Confronting Our Saltiest Hater

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sorry so discussed

was up everybody in the infrared show infrared gang in the chad

i can't name use too many of you in the chat i can't go off to listen name all of you

guys what's up

was sob guys yesterday was fuck and hell man

writing that paper and shit im i tell you a story too

we got some ship line up we got some drama you know i'm saying

we got some drama for today

let me ask you a question guys

who the folk do you think

today's stdream is about

go ahead and guess in the chat who's about

guess cause you don't know's about i seen you guys

guessing was about

and everyone's been getting it wrong so what is this dream about guys let's see

what is the stream about

whom is the stream about right

let me tell you gt something

me let me just do a little analysis

what of jennifer

let me do a little analysis for you guys

about why i personally m has

not even the rest of the infrared gang but mejaz personally

why do i trigger

soy's a little bitch i know therese three dislikes i know every single one is disliking us

you understand it's ok keep it coming ten more dislikes you know i'm saying

there's enough of them

you guys want to know why they hate hars so much

because intellectuals and nerds

for them they're live in a mental safe space and they think they can domesticate reality according to the terms of their safe space

and me has i get right to the chicks you understand i don't consult

their little voice in their mental safeespace head i don't speak like them i don't speak their language i don't use words correctly and technically i don't i'm not initiated in this nerd speak in this pathologically cultural way of expression and and being technically correct just be just a virtue signal it's all form of virtue signaling by the way they falk can't

dan me for that fuckin reason y understand they really fucking have a problem with me

has they falking hate it because they see in me

violence you understand i am like a gorilla it is violence because even though i know more than them and i do know more than them in any concrete manifestation any trial in which we can prove that it will be proven

i've invited them to come on they don't want to come on i'll go on their stream if they want me to go on their stream or if they want they can try

and tyighte me a little paper and i'll respond to them in text it doesn't falking matter what the medium is i will always dominate these nerds i am objectively more knowledgeable than they are knowledgeable people are not arrogant smart people are not arrogant these falking nerds are arrogant because they hide behind the skirt of legitimated language legitimated institutions

ans and they fear haz and i make them tremble in their falking

skirt

sorry it's massages

has ha himself listen guys this iss some guys and say some guys

ill tell you some guys

let me tell you guess i'm biased against reason

fuk reason you know i'm saying i hear when that fuck that reason tipe bullshit man european reason can suck my dick man one that bigger reason time you know i'm saying reason goes deeper then we wt to be reasonable me listen i'm a falking human being and i'm sick of these foking nerds crucifying humanity looking down upon humanity looking down upon real people real breathing

living falking people in the name of that the're reasonable i'm so reasonable no you're in a little mental safe space and you hide yourself from reality you cower behind intellectualism because you're too scared to face the cold concrete reality of another fok in human being lis b sorry i'm having too much fun

they do fear has they do fear me

they do fear me i swear to god they fear me

they fay they have so much fear

so much fear for me and it is like w w e let me tell you guys the plain truth

the plain debased truth for all you intellectuals out there you know about the base materialism that we're talking about shut out georgie battai we're talking about that base materialistic truth which is the fact that all of their reason and all of their intellectualism is down stream from vulgarity

but it's like you cannot intellectualize your way out of the fact that your girl is getting piped in the next bucking room you can tell yourself any fucking story you want theoretically terms but the cold raw and brutal truth is there and every fucking person can see it intellectualism they think it's a cop out from reality hoses here

too violently force them back into that reality they're hiding

behind

listen guys

i love being vulgar i know i look like an ass right now i know i look ridiculous but for me

it's a form of domination over the nerds because i can be this ridiculous and still have this confidence

ya bits i am fkin dooin it

what are you going to do about it i'm doing it

i am

it is like i am dominating them on the astral plane right now they're seething so hard seeing me have so much fun

getting into character

and enjoying this

and entertaining the audience

and they're seething they're seething they're so mad about it

and i'm it it's just like it's so much fun

it's almost like i am

i am the joker if you the joker was like king kong and the joker combined

that is what i'm like right now you know what i'm saying

they are

seething seething seething and i take

pleasure nerds nerds nerds i see you nerds i see you behind the keyboard nerds weirl winning infrarez winning

that's the truth to this world that's the truth to this world you bitch as people are downstream i tried to be polite

you don't want to be polite you don't want to be respectful you want to just come at me and attack me from your nerd bulshit and say has doesn't know what he's talking about has doesn't know anything

in the funniest part

is that any any arena we can prove it i know more than you

one hundred percent i do

one hundred percent i know more

then you

nerds and i'm not naming them yet

we're not even getting in that

yup and theen's got it

nel water

a little beach from lefty pool

let me tell you guys something about antonio wolf

the biggest cock of my week

which is an accomplishment by the way cause there are many seething cocks

we have to come into contact you antonio beechwolf

was a gylt from lefty fol

just like you guys

but here's the thing that i've noticed on the internet with these internet intellectuals they go on image boards where people are just fucking around having some fun ship posting it was never my forte but i understand people just want to go on these image boards and fuck around a little bit right they just fuck around a little bit and it's that appeals to the least common denominator of fun base fun and then they build their entire intellectual ego

based on contrasting themselves to that and it makes them feel so smart and so superior they literally built in air heeaded romantic ego of self assured superiority and intellectualism jester you were supposed to hear for the pre show say you're the pre show jester

time is beitch us out

for spamming don't spam again little bitch

anyway

you're the pre show esture sage you're not the post show jesture ok

jesus get it right

listen listen

i even forgot what i was going to fuck and say

what the focus i am talking about i got two hours of sleep last night guys i i was typing a huge paper last night i was getting distracted i tt it you know i'm saying

here's the truth

here's the truth

here's the truth

these little some mad timers bitch us out

these little fucking bitches these intellectual bitches you know i'm saying

i'm sorry guys

but intellectuals are cocks

in twenty twenty one intellectuals are cox i'm sorry and here's something i want to get into as well

i forgot i was going to say earlier it's going to come back to me

you know i didn't prepare for this dream i don't prepare for i don't have time to prepare

when i do this kind of shit

nold water antonio bitch ask wh yaa the leftiput thing these people they go on these image boards and they get a sense of ego and they get a sense of self confidence just by contrasting themselves to the casual and laid back atmosphere on those websites so on those websites everyone's always joking around everyone's always being ironic everybody's always telling jokes cracking jokes having some fun

and then they

they acquire this demeanor of seriousness oh they're serious people and the more

people are red you know acting ridiculous and acting internet trolls right they that more that fuels their they can contrast themselves that it fuels their own sense of self serious

and self su feeling of superiority theyre fucking ego it fuels their fucking i'm so much better than these simpletons i'm so much better no bitch ain'to water antonio bitchwolf you are a little bitch from leftypole you are nothing more than an anon you're not an intellectual you're pretentious as little bitch because you don't have a sense of humour because you're a little bitch you could

it's like you feel like you is a serious guy and you're so you so intelligent and articulate because i'm not like those tralls from where i came from yeah compared to them it might seem at first glance that you're smart i read your shittoh you're not fucking smart you're in sort of ok let me give you we to back and for i get to it let me go b back w

what happened

what

what

what brought this on ha what brought this on

so has mine his own business right most of the time as mine is own business

right but look what happened

look what happened

so let's go to explore

we going to explore

ok so ginje tags me in something

gentle ginjy

i'm mind of my business ginjy tags me some i say what's going on

what's going on

so gingje

had a live show

intu the dialectics

that was our insort of dialect this thing by the way which is all off the top of my head

by the way by the way and which i had my audience in mind i actually had my fucking audience in mind i didn't say let me just throw things at you and to hell of you if you don't get it i have my audience in mind i'm trying to think about what what associations am i conjuring up for my audience how do i allow them to

maybe have a minimal minimal sense of what dialectics are a minimal sense of what they are no not what they are scholastically not what they are theoretically antonio bitch not what they are philosophically and formally but what they actually falking are objectively that's what i wanted to give my falking audience ok

look what happened

look what this lowle bitch did

you see

hyperion

with this pretentious as fucking name and dumbs profile an ironic profile picture because these the le antonio bitch antonio bitch and his friends

they're living in an attention economy internet age world right and to contrast themselves to that world they're literally like hancap insels who dress up like slave owners almost like nathan robinson does they have this aesthetic of being nineteenth century romantic aristocrats

right because hegel was from the nineteenth century and they'd get this sense of self assured superiority over the whole ship posting internet and all of the vulgar barbarians cause antonio called me a barbarian beuse that's much of a pucking pussy he is and don't worry we're not even scratching the surface with antonio so far

so far

and you know what he's tempted me if i want to make a written response to his intro the dialectics i might fuck and do it

but i probably don't have time but i might fuck and do it

god help him if that bitch wants to challenge me

god help him if he wants to challenge me

with something written antonio you haven't seen how i write little bitch i make you fuck and cry tears of blood

my fock and ridings

but anyway

this what a pretentious low bitch this guy is

so he just shares my stream hyperion

there is already an exhaustive explanation of dialectics that takes much less time to read and isn'tpeppered with bad propaganda like lucax' was a sacdam

i said lucox was a western social democrat and that was his fucking background he was theoretically speaking a western social democrat because neo contiunism was the ediological arm of social democracy if you don't fuck you know that you're fucking idiot and if you don't know how lucax was a contient and we'll get to that by the way you're so much of a fucking idiot that you don't even have a base familiarity with the academic

c scene who do categorize him that way all of these fucking geleans are justes dick writers jesus the one who maakes the biggest point of

of stressing that western marxism beginning with lucox is transcendentalism it is fucking contiunism you stupid bitch and yet they made a video trying to mock me we're going to to watch the video later don't worry we're going to watch the video later

so

these five hour live sreams that explain nothing should not be tolerated ok guys everyone leave hyperion says they shouldn't be tolerated he's not tolerating it anymore this stream must be shut down ok you know what he said he's not tolerating it i'm sorry guys i'm sorry he just said he's not tolerating it

so i guess that's a rap

oh wait who gives a fuck what that bitch as guy thinks what who are you to say the shouldn't be tolerated or not h who you going to who you're going to tolerate i'll give a fuck if you tolerate little bitch and by the way regarding

what is sage saying i don't go fuck i don't have time with you right now

fucking gollum i'm dealing with the white work right now i'm doal i'll do with goalum later

listen

listen

listen

these five hours dreams

i don't expect anybody to watch them from beginning to end

they last so long so enough people based on their own schedule have an opportunity to tune in for the average in our our metrics tell us that the average is about twenty to forty minutes

and that's completely reasonable or even less is reasonable five to ten minutes that's completely fine we're respectful of people' schedule we have these streams last so long so enough people can tune in you don't know anything about live streaming you and yes live streaming is a fucking thing it's a huge phenomenon on our society it's probably the most advanced form of communications media when it comes to direct

interactions between

personalities and thinkers and people and some kind of audience

you're just fucking trying to have this nineteenth century aesthetic scorning and spitting upon the world while pretending to be a hegelian doing the most anti hegelian

fucking posturing cringe larp bullshit possible you're fucking no different than people who wear red guard costumes and spit upon the world you're just wearing a nineteenth century aristocrat costume just like antonio wolf

and he looks like a little bitch right here he looks like he's trying to have that romantic look

like a nineteenth century n it all superior aristocrat you a superior to shit

my toe is more superior to you bitch

you're not superior to nobody in this world antonio nobody you have no superiority whatsoever

no superiority whatsoever

but okay

but ok

i

i was curious

why would someone

why would someone

actually

compare a live stream

to a written introduction

i could have given you guys a thousand introductions

to hegelian dialectic but that's not why people go on you tube or watch live streams to try to learn something it's actually not why they fuckingt do it they do it because those writings you're linking aren't doing it for them you understand

and this is just about and you want to compare it to my stream especially this is just about

the citiest

fucking introduction to dialectics i've ever fucking red

i've ever falking red

you're fucking pseudo intellectual idiot this is not an introduction this is not an introduction to a layman this is not an introduction to an audience

this is not actually introducing anyone to dialectics it's introducing people to your supposed ability to be able to master hegel's thinking that's all it's introducing them to it's not you're actually teaching people anything they're not learning anything you're just engaging in intellectual selfturbation

has is a self hating anglo

if he doesn't like anglolan why doesn't he use social media

yeah exactly pussy what the fuck are you talking about because i use social media the internet is literally slits the throat

of anglo supremacy

so suck my dick that's why fuck and adam curtis and black ameor are fear my on my god the smartphones of the internet i bet skin it and i love it i love our new brave new world i am for our brave new world i want to plunge

head first into this brave new world i'm with this brave new world

don't fucking talk to me about how social media is anglo

you stupid fuck

anyway

anyway

this introduction sucks dick it sucks dick and he told me

we're going to get into it he said i should write him a response or explain to him why this is wrong you little bitch i'm not your professor i'm not here to tell you it's wrong by some standard and on some terms it's not really wrong even though i do think you do get some things wrong

and maybe i will point those out

but

the main thing it's not actually important whether it's right or wrong

all that is is a question that's an academic passor fil mentality question i don't think in those terms antonio you fucking cocksucker i don't fucking think in those terms i'm thinking is this a good introduction and it's not it's just not a good introduction and a lot of hegel has

is left to be desired

this is a fucking contian soyboy introduction to hagel

and let me just point out one thing i just skimmed this ten minutes before the stream to remind myself why i didn't like this bullshit

and where is it

he first of all he makes a distinction between the dialectriical method

and the dialectical development a completely arbitrary fucking distinction that is nowhere to be found in hegel himself as far as i know maybe you can find a sentence or a paragraph where hegel directly says that the dialectical method is different different from the imminent dialectical development in actual reality but as far as i'm concerned that's a kantian distinction and it's also a kantian dog whistle even if it is technically true

direct in his direct way as far as hegel is concerned although that's not my understanding of hegel my understanding of hegel is that hegel in his introduction to the phenomenology of spirit

precisely wants to get rid of this bullshit distinction

between

us and in itself for us and in itself

so you're just reap you're giving a little dog whistle wink wink to scientists and to

anglo nerds and analytics

telling them oh don't worry there are no there are no revolutionary and

and ground breaking

insights

and consequences of hagel's dialectic

it's basically when it comes to natural reality when it comes to the natural world

it's all truism it's all truism and this fucking idiot

who by the way hyperion said that this was an example of better introduction to dialectics

he didn't mention anything about fucking dialectics as something objective he made a hard distinction

between dialectics

within the sphere of the

language contradiction right

and this sphere of concepts conceptual all that kind of stuff and some kind of move the truism that there's movement and life and reality oh trees reproduce themselves plants reproduce themselves this is all the truism in today's what what did he say he said two hundred years ago this might have been breathtaking

but in to day's world it's self evident know what fucking isn't you fucking idiot and this isn't actually the point by the way

the tree is not just the tree but the entire life cycle of its species

this is the relationship between particularly and universality when hegel says for example that the rose is red he is actually saying

that it is red like the redness is that rose rose is what red is there's no abstract idle red that some form dwelling in the fucking either redness only exists in so far as it finds concrete manifestation by the example of a rose the rose is red so it's the dialectic of

universality and particularity as mediated through the end of individuality

that my friend antonio wolf

is not common in our fucking day in our day

the the equivalence of the universality with the particular is still to this fucking day an extremely extremely controversial thing to say and just go try argue with analytic people actually have balls to fucking really carry hagel on your shoulders while you're doing it and you'll see that they're going to tell you your ski so just like how you're telling me they're going to tell you you're fucking crazy just like you fucking tell me

ok it is a fucking kind of crazy thing to say that the universal is the particular which is the point of this whole fucking sentence not the truism that there are life cycles and that mountains come and go and that the world could come to be and cease to be you're a fucking little bitch you're trying to fuck and sanitize hegel so the fucking whole point just becomes a truism oh hegels not actually saying anything controversial guys

please please hegle he's just he's just he's just making he just bolstering our own couck like mean stablishment status quo mentality should the fuck up you mickey mouse little as bitch

so yeah that's my critique and i this is all i'm going to fuck and give you but you don't even deserve a critique from me by the way you stupid fuck

and the idea that this is the dialectic by the way

the idea that this is the dialectic is so fucking stupid it's mind boggling don't you understand that the point of the dialectic means

that the contradiction is objective yes unlike what you were trying to say the contradiction is itself what is real

for hagel

in and not the contradiction

insofar as we're just referring to

the

con the contradiction that's inevitably imposed upon

our commitment to concepts when compared to the actual movement of reality

but speaking in terms of contradiction itself attests to a deeper and objective difference difference proper to being itself

those are the stakes of hegel shit

see what fucking does happens when i deal with dumb shit all the time

sorry guys

oh my god

fuck and water spilled the ship

so yeah this is a shitty introduction

because

let me give you a simple thing leonardo

you're speaking too much in this introduction

when we are talking about dialectics we want to ask a simple question

why is there a dialectic in the first place what is that referring to

it's referring to a contradiction so how do you spell out that contradiction in a way that's intuitively sensible to people so it's a real falking introduction you never ever give us in this fuking introduction why it is from a concrete and falli go centric perspective as you put it which is a code word for anything that isn't a little princing pussy who dances around the fucking main point why should we give a fuck about

dialectics what is the point i don't care about all this abstract bullshit this schoolastic bullshit this abstract intellectualis it well according to diction no you can't just run away with it by just spouting truism's ok

yeah it's pure conti and sanitization

it's focking pathetic

antonio let me ask you a question let me ask you a simple fucking question at what point in this do you actually make clear what the dialectic is

what the dialectic is all you've done is apologize for the fact that there's oh we need a dialecticight but you never actually told us what it fucking is in hegel's introduction to the phenomenology of right thu'h make me fucking pull it up he's the one of the first fucking paragraphs is basically

what is it philosophy concerns itself with what is something like that i'm butchering it it's something like that he was very clear about it it's about what is so if you want to introduce people to what dialectics is what the fuck is it what is dialectics so far you're dancing and prancing around and i challenge anybody in my fucking chat all of you in my chat go read this and come back to me and tell me you've learned something

and i promise you the majority wouldn't have learned a fucking thing from this why because this is made for people who either are already committed to the to the false pretense of feeling superior to everybody already and has puffed up their ego as the some kind of nineteenth century aesthetician

intellectual

this is already made for pretentious people and people who already understand this i understood your fucking introduction it was crystal clear i also understand that behind all of these little introductions there's little dog whistles about who you're siding with in the class struggle in theory and you're siding with the soy boy conti and cox that's the fucking truth antonio because all you fucking done in so many wors

words in so many words is apologize for hagl and you try to reconcile him

with the status quo establishment thinking

he disavowed izak

i know but these are all gives gijak is the one who inspired all of these people

to be intellectuals and it's fucking pathetic i know for a fact antonio came from g because he came from lefty pole lefty pol loves popular thinkers like eventually they're going to love has most of the are going to love has

because everything is downstream from popularity antonio you little bitch you're fucking living proof that everything is downstream from animalistic vularity you came from there's a reason you came from because hee fuking vulgar he's not fucking you tube and he's out there he's not a little bitch hiding by his fucking blog anden gaging in intellectual self masturbation let me tell you another thing antonio you little bitch

let me tell you another fucking thing i have my own blog too and i myself engage in intellectual masturbation i do but i do it for myself i do it just to prove to myself that i can create some kind of object i can create some kind of story i can create some kind of dialectic and it's out there and i can return to it and it will replenish my memory and my deeper sense of my own

position but holistic general position i have blogs where i do this kind of shit but not for a fucking second antonio do i pretend

that the audience is going to be able to understand what i'm talking about it's for me it's for me to remember and refresh my own memory because words

antonio let me teach you something about pedagogy right if i may be saying that wrong let me teach you something about this antonio

people have associations with words definite associations with words your association with the word is different from my association so when you read my shit if you ever so happen to stumble upon it which you probably won't because you're too fuck and stupid to put two and two together you would never fuck con fine my real blog little bitch you would never because you col never accept that has could be the creator of that blog because you don't understand how there's a unity of o

the vulgar dumb as brain letags according to you also corresponds to a blog with more fucking profundity

than this bullshit combined

let me tell you something though when you claiming to create an introduction and you want to help people learn shit

you have to stoop to their level and deal with the associations that are on their fucking level in my introduction to dialectics there's a reason why i used m s paint and there's a reason why i began with very crude distinctions that are intuitively sensible to everyone everyone such as metaphysical dualism such as the difference between people in nature such as the difference between different people engaged in a dialogue i wanted to establish a sense

of a minimal objective difference that's where i was fucking coming from because i knew that the people in the fucking chat in the people in the fucking audience would be able to understand that but they're not going to be able to understand a single fucking word of this this is not and in any way sensible to a layman but let me drop right now the whole fucking

the whole fucking red pill about you tube education and someone's got to say this shit people nowadays aren't actually looking to be really educated or really learn anything

there's

a speaker a presenter a teacher and there's an audience

what is the audience concerned with is it this that what the speaker is saying no it's the third thing

the third thing

an audience wants to know

what the speaker is talking about from the perspective of

the big other not to use lakenian bullshit language

from the perspective of

some kind of discourse that's already established what people want to know is who is talking about this that's why people ask us to no fault of their own

to recommend them readings they want to know where we getting this from because they want to know who is talking about this already but the problem in our technocratic society and our silicon valley society antonio you little bitch the fucking problem with that is it's a metinumi i'm going to mispronounce that it's a metinumi everything just becomes

one fucking equivalence

right and at no point is there any room for any novelty

at no point is there any room for any novelty because everything becomes self referential everything just becomes academic citing themselves at no point is there any fucking room for novelty you impress people because you put words together in a way that can easily be traced to discourses that are established and that exactly exist right now and i'm not just talking about in terms of content i'm talking about in terms of form

your example of the unity of being and nothingness for example is a classic every fucking introduction to hegel talks about that the unity of being and nothingness and becoming

that's the that's a classic so when someone reads they can say oh i know what antonio was talking about it's that thing i already read on wikipedia because you're doing you're formalistically repeating what others have said in a barely new way

right

where infrared is coming from

we're talking about the deeper essence of things

at the expense of the way people are talking about them we preserve content at the expense of the established forms that's why we trigger so many people and that's why

the hegelian by the way antonio is a hegelian

created a video

or someone created a video i don't fuck a know who that was supposedly meant to mock us in infrared hold your laughter guys it's really funny

it's a really funny video

this was an excerpt from me and a talk between me and ganje

these cocks left of wreckage how old is the channel

they're at least three years old and they only have four hundred sixty nine subs

um

good luck guys i would have quit by then if after three years i only have this many sobs i would have quit

i would have quit

we infrared gained

we gain like three hundred subs in a month

so yeah good luck guys

but

but everyone's wrong and you're right just because everyone stupid right i don't even say that about wash's audience by the way i think washs audience is just misled

but they're not all right if its clearly wasoh is doing something right

right he's doing something right

so i always respect my enemies if my enemies actually have power of some kind

right this you would take

you would do well to learn from that she wouldn't be such a fucking loser all the time in life and that's what you fucking are as a loser andly go out and mock your bitch az voice

just for the sake of it

the novels and i want to read him

because a people sa these are the people who talk so much shit to us and they sound like this

i just want to know where they get it from

they their decided

and i don't know if they're worse i do't mean you little bitch you want to you want to mock us and talk so much shit to us and yet you sound like that

i'm sorry yes it's idiocrisy but it's true vulgarity' is true there's a reason why little bitches sound like that

ok

lucax was a ktian and heydeger was a true marxist

first of all i never fucking said hider go was a true marxist i've always said that things like marxism are on the surface clearly hider go was in a fucking marxist

because he didn't say he was a marxist and he wasn't dealing with it marxism on an explicit way i never said he was a true fucking marxist all i said was that hideers revolution and thought opened up the ability to actually appreciate

conceptually and theoretically

the significance of the october revolution and this new phenomenon called bolshevism so yes

marxism after bos ofvism the way marxism was specifically reinvented and rediscovered by lenin

i claim that heideger allows us to appreciate the significance of the october revolution the history of the bolshevik party from its inception

all the way to the point of seizing power through the stalin revolution heideger is the thinker that

that allows us to appreciate that

and by the way i never have to say they are a true marxist because i don't consider marxism an essence marxism is a surface it's on the surface the object of marxism and the object of heidegger and the object of the borlsheviks and hell even the object of lucax and the contients and every fucking person who has ever lived i argue is the same fucking thing they're just giving expression to this object in a different way and heydegers specifically is doing this

for bosivism hidegers object as expressed in thought corresponds to bosivism as an actual reality is not an impossible paradox how could it be the contrariesw could it be that apparent contraries could be shown to have deeper associations im such a boken i'm such a foking to gm that i can't fok and except the fact that appearent contraries can have deeper associations w it so ironic yeah you're just a fucking row

romantic ironist

who hegel spent a good part of his focking life sitting on

you that fucking guy and you schlegel or whatever that fucking guy was called you that fucking bitch

yes this is ironic but i know i paid no attention to the irony

i paid no fucking int attention to the irony i didn't care about the fact that this is ironic i irony is superfluous to me the fact that there's contradictions in reality and ironies that's superfluous to me because i'm focused on concrete objective unity of opposites i'm focused on the concrete and objective reconciliation i don't dwell in ironies like you you little bitch you and your intellectualist little arrogant as

its friends who by the way it's past us at this point they will never debate me

they will never confront me on any falking level because they're pussies and they're scared of has they are even though i said

if we're going to have a debate as long as you don't call me names i already called you names you deserve it

those your common names

we i'm not going to scream yell at you i told them that but they don't care they want to keep making excuses

you want to keep making excuses

but anyway lucox's being a contian is such commonplace knowledge even in academic circles that the idea that this is some ridiculous and absurd thing to mock

in a forty second

unfunny video which just reveals how much of a cuck you are just shows that and you're supposedly a guy who knows about all of this right you you claim to know about hegel and you claim

to profess knowledge of

butti and walter benjamin and fannon

you're such a smart guy even ilyankov wow that's even surprising

and yet you don't know the common sense established fact that western marxism begins with lucax's seminal rejection of engels's

ah meta metaphysical enthusiasm in relation to nature

effectively reducing marxism to the sphere of socially mediated transcendental reality

you fucking dumb ass lucax was a fucking contient

that's fucking common knowledgy little pitch and you want to fucking mock me about that you look like a fucking idiot you sound like a fucking idiot you fucking dumb ass and yet everyone go downvote this dumb shit

i'm going to link it in the fuck and chat if you support infrared download this bit jaz video to give them a fucking show of power

downloade this fuck in video

down vote this falk and shit

down vote this shit just to show them send them a message

that infrared cannot be stopped

so downlvoade that fucking video

downvoate that fucking video

but anyway

i don't care if it helps the algorithm i don't care let it blow up

all attention is good attention it's ok if it helps al go

okay

we're going to watch the video

we're going to see what i said

lucox was actually very much a western social democrat yet in context he was an intellectual arm of elaboration of western

neo contianism social democracy yes reacting to bossm yes yes in thought in term and by the way i forgot to get to this the fact

the fact you fucking idiot

that there can be different expressions of what is the same thing is literally the point of

max himself max is the one who said that what germany was doing in thought was happening in actuality in france politically and what was happening in france politically was happening in england in terms of

political economy

that's marx that's basic marxism

so when i'm saying hydroger was giving expression to bolshevism in thought

that's like saying hegel was giving expression to the french revolution in thought

which is actually a fucking mark said you dumb pitch you fucking idiot you stupid fuck

i were hiding and that some somehow some kind of fucking shocking thing you have to mock

but let me see the sense of humour

you i notice only nerd cocks use this adult swim meam format

because this guy is their inner self this is what they look like this is their own soul this is literally what this guy probably looks like this is who he is in a fundamental and visceral level

this is the soul of this fucking guy this fucking mocking smug ls

who's like ah you an't know what you're talking about

you didn't say it correctly you didn't cite your sources you didn't put it in terms i'm already familiar with and if i'm not familiar with the way you're putting it in my already established academic circle jerk intellectual masturbation it must be completely meaningless how dare you associate concepts in words in ways i'm unfamiliar with that must mean there's no deeper meaning behind the associations you're making whatsoever it's all fucking meaningless and there's no point

to anything you're fucking saying

listen

listen

we are far more interesting from an intellectual perspective than anything left of wreckage you will ever say or put out

in the entire fucking history and entire fucking

lifespan

in your entire fucking lifeespan you will never say something more interesting than infaret you too antonio bitch you fucking pretentious fuck who gives a fuck that you have rudimentary scholastic academicicized knowledge of hegel every other fucking idiot i know has that kind of fucking knowledge i've been on this fucking time when i was in high school i had more knowledge of hagel than you little bitch that's spposed to fuck and impress me

supposed to fuck and impress me

left of wreckage a bunch of beitches

heideger and other german conservative yeahllectuals inadvertently so

so you saying i'm inadvertently as some kind of crazy outlandersh pothad type of thing to say that isn't that what lennin and marx were saying about what was happening in german idealism in relation to the political events of the time isn't that what they fucking said already you stupid fuck you stupid fucking idiot

we're giving expression to what

i might make a video response i'm not going to debate someone

so irate immature and ignorant make a video fucking response hyperion i will never surrender i will never let you get your last draw you want to make a fucking video i'll make a video fucking response too so make a fucking video response hyperion go ahead and fuck and make it you pussy you little bitch go make a fucking video response

and i'm not even done with you guys yet

we're just watching this video right now i'm not even done with you guys yet

you little bitch you come at me

like a fucking pussy

make a fucking video response do it bitch

keep giving us attention

the entire

him is just getting triggered at means is that the case ihy per on youre fucking liar i only fucking put pulled this up what ten minutes ago you little bitch how long is the stream going on guys for what proportion of the stream have i been watching this video you dumb fuck just making shit up i thought you're supposed to be all technical and you're supposed to be all correct and you're supposed to be all oh well well well you actually can't read because you didn't put it in the exact terms that i said

so you a completely illiterate you're barbarian and capable of rational thought you're a fucking liar i am not getting triggered at means you fucking idiot i'm getting triggered at the sum total of you and antonio's engagement with infrared but at the end of the day

at the end of this triggeredness at the end of this triggeredness i am falking energetic

happy and i feel powerful because i will dominate you to the end i will make sure that vulgarity wins i will make the nerd i will break the back of the nerd like baine breaks batman's back i will crush the fucking nerd intellectual and make sure they remember who's in charge the people are in charge the vulgarity's in charge

the barbarians are in charge

the barbarians are in charge a little pitch

bury the scholars bury the fucking scholars like genghis khan

note this record this all the cok scribes all the cok scribes record this has said that gangs khan was a true marxist

if you knew the fuking shit i think

you it would blow your fucking mindus shoitl i say you'd be like oh has thinks that the prophet muhammed was a marxist has thinks that gengis khan was a marxist has thinks that yes dude everything is fucking connected it's just that marxism isn't its own essence marxism itself is something on the fucking surface you dumb ass and by the way hyperion

by the way hyperion you're saying i'm doing nothing but trolling

and you know for a fact that i have substantially responded to all of your guyss fucking points and everything you fucking said but instead you ignore the substantitive point

you ignore the fucking substantis point

and you just go to the fact that i'm triggered or he's a barbarian he's yelling he's screeching like a monkey oh im antonio i lick the ass of white angles and haws is a hairy arab he's a monkey because the white angles told me i'm superior than the rest to the rest of the fuck in the rest of the sub humans so they favor me even though i'm not even white myself but has is a fucking hairy arab and i'm superior to him because some fucking white guy gave me validation little pussy little

bits

little fucking bitch antonio they do treat me like this because i'm arab they do they hate to see a hairy arab guy screaming and yelling like king kong who who at the same time can back it up with actual knowledge and a deeper grasp of the theory they fuck and hate to see this shit this is literally ant colonialism and action they literally see the subaltern anti colonial brown hordes overtaking

the fucking universities

tremble in the fogking

shoes they tremble

little bitch

little fucky beitch

exactly i am a barbarian

i'm a barbarian

i am a barbarian i know he was trolling me hyperion but his trolling rested on a house of fucking cards he was in no fucking position to troll me ever

was going on with bulls ofvism but we're too stupid to see that it was bollss this may be a new point guys but

i would love to see any one argue that this is an absurd point this might be a point you haven't heard before but how is this fucking point absurd how is this a fucking absurd point you may not be familiar with it it may be new but how is it absurd i think it's a very interesting and reasonable point to make that yes the german conservative revolution thinkers

and most especially heideger it actually applies more to the soviet union when you actually think about it than the fake version which was nazism and that type of irony is perfectly dialectical and makes perfect fucking dialectical sense why that would be the case it makes perfect sense i want to know what's so absurd about this thing that you just haven't heard before because your professor di fuck and tell you about it you known't learn about it a fuking university so apparently

it's so fucking absurd that you you can't wrap your fucking mind around the possibility that concepts can appear to have association even though they're apparent contraries w oh my god i'm going to mock that it's so absurd

what a fucking idiot

and you're projecting yet everyone on left youpol says projection and i already gave made a fuck an ms paint

about the meaning of people who say projection by the way it's the laziest fuck in response you could do it's literally just saying no you

no you

that's the meaning of saying projection

know you

simple version of

pretentious cock

your

projection

king

yes temujin was a marxist attila the hun was a marxist the manchu was a marxist how about you fucking go make a video mocking me saying that

don't don't don't

don't time him out

don't time them out

only time people out if they spam

if you're not an angle come a cock under the video

okay cork

i did see

and they opted for the fake version which was nazism but that's another story how is this absurd i want to know how this is absurd

can someone exp fill me in about why this is so absurd oh he' is mocking me because i was playing games last stream

at the end of the stream when we chill out

i

i'm probably going to play more games later later tonight

by the way guys be i can play games now i don't get a new p c but there's some games i can play

are you checking stline but n

i didn't say anything about nozbls and limano youfoug and i know this dumb mean that only fringe intellectuals know about

it's not a fucking funny adam curtis mean adam curtis fucking sucks suck my fuking dick adam curtis

intellectuals are the first ones to run and hide like kotski when the working class gets serious and run to the establishment that these savage workers are vulgar

ain't that the fuckin truth

ain't that the fuckin truth

ain't that the fucking truth

pinning your comment

ain't that the fuckin truth

what a cock dude what a fucking cock

but let me get to the main point

finally this is going to be much shorter then we're going to drop this and we're going to go to the ready

finally

you cock

i made this tweet

and they basically said that it's my job to debunk

antonio bitchwolf

he said

okay

and what am i trying

son will you not reply to my digital book so he made it seem like he wrote a book in response to my foking my live stream for a fifty viewer audience who i am familiar with and he wrote a whole book in response to that i didn't make a fucking polemic you dumb ass please make a book in response to infrared and i'll make you feel aw funcking stupid you are in text format i that's what you really want you little bitch please make a fucking book

responding to our stream what a cock thing to do what kind of cock writes a book in response to a stream

are you that much of a pussy to just come on and by the way guys gin jeet spent literally hours last night harassing this guy to just come on and debate i even told conje je come on man it's not going to work gin jet

was so shocked

that this guy was such a couck such a little bitch

that after all this pretension he still want to come on our stream

it's incredible yeah they do they do think they're like seventeenth

sorry eighteenth century slave owners they do

and he said he said

he said he answered my stream

long before encountering it

he made a very deep intellectual point

he said his book response to my ream

but it responded to it from the past in time

you see guys when i make intellectual points i do sound kinda deep too deep for me i know i do i say i'm provocative but when it comes to concrete business in relation to other human beings i never say shit like that i never beat arround the bush if i say i responded to you say you responded to me don't bluff and say you responded to me

inadvertently

you can't prove you did prove you fuking did it the burden of proof is on you you came to me saying

i wrote a book responding to you i said

why should i believe that and then you said it's up to me to de disprove a negative it's up to you bitch it's up to you to prove how it's fuckin relevant to me i told you your intro fuckin sucked and then you told me i have to prove why i don't have to fuck and prove anything actually you came to me with that intro saying it's better than mine i wasn't impressed by your intro it's the end of the story

you told me to read your intro to learn i din't learn anything i just learned you're a fucking idiot antonio i didn't learn anything from your intro i learned you're an idiot in your little bitch is what i fuck and learned

from that introal

from that intro

i didn't fuck and learn anything from it

oka i didn't learn anything from it you were the one acting like a teacher to me

and i was telling you that some one who knows more than you

and you want to call my bluff call it however you fuckin want

any arena any gladiator fight any debate whatever you want

i will show you how stupid you are i will make you feel how stupid you falking are i will end your fucking career antonio i will end your fucking career you little bitch

let's see this cock

antonio wolf

let's see this little bitch this is the guy who talks all this shit

this is the guy who talks all this shit

this guy a guy who talks all that shit

all that shit

all that shit

pretentious doesn't mean what you think it means

ok in a dictionary written in the sixteenth century

where the definition of pretentious contradicts my everyday in ordinary use of it

maybe i'm wrong

but is that how humans communicate you falking pretentious cock

is you know what i was trying to fucking say when i called you pretentious you're a fuckin

you blow hot air you pretend to be a smart intellectual you bite more than you can chew or maybe bite more than you can chew is wrong technically because you're not actually biting and chewing anything empirically so we just can't use fucking words at all no more words chat

no more fucking words at all because every fucking word can be traced to an etymological meaning

from the seventh century b c that probably contradicts the everyday use of the fucking word today so no more words in general chat sorry guys

sorry we can't use words anymore

antonio said some shit and i was like

i was like antonio we're growing and you're going to be forgotten that's the difference and he said

we will all be forgotten i don't care about things such as popularity

but you sound like a cock and not a hegelian a hegelian would say you have to prove the truth of your position by concrete means for hegel spirit and geist is suppra individual it's not individual with their head up their own fucking ass for hegel the state is the concrete manifestion

manifestation of geist

and spirit

for hegel the measure and truth of spirit is measured actually concretely proven in things like fucking war in things like war the spilling of blood antonio the spilling of blood proves

proves the abstract bullshit hegel's dealing with that's where you put your fucking money where your mouth is read what hegel wrote about war antonio read what he wrote about war why am i bringing war into this because

some kind of vulgar manifestation and concrete reality is the only measure of the concrete and determinate nature of your abstract position you can't just fucking say

who cares if i'm forgotten it's all eterny this is an undalectical notion of eternity

antonio for hegel

for hegel eternity only exists in a finite instantiation eternity only manifests itself

in contradiction with viinitude

there's no abstract eternity there's no fucking bluffing position of oh well it's all the same because we're all going to die anyway no antonio and here's the worst part of o antonio if you were to stick to yourself on your own turf

and i was the one coming at you offensively you'd be right you'd be right

you undersan right but you're the one antonio who shot the first bullet who came to us shitting on us you were making a fucking gesture throwing a fucking stone in the pond of the sea of internet digital age popularity that you scorn and detest and you're so above because you're above the attention economy antonio you're nineteenth century aristocrat you're nineteenth century true gentleman like elliott roger you're not a

you're not getting your hands dirty in this dirty attention economy like these gaming streamers you're better on they're better than them all you're above them all antonio you're above them fucking all your dud noses in the fucking clouds but here's a difference antonio

only your fucking nose is in the clouds your fucking head is out here on the dirt with us

your head is in the dirt with us the only thing in the clouds is your fucking nose hegl's head was in the clouds

hegls fucking head was in the clouds the only thing in the clouds antonio for you is your fucking nose you smelling the fucking clouds it's all you're fucking doing

and even then you can't escape the stench of your own shit

you fucking pussy

he said i'm above it all i'm above it all no one's falcking above it all

no one is fucking above it all no one is fucking above it all the truth of your position is measured in terms of popularity popularity is what fucking matters

not for us antonio here's the difference only abstractly does it not matter i wasn't public for many many years years and years and years antonio years and years and years i didn't make any attempt to outreach to any type of audience my blog

my blog wasn't private

but i never advertised it

i was never advertising it the last post i made was fuck in december i never advertised my blog i never advertised it

i never advertised it it was there but i never advertised it

i had no audience it was for me

it was for me

okay

i know what you're trying to do antonio

you can only justify that position abstractly

but when you go out into the open and attack other people like how you did to infrared then the burden is on you

then things like popularity do fucking matter there is no abstract formal criterion of truth that just exists at the expense of reality truth is determinanate and concrete truth can only prove itself in actual falking reality in the dirt in the street is where truth

antonio is proven

it's not fucking proven

in your fucking head

above all of reality not even hegel had that falking position for hegel spirit develops itself unfolds itself through all the blood and butchery and carnage and barbarity of history that was hegel's falking position now let's make fun of this guy

since he wants to be so aggressive and talk all this shit

look at this stupid dog

i don't know w's talking about

can you stop schizorena and do something interesting

one second this is the last thing

then we're going to go on the redit

you know popular thoughts but they don't lead twentything concrete and that's so much pretension

so much passive aggression

and this is what i'm faced with

so much aggression and hostility and passive aggression

so much disrespect

so much rudeness

so much dismissiveness

and this is what i'm fucking left with this lefty pole guy was green texting me

who are you to do that antonio

i'm not even going to make fun of you i'm just going to let the audience see who you how you sound and who

and who you are antonio i'm going to let my audience see it

who are you to do that antonio

who are you to be so fucking aggressive

and so fuck and rude

who are you

mainly a thing in you know obviously the first world right you know we're talking about first world problems here you know on in a third world it's it's not so clear you know there still are leaders antnio where do you get the bodness to be so disrespectful to other people who never even fuck and heard of you before where did you get that bodness in that fucking arrogance because i'm not e going to try and make fun you right now tonyo even i have limits

even i kinda feel bad for you right now i kinda fuck and feel bad for you right now antonio i'm not even going to make fun of your appearance or your voice or anything

you're just a pathetic fucking loser

you talk a big game on your keyboard and this is the concrete actuality an actual reality of who you are this fuking guy i'm looking at right here not your blog not your puffed up pretentious little words on your blog this is who you are you cannot hide behind words antonio i see you who for who you falking are this is what counts

all your fucking words at the end of the day are ancillary and secondary to this concrete and primary reality

right here what we're seeing now

you know we still have the ever morales people we still have the lulas we still have and youre have your nose in the air and you're so fucking arrogant and rude and you want to come shit on our fucking stream and be a fucking prick about it

and who the fuck are you antonio

who the fuck are you

you don't have a confidence in your voice

that matches the confidence of your tweets

the cut that the tweets

don't exude

the same level

of pathetic bittery that i'm looking at right now

your actual persona doesn't exude the same confidence that i see in your tweets

mocking us and looking down upon us with your green texting on fucking twitter

it doesn't fucking match antonio

if you can't back it up in reality don't fuck and go on the internet and do it

don't want the fucking internet and do it antonio when you can't back it up in actual fucking reality

you know we still had chob i'm not going to comment cok i feel bad for this guy

he's a miserable fucking guy

he's a miserable fucking loser

miserable fuck and loser i feel bad for him and i'm going to comment

i really feel bad for him

i really feel bad for you i'm not even going to comment

i'm not even going to comment

i'm actually not going to fuck and comment

m k altrawoke thank you so much for this comment i wanted to prove

finally

that you were

the fucking filthy insurrection is guy can you guys please screenshot m k alter wolk saying typical arab

and just

spam that on left people let left people see who he really is

he's literally the guy who made the massage sock puppet

and the fucking filthy insurrection is psych puppet

literally the same guy this is sage

this is the truth of sage it's over sage you claim you're a maoist

you claim you're a maoist but you're a british guy who's explicitly a racist

everyone screenshot sage and so left people who sages

okay sorry

yeah

i send you a d m

my fuck and twitter is actually locked out because these people reported my twitter

there such beitches they reported my twitter

report in my fuck in twitter

ok

because i fuckin you want to know what the tweet was i replied to the hyperion guy

and i said

you guys are going to fucking

you guys are going to fucking collect dust while infrared grows you fuck and little nerd as bitgs and they got so mad at that they were so triggered that they reported our fucking twitter and took our twitter down but guess what i made a new twitter

i made a new twitter for haz

for in forra haz but don't follow it

this twitter is going to just be

for the elite

don't follow my twitter

well you can follow it but

follow infrared

only follow infrared is the main thing

if you must follow one only follow infrared

i can't believe sage believes he can beat hos he can't do sage is a dead and dnb case

he's just like gollum i've addressed every real point he's ever brought up

i've addressed every re and he's never responded he said the thing about the grain of sand equals a pile of sand

hooes it the scale make a difference why explain to why it makes a difference

sage is dead and done

sag is fucking done

ok let's go on fuck and read it we're done with the negativity for now w of be right back

let's go on the fuck and rerabbits

let's go on the fork and rit it

readit dot com slash showing for itd

is hous sometimes

his friend's guest star

is haise and sometimes his friend's guest star

no

they're not guest stars

you can get your account back

surely

yeah we are in three hours i'm locked out for three hours

i'm locked out for three hours

we're going to check this out

damn three hundred

visits in the past week

crazy we have fifty members now

jesus

started out like fourteen

zimilla

yeah anyway

it's really important to not overplay your hand

and

you have to remember that right now

ninety percent of america

it is just wants to grow

ok

now we have to remember that grilling is fundamentally anti it's counter revolutionary

don't know what's this

sorry

i'm not upvoording this full medal

i'm not ovoiding this one

not going to downvoad it either

but full metal

let's not say this

how would you say stay tuned day of reckon will come it will honest record will be strick how was i antagonistic all i said was that long form live streaming didn't talk very much about dialectics well guess what hyperion maybe not for you who's already well read on the subject but for people

you have to understand my audience hyperion you and antonio

right in a way that's for whom it may be concerned that's your audience for whom it may be concerned if you don't get it you don't get it fuck you my audience are mls

my audience are people from leftypole my audience are mostly casual and there are a few intellectuals too

i'm primarily targeting marxists and tankis who keep hearing the word dialectics and i want them to have a minimal sense of what the fuck people are talking about

okay i wasn't trying to make a treat see

on hagel's dialectic and the true way of presenting hegel's dialectic

this word dialectics is thrown out a lot thrown around a lot

among marxiss

oka

you're saying it wasn't a sufficient intro

but even i said it wasn't a sufficient intro i said it was the first part and we're going to have more intros the dialectics and this was just one part of the stream yes i titled the stream introductions to dialectics but it's very rare that an entire stream is going to be dedicated to the subject matter of the title if you knew anything about streaming you know that's a commonplace custom for all streams and streamers

ginji stop deleting his messages please stop stop deleting his messages

stop deleting his messages gingj stop

stop deleting his message

i wanted to have a minimum of novel conceptual exploration of what the dialectics is

i didn't want to give people

access to what people in universitis are saying

i don't want to give people repeat what other people are saying

this word dialect this is thrown around a lot among the left and among marxis and among m ls and tankies and all these type of people who watch us

i wanted to introduce it to m in a way they're unfamiliar with

that's what i wanted to fucking do

i could have began and be formally correct and all hitting all the technical well for higel that i could have done all that fucking shit

i have done that kind of fucking shit i can do that shit

i can write an introduction to hegel

four people who are already somewhat knowledgeable on the subject

and knowledgeable in regards to theory every audience

hyperion is a determinate audience

you have to have a determinate audience

ginsed

he's not going to debate me gin jee it's just say he's not

he's not going to debate me

so i din't l you

i'm just angry in general

i

every audience is a determinate audience is a finite range of people ok

hyperion so if you're writing for example if you're writing for the accelerationist crowd

that's her trend on twitter

the tone of your introduction to hagel's going to be different if you're writing for m ls the tone's going to be different if you're writing for academic hagelians the tone's going to be different if you're writing for brando pippin and all those analytic

people

the tone is going to be different it depends on who you're writing for what is the context you're putting a foot in the door in and trying to get into

that's the dialectical and hegelian approach to making introductions you have to have a specific and determinate audience in mind

sage you are literally a glowe who wants me to go on lefty pole and type paragraphs with you so so i'll stop

going ons stream

so i'll stop doing these fucking streams that grow in numbers every fucking day that's why you want me to just waste my time with you

you fuckan idiot

dude i don't care if you call me an animal abuser

you know you feeld as a leftist when you speak down on the working class and not know the intuition that people have

saying that the workers are just not as smart as you

yeah

exactly dude i mean i don't know your guyss intuitions

i don't i'm not going to pretend i do but i'm at least trying to learn where you guys are i want to learn

what associations you guys give to the word dialectic

and i want to work with you on that level becuse i actually want to teach you guys about this stuff i don't want to just

teach you guys how to speak about dialectics i should want to teach you guys about what dialectics is

not how to talk about it not how to reproduce talking points which is what antonio teaches you i want to actually teach you about what it fucking is and so that you can see it in your everyday life so you can actually have a dialectic mind while you fucking your girl for example clip me and ship me on that

like something as vulgar as that

in the everyday fucking life i want you to be thinking

and being able to relate dialectics to that

he he hates you ok

so what does it have to do with i'm not entertain

siege

are you a harmless pmperino come on stream sage you sage sages stalks s let's continue

let's continue

you guys couldn't you guys don't want me to do text format

i promise you you won't

be able to read it all

i type a lot ok

you're not going to be able to read my text format it's not going to be helpful to you

it's not going to be helpful to you at all it's just going to all my text

responses to these people are going to do is personally make them feel their own stupidity

it's not going to help sixty or seventy people

understand anything

i already saw this one

but this is

this is awesome

this is supposedly a criticism of has where did you get that from

what ust two hours did they mention at

show me where they mention me i can't watch all two hours

infrared is now a gaming channel

dude i'm against nords nords are fine

yap

nords are fine

is goalam still spamming the chat

dude why don't you guys time out golumn just time him out

dude i don't want to bring his wife into it

i want to bring his wife into it it's just between me and antonio no one else

i'm not bringing other people into it

he wants me to come to left people because he's like a mossad glowy agent wants me to waste my time

debating him on leftypool

i've had you filtered since you showed up

go and see him

can you guys time fork and sage out

time him out he's so fucking annoying duties he's taking up all of the chat i can't even read you guys

go on hyperion you want to come on

then do this hyperion

go on

d m this profile infra haz

infrajaz

you want to come on

how i literally won't debate me

do you dem me two bits if you wanted to bit yeah just keep timing him i'll dude

i can't get you i got to get through this ready

this is he

safe space

nice dude yeah this is the whole fucking saga of what happened

this is the entire sago of what happened

the world of sage actually went on infrared

oh you already already saw this one

i remember this

this is direct action by the way guys this is direct action the guy who blew up the swing set

i'm kidding he i'm not going to slander him

he claims he didn't do it so i'll give him that benefit of the doubt

allegedly he did not do it and these laighbors were making it up

but it would have been funny if he actually did do it

what the left should be

yeah dude maybe they should be more like that

is anything else new

nothing new

i don't have a direct message so

alright

damn

you have a good introduction to dialectics in terms of text form

it's really hard dude it's really hard to recommend anything i always recommend usic

because ijak talks about pop culture and he just

you know he repeats himself so often that

he's easy to learn but the problem with k is jakians

like antonio like amateur gizc readers

they ruin and universitize jijak they make him subject to the university discourse so if you read jijak read him personally

don't look at others for help

yeah he didn't do it

what's racist

i didn't see his comments

has read o lot you i don't want to i don't want to diss his wife you know i don't want to go near that stuff

not going to talk about

his fuckin family dude

i'm not that i'm not that much of a barbarian

you know it's between me and antonio no one else

don't lick me stuff about

but he's signing up for zoom so hyperions going to come on

hyperion's going to come on

okay

what is going to e as long as you don't like

say to nenward or anything troll me

go one

explain yourself i'll bean i'll be polite i'm not goinga

i'm not going to insult him or yell at him

because i already got it all out of my system

so he can come on now and explain himself

or say whatever he wants

it's not a serious post what is it about

ippeing to just registering zoom to be s ow the comments

i saw

yeah

it's funny

that's money

that's funny dude

oh wow

has he doesn't have a wife it's just a read it post

i think i saw that one the thing about the

the wife

who has an academic

husband or something

guys they deleted my comment on this video

there're such cocks they deleted my fucking comment what bitches dude

and they got their other friends to

they got their two other friends to like it against our brigading

guys

dislike this video even more it's not even disliked enough

dislike this video

cock

left of wreckage he's probably making a new video to respond

because he's such a pussy such a little bitch

and he deleted my comment i don't think you deleted it you too automatically deletes it

i think you tube automatically does that

you tube does it i think

so do credit to them they didn't deleate it

yeah you tube deletees comments

you too all f the for the wrong one

you tow deletes comments

you choose the one that deletes comments

i had nothing to do with this by the way

hyperiion even though you're the one

who started this

i'm still going to be polite to you

because i'm going to prove

i'm going to prove to you guys that i'm not

an unreasonable person

like y antonio was saying

so i'm going to be very polite

hyperiod

and i'm going to hear you out

or you had nothing to do with the video

yeah

you nothing to do the video that's fine

remember

in i had my old account is banned

ver it's smuted

or it's a

timed out for three hours

infrareds main account i mean i'm libertarians i'm more of a nuisance than online fascist

dud do you want to trigger libertarians just tell m we already live in socialism because they'll agree

they'll agree with that and then just tell them

you're stupid if we can if you think we can go back to capitalism

just tell them that dude

make them into utopian socialists

because the their capitalism is a fucking utopia that's how you debate libertarians

what up poppy trulo he's been here from the start

what's up man

you know that there is a drama between jason and antonio wolf

that's where anal water mea comes from

well i'm with jason dude

i would jason in that

you guys like jason i disagree with a lot of shit about him with

but at the end of the day we're all the same gang you know i'm actually i don't know what that what

but kind of folk with jason young saying i feel like me and jason can roll together

you know i'm saying i respect

jason

he's got my respect

i would never be fucking mean to jason at all i would never disrespect jason

jason's like the fucking mob boss of the tanky you tube he's like the mob boss

what up robert

i think you have to be following me

you can request

but i'll follow you

i followed

damn you even drink my water

oh man

how does antonio sleazs wins every discussion

i never knew this guy was until last night

he doesn't get dm's

i just followed him dude

comtable

oh man dude

that

sorry

how capitalists are destroying capitalism

nice

nice

dude i woke up with two hours of sleep and i feel refreshed now like these rants

are therapeutic for me you know

you guys i order chick foruy if you want to know what i do or fucking fruit

instead of fries

you gota eat healthy

n i'm saying

ah

oh shit

is he here

nice i hear you

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and tak this time bedo a current pin post by sage is literally deleted

did anyone screenshot it

di anyone screenshot it did you screen shot it please tell you screenshot screen shot it

please tell me screenshoted when sage said typical arab

please tom you screenshot it do you screenshot it

dude bing you call me a pussy but i don't even know who you are dude

i don't e know whose side you're on sometimes you're nice and sometimes you're not

hosband debate me

saide how can i debate you when you lost

oh no fruit

no more lib screened it

what an o g dude

do i love no more lives

i watched your videos even before i'mut of you

they were cool

screenshot confirmed

dude

thank god for that screenshot

i don't wear yah where's the animal abuse thing it' is like a vegan thing

on is he in the room yet

he's not here

ok ust make sure

i think the animal abuse thing is like a

i'm stealing fruits from the animals

like deer are going to starve because i'm eating their apples and shit

very true ful metal very true

very truethful metal

all right confession time

confession time

i have killed many bugs

and when i was a kid

i threw a rock at a bird's nest but then i felt bad and i buried the bird's nest

even though that's like

probably a bad thing to do

and that the baby birds died

that was

know my dark past

but i've killed many bugs since then and if i see one bug in my focking apartment

i'm not one of those people who captures the bug and lets it go outside

in a sand the bug dies you wunt tos sand the bug dies

i kill the bug

because bitch bug do not come in my do not offend me with your presence insd

bugs should not offend me with their presence ase here

on the

hello

i can't hear nothing man

i can't hear anything

now wait on

hello

oh you can't hear me because i was okay oh okay

hello ok

ime

what's up

ah

what do you want to discuss though

i don't know i i've no idea who you are

maybe you should start by

oh i'm hyperiion ok ok

so it seems like you have some beef with us so i'm going to let you

i don't have beef with you

i just saw your video and i have a rapport with ginji from years ago

and i was like this is not the

way to introduce dialectics to people

why i saw that he was endorsing it

because of

the reasons that i said

it's not exhaustive it was five and a half hours i know it was just a live stream now i thought that the intention was to just talk about dialectics

the entire time livestream is a lives stream

you have yeah m you set aside

yeah but it wasn't called that it was called intro to di andion des

yeah

they're never about the title subject matter

no i don't have beef with you or anything

i just saw that and i was like

well this isn't

you know helpful for

people i don't think

so i was like here here's the article that we wrote like years ago about dialectics as an introduction

there's a shorter introduction to

but

we wanted to explain hegel's dialectics because that's what i heard you talking about and it sounded like you were using plaate as dialectics

admittedly i skipped around because

the first hour or so was you debating this

asian guy

and i was like

oh he's just trying to trigger this guy

which that's what it seemed like

so

i don't know who he was either

i the only person i've ever met here

is genji

so

to me

there's no such thing as only hagl's dialectic

platos i like to

to me su

the object of the dialectic

is common to every manifestation of a dialect

sure

it's the resolution of inter contradiction

so

i saw that and then

maybe that wasn't the way to introduce myself to you admittedly i didn't know who you were i was just replying to ginjd initially

yup

uh because he knows who i am

you know we've known each other for a while

et me off

was you when you were like

they shouldn't be tolerated

because that seems like to me like

it's one thing not to watch them

then it's not thing i say they shouldn't be tolerated

go to seeh i'm g maybe that

yeah maybe that language isn't

exactly what i should have said

a

you know like what i meant was like a five hour long

long form discussion on something that

beats around the topic it doesn't really

explain it adequately

i want to migrate however i didn't hear the entirety of it so

maybe you talked about it throughout the five hours

i did skip to the part where ginje

came on you know

because i wanted to hear what he had to say

yeat let me introduce you to what infrared is

not theoretically

we have a regular

audience usually never dips below thirty

mmhmm

so we have at least a solid thirty people

sometimes it shoots up to eighty

i

and it's it's growing it keeps growing

when our audience is familiar with

we're

our collective is coming from a very

heterodox perspective

we have been public

for the entire duration of our existence

only coming

to being public now

ya okay

and where we're coming from

no one's familiar with

so we're always dropping extremely heterodox

and unfamiliar

manners of the

presenting ideas and saying things

that a dialectic has been initiated between the extent of the audience

familiarity with us

and what we're putting up

with that what i mean by that is that

for example

we have meames on the show now right

because we tk what the anglo box

because one of the ways i was trying to introduce

not

formally in a formal way

but introduce

our way of thinking that why people

are so violently opposed to our manner of expression

is because i was saying they are anglo saxon

dogmatic thing

so right i made all there's a whole mean what the

so our audience

has a level of familiarity with

ok a definite level of familiarity with us and where we're coming

because

it's a stream

i'm not i'm not selling this as a

course

i i know that yeah

so there's things that

you're only going to know about if you watched our streams in your regular

correct

yeah

and so building off of that

that's where o introductions come

the introductions are not ex nelo academic introductions to the entire school knowledge

i'm just dripping

some minor sense some minimal

type of

feeling out where the audience is

and what how they can understand

in a really casual laid back

and non intimidating at least i try to bek a non intimidating weight

i don't want toanyone to have a do you dot see like i'm not offended by you calling us names or whatever's it just makes me not want to talk to you you know you know what i mean like i'm in the internet i i get it

i've been on lefty bowll and for tan for most of my life

yeah but

i just don't care to

talk in that way you know

yeah

well most but it's ok i mean i'm just saying you know like when you're like get on you soy beta cucks it's like ok well why would i come on to get insulted

wich i

i know you're not going to do that now i mean just fine you know well no it's because when people treat me like a human being i'll treat them like a human being right but thew i wasn't trying to say that anything you say is worthless

i'm not i don't think i ever i don't think i ever said that but

you know that's a few of the problems that i had was you were assuming like i was saying things that i didn't intend

like i'm not trying to gatekeey access

you know dialectics devilly aren't the only thing that makes me feel important

mm

you know i didn't endorse a w and josh and others trolling you know that was just them doing it independently i wasn't like he come on and

you know ho argue with this guy

they just saw me replying and then replied in ind i guess

yet you know the thing is

is that

our audience

there's just two problems here right

right we're not no one's familiar with us

not anymore sorry

not anymore great get off these go

i don't frequent the channs anymore i just

used to

i'm just saying i'm in the

like i'm not some high minded intellectual i'm a

i'm an internet person

the same as everyone else

so

so i'm not an academic or anything i i didn't study philosophy at university or anything like that

yeah

so what i was trying to say is that

our audience

there's people who just want to

when people instead of engaging with the meaning we're putting out there and trying to express

begin a priori with the assumption

that were meaningless

to me

that's

the reason the only thing that could explain such a path aological engagement

with a human being attempting to

they meaning

is that they don't like the way we're

doing

we don't do it in this kind of sanitized

academic

and dryway

we intermingle

vulgarty

with

so

with

with

i don't even like to call it philosophy

to me hegs the last philosoph

is not even os

he was the last philosoph

but we do intermingle things that are usually exclusively discussed

in extremely fringe academic environments

format

with vulgarty and with

yeah gamer streaming in shit

do that really intentionally because infrared is

primarily

not an academic

not an academic sergeanting shat

not an academic platformm for read is an all around

all around platt

for marxism leninism in the age of multipolarity

and the post covered world

right where we were coming

so we do want to entertain our audience

we don't just want to educate

and i

it is entertaining

to go after people i mean i thought about going after osh and all these big youtubers that

don't really have anything to say

i wasn't trying to attack anyone that's the point

like i i was just posting

based on what i saw

and i was like ok

gangi come on this

long thing is not going to be

uh instructive for anybody

but i didn't know that you were just live streaming or whatever

that's fine it's just you know i'm not trying to i never tried to shut you down i never tried to report you or anything i honestly we have so much that

i have to assume that

when people say things like

this shouldn't be tolerated or

oh yeah with a cancel culture type shit that's not what i meant at all

i was just saying it abstract like you know another thing too is that i kind of was

a little bit triggered

know when i'm trying when i see people look even if antonio's

article was really good

yeah it kind of triggers me

that our live stream which is a completely different format

would be compared to attack

there's so many texts out there

and live streaming is such a different medium

right

it and another thing too is that there's clearly a huge people who aren't

able to just retext

and

derive any kind of meaningful sense

or

or

o

common sense intuitive understanding

a lot of people read text and they think the first thing that was in their head is

this is clearly addressed the addresacy of this text does not meet

this is not my discourse i don't know what's being

i can't relate this to anything

in my

and i'm going to admit i'm a very imperfect

educator

i wouldn't even call myself

i

but

you can't fault to me and call me a brain less

just because i'm trying to figure out didn't tell you a brainlet

well that's what i'm saying i haven't said anything like that you ok

intellectuals you can't call me a brain less

but i'm not an intellectual that's what i'm saying i'm not

in university or anything

he would go with the green text

yeah w you all that i am dreaming he is a fucking media

it is a fright medium antonio

did you want to come on my chat to be rude because we can be rude again

if you want to talk to him

he's probably going to get just an insult youn kind

but yeah he green texs while using his

real profile

n and he does it outside of lefty poole

and who is that supposed to impress i don't undw we don't go on lefty pole

i don't know i don't think he's trying to impress anyone though

yeah anyway i so i got to sa i

it's so in comparable you know and nothing too is that

why is why do you intellectuals tend to have such a disdain

for novel things

why is the ad why is adam curtis the default aesthetic

of all intellectual

why is it that thing i don't im streaming and

ninja and all that kind of

debased

vulgar things

why don't

people look at those and see

yeah

funds themselves into this future

in try to beat it to the chase

try to be worthy of it by means of thought

that's why i really respect the acceleration

because they are trying to do

you know they're trying to

be worthy of the

you know i don't want to sound like a verse so books guy with the're trying to be worthy of the post block chain world

yeah

in terms of thought

isn't the job of thought to be worthy of the world and not to tower above it in the smug sense of self superiority

yes of course

mm

i don't

if i'm projecting like some sort of

superiority i don't mean to

you know i'm not trying to

uh if that's what you got and you got

offended by it or something i apologize but

ok ok you don't have to really you know because i i came at i just put out my stuff i don't really even have an audience you know i just

i just post stuff on occasion

and i talk to people that's

you know what i do

h a w makes

his

dog videos or whatever you know of them talking about various topics

that video that channel's mostly about his life though

it's not really about politics that much or anything important

all right but why i just want to know like

why are we just because of our format

just because of the circumstances i mentioned with our audience

why are we always why are we given this assumption

that we're not coming from a deep theoretical background or anything and we're not familiar with all this kind of stuff

it's kind of like

everyone always wany who has everyone always wants

test

you know

yeah but by whom

like

people that you perceive as intellectuals re actual intellectuals we're talking about yet people who le peple or like for example that mean video i just showed you thatpitomizes the attitud

when i said o wdo that he made

when i said i don't know he wasjing low effort video but i said luecox was building off of the neo contin tradition of the early twentieth century

which was the intellectual arm of western social democracy

and that in thought

lucox was responding to

bolsevism as a reactionary

in the same way that the

you could speak about the ironic

in direct relations

between the trends

intellectual trends in german idealism

french revolutionary phenomenon so on

i

a

why why am i treated like a buffoon who's spouting absurdities in meaninglessness

i feel like that's a kind of

that point you people might disagree with it that's some uly findy

we was it

but i wouldsam that if you can disagree with that point

you can communicate that disagreement

in a

in a human and uh

mm

non hostile non arrogant way

you know like why why am i treated like a raving

schizophrenia

who's unable to listen to reason

i mean i can't i can only speak from yesterday

when

you and ginji were like replying

with

a bunch of insults and then

genji was like please come on you know he changed his

attitude

and then he's like you won't come on you are cowards you're pussies and so on

well

i understand like the format it doesn't matter it doesn't bother me but

that might put a lot of people off it didn't really bother us because we're

you know we joke the same ways

we say the same type of stuff

but almost feels like i think i'm stealing their ip like i'm stealing it from them

oh are you listening to him about dialectics why not oh no no no no you know that's not what i was trying to do

i was just saying you know like i want to actually help people as well

and uh

you know if you're helping your audience that's great

i encourage it

i retract my previous statement

you know i appreciate that man and you know what it takes a lot of balls

especially after how rude i was in the beginning

now it's ok i can tell that you were just mad or like playing to your audiences ok i don't to i don't know it's finiliy you don't need to apolish

i don't want i apologize for not having a webcam and everyone's like show your ugly face i'll show my face but

my face is all my avatar it's my face

on fatherland's buz

it's not a slave owner by the way

carold the lynn friger carol lyn

the poet friend of hagel

i do like when i'm in hostile mode it's just like

yeah

i get it like people you don't know come in

say you're not right and then

linked the article

yeah

and it's perfectly i was looking at two genji i didn't

yeah

you know because i know get i've known ginj for years that's the only reason i wasn't like trying to attack you or something

you know

i

i can show my face i just don't know how i mean i can post a picture

you're not a pussy if you don't show

h it's just that

i

who the folk report i don't know

it's just that i don't know w iported you antonio saying he messages me but i'm looking here in my messages

and he may have missaged your other account

yeah if you want to talk to him it probably be more fruitful

i mean we can talk about comming

i know genji wanted to talk about whether or not con lukach was a contian

and of course he was a neocanthean

i don't know why

i said he wasn't a sofk m just because he wasn't like a hardcore stliinist

i think that was i think that well politically i think too much of a

there's like too much of a distinction between like

a person who doesn't

agree with like everything

and

or doxically marxist leninist

versus a person who

tries to critique it

and they're just labeled as a socti i think that we are too we are too i never use that word sockt

when i was calling him a western social democrat

i was right doing it in the historical context of

welth social democracy versus bolsevism like

in the twenties

leading up

because in the twenties is when the neo conontian

ideology

was

proving itself to be the intellectual arm

so

marcercy

so ya

that's the that's the reason i'm not one of those people who

who's dogmatic andn cause everyone to sock them

yeah lucox officially his political position he was in a he was apologizing basically in the

old sense of the term like apologetics

forcee allenism

good night

it's just that my view is that when it came to the

theoretical kernel

of his of

of his work

in actuality he was

a reaction to

concrete

essence of what bossm really was

that's where i was coming

for me the concrete reality of

yet

sure like real existing socialism yeah like what

bolsevism was objectively

romcox was foreclosing any type of relationship to that in thought

and the context is that hydegram

high devers

turn to nazism and write word

ship he was really a right word ship but his orientation

was in part divined by his encounter with luka

hieer thought

bluecox is a

leads to some type of

high point of modern nhlism

i message your show account

yeah he messaged the infrared show

one

that you said was banned or something three hours

ah

mm

i was yeah i did i did tweet you gin jeet

k you

see this is the thing i was going to like k you i love you i was going to give him the zoo

well guys ned to talk one at a time

yeah of course i mean i'm not going to talk over him

and one at a time so i can

talk to both of you

of course

sorry

i enjoy this casual

uh type of

conversation

and

and

i do this all the time you know in discord i talk to people

but we usually don't have a particular topic you know we just ask

he

we've we're very open about the fact that anyone who wants to talk about anything is free to just come on our show

yeah even if you don't want to debate us and you know

creaatei gladiar the for the audience

i really don't because i don't think it's fruitful for anybody but maybe the participant like the audience

right

yeah i mean know i don't think i'ming convince you i don't think you're going to convince me necessarily i mean there may make points that were like ok i didn't think about it like that

you know but

we know i do read we do read jak

you know i do

believe what he said in first his tragedy then his farce that communist

communism is not this intransident

assortment of decrees that karl marx inscribes a on stone slabs to be enforced at nauseum

but it's the enduring movement that has to be reevaluated to fit the conditions of the environments in which we find ourselves

and then combat the unjust laws to which were subject

you know well but we never

try to force

con

it's just that some pright peole are so fundamentally hostile to us

like the guy sage in the chat m k ultra war

yeah that guys probably just told to come on so you can express his poison

w but

anyone who wants

to

be

you a human being we're not going to initiate

a conflict

right

i'm not i wasn't trying to like

just falter because i'm talking to you like i'm afraid now you know

i'm not i like talking to you

but

i want to like take back what i said because i i realize

the context in which it was

perceived you know

i didn't mean it that way like oh don't worry about channels should be deleaded you you explain yourself

and you came on wres enough it's enough i hope so sufficiently because

yeah

you know we're all just internet people

you know i'm not some high minded intellectual like i said

we've had a blog for a while we try to think things through before we post them so you know we try to

specify the

the language and so on but

you know it's not it's pretty casual

wich use a gailian language when wen

appropriate

okay w

i'll shut up so that you guys can troll

i don't know how to mute myself though

i think you just click

you hover over onto the zoom and

gverr

red dundonian

antonio

i can't hear anyth

yeah it's asking me to sign in again

okay

hello

but tony and i wasn't being a coward i just didn't want to come on if he was j going to yell at me

not being a coward that's just picking your battles

okay i can

vaguely hear you you need to

turn up your microphone

cause why do you hate me

ho

guy sage made an account called paparino said

because he's keys saying i'm an animal abuser for no reason i literally i was just making this up

dude sage is literally behind all the accounts i know it's you now sage you are filthy insurrectionist you are the mossad guy

you're the fucking allright guy

you the fucking you're all of them dude i know it's you now

dude sages a fucking glow we dude i swear to god he is

ok sorry

alright hello you

yeah can you

alright still i'm on

gam

what you want me on for

i wanted you to

the try and give

and honest

but without you know we were not going to call each other names we're not going to yell at each other

but why don't you give us an honest rundown of why you think

infrared or me haas

why am i a brainlet

and why

is

my understanding of dit why am i

deficient in an understanding of dialect

basically what is your theoretical problem

uh none

i don't know you

i don't really care about your views

and the

i'm not the one who put the message out on you which by the way your response was uh

rather uncalled for for the kind of messages that ippear on put

so i'm just very we mean you your response is basically what triggered my response and you had to like a spechy monkey i played along

okay

so you're saying i'm a screechy monkey

but

wouldn't you would you not

see how

i a screeching monkey would find

that comment a little bit passive aggressive

no because i'm not the kind of person who reacts that way so you know i don't have that kind of issue

so you don't think intellectuals are oftentimes passive aggressive

this yeah and but what does it have to do with it i means if you're passive grest with me i don't give a fuck

you know

okay it doesn't bother me

like it bothers me

is somebody who's just unreasonable

you can be an assole

you can be egootistic i don't care doesn't bother me

so like you got to back it up

that's my issue

ok

but we are

but

we i you said you don't know me i don't know who you are

we're a very small channel for now we're growing very rapidly

we have a big audience

it's just not clear yeah but why why do i what is that why would someone take the time out of their day

but why did you take your time out your day to clim you spend like six hours tweeting at us you discovered us

i didn't discover you

yeah and then you spent six hours tweitting at us i mean that's not my problem that's i was responding to that i was responding to

week

so if you as long as i was tweeting you guys were tweeting to

i don't know yeah hising you long long before you stopped tweeting i actually knew you

people just kep telling me when still messaging so

yeah his brazilian friend was the guy you were last talking to sebastian

yeah i was talking to that i don't know i don't really know that guy i don't like him that much but we he was he's a

yeah he's a g gelian as well

uh he's in our hagl study group on facebook but which you should join by the way

if you have facebook

mm

it's not ours it's the

hegel study group on facebook we're not admins or anyon you know we're just

it's very good for anyone who's interested in

pa go

ah

yea i

i have stuff to say but

it's not that important to dredge up like

criticisms like we never attacked you for being an aerrab or anything like that i don't know where thatsist

why is it

here's my question

why is it that whether the intellectuals of left

were

when i was sensing from you guys

why is it that everyone who encounters anything i ever say

i'm the worst and most absurd possible interpretation of it is what

is not

drawn out

for example the idea that i said hydrog was a true marxist

when did i say that

oh i don't know what a w w made that video i don't know what these are very gokint of context

i don't know why i

but you can ma'n

i don't know why i'm seen as such an unreasonable person because your response on twitter was completely but even but i made that video with the thing about howd you caught before those responses

so when you're talking about the content of what i'm trying to say i'm trying to convey some type of meaning on

and by the way all the ugliness

only comes from the fact

that people treat me like i'm meaningless and i have nothing to communicate and nothing well yes and being noth a lack is me exactly going to fix on nw is mean that's i be sd like s no it's no it's not

but here's the thing and this is what i was trying to get at earlier

the truth is is that even among polite intellectuals who are just passive aggressive about it

the underbelly of all intellectualism and every type of expression of a new idea

is this brutality

where you do have to prove prove yourself

with brute strength

and raw force

or else no one is going to take you seriously

why is it that we only started to get views on this show

when i put my foot down and started to respond to the people on left

because

those people enjoy that as entertainment that's modern way of entertainment exactly it's mean it's entertaining true

but people also respect it because they can see that i actually care about

what i'm saying enough to go to those lengths to defend it

right so that doesn't show any quality of argument whatsoever i mean jordan peterson the people in the right wy do it all talking time is just do and it so why why should i care

yeah but did you see that the ject argument

the g didn't even have a debate with a guy yeah yout try to have a discussion i know right i'm just trying and so anybody who watched that and said oh this guy won or the other person won

compleinest out of what the fuck was going on in that talk you i was

what i'm trying to get at here though is that

the world of intellectual

is downstream from this bull

but why why are you telling that to us ya know we're not intellectuals

i'm telling you guys that to us because when

because infrared has this vulgar we're going to snap yeah but wet we're ok but we don't care like you know we're not talking about your channel we're not talking about you as a person really

we you know you're telling us about your project i personally don't care man

o

that listen then why why why did i

come into contact with you at all

my question

because i replied again gina because sh replied agains se

then i know i i know git you antonio to be fair

i read your

intro

and then

when it was

compared to my stream

and was used against us

i expressed that i

i did i found it inadequate and i didn't i was really impressed

and then you found it necessary to

intervene

why is

because your first responses were just insults manly

and i mean i'm not going to lie i like to get trolling sometimes but

i didn't actually really insult you personally

i insulted the article

oh yes yes right that's that's not a

that's auto matic not metil later i started insulting you person

in in

yeah but we're kind of rational person responses like that right yeah

we di kind of rational person response the way you did immediately that doesn't make any sense because

because

i don't have patience for passive aggression

i don't

well i mean that's not my problem right it's you're all u you texting like someone on left

e someone on left pepole did left peopole invent green taxing

ok but you get what i'm trying to say

why not why can't you just engage me like a human being why do you have to act in this way

uh why did

do you have to let them away

well i'm just o my god don i'm just responding to your trolling you admitted you were trolling and now you're so yes because you started like a screeching monkey right le's so everybody what actually happened

i ok so i'm showing them the twe it happened both who were both of you were trolling each other on occasion it didn't matter i he's fin tonio was saying what kind of person acts like how i am but antonio

you are doing it

the same if not worse except you were passive aggressive about

i wasn't passive aggressive but i outright insulted you right away i don't care

ok so you said my son did you take your medication so yes he was that passing aggressive bs condcending hes what i said i read that medio entire mediocre article that is another type of contanization of hegl

way but can talk about that

real balzy metaphysical consequences to appease

institutionalized soy intellectual

i didn' mention you personally

i say anything right

but what did you say antonio

you said did you take your medications today

and yes you were you were basically trying to to

have the sche

psychiatric argument and i'm a schizo and i'm a crazy pers because that'ink exactly what you're doing man i mean i'm sorry like when you say that my article was a contonization in bll like

i thins so far off i feel like your article in reality i feel like your article accentuated you feel well who cares about your feelings here

well is thato that's actually what it does come come down to antonio there onally thing comes down to your feelings and we're talking about ration because there is no there is no external and self subsisting

standard of objectivity that is unmediated

by individuals

and in feeling individual

i think as a gel and you would understand that wouldn't you

no i wouldn't agree with that elaborate

what does that to do with the validity of reason

what is that do with what

okay so we can talk about how obviously

concretely

ideas are not

separate

from feelings

that's a whole different issue from the validity of a thought

what validity what

external objective

what i talk about external nobody talked about externalk there is no ok the validity of a thought

you are treating this is a schoolast

true

and not that

ok you're liten look here's here's where things start going wrong likeading p

i'm sing not in listen for a second you start projecting all these things of your assumptions and at nobody has mentioned antonio i said i feel a certain way and then you said oh so it's all coming from your feelings

but even in terms of common sense

collquial use of feeling is that really what it means that i feel

is that really what it means that i'm just saying

it's all stemming from my aspect

or am i trying to say

that i got the impression

that it was my impression that it was my initial reading

that's pretty much what i'm trying to say

well yes i understand that w to also comd of the you meedia sy right why do you just because you have an immediate reaction to something

doesn't give you the validity of judgment right there

immediacy does not validate anying

to

why

i was not pretending to the validity of a judgment

i was responding to an article that was thrown at us

and i was giving you my initial impression

because as far as the context was concerned

that was all that was warranted

no deeper engagement was with it

was there was no obligation for that whatsoever

i was wrog that this article was tori have a question

sorry let me can let me finish yeah yeah go on i just want to sir

that article was thrown at me

as an example

that it's so profound i need to learn from it

and that it's could kind of completely blow my mind and stuff

i read said that and i wasn't impressed and i wasn't impressed and i don't really can and ok

okay

but why what do you mean by impressed second second let me get to my second point ok

when it comes to what you're saying about

the measure of true validity

validity for hagel is not something that is schoolassed

it's not something that is that but who's saying that ok you're the one saying that so wre you to say that i'm invalid then

ok but but what's talking about what's god to talking about all sto stand for a suffer a second

you brought in these terms which nobody mentioned

nobody expted you you like gaslighting me you just said

feelings does it what i said about it was my impression and it was my immediate impression

that's not a standard for true validity so what's your standard of true validity

so corresponds a concept

the what

we self correspondence of a concept

ok

and for audience plain english

that's littlely it

if you don't understand what that means

that exactly i meann i understand what it means antonio

but i want you to speak to i'm trying to speak for our audience

to speak for audience

put it in plain english

how was i ho

how ok so how by that standard

did my immediate impression not qualify

as this as a the self correspondence of a concert

according

because it wasn't med was it's not about concepts i mean i was it was my you're not making a judgment clink of that sort are you

i was made it was my impression from your a right it's your impression but you weren't making a truth claim ight there

you wren't soa i don't believe in truth i don't believe in truth claims that's my point we i don't rek like what you believe in truth claim but you're on my fuck and show so you should care what i believe in because it's truth

true clams to me don't exist

it's a schoolastic idea that there's a truth claim

there's no there's no w

there's no

truth out there that's just

whether it's vald or not that's not really what a truth claim is aboutll but ok i mean you're making a truth claim right now but let me finish my fucking pointbout you let me finish my point

yout help

it was my impression from your article that you accentuated

in the form of your article

you accentuated

the distinction

between hagels

dialectic in development

and dialectic as a method

i found i found the accentuation of this distinction

ok well i didn't

you're claiming you didn it ok but it was my impression that you did ok so it's your impression i'm telling you your impression was wrong because if you read my article there is nosp with me

work on something

why was my impression wrong

explain yourself you did make the distinction didn't you was tryed there's a section ok there's a section talking about developments in which i critique people's misconception of what developments about

not that there is a difference between the method development of course the method is development we talking about

ok let me pull up your article

yes it look wello of the article it's right there

look at the section on development where i specifically talk about development and i critique

standard

marxist notions are not marxist but marxist

notions of what development is

ok why is ginj talking about timing me out i haven't typed in the chat for a while

what is he talking about i haven't even said anything in the char

h

did you

first second like did you or did you not

ok ok like read the article or yes i did yes n stream you know i mean

no i'm saying i'm wh and i clicked to the stream today i saw

when i saw put the stream i saw you were like scrolling over the article did you give it

critique of it because i'll watch that

if that's where it is

i want to know what you what problems you had with the

with the article i

oka fine

one at a time guys please

ok

so

at the end of it

you make the point

that

for the more we all know that things have life cycles that he

so according to you

the

def the dialectic development

amounts to this bas

right

now

i'm sorry you can't just take

a fraction of a sentence starts and according to you what are you talking about

put have put the entire context of what youre intersection

i know what essentials i'm asking you please make

explicit to contextual

exactitude

of what you're asking me but you're asking me to give your

there's a whole paragraph there if you need to read the whole paragraph to make sure what you're asking

so you quote something from the phenomenons you spirit ok let's go before this plan

to give a more concrete example take that so is the subject matter

of this article about the dialectic

developmental dialectue

that's the heading

under which these paragraphs are being writen

so is the subject matter of these

these paragraphs which

comprise maybe two thirds of the whole thing

is that about the heading under which it is written

it is about developmental dialectic and it's about how people misunderstand that

but it's not saying anywhere that dialectic

as a messag and development are two distinct things

of course or not

i mean if you got that impression would draw the distinction between the method and the develop

where

common mistake dialectes isb

the number one i have people trying to come p trying to me can com into the

the difference between dialectic ok

i'm i

misconstruct i put it the wrong way

i meant what you meant is the difference between contradictions

and develop

sorry

the former is the moment of seeming collapse of meaning and self contradiction this is what i meant

the latter aspect is the methods ok i just misused the word

that's what i mean

the contradiction and the develop

that's wnmful

ok so what's your problem with that

i find this distinction

to be

accentuated in a way that is foreign to hagel

uh in to meu and uh upon what basis

for

to me you're just reproducing the traditional conflict but to you but i i'm talking about ab you're making a claim about a i am not speaking for some supparate individual

eternal truth i am speaking for myself

because then you know then you're talking to me you're conversing with an individual

so you are interested in my fucking thoughts on your article that's what we're talking about stop saying you're not concerned with me or what i'm saying tking are because you're talking to me

hold on maam is

calm down cale down

stop stot utting you off every time i say i think or i feel and sa i don't care what you doink i don't care how you feel but you're fucking talking to me so you should

well

now i mean there's no reason why i should but

there here isn't then whykven why are you here if you don't have want to have a conversation with me why are you here

ok you want to discuss my article we are all limited by our finite impressions of things you don't have access to some absolute truth

that i that's beyond your own

immediate individuality you don't

not that's your pan

that's your claim

you don't you

no you don't i'm calling right that's your claim there's ok when i say all you want you don't have some access to

to some supper individual knowledge in your head

that no one in this jat doesn't have

uh nobodys saying that i have some exclusive acces you're just saying

see this is a case in which we are projecting you

you don't have a right to cut me oppite i don't care what you do i don't care you feel

but ya okay but

see i didn't come on here discuss

you

i don't know yes you did yes you do know i came here because you want to discuss my article about dialogic so here to i want discusse your article i'm fucking living breathing human being you're living breathing fucking you would right ok but and i wory about is right now antonio is between two fucking human yes but how is it a dialogue if we need a nll it's not some abstract either of reason we're just puppets who are instruments of it

and that's the only thing that matters

it is mediated

by us

there's no getting around that the rose is red antonio

the rose is red

i agree

but that's not what we're talking about

what are we talking

i thought you brought me on here talk about my article and my article is not about you know i didn't even antonio i brought you on here

because i wanted you to explain your beef

and i told you

i told you i don't know any before i was not impressed with your foking article

and i don't care about those two things and i said

i said

i don't have to fuckingpve

but since i want to be charitable to you that's why i pulled up your fucking article right now because now we're talking about your our article as an act of my own charity

but actually i have no fucking obligation to give a shit about your fucking article

that's the whole fucking point

why did you initially come and respond to me

like how you did

being passive aggressive and now you're saying what kind of human being

response to and act the way i did

which

you were much more violent

and brutal to me than i was with you

i was expressing myself as a fucking human being

and you were pretending to be some mechanical robot who's above it all

who can somehow look down to me

from the

perspective of the university discourses ivory tower

that's the fucking difference

eens

i've always been active

human

i've always been the one i

human

you're just fucking bluff

and you w't your article antonio is because i thought

you wanted my take in my impression

if you don't care about

my impression and my view of your fucking article don't ask me to give it to you

don't i care ok i can talk about it with hyperiion

yeah i don't know why you

you basically s are what you basically saying is proven

prove it right there's be reason

no i'm not saying

no ok let me make clear what my issue with what you're doing here is ok

my article is about dialectics of habl

it's not about hod to gearing dialectics if there a is such as that don't lokless things since you're drawing ok then mean that i want to

what right do you have to draw these hard distinctions

when the object

is what is common between them all these things you're mentioning are just on the surface

the object is the same it's just the manner of expression is different

so if i'm coming from a hih a garion perspective

or a perspective that's outside of the artificial

tangible and discret category you're arbitrarily imposing

that doesn't actually matter because

you you do the eyes on the ball

keep the eye on the ball you understand

the category of he gean dialected vers how you

completely artificial and doesn't matter at all

and that itself is a deeply

pgellan

isn't it

actually yeah i agree

ok

and

so

i just responded to what you said

yeah ok i agree with that i mean i even said that to ginji i'm like look

in so far as these are your positions within your own

systematic outlook

fine

i mean it doesn't make them false

right

' right i mean right as you said it's a different perspective right

yeah

right

and so wen i'm talking about in good faith

trying to come a you

i'm trying to say

i know i'm a finite

i don't think i'm a god

who knows every

i don't i also don't think you are either i don't think any human being

so when i say

it's my impression

where i think

i'm open to being corrected

i'm open to being contradicted

i'm just giving you my finite my limit

what is within the limits of my

and not only with it

my limits of my intellectual capacities whatever

but given the time constraints in the context constraints of

me writing a paper yesterday so i don't really have time

to delve deep into your article

me you know

i read your article

as a first impression because it was linked

and nothing in that article hooked me into it in piqued my int

k when i read

not and usually when there's something interesting

that's what happed

that

i read something to go wow you know

it never happened

ok i read through it

and it sounded to me

like

just another way of turning hagel's dialectic

into all guys hey it's just a truism

there's nothing profound or

consequences of hagel's dialectic

it's just not true trees reproduce themselves and plants reproduce themselves

but that's not what i said and i mean and you can read the article that's not what i said said for example

now the let me tell you the example w sa thing a buto the tree non hold on hold on let me tell you revolutionary was two hundred years ago

for the most part common in our day

you still stign stand by that view

ok let me give the full context so your audience knows what the hell you're actually saying and what you're probably ranting about

you brought up the whole thing about a different contradiction development right ok and you said like you don't believe that whole distinction matters

uh and the

in a way i agree in a way i don't

but what i meant with that is specifically

the way in which people talk about contradiction as if it is

a universal totally always useful category

right it's like binary you look at the thing you screen n hold on let me finish the thought let me f some thought me finish the

k let me finish the thoughts so that go your auden understand

ok my critique there was specifically of this sort

that

why would you speak

in this sort of

base level

notional concept of negation

and talk about contradiction here and contradiction there

when it's actually much more useful

to speak on and far more concrete terms

it's like looking at computer screen and you're reading words right

but in reality it's all zeros and ones to the processor right why would you be looking at the zeros and ones

i know where you're coming

so do you do you agree with that do you do you think that's a distinction

i myself used to have this kind

what how i would put that is

people impose

dialectic in an in essential manner

so for example

they use examples to illustrate what the contradiction is in reality

that is not actually essential

an essential

point

to give rise to the necessity

of why we need to speak of contradicty

right

like why do we need to speak of the contradiction relevant to hagel's dialectic

by the example of the

the factory in the mine or the nuclear power plant in the mine example you gave

o

we don't

actually my point there was it's actually more useful to speak of development there than a contradiction because i know know what you point

i'm saying i understand where you're coming from

people try to essentialize something that is

when it comes to the realm of and this is where you're going to object and yell at me

the realm of the in itself

in essential

it is not

in itself a contradiction

somehown't it a contradiction

was no no my point my point there was not that it's not a contradiction my point is that

like if you're king and it some it's not a contradiction

in itself it's a development only for us is it a contradiction that we arbitrarily

ing no it is a contradiction

i mean and

comes to

marxist guy you

speaking

i mean you're not going to find that part there it's there's it might not even be in this section it is

but no not pspectually about the nature of contradiction or the truth of our

from ok

besides the false tratic formula ok

you know everything heres i'm not saying this whole thing is wrong

lot of things are right i still don't think it's a good introduction to a layman

might be a good introduction to someone who's a few steps ahead

but i me you know and exactly that's what it is it's meant as an intermediary introduction es not indut then then it's not half bad it's not ha bad thatn but my stream was meant for a literal tanky or just seeing this word

dialectic and doesn't know what the fuck a t

being

spoken of

um i don't know i watched the section of uh where you specifically had on the screen the word dialectic you start talking about it and uh

you kind of went off in a way in which i would say that that just didn't strike me as useful

like

i don't its not useful to you because you are

filtering everything in an academicized formalistic way no not act going ex says i talk to all people all the time right

it's not just these agelan friends i have actually i like to meet people who are not a galings who are not philosophers

because it makes you concretise your language

in a way that meets

i standard common sense

fully agree

and so

if you look at much of the rest of what i wrote beyond that article

a lot of my attempts is trying to get out of that get hegeles language

and to bring this into a

a sense in which

people can see this

for what it is it's not some mystical high abstraction thing it's actually really simple

but i was

trying to illustrate very rudimentary

contradicts

what is the contradiction relevant to the dialect

what is the tit for tact the back and forth

relevant to this word dialect

i was trying to give examples of that

in a way that is intuitively sensible to people

was my introduction which was only the first introduction was in the middle of the stream the whole stream wasn't dedicated

to that very really our entire streams

dedicated to the title yes i'm aware you' have to explain that to me o

i

and i even said it was a shitlly introduction i even said that

but

saying it's not the best introduction which i already admitted by the way

and basically it's a stream so there's no obligation for it to be perfect

it's just a stream i whichh is the very casual laid back not intimidating atmosphere

where i'm working and rolling the ball with the audience getting some things going

it doesn't yes i'm not a professor

they're not paying me

teach them this gret i know i know i understand all this you know how but it's one thing to say

that it was not the best quality introduction ever i

i can definitely agree with that

and it's another thing to dismiss it all

as meaningless and not talking about dialectics at all well i don't know i didn't say anything about it being meaningless i don't remember y parans sing it's meaningless either

uh

well

to be fair even though hyperion and i have squashed the beef

and you know

that is what it is

he did say that

it amounts to nothing

well in a way i mean practically speaking i do agree with that that o t that is my objection that it's one thing to say it's not the best introduction

and it's ano thing entirely to say it amounts to nothing

at all

and i think there are some people at least one or two people in chad who disagree with that

because some people did give me the feedback

that it kind of did get the ball rolling

and it was kind of helpful and useful and kind of

well yeah that's what a lot of people say about a lot of things that they don't understand and so the moment you give them a way in which they think they understand it

you know course a're going to say wow that was a making an assumption right now where are you getting that is how are you

in a position to make the assumption that they don't

if on their own terms they're saying they are

why should well ok ok like what are we talking about are we talking about them just gaining an understanding of something or are we talking about im talking some about a specific allowing them

to refresh

there

web of association

and how they relate to those associations when it comes to the word their

nover

all dialect

alright well i mean i agree with you on that

i mean i think i think with that we the thing we said earlier about

how

the different ways in which may we may

con textualizing conceptualize things

you know

h

that's fine

you know but it was like the thing you said earlier as well if we're using

things to refer to a certain thing right in itself whatever it is

if you're referring to say the hagelian dialectic

specifically to habl and not to just some

generality of just well we know

a thing called a young dialytics

you're talking abou very specific object

a very specific theoretical object

and a practical object

and so

not any

belief of oh i get it now

is actually close it's like quantum mechanics right

just because some guy tells you a fucking story

in we s oh i think i get quantum mechanics now

no you don't

well i mean you watch pop science right you watch sb si video i said in the stream

you're not going to get it

but my approach to learning

from which is from my experience

everyone i know

first

is that

you never actually learn anything in one go

it's drip by drip

you hear something

you retain some of the knowledge

and then

in a completely individual way you encounter some

you read

for the first time you make sense of it in a way

you otherwise wouldn't

and this gets the ball rolling

and it takes time

and there's no way around that

that's all i wanted to do though was get that ball rom

i never had i never

thought

i was kind of he will

to introduce hagel's dialectic

in one stream

that's absurd

i mean

that's unthinkable

i think the process of learning is radically individual

and everyone's web of associations and experiences are going to be different

there's not going to be one universally applicable

introduction to dialect

what i want to do is get the ball rolling to just open doors for people

so when they see

the word dialectic maybe they'll think about it in a new way

or when they see the word heideger

and they see someone talking about high degree

maybe the'll think about it in a new light

i just want to get the ball rolling so that drip by drip

slowly and slowly

one day they come to that aha moment and i've come that's how i experience it that's all the people i know

have experience

one day they just come to their own independent aha moment

and that initiates

a process of understanding

actually

being able to confidently say i get it

that's exactly what we did

yeah that's exactly what happened was

that's great that's great

great

that's good

i just didn't understand if you were saying that our articles insufficient

or it's

you know

to

intellectualized youor but let me get it's terrible if it's bad if it's not you know no no no let me be completely honest

okay

there are i do have some

slight quips

that i already mentioned

maybe we shouldn't get into those if you don't want to

doesn't matter

notwithstanding those quips

if i was shown this article

in any other context

i would say it wasn't half bay

was pretty good

was pretty good

and especially because i would show this article as an intermediary

as an intermediary

i would show it to someone for example

who has

knowledge of the

dialectical materialism

textbook knowledge a dialect

serial

and then i would want to show them this article to show them for example

that dialectics is not a method in the colloquial

everyday sense of the word

it's not a formula you apply to reality

and ninety nine percent of people do treat it

so that's a good thing to say

and but people there's only so many people who are going to understand what you mean

when you say that

what my stream my stream was intended for a radically different audience

than the one who's going to benefit from this article

so when it's going to be used to compare to my stream

i'm going to be especially harsh

honey

caause

at that point

i

that then the idea is that this

article is intended for my audience

and i could never recommend my audience

this article as the only introduction

or is the primary introduction

to dialect

because i know for a fact they're not going to understand it

that's fair

ma

i appreciate i appreciate

i don't want to be you said

uh the thing that made me understand that was that

you said you

you were just introducing the term dialectics to your audience because they may out of them count i was like ok

that makes no no no no i'm saying they haven'tcuntered it in mos circles as mmls and tanking

but it's a veright cryptic and strange thing

i mean think about it

when you become a marxist

initially

and that's where many of my auniings are

you're hearing people talk about this word dialect

what the are they talking about

that's most people are talking about it in terms where it's confusing because they themselves don't understand it

week

we came across that

ourselves so we know

that's what our

articles initially attempting to do is dispel the

these incentives is a sentisis smith

you know the just the abstract idea

like a

you mentioned lest people i don't know how much you have to do with lesteople

uh but actually like when i was uh

somewhat part of le pople my first article was a version of that article which was specifically aimed

at dispelling two things about dialectics

uh and one of them was about what people think it's for

and they're also just you know a little bit about the methodology

and uh so it's not just like oh well they don't understand what it is and you know uh

they have a completely wrong notion of what

why sh they should even know about it

because most people think that it's something that's going to be practically useful to them

it's not

sorry i

my chad is me i'm listening

gohead

so i mean for me for example uh

like for somebody wants to be a practical marxist right

would i would advise him to just stay the fuck away from dialectics

oh

you don't you don't know the half of

when i

talk to you

progressives jimmy dore type

pool i tell him to stay the hell away from marx's

you don't know the have of it

i

i agree i agree

but you know dialectics is such a strange word it's like

many things about marxism kind of make sense the class struggle

that's intuitively sensible

communism socialism everyone's always saying oh it's a classless money less stateless society

i've rented about that

but that's what people that's wll makes sense for

a lot of

apparently

oh well actually that's interesting we have issues with that too

w i would expect as much you know people who are

rou have a rudimentary familiarity with philosph

don't think in those

people who are

the following bread tube

and

are following left wing trends

do think in those terms

but they don't actually think in terms of the necessity that gave rise to them

and if you have a background understanding hagel a little bit you'll know that

there's a reason why marx

cared about something this phenomena called communism there's a reason why marx' privilege

puletarian

um and it wasn't because he had an end goal in mind of a stateless classless society

thought the proletariat were the best means

realize

an american pragmatic

prejudice

prejudice of american pragmatism

sorry but we're kind of going on a tangent here

i

in antonio

i really appreciate you coming on my shwe

and i'm going to admit to you

it was my assumption

that

instead of

engaging with me in any way

you and this mysterious people from lefty pool there's we just have so many haters and i don't know

where they come

i don't know who they are

i was just assuming that you guys were just going to

you know continue a back and forth

and that would be

but

despite my disagreements with you

you've come on

and you've engaged

relatively politely

and i

you know

i guess

i want to kind of put my hand out

and squash the beef

what do you think

h i have n beefer do you i mean

ok what you wouldn't you agree we had beef

not from my side

i mean okay yup fine

ok

so you would disagree that you were trolling me and you were being really passive aggressive

h i was not being passive aggressive i was being openly aggressive ok you guessply trolling is not a beef for me

we what din't you say was really rude and disrespectful

h well insofar as you were rude disrespectful i was

yah

why i don't think i was routing disrespect

i think i was just defending myself

here the impression is otherwise

ok

so you have the impression

that none of you guys were being disresp hyperion was able to own up to it

i

no no l l hold on

the

don't mistake it

i'm not saying i wasn't being disrespectful

right

why i've admitted to that

yeah

but i'm saying that i was disrespectful to the extent that you were disrespectful

i mean you gokt the an t in your response to hypeer and immediately

ok

antonio

you don't think that your engagement with us was a little bit uncharitable

right all in a way no

no i mean your response was not charitable

right

no it wasn't but that response was that article which i had no familiarity with beforehand

and

i didn't even know who wrote it

was thrown on me

as an example of

the nothingness of our stream

h well i mean i never made that claim so

but

i sent it to ginji agin

but antonio here's another thing to

even if

i was my tone was hostile in my opposition to your article

why would the first thing you say be to take your meds

why wouldn't you actually try to if anything

say ok

well why don't we discuss this and we'll see

whether your claims can hold up

scrutiny

uh because your immediate responses did not strike me as somebody irrational

so why i seech you rational why why did you not afford me the assumption of reason

uh i watched your stcream man

you honestly like i watch your

the five hour stream of dialectics thing

mmhmm ya

i watched like about it

an hour or so in total

skipping around

uh it didn't strike me as somebody who was uh

quite this but you also said

if i recall correctly

because we use both i myself and ginje the example

that we've had plenty of people come on who disagree with us

and i was more than polite to them as long as theyd

like

being

and

you said

that the only people i'm polite to

the only people who i won't scream and yell at the whole time like a screeching monkey

are people who

won't

beat around the bush

and kiss my ee

isn't that more or less what you said

yeah you can quote it

and that's i know thug what that was it that was

that was because genji

and i was asking gangi to for proof

yan you didn't tell me oh go look at this section of a stream with this guy he was really

you know really oppositional but you know

still okay

because i wasn't going to come on precisely because of how you act to employer

well

people

weren't acting i don't think people have been acting really oppositional

because most of our debates have been discussions and they've been forms of dialogue

but i invited you

to a form of cold lawyerly debate

that's

you wanted which i need preparation

i can't do it off the top of my head

especially now with two hours of sleep

but if you wanted a cold lawyally debate

i'd be more than happy to engage in that kind of thing with you

if you didn't want to have a friendly conversation with

me will you consider

screeching monkey and irrational

's call me come on man like like

here i admit that it's an abstraction but the same time you know i only have so much time in my own life and you have the only so much time in your own life right the way you reacted

was a for the same reason i reacted that way

in that i got better things to do

o you know if you give me the first impression of like you're worth my time

uh i'm not going to give you my time and i ask genji hey

give me some evidence that you know he's going to be worth my time

and honestly bond to me first i didn't respond to you first you came to me first

so clearly that was worth the time right

h whath i mean sorry ma'n a tweet isn't isn't anything

i think a tweet is something actually i think a tweedt is well to me it's not anything

i mean i lik thre

at random people who i never talk to again

doesn't matter to me it does' can chalk it up to bad first impressions i guess

ya it's all that on both sides it's fine

but i'm admitting that i was hostile to you but you're not admitting that you were i am admitting i did admit it but i just said we ha you said we had no beef and i reached my head no significant s we don't have a vendetta against you or anything

oh yeah yeah okay or i never this if we haven't invented

talking past each other here what you can see was beef

is not what i conceive as be

if what would not be o be between us to you is considered beef

i guess from your standpoint we had beef ok

i wanted to squash and it squash will is thath clearly

is between us that was between us the ill will would you not agree that

taking the time to make a video to mock us is an expression of some kind of ill will

toward infrared

isn't it kind of an expression of

bad feeling yeah i think so

yeah

and i just wanted to this is why itdn't dor i what i wanted to do was i wanted to all our disagreements notwithstanding

let's put it behind us

from here on forward

can engage each other civilly

and have a normal

us go on yeah

sure ya i agree with that

that's all was trying to get at

and we need to network more but we're not like we don't network with anybody like we're

on our own basically we just talk to each other you know what st we're not like some

huge channel that's trying to like stop you from making it sounds like you guys

to have some things in common with infrared

you have similar views on a lot of

especially in relation to the le

you have a similar pedagogical

outlook

i mean not in terms of streaming and stuff but

terms of the bit by bit thing i was talking about

so

you know

why don't we put all the bad feelings behind us

and

start a new chapter

sure

re mam

ah

people in the chat are asking for marxists

uh we're mark's adjacent for sure

we don't really like labels that much we don't even like the hegelian label

very much we just

like a galen

well hey

sorry i've read hed gaily

as i was looking at it

yeah yeah i mean uh in so far as uh do we adhere to the doctrines of marx no

uh do i think myself to be somebody who

it takes on the methodology of marx

yeah

oh my god dude how many of them are there

the dog dols here

we're not mark c in either

h

i mean it's hard to describe i guess

that we like

many different philosophers

whoever we read at the time is who we're talking about

it just so happens that we

like hagel a lot

so we're perceived as being

hay aliens

and we move in that circle

and we speak to a bunch of different professors who weregain and so on

or at least study hagel

ok

well

you know i hope in the future

we can have constructive

dialogue

some kind that you want we don't have to i won't be offended if you don't want to

and i will

yeah that'd be nice it'd be nice and we can have we can

prepare for more we can put time aside we can have instructive

discussion a serious intellectual conversation

about hegel and about all these

common overlapping

areas of interest that exist between

bus

yeah

maybe ya

i mean uh

for example the argument about the objective truth or what notot be an interesting one

ya mainly because i think the the crux is very simple simple thing

mmhmm

you know we can we can talk about the thing about

uh my view of truth

ah and your view of truth

and we can uh

we can express our differences and it's

it would be an interesting stream

aright sure

okay well uh

if that's all or

ya

sure i guess that's all i mean unless the there's any topics you want to go honesly but

it's up to you it's completely

your choice

i just to me i'm

you know

i'm

completely beat

as far as

anything else

i just didn't want you to think i was a fucking asphole just because i replied to gin jed and

no i mean you both have gon my respect

um

there's a mutual recognition

yauh i appreciate that

alright yes that's it i'll be af them okay

goodbye antonio

see m

i don't even know how to close th on the bottom right there's an and

ca just or leave i

all right yeah if you want to

like chat or something i will but

you're done then i can leave

it's up to you it's a complete choice how long are you going to stay on

oh i'm not sure maybe another thirty or forty minutes

i mean i was just going to ask you if you have any interests outside of politics like you know art or

oh better sure sum

i tend to shift

terms of

my

which artistic currents

from the nineteenth century the twenty early twentyth century

i might focus of interest

right now i'm really interested in impressionism

yeah

i'm interested in the impression

hour

because i'm focused on

the main one of the main themes of this channel is about

uh the

things

mad

this

apocalypse called modern

yeah and to me the impression is like the calm after the storm

so when this post covered

context of where this revolution in the force of production that appears to be

in motion

i'm interested in what are

impression

how can we give expression to that in some way

sure impression a start or

like impressionist music

like subtee

good socialist maybe even if you've seen it in a video game i know video games can oh that be art

if we have the three articles about that if you want to engage with that yeah i myself everriten something about death stranding that stranding before that was like the first video game

that i ever

considered to have any artistic signifan

it's atll

and

i it's not because i hate video games i love bloodborne and i think it looks really nice

weeah

debt stranding was the only one to me which i could kind of

feel like i could get away with calling a genuine artistic

medium of expression

yeah so it faithfully transfers its concepts

i don't i haven't played it so

i know the basics of what it's about but

that doesn't really tell you anything about it embodying its concepts to me like the game itself like

playing of the game itself

there is an artistic signif

sure alright cool

yeah

i

but

yeah i might publish that one actually for everyone

on infrared

yeah

think gingjt is gone the mods are clearly not to check

so

dog

all these f b i dog people

you are really exhaust

yeah genji and i have uh overlapping

musical taste

uhhuh

you may know his name comes from a

it's a portmanteau you know combination of words

of gentle giant and

they leve in ginj from king brimson

well i'm not familiar i think my taste in yah are very

very different

yeah that's how i found him on uh lefty pole be'cause he was

taking all the videos that were made and uploading them to his channel and he also had music that i liked on there

it's a good channel

yeah

i'm considering chat if we should ban the dogs because

is it kind of unfair that sage has like fifty accounts he's using at once

if the dogs can show me that you're not sage one of the

who are you guys

is it literally all sage on different computers in the mossad base

i don't know you tube works but like what does it hurt that they keep spanding or whatever does it bother

do does it mess with something

no it just like

it makes my chat look ugly

oh okay it's an aesthetic thing

well i don't have any videos so

chris morelock

sorry

i might i mean i don't want to plug or anything it's just an idea but

if you're familiar with zex is he wants to start a stream with me her like a

muke he wants to start it

podcast or something you know

so if if that's the case if you

care about like following my content particularly i might put something forward but i don't know what if you

link it in the chat and i'll

i don't have anything yet oh

it's just like an idea muk was messaging me o the other day

uh about

engaging with other podcasts like red scare and the chapos and so on yeah i keep hearing that name

move

a lot of people are and

the channel is called zexz

uh what's

it's x e x i z y i believe

ah

yeah he was like a popular

marxist

youtuber

uh back in the day

four or five years ago weere we all come from like lefty pole and bunker chan and so on

you know we're all in that

group

see i am

i'm very new to all of them

yeah

i don't know about leftism today chris

i'm not sure

boughts on drunk driving

mm

who keeps asking that it's full metal right

drunk driving socialist

where's the drunk

on it

dud full metal accunt making fak accounts

i've only been looking at

the orange

wre my name bops up

really

has you must get memuk on here eventually we'll have anyone on anyone can come on i told him i was coming on and he was like

al right if you want to yeah go ahead he knows about us

well

i mentioned that

mm

everybody wanted me to go on there i was getting a bunch of messages about going on there

coming on here

interesting

my only apprehension was like i didn't want to be insulted constantly you know nobody wants to subject themselves to that

s

o

i don't

like

go to he personal insults i don't take anything

personally and i don't really care what people say i just don't want to go somewhere where i know i'm going to be insulted you know it would be counterto it

some people ask for it like sage

right and all they do is insult me in the chat

and

you know

that's it and he brings on himself but

if you're polite i'll be polite

why couldn't jason be to me i don't know what that is

ya jason uu made a

had a debate with mook and he like got frustrated and left

and everybody was like on you know because i

jason just got ft up and left it was it was funny amted leave

it wasn't useful it was just entertaining

swag dog is wwags in our youusage

youyers a gringleader of the dogs

ya

yeah geist uses people to achieve its own ends from every subjective perspective

so there's

the universal guys

and then there's a particular guys the subjective guys

and then there's individual which is the relation between people

mmhmm

and geis a spirit for those that well

a spirit or minds translated as

but it's like thez i guys do you know like that the time goes the

do you know the order of the day do you guys are you guys reading the

did you guys read resinagarstani's hegel book

i haven't read it yet

i'm familiar with him i have a friend who

was like oh i liked him for a while but then i realized she just responds to e girls

i like za i like his all right

his um ya

h

he's interesting

i'm a fan of iranians in general so i may

yeah

i cririicize and i disagree with

i think a little bit about his analytical turn but

ok his idea of guis is artificial intelligence

it's not i don't agree with it but i like

the direction he goes

it's probably interesting we

ginjy kept saying i was in a colt i'm like what are you talking about

yeah

you know i think

a cult these days is just a group

well there are real cald some you wrong there are real calld

yes some people will call anything that just has private communication

o

yeah

and having a difference between what you're saying doing it privately and what you're doing publicly is really important

yeah there's a lot of groups think online

and we try not to

fall into that you know that we're some sort of circle jerk but

it occasionally happens you know where we get to a point where we tease things out to the point where we agree with each other and then we present a united front and everybody's like oh you're akl

no we just thought ausro but we we agreed

what is up with all these dogs were the hound appreciator

everybody's just changing their names do is like how many of you are sages bots in that are my viewers right now

debate has on drunk driving because has has the soy position which is

that i'm against drug trifing

has clubs now now fucking for medals getting into it

ire the i guys just my trolls or are you

the feds because i can't sell

i don't think russia is hyper borea

but maybe

i don' know aregnm me he wants

see it

gje wants to come on

but ginji we're kind of wrapping up here but i guess i'll

oh there is one objection i had when every one was calling me an anglo i'm not an anglo

and tonyo holf isn't an angeler either

i know

but civilizationally we're

yeah

experience the eternal angs i didn't say shit about antonio's dog

them o oh that's what it was okay yeah you went on his tri his uh

page his personal page and you were like the stupid fucking dog

or something di i say that yeah no i didn' i don't remember saying that i think sh did

i think in your rage you just were just saying stad i don't remember

did i

uh left communism

link it to me guys clip it

i don't care you can clip it and take it accun

plus communism is an infantile disorder

iconic percentaged percentage

hundred percent agree

fucking hey

we don't i don't have patience for left com bullshit

that's the issue i've left

sir

our only practice was like

trying to stop people from reading book chinen

you know reading uh

what's his name

the left the armchairgy

ok i'm sorry guys if i

find salted his dog which i don't remember doing i'm sorry

t doesn't mean so all the dogs will leave me alone sorry i don't even remember saying that

so many of them they're like you never know what people are going to gravitate towards

apologize

that's a good one can can pun can the chat please overwhelm these dogs

because they're all i'm seeing

has will you have me on stream yes or no

ok inn g

but gin g you have maeny good mind you already get yeah you've already get this whole time

and you've let these people spam our stream

so i want to hear what how did this even happen i didn't even

there was no development they just all appeared at once

ok now they're saying i punched dogs ok

i don't i know i think you guys just making stuff up

oh they love me now

you just got to put out a press statement that you like dogs now

dogs dogs are comrades

okay gjis here

i feel bad that this wasn't like

probably that interesting for your fans it was just us

not trying to explain what happened yesterday

what's up going gat he guys can you se k in what's up with all these dogs in the chat why did you let them run loose

sorry can you hear me yeah yeah we can hear

perfect

okay can see as well

yeah of course because i uh you know there to fuck in use my face as opposed to you hip hyper and i don't have a i don't have a

webcam

yeah yeah bush and bush and bush

so here's a thing if i may

uh caare

has and hyperiion

us

yeah i hear you i hear

okay okay

so the's a thing

ester four

i fucking love hyberion all right

i love this guy

i met this guy on the lefty pause so called the side tube channel

which is a channel where we can share music and all that kind of shit

h

but still

i think that hiperion and his cat

cart leader

coconspirator

no no no no no not co cod no not course co spirit and it's basically your

caugt leader hyp it's basically the is it

you ar cut leader

called antony of warf

i i i i i think that you guys basically

uh bush it did

our comrades here called has

it's ok let it's all bind us now let's not bring it back up

so no no no

sorry has sorry has this is not so easy

andn oh no no no no let's not do this let's not say that oh this is behind us oh

we can do better

fuck that

do

honestly

fund that shit

you know

i this is the thing cas

and

i've been a subscriber to your channel for a long time and i think that you've given

unrealistically

ah

how should i say it's a good time to

the hyperion and ontonio warf

because i don't care dude if they're going to look up swat we're going to squash the beef

yeah just can just start you know we start fresh and we you know who cares to let the past be the past

no no no i ha many i have too many real enemies

ah we're engaging in international for trinity

yeah okay so here's the thing

one thing

fuck you for saying that and we i bed fortun what good does it do to hold the gruge

tell me that

ok let me tell you what he what he does ok

here's the fucking first reet

which started this whole the back i know that initial and we sp

look you initial encounters will are going to be bad all the time

but that's just the meaninglessness of

human communication at the outset

yeah i was being yonder ay or whatever

like

what can we do agin

okay

i completely disagree with your how should i say the assessment you i do appreciate you a lot i appreciate you a lot

i don't give a shit do do you think ibout this show because i give a shit about your appreciating you feel like you're being like shylock from shakespeare yeah that's what i'm thinking he's yago

you know your pound of flesh

okay

okay but still the villain

allow me this foking thing i just want to or it own the fuking gh thre

t comment ok

h is hyperion saying that

there is already an exhaustive explanation of that act

that takes much less time to read and

isn't

pepper but he he already a party let me let me finish let they finish but this is

the you just want to get into a discussion about you because you're goara

it was a sont we spoke about that already five hour live stream that explain nothing

should not

be tolerated he says this

much less encouraged

this is f did y be he's here now and it's all gone

yes i did i'll delete it if you want no do i don't i don't believe in deleting things no i said because i should be held to account for them worry about it yeah

t it seems like you just want bef for no reason you want to some ring back to be that's not we're not going to have beef if we're going to you don't like happy endings

i'm going to go get i jack and then you can talk to him

h fok

dude ginji but we have too many

bigger enemies

you know

ok but here's y point

you know

i think that hypererion we

who is the guy i totally lauveh by the way

h so i think the typerion shouldn't have these easy

how should i call it escape

you mean i'm not would i came on

yeah like like like yeah

you you want me to punish him

honish men'tbody shame

he's already punished precise

yet

i have to look at your mug

ok ok maybe i talk to you for the second yeah go for

yeah

so dude you know

you no

for the fact that i fuck in love you thoug

vive met on uh the so called the sde t channel you know

as for the listeners

uh left depot has a uh left depout dot org has a

uh

uh t v channel called the sitube okay whatever

yeah so i met this guy

uh hi pe lean

on that channel and and we started to talk about you know luck on

on the one hand and about music as such

yeah

and it turned out that hyperion and i shared some you know

affinity

regarding this

so of course

i forgen enough hy periiond but this is a thing

you shouldn't have a pass

like caus is uh giving you like now

also do but i participated in the struggle session what more do you want

yeah what do you mean to past do you just want me to like

yeah i should be banned just no no no no

not banned blacklist me ok so he's a thing not banned

as uh hyperiion says not uh what i've heard what has says

i want to time out

yeah yeah i gave you somethime because ho you do that i was i was trying to ask how i get on the stream and i was timed out

yeah

but here's a thing hyperium well i literally have to budy

how the equans bully bully believe me all right good

to go on this stream didn't didn't di know you're bullying what have go everyone stight everyone stop everyone stop

i want to talk about how weird this dog thing is ok because this aw from lastm when i said pit bulls actually are dangerous

say dude

could andm i folking crazy can wejt talk about how sage

has is like

so invested he's watching it every

that was literally laid in the stream when i said pit bulls were

dangerous

dude

like who like sage

is not one person sage is the mossad

siege is a glowy dude

i don't care what you buy say

this sh is

let me tell you something

for context

i have gotten into conflicts in my personal life

yeah

friends i've had

with

there

people they knew

i've gotten into conflicts with them

about their aggressive pit bull because i went to their house and their pit bull was

so i became known

among a lot of white hipsters

in that group

in that million

for

not liking dogs

right yeah how does this folking person know that

i don't know who this is just gett know weird

this is weird dude this is fucking weird

it's a common it fuking hate dogs but the cia probably thinks i hate dogs

everybody who knows me like like those i like pugs like i don't hate dogs

but i wouldn't be surprised

if

the cia

thought i did

you know what i mean

because i do because you know i said i was annoyed

at like the dog obsession

and sid

like lash stream and stuff

so

where are all of these

falking

siage like

sage is really weird dude i'm telling you

sage is super strange

when it comes to the harzes anti semitic stuff

when it comes to the filthy insurrectionist stuff

when it comes to the come debate me on lefty pull stuff

can you guys please tell lefty pole that sag is a fucking blowing

tell me i'm crazy do' you think that's kind of blowing what my paranoid tell me i'm par

no no no n no

you know i never met m some it's super weird dude and i guys i was on the internet once and i was this i was talking shoit' you tube comments like

five six years

and i was debating this guy about

right

and he literally i kid you not

with no other information about me to go offul

he gave me the exact amount of money in my bank

was like two hundred thirty five dollars and forty seven cents

he told me the exact amount

the was age has was this age who told you how many how much money you have i'm just saying

the like these gota be fed

r but was this age or was it another person

i i i it was like five six years ago i mean

o five feet was

i don't know

he's

he's you'm paranoid ok fine

one day you guys got to let me in on what's going on

beuses

i am kind of

i feel the cia would care dude because they can see our potential

mey i'm delusion

is infrared just you or so other people's wll it's like thirteen other

oka ya so stop

equating infrared be s

ill see that

energetic people here person here

so you know it's the autistic one

yeah he's the autistic one and good for his geds and also good for us

for us that is so autistic and so energetic that we can enjoy him

life

you're putting yourself out there

yeah do

i can i can

criticizing you when i'm doing nothing for cuam

hypinium here's a thing yeah

yes would you be so kind to fucking show us your fucking face or something you've seen my face is my avatar

i can i'm not a

why don't you you know posted on if it does it's not call with its fine now it's as another time tbility

just you know you have to click a button

and from then on we can see your face that is all

so no i don't i don't have a camera

fuck of dude every fucking your laptop has a i don't i'm not using a laptop

what i'm using them x box or something yea i'm on x box i'm live on t

ok ok ok ok let's wes my face at you

i' do it not ok everyone has seen me it's not a big deal

why do you want to dox me though

that's the real question being i don't know how much money

that's the thing he had no other information to go off of being

i told him nothing anything he had no information

my you my you tube account at that time had no information

so it was super weird he knew the exact amount of money my

superfucx

were

how could he have known

i it's like the biggest mystery of my fucking life

ok has let me tell you a story

yeah

about one of my best comrades i know

in real life

so this guy in the you know early two thousand and

you know so early twenty first century this guy

a hungarian comrade of mine

yeah

uh joint and moreover

sucke to spearhead

this so called alar glove

a movement

you you you must be famly family averation

yeah yeah exactly exactly

so

and

he started to speak at this moment

and at one point du it received a fucking call on his mobile phone

and he picked up the f the call

and the court said

you

shouldn't do this

if you keep on doing this you'll bell never have a focking job again

yeah

yeah i am

so this was the thing

uh this uh comrade of pine who is like ten years older than me

he basically did the following he started to organize the hungary and you know oto group movement

and after he

uh did this

he received a fucking call

saying that

you should stop

other awse you will never have a jub again

in this

face affairs

yeah

has said something similar earlier

like we will never work in this town again

p

but he didn't mean it he was just saying

yea but i'm trying ok ok but here's a thing i'm trying to say that

us isn't as crazy as everybody in the chat session think so but you would have like most of us jat are one person

but yes maybe maybe uh but i don't know i don't think so

a

hypedia can i have a question me me i have the i you want me to tell ask you a question or no no i don'tk

question to shure

ok so heref you don't have to ask if you can ask a question you can just ask

f

fuck me

you are allowed to ask me questions proceed all right then save the question

ah

bartok

or uh

proos thekovich

a prop

thats my questional prokoy have and you said

thekovich ice yeh

the dialectical unity

ok but hypa you know really you

part talk

bluebard's castle

yeah

yeah what about it

you're asking

oh it was there more to the question sorry maybe i misunderstood

oh there chaf from matrix ting me ok so it's not just one guy

you asked me an abstract question i gave a concrete answer but

i don't know

i so fuck

so fucking hate this thing

has

and

hyperrim and everybody else

we using these words like abstract

and concrete like

shut the fhone up dudes oka

made in a chess chest chess session

we are having a time whatever

you asked me a bar talker prokofiev

bur talk

bluebirds castle what

what are you asking though

who's your favorite

ba

i mean i well if you tell me put a coffee of then alexander newsky

opus seventy eight

oh

or the scitthy and sweet or

go on

you know

i mean

for for what occasion

are we just asking

what music i like

or what yeah basically yeah i mean i like all sorts of music yeah but those are my favorites probably

from each of them

perfox uh

six string or deaths

obviously the height

here's a thing about bartok

uh he was fuck anger

minister of how do you call this

i don't know education or culture

yeahde the nineteen fifty six hungaryan evolution

like he was literally appointed

yeah

inside the nineteen fifty six evolution

i was living the dream

you can call it living the dream meanwhile in fuck in reality

it was like living the horror yeah so so

and also has

for fox sake

stop saying lukax

yes the catch

yes exactly yah

yeah

i don't like

harp on people's pronunciations and if i know what they're talking about yeah i mean either mean to there meaning but it is a cotch and you have a particular preference and

you have an investment being hungarian

yeah ok may being her jetty and whatever

yeah

ah

if someone calls me vlatimir instead of ladmeter i'm not going to

complain chris

hypium can i ask you the simple question sure what was your basic fucking ortist it

about

you know why the fox

did you tweetd me about uh own focking uh infraredcenth

butt it to pick what i thought you you know that i didn't say it's notout politically goause i don't i know was' my objection yeah

i don't know

i haven't talked for you in a while it was like

well look at our dialectics

if you're trying to talk about dialectic

ya but i mean i wasn't trying to like

promoted as someone claimed earlier like i don't care about that

and i was like this is thisse dialectics

uh discussion

you could have a discussion about hegel

instead

but i don't i don't know i just skipped around the stream

uh like a w did

i'm

skiptic

most of the first portion i skipped of the part where you appeared and you were talking about the east west divide

yeah

yeah

i didn't really have an objection to it though

yeah but us written like you know this this long h text so fuck you do okay yeah a sho text o i guess oh yeah i just use all i like to use all the characters on twitter

you know they get out an idea you know that's all right but here's my question im

yes

you know

okay

you know why i say that you're in a fucking caugt

don't

h no

ok here's the reason

because i have a friend yet you you

i remember youre and

antagonism towards me when i was like oh yeah we can be friends you were like no we are comrades

yes exactly we are not friends

yes exactly

yeah but the's istic for example i'm not friends with has

yeah yeah we're talking about oh no he doesn't like that

he doesn't believe in friends

friendship is for him e realionation daby in the back at the last

it's not a

we are not friends we are comrades gins you know what you're like you literally peter bailey's from game of thrones

and he puts his dagger on ned starks knife he is like

st it from the b you know my friend

yeah much for

for real hets they are not friends and i don't want to be friends

that's what i said the years ag to be compedence

ok ok that's fine

and you know the same thing right

no

no she's in christ dude

no

they are saying

because

this is french chip okay

and this is comrading

ok

this is much higher than the ship

i time i see where you're coming from

us i don't want to be your fucking friend i have

i had so many friends in my life and tod you machineo shet about people

who want the same thing as i do

it's that simple

i wand people in my life

who want to achieve the same thing

i do

and that's called for branch

understand

sure

you just don't want fair weather friends though

i have friends that

i still talk to and i consider them my friends

don't

we're are complete

sake

yeah they'ir fair weather fends please tell us about your so call friend still here it's an angle and we can leave if you want

sud the frog up he myy

st today state the only reason i'm pulling up this game is so i

so that we can

how do i make this so

by the they want to turn this channel into a fucking gaming channel for the beause people want to see something while we talk i think i

because people all peopleee panderingto the multitude we may not bele how do i mek this so it's do just stop stop right now dude

honestly ok here's the thing puss

you may want to try to you know differentiate this uh channel into becoming into becoming

partly uh

uh game in channel

after you have a fucking twitch account

but before that

don't do it don't do it don't do but i want to play games fk you on wre away you don't think let me tell you something saturday was our worst night ever like yes then i got it was saturday the problemse i can only capture up to seven

that's wy it was a saturday

and it was doing so poorly we want know what happened

is that

what i did

was that

i changed it

so that i started playing halo and shit

and then we went from fifteen viewers to thirty and we were just jilling for the rest of the night

yees

because people were just like

they saw you know i'm going to

maximize our window make it bigger

but we'll just have something you know some little something in the background

a shame it doesn't hurt

i' sing ok has here's my comment on that do you want to know why your saturday had merely

a thirty viewers

we

oh

this is the reason uh we staffed having a friend on left the poll

dedicated to

infinit

nothink so

yeah i'm absolutely sure like you know seventy sixty five whatever viewers why is that because if you check out the left the bard that the or we have a fucking thread about you from that right now yes f

that's that's my whole point being that uh here's the thing us uh your channel's growth is basically tied to leftipor dot org and

currently yes currently your channel's growth is tied with fucking t before that on but don't you think we've goten everyone from the likeense

it's not like so it's more complicated because you know if we don't have a live left pople that or thread you don't get above i don't know thirty live viewers we have left people that or thread about internet and so on you get like sixty seven views

ma no no no no no no no no some far of that drama for example i just sheated on hypedia yeah you really got me i't know i didn't say i got you i just said sh

i can go get shak and he can shit on you yah please but it the ws the son garyan mother facker i've sx piece of sheet had you get out your pm you're fucking

i live in atlanta georgia

in america

so youre america yeah i'm yeah i'm an anglo because i moved here

i am suddenly in anger

move move move from there

you moved to anglo from there

i been formerst soviet union be what country rosia throusia yeah you don't have yeah i know i mean ese you yeah i don't have an accent so he's here's a question

y perfectly no comany i'm from a company x companies company got tobvertach please do

we have like thirty people in here i more people joined i might drop just as like a coup i don't know

su sorry if you want to have a discussion has his hass wrong here has what time to say that you have an obligation have a comradely duty each second the seccond comradly duty to stay here comber you are here forever your stupid eyes

sen the sized ideas discussed by sens sized oices hes the thinus talcking wing is a strange where heavely a fucking loug and ok so hevy is basically

guy who was the you know unaccepted knowage it doesn't work prayray yeah exactly also you know i want to be onest andure ill tair to you

right nowy yeah but here's a thing you know we talked about the so called difference between friends rsus nothing's wrong with you aside f jokes and sh

this a very serious stufy you yeah you ok but seriously this is a fucky serious stufy what you i mean come on comradeship is on a different level i can you plans with anybody

ya and uh has you know on your uh redit parking account by the way ditu has ditu have you s dout i didn't remember did i yea ya i did in re that's right

okay okay okay

so first of fall

for disclosure i was the asshole behind the court on board asking you better ps has it had the hok shots i do know w was and you ok ok

sn

fall

i thought i had i lowered

sorry

can hear you

what's happened and reason everyone was leaving

's because they couldn't hear any of us

oh fucki the

sorry guys

okay yeah i can see chat i can see chat

ok let me hello let me fix

okay

but hos is fixing this

hello jack

i have a concrete question to you

do you prefer comrades or do you prefer

friends

please jek

and si

can see

chad prefers

i

chat prefers friends

fuck chicken see

that one guy will be happy because it looks like you're drunk driving now

flying int the halls

yeah will be a recurring character

character

yeah recurring character on the infrared

i could come back if we talk about something i would very much prefer if you came back but i would very much i basically do this every day but

and

it's not recorded on on discord i talk to peoples some

no because you know here on infranet we have thisse uh so called firs you know

people turning into hostileessti is turning into the getting characters whatever

so hyper and i want you to come back on the show for you on the hyperion ar exactly the hyperion arc

i want that she do

sit

how i start as a villain and then

ya

do you twitter post again because you nly started out there's a place

read out the no

i know it's all behind us now

chat let me ask you a chatter question can you guys still hear them even with this uh volume on no it's really loud

it's just so wod

i'm fixing your

hi there we go no more audi on

i'll get headphones or something to fix it

the gaming

ok go on

i love the fact that the house is basically my beach right now his hous with the f is basically fixing my high perens o the right now

yeah do they got to hear you they got to hear us too to i thought i thought i

i don't think being for likes me he doesn't want me back

ah

thirty one

dod we were down to thirty one viewers everyone left

yeah the drama is over

yeah drama cleared out it's the chill part of the stream

mm

these are the thirty fives

thirty feet

the hypindium if ask another question if you may try to start drama again go ahead yeah if youd so if i may

you know

what the okay disregarding this sheet about you know

di uh disagreement with theuh your first impression

uh with the infront rth and so on

what was your basic philosophical disagreement

what was your basic uh

thought about informt

because let me say this ford it's clear it's clear he saw us and he thought we were just like

gamer

ship posters yes

clear to

yeah but his's uh fucking sater post uh

vns t still talking about the fucg in

it's not a big deal of the beef dude

no no no no no i i think both of you are in a league n league right now

yh if you are trying to say that oh it wasn't a thing it didn't happen we fuck you guys fuck you guys

i really want to know but you imagine

no i'm not i came back to you

do you want me to go back into obscurity

look at me he i mean for fun no no no no

but

i just want this this basic uh question hi pdium what

if you have a philosophical

uh disagreement

no the the

infrarede what would that be

even when a w came on

we pretty much agreed

once we teased out what the disagreement about dialect i'm sure we have disagreements but yeah we need to

have a stream where we

pair

before

and we can talk about

better

yeah we can talk about the peticularities of communism or whatever

you know probably agree on the communism thing what fuk you know what the fuck is is hypothetical

dude i want to know hes go have thirty you wll have thirty viewers now

you want to leninist interpreted sh would earlier in the day when we are viewers are

going to be high

noting like

two percent of

or fifty percent of our viewers will see it

a fucky hey did she do honestly guys sag is going to see this and he's going to be like

has kills workers oh my god

houses a murderer of the working class

look what hos is doing he's killing all the workers

truve

no but foramiliar hyperium yes

actu i'm asking this question because i don't think it's uh such a laughable uh criticism

on nbody wants to come on stream

he can come on

ok

see

can i go on by i get on

you know what

can i go on

sorry yeah i was

yeah because this is a thring uh hyperium

i myself had criticisms of this enneral and the

uh fucking i fucking love haas for allowing me to

uh make my criticisms of his general

i'm sure

but this is a thing hyperium i think that

that first post of yours

wasn't merely about oh i don't know bush it bushi bushi

i think that you had the main criticisms about look ach and cotianism

no

my objection was not that lucach is a conti

or neoconting

eh but rather that

the assessment was that

lukach was a socktem

and sufficienenty

hoss sufficiently explained why he called him

you know a social democrat

yeah

so it's behind it well i mean

we can tease that out later but i don't know you just annoyed

and the whole sock them mem and i'm annoyed at it too so i pt understand yeah i thought it was like

just saying a bunch of different abstract things without qualifying them

with anything

but

you're rights about like how you know way more about lukox probably i mean i've read a few of his works

but you

being hungarian i would assume you know more about

okay here's the thing guys i'm a hungarian and the veterinarian

and zero pages

from

then why would you say that you know way more about see that's the problem like you just said i didn't say that i know

so much about tokash i didn't say

you did

no

let me find the tweet

plea w ha

ginjit ginjit

ask you question

are you

you are you on

are you gay yes no maybe

be

are you like hungaran hungaryan

ya i'm i'm okay here's a thing uh has

my great great grandfather was a

uh how do you call this uh

not not azerbaijani how do you call this you know in the

k cacus star

my great great thefather was an order armenian oh armenian

yeah

so you'll see this farking guh

unipu

hm

your your uh commenters have been

asking me about this fucking uni brow

so that is it

my great great grandfather

was a fakin armanian and he

from ukraine came to hungary

right

that innocent

hungarians are kind of part asian

right

mongoli india

yeah i mean not mongolian but it's

part her

some like that

maybe it's a difficult thing but honestly who gives a shit do i mean honestly

found it why don't we create our own markist race

we're just

sure

all right here here's and go on please

i do know better dude i do know more about fucking lukaz than you do are you for real are you going to anglo check me on supposed preferably better held beliefs you shit are you for real dude

yeah i just read it up wrote it off as it's befin sizes it and bmy be nic see that had a's noting n gotch

well but imply why the

you know more is to say you've read him not that you ne of somehow intuit or say that you channeled it into your mind or something

yeah but that's a thing hypen i didn't say i've red him

i mean no you didn't explicitly say it but it's implicit in saying you know more

meaning youn't aed him

i don't know how you unless i listen a the lectures or

not something what's explicitly or it was dictated to you

doo

ok what's explicit here is that due to the fact that i'm a fucky in hungaryan yeah

right

i

by that fact

know more about scky look ach

and sure you probably had it told you i just assumed like you would have read him as well i don't know well you know i didn't if you known't if you don't find him worth reading i would say you should because no no no no no no no i don't think i think it is a thing is a thing

i think everything should be ad ok everything maybe not e ifn ho x one hundred percent right about this

most thinkers and philosophers don't read the whole book

yeah 's eah

i have i've read very few

books covered a cover

very few coverta i read the books i read the whole books but i don't

understand all of it probably

you know so i have to keep rereading

like to understand stuff

you wll you don't need to read the whole

ya sure

you can get the gist of it unless it's a development of like cagles phenomenology or science logic

we have beusen it's very easy to draw an incomplete

right but to really p

this is the thing guys

yeah

i read books

because uh

its fucking intrigues me

okay

so if a book intrigues me i will finish it

she have a book doesn't thke in intrigue me

i won't give a shit

i thuck in read books that uh catch my attention

that uh keep me going on and on

for be typical example is are to sat

okay

uh so

basically the

most i've read

from these so called marxist philosophers was from ato sa

because that mother fucker

has uh so much to say

and i start readink and h it's oh my god it's giving me giving me giving me much much much and more

i s his writings when i was

when i first read him

i hated

h what's what why ask why

oh y god

dylan is the one who caused all the drama

the whole thing about dogs

i was reading his comments and i and i said what look at that stupid dog

and then thought i was saying that

no i was just reading dylan's comment

oh oky

that makes all the dogs in the chat apologize to me

nice

now i remember

so has why did you net atussary in your things

i actually disagree with him a lot now

but i just hated his writing because

i don't know he

he's he seemed like a very

like a vampire dead kind of ossip

kating

right

you know what i mean or

this was in high school when i first read

so that was my first

president and i found him to be very

next

what is the word

like

dead

that

my gored

ntological

but s here's the thing uh

without atsir

you can't have jack you can't have b you you can't have pook shot and so on like

philosophically

i have

upon

pap without

to

that would be

he is on dialect

that was his point for that ok i i think about ho thet if i i disagree with his spinoss i don't like that youpinos obsession

i don't like

okay uh

to a certain degree i agree that you ha ines thing aut to say

althus says first focking book

was about he go and it was a perfect interduction to a go

and then he tried to abundon all dialectics

but even mahn he try to abandon diaetics

he was talking about diabetics

maybe he wouldn'ed to lonize this maybe he wouldn't acknowledge this fact

but

he was doing that i don't like al to syrian ediology

i don't like

think you know

i don't like i don't believe

for me idea is something on the surface

there's no

unconscious idea

he would agree with this by the way really yh of course i di you know i don't know that us has did you know that o sad was the best friend of do

luck on and athre ser their best friends

and moreover all of the god

there was a fucking c i a report yya fuko

no no no there was a cia report about contemporary

french society in the sixties and they basically said in that cia report that

all we don't have anymore longer the so called the die hard the

communists like arthus sat

luk on yeah yeah

i saw that report guy sage is going to say

this is ha stopping direct action this is what saves things

has is doing to the union move

ready

let's go

im just showing them on

alright

in the game okay

i would still like to say that fucking directtion starts with

you deersonalely reading mark

fucking you me no no no no i'm not talking about has

i don'm talking about hyperiion i talking about these indiots who are watching these thuy direct ation ading

marx is really hard to understand

withoutcm

absolutely absolutely

ok here's's a story

us

and when i was a beginner marxist

i openly

join some kind of idiotic you know redit uh sub reradit

and i ask okay how should i begin

and they basically told me that begin with the

mm

how do you call this guy uh this humorist me who h marks uh

oh foya

yeah yeah they told me to start this fucking for your box ss you know oh ok yeah

yeah and that is that ad it

and after that they told me to read you know

uh fi sison firebark and i ad it and some one get so one

and it was actually quite good i mean i've i was given this fucking idiotic uh

the introduction to marxism but it was good

i mean honestly

how many of us can tell that the've read

at least the first chapters of uh

firebox and

mm

book about uh

uh christianity

yeah

i've reard some of it

i always just tell people

read jesus

we cad listen to sesa strings everything together

in a contemporary way

he's tried and test

you know

s like a

who's this new guyre the go on on the show

you don't ady

okay can we have him on

now come on

i'm here

hey

hey i walk when i talk so that's why i don't have video on

all right all right

i was actually curious um

you can hea about whit

what is sort of the oral account of lukox in hungary

ok

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sorry my uh screen froze but can you guys hear me

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hello

i hear you

k ok ok ok so as saying your question you don't ho what what's your name again sorry i'm so sorry you knowemonia

udemonia okay

here's a thing

a for a typical hungarian you know nothing about look at a such

right of course yeah yeah

for a commony stungarian you

know quite a lot about lu

and what is that

that being that this mother fucker first of all in the nineteen nineteenth revolution in hungary

you know

uh but ya es

shout shout out to my focking

sorry my fucking

uh that'sk uh no no no my fat uh

uh

my fucking that how do you call it thisc in english uh my fucking uh

whatenever collaps

okay

so this is a thing you dold me you dold me a

h

uh lukach first of all

and

participated in the nineteen nineteenth uh

uh revolution

okay

so he was he he wasn't just like a

i don't know

fucky minister of anything he was basically

making troops

in hungary

participating in the fucking revolution

so this is a thing

yeah you domin youa

well that was what i can i just sort of quickly interject please

i was just going to say that yeah i mean my understanding of fox was that you know he was maybe not

right sounds

ok yeah

sorry

no sorry um i'm i'm in my hallway because i didn't want to bother um but yeah i was aout to say

was very much involved right with at least the initial one in terms of giving support

m

but that there were sort of criticisms maybe with the humanist bent

with the way that the

you know stalinism manifested in the eastern blok

i'm coming from more maybe the trace of it

may i may i answer house

please

okay

so you don't mean you are

you are the head trying to give you a step by step

explanation of what the happening so maybe you should give that for you know the wier so i'm a little familiar with hungry when i was very very little i lived in hungary

in bak whatok so i have i'm going to talch

now butapest my first three years of my life were in buapest i was one of the twelve indians there which is what made it so funny when i heard you say loss alot for the first time it was i you sa lo like it was too good

no literally it was this tiny little x fi community of indians and yeah this was in yeah probably

yet the mid nineties

mid late nineties

and yeah so i've always had an interest in hungary and such

on but you know lukt right you know i see that you've sort of been talking a lot about maybe synthesizing that

eastern versus western conception of marxism

yeah

and you know i'm sort of curious to hear about someone like lukat whos understood as a very western figure but at the same time you know

tous say that he doesn't have revolutionary credentials at least at one point

doesn't seem right but at the same time yeah yeah i guess i'm here is you know what i saw what i said i didn he did crash in practical terms for the hungarian revolution

i was just talking about in terms of

his big

theoretical project

mmhmm

that's when distrust came

uh okay okay so here's the thing theh hause and the you don't mean you

you can call me uda

you'd you

yea yeah

but that's so jewish you

anyway anyway

so please

allow me

so you know guys

and

in terms of

uh

a proletarian revolutions

we hungarians we the second

after uh russia

yeah

yeah

so we had fucking potential

but that's another topic

but you know in the hungarian revolution of the proletariat

uh which was by a

caused by the same fucking

uh four seas

as in russia meaning a

fuking mm

uh imperialism

and how it is affected our country

but anyway in the first hungaryan apolut n no not the first but

in the hungary and prohtariat revolution

uh lu cach

was basically a kind of uh

cut leader if i may soce if i may say so

h he was basically

trying to organize

persons

workers

to form a militia

against

mm

oh

but all the doromanian empire

that was threatening us at that time

okay so this is the background to look at

and by the way there's a fucking

ah

beautiful

um

ah

interview with luk ach sorry to say only in hungarian

at one point i thought about trusting it trust thing it to english but anyway

at that point lukach

ah

openly at beats

that they fogked up and the love

then fucking communists say openly that they fucked up

so look a says that

they focked up

because they

first

onanty two

h

how do you call this

yh

you know when when when there's the the

few the society you want to

uh socialized uh said

infrastructure how how do how do you call this ning issue oh my god

could you clarify sort of what you're trying to describe in english

yeah what i'm trying to say is that lok ah open he says in this interview that they fucked up as communists

because

they sait to the

peasants at that time you know in on nine hundred nineteen

and

that they wanted to

uh

okay what the fa did the stari do in russia

in terms that sort of

so sort of that process of collecti by is it like the coll goes eah yeah go yeah

so the fucking companiest in hungary in one nine hundred ninety they openly said that we want to collectivize the for farm land ninet ninety

yeah ninety ninety

nineteen nineteen

onee nineteen that

isn't that

i think that's different from the

stlid collectivization because that sounds more like

either war communism or it sounds like trotsky super industriali

okay okay as a perfectly good question here's a thing

under

lenin under war communism

in russia they said that we want to give

peasants their land you know you want to take away

from the uh

you know religion owned h lands and give it to peasants and so on

and the

look at says in this interview that they fucked up because they

instead of saying that we want to give land

to peasants

they first

said that we want to collectivi iceland that's why that's okx

was a traitor

but doesn't that sound more like ultraism than like social democracy

that's right either the same thing trotsky trots

there let me just give you my perspective

ruck

western social democracy ltra leftism

are all spending

from a certain

a certain historical period

classical modernity and

specifically a certain intellectual class of westernized intellectual

who are trying to impose

a there who

stick

on reality to me sellensm sos i can i actually cut you off for a second house

i'm realizing that we are actually diverting from the ecan g is giving because he's talking about how the hungary and how look up to saying the hungaran fucked up right if i am getting o es why don't you keep going in g

all right

if i may

ok so this is the first point when we meet we look at not as a fearretician but as a communist who actually organizes people

so

you know we know

after

some years past

that he openly says that be fumked up

then we tried to organize this revolution in nineteen ninety

all right

mm

in nineteen

fifty six you know the so called hungaryan revolution or coter revolution

lukach was one of the main ministers

of culture

so basically when these fucking the

tnn around happened

uh regarding

i don't know

uh this regime

lookt was a prime i'm not a prime minister but a minister of culture

and uh

here's the thing

the fakin executed ibre nudge

i don't familiar with it uh

you domina

i am but maybe the audience

should know

okay okay oka okay

so oh i'm so sorry about this is the thing about ninelent you

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like i literally have no access to anything

and i've been struggling to regain

rule

this whole time

i

that sounds like a you problem but i' have to i'll have to sign out and everything will close

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because has has has been saying that

you know i could stream skyam or g t a for whatever if i had a better computer

this is a thing

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go on

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right how the folk am i supposed to you know stream off of that

there's no chance in pucking heup

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you know

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and

you know

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in which case i need at least three gigahertz for that alone

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i only have access to my windows command line that i can type commands in

i don't actually have access to my mouth

my mouse is obsolete i can't use the test

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i can only press the window key on my keyboard

and use this shit

as a command pro

so i have to fucking type of command

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has you are stuck with us

in this um

you know speaking of which if you want to provide some entertainment con she i'm really serious i here i the audience to see the w screen of this

chad i don't want the to see this

frozen

nicole belly

ya

here's the thing by the way hello i am a linux gang ok linux or how do you fucking over the english

then i mo lineux all right

so anybody

was

in twenty twenty one still own fucking meindoors

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anything do anything

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really

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that's okay

yeah i'm going to

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no

sd the classic lind

i came on

wow ok individual agency come on yeah i served the

community better by leaving

i think after that

you serve by cock

b very honestly i would have loved to antonio got a little more petty

oh personally

yeah

i was waiting for that he

you doell me go on please go on please because i fuck you love this no no and you know i think that this is a genuine conversation to be had in itself right but you know it it's a fucking live stream you know where's the entagonism you know where' is the beef

you know you would like to think they're a little to nice

i could what is in our debate

and you know but the thing is maybe it's not a question but the trouble is that you know

it's this attempt right now

to debate

other marks so of course it's going to resolve itself pretty ok

right

they need to find the right people to antagonize

like who are the right people to antagonize

that is the question who should we be antagonizing right now on the internet

considering that you know there's a bunch of like

rabid people ready to do it now

o and the follow up question is antonio o

also known as ino wvater is the right person to antagonize or not

do you think he is

no

he's a bohet person

i think that he doesn't seem like the right person to antagoniz is

i think that hyperiion is is in this focking cault

calt a cult called friendship

yeat fuck hyberdan

you wait to ging what is the cult of antonio

could you describe it to me

what are its yeah again ok what the theology

yeah maybe i could

so first of all this fuking right uh this fulking antonio more side

can i go on

i fixed it

you can ok then you can definitely go on ok ok ok

so i first of all i know this antonio wolf guy

from a chan you know

back when we were on left por on agent

this guy and he was tripped

he was a trip he was a trip bige

absolutely

it was a pretat fact

uh by the way e tomina

uh check your language you're not allowed to say fank

oh wow i'm j no

forgive me bn

oh no no i don't want your string to be demonetized

yah dude you know what i realized we're never going to be able to monetize our videos because i'll always never

i always going to copyright dud i don't care ho you wen able to monetize any of them no i want to keep copyrights

but we'll monetize our streams eventually maybe on twitch or here

we get like two hundred fifty viewers

start collecting dono

not yet

ok so so the col yes calty let's got in corn yeah let's go about the court

ya so i think that uh

hyperiion says that he

friends a w guy

but i dot think it's like that too

this a w guy has a youtube channel

which is fucking creepy

dude it's fucking creepy

did you're still online

can you at least fucking comment on my comment

saying this hober

i'm saying that a ws

you to yeah but you're saying it abstraction be

what

specifically what what are you talking about

i'm talking about that

uh how this guys channel is basically uh

pushing on people like this fuking narcissistic

mm

energy do

what

you mean when he goes to the park and he films his dog and talks

no

i mean the fa hes fucking about no i mean the fact that he's fucking creepy dude ok

you have to be fucking blind not to see

uh antonio volf's uh

uh youtube channel is farking crepy do

which one

not which one the only one the fucking youlitub channel he has oh his personal one yeah 's his personal channel though but this is the thing i be you're like up to the mike screepy like so so sorry i didn't mean n it's funny but i'm saying like this is creepy

but this is a thing i didt either

if

you are in a cault

right

if i't ho how would your response

how would you respond to this criticism

dp to us well know oll there's atally calt elements to the fan base already am i giving him money am i not allowed to see other people what's going on what are you talking about i'm saying that the fucking guy do yourvve is a fucking could do know it's just my friend we talk and you know that you know

when you mind if i interject can i ask can i say something quickly ha to clarify i'm not saying that you're running a cult here trying to start a cult i think then bases

inevitably

devolve into cold status at a certain point

yeah person and it's not a devolution but just simply there are a lot of people who maybe when you're not familiar with the concept that's always seemed kind of impenetrable to you

and someone gives you clarity on the concept

you're going to be very grateful

right you're going to be real real grateful

o and the more esoteric it is you know the cult here it becomes right so then the imperative becomes what is the creator of the content that is sort of you know giving people this very important and very good thing often right because you know something i will say you know even about say like wassh if you're some random centrist or something right you know there's probably some clarity right that comes out of

even being introduced

to certain concepts yeh but that's all i meant to say

yeah

we always get up with our enity and i will say i will say about antonio

mmhm ya sorry we're re scing ust we're always going to we're always goinga

fok with our audience and any time they think they've mastered the holy

truth of infrared

we're going to completely

shatter their illusions yeah exactly

we can

alright

what about antoni wash cho right bh chose that life

sure

this armor is ugly to

oyeah antonio yeah i mean i guess i can see how people might get culty around him based on the subject matter he's covering

i don't think so most people hate him

and me by proxy

mmhmm

ma can you what were you saying one a very s say that go

i think that infrad literally cannot become a cart for a few reasons

okay i think that infrad h is basically you know you know that there are the twelve guys or something like behind it what kind of people yeah what kind of people

a ton of lots of people lots and lots of plenty of people i'm saying yeah that's the first thing as you said that there are twelve guys behind this that's and moreover telve guys with different geological you know identiti they're from they are from russia

shot and so on thats on this basically gives a kind of rejection of becoming a court but this is the one thing the second thing being that the

cots do not become round people like uss huss honestly haek because huss you are a fucking maniac

fucking beast you are a fucking force of nature all right you you regularly criticize people who disagree with you ok this is a this is the fucking thing that drow me towards marxism the first fucking book i've read from marx

was his uh

uh how do you call that uh an english uh

ah

the poverty poverty of philosophy ok that was the first book i've read f marks

and here's a thing dude that fucking book was like a beast it was fucking polemic right markm that book was like a fucking i don't know how you say it was like a fucking beast and he teared and teared brood on to beats and yes yah

even before i became a marxist i was like ok do what the fuck is the shit about this marxism and holy shit and i read that book and was like oh my god i don't know what marxism is but i definitely know that i meet that guy fucking pierce that sheet apart and you know you let me marks andg so on

so on you have these fucking pomic texts and you can even as a

a stranger to marxism you can fain detect that oh my god this is this is about something that has verth this is something about that has value and this was the first thing that draw meto marxism

to hear fucking honest people there apart boorshit and it's so important to see

ok ok you dontina please go i was just going to say you know i certainly can relate to that right and i think the marx text that for me is what really shows that is on the jewish question and it's my favorite one to you know it it is such a brilliant you know on one hand i think materialization of the phenomena

right that would go on and you know say what you will about sauchra right for saucher to go on and describe anti semitism a is the socialism of lazy people tho was us oh my god

that's a fucking scen for me but

you don'tan m but i it fucking symphony because it's you know that on the pleasure you don't me i do you here's nothing yes yes ok please go on jewish question book and so

and yeah you know mey i hed how about now strike yeah it's ok it's perfect now so what i

going right is you know but so what could you rem clarify to me who said it originally

no no no no debate about but yeah you know that but along with that you know i think wait one i

he hello i don't know yeah okay so the person who said the

anti semitism is the socialism of idiot babbll oh yeah yeah right just clarifying things h and on the jewish question is a response to bruno bower yeah yes of course i pud im would you be so kind to give us a too long di

and by me i mean the audience a to and in theversion on the jewish question for youys do that did you know that a muslim question it's like a you have to make everything to be about dude yeah i mean we're but i actually think

it's just it's on to something you know it's describing something t us that us tell us ok let me tell you guys w we got to boy your mind i'm playing a game now so it's still s so n lawyers well very going to give it to you like in a really rough way right new so be

islam is for post madernity what youdaysm a the nineteenth century in every respect it's if you want to know the difference today in the nineteenth century compared to dowt in the slowdown what was that the thesis again the main thesis islam is islam our what judaism was for the nineteenth century all right

y

what does that mean if you want to compare in terms of the law of value in terms of the class strugle just compare theologically the jewish religion with the muslim religion and you'll know the difference between today's era and the nights

here's the question has i always wanted to ask you this are you a fucking atheist or not i mean like yeah but you know we're all we're all atheists from like a christian atheist is different from a muslim atheist and a muslim atheist is different from christian a jewish hey hi pim has is getingdusty

yeah it's true trueff my speaking to richard dawkins yeah oh yeah you mean from the perspective having gone through yh stan yeah

yet she x says something similarly like

how can we be truly atheistic if we haven't gone through christianity

yeah

but i thought you were saying in the simplistic sense that oh yeah an islamic person is atheistic towards christianity well obvious ok

now i get your point

you don't means back

okay

yeat hegel said that judaism was

i sorry islam was judaism gone mad

yah

re do like

this i was thinking like because of the macron thing in france

nar sissistically

should we in fred make islam vid

liately how's my audio no perfect it's betrea good good good good good please continue re you whatever brain ft yeah my brain part ok yes so i was going to say right that you know whoever the quote was who is the quote by i thought it was the thing i was trying to say

when i lost it bottles i was therebout bttleh ok

okay yeah but i was going to say right you know on one hand it sort of you know reveals that but then on the other hand you know it is such a um

passionate roast of you know bruno bar bauer's line of thought

o and i think that what's interesting about mark is i do think he imp like he uses irony very effectively when he uses it

yeah yeah it's sa just i don'ty it's sarcasm i mean let's be honest you it makes his fucking uh perfectly palpable

when he be sargastic

it stuff like it yes

yeh this our goverm is actually the better way to put it

he pays for his sarcasm

more like

socratic irony

he really yeah he really pays for

mmhmm

he really you

he really in he really demonstrates

why he can be sarcastic

live together or die alone

but yeah i think that wlemics are really you know such a powerful language for spreading political idea you know there's a reason why

you know manifestos still rile people up

i don't think that's true but you know there are so many now that there will never be an infrared yeah i mean isn't you responding to haters the manifesto in itself in a way yeah but there's like you know like how there's the left acceleration is this manifesto and there's the fucking

there's so many vitalist manifest tho

and here's a thing you don't me know i think that the marx is being fucking butre you know

he's acicly

showing us the dialectic in practice because we all know that this dialectic comes from greek society very in

it meant like a

a process of debate

surviors yeah and and and and and when you fucking greed marks being but heard about the jewish question fucking brood on whatever it's so powerful do once like five fucking showing us the way

and i think that the power of marx right the reason that it had a staying power right is it is able to deal with ideas in a very sophisticated way while still people like making people feel like they can do stuff

has as response to every idea now and they're just like

yeah that's the boushe that's capitalism that's the bousgeoisie could you could you elaborate on that actually yeah please do please do sems like every time there's a new phenomena there's a game there's a media anything anything i always

pray to god that marxist don't find out about it because they're going to just reduce it to some fucking formula so really cheap i've never seen and i've seen very few intelligent marxists in twenty in the twenty first century

write aboutan any analysis that was of any use whatsoever utu what is use what what is a useful and any novel analysis that does justice to the object of inquiry

it seems like it seems like marxist are almost a reactionary force and they're trying to pull this new era that's coming to be they're trying to they're like tentacles from the nineteenth century like a cracken trying to pull everything back to the nine century live stream or it represents the decay of capit like everything's about decay in the late stage

there's no sense of a novel development

being realized what what the buk does that have to do with marxism that just sounds like some like ridiculous laects no no no here's a thing here's the thing caus i haven't seen oor sorty sorty guys he's not thing you don't mean and he's nothing hauss i think what has is trying to say here

is event uh mark said that uh dyatical materialism is anything but

uh doc mathisan ya

you know

yes he was trying to say that

either this facl communism thing

yeah

reflects and works upon you courently establish things or it's nothing the's nothing

victory so i get comedismspect living and beliesing but it's nothing i think this is what has was trying to say

and i think this is what you know me was questioning about like for example no and i agree with you actually and this is this is where the origin of my sort of statement that it jls like a lot of leninists or closet left communists comes from very true you know like anothing too is like what give you uy i never called you a left communist i was never like talking about

i know what you

but like the fockw dekd if you quot be left come i don't even shu know i've never i haven't seen one marxist sy one

not one

yeah anything related to covid n w na

and after two thousand and eight all marxist said was that everything's about to collapse and they've been saying it for over a decade has happened

that's all they know is collapse and decay because

because

they're still stuck in the nineteenth century pretty much not even the twentieth centuryre stuck in the nineteenth century not even the twentieth

and everything is decay and depravity to them because that's clearly de from that model that dogmatic their head and they feel like that's an imminent

expression of decay now granted there is a decay going on

but i think itys superstructural decay i think it's the decay of ninet century liberalism

and so called liberal democracy

i think the material forces of production are chuging just fire you not saying

here's a thing that has the best part of your latest ream you know this three before this was the fucking criticism of ptte goo and it was going to be what adam curtis to yeah that was so spot on and this is my thing i thougt i missed this what was the criticism ok

uh has basically said that uh

uh proles good you know when they called tuking uh uh donald trump's so called attempt at the coup

was bush it

and has

cart it out

he basically said that dude this isn't this isn't a fucking coup and by the way

if it were a coup i would be supporting those people even that fucking capital storming that is the basic fucking marxis point of view

yes yes yes that is solidarity my be with prow it calts i was like they just repeat c n n talking points but in a pretentious and pseudo marxist sounding way

i will say though that the class character of the people you know it's not bullshit when they say that it was you know largely a sort of you know petty i for mes you issue for me is that they don't understand thatk represents ps you know talking the represent those yes that is true they're not representative that is wre they may be the cool

in the upper crust but they're still the representatives of this present it's already

yeah you know i saw like i work at a deli right and you know the owner right you know egyptian migraine you know kind of like sort of classic you know coming in from a middle class background starting out you know a solid business yeah exactly exactly and you know on one hand right

i think in terms of the cultural disposition you're absolutely right

you know it does speak to um

it does speak to you know the current condition and the current mindset you know perhaps all the working class

more in a more normative fashion on the other hand the way that the class still dictates their actions to workers at the store this is still reaction right and i think that's a contradiction needs to be worked

wich you're talking about is you

there's a few things

the thing about the owner of a

gas stations and immigrants ultimately that's going to be a foreigner you know those people are thats that's a metropolitan phenomenon

and there is not only an issue of the people the that's working for them

it's an issue of the communities their stores are

the people in those hom these tend to not be happy with these

business owners

who come from immigrant backgrounds

i'm like a i'm a fucking race traiter what i'm saying this sh is a fuking arrow yeah you yeah you know you're throwing the bbes under the bus we don't we know all i guess the is the plain truth is the plain truth

they they are seen in their community

in a hostile way so it's not just the workplace thing so i get that but i also think it's a problem try to individualize

what classes

but i don't think it has individualizations you know if i were to go talk to my you know the the

you know

replicas of my coworkers andt other you know delis right i think they'd have the same story

no i know this like ser

what

is that enough to represent a class i don't think it is

i think i think that i'm using it as an emblematic example yeaheah i know to me though to me

i don't i don't think that is where class is is what i'm trying to like that there is there is related to class which to me i don't think that is the substance of class is those kinds ok hos

educate us man class is to me now what is the side of plas hapen to be butly to understand this in this border large hyper reality type

a but i don't even you know i think p was called that but

classes very much

indirect and representational

class is not simply you point at someone and say that is the class

class is something operative at a level of a common object of some kind and at this common object

masses beco to differentiate themselves in relation to actual reality but at no point but can i but can i also say that you know and like i don not want to sort of bring in you know i think that you and i especially considering my background naturalized immigrant all of that stuff we could have a wider conversation about you know

what that kind of immigrant small business owner

plays but you know i do think quite simply right i think we can say that you know in some ways

you know a small business owner might be quicker to throw a worker under the bus because of the fact that they're running on margins necessarily ag

the chances are let's just call a space you're going to be a little bit more conservative and pro established

lethim go on do it lethim go on

but what i mean to say right is actually what i would argue right is that you know we already have something very concrete and straightforward the margins

of being a small business owner

are such that it will lead to reactionary treatment not reactionary but you know like your treatment of workers because of the fact that your business model requires

you know their exploitation

right and that is something felt

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as i've been trying to for an hour i should get go

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express my self determination by just doing what i wanted to do

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link he has

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so i i i didn't follow this uh stream

okay whenever i'm on with you

i want to talk face to face and i'm just realizing that you fuck it idiot

i'p playing fucking video games i can see you on my secon i have two monitors i don't have

new is the one monder i can see you in the chat

then one moditor i'm looking at my game

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yet

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proletarian

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made before covid and it's about coverd

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ah

i don't actually like this

like i do like it but it's like i'll do this in my spare time

but this is the thing has

i look at you and i know for the fact

that you're not a kind of gamer dude yeah

it's like it's like it's like it's like twirling

it's like a little what is it call it's like a fidget spinner so yeah

ya so you're not like you're not this obsessed kind of person who has this oh my god i want to play this shit

definitely not

definitely not dude how don't ple fok by video games fok video games or wasted time

but

it's better than

just sitting you know yes and no yes and no

i mean honestly i think the best parts of your streams are when you get no no no no no the best parts of your stream is when you go like ok i don't know whatic do and you start to bring fastion that's when i pss thepsandic and i'm like what are we going to yeah yeah

but you know fuck people living unan unnesting

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tell me

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no problem i've had technical issues every time i come on now

so ju i fuking love your comments i fukly love your uh criticism jude you should be regular guest on this show for reo

i don't think you should be guest on the show i'm t of the m you do moy a finish your point you're trying to say i heard i heard most of it but like you ended up at the bo that's an example of the bosses ho they have more interest with the treat the workers well at the end of the day because of the fact that the margins are what they are yeah they will necessarily have to treat the people in that way and when your margins are

like always stressful and you're always in a state of stress you know let's talk a little on more on the personal level because it compromises empathy right because you are thinking about your business so you will more and more start to think about your workers like objects you know in many ways you participate in the process of alienating the necessarily when you were stuck in that's i know i know these are all very common sense things i me i'm trying to say

is that this experience of that dog eat dog

like they don't give a fuck about the workers whatever that's overly personalizing

it's true but also workers themselves wich you call work i don't know if i like the word workers you know because

it's way more complicated now but

they're also eating each other you know

everyone's eating each other

m

everyone eats each other yes and no

yes and now i mean you got you got i know in like

some

among the youth there's unwritten you know moralities of some kind that they have but actually depends on which kind of youth honestly like im going be real with you i'm not an i pull guy or whatever but

like uh

minorities like my background and shit were very vicious to each other like fellow arabs arabs to arabs we're very vicious toach ya you guys throw each other under the bus all the time like i'm sorry like i hate to generalize but like you know i'll speak freely nowyh you know really speak i want one brown american to another you know yeah you guys yeat you guys throw each other under the bus a lot it's true it's true it's a very competitive culture

what's interesting though right and here's what i would say right is my experience you know communicating with

you know primarily latin american workers right

has been one

it

in which

there has been a sort of revelation in discovery of solidarity

right you know i know like money's getting foked for the owners right but we don't have the bevested interest what we know is that we're going to yell thatt

we're getting underpaid

right and i think we're sort of aligned on that yah and

we are in the midst of you know conversations among ourselves right i trying to sort of say ok sort you're in a hard spot but at the same time we have needs we live in you know a very expensive city and

right we have to

we have to figure that out because we listen listen but i think this

this establishment of common experiences at a local and individual level

i think this is a cultural phenomenon i don't think the sighte of class

is being made manifest

in the worskplace come on

i don't not even it just at the workplace but i don't think

anything i don't think this individual level was wre like this is not the substance of clas i don't think it doesn't disclose itself that way at least of courses yeah hih i don't think it

i don't think it's a question of disclosure per se right but it's more so i am trying to speak to the necessity right of certain class relations buts wre you know i am talking about you i don't know what is the primary driver

of all of this

right

mot the primary driver is the margin of a small business owner

when it comes to a convenience store which is to say that that

that produces inevitability because there is a normaty youre rg u or us ft it's common sense it's common sense

all i'm trying to say though

is that

this experience right and yes you you're buting out the reasoning for it is it because they're aspholed i know

it's not just cause the are hassles at least

i guess that you don't have to say that it's true but ultimately

ultimately this is at cultural expression

maybe of some lass realities

but it's not the site

of class distinction itself

so i what point though based on accounting per personal experience doesn' it get to a point where i can sort of move beon making the case of an individualization right how many small businesses would one need to worry abut wasally i'm been when one has as their focus

an object

completely is strained

at the outset at least

from their intir own individuality in their own experience some types of common object that's out here imm me door all this shit with

force of whatever

that is where we are finding

this reality of the class struggle

is present

and i would argue that jimmy dore is trying to sort of regd many people do about cultural individualized experiences like what i'm characterizing but forgit jimmy dos just an example

it's maybe he does but it's what jimmy do represents out there out there reality or trump out there reality

or would see it s i'm saying it's new the common denominator here is some object out there

only when we relate to this object out there you

then we can see the class distinction but the class distinction can never be related to roun say when we contrast our individual experiences

with other people and so on

soll why do you think we don't see it i feel like actually n all

you don'tsist

so so

becausescribed to me goad because because

class is not just

because we even if we are individually

a proletarian or something i think this i don't want to simplify things even iho are individually

a class right

we cannot relate to this class immediately

a an individual level is the problem

yeah

like

but at what point do you sort of move through that and you know actually

have that wider class oriented conversation

how does one acquirre class cocl be

but

but the question is right you know in the context of certain people

and i'm sorry but at the end of the day this is mark's of course we're center into the workplace like i don't know how i act like this is common sense to go right i think the workplace was the nineteenth century today

the workplace is only one factor

there's many other factors oh of course we're in an age of multiplelarity and i appreciate you sort of raising that was to say that it's not a critical sight

feels like a bit of a stretch o it's not just multipularity i'm saying the way of life defining

the relationship to the means ofion cannot only be or

it cannot only be centered at the workplace anymore no it's where you live it's your

general way of life where do you sot we're do

it's all of these things

togther not if i can interject like i don't really know why this is so controversial just because when

you kind of hear this crass understanding of

you know classes your relation to the mode of product or to production all he's saying is that

the site of production itself is not same as the nine hundred century rights not just the factory floor not i mean itll yt and i w to supirs the workers movement was oriented by the highly centralized nature of you know a labor movement that emerges from the factory right this this we're in agreement right we're absolutely in agreement about that what i am trying to say is that acknowledging the workplace as a critical site and inart

you know just simply wm you know if we're talking common sense the common sense of left is because to say that there's no working class in the left like that's full shit you know it just makes me think that you haven't come across like you know there is

there's no working class left so what does that mean what does that mean

let me tell you something unimodia when we think of class

collqually we think and what is what type of individual experience what type of individual situation

but his individual comes i would disagree with that i think about it in very social logic was reth it has to do with income please let me finish sake

and an individual comes from somewhere

and he's trying to go somewhere a barista working in a hipster metropolitan

on gentrified enclave is not the proletariat

they work in a workplace they don't own the workplace that they work at but socially speaking their parasites and why because we have to take in the totality of factors

it's where they are coming from

and where do they aspire to go

you know this this this burista

hipster barista

that is the left wing working class

this resentful petite bourgeois downwardly mobile

who

who fundamentally

is resentful at their suburban classmates that they came from

who were richer than they were more wealthy than they were

y'es what we're dealing with we're dealing with resentment and bitterness that is actually forin this type of specific resentment that gives rise to hipsters and graduate students all these people who want to become leftist this type of resentment is foreign to ordinary working class om so i guess what i would say to that rce is this an ordinary working class people for whom the worker working class is the way

of life i'm a fact worker this is y way of lifes what i live and die for it's my whole life

it's the way i make a living

they don't give a fuck about the rich they don't care about the wealthy they don't care ok so there's no such thing sorry sorry finish finishion we're saying they are sy don't care about

they don't have any sense of what you're saying of class consciousness yourly class consciousness they have would be them versus like thistblisment fake news or something you don't care about you know this interpersonal in they will individualize to say well individually speaking that bosses a piece cities and asal walkm but they're not going to draw they're not going to go from the level of inidual to the social

clas it's not enouh so i mean i can i ask you a question right when you think of working class are you thinking industrial construction yeah i'm thinking of heavy industry because that's the meaning of working class in america i see to see that's that's that's i guess one place where i begin to disagree because you're talking about something that's dying and along without the people who are undeniably

the labor aristoficcy of america considering the rise of a real estate and financialized economy there losing i wouldn't quit call the the labor reember the labor i say construction is i'm not saying maye fact they're wealthy the presans are also wealthy during the ninetent century relative to the grat militarani masses of the cities slums of course peasants

were more well off but the labor aristocracy relevant for lenin was more comparable to what we call a professional it was something that was the

coming from top down it wasn't something that was organically reproducing so stchange this populistic way the lenins

labor aristocracy was this something that was coming top down imperialist state yeah they that's the meaning of that word it was mainly targeted actually

social democratic union of the first world who were very urbanized yes well i mean where is it that you know those social democratic unions and i mean in the case of america those reactionary unions where do they live in construction and in the industrial sector the situation in america fundamentally tranies

mostly after war this is when i don't even like to see the politariy turn i just like to say marxist made the assumt that the small plot of land farmer in america was immediately just going to turns ilitary it's not what happened though

what happened that this has it was the subject of that was the subject of the time they're the ones who transformed into hasant working the situation the depravity that is faced for example by the hipster ress that i'm talking about this is a temporary situation ultimately it's not so like

way of life in a ss represent i guess something fundamentally unacceptable by both them by society a large everyone can see that the hipster barista way of life is unsustainable i think i is what going your more more time ras and i want to p you als explicitly if you don't mind because i want to respond to has explicitly here you right you know i will

actually say that like what you're saying right now in this line of thought does bother me right and i'll tell you why it bothers me a little bit because of the fact that it seems to imply that everyone who works in the service sector the only growing

part of you know sort of

the western i guess you know poor so to speak right but i just say that they're all hipsters right reminds me you a loting about what you no no no no no no waiting let me finish what i was saying i let you finish right it reminds me what you're saying the logic of it feels very personalized and it reminds me a lot of the logic of like

the condition of a worker at mcdonald's is fine because hey everyone who works there is a part time high schooler anyway

okay first of all i want to say a few things

the first thing i want to say is that i said the hipster bari

so i'm referring to a very specific demographic of people

were gentrifying

black communities and minority communities they are basically social parasites

and i consider them social parasites i don't care what their class situation is it's not personal either it's nothing personal

fundamentally f mytus analysis the're allsu as for the service industry in general

it may be

that we can consider people working in the service industry to be workers

but they're not

workers because of their workplace their workers because of their more fundamental relationship economically to the politics that subjugates them to put in such a position that they must be subjected to the service that is the site of their proletarian this

and hey

that's even true for graduate as well

but here's the difference in so fars they are graduate students

and not simply

an individual at the mercy

of the policy economically fundamentally has not in so far as their graduate students their peersy but when you look at them fl different perspective

they there is an aspect that they are in a sense terian it's just that graduate students will betray this proletarian aspect of themselves because the their way of life

is a point of distinction

oh this uh

face was

ulltarian in relation to the policy i'm talking about

when you say

i wasjt going to ask when you say parisitchism what do you mean

but what is the parasite equality of these people sure sure

my whole

fory working forym presenting

it's maybe for the first

my working idea is that today

we must

re evaluate the site of the production of value

how is value produced

in

fanction

how is it recycled as well

and to me

it's this issue of cultural production

cultural

it's so i'm trying to see so hard to present

i

to me let me try to just simplify i'm just

i'm working in my s process the brains simplify this i

he

the

let's say the black communities right

that you know hipsters are gentrifiing

they

live in such a way

that they possess some type of encounter with

the material relations of production

right

and material around the forces of production

that the hipster for example

parasitisers often

the younpster

recycles

some type of value and i'm not explaining how it is it's go too complicated

some type of value that is being produsced at this level the hipster merely takes and recycles it starbucks all this gentrified neighborhoods ex

i consider this

fundamentally a new side of lok

cool occusation

not decool occization

who occupation

it's an attempt to establish a brand new

way of life

way of life yeah

that recycles the powu created by the the type of colonialism in a way right yeah sure totally see even if you're ving rgs there or even if the hipster is poor and they're struggling you're getting by

this is their fundamental class nature

because it's not just that they're working in the service industry is not what i said

it's the totality of circumstances i just pointed to

that i think today define the sit of class

the meaning of flod

oh

i think that that was you know never not true but i think you know something important to know and i know that you're in maybe the fact that you're in michigan partly informs it so you're not sort of privy to like the big city layout of nice fky shots

but for the most part

those coffee shops you're talking about in those downarly mobile p m c bisas they usually limit you know they're usually working in fairly nice neighborhoods now i don't think that that actually makes a difference but it seems like you're basing a lot of your flast character yeah in the example you're giving on jo a lot but here the majority of them are not in that black neighborhood how do you brt what is the parasitic do you know

a lot of me is been created as me and they're living in and they're the ones living in the communities themselves

and

that's the whole point they're moving into these communities they're living in the themselves

and they're getting city jobs to support

yes and there's a lot of resentment that comes with that

may i interject for a second guys ok so this is a thing has on this issue i am on you don't you don't me you yeah yeah

uh you guys uh brought up uh levin's so called theory

ofor labor no no yeah liberty so libert

aristoclacy but this is the thing guys

i mean in real terms

can anybody

on the stream or

any fucking le mes to gives mean credit define what the fock shit means i mean honestly guys want the fok we stor labor is stu to mean first of all second befoll

uh how do this so called uh

lebor aristocrat get the so called surplus value over the third bod or i don't know can you er they were i know what is i knowbs idea they were i'm an enemis but

this is the thing

how the fok the so called labor

aristocracy gets its surplus value

over the fucking third od

cant anybody get any fucking theny ned n need this

i'm confused by the question i like what do you mean like how is it distributed or

no no no no i mean how was itct can i clarify what i was saying because i think that perhaps i misused the word right unintentionally

um and i think that i want to clarify what i'm talking about when i describe

a very distinctive phenomenon right which is the

superior position of being a construction worker in

the u s f directs ser service w

right or even an industrial work which is to say that it is one of the only growing

industries where you have a very solid union base

um

there is a general lack of concern for the well being of people beyond the scope

of said union and this corresponds with the wider critique of unions big what i would say is the construction unitupor concern who cares it's a dog dog world

who gives a shit no one cares about anyone

yeah and i guess you know part of me for marxism is trying through uman activity to

resist the impulse towards dog you dog get

yeah it you actually kind of se partisan timody it's an objective reality

you are not a good person in the sense that you're thinking are none of us are none of us are good people

but i don't think that that's what it has to do with i think it has mored imia don't you realize that for every

s bounts of money you spend on your own personal leisure

you're taking you could otherwise spent on a homeless person and had a concern about them

yeah

so we're alwas evil

that is a very different

that is a different story right because in dog eat dog you are describing an active process where is the act of non giving something homeless person is pass right and perhaps but ok i'm not saying everyone is individualole but i'm saying even if you're a good person you mo let me tell you if you have people i don't think i'm ao person listens but even if you are the person you have people know he's not

a good person do you have evile some wch you care about oviusly ok to be a good person you don't mein is a fucking bty p se a good person also y s that you have to be evil enough to protect them because evil will come the way and you have to bele to fight back i knew that already to i say pevile that i'm trying to fight against

i'm willing to be evil towards is a little bit that imposed towards tk but you have to do like it would be a betrayal of the people in your life

that you care about

if you weren't willing to be evil

tech

and you have to be evil

you know what i think is kind of

you know the the tragic thing about like dog eat dog when it's like genuinely like when you try to apply to elect context right

i think doggat dog is precisely the logic that in s you know a fot tom sliks and trotsky is parties or even marxis you know ins part of this

right you know that logic like we need i but you don't thinkole is the motto of google i mean it doesn't really matter

eah you go ahead and i agree with you it doesn't really matter well yeah the thing about the trousky is

i think i was just i that's not really what i'm trying to get at i'm trying to say

this the default baseline of this world

is that we're allso it's not like someone imposed alienation on

we are in right from one another

and he wt to the extent that we recognize each other

it's cannibalism' is the hobbs un jungle's not something that was artificially imposed by the system

it's the default state of humanity that has been uprooted

from it traditional social bond and forced to contrount one another in this jungle

hobsy and jungle

type of way you know like

i mean that's certainly a bit of like a riights deviation im it right i'm wting a

because to me

in the history of civilization

we have civilization and we have being nice and kind to oneanother and stuff

through he determin it

interaction and dialogue

that comes from having some

minimum of

human stability in life

where you can have a back and forth interaction thoes no magic radar shit

maybe eventually after a few hundred years we come to an understanding with them

and then and encounter that began as a dogg dog encounter

we've learned to

recognize one another and a dialectic in history as formed

that

whole thing has been uprooted with modernity

so

we are the default thing is dog dog pretty

right now we don't have this determint work of mutual recognition to gean bullshit

master slave mutual recognition

type bullshit i'm

thing about

that is unable to be drawn out

in a liberal society individualistic society

ah

whatsoever in it maybe in china and soviet union there is a process of that

read

to re redevelopment of this dialect

yeah i guess that's a very strong position that i don't think you can ground

in any more

language that bypasses the individual or the personal

then i could in clarifying how the petty plus was is necessarily reaction

would you meeed

plain

right like like how are you going to sort of describe to me how that you know is true beyond

the scale of the person

well it's very person it's very individual it's dog eat dog it's

fection individual

so i we're talking in the individual right i can say that i'm not i'm not saying i'm sorking i'm not say send

i'm not saying this is a class analysis i don't say dogy dog with a particular class analysis

i just said doggie dog is our reality so far as we're concerned as individuals

that's our reality

we can try to do the best as we can as individuals not to be shud other did

but there will be mone fnt with need to have to be evil

m

of course you have to be evil

right i don't think we're in disagreement that you have to be evil that isn't what dogg dog tails

what do you think i'll g dog

doggy dog entails individuals for a highly personally driven game eating chuk

but here's the problem is that it's of content

what is that game why are they folkus

for what is that game

focus

i don't think it's just because people are self

like i said even if you have a family and you want to look out for your family

and you want nothing more

then just do right by your own people your own family

you're forced to be in a dog you dot it's like

you know it does come to a point where it's like

but

you know what i mean we i mean you got to overver yourself in this world

first and foremost

you can't go rock caaring about other people we can even support and that's we to see why i think

marxis i start working class people

have such little patience for mark

when it comes to the immigration question

when it comes to the whole bullshit reging invented by welfter queens

it's not that these were true

it's just that the way marxist respond to them oh out of the kindness of your heart let's take care of each other

but most people gota look out for themselves first

they struggle enoug doing that

you know it's

it doggi dog also means i got to focus on what you know

i'm struggling care myself how m i supposed to take care of firs it was first sn be charitable new or and even if

even you know there are miracles i'm not lying there are miracles there are poor people

who are sa the blind guy who just helps all the children in the village and who'sly homeless and por like all wasisor some kind of miracle that i don't know

there are those things those are done onver discount those

but at the end of the day

it's a brutal world it's a cool it's a brutal and cold world you know so you know what this reminds me of actually is a little bit of were but in fact

right in puyerbach's account of how one's material conditions fashion their consciousness right and he says it is the material conditions that necessarily fashion the consciousness and its scope and its scill and its capacity to

imagine something beyond

those conditions thatre right i don't think i just but mar's disagrees with that

right

marks very much disagrees with that in fact i'm actually going to yield to give you for a second sort of elaborate on that

explicitly sort of disagreement i wan't b but for the sake of the audience

but i didn't say anything about conscious

i'm not saying dog dog is an element of consciousness

or some kind of

flexive position

i think dogging dog is the reality so far as individual

in their relationship to others it's not strictly a matter of consciousness

they might think about it conscous

leas somehow

in fact i think consciously most people

are good people

the on yeah' just where we're devils

o go i guess how would you make how could you tell me that that's oubjectively the case right because you know based on the level that you're talking about

i can say that look so in some ways and i think that you know and i'm going to say this and i'm going to premise by saying i'm not speaking for myself i'm speaking for the people i've met and i'm lucky to ok right but you know by nature coincidence i am a downwardly mobile person

right who has been sort of in continuous relationships and relations with the working class right and i'm telling you that is not necessarily how they're thinking right how can you tell me if you're going to tell me that that is personalized absolutely think rightt what you're saying is it how

h

would i saing that i actually don't think that my coworkers think in terms of doga dog

i think i don't i don't know this i they think in terms of it but they act like and i'm with the joker i'll prove the ath like they do act like that's what i've been asking for prove it

proves to mean that people are essentially dok you well we're right nw we're talking anecdotes and ultimately i what i will have to tell you is that

you are just naive about one minute remaining have know me nave knowo no having seen the people around you

push to the point of desperation

whether they're willing

do you haven't seen the point of necessity that gives rise to dog dog is what i would say i would say if you can't you don't know my background you can't see

that the majority of people working class are not

our dot liveing to have a force to be in a dog and dog world i wouldll consider you very nice

of course there wurs to be in a doggy dog world but i would say that people actively resent

the fact that they live an adult we all hated we all hated but we're all hypocrites too because we're all the

we're the ones

part of creating it i'm not saying they don't they like it i'm not saying they celebrate it i'm not saying it's something that they you know appreciate in any way i it's a warm everyone can sit everyone says

this whole world is falcked up

people i think injeep wants to sey let me ok on me let me all you you monia i'll challenge you with this in good faith and honesty when it comes to

your coworkers i want to speak from a vulgar perspective when he comes from the average working person and you point blank as in this are humans hobbs in or they us so so i know this ha is nothing to do with russo or hobbs but just for the sake of

since we're talking intellectual force are people angels are they douvils by'll say oh i might be a good person you're a good person but people people are people are devils that's what they'll say and that's exactly how you can see at the unconscious level that they're e i so which you see e this is the thing i think you are missing the point you don't mean is making

i think he's making a point that even though even though we are living in the structured society that has this kind of capitalist model production and so on even though this is a fact you can get you know the fucking points at the production level when you

you talk with your fellow employees you get the point that do and i'm trying to make a kind of you know re talking point or whatever i'm trying to say that i think that what you don't you don't me saying is that even though we believe in this structure society the

these people at the production level have actually some kind of solidarity between them listen if you're working somewhere with your coworkers and you've got a boss of course you're going to have

solidarity against

your managed

but it listen ginje let me challenge you

yeah doesn't matter that's a sociological issue because

if whether it's a boss earning money

or it's a corporation chain will you'll never even see the boss is just t or

or if that's a soviet owned enterprise where you just see the manager

yeh it's literally the same experience of solidarity

against the people in charge

but this is a sociological relation

that has nothing really to do with itsal relations of production

and this is why left com said

the soviet union is a bouzi society

because a the workplace level workers didn' distinguish themselves

from the people who were in charge and they did have an implicit solidary against

people in charge

but i consider this a cultural sociological that is often confused and i want to reject the confusion

uses it

from it serial relationship

this is not the site at which relations of production

really become

it serial

so well so let me cle so let's clarify something

one last thing too

to me

the site of production you have to understand

object oriented ontology almost

it's a hyper object

production is so outside of our phenomenal individual purview there is no way to pin it down with any type of individual experience

it's fucking godzilla it's a it's a big monster that you can only see the legs maybe but the minute the leg raises to make the other step it leaves your purview and you completely almost see nothing

so so here is where maybe actually this sort of eastern western marxist thing comes in just a little bit

right because what i would say

right is that

there is an element of the social relations right of being human of existing within the system

right

but

good

you know very well sort of be understood as the genuine sight more so than that object oriented on plige such that you know

when you look at the relations rate of the experience of a wage worker regardless of the proximity or the degree of centralization nevertheless you see that capacity or the self organization that forms there it's not self organization youmonia it's like the stanford prison experiment

it's basic sociological situation

if you have a group of people together

who are in a who are not in the

we're not in charge we're being bossed around i you have someone who's

divorce

even even in a listen play a game with your friends you can't do dotl in middle school you cauld play this game

i'm in charge everyone listens to me

i promise you all of your friends will become unionizing workers

against you ask that's how it happens it's nothing nothing you do't need marks to understand any of this f because this is not where class is

y has how how is this different from what we are seeing in

uh google for example

the google employees start to organize and you that's my point'ust

grats woil grats and if

they were in a soviet owned enterprise

it would be sad i'm the

fuck and you guys are almost making you want to side google one int rmming race

against these uh

the saboteurs forin funded saboteurs sabotaging the socialist motherland

you can listen i know this is bad humor osten you can have two perspectives

you can have the perspective of the manager

we need to get the shit done

we need to execute the plan

or you can have the reerspective of the subordinates

in but thic sud get it twisted

this is not the same thing

as a class different

now

most of the time

the proletariat is going to be on the sie is going to be associated with the person in a supporting position but my issue is the cia invented idea

that being in a subordinate position in a hierar such or even a soviet military is somehow a class distinction i think french people

who are trying to sniff their own ass and

visualized so directly inxs relations of production

the french fucking

hipsters were the ones who invented to say oh but you the boss of the communist party and you know what

ok but you are the oss of the communist party

and i'm going i'm going to goup because you're forcing me to

distribute pamplts and this is exploitation we need to unionize i was here already answered

the anglo let's not add another group ant is aing i mean de cart i feel like is a critical element of the anglo can so in a way the french of alreadyven touched

so i'm going to be the anglo here

and theh for s fucking definitions

soh

exac e i know i know somebody has to do it if you ma be sorry fuking for fucking example

van hahuss says that the faki i don't know google worker

who you know

produces some cold isn't protariant but i'm sorry

but according to the round definition

of a protariat perfectly a protariat do

we disagreed withbout

word

no

not

you think about it

my issue is that

it's not a work i don't i don't think apach

i think a proletarian maybe someone

ok there's two options we can draw from

here's the thing then we can just say

the marxist proletaria is transformed so radically no longer essentially even understunll anything about today's ok so i don't want to sy i don't want to see that et me this is what i was waiting for this is the moment i oh my god you the revisionist you got me i'm a revisionist

i don't want to see i do want to see

but i do want to say though

is that marxist proletariat

first and foremost was defined

in terms of the least quantum of unskilled labor

the least brer to entry

to getting hired if you're someone who just got

lost their land and wild right so what today i mean day but that could that was able to be indexed in terms of the workplace today it's not only indexed into the in terms of the workplace

it's indexed in terms of a multiplicity

of of

in gn g gn g g i don't think

one s y ya and then also

o it's index in terms of those things

and also another thing that's

fundamentally inexorably part of our societies today

is that not only do we have uletarians today

we have an official socialist mechanism of the state to responsibli wh means the blltarian position at its most raw naked and fundamental is actuor unacceptable position in our

de liberal democratic

post world war two society

everyone i thin

whenever there are y whenever there's a mass of proletarians road direct proletarians

this is recognized by society as it's as a pricesri

people need to have every technocrat understands

that people need to have stability people need there needs to be a middle class

jeets not to for simplify not do over someply and honesly i don't know if possible agree with this take

but the way youre talk about three versus one now you'retraying we are we are one units we're one unit so if i say something that you he's going to have to agree with me i we're in the same bt right a right ready no look proletaria i don't want to i don't want oversimply proletariy is always instantiated concretely right just like negation right

s or anything it's always concretely instantiated but it's almost a condition right think of orphanization with time u proen marku proletarianization he's talking about what he's talking about substantial bonds that are being broken down communal bonds and these people all sudden orphanized if you want i don't know if it's a word right orphan

ok that happened we have a whole video on this right politically that happened in france when we talk about this you know expansion of what it means to be of of of you know outside the workplace that's all we mean is being cut adrift from substantial communal bonds that's why you should think when we talk about the

you know the reemergence of of a kind of new working class white picket fence or like soviets soviet citizen right the new soviet man i think in terms of waves right it's you have a congealing

ok and then you might and then you have a corresponding with a new revolution in the force of production a new proletarianization right

it's this is the same thing as mark we're not saying anything new we're putting in a different way because we think that the way that marxist have put it for the past century has not been able to capture this process which marx was already saying ok so i think i agree with you actually in a very real way and i just i'm going to try to short because i think but basically what i agree with actually like the differentiation that i'm trying to make is that you know

to understand it as that condition

rather than in this sort of object oriented frame as i believe as i understood poss characterize you know grace and so i wt like that too

no no but but but this is how i understand it so what as i understand it yes there is a degree of that displacement that has occurred maybe even a strangement is the right work rd from that workplace

however the disagreement seems to be for me that i think that there are absolutely new sites that need to be considered and engaged and perhaps even prioritized in terms of organized action but to say you know the workplace you know has become irrelevant as a site of revolutionary potential that feels often you know and i take bck from the fact that i

really do lok ok no but but look but maybe if redundant is is is rubbing you wrong just think about it as superfluous it's subsumed by processes which are a that are blarger than it ok because all a sudden what you have in the tweet century ok is you have an expansion where you want to sup a growth of of state power of mistery power right

that subsumes these kind of institutions ok though the workplace is like one unit ok if you want to think about the kind of socialistic way it's one unit of this larger web land econmyk that's that that'sly something i didn't see it i want i want to think in terms of i actually want to re because i w i would say something to grace and specific is that that kind of subsumption you're talking

the right is if you go and look at the commentar and sort of like founding statement

right it's essentially based on the fact that this absumption seems to be the trend that our world is going and that with that in mind right this is partly where this idea of because lenon wasn't afraid of using the word st capal stright he was never afraid of the work right and you know so i will say that to my own feelings about the soviet union right and the reason i get bringing up the closet i

thing is because of the fact that i myself used to be a left communist right i myself used to be a left communist too actually byck lesses

i think i did too when i was like

in edgi

fur finishs let him finish go lethim finish lehingm finish

but i want to say something youyeh ting finish first ok ok f ie go i don't forget but that you know the end even with the left communist though the issue that we're eg

had with state capitalism

wasn't so much the state capitalism in itself though that was critical and you know in developments and certainly in the more dutch german

variance you see a greater concern with the motor production be i think his big thing was that it

that in the manifestations of state capitalism is clearly not in service of the proletary

and henn it was keey about saying what is our difference

it is class control

that is really what separates us from saying the pressre

state capital sector but i think i think another it's great there's two things i want to see i forgot the first one

the first one though

okk i think i remember

the first one thoug is that

lennin

when lenon use words like state capitalism iss

he wasn't really again lendon and marx and angles

they were never strict about the use of these words hen would say it socialism

it's taken

he've got to understand the context in which he's talking about to me n it sid socialism is when the government does st literally yeah eah yeah yeah

yet has you nother ssing what he just said no i did i did i did i did i did knowo you don't you are not aressing what he just said what you say but what

maybe i didn't maybe i'm not getting to it yet i was on the idea that there is an explicit reason

why the um

why the commentor un took the planning approach

right and part of that was to address the issues of subsumption that were heur we im responding to grace

the r of the planning approach in terms of the soviet union's policies or

the common urance policies the common turn how to e

only their own organizational planning policy

we're talking au

no no in terms of what they're saying what is what is tomorrow going to look like when we take control

oh yeah they were there inspired by german imperialism

absolutely but so what i need to say right is that gras and i would say that you know are the

because those guys really in a way right you know communism i would argue begins with

with you know the commentter

and you know with the bulshevism and all of that

right

truly like communism like as like quaqua munism

right people calling themselves a communist party

yea yaeah

you know but what i would say is that somebsumption to an extent is already being

accounted for in the analysis of capitalism mearly twentieth century

so don't you think these things may be more relevant to the present day still right then you're giving credit to here is here's i want a grace

i don't know you're good

this is what i would say to that

first of all i want to this i want to mention the simple reproduction

i hate the word subsumption because if anything capitalism is what

has been

the issue with absumption

is that

that in the common urns analysis up to the third period

of what was happening

they still believe that the mortal engine

j using that word from the movie the real engine

of the forces of production in the

fundamental material rations of production

was nineteenth century capitalism

all that other stuff you were talking about was just a layer on

based

consider

overgrown layer on top

right

what i'm saying is that they identified a trend in the early twentieth

right i known't and what i want to assess is did that what right but they were st bill anchored down

from the launching pad perspective of the nineteenth century

they still saw those that new trend as an overgrowth

from nineteenth century capitalism

but at no point did they get to the point

of the delusan repetition

which means they never got to the point where

this new trend

came to redefine the premises themselves

and

and at the point in which the worker the proletarian

on the sde of the production of value the commodity form

these things were qualitatively transformed

by the premise was transformed by the conclusion

in other words

and i like to use the word simple reproduction to

further illustrate graces

point

that he was making

you have to ask the question

what is the actual side of production in our society

the simple point i think both of us are trying to make

is that the workplace is no longer the essential site at which

value is being produced

value thats w should do it that's i don'tf n know listen listen listen

listen it's not i mean

it's not i because all company b they do it has

if you try to go against that

you are basically going against basic marxist yard we're going against the dogmatic

marxists we got no where it woulds the marxism what have thes no no no because we just think we are insisting

this is the essence of marx's discovery as applied to the twenty first century

we are insisting continuity with marx and lenin

because the differences

if we were to reject marxism we were to we would be saying that marx and lenin were wrong in the

in their situation

they were not wrong

they had no reason to make the analysis that we're making now

because not only was imperialism and seen as an overgrowth

in lenin's time it actually was this objectively so lenin was right

he was psed single question that is that you produceed today

that's mic so good question it's a good question

i can't give you with a

a satisfactory answer

all i could try to do is get

the ball rolling gets your mind rolling

i haven't in an airtight way

i'm not i haven't

created

marxist capital two point zero we don't have an airtight way of looking at it but what it is but it doesn't tied up with the idea we have of victory of socialism right w were value production under socials which goes back to stalin you know the production of value is indexed at the level of the pol

so to me but what does index inex means index means this

at the so the production of value in the nineteenth century is in debth

can be observed and the

measured almost

at the level of

the commodity form being produced in the work

this

but this is what made someone an economic subject

producing value value was indexed

at this site

to me

the site at which value

the contradiction between value and price not kind of stuff

is asserting itself

is at the level of the polits

at this level almost of of

i don't want to say government and state

because polity is a bit more

complicated than that

but at the level of the politics

that's why i had the concept

once of the worker citizens

and when i was doing an analysis of the yellow st

today

it's not just a worker you have the worker citizen the worker citizen

doesn't only

that doesn't only acquire subjectivity economically or in a class way

at the level of the

the workplace and the wages and all that kind of stuff but also in terms of the

the the

holistic way in which the state

it relates to them economically

as as not only

in terms of welfare and benefits and public schooling all that kind of

stop that came after world war two

but also in terms of

the expectations

that

the economic expectations

a

i don't want to see imposed because it's a kind of

like a

charged word

the expectations

given

to an everyday citizen

in terms of their ec the way in which people are interprelated economically

by the state that's how

ok so here's the thing first of all

i don't need this fucking detour

to the state

second the foll no but that's that's the point let me finish let me finish i don't need this fucking detur to anything dude

yeah as a marxist

i know perfectly well

that

value is being produced

andt

a tangible level

no

ok the you know how it's response to

the ok wom of christ is and

marxists today are crusaders

they're looking for the substance they're looking for the tangible site

i told you the french guys who were trying to find it at the sociological i don't needo substance to know that i need sheep to eat

ok but i you have not found but but listen gje you have not found the substance of marx's

i don't need a substance

i don't need the substance i just know in that you i needn geen jeep

ok i know haws doesn't like subsumption subsume ok but it doesn't matter

even eating has been subsumed by a lot of things on top ok information flows ok even tied up with the state with the all this stuff is oil you know just think about oil like to even eat somethings tind of all these global networks all these things which are which are instantiated politically you know get

it's a perfectly ok but you're saying but that is not the

addressing the issue at hand ok itch being that

wre

fucking value is being created

you know what i would tell you gnj

valok at being created

when you're eating

what do i mean by

right

the more ab you ogar and ho intentional you want to intentionally

you know drawing lines you are basically

bushe thing about that alu is be going not go not go not yes i me you i'm trying to make it understandable to you

the most base site

we can imagine materially based sites

sensuously based site that is conceivable to us

hunger thirst how we eat

how we cle with ourselves

how yeah how we how

shelter ourselves

how we have these basic things

that yeah that are so immediate and so on

the only way we can relate to these

today

the only way these can be related to are given their proper justice

is through the highest form of

bullshit abstraction i'm talking about

the state the digital economy the

attention economy boasts

this is precisely the site at which

we can actually you

we can actually relate the highest and the lowest correspond

when i'm not only saying

there has been the highest abstraction

the highest abstraction is also deepened our relationship to the lowest which is the eating and stuff you're talking about

i'm

incorporeal society where there is no substance

and there is no

there is no concrete

you know kind of

sensuously tough reality

i'm saying for i see the contrary

all right but there's a difference between relating to something and how it is done

and n mark says that value is being created by productive work

it's not about relating to shit doing but di last time when we debated this

for you yet productive work

can only be measured in terms of

discreet

tangible commodityes

i don't how to measure it by the way but any case yeah please go on terms of tangible commodities

objects so objects in the colliquial anglo

right i'm not

i actually didn't gd you just talking about abstract believer a little bit

as i understand it maybe clarify

well what does what does they have to do

clear

i mean he's talking about labor

no but he's saying right and he's talking about the time

you know and he's talking he's saying he's saying he's saying value was only being produced in the production

of tangible commodities

discreet o

it doesn't have to be a tangible object by the way

you know on that stream i perfectly said that

uh we are on the level you gave

uh in this uh

introduction to capitol one

level so yeah of course

and

tangib tangible goods don't have to be on this level of uh

fucking you know material things services also

uh productive work

by the way

you know

ok

at that point i was trying to seem simply simplify something how can how do you draw the distinction between productive and unproductive

the difference being that productive labor is something that creates

something that the

is h socially a uh accessible

to anybody it can be a service

it can be a a tangible good and so on you know

but nothing is a c e o does that

what do you mean by that a c

ultimately contributes to the management

and some kind of administrative function of their company

and the company ultimately has as their

i

consumer society as a whole

so

i don't see how a c o does anything like that honestly they serve a f you don't agree that they serve a

a

tions of course they say a function maybe you could sort of clarify the

the

you know sort of what is the sort of productive element in something that might be considered you know like with intangibles

could you maybe elaborate on what is it that might make that kind of

um

to make that kind of work

productive

w dmony i don't want to interrupt before haz starts on you asking

i'm asking the g

ok i'm asking oh

yeah for sure

so basically

we are living under capitalism no she do

h

and this system

uh has a so called the distributive system

uh called uh a market

all right

so here's a thing here's a differentiation between a productive and unproductive worker

a non productive worker

is basically someone who either

contriyboods

uh to

uh this system

uh being

uh

going on for example

if you go to a i don't know what you visit a fuck in

walmart or something

if you go to almrt

uh the

uh lady at the out they goll this uh

register

the register yeah check out yeahy the leader the check out a the register is not a productive worker

she's basically doing a simple thing she's basically saying that

p but p but p p

you are nowh way granted this fucking meit of goos you have purchased but what she

but i thought the service sectors also produces labor

yeah but the

he's spelling that out now

yeah is

there's difference between service

and there's a difference between basically being the part

of the distributed

sympth ya ya exactly exactly

i don't know

yeah yeah

he's a thingcause he's a thing cause

putting all of the shit behind

you know you know

a

what

first of all i ask all of you and you know i know that you you and you you know all of these idiots who are in this session

all of you are a fucking leninists okay

ies i ask you the simple guesture

the labor stock

yeah yeah

what the fucky is that shit so i corner you and now you have to corner me back

i don't mean to use it in the leninist way i regret using the praising

yeah i regret using the presin you actually give you an answer

okay please do

ok

so

for lenin

the surplus value being recycled

leniny he doesn't he doesn't spell it out in a direct

very clear

but the basic idea for lenin

is that the super profits being generated by imperialism

i

does lenin say that the super profits correspond

to the exploitation of like

colonial work

i don't think so i don't think he does either

i think lenin

interprets the super profits

not as the result of some new exploitation of

i

whate yeah

so for him

the labor aristocracy is not just an economic reality

but it's also political

it was the in was trying to describe why is it that these trade unions

becoming reactionary social sovenist

patriots

and for him it was very simple

the imperialist super profits being generated

were being distributed

to the upper crust of the the

the trade union whatever establishment

prolitaried work

class

by the imperialistic bureaucracy

so ok but thes dat but you your dat about that well

in terms of the date

so i'm going to try to

redeem lendon

and also it's going to sound like i'm a revisionist to

so at the level of the i don't actually think the phenomena lenin is

talking about

is actually controversial i think it's very clear for example

we may not be able to point out that this is the result of the exploitation of colonies directly

but we can at least agree i mean i i can't prove that right now but let's at least agree with the

fact

that it is true that in excess to the proletarian subsistence of the ninet

century

clue there were some kind of

excess ofver

wealth that was being reproduced

redistributed in some kind of way

to the broad masses of the of the population this is the

okay but to in the realistic tense okay but in realistic t uh terms do

that

what lenny says about the so called neighbor

it istkracy is saying that you know there's this fucking let's say

i don't know

france

france has colonies

on africa ok

and

somehow

value or whatever is being

pushed aside and pushed towards these tucking workers in france

how is it happen how is it happening he's saying that is the su is it happen he saying the super profits

yeah theref but therefore you in realistic terms how the fok

does

you know my so called country having the

colonies in africa

transfer

the value towards the fucking borkers

i don't think it ha wait wait wait wait wait

i think

well that's why i asked before about the whole thing about the sircle a

but

anyway i

i think it's really hard to describe

and he's got s like i'm both sitting here

not and i think i think it's hard to describe

because i think it's wh when i talked about

in the

introduction to capitol

about the revolutions

in theed

threshold i think that i use the word the threshold

the revolutions in the in

what did i call this threshold

the threshold

uh of

value that can be produced

what is a revolution in the forces of production

remember i said a revolution in the forces of production

is not just the technological change

it's also a change in the way institutions

relate

to

the people

demo

we late to human beings right it's also a revolution in the paradigm ship

' the contraday of ways and so on and so

i think it's

lenin's point can be redeemed in this way

it's very clear that in lenin's time such a revolution such a revolution in the forces of production

was underway

the communists were interpreting it as the arrival of arrival of socialism

i

but a revolution in the forces of production was underway

which transformed the threshold of value

that is capable of being produced so

become a countervailing tendency

to marx's

falling rate of profit

a new threshold of

the creation of surplus value

was somehow opened up and enabled as possible

when lenon was talking about the labor aristocracy

he was describing a formation that emerged from the top down

that redistributing the fruits of and recycling the fruits of this value

in such a way

that the

was politically conducive

to

a

to imperialism

i think the can maybe was taking issue with

what's the mechanism for es division is y

b begin geep begin jeep

that applies to the workplace man

ok i mean that applies the workplace to like

that that same thing

it's not you can't track it's not as if you know you have a worker and then you are you can track his concrete labor

and find out where that profit ends up it's a

something that's what it's about abstract human labor okay

grace sel

is not taken sorry i have to respond to gason yes and your point is not taken

but

explain to me in the realistic terms

how the folk

let's say

my country owns a fucking colony

in africa hungary right

yeah whatever you

okay so my hungariyan country owns a

fucking colony let's call it nigeria wll dot be politically correct

ginjy

for the sake of the theory

ove that street

say in the

in lendon's time of imperialism because we have

ok think point that should be the best yeah n know you it's a worthwhile point you're right but let's let's say that my hunger and country you know the fucking

bourgeois assauls

o on a fucking

colony in africa

if i am a fucking bker in hungary

how does that valve

transfer to me

because uh let mean so called theory theory

about these borkers the

he switched to his phone he switched to his

so how does how does it transfer to me how does this so call it we am sorry i'm sorry go my

my computer lags it's

it's an old h p just repeat like lesson and

oh no if you could repeat problem so

if i'm a uh

civilian in a fucking country that has a

colony in africa

how the father so called bath

transferred to me as a worker

butin g i know if you're worker

mechanism explain to me

how i am let's say affcectory verer

that

become

more in the east by my so called country having a colony in africa

begin j

i do actually think i'm sympathetic to that analysis and soo far as

you might be able to take

to make better demands with your trade union

you might you know

based on what based on what the n know it's very simple it's much more sl i think that the other element is also t right that you know i mean's it is from a time when you know industrial production was centered in the imperial court

right and i think that is one big part of it as well

yes no no ginj ginji i just want to know how does that not also apply

if you if hungry is just normal hungrery ok you're in your own place been the cart by the car pathions

how does that not apply to just normal factory if you're into this production how does that not appla just normal factory how do you track

if you gin ge are a humble factory worker

okay

how does that how can you trk you can't track the profit the value in this way that's not how value works in marx

no

but it's not something that you can

i'm sorry go ahead i'm still asking

for a concrete

ah

h

example of how i am as a so called

a labor aristocrats

in you know a factory worker

gets this so called surpus value which which which is by the way which is i think has said that it is a political term i mean labor aristocracy is politically instantiated it's not yet absolutely but this is one of the thing i have been debating ha

you know i debated has uh b h about this so called uh bm c

yeah

and then we arrived at the conclusion that oka b m c is literally not a thing what is it thing oky so b m c is not a so called

actual uh

a theory or actual position inside the marxist class analysis is not a real class

but it's a political something

and i get the feeling gray sun

that the so called labor aristocracy is basically this

with lenning wait wait then i

i'm sorry god really quick i would just add though

to me it to be a theoretical nerd

i think there are only two class

this of course of course yh

we can't make concrete analysis

going off of that

means nothing

only to speak of the proletar in the b to classes are to orientate

maybe bad way putting i see his two orientations and lennon would agree with that i think lenon would agree with that you i think lennon would say

you can't think in terms of it are they the proletariat or are the a bugoisie

he did in the peasant

in his in his work on the peasant economy of russia right was he was explicit aout

yeah

everybody

to brace as would

fucking agree with the fact that we have absolutely two classes yet the penicides no i mean it's not just that i you don't even have to put it in this loaded way

all it all all classes i tred to introduce in communism sitting class

all class begins

actually

not from economic humanity

guess what from what

you what class begins from

class begins from the republican citizen

of the trench revolution

this is the distinction that gives rise to the meaning

class di

before this

there's no real way to make lives difference

tew it's

ok all right

but i'm still

lacking a fucking response to how this supposed colony of my hungarian country that's wh

no it doesn't suck actually i i i'm thinking that the learning was wrong on this isage right

no no he wasn't wrong

ok then please explain to me do when you begin to explain it just like grayson said you couldn't explain it at the level of the factory either

yeat but here's the thing

as a political category i perfectly agree that there's something wrong or something different

with this o kind the western left

okay

let's agree here

but what the fok how the fok well let me tell you let me we didn't do an intro to imperialism but let me tell you what i think is the situation today

today i said imperialism is super

what do i mean by

every country is imperialist in the sense that

the mechanism by which the population

value is transferred to the population

is no longer through the direct

the direct some

relations of wage

wage labor at the fact

every society is based on

the cartel the state or something like that redistributing value

back into society

in a way that

is indirect from the conditions of values

reduction in the word

so that has but as a rocky american

age laborer let's say that i work in a fucking factory in america how the fock

does it benefit me as a age labor early enough to be in america w at the good old american way

you american good old american

you for example pay taxes you don't know where the fuck that should go

but you see it back in your everyday life and you don't know how

it goes through the bureaucracy and it comes out the other end

ah

in the most vulgar sense possible that word

in a way that you just can't see

and i think the same thing is true for value

the way in which you're seeing value being redistributed

in society

you it's just like paying taxes you don't know where the fuck that she is it's going through a whole

digestve system and coming out the other end

unrecognized

yeah and maybe ok it's a shittier analogy i'm going to regret this is but the whole points look not the whole the whole point though is with the whole twentieth century the entry exit point

is way longer right like a human centipede or something

that's kind of how it work it's perfect

the fucking human centipede

yeah

yeah but basically has you just said that uh

the state

ds shan

and forget it it doest be the state it could be the cartels it could be some central organ

lennon was talking about these big

bureaucratic corporate

whatever institutions

yeah but i'm telling you that leting whats wrong you do not you don't understand what you trying to say

no i perfectly understand i actually read

he i don't know if you don't tate whn he talks about this so caer labor it sy that

that that's indirect from the conditions of production

boy can i ask you a question actually quickly

please do

do you think it is a question of lenin was wrong on that or this is actually a case because it is sometimes true

right that

there are concepts that you know were articulated that you know became obsolete

right is it possible that this is a case of a concept where in its original articulation it was

relevant and it is less relevant now in terms of how things have changed in the ok to s question my opinion is that le me was wrong objectively

when he told about this so called the labor aristocracy

in the so called st or whatever

but that doesn't matter

as i have debated with us you know

uh there's this uh subjective level

which says that yeah

there's something wrong with this fucking

the vester left

as we call it

yeah

for sure

but

for

h let me uh

so called the

a labor aristocracy was some kind of you know stopgap at thealysis

for for fun thing it served the purpose

it served the purpose of giving us some kind of understanding by the leuft

in the western countries to know know youo but ast but but on the other hand

uh it was objectively wrong

because

literally nobody can fucking down me and i as hars and i has fucking grey son

how the fox

supposedly

i as a factory worker in a fucking factory in so called

master society get the reaches or the f sorry but you're like a guy who's asking likek on show me the fallls

you can't do it man i can't show you the fellt

yeah you right yeah

but are we going to make this shit into like a ginje but it's such a big can of worms you're asking because you also have not told me how this works int just a normal factory you know

yeah it it's a

the you're asking a question about value and i think you're taking value

i think your idea of value is too substantial

you view as like some thing that's like traveling through a circuit which maybe the human centipe example does a bad job of

explaining but

i think value for marx it's not like i'm working or something and then all of a sudden like

w i can you can qut you se a quantum you know it's just it'sr time in the a i don't see how you had this in me yt

you but you said i agree with how abouth disagreeing here

oh o o but because you're making it seem like this is an issue with lenin but if you're bringing up that point i can also just talk about

value produced in your own country so you're not arguinginst lenny you're arguing against

you're not making argument just open the question of what is value

basically you like it that way i mean that it would be an interesting discussion to have

uh verm

god

how you say you produce ok that the great song i did that

but stal how the fox

as a factory worker

am i

h

uh bad a sitting

from my so called country having a fucking colony in africa but w i me gs

another thing too is i think

the practical significance of that question i know it sounds like i'm boths sitting being around the bush

but let me just interrogate

yes

i think the practical significance of the question

it's basically in terms of

you're imagining

if you're telling a worker this

how would a worker relates to this in terms of ther consciousness on a direct level how would you make it

intuitively clear and sensible to them

terms of their everyday surroundings and environments

how do you tell a worker that they're

exploiting the african colony

is that what you mean

no no no i disagree with this point that say a factory worker in france is actually exploiting disagree with it

but i think your question is coming from the perspective of i a factory worker

how am i seeing the result of

but i think that's more of opticspllo how am i benefiting how m i benefiting from this in reionistic terms but

you know i agree with you that in terms of the political optics it would not be useful to tell

workers that that's

king

but it's alost is one thing but but but there is a discontinuity between

eight

concrete material class analysis

and the the necessary

methods of dissemination and

propaganda talking points that are necessary to win over a country's majority

you know

when you when you tell workers for example let me tell you something in

america's objectively race

it just fucking

right

but is it useful is it really useful to go and tell working people that they're racist

no it's not

you know you have to recognize the thisctin not penty of b people experience races not is the thing on the other hand right but you have to also admit the majority of people in america are white

so there's that

but what i was trying to say is that

what i was trying to say is that the

when we cannot

it's like science ca actually reminds me of science in general

isn't of a lot of the problems with science today

that everyone is trying to individualize it like

scientists will come up with some conclusion in their lab

and then people immediately try to apply it personally

and that's the problem it's like

you have to recognize there's a difference between the method of acquirity

inquiry in the manner of presentation

there's a difference between those two things is a necessary discontinuity

not everything not every result of marxist analysis

is a form of

propaganda we ship

out to the working people and tell them this is the truth

yeah but my point was being that i want to go beyond propaganda i want to go beyond the subject level

for example i know for a fact if i'm a factory worker

how the fucking bush are

is exploiting k ok and ok i don't you but maybe shoeld do here's it yeah but

but

here's

yes but when we give you

that precise sociological reduction is exactly what the cia invented

probably against the so

because you could see this sid of thing me going into cia that you caln see the workers are also exploited in the soviet union too by that same loge

individual

sorry go ahead i

yeah but this doesn't that's my basic point

do that uh somehow as a country as a citizen from a country who owns a parking yeah you could colony

somehow according to lelin i'm somehow a

fucking the labal aristocrat

what's what's the actual no subjectivizing

sjus

no

is saying people are

it's that it would not be in good taste

to say

you guys are labor aristocrats on the other hand

when explaining the phenomenon of social chuvinism and opportunism

there you could see

the material

class stakes of this correspons to this is the labor aristocracy

it just depends on the contxt

ok but but

dream and s economic

mechanism makes me a aristocrat

as opposed to i don't know the fucking colony we

our country owns

no one is directly in arisk

grand

personally an individual you cannot individual

it's not something you can individual

you can only begin at the level of

this

individualized

analysis

and then when you want to get into cultural and sociological analysis

before you can

if you want to talk about individualsing talk about freud that's the individual

you know i like tou forro it but first i would like to understand how mu if

my country owns a colony how

me as a worker benefit from them

and this is the question you not not not be i friend it's not you are not able to answer question it's not dow me wait me it's not that you benefit

just that to the extent

to the extent

that

you

possess social chuvnis tendency

in relation to your country

cultural cultural thing chauvinism or racism or in me make clear not not chauvinism in the cultural sense

but in the sense of lenin of

why are that why did the trade unions become so opportunistic

and so

c as and so on yeah

so i

the reason basically you would you would look at it from that perspective

you wouldn't say that they're directly benefiting it you would say

to what extent

has imperialism become a part of

people's lives

it's not oknefit from it

it's just that

it's become part of the live

livelihood many segments of the working class

and it's not that the

you know we don't have to get into representing it in terms of a politics of resentment benefit

who doesn't

it's just the fact that it's become a part of how they reproduce themselves

daily

way of life

if i if i listen in i want to say this

but i know it's wrong so not

ll when they go to the grocery store and they buy the banana that's yeahyehd it and this was thing i would have said sorryas on you may be the next sorry

h

this is the thing has

and whenever i confront you you know that i have a you know kind of i love g ok yeah yeah yeah

so here's the thing

for me to answer my own question about the so called neighbor

it is deocracy

this will be my answer

markets are being opened

that is all

so you know if my fucking country has uh a

uh colony

let's call it nigeria i don't give a shape

let's let's say that my country has a colony nigeria

the only benefit i

as a good good as affected in g gin

yes

a brkets being opened

responded is and i get access to bananas and i know i know the banana point is wrong i know it's wrong

the banana point is actually on point n y yes yes it's very on point yeah i'm n know but i don't agree with it i don't agree with the banana point i think the banana object is i'm saying both true

can i can i diverge the topic a little b i s as gy someon can say something sundy grace ok wow ok

no i was going to say look i don't know if you know but the guy that coined labor aristocracy

yeah butkons

i think it wasn't even lenon lenon and it len didn't use in the same way exactly

but but the way when he was saying it the economical aspect because it does have an economic

component for lenen

when he lays it out initially

ok but this whole idea is that because you're asking how is it that i can jeep i'm in hungry i'm working i'm not in the

in swaziland or wherever i am in in afri hungarys callon me how is it that i'm benefiting

from this how my labor air stef

you know aristocrat

exactly it's not but for lenon it's not like all of a sudden the

you are benefiting from this wealth directly it's that for lenin the following rates of profit

that are offset by imperialism

allow your own domestic bourgeoisie

to afford you a higher standard of liv it really i don't knoww how much simpler it is than that i don't want to

yah

make it too vulgar like ok let me just say one thing

here's what i want to say

he that i want to

when it comes

to

i

i'm forgetting i'm'm remembered i remembered i just kind of forgot it lost the thought in recd any second

sec one

emer but remember

talking aout bananas

we're talking about ok yh this is what this is this is what

gje the reason why there's a laborers stock wasce it's very simple

the threshold of proletarianization which for marks means

a freshly orphaned

freshly orphaned

the least quantum of simple labor

change

the workers

right

became institutionalized

they were no longer proletarian

class of

because the threat w prolitarianization changed

because why institutional revolution

that change the rum the highest relationship between the lowest and the highest

the highest form of

technocratic in

sorry technological institutionalization

was no longer the factory

it was some kind of bureaucratic whatever

and the

substanceless proletarian

that was the subject of this

new threshold

was no longer

the previous factory workers

the factory worker of the ninet century

became institutionalized

in the form of trade unions and all that kind of stuff

that's what i would say i would say they became institutionalized

and the threshold of cod serinization change

now were the were the new proletarians

directly the africans in the colonies

probably not

but

it's kind of more realistic to me to say for example

it may be the new proletarian subject relevant for german imperialism

it was the slavic presans who wanted to do the german imperialists wanted

ver engaging in the process of organization

so it's things like that

every

threshold a threshold that is a revolution in the forces of production

is also

changes the threshold

of a civilizational difference between east and west i'm getting to too much red thos

but

for example

this is why mal critique the soviet union as soviet social imperialism

because somethingre actually happened in the soviet union

that left the chinese masses as the substanceless

subject in relationship to

soviet

initutionalized

social

which was actually

what prevailed in the chinese cities

and which was the whole impedus and thrust of the cultural revolution

but has you know very well that i have fuck in philosophy diploma and whenever we come from a

point of view of discussing actual

processes you know economic processes and we go to what going to give you what

and then we goal towards these kind of ok subjectiviy one of i don't give a shit i need you to aswer the single fucking question which you can't

because that name was wrong sorry

but your question is wrong question how the no my question is not on w a fk said mark said i fucking i'm a fucking manny

mark but let me let me once wrong do no no no all marks a marks we saw it was the way but a is the cssy action i'm going to tell you what mark said mark said

to the question

who begets man

was god and who beget nature

blah blah blah do and then len it and then marx said mar

mark said your quest what if that question is wrongly put

and that's i'm telling you

what if your question is wrongly put

but it but if

us here's a cotr purpos of mony

lending was wrong wn carerib be wrong i'm sorry what can i ask a question related to what you're talking about that is a slight divergence

like in

yes because it does feel like it's going in circles

nw

my well i have two questions right one i think might be better content and the other one i think seeks to clarify what i've been hearing

um

the one that seeks to clarify what i'm hearing is

ha

and graceon i'd like to know sort of what it is

and maybe it's more so haws than grayson

but i

what is it that you hold on to in the phrasing of labor er to aristocracy that you sly has a relevant question think i i my secondy question i don't can i ask the secondary question is a wider usserve consideration

the secondary question is quite simply

what is the western left because i have struggled to understand what it is coherently

ok ok

the first thing i would say

is that

i'll just answer both very quickly so gracon has out

the first thing i would say

is that

i don't actually use the word labor aristocracy in two thousand and twenty one i'm just defending lenin's

use of the term his

i

i refer today to things like the p m c and all that kind of stuff

things that people understand already in everyday language

i don't want to invent new terms because people already kind of have made language

so i'll just refer to the p m c i don't

i don't find the laborer stocks are really relevant

today

today but that doesn't mean lendon was wrong he was it's just that things have changed

the second point about what is the western left

concretely speaking

the western left

in america at least i can't speak for europe right now i could do it if i think

a little

the western left is the shock troops of the democratic

no matter how many ready how much times to try to b be left coms and be communizers

the anarchist

be all this kind of stuff at the end of the day

they are aligned with the democratic deep state

silicon valley

estab

that's what the what the left

grace some please go on

i have i don't much to add because with with labor as i'm not being lazy i just look with labor aristocracy the only reason i was interested in that question ginj is because

uh i didn't want to talk about i feel it could be a wholean nother two ho would demand another stream right

because that same question also just applies of value in general i felt like the way you were putting it made it seem like value was like a

a substance like a actual thing that you you're seeing travel and you can you can mark exactly where it starts and ends but

i feel like it approached value in a way that is foreign to marx or at least the way were might de mean that's the point of marx by themin and yet no i i agree i agree

that's one reason why i was interested in the whole labor aristocracy conversation like i don't use labor aristocracy i don't think haz has

don't you guys realize the latest trend is the settlers thing with jasony

and i was going to mention sk man like a lot of this just and thse ok and those don't call anyone labor aristocracy because

anti populist m ls

such as and i love him i love the guy he's a character jason and rui

they just go straight to the point just talk about

they just talk about the settlers

okay unrule right it's unrule is unrule okay so you i think it's

you were guilty yeah

let me answer you question idea be more direct than these two fellows so for he and for grace son

the so called

uh labur aristocracy category

is uh most important because uh

and let me in send it first of aur

and right exa ya

sure uh they

they keep on

restricting themselves to that point because

that they know for the fact

that he somehow

speaks about political you know superstructural shit

you know what let's turn this into a theological debate

and let i didn't finish i didn't finish i sorty

i guess i can't see

and for your second question what was that you don't mean i was the wester

your ok ok ok what's this so called best on that

now this is the thing

and

for them to keep on having this fucking labor aristocracy

h

term or whatever

for them

it is a crucial point

to have

anything to do with the so called stlent for them to have

this definition

of labour aristocracy is the

a point

or the

conclusion of having a so called western left

but to answer your your question honestly uh you dolm mea

you know what the fuck is the west on left

dude i don't know

because yeahy i'm saying that i have no answers basically but let me push it around your opinion if i may

yeah

so this is the point eudomia

the so called

vester left

it's many things

and

one of the things i love i fucking love about hairs

is that he calls out anglo bushit

yup yup what what of the thing about the vessel left is this englob wor ship

and this isn't this didn't start with the has by the way the started with focking marxs marx called out anglo bushi before has

starting to c and thank you g someone clip there please

i was going to say actually that i think one of the sort of you know big

om you know awakenings

for me studying on

philosophy more broadly

was you know when i was in you know fucking high school reading meetcha

gain

he just cat talking shit about anglles

and their complete lack of capacity to philosophize

and when i heard was y it was a total like i was like yes yes finally

finally someone saying it again

purposes ofs pses of the liness guys grayson is actually of english origins

you know i should say though i am proof that

we can be convinced and reeducated and i've given haz the as years ago you can use it however you gave him this you know gys

we alle him memorate

been talking all this shit

been here

old

well it's because it's because my family does good rep you know good record keeping

and were like french huguenots and then also people from the dane law

the scandinavian so i can just say i conveniently avoided all the english

stuff you ll mak the people after

the in the culture revolution who lied about their class origin

exactly so it' i'mm ab i was going to say more than angle that sounds like an all american background

sure it is youh you know i'm not i'm not i'm not even lying about this probably not something to brag about

but it's like they were on the mayflowers something like that like we have i mean the huganots i think and they're such a fascinating group of people right that really do contribute such

a huge element of like what we understand as american ism right

i think we do definitely need think about them much more so in terms of like like what is americanism like what are we dealing with here

but i think even when we look at today to reinforce cones

i think what i would say

i forgot i was going to originally say

but i'll just say this

the whole thing abt the angle thing that also is telling about the way in which

the

left globally today

is tied to the american deep state

right

is that the case

now it theres a rephrase that

it's obviously fucking wrong to say

that maywas in the jungles are

tied to the american people

and it's obviously wrong to say the greek communist party

tied to the

deepst

but by the left i'm mostly referring to

you know

for example alex talks about it in germany

specific types of

metropolitan urbanized

leftst

you are american they're kind of like americanized you know i'm sure the same thing is happens in hungary

and ral talks about it in romania

so it's this attachment the left is almost de fine western let is almost defined

by its attachment

to america

the american deep

absolutely

but i forgot what i was going to say

about the original thing

oh yeah but the di in the feel like theologist i don't actually know i able the

i was going to say

this is kind of anti semitic to

i'm sorry that i need to head out actually right now but

right when i say

off the camera but that isn't w to i't wany but that isn't what it's about i have to

i have to go i im ho can i follow you would do i want to follow you how can i do that

you knowee i'm on side tube like daily

oh home come come in the afternoon

afternoon we' talked before i feel like we talked before

i

you know aren't what isn't one of your alias is a door kno

of course yes

yes we've talk before

yeah but that doesn't give me shit do

no no but that and then you can follow me on twitter udamonia

u d u h

m o n i a

on twitter

yes

you didnt money you said your philosophy major

h no our history

o art history

yeah

alright um

s yeah las salam have a good night everyone

his erersalem

yeah graceon sorry i'd love to chat with you a little more i apologize but i feel like a lot of what i said was directed towards has

i'm the scient here right now i'm getting used to streaming still

yeah yeah it seems as if yeah has clearly is much more do the one with that thut if he right because i have the p c and like

yea plus my feeling is that this whole streaming thing like in terms of like an element of infrared kind of like emerged on the accident a little bit is my understanding

or my perception of no we've been planning it but like

it's become what it has on x

we get the saye

ok yeah

for sure but i love it

o i'll definitely you know hassle to get on stream again

on it was a pleasure by the way you should make in j a full meumber

just my opinion

you don't have to do that but it's like also we're where the fucking cambodian

en caar whatever we don't have we're not even we don't even officially exist

mmhmm

yeah last have a good night yeah yeah me

let me also say

we i say i the antwer sism thingk

i almost feel like leninism

is marxism's christianity

and

classical marxists like

ginji

are talmudists

you are resisting

christian

and koltski

and yeah yeah exactly

and stalin named them stalin called them taluds and that is i'm not speaking not necessarily jew

speaking an abstract theological

so i'm now a fucking whatever now i'm like a you're like ca the rabbi

know it's kind of cool though if you do end up joining in forred or whatever they'll be like your pseudonym you know all the bullshitks had cool nicknames the rabbi

indeed what do you smoke

i smoke everything and all the time

o

i don't i don't much anymore i was assumed the european smoke interesting cigarettes

the chinese i heard that if your question is if i'm high i'm not dude

i'm just smoking fucking uh cancer

is that how they call this gases sticks yes exactly

amen

i went i'm going to be going to europe this summer

i'm i hope to stand grayz one this is the most american thing to say

i'm sort i'm going to you know talk you know i'm acting i'm tw im like thirty different countries s youre going to have the camera and i'm going to avoid hungry the whole time the go around you guys are the old world and we we're already from the future in the new world in america i'm a show with the hawaiian er we look upon europe

as just the old world

but we're wrong

it's kind of strange that we we live in a mt like

what do you europeans think of

a strange place

m new what do you

like

it first the fll

first of all has

foq you for saying

you

fuk you honestly that's the most american thing to say you yout know

follow your appeals

no no no europeans whatever do

this

this so called european union is a series of countries ok

but think about hungry for example hungarians have been hungary

for like the thousands of years

and then we just came to america

comp like a

completely new place almost like another planet

bad example though because wasn't the hungarans they were people from the al time mountains right on like a thousand years

going to this shit

honestly

are you going to ask me to fuck in educate you on

no i mssing gret it's it no ook it's an interesting history actually because you know the language is not is a glucinative it's some it's not it's not interesting ok nalking

only americans love talking about this shit me and grayson love talking about it

but

you old worlders

find you it's for the simple reason that

we've all arrived here off the boat yeah so we don't know it's all foreign to us you know

yeah

it's all we

you know here's a thing guys

i have a fucking

uh library

on my fucking computer

uh called reaction faces

which means that i use that library

to react to fucky left the paul and paul and all that shit

okay

so inside that library i have like you know

yah

funny faces

i have like a

but the fuck faces and so on but i have a special library

for you guys it's called

burgers

and

eastside that library i have a fucking sub

be on this do you like burgers

i mean are we talking about the food food the food

yeah burgers are fucking great i love love

how can you not love them

you love that

fucking burgers of course

wait wait you say whathich you asking so you don't like the other burgers which is just

yeah yeah good for you not like it

there is a kind of feeling though of i i i think of uh

of emptiness in america you know substancelessness you know like i think we talked on the stream before but there's not really discrete american nation there are nations within it

but it does find it does kind of feels strange i mean didn't you say that uh we're kind of the

first caught ok

not serious but communist yyeah right

totally kind of this abstract modernistic and

abomination and think about the name it i think about that lot united states of america like

it doesn't

come from like uh old traditions you know

allow me to respond to gray sun

first of all

if

the so called europeans

uh are substance less and whatever not what us substanti oh yeah okay if we are substantial then fuck you do honestly

i i don't want to be some kind of substantial arar

no fuck you wh'm not i'm just as sub sseless as you are has

no no i mean no

you the reason why not becaus i've talked to your people from outside america and they all agree

that americans are kind of

robots deer in the headlights who don't understand

unwritten rule

yeah but it's a you know it's a curse and it's a blessing at the same time

you know

i wouldn't even say hos that that's like entirely

for all americans i mean within different nations there is a sense why i come from a lebanese family so i under i don't understand the death

even in among lebanese americans we say that the we don't want to speak ever it's kind of cream

we have a word for americans just americans we say in arabic but every time we say that word i'm going to keen

there's a web of associations of a like really naive

out of the loop

kind of did see

the aeriy fairy kind of

what do i call it

i know what you mean i know what you mean but

but but even besides like immigrant communities like like like black america is does it has a totally different i don't know if it's if it's always a sense of rootedness or

you know which iraq because they began as uprooted right yeah i have wondered though like it's maybe it's common sense like of course but like

has there been or will there be a kind of congealing of american

i don't think overall america like regional you know

of ident of of rootedness im ok this

h first of all

fuck your country fuckr ip you're t yeah ok

but second of four

you know enjoy your fucking place of being i mean honestly

if anything is american

if anything be substantially american is the fact

that you have no roots yeah that's what sucks

hold on on let me get the that's our ca join

no no you can't let me get

i would say grayson that that was a whole point of my sifh crazy scifi idea

that i had of america becoming

a connect the beltan road country

no i agree look i even was going to make a joke about it that

it's not just related infrastructure material infrastructure but n i everything is very

it's a very misleading word though because i don't mean connect us socially

i mean the opposite almost

devolving america will devolve into rogue nomads

are kind of but the nomadicism will itself

this is to me with the chickens come no no no that makes i know what you're talking about like i'm saying that like

that that's what's kind of lacking like it's almost as if

there's too is too much

provincialism yeah yeah but

i don't know

yeah

and i think it's a question you know like how long

america will be calling the purge

is the and then out of this primordial jungle i new humanity will be born

yeah

here's a threen care

what you just said is a fucking h

a desire

ginhy caine don't me thisdy houdy es gins

american the are and become some kind of s no no go gin je remember i come from a lebanese background so

i know so lebanese

family and community and culture is very substantial

i know the difference

yes

s an american pathology

but gnji

don't come ad me with your

jacki in

lk s you know where hardcore hidigarians here

it's not just a desire and fant

okay

here's the thing guys uh

let's talk about so called you know immigrants or something you know what i don't want to cut you off

but it's eleven thirty and i got to go to the gym

to work out also we're going to have tos you know

ok ok ok and ts so you know cubans have a specific word

for immigrants from their country w that gousad exactly whoaos

if i'm not mistaken it means literally verms

mhm

yeah

so he's my fucking hungary and perspective on the shit ok

the many hungarians have left hungary

uh during the

uh socialis uh

obedient

and here's the thing dude

these people

mm

s tall

yeahy yeah i'm getting gous sanos basically what i'm talking about

so this hunger and gooanos

basically

thought about themselves as they were the and real hunger as they were the patriotic

the caus but the whatever nationalistic congardans

and here's the fucking reality by the way

the second generation

of hungering gousanos

don't even speak hungy at the end of

good

o how somehow

forgot

to

teach their fucking kids to speak hungarian these so called

more nationalistic whatever people somehow for glass

to tell

there fucking children but

this talking language

this irony you're pointing out

exactly the one we recognize and we said

those german conservative revolutionaries they got it wrong

they didn't see how

the the dialectic at play where

the communist internationalists were the only true patriots

the only true

hid garion soil nationalists thats that's what i high degree got wrong i mean he wrote that there's a reason for it dialectically there's a reason for

this this

you know com

it makes sense

can you explain it us

yeah

why it makes sense

no no can you explain this uh dialectic or whatever

yeah yeah i mean i can explain the dialectic of why they got it wrong the german conservtiutions but i'll explain the dialectic actually

when we just say we're communists and we're internationalists

we in a sense are asserting the negation

we're opening ourselves to an engage

right

when we open ourselves to a negation

we also open ourselves

to our national being as it is actually materially real

and determine it

without being premised by our b

cartesian and the

modern dog ma like

we when we're nationalists for example

we have an idea in our head of what is our nation

right

this contradicts the real material being over a nation

when we're a communist we say i'm internationals communist

falk nations right

but in actuality what you're doing is you're opening yourself up

to your true national being as it is actually

materially real

ter

so he's a question hans

mmhm and

are you primarily

identifying as a fucking uh how do youy call this hezbull h whatever but are you i can't answer i can't are you

first of all lebanese or first of all

a uh

burger

ah okay

me i'm a jew basically i

in between bothes you know like a

it's something it's like im and i'm in the zone in between

you know i flip flopp in between

mm

i flip flop in the

basically not to answer your question

i don't personalize it i don't really have a personal identity of

in that sense

but when push comes to show i also understand there's things outside of our

rol

i let me tell you something i know people who say they're internationalist

they don't care about any of this stuff

but when push comes to shove

our ptriotism is drawn out you know

and this was actually true for communists themselves

like look at the conflict between stalin and tito and china and mao you know like

and they all were internationalists but

after that the room was air was cleared ro internationalis

that's when the true national and ethnic tensions

kind of started to manifest

and one more thing has

when you use this channel to foking uh you know

uh sreer

swhere in the fucking at a big you know that's the best part i try to not do that try to not do i want you to do that do to do that more and more

sn

i mean my fucking favorite part was when has said you know is shah whatever whatever do i don't know i don't speak at a big but it was fucking great it's only when i'm sorry it's only when i'm so angry

yes

no

yeah

and i that i'm so angry i can't

i have to use arabic to give expression to my true anger

yeah

but

this is why we are here

this is why we love you to

we want you to be pieced off a shirt

you going to be talk about dog dog world

today because of the drama we peak seventy

seventy five years

or whatever saturday we were all chill

no drama

no viewers

yeah

truth were animals

not

ho

so the solution is if we have a chill stream we importin jeep

and udemonia to spark p debate and then we have old opposition g

are are

the recurring cast of

debaters who we yell at each other

but

i preferre the term idiots by the way

but thet each other

but we only do it but we don't

take it personally because we know we have to keep doing

you know it's almost like uh

in wrestling

nothing personal you have to get on stage

heart each other

but it's only because we're performing you know

we have to perform

but this is only the reserve

and then when we find real enemies

that's when

that's when we'll have true con

yeah

thrug bad faith enemales

as a closing remark if i may

okay

so you know

several times i've said you know as a closing remark a's ay

way to say goodbye to you you know i said the las salam

and uh i got the point that there's this kind of you know

yeah

western uh

the mouss bhed

okay

so i'm not saying this las as that way

uh for me

and

india right now

india the country

is a

ebody

specific point of class struggle

you know

iyf

if if india

avon

right now

that's would mean that

in terms of

uh population

china

india

given together

that's like basically half of the human population altogether

so but i do this last bushit

it's not me

you know larve being live actual role playing

and for you guys for me it's about the

how fukin india

is the basically

theh the

the most important class struggle right now

yeah you're right

it's happening in the world spirit is in motion in indi

what ice

all right gray son

this is

fucking off

so

s have the good way guys

see ginsi can always a pleasure to have you on

always a

always a pleasure to be on your show goodbye

go me you

ok yeah to the gym

all right we're going to

i stay to the end

i can't give you who you're the host

i know i'm going to take over

i want to but

i could just leave it on just leave don't don't i'm going to i got i got to go you know i'm actually

i watch an adam curtis because you mentioned it

documentary

i was interested i enjoyed it you did

i did

i've only seen the trailers to no no bro i kind of it gave me weird vibes i didn't like the show gave me twin peaks vibes

but um i love telling

i never finished it i tred to get into it i couldn't get into it

no i watched hypernormalization

the most recent one the first one that pops up

loki good i liked it very doumer tmes but i kind of liked it

all right outs out sec it out

we'll see yea we'll see alright okay yea alright please

bye bye guys