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The fuck is up, everybody, and what is this lazy chat we have?

So, first of all, I want to

Confessed to something.

I'm fucking filthy right now.

And I'm so disgusting right now.

I'm even disgusted.

I just got back from the gym.

I'm extremely sweaty.

You know, I look like my skin is dry.

It's a disaster.

So I'm going to have to apologize for that.

This is not my most presentable form, but I don't want to keep you guys waiting longer than you had to just so I could look better.

You know.

So, yeah, I just got back from the gym and, you know, I've been spending the better part of the day doing important shit, things that matter, you know.

things that matter, you understand?

But uh I'm here

And give me a damn second

Yeah.

So

I want everybody to understand something right now.

We're going to be having a Twitter space debate.

But before we do that, I want to actually talk about some of the recent drama that's gone down with the Gray Zone.

And I guess I'll cover it.

I will cover it.

I'm just letting you know I'm gonna cover it.

Before I cover it, I wanna tell you it's nothing new.

The news isn't new, but there's a video we have of Ben Norton that's recently gotten released.

And I want to kind of talk about why I'm not focusing on this as much as I otherwise would be, even though it's like a huge win for infrared.

You know, I've spent the m uh better part of my career attacking leftists and attacking leftism.

But when you actually analyze the reason why case by case.

It's 'cause I've always believed that leftism was right wing, that leftism helps the right wing, that leftism hurts the cause of communism, that we're approaching a political realignment and these people are obfuscating the meaning of what communism is, right?

I went after bread too as my first target.

Nobody can say that I'm a a leftist.

No one can say that.

Even though I am left wing.

But I am je I genuinely believe that we are at the point, especially with the X app now, and now now no one can complain about the right being censored.

Um at least as much as they were before, I guess.

Now I think we're at a point where a lot of that has become superfluous and redundant.

When you have a convergence between leftists and the right wing,

Traditional right wing, at least, on being pro-war and on the neo-Nazism and things like that.

I think it's high time we just plant our flag in the ground.

And by the way, we will still fight leftists and defend ourselves from them.

But it's like I feel like I've already conquered them in a way.

I feel like I've already gotten what I needed from the Ben Nortons and the Hakeems and Hassan Pikers.

It's like that is to me superfluous and one and done.

And uh you know I don't really see

I don't really see how they can.

I mean, they're not competing with us for the same audience.

They're dwindling, if you ask me, in size.

And I think we've already proven that we are a far more effective

You know.

We are far more effective promoters of Communism than they are.

Straight up.

We are far more effective at promoting communism and the left wing position than they are.

And we are the ones doing the work of fighting the right wing.

So it's like I don't know.

I guess that's why I don't really care as much as I otherwise would be.

It's like, yeah, Ben Norton's a fucking weirdo.

And we are going to make fun of him and have fun doing that.

So make no mistake of that.

We are going to do that.

But I'm just like.

You know, I don't think leftism is the primary contradiction.

I think the primary contradiction, and I sound like Joe Sims saying this, but I don't know what else to call it.

I think the primary contradiction is a neo-fascist threat in this country.

You have Antifa terrorism and right-wing terrorism, Antifa and Blood Tribe converging into one thing.

I mean, look at guys, Dylan Burns in Ukraine is actually with the Azov battalion.

Like last time I checked, I think it was yesterday, he's he and he admits it.

He's like, Yeah, I'm I'm with Azov right now.

So it's like

You know, we're not the leftist of the 2010s.

We're not a leftist in a conventional sense, but it's like politics has changed, okay?

These Bread Tube, Dylan Burns, like Tranny, whatever, fag people, they're all neo-Nazis now, like openly neo-Nazis.

And if they're not that yet, they're like slowly converging into that.

The blue-haired SJW is like a far-right Nazi now, right?

So we are really just here to pick off the leftovers of the right who have not awakened to that fact.

And just basically usher in this political realignment.

Like, yeah, there's a political realignment going on, and you're gonna start to see a lot of the people who were formerly right-wing or right-wing sympathetic are gonna become left-wing.

But the Grifters.

Are different, right?

People like Charlie Kirk or James Lindsay or Jack Pasobiak, I don't know, or Steven Crowder or Mike Cernovich.

These are all people who have made their name off of the prior political alignment that is changing, right?

So these people are the ones resisting the political realignment because they're going to have to undergo a complete ideological re-education to keep up with how the realignment has happened, which they're obviously not willing to do and can't do for obvious reasons.

You can't even blame them, but we do need to usher in justice by drawing attention to the fact that these people are grifters.

They're just grifting, right?

And they don't actually reflect the material reality anymore.

So that's why we're going after the right.

So Ben Norton, we are gonna cover it.

I'm gonna we're gonna laugh at him.

We're gonna react to it.

But I want everyone to be clear that, you know.

Censorship is more or less gone on Twitter, so now we're actually fighting the ideological crusade.

Now do we want to round up white right wingers and kill them or put them in a gulag just for disagreeing with us?

Obviously, we don't.

But we reserve the right to very aggressively fight them in terms of ideas.

We have a we reserve a right to wage a very aggressive spiritual battle.

We're not interested in attacking their families.

We're not interested in getting people fired from their jobs.

We're not interested in violence.

We're not interested in throwing people in jail.

But we are interested in waging a very aggressive spiritual war because we have the right, right?

We have the right to compete.

We have the right to forward our ideas.

Just like the masses have the right to reject our ideas, right?

I mean, you have to understand the task at hand.

We're here to fight the grifters, not the masses.

And the masses are following these grifters.

And we're here to target the grifters, not the masses.

And so, what that means is that it's on us to convince and persuade people and effect and give examples of spiritual leadership that will convince people that our cause is just, that we are onto something, that we can unite the most advanced theory produced by the history of mankind, which is, in my view,

Marxism, Leninism with the masses.

We can do this, and we need to prove it.

So we need to stand our ground and fight this battle.

Again, thank you Australistani, appreciate you.

Again, to be clear, we are not interested in violence.

We are not interested in forcing our ideas on others.

But at the same time, we reserve the right to defend ourselves, meaning we will respond proportionately.

How they attack us, we will respond in turn.

Of course evaluating intent.

I'll give examples of this, alright?

If a random person

You know, beefs with you.

Yo, Flacco, let's go!

Let's fucking go!

Now if an ordinary person, obviously they're going to take issue with the fact

That you are a communist or you're calling yourself one, right?

So, you need to exercise patience and forgiveness.

When ordinary people come your way and they start, oh, you commie, you gotta exercise patience and forgiveness because they don't understand what they're talking about.

Don't be condescending, but be patient and be forgiving.

That's where you have to be Christ-like.

But when someone who makes their entire living off of spreading this false uh propaganda and these lies comes at you, you reserve the right to hold them to the standard becoming of an honorable person, right?

You you don't need to exercise patience or forgiveness to the grifters.

You don't.

So it's a crucial distinction we make between the masses and those leading the masses astray, spreading falsehoods and lies and making a living off of it.

Those are two entirely different how you talk to someone who makes a living off of the sweat of their brow should be very different than talking to someone who makes a living spreading falsehood and lies.

So exercise a materialist discretion when it comes to these matters.

Exercise materialist discretion.

We are treading a very fine line, especially you're going to see this in practice between

Demonstrating the might and power of our position and not backing down.

and making sure we exact people's respect and nobody's gonna disrespect us, but at the same time not being forceful, not being forceful and not being intimidating and terroristic.

So emphasis on spiritual leadership is uh very important.

No, you don't want to be violent thugs, you know, getting into scuffles with people.

And it's just not a good look.

It's not a good look.

You know, people in this country who are hard working

They don't have time for that.

They don't have time to be going out and doing these silly things.

You need to keep it peaceful as much as you can.

And just follow the law.

The law already has everything.

You need self-defense, and then practice self-defense.

Don't go looking for violence and always try to avoid violent confrontations.

Wherever you can.

Again, follow the same laws that working people do.

Because when you act in a criminal manner, no one's going to respect you.

No one is.

Doesn't matter what your excuse is.

Nobody has time to care or concern themselves with why you had to act in such a criminal way.

Nobody cares.

Okay, so understand that this is my message to you.

And I you know, I play with airsoft guns on stream as a prop, as a as a literal, as a as a metaphor of of sorts.

But I don't actually mean you should take real guns and start flaunting them in this way.

And I don't mean it literally.

You have to understand that.

I mean it in a poetic way.

For me, a gun on stream is poetic.

It's not literal.

I don't actually mean literally take guns.

You know, I know the message I send seems like, you know, because it fits my character, to be fair.

I do look like a guy who should be carrying an AK-47 in real life, right?

I just want to be clear that that's not my message to you, right?

It's not my message to others that I think you should be running around with guns.

And intimidating people, but I do believe there's a poetry to it that I very much do believe in.

And uh that's all it it's just poetry.

It's it's uh it's interpretive uh interpretive dance, if you will.

In any case,

Uh there's that which is very important and crucial for me to cover.

Another thing is that

We also need to be cognizant and aware that we are also going to be facing the right wing, which is an adversary we haven't faced

In a long time.

And uh they're gonna we you know, they're I we have a ti we have an idea of what they're gonna be like and we're gonna go after them.

But I wanna tell you guys something that will hopefully illustrate how and I think s maybe the X app has something to do with this.

But there is a convergence going on between the right wing and leftists in terms of their anti-human, you know, savage and zombie-like qualities, and I'll explain why.

So we we know how the the leftists are savage, they're anti-human, they've lost any semblance or trace of humanity for a long time.

We're all very well aware of that, right?

Well recently, and I can show this to you, thankfully,

Recently, let me let me find this.

Uh Brooklyn.

Okay.

So Andy Goh is is going to be um

Covering this.

Ah, okay.

So this is pretty disgusting if you ask me actually.

So let me show you something that I found a little bit disturbing from the right wing.

By the way, Airsoft is, there's nothing wrong with it.

I'm sure it's a lot of fun.

Even as an adult, it's probably fun.

Um, okay.

So, this is how a lot of right-wingers have been reporting on this.

NY Post has engaged footage of a radical leftist NYC activist, Ryan Carson, being confronted by a black male who stabbed him.

Carson became celebrated for his advocacy of more drug injection sites.

He identified himself as a member of Antifa on his social media.

Okay, so um

This is kind of a reversal of what leftists have been doing for a long time.

And I'm just not here for it.

I'm just not fucking here for it.

Because at the end of the day, and I looked into this guy, I looked into him.

Now, I would not have gotten along with this guy at all, just for the record.

I would not have gotten along with this guy at all.

And economically, I would say.

If you if you just abstract their class, I would say it's a class enemy, right?

They're an activist making a living off of imperialist hegemony, sure.

And they probably have a bunch of views we find retarded and completely oppose and disagree with.

And and and and yeah, maybe one of their views had something to do with not appreciating the gravity of, you know.

violence on the street.

But

Here's, I think, what's missing in all this.

This was actually just a normal guy.

You know, he was a hipster.

He was part of that Brooklyn subculture, sure.

But it's like he was otherwise a normal guy.

He wasn't a violent person going around and beating people.

He wasn't even someone going around getting people fired from their jobs and livelihoods.

He was just a normal guy.

And it's like you could say, okay, he's brainwashed by this specific subculture and he's into it and he's who cares, you know, but because I'm not thinking about that.

I'm thinking about the fact that, you know, his mother

raised him when he when he first came out of the womb, right?

He's an infant baby and he's being raised and he's a normal child and none of that political stuff mattered and

You know, if they came to be part of this trendy subculture later on, I mean, do they bear the entirety of responsibility for that?

I don't think they do.

So it's like

I find it really gross how people are using this event just to score political points, and I think it speaks to how there's been a loss of respect for the sanctity of life in this country.

I mean, as much as I tell people to kill themselves, and make no mistake, that is something I I'll own up to doing on a regular basis.

It's actually because I feel like they're acting dishonorable to me personally.

The way they're acting is dishonorable and immoral, right?

And which b which which angers me.

Um, but I don't actually think you should just start getting so desensitized to the point where it's like your first reaction to seeing this is like, oh yeah, I'm gonna make this political.

Like, oh, this guy, this guy got stabbed to death by this like crazy homeless person.

Haha, you deserved it, Liptard.

And it's like, but you know what?

What if he didn't know better?

What if he just

Genuinely didn't know better.

What if he really did think that everything he was doing was for a good cause?

Like, what if he didn't know better, right?

Um, you don't know.

That's the thing.

You're not God.

You don't know.

So, why don't you just shut the fuck up and have some respect for someone's life that was just taken?

Why don't you just shut the fuck up and be silent and let his family mourn?

I mean, imagine you're his family and you see this nonsense.

And you know what this creates?

It creates a vicious.

Cycle of revenge.

And it's you know, if you're this guy's brother and you're seeing what people are saying about your brother, thank you, CO2.

Let's say you're this guy's younger brother, you're his older brother, and you're seeing what people are saying about him.

You probably want revenge, right?

And it just creates more hatred, it creates more resentment, and man, this country's gonna become Liberia.

There's gonna be so much bloodshed and it's gonna be so bad, it's gonna be a massacre in this country.

I I'm not even here to moralize about it anymore, I'm straight up just here to tell you.

We are in for a big, bloody

It not not a civil war, because that assumes it's like organized.

It's going to be a big, bloody mess in this country.

And you know, I guess we just have to go through it, but I'm not here to.

I will do the best I can to get people out of that psycho-zombie mindset where they're just getting so fucking desensitized to the death of other human beings because of Twitter ideology or some shit like that, where you're just like the first reaction you have to this is not to take a distance back and just go, okay, I'm not going to touch that.

Someone just died.

You know, so I I find this really disgusting, actually.

You know, d would I have gone along with this kid or this guy?

Absolutely not, you know, but do they deserve to die?

That's fucking crazy.

And it's like, I looked into this guy just for safekeeping, and it's like.

First of all, this guy has family members who died of fentanyl overdoses.

This guy.

um, was like into recycling and sustainability.

That was their activism, by the way.

And it's like, sure, I guess somehow that's part of the green agenda in some way.

But it's like, it's an extremely innocuous

form of activism.

And it's probably the most innocent kind, you know.

I mean, like Jackson was into environmentalism when he was like a kid and he didn't know any better, right?

And look what ha look what Jackson became.

So, yeah, if you see a kid who's doing environmental activism, it's like that doesn't mean they're the fucking devil.

Okay, doesn't mean they're a bad person, doesn't even mean they're an immoral person.

Sometimes people just don't know better, right?

You can't blame, I mean, we're talking about an institution.

You can't just blame people like this for getting caught up in that and fully immersed in that and say when they die, they deserve it.

No, they fucking don't, right?

Um, and and this guy just seemed like a normal person.

And I'm it's really sickening how people are just cheering on their fucking death like that.

I don't know.

But I think it just goes to show how there's a huge level of convergence that's going on between the right wing and leftists.

Because we used to say leftists are super anti-human.

And it's like, well, a lot of that probably had to do with the fact that leftists were just not being censored.

Whereas right-wingers were being censored.

So now that thankfully Elon Musk has uncensored everyone, now we can see the ugliness that's coming from both sides, not just from the leftists.

You know, we used to say the leftists are more of a threat because they're institutionalized and they have that support because they don't get censored for it and so on.

But it's like the right-wingers are playing into the same thing, by and large.

And I want nothing to do with it.

And if I'm creating a communist organization in this country, we don't want anything to do with that.

We want to rise above that.

And we don't want our message to be that family members and neighbors should start killing each other.

or having a callous disregard for the sanctity of each other's lives because they don't watch the same news media and they disagree with each other politically.

Our position is very clear.

Which is that both both of these viewpoints are wrong.

Uh I do agree that liberals are much more intolerant.

But

I mean, when right wing consciousness becomes reflexive and conscientious, it actually becomes the same as leftism.

Spontaneous conservative instincts that people have, particularly among boomers, are totally innocuous.

But when they start being uh when they start becoming ideologies,

Uh do not underestimate their propensity for savage anti-human violence and uh terrorism and so on and so forth, right?

So, when I say there's a neo-fascist threat, I'm not targeting the MAGA movement.

I'm not targeting even the Republican Party in particular, because I think the neo-fascist threat is going to be a combination of the far-right and leftists and Tifa types, and it's like they're going to converge.

And you actually start to see that.

It's Azov, it's Azovization, right?

They're both socially tolerant and progressive, while simultaneously.

having these genocidal exterminationist anti-human views uh thuggish views i mean that's what we're dealing with the the biden neo-nazis and these people have lost humanity make no mistake of it they're not human and i'm not saying they're not human as an excuse to like oh i'm dehumanizing them i'm not dehumanizing them i'm reporting to you objective facts these people can sit and torture a baby and feel nothing They have become desensitized to everything the minimal of what you would consider a human being would find sacred.

These people can rape, torture, and kill.

Without emotion.

And not only without emotion, it gives them pleasure.

So I'm telling you that these Azov types that are emerging, that's anarchists, plus, these people are not fucking human.

They're not.

It's like, and you know, these are the people who would rape their own mothers.

And that's how you know they're not even human.

Because even their own parents are like sitting here being like, you know what?

I love my son, but put a bullet in them because they're a fucking danger to the world.

Now, I'm being like hyperbolic, but it's like even their parents are out here being like, fuck, yeah, this is a monster.

You know, I didn't, they're crying.

I didn't raise them this way.

This is a monster.

But it's like they need to be put down because they're not human.

Now, I'm not saying we do that.

Of course, I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying like.

That's how far gone they are.

You know, when a mass shooter goes up and shoots a school, what do the police have to do typically?

The police have to gun them down because they are just so violent and so monstrous.

Even their parents agree to it.

You know, it's hard, but even parents would be like, yeah, if these people are becoming terrorists and going and shooting up public, they need to be gunned down, right?

Now, if they're not acting violently, but they're exhibiting terroristic and violent psychology, you know what?

I'm going to go and say something I've never said before.

I actually think we should adopt a China-style approach.

Whether it's ISIS-style fundamentalism, and we need to be very careful about it.

And obviously, we don't want the current government to be doing this.

But let's say in a hypothetical communist government, should we really wait for terrorists to engage in violence before being able to properly classify them as terrorists and take measures to prevent them from carrying out these acts?

Now, I know this can be abused to a great extent, and it seems like it violates free speech principles.

But when someone is openly saying, Yeah, I want to go and shoot up and kill all these people with a gun, I think you should take them seriously.

Again, I'm not doing the leftist thing where they're like, oh, if you're a conservative or if you're whatever, you're a terrorist and you're a white supremacist because they were abusing it.

But it's like, you know, Dylan Roof is someone you could have tell, you could have told, you could have seen that they were a violent threat before it happened, right?

You could have seen Dylan Roof was a terrorist before they committed the act that they did.

And it would have been easy to do that, right?

And this is the approach I think most civilized countries take.

Russia takes this approach.

They don't tolerate any of that terrorism stuff.

They don't.

And they have a zero tolerance.

China doesn't either.

And, you know, hypothetically, our stance is ride or die free speech right now.

I'm just saying, we need to also think about how, if we were ever to get into power,

I mean, yeah, terrorism is something you want to prevent.

And it's terrorists give themselves away.

Okay.

An anti-social terrorist is not hard to spot.

You don't have to do all these like mental gymnastics to justify it.

And I know people can find ways to abuse the system.

And that's why we can't really talk about it until we can find airtight ways to prevent the system from being abused.

But it's like there are a lot of people you could just see on Twitter.

You could be like, that's a terrorist.

Lock them up.

Because that's a future mass shooter.

And they're a danger to society.

Straight up.

Like the person who's talking about raping children and engaging in violent acts of like murdering people, racial minorities, is like, yeah, lock that person up.

That's a terrorist.

That's someone who's like openly saying, yeah, they're going to be the next New Zealand shooter or they're going to be the next Christchurch shooter.

You know, like, yeah, straight up lock those fucking people up like animals and perhaps give them the death sentence.

Although that might be too far, but it's like, fuck, that's a wild animal.

And I'm gonna go ahead and and I'm on a limb and say something.

If someone can like consume violent gore and violent porn and openly get off on it and like celebrate it,

That person is, you can guarantee they are capable and even intent on doing these things in real life.

You know, the you know, there's a market for monkey torture.

Did you know that?

There's a market for monkey torture in this country.

Monkey torture, I've talked about it before, right?

Yeah, those people.

I mean, it's not a stretch that keep an eye on those people because they probably are torturing children.

They're probably intent on doing it too.

It's just like it's kind of to me, this is in the same category as pedophilia.

Like, yeah, we believe in free speech, but do we believe pedophiles should have free speech?

To no, to uh.

Have child pornography?

No, we don't believe that.

We don't believe that, right?

So in the same way, we also don't believe terrorists should be allowed to be terrorists.

And I remember watching a documentary on the Uyghur situation in China.

And they're like, why all these repressive measures?

And what the Chinese guy to me was just so ras it was so rational what he said.

He was like,

He was like, it's quite simple.

Why should we wait for a terrorist outbreak to happen?

We should do everything in our power to prevent it from happening.

Like, why should we wait for it to happen?

We know there's terrorists here.

We know what their intentions are.

We're going to sit around and wait for them to commit the crime.

No.

We have a I mean a people state has a responsibility to defend its population.

And I know it's a gray area because people are like, whoa, is all right-wing ideology terroristic?

Also, with the incels, like, are all incels violent terrorists?

And what I'm suggesting is much more modest, where I just say when people are online talking about committing violent terroristic acts, you should take them seriously and act upon that to do everything in your power to prevent them from carrying out these acts.

If they're not doing that, then I believe in free speech.

Um as a matter of principle.

So

You know, but I'm just saying it's like, damn, there's actually like, you know, look, I think Twitter's way better now than it was before.

Don't get me wrong.

Like, I believe it's better now than it was before, right?

But at the same time, there's like it's pretty cra it's getting pretty crazy out there.

Like it's get oh, it's getting pretty crazy, you know.

The shit I see is like, huh, wow.

And when I say crazy, you know I have a high

Tolerance, but I'm like seeing gore.

I'm literally seeing gore now, and I'm like, huh.

Huh.

Okay, this is a guy like getting killed and this being s huh, you know, like damn, this is pretty crazy, you know?

And it's like it's better than before where you would get censored, but at the same time, it's kind of like, huh, you know?

And I'm not saying what Twitter needs is more censorship, but I am saying the world needs less terrorists in general.

And I'd prefer to get to the root cause of that.

Um

I do believe anti-terrorism.

And it's like, oh, isn't that the war on terror with George W.

Bush?

And it's like, no.

Every society, whether it's Russia, China, any other society, in the increasingly high-density information age, has to deal with the threat.

Of anti-social individuals spontaneously using physical means to exact harm upon others in order to make some kind of statement or something like that.

Like, that's a problem objectively.

And it doesn't matter what the ideology is, it could be an ISIS terrorist, it doesn't matter what it is, right?

And and the key word is and it's like someone like, wow, is one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

And then I'd say true, but I think where you draw the line is how antisocial the terrorism is.

I'll give you an example.

Are Palestinians terrorists to me?

I don't think Palestinians are terrorists because even individual acts of terrorism reflect a specific social situation.

Like, reflect an objective national conflict and struggle of some kind, right?

Irish terrorism of the IRA, is that terrorist or blowing up buses and shit?

I wouldn't say so because it's not antisocial.

It's furthering an objective social cause, right?

Like object, and it's not ideological.

It's like objective.

This is an objective circumstance.

Or isn't that the same as white identity extremism?

It's not because white nationalist ideology is an ideology.

It has nothing to do with like the actual national reality of white people.

Nothing at all.

It's a completely synthetic and artificial ideology, much like ISIS, as a matter of fact, right?

White nationalism, or as we should call it, white internationalism, is the same as ISIS.

It's a completely synthetic, artificial ideology.

Which is antisocial in nature, which means very few families or parents are proud to have white nationalist kids.

And if they do, they're an antisocial family that has no community, right?

Like your average community wants nothing to do with these blood tribe freaks, right?

But a Palestinian or an Irish is much more likely to harbor a member of the IRA out of sympathy.

Because it reflects their situation objectively.

So there's a...

I'm not espousing the ideology of George Bush and the war on terror because the word terrorism can be abused, I agree, but it's like.

Terrorism is real.

It's very real.

Right?

I'll give you another example.

It's like.

Um

Separate, I don't know, like the terrorism becomes terrorism when it's anti-social.

That's what I would say.

When it's antisocial, when it's either anti-and that antisociality can take two forms, it can take cults or individuals.

Employing violent means, um, you know, uh at the expense of society.

To further their own ideology, or it can be states employing terrorism to exterminate populations or terrorize populations.

And that's also antisocial because the state represents no concrete community, right?

It's an abstract modern state.

So when the abstract state is employing terrorism, it's antisocial.

It's what breaks up communities.

It's what destroys communities.

It's not rooted in any real communal sentiment.

Like the terrorism of the Nazis in World War II.

Your average German family sitting in Germany, and this was the hypocrisy of it, of course, but they they they wouldn't be able to stomach any of that.

It's not compatible with their way of life, right?

They would find it reprehensible according to their own family values.

So that's an important distinction that I want to make.

Um very important one actually.

Alright, let's get into the Ben Norton stuff.

The Wahhabi types have started repping Azov.

Yeah, I have seen that.

And they might be feds.

We don't know what they are, but we know they're terrorists.

Again, anyone who reps the Azov terrorists, treat them that way.

And I encourage you.

Yes, be a snitch.

Report them to your local government authorities.

However, that could help.

But they're terrorists.

Lock them up.

Lock them up.

Like, like.

Political dialogue is one thing.

A political movement is one thing.

But an anti-social rat and vermin engaging in terroristic be uh not terrorist behavior, um, glorifying terrorism and sp yeah, you gotta we have zero tolerance for that, right?

Zero tolerance.

Like

You know, the most I've always talked about this: the most revolutionary thing you can do.

is build a fucking movement.

Because let me tell you guys, illegal revolutionary activity is something that only happens.

It's something that only happens.

Not when a group decides

That it doesn't have to follow laws anymore because it's attained in ideology, but because when that reflects an objective national or social circumstance, you know, because law is rooted in something, laws are rooted in people and their way of life, ultimately.

Commuter, laws are rooted in what's needed to reproduce communities.

Remember that so.

When the state becomes fundamentally incompatible, that not according to this or that ideology, but according to people themselves.

You know, a terrorist can be a freedom fighter in that context.

Like, do I I don't think Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.

Per I know the US government does, but I don't personally.

When I analyze that situation, totally unbiased.

But when I analyze that situation, I don't see them as terrorists because they reflect their people.

And they don't just claim to do it, they do objectively.

There's a big difference.

So those are terrorists, and you know, sorry, those are freedom fighters, and Israelis act as terrorists, right?

In many ways.

The Falangists were acting as terrorists in Lebanon.

That's what they were doing, you know.

But Hezbollah are not terrorists.

How are they terrorists?

You know?

So.

So it depends.

And war is ugly, by the way.

War is ugly, by the way.

Um so yeah, that's my take on that whole Brooklyn

Fiasco

Uh I genuinely think it's disgusting how many people are are desensitized to death.

So yeah.

Hold on.

Give me a second.

Alright.

Okay.

Give me a second.

Give me a second.

Alright.

Alright.

Alright guys, we are going to do a Twitter space soon, but we're going to cover the Max Blumenthal.

Ben Norn has me blocked, by the way, which kind of makes this a little annoying, although Hassan provided a

A screenshot of it that I could show you, but this is kind of I've already told you of this story, so it's not new.

But there is a new video we're gonna cover, and I'm sure we're all excited to do that.

But, guys, I have to take a piss really bad.

So, get let me go, let me go take a piss.

All right, I'll be right back.

I'm gonna go take a piss.

Alright, I'm back and we are going to be covering

The Ben Norton Affair.

Okay, so there's a few things.

So I'm going to just give you a rundown.

So I know about this, and I'm going to give you a TLDR.

Max Bluenthal is detailing how Ben Norton, after having a falling out with the gray zone, because Ben kinda went full psycho with the lockdown.

Or the uh COVID stuff, he became a COVID libtard, like worshiping the jab and all this stuff.

So he got into a falling out the gray zone.

He thereby renamed all their social media accounts and stole their social media accounts and stole their Patreon, which.

led to seventy thousand in revenue that he stole,

And that Max had to settle a legit legal agreement legal agreement privately to deal with this.

And uh

Basically, the gray zone and Max in particular created this freak.

I've been Norton.

And I'll you'll see why he's a freak and a s he's just a little freak is what he is.

He would otherwise be a nobody.

He would be nothing without that.

And, um.

So so but so here's something that

Max did.

He went all the way to Nicaragua because Ben Norton is a cosmopolitan globetrotter.

Um and he's just kind of fleeing America.

You know, because

Uh

Despite making all of his money off of Americans, he doesn't believe that there's any hope in this country.

But and when there is hope, he thinks that it's the Clinton family or something.

Anyway, uh Max traveled to Nicaragua to confront Ben Norton.

Uh, and this is what we found.

He went to Nicaragua to confront Ben Norton, and this is what that looks like.

Hey, uh, Ben, I need to do this for the public where first of all, this is just a little too familiar.

This is just a little, little too familiar.

Just a little too familiar.

Um

I have to find it.

'Cause this is an old picture.

But it is a little too familiar.

Let me find it Okay, I found it.

Okay, here it is.

So that's what it reminds me of.

Uh right here.

Kind of, it's just like the same timid.

So just keep this in your mind because this is exactly what it reminds me of.

And I'm sure we're all familiar with this.

But it does indeed remind me of that.

And I wanted to point that out because that's what it reminds me of.

All right.

Let's continue watching.

Can you tell the moderate rubber's Patreons why you stole the account from me, how much money you stole from me?

Because we had a 50-50 agreement.

Can you just tell the moderate rebels?

Because they don't know, your patrons don't know that you stole it.

I find it interesting that he went to Nicaragua to find what appears to be a girlfriend.

And I'm not going to speak to the nature of that, or is he a sex pat or whatever?

Because I'll just let it speak for itself.

But I love how she immediately knows him so well that she has to calm him down, even though what he said was so non-threatening and lacks intimidation.

But she knows that he's like an impotent Spurg, probably, who's like, fuck kind of guy, you know?

And she's like, she knows that he's about to have another episode.

But like, not a one, not one that harms anyone, because it's completely harmless, but it's like the most impotent rage you can imagine.

Like, look at it.

Like, that doesn't even sound like he's angry.

It sounds like he's like a four-year-old.

Like, that's a fucking lie.

It actually sounds like a four-year-old, you know, like it

Oh, your patrons don't know that you stole it from me.

What a fucking vibe.

Like, I love how she knows he's like a child and she has to like calm him down.

Like, no, no, no.

Here

I have a candy bar.

This is crazy.

Look how she's like comforting him.

Like, yes, please give me that green card.

Please give me that green card.

Lo and behold, like, unfortunately for her, he's straight up, like, apparently he moved to China.

So he got with her just for the green card, but he moved to China anyway.

That's that's the worst luck in the fucking world, you know?

I mean, I guess she she I don't know what China's laws are, if China will even give her citizenship.

I guess China's way better than Nicaragua, but it's like probably not what she was expecting.

Like it's really far away, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

Why are you getting this?

Okay, so apparently.

Apparently, Ben Norton has a brother, which, and also a twin brother at that, which is.

You know, unfortunate for the world.

Why did your brother steal from the guy?

It's not a problem.

And if it was a lie, you could deny it, but I have all the proof.

I have all the receipts.

You tried to steal.

You tried to steal our social media.

She's like, not this moment, because he's like a Spurg, and he's just like, she's like, she's like his autistic handler.

She's not the autist he is, and she has to handle him.

You should be in jail.

Why do they look like that?

I don't get it.

Like, what is...

I don't understand.

Nicaragua.

Nicaragua.

I don't get it, dude.

They look like they're like 90 years old.

Do you get what I'm saying?

It's like, it looks like they're 90 years old.

They just have that look.

I don't know what it is.

A lot of people have it, to be fair, but it's like, it's not a good look when it's combined.

With uh

The aggression that they have.

It says that no one can see his articles anymore because I'm not rewriting them for him.

Dude, we're not here for this.

Sign up.

Yeah, you're right.

We're not here for this.

Ben, what kind of a Marxist steals from people?

You stolen tens of thousands of dollars from me.

You stolen so much money from me.

You lied to the patrons.

You changed the name to multi-polar research.

You're getting your girlfriend to defend you.

Why can't you speak for yourself like a man?

You're a little coward.

No, you stole from me so much money.

Look at this little coward.

Really unprofessional, dude.

We'll resolve it when he pays money.

This is really funny.

He lied to the public about getting fired, too, after he stabbed me in the back.

Imagine being like a random bystander to this.

Like the people right in front of them.

Not his brother, but like, imagine you're in Nicaragua, you're on the bus, and you're like, what is going on?

What'd you come to Nicaragua for?

Like, I came.

I'm curious, like, how did he find Ben Norton?

Like, how did he get on the same bus?

Or how did this happen?

For the first time, to show support.

It has nothing to do with.

Don't bring our kid into it.

Your boyfriend's a thief.

Your boyfriend's a white-collar criminal pretending to be a patron.

You have nothing to say, do you?

You can never have like a private.

You lied so many times to the public, and now you can't say anything in front of me.

So it's interesting, like, if I were to confront him in real life, this is how he would act.

Which is interesting.

Look at the face of the feet towers.

Wow.

The reason I can't stand this guy is just like, look at how he's acting.

Yo.

This was one of the delegations for the Nicaragua Revolution Anniversary.

All the activists who hate Okay, I got it.

Interesting.

Thanks for the five.

'Cause he like he he has so much intent all the time on social media.

Like, he's such a loud vocal like attacker on Twitter, but this is how he is in real life, which is like, huh.

Stark contrast of his uh online and real-life persona, to say the least.

So this is Ben Norton's response.

And it seems like his

Side of the argument is that he calls the gray zone right wing.

Then he claims that he did all the work on all the things he took.

I don't know if he mentions the Patreon.

Yeah, he he's kind of ignoring the allegations besides that he says that

Uh that he produced, edited, and promoted everything, so therefore it's his property.

Then he claims that

Uh gray zone is uh right wing.

And friends with Targo Carlson, like which is which is like a deflection of the ac from the accusations.

Like let's be honest, that's like that's like not addressing anything.

It's just a complete deflection, which no one should take seriously.

You know?

So yeah.

Yeah, that seems

Seems pretty sus to me.

Anyway, guys.

There's a new um

Never mind.

Okay.

Never mind.

But there is a new uh tool called Bard, which is way better than ChatGBT.

I'm not going to be doing it on stream, but it's just way better than ChatGBT.

Like, I ask it crazy questions about dualacanian analysis of Alien Covenant, and it's like.

Crazy.

Yeah.

Pretty crazy.

Alright.

Yo, Amila, let's go!

They're vegans, and that's why Ben and his brother have that anemic look.

Yeah, doesn't surprise me.

Doesn't surprise me.

We're going to be doing a Twitter space.

If you guys fuck couldn't tell, we're going to be doing that now.

Give me a second while I say Yo, anonymous!

Official Sandinista people have said privately they believed Ben would stab Nicaragua in the back as soon as it was convenient to him.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

And does not surprise me to the least bit.

Uh it makes a ton of sense.

Um

But you know what can you do?

He's he moved to China now and what knows who knows what havoc he's going to wreck upon China.

So let's create this.

Alright.

Let's do this.

Alright, we are here and clear and absolutely clear.

And every single day I'm talking about communism with a capital C, and we're not detracting from that cause.

We're constantly doing it.

And one day you're gonna wake up and realize that that word has an entirely different connotation than what you thought it had.

A lot of people wanted to debate me today, so let's bring them up and have them debate me.

And we'll go through with it, and we'll have the debates, and we will see if they have what it takes.

I saw this person in my reply, in my notifications, and they were like, Well, Haas won't debate me.

And then Amirio was like, Yeah, he will, he'll debate you.

Uh so

You know.

So

What can you say?

Ricardo Reporter.

Hello?

What's going on?

Uh

Ooh Probably hi.

How are you?

Hello.

How?

Yeah.

How are you?

What the man a hero?

Uh the name

Go ahead.

Yeah, so I don't know what's going on, but uh something is, and that's what's important, that's what matters.

Something is going on, because at least this person is stepping up to debate.

But let's see what they're trying to say.

I'll give you another chance to actually string together a coherent sentence.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I can hear you.

Hello.

Yeah, hello.

Uh

Andrew

Hey, how are you?

Alright, you're getting banned.

Alright, this is uh a valiant attempt, but communism still wins, unfortunately, for the right.

And he's he's he went back to requesting.

Like, he's so intent on just spending the night getting on up here and asking me, How are you?

And that's like his purpose in life.

That's his whole life purpose.

And, you know, it's just, I don't know how people have the time.

That's what I want to know.

Like, where do you get the time to do this?

It's pretty crazy.

Pretty crazy, but we want to bring on the right wing for this debate.

And, you know, we'll debate leftists too.

We debate anyone.

But we're primarily talking about how communism wins.

And nobody likes hearing it because it's humiliating when you realize you've been duped and lied to for so long.

But why should it be humiliating?

I mean, in good faith, it's not what you thought.

It's not what you expected.

When they told you this is what communism is and you find out it isn't, you're not stupid for buying into it because they were you know they were associating a word with a lot of things that are bad, which you do find bad, right?

I mean, there is.

a Black Rock agenda.

There is a agenda by the ruling class.

It's just not communism.

But the agenda's there and people are right for recognizing it, but it's just not communism.

And that's what we're talking about.

But people don't want to feel like they're wrong.

And we have to address that.

We have to address that.

So that's why we're bringing people on.

Whether it's the right, whether it's the far right, we debate anyone.

We debate any of these people, you know, and all the same, the result will always be the same.

And that's what matters in the end.

Yeah.

The result will always be the same.

It's just that the right wing doesn't like to debate.

And when they do, it doesn't turn out well for them.

So how do they respond to that?

They respond to it irrationally.

Is there a single right-winger who can come and debate?

It's just crazy.

I mean, a single one, a single right-winger who can debate.

And uh I haven't found it yet.

I haven't found one yet.

Joel Davis and Keith Woods are still on the run, running away.

We are going to get Charlie Kirk to debate me.

That is going to happen.

Uh just a matter of when.

Hello.

Hey guys, I have 100% proof that Trump's a reptilian.

This is crazy.

Okay, go ahead.

You see, let me get the NBC Nightly News, uh his new l one of his latest interviews there and you skip to forty five s forty nine sec uh minutes in and like twice within that minute he his eyes twitched like a reptilian.

Wow.

Anything else?

Alright, sure.

Let me just share it.

Skip to 49 seconds in.

Here's the jumbotron.

Yes, I do, I have straight up proof.

Okay.

Okay, we're okay.

I'm not going to be able to show a video through the BlueStacks capture and I'm then I'm running, so it's like I don't okay, just you know, you know, you can go look it on their own time, but look up NBC News Trump interview and skip to 49 minutes in.

You'll see Trump twitch his eyes like a reptilian.

Uh-huh.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Oh.

I posted it on my account.

I don't know how you use the Jumbotron, so Yeah.

It was good talking to you.

I hope you cover this uh sometime 'cause many people need to know.

Well, I'm sure the truth will reveal itself in in due time.

Well, uh, thank you for letting me spread this message.

Okay.

So we are looking for the right wing to debate.

And uh

You know, communism wins.

And maybe we have to change the title because they might be scared of entering a debate space with such a title.

So let's um.

Let's put it something more like

Let's do something that'll at least.

Let's be something more like.

Hmm.

Alright, well, we are here to prove what's very simple.

The right wing is a bunch of frauds, bunch of losers.

They've accomplished nothing.

They y jibber jabber and they yip yap for a very long time and nothing to show for it.

Let's bring Blob.

Go ahead.

Go ahead, Blob.

Go ahead.

Go ahead and unmute yourself.

What's up, man?

What's up?

Can you hear me?

Yeah, I can hear you.

Uh yeah, bro.

So um uh we have spoken before right so you probably already know what's um what's gonna come if you remember me.

I don't remember you.

Oh sure thing.

Um yeah brother, look, I'm gonna drill it to you one more time, you know.

I'm just gonna give a give it straight.

Um you cannot be a Muslim and a communist at the same time.

So I don't know which side you're gonna pick.

It's either you you pick your your religion or you pick this philosophy that you're so obsessed with.

It's it's one of the two.

Okay.

Are you God?

Is that uh is that is that a is that what you're gonna come up with?

Are you God?

I'm asking you, are you God?

Doesn't matter.

I mean, no, of course not.

But okay, so why should any so so who cares what you say?

What you what you argue is your proof.

If we go through the Qur'an, the Hadith, the practices of the Prophets, does it say anywhere that we have to, you know, follow this ideology which is like inherently atheistic, very material ideology?

Does this say that you have to cure hunger and disease and illness?

I'm sticking to something too.

Does the Quran mention nuclear reactors?

Wait, are you trying to say that the Qur'an is like archaic or something?

Is that the same thing?

Oh no, absolutely not.

Well well Blob, the problem is that you're trying to make it seem like anything that it doesn't directly cover is somehow incompatible with it, which is just silly.

No, but Islamically, communist communism goes againstly, specifically goes against Islam, unlike any other ideology, to be honest.

I mean, the proof is in the Hadith, right?

And in the Quran as well, there's a couple of verses that speak about the rights of inheritance, right?

Under communism, does that such thing is that being properly?

The only type of property the Quran talks about is what you can hold with your hand.

So it's actually personal property.

No, my friend.

No, my friend.

Are you actually very well versed?

How do they translate or refer to property?

Isn't it with your right hand?

Uh excuse me, l let me repeat my question, okay.

How well versed are you in the Qur'an?

I'm asking you a question.

What do you have to shut your fucking mouth and answer my question?

How does the Quran refer to property?

Just answer that question and don't inquire about my knowledge because you're going to get nowhere asking that question.

Let's stick to the content of where that knowledge would matter.

How does it refer to property?

What is the language it uses?

Go ahead.

All right, I I'll I'll give you that, right?

It is right um I mean it is it it is correct that you said that you know it talks about property in your hand, but but it's also another verse, right, that you forget to mention.

Um I don't know why you forget to mention this, but I already mentioned it in the beginning.

The right of inheritance is also mentioned in the Qur'an, how it should be divided.

And I die, what's wrong with inheritance?

Who said that's against communism?

It is quite against communism, right?

Why?

Why?

Can you name me a single Islamic state in history?

Wow.

So you go into that example now.

I mean, you cannot really beat me in like the department of like blob, blob.

If you want to focus just on inheritance, we can do that.

Just to be clear.

But I thought you would be like already aware of the fact that you're getting fucked on this point.

But if you really want to talk about how inheritance is incompatible with communism and sound like a retard in front of everyone who doesn't even know about basic history of communist states where there was inheritance, in fact, let's talk about it.

Why do you think that inheritance is incompatible with communism, even though every communist state in history recognized rights of inheritance?

Go ahead.

Look, yeah, I'm gonna admit here straight away, um I'm not a flippin' Hegelian communist, whatever you are.

You don't need to be a yeah, you don't need hold on, I'm gonna mute you again because you're gibbering.

You do not need to be a Hegelian communist to know when you should not be running your mouth about things you have no knowledge of.

If you're going to sit here and say that inheritance is incompatible with communism, you need to explain why every communist state had rights of inheritance.

So that's the first thing we need to overcome.

Why are you making claims about this subject without investigating?

Does Islam say anything about speaking from ignorance, by the way?

Is it wrong to say things without knowing what you're talking about in general?

You're the expert, so you tell me.

Go ahead.

In order to come to a conclusion.

I don't care about these scholars.

I'm going to ask you concretely to give me why examples of why they're incompatible.

Because before you gave the example of inheritance and fell flat on your face.

So give me more examples of why you think they're incompatible.

Go ahead.

Well just because you said that, are you ready?

Yes, I'm going to.

Go on.

Yeah, you ready?

Which type of society has the Prophet told us to follow through with?

Has he specifically said that we should be following Karl Marx's ideology, or did he say that we have to follow his one?

The Prophet didn't even talk about...

He's stuttering there a little bit.

Okay, I'm going to mute you because you're clearly terrified sitting in London.

The Prophet didn't actually talk about future theorists who would be pivotal and instrumental to society.

The guy who cured polio, for example, came up with a polio vaccine, is fundamental as a foundation of our society.

Otherwise, a lot more people would just have been dead from viruses and from disease.

The man who invented nuclear technology, nuclear reactors, I can continue talking about things like this.

The Green Revolution, new agricultural techniques that billions of people rely upon just to feed themselves.

The Prophet didn't mention any of these people.

And that doesn't mean they're incompatible with Islam.

Because what the Prophet was talking about was something very specific.

He wasn't foreclosing the possibility that there are future developments in which mankind learns and discovers more things about the world and itself.

As a matter of fact, the Prophet encouraged education, science, and discovery, learning more about things that you didn't know before.

The Quran doesn't tell us a lot of things about the nature of the world.

It just tells us what's fundamental, right, about the nature of the world.

It tells us what's fundamental about our soul, about the spirit, about God and his commandments to us, and so on.

It's religious, but it doesn't tell us, for example, how nuclear fusion works.

It doesn't tell us how the steam engine works.

We have to learn and discover these things by ourselves.

It doesn't, I mean, if the Quran sufficed for all human knowledge, why does a doctor need to go to medical school?

Why don't they just memorize the Quran?

Who would you rather have operating on you?

A Jewish person who's never read the Quran in your life, but who's a surgeon who went to medical school?

Or a random scholar who knows everything about the Quran but has never gone to medical school in their life?

And you mean to tell me and mock the religion of Islam in such a way as to say that all that matters is what's in the Quran and that we should give up being human beings and searching and discovering how to improve our lives after that?

Friend, you made your point.

Can I continue?

Respond to what I said.

Can I answer you?

Can I answer you?

Yes.

All right.

You're getting one thing wrong, my friend.

All right.

Our religion, right, is not just a, it's not scientific.

All right.

It's not scientific as in, like, oh, this is how you cure cancer.

This is how you cure this.

This is something that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has given us, you know, the akhlaq, you know, I mean, not akhlaq, you know, the mind, you know, to discover ourselves.

These are like things that we can discover ourselves, right?

But the thing you're getting wrong at, right, is that Islam is a political religion in a sense, because we do have, you know, things like the Sharia that we have to follow as a Muslim, right?

We have specific ways of doing things, right?

We have specific rulings on certain.

What is the form, which goes against communism, just letting you know.

It doesn't, though, because Sharia is a form of local common law.

When it comes to the form of state corresponding to an Islamic society, there has never been a single or constant one.

What you've had are dynasties that have risen and fallen, which, in terms of being able to organize and rule in a sovereign way over huge land masses and people, could not solely rely on the Sharia because it's a form of common law which just regulates the rules and customs in which how people associate with each other.

It doesn't actually cover exactly how an empire should be governed or ruled.

And if it did, then you'd have to speak to the question of why there has never been a pure Islamic state, why they've always had the feature of some kind of

Physical dominion of empire which cannot be reduced to religion.

Go ahead.

Look, I have a feeling that you...

So in the interest of saving time, I'm just going to be clear to you that I don't care about what your feelings are.

And I would just want you to directly respond to my argument or question.

I don't care about your feelings.

Respond to my argument.

Go ahead.

You're so on the edge right now because probably this is like one of your major conflicting points.

Okay, I'm not on edge, but you're gibbering and yip-yapping.

wasting a lot of time.

I'd much rather just prefer to debate right-wingers, but I'm giving you a chance.

But you're wasting my time.

So you actually have to get to the point you're trying to get to.

And if I unmute you and you keep trying to make observations on my psychological state or talking about your feelings, I'm just going to promptly remove you from the space.

So here, make an argument.

The floor is yours.

Go ahead.

Alright, go on.

Kick me.

So you're admitting you can't make an argument.

No, I'm not making.

I didn't have time to make my argument here, Haas.

You're getting a bit emotional.

Just don't talk about my psychology or your feelings and make an argument.

Go ahead.

I just said personally, like, I mean, all right, fair enough, Haas.

I'll play by your rules for now.

But yeah, let me just make my point quickly.

All right.

All right, Haas.

Go ahead.

Go back to the Quran and Sunnah.

Follow the way.

Follow the guidance.

Leave the skufar ideology.

That's all I have to request you humbly.

If you are my brother in Islam, so you have no argument.

No, no, I already made an argument.

This religion goes against the point.

I already gave you a few.

You have a British accent, right?

I mean, uh yeah, sure.

You're in London, right?

Oh, you're going to ducks me or something?

No, it's just like that's your, that's your, like, that's your whole scene.

No, actually, no, I'm in Amsadam.

Okay, that's even better, the Anglo-Dutch Empire.

So, so, Blob, I am to communism as you are to the Anglo-Dutch Empire.

Just like how you have adapted Islam to the hideous Calvinist ideology of the British Empire with its brutishness and its crudeness and its anti-civilizational nonsense, I have adapted Islam to communism, right?

So, I am to communism in relation to my faith as you are to your British Empire of Londonistan, which is just a vassal of the British Empire.

Your whole notion of religion is based in the metaphysics of Anglo-Saxon civilization and nothing more.

And that would be fine had you recognized it as such, but instead you're confusing this for the views of the prophet, and that's my issue with you.

The Muslims in China have nothing to do with you.

The Muslims in Russia have nothing to do with you.

The Muslims even in India have nothing to do with you.

You are a ideologist of the British Empire.

And you're confusing this for Islam.

This crude, hideous, brutish, ugly.

Completely Philistine and vulgar ideology, incompatible with the basic premises of civilization, is what you've confused for Islam.

Can I make my point?

Yeah.

All right, Haz.

Haz, man.

You're a very funny guy.

But let me ask you this question, right?

Because you gave me this example of like, hey, where is the Islamic State that has followed Sharia thoroughly, right?

Let me ask you one question, Haz.

Where is your communist Islamic ideology, the combination of both being practiced?

No country.

The only countries that are Muslim that hold the power right now are the very countries that you so much despise.

The problem is that to the extent that I've entertained a Islamic communist synthesis as a society, it's just been hypothetical.

I'm not dogmatically asserting that it's going to happen in a way I know.

I don't advocate for Sharia law in America.

I don't advocate for building an Islamic state in America.

I'm just a communist, right?

So while I'm personally a Muslim, I don't live in a Muslim-majority country.

So my personal religious beliefs are not really directly relevant.

Now, they could be indirectly relevant.

That's up to other people to psychoanalyze.

But you can't say it's directly relevant because it's just not.

Because I have no interest in forcing Islam on America.

I do think that I claim that Islam and communism are compatible, by the way, is not the same thing as me saying that this is the only form Islamic societies can take while being Islamic.

I do think that, for example, you could argue that the Ottoman state was an Islamic society and civilization, even though it wasn't directly communist in the sense of referencing Karl Marx.

So I'm not the one, you're just logically getting your arguments confused.

I'm not the one claiming that there's only one form that an Islamic society can take.

You're claiming that.

I'm the one who's saying in addition to the Islamic societies we've seen throughout history, it is possible that you could have one that is synthesized with communism.

That's all my argument.

Therefore, there doesn't need to be an Islamic communist society for my point to have validity.

All right.

Um

Prove to me that Islam and communism can coexist.

The burden of proof is on you to show how they can't.

I mean, I gave you an example, right?

No, you didn't.

All your examples fell flat.

No, no.

I mean, I just have to play back a few seconds when I give my example.

What?

Inheritance?

No, no, I didn't.

I didn't.

Not that.

I'm just talking about.

What is the example?

Name me any country where a synthesis between Islam and communism has sprung up.

There's none.

I would argue that unlike the Hui Hui Muslims.

That goes against each other.

Some of the Hui Muslims of China would beg to differ.

I think they have a local synthesis of certain Hui Muslims.

Okay, first and foremost, Hui Muslims are also almost starting to get targeted by the Chinese government.

So I don't know what you're saying.

Can you give relevant examples of that?

It's true, they're getting targeted, you know, slightly.

Can you give relevant examples of that?

What do you mean, examples?

Do I have to show you sources?

Yeah, you do because I think you're just bullshit.

Listen, bro, I don't like using Wikipedia as a source.

I don't know much about you, Muslims, but when I was going on Wikipedia, I read a little bit about them.

I saw that they also maybe you should again listen, blob.

This is why I don't like buy your stick.

And I muted you, by the way, so don't keep talking.

But this is why I don't buy anything you're saying because it's like Wikipedia is edited by MI6 agents, not hourly.

Probably not even minutely, but secondly.

And every second of every day, they're editing it, right?

Wikipedia is a tool of the unipolar empire of the West.

You know that.

And yet you take it as gospel.

Yet you claim that I can't be a Muslim who's also a communist, but you can be a Muslim who fully subscribes to the ideology of Western liberalism.

I mean, you're reading Wikipedia and saying this is the truth.

So why can't I read the Communist Manifesto and say that's the truth?

At least I'm aware that I'm not just a Muslim.

I'm also a communist.

You seem to think you're just a Muslim, not also a Western liberal or a slave of the British Empire.

So that's the issue here.

You told me your source is Wikipedia as if that doesn't align with a specific bias and agenda to defame China in a specific way, which is just nonsense.

Go ahead.

All right.

Stop muting me first and foremost, all right?

Because I'm not a heckler like you.

I have at least a little bit of respect to let people finish and literally listen to people when they talk about it.

Blob, you don't have the respect to let people finish because at every turn, you've taken the opportunity to interrupt me until I mute you.

So let's not...

When you first came in this space, by the way, there was two things going on in my head.

I said to myself, is this a guy I'm going to have to constantly mute?

Or am I going to keep my hand off the mute button and they can control themselves?

Within seconds, you had to be muted because you kept interrupting me.

So you are clearly someone who can't control themselves.

And that's not my fault.

So I'm going to continue muting you until you can show some self-control.

Go ahead.

It's your stream, so you make up your rules.

It's no problem for me.

So let me just...

Blob, I just muted you again because I just want to make the point that while I was saying all of that, you were talking.

And I unmuted you and you were in the middle of a sentence.

No one could hear.

Which just goes to show you do need to be muted because you can't shut the fuck up.

Had I not muted you.

Nothing would be leg nothing would be intelligible at all.

You clearly maybe have a porn addiction.

You just do not have the control.

In order to actually measure your words and just speak when you're gonna be heard.

When you speak and I'm speaking at the same time, no one hears anything unless I mute you.

So stop doing it.

Go ahead.

Oh, okay, uh, bro.

Listen, I don't know why I brought this porn addiction stuff in.

I don't even know how you psychoanalyze that, but I don't watch porn.

Okay, astafurullah.

Let me continue now.

With the man, I actually forgot what I was going to say, man, thanks to you, because you go on for way too long, Haz, and people just don't feel like you know, speaking to you anymore because you just go for way too long, making zero points, just going into a whole monologue, and then people just forget what they have to say.

The Wikipedia Hui Muslims, that would be.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you for reminding me, Haz.

Thank you for reminding me.

I stated already, I don't know much about the Huey Muslims, or I don't know much about them.

All right, fair enough.

I don't think anybody here knows much about them.

But in all honesty, the first thing when you look up Huey Muslims is that they're also being prosecuted.

Like, you go on Google, you go on Wikipedia.

I hate saying, I already said in the beginning, I hate saying that I'm using Wikipedia as a source.

I understand.

Like, look, let me finish.

When you said Wikipedia is not a source, I agree with you, but I don't know much about Hui Muslims, and I haven't read the whole PhD paper.

But one does not have to look far to realize that they're also being oppressed by this Chinese communist.

Right.

If you believe in lies, has China turned their mosques into relics of tourism, etc., whatever.

It's really happening, Haz.

It is true.

It's happening.

There's people, Hui Muslims, who are coming out and speaking about their mosques being turned into a museum.

Well, it's bullshit.

It's not bullshit, my friend.

I mean, my friend, have the respect to listen to people who are being marginalized.

Have the respect to listen to their problems.

Okay.

Look, man, this is the same shit, yeah, that when Hitler was going around rounding up Jewish people and murdering them, other European countries were like, oh, this is probably fake.

It's probably not happening.

And then when a Jewish person steps up and says, hey, we're being Holocausted here, and then you're going like, oh, no.

You're kind of yapping, so I'm just going to mute you.

You got a number of things wrong.

First of all, when the Holocaust was happening, there wasn't a ton of awareness across Europe about it.

There was awareness of Nazi atrocities, but the whole thing didn't really get declassified until after the war.

Besides the atrocities on the Eastern Front, of course.

Second of all, what I think is disgusting about your worldview is either it's coming from a perspective of ignorance or willful stupidity and chauvinism.

You're looking at a situation where China is being surrounded by the most powerful countries in the world to stranglehold and choke them.

And you're telling me that if one Hui person comes out and makes up a bunch of bullshit, that it's not possible they might have a monetary incentive with overwhelming pressure to spin these narratives.

Don't talk to me about individuals coming out and saying gibber because I could just as equally come out and say that America is closing down my mosques.

They're not.

But what if I went to China and said that and the Chinese media boosted me?

Oh, that's Chinese propaganda.

If you want a narrative, you're going to find people who are going to push it for you.

I know about the situation of the Hui Muslims in China, and their laws are respective.

They do synthesize Islamic culture with communism.

Their dietary practices are observed to such a great extent that it causes resentment among a lot of Han.

For example, if you're in a Hui Muslim town with a halal restaurant, you cannot have non-halal food within like the exact specified radius.

I think it's like miles and miles specified by Sharia.

And this is what the Chinese government upholds and enforces.

In Hui Muslim towns and areas, there's no alcohol.

For example.

So you're just really ignorant and you don't know anything about China.

And you're speaking from the perspective of an agenda that wants to destroy and crush it.

If Islam was not a religion that believed in justice, I wouldn't be a Muslim.

To me, a big part of Islam is justice.

And you uphold injustice, which

the credibility of your words means nothing to me.

You know, you don't even believe it.

You don't think it's fucking unjust how they're lying about China like this, saying bullshit?

Just because China decided that it doesn't want to be a slave of the West?

And you buy into it yourself like an idiot?

That's unjust, straight up.

I don't care about your pretenses to religion.

Don't talk to me about religion if you can't be a good human being.

And you're acting like a very immoral person when you're posturing from this perspective.

Now go ahead.

I'm telling you right now.

In your life, I will forbade you from walking into the Masjid al-Haram.

I'll tell you right now, Haz.

If you try to come to Masjid al-Haram, yeah, in Mecca, I'll stop you right there.

I'll stop you, bro.

You're not going to do nothing, bro.

How?

Because you're dishonest, man.

You're going from one master to another, man.

How are you going to stop me?

No, no, I want to know this.

How are you going to stop me?

Please explain and go through the details.

How are you going to stop me?

Go ahead.

I'm going to stop you.

I don't need all the, you know, oh, I'm so big.

I'm strong.

Communist.

I'm not going to stop you.

We're going to gang up on you, bro.

We're going to gang up on you.

That's it.

Who's we?

Who's we?

Don't worry.

Come to Saudi Arabia.

Come to Mecca right now.

I'll prevent you from going there.

How are you even going to know when I'm going?

Listen, that's besides the point.

Listen, man.

No, no, no.

We're going to focus on this point because this is what you've decided to say.

So you and your ape-like subhuman rat gang of faggot salafis are going to come to Mecca and gang up on me.

And you're going to assume I'm not going to have my own gang.

Hey, Blob, don't forget what my people did to you in Iraq and Syria, you ISIS bitch faggot.

Don't forget that.

Don't come here talking tough to me.

I'm going to tell Bashar where you live, bitch.

How about that?

I'll tell Bashar al-Assad where you live.

You and your subhuman rat ape gang is gonna come and prevent me from doing what you faggot coward.

I will beat the shit out of you with my fists until you scream and cry and beg to God to save you.

Do not fucking threaten me, Blob.

You don't know who the fuck I am or how little patience I have for faggots like you who make these empty threats.

I take the threat seriously, by the way.

Go ahead.

You know what Muta is?

I muta upon your mother.

I muta upon your sister.

If you come to the United States of America where I have a Second Amendment right, we're not going to have them shanks, yeah?

We don't do that shank thing.

You will get blown away if you put me in a hostile self-defense situation where I feel threatened with my life according to U.S.

law.

Come to the United States of America and see what happens to you.

Come to my hood and see what happens to you, you fucking bitch.

We have this Second Amendment here.

You will get blown away.

You got that blob you little bitch?

We don't do that sancta boy then, we don't do that shit here.

We don't do that here.

You got it?

We don't do that here.

I personally wish you were a Salafist Uyghur and China put you in a fucking camp.

Put you in a fucking camp where you d bers deserve, you fucking rat.

That's where you fucking deserve to be in.

You are a fucking terrorist, is what you are.

You are a terrorist.

You deserve to be locked up.

I don't care what society they're in.

When them Dutch and British come to deport your bitch ass because they don't want you immigrant fucking scum terrorists, I support them.

And I this is my message to the peoples of the Netherlands.

How long are you gonna tolerate having this riffraff, subhuman, scum terrorists in your country?

Kick these fucking people out.

They're fucking terrorists.

They're threatening you, your families, your communities.

Get them the fuck out.

They're not civilized.

They don't respect any civilization.

Anywhere they go, they claim it belongs to them.

They don't respect anybody.

They don't respect any civilization.

They're hostile to everybody.

Get them the fuck out.

They're living off welfare.

Kick them out.

Deport them.

You're a fucking terrorist is what you are.

Just like those Azov people in Ukraine, you're a fucking terrorist.

So get the fuck out of the Netherlands.

You're gonna threaten me?

God help people living in the Netherlands with how you act.

You need to be deported, boy.

You are fucking terrorist monkey chimp, is what you are.

You need to be deported, boy.

Go ahead.

Give me one moment.

I'm gonna come, okay?

I'm gonna end.

All right.

All right.

He's going to end.

Everybody, get out of the way.

He's about to blow.

He said he's going to end.

What does that mean?

Stay at least seventy to ninety feet away from me within the sufficient blast radius, all right?

I don't want anything to do with that.

And I hope you're not on a plane as you say you're about to end.

Somebody needs to fucking restrain your ass.

Your own religion.

What's that?

Have some shame, my friend.

Have some shame, bro.

Go to the mosque.

All right.

Re-evaluate your.

I am a Chinese communist, and you're an Uyghur, and I'm putting you in the camp, bitch.

How about that?

Where you fucking belong, re-education.

You're gonna have to be singing songs of Chairman Mao.

You fucking animal, you wild animal.

Have some fucking respect.

You fucking piece of dirt.

You're a piece of filth is what you fucking are.

This is why in Muslim countries they spit on you.

They don't want nothing to do with you.

You're a fucking terrorist.

Every time you terrorists get caught, they all cheer and they're happy.

'Cause people are just trying to live their fucking life, and you come.

With your fucking autistic, gay, retarded, faggot nonsense and start trying to I'm I got the true Sharia, shut the fuck up, bitch and he disconnected.

Blob, you shut your fucking mouth, you piece of shit.

You're gonna prevent me from doing something, you with your gang, fuck you.

Stop you!

Don't fucking talk to me like that, boy.

I'm an American citizen.

My God, you fucking just destroyed that walking time bomb, bro.

It's crazy.

Yeah, well, he he he he he disconnected.

He disconnected, so who knows how that happened.

AG, go ahead.

Hey, so I hear you're paying about what he had to say and what you delivered.

Um

I do see you have a Russian flag on your profile.

I am Russian.

I'm also US citizen and let me tell you this.

Us Russians, we don't speak to people like that.

I've seen some that have some um issues with other people, what not, but you're the first one to represent Russian flag and speak with such negativity to others.

I let me I don't wanna interrupt you, but what do they do with the terrorists?

Well, you are interrupting me.

So let me think.

So you see, I'm Christian.

I grew up right next to mosque,

I respect mosques and I respect Moslems.

I best some of my best friends here in Texas.

And I am in Texas.

So Okay.

What do they do to um terrorists in Russia?

Yo, no birda, let's go I think death sentence would be a great

Great way to handle that.

My suggestion for you is to calm down.

And

Well, A G.

When you let me finish.

When when you speak,

and you push others or you push the beliefs onto others how they should perceive life.

This is not a Muslim way to do that.

I know how Qu Quran works, what Quran speaks

I grew up in Siberia.

And I've lived around Moscow too.

We don't do that.

We don't treat people like that.

If you wear a Russian flag next to your profile, that's an embarrassment.

You don't deserve a Russian flag next to your profile.

We don't act like that.

You are n you have nothing to do with Russian people if you that's how you treat people.

Okay?

Now if you make a mistake, simply make an apology.

At least attempt.

If you can do that, then perhaps social media is also not for you.

Okay, wha what what does w h I I'm gonna ask you again, uh how does Russia treat terrorists?

'Cause you're claiming that I should apologize for uh speaking badly to one.

So what does Russia actually do to them?

Is it worse than speaking badly or what is it?

You're misre representing my question.

You see, when you twist my words, you're losing credibility in all your speech.

My speech is very simple to you, is that you are so negative.

not only to others, but also to yourself.

You put yourself on the same level that people trying to attack you.

And a lot of times throughout this conversation, you never realized that most of the time nobody attacked you.

Are you somebody, bro?

So AG, with all due respect, the problem that's making it hard for your message to come across is this this person claimed that if I go to my holy place for a pilgrimage, that him and his friends are going to kill me and prevent me from going.

So I don't I don't really like what you're saying would make sense that no one's attacking me if this was just on the substance of the argument, which by the way he refused to make.

Blob had no intention to attack you.

He was just talking a bunch of shit.

If he would want to attack a p somebody, you know what, and prevent you to go to uh and pray or to go and uh prevent you from going to a holy place.

Let me tell you, nowadays, Russia would be there to back you up, and people like myself, all the way from Texas.

What I would even buy you a plane ticket to go there.

No problem.

I mean what?

What I'm I'm trying to tell you is do not fall on their level.

That's not Muslim way.

I think you're telling me, is that the Muslim way, or did you just make a mistake?

It's not the Muslim way, but I think you have to appreciate the fact that I don't claim to be a wise Muslim sage.

And I think that most young people have my temperament.

I wouldn't say that I should be singled out here.

I mean, is it the Muslim way?

No, but at the same time, I'm human and I have a right to get frustrated and I have a right to be offended.

And, you know, I have a right to want to defend myself when someone is speaking nonsense to me because I come here and I bring anyone on and I give them an opportunity to argue in good faith and they take advantage of that.

I could just ignore everyone, right?

But they take advantage of my willingness to hear their perspective in order to abuse that and start insulting and disrespecting me, which I think any human being would find frustrating, to say the least.

Yes, sir, I agree with what you said, but what I'm asking you does not fall under a level.

Yeah, I try not to.

I mean, after all, in practice, I'm not gonna threaten people for having beliefs that I don't share, you know, to come and do this or that.

So this is not something I'm interested in doing.

But, you know, I I get frustrated when I constantly give someone an opportunity to make an argument and then they just go to personal attacks and I have to mute them and and re and continue to ask them to make an argument.

We come across people like that on daily lives, on a daily basis.

But it doesn't mean we have to act like those people.

I I wish you the best and I really hope that you would be able to see my point of view to help you become a better person.

You don't have to do what they do because they're trying to promote you.

Okay, well I I appreciate your advice and you know, I'm gonna just say I I I ultimately believe that you're right.

I do believe you're right.

I don't think it's wise to um to really get worked up over it and you know, uh you know in the future I do want to be more sage like but you know in in my profession it's just very easy to get frustrated and you know

Uh, in real life, you know, it's not really good to act this way, I agree.

But, you know, in my profession, I I deal with these people like on a daily basis.

Yeah, slavor sheeting.

I agree.

I agree totally.

Uh, yeah, I mean, you know, I respect your advice.

You sound like you're older than me, so you know, I appreciate and understand where you're coming from.

It doesn't sound good when a young guy speaks as I do in general, or anyone speaks as I do, right?

But I mean no offense, I don't mean to um

put disrespect on the Russian flag or misrepresent it.

But you know, I just hope you can somewhat understand where I'm coming from as well at the same time.

Acknowledged.

Thank you for that.

Alright, so uh off kid off kidder, do you want to say anything?

Uh yeah, what's going on?

Uh I just uh wanted to try to touch uh on a topic I've heard I haven't caught a lot of your material before, but I think I've uh

I've heard you uh you have like a four or five point basic plan and uh I think one of them you said that uh you wanted to switch back to a gold back currency.

Um, I don't.

I think it was more broad, and it was two kinds of ideas.

One is energy-based currency, and then a currency based on minerals and resources, which could include gold.

But what I'm really interested in now is the idea of an energy-backed currency, which is something that Henry Ford actually talked about.

Years ago, well, Henry Ford talked about a currency denominated like directly in energy, like kilowatts.

I think it's interesting the idea of a currency somehow backed by or related to energy resources, considering how closely tied the value of currencies are in practice to things like oil, right?

With the petrodollar system.

So, probably, probably energy is where I'm more coming from.

I don't really think it's possible to go back to gold, maybe gold in part, but in whole, I don't think it's sustainable.

Yeah, that that's uh do you have like uh any current uh favorite economist uh living that you kind of like are really into right now?

Yes, but it's not really related to the en energy-backed proposal.

But he's an economic historian.

He does have some prescriptions today.

Michael Hudson is probably my favorite.

Yeah.

I would say.

That's my number one right now, too.

So right on.

I was just going to say that when I hear a lot of kind of like people, kind of the old Austrian economics people are the ones who try to revive the gold back currency stuff.

But when you hear kind of more I think Hudson is definitely communist, but I think he has like a trot he I think he speaks a lot about his family.

He comes from a Trotsky family.

But he's definitely my favorite economist too right now.

I think.

Uh there's uh a lot of good merit in just the uh I know a lot of people don't like they're worried about the inflation risk or whatever, but uh just the the current fiat system that we have now is a sovereign free floating fiat exchange is what a lot of the Marxist people who are interested in in a government spending uh and kind of like uh

A criticism of kind of like uh the laissez-faire capitalist stuff that they that they can't even approach long-term public uh innovation and research and it's and only a publicly planned economy can kind of do that stuff.

All the all the people that I have kind of come across recently with a Marxist and Keynesian background kind of want to stick to a free-floating sovereign fiat currency and they they kind of use that as a way to uh because a lot of the stuff that we we think about like the uh the national debt and what is a government deficit and how that stuff's and how uh a government and a publicly planned economy really would spend is kind of like we we've just been getting all that stuff wrong for decades.

So I just wanted to slowly start touching on that with you.

But it sounds like you're completely open to the currency.

It doesn't sound like you're nailed down to a gold back currency anyways, but I just that's what I was going to talk is a little bit what you're talking about sounds a lot like MMT, which I think well I'll tell you my perspective on that.

On the one hand, I do believe that gold bugs and a lot of people don't understand that the dynamism of fiat more or less of the ability to kind of manipulate the money supply.

Is fundamental for modern economies.

It just is, right?

In general.

Which is why I have an interesting idea, which is I believe in a separation of what I would call a reserve currency, which you might see is a more kind of objective store of value, which also is.

commensurate uh at the level of foreign trade, right, with other countries.

And then perhaps another kind of currency I think the two should basically be separated.

The reserve currency should not be the same as the currency that's used to finance uh the domestic uh economy.

A reserve currency maybe can be exchanged for that, but I think China doesn't have this system quite yet, but something kind of similar to it, where they have a currency that's for the purposes of circulation internally and then a foreign exchange currency.

I forget exactly what they're called.

So I guess my idea would be that we have a um a reserve currency, probably one that measures our ever dynamically changing kind of um wealth and energy or consumption in energy, and then perhaps another currency which can be used as a tool of policy making.

But I don't believe in MMT because I think it's too much of an extreme to say that currency has no intrinsic value at all, which I reject.

I think, you know, there is an objective basis to wealth and value, but I don't agree with the gold bugs that it's like something well, they actually they don't actually believe that, which is interesting, the Austrians.

But if you were like a hardcore Marxist, you would say like the only real I think the Jehu people have this position, the only real currency is gold 'cause it's the only thing that can store uh labor value, right?

It's the only real commodity money.

I think that's too extreme as far as like a modern policy making position.

Well, I mean, MMT definitely does say that I mean, we and the U.

S.

kind of has we use the petrodollar as far as a foreign exchange within the oil markets.

But uh we also uh have the the fiat for the so we kind of use kind of like a petrodollar in terms of oral foreign exchange, and then we also have just the fiat, so we kinda have the two-headed kind of thing going on right now too.

But uh as far as the MMT claim, uh they basically from what the way I understand right now is what gives the fiat currency value is basically the ability to tax because I'm familiar with that.

Uh yeah, so it's not like it's just it is being too much my issue is that it's kind of self I'm aware of that, but the uh all of the theories of where value comes from in MMT relate to uh

What do what do I call this?

Um

the fiat power of the state itself.

Like the state can arbitrarily create value by virtue of its authority.

And that's something I I I reject it for a very simple reason.

It's is to me the authority of the state

Is coming from something that's not the state.

And that's where I think MMT collapses.

Like, they claim more or less, I mean, in so many words, it's like value comes from the authority of the state in the form of the ability to tax.

But the ability to tax doesn't come from nowhere, doesn't come from scratch.

The state doesn't come from nowhere either.

It has material premises, which I think are probably closely related to energy, I would say, closely related to.

Things that are not within the sphere of control of the state.

One of the big sources of the legitimacy of a state nowadays is the ability to have sovereignty and energy, the ability to provide energy to businesses and to consumers and to households.

You know, nothing makes for a better cause of domestic unrest than constant blackouts and lack of electricity, right, nowadays.

So, you know, that I'm not trying to reduce the state to that, but I just think it shows the state is not based in the state.

The state is based in things the state cannot itself control.

Yeah, but I mean but I at the other hand too, like uh and really like a tax is just a voucher, whether you break it down into like a you know, ten people into a room or like you you spend ten dollars and you you know, you you have like three coupons and you know you or like you give your kids you know, an ability to say, All right, well, I'll let you go out maybe like on a Friday or Saturday night if like, you know, throughout the week, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you these coupons and you gotta earn those by like doing chores throughout the week.

So, I mean, like, every economy is going to have to have, or government is going to have a certain authority, especially over a currency.

So, you can't, you just, you're not going to be able to get around that.

So, I don't, I don't, I guess I don't really understand the contention on that.

Yeah, the contention is not the existence of fiat, but the notion that the value of fiat comes from the government itself, which is what I don't believe at.

I think the ability to tax also depends on the ability to produce wealth in the first place.

And I don't think, I think it kind of puts the cart before the horse, you know.

Well, and I guess it's what the value of a current son, I'm hearing my own feedback for some reason.

They're not attributing a value to the currency, but it's just kind of like what it's pegged to and what gives it its ability in terms of the government is their ability to tax in terms of like, all right, we're going to, because we're going to give, like, spend $10 into the public domain.

So, when I, when the government gives $10, that's in effect what they call a deficit, but that $10 goes right into your hands, and we'll call you like the non-governmental.

Right, but it kind of doesn't get into any like physical premises of wealth.

Like, for $10 that are spent on, you know, a service is not the same as $10 that's spent on something that actually goes into reproducing wealth.

I think it's a step backwards from classical political economy in a lot of ways.

I think kind of what they got to, because when another word for physical is just kind of like a commodity-backed currency, which is kind of like just saying the same thing.

And the reason why they got rid of that is because of the implications for commodity back currencies.

I got to move on to the next speaker, but let me simplify where I'm coming from here.

So, if the government, if you, if the government demands that it's owed $10 and that therefore somehow creates the necessity of $10 of value, it's going to spend $10, which creates the need for the $10 to be funded somehow, and that's the source of the tax.

Well, is the government spending that $10 in a way conducive to the premises that reproduce it?

And that's where you have to kind of realize it's outside the loop of what MMT can explain.

Just because the government wants to spend money doesn't mean that that is going to actually in practice create the value necessary to finance it.

Because ultimately, this has to kind of go somewhere physical in terms of like, okay, is the economy working, right?

Are people being fed?

Is food being grown?

At some point, it has to kind of reflect that.

So I think that alone takes us out of that framing and forces us to ask the question, okay, well, where does the wealth of where does the value of those things come from?

Right.

Because the government deciding that it's going to spend $10 is not what's going to make food more valuable than dirt, you know?

Yeah.

Well, I'm I'll let you it sounds like uh you're kind of at least open to the topic, so I guess we'll continue this at another time.

Sounds like you want to go to um on to another topic.

Yeah, yeah, I would just want to see what does Peter Griffin have to say?

Hey Haz, can you hear me?

Yeah.

Yeah, so I just want to say I support like 90% of what you have to say, but I just want kind of a clarification on one thing.

So I'm a pagan, Chinese pagan.

I heard you like criticizing paganism, but I think what you mean to criticize is more so Luciferianism or theosophy, right?

Because you're saying the Western elite is entrenched with this kind of thing.

I want to ask you, what do you mean by a Chinese pagan?

What do you mean by that?

Taoism, Confucianism.

Yeah, well, I think that's where there's a lot of miscommunication because I don't see the grounds with which to call Taoism or especially Confucianism a form of paganism.

Well, because we worship like the yellow emperor, so it's a non-Abrahamic God, right?

We have polygamy.

I'm aware, but when you say worship, that can also be translated into revere or give respect or something like that.

But when we're talking about paganism in the sense of worshiping these various different deities, we're talking about.

Dividing

The whole of let's say being into like separate parts and then elevating the part to the status of supremacy just because of a short-term lack of insight.

So, an example of this would be like we're gonna worship Baal, the god Baal, right?

Sacrifice our children to Baal, even though we know this is immoral from the holistic perspective, uh, because we think that Baal is gonna reward us with monetary gain, we're gonna worship him.

So, you see, you kind of see where the view of what paganism is kind of comes from.

Paganism is not necessarily anything that's outside the Abrahamic tradition.

As a matter of fact, I think that Confucianism and possibly Taoism can be synthesized and fused with Islam.

And this is what Sufi saints were doing for a long time in history, but in the case of like some dharmic religions, whereas Confucianism, even more so, because to me, Confucianism is a wisdom of civilization, is what I'd call it, right?

It's not just a wisdom of more and um.

Governing relations between individuals, but also a wisdom of how to reproduce civilizations, right?

Like at a scale much larger than the family or just the village.

Yeah, well, to me, it's like a digen phrase.

It's like the death sign of China.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like, I see no reason why Islam can't be compatible with Confucianism in the same way it's compatible with being a law-abiding citizen, like in America, for example.

Yeah, sorry to interrupt you, but like, do you know about the history of Christianity in China?

Because it's a bit contentious.

Do you know about the Taiping Rebellion?

I know about the Taiping Rebellion, yeah.

Yeah.

Because you're saying, like, Confucianism and Taoism is not really pagan, but that's not really how the Taiping people saw it, because they started persecuting, committing iconoclasm.

But I think this also happened under Mao, too.

And Confucianism.

Confucianism has had ebbs and flows, but I think there's always been something fundamental about Confucianism that's never been truly uprooted.

It's just there's been aspects of Confucian tradition that have been rejected.

Yeah, but that's what the both by Christianity and communism.

Well, that's what the Chinese characteristics are, socialism, Chinese characteristics, right?

Yeah, yeah, I'm aware.

I also want to say that I think Taoism is a very fascinating, intriguing, and you know, I think to me, it's a very interesting.

I would not call it paganism, though.

Like, when I say paganism, I am referring to what would probably be called like Satanism or the kind of New Age, especially the New Age.

I mean, I think Eastern religions can be pagan when they're translated into the context of like Western New Age thinking.

I think in that case, yes.

But what about Hinduism?

Because isn't it by definition pagan?

Well, the interesting thing about Hinduism is it's like it doesn't really strike me as a holistic, unified religion in the first place.

Yeah, yeah, right.

Right?

It's like we speak of Hinduism to refer to like a body of different traditions.

And, you know, I'm not an expert on it.

Exactly, right?

And it's like, it doesn't seem to be a unified religion to me.

It seems to be a word for different practices that come from the same region.

Well, okay, what about Russian Devon Aubrey?

What do you feel about that?

Yeah, that would be...

I think that's kind of the more New Age stuff that I would probably say is probably pagan.

So you wouldn't say it's an authentic revival of a Russian tradition?

No, I don't I don't think so.

Maybe maybe the old believers would probably be like the r a real revival of some kind, a syncretic combination of Christianity with the old stuff.

And I think the old believers is probably a a authentic thing.

But Rodnovery, yeah, I'd probably say that's pagan.

Just like in Ukraine they have that similar stuff that

Yeah, but like most Russian runoffs are patriots, right?

Like they don't really have a problem with Orthodox Christianity and they support Putin and all that.

Yeah, I have to also say I'm kind of like speaking for va a vague familiarity with it.

But I just feel like my first impression would be yes, just 'cause it's modern.

Yeah, 'cause like Dugan supports it, right?

Even though my knowledge is limited, so I can't have a full so you're not actually against like paganism then, right?

It's just I am against paganism, but I have to preface that like.

Paganism means something specific to me.

It doesn't refer just to non-Abrahamic religious traditions.

Okay, so w would like the Greek religion or the Roman religion classify as pagancy?

I think in the midst of like Judaism and Christianity it would be.

'Cause in Judaism, um the Hellenizers within Judaism, within the Jewish uh community were pagans, right?

They were flirting with like the Jewish fundamentalists were correct.

And with the rise of Christianity,

Um, the Roman religion does become something unequivocally pagan.

So it was suppressed, though.

When the Christians and emperors came into power, they suppressed it.

So I'm talking about like coexistence.

I just want coexistences.

Well, here's how I'd put that.

In many ways, Christianity arose because of the spiritual insufficiencies of Roman religion.

And it gained traction in large part because of that is what I mean.

So when a people decide that there's an aspect of their

You know, an aspect of religion they reject, I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, you know, like also.

Um, in Islam specifically, there is a view that, like, all the religions, you know, the prophets were sent everywhere in the world, and it comes from one truth, right?

Yeah, and maybe, you know, this really corrupt religion, like Roman, the Roman pantheon, might have a source that's good, like, from a, from an actual prophet.

Like, just to give you an idea of, like, and I don't mean to say this dogmatically, but it's just like, you know, there may have been some a non-pagan kernel of the Roman religious view, but I think that really came to a head with Judaism on the one hand in Judea, right?

And Christianity on the other hand, where like this was like a confrontation with the pagan aspects of those religions directly.

The biggest problem I have with Abrahamism is like the iconoclasm.

Because they destroyed the Roman statues, and in China, during the Taiping Rebellion, they burned down the Fucian books.

Well, would you, I don't mean to be presumptuous, but wasn't this true for Chinese history as well, like with the burying of scholars and the legalist traditions?

You mean like the Qin Emperor with his legalism or the exactly.

Yeah, but my impression is that iconoclasm is part of all of the religious traditions of humanity.

Um the there's there's a dharmic iconoclasm which was Buddhism, seems like, right?

Um but it's that's tolerated among Hinduism like as well.

Right, but we know that there's a h a lot of conflict historically because you know because of that.

So so you wouldn't support pa like um iconoclasm against pagans then?

Honestly, I don't mean to say it depends, but it does depend.

If there's a huge awakening in India and people decide that this is the path they want to go on, who am I to reject that, right?

But do I believe in, um, do I believe that it's allowed that people should be able to go to China and start breaking things and destroying things?

And or, you know, I don't believe that.

So well, you know, you talk about like Mongol modernity because the Mongol Empire was very tolerant towards religion.

That's that's I, you know, I think iconoclasm in a lot of ways is superfluous today because we are all subject to an iconoclasm.

Like it's the left that's committing iconoclasm today, right?

Destroying Christianity.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, and we're all subjected to the iconoclasm of like modern culture where like the world is becoming less sacred.

We can have all the statues and all the artifacts, but it's like it's losing its sacred quality.

Yeah, whether it becomes a tourist attraction or becomes a spectacle or something else.

So it's like.

Um, I do believe in respecting people's sacred traditions, and I don't believe in um

Uh, but there, but there are limits, you know, like it might be in people's sacred traditions to do human sacrifice, so should I respect obviously that should be bad, yeah, of course, right?

There's limits, obviously, there's limits.

Um

And it's you know it's an open question because

So as a Muslim, I don't I'm not saying this as like Abrahamic, 'cause it's

To what extent are our sensibilities where we all agree on like, yeah, this is fucked up?

To what extent does that come from Christianity though?

You know, like, why do we think that human sacrifice is just unequivocally wrong?

Or like, why do we think that, like, we all agree that, like, you know, th this whole child prostitution thing or sacred prostitution is like.

Wrong, right?

Morally, look, it's like it's societally negative, right?

You can't build a society where something like that's just legal.

It would be unstable, it would be chaotic.

I agree, but even in China there's like

And I mean this as an open question.

I'm not like uh I'm not like assuming I have the answer.

But even in China, there were a lot of traditional practices that are alien and foreign to China today, like, you know, foot binding and

You know, yeah, I agree like some of that it should have been removed.

Right.

It's a very abusive practice.

Like circumcision as well, you know.

I think circumcision should be banned.

Well, I don't know.

I mean, I disagree with that.

And that's the interesting thing.

Except for medically necessary circumcision.

Like a religious circumcision should be bad.

But I think that falls within the realm of culture a lot of ways.

Also, I don't think that African tribes who do things to mutilate their own bodies are necessarily committing a wrongdoing.

Not mutilating.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't necessarily think that's kind of a culture thing.

But it's like, you know, it is interesting because it's hard to arrive at a universal consensus that what cultural practice do you find.

Acceptable, right?

So, I think.

Um, that's why dialectics is needed, right?

Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Yeah, I think it, yeah, it's it is important to kind of it's important.

Like, let's say we encounter a tribe of people who like sacrifice people, right?

Like, how should we respond to that?

Um, I think just leave them alone, like, if they're isolated, like you know, that guy that went to the central island, yeah, yeah.

I used to, I used to kind of have that view, but I don't, I don't think I have that view anymore.

I think my view actually is that we should probably begin an interaction with them where we don't just bring soldiers and like put everyone at gunpoint and like you know, enforce our laws, but like begin an interaction where it could be somehow possible to communicate why you know we might believe that's wrong or why they might believe it's necessary.

And well, well, Haz, like, um, when contact has been made between extremely developed civilizations and like completely undeveloped ones, the consequences have almost always been negative.

So, I don't really agree with that.

Look at Africana, look at that.

Yeah, I mean, I could see that, but I also think it's in Q because it's not just a modern thing to do this.

Like, people have always been coming into contact with each other.

And I don't believe that human beings should be treated like zoo animals.

Like, we like to.

That's why I'm saying just leave the whole time.

Just let them be.

But that's what I mean.

Like, I think we have the right to try and establish communication.

Yeah, but isn't that imperialistic?

Like, forcing modernity on an uncertainty.

No, I'm not saying forcing modernity.

I'm just saying the possibility of communication.

And if it's like, if there is no chance that communication can happen, and they are unanimously, like, they are unanimously against it.

I agree.

Yeah, I leave them alone.

I agree.

But it's like.

But this is a bit Anglo-thinking, though, isn't it?

Because that's how the Anglos saw it.

Like, they wanted to bring everyone into Anglo-civilization, bring everyone into the world.

But that's not what I'm saying.

I'm just saying, like, Xi Jinping talks about furthering the common destiny of mankind, furthering cooperation and communication between people.

I'm not talking about imposing one uniform culture on everyone.

I'm just saying initiating a dialogue or initiating a relation of some kind where there's a you know.

Where there's some kind of communication, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, fair enough.

Well, it's good to get your clarification.

One more thing.

So, if like your infrared organization is successful in the United States, would you bring it to Australia?

Because, like, just like in the United States, we have a left-wing party, a right-wing party, right?

But they're both capitalists.

Yeah, interesting.

I don't think I could bring infrared to Australia, but I do think that a lot of people around the world, especially in the Western world, will probably be inspired by what we're doing.

And to that extent.

Because if you look at Australian Communist Parties, they're just completely like shit libs, Trotsky.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

So I think, you know, infrared.

Um, infrared is an international media kind of entity, but it's like what we're what what's what we're planning on doing concretely in America is going to be like an American thing.

But people who are inspired by that, I'm sure it's going to happen, and yeah.

Well, hopefully, I guess the organization is successful, you know.

Hey, good talk, all right.

Yeah, good talking.

That's all I can say.

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