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what the fuck is up everybody and what is this lazy chat we have so first of all i want a

confess to something i'm fucking filthy right now and i'm so disgusted right now even i'm disgusted

i just got back from the gym i'm extremely sweaty you know my look like my skin is dry it's a disaster

so i'm going to have to apologize for that this is not my most presentable form but i don't want to keep you guys waiting longer than you had to just so i could look better

uh you know

so yeah i just got back from the gym

and you know i've been spending the better part of the day

doing important shit things that matter you know

things that matter you understand

but i'm here

and give me a damn second

all right i'm back

so

i want everybody

to understand something right now we're going to be having a twitter space debate

but before we do that i want to actually talk about some of the recent drama that's gone down

with the grey zone

and i guess i'll cover it i will cover it

i'm just letting you know i'm going to cover it

for i covered i want to tell you it's nothing new the news isn't new but there's a video we have of ben or and that's recently gone released

and i want to kind of talk about why i'm not focusing on this as much as i otherwise would be even though it's like a huge win for infrared

you know i've spent a better part of my career attacking leftists and attacking leftism

but when you actually

analyse the reason why case by case

it's because i've always believed

that left zone was right wing

the left arm helps the right wing

that leftism hurts the cause of communism

that we're approaching a political realignment and these people are obfuscating the meaning of what

communism is right

i went after bread too as my first target

nobody can say that i'm a leftist no one can say that

even though i am left wing

but i am i genuinely believe that we are at the point

specially with the exap now and now no one can complain

about the right being censored

um at least as much as they were before i guess

now i think we're at a point where a lot of that has become superfluous and redundant

when you have a convergence between leftists and the right wing

traditional right wing at least on being pro war and on

you know um

the neo nazism and things like that

i think it's high time we just planted our flag in the ground

and by the way we will still fight leftists and defend ourselves from them

but it's like

i feel like i've already conquered them

in a way i feel like i've already

gotten what i needed from the ben nortons and the hakims and

you know and hassan pikers it's like that is to me superfluous and won and done

and you know i don't really see

i don't really see how they can

i mean they're not competing with us for the same audience

they're dwindling if you ask me in size

and i think we've already proven that we are a far more effective

you know

we are far more effective promoters of communism than they are

straight up

we are far more effective at promoting communism

and the left wing position than they are

and we are the ones doing the work of fighting the right wing

so it's like i don't know

i guess that's why i don't really care as much as i otherwise would be it's like

yeah ben orn's a fucking weird though

and we are going to make fun of them and have fun doing that so don't don't don't make no mistake of that we are going to do that but i'm just like

you know i don't think leftism is the primary contradiction

i think the primary contradiction

and i sound like joe simms saying this but i don't know what else to call it

i think the primary contradiction is a neo fascist threat in this country

you have antifa terrorism and right wing terrorism antifa and blood tribe

converging into one thing

i mean look at guys dylan burns in ukraine

is actually with the azov battalion like last time i checked i think it was yesterday

and he admits it he's like yeah i'm i'm with azov right now

so it is like

you know

we're not the leftist of

the twenty tens we're not a leftist in a conventional sense but it's like

politics has changed ok

these bread tube dylan burns like

tranny whatever fag people

they're all neo nazis now openly neo nazis and if they're not that yet

they're like slowly converging into that

the blue haired s j w

he's like a far right nazi now right

so we are really just here to pick off the leftovers of the right

who have not awakened to that fact

think

and just basically usher in this political realignment

like yeah there's a political realignment going on

and you're going to start to see a lot of the people who were formerly right wing or right wing sympathetic

are going to become left wing

but the grifters

are different right

people like charlie kirk or james lindsay or jack pysobiac

i don't know or stephen crowder or mike sernovitch these are all people who have made their name

off of the prior political alignment that is changing right

so these people are the ones resisting the political realignment because

they're going to have to undergo a complete ideological

re education

to keep up

with how the realignment has happened

which they're obviously not willing to do and can't do for obvious reasons

you can't even blame them but

we do need to usher injustice

by drawing attention to the fact that these people are grifters

they're just grifting

right

and they don't actually reflect the material reality any more so that's why we're going after the right

so ben norn we are going to cover it i'm going to we're going to laugh at him we're going to react to it

but i want everyone to be clear that

you know

censorship is more or less gone on twitter so now we're actually

fighting the ideological crusade

now do we want to round up white right wingers and kill them or put them in a gulag just for disagreeing with us

obviously we don't

but we reserve the right to very aggressively fight them

in terms of ideas we have a

we reserve a right to wage a very aggressive spiritual battle

were not interested in attacking their families

we're not interested in getting people fired from their jobs

were not interested in violence

were not interested in throwing people in jail

but we are interested in waging a very aggressive spiritual war

to

because we have the right right we have the right

to compete we have the right to forward our ideas just like the masses have the right to reject our ideas right

i mean you have to understand the task at hand we're here to fight the grifters not the masses

and the masses are following these drifters

and we're here to target the drifters not the masses

and so what that means is that it's on us to convince and persuade people

and effect

and give examples

of spiritual leadership

that

will convince people that our cause is just

that we are on to something

that we can unite the most advanced

theory produced by the history of mankind which is

in my view

marxism leninism

with the masses we can do this

and we need to prove it

so

we need to stand our ground and fight this battle

again thank you australia stanley appreciate you again to be clear we're not interested in violence

we are not interested in forcing our ideas on others

but at the same time we reserve the right to defend ourselves

we will respond proportionately

how they attack us we will respond in turn

of course evaluating intent

i'll give examples of this right

if a random person

you know

beef's with you yo flacko let's go let's fugging go

now if an ordinary person

obviously they're going to take issue with the fact

that you are a communist or you're calling yourself one right

so ye need exercise patience and forgiveness

when ordinary people come your way and they start

oh you kami you got to exercise patience and forgiveness cause they don't understand

what they're talking about

don't be condescending

but be patient and be forgiving that's where you have to be christlike

but when some one who makes their entire living off of spreading

this false propaganda and these lies

comes at you

you reserve the right to hold them to the standard becoming of an honorable

person right

you don't need to exercise patience

or forgiveness

to the grifters you don't

so it's a crucial distinction

we make between the masses

and those leading the masses astray

spreading falsehoods and lies and making a living off of it

those are two entirely different how you talk to some one who makes a living

off of the sweat of their brow should be very different

than talking to someone who makes a living

spreading falsehood and lies

so exercise

a materialist

discretion

when it comes to these matters exercise materialist discretion

we are treading a very fine line especially if you're going to see this in practice between

demonstrating the might and power of our position

and not backing down

and making sure we exact people's respect

and nobody's going to disrespect us

but at the same time not being forceful

not being forceful and not being intimidating

and terroristic

so emphasis on spiritual

leadership

is very important

no you don't want to be violent thugs

you know getting into scuffles with people and

it's just not a good look

it's not a good look

you know people in this country

who are hard working

they don't have time for that

you know they don't have time to

be going out and doing these silly things

you need to keep it peaceful

as much as you can

and just follow the law the law already has everything you need self defense and then practise self defence

don't go looking for violence and always try to avoid violent confrontations

wherever you can

again follow the same laws that working people do

because when you act in a criminal manner no one is going to respect you

no one is

doesn't matter what your excuse is

nobody has time to care or concern themselves

with why you had to act in such a criminal

way

nobody cares

they so understand that

this is my message to you

and i you know i play with airsoft guns

onstream

as a prop

as a as a literal as a as a metaphor of sorts

but i don't actually mean you should take real guns and start

flaunting them in this way

i don't i don't mean it literally you have to understand that i mean it in a poetic way

for me a gun on stream is poetic it's not literal i don't actually mean

literally take guns

and i know pete the message i send

seems like

you know

because i it fits my character to be fair

i do look like a guy who should be carrying

and a k forty seven in real life right

i just want to be clear that that's not my message to you

right it's not my message to others

that i think you should be running around with guns

and intimidating people

but i do believe there's a poetry to it that i very much do believe in

and that's all it's just poetry it's it's interpretive

interpretive dance if you will

in any case

ah there's that

which is very important and crucial for me to cover

another thing

is that

we also need to be cognizant and aware

that we are also going to be facing the right wing

which is an adversary we haven't faced

in a long time

and they're gonna we you know they're i we have a we have an idea of what they're going to be like and we're going to go after them but

i want to tell you guys

something that will hopefully illustrate how

and i thinks maybe the exap has something to do with this

but there is a convergence going on between the right wing and leftists in terms of their

anti human

you know savage and zombie like qualities and i'll explain why

so we we know how the leftists are savage they're anti human they've lost any semblance or trace of humanity for a long time

we're all very well aware of that right

well recently

and i can show this to you thankfully

recently let me let me find this

ah

brooklyn

ok

so andy go is going to be

covering this

ah okay

so this is pretty disgusting if you ask me actually

so let me show you something

that i found a little bit disturbing

from the right wing

by the way airsoft there's nothing wrong with it i'm sure it's a lot of fun even as an adult it's probably fun

ok

so this is how a lot of right wingers have been reporting on this

ny post has engaged footage of a radical leftist nyc activist ryan carson being confronted by a blackmail

who stabbed him carson became celebrated for his advocacy of more drug injection sites

identified himself as a member of antifa on a social media

okay so

um

this is kind of a reversal of what leftists have been doing for a long time

and

i'm just not here for it

i'm just not fucking here for it

because

at the end of the day and i looked into the sky i looked into him

now

i would not have gone along with this guy at all

just

for the record i would not have gone gone along with this guy at all

ah and economically i would say

if you if you just abstract their class i would say it's a class enemy right they're an activist making a living

off of

the imperialist to germany sure

and they probably have a bunch of views we find retarded and completely oppose and disagree with

and and and yeah maybe one of their views had something to do with

not

appreciating the gravity of

you know

violence on the street

but

here's i think what's missing in all this

this was actually just a normal guy

you know he was a hipster he was part of that brooklyn subculture sure

but it's like he was otherwise a normal guy

he wasn't a violent person going around and

beating people

he wasn't even someone going around getting people fired from their jobs and livelihoods

he was just a normal guy

and it's like

you could say ok he's brainwashed by

this specific subculture

and he's into it and he's who cares you know but because i'm not thinking about that i'm thinking about the fact that

you know his mother

raised him when he first came out of the womb right he's an infant baby and

he's being raised and he's a normal

child and

none of that political stuff mattered and

you know if they came to be part of this

trendy subculture later on i mean

do they bear the entirety of responsibility for that i don't think they do

so it's like

i find it really gross how people are using this

event just to score political points

and i think it speaks to how there's been a loss of respect for the sanctity of life

and his country

i mean as much as i tell people to kill themselves

and make no mistake that is something i'll own up

to doing on a regular basis

it's actually because i feel like they're acting dishonourable to me personally the way they're acting is dishonorable

and immoral right and which bot which which angers me

um

but i don't actually think you should just start getting so desensitized to the point

where it's like your first reaction to seeing this is like oh yeah i'm going to

make this political like

like oh this guy this guy got stabbed to death

by this like crazy homeless person

ha ha you deserved it libtard

and it's like but you know what

what if he didn't know better

what if he just

genuinely didn't know better what if you really did think

that everything he was doing was for a good cause like what if he didn't know better right

um

you don't know that's the thing you're not god you don't know so why don't you just shut the fuck up and have some respect

for someone's life that was just taken

why don't you just shut the fuck up and be silent

and let his family mourn

i mean imagine you're his family and you see this nonsense and you know what this creates it creates a vicious

cycle of revenge and it's you know

if you're this guy's brother and you're seeing what people are saying about your brother thank you c o two let's say you're this guy's younger brother years older brother and you're seeing what people are saying about him

you probably want revenge

right

and it just creates more hatred it creates more resentment and

man this country's gonna become liberia

there's going to be so much bloodshed in

it's going to be so bad it's going to be a massacre in this country i i'm not even here to moralize about it anymore i'm straight up just here to tell you

we are in for a big bloody

it not not a civil war cause that assumes it's like organized it's going to be a big bloody mess in this country

and you know i guess we just have to go through it but i'm i'm i'm not here to

i will do the best i can

to get people out of that psychozomby mindset where they're just getting so fucking desensitized to the death of other human beings

because because of twitter ideology or some shit like that where you're just like the first

reaction you have to this is not

to

take a distance back and just go ok i'm not going to touch that someone just died

you know so i find this really disgusting

actually

you know

would i have gone along with this kid or this guy

absolutely not

you know

but

do they deserve to die

that's fucking crazy

and it's like i looked into this guy just for safe safe keeping and it's like

first of all this guy has family members who died of fentanyl overdoses

this guy

was like into recycling and sustainability and that was their activism by the way

and it's like sure i guess somehow that's part of the green agenda in some way but it's like

it's an extremely innocuous

form of activism

and it's probably the most innocent kind

you know

i mean like jackson was into environmentalism when he was like a kid and he didn't know any better

right

and look what jackson became

so yeah if you see a kid who's doing environmental activism it's like

that doesn't mean they're the fucking devil okay doesn't mean they're a bad person

doesn't even mean they're an immoral person

sometimes people just don't know better

right

you can't blame i mean we're talking about an institution you can't just blame people like this

for getting caught up in that

and fully immersed in that and say when they die they deserve it no they fuck and don't

right

and this guy just seemed like a normal person and i'm really sickening how people are just

cheering on their fucking death like that i don't know

but i think it just goes to show how there's a

huge level of convergence that's going on

between the right wing and leftist cause we used to say leftists are super anti human

and it's like well

a lot of that probably had to do with the fact that leftists were just not being censored

whereas right wingers were being censored

so now that thankfully

iwon musk has uncensored everyone

now we can see the ugliness that's coming from both sides

not just from the leftist

you know we used to say the leftists are more of a threat because they're institutionalized and they have that support

because they don't get censored for it and so on but it's like

the right wingers are playing into the same thing

by and large

and i want nothing to do and if i'm creating a communist organization in this country

we don't want anything to do with that

we want to rise above that

and we don't want our message to be that family members and neighbors should start killing each other

or having a callous disregard for the sanctity of each other's lives

because they don't watch the same news media and they disagree with each other politically

our position is very clear

which is that both

both of these

viewpoints are wrong

i do agree that liberals are much more intolerant

but

i mean

when right wing consciousness becomes reflexive and conscientious

it actually becomes the same as leftism

spontaneous conservative instincts that people have

particularly among boomers are totally innocuous

when they start being when they start becoming ideologies

do not underestimate their propensity for savage anti human

violence

and uh

terrorism

and so on and so forth right

so when i say there's a neo fascist threat i'm not

i'm not targeting the maga movement i'm not targeting even the republican party in particular

because i think the neo fascist threat is going to be a combination

of the far right

and left us

and tifa types and it's like they're going to converge and you actually start to see that

it's the it's azov it's azov isation right they're both

socially tolerant and progressive

while simultaneously

having these genocidal exterminationist anti human views

uh thuggish views i mean that's what we're dealing with the the biden

neo nazis

and these people have lost humanity make no mistake of it they're not human

and i'm not saying they're not human

as an excuse to like oh i'm dehumanizing them i'm not dehumanizing them i'm reporting to you objective facts these people can sit and torture a baby and feel nothing

they have become desensitized to everything

the minimal of what you would consider a human being would find sacred

these people can rape torture and kill

without a motion

and not only without emotion it gives them pleasure

so i'm telling you that these azov types that are emerging that's

anarchists

plus

these people are not fucking humans

they're not

it's like

and you know these are the people who would rape their own mothers

and that's how you know they're not even human because even their own parents are like sitting here being like you know what

i love my son

but put a bullet in them cause they're a fucking danger to the world

now i'm being like hyperbolic

but it's like even their parents are out here

being like fuck yeah this is a monster

you know i didn't they're crying i didn't raise them this way

this is a monster but it's like they need to be put down because they're not human

now i'm not saying we do that

of course i'm not saying that i'm just saying like

that's how far gone they are

you know when a mass shooter goes up and shoots a school what do the police have to do typically

the police have to gun them down

because they're just so violent

and so monstrous even their parents agree to it

you know it's it's hard but even parents would be like yeah

if these people are becoming terrorists and going and shooting up

publicly they need to be gunned down right

now

if they're not acting violently but they're exhibiting terroristic and violent psychology you know what i'm going to go and say something i've never said before

i actually think we should adopt a china style approach

whether it's isis style

fundamentalism and we need to be very careful about it

and obviously we don't want the current government to be doing this but like let's say in a hypothetical communist government

should we really wait for terrorists to engage in violence

before being able to properly classify them as terrorists and

take measures to prevent them

from and from carrying out these acts

now i know this can be a

abused to a great extent and it seems like it violates

free speech principles but

when some one is openly saying yeah i want to go and shoot up and kill all these people with a gun

i think you should take them seriously

again i'm not doing the leftist thing where they're like oh

if you're a conservative

or if you're whatever

ah you're a terrorist and you're a white supremacist cause they were they were abusing it but it's like

you know dillon rufe is someone you could have tell you could have told you could have

seeing that they were a violent threat before it happened

right

you could have seen dillon rufe was a terrorist

before they committed the act that they did

and it would have been easy to do that right

and this is the approach i think most civilized countries take

russia takes this approach they don't tolerate any of that

terrorism stuff they don't and they have a zero tolerance

china doesn't either

and you know

hypothetically our stance is rider die free speech right now i'm just saying

we need also think about how if we were ever to get into power

i mean yeah terrorism is something you want to prevent

and it's terrorists give themselves away an anti social terrorist is not hard to spot

you don't have to do all these like mental gymnastics to justify it

and i know people can find ways to abuse the system

and that's why we can't really talk about it until we can find air tight ways

to prevent the system from being abused but it's like

there are a lot of people you could just see on twitter you could be like that's a terrorist lock him up because that's a future mass shooter

and they're a danger to society straight up

like the person who's talking about raping children and

engaging in violent acts of like smart people racial minorities like yeah lock that person up that's a terrorist

that's someone who's like openly saying like

yeah they're going to be the next new zealand shooter

or they're going to be the next christchurch suitor you know like yeah

straight up lock those fucking people up like animals

and perhaps give him the death sentence

although that might be too far but it's like fuck

that's a wild animal

and i'm going to go ahead and out on a limb and say something

if some one can like consume violent gore and violent porn

and openly get off on it and like celebrate it

that that person is

you can guarantee they are capable and even intent on doing these things in real life

you know

the mon the you know there's a there's a market for monkey torture

did you know that

there's a market for monkey torture in this country

monkey torture i've talked about it before right

yeah those people

i mean it's not a stretch that keep an eye on those people because they probably are torturing children

they're probably intent on doing it too

it's just like it's kind of to me this isn't the same category as pedophilia yeah we believe in free speech

but do we believe pedophiles should have free speech to no

to uh

have child pornography no we don't believe that

we don't believe that

right so in the same way we also don't believe terrorists

should be allowed to be terrorists

and

i remember watching a documentary on this on the oeyger situation in china

and they're like why all these repressive measures

and what the chinese guide to me was just so it was so rational what he said he was like

he was like it's quite simple

why should we wait

for a terrorist outbreak to happen

we should do everything in our power to prevent it from happening

like why should we wait for it to happen

we know there's tariffs here

we know what their intentions are we're going to sit around and wait for them to commit the crime

no

we we have a i mean a

a people's state has a responsibility

to defend its population

and i know it's a gray area because people are like whoa is all right wing ideology terroristic

also with the insults like are all insults violent terrors

and what i'm suggesting is much more modest where i just say

when people are online talking about

committing violent terroristic acts

you should take them seriously

and act upon that to do everything in your power to prevent them

from carrying out these acts

if they're not doing that

then you know i believe in free speech

um

as a matter of principle

so

you know but i'm just saying it's like damn there's actually like you know look

i think twitter's way better now than it was before

don't get me wrong i believe it's better now than it was before right

but

at the same time there is like

pretty crazy it's getting pretty crazy out there i just get pretty crazy you know this shit i see is like

and when i say crazy you know i have a high

tolerance

but i'm like seeing gore i'm literally seeing gore now and i'm like huh

huh

ok this is a guy like getting killed and this being

huh you know like damn

this is pretty crazy you know and it's like it's better than before where you would get censored

but at the same time it's kind of like

ha

you know

and i'm not saying what twitter needs is more censorship

but i am saying

the world needs less terrorists in general

and i'd prefer to get to the root cause of that

um

i do believe

anti terrorism

and it's like oh is that the war on terror with george w bush and it's like no

every society whether it's russia china any other society

in the increasingly high density information age

has to deal with the threat

of anti social individuals

spontaneously using

a physical means to exact harm upon others

in order to make some kind of statement or

something like that like

that's a problem

objectively and it doesn't matter what the ideology is it could be

a isis terrorist it doesn't matter what it is right

and and the key word is it's like some of the guaz one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

and then i'd say true

but i think where you draw the line is how anti social the terrorism is an example

are palestinians terrorists to me

i don't think palestinians are terrorists because

even individual acts of terrorism

reflect

a specific social situation

like reflect an objective

national

conflicts and struggle of some kind right

irish terrorism of the ira is that terrorists are blowing up buses and shit

i wouldn't say so because it's not anti social

its furthering an objective social cause

right like object and it's not ideological it's like objective this is an objective circumstance wasn't that the same as a

white identity extremism it's not

because white

nationalist

ideology is an ideology

it has nothing to do with like

the actual national reality of white people

nothing at all

it's a completely synthetic and artificial ideology

much like isis as a matter of fact right

white nationalism or as we should call it white internationalism

is the same as isis it's a completely synthetic artificial ideology

which does it which is anti social in nature which means

very few families or parents are proud to have white nationalist kids and if they do they're an anti social family

that has no community

right

like your average community wants nothing to do with these blood tribe freaks

right

but

a palestinian or an irish is much more likely to harbour a member of the ira

out of sympathy

his reflects their situation objectively

so there's i'm not

espousing the ideology of george bush in the war on terror because

the word terrorism can be abused i agree but it's like

terrorism is real

it's very real

right

i'll give you another example it's like

um

separate i don't know like

terrorism becomes terrorism when it's anti social

that's what i would say when it's anti social

when it's either anti and that anti sociality can take two forms

it can take cults or individuals

employing violent means

um

you know

at the expense of society

to further their own ideology

or it can be states employing terrorism

to exterminate populations or terrorize populations

and that's also anti social because the state

represents no concrete

community right it's an abstract

modern states and when the abstract state is employing terrorism

it's

it's a

anti social it's what breaks up communities it's what destroys communities it's not rooted in any real communal sentiment

like the terrorism of the nazis in world war ii

your average german family sitting in germany

and this was the hypocrisy of it of course but they they wouldn't be able to stomach any of that

it's not compatible with their way of life right

they would find it reprehensible according to their own family values

so that's an important distinction

that i want to make

um

very important one actually

all right let's get into the ben nor and stuff

the wabi types have started ripping azov

yeah i have seen that

and there they might be feds we don't know what they are but we know they're terrorists again anyone who reps the azov

terrorist

treat them that way and i encourage you

yes be a snitch

report them to your local government authorities

um

however that could help but their terrorists lock him up

lock em up like

like

political dialogue is one thing

a political movement is one thing

but an anti social rat and vermin

engaging in terroristic be not terrorist behaviour

um

glorifying terrorism and yeah you got a

we have zero tolerance for that

right

zero tolerance

like

you know the most i've always talked about this the most revolutionary thing you can do

is build a fucking movement because let me tell you guys

illegal

revolutionary activity

is something that only happens it's something that only happens now when a group decides

that

he doesn't have to follow laws anymore because it's attained in ideology

but because when that reflects an objective national or social circumstance

you know

because law is rooted in something laws are rooted in people

and their way of life

ultimately commuter laws are rooted in what's needed to reproduce communities remember that

so

when the state becomes fundamentally incompatible that not according to this or that ideology

but according to people themselves

you know a terrorist can be a freedom fighter in that context like do i don't think hezbollah's a terrorist organization per i know the u s government does

but i don't personally

when i analyzed that situation

totally unbiased

but when i analyze that situation i don't see them as terrorists

because they reflect their people

and they don't just claim to do it they do objectively

there's a big difference

so those are terrorists and and you know sorry those are freedom fighters

and israelis act as terrorists right in many ways

the phalanges were acting as terrorists in lebanon

that's what they were doing

you know

but hezbollah they're not terrorists how are they terrorists

you know so

so it depends and war is ugly by the way

war is ugly by the way

um so yeah that's my take on that whole brooklyn

fiasco

i genuinely think it's disgusting how many people are desensitized to death

so yeah

hold on

give me a second

ah

alright

okay

give me a second

give me a second

alright

all right

all guys we're gonna do a twitter space soon but we're gonna cover the max blumenthal

ben horn has me blocked by the way which kind of makes this a little annoying although

hasan provided a

a screenshot of it that i could show you

but

this is kind of

i've already told you of this story so it's not new but there is a new video we're going to cover

and i'm sure we're all excited to do that but guys i have to take a piss really

bad

so get

let me go let me go take a piss all right i'll be right back let me go take a piss

all right i'm back

and we are going to

be covering

the ben norton affair

ok so there's a few things so i'm going to just give you a rundown

so i know about this and i'm gonna give you a tld r max blumenthal's detailing how

ben norton

after having a falling out with the grey zone because ben kind of went full cycle with lockdown

or the covid stuff he became a covid

libtard

like worshipping the jab and all this stuff

so he got into a falling out the grey zone

he thereby renamed all their social media accounts and stole their social media accounts and stole their patrion which

led to seventy thousand in revenue that he stole

and that

max had to settle a league it legal agreement

legal agreement privately

to deal with this

and uh

basically

the grey zone and max in particular created this freak

ben norton

and i'll you'll see why he's a freak and he's just a little freak is what he is

he would otherwise be a nobody

it would be nothing without that

and um

so so but so here's something that

max did

he went all the way to nicaragua because ben norton is a cosmopolitan globe trotter

and he's just kind of fleeing america

you know because

ah

despite making all of his money off of americans he doesn't believe that

there's any hope in this country but

and when there is hope he thinks that it's the clinton family or something

anyway mr

max traveled to nicaragua to confront ben norton

ah and this is what we found he went to nicaragua

to confront

ben norton

and this is what that looks like

yeah then i need to do this for the public record

right first of all

this is just a little too familiar

this is just a little too familiar

just a little too familiar

um

i have to find it

cause this is an old picture

but it is a little

too familiar

let me find it

okay i found it

here it is

so that's what it reminds me of

ah right here

kind of it's just like the same timid

so just keep this in your mind because this is exactly what it reminds me of

and i'm sure we're all familiar with this

but it does indeed remind me of that

and i wanted to point that out

because that's what it reminds me of

all right

continue watching

can you tell the moderate rebels patrons why you stole the account from me how much money you stole from me because we had a fifty fifty agreement can you just tell the moderate rebels because they don't know your patrons don't know that you stole it

i find it interesting that he went to nicaragua to find what appears to be a girlfriend

ah and i'm not going to speak to the nature of that or is he a sex pat or whatever because i'll just let it speak for itself

i love how she immediately knows him so well

that she has to calm him down

even though what he said was so non threatening and lacks intimidation

but she knows that he's like a impotent spurg probably

who's like

kind of guy you know

and she's like she knows that he's about to have another episode

but like not one that harms anyone cause it's completely harmless but it's like the most impotent rage you can imagine look look at it

like that doesn't even sound like he's angry it sounds like he's like a

four year old like that's a

parking wise

it actually sounds like a four year old you know like it

your patrons don't know that you stole it from a puffing

like i love how she knows he's like a child and she has to like calm him down

like no no

here

have a candy bar

this is crazy thousands of dollars look how she's like comforting him like yes please give me that green card please give me that green card

lo and behold like unfortunately for her

he straight up like apparently he moved to china

so he got with her just for the green card

but he moved to china anyway

that's

that's the worst luck in the fucking world you know

i mean i guess i don't know what china's laws are if china will even give her citizenship

i guess china's way better than nicaragua but it's like

probably not what she was expecting

it's like it's really far away you know ok so apparently whether only ben norren has a brother

which

and also a twin brother at that which is

you know

unfortunate for the world

why did your brother steal from the guy it's not a lie and if there was a lie you could deny that i've all the proof i've all the receipts you try to try to steal our social media

she's like not this moment because he's like a spur and he's just like

she's like

she's like his autistic handler

she is not the artist he is and she has to like handle him

guilty of computer why do they look like that i don't get it like what is i don't understand why not some nickels right everything's right about you come to nicaragua to do this nicaragua

nicaragua i don't get it dude they have they look like they're like ninety years old do you know what i'm saying it's a looks like they're ninety years old

they just have that look i don't know what it

a lot of people have it to be fair but it's like

it's not

a good look when it's combined

with

the aggression

that they have

no one can see his articles anymore because i'm not rewriting them for him we're not here for this we're not here what kind of a marxist steals from people stole in tens of thousands of dollars from me stolen so much money from me you lied to the patrons you changed the name to multicoloring

this is really funny he lied to the public about getting imagine being like a random bystander to this

like the people right in front of them

not his brother but like

like imagine you're in nicaragua you're on the bus and you're like what is going on

i'm curious how did he find ben norton's

like how did he get on the same bus or like how did how did this happen

for the first time show support has nothing to do with dumping our kid into it your boyfriend's your boyfriend's a white collar criminal pretending to be a thing to say you've lied so many times to the public that now you can't say anything in front of me

so it's interesting if i were to confront him in real life this is how he would act

which is interesting

but in place of all these feet and travelers

the reason i can't stand this guy is just like look at how he's acting yo

this is one of the delegations for the nicaragua revolution anniversary all the activists who hate ok i got it

interesting

thanks for the five

he has so much intent all the time on social media

he's such a loud vocal attacker on twitter but this is how he is in real life which is like

huh

stark contrast of his online in real life persona

say the least

so this is ben norton's response

and it seems like his

om

side of the argument is that he calls the grey zone right wing

then he claims that he did all the work

on all the things he took

i don't know if he mentions the patriot

yeah he's kind of ignoring the allegations besides that he says that

that he produced edited and promoted everything so therefore it's his property

then he claims that

a grey zone is a

right wing

and friends with tuggar carlson like

which is which is like a deflection of the act from the accusations like let's be honest that's like

that's like not addressing anything it's just a complete deflection

which no one should take seriously

you know

so yeah

yeah that seems

seems pretty sauce to me anyway guys

there's a new

um

never mind

never mind

but there is a new tool called bard

which is way better than shut gvt i'm not going to be doing it onstream

but it's just way better than chadgy bt

like i ask it crazy questions about dual laconian analysis

of alien covenant and it's like

crazy

you know

pretty crazy

all right

amela let's go there vacant and that's why ben and his brother have that anaemic luck

yeah

it doesn't surprise me

doesn't surprise me we're going to be doing twitter space if you guys

thought

couldn't tell

and we're going to doing that now

give me a second while i say yo anonymous

official sandinista people have said privately they believed ben would stab nicaragua in the back as soon as it was convenient to him

that doesn't surprise me at all

that makes a lot of sense to me

and does not surprise me to the least

bit

it makes a ton of sense

um

but you know what can you do he's

he moved to china now and what know who knows what

havoc he's going to wreck upon china

so

let's create this

i

let's do this

all right we are here

and clear

and absolutely clear

every single day i'm talking about communism with a capital c

and we're not detracting from that cause

we're constantly doing it

and one day you're going to wake up and realize that that word has an entirely different connotation

then what you thought it had

lot of people wanted to debate me today

so let's bring them up

and have them debate me

and we'll go through with it

and we'll have the debates

and we will see if they have what it takes

lot of i saw this person

in my reply in my notifications

and they were like well haz won't debate me and then amuria was like yeah he will he'll debate you

ah so

you know

so

what can you say ricardo reporter

hello

two

what's going on

oh

mm

three

hey

how are you

let them in

how are you

what

maine

oh

hey

uh your name

what

and so i don't i don't know what's going on but i

something is

and that's what's important that's what matters something is going on because at least this person is stepping up to debate

but let's see what

what they're trying to say i'll give you another chance to actually

string together a coherent sentence

go ahead

yeah i can hear

hello yeah hello

mm

andrew

and

how are you

you're getting back

i this is

a valiant attempt

but communism still wins unfortunately for the right and he went back to requesting

like he's so intent

i'm just spending the night getting on up here

and asking me how are you

and that's like his purpose in life that's his whole life purpose

and you know it's just i don't know how people have the time

that's what i want to know like

where do you get the time to do this

pretty crazy

pretty crazy but we want to bring on the right wing for this debate

and you know we'll debate left as to we debate anyone

but we're primarily talking about how communism wins and nobody likes hearing it

because it's humiliating when you realize

you've been duped and lied to for so long why should it be humiliating i mean

in good faith it's not what you thought

it's not what you expected when they told you this is what communism is and you find out it is and you're not stupid for buying into it

because they were

you know they were they were associating a word with a lot of things that are bad

which you do find bad right i mean there is

a black rock agenda there is a

agenda by the ruling class it's just not communism

but the agenda's there and people are right for

recognizing it but it's just not communism

and that's what we're talking about but people

don't want to feel like they're wrong

and we have to address that

we have to address that so that's why we're bringing people on

whether it's the right whether it's the far right we debate anyone

we debate any of these people you know and all the same

the result will always be the same

and that's what matters in the end

you know

the result will always be the same it's just that the right wing

doesn't like to debate

and when they do it doesn't turn out well for them

so how do they respond to that

they respond to it irrationally

is there a single right winger who can come and debate it's just crazy i mean

a single one

a single right winger

who can debate

and uh

i haven't found it yet

i haven't found one yet joel davis and keith woods are still on the run

running away

we are going to get charlie kirk to debate me that is going to happen

just a matter of when

hello

i have one hundred percent proof of the trumpet and this is crazy

ok go ahead

let me get the nbc nightly news one of his latest interviews there

you skip the forty five forty nine minutes in

and

like twice within that minute

his eyes twitched like a reptile

one

anything else

mm

sure let me just share it

skip the forty nine seconds in

here's a jumbo trot

so you're not even going to make an argument you're just going to say you have straight up proof

yes i do i have straight up proof

okay

okay what

okay

i am not going to be able to show a video

through the blue stacks capture

and i'm and then i'm running so it's like i don't

okay just you know can go look it on their own time but look up n b c news trump interview and skip to forty nine minutes in you'll see trump twitch his eyes like a reptilian

uh huh

interesting

no

i posted it on my account i don't know how you use the jumbo tron so

yeah

it was good talking to you i hope you cover this some time because many people need to know

well i'm sure the truth will reveal itself in due time

no

thank you for letting me spread this message

okay

so we are looking for the right wing to debate

and uh

you know communism wins

and maybe we have to change the title because they might be scared of entering a debate space

with such a title

so let's

let's put it something more like

do something that'll

at least

let's be something more like

mm

all right well we are here to prove what's very simple

the right wing is a bunch of frauds

bunch of losers they've accomplished nothing

they give jibber jabber and they

yep yeah

for a very long time and nothing to show for it

let's bring bob

go ahead

go ahead bob

go ahead

ah yeah there we go

yo haz

or subman or sub

can you hear me yeah i can hear you

uh yabro so um

we've spoken before right so you probably already know what's

what's going to come if you remember me i don't remember you

ah sure thing um

yeah brother look i'm gonna drill it to you one more time you know i'm just gonna give it straight

you cannot be a muslim and a communist at the same time so i don't know

which side you gonna pick

it's either you pick your religion or you pick this philosophy that you're so obsessed with is one of the two

ok are you god

is that what you're going to come up with on you god

i'm asking you are you god

doesn't matter i mean no of course not

who cares what you say

i mean brother look here if we read the books if we go through the books if we go through the faith if we go through the koran the hadith the practices of the prophets

does it say anywhere that we have to

you know follow this

ideology which is like inherently atheistic

very material ideology

does it say that you have to cure hunger and disease and illness

why even on about you know this is going this is going like a whole different direction house oh it's not i'm sticking i'm sticking to something very simple here i'm sticking to something does the koran mention nuclear reactors

wait are you trying to say that the koran is like archaic or something is that no i'm trying to say that you're abusing the koran to make it seem like

absolutely not absolutely not absolutely well blab the problem is that you're trying to make it seem like anything that it doesn't directly cover

is somehow incompatible with it which is just silly

no but islamically communist communism goes against specifically goes against islam

unlike any other obsolete

i mean the proof is in the hade's right and in the koran is old there's a couple of verses that speak about the rights of inheritance right

under communism

does that such thing is that being the only type of property the quote on talks about is what you can hold with your hand so it's actually personal property my friend no my friend i actually very well see how they translate property isn't it with your right hand

excuse me

let me repeat my question okay how well versed are you in the koran

i'm asking you a question what how does your state to shut

your fucking mouth and answer my question

how does the code on refer to property

just answer that question and don't

inquire about my knowledge because you're going to get nowhere asking that question let's stick to the not the content

of where that knowledge would matter

how does it refer to property what is the language it uses

go ahead

odd

i'll i'll give you that right it is right i mean it is it it is correct that you said that you know it talks about property in your hand but but it's also another verse right that you forget to mention

um i don't know why you forget mentioned this but i already mentioned it in the beginning

the aright of inheritance is also mentioned in the koran how it should be divided

that's fine if i let's say i have

a few watches or if i have a house even

or if i have uh you know if i have some antique statues or something

and i die

what's wrong with inheritance who said that's against communism

it is quite against communism right why communism you can you name me a single islamic state

in history

wow so you're going to that example now i mean you cannot really beat me in like the department of

if you want to focus just on inheritance we can do that

just to be clear but

i thought you would be like already aware of the fact that you're getting fucked on this point

but if you really want to talk about how inheritance is incompatible with communism and sound like a retard in front of everyone who doesn't even know about basic history of communist states

where there was inheritance in fact

let's talk about it why do you think that inheritance is incompatible with communism

even though every communist state in history recognized rights of inheritance go ahead

look here i'm going to admit here straightaway um

i'm not a flippin higlian communist whatever you don't need to be

going to meet you again because you're gibbering

you do not need to be a hegelian communist

to know when you should not be opening your mouth about things you have no knowledge of

if you're going to sit here and say that inheritance is incompatible with communism

you need to explain why every communist state had rights of inheritance

so that's the first thing we need to overcome

why are you making claims about this subject

without investigating

does islam say anything about speaking from ignorance by the way

is it wrong to say things without knowing what you're talking about

in general you're the expert so you tell me go ahead

eath and the horan has led me to the conclusion that communism is absolutely against our religion i don't need to have a full depth understanding of communism in order to come to you generals many scholars in a i don't care about these scholars

i'm going to ask you concretely to give me why examples of why they're incompatible

because before you gave the example of inheritance and fell flat on your face

so give me more examples of why you think they're incompatible go ahead

oh just because you said that you ready

yes i'm right on

yeah you ready

which type of society has the prophet sala a waslem told us

to follow

through with has he specifically said that we should be following karl marx's ideology or did he say that we

have to follow his one

he the prophet didn't even talk about a little bit

okay i'm going to mute you because you're clearly terrified sitting in london

the prophet didn't actually talk about future theorists

who would be pivotal and instrumental to society

the guy who cured polio for example came up with a polio vaccine

is fundamental as a foundation of our society otherwise a lot more people would just have been dead

from from

from viruses and from disease

the man who invented nuclear technology nuclear reactors

i can continue talking about things like this

the green revolution new agricultural techniques that

billions of people rely upon just to feed themselves

the prophet didn't mention any of these people and that doesn't mean they're incompatible with islam

because what the prophet was talking about was something very specific

he wasn't foreclosing the possibility that there are future developments

in which mankind learns and discovers more things about the world and itself

as a matter of fact

the prophet encouraged education science and discovery

learning more about things that you didn't know before

the koran doesn't tell us a lot of things about

the nature of the world

it just tells us what's fundamental

right

about the nature of the world

it tells us what's fundamental

about our soul about the spirit

about god and his commandments to us and so on

it's religious but it doesn't tell us for example

how nuclear fusion works it doesn't tell us how the steam engine works

we have to learn and discover these things by ourselves it doesn't i mean if the koran sufficed

for all human knowledge

why does a doctor need to go to medical school why don't they just memorize the koran

who would you rather have operating on you

a jewish person who's never read the koran in your life

but who's a surgeon who went to medical school

or a random scholar who knows everything about the koran but has never gone to medical school in their life

and you mean to tell me and mock

the religion of islam in such a way as to say

that all that matters is what's in the koran and that we should give up being human beings and

searching and discovering how to improve our lives after that

friend you made your point

can i continue

respond to my concern i asked riga

can i answer you

yes

all right

you get one thing wrong my friend all right

our religion

right it's not just a it's not scientific alright it's not scientific as in like oh this is how you cure cancer this is how you cure this this is something that alas of hanoitaila has give us you know the achalach you know i mean not alah you know the mind you know

to discover ourselves these are like things that we can discover ourselves right

but

the thing you're getting wrong at right is that islam is a political religion in a sense because we do have

you know

things like the sharia

that we have to follow as a muslim

right we have specific

um ways of doing things right

we have specific rulings on what is the

what is what form which goes against communism which goes against communism just letting you know

uh

it doesn't though because sharia is a form of local common law

when it comes to the form of state corresponding to an islamic society

there has never been a single or constant one what you've had are dynasties that have

risen and fallen

which in terms of being able to organize and

rule in a sovereign way over huge land masses and people

could not

solely rely on the sharia because it's a form of common law which

just regulates the rules and customs

in which how people associate with each other

it doesn't actually cover exactly how an empire should be governed or ruled

and if it did then you'd have to speak to the question of why there has never been

a pure islamic state why they've always had the feature

of some kind of

a physical dominion of empire which cannot be reduced to religion go ahead

look i have a feeling here that you

so

so in the interest of saving time i'm just going to be clear to you that i don't care about what your feelings are and i would just want you to directly respond to my

argument or question i don't care about your feelings respond to my argument go ahead

it's so on the edge right now because probably this is like one of your major conflicting points

okay

i'm not on edge

but you're gibbering and yet yapping wasting a lot of time i'd much rather just prefer to debate right wingers but i'm giving you a chance

but you're wasting my time

so you actually have to get to the point you're trying to get to

and if i unmute you and you keep trying to make observations on

my psychological state

or talking about your feelings i'm just going to promptly remove you from the space so here make an argument

the floor is yours go ahead

i've gone

picnic

so you're admitting you can't make an argument

no i'm not making i didn't even i didn't have i didn't have time to make my argument here house you're getting a bit emotion don't talk about my psychology or your feelings and make an argument go ahead

my i just said personally like i mean all right fair enough has i'll play by your by your rules for now

but yeah let me just make my point quickly all right

alright ha

akhi go back to kuran and soona follow the way follow the guidance leave the skufar ideology does all after request to you humbly if you are my brother in islam

so you have no argument

no no i already made the argument this religion goes to me this ideology i attempted i already gave you a few

you have a british accent right

i mean yeah sure

you're in london right

are you going to ducks in or something no it's just like that's your that's your like

that's your whole scene actually no i'm in amsterdam

okay that's even better the anglo dutch empire so blas

i am to communism as you are to the anglo dutch empire

just like how you have adapted islam to the hideous calvinist ideology of the british empire with its brutishness and

its crudeness and its anti civilizational nonsense

i have adapted islam

to communism right

so i am to communism in relation to my faith as you are to your british empire of londonistan

which is just a vassal of the british empire

your whole notion of religion

is based in the metaphysics of anglo saxon civilization and nothing more

and that would be fine had you recognized it as such

but instead you're confusing this for the views of the prophet and that's my issue with you

the muslims in china have nothing to do with you

the muslims in russia have nothing to do with you

the moslems even in india have nothing to do with you

you are a

ideologist of the british empire

and you're confusing this for islam

this crude

hideous

brutish ugly

completely philistine and vulgar ideology incompatible

with the basic premises of civilization

is what you've confused for islam

can i can i make my point

yeah

all right has

hazman

you're a very funny guy but let me ask you this question right because you given you gave me this example of like hey where's the islamic state has followed sharia thoroughly right let me ask you one question has

where is your communist islamic ideology the combination of both being practiced

no country the only countries that are muslim that hold a power right now are the very countries that you so much despise

to the extent that i have entertained a islamic communist synthesis as a society

it's just been hypothetical i'm not dogmatically asserting

that you know it's going to happen in a way i know

i don't advocate for sharia law in america i don't advocate for building an islamic state in america

i'm just a communist

right

so

while i am personally a muslim

i don't live in a muslim majority country

so my personal religious beliefs are not really

directly relevant now they could be indirectly relevant

that's up to other people to psychoanalyze

but you can't say it's directly relevant cause it's just not cause i have no interest

and forcing islam on a

america

i do think that i claim that islam and communism are compatible by the way

is not the same thing as me saying

that this is the only form islamic societies can take while being islamic

i do think that for example

you could argue that the ottoman state was in islamic society and civilization

even though it wasn't

directly communist in the sense of referencing karl marx

so i'm not the one you just logically getting your arguments confused i'm not the one claiming

that there's only one form

that an islamic society can take you are claiming that

i'm the one who's saying in addition to the islamic societies we've seen

throughout history

it is possible that you could have one that is

synthesized with communism that's all my i did that therefore there doesn't need to be an islamic communist society for my point to have validity

alright um

prove to me that islam and communism can coexist

the burden of proof is on you to show how they can't

i mean i gave you an example right

no you didn't all your examples fell flat

no no i mean you have to i just have to play back a few seconds when i give my example

what inheritance

no no i didn't i didn't not not that i was talking about the example namely any country namely any country where a synthesis between islam and communism has

has sprung up

there's none

i would argue that among that against each other we muslims of china would beg to differ i think they have a local synthesis

of huey muslims okay first and foremost hue muslims are also

what

also almost starting to get

targeted by the chinese government so i don't know what can you give relevant examples of that

it's true they're getting targeted slightly can you give relevant examples of that

what do you mean examples do i have to show you sources

yeah you do because i think you're going to listen but i don't i don't like using we could pedias a source i don't know much about you muslims but when i was going wikipedia i read a little bit about them sort of maybe you should have again why i don't like buy your stick

and i muted you by the way so don't keep talking but this is why i don't buy anything you're saying because it's like

wikipedia is edited by mi six agents

not hourly

probably not even minutely but secondly on every second of every day they're editing it right

it wikipedia is a tool of the unipolar empire of the west

you know that

and yet you take it as gospel

yet you claim that i can be a muslim who's also a communist

but you can be a muslim

who

fully subscribes to the ideology of western liberalism

i mean you're reading wikipedia and saying this is the truth

so why can't i read the communist manifesto and say that's the truth

at least i'm aware

that i'm not just a muslim i'm also a communist

you seem to think you're just a moslem not also a western liberal

or a slave of the british empire

so that's the issue here you told me your sources wikipedia

as if that doesn't align with a specific bias and agenda

to defame china in a specific way which is just nonsense

go ahead

all right

stop meeting me first and foremost all right because i'm not a hackler like you

i have at least a little bit of respect to let people finish and literally listen to people when they talk bob you don't have the respect to let people finish because at every turn you've taken the opportunity to interrupt me

until i meet you

so let's not pretend when i when you first came in this space

by the way there were two things going on in my head

i said to myself

is this a guy i'm going to have to constantly mute

or am i going to keep my hand off the mute button and they can control themselves

within seconds you had to be muted because you kept interrupting me

so you are clearly someone who can't control themselves

and that's not my fault so i'm going to continue muting you until you can show some self control go ahead

your stream so you make up you make up your voices no problem for me so let me just bob i just muted you again

because i just want to make the point

that while i was saying all of that

you were talking

when i unmuted you when you were in the middle of a sentence no one could hear

which just goes to show you do need to be muted because you can't shut the fuck up

had i not muted you

nothing would be legend nothing would be intelligible at all

you clearly maybe have a porn addiction you just

do not have the control

in order to actually

measure your words and just speak

when you're going to be hurt

when you speak and i'm speaking at the same time no one hears anything

unless i mute you

so stop doing it go ahead

oh okay uh listen i don't know why you brought this porn addiction stuff in i i don't even know

how you psychoanalyze that but

i don't watch pony stuff for luck

let me continue now

with uh man i actually forgot i was going to say man thanks to you because you go on for way too long house and people just don't feel like

you know speaking to any more because you just go for way too long making zero points just going into a whole monologue and then people just forget what they have to say

the wicked muslims thank you for reminding me has thank you for reminding me i stated already i don't know much about the huey muslims or i don't know much about them i don't think anybody here knows much about them but

in all honesty when the first thing when you look up muslims is that they're also being prosecuted like you go on google you go i hate saying i already said in the beginning i hate saying that i'm using wikedia as a source understand like let me finish

when you said wikipedia has no source i agree with you but i don't know much about hiram muslims and i haven't read the whole phd paper

but one

does not have to look far to realize that they are also being oppressed by this chinese

communist regime if china has china turned their mosques into a

relics of tourism et cetera whatever is really happening us

it is true it's happening there's people hui muslims who are coming out and speaking about

their mosque being turned into a museum well it's bullshit

it's not a boursher my friend i mean my friend

have the respect to listen to people who are being marginalized

how do they expect to listen to their problems

okay look man this is the same shit yeah that when hitler was going around rounding up jewish people and murdering them other european countries were like oh this is probably fake it's probably not happening

because and then when a jewish person steps up and says hey we're being holocausted here and you're and then you're going like you know you're kind of you're kind of yapping so i'm going to mute you

ah you got a number of things wrong first of all when the holocaust was happening

there wasn't a ton of awareness across europe about it there was awareness of nazi atrocities but

the whole thing didn't really get

you know

declassified

until after the war

besides the atrocities on the eastern front of course

second of all

um

what i think is disgusting about your worldview

is either it's coming from a perspective of ignorance

or wilful stupidity and chauvinism

you're looking at a situation where china's being surrounded by the

most powerful countries in the world to strangle hold and choke them

and you're telling me that if one whoe person comes out and makes up a bunch of bullshit

that it's not possible they might have a monetary incentive

with overwhelming pressure

to spin these narratives

don't talk to me about individuals coming out and saying gibber

because i could just as equally come out and say

that america is closing down my mosques

they're not

but what if i went to china and said that

and the chinese media boosted me all that's chinese propaganda

if you want a narrative you're going to find people who are going to push it for you

i know about the situation of the hui muslims in china

and their laws are respective they do synthesize islamic culture with communism

their dietary practices are observed to such a great extent that it causes resentment among a lot of han

for example if you're in a hui muslim town with a halal restaurant

you cannot have non halal food within like

the exact specified radius i think it's like miles and miles

specified by sharia

and this is what the chinese government upholds and enforces

and hui muslim towns

and areas there's no alcohol

for example

so you're just really ignorant you don't know anything about china and you're speaking from the perspective of an agenda that wants to destroy and crush it

if islam was not a religion that

believed in justice i wouldn't be muslim

to me a big part of islam is justice

and you uphold injustice which

the credibility of your words means nothing to me

you know you don't even believe it you don't think it's fuck and unjust

how they are lying about china like this saying bullshit

just because china decided that it doesn't want to be a slave of the west

and you'd buy into it yourself like an idiot

that's unjust

straight up

i don't care about

your pretences to religion

don't talk to me about religion if you can't be a good human being

and you're acting like a

very immoral person

when you're posturing from this perspective now go ahead

i'm telling you right now

in your life i will forbade you

from walking

into the much little harem i'll tell you right now haz

if you try to come to much of the haramia in mecca

i'll stop you right there

bro you're not going to do nothing bro

as you're dishonest man you're going from one mass it's how are you going to stop me

now i want to know this how are you going to stop me

please explain and go through the

details how are you going to stop me

go ahead

i'm going to stop you i don't need i'm so big i'm strong communist i'm going to gang up on you bro we're going to gang up on you that's it

don't worry come to saudi river come to macarranna i'll prevent you from going there

how are you going to know when i'm going to point listen no no we're going to we're going to focus on this point because this is what you've decided to say

so you and your

ape like subhuman rat gang of faggot salafis

are going to come to mecca and gang up on me

and you're going to assume i'm not going to have my own gang

hey blob don't forget what my people did to you in iraq and syria you isis bitch faggot

don't forget that

don't come yer talking tough to me

i'm going to tell bashar where you live bitch how about that

i'll tell bashar al asad where you live

you and your subhuman rat ape gang is going to come and prevent me from doing what

you faggot coward

i will beat the shit out of you with my fists until you scream and cry and beg to god to save you

do not fuck and threaten me blob you don't know who the fuck i am

or how little patience i have for faggots like you

who make these empty threats

i take the threat seriously by the way

go ahead

you know what mutta is him i muta upon your mother i muta upon your sister

if you come to the united states of america where i have a second amendment right

we're not going to have them shanks yeah we don't do that shank thing

you will get blown away

if you put me in a hostile self defense situation where i feel threatened with my life according to u s law

come to the united states of america and see what happens to you

come to my hood and see what happens to you fucking bitch

we have the second amendment here you will get blown away

you got that blob below bits we don't do that shanc the boyden we don't do that shit here

we don't do that here

you got it we don't do that here

i personally wish you were a salafist oyger and china put you in a fucking camp

put you in a fuckin camp where you deserve you fuckin rat that's where you fuck and deserve

to be in

you're a fucking terrorist is what you are

you are a terrorist

you deserve to be locked up

i don't care what society they're in

when them dutch and british come to deport your bitch as they don't want you immigrant fucking scum terrorists i support them

this is my message to the peoples of the netherlands

how long are you going to tolerate having this

riff raf subhuman scum terrorists in your country

kick these fucking people out

they're fucking terrorists

they're threatening you your families your communities

get them the fuck out

they're not civilized

they don't respect any civilization anywhere they go

they claim it belongs to them

they don't respect anybody

they don't respect any civilization they're hostile to everybody

get em to fuck out they're living off welfare kick them out to put them

you're a fucking terrorist is what you are

just like those azov people in ukraine you're a fucking terrorist

so get the fuck out of the netherlands

you're going to threaten me

god help people living in the netherlands with how you act

you need to be deported boy you're a fuckin terrorist monkey chimp is what you are

you need to be deported boy

go ahead give me one moment i'm going to come okay

i'm going to end right

alright

your end everybody get out of the way he's about to blow

he said he was gonna end

what does that mean

stay at least seventy to ninety feet away from me

within the sufficient blast radius all right i don't want anything to do with that

and i hope you're not on a plane as you say you're about to end

somebody needs to fuck and restrain your ass

your own religion

what's that have some say my friend have some shame bro go to the mosque

all right reevaluate you i am a chinese

a communist and you're an oyger and i'm putting you in the camp bitch how about that

where you fuck and belong re education you're going to have to be singing songs of chairman mao

you fucking animal you wild animal have some fuckin respect

you fucking piece of dirt

you're a piece of filth is what you fucking are

this is why in muslim countries they spit on you

they don't want nothing to do with you

you're a fucking terrorist every time you terrorists get caught they all cheer and they're happy

spiritual jus tryin to live their funk in life an you come

with your fuckin autistic gay retarded faggot nonsense

in such china i got the true sharia shut the fuck up bitch and you disconnected

blib you shut your fuckin mouth you piece of shit you're going to prevent me

from doing something you with your gang fuck you

thought you

don't fuck and talk to me like that boy i'm american citizen

my god you just destroyed that one time bomb broke crazy

yeah well

he disconnected himself

he disconnected so who knows how that happened a g go ahead

hey so

i hear you're pain about what

he had to say

and what you delivered

um

i do see you have a russian flag on your profile

i am russian

i'm also a u s citizen

and let me tell you this

us russians we don't speak to people like that

i've seen some of them

let have some on

issues with other people without break the first warned

to represent russian flag with such negativity to others

i don't want to interrupt you but what do they do with interrupting me

so let me think

so you say i'm a christian

i grew up right next to moscow

i respect mosques and i respect muslims

i'm some of my best friends here in texas

and i am in texas

so

what did they do to terrorists in russia

i think that sentence would be a great way to handle that suggestion for you

it is true

calm down

and

others speak as well

this will let you know

what you are doing well

let me finish

and when you speak

and you push others while you push the rules come to others

how in should

pursued life

this is not a muslim

way to do that

i know

how works

what can speaks

i grew up

in siberia

and i've lived around moscow too

we don't do that we don't treat people like that

if you wear a russian flag next to your profile

that's an embarrassment russian flag next to your profile

we don't act like that

you have nothing to do with russian people that's how you treat people

okay

no

if you make a mistake

simply make an apology

at least a tent

if you can do that

then perhaps

social media is also not for you

okay w what does i'm going to ask you again

but how does russia treat terrorists because you're claiming that i should apologize

for speaking badly to one

so what does russia actually do to them is it worse than speaking badly or what is it

you must represented my question

you see when you twist my words

you losing credibility

an earlier speech

my speech is very simple to you

is that you're so negative

not only to others but also to yourself

you put yourself on the same level

get people trying

to attack you

and a lot of times

throughout this conversation

you never realize that most of the time

nobody attacked you

you're a fight row

so is ye with all due respect the problem that's making it hard for your message to come across

is does this person claim that if i go to my holy place for a pilgrimage

that him and his friends are going to kill me and prevent me from going

so i don't i don't really like what you're saying would make sense that no one's attacking me

if this was just on the substance of the argument which by the way he refused to make to attack you

he was just a cock a bunch of sheep

he would want to attack a pup

somebody

you know it and providing to go to

art to go and prevent you from going to a holy place

let me tell you nowadays

russia would be there to back you up

and people like myself

from texas

why would you even buy a plane ticket to go there

no problem

i tried to tell you is do not fall on that level

that's not

must look

i think

why did you just make a mistake

it's not the moslem way but i think you have to appreciate the fact that i don't claim to be a wise moslem sage

and i think that most young people have my temperament i wouldn't say that

i should be singled out here

i mean is it the moslem way no but at the same time i'm human and i have a right to get frustrated

and i have a right to be offended and i

you know i have a right to want to defend myself when someone is

speaking nonsense to me because i come here and i bring anyone on and i give them an opportunity to argue in good faith

and they take advantage of that

i could just ignore everyone right but they take advantage of my willingness

to hear their perspective

in order to abuse that and start insulting and disrespecting me which

i think any human being would find uh

frustrating to say the least

listen i agree with what you said

but what i'm asking you do not fall on that level

yeah i try not to i mean after all in practice i'm not going to threaten people for having beliefs that i don't share

uh you know to come and do this or that so this is not something i'm interested in doing but

you know i i get frustrated when i constantly give someone an opportunity to make an argument and they just go to personal attacks

and i have to mute them and and

continue to ask them to make an argument

we come across people like that and daily lives and on a daily basis

but it doesn't mean we have to act like those people

but

i wish you the best

and i really hope

five

you would be able to see

my point of view become a better person

you don't have to do what they do

because they try to provoke you

ok well i appreciate your advice and you know i'm going to say i alternately believe that you're right i do believe you're right

i don't think it's wise to

to really get worked up over it and you know

you know in the future i do want to be more sage like but

in my profession it's just very easy to get frustrated in

you know

uh in real life you know it's not really

look at it this way i agree

but

i'm looking

i deal with these people like on a daily basis

yeah

slava she

i agree

i agree totally

yeah i mean you know i respect your advice you sound like you're older than me

so you know i

i appreciate and understand where you're coming from

it doesn't sound good when a young guy speaks as i do

in general anyone speaks as i do right

but i mean no offence i don't mean to

put disrespect on the russian flag or misrepresent it

but you know i just hope you can somewhat understand where i'm coming from as well at the same time

acknowledged thank you for that

all right so

off kid

off kit or do you want to say anything

hey what's going on i just wanted to try to touch on a topic i probably haven't

i caught a lot of your material before but i think i have

i've heard you have like a four or five point basic plan and i think one of them said that you wanted to switch back to a gold back currency

i don't

i think it was more broad and it was two kinds of ideas one is

energy based currency and then currency based on minerals and resources which could include gold

but what i'm really interested in now is the idea of an energy back

currency which is something that

henry ford actually talked about

um

years ago while henry ford talked about a currency denominated like directly in energy like kilowatts

i think it's interesting the idea

of a of a currency somehow backed by or related to

energy resources

considering how closely tied

the value of currencies are in practice to things like oil right with the petro dollar system

so probably probably energy

um

is where i'm more coming from i don't

i don't really think it's possible to go back to gold maybe gold in part

but

in whole i don't think it's sustainable

yeah

do you have any current favorite economist a living

that you kind of like are really into right now

yes but it's not really related to the energy backed proposal

he's an economic historian he does have some prescriptions today michael hudson is probably my favorite i would say that's my number one right now too so i was just going to say that when i hear a lot of kind of like people kind of the old austrian economics people are the ones who try to revive the gold backed currency stuff

when you hear kind of more i think hudson

is definitely communist but i think he has like a trot i think he speaks a lot about his family comes from a trotsky family but he's he's definitely my favorite economist too right now i think

there's a lot of good merit in just the i know a lot of people don't like to worried about the inflation risk or whatever but the current

fiat system that we have now is a sovereign free floating fiat exchange is what a lot of the marxist people who are interested in in government spending

and kind of like a

a criticism of kind of like the laissez faire capitalist stuff that they can't even approach long term public innovation and research and only a publicly planned economy can kind of do that stuff all the people that i have kind of come across recently with a marxist and keynesian background kind of want to stick to a free floating sovereign fiat currency

and they kind of use that as a way because a lot of the stuff that we think about like the national what is a government deficit and how that stuff and how government in a publicly planned economy really would spend it's kind of like we've just been getting all that stuff wrong for decades so i just wanted to slowly start

touching on that with you but it sounds like you're completely open to the currency doesn't sound like you're nailed down to a gold back currency but i just that's what i was going to talk is

what you're talking about sounds a lot like mt

yeah that's exactly what that is

well i'll tell you my perspective on that on the one hand i do believe that gold bugs

and a lot of people don't understand that

the dynamism of

fiat more or less of the ability to kind of

manipulate the money supply

it's fundamental for modern economies it just is right

in general

which is why i have an interesting idea

which is i believe in a separation

of

what i would call a reserve currency which you might see is a more kind of objective store of value

which also is um

commensurate at the level of foreign trade ride with other countries

and then perhaps another kind of currency

i think the two should basically be separated that reserve currencies should not be the same

as the currency that's used to finance

the domestic economy

a reserve currency maybe can be exchanged for that but

i think china doesn't have this system quite yet but something kind of similar to it where they have a

currency that's for the purposes of circulation internally and then of foreign exchange currency

i forget exactly what they're called

so i guess my idea would be that we have a

um

a reserve currency probably one that measures are ever

dynamically changing

kind of wealth in energy or consumption in energy

and then

perhaps another currency which

can be used as a tool of policy making

but i don't i don't believe in m m t because i think it's too much of an extreme

to say that i

currency has no intrinsic value at all

which i reject i think

you know um

there is an objective basis to wealth and value

but i don't agree with the gold bugs that it's like something well they actually they don't actually believe that which is interesting austrians

but if you were like a hardcore marxist you would say like the only real i think the jehu people have this position

the only real currency is gold because it's the only thing that can store

labor value right it's the only real commodity money

i think that's too extreme as far as like a modern

policy making position

let me

mt definitely does say that i mean the u s kind of has we used a petro dollar as far as foreign exchange within the oil markets

but we also have the fiat further so we kind of use kind of like a petro dollar in terms of oil foreign exchange and then we also have just the fiat so we kind of have the two headed kind of thing going on right now too but as far as the mt claim basically from the way i understand right now is what gives the fiat currency value is

basically the ability to tax i'm familiar with that

it's not like it's just it is

it's kind of self i'm aware of that but

the all the theories of where

value comes from an mt

relate to

what do i call this i

the fiat power of the state itself like the state

can arbitrarily create value by virtue of its authority and that something

i

i reject it for a very simple reason is to me the authority of the state

is

coming from something

that's not the state

and that's where i think m mt collapses like

they claim more or less i mean in so many words it's like

value comes from the authority of the state in the form of the ability to tax

but the ability the ability to tax doesn't come from nowhere doesn't come from scratch

the state doesn't come from nowhere either it has material premises

which i think are probably closely related to energy

i would say closely related to to

um

things that are not within the sphere of control of the state you know

you know one of the big sources of

the legitimacy of a state nowadays is the ability to have

sovereignty and energy the ability to provide energy to businesses and to consumers

and to households

you know nothing makes for a better

cause of

domestic unrest

then constant blackouts and lack of electricity right nowadays

zero

you know that i'm not trying to reduce the state to that but i just think it shows the state is not based in the state the state is based in things

the state cannot itself control

yeah but i mean

but at the other hand too like and really like a tax is just a voucher whether you break it down until like a

you know ten people into a room or like you you spend ten dollars and you

you know you you have like three coupons and you know you or like you give your kids you know an ability to say all right well i'll let you go out maybe like on a friday or saturday night if like you know throughout the week you know i'm i'm going to give you these coupons and you got to earn those by like doing chores throughout the week

from

so i mean like every every economy's going to have to have or government is going to have a certain authority especially over a currency so you can't you just you're not going to be able to get around that i guess i don't really understand the contention on that

yet the contention is not the existence of fiat but the notion that the value of

comes from the government itself which is what i don't believe that i think

and

the ability to tax also depends on the ability

to produce wealth in the first place

and

i don't think i think it kind of puts the cart before the horse you know

well and i guess it's

what the value of a current i'm hearing my own feedback for some reason they're not just attributing value to the currency but that it's just kind of like what it's and what gives it its ability

in the in terms of the government is their ability to tax in terms of like i we're going to cause

we're going to give like spend ten dollars into the public domain so when the government gives ten dollars that's in effect what they call a deficit but that ten dollars goes right into your hands and we'll call you like the non government any like physical premises of wealth

for ten dollars that are spent on you know

um

a service is not the same as the dollars that's spent on life

something that actually goes into

reproducing wealth i think it's a step backwards

from classical political economy

in a lot of ways

i think kind of what they got of because when another word for physical is just kind of like a commodity back currency which is kind of like just saying the same thing and those the reason why they got rid of that is because of the

implications for commodity i got to move on to the next speaker but let me simplify where i'm coming from here

so if the government

oov

if you if the government demands that it's owed ten dollars

and that therefore somehow creates

the necessity of ten dollars of value it's going to spend ten dollars which creates

you know the need for the

the ten dollars to be funded somehow and that's the source of the tax

well is the government spending that ten dollars in a way conducive to the premises that reproduce it

and

that's where you have to kind of realize it's outside the loop of what m m t can explain

you know like

just because the government wants to spend money

does it mean that

that is going to actually in practice

create the value necessary to finance it

because the because ultimate this has to kind of go somewhere physical

in terms of like okay is the economy

working right are people being fed is food being grown is

like at some point it has to kind of reflect that so

but

i think that alone takes us out of that framing and forces us to ask the question okay well where does

the wealth of where does the value of those things come from right because the government

deciding that's going to spend ten dollars

it's not what's gonna make food more valuable than dirt

you know

yeah

well i'll let you it sounds like you're kind of at least open to the topic so i guess we'll continue this at another time sounds like you want to go onto another topic yeah yeah i always want to see what does peter ruffin have to say

yes

hey how can you hear me ya

yep so i just want to say i support like ninety percent of what you have to say but

i just wanted kind of a clarification on one thing

i'm a pagan chinese pagan

i heard you like criticizing paganism

but i think what you mean to criticize is more lucifaranism and theosophy

because you're saying the western elite is entrenched with this kind of

i want to

ask you what do you mean by a chinese pagan what do you mean by that

taoism confucianism

yeah well i think that's where there's a lot of miscommunication because

i don't see the grounds

with which to call

taoism or

especially confucianism a form of paganism

mmhmm

well because we worship like the yellow emperor so it's a non ever having god we have i'm aware but

when when we say when you say worship

that can also be translated into revere or give respect or

something like that but

when we're talking about paganism in the sense of worshipping

these various different deities

we're talking about a

dividing

the whole of let's say being into like

separate parts and then elevating the part to the status of

supremacy just because of a short term

lack of insist an example of this would be like

we're going to worship bao

the god ball right sacrifice our children to ball

even though we know this is immoral from the holistic perspective

because we think that ball is going to reward us with monetary gain we're going to

worship him in

so you see you kind of see where the

view of what paganism is kind of comes from paganism is not

necessarily

anything that's outside the abrahamic tradition as a matter of fact

i think that confucianism and possibly taoism

can be synthesized infused with

islam

and this is what sufi saints were doing

for a long time in history but in the case of like

some dharm dharmaic religions

whereas confucianism even more so because

to me confucianism is a wisdom of

civilization is what i'd call it right

it's not just the wisdom of more moors and

governing relations between individuals but also a wisdom of

outer reproduced civilizations right like at a scale much larger than the family

or just a village

to me it's like a dugan phrase it's like the dead sign of china

yeah yeah yeah exactly like

i see no reason why islam

can be compatible with

confucianism

in the same way it's compatible with being a law abiding citizen like in america for example

yes sorry to interrupt you but like do you know about the history of christianity in china because it is a bit contentious

you know about the typing i know about the typing rebellion yeah

yeah

because you're saying like confusion isn't i was not really paging but that's not really how the typing people sort because they started persecuting committing iconoclast

but i think this also happened under mao too

and confuse

confucianism

has had ebbs and flows but

i think there's always been something fundamental about confucianism that's never been

truly uprooted it's just there's been aspects of confusion

tradition that have been rejected

yeah that's what the um

ya

both by christianity and

and communism

know that's what the chinese characteristics are socialism chinese characteristics

yeah yeah i'm aware

that i think

taoism is a very

fascinating intriguing and

you know i think it

to me it's a very int interesting i would not call it paganism though like when i say paganism

and

i am referring to what would probably be called like satanism or

or the kind of new age especially the new i mean doesn't i think eastern religions can be pagan

when they are translated into the context of like

western new age thinking i think in that case yes but

well what about hinduism because isn't it by definition pagan

well the interesting thing about hinduism is it's like it doesn't really strike me as a holistic

unified

religion in the first place

right it's like

huh

we speak of hinduism to refer to like a body of different traditions

you know i'm not an expert on it

exactly right and it's like um

it doesn't seem to be a unified religion to me it seems to be a word for

different practices that come from the same region

mmhmm

oh okay what about russian what do you feel about that

yeah that would be i think that's kind of the more new age stuff that i would probably be say is probably

began

so you wouldn't say it's an authentic revival of russian tradition

no i don't think so

because i maybe the old believers

would probably be like there were a real revival of some kind

a syncretic combination of christianity with the old stuff

um and i think the old believers is probably

authentic thing but

rodnavery i'd probably say that's pagan just like in ukraine they have that similar stuff that

like most russian rundowls are patriots right that i don't really have a problem with christianity

and they're spot pertinent all

yeah i have to also say i'm kind of like speaking for very vague familiarity with it

but i just like my first impression would be yes just because it's modern

um because like ducan supports it right

even though i might my knowledge is limited so i can't

yeah cole so you know actually dance like paganism it's just i am against paganism but i have to preface that like

paganism means something specific to me it doesn't it doesn't refer just to

non abrahamic religious traditions

okay so would like the greek religion or the roman religion classifies pagan

i think in the midst of like judaism and christianity it would be cause in judaism

um

the hellenizers within

judaism

within the jewish community

we're pagans right they were flirting the jewish fundamentalists were correct

and with the rise of christianity

um

the roman religion does become something unequivocally pagan

so suppressed when the christians empress came into power they suppressed it so i'm talking about a couple distance i want coexistence

well here's here's here's i'd put that

yeah

in many ways christianity a rose

because of the spiritual insufficiencies of roman

religion

ah and gained traction in large part because of that is what i mean

so

when people decide that there's an aspect of there

you know an aspect of religion they reject

i don't necessarily think that's a bad thing you know like

also

um

in islam specifically there is a view that like all the religions

you know the prophets were sent everywhere in the world and one truth

ya and and maybe

you know there this really corrupt religion like roman

the roman pantheon

might have a source that's good

like from a from an actual profit like

just to give you an idea of and i mean to say this dogmatically but it's just like

you know that there may have been something non pagan kernel of the roman religious view but i think

that really came to a head

with judaism on the one hand in judea right

and christianity on the other hand

ok

where like this was like a confrontation with the

pagan aspects of those religions

the biggest problem i have with abraham isn't is like the iconic closet because they destroyed the roman statues and in china it

they're the type of rebelling that books well would you i don't mean to be

presumptuous but

wasn't this true for chinese history as well like with the burying of scholars and the legalist

the tin emperor is legalism

exactly

my impression is that iconoclasm

is part of all of the religious traditions of humanity um

there's there's a dharmic iconoclasm which was buddhism seems like right

but that's tolerated among hindu as well right but we know that there's a lot of conflict historically

because you know

because of that so you wouldn't support iconoclasm against pagan

it it dep it dep honestly it's i don't mean to like say it depends but it does depend if there's a huge awakening in india

and people decide that this is

the path they want to go on who am i to reject that right

but do i believe in

do i believe that

it's allowed that people should be able to go to china and start breaking things and destroying things and

or you know i don't believe that so

mm

wait hanging about like mongol modernity because the mongol empire was meant to be very tolerant towards religion

that's that's i you know i think iconoclasm in a lot of ways is superfluous today

because we are all subject to an iconoclasm like that's committing icon today

the strike christianity yeah well and we're all subjected to the iconoclasm of like modern culture where like the world is becoming less sacred we can have all the statues and all the artifacts

but it's like it's losing its sacred quality

yeah whether it becomes a tourist attraction or becomes a spectacle or

something else so it's like

um

i do believe in respecting people's sacred traditions

yeah

and i don't believe in

um

i

uh but there but there are limits you know like

it might be in people's sacred traditions to do human sacrifice so

should i respect right there's limits obviously there's limits

um

and it's you know it's an open question because

so as a muslim i don't i'm not saying this is like

abrahamic cause it's

to what extent are our sensibilities where we all agree on like yeah this is fucked up

to what extent does that come from christianity though you know like

why do we think that

human sacrifice is just unequivocally wrong or like why do we think that like we all agree that like

you know this whole child prostitution thing or sacred prostitution is like

wrong right

morally look at it it's like it's a silly negative you can't go to society with

something like that it's just legal

it would be unstable we can't

i agree but even in china there's like

i mean this is an open question i'm not like

um

i'm not like assuming i have the answer

but even in china there were a lot of traditional practices that are alien and foreign to china today like you know foot binding and

you know

yeah i realize it should have been right it's a very piece of practice but circumcision as well

i think second chosen should be bad

well i don't know i mean

um

i disagree with that's

and that's that's but that's an interest except the medically necessary

religious because it i think that falls within the realm of like culture a lot of a lot of ways like

also i don't think that like african tribes who like

do things to mutilate their own bodies

are necessarily committing a wrong doing

not mutilate themselves yeah yeah i don't i don't necessarily think that's

that's kind of a culture thing but it's a you know it is interesting because it's hard to arrive at a universal

consensus that like

what cultural practice do you find

acceptable right

so i think i

that's why dialect is

yeah exactly yeah

i think it is important to kind of

it's important let's say we encounter a tribe of people who like

sacrifice people

right

like how should we respond to that

and i think just like if they're isolated like you know that guy that was a central island yeah yeah i used to i used to kind of have that view but

i don't i don't think i have that view anymore i think my view actually is that

we should probably

begin an interaction with them

where we don't just you know bring soldiers and like

put everyone at gunpoint and like you know enforce our laws but like

begin an interaction where it could be somehow possible

to communicate

why

you know

we might believe that's wrong or why they might believe it's necessary and

well

well how's like

when contact has been made between extremely developed civilizations and completely undeveloped ones

the consequences have almost always been negative so i don't really agree

yeah i mean i could say i could see that but i also think

it's in cu because it's not just a modern thing to do this like people have always been coming into contact with each other

and i don't believe that human beings should be treated like zoo animals

like we like that's not a sleep alone let him be that's what i mean like i think

we have the right to try and establish

communication

yeah but isn't that imperialistic like forcing modernity on a no i'm not i'm not saying forcing maternity i'm just saying

the possibility of communication and if it's like

if there is no chance

mhm

that communication can happen and there they are unanimously like

they are unanimously against it i agree i leave them alone i agree but it's like

but isn't this a bit anglo thinking though isn't it because that's how the anglos thought like they wanted a

bring everyone into angles and bring everybody but that's not what i'm saying i'm just saying like season ping talks about furthering the common destiny of mankind

furthering cooperation and

you know communication between people

i'm not talking about imposing one uniform culture on everyone i'm just saying

initiating a

dialogue

or initiating

relation of some kind

where there's you know

where there's some kind of communication you know

ya ya i mean it's fair enough

was good to get you clarification it's like to infer organization is successful in the united states would you bring it to australia

because like just like in the united states we have a left wing party a loving party right

i don't think i could bring infrared to australia but i do think that

a lot of people around the world

especially in the western world

we'll probably be inspired by what we're doing

and to that extra communist parties that just completely shit lives exactly so i think you know infrared

um

infrared is international media

kind of

entity but it's like

what were

what we're planning on doing concretely in america is going to be like an american thing but

people who are inspired by that i'm sure it's going to happen and

yeah

hopefully yes the organization is successful a good talk yeah it's all that's all

way

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