INFRARED SHOWDOWN: HIGHLIGHTS

now we will begin

the showdown with our first but most

important topic of the night now this is

actually something that's a bit serious

because to me it hits close very close

to home now recently in michigan this

was

uh on november 30th just a few days ago

here in michigan in oxford high school

there was a mass shooting um committed

by ethan crumbly a 15 year old freshman

in oxford high school leading to the

tragic death of four students and the

injury of seven this story has rocked

the nation and reignited a national

conversation about the sources of

school shootings and gun violence

parents are afraid to send their kids to

school school environments no longer

make the pupils feel as safe as they

used to the whole thing has been

embroiled in scandal and recently the

parents have actually been convicted and

found guilty of manslaughter because of

their neglect

in being able to

pay attention and take seriously the

warning signs of their son ethan blade

so the question we have to open tonight

with is no parent wants to send their

kids to schools that are unsafe how can

mass shootings in the future

best be prevented and what is the cause

of mass shootings like the one committed

by ethan

rumbly begin i guess

okay

one at a time

i just it's just a quick question did

the parents actually get convicted or

didn't know they actually got charged

with involuntary yeah they got sorry

yeah okay okay yeah

so we're on the same page yeah okay

i've been arguing about this gun problem

for like i said over 10 years now

everybody's doing it for 10 years every

time yeah well me specifically it's a

it's an issue i took uh pretty seriously

all right as a gamer because there's a

lot of guns and games

so

the

the big issue here every single time

something like this happens it's

propaganda for gun culture for american

gun culture

there are a lot of guns in video games

aren't there yeah but okay well we're

talking about americans in america then

there are people so there's more videos

one at a time it's harmful inevitable

john will go ahead and then

the problem we're seeing here helga

zeplaroush of the sheila institute

has addressed this before the new

violence that's spreading through

america and the rest of the world

it comes

from this stochastic

terror inflicted on us by the media

by violent horrible

images being spread around and

pornographic depictions of killing

through video games that they give to

kids to play video games instead of

studying in school

as well as through

netflix in forms like squid games

which is so traumatizing to kids it

makes them have dreams about squid games

where violent things happen

all right there's two things there's

still turn again though you're not gonna

do like me like this new game is just

like uh desensitizing life on earth it

is creating all these uh just

exhibitions of murder and massacre

that's just like you know preventing

people from actually uh appreciating

humanity for what it really is no one

cares about art no one cares about you

know poetry or have you read the odyssey

it's totally dumb

and it's entire epic about fucking war

dude literally people have been killing

each other just as long as saying people

haven't been killing each other i'm just

saying the uh the culture of violence in

america

especially with the advent of uh video

games and this uh less loosening of

restrictions on violence and media has

uh i would say correlated with the rise

of all sorts of violent uh issues that

are ingrained within american culture

that's just false though

millennials are like one of the least

violent generations in our history so i

have no clue where you're getting this

from i'm not talking about melinda they

haven't had the chance

hey can i get in here real quick grow up

playing uh

games where you right after talking

yeah look i'm gonna jump the fuck in

here really quickly as someone who's

like straight up from detroit with this

shit so i i saw the side effects i saw a

lot of what was going on in the

immediate aftermath of all of this there

was i was driving to work the other day

and there were schools that were being

blocked off by police because of the

like actual crazy tragedy that went down

here but it's more important to note

that since we're on the topic of it

again there's like actual data that

shows that video game playing has no

direct correlation to shootings in and

of themselves we all saw the written

house case i mean they literally try to

say you know do you play this video game

where they kill each other and shit and

he was like yeah but that had like

nothing to do with it they were using

that as evidence and shit

no i mean you can say it's wrong you can

say it's wrong all you want you can say

you're wrong all you want but like

that's patently not true there's no

strong corollary evidence here that we

can see any of this in and here's your

correlation you're ready for the

correlation i know what a barrel is i

know what a trigger a hammer uh you know

wait wait hold on wait a moment

i know what it is wait wait a moment

wait a minute

thanks to call of duty charm hole don't

you describe yourself as a gamer

accelerationist yeah absolutely and i'm

tired of this fucking conversation okay

i'm tired of oh is this well if you're

tired of the conversation you can leave

the panel bud no wait i mean gun culture

this is the gun culture

shouldn't you be defensive in movies

it's fucking everywhere because it is

core it is essential to the american

soul is gun culture and what i want to

do is i want to accelerate it past the

point of oh what's the problem the

problem is

we don't use the guns

or

uh

for any any like progress right it's

just it's only defense but then only

evil people get to use it for offense

it's just it's

weird right sorry are we gonna are we

gonna let the hipster surfer moral

grandstand on us some more because like

here's what i want to talk about here's

what i want to say you guys have talked

a lot

there's no common

cause for every single mass shooting or

every single school shooting that's

happened in modern american history so

it would be

uh you know short-sighted to apply like

a common solution to all of these issues

right all these questions are the common

issue

that's not true but uh what we do know

is that with all of these uh individuals

who do these shootings school shootings

they're disturbed and they're dangerous

they're violent right um in the case of

this individual uh this kid uh he had

expressed that he was gonna you know

potentially do something violent he had

written blood everywhere there as

someone else mentioned on the panel

already there was improper uh you know

discipline disciplinary action that was

not taken by the superintendent and by

the teachers and the parents themselves

the kid had access to a gun that was

purchased on black friday but um i think

if we really want to address this

especially as someone who believes in

the right to bear arms in this country

you need to look at what is causing

people to be disturbed and what's

causing people to have these you know

mental health issues

the most whole like the whole sided way

that you can possibly there's a bunch of

reasons why people have these mental

issues but you need to look at all of

them and try to address all of them okay

so it's pretty much alienation and we

see in the last 20 30 years it has been

increasing and school shootings i think

especially in america are one

symptom of this alien societal

alienation in general right we have

people who are like uh closed off people

are constantly closing themselves off

from the rest of society uh especially

now during ko we can see even more this

happening you know depression rising we

have like a moment like in cells what

the fuck is that like what the fuck is

wrong with people right like so uh you

have all these things and school

shootings are a part of this and there's

i mean it's interesting because as far

as i understand america is the country

with the most cool things like they're

literally like a regular current so like

i mean i think to a large extent the

problem in america is that there's like

a lack of this kind of a social state

like uh some sort sort of like a

collective understanding uh and like uh

acceptance within society right where

people you know you're constantly trying

to build walls around yourself instead

of like engaging the community more

actually having like some sort of like

uh

crew based

yeah

i think it's a big problem yeah the

issue the issue whenever

guns get brought up in any single

context in the united states it seems

like people are just outraged about guns

in general right without getting to any

real solutions and i think that's the

biggest issue with this and when

anything else if you look at the numbers

yes school shootings happen in the us

right but it but it's only like a couple

right and and like compared to

if you look at how many guns there are

in the u.s and like

how many guns are in circulation in

general compared to people and all of

these factors right in the grand scheme

of things generally people don't really

die from school shootings in the us it's

like a couple of people every year

and of course it's a tragedy it's a

tragedy whenever anyone dies but that's

not the big issue in the united states

right and the reason why this happens

very clearly

because the u.s does not have

a good support structure for mental

health the issue is that the united

states does not have a good structure

for dealing with mental health which was

very clearly the issue in this case

right the kid was very obviously had

mental health issued anybody could see

that even his parents were notified of

this right by the by the school as well

like the school asked to to give him

like mental crisis mental health within

48 hours of the thing happening right it

just didn't happen because the us does

not have good support structures for

this that's the real issue there's

another streamer on twitch bx bullet

literally got firearms on the back wall

right and everybody's like yeah

the problem again for the millionth time

is the gun culture

yeah so i just wanted to say that i

think it's really important to look at

this and other like school shootings i

think the strongest correlation is the

mental health we saw the signs from uh

ethan crumley like right off the bat you

can see the shit about him drawing the

word blood and a handgun you can see the

fact that his parents knew about this if

you take a look at his actual existing

social media accounts and things like

that there was some seriously fucked up

disturbing shit on there just posting

pictures of like distorted people's

faces like really dark guns and stuff

like that so the world knew that he had

all crazy like mental health situation

or was way too into creepypastas i'd

argue those are one and the same however

i'm just gonna throw it out there right

now that i think yeah but like the

problem is precisely that like people

people see that and then they don't give

a fuck they think that's somebody else's

problem

i'm going to agree with you it's a

collective issue for sure yeah we need

stronger community structures and

stronger people don't have the

consciousness of that that's yeah i know

so we need to make people more

consciously aware and i think is like

the american left we can make people

more aware of mental health struggles

and building infrastructure around

getting these people who are clearly

sick taking care of because we need to

have that community mindset of we're not

just in this as individuals we're in

this as a group we need to make sure

that each of our own are taken care of

we got to have these strong foundational

measures for sure and then we'll see a

decrease in school shootings look at

like columbine for example right again a

very drastic case of mental health

issues or if you look at that uh that

fucking kid nicholas cruz in florida a

couple years back again some seriously

fucked up mentally unstable dude there

so by your own admission you're

admitting you're saying that if a kid or

anybody is posting a bunch of gun

culture shit to their social media they

are unhealthy in the head right well

you've been completely taken out of

society by your gamerism yeah i need i

need to do it

okay so guys

where do we stand as far as this uh

discharge against the parents of

manslaughter is this a just charge or is

it an unjust so we are actually going to

take it from the top starting with ico

banded charmel all the way through so

starting with aiko would you agree with

this charge or what do you think i

definitely think they should at least be

charged and then you know see how it

goes what about you ben do you think

this is a just charge or uh i i really

don't know the the like uh to what

extent like they're responsible um but

like if if there was negligence there

there probably should be some sort of

like

accountability for that although i'm not

sure how it works in america

so uh unfortunately charm holding

negligence has stepped off so we're

going to skip him dario what what do you

think yeah i actually i actually want to

make uh make it hopefully a cohesive

argument as to why i don't think it

makes sense to charge them maybe find

them maybe

so the issue is to me is when i uh

because i'm very big pro rehabilitative

justice right and i don't think charging

them just to

punish them makes any sense when you

look at like in a rehabilitative manner

right so so i'm not interested in

punishing anyone i just want to prevent

these things from happening in the

future right so if you want to talk

about negan

you can't find all the details without

charging them right so uh what about you

dylan what do you think why okay oh can

i just finish yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

let's

have something go ahead finish finish

yeah so so so i could the only thing

that would change my mind is if there

was evidence that they specifically like

encouraged it right so if they if they

encouraged it in some way or or like

said hey listen you fucking you should

your classmates or pieces of shit or

whatever like if you could find evidence

about that sure that would change my

mind but if it was negligent behavior

that could have been seen from like the

school or like from the counselors or

friends or anything right then i don't

think it makes sense to punish the

parents because i don't think that

prevents these things from happening in

the future if you want to find them to

help them like take care of the families

or or fund some stuff or whatever that

might be fine but i don't think like

jail time or

further punishment makes sense or even

suggesting a punishment it's just a

charge

and all right what would you charge them

with they're being

manslaughter aren't they yeah but that's

what but but that that

that would be jail time

no not necessarily it depends on like it

depends this is discretion like people

it would they'd figure it out but i'm

saying that if you don't charge them

with anything then then what they were

the end of the line they were every uh

the the fucking school informed them

multiple times like so let me let me add

some uh details so apparently juan

there's maybe some missing information

apparently according some reports uh

ethan was actually gifted the gun by his

father on his birthday i believe or

something but apparently that was his

gun i don't know if you guys heard that

or like a recent birthday i i'm not

exactly sure but that's that's what i've

heard if that's the case

uh i don't i don't remember i think it

was on the news wait no i mean and

obviously uh depends right i mean if

they weren't negligent in other ways

then it doesn't matter that they bought

them the gun people buy guns for their

kids all the time like my parents bought

me a gun i had like are they as culpable

as this guy's parents i haven't checked

up the school yet but are we gonna wait

for me to shoot up at school or are they

already bad raising school shooting kids

or having bought me a gun before like so

the issue the issue for me fundamentally

so dario you got to wrap it up because

we need we need yeah yeah

i'll wrap it up so fundamentally for me

the issue is what are we trying to do

with a charge right are we trying to

prevent these things from happening in

the future or are we just trying to

punish the parents because we think they

did a bad thing right

i don't think charging them in any kind

of i don't think charging them in any

kind of way is going to prevent them

from raising a kid to be a school

shooter in the future right because it's

so rare i don't think parents

intentionally do these things right so

any kind of charge would just be to

punish the parents and i don't agree

with that like in principle i don't

think that's a good idea so dylan blake

what about you yeah so i think that if

it's the case that they uh gifted their

son that gun especially recently with

all the signs that he gave about being

mentally unstable including things that

were really readily available which is

that picture we talked about before i

think it's safe to say especially it

seems like the parents weren't even

around at the time or doing a great job

of raising their child i think they

should be hit with some kind of criminal

negligence charge maybe a fine a large

fine or maybe a short sentence in prison

because uh i feel like they do have a

large role to play in why this happened

so jackson sorry go ahead i think we

have all the evidence that's been

brought forward that will be brought

forward throughout you know the

potential prosecution of the parents so

i think it's too early to speak on

whether or not they should be found

guilty

the relevant crime isn't the the kid

went and he killed people the parents

raised him they didn't see it coming

they didn't lock him in his room the

relevant crime is with the people who

have been running this country and

denying everyone in michigan and in the

united states a future to believe in and

an understanding of human beings that is

positive the relevant crime is that we

no longer have projects like we did with

jfk and fdr like nawapa and the uh ccc

for our youth to be hopeful for and for

our communities to be uplifted by

instead every year people get poorer

every year people in michigan have to

move out because everything's falling

apart it's all being sucked out by

vampire financiers in the bank of

england to just recycle into

new bullshit what the problem is that we

have the green new deal instead of the

ccc instead of the world land bridge

that's the main problem if you put these

kids building the world land bridge kids

would love to have a future they would

look and they wouldn't

be just no hope no future my life is

miserable i'm gonna be suicidal now and

i'm gonna kill myself with other ways

i'm gonna cope with drugs or i'm gonna

lash out with a gun instead they're

going to be hopeful they're going to

think i'm going to be an engineer in the

future i'm going to go to the moon and

mars and industrialize it

i'm going to build a land bridge i'm

going to dig a tunnel to siberia

how's what is

everyone wants to go to space

when they're a kid and then they grow up

and they realize they can't so they

decide that they want to be a killer

or a druggie or a gamer bars uh where do

you go ahead yeah um for the most part

is i do think there's possibly some

little sus stuff but you know like it's

all like hearsay at this point so we

have to like wait for the information to

come out um i will say in response to

like hope pesto's like people running

the country being vampires and

everything you know what's great the

buildback better plan you know we just

passed the infrastructure bill we got

infrastructure investment we're gonna

get more jobs going so you know what

fuck all this shit hey look man if i can

get good stuff for anybody that makes me

an anarchist cool cool cool getting

better stuff for better people it

doesn't and all right so to be to be

fair we we don't want to change the

topic but since you did bring that up to

pesto mime in response to him i'll give

pesto mime a chance to respond

build back better

you you believe what biden's telling you

about build back better we just passed

the childhood tax credit cut child

poverty in half

so there's a bunch of there's a bunch of

tax cuts for kids why are kids why are

kids paying taxes why can't families

kids aren't paying taxes their parents

are paying taxes

their child taxes so they can cut it off

better so like are you literally this

stupid

i don't want to give tax cuts to kids i

want to give money to kids so that they

can spend it on education and

give taxes

to the parents so they can give money to

the kids so it's like a no-brainer dude

biden doesn't want to build back better

biden's an environmentalist right biden

wants to cut back you read the bill back

better i like to build proposals she

wants to take that ready

have you read it have you read that yes

i literally went to the proposal of joe

biden i did it on my stream you can

watch youtube videos dude literally he's

done this

noah yeah people went into that and you

tell me the society is healthy you

reading biden's buildback better pulling

back you haven't read it yet

that he's not going to care about anyway

because he doesn't even remember it you

think biden read that plan and you read

that plan and 10 people tuned in

so recently colorado republican

laura

bobert is that her name

um

uh she recently made supposedly

islamophobic remarks against elon omar

referring to

uh

referring to

ilan omar as

i'll read out what she said so she said

and i quote so i was getting into the

elevator with one of my staffers you

know we're leaving the capitol going

back to my office uh and i i can't open

it like i look to my left and there's

ilhan omar and she said and i said well

she doesn't have a backpack we should be

fine

um

she she referred to uh

if since i'm muslim do i is it allowed

that i can just give you guys permission

to laugh or am i not i don't know what i

don't know what my rights are oh

dario it wasn't great yeah i don't know

i don't know where i swear we fucked up

the laugh at this point but

she also called

she also called uh

so she she was she made remarks in

support of gosar in which she called

omar the jihad squad member from

minnesota and um so the the council for

american islamic relations called

bobert's remarks disgusting um ilhan

omar has called for nancy pelosi and

republican uh

leader kevin mccarthy to take

appropriate action in um penalizing her

somehow so i this is not a topic we can

do dwell too much on but i want to let

you guys know like was her remarks out

of line um or was it just a joke and and

people are taking it too seriously or

was it really serious should she be

penalized what should happen as a result

of these uh these remarks about ilhan

omar i mean

first off can i just say my entire

family is muslim so fuck you guys okay

we were literally killed that's what i'm

saying i was like

bro bro my family yeah to be clear

daario has the pass apparently i

actually don't know how it works on

twitch i'm muslim too but i don't know

if we still have rights or what's going

on

i'm laughing because it was actually

disgusting that she said i've never

heard that before this is the first time

i'm hearing it actually disgusting and

this is the first time people have

attacked ilhan omar like this i don't

know it's it's insane that people

actually like seeing these things as a

fucking

u.s politician so hold on i actually say

that

it does open a question though i mean i

don't know i don't think anyone here

agrees with with the comments or would

make those comments but is ilhan omar

making too much outrage over it is is it

just you know

uh absolutely

so what americans fail to realize here

just real quick is that it's all

propaganda for itself right i believe

she's the only um muslim american in

congress right so like this this

controversy is propaganda for more

muslims somebody called her part of the

jihad squad like it doesn't even matter

if it's probably yeah

listen by tonight you have a fundamental

misunderstanding of propaganda okay

propaganda works both ways and the fact

that we're happy it doesn't matter if

it's

vote propaganda

go vote for ryden okay vote for kamala

yeah i voted for like actually using my

brain okay again again the reason why

everybody's talking about it is for

ilhan bobert's on her way out she's most

likely getting redistrict anyway she

doesn't give a fuck so in order to help

her twitter count and help ilhanover's

twitter account right get more followers

and get more peeps on them tweets right

is because it's fucking edgy like

everybody knows edgy shit like and

that's the game that's the fucking game

theory right there i i don't think i

think this is just like the most

important

this post 911 uh islamophobia in the

united states you know

what what about regardless of the the

comments being justified or not is like

is is is too little attention being

focused on scrutinizing ilhan omar and

other squad members for

um you should criticize the things that

uh ought to be criticized in your

opinion right and but also

uh the uh and the islamophobia also bad

all those things are bad deal with all

of them individually you can't like

compare them to each other or even if it

is like uh i don't know a distraction

from something it'll happen it still

exists and we have to acknowledge each

uh instance of it does that make sense

it was a joke but it was a tasteless

joke and ilhan omar had every right to

be offended about it um in order for the

this is just a joke offense to work in

my opinion it has to be at least

somewhat funny the intention of this

joke wasn't to be funny it was

purely to signal to racists who find

racism you know inherently wait wait to

be fair i don't agree with the comment

either but didn't the crowd laugh at it

no i like playing i i laughed at how

ridiculous it was that this no i'm not

this crowd but the lauren gorbachev so

like they thought it was really funny i

mean

they might have had to so like

but the reason they found it funny

wasn't because of like clever word

player stuff it's because they think the

joke is that she's a muslim and haha

muslim blow up bomb funny right exactly

so like it's not a clever joke um it's

just a racist joke um i think ilhan omar

has every right to be offended about it

obviously as a you know a rightoid i

don't think ilhan omar is

i don't like ilhan omar but i mean be

honest like this was clearly done just

because of her religious affiliation um

it was gross i i don't know why bobert

did it maybe to get more followers on

twitter i think that's probable um but

yeah it's completely within the juan

omar's rights to condemn it and honestly

it's just so unfunny and so racist like

rts

it's crazy thank you chairman jackson or

pesto do you want to say anything about

maybe is she using identity politics to

distract from something else or what

about her her record is too little

attention being

paid onto that or well i'm in a

disagreement with all of you this is

clear weaponization of identity politics

uh ilhan omar has the same exact opinion

on you know the jihadists in syria that

aipac does uh she tweeted out that she

supports peace-loving people around the

world who are struggling against assad's

repressive dictatorship and these

so-called peace-loving people are the

moderate rebels that make up groups like

al qaeda al-nusra hayat rio al-sham

which are extremist jihadist groups that

are trying to take down the syrian

government uh she

was not a co-sponsor of jamal bowman's

bill to end uh the us funding of the

occupation in syria and though i flat

out disagree with what bobert said like

it's dumb it's completely insulting and

you know islamophobic and shit and all

out rude

um

she too holds the same exact opinion on

the jihadists in syria so they're really

not that much in disagreement when it

comes

uh to jihad the democrats continuing to

go along with this is a big new

brzezinski project i started with

operation cyclone and all this rest of

funding funneling money into these

violent extremists religious groups in

the middle east and the muslim world she

just sees the skin color of ilhan omar

she sees that she's wearing uh

covering and she just says oh it's a

jihad squad the entire democratic party

is a jihad squad it doesn't matter what

race you are because we know where this

stuff

it comes from the cia they were being

trained by the british that's where they

learned how to keep these operations

going in the middle east that used to be

britain's playground and it's the same

play book that's being followed by the

cia and the democrats so okay so uh

first of all yeah of course nobody

agrees with the comment right um

it is uh but but if like if ilhan omar

and all these people i have a lot of

problems with their practice i think

there are total opportunists and

sellouts and whatever um and a true uh

uh like a socialist or a leftist or

whatever somebody who's actually

committed to the cause of actually

reforming society would actually take

this and try to specifically attack uh

imperialism into muslim countries the

very reason why that the people thought

that was funny and whatever is precisely

because there's this narrative around

muslims and how they're the enemy uh

they're destroying the united states so

yeah against yeah you should like use

that not to oh my god you're racist

i'm going to cry now because of

how insulting you were but rather oh

this is a product of 20 30 years of

imperialism and even more and to

actually also point out that the jihadis

people as as best of mine said but also

i would include even a lot of

republicans there as well that the

people who funded and created a lot of

these uh fucking jihadi groups supported

them against any fucking anti-colonial

left-wing nationalist or communist

movement in the middle east and across

uh africa so yeah that is how you that

is how you use this to point out to

actual issues and not to cry about like

oh my god somebody's racist and whatever

right

so obviously this is really fucking

tasteless this was like really

important like you know like she's

muslim it's like okay you're just doing

the whole like racism and like

islamophobia shit and like that's just

like bad right and it's like okay like i

i don't see this whole buying into like

talking about how this all just relates

to jackson i want to specifically ask

you um can you show me like specifically

like if this is like a propaganda

campaign can you show me like how she

like either organized it to cause bober

to say that in the first place or is he

just like responding uh

did i say that it was a propaganda

campaign you you said it you're using it

as a propaganda campaign in order to

like hide like what all the bad shit

she's been doing when did i say that you

literally i said that yeah but like no

no i i i think the the and what is meant

by that is that they focus on these

non-issues they cry about racism instead

of focusing what what is the how do you

say the origins of that racism and they

support the origins of that yeah but

like behavior also matters in this

instance too like the whole like this is

my issue it's like when we talk about id

poll that's specifically using your own

identity to prevent other people from

having conversations on that issue right

like just because you're saying hey you

called me part of the jihad squad that

isn't using it pull that's just you

responding from like a

blatantly racist statement yeah yeah

sure right but but as a politician right

and as somebody as a muslim right your

task there right is to point out why

this happens and to attack that but

it can't do that because of the hinkle

pointed out a few things right because

like what the fuck like she actually

supports some of these uh foreign

foreign plans of america that actually

recreate and reproduce this racism and

sure yeah like i'm obviously not saying

that that's what bobert was uh inferring

that she was like by calling her jihad

squad she was like referring to

omar's comments on the moderate rebels

in syria um i don't think bobert's smart

enough to like be able to bring that up

in a concise and clear way or i don't

even know if she understands what's

going on in syria but what i am saying

is that by omar bringing about like all

this uh all this controversy surrounding

this objectively terrible statement and

thing and that bobert said and this

isn't the first time she's made like an

islamophobic comment she is you know

using this as some sort of a protection

from a critique a legitimate indian can

you read her mind

let me finish she's using this as

protection from a legitimate critique of

people who have you know vocalized their

opposition to moderate rebels in syria

these actual jihadists um to to make it

seem as though like these progressives

that support her shouldn't question

uh her support for these jihadists can

you can you show me where she was having

like actually wrote that down or she was

communicating that was her intent can

you show me that oh yeah totally i hang

out in uh ilhan omar's okay cool if you

don't know why i have the i actually

have the transcripts for you

how can you

order in the court ordering

do you guys think ilhan omar uh

selectively responds to

like criticism or like do you think she

focuses to pay attention too much

to when like republicans criticize her

rather than when some maybe typically

democrats aren't going to do it so i

don't know i mean uh do you guys think

ilhan pays more attention to when

republicans criticize her than rather

than her getting criticized

or he had people like marjorie

but didn't like the demo some democrats

also will call her out for

because she was against israel she's in

a safe district she can say whatever she

wants there was a bunch of uh syrian

activists on twitter who were calling

out the ilhan omar for supporting

jihadists when she put out that infamous

tweet about supporting jihadists she

didn't respond to any of them she didn't

you know have any outrage or crocodile

tears over that but when bobert says

that she's a part of the jihad squad

then she like it's all there's a

difference between people on twitter

versus like person and the member of

chambers of congress do you think

there's a difference there i think she

should uh be responding to uh her

constituents and the p the american

people they're they're members of syria

there aren't her constituents what did i

say that they're members of syria or did

i say there's a syrian

i think the point is i i think the point

is that yeah sure it's a fake outrage

whatever this was genuinely uh like in

very bad like it was disgusting

especially like coming from from an

american or whatever right especially

the recent history but like it is

infantile outrage right it is used for

nothing except for like yeah yeah

we can move on from this topic i just

want to make sure like we're not taking

it as a chance to like randomly talk

about shit that isn't even related hold

on uh i i did bring it up so i think i

think it was a little bit relevant

because obviously everyone here is going

to condemn those comments on ilhan omar

but i just wanted to know is does it

open up a broader conversation on

how the media and how like why is the

media only paid since omar when it comes

to identity politics yeah rather than

other things so i think there's a fair

that's an interesting conversation we

could have okay

so the thing about ilhan omar saying oh

my god

i'm offended by this you wouldn't see

that happen like a while ago because

there's been

a new kind of war that's been waged by

these cultural

managers

in america and the squad is like the

apex

of these people of these people trying

to change american culture for the worse

what we now have is instead of people

engaging in dialogue which would be that

that's the solution to everything in my

opinion is dialogue so that we can

understand each other talk to each other

about what is the maximum what is

the thing that all humans strive for in

common and understand so we can flesh

away all of this stuff sweep it away

instead we got ill on home omar saying

oh my god i feel offended i demand that

speaker pelosi come in and take take my

side on this without anything and yeah

and going on so that we can just divide

and conquer as far as we can go

all going away from each other the the

shias the sunnis the sunnis the sunnis

going away from each other the

christians the atheists everybody can

just to go in and turn their backs on

each other and go as far and far and far

into extreme

identitarianism british imperialism

dialogue okay no more dialogue no more

clubs the people who went over

and picked out the house of saud right

the people who put those guys over there

they did it because they were as far

extreme as as hateful as they could

possibly be so they could spread it

along and make sure that the rest of the

muslim world would be divided by this

crazy ideology that only a few people

listened to but now the house of assad

gets to fund it all right do you think

who put the house in there the british

who put the squad in there

well you know aoc aoc used to work for

the uh what's it called united states uh

usaid usaod

we know what usaid is usaid is a cia

right she went to

nigeria over and she's telling everyone

to be be a part of this this woke way of

thinking where instead of dialoguing and

engaging with people who say something

ignorant instead of trying to educate

them now we can say they're our enemy we

have to be just as ignorant to them we

have to wait now this is this is silly

calling

this is a dialogue gender they don't

want that to happen

they don't want no this is this is what

is called a fighting words when you also

wanna

that we disagree with

we don't even know why she said it right

but instead we're supposed to

condemn him

use telepathy dude this dialogue

there's there's a saying that they have

in uh africa or asia i forget wood if

there's two dung beetles if there's two

dung beetles fighting

over a piece of of uh

you know what dung beetles fight over

sure

yeah the are you done british probably

picked a side we are concluding the

round and we're gonna fucking vote okay

chat vote who you want to keep not kick

let's go all right let me on deafen

biden has been elected for nearly a year

now right not quite a year he's been in

office for nearly a year now has biden's

overall impact if any on the state of

the us economy been a net positive or a

net negative is buildback better a sham

or does it forebode a promising bright

and beautiful future

showdown

fight

the buildback better is a sham right

it's just to coax americans into

believing this cozy uh new like a

neo-new deal it's like help every

american get back on their feet but what

they don't know is that uh this is just

another way of repackaging imperialism

right like even as we speak right the

united states government is uh preparing

to engage in foreign war in ethiopia in

eritrea and in the horn of africa in

general we see intensifications of

airstrikes in somalia sanctioning of

ethiopia and eritrea which is who are

fighting a rebellion by of u.s backed

separatist

rebels in as in the tplf right so all

these things uh are kept in the back

burner for american news but when the

time comes when america is ready to

intervene which the uh i believe the

american commander who uh in the base of

djibouti which is a bordering ethiopian

eritrea has said that american troops

are the solution for the ethiopian civil

war right so all this stuff is uh

we'll call

us into an american intervention if uh

if the american people

are going to uh

uh sit back quietly uh

to imperialism right and i think go back

better is the perfect way for biden to

do so so um the problem i think here and

atu kind of spoke to it um

built back better right

in this infrastructure bill and whatever

they started out and they were promised

that as these grandiose plans and they

passed as they passed they were reduced

reduce reduce reduce reduce reduce

reduced and now they passed like in some

like

you know minimal form

compared to how they started out right

because democrats usually do this they

promise big but they deliver small just

so they can say that like they did

something and you know justify their

then paying power at least to some

extent right uh and the problem the main

issue uh why and this is something that

i touched on i touched on before and

that would touched on now the main issue

and the reason why americans can have

like a normal

society and normal fucking structures

and stable jobs healthcare and all that

is precisely because imperialism america

is the biggest imperialist power and

imperialism as it spreads as it spreads

all across the world it becomes more

expensive to maintain blah blah blah and

in the meantime the local the area for

which it stems from america collapses it

deteriorates it like why would why

didn't you have an infrastructure bill

20 years ago you needed it 20 years ago

right we know for i know since i'm

following american politics which is six

years ago i know that like american

infrastructure is fucking garbage i know

for for the fact that you still don't

have fucking hell you you call an

ambulance you you pay 2 000 fucking

dollars right that's fucking third world

insanity right so

the reason why the reason why uh this is

happening is precisely because people

like biden and the republicans and the

democrats here are united uh they uh

want to uh they they put imperialism and

interests of these imperial uh uh

people people who spread like banking

capital so on and so forth above

350 million people who live in their own

country and they would rather vote for a

war there is always bipartisan support

and for wars and but all of a sudden

when we talk about infrastructure

healthcare oh oh it's too unrealistic

too crazy oh that's like uh you know oh

my god like we can do it right okay that

tells you what the system is and it's

getting way away wait wait wait wait

wait i'm gonna give an american

experience uh perspective here okay

buying is not perfect okay there are

absolutely issues of buying in terms of

some of its foreign policy and things

like the ethiopian sanctions those are

actual issues we do need pay attention

to but it's not all bad either right we

talk about the infrastructure bill and

like literally we had to negotiate

because that's unfortunate how it is we

don't hold much of like majority because

in like the house or the congress

democrats so you're not a democrat i

mean i vote democrat it doesn't matter

um and you're a huge you're a voter

you're not in the best of me

yeah so basically is he's not perfect

but we have to think 550 billion in new

spending for infrastructure that's hella

based and then we talk about the

buildback better plan that's an entirely

different bill we had to separate it out

because you have to do optics you have

to do like pragmatic stuff but passing

this we're pushing for we're getting

towards it right and like passing this

would not only help increase uh more

access for people like uh like reduce

the uh medicaid shit they

get better eye care and hearing care for

older people like all better

prescription drug access like these

things are good and we've seen the

benefits through medicaid medicare and

like medigap these things do provide

substantial benefit to the american

people there are issues in our country

right now but we have to look at the

buying presidency right now not what's

bad not what's been like 20 years ago

right now what is he doing right now he

pulled out out of afghanistan we

we we were doing terrible there for

years and then we pulled out and just

remembered

and then i also want to hear what

jackson has to say because i know he has

something to say about this too so best

of mine go ahead

and say oh biden's so nice to the afghan

people okay why is afghan facing the the

greatest humanitarian crisis and you

in history in in the world right now

because nobody can buy any food because

their sanctions are so much and all of

the money that afghan had all the money

of the afghan government should have

gone to the taliban because the taliban

is the government now instead it's being

held up in the banks the banks won't

give it back to afghanistan they want to

keep it in europe

afghanistan yes we do we we've been

increasing the sanctions and what's more

important is that all of the assets all

of the assets of the afghan government

have yet to be returned to afghanistan

the afghan government currently took

over

that you know what assets are you

referring to or maybe you disagree with

them whatever the language doesn't

matter what assets are you referring to

they're in power they're responsible for

the afghan people now and they can't use

the afghan assets because the bank

are you referring to that's an

ideological difference what assets are

you referring to the banks that held

afghanistan money what money so the

afghan government had money the taliban

the president no government the africa

oh the afghan national army okay well

they collapsed so i'm confused here they

did collapse they collapsed and what

happened where did where the money that

they were holding in europe

it went with the corrupt business

government leaders they ran no no no the

government can't take it it doesn't

belong

you're on for this no we're i think

you're mistaken like the accounts wasn't

under the individual leaders of the

afghan government's names right it was

under the country so when we froze their

assets okay uh you know

okay i see the issue right okay

he was just like very vague and

non-specific okay so okay if that's

happening and we haven't returned it to

like the people yet that's bad i will

absolutely condemn that 100 is it a net

negative or a net positive my answer net

negative uh for the reasons that i'll go

into here i mean everyone knows that the

easiest way for the us to actually

improve our economy would be to

drastically reduce uh military spending

which biden has drastically increased

military spending um everyone knows that

if we worked with china in a mutually

beneficial way that we could actually

improve our economy here and the global

economy yet uh biden is instead moving

to continue the asia pivot and continue

and increase warmongering against china

um but what uh

what wordy was saying about like biden's

actual economic plan

first of all the the the infrastructure

bill you're referring to was only one

part of the infrastructure bill and it

was the privatization of america's

infrastructure right which is

objectively not a good thing it's the

site

are you talking about you had so long i

didn't i didn't interrupt you let me

finish it's the siphoning off of public

funds to private corporations for

minimal improvements to our

infrastructure we all know that we need

trillions and trillions and trillions

invested to in to our infrastructure yet

they're only investing one 1.7 trillion

or some odd over like 10 years and it's

got all gonna be siphoned off the

corporations biden said he was going to

build on the uh affordable care act but

he's not doing that he's actually

engaging in a trump-era effort to

privatize medicare uh he said he was

going to create a 15 minimum wage he's

not doing that though he did you know

increase the minimum wage to 15 dollars

for federally contracted workers which

was a good thing um he said he was going

to repeal right to work laws via the pro

act he stifled that bill as he stifled

the 15 minimum wage bill uh he said he

was going to cancel student loan debt he

hasn't done that he cancelled like less

than half a percent of it nationally so

i say by and large know his uh his

policies have been an abysmal failure in

improving the economy okay

hold on i want to let pan go but before

pan goes we want i want to see this more

back and forth between wordy and jackson

on this topic so wordy why don't you

respond to uh okay so yeah i can't

fact-check everything yeah because

that's what people came for i i can't

fact-check everything you say in real

time because i just don't have like

super processing powers okay first off

when looking at the pro act it seems it

went through the senate but it never

passed the senate so blaming biden in

terms of like not getting the pro-act

passed is like also a dumb idea also you

would have to show me specifically what

you're referring to in terms of

privatization we're spending 550 dollars

in news 550 billion dollars in new

spending in terms of infrastructure we

are literally going to rebuild roads

like literally there have been several

reports like there's the uh the american

uh uh engineers uh organization that

specifically says like that's how much

like roughly we need so like we don't

need trillions of dollars we need like

500 billion okay

huh who's doing it um did i deny it was

happening or did i say it's the

privatization of infrastructure spending

can you can you tell me specifically who

is going to them well you want me how

are they every single contract that's

been approved by the treasury for the

infrastructure built because i'm not

going to do that and i couldn't do that

that sounds riveting i want to have one

more goal talking more about is biden an

effective politician has his work as far

as the u.s economy been effective and i

want jackson and wordy to to be able to

voice or maybe dario too if he wants

voice their disagreements on on this

topic like has biden within his

abilities performed well or is he

serving special interests and

handicapping himself

is biden justified in blaming the

republicans or is it his own fault so i

want jackson to start and then i want

wordy to maybe why do you ignore me haas

why do you ignore him because you

already spoke because you're two in two

places no no i want to

republicans destroyed a lot of countries

too dude yeah i know but the democracy

no one did not all right all right all

right

okay so here's what i'm gonna say biden

is extremely ineffective at alleviating

the economic pains of the american

people right he's extremely effective in

serving the interests of his corporate

donors right um the

as we discussed i mean the he said he

was going to build on the affordable

care act yet he's actually engaging in a

trump-era effort to privatize uh

medicare in this country he said he was

going to increase the 15 the minimum

wage to 15

if he was an effective leader he would

have done that but he let a a

meaningless parliamentarian get in the

way of it he said he was going to pass a

bill like the pro-act to repeal

right-to-work laws and to help unions uh

strengthen in the united states uh it

passed the house from what i understand

and the senate but uh i i did it just

never get signed into law never never

made it through the senate okay so if

he's the leader of the democratic party

and the democratic party controls the

senate then he needs to be an effective

politician and leverage his power as the

leader of the party to pass the bill he

said he was going to forgive student

loan debt albeit not all of it but for

those of

the american people who are making up to

i think like a hundred and thirty

thousand dollars or something and he he

hasn't done that he's and he could do

that by executive order

keep in mind we've been fighting

i'm almost done just shut up and worst

of all worst of all he's increased the

military budget and he's further

isolated us from the number one economic

powerhouse who we should be working with

in a mutually beneficial relationship

china biden's not perfect but he's done

some massive good things for the economy

he's incorporated the childhood tax

credit he's been able to uh get the

infrastructure built past he's like

leveraged his position like this whole

argument of like privatization i don't

know where you're getting that from dude

it feels like maybe if you want to

listen to jimmy doremore go ahead but

like we understand is like he's pushing

for this bill and if we haven't passed

the bill yet then we don't have any

demonstratable way to say if it's either

being privatized or publicized so it

doesn't make sense to make it has any

evidence

for this bill they passed the

infrastructure bill

they did not pass the human

infrastructure bill they haven't passed

the bill back better bill i want to be

pedantic to you for once woody do you

have any evidence that joe biden pushed

for this bill he's directly said i on

his front page i support the buildback

better bill like his website yes how are

you gonna

him everything he hasn't gone past yes

it's the first year of his presidency

give him a break can you explain to me

how you how you've been in the middle of

an economic crisis

yeah he's trying that's why he's trying

to get the bill back better

if he was trying

why can't he leverage power within his

own party to pass bills he says he

supports like

better act which is his own agenda like

a 15 minimum wage or

uh like the pro act why can't he do it

he just got the infrastructure bill

passed

wait we're talking about the economy can

i ask you a question ask you a question

like

you you claim like uh at the start of

this whole panel you were saying you're

anarchist uh believers will reaffirm

uh

why are you voting for the democrats

like genuinely because we are we are at

two and two we we have to vote we have

to wrap up the round we're gonna wrap up

the round right now i'm gonna get the

poll right now let me see if the mods

have made it okay so the mods have made

the poll and we are actually going to

vote guys both to keep not kick the way

this one's going to work is it's going

to work the same as before except this

time i get to choose someone to kick

based on just my own i'm going to like

do like a coin toss pretty much random

assortment right of who i kick so

basically we're going to start voting

now

uh mods i want you to spam this link and

keep spamming it we're going to give it

two minutes

two minutes to vote who to kick

and uh yeah

we have to keep this within twitch tos

because

you know

you cannot advocate for anything like

that or do anything crazy i don't know i

don't think anyone here would but so

there's going to be a house robe that's

going to hold public hearings in 2022

detailing the january 6th capital riot

uh and the trump white house response to

see if trump was kabul also recently a

video was went viral of an

insurrectionist um about an officer who

was tased during the capital riot and he

claimed he was coerced i don't know who

i didn't watch it myself but we are

going to keep it as a topic of

discussion so the topic right now is

going to be this are these hearings that

are going to be held in 2022 are these

justified or is the response to the

events of january 6 disproportionate

relative to the crime is this something

overblown is this something that's a

serious threat to american democracy

what are your thoughts on the kirk

upcoming hearings for the january 6th uh

event and the trump white house response

um okay so i would say it's definitely

overblown

right

uh because like um this was used like

january 6 was like a big thing in a

symbolic sense and whatever right um but

it's being used right now immediately

was used after uh for the state the

american state and the establishment and

the uh generally the state apparatus and

all these other people to centralize

power even further to increase the

police uh budgets to e2 like even as far

as i know they will

clamp down on pretty much any type of

anti-establishment or anti-government

rhetoric right whether it's right-wing

left-wing and whatever right they will

consider everybody to be like a

potential threat to the state as long as

if you're against their interests right

so

yeah this is bad was trump culpable or

yeah probably to some extent right i

don't really remember to to like

he never openly called for violence as

far as i remember but he kind of

signaled you know we should go there

blah blah blah but like the people there

that were there were actually

um

from their point of view i guess uh uh

angry right because they they felt the

election was stolen uh and i think it

was led by certain groups uh

predominantly kind of more radical

elements um who kind of smashed in and

did the crazy stuff most people as far

as i know stayed outside as far as i

remember i might be wrong um

and yeah that's pretty much it it is

used to to centralize uh

pretty much by the state uh to increase

like police uh and like uh to destroy

any type of opposition that's it

okay um i'm gonna hop in here and say

okay

so uh while i don't agree with like

increasing the capital police uh

uh stuff like i don't i think the issue

is like we just didn't have enough there

and weren't prepared as much so that

issues and everything um i i do think i

have to ask you one question bannon do

you think it's okay for um like for like

the uh congress to investigate who was

the cause of like kind of like the the

main leaders behind january 6 and shit

do you think that's um

sure yeah i mean like yeah it was like

it was in a sense it was an attack on

the state right it is the state that i

don't like very much but you know they

have the right yeah i'm not a big fan of

it either i just definitely so we have

to keep in mind in terms of the uh the

rioters most of them are getting off

pretty easily uh most of them haven't

been convicted there's like probably

like 20 maybe right now out of like the

thousands who are there um that have

been like sentenced to 40 or so months

that are like more of the radical

elements like the like the extremists

like either the three percenters or the

proud boys and everything for the most

part people uh walked into the atrium

but there was a significant threat to

like lives of people trying to stop like

the democratic process and everything so

like even if like it's a state and i'm

not a fan of it if you have people who

are trying to stop like people who voted

in this process and you're trying to

like overthrow that then you're still

you're still committing an insurrection

it's still alright i agree but you don't

need to make a political process about

it right i mean you can have like

agencies investigate right but there's

no reason to have all these hearings on

the senate floor and in congress like

well congress they're there for

legislation they're not there you know

they weren't trained to like uh

investigation they're not collapsed and

stuff so like i agree to extend but it

feels like to me the goal of these uh

hearings isn't to uh you know find out

who's responsible for all this stuff i

think probably fbi has already figured

out who's responsible for all this stuff

which is why we see some rest i think

it's probably to keep the uh january 6th

firm in people's minds so that democrats

can do well in the midterms or something

like that

yeah no no no i i just think i i guess i

agree with you uh pin i agree with you

the fbi probably you know has already

figured out who's responsible for

facilitating this because it was

probably them um i feel as though this

is being this whole investigation thing

this uh january 6 testimonies all this

shit it's uh being overblown in the

sense that they're using all of this to

increase funding for the security state

apparatus or intelligence for spying for

uh you know hard on the ground uh you

know security in the capital and around

the white house i've seen it firsthand

in dc myself but what i think we need to

focus on i'm going to try to keep this

concise is the three main organizations

that were responsible for facilitating

january 6 were the oath keepers proud

boys and three percenters um in recent

years we've seen an increasing amount of

federal agents marked as unindicted

co-conspirators actually helping these

groups facilitate uh acts of terror such

as the attempted kidnapping of gretchen

whitmer 5 of the 14 members of that

group were were federal agents so i

think we need to actually overblown the

investigation even more into january 6

in the sense that we identify all of the

undied unindicted co-conspirators we

need to we need to make sure that

they're held accountable and we need to

determine the uh degree in which the fbi

the army and counterintelligence were

responsible in facilitating what

happened on january 6th uh yeah like the

fbi has a tendency and we know this not

only from like far-right organizations

but also islamic terrorist cells and

they literally manufactured terrorist

attacks from nowhere right they would

recruit terrorists themselves turn them

into terrorists and then arrest them

right you literally have proof of this

happening right yeah so so like uh but

apart from this i think this is also

trying to uh destroy uh the figure of

trump right the figure of trump and what

trump means to certain americans and

whatever and i'm not a fan of trump

right uh but like um far from it right

but uh he uh represented the reason why

they're trying to destroy him through

this 6th of january right and whatever

is because trump was very very very very

unpleasant for the uh american

establishment not so much in policy and

whatever but more in rhetoric and what

he talked about and he openly talked

about people who usually said like i

remember trump is a liar and whatever

and yes he did the lie a lot but at the

same time he set them on some of the

most true things ever and the true

things were american we go uh we will

kill you know we will kill the the the

terrorist families and whatever we will

take the oil you know he openly

blatantly talked about all these things

uh that democrats and republicans kind

of dance around right and that was the

problem the problem wasn't that he was

outrageous had these crazy ideas the

problem that he was talking talking

about all this crazy shit open right and

you you can't do that you have to be

polite in politics right you have to be

polite you have to pretend as if the

system is like perfect so so i'm gonna

let wordy respond so i'm not gonna

you're not gonna face a whole lot of

disagreement for uh from me in terms of

these aspects right i have issues with

the fbi in terms of like releasing

information there's a lot of stuff that

they usually keep like under control of

like national security claims which is a

real issue it doesn't mean everything

keeps gets kept under control but there

is a lot of stuff that i personally

would like us to be able to like be able

to access and not have like journalists

have to like directly like try to like

investigate it'd be easier just to have

that information available and now wait

like 60 years for things to get released

and um the issue that comes is uh trump

already uh he already ruined his own

image by inciting the insurrection so

like this whole argument of him's like

cause like uh people trying to like

break down his legacy or whatever he

already did it himself he made um his

code response was awful his uh refusal

to acknowledge the 2020 elections like

these things were already happening no i

agree yeah and the issue for me more

than anything is um how like uh

investigate how we go back those

investigations right i think the fbi

should investigate i think we should

just need more public and also i just

want to respond directly to you pan is

committee hearings are explicitly a

political process we have things like

the rob silverman uh reports on like the

wmds in iraq that's a political process

we have committee hearings on how those

things occur so like this whole public

hearing it doesn't have to be a

political process it's always a

political process it doesn't matter here

if it's not yeah well i mean um i

disagree like you guess obviously if

it's tested in front of a committee it's

gonna be a political process but it

doesn't have to be tested in front of

the committee i mean we have separate

branches of government just for this

purpose we've got you know a legal

system that they can go through i don't

want the prosecution of people for

political reasons to be a political

process i want that to be a judicial

process um i want them to be held

accountable not for political reasons

but because they broke the law or inside

of terrorism so that i just say that

like yeah i guess technically you're

right um but that doesn't change

anything it doesn't change the fact that

what happened was bad that we should

have gone through this from the judicial

branch which doesn't have as much of a

vested interest as um our legislative

branch does aren't we already doing that

in terms of the department of justice

like investigating what's happening like

what happens aren't

that's not happening because some of the

main people who are caught on video

instigating some of the most egregious

and aggressive you know calls for

storming the capital and committing uh

you know acts of like vandalism within

the capital are people who have remained

unindicted and not charged and they make

up the dozens of unindicted

co-conspirators that not all but

definitely some of are quite likely

members again of the fbi or the irony of

computer intelligence so here's the

issue is that's a potentiality but you

would have to show me potentiality but

if you look at recent years and the fact

that these same groups fbi army counter

intelligence have been infiltrating

these same three organizations over and

over again oath keepers three percenters

proud boys to facilitate these uh crazy

attacks or or actions or kidnappings

it's it doesn't really seem too far out

of line for this to be happening and the

other thing is also you have to

recognize that um unindicted

co-conspirators sure there are reasons

why people do remain unindicted

co-conspirators that don't revolve

around them being like uh fbi informants

or fbi facilitators or anything like

that but in this case it's different

because as i mentioned these

co-conspirators were the ones committing

some of the most egregious and

aggressive um you know calls to action

and this the the dragnet of

investigating and swooping up all the

people involved in january 6 was so

immense they they've already like

charged 702 people the fact that you

have people on video calling to storm

the capital that haven't been charged

and haven't been indicted it definitely

poses the question why they haven't and

i think we can all be you know

level-headed individuals and assume the

case why that okay

so so here's the issue for me is just

because the fbi has a tendency to do the

thing doesn't mean they automatically

did something right we investigated

communist and you're literally defending

like the security statement am i am i am

i defending them or i'm trying to be

factually accurate okay you're not being

actually accurate

you're like

i think i think the the broader question

i think uh from what i'm hearing is that

seems like jackson's saying that the

there hasn't been enough investigation

into the the co-conspirators and that he

strongly suspects him on that

he strongly suspects that the the a

reasonable inference for that could be a

fbi involvement what do you what do you

think about that i personally think is

as a possibility right fbi does a lot of

messed up stuff and i absolutely agree

we need to make sure we're keeping an

eye on that if they did that but here's

the problem right now is we're relying

on an if we're not saying in is and we

need to i need to we need to see if they

did this if they were involved and if

they were involved we convict them but

if they're not involved then we

basically say okay they weren't involved

let's pursue a new path to investigation

okay okay so so what we're relying on

right now is that we know i mean as a

matter of fact we know that police open

the floodgates the actual gates no

that's a little more complicated that's

a little more complicated no video

evidence of it no no no no no no no no

no no let me finish let me finish

because i let you talk i let you talk

okay now the other thing that you have

to acknowledge here is that uh it's not

whether or not these people are

convicted they haven't even been charged

you have dozens and dozens of these

unindicted co-conspirators that were

committing some of the most egregious

and aggressive acts on january 6 who not

only haven't been convicted they haven't

even been charged or indicted

well jackson's

jackson's right with the facts

as they are but with the the reasons why

that's where i disagree with jackson on

on everything it's always it's always

been jackson gets the facts he doesn't

understand the reasons the dynamics that

are going on that are

creating these situations here well uh

can you elaborate on the fbi

trump fired comey good for him because

comey director of the fbi

hated russia hated china trump had some

good influence coming in his ear trump

goes on on tells the people we need to

build back the economy we need to make

america great again everyone understands

this the fbi doesn't want that mr comey

doesn't want that he goes on and says a

good relationship with russia it

wouldn't be so bad a thing a good

relationship with china is

okay we just need a better deal

is there something is there something is

there something specific jackson said

you disagree with or what what what are

you what's your beef with jackson the

reason i disagree with jackson

is because he goes on he says all these

things that are true

he doesn't put them in context

why does the fbi hate trump if the fbi

is just so much like whatever evil right

wingers or something right whatever the

lefty view of this i'm not sure if i'm

representing it right and trump's also

like a right wing he's not on our side

why would the fbi care because trump

represented something trump went to the

people and he told them something that

they already knew which was that they

don't want war and they don't want

good gains for silicon valley and the

wall street what people understood trump

goes up and says renegotiate with china

let's have a good relationship with

russia let's not put so much on these

wars because he doesn't understand it

bandit was right trump went out and said

the truth about stuff i i think trump

shouldn't have said like

he realized he was saying those things

because he wanted to do them he wanted

to bomb people he wanted to kill him

on january 6th yeah

you say that's this is where we're

playing the stupid game where the

president comes up and he says puts on a

nice face and he tells people to get

ready for war because we're the good

guys we're acting in the interest of

liberalism trump wasn't a liberal at all

every republican besides trump might as

well be a liberal i think basically they

are every democrat's a liberal i i i so

peso i i i don't know where where you

you got that i disagree with you on that

stuff i mean i agree with you on all of

that and that's actually one of the main

i live stream that's one of the main

things i talk about is uh the

intelligence communities uh various uh

weaponization of their power against

donald trump when trump first entered

office and you know they had already you

know basically stated that they were

going to be going after him the

intelligence community did uh chuck

schumer went on msnbc and had a sit down

with or maybe cnn sit down with like

rachel maddow and he said the

intelligence community has seven days to

sunday of getting back at you and they

did through russiagate through january 6

through you know

putting all these uh deep state neocons

in his uh foreign policy part of his

administration to lie about syria to lie

about what was what was happening in

like africa for example um so i 100

disagree with you i don't know where you

got that i disagree with you all right

so

i don't think you disagree with me about

the facts that happened all right

we get it we get it you don't agree

about the facts you just don't you don't

think he's putting it

he's going to war with russia war with

china the way obama wanted we are on the

brink of nuclear war right now because

we just continued back up with what

obama shut the fuck up and let us

conclude the round

so

the question is

cnn recently fired chris chris cuomo

after the publication in the atlantic

that alleges cuomo to be uh culpable in

his and you know covering up his

brother's sexual harassment allegations

but the accusations against cuomo have

long preceded that cuomo has also been

embroiled in scandals such as being

found outside without a mask uh and you

know swearing at a pedestrian and

threatening a pedestrian who pointed

this out so it's it seems some are

raising the the allegation specifically

this was tucker carlson and he said that

it reveals the fundamental corruption of

the media because they're selectively

getting rid of chris cuomo um only

because

the atlantic which he calls the

newspaper of uh the ruling class um

you know did a hit piece on him

signaling they didn't want him anymore

so guys does this reveal is is tucker

carlson right is the media fundamentally

corrupt as

evidenced by this decision or what what

is going on here go ahead take it away

there are a lot of issues with the media

in terms of like organization and like

and like incentives in terms of like how

we sell our produce

so i'm talking about the atlantic's

agenda

right here the issue that comes with it

is he was he already admitted to

directly like working with his own

brother in order to like help him deal

with these allegations he already got

you got to get on in the process

fundamentally

he

did more than just like talk to his

brother he also coordinated with his

aide and there's some text messages we

can indicate that he was already working

with him so shut the fuck up and let him

talk here's the issue with uh chris

cuomo is he overstepped his bounds he

stepped out of his line of duty as like

a journalist and he took his political

motivations

and and did it at the cost of his own

job okay so we understand this as an

issue so basically chris cuomo is

getting what he gets okay like he's

being suspended indefinitely he hasn't

been fired yet but based on what he's

done and everything that's been

happening around andrew cuomo at the

moment it seems pretty well justified to

say that you're getting suspended

because not only did you talk about this

stuff that you've been dealing with your

brother you've also communicated like

hey i'm sorry and then you kept doing it

so it's like it's fair he's like we gave

you a chance to stop and then you kept

doing it you know uh okay so i'm gonna

give pesto mama a chance to respond and

then jackson yeah the atlantic what what

a shitty magazine this is this is a real

magazine everyone can subscribe to it

and read the back issues on

larouchepub.com i do not care about this

subject i concede okay uh jackson what

do you have anything to say on this or

um is the is this show that the media is

cr i 100 shows the media is corrupt

because there's actually this whole

chris cuomo thing has nothing to do with

him not wearing a mask or not uh you

know or protecting his brother or

whatever i mean i feel like most the

fucks at cnn would probably do that if

push came to shove and they were

presented with that unfortunate scenario

but uh it has everything to do with the

new uh owner of cnn's majority company

the new discovery ceo

um having personal beef with andrew

cuomo in the cuomo family and uh i think

it just goes to show like how absolutely

shitty of a human being the cuomo's

probably are because imagine having that

much power that much wealth that much

influence and

you you still can't even keep a job at

cnn you know so this has everything to

do with like media corruption personal

politics has nothing to do with

accountability or anything like that

um can i ask you a couple questions

jackson so um one question i have to ask

is you you acknowledge that chris like

directly talked about and directly

communicated with his brother in terms

of like helping him get ahead of the

sexual allegations right uh yes

okay

and not only that but he actually was

probing via his own media sources and

trying to dig up dirt on the accusers of

of his brother so if he's getting like

suspended and he's like potentially

going to get kicked out of his job do

you think that's good we're talking

about the same uh media corporation that

has facilitated an all-out blackout of

the trial and the true story behind

epstein and galen maxwell i don't think

it's that surprising or anyone really

batted an eyelash over what chris cuomo

did this is all personal politics but

you didn't answer my question

do you think it's good that he's getting

kicked out

even if the entire media company is

correct if you're directly working with

your brother and you're directly

communicating with them on this issue

you getting kicked out potentially is

like a good thing they're just going to

replace them with a carbon copy who's

going to do the same thing 10 years down

the line potentially but if we kick him

out and he doesn't do it for 10 years

that's better than doing it

automatically right like if you do

something bad you should get punishment

right i think pesto won by not being in

this conversation right now this is so

dumb uh no i i mean

the the the i mean do you really think

that cnn's gonna put like a like a

you know a a

person with like good morals in the

prime times it's hot on their public

media even about it's not even about who

comes in to replace him it's about what

we do about chris cuomo do you think

it's good that he gets suspended and

potentially kicked out

i think uh that it's probably some of

the

least

it's it's probably honestly some of like

um

the least morally indefensible things

that a reporter has done at cnn what he

did okay

so if he gets suspended kicked out i'm

glad we agree that he should get kicked

out so do we have any arguments about

this anymore is there any other aspect

you're wanting to like go down uh no

okay i think

so let me ask let me ask you a question

uh the cnn discovery um

what's his name exactly uh the discovery

ceo i just know people who have a lot of

friends that work at cnn who've been

explaining that this is all personal

politics okay

sure but the question i'm having is even

if uh the discovery ceo even if he is

involved in this it's still good it may

be a decision sure but even if he is

involved in this it's still good for

chris you got 30 seconds on the clock

pesto mime you want to you want to

storm in this and and have a chance at

winning or you want to be a lazy fuck

looks like a lazy fuck talk about what

do you have anything to say on the stop

uh chris cuomo what a what a creep

all right not dgg

donated five dollars hey i remember

woody from okay thank you not dgg for

the five dollars and we are going to go

right ahead and get into the vote um

we're gonna have it last only for a

minute and then we're gonna move into

the final round okay

so mod spam this link

spam this link and let's get right to it

okay this is this is the most

unfortunate outcome we are done voting

but uh i have to be fair i can't really

just intervene here i do have to be fair

but wordy the chat is very stupid it's a

very stupid chat they've they voted

pesto mime as the winner he didn't even

say anything um i don't know what's

going on with that we do everything

we definitely need to change the format

of how these work because the chat is

clearly too stupid to know what that

what's good for them but yeah so uh

pesto

and wordy is being eliminated just

shockingly right is jackson in second

place yeah we are going to have a debate

a final five ten minutes can i propose

something what

have pesto choose who leaves no uh

that's the rules then it's a brave fine

with that that that's technically how it

works but i i thought it was gonna be

the person who lost gets eliminated

okay um all right okay okay so pesto you

can choose who to eliminate i guess and

what we'll do is do it that way wordy

get out of here i choose jackson to stay

okay one-on-one you wouldn't let me go

head-to-head with jackson all right fine

you'll get your one on the liberals

no i have i have something to say to him

okay fine

i don't even know what the topic's gonna

be honestly i have to choose the topic

because there's not well can i shout

myself out

will you shout yourself out yeah i'm a

libertarian socialist um wordy talk

all right

now

we are going

to get into the final round and i i

don't know what to call this topic uh

other than topic is

pesto mime

right to

go after jackson

i don't know what else to call it is is

jackson really in the wrong here

or is jackson being very reasonable and

and pesto mime is just kind of so past i

want you to air all about your problems

with jackson and like just tell us

what's your issue with him and

the what the chat needs to vote on is is

who's reasonable right is is is is

jackson being unreasonable or what's

going on right reasonable

okay

okay

so pesto what what is your qualms with

with jackson you wanted to get out and

this is going to be uh

five minutes this is gonna be a five

minute debate it doesn't matter if

jackson has all the best sources on the

news all the best sources on what's

happening my issue with the way that

jackson was handling these discussions

with these people he went and he told

them all these factoids all these

whatever arguing for

15 minutes about whether a number on the

vote was one or two it's not relevant

what's relevant to people what's going

to make people wake up and understand

and live differently and see the world

positively and understand that they can

change it instead of being a pessimistic

lefty or righty same different what's

going to matter is if they have a vision

of

humanity

that is different from the vision that's

being taught to us well how does that

how does jackson lie

how does jackson like that like explain

just talk about jackson jackson doesn't

explain anything what jackson golden he

tells people he tells people what

happened physically okay what happened

uh chronological don't the facts matter

but he doesn't go on in people and he

doesn't bring it jackson said so many

times through this thing oh you know

that there's a multiplicity of issues

here there's not

there's an issue there's a central issue

there's a central way that the world

operates it's one physical universe that

we live in it belongs to people it

belongs to god people are made in the

image of god but people don't understand

when jackson goes and he says oh well he

did this he did that that's like you're

describing what what your dog did or

something

it's not understanding that people when

you go and explain to somebody what's

wrong with the world you need to explain

to them why they are great what makes

them greater and how the future is going

to look if jackson goes and tells people

oh there's this there's that he doesn't

tell people exactly what the future

is going to look like but does doesn't

he dispel he dispels the establishment

narrative so doesn't he doing a good job

establishment narratives but he keeps on

to the one establishment narrative which

is that you have to care

right okay jackson do you go ahead and

respond to this guy

the main narrative the main narrative is

that we're arguing about these things

whether they're blah blah blah or not

we're not talking about more fundamental

issues about the spirit of god that's

inside people and why that's being

what's it called push down so jackson go

you can go ahead and respond um

listen peso i've never been as

speechless as i am right now in a debate

uh the facts just aren't coming to my

head right now i have nothing to say

um i i guess i g okay so i'm gonna i'm

gonna i guess we'll try to engage with

this you think that i'm not painting a

big picture

arc of what's really happening

but i'm instead too invested in the

facts correct you're invested in these

facts you're invested in telling people

what's happening where it's happening

but so what happens what happens when

we're dealing with a bunch of liberals

and leftists and rightoids that are like

they're they're regurgitating these

state department talking points say

about syria or they're believing this

bullshit about like an investigation

into what actually happened on january 6

but they're missing all of the key

details that actually allow us to paint

the broader picture of what's going on

because

obviously right if you know my if you

know my political world view you know

that i think that the fbi in the

intelligence community

is working directly against donald trump

but you have to back that up with

substantive points and that's something

that you honestly despite how funny you

are in your content and stuff you

haven't been able to do once in any of

the conversations we've put forward so

pesto what he's saying is it seems like

you mostly rely on like big narratives

but you don't go into the nitty-gritty

of like the details and the details

matter so what do you have to say to

them what jackson just said right here i

do go into the details you listen back

you'll see that i went into the details

on some things when i was the person to

talk before jackson whenever jackson

talks first jackson gets all the details

out of the day out of the way and he

just stops and then if somebody

challenges him he goes back to those

details and he says no these details are

right no those details are wrong why are

those details right this is the other

ones because like some source said so oh

they're they're right because the higher

truth reinforces them when jackson goes

saying oh you take all these right

things you take all these things that

you know are right somehow you know all

these things are right true disagrees

with me you have a multiplicity of

factions actors and you build them

together to make a world view and to

make an idea of what the truth is truth

comes first do you have any disagreement

with jackson about anything in

particular yeah yes i do have a

disagreement i have a disagreement with

the way that he talks to these people

because when he talks to these people

none of them go home and and they think

about it none of well they are all home

because it's i'm just gonna use an

example right now because i i do think

it's important right when we're taught

the whole reason why i even got on

twitch in the first place because i was

just

i was just like doing stuff on youtube

the whole reason why i got on twitch was

because i wanted to debate people and i

thought that debating would be an

effective way of actually winning people

over to my ideology so the first debate

that i ever did was against uh i don't

know if you know him he's a streamer

named vash and we were talking about

syria right and everyone knew my

interpretation of what happened

surrounding this debate about a chemical

attack in syria and everyone knew what

vosh's opinion was gonna be right but

when push came to shove and we were

talking about the facts of the matter

that's all that really you know stood to

push down vash's flimsy arguments that

he was bringing forward his flimsy

narrative that was bringing forward and

the higher powers did not agree with my

facts but my facts were so strong that

they completely you know

like pushed down every strong man he put

forward so i i just i disagree with you

that like facts aren't important or

facts can't speak to people because the

overwhelming majority of people who saw

that debate all agree i won i i saw bits

of that debate i agree that you won i

think you misunderstood what i meant by

higher power i don't mean the president

i don't mean uh

mueller or the cia or something or even

the queen i don't mean that those are

those are very low powers when i talk

about the higher power i talk about what

is it that makes things true and that

you know that's god right no so so on i

have a question for this is kind of what

the debate's about

is it always correct to like knock on an

open door and condemn people for maybe

not doing things like isn't isn't it

that you you know i'm having a dialogue

right but it seems like you're going

you're going after jackson just because

he's he's not talking about like

philosophy and stuff

but is isn't that isn't it always that

we can

have different context of like sometimes

the facts matter and that you could talk

about philosophy later like do you have

to always talk about it all at once i i

think i think it does matter because

otherwise people are just going to hear

these facts they're going to look into

it they're not really going to know the

difference between

one source of a number and another

source of the number in in a different

newspaper one says it was this many one

says it was this many right but

whichever one you okay okay so the the

the specific example that you are

getting really frustrated over right

talking that were true to him

let him talk that meant valish's whole

project the whole vision that he alright

i gotta meet you i gotta meet you i

gotta meet you gotta let them talk let

them talk so so with any of the debates

that i engage in be it like vag syria

whatever be it the january six stuff

that seemed to have triggered you um i

always begin by explaining like my my

overarching premise you know in the

debate with vosh i said

i believe uh you know there was a

cover-up we don't really know what

happened is potentially not a chemical

attack whatever in the january sixth

thing i made it abundantly clear that i

said you know it was a it was a fbi or

intelligence community orchestrated

event and uh obviously this is a part of

like the broader campaign to uh try and

you know establish their dominance and

increase the power of the security state

and go against the people who are you

know trying to challenge that then i go

into the details that back that up and

my details nor my overarching opinion i

put forth at the start

differs really from what you said i

think i just focus more on the former

and you focus more on the latter i think

i think using both together though is

the only way that you can win people

over i mean even that um the wordy

person that was in here that was

disagreeing with me initially

surrounding january 6 and was saying

like oh my god i i no no no the fbi is

going to investigate this stuff when i

presented the facts and evidence about

the unindicted conspirators all that

stuff you then heard wordy backtrack

what they were saying and start to agree

with me so i think i think

your form of argumentation albeit funny

and good content i think it's actually

insufficient in convincing average

people to your side i want to ask you

this is rhetorical so don't answer it

right away because there's more context

to it how do you know that you know

something do you think that people come

into politics people like wordy or

anyone maybe even all the viewers

probably that people come in and decide

to be political people because they to

they want to be right and factual or do

they come in because they they have a

feeling that they need to change society

somehow because as human beings the

creative spark that's in them is is

being but but pesto doesn't you

is

trying to get out and they need to fix

that somehow

what i think it's a good question what i

think is that uh

there are a lot of people

who engage heavily in politics i'd

assume like yourself yourself and and uh

in the way that i do as well who do want

to change the world but i think the

masses who just casually listen to

people like me which i don't know i

don't know your work but i i would think

that my work is like my the content i

produce is like very palatable for the

average individual in this country you

know like i have a bunch of kids i go to

high school with who listen to my show

who like don't really follow politics

and disagree with my politics but then

they'll occasionally listen in and be

like yo like you i actually disagree or

i actually agreed with what you said but

i think it's in part because i do

structure my arguments in a way that

fuses both of those things together um i

don't know i i obviously it's not going

to resonate with everyone just as your

form of argumentation isn't going to

resonate with everyone but i care about

winning over the masses and i care about

uh you know changing the hearts and

minds of the people at least of this

country

so so the difference is i think the

difference is because i do like you more

than probably any other communist

besides for a few asides from like

people who i can list because you're a

positive person and you you have a good

outlet outlook on your own life

and you want to go and engage with

society and

be healthy and have these hobbies but

the difference is that all these people

talking about how they want to win over

people they want optics to appeal to

people and strategy to appeal to people

it's not really what people go into

politics to just just uh reinforce to

just hear something that's right here's

something that that goes to them like on

a very surface level you can look it up

it's right or you go over and you see

someone and they look like someone that

you knew in high school and they're

being normal and you like them that's

true

that's the good confident way of talking

that's though don't don't a lot of

people though really do believe the myth

that the media is very factual still and

isn't jax doing important work showing

that's not the case

like like pesto do you think you take

for granted too much that the media is

like not factual and they tell lies

don't you have to prove it continually

over and over again so people could see

i the i think people are born knowing

that the media is lying to them and i

think that just through forcing

themselves to watch media they start to

believe it both people know that the

media is lying to them

it's blatantly obvious that the people

who go who are on the media and looking

at you and saying stuff maybe i don't

know

are you saying what julian assange did

didn't matter then no i'm not saying

what julian assange wasn't important

that he showed like all this all this

stuff they were lying about and covering

up didn't it make an impact on a lot of

people when they found out bush lied

about wmds like people don't

automatically know this you know and

peso like what i want to put in pre i

don't i i don't think um i don't know

how much you know my content and stuff

like that but what i do want to say is

like what i do is like um i don't know i

i feel like what i do is hopefully and i

and i do believe that uh aesthetic is

important or what did you say you said

you think like style or aesthetic or

something's not important no that's not

what i said what what was the exact word

you said you didn't say something

what's that i didn't know what i said

was all these all these things you can

go and do them and they make a better

package

you said something like you didn't say

aesthetic you said something like that

though it wasn't style or you said what

i said was i used the word optics i said

people they try and say oh we should

wave the american flag because it has

topics not because it has history so

i think that optics are extremely

important um not as important as the

facts sorry one second

well they're both secretary to the truth

wait wait let me let me finish my point

here i think i think this is something

maybe you'll agree with um i think

optics are very important actually not

as important as facts um i think the

overall narrative is obviously important

but if you can't back it up with the

facts then it's somewhat uh you know

less meaningful

but you need to fuse all of these things

together and in the same way that uh

like wikileaks was trying to get out

this uh information to the mass media in

the way that they did about any number

of issues right war crimes corruption in

government etc um what has does or what

i do uh i think we see it almost as like

and oz focus a lot more on on like

theory-based things but at least when i

report i report on the news and do

multiple stories every time i go live

i'm trying to bring the news in a

factual manner and debunking whatever

the propaganda is is you know being

pushed at the moment in a palatable way

through optics you know by by appealing

to

specifically like young people uh of my

generation and showing them that uh you

know the media cnn progressive media

whatever it's all bullshit and they need

to look a little bit harder about the at

the facts of whatever story they're

looking at all right and what so and

then if people they go and they see the

media's bullshit they listen to

jackson's version of events instead and

then what and it's over dude don't give

them you're not giving them an idea of

what the future is going to look like an

idea of what them as as people are

supposed to be doing and what they can

look forward to doing you don't give but

okay

yeah how do i how do how do okay first

of all i don't think you can i don't

think one person should be tasked with

with someone like myself or my community

who actually engages in trying to bring

about real world solutions to these

issues either through like direct action

or holding different forums or holding

panel talks or things like that um

i don't really know more what you could

want i mean being an armchair uterus

only does so much you have to actually

if you're talking about actually getting

out and changing the world i feel like

uh you know debunking mainstream media

myths is a good way of doing it but i

also feel like and this isn't for

everyone but getting out and actually

doing organizing there's another way you

can do it so pesto what would you say to

the idea that just because jackson

doesn't have this like all-encompassing

vision

doesn't mean he can be incriminated what

if what if what if it's just like

knocking on an open door and he's open

to all these uh ideas like what if what

if what if you're basically making

assumptions that he's he's just

ambiguous you know i'm i'm treating

jackson the same way that i treat julian

assange i guess he's he's going out he's

telling people

what isn't true he's not telling them

what the higher truth is that people

need to understand in order to actually

change their way of thinking and

contribute to it instead of just knowing

something about the struggle right but

contributing to it by understanding

these things the reason why china right

now is the center of

this future that's being built hey

shut the fuck up

my fucking nose is bleeding dude we got

to wrap this up so we're going to wrap

it up now and the world land bridge is

going to shut the fuck off

everything

last comments pesto

i uh

you seem like a nice dude and i and i

hear what you're saying um i think you

should maybe look at my if you're truly

concerned which i don't know if you are

about my content maybe look at it a bit

more and see what i actually do

but uh

you've kind of just you've i i agree

with you but you've also kind of equally

said nothing the entire time we've been

fucking we are gonna vote two minutes of

voting god damn it we're gonna do two

minutes of voting guys

mods i want you to i'm gonna spam it

once because i could only do it once mod

spam this link keeps spamming it two

minutes of voting in chat

for the love of fucking god

if you want this show to be taken

seriously

vote based on who you think did the best

not who made you laugh the most you

fucking dumb ass chat all right i'll be

right back

vote on who was most truthful

vote on who is most truthful don't

listen to him he can't control you he's

not there with you

all right it's been two minutes

and i'll refresh

oh my god what a dumbass shot 161

for pesto and 156

for jackson uh the you you guys it's you

think it's cute and it okay whatever i

don't i don't fuck it up

go to sheila institute website go to the

roost organization website all right

well well i guess pesto that's right i'm

sorry they voted they voted for their

conscience not for what you uh

shut up shut up okay jackson i'm so

sorry for this

chat

it's uh it's

it's tragic to be defeated that's my

first loss

it's my only loss i'll ever have but uh

so i i i voted for you i hope you know

that i voted for you

you put up a good fight and uh you are

now the proud owner of the new infrared

showdown belt

how does that make you feel

i i think i think next time we're going

to do a turn of it

because you you had it you watched the

championship last time he wanted now we

need like a tie breaker you know

so next time we're going to do like a

tournament maybe two

like 2v2s that one 1v1 at the end

i have to go knitting uh next week at

seven

oh so you're not gonna be available

knitting

yeah we'll we'll see

we'll see the belt might be taken also

well i already have one

all right don't don't bring any props

all right uh

jackson

how long are you gonna keep streaming

i'm going to keep streaming you are

yeah i'm gonna i'm going to stay alive

for a little bit longer

sounds good

i want to talk about but if you're still

live i'll read you what i'm doing okay

okay i'll catch you guys later better

put the links to my websites uh in the

chat like everyone else pesto we're not

done yet okay

okay all right

don't want to miss me you're great i

personally think you you should have won

but

you know i i don't get to decide i'm

just the moderator

but

hey it's uh it's audience decision pest

show had the better uh audience opinion

so i'll catch you guys later pesos good

talking

all right bye-bye jackson the same i

hope we talk again love you both

all right pesto you motherfucker has

anyone ever told you you look like

robert pattison

no

people tell me

people come up to me and they start

speaking other languages to me because

they think i look like a russian or an

irish person

all right

wow

i got a nosebleed so bear with me i

earned it

there you go it's your belt

hey

happy okay hey i might be coming to

detroit maybe in the next uh next month

so i can go pick it up then

okay i don't know if that's gonna happen

i'm gonna collab stream i really don't

know if that's gonna win stacy

but that's the one thing

so

what

so you want

yeah you're currently the infrared

showdown

champion

yeah

and and

so how do you feel

um

i don't i don't feel i don't feel

vindicated by this because i was already

vindicated

by a higher by a higher sense of of

reality and truth that i that i learned

and vindicated me because i read it on

the larouche websites and i went to the

larouche zoom calls and i went to the in

person

events

okay and and through that i was

vindicated and then later i just go and

i vindicate other people i'm not the one

who got proven right you guys all got

proven right for believing what i told

you okay and so

uh

you don't really look too happy about

winning obviously i i already celebrated

my uh win before i came on the show uh

all right and

so i i'm assuming rtsg is behind this

victory rtsg is on top rtsg is kind of

behind like everything when it comes to

you has i see i see and so okay and you

know what i might actually bring you i

might actually like have destiny debate

you or something i might bring you on

circle i'll see what circle thinks maybe

you got some potential that's still

maybe you got some potential but you

need you know you when i told you to

bring more right wingers that you you

brought a fucking anarcho lib it's like

he said he was libertarian i don't i

don't i just assumed that meant right oh

my god okay

i asked are you a libertarian he said

yeah yeah still though you know uh okay

okay you know that's thought wait maybe

you maybe

all right listen how old are you 22. all

right listen kid you may be going places

kid you may be going places okay we'll

see we'll see you you maybe got a future

ahead

get keep keep debating people on twitch

debate

this because i want to debate my debate

you gotta debate destiny debate vouchers

dylan burns uh sure i'll i'll debate

everyone because i know i'm right okay

all right well pesto unfortunately you

are the winner uh you're not streaming

now so i can't host you so what what do

you want you want the hero of infrared

roll or something uh

yeah you have to give me the moderator

and hero of it no you're not getting

bought okay stop a runner no you're not

getting show runner either you can get

the hero of it for ed roll okay all

right and maybe vip a chat i don't know

all right yo yo you'll get the hero's

burrow okay okay but you have to you

have to make the bot spam the links to

all three of the websites i don't know

how to fucking do that dude i don't know

how i finally have one hand that's right

you know how technology works do it i

don't know how to do it i don't i don't

stream on twitch dude you're so fucking

annoying i swear to god it's i won i'm i

don't even know if it's a lot on twitch

okay fine yeah dee just just spam it

dude that's what he wants spanish we

even have the links it's sheila

institute larouche organization no you

only get one website you don't get

fucking five websites only one okay

larouche pub then actually no no sheila

institute uh okay fine shiller is

somewhat spam the schiller institute

even though it was biased against you

the chat decided to go against me and

vote with you that that's great and

people say i run a cult

some cult this is no it's the opposite

he's driving around you're trying to

wake people up but it's not all the way

there yet all right good and then keep

spamming that late guys that's missing

some everything's making sense except

for some few little things that don't

click yet and then i come on and i make

it click okay

and they're all my fans now at least for

today because i won so i'm in charge of

the stream for the day now you're now

you're not in okay i have the belt you

don't you're okay you're yeah you're not

in charge of the stream for the day okay

i don't know where you're getting that

from

but well technically rtsg has been in

charge of your stream for like

seven months at this point

okay sure

any last words

rtsg is on top everyone has to tweet

hashtag exonerate larouche

okay well you heard it from him guys you

say you have to do it because you want

and

i don't know i don't know i can't

enforce it but

that's what he's saying

all right

all right bye festival