UKR-RUSSIA TRUTH (EXPOSING DISINFO) / NICK FUENTES vs. DESTINY (DESTINY LOSES BAD) [2022-03-20]

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we got a lot of shit on our iinerary we got news to go wing to finish that destiny point there's debate let me tell you guys something

got a lot of shit to talk about a lot of shit

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but uh yeah we're gona cover a lot of shit

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so guys before we get into the ukraine stuff i want to get into a

i have the fucking ircubs

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walk my wife i have hcops i hate this so much

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so this person has like a slur in their bile

so i'm going to like put this here

guys

i actually wanted to quickly toalk touch on this because

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wuck my life

all these scumbags all these beta mal orbiters and

destiny and all these fucking little beitches right they're always talking about demon mommy demon mama thes demon i said so earlier today i said

i want to look up

the demon mamma whatever that is

i want to see what all the hubbub is about

and what all these debates that's going on is

what is going on right

few things i want to talk about right

going to be really quick as want to really touch on this quickly right

so

this is basically like leftist bullshit right i used to be one of i used to

but i came from this so i understand this stuff it's like leftist bullshit

we we needed

reject bureaucracy and only freedom through self

freedom

whatever the fuck they say right

and then this person's like

how would you manage large supply chains and do the destiny voice how would you manage large supply chains bureaucracy

why would i want to manage large supply chainss like an anarchist versus a liberal right

and then they're like

it

we need to do it because these whatever

she's like that sounds boring and exploitedsative

and then he goes how would you produce medicine

and then the demon mamma came and they said

make a few friends with a chemistrys degree

buy some lab equipment from one of the thousands of lab equipment suppliers

learn chemistry and pick up a medicine book from a local library

talk to rule doctors

and healers who are already doing that aure of necessity

you want to know would i okay call on give me a second

ah

and it got nine hundred quote tweets but believe it or not

di g g really went after her for saying this shit

and i actually started to realize what this whole debate is about between these like

csyco ultra leftis

and the d g g lives right so i'm going to actually

blinds i do im to do something right

so when these people do this shit

they're not serious ok they're not actually fucking serious they're not they don't pose a threat to any fucking system they're just

they just don't want to shill

or

let me put it this way right

they don't want to like

shill for the system

that makes sense right

hey let me put it this way

right

let's say you're in a prison

and

someone you're already a prisoner you just living in the prison

why be a cop for free you don't got a shill for yeat maybe the prison system is necessary to keep

order and law and order and shit but you're not just going to be a prisoner who's like okay if i was in the warden's shoes this is what i would do you're not in the fuck and warden's shoes so why show for them right

and that's what the leftist mentality here comes from it's like

you know

it's not that these people are literally that crazy where they're actually going to do this

they're not going to fucking do this they're not going to do chaz you know

they're not going to ever even attempt that what they're going to fucking do is

say they just wan to resist

being a liberal sill

right

sorry not a liberal sholl they just want to resist

having to take responsibility from scratch

the status quo

okay

now bere with me here right

because i'm going to talk about this bear with me

it's only going to be a second and then we're going to on

the real problem with all this shit

comes from destiny

itself

not just destiny but

liberalism itself because what these people are basically saying

is that if you canlnot justify something from scratch actually you know what i'm going to tell you gy something

between destiny and the demon mama the demon mama is correct

why

because both of them

are looking at reality

as something you justify from scratch

right

why should we justify all this bureaucratic whatever

from scratches individuals you can't

obviously you can

they're right

f if we are just having a world from scratch

where we could just like

beside its necessity as individuals

right from the cartesian cago or whatever

yeah they're right you don't need any of this

shit or whatever right you could just fuck in

do whatever

destinyes even more fucking stupid because

destiny looks at the world and he goes

the world is the way it is because i've justified it as such

what if you were this this dear persong

and you didn't justify it at all it would still exist it would still reproduce itself

and it would still function

without any kind of individual justification whatsoever

so itoks like they're two sides of the same coin

one wants to resist having to justify the world

the other pretends that the world exists

because it's contingent on individual justification

okay

yet neither accepts the fact

that a piece of this

comes completely at the expense of individual rational justification

you can be this dear person who just says

yeah fuck the whole capitalist system fuck all the supply chains fuck the bureaucracy and it won't make a fucking difference because those things don't depend on people like you and your ideology and your vision of what the world should be

they don't exist because of that

right

my question is very simple right

everyone is attacking the demon mama right

but why

what

i mean i'm telling you like i just ignore them right what difference does it make well the libs on which are basically like

hop my god

just shut up people need health care right now vote for biden

right i feel like

i don't want to say critical support

but this is a person who

brings chaos to the liberals

so i have to say

they bring chaos to the liberals

and i would never be friends with them

ever

or interact with him in any positive way but

i like how i like the chaos you know what i'm saying i like the chaos

i like how

they just bring this

madness of liberalism to its conclusion i minix

accelerationist

bring the madness to its conclusion take everything to its logical limit

and i feel like

that's what this person does

with destiny's own ideology

right

it would bring chaos to you if you could

and the puy fuking gouldn't

we don't even allow leftists in our fucking a community we ban them we don't even tolerate any leftism

in our fuckin community they can't come near us

they have to deal with this you ever notice how destiny spends this time arguing with this person that and he actually like his mat he h demon mamma is so bad faith and so ingenuine sa who bad faith what do you mean

you' tak you took them seriously to begin with

you're stuck arguing with people like this

you actually have to sit here and justify yourself

to people like this

it's what you've got to deal with

oh sai it

could not get any funnier

it could not get any funnier ok

like djj likes to make fun of this person or whatever but wait a second

that's yours this is your bucking character

you actually have to argue with these people

you know

we need to stop demon mama

she's

s she's taking votes away from biten

the truth is

destiny and his community and their ideology

as just as much of a net

zero impact on anything in the world

den the's psycho left us

they have a net zero impact

you could literally have an ideology of wanting to eat shit

and give everyone shit to eat

and it would have the same net

zero impact on anything

destiny tried to participate in the political process before

and he endorsed this mayre and he tried the canvas the mayor distanced himself from him

democrats will never accept someone like destin didn't eve want him or his community or their canvassing

they have nothing this whole political twitch is what i'm trying to say all of political twitch is just a fucking circle jerk of people but now we have to do this miss is morley right now demon mommy you're taking it too far

demon mama no we can't people need medicine

and they think they have so much power you're nothing you're nothing you're nothing you're literally nothing

nothing you believe matters nothing you say matters you have a net

zero impact on anything in the world

whatsoever

right

it does there's no urgency to it you could say whatever dumb shit you want right

ah

the the dumb mass in this interaction is this person

this is the dumb as here

how does specialization work

how would you produce medicine

if we got to the point

where these people got their way and like i guess everything would have would be torn down

that would be kind of based you know the fact that you're even entertaining that possibility

is focking hilarious

the fact that you're even entertaining the possibility makes you the dumbest

you're stupid for even entertaining this possibility yet

this person

is going to completely destroy

all of the large supply chains and wipe them out and everything's going to begin anew from scratch right

no

that that will never happen that will literally never happen

and trust me if it could happen

i would press that button

let all things be reborn and new

let all things be reborn

and new

right

nobody's crazier than me k

um

k let me ask you if i had a button and his button said

the entire system gets completely destroyed

and we start from scratch

i would press that button in a heartbeat

but guess what

that's not how reality works that's not how it works

it's just not

it's just not i'm not going to fucking carry water for the system in any capacity i'm not going to carry water for literally any aspect

of the current status quo

you will not see me carry water for any of it any of it has but if this is what people always do to fight me hans

if you were in bit in shoes what would you do fuck up i would never be in that bite in shoes ok

in the first place i would not be in biting shoes

you know if i'm in bit in shoes we're looking at a very different world right

we're looking at a different context and situation in the first place right

but uh yeah i just wanted to kind of talk about this for only a quick second because

it's kind of interesting i do pay attention a lot to the interactions between the liberals in the far right

but i've started to really ignore leftists i haven't been paying any attention to them

but all the political twitch they're always talking about

demon momm demon mom they're awas talking about this this and that

and it's like

wait a second

you're stuck with this person

it's a logical conclusion of your own ideology

right

when you're someone who believes you can

um

premise the world

based on morality

or based on rationality or based on

individual argumentation

this is the fuck and conclusion you come to

you can't have even a little tiny bit

of reality

you just have this right

so that's all i wanted to do guys that's all i wanted to say about that

right so speaking of president joe biden

um

there is something i wanted to show you

because biden if is i don't know if you guys know this but biden's a really tough guy

he's a really tough tough guy

and

uh

so

i want to service to you

do some new sound in from joe

check this out from joe pardon

so a confronting sos to

a voter at a town hall in iowa

when the voter brought up ukraine and his age have a listen

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he had no experience with gas or nothing

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god look in his eyes

butk in pace

this is like what i look when i'm fucking looking at d g g the comments

so i know he's mad

in order to

get access

to for the president so

your

you're selling access to the president just like

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see it on the no i know you do and by the way that's why i'm not sedentar

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no this is old fok i thought this was new

because i just saw it

hawk it's from twenty nineteen

right he literally told him i know you do like

he literally called him fat he's like i saw it on t but it'

i know you did

and by the way i'm not sedentary like you like you sit on the couch all day because you're a fat fuck

this is what he saiy

i get up and i have never seen this i thought this was new this is the first time i've seen this

i it's not as

it's not as funny that it's not new i literally thought this was like breaking news

i thought this just happened i didn't know this was ald

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i didn't know he was this savage i really didn't

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ok i'm not going to get marg with i don't want to either but i

but look fat look here's a deal

what the fa

when did this fucking happen

m

oh my god when did this happen

this is our president this is funnier than trump

he said look fat holy fug was this staged

were they trying to get like a trump effect

where people like him because he's based

here's looks like you don't have any more backbone than trump dust

he called them fat it was a personal attack come on

any other questions

is there all senior citizens

all right

i think this was staged i'm going to be honest i think it was staged

im not

w do man you think i thought you stand up and vote for me youre too old to vote for me

oh this is like when destiny calls me short it's like biden you're literally older than him

you're literally ninety years old

was how was that fucking old

you look stupid dude

jackie

and glory border it's a legitimate question is it not

yes he can give us answer but legitimate to attack questioner in those circumstances

i so oh who's this

that was classic joe biden in a lot of ways i felt like it was a little bit of like joe biden madlives like challenge

ing him to push ups and q test and whatnot you know he's going to he is going to have to have an answer

to the question about his son about you know why he and i know i know the campaigns put out stuff i know they've tried to explain it but you can't get mad at every voter

who asked that because they most democrats who is this

who's dennis

dennis

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her name's borga

what

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he's with someone else also this time sos the lenskis in kiev live from kiev giving updates on what's going on

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oh yeah ok so this is also something

so

destiny's communities getting really desperate so this is jus something i i address really really quick

quick

um

you guys remember that like two hour debate i had with that random fucking guy

well

they made this a this got to like the top page of destiny's read it

and it went viral

look at that it went super viral so let's see

i struggle let's see this is really incriminating let's see

holy shit

this is really really bad guys

this went viral

and the russians invade and it's forty nine seconds oh boy this is probably the highlight of it

by what justifications can russell the question answer it by what justification can theh you're a tough guy aren't you you're going to interrupt me answer it

excuse me

by what justification can russia

invade south estsia i want to know

you just told me that they are not ethnic russians so what the justification

a

so

yeah i'm clearly just stumped here right

the justification is totally not distracted by anything

specifically

is the fucking fact

that

do we have more fillers to provide me

no the justifications very fucking simple

what's the justification

i love how fucking angry you are can you chill for a second

in kin the russians all right so that's someing ok so

this is likemalh my god i mean this god falking viral they're like theyre this is their new flag they're waving this ands i literally had people

py

paragraphs

i think someone sent me an essay in my d ms like

explaining why this like proves

like i don't know like the they're really in depth with this one like

really really in depth like this is a really big deal like this proves every

this is all you need to know about has

this proves everything when it comes to my debating and everything like that i did this isus how i debate i don't know anything i'm just

start of the oh my god this completely defines who harz is right

so i'm going to explain to you what's going on

these people are just looking for the smallest smallest optics

to validate their

otherwise unsubstantiated world's view about me

like

that was like a six hour stream and all it took was forty nine seconds

for them to get excited it's completely defined everything just forty nine seconds of a six hour stream

game

yeah imagine a forty nine second silence after destiny says ok and then that gives gochs viral

the thing is these don't go viral organically they go viral because he's a big streamer and he just shares them right

but it's a way to optics engineers so if you're a dumb fuck normy and you don't know any you're not invested in this whatsoever

and you just see this you probably are going to be like oh

you know he this must be because haws just spontaneously

was stumped and had to stall the question you know you wouldn't even fucking on

you wouldn't even give it any thought like you literally have to be a crazy schizophrenia person

to know how much these people manipulate optics

so fucking desperately

just so they can sustain their otherwise completely unsubstantiated world view

right

so

yeah it's pretty fucking crazy right

but on

i'm still shocked like why this i've always i do this all the fucking time

you guys ever know what i've i do that yeah i didn't even first of all i didn't understand it either

at first because i was like

first he said

this is an example of ethno nationalist imperialism the i was like ok well they're not ethnic russians andn he goes so what was the justification

and then i was like oky

it's such a weird question we mean what is the justification

we have to explore the context of what even fucking happened because clearly you don't you don't even know that they weren't ethnic russians

so it's like i have to even just explain to you the basic fact

that the oset thean conflict dated from the collapse of the soviet union like i said

and that it flared up in two thousand and seven two thousand and eight

and that russian troops were actually already there as peacekeepers

a and that

the one of the terms of the withdrawal of the russian military baseic all this type of things right

but it is just a weird look how do you justify it

i don't know it is kind you know

thinking actually when i actually think about that question more

you know it is kind of tricky from the perspective of international law right

i think russia

said that

the act of aggression by georgia is what justifies it under international law but

even china did not agree with russia's

handling of the thing in osetia but what i always say when it comes to osetia abkhazia and transnistria

is that the this is my position i think this is the businsion of the russian government to the collapse of the soviet union was not

completed that wasn't like this is what i kept saying throughout the debate too it wasn't some neat thing

there's still a lot of unresolved

conflicts there are not set in stone and it just they haven't been resolved right

that's just my position it just has not

the collapse of the soviet union was not resolved right it is still an ongoing conflict

troue

throughout

but im

it's so crazy how i have to be so optics conscious in a way that i never did before so like

ok next time i have a debate

with some random call in and i'm like reading d m s or i'm texting on my phone

like i don't know if you guys can tell here

but there i was on my phone fucking texting right

because i don't know if you guys know where i keep my phone or whatever but

you know when you actually

right this is just how it works so

yeah i don't know like

if i'm ever like in it in the middle of a thought and i've ever in a fucking debate

and

i'm do i'm uh debating someone and like

i'm kind of like

not really all there or whatever i'm just dozing off or whatever i do it all the fucking time

is that suddenly going to be spinned as like some significant huge event that i have to fucking give attention to

you know

so you get bored in these debates i genuinely get bored right

but it's like it's crazy because you know after you know see this is forty nine seconds

this was right after the shoty e seconds like this was right after look at the how funcking angry you are can you chill for a second

i'm pretty chill

ok

so this was forty nine seconds so the southoset theans were fighting georgia at the time already

and they were allied to russia

ok

and this is basically like the key thing

they invited the russians in to come help them

on your rone on russia's own border

you're telling me that that was a craz people are like ohas you just red chat

because yes someone here did say south said he invite russia and i probably did read that

to be completely honest with you but

sometimes just

condenses shit

and says shit that's already on my mind but it's like

they condense it they simplify it right so i don't have to like think any longer they're like ook i'll just say it like this

let me put it like this like

whever

whenever i want to say something and then chat says what i want to say

i'll just repeat what chad says

because i'm like yeah that's

that's what they say

you know i mean

but that's not the same as getting information from chat

but the whole that wasn't even the fucking point because when i pointed this out they're like

h has you just read the chat

okay even if even if i only knew this was because of the chat

that's not the point how would i also have known that the conflict

predated that

right

it's not you can just invite russia in to start a war the war proceeded that this war started in

like what nine hunre ninety nine hundred eighty nine or whatever

i need to i forget when

that's when it fucking started right

or that's i should say that's when the conflict started not the not this we in particular

but m

that's no that'stin he doesn't only read chat he literally gets everything from chat he gets like literally every fucking thing from chat

what

what i

what i'm curious to know is like

i still don't understand why this is a big fucking deal i literally don't get it

this is literally forty nine seconds out of a two hour debate

like

holy fucking shit

like

if you know what you know they're making it seem like they're make it seem like this was the whole debate in the debate just ended in the forty nine seconds here

and that was it

and that sums up every now that's all you got to know from haz

it's literal psychosis these people are living in a fucking psychotic

hopium fantasy line

like

they're literally living in this fantasy land where they just confirm all of their preconceived

ah prejudices about me

threw these little bits

and like oh yeah i was right about has

he clearly doesn't know anything just look at his forty nine second clip

but that's how they do everything with when it comes to anything right that's how they spend spread fake news about literally everything

look at the fucking ukraine conflict

i mean it's on real levels of fake news

yeah

but a

ah forur

it's a big deal because it's all they have against your intellects

yeah it's interesting because

this just proves me like they are looking literally for anything to desperately cling to

it discredits my intellect

because they have nothing

you got stomped

the only thing saving was that i'm not allowed to say the r word

that's literally it

that's the only thing saving you

he wasn't even a destiny fan i don't think so he didn't present himself that way

yeah yeah exactly he pots for five seconds int of the usual two point three this must be the end it's the clo e copio you're overdosing

re literally this is like hitler in a bunker moment overdosing on copium

like what the fuck what where dore we getting to at this point

like at what are we getting to

it's literally overdosed on copium what

oh my god it is' it is in the hyper analyzing ok guys this is how we can still win this is how bernie can still win

this is why has was completely

thrown off and destroyed in this debate because as you can see has was pausing ok we do in depth analysis d g g analysis time has he was asked this question and then and can the russians invade

by what justifications can russell in the question answer it by what justification can the oh you're a tough guy

oh you tan haaz di dis that was stalling he was stalling so first got stalling right aren't you you're going to interrupt me answer it

excuse me

by what justification can russia

indade south estsia i want to know

you just told me that they are not ethnic russians so what's the justification

the problem isn't the distraction it was the filor you use and that's what doesn't look neat

why do you even care like it's literally i don't even know why this is a big deal

holy focking i'm literally speechless

a youre literally typed me a paragraph about why this was a problem and

who cares

why do you even care what do you mean the filler i use

oh

god well these people are on my dick

i can literally just be doing nothing

were i can't even fucking dick around in my own stream anymore and just do what i want

without people ascribing meaning to it

i just want to know if normal people think this way too like

i always put myself in the shoes of like a random fuck normy and they're like do they think this way as well

if i'm just

i do i fucking do this all the time when i'm distracted

guys let me tell you like when you're distracted in your texting

so let's say you're with your friend and your friends like

your has

what do you think of we should do tonight and i'm like

uh

what do we are

what should we

so like the reason i keep doing that filler shit

it's so part of my brain

is

remembering it but i'm literally thinking of

i'm literally doing something entirely different you know

i hate

having to explain

like basic human shit that are you even fucking human

are you even fucking human

right

like are they even are you even fuck do is this even real life anymore what is this

what am i even saying why do i even have to say this

hoully shit

nobody does that nobody's like texting and they're talking to someone and they're like

yeah

we should order a

we'll order and like you're saying that shit but you're not even thinking about it

like you don't do that are you a fucking lizard like

i don't know i don't know

the you know what remember it guys remember the first thing i said

making me explain myself

making me explain myself

is the worst thing

is the thing that will make me never i can't even say because it's to west

making me explain myself what i hope happens to you if you make me explain myself i'm not even allowed to say

because it would be t o s

but i am hoping it happens to you

and yes i'm that far it's that fuck and bad

right

i actually

wish ill upon you if you make me explain myself

based on like my spontaneous human self

right if you make me explain like basic

aspects of

just me living literally that

you know how fucking andnoing that is

i could be walking around on the sidewalk

and then people start to be like oh he's walking with his right foot slightly up over his left foot and this specific angle and that means he is

that definitely means that has

that definitely means that haz is scared

of debating

sam sedar

and then i have to start being conscious about how i fuck and walk

so so normys so they can't spin these narratives to normys

i refuse to fuck and live this way man

the whole thing is about how they spin op to go uss why are you so insecure it's not that i'm fucking insecure you dumb stupid fuck it's that i used to be in the shoes of these random normies

most normis are not even one per cent invested in this ship right first impressions are everything

so when you spin optics about me

and you you like you just create this narrative most normis are going to like dig in and be like oh is this honest is this right is this wrong

they're basically going to be like oh shit this is is what it is that's just how light they're going to think it's like spontaneous

natural reality and that's just how it is

so i don't mind if i look insecure by banging pots and pans because it gives me an opportunity to just to defend myself like

yeah

if normies see that i'm making a huge promotion over this

ah and they're like wow this guy must be really insecure he's making a really big commotion

over this optics

narrative spinning bullshit

that's fine i don't care if they think i'm insecure i'll at least have the opportunity to defend myself right

i'll have the ability to be like o k here's my side to the fuckin story right

that's what matters to me the most

that's why people call me insecure

it's not it's not that i personally care

it's that i care about my image

because i'm a fucking brand

i'm a fucking streamer of course i have to care about my fuckings

of course i have to care about the barrier entry to being taken seriously right

if if if you just agree with whatever the optics buh manipulation these people make about me

you're never actually going to like take anything i say seriously

you know

nothing i say will ever have credibility if i'm ever in a debate

you're not even going to like

listen to to the merit to the merits of the points that i'm making you're just going to fucking tune everything out

and dismiss me based on whatever preconceived bullshit you fuckon gave me

you just have to ignore it they don't care about reality

a lot of people tell me has ignore it

you look insecure when youeed don't ignore this shit

but the reason i

i don't accept that is because and i'm open to being wrong but i'm still experimenting when it comes to like

i don't have a brand image or whatever on the internet

but this is why i think it's wrong right

the reason i just don't ignore it is because

i think it's worse for people to have

a wrong impression of me

then for people to

i think that i'm insecure for going out of my way to correct that impression

like for example

yes people will be like yeah you're so insecure whatever i don't care at least the'll know the truth

right

that's what'sust more important i want these people to have nothing

if the only thing you have on me is that i'm insecure all that proves is that i protected my optics

i've protected my my character from lies and smears right

have you seen them in person they're barely human i know do these are like fat ugly disgusting pedal focks i know trust me

i'm just trying to save that thumb

a lot of people don't understand why like i make a big deal out of optics related things

because optics are everything because you want to know why because i used to be

at a certain point your actions will speak for themselves that is not falking true that is literally not true

ok

that is never true

you your your optics are never organic they are always manipulated in some kind of way

that's just a fact

right

the community will

how people how you spin something

is literally all that matters

and people will people don't have the intelligence to understand

that it's even possible to manipulate their minds in this way

right

people don't understand how you can psychologically affect people's minds through first impressions

nobody actually thinks like okay let's say you're a random fuck

and you you see like i don't know you see the two holes thing or you see the height thing

hre you see this shit or whatever the fuck else right

and they just get this impression of you

no one will actually be accept the traumatic fact as a normal human being

that this was an entirely artificial impression created about you

nobody ca fuckon do that

first impressions are literally all that matters

so if i can do just do damage control and just

paying pots and pans so people can see the truth

yes it's gonn to make me look insecure

whight

it's also going to open a fucking rabbit hole for people to start getting more paranoid

about their first impressions

and guys

you got a lot of people w were like cause you're so narcisistic youll be focused on your image

really

what

what else did i apply this same methodology to this literally whatever i just said about my optics about my brand

what else does that apply to

recently

like all of this experience i've acquired

dealing with how to deal with false first impressions

and how to get truth in there b as opposed to false

first impressions

nobody's got it

nobody's got it guys it's so fucking easy

it's the fucking

special operation in ukraine

it's that fucking it's literally the same thing

it is literally the same thing

it is exactly the same fucking thing

the same way that people's first impressions were optically engineered about the ukraine crisis

that's why i was so successful in being able to dispel those

because i had the experience

when it came to my own fucking brand image

i know how the the mainstream media lies

i know how this is an empire of lies across the board and in general

so anyone who's like cause you're too sensitive to optics you're a fucking dumb ass that is literally like a life or death difference

between accepting what the mainstream media is saying about reality and reality itself and guys i used to think like you even when it came to syria you guys wen i used to think when it came to syria i was like ok

i don't know the truth

i don't know who's lying and i don't know who's telling the truth

but

a

i don't know who's lying i don't know who's telling the truth

but all i can say is that

you know assuming it's true what conclusion should i jump to like assuming it's true that assad

was responsible for all of this assuming it's true that putin or china is responsible for all this

just operate under the assumption that the mainstream media is telling the truth

actually no that's a very very dangerous way to think

a lot of you guys think that too when it comes to the shit they say about me they're like ok

let's just assume they're right about cause don't fucking assume that

always have a critical eye open right becuse believe it or not guys

i want you guys to be a fucking elite task force of optics psychological warfare operatives

because our target audience is going to be the masses and you have to know how to fuck and maneuver the fake news media and the mainstream media

and all the optics bullshit in order to fucking make any headway towards them

is let me tell you the fucking truth

if we took over the communist party and we started to become a mass movement

you want to know what the media's going to start saying and doing to us guys

you want to know the hot like what level of fucking lying we're going to be dealing with

and all this smearing of character and defamation oh my god the cp s a twenty thirty six oh my god they're nazis oh my god they're fascists oh my god they beat up an old elderly defenceless woman

let me tell you how sick and disgusting these people are

you know what they would do let's say we got a movement going of the communist party twenty thirty six and we got that movement going right

you what the media would do the media would hire someone to go and stage the beating of an elderly woman on the side of fucking chicago

and they'll bela and they'll dress as us and they'll say that we did it

they would literally do that that's literally what they would do

i'm telling you there are no limits to the lies it's

fucking incredible

i trust me i used to be someone who used to think like oh

you can't really lie this profoundly yes you fucking can

you tell enough lies

people will start to believe there must be a grain of trup to it

if you tell enough lies about shit

people will be lok there's got to be a grt no the only grain of truth

is that people are out to get them

you know how much they fuckin lie about

anti american governments around the world or anti imperials governments you wont how much they lie about iran you wonter how much they lie about russia china and syria

fucking they lied about libya they lie so much they lied about zimbabwe they lie about soul so fucking much it's unbelievable

that if north korea is probably one of the best examples of it

people always a caus

did they have really lied this much about north korea don't you think it says a little bit about isn't north korea at least a little bit crazy that they're going to be able to tell all these lies and i'll be like no

the crazy thing

is how much they're out to get north korea that's what's falking actually crazy

right

yeah oplix i'm going to cover that i'm going to cover that

so i actually want to begin this u coverage

right now

with

check this out

zealenski has banned all opposition parties and has implemented a single information part policy requiring all news stations broadcast the same thing

you want to know how leftists are going to respond to this they're going to be like

this is the same thing as when we d platformed

all of those

bar right

people

this is the same thing we don't tolerate the intolerant

you know i

yeah all opposition parties have been banned

and there's a single information policy in ukraine

huh

come come again i mean isn't ukraine a democracy fighting a tyrant isn't that we're supposed to believe

u

i have the hiccups again

i'm so fuckin mad i'm so fuckin angry about it

eight

i

ukraine may be the first example in human history of a country that under the pressure of war

is becoming more tolerant and more liberal

what do you mean more tolerant and more liberal when

inan president zelenski signed a decree

to unite national t v channels into one platform citing martial law

it's important that the country has a unified information policy

also all opposition parties

i i have gone bann

so is this is this becoming more

lit tolerant and more liberal

is this what more tolerant and more liberal looks like

is that what that looks like

yeah apparently they're tying looters to naked to a post

this and women as well

they're like tying them naked to posts

and i heard some are freezing to death or something like that andy apparently it's looters

zlenski

justin trudeau was one of those leaders who inspired me to join politics

h

the comedy honestly speaks for itself

this is just literally a comedy that speaks for itself

justin trudeau was the leader that inspired me to join politics

really

really

what was it i mean was it just intrudeau's

um

was it his comedy

uh because i i'm pretty sure justin trueau has a really weird sense of humor i mean

he's got a strange sense of humor i think

he uh he's got he's got kind of a uh i don't know like you know on halloween justin trudeaux the way he dresses

is a little edgy for today's comedy

but

you know one clown recognizes another

they're both graduates of the young leader wf class

yeah

bas

geegye gy gorilla gang putin wak

o so zelenski has basically become like a fucking dictator

all opposition parts hears a thing

i doubt zelenski is acting in any presidential capacity i'm pretty sure what's going on is that the ukrainian military is ordering zelenski to do this and that he's pretending that he's the one issuing the decree

but it's actually like something that's

he was pressured to do by the fucking military which is actually in charge and is what actually controls a

ukraine i'm pretty sure that's what's going on

right

just a hunch

just an actual hunch you know just a hunch or two

oh three

or four or five or six or seven or eight

oh nine

or ten

what the fuck is this

you we are sending me shoeld

ah

we also have the stunning humanitarian grace of

the ukrainians side during this war

of the way in which they're describing and

talking about russians right

so here it is

headce the ukraine ambulance corps project dubbed medical angels and was recently featured on c n n with farid zakaria

says he ordered doctors to castrate wounded

russian p o ws because they're cockroaches remember when startus came on yesterday and talked about how russia was supposedly bombing ambulances or whatever

i mean i'm not

justifying

targeting ambulances at all

but i if there's any grain of truth to the idea to the fact that doctors are castrating russian p o ws

ah that's just

yeah i can't really say but you know i mean that's just kind of like at that point you're not really just you i don't know i mean somewhere i'm not i have not memorized the hyppocratic oath

i'm just pretty sure that

somewhere in that hippocratic oath

there's

probably a word or two that

makes it

a violation

to cast right

the wounded

it's first to do no harm so i'm pretty sure at that point is what i'm trying to say

if you're doing that you're an enemy combatant and you're no longer just a doctor you can't just say i'm a doctor

when you are

committing war crimes against p ows

as in your medical capacity

y

cs onya

see thatbl but sim wmanytam the have a little socket poker chack behind the on the jack

you would ask i pro sed

when you get you onion astocaus ona sm machinm custody

was sat

yeah this is totally a not a sign of desperation

sure yeah the ukraines have totally ukrainians have totally stalled the russian military operation they've beaten the russians back

their doing so with such ease

a

and that's why they're resorting to things like this

the te oning on he

n

ight

that's totally a sign

totally issig

you never people are like no they would never use human shields they would never

bold people hostage in hospitals and schools s what were fucking saying on t v

you know look what they're fucking saying on t v you don't think they would be doing some neparius shit

off t v i'm pretty sure they would be look what they say on

given as

the reres you make

so this is farid zakaria

o for reads akaria who has this

brilliant humanitarian

on

he so

beautiful brilliant humanitarian

absolutely wonderful

read the kara

feried's a caria

given his resume ganadi drzenko would be a great choice for a g p s guest at any time he's a constitutional lawyer

one of ukraine's best and brightest

but faced with war he has fired up an ambulance corps that he co founded in response to russia's two thousand and fourteen invasion of his nation

he and his family are also armed and ready to all russia invaded in two thousand and fourteen now ok so what was the point

why was the us saying russia is about to invade russia' is about to invade

when it turns out russia already invaded as of twenty fourteen

fight the invaders

gonadi joins me now from keep

let me start gnadi by asking you

you know what a question we're all wondering when we see people like you

how are you feeling what how are you right now

thank you for it thank you for it for such

great in production

but now i am just one of there

maybe it

hundred of thousands of

ordinary ukrainians who just defend not just our land but

freedom

dignity and very basic very fundamental sense

don't understand how we feel now maybe you americans should remind

their use of they or

born of the country

two hundred and fifty years ago whens farmers lawyers

doctors

create is a great country i love it i spent

not one re in american universities

so it is not a professional war what

it should be understood by american audience that is a war at is really popular war

me

as a loyer constitutional schooler who

not truly a popular war truly a popular war

truly a popular war

ah anyway

check this out

interesting

during the zlenskis speech thnesset in israel all of the arab israeli m k s skipped it

and are saying that nato is the one which has imposed the war

and it's not the best part guys

it's not the best part

uh

fuck i fucking don't have it

fuck

'm looking for

mattie

this is our favorite guy here right

is just

ah what a great man

mayy ho s on deeply disappointing to see the palestinian parties in nnesset

boycott selensky's speech and blame nato and not putin for imposing this war on ukraine no excuse for this kind of behaviur there's no excuse as well for a trying to bring to light ah

cut off

and its ruling families

alloyance with

western progressives there has been a long standing lines between qatar the muslim brotherhood and

k and u s liberal progressive forces they're all in an alliance together

and

we believe in reigniting the arab spring

which was started by catah

and bringing back the muslim brotherhood on

liberal progressive grounds

medias on medias on everyone medias on

he'll be brilliant

works for al jazeiera the muslim brotherhood

ah

ah from qatar

which funds and financed

the arabspring

so he's super disappointed in it

this is like one of the most annoying fuckin liberals ever

we are enemies with trump first and foremost

forst and foremost

president z alenski is a great man

fig this out

uh

in their zeal across the russian economy the u s hawks inadvertently have opened the way for russia and china to begin creating a new monetary system

scheck it up

the reality is that the present military operation ukraine will be relegated to a footnote in global history

ah

the collective west sives all the foreign exchange utes of the central bank in russia that are held in the west

the magnitude of this event is underlined the fact that during an earlier conflict centered on ukraine the crimean war

britain and france were at war with russia yet throughout the war

the russian government continued paying interest to british holders of its debt

the british government also kept paying its debts to the russian government

so this is unfuck unprecedented this level of economic warfare

has never fucking happened ever

ok

and this is a form of warfare by the way

m

six thousand tons can easily be seized by the u s authorities at the flick of a switch

yeah their sanctioning recipients of russian gold admittedly be a tad far

we consider this

there is sixteen tons of foreign known gold still out of the new york federal reserve

it can be seized by the u s authorities with the flick of a switch

why not stairs for the taking so why would foreign states want to go on keeping their gold in new york

why not repatriate while you still can

well for one it would be no easy with yeah i'd be like when the gall sent a

he sent the french navy to go get their gold back

yes some might say that russia is held by the uus to be a bad actor whereas we are not

that's fine for today

but the list of states that even at one time or another been labeled bad actors long

as the us loses the ability to use chinese savings to finance its budget and trade deficit

this is happening as the boomer generation retires and their entitlement hand out soared

defense interest and non discretionary entitlements aread to eat withe hundred per cent of the tax revenues

so now there is no choice the fed will print most of the huge additional spending

yup zlenski bann all the opposition parties we just covered it

we know that because both the fed and the ecb said they were not consulted the seizure

yup

new monetary system emerging u s dollars going down the toilet

and don't say i didn't told you so

because i did

haz i really

really did

and then there's a few more things we're going to cover before we get back to that

wintes versus destiny debate

among them

mm

where is it

here it is

o check this out

k

oligarchs believe that putin will renationalize their assets

they expect putin to issue an official decree that properties privatized

since ninety one be returned to the russian state

holy fog

you mean

since ninety one they're going to be falking

a

renationalized

you mean all of the industries privatized since the shock therapy reforms of the nineties

will be renationalized

holy shit

leading russian oligarchs such as aluminium tycoon oleg

the repaska swiss based oil baron victor ckelsburg and nickel king vladimir potanin

have all but resigned themselves to the likelihood

that putin will soon decree

a renationalization of their domestic holdings

high level banking and legal sources

who have worked with all the major oligarchs since the dissolution of the soviet union

says the overwhelming consensus among oligarchs

is that putin will soon issue an official degree announcing the properties privatised

since one thousand nine hundred one be returned to the russian state

nationalization is not a question of if but when one top banker says

i mean i guess you can say

putin

the's pust left

nationalization is not a question of if but when

it's just a fucking base

i am sorry this is just late

based beyond fuck and belief

guys and i want to let's just be clear guys

we're not talking about the return of the soviet union

o

we are talking about a new chapter

in russian civilization's history

which includes the history of the soviet union

and doesn't

it's a new chapter of russian socialism

right

which were only in the very beginning stages of

but you know putin you know what he said is that he said look we're sick of all these uh

oligarchs whose loyalty is to the west and who are a fifth column and we're not going to stand for it anymore

and this is probably part of that

ukraine rejects russia's demand to surrender mariopo by monday morning

this means that mario paul is going to fall very very soon

i'll give it that this week mariopol' is going to fall

ukrainian deputy prime minister said early monday that surrendering the eastern city of mariople is not an option

and demanded that russian forces allow a safe pass for civilians

oh ok the fact that you're rejecting so this is what ukraine's doing

ukraine is using the people of mariople as a sacrificial land they're saying

ya

we're not going to surrender mariopul so russia take mariopul

and whatever civilian collateral damage there is

and damage the civilian infrastructure we're just going to use that to show the international press

and show the international media

and to whip up

foreign audiences into a frenzy

in order to get support for a no fly zone and nato intervention and that's

really what the ukrainian government's been doing they don't really give a fuck about ukrainians all they care about is saving their own ass and saving their own skin

ukraine

no surrender that's so bad ass

fuckin zelenski while he's sitting in a fuckin cheap fucking polish studio somewhere

with a fuckin green screen is like

i will not surrender

let the people of ukraine die

but i'm not going to surrender

that brave zealenski you're so fucking brave

you're so fucking brave

could you explain what the nationalization of said industries does for the country it means the industries are going to be in control by the russian people

and not these fucking oligarchs that's what it fucking means

and i'm sure you know they're not ending the market economy of russia they're not returning

the state planning but like

key industries probably should be nationalise you know

aluminium oil energy copper you know that you know you should probably nationalize those

and then you know

leave room to have private small businesses and stuff right that's probably the probably the best arrangement right

people w have no control the government will

it's the same fucking thing

do you actually mean that when people say the people they're talking about the h

sum total of individuals that's not what people are talking about

apparently there is some shelling in kiev and podil i don't know what the fockn even trust

when comes that right

finally zlenski in the israeli nesset

was asking israel to help stop russia's final solution that's what he's calling

russia's actions in ukraine it's pretty fucking reckless language if you ask me pretty irresponsible

reckless language anyway guys

um

remember that they said russians were out of food fuel and ammo week weeks ago

oh no they are it's just that china came and gave them food and whatever right

allright let's get back to this debate

give me a second

give me a secd

but you could turn back time

do the good old days let's watch this

and the last one very quickly nations with contested territory can't join nato it would never be the case that we would admit ukraine to join while there is contested territory unless ukraine was willing to cede that immediately to

russia

um so

wa's this

what is this

my friend here is from detroit we got people here for him

hello

we've just arrived from america to don't bass

we're from all over america i'm from texas

my friend here's from detroit we got me

people here from minnesota

what

you never

holy funk what is this

these are conservative americans

all over america i'm from texas

my friend here from detroit weve got people here from minnesota

and all over areas of america

we are here to fight against globalism in the new world order

we are here to fight the ukrainian nazis

i gotta admit it's kind of a weird

accent

rushes the last place onor

america

you know

fight is against liberalism

the globalism

and the new world order that is destroying america

he says a merica weird

is this real

yes

youre and laer heirs from america or from canada

yes you lve it

does anyone with a texan accent know if this is actually how texans say america

a a cup

it kind of sounds like a british american it's so like a british accent trying to sound american

this is one hundred percent of texas accent ok

he's in ukraine

you best run around and go back home

because

we are going to be comming

and when we meet on that battlefield

then all bets are off

fm

you need to go back call

and you need to revalue ast what you think you're doing here

i speak for us

but i think i also speak for a majority of the american people

the people

in america

this doesn't sound russian

we don't tolerate the liberalism that is eating it like cancer

gods

this is a lat stand for the world

it's either freedom

or liberalism but can't have both

stand with us

and whe's floy

this disease has taken over

but

that's crazy

where do is the origins of this

what's the source for this

that that's that's completely off the table right there

and terms of ukraine oh man there's some may args go through one the very first thing you talk about like nato expanded first nato was the aggressor first i don't knowf i necessarily agree with that in when i was searching through a post cold war era conflict right what's happening in europe one of the first conflicts that happened was the was russia supporting the breakaway straight the breakway state ing liberalism has any merit

not the one not the one that rules us now no that has to

die you know

ah historically

even then now

even not even historical

you know

b liberalism

and moldova during the transnistria war so russia had already established a pattern of british liberalism was always shitty you know it was always shitty

i don't even believe classical liberals know what fucking was and it was always

shit

always shit

whos always say tanic you know

be

heeth the d yeah insd

you find separatists you fund them you export fuck out of russian passports you get these people set up establishing their ow breakaway state youusen and russian peacekeeper peacekeeper troops there and that's literally right on the ukrainian border so we've already got a map for what would happen in the future in southessia in georgia and then in what's happening now in dunbos and ukraine the idea that nato was forcing russia's hands here when i think russia to do is create a situation a power gag thaty could absolutely lead to world war three maybe the number one cause of world that

sure so just to shoot dow the last one very quickly nations w contested tertor we can't join nato it would never be the case that we would admit ukraine to join while there is contest then why wouldn't nato in the u s give russia the necessary security assurances

that would have prevented this entirely from happening

a territory unless ukraine was willing to cede that immediately to

russia

so that's that's completely off the table right there so

and terms of ukraine oh maer some ma re gos go through one of the very first thing you talk about nato expanded first nato was the aggressor first i also why didn't you even make that argument why didn't you make that argument in the very beginning

might necessarily agree with that in the when i was searching through a well a post cold war era conflict right what's happening in europe one of the first conflicts that happened was the was russia supporting the breakaway strait the breakaway state in moldova during the transnistria war so

why wouldn't russia support

russians exercising their self determination in moldova

what the fok gives moldover the right

to exercise self determination

from the soviet union

but transnistrians don't have the right to exercise self determination within moldova

what gave moldova the right to be independent it's so fucking stupid

though russia had already established a pattern of you find separatists you fund them you export

you don't need to fund them

holy shit you don't need to fund them when it's these are already popular movements

fucked out of russian passports you get these peopleet up established theirwn breakaway state you send russian peacekeeper peacekeeper troops there and that's literally right on ukrainian border so we've already got a map for what would happen in the future in south ossia in georgia and then in what's happening now in dunbas and ukraine the idea that nato was forcing russia's hands here when i think russia has already had the blueprint for this exact type of action i just i don't agree with that i think that russia has already es

what

transnistria apkazia

and southest asia

now

a what's the exact year of the abkazia conflict

we russia's intervention let me see

what was the exact date

let me look it up

oh yeah ok those ninety two ninety two and ninety three

yy

in which i know that was

when did russia specifically intervene in abkazia

all that was during the two thousand and eight war

so before then russian peacekeepers weren't there

russian peacekeepers in alkhazia during the ninety two and ninety eight conflicts

does anyone knoww

it was only during two thousand and eight ok so two thousand and eight was for both abkhazia and south ocesia

wish that power

ok

why did i think they were separate

beause i was thinking of the wards being separate

is the apkazi a war was separate in the nineties from the ossessia war

yeah yeah in two thousand and eight yeah yeah it was both of them

georgian president is thirs priority was the restoration of s the sovereignty over the breakway regions

yes exactly he was tipping the scales to break the status quo typically with fucking happens

when these nationalists

leaders get into office i'm not saying that zelensi because he wasn't really necessarily he was more

insilatory but yeah that's something that happens

lot of people don't really take the possibility that a smaller country can be aggressive seriously but it can

you know

but the thing with destiny is that

since we can collapse apasia and osatia i was literally tr i was

i'm pretty sure russia was there in ninety two in osetia

what i'm trying to figure out right now

was russia

in alpazia in ninety two ninety three

were russian peacekeepers there in ninety two and ninety three and what was the extent of russian support these are facts i don't know

um

but we can collapse those two into one case for two thousand and eight so there's literally two cases

right transnistria and georgia

where russia

did this

the thing is is that

what the reason detinys a dumb fuck here is because it's like

the common denominator here is not russian manipulating

the internal civil strife of a country in order to intervene

the common denominator

is civil strife and ethnic tensions

that

are spillovers

from things that were never really actually resolved as a consequence of the collapse of the soviet union

the reason there's a conflict in moldova

the reason there's a conflict in georgia and the reason there's a conflict in ukraine now

is plainly put

the collapse of the soviet union was a messy affair which was never actually resolved

everyone needs to understand it was never resolved

pattern of behavior i

in terms of feeling everything else just is repeating over and over again i don't even like using the realist analysis i thin it's garbage do't think anybody even agrees with using realism to analyze foreign policies anymore but

no i don't think nick fentas read wikipedia

on his end

i know you' like to talk about th call youchmierimers analysis of like the state of security in you know on thousan onwards from youope he's written a lot of essays about he wrote a huge one a fifty page paper in one thousand nine hundred pdicting the future state of security in europe it was garbage it was horrible his predictions that europe would descend into constant anarchy that countries like japan and the united states would be looking to viye for interest here that every country be re army because that's what realist countries do it just totally completely missed the mark

i don't

what

don't think i don't think anybody takes those predictions seriously in terms of this is how countries will act so i don't know if it's appropriate to go forward into the future when he's already faile to make successful predictions of what has really been a relatively peaceful period for thirty years in europe and thenry

has mearsheimer not made any predictions at all really

pretty sure you predicted

what would happen in ukraine

see that this frame of analysis is what we're going to use going forward when it comes to deing with ukraine and russia and then again what's more to reiterate for the fifty millionth time all of these realist arguments if we are to accept them justifies

may actually look up what he's talking about

we will soon miss the cold war in nineteen ninety

hold on

doesn't this kind of predict the the yugoslav war

wait a fucking second

didn't mersheimer kind of predict the yugoslav war

i'm reading it right now

the current ownership scenario

so there were actually multiple scenarios he

young

forsaw

and i think he was actually relatively correct

especially

mean there's still time for him to be correct as well but i

the yugoslav war had not even started yet when he said this

europe is reverting to a state system

that created powerful incentives for aggression in the past

if you believe in it or not in the whatever

that prospects for international peace are not markedly influenced by domestic political character of states

that is the character of the state system not the character of the individual units composing it

that drive states towards war

it is difficult to share in the widespread elation of the moment of the future in europe

malti just polar dispute

i think he was kind of on the nose as of a few years later

with

the yugoslav war

desn'ty sounds stupid

nato including ukraine and being aggressive towards russia jesse is like yeah no when ersim wrote that it was followed by nothing but a

a years of prosperity you know what fucking was and there was a fucking balkan war

just as it much just as much as it does russia taking over ukraine and i guess establishing security around its own borders but again i mean i can ask you again and i know that will kind of dance around like nato has not shown itself to be aggressive towards russia the most and best you can possibly say is that there are surface to surface missile bases in some of these nato countries but

i mean what like like honestly do you really believe that nato countries are going to start launching missiles into moscow like do you really believe

no because that's nuclear war holy fucking shit

he just like says this on reasonable

it's so fucking stupid

what do you call this in debatea terms it's like

what is this form of a fallacious

argumentation called

when you're like oh

what is it called again guys i know there's a specific name for it it's like

when you're arguing with someone

and

they're like hey

don't steal my

ah don't steal my derido's bag

and you're like why would i steal your rito's bag you're like well because you stole my

chips before some i don't fuck in no and then you're like

um

you're like really do you really think i would push your grandma down the stairs

it's a little bit on reasonable isn't it it's like

yeah yeah it's yeah redacto ad absurdum whatever the fuck that's called

reductio add absurdum

i'm pretty sure it's the absurdium thing

bas

no that's not that' is not the folacy one

what

which one is the fallacy it is a specific fallacy

non no there's a specific fucking word for it i don't remember what it is

it's a non sequitur

i don't fucking

believe that or is this something you worried twenty or thirty years from now or do you think that the investment in a bm technology go become so good that you know at some point we did it guys we beat second strike capability time uss a nuke the hell out of russia i just that sounds fantastical to me now

maybe we can imagine a world where that happens so it's not a non sequtor i forgot what it's focking called

but i can't use that imaginary world to justify the invasion destruction of civilian cities it's not the nonsequre

we know what it's called it's like like it's like when you're like fucking the

in a clely shit

someone's goinga break into our house

really why do you think they're going to break into our house

because they they said that i heard that they were going to break into our house and they're on their way driving right now

like really do you really think

that

you know our house is just going to

do you really think that they're going to like blow down all of the walls of our house

it's like no

but they could you know break a window

and the takeover what do you call that

a sovereign nation that exists today in the real world that would be insane to me that sort of justification can be used for russia to invade literally any neighbor that they could perceive in thirty years to be a threat because of technology that doesn't exist yet i just think that's absolutely insane

yes so to address the first part i mean to say that backing the moldovan separatist is a precursor to nato expanding the thirteen countries is just ridiculous and

as far as realism goes

what realism does is it's a frame for how we

we explain how states behave that's that's what

international relations theory seeks to do is let's analyze and explain how states behave why do they do the things that they do

and what realism says is that

the decisions of states and the way that states behave is based on something called the security dilemma

that fundamentally states seek security they want to secure their border they want to secure you know they want to create offens of in dec defensive capabilities that protect them from their adversaries

certainly this explains the russian policy you know that this realist framework of security

and you know explaining moscow's behavior in ukraine abtlualely explains seting nothing to do with ideology nothing to do with ideas nothing to do with you know interconnected institutions it's about the raw military capabilities of the nato defensive alliance and b do you gys believe in s rex is just

say oh youre sheimers predictive

a analysis didn't work in the nineties well it absolutely worked in twenty fourteen

twenty fourteen he added down to it t he predicted the next eight years a conflict based on the realist interpretation of how states behave he said you know you can he said this in fourteen he sll appeal to extreme no it's i forgot what it's fo called no it's not it's a good specific thing

and moscow will never accept ukraine joining nato we said moscow would soon to destroy ukraine and have ukraine join nato we said it's unacceptable and this is true this is been reiterated by russia by putin and this is been their policy for the past eight years as far as you know ukraine becoming a nato member state well that's just off the table because it disputed territory it's like yeah that's kind of the problem isn't it that's kind of the problem that russia came in there and said look i'm taking this off the table i'm going create disputed territory to take nato membership off the table and they don't persist

and nato says you know no for we don't even care it's like okay so what's the end game

there you go he's actually got this one hundred percent right

the fact that destinies are all disputed territory

no

it didn't give a fuck about di sputed territory

that if there is disputed territory that's not being resolved anytime soon

russia' is not going to be dislodged from crimea and the war in donbass goes on so why is nato membership being discussed why is the united states strengthening its security guarantee

to ukraine in november twoentousand and twenty one if that's the case i agree with you yes exactly nato membership cannot be expanded to countries with disputed territory

and yet the conversation goes on eight years into the civil war in donbas eight years after the annexation of crime

there you go

a so exactly why is that conversation going on it's a horrible nightmare scenario to imagine

that ukraine would become a nato member state with these ongoing crises that have no sign of abating yet it does this is a horrifying thing

a and why are you watching this clown

ah because it's one of

because

i usually wouldn't watch this clown

that's who you're talking about right

um

but he's debating

this funtees guy who's pretty smart

so that's why

then to the point of well oh come on nato is never going to invade russia

you know and this is the problem i think with

this is where your analysis fails it's this naive worldview where it says like oh well that'll never happen russia has nothing to worry about it's like ok

um and

yeah russia would never uke the united states right russia would never uke the united states because that would be silly i mean that be crazy so we should just not have a nuclear arsenal

and you know china would never invade you there you go

actuale

this is why i'm saying he's smart i wouldn't have even thought of that argument

gate

right

because i that's what destin he said was so fucking stupid

i was like ok whatever

but then like yeah he was like

you actually think nato is going to bomb moscow

it's like do you think moscow is going to bomb america

oh we're not so i guess we should just like

you know what i mean you could just say so many stupid things

you could see so much dumb shit using that line of reasoning it's so fucking stupid

that you know no countrys

weill ever attack the united states because united states you know we have three hundred million guns among the population we've got a big enough military so let's close on our military bases let's totally destroy our nuclear artenal 's get rid of all that it's like

that flies in the face oh better yet let's just

we can even ust simplify it more we like

do you think russia' is ever going to but let's how it would keep our nuclear articenal but like we'll get rid of our whole military

you think russell's going to do anything when we don't

you know what i should actually make that argument

a destiny

america's military should be completely dismantled and we should just have nukes

his remember what destiny said

destiny said geography doesn't matter in war the only thing that matters in war

is nukes right

so we we don't even need a military anymore do we

is there's never going to be another conventional war again it's just going to be nukes

so why do we even have a military

you really think

there moscow is going to

tom washington

how states pursue security it's about it's about risk

it's about capability it's about potential

if the united states has the capability

to do a first strike on russia

and prevent a second strike with an a b m shield

that alone is an unacceptable security posture for russia i mean how would you feel if you're a russian citizen and it's like

well i think the united states won't do me today like that's just not good enough can i ask al friend you can exacin t's let's say that i actually grant all of that let's say that an a b m shield exists and

ho on someone proved with math

this video was greenscreening

ok

on this image we have the first frame of the video where zelenski walks to the camera on the right and have a frame wse standing still

the red bars signify reference rows on which his shoulders and armpins at the left frame

i chose the references because dou the behavior of zlen sk in the clip in which he was walking

distance betweenm ands the ground is similar

doble wich youve seim

the further zelenski is from camera the smaller he appears

assuming distance is going to infinity

you would eventually disappear into the point

lying on this line

what does it mean will it mean two things either he's a mole or a ghost

and he appeared from the ground

theres a human being walking on the ground

and his

a being on the ground

should appear from the horizon which means there is a green screen

doble wach youve seem

apparently this guy proved it

i cand of believe it

there's a missile attack on aramco's facilities in jedda

mm

check this out

zelenski has

and i went over

i guess that

twelve thirteyime to keyven and i was going supposed to announce that there is another billion dollar loan guarantee

and i had gotten a commitment from poroshenko and from

the yats and yuk that they would take action against a state prosecutor and they did'

so they said they had theyre walking out to pressc s and i said i'm not going to we're not going to give you the billion dollars

the said you have no authority you're not the president the president said i said call him

i said i'm telling you're not getting a billion dollars

i said you're not getting the billion im would be leaving here i think it was what six hours i look as i'm leaving six hours and the prosecutors not fired you're not getting the money

well son of a beitch got fired and they put in place someone

who was solid

and stmer

i went over

i guess that

twelve thirteenth time to keeven and i was going supposed to announce that there is another billion dollar loan guarantee

and

mm interesting

interesting we have first strike capabilities and we've totally nullified a sex recuty why does' matter if we have ukraine then

why can't all those missiles just comut of the baltics what changes there how far is the border from latvia

you should ask the nato that i mean that i'm not the one that w no i'm asking you gy you're telling me that you're telling me that we need to keep ukraine out of nato because i'm a real i'm russian i need to show my skin interest ok well let's say we'ed either of these thing on no no no i'm you're describing how as i'm asking let's say this technology exists let's say the a b m all our antibolistic missile platforms exist we've eliminated second stri

fuch we could launtchose missiles from from fucking d c why would it matter at that point whether ukraine is or not ho does how does that security interest square up at all with russia's invasion of ukraine

because both

is

what is this

how do i show this to you guys

i'm going to upload it to twitter and then show it you guys this is a funny video

come on i want to show you this funny video

this is actually lary

we just make sure there's no t os in it

but you know

all right let's sek it out american reunification

what is this and he's like different endings

why did you choose this picture

what is that

cat that be

all right i'm jus going to share it on twitter

wish me what

i'm just going to share it

i love this i don't the part words burning is a little edgy i don't know what that means

what is this song i'm going to sz this i like the song on let me shuzm the song

no it's gone

is it the east asia anthem is it actent

what is that song im wanna adopt that song

and make it into something

where

oh it is what is this from i like this

i actually like this

is this dragon age is this actually fucking dragon age

well don't ruin it is that actually from dragon age

boch it's dragony

i like it though

but i don't like it anymore but i kind of like

why did they choose the dragon age song for this

kind of like this

wait people sang people are singing

it's not just dragon edge because people are singing right or is the lyrics part of the game

i like this i actually like this this is a cool video

this is not what claus schwab wants to come on

ellen a posed to be with the regular theme a weill do that now this is like tank

we dislike

yh what even is the funky no

i don't know what it is but it

this is the final form of tanke this is the final form

this is when doogan gets promoted as the

bye

what do they call him the high priest of eurasia

at putin this is one putin appoints doug

that's what it is

i don't even know why africa's in this at all

ok that i don't know don't ask me i didn't make this

fix

i have no idea why any of this is i don't know what this is

i just think the music in the video is cool don't you

scott is not in it

oh fve

i was going to say if they they just excluded scotland

didn't they use

jesus ho father

he turned on the volume jesus

i kind of like this

you know what's wrong you know why nine hundred eighty four was wrong

as we are actually living in one nine hundred eighty four

but we don't have this like beautiful anthem or whatever right

nine hundred eighty four was like oh it's going to be like this beautiful sublime aesthetic

where we're all going to be like

you know comrade whatever fucking marching tankies

they're going to have a beautiful anthem and there's going to be this cohesive society

ah that's glorious and where there's no glory we have nineteen eighty four

with none of the romantic

ah glorious anthems none of the glory none of the power none of that we just have fucking carl schwab

and fucking mark zuckerbergen shit

right

they say look at the screen

that

said look at the screen

well this is the gameor anthem

that ruined it for me i'm sorry i was digging it but that ruined it

llk at the screen no man that's just

it's the dumbest shit i've ever heard

that's the dumbest shit ive that's literally the dumbest shit i've ever heard

i want to i kind of want to see the your one more i'm going to watch this one more time

and then we're going back to the destin of you i just want to watch this one more time i like it ok

all rise to the national anthem

but why did your people get deleted

can this be considered 'larp

it is that this is larva

it's just so fucky and random

is

it's too big it's literally fifty percent of the whole world

but why did they cut it off here

they just took everything and cut it off here and they're celebrating it i don't know why

they also took out malaysia and indonesia

no no guys you know what big bucking hle area is

intern actually may crack me up

if a balkans guy just made this and like he randomly like took out serbia or some shit or like you

he took out fucking like croatia or

took out turkey or whatever took out greece like what if a turkish guy made this

and he just took ourey

god

mm

know someone's got to make that me someone's got to make that

you just see one of a hole somewhere here one of these conuntries is missing

this is so fucking cool though i'm sorry it is a but it's cool

why do they take fucking

i do you think greenland

why is greenland taken

yes

nato will never give nahe we keep the public fact anyway

look at the other videos on the channel

okay

we're getting very off track but

what a fug

where is this fuckens

this is literally what happens to tanky ok what first of all i feel called out

little bit

but

what are the falcing oards

what are the falking odds

but that's the shit that would be on this channel

and then it's just one thing that just ran off

just one random thing

it've got a million views

fifteen years yet

i want to watch the tribute to dino gaming

is to get six hundred thousand views but our latest infrared vision video only got eleven thousand

this is a lot of evidence i'm not going to lie this is a lot of evidence that they're real

you can't really deny this's come up

jamn this is my favorite one

two

this is my favorite one

this one's really cool

i didn't want to leave that one out

want to see a beautiful video

i was on to see a beautiful video

what is this

prehistoric episode three my tribute to dinosaur gaming

wait what

did you actually say that

i didn't see it

oh shit i was getting real

hey i just want to know like

how did it go from that

and i watch the youtube poop

my lovee

there's going to be an n word in there i i just from two thousand fucking

by there was no one no one ever got cancelled back then there's going to be an endword there

e hundred percent

ok so we went from

all of these dinosaur videos just and then he decided he woke up one day and he said

i'm just goning to make this video

what happened to that they what they

it i think i think he just randomly became a tankey

you know what the only tankees i like are the ones who are like this o

i don't like leftists i like people who like dinosaurs and then just

just did this shit

that's that's cause that's kind of how i started out i was in fuckin middle school

in like two thousand and eight

and i was like all about the soviet anthem larp and all that shit

and don't be wrong i was super reactionary or whatever right

but i still like the soviet stuff and whatever so it's like that's what i like that i don't like these fucking leftists who are like that's problematic i mean it s the fuck up it's

you know

that's not the type of fucking tanky i'm not that i'm not that type of i'm not a leftist i'm a fucking tankey okay

ultimately as a tankee i like this shit

you know

there's two types of tankes the ones

that were like this and they like dinosaur shit and then they just also

thought uh

you know they they really like the fuck and might and glory of the soviet union and it's whatever

and then there's the type of tank you that's like i think the workers should own the means of production

and then we are the former type ok

this is the type we are

wehere this time it's like this guy's not a leptist you know this guy probably lives this guy probably lives in a fucking

this guy lives in a fuck this guy lives out in a small town and he lives in a he lives in the woods in fucking oklahoma okay

this guy just lives in a random

he lives in the woods somewhere in oklahoma ok

and

you know

he probably lives in serbia or some shit this guy doesn't falck about leftism he doesn't care about political correctness

this is some random guy living in oklahoma

ok

that's why he's fucking bass that's why tankes are working class ok

that's why tankees are working class

you don't you don't have to be this fucking like

what di this where these fucking where these fake tanky gjenz a dong luna way people come from

where di they hakkim hakkim

where these bucking people even come from

where did they even come from

you know i remember back in the day

when takese word just

i remember when tankes were just random dudes living in idaho

hey i don't i don't where did this shit come from where it was like

you're just this woke fuck in whatever i' were that shit even come from

talking liberals

you know

yes back in the good old days

you don't like being a conservative a libertarian a tanky

and far right

there we that was one pipeline

people the same people who were conservatives would also become tankees

the same people that would become ron paul people also tankees

same people that would become far right also become tankees but never was there a pipeline to being a falcking liberal

or any of that shit

that was totally just out of the question you know

yet tankeys became gentrified

i might make a youtube video on this

because

tankees became fucking gentrified that's so fucking true

and you guys know what

in russia

in russia it's the same way in russia you know what tankiyes are

tankees are literally people who did fucking a

russian civil war reenactments who were literal like larpers but they weren't bad larpers because they just like

they had fun with it they were doing reenactments and they liked

you know what i mean that's what

it's the same thing in russia to

you know

um

so yeah

but im

but anyway what i was trying to say is that

jason is an old school thankee

no he's not

jason was an old school thankee

who converted to being a liberal

erson

the the cursed jason

timeline is when he started to have a mohawk and he started

see i'll give him this ta he's always been a larper but

he started to larp

as an antifa leftist like jason just started

is that

go

he started out as it a is a normal tankey

and thatn he realized socialism was getting popularity

so then he started to larp it

instead of larping as a fucking red guard

with like or as a soviet soldier or anything he started larping as like a antipa street

brawler or some

ps sre

and that's when jason stopped being based

oy

that's when he just became a fucking lib

' exactly what happened

pose a security risk to russia i mean i don't understand it six one half a dozen of the other but both of these things are provocations because both upset the balance and that's fundamentally what realism is about is about balance so it's ill answer your question

you know

creating an a b m shield even though in

you don't even need to grant me that it's that we're even working on it you're right because it's nowhere near completion it's not a factive on one less thing one less thing

one last thank you

w do the whats i was so scared

oh my god huh n makes there's like no dead bodies a right there's

' check so is got tell you these are russian thankies this is actually how they are

russian thankees

bas

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fuck at bas if you asked me

teck fact checking i saw the udar off thing where you captured a

braining a p c it's just not that it's not that it's not that fun moey what jackson behd the ray jackson thank you

what a man

what it's that twenty years ago we said forget it you know we're going to start to build this thing that russia cannot build

it's a provocation it upsets the balance it upsets the confidence that russia has because that's really what it's about is you got if you have two adversaries

which are both powerful and distrustful of one another

it's about confidence in each other

and when the united states pulls out of this treaty it disrupts the confidence that russia can have in mutually sure destruction their confidence that the united states will never do a first strike because we're going niilate it because i'm noting irun right pursuing this teche ok but but that does nothing for russia but they could say that i mean they could say that but the a b m shield works equally against russia but i love the yourraise a video

i love it

a as it doesn't all i'm thinking about right now

raini in north korea i mean they could say that all day long

but the effective capability works equally against russia doesn't work equally though because you can only end the fucking in sg do the screen

pcept so many missiles that's why both countries have like pse don't shoot down missiles no but not missiles this is the question that like every high schooler ask right like why are so many nukes in existence mom we co can uke the whole world fifty million times over what's because you want to get through any of those hypothetical shields right a single i c b m can have a merve that has like what like fucking twenty thirty forty dummy warheads on it now there's no possible way that you're intercepting thousands of these missiles right it's not like shooting down palestinian bombs being lobbed into into fucking israel right these are pretty sophisticated weapons launching from all

over the world so

ok just to illuminate the extent of destiny's ignorance

the israelis can't shoot down palestinian bombs it's literally just a psychological cope

that's literally a truth

the iron dome system is psychological it's not it isesn't actually fucking work

come from the past literally everyone knows that it's literally a psychological dome

the cope doe

exceptrom the atlantic a place we don't even know they exist the oceans it's but this is fundamentally mr action because and again

you know that is what the united states set they said well we're building the a b m sheal for iran and north korea ok but

a b m agreement was signed between russia and the united states and that was the foundation of mutually sure destruction between russia and the united states for thirty years signed before north korean by the way how i rainlet take you want to debate it you dumb stupid little bitch

it's a kked done everyone fucking knows that

last conflict holy shit

the amount of rockets that actually hit

how does the iron do not work it's very easily overwhelmed

it's very easily overwhelmed

iy overwhelmed it

buck in last conflict

rupt each other we had a good we had to go back and forth

um

that that it still disrupts russias and it wasts my time talking to broke

virgin losers see a chump yeah runs away like a little bitch soon as they get called out

see a charm

you're just a little bitch you're not you're not the one leaving by your own accord

you're getting punked out you little bitch you're going to go to bed with less testosterone

your crush is not going to look at you the same way

by the way little bitch

going to walk with your head looking down

getting beitched out

hoped out

s confidence

in the mutually sure destructive brainlet tape

braen the tea

rainlet take you are a little bitch

framework because i will grant you all of that i agree with you a b m is inadequate because it doesn't include china a b m is inadequate because you do have states seeking a nuclear arsenal

all of that being said this does nothing to reassure russia i mean like because just as russia says that you know nato promised go give me one good reason

why kim jong won should not have nukes one good reason

actually i want one of these lib liberals

i want one of these fucking liberals to give me one good reason why kim jongin should not have nukes give me one good fucking reason

urmachov the nato would expand it doesn't mean shit if it's not on paper so

united states could say we're doing this for iran and china and north korea

but effectively they're still building an a b m shield and it still does disrupt the confience that russia has and so it upsets that ca you one good fucking reason

one good reason

of finance on the balance as far as no mass liberals stupid fox

your question is concerned

and the same is true of ukraine

you know you're right do i think that natoes going to invade russia anytime soon i mean probably not i don't i don't think that would make much sense but it disrupts the balance and it destroys russia's confidence that something like that could not happen again

it relies on nato's good faith

and good faith is not enough because regimes change circumstances change crises flare up you know things happen in the world and so what underlies a nation's security is its capability its confidence

and there's no good reason there's not

things come from noth

oftensive and defensive capability that come go into debating nick

right

i mean if you want if you wanted to

you know i discussion would also i'd al be open to a discussion

from buffer stnks they come from i don't know what i would debate exactly

he's in agreements i don't think we would have any practical debating i don't

he doesn't like doing that in intellectual you know

jack off shit

i personally don't

why

doing the intellectual jack offshit either

debate america reversed for scientific socialism

uh it's

that's not really something you debate

you know

uh because

we don't even have a fucking organization maybe if we had an organization

or something

that was

comparable to a

but how about this

before we before we decide to debate him on america first

why don't we become as successful as hey iss

we're nowhere near who you know

he actually organizes conferences and he's

does shit in real life and we're nowhere near his level yet you know

so

what would we even bring to the table nothing we would bring nothing to the table

and so it's not enough to say well nato has never invaded us before they probably won't you know launch those missiles at us from ukraine

and forever into the future it's yeah he influences primary candidates we're nowhere near at that level

it's not an adequate guaran and that's the argument from the russian side is if

you know it's just not good enough for russian security if i don't listening to that iff i if i

we go through the realist perspective i'm curious

if nato membership was never floated yeh a i think a convo would be better than a debate

right

this is shit you debate about like stret like for example a debate is very strategic

let me tell you what debates are about debates are about russia

vers ukraine

or america versus whatever or biden versus trump right that's a debate because

you know that's like a

a battle you know

play on the table ukraine but when there's when you don't have ant like an established

reality to this

shit

then

you know

what is there to debate about

would not ukraine fall victim to russia youre liken us antagonistic contradiction

the influence anyway is that what realism would tell us that irrespective of nato expansion we would expect a country to exercise authority if it can ont to weaker powers surrounding their borders meaning that none of this nato should even really matters anyway to russia

well

that's really the crx of it isn't yeah got it is right yeah yes well but but here guys in one year guess what happens

in one year

in one year guess what happens

yes russia would exert influence over ukraine and there's nothing wrong with that ok you know then why talk about all the nato bolsheit right obviously that anyway i do kind of want to cover his discussion with destiny on the provoke because i i

i saw

i didn't see it but i saw some of it

live actually

last night

and he said some interesting stuff

he was like

he said stuff that i vaguely agree with he was like

you know i don't

he's like i look at america and i look at these coastal elites and he actually was clear is like this is not an anti semitic dog whistle

as i know a lot of them are anglo so it's not an anti semitic dog whistle

and he's like

and they're completely out of touch with people who are like me like my family we're from chicago

generations living in chicago

i think that's a working class perspective correct me if i'm wrong right

i didn't hear him say anything really

horrible

but i didn't listen to that much of it

be

to be fair

and security in the black sea doesn't really matter if they have access the black sea not gettingo the mediterranean through fucky turkey anyway right where there also like nuclear missiles i was very surprised because based on what i've been told about him in the way he was

talking in that discussion i only saw like five ten minutes of it

yeah he doesn't

he doesn't seem like you know this this nazi guy or whateverone saying you know

like it seems like all of the nato shit is just like a smokes screen anyway you know but it's

no but it's not then it's not that's exactly the point is

f you know you're saying like oh well ukraine would just be abuffer state it's like yeah exactly ukraine should no maybe makes it a pro western color was to us on that stream what do you mean to us like slurs

yes

yes it should because the worst case scenario of ukraine being a buffer state is that russia will influence it

you know who cares yes people of ukraine obviously the ok powerful states influence weaker states this is how states behave o

oh

did anyone else oh when they read super chats

did anyone else react to it

t

destiny

and that is is not ho all theay behave that said the word

a true that's that is how great powers behave why don't we invade mexico ited states doesn't do this no i don't need

oh god

we absolutely

it's

it's like

the sensors did the the fox

the only word id ever been

i it was up to me is the nd word i'm not even gkedting

the only word i would ever ban is the n word

are you seriously arguing that the united states doesn't influence western hemisphere countries in luis is way different than right now

destiny said the f word there too

you can do that

and he doesn't get banned on twitch

you're allowed to do that

if you're not on twitch i mean if you're not on twitch

no way so if you found it so if i'm

so if there is a

so you won't get in trouble for off platform slurs

no fucking way

n we have drug issues with the cartel issues that exist on our southern border if we wanted to do we could buy just liked to makll and i don't thgain we're taking the realist perspective if a country like mexico existed on russian borders do you think that russian would say depends on how far and wide the clip travels

so if a clip of him saying the f word goes viral he gets banned

that you're saying

yeah we understand a lot in the protected class

illegal immigrants coming here yeah we know a lot of it rando hortels but you know we're going to respect your summity we're let you guys areet you think that russia would take the same position towards mexico as united would have been band years ago

no no the nend word manifesto he wasn't saying it in the end word manifesto

united states would absolutely let me just let me just get this clear

your position is that in an analogous way you know in the sense that russia influences belarus and ukraine you're saying that the united states in that same way does not influence canada next i don't have a stbsolut know western have his country i mean like in south america especially through the cold war yeah you could probably know to i to absolutely not absolutely not

what we recognize and support what you i'm curious like what educate me i don't knowmuch about sothern history what are like breakaway states that the united statess recognized and sent paramilitary groups to in order to defend these states we shipped off tons of u s passworts we shipped off u s citizens in order to to we've done worse we've like outright cood

wholesale countries in latin america

aroughout the entirety of the colderver the phoe youre talking about

aerican i like like where has this happened in south america since the year you one thousand nine hundred one it's comparable to what russia has done in georgia in transenistra in ukraine like where are these things happening i mean listen it be air the u s has not actually is

next

the u s doesn't really show much willingness to want to annex new territories into the union

but that's because the imperialist

deep state doesn't actually care

about the union

they care about

the international system

of financial monopoly capitalism

which they defend

um

with the military

you know

yeah

if you're arguing that there's no western influence in the western hemisphere in argue there's no western thingk i sy i dotn't interrupt me don't i know it se this is what you do this is what you do you not answer my questions but go ahead see this is what you do this is what you do

we're talking about a fundamental assertion here which is how great powers act and the fundamental assertion is you know the united states influences weaker states and then you get to a ll educate me about this you you t s youing i am interrupting i'm ging it's like

in your

if your assertion i don't need to back that up i refused to do it i refused to back it up because it's preposterous to suggest that the united states

does not influence weaker states i never sad dos i never saw elsewhere in the world

absolutely they do you know yeah how about in colombia were they back to coup there how about how about in countries i mean we have guantanamo bay in cuba against the interests of the cubans

the idea that the united states is not influenced states and we bully them in the t p p we bully them in all we abandon the t v because of our own citizens

and

do destiny think

american imperialism acts on behalf of the interests of americans living here

because it fucking doesn't

holy shit

that's why doesn't isn't know what the fucky's talking about he was like nick i thought you're america first so you support american imperialism no because american imperialism

is based on the fucking establishment in the ruling class and doesn't fucking have anything to do with the people actually living here

a fog

like when you aanre

of course we influence do you think the existence of guantanamo or that way wait were vent pn from having a military we station our troops in south korea we influence saudi arabia all the time we influence

all you know in western western europe all day long

and so that's where you're sort of living in on reality is where you say

russias you

destiny's a dumb ass

america influences lebanon what the fought

the lebanese government is a puppet of the americans everyone fucking knows that

they've kissed america's ass

that's in lebanon what the fuck you don't think america has control around the fuck and world

they do

the only country that behaves in this way russia cannot have a

and i think maybe this is the crux of the disagreement as you think that

you know for russia to have a shere of influence over ukraine you mean you literally say well that we must do anything short of war to purt to stop this russian incursion

you know nato membership must be on the table all to prevent what russia having a reasonable sll to prevent what we're talking about today do you think what japan you think that japanese and south korean citizens want the united states to leave in the same way that ukrainian citizens want russia to leave today do you think that's an allble yet the jalis yeah absolutely and but in ukraine but even in ukraine

half the population do you think the japanese who are begging for greater military presence when north korea is o crazy shit when

the japanese compredour ruling class government

china is sailing ships through the re you think

you willingly certainly it is just as contentious in japan as it is in ukraine are you going to i mean the people in fourteen that wanted to join nato wasn't even a majority it was a plurality not a majority a plurality of people so it wasn't even more than fifty percent of ukraine you act like

oh it's this hostile thing it wasn't hostile and by the way

when youan ako which accepted the russian deal as opposed to eu deal you could say oh well they were going to be embargo no

they could not replace russian trade their dependent on russian trade

eah ts look at what you're talking about are ways that russia influences a state but look and by the way half the ukrainian population

supports russia yanukovych was the most trusted politician in twoentusand and ten and he was democratically elected and international monitors said

you know this was a model for a democratic and one election not in not earlier ony ten w he he was yes so

well you laugh at that but the point is to say you're creating this

false you know you'rekraining a completely distorted reality where oh well ukraine doesn't want russian influencea japan wants american influence

we debate him on race

ey

i w'll debate anyone on anything

ok

but

yeah i would debate anyone on anything

pretty much

but i think a discussion would be more productive to be honest

it's like well the picture' is more complicated than this

it's about how states behave

and you know ukraine some people in ukraine want russia some people in ukraine want the west

russia influences ukraine

as as is how states behave you could just discuss the movi be pointless ok

gree you know that's not normat if that's not right but ukraine was a part of russia for hundreds of years

ukraine was governed by russia for the past hundred years even when it was administratively autonomous

and

you know for russian atmosphere of influence

this is what the united states must tolerate for peace and tonh with russia in the same way that nobody challenges america's influence in the western hemisphere or in western europe or elsewhere in the world you know in these other countries i mean that's just

but you know if you're going to disagree with that i mean you're just living in cany i mean i try to compare russia's activities ukraine with the soft power that america access over the world right now there's a reason why you're trying to say like well south korean and japan they feel the same way right like like i ask you to show me that in japan you ca show me a few protests in osaka because of dumb marines on base orever like the reality is is that we know that military presence of the united states there is welcome far more than ukrainians are welcoming military presence from russia into ukraine like i hate to use this word but itself

elf evident right and to pretend that realism versus say like constructivism is a better way to analyze how powers in the world work when we look at how i've heard three segments on its border and we contrast that how russia treats members on its border it obviously just it's it's not a good way to analyze how countries behave right russia has as a constructivist would say an iterative pattern of behavior with countries on its border it's continue to act in such a way and to say that russia's hypothetical security concerns thirty years in the future justify the shelling of ukrainian cities today the destruction

ukrainian cities the murdering and the killing of ukrainian civilians that all of that is ok because russia must have a spheit of influence when i ask why it's because well so that nato doesn't invade and why anden i ask why it's well because then russia would't be able to invade i guess if we want to use a descriptive form of analysis we can but morally normatively what's right i absolutely don't think that we should accept that a country like ukraine has to cut itself to russian become a vassal state just because of some hypothetical security concerns that russia has because it can't play nice with the rest of the world

but thein we're kind of like looping back and forth you know what i no no no i think i know i think this is the crux of it i really believe this is the crux of it because what underlies your whole world view is this this benign hedge of my narrative you know you can call it constructivism you can call whatever you want but its this idea that you know what america exercises soft power like well that's ok

and they want it and want america exercises our power well you know it's justified or something when russia does it well you know it's evil and they can't do it and this is you know youins cucking themselves it's like this is how great powers behave and let's take a look at nato

you know you say nato's never been aggressive towards russia nato's been aggressive towards other states

you know

you know this i don't even have to say it's as you say self evident

united states invaded afghanistan the united states invaded iraq they said therere weapons of mass destruction there weren't

why did the united states invade iraq well some would say well invaded a foreign state they genocide of the population they sawt a weapon of mass destruction etc etcetera

you could say that they invaded iraq because saddam hussein was a rogu act

you know they found the anthrax was me as they were not harboring al qaeda they didn't have the w

we invaded iraq in two thousand and eleven

nato

di regime change in libya because they said the elections weren't free and fair enough

among other reasons but what were the other reasons among torturing and imprisoning political prisoners among using kind ofs against national sovereignty that a well there are some levels of national sovereignty that i guess you just don't accept when you say a way is to exercise a sasationverigny ok wait wait this national sovereignty absolute or is a conditional it's obviously conditional on things like the geneva conventionalor international agreements or but also notice everything you said where has nato exitted its power against none of the countries that you mentioned were nuclear power doesn't matter in you

we're aling about how great states actre and

yeah what

you normativity in your that that's the opposite normer of it's descriptivey but regardless if we were to ignore if we were to say that nato should no longer expand ass like a wikipedia scholar

he's the scholar of wikipedia

ok that we're not going to do that anymore

everything he's ever

believed

or learned about the world is from wikipedia i'm not even kidding

what is the next stage the next stage is every single non aligned state in the world iss he ever read a book in his life

best thing destiny has ever read a book in his life

nlear weapons is that the future that we want the whole point of things like the budapest memorandum was we need less states to have nuclear weapons because the more people to have them the more fucky things kind of get so do we just say now that like ok well every non aligned state in you know in south eastern europe or in the middle east or in africa or in south america everybody just start getting nukes because hey if you' got em even if we tell you to get rid of them

andin a base

i think venezuela should have nukes i think cuba should have nukes i think iran should have nukes

ya it's kind of based

and a base

them and we won't hurt you like we do the goods memorandum we're still going to hurt you right i don't think that's a stable future i think that that security situation is bad for everybody russia concluded

well i'll address that a secon but i think that's a bit of a pivot if you'll forgive me because i want to hear i want to explore this little

because the crux of your argument is well russia violated ukraine sovereignty which is an unforgivable sin but you just said

the natoes

intervention in libya was justified because national sovereignty is conditional so which is it is sovereignty conditional or is it absolute

i don't think that sovereignty is necessarily absolute if it was the case that like ukraine was gassing its own citizens or committing wrrible war crimes i mean there are forums that you can go through to exercise power against people that do that you've got the united nations you've got nato there like their organization can do that

but who decides who decides just said the united nations or nato in the united ed nations nato decides

that's very interesting isn't it so so and the nato alliance which is forg counter russia that they can decide when sovereignty is suspended or not

russia you know when russia says we're going to be ukraine for our vital strategic interest that's not a good enough reason not it is not sovereignty is their tight oh libya tortured some people

bucks

ok i think i think at this point right here

this guy got destroyed

right here like there's

i wanna see how he's going to worm his way out

sovereignty we can intervene we can do whatever oh saddam hussein is doing some some walky stop we can in libya is o libya is your worst example ok because sometimes nato goes in at least without sometimes you'll go without you resolution libya was so fucked that russia and china abstain from the vot they're part the security council they

you a resolution to go into libya that's how fuck to gadhafi was no it wasn't because they thought gaddhafi was fuck

it was because in two thousand and eleven

russia and china were very very cautious about making overt

moves against

the united states and uh

and against euroe

at that time

that's literally it

they were not that they weren't actually that hostile right

the two thousand and eighthing in georgia was a big example

of you know the russian menace rearing its head again

russia wasn't president when russia

putin wasn't president when russeb saym

actually yeah fuck that was also when metvedev was president

and medvedev was like seen as a pro western liberal

yeah they wanted more access to european gas markets and and libya was a competitor there's a lot of reasons right it was not because they were like oh my god gadhafi was so folked up that even russia and china say

no that has nothing to do with why they abstained

literally nothing

you want to use it examt point n know that is exactly the point it was someing even even they wt to say the point you say might ak knowledge sovereignty is conditional if it's conditional of course it's conditional but what is as about the terms butk sure it is about

yeat deson he got fucked here i'm sorry he got really fucked up here

but the terms but the terms can't be that russia is worried about a future hypothetical what that's why i'm not just screaming again over and over again

i'll get to that i'm not streting at you over and over and over again that ukraina sovereignty and that's the only reason why they should be evaded right so ex when their human rights violations and except they don't decide you don't have any

russia doesn't have justification for invading ukraine the future hypothetical threats to russian sovereignty can't be used as an invasion to another sovereign country that's not in violation of any uun resids not abu because it because it just doesn't because that could be used to justify the invasion of almost any state in the world by any gat powre no not russia because russia it actually can't

so let's say russia just decided to invade

let's say russia just

fucking randomly woke up one day and was like you know what

we're going to invade

portugal

and russia just fucking invaded portugal

right

you can't just do any you cant inbate any you have to have a justification pretty reasonable one

and russia has laid out it's pretty reasonable

and just

explanation for why this is happened and the consensus among the real international community is that nato's expansion is what causes conflict

wouldn't say mexico is going to deploy serviace to service missile a gon hit us in five minutes and n like a nato base in the black sea displaces are russian base so it's now sure the united states co places in venezuela allys what you n know it could haveul are to russia's make the u s literally was going to invade venezuela

multiple times

thing applies to exactly tw countries to the united what the united states could invade cuba right now if they wanted to using that are yeah yes and they would but we don't but we don't so you're reali

why don't we because there's been a precedent established

there's two reasons we won't invade cub with the first one is the president established with the u s

which despite the u s sars dissolution

as

guess persisted because of the inertia right in the president was basical like if you invade cuba there's going to be a nuclear war

so the u s has kind of adjusted its policy toward cuba

aor on not invading the second thing is that an invasion

would create a lot of political economic

a and social turmoil would lead to a refugee crisis the cubans would resist it by force of arms

you know it would be like another iraq or afghanistan

right and i

but the actual neoconservative agenda was more or less that

venezuela cuba iran libya

were all and north korea were all on the chopping block it was just a matter of time the whole axis of evil

was going to be ofv invaded eventually but it's just a matter of time

that was more or less the new conservative doctrine

and all these traces of twentieth century totalitarianism

will be removed by force of arms

and that was actually the official doctrine of the uus state department

for a while

the failure of the iraq war has basically turned that around

right

so it's not true right it's not it's not actually true that uh

the us

was never going to have any intention to to

abstain from invading cuba

the reason the u s won't invade cuba

is

primarily because of the problems that invasion would create for the u s not because

it's doing so out of some respect for international law or benevolence

they fail the bay the banks they go bay of banks they ca bay gitimately did it that's why the picx

yeah

failed

right the right the united states did not successfully if you do because they were

open it but they that's literally true

because they were incompetent the united states failed an invasion in cuba because

yes literally yes that's literally history destiny we tried to invade them in the bay of pigs and fucking failed really bad

l is are you lat to say oh they didn't made if russia fails in this ukraine war are you going to say oh well that did that just didn't happen because if the united states played by russia's rules we would invade cuba now we i think one i ba is n because there wet usch a defensive alliance in cuba and there's no surface wait hold on so that doesn't matter from youre really not talking about aclear rearmament that doesn't they were we wouldt made that does we did that may and we alsod to do no war over that does that he

i didn't even see this part of the debate yet de city got fucking wrecked here what the this is humiliating

mm

is like he's like fucking stomping on destiny's already flabby wasted corpse

fucking group

he's just fucking basically just totly shit

it's like an ecstasy of victory

that doesn't that doesn't fit your real reerspective nick whether or not cuba has those arms i would just repeat back to you that strong nations seek to exert their influence over weak nations cuba is a weak nation next to the united states why don't we just invade them and take them over

we have an embargo on cuba that's last tu this day

we're not exercising our influence over cuba yes we fucking are

through literally every means available and the reason we won't fucking invade them

is because it'll be a costly what's another costly war of occupation

s going to not be popular back home and we don't have the popular support for it

yeah that's why

that's what russia would do

because they are not putting surface to surface missiles there there's not a defensible ire re cubs pacify because to already passi we have no reason to invade cuba right now that's why and i'm emphasizing right now

now you already admitted to meses no no you already admitted to me even if nato was off the table

russia would still seek to exert influence over ukraine and might even

yeah they would

but

that does not mean they would invade ukraine

so the u s still tries to exercise influence over cuba

internally

without necessarily directly invading it and i'm sure it would be the same in the case of russia ukraine soft power

using whatever means available to support pro russian elements within ukraine and

you know

give them support and whatever i mean that's how it's going to work it's not going to be through fucking hard power

still take over a basketball the ys might still but know they wouldn't

they wouldn't

ok russia

took over crimea because of the twenty fourteen coup

at no other point in the history of ukraine after the dissolution of the u s asar

did russia ever

express any intention to take any part of ukraine

you might be taking crimea right

and the same way that we in that we by the way

the reason for it taking crimea

was because of the realities of the people living there

who were historically close to russia a status quo emerged after the dissolution of the usaar

where the people of eastern ukraine and russia maintained

on a level of proximity trade cross border movement

et cetera et cetera

which you know

represented a closeness to russia and the people of crimea

that's why in the eastern portions of ukraine yanukoviych gets like what

ninety eight percent of the fucking vote

right

so that when that status quo was upset with a new coup

that's where you're going to see russia coming in and taking over crimea

not because you know cynicism

that's cuba that's not the same way we don't send militaries down there to take over ports in cuba we don't not now you're just trying to confuse here which is it i mean we're talking about russia influencing ukraine absent the military

we don't take over ports and t what about guantanamo bay

plus the context of

russia taking crimea

again is because of the twenty fourteen coup

and again what destiny doesn't see this is what destiny really doesn't understand actually has a lot to do with the nature of the american state itself

so america is not a civilizational state

a civilizational state

reflects the realities of the people living there right

so when you have people even across the border of your state your policies and your actions are going to reflect

the level of closeness between your peoples between your cultures

and your heritage and your tradition

and your language and so on and so on

america is more like a kind of um

ah

how do i put this in like simplistic non intellectual terms

america is more like a

a uh

what's the word i'm looking for

a hard boundaries type of state

what i mean by that is that

the american state begins and ends

with the form of statehood

established and enshrined

formally by the constitution and by

the various branches of government and the various protocols of statehood and government yeah it's more like a business or a corporation it's like

it's just this very cut and clear

this is the american state it's the constitution

that's it

it it there's no actual like geopolitical element of like

reflecting the realities of the people living there in terms of their heritage and their language and

so the u s decisions toward cuba are not going to be that different from american decisions

bord timbuckto in africa right

america treats all states outside of america pretty much the same because they're not america

right

whereas russia is obviously going to treat ukraine differently than it treats mali or differently than it treats

you know a latin american country because ukraine has a historical

a close it's a historical geographic cultural etc etcea

those things are very important for the russian state

whereas they're a non factor when it comes to american statehood

so cuba's culture cuba's heritage and cuba's history

means fuck all to us right

the only thing that matters as far as we're concerned in the western hemisphere

is our ability to extract resources

and

economic resources in particular and you know like banana

plantations or whatever the fuck and the we that's how we look at it we don't look at it in terms of the

you know the historical closeness between the american people's and

you know we don't they we don't even recognize that right

because we are an abstract universal liberal state we don't recognize

history culture or tradition or ethnos or any of those kinds of things right

well russia is not like that russia's a eurasian civilizational state

wh

and now you know i'm saying well they influence you but you're s the're not avoting it's like ok well russia didn' invade until the defensive alliance was on the table and defensi of ali dit craiz it if i was in a de with destiny and i explain that

he would have been like you're just mumbling and rambling you what you said didn't mean anything

did you guys

hear anything i said

like di would did what i say make sense to you

u s foreign policy is not defined by taking into account

the realities of the people

right

s on the table until crimea was taken over because nato membership was on the table after the may got hello and they don't give a fulky hard boring i want to yell more

this is rambling

he would have like cut me off and not letting even me finish this point

thirteen countries join nato in ten years

so you know like once again this argument falls apart because it rests on all these like just convoluted assumptions like not security guarantee

like russia can count on our good faith the united states doesn't influence weaker states the know western hemisphere isn't secured by the monroe doctrine like if cuba became a part of a russian defense allies we wouldn't do anything but i mean that these are all just a series of i self evidently ridiculous conclusions and it's like youll my knowledge you have also the historical closeness between the russian ukrain people isn't just historical it's not just

because of the past

it is because of like the concurrent economic interdependence between them which is a very important factor

that's not something you see in the case of cuba

you actually have to have a materialist analysis

cuba when i was under the battista dictatorship

well the extent of its economic

closeness between the peoples of cuba and the united states

was the casinos and crime families of the united states that would go to cuba and it have go to havana and basically be like

a place of sin and vice and crime and then the rest of peripheral cuba

you know it had fuck all they were living subsistence and they got there was no like actual civilizational economic relationship

between peoples there right

the moral standard that russians judged by is out here and the moral standard that

the united states judge down is down here we can invade we can influence we can do whatever us a big deal we decide what sovereignty is

russia mad a sovereign nation hitler hitler his' revent never sid that i'm not saying that all the way we were having a conversation whre was from i be an obvius hyper you seen f k r z left russia

unfortunately there are a lot of russians who are like

very ashamed of being russian

not because of their moral conscience or whatever but because their being shamed for being russian

by western

um

western social media and culture

so these are these russians are so westernized

that they would rather be accepted

by the western internet

then

embrace the heritage of their family and their forefathers and their forefathers and so on and so on proboing a little bit of rhetorical device come on i would havet that i would have been the one callingther in the argument got wor going there you got to work on your native cuba

way we america would crush your native cuba

you know what would the cuban people think if the americans crushed your native cuba for trying to join a defensive alliance with russia you know they would do it you know the council on foreign relations to crush your native country cuba for

he's right abut mey much nrighti of countriyes the united states i was born in braska ok cut so regdless i guess just to the center closinge so your position is that

the russian today the current russian invasion of ukraine is justified and russia has carte blanche to do whatever they

you then america is my native country too but destiny always treats me like i'm the ambassador of russia

i need to bring that nick always treats me as a russian ambassador

to he fighting on behalf of russia's interests

doo

because of hypothetical security threats in the future that may exist if ukraine joins nato

well no we're not talking about carte blanche

were twelve so would you like todemn them for what's going on in like mariopol today or in any of the

living in russia vers austin

i would' way way live in russia before i live in fuck in austin texas

holy shit

i would definitely be living in fucking russia before i live in austin fuking texas are you kidding

that

oks you know you don't believe anyve it's a real there's like repording there's photo you think all of it it was reporting hey what happened to that nuclear power plant that was you remember when you said that two weeks ago s theretaking a toclear power plant to turn out those total bullshit th was total sh we like were media lie so so just to be clear what's on the tabre not so mariople is not cut off from like electricity water food not cut off fro humanitarian aid with hunds of thousands you don't think any of that is it's a war this is the conduct of war sure so they have carte blanche to sheve the city to bomb theaters to bomb hospital

whatever that's what they did in aleppo no but they did he mention the theater

he mentioned a funcking theare

holy fuck and shit

he mentioned the theatre which was already debunked

holy fox

literally he only has lies

did in aleppo every single hospital in every single episake occupied area was bomb so those people had nowhere to go except back to assad that's this is russian strategy want to w a blank chack you're saying it's not a blank check what they did in grossing not is real destroyed by any other city in the world because they were frustraed

let's look ut grosney right now

all right so this is the most destroyed city in the entire world

ok

i don't think it is

in they pretty much rebuilt it but

traded that their military was advanced vess we're seeing the same thing happen today you such such a sadv sy i mean you lose ot the pting i'm wting on the on the actual i'm just asking you i

like they have the right to go in and conduct war and destroy as much of ukraine as they need to to bring them to heel because of potential hypothetical security threats if they wanted to destroy as much of ukraine as they needed to the war would look very different than it does right now

and you know that but it

you know another important part of this

conversation is that it is not just because of the security threats

that's a factor

which was taken into account

what

it is also

because of the war in the dawn bass it's very important undertand this war did not start with russa's intervention

the dawn bass was still getting shelled every single fuckin day

before rush's intervention

just throwing that out there it's very important to understand that context

russia didn't begin the war

it's taken a different term a darker term

it was because after recognizing the donyetskin lugank's republics

ukraine was continuing to shell these newly sovereign territories

which it didn't have to

so destiny's actually wrong it's not just because russia's defending its security interests that it's going to go in and invade

it's also defending the donyatsk inugan's republics

while they were being attacked

and they gave you grain the opportunity to not attack

it it's a limited military engagement

look a battle of grosney not grosny

i know the battle of grosny was pretty fuck and brutal but he said it's the most destroyed city in the world

not

was the most destroyed city in the world

and as far as minute to wits there b is limited the they're not attacking poland they're not attacking the baltics re not wait leging they're not gain nottue why we come do rut you need interrupt because i tell it go here conducting a war

it's a war that's n you know this

and yes i support the war absolutely i support

the president the newszar vladimir putin i support russia

z absolutely i support what's going on and i think that it's defensible i think that

this is the most reasonable european war

that has happened in the past hundred years i think this is a most reasonable war in the twenty first century

absolutely i think

and to give you a comparison

i think this is more justifiable than the american war in iraq

i think this is more justifiable than the nato intervention of libya i think it's more justifiable than the american war in afghanistan frankly i think this is this is a

completely reasonable conflict and you know the argument seems to be like a war is always wrong and like national sovereignty is the sacred thing except for when it isn't except for when war is justified except for when sovereignty is conditional it's just that

you did you arbitrarily decide the terms based on

they're not a internationall or it's not way the wllk the western world system right i mean when you talk about oh their international norms or something you know invading iraq wasn't based on international norms of the world opposed that france didn't even support ok international france didn't even support the war in iraq but the united states pursued it interlat and how more people died in iraq then have died in ukraine so

true

so far with the fug

more people have died

from the eighth year war in the in the eastern ukraine still

this season

well

i

ears and you know there wasn't this boycott there was an iceand with fucking iraq you know nobody talked about saddam hussein sovereignty is i mean just give it a rest i mean this

america's a global hygenmon we project our globally soft in ourd power russia is a second rate

you know regional power and their adjurining influence in their region

ukraine is not a part in aato you know there's no defensive alliance yet

think it's reasonable i think it's totally reasonable based on the things i laid out between the missiles between you know nato being a counter russian alliance nato o spending russia like telve touan you know more than i don't know the math right that actually the people's party

i have know more than ten to one one pointless party became so based recently with nick braana he purged all the libs

and

he said we're a populist party no more fucking libs

that's what he said

two trillion to sixty five billion

yeah russia has a right to be concerned about about all these things of confidence and mutually sure destruction

the

feeder support missiles becoming part of the u s military doctrine nato base in crimea

has right to be concerned so limited engagement you know and i'm glad that this argument wasn't about russia rebuilding the empire because it's not happening you don't notice how bickly the go you know it started out with like russia's rebuilding a collapsed empire to like

well russia doesn nothing to worry about the a b m shills rebuil russias not you know oh i thek iraq's totally legit you knowvating libya its international conventions you know bee it's would be preposterous to suggest anything like what the nato western media suggests which is that russia's rebuilding an empire we know they can't do that we know they don't have the capability

it he's been a power for twenty two years and what does he have

nkazia southastia do bass crimeas peanuts

you know he lost kazaksto he lost ukraine he lost all these countries and people go caz al sa don bass he lost all of central asia

and they've got a mill and they spent sixty seven billion we spent eight hundred twenty and we go there the empire they're the empire they're the wy they are the aggressors they're the military hots

you know this ust it's like insane since i don't understand it destiny stephen help me understand this yah i mean i don't know who half your points are even addressing at this point you haven't really demonstrated that there is a legitimate security concern by russia with ukraine you've admitted yourself might if you didn't join nato they still might have the from the realist perspective good enough reason to invade ukraine take over crimea take over as much of carins they want because that's just what big nations do and if that is going to be the argument you use then by god just like we've done with every other former warsaw

a state or a lot of them and just like we've done with other e european countries you know what shoul just draft ukraine into nato then just for of no other reason to ensure ukraine'svereignty this idea that nato is an empire just like russia that the united states had you want to just like russia i mean the difference is and we've seen this clearly is that at least people want to join the united states geany as opposed to as opposed to russia that has to force itself with shelling civilian cities and invading places and cutting up oil if you don't agree with them and trying to poison your elected officials with uranium and whatever other

a crazy shit russia has to do to countries around it i don't think that the pressure that nato exits on other countries to join them when that pressure is will protect you from russia that will actually invade you would destroy you i don't think that's legitimately at all comparable to the type of pressure that russia exerits on other nations around it and i certainly don't think that the realistic what kind of pressure this what exactly you talking about

analysis see destiny you're making it seem like this is between two sovereign states and that's it and that's the end of the story

when in reality this is between states

who are inheriting the aftermath of the u s ssar's collapse

as and all of the ethnic tensions and instabilities that came with that

right

it is not a stable process

russia just wants to control countries is a good enough reason to allow russia to invade any country they want

but well yeah i mean

think that's really the debate is like they want but they want freedom

the iraqis want freedom they america of the world wants no one is saying that no one to use that argument world why iraqi people didn't vote for the united states to come to that country wre i'm curious do you think i me know w do you think i would defend the war in iraq are you ar gouing as a stromer no ase you know i think that's thee's a harroway from defending the war in iraq

he's already defended nato's intervention in libya

which ykes

i don't e think just

see destiny got so buthurd by hassan he's just becoming a new okonna

is that the world wants american aemany

i'm saying that ukraine and members states that joined nato were begging to get into nato initially whattven absolutely they were and look at what's happening you know what ukraine in ukraine not until they took over crimea that's when public opinion shifted when it was on the table for them to seriously join and you know what when you've got a superpower that decides to take over a huge peninsula in your country and the decide start fen funding separatist civil wars and hese were your country would you agree about these happen yes that's when that's not only did opinion

shift but also you have to keep in mindic logic i love how the bar for intervention in meddling is funding

it's a buck of the us fund around the world

right most of the opposition to nato came from crimea so of course when you capture that part and then you recognize breakaway states in the east that are all like majority like comprussians in ukraine russianso i mean no shit they're going to be massively pro nato when russia starts invading the places that are the most opposed to it and then iws like have to distort the fact

okay

what's your point

i mean i'm not just starting anytct well i you say are you saying that the plurality probably became majority because

eastern ukraine

left ukraine what's your point

in the eastern ukraine was more probams you're saying you say

well the differences to the world beckons for you know because you said america is not a hedgem on like russia i nver s differ i said that you joining nato i said i said literally joining nato is not the same as russia earliering let me explain earlier i said well america is not a hede m on like russia the difference is that this is like an exact what you said

they're not a head of m like russia u because

the difference is that these states want americas that they're begging for nato

but they weren't begging for nato

since two thousand and eight in two thousand and eight that's when the conversation starts

and germany and france oppose it erman by they're only given the member sate membership a a path to member they wan to given of course yes but germany and france they agree with me germany and france and no wait say this is too aggressive i did for the same reason they said this is going to provoke russia is going to cause a crisis on the continent

and so all they can save as you say if you arrest is what we recognize your aspirations

in two thousand and eight ukraines notp begging to join nto but they're acknowledging their aspirations in twenty ten

yanako which is elected

it moved forward in spite of this in twenty fourteen it's not election it's a coup

it's a coop

which is not supported by the majority of the population how do lory what the leave the opposition

it absolutely was

really

wen yanakovich kets

like ninety eight percent in eastern ukraine

really

the leader was the one that rose to power afterwards always

what does that have to do with the majority of people supporting the coup

with a farck

akobch ran from the country it was because he ordered to

the opposition was not the majority of the country yet fifty two percent were against themidan

to shoot at his hand on so you now you're interrupting because you

the majority of ukrainian people did not

support nato membership you know the weord in twenty four do iran iraq no i'm agreeing with you not all crimea was removed ok was where your most anti nato population noting up so in fourteen

they're not begging for it not even a majority supports it and when the not even a majority supports made not not even a majority ukrainian support made not

nevertheless

a pro western leader is installed

and they all what i mean told

he was the opposition ware he was the next guy that was coming oup what you mean

g

he was

hand picked

by victoria newwod

you didn't do comm fro no happens yet

kate there's a fine balance between

coming from nowhere

ah and invented by the u s and

the us deciding to put their weight behind an already established

politician and figure

destiny does not he argues like a fucking idiot

you know there's a fine line between those two things

i should say there's a fine line between him coming from nowhere

and just being

totally planted by the u s

and him being an authentic

leader of the ukrainian people there's also the middle path which is that

he was an established politician with historical backing by the united states and also preference

by the united states

also for that reason right it's not oh it's it is a fine line between those two extremes

ok it's a coup destiny it's not it's like somebody ran on a platform of let's joy nato they overthrew the government

well i mean go through he fled the country after he did because he was worried that he was going be tried for fucking down crimes w his causes

when he was

when there was assassinations attempts against him

is it democratic to have a coup to have a violent revolution you s democratic when part of the reasons why it was prett so heavily because he literally tried to pass like ten anti protest laws that's not democratic either

the protests were literally

burning kev to the fucking ground

is that democratic

destiny

when you overthrow the government years when the government makes it legal to protest and starts killing protesters that's not pretty democratic wre so what are our standards now so what are standards if some people don't like something the government does then elections now democracy is when the people overthrow the government because the government passed anti protest

so which is it is it about what the night i don't know what about some likeor all these things conditional its eally isitional of course everything is conditional like why you acting like destiny are you saying that committing crimes againstlinskiyh he banned all opposition parties and he also bann

all opposition media

humanity will forfeit your sovereigty of course protesters a littlely trap people in buildings and burn people alive that's democracy dude

course would rat like it somehund is unraveling at all right now here it is like you here's why ok illan i tell me why because you're the crux of your argument you say like well

you know when the uus exerts influence on ukraine

that's ok there was no gret youo my is not a u s driven protest

yes if king was what

ok but the point we're not talking about my don right now we're talking about nato membership

we were just talking about my don and destiny why did victoria newland say fuck the e u

why did she say fuck the e u

what was the meaning of that

why did she say bought the e

and the coup no we're going we're going back ok let's go back to i meerd you said the difference between american and russian power is that

the ukrainian people want american power the russian people do not you said america a geminyll have a geminy and

because the ukrainian people consent to it they want it they don't want russia

but

the conversation about nto membership begins in a wait when that is not the majority position

and they don't join because they don't want to ok hang on hang on let's hang on yeah

and in twoentusy and fourteen it's still not the majority position and they still don't join because they don't want go oning o m jump in the guner because you know what's coming you know it's what's coming you know it's coming

with their minds change when russia f they're like ok we change our mind now we want to join data is thatsppos to be surprising so sad for you're so overh i'm losing my right t tell me yeh you are you are

because you know you said they're begging for it they're begging for it they're not begging for it nato is moving across eastern europe and they're not begging for it the majority doesn't support it the're talking about in no way you know wait

they're saying they're going to make ukraine a nato member state and the majority don't support it you can't s you' talking aboutingu why doeep interrupting we can you acknowledge you can just make like you can't make somebody even complete you can' just make them in they consent join right nows been good the whole time when they say they they ack knowowledge the aspirations of ukraine i mean they're saying they have designs

on you i mean ukraine has to consent to join right ok so in two thousand and eight if the majority don't support why is the united states against the wishes of germany and france talking about ukraine being you to i'm saying in ukraine you don't know in two thousand and eight two thousand and eight why is the united states saying we recognize our aspirations if the majority don't support

because they can recognize their aspirations ultimately still has to be proved by every nato member come obviously n i'm ik you know why would they say that they're not begging for it in n wait so why is united states say how is that aightnizight doesn't change the fact nick can ukraine will ukraine join nato against ukraine's will

no who is ukraine

ok will ukraine be taken over by russia against ukraine's will

who what's ukraine's will the will of the ukrainian people yes

yes ukraine could join nato at the expense of the will of the ukrainian people why not

no that's the difference yes of course and it come we know then why is there a war right now what we fighting over what you're arguing is that

there is a principle moral difference a normative difference in how the united states exercises influence between as compared to russia but this is not the case

because in two thato israely and by the way and you yourself sad

united states was pushing more strongly about ukrainian nato membership they watered down what they said a youucharst in two thousand and eight at the best of the germans of the french

they wanred it down to say for nato to say

we recognize aspirations they were betting for in two thousand and eight but yet this was a conversation that was a diluted proposition was wecognize the operations

and then in twenty fourteen

the government is overthrown

by a coup a coup that is not in twenty fourteen

the majority does not support ao membership and in twenty fourteen the majority does not support the may don

so

nato i'm sorry nick had this in the bag sorry

your argument rests on this idea on two things

that russia violated sovereignty and ukraine has a right to self determination but both of these things are in doubt now because now you're saying well

the coup it doesn't matter that the coup wasn't a democratic election because well youanak which did an anti democratic thing and even though the coup that wasn't popularly supported by half the population it was an election overthrew him and it's all the pro weestern leader oh well you know it doesn't like matter at all it's like ok so which is it that all of the olectionmation and a sovereignty b here to be completely conditioned i don't know if it's a coup back government a that that creates the crisis in crimea

and it is you know national sovereignty which you say is conditional and apparently determined by nato so you know that's where the argument falls apart here

ok so whata you keep saying that it's a kuback government the government had popular support post revolution or do you was it elected was it was this they held election afterwards who kept winning pro we as not a constitutional process is it so noo now the constitutional process i mean whatre you telling it voted wasn't it voted on by every member of parliament afterwards didn't they take a vote in parliament after yenakoch and then

destiny the people of crimea voted to go with russia people in the donyatskvans regions

in all voted to separate

i actually don't think i don't know if they held a formal vote but you know you get the point if there was they would have right they would have had overwhelming popular support so

did they vote by the way in the

non basch republics i don' don't even remember

they voted for their leaders though yet they did vote for their leaders though in the same way

so it's like that's the same

that's the same argument right

when you have a coup and you vote ok with who can vote who cannot vote what are the boundaries of sovereignty

a constitution defines the boundaries of the sovereign

a constitution defines the boundaries of the sovereign when you circumvent the constitution and throw it in the funcking garbage

then sovereign is going to be defined in a new way in a way that

grounds the basis of constitutional power

to its actual premise

which is

the barrel of a fuckon gun

left

did they not with corse

but not the constitutional process

no there's no constitutional provision for a revolution obviously i mean it would you say that if i january sixth if the republicans overthrew the government and then the congress voted for trump this is a brilliant argument

it's surprising he's even using it

but

yeah this is so brilliant i'm sorry

this is actually a brilliant argument

because it's like

it really mind fog

destiny and his side it's like wait a secain january six was the worst thing ever

it

would you say oh yeah you know check that checks out but yeah that's legitimate of course not if it seemed like the majority of the united states supported it if held an election afterwards and he won the election then yeah i mean probably it seems like i mean like it's

no fuckin way

nick just got destiny to agree that if trump did a coup he would be like yeah that's ok

so can i explain to you guys by the way how this kind of shit works

u

can i explain to you how like

human nature

so if there was a forceful coup

in january sixth

that over

through the government

and was

that was enforced by force

that can actually change the tides of the extent of people's willingness to support or not support when you have force behind you people will respect you more

they may just vote for you right

it's easier to do that it's easier to do that than resist right

so yeah that could easily influence

the situation and get

an election in which the majority douce

vote for trump

right

that's how that kind of shuit works

i i've been seeing that dark maga shit

and i'm wondering if we should take it over

be i feel like

i feel like i started it you know i feel like our aesthetics started that

i feel like that was our aesthetic first and we got hijacked

you know

i feel like that was our aesthetic first you know so we should

take it over

he had the twenty thirty sixth open

mmhmm

oh dark maga's actually hilarious i don't know where it came from but i i saw the hashtag on twitter and

let me show you the ones that are not the o s ok

it's achilary

what the fuck is this does anyone know what this is

what is this who is this

who is this

who is this guy

who is that mario

i don't know where that is

i like dark maga

world

may allo waken the people

batize the world

please youll

hypotize the world

may allo waken the people

and help them to see

the evil doings of israel and the united states

that's for

thank you roxaw appreciate you thank you so much

i forgot we're not even in twoenty and thirty six anymore that's ok we'll get there

not today but we'll get there

we'll get back there

we should have twenty thirty six be like

number

her sobs

because that's just

that's like full time you know

um

i understand dark mog like i get the aesthetics

and

there's too much to aship

this is the best one

yup

this is the best one

o'll shit

for not going to

more apt comparison as you're trying to sound like trump at the very least like m or hatem had massive popularity in the united states right it's not like trump was like an installed leader like its type especially not by you you don't ok i don't know i don't know

right

it sucks that a whole vod yeah whatever that's whatever

that trump did win that after a quoe unquote would you paull trump and installed leader after a coup probably not you would probably be here making well trump has enjoyed wide supportrom the al majority of o is my fault

yeah but you're realist and s my fault

nobody uses you literally nobody cares about realism nobody but nobody uses these argument doesn't matter you a o no it doesn't matter absolutely it as i would bas i don't know if that's true you know i don't even know if that's true because it's just

sten i would say advantage i would say advantage is

was there anything from that

from that that we needed like did we lose anything

in particular

oh the demon mama shit

what

that's it though

oh we lost the dinosaurs

och that was a good ot

is good whatever is good for america harm to channel growth is very bad

is it

aerica is good you would say is a liberal it was such a good vob

i was such a good d

there is an infrared vodz account i think that maybe has it

i funning but you can w accord my shod

that you cannot call it a coup ok when they want when they when they when they formed a temporary government when they had elections later that that's what room it was my fault

it's my fault

here and they allowed all the elections to play out that's exactly what happened and they had it with the support of the parliament and the support of the people the entire time you can try to cry and say it was installed or cia letter whatever but the reality is is that ukraine had like democratic processes working throughout the entire time does it soock that yenkobich left after like having police assassinate peopleeah i guess that does there was something maybe there was

it was a coup so your argument is going something let me just paraphrase your argument so far

america does not influence weaker states

ma don was majory wtchp post my service ok oh ok's a sounds legit to me checks we go to that because now we're that now we're like i don't know if i'm even allowed to talk about that other site here

all i can say is that i was on it

and

it looks very good

i think my constructive

criticism i guess

it needs more like mainstream

right needs ins more met

like imagine if there was a mainstream streaming platform

be it looks mainstream it does look mainstream but imagine if there is a mainstream

type of streaming platform

but

first amendment people were in control

ok that would be crazy

that'd be unbelievable

take up what other people say th so i think we've hit rodyssey odyssey is not big enough and i'm pretty sure

that other one was like

way better

pretty sure

let me check actually odyssey

yeah it's not it's not big enough

even rumble you know

that other one

his way better

an oartesty

but honesty's like youtube right i'm talking about live streaming

botmument talk about it

seems to be the argument you know russia has no legitimate securey

yeah it has a very

yet has very active viewers

thirty by sd you you even admitted that you're in sando they would still a a so it seems like you agree with that as well you know

i know guys this is when this o st the war started

osatio war started this year

n know we ca so we i'm going to look through here this is the year the biggest geopolitical catastrophe started

fall the berlin wall

germany's behaviour is kind of

telling me

that

that wall should go back up andm it say that i'm just kidding joke in my craft

s we have some cusion questions from super chad st that but i guess if you guys want to put like a capstone on each of your

a presentations here first before maybe i go to that that might work too i don't knows if you guys are do you want me to just look for questions i think a closing statement be order

yeah and then i'll do questions after right so you guys can have your you know your presentation

uh down pad uh yeah okay so go ahead uh i think i don't recall h fully but i think it was destiny

that lead to let off right so ok so that would be you leading off here then and no k lead off here i let off with oh no you not i'm not going to give you the final word on the opening statement and the last word you serious

well usually rotate whats we can do we do't times the normative lif

you're invading this debate and ok notting norman al you have a sovereignty in this conversation you have to decide which hedramontic influence is going to presue and ralph sack the deck either way

no

well rout

i j i just thought that was the normative roles kind of you should have the

the close the first on the closing

first b i mean if you really want to close i mean that's i really want to close but he does too so now we have conflict here that you have to resolve around you know what

being first as a privilege and b let him close because he's

banned from everything so let him close

that should be the rule he's banned from everything so let him get the last word

if you if you did listen

if you don't want to get the last foken word you shouldn' have help the platform

and i'm pretty sure he did help the platforman didn't he

class is the privilege usually the person who goes first in the opening goes first in the end

i'm looking ats like calling for it

i don't know i don't remember

i don'the's looking for a u n security council resolution robert's rules robert's rules of order let's go let's check them let's let's check

witing around here somewhere show post e to support ethn rusph war you were he lost in that one debate yeah

stirs you know what i'll go downstairs and get a quarter paint to richmond to me that's so fucked i don't have any point here like you and i did comment on the streets bowl thing

locked up

ok can you guys argue for a couple more seconds whill go to the coin i'll just go first i i mean it's not even appropriate i'll go i hope the ukrainian citizens have the same resiliency that i had so repel the attack

real yeah ok you're willing to see generals have been killed ghost off cubou the ghost of a bang guy

eyes over the sky shooting down streams one oft a time of all the hosstroying my capabilities

i go ahead there ok all right

so in closing i

you know i think that was basically a nice summary enough just at the end there

i don't want to go too long but

the crux of the argument is this the

america's not a benign hedgeimon

america is the world' superpower with nato is a hyperpower still

one point two trillion dollars of military spending more sophisticated capability than anybody caln recognize

and all it takes is to put yourselves in the shoes of the russians and in moscow to understand where russia is coming from

the suspension of the a b m treaty in two thousand and one the suspension of the intermediate nuclear forces treaty in twenty nineteen

these in themselves

are dramatic provocations

the reintroduction of theater support missiles into europe destabilizes the balance of power

and that is of course notwithstanding the largest concern which is the

continued expansion of nato since on nine hundred ninety nine

a nato is an explicitly anti russian alliance it's formed cont to contain russia and principally to contain russian influence and power

after the soviet union dissolved and russia became weaker nato remained and expanded

and now it's expanding on russia's borders compromising its vital strategic interests its naval base

in crimea its black sea fleet

and the territory of ukraine you know what nato membership for ukraine entails is surface to surface missile which can strike russia in five minutes it entails

up

you know a trip wire in ukraine that is right on russia's border it entails nato domination of the black sea and ultimately this is about nato and american domination of its adversaries

and no concession given to its adversaries that they might have legitimate security interest

they might have legitimate interest as powerful

states and all and recognizing that in negotiating with them and working with them towards an equitable security arrangement that's we're talking about here is an equitable and fair security arrangement

destiny has talked about sovereignty which of course we know the united states considers conditional when russian invade ukraine it's a gross violation of sovereignty but when we invade libya iraq and bomb other countries

of course this these exceptions are valid it's called right to protect we can fabricate this out of thin air

we say that ukraine has a right to self determination but it is true that the united states backed the made on revolution it could be disputed but nevertheless we support that government we've given billions of dollars in assistance to that coup government

and we supported that coup governments

aspirations to join nato

om you know so once again self determination appears to be somewhat

conditional

and then what's more more fundamentally about all of this this is a bad outcome this is a bad outcome that nobody wanted how did we arrive here what were the root causes

and the precipitating causes

let's even just be fair and say at the minimum

we have to recognize that the united states has played a role in this to say that it is all russian revanchsm belies the military imbalance which is very real it alllies russia's capabilities in the fact that in twenty two years of rule latimer has not taken over any countries invaded any sovereign countries it was in response to the twoentusy and fourteen crisis and in response to the suggestion that ukraine might go nuclear and enjoin nato that russia invaded ukraine

how did we arrive here we have to look at our own role we have to look at our own role in disrupting the mutually sure destruction

confidence with the a b m in the intermediate nuclear forces treaty whidraw we have to recognize our role

destabilizing other countries around the world with nato aggression we have to recognize a role in expanding nato in a way that russia's repeatedly said makes them uncomfortable and even where they've drawn red lines

and so you know if my victory condition in the debate is merely for people to say theyto't played a part and russia has some valid interest here i'm just at the video

give me a second

i think we cover that i think i want on those grounds the other side has to say that america's benig hadgm on

the world wants american power the world invites american power american power is innocuous

russia has nothing to fear russia has no valid concerns it's just run by a corrupt despate who's only using security concerns as a pretext

for territorial ambition

m i think throughout the debate that was made i think from the outset that was conceded not to be true so

that's my closing statement america' is not bein hagm on is a limited reasonable military engagement certainly more reasonable than things nato has done in this century and i support russia n russia we salute the brave soldiers the moscow's finest asre

inuss they liberate ukraine from the western docks

that's what it was a statement

i will concede the entire debate to nick whether or not america is a benign hedhmununftunately you got the last word

that is not at all what we came here to talk about today i understand that when russia is in the process of invading another country they very much want to center the conversation about russian american relationships or about the sovereigty of united states or the sovereigny of russia what s ack but that's not discussion about it whater russia's invasion into ukraine can be justified wen bring up asny of you talking points we want to peop doing over and over overgain we talk about suspension and i don't fok with this guys say i'm going to be honest

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great performance by nick that was it the easiest

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absolutely steamroll theim

uh and yeah i was

very clear victory

but um

there is something i think

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this part too

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no there's not for all the discussion

is i want the discussion

the q and a ok

we will watch that

we're going to watch that don't worry

but first

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