Trainwrecks is RIGHT about Socialists!

some train wrecks thing this is from

train wrecks

um

i am fucking exhausted i don't think

i've been this

productive for like five years like i'm

talking wake up at six a.m

seven a.m meeting appointment uh

uh uh uh uh another meeting take my car

across town to get it shipped to another

fucking state

i like i just got home like an hour and

a half ago or some shit bro like

i was gonna pass the fuck out but

there's no option for that because my

computer gets shipped out tomorrow

which means i have to stream tonight for

our last stream in texas

for a while at least we'll be back right

we'll be back but i am fucking fried

it's absolutely crazy and to those

couple of you in chat i know some of you

say it debate

good for you but man to some of you guys

it really triggers the fuck out of me

like

you look coked out listen you converge

an anti-social fucking clown

the videos about train wrecks talking

about socialism

you don't know what the coked out looks

like okay

just because your mom comes home with

three different dudes every night to

make a quick dime to feed you

doesn't mean you know what the coked out

means dickhead this does not look coked

out you understand you want an example

of coked out

it's literally xqc every stream every

day that's coked out

this is something like heroined out or

something like that that's what this

is this is percocet this is oxycontin

this is not fucking coked out

so if you're gonna make a fucking drug

reference at least get it the fuck

right you anti-social minecraft 12 year

old

holy f pissing me off i already got me

fucking back

already got me back fucking what first

stream back three days in

shameless bro look cooked out like shit

shameless bro absolutely crazy bro i was

in the shower on a positive note

dude i was in the shower bro listen i

thought of the most genius shit like i

could see

this quote being written down

immortalized

and told or like lived by in like 500

years

if we survive right you ready for this i

thought about this today right

oh my god i was in the shower when i

thought of this i was like holy

i gotta say it you know and copyright

this shit like by saying it live are you

ready

socialism without action

is just another form of capitalism

this is literally true this is literally

true

literally true look at fucking bread

tube

if you want an example of that look at

fucking bread tube

so true think about that

that is some fucking that is some

fucking

gandhi shit think about that you can

question mark that all you want but if

you think about it

it is the most on point thing in the

world bro

i thought around the shower randomly i

was taking a shower i don't know where

it came from i think i was uh

i got dropped off by this guy he like

just moved here from africa

and he was like talking in the car uh he

was my uber driver and

he was talking to me and just kind of

going on about how

he's just you know working uber so we

can save up money so he could fly back

to africa

once the covet stuff ends and you know

just see his family

he got like emotional just like really

like i could just tell just good dude

fuck

great vibes and yeah i asked him how

much the plane ticket was

and you know with like the place he

needs to go on the clearance he needs it

was like sixteen hundred dollars with

like everything

so i just gave him 2k and he just

started crying on the spot

and i was taking a shower and

that just popped in my head right it's

like i'm a capitalist

with like socialist intentions and then

i thought of the opposite right i was

trying to think of what the opposite was

because

at first i couldn't think of what i was

because i i always say i'm a capitalist

right

but realistically like there's no shot

like i can be a capitalist like

there's no way i'm pretty sure my money

out is more than my money in

right i'd be i'd be smacked up the head

by a fucking capitalist right

what the fuck are you doing so i wasn't

i wasn't i was in the shower thinking

about these things

i think that's how it came up i think

that's how it came up it was some shit

like that but i'm telling you if you

think about that right social

socialism without action is just another

form

of capitalism if you think about that

right if you understand that right

because if you just if you just preach

it and you talk about it

you're making money off of it you're

gaining popularity by it like that

yeah i'm gonna comment on this i'm gonna

let him finish though dude this is deep

shit this is literally true

poor and the average right but if you

don't follow through with any action and

give a piece of yourself

give something that kind of follows

through with everything

then it's just another form of

capitalism right it's a business model

and if you think about that really

deeply i think that that's a quote where

if you really understand it i'm telling

this shit's going to be

set in 500 years no fucking cap you can

uh i'm not i'm

kidding so son is a capitalist i

i mean i'm going to keep it a buck 50

mods from now on any time uh

we have like five or six crossover

viewers that try to create drama

um whenever a streamer talks about

anything at all uh just permaband them

like per just get the get them before we

permanent ban you

i'm gonna give you guys a little word of

advice to you uh what's your name crooky

crappy whatever your name is buddy

listen

why not that's the wrong guy oh that was

the wrong guy my bad krookie

i'm saying my bad bro shit my bad

listen guys streamers should be able to

have an opinion

and talk about something that's just

random that comes up from

something entirely different without you

guys having to create some weird fucking

thing

do you understand if that's what you

thought of when i said what i said

then i'd suggest you either talk to a

psychologist

or i'd suggest you maybe petition for

him to get one of those

you know pocket pussy cocks that are

formed after his cock

and you put it on your seat and then and

in order for your computer to turn on

you have to sit on it

let the whole nine inches really can

just loosen up your ass before your

computer turns on but stop doing that

okay i give an opinion stop trying to

fucking bring up weird shit

fucking drama frogs bro on another note

i was uh

going through something like law this is

like another note it's not

okay let me actually respond to what

trainwreck said i think he said it's

some some pretty deep shit

um so i know a lot of us understand that

you know when people say like oh

how can you be a socialist when you have

an iphone and we obviously know that's

wrong

um but i do

think i do think that um

if you're on hassan's level or vosh's

level

or destiny's well destiny's not a

socialist but if you're on that level

can you really be a socialist

and simply not really do anything with

all this

attention and money you're getting i

think it does

come to a point where you do have to

decisively

put not only the money but the attention

that

attention you're getting towards

something real and concrete

now train wrecks use the example of

charity i don't think

but here's where i might disagree with

train wrecks

first of all charity is a beautiful

thing when wash

donated and raised money to uh for the

the palestinian

children's relief fund that was a great

thing excellent you know

he should be applauded for that that was

a great thing you know

um using his platform for a good cause

like that that was a good thing

but um

charity is not the primary form

in which i think you have socialist

action in my view

the action that train wrecks is talking

about

isn't primarily charity

but it's using your money

and your influence and your attention to

build

real political parties and movements

and fulfill real socialist political

ends

and that's what you can really say about

people like hassan and vosh

they've built a huge platform they've

raised a lot of money with which

they could put towards a third party

not a lot of people know this but the

justice democrats

who created aoc and many others

started out from the young turks the

young turks used their money

and their platform and kyle kulinski

to create the justice democrats

are you going to do that if i get big

yes and this is how i'm going to explain

what what do i think is the appropriate

like order of

if you're like out here calling yourself

a socialist or a communist how should

you be using your money

the first thing you need is a simple

reproduction

right you need to be able to subsist

you need to be able to secure the

conditions that allow you to stream in

the first place

so you have to raise money to feed

yourself to clothe yourself

to shelter yourself and

have the time to stream in the first

place

then you need to use the surplus

from that toward expanding your stream

expanding the extent of your viewership

because the goal is to get bigger

eventually you're going to reach a

roadblock

where you will not be able to grow any

bigger

because you've secured your passive uh

media demographic i think hassan's

reached that point i also think boss has

reached that point

at that point all of the surplus money

you're getting

they just it seems like they're just

pocketing that shit and they're using it

for personal reasons

in my view when you get to that point

that's when you should start

putting the money toward real life

politics

so first you fulfill the conditions that

allow you to stream because if you don't

do that you're not going to even be able

to fucking stream

and you're not going to be able to be a

socialist right how will you broadcast

your message as a socialist

if you don't have enough money to

support yourself

how can you continue you're done your

voice is

silenced and you're allowing

other narratives and the mainstream

media and the billionaires to have their

voice

dominate you know that's why i kind of

disagree with a lot of the people who

are like oh

you're a socialist then why are you

collecting money and you know why are

you doing this business model because

this is a business it's a business model

streaming

is a business media is a business it's a

business it's a way of

getting money right so it's it is the

business

um just like the newspaper was a

business for the bolshevik party right

so when people say things like um you

know

oh how could you be a socialist isn't it

hypocritical to be doing that

i disagree with that because you need

money

to be a socialist you you know uh you

need money to broadcast your message you

need money to reach the masses

you need money to be able to even exist

and be relevant

you know because the ruling class has

money so what

you know uh we should just be poor and

you know but that's not socialism that's

more like

religion that's more like uh

some kind of uh religious saint or

something you know that's like

christianity or something it's not

socialism right socialism is about

winning state power

on behalf of the proletarian class

socialism is about a political class

struggle and an economic class struggle

to wrestle power from the ruling class

and seize the state power that's what

socialism is actually about

um

uh it's you know so i disagree with when

people say that

but i also don't agree with the very

opposite extreme which says that oh well

yeah

you know i could just be a millionaire

passively just

accumulating money

and doing nothing with it as a socialist

if and the reason i listen if you were

just getting millions from trading

on the stock market and you're calling

yourself a socialist

you can't i think you can do that and it

wouldn't be hypocritical

but if you're getting your money and

your brand

is inherently tied to your politics

that's when i think you have to start

you know

second you should start questioning it

you know because it's like

hassan doesn't earn money from the stock

market

hassan doesn't earn money because he

opened a business hassan

doesn't earn money because he's like a

talented businessman hassan earn money

because he's a political

media streamer and his politics

according to him is democratic socialism

same with wash you know how can these

people

earn all of this money

just for what to tell people to go vote

for biden if you're a social

you know and it's so disgusting because

people like vash and hassan will say

shit like

well we have to vote for biden because

we have no other choices

no you do have a choice because you have

you yourself

alone have a huge platform and a huge

amount of disposable income

that can go towards literally building

political alternatives it's not going to

like um

fulfill every need of that political

alternative but it's a good

it's a good step in that direction it'll

definitely kickstart

political projects political date you

know it's not going to be enough

you you obviously need small donations

but

it'll it can start something it can it's

definitely they

definitely have enough clout and money

to start something

so instead of complaining that you have

no other choice you

they can they literally have the power

to create another choice

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that's what i'm trying to say like they

act like they're not culpable but they

actually

are culpable they literally are culpable

they're actually culpable

in um this state of politics in america

because

they could be using their own big

platform

toward um realizing their political

position

in reality they can't just say oh

reality's over there and i'm here

no you are now responsible for reality

because you have such a big platform

you can influence that reality it is

within the realm of your possibility to

influence the very reality you're

complaining about

you know

so i'm not saying that they have an

obligation to do

charity but if you're building your

brand off calling yourself a socialist

i think people should question your

socialist credentials

when you're not using your brand to

concretely advanced uh

socialist politics if if you know vash

will claim

he is ultimately advancing socialist

politics

because between his

uh gino comastia you know um

shaking on stream talking about how we

have to vote

for biden and um endorse political

repression within america

after 172 steps

that somehow will help advance socialism

no

you you have to concretely advance

socialist politics

and that means you can't tell people to

vote for biden you tell people to vote

or to get started in building an

alternative party or building some kind

of alternative

political platform

and and but you know but then again even

theoretically he's wrong because he he

just thinks socialism is just a bunch of

pencil factories right

uh but at the same time he's not going

to open up his own pencil factory

boston open up your own pencil factory

that's socialism what isn't it

wouldn't that be socialism then if

socialism is just

cooperative pencil factories why don't

you just open up your own with your

money then you're doing socialism you're

realizing the socialist

ethic in real life

you know destiny was right when they

were debating that he was actually right

destiny was right um

you know uh if you're calling yourself a

socialist

and you're not using your influence and

money to advance

socialistic politics and you're still

just complaining

about the political landscape i think

that is grounds for

you know you not to have any credentials

on the matter

you know but yeah so train what train

wreck said was super smart dude because

socialism without action is a is just a

business you know

because again streaming is a business

all media is a business it functions as

a business you getting money and you're

getting viewers in you're investing that

money

as capital but what's gonna make or

break

whether it's just a business and not a

vehicle for

uh some kind of a political uh change

is whether or not uh

you're ultimately when you get there not

immediately because immediately that's

stupid when you get there

you're gonna use that money to actually

do something

uh because let me tell you what i'm

doing now right i'm using this money

i haven't touched the money honestly the

money you've given me i have not touched

i've only used it to gift 100 subs

i gifted the chat 100 subs which was 500

so i used 500 to give back that's what

i've used the money you've given me so

far

for i'm not going to start using the

money until

i get enough for full time

when i start to get enough money in for

full time

that's when i'm gonna start using that

money for subsistence

just so i can pay rent pay for food

and pay for the basic necessities right

that allow me to stream just pay for

everything that allows me to stream the

way i do

um then

we're gonna after we get that and we

start getting a surplus

over that we're gonna use that to expand

infrared so more

show runners will be able to um

we'll be able to do things and we'll be

able to just expand infrared in general

after we expand infrared up to a certain

point

that's when we're gonna start doing real

life

politics shit you know

with the money

but you can't reverse it right you know

there's a

like a fanatic who doesn't think is

gonna be like oh

in order to be virtuous i have to starve

and use all the money i get

toward no you have to take care of

yourself first right because not

everybody thinks like you do

you are special you're a special

snowflake vessel

right because not everyone thinks the

way you do

so if you're not able to support

yourself you're just conceding the

battle to your enemies who don't think

like you

so the fact that you think in the unique

way that you do

you should support that's why whenever

viewers tell me what should i do

i tell them support yourself support

it's enough

that you think in the unique way that

you do

so just make sure you can survive make

sure you can subsist secure yourself

you know make sure your family's secure

too because

your family is important you know

do not you know in history there's a

great history of people

sacrificing themselves for a higher

cause

whether it's in a war or whether it's in

a hunger strike but you have to

understand

that's not a long term that's just like

an immediate thing

you know if you plan on being around in

this world and and

fighting for what you believe in you got

to take care of yourself

you got to make sure you're going to

still be around right

because if you're not around who's going

to fight for what if you're not

around right and if you're living on the

streets and you you know you you're just

always overworked how are you gonna be

able to fight for anything

right so take care of yourself and make

sure you can survive in this world

otherwise you're not going to be able to

you know do anything

and you're not going to have any

relevance you know because let me tell

you what the ruling class

has it set they can do whatever they

want

they don't have to worry about anything

and their voices are going to prevail

they're going to dominate reality you

know

you need healthy soldiers yeah you need

healthy soldiers

you don't you can't have this mentality

of you know otherwise you're just being

selfish you're just trying to feel good

better about yourself because you're

more virtuous

rather than actually do what's necessary

to win

you know this sounds kind of capitalist

sure you can care for yourself but

exposing political ideas in workplace

with socialist elements is worthwhile

money is fairly important for political

action but groundwork is too

dude it's not capitalist whatsoever

capitalist is just you're gonna earn

money for its own sake

earning money to ultimately be able to

use that money you know and let me tell

you something

the on the ground work in terms of let's

weigh

on the ground work what does on the

ground work what does the net

outcome do more does it make you feel

better more

or does it actually change reality more

it actually just makes you feel better

more because you're personally

experiencing it

and you're personally experiencing what

change you're doing

so it's a very calvinistic type of

protestant kind of america you know or

catholic good works type of thing

you may feel the effects but in the from

a broader perspective you're not really

making a big change

whereas using money large sums of money

to reach

huge numbers of people that's actually

going to change way more

way more it's going to have way more of

an effect

uh way more of an impression and way

more of an impact

yeah on the ground work needs money and

scale

to be effective if it doesn't have scale

it's not effective

and if it doesn't have money it's not

going to have scale

you need money to have scale otherwise

it's just an individualistic

masturbatory feel-good type of thing

a person can't wage war against

everything he dislikes

true i agree

i agree

you have to make mo listen politics is a

business

yes it is you know all the disputes in

the bolshevik

party leading up to it were about the

newspaper and it was about generating

revenue you need to make money to be

anything in this world you need money

dude

money matters money doesn't just mean

capitalism

you need money to do anything if you

don't have money

yeah you don't got nothing

money is the key to anything in this

world

money is alienated human ability if you

don't have money you don't have

access to the human abilities of this

world

so money matters if you can make money

it is your responsibility to make that

money you are not being virtuous by

being more lazy

being more complacent and

foreclosing opportunities then i get

most of you can't make money

not cause you're lazy but because you

just can't

but if you can and you're not doing it

just because you're lazy

and you somehow justify that by feeling

like you're more politically uh virtuous

you are really betrayed you're really uh

doing a horrible thing

well i would imagine on the ground work

would be working within a capitalist

system to acquire

self-sustainability and then getting

workers to back the idea will never

happen dude it will never happen

i have company getting a subsidy from

the government to paper trips and or

convince through the role with workers

to adopt

an understaffed workplace to be paid and

what i don't even understand what you're

saying

until the company staffs appropriate

what you're saying and what i'm saying

are conducive to each other

no i don't agree with that because

you're trying to do this utopian thing

of creating a better society within

this society voluntarily and i don't

think that's possible whatsoever

you're not going to create a better

society within the current society

um and the simple reason for that is

that

the you know

the key to socialism is politics

there's no voluntary economic change

whatsoever

you know working within a capital system

to acquire self-sustainability how do

you do that

then getting workers to back the idea

how do you do that which workers

you need scale for all those things you

just talked about

but if it was just as easy as convincing

workers to you know to work and as

you know these dude you're dealing with

an issue where people can't even find

jobs right now there's not even jobs

people can find

what you're saying only applies to the

current workplaces that exist

how do you know the workplaces that

exist are even necessary do you really

think all these bullshit

jobs have to last forever for all time

some of these jobs shouldn't even exist

in the first place some of these jobs

are on the road to

disappearing how do you manage and deal

with all those things you on an

uh ground level you can't

socialism is about winning state power

it's always what socialism was about

because everyone understands that it is

at the level of state power

only that society is able to deal with

its common social problems

that it's facing and there is no dispute

about that among anyone

everything else is individualism

um

gripe or dm you okay give him a week off

gaga give griper a week off

give him a week off

do you think that money can corrupt in

the sense that if you become a

millionaire

how much would you really care about ml

if you throw that's very much an

individual issue that's an issue of like

personal psychoanalytic psychology or

something

i don't think money inherently does that

though i don't

um it can you know and and it's not

the money that does that it's the social

repercussions of the money that does

that it's like

you know it's the way in which you start

to

adopt ideas and

friends and kind of environments that

make it

more convenient but it's all a matter of

discipline because you know

for example the great revolutionaries of

history

almost all of them were they had access

to

huge sums of money huge sum whether they

were in power or not

you know lenin was sent to russia on a

train with gold

you know bars and all this so

there's nothing inherent about money

that corrupts you

um but that's definitely uh any

political

figure or partisan or revolutionary

needs to have personal discipline

obviously they need to have personal

discipline

they need to make sure that they they're

focused

and they don't forget

from experience i used to work for an

entertainment union and the members

themselves cared less about

union meetings should they vote on

giving their rights

to strike for more vacation days

did you give examples of how famous

leftists can use their cloud and money

to build

irl power i think jimmy dore does this i

think jimmy dore uses his money to

and influence to promote things like

movement for a people's party

you might not agree with me i know

there's a lot of drama around

for people's party but that's an example

uh

an example was what the tyt and kyle

kolinsky did

with the justice democrats now

obviously how that turned out is very

clear to us

ultimately but the form of like doing

that is what i'm talking about like the

way in which

they were able to use their cloud and

money to prop someone up in and of

itself

it doesn't even matter if it was or even

if it was a right winger who did that

it's

still the same thing it would still be

considered the same accomplishment to me

it's

so i'm not saying like oh when people go

oh look who that turned out

it has nothing to do with like the way

in which

you can use clout and money to affect

political change it's a very clear

example of

how you can do that

rather than redefining communism i think

a better path is to construct a new

political concept

i don't know how could we get people

elected without being in a party but

keep them in check

i i it's a very good question i think

you would need to well here's the issue

right

there's a few issues surrounding aoc

um there's so many factors surrounding

aoc's kind of betrayal

i'll name a few one of them was that

there was a rivalry between the

mainstream media

and the so-called progressive media

as far as keeping ioc in check the

mainstream media dominated

you know it's like a feedback loop like

no one expected aoc to get as big as she

did so when all of these mainstream

media outlets were like

talking about aoc and defining her

narrative that came as a shock to both

her and everyone else

and you know no one expected it to get

that way so the first thing you do is

you need to be prepared for that you

need to be prepared for

the way in which the mainstream media is

going to try and define who you are

and you should you know don't be shocked

and oh my god i didn't expect it to get

this big

well no you need to think in terms of

scale at that level definitely you need

a feedback loop where you can re-channel

the infamy and the you know the fame

that you're generating so you can put

that

back into you know for example

neither tyt nor kyle kulinski

capitalized

on the fact that they founded the

justice democrats

even though that's what that's what they

should have done

another thing is that the justice

democrats i think they

kicked out the tyt people

even though i think that the tyt should

have had more control over the justice

democrats definitely

just to ensure that they could

capitalize on

aoc's fame and infamy because the

justice democrats

didn't have their own media platform to

be able to capitalize

on it you know justice democrats who

right they became irrelevant even though

they were the ones who propped up aoc

they didn't gain anything

from her rise you know so that was an

issue

another issue though it wasn't only that

kind of stuff that was also that there

was actually a theoretical and

ideological crisis

facing the left the reason aoc made the

betrayals she did

is because uh it was all too convenient

for her the excuses she was able to draw

up

made sense to her actually i don't think

she was intentionally deceiving people i

think that's just what

made sense to her you know like oh trump

is the right winger i'm a left winger

and it just all fell into place and made

sense to her so there

you had that too you know you had the

lack of ideological and theoretical

clarity as well

yeah the people and justice democrats

that came to replace kyle and jen

and jenk were awful that's what i mean

um listen uh i love the tweet that i

read

that said lenin was a media theorist

because it's true it was all about that

newspaper

the bolshevik party was all about that

new the whole

cradle of the bolshevik party they

didn't begin

first with principles and you know like

um some kind of

organization they began with that

newspaper that was the most important

thing

were you a fan of the green party no it

was that newspaper

so i think people really underestimate

the importance

of mass media and

more pathetically it's so disgusting

because leninis

whether of the trotsky's variety or

otherwise will look at what the

bolsheviks did with the newspaper and

they'll

literally replicate that as though

newspapers

literally in 2021 are more pure

and more true and that the internet and

the tv is some kind of satanic

overgrowth

well you need to use the internet

this is not an age of newspapers this is

an age of the internet this is the age

of social media this is the age of

streaming

you know they think that they literally

still

use newspapers because they actually

think it's like

more pure it's almost like common

christianity

they literally will eat the bread and

wine

because they literally think like this

is what at the time

symbolized the communion or whatever

with

the last supper or whatever like it's

literally like they literally think

specifically newspapers specifically

newspapers are the more pure medium

why i mean just think of like did did

lenin and the both

fix arbitrarily decide that newspapers

were the best medium

or was that the most

mass and advanced form of communication

that existed at the time that they were

living and operated in you know

it's very bizarre and very weird how

they have that mentality and they do

that kind of shit you know

i'll write my manifesto in latin and

nail it to the church

yeah especially fringe publications

there's no real market feedback yeah

but then again leftists and i'm talking

about old leftists

were never really interested in winning

in the west they were always interested

in being

more virtuous if you really think about

it

since the new deal

okay gaga i think you should just block

him then because even if we ban him

from the chat he's still gonna dm you

i i think he should block him but

anyway um

it's very strange because after the new

left

leftism became a type of like lifestyle

it became one of those like you know

those hindu gurus that came to america

and taught people to like go to the

desert and do yoga how to pursue

the virtuous life how to pursue the most

fulfilling you know life and path

that's what it's about it's not actually

literally about

fighting in a class struggle and winning

political power

it's about fulfilling some kind of

personal need

that's what leftism is in america