Debating Leftists on 'Organizing'

damn people are fucking complaining so

much it's fucking uh

itching and whining guys let me explain

something to you okay

if i say i'm going live at a certain

time that's not like a promise that's

just a rough estimate and you gotta

fucking bear with me because

i'm coming from twitch

jesus fucking christ

i am so fucking tired i got like two

hours of sleep today i'm coming from

twitch

where we don't do this scheduling stream

bullshit

and uh

you know

for some fucking reason i'm so fucking

tired today okay i think i got sleep

i think i got sleep

but i'm still super super fucking tired

and this shit is fucking

yeah so

um

yeah i basically uh

spent

a lot of time fucking with my computer

settings i had to like go into the bios

and do all this bullshit

because i have bluestacks which is an

android simulator

on the computer which is gonna actually

let me do these twitter spaces

on my pc through my yeti mic and i won't

have to use my phone

and it'll actually be content you know

so we're gonna actually do that today

because and the reason i had to do that

and also i spent time

fucking with uh the chat to make it look

better although it kind of

isn't even working

yeah it's kind of barely working or

whatever

but uh that's okay i guess it's uh i

have to there has to be some kind of way

to get it to do the live chat instead of

the top chat

so i don't fucking know how to do that

but um i have it on low latency right at

the very least stream settings

yeah i got the low latency

um yeah so today

okay first of all there's someone in my

chat who just said bro just sleep

uh i actually

want to tell you something that would

get me banned on youtube but there's

something i want you to do with your

life

that you can't undo that's what i want

you to do with your life something you

cannot undo

and i mean that very sincerely i mean

that very very sincerely

um

very very sincerely you know there's

something i think you should be doing

with your life that you cannot undo

and that's what i would suggest for you

jesus fucking christ

um

kind of in a bitchy mood where i just

want to bitch and complain like how i

wasn't able to get any work done today

because my eyes are so fucking tired my

head is so fucking tired all i can

really do is sit on the fucking couch

and wait till it's like

2 a.m so i could just try and sleep and

get full sleep

but um

then i fucking hate i fucking hate being

on a uh

demobilized and unable to even fucking

work

unable to really do anything except uh

try

try my best at it

but um yeah there's really not a lot of

news today that i can cover

and yesterday's stream

for some reason the algorithm fucked it

really really bad it got really fucked

in the algorithm

and i have no idea why

but

here's what i'm gonna do uh this fucking

chat ui i spent literally

30 fucking minutes on it i spent 30

fucking minutes working on it while the

stream was delayed and it looks fucking

stupid and it barely fucking works

so we're just gonna add the old one and

i don't even know how they fucking

have all this shit where they're just

like

i think i could do this where it's like

youtube live

can i do it like this just add this shit

let's see if this works

see if this works

because this is so fucking annoying

there's some fucking bullshit thing

that i did

ah it works

it works

that was easy

okay

i'll take it

i'll take that that's a good deal

all right good good

thank god

let me do it for this one too and then

put that here

okay good

that's all i wanted so now i can have

the poll up

and still have the chat get displayed

and there's no problem and that's

beautiful i like that i'm grateful for

that it's a wonderful thing and we're in

business okay so today i think we should

probably spend the majority of the

stream

getting into spaces and talking about

shit relating to that

um there are there's a few things i was

planning on making the stream about

today which was cryptocurrency and

for just some reason there's just like

there's no news to cover really um i do

have some updates about the debate with

adam something so we got dm that and

dylan burns is not participating in it

and i'm kind of glad he's not because

he's fucking boring to debate anyway and

we already debated him

so adam something's gonna have a new

partner and i think it's still gonna be

tuesday it's gonna still be on

tuesday

and yeah so we're gonna basically have

that debate tuesday i'm really looking

forward to that

and i'm really excited for that to have

that

um

yeah uh what else uh

anything relating to theory no i mean

it's just the same old type of shit i

guess

anything in particular i wanted to talk

about today um

no i don't think there was anything in

particular i wanted to like have a

lecture about anything

like that

oh yeah i know there was there was there

was there was something i did want to

talk about

um i've been seeing a lot of it on my

timeline recently and it's a lot of

people talking about feminism

and it's basically this huge debate

that's going on

about feminism and woman's oppression

and if you want me to chime in and give

my two

male sense

because it's very important that i chime

in and uh intervene on this matter

i think the issue is um

i think americans are having a hard time

and i say americans i'm saying in

comparison to like the french or maybe

even the germans in terms of their kind

of schools of thought

and their ways of thinking i think

americans are having a hard time

being able to understand

um

like

being able to understand things beyond

oppression right i think the issue has

to do with this one-sided understanding

of

choice and power where basically powers

used to restrict people's choices and

confine their ability to do things or

coerce them and force them to do certain

things they otherwise wouldn't and i

think it's this very inherently liberal

understanding of oppression and choice

which is leading to a lot of the

confusion

so

because i see people really like um

debating about it

and holy fuck this the uh holy fuck the

chat seems delayed as fuck people are

still talking about the fucking debate

what the fuck i'm on a whole different

subject now what the fuck one's in the

chat if you can hear me right now one's

in the chat if like we're on the same

page holy fuck

anyway um

okay good good okay okay okay okay okay

okay good just making sure it's not

delayed too much yeah i think the issue

is like the debate's basically been

going

did you see taran was on good morning

revolution i did not uh thank you for

the

uh

two and yeah we'll check that out

we'll definitely try and check that out

but um i think yeah that the issue has

to do with this view about framing

things in terms of oppression

and that's an inherently liberal view so

let me explain this to you right

so what is the origins of the liberal

and this is what we're gonna do before i

launch the twitter space but what are

the origins of the liberal idea of

oppression the origins of the liberal

idea of oppression are basically about

how in the ancient regime

um the

feudal whatever codes and laws and and

hip privileges of the the monarchs

basically um restricted

the extent of the bourgeoisie's ability

to engage in commerce more or less right

i know this is a simplistic view but it

restricted the extent of their ability

to engage in commerce it levied heavy

taxes

uh for bullshit reasons um it didn't

give enough political representation to

people

and then when you have these theories

like john locke

and all those kind of guys

you kind of have this very liberal

understanding of oppression and

oppressed which is basically about one

person controlling the other person and

one person restricting the range of

choices of another person at yada yada

right

and then during some of the early stages

of the workers movement

i guess some workers started to kind of

not workers but theorists of the workers

movement kind of started to um

extend that to the economic sphere like

well

hold on the capitalists are also

restricting the freedom and liberty of

workers by coercing them through the

wage slave system

and you know you have that with the

anarchist you have it with proton pure

joseph proton whatever uh that continues

up with anarchists and libertarians noam

chomsky and then today uh speak the

devil bosch right

he that's pretty much his conception of

socialism too it's an extension of lib

and he says this i think explicitly

doesn't he it's an extension of

liberalism to the sphere of economics

and

i think he does say that explicitly

right

but people need to understand that this

is still a liberal understanding of

uh oppression and oppressed

now may that has a

i guess historically progressive role

when it comes to politics of

establishing universal equality and then

you can also argue right through the

civil rights era i guess right with with

the use of law to protect people's civil

rights

um although i think malcolm x and stuff

kind of had some things to say about

that as well um you know the civil

rights movement and all that kind of

stuff but broadly speaking you know uh

these these are political applications

of uh liberal democracy or liberalism or

bourgeois liberalism as we would say

which i think communists take for

granted and we say okay these are things

broadly speaking we don't want to

overturn like for example communists we

don't want to get rid of the

constitution we like the constitution

the soviets have their own constitution

the chinese have their own constitution

and then it enshrines many liberal

freedoms of its own

but i think the problem with

american leftism is that it does

something particularly destructive which

is apply liberalism to the sphere of

culture and specifically in the form

of the sphere of uh in this case in the

case of feminism in his fear of the

relations between the genders

um and i think that's where the issue

comes from so when people are on twitter

debating like how could you say

white women are being oppressed by black

men that doesn't make any sense you're

saying white women slave owners were

being oppressed by the black male slaves

the tweet exploded got like thousands of

likes and there's kind of this huge

backlash on twitter that's going on

against radfems

now the thing is because i'm inherently

uh against the mob by default on 99 of

things

the fact that the rad femmes are under

such assault and under such attack

on twitter

kind of makes me a little more

sympathetic to them not because i feel

bad for them but because i'm like what

nerve did they touch what what what's

truth because my view of twitter is

basically like that twitter's a place

where lies prevail the people who lie

the most get the most likes and they

prevail the most so if the rad fans are

triggering the fuck out of people i have

to ask the question

are they getting something right should

i think about you know should i

should i give them some more credit are

they triggering people because people

can't face the truth right about certain

things so that's what i want to talk

about today right that's just kind of my

mentality and i'm going to get to that

but

the first thing i want to talk about is

i'm not a rad femme myself but i just

want to you know entertain and touch

upon this subject

thank you so much

your old debate victims sensal and kevin

castle are responding to your bosch

tweet like you haven't already defeated

them infrared rising gorilla sun

uh that's funny son saul

i think we made him cry didn't we make

that guy cry we have a video it was uh

it was about china and the oyggers and

he started crying didn't he start crying

or was i just remembered it the wrong

way i think i remember tears were there

no tears i don't know maybe i remembered

it the wrong way but i pretty sure we

made that guy cry like he got really

really like

upset but not in a like

explosive anger way but in like a like

break down into tears kind of way

i'm pretty sure that that's just how i

remember that guy but um

i think that guy's still getting like

five views for a stream

still like a five viewer andy or

something so

i don't

i don't know if that's i mean thank you

for the 10 i guess if that's what you

want to send me and then the kevin

castle guy i do remember that guy

um

and i do sometimes notice he's he's like

buzzing around my twitter

which is weird because it's like

you'd think by now i mean i question

myself right i question myself

overall it's been a year and if we just

measure it based on the youtube alone

i've only grown like what double

not in terms of subs but like in terms

of concurrent average views it's like

pretty much just double right

um

although like when i start debating

people it goes really high to get up to

a thousand it's just like in terms of

the core community

uh you know it hasn't been explosive

growth and that leads me to a lot of

self-criticism where i'm like what have

i been doing wrong

but that guy has been so fucking bad at

growing anything

i don't even know how you look what do

you what do you expect to happen one day

people are gonna awaken to your truth or

some shit because it's not gonna fucking

happen right oh yeah and then sultan uh

i remember sultan destroyed that guy so

yeah that um

what's that other thing about sansol i

forgot

he's

um i remember something about him he's

like a creep he's a creepy guy

right isn't he a creep of some kind he

got caught with some creepy shit

i don't fucking know i don't remember

he uh oh this is what i think about that

guy though i i have to ask you guys this

question

that guys i remember this about him i

never wanted i never brought this up

before but i'm going to bring it up now

because uh

i just remembered it

one thing i never understood about that

guy sansa

when i remembered him so it could have

changed by now maybe he doesn't do it

anymore but he used to stream full time

he used to stream like 10 hours a day at

five concurrent viewers

okay now i know very well that in order

to stream

even the way i do right now right

you have i have to like work

uh not just work but like i have to make

enough money to support myself and pay

my bills otherwise

i can't i mean right now i'm spending

most of my time with the writings and

the research

etc you guys don't know how i spend most

of my day uh

the thing that can change compared to

twitch is right now i'm spending most of

it

reading refreshing myself

writing and notes and all that kind of

shit that i used to do before i started

streaming and i think that's one of the

reasons why

also youtube's different so that's one

of the reasons like i stream like three

to four hours

now in comparison to before where i used

to stream like what six hours

on twitch

well that extra one or two hours is

spent reading and writing right

um

so

the question you gotta ask that's super

super weird though is

where the fuck does that guy son solve

where does he get the fucking money to

where how does he pay his bills to do

this shit full time

how the fuck does that guy stream full

time

when he's clearly not making enough

money

uh from his streaming to be able to do

it he gets like five average viewers

so fucking weird you guys ever did you

guys ever think of that

think about all these politics streamers

on twitch who like stream like 14 hours

a day like how the fuck do you do that

you don't have a job you don't have to

pay your bills i mean

put it this way when i was in law school

so i had enough money saved for like the

first year to not have to worry about

paying bills only the first year

and after that i have to you know

do something part-time or something like

that

so then that's law school right if

you're streaming which is like what 10

hours a day like how he is and you don't

have to worry about paying bills

from your streaming job where are you

getting the money to do this

okay

does he does he have an explanation for

that i want to open that up i want to

throw that out there i would like an

explanation where the fuck does that guy

get his fucking money to stream full

time how does he pay his fucking bills

how does he pay his fucking bills it's

either from mom and dad

which is pathetic because if your mom

and dad are willing to support

you if you're if you have it that easy

where your mom and dad are doing

everything

and you're not like a fucking

millionaire you're a piece of shit i'm

sorry to say you are the scum of society

if you have enough money

to just be supported to do whatever the

fuck you want

and you're not doing that to like

build capital and become like a

millionaire so that you can help your

parents when they get old and you're

just but fucking sitting on twitch

playing video games you're a piece of

shit i'm sorry you're a fucking scum of

society you're literally

a worthless parasite you have nothing of

value to offer to anyone in society i've

what what a fucking scumbag if he's

literally leeching off his parents just

playing fucking video games on twitch

dude you're not gonna make it big on

twitch you're leeching off your fucking

mom or some shit who fucking knows right

but i don't i don't know if it's his

parents

per se i think uh

a more likely explanation is probably uh

that guy's always glowed that dude has

always glowed he's always glowed he's

always fucking glowed

so he has he's always had all of the

positions of

what a glowy would have that that dude

glows in the fucking dark

you live in a 300 a month apartment

bitch

first of all who the fuck lives in a 300

a month apartment you know how dirt

cheap that is you stupid fuck

like

a 300 month i wish i lived in a 300 a

month apartment what the fuck i wish it

was that fucking cheap if i lived in a

300 a month apartment i would fucking

i would have enough money saved for a

yacht by now what the fuck

a 300 a month apartment what is that

i've never heard of that

yeah i got really uh sidetracked i'm

talking about nothing now okay let me go

back to what i was talking about

so

back to the radfemship the real issue is

the application of liberalism to culture

but i kind of like how rad femmes

i'm not i think they're you know crazy i

guess i'm not one of them but i like how

they don't compromise i like how they

say no this issue of sexuality of sexual

difference man and woman that is the

most fundamental thing

and what i appreciate about them

is that

they to me to me it's not just about

culture and microaggressions for them

for them there's a fundamental

material significance

of

sexuality

that

is beyond culture now what i can

appreciate about that is

the all the issues of identity politics

come from the application of liberalism

to culture so when people say for

example how can you say a bourgeois

woman is oppressed by a a poor man i

think that misses the point because

it's just applying the idea of a it has

it's this intersectional view of

oppression where every oppression is

qualitatively the same and that it's

just it's just they intersect there's

it's fucking stupid and loose

loosey-goosey type of bullshit right

sexuality is something very fundamental

to our humanity i need to remind people

one of the ways you can interpret mao's

women hold up half the sky

is basically that

a human being is not

uh

is not one thing a human being is split

into two

right humans are sexed human being is

sexed so there's something wrong with

humans

that there has to be two of them they

can't just be one there has to be two

somehow there's

they're both these different responses

to the same fucking problem right

so i find that interesting but

i think the whole oppression stuff is

more about

how much social capital

you should have because

you can set you can talk about how

uh sexuality is universal

in a given society while also saying

like

yeah if something happens to a slave

owning women like fuck her right who

gives a fuck something happens to them

like they

i don't know they slip on a banana peel

and uh break their head or some shit i

mean yeah don't um

don't fucking feel bad for them fuck

them right but you could still also

recognize that there's something

fundamental going on in this fear of

sexuality right so i think that's the

thing people kind of get mistaken about

it is that they just assume it's about

oppression

and it's the same when it comes to the

debate about class reductionism right

people are like

people are like well the white working

class is privileged laws and it's like

yeah but you don't understand what class

difference is you're confusing the

national question with class difference

and you're just confusing all these

things and it's extremely incoherent

and the reason for that is because you

are operating on this like fundamental

binary of oppressor and oppressed that's

the fundamental vision you have of

everything sorry that's liberalism right

that's not a scientific understanding of

what's going on here

um

but i do want to say i want people to

understand that

the woman's question in historical

communist movements and historically in

general the woman's question was not

uh identity politics because it wasn't

addressing these cultural identities

and these

right what is identity politics identity

politics is a way for individuals to

look at themselves in the mirror in a

certain way i'm a woman i'm this i'm

this identity i'm i'm a poc i'm this i'm

gay i'm this i'm trans i'm this this is

like a form of narcissism right but the

woman's question

was not addressing culture it wasn't

addressing microaggressions it wasn't

even addressing you know cat calling or

whatever the fuck that kind of shit is

right it was it wasn't addressing the

way in which people spontaneously

interact within civil society the

woman's question

was specifically addressing

the actual material role of women in

society

and it was trying to take steps

to relieve

the burden specifically of work from

women

and it was understanding

the role of women in society

significance of society on a very

material level okay

yeah it was not addressing like man

spreading on the fucking subway that's

cultural stuff but the woman's question

is not just cultural it's there's

something material

uh about what it's addressing

specifically it's a material relation

between man and woman

that it is some yeah it's not just yeah

it's mainly kind of economic in nature i

guess

you would say

but i'm just trying to say it's

addressing something that goes beyond

culture

and the same goes for the national

question the same goes for that kind of

stuff and i think the problem with

american leftism is that it confuses all

those things with intersectional theory

uh

which is just produced it's produced

this confusion where people don't know

what the revolutionary subject is it's

gotten people to all these stupid ideas

like the revolutionary subject it's

trans um poc

women

who are that's the right no that's not

the rep that might be the person who

experiences the most

suffering i guess

but that's not what's gonna define the

revolutionary subject okay

um

so that's the issue right

and

i'm not

i'm kind of suspicious of some of not

from our community because we are better

than everyone we're great we're above

all criticism and nothing we everything

we say is infallible but more so from

like others who are critiquing the

radfems i'm kind of suspicious of them

i'm kind of suspicious of every attempt

to um

to uh close

i i i try to use

i i want to use

uh the female energy and harness that

power

against my enemies it's because it's

like a infinite type of energy i'm

really suspicious of all attempts to

kind of close this energy and um

consolidate it

because

i just feel like that is uh

how do i put it it's always kind of like

a cope there's something so raw

and so um

real with a capital r

about like for every let me put it this

way the female is a being i'm not

talking about individuals but just like

these

it's something that undermines every

self-consistent ego it's something that

undermines every system it undermines

every identity undermines every form

undermines every uh

order right and it's kind of this uh

thing

that i'm really suspicious of it's and

that's what i mean to say it oftentimes

sounds like people are coping

when they're trying to argue with the

rad femmes not from our side of the

aisle because we win in the debate with

them obviously we win but when others do

it it's kind of like it sounds kind of

like they're coping a lot of the time

right sounds kind of like they're just

kind of like

i don't know

i often times sounds like cope right

um

because their stance on trans why what

are they are they same as turfs i'm not

familiar with the tumblr

uh lexicon but

they detest communism well i think this

it's a very simple distinction

um

people who are part of that community

will never join ours they will never be

part of our community

so those people who are um

part of that rad femme community will

probably never well they will never be a

part of our community but i wonder if we

just let them be a part of their own

community

and then we use them against our enemies

somehow right we like manipulate them

against our enemies because

um

women have a very destructive role

toward

every order of copium yes women have a

very destructive role

toward every

copium system every system of copium

if you just unleash

these rad femme whatever people on them

they can cause a lot of chaos and cause

a lot of destruction

which

i think we should you know consider

using to our advantage against our

enemies right

but i don't know that's how i think

about things behind the scenes

um

that's how i think of it behind the

scenes because i saw this is why i'm

saying this because i saw in my timeline

how they were beefing

with a bunch of people and don't be

wrong they say crazy shit blasphemous

disgusting shit about the prophet about

islam so i think most of them are

mentally ill don't get me wrong i

consider them mentally ill

uh and i'm com you know they're they say

hideous horrible shit

but we keep them at a distance at arm's

length and just throw them to our

enemies and have our enemies deal with

them

you know what i mean

let the our enemies face their

derangement

that's what i think about it

let our enemy we shouldn't be the ones

who have to

deal with their derangement i'm talking

about terps bro i don't know what all

this shit means i thought the rad femmes

were just the people who said

nothing else matters except sexuality

and the reason i'm i'm being a little

sympathetic toward them it's because i'm

a monotheist i'm against paganism i i

like when people focus on one thing i

don't like when people are

intersectional and they're like oh we

can balance everything and no i don't

want you to balance everything you know

we have one singular goal we want the

patriarchal

revival of communism that's our fucking

goal we don't give a fuck about feminism

we don't give a fuck about anything else

we don't give a fuck about any of this

identity politics bullshit we want to

revive the cp usa

anyone who stands against us is an enemy

we will crush them gulag for all of them

indiscriminately

right

that's us

we don't have this intersectional thing

like

ah the lgbt

we don't give a fuck about any of that

that has nothing to do with anything

we're fucking doing okay we don't give a

shit about you're with us or you're

against us as george w bush said for

everybody else in between you're a pawn

on our chessboard which we're gonna use

you against our enemies you understand

so

yeah that's what i want to say about

that okay

anyway let's uh get this show on the

road and start

let's get this show on the road and

probably start the twitter space

let's start our twitter space

and start the debate okay

because today's stream is going to be

about organizing and what people

actually mean by organizing and the

space is going to be called

organizing

is a waste of time

okay here we go

here we go

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what up bitches

so today

okay we're getting into it we're getting

into it today

and today

we're gonna be talking about what the

fuck all these people mean by organizing

that we're hearing go out and organize

everybody in order to save america

everybody needs or sorry not save

america in order to save uh

to save the world and save the planet we

need to go out and organize it's gotta

organize i'm calling your bluff what the

fuck do you mean by organize i'm gonna

tell you what you mean by organized you

mean

doing crackhead shit and this is really

the thesis i wanted to instill in

today's space today's lecture so what

these people are talking about

when they're out here saying we gotta

organize they think they're doing

something new they think they're doing

something provocative then they're doing

something significant but as a matter of

actual fact right when you actually put

two and two together and think about it

you go on the metro you go on the subway

in new york city or san francisco or los

angeles and there's crackheads running

around saying a bunch of crazy ass shit

you got a dude running around saying oh

bro make that

shit out of everyone's mouth you have

some people saying shit like that how

are you different how are you different

what makes you oh you're going around

running long lab the chairman gonzalo

the tenants of the revolutionary

liberation of capitalism you're no

different than the crackhead on the

subway you haven't distinguished

yourself from the crackhead on the

subway so when you come to me and you

talk about how you're going out here

organizing like those motherfuckers in

ireland doing their connolly house doing

that fucking bullshit where um they're

occupying a house of crackheads and if

they're making shads y'all are just a

bunch of crackheads on the subway tell

me what your organizing has tangibly

done and what it means louise

mlm go ahead as a speaker

go ahead

what the hell

she just left

and dead and done okay so pennywise got

something to say

adam as a speaker what you got to say

ma pennywise motherfucker what you got

to say

go ahead and speak your business

speak

you have 15 seconds to speak malformoids

copaconize all right you have 15 seconds

to speak sir and if you don't i'm gonna

curse you and your generation and your

lineage i'm gonna curse your

grandparents i'm gonna curse your whole

ancestry every single fruit that comes

from your lineage i will curse them to

hell to a life of suffering and misery

you time-wasting bitch who comes in here

with the muted fucking microphone got

your shit busted up coming into my

motherfucking space wasting everybody's

time waiting on you to say some shit but

you come in here just saying nothing

thinking that you're being smart

thinking that you're being clever

motherfucker i curse you that the pits

of hell bitch get the fuck out of here

motherfucker and you're blocked

you goddamn bitch

and as i was saying

i would like one person and i'm gonna

i'm gonna do it the million dollar

question one person come up in here

and tell me how outside of canvassing

for a communist to get elected locally

what does it mean by or give me one

reason why we should be out here quote

unquote organizing go ahead if you can

convince us and you can convince me i

will send you 200 on paypal go ahead and

actually try and rationally argue how

quote unquote organizing is a good use

of time and you can't use it within the

context of getting people elected so

give me one reason why it's a good use

of time for a communist to be quote on

quote organizing like you're saying

rather than winning the information war

so go ahead i would like to see hear

anybody anybody give me some shit and

peace frog

you don't sound like you have anything

to argue with me about i don't want

people who don't got anything to be

pushing back on me about so it's as

simple as that we got all these people

out here constantly talking about hans

we need to organize stop stop doing this

streaming stuff stop doing this all this

stuff go out and organize what the fuck

do you mean by that go ahead and give us

one coherent explanation of what the

fuck you mean by organize taz you're

gonna you're gonna go ahead and do it go

ahead

hello

yeah

motherfucker what do you mean yeah

okay so you think uh

organizing is a waste of time

absolutely

okay

so you don't think uh

labor organizing

and collective bargaining

can improve working conditions of uh

on what scale on a political scale no

that's not what communists need to

prioritize doing but

you know like there are unions with like

hundreds of millions of people worldwide

that

motherfucker what communists here you

we're talking about what communists

should be doing unions they align

themselves unions do union ships unions

and labor struggles yeah but a communist

is only going to be engaging in the

union organizing you're putting the car

before the horse before we can union

organize we already have to have a

communist organization of some kind so

you don't think

supporting secular labor movements is a

good thing that's a waste of time tell

me tell me how you support them

joining them okay so you as an

individual you're a communist with con

communist consciousness right

not really but let's let's let's

hypothetically say you are

huh

hypothetically let's say you are

yeah okay

and do you or do you not already have a

party

like in my country you're in my problem

so you're just doing it as an individual

right

yeah sure but i'm joining so what you're

doing what you should actually do

instead is sign up for a soup kitchen

because if you want a direct experience

of directly helping people as many

people as possible in the most immediate

and direct sense using your time join a

local charity join a soup kitchen you

will immediately and directly be helping

much much more people you can't justify

i'm not as an individual that's a great

thing to do why are you volunteering in

your individual capacity for union

organizing instead of going to a soup

kitchen because if you actually think

about it logically

what like

i don't understand how it's like one

thing or the other yeah because a soup

kitchen you are immediately helping

people who are hungry

a union when you're union organizing you

are indirectly helping people right so

no i'm helping

workers

directly indirectly

i don't i mean yes it is

you're not immediately putting fucking

food in their mouth you are indirectly

helping them so you think that's what

people should do so you think

okay so i'm stable organized i'm saying

your reasoning i'm saying the reasoning

you use i'm saying the reasoning you use

to say that the thing communist

partisans should be doing right now is

union organized in their individual

capacity labor organized yeah labor

organizing their individual capacity

i am saying

that cannot stand

to rational scrutiny because why not

just fucking be a soup kitchen organizer

i don't know i'm i'm kind of not

following your logic here okay here is

the logic it's very simple all right i

am saying what communists need to be

doing right now is getting this working

soup kitchens

no i'm not saying that you dumb fuck you

are an airhead no i'm just joking you

are airheaded i'm saying

communists right now need to be focusing

on winning the info war and building

organs of mass media successfully and

successfully capturing audiences on a

scale of thousands and thousands of

thousands that's what communism should

primarily be doing right now and the

secondary thing they should be doing

right now alongside that is a syncretic

dual syncretic thing is locally fielding

joining the communist party usa and

locally fielding communist candidates to

get in positions of power and using the

dialectic between media and politics to

accelerate the growth of real

organization okay

so so

what you're saying is life recognizing

so you're saying my shit is useless hold

on you're gonna argue my shit is useless

because it's not as direct as like no no

no i wasn't i wasn't

okay

yeah

that's totally that's a great thing as

well

okay and i'm not only saying it's a

great thing i'm saying when leftists say

we need to be organizing right now

they're talking about wasting time

okay like

i understand the perspective they're

waiting people online they're not

specific enough so it seems like you

know they're just saying nothing but uh

all right cob has got something to say

and uh

i'm gonna turn my mic off

okay

we're gonna have cob

tap in the ring

reasonable conservative all right well i

don't i don't know why

what what do you wha what's going on bro

what's going on

hi house it's a pleasure to speak to you

uh

i would like i would like to see my uh

speaking time to um

american patriot next ascension

okay

thank you

all right

we're gonna

add them as a speaker go ahead american

patriot

go ahead

go ahead he seated his time to you

and they're nowhere to be found

looking points and you know you know

this sort of uh intellectualism is

really uh what is more important here

which is uh i i do agree to up to a

point you do have to fi form a type of a

basis

for your movement for your research of

the revolution that you're having but

you know

time and time again i think we've all

seen in these sort of dysgenic sort of

dsa meetings completely dysfunctional

people coming together uh where these

things sort of materialize and you can

clearly see why they fail so i think

it's very important for your

ideas and rhetoric to materialize

in real life and for people to see

what kind of people

they're actually dealing with rather

than what they see uh you know behind

the screen so because what they're

presented with is sort of like a smoker

of

what uh you know

they're sort of um being presented

yeah you brought up a good point of the

exact opposite of the conclusion you

drew so it's exactly for the reason that

we need to sharpen the info war so that

we don't have these embarrassing people

uh come together and make an

embarrassment of us in person like the

dsa uh hobgoblins and malformoids that

are coming together and you know that's

an exact you this is what i just said

they keep saying we need to go in person

and organize i promise you i just saw

this video of the subway there was an

improv street group doing an improv

dance and singing group on the subway

and crackheads just joined in and ruined

the whole thing for everyone and they

were you know there was uh they were

naked it was just really gross and it

was really uncomfortable and the same

thing happens when these people uh quote

unquote organize in person they're just

attracting the mentally ill to come

along everybody join along into the

circus and it becomes a shit show

becomes like chaz or becomes like the um

the connolly house in ireland which is a

crack then of crystal meth and that

that's a big problem and that wouldn't

be that wouldn't happen if one you had a

good info war going on where you can

interface with thousands and thousands

and millions of people and get used to

how to actually interface with them and

then second going on the ground and

actually doing real

uh electoral stuff getting people

elected and having to knock on doors and

talk to real people in real life and

isn't that organizing though isn't that

just organizing because when leftists

say organizing they don't actually mean

that what they actually mean is going

outside and uh yelling at people to

adopt your ideology instead of offering

tangibles and anything but how do you i

think that's more of a representation of

your ideology i mean marxist types do

sort of end up you know being like that

it's it's always been the case they've

always been sort of hunky-dory well in

the 1960s where the trotsky's you know

came down to america okay give me a

country besides the united states of

america germany britain

and maybe france

and and some other shithole eu countries

give me an example where communists are

like that anywhere outside of it

well everywhere i mean which countries

to name

latin america germany else austria

russian congress not russia want lots of

organization

russia is pretty straight china at the

moment russia is pretty straight i mean

i mean

they're keeping a very close eye

middle eastern communists aren't like

that most of the latter yeah but russian

culture isn't like that either yeah

venezuelan communists are not like that

nobody's like that except

venezuela and communists are very

dysgenic but i think the main point was

really

okay that's fine all right fine that's

what all right that that's you know i'll

concede that whatever you're trying to

whatever point you're trying to make

that but my original point was that if

you how are you going to stop because

what you're suggesting is in forward

which is really propaganda right you're

you're you're

you want to push propaganda but when it

materializes and you have all these sort

of degenerative you know

near diversions

she him her uh types of people zombies

you know come come down there these th

these are the people that really who

hold these type of opinions you don't

have the problem with like you know

right-wing fascists mistaken sir sir sir

wellington you are very mistaken because

those are the people

who are pushing back on my infowar

and who are attacking me

and they they're always responding to me

by saying oh you're not doing any real

organizing unlike us and then i look at

the real organizing that they're doing

and it's it's the twilight zone so

that's where this whole controversy

comes from our people are not like that

i understand that but um no you do have

to have you're looking you're looking at

people that are like in their young 20s

online like why not look at

millions of

the people in what chat middle like

middle-aged dudes that are actually

doing stuff they're not even on twitter

like how can you say like

they're not that's what i'm trying to

tell you is they're not there's no real

communists doing anything that you don't

see on the internet they're all they all

they do is tweet

pro-labor aligned with labor

listen the labor struggle is fine but

you can't interact with the labor

struggle outside of a party you if

you're doing it as an individual

and you're you're professing to be a

communist who has communist

consciousness

you're not actually contributing to the

political struggle

so

would you support

like a mass

secular

working class or labor-aligned party

whether they don't explicitly say yeah i

want a big tent people's party whatever

okay third party with the amazon labor

union and uh independent unions not the

fucking establishment ones all the new

independent unions that are forming

besides the starbucks ones and like you

know the the um

urban pmc ones those guys can't come but

the amazon labor union people they can

come you know the real working class new

unions that are outside of establishment

they can come not the google engineers

not the graduates student unions the

real working-class unions they can all

come and join in for a third party

and none of the establishment unions

fuck them right or if unless they want

to betray their democrat masters other

than that there are whores of

imperialism in the democratic party um

we have nothing really that's a

simplification this is sort of

indicative of like what really goes goes

wrong with your type of organizing right

because you you guys sort of don't

consider how many sort of subversive

elements you have and then you sort of

say listen we're going to organize with

bloody amazon workers have you have you

considered what the iq of the average

amazon what is what i mean and

and you also sort of just suggesting

that to go against this listen

amazon workers are normal people they're

lit they're not the

graduate students you talk about iq

let's sir sir wellington we go to the

euro

prestigious academias those are the most

retarded people mentally retarded people

on fake planet earth whereas people i'm

a trader i don't know what you're

talking about i'm not an academic i

don't know why you think that because in

my accent really you're going to make

fun of how i speak well okay i'll guess

i'll be more tolerant or whatever but

he's just british okay but you you have

to understand those motherfuckers at

oxford university i could debate the

fuck out of any of those motherfuckers

uh they can't hold a they can't they

can't hold themselves in a confrontation

with the motherfucker who does the real

readings from the primary sources of

course that's fine i agree with you but

you know my my critique was maybe i was

a bit harsh about it and this guy's

crying about it because maybe i don't

know he works for amazon or joe um have

fun packing those boxes but

the the the simple the simple idea that

you can just organize

has done something significant yeah i

don't know i don't know what a you're

let me tell you the difference let me

tell you i'm gonna tell you the

difference right i don't know the people

over at amazon are your ordinary average

person

on their daily grind what's wrong with

that what do you want them what you

would rather have them uh

be drug added for drug addicted on the

subway addicted to crack

that's fine i know absolutely no problem

with that uh they should organize but

who is going to leave them i mean uh

these people don't that's what you're

for we need to build an actual party

that has published on what basis on what

basis what's the basis of your

organization you don't have a basis you

need at least that

party of the american working class sir

it's pretty simple yeah but who's what's

the hierarchy who what type of people

are going to you know leave them at

least the fascists have an idea of the

crop the most advanced the most elite

the best the most skilled the most

talented i'm gonna i'm gonna head out

yeah nobody cares

all right have fun at your amazon

box packing shop i'm just gonna watch

yeah

yeah have fun at your amazon box packing

job by the way you're late with my

package

all right y'all gotta settle down here

okay so

the the people who are supposed to lead

the workers movement or the not the

workers movement specifically the

political class struggle

it's always supposed to be

the most elite the best of the best

that's what lenin said that's what mark

said they've always said it's got to be

the best of the best the most tough the

most talented the most resilient yada

yada yada so we don't want uh the

snowflakes or soft people or soft-handed

type of uh sensitive people or you know

all these type of people who are

entitled

uh to leadership there's it's got to be

people who are willing to

fully devote themselves to the cause

uh completely selflessly

i see so what's the basis of this like

some sort of meritocratic order or like

some sort of fire okay based on

something the ranks by being the most

effective leader is being so just

naturalistic

huh

just naturalistic so just naturally if

that comes from god or if comes from

nature if it's just by chance it doesn't

matter the thing that matters is that

they prove themselves

through uh the mo being the most

effective leaders at what they do and

that's how it works okay

all right now we're getting somewhere so

i have i've tried doing this i've tried

doing this house and i've tried working

with the establishment and things like

that what really ends up happening is

that you have these

well no that's fine but you still have

to work with the establishment or

compete with them what would you rather

do i think it's better to work well okay

that's fine but

well

good luck with that i mean you're going

against an empire and a literal

international empire good luck with that

well listen i mean listen lennon did it

you know mao did it they did it pretty

well then it works with lynn works with

them lenin works with the empire

they work for the best

we are working against the banks i mean

even if you're on the on the left on the

right against the bats when leonard led

led his party to power the banks had all

of the allied nations and the axis

nations come and invade russia they to

get their money back get their loans

back what are you talking about

yeah so they did work with the banks and

then betrayed them but so they did work

with them

they brought they you got to understand

they kind of worked with the banks quote

unquote as in they robbed they had the

biggest bank robbery in the history of

europe so i don't know if that's what

you mean by work with yeah i mean

yeah that was literal anyways biggest

bank robbery in the history i think of

uh

the world or maybe not the world at

least europe i

i i didn't think so but um if you want

to do that right you want to go go

around robbing banks because that seems

to be no i'm not saying that all right

all right fine fine um

this is how i want to make money uh i

think a communist party should also be a

corporation that has a stream of revenue

based on making money effectively

and i yeah gotta secure the bag somehow

gotta get that money somehow donations

and

aren't gonna cut it you gotta turn that

shit into a corporation you to uh have a

fully fledged communist party you know

have it own properties have it invest

and that's the communist party right now

it's owned properties in uh new york

right now that's the whole stream of its

revenue i'm saying turn that up to and

turn that up a million-fold notches

start becoming the donald trump of

political parties buy up all these

properties buy up whatever and if you

want to be ethical and conscientious

about it that's fine too but

the communist party needs to get the bag

first of all you can't do that you can't

be ethical about it if you if you're

ever going to compete

you can't be

in a very structured it's not

necessarily massive

capitalistic

we don't have to compete but we just

have to make enough money to finance our

political goals which you know you'll

have to because people are aren't just

going to stand idly they're going to

attack you they're going to you know go

after you and these people are more

powerful than they've ever been really

so i mean that's fine actually i have to

go soon

i have to go right now actually

what i have to go right now i have to go

right now i would love to have a long

longer chat sometime or whatever but i

actually have to go okay thank you for

having me on there yeah yeah no problem

so

listen

what i have to say about that as as

regards to that is that uh it's probably

not gonna happen that the communist

party is gonna rise and you know become

the donald trump of political parties

and own all this properties and shit

it's probably gonna be a collapse of the

american state and there's probably

gonna be a warlord era civil war type of

thing i just want a communist party

that's

suitably prepared

and organized enough

and prepared enough and tough enough

uh to be able to like survive something

like that right so that's really what

we're talking about here i i don't

really think you know obviously they're

gonna do everything in their power to

like prevent something from like this

from being successful peacefully

obviously we all know that but you got

to start from somewhere right and that's

what i'm really talking about here but

when left to say we got to be organizing

guys

they're just telling you you got to

waste your time doing charity which will

do you what will that do for you they'll

do nothing for you okay

so i'm gonna add not random and he's

gonna push back on some of the things

i've been saying

go ahead give it your best shot

yeah we can hear you

i think for a third party right more or

less media media is not a form of

organizing okay so i'm saying okay we

don't have that's fine we don't have

we don't have to call it organizing i

mean just whatever as your strategy as

opposed to the strategy of union

organizing or so tell me the union

organizing strategy tell me what that is

no no no no that's not my position

that's not my position i i ask them what

their strategy is and they don't tell me

what their strategy says we're gonna

organize the workers and i want to know

what what it means i agree

i agree with you that they're full of

shit what i wanted to debate you on

actually is the disagreement with me

seems to be not

uh your strategy as opposed to theirs

because i agree with your strategy it's

just the third party itself

uh the cp usa i think it's beyond saving

so while i think your interpretation of

communism is like vastly

preferable to that of the current

cpusa woke liberal

leadership my issue is that you're not

going to convince the american people

that the essence of communism is

positive whether it is or it isn't that

you can't convince them that the essence

of communism is positive fast enough to

address the crisis of power in america

right now i think that at the very least

americans

need a plan b americans don't care about

plan b listen americans don't give a

shit about communism they care about

real problems

and they care about right that's the

problem yeah that's why they'll never

that's why they'll never fuck with a

party called the cp usa if communists

are the people who are the best equipped

to articulate those and they're the most

skilled and being able to articulate the

feelings of the people the people will

forgive them for calling themselves

communists and actually it will change i

don't think that's realistic i think you

can look at jackson going to like the

the vaccine protest and he's talking

with people where he's agreeing with

them a lot of the time and then they say

something negative about tommy no hold

on they say something negative about

communism and then he's like well i'm

actually a marxist leninist and then he

has to go for like 15 minutes explaining

this woman that mark's actually based

and he actually agrees with her on

everything i just think that it's a d i

feel like you could have a great

populist movement

the communist party don't understand

what marxism is actually about

so it's the point isn't

that it's a problem we have to convince

people to like marxism

is supposed to

meritocratically

be the best scientific tool to lead to

people no no i'm i fully agree with

hagel and all that

so marxism is just a tool for us we're

saying

where everyone else is failing being a

populist and being anti-establishment

this tool is going to actually allow us

to succeed

listen as long as we can successfully

apply the immortal science of

dialectical materialism effectively it

the ideology doesn't matter it's we're

no that's my whole point that's exactly

it

that's exactly it

you could run with your exact position

in a in a third party that's just not

called

yeah way more effective that's my whole

point but the reason the manifesto says

the communist disdain to conceal their

views

is because

that tool

because marxism leninism is an active

tool we're using to clarify confusions

and contradictions that inevitably rear

your head

hold on

but okay but you don't have to conceal

your views i'm not talking about

having associate forcing a particular

um

you know withholding of your policy

positions in your inspire like

influences

running within the party i'm just saying

the party itself you need a plan b

besides because here's my thing

like if for no other reason the cp usa

has a number of ways of blocking your

infiltration i wouldn't put it past them

to disband the party just to stop you

if they didn't win the party just to

stop me

then we can actually form and

reconstitute the communist party

ourselves

okay but i'm saying but there's a

preferable strategy to that i don't

think that's a bad strategy i want to be

clear i'm not against that strategy i

just think that there's a a strategy

that could work faster and more

effectively a different third-party idea

which is what so okay it the idea is

that

a third party that would exist for the

sole purpose of attacking the duopoly

the dems and the gop now the mistake

every third party of the present day

makes is that they think they can do

this with a specific ideology including

the communist party in my opinion

whether it's the green party or

libertarian party they only manage to

gather a specific ideological

demographic libertarian republicans and

greens

you're mistaken

i agree i agree the third party should

be like the people's party where they

welcome a whole host of ideologies

yeah not the people's party

i don't think because they don't go far

enough that's my whole thing is the

people's party forward party they help

they all have specific party positions

you're reading too much into it okay it

could be whatever fucking party you

think of that's neutral enough whatever

no no no no that that's not the thing

the part the party can't have any

positions it's not that it has mutual

positions that it has no physicians bro

let me talk because i've thought a lot

about this and you're assuming i haven't

thought of this already okay

okay yeah i understand a bare minimum

third party i get it it's it's open to

positions but that party is going to

have to be a coalition of various

different interest groups and various

different sub parties and factions okay

of course of course so to me

i we as communists we can't just be

individuals trying to

correctly steer the course of the party

there needs to be a communist party

faction of that third party okay and

that's what for me that

to me that separates you from a huge

audience that you could potentially have

and builds the same policies that you

want to fight for like land rover

because in order to build an effective

third party you need the libertarians

you need a bunch of other people

it can't just exactly

and it can't just be your specific view

no no not that's the whole point is it

wouldn't be my view i look i'm a nobody

i don't want to be the leader of the

party

i'm not just talking about as an

individual i'm talking about as a

political ideology it has to have a

bunch of them

and

so just because

just because you are

um having a an open broad tent party

does not mean

necessarily

that

it's it's not going to be hegemonically

led by certain ideologies and factions

who prove their loyalty and

effectiveness let me give you an example

of this okay so um this is the example

is china when it's invaded by japan so

china is invaded by japan and they had

their own quote unquote third party

which is just the war against japan the

chinese patriotic national war of

liberation against japan so the

communists rose to prominence

because they were

among the most effective organizers of

the people

and the most effective leaders of the

people in that war okay so you can have

a broad tent third party and communists

can also prove themselves within the

framework of that okay but here's the

difference though between

here's the difference between that

example and the current conditions in in

those conditions in china

they didn't have the same amount of

anti-communist propaganda in history

that the current american communist

propaganda is a paper tiger that can be

completely overturned in 15 seconds of

talking to someone okay nobody cares

about it all you have to do is focus on

what people actually care about

and that shit becomes

a complete afterthought no that's all

that

you could have

look you could have an entire communist

faction within this party it just by not

calling it the communist party and

opening it up to liberty i mean you

could open up this party listen listen

this party could be kanye west vermin

supreme ralph nader no it could be joe

jordan

i'll tell you why it has to be a

communist party because the reason the

communist disdain to conceal their views

is that it's a historical tradition that

we are standing by and we are inheriting

uh and giving new meaning to through

real life living conditions and the

reason that's important

to have that memory and have that

tradition and not forget it is because

there's valuable lessons to be able to

draw from the past that are important

not just for the party leaders who are

an elite minority but also through the

creation of a communist culture where

people can genuinely look to the past of

the history of the fighters of the

working class in american history and

all the real progressive heroes of

american history and it can coherently

reconcile all of those things and create

a genuinely working-class culture a

political culture these this is why a

communist party is important it unifies

all these things

not just the history of communism but

the way the history of communism has

played a big role in the us's own

history and the way it makes sense of

america's history specifically so that's

one of the reasons it's important

i agree with all of that but

my thing is that i feel like you could

do that more effectively if you just did

that as a communist faction of what i'm

talking

there's going to be a communist party

that's part of a big tent populist

coalition

okay well i guess i'm talking about the

big tent populist coalition then which i

feel like would be more effective as a

party because i feel like that's the

main thing that we need to fight

imperialism right now is the two-party

system it can be a political party

running for uh congress or the senate or

office or president the presidential

election right but you could be because

you could be a communist like

congressman and where there could be a

libertarian senator and they could be

from this same big tent party this is

what i'm talking about i agree i agree

well i feel like that that's more like

i'm just saying like you know i'm not

saying you have to buy into it

completely i'm just saying like if this

cp usa shit doesn't come out for

whatever reason just consider this right

before i can do that i got to get my own

house in order and i'm a communist i got

to get my communist house in order

and that's my goal is to get the cpusa

to join all these to join a pop see the

people the cbsa has a popular front

theory right now where

they believe in this what i'm telling

you but they think that democrats are

the big tenth coalition right so my role

with the cbsa is to get them

off the democrats and into a populist

coalition

but see that just seems to me i mean

that's not i i like the idea but it just

seems like you're making it more

difficult than it needs to be if you

just start a third party from scratch

where the entire idea is to attack the

democrats and republicans from all sides

like like alexander dugan says from the

left and the right from the past

i'm one guy with what organization with

what party with what group am i going to

be able to know i'm just saying you talk

to other people about talk to jackson

about it talk to jimmy about it get the

conversation going like i'm literally a

nobody we've been doing about it we've

been doing it

um you've been doing it for specific my

problem is you everyone's been doing it

like i brought this up i donated to

jackson and with the same idea and he

said it was the people's party i joined

a bad faith she said it was the forward

party so everyone thinks that this idea

that i have is a party that already

exists and you're saying it's the

communist party i'm saying this idea has

not been done

and it hasn't been done but that's what

we're trying to do over here

but

my issue i mean i just feel like the

having the party be a specific ideology

ideology even if it's just a name only

and you can have different factions

within the ideology i feel like it's an

unnecessary limitation i'm trying to get

my house in order and then once we have

the reins of the communist party we can

get an actual working thing going where

we can actually form a coalition with a

bunch of i'm sorry i know i know you're

going to hate that i said but that

sounds like aoc that sounds like we need

more time we need to like talk to like

we need a fucking solution now all right

let's just okay i'll tell you what we do

then we're just gonna run outside naked

screaming right now no i'm not saying

i'm not the fucking guy no i'm not the

one spilling water on the cons fucking

table okay i'm not that guy all right

i'm saying i have a specific strategy

that i'm advocating that i think is more

effective than the one that you're

advocating and that's fine

what exactly do you want to be done then

start a third party

i'm broke i'm barely making any money no

i'm not saying you need to do it i'm

just saying that you need to talk to the

other people about this idea

right it doesn't have to be you that

starts the party

what do you want me to do no because

it's it's your it's specific idea of a

third party that's under the label of

communism which i feel like is a

limitation that you need to break

and you can still be obviously the most

that i can do which is tell my people to

join an existing party that we can take

over what do you want me to do beyond

that i don't have the funds to form a

third party i don't have the capital

look i'm sorry i don't i'm not mean to

like put the burden on you or anything i

don't want you to feel like it's i'm

just it's just because i'm you know i've

that's the thing i've been donating to

multiple people about this idea it's not

necessarily you i'm just bringing it up

to everyone so i don't want you to feel

singled out or anything i'm just saying

like this idea and we have a specific

goal

right now

and that's what we have we have a goal

no yeah of course that's that's

absolutely valid you are valid

anyway that's all i really wanted to say

okay

have a good one all right so as i was

saying as i was continuing to say

there's an epidemic of crackheads in

this country and leftists are joining

their ranks at a rapid pace and calling

it praxis and calling it real world

organization

even though that's a complete fraud it's

completely fraudulent it's completely

false

it's completely unjustifiable now i want

to know what the difference is between

going on the subway and being a

crackhead and so-called organizing i

want one person to justify that

distinction to me and explain that to me

that we need to be organizing right now

guys we need to be organizing what do

you mean by organizing i asked

i asked

esperanza the great

what the fuck she meant by organizing i

asked her and she couldn't give me a den

she said she's gonna go to women

and

uh explain things to them

and what and what

and what i said what do you mean go to

women he said in your community i said

what do you mean

you mean are you gonna accost people on

the street

are you gonna accost people at the

grocery store

are you gonna accom what are you gonna

do except bother people

who want to be doing anything else than

talk to you on their spare time we don't

have a public square anymore outside but

these motherfuckers think we're living

in the 1850s where motherfuckers are on

the top here gay here again get the

lightest time

here that's all i have here to get here

we've got president mckinley is

assassinated by anarchists let's all

talk about nobody's people don't do that

shit anymore eating crackheads is

organizing

thank you uh

jason turner yeah i feel like the

connelly house is that they're housing

crackheads and shit

and that's what they're doing what does

that have to do with a communist

political organization i just want to

know what these people mean by

organizing and i i have a bounty 250

dollars to one person who can come here

and justify it rationally a bounty of

250 dollars to anyone who can rationally

justify what the hell

why that's worthy of merit so this is

the leftist trying to get the uh

that sweet bounty go ahead

go ahead and speak

hello yeah

hear me yes i can hear you sir

all right so your question is what's the

difference between

organizing and

a crackhead

right yeah crackhead on the subway

yelling at people yes sir

well

sure let me break it down in terms of

bass terms so a kraken will do crack

cocaine on the subway

and an organizer

whether it be whether it be in the jobs

or whether it be canvassing working with

political parties

we'll talk with co-workers and

colleagues about certain issues

it can be something you can progress and

it can be something like improving the

workplace

better rights what have you all right

and in this scheme of building in the

scheme of building a communist party

what's the difference

well what do you mean

you just said the only difference i can

detect is volume the crackhead is

yelling and the person that you're

talking about is just talking

in a lower tone of voice so what is the

difference between a crackhead yelling

on the subway

and what you mean by organizing

well what i mean by organizing is

putting together a coalition a group of

people to then help spread the word

about all right that's how we're gonna

get so let's let's um think about this

so you're in a workplace of la and you

have like five people and you spread the

word to like let's say each of those

five people know five people so you just

spread the word to like 30 people the

word is spread now what now what

well if they in the case of the

workplace let's say that those five

people talk to other five people so now

there's 30 or more people that are

informed about the issues what i just

said i want to be part of the or yeah

and so they want to be a part of what

and so they get

they join in the idea of you know

building towards a better workplace

and so those people so you've all most

people

do you think most people are getting the

ideas that they have

uh from their workplace or from

something more centralized and universal

i mean it could be a mixture of both it

could be from here could be from people

that they know the way you're saying

you're saying improving the workplace

as as a potential example what does that

have to do with building a communist

party

well in order to build a coalition you

have or in order to build a communist

party you have to build the coalition

you need the numbers

i agree you need the numbers but i would

love to know how doing it in person gets

more numbers than doing it

through like universal medium

what do you mean by a universal medium

like you can get

i literally have like 300 people

listening to this right now

but not 300 like 400

and

in person you would reach like 15 people

at most

well it's oh it's simply another medium

to reach out to others

hey shaka's

shaka thinks something's funny so we

have to relieve shaka's uh

and their the thing is defeat the first

world so this better be someone living

in the third world

right

go ahead third world soldier

uh

um

like are you saying that like doing like

a twitter space is like

like what's the difference between like

a crackhead like on the street like

shouting at people and doing like a

twitter space like where you like

how is that any different i'm actually

gauging the part of people's attention

that wants to think about the world and

then more are you are you do you do you

really think that though like yes is

there just like a bunch of like random

like people like who don't we're never

like gonna do anything they're not like

actually being organized it doesn't

matter when people why doesn't that

matter if people want to know more about

the world and want to know more about

things on a higher level they tend to

so do you think that like stuff you do

on twitter is like more valuable than

doing stuff like actually out in the

real world

what do you mean by the real world i

mean like the real world doesn't like

isn't like um actually like

doing something and not just like

tweeting and like making videos and

stuff

give me an example

like organizing in the real world

like political give me an example of

what that is go ahead

okay like fucking

uh canvassing is one thing i don't know

there's

no you're not though you're telling

people right now that it's always the

time to do that so night night

i literally started this space and said

the name of the space is organizing the

wasteland or something because you don't

understand what i mean by organizing as

a waste of time okay explain it then

okay okay

you need to stop interrupting me you

fucking petulant okay corrective adhd

okay okay please okay

shut the fuck up all right please please

okay can you explain the fucking name of

the space then please doesn't make any

fucking sense what you're saying

because i just want to keep talking yeah

i keep trying to express you

okay all right

are you gonna interrupt me no explain

okay i'll explain it to you

most of the time

leftists say that all this shit is a

distraction and that we need to be in

the real world organizing instead i'm

saying that's a waste of time

what

okay

because organizing that's going to be

coming at the expense of the most

advanced means of disseminating

information is a waste of time whereas

canvassing for a communist leader in a

local election actually requires

to some extent

using this medium of dissemination of

information

as proven by how decisive the fucking

social media and the internet is for the

democrats and the republicans in midterm

elections and in presidential elections

why do you think big tech had to censor

so many fucking people why do you think

the cambridge analytical thing was a big

fucking deal because social media played

a decisive role in literal presidential

elections so any type of organizing okay

but you have 16 000 followers though

that's not that many like compared to

like what like like what fucking like

donald trump has right so you can't

really compare yourself to that so

okay so this is like someone telling you

to go

walk to a grocery store and you say

awesome you know shut the fuck up

someone tells you to go walk to the

grocery store and then you say but

that's like 5 000 steps and i've only

taken two steps well you have to keep

walking you have to start somewhere and

keep going okay so is your is your goal

to like because i don't really like know

you i'm just like my goal is to grow as

big as possible

and then what

like and then what happened and then

what and then what happened like and

then what's your like what you like

and then what happens

and then i grow an audience that

can be mobilized to like join the

communist party but you it's the title

of the space okay so then you would the

title of the space is organizing is a

waste of time what does the communist

party do what does the communist party

do

the communist party should get people

elected they organize

right to do things that's like that's

not what left this mean by organize give

me one ex give me one example you've

seen in recent memory where leftists

were saying we need to organize like get

people like steve estrada into power no

what they fucking mean is we need to go

on the street and accost strangers with

our specific ideology that's just what

crackheads do on the fucking subway

there's no that's kind of what you do on

here though right no it's not you

fucking idiot why is it different can

you explain why it's different please

yeah because i don't just cost strangers

to initiate them into my ideology i am

addressing the part of people's

attention that is actually interested in

learning things about the world and

learning things about these ideas so

when i'm on the subway for example i'm

trying to get from a to b from work to

home from home to work from home to the

grocery store whatever the fuck and i

don't want to be i'm not interested in

being bothered and accosted and having

my time halted when i want to do that

shit most people actually just go on the

internet and go consume some type of

media it's going to actually address the

part of their brain

that's actually fucking interested in

this shit in the first place oh okay

what i'm like strong twitter i'm trying

to get to like

like a to b and i see like you and like

all the people who like fucking weird

they have that weird thing like

this is the dumbest shit i've ever heard

in my life

so you're saying if someone's on the

subway trying to literally go to the

grocery store and they're getting

accosted by strangers and their space is

literally being invaded that's the same

thing as you

seeing my tweet on your timeline for

something no but like and you're trying

to get from it

right so like there's no one on twitter

like you're doing this

if i could just block the crackheads on

the subway there would be no problem if

i could block organizers

there'd be no problem

like in your ideal world what happens to

the to the crackheads on the subway

they they're removed from society

somehow and they're given the help they

need or whatever the help they need they

get removed from society

yes absolutely you i want a subway that

children can go on and be safe okay so

that okay so like violently

do you think a child would be safe

around a crackhead on the subway

do you

so do you so you so you're saying right

now that you think that like homeless

people who are addicted to drugs should

be like violently removed from society

you want to call it violent well i hope

there's no violence but i think they do

but you just i mean you just

i want a society where children are free

to uh be safe without having to worry

about be having their head ripped off by

someone who thinks for the second coming

of ronald mcdonald that's what i think

oh okay i guess we're kind of got we've

kind of gotten away from the main point

of like the organizing thing i feel like

you you're kind of doing this to like

justify being like

a guy who's online all of his time of

the day

and like trying to like make it seem

like you're actually doing something

when like you're not you know what i

mean okay because like actual flick

political organization like i mean look

i mean like you you need to need to use

like americans and answer my questions

uh sure yes okay

so when you say actually doing something

that sounds like it there's a lot of

weight to that but what does that

actually mean in practice go ahead wait

what is actually doing something mean in

practice

um actually doing something would be

like i don't know doing like

like going outside of like your home

okay doing things that require very

clear things that require very clear

that it somehow involves being offline

we get that but what are you actually

going to be doing and what is the result

i think that like literally the bare

minimum of anything political

like at all if your goal is to like

affect political change yeah like the

bare minimum of anything outside of

being on twitter is probably better than

having it then give me okay if it's the

bare minimum of anything you should have

no trouble naming i literally are i

literally i literally said i literally

said even just canvassing for some shit

showed you how the internet was so

decisive you didn't shut down

stupid fucking child mouth you did not

you didn't

i showed you how in the 2016 and 2020

elections the internet was so fucking

important for the objectives

got donald trump elected

what do you think the camera jacklinika

shit was about

wait i missed what you just say

the internet is literally decisive for

people to being able to get elected

today

like

not i mean

not

really as much as you would i mean like

you're it's like it sounds like you're

saying that like you think that people

like stephen crowder or nick fuentes or

like fucking uh kyle kolinsky or

whatever the fuck are like choco

you just told me not really the

internet's not that important as far as

who gets elected like it obviously is

but like i said earlier you have 16 000

followers donald trump had like fucking

100 million followers according to if

i'm not immediately at the level of

donald trump i should just give him so

your goal is to eventually so your goal

is to eventually get to amass enough of

a following online that you can affect

political change yeah solely through

sitting yes solely through sitting on

your fucking game

yes that's retarded dude that's stupid

as fuck

what are you talking about

because

because that's not that's the most like

that's like the like the gayest most

like first world shit i've ever heard in

my entire fucking life

dude

you just said first world where you live

i live in the fucking first world dude

and this has been the worst shit that

i've ever heard

you live in the first world with an

anime profile picture like it's just so

fun you're saying that's the most

fucking like delusional people are like

you know there's people in other

countries who like fight like civil wars

with like guns and shit and kill each

other dude

now you're over here

saying that you can affect political

change by getting like a bunch of

fucking followers on twitter like

dude you're the definition of a first

world andy because you were on

youtube andy you literally think that in

the third world

it's like this role i'm sure there's

like i'm sure there's like retards like

you in the third world too

dude

you literally are trying to larp as a

third world guerrilla fighter in the

show not that stupid fuck that the u.s

military has literally said that the

information war is the most important

battle space in the 21st century they

literally said that the fight for

people's minds and psychological warfare

is more important than fucking bombs and

guns and planes and that all those

things are downstream from that don't

take it from me literally hear what the

us military fucking says the infowar is

the most important plane of battle in

the 21st century i'm not saying that

that's what they say you're gonna beat

if anyone's larping it's fucking you

dude you're you spend all this time on

twitter acting like you're doing like

like you're trying to affect political

change on twitter that's like the

biggest fucking like how was that

what do you mean how am i because you

haven't done anything you haven't

actually ever done anything okay what

does it mean to do something

i mean i don't know man what's like a

goal that you have that what's a goal

that you've had that you achieved

through doing this besides just like

getting a lot of twitter

to flood followers communist party

that are my supporters that agree with

me about the changes necessary that need

to happen in that party you're stupid

so why are you joining the communist

party

why would you want people wait

the communist party as an individual and

just went out and literally joined them

physically and i would have told them my

fucking ideas they would have just

fucking banned me and i couldn't do

anything to change that fucking party

it's literally because of what i'm doing

here that i will never have any chance

of being able to if you think that

organizing is like a stupid like

retarded waste of time like like like

basically like a crackhead screaming on

the street why would you even want to

join the communist party why would you

even care about it why would i because

parties because i believe in the

necessity of a party of the working

class you dumb but the title of the

space you dumb fuck is organizing as a

waste of time yes it is and what every

time left is talking about a fucking

organ to do organizing for all intents

and purposes maybe you're autistic so i

have to tell you let's see

maybe i'm the autistic one doctor has

okay i have to explain to you very

technically then because most people

just get it and don't you have to have

everything be technically 100 correct

most people fucking got it

percent of the time

95 of the time when leftists use the

word organizing they're talking about

time wasting let's just say that would

be 95 percent of the times

wait how are what do you mean

where they're talking about what do you

mean communists elected into power okay

that's like five percent what are you

okay what do you think we're gonna have

a majority

meaning of the word organizing has come

to mean

wasting your fucking time so you can

have social capital and make it seem

like you can brag about something on the

fucking internet and and and have your

information prevail over others because

no i'm not i'm not more experienced in

the real world and that therefore your

words have more weight and i'm more

experienced so my words should have more

ninety-five percent of the way sometimes

what is that in larping

larping how how is it larger this is

some form of leveraging your fucking

social capital and just being like i've

done things in the real world it has led

to like no results and doesn't actually

lead to any results it gives the false

pretense in the veneer but you're

somehow more experienced

like you understand that right like in

subway the seep like what's the part

like the fucking cpu or whatever that's

not gonna ever do anything that's never

gonna be a thing you know that oh oh i

didn't know you were god

i am and i know and i know

that you don't know literally knows

everything and every potentiality and

every possible okay can we get can we

get in the chat can we get like hearts

if you think that one day the cp usa

will become like a like a revolutionary

vanguard and uh like patriotic communism

or like like when you're narcotics

if you believe in cpusa 2036 chat hearts

if you believe cpusa 2036.

zero hearts i think all these people are

here to laugh at you

literally look at my stream right now

no i don't i don't even know where

it's literally flooded exclusively with

hearts

your stream is fighting with hearts okay

mine's flooded with laughter yeah what

they all believe you look like a fucking

idiot right now they literally all

believe this

they all believe they all

are going to turn the cp usa into a

revolutionary vanguard party that's

going to like over that's going to like

fucking uh usher in an age of like

patriotic communism in america they all

believe that uh we didn't first of all

it's going to usher in an age of

communism i don't know why you have to

have prefixes to it that's what i don't

know what your whole thing is to be

honest i'm just like but i'm going to

see

you're one of those patriotic

let me explain to you the anime profile

picture the anime profile okay okay now

we're going to talk about okay now we're

going to let's go okay now we're going

to talk about the profile because he

doesn't want to respond

to perspective you're a pervert and

you're a psychotic okay from a cycle in

a little yeah from a psychological

perspective if you're a fucking loser

yeah what are you doing

i'll explain you a question so the

animated profile picture wait can i wait

this is why this is why because the

anime profile picture as la khan pointed

out the psychological khan pointed out

about the enemies the psychotic and the

pervert

think they know

the object of all desire they identify

with the object of the other's desires

that's why that's what means

disgusting

if you go back

if you actually have ready if you

actually

i'm gonna mute this degenerate because

they're talking about marks they don't

know what they're talking about

i'm gonna say yeah i'm gonna say my

piece first so you're just gonna keep

getting muted um and if you keep unmute

yourself again i'm just gonna fucking

disconnect you so the anime pervert

thinks they know the object of all this

guy they know the object of the other's

desire and that's why these animes come

if you encounter them in the wild

they'll always be like isn't this anime

oh you really like this anime cartoon

you think it's really hot you think it's

really attractive no we don't that's

just you you're the only one who thinks

that no one else fucking thinks that

except weird people like you but you

assume we all think you think we all

think your anime profile is cute or

something it's ugly weird and disgusting

and degenerate nobody thinks it's cute

nobody think it looks pleasing but you

somehow think you've tapped into the

essence of cuteness and kawaii and you

think you've tapped into the essence of

what people fucking find fucking you

that's why you're a bunch of perverts

that's why you fall under the classical

psychoanalytic definition of a pervert

and a psychopath and you're worse than

the crackhead on the fucking subway now

go ahead

pictures

yours looks weird as fuck bro come on

yeah you have a weirdest fuck profile

first of all why is it why okay so it's

like because you're like in for a has or

whatever the fuck um you you like i

don't know you're just like an ugly dude

i don't know what else to say but like

what do you look like first

second of all um actually no you can't

because i'm pretty sure that you have

like insane more like rabid followers

that would try to rape me so i'm not

going to show you what it looked like um

because i mean i've talked to them

before they're all pretty insane dude

also i found i found out that you're

this is an 18 months

old by the way i found out that you're

um this is an 18 plus thing

i'm 22. i found out that your stream is

subs only so maybe that's why they're

all agreeing with you in there i don't

know though maybe that might not be the

reason why but i feel like it probably

is also

what the fuck were we even talking about

before we went on this one

if you were a hater you could literally

just click the sub button talk your shit

so do you think that there's an unsub oh

okay okay so that's why that's why so

that's why all of the people who sub to

you are agreeing with you

is because that they all like you so

much that like

turn it off i'm gonna turn it off and

then we'll do it again

and also like also you just said all

your stuff and we'll do it again

wait can i can i i see another one

sub only mode and we'll just do it again

no i don't really care i'm not watching

your fucking stream but can i ask you a

question okay what is your like job like

what do you do for like a living

i'm a stream but you're not like you're

a streamer okay

you're a streamer

yes that's like your job

yes

how much money do you make streaming

uh

on twitch about 5 000 a month

holy shit for real

yeah

you should dude holy fuck what do you

think of people like vaj

or like hassan piker what do you think

of those guys or like that is running

from debate for me and i don't care

about him again okay but what do you

think about him as a person though

i think he's a disgusting degenerate

okay why

did you see his discord logs

no yeah all that stuff sure but do you

think there's anything okay uh what

about hassan

what do you think of him

uh i feel bad for him because i

anticipate he's gonna fall off very soon

yeah i died i mean i'm not i don't like

hassan personally i don't think i mean

you're not overtaking him or anything

like that

so like

i don't know why he would fall off if

like that's what you you're implying

um like

but like i mean for me personally i

think that like being a streamer and

making money off of streaming is like a

disgusting way to live that's like a

disgusting way to make a living um

because you're like leeching off the

society uh you're not like producing

anything you're not doing anything about

it you want me to do this full time they

want me that's like yeah you're like

sucking dick for money basically

would i exp go ahead and explain how

i've ever had to pander to anyone

or compromise you have to pander to i

mean

maybe you've gotten so lucky that you

found like a small group of like really

dumb like motherfuckers who like fuck

with you i guess

so dude i've actually banned donators

i've banned

uh huge donators i've banned them for a

while

i've literally called them i've

literally talked shit today

who exactly do i compromise with for

donations

i'm not saying you i mean i don't really

i don't care if you're compromising your

beliefs or not anyways these things

because they seem stupid but like i'm

just saying that streaming in general

like being a stream making five thousand

dollars a month how do you like live

with yourself well like i don't like

that's disgusting to me that's horrid

there's no worse way you know like

that's such a let me let me grow let me

uh let me let me get this how are you

just calling yourself a communist

and you make five thousand dollars

okay what would the difference be if i

worked for a media company and just got

a salary working as a journalist the

difference would be like if you if you

worked um

uh

the difference would be like if you

worked like a job for a wage and were

like a member of the like the prologue

a job for a wage no but lenin was like a

revolutionary vanguard leader marx was

marx uh

was a political economist how did marx

make his money

starting out uh

didn't marx not really even have much

money didn't work to get money sent to

him by fucking amazing money how did he

make money

apparently owning shit probably i don't

fucking think

this is fucking trivial i don't fuck by

writing are you comparing it are you

actually journaling yourself he was a

journalist you stupid fuck all right

okay you stupid fuck are you actually

comparing yourself to marx and angles

and lenin right now

is that all fucking delusional you are

preparing me you're a twister you are

you are because you just did it you just

said you

you just said i have to work for a wage

or else i'm not a real communist

how does that square with the fact that

the major communist leaders in history

did not work wage labor jobs

wait i'm sorry i wasn't paying attention

can you say that again you said in order

to be a communist i have to work for a

wage how do you square that with the

fact that almost all communist leaders

in history did not work for wages

i have not i did not say that in order

to be conscious you have to work for a

wage what i did what i did say though

was that you were a legion society and

you make five thousand dollars a month

by basically lying to people and

basically getting and honestly

by making people politically impotent

and making communist movements in this

country which aren't a thing anyway but

making them even uh like even harder to

uh like come to

because you're retarded and you have

people who believe the retarded things

you say do you get what i'm saying

how does that that's your opinion how

does that make comments no it's not my

opinion that's like a fact like like you

probably are like like how do you prove

it i mean you should probably go get a

diagnosis i don't know how to prove it

honestly but like

i feel like you're most of it but you're

saying it that it's i mean i can't prove

that you are like mentally uh

challenged but you sound like you are

for example the ideas you have examples

for this this entire conversation i'm

literally i'm

okay i'm literally like

like i'm literally like a dumbass like

i'm literally like a fucking stupid no

we know but as an example and how i am

and like and like you sound and i'm

insane and you sound insane i don't

think i sound insane i just think you've

been screaming at me for like the past

like 15 minutes

just because i'm saying things that you

didn't think were possible doesn't make

me insane it just makes me what did i

not think was possible i think you

didn't think it was possible that people

could use the most advanced form of the

dissemination wow you're right i'm so

mind blown at what you've accomplished i

did you really did what i didn't think

was possible bro that's crazy i'm just

gonna let me finish you stupid fuck okay

finish okay finish this is why i want to

say the slurp okay

you didn't think it was possible for

someone to use the most advanced form

for the dissemination of information to

actually interact with the world in some

kind of political way you didn't think

that was possible especially someone who

wasn't coming from an already

established background and i'm telling

you that i do believe it's possible and

you think that's insane but you haven't

actually rationally explained that it's

insane beyond the fact that you've never

heard of it before so you had the onus

is on you to explain why it's insane

beyond the fact that you've never heard

of that before or you're not familiar

with leftists thinking that way so go

ahead

okay so

a part of like the fucking problem with

what you do okay is that you don't

actually act on any of the things that

you say you don't have any projects you

don't have any ability to meet have

money

to pay my bill the movements with

workers you pay your bills great dude

that's awesome you don't actually do

anything political though with what you

do you don't actually have a way of

doing that and you said you you flooded

the fucking cpusa with with how many

people was it like tens of people that

would listen to your stream

there's a million people in the dsa

listen to a fucking hassan if they've

done anything like no no it doesn't

actually it's like doing this is such an

important fucking platform like

if anything

what you're saying was possible then how

come there aren't like millions dude

listen

was that the flare you were scared to

say was that the third you were afraid

no i wanted to say a really more harsh

one what was the what what like were you

good

i'm not allowed to say it anyway um

okay all right so he okay so let's get

this on the record yeah um

dude you're so fucking stupid like if

what you're saying was like true why

wouldn't there be like millions of like

um fucking hassan zoomers like mobbing

in the streets right now because assange

doesn't use his platform for what i want

how do you use yours differently

i don't have the reach or money hassan

makes yet

you like you you think that like people

like okay even if people like what you

like do like even if you have supporters

like enough to where like you're able to

make money by like by like watching your

stream that doesn't actually mean that

they'll go and do anything right you

know that most people who watch fucking

hassan like and it sounds so fucking

stupid

fucking twitch streamers hassan doesn't

actually i'm talking about hassan

because he's the biggest

political purposes he just isn't he just

covers news he said that he decided to

discover news okay so what's the

difference what's the difference okay

who's a better example who does use

their besides you

no one

you're the only so what do you do

differently like exactly give me an

example so this whole thing i do rests

on a specific plan of taking over the

cpu usa okay what's the plan

the plan is that we flood the cpusa with

my followers they can seal their views

until the next elections and then once

that happens we can take over the party

and use

the infrared media has that been

happening combined and the goal will be

to combine

does this end with you being like god

we use the infrared media platform

to help the party candidates who get

elected like steven estrada and local

offices

to flood the country with communist

party members and you do it all sitting

in your gaming chair

and like at the end of the at the end of

the fucking i don't think you understand

how politics works you think i'm like

doctor and i can be everywhere at once

dude but you realize that just because

someone's like listening to the things

that you're saying you could have

thousands you could have millions of

people who like watch every one of your

streams and that doesn't mean that any

of them are going to get off their fat

neat fucking asses

how did aoc get elected

um but grassroots organizing right now

like that's how she don't read people on

campus for her probably in her district

and people didn't like the game before

the grassroots organizing you fucking

illiterate retard how did she get how

did she

i don't know how did she get elected the

justice democrats who made the justice

democrats

who are the justices where did the money

come from who made that who

i don't hate it who i don't tell them

the idea and get to the pastor you're

trying to make it fucking t.i.t and kyle

kolinsky you stupid retards do you think

that you have fucking even half of the

money or resources that fucking the

young turks had the young turks weren't

half of the money or the resources they

had when they first started out either

dumbass when they were in their first

year of operation they weren't that they

you're you're such a okay

somebody has to immediately have

millions of followers

i've been here for a year and i have to

already have millions of followers to

even have a chance what do you how do

you think people build a following you

dumb fuck

what a stupid thing to say what a

literally stupid fucking brain dead

fucking retarded thing to say your

mother your mother never told you you

were a retard because you came home with

bad grades she never traumatized you

into intelligence and that's why you run

your mouth like a literal retard in my

fucking space just running your mouth

saying stupid shit with no shame because

your mother and your father never beat

you into intelligence that's why you

come into my fucking spaces

like is that why you're so smart now

because you got beat over the head a

bunch by your dad

no

no and how did you get so smart i have

an asian upbringing for school oh like

like every other immigrant family

i actually do too i'm actually chinese

no you're kidding yeah but they clearly

didn't shame you into intelligence you

clearly were fucking watching anime the

whole time so

wow that was kind of racist of you

because you're not having an anime

picture you dumb fucking kid wait what

race are you

are you white

why does this matter right

i'm asking i'm just yes or no are you

white yes you are i'm middle eastern

okay okay what kind of middle eastern

are you

you're white at least 21 questions why

does it matter

because it's going to be relevant for

the next thing that i ask you

okay so i'm just going to say you are

white or else you would have said no by

now okay i'm chinese and you just said

that i'm stupid and that my parents

didn't do a good job raising me because

even though i'm chinese i'm still this

stupid that's an incredibly racist vile

thing for somebody who wants to like

nobody knew you were in this like like a

major part of changing that they see

that

that's insane dude that's wild how would

anyone how would that even be possible

when nobody fucking knew what your

ethnicity was when i was in chinese i

just said it a million fucking times so

retroactively i was after i said no

because i saw i said consciously

so i know you're streaming someone has

it on your stream then i said i'm

chinese you said your parents did a poor

job right that's what i said no i said

that after i said your parents didn't

beat you

okay can we get someone else on the on

the mic please like a third person can i

request a third person and i'll take a

back seat for a second why

because i need a third i want a little

because you're yelling at me and coming

at me a lot and i need someone else here

to like kind of take something okay

because you keep interrupting me and you

talk so aggressively but it's like what

is

or you're giving us something of

substance but you're running your mouth

sounding retarded saying dumb shit we

already know what you're saying you

don't justify any of it you just get

high off of your own fucking stupidity i

tell you wait a simple question question

question

question what is organizing oh um it

would be like like doing anything like

you're just doing things like yes i mean

yeah what do you mean dude there's like

a millionaire they're trying to signal

organizing is such a you're trying to

fucking perform

what are you talking about you're trying

to signify something that sounds like it

has substance but when i actually press

you on it can i please can i please get

a second mic please please you're trying

you're trying

you're trying to can you please make

something that sounds like it has

substance to it when i press you on it

there's no such thing

okay okay can i just re-state what i was

like what i was saying originally which

is that yeah do these things

i don't really know what you do

um in general but i assume okay like

given this space i wanna no no shaka i

want to obey you and be virtuous and be

a real guy okay who's doing real things

so what do i do shotgun

no no no no

okay um you i uh

i don't really know if i should say

should i like volunteer for a soup

kitchen

i mean you should probably jump off a

bridge or something too it's like i

don't know okay

like should i volunteer for a charity

drive

um i don't think that there's like

literally anything you could ever

possibly do that would ever um

like undo the damage you've done and

undo like getting five thousand dollars

a month off of twitch like for how long

however long you've been doing that i

don't think i think you're completely

like so i think like maybe just keep

doing okay just keep doing what you're

doing you're just about to be working

for buzzfeed i would be fine right

um

i mean it'd be better for sure so each

one would be like pretending that you

had like a political like bent to it but

at least you wouldn't be pretending that

you were like doing something meaningful

like yeah that would be better i like

more respectfully

pretend you do anything this is what my

audience thinks

if my audience doesn't want to support

me anymore

they just won't support me it's not

about that it's fine if they support you

or not i'm just saying like did i tell

my audience

did i tell them if you don't support me

uh the world's gonna end or some shit

yeah it kind of sounds like it yeah

because you just laid out this entire

insane plan that's never gonna fucking

happen about it i never told them

there's a guarantee and everything so

after you guys take over the cpu then

what happens

grow the party by fielding candidates

like steve estrada is doing and i use my

media okay and then what happens and

then what's your end play goal

what's your like goal the end goal is

the end goal a proletarian dictatorship

do you so and you're so you you're gonna

be like you're gonna be like the white

uh lennon right

that's your goal i don't have to be the

white lenin

we want to fight for our party and grow

the party of the american working class

you're asking us what our existential

motivation for this is kid

that's not on us to explain to you what

inspires why did i do this

what if i was like what if i was like uh

then go to church if you're looking for

meaning go no i mean no wait wait what

if i was like i mean i'm like a worker

right i'm a worker no you're not you're

a degenerate i'm a degenerate you're a

twitch streamer bro

i work for like a w

i don't go to work every day i'll starve

to death okay so i don't know like what

the fuck you're talking about um by like

most standards of like the world uh

you're really like the parasitic like

degenerate right because you said that

that might be true hold on

he goes as a class that might be true

what do you disagree with in that

statement

wait what i don't disagree it's just

funny that you would like say that about

yourself

marx called

uh people who don't work marx called me

earlier and he said that you were really

gay

and they that he hated you so

everyone

everyone always says that i just yell

over people and yell at people

why do i do that to me like quite a bit

yeah but i'm trying to actually

rationally push back on what you're

saying and interrogating

no you're not you've spent like 20

minutes talking about how i have an

anime profile picture okay let's

rationalize that rational let's let's

rationally explain this okay let's

rationally walk through what you know i

don't want to get back down to the whole

anime pro qualification okay um but like

no no you just said i'm a parasite and i

said that might be true as a class can

you just ask me for the same questions

this is the honest question i have to

mute you okay i have to meet you so

angles frederick engels owned a factory

and he was a capitalist and i'm not

saying that means i'm the same thing as

angles oh how are you comparing yourself

to angles no i'm using this as a logical

point to illustrate that there's a

difference between

something significant at the level of a

class and something significant at the

level of an individual okay so while it

may be true that twitch streamers are

social parasites

that isn't enough to satisfy

judging qualitatively what i am and what

i'm all about because i'm an idea guy so

you have to engage with me at that level

you can't just say how's you're not a

starving third world uh person in africa

or something that's not an argument you

have to actually engage with the

substance of what i'm saying you can't

just point out how i'm privileged or how

i make money every month um that's

because while the argument may be

applied to the class that's different

from an individual because

and clearly there's a discontinuity

because marx and engels were not

proletarians and most communists in

history by the way in terms of communist

leaders were not proletarians either

okay yeah okay thank you for adding that

second part because

the okay most common is okay okay listen

like can i ask you a question like an

honest question and just like

okay so this whole thing about how

you've been saying that like doing

online work is important which honestly

sure it is i guess yeah it to a degree

but but let me ask you this do you

consider what we're doing right now and

like or at least i don't know anymore

but like when you started this space did

like do you consider this to be a part

of that work that you do to advance this

cause you have

yeah i really want to i want to push

back on the people who obfuscate and say

the information war isn't the worst you

realize that i'm nothing right like no

one knows who i am i don't have i don't

have but you're like the same arguments

that my enemies do but you but but you

just spent like i don't know

of what my enemies are saying about me

i don't know who your enemies are do you

have enemies

uh so you're basically

i shouldn't be wasting time with you i

shouldn't be taking you seriously i mean

i'm not i mean it's funny you are it's

funny that you are i guess so should i

should i just not be taking you

seriously then

i mean i'm not really taking you

seriously at all but i mean

so you don't actually have any arguments

you don't have actually have anything to

say i mean i've just i mean i've been

saying a lot i guess i mean like what

you've done i've rationally engaged

everything you've said in terms of its

substance but i mean you've but you've

also been getting really really really

mad because it's like really obvious

because because you keep making

arguments and then asking me questions

and when i answer them right in the

middle of answering you you fucking go

on a tangent with yourself because

you'll say

that i have to address

you have to demonstrate it's goofy

before you muster the audacity to

interrupt me you have to rationally walk

us through why it's somehow irrational

or goofy before you start interrupting

me because it's not a given

there's i have plenty of followers i

don't think it's a given i have plenty

of followers

who for whom maybe there's a lot of

people who agree with you reflexively

and and uh intuitively but there's

plenty of people who don't so that means

you actually have to justify your

position instead of assuming everyone

already agrees with you

and then and then mustering the audacity

to somehow try and silence me and

fucking speak over me so yeah

yeah i am gonna fucking talk about your

animation

because you are exhibiting the traits

you are exhibiting all the traits of a

pervert in the psychoanalytic sense of

someone who thinks they actually know

you're a twitch streamer dude do you

want to go through like the fucking

record of twitch streamers being fucking

sexual uh perverts and uh sex pests and

degenerates i don't think you really do

right you're in the same classes like

vosh right

so i don't really know if you like want

to talk

on twitch

because of the one good thing you said

about israel right so i don't really

think you want to like

uh

talk talk to me about you all the only

thing you know about me is

like i can go out and find out

everything i already know everything i

need to know about you from this though

in your job and your income level okay

and the fact that you've been spending i

mean okay i asked you a rational

question i asked you

okay guys returning you a question can i

ask you a question really quick you

think you're a journalist

no i said if i worked as a journalist

for a company and made the same amount

of money why is that somehow more

honorable than what i'm doing now

um i mean i guess in certain cases it

definitely wouldn't be right i don't i

don't i'm not a fan of like journalists

in general right but like but even then

there are clearly people are there

clearly is a need and there's clearly a

want well a journalist so a journalist

goes

i guess it depends on what type of

journal it's right you could be a sports

journalist right where you go out and

you go someone who has their own talk

show working for a a media company

um

like give me an example of a person do

you mean like fucking like trevor noah

or some shit

it could be someone like that it could

be something like george galloway it

could be the people who worked for rt

doing their own uh specifically i don't

like those okay i don't like those

people either um and you think that

they're also dishonorable for making

money doing what they're doing

um

well

kind of yeah i mean well okay that's all

you gotta tell me because the majority

there's a few different ways there's a

few that's all you need to tell me

there's a few different ways to look at

it right okay because on one hand

um people like that um i mean if you're

talking about like late night fucking

hosts they're like millionaire

celebrities okay obviously their parents

okay so you talk about like journalists

from like fucking like rt or like tyt

like that type of shit okay you know you

know what media i think that people i

think that

reporters and journalists who make money

by doing my reporting on events and uh

doing journalism for different magazines

or fucking newspapers or journals or

whatever the fuck yeah i think they are

that is probably a more honorable way to

make a living than what you do why what

do you mean why because they actually do

something they actually go out and like

look at like oh look what happened over

here let me write about it and then i'm

going to let go and people are going to

sell we're going to someone's going to

take my labor and sell this paper and

then pay me a wage wait based on it

and it's not about at least they're

having like a some sort of surplus being

stolen from them you're literally just

the leads

can i respond to that without you

freaking out interrupting me i haven't

been freaked out there's two things

there's two things i garner from that

the one argument is that they're writing

instead of using video so i don't know

if that's a significant variable in your

argument the second thing is that the

reporting news about things that are

happening something i do almost every

single day so no you don't no you don't

because you sit on your ass in your

gaming show all day and like like look

at twitter and that's what you report on

right

i'm assuming

yesterday uh i have no fucking idea i

don't know who you are i found out about

you today wait then how do you how do

you know if you're like i've seen your

twitter account i've seen your twitter

account before but you i know it's

correct because you told me

because you told me that you make five

thousand dollars a month twitch stream

which means i know that you're not on

twitch

i don't know bro i don't but i know what

i'm doing

i don't care but i know that you're not

going out like a fucking war zone and

reporting on shit right i know you're an

actual

you're not talking about journalists

reporting on the news

you're talking about journalists who are

physically going to the places that

they're reporting on which are a

minority of journalists

okay

what the fuck are you asking me to do

this i'm just talking to you like you're

trying there's like an i'm trying to

make it seem like there's something it's

somehow significant also okay so like

there's you said i should be ashamed of

myself for the job yes you should be you

should be horribly ashamed i mean sure

so should a lot of journalists

okay so the journalists who don't

physically go to the locations that

they're reporting on should be also be

ashamed

uh i i mean like i don't know what the i

mean it like depends on what they

fucking do bro like i mean give me an

example of somebody

um

okay

literally any journalist

i just said give me an example of

somebody and you said literally anybody

okay that doesn't help me

how about the

what was his name again who worked for

the financial times that got me banned

his name was like i don't know why they

know that they leave the financial times

okay what was their job

they were they wrote for the financial

times so they were like a staff writer

for the financial times yes

okay that's more honorable than what you

do yes they do work

because they they do work for a living

i'm sure that they're a shitty person so

i don't know what the financial times is

okay but how do they do work

because they write i assume they write

articles right so they probably have

deadlines they have to meet they

probably have a variety that's

significant they probably have like a

boss that they report to

right now

it's like it's really funny so you're

saying two things you're saying one

the physical oh my god dude are you like

asking me like what the domination

you're saying one the physical act of

writing

two

instead of speaking they're just writing

and then two

they actually you have to are you making

money

are you making money right now on your

stream like as we talk

not really no

okay but like but how do you okay so how

does it work so you're streaming this

right are people watching it are they

paying you as they watch it like

or you're you have subs

that are giving you hearts in your chat

you said so like how does that work so i

don't understand how any i'm not a

twitch person so i stream i'm like

genuinely here i stream live to an

audience every night okay and then they

and they they subscribe to watch your

stream

no they usually donate to me or they

become a member of the uh twit the

youtube

so your stream is like free to watch but

then a lot of times people who watch

that they'll donate to you what do they

get if they don't do you

they don't they don't get anything

they're just doing it

okay but like

but this so right now you're streaming

this and there's people watching it who

might possibly end up donating to you

because they they've liked your

performance in this like heated like um

little twitch debate we've been having

right

so you could call this like so this is

what you do for a living

that's pathetic bro we're in a twitter

space thank you for talking to me yeah

but i'm i'm i'm just to address i'm here

to address

the opportunity to address again i'm

getting really i'm honestly i'm kind of

fucked up right now i'm kind of tired

what are we addressing i i think so this

is an example i'm trying to rationally

engage with you about this okay we're

actually engaging i'm actually yeah so

you're saying

that it's pathetic this is what i do for

a living and yet most of the leftists

and most people in general

are pushing back against me constantly

giving me shit for doing this so wait

most leftists are pushing so i'm open to

hearing what i should really be doing

instead of this

can i ask you okay i don't mean to cut

you off again but

most leftists are pushing back against

you

do you think most leftists know who you

are

yes because

they don't you have 16 000 followers on

twitter i don't know

that doesn't mean i wouldn't say

okay okay nationally in america yeah you

really think that

yeah

it depends on what you're left with you

just mean that

you just mean no i don't

radical leftists like people who know

about marxism and that kind of stuff

yeah yeah most of them know about me

you're out of your fucking mind dude

you're out of here

most of them definitely know are you do

you take like adderall or anything like

that or any like sort of like um

stimulants

it sounds like you do because you can't

even no like i'm just asking you no i'm

asking you you can't even have a

conversation without

uh getting you like by the way the

stupid thought that comes through yeah

we know you do tyler but but do you

though

just yes or no no i don't take any drugs

i don't you're fucking come on dude

you're you're this delusional you're

this fucked up that you think most

leftists know you and are working

against you and you're telling me i

don't think that's

what the what's the thing

so-called socks are a thing what's

what's what the fuck what is that i've

never heard of that in my life

well what are you doing you how did you

get i'm a leftist i'm a leftist in

america

okay well i said moles and i've never

heard of it what the fuck that is so

what is it it's double explain it to me

please

uh well if you if you tweet about it

you'll probably get like 2 000 likes so

why don't you just okay if i tweet okay

if i tweet about like fucking jerking

off all night like i'll get two thousand

likes okay that doesn't mean anything so

what explained to me i think we should

do a test tweet about pat socks

and tweet about that and see which one

gets more likes and it has to be

negative about pad socks

oh okay i will what what is what is that

though can you explain what it is like

you're calling it patriotic socialist

you knew about that you said oh

yeah i know what that is oh yeah no

that's not becoming a thing already your

fucking mind

but you knew about it

i knew about it because like i'm like

addicted to twitter thank you alexander

appreciate you

okay um what will you just talk about

your whole fucking example just

collapsed because you didn't know what

it was wait wait wait wait wait that's a

twitter thing

that's like a twitter it's not okay you

you think that's all right do you think

most leftists in america like the

radical left type you think they're on

twitter or they're not on twitter

oh my god dude i think that most people

in america don't know what the fuck a

pet stock is and i think most leftists

if you were to ask like if you mean like

even dsa people if you ask them what's a

pad sock they would say i don't know and

then you would say it's a patriotic

socialist and they would say okay that

sounds really fucking stupid would open

right first of all so maybe so okay you

might even be a big okay you know who

else is pretty big on like left twitter

right is um fucking like

i don't know fucking uh what's her name

the merrick bitch like there's so many

people that are big on twitter

this is a great example of a um

very failed use of logic

like you think that the wait okay okay

you're gonna have to when you're gonna

this is not like this is this whole

weird weird thing you do please don't

okay so you just said most americans

don't know what a pat sock is when what

we were talking about was the radical

left

okay and i asked you

do you think most of these leftists are

on twitter and you responded to me by

that by saying that most americans don't

care about that i didn't ask you if most

americans cared about it i asked you if

most radical leftists are on twitter

you didn't respond to me you then

claimed that if you went to a dsa

meeting and you asked them about the pat

socks they wouldn't know what it is

i'm just gonna go ahead and press x to

doubt on that i think they do know what

it is at least one person in that

meeting would know what it is

uh and you know if you want to say

that's not true i mean you can try and

substantiate that somehow but other than

that it's going to be literally a

consequence of intuition

okay so literally what this is now going

to devolve into if we like like go like

like go down this any further it's like

us arguing about like which um uh like

uh fringe online leftist twitter click

has more clout that's what you're like

arguing right now

no it's not yes it is that's what this

is you literally just i don't think you

remember how we got to this um

conversation

okay no dude i'm pretty sure

that you guys made up like a few years

ago okay it's not taking off all right

it's not a thing all right you're

delusional no okay i think you just kind

of you're confused and you got lost

about what we were actually arguing

about okay help me out okay help me get

back on track so

i said

that the reason i'm doing this space is

because i'm constantly getting

reproached wait i have a friend who's

going to do the pad stock test tweet for

you because i have a locked account and

i don't want to unlock my account so hey

can i ask you a question

yeah sure why the fuck did you just

interrupt me little bitch shut the fuck

up because i don't get because i fucked

up you because i don't

shut the fuck up

i think you i think you seriously

like have you never been diagnosed with

any

shut the fuck up

as i was saying

i told you that i'm constantly getting

screaming alone in his house training

you i want to say the word so fucking

bad i want to say it say it say it say

it

about how we got here okay

i'm gonna run it if you interrupt me one

more time it's gonna kick you and you

what are you gonna what are you gonna

call me are you gonna are you gonna say

it if you interrupt me again you've just

surrendered to me and admitted that you

can't actually hold your own in an

actual uh debate about this okay so

walking it back what you told me what i

said is that

leftists are reproaching me

about the need to do real organizing in

the real world instead of waging what

the us military has said is the most

important plane of battle space of

battle which is the information war that

battle space is the most important one

according to them not me okay

and

i am trying to push back on that

obfuscation because i think what

communists need to be doing is

sharpening their ability to reach people

on a large scale and i think that's

important and when i immediately when i

said that leftists are approaching you

for this you're like do you think even

leftists even know who you fucking are

and that's how we got to this we did not

get to this by arguing about who has

more clout we got to this by whether it

was justified for me to say

that i can push back on what leftists

are approaching me with the majority of

leftists who encounter me say to push

back and criticize me about that's what

we're addressing so if you just thought

rationally about this like a human being

instead of running your fucking mouth

because you were never actually

instilled with the discipline and shame

of of having to be intelligent you just

were raised in such a way that you can

run your mouth without anyone telling

you you're a dumb fuck you would be able

to follow what this conversation was

actually about in the first place now go

away can i talk now okay thank you no we

got here because you said that you in

particular

and your stream have the uh ability to

one day affect actual political uh

change right right by like invading the

cpu usa or whatever the fuck which is a

like

which is a completely impotent fucking

useless organization by the way um which

is not true and then the way that you

said you were going to do that

was uh by accumulating enough followers

on twitter wait did you demonstrate that

it's not true and i didn't say twitter

by the way but did you say uh did you

say that was not true

say what was not true

you said well it's not true you're not

going to be able to actually yeah you're

yes i already i've said that a million

times dude that's like why you're mad

have you proven that or did you just say

it

i mean like i feel like it's kind of

obvious that you're just like a deranged

lunatic dude

like it's not like yeah but

explain why that is

what what about why are you a deranged

lunatic that could never even like

come close to figuring out how to like

do any of the things that you just said

you wanted to do

seeing like a lot of people in me like

you're using me as like a

you're seeing like bullies you've had or

something than me right now i'm not

using you to stress common arguments

against me yes

okay and it's making you so worked up

that you're like literally shouting at

like you have neighbors no because

you're constantly interrupting me that's

the fucking but do you have neighbors

can they hear that okay that does has

nothing to do with it okay i was just

curious i am trying to

actually follow through with the course

of argumentation and you're trying to

pivot away stop using that type of like

what you're doing

you're pivoting away from the actual

line of argumentation you committed to

because you know you can't what's your

okay what do you what do you want me to

address

okay i want you to specifically address

this have you actually proven that it's

not possible

uh for the infrared project to ever have

any impact on the real world

um

yeah yeah i did okay how have you done

that because i don't remember you doing

that

karl marx just texted me and said that i

did

so you don't have an argument and he

said that you were um really dumb in

that uh all right so okay do the cocaine

giving you an opportunity

can you not interrupt me please um i

didn't know about the patriotic

socialist shit um until i got on twitter

and i was a socialist before i was on

twitter um

on twitter as a socialist

i was

in or i was

in a socialist organization i'm not

going to say that

in a fucking stream with like like what

the fuck is wrong with you all right

um

but no i've never like heard of this

outside of twitter your argument i've

heard your argument okay okay and what's

your response hold on when did you

actually leave the org and go on twitter

well

i mean

i guess i started getting

more on here like a year ago okay that's

perfect so here's the logical flaw in

your argument

so infrared started a year ago so you

can't fuck is infrared okay

you're gonna not interrupt me again or

i'm removing you i don't know what

you're not interruption is going to be a

submission on your part and you lost the

debate okay

can you explain what that is though

please infrared is the name of the

multimedia organization i belong to so

infrared started the project more or

less started a year ago

and let's just say i started streaming a

year ago if

since your panties are in a bunch about

it i started a year ago okay

you can't actually test whether or not

you would have

heard of me within your org not being on

twitter

because

when you were off twitter i was not even

streaming

so it was only after i actually started

to become relevant in any kind of way

that you started to hear about me now

whether that's just because you joined

twitter or whether someone in your org

would have said something about it

uh has yet to be tested so

the argument you just made

is completely worthless

okay i guess it's like obviously not

possible right now in a twitter space to

go like pull

every like

american leftist and ask if they've

heard of you

but i will say that if we were to do

that most of them would probably say no

right can you imagine what basis do you

say that

what the fuck do you mean on what basis

do i say that you're getting a little

upset but you're a twitch streamer i

just asked you a calm question

most oh my god dude

you don't have to get in frustrated i'm

not getting frustrated because because

it's frustrated when you interrupt me

but you get upset and frustrated when i

ask you a simple question i get like

frustrated when you say something that's

like monumentally retarded okay why is

it monumentally retarded

because like you really i don't know you

really just are like a delusional as

fuck guy like you truly are women

argument you have to support that

you have 16 000 followers on twitter

vosh who

vosh okay has 209 000 followers on

twitter okay and that's not even a good

i guess that's not a good one yeah how

does that gauging how many people know

about you or whatever you might be you

might have a short memory your ram is

running out as an npc so he's been

around longer than you but i'm sure he

grew faster than you are right

you definitely didn't i don't know

okay what's your growth like how like

i would just be pretty phenomenal

okay how has it been

like

so i started tweeting again around

august

here i am you really are like a person

who thinks that like you can like

actually affect political changes

in terms of the twitter follower account

i think it's pretty awesome you realize

i like the difference from like what

like i mean also the young turks i don't

even like fucking go on just to be clear

okay i need you to understand something

so i started twitch may 2021 with around

like 100 viewers right

and then by the time i was i got banned

there was deviations but more or less i

was a thousand average viewers do you

know how phenomenal that growth is for

how long of it

so that was so you started in okay so a

year later you got banned you had a

thousand okay honestly don't i don't

yeah that's a much rapid pace of growth

than when phosphorus started out that's

a much more okay cool cool you beat

bosh's growth on twitch

i um like you you you're kind of like

there's right-wing people on here that

are like that are like you too but in a

different way right um who have like a

bunch of like people you're kind of

coming from that original line of

argumentation you just made which is

that i'm not doing a fucking switch

debate with you dude i'm just having a

conversation so we jump around topic

please calm down you just said i'm

delusional because i have 16 000

followers and that vosh has 200 000. and

then when i prove to you that i actually

on twitch grew faster than walston in

his first year seems like you kind of

abandoned that line of argumentation

okay okay d are you but what uh okay but

vash has 200 000 followers on twitter

you have sixteen thousand flashes

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is that everyone has to start out

somewhere so you're going to have to

actually measure the pace of growth and

the rate of growth okay because

everyone's going to start out somewhere

so that's an obvious

if we were talking about your social

media career then okay yeah you're

obviously doing pretty well you make

five thousand dollars a month like doing

it so you're abandoning the original

line of argumentation but no no if we're

talking about your social media career

then sure good job dude you're a twitch

streamer congrats but if we're talking

about you as a political actor if we're

talking about you as like a political

entirely different argument why did you

bring a boss at all vashta isn't a

political actor why did you even bring

him up

my god dude because he does the same

thing as you you do the same thing he's

not a political hold on neither are you

you're also not a political actor then

you shouldn't have said that vos is an

example of why uh i'm no i should have

because he because he does the same

thing as you

why did you bring him up then

because he does the same thing as you

so

the given the fact that rosh has yet to

affect political change and has way more

fucking uh

the new online that's not a new dude

okay okay can i just kind of can i just

say this really quick and then you not

interrupt me please yeah go ahead

okay if you interrupt me i might have

one like i like i might like have a

little like spazz attack freak out like

you do okay so

what i am saying is

what you are

is a twitch streamer and the guy on

twitter okay

and you make five thousand dollars a

month from your twitch stream okay

there's other people who do it it's like

do their podcast or whatever the fuck

vosh is a guy who makes a fuck ton of

money also streaming you guys do

basically the same thing you both talk

about politics from like a vaguely

left-wing perspective okay

um

so given that you two are you have the

same job and he's more successful at it

than you are so what's hassan so is uh

fucking uh chopper trap house so it's

fucking almost every single other uh

thing that does what you do and you are

all exactly the same

there is not and you are going to say

that the difference is that you're like

a political actor but you're not

and you never will be

and no matter how many times no matter

how many fucking stars you ever get

that's never going to happen so

like i'm not even i'm not even

entertaining that part of the argument

like that's literally a non-fact of me

and i'm not even going to entertain the

idea that one day you're going to like

invade the ranks of the cpu you say

which by the way fucking go ahead who

gives a fuck it's the fucking cp usa so

like i don't know dude like you're just

like a joke to me that's basically what

this is like this whole thing has just

been like a joke to me like you're a

joke

are you done that's how i feel about

this kind of so i i let you speak

uninterrupted the whole time okay you're

gonna have to afford me the same thing

or you've conceded the whole debate

all right i'm not this isn't a debate

though i'm just like telling you yeah if

you've invited me once you've conceded

the whole thing okay because i let you

speak

all right so it sounds like you're

making a different argument now now the

argument you're trying to make is that

you weren't talking about bosh's numbers

compared to me to prove that i'm

actually irrelevant and delusional since

bosch is bigger than i am you're saying

even if i were to get as big as bosswood

i clearly couldn't have any impact

because boss doesn't hassan doesn't and

the other streamers don't and they're

actually bigger than you so this is the

argument you're now trying to make now

the problem with that

is we just have to and you said some

things at the end we're gonna have to

address as well you said you're not even

gonna entertain it that's fine you don't

have to entertain it but the onus is

going to be on you to be able to justify

your position if you're just not going

to entertain a rational argument you're

basically conceding the debate so this

is how it's going to go if i actually

have a plan

a concrete plan for how i'm going to use

my influence and how i'm going to use my

audience to affect some political change

in this case the communist party usa and

if that ends up failing some other

initiative of creating a party for the

working class or involving ourselves

with the creation of the party of the

working class

that is something you have to at least

at the bare minimum admit is not a goal

not even a goal boss or hassan have the

most bosh has done in terms of interview

intervening in politics is beg his

followers and people are leaving the

space because you're really really

concerned

to me you've just conceded it to me i'm

sorry but like so

you're done you're done kid you just

conceded the whole fucking thing to me i

mean people are leaving i'm trying to

i'm glad i don't give up

no one cares

i don't care if people are leaving bitch

you've just conceded the fucking debate

to me you've just conceded it to me okay

but i'm still gonna respond to what you

said bitch goodbye anyway responding to

what they said we're going to bring on

someone else after

okay

you have to at least admit

that vosh and hassan

don't even have that as a goal and if

they don't even have a goal that means

they haven't even tried to do that and

if they haven't tried to do that you

don't know if it's going to be

successful or not

now vash and hassan

the most that they've done as far as

their followers are concerned

specifically in the case of bosch is beg

them to go and vote for democrats now

whatever impact that has is going to be

extremely small but if you have the same

number of people who are impacted by

that message to go and grow a communist

party and fight for a communist party

the gains are going to be much bigger

for a party that is extremely small in

every respect compared to the democrats

so

bosh and hassan are a drop in the pond

when it comes to the democrats sure but

they would have a really big impact on

an actual smaller organization

like the communist party or even the

fucking dsa even though they're

hitlerites and their fascists if they

actually use their platform to interface

and grow that party so your argument is

completely irrational you can't say that

vash and hassan

prove that it's not possible

because they don't even try to do it

so there you go

uh let's bring on jack

let's bring on jack

adam as a speaker

another anime degenerate

go ahead and

speak or something

okay

how do you know that

i can just tell by the way you are

all right is that an argument or like

you're saying nobody knows who i am you

clearly know who i am

uh so you've just invalidated your own

argument so what do you have to say i

mean what's your actual argument

i'm not making an argument i'm just

telling you

yeah why should i why should i care

about what you say though like convince

me why i should care what you say

i'm just trying to do you a favor i'm

saying this for your own good yeah but

if you're not going to argue from reason

or from logic you're going to argue from

credibility so

what makes you a credible person i

should listen to

what makes you

actually convince you though

what makes you a credible person that i

should listen to

um i don't i'm not resorting to

credibility thank you i'm not resorting

to my credibility i'm resorting to just

like the basic use of thought and reason

see this is why you will never impact

anything it's because you're just so

like annoying like i don't want to

listen to a guy like you talk and

neither will anyone else i think you're

trying to sound like some like um

attitude having anime character or

something but you sound like a fat fuck

50 year old in your mom's basement with

cheetos staying on your fingers you

don't sound like what your profile

picture is but you're trying to emulate

the behavior and attitude of like some

quirky attitude having anime character

you look like a fucking degenerate and a

pervert um so you're you're like you're

saying

you're trying to act like a bimbo of

some kind you sound like a literal

fucking grown man

so i don't know why you have this thing

where you're trying to act like a cute

little bimbo

when you're actually a fucking fat fuck

ugly degenerate fucking cheeto stained

scum of society

so what of substance have you come to

contribute here like it's not like

you're some cute girl where you can be

like you're not you're like just like

flirting with me or some kind of shit

you're literally some fucking random

grown man who came to my space and is

like uh

you're so annoying

i mean dude it's not cute what are you

actually trying to say here

do you not know how fucking embarrassing

you sound

is like what are you actually trying to

fucking say

i was just trying to give you some

advice

and why should i consider your advice

credible or worth anything

because it's not grounded in any actual

fucking argument or anything of actual

substance why should i care what you're

fucking saying

i don't need to use any logic it's just

the vibes

i can just tell all right well ladies

and gentlemen there you have it this is

the basis of all of the arguments they

try to use against me all of the

animosity against me all the things that

they try to say i mean it's not based on

any and any substance you just have to

think about this shit for like 15

seconds and you realize my enemies are

wrong and i'm right

i'm literally giving them the charity of

explaining themselves i'm not even

saying oh quote the sources i'm saying

use your brain and try to actually argue

this shit

i just can't believe i think it's

self-evident

so we're gonna have ac come on

go ahead

yeah

like you have like an extreme lack of

awareness and like you're treating

everything like a debate and you're

treating people that are coming here to

just talk to you like they're

they're enemies i don't really

understand the attitude that you're

giving toward people that yeah

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dog what are you doing

are you uh

um are you like uh volunteering to uh

enroll for the joaquin phoenix role or

something like what why are you laughing

like that

should i should i not be uh debating

people what is going on here if not

debating people

i don't know man

your whole thing seems to be that you're

gonna be converting people to like uh

patriotic socialism but your whole thing

seems to be just fucking

breaking down it like twinks fucking

belittling you

okay well i'm actually trying to be open

to my enemies i'm trying to give my

enemies their opportunity okay as soon

as you call somebody your enemy you're

like clearly not open to them let's call

them my opponents because they said hold

on they've set themselves up as my

opponents

what the

nope oh my god man okay these people

okay i don't know if you're not aware of

this

i they're constantly getting tweets two

to three thousand likes making arguments

against me saying things about me saying

haas is dangerous he's bad um it

represents a chauvinistic fascism and

it's this big problem or whatever he's

trying to get people to not organize and

harm the movement so they're making all

these arguments i just want to give all

these people the opportunity to actually

like

back that up with some kind of substance

but like those aren't the people you're

talking i didn't know who you were until

like 30 minutes ago i've been on leftist

twitter for like a year that's like your

match i'm here to accomplish you

requested to speak i told the people

request to speak if you have an argument

so

you were questioning

that's what this is we're doing it right

now

i'm not hearing much

so you want to make an argument then

yeah your argument would be that or my

argument would be that you're fucking

seeing enemies everywhere that you're

like afraid of your own shadow

okay would you consider leftist as you

called it left twitter would you

consider most of them to be enemies of

me or would you consider no i think most

people don't know who the fuck you are

and i think people have been telling you

that and you don't want to hear it

because your ego is so inflated that

you're convinced everybody has to know

you i think i have an opinion of you i

think nobody yeah yeah i think i think

90 nobody yeah yeah i think 90 iq

retards would find what you just said

persuasive but i don't know i mean

that's the actual rationale i think if

you had any ability to self-reflect but

i think the process

hold on i think the reason they find it

persuasive because they weren't

intelligent enough to catch what you

just said i agree that's a nice strong

man fallacy yeah i agree that most

people this debate tactic why i can't we

have to do this logic lord shit because

there's no good faith that's why we have

to do it logical or boy but yeah and

you're fucking it up you're fucking it

up so bad dude what have i fucked up

you literally just made a strong man

fallacy like you literally right there

just invented a person that finds my

argument persuasive and uh built them up

to be a 90 iq retard well like you are

literally doing a strong evaluation

right now if we're going to get all

technical and fucking i can actually

justify why i'm denigrating the people

who would find that as persuasive as

unintelligent

i can justify so if we define

intelligence as the ability to make

things intelligible then anyone who

would have found that argument

intelligent would have not made

intelligible the fact that what you said

is most people you've associated my

position with saying that most people

know who i am rather than most people on

left twitter now there's right most

people i would also say that most people

on twitter don't

accounts every day that i've i've never

seen them before in my life i literally

didn't know who you were until maybe

half an hour ago

i've been on here for a year and a half

like

16 to 18 hours a day

and tell me okay you think you're saying

it's delusional that i'm saying most of

left twitter knows about me

yeah i think you're arrogant

because mostly that's an arrogant thing

to say

nobody

because i'm saying most of left twitter

knows about

yeah i think that's delusional

why

do you think left twitter is really big

what make your case you've been saying

that to people over and over and over

again make your case for why i'll make

my case i'll make my facebook twitter

show who you are first of all i'll make

my case point my point so the first

point would be that left twitter is not

particularly big relative to the actual

people on twitter so it wouldn't be a

huge accomplishment for most people to

know who you are on left twitter in the

first place so that would completely um

destroy the argument you're making that

it's somehow delusional to think that in

the first place so whether it's even so

first of all whether or not it's even

true or not it would not be delusional

to think most people on left twitter

know who you are because left twitter is

an extremely small amount of people

relative to most people on twitter in

general how big is left twitter

i just know it's an extreme minority of

americans no but like how big is it

i it would probably you have no fucking

clue you just pulled that out of your

ass dude you don't know how big left so

because you can't define that you can't

say it's not reasonable to think

don't fucking cut me off man come on

such a hypocrite with that shit like

you've been doing this whole thing about

like oh it's reasonable to expect people

to know who i am on left twitter uh

because left not very small that's what

you're hinging your argument on

no i'm not because i have multiple

people

that is hold on stop cutting me off no

you didn't let me finish you cut me off

i made the one argument that you have to

say it without addressing the met

whatever

inference methodology i'm getting at to

say that i think most of left twitter

it's reasonable thing most of them know

who i am i didn't even address that yet

all i said is that it would not be

delusional to think so because left

twitter's not even big and then you ask

me how big is left twitter and i said

well i know it's not big as far as

estimating how big it is even before i

could give you a number off the top of

my head you cut me off and said you

don't even know and i said do i have to

know the exact number because i would

estimate as far as well you're doing

like such as as far as people

are listening to yourself right now

that's not how this happens

as far as active people on left twitter

i would say up to 100 thousand people

probably

and okay so you have a really high

estimate

if we define left twitter is not just

democrats but some kind of radical

leftists of some kind marxists

anarchists people who know about all

that kind of esoteric stuff compared to

like democrats

saying compared to democrats i would say

upwards of like maybe 100 active users

on twitter

active users on twitter people who are

constantly posting and tweeting and

liking the most i would say was it the

most would be a hundred thousand

where are you getting that data from

like at all you're just straight up

making it

i think it's unreasonable yeah right you

can say you're inferring it or you could

just say that you're making shit i never

said there's nothing i never said i was

certain about the exact estimate but let

me ask you a question would you would

you bet money on the fact that it's a

small minority compared to the rest of

twitter

that isn't what that doesn't change

anything why would i bet on that well do

you think it's reasonable to say that

left twitter is small compared to the

rest of twitter do you have to know that

any community

any community is small compared to so

you're a great twitter bot so you're

agreeing

did you ask me for the exact number if

you're agreeing with me you stupid fuck

i'm not agreeing with you we're always

not disagreeing we would not say it's

small compared to the rest of twitter

that if you let me finish man it's not

like screaming at me because you're

nervous go ahead finish you weren't

nervous

finish you keep saying i'm nervous i'm

giving you the opportunity to finish

finish okay man

so what i'm saying is um although i

would you know potentially say that it

is a

um like smaller compute

community compared to twitter as a whole

i think that is kind of like a

um an irrelevant distinction to make

because like by definition any community

on twitter is a small like portion

compared to twitter as a whole because

it's like making up a part of it so i i

don't really understand the distinction

or the importance of trying to say that

it's a small community when we get into

numbers that's what's really important

and you can't define that no you can't

define how big left twitter actually is

i didn't just in any concrete way back

but yeah you bullshitted something you

pulled it out of your ass

something with no evidence no

i'm not

you just pulled something out of your

ass with absolutely nothing to back it

up and that's what you're hinging your

entire argument on about no i'm not

whether or not people know you i didn't

even get your follower account and based

on the size no i didn't

you interrupted me before i could even

get to the fucking argument so let's not

say that you have been interrupting me

non-stop because

the onus is on you to prove you can't

you have to prove you're capable of

letting me speak before you bitch about

me interrupting you

what are you talking about dude so

uninterrupted this is what i'm gonna

tell you uninterrupted if you interrupt

me you've just conceded the debate okay

uninterrupted this is what i'm going to

tell you hey i did not hinge my entire

argument on that that was one bullet

point among others i was going to get

into which i couldn't because you

interrupted me b

you just said that left twitter is

smaller than twitter which is

tautological because obviously it's a

part of twitter a part of a whole is

going to be smaller than the whole but

that's not what i said that's not what i

asked you i would say is twit left

twitter really small compared to the

rest of twitter as a whole

you didn't answer that question you just

said well even so according to you even

if left twitter was 50 of all twitter it

would still be less than twitter so

that's not relevant but that's not what

i said i said it's really small compared

to the most

isn't part of left twitter a

very

big majority of twitter is not

participating in left twitter

actively

so would you say you're like an active

dissident in a niche underground online

community is that what you're trying to

say right now

look i don't know what your standards

for that are gonna be but do you do you

have to know the exact number of people

on left twitter two reasons i think you

did you do i know you do

i'll ask you a question would you have

to know the exact amount of people on

left twitter to reasonably infer that

left twitter's really small compared to

the most of twitter

i i think yeah i think yeah you would

have to have a pretty

so unless you generally generally like

calculated ideas

because you were saying that shit too

about like

um like every leftist being on twitter

like you were saying that shit with uh

with that other guy earlier no i didn't

when did i use the word every leftist on

twitter okay not every laugh this you

know i said but that was like the

general gist of it was that if you were

left what are you doing what are you not

doing on twitter if you're the most

leftist all i said was that most of left

twitter knows who i am that's all i said

that's not you've said a lot of other

things too are you like what what what

else did i say

the last words that came out of your

mouth

are you not aware people are listening

to you right throughout every

conversation that you've been having

here and people have been hearing you

and like can can you comprehend

okay and remember it to use against you

then use one thing against me that i

said one other thing i i did i've been

doing that this whole time can you get

one other thing besides what i said that

most of left twitter knows who i am

well i mean that's that's kind of what

you've been talking about for like an

hour you've been unable to accept that

completely

you stupid pothead dumb fuck you just

said i said a whole lot of other things

too now you're saying that's all i

fucking said you're a stupid pothead

fuck can't even follow your own line of

argumentation what the fuck are you

talking about you can't even follow your

own line of argumentation you stupid

bird brain fuck what are you yeah yeah i

can dude you're just breaking down

you're freaking me i said a whole lot of

other things too and then i said what

are the other things besides that most

of left twitter knows who i am he said

well that's all you've been saying do

you not know how fucking retarded you

sound for saying that

you're just concentrating

i think other people can can gather what

it is if they're if they're taking in

good faith they can probably pick up on

what's happening

hiding behind what you consider what the

audience thinks because i'm talking to

you okay no i'm not even fine it's not

even it's not even talking about the

audience

what i was trying what i was trying to

communicate what i was trying to say you

know yeah if you would just listen to me

is is

the line of conversation the topic and

what what every individual thing that

you've you've said a lot of things right

yeah they're all revolving around a

central topic and for the entire time

that i've been tuned in here which has

been somewhere between like half an hour

to an hour somewhere in that range the

central topic

you know that we've been talking about

the entire time is about the fact that

you that you are just completely unable

to accept the fact that maybe

not everybody on left twitter knows who

you are maybe not even the majority of

people on left twitter know who you are

maybe you're not making any fucking hold

on

even if i decided because you're

retarded and you won't shut the fuck up

about it even if i conceded that it's

not a majority

it's still a huge number a substantial

portion of left twitter

knows who i am you're fucking the

argument

the argument would be literally the same

so why are you getting fixated on that

you i i am somehow not able to accept

because of my ego that the majority of

left twitter doesn't know who i am

i mean even if it wasn't a majority it's

still a substantial number it's

substantial enough for me to do this

space and push back on the arguments

they've been throwing my way which is

the whole justification for why i'm

fucking doing this in the first place

so

you have nothing to stand at your whole

argument rests on this idea

that somehow

um oh i'm just i just for my ego's sake

i need a lot of people to know who i am

well that i already am of the opinion

that left twitter is extremely small so

how does that help my ego that a niche

group knows who i am that doesn't help

my ego at all so what are you even

saying even if i'm wrong in my

methodology for saying left twitter

small because i don't know the exact

number it's clearly what i think so if i

think that a small amount of people know

who i am according to my own standards

how does that justify the view that i'm

unwilling to accept that they don't know

who i am why would i be unwilling to

accept that because of my ego that

doesn't that can't stand on its two legs

that doesn't stand on anything i think

if you follow what i'm saying logically

it's airtight i challenge literally

anyone

to try and fucking push back on what i'm

saying

and hold their own

go ahead

go ahead speak

so

just wondering your uh your whole point

of doing this you want to take over

take over the cps you cp usa or make

your own little party

but uh i'm wondering how you would how

would you do that when it's you know

what i'm hearing from you is just you

know me me i i you know people are

against me

i just want to because that's what

people decided to bring up do you want

to talk about the strategy we can just

talk about that everybody decided to

make it about who are you has you're not

credible enough you don't have enough a

big of a reach you're not this you're

not that why are you spending your time

doing this you're a scumbag for making

five thousand dollars a month they're

the ones who personalized it if you want

to talk about the substance of the

strategy we can talk about it

well how would you uh and what's your

strategy

what are some of the struggles or

issues in your area that would allow you

to even you know do that

why does there have to be issues in my

area for that would allow me to do that

i mean you have to have a

concrete

how would how would you even yeah sure

there's a lot of people who are a

already interested in communism and want

to know

what the strategy should be be people

who are looking for ideological

alternatives and who are looking for a

place to you know somehow um

make sense of the world in some kind of

way or participate in the world in a

meaningful way participate in in

politics in some kind of meaningful way

and those are the people so that all

right that problem is already there that

already exists and i'm telling those

people that what we can be doing right

now

is flooding the communist party of the

usa and turning it into the premier

party of the american working class i

mean it's very general but you mean what

it what is the con it has to be some

type of concrete issue whether it be

uh

say

like someone one big issue is like a

tenants or a housing you know landlords

versus tenants or

uh

no clean drinking water something like

that are you saying that because there

needs to be that is the motivation for

people to get involved with this or are

you saying that because i mean every

everyone

the concrete issues that a communist

party is going to have to involve itself

in and address

are not the same thing as the things

that motivate people to want to be

involved in the communist party now

hopefully when you build a party

movement those two do interface with

each other and that addressing concrete

issues does become the source for people

to want to join your party but until

then you pretty much do have people who

are motivated for ideological reasons

one way or another to want to join the

party so why are you saying we have to

begin with tenants or something like

that

i i it was just an example you couldn't

be anything yeah but why are you saying

you have to be gay anything anything

that's specific to

at least your area

wherever you're at to begin with

like people aren't going to just uh you

know

joined or follow you just off of you

know an idea it's not how weight they

are but hold on they are i don't know if

you're not aware of this but my people

are in the communist party the party has

grown by like thousands of members since

i started i'm talking about the i'm

talking about you know the general

public

well i'm not talking about that i'm

talking about my strategy for the party

not not like uh you know

i mean that's you know that's good at

all

you know you've done good for yourself

with you know twitch and stuff like that

and i'm talking about

more like the people in the public

all right so

so we should just be soup kitchens then

no i didn't say that

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it has to be something that's actually

connected to people's

no material material life soup kitchens

literally feed people

that's not part of their material life

and need for food

i mean what is it what exactly i have to

do what does that have to do with what i

just said

well because i'm talking about building

a political party and you seem to be

talking about charity so if you want to

do charity join a fucking superman

that's what you said i'm telling anybody

you have has to be connected to actual

things that are actually going on

all right so

a party does have to care about things

that are actually going on but it has to

do so as a party

you you don't just have individuals care

about this shit it has to do so as a

party

you know

so

how would a how would that how would you

have that with the party that's

basically

kind of a cult cult of personality

over one person

but it's not it's people joining the

party

i'm not holding the party it's literally

the communist party usa how is it i'm

not even i'm banned you want them to you

you want to want them to join

so that you can bring you and follow you

i don't how is that

no i want them to join so they can get

people like steve estrada

elected into local office into positions

of power

and i want to use my platform to help

them do that

again you made it about me again by the

way you just made it about me again

you're saying why are you talking about

yourself but you're the one making it

about me i want to talk about the

strategy and you're talking about me you

just roped you just ex you just okay so

okay okay

what is the strategy to move

from going off what you said to move

from uh the realm of ideas into

uh actual making material changes sure

so

you flood the party you use the media

platform to watch the skies for the

party

and give it a co ability to have

coherent relaying of information about

what's going on on the ground once we

create that feedback loop get people

locally to get communists into positions

of power

and allow for the communist party to

become a general tribunal of the people

that broadly addresses

the political interests of the american

working class as their own interest

group

and you have to start locally first to

build a network to build a political

skeleton and infrastructure for a

national political movement

that can eventually challenge the

two-party duopoly whether in its own

capacity or in a coalition with several

other

um

organizations and parties in a broad big

tent popular front

and the whole purpose of this is there's

a lot of reasons right party to serve

the interests of the american people and

have a government that fights and serves

them uh fight against the war agenda for

a third world war and to veer this

country into a war with russia and china

fight against the imperialist deep state

and its attempt to suck the people of

this country dry i mean fight their

agenda to enroach and uh roll back these

civil liberties uh guaranteed to

americans in the constitution uh and

fight against the veering into an open

fascist dictatorship through the

use of big tech surveillance and big

tech censorship as well as political

repression in the form of so-called

domestic terrorism we need to center

lgbtq plus voices and so yeah there's a

lot of reasons that motivate people to

want to do this

it doesn't just have to begin with a

local issue i i see no reason for that

at all i mean peace land and bread was

not a local issue it was a universal

issue for the russian empire

okay so

uh why don't why don't you just more

focus on that instead of uh

don't get into the you know insulting

people using calling people you know

making fun of

people with intellectual disabilities by

calling them retards stuff like that how

how does that

how if you do stuff like that no like

most people are not going to follow you

yeah or even

it's not it's not been a problem

yeah i'll explain

so

leftists have always been the most

vicious wreckers of any real initiative

for anything marx and engels said

we had fought with the socialists more

than anyone else and it was a leftist

who tried to actually kill

uh it was an anarchist right so leftists

and then in the soviet union they were

the wreckers so the reason we have to be

so abusive and aggressive with leftists

is because we're just engaging in

self-defense they try to kill anything

in its cradle

more more than more than

hold on right

hold on respectfully sir

i came onto the scene streaming being

completely respectful

being completely calm

and not engaging in any name calling

just talking about the substance of my

ideas and theories

and they came to me completely

disrespecting me and attacking me and

name-calling and smearing me and all

this kind of shit

and cave they do the same thing to caleb

and he's not an abusive person so there

has to be some kind of way to push back

on this and most of these people don't

respect the language of rationality or

good faith or the intellect they only

represent humiliation force

uh violence

things like that they don't rep they

don't more more so than actual

reactionaries and the fascists

absolutely yeah all of the reactionaries

and fascists sorry not all of them you

know that's ridiculous no the majority

of so-called reactionaries

are not like leftists where they can

actually

hold a conversation without getting

emotional and fucking uh smearing you as

a nazi that you should die because you

don't recognize that they're seventy two

more creatures you get pretty emotional

yourself come on now yeah but i don't

actually say things like you're

literally a nazi if you don't recognize

72 genders

well you've called people subhumans or

even not human at all because they have

uh well because

because because there's such a barrier

in terms of being able to communicate

with these people through the use of

reason which is what human beings use

that's my last resort is to question

whether the same species as me i mean

you use all types of weight i think

different ways one reasons one emotions

one like you you've used the motion to

yourself but go on people

you know

work all these type of things when i

when i get emotional it's just defensive

if if people just focused on the

substance

of what we were actually talking about

in the ideas there would be no emotion

involved they decide to make it personal

and disrespectful that's not possible

the

emotion

as

emotional affectations are part of uh

human communication don't you think

don't you think people should be able to

maturely engage in dialogue without

immediately

attacking the other person just because

they disagree with them about something

uh most times yes but now if it is

something like calling someone subhuman

or you know uh wishing

uh advocating violence on somebody for

their race

no and they shouldn't be engaged with

the reason because it's not a reasonable

okay but when i was talking about those

jazz people and by proxy the leftists

who had already reacted to me in that

way that was because they had already

shown the unwillingness to engage in any

kind of respectful dialogue so

i'm the one who started out peaceful and

they met me with a bunch of bullshit

so

you can't attack me for defending myself

against them

um

and as if that's how it started because

that's not how it started

well i mean i don't know how it started

i mean but if they you know

there's a

lot of issues with the a lot of things

you can

bring up against uh figures like uh

caleb and but um

what issues in particular

well i'm not gonna go off to that now

but

like

when you like just like well let's go

back to the issues like you saying the

leftists or

whatever whatever that means uh

are more

dangerous to the cause for social or

struggle for socialism then

actual right wing yes

uh whoever who have actually killed

people

who left this or not to you know hold

and keep their powers just that's just

not that's that's not that this is since

novel who um

who killed two black teenagers at chaz

was it leftist or writers

i have two people in that camp or

whatever

can you say it again

capitol hill autonomous zone two bl dead

black teenagers

in seattle or portland uh

the people who were in there uh in that

uh

in that camp or whatever

and two black teenagers were gunned down

brutally by people with guns who were

the people with guns that killed them

most of the time it's the state police

but in that case the two people were in

that camp uh but

it was left back to answer the question

and it was left because

to compare that

to the systemic you know uh demonization

of black youth and you know their deaths

by

an imprisonment by the state police

forces is

it it's just not equal okay if if you

want to say that the state

is our enemy

okay

but that's a clear that's that's less of

a

so yeah but hold on

you're gonna have to let me finish

you're gonna have to let me finish

that's less of an emit that's always

been an enemy that's less of an

immediate threat

because that's always been there but

leftists make themselves an immediate

threat by being wreckers

trying to kill everything that every

tries to get off the ground in its

cradle plus you're also not taking into

consideration that many of these

leftists if not a substantial minority

of them

are either directly or indirectly

working for the literal state to do this

so of course leftists are going to be

enemy number one because that's the

people the state employs to kill any

authentic

um challenge to the state that comes

from the left

i'll be honest i thought i think it's

just the employee police and other type

of uh

uh

i implore you to study history i employ

to study history about how the fbi with

cointelpro

and uh among others and how they've

created a culture of fucking up in any

kind not just the fbi but the cia with

its funding for the culture con

sorry uh congress for cultural freedom

among other things

the way they've destroyed any semblance

of a real left

is by propping up a synthetic left

and also ultra leftist records the sakai

people the weather underground the all

these people have fbi connections they

were propped up by the government to

destroy and discredit any real left so

of course leftists are the most

immediate clear and present danger to

any kind of socialism in the united

states just using that argument when it

when the people funding at the uh

corn you know fbi cointelpro cia funding

these uh infiltrators be

the biggest ones since they're funding

the

whatever they're saying

not not in the immediate sense because

in the immediate sense there's nothing

we can do about them but in the

immediate sense we can push back on the

obfuscators and wreckers who are trying

to kill every authentic initiative in

its cradle

so

you don't think

the funders or you

who

the fuck with the people who you know

send these people out or you know flip

people you know have their own

infiltrators or flip people like they

have

aren't the biggest aren't the

the biggest issue

i'm gonna repeat what i just told you

sir

they are not the most immediate threat

because in the immediate sense

there is nothing we can do about them

unless you're suggesting in the

immediate sense

we can somehow do something about the

entire state machine apparatus

uh and then and leap over the part of

actually having to build a party

movement and we can just skip right to

smashing the state by running outside

naked or something so you can get to

that part and explain how we can just

skip to the part where we just

completely abolish the state

if that's what you're suggesting

so yeah you're saying the most

info run now infiltrators of course

using security and things like that is

the

enemy would be

your immediate strategy that's important

making sure you know keeping out uh

infiltrators or stopping people again

who get flipped

by the state for whatever reason

yes uh but

how

nasa you know an important thing yes but

how does that go from

you know

how do you go from that to

blaming you know demonizing

any type of person

who may have a different uh you know

whatever

lifestyle or

aesthetic choice new

or you know different type of

uh gender or sexuality i mean how do you

say that every person who was like

who

who's like that is an infiltrator

without

yeah i think um observing the situation

yeah you're making this broader than it

actually is

uh because i'm very specifically

isolating these mentally ill people who

think there are 72 genders or something

who are

being propped up as the representatives

of a communist movement

and that does immediate damage for the

ability for ordinary people to take

communism seriously when people will

literally confront normal people say

actually i'm zhuy gendered and i my

pronouns are zwizwa

why

i'm sorry it's mental illness why why

why do you have the your all the smoke

and it's not not mental illness it's

people being who they are

why do you have so much they can be who

they are in private and not force it on

everyone else

no being who you are is being who you

are in private and public uh but uh how

do why do you have so much smoke for

these people who most who are majority

are not infiltrators or uh you know

informants i i don't think you have so

why do you have so much money yeah

because well i don't think people with

that yeah because while i don't think

well i don't think that majority of them

are infiltrators or informants i think

all of them have been psyopped

by the rand corporation uh

the military the deep state military the

cia the congress for cultural freedom uh

you know billionaire from that

philanthropist the corporate cultural

complex i think all of them have been

psyopped

into some kind of mental derangement in

mental illness mk ultra something like

that

and uh that's the significance of it i

just think

they are the product of a very specific

way

that

the state let's just call it the state

has neutralized the ability for

communism to ever be taken seriously in

this country

i mean that's i mean it's a big claim

how do you how do you how do you prove

that everyone

just because they don't conform to you

know gender binary is

psyop from mk ultra i mean which is a

was actual real thing

but uh

not the way in the way i don't think in

the way you're saying it

um

because we know for a fact that the

congress for cultural freedom

specifically was designed

to promote a more

so-called free and avant-garde and open

kind of culture in comparison to the

perceived conservatism of the communist

bloc

and we know how that ended up being

siphoned into the universities in the

united states and including that is uh

you know this wild new stuff and gender

theory and the stuff that they're

actually teaching in colleges university

you can pretty much make a direct

connection between the cia and these

deranged people at jazz just through the

universities that

were the organ of promoting and

disseminating these ideas

to the public

i mean they may try to use them but like

like there's been

throughout history

trans people

gay people or people same gender loving

people is not look people's vibrations

sure people's people

sure sir i can't speculate i can't

speculate on all of history

sir i can't speculate on the cia's role

in promoting alternative sexualities in

general

um but i do agree that people have

always had alternative sexualities

that's a private matter and by the way i

wouldn't even be focusing on this issue

in particular of this you know people

who who demand ordinary regular people

address them based on a made-up gender

like

we or well you're gonna have to or

because you might look at all these

people

sir if you just sir if you just

um wouldn't interrupt me i'd be able to

get to what i actually was gonna say

the problem is that these same mentally

ill people that i would consider

mentally ill make themselves the subject

of communism so if they focused

selflessly on building a movement for

the people and were willing to tolerate

the fact that most ordinary people you

know aren't into that avant-garde gender

stuff but they personally subscribe to

it i wouldn't be complaining about it

but they have centered themselves and

made themselves the very subject of

communism such that communism is now

about the fact that people who identify

as fue foie

are being oppressed by society because

society will not address them

based on the 54th gender

um and that liberation means forcing

society to accept that they have made

themselves the subject of the movement

and that's the problem if it was just

them individually and privately i don't

care how they decide to dress i don't

care how they decide to identify i don't

care how they even look they selflessly

dedicate themselves to the movement of

the working class

that would all that would be all that

matters i have to talk about them this

way because they've actually centered

themselves and made themselves the

subject

of the communist movement in in in the

first place so that's the issue we're

dealing with here

i mean i just don't see that uh like i

have many

different comrades who are

non-binary

uh and they're so they are you know some

of the strongest and most dedicated

principled comrades in you know

struggling

you know what we're doing so

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if you don't mind me asking sir not true

and they have hold on uh and you know

of course

struggle for gay or liberation or not

lgbtq liberation is a part of that

struggle

you can't

you can't just

say oh you you don't get you know you

have to be in private but no that's

that's

that's reactionary well the problem is

that the majority of people don't agree

with you the majority of the working

class doesn't agree with you

um so you end up how do you know that

what are you

sure respectfully if i could ask you say

that these comrades you know the

non-binary ones they are the most

resilient fighters of the struggle um

i'm not trying to do this as a gotcha

but what tangibly have they accomplished

then if since they have such a you're

speaking about them with such praise

surely they have a ten a record of

tangible accomplishments you could um

cite and refer to

so in my per in my uh case uh we have

issues with a the water quality in

specific areas of the city that uh

have uh lead laterals what lateral is is

uh the pipes that you know go from the

street into your house uh

are

coated coded with latin they

we have one particular comrade who's

done amazing working getting that

not acknowledged in the city by city

officials who tried to deny it and still

aren't trying tonight and also

i the issue we have a huge

the city i live in there's a huge land

slumlord who owns most of the city most

a good portion of the city and uh

exploits

exploits the black population there and

they have done a massive amount of work

and getting this person

you know getting this person in the news

and getting him recognized for what he's

doing so

i

those are my personal

examples uh

put

plenty other people on here who could

give out examples to

their own personal cases and also

uh wider uh national figures or

international figures but sure so um

the first thing you talked about was

bringing it to the city council's

attention or the city leader's attention

that the lead is being uh so and that

that that is not the only thing they've

done

it's bringing making sure like the whole

city knew uh good portions of the city

knew it not just the city council they

were denying it okay while children

high high levels of government okay i

hear you i love you i hear you

so those two examples though are similar

in that they have drawn attention

to the public of an issue they've

exposed an issue to the public whether

it's a

um corrupt landlord of some kind or an

unfair landlord or it's um

in the city that's all great work

the problem though is that when we're

trying to build a party or a working

class movement

you actually have to have a base

of people

of supporters

who are going to somehow act upon that

or respond to it not just draw attention

to it but somehow use it as a vehicle

and that's what we've done david yeah

that's what i'm interested in

hold on but that's what i'm interested

in understanding how have you done that

how have you actually

been able to connect with the working

class based on those things

in a way that allows you to participate

people have joined

this coalition

to get the lead pipes out of the water

coursing is not going to be something

that's going to be overnight

there's uh

a hundred thousand lead laterals in the

city

uh and also with the tennis issue

building things called trying to build

things like tenant councils and we've

had one two built these are not things

that can be done overnight of course

and these are these are material things

yeah i'm not saying they have to be done

overnight i'm just questioning the

ability

for

these type of people to be able to

actually be leaders of a movie they are

they they fuck

so they brought people in

they don't know like they do a lot of

the work

and so i i'm not

working i'm not doubting the work that

they do but how many people have they

brought in it goes against like this

thing and you're saying that they oh

because you know the nine baronero they

don't accept the uh gender binary that

they can't connect with that uh

wider world i'm not saying yes

who may not understand them at first but

in through the struggle

will

you know are able to be educated and

able to on

come to a you know understanding

acceptance of them it's not something

that's not something that happens so

like there are reactionary uh

aspects to the working class but you

don't tell you don't do you don't tell

those you

sir i think um you don't you don't

imagine yeah yeah i understand so try to

get them out of there sure don't build i

think you're kind of pivoting for the

from the substance of what i'm trying to

ask you so i'm going to ask it again

um

how many people have you drawn within

your movement uh and and it's not my

movement it's a whole the movement that

you're talking about sure how many

people have you actually gotten to join

the movement and are being led by these

people as their leaders that these are

the actual leaders of this working class

movement

it's right now it is still small there's

no doubt about that well i asked you how

many people it was it was funny both of

these issues in this city

were act

no one knew about no one talked about

sure

yeah the work that did look i'll give

you work we did

so mo let's say someone who is um

bay gendered

exposed that iraq had no weapons of mass

destruction

now that would be an item of mass

attention and significance to the public

because we find that significant right

that doesn't mean that person has the

ability to lead an anti-war movement

though so what i'm asking you more about

is the movement side of things you've

just admitted to me that it's small well

if it's small if it's just a small

amount of people how do you know if

these people that you're speaking highly

of are actually capable of leading maybe

small overall internationally but in the

city it is big okay that's all right

so how big is it the sun it is

like it's bigger than anything you've

done i'm telling you okay listen sir i

haven't really sir that's not a thing

certainly sir

that's like that's like telling him

exactly exactly

that actually

sir respectfully you're getting

emotional that would be like telling a

movie critic

that would be like telling a movie

critic that while the movie is a piece

of shit it's better than what you've

done because you've never filmed a movie

friend you definitely don't know what

you do you know little about what you're

talking about joaquin joaquin you're

getting emotional activity you're

getting emotional

of course right

it's a real issue that's like telling

you you have kids in the city who have

elevated love levels which is terrible

i'm not denying hold on i'm not denying

that you're on intellectual development

i'm asking you a simple natural

it's not a it's not a twitch so whenever

when i asked you this question of

substance you just got emotional yeah as

soon as as soon as i asked you the

question that mattered which is how many

people are we talking about you suddenly

got defensive and emotional tell me how

many people were working with you

in your movement

overall the friend enough to make it

son turn into something that is actually

give me an estimate huh are we dealing

with tens

what are we doing i can't

do you would you say

but

i i think but but here's the thing just

just based on how defensive you're being

it is based on how defensive you're

being

i think it's a very small amount of

people actually i think it's an amount

of people

are not representative of the working

class in any kind of way that's what i

think you're getting so defensive about

it

because you don't want to fucking admit

that it's probably like making sure

people i'm sure someone kids are not

exposed to lead water people have access

to clean water and people have access to

housing where they're not paying 50

of their uh or more of their income

certainly

sir respectfully i'm asking you about

tangible results

not noble motivations respectful you

don't know what you're talking about in

this okay respectfully service exactly

just because it has nothing

it's certain certain games for people

materials getting really emotional

that's okay

you're getting emotional i'm asking you

which sir respectfully or getting

emotional

yes you are too

no i'm because i'm trying to

irrationally

because you just keep interrupting me

i'm trying to rationally ask you a

question

there are don't you recognize okay

do you think it's fair

do you think it's fair to recognize the

difference between tangible results and

noble motivations they are more tangible

than you anything you have done but

that's like telling a movie creativity

okay let's say that's like

a movie

well you're not

i'm trying to expose why what you're

saying is logically

um absurd because if a movement was a

movie critic

a movie critic doesn't have to make

their own movie to say that this is a

shitty movie okay that's what i'm trying

to tell you you're you're not you it's

not a that's not analogous you want to

be a leader of a

party or start a party

like a communist party

yeah okay

you want it to be around not your idea

or something i think i've made way more

progress i think i've waited i've made

more progress

okay i have made more progress in that

direction i'm not talking about doing

charity because i haven't made any

progress in charity but i have made more

progress in the direction of actually

reviving the communist party than you

have in here oh you haven't and no you

haven't friend

yes i have no you have i mean literally

i have i have literally you haven't

flooded well you haven't i guarantee you

okay why not

guarantee you have why not

you haven't when you're a twitch

streamer

okay but my followers have flooded the

communist party

no one cares about your twitch followers

that doesn't do anything well that's my

goal is to flood the communist party

with my followers

are you in this do you go in the streets

at all to do like anything yeah i i um

every tuesday morning i run around naked

on the streets and i shit everywhere and

piss everywhere

okay and i scream i scream on the street

do you use that platform to

make

any type of material by the way does it

have to be the streets or can it be the

sidewalk hold on just can't

you know what i'm saying by the streets

obviously no i don't i literally don't i

literally don't i don't know what you're

talking about hold on i literally don't

do you bring attention to any type of

issue that would

that's important to the working class or

that would bring a positive change that

would allow

i think uh that's the job of a party not

in the community it's not the job of an

individual that's the job of a party

yeah you guys there's a graduate thank

you thank you you're an individual

you're not a party thank you

we gotten it out of you thank you

yeah but i'm not you're you're an

individual on the internet

yeah but my goal

any change my goal is to change the

party besides besides padding your

pocket

i'm glad we've done it i don't i really

am trying hard not to mock you and

disrespect you right now you're making

it really hard for me

so just stop and run to me

i wouldn't do any of that so

respectfully i haven't let you

perspective i have let you mouth off

saying your nonsense to anyone's face

sir i would say it to your face okay i

would say to your face you would not do

that yeah to your face to your face i

guarantee you i would say to your face

you would not pray i would say you're

not friendly i was saying i would look

at your head i would look at your head

and i would say boy that's a head devoid

of thought friend friend no you wouldn't

just i guarantee you immature that's

child sir

he wouldn't it's not just not me being

like you would not do that

joaquin

would not have your faults people

i guarantee you don't talk to people

like that in real life if you showed me

the amount of disrespect that you are

now joaquin if you show me i haven't

disrespected you you're interrupting me

you're continuing to interrupt me and

you're not even letting me speak

it's been opposite a little bit i have

not sworn that you weren't doing

anything

you're just a twitch streamer you're

just an individual you're just a twitch

streamer you don't know anything that

you're talking about you're not even

letting me speak because being

doesn't matter anything at all yeah but

you're not even letting me say anything

you just want to hear yourself speak

because you're assuming that so what is

your what's the why are you even here if

you don't want to hear my argument

we've we've talked a pretty long time

now i've listened to your argument no

you haven't i it's still listen we gotta

do it joaquin every time i've tried to

say one fucking thing you've just

interrupted me so let me finish what i

mean to say

my goal is to change it just lower your

voice my goal is to effect all right

just lower your voice i have to mute

this dumb fuck okay let's calm it down

and let each of us speak take turns

speaking

my goal is to affect the communist party

okay

i have actually done that success when

you ask me

who has been more successful in in terms

of the goal of ultimately changing the

communist party i have actually done

more in that direction because i've

gotten my followers to flood the party

that is more in the direction of what my

goal is

then anything you or your friends

however noble have done in your city now

in the direction of actually doing

charity you're right i've done nothing

and you and your friends have done much

more but my goal is different i want the

communist party to be the party that

addresses all of these local issues

through fielding their own leaders their

own political leaders that can take

positions of power and actually address

them tangibly instead of just bitching

at the people in power i want communists

to be able to be elected into positions

of power and be able to address issues

like that and run on a campaign in a

platform of being able to address issues

like let in the pipes and landlords in

the local city and doing their best to

actually represent the people to that

end but before we can do that we need a

party that actually has a goal to do

that we need a party that has enough

numbers of people that are going to be

activists and partisans capable of doing

that and it's a way better use of my

time growing that kind of party than

just doing it individually doing it

individually i will make no more impact

on anything than what an individual can

do but doing what i'm doing now can make

an impact on the ability for thousands

of individuals to being able to do

things

so what you're saying just isn't

rational it doesn't make any sense you

can keep saying i don't know what i'm

talking about or you can keep saying

that i'm just an individual and i'm not

a party you have to demonstrate how

that's relevant to the argument now i'm

gonna unmute you

i mean you've already said it but i have

no i've said what i've said to say so uh

you know let somebody you can let

somebody else talk now

okay

all right

trying to give everybody an opportunity

to actually make an argument

it just seems like people don't want to

make an argument so let's see

let's let this guy

rz

nwa go ahead

hello

yeah

oh yo how's excuse what are you doing

what's up hey what's up

uh much um i'm not here to argue i just

uh

wanted to

i was just curious what you meant by

organizing as a waste of time as well

yeah so most leftists are saying things

like we need to stop

um focusing on the infowar and we need

to get out in person and organize and

what i'm saying is that 95 of the time

what they mean by organizing is just

wasting time

so

while there are instances where

organizing

would be useful

none of those instances

would discount the necessity of actually

having the most advanced means of

disseminating organization in other

words all the other forms of

organization that matter like canvassing

and getting people elected require

mass media and social media and the use

of information

uh as the thing the eagle watching the

skies you know so that's pretty much my

argument

i mean

i don't think organizing is a waste of

time i think that like you have to

okay the same way that a lot of people

say that you know oh you're just a

podcaster you or streamer or whatever

um

i think that kind of

discounts the effectiveness of

information workers

fighting is run by mission warfare

so i i think that

they're not like ones not more important

than the other i think they're

complementary on the one hand like

you do have to

have you have to have organizing but

effective organizing like you know i

think that

um everything from like you know tenant

defense to defensive homeless and

campaigns is important i think

um you know engaging in charity whenever

possible is also important

um but effective organizing is not just

like holding the rear guard against like

the encroachment of

neoliberalism and fascism

i think it's also

important to

engage in agitprop to help people

understand why mass movements are

necessary and the fact that people

are having to defend homeless

encampments and work in soup kitchens is

a fucking problem you know what i mean

i think when people do charity and when

people organize like for the amazon

labor union and when they do test

organizing i think that's all really

noble stuff it's def it's definitely um

something that should be praised and

it's it's noble right

but in terms of

the goal of building a communist party

which not everybody is on board with not

all labor organizers have that goal not

all the tenant organizers have that all

sure as hell not all the charity people

have that goal only a very small

minority of people have the goal

wanting to build a premier party

political party of the working class

all i'm trying to say is that when it

comes to doing that

when it comes to having that goal those

other things

are not going to fulfill that the most

effectively in terms of what an

individual can do

i mean i suppose i mean i i put it this

way like

i grew up in a family that were either

like former farmers and carpenters

and the first people in my family to not

work in those areas were

nurses and

teachers and social workers

and growing up in that environment what

i saw a lot of was

as much like work as you could do for

charity you end up getting burned out

because

the the ultimate goal is not to fix the

problems the ultimate goal is to become

a stop gap that eventually

it's like it's like you know the dutch

child holding his finger in the dike you

know like

you're you're a bandaged solution that

eventually just becomes a permanent

solution

it burns a lot of people out so i i

agree with you on that front i you know

you know that i disagree on the whole

like

you know like demeaning people and the

whole gender stuff whatever but you know

whatever like we don't have to we don't

have to hash that over we're not going

to agree so there's no point to getting

them back and forth

i do want to talk about though i do want

to talk about um

something that you touched on which i

think is is actually important and that

people should

uh

come to understand better is how this

new left movement

um originated and how it ended up

becoming so popular because

i think one thing that i

first of all like my personal account

has gone from twitter and that's because

i told some stupid white

quote-unquote anti-fascists to go french

kiss to locomotive and then my account

got banned so i'm like you know what

fuck it this course i'm out of here i

don't give a shit

um

but the the part that bothers me and you

kind of touched on it when you asked hey

who shot those black children at the uh

the chop chazz

uh encampment

is that like

you you are right that uh

a lot of the times the the uh the the

wrecker movements do come from within

the left like

oftentimes the uh the biggest enemy to

the left organizing and

like the development of power

comes from the left also and i think

people are a little bit too precious

sometimes and not understanding that

like

listen if you know if richard alkey who

was

like a high-ranking black panther member

could turn out to be an informant and

people did not want to believe that when

he turned out to be an informant and

even then like even when it came out

that he wasn't informed people were

still like whoa

he did more he did more good than harm

so hey you know maybe he devops himself

to the fbi but they they created a

comrade no they fucking didn't right he

was a snitch he was an informant

and um i think a lot of the

tendencies that people kind of tolerate

that in that result in record behavior

we don't actually

deal with that

as much as we try to cover for it and

say all right well everybody has a right

to no no no

no sometimes you actually are just

engaging in record shit you know so i i

don't i i mean as to whether you're

building power in the communist party

like i i really like frankly i don't

you know what if if you think that

there's a means to um

uh to develop power within a communist

party you know what uh

best of luck to you

uh

i think it's fine

um

to at least like have to at least the

general principle that you would want to

build a

like a principled marxist londoners

party that has the ability to um

build and consolidate power over a

period of time and you know what

whatever if you think it's gonna work go

go on right ahead

um

i think though like one of the

issues that comes up in these spaces and

it's not just you is like a lot of

people do this

is that we get it end up in these like

these never ending

or boris like snaking its own ass

arguments with people who have uh

ostensibly left beliefs arguing with

other people that have essentially left

beliefs and it becomes this endless like

cycle over who has the actual correct

line

when meanwhile like the fascists are

fucking out organizing us and racking up

a body count like they're doing victory

laps at this point you know what i mean

yeah i mean it's just tough because i

think i i try to simplify all

contradictions

and what i see going on and i'll just

simplify it this way this is how i

simplify the contradiction

maybe that contributes to the problem

because everyone simplifies it in a

different way but

i think you have that threat

right

um

you know an increased now we may

disagree on where it comes from but i do

think there's an azov coming to an

america right i just think it's coming

from the deal coming to america i think

it bro it's been here yeah but i think

it's going to be more activated and more

you know full-on as off

uh and i think it's gonna also come from

the dsa types and stuff but that's

neither here nor there um

what i'm trying to say though is that

it's a conflict about taking the risk

of reaching out to people

who are not already predisposed to your

ideology or taking refuge in the

institutions that already exist

primarily the democratic party

which have explicitly evolved themselves

as progressive and democratic and

anti-fascist and whatever

and when you have someone saying we need

to abandon those people and actually

risk

um

reaching out to working masses of people

who

were going to be competing with

ideological enemies in terms of being

able to reach out to

people kind of it's people kind of like

associate you with the threat itself so

it's people playing hot potato with who

is the real fascist nazi threat within

the left

and that's just how i see it we what we

stand for is that i i sum it up as just

leaving the democrats that's just how i

sum it up i don't really care to die on

the hill of the gender stuff

all of that's just a symptom to me the

the main thing is about

the lefts whether it acknowledges or not

attachment to democratic political power

yeah i mean

i look at it this way if if the

uh

sabotage of jeremy corbyn like the

deliberate sabbath and now like it's

it's actually if you read uh

the work by kit klarenberg for

uh for uh gray zone um he actually got

like a trove of emails that shows that

like mi5

uh like

deliberately

uh tried to stage the election for boris

johnson deliberately staged um no deal

brexit

that they're essentially pulling the

strings um

uh for pretty patel like

there there's a whole lot of shit that

just happened that nobody is talking

about because we're focused on this

endless international warfare and i

think that uh

if if that can't show that entry-ism

is a failed venture or if the democratic

party

essentially changing its own rules

engaging in just like straight-up open

cheating to make sure that

bernie sanders who is like a middling

social democrat poses no threat to the

democratic establishment whatsoever

the the idea that like the party

actually serves

the people that vote for it

and their constituents rather than their

corporate donors

even challenging that paradigm was way

too much for them

uh and they shall lacked his candidacy

and then blamed everybody who supported

him for trump phoning in 2016. like that

should show you that entry-ism is a

failed venture

um

so yeah i i don't disagree with you on

that front i just think that there's

like a whole lot going on right now that

could

uh

receive i think

more focus for example like

i was talking to my boy hosting last

night about uh the fact that davos is

happening right now

why the fuck is it that

rebel news

which is like this far-right

uh you know quasi fascist canadian uh

independent press group

you know they had a reporter walking

around outside of davos and asking the

attendees

uh

how comfortable they feel

with their fealty to bill gates

when he's on the epstein flight logs how

like why is the why is the far right

reactionary reporter the one asking

these questions and you like a lot of

people aren't even talking about fucking

novels right now and davos says

as we like you know we

davos is basically the common term for

the ruling class they just like style in

people's face on a year-to-year basis

and

not really not much really comes out of

it um i think a lot more people are

talking about like the johnny depp amber

heard uh lawsuit encounter suit then

they're actually talking about davos for

example

that's a fucking problem yeah i mean but

it just goes back to that central

antagonism which is that like when

people focus too much on that or not too

much but when they just

start giving it attention and pointing

these out i mean that's where all the

nozzle accusations and the anti-semitism

accusations and all that other kind of

like reactionary accusations start to

rear their head and it's like

if you're not

already counsel creation and civil

society

and they're just kind of having a

suspicious eye toward you i mean these

wreckers will come and dig up some shit

you said before or take something you

said out of context

and use it against now believe it or not

i started out kind of politically

correct

i know i'm not known as that but i did

start out kind of respectful of the

identity type of people and just really

hands-off approach but then people just

started taking me out of context to

cancel me and shit so i just eventually

was like fuck it

this is like a prime if this is such a

problem to people that it's even more of

a problem

than this um being able to like name the

ruling class

then i'm just gonna fucking wear it

because

clearly like i need the people who don't

give a fuck about this minor shit and i

need the people who care about the

things that matter to be

um listening to me instead of these

wreckers who are just going to be like

oh

you know like i don't want i never

wanted to deal with it being a problem

if someone said oh this person said this

that must mean they're really horrible i

mean like it's just so much bad faith

it's so easy for people who respect the

identity politics

to get clipped out of context or just

taken out of context and totally

canceled and that's a vulnerability i

think

can only be patched by just not giving a

fuck about it anymore

i okay so i i disagree with that but i'm

not gonna argue i'm gonna offer you

something and you can do with it

whatever you want i look at it this way

so like uh and i okay for example uh

here's here's what actually kind of

drove me over the edge and said and

that's where i was like hey you know

what fuck it i'm not gonna have a

personal twitter account i'm not

tweeting i'm not engaging in discourse

not until i actually write a book while

i while i come back to the site and

participate in any meaningful way

it was it was actually not uh just um

some white anti-fascist telling me

that i have no right

to say to people that it's a dumb idea

to scold people to not spread the

buffalo shooter's manifesto because my

point of view on that was

well the horse is already out of the

barn people are fucking spreading the

manifesto like stop scolding people to

not spread it maybe the better idea is

for you to study fascism so you can

better understand and identify it and

root it out early on and give people

alternatives before they end up going

down that road that's what you do to

combat fascism rather than

you know making vague gestures on the

internet hey don't spread this manifesto

and

from her point of view on that was like

what i was trying to say was oh you

should just spread the manifesto without

context i was like

lady fuck off

yeah all right like how the hell are you

gonna talk are you trying to tell me

a black man that i am

and

the date of a mass shooting of black

people

uh that i am trying to spread the

manifesto like i actually went to

buffalo and interviewed people

i sat down with people that worked at uh

prison transition institutions so like

incarcerated people

when they come out of prison like the

organization that would actually help

them like transition back to

like daily life you know i was

interviewing those people i was on

jefferson avenue right in front of the

top super supermarket where the shooting

happened i was interviewing those folks

um i have video and i published an

article on the globe mail about it like

how the fuck you gonna tell me that i

don't care about those people's lives

when i went there to go talk to those

people about what their lives are like

and we'll continue to do so but that

actually wasn't even the last draw what

it was

was um

i said uh somebody said

somebody in a conversation with me like

to me um used the word crazy and then

somebody else stepped in and said oh you

shouldn't use that word at save list and

i'm like listen you know

uh

in

the

long the period of time

it might since my teens

when i was suffering from clinical

depression but it wasn't properly

diagnosed

all the way up until my 30s when it took

me to get proper diagnosis

nobody changing their language

to try to accommodate my disability made

any fucking difference for me whatsoever

you know what actually made a difference

for me was me having to advocate for

myself um

and like

spend almost 10 years

making sure that i could get properly

treated and diagnosed

people making jokes with me

was not what caused my problem what was

causing my problem was people who

wanted to do this language game but then

do nothing else after that this whole

fucking raising awareness shit and then

take no additional steps like fuck off

and that's what i realized like there's

no point talking to people in public in

this discourse anymore whatsoever

i because not only will they give like

not only will they uh create bad faith

interpretations but and they don't even

do it

just to try and make you look bad they

do it to make themselves look good in

front of others

that that much is true and i agree with

you on that the part where i disagree

with you is i don't think the answer to

that is to then turn around and harden

your heart and triple down

because at the very same time

the people that

did nothing to you whatsoever

maybe not even don't have an opinion

about you haven't heard about you or

whatever

i

what you're basically saying to them is

hey because you share an identity with

this person i'm gonna i'm gonna like

listen i'm gonna fuck them up and i'm

gonna fuck you up too because you share

an identity with them i should be able

to do that because this person hurt my

feelings or this person came after me

and attacked me whatever

so i'm gonna go after them three times

as hard hey listen if you if you feel

away about it too well that's your

problem that's that's kind of how i feel

about that

um so i don't think it's a necessary

response i think we're always

responsible for how we respond to things

regardless of how people act towards us

we're always responsible for our

response to it

that's that's how i feel about that

yeah that was my approach initially and

yeah it's it's it what you're saying

makes sense

it's just

the issue to me is that all these

examples you just gave me like whether

it's the person talking about the

manifesto or it's um the person about

the crazy thing these are examples of

how there has been such a discontinuity

between the form

of you know this kind of uh let's just

call it anti-fascism or uh socialism or

um

some of the most racist some of the most

racist motherfuckers i've ever

encountered in my life where the people

that call themselves anti-racist and

fashion that's what i mean there's such

a huge contradiction between the form us

will be awarded and the actual content

of those things

where to me

my approach basically became like

by continuing to identify with this form

i was not able to address that

discontinuity in any way and it's almost

like i'm blending in with those people

and i'm agreeing with those people

where i feel like what i want to do is

be able to somehow um

attack the form

while

as long as people have good faith be at

peace with the fact that like

the content

like in content you know

um

in content uh we're believe it or not

people accuse us of this in content

we're not fascists we're not

whatever hateful people they try to tell

us we are

it's just that we consider it i consider

it so

it disgusts me that

i could virtuously like i i could never

like do some shit on twitter like you

know oh we need to um

we need to stop

fascism or we need to stop racism we

need to support women's rights

it's just because like i know that that

the form of saying that is

indistinguishable

from the same people who use that

as an opportunity to

um

signal the exact opposite

and plus

the form in question it's not just ideas

and it's not just discourse but we're

ultimately talking about here materially

speaking is the form of institutions

the institution in question being the

democratic party the academic media

whatever complex

so it's like

there has to be a way

to distinguish

oneself from that rotten

institutionalized

uh let's call it institutionalized

formalism

you know

and to me my hope is that

because it's kind of worked for me

because like our community we've got

people from all sexual backgrounds

because that's the primary issue i get

in trouble with we do have women in our

community and stuff so it's like

and then obviously we have people from

all backgrounds uh

ethnically but that's not been the issue

for me nobody really accuses me of being

a racist

so

like we have people in our community who

see past the form and understand the

content

yeah i i i get i get that

um

okay

i'll give you

another exam and this is not the pivot

this is really just to like you know

leave you with something and again you

can yeah particularly completely up to

you

um so i mean i think in our first

conversation uh you got that i was like

citing the quran and that i'm now like

you know going to masjid and so on

um

you know and and i was i was uh spending

a lot of time in the last couple of

weeks um

just like trying to understand the

concept of jihad

and what it what it means what it stands

for and also to like get away from the

uh you know sort of like the western

perversion of what the word in the

concept means

um but

you know uh

in the uh the surah

um

where the the concept of self-defense is

examined

and this is when like you know uh

muslims were being

oppressed by the meccan pagans uh you

know people were being tortured and

um you know like women and children were

being like you know molested and

murdered in front of their families and

that kind of thing

you know and uh

the question was you know

who like who did you become like who are

you that you're not defending

your people that you're not defending uh

your women and children but one thing

that was like very clear was that

um

force like the use of force and the use

of violence

has limits

and that it's got to be defensive

and

if you

use force in defense of people that

can't defend themselves like it's it's

good force like you're you're actually

using it in in a just way

and it like that kind of resonated with

me because that's how i've always felt

is that like

listen if somebody if somebody punches

you in your fucking face and you know

you can kill this person right like i'm

i'm not a small dude and i know that

like if i

fight somebody even unintentionally i

can seriously hurt them so i will like

literally eat a punch to my face if i

think that me retaliating against this

person is going to hurt them way more

seriously than me

um but the one thing that i cannot stand

like what i i can't like abide

is watching somebody else bully other

people i'm not i'm not talking about you

i'm just saying in general like i can't

like it's really hard for me to watch

somebody bully somebody else

um so that part resonated with me it's

like hey you have you have an obligation

to defend people that have less ability

or no ability to defend themselves

and so it kind of recalled what i was

talking about a little bit earlier which

is that like

if somebody says something to me

uh if they're interpreting me in bad

faith or saying some shit that i know i

didn't say

um they're calling me names and they sat

in the third

i'm actually just okay eating it because

i'm like you know what like what

difference does this person make in my

life whatsoever none i don't have to

care what they think

um but my response to them i can just

tell them listen like fuck off and go

deep throw a grenade or whatever that's

one thing um and i kind of feel like the

other thing the part that goes um

beyond that is

when i

call them names that other people can

feel like hey wait a second is he

talking about me too

because i i don't ever want to feel like

i'm the one that

in my response to somebody who i felt

was attacking me

i then

bullied not only that other person but

then hurt somebody else inadvertently

just the same way as i'm really afraid

of hurting somebody inadvertently even

if they're like trying to physically

fight me you know what i mean

yeah i do but it's like no i i get what

you're saying and i've i've thought

about this as well it's just like

i i was trying to do that as much as i

could in the beginning just to be

completely honest it's just like the

reason i ended up crossing the line is

being like fuck it i don't care who gets

offended is just because

i realized that

it's not

this is just

what i've gathered from my experience

people don't experience those type of

things as the primary contradiction

the primary contradiction seems like for

example people

let's say they make fun of something

about me like people talk about i'm

balding right well i mean a lot of

people are bald right

and

you know they don't mind being able to

um hurt the feelings of all like you

know probably like what

seventy percent of leftist men who are

like balding they're not really um

worried about hurting their feelings

even the people who are balding their

feelings aren't being hurt

because they recognize like okay with

the primary contradiction is deeper than

that right so i'll sacrifice what would

be an l to my personal characteristic

to that now there is i understand this

example isn't perfect because it's like

a personal characteristic

and not something that has like

political significance like a sexual

identity or anything of that nature

but i do think even when it comes to

those

you you can tell me your experience but

this is what i've seen in my experience

when i've seen responses to how people

talked to nicki minaj

and dave chappelle

i noticed and i started i noticed this

thing early on before i even started

streaming you know i used to be like a

typical leftist i noticed how

they were willing to excuse racism

against them

just because they deviated from the

democrat party line whether it was nicki

minaj talking about uh kovid or dave

chappelle talking about the trans shit

all of a sudden

racial stuff that would not have been

tolerated before

started to be a little bit tolerated

right

so to me

i wonder if

people won't the people that i'm that i

want to reach out to in the first place

won't be offended

because

the people who are offended are not

being offended because like i'm

attacking the sexual identity but

because i'm attacking these

institutional

um

like

power that is associated with it

yeah

yeah okay so i i understand where you're

coming from on that and here's what uh i

guess like my final thought on this

um and this is not to tell you what to

do this is more like i think where a lot

of people are coming from and that's

that

uh when because i you know i don't

really like it when people make fun of

like baldness or somebody being

fat or whatever the hell it's like you

know if you have something to say say it

and

if you just want to tell them to fuck

off tell them to fuck off but you don't

you have to do all that extra shit right

but

um i think that what often happens for

people

that

have marginalized identities and i see

this happen a lot is that uh

they don't really have the ability to

attack

the people in charge of the systems that

do make their lives fucking miserable

um and i think and i see this happen a

lot in the black community as well and

that's that like that two things

happened one is

um because they don't have the ability

to retaliate against the people who are

responsible for their oppression

what they'll do instead is attack the

people

laterally to them that authentic like at

least at a root level maybe not in the

way that they're going about it but at

some somewhat of a fundamental level

have an agreement that they are a

marginalized group that they should not

be marginalized and the world should be

made different such that marginalization

no longer exists i think there are some

fundamental agreements on those things

that are common to most of our politics

so what they'll do is

they know that that person

whether they want to admit it or not

that person actually cares

so they'll attack that person and call

that person names

and then when that person responds in

anger they'd be like aha you see you are

a bigot you're a racist you're a

misogynist you're a homophobe or

whatever right

um even if the person didn't actually

say anything that was racist or

misogynistic or homophobic i see this

shit happen all the time on this

platform right

i i think it's actually incredibly

immature behavior because what you're

really doing is that um and i've seen

this actually been like mobilized

against many like multiple trans women

that i consider friends on here

um and people will be like oh well you

know you're you're you're a trans woman

but you're a white trans woman or you're

you're a spicy white i either jewish

you're a spicy white trans woman it's

like

shut the fuck up like you're just trying

you're just looking for reasons to be an

asshole and you're stacking up your

identity pokemon cards against their

identity pokemon cards and hoping that

you know uh people are gonna side with

you because you're more marginalized

um that's that's one and then another

another one is that

uh knowing that they can't actually

um

defeat that system on their own because

they operate in the world of

individualism

uh they think that having a seat at the

table is good enough so it's really just

a tacit if you can't beat them join them

admission so they think that

representation is what's necessary to

achieve liberation so if we just had

more diversity more representation etc

things would be more equitable and what

it really is is is that like okay so if

you let me be in charge of things if you

let me be the

the manager of black people and

eventually the manager of perhaps more

than just black people at a local level

and perhaps maybe one day i can be

president and be like you know the

manager of all people i can reshape the

world

no

no you basically just want to be the one

that the secretary of defense talks to

before a bomb gets dropped on a fucking

wedding caravan in yemen somewhere right

so really it's like you're you're hiding

your like careerism and your aspirations

for power

behind

progressive identity bullshit

but really you're not really you're not

much different you're just the comprador

class i i find that those are two

tendencies that cause a hell of a lot of

friction

and

i i think that as you're saying to me

like you know a lot of the stuff is what

you encountered early on and you tried

to deal with it and then you're just

like ah fuck it i'm just gonna offend

whoever uh feels offended by this

i i just think that like

that is real like that the existence of

those two dynamics is very real like i s

i've seen it on here on a daily basis

and i'm you know part of the reason i

don't want to be back on here regularly

is because i want to disconnect from

that

i just think that uh the way to combat

that is not to sideswipe people

who

didn't do shit to you you know what i

mean

yeah i mean

ultimately to me

this is just all kind of cultural

ideological stuff

but to me it's it's just a way of trying

to filter and test ultimately right

how do we really break out of the

democrats on an institutional level

to me i will sacrifice everything i will

literally adopt the pronouns i don't

care

if i thought it would be we could break

from the democrats institutionally i

just see that cultural stuff that other

people are getting sideswiped by

oftentimes as a proxy for that

institutional power

and

so far i mean it's it's been confirmed

for me i mean i've noticed for example

like when people choose their priorities

it always comes back to well even if it

means we have to either not challenge

the democrats or even vote for the

democrats so be it but like this

cultural stuff is more important like

the pronouns are more important than

building an alternative to the democrats

so that's why i sideswipe all those

people is like i don't i don't think

anybody really believes that pronouns

are more important than alternative to

the democrats i think that there are um

there are some people

that act as complete cry bullies and

will try to catch somebody out like this

i see this happen a lot um and it

usually it's the same group of shitheads

that do this is like uh you'll be

responding to somebody and you may use

because you'll see somebody assume their

gender and then you might say like you

know she or her

uh rather than like layer them but they

don't actually have their pronouns in

their bio

and so like you accidentally mentioned

under somebody and they're like you just

you just misgendered me and it's like

how the fuck was i supposed to know like

you like there's no indication as to

what your gender

what what what what uh pronouns you use

so like what do you do

i know that that happens but i don't

think like in the

you know vast majority of encounters

that i've had and interactions that i've

had

that generally does not happen and i i

don't i think that like some of the

some of those like cry bully tendencies

are way over indexed and overstated i

think to allow some people to just get

away with being shitheads too i'll give

you an example of this so

specifically the communist party like a

real world example

yeah

so

there was a meeting where

someone

um

they were at the communist party

building

and someone was there who was wearing a

cowboy hat

and i guess they're like a rule person

they weren't saying anything bad they

weren't doing anything bad they're just

wearing a cowboy hat

so a day later

the people um

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in the communist party chapter that were

hanging out with that group where there

was a guy with a cowboy hat they had a

session talking about how that hat

made them feel uncomfortable they have

to like

not allow that stuff because it makes

them you know it reminds them of

oh give me a fuck yeah i mean it's just

shit like that and you got to ask the

question like

if people are being want to be serious

about building power that's alternative

to democrats i mean you're going to have

to tolerate way worse than that right

yeah so that's where i'm kind of coming

from when it comes to like when there's

they prioritize the pronouns over the

building an alternative the democrats

like i don't think they consciously

would admit to that but in practice i

feel like that's how it always works you

know

i yeah

i don't think that that's true i think

that that that tends to be

perhaps the

majority of encounters you have because

you do attract like antagonistic

elements and i do think

even even at times where you might be

saying

i see this actually i say this to

glenn uh my co-host on the unreacted

podcast i say this to him a lot and so

like if he was in this room

he he would be comfortable with me

saying this because i say to him

personally and in public

i'm like you know what glenn you might

be right about be right about this

particular thing but you're such a

fucking asshole about it that nobody can

actually hear you

right and it's like and we and we can

still be cool because i think he gets

that like like my my way of resolving

contradictions and conflict

is like all right so listen we may not

actually fucking agree on a single thing

here but we probably like we may not

agree as to like strategy or tactics but

we probably do agree

that

there is a problem like there is a root

problem that exists we just

very much disagree on what to do about

it

and i think that

for a lot of people even if

you've said something that has some

kernel of truth to it

it it's

like it comes across so inflammatory

that people what they will do is respond

to what they find inflammatory then more

so than

what it is that you're actually saying

that is possibly or probably true

you know what i mean

yeah like like for that like for example

i'll give you an example of this like

remember when we had that long-ass

conversation on the trucker convoy and

we got into this like this long like you

know sort of like

i think frustrating for both of us

circular debate on like

what constitutes like the working class

and cities and this that and whatever

but i think some like at a fundamental

level we did both understand that yeah

it's

the reason that they're in ottawa in the

first place is because of the

um the vaccine mandates

and the fact that it was dealt with by

an expansion and an exercise of state

power

that not only affected people who were

at that protest but essentially they

they made protests illegal

um and they expanded power to

banks

if not temporarily some of the

provisions are actually sticking around

on a long-term basis

that the banks can actually just

collude with government to

rat you out and

in in many senses like recall you like

like uh rico legislation you

into submission

that's a fucking problem so even though

we might disagree on like you know

whether or not the people at the protest

constitute the working class like i

frankly like i just don't give a shit

it's not really all that important i

think what is important though

is like what they were protesting in the

first place which i do think is a

massive overreach of state power the

idea that like you have to follow this

rule where you fucking starve you're

we're going to terminate your benefits

we're going to take away your business

your ability to eat and feed your like

that's fucked up and the way that they

deal with what i thought was at least

even if you don't like what it was they

were protesting and even if you don't

like the fact that they were like nazi

flags and that kind of shit

the fact of the matter was it should be

legal to engage and protest against your

government if they're doing something

that you find reprehensible

so the response to it was

i think like like edging on fascism and

making it very permissible and and sort

of setting a precedent with the canadian

public that government has the right to

squelch protest by whatever means

possible and they will recruit

your essential services that you need to

be able to work to

store money in a bank to be able to

communicate

um and like the the mechanisms by which

you do business i.e their trucks like

the government can just yank all of that

out from underneath you to stop you from

protesting that's a problem and i think

that

that issue like the uh you know the

the the uh

the engaging in constant warfare over

these things that are not primary

contradictions like their their

antagonisms yes but they're not primary

like they're not irreconcilable

engaging in constant warfare over that

rather than like i said like these the

actual primary contradictions why are we

having this conversation about like

you know the fact that you uh called it

organizing is a waste of time and i

think everyone's just like jumping in

here to kind of own you or dunk on you

because it's like how dare you say

organizing's a waste of time mike and

the first thing i wanted to come in here

ask is okay what do you mean by that

okay i i see what you mean i don't

totally agree but i can i can see how

this can be reconciled and i think that

like people's

tendency to want to jump in and wage war

over those i think oftentimes

easily manageable contradictions and

take their eye off of the actual primary

contradictions the things that are

actually causing us to be oppressed to

be measurable to lose our jobs lose our

ability to feed ourselves and take care

of our children

the the fact that we

take our eye off of that that we're not

talking about what's happening at the

davos conference that is a big fucking

problem

yeah i mean i think one of the things we

probably just disagree about is that for

me

one of the most important ways to awaken

people

to those real problems

is to awaken them to this acute

and i think it is an antagonistic

contradiction

between form and content plainly put the

reason i'm so inflammatory in those and

i i had a tweet that got someone took a

screenshot and got 10 000 likes whereas

out of context and i said fuck union

organizing

i just think my callousness and

disrespect for the slogan

and these that level of provocation i'm

just trying to

show people there's such an acute

antagonism

and contradiction

between the actual reality and the

discourse that's used to describe and

relate to it

and the reason i think it's an

antagonistic contradiction is because i

think all these slogans and phrases

people are attaching so much weight to

are being used in such a way

to actually in actual reality mean their

opposite

now organizing is a fine thing but the

way this phrase is being used for

example

leads to an immense disorganization

right

and when people everyone who was virtue

signaling about union organizing in

february when i actually said that they

their activity it translated into the

exact opposite in real life which was

you know we haven't had a labor victory

in this country for like decades next it

was only chris smalls with the amazon

labor union

who was who was not in any way um i mean

that was coming from the amazon workers

themselves not the sloganeers and phrase

mongers on twitter it wasn't coming from

the labor aristocracy it wasn't coming

from you know uh it wasn't coming from

the afl-cio or whoever

it was coming from the ufcw it's coming

from a worker who was trying to you know

uh create a safer environment for his

colleagues and amazon can him for it

yeah i get that yeah and it was also

over the the lockdown stuff which

i think also created a huge level of

trust

like

the workers saw okay he's not fought

he's not just not some democrat agenda

this is actually someone

you know who's not taking a side

or isn't serving a specific political

agenda so that was there was that too

but that's besides the point seems the

point that i'm trying to make is that

i think there needs to be a way to shock

people out of this false consciousness

of

thinking discourse and reality are the

same thing i want people to have a sense

of

real life

outside of discourse

and

i guess it's kind of like a

um

it does it's a double-edged sword

because it also ends up having people

associate me with

real world positions i don't have

but i would rather have that

and have

be able to grow the community that i

have that can like

attach weight to real things instead of

the words used to describe them

i mean you're not going to find any

disagreement with me on that that's

exactly what i told you was my last

straw like i don't give a shit if

somebody uses the word crazy in my

presence what i care about is whether

people have access to mental

mental health care right um yeah i i

guess like i i i do see where you're

coming from i

i take a totally different attack with

that i think it is possible um

to be able to have those conversations

but i think what it actually requires is

not

uh to shock people i think what it does

require is a level of fearlessness that

if you take a

position on something and you know that

this is like a principal position that

like not only your

colleagues comrades but the history of

your political tradition can back up

then fucking do that like an example is

you know i get called a

i i get i i get told that i'm part of

the stress or right rot that i'm a nos

bowl that i'm a genocide denier and that

i'm a fascist why

because

i

took the time to look into these claims

that

uyghur people were being genocided by

the chinese

and found that the root claims from

which this uh or the the the root

studies from which this claim arises

were absolute bullshit like

no statistician would ever look at the

study by the china human rights

defenders

and if it was like handed in as an

undergrad project it would get an f you

know what i mean so when i when i talked

about that and i what i did was take

english language sources and show the

contradictions that even like

the west was exposing itself because

nobody had their fucking stories

straight

um and many of the people that they were

like taking on these tours for

um like dissenter journalism were people

that were constantly changing their

stories and whose stories made no sense

whatsoever one of them uh teresa and

isaiah wooden

her

uh story was contradicted by the fact

that she had a passport that that was

completely out of whack with the time

that she said that she was incarcerated

and when cnn showed her passport they

actually blurred the dates out so that

nobody would be able to catch on like

hey yo your story makes no fucking sense

right

for pointing those things out i was

called the genocide denier and you know

i'm cool with that i'm never going to

back down from it because the fact is

though a lot of that stuff was bullshit

um the fact that uh a story just came

out the other day uh that apparently

there was like a leak

uh

by like the chinese cultural system that

you know this these are the amount of

people that they've been uh they've

uh incarcerated

uh that they've like quote unquote

re-educated and so on and so on that

they've been held in these like

torturous conditions that they were held

at gunpoint

it was not only was it bullshit like

somebody produced a screen cap from a

part of the report where the cursor was

visible

so it's like hey yo not only is this

like written in the long in the wrong

dialect but

why is the cursor blinking

this in this piece that you screencast

right sure like that like yeah and when

you point these things out people get

really mad at you and they call you all

kinds of names you know another one for

example is that like the the russian

ukraine conflict where like

you know people will just like argue to

the death that we should be arming like

the fucking tornado battalion you know a

bunch of like rapists and murderers and

you know on top like on top of the fact

that they're neo-nazis they're also some

of the like the worst fucking human

beings that this earth ever produced um

but we should be putting guns in their

hands because the russians are invading

and they're imperialists or whatever the

hell people say right

and when i say to people like yo like

this conflict is not just

uh it didn't just arise in the past

couple of years and it didn't even just

arise in 2014

it actually arose after the dissolution

of the soviet union

after several years of boris yeltsin

essentially being the american lap dog

and then

you had

vladimir putin who for several years

didn't do jack shit to provoke americans

and had the americans had no problem

with them

until he said you know what fuck this

you don't want us in nato you don't want

us in the eu you also want to uh

have uh

uh you want to sponsor a coup in ukraine

that endangers um our

black sea fleet

uh that they're going to deny us passage

to the the black sea and we're gonna

have to give up part of our the some of

the massive strength of our naval

battalion and on top of that you're

going to build a dam to cut people in

the premium peninsula off from water now

fuck that we're taking it back see you

later right that's when that was when

the problem arose not everything that

happened before that and again you point

these things out and people say that

you're a russian bot you're a putinista

you're actually an imperialist and it's

just like

i don't fucking care you you mean

nothing to me you obviously want to

remain ignorant because you want to be

on the winning team so it's like when

you go through shit like that to me it's

like yeah you do have to stand on very

solid and firm principles

i i don't think that it's necessary to

not to shock anybody i think what is

necessary is just to tell the truth

yeah i mean um

you know this is really it's funny you

brought up the uh oygar genocide stuff

because believe it or not

what has

the single thing that propelled me to

infamy in in terms of the left the first

thing that made me infamous and made a

bunch of people dislike me

this was the domino effect that started

everything else

was the fact that i was one of the most

prominent live streamers in at least

twitch politics

that was

continually pushing back against the

genocide allegations every time people i

would get into debates with people about

socialism or communism and stuff and

they would bring up china

oftentimes leftists right

and they'd like what about the oygger

genocide going on in china so it kind of

it's it it's uh

it snowballed into me being known as the

oyeger genocide denier right and i was

the only person who was known as that

pretty much and that was

you know i i didn't know that i was

everything was permitted i was basically

taking hits on twitter discourse i

didn't know that you were taking hits on

twitch discord yeah and all of the

animosity toward me all of the smears

all the negativity that came my way was

exclusively because

of the euger genocide stuff

now you know regarding other the other

shit

and this this thing about and also yeah

another thing that earned me a huge

animosity among a much broader audience

was the russian ukraine stuff i was like

the biggest streamer on twitch

covering the russia ukraine stuff from a

anti-imperialist perspective

so the thing is though is that to me

what this ultimately boils down to

is what people

will consider the primary contradiction

to be

to be so if someone considers the

primary contradiction to be

anti-imperialism

and in the concrete sense of opposing

the deep state opposing what you said

you know like this new kind of fascistic

turn of the canadian government the turn

the american government's taking i mean

as long as that's the primary

contradiction and people are wanting to

focus on building forms of power outside

of the democrats political power i mean

and challenging uh the imperialist deep

state and

the world economic forum and so on and

so on i mean clearly you and i have a

very different strategy

and a very different approach

but as long as we can agree on what the

primary contradiction is i mean i don't

see why we could just like

let reality decide what's going to be

more effective i think that

to me i

want i think there needs to be a

profound awakening a profound like cut

it sounds like from what you're saying

you believe that there can be more of a

kind of

continuity in terms of being able to get

people to understand the truth right

whereas i kind of feel like i i well i

just want to i just want to

and sorry to interrupt you just i i

here's the thing i'm not positioning it

as which of our approaches is more

effective yeah i have no idea i have no

idea what this is more effective

it's really more so it's like it's

really more though but i have to be able

to

i have to be able to do the work that i

do and have integrity for myself

and what's important to me is that i'm

not hurting people that i might

otherwise love and respect because i

want to do this political project

because i'm like yeah to me to me you

can't engage in to me like you know like

the act of being a committed socialist

and this is to me this is to me i'm not

saying anybody else has to believe what

i believe but to me like the

the act of being a committed communist

and having scientific socialist

principles comes out of a place of love

and compassion so like if i'm talking

about like changing material conditions

so that people are no longer oppressed

then it's like well i'm talking about

like how it is that i am compassionate

for not just like myself and my family

my community but the rest of the world

um i want them to be able to experience

the same kinds of freedom that i want to

experience for myself

and i can't do that

on like a vague like broad scale if i'm

not also

uh treating people in my personal life

with the same level of love and respect

that's just for my own personal

integrity

i'm just trying to say

if

most if that if this was of like even a

remotely broad consensus on the left

i don't even think i would have ever

become as antagonistic as i would if

people would have just said you know

what has

you we i don't agree with your strategy

i'm talking about the concrete strategy

of like you know the the patriotism

stuff and you know not necessarily

burning the flag i i don't necessarily

agree with your strategy but since we

have the same goal in mind and that's

the primary contradiction i mean we're

gonna have our strategy we're going to

go more towards the you know kind of um

educated segments and you want to go

towards more like

the you know

people i don't consider the working

class we just agree about who the

working class is but that's fine but we

have the same understanding of the

primary things that make me disagree

about who the working class is honestly

like no no yeah yeah i'm just saying

even even if we did right i'm just

saying like

then we could just have our different

approaches and when it comes to the info

or we don't we don't we don't have to

attack each other we can just like focus

on what the enemy is and i i would love

that right i would love for the ability

for us to just be able to disagree about

the strategy while agreeing about what

the primary contradiction is

but

the issue for me is it's like there has

been there have been so many people who

came out and were just like you know

what

the primary contradiction is not

imperialism

it's like

some other you know it's it's

it's some interpersonal issue that they

you know felt picked on by a particular

group of people so yeah like an example

of this

yeah an example of this was like my band

from twitch right

now i don't really care if people

personally hate me but there were

influencers who positioned themselves as

anti-imperialists

and

i'm not going to name names but

it's like they were celebrating my

twitch band

but i got banned for a reason

you would have gotten banned for two if

you were principled which would i was

pushing back on all these disinformation

that was being spread about russia's

atrocities in ukraine and the reasons

for russia being in ukraine like i

wasn't banned for being uh you know

transphobic or or whatever or being

sexist or

i was banned for covering this in a

specific way so it's like why

why do you find it to be the primary

contradiction i mean that's a really

minor example because who cares about

twitch right but i'm just saying it's

like i think i think the broader problem

is that and i i i've seen this happen

with like

um twitter accounts that people that

people don't like uh

and it's like it's not like they don't

like them because they're bigots they

don't like them because

they're like offering a position that

that cuts against the pro ukrainian

position

uh and so like they'll get suspended for

having shared a video on

a disputed like rocket attack or

something like that right and showing

like actually no it probably wasn't the

russians and here's why right uh you

know uh the russia doesn't use thoughts

kayu anymore they use iskander missiles

and so on and so on and then their

account gets suspended and then people

rejoice so for it i'm like

i mean

you can be happy about that if you want

but one day you're going to find

yourself on the wrong side of the

political line and it's going to be you

that is getting

mixed

uh because you're not towing the right

line so you know have fun with all that

yeah that's that's exactly my view you

know and i just

i

i don't all i want to say is that just

as how i started out in the beginning

like i don't want to be the guy who

creates

the problem and just in the sense of

like

you know

i don't i don't want to say leftists

need to be attacked just for existing

everything has just been my experience

of how they reacted to me and

you know it's just that i've come to i

maybe i'm wrong i may be wrong right and

you may be right

and that would be fine right i think

reality would be the best test of that i

mean like the passage of time i guess

um

but just from how i see it just the

instinct that i've picked up it's my

intuition and again maybe i'm wrong and

there should be a diversity of

perspectives on here because you know

not everyone's gonna be right and it's

better that there's more possibilities

right

um

it's just that my perspective has been

that like a lot of these things have

been proxies for real world

institutions like i i i mean there's

yeah i i kind of yeah i agree with you

there in the sense that like you know

you have said inflammatory shit and i do

get why people are upset at you

and uh it's whatever but like i do agree

on like

there's always a final boss of bigotry

some right now the final boss of bigotry

is tucker carlson right which is not to

say that i i think tucker carlson is an

opportunist opportunistic shit bag but

i

you know getting tucked tucker crosston

off the air won't accomplish a damn

thing because before tucker carlson

there was

uh bill o'reilly and blue dobbs and

before then there was rush limbaugh and

before him like there's always father

cochlin there's always somebody like

there's always somebody that's occupying

like the final boss position right

yeah

alex jones and glenn beck and whoever

the fuck

and it's like well

they're

fall from popularity did that change

anything no

so like we've just gotten into this

whole like people call it a culture war

i don't think it's that i think it's

really a war of language and aesthetics

like

you know you're you're

saying something that is not only like

offensive to me personally but you're

doing it in such a way that offends what

i think like a civilized society should

act like and

we need to get rid of you and i think

like you know do do i

listen to a glenn beck do i think he has

anything worthwhile to say did i

listen to rush limbaugh i think actually

i mean that no let me not lie i did

listen to glenn beck and rush limbaugh

just so i could know what they were

saying and how their people think just

same reason i read the financial times i

want to know how the ruling class talks

to each other but am i going to advocate

for like you know people to boycott the

financial times or

for people to get trucker carlson off

the air no because tucker carlson is

he's a thermometer he's an indicator of

the problem which is fascism

so i i i don't see him as the problem i

see him as a leading

like a leading indicator of the problem

uh and

the problem itself

is

this like uh

this waxing and waning between

capitalism as benefactor and capitalism

as uh

as as

condemnation like

punitive means of informing forcing

fascism right so like we have this idea

that capitalism can be good that uh

there is such a thing as like a an ideal

capitalism that has been corrupted by

crony capitalism and once we get rid of

the crony capitalists everything will be

okay and it's like you're harkening back

to an era that never fucking existed and

never will

so this idea that you get rid of these

people these like harbingers of you say

fascism and neo-nazism and whatever you

don't get rid of the actual problem

which is yeah bill gates is sitting like

very like you know sitting like a

king attended to by a court in

switzerland right now

basically uh dictating to his

liege lords

how to

uh engage in the process of colonizing

africa splitting up its land all over

again plundering its resources

managing reproduction managing food

managing access to medicine like this is

what these people are sitting around

doing right now while we bicker over

meaningless bullshit and who which final

boss of bigotry we need to get rid of

that so that we can live together don't

you think that's crony capitalism thing

that's a lot similar to the utopians

though where

maybe they have are projecting an ideal

of capitalism that isn't real

but there still are

referring to something real which is

like the actual

not not an ideal capitalist right it

goes both ways like a lot of times

marxists are focusing on this ideal of a

capitalist

instead of the ones you just mentioned

like the ones at the world economic

forum that are like the real ones and

there's clearly a difference between the

two

where

the reason i give those people such good

faith

who say crony capitalism

is because i know that they're

the people that are in their crosshairs

are the right people they just have a

utopian kind of solution to it

and

no when i say when i say like foreign

capitalists

it's mostly progressives that use that

language

um a lot of like uh

a lot of people who come from a more i

would say like right-wing or even

reactionary

uh stance will say things like it's it's

elites they won't say corny capitalists

they'll say

it's you know what corporations and it's

elites it's people that are forcing

these things down our throat blah blah

and they have this idea and this

actually i think um comes from and it

often does revert to anti-semitism which

is that there is a cabal of shadowy

elites that come from

like

old money rich families that are well

connected but also hidden in the shadows

and they're the ones that really pull

the strings behind everything and the

rest of us are just like subject to

their whims they

so yeah i i mean

again

i think they identify the problem but

they identify that there is a problem

but their analysis of it is off well i

don't i don't know if that's inherently

anti-semitic because i think you can

really point to these families

and these dynasties

overwhelming majority of which are not

jewish

that come from i don't know so like i i

know that the i'm gonna put this so i

know that you know a lot of the uh the

old money that is still present i know

that they're all formerly not jewish but

uh when it comes out of the mouth of

reactionary it usually gets processed as

and they're all jewish or they're mostly

jews yeah that that tends to happen when

you know i don't know if you know that

guy ernesto lacrow right

where you have something he called it a

floating signifier where it's like this

spontaneous ambiguous intuition people

have

tends to be correct

and then it just becomes like hardened

in a certain specific way to become this

like huge narrative

and i think that's what happens with

anti-semitism but a lot of times i feel

like leftists throw the baby out of the

bathwater where

they're attacking this spontaneous kind

of ambiguous conspiratorial

consciousness where it's like there's

these elites and they are plotting

against us which i think is true and

it's the right yeah i mean black people

do that too they call it the illuminati

but yeah it's just yeah the problem is

it presents itself differently with

different people yeah but i i feel like

the problem is when that hardens into a

form of um

like a dogma if you will

where the problem isn't so much when

people like oh it's the illuminati it's

like okay now i'm gonna try and like

understand the illuminati and create a

science of understanding the illuminati

and like create an ideology around it

and that's where it starts to subvert

its own

like uh

i guess revolutionary potential where

they just

pretty much use it to try to explain

everything away

instead of focus on that original

instinct of recognizing that the people

in power

um

do not actually represent you that's one

of the biggest forms of class

consciousness to me is like people vote

every four years more or less to feel

like they're responsible for the system

but when you realize you're not

responsible for this system whether you

vote or not

and that your vote doesn't even make a

difference because the system

is the people who are responsible for

the system are radically different than

you are

i think that is probably the first and

most authentic form of class

consciousness and that often does lead

to conspir like a a coherent conspiracy

theory of some kind whether it's

anti-semitism in the

extreme right-wing case or illuminati or

whatever else i just yeah i think it's

important not to write it off you know

uh george lucas actually touched on that

and but he also emphasized the

importance of concretizing that

consciousness because when it's sort of

free-floating it can often lend itself

to reactionary and fascistic thought

and the way to

the concrete consciousness is to apply

the you know the the principles