DEFENDING THE CANADIAN TRUCKERS [2022-02-07]

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they're not so tough now when they left their fucking twitter echo chamber are they

because here we run the shit here don't we sow we run the shit s whle we run the shit let me see those gorillas in a mother fucking chat sow these puter mother fuckers that when they come here or they're lost in alone in a put of gorillas you're not on puter anymore litt bitch you not on puter anymore little bitch you don't got your likes or followers on pwitter here

bitch you in the fucking cage with the gorilla here this is fucking whitch we run this shit here bitch we run this shit not a single aml on whitch bigger than me thank you farrah khan i run the shit here mother fuker not so tough here now are you go on twitter run your fucking mouth and get your fucking likes that in't run here you understand you come here youre going to get torn up

my gourilla army mother fuker not so tough when you get in my fucking b c right when this dd there's a dodude on twitter he game in my v c he's basically sucking me off he sucking my cog why because he's looking at my chat and he's in the presence of a con you understand when he goes on twitter to disrespect me because he knows he's got all these

followers and likes to back him up you come here you fucking bow before the con mother bucker you don't get my b c and bring that same energy you would never bring that same energy in my bucking b c here on which you would never bring that same energy to which mother fuker you just your keyboard warrior on twitter if you're going to be an online warrior at least use your voice thank you

they did respect me on twitter but then they come on switch and suck my coc that's how it works they disrespect me on twitter but then they come on to switch and suck my cock that's what these people do every single one

and we're making moves out here and need jo to know we're making moves out here if you don't know jackson just went on ar t i'm going on ar t next we're arranging it jackson just went on ur t we're making moves out here mother fucker me jackson samira we got a podcast plan the fuck of these twitter little pieces of shit m

these pieces shit soon in a few months they're all going to be sucked in my cap oh ha i'm so sorry i miss anddres out the buck bitch i care about first impressions mother buker you go jiss that mother fuck and ring sucks my top that's what you know a buck and do all these twitter lefties wile the sud i want to swarm mommy suck my dick now right

i want you to understand something in this country in america in north america besides mexico in the english speaking parts of north america we are going to run the shit marxism leninism that's our shit gound to stand that's our shit you'll never going to have nothing to do with that bunch of by dong p sas shit you' not going to have nothing

to do with that this is our shit bit twitter is not going to help you thank you dark thank you dark saate i challenge one one of these mother fucket m ls to try and make it on switch try to make it on you tube live streaming luntle or liuntle oil who lunle oil who i t quatuple her in viewers concurrent viewers there is not a single marxist line in this live streamer that come close

wh me they don't even fucking come close and i'll tell you wy because i'm the only real marxist lenin is out here live streaming besides jackson and soon to be samira thank you sad boy appreciate you and we got to get some honks in the chat hong kong hong conong on those trucks we're honking those trucks in his bitch let me get a honking sound effect

let me get a honking sound effect we're going to get that shit thank you spartan doginp preciate your brother thank you paper wen preciate your brother let's do it already to hat i'll hear that

don't hear that

listen you got to understand where we are bitch wake up

you all wake up

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wake up wake up wake up we're here bitch wake up wake up here we are bit wake up bitch yeah we're here all you fake gens i don'g and mouss you got no power here big you just look keyboard

y on twitter youer foker you don't got any power here thank you reaper the creeper appreciate you thank you so much reaper the creeperpcate you and we're going to play a song when to play a song

it's called the convoy because we're dealing with some trucker convoys yout a copy here rubber duck out here in this bitch right understand this is our mother fucking convoy out here convoy boy fkt the door butf you come talk shoold to me on switch you see what happens stay on twitter a little bitch

we're right we're having our convoy now dark that's what no madicism means in the twenty first century we're driving our trucks for we're no mads in our trucks we and we're honking about a mile out of shakywn thank you louy b

nothing's going to get in our way nothing geting in our way mother fuk little twitter little beaches bunch of b re stars and craft brewery little urban nights were in certly thosees

the countryside as mo taught us to do toll strangle the city ca circle the city on the ong it up on the from them bear wall the wall heh them smoke is as thick as bugs on the bumper bear in the air the tom boys coming to america to we havebo thank you rico there we're going to have an american convoy

yeah that's right come on join not come nothing on geting our way that's right we're not going to let them get away with the great reset agenda right you will own nothing and be happy you will own nothing and be happy

peter state youll on these nots mother fucker call swab on these nots or all of our swindle sheets left set on scale by the time we hit that shell me town you will own nothing and be happy the going to fly is it from the is we got our trucks out here we've got our conboy out here and we're not going to let that should happen of every size and them chicken coops was full of bears and choppers fill the skies

wll we shot the line we went for brok with a thousand screaming trucks and eleven lone haired friends of jesus in as sure truce microbuzz rubber or rubber duck is out here behind that you think we're going to denounce those canadian truckers because they got some problematic ideologies among themselves

because there's some i don't give a blood b's ideology i'm with human beings real human beings re flesh and blood human beings beating heart human beings that's what we're with and communism in the twenty first century we're on that convoy

we're going to have a convoy communism convoy communism twenty twenty four convoy communism twenty twenty four what you're is going to be a convoy k h k n b o w's going to be a wing of the communist party we're going to be a convoy in his bitch convoy communism in his bitch

we're going to have a communist convoy in this bitch

where the they now hey by the way

where's these twitter left thees now wheres qt now nowhere to be found he will never debate me that's ok because we're out here they don't got no power here they got no power herewn come on they're tough on twitter they're mean on twitter disrespectful on twitter but you bow in the presence of the khan on twitch don't you like oh with a chat like this

look at all the trucks in my chat look at all the trucks and tanks in my chat show my convoy chat show my convoy that's why they feel coming in my v c by the way that's why they won't get in my v c show my trucks show what we got on to show mamy tank show my arsenal show my convoy then this here's a rubberm hammer

so what we got they will never have this they will never have this unity they will never have this love they will never have this power they will never have this solidarity and that's why these mother buckers come at we're halking in this busin let's hog in his we're going to be haunting in the bin

by the time we got into tots town we had eighty five truks but there's a road block up on the clover leave the bear talk in mich eh them smok is as thick as books on the ber they even had a bear their i says calling all trucks this here's thei we aout to go there

were with those truckers we're with those truckers all the way were with those truckers youret back off well we rolled up interstate forty

for like a rockt slid on rail we tore up all our swi sh left and set on scale by the time we hit that shot town the bear was a gett smart they brogt up some reinforcements from the illinois national guard there's armored cars tanks jeep briks of every size and the chicken coops with full of bears and chop am let's teach this convoy go we shot the line

and we went for brook with a thousand screaming trucks and living along here friends of jesus in the sure truth microbesd let's go let's get in that con boy guys geting that tomy n my here well we laid a script from the jersey shore this is what they fear this is

what they fear we say nothing and be happy we say what we say the say you will own nothing and be happy oh really t's see about that even night bot is in our convoy we'ven got night bot in this bit we're driving our trucks we're driving our

tanks remember we're tankyes and that includes trucks i trucks are bid like tanks weere tankees were no mads we're driving across the country we're driving across the land modern day nomads modern day mongols modern day nomads gang is con of the trucks

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that's right keep oning we're not going to stop hon we're not going to stop hon the trying to impose the great reset agenda on us trying to make us into service trying to make us into slaves and we're honking instead and we're honking back that's right

got thes it's like got a second was a dark on the sixth of can pll cab over peop the reer jimmy we hit for bear on i want what are you waiting for what are you waiting for

go on join the convoy join the convoyre you waiting for and you love to see it and we love to see it we love to see people resisting the agenda that they're trying to impose on us just in trudeau that

agenda to try to impose on us they forgot feeds this country they forgot who fed canada they forgot the truckers deliver see the city all the shit there ordering on amazon or you forgot about who's delivering your shit on amazon don't you you want your amazon jef bass great reset right you fucking liberals

but you forgot who's delivering your shit now didn't you you forgot who runs the shit you forgot who reces the wheels of canada and america you forgot about that working class now didn't you carl schab davos great reset you wanted to impose your agenda but you forgot who puts the food on your fucking table

offarnin mercy thingt back off another tm well we rolled up interstate forty four like a rock slid on rail we tore up all of our swinle shee left set on scale by the time we hit that shot down the bear get smart they brogt up reinforcement from the illinois national guard there's armored cars tanks jeep

sring every size and the chicken coops was full of bears and choppers fill the ski whre we shot the line we went for bro with a sreamre honking you spll the chicken tendees and we're honking he threw his chicken tendees at the wall and we're honking

we're going to build that land bridge we're going to build that ld land bridge and the convo is going to cross the land bridge we're going to trade we're going to bring wealth and prosperity to our people's we're going to develop our forces of production we're going to build that land bridge we're going to drive over that land bridge

they forgot who fed them that's the problem isn't it they forgot who fed them they forgot where their foods coming from they forgot where their goods are coming from didn't they forget didn't they forget

didn't they forget

that's right that's right and how did it come to the point where the so called communists the so called marxist leninist the so called fighters and defenders of the working class are clutching their perls with the liberal bgi in the cities in fear in revolsion against this uprising of the people coming

from the countryside the marxist the so called marxist the so called communist are fully aligned with the liberal elite and their great reset agenda basing themselves in the cities to impose their tyranny and impose their will on the people of every country enemies of the people fake m ls

fake communist revisionist crucialvites were storm in the headquarters in this bitch cultural revolution two point zero storm in the headquarters the revisionists will not win the revisionist will not prevail we're going to have a mighty uprising a movement of the people that's going to be a tsunami that

the left that wipes the left clean of the professional managerial class the traders who destroyed the soviet union are well and active and at large the traders who destroyed the soviet union are at large in our ranks the liberals and traders who destroyed the eastern bloc

who destroyed the soviet union who peddled the fucking cultural pll revolutions are well at large in our fucking ranks we're going to have a marxism leninism without the traitors we're going to have a real marxism leninism we're going to kick out the traitors from the communist party we're going to put our own people in we're going to make that a

ady of the working class and in sh lw that communist party is going to lead its own communist convoy left scale by the time we hit that town them bears smart they brought up reinforcements from the illinois national guard their armored cars take briks of every size and the chicken full of bear

st the line we went they don't like the honking i don't like your great reset you don't like my honking i don't like your great reset thank you laddo thank you laddo you don't like that honking i don't like your agenda i don't like your great reset i don't like

like your attempt to curtael on our civil liberties i don't like your cia i don't like your deep state i don't like your i m f i don't like your nato i don't like your foreign interventions i don't like your drones i don't like you wars

we're going to have one more we're reaching our destination soon the convoys reaching his destination soon when to have one more

go so i want to see all those trucks in the chat i want to see those tanks in the chat because we're keep on going we're almost there and we're almost there we got a few minutes so we reach our destination and settle down and plan and discuss what's going on so let's go at of focus let's keep those honks let's keep ononking let's keep onking and this time we're going to honk is loud we're going to hong ten times louder than before this time i want to see the

tho honks in my chat we're going to be honking much louder than before now making our last run making our last delivery run in his bitch n the six cable jimmy it's too bad it's too bad sh

they forgot that heaven and earth are e it's too bad that they forgot heaven comes from earth and earth descends from heaven it's too bad that they forgot that from the soil of the people they're going to get humble these liberals with their agenda you forgot who fed you bitch

you forgot who built your country you forgot who built our country you forgot who built your state you forgot who built your society it's the truckers it's the electricians s the construction workers it's the miners it's the factory workers you didn't settle your account now did you you

thought you could just get away with implementing your agenda with no pushback and nothing happening bitch we got trucks in this bitch and we got horns and we're honking those horns in this bitch you don't know the meaning of mongols if you don't know that the truckers are with us you don't know that the truckers are the modern

day mongols the modern day nomads humbling the cities humbling empires twenty thirty six we're going to have a communist convoy it's going to go from new york to l a it's going to go from san francisco to florida it's going to go throughout the whole country our own convoy mother fucker

there's armored cars tanks jeep briks of every size and the chicken coops was full of bears and chops fill the skies wll we shot the line we went for broke with a thousand screaming trucks and eleven long haired friends jesus in a sure truce microb get in there t behind the

jocking ne mind me you were getting there lo sript for the jersey shore pping across the line i could see the bridge was line there but i didn't have a dong done di i says pink ma this here's a rubber we just nined to go to pay no to so craz to g do in ninety eight hen them trumker roll like those trumkers roll

you nw that let those truckers roll he nothing going to get our way nothing

all right we're pulling up to our destination we're pulling up to our destination

fulling up to our destination

y all got to understand

ain't nothing going to get in our way this convoy's breaking through mother fucker

yeah you thought you was going to get away with it you thought you would get away with it

you didn't get away with shit

every single liberal perlin

clutching their pearls about this shit mother foker you're not going to stop shit

youy're clutching their pearls

oh they're honking too loud

you're honking too loud here let me give you some ear muffs mother fucker you're talking too loud your great reset is too loud

your gread reset too loud

didn't think about that

now did you

but you never thought about that now did you

all right so

convoy pulled up

and now

we're going to get to the bottom of this whole thing

there's a lot of people seem to be confused

about this whole convoy thing and what it means

a lot of people seem to be confused about what this whole thing means i'm trying what the implications are i got to reallyry and what this has to do

jus why is the convoy a working class phenomenon

i'm coming o to korea w lot of confusion that needs to be sorted out

and we're going to begin from twitter all right no going to begin from twitter so i made a simple tweet just made a simple tweet

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made a simple tweet

kick the hose out i'm on a wintertime grass

staying on the club

to it started here

this is holw i started the canadian truckers represent a spontaneous working class uprising at its most raw real and authentic level the fact that this is even a debate up for negotiation

ve that western marxism has nothing in common with marxism l thank you so much lord ventose and we're going to actually get to the bottom of this following me right so we got some responses to this and i'm going to highlight these responses understand

our convoy has broken some brains

and it looks like some people need to learn about

yeah this dumb ass in my chat president zelenski of ukraine

so zelenski is aligned with the deep state he's align with the democrats he's aligned with trudeau the canadian liberals and nato and of course he's going to say oh they're petite bgoi they're not working class because they own their own tracks and that means they're not working class and there's a whole lot we're going to go through and talk about on this stream and by the end of this stream

i'm going to guarantee you

i'm going to guarantee you and tell you something by the end of the stream in good faith if you do not walk away agreeing with me

make

you're a fucking idiot

by the end of the streams now this dude these people whatever his name was

this dude was bothering me when i was on my android i was at the gym on my android so i didn't have time to pull up all these sources and statistics and shit

we're actually going to get to the bottom of it

we're going to get to the bottom of it here and now

and we're going to be talk and i will make this a video we're going to be talking about that convoy you understand

we're getting to the bottom of it now you understand

so

we got some responses to this

sohould the fuck up president zelenski you fuck an idiot

thank

how about you get in my b cs i'm going to break down every facet of every possible argument in this bitch so actually this is how you are a responded to me first of all i'm going to tell you a few things that you have to understand when it comes to this whole convoy first thing right off the bat i don't want to hear about nazi flags and confederate flags those

are not representative of the fucking freedom convoy there was like one guy who went there and they took a photo op and then he was kicked out that's what happened to the confederate guy i'm sure the same thing happened to the nazi flag guy you understand so don't come at me and tell me about oh there was not there was a nazi flag of the convoy that was an op that was an op

an ot by the british intelligence or someone else the cia fucking the legitimize the convoy movement in the eyes of the people the media intentionally misrepresented that movement one or two guys came with those fucking flags and nothing else

all you have to do is send a guy with a pucking nazi flag to delegitimize an entire movement and an entire protest yeah you may buy that in your mainstream media bubble where you are and your little like bubble where you actually think that's how shit works

zelenski shut the fuck up because i'm going to fucking actually blow the fuck out of every argument you're making about oh the owner operator and employer trucker distinction we're actually going to talk about that so you're going to have to wait every possible argument you've thought of i've already destroyed

five steps ahead of you so shut the fok up ok i'm specifically going one by one every single argument against communist seeing in the convoy the working class movement understand yes many of the people in the freedom convoy are see many of them are see

my project number

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o i'm going to read you something i can't show it you because it's a swastika but i can read it to you so the photo of the swastika flag was taken in the terrace of the building the photographer was standing on the lower part of the terrace the people with the flags are standing on the steps you want to know what that means

it means it was staged it's not like someone showed up to a proachess and just saw nazi flats it was staged to make it seem like the protesters are a bunch of nazis and if you believe that you're a fucking idiot i'm going to break this down to very simply why would truck drivers

been why would this be about being a nazi they're truck drivers

what does that have to do with being a nazi

truck drivers are protesting vaccine mandates

why the fok

would that be grounds for

the confederate flag or the nazi flag i'll tell you why because the media is basically saying

because a lot of these people are white

and this game is this is the game they play

they do this race bullshit using minorities against the population

they're the racst they're used trying to divide people based on race

because a lot of these caugt convoy people happen to be white

they're trying to spook the population by saying oh they're white supremacist and they're racist and that's why they're doing this and it's a it's a tactic they're doing and i'll tell you why they're doing this tactic because if the poor migrant minorities in canada unite with those convoy people that will be the end of the canadian ruling clas

so the're trying to divide them and it goes both ways i know goes both ways but if those convoy people those truckers unite with those indentured servants in canada with those immigrants that spells the end of the the canadian ruling class so they're trying to divide people based on race trying to divide the working class and that's what's actually fucking going on

with the shit it's a tried and tested tactic that they've always fuck and used to divide the people they've always used this fucking tactic

so they stage the photograph of someone with the swastika and that's what everyone's saying is defining the movement one fucking photograph one fucking op they fucking did and all of a sudden they're all nazis they're all fascists

the professional managerial parasites seething with venom have hatred in their hearts

for the working class and for the people you want to know why because the working class and the people they humble them these fucking truckers are the ones delivering their fuckin amazon packages to their fuckin high rise fuckin apartments and that's what's going on here

so we're not even going to discuss this bullshit about them being nazis or being whatever because that's sastik was staged the confederate shit that guy was kicked out he was not welcome the working class runs this world that's exactly right

argument number two and this is what these dumb asses in my chat are getting at and everyone seems to be pointing out ah my god ha a wait a second aren't you a communist as you are communist aren't you well

the canadian truckers are vocally anti communist and they're against communism and they're ideologically not aligned with you what do you think you think they're just going to become communist is that what you think are you deluded

i'm going to do of you a favor i'm going to do you a favor because i think you should google this

so i think you should go on wikipedia

and you don't even have to read the whole thing

but just read this part

just read this part of wikipedia

right

and then come back to me

with that shit you're saying about how ideologically they're not aligned with you has

because i think you're fucking confused about what's going on here i think you're really confused

about the relationship between ideology and class

and we're going to actually have to break it down right so google materialism and marxism on just google it and just read a ped or something because you're so fucking ignorant of basic marxism you're going to bring up to me the argument that ideologically ideology doesn't even fuck and matter that much when we're talking about this why do why should ideology matter that much i mean ideology does have a play

and i'll explain that place i'll explain that place but this is just stupid you think politics is about ideas or about classes and it's that simple is it is it about ideas or is it about classes i know that these convoy people are not ideo

logically aligned with me so we have a dumb fuck in my chat who came a little too late i'm not repeating myself because i just buking addresst their fascist argument so past that point and now we're talking about the anti communism

ok now we're talking about the anti communism part because we already de bunk the thing about them being nazis or fascist we read de bunk that stupid bullshit

king leak get in my fuck and v c and defend that point

zyored literally just addressed it

thank

okay

now

the second thing

is about the anti communism we're going to have to restart

we know they are ideologically anti communist we know they harbor many beliefs that i don't agree with those beliefs congratulations do't they're libertarians the exact opposite of communism you're a fucking idiot is not confined by ideology it's not defined by ideology it's defined by material

class struggles certain ideologies often give form to that class struggle that are unscientific that are not necessarily correct that presnent mean you define class phenomena in terms of the ideology i don't know why that's not intuitively self evident to you if you're a marxist if you're a marxist you understand class struggle

is the substrate around which ideology is an attempted reflection

ok now ideology has a place and i will explain that place but first and foremost like when you go and talk to a working class person this is what i want to ask these people i don't know who this person yaro whoever these people are hypothetically you go and talk to working class person actually going to define the substance of what they're saying in terms of

like discret ideas you're going to say oh your axioms are different from my axioms you like s then you're literally h're not a marxist johnal materialist you're voh you think that the essence of things is the idea the form the form your fimalist you believe it's the form of the idea

now what a materialist does when they talk to a working class person so let's say this person is going and saying these goddamned communist liberal elites

you know what a communist does

they just kind of

the it they just they let it go over their head and they just say okay whatever he's saying the communism thing

what he's really talking about though

right technically actually he's not correct in the academic sense

letm me put on my monocle and just did and fuck and scold him for not being academically correct what a stupid fucking mentality

that

you have to understand that the there is a difference between the essence

and the appearance of things and that's what's fucking important there is a difference between the essence and appearance of things ok so when these people express in their railing against communism here are the relevant questions you have to ask and i can't falking believe i have to walk people through this marxism one to one like i can't fuck it's literally

beyond my understand that i have to fucking explain this right here's what you do here's what you have to fucking do ask yourself the question what do they mean by communism what does communism mean for them what are they referring to in material reality by communism what is actually the

essence behind the form and behind the appearance now an idealist will come and say an idealist will come and say the essence of what they mean is the idea itself it's the idea itself

so

when an idealist looks at this anti communist sentiment among the truckers and they go ha the essential reason that they are expressing anti communist sentiment is because they are essentially anti communists

because they are committed to the idea of anti communism but a materialist says that the reason they harbor the idea of anti communism isn't because of ideas but because of what that refers to in material reality for them now why have they come to associate communism

with the liberal elite and the agenda of the ruling class and the corporations and the status quo and the mainstream media that's a separate question and i would be free to explain to you the reason for that but before you even try to wrap your mind around the reason for why theyre anti anti communist you have to first understand what they mean

mean by anti communism

you don't first find the reason and then go aw is it a valid reason or is an invalid reason that's not what's important what's important is what they mean what do they mean by anti communism you can take them at at face value which is pretty generous because you're operating under the assumption that these people are properly educated about what communism is and that they actually know what

is so i'll give you this example when the truckers holy fuck mom bello thank you so much brother appreciate you so much thank you so much when these people express anti communist sentiment here is the question you have to ask as a materialist ok here's what you have to ask as a materialist a

the in material reality actually really referring to communism as a historical phenomenon

so like for example

when they're expressing anti communist views

is the object of their speech really the material reality of communism

around the world

well

we can actually kind of try and measure that somehow or try to actually investigate that

we can look at for example

that

the

character of the supporters of communism in eastern europe and in russia

and we can actually look

at communist in china

and

when we do that once you look past the superficial ideology it's very strange how communists appear very similar to these anti communists in russia for them communism means pretty much the same thing that anti communism means for these truckers which is a very curious thing i mean in russia it's the communists

i've shut listen king leak you're either a pusson who's going to get in my v c or you get the fuck out of my chat because guess what i destroyed q i'm going to prove how i fuck and destroyed him if you think you want it's because you're a fucking idiot not because he actually won dull mass get in my fuck and v c if you want to be on band i don't have time for pussies and if you wants to fucking dunk i

me heyes to fuck and actually debate me like a man not hide behind his fucking keyboard but something tells me if that dude gets in my v c he's going to grovel at my feet because he's going to fuck and be intimidated by our chat ok

i'm drawing a line on this question hold the water back actually so you don't like me if you don't

if you you you think i'm far off on this

ok

and why don't you explain yourself too

i don't give a fuck if you think i'm far off on this explain why

on this specific point about ideology

so again are is the real material object of their speech really communism or this communism means something for them that's different from the real communism i mean that's what you have to understand because the liberal capitalist not communs and you are fucking

idiot you there's literally so many points i have to break down and you're literally on point five right now shut the fuck up because i'm on point two right now we're going to talk about the owner operator thing in a second but you have to shut your fucking mouth and wait you're assuming i haven't thought about this and i don't have a response to it i do have a response to it dumb fuck

magic bach

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then why do they vote for the people's party why are they ideologically di in that way why don't you listen why don't you listen to what i'm saying dumb mass it's so fucking stupid ask what the essence is what is the essential reason the materially essential reasonking look at the surface and just say that's it go deeper why if you're a

materialist you ask why fucking bums in my chat can't even fuck and do the minimum of criticism you don't even have critical thinking you think appearance and the essence is the same thing it's not ok so let's first ask the question what do they mean by communism

clearly what they mean by communism is very different

from

the actual reality of communism and why is that well first and foremost the most obvious explanation

or justification for what i'm saying

is the fact that communist states don't have vaccine mandates china was against forcing people to take the vaccines they insisted it was voluntary

the communist party of the russian federation has come out against vaccine mandates

so communist states are not forcing people to take the vaccine i mean that is the most

dimple reason for why

they're not actually referring to communism when they're expressing anti communist sentiment they're referring to a straw man of communism the reasons for why they're doing that is a separate topic and i would be happy to get into it but you have to first establish they're not actually talking about communism ok now the second thing that they may be referring to by communism is the

all encompassing total tarian whatever social control of the people right where there's no longer a social contract but the just the state absolutely dominates the individual with no back and forth and no dialectic between the people in the state and it's just the state all encompassing state forcing its will on the people and not just

the state but corporations and big tech all just instituting a form of total control of the people leaving them no form of sovereignty and no form of independent economic life whatsoever ok well we can actually investigate historically whether that is true for communist states

now it is true that this

aricature of communism

was what trotsky had planned for the soviet union

just all encompassing state property

but it was actually stalen

who insisted that the state does not own all property that not all property is public property and there's two forms of that for the collective farms were owned by the collected not the state it was owned by the collected so the state did not have all encompassing total control the other thing was the small garden

plots that pretty much everyone was allowed to have and there was other forms of independent control and ownership almost everyone in the soviet union had a dhaka in the countryside that was theirs and they had gardens there and they could sell the produce in a way right and the same is true for china so this association of the historical experience of communism with just all encompassing state

ownership of everything

doesn't reflect the reality intoay in today's china communism is economically associated with the people having some form of compound security independent security whether that takes this form of a small plot of land or the ownership of single unit apartments that they own right and also china you obviously can own a business on

top of that and you can own you can have your own businesses and whatever so this is a when you actually study the historical experience of communism you will find that the hold on

you will actually discover

that the historical experience of communism

thing

you will discover that the historical experience of communism

radically contrasts

with the idea of communism that these people have in their head

so if that's true in that these people are genuinely confused and have misunderstood what communism actually was in history and what it represented in its respective countries the question you'd then have to ask is whether if actually shown or adequately persuaded about what communism was they would be sympathetic

the communism if they knew for example what mau represented for the chinese people the peasants the chinese peasants against the liberal elites and the urban elites and the same for stalin with the russian peasant against the urban elites of the soviet union i mean they would probably be more sympathetic to stalin in mao if they actually had a good idea of what

happened there the problem with why they don't is that first of all the cold war and nato and ruling class created education system in canada and america has brainwashed its decades and decades of brainwash about communism

so and the other thing too is that china and russia are on the other side of the fucking world so they just don't have any idea of their history and their specific experience so we have to be just keep in mind what they mean by communism what they mean by communism is a straw man of communism a propaganda version of communism that was created by the ruling class

and it's almost as if once you are you gy following me do is this too like theoretically heavy because i feel like this is so fucking simple right i feel like it's always it's just so fucking simple right

ok now then what you have to do is ask the question it's proposed it's almost as if what canadian truckers are actually saying is correct what they're actually saying when you get to the essence of the matter is they're saying this all of the things you taught me about communism

you're doing now you taught me to that communism was this bad thing because it's social control and it's forcing people and it's taking away our rights and our liberties and our dignity and our human dignity and all that kind of stuff and it's tyranny you're doing that now so that's the essence of their anti communism they're literally telling the liberal elites

that this new form of capitalism is indistinguishable from all the shit they would say about communist states and actually many marxists have pointed that out in different words they've said well it's funny how all the things they warned us about in communism are happening under capitalism people don't own homes anymore people don't have any control over their lives anymore they have

nothing they're onder the total subordination and control of corporations and we were being brainwashed and like nine hundred eighty four wasn't what happened in the soviet union it's what's happening now right so at its essence beyond the surface there anti communism is correct when you actually look at what they're trying to refer to the right

they're just not using the right word instead of calling it communism but ok then then this the third thing you have to ask is ok i'm an educated communist and i can clearly see that they're using the wrong word they should not be calling it communism or denouncing communism so how do we approach that first and foremost we have to patiently

make it clear once before anything what practical utility a real communism would have for them i mean don't don't just go and say you're wrong actually you're wrong because that doesn't matter

actually give them a reason to be sympathetic to communism give them a reason to change their views on communism by giving a new meaning to communism

so tell them and show them that communism in canada means

the convoy

communism in canada means the working class banding together and fighting the ruling class communism means abandoning the illusions that some of the self proclaimed leaders of the convoy who are duping people are throwing on them communism means

always support the working class yes that they communism means yes we're against the vaccine mandates the russian communists are against it so why shouldn't we give should tell them that the russian communists are against the vaccine mandates so are we communism is better than the eclectic ideologies they're adopting now because communism will allow us to scientifically

we understand the first is behind all of these changes

and what it means for us and what the key and the weapon see this is the tragic truth the freedom convoy is doomed i'm not going to lie to you and tell you it's not it's doomed just like every other peasant uprising in history was doomed it is doomed right but where communists come in and step in is that they say listen we have the

kes overthrow this working class this ruling class that you hate this great reset agenda this tyranny of the liberal elites we have the keys to overthrow them and we should prove that to them we should prove that to them it's our duty to prove it to them that's the first thing you do and then on top of that you also patiently educate them educations important

patiently talk to them educate them on how they've got it wrong and how we've been lied to about communism in russia and china and we've been lied to about communist history and that in fact communist history will show that we're aligned with them and givenm the mean potatoes communism doesn't mean thank you chris morelock thank you chris morelock commun

m doesn't mean we're going to take your shit away and and control you and you're not going to be able to have your own trucks your own businesses or your own livelihood it we're going to aggregate you and force you to be in a whatever it doesn't mean we're going to make everyone equal and do all the shit patiently explain the what communism actually does mean and what communism actually does mean is land reform we're going to break monopolies and give you

land to start off on and that's what our common social goal is that the people right should have means of production

that's the goal of communism forgive debt that's another thing that's and that's what i'm going to get into which i didn't on twitter but that's what we're going to get into tonight is the debt question which no one's paying attention to when it comes to these canadian truckers ok

so you can see if you have a problem with false ideological consciousness among the working class use that as an excuse to denounce the working class the material substrate what you do is the worth of these ideas prove it to them that cat that they should think of communism differently that's your

duty that's your responsibility

so this person did not make an argument actually she did not make an argument all she did was point out potentially that the they have ideological views she disagrees with but she did not make an argument as to the question of whether they are working class or not right whether this is the rank and file and the base of a potential

communist movement and despite what she's trying to say about actual communist there are no actual communists in canada just like there are no actual communists in america we don't have a communist movement communism basically means nothing in both of these countries in both canada and america communism is either a straw man of the right or it's a form

of liberal edginess to the extreme which is also based on the straw man that right wingers have created so there's no real meaning to communism in america and canada we have to import the meaning we have to give sense to it in an authentic way

ok

but

so this second prong so the first prong that they're nazis confedered flak that's debunct the second prong

ideologically they're not communist or they're anti communist again that's just idealism that has nothing to do

with the materal a materialist view and some idiot was like ok has so are you saying

that these people are just going to spontaneously become communists

no i'm not saying that because that's where communists are supposed to come in that's where you're supposed to actually try and lead the movement and prove your worth in giving them these ideas it did's think it's so simple that's literally what class consciousness is supposed to be about it did think that all of this is in literature from a hundred and fifty years ago marx and engels talked about it the social democrats

talked about it lenin talked about it stalin and did it's very simple communists are the ones weho are supposed to give form to the content the content is not going to spontaneously become communist scientific socialism is not ever going to arise spontaneously you need an organ a spirit ahad that independently formulates the

it's not just going to come from the ground what's going to come spontaneously is chaos and yes other forms of socialism take a very eclectic and yes oftentimes problematic form i mean call otski called anti semitism the socialism of fools why because spontaneously anti semitism

would become popular among the working class of course other forms of reactionary socialism become popular conspiracy theories are very big although some of them are actually correct right but yes some believe in reptilian alien shapeshifters some believe in that communists control us which actually has some

rounding in reality to be honest some of them believe in the illuminati again these are all things that actually do have a grain of truth to be honest but

they have all sorts of beliefs some of them are free markets austrians right i mean some of them i don't know they like jordan peterson or that they watch stephen crowder i don't know i mean there's a there's just chaos it's what it is is chaos and communists are not supposed to denounce chaos but rep

represent the logos that arises out of the chaos as dogan would put it communists represent the logos that emerges from the chaos that is what scientific socialism is it's not just going to be born spontaneously it's going to be delivered by the wet nurse the ho the substrate

right the ground impenetrable depth of chaos the hora in platonic language the wet nurse will deliver the hora sorry deliver the logos with our assistance communism is very simple yes

e

it's all very simple what i'm saying you follow me because i don't know why this should ever be controversial i don't know why there's a dispute about it or a debate or a controversy i don't know why anyone would ever like contest what about this is hard to comprehend i mean how

how can you not wrap your head around this before we move to the debate about the class nature of the truck drivers is there anyone who can contest what i just said you cannot judge a phenomena based on ideology on the surface you have to go to the essence of things is there anyone who would ever argue against that before

move on because i feel like this is like a set and i think this is like set there's no way there's notohing you can say what could you say what could you say oh no ideology is what matters ok then you're an idealist you're not a marxist

the only thing you could possibly say is what q tried to say

which was that it was not a working class movement

and that what he was trying to argument

that what that's what he was trying to argue

and he's wrong but what he said requires more theoretical explanation to respond to

t

ok you so there's no debate there's absolutely nothing anyone could say

so far one no one can argue they're nazis no one can argue that that the swastika was representative or the confederate flag was representative to nobody could say that the superficial anti communist sentiment that's being expressed among the truckers indicates a radical incompatibility between communists and the truckers interm

terms of persuading them right so the final argument which itself is going to have many prongs to it

it's going to be the question well are these working class protesters at all in the first place

that is where the guy chu comes in

so first use you see my response ba what i just said someone who confused ideology with material reality and so on so youq had to step in because there's no defending her argument so we had to bring a new one which was this so this is where we find the confusion and here is where you're going to have to bear with me and here is also where i'm going

to be introducing things that are not universally accepted by marxs

just because it's a it's a new analysis right which you've probably never heard before so this is where you're going to have to bear with me like the other thing the materialism thing that's just the given right but here is where we're going to get into the territory of yeah my throats

itchy for some reason

let's begin

let's begin

is this music distracting thing is distracting

all right we're going to actually just get into this

intro music is over right

i

so

the f actually want to keep the music back on

going was going to like lower it and make it

not

legible right

right so

this is what he says

the working class is defined by sale of one's labor in exchange for money

so what would the rest of us look like aligning with the owners present at the protest

while truckers themselves are for the most part not participating

or even blocked from re entering canada by the convoy

all right

i don't give a fuck about q's dmaz show

he gets five viewers

his show does not matter i don't know why you're even bringing it up to me

all right

the guy doesn't want to defend himself so i don't see what he could ever fuck and have to say

i don't see what he would have to say right

so

we are met with a thing right

so there's many things we have to address here there's like a ton right

the first thing

concerns the

the property owning status

of

the the truck driver so there's a word called owner operator

in canada it's called o owner operator right

and owner operator there's a distinction so some truck drivers are just

employees and they're hired by a company

to drive trucks but they don't own any of the trucks right

the second thing

is an owner operator who yes are more disproportionately represented at these protests there's no i have no doubt about that

who basically own their own trucks

and get hired for freelance

by others to deliver goods

with their own trucks

and among a minority of those owner operators

there are people who have been successful enough

and wealthy enough

to buy more trucks and hire people in shit and that's how some trucking businesses

have arisen

and it's very similar to peasants right

some peasants

own land

and just own the land

some are serfs who don't own any land

some are proletarians who are hired to work on land

and some are successful enough to buy more land

hire more peasants and effectively become landlords right

so there's a few minutes we have to debunk

first of all

among the so called owner operators

some owner operators are in worse conditions than company truckers i'm going to yet i'm getting into that very few are successful most immigrants yes

i'm getting into it ok

m

there's a confusion around this which q in his dishonesty is not going to be telling you about

which is that

for many a huge proportion i don't have the exact statistics on me

well if someone has the cistics you

link them to me

for many of the so called owner operators

they actually do have employers

who force them

to file under the the

let me see what i was sent

so i can just give you the specific thing

so yeah

the truckers are b are a

yes

the the trucking companies

don't want to hire them as w two employees

so and give them benefits

so they set up l l cs

and

like ninety nine percent of the truckers

that

own the business

only own it because the company tells them to

or forces them to

so they filed their l l cs as independent business owners

so that the companies that they work for don't have to give them benefits

and don't have to give them adequate compensation

ok

but that's just the first point so the majority of these so called owner operators

are employees who are forced

to list as l l cs

because employers don't want to give them benefits

and also abide by labor regulations and should like that

so that's very important to keep in mind

ok

the second thing

which is where it's going to get a little more theoretically heavy

wee no another thing

people are saying well why don't you see a

similar proportion of company drivers joining in on the protests

it's actually very simple

company drivers have no leverage

they're more desperate

they have they have less independence

they can't afford

to do things like this

every rebellion in history was started not by the people who have

the most to lose

but by people who do have something to lose

and therefore have

the leverage to be able to revolt

that's just true for every rebellion in the history of humanity

and that's how they start and those people open the gates for the lesser privileged to join in

so yeah of course

the operator owners are going to have more leverage and they're going to be that at the front lines of this

because they can't be fired

yeah company drivers can get fired

some of them might not even be citizens right

so there's that

now there's people telling me o has

then why are all these people white why are they only exclusively white

ok

that's your claim

that's what the media has told you

that's what you're hearing

and

the question stands as to whether that reflects the facts

so looking at the facts

um

we find people like this

send those messges

so let's raise the volume

to just tuo please tell him that we're united it's just not a white supremacy group we're not a small french minority thank you

i don't see any nazi flags i mean you'd think if this was a nazi movement there at least be one i don't see any of those

ok

so they're trying to tell you it's a white supremacist movement

and that's clearly not the case there are people

from other backgrounds in the movement to

um

so yeah i mean

that's just not

correct right

so that argument's blown out of the fucking water

ok finally

about this thing about the working class and selling its labor this is

this is the third thing we're going to have to get into

which is going to be a little more difficult to comprehend and follow with me but you have to bear with me just follow me here ok

i have a lot of history to unpack actually

so

this is an example of someone who doesn't

comprehend dialectics he basically

thinks that

concepts like the working class are static and based on definitions

a that exist forever

and not once do you see in any of this cu guy's tweets any attempt

do again get to the essence of things why has the working class been defined as what is the deeper reason

for the working class being associated with the sale of one's labor

is the essence of the working class the definition of the sale of one's labour

or is there a deeper reason for the historical association between the two

um

and that's what i'm going to set about to explain now

okay

thank you chris morelock

and please bear with me here right

so historically i'm going to give you a picture of the emergence of capitalism in the nineteenth century

bear with me please

on the one hand you had the emergence

of a rather ineffective

liberal laise faire state

this is the example of england

so in this liberal state

here is where you have

interpolated and all across europe also by the way

the basis of capitalism

actually

so in capitalism

you have people who sell commodities

and people who sell

the basis of commodities itself which is labor

but this reduction of and this tendency for society to to

join into either two camps right owners and selling their labor right

this is actually something that

takes as its basis

the universalism

of the state

the universal liberal state

so in older forms of statehood

you had various castes and classes that were recognized by the states

but in a universal state everyone is an equal citizen

so when but when everyone's an equal citizen

you still have klass why

because some people

are going to be selling things i mean technically

if everyone's an equal citizen we're all capitalists

in a in a liberal state

technically we're all capitalists right

we're all people who have the right to have property and we can sell things and trade things and buy things

and were not anchored down

by the old feudal obligations and structures right we're just

dwelling in cities and we can just do whatever we want we could sell what we want we're free sovereign men

right

except

and this is where materialism comes in and becomes relevant

things

the things that we're selling and buying for example

those

have a basis and that basis is human labor

so a great many people are going to find themselves in the awkward situation

of selling their labor i mean

how will things be made

in a society

without

someone making them

you could have a situation where there's a city and everyone's kind of a capitalist

iniuss have slaves

make everything and we just trade the commodities that slaves make maybe that's like

ancient athenss

i don't know something like that right

or roam at some point probably not right

be rome had a working classtes of its own

but you get the point like

how does private property even manifest and how do we get the things that are being traded and exchanged

tohen a bousgeoile liberal state

you end up with an awkward scenario where if we're not going to be slaves and we are all going to be equal citizens right

and this equality is most acute in the cities

the formal equality i mean

we you're not going to be weighed down

by the differentiations and landed propriety property

um

there's going to be labor itself will become a commodity if i'm not a slave or a serf

or even a peasant

and i'm a free citizen who's equal with all other citizens

i'm going to end up selling my labor

as a commodity

but the paradox is that

labor is the source of all commodities itself so i'm selling the source of commodities in the first place

right

so it's a mobius strip it's out of this paradox that arises

class difference

the bousgeoisie owned things

the proletariat

only owns their labor

now how did that

come to pass why can't the proletarit own some things

no and i'll tell you why

because the process of creating this universal state in which we are all equal

corresponded to flattening and uprooting

the traditional forms of

ways of life in the countryside

so peasants were uprooted from their land

because they had previously been tied to their lancey peasants

were not universal equal citizens so to speak because

they were embedded in these traditional rural relations

that

you know did not entail a complete full equality at all they were and they were like

in the soil working

attached to land and so on and so on

so when this order was disrupted

and they were uprooted

whether that's through indebtedness and that's something i'm actually going to get into here

they found themselves at the with the short end of the stick they they had nothing they had absolutely fucking nothing so they migrated to the cities

to sell their labor which is the only thing they had they were their land was taken away

and all they had was their labor to sell

right

and this is the basis of liberal bousgeois equality

so it's a scam right oh we're all equal but before we can be equal

we're going to take away your human substance

and you're going to have nothing to sell but your labor and that's the liberal bourgeois quality

of capitalism

right

it's a scam some people already

you know

in sell shod and own property

and they're going to be buying our labor right

now

does it end there

no

in nineteenth century europe

this capitalism this specific sociological arrangement

was actually confined always to a minority of the population

when you moved over the countryside

it turns out not everyone was already proletarianized

and not all of the landlords had become capitalists

so

and these rule

on relations were actually impediments to the development of the forces of production

s

productive forces were developing in the cities and industry was rising and in the countryside

you had stagnation

and decay

and anchoring that was just this impediment

to the development of capital and the forces of production

right

so that is why there is such an acute difference between the working class and the peasants because the peasants

mean what is a peasant

wright a peasant when people say has how can you call the truckers peasants well technically i can't because yes it is true that peasants

are people who work

in agriculture they're agricultural peasants that's what a peasant means

and the reason peasants are agricultural is because

they are embedded in these old traditional relations

that have not been subsumed

by the by capital by the capitalist mode of production yet right

so in europe you did have this acute difference between

feudalism and the ancient regime

and

capitalism which was this rapid development of the forces of production

and modern whatever we call modernization

ok now bear that in mind

ok

it's like i have to explain history to these people because what this person says

it it doesn't make sense for understanding class today i mean

what everyone who owns something is not the working class so an electrician who owns his tool box is not the working class

luber drivers are not the working class i mean these are just things we know intuitively are wrong so we just have to make sense with

with to make sense of like

what the problem is right because there clearly is a problem it can't be that this guy's right and that

you know the working class only have their labor to sell

it just not true

i mean the working people own homes people own cars they own plenty of means of production today

so why is that how did that come to be and that's what i'm going to be here to set about to explain to you

okay

now it turns out

it just so happens to be

guys i'm so fucking hungry that it's like distracting

i'm wondering if i should eat first to continue on this or if i should keep going

i think i'm going to eat first i mean i'm going to continue this and then eat

briefly right

i'm just starving

um

what is the basis of this universalization

of

the state

because it kind of sounded like i said

that the state created the bourgeoisie and the and the pes and the proletariat

no it's actually not true

the bourgeoisie that

created the universal

liberal state

in the first place

arose from the peasants now historically there's all sorts of

m examples right

so their serfs who escaped and moved to cities and became capitalists

but the main way in which it happened like if we're looking at the english civil war and all that kind of stuff

is that there were peasants in the countryside small holding peasants

who had were successful and they had surpluses of agricultural production

and these surpluses of agricultural production

they would use to it invest

like as a form of capital

and before you knew it they no longer had to work on land they could hire people and and it's from this basis that you see the emergence of the capitalist class

right

what does lenin say about the origins of capitalism

to paraphrase lenen

capitalist

relations in the capitalist mode of production

can you explain to people why you can't be a marxist leninist and believe in social conservatism

jackson hankel said

he is a social conservative

that's a big problem for any marxist leninist

i i'm sorry

how much is five hundred bits it's like

like five dollars ight well i appreciate the money but

honestly to halt to my dream for that long i just

it's you know it's just

like let's say you you sent me fifty dollars i okay i'll let you say your paragraph but i don't really feel like i owe you

you know holt just stun locking me for like fuck in thirty minutes

and going on a fucking tangent addressing your specific question

when i'm in the fucking middle of something

so if you want me to address your shit you can go ahead and send me like

the hundred or something right because i'm already talking about some shit right now mother fucker

it's just so stupid like no one you're just trying to derail what i'm fucking saying right now you know

youre going to need more than five hundred bits to do that because this shp is important

ok

and i don't even know if jackson said that

ok

but anyway i

continuing off of what i was saying

lenin to paraphrase him he would say

capitalism is being reproduced

every minute

every hour every minute

every second at the lowest levels

of the peasantry

are you guys aware of that quote from lenin

and this was after the establishment of the soviet un he said

the capitalist mode of production is being reproduced every

y

every hour every

minute every second at the lowest level of the peasantry

why did lenin say that

because the basis of capitalism

and madernity

is always being reproduced

there's something i want to introduce you guys to and they're called k waves they're called contradaefs

i forget how to pronounce them cycles

capitalist crisis is not one thing that happens that just leads to socialism

capitalism and its development correspond

to constant revolutions in the forces of production

constant sociological revolutions of the emergence of new capitalist classes

and new proletarianizations

all corresponding to revolutions in the mode of production

these are k waves that you can see throughout history

capitalist crisis

resolves itself

because of these revolutions

in the forces of production

which offset the falling rate of profit this is why capitalism

it has

survived for as long as it has i mean marxists have never been able to explain that i just explained it to you

i don't want to have a detour but this is related interestingly enough

the paradox of capitalism's endurance is that

across all of these

a waves and revolutions in the forces of production that are the lifeline of capitalism

we witness an increasing level of socialization

and an increasing level

of the decline of profit as the actual anchoring point

of the economy

it's almost like

capitalism

through its development

it's slowly turning into socialism

and with the emergence of china to day

and china's

is a socialist country with a socialist mode of production

it's almost like

we are entering a socialist mode of production

or even already have

and that's what all the hubbub is about when it comes to the great reset

and the fourth industrial revolution

the fall in the profit rate don't get it confused

the pro

well

the profit rate

across history in the long term has actually declined

but the machine

of capitalism

is

propelled

because of the state

because of debt

and because of increasingly non capitalist

forms

of production

companies operating at a loss that are in debt

et cetera etcetera etcetera

that's something to keep in mind because this is a very important piece of the puzzle

we're going to be talking about

anyway

um

if capitalism is constantly being reproduced from its opposite which is supposedly feudalism and its

relics like the peasantry as lenin said

that means capitalism never conquered feudalism

um

marx in capital volume three

was

confronted with the enigma the paradox of landed property

and how its endurance is proving to be

um

a kind of obstacle for the development of the forces of production and for capital right the form of capitalist property

capital landed property are possess a contradictory relationship to work toward one another

ok

so

you have this distinction right

now

let's fast forward a little bit

during the capitalist crisis of nineteen twenty nine

you saw a breakdown

of

capitalism as a whole right i mean other things were going on

namely

as a predecessor s should talk about that i shouldn't fast forward too fast

something interesting was going on in the countryside the way in which the countryside was becoming subordinated to the capitalist mode of production

was principally through the mechanism of debt

s peasant proprietors

where becoming separated from their means of production

through debt through indebtedness

they were being forced to buy their land

from landowners and landlords

the land that they had historically worked on

and they were working their land to pay off debts now what happens with debt

it's always what happens with debt

um

you end up not being able to

pay off your debt

through your property so what do you do you sell your property

so peasants were just starting to sell their land en mass and migrate to the cities

because they were in debt

to creditors

who were parasitically sucking their

you know

sucking their life essence from them right sucking them dry

now keep that in mind

debt as a driving force for transforming

uh the

relations of production of feudalism in the ancient regime

meanwhile

capitalist

not specifically only capitalists but

banks right i mean financial capitals monopolist

but specifically financial capitalists were starting to buy up land because of this they were starting to

come into possession of vast vast swaths of land

and land actually became

a way of um

a form of security

or

um

issuing loans

that was the case in italy where the actual landlords were absentee landlords

but they would use their land as a form of leverage as a form of security

in order to like

give loans and they'd become the basis for banking right

in any case

these static fudile mode of production was starting to

he put to work

in service of the development of the forces of production

specifically though in the service of capital

you had a very paradoxical thing and lennin would talk about it in imperialism

max was talking about it in capital volume three

where

it's not just that the capitalist mode of production and the pursuit of profit became dominant

debt and banks specifically would acquire a new role

of almost replacing

the

you are landlords

and the feudle

aristocracy in a sense

of representing the conditions of the reproduction of capital itself

in order to make in order to be a capitalist for example

i have to take certain premises for granted

the first one is actually land ground rent

so as a capitalist

i don't i don't actually own all my means of production

i have to pay rent ground rent to landowners and private landholders

in order to

in order to in order for my means of production to work to have means of production right my factory is on top of land i do not own that's a capitalist

ok

um

guys can you fuck and pay attention because

i don't know what the fuck you're talking about in the chat but this is important shit can i get on one in the chat that you guys are keeping up with this shit

because this is you have to follow closely to keep up with this

you have to really follow closely with this to keep up

ok

so phenomena like georgiism

and marx's time would emerge

which actually wanted to have the state own all land

specifically to eliminate the parasitical role of the feud the feudal landlord and the capitalist and that

the issue of ground rent was the entire marx called it the final panacea of the bourgeoisie with which to resolve all social contradictions

they were blaming the landlord right which had a grain of truth to it right

m in any case

troo

imperialism and increased financialisation

land starts to turn into real estate

right

and specifically becomes a financial asset it no longer becomes like a static form of property just owned by a feudal lord

it becomes a liquid financial asset

that is now integrated into the capitalist mode of production

but

and this is a very important

thing

you have to keep in mind

this fundamental material basis of the

universality out of which arises capitalist relations

was constantly reproducing itself and it never was something you could just take for granted

whether under the feudal landlord

or the financial monopolist the banker the monopolist

a the financial capitalist the rentier parasite

eternityes

something that's static

like land for real estate right it's static

things that are not part of the

lineure

motion that are not a function of time for capitalism

but our function of space endures

so capitalism is marked by

temporal relations which have to do with capital

invest make money profit that's time right and labor respectively i sell my labor i get a wage wage is measured how through time

so theres a temporal aspect of capitalism but also the spatial aspect

which used to be

um

dominated by feudal relations just reproduces itself in a new way so many monxist have this misunderstanding

that in capitalism time just replaces space no

the eternal spatial relations

just take on a new form

so it is in this way that

the ancient regime and feudalism reproduces itself in a new way

a new type of peasantry arises a new type of landowner arises a new type of landlord new type of aristocracy new type of the static

fixed relations of production

that we associate with feudalism re emerges in a new way

and

this is perfectly dialectical

the future never becomes fully reconciled by the past as much as the future accelerates i mean this is what this is my argument against

the landian accelerationists this is what i told them a not told them but

this is how i responded to them

i said you are accelerationist

you don't understand that for as much as there is an acceleration

there's a deepening of the past there's a deepening of eternity and that's where dougan comes in dougan is the past

eternal past

nick land and the accelerationists are

the eternal future infrared my

understanding of marxism in the twenty first century

is reconciling both of them as part of the same thing

right for as in this is what dugan he calls it archaeo modernity the more

we accelerate into the future

the more the wealth and depth of the past reveals itself there's things about the past

we didn't know the past

has things in it we haven't conquered

right

to the more

capitalist modernity triumphs

the more the depth of feudalism and everything we associate with pre modernity

reveals itself in a new and deeper way

and

i don't really have a lot of time to talk about this but this is what corresponds

do m

the uneven combined and uneven development of capitalism

not even in europe

but elsewhere like for example

or in modes of production did the russians the russian empire

was backward right

the more capitalism triumph

in europe the more it was confronted with backward russia the more modernity triumphed

in russia and europe it was confronted with backward china now it's the backward islamic world

and it keeps going into the past basically it keeps going

the past is never fully conquered it just

capitalism increasingly exists alongside

increasingly antiquated forms of modes of production all existing simultaneously

right

would socialist china tolerate these struggers these truckers would have no reason to exist in socialist china

insinuwing

off of what i was saying

something specifically happened

after the crash of nineteen twenty nine

by this point

most people were proletarianized

but you also did have a sizable peasant class but you had of a widespread crising f

crisis facing entire countries and nations widespread unemployment widespread imiseration widespread pauperism

so what happened

a new social contract was formed

between the state

imperialist state i should add

and the people and the working class

the state

was not only going to adjust itself to the increased level of socialization

it was going to initiate this form of socialization

specifically by

adopting policies that were social in nature

this state was no longer the lase fair liberal state which had a hands off approach

but a state that was now concerned with how are people going to make their livelihood how are people going to have

their bread

right

so the state increasingly

led a attempt to revive the economies through kind of socialistic measures

taking on economic policies it's going to give people loans for houses and land and it's going to establish jobs programs and suddenly

the ability for people to

have a livelihood is something that's going to be

considered

a relevant to politics and to the state and and through the state corporations

and all of their regulations and so on and so on

now the specific form that took was specifically on

giving and now

this security of the state of giving ensuring people have the minimal of livelihood which is actually now a political concern

actually does take the form of discrete forms of property these precise policies

were what allowed people to own homes and own cars and own a lot of other things

but the firm of ownership is not capitalist in the traditional liberal sense

because these are forms of ownership given and guaranteed

not only by the state but the state

and

the corporations and the

the facilitation of capital through industrial modernity itself

now whereas

the liberal form of ownership is just this static i own it and i can do whatever i want with it

these forms of ownership were facilitated

cars

are the best examples because they're mobile

we don't just

own cars like we own land

we own cars because they facilitate production

so these are facilitative compound forms of labor

given to the working class

which represent its form of security

of an increasingly socialized

state

and the distinction is very crucial it's a compound form of property

not a static

form of property

which means

it compounds the labor of the working class

into a functional form of property this is not a form of property

that's just being

sold by a money grubbing capitalist in an impartial distance way

what it is

please bear with me guys is a mecca suit

the car the home

the tool box that the electrician owns

whatever

these are mecca

suits

of the working class

the working class owns a mecca

a an exoskeleton suit

with which it uses as a compound

to compound it's own labor

it uses the mecca suit

as the new substrate from which it sells its labor

only atop of this substrate that sells its labor

in today's economy you can't sell your labor without a meca suit so you need that meca suit right

and that meca suit facilitates

and reprodu produces the very conditions

of the universal sale of labor we only have the traditional capitalist arrangement of you a capitalist who owns commodities and me a laborer

who only has their labor to sell

on top of a substrate that reproduces the very

conditions of the universal state

and what these mecca suits do is precisely that and how do they do it one

by ensuring a minimum of social order the population is satisfied enough

to not

you know

be unemployed and desperate and starving and and completely amiserated and by the way capitalism

and markets won't even function if that's the if everyone's just poor as shit

there's going to be no development of the forces of production

and it's a function of politics your country's going to be weaker to other countries and geopolitically it's going to be a problem so there's that

there's also the fact

that

it's it's necessary to reproduce the very conditions of labor

because the technological

forces of production

have accelerated to such an extent

that labor requires more not only more skill but more property like how can you really be a laborer in today's economy without a smartphone of course you can't right

so these are necessary to facilitate

production in the first place now only when you take all of these things for granted

can i just sell my labor

that is where labor the extraction of labor value i should say

is going to begin

only atop that substrate

right

so

it's almost as if and i want to paint a picture for you in your head

land agricultural land specifically

was converted into this

aiway of years

facilitating the movement of capital

and the capitalist mode of production and the development of the forces of production

and

instead of owning static pieces of land you begin to own

parts of the gears in this machine

but the difference is that these are gears in a machine that are facilitative and which are moving

and that facilitativeness also reflects in the fact that these are not unconditional forms of property

with which you just do whatever you want they're subject to government regulations the government regulates how

and in what way you can use them

right

so all of this comes together

now the reason why you were able to have these federal regulations of property though was because there was a deal

people were given property in the first place with which to make a living

through a host of combined policies of course

and then

the government's going to regulate how and where they can be used

because

it helps us overall it's good that we have traffic laws i mean it's good that

you know we can't just drive our cars in whatever fucking way we want to that helps us drive on the road right

have have you guys followed me so far like are you keeping up with me so far

so the working class as a whole is defined by having a compound

form

of property

but it is not property in the liberal capitalist sense

because a it's a facilitative form of property that facilitates

the mode of production and the forces of production

b it's not a form of property with which

they can distance themselves from and abstract themselves from

because it's their meca sut which compounds their labor

so what is the definition of a compound form of property ladies and gentlemen

it is a form of property that compounds one's labor

that's what compound form of property means

i just made up that phrase by the way

it's a mecca suit

right and you need the mecasut to be a laborer

oky

so

now we're getting to these operator owners

right

it's almost as if after the new deal

and after these reforms and these changes in the forces of production that happened

the proletariat fused with the peasantry now on the one hand it was still the proletariat that was selling its labor

but on the other hand like the peasantry it possessed some form of security

ah in the form of a kind of property

that guaranteed it a minimum of subsistence

right

and not only that

but it represented the material reproduction of the policy

now when i discovered this actually i was confronted with the paradox of the working class so i studied this and i kept going into the past

and i realized

this is actually true even for liberal capitalism

there was never a pure proletariat in history before

the compound form of labor was the plot of land

so the only thing that changed was a revolution in the forces of production that de essentiliized

agriculture

and then i discovered that it wasn't just during the nineteenh thirties that the state

embarked on this kind of proverbial land reform where it gave the population some kind of security i came to learn that every single revolution in the history of humanity

seem to have been about land

or some equivalent to it

and that every state

to secure a basis in the population

and to secure the loyalty of the population

principally did this in the form of allotting and redistributing land and that actually this was the basis for feudalism

because in feudalism how did lords and nobles and knights emerge

because kings were giving people land

i mean this was true this is true for every moment in human history it's one of the

only things that are universal across all history

the entirety of civilization i don't care where you go go to the incas go to the aztecs go to the egyptians i mean go to go to greece go to ancient rome it was all about this dialectic of the state

and its material foundation in the people specifically in the form of this security this minimum of a security

or some kind of means of subsistence

so this is where dodogan enters here it's like it's something eternal this is where like

something that is fundamentally

eternal enters

and

the

class struggle described by marx between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie

is just a footnote in this more

ancient and eternal phenomena of

um

the significance of land for the polity

right

capitalist modernity

only differs

from ancient times

because here we are dealing with a mode of production of the constant revolutionizing

of the forces of production

the difference between capitalism and these ancient societies that

capitalism is a mode of production constantly in motion

right

it's constantly about developing forces of production new technologies building new things

a increase these are all the things marx describe all that is solid melts into air but this more fundamental

structure of human societies and polities

survive that

so the peasants got replaced so in the same way listen let me tell you

the difference between capitalism and feudalism is the same thing as the difference

between a plot of land

and a truck

a plot of land is static

and does not entail any facilitative development of the forces or production a truck meanwhile it's like

perfect poetry

a truck has focking wheels

it has falking wheels not only does it have wheels

it entails a certain level of socialization

because it can only drive on highways highways that are created in common

oftentimes

by the state and by the government right

so it's like this beautiful poetic analogy

but the mistake marxist made was that they assumed

that this more fundamental material antecedence

out of which capitalism emerges

is eliminated with feudalism and that's not true even after you get rid of feudalism

are more fundamental human antecedents and

human eternity right

somehow survives that

and actually it was lenin

who had first discovered this

lenin had first discovered this in the form

of

recognizing

the significance of the democratic pettit bouszeoisie or the peasants

lenin thlled the demensheviks

were were linear temporalists so the they had the stupid view

that oh feudalism is disappearing

so we should align with the progressive liberal bourgeoisie in the cities who are newer

and that's the ally of the proletariat

lenin said no

lenin had a more dialectical view of history for lenin

capitalism is not

there's not it's not a lip

history doesn't move as a linear

thing it's a zigzag

it goes here and it goes back and it goes forward and it goes back

in zigzags right

so what lenin was thinking was that he said no

this bourgeoisie in the cities looks like it's brand new

but for that precise reason the owl of minerva has taken flight

it's too late

look to the basis the essential basis of that class

look to where they had emerged from afresh the living basis

of this class

and that is in the country side it is the country side that gave birth to this city bousgeoisie

when he told the mentsions he said that city bgis you're looking at

they already got rich right theyre they're done they already are dependent on the tzar and they

they're dependent on the landowners and they made it already

if you want to go to the essence of what makes this class progressive and revolutionary

go to their actual material essential basis which was from the countryside

look at the aspiring bourgeoisie in the countryside

look to the horror

out of which was borne

the appearance

that was lenin's materialist brilliance right

and even after the victory of the the the revolution lenin said

the basis of capitalism is always being reproduced every minute every second every day every hour

at the lowest levels

of the peasant

lenin recognized

that modernity's attempt to conquer its premises

it was a foolhardy task

dialectics means we be reconciled with our premises

not just the phallic masculine logos

but also the sophia

we came from a mother we came from the sophia

the ruling class fantasy has always been

to replace the sofia with logos

and

this is a foolhardy task you can't replace your mother

doesn't matter how much you hate her she's there that's where you came from

that's where everyone comes from is a mother you can't replace that

there's no way to conquer that or replace that

you have to make peace with it

that this is of

fundamental part of our humanity

so if a masognist can do that

with his hatred of women women

we must do that

with our hatred of the past

out of which our world

ad emerged

our capitalist so called capitalist modern world had emerged

now with everything i just told you

with everything i had just told you

that there is two aspects that the this thing lenin was discovering it wasn't just because of feudalism even after feudalism's gone this dialectic remains and it remains today precisely in the form

of the small holding

subject of the canadian and american state

who was given a security

a compound form of property

as the basis of selling labor

right

what is the great reset

what is the fourth industrial revolution

and this is what i'm gon to set about to explain now

this is where the trucker this is where this whole convoy comes from

this whole controversy comes from this

there is a revolution in the forces of production upon us

there is

it's a revolution of the forces of production in which people are going to lose

their means of livelihood

they're going to be separated from their means of production

and they're going to be proletarianized as all revolutions in the forces of production have had it

but our sick slimy ruling class

has learned its lesson from the new deal

and they said after that new deal

we gave the people way too much power they had too much of leverage they had too much of a voice

how do we maximize our power

amidst this fourth industrial revolution

and absolutely crush and make sure

the people will be at our mercy how do we avoid for example

they're materialist they say

during the nineteen twenty nine

revolution in the forces of production

people became unemployed there was social instability how do we curb social instability

how do we make sure people have enough to survive

and take care of that

while being able

to survive this revolution in the forces of production

to secure our profits because last time

we had to give the people something we had to give them a piece of the pie

we don't want to have to do that again because we can't afford to because if we do that

it's game over for us the ruling class we're going to be replaced

by better capitalists

i mean that's kind of what elon musk represents to most people isn't it he represents a new type of capitalist

that's going to replace the old one so they're scared of this they're scared of this

so they devised and this is their plan that they got at davo's and it's what their

thinking about

is this great reset where

in contrast to the crash of nineteen twenty nine it's not going to be chaos people are not going to be like

unemployed and there's going to be social unrest

because a

they're going to fuel funding

for police they're going to militarize the police

ho're going to increase surveillance

they're going to have they're going to use this data economy

to monitor us in every possible fucking way

so all that social unrest that they had to fear in the nineteenh thirties that's taken care of

just by pure

force right

the mit of force

i haven't even explained the data economy and its significance

and it's not just a tool of control it's more

it's uh

economic analysis right

yeah they're going to use january sixth as their predecessor to even clamp down more on our civil liberties then

they are going to give us something

we're just not going to own any of it the people are not going to have any say in it

we're going to have a pod we're going to eat bugs

we're going to have we're going to own nothing at all

and we're going to work for these corporations and these corporations are going to have total control over us if we don't do what they say

we get fired

and maybe if we get fired we'll get a universal basic income

and we'll just sit in our pods

and survive

we'll become like the people in the fucking matrix

that is what they have planned for us

that is what the ruling class which did survive

our ruling class did survive nineteen twenty nine they survived the last capitalist crisis they survived seventy three they survived that capitalist crisis so they've they're like a cockroach they've survived too long and this is their final plan

who make it out of the fourth industrial revolution pacify the population completely subordinate them

tear away any of their means of resistance

and insure their survivability

while making sure they have no security and no leverage

themselves so they have to fully trust us

they don't have to earn our trust by us giving them something so they have the minimum of independence we're going to fully subordinate them

to us they're going to be fully dependent on us

this is their plan

this is their plan this has been their plan

they have

wage the war against small businesses

precisely because of this because they don't control the small businesses

you think it's about the petite bousoisie or something like that the petitois in the class has been outmoded

what is a petite bougoisie there is a big monopoly bourgeoisie

and there are those who have a compound form of labor there's no independent petite bourgeoisie in a stin of age

now some of these small business owners become rich

but the ones that do become rich

they always hiit a ceiling

and that ceiling is the establishment i mean why do you think you on musk is against the status quo

because even he hit a ceiling he knows that he's never going to have the influence

and the power that all these insiders are

who are

in bed with the government elon musk isn't part of their club he's the outsider

donald trump

got kicked out of their club and that's why he did what he did

right

yeah the the today's pize petite buszoi are professional managerials right

so you got to understand this that's what they have planned

ok

now

they're going to keep this machine they're going to keep

their profits

tchurning

at our expense

wey're going to maintain that power

at our expense and it's not just their power

it's the power of our establishment

the trenched politicians

aur fucking mainstream media

are corporations

they all

don't want to let go

our fourth industrial revolution would completely outmod them shouldn't the internet have fuck and blown c n n out of the water it didn't

they survive like cockroaches and they want to continue to survive

and that's why they're doing this great reset shit because in order to survive

they have to put the people down

in order to survive they have to put us in pods just like in the matrix

we have to be their battery

because the way it works now

is that there is a revolution in the forces of production at hand the old way can't keep going

it cannot continue as before

that's true

that's where we draw a line and disagree with the reactionaries we have to tell the reactionaries

and the working class listen

the oord way cannot continue

that much is correct

but where communists are going to must step in is this what we will tell them

as all previous revolutions in the forces ofre production

you need some land

we are going to fight

for you to take some led

because yes your old way of life can't adjust

that this new economy

but you're still a human being

you're still a man you still have dignity

so as communist the whole point of communism

that's why it's associated with equality and all that shit the whole point of communism is because

we want people to be able to survive

this great reset this fourth industrial revolution

and have something

have something that will maintain some independence allow you to be a dignified human being not be dependent on these corporations in this government

and actually make it yourself let the people breathe

that's what china did that's what russia did

they gave the people something so the people could be themselves so they could flourish and they could thrive

we're not committed to helping this es stablishment and this fucking parasutical ruling class you should fluris you should have wealth you should thrive

may the best man win right the most talented the most skilled the best artist the best

even the best entrepreneurs whatever let's let's let's actually have a people's great reset

where the monopolies in the ruling class don't have the power they do any more and everyone starts on a fresh basis equal opportunity that's what communism means

the reason it needs to be communism is because

communists critique the existing forms of private property

which means

communists are able

to circumvent

this special privileges the ruling class has in the name of the sacred right of private property

and

use it

to the advantage of the people give the people something

allow the people to own something

and it's not just one thing it's a relationship right

the government needs to have a relationship with the people but it has to build trust in order to build trust you have to give the people something so they're not fully dependent on you

so they're not fully a slave to you and fully at your mercy

right and from there

yes there's probably going to have to be new regulations and

new ways we maneuver that and get around that but

we'll focus on that in the future for now

the people we need to earn the i mean we communists need to earn their trust

a government a new government a people's government

has earned their trust

i mean that's how china works that's the that's the bread and butter of the chinese system it's not full government unconditional control

it's a social contract between the people and the government

the government make sure

people have a minimum of independent livelihood like land or a plot a single unit apartment that they own

so that the people can have a fresh sace with which to flourish

and the monopolies don't get to implement satanic evil agendas

like the great reset where they put us in fucking pods

and fully suck our life boards dry and enslave us

ok

so it's important to rethink what communism is

communism

is about changing the economy only because things like this happen

capitalism does give rise to monopolies and changes in the forces of production and you do need communism

to be able

to navigate those waters because

if we're just free market lase faire capitalists

one

we're not going to addreuss to the special needs of the new economy in any kind of way too we're not going to be able to challenge the power of the monopolist

and people who are implementing the great reset

because they're just going to say this is our free market in order to have a real free market we need a communist intervention in this economy to break their power

that's the case for communism i make to people like the truckers and to the working class and so far

they have an ear

even the people not fully convinced

change their view about what communism is

and to me that's more of an accomplishment than anything else right at least

i mean you're not going to convince people immediately

but at least you're going to give them something to think about right

and that's the bare minimum of what we need right now

ok

that's the bare minimum of what we need right now

ok

now let me tell you

finally what the vaccine mandates represent

to these truckers and why they're resisting

the vaccine mandates

it's not because

they're brainwashed or their irresponsible or

they're evil or they're stupid or whatever the fuck these people are trying to say

these leftists

it's for a very simple reason

the vaccine mandates represent a new type of socialization and regulation of the economy by the government

in tandem with the fourth industrial revolution i'll explain the connection soon don't worry about that

without the securities

so imagine after that you know after the new deal how powerful the federal government got it got very powerful why did the people tolerate that

becuse the people also had something that they could rely on and be independent in regards to so the people tolerated all these new regulations yeah the government

you can regulate our roads you can regulate

all this shit because

we get it right we're all interdependent we need a way to like

work together we need this to work we we you know we all

need the same highway to get to work and back and go where we're going

so yeah we need all these regulations to live

right

the fourth industrial revolution is also demanding a lot of new regulations right

but

the people

are being regulated like these vaccine mandates

without being given any interest

without being given any piece of the pie of the new fourth industrial revolution

so it's like they it's almost as if imagine if all those new deal regulations happened without people being able to have cars in the first place and people being able to have homes in the first place they're just imposing all this tyranny on us

and we have no say in it and no part in it

what's in it for them nothing

now people are saying well it's because of the pandemic give me a fucking break

there's been pandemics in human history before

it's not just because a covit it's clearly a standin mean his fourth indus revlutm was going to fucking happen

with or without covit it's st covid

coincidentally seem to have accelerated it at the right place in the right time

ok

now why do the vaccine mandates

represent

the new data economy and the fourth industrial revolution i'll tell you why

because

i'll explain it like this

the internet social media

the so called metaverse right

um

has fundamentally encompassed the whole of our lives

total whole of our lives

yet the framework with which

um

this has happened

has still been on the basis of the voluntary liberties and rights bestowed to us by the democratic state so for example

i can opt out of this shit you know

u it's fundamentally transformed our lives i still have the liberty to throw this phae in a lake

and go live in the woods or something and

opt out right i don't have to

be a part of it

i still have my rights and my liberties right this is just a thing a layer on top of that

it's all it is just a layer on top

yet cuba has no vaccine mandates

but a very high vaccination rate because of a specific relation between the state and its people exactly

right

im

i don't have to be a part of this right

so i want you to think of it like in depth stranding that game the chirroal you know there's this there's a

there's there's the

in that's traning basically

there's this invisible realm

it's called the chiral

it's called chirliiti so everything in depth stranding like

you turn on a certain

you have a certain equipment that allows you to see it but like

there's these like ghosts this is like these

black

dust particles or some shit that represent like this invisible force

here right but between all of us well that invisible force is the metaverse it's the internet it's the social media right

so it's here right

but the government

has not caught up to the revolution in the forces of production the base has changed the superstructure has not yet adjusted to it

and one of the ways

the superstructure is adjusting to it

is by instituting all encompassing forms of regulation and control

that are inescapable just like social media is inescapable it's just not formally so right

so vaccine mandates basically represent this

or people

vaccine mandates represent the government being able to exercise total

regulation and control

the question is on what basis so for example what the truckers are saying is i'm in my fucking truck

oftentimes i own this truck

and i'm going to talk about that ownership thing in a second

and the government's coming and telling me i have to take a fucking vaccine why i earned this truck

i had to work for it

i work my fuckin job

what right do you have to tell me i need to take a fuckin vaccine

who are you you're not in my business you're not in my industry

well it's clear

the vaccine mandate represents a forced form of socialization

it's forcing these truckers to be apart

of a sociality they don't want to be

well it's not just that they don't want to be but

it's forcing them to be a part of a sociality without giving them the basis

for which

that sociality

benefits them economically

so it's like there being the it's a first form of socialization

thyugh say are you have to take the vaccine mandates

for the benefit of us all who the fuck is us all right

i'm a trucker driving my fuckin truck makin a living

i'm not

you know what i mean

i'm not part of you i make my bread this way

i don't make

bread with you

we don't make bread in a social way i have to sit in my fucking truck

and make it myself you going to force this fucking mandate on me right

so the government's sticking its nose somewhere

without paying for it

you understand

it's sticking its nose somewhere without paying for it

the way the government could pay for that potentially is

give the truck or something right or a

prepare them for this new fourth indust revolution and have a new relationship between the government and the people they might be more inclined to take that vaccine

they might be more inclined to feel like their part

of this bigger social community where we have to have public health and care about

our common health and whatever right

so that's how you would do it that's how communist states have done it right because they have the trust of the people

right

well many people don't want their products handled by non axed truckers then don't pay for non vaxed truckers

it's just fucking stupid like you're a trucker

you never signed up for this medover shiit where we're all part of this virtual world

where you can impose these these mandates and shit

so you have to understand

the mandates are a stand in for socialization and that socialization specifically corresponds

the fourth industrial revolution

so it's almost a form of false consciousness they're rejecting the mandates

because the mandates represent

the fourth industrial revolution

it represents the government

increasingly adjusting itself to this fourth industrial revolution

without having any mandates from the people

the government is devoid of a mandate from the people you need a mandate from the people in order to

fundamentally transform and embark upon this new socialization and control

they don't have a mandate from the people

and yet they're trying to force a vaccine mandate upon the people

ok

so this is very important to keep in mind

you understand now what this is about

it's much more than just vaccine mandates and

and by the way

vaccine mandates lockdowns

five g are all part of the same fucking thing thank you noble wuma appreciate you thank you for the five ty sobs a lot of leftist losing right why are people against five g why are people against vaccines

because you don't have a class analysis these are all part of literally the same thing

it is about a forced form of socialization

where you have to opt in to this new metaverse in this new

increasing level of socialization and you know i have to preface the words i'm using because they may not be entirely clear to everyone

increased levels of socialization correspond to government's ability to institute regulations and policies

that effect

people

more directly more proximately and more in terms of scale in a more widespread fashion

the government has like more power to regulate aspects of our lives

when our lives become so closely intertwined to an extent

that were socialized

right

so this specific form of intertwinement of our lives dur i mean you could say oh there's always been viruses and

this would apply to any other moment in history and it just wouldn't

right

because again this change was happening before coronavirus coronavirus has merely accelerated it

um

and

it's a form of opting us in

to this data economy to this new metaverse whatever the fuck you want to call it right

do i think five g sports i don't know anything about five g all i would say is that

the reasons people oppose it are not actually because of the health concerns that's what they say but look at the class

look have a materialist analysis of things right

okay

now

it's like that's very important right

now im

what you have to understand

when it comes to that

vaccine mandate is there's a lot of ways that it's related to the fourth indusseal revolution

and the data economy the first way is that it's a form of

da u

a vaccine mandate

forces you to have proof

of vaccination

and soon that becomes a registry of like

wh you enter this business prove that you're vaccinated

now the pandemic may end and the proof of vaccination may disappear but the more fundamental way of

this kind of

state inscription of

are you excluded or are you included is going to remain this more fundamental way of regulating people's status

in order for them to participate in the economy is going to be applied to other things too not just

their status as it pertains to the virus

and vaccination

that's part

of the metaverse and

the data economy

in the fourth industrial revolution

right it's all part of that

smart cities

going to increasingly regulate people's behavior

people's some

statuses through surveillance

in order to better optimize

businesses to address people's wants

to address people's needs

and to know what kind of people they're dealing with in the first place oh you're a criminal you can't enter this bar oh

your face reflects a

a heightened mood of anger and aggressiveness you're not going to be like these small things

optimize and make businesses and make the process of extracting money from consumers more efficient

right

i have detected a change in your mood i mean that's what the data economy is about the data economy is using a i

a in order to

optimize

the forces of production around what consumers

demand

right

oh your mood is sad

would can i may i alexa i will recommend you ah

a fucking flashlight i don't fuck and n right

it that's that's what it's about right

so the vaccine mandates

are a way to like make that real not just from your smartphone but just when it comes to business it's forms of

notification and inscription of the population in general

right

we've never had that before like when have we ever had this thing where it's like

oh yeah in order to enter the wal maart you're going to have to have

a proof

d that proves you're included in excluded let me tell you some other scary implications that vaccine mandates are setting us up for

so we used to just be citizens where we could just breathe as citizens i'm a citizen you're a citizen

i can walk with my nuts hanging and go to walmart

the rights the democratic rights entailed to us by citizenship are going to be stripped away

soon

we're going to have

other forms of regulations like for example can you enter this wal mart

what is your workplace status how many funds do you have

what is your standing with the court i mean that's why people raise the fuss about china's social credit system

because that's what they see it as it's like you have a social credit system and it's going to determine

what your freedom of movement and your freedom of

purchase

but what people don't understand is that china's social credit system is a grassroots thing and it specifically applies

the businesses and not individuals it doesn't

you know

and it's specifically about promoting good behavior right like don't litter and don't be a slob and shit it's not

meant to enforce political loyalty or political correctness

but it is goinga become like that in the west and in america and in canada

right

m

so we're going to actually have you know the thing that they're saying the social credit system in china

it's not actually how it works in china but we are going to get that here in the way that they're just like

the the bogeeman of the social credit system

we're getting that here

right

they don't have that in china but we're getting the thing

we accuse china of having we're getting that here

it's going to go way beyond credit scores mean think about what this new culture

of vaccine mandates opens up it's a slippery slope oh we accept vaccine mandates now why don't we accept other forms of identification and um

proof of ah

submission

to the state and to corporations in the silicon valley give me other forms of proof of loyalty did you raise your fist for black lives matters today then you cannot enter this establishment

did you wear the l g b t plus pin today did you pay your homage

what did you say on twitter the other day all these fulking it's like opens the floodgates for all of those other things to become relevant to

right

that's what we're dealing with right now you know

that's why it's so much more than just vaccine mandates

it's about this new data economy and the new fourth industrial revolution

right

um

and also this the simple one is like it's data data is what are you vaccinated or not so it's a form of instituting social control

indexed by data

right

like did you get your vaccine prove it to me

i can collect the data that you got your vaccine

i can't collect the data that you didn't get vaccinated because

i don't

well i do because i you know i know who you are

you're going to get fired if you don't rite

so this is a very i

now i was talking about the lsenco shit a few days ago and stuff

because i was specifically addressing the justifications for vaccine mandates which is trust in the science in the establishment and i prove to you the science is shit it's a

idle it's a it's a bafflement

it's a frocking molarch

it's a it's an idol right it's not the reason

but i didn't do that just to

shit on science i did it to so we can get to the actual cause of the controversy it's not about science

not about this not about that

it's about a material revolution in the forces of production and

marxists are best equipped to understand this type of thing and it's what marxist should be doing

but instead we have dumb asses like q who are spending their time

getting whipped up in the partisan frenzy of taking sides and being like oh'm against the truckers because they're bad and

evil and you're just a fucking liberal dude you're not a fucking marxist the marxist takes a cold

distance

analysis and then they decide how am i going to relate to it i take my cold analysis and then i say i'm with the fucking truckers according to the immortal science of marxism leninism i am with

those truckers

now some may say something like has aren't the truckers reactionary for trying to resist

a revolution in the forces of production no

they're not

they're not reactionaries

because that resistance isn't about impeding a revolution in the forces of production it's not even necessarily about vaccines

it represents the beating heart of the people

of humanity and of the historical

successors of the proletariat the working class

fighting for their humanity

fighting for their existence

as human beings

fighting for their rights

amidst an attempt by the ruling class and by the elites

to secure their existence

at the people's expense

this resistance is beautiful

it's poetic

resistance

they had their great reset agenda

and all this shit

and from the soil of the people

those people in their trucks

came out and resisted it

because they own the trucks

they have the trucks the

and this is this is why it's so poetic beautiful and communist

they have the real solid thing

you elites you have your metaverse

you have your digital bullshit and your digital control but you forgot about the meat and potatoes means of production i didn't you

you've forgotten the meat and potatoes the concrete the steel and the metal

that makes all that shit possible now didn't you you forgot about those big trucks that facilitate all the goods in general and in the same goddamned fucking way you forgot about our goddamned humanity that we're living breathing flesh and blood that's what you forgot about

this ruling class

it's the meat and potatoes they forgot about and it's the meat and potatoes that the truckers have

now finally there's one last thing i want to address

before getting deeper into the critique of q and his fucking bullshit he doesn't know shit about marxism doesn't know shit about anything i'm go de bunk it

many of these truckers if not most he claimed that their thriving and their their privilege doing so well

even if they own their trucks

how many of them are in debt

how many of them work is indentured servants paying off the debt cause they

don't even really buy the truck they

it was loan to them and they're paying off the debt for it

you forgot how this is also about deat

they're facing

extinction as a class

because they can't pay off the debt

the traditional way in which peasants were separated from their means of production

that's the creme de la crop

dea is what they miss now guys i'm fucking starving

our stream is nowhere close to being ended

i'm just gonna eat

ok i'm going to grab my food and eat

they didn't give me a fork

yup

not get a four

the wk teep

fox did not give me a fork

so i have to eat this in a traditional outty way

my fork and hands

let's continue

this is an article i'm going to take some time to debunk

with you are

we're going to refute the common claims

the trucker convoy is not a worker's revolt we'll see

we'll go ahead and see about that

the valfs donated three dollars

blink if you love ostrella

oh my god

he earned his ph d in sociology from york university of fucking useless ph d dumb as ph d useless fuck in

time wasting dumb ass i sit on your ph i wipe my fucking ass with your

yes s

wow it looks like i gota don't know hey don't know guy don't know guy look at me

what's up guys i was just blinking there's some cinema

this cinema

the cinema

some shit in my eyes s

by the way

i have given you like a dozen possible explanations

for why they're resisting the mandates based on materialism

this guy's just goin

i don't know it's so it's just one of those absurdities of life

such is the brilliant

and sweeping analysis

of the controversy at hand

such a is the impartial cold materialist analysis of adam king

that he's going to tell us

that he doesn't get it it's just it's just a needle that's what this all what a fucking philistine what a fucking idiot

it's just a needle it's just a needle no clearly it's a lot more than just a needle clearly it represents a lot more to these workers right clearly there's way more at stake for them

thann just the needle

this is as fucking stupid as saying

like that politics is just

about policies or it's like

i don't know

u this is just this is as spocking stupid as saying

the black lives madter protests

we're just about george floyd

yeah people make

a big deal of shit that seems small

because

those small things symbolize

much bigger things than

just them by themselves we just marxism one to one you fucking dumb ass

this guy would read shakespeare and this is an anti semitic part of shakespeare's so trigger warning i guess

when he'd read shakespeare he'd be like

oh my god why was shylock making such a big deal out of that pound of flesh it's just a pound of flesh shylock why are you making such a like this is the level of philistinism

and literary analysis

for reference in shakespeare

shylock was a jewish merchant

who am

he gave out a loan

to some one and he said listen mother fucker

if you don't pay back this loan you don't have any security to give me

so if you don't pay it back

i want a fucking pound of your flesh right and the guys a go ok

so the guy

something happened there was a storm that

fucked up the investment

and shylock literally demanded gim me that fucking pound of flesh mother foker

and he wanted it so bad but it's not because he wanted the pound of flesh he wanted to make a point

he was sick of

the hypocrisy of society

in you know the way it fuckin

it didn't make account for its debts

like not just financial debts but like in general right

but it's like this is the love this is like such a philistine idiot dumas

something is innocuous is the

i suppose these are the unfortunate times in which we live

so this guy's positioning himself as like wiser than the world

he's in the know he's so much smarter this is just the ridiculous times we live in guys

what a sweeping

mature analysis of the situation

s's just a fucking n p c that's all he is is an n p c

doesn't have any independent thoughts

hes religious

assuming that his establishment mentalities professional managerial ideology is shared by the whole world why do i have two hundred and sixty fucking notifications

i don't want two hundred and seventy five fucking notifications excuse me

excuse me i just dot

ok continuing

the vaccine manate required those in international trucking who crossed the united states border back into canada to be vaccinated as of january fifteenth

similar vaccines wed rolled out for other federally releglated employees as worgan aram

the biden administration has imposed a similar mandate

c tv news reported

that those leading the freedom convoy claim

twenty six thousand truckers may not comply with the mandate

this seems like a considerable overestimation

the canadian trucking alliance says that eighty five percent of the one hundred twenty thousand truckers

've already been vaccinated

is there any interest why the canadian trucking alliance

would have a reason for

making that up

mm

let's look up the canadian trucking alliance let's just see if we're just going to accept their statistics

what is the canadian trucking and alliance what is this relationship

to monopoly trucking

companies and the establishment i wonder

let's do a little bit of research and follow the fuck in mouey

right

so it's a federation of provincial trucking associations

okay that's weird what are these provincial trucking associations

cri cross town or cross country the choice is yours

the face of trucking and career opportunities of rise are changing

oh how are they changing look at all this fuckin ah

internet bullshit tech savvy oh they want

so it kind of looks like they want fucking hipsters techi hipsters to be the truckers

and for whatever reason it seems like they're a little bit dissatisfied with

the current demographic of truckers who are just

boomers and

im not really tech savvy people

so it kind of looks like

something's going on with

i don't know it seems doubtful that they actually represent truckers it seems like these are people with an agenda to bring in more truckers why would they have that agenda

right there's a labor shortage of truckers what agenda do they have to solve that problem how does that help truckers

it makes it makes tropkers have less economic leverage right

so is this does this represent truckers or do they represent trucking companies

and trucking monopolies in bed with the establishment

and the government

we'll have to find out

we we'll check out there linked in

home

is there an about

about the cta

let's check it out

let's do a little deep

it

deep dive

forty five hundred carriers owner operators and industry suppliers

ct is a federation of the country's provincial trucking associations

what is this i can't read this

represents pirtual carriers from all walks of life in all sectors it includes

sufficient profitability and enhanced image

mutually beneficial partnerships with customers

safe and environmentally and social okay when you get when you start hearing about that environmental shit

that's a cold word by the way just want to let you know

m

this is really mysterious and vague

but i'm going to go ahead and deduce without being able to conduct any further research

that this is glory's fok this is the establishment

and they're fucking

claim

babley shouldn't be trusted

that all the truckers are happy and satisfied and that these this just a minority of bad apples of course they're going to say some shit like that

it's fucking ruling class propaganda in nothing more so we can already deduce

that's not a very reliable source

its ruling class propaganda government propaganda

the federal minister

oh oh the federal minister of transportation put it at ninety percent

may as well put it at ninety five since you're probably just pulling it out of your fucking ass

but even if it was true

for the sake of having the devil's advocate that the majority are vaccinated

it doesn't say anything about whether they want to be vaccinated

or whether or not they relate

to the resistance against the vaccine mandate for the material reasons i gave you before

with a class in material reasons he doesn't even address any of that

according to these numbers yes according to these numbers somewhere between twelve thousand and eighteen thousand truckers

who regularly crossed the border

are currently not vaccinated

and i'm willing to bet that more a few of them would rather get shot than lose their jobs

get the shot then lose their jobs

ah what's going to threaten you with getting fired

they will obey me if i threaten them

why don't they get it voluntarily why do you have to threaten them with their jobs

what he's that this person's definitely made the successful case

that there's no basis

among the majority of truckers

or the freedom convoy it's just a few bad apples

we just have to pretty much like force them to get the shot at a proverbial gunpoint

but you know we when i whipped my serfs they disobey

so the serbs are good and obedient because when i whip them they obey what i say so clearly they don't have a problem

every time i beat them with a stick

they do what i say

and i'm sure my serfs if i beat them harder will do what i say so what's the problem

why these serfs

rebelling who's this

who's this guy thomas munser

thomas munster

the peasant rebellion

he's a complete

psychopath

also he's being backed by florian get florian geyer and the the

the black army

of ah knights and those are privileged knights oka florian geyer came from a privileged knight background he does not represent the peasants ok he's the only knight that defended the peasants but

you know that song the sin wes guys how offen yeah that's propaganda because

you know this this

h the black band of florian geyre

uh yeah

that

that was those were not peasants those were knights ok so clearly they don't represent the peasants

o most of the serfce i beat them with a stick and they listen to what i say so be like a good obedientce serf

be like a good

peasant

and listen

ok because when i beat them with a stick they do what i say

when i threatened them with their jobs being lost

they'll be more than happy to comply

just these

rabble rousers

causing disarray

ah my ph d candidate

i'm a phd i have a phd that makes my nipples hard

ah

i'm thinking about all the power i'm going to have in this new great reset

they're going to have to all listen to me and i'm going to be able to control all these vulnerable people

and my agenda will be implemented

ah with no pushback

pick them with a stick

anyway

so far

the liberals claim there has been no noticeable reduction in trucks

ultimately the number of truckers who prize their breedom

freedom

fnt

t

there's some freedom for you

you

just haven't had a good old taste of the whip

ah

yeah

yeah on' you get a taste of that wip

keep talking to me about your freedom these peasants and serfs going on about

their for freedom

now excuse me freedom

next they're going to start talking about having rights

not all is the best one is the best one next they're going to start talking about having liberties

i

oh i know what's neks what's neks

we're going to let these peasants vote

oh man it's just out of the ballpark freedom really freedom i mean what's next

what's next independence like emancipation ah oka yeah let's just emancipate the serfs guys let's just let's just emancipate the serfs i mean these these peasants and their wild delusions it's crazy

it's crazy it's absolute madness you know

anyway

oh to get other sick

over maintaining their livelihood is likely to fall well short of their projections

by the political hucksters orchestrating this modern so called woodstock of the petite bourgeoisie cause you know

listen the petite bourgeoisie those are the citizens those are the working class i hate them onun the why

becuse they're a little bit independent from me

meanwhile these vulnerable migrants and marginalized groups ow they're so desperate it's so easy to control them oh you'd better listen to me or else you're getting deported you don't have rights you're not a citizen you're grateful to be here so i can control you

the petite bourgeoisie you know the people who have the minimum of independence

we have leverage

the the people i have to convince

who aren't going to rely on me based on pure social desperation

who i can't immediately institutionalized to realize my agenda the people i've had a hard time convincing to be class conscious after the seventies i read chairman mas works i read the works of chairman mau in the quotation of chairman mao and when i went to that construction site they all spred in my face so i hate them but when i talked

to a crack head on the street he was pretty open to it

m so i think i know who the real proletariat is now

uhhuh

i know who the real proletariat is now

anyway let's continue

the extent to which this convoy is actually about trucking or truckers is debatable

the network of far right wealthy organizers and donors backing a florian geyre yeah he was a knight

you think thomas muncer represents the peasants while the knights backing him

ok

calls claims of authentic connection to working class truckers into question

the convoy's two principal organizers are now figures of canada's far right

the canadan aighty anti hate network draws a range of further connections between the convoy and

all right

racist and xenophobic elements oh i really believe you let's see these are the two principal organizers

what is the evidence of these being the two principal organizers is there any evidence of that

ok

a key party figure in the maverick party is leading a fund raising effort

so that means he's the leader

of

the convoy no

if the far right are the first ones to organize fundraising that doesn't mean they're responsible for the fuck and convoy itself you dumb ass you should have been there faster to fuck and organize that fund raising than they were

they got there first you snooze you lose you dumb ass you were out here denouncing even before they started fund raising for anything

you are denouncing these fucking truckers don't fuck and sit here and tell me your excuse for hating them

is because of the far right organizers when even before these people started fund raising anything you came out against them you fucking liar and dumb ass

the toronto star reported last week that goll fund me

i hate when people can raise money without

institutions controlling it

throug which the convoy organized raising money

was freezing four point seven million

until it verified where the funds had come from and on what they'd be spent

and you know why

because it's just a rational thing there's no ruling class agenda there's no class bate there's no class war

it's just the rational versus the irrational and i'm a marxist and

this conflict is between the irrational mob and the rational saane

you know what reminds me of this movie i watched marie antoinette

i don't know like what the french revolution was or what marx had to say about it

but i'm pretty sure you would have been on the side of the rational nobles and would have totally denounced those irrational mob

rabel rousers who are just

how dare they

marie antoinette and her friends

were rational and you know i'm pretty sure marxism is about

being on the side of rational people and not

crazy rerabbel rosers

okay

convoy organizers claim the funds are used for fuel feud and loading truckers

when the convoy came to kingston

kingston police

counted seventeen

oh

tractor trailers

a hundred and four tractors

with no trailers

four hundred twenty four passenger vehicles six r vs

that's some expensive gas in hotels

no it's not

you know how much that should cost

do you know how much this shit costs

are you stupid are you a fucking trucker yourself you don't know how much it fucking costs

at least one third of the two point eight million

came from anonymous donors oh like the anonymous donors that funded the bolsheviks sometimes

yeah that happens

you know there's anonymous donors who fund me they're called oil princes

sometimes they come in give me one hundred subs

does that you know mean the that's how it works you fuck an idiot just because someone has money doesn't mean they're aligned with the ruling class

people who have money can have all sorts of ideologies and views and causes they want to support you're an idiot

are those using fake names in some cases donations as large as

twenty five thousand were made anonymously or using aliases

the latter of violation of go funmi's terms of service

you violated the terms of service now didn't you

mm mm mm

and by the way

i'm the one who reported that

i'm the one who reported that yeah

i read go fun me's terms of service and you violated them

and i was the one

who reported it to them

mmhmm

maybe you should have followed the rules

sorry not sorry

sorry not sorry maybe it should have followed the rules

ok

as of january twenty third

thirty first the convoy had raised more than nine point four million

what

you mean they had mass support

from the people in

you mean people rich and poor in the middle were all donating to them

what

now now

it's all nazis

the c t a which represents the real truckers and not the establishment and that totally believe me trust me

with al gaborh

semus o'regan the federal minister of labor

and carla qualtro

the minister of employoyment

distancing itself from the so called freedom convoy

oh my god hold on wait

our guys all was wrong

everything i said was just the soul dream

was wrong

because it turns out

the government distanc itself from the freedom convoy and the government

chill c t a

i can't believe the government distanced themselves from the convoy i can't believe it

i can't believe i

i give up i lost

it's i you know i might as well leave why am i still here

why am i even still here

ok i didn't know the government denounced them i shouldn't i'm this is embarrassing i got to go guy sorry

b

it p on

i did just think of some

and i just want to talk on that

i

why wouldn't the fuck in government

distance itself from an anti government

protest movement

just curious

before i go can you please tell me that

because i'm willing to go sosch a profound beautiful point but can you please explain to me why the government wouldn't denounce them

who knows

the reason elights us

the reason elights us

still

we may never know

who knows i mean i don't know do you know

we may never know it's a complete mystery

ok

let's continue

yeah there's no way to tell honesty

the joint statement reads in part

since the outset of the pandemic

the government of canada cana chuck in

i don't give a fuck

the c t a as the largest trucker employer association

are you gonna tell us about what the cta actually is orre you gonna fuck and lie

what does this mean

what is a large

trucker employer association means because it sounds like a government thing to me it sounds like something in bed with the government and the companies in the establishment to me that's what it sounds like

it sounds like the monopoly trucker companies

are

this

wait

hold on

wait

i didn't even see that

hold on

i

i actually didn't see this

it's not even an employee association it's an employer association the the pses it's a falcan association of the bugoise

i really didn't

i didn't i i it's so like unfathomable i assume this was

employee in my head i just caught it

this is an employer association

the c t a is an employer association

which means it's the fucking bosses you fucking idiot

oh my god the rute

the managers

the employers are against it

goodf what is this hold on

adam d king

he's a union researcher i bet

i don't know what kind of research he's doing

but

he's citing the authority of an employer association

guys think of the employers think of the bosses the employers

he researches grad student unions

what what am i ok what on

you know what this this is so beautiful

you know for all their posturing they're always gonna go back to suck in the cock of the ruling class that's what these people do

this like effortlessly citing the c t a like a legitimate respectable authority that's the employer association though

that's the employer association

what you just going to me you just gokining to like

you just kind of like agree with them and be like ok yeah they're right

you' gon a side with the bosses basically

they're not fighting for higher wages or for union rights or anything that i find academically acceptable they're just fighting for rights and liberties

why should they care about that everything's about economics

the fucking dumb ass it's called economism

where the fuck up you idiot i already explained the economic

and material reasons why they're doing it too so like shut the fuck up

you're you're a little late here dumb ass don't come in my chat say dumb shit

mask mandates are not about freedom

you can come my vic to get on band but because you just said mask mandates

when this is about vaccine mandates

proves to me you're not even worth

paying attention to

co you free to get in my v c i doubt you will

none of them do none of them do

why after you saw the lecture i just gave about the causes behind the freedom convoy and all that shit

would you get in the v c i mean it seems like i'm actually a pretty formidable opponent and you might get

fucking cloud

made to look like a fucking dumb ass

it called on protesters remained peaceful and sought to disavow any connection to foraran elements

the association of ntal trucker employer groups had previously argued against the vaccine mandate

resume knowing that a vocal minority of it small business membership opposed the policy

on the other hand as the business representative for the industry that is most engaged with the federal government

in our sendse and wants to maintain its access to those with influence and power

i di he wrote this not me he literally just said

the cit a is in bed with the federal government

it represents the industry

and wants to remain

it wants access to those with influence and power

so what does that say about the statistics they gave

here distancing themselves and saying eighty five well the shit

literally shut the fuck up

spokeen initie complain of a labor shortage conserv m ps in operating the line

steve

the narrative of a perpetual struggle shortis serves those with real power in the industry

the myth of a constant labor shorage allows

but there is a labor shortage because of the pandemic you fuck in dumb ass

if there's like a tendency for them to exaggerate labor shortages

whatever

but right now i'm pretty sure that's not what this is i'm pretty sure there's actually a real fucking labor shortage

what a brain dead stupid fucking article to write

the myth of a constant labor shortage allows trucking firms to lobby governments for looser regulations concerning labor rights

worker training and safety

ok

but there actually is a labor shortage right now

there is one right now

and actually the labor shortage

alp struckers

because it increases demand

which means they get paid more

is long as

you know

they're not the fucking monopoly industries who are hiring people

labor shortage is entirely superficial

i'm looking for a citation and he's talking about the one nineteen eighty s

in the in the aftermath of the pandemic is there a labor shortage

where's the citation for this that it's entirely superficial

you may claim

that

the long term it was entirely superficial

but how about now

deregulated to break the power of organized labor and increaseed competition

through proliferation of small non union firms

once free trade agreements with the u s came int to force

canadian trucking was overhauled in the same way

populated by many competing for hire trucking firms a proportion of which are operated by relatively wealthy

small visitors

well what proportion

what proportion

you don't you see this vague language he's saying a proportion

because does't want to tell you that it's actually a minority

the majority are not wealthy it is a minority who are wealthy

the result for most trucking workers has been disastrous

working conditions of pay become so degraded for the majority

that turnover is at record highs workers are on the countenance and terrible gs for so long it's almost like

the trucker convoy is the boiling point of all that

just like trumps was

burnafta

of to lasted decades it only came to the fore with trump

it leads to a situation where there is actually a surplus of trained and licensed drivers but growing numbers of them driven ouy of the industry by horrendous conditions

here's the race stuff

they are dependent on a steady influx of temporary foreign workers whose vulnerable citizenship status

leads them ripe for exploitation which is true

but that also means

they don't have enough leverage to be able to revolt

ude rana at the globe and mail reports that one in five truckers

canada south asia

ok yeah the they go through a shitty time

ok

employee misclassification is rampant in the trucking industry

small trucking firms frequently force the drivers into independent contract relationships

this is the key i talked to you about this

downloading financial risk and expenses on to workers yeah i talked you about this a lot of these people listed as

operator owners

are forced to do so

the listed on their l l cs by their companies

so they can be less regulated

misclassification further relieves small employers of making contributions to the employment insurance

the trucking sector accounts for eighty percent of the labor standards violations

our research further discovered that small businesses with fewer than one hundred employees accounted for eighty nine percent of labor standards violations

that's not surprising

because the bigger ones are in bed with the government

the smaller firms employ only thirteen percent of workers in the federal jurisdiction

wait are you saying the overwhelming majority of workers in the trucking industry are either employed

by giant monopoly

truckers trucker companies who are not present at the protests

or

are not employed at all and are

small business owners who own their so called small business owners who own their own trucks becuse if that's the case

that really damages your argument that all the people at the protest are just

kolocks who hire others labor because

only thirteen percent of workers are would be hired by those people

far away most likely to break the law and systematically violate workers rights

is small trucking firms

no you're wrong

because

you're lumping in people who own trucks

and only own one truck

youho are probably in debt

with this tiny minority of people who have fleets that they own you fuckin dumb as

how do you even if you own a fleet of trucks

how are you even going to attend the protest you're going to force your employees to attend

how are you going to bring all your trucks you can only bring one truck dumb ass

or you can ally with p you know i mean it's just so fucking stupid what this guy saying

it's so brain dead

youn't hire employees to drive your truck to the protest shut the fuck up

yah don't lump a guy with a truck who's pretty much the same as an oober driver

with someone who has a hundred employees or less i mean what a fucking broad range of people

that encompasses

this is such a stupid fucking article

i can't believe that cue guy linked it like he was saying something

have you ever seen someone get more thoroughly eviscerated than q tonight

i would really feel bad i would rather not be that guy at all what a fucking joke

that's a fucking joke

he linked his shit as if he was making a point

this is the most stupid

fucking

thing i've ever read

interviewing many federal government inspectors

confirms this ok

the vast majority of their time chasing around mom and pop trucking companies ok

how many of these companies are self employed truck owners in debt

versus people who hired were a small trucker company that

you know owns a fleet of twenty five trucks

like if you own a fleet of twenty five trucks

he's including you with someone who just owns their own truck

this is the most stupid fuckin

methodology

wait

it's almost over go on i was waiting for the part where he proves

his thesis

he has to prove his thesis that the trucker convoy is not a worker's revolt

that's what you have to prove here you fucking idiot you didn't even prove it we're getting to the end of this shit i didn't get any statistics i didn't get any data i didn't even get any claims made so let's see what he says

it's safe to assume that the people who made the trek to ottawa

aren't the same people filling labor violations claims

with the federal labor programe

why why is it safe to a one

why is it safe to assume that

and two even if they weren't that would mean

that they're independent operators who don't hire anyone but just own their own trucks

rather than exploited workers in a deregulated industry

hold on you fuckin weasel you fuckin weasel pieces shit

you didn't guess the trucker con you said it is not a worker's revolt that was not a guess it was an assertion

it was a statement

it was a fucking statement actually it wasn't a guess it was a statement

you made a statement

in your title

and then at the tail end of your fuckin article

instead of justifying what your title was you just said my guess we your guess is based on what

that trackers actually presdent ottawa are by and large self employed owner operators

this small contingent of wealthy or small proprietors w have made quite well in the wild west outfre trucking again

this is a wrong and brain dead statement

because you're lumping in

these small pur you're making two mistakes you're lumping them in

with the small companies that hire other labor and own you know multiple trucks

you're a lumping

people who are just self employed with them two in not taking into account

that many of these small proprietors are probably in debt and are probably facing financial hardships

and are at risk for

losing their trucks

you're not taking any of that into account

it was a revolt of the petite bourgeoisie

financially backed by wealthy right wing grifters

but you haven't even proved that you' just guessing

so why did you ssert

that this is not a worker's revolt the most you could say

is that you don't know

right the most you could say here is that

i don't know right

but that's not what you're saying're you're making the claim that it's a revolt of the petite bourgeoisie

because you guessed it to be so now i'll have some good faith

um

engagement with your thesis

i think it's not unfair to infer

that the people who are able to risk

and go to this convoy this thing

probably there's probably a very significant portion if not majority i don't know

who owned their own trucks

because they can't get fired that way right they're not going to get fired

so that's not unreasonable to infer what is unreasonable to infer

is that there's a significant portion who own multiple trucks

because you're making a very fatal fuckan error

of confusing

by the way that wouldn't be the petite bougoisie it would be the big bouzoisie if you own twenty five trucks

you are a bourgeois

and you hire labor you're your bouzoi you're not a fucking petite boozoi

why because you're a small company relative to a monopoly with a thousand trucks

get the fuck out of here

twenty five trucks is a lot twenty five people

i think you guys need to understand if you hire like

five people that's five trucks if you hire ten people that's ten trucks

you hire fifteen people that's fifteen trucks if you have fifteen fucking trucks you're not part of the petite bourgeoisie

if you own two trucks

you're probably not part of the petite bourgeoisie if you own one truck

maybe i'll entertain

the mistake you're making and i'll forgive your mistake but even then it wouldn't be true

right

the petite bourgeoisie

is the professional managerial class today doesn't really exist in any other form

this weakends idiotic pageantry was thus a political consequence of the decades long class project rebak the trucking sector

a replaced with poorly regular labor market of hyper competition among small owner operators and other precariously poison workers but i thought these people were wealthy bousoisie

and not people either forced

to list themselves as small operators

as a form of misclassification

or

people who just are probably in debt or even if they're not in debt only own their own trucks

because you're lumping those in with people who own forty five trucks

by the way

he's actually saying

that some one who owns their own truck

is qualitatively the same

as someone who owns seventy trucks and hires seventy people to drive those trucks

that's what this guy saying

this is a ph d in sociology

mind you

gus

sorry ya the the chat is kind of dead is

is anyone bewildered by this

that cu linked this stupid fucking article

is anyone bewildered and just shocked at this guy

made such a fuck and ass of himself by going on fuck and twitter and sharing this article like it actually said something because here's what the article said it has said my guess

he said it's safe to assume he didn't prove why and he said it's my guess

he didn't even reason why that is

you didn't even give a reason for why that is you dumb ass are you trying to say there's some comparison between the regulation of vaccine mandates and labor regulations is that what you're saying you'd even make a fucking argument here

there wasn't even an argument to be found in this stupid fucking article

right

liberal nostrums about trusting the science of vaccines aren't enough to address the mst

deeper issues

only the heavy lift of union organizing

building worker power and reregulating the trucking sector's labor market

can help me back the power of the far right and its small business supporters

oh

so you're a parasite

and you have a ph d in union research

and as it turns out the whole solution to the problem is if

people give you power and listen to you

and unions are the panacea to this whole thing

you tried unionizing amazon you fuck and failed

good luck

by the way i have no idea why this would even address the issues on display of the freedom convoy because you're making a contradictory statement

if what you're trying to say is that the causes of the freedom convoy

ah is that people are

precariously position and have all this economic anxiety that would contradict the statement you just made

that the freedom convoy is mostly made up of wealthier small proprietors so how would this address

the freedom convoy if all these people are wealthy kulaks

the only people who would benefit from this

are the people who according to you are not at the convoy

so what what is even the argument you're fucking making

what is even the argument you're fucking making here it's completely illogical and fucking brain dead and stupid right

and i'm going to make a tweet right now because i have to

holy shit

holy shit

i just reviewed

the article

the fak

marxies

that

canadian liberal

canadian liberal

who's friends with true doaug

hosted on stream

and i

and

i'm

actually shocked

at how fucking easy it was

completely

destroy and rip apart nearly every single claim

made in

no wonder this guy wouldn't

thank

mm

can't say law not even fucking laughing and

the article ended

with this fucking idiot

saying

he guesses that most people in the convoy are wealthy

without giving any reasoning or explanation for why

contradicting himself multiple times and

saying that

self employed is the same as

lawyer

i'm actually shocked at how funck andun easy that was

i'm actually shocked at how funcky easy that was

i don't care about the spelling err

i literally don't give a fone

wow

when you guys falck and' belief

so guys

i think that's it for that

let me know if there's anything else you want me to address

m

did he make any other arguments i need to address let me check my twitter really quick before we move on to cover jackson's

um

jackson on r t

holy fuck the communist party of canada in't

i don't even want to read this

so this is what they do

they go

they're all nazis

and it's all blolldshed

and this is what they should propose instead

and until they listen to what we say they're all fucking

nazis

and that's it i'm not even i'm not going to review anything else that's literally all they say

that's all they' foking

isn't

isn't it that's that's all they fucking do

on their two thousand and twelve ugli at website

you know what people say on twitter i'm not going to go on your stream you want to know why guys

because i'm twitter

they have the advantage everyone's against me on twitter

but as soon as they get in my v c and they come here

suddenly the whole chat

you know and they can't hold their own so what does that say about you you fuckin pussy i can go on your turf

and take on thousands of people but you can't come here and deal with my fuckin chat you fuckin pussy without your fuckin echo chamber you don't have any ground to fuck and stand on you fuckin pussy

i go on twitter

and i take you all on

you can't even do the minimum of taking on four hundred people in my chat

five hundred people whatever

talkn pussy

these people on twitter they're hiding behind each other they hide behind the crowd i'm the only fucking man

who fights them as a man individually i take them all on this is the one i believe i don't fuck and hide behind any one

but they can't come on my turf because they're scared here where the majority

you can never be put in a fuckin situation where you're in the minority you con never be put in a fuckin situation where you're the one who has to hold your own against the majority you fuckin pussies

you can only do it when you have all the support of all these followers and likes

i will grow in any one's community and take on the head guy i went in osh

i had fifty viewers i went and took on wash i had fifty viewers i went and took on destiny

all these people i went on their turf alone

and i took them on

you think i falkon respect these pussies

who need all this social support

this is q by the way

that's not a joke this is literally him

this is actually qe

this is actually q

yeah

that's actually him

and yeah you know who this is it's just intrudeau

and this guy calls himself a marxist he says he's a marxist whatever and heay

he's this he's this revolutionary right

and doesn't shit just make sense

shit just kind of makes sense doesn't it

it just kind of makes sense like that

i mean you will not find me

you'll never find a picture of me shaking hands

with someone like this you just won't

oh yeah i want to i want to expose more of a qs blunders

because this actually is fucking on

embarrassing

right

so there's two tweets i'm going to address right

there's this one

this one ok

so

the two ones i'm going to address and we're going to move on to

covering the jackson

so this guy such a smart guy

i told him to read the development of capitalism in russia because he alleged the middle peasant only came about after the revolution that's not fucking true

it existed as early as eighteen ninety nine

and he says oh the wealthy peasantry took their place among the petite bouggoisies see look at this carefully worded language the wealthy peasantry among the petite bourgeois

among which petite bourgeois that the minority of them that exploited other laborers or the people who just own their own land

and didn't hire any labor

that's a very important distinction lenin thought it was an important distinction so this is the evidence he provided me that lenin agrees with him

that

the petite bougeois peasantry were bad right here's what lenon said

the system of socio economic relations existing among the peasantry

shows us the presence of all those contradictions which are inherent in every commodity economy

every order of capitalism

competition yada yad yada concentation of production hands of minority

forcing of the majority into the ranks of the proletariat their exploitation by minority through the mediing of merchants capital

and hiring of farm laborers

there is not a single economic phenomenon among the peasantry that does not bear this contradictory form

one specifically peculiar to the capitalist system

that does not express a struggle and antagonism of interest

does that imply the advantage of some and disfendage others

it is the case with renting the land the purse of land with the industries ok

what does this have to do with what i said

this doesn't address what lenin said about the small petty buzi is this fucking idiot trying to say that lenin made the claim that all peasants were either proletarians

or

capitalists that's not true

lennon understood there's a lot of shit in between he wrote about it

holy fuck do i have to pull it up

the development

of capitalism in russia

i guess i' have to pull this shit up now

differentiations of the peasantry

so

conclusions

okay

so

keep in mind

a qew claimed that the middle peasantry did not exist before the revolution

lennon wrote this in eight hundred ninety nine here's where he talks about the middle peasantry

the differentiate of the peasants which develops the latter's extreme groups at the expense of the middle peasantry

keep in mind lenin was describing a phenomena a phenomena that never fully came into fruition

but on top of this phenomena of the differentiation of the peasantry into proletarian and bourgeoisie

there was the middle peasantry

and the middle peasantry were just

these the democratic petty bousgeoisie who just own their own land that was the middle peasantry ok

who remained the majority

mind you

they were undergoing a class struggle internal to the middle peasantry

so this guy's a fucking dumbass he's cited something that talks about the way in which the middle peasantry

has its own class struggle

but nowhere does he no nowhere does it address

that lenin regarded the middle peasantry

as a revolutionary class as a whole taken as a whole

now he thought the proletariat should lead the middle peasantry

obviously

but he was referring to the middle peasantry as a whole

oka

um

and this is what he said

peasants who worked their own land and did not exploit labor as others were largely present before the revolution

yes

leton literally talks about them here and here

and here in here in here in here in nre

yes they were

what a fucky illiterate guy

this is the guy who argued with me w rashoed me look at him on hundred fifty five likes hundred sixty five what hom did i get eighty

this is how fucking stupid twitter is i'm losing my mind you'd think i'm wrong is this a sign i'm wrong that i get ratioed how can i be correct though i got ratioed how am i correct how is this guy a fucking idiot who is wrong and i'm correct can you explain that to me how is he wrong yet he ratios me

and i'm correct

can you explain that to me i'm losing my fucking mind here

this is how fucking if you want to know why twitters fucking stupid

and that what's popular on twitter

isn't what's true or what's correct

look no further than here

this idiot doesn't even know that the kulx

emerged after the stolipen reforms not the revolution

the stolipen reforms created the kulaks before the revolution the majority were mis middle peasantry

the development of capitalism in russia

refer to the way in which the middle peasantry were increasingly being divided yes

but they remained the middle peasantry all throughout

up until even collectivisation

in the majority of cases the middle peasant cannot make ends meet without resorting to loans

to be repaid by labor service

every crop faring the middle peasant

the rurle proletarian by comparison with the middle peasantry consumes less

so he's distinguishing the middle peasantry from the rural proletariat

and the peasant bourgeoisie

lenin regarded the middle peasantry as the revolutionary class

led by the proletarian element within it which would be brought out

through the industrial urban working class so that's why he believed in the alliance

of the urban workers and the rural peasants and lenin and mao discovered that you don't even need to go through the urban workers you can just

the peasants lead the peasants

because the urban ones are actually not revolutionary

lenin learned that the hard way

after nineteen seventeen

the urban working class betrayed the revolution they led strikes they sabotaged shit

it proved to be a counter revolutionary force

did you know that

weor they either joined the army and died or the ones that stayed they were sabotaging shit they were going on strikes

they were

protesting the bolsheviks and all this fucking bullshit

they were wreckers

so fucking dum

ok

labor service presupposes and requires the middle present one who is not very affluent

but is also not a proletarian

so he's talking about this substrate

that reproduces the conditions of labor the middle peasant

that was lenin's brilliance was this this book is more

this is the most brilliant thing lenin ever wrote but this is lenin's like magnum opus

this is why lenin was lenin

this is what defined him

not the state in revolution

not what is to be done not not

anything else

not even imperialism the highest stage a that comes as a close second

this is how lenin made a difference in the history of marxism this book

in which lenin pointed out the wealthy peasantry took up that that has nothing to do

with the middle peasantry though

that has nothing to do with the middle peasantry this

this is meaningless

this can either refer to the middle peasantry

which lenin did not view the wealthy peasantry to be in association with or can refer to the peasant bourgeoisie

who were synonymous with the wealthy peasantry

this

is a stupid fucking word to use because is it is he referring to what lenin called the middle peasantry

or is referring to the up and coming peasant bourgeoisie we don't fucking know we don't know

but if this is meant to refer to the big b the peasant bousgeoisie it's not relevant to my point

if it's meant to refer to the middle peasantry it's fucking wrong

this does not say that he's not saying the ddle peasantry is turning into the bourgeoisie

the middle peasantry's divided that's the fucking point

how old is this cue gai because i am schooling him i am dominating and fucking destroying him

beyond the threshold of recovery it's fucking sad

it's actually fucked sad

it's so fucking sad

ya

you came onstream

ah

long time ago

and he he sucked up to me he was really nice and polite and cordial

look at this

farmers are joining in the protest too in canada

wow

the whole working class is rising

and the left is denouncing them as nazi wood

what a we what what is this what are we folking living in

the whole working class is uniting

i'm going on jackson's twitter

it's where i got it from

the whole left is uniting

and the left a sorry the whole working class is uniting it's an uprising of the canadian people and the left is denouncing them as nazis

what if the fok on earth is going on wors aren't we communists supposed to be the ones

trying to

leapers

or oror or reach out to these people

what is going on

oh where's the nazi flags you guys see any nazi flags i don't

where the nazi where's the nazi flags i don't see any

farmers beed trakers

amzing this is awes the left is denouncing this

i don't i don't know what the fuck to say i don't it's

holy fall

gay

now i got a surprise for you guys

podcast

this is not photoshop

it's not fake

it not

i want to bring in jackson hainkolb

oh my god it's beautiful

you know how many art viewers are going to love this gky

i'm going on r t too we have it set up too

we're going to

this is big guys if you think i'm stagnating now

trust me

i'm working on it

this is the year of the tiger

we haven't even begun yet

i want to bring in jackson hainkel political analyst and host of the dive podcast

to discuss this ongoing battle with the truckers at the canadian border to thank you so much for joining me

thank you for having me ok so looking at the events over the weekend this past week do you feel like the group is any closer to getting at least a meeting with tudeau and his office

and would that be all it takes

i think they have to be you know we've gone through the multiple stages of this protest now first they tried ignoring

the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of protesters and supporters all across the country then they tried to just write them off as fringe

and now you're seeing the mainstream media elites and government leaders having to resort to call them terrorists and separatists

which if you're on the ground in ottawa where you've seen videos of these protesters

you know that that's not true

i think the only thing that could possibly happen now especially as we are moving into the new weekend with the coming you know weekend there's going to be more and more people that come back out

is to have some sort of a dialogue between the government

the trudeau administration and you know all the protests

do you think this is a bigger picture and do those truckers on the ground do you think they realize that it's not just about the mandaatesc

and i should tell you

it's comon at d c

and i think jackson plans on going

and the convoys going to be coming a d c

in march

c p i is going to be in austin on march i'm going to that

jackson

and

someone else i don't want to i'll let them announcement i don't know if they're ready to announce it

someone you guys know

we're going to austin

next month

for the c p i conference

canada but you have people like elan musk actually tweeting out his entire base as support of tp

and guys

usually i tell you

don't come near me in public

not zirko

but since this is a political event

yeah come if you can come come

i mean don't drop what you're doing and get a plane ticket but if you're in austin or if you're in dallas

come you want to take a picture with me or something you know we could do it

don't do that i mean twitchcon

you know

i'm going to run away from you all at twitchcon

what

and we're all going to be here

and

you know if you guys want to chill with me jackson caleb

and attend this ev i mean

i don't know if you should you know drop what you're doing int a plane i don't know you know go to the go fund me check it out you know

truckers calling go fund me hypocrites for freezing the millions of dollars in donations he's comparing the site to thieves clearing out of trains in california go fund me is stealing more rhonda santas is getting involved fraud investigations into the company

could do you do you think these truckers understand that this is actually bigger than just mandates in ottawa that this is actually a a almost global

he was down to debate perfect

let's do it right now

finally he's down to debate

i'm goinga go piss

i'm going to go piss

has i been holding in this pis

and then we're going to do it

let me go piss ra back

ll right

n

let's do this

hello

hello

he probably can't hear me because his ears are blown out by the honking

the honking was probably too intense for him he probably can't hear me

on i'll try maybe this will like fix it

maybe this will fix it on

uh huh

yeah

can't seem to hear you i work a work

greait

but

perfect

love lo

yeh

oky now i can hear you

ok you want to come up

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you sound kind of nervous

nervous wt to be nervous

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oky um

so

i want to know

why

is such

movement of the freedom convoy in these truckers

that are in ottawa honking and stuff

why is this not a working class

upriss

okay so it is

an uprising of

people with bourgeois characteristics

it's an uprising of

h trucker owners

are there working class people inside of the protest know any time that you have a protest of almost any characteristic you're going to have working class people in it but is it primarily composed of working class people no

no it's not

ok so the organizers the organizer of the of the protest tomorrow lech next cop

um benjamin dihe who was

a candidate for the people's party of canada pat king a scammer associated with the yellow vest

and

the god i forget the name of the last stude who was actually

one of the people that during a previous

truckers protest

threatened to smash through the picket lines with an eighteen wheeler he actually

was a wrecker of protests in alberta

i mean they generally are not

for the working class they've never been they're not

associated with trucking in any thing but a tangential aspect except for the last two that i just mentioned

who is an owner

but are they themselves working class people no

now are people that

all of the working glass that have gotten swept up into this

yeah absolutely

um but some of them are owner operators especially the ones that've been able to park their trucks

in and around like ofll ottawa side avenues and nk their horns all night

um that wouldn't be

possible for most company drivers because they would be cutting their employers thoags keep the druk in't rather than loking goos

the first thing you said was that

the first thing i want to ask is or address as you said these are the organizers and leaders

how are you qualifying that what do you mean organizer leaders because upon looking into it looks like organized to go fund me for yeah so that's exactly it so the people who got in on the go fund me thing

seem they were also the ones they were also the ones that when i say organize the convoy i'm talking about they were the ones that

call the convoys wadter

got other owners and owner operators to support them both with funds and with logistics

talked about where they what is the evidence more th what it was these fives you but they

they've been on t v they've been on t v for the last several weeks i know they've been on t v they've been on t v because the media has been isolating them and blaming what aver the face of the whole thing but

did you know anything about them before i mentioned them

i don't care

it's well you have to care if you if you know because i looked into this

and there are no so leaders i're going to tell there are no were leaders on segment please dude yeat if you're going to tell me about things that are happening in my country the very least you could do is investigate it for yourself before i did walk over me i did

okay

i did and what i was fllound was that there are no clear leaderss organizing at that

there aren't any clear organizer the whole point is the element of spontaneity was decisive oh there was allments yes it was how ok

i told you cat mention because you know not est that wasn't happening

it happened ok do you know how protests happened they don't happen because people sit organized by organizers

i have helped organize protests in my time theyanize but this s as this level of scill there's absolutely no way you're going toceman jesus christ t this level of skill there would have to be organizers no there wouldn't be

all right

there could be truckers who are getting together to do something because this is how these things catch on like a domino effect

so i have yet to see any evidence that

the organized tps the dom ok these things don't just happen out of the blue people can you organz well what are the origin this is just all the st of what are the origins of the scen envoy what are the origins

what a the origins yeat you should know this because it's your country right

any sor in what sense like i just told you what you iu of the whole thing start

it started with ok it started with people that were

that were kicking against the vaccine mandate so

and albertus is catch one on sory on qebeck there were several owners and oner operators that were upset with the vaccine mandates and they're all notaz right

pardon me

they were all nazis right

i never said that

continue continue

why would you say that i di't say that well because it seems like you're trying to say that the the fundamental essen of what seems say you're saying that essence sk about what actually comes out of my mouth you're say you're saying usre saying that on you're saying the essence of this movement i'm saying all these are what came out of our right people said whatever you invented that is exjsts you're trying to say that this

movement is on your show i over on your show and i got to play it up for the audience i get that talks al but you don't you don't play it up for your fucking twitter followers

i don't i mean you sod you sound a little different on my fk shors and you want talk a that you want to talk to me about like lendon and

petty like which you don't know shit about all that ok hold on

you want to talk about lenon was i pulled up for my chat lenon wasn't even talking about that first but you den i even jer int to the conversation because these people aren't peasants so again i know you're not hod on to yeah what i just spent i just spent some hours out

yeah i just spent two hours and what you just imagined

yeah prove anything yeah i did i spent the last two hours proving the connection between the peasantry and the so called owner operate in tree in terms of the truckers and the owner oper yeh sure you you can you can you you to express your ignorance of what's actually here can either drive the fact people

are you going to let me a answer the question no just because you're going all over the place and let's run in ok

irrelevant points and then when i answered them you're not you on on on you just hold onver me i don't care about your ignorance but these are not peasants because you are not familiar with what i said in the first place so you're in no position to address the argument i hannah as to whether they qualify

as a modern equivalent of presance or a fusion of the proletariant in the peasantry you're just not educated on this topic

the second thing though i wanted to get to

was that for a vecation for the communist party of canada us toronso club the communist party of canada can kiss my ass

the second thing yeah the second is done very low to get there this seven

oh how tall are you

six foot four

you're six four and i'm five eight right

okay

and i have hair and you don't

i'd rather be me sa ball do i'd rather be mes i you you listen you think i tra i you think i want to trade faces you think i would want to trade places with on on six four six four talk about rosea six four six four six four

you think i would ever want to trade places with you

i don't care dude you can trade places with you think i would want to though do you think i would prefer to be us six f sh w i'd rather be me w mean i'd rather be met five i'd rather be me at five two than you at six eight right

allr i call call the

yeah

so you want to talk about my heart oll enough to get really darned to get there and you got to wait gros that you're not youre you communist part of canada you're going to have to wait till your hair grows back before you mother focus have any relevance in your country how about that ok so you're going to have to waiting fori your hair grows back we just now raining it back in yeah let's rain it back and know that i know what i'm tall so raining it back in sam raining it back in and yh

ok you have too much soil that's what you're raining raining it back into the topic raining it aactlyen about ok let's go back to the topic going back to the topic

objectively you made the claim

and you cited a picture that had nothing to do with it

that there was no middle peasantry

before the revolution

i literally sorwed my strog you talked about small middle peasantry i'm like what are you referring to are you referring to did you not read the development of capitalism in russia wri in eight heen ninety nine so the uestion so you didn't read lenin the and you didn't read lenin lenin talks about the middle peasantry he distinguishes them from the preasent book is the book is like right

weere ok

so you should know this ar ok so you should know then and this is what i just showed my fucking

a chat

you should know that in chapter two the differentiation of the peasantry and the final section of that chapter

lenin and this is just an arbitrary part that i picked out

on marxis dot org

lenin refers to the middle peasantry multiple times

distinguishes them from the peasant bourgeoisie that hires labor and also distinguishes them from the peasant proletariat

who sells their labor

the middle peasant owns land

doesn't hire labor

and is mostly in debt actually right so there's a middle peasant

you denied the middle preasant exist i said that i said no you didn't you claimed you claim the middle ps was the was was that joined you claim the middle peasants was the same one that joined with the wealthy peasants

i will literally pull up exactly what you said right so i said in which ledon very carefully pointed out the post eighteen sixty one the wealthy peasantry took up the place among the petit bourgeis the petit

what do you mean who were you weoring for referring to the middle presdent so you were referring to the middle presence

but that's not what lenon said in the passage you showed

that's not who the middle peasants are so whatince or the carefully explain to me the difference the middle peasants were the land owners that were not able to hire additional labor and work their own plots of land but that isn't is not relevant or germane to

so ok ok so what's the difference between the petite bourgeoisie and the middle peasant according to what you claim

because the petite bourgeoisie were the previously existing a aristocratic class and those they were ttle peasans were the people that had recently been emancipated after eighteen sixty one

after that eight years in which they were not allowed to own land were able to purchase plots of lenon and hire other people to wait but lenin said you haven't read lenin lenin is the one who said

that the both the peasant bouoisie both the peasant bousgoisie both the peasant bouszoisie including the peasant petite bouszoisie which is by the way you faile to define what petite bouszoisi is pet bousoisi doesn't mean you hire other labor

you're clearly referring to the peasant bi that the small metle peasants much like the petit burgsi were alot able to hire labor and work alongside the liten to the ma yours w to see listen to you know not what you listen to production there they work alongside the people they hire

ok listen it's very simple ok

for lenin both the peasant proletariat and the peasant bouszoisie or the peasant petite bouszoisie which are

backtracking in your definition now

both of those arose both of the i'll explain why you're backtracking

both of those arose

from the middle peasant

not from the former aristocracy but from the middle peasant

lemonslow point

was that these class differentiations were internal to the middle peasantry itself ok finally you're backtracking because what i initially did

which compares

the way in which the truckers own their own trucks to the way in which the middle peasans own their own land and you responded to that

you responded to that first by denying the middle preasants existed before nineteen seventeen and then by claiming let by claiming that len in the that len in the jews the middle peasants of being with the wealthy peasantry which wasn't fucking s going into debt were not

prevalent prior to backtracking

who said anything about that responded to sent you a link

in the responded to in the tweet you responded to all i had done was compare the way in which the truckers own their trucks the way why you wrupting me whyre you scared to hear what i'm saying the way in which you just the way in which the truck i said i compared anything i compared i compared keep talking keep talking

keep talking

that's you asked me why and i am explaining why no you're just interrupting me

you're you did just that in a third yeah i'm responding to you you're not responding to shit you're not responding to a god damnedy thing you said presence listen and i said what i said you want to say is exactly you no no

you he is exactly what fucking happened you know this is exactly exactly what happened air tight

what i said is i compared the way in which the truckers own their trucks to the way in which the middle peasants owned their land yes then what you did hold on hold on on shut the before we get into that

we're going to get a recap of what happened then people then what you did then what you did what percentage of people in the industry onwn their own trucks

but on before we get into that percent people in the canadian tbviously a minority then what we said minority how many it does what is a stupid mat got twenty five percent ten percent this a gotcha i go you don't know the exact percentage it's a minority ok so ok ok what percentage of hair follicles are still on your head

let's let's continue so let's continue let's continue i doubt that some i doubt that let's continue

all i had done was say that then you responded by denying the middle peasantry existed before the revolution percentage of what percentage of then are you to me

then then then

you responded by denying the middle peasantry exists in the first place and when i corrected you

by talking about what lenin said about

the what he called the democratic petty bougosie which was a reference to the middle peasants you claimed that the middle peasantry lenin was talking about were aligned with the wealthy peasants you were fucking wrong you didn't know what a fucp you were talking about

you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about i literally said the wealthy psrey bro yeah said were a lige with the so called just changed how defind just changed how you define the define the middle peasants as those who own their own land clearly made an equivocation between middle peasants

petit you're falking dishonest you're fucking dishonest you clearly made an equivalence and you clearly made theqivocation me right now i said the wealthy peasantry so what are you talking about because you associated the wealthy peasantry alongside the petite busii and by the petit bzii don'tking liar psantry took up their place alongside the petit yes

small yes the small middle peasantry that you were referring to barely even exs could be said to exist until after theyy they were the majority was the middle preasent

the whole point was the middle peasant was turning into the proletariat and bourgeoisie the class differentiation was going on there the middle peasant was the default but majority were always mizzled middle peasants they were never one or the other they oscillated in between

that was what the middle peasant fuckon referred to they all had in common that their anchorage point was onwnly land they were exceedingly poor

it that's not the falking point by the middle peasant

lennon is referring to the middle a peasant middle class in the default you did like was not the middle peasant your there was a word for the p listen us you're not aware of history you don't know anything aut histores your jad gets it and they already agree with you

listen

listeny thing to them but no i was true t cho chu qo this isn't just for my chat it's for all your fuck and twitter followers the rich peasant was backedter fll sorry but watch it this the rich peasant they will watch it they will i'll make sure they watch it the rich peasant was backed by bucharan

the poor peasant was backed by trotsky

the middle peasant was stalin in lenin that everyone knows that from history the middle preasant was the subject of lenin's revolution the middle peasant it's not because they were poor the most poor the most most most poor were not the majority

the majority were the middle peasants

ok

so you need to be honest and take the fucking el on the way you try to equate the petite bousgoisie

would you like he said ok would you like to go over what he said about the middle peasants

yeah

ok all right so let's go over the development of capitalism in russia because i actually have it i haven it in text but i also have it on kindles that you want to you want to go over it right now ok col sure

so the chapter that you're talking about right we are in chapter

whises five to two

belmment capitalism russia hang on a second

section

thirteen

ye yeah hang on

okay so when he talks about the' sorry

which they find themselves commody production tendrallars prodsures on blah blah blah

fustration of production to the hands of minority driv majority into the ranks of the poletary yees attendance aordy by mean attendance spal higher of agricultural laborers a tendancy he wasn't saying the majority he wasn't saying right now the majorityarydy the i know the majority were not wealthy dude

what i'm trying to say is he no it's not about wealthy he wasn't saying the majority were poletarians he wasn't saying

that the tendency he was seeing was already fully realized

he was saying this was the tendency

there is a tendency

for wealth to be concentrated into the hands of a few

and for the majority to be imiserated

but that was not it real din already yet but that was just a tendency it did it wasn't fully realized the majority were still

middle peasants what

ok here's what i was trying to explain to you is that the owner operators would fall more along the line of the wealthy peasantry that y into and that the small middle peasantry that you were also referring to were were not largely prevalent untild after the revolution well that's not so

the abolishment of private property

allowed them to be able to work their own plots of land without endentering themselves that's why yeah yeah but

his name was on on

is it worre is that true yes but pud on

but they still own land even when they were inventured they still own land

is it i know they all landdude that's the that's the whole

the fact that they were peasant landowners is what the

put them into that class in the first place i'm talking about where they able to work the plots of land without indenturing themselves no obviously not what does that have to do with it

ok so the truckers that you're talking about the owner operators yeah the are comparable to the wealthy peasantrly really they own really

more than one vehicle and hihre people no they don't a tiny minority do a tiny minority of them do most owner operators only own their own truck that's what you've been missing this whole time there like er drivers freelance laborers no

trck

what evidence do you have the majority owner operators o stle trucks what evidence you have the majority hire other labor what evidence

would you like to find out yes ok ok let's go to second let's go to gang

the maturity

of owner operators or other labor that's what you i get these notices in my en dogs on a more daily basis right so i got to do is just go and pull them up from where they showed up my g m sure right and link make sure to link them so i can put it up from for my chat to see

all right

and you're listening to the c t a the association of employers the bosses as your source

what

yeah

this these stats come from stat can and from the canadian lions of talks sure

what bosses are you talking about

sure c t a let's go

ses no canadian lines of truckers canadian trucker association

right which is what the article you was referencing for its statistics

yeah

alright

all right so

all right so twenty percent are own operators salaried employees hundred eight nine thousand two hundred forty nine of the peil reag and two thousand truckers annual trucking ser

don't have

for

so what are you looking at do you want me to pull up this staccan or do you want it from at trucking alliance

what percentage of owner operators hire other labor

of the owner operators that have multiple vehicles like no no no the already failed

if they're driving

they have multiple rag you think that somebody who owns three trucks is leaving two idle does that make any sense do you know what capital depre i am saying the majority own money to lay on a lot majority of owner operators on one truck that's the funcking point one truck

they own one truck

according to what

point to what

you have evidence to the contrary

yes ok what what is the percentage of owner operators who own multiple trucks so

twenty three on sbot forty three point six percent

is that a majority to you

that have more than one truck

yeah

think about this

so between

the

owner operators

right and the owners

the majority of trucks on the road are run by either

people who have a fleet vehicles are people that have more than one vehicle

what are you saying of

o i'm saying the massive majority of trucks that are on canadian roads and iner crossing the border the vast majority of them are either owned by a fleet or owned by owner operators that are wealthy

right ok to have you yout your statistic isn't better you're talking about you forty three percent of only forty three percent of owner operators an multipenty percent of the trucks that are on the road are owned by owner operators and of them forty threeint six percent of them own more than one v and you would make sense well wait wait on the road at the same timetch stistics it's even less now ok so let me

get this straight

lear just to be clear

so overall

forty three percent of truckers are owner operators that's you're saying right no twenty percent of truckers are ok operate twenty percent of truckers are op owner operators overall right

right all right ok and ill th struckers hod on itd on the twenty percent forty three point six of them yeah have more than one vehicle on the road so a minority of owner operators have more than one vehicle

ok sir

a

which is what i said but

ok

but that's it that's literally what i just said

or

and what was

i guess i'm trying of i'm struggling to understand what your point is here my point is the majority of these owner operators if the owner if ok owner operators first of all if if

forty three point six of

first if forty three point six percent of them have more than one vehicle on the road that means that they're working alongside their employees

to wor it's a family business it could be a lot of things but sure to to

does the fact that they have one vehicle mean that they're actually driving the vehicle

no yeah it probably does

i'm going to go oud and say yes it does o no it doesn't because i literally fucking no wer operators that don't drive their own vehicles so what percent

don't drive their own truck we don't know that isn't i mean that we don't know w i'm supposed to take your words that you know you ring age

because hiring a driver

to drive in your stead

isn't necessarily tracked

it's just a matter of how many vehicles do they have on the road that's the only i'm going to go ahead and assume that majorityly ok we the only evidence that we have is the ho stick with me yes like yeh only way that we know whether or not they actually hire people

the only way that you are able to assume that is that they have more than one vehicle on the road and i'm telling you you i literally know

you personally all operators that don't drive their ovi listen to the brain dead insanity what you sound stupid or sound stupid the people at the protests are driving their own fucking trucks

ok so what are you talking about are they hiring people to drive it for them there

so clearly they known't how to drive the trucks are they just picking their employees out the driving themselves how does that support the thesis that the majority of the people at the protest hire other people's labor and furthermore for are the people a these are the people at these protests hiring laborers to drive trucks to the protest are they bringing their fleets to the protest

and you can't stick to a point are they bringing their fleets to the protest

it defeats your point

are thein bringing their fleets to the protest us us

again you're showing up are they employee are they are they hiring labor to go to the protest he i'm going to pay you to go to this protest you jot yeah are they hiring people to go to the protest

that's not what i said

ok and i know what you said a minority a minority of owner operators have more than one le what we started wre a minority of owner operators have more than one view minority what we started was whether or not

they

the truckers that are at the protest are nazis and i said no i don't think that that's well it's the use shifting the lo posts it's about whether they working class it's about whether the working class

it's about whether they're majority working class second what we got into second what we got into we know the first was about whether they' working class remember what yes you came on was no i mok you i mok you i mocked you about the nazi thing you asked me if the were because you accuse everyone of being nazi so i mok about the people ok you said the people at the protest are the working class and i said no they're not i said are there working class people at the protest by and large they're not

i said hold up yes i well

you don't know the answer to the question dude because if you go and i you gone and you know

by first by dint of the fact that the owners are represented in the protest and the fact that owner operators are also represented in the protest almost half of owner operators are able to hire other people to drive fucks twenty three per cent and

and we do know that owner operators hire people to drive trucks in their stead

it can be said that this is what wet

so the owner ok ok the owner operators who are hiring others to drive their one truck in their stead

are they driving the truck to the protest

i don't know so why are they relevant about whether they're not you are you i'm going to explain to staistic i'll explain to the statistics what i'm talking i will explain to thestic raiders are working class people and i'm saying for the most part no they're actually they are because for the most part they only have one truk and you listen you just prove that either of us and are able to hire people

q q listen q q listen you all you could do is try to keep talking over me

but when i nail you down you have no defense you ask you

i'm not asking a fucking question or facts i'm not ask you a question i'm stating a statements i asked you for anything shot frok up like shot literally shut the fuckerty three percent in this congress here's we just talking at he get shut up here's what just hask because you literally shut the fuck up literally shut the fuck

ally shut the fock terally shut the fock don't provide me you done don i'm done i don't you don't have a chance is you know i' do the organizers the only person that's provided any of that information in this conversation all over the place you all over the place mean potatoes stick andts listen i'm going to get to the organizers

getting to the organizers whatsever just we're getting to the organizerss we're getting to the organizers

guess what forty three percent of owner operators hire other have other trucks now you introduce the curveball well how many of them hire people in their stead even if let's say it's ten percent on ce ok let's say ten percent

of owner operators own one truck but hire people to do it for them right

those people are a non relevant factor because they couldn't possibly show up to the fuck and protest

what you onbut

because they don't drive their own trucks

so who are they hiring people to drive the trucks to the protest for them i'm talking about ok

you ask me the not non relevant factor you ask me that that's whatever proportion of single truck owners that hire other labor to do it for them

they're not at the protest

for the unknoonn factor

i've literally been trying to say this for like ten minutes but you known't let me speak

and you got blown the fuck out when you let me speak

you should probably keep interrupting me dude it's not good for you when i get to talk

you ask me questions and then when i answer yeah questions you talk finally regarding the organizers

there is no evidence that this thing was started by them

even if youy're raising the funds for it and keeping it going is did the did that did that

protests occur before these organizers started to go fund me yes or no yes

the people were in ottawa before the gulf army was started

not in ottawa but the truckers were fucking rebelling against the mandates

did the convoy to watawa even begin before the goal fundy was started

i have no idea

no

no it wasn't

ok convoy didn't begin until after the gulf army started

so how did how did that how do how do you think the convoy started in ottawa

no it's a convoy it's a fucking convoy it's not an ottawa sit in it's a fucking convoy s ottawa because they're in outawa right now they drove to aut so you're saying you're saying the w convoy was started by the five organizers

i'm saying the organizers of the go fund me

began the protest

so you're saying the go fun me began the entire protest

yeah what evidence you have the organizers of the the pro the convoy did not begin until the go fundy was in place what evidence you have for that

would you like to know when the gofummi started yes versus when the convoy started yes

go right

ok so the go finally started about three weeks ago but let me go back and get the exact d sing trucker conpoy

convoy

go fund to me and i'm pretty sure the go fund me only became a thing after itd already happened

no

no it didn't

ok

alright

so the go fund meets funding started january fourteenth

ho

convoy movements

there

what in october twenty twenty one

mean this resistance had been going on

no when did the convoy begin

was

what convoy the freedom convo the the convoys a lot of well like when di they actually like get on the voy

raised over five million by january twenty fifth

the first movements of an envoy

the first movements of the convoy

the first convoy departed on january twenty second

before

that money was raised

now

ow really so explain what happened

i know saying

right fund raising started on january fourteenth

ok was that fundraising used for to start the convoy

i mean the trucks didn't get on the road until after the fundraiser started

really

as the convoy reached ontario the protest didn't start until after the

the going fun who knew about that fucking go fund me

can you give a timeline of how much donations that go on me was getting on for a departed prince rupert on january the twenty second twenty second

yeah

thanks

go and he did that with with the money it raised one wt started how much money was raised in the goal fund me by it doesn't matter how much money yes it does yes it actually does you asked you said did the trucking protest precede the goal fund me i said no

it start the fundraising was begun on january the fourteenth the first truck didn't even leave till sepverate days later yeah what was to go fun me the reason for why the truck left

oh my god

i never said i knew about when the go funm me started but let's get to the point here

allright

so the organizers of the goald fund me were the ones that spurred the convoy so the

where's the evidence force

ok

what what do you want me to say dude

the organizations that started

the convoy in the first place all right

ah

im

the the people that were associated with the goal fun me were to merriy lynch and ben yeah i know that's who started the gol fun me

so they're the reason for the conv a couple of other people that that king who was associated previously with the levest movement supported the goal fund me and got on his instagram live and started telling people to go to the goal fund me

and uh rally people to start

their engines up and

make a convoy to ottawa

that hit forget the name of these people that were all the o in the west coast

sorry that we're in alberta

that got their owner operators rubbed on this is weird

this is weirre hold up hold up i want the go fun we started the fourteenth right there we go fun we started the fourteenth right

eah

why was it that it was only on the fifteenth

when the cover onine thousand vaccine requirementsre in of the government organizs a wholet it was like it was a day later inm of the organization it was canada unity

right james poter and kennaedy unity were the ones that got the owner operators and some of the trucking companies

and from alberta in saskatchee involved

and then it was on the twenty second

that the first set of trucks

began the convoy to ottawa

so wait and well knowach

ok the reason i'm saying that they're all an alignment and they know each other is because they were all part of the yellow vests movement from years before the canadian yellow vest movement

which is as old as about two thousand i forgets two thousand and late two thousand and seventeen or early two thousand and eighteen

i'thre the begin

but they were all organizing with the p p c and the leves movement these people all know each other

ok

right

so

so the convoy

m earned how much money

before it started getting mainstream coverage

and went viral

what does it matter how much coverage in mainstream virality because because these people was because because guess what out of on mean because these organizers not about it flevision not about it from the facebook group because he'se organizers

ok it got started ok it got organizer on a facebook group that got taken down not from mainstream television

we on

with whatever social media it went viral

these s

these it didn't it didn't go viral it didn't go viral it was actually a closed group

of people like it was so so you're saying the god money started to get a lot of donation that it was a as go how much how much donation in the slll you limited to a facebook group and a group of instagram accounts as well as the how much money did to get a masters how much money di to get from that

by that point before before they arrived in ottawa they had raised some of the neighborhood about six and a half one million dollars yeah i know but that's well after the conoly became a viral the convo was funcking viral before ottawa

all right

ok

now finally as i said

these these organizers remember where we started this conversation you asked me ok you said these organizers i me mecause i didn't know when the go fund me started i didn't know when that started

but the whole point is o

zo we not that the gofundi preceded the convoy yes yes but

but so what we don't know to put on what we don't know is if the go fundy was the reason

for the convoy happening i'm telling you the same people that organize the convoy also organize the same facebook yeah but here's the thing

is that those organizers always try a bunch of shit right you know how many people were in that facebook group

how many

and how many posts were there

i think there was about ae hundred seventy four thousand posts in that group before i got taken down it was already

as you say viral like ok it was already you just contradicted yourself then

what do you mean

you said it wasn't viral because it was a closed nonviral widespread on social media what i mean is everybody knew about you just contradicted on hundred

it doesn't do what the fuck it doesn't matter there was one hundred sirventy four thousand posts in that facebook group people knew what it was you're saying everyone ok so you're saying the idea

to have a convoy was started by these people

i'm saying the fact that people

got on the road and decided to have the like actually got on the road like fill up the trucks and t to ottawa

did the idea of having some sort of a convoy begin with them

no people were talking about some sort of a mass movement all the way since twenty twenty

oh really

so the fact that these organizers are the ones

who actually got

to do something about it

that proves that the widespread sentiment behind wanting a convoy and wanting a mass movement is necessarily far right

that's not what i said

ok nver said that so you're saying these are the leaders and these are the organizers

and yet these people

on

but these people have no control over the convoy

these people don't define what the convoy is told and their funds from the gol fund of me thevery fun from the gol fund me were never even distributed

ok

and

what they do what that did they do to organize everything it's not true one million dollars of it was actually distributed that isn'ttrue

ok which isn't enough to sustain what it had become

so what did these organizers do to make the freedom convoy

i'm pretty sure the freedom convoy was made by truckers

they gave it the name

freedom com

they called it that

but round ofp applauuse he gave it the name guys he gave it the name

so is there like a secret naz yeah on it's a secret is there like a secret nazi code of freedoms what we've established we're talking about bala right there's a there's a cabalistic symbolic umerological alphanumeric magical occult the freedom convoy spelling they gave it is invoking nazism and right started up until eight days after the

if on me had begun

but they've got yeah but and yet the go fun me was never not a dollar of that fuck and go fund me went to the truckers

at by that point so the gol onun was immaterial

why would it be i misreeal

because the go fun me had nothing to do with why truckers left the twenty second

if you know that

there is a goal fund me in your name

supporting you

that by the time you've rbbed up your engine and left

had already

hit somewhere in the let's say like low millions and by time you don't know how much it hit that's the thing w you don't even know how much you i ask you how much you i don't think it is for the school f me i can go ahead and do that like it'll take what i w you said you said a million was distributed less than ten percent of those funds were distributed this is not a milliont the time by the time the million was distributed they had raised only six and a half million dollars so ten percent

of six res mony rose

by the time it was frozen it was over ten million dollars was frozen on the second of februy one but one million dollars was distributed out of a six and a half yet it was wen it is a point the convoy would have left regardless of that gof on me

oh

unless you can tell me how much the go fund me raised by the twenty second so knowing knowing that knowing that there was energy

for agitation and a possible i don't know like a

convoy or

protests of some kind

that have been brewing since two thousand and twenty like late twenty twenty y

why did it take until the go for me to start before anyone because the ffthk i'll tell you exactly why because on january and the mandates mind you that because on january fifteenth don't interrupt me because on january fifteenth which was a day after this golf on me

the

ah chanorra

implemented the requirement for truckers to reenter the country by land with a vax vaccine requirement that was the fifteenth of january a day after the golf on me that was what kicked it off think that do you think that that was like everybody discovered on that day that canada was going to implement vaccine yesyes yes

literally it's the fifteenth it was all over the fucking news and as truckers of course they knew it was

the federal government doesn't implement mandates the day of and then tell nobody about it until the day it happens they announce that i think in november of yeah and when it actually starts because when it starts to happen that's what tkakes it off

dember of last year they knew that there was going to be a mandate yeah

in january and then they decided to protest when it was actually implemented coming back so when it was actually implemented that's you w what what saying he was creditpter if they listen if they pass a law that says on the fifteenth of january

a

everybody's going to have tomatoes thrown at them

and people start protesting only after the tomatoes start hitting them that's who cares of course it was it wasn't it wasn'tuntil a week it wasn't till a week after that

yeah but on the fifteent day that you think it would make sense that if a law was going to pass that you did not want to have pass it would make sense to protest it before passes

you think you think the laws of individual reason govern why example give an example i give you example protess are spontaneous animalistic things they're not based on reason

i will give you you're not based on reason that's fucking stupid

a giving example so we knew that there was going to be a raid on homeless encampments by the toronto police at your nity bell yes li youre liberal activist over a week over a week before it happened yeah do you dink

do you think people waited until the day before they show no protest because they are because because they're not because they're not people acting on the basis of their spontaneous material interest but the their liberal rational activist who planned wtanous that people showed up to city hall and to mayor john tory's house like to his condo bill no that was planned by liberal act that wasla had who listen fiction it wasn't based on spontaneous material interest it was based

based on morality not spontaneous material interest

pu you in

so it's going to be more mediated more rational and it's not going to just happen spontaneousational

people were getting thrown out of a park that were homeless

yeah and the reason there were protests about that was because of morality

no they were

so were the homeless themselves the ones was it all the homeless so the truckers

the truckers are being affected so the truckers going protest out of their material interest you think that do you think the homeless are being pro that people in homeless encampments weren't standing up for themselves and also protesting i doubt the majority of protesters were destys all of them were

they were all homeless

the people in the trinity bellewoods park

that were about to be thrown out protesters encampments the testers orce in protestst you mean morality do you think it was a ma a matter of morality or hey you were to live i'm living in a fucking tent in a park i don't want to be the protesters i'm going to go and protest thes do with their material reality bro

the protesters were majority homeless

what

at the trinity bellwod sparking caminet

no not in trinity bellewoods park but the ones who stormed city hall or whatever the fuck you were talking about

i did say storm city hall i went to protest at mayor john torrey's house and yeah thog were all hom they were all homeless

i mean ou

i would say a lot of them were if i'm a majority or how many

um i mean none of the like

you know a couple hundred that were there i would say

most of them were people that were also encamped at trinity bellewoods

i doubt that

i just doubt it

it was there

well i you what is your word on earth you're proving to be a liar wantan to wear a fucking goal pro the next time i go to a protest yeah you'uropeven liar so because what i know because i because for example i can it's very rare as far as i know it's it's very rare the activist a trinity bellwords were zoomers and landlords you didn't even know what trinity bellws want most people in my chat are telling me the different thing than you are

right

ok

so i don't know how i can trust word shet says were they there

i think that's a youre might have been there he actually might have been there this guy lives in canada so he might have be mean sure weverd is a samt that asked them if they were there

yeah

he may as well have been there

but anyway

did you know that

of the fifty thousand trucks let's say they raised five million

that would be a hundred dollars per truck

so saying by the twenty second even if they raised five million by the twenty second i doubt they even raised a million by then

but let's say they raised five million you think you think the truckers left on the twenty second because they were getting one hundred dollars

i think that what are they going to what a what are they going to buy the new call dudy i don't think the truckers were financially incentivized by the goal fund me to go there

so the gold funm me didn't need shit

rockers were organized by the go fund me organizers because they had had a long history of organizing far right movements in canada so what do you mean by organized

ok

are you aware of the yellow st canada movement who they are

let's forget about the yell of us how do they organize the truck and you can't forget about the yell best because ofre the ones who are organizing this protest

ok people but that's what that's what we have to set about to prove how did they organize it

he star the go fund me

the started the facebooks for group

facebook group and the go the face a go fun me organizing within the facebook group they're telling people to use zello to communicate with one another and they said this is when we're going to roll out

this is the day that we're going to converge on auto what this is what we're going to ask for

ok what day were they planning on rolling out

like when did they all leave

no what day did they plan to leave

they all left on the twenty second that's when they planned

yes are you sure

i mean

can you prove to me and i don't know i genuinely don't know can you prove to me the organizers are

the reason they left on the twenty second

would you like me to like try and find something from that deleted facebook group

'm pretty sure i would well be who has i mean

i just want to know like

why are these organizing you that they were leaving on the twenty second because they said they were planning to leave on the twenty second

that's when use camera started covering them

so did the protest that they were one ok

how many left on the twenty second here's what i think you in this country knew they were leaving on the twenty so here's a possibility all are say

only a few trucks left on the twenty second as soon as the news media started covering it it had a rollover effect so all effect we know we knew that they were leaving on the twenty second because they said so

ky so the whole convoy all fifty thousand

left on the twenty second

i don't know how many people left on the twenty second sorry three thousand to eighteen thousand left on it i don't know if it was fifty thousandor eighthundred i know that they started hitting the road on the twentyset to the million ping new station in this country was covering

and let's asking let'sre asking what their demands were they were asking when they're planning on leaving when they're going to be converging on auto on and so on and they already had this information because it was in those facebll n onunts let's let's get to the mean potatoes here

the whole point of this is

the freedom convoy phenomenon is in no way reducible

to whatever intended aims of the organizers as per their far right agenda it it's that simple

that i say that they were

the nc was all reducible

did i say was already what is the significance of these five organizers

ah

because by the time the freedom convoy assume the scale that it you know what you know you know what ok rather than talking about the points of difference beca i feel like i'm gettingowhere here let's talk about the points of similarity so no

do do then't do thato you know you don't get to shit on me on your fucking twitter and singk yout to shit on you on your twitter and then come suck my cops when you're sarm you're notter anymore we're not on twitter anymore you're an enemy territory now on twitter you get to show me and shit here i say runs in the chat of this guy's a bems and they say ones on the chat you'reing people here that were actually doing work who do

you done work have you done we're going to s what work have you done

what work have you done why don't i chat clear dout stop in regards to what

in regards to in regards to giving information about these far right organizations in regards to writing about them

in regards to showing up at protests okor to be any reing to getting people fed and helping them find housing and delivering food directly to people's homes so you charity you do charityor charity years you do charity and you're show of the liberals you're shill you're show of the liberal globalist you're a show of the establishment sholl of the imperialist show of the ruling class and i don't give a fuck about any charity you've done in your life

all right

you asked me what i did so i answered your question yeah and it doesn't it sounds like a whole lot of nothing politically speaking

i mean what have you been doing

i' have been doing i have

almost single handedly with like one other person ouw two other people

kick started an entirely new political current in this country fed who have you housed

that's not politics that's not politics who you been materially aiding that's charity

that's charity i go work in a soup kitchen insteord of thisy know that's called charity and i go work in a soup kitchen insteord of doing the shit i'm doing if i want to do that it works is when people need help you want to know what i've done you want to know what i've done you want to know what i've done that will be a thousand fold better than anything you've done in your fucking life

i've

distinguished myself

from people like you

ok

the fact that i exist is enough fat that i exist is enough the fact i have a following that i do is enough the fact that we have distinguished ourselves from you the synthetic left

is enough

once we get this shit ling it's over for all of you but you so you're saying i have niceally done sh

oh i haven't done charity no

oka

i haven't done charity i've just managed to plant the seeds of a movement

that is going to overwhelm you fake leftist fake mls into relevance good luck with that hey thank you rocktar thank you so much mom bell hey let me ask you something to you're on twitch you get five viewers ear there's not a single fuck and marxist leninist on this platform that comes close to me on you tube not a single marxist leninist live streamer that comes close to me i'm the big mother fucking daddy of this scene when it comes

comes to streaming marxism leninism it's going to fuck and stay that way now is

nices

yeah

you can you get away with the shit you want twitter to twitter you have eighty thousand followers you think are a big guy you're not shu here you're not shitt here you're not shu you have nothing youre to hear everyone's against you here

used to being popular on tw remember when you told me and i said yh what if you once heard me talk about my twitter popularity but what if you once see me say anything about how many people fel that's all you have in life that's all you have is your eighty thousands all it you have five youre andy you have failed streamer thank you know let me tell you something to let me take you let me tell you something let me tell you some you i remember you came on this

show aneswer is you came on the show and i asked you as a man i asked you why you coming at me on twitter in't even know the fuck you are and you know you said you said well everyone else was doing it so i joined is what i said is because you that what a man says is that what a man says

the answer is because you attacked my friend

and i attacked you friend and then today and then today the reason i responded to you yeah again because you attacked one of my friends and i attacked one of your friends

are your friends what makes them your friendd somebody who works with me in my party you notice that right that you and your party is full of region you w hold up the als that the only time that you and i ever happen to cross ords is when you come after people that are either my friends or comrades havef you notice your friends and comrades are scum your party is run by scumm and revisionist trad and revisionist my friends and comrades are out feeding people

and defending the ho don't you falck about their trador revisionist

traitors that's your party that's the leadership of your party

we we were they when gorbachev was destroying the soviet union you black fucking gorbatchevs you people black gorbachev you the fucking traiters that were fucking speaking for gorbatchev when he was destroying the soviet union your fucking party sided against china when the revisionist kruuschev took power in the soviet union your party

took their side

can tell me about your revisionist party of traders and sellouts

comedist part what now what will stop you just sayd some

the yeah this party of canada did what now

they sided with kruschav the revisionist when he denounced stalin they sided with grbachov when he was dismantling the soviet union they are traitors and sellouts throughout the entirety of their existence

it's impossible for them to have done that because the party was illegal at the time

it doesn't matter olso the didn't exist at all

was no they didn't they were fucking illegal so because they were illegal there was no communists in canada get the fuck out of here

the party was illegal at the time there was no communist party of canada at the time

oh oka

but they so they didn't exist or they didn't exist officially

they didn't exist

no they did exist that

they had a front party they had a front party aligned with the soviet union don't give me that bo didn't exist they didn't ok are you aware of this the affair did you know what that was

the what

the guzanko affair no

ok so

there was a russian diplomat by the name of the orga saying ok they mad is a legal asi intraational communist yeah if ca they were aligned with the soviets just your com the people who founded your party are revisionist traitors and sellouts

we actually got banned because they thought that we were aligned with stalin

ok and yet when when did the party come back

not until the early two thousand

ok the early two thousand and who founded who returned that party

a miguel figuaroa

okay and who's he

what's his legacy

did did he have any history with the party before

any affiliation anything

a not affiliation per se he filed a lawsuit against the government to be able to get the party to be able to raise money again so who was he w was his

what happened was in thee nineteen nineti s it became

illegal for the government to strip funds from any party that had raised below a certain amount and gotten a certain amount of signatures but even though the law was already passed it wasn't being enforced

figaroa was responsible for taking

the federal government of the supreme court

and leting forcing them to what was his past roles what was his past

his past yeah

as in organized

was he a communist before he refounded the communist party

i mean he had communist principles sure

was he aligned with communist affiliated i meaniations was he aligned

well the thing with ok so the party

existed

but it couldn't raise any funds by the two thousands

di exist did exist tween the mid one nine hundred ninety s and two thousand

there was a party but

there wasn't a party

there was a party but it couldn't raise any money so it was basically a party on paper

listen the truth is there were ca caanadian the communist party was founded when

twenty one under conditions of illegality so they were illegal in twenty one they still existed

you are going to have a hard time don't make me pull up the wikipedia of the communist party of canada and embarrass you right now

you have a hard time convincing me that they existed under no circumstances

after that the affair you talked about that made them illegal

so they had front organizations and shit they were aligned with the soviet union they sided with khruschev just like the american communist party did

and you are flaunting their leadership which is accomplished fucking nothing traitors revisionists and sell outs who tail behind the liberals and i'm supposed to respect this party

i' not i'm not sure what' exactly getting at right now

i'm getting at that your party is run by revisionists and tradors and seller ok so what's your ok

i'm having a really hard time with this right now because

i'm

trying to figure out

whether you you're trying to say a that we're visionist and sell outs or that be we've done nothing it's's

it one of two things

w are revisionists andllowsllws

ok

look at this shit the party still existed from forty five to ninety one even after it was banned

it still existed

it's literally on wikipedia a party didn't exist and they couldn't raise funds to it existed in fifty six

return of prominent party member salzburg from a trip

salzburg reported his findings in the mid one nine hundred sixty s the estimated

the party had thirty five hundred members in the mid sixties

i mean this is embarrassing q are you going to refute this wikipedia

by the mid sixties the united states department of state estimated the is this like a

a mep a are they ghosts

are they ghosts roaming the earth from a distant past

what you ofk abut

there were thirty five hundred members of the party in the mid nineteen sixties

okay

and you said the party did not exist if you see a problem it's a the party could make the party did not exist

and yet there were thirty five hundred members as estimated by the united states department of state

wow don't show this to your twitter followers this is embarrassing

i mean i mean sure this is bad i'm looking at your face right now you look humiliated embarrassed destroyed i look i rag through the fucking lot i would never want to be you q i would never want to be you

being six four hasn't helped you hear q

maybe add a few inches and it'll help you

through

yeah that's all you can say huffling in defeat all right

all right you got destroyed you i'm uffing you got fufking destroyed f because i don't know what the point of this is my point is the party did exist the party did exist at the time you said it didn't exist and they were revision ast traders and sellouts who sided with kruschov when he denounced stalin

o

why did kruhov denounce stalin

chris off the nonstaling because

the

desoalinization of russia was according tous necessary for im that's what's the real reason because he was saving his ass along with his other bureaucrats surged

by stalin's democratic revolution that it empowered the russian people at the expense of these bureaucratic scum the question or do you want to talk over me because you don't know the answer to the question you're saying according toh a f sho it was necessary to keep the union together just all yees scord him necessary that would it which isn't true the real reason was because he was saving his own fuck and skin from another purge another stalinist purge

and guess what

your canadian communist party also have saved their own skin and evaded a fuck and purge and since then communists in the west have never been able to win the fucking working class because you traders were visionists and sellouts

you hate the working class you hate the people you side with the bureaucrats the professional managerials and the specialists against the overwhelming majority of the people you hated the russian peasant you hated the chinese peasant mau took care of you that's ok during his culture revolution and that's why that whole thing happened and you hate the working class in america you hate the working class of canada you hate the truckers you hate the people you love your own intellect

will parasite scar all ight ok so i'll let you talk i'll let you get through like whatever you had to get through and like i'll let you say all that

coll

a you are you done have you got out of your system go ahad say what you got to say q the wounded q

kue the wounded

hey i'm su the wounded i

do you

the wounded q go ahead say what you got to say wounded q

i got a question for you wounded and how many b you how many bandages you need after this one do you do you want to have a conversation or just want likeal over what you you don't get youre t gt to run your mock on twitter talking shit about me hey you do' got you followers here you got the guerrilla army here you don't got your twitter followers here you don't get to suck my cock here and then talk shit about me on twitter

sat here and let you go off for like five let me go ofk let me do anything it's talk over me dod what what ok can talk talk you wounded youq talk

ok

when you say that the party is

revisionist that the are sellouts that they don't

accomplish anything

what do you are you saying that we

don't accomplish anything

you have never gone close

to winning a significant portion of the canadian working class

keep mym no communist party in the west the west has

because their tradors revisionists and sell out the working class because the tradors a visionists and sellouts and infrared is saying storm the headquarters is what i'm saying storm the headquarters storm the headquarters so and our cultural revolution came too late and now we're starting it

all right

nw

you don't think my people are in the communist party of america

they are hey you don't think my people are in your fucking party

they know they are and oh they are oh they are

i know them personally

sir

yes they are s and they're plotting and planning q q q they're plotting and planning

in your party you don't even know the fock they are

yes

your party will be our party

your party will not be led by the people leading it

for very long

o

so you tradors revisionists and professional managerials ok but have had your fun for decades being serious being serious like i'm i'm

entertaining you as far as i can yeah we're

not on this to have a conversation about whether the truckers were a working class movement or not which they are also is the party is doing in regards to the man freedom convoy is a working class movement

and i'm saying to you know it isn't and i'm and you you fail to you but you found that forty three percent of independent

owners

yes

hire other people or have other trucks eighty percent

oh

truckers currently operating on canadian roads so of the about three hundred thirty thousand truckers on canadian roads

ok

eighty percent of them

ar

company drivers

does that include people misc else does that include people misclassified

as operator owners

forced to do so by their competence eighty percent of them eighty percent are you aware of the phenomena when i say purivers i mean salaried employee ok

are you aware of the phenomena of misclassification of owner operators who are forced to list their l are owner operators

are answer the question are you aware of the phenomena owner operators three hundred

ok

what do you mean misclassification there's about twenty percent of them because you don't know about this you don't even know about this because business owners will force their employees to list them on their l l cs that their independent business owners

o i'm the'll be listed as owner operators but they're not youre ely in this conversation that i have family members or truckers i explain to yous one of the first things that i saw some of those people who are being listed as owner operators aren't right

but

some of the people who are being listed as owning those trucks don't they're forced to list that way by their company ok so so let me do the same thing

how many what percentage of those are misclassified us

i don't know

i just know it's a very widespread phenomena if you do all i know i listen i could probably try to look up statistics talk about it so for i do know because what i do know it's a very widespread phenomenon what we know going from what we know the information that is available to both of us going from what we know about eight percent of them are company drivers thether twenty percent of ok or those company drivers have the choice to protest

sure

how everybody has sort the company sorry that the company drivers have a choice to protest i mean they could if they want to generally they're probably not you know where they is i they have a choice really where are they a cup what will happen to them if they protest

i mean their owners shd probably be happy if they joined the protest but they're not they have their owners will be happy when the association of owners and employers is came out against it

the canadian

truckers association came out against this

so why would the owners be happy

the canadian trucking alliance came out against the protest there are still owners that have supported the protest but the alliance itself says no our truckers are vaccinated and we're ok with the man and those are the employers eightyn between eighty seven and ninety percent of all truckers in canada are vaccinated so here's that's according to the c t a i have no reason to believe them

ok sure

the that's the association of bosses and employers why the fuck would you rely on them as an authority

you are talking about the owners would probably be happy that they're protesting getting that information from why would the oners be happy to protesting you are the majority of owners behind the protess do you think it's in their interests to lie and then say we do not support the protests and we support the mandates when secretly supporting like i'm not sure where you're going with this because because here's the truth

the c t a represents the corporate monopoly represented don't interrupt they represent the corporate monopoly trucker companies you have no you have no information or proof that they're lying so we can go by the best of it yeah because they have an interest to be against they have an interest to be against and n they have an interest

they have an interest to lie have an interest to lie they do have an interest to lie you know where significant the highest concentration of trucking companies in canada do you know where it's located

no

ok so the highest concentration of trucking companies is located in peel region

you know what the vaccination uptick rate is in pel region

whats about

there's roughly two thousand trucking companies in the peel region

right ok accounting for a significant portion of drivers and the vaccination uptake rate in appeal region is

do ninety percent

ok so so is that is that going to reflect among the truckers we don't know all i know is the c t a does have a fucking incentive to lie about it concentr the highest concentration of these companies exists in this one region that is ninety percent you are playing with statistics what does that mean highest concentration why are you saying sixty percent exist in that region is repres if the region is is highly representative of what the

industry looks like why would they lie and this the highest concentration doesn't mean it's representative

first of all you don't know what statistics you don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to statistics i literally study you haven't provided any information though i don'teed i don't say i don't even need to degrade myself gven you to information i don't have to degrade myself with any statistics right now youre and given because just going off of what you are talking save and actually provided me anything

and you're saying this is wrong and i don't believe it because

reasons but you haven't provided me anything

guess whats q i okay ho how many guess what how many hows how many

house how many actual

ti beits of information that you provided i'll provide you right now

one third of owner operators say they've owned more than one truck at some point

less than have

owned more than two

only ten percent own more than one truck at the time of the survey

fifty six percent

owned two eight per cent owned more than six

twelve per cent own three to four twenty four percent own five to six among those who do own

more than one and among those it's not forty three per cent according to my

source

it's one third that's my statistic

okay

oll mine says forty three so yours is wrong and mine is right

ok so somewe mine has more information mine actually breaks it down more between so mine says forty three yoursys one third

ok so mine mine actually breaks it downf fifty six percent on fifty six percent of that one third

right

have only ever owned two trucks

and what i actually think that means

isn't that they own them simultaneously

i don't actually even think it means they own them simultaneously it means they've own t trucks in their lifetime

you got the statistics wrong it doesn't say simultaneous ownership of two trucks

okay

that's they've owned it in their lifetime so it doesn't even mean forty three percent

i hiring others us verss one third

yeah

on more than one trucket at the same time no ind so no no it doesn't i know it doesn't know it doesn't no it doesn't no it doesn't i don't i'm just listening to you i'm only listening to what i just said what you're at some point

at some point which means it wasn't simultaneous they've owned more than two trucks in their life

ok

it's not simultaneous that's why only ten percent of respondents

own more than one truck at the timet listen at the time of the survey only ten percent of canadian truck or owner operators only ten percent

owned more than one at the time of their survey

i'm asking you your sore says out of canadian truck owner operators

fadian righte

yes

canadian ok so

the canadian yoursurces out of canadian trucko owner operators

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one third or more than one truck

at one point

ca

not as of the time the survey was taken in which case only ten percent

owned more than one

wow

either

there was a stark class degradation where they lost a bunch of money they can't afford it

or what it's referring to is how much you've owned in total

so either one is likely to me

but it's clear that its the time the survey was takens like what's like what's likely to me is that wen hold on a second ok so we're first of all ress go i'll have a look at it too but

's in my fact checking it's in fact checking

ok

it's in where

fact checking

this was a survey by the mac blackwell this moe

yes mac blackwell rule transportation center

pumpu pum pum pum pump hang on a second

so i won n

on our own prisoner

multiple trunck ownership

do

first of all this is not a canadian source second this is from two thousand and twelve

when ok so what do you think something radically changed since then

this is fromw this is from ten years ago and it's not a canadian source

so what

so it's not relevant

yes it is relevant

you can this is an american source dude

is it about canada or not

this where did the protest happen

in canada

so why would you give me an american source from two thousand and twelve

an american source on canada

no it's not on canada doesn't say anything about canadaan here

ok well this is what my people have given me so we don't know

sure i mean your people can give you that but it has no relevance to what ca happening here but it does call into question

a lot of questions like

do they own more

than to simultaneously ok this is whathy this is what is confusing i me give me your source i gave you my source i give you my source give me yours

i give you mine you give me yours

two thousand and twelve wasn't even that long ago

it was

that was ten years ago dude

and it was so in america

like

can you link me your source since i gave you mine

im

loking it up again

because this this was like an hour ago in our conversation

oh yeah

and you think this is a w don't you by the way

i don't think it's anything i just think you just ask me a a random source i just gave you one

it has nothing to do with the fucking arguments we just had not it fucking destroyed what i asked you about fucking destroyed you know it

this

you gave me a ten year old source that wasn't even in this country

yeah and that source actually raises more questions w i said that source raises more questions i sa at the time your survey was taken how many did they own i want to see your source this was two thousand and i want to see your source t doesn'd and twenty or two thousand and onineteusen when ok give me your source where is it

right

put it in fact checking where is your source we're still waiting for your source

it's the it raises many questions

yeah

from three years ago before the pandemic too

this was before the fucking pandemic

by the way doesn't

yeah it does matter you don't think the pandemic changed all this yar

what matters is the fact that it's in canada and it's relatively recent

o it happened before this pandemic eve it all you want but the fat it happened before the fucking pandemic

alright

do you think do you think yeah yeah and also even if it's from arkansas on one one one i'm going even push back even more the fact that it's from the fact that it's from an arkansas the fact it's from an arkansas source doesn't even change the class nature of owner operators being the same in america as they as it is in canada so it's not even fucking relevant even you pointed out

that this is why it raises questions cew because one third of those people

we're the same as the forty three per cent you gave me so it's seems like it's the same class with the same tendencies both in canada and america

thirty three per cent forty three per cent more or less in the same ballpark as you yourself fucking said and that same source said even that though that was the case only ten per cent at the time the survey was taken had more than two at the time so i want to know that calls into questions how many in your source was it ten per cent also in your source

and your old sourse ok but but you yourself recognized

that forty three percent

as a portion you questions is very similar to thirty three percent

all right

so

we actually have to see

it opens more questions

what is meant by saying

two

trux what does actually meant by that

does it mean at the time the survey was taken

and where is your source i still don't have it

hang on a second i got to

there's one

uh i d a from the two thousand and nineteen member profile survey and then

there we go

trucking industry in canada dossier key figures

just lincoln you holy fuck i took two seconds for me to give it to you it's right there talking in someing canada ok walk out dude irrelevant part and then hold up hold up the dossier is right

here what is the relevant part that you cited got to link you to the pd go look through it for your own fucking sof dud you cite this is what i had to do you go ahead and do the same damn thing

what did you are you scared to reveal the fauking truth what did you faulking sight

okay

i'm not reading through this is again for you dude

so i gave you mine you won't give me your right the information look at look at scarity you are you a scarity c what's wrong information scarity c what's wrong why are you so scared of the truth

there are no reliable statistics on the number of owner operators in canada

with estimates ranging anywhere from thirty five thousand to sixty thousand the fact that there is no real definition of an owner operator complicates the matter

holy shit that's truck news in canada is saying that

sounds kind of like you're hiding something cu

sounds like you're hiding the source

sounds kind of like the source is right there in your fact check the sounds like you're not even fucking giving me any about ownershivee

y this is what he gave me gys look at what he gave me literally nothing he gave me nothing

not only did i give you the source it's right there dude you can download it as a p d f it is realt there i gave you the link to the p d f file on on this is something volc just gave me i want to look at this

sure

the maj the average canadian owner operator owns approximately one truck and one trailer

which the regular price ok

one truck

we truck so this is a source i have

are there any specific statistics the average amount

that someone gave let's see if they actually break it down in numbers

so this source says the average amount owns one truck

k the average canadian owner operator

only owns one which is the same shit i fuckin said

but it's not specific enough

let's look at our source

thousand

so if there are less than half of people

that own multiple trucks and he guyst senor look at what you noo hold a hold of simple skies look at what he gave me simple stats simple stats look a he wants me to pay for four hundred ninety five dollars look at what he gave me mo

guys look at what he gave me

sp styes he gave me something that's four hundred and ninety five dollars q what the fuck are you hiding

oka would you

would you like me to download the p d f and scan it and send it to you

did you pay four hundred ninety five dollars for this no no i didn't pay for that how did you access this

if you like me to tell you one stream

you can access just about anything

okay

if you if you know the right sources to plug them into you can access just about any

okay

i

so

all fire efforts

what

i'm just i mean i'm ser i don't care if you bite or not i'm looking right at it but

the average if you sae that the average

a

if the purchase doesn't go through average on the purchase doesn't go through a truck and one trailer

but less than half of them own multiple

does it not senseor reason that the average would still be one truck and one trailer

what

then he sey it again

if

forty odd percent of people or more than one vehicle but more than half

own one truck and one trailer would it non sense to reason that the average

person owns one truck and one trailer

i don't think that's how averages work sixty percent is the average

it depends on how much trucks the forty three percent own we don't know that

so general by the way the your purchase doesn't work

what a you mean

your way of buying that doesn't work

men wear bying white

the the thing that was four hundred dollars

i didn't pay for it

anyway

the

it's not it's not available anywhere

i didn't pay for a it is still available

no it's not

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that that place is not of it that place is a

it's not on the place

you go

it's not the included

what are you talking about

you uied

alright

you can still act you can still you can

is this what it is

so your statistics are called into question they're not even reliable statistics because no one can see them

i just don't care i really at this po you don't fix our bullshit and no one want to s in the morning i'm fucking tired i don't care dude i really don't care so you so you're soy cedaring out

conceding

i'm what

i just don't care w to call sam cedter

i don't care anyore so you cancede the don't

dude i don't give a shit which one i don't care i really do not care listen

when your mom asked me to come on and have this conversation so it's a soy conceder amosre not going to be yelling at we have a sam conceder you've been yelling and trying to pre yah so this is a samle conceder the last cup so so hold on we just got a sam i can just dude i don't you don't care right hair i do' when you wh why couldn't i say i don't care when i asked you when you ask me for my source many times in this conversation have you had i not given you my source

had i not hold on had i not given you it hold on wt that i don't had i not given you my source you would have been able to find out any flaws

had i given you my source

i would not have been able to give you

my my you would have been able to point out any flaws you're not giving me your source

i just gave you the information ok i gave you wing to the information that i had if you want to go ahead and like pull it up that's completely fine i can't pay you know you know it's good it's good it's fine it's fineingin go findanther one but at this point yeah i find another re

i don't care if you care not

you but if you want to win the argument you actually do have to care i don't care about winning an argument is

listen your mot asked me to come on and talk about whther you know whether this is a working we don't know if forty three percent you don't even know forty three percent of the people that ha organized a protest and all that i said sure i'm happy to come talk about this so you're so things that remain veing is ok things that remain onven it's unproven that those five people every time i open my mouth when you ask me a question you talk over me and unven hold on

it's re sure sure how to have it's but it's on so it's unven irritating and exhausting like you're talking like

you're talking like a dod to five five really

but yeah yeah talking like somebody that does not know how to com have a conversation y yeah to i have conversations with people who don't talk shoit about me on twitterop you have conversations like with peopleo't talk shu about me on twitter it's just

you know you don't get to talk sort about me on twitter after you don't get to talk sort about me on twitter and expect me not to bring the heat on you listen i don't give a shit you're like why we i don't care if youre fucking

think you want or not

what what i did talk about

whaten i do not this is a working class protest i'm saying to you

which it isn't

and why not why isn't it

by din't of the fact that eighty percent of people that drive trucks in this country are company employees and you haven't concerned themse yourself with any of them whatso i haven't g and can they and t thousand and they pro in the united states side of the border and can't get into caknada you haven't talked about that at all tells o work you're not concerned what you're not concerned with the starving workers of petro grad you bolsheviks don't

a fucking bullshit now tell me something you now tell me something you god because i was the lwcae you're making every in of revolutionary argument in history you're making every un of revolutionary history to the eighty percent

do they have a choice to protest

what happens if they protest

the vulnerable eighty percent

who are often migrants who often are not even citizens can they protest do you know that there's over two thousand of them that cannot get into canada right now because they're being blocted by their truckers that are st it's an inconvenience of every thzings are sleeping in their trucks because they can't get back int and guess what revolutions are unpleasant affairs and a lot of people get negatively affected revolution is what i'm trying to exp it is it is an uprising of some kind

and

so that you'r fucking moralistic personalized bullshit argument means fucx not so i like to think of things in terms of politics and not the personal misfortunes that thefore you went you ok how many people violence of blacklives matter about the violence of black lives matterired cities were destroyed during the violence and black lives matter yeah

to what about all the people whose livelihoods were destroyed

do you ever get tired like

so do you know you denounce black lives matterus to have this convers you denounce black lives matter protests

what

you dowce what is it to do with because they did lead to a lot of havoc in destruction in cities of

people's livelihoods and shit

you don't care about those people who are badly affected by black lie's matter and violence

his

you don't care about the people badly affected by the protests there

it was

are plenty of people

but there was a lot of violence plenty of people were assaulted

plenty of people had

yeah a lot of people were beaten up like a lot of shops black owned shops were torched and destroyed and broken into a lot of like o shops were torched you don't care about any of them

i don't say that

well what what di i say that what does that mean we should denounce the protest then

because of all the people negatively affected

is it you're destroying people's shops black owned shops then yeah they should be denounced were they so the whole protest should be denounced because of that george floyd doesn't matter because of that

i didn't say that did

so how can you can't you can't denounce an entire thing because some people that are negatively affected by it did any point that i den was this protest

the the truck

you know you're actually going to surrender so hard you're going to backtrack on your original position and announce the and not and not nounce the pro a protest in the first place

you saying you never denounced the trucker convoy protest

when did i do that

it's so suddenly it's not he sent me a fucking video of a guy talking about the great replacement saying he's not my comrade

go

they said that the people who organize the protest are not my comrades and i showed you a picture ok on but you are denouncing the protest

you are saying the protest a protest because let's do the math it's not working class it's wealthy how many oh my god it's wealthy privilege how many how many times have i said in the last several days that everybody has a right to exercise protest

what did you say after that

did i say that they were agree with the fact the running air hoorns all night no that's beh yeah it's like what do they have to listen just yes i like the black lives matter protesters but they're just taking it too far

i

what

that's how you sound right now

is that what i said

yeah i mean i don't i don't mind people's right to protest but the horns come on it's getting into my beauty sweep

jusme as just same as d as just the same as during the uprising when people were smashing up black owned shops

like small business owner shops

i said the exact same thing

there's absolutely no reason we if you're going to go smash up a shop and you smash up a target i don't give a shit

if you smash up somebodi is convenience store yeah that's a fucking problem and you shouldn't do ok so so you that from the very begin let's get back to the original point let's get back to the original point you're talking about two thousand people negatively affected that i don't supposedly care about

is it that i don't care about them or is it in an inconvenient side effect of something much more

important and fundamental not finally to

eighty percent effect eighty percent of those protesters i'm sorry eighty percent of those truckers

have no fucking choice they can't protest or they get fucking fired or deported

they are absolutely vulnerable a the mercy theirreders and vaccinated what is there for them to protest

they had no choice to get vaccinated

they but they did they want to get vaccinated

i mean i don't know if you asked them why was it mandated then why whre did they have to be forced on bond of getting fired

to the people that actually can remain this is this is the logic of killing this is your logic what you're saying is asking me question you're saying you're saying you're saying there's a there's a let's say let's say someone let's say someone invades a country let's say someone invades a country let's you know what it's like it's like it's like what israel it's it's like what israel goes into palestine it's like it's like if israel goes into palestine

and they round up all of the people who can't defend themselves women and children and then the men who are too privileged enough to be able to fight back they're too privileged they don't care about the women and children

why is hamas using human shields hamas is using human shields that's how you fucking sound it's fucking stupid

how many people were vaccinated last november

do what is a fucking hobby what percentage matters because what percentage was based on that mandates what percentage what percentage had itpnd is the mandate didn't begin until this year

and nineteencent of them overnight is oh really there was no employer mandates there was no employer mandate eighty seven percent of people were vaccinated prior to the announcement

hey guess what

there was no mandate at all based on the employer's

the one for the federal government no there was no mandate yet

not from the federal government quincy not from the federal government but from the private companies

the private caup

ok when were talk about private or employer mandates we're talking about mandates we're talking about government mandates no we're talking about all mandates which began in twenty nineteen

okay

what

what men all mandys for what

i sorry began in twenty twenty

recovered

yes

how could a mandate begin for covid to get vaccinated when the vaccines weren't available

and late twenty twenty

the vaccines weren't available here

in canada they weren't available in late late twentian twenty people that mass vaccination drive for people that were from like eighteen to forty wasn't until around april of last year so what are you talking about

ok

as of april of last year

mm

man started

no the mandate didn't start then that's when pce started out last year after the vaccines rolled out

employ employers started to force

their employees to go a they didn't yes they did it wasn't just from the fucking government

alright

according to what

according to what

what you mean yeah december december ninth twenty twenty

canada authorized the first cover one thousand vaccine so i was right

no yet twenty twenty one is when the vaccine mandate started exactly no yes ok unless you were working in the health care industry if you were eighteen years old or over you were able to get the vaccine until somewhere around april you know why because i was one of the first in my like

in my family to get roll out was late like on to sas it was your facts are ok canada

vaccine

and

the mandates

weren't on a provincial level until somewhere around like i forget was last day so this is the actual statistics

so you can look on my stream at these statistics

on december tenth

there was thousands of doses administrated

itre was thirty thousand by january thirteenth

and then by february twenty fifth there was fifty eight thousand

and thenk steadily and march there was one hundred forty eight thousand doses ho many

and what you're saying is bullshit

haws how many people live in canada dude

how many people live in canada

but hold on by jillan

thirty five million ok talking about like a fraction of a percent dude why jud

no i'm not becuse this is every single day

thousands of

this is seventy three thousand and march sixth

and then march seventh it's like seventy thousand so it's every single day

and then

in april there's not even any statistical significance of april

s

in fact there's a dip

some time here

well this is may first

but there's no statistical significance of april whatsoever there's a continuous

increase it's completely arbage why would you say it began in april that's wrong

oh

i answer

how can there have been

doses administrated as early as december to schedule there for as early as december

f those are there go ok so was n aprils actually may as of eight a m tuesday eighteen twenty twenty one individuals age eighteen re over and twenty twenty was it may

quincy it was not wins later that i said it was later it was i quincy no it wasn't

this is december twenty first looking at the announcement right now

quincy then your announcement needs to ca i live in ontario i'm tellin sy it was a quincy quincy i don't care what you did

twinsey january sixteenth thirty seven thousand do doses

then

it didn't become available for people eighteen or over until may of last year so you were all children

what

no it was even available for children yet it was available for people who worked in the health care industry so how are all these people taking it in february and january in march nable for the immun know compromise the elderly and people who worked in health care

so these were all the immuno compromised the elderly and

who else people working health careyeah that was all these people

there had to be special circumstances for you to get access to the vaccine they were n why isn't there a statistically significant jump after may it's continuous increase no or care i'm telling you would you like me to

your fox is orw the link which your fo

use you' alk right here there you go go looking

there you go all look

thank

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you

quincy episode

vaccine booking is expanding to onarians eighteen plus ahead of schedule

yes

robins invites all adults to schedule their first dose appointment

yes so this is all adults

yes

it wasn't available to anybody besides the health care workers the uno in ontario quincy

oka and

youre not all of canada

jesus christ ok so one is available in the rest of the provinces i give you one give me the rest

it's right here it's very clear

all right let's go and have a look at qebec because ontario is the most popular i lok it right here here you go this is the cob nineteusen tracker

all right

why are even talking about this day

no so no like why were we talking about this because the vaccine mandates oh here we go april

what di to do

so quebec opening

on may the third

why did you think ontario is the same as the rest of the country

when quebec that quebec got theirs on may the third let's have a look at

british columbia

all right

ts some may twenty join one

soon as he returned

then how do you allin my it's almost like

just about every province made the

first vaccine thugse available to

the broad

population over eighteen around may of twenty twenty one

even la there's no statistically significant johb i don't go ss administrat that's what it was i literally gave you

i literally gave you a link to the provinces website and if you'd like me to give you well it's interesting because the wt ns columbia i can do that there's no wyink we knowsere the mlt provinces in the country

there's no statistically significant i don't know care

alberta vaccine

youre you're you're you're literally saying to me that because you can't find something that disproves the fact that

our provinces literally said hey this is when the f i is availabley fine over thing that says that

okay what did you find

i've found that there's no statistically significant jump

after may i don't care

i do not care so that's all they were source and simply when they were available i do not care what your statistics says that's when they were available

so all the other people all the other people all the other people were all so ok just to be clear then all these people must have been the elderly health care workers

and the immunal compromis

sure

rman first nations by yesher

ok well that's just what we have to assume apparently

but which doesn't seem

what is the alternative what is the alternative like all the provinces were lying about when the dose is available

i just want to see your sourl

for all the funcking provinces

i just gave you one for ontario i'll pull up the one and give you the news report for alberta

oh okay alright alberta

first

those

vaccine

another source that's not showing a statistically significant increase

right here

you are right now looking

you are right so here's here's

march april and then may begins right here ares may right now looking at the government of ontario's

i

first released saying that this is when we can get the first dose

if you're eighteen or older you're looking at it right now

because i put it in here

but i'm not det im looking at

a completely dient ws

it's available you can go look at it then

is there

i

again let me let me read that again

ontario

expanding to ontarians eighteen plus out of schedule

the pace of ontario's vaccine roull continues to accelerate

wait

on on this is weird

it said

the vaccine rollout had continued to accelerate by that time

re

so it is extending booking eligibility

at mass immunization clinics

it sounds like the government was just extending booking eligibility not

it's not when the vaccines first started to roll out is just when it decided to extend the booking eligibility

was met first made available older ating working x and that's why agans eighteen or older ok

so

so this is everyone else you know the b be force for example extending booking of eligibility means that you can be eligible to book

meaning that the there was a group that is eligible to book

and if you were outside of that eligibility window you could not book

well now you can book but as long a you ne you older q so this is how you take the fucking el

because on may twelfth

first dose am the provinceenty hod on q read this it's from your tucking source

the province achieved a significant milestone on may twelfth

having administrated first stoves

wh over half of all ontarians aged eighteen and over

yeah

may twelfth

alright

and this is may seventeenth

okay

so five days before over half of all ontarians aged eighteen and over

here

so receive the first look at have a look at this next thing th about the sent you remember how i said no we're focusing on this

because yeah it turns out the statistically

a insignificant increase did mean something now didn't it

mm

he had to live in one of these communities to get

the booking and if you didn't then you couldn't get it

ok within hows itll sos you couldn't get it those communities compromise half ok and one of those postal so are all are all are all

a have i said at the very beginning of this i said the very beginning

when eighteen and older blanket eligibility was in on this date remember i said that yeah

that's what had happened

because you were making a point that this was when the vaccine was rolled out by this time

re eligible groups before that yes were those eligible groups the majority yes so it's not fucking what's the relevancy what's the relevancy here

what is the relevancy you're the one i asked me because the whole point was

were the vaccines being rolled out

before may yes they falkon were

i told you not just to a minority no you din you said it was only a mont no no what you said said first nations

health care workers and the elderly isn't that what youe said

sure ya

so how does it happen n hey i for hey i forgot about the hot spots

how does it happen that may twelfth forgot what the hospots may call on ho on

but half of all ontarians aged eighteen and over received it by may twelfth

ok sure

so how does it so are half of voluntary in pers nation available in twenty twenty and i give you a closer timeline

ok but it was available in two thousand and twenty that's the fucking point no yes it was it was available after december tenth

sre

to everybody in canada it was blanket available everybody get it you sure but it was avent it started to become available after december

and if you worked in healthcare you had to get it

as soon as they fuck and droped

as soon as they released it you had to

sure

ok which means

we were talking we were talking about we were talking about trucker mandates yes we're saying which means you

you were saying that the trucker mandates began in twenty twenty and i said no he did i says mandates in general

began as soon as the vaccine started to roll out

ok

it's exactly what i fucking said

that privately mandated vaccine mandates preceded the government mandates twenty twenty two there

i was talking about government mandates in the first place and i said be impossible to me and then i said and also quincy i also said quincy quincy i also said it includes private mandates like

stop stop being stupid why your name is quincy is it not

now my name's

my name is q wen se of all

ok so second of

sow trying to get on my nerves

second of all the mandates were not

enforced until after the majority of canadians had been vaccinated and because there was a limited rollout of the vaccines based on your age your immune compromised status

the industry you work and here is the point you were and theg employer and one thing that i forgot which was if you happen to live in a coldd hot spot if you live outside of those postal cos you could not get access to the vaccines so if you want to book

and you didn't live on those postal codes you simply could not book

the yeah you didn't mention a lot of shit so you took the so all of them except for one except t except one which you said was already hospitalized into the postal cod postal code should not be in a hotspot those are very significant did i not say i said health care workers i said the elderly them a compromis in adigenous communities yeat you didn't say but you didn't mention tho you didn't say mention

covert hotspots or hospitalization point your favor forgot about the hot forgot about the thing that accounted for majority of people government things accounted for the majority of people that got the fucking vaccine th two things accounted for the majority quincy i have i have

what you miss i have two kids age four years old that spend a lot of time healing when they get home i don'tan i don't fukn give a shit quincy quincy can

you can't hide your chin you cannot hide your chin with that sol strap hey that so patch doesn't hide your chin don't talk about kids here

anyway

dude my chin is stronger than yours oh reallybut really

um

no it's not fk you get that chin is stronger than mine mandates did not come into effect until after the majority of the population were vaccinated which didn't happen until after everybody was eligible to get the fact yet quincy

the point is

by the time eighty nine percent of people were vaccinated oz anyway you know w keep call me that by the nine by the time eighty nine percent of people were vaccinated

how much of that was voluntary because there's also private mandates which was my falking point

oh yeahh who's privately mandating

vaccines ok let's look it up

and i am i'm curious who is privately mandating vaccines

you don't know about the private mandates the corporate company private mandates that existed before government mandates

oh i'm aware that some companies were uh requiring their so why are you backtracking i

i'm not backtracking anything i just want to know if you know i know that there are companies that required their employees to be vaccinated

what i'm saying is the federal

mandy yeah but but but a big reason you a big reason why people

do you want to hear yourself talk or did you ask me a question because you want to know the answer

quincy because a big reason why eighty nine percent of people were already vaccinated was because they were forced to want hear talk or because you want to hear an answer how many were voluntarily vaccinated as questions because you want to hear an answer because you want to hear yourself talk answer that question answer that you should hear

answer that question

i keep try to answer your questions ll over me what question you asking me now you've asked me like two in the last thre how much of the eighty nine percent do you think voluntarily took the vaccine

i haven't answered the first question was was which was how many what percentage of those people

were vaccinated prior to the federal government no that's not in dispute that's not i didn't ask you that fucking question it's not even in dispute

we know eighty nine percent eighty nine percent were vaccinated before the federal mandates in the first because

that the private mandates existed before the federal ones keep up quincy keep up quincy

we were talking about federal mandates again no weren't i lily said butfre federal mandates there are private mandates and i literally called you quincy for the first time i remember

i know it's a cooler name they has yeah fucking reun the fucking fod quincy right you keep talking about the fucking

federal mandates

after percent it's not even in fact in dispute the reason we're talking about federal mandates is because that's why people can't get back into canada in the first place that's why those two thousand people are stuck you were trying to make this point by the time of the federal mandates eighty nine percent weresederal mandates why are they in ottawa and not at their boss's office

what they're for a reason right they're protesting federal men because i didn't say the truckers were forced to get vaccinated quincy that's not what i said

i said quincy literally it was this you said there was a majority of concentration in this province eighty percent or whatever and i said what does what does that say about the amount of truckers was vaccinated the highest concentration of trucking companies in the region that had the highest concentration of trucking companies

close than eineighty percent of the people are vaccinated

is what i said ok and you don't know how many truckers are vaccinated

well according to the c t a eighty seven according to the fucking lying c t a fake news c t mean if you have any information to the contrary no that's actually that's actually not how evidence works quincy if i pull something out of my fucking ass

and you say well i'm going to i'm going to how about i sit in my hand and mail it to you that's my a you don't have anything else quincy listen there are aliens there's as you know there are aliens quincy quincy as far as that's correct

there's aliens in your backyard there's aliens in your backyard my evidence quincy there are aliens in your backyard my evidence is that i'm going to shit in my hand and send it to you and if you don't have any evidence to the contrary you have to accept and submit to my evidence

ok sir is that how you think evidence works

pus

you don't have any information saying that it's not true

that the evidence work the burden of proof is on you quincy if i don't accept your source

okay yes

because if you provide a source i consider faulty if you provide a source that i consider faulty it's the burden of proof is not on me to find an alternative i'm skeptical that eighty seven percent doesn't mean i know how many are vaccinated doesn't mean i can i have to accept your source that eighty seven percent are to see it and if you don't that means as far as we know that that's it doesn't as far as we know we

know anything

we can just infer that it's unlikely

according to what

according to the fact that it's so fucking unpopular among truckers

according to you

these people are

mandating that their employees get vaccinated yet

not the truckers know

why are all the bosses mandating that their employees get vaccinated but not the truckers

then how are their employees able to because the only reason there was f or there used to get able to get south of the border and back if they're not vaccinated they have to have paperwork to do that

which employees

the same

employees that are driving back and forth across the border they have yeah proof seens to come back

so if the companies were lying why would they lie but then sensing people south of the border

with no ability to get back

then why would they be waiting to get back across the border

because there's no federal vaccine mandate now

ok

you just defeated your own point there's a federal vaccine mandate now i know there's a federal so they can't get across be they don't have a fat fking vaccine i would they send their employees south of the border with no ability to get back

then in that case why would they be lying about how many of them because they're lying about it to de legitimize the fucking convoy quincy that's the only reason the're lot saying that shit lying at there sending people south of the border thaty can't get back

the cta is lying to delegitimize the trucker the fucking freedom convoy

in

why would they send people south of the border with no ability to return

if the which be employes which me same employees

the same people that are stuck waiting to get back whath do you think they work for

they work for trucking companies yeah

that have business south of the border yeah it would be in their best interest to have their employees vaccinated so they can get back across the border yes it would would the like

but their employees are not vaccinated

if they weren't vaccinated why are they south of the border

they sa why can't they get back

why would they send them to the united states and they can't come back if they need to bring parcels back

in their trucks

they

can't come back because they're not vaccinated the come back because they're stuck at the boot the coos border crossing because they were at their owner operators blocking them from coming and also because they're not vaccinated

no they can come back dude that's why they were there in the first place why would you go

south of the border knowing you can't come back

if you knew since last year that there was a mandate coming into effect

it was for those people who were probably forced by their employers to get it then

so that which then raises the question why would they lie about how many employees are vaccinated knowing that the people that they are have working for them need to be vactae eighty seven percent

is way more than eighty to be because eighty seven percent is because eight by your own statistics eighty percent are not ok let's talk about let's talk about material interest if this company's material interest depend on people being able to cross the border freely

why would you lie about how many of your employees can cross the border freely

knowing because quincy they claimed that eighty seven sut the fuck up for a second they claimed eighty seven percent only eight percent work for them at even because that's just the cn know how many the c t a employees as aportion and they went in said eighty seven percent of all truckers are vaccinated we the factd they get that from they only employee a fucking swt smaller percentage of the total work

forus that's the fucking point quincy

okay

who belongs to the cain trucking alliance

not all of them

not every company belongs to canadian trucking alliance who is eligible for membership in the canadian trucking alliance

all employers are eligible

and

and in operators

that doesn't mean they've joined it

it doesn't mean they've joined it

you think that zero percent of owner operators belong to the canady trucking lot no

i think

not all truckers are in that fucking alliance

ture i didn't say that there were

ok so what right does that alliance have to say that eighty percent of all trucks eighty seven percent of all truckers are vaccinated where did they get that from

probably from their members statistics but their members statistics are not representative of all truckers

but knowing that

the

companies

the own fleets have to be part of it

and knowing that a significant have to

yeah

all companies that own fleets have to be part of the canadian trucker alliance

the canadian trucking alliance is composed of those companies all of them

even the small ones

the small ones like what the owner operators are like

the ones that you not every trucking company belongs to the c t a truck not every fucking trucking company belongs to the c a

not every single one

a vast majority of companies in canada that operate belong to the commun where you getting that information oht because i'm not truckers to come truckers gave me this thisi stics then tell me to sists

do the truckers that i know belong to the canadian trucking a lint where did you get this data

what a

i have a guy in my chest saying the c t a doesn't do shit except you send you a fucking magazine in the mail

that's all they or they i'm not talking about what they do whether they're affect how do you know the majority are in the c t a i talk

why did you say all fleets have to be in the c t a

i'm not talking about whether they're an effective agency first you said on quincy first you said all of them have to be in the c t a and then you said most of them are in the c t a where are you getting this information from and how can i know it's trustworthy

ok what i'm trying to explain to you this that the tracking alliance is composed of

these ok just like if you for example if you're a dentist right

you're part of the canadian dental association by virtue of the fact that you

generally are a dentist and the c d a is composed of dentists what i'm trying to say

the c t a is okposed of these yees it's composed of a fraction of trukers what' trying to say is that it's not a com

uholstery thing for like it's not the c t a is a separate entity that in order to be a tricker you have to be a part of it what i'm saying is that's what you said this mo

what no what i'm saying is the said all fleets have to be a part of it

i'm saying by virtue of the fact that they are

mass employers they are part of the c t a because the c t a represents these mass employers not all of them

i mean sure the vest ok so the c t a is in no position to claim

that's eighty eighty seven percent of truckers

are vaccinated

just because

of the constituent companies within the c t a

because those do not encompass one hundred percent of truckers they're saying eighty seven percent of one hundred percent of truckers are vaccinated

sure

he's just a conceder that's all you do is concede you waste my time and then concede why did you waste my time then if you're just going to concede

so why waste my time

do you know who the c t a is like who are actually the c t a like

establishment sh shares of the establishment the monopolist in the government

the c c a is a conglomeration of the various provincial trucking associations which are themselves composed of those owner organizations

they're advocating for themselves

no the's a trucking bobby listen if it's yet it represents the monopolist it represents the companies that own truck fleets

ok so this is actually the data on this is the real data this is the real data we got the actual data we got breaking we just got the data breaking s is one hundred twenty ok

only about a third only about a third of truckers in canada are in the c t a the c t a estimates that eighty five per cent of its members were vaccinated but the c t a also encompasses owner operators and not just the people traveling south of the border through these company organizations so your argument is nil your argument is nil if you why would they lie

is because they're trying to do legitimize the fucking protest why would the lawy

to legitimize the protest

that's why

oh

and your point about sending them south of the border

means nothing

because

the c t a is not sending everyone south of the border it's as simple as that alking loudan me doesn't actually mean that you are saying shit you didn't even know what the c t was til i just n didn't i fuckinged i'm the one who told you about the c t a dumb ass

i'm the one who fuck and brought it up to you

yes

when wen did one did bring in the very beginning of this shit when i said the c t a which is an employer's organization

why don't you fuck in just roll back the vad quincy

i listen dude i'm trying to explain to you you didn't know yeah and we literally talked about it before you even joined the stream's video evidence

before you even joined this stream we were talking about it to you said hoe you said that they were the bosses or the elites or what are the fucking yes that i'm saying

the c t a is a conglomeration of various provincial trucking associations and there are a monopoly organization tied to the government

you want to know where i got that from your source quincy let's go and let's look it through it

let's go look through your source quincy you tet it at me quincy i'll read it right to you right

here's what your source says

the trucker convoy is not a workers revolt and this is literally adverbatim what it said

on the other hand as the business representative for the industry that is most engaged with the federal government

and bey the way that means it's a monopoly or association it understandably wants to maintain its access with to those with influence and power that is why it distanced itself

from the fucking protestscribing a lobby

which is what i said they were

it's a monopoly association of the business owners the bosses

en the owner the lobby is

ok

but you seem to have taken a you literally contested it when i fucking told you that

contest

dude ok what else frank leo's not look how he backtracks and conceede when i saw his own source so when i show him his own source asked me how they could know that eighty seven percent of people are vaccinated i said ok well that's not what they said you were you lied about what they even said they said eighty five percent of

its members they estimate

our vaccine

okay

that so you didn't even know what they were talking about eighty five percent of its members they estimate were vaccinated

okay

how did it come to that estimation

what what

weere's uch relesing the daylight here

how did it come to that estimation because eighty five percent that's less than forty percent of the total workforce

what

yes because only a third

of dri of drivers are part of the c

so eighty five percent of that

is

less than forty percent

okay

sre

so even according to the cta's high estimates

right

it's only a minority of the fucking trucks its members are vacinated sure

if we believe them

we don't even know where they got that from again again

why would they lie

because there could be a lot of owner operators within the c t a

we're not vaccinated and they say they're vaccinated anyway to delegitimize the protests

not all of them are employees

not all of them are employees of the walking company quic question how many of the canadian truck and companies right like out of all trucks on the road how what percentage of them

are doing cross border business like going across the border in back

i have no idea

july like to now

go ahead

spit it up

but a third

a third

y

a third of all canadas trucking companies are just the c t a there's about three no that's not what i said

uh there's about three hundred thirty is thousand

a truck is on the road at any point

yeah roughly

thank

so about one hundred twenty thusd about one hundred twenty thousand

go across the border and back

ok all truckers

by be

all truckers go across the border and back

it's all heard of all truckers

no dooto because there's

people there's truckers that travel interpventially theos truckers that travel internationally one third of all truckers travel internationally

sure yeah so i said roughly one third

are traveling internationally and the remainder are

a enter provincually

at any point right

ok so knowing that again knowing that to go back and forth across the boarder you have to be vaccinated

and you knowknw that the mandates were coming down the pike since last year

why would they lie about that

because eighty five percent of c t a s members

are not

going

south of the border

ok

w' the what

only a third of truckers are in the cta

a third of truckers in total go south of the border

but we can probably imagine that the c t a does not have eighty five percent of peop why would the c t a

disproportionately have so many people who go south to the border compared to the total trucking population

that seems like a lucky coincidence

if that was the case

i'm not following you

why would we have any reason to assume

that the proportion of people within the c t a who are one third of all truckers

is the is disproportionately more

going down the border

like to the point where it's eighty five percent as opposed to the one third of the total truckers you mentioned

i'm still not following you okay

one third of truckers are in the c t a yet

re

thank

of those

in the cta

why would we assume eighty five percent go south of the border when when it comes to the total amount of truckers in general

only a thirds eighty five percent go south of the border ok well that's what we were arguing about

why were we that's not what i said though

so

when you're saying why would they lie about eighty five percent because because eighty five percent are not going south of the border in the first place was why would they lie about the estimate knowing that

they have to have drivers going back andcause that material interest would only if you count i there we trucks that oh yyeah that material interest it's very simple quincy it's very simple sh

that material interest

would only account

were them reporting that forty percent

let's say

are vaccinated

the ones who they send south of the border

but after that they do have an incentive to lie

that sti doesn't make any sense to me

qincy incy you know that members are eighty five percent

of

thism the only way know what acu makes sense is if they're willing to trap people south of the border to prove

i'm not exactly sure what point

listen

are eighty five percent of the cta's members going south of the fucking border

roughly a third of all trucks are going south of the border a as to what this c t s members do i don't know and would would you think that it would be

is reasonable to infer that eighty five percent

or something around that drastically disproportionate amount compared to the total amount of truckers

is going down the border or should we assume

that there's probably not a disproportion inm i would assue i would assume that any i would assume that at any point in one's employment one may find themselves going south of the border on a long hale

but you just told me that only one third goes south of the border

i said that out of out of the three hundred o thousand about one hundred twenty thousand at any point are going back and forth across the border are doing international freight

like doing international long hauls

not everybody is travelling the exact same route at all times

o well you need to specify what you're trying to say

so what you're so how many actually do end up going south of the border

have you noticed that like everything that in this conversation

that we're

sort of filtering out and splitting hairs on

is stuff that i gave you

like

we're now but heres anyw

now we're splitting here is as to how many of them are actually traveling south of the border but you had no idea that

what percentage of them are going south of the border until i don't see you have people sending you shit

and you just said you have people sending me ud i'm talking to you myselfho like because you have people sending you shoitld i'm not even looking at my discord t i'm not even looking at my ds or my discord because i'm a man quinc i don't i don't i don't need to back me up quincy my hand or my facebro

what

who could possibly be sending me information and what could i be looking at but you're the one who said i'm always getting twitter d m s about this shit and information linked to me that's what you said earlier in the conversation

id white

yeah you said you were getting this shit linked to you in twitter m s you literally said that

when did i say that

and say earlier in the conversation you forgot chat anyone remember that like information linked to me about this convoy and about yes truckers and yah industry and so on yeh no

no you're lying beond that

does anyone remember him saying that

yeah people remember it's not just me

o i did say that

i would like to see it because that's not i've never said that people someone someone find the glip so we could show it to mk m s about

like

what we're talking about right now yeah

like literally in this and you only by the way quincy quincy love to be clear with you quincy the only shit i've been

quincy the only shit you've actually given me swet nothing but at this the only thing you actually did give me quincy was somethings that was behind a five hundred dollars paywall you didn't give me anything else

okay

was so i gave you the information about the tario vaccine mean ontario vaccinhich actually didn't support your point

oh my god the ontario vaccine rollt happened in late may and prior to that it was special cases you prior to that over fifty percent of people above the age of eight vaccine we you had to live in a hot you had to live in a hot zone which is the majority of the populationday soll

yh

so it's a moot point

that was did not help you in your favor at all

so you didn't give me shit quincy you're say it's good point because you're sitting here looking at some stats on this for which we're looking at saying well no that's not true like

yh was no i was showing it on stream and i links it in the discord

which show there was no statistically significant increase in vaccinations after the so called rollout in may which actually means something about the claims you're making

but the vaccines

and keep in mind originally what you fuck and said before backtracking a bunch was like

oh the vaccines whenly became available in ca

because you said they were only available in canada in hold up hold up actually i found the actual timeline here ok

so december twenty twenty till march twenty twenty one congregate living for seniors health care workers adults and first nations adult chronic home care recipients adults age eighty or older until march twenty twenty one

april till june adults age fift you are wrong you wrong i

so hey did i not say at the very beginning i said i remember it was around april and then i looked around said the very beginning i st was april i do remember that you said april y twenty twenty one to june twoentousand and twenty one adults age fifty five rolder higher risk congregate settings individual certain health conditions people who live in hospite communities those who cannot work from home

didn't hap until april

until march of twenty th you wgs traight allified under those you bago would you like

i said at the very beginning april didn't i

yeah yeah

for god

hey you are ook what it would you like to see the ontario vaccination rollu plan because is sitting right here in front of wast april

it is april and i will iill drop it in your it was not a and that's just ontario not ak have a look at this

go have it like thiss right the that's just ontario not all of canada and it wasn't o

so

who so

was that correct or was it not like

yesteray april didn't i

it was in april

your this includes

individuals certain health considus certain essential caregivers hold on wait

what our standard

quick su you spent like fifteen minutes arguing it had to be made because only after may was it eighteen was ok did you spent like fifteen minutes arguing it had to be made because only in may was anyone above

eighteen plus eligible you fuckin backtracking liar

you know walting backtracking liesbout you literally lied

you were saying december

we know it wasn't december yes we anuary yes it was december

that people were

like broadly eligible to get vaccine i didn't say broadly eligible

i did not say broadly eligible

d the vaccine came out in december so that's when they released it you were talking about mandates and i was talking about federal mandates and i said the federal mandates didn't begin until after people were brought and i said private mandates began in two thousand and twenty one i said the only

that existed was in the health care and i said in two thousand and twenty one there was a private mandates afterwards after the started rolling it out that's the argument i made

there was no mandates until it became broadly available and that wasn't and the first vaccine dose was available in april

no wasn't people weren't able to get the

it's recess right there in q q but you made the argument you spent twenty minutes arguing those that it had to have been may you words and it was rolled back to you you made a fok ton of ar you spent fifteen minutes arguing that it had to have been may

specifically because that when it became universally eligible to beeople eighteen and up in ontario so now you're backtracking and saying april because the hotspot communityes who cannot work from home soan essential caregivers honorable group until april and it didn't become broadly available until may

but it was broadly available in april by it wasn' a std bible april because you had to live in one of the hot spots

which is the majority of people live which is the majority oite of those postal codes you couldn't get it

but the majority of people were covered by th majority of people took price people ooked in the hotspots and here's the thingre and here's the thing q q here's the other thing too

even though this doesn't compass a broad majority

we don't even know what the ti this is april to june

so when did they say was this beginning in april that all of these were encompassed

or did they start giving it to hot spots in may or did they start giving essential caregivers

april and then in may was extended to everybody

ok

but only in july and when it was on on it was generally like that well but that's not what this says it says in july is whe all remaining eligible ontarians were had it avaibody because they extended it to ok this is what the plan phases were

was that in july everybody else was eligible was going to be able to get the vaccine

but it became extended to everybody in may of two thousand and twenty so what this is not a correct

summary of the events that actually hap was the original plan

that was the original so this isn't actually what happened then

no that is the original plan as ok so this isn't what happened

so this isn't what happens

ok

would you like to find out when people were eligible to get the vaccine

in may we already know it was in may

no if you lived in the hot spot

it was april

ok

we don't know though

of course we know

now we don't ok

we don't know if this encompass as everyone else whatse else you need what else you want g

you i want to get back to the original point that we were talking about

which was

why should we trust that your argument that eighty five percent of people are vaccinated because why would they send people down south of the border

without getting vaccinated

are eighty five percent of people going south of the border

in the year in the relevant time at which was tho statistics were gathered

at what i was trying what i was trying to say to you was why would the c t a lie knowing that

about a third of truckers

at any point are going south of the border so what the rest meant was was that

around eighty seven percent of truckers

for estimated to be vaccinated yeaight

so only ch nird go down south of the border

only a third at any time are going south of the border ok so you shift the roads are ine routes aren't always the same ok but we have to know

how many do go down south of the border because why is there any resistance to vaccine mandates at all

if almost if it's

if majority of truckers are going south the border because even before the mandates was the resistance of vaccine mandates at all period when almost tty percent of coming had a vaccine mandate or the very same reason that

the ten percent of canadians who are not i don't give me sh your leadersho are vaccinated vaccine mandates do you get it like

hincy n know i'm not i don't care about your lip shit explanation of how it's not a matter of a thatd explation something what exists wqhincy quincy

was up

why

are theyre only talking about vaccine mandates now when they supposedly had to get the vaccine before the fifteenth

everyone has all majority i don't know how many go down south of the border at any time

but

at any given time it's a third apparently

so how many are regularly going down south the border in a given year for example

you maybe it's the majority if it's the majority then the majority already have to get vaccines before there's any mandate

right

sure

so

why is that how are they how are these truckers so far

been able to not get the vaccine

are all the people at the freedom of conovoyl the ones that so happen to not cross the border ever

the ones who were ok

so the ones who were not at the protest or sorry the ones who were at the protest

yeah

why are they

whyre are they protesting no are they vaccinated yet

i don't know you to test them

well they have to be if they're going size wter i assume's a mix of people wh have be and people who haven't been

but how are they going to resist

getting vaccinated when they're already

vaccinated

interesting you should ask that because some of them aren't driving trucks

what do you mean how many are not driving tru it's a fucking convoy quincy of course they're driving trucks

as we estabyes some of the pople with their feet on the ground in iwa are n beginning this conversation some of them are not actually driving trucks

are the ones honking their horns and driving in the convoy driving trucks you're aner operator that doesn't drive your own truck then sure

maybe you know how to drive a truck but maybe you don't necessarily drive your truck you can hire somebody else to do it for you and the how mch r you think that how proers riving your truck or you know you know you so have to is mandate in the united states and if you're going across the border you have to be vaccinated gys guys all the bord this is no what it says if all that onebody in your truck to g quincys and you reallyan explanation then sure you

qinc quincy you have a beautiful explanation so this is quincy's brilliant explanation

so the truckers were sitting on their ass playing fifo at home

and they they were hiring people to drive their own truck

right

and then when it came time and they were never getting vaccinated

then when the vaccine mandates which wouldn't have even affected them in the first place because they're not even driving the trucks

rolled in

they decided to

boot out the person driving their truck that they hired get out of my truck i'm going to drive this now

and they got on their truck which they so happened to have the skills

which they s happen to have the skills to know how to fuck and drive and then they i think then they went the fucking protest and you you would have us believe this quincy you would have us believe this do you think that i think that every s limsy quincy flimsy quincy not beginning of this conversation that working class people are part of this protest i said that they were

you so you thing how it language was limsy quincy that's flimsy language quincy listen senyy hey flimsy quincy the problem is your language is too flimsy

ok if for you to say how many you know are you going to say this is mostly working class major working class are you going to say well there's some it allows you to not have to make any real statements

remember we started the conversation when you asked me is this a working class yes it is not i sid

no

yeah and just you haven't justified why it coudn't

i said that the majority of people that are

trucking in canada our company d no choice they have no choice to protest they can't get fi if you're taking stuff across the border you have to be vaccinate to get across the border you have to be vaccate quincy quincy so we know that we know that the remainder are a subset of people that either do not cross the border or people that are not affected by the mandates because they're not required to do to be in their trucks to get a s order any wincy qiny in i explained

may be able to be at the protest and why they're there and wyx quincy beae that is slimuin the first place what a time waste through what do you talking trye was he just runs his mouth saying nothing

quincy s quincy fucking point incy quincy listen to me very carefully quincy though this was the fucking point actually

that was eighty percent

can't protest or they get deported

or

or they get fired

deported

sure a lot of them are not citizens you didn't know that oka

you don't get deported for not doing a job you can just go find another job you're not going to get deported how many are are here illegally we don't know how many are here illegally maybe they are

facing coercion of some kind

how many are indentured and some we don't fucking knowll these things these are very much vulnerable people exist but you can't sit here and say to me that if people don't drive a truck they're going to get deported

you have to be specific about what you're talking about i think i think

that they're desperate and very vulnerable people

i know they are because so so so what where does this thing quincy where does this thing come from where you say people who can't walking pro are good i know that that's true because the vast majority of labor violations that happened in canada happened in the trucking industry

and the trucking industry is only about seventeen percent of of canadian labor period

so i know that i know that they are vulnerable yeah so ok but you don't have to you don't have to interrupt me to say that uince you know one gives a focx

anyway

the whole point quincy about what people go through and you so when when the people who protest

protest

who can protest

that says something about the sentiments of those eighty percent

who don't have a choice would they be protesting if they did have a choice well let's look at the people who do have a choice and they're protesting

sirre

a concier quincy concider so the

people that are stuck

on the other side of the border do you know what they've been saying

they're probably pissed i don't give a fuck

you you don't care about what workers say what have they've been saying what if you don't think workers can be counter revolutionary what have they been saying what what have the mention of it what did the mementshionvi it workers say

you don't think workers can be counter revolutionary if the people that are actually driving the trucks and yeahre saing they're subservient to their ruling class masters ylls they're subservient to their ruling class mastersyeah worth they're siding with the they're siding with their bosses they're siding with their corporate masters

they're grateful they're grateful for what they've been given and they're siding with their corporate bosses

they're saying why are these canadian workers so ungrateful

this is way better than the

you know the alternatives for me so why are they so ungrateful

that's what we're doing you you know why the owners do you know why the owners who are protesting this are protesting

like do you know why they're against the mandates and there are very good reasons to be against the mandate why why why are the uh owners who own sixty five uh

trucks protesting

so the owners who are against the mendes are against the mendes because they don't want to give pay time off

you don't want to what

you don't want to give pay time

it don'es

the owners the

the owners who are against it do not want employ is that why the nurses were against the mandates because they don't want to give paid time off is there any other reason why human beings would be against mandates besides

this dumb shit you're bringing up why are nurses against the fucking mandates why are new yorkers against the fucking mandates poplere resisting mandates all over the world se the communist party of the russian federation against the mandates fucking explanation hear say that there are very good reasons to be against the mandates you heard me say that right but you're saying the reasons why people at the freedom conf

ners wre the owners

because owner can mean you just own your own truck and you're in debt right would i would have said owner operators but i didn't say that ok you're saying the reason the owners are is because they don't want to pay paid timely owners who are against the mandates are against the mandates it's not because they care in some sort of class consciousness so let's let's narrow this down i didn't say owner operators

i didn't i think i don't i don't agree with thats you o because because on you said the owners are for the mandates and i saidm like n not all yes they are the c t a is

there the may there are literally owners down of the protest are against it there are people whove literally been on c t v news and said i i'm an owner i own a fleet and i'm against it

and

this is tyranny right yeah there are people and i'll tell you why because those people are the scorned capitalists who aren't part of them not monopoly big club and they have always always sided time this is there are used to exploiting him no it's not because they're greedy it's not it's not because they're greedy and want so re seven so why why do why was trump why was trump why did trump turn against the ruling class

because he was a scorned capitalist wh was kicked out of the big club of the monopolists and insiders that's why

to the same fucking reason these fleet owners

are there

it's not because they're too greedy and that they want to exploit their workers more

it's because

they are not part of the c c a s monopolies talking associations that have a relationship with the canadian governmenting on clumbing up to the process because they feel scorned

like yes they are they're latching on to the protests because they're against the government and the monopolies that's why they're profitable and they make money

listen somebody who's focused on making money is not going to take this huge capital risk of going to these fucking protests you're just going to try to focus on your bottom line with the circumstances handed to you

class does not manifest itself politically

class does not manifest itself politically in the way you're describing capitalists are not taking these huge risk to defend capal don't take risks to defend the class interests they let politicians do that for them you think a company like wal mart for example will burn millions of dollars fielding lawsuits from employees that file against them for labor violations why do you think that they would just

but that's not the same as going to a disruptive protest against the government

it's the fun it comes it comes out to the same thing because it's more profitable to exploit your employees and why did oliver scrooge why did oliver scrooge wh why did why did

why did oliver scrooge word his wealth on christmas with a stupid fucking thingu modi fictional character versus what actually yeah because in wal mart it has nothing to wal mart isn't rebelling against the fucking government

oh

there dot

no they're not

they're filing lawsuits and shit legally there were they're filing lawsuits against their employees to stop yeah legal that all that's through the system all of that is through the system and oftentimes and and oftentimes you realize wal mart is in bed hold on and you those laws and spend illy literally su slukt literally shot because they don't want their employees to believe that they have a this is why you have five viewers when you talk it kills channels q

why do you think

yeah because i don't talk in spectacle don't

no because you're full of shit in your time waster because it's because it's because you're full of shit it's because it's because sw it's because you're full of shit

and you're a time waster i wll be oner ts that you ask me you whatever have oortation about this we can go through all the tins but you listen bd

since the beginning of this conversation there's nothing but beginning of the graversation and i'm trying to actually get a point here you're trying to met an aerra eyes you mean wal mart walmrt walmrt my wmr mrt almart ramrt mrt walmrt is in bed with the government through lobbying they're not rebelling against the fuck and government

these people aren't rebelling against the government the government the moment i'm not rebelling i'm just honking and being public i'm just getting threatened with jail time honk hon conong i'm not rebelling against the government i'm just causing civil disruptions honkng it's not rebellion guys i'm totally just doing what wal mart's doing in civil lawsuits

through the system

what a fucking stupid thing to say

do you think that the owners who are

at the protest are rebelling against

government reorbelling and they literally are they're literally rebelling against the government right now

honk honk hok

trudeau can sleep

they can't sleep in ottawa

ho honk honk it's not rebellion though

of course it is

on

you can't sleep

you clearly didn't get any sleep because look how stupid you're son get sleep is because you're keeping me up talking shit in my ear for like three and a half hours yeah because you need some honking becauses i think i think you listen you don't know how to hear another person you have some shit in ears i think they should honk near your house you got your waxs in your ears they need a honk the youar wax out of your ears honk honk

versation we look the last time that wasre yeah yeah and then you ran to twitter and started talking shit about me in public di i do that

after we when di i do that multiple times mul timesj multiple timest our after we had our conversation last time i said o he's a pretty intelligent guy

yeah no you di you never said that once publicly on twitter actually no you didn't no you didn't know you din't both your friends your friends quincy are the biggest lying scumbags what is what is my

friends your friends your friends always come out of me and when i defend myself

you come after me like i'm the aggressor your friends come after me i defend myself and you attack me like i'm the aggressor

you've gone you've gone ut to people that i know two times

we've had exchanges on twitter two times literally two times like oh yeah since ever no we haven't

you talk shit about me in january

when

when have we had exchanges haus

i didn't reply to you cause i didn't give a fuck

but you talk about it when we had exchanges like one i we actually had exchanges between two of us you you told samira oh why are you endorsing has all that fucking bullshit i literally saw it

o then then what then what did i say to samira

when did we actually like have a call she endorsed me and you took issue with it

then i

yeah

then

you had this thing

where you were quote putting one of my fucking posts in january saying i don't even remember what you said but it was negative

it was bad

trying to like get people to gang up on me through your fucking followers join in on me with the mob you're not a fucking man quince you just join with the mob attack your own friends quince you attack your own friends on twitter and you join with the mob you don't have your own backbone you don't have a backbone you're not a man see

what did i actually say

what did you actually say you talked shit

dok shit what's

what that i say

you said no this is bad some shit like that

when

a bunch of times

when samira endorsed me you took issue with it

when i wen back in january

i pull i did i posted a picture something you quote tweeted me try to erratio me with your followers they gang up on me

what a you

you join with your little echo chamber circle jerk fucking bullshit

twitter crowd i wiped my ash with all those fucking people i destroy them every single day

the last time

oh here we go

okay sh uh she said i'm now in frizs number one fen

i

i said stuck frola

she said no i said you need to log off and pray

i was i was i was making fun of samira

oh yeah but that was it your had nothing to do she said she said i'm endorsing has and then you say oh that said god for you literally said god forbid you literally said god forbid

but i i cloud a mirror all the time you literally said god forbid

in my language you said god forbid

that's also that's also my language dude but on

i i said okay s i said ice f

how was it you laying old

i said log off and pray

ok how is it your language

why what

hous why would you why would you think that i was it your language

why why would i why would i use a word like that i

i don't know

don't tell me you're a muslim becuse you're going to hell for that

don't tell me you're a muslim attacking a fellow muslim on twitter in defense of wo not attacking you oh really

y don't tell me you're a muslim quincy cris tell me you're a quincy all the should you talk about me on twitter i attacking another muslim like that i'm not attacking anybody i guess smre all the time

qincy quincy quincy muslims quincy quincy quincy muslims don't side with white leftists against other muslims

what the fuck you're talking about yet i was talking to samira name one time i bad mouth another muslim defending a white leftist one time even if i disagree with them even if they're jihadi there's some office i handle it in private i never denounced them in public ever before how can you you a muslim wo attack other muslims on twitter before that what did i say to samira w y d what if i said to her going abt s before that you talk shit on me

i said dude she said sh real better than heyd she said winter better than summer i said this is the real run around that i got it out of the tim before i mean janu were you talk shit to me youly quoteweeted me in january talking shit to me

when

in january

when did we have our conversation

i we didn't have our conversation in january this year you quoted me to me saying some shit and ratioed me

with a buck and follower what that i say

what did i say you said some shit like oh you're embarrassing yourself some shit like that you know what you're fucking saying you're giveing me negatve you are yeah throwing your negative attention on me with your eighty thousand followers you posted a self it i was like why would you do this

why don't you dm me that

i'm dude i'm fucking because you're using the twitter mob against me how many times how many times do people that i don't have a problem with have i like o tweeted or said something to them and it's a right you want to read the replies tor tweet let's read the replies to that let's read the replies to that tweet what kind of attention were you giving me

w was that we we ok

okay

when you quote tweted me in a friendly banter way uking snake you're a snake

you're a snake i posted ok dude do you think i was following up with samira after she said no

ll right i said lug off and pray

that was done i was done for the day that was it

right like i'm talking about january when you threw negative energy on me

because you're joining up a mob

how many times you join with the mob all you do is join with a mob tet people

that i don't have any problem with and say something funny and then disappear

how ties of people that y dot have quincy quincy quincy your people quincy your followers and your people came after me

they weren't joking the we to be oh you don't know that

check your fonlk in replies check your replies to that we

i posted i said what are you doing

and then i disappear ince quincy i argued with you today about i argued with you today quincy i argued with you today what we're quincy quincy quincy quincy quincy i argued with you today today todayo because i qyes we did es took quincy

i argued with you today today my slf quincy qinc i argued with you today about theory and you attacked me personally

it taked you perseon yeah

oh yeah you did

when

you attacked me personallyda today

when

let's see what you said let's see what i said you went back and forth about the disrespectful

talking all this shit on back and forth and i challeng you by the way i even challenge you to a debate what you're doing right now

but

instead of all that bhp what did you decide to instead decided to insult in this respect decided to insult and this respect what i sd calculus by which you're going to think that you're going to be wrong in this conversation right and

that's very much what happened but

and then hours later you decided to still argue with me

oh no because now like all of that stuff aside this is where i take exception

we went back and forth right

did i like say anything about you being a bad person did i say that you were

you you disrespected me in public

you disrespectf

i had a difference of agreement with you as to whether this oh really this has' why di why did you say

i have other things to do besides use you as a footstool shortstop

yeah because you you called me literate by then

like really you

yeah you did

oh ok for that point you would call me illiterate so i was like ok all right if he's going to start like clounding on me i'm a clb back on him i what point let's see the point in which i call you illiterate perfectly clear let's see the point in which i called you illiterate it's perfectly clear

i didn't care about it like i didn't care like are es in the role yeah but you just do you just joined with the twitter mob to attack me because you hide behind your twitter mob so ust yeah your echo chamber you hide behind your e am one of my friends i took exception to it and i was like no your friend workings your friend doe reason

who's your friend

what's that who's your friend

uh you well you gone after a couple of them hang on a second we schol all the way back ca

figure this one out where this one started

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you had court tweeted

saint majamas

oh okay and who else and and yura and yura you you wow quincy i'm noticing a pattern

do you think these women notice you

or care about you

reb you attack a muslim brother you attack a muslim brother get these girls to like you i like comm i likem i like i like them you attack a muslim brother

in defense of trying to get the attention of these girls

what

i get attention dude i already know i've already known you are from time like yeah yeah but you want to know her in other ways too i bet

then you attack a muslim brother

to do that to impress her right so what do you see about attacking a muslim sister

she's muslem why are you attack oh i attacked the muslim sister

really it was them

yora came at me first before anything all i did was defend myself against her

she's called me all these names talked all these shit on me

all i saw the last exchange and this is why we had our first exchange

so yeah you and you w you and you and our muslim sister had a disagreement right

i took her side on something i said ok well this is this is what lennon said and this is what led to a back and forth exchange date but you knowf i think about that is and seat of having a back and forth you know what if we could have settled it onstream

o and we could have settled it respectfully by the way too

but you decided to got on the path of this respect not settling it right are we not settling it right now

are we do not decide to go down the path of thisrespect which is what i give you

ays yes

you but you disrespected our muslim sister first

oh how did i disrespect her

you had a quote tweet of her holdeond sing this

all right

saying what

ah hold on meing go back and find it

after she called me what a white supremacist but how did i even disrespect her let's see

is this thissrespect

he's here's the exact quote twet

this is a case of someone who confuses ideologies with material reality

a working class is not defined by being ideologically correct

most spontaneous working class uprisings have a riightus psydological orientation

for that' to blame yourself is that disrespect

yes why would she have to blame herself

because she represents the type of thinking and mentality of leftists

who are driving away the working class

from ever supporting communists instead of the right wingers that they're supporting

light

how was that disrespect

okay so

why tell me why muslims like a and yourself sell out why do you sell out muslims to impress white lif s ok so you said that

uh she ought to blame herself because of her mode of thinking driving away the working class yeah

yeah ok so when i responded to you what did i say

you brought it to a point where you decided to so what thatd i actually say what that i actually you didn't suspect me yet

okay

what i said was what did what did lennon say about spontaneing teism

what i said was which was a besides the point

right because i know one was i said that lenin was not a fan of spontanadian talsm that i not

no lenin was not a fan of replacing spontaneity the excuse of spartan eighty were god yeah but that's what m sweet was yeah yeah

which i argue was just in contest w the dis so where's the disrespect it came after

after i defeated you on the question of who was after you after you use the word illiterate i was like all right so if he's going to do that the i'm going to rost him back

i literally accused you of not i accuse you of not reading enough lenin

you who attacks me for some personal reason used illiterate

that's not disrespectful i said your claims evinced illiteracy

su

so no it's not a suspect what did you actually say hang on a second

any for that blame yourself

so on and on

um and i said the work class defined by the sale of one labor in exchange for money

and

and w you challenge me to be on the stoppic

ah and then you began the disrespect actually began

when i tried to actually

patiently explain to you my position

instead of engaging you go atop a what

completely bypassing the point i still didn't disrespect you at that point

but i did question

why you posture ignorance firs buil the theory then you posture ignorance as if it's justified so on and so on ok yeah and then

ai sai youcuse me i'm not reading we on you accuse me of being i literate first up and then you sa

you accuse me of being i lliterate first by the way was about the class in the twenty first century

to which i said what is a small pasant in relation to ls there bank artism you said oh ok there so this is i lliteracy

yeah

because youq you accuse me of illiteracy first

when you said when you said when you said what you being illiterate ok and i said was this argument is illiteracy i said

m which you said though

was that all

you claimed i never read marxs and i never read theory that's it

yeah when did i say that

in your first tweet

no i didn't say that i didn't say you've never read marks this is a difference between communism as an aesthetic and communism as a practice

having to actually read first and be disciplined in

having to read first

i've probably read marxism before you

what do you mean read first

it

you assume that my background came from a position of ignorance i proved to you it wasn't

didn't say your bed and you decided to feign ignorance

and posture as an ignorant person as if

that makes you look good

ok so when when you said to her

that the

multipultaneous working class uprisings have the rightest ideological orientation and for that blame yourself i said is defined by the sale of on labor in exchange for money so why would yad yad yada

difference between communism as an aesthetic and communism as a practice having to actually read first and be disciplined in one's approach when representing the idiology in public

right

yeah so you're accusing me of not having read i said n know

there so all i did was accuse you of the same thing a not having read elements to elements one reading to discipline

yah

you don't take it took a sption to the reading one like i said that you don't read and i've said to you before i think that you're very a very bright person and i know you read

ok

the second part

is what's important

having to actually read first and be disciplined in one's approach when representing the ideology in public yeah but i think i think you know if you if you infer d if you ude to know having not read and i call i accuse your interpretation of lenin as i sd you didn't read has i said

i con see the the fundamental point is

quincy the point is because when i said this is illiteracy o the fact that that does not justify your attacks

no

the fact that you took it that way has nothing to do with i said i said having to actually read first and be disciplined in one's approach when representing the idology in public

meaning

why are you going back and forth with yara like that

is my question

because people like yara have sold out islam

we're the white leftist

like you have

not sh what no yeah

no absolutely yes absolutely

you attack other muslims for the white leftist i haven't attacked you

yes i do sd why do you pander to that why do you why do you cover it the favor of the white lat this is why do you cover the favor of the white la if it's on then it's on

theay you what is the relationship the most part i don't say anything about yous a matter as a matter of fact you whatt the funny part mat of fact

meo you can actually go back to the os is the white leftist a friend or enemy of islam is the white leftist a friend or enemy of islam golf a right ex stream the like the

joking stream but i do like the chill like n you know exactly what you're doing like

what you when you together with the twitter mobe brought up your name what people have brought up your name you know what i've always said i said

it's a lot of it is trolling

i say a lot of it is to get and retain viewers and i say

he's actually a very bright person

but a lot of this is twitch draum like the law this is twitch stuff

so you but you when you gang up on me with the twitter leftist mob the white leftist mob on you yes you do it

why why do you why do you get so many likes you so when you throw negativity my way why does it earn you so many ws why you so concerned about me quote unquote gang up on you and really like i said of either just like responded to you jalkingly not attacking you

or responded to you

attacking somebody that i consider to be a comrade right

but i'm not rude to you i don't assault your intelligence or anything like that as a matter of fact if i didn't think you're intelligent we wouldn't be going back and forth on theory stuff

so you i do i with people's intelligence i don't you you don't think you know what you're doing when you join in with

you am i hated by the way you're want you to come on your you think you don't you think you don't know what you're doing tell me to come on your stream in debate

yeah i do because i was going to keep it respectful until you started attacking

reason disrespectful in shit the reason i'm only listening to you on discord and watching the discord right now like the discord like screen that you and i are visible on

and not like watching the channel or the chat or anything else is because i'm talking to you and i don't want to be talking to anybody else oh but you just you want to talk you after it's all pubic right on re stream and you talk about like

you know vad this vad that clip this clip that we're going to rewind it

you're doing it for an audience

right yea so how you excuse me

how are youing to accuse me of doing something for the quot twitter mob but you're not doing the exact same thing for yous r because you joined in with the mob against me first i didn't so i have my own mob i have my own mobs

i responded to you

that's it that's all i did you you disrespect me multiple times in public

when did i let me a say something i you w q q let me ay something when everyone any of the responses and any the responses if i was disrespecting you i would simply just write you off i wouldn't talk yeah scream let me ask you a simple question when thousands and thousands of these white leftists on twitter are on my backsh with vicious vitriolic hatred of me attacking the thing is you

sure sure sure i can yeah i can i can fight them i can take them on no problem

but here's the question

then wre's the question here's the question then the question i'm not a victim i'm not a victim they're my victims they're my victims i'm not a victim we're not going onw that road

saying that you are saying but purposely do this because it gets a reaction

you let me ask you something i gaess your viewers q let me ask you something

when you attempt to dunk on me on twitter is that a brave independent stance or do you know it's going to get you a lot of legs from that same fuckin mob

snaking me

snaking you are you acting independently

well

mmhmm

who is

who's pulling my strings

it just i think you're doing it to fit in with that fucking mob the white leftist

do you know how do you know what people call me gang on a muslim for the white left call me genocide denier

that's nothing that's nothing oh that i men'anank you

so call me up ashes people call me up you the difference between me and you let me tell you you me and you laate

theus is that thn't affect me i want to be hause if i want to be liked if i want to be liked

i would be a member of the communist party of canada you would have ose word those words

i talking about you those words haveenu lif

i wouldn't open my mouth on social media to those words even

are relevant to you

and affect you and hurt your feelings because you're already a liberal in trying to impress fellow liberals and of course liberals find that repulsive when people call me when people call me me a genenocide denier liberals yeah of course and it but when liberals call me a genocide denier or a tankey and all that shit my balls es get bigger

that's the differenceween me and you

ok i just don't i mean i don't because i've never tried to pandersp to those people in the first place care either way

yeah

i talk about these things because they're important to me yeah

ok but here's ok q here's the point it it is it braver or cowardly to join in with the trend ok wanted to be liked i would just

vot liberal te wait but you are like you don't think twitter leftist dominate the platform of course they do

like

by type of what lve this yes

yes you do

you get tens of thousands of likes regularly how how often do you get ratioed how often do you get ratioed

to when i get it too when i get attacked

literally

i can literally name you

multiple dozen check marked accounts with over twenty thousand followers joining in on me

up to three hundred thousand i've se even seen five hundred thousand they literally all gain every single twitter leftist

gangs up on me literally all of them including you

me

yeah the last time i seid me

you said just yourself the last time i said anything to you was in january because when i become the main topic on twitter in your crowd whenever i go viral in your mill you on twitter you join in

wi one when when do i do that the last time it's the last last time it happened

the last time it happened

was when i posted that picture

and you joined in

i

i

thought i was i said bro what are you doing thatsaid

oh oh that's so innocuous what is the context of saying that is it like everyone attacking me at that time

why did you get so many likes cue what were the replies to your tweet what was the actual context of

you throw negative energy on me you know exactly what you're fucking do and be in a snake i am and i thought it was funny

you're being a snake and now you're fucking pretending to be fucking innocent

so let me ask you this question so let's get to the bottom of your problem why if i understand you correctly you're upset because i

said something about a selfie you took and

because you sell out i'll tell you i am obsessed with you because you sell out because you s i'll tell you why this is exact reason you sell out wh it comes down to it you're upset that you're upset that i said something that you didn't like

is what you're upset n you joint you gained up with the mob against me you gained up you joined in i i'm upset with you prince

because you join you join the right left y other people as you say your balls get bigger but then when somebody gives a

fraction of the energy back to you you become my enemy you become my enemy

one thousand percent

and q let me tell you something you can just you can just attack and disrespect anybody that you like but when i disrespect my enemies thosere already my enemies

and those are my enemies what the white leftist is my enemy is the white leftist that's a muslim woman

the yar i didn't even disrespect youre anybody that write off as a traitor deserves it but when have i attacked muslims on twitter and when have i attack muslims what muslims i i attacked

and yara is a traitor she's a traitor let me ask you something let me ask you something but you can just call anybody because let me tell you why because i'll tell you why because yara is the type of muslims because i tell you i tell you why traitor because i' tell you exactly why i tell you why she listen she went listen because like three yea sure ill tell you

i'll tell you because there's a type of muslim who goes to college in the west

and they find out that the liberal leftist is sympathetic a little bit pretends to be to islam so they decided to go all in with the academic leftist and end up selling out other muslims in the process to impress the white professor and the white leftist

that's why

and let me tell you something q

s is the right left friend or enemy of islam is a right left is is the right we how do we think you know each other how do you think we know each other

i don't believe she just

everything you just said was false no

is the white leftist a friend just met that up

no you can make up anything about people that you deem your enemy it's one thousand percent true and is the white leftk answer this question somebody when somebody gives you a fraction of the energy back and says hey hey hang on a second no i'll check this no right

that's ho hassings to to i'm waging this t this too this is fragile energy to to i wage war you're

h you're a bigger huss you're a bigger person than this yeah this is true again this is just me and you're a bigger person yes you i

when i'm a when i'm at w you join my enemies you're my enemy too attract kind of attention to espouse the kind of theories you want to espouse you can do that without attracting all the spectacle in the att yes well ym the very beginning because guess what i'm going against you yh yes conversation i said you don't have to actually go through all this and then what you said back to me was well yeah but when i was doing the quiet theory stuff people weren't watching my stream yeah yeah

it's not just that you it's not just that means what that also means is when you go after people in public ok and when you have to go after somebody that i know like i respect like who and i respon to you like who just tke it suspect and attack disrespect me the minute you attacked me

not when you quote did me argue with me first of all iris i offered to settle it with you in a debate

first of all i'm not

second of all second of all

from the very get go from the very first time that we had a in person conversation i said i don't like doing the debate and why attack me on twitter

did i not say

i'll don't i

you know what you know you know what i was doing while i was tweeting back and forth with the man i was building a rabbit hutch

it didn't take me any time or energy

ok yes it did it was going on for hours you dug up your highlighted notebook you dug up a highlighted passage from lenin of course out of my book shelf

listen sfaus right here everything could have been settled in a debate you everything could have been settled in i b is literally right now answer my questionll

to goal and pull

the collected works of lennon off my bookshelf

open it up to the very first chapter because that book you mentioned is in the first chapter yeah answer and answer this question ut answer this question

what answer this question

is the white leftist a friend or enemy of islam

the white leftist yeah

does the white leftist love islam consider do i consider white leftist allies of islam no

n at all really

well that's a you pand or two

on twitter

ok how many of your likes are from white leftists i talk to on twitter

how many of your likes do you think come from white leftists

i don't check my legs i've checked them i've checked them i say ninety percent

okay i have no idea who likes my tweets

it's like ninety percent they're ninety percent white leftists and that's very conservative

very much the majority atually go through my tweets check who is liking my tweets and then check their profiles to see that they're white leftist

have yeah have like so so cue so cue

why do you

why do you covert the favor of the liberal and the leftist why i don't covert anybody's favor i explain to you from the very goet you just act independently i say things because i believe them and i

to ghost like that's it

i might go back and forth to people but i'm not trying to so when everyone's attacking me on wheneveryones when everyone's i want it when everyone is attacking me

it whenever i go viral by getting negative attention from leftist witter you join in what percentage of the vote of the communist party of canada get the previous election

less than the shit on my ass

very little so if i wanted to be light why would i align myself with them

because being liked politically is very different from being liked on twitter and social media where you get your validation

yeah

do you think that

i don't know canada is a country that's friendly to communism

are you popular on twitter yes or no a country that's friendly to communism

obviously not

oh

so if i wanted to be light why would i

go with the least popular political tendency because even though it's not popular among the majority of canadians among urban liberals it is quite popular

oh yeah it is

yes it is they're quite sympathetic to it that's where all communists and canada come from you know what you know where we ran in the previous election

where did communists in canada come from

all over the place

there urban liberals

oh they're all ex liberals all of them oh yes

i mean

i mean some people used to be members of the liberal party some people did us believe in america these are all the people who voted aroun hiaryy were all hillary staffers in two thousand and sixteen your friend same was to aarty of canada members for hillary staffers

not know in america the communists were hilary stafferds

i

i don't even ok comunit seem like communist part sorry c p usa members

yeah

absolutely

which ones

that i know a huge proportion of this

i'm pretty sure the sama grols members that i know were hillary c sa c p s a they're all ex hilary people

all right

i know them personally i met them in person

ok but how many of them do i know those aren't the people that i know that are consider friends or comrades

i hardly know when you side with wok leftist against muslims

who which ones can you explain to meim consistently which ones consist which which

consistently

which wark left this toay side with against muslims

which ones whenever wok leftists are ganging up on muslims you side with the woke leftist which ones

as

whoa whoa i know that's not true i know that's not true really i know that

yeah i know that's absolutely not true why

because i know that there's been several times that i've caught shit for saying like

listen that's not your place to say

as ll as i talk

i've talked about i've talked about wok washing i've talked about homo nationalism and i've talked about pink w i saw on my timeline used a poort what i saw on my timeline you as a matter of fact i've also said that the worst

the worst tragedy of my life was not nine eleven it was the u s invasion of libya because they destroyed the sole african country

ok just ot you united coninent i've always said that is the ers now let me ask you this my life i saw this myself

whena mira

said the they them army

and literally tens of thousands of people came after her what did you say

i said w id

and it polso a picture

oh so is that not throwing negative attention on a muslim to side with the wok white left st why would you talk about the quote unquote they them army a i was like what are you doing like what is this what is this proving oh you're so innocent you just like this with me just like with me youre so innocent what are you doing

just like me it was so innocent't understand what that was the plus like with me it was so innocent right you're just like oh why would you post this sten you know what you're doing you know what you're doing somebody when somebody says something weird

bizarre or city

and i say to them

what he doing

oh it's it's and you just decided you say you when you when have you ever initiated that you always are slither under the surface of the wk left is theing playing du you're fucking playing dumb

why don't you d m

why don't you d m p fine you know what the next time that you say something or or strange or that i find bizarre i will d m you and be like a what's yeat q

when have you ever led the charge if this is truly your independent view

it always seems like it always comes after it gets viral based on the woke what leftist mob attacking them

which who

who are you talking about

every single case i gave you of you doing this shit was only after jumping in it was you jumping in jump in you know you know that

like samra and i don't just talk over twitter like i will text her

ot texter your jump is just an examples you this is wh you are literally limsly had of literally had ninety minute conversations with samara

dead

like i don't attack samara you don't attack you

yes if i had if i had something that i felt was important to discuss offline i will talk to samir about it offline and i have done that yeah you talking about but when you have another muslim being attacked by the wok mob and you join in

any time that i've thought that there has there's something that needs to be said that should be discussed in private i discuss it with her in private so what are you talking about

you join in with the wok le join in with anybody i said what are you doing be caause i my a my question was

what are you doing ok in context what does that reflect i that i s is that referring to the widespread outrage that we caused i jump on it that i say this is this is this is this is it's a it's hilarious it's like that you know this would be like

and i say i' not your friend anymore that i'm disavowing that i say any of that

no you know this would be like

what's up

this would be like

if

you had a fucking p o w a soviet p o w in a nazi camp

and nazi guards were attacking him and all this shit

and then you were like

oh i didn't like your backward views on women i was going to chime in what's the context what's the funking context really you really believe that

it's an extreme example of how

being innocent in a context of overwhelming negative attention

defines it as a form of joining in

how do i don't believe that

it's an extreme example but a yeah

that's the point that like no it's nothing like that listen ok listen all right

because when everyone's already attacking someone and you throw negative energy on them it doesn't matter what your attentions are what you're doing is joining with that modeled this ok if what you're saying to me is hey listen like men the men i't appreciate it that if you had like a comment about something that i say do like you know that's just one of those unspoken things i would never ask you spoken things you just literally said it to me you know your virtue signaling to the

leftis

okay

and by the way the ruling class is not conservative their wok leftists

ok ya alright

yeah that's why that's wry wo love this or like the liberals or whatever they're like aspiring they're aspirints they're like strogo they are the ruling class

nose or no ok are the people at davos conservative or progressive and liberal

the people like dovils are just rich assles that i don't know they could really peg their ideology do they have

do they speak the language of progress either social views progressive or conservative

because they say things like the world is overpopulated which is a malthusian theory you don't think one you don't think malthusianism comes from the progressives it does malthusian malthusianism comes from geugenicists

gossips were they were all eugenesis back in the day eugenis

the the progressive movement was eugenicist in character because the very it was call it was about the progression of the white race

the progressive wolk are in origin eugenesis

yes they fucking are these people are spontaneously eugenesis

all right were where did

weorre did

um

like this overpopulation myth

come from like we're malfaus

sure

about this wasn't the first one to talk about like the the artificial scarcity or

to artificially to

try to prove that the world was scarcer in resources than the population

was able to handle you not know that the hippie movement that started in california that gave rise to the new left all the wok bullshit o hold p what came before mallt this is what i'm saying it came from the enclosure movement which of it which was of itself a reactionary conservative

right

it just adopted the language of progressive the enclosure movement

was conservative

the enclosure the enclosure movement the romantic conservatives reviled the closing off of public grounds and public property was liberal and progressive

that's right

it was it was the forward thinking liberal and progressive

way of destroying traditional bonds in the countryside

s

we disagree on that but ok that's literally a fact of history the conservatives

reviled

we can agree as to what

the facts of the matter were we disagree as to the character of it

you re you're going to deny that progressivism is inherently eugenicist ok do corporations push no no no no i already said to you that the progressive movement and i'm talking i'm referring to the progressive movement yeah the late eighteh hundreds ok let's talk about the worc progressive movement corpate our corporations

corporations push wok social agendas

what

to corporations push wok social agendas despite being massively unpopular social agendas make the money

and yet they are massively unpopular among the population

hm

yes they are the majority of people are not on board with the woke agenda

i don't care whether it' on board or not so why the corporations pushing it thank you subway thank you sub bay

people like to believe that when they consume things there is an act of

uh it's an active activist

ok so that must be why even though most people in

people people like this

people like to substitute consumption for action so by consuming a thing you it's interesting it's interesting how when it's interesting how when corporations push wl it's called co optation and recall yeah i love i love that i love that it's interesting how corporations are just co opting the real thing

but when it comes to the trucker convoy right wingers never corrupt working class movements right

ight just co corpor working class bs all the time what are you talking about no they're all settlers and racists and bad people said

did i say that

the they're all they're all they're all

uh koloks and stuff right

i said that

yeah that's pretty much what you fucking said

said it's not a working class movement

no i said i said if that was the case then i guess that whole coolox business was over nothing

you said it was not a working class movement

fi

i don't think it's a worsing class working class movement we're not going to agree and that's fine it's not co ops it's in ass not a working class movement

not ot you notice you notice how we moved from

ah

bike

h me attacking

a fellow muslims

too virtual signaling to woke leftists

to whether corporations are woke and whether y makes them so i want to know why leftist i want to know why i want to know why muslims by the leftst think why leftis other fress questions and that what i'm halfway through answering it you leave to something else

because you never answer anything

i'm answering question you stop me from answering

you never answer anything i literally can't even get a sentence up before you interrupt me like and then move on to something else you never directly answer any of my questions you give it to something irrelevant is why i don't do debate stuff you ask

questions that

deserve

full answers and when i give an answer i thn'k wen se whyre is it is it a prevalent phenomena wich is it a prevalent phenomena this isn't actually go toin sy let me let me deusscribe you something a conversation see quincey let i'll go ahead and describe you something like yeah a half hour i'll go ahead and describe you something

so is it true that sometimes muslims come to western countries first generation second generation whatever

and they realize

that superficially the right wing is against them and that the left wing seems to be more sympathetic to them

and that they therefore become adopted by the left wing start to adopt left wing ideas

and starts to try and fit in with leftists and become more like them because the only ones who accept them and then in the process

do some do that i would say probably a very problem phenomenon

i would say probably about as many as a

are co opted like

try to impress people who are conservatives and

make money and accounta that

you meank as be th you think muslims become assimilated by conservatives as much as they do because by leftist i think i mean i can't i don't know offhand what percentage is assimilated in tins know let me a question i'm just all i'm saying is i grew up in a in

a very like mixed neighborhood and i've seen people from all walks of life go to both i didn't grow up muslem

wviinston grew up christian

i grew up christian i grew up christian and from what i can see from the outside i've seen it go both ways but i don't have that long term

born into the

belief insider knowledge that i could really answer that question i do i do actually so i experience my observations i've seen it go both ways so i do actually

and you want to also i know quincy because it actually happened to me

ok

i used to be one of these lofters

are muslims on twitter who attack me

okay

so i know everything inside out how they think where it comes from everything

what we have i know them better than anyone so we have something in common we both

we're on the sort of like left the rule slide and then

knowo and some things and no i was in go a dream radical leftist

ok

like these people

all right

i know how they think i know why they do what they do

the

so the question is

is what they are doing

in serviceus who is they and who are you referring all the white i saw all the muslim leftists who arettacking on twitter

i don't know what goes through their minds

you can't you can't just say that because i do i do know it goes through the mind i do know goes through the mind just say because they have a disagreement with you automatically they fall into this category basic yes they do anybody

basically that means anybody who has a disagreement with you or dislikes you automatically falls into the category of left

because their virtual signalling beause their virtual signaling saying is that you are the you are the loadestone by which anybody can measure what

ideology somebody falls into yes oh yes i am a divisive figure vers that way literally yes i am the most divisive laftist on

you're not the center of the universe that yes i am

people say thing fun of incy i think when ik listen i will grant you that many people will jump on the bed andm i going to make fun of you because they want to be like with their friends of course it happens people do that all that's n reason they do it that's why there is a main character of the day on twitter and when see quincy people take do whit think people take principle disagreements with you

yes and i think you have a hard time telling the difference between the two sometimes

quincay

name one other leftist figure

name one other left let me ask you a question ask questions

so if you're talking about disrespect this entire time right

and i'm trying to speak to you as respectfully as i can right now especially because i know what got you upset

and i'm walking things back so that i'm not make making you more i don't care call me short i am short f i let's continue that was w that was wh i was he wo that was when i was joking back and forth with you

but now that i get you took it as disrespect i'm trying to be like

i'm trying to be as respectful as i can be here ok

when i joke round when i joke around with somebody

and i see that they're taking it as disrespect

i'll stop doing it because in ok do that so right whatever your name is soing knowing that knowing that i've stopped doing that why are you still calling me quincy because i actually thought so that your name

so que min

ok so q

so

you

have to ask this question

okay ya

when it comes

to the amount of leftists on twitter attacking me

yeah

ok and the motivations for why they're doing it

obviously the majority are doing it

to jump in on the bandwagon

okk

now let me ask you another question i don't know their motivations

some people so here's the question here's the question is there a single

this is why i am the anchor point the anchor stone that measures

people's positions is there a single

leftist or whatever is communist is there a single you're not that flashpoint du yes i am

is there a single sometes e they things that are funny or goofy and people don't ok let me ask you a question is there a single guy on twitter

who unites

wasoh

destiny

m l bizo jenzdn krushtovite revisionist

maoist psychotics

a hosess anarchist

liberals

every shade of leftist literally every shade of leftist against them is there a single person who unites them all against i don't pay attention to who's going after you

when you i ask do you know of anyone who doesho unites the left as a whole against them

i don't

i don't think you know like

i don't think unite the left

i'll this i doea something

yes i do they literally pasted a picture that got two thousand likes i think you're assuming the intent of everybody who disagrees with you to be hostile and in

political ok quincy we're not talking aboutquind be clear

come on you have to be able to admit this sometimes you just say goofy shit

and that's quincy quick i sorry q

you ya

the

there is literally a picture that got two thousand likes of all arms fur arms uniting against mevage

emels anarchs

liberals all of them uniting against me

so it's not true

yeah it's not true

i don't

two thousand likes i mean there's two thousand people out of like

which isn't a lot better

two thousand isn't a lot

i mean it's a lot but i mean it's pretty indicative of the senate no its yes representative porson no like i've seen win se twincyin se i see people tweet about like gossip girl and get fifteen thusan only listen to

the only people who unite all of those people together like that

yeah

are right wingers

ive

i'm the only communist that they and they call me a right winger of course

that they iun care

and they unite against me i think i think you have some very socially reactionary points of view and that's how people take it

name one

um i mean you say a lot of stuff about trans woman

for like what like what what have i said about trans woman

she i going to go back and luck

im heil

and again i don't really pay attention to a lot of this stuff i just have seen things you said flop by my timeline well you're saying i'm socially reactionary so i just want to know why you youh hold up i don't remember offhand because you know what when i see stuff that doesn't like

if i don't think it requires comment i will just let it go by me

right so out of all the times that you've been dugged on or ra sioed or whatever how many times have i actually commented on it barely any why because it doesn't concern me it's not my business so i just let it go

right

i'm sing

are there tran supporters of me

i don't knoww about mods about moderators

i have no idea so what have i said about transer what have i said about them

okay hold on mm

e

oh yah this yeah the the tweet that you sent to me

on

ah

oh yeah evil wys premases who want to flaunt their hatred of trans people or whatever you people say people lisen your letter denouncing them

are black people especially known for fixating on trans issues now no they're not

i was like

when you know when you said that i was like why would you bring that up like what di it have to do with our conversation at all because thank you

do to things

thank you move on

two things

right first thing

is the way in which you arbitrarily accuse

the masses of people of which you don't like for

being transphobic or

islamaphoeor whatever and me it's a leftist stroke

so it's just like it's such a framis thing to accuse people ok the try reason the reason the reason i brought it up was because like i was like why did he

bring that up out of the blue when none of our conversation was about that but di i you didn't trudea say that

tw

but you just did it when you accuse me of transform being transformed no i said yes this is why because wk leftist have a tendency w listen because w left

you asked me a question i said because you say some strange things you said i said that you were socially reactionary and you asked me why i thought that and i was like well one of the things that you say some strange things about trans no you said i say trans m was sticking in my cral was the exchange we had earlier today when you brought up trans people in the conversation that had nothing to do with that whatsoever i was like because w leftist tend to bizarrely and arbitrarily accuse people of transfo and noing

do with

but you just did it but you just di sthing what

you just did it now i

i did

yeah bringing up

me bringing up hey why would you bring up

like that issue in a conversation that had nothing to do with that struck me as strange and when i bring it up to you just now

you always use this innocuous lan nature of what we're talking about right now like i was like hey

the stuck in my crow that you brought up you

hatred of trans people

tm to do this convoy and i was like why would he say that

and i find that it to be a social reactionary tick

and you say

well why would you why would you think that

i was saying well because you say some strange things

i bring up the strange thing you say

s you want all you need is other example this and i on then all you need is other example a conversation where nobody was talking about that

so you just need other examples of where wok left is just arbitrarily accuse people of transphobia

right is you're not convinced that's a thing did i say anything about you being transpublic i said you have social social reactionary tickes and this was one of them

what was reactionary about it

well why would you bring it up in a conversation that had nothing to do it again because wok leftists tend to arbitrarily accuse it why do that no but you are

awoke no no so it didn't notice i said you people i said you people den i didn't i say you people what did i mean by you people i don't know what you mean by you usually wen people say you people to me it

does it mean

anything respectful

but i ignored it what you think i meant what do you think i meant by that inored two things that i could have

oka so what do you think i meant by want to want to talk about virtual signaling right so when i saw that tweet i ignored two like

definite red flags that i could have been like

transform races what of the fuck why the race ok on explain the racist thing hey

any hey

i said i ignored it because i have no idea what was going through your head nor that i care to investigate ok explain the racist thing explain how it could be racist not

because when people say you people to a black person they generally mean like

black people as something other than are separate or whatever right but but i

but come on dude asking uk is that reach person what they

here when somebody says you people and it's not something good

but

i took it i took it as

maybe he just doesn't know

he probably didn't mean it that way i'm just going to ignore it why didn't on you don't think i've said you people to leftist and i all the time that i literally always say that i just say that you are racist that i say that

you said it was a tick that's so weird that's just weird social reactionary ticks yeah

yeah but that's weird to think a racism and i said and i said that you brought up the trans issue and all right justhad so so if i say you people whatever you people say when it comes to accusing people of transphobia

what is it most logical to assume that request to don't no and i did not try just just guess no idea

so i don't know so you tell me

ok here's the thing here's the thing here's thing here's ok

i made the assumption that you didn't mean anything like

uh racist or whatever by it right i assume that it was just that's very generous of you that's very generous of you

but i assume let's actually get to the point

i assumed you meant nothing harmful by it which was why i didn't comment on it at all ok that's very generous of you because

that makes no sense to me but anyway

when i say ok ask any black person what

what they take away when somebody says you people to them and in any context

t me what you get

so if i'm arguing with plumbers and i'm talking shit about plumbers and i'm like and you know

and and fixing toilets or whatever your people do you talk about plumbing

yeah but i'm talk but ok what wasalking if you're talking but if you're talking to a bunch of black plumbers and you're like but you people do this

no that that let's not scuse statistically statistically

it would only be one black plumber

amidst majorit majority of leftists are not black i want the majority of people like yourself are not black i want you to go up to a random group of any black people strike up a conversation and then say you people you are not a group of black people you are not a group of black people

i want you to go up to twenty black person

strike up a conversation

ok in the middle of conversation say you people

and then see what kind of reaction you get

ok

listen e

what i clearly meant by you people i

i said i ignored it

yes i assumed that you didn't mean anything harmful did i not

ok are we talking about it

hold on hold on i'm talking about it

because

the people

i'm referring to

i don't have to clarify i'm not i'm not clarifying the racism thing i'm getting to another point i'm getting to another point

sirc

go ahead

when i said about the trnd the trans thing or accussion of transphobia

because the people who are coming out against the truckers and that's what it means you people who are leftists leftists coming out against the truckers

we'll say w truckers are missogynistic and transphobic

and this and that and they'll justify it and i said it whatever you people say

there transphobic or something

ok

what did i say that

so no you didn't have to say it

but you are a leftist

you are a leftist against the convoy

did i say it was

ok you are leftist aligning with yara ok yara yar on was against the convoy

yara

your friendgain so you you didn't position yourself and i that anybody has a right to i believe anybody even reactionaries or whoever else i disagree with has a right to go on pro you are aligning yourself with go us because you're upset because i'm not agreeing with them and because i'm not rallying with them i'm not going to do that

no that's not that i no one said that's why i'm upset

but you are aligning yourself with the leftists who say it is a reactionary protesting my and not a working class protest we have if we have a convers if we have a conversation

um

if we have a conversation that

you know

i say that i agree with something and you say you disagree with it or whatever right

i'm not saying that you're alyning or dislining yourself with anything

it's just how you feel that's what your opinion is not yeah you have to be honest here

are you not aligning yourself with the leftists

who are

negatively ok i'm giving so did you are give positive or negative coverage of the protests

in her coa sy with me

she

criticize the protests

so she gave negative coverage of them prots i risis a protest but she gave negative coverage of them let's see what she said does it matter

ok just so we're clear on how hard it is to establish common sense

this is what

so first she said they're anti communist

she said this is a working class

uprising led by a tiny percent

who are half tied to fascist fringe parties

and who are harassing actual communist so i'm pretty sure she's positioning herself against these people right

i ok so in this conversation i did explain to you that the people that organized the convoy

had those characteristics did i not

no she's saying the rallies are filled with fascist groups and individuals meaning it's a mass problemrops and individuals at the rally ok it's just so simple cque is yar a positioning herself for or against the rallies

i think ok so going by what she actually said

right

she's saying that the rallies are a working class movement that are riddled with reactionary elements

which is true

but so she's basically coming out against them

did she say she was for or against them

that you say that they shouldn't be there is she for against people sh associating with the government police should clear them out that you say any of that

that's not what it would mean be against them to be against them would be to claim thing where because somebody criticizes the thing they must be like

ultimately aligned against it and must hate it

right

this is like this is like gas lighting this is just gas lighting thist gaslighting your problem is you take what people say and the you make a whole bunch of inferences what they said it's so think you knows you literally make up shit that people say it is not an arg like they said it in the first place it is not a stretch to assume that some a matter of what there's a stresser asume ok when the essential

when it's not it is not a stretch to assume your a don't interrupt me interrupt me

whatever you can infer from what somebody says is not their responsibility it's yours not

it is not a stretch to assume

that's someontter with this just let me get it out

it is not a stretch holy fok

it is not a stretch to assume

at all

it's very reasonable to infer

it's likely to infer

a normal person would infer

and a person typing this with themselves

be implying

that

when the essential political significance of a phenomenon as you are describing it

lies in its association with fascism and its anti communism

that you would be positioning yourself against it if you call yourself a communist yes or no

what

when the first thing that comes to your mind when it comes to these is that they're anti communist and they're associated with fascism and that's the significance you're taking away

that kind of means you're against em right

that youre that she's against the protest like the truckers andm sos she's there's a division among the left on s is right the entire time she was talking about the people who organized it

is what she was talking about

the canadian truckers

she talked about the beer

organized the reason i know that is because my original tweet was about the canadian truckers which she was quote we's an article talking about

she's defining the canadian trucker's movement based on these groups

the fact is di she say it or did she not the fact that she did not say it and you assumed it

it's so fucking up to it's just your head and it belongs to you it's so i'm literally going to click her i'm clicking i'm clicking her erstand

this is like there's a strain that goes through this conversation here right like you assume that i was disrespecting you i'm like ok but why didn you reteat something that says why did you woke left and this that and a third i'm like ok but what did i actually say you sae so is this signaling so this isn't signaling against

nothing in what you sd forar has anything to do with that what actually came out of people's mouths or thing oh we've sig right what it has to do with what you think about it and then you make up

a thing to be mad at that you think we're trying to say and then you argue with that instead so ce so c so c

um it is a crazy coincidence but she just so happened to um

say another thing

against the protesters i don't know it's not against actually

but it's just coinciy wouldn't surprise you that they're not representative and whoen ninety percent vaccinated heavily south asian

and worring about things like wage set theft it kind of sounds like she has a negative attitude towards the conos like people are missing the point that there are people in the trucking industry that should

be caured and worried about and should be mentioned that aren't

but it says that she dre like the other tweet she just made before that

a

we can keep going on her timeline she says i'm not going to define her thoughts but everything that you said to me so far sounds like she said a thing and then you inferred from it and you're arguing with the en for is ok so is my inference i wrong i can tell you what i believe becuse you when i came in here you thought you i was saying the ix ting i'm going to go ahead and tell you something about how certain it wouldn't be a stretch to assumes how certain said

ok i'm going to tell you how certain i am in my inference

that she's signaling i don't care how certain you are the fact is of a think a person didn't actually say a thing they didn't say it

whatever comes after that belongs so you're saying she literally has to what is jop to convince you that they can

it's no one's job this to

to word

their statements in such a way that is so airtight against your suspicions

that the boy cannot be crit so you're saying that she has to saty on

so you're saying she would have to say directly i am against the convoy

instead of having the reason is but that she criticized the convoy the backers of the convoy

she criticized that convoy she claims

she critic yous wen you criticize the backs of the conroy and then the importan of what you say anyway it ony and the people organizing it like she criticized the faters anyone else and she said that there were other people that show in a light shone on them

that's really innocent

so it's obvious

so she retwated the trucker convoy is so obviously a right wing operation astroturf

by conservative billionaires

it's absurd seeing leftist pretend otherwise but no she's not signaling against the convoit conservative billionaires

so okay

i don't care if you believe that boshit either is a conservative billionaire for alberta one of the supporters of the protest you can't even admit all donation that you have no whereus donation to youus and your friends

have positioned yourself

it's not a medic

did

i've maintained from the very beginning

i've been saening from the very beginning several things one that anybody should be able to protest government because like

the government is not above reproach

anybody for any reason should be able to protest government self

people want to go and park the car their trucks downtown and protest parliament

how about it

just don't keep people up all night

you know what i mean

aside from that i cauln really give a shake go protest whatever you want

o q

we but don't expect me to support it because i think it's a i think it's a scam

organized by a bunch of people that that's fine with but right now ok is it a source of political antagonism right now

wait you mant

has it drawn a line and divided canadians

the

fight i mean

yeah i would say like a lot of people have opinions one way or the other sure

ok

so it's it's a point of antagonistic contradiction

m

i would say that as a point of political devision i wouldn't know that i would call it antagonistsic contradictions

so when you have the up when you have tradiction

antagonistic contradiction would mean that if

let's say that that

your in

a

political party

and i'm in a political party

you are supportive of the the convoy i am not supporti of the convoy

that we

are no longer

of the same politics

i don't believe that

okay i think

but ok whatever but there is a division that makes it not an antagonistic contradiction

but it's it's an antagonistic contradiction on the ground it's a simple point of political division is all it is

ok like it's not it's not that deep

oka

so it wasn'tagonts a contradiction s we literally couldn't be belong to the same party because this is the dividing line between the two ok

but it is a decisive point of division

it's a political division yeah it's about who the base of a communist movement who is the subject of a communist movement so that's a very important division

o but

yeah it's about whether people like those truckers are the subject of a communist n iagree whether they comprise the working class i don't think they do you think that yes so the working class is the subject of com you think that they are i don't think that they are based on what so that's be as decisive implications for a party because it's going to it's going to determine what kind of people party is going to define itself

and you're making this out to be something that it's not because i thein at the end of the day

once this whole thing disperses we're going to forget about this in a couple of months and be some mether issue

no cue

i don't think it's all that important it's actually important because it's about who the subject of a communist movement is

all right whether it's going to be these type of people were it's going to be someingdly want to spring up from this protest

no one said it is but a it's about is the vanguard going to see people like this as the subject the revolutionary subject

or are they going to see the city liberals right so yeah it is a decisive thing

anyway

all right

now

since it's so obtused we had to go through all that now that we're past that

we have to ask the question

is there a division among leftists on twitter of those sympathetic

and those who are opposed

now you don't like the language opposed among all political groups is a division amongservtive let's just say positive view or positive view versus negative there's literally a division among all political lines i've seen people who are in the n d p who are for the convoy people who are against i've seen people who are liberals that are foreign against i've seen people who are conservatives who are foreign against yeah except

it seems to be cross hatching across it's not liberals it's not fifty fifty among liberals what know what percentage it is i have seen people argue both forn almost all liberals hate them second of all ok i do you know that i don't yes i do yes i do ok there's no way that you could know that in't know you r sure i'll put i will put my balls under a guillotine and let the gin fall if i'm wrong idians but i know

you are not that keed into canadian liberals i know you're not so come on now

i will put my balls under n and let it all have your instincts and that's fine but

come on mke

let's stick to what you know

ok i do know they're against it

no second of all don't know that i have a gut feeling you

like a party yes i do have i've taking a poll of liberals to figure that one out

i will put my balls under a guillotine and let it fall if i'm wrong

let's continue i'm de ding to do that please keep your boss

no i n i'm s i will keep them which is why i'm willing to risk it

now anyway b time a a woke social justice warrior quote tweets you i i want you to keep that right so so let's continue let's continue

when it comes to the information age and we have polarizing phenomena

it's a black and white thing you're for you're against negative or positive

it's how it works functionally

are you signaling in favor or signaling against's here's

no yes it's black and white no no it doesn't work that way because i've said

they can go ahead and protest i'm just not going to tcheer them onor organize with them or rally for them

how do we s signaling against them just how do i feel am i for against i don't give a fuck i don't care so no that's not true

you are signalling against them yes you are

i've talked about the organizers and the fact that they're like you're talking shit on them just like you talk shit on me before

what

it's the same thing about how you've talked about me in public

or oregaon

what what does it have to do with you

because everything on the internet works like that when there's a point of polarization you are free or against there's no nuance

cause the world doesn't revolve around what it is that you find important to run important dude

no but there are you can discern what the essence of the gans i'm really like come on now it's like quarter to four in the morning i'm trying to have a conversation with you and you you just can't stop this bravado dude like come on like at some point can you rop it d person

again can you can you

i know that i know that this is streaming this is content but at some point can you like just

talk like a normal person

i am telling you there's enormous not just notw people this is not how people have comver like i

and all the conversations miles on contradiction including people in my family that are truckers themselves we don't talk like this

we have conversations about like what's going on and who's organizing it whether you support it whether you don't read mavel on entrek silver

did you read a contradiction

yes i've read a contradiction you know what it means when a line is drawn

yes

is it black and white or is there nuance in between

n know there's black and white do i think this is one of those issues where the line is drawn no i don't you seem to wy not which is your prerogative but you can't force me let's look at

theuret of work let's look at it from the perspective of canadian side society and canadian politics

and canada

why is it not a lie

why is it aong with that

yeah objectively let's have an objective materials analysis how does it not function as a line

because is future qt of where the you're for against it doesn't define your politics or your characteristics which as i've said

the fact that this is being argued in multiple political circles tells me that you can't draw neat lines

wait it doesn't define politics in canada right now

no

it doesn't why not

it's a like i sa s is it a flashpoint is it a point of political division yes

does it define politics no it doesn't why not

because if it did then there would be a massive reorganization there would be a massive political realignment around this very issue that is only what is happening

because of the acxss mandates in america

all right

it's literally happening why do you think that's not going to happen in canada too

o w war

are you talking about the truckers protest or you talk about vaccine mandates it's two different things

both

ok the truckers protest specifically yes it's about the man in the resistentage of the indians

the majority of canadians prefer vaccines

so it's not well

that's what they tell us and they tell us the same thing about americans and yet it is the fundamental

there is literally a political realignment in america and his organizations say that canadians favor vaccine mandates not do i think they're wrong yes

but is is it the line

no because well you can trust you know you can waszation if that was true if that was true it wouldn't just be the truck a's an autoa

listen

i know

were that

that's what they can claim

and yet

i

will myself observe

how all of our politics is changing and how all the sources of civil unrest

coming from this

and i can call bullshit

that the majority of americans or canadians are in favor of mandates

it's bullshit

because that's not in europe too it's the same thing they always say the majority' is in favor of it they're lying to us

so epsles read

is lying to people

yes

according to what

why should i trust them when there's so much resistance to it

what's so special about the people resisting it

tnom

if like

if the masses of people are coming on moon appears to me to be bigger than like i don't know like the alpha centauri system am i going to assume that the moon is bigger than stars no i'm not

it's because it's closer to me and if i'm closer to the ground and this is in my face among social media i being surrounded by this

there's a lot more like division and like

this single source of a little on division and anim aalsity is sle greatest source or it's a little onether it's on ums or twitter spaces or whatever a lot of people are talking about it but

the majority of canadians

are supportive

of the mandate according to them

and i'm going then i'm only going to assume that people aren't having the same kinds of conversations that i am because i'm not the center of the universe

the single greatest source of political unrest

and social unrest and division

since

the cot has come

has been about

lockdowns and man

i would say the biggest the no the biggest

not political division mind you at least not in canada anyway like the united states might be different

but in canada the

it's a minority of people that are

angry with the

mandates the passports etcetera

now am i am i supportive of the way the lockdowns have been handled andmy supportive of vaccine passports at all andmy supportive of mandates

no

but

i am also not the center of the universe i have my principled reasons for opposing them

but i don't

project my point of view on to the majority and say

this is something that you have to come on one side or the other this is the point of political division

i'm not going to say that it put a lot on

the point to w wait first time a hold on ok so first i'm a talist who's just tailing behind what's popular

now it's because of my principles

i'm not saying no i didn't say that either

so what is it i say that

clearly it's popular

why would i used of terllrism otherwise it's clearly because it's popular

t tale ism is catching on to the wave of this spontaneous uprising and assuming that it's the revolutionary vanguard

around which we must organize our principles and begin to

draw these people into know that's not talsm is when

instead of assuming leadership over that spontaneous phenomenon

you just tae behind it

b of assuming decisive leadership that's what tsm italsm is waiting for the spontaneous for not like spontaneous

phenomena to occur in the first place n that n that spontaneous rather rather than rather than organizing first and bringing

uprising into effect you don't organize until you actually have a working class to organize

that's

intelligible

a specifically a working class movement and a work you you you know incessity to organize a working class i

you don't convince people to be dissatisfied one thing to the next to the next and because you you don't convince people to be dissatisfied with us sying to say to you is that no this is not the political de it is to you but it's not to anybody else

right now yes it is

to you to everyone

w you teralre you you and who else has to all of all of twitter right now it is to let this twitter to literally that's what's getting all the engagement and all the ight is you the people that you see on twitter dude

come on listen to it is the metal on twitter to be talking about this

ok and you know it

all right

so it is that it is better on it was met on twitter a couple of months ago to talk about whether nancy reagan sucked dick like

yeah but it but it wasn't no it there was not nearly as much energy and intensity on left twitter about that than this there was a lot but

ok so that's just first on twitter the second thing is that in reality

it isus a was youre not going to convince me of this because

none of the stuff translates to real life one to one

ok

can some of this energy be brought into real life yes is it

the

are these conversations the politics around which people align their own personal interests

that are not online like us no it's not

and if that was the case everybody would be a fucking communist and they aren't are they

this yeah i agree twitter is not the same as real life and yet in real life

people don't care about politics that's what you're trying to say but when it comes to politics don't care about politics i'm saying that people don't they don't they don't give a fuck about it

but i'm when it comes to what i think n i think people generally care about politics just not the same issues that we do

enter there's literally hundreds of thousands protesting this is what's

changing pow hundreds of thousands what in

ottawa

all over the world against vaccine mandates

and sirre

the thing is

is that were in in ottawa where

to

in ottawa

right

this is

what is

device

a

now do it

people are

there are thousands of people in autaw that are protesting the mandates and several other things

and i think that they have ever reason every right and reason to do so

i don't necessarily agree with the organizers and i think that they are reactionaries and i think

scamberos to a great extent because this very same group of people that are organizing now fell apart previously because they were embezzling and defrauding each other

do i think that they are taking advantage

do i think they're taking advantage of popular energy

and co op to get into a right wing movement yes but do i

do i think that

everybody that's at that protest is some sort of white supremacy ort thoughts you would know

i think there's just a lot of people are pissed off about the mandates and i think they have reasons to be

i just don't think that they are

a

group of people that we can organize politically around i don't

you do and that's fine for you but i disagree ok ok

so

this is drawing a line in canada of whether you're for and against the truckers

politically is drawing a line

it objectively is

no it's not

holy shit's just like january sixth did here yes it is

the

and i ca i fail to see you i mean you listen if you believe so about it i don't think i don't think that's true i don't agree but

if

that's what you believe havebout it

who am i to tell you any different what's dividing people in canada right now

there was real issues

there are many issues

what's the main contradiction the principal contradiction

it's act it's actually unemployment and housing

our life

the l like the largest ones the ones that have like drawn the largest amounts of mobilization consistently

are housing and employment

that's the primary contradiction in canada right now

n the primary contradiction in canada is like is

is mining reat and oil companies against the rest of us

is a primary contrao that's your ideological narrative

no that's what it actually is

yeah but the workers who are in mining and oil and all that shit

beg to differ

sure

so that's your view

how can you say it's objectively the priortradution all of this

minors and

oil workers

all of us

yeah but listen

ok let me put put it this way you yourself understand this

i kind of agree with you hod n n no wait wt i kind of agree with you

pancus i kind of agree with you

i just think you can look at that same contradiction between the rural working class effectively

and the city urban elites

it's not but it in terms of the trucker protest so yes

the truck apch protest is the most recent manifestation of that division

hae those distinctions are not so neat here

is the thing

yeah

the trucker protest is just the most recent manifestation of the division you just described between them versusor no urban rural divide it doesn't work

there's no urban rules ofvide

no i mean not in the sense that you're looking at it no there is andre is

there's urban suburban extorbanant rural ok and not the sa interest will alightn up with each other at all times what you're describing is if you a urban quote unquote elite in toronto is not going to have the exact same interest as the urban elite in calgary as the urban elite in vancouver as the urban elite in montreal yeah that doesn't work way they're all going to be liberals who are environmentalists and are soy drinking vegans

they're all going to be vegans

all right

there is a reasonable urban divide

all right the most fundamentals what i'm saying ok i'm saying it's not as neat as you try like it's not as simple as all that

it kind of uns

the

you can what you can make what

caln you tell me what the urban elite in calgary looks like

were yeahploy the urban urban elite

are

into tech

their tech savvy

they have

guy know from soy

they are vegans

and there is round

they're trendy they're trend you have iphones

no

i don't know what that's is that a citys ho would i would notvery much like for this fream to be broadcast out in calgary and for them to hear that is that it is that a city or a town because a town is earnes city

i'm sorry

a town is rule

are they country folk living in a town

they're city people

so it's a big city

big it means one of our big cities yeh like nasal oil oil sentt so it is a

y it's a royal city it's a quartery it's a quartery of like large cities

and like just

large swaths of land

around them

right so we don't have ca let me look up caligary because we have we don't have we don't have

we don't have like a

you know

h

like multiple metrocits metropolises across the country the way that exists in the united states canada is basically like

like a literal

not literal like

literal like literal al tt or ale ribbon

in which

most people are concentrated in a band

that's close to the united states

and we're spread out very far from one another

like

many solitudes

we're not the same as you guys

like the character and geography of canada is just not the same as the u s so you can't really use the same paradigm

what party is

the mayor of caligary

what party

want to heed dounche

a

i think it he avices liberal

so caligaris are their liberals

they're city liberals i don't w don't you look up

uh who the

p s and m p p s

in the caligary

there so caligari is a conservative place

algary

like vacillates between the two

it's like it's the it's a but it's like a center right

city

for the most part

so they are they're not vegans

now this

now you will find a lot

fewer vegans in calilgary than you will in a city like toronto

so they they this is what they put in public this art piece

and you're telling you they're not liberal weirdos

but that's what our views

i don i don't know what our piece you're talking about

this house upside on you're telling me they're not liberal weirdos

in calgary

no that's where the that's where the stampede is brow

i don't know what the stamped is

sore you go tell you know what the samp is are you going tell me about the character of people who live in that city

all i have to say is that they're liberal

oh okay

sure you can say that

they are liberal

alright

it's not the most liberal probably but they're liberal generally

you say so

they vote for the liberal

there

ok what i compared to the rest of aldert here's here's here's the thing here's the thing

what okay

what political ok you asked me like you know what policies he has i said ok he's

fairly liberal right but i'm thinking liberal in terms of like

what is his leaning

what is this party affiliation hous

two

the hd nnchi the mayor of calgary what's his political affiliation it's a woman who's the mayor not a man

oh ya yeah that's right that's right that's right he actually just uh he just

on his term ended and the nlected

a new person sorry my bead what's her political affiliation

you' abslutely right sorr it's forday morning you don't know

so the thing is in canada we don't actually have

political affiliations at the municipal level

so why did you ask

i am asking because

the point i'm trying to make is that you can't

assign them a value based on a political party because they don't have political parties in alberta which is a very conservative province

right w

ah

where are you goinga find the most liberals

and i'll bert it

yeah

probably in mitson

where

edmonton

he is that a city

smaller city yeah

it's smaller

say when you say liberals like the mean like members of the liberal party of candada or liberals asn't like politically liberal socially progressive so socially progressive you'll find a lot more of them and like i've beenon

he were else

in alberta

yeah

thats

pretty much in

i

you'll find some you'll find some in caligary but not to decent that you will and emonton and then pretty much nowhere else

what about ok so in caligary

compared to rural alberta other more or less

are the more like progressive minded liberal people yeah

that

there's more

ook so that's my point

what is your point

that they're liberal in caligarry

fare to the rest of alberta

jesus christ compared to the rest of alberta but compared to the rest of canada no

because they're in a very conservative province

that's what i'm trying to say to you

so what that's because of the province

yes and

there are there are liberal but there are also liberal strongholds that are like suburban exurban and possibly even rual at times

depending on where you go in the country

for example what

much of much of the atlantic provinces in the maritimes are heavily liberalleaning even out in some rural areas

yeah you're talking about the liberal party

and

politics wise

so you're saying the rural people these rural people are like very socially progressive and wolkenshit

don't know whether the socially progressive and liberal and walk and shit what i'm saying to you is for example in america

you know saying what i'm saying to you is in those provinces in the atlantic and maritime regions they do tend to be like melean politically liberal

right and in the interior of canada in the in america

in the interior in the prairie provinces they tend to be conservative in america people like joel mansion

are elected by a very conservative electorate so there's blue dog democrats

i'm i have blue dog'm sorry

what we were getting at right now what are we talking about

the point is it doesn't change the general and just because there's few exceptions don't change that there is clearly an america

we know there's a ruleben divide between republicans and democrats we see it on the electoral maps i just if youres i just si

you explained exceptions but there's a general justin to you that even if you go out into some of the less populated and smaller cities if or even like roll towns in atlantic and maritime canada

they will generally lean liberal

is there exceptions

it's a bunch of provinces dude

how is the exceptions how many promis hey how many territories are there

how many territories in canada

how many provincesn't

nineteen

i don't know

seven

what i'm saying is

the

that

percentage of probnces that than that way are not like the outlier or vast minority

what

provinces that lean liberal

like generally like liberal in terms of politics and liberal in terms of like who they elect

are not like some outlier outlier or vast minority or the exceptions or whatever it' is just that there is a

like

generally a political divide that is made by

made up mostly by

like national geography and not necessarily based on whether they're cities or rural areas

ok ok among the ok so there's yeah whatever in quee back they're going to vote for their own shit

but each of those have their own urban liberal urban rule divide that goes across the whole country it just doesn't translate directly into

the they don't have a two party system in canada we said the n know n we don't know no we have you have tom's why ust but there's still an urban rule divide that that exactly because the blooke bequus is a very it's actually a very in a sense like a socially liberal party and they still

capture

of the majority of the vote yeah yeah but

they are they are yes the pro

because they represent quebecy's and that comes first it's an aspect

this is all you don't know if we're not talking about an urban roall divide army

its primary and secondary contradictions

the primary contradiction for quebeci's is the national whatever

aterrest

but with we're not talk so we're not talk son canada

within these provinces there's an urban rule divide

if there was an urban roll divide in terms of politics why are they all voting for the same party

because

they're representing the primary contradiction first

is there foking

pro their geography

so we're not talking about urban and rural we're talking about national affiliation

that's because canada doesn't have a two party system and it represents its different so there is no urban rurle divide in the sense that you're trying to explain it

yes there is it cuts across all of those okay a moble

are there examp for example for example are the example given example are there are divided ok

what i said from the very beginning is it's not so simple as all that right

yeah

now that we're getting into all this are you seeing it's not so simple as all that there's no i'm not a factors us a aready system doesn't mean it's not actually simple

so for example

put it

we've just explained the complicating factors come on do

keep interrupting me as why

because if you didn't w me you'd hear that i would say all you would have to do is ask each of these parties what you think of the truckers

yeah or nay is based on that earl urban rule divid

th go

and that's why there's an urban rule divide that cuts across the parties and can

if you thin so

it's like yeah what you're saying is like city people aren't liberal and farmers aren't conservatives

course they are

how do conservative farmers

they vote for overall liberal parties yeah

that doesn't change the divide being the fundamental source of contradiction

what

politics or the liberal party espusing the rural farmers who are conservative in nature would feel the need to vote liberal

wich you're the one said those rule people vote and not the party that represents their interests

because geography came first

we where in what in ok so then my question to you is w what in what geography in canada

is that true

that's what you said

you gave the example

in what geography in canada is that true

i said that there are areas of candidate that to lean liberal and vote liberal not just according to

whether they're urban or rural but simply based the fact that they will whatk provinces were you talking about

i was talking about maritime and atlantic provinces that's the one i'm talking about

oka which ones

maritime and atlantic province

what are they what are the maritime altic provinces

provinces

what do you ask once

which ones

come on dode i mean

what you meanm lead i'm leading you along is your dominant party do you understand that what are you asking me what do you mean what do you want me to give you the shape

i'm leading you along here and i'm trying to have a conversation with you to help you understand some of the stuff better but you're still trying to debate with me

and this is why i are youning this is why i'm turning it back on you and asking ok which ones because it's like it's clear that you don't really know when that's fine but like

this is why i have me only talking abot a better understanding name

the ones w you name

ok but what but you're saying the ones i name but i didn't actually name any i just said this is where they are this is what their geography is

right

but which provinces are they

re problems not are they trying to prove a point on something that i said but you're not even clear what the provinces are what does you explain the relevance of that o i'm

so the relevance is it's not as simple as an urban rule divide which is what i said in the first place it's a lot so why would it why we're talking about i the are knowoing it's more complicated than that so why we're talking about the province sence of the what relevance to talking about the provinces have as to whether it's not simple or not

n why don't you tell me sin you know everything

tommy

i don't have to know everything all i can know is that the urban rule divide is the fund you mesu're telling me that there is a because it's a human universal it's a human

because it's a human universal it's a human that

no it's not trying to prove yourself right on something and you don't it's not a problek i didn't name the exact province that random you any

you didn't name any

you can only mean i don't know what province these random fucking places are in like you know holy i didn't say i about the province is true i said i know that the rle divide cuts across the entirety of canada's parties' even tell me where it you came and tell me what the names of any places forre fully and camly explain why that's relevant or calm me explain why that's relevant

what

why exactly is that relevant why exactly is that relevant to the point explain why is

why is it relevant that

the voting patterns of people who live in urban and

rural area you know not wy is it relevant province

because you should probably know what you're talking about whyo you should know about what i'm talking about in regards to what i need exact problemce i kept saying to you was more called why is right is the exact province of your audience right is the exactksing you were having a great up you're talking about having a goodr i'm uting

this bumb fost literally shut the stock up

i got to mute you you don't know how to shut the fuck up i'm muting

why is the exact province

knowing the exact province relevant to knowing what you're talking about

in regards to knowing the urban rurle divide cuts across the parties you named a random bum fuck area and i don't know what province it's in and then you said well it's cause you don't know what you're talking about in regards to what

the exact province it's in or whether the urban rural divide cuts across party lines

it's literally that fucking simple cue

there you go he's on muted

what i'm saying he is more problicated than that

that's all i said

and that is

and knowing the province proves that proves that why

and what

knowing the process moves that whle you're saying a city in bump fuck nowhere but it's counts like one of the largest cities in in

like perry said hol saxle of the conservative party what you said halifax

were cow flaks

what did you saylifax

i said calgary that that's the only city i mentioned so far

and you saiy i don't know kansas cities and then you said what city is more liberal than that in alberta like will be the most liberal city and i said probably is here's why here's why

cities are by nature

liberal

across the whole world

it' is a human universal there are no exceptions

sorright

ah

the urban rural divide is the fundamental antagonism

that has throughout all of human history since any civilization

has driven

the class struggled

everywhere there're no exceptions

and it is that simple it's true in canada too now what form

what form in canada requires more detailed analysis

but in canada

despite that they have one two three four five major parties

this binary division cuts across all of those party lines

does it

yes it does

then why does the n d p which is probably the most like socially liberal party

get votes out in rural areas w the same reason the democratic party gets votes in rural area no northern ontario is for the most part rural and the n d p has strongholds in northern ontario

yeah so why does it have strong hoolds in northern manitoba which is also very rural

why because the n d p

it probably serves their interests in some kind of way

is it because those people are inherently ideologically liberal

have we

have we now established that it's more complicated no

no we haven't

ok

oh

oh wait someone's telling me it's because they have strong support from the first nations is that true

they have strong support from the first nations and a lot of other people

is but is the support from the first nations the reason

why they're popular there i wouldn't say is the reason i would say that that's one of the the strongholds people are selling me that is the reason but but there are other first nations communities that will also vote strongly liberal

for example out in the thunderbay region they do have liberal strongholds out there right there's where stronglds in manitoba as well

doe ok

and someone in my chat is they're saying there's a lot of first nations in the areas you just mentioned there are yes there are and what is your point

and but that's n the the n d p get support are they not rural areas yes or no the that's that doesn't refer to what rule means

what the folk do you think rural means dude what is the definition of rural we're getting it from the focking first nations not getting it from rural canadians

they get

they get

that's like that's like saying this that's like saying this and that's like talking about minorities voting for the democrats what a stupid thing

so you think there aren't any rural southerners

yes and they were a democrat be for so the characteristic of rule is also white well not i can you read n youo no i just i want to understand what is the characteristic of rule exactly does it mean white no it's about the national question black people have been excluded from the american nation

so they have entered into a special relationship for thse demograts mean what this rule mele means representing the rule part of the canadian state high agriculture low population no it's the rule part of the canadian

agricultural fuck please read mao please read stalin's the national question in the population on that's thats read stalin's national question and mao's on contradiction and you will learn i've read both the national question the national questions always the primary contradiction and it cuts across urban and rule that's the primary so the first nations you

the first nations are not part of the canadian rule the rurality of the canadian state they live in rural area because they are excluded from the because they're not part of the fucking

canadian polity you yourself know that the canadian poliicy was created by white settlers right

so

so rule refers to white people

just the same no not necessarily the same way as black people in south carolina who do real live rurally vote democrat and have established role strong because they are not part of the rurality of the american state as they're black they're not part of the rle policy

so you're saying that no because there are black people who live in rural areas and that are part of

but not as a mass as a mass or separate nations

that's the national question but the keep electing democrats

because they're a separate nation

as individuals they can be part of

the rural living in rural areas in the south or of the separate nation

yes i support the black belt theesis always have

okay

you understand the first nations are a different nation

the first nations are a different nation

we the first nations of the first nations

the're a different nation than the rest of canada the can first nations because they signed treaties with canada which enabled the the annexation of rupert's land into the dominion of canada that's completely different

yeah but they're not ar they are not

the basis of the canadian state

first ofll they have a relationship with the canadian based on a trainy or so meing first of all you're making the assumption that first nations votes are what elect

like

literally that is it that is the division the reason that m p s

from the n d p

get elected

in rural ontario is because

they hat all the first nation's thatss the're telling me

as if there are no other votes that are collected from non first nations communities

i didn't say that but are they the reason why and the play are like the are they avolting stronghold yes are they the reason no there's other people as people are contradicting you and they're telling me that they are the dle

all right

twelve

sure

like there's a whole lot of first nation support out in like northern manitoba this first nation support out in northern ontario etc ca you give me examples significant examples but are but are these are these rural areas and does thed p get votes outside of

the first nations

yes and yes

so what are you talking about are those votes the reason it's in power or is it because of the first nations

wait a minut

you you like you didn't e like o how many votes were they getting

majority votes

like off the i don't know because oft the time i'll explain to you not i am ok in a hill billy in a hill billy or town listen let me tell you something in a hillbilly town and dude dude due you in a hillbilly town in america the point is these are i have to meet you that i'm going tos i'm sick of you talking over me i'm just going to meet you

ago

in a hillbilly town in the middle of butt fuck nowhere in america

guess what

there's people who vote democrat

it's just that the democrats don't win there

now if those places were full of the first nations equivalent in america

democrats might win

but as long as you have those people

the democrats don't win

there you go

unneeded

but i'm still not sure you your point is

like you're you're

everything that i bring up you're saying well the's an exception because this so now we're arguing about whether first nation bes we because i ary we're arguing about whether g to meegain i've already the world community you he's muted again

okay so

sociologically when you're talking about an urban rural divide that is within a nation

urban rule divides and no one can hear him i don't know he's still talking is isn't crazy

wait till he realizes no one can hear him

he realize no one can hear him ok he's muted

so

the urban rule divide sociologically

is based

within nations

oky

so when you're talking about differences between nations like quebec the first nations and

the canadian nation or whatever

you are not

talking about one

urbanity one rurality you are talking about

several that cut across nations

the primary contradiction is always national

when i ask you for rule and you tell me about the fucking first nations you know that's not what i fucking mean and then you go old you just mean white people

it's dishonest

no it's not because they're white it's because of their historical relationship with the canadian state

yes majority are white

rule canadians as i'm defining it

but that's not because they're white it's because of

which you no you literally say this canadians founded as a settler colony

of europeans and that has historically been the case

that's why they're the basis of the canadian state

you wouldn't even disagree with that

so we's just dishonest we don't take into account these national considerations

simple as that

unmuted

do you know what proportion

of

any of those federal ritings set indigenous people

net mind just first nations but indigenous people period make up

were

no

i don't know like say like uh like like's say like nicky at but abt nicky ashton's writing right

what what do you mean writing

yeah the writing like the okay so you call them districts we call them writings

right like this

okay

so churchill

manitobla right

yeah

a which is where say you like thanky ashon like it's a well known

nd p member of parliament

yeah

are you aware

what percentage

the warning populice

first nations communities make up

no

are you also aware that one of the largest first nations communities

m

decided to break liberal

in the previous election

that you want anyway

they didn't vote liberal in the liberal won anyway

the one of the largest first nations communities the in the writing

on

what broke liberal like they said publicly they're supporting liberal

p ym

but

she ended up pointing anywhere

is it as simple as like first nations communities vote n dp

no

w the nd p is the liberal party

no the indep new democrat party like the are like less progressive they would be like close to like you living c o cs and the are liberals

i mean sure in the sense this is intro liberal division

m okay so

it would be like the al sas and yeah i know it's intra liberal division

i'm talking about they said they're voting for the like the capital l liberal party of canada like yeah in the r and i broke ind p anyway

so it's not as simple as

these first nations communities it just vote and it is because a liberal party won anyway it's not a fucking conservative party that w no but

a conservative party we your poink you're getting tripped up on the distinction between like liberal as like a

the a liberal like a capitalist paul liberal party liberal as a political party the liberal party

and that other the n d p and it both of those are not story o those parties i know they're both liberal parties we both represent urban liberal elites

f sure if you want to say so all right

but what i'm trying to say to you is

uh there's

and he

ended up winning the writing regardless of the fact that the

more than one of the first nations declared that they were voiding

liberal or that they supported the libalarity oficially right

so

so is is is is that a feature of urban rule divide or is that more a feature of

political like

u political lines within communities

i about trying to say to you

what i'm trying to see injure and divide that's not divide within youre what i'm trying to say to you is that our preferences for parties and re for politics are more geographic in nature than simply urban rural so i've been try to say to you the whole time

would be ok withen deep and the fact that we e wk ok along with the en w

be kind of like trying to walk you through it

kind of sholds you that it is more complicated especially it's not because explain why it's not

ok i'll explain why the

with the n g p can explain to me why i not i'm going to with the hell of writing

would the n d p be more likely to align

with the conservative party or the liberal party when push came to sholf go ahead

the

and p is actually in line with the conservative party on

confidence votes

because they're in the opposition

yeah

when push came to shove though would they at wll thirs ores push come to shove mean that when they to make like be in a coalition with who would they prefer

they said that they will not engage in a coalition with anybody

if they had to be in a coalition with anyone who this is the question this is a question that has been like existing in canadian politics for as long as i've been alive they will not engage in a coalition

if they had to

would it be the conservatives or the liberals

i'm

i'm telling you

this is there's no point and what do they like more do they like more

what is it

who do they like more

yeah libert like neither of them

who do they like more

t

they don't know

i'm trying to fance you they don't like either of them

who do they like more

i don't know because they

ok

you don't know when when when when when the n d p formed the official opposition for the first time right

yeah

the they actually voted along with the conservatives the majority of the time

is wen there in opposition

the official opposition to the conservatives

on the conservatives

yeah

and when the conservatives foreign government in the n d p was the official opposition

they acto were voting along with the conservatives

a significant portion of the time

on what issues

um i have to go back and i mean everythinge that's not from where the conservatives n everything from everything from um budgets to social welfare bills and so forth and the conservatives were anti

social effer or pro

uh they re so they reorganized some social welfare programs

uh they cut the g s t that is like on

uh there's like a federal tax that they cut down where they nel libs or were they protectionist like nixon

so

the conservatives yeesh

um they kind of swing between both like depending on what the issue that would explain wh the new democratic party is

voting for some of their policies

but

when

right now specifically right so what were you asking me then

what i'm asking you is

is an ende simple

who is more likely ok ask you a question

who's more likely to swing n d p a liberal or n d p a conservative or vice versa

there has literally been both

yeah there's been both what are more like there really been no there's been and and p ars who have gone conservative and there have been andd i didn't ask you if there's been cases which is more likely

would you what is more likely i'm explain to you what has actually happened

but what's more revalent i'm not denying that i'm not denying a moose a woman gave birth to a moose one day i don't care

i every weird thing happens in life tell me what is more likely

it's

maybe i'll sit out a moose to night an

maybe that will happen what is more likely is it a like hasn't happened ok so far it hasn't happened but i tell you what has happened is that there have been ndy peers that have gone conservative and theres i don't care is that i don't care mean you know is it

like there's been conservatives that ent republicly other i've explained this is how a rational person or a normal person response ok

so if i say

who is ok so who's have there been and your isse like ord i have to meet you i muted him

so who is more likely to vote for

the democrats

is it going to be a suburban democrat sorry

vote for democrat is it going to be a suburban republican

or is it going to be like a republican truck driver or something and then you're like well i know of truck drivers who have voted for the democrats

i don't ask you if there's truk i just you which onees like more likely include the answer is it's the suburban republican that's more likely to join the lincoln project and swing democrat

so that's how you answer a question

now

is the n dp more like the liberals or the conservatives

well we can see that the n d p s critique the liberals for not being tough enough on vaccine mandates

so it seems like there's a very strong binary division

along wich all these different parties

are

basing themselves off

that's

no

no because the n d p actually ran to the right of the liberals and closer to a conservative

policy mandate or policy

platform

in the two thousand and fifteen election

the ndp were actually more conservative than the liberals were

on on what questions

on immigration like child child care budgeting

o

social welfare program

immigration

so those are are those true were those like

when you say child welfare and shit

are you saying like it or increase it

but

uh uh sorry what

she does servitors want to cut or increase that

a all of them were promising some sort of like a child benefit program ok so those are traditionally left policies right

y

yes and so the conservatives are more liber erals had the most liberals had essentially the most progressive platform in two thousand and fifteen

this on ty left the standards like it so it vacillates depending on the

like who was in charge of the party and what there he just sid are like a o c

generally you

so generally speaking

they would be more progressive ok so

economic issues

generally on ok social issues they have been

more on the

like progressive side

on economic isisues they do kind of tend they waver back and forth and i tell

what's up this is something i got from our first conversation

you are like the most untrustworthy person to ask about its a matter of unrust you ask questions is thataus i'll go no you know what it is you ask questions and answers that aren't i'll nt reality i'll never get reality i'll never get reality from all and when i try to explain to you how complicated they are you get upset about it life is simple in general

no it isn't

i promise you if i s ok i'm ok tomorrow i'm going to spend thirty minutes looking all this shit up and it's going to become very simple going to be like that simple just simple answers

it's always a binary life is a binary and research the history of canadian politics in half an hour more power to if i spend half an hour on this show i will know everythings probably simple is that you'll find answers that you want to find and then discard the rest which is well no i'll fine conversation

you talking to you talking to you makes it feel like

there's no reality out there it's all just nuance and nothing's all the trucker thing is not a big deal all the tw on twitter

they did the it's not a bunch of hate it's just a bunch of nuance oh i wasn't it's like you just gaslight it's a youre living gaslight again you're a gaslighter you invent things that you think people said and then you argue with that instead

does any canadian want to simplify shit no but no one in this conversation said any of those things you said that does any canadian want to come in here just simplify the whole thing

because this is all nuance mongering and it's a waste of time and you're asking me questions that don't have simple answers and they get upset when i tell you what the answers are

n know the answers are very simple and if you were do dot even know what the name of fucking provinces are what a writing is are you going to tell me anthing simple when you listen simple you can't your country is thirty eight million ps like that and you want to you have a country of less than forty million people you're not worth studying in depth then anyway if you have any curiosity or questions about it why bother asking me

because i'm trying to i'm trying to arrive at a point and you keep obstructing it with your obtuse answer says you don't because you know very well that people in the new democratic party are more like fucking liberals not conservatives you just know that you know they're more like the liberals that's why they win in places over the liberals

like that fucking example you gave you can't just admit that simple things

if they're like the liberals then why is it that for this exception in that exception is it for example that a liberal

can almost never get elected in alberta but n d p or can why is it likely that the n d p will win the next albertan election

but not a liberaly did why was bernie more likely to win over some of these republicans and clint alberta

alberta which is a heavily conservative province and is almost all right now why will the n d p likely win the next election

why does bernie have a better chance among trump voters

ok can were does were does bernie run and win

bernie had a better chance among the trilders

i'm said that doesn't change the fact or did you run and whin

he was way more popular among trump voters

where where where geographically where when but he gots true i'm saying michigan michigan the midwest

sia

oky

tax taxes

no

well

albert has often been compared to canada's texas so my question is

why would the n d p

sound a very good chance of winning

because bernie's on environmental is the what's the n d p s environmental use

for the most part they are like sustainable energy ok then how are they winning in alberta how are they winning in alberta when alberta is based on oil

yeah

weird day

how does that work

i don't know you tell me

who's voting for n d p in alberta is it the city people

there's a lot of people

voting for the inde pen alberta who

ih there are people that live in like

i

what's it called fort marray there are people that are voting in pedmonton that are voting in caligary that are voting in red deer that are going to end up voting in the nd or the n d p

like

there's people from all over the map

so it's edmonton and it's other city people

well i'm naming like locations right red deer is not like city red deer is rightre is not it's this here is not the sd be he and is not urban by any stretch likely it's t metropolis the two metropolises in

alberta are caligary and edmonton

pretty much right

and the ight that's more going tominder the mart

the remainder aur towns

the rest is gonna tip it for

those places are going to tip it for fucking

i mean

did you know what they were before you even mentioned them

yes

itight

we talked about edmonton and

caligery

no n no but i just mentioned a few others

nine

there is

those other cities don't matter

y

i got

on no

you notice i'm trying to arrive at a point throughout this whole thing and you just keep i know that you're trying to arrive at a point yes i wt you're upset that i'm complicating it but i'm trying to tell you is youre you are every time i like i'm trying to i got to say you is not as simple as sile device yeah that's what you're just trying to overly fucking nuance monger no you never wanders

yeah you anticipate the point i'm trying to make and then you needlessly complicated because you like i don't want you to make that point that is more likere with you would make it or not i'm just saying that it's not correct

a interactive map of the twenty twenty one

federal elections in fact check

let's check it out

a

don't want to waste all this fuck

tie

let's look at this

the liberals won

and

so we got all these places

alright

what a focking mass

it's all is

so let who's the conservatives

jertas are blue

draw conservatives

yeah

and we're going to go to alberta

right here

and by along ok let's check caligry

so there's one place in caligary where they voted

were n d p what are you looking at right now

you look matter

yet you're looking at a federal map

yes

federal ok

do you know how many writings there are

in alberta

it looks like this is edmonton another place where the orange and you know how many

o

he's orang is and want orange is the new democrats only in edmonton they won their

federally federally i'm talking about provincially albertaing rule

let's go to band

a

wow these guyst shit on here

o

wow they get shit on here you're looking at a federal wow they get shit on here

wow they get shit on roll election i'm tllse are big margin every single one i click they're all the conservatives big margin and right now you're looking at the wrong map

this is the federal map

i'm talking about the provincial election

who give the funck when it's the federal election that matters way more in defining just that's what i said do you understand why the n d p will be likely to win the next provincial election that's what i said

ok but in the federal elections it seems like all the rule people are voting blue

and all this and that there's more proportion of city people than most the other why

so provincially why do they so we have some shit stains of the lebschitz here

a dotted stain go to the caligery we got another big shit stain of the liberals

oh

what else this place these are more close you know with a lot eventual election the n d p got something like forty percent of the popular vote this was storight in two thousand and fifteen because they didn't win in

of the previous election the u c the conservative party one but prior to that

right when the nd p won and they're likely to win again

they got something like forty percent of the popular vote and like north of fifty seats so like the

overwhelming majority of seats

right

think they want a majority

o

gam

so

and at the time there was like

i want to see the map for that one

go pull up the math for that one

someone link that the one for that they won but they won overfifty gas lighting to read it again but let's see the map for that one

go pull up the bat for the two thousand and fifteen i don't know where to fuck and find it

and can the guy who found this soman go look

seriously like somebody go google the two thousand and fifteen election results for alberta

alberta

alberta two thousand and fifteen

provincial election map

okay

we see a map

then who are the greens

the parties the wild rose parti so it looks like here anybody right no wild s i bet yeah in the provincial election random ass parties wild

the wild rose got

like

i want to say somewhere between like eighteen and twenty seats or something like that the conservative party is not even here where's the conservative no no the conservative party because back then they were called the

the progressive conservatives right

o

and we they get ended up split

hold on they ended up splitting up

like between

so the pcs experienced like a party schism at the time

and split into like the pese and the wild rose

and then in the previous election

all of those parties recombined into the united conservative party the u c p

so it's a differenent so you're saying the w democratic party won because the conservative split

no because they they took they took more votes than the combined amount of both parties so both the wild rose and the pcs didn't even come close to beating the n d p in terms of their total seat count

and deep so it wasn't because of this lit this one

and here

find edmonton and caligery are obviously overwhelming for the new the new democratic party

no shockers there but i mean obviously look at the federal map for calgary and tell me how blue it is

i think there's actually svery goy liberals are compared to the rest of the

and it that's much s but but how it's much closer are you fucking etting if you go to if you go to alberta you know what to talgrees i'll choose any a you knowver sai do't compose but this is very weose this is close

the if these guys combined

they wouldn't even win this is a minority

no it's close a minority government

i'm telling you they want a majority in the last in the in the election that they actually wont in two thousand and fifteen it yeah but you don't see

the conservatives shit on everyone else in caligry like they do in the urban in the rural places down do you

what

you don't see them just getting shit on like in the rule places now do you

they won fifty three ritings

ok

it

how many

how many writings are there in caligren and pot ok listen because nd p got more than i'm going to tell you that

my simplified cavemanship is just the truth

in the cities they're going to vote more for these lipshit they won fifty they won more than fifty writings which means they won more than just the cities

who did

the nd p did in two thousand we're not talking about that we're talking about the fucking

how many voted conservative in fucking caligry in the federal election

so

um

the yeah it's clear that the goy the it's clear the nz p were on more rural areas

but the majority of rural areas went to that fucking wild rose shit and the the blue guys the

beast

what yeah look at the mat are you looking at the writing maps or just like how big the writings are like are you looking at the individual writings because the n d p we more than fifty of them

out of out of how i just they weren't just running and they weren't just putning in cities

oky but

the majority of these fucking ridings went to wild rose

are not writings these these boxes or whatever the fuck went to the blue and the green

sure

those n d p areas had big towns in them relatively big towns yeat doesn't surprise me

so here the rule the same urban rule divide is there edmonton it's brown is shit

if that is true then why did they get selcked in the last election

why did they get what

you're ok you're saying it's ok you're saying there's an urban rale divide right

so if if the same towns could break for the n d p in one election and then break for the conservatives in the next

like why why if they were liberal leaning big towns why then did they just

w ahead and vote conservative in the next election

oh in the federal election

no in the provincial election the what year was that one we

two thousand and nineteen two thousand

to the

nineteen yeah ok

two thousand and onineteen i'll literally show it so here's the united conservative map right

yah

ok

you look at this map

holy shit it is blue

dark blue select i told you that and then i zoom in on edmonton

and all of a sudden it's very ten i hold you dmonton was a liberal iized ok and then i go to caligary and look look what you know all what about all of the other writings that voted for n d p in the previous like the two thousand and fifteen election that swung conservative instead

how do you explain that

why would they be

if if they were liberal and urban why would they for the most part because the p c party prior to the reason why was in rural areas voted for was being in hower for almost as long as i'd been alive only shit the d but p c the p cs were on challenged in alberta

thisange holy fox such a waste of time

you have a very clear map where the city people are voting more for the n d p and everyone else is voting for the fucking conservatives

and then they voted conservative the next election

like they had previously to th conservative the next election

the same cities i'm looking at twenty nineteen right now

edmonton

you have way more proportion of

new democratic party same with calagreer

for where the conservatives do win in caligary it's very light blue

not dark blue which means

it's much closer the cat the collections are much closer

you don't see these very dark blues like here in the cities

so even when the conservatives do win in caligry it's much less than the bucking rural areas

calighary as i've said to you several times caligary and edmonton

or they don't compose

more than fifty writings

i don't care

why do the writ in yourn so what i'm saying what i'm saying is your your assertion that it's the urban rule divide's responsible for the n d p even having a chance at winning is not true beyt in this and the

ok so then how do you explain that they lost all of those votes in the next election

and the this is the twenty nine thousan election so this is the latest election right to two thousand and fifteen the p cs were pretty much on challenged by anybody is the fucking twenty onine thousand election i'm looking at ok

that

they were

they were winning

i know you're looking at two thousand and one thousen i'm talking about the entire history of a what you mean the next election this is the latest election

okay

so what next election

there's

there's another election coming up that the n d p is likely to win

how do you know

because that's what the polls say

okay

here's what someone's telling me they won in twenty fifteen because a lot of people were disillusioned with the conservatives

the nd p proved they weren't

for shit and then in twenty nineteen

they unch back to the conservatives

what

when you look at the map urban leans more to n d p than anywhere else

okay

so that's an urban rule divide

there are

there are two urban areas that we've talked about

what about everywere else

these are the most significant cities in alberta but they don't compose more than fifty writings between them

why does that matter

what does that mean does that mean they don't have enough population means they're getting votes outside of the major urban centers as on i'm trying to explain to you

and you can just simply say yes cause that's what happened n p got roled in this election

i in two thousand and fifteen n urbin cent

even when they got the only reason we're even talking about this in the first place sce i informed you what happened in two thousand

i know that in twenty fifteen

rural areas voted for the fucking and d p so let's move past you that's what i'm trying to sy i know that i never denied that e and what i did say washed in the next election di what i did fucking say

is that regardless of who regardless of who wins

the cities lean more toward the n d p i know that and the rural areas lean more conservative

okay

so there's an urban rural divide in alberta

apologi then they would be able to pick up votes or win that's not true there is a general urban rule divide sometimes they can go past it and

but there's an urban rule divide the fact that i'm arguing with you about this is fucking stupid

you because you argue aout everything you can't simply say ok i didn't know that no i didn't know because i looked at the fucking map i looked at this map from twenty fifteen you could simply say he you know what' school din't know that good to know you din't know what i did't know this

i never denied it i looked it up wany of this until i told you

it was on my fucking screen it was on my falking screen this whole time why was it on your screen to begin with because i told you about the quirk that is alberton elections no because then i told you q i told you

i told you

even in his focking map

you see the majority of rural areas the majority of them

ire with that wild rose party and the fucking progressive conservatives

northern

yes look at the mat how many how many at this ma how many writings are there in alberta the majority of them could not have been because it was a majority government

look at this fok on my screens on the look at this map on my screen look at this map on my screen

ok what map

on my stream look at it

ow hold up

okay uh

the are your member

gravel

hang on

alright

what about that

what do i say

i see n d p writings and i see

wid those writings

is there more green

in this map

it is impossible for them to be more green because they wan a majority

like it seems to me like you're discounting areas like um

red dear and lovebridge etcetera

red deer in lethbridge

are smith e cetera etcetera right

these this yes these are urban as also hold on that you're also hold up you're also accounting northern

sure

here towns

the roop

you thim

they're not metropoliss they're outside the major i known but their towns this is a betain and then look at and then look at northern alberta

there

northern alberta is divided

and

the right here it's like

new democratic party i got it

i call it a heavy green on the right hand side and then in the middle there's a

fuck you finger right

sure so ok i think what ok remember when i said before i think what you're looking at is like the size of the the writings

and assuming that that means anything compared to the number of writings remember i said that

and i'm looking at the screen right now that's exactly what you're doing

yeah majority of

are rural areas

were for the conservatives are there not still rural areas and i'm looking right i don't gt yet there are al area rual areas that voted n d p yes or no yes but the majority did not ok then that me the majority did notor did not but the majority did not but the majority did not therefore there's anober rule divide

if the if what you're saying was true then there wouldn't be any

that's not true because there canill what kind of fucking dialectics is that that's like saying if there's a division between the proletariant and the bugeoisie then there can be no proletarians who side with the bugis you not see that and there can be no wo side with the proletarian just so that they were about evenly divided right

no

ok there is that

do we do we want to count the writings

q

the majority of rural areas

leaned conservative

ok

and there were many rural areas that didn't

majoritying some of the ones including some of the ones that are in the lower left hand corner of your mouth the majority

the majority the majority leaned aservtive medicine had is not ok

the majority how does met ok medicine hod is not like a major urban center du

so you're leaving this by saying there's no urban rural divide

i am leaving this by saying that

as i've said since the very beginning

it is more complicated than a simple urban rural divide

that's what i said

you literally don't say anything you there's no reality binding i have literally just said it's more complicated than urban rule divide

this is like someone when you ask them

who is stronger men or women you go all around a rousyh can you actually just answer a question not what we're talking about i'm a space alien i'm a space alien i'm a space alien i'm a space alien who is stronger men or women

but

i'm a space alien i want to know about the human species who's stronger men or women

why are we talking about this answer can you answer that question

know what this is you can you can't you can listen you can listen that's because theion are because around the ro right jus because around the rosing men generally physically stronger than women yes does it have any bearing on the conversation we're having right now no because you just can't answer simple questions around the bush try to make things simple and they simply aren't and i've explained ok listen

every part of this conversation like timate in politics i have led you there and then you've done

furious gouggling or your chat has told you stuff which i assume because i'm seeing your chat for the first time now i'm seeing how fast it's moving right so

i'm assuming people are telling you stuff

but i'm leading you there in the first place and then we end up arguing about it because you can't just simply say oh ok i didn't know that

what did i do not know what did i not know

you didn't even know what a fucking riding waslisted

i don't know that's not know you didn't know about the provihnc what is the at hand what does that have to do with the back nationalism and why they've why

why they vote for a socially talking about i don't know about quebec nationalism s fuck up you liar i didn't know about ba and how b difently democratic party even in rural areas like that wasn't the thing that we were yes i did want to q

sir i did but i still knew that i still knew that majority of rural areas don't vote for that party

a sirre

you

just listen we're having this conversation because i

brought you here in the first place and now you're just arguing about it

you brought me here because i'm showing you how i even here in the first place because you asked me about the urban rural divide i said is not as simple as all that which and it turns out it is it turns out it is turns out it is which surpriss out it is a simple as all that turns out it is because i can you didn't even know what the fuck of leftbridge alberta was until i brought this up

you don't know what the left hand side of my own asses it doesn't fucking matter anything you say i have no concerns about your you can name all these bum fuck places i don't give a shit

it has nothing you which is ok i know you don't care and i'm explaining to you yeh when you say i don't care about the name of a specific town in the middle of albertab the name you didn't even know any of these places existed until the explained to you that they exist

i didn't know it's hey i said to you that in areas like northern ontario and northern alberta ec w they tend to vote in d p in alberta the they're poised to win the next election and all like we've been talking about all this stuff your stupdy is so tragic it can make someone cry so trig three five minutes after i bring it up then you want to argue with me about it which tells me that

people are feeding you the answers which is fine so i have to meet him i have to meett the phone ca ok you could just simply say yeah i'm going to meet m i'm going to know

so

you seem to be confused what i do know is that the urban rural divide is the fundamental contradiction of canadian politics the fact that you have shown me a map

where an urban otherwise urban party made inroads among a minority or at least

a significant minority of rural areas does not change the overall tendency

that rural areas lean more conservative and urban areas

lean more

let's say liberal or progressive whatever the fuck you want to call it that fundamental point has not been challenged now you've thrown at me all of these names and you didn't know about the name existing before you didn't know the name existed before that has nothing to do with the fucking point that was under the dispute at hand i didn't even i could have not even known what alberta was

and it still says nothing about the level of my knowledge of the fundamental contradiction

whether it was simple or not and that's what we were fucking debating on it

me not knowing about lethbridge

has absolutely no bearing on the claim that i made that the urban rule divide is fundamental and how do i know it's fundamental because it's a human universal

i can look at a map of

cambodia and know that it's fundamental i don't have to know anything about cambodia's election districts or pro

provinces just like how marxist actually will say the class struggle is the motor of history

so what you're doing is call popper's

a positivistic or whatever

of empiricism where you're saying how can marxist profess knowledge over things

without empirically knowing the details first

how can knowledge of that kind be possible

but the truth is that

our knowledge of empirical reality is structured in a fundamental way already

right

so you're trying to make it seem like because i don't know the name of provinces

i can't know anything about how this politics works

that sounds like it makes sense because if you don't know the name of the provinces how can you know anything

because i know that the urban rule divides a human universal which also applies to canada

it's as simple as that

and now you're saying oh i led you here and now you're shifting the goalpost no i'm not my fucking point stands

simple as that

say anything about you thing go plus

six

when you do weird things like

i don't know talk in a high pitched voice when i'm saying to you like hey you didn't really know about this stuff before i mentioned it ok i'm going to meet you again to ask you a question

this is the question

what exactly did i not know that was relevant

to the debate what exactly did i not know that was relevant to the debate go ahead

you didn't know about canadian politics

specifically what did i not know about canadian policy ok so we talked about like conservative versus i literally address this argument i address this arg of the quest i just want to talk over me dude like you're muting me because you don't want me to talk over you and then you just continue to talk right over me because you want to monopoly spit itu spit it up

what did i not know you asked me you asked me about weether

canada in the towns and are conservative or liberal based on whether they're

you have the number generally speaking

right no you do say generally speaking you just say i did because that's what it implies there's exceptions to everythingpa aain imuted him again

is it did i not imply generally speaking when i accepted that there's exceptions even among the democrats i told you there's exceptions there's always exceptions i'm looking for the general rule

which is why it's fucking simple the general rule

just like how men are stronger than women generally yeah you have rondarousi generally men are stronger

same frocking thing

so what did i not know specifically that there were exceptions you think i couldn't infer that there were exceptions when i even literally told you there's even exceptions among the democrats in a two party fucking system that's almost entirely divided defined by an urban rual divide

of course there's exceptions in everything there's exceptions to anything some roses are not red

some

marxs

in the west have a brain

those are all exceptions

go ahead

oh i'm sorry you want me to talk now

based on what i just said

and if you make me repeat what i just said

you have conceded

thans

thed

i'm telling you laate

what did i not know ican

what

what did i not didn't know about you didn't know how canadian politics functions what you didn't know specifically because i didn't know our writings

no not because you just didn't know the writings you didn't know how canadian politics function give me an example of how i didn't know that

okay

so you asked me about the urban rule divide i said it's more complicated th that i said and i denied it's complicated and i turn out to w right to answer the question i just want to keep talking

go ahead

you you said that there is an urban rule divide ass more complicated there's actually geographies and nationalism involved and you said but that doesn't matter

this is the yeah and i said because i sa do you want me to like recap because you're asking me

you're lying you're a fucking liar no you're a liar

o oallet

ck we had your fuck and liar i literally fuck and cited w in stalin that the national question was primary the primary contradiction n fuck and lie and say that i didn't address the national realities which i fucking did

ok

but even then the urban rule divides

did

i said and then i said there are areas especially in

atlantic and

a maritime canada

where it actually cuts across those divides

and i said oh yeah here's an interesting quirk like check out alberta and this is what happened in alberta

and it still didn't did it stll didn't it improve anything

and i said this is what happened in northern ontario and northern manitoba and you found excet it was the first nations it wasn't a rual nations all form part of the rual poltic sos no reason like there's basically a loophole around everything that i say don't give me that fucking shits i have given you an exact reason for everything you're basically saying that first nations and the people who vote n d p don't actually constitute part of the b sociologically they're not

canadians soologically they're not sociologist would say this is the canadian rule population rule means white to

no to any sociologist on we were running in fucking circles i literally said it's not because they're white it's because the it's because it's the relationship to the historical canadian state

finally q the whole fucking point heres you keep saying well has you seem to have an argument for everything i'm saying because you're wrong and i'm right that's why i have an argument when you give me an exception and i seem to have an example the fact is you can't prove it's rule oh now you're saying the frustations aren't rule that's not a stretch that's common sense

ok

my general point

has been vindicated

overall

rule goes conservative

urban

goose

liberal

now there may be exceptions to that

but the general tendency remains true

it's that fucking simple

at no point you're saying oh you keep shifting a go poson and keep finding loopholes

because you're not right q you're just not right all of the exceptions can be explained because there are exceptions that's how exceptions work

the reason why they deviate from the general norm can be rationally explained that's not a loophole

it's justifying why there's a contradiction in the first place and why there are exceptions to the manifestation of that contradiction

there you go youon uda

think i understand you now

not like like the reason that you have to keep muting me right is because

keep saying the same thing ignoring everything th know because because i'm recapping what you're saying and you don't like the fact that it started off in an area that you weren't knowledgeable on and i kept

dragging you intoth areas where i said hey there's a bit of an exception here and this is what we're talking about i didn't know the name of certain provinces and i rightt that up because you literally didn't know what writings and what certain cities were the ares cares i turn out to writers

turns out i did know q i did know everything

i did know everything

i and that's what i'm saying i understand you now like your need to be right on everything is kind of like what drives you when i and oky why and and why this fundamentally

fundamentally i did know everything that was relevant to disput you didn't actually know shit until i started explaining it to you

what shit did i not know that there was an exception in twenty fifteen some the political characteristics of this country until i started explaining them to you

really like what political characteristics

i'm not going to recap again i like the n d p was more like a o c and the liberals were more like the democrats

generally sure

yeah and on what look yeah i didn't know all of these details necessarily ha yeah i'm

i'm just reaching a point where i don't care because this is now this has been a conversation for the last several hour you don't care and rice is what i'll say

this is you don't know how to shut up i mutity

listen

this is what he doesn't understand

i may have not known all these fickle inessential details

b

what i did know as relevant to the debate was that there was a simple urban and rural division in canada

now does that division manifest itself

through the five parties that they have yes

so as it was relevant to the debate i knew everything

the details he's talking about were inessential details they were not essential to the debate

they were like these inessential side details to give form to the essential point which i did know

it's litningly a difference between empiricism

and a dialectic view an empiricist view

thinks that

an essential point is bounded up with all of the empirical details

as if you can't know anything

without it being enmeshed with the empiricals it's not fucking true you can know that all history is the history of class struggle

without knowing all of history

you can be a historical materialist and know that historical materialism is going to be confirmed

without knowing every historical context with which the method is going to be applied

this guy doesn't know what he's talking about when he says things like you didn't know he doesn't have an epistemology of marxist

but of anglo canadian empiricist

unmuted

marks an angel's head

plenty of historical knowledge what do you mean

the and yet they didn't know everything about history they didn't simply make they were they didn't simply make assertions

likela

ad hoc

and then draw their conclusions to fit those assertions

that's literally what they did

wait they literally did not know everything about history and yet they k ever why did they make sweeping claims about all of history then

they made sweeping claims about ali of history because they knew plenty of history to be able to draw from in the first place

they literally did not we don't even know a fraction of actual human history

okay

we know like nothing about human we don't know what fuckin happened

we literally don't even know shit about human history and yet

like there's new shuld being uncovered all the time yet they made these general ok the point i'm trying to make is that they still knew plenty of history like they drew from historical so so what

and so what so what

in order to draw their conclusions but so what is the knew what those events were to draw the conclusions from them

but the know because the general when they came to general conclusions that all history was the history of class struggle even before knowing a great deal about history before marxinangl studied india

before they studied india or china or the middle east

they said that

and yet when they drew their exceptions especially like on the continent of africa for example right they actually had to know something about it before they said hey there's possibly an exception here and here's why they never if there's an exception to the thesis when angls had to study the cherokee nation

right when he when he had to study like the two onempum treaty before he delt into his theory of the family

he had to know about it first didn't he

the theory of the family is based on a detail

when it comes to their thesis that all histor shut the fock up literally i'm muting this falking guy

the history of all history

sorry

all history being the history of class struggle was not just some detail based on empirical evidence it is something they appli to all of history before knowing shit about

specific

historical events they didn't know anything about the cherokees in know anything about

india or china or anywhere else and they drew a general conclusion before knowing anything why because they weren't empiricists

it's that fucking simple

this was coming from hegelian german idealism

it was not based on empirical details which are infinite

and yet knowledge is finite

and knowledge does not

finitely approximate infinite empirical wealth

knowledge is human finite knowledge

empirical details with which the details of knowledge can be applied is infinite

according to you we cannot know anything about anything because we can never know enough

there you go

is that what i said

yt you said they took exception sometimes they never took exception to what was fundamental of their method and of their thesis ha is that what again this is one of those things where you invented a thing that i said because you think is what i mean the urban rural divide being a fundamental motior of politics is the equivalent of saying all history is the history of class struggle

sure

and the reason for that by the way is because of what

urban rule even refer to refers to the limits of a polity

urban refers to the policy's manifestation and realization in the most immediate sense

urban is the head rule is the body it's a fucking human universal ok i don't care dude

so don't fucking sit here and say you don't even know what i'm try to ok what i'm trying to to try to explain to you is that before you make a sweeping claim about a thing it helps to know about a thing

right

no because i was right anyway

right

the then then don't learn shit do do you don't i literally learn nothing from this but n know i know you're learning anything from this because you you're determined not to learn period but i'm saying what i learned is all of his green and

this

what i'm saying is here if you don't want to learn things hey don't learn things that's fine that's your business and i don't care there's nothing to learn from this

there's nothing for you to learn period because you don't like learning from i know i know now that lethbridge voted for n d p in twenty fifteen wow that's nd it isn't matter

you i't going to forget that you know that's not real knowledge because i'm going to forget it tomorrow

it does it does i'm going to forget me think hey i mean i'm saying to you in the grand schm things none of this matters anyway

tomorrow i'm going to forget red here is this tters because we will all be dead

two

i'm going to forget red deer existed tomorrow

i don't care this is not important knowledge to have don't care what you knowor what you don't know it's not important knowledge to have it's not impor knowledge to have that's your i don't care that's your business dude

is it important knowledge for me to know resier exists

you have this think this need to be right i don't know if it's like

i don't know if it's you or if it's for your stream in your audience

there's this thing where it's like

you cannot simply admit

hey

maybe i should know about a thing

or hayes thanks thanks for lett me know

it doesn't exist for you because you need to be right about everything and to be honest like

i can see that this was a tremendous waste of my time because i came on here to have a conversation you want to have a debate

and in a debate you want to be right about everything you can't concede things because in order to

wanted to be

you can't concede and what should i concede

which is i don't care what you concede or not going to see nothing i should ca listen i don't want you to concede things because i want to because i didn't know medicine had existed i'll concede i didn't know medicine had he's what you're not here i didn't want you to add so relevant to theversation

dude medicine hat existing is a very relevant in the development the reason that you have to keep muting me because you don't want you want me to concede things and i'm like

i don't want you to concede anything

i wanted to have a conversation with you

but the entire time has been an argument because you want to be right about shit

and i don't have to want to be something that's oubjectively tru the whole point is i

we know

tremendous waste of my time and energy

be why are you still here then what's what are you trying to prove

i'm not trying to prove anything

the only think the only thing that i wanted to do was be able to wrap up this conversation to say listen agree to disagree

and be able to do that civilly

but every time i try to

lead you there or at least try to get there and i've been saying this and several times

oh yeah i agree with this or all right not put thisment talk you t i will never not beingitory about these thingss caause i just want to be able to wrap up the conversation ok i'm going to wrap it up with this my final closing statement

you have a precedent

of siding with the woce mob on twitter conveniently you see that and until i see a single example becae you don't like a frank the ener sure you give out bro sure you give negative energy to all kinds of people you don't like getting it back and then you get all hurt about it no no i don't get hurt i just i just will see was my enemy got hurt that's that's why you get all mad in your street if you join my enemies when i'm at worre with them you're my enemy su warding get everyonet to attack pe

i got i got' hurt this guy

so q i actually don't get hurt when you give me back that energy but you're taking aside and i'm not going to treat you as a friend when you do that

ok

h you could just stay neutral or stay out of it when you jump in and give me back the energy i put out to my enemies who deserve that energy because i'm just defending myself anyway that's all i've ever fuck anded done is defend myself against them

you're my fucking enemy

and this is my final closing statement

i don't respect you

until you can show give a single example

of you

ever going against that woke mob for the sake of your principles and what you believe in

and risking getting ratioed and all that shit

nothing you say is ever going to be trustworthy you'll never do that

you've had a chance to prove what kind of fucking man you are

you prove that you're the type

that panders to these i don't know if you're doing it because you want these women to like you or some shit

which you know

i could somewhat even more respect if it wasn't for who they were

but

it's clear to me

that when we're done with this conversation

i could do what i did before and be conciliatory in shit with you

then you're just goinga go back on twitter and talk shit about me to your eighty thousand followers

so at the very least when you're here

with my followers

i get to talk shit about you

that's just how foccon works

i'm sick of this fake shit where you come here and be nice to me

then go back on twitter and be a fuckin asshole

that's my closing statement

i'll give you a chance to give yours

do you think any of that was conciliatory whatsoever

no

like

no it wasn't you know why

because you needed to be right

again

the only times that we've like had a back and forth exchange

was when you're going out to somebody that's a friend of mine

and

i doon't see why it's wrong for me to return some of that energy back to you

thed like

yeah do this with your chat listen do this with you chat i don't think of a shit like the but i don't

i don't believe fucking care at this point

ight

just

don't get upset when people return a fraction of the energy that you put out into the universe

oh i don't get upset

those people are just not my friends

okay that's fine

they're my enemies

okay

and your friends are my enemies

okay

and you joining the bandwagon

of insulting me and disrespecting me is you virtue to that we talked about we talked about whether or not i was actually disrespecting you what i actually said ok you said some shit to me a said some shit bad to you you know what i didn't take any of that personally but i come on here and i find out you were taking all of that personally

which is whatever and the funny thing was when i found out your tape

when i found out you're taking a personally you know what i stopped doing

saming mean things

because i don't like to hurt people's feelings and i don't like ur's my feelings when you a i'm sorre take it whatever you way want i don't like i don't like to doesn't hurt my feeling like i don't like to make people feel disrespected if they're not taking it in a back and forth kind of roasting kind of way right i don't do that

h

yeah that's just come so so what i what i what i'm on here and i'm talking the way that i'm talking bes is the way that i just ahead and wrap up your final statement

my final statement is if that's not the energy you want to have returned back to you then don't put it out there

and your need to be right about everything might get you like

fans and get you subs and all that that's great good for you do your job you're a streamer that's what you' hear to do that's great

but in the greater scheme of things it accomplishes nothing because like i said in the long run we'll all be dead

try try helping people instead

try doing something good and beneficial

outside of yourself

do that maybe you'll be happy in the long run a stark contrast

because i know that when i die i'll be happy with myself

a stark contrast from the

and ambitious vitriol i would

i hope that you can say the same

y

that is such a heartwarming human thing to say i'm sure you keep that same energy on twitter to your eighty thousand followers

alonte

it's on twitch you're such a like a wholesome human guy who has all this sympathy and

talks like a human being and

all this stuff i talk to you the same way that i do talk to anybody else of course yeah on twitter its yeah on twitter you're the same way

i taught to i taught to listen when we're in the back and forth exchange early on in this conversation i was talking to you just like i taught to anybody else

and then like titter and then what and then when i scaled back i talkt to you just like a thought to wheny yeah you never sneak anyone on i give i give as good as i get

right yeah you never sneak anyone i don't know why that bothers you so and you have taken the heroic mandles

you and to be clear

the energy i put out is self defense against my enemies who attacked me first

right

yeah

so when you join them to give me back my energy you're joining my enemies

a

there you go

have fun

i do good night

take care

bye bye

simple as that

simply you know i'm not doing and falling for that shit a second

time

you know my weakness is i'm a human being

but i know that guy's going to he goes on twitter talks all the hisd thank you job har you know it's like it's such a different level of energy

it's such a different thing

different thing you know

i'm so sick of how fake people are

like

where's that compassion in humanity when i'm getting like

brag through twitter viciously where do people be like ok guys

let's simmer it down whatever

you don't never get the let me let me

you don't get that you don't get any of that shit you know thank you so much chris morelo

guys

i do how to stream tomorrow

oh we got a

wrap this up

i promised you guys like a six hour stream

we're fucking ten hour one g

and i kind of like streaming this long

i like it maybe we'll make this like

norm

those

but

this is the only person online

gret a and ross

rad this girl

what kind of know

but they're cool

actually n

ore guys

is what it is

this was a crazy shreorp

i guys