THE COMING CIVIL WAR [2021-12-01]

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how many of you were around in twenty sixteen and how many of you remember the feeling of the burning movement

how many of you remember what that was like

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you know it's interesting when it comes to these kind of movements right specifically bernie's right in twenty sixteen or maybe you can look at it like trumps or whatever else but what's really interesting is that i want you to bear with me here right want you to bear with me because you're going to have

do a little bit of some thinking is that ok and i ask you to do some thinking because usually i just say shit to so the don't the biggest dumb ass can understand when you guys do a little bit of thinking just a little bit we experience reality we experience political reality right on the internet

and through the media specifically we t we experience it as a continuity as a flux of information right and if you're a leftist being a leftis basically means you have this idea that there' is an organic flox of information and there's a natural flow of time thank you or b and that there's a there's a discourse and

there's a mob and that this is aulimately the source of everything that's correct so lefts will basically say

when you see this stream of information coming on twitter or on you tube when you're turning on the cable t v you see this is like an authentic expression of some kind of authenticity right it's this continuity of information where what the establishment says is ultimately true even if you disagree with it you're never going to get

to the point where you're going to say it's all corrupt rotten say tanic manipulation and evil right that's where the right wing will come in now if you're a right winger you'll turn on the media and you'll look at what people say on twitter and you'll look at what people see on the internet this is all a bunch of bullshit this is all a bunch of bullshit i can only trust myself and my own individual

experience i can't trust none of that bullshit it's all a bunch of bullshit it's all manipulation fake news and lies right so you have two very different ways of experiencing

experiencing reality and information right and the flow of information but the problem with the right wing position even though it's more true than the left wing one is that you end up having to ask the question what can you trust what really can you trust right and that

that's why you can lead to things like colts and just a very closed type of way of experiencing reality because you can't trust anything and you can't rely on anything you call into question absolutely everything and there's no sense of a collective reality you can actually trust

right

but there's something interesting about that burning movement

there's something interesting about that burning movement right

because it seems like it was neither of those things right

it seemed like with the burning movement

you had on the one hand a really authentic experience of ao of

it seemed like it was a different path it was a different vector

it was a different

ah polarity in a way right

there's a different orientation where

it was something authentic but it defied

the the establishment it defied this normal experience of reality yes the medias a bunch of liars twitters a bunch of liars but we still have this low this stream of information that we can trust so there is this profound sense of collective trust and collective consciousness right with the burning movement

now i look like shit on twitter i'll tell you why i look like literal shit on twitter right i look like shit on twitter because i'm a force of resistance i'm a force of ah

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stoppage on the on the the continuity of the flow right

on twitter you have a mob that they're all in agreement about the authentic source of reality in the continuity of experiencing that reality right and me on twitter i'm a guy who said a notuk you right you're full of shit but that puts me as a that puts me in the same boat as the reactionaries in the right wingers and all that kind of stuff

right i'm just a kind of force of resistance i'm just the force of pushing back so on the one hand you have the authentic movement right you have the movement it's kind of like what cabb calls the movement you have the movement and then you have people like me who are stopping the movement and halting the movement and doubting the movement and questioning

the movement right the discourse the movement whatever you want to fok and call it right

you guys get this or no you understand this thank you mr vila but he's the thing we can't be comfortable in this position we can't be comfortable in this position of just of just pushing back

right

if we want to revive communism in america

we need to tap in

to this alternative velocity this alternative polarity that we saw in twenty sixteen with berney and we need to revive that right somehow we need to revive that which basically means

infrared has not yet accomplished this ultimate goal right our ultimate goal

is to create an organic and spontaneous feedback loop right we want to create a feedback loop

that can take it can be a runaway feedback loop that can take a life of its own

right now infrared

is still based on the central command center of infrared a top down thing right we haven't gone viral yet worre we're a top down army we're an army we're still an army right the show runners we are the commanders you are the soldiers we're an army right we haven't gone viral yet and initiate

a feedback loop a positive feedback loop we're just spontaneously we just go viral and people get it regardless of their their lok there you know personal loyalty to me everyone who believes in infrared right now and is interested in infrared

is loyal to me i'm your khan i'm your leader right

but we want to get to a point and this is what it means to make marxism leninism mainstream we want to get to a point

to

where people can just get it without having to directly be loyal to me personally that's what

the twenty sixteen berniy thing was about that's what occupy wall street was about and we need some of that we need a tap in

to something authentic in the core of this situation in america right now

we need to tap into that and draw from that the source

of this unique vision because right now this is a wager i'm i'm making a bet in a way right

i'm not

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i'm just i'm not just going against the tide you understand

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the tide

i'm i'm betting

that there's another tide there's another mainstream there's another discourse there's another movement it hasn't awakened yet but i'm

making i'm risking everything betting that

i'm betting i'm not i'm not being comfortable here like i'm always going to be in the minority and i'm always just going to be complaining and pushing back i'm making the bet that we are going to make contact with this sleeping giant this silent majority of the american working class millions and millions and millions of people that we will make a breakthrough form of contact awaken

them and initiate a process of runaway feedback to actually make this a real thing to

to realize the consequences of what the infrared vision is the people's party the c p s a whatever it fucking is we want to make that final breakthrough right and at that point we will have accomplished our goal if this is not about winning debates

on twitter with the left it's not about winning the left this's not it's not even personal against them we are my wager is that the people my people are out there right

our people are out there that the raw material the nicche or infrared to mean something for the american political situation it's out there right now we're like north korea we are en closed were this is a top down thing it's like i'm you know you guys are all waving around the

ations of chairman has you understand this is a top down ideological project right now but and there's there's signs of like an authentic thing going on like with all the means you guys create on twitter with all our inside jokes but we're not in the clear yet we're not in we're not out of the water yet right we need to get to the point

where infrared

you know it's really similar when it came to marx and angles when they were talking about the proletariat in the proletarian revolution marx and angles they were with this closed group called the young gelians and

they were making a bet that yes it's the workers right it's the proletariat that this is going to be the future of

the world right they're going to inherit the earth

and that they're going to be the source of this profound revolutionary change and they were just betting on that right that's all they were doing

is making that bet and eventually they did make the breakthrough cily with the rise of the second international when it actually did become a mass movement in the breakthrough was accomplished toward the end by the by the

time of angles is end of his life he was vindicated him and marks were vindicated right everything they thought was going to happen in the eight hundred forty's eventually did happen and the thing took on a life of its own give me one moment of you abt

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what you guys gota understand it's that all of us who are on this infrared train we're an army right now but guess what guys we have to believe in a force greater than us thank you dar

thank you appreciate you dark we all need to believe that this is all coming from a force greater than us all right this isn't about us and this is coming from a force you have to believe greater than ho it's not just me the genius has i'm you have to believe that i'm reflecting something bigger than myself

and i'm doing it imperfectly too right but what i'm insisting on is that there is a nech for communism in america that there is something world historical about this future that there is something inevitable about twenty thirty six and the twenty thirty six project right that is somewhat a type of destiny that communism

will be brought to united states to america right and it's going to come from the exact opposite of what people expected to come from right now you have to understand that you have to understand that this isn't about me this isn't about the showrunners it isn't just about the infrared collective

we are trying to say something bigger than us right which means we can't get cornered into this trap of being bitter people and being mad that we're not as popular as we want to be right now

and that we have everybody coming against us right

we have to acknowledge that

part of the belief that's part of the faith is a faith i still have can i prove it no can i be certain about it no i can't all i could do is just believe

that this is going to pay off and that our people are out there

we don't want to put a halt to history and we're not reactionaries like how they try to accuse us of being

we do have a vision of the future we do have a view of the future of an inevitable fate and an inevitable history and we do have a view of the winds of history blowing in the direction that we're looking at

the c pusa is trying to make it seem like we're reactionaries who fear the movement of p o c and l g b does dumb shit our response is that the're the reactionaries who fear the growing movement of the american people

the american working people specifically specifically in the form of this inconvenient populism that we're witnessing the resistance to the mandates which is across political lines and i want to be clear about something guys we will embrace the trump people with open arms we embrace the trump people with open arms and we're very sympathetic to the trump the magam

movements anti establishment position but we're not just that we are not just that we're not as they're trying to strawn us into saying oh you just want trumps maga movement to be communist it's not just trump's maga movement we want to create a deeper form of unity that's across racial lines across

cultural livees across geographic livees we want to create a more fundamental unity that includes those people but it's not just those people it's not just the maga movement just like iw you're seeing in new york everyone's coming together black lives matter maga union people small businesses they're all coming together to oppose and resist

the vaccine mandates it's bigger than trump it's bigger than maga trump was just the beginning right tru was just the beginning bernie was just the beginning this is something bigger than all of that and that's what the goal that's the mentality communists need to have we are looking at something bigger than all of the shit it's not just bernie or trump or this or that

it's a more fundamental social revolution that is at hand that we communists want to give expression to and allow the ability to breathe we want to be able to breathe right

i don't think trump's going to be able to contain the anti establishment populism of his own base i think his own base is already more anti establishment than trump hiself and if you think that the trump movement is just

all completely brainwashed by trump you're wrong now this don't don't don't take out of context here but when trump was at a rally and he was like yeah i got vaccinated guys they mo him now am i am i saying that being against vaccines is good no i'm just saying they have a there they have a life of their own it's not just about trump

right and also something i've really been thinking about too which has been pissing me awfu a lot thank you reaperpreciate you is that this straw man idea that we're trying to erase indigenous americans from the you know from america and

and we don't we don't want to acknowledge indigenous people and that's a plain face buckt liy right it's just that actually we go farther we are more indigenous nationalists then the fath go leftist the leftists are the ones who are the white supremacist who are trying to dictate the terms and conditions of an indigenous movement we believe

thank you you long i'll tell you what we had infrared fundamentally believe

and we've always believed this by the way we believe

that the indigenous people of america specifically the ones within the united states

have a fundamental role in defining the spirit of this country the roots of this country the spirit of this country the air we breathe the geo the geology of this country the the soil the sun the air the sky all of these things are given human expression and human meaning in this land by the indigenous people

and that's always been the case even despite the racism of the founding fathers and all that shit they also fundamentally believe that to look at how much how many of our states and our cities are named after indigenous the indigenous language and so i want one hundred percent

in favor of deepening the relationship between the united states the identity of the united states and the culture of the indigenous people who are indigenous to this land right

this idea that we're against indigenous people and we want to a white supremacist movement that's without indigenous people no we want to movement that unites indigenous people with the trump white working class and with the black population and with the hispanic people of this country the american identity that we believe in is an identity

of the future we believe in a different american identity then this straw man created by leftist of just white people and wasp the american identity is going to be indigenous to this soil it's going to be white black indigenous and that maybe whitere isn't even a good word right it's going to be european african

indigenous hispanic it's going to be a fusion and a mixture of all these things and if we don't believe that these things can come together and be meaningful and make something that that that heals the wound of racial division in this country then you don't have any faith or belief in humanity whatsoever

understand we are all here in this land right the european settlers been here for hundreds of years that african people who were brought here by no choice of their own been here for hundreds of years hispanic people been here for hundreds of years right indigenous people been here before everybody this is all part of an objective real history that defines the

identity of this country of what america is you understand it's about what the identity of this country is

and the idea that we're here trying to say that it's a white identity is a fuckin boald faced lie

a country is a combination of people land history culture and all these things how people interface with their land and make sense of their land right indigenous people have been here thousands of thousands of years so they're more closer to the land of this country than anyone else right and that runs deep

that ability to interface with the land and give mythals and give meaning to the land right is a fundamental part of any american identity right so indigenous people are part of the future american com

communist movement the patriotic movement that we envision is right to be on leash and the idea that we just want only white people or whatever is a complete fucking lie it just happens that white people make up the majority of this country right now right or your people of european descent i guess so what that doesn't mean you're supremacist only for the

m was len in a russian supremacist because russians were the majority at the time no

and america doesn't have to mean just because majority are european right now doesn't mean that it america has to be defined as an exclusively european project or identity right the american identity has to go beyond all those things

we actually do believe in america and when we say america we don't just mean the united states from seven hundred seventy six because the united the movi the americans who fought the british in seven hundred seventy six they were themselves part of a greater movement than even they themselves co contain they were part of a fundamental striving

inner striving as soalin noted by the american nation to come into being and there is an american nation as stalin pointed out he wrote about it in the his writings on the national question there is an american nation that en compasses this land and seventhundred seventy six was just the beginning right as communists we want to deepen

the project to constitute the american people as a nation as a people i'm not even just saying right now all america' is a melting pot it's more than just a melting pot you understand it's defined by specific ca

cultures the indigenous people the black people hispanic people these are all people who have defined america's culture right

defined america's culture

we want to as communists what we want to do is build the american civilization for the first time

we don't have a civilization right now we want to build a civilization this is our fundamental belief

as communists with the capital siege we want to build the american civilization

which will also be a eurasian civilization right

because we're goninga build the land bridge

the siberia

to

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we do believe in seven hundred seventy six and we drop from seven hundred seventy six but we're not limited by seven hundred seventy six wonderstand sevnhundred seventy six is the beginning it's not the end onderstand seven hundred seventy six was the beginning of this project to construct

to build the american civilization which is already here right we want to make america this is our vision and land based civilization a

land based civilization we do want to fight against the sea based american empire the naval based american empire that's got bases all over the world and is trying to rule the seas of the entire globe no we don't want that we want to make up land based american civilization that will be a fusion of all of the cultures a syncreticism of

all of the cultures indigenous to this land so that's why i say we're eurasianis because we're not atlantiss the atlantic ocean is on one side but on the other side of the north you have what siberia so that's that's the polar orientation we want to reorient

and this country toward that's ultimately what this means you see this infrared globe we are

are american civilization builders that's what do want to be so don't ever get cornered by these fucking people on twitter trying to say oh you're just white lvns some white supremacist who are trying to oh you're just a maga movement with the

red flag we think the maga movement the former maga movement will be part of something even greater than it understand something even greater than it it's not it's not just the maga movement it's a more fundamental unity you know the american people are not defined by the boxes you see on the media right

it's not just about whether you're a mago trump supporter or whether you're something else you know the's a silent majority of people who don't really feel like any movement represents them right now right even a lot of the maga people are just disillusion and it and really the whole thing that's holding together this maga movement right now's because abided

bn byen fock off is what's doing that right but instead of being at the forefront of making sense of people's discontent with the biden administration the communist party is holding water for biden and apologizing for biden and digging their own fucking grave to go down with by right the

if they hate trump so much why are they helping trump more than anyone right now

look at this dip shit cold n hey coldn why don't you get in fuck and v c you buckin dip shit

you don't know a goddamned thing about geopolitics which actually fucking ah

is about that destiny's talking mad shit about you

sent me the clip

what the fuck is this

the dest needs talking shit about me apparently

ok here we go

apparently destiny talking shit about me

you know i i had a stdreame plan to talk about my own shit and i got to get involved with this fucking leach

this fucking orbiter this beta orbiter destiny

let's see what he said

why do you engage with rob norb but not infrared infrad also which is crazy shit much like robin most that stuff is based in howsi i think rob is smarter than infrared

ever read is funny and he seems to know some interesting quips of

history kind of

but he's not very much in this world yor up to date on anything recent and i don't think he's as sharp as robos

is that it

how's the spaghetti factor on

why do you engage with rob norb but not infrared infrad also wich is crazy shit much like robin most thatuf is based on howsi i think rob is smarter than infrared

iver heard this i haven't really listened to rob so i can't go to this

funny and he seems to know some interesting quips of

history kind of

but he's not very much in this world or up to date on anything recent and i don't

how do you know

how do you even know that

how would you know that

what if i am

i'm not in this world

well that's that's that's what i've been talking about

that's exactly what i've been falcking talking about

before you showed me this sclipt by destiny

i'm not in this world

what he means by he's not in this world is he doesn't share the stream the same stream of experience as me

right

he doesn't share the same continuity and stream of information as me he doesn't

believe that the established way in which the world

is formed before my eyes

he doesn't participate doesn't share my world right

what destiny doesn't understand

is that his world that he's talking about this world

is not phenomenologically given and the word phenomenologically basically is referring to

ah

the outer experiences

that impresses itself on our senses right

he thinks that when he you know when he's going on twitter and participating on discourse or when he's turning on the mainstream media and he's listening to what the authoritative voices are saying

from the universities or whatever the fuck else

he thinks that

this is the world and that's the only world but destiny

what if i told you

a what you call what you're referring to as this world

is contingent it's not given it's actually based

on a specific on

on a specific institutionalized

filtering of the world

it's not the only world

my world has as its center of gravity

a different source of potential right

i have a different source of potential than you i see as the object of my vision of my world

a dormant movement waiting to be awakened right

i see something that isn't being given expression

by the people on t v and all that kind of shit

but you destiny

your world

that's you're talking about

ah

is not based on what's potentially or virtually possible it's based on what is already actual

right and what's already given to you discursively

and all that kind of shit

so when you say i'm not part of this world your bait you what you basically mean is

i'm not part of more or less he's basically just saying i'm not dwelling within

the discourse of the establishment

that's exactly what he foking means

i think these detached ramblings are what he's referring to with what he said

so okay

then if you don't want to go into this philosophy shit

i want you in a plain spoken way and d eas you specifically

blain's spoken way

please qualify what he means by me not being in this world

just give an example

how am i not up to date with the world how am i not in this world

because i'm

wagering on a third party right

and a third party doesn't exist right now is that it

go ahead

the easy please just simplify what destiny is trying to say then

this explain

why am i not in this world

because i'm wagering my bets on something that c n n isn't talking about yet

that long rand you just did was hard to follow or understand

why don't you have the humility to accept maybe you're just a little bit too stupid to understand it

is it my fault

even if it was my fault

you can't just say that i'm not in this world

what does he mean i'm not in this world

how do you know it notut in this world's destiny what is the world

what world are you referring to is is the world reducible to what you see on cable news

what's you seeing on the top google results

because

let me tell you what destiny i'm going to recommend right now i'm going to recommend destiny a book

in a book i am going to recommend to destiny

is

the black swan by nicholas na seem talent

i not seem nicholas toallep

right he's still talking mad shit

let's see i want to recommend destiny the book the black swan by s nicholas toller

because that book's going to teach him

that the things that actually come to define our world

aren't actually anticipated by the world in the present time

it's always a black swan that the idea of black swan is like

the conventional prejudice is that all swans are white

what happens when you find the black swan everything changes right

well that's actually what defines history and what defines

our world

marx also believed in the black swan

which she called the proletariat

that was a black swan right

it was something

that he anticipated but wasn't

already there

what is he saying

d a funny epsodehre they were talking about how

trump watches you know they were talking about his awesm friends or whatever

yeah and they they

they made a bunch of like

of those ads those boomer ads

like abouth i remember let's see this is another one

if you knew the book well enough you could explain it to him

he wouldn't have to read it

are you afraid to explain it to him or do you have no idea what you're talking about wait minute so

do why did he write the book that if all if all it took was just to explain it i mean i probably could explain it to him

but desiny doesn't see me as an authority right

but

n seem nicholas tollas's book was like

recognized and legitimated by the establishment itself

so he can t say that this is a result of my ramblings read the book for yourself

and you'll see he's saying the same shit that i was

right

i have to read to him the book

whato chats

are we talking about it like walkie talkies

i guess i haven't had too many negative inactions with hosp but the the

the thing that hurts is i don't ever hear him talk about current events in an intelligent way so i always kind of figure that he was more kind of like a thinker in terms of like philosophy stuff

but the debate that we did over the third party stuff was embarrassingly bad like he just was it was just

wow i would i g

i thought that would be a challenging conversation it was just

it was incredibly embarrassing i was like ok

yeah that's neat

this is you being unwilling to admit

that

you actually were challenged like you're not able to admit it because it hurts your ego so much

but you really were right

and you could tell because the debate had you like

if what you're saying was true then you should have been extremely calm and well composed

the entire debate

but as we could see throughout the debate you were really nervous you were talking really fast

you were getting really upset and flustered and angry and shit right

so if what you are saying is true and that

you know

this debate was a cake walk for you

it wouldn't have

riled you up as much as it did it wouldn't have made you as nervous as it actually fuckinged did

right

you can admit that it was a challenging debate destiny

you refused to accepted the challenging debate

because you refuse to accept

that your reality or your world can be wrong at the most fundamental level it can be everything you think about politics

can be wrong

by conceding to me that that debate was a challenge to you

you're conceding

that everything you think about

politics in this world

can be fundamentally wrong

right so of course you can't concede that to me

everyone saw destniney slap you like a four year old at wal mart

no you're right

he did slap me like a four year old woo at wal mart

which is why i had to call his fucking parents

who then gave him a fucking spanking

right

so you're right he was like a four year old who would come up to me and slap me

but guess what

when it comes to like one of the biggest debate lords on twitch you' expect a little bit more

you expect a little bit more

m

eah i don't know what else to say about that

ok

yeah i mean look

this is just dishonest colk

honestly it's dishonest coult

um

lok like

if you actually go point by point

and actually listen to what each of us said substantively

the ball was still in destiny's court to respond to my points

right and that's how you define who wins a debate actually

it's not about

who is easiest to follow it's not about who like

candors most to your readily made prejudices about the world and about politics

it's about who based on some minimal standard of reasoning

m

address the other person's points

and who didn't address the other person's points and destiny did not address or respond to my points

like

by any standard of reasoning you want to use

the ball was still in destiny's court to explain

why third parties are fundamentally not

something people should be investing their time

and energy into

is that it or what is there any is there anything more

do anything more

is the hop onn voice

okay

did he

i couldn join his room but

i don't

it he can dedemn me i don't know what would

say hes open to chat now

let me see

a room but

i don't

it he can be my i don't know what

so he's open to chat now

let me see because i'm putting one hundred percent

all i'll just get on v c

i'll just get in as we see

hello

hey what's somebody

ya what's up

sit the hap on

chat sorry i

yeah oh you felt like i didn't address any of the points that you brought up

w no did you miss the whole conversation or

no you didn't actually address the substantive

ok once i read any thing you feel like i didn't address

im

on the question of the possibility of third parties and whether people should be investing their time and energy in them

so my answer was you shouldn't be investing your time in any or and energy into a third party because by doing that you're necessarily pulling away support from a party that's more likely to agree with you there's no guarantee that at any point in even the near or distant future that party is going to become viable

so all you're doing is ceding ground to people that you're less likely to agree with while you try to work on some project for a third party but that that that assumes that you can say that

ah

that assumes that

it is necessarily true that a third party isn't going to be possible and it are a sums that a third party necessarily will be but i mean if we look at the data no it's noing it more likely to be correct so as far as i'm concerned when it comes to politics there's absolutely no guarantee of anything either way ok wait but you know no yet can we speak in reasonable probabilities

sure yeah

ok so reasonably what's more likely that a third party will materialize in the next

four five election cycles or not

well ok this is why i said you didn't address my point because i never ide it's that way i adress address your point earlier you just ok i i third party will materialize on the basis of the actions of the agent for whom this is a meaningful judgment

or her hearts being wa mad speak english

ok we materialize for an agent of which this is a let me let me simp wy that i'll go ahead and see it w you have to simplify make it maense because what you just said was meaninglesso it wasn't meaningless because the question is is it going to materialize

with or without your participation

and then you're going to make the judgments of ok i should help and participate in building a third party

because i'm not actually saying that it's going to materialize

independently of the actions of the people i'm trying to address in theers allments you're not ok

stop thinking in big senses of big words because you're missing everything i'm saying

so what you just said

i don't think it's going to materialize without the actions of other people

obviously i agree with you because we're not or actions

the per people i'm trying to address

oh you wait when you say you hold onm sorry when you say you do you mean like me personally or you isn like a general listen i mean the audience that i'm trying to address yes yes so my initial problem my main contention was that

if you take people out of the political system to work on a third party

then they're necessarily going to be taking away support

from a party that they would more likely agree with

ceding power to the other party that was my whole issue

yeah within if we accept that the two parties that exist now are the only parties that are ever going to exist sure but my whole point was that

the only way

we could ever have a chance of a third party is if people take that risk

ok but you're asking people to take a massive risk

and forgo real political power and in the hopes that

ten years

fifty years from now a viable third party materializes

the reason i consider that reasonable is i think if you ask anyone who's willing to be honest about it

the idea that the current two party system is going to be like sustainable in the long run

and that it's going to be able to contain america's current political contradictions i don't think anyone even establishment

ideologys me ho how long haven't these two political parties been around for over like one hundred

fifty years or whatever yeah but this is the argument i also brought up during the debate is that if you look at the historical reasons for these fundamental political realignments and rise of third parties

in the united states

we start ticking all the boxes like right now is a the conditions are right based on the president's

in the past

force like if there's ever a time for something like a third party to arise

because the current two parties are not able to adequately give expression

to the political differences that have risen it's not

ok where is your evidence

for that happening

where is the interest for the third party

w where is that happening

so this is another thing you really didn't address during the debate is that

you're making it seem like the third party is the essential thing and not the inability for the current two parties to adequately address

i feel like that but the's not a problem the two parties right now do address i think the vast majority of american thoughts

where's your evidence for that

well if i try to think of like what is some ideology that's not encapsulated by either of the two parties can you give me some solid examples

yeah i think i'm not i'm not saying that you're using like the political gridlock right nrightw

for their not being parties well actually yeah well is an american th sure but the thing is that i'm actually not thinking of this in terms of ideology i'm thinking of this in terms of the relationship between

the material interests of the various social and cultural formations

in the united states

and the political forms that are given representation to them

so for example a this is actually an example of this

but if you look at what's going on in new york

recently right i think is a week or two ago

you had demonstrations by people from all across the political aisle trump people black lives matter several several others

a discontented democrats that were all marching against a

the vaccine mandates in new york

and

that's not specifically just because they

decided to exain it like an idea is there a is there a one political party right now you think that

is anti vaccine mandate like

well i don't think so thiss ney do wan the worst i want to simplify this yeah i want to simplify this ho hold on stop saying

ok i have to be clear be i'm not letting i do do't want to complain that i'm trying to do real because it's going to you know i don'dtand i understand but i'm just trying to keep it clear when you keep saying let me simplify this you're not simplifying anything you're switching to a different explanation because what you just said but no no i'm not i think i'm i'm trying to explain why you can't say it's just because of being anti vaccine vaccine

so if i'm a materialist i'm going to attribute

mterials when it comes to understanding politics which i am

i'm going to attribute the reasons for why people are a

a protesting against vaccine mandates

not in terms of having a specific anti ax ideology but in terms of for example

a breakdown of the connection between the let's say majority of people

and the institutions specifically the state medical

um

and it's just i guess you could just say this

general establishment like it is a breakdown of trust between those two things right

and the reasons for that breakdown can be

understood if you want to

go down that route i don't want to

i don't want you to accuse me of trying to

so just to be super clear yeah you're trying to establish here is it

there is some thought here that isn't captured by one of the two political parties n know it's not so that's what i would consider idealism it's not actually just about thought it's about the material interests of people

it's not about thoughts

ok you're expressing a material interest that you don't think is represented by either of the two political parties

yes

ok

so

what is your

example of that so it's not just the anti vax thing it's one step further

yeah it's an ability to make it's an ability to give expression to the american people's and the american working class i would say

they're discontent

with the current political

establishment as well as all of the economic

formations that are part of that it but there were last election cycle there were two massive

anti establishment candidates there was one of the left bernie sanders and one of the right donald trump ho i said that this isn't represented in either the main political parties well first all i wouldn't consider bernie sanders an anti establishment candidate in twenty twenty

ok i absolutely was but ok

but i do agree that trump

did more or less still represent the anti establishment candidate

but

trump lost the election in two thousand and twenty so

as far as what the future of that

that's maga movement is concerned

um i think it's things are kind of up in the air right now and i do think a on the current course of things

there's going to be a huge red wave in two thousand and twenty two and trump will probably be reelected in twenty and twenty four

but

i don't think that can be avoided by doubling down with the democrats i don't think the democrats have any chance of being able to stop that

i don't think any of us can say what will happen in twoenty and twenty four and twoenty twenty two it's hard to say binans approvals low right now so that seems to the course a're headed on

but none of this is evidence for the

requirement of a third party or that a third well is going to re let me put it this way it i

do you think that there's going to be a red wave in twenty twenty two

i don't know

right now it looks like there could be but it depends if the supply of bottleneck gets fixed in the economy starts to pick up

cool off so i think what i'm trying to say is that whether or not

the small number of people who are going i'm actually going to be able to reach between now and then

focus their effort on trying to

build a third party

and participate in that

is not going to make a difference as far as whether there's going to be a red waves is concerned there will probably be a red wave

don

most certainly

no matter what so what do you think of red wave is coming for what reason

i think that the biden administr i think that in twenty twenty

a lot of people were on the fence about

giving you know whether trump should be removed and givn by them a chance

but i think now a lot of people

the complete rejection of the democrats and biden has just been come

completely cemented people we think that rejection is based

i think it's based on the current

the kind of economic and economic so yeah assuming inflation gets taken care of

and

you know

everybody's

able to buy the shit they want and

and the economy's do okay why would we assume that there would still be a big red wave well because the source of the economic crisis isn't just because of one problem like inflation you're looking at a global supply chain crisis you're looking at a

complete change in the global economic system and

i don't think we're looking at a complete change we're just seeing like a pretty historic shift in demand right now that's caused

i guess like a big supply bottleneck that i mean

i mean it can be

addressed like it's happening but who knows how long it'll take but

i don't buy it i think even the people

the davo s peokle i think even they envision that

you know i know you're i don't know how what your stance is on this whole great reset stuff and whether it's a real thing or not

but

there are already things that

people in power are envisioning for a fundamental transformation of

of the economic what what do you mean

well it's you kind of complained when i brought it up before but it's vaguely called the fourth industrial revolution it's the new set of policies

and the new set of

what is that's what it like what policy you mean

like what chims

specifically for example in relation to the nature of work and how people work right with so with the gig economy in the fourth industry revolution

people are going to increasingly

there's going to be an increasing like merger between

people's living spaces like smart cities and

you know where people buy things from

and the workplaces where people it's kind of like a return of factory towns so we're seeing an integration of like

you know for example in the case of amazon

mm

campuses whole food which amazon also bought

right but hasn't this been happening for like over a decade like how long is there been like an amazon google facebook campus for their w

also do you really think' is going to carry over to like non tech jobs to every type of job or

um

is far as the non well yes i do i do i mean at least the service industry one hundred percent yes as far as i think you wle to worket like mcdonald's or target are going to be living at mcdonald's or target

no um

they're not going to be living at mcdonald's or target but mcdonald's are probably going to be part of like a smart city that might have some kind of degree of private

owners we can barely like zone for fucking five story apartments ho are we going to be building smart cities

well i think one of the reason i'm bringing this up is because even they anticipate that all these changes have to occur to overcome the

the like degree to which this crisis is going to pose a threat

to the current order

so that's their ambition i don't think they're going to be successful

with a great reset or whatever but

they see this is like the only thing that's going to save

the it's not something they believe they can address just with a we're just going to curb inflation everything will go back to normal they don't even believe

there's going to be an ability to go back to normal like how things used to be

phone

ok

i can't argue against us right because it's just a complat the totally falsifiable claims i don't know what you' going to say but i so it's you're saying it's unfalsifiable but i'm just trying to make the point that even the people in power

don't believe that it is just

the current crisis can just easily be solved

in the way that you're saying it can

and you

in't know

i mean we'll see i mean i it's a matter of whether or not we can

up our supply chains to meet the kind of the unique demand that exists today

what do you think of the source of the supply chain crisis right now

from my understanding it's that there was a because of the types of work that wasn'table to happen over the krona virus pandemic and because of the stimulus that's been given out to people

there is a unique shift from a demand from services to a demand to goods

and when all of that money that was split between services and goods before starts going towards goods

you end up with these huge bottlenecks where we weren't able to ship as much stuff around the world

as what we previously were able to meet demand because demand shifted so much so even if the overall global demand is relatively the same

the allocation of that demand to more

physical goods

has made it really hard for the global supply chain to keep up

ok so what you're basically saying is

and i'm trying to simplify what i heard right

is you're saying that there has been a shift

from

services the demand for services to the demand for physical goods

so instead of people spending money for

service related

goods i guess what you mean for services yeah

yeah they're there

they're they're trying to accumulate more physical goods right

yeah that's what people have been buying yeah

so people have been buying more

but

one to more years ag gods yeah so what are the services they're foregoing

and

uh i don't know

i i would have to break it out i'm not sure

maybe it's like going out getting massages or maybe it's like

buying you know instead of buying from restaurants maybe they're buying more groceries instead of i't stuff like that i guess but i'm seen a break out of like all the services that people aret utilizing as much

yeah because i what is the source of the

your information

but this is this is like the main reason for the current supply chain crisis

is it the the

the federal reserve site where you can see the shift oh and i actually see the

you can see a shift in change from the demands

from good

and services

are you hohgh stile on discord

yes did you get that message

that i just yeah yeah yeah i got

whit did this even work

no that didn't work

oh shit is this opening things low oh my god it says a low

hold on sorry

um i imagine you could probably go to the uh

fredside itself to like pull images

but so like these this is like these are the main talking points i've heard from economists this comes from an article that rgman's written but

you can look at the real personal consumption expenditure for durable goods versus services

and then you can see that like the services like dropped off

incredibly hard and durable good spiked up insanely hard

so right the

yea

ahead

but it's kind of hard for me to believe that this is the reason for the supply chain crisis specifically

why

because

you also have to take into account when it comes to the supply chain crisis and

that this is a this is a global this is because of global supply chains and

also be have shit

in the

in work because of covert

right

people weren't able to return to their jobs as usual to produce physical goods

ok but it's not a matter of just producing the same physical goods as before we can see that the demand is like

far greater than it used to be so even if those same people had returned there would still be a supply chaine short

um

yeah i mean expenditures on durable goods i don't know if this would be enough

to cause that at a global level

why look it's almost like

forty percent higher thirty percent higher why would it not

and more maybe if there are other explanations i mean i'd be interested to hear him but

and it looks like it's about eighteen percent higher

as of july twenty twenty one

as of july twy twenty one

if it was at

one hundred before and it's at like one eighteen now yeah sure

yeah i mean um

yeah but that's just for the united states right

so i don't know if this not yeah this is just for the us t i mean it might not be a worldwide trend maybe in other countries they

but i mean like this would explain like the goods inflation in the united states

but i mean if we look at this graph now i'm tying in just stuff that i know in general so this might be incorrect but if you look at the graphic sae that was way higher in january of two thousand and twenty one one and those

that demand has dropped pretty sharply so as you said now it's only eighteen percent higher than where we might expect it to be

but if you can remember several months ago people were saying shit like lumber is going to destroy us it's at all time highs we're never going to recover

and now the price of lumber hass come down a cost mer has come down pretty significant here's the thing what i would i from what i know about the supply chain crisis the main issue has not been at the level of like the final products

but at things in the supply chain you don't

h that aren't like that are that go into the making of products but also

are related to things that aren't really so much about personal like

basically

tools you need to build things things like that

m

things that go into goods

things that are needed for construction things that are need for infrastructure those type of things

and

also it's it also kind of begs the question of

did the man go up

because of the scarcity that was already in place or was it the reverse was it the demand first and then because i don't think this really measures

o demand

what this is literally direct measure

what you mean

because

if there was a if there was a scarcity of goods

then people would just be having to pay more for those goods

they did before

well but that's what's happening right now

technically you can get anything you want

it's just going to cost you a lot more right but that wouldn't address the cause of the scarcity in the first place

thank

sure but i mean like

if you have so you pulled the source me on me so i'll pull that on you if you think there's a better alternative explanation

then you can feel free to shoot something ever but like

every economist that i've heard talk about this is talked about like this

i'm pretty

creatly

i

yeah i don't i don't know else to say

y and anything else just like a hypothetical i mean i don't know

m i'm looking for right now

but i mean like i mean you have to understand that like if the world can support shipping so many goods and services that even if that were to increase worldwide by ten percent

that's going to be like a huge strain it's not like you can just ramp up

that level of delivery instantly

right because if you could ramp it up instantly then there's a whole lot of waste if it's not being utilized right

sorry u can you repeat that

let's say that i'm delivering one hundred bottles of milk a day

get in my truck

let's say that tomorrow

i get asked to deliver two hundred bottles of milk a day

right

if i was able to accommodate that demand instantly

it probably shows that i'm being very wasteful when i'm only delivering one hundred per day

that makes sense because i had the capability to do twice as much why am i paying for all that extra cople is laying around not being utilized

so i think it's fair to say that if there are these big bombs in

aggregate demand of goods across the world ten twenty thirty forty percent at times

and it probably makes sense that

you know suppliers aren't able to meet those demands and

tenuously it's going to take a few months to get to that level

no no i know but the it's a matter of the chicken or the egg right it's a matter of

is the reason people are spending more

because they're consuming more or is it because the goods that they would typically consume have just become

pass that just

uh sorry

prices for those of the increase

oh

m

that

why would the prices just randomly increase

because of scarcity

in in the goods

what a scarcity mean

i

like the goods that they want to purchase are not

being produced in adequate quantities because of disruptions in the

chain of production

because of cover

why would that decrease so much the consumption of service

well the the decrease in the consumption of services can easily be explained by

octons

right

and the long term effect of the lockdowns

ok but then aren't you kind of answering your chicken in the egg thing if there is indeed a decrease

in the consumption of services and people of a bunch of money lying around

a isn't that aren't all those dollars going to chase the same number of goods

like i'm not saying you're wrong when you say scarcity but i mean like

scarcity always exists always for every

in the in the world

right except for

no for everything that scarcities like built into every

right now i know but the covert caused unique disruptions in the chains of production

and

like the ability to produce these goods in the first place

okay um

all right i don't i mean

that's a cool hypothesis i don't know to sayf you want to me something to read or if you have a paper you publish i could i caln go over it but yeah i don't know what yeah i was looking for one that's why i was asking you to repeat yourself aae i was ok but you i'm just playing video games so

yeah yeah i mean um

but you know the main the main issue here is that you talk also about

speaking of the decrease in the service industry

i think an even better case for like if you're trying to say people have more money to like spend on physical goods

it's also because they're getting checks to stay at home

and that's actually wasn all the unemployment insurances dropped off by now right

yeah but at during the time in which this was happening biden actually said that this was deliberately because he wanted to tighten the labor market

h

he said that he was paying out he said he was deliberately paying out unemployment insurance

tighten the labor market

yeah biden said that the reason that the reason is

deliberate and it's to give employers employees more power in being able to negotiate

wages to their employers

but unemployment insurance wears off

well i can find the exact quote from biden if you want

sure i'd be interested in reading that because that would be an unbelievably unpopular quote fhim to say as like employers everywhere trying to find employees foring be like oh yeah we're doing that on purpose

yeah a yeah what but let me see i in

a month

is this in a summer

it's surprising you didn't hear about this

ok byen says deliberate employee negotiate labor wage unemployed

ma

ok is this it

bting names to tilt the job market toward workers new york times

according to increasing in pursuit of lifsen scurse

here's biding ok

this week the white house planing to res an executor focus on competition policy

one section says several provisions aimed at increasing competition in the labor market the order will encourage the federal trade commission to ban

w limit non computer agreements with employers have increasly use in recently uss to hamper workers ability to quit for a better job

h that's getting rid of non compete agreements sure that's not

related to the unemployment inssurance but

you jusn't

blinging me random stuff

no this is what i'm looking at

y so do you know a non compute agreement is user yeah well that's one of the things that was contained in it but theres a general

well yeah but like so getting rid of non copy i' specifically referring to biden when he was responding to the like the issues in the job marketing why are jobs so scarce right now

and biden responded by saying that the reason was deliberately

non compete

ok i don't i don't know if i don't would ever say that like they're deliberately trying to sabotage the job market

that seems like i didn't say sabotage and also this thing about non competes that you're talking about is only one it was only one part of the

sorry there's a pay w go on apparently have somebody that watches your min chat

i'm ninet e percent sure that this is the exact wa in for is thinking of that he showed in his video and he was talking about this few months ago linkol him and see if he thinks so

you go

sort of boys repeating with each other for jobs of a scart on employes

pete with each other to attract work we want the companies to

et to attract work

yeah that was it

tell you something my sole measure of economic sucess is how families how working families are doing they have jobs over dignity this me to focus on wage so used to when it comes to the e we're building rising wage on a bug thiry feet that's exactly it yeah yeah i'm just getting we want to get something economists call full employment

instead of workers competing with each other for jobs are scarce when employees got to each other

to

track work

and employees

oh employers you probably miss

we want the companies to com tochart workers

kind of competition in the market doesn't just give workers more ability to e higher wagees on the power to demand to be treated with dignity respect and workplace

ull employment als means iur

workers

ok yeah so what about this

specifically i'm focusing on the sentence the rising wages aren't above their feature

well yeah i mean of course any president is going to want to have rising wages

but the reason for that is because

everyone could see the rising

wages were because

people had an incentive to be able to stay home

instead of they had more leverage being a

because because of the so called bid in checks is their popular refer

popularly referred to

people had more leverage in being able to negotiate the kinds of wages that they wanted

ork do you know where we stod on this i know people went back and forth a little bit but my understanding was of the final thing is that like unemployment insurance didn't seem like it

had a had a big disparaging impact on people seeking jobs

i'll trust you are going to fell like research on

and you can tell me if you remember

um

to be completely honest i didn't consult like a

much i don't remember i think i did but

i mean it's mainly just being able to like talk to business owners and know what's going on like on the ground is that yeah

like throughout the year

they were having a really hard time trying to find people to hire for work

people were just

not incentivize to

find jobs

yeah but for a variety of reasons republicans try to blame us on unemployment insurance but my understanding is that when you look at the states that were cutting unemployment early and everything that didn't really pan out it didn't seem like the data supported that

so is it

is it specifically the unemployment

the insurance the stimulus

because i think it's this well stimuluss are just a one time payment right that was a one time checks i don't know how much that put people off for

the big thing the big stimulus that the u s gave out that was fucking huge was the

boosting unemployment insurance that's my understanding that was like the huge

take it it

m weren't there multiple stimulus packages

i believe there were two big stimulus checks that went out was it one hundred trump and oneunre biden i think

but the the

but the big stimulusing around but i think the big stimulus

was for unemployment insurance was youy

that was like the huge

thing that that was helping so it wasn't like a bok a boosted it was like a three hundred dollars week extra for unemploymentschurancece i was huge

that's my understanding for the big

bob boostwise

the

the checks which is like a one time thing

right so there was a boost in the unemployment insurance so

that

so you don't think that incentivize people to be able to like have

more of a say in

kind of jobs

they want to take up or what at what price they would want to take up like

why is it that wages were rising

throughout this period

there's a lot of weird

oh

i have another article on this so

my understanding is that

i don't know ho up todate this information was but during the pandemic

the in the aggregate meaning if you count every american worker

americans actually took home more money and save more money than they have historically in a massive amount

the reason why was because middle class workers or white collar workers we could say

we're not only able to maintain the exact same jobs they had before

many of them were given corona virus

bonuses

and many of them didn't have to actually go to work

they were able to work from home

so they saved money on transport they weren't spending as much money eating out on food

and they were getting bonuses still from working through the chrona virus pandemic that these people were like

huge winners

when it came to the ron of ours pandemic period

and even though there were retail workers or working class people that lost out

in the aggregate the gains made by americans that had those middle class jobs massively outperformed it

so i thought that was where like the rising like take home pay and the consumer consumption and everything was

right but there was also a massive number of people quitting jobs unable to take up jobs i mean it's obviously related to the supply chain crisis

in there is a crisis that our unemployment is really low now right unemployment is below five percent like i think we're fine in terms of employment

i mean labor force participation is fallowed but i mean i think that's always going to happen is this like this month thing like as of this month or

as unemployment has been falling everybody freaks out abounemployment unemployment always been like pretty good but weren't they having trouble finding like truckers to be able to having trouble finding workers but that's like a different like

that's like people arguing that we need more immigrants basically to come ino work because we were not like

we don't have enough workers

but they were paying really well these they were like increasing the

the

it's obviously how the markets work right if there's

high demand for workers you

increase the

wages and even then it wasn't

effsient

yeah i mean they're trying to increase wages but i mean at some point you're only going to have like

most industries in the united states run on like pretty thin profit margins you don't have like you can't just like boost wages of fucton like a lot of these businesses could become noncompetitive so

i mean we might be seeing if you want to call this a great reset we might be seeing some form

reorganization in terms of like which businesses are viable post corona virus because of the labor force buthich is

i don't necessarily think it's just about which businesses are viable i think there's been a fundamental change

and how people relate to work

first place like

you know there has there was a lot of talk of u b i

in the past and it seemed like an impossible dream but

it seems like

a

that is almost inevitable at thisoint

wells we actually got a little bit of you beyonder biden because of how the child tax credit works

yeah but i think the basic point is that um

but that another example of a policy that a third party might have adopted that was co opted by

a first policy the child has alread it is is not u b i

kind of

bi is a universal basic incoe

i

and

a basic income means if you're a citizen of this country you get a basic income

as a default

yeah i mean like it's not universal but the idea that you get a payment every single month from the government

for something as simple as having a dependent

that's a that's a pretty

i don't i don't think that's i think that's unprecedented in american history like that is a huge first step

towards some form of u b i when you're getting people getting checks every single month from the government for some minimum dollar amount

it's not universal because obviously not everybody has a dependent but i mean it's a good st direction

so would you anticipate that one year from now specifically the bidens approve rating is going to go up

i t

but the thing is like here like here is two potential paths

then maybe the supply chain crisis doesn't actually alleviate because people are continuing to purchase more and more goods and they can't keep up

and then inflation continues to grow and then the entire working class gets fought

because now things like gas or things that are in the cpi are just unaffordable in that case by it is completely crushed

but let's say in the next like six months the supply chain contins to improve people can afford goods and services we' got a fuck ton of stimulus unemployment is really low the economy is still like pretty hot

then it's possible like geah the opinion showts i everybody like oh this is cool

it's j but it's hard to say i can't make those ptys like a macro macro international econ you know

big brain thing like

people are still arguing over like what the fuck is even causing the supply chain crisis

so i'm not going to pretend to know that i know the answer when it's going to be over

ok so but you fe you still fundamentally believe that if we are facing a crisis right now

then within the next two or three or i don't know how many years

it's going to be solvable by like the current two party system

by the current establishment

any crisis that we're facing now if it's not solvable by the two party system ot think a third party cod solve it i mean

right

so do you think that there's no such thing as political novelty in history like there's never such a thing as where

mm

the kind of um

striving of the era is unable to be given expression by the established parties

that something new is necessary to be able to i mean

novelty definitely happens but as systems become larger and systems becoes better at like organizing and incorporating new information and processing information and then like turning that into things i think that novelty becomes like

exponentially harder

and if we compared it to like

that like

coming up with new strats in a video game twenty years ago

was pretty easy because like the internet wasn't as popular and not as many people played the game and they were all new and buggy or whatever is one thing but nowadays

like day one any game releases day zero there's massive wikis up

you know the chance of you inventing a new strategy almost nothing i think the same works when it comes to plt's actually w on

uh true i mean

there's authors i actually recommend him

i seen nicholas toll his book the black swan and he shows he proves how

the more complex systems become

the bigger they become so to speak like the banks grew too big to fail

the harder they fall the the more intensified the points of their blind spots are

where they actually

be

it never becomes so complex that novelty becomes impossible there is always a blind spot

not saying i possible and it's po but i'm saying the larger the systems become the were converce so the are seems that they're good at incorporating new stuff

but i mean hey we'll see but i don't know any right now there is no reason to think why what you're saying will happen

other than like well it could

i think you familiar with black swan it's actually not like a fringe book it's like

you know i know the guy that the at least of the very least on twitter he's pretty crazy i'm sure his book is fine you're talk about the mathematician guy right yeah

yeah i mean you know maybe

i mean i guess we'll see

so

basically the issue is that systems

um

especially of the nature of the ones that we're talking about aren't able to become what he calls anti fragile they're not actually able to learn from these kinds of mistakes

ah

and integrate them in a local way they have to like

always make it so that

so

when there's one vulnerability right one major vulnerability the whole thing tumbles and collapses

um yeah that doesn't seem like it can happen with our current system

it seems i don't thk soances

doesn't seem

so

ok th like our current system is an unimaginably resilient it's one of the biggest

i guess benefits of

capitalism is that

it seems pretty resignent our political system seem pretty resigning as well so by our current system what are you referring to

we could talk about like the our global infrastructure in terms of like how our governments relate to one another or we coul talk about like our national infrastructures how our economy functions or how our government or monitory policy works i mean anything like our just our system in general i mean we talk about more specific parts you want to dig into it but

so you think that's you think that's like unbelievably resilient and there's no possibility that it could ever collapse i didn't say no possibility well there's no likely but there's no likely possibility

i doesn't seem to be the case yre correct

why is that why do you think so

i don't know we keep going through these things that are like unprecedented historical things in example we

a the two thousand and seven the mortgage backed security crid i thought you were going to mention that and i'm glad you know that we actually haven't really recovered from that crisis and that quantitative easoning has been the sole source

of economic growth since then meaning there's no organic roking of aedition thats capitalist economic that's whats comsleletely not true i don't know whatse to say yeah

so what so you're and you're not aware of the fact that it is actually the

government issued credits

and stimulus into the economy

that has been there source of all of the economic growth we've seen in the united states and europe since the two thousand let's just as sure but i mean let's let's think about that let's pull away from the m m t idea and let's just think like reasonable

h do you really truly believe

that over the past fifteen years

we haven't had

a surge of new businesses new products and services

a better technologies

more construction you really don't think

any of that has happened it's all more or less the same you really don't think any real growth has happened there

well first of all there has been numb economic growth in new businesses and stuff

but that begins and that's a result of the bank issued credit it's not because of

a top it's not because of a bottom up form of economic growth as in traditional capitalism

which is based on prophet

and

many of these large businesses these corporations and so on operate at a loss in terms of profitability

for a long time

you know what does it mean to operate at a loss though

it means they're either not making a profit or they're even losing money

but what they're not losing money

they're just not making a profit really because there wasn't were operating at a loss for a long time

it's

that the word loss there is doing a lot of work to say loss to layman almost sounds like the money is disappearing right are you aware of the actual growth of the real economy in the past fifteen years compared to the growth on the stock market

ok

you keep jumping around ok so just to be clear right a laws

a loss on a business sheet

could oftentimes refer to a big investment that's made in a business

so for instance amazon had losses

as opposed to profits for a long time

but it's not like they were just burning through piles of cash right these were capital investments they were making in their business

you know if you continue to function at a loss but your revenues are growing and growing and growing

andan it's not necessarily a bad thing and it's not like there's no real growth there that just doesn't make any sense

what i'm trying to say is that profitability is not the source of the growth i'm not saying that there's no growth at all i'm just saying

profitability is not the source

i don't know what profitability i don't know what profitability so in capitalism

the engine of economic growth

is ultimately based on

earning more money than you did before and using that money to invest in your capital in order to expand and that's how the cycle repeats sure but you don't need profit and it's and it's right and i

profitability is determined

or the ability to pursue profits determined by competition in the market

right

other people are doing things that you have to adapt to and

you have to squeeze out more money from the economy than the other person by lowering prices or

increasing uh

the efficiency of capital and so on and so on

so that's actually not what the source of economic growth has been since two thousand and eight

what do you mean when you say economic growth what does that term mean to youor what do you

it means the ability for the

distribution of goods and services

to be so you don't think there's been a real growth

in the overall amount of goods and services produced in the countryre there has not because of profit

i don't know what because of profit means thats it mean that is government like what ameded it means the government injected credits in the in the economy and that this credit was

distributed among america's corporations by the banks

and that it's the recycling of this money that has been the source of keeping the economy in operation

okay um

i mean like that's a

that's a cool idea i don't really do you're saying this systems incredibly resilient and

yeah do you think that the current inflation that we're experiencing as far as the dollar is concerned

it is just like a

temporary thing that

currency

as we know it is going to continue to operate as we know

i don't know i don't even know if the dollar is experiencing inflation at the moment know that's true or not

okay so there's no currency crisis right now

is there i has is there one

you tell me i mean you don't think that

there's a push toward moving toward digital currency and

blocking absolutely my sense n there is no push towards digital

okay and is there a time span that you want to like hedge your bets on that for is like a year or two or

three

or not youres a s you know what do you mean to like you want to bet on whether or not we change a digital currency in a year or two or three

i'll but yeah if there's a shift to digital currencies within the time span of three years

yeah what do you

what do you want to bet what odds do you want

why i just want to know like if that's what you believe

yeah i know that

i would take base so if there's no currency crisis are you aware of what the inflation rate is right now

in the s at six point two

senate

when's the last time it was this high

this might be historically high

yeah would you know when the last time it was

i don't know

it was ninety ninety

okay

yeah so do you know so you're saying you're speaking of the resilience of the system

are you aware of what sustains the value of the dollar

o

full faith and credit of the u s government to pay back treasury bonds

i shoul what you mean

ok but in real life what is it

probably the strength of the u s economy

no it's not it's neither of those things it's actually a military projection of the united states it's actually it's actually the nomination of petroleum and u s dollars

o

you know since the nine hundred seventy s because

we switched from the gold standard to that

right

i

if you know the history of monetary policy in the u

so are you aware of what's going on

is far away i get le ok does

you do you want to talk about anything else

we i'm just trying to walk you through and what not you're just you're doing the like

are you aware of and then you're feeding me like every single fucking conspiracy there i've ever ss my so that i's like thataning i can't engage with any it is not w so the if you want if you want if you want to make a prediction based on your conspiracy the i'll bet you wll it is that that's i going say youre argue that like oh q e is the reason why the entire economy has grown for fifteen years like es it's fundamentally is the reason

yeah i there's like if there's a bed that you want to place in a future outcome i'll bet you on digital currently i just want to know if you think the petrol dollars a conspiracy or not

i in terms of like is this the only thing keeping the united states afloat in our global economy whatever

the dollar is that's where the value of the dollar comes from

would the implication be that like we switch to green energy or some shit that like the patro dollar is going to cause the u s currency to collapse or

something like that yeah

yet no i don't think so

but i mean if you want to put money on it whatever we can but

yeah your time frames here so i just don't know ire aare is a history of u s monetary policy which was very much planned and deliberate and the post warre youre this is plan and deliberate but it's not it's well on it's not a conspiracy that planners of the post war global economy

mmhmm um

deliberately set up the world economy and specifically united states to be a recycler

are specifically these first initially wanted the surpluses of the united states production

to be invested in other countries and then they reversed their policy so that the u s would become

a vacuum of global surpluses through wall street

and that this would keep the dollar's value afloat

that this would keep the world economic order and

yeah i remember it was fll like the philosopher's legacy right

the patriots and theyo you can actually read about in the book the global minutes are by nest fo is the economist

but i the point be listn't listen holl

i super don't

if you want to make a bet or something about related to any of these things you believe in that's fine but i don'tn't feel like just listening a but you're saying you're saying things like how you believe in the resilience of the system but you don't even know what the system is

ok

then then bet me on an outcome that i wouldn't understand if you ok within five years

we are going to see a fundamental

change

of this collapse of this system and change of the system

what does that mean was a fundamental

we are going to see a complete change in the nature of the currency in the u s from

the current fiod money purely credits based in the petrol dollar to maybe some kind of digital blockchaing currenk i'll bet you like

hundred dollars

four thousand if you want or however much you want to posture

no it's not so much i do't how about this

i will give you if you're right

a thousand

but if i'm right all i want you to do is admit to everyone that you don't know anything about how economies work or

the nature of the current global economy

that's enough for me for you to just be able to admit that

yeah sure ok

five years from now if you're still streaming all come for my hundred bucks ok or whatever

yeah

so

no actually hold on i don'te hundred dollars

i want you to admit then that okay my shit was up

what's

i already know what's going to happen is if even if you are still streaming of five years

i'm going to come back and like oh well what you don't understand is there was a global shift you just don't know about it and it's like in some secret place that like the public doesn't know but like it actually how like that's aw you're going to say no it's going to be pretty like

obvious to everyone

ok yeah we'll see in five years i guess

yeah

so it's so is it on this basis that you say i don't know anything about current events

initially n know it's just like when i debate like when i debate conservatives they've got like all these on the ground issues that they want to argue about we're debating government policy we're debating current events like this what's going i'm debating like lauren southern rob nor when i talk to people like you

it's like literally like fucking jewish conspiracy theory shit now like i fels i balk into the nazis of like five years ago like its it's all like off the wall like gout this fucking buk by blah blah blah you got this like the central the petro dollars weal is like ok like there's nothing for h to even talk about it so it's o first of all it's interesting that you're comparing the uncontroversial recognition of the petro dollar significance of anti semitic conspiracy theories

but second of all

i think what you're really trying to say is that i don't actually thrive on discourse based in media soundbites

that actually don't necessarily reflect

a adequate understanding of our reality concretely it's just media soundbites

hore you how are you so confident that the things that the media provokes interest in in terms of headlines

and click bait titles and whatever like how do you know that actually reflects what's really going on on the ground

you know what i don't

so i guess we you really don't how much i want to let me ask you uests i want to ask another question how much time did you spend debating about cower in house

h quite a bit

so in terms of what's actually happening in reality like the changes under in our system in our political system

in our real economy

how important do you think the col rittenhouse trial was relative to that

i mean elections are one and lost sometimes on culture where issues the next big one might be over abortion

right but these are all things that you're only aware of because the media is telling you that they're important

you but the media is also a reflection of what the people want to see as well do you think the media be showing so itle weren't clamoring to see it well people are also interested in kim card ash you it doesn't mean it's an accurate reflection of the reality they live in

ok sure but what

ok

right well hey listen i look befored in five years being wrong we'll have our digital you know i'm i'm just going so what you said that i don't live in this world and that i don't know anything about

current reality because i'm just saying like at the end of this conversation like i have there's i'm taking nothing from this there's not anything for me to read into there's no future research you i know because i guess i just as you sad thin gremmer you basically thrive off what's like media click bit titles and virals everything that isn't part of your conspiracy world is click bit that's right howy actually care about any of that not of these issues actually matter only what when you care about is not so this is

why every love es fails to gain any real political support anywhere to you know i think it like it resembles and like the failure of like any hypothetical third party like oh guys like you don't who the fuck cares about dumbshit like minimum wage like social issues like right really important is the patro dollar and how kiwi is the whole reason why everything is like nobody eh and it's like there's no third party because c n n isn't talking about it so how could it possibly be a thing thatll i mean i want you've overthrown c

ok

well why should we talk about things that c n n isn't talking about your right to

and like you know unless you see it as the tw twitter trending uh

thing that news trending on twitter like it doesn't exist

right

right

so i actually want to clarify something though

because you said that

oh this is all i left is

i don't actually think there's no significance to the things that are popular and viral

news stories i think that has to do with the broader culture and ideological war that's going on

i'm just saying that's not exactly the same that's not identical

with an actual systemic and structural analysis of how our economy works and its history

how these structures

are held together

i just am insisting on the fact that there's a difference between what the media says

ah in terms of like

that what it gives importance to in the all these headlines

and what's actually going on in reality

i'm not saying those things have no importance and no significance

i'm just insisting on that division and its why is that' why is that an anti semitic conspiracy theory though

i never said it was an anti semitic conspiracy

well why why are you putting why are you you

putting me in

in the same category as anti semitic conspiracy theories when i talk about some it's all like unverifiable unquantifiable bullshit that reli you think the petro dollars unverifiable and onquantify i want to send me some fucking research later on some su you're talking about then feel free to knock it out but if you i actually want youk andm some'm good can you please have a conversation with a guy called conpot he actually does want to talk to you

i wanta see if you can

you can

hold your own in a conversation about the history of uus

economic policy and

petrodo and so on so sounds fascinating

would you be willing to talk to them

a probably not but you know maybe i'll see what i am

right

but

are you sure like you're it kind of seems like you're kind of scared

oh my god you fuck shit you called me uf so hard you got me it was actually just because i'm really afraid of the guy

you well now that you've called my you impugned my honor

yeah man some yes a contact details i'll definitely goet back to him ok

i wouldn't want to be seen as like scared of an internet debate

well i mean i don't know it's just like there are people who spent like spend their lives researching this and documenting this and

there are people who spent their lives researching for anology i don't know

fuck i'm supposed to make of that

okay

well i'm just saying like if you want way more details about this kind of stuff

i would recommend you

i could give you them myself but you know i don't a lot more details about i don't care if you want to give me people that are making accurate predictions about the world on and im interest

well i'm but what i'm trying to say is you said it's unverifiable and i'm giving you a guy who could give you like

citations footnotes sources like but i want citations of i want prediction

g me g mean accurate prediction based on your model that's that's how we judge

the worthiness of any moe what what if you ma corectly predicted them in the past f i'm not an economist i just read other people shit i'm not here to predict an what it would have what i mean i gf you're going to say like what have i predict o s i think most of the mainstream things that happen i feel like about like pretty decl how much of those economists predicted two thousand and eight

i don't know i have to go back and look at it all non of

so how

how much of those economists that you and doow authority to have correctly predicted

um

ok you know what you're right i totally believe in whatever the ca guy is the comb guy ok

wait butten i predicted the infrastructure bill passing we had a debate remember and you said it nll there wasn't there wasn't a controversy about whether that bill would pass there was a controversy about how much of it would pass and it was a slow down bill

from one point five to what one point three or one point two

so gotcha

yeh it wasn't the one point five trillion dollar infrastructure bill that you said it would be

but anyway they the corporate welfare infrastructure bill i don't know why you're lauding that as some kind of achievement

okay

but i it was a largest infrastructure bill in u s history but i'm not good enough for you i guess

i'm thir'm sure third party would hold on that it w again given the state of infrastructure united states

holding that infrastructure bill some kind of accomplishment

given the absolute neglect of us and like that's a given government's

um

giving their infrastructure support is not like some

breakthrough of politics

my

o

yeah

and by the way there was no debate about whether it was going to be passed

m

but

i'm sure the i'm sure this

spending is going to curb the inflation that you said they're going to get a

you could

so do you think the place remain like this for another year

hoever i think it's going to get worse

ok base

actually think it's going to get worse would you want to what do you think about that

worse before it gets better i'm not sure pretty sure it'll get better but i don't know it might get a little bit worse person when ok since we're talking about predictions when do you think it's going to get better when is it going to start getting better

i mean in some cases it has already overall i mean i would i would expect it to within a year i would think but i mean like there are things that could change that say some more stimulus goes out or something which i don't i don't think would happen

or some big spending isprout on by the stimulus bill which causes another drive of demand of certain goodss i'm not going to say and pretend like i'm going to accurately predict but

i would feel like well i'm good with this hold on you have peg

the entire

of like ability to be an authoritative thinker or to be clear you'm not an authoritative thinker i doant but you have like what economist you you've decided that all the entire value of what someone says should be judged on the basis of how accurate their predictions can be you're not even willing to commit any predictions at all

well because i haven't researched on this particular question to give you what i feel is a confident you seem i seeen but you seem confident in saying things like even though you haven't researched important details of it that

our system is so fundamentally resilient

because i think historically our system has been incredibly resilient

yes

are you

what are you basing that off of

fact that we've had two major political parties for o one hundred years the fact that we maintain like a so historic monetary policy is kept inflation and the job markets relatively stable for like eighty or hundred year like

i don't know what i mean we wt to say

wait

hold on

well

you're saying that one

even if we were to assume that

a two party system

and this is wrong that it's not's been the same form of that two party system in the past hundred years

but you actually think in terms of scale

if there is a precedent of one hundred years

that means like it's completely unlikely that it can happens huge change can happen in five like

one hundred years in the history of polities and states is absolutely nothing

i disagree i think that time is accelerated quite a bit today compared to what it was

a thousand years ago like whole like trends can rise and fall in the course of like a couple years

i think that

our our scale of time today is greatly accelerated compared to what it used to be

just because as much as the scale of time accelerates it also slows down in other ways so

yeah

i mean it may appear sue for example the flux of information as accelerated and the ability for you to consume information and consume culture and things like that has accelerated

but in terms of the scale at which like

the mode of production transform medicine where you don't like

it really hasn't accelerated all that much

but

the question i have to ask you is

you think our two party system has stayed the same for one hundred years

um i mean we've had these two political parties for undre years i mean there are shifts and b ideas have changed we've we've also had the u s constitution since the founding of the republic that

that doesn't mean

that doesn't mean that the constitution is this resilient doc

the con sation incredibly wass i think we have the oldest active constitution in the w in the world

but what the constitution represents has not been the same

in any given two decades right so i don't know what you mean we have like we if you if you have a very vague document

for example

i'm not this is an extreme example i'm not saying this is specifically the constitution but let's say writ on a piece of paper

i believe that all people should be happy

and you say well i've had this piece of paper for five hundred years will be because it's vague it doesn't actually address the specific thing our constitution is a vague

of course it's very vate

wait you don't think our constitutions vague it's very i mean the compared to why i mean what i mean

they compare to the civil codes of the napoleonic code that other countries adopted

yeah probably because it's we have a it's a government of enumerated powers right so all that shit is left to the states that's like how our government is set up right i just am really aghast that you would question the idea of the constitution is is big of course i just don't know how that's a point against the constitution or what you mean by vi i'm just saying o right it's you when you when we are talking about the resilience of institutions

you have to refer to the institution in its material reality not vague documents that encompass various different material realities histories and institutions

so for example i'll make this simple for you

the republican party in the democratic party have existed

for over one hundred years well over one hundred years but

who the democrat like what

for example the democratic party was made of the institution that is the democratic party what it represented

who had represented how the political machine worked and how it operated

how with got votes all of these things have just fundamentally changed

even as far as a few decades ago is is concerned so

the idea that like oh we've still had the democratic and republican republican party

yeah but

what those parties are at their most fundamental level have changed

so much that

there they've only kept the name

ok

that's that's

that is

an example of resilience

but i don't alsm so keeping the name is resiliency but nothing else

uh ya

i sad why

why because it dosn' required a complete collapse and reorganization of the system to make something way but i there has been a collapse and reorganization of those parties across the

past hundred years and several times right

it's just that they've kept the name

goch

all right

so i don't know what you're talking i don't actually know what you're talking i don't none of us none of us know any

works out for you and

to labor whatever that guy the meth

ok i loverybody all right

okay so i i just

i'm still not persuaded and i don't think my audience is i don't think anything i can say wells as as far as the original claim the clip i was sent of you saying that

i don't know anything about current events or i don't know anything about the world

think we've been obverle enough to say that you really don't know that much about the wor

right

i think that's true

so i go

make sure you steer clear of those anti semitic petro dollar conspiracies because

m those are going viral and it's really dangerous on the internet and

no i want you to make sure you stay on c

kep keep aut it with the new york times the atlantic

and so on and the

just make sure you filter your information correctly and

you don't get trapped in these anti semitic webs of disinformation like for example

on the existence of the u s dollars the world's reserve currency after world war two because

that's a really big anti semitic conspiracy theory

nin

you know

got

y well make sure you save a hundred bucks so then in five years i can

oh yeah i'll be waiting those five years by the

i'll see itm

ok

i love

thank you jen i appreciate you

thank you so much jenar

how many times have i be destined and to bea ud it's like nothing

how many times are you talking

that

defeated him in a debate

it's like

it's almost embarrassing you know

like how is it so easy

thank you reaper appreciate you

thank you so much report

so um

the so destiney's entire stick here destiney's entire stick

it's basically right

what he's basically saying is

if you don't only focus on what the news headlines are saying that means you're not living in this reality

din't you get office

if you're not if you're not specifically focusing on what all the dumb asses on twitter are getting whipped up

in a fervor about

that means you don't know anything about this world you di the real truth of this world

is what's not talked about by the fuck and media and by twitter and shit

like everybody knows that

you know

yeah

er

it's so fucking stupid it

so fucking dum

y anything outside cnn is

broh ah okay you know what

you know when destiny completely lost the ball

when he said

that the petrol dollars an anti semitic conspiracy theory

that's unbelievable

that's unbelievable

that was the highlight of the night dude that was the highlight of the night

ah what obserca

yallo

no

youre brom

yeah

i just wok up b i just saw the last bit of that

did he just say the democratic party hasn't changedy yeah i've sworre of

d i sort've seen him arg i've seen him argue that it has

yeah i mean bro he sid no you should watch the whole thing be cause he said a lot of crazy shit dude he said the petro dollars an anti semitic theory

onw did this happen

he said he also said the system is is unimaginably resilient and that

the current two party system is going to survive

said he said that the current political system lasted one hundred years

it so resit it's so resilient that trump supporters are making their own fucking state and they raided the capital butus

you get this get this this is my favorite part he said

this dud said

that

the reason why the job market was tight and people weren't going to work wasn't because of bydence checks

wait how did this come about though how did you guys get on a call some somebody sent me a clip

of i was talking about other shits somebody sent me a clip

saying destiny's talking shit about you and i saw the clip and destiny was like

yeah the thing about infrared is that he doesn't know anything about the real world or some shit like that

so i was like what a funck

and then i reacted to it and then he reacted to me and then he was like okay tell infrared to come in the call

and then i was like ok i'll come on the call so i went into his call

and then i was like so why are you saying that and then we went we basically went through it

and i had to explain to him that

like the world is actually changing and there's a great rese i talked about the great reset and s and he's like

oh no there's no great researt biden's going to get the inflation under control and i was like bit i was like destiny who do you think' is going to win in twenty and twenty two

you think there's going to be a red wave and he's like

now i think biden is going to get the inflation under control of the supply chain crisis wg think that is a right he's like a status quo junke but what's weird is

how can he say there's no great reset there's like prime ministers not just trudou everyone says

it's a great so i could tell him and i was like do i din't even hes he's going with the it's a conspiracy theory sh

yeah yeah i was like dude even even biden and all those people in power

believe that there has to be a great reaseon even i they see that you can't go back to normal

and he was like no we're just going to go back to normal and things are going to be as they always have and i was like what

be so naive

yeah it's crazy coat

and he's like we'll make a prediction and he's like okay ho how long do you need

he's like oh two or three years or something and so go so in two or three years i said all you have to do is admit to your audience that you don't know anything about the real world

i'm right

well no he's just going to play the card of all the severity isn't the

what you predicted so

if it's not as extreme as hous's ideas then oh

all tusus was wrong

he's just going to do that

the world the world's not on fire but so you're wrong

that's what he's going to do to you

dud i still cannot believe that this dude said the petro dollars anti semitic conspiracy theory i just i don't even get i don't even get that that what you mean i was like dude

the pet i don't know can you explain what it means byer

he said like he was like he was like will you talk about like a

conspiracy theories like the petro dollar

and he's like you and then he was like it's just like those nazis talking about anti semitic shit i'm like dude the petro dollar is not a conspiracy theory

the us made a deal with saudi aramco saudi arabia

they have to denominate their dollars in they have to denominate their oil in dollars

so how was there a conspiracy

yeay i i'll bet you think if you tied him up to a lie detector tsk he doesn't even believe that that that it's anti semitic he didn't even believe that it's just a fuck when he was to say

he was trying to say it's in the same league is that

oh my god and i'm like bra i'm tau i'm telling you shit that like

yeah the int the establishment academics are saying i'm telling you shit that they're saying

you know i'm not telling this

to me that's hilarious the petrosar one but i only caught the last bit of it and i was so shocked that i'm like

first of all the constitution is vague

that's what i said too i was like it's vegs

yeah

but the whole of

that the parties are resilient

in name yre

yeah that's what i said i was like

i was like so and i was like so just because they kept the name that means the resut people even argue that the party switched then blah blah blah

the did yah bro yeah it changed

they changed f but the at know i'm sathing i'm saying these lips

on this corner they argued thisst has argued that the party s

the ot is he talking a the vote everything's shit has changed since obama but the fart

it's fucking stupid dude

but

yeah all of this shit was about the third part shit like it all the third party arguments really dumb and i

i was like

yeah brath it

yes

plarty hasn't existed and it's like w

who cares if it hasn't existed the time is right for one nw

the point is it's in the shadows yeah yeah exactly

the third party will either come as hypernationalistic

or communist

yeah yeah

yeah i mean

b i don't

i don't even know what to fuck and say man is this do i don't even know i clearlye

i was clearly bro bro clearly you're an anti semite because you're not for a u s foreign policy barming little children in the middle east

yeah r dude i wasn't even talking about him at all that's the crazy thing i started the stcream and i was like

i was going on a rant about something entirely different

that had nothing to do with any of them

no

watcho with lus brother onther pro fucking sting in telvan

you're pro what

they're proab staying in tealivan due

there are very strange people in that corner of the web man

they're like bo why the fuck did we leave taliban why the fuk di we leave afghanistan

for get aways

yeah that's sjust

raw that's falking crazy

it's like it's like it makes me feel like i'm the crazy one because like this dude's got what two point five k viewers

and i sound like i'm crazy right now just saying basic shit and i'm just asking questions like oh so i

do you believe that the current monetary system is going to be in place in the

like the u s dollars going to survive even though the

the price of oil is changing als and he's like

oh yeah i'm just like shocked i'm like

it was miss to two thousand people

for me what shocks me more is not only its an economic collapse but it's

look how much debt students are in you think something's not going to happen with this country

no appently i just do i just ask him questions he just and you know you know what's funny

how is the great research a conspiracy theory when it

the words great recent came

from politicians it didn't come from the web

i don't know i have no fucking idea like they keep saying the word great rees that you know conspiracy means like we assume

but this one came straight from like the top

so

or does he think that

then the fourth industrial revolution is it gets is

broud

bro they'll be look at clauses bro they'll be car sharing

right your car sharing is

yeah yeah it means little steve will be in a minivan with other little guy i like to tell him about like smart cities and how work is going to change and how everything's going to change

and he's like no no everything's going to be the same

i want his copium to be real

yeah

no i'm just shocked i'm like how can anyone believe this

yeah here's what i here's what i'm get is like

sometimes a leap can just say

you can drop facts on them you'll be like noo look at this book it's called the i have this book i worded recently

the fourth

industrial revolution

you can send him that book and he'll say now b that's a conspiracy

do i i did recommend him a few books and he said they're all conspiracies and

they're not h they're not i tried to show i tried to explain to them how the u s economy works

and how it's like all after world war two it's about the being the reserve currency and the

oh noo the only book n one thing i told the book

the only book stephen reads is the official nine eleven commission report

good one of the things i told him was

i told m about how

since two thousand and eight

all economic growth has been based on bank issued government printed dollar credit

and not capitalist profit

that you act

yeah and he thought that was like a crazy thing to say i was like

yeah it's not based on capitalist composition or profit since two thousand and eight

it's based on quantitative reasoning and government issues any moderate economic

yeah ec economist uh believes in that too h why is that a conspiracy

well i don't know that's he's just not knowledgeable he's not knowledgeable about

the real world he's only knowledgeable about the headlines

no i don't believe that i believe he is knowledgeable he refuses so

i don't know i don't know i don't know what it's like

no dod he do da

libels are dumb stepn's not dumb he plays dumb

he know he know

you think he fuking actually thinks the great reasons a fucking conspiracy

get the fuck out your b

dude i don't know what i don't know what

i don't know bro no bro he trust me when i say

when he goes to bed

he assumes that uh

a lot of changes coming with enormous speed like klaus

klaus said

yeah def i mean he's gota dude there's no

there's i refuse to believe somebody could be this fuck and stupid

be real yeah he's not the he's not

he can't be this non knowledgeable dude you know

you got to have some knowledge of how

his community is dumb as fox i'm not going to lie

they're very stupid they think

they thought that epstein's mainstream articles were

conspiracies i'm like you on i wonder it is it a conspiracy that

the cal rihause trial was filmed by every media

twenty four hour coverage

but the gislane maxwell trial has given no coverage at all anywhere

and they're not filming it or anything

clearly that's clearly you're just a conspiracy that was the

do it because no i am going to hold on what rack

the fact that you know who just lane is proves proves that the media is not hiding her from you

butll it's i can't i can't believe it it's like

within the cow writen house twenty four hour seven day a week coverage for that forever

the gislane trial nothing

you know you know what's funny is that

there was week there was a month before the epsen stuff where i said politicians traffick children

and everyone on twitter called me a conspiracy retard

and i'm like dude these articles are in australia they're in berlin they're in every fucking newspaper and they're like youh you're just a conspiracy theorist

and then when it leak the road then it's all like what the far then all a sudden the leftist became conspiracy theaters

i swear to god sit in a room filled with libs

and say t right now say politicians traffick children

there'll be one that lasts hysterically

and then when you mention the epstein stuff you'll but oh yeah but that's one guy

they're so fucking weird ro

they're so fucky won

and yobrog if you read the list of epstein island democrats borgh

they'll always point to the one republican it's fucking weird

oh my god yeah braw yeah fucking

that no one's gonna talk about bill clinton being on the fucking plane

it was in nineteen times but that's a conspiracy bra

yeah apparently that's just a gear

it's all go he just

he just liked the island

no

dude

yeah i i don't know dude i'm just waiting i'm just waiting to be vindicated because

any any f i said two years from now probably one year from now dude

i can't believe i can talk to someone and ask

is are the republicans going to clean house in twenty and twenty two

and they say ah

probably not

baby

like you live in canada

but you know enough about what's going on in the us to know

the republicans are winning twenty twenty two right

well i i'm be honest okay

they'll be a resistance but winning republicans beating social media tech giants like this

hell no i can't see them wining

but will there be a resistance from the shadows of everyone whose

band of social media yeah one hundred percent

right

listen

the there was a election in virginia

recently and not elsewhere

the republicans cleaned house with the fucking democrats

i know broke broke mut the mut the stream i got someone to tell you ok on i'm a mutan

yeah bright it's like a lot of people think that

you know this is this is how they think right

they think oh i want twitter

and i go on the

twitch and i go on you tube but i don't see these people anymore so they don't exist no more and i'm like

know there's a whole shadow internet that you don't know about

yeah

like yeah you know it's hilarious because it's not even a shadow internet there's shadow opinions of people on the internet that don't give the real opinion

yeah

yeah so real

and you know what's funny is like

ah you can even see waves

waves of uh the divide in the u s by let's go brand in and all that shit right

no it of apple it was on top of apple music

oh let's go brandon is just a conspiracy theory bro

oh yeah yeah that's antimic com on

yeah

know and another thing b oh y know testy once argued a year ago or two years ago that so uh social media isn't controlled by dems

he he said he said most social media favors the right wing or something

oh

ya ya right this's

no but you can sum up destiny's fucking greatest argument of all time

i forgot who he was talking to but

and the guy said most men are stronger than women and steven said what about ronda rousy is like you think you could take ronda rousy at the funniest part of that argument

is uh yes i can

i can't think it

there was that thing where the funky woman's soccer team was beaten by ten year olds

yeah yeah no was onteen year olds i think

yeah something like that like what the fug

no one thing those crazy eye opening to me was someone in chad said a fourteen year old boy

can out wrestle

a grown woman

yeah

and i'm like yeah he can easily do it i never thought of that

it's true obviously it's true

no but uh you got to debate this anymore often i just tuned in last second i'm like oh this is gold man

right it's so boring though it's like we just al it's always the same thing he just gives up

heyeh you know what's weird is that's not his style it's only with you

yeah

he just gave up so i had to keep like pushing it along because he kept wanting to give up early

so weird

but it always happens unexpected i never look to debate him he just always happens you know

oh i'm goninga be debating him in person

wy

h january there's like an event that i got invited to

and yeat in texas in january

it's like in houston or some shit

no shaw you bro you're going to have your fock rod that sounds kind of dangerous i'm not going to lie why

because don't like

i i don't know it just in person like i obviously stevens the normal guy but his chat

you know the you know you need to talk

yes they would tax you

well they would donise me but how would they

i'm just saying in person i wouldn't you know like i wouldn't uh trust anyone there

oh no i'm not i'm just going to go to the event you think i'd get like followed back to my hotel or some shit

no no not record it i'm saying you might get recorded

oh yeah yeah oh no nothing will happen

yeah no you know it's crazy is um

i have a conspiracy theory

yeah

you know how destney always debts everyone

yeah yeah

he turned down every single debate with you on my royales which was weird

and so did irrelevant when i invited him royale with you right

i just think they see me as a as a as like a

i'm outside of their like bubbles or whatever i'm not like debating what the media is always saying i'm bringing new stuff and they don't like the new stuff

you i'm saying

like i talk about shit that you don't see on twitter on the media

no no you have some offline conversations live that's why they don't like you yeah yeah

yeah

nothing to is this unrelated but do you got to send me that address in l a

yeah yeah i didn'took i didn't book the flight i didn't book the flight yet

oh you didn't

i i didn't do it yet i'm about to do it uh today

i thought she ask alady did yeah i'll book it as soon as you do

yeah yeah

but and i'm thinking of staying like maybe fucking

fourteen days

are we going to go to austin

i don't know man i really don't know 'cause ih

this trip is costing so much money already like a shit ton of money

what for the air bn b

yeah i'll tell you this stuff offline but uh

basically you know

but i to let you know i don't know if to save money or whatever but

i can get a place for free

yeah but that means we're with some falcon stranger ight know

what just us yeah

well how much of us are there i don't know how many people can fit

walle w's in an apartment

no it's a hotel

how do you get it for free

i'll tell you offline but

it's yeah

a this some sketch shit n not sketch it's not sketch

ok do i got to suck someone off

no it's family i i'm really itsn i have relatives

oh ok basically i have relatives that have a timeshare

they're going to give me because they're not going anywhere for christmas

are you folking serious so i don't have to spend the time

i have to see how big it is because how many people are going to be in it

broke i'll kick hirun out he'll be us to

oh us two is easy yeah us two is easy

but here's a i don't know i can have it for fourteen days

no no probably just seven and then we have to go somewhere else

oh that's even better bro that's ok than broth than foods on me with the folk

yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what i was trying to tell you yeah it's like a it's free seven days

but how the hell do i seriously doubt you can do that

it's my relatives timeeshare dude trust me

have you done it before

yeah

years ago

oh my fulking god know that's actually insane

oh what part of the city

i have i don't know that's what i wanted to ask you because i think we have options

because it's a hoteh my god brokk i're got to call you wen i'm off it yeah h what

you know there's a royal today you coming

yeah of course of course

dude dude hold on you folk in serious we actually have options

yeah

all that is foking insane

and you're the best part of what i go to you and i'm going to tell you one of the options we have

but you don't have to mute you don't have to mute and i'll tell you it i don't want to

bril

so how many people though because it's going to be us tore that's that's the thing

the other people are just visitors they're not gonn to live with us

we they're not going to stay with us

no not because they already live in the city

they look o but isn't yeah

ha on didn't i'm wing to move sec

is

he lives around all these people live

yeah broh broh then yeah you should have told me that cause yeah if it's just going to be us two i easily that's easy just two people

easy that's

and you know if it's like some moto six i'm down it's not it's a really nice one too t pro moto six broy no guy you can get a fk you can give me a ground listen when you see oh gro you can you can give me a ground for twenty bucks liker

are we alive

yeah

i'm kidding

when you see it you're going to be like holy fuck how did you get this because it's going to be that nice trust me

that's really the last person on earth that i thought would have a foking hotel hoka

yeah but i got relatives

do that search your falk in blessing bo

y

yeah brian that

are you taking a plane

yeah well obviously the fock i live in michigan

no no no if if you want to rent a car we can f can rent a car you'll if you'll we can actually rent a frey that with the

b wis

i yeah wait we should rent a car probably

yeah yeah'll geep you money we rent it under your name

oka yeah yeah yeah wait so should we fly in the same day then

not we should have a full seven days together

and there

and yo i don't know if you know anything about me but like i like to do in and out bro i don't have in and out so i do it every day

ll like ubriates or whatever

yeah broad like i we don't have it in canada so i'm going to fucking go hard i'm going to get a i'm going to get like a week

two week membership at a gym to

i'm solw down the train

yeah it's goinga be fun

onm so down a fuckn train like goh

what's our schedul going to be like when what time a' we going to wake up early

that can change but

it's three hours so it's three hours earlier than me

so

can we get two bathrooms or is that possible i'll see i'll see i hopefully hope

but yeah in the bathrooms i'm broken because when i was in folking austin

yes i got two two bathrooms and snoger and i would always take a shit at the same time and we'd scream at each other from different bathrooms as we're shitting

and sometimes we don't even face time each other shit

and uh yeah we need two bathrooms for

yeah yeah i'll see what i can do

i can't guarantee that though but i'll see what a the bathroom is going to be really nice too th

really let's sitch hour and everything

you know that's sick i didn't get like two rooms

yeah obviously well you know what e if i was to take a fucking couch i'd be happy to me no no it's no n noh it's probably going to be two rooms but uh

it's not gona be couched it it'll be two bads

two beds

yeah and this pus hes fantas

this place is fancy right

yeah so we shouldn't be that loud and shit

i don't know but i don't

why are you laughing like i'm saying we're banging each other ro

no i'm saying i don't i don't know i don't know what limits we can push when it comes to be aloud like

bro i'm telling you bro

this is gonna be a hilarious bazart

first all you need our own rooms though because if you tried you try tinder in l a

ro i just put streamer on my t right to your partnered to it the funniest bucking ever brouhe there it's like

they're f they they will see us as a like i look like a christ like figure when i'm out there

yeah yeah that's hilarious

i copy the destiny thing where he just like uses this cloud th it's going to be christmas to and it's going to broug this gon be so f i swear to go i know i know

dude dude it's going to be ah

will do a i'll cook your turkey

how about that

now but how you going to cook a fucking turkey in a hotel room

the fog

it's possible we have another

no

bk that bro it's going to sme's going to smell that shit up

bro fuk in l a

it's going to be great you think it's more busy or less busy on during christmas

oh you know what

we have to go see the new matrix

let me look up whe it is

go hellog

what

december twenty second damn this one is coming out

we're going to get some only fanes girls to cook the turkey and shit

ro matrix comes out the twenty second

'm down y'll us do at the bulles and watch it brow

is it legal in california

yeah and if it isn't give's a fuck because i'm doing all sorts of shit there i mean like can you just buy it from the dispenser yeah

you can ya

all base base are

some people even give it out for free on the streets it's go crazy

i don't trust that but

brother listen

i'm aw of you

good

that's a crazy girl i want to somewre

i mean ya yeah

what would happen if you said that on muted

i don't know i don't know that's the thing i don't know

oh you're just being paranoid ok being safe yeah yeah

but

yeah b's going to be crazy and fuk and do the only the only thing i got to watch out for in l a

is i can't get fat

bee

and you won't you you

you you won't get facts we'll have so much to do it's not like

it's not really like we're not staying in one spot we're moving around a lot and

plus

you won't get fat because it'll be so many chicks so like you know you'll lose appetite and get hard

yeah

does that make sense

like i noticed food only tastes good when you're like kind of locked up and have no chicks right

get a room

o we're going to do a lot of wlorw together

not chill

you know cha if he loses a lot of weight for this guy's on cok

i'm kidding i'm kidding yes

the fug h

and jo we're actually going to

well i'm not even gona i'll never fuck and stream you i'll only capture a good angle i'll put the phone down i'll do you like this angle do you think you look good here and you'll be like yeah

and are hit live

and wouldill surprise you with a ton of chicks on streambrook

gro and i'm bringing my laptop so we're going to be able to do indoor streams to

yeah i was going to should i get should i buy a laptop th all this or

shoulred we just use yours

mine is really really good but you should probably get a laptop anyway

you know it's use yeah

should probably go in anyway and then if you want you can just return it

if you know it from best buy you can just return it at a best buy in l a

yeah you know how i know i need a laptop bec cause i'm like

i just love

download the fok caps

i

uh did the fucking royal start well i don't think it's going to start for a while because

the introls are usually super long

incho soup user uh what laptop i got

i have ah

what is it

a it's uh a sus i got the a sus it's a sick a sus laptop

that she see

gonna be crazy

or he ca

llo

here are just ros isn't destiny in l

ah

walk i don't know

yeah i think so yeah

fox did you know the only way out

i'm going to the the only the only fun thing we could do

tell him don't go live so his community is not there and us three chill offline together and just eat you know we get to talk to you know offline he's so funny ro

roll off lighte he's outll the

offline he no lib brow he is normal

t do dove

joana is there too

uh no she's in san diego

oh really

yeah

i thought she does the iras

no

abrougt fox san diego that play sucks

z is the zoo in l a because we should go to a zooo

h

i thought the zoo was in san diego

oh i'm fucking down to irel stream the zoo yeah

yeah we we're getting kicked out man

mm

thats the thing both that's the thing is like

we also have to be a little mature because you and i are not that we're not the elk boys they will tase us to death

you know right you're actually they're going to see us as terrorists so we need to calm down wen we're out there

yeah bro i got to be careful too because i know you act crazy and shit and

n l a p l a p d r straight up for they'll shoot us for no reason b

yeah we got to be careful

yeah

see it man

i'm going to make sure before i go i get a haircut i'm going to get my beard good and everything and then i'm going to worry about shit

yeah now you're going to see ro we're going to be smashing chicks and flip flops you don't need to look at

mm

yeah bok in the

who else is in l a that we know

i

i never remember but people just

b i'll be walking on the street and people just come up to you like it they come out the woodworksprow so i i never remember

all i know is

we must see manual first right

and many is the greatest du

add his e

he's just like a home

hod me you know i mean

yeah yeah yeah

real yeah

balk in

what else should people do in l a i was thinking you and i me we wen go to like we can go to like you do that do you and i go to the church of scientology

we'll do that we'll definitely stream that but we can also go to like disneyworld or some shit

the universal

wa broke this is my first trip

where i'm not with just a broski like offline i actually get to talk about politics and shit i'm interested in

and yo

we i actually get the breakdown society with you live like i can drive we could go to wal mart and i could be like look at this fucking shit

that's likets hilarious f

do they wouldven have to go let's you care let's dress up as characters men

yeah yeah i think of going full trump supporter

now dude you have to be careful in l a you'll get a taxed

no but i did it last time they did nothing

really

yeah bro i'm actually a lot bigger than i look i'm i actually did they have to be duane johnson size to fuck in land a good hit on me and shit that i'd feel you know like we can dress up as anything we i'm going to me one sing

not

ma get you joes

come mere come here

yeah

well that is i don't know why you meed it i think that's a lot to say

e okay

now did you know you know the weird thing is uh

you haven't been in l in a while

oh it's been like ten years

y

yeah there's no reception at venice beach it's i know it's hard to believe but uh really

you can only record you can't go live on venice beach it's the worst connection ever

is is bevennet's beach where they got the outdoor gym

oh yes

is that is that like accessible to everyone

basically venice beach is filled with the ugliest people you'll ever see in your life why would we go there

that's the weird thing is like you think l a is all beautiful people in shit but not that's the hills and those people are like augmented and fake

why don't we go to why don't we go to like a better beach there's like a laguna beach and all that shit no i'm saying ud what watch around l a you're going to say to yourself wile just americans are ugly in general

really

you're going to be shopbrow women a

me and canute were shot

hold on more than aston

oh identical

no because let me tell you what austin had a bunch of every

every one was thick and awesome every girl i saw buk a fat ass

austin ah like you liked it

yeah

were you in the clubs or where

everywhere

everywhere you go

i'd be like damn this same michigan

but

listen

no in bright is asking is the royal happening people are in the discord

yeah yeah it's happy

so

alright yeah

oh i'm a go liver now piace

all right well wait should i should i raise you right now or should i wait

we'll finish what you were talking about and then read

okay ya ya alright

all right silan

and you your your your your

yeah how does chack

gifs ubs if you think you meat destiny

mmhmm

i see it

yeah

you brom

it's crazy i had so much shit lined up talk about today

but

i'm

austin's full of beautiful youll moan thank you so much for the five man preciate you s so much man thank you mon

appreciate you manm

o that

n the rayo litter givets us with knowledge before

i m i just do holy fok anonymous with the tenty anonymous with oney holy shit

jesus reaper

thank you so much man

appreciate you

talk about that stuff i was talking about the future coming civil war the c p s a and all that kind of stuff

not a whole speech planned

so i got to get back on my groove

i'm probably going to go p first i'm a go take aup piss and i'll be back give me a second

give me one second we'll take up

yes

say good

you'll never see me again

what you never heard me break your heart

you didn't wake up when we di you'll never see me

yeah what i was saying the basic reason for why i talk about a third party is because as we saw with the recent

court case with be about abortion right and that was on the headlines the judge said are we setting a precedent that the institution of the judiciary and the constitution is just a matter of political acts right so the neutral foundations of intant democracy in the republic is becoming politicizeds

used for political these political partisan divisions have overtaken the institutions of the u s state as the primary sphere of authority legitimacy in power twitter has replaced the constitution as the site of legitimacy and authority in this country pn't

don't believe in this country anymore right they don't believe in its institutions or whatever right

i'll give my speech tomorrow since detiny brought us to this point we're going to watch michael hed hudson talk about the u s economy

we're going to wen he's going to explain to us the current economy

that the petrodre the conspiracy theory

from five years ago

yah i'm not goninga go through that dumb ass article

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a shadow did a few months ago with mark bligh

he said biden

was caught between

black rock in a hard place

i thought that encapsulates pretty well where the biden administration is with its economic policy

it's beholden to intertwined with black rock and the financial sect

but must deliver some of the promises it made to workers to get elected

there's also a very real problem of digging out of the destruction of the covid pandemic

which is far from over

biden set some goals

that could even be described loosely as progressive

but is he serious about delivering

and could he

even if he is

now joining us is michael hadson mikael

s an economist professor of economics at the university of missouri

it's a city

he's also former

wall street analysts

s

commentator and journalists thanks very much for joining me michael

goet to be back aall

sos a lot s

fights going on here on many sides of this biden

now

economic plan the supposed to be three

one moment

th point five trillion another one for one point five trillion republicans do predictably

what they would always do in the situation is try to stop a democratic

party administration from accomplishing anything

joe mansion from west virginia might as well be in the republican party

except i suppose it does give the democrats

that the chairs of important committees assuming

that does help in some ways

and uh they've got this kind of dual problem as i described you know they have

you know even one of the men

senior black rock guys is now

on by this financial team

clearly the financial sector has enormous say

although it's an interesting mood of the financial sector the're not all that against some stimulus spending now at least sections of it

anyway it's a complicated picture all of which right now is leading to

the legislation being stalled so

what's the big picture for you and then get into the mice

well in a way the big picture is in the tiny details

and the tiny details is in the

yup

pay to play politics that in order to

run for office and get elected

a you have to raise money

and if you have to raise money what you do you go to the campaign donors

and what do you do well that the rule of thumb is every dollar that a campaign donor pays

and they get a thousand times back and the problem with the the

obviously with bidens program right now

is look at the people who've been able to raise the most money

well in west virginia since you mentioned thisr mansion i mean here's a state with a population of equal to brooklyn

ah basically

and mansion's family owns the coal mines

a and he said well there's such a delicate

balance

between the two parties

that you really need my vote and you're going to have to make make me representing the coal industry right the climate change law

so america's climate change law

put forth by biden will be written by the coal industry

along with the oil industry which of course is the other

a set of mature donor

a and alongside of that the other major contributor

to the campaigns of

republicans and democrats alike

but especially the cinemas

campaign in the

o arizona

and that clyburn's campaign in that

south carolina

is the pharmaceutical industry

so in order to get the democratic national committee

to designate you as a candidate

you have to outpoll all of your rivals and who can get the most money

from the special corporate interests that you are committed to represent

so i

what you have of the situation

a in congress and politics

this very different from what you would have in law

if if this were a court case

to decide what policy to have

a judge uh if a a a judge own the

stock in the

huge coal company

he would have to recuse himself

from writing that

but in not

politic and democratic politics

h the reason that mansion wouldn't recuse himself and the

recipients of pharmaceutical money well

refuse themselves as

that's why they get the money

well the thing it the thing is if senators

had to recuse themselves because of conflict of interest

you might have only three or four senators left to vote on any

that the problem right there

so the question is do do we live in a democracy or do we live in an oligarchy

ah we live in an oligarchy where it's sort of a

pad the

play and the people of the largest campaign contributors

yet to designate

who are going to write the laws

in their own interests so that's what's paralyzing

biden's plan

so biden the problem is if you have politicians elected

by who can raise the most money from the special interest

howners can they get voters to vote for them

well the job of a politician is to deliver

a given segment of voters to

the campaign contributors

h so that they can win over other politicians who

don't get us money from these campaign contributors because

they wouldn't give them all of the special interest favors that politicians are able to get them

so

corruption this used to be considered corruption

but now it's built into the system

is

part of the basic system

and uh that's not how uh

democracies are supposed to work

ok so so hang on a second so

biden

let's assume biden is serious about wanting the

pass this three point five illion plan

he seems to

and he's got obviously sections of the financial sector that think they'll make a lot of money out of it and they're they're in support

let's assume they actually do understand there is a climate crisis and again if you read

the statements of larry think from black rock and some of the other people in the financial sector

many of them do get there is an urgency now whether they're willing to really do anything about

is quite another question but at any rate

i think they do want to pass this

gordon peterson is balding

true this does look like jort ball jordan peters

so in the reality of the situation

what can biden do about joe mansion

and

west virginia

to try to force him

to go along with this why

is is there anything biden can do

well first of all you use the word urgent this is a little outdated i don't know if you want to watch this one because it's a little outdated

so this is talking about the infrastructure bill and its obstacles

i want i think we should watch this one s there's two of them i think

we should watch the debt one

the collapse of the dollar toward an end of the uus

monetary empire

this one's good michae watson on super imperialism how america rules the world

yeah this one's important

oh well

with no further ado i'd like to welcome all of you to join me and welcome michael hason

well i feel very audio sucks

so can you talk about

the differences in the additions and how they reflect the changes

builder

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this one

yea

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and we're back on the zero hour ees always am your host

richard r j

escow

i've looked forward to speaking with my guest my next guest for a very long time i've been reading his work

and i

following his thinking to the best of my ability for quite a long time he his work on

dad

i had a was a major fact

during shaping

the debt work of my late friend david graber who's been on the who had been on the show a few times and by

extension was a major factor in shaping the occupy movement he is a

that

per

proles other comunty

ree consists of

well the basic point is that america controls other countries

financially more than militarily

and u

i wrote the book right after the united states went off hold

in the nine hundred seventy one i've written chapters and published them before

but the big part of the book is on the balt of the payments the entire balance of payments of the united states in the fifties

nine hundred sixties

part of the seven days is military and character

and as a result of the military spending culminating in the vietnam war the united states was losing

what it had

had given it all of the world power

since the world war one

it had

over seventy five percent of the world's gold

and it was losing this power

and

when to the united states was finally forced off gold

uh by the uh military spending

the the american government and the state department not it thought

this means the're the end of the american empire

and what i wrote was well actually this strengthens america's ald over the rest of the world

because in the nineteenth late in sixties and seventyes

every uh

friday we look at the when i work with the chasement at bk

is there a balance of payments economists

we'd look at the federal reserve gold holdings and how much gold would cover the dollar bills that you have in your pocket

well general the all was ashing in

are the money that we would s yeah

and fine oth

the goal was like give me my gold bitch i don't trust this

e i have to pay attention to france france is not just a u s puppet france is a thing

youys got to understand france is a thing

a clash with the us

you know

vietnamese currency

the vietnamese bank ha send a the paris

paris return in the dollars

for golden america thought without

without having go

how are we going to finance our military spending

and without monetary spending how can we support

and for some other countries to

support our policies

but what i said was once and i going y yeah i'm actually just waiting

to they started

because

that's what i want to read in when they actually start

one central banks

are no longer able to use their dollars to by gol

because america has gone off the gold standard wont saw it

all they have

to by our u s preasury bill

and so all of a sudden when france

for germany

or even russia or china

go game

dollars

all i cauln to do was to keep thehim safe

was to recycle theto the united states

to by u s perjury bomb

youre treasury security

and when they bought these securities

they were not only financing the balance of payments deficit

they were financing america's domestic budget deficit

so leaving the rest of the world without an alternative to the beller

ah

now that they close go

meant that other countries were tied in keeping their savings

by making loans

to the united states that use this money to finance the military spending that circled them all

ah

they were financing their own subsidient

and that

the

immediately the largest a buyer of the books were the ca and the defense department

ah i was hired by herman a sidents

nothing

to go down to the wightls and to explain to them

how this was working they didn't really intend

in two

create an exploative system

but they said this is

we're getting a free lunch

from the rest of the world

well

the reason were do i decided to republish the

a new edition of superperialism was to explain

this is why

russia and china and iran and venezuela

and other countries

are going off

the dollars theanded

because theyre by avoiding dollars

they're no longer financing

the the american military spending or the financial takeover of their econom moi

that that was upressing world power

and since world war two and in fact and since world war one

and michael hudson i've wrestled with this question in my own mind a lot because you hear people use the rhetoric that

the american empire the you know that we are an imperial force in the world and it seems what it feels like what it seems like is that

it's an invert it is real but it is an inversion

of what people normally think of as a traditional empire right because the traditional empire you think someone goes portuguese british somebody goes in france with force

into africa or other parts of the world

impose themselves by force

and extract

the wealth

it almost seems now like we've inverted it that we we had up until recently by being in effect the safest place for people to put their money once gold went away that we were extracting the wealth and using that using it to build up military power instead of the other way around do you get what i'm driving at

yes we actually america only uses old colonial force and maybe forty or fifty countries

honduras latin america africa it's probably only overthrow overthrown for the government

ok i sar right fir plot that doesn't count of course the c a assassination programs and the court and the the

a youre praying

giving cook fve five billion dollars worth of cookies

uh to uh reinstall ne a nazi

hiin

your friend but the biggest thing i

who' is america really going to explore

colonialism exploited less developed countries

england and europe exploited africa latin america

the genius of the american imperialism is

it exploits the most

developed countries

the industrial counpries

it exploits

mainly europe

and it would it exploited russiat under yelsen

when it essentially sent the neoliberals in there

and it would like to exploit china

and due to china what it did to russia at the

the neoliberal

ah

exploitation but the way you exploit developriy

you're not going to have you're right you're not going to have a military invasion

but here

h all you have to do is

ight

h uh

assassinate the leaders of they it in greece

to kill the communists a they did in italy

and finance pro americans and the labor parties and social democratic party is and making essentially arms and

of the state department

ah

that's not a very nice way of putting it but it can control the european politics

so that

can really explain them financially

what it wants is their money

it doesn't want other raw materials f europe

i didn't even want their industry out fmrly

it wants the money that they can make

by working in other countries and it wants to prevent europe from having its own currency

to make an alternative to the dollar and it's true that the europeans do have the euro

but they can only create

a few extra yearlds

because they've written the contitution that you can't run a budget deficit of more than three percent

of your g d p

well of course that imposes austerity

so the united states essentially says to europe

and other industrial countries

you have to impose austerity on your own economy

you have to prevent uh

a your labor force from increasing its

the revenue so that

the financial sector the real estate sector

and the monopolies can get the money and let americans

buy a share of this and remit the interest and dividends and

economic reriends up to the united states so the motive

like patience

is that it's a rounker economy

its financial it's monopolies its not it's not military

there's there there was the use of military force

after world war two but europe is now

so complacent that it's willing

not to not to grow and to

essentially to impose a kind of class war against labor there

just as we've composed here and you saw that

when the ear europe fought against greece

recently five years ago when it the bankruptcy greece

ah with a

and with

thatt leverage by the international monetary fund

and the world bank so my book super imperialism describes

of the international monetary fund and the world bank essentially impose austerity programs on other countries

so that nothing is left except

for them to eat after

uh they do their exports so they create the

uh they create h foreign earnings nothing that they can do

except some there

export earnings in some industry the united states

and and and and michael hudson i'm i'm really glad you mentioned greece

because it seems to me the way this empire works it's invisible

in most cases to most people but

h str i can think of

three examples offhand of you know when its interests are threatened it's willing to become quite visible

and i wanted to ask you about that

greece is one example where if i recall correctly at one point the european union actually stepped in

with the troika

of uh basically financially based interests and uh insisted that the greek uh legislature

uh get prior approval before passing any loss which if i recall that correctly

is an overt

act of you know but you're basically vetoing democracy

a for a country based on your own power leverage

we did the same thing to detroit michigan here in the united states were appointing emergency managers to control their debt and everything am i off base with this line of thinking here yes

it's not the troika that did it the european governments that agreed that greece owed fifty billion euro

the christine lagard of the i mf

had a list of all of the ax avoidance

that greek billionaires that put in switzerland

so they could have brabed all of this europe

had reached an agreement with breece that it was going to say ok we're going to write down your debt and we're going to we don't want to bankrup you we're going to let you go by

but uh then uh this h american then you you had uh president obama

and the secretary laid down the line to your

and first of all you had im gitner

a the badman for wall street secretary of perjury i'll go there and say

what you cannot write down the debths that greece so because the american wall street companies

have written derivati the guarantee

so that if there is a debt right there the wall street banks will have a

who made a bet

that reasonal pay will have to pay for anybody who loses money

and then president obama went to europe and said look

we're going to i

quite frankly remove you from office if you don't insistt that resps all the money

it's worth wrecking the recentconomy just so my clients my largest campaign contributors around wall street

and i have to serve my campaign commters and you're not going to write down the debt one y because the

ah

our wall street would loose so it was wall street the cold europe

what to do

don't imagine that

vicious is the european bankers are

so pingent greedy is the german and french bankers are they still will

we're willing to do something to alleviate

the the bankruptcy of of graece

and the basic impoverishment of it

h under h

under the us direction and in my book

telling the host i give all of the documentation

on these trips so the insistence on austerity abroad that other countries

must impose austerity to prevent essentially labor from getting

the fruits of its products

activity

uh and that uh the financial sector

why was this cheal condescending towards me because

he doesn't have grassroots pressure

from his audience to take me seriously

he doesn't feel like he has to take me seriously because

his audience and his friends don't

right

so that's really like i don't have this

urgency behind me

that's like on c n n where it's like

oh i have to take where houses coming from seriously because

discursively a bunch of other people are talking about it

and has represents like

a specific aut like i don't represent enough people on the internet that's very clearly identifiable

him to take me seriously i'm like

making a lot of risks and wagering on something else so

you don't have to take me seriously because i don't represent

an existing and established clan put it this way

why would nobles think about all these nobles in the middle ages or whatever right

they're not going to take seriously gangs khan gangs khan doesn't represent an established house right

it's only after gangis khan

conquers everyone that they're going to take him seriously but before then it's some random guy in mongolia they're not going to take him seriously

who is he who does he represent right

we should get all of the benefits from productivity

specifically financial institutions

controlled by the united states so

as bad as europe is

ah

if it's doing what america tells itus to do

and uh you know people on wall street as you well know love to talk about moral hazard when it comes to who providing uh cer access to funds in certain ways to working people but it seems that you know when the when the crisis happened in greece

i got a little curious about the underwriting of some of these loans

and i looked at them and they were frankly

poor quality

they were not the ones that

they there was no real due diligence there was no greece has a problem with inability to collect the taxes that they

didn't weigh in there were other considerations they didn't make they

it seemed like at some point they had a compliant greek

ah

government that you know help borrow money it was not really

thinking about worker working people's interests and so on

and yet the moral hazard stops here when it comes to you know

i didn't see anybody say well you know what you guys were careless with these loans you're going to have to take a on i'm was going to really quickly send someone a message to come on the shod on

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all right

hello

hi everybody

lucas thank you so much for the five gifted sons by the way

a

let me open up my stuff i haven't even opened up chatterino yet

listen everybody i was i was ready to stream earlier but then i decided i wanted to go eat some in and out so i did that and now i'm back from eating in and out so yeah that's m just what i did today that was like the highlight of my day was going to go get in and out

but yeah anyway thank you so much lucas again for the five gift oh my god

all all the gifted and everybody who subscribes nmally i know it's last minute shoitld i have to get these people for friday

so i normally don't stream on wednesdays but i really didn't have anything else to do so here i am we were the politics section oh i tried i tried this we got rid of this energy drink that has san gets and i got really good you know it's crazy too is it

the

i need some right wingers i need some right wingers

martine's perspective let him know

i'm wt to contact him

i want to contact the guy

i see this is

oe man ire just fked

a major haircut on this shorre

man let the greek people run their country the i

yahya is right wing

we need more like famous people

we need streamers and ships

isn't that a fair

we do another topic

big the topic on third parties is so esoterican our people accept sure

criticism of what's going on here

sorre when greece joined the european union

a there were certainreek all low southern

i don't know i i want to bring around it'll cost too much of like an issue

financial preconditions of solvency

the greek government hired goldman sachs

which are presented falsified economic accounts

to make it appear as if the greek government was a solvent

when actually it wasn't solvent yeah rob moore is always welcome

but we need more conservatives too just than him

the european move

the financial press knew this

they knew that goldman sachs and fake the accounts

ah

but they didn't care

because they know that america that the american government will bail them out

if you make a losing bet

you and you're a big campaign contributor you go to your representativere you

it would go to the obama

prase

and say we don't

wan to lose one hundred dollars when you bankrup this t'mrey and caous it a bit

cost with a billion dollars

just so we don't

lose a hundred dollars

and obama every single time said yes

so you this was really the turning point it was

two thousand

lora southern

yeah i'll see

nine and ten

stepan and mal and kn know things

he won't come and he's probably banned from everything

thed obama and diysner that the holl

financial lock in of the world economy

occurred to essentially

create a more usurius exploitative

financial system than had ever been in place before and he and the obama administration used the world bank

and the i m f is the

the sort of the bad guys and all this wre as they were really arms

of u s foreign policy and

super imperialism shows

how they were created in one hundred thirty four one hundred forty five

hold on give me one secd

dont me interrupt this

wan to see the

what is a she

privilege

and affluent people have always been integral

and successful revolutions throughout history

did you know that

sense addressing grimes and my kindness towards her i've gotten a lot of critique saying that someone like this isn't worthy of time and attention

but i will remind you that even in the russian revolution rich people helped immensely that's not to say that they were all angels before being radicalized before learning whose side they should truly be on

but once they did

gained that knowledge their help was so important take revolutionary marxist feminist alexandra colentai

born wealthy and privileged she used that privilege and power the ability to travel the language arroyal not started yet

or has it

what haes

oh it has wholeship

okay

i guess we're going to just go on

give me a moment

all right

what

i got a peace so that's why i'm in rushroom

i raid

wait on

and let me see the discord

all right

going to rerain

are guys see you

bye

see on the royal