DEBATE with JF: Socialism vs Capitalism

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hey everybody tonight we're debating

capitalism versus communism and we're

starting right now with infrared's

opening statement thanks so much for

being with Us infrared the floor is all

yours

so when socialism first acquired a

degree of um I guess social significance

uh this was during a period in which the

substantive social bonds that had glued

Society together these traditional

relations in the countryside

particularly among peasants the

traditional way of life per se you know

the the kind of patriarchal and

parochial bonds that were passed down

from generation to generation and which

were reproduced to Moors and through

custom intuitively that more or less

while not guaranteeing by any kind of

universal right gave people a minimal

sense of stability and Sanity and

normality and basic Rhythm to their

lives and with the dawning of what we

call today modern industrial capitalism

there was this complete Severance of

people from their traditional way of

life which they experienced as a loss of

fundamental sociality so modern Indus

industrial capitalism specifically as it

took form in modern England represented

this ant this very alienating

anti-social tendency

um as far as the from the perspective of

most people I mean people were kind of

being herded into these crowded cities

with no regard for you know human life

or you know basic uh

um

uh stat like people's basic standard of

living I mean they were more or less

treated as a kind of cattle uh to be for

their labor to be squeezed out purely

for purposes of uh profit and money

grubbing I mean peasants would describe

these factories these Mills uh of

English modern industrial capitalism as

like monsters that were literally

consuming people right and then we all

know from um

the poem I actually I think it's by

Blake Jerusalem that these satanic Mills

right

um

so we have this kind of uh clear

Association of modern industrial

capitalism with this fundamental

anti-social evil and loss social because

it's not specifically A system that was

designed by anyone but it just

represents this wild reduction of every

aspect of life not only to the interests

of private property but to the narrow

interests of the pursuit of profit

um obviously we don't live in that kind

of capitalist uh system anymore which

actually leads me to a provocative point

I think people don't really

entertain as much as I think they should

which is that we either have or are

already slowly transitioning into a

post-capitalist system States and

governments since

um the early 20th century or mid 20th

century depending on how you want to

look at it no longer view the economy as

this kind of laissez-faire Wild West in

which things just are treated as

um natural occurrences but as something

that has strategic significance for

National Security and a tool that's used

to raise people's standard of living and

well-being no matter how they're doing

it whether they're going about the

soviet-style system of the 20th century

or something else

um the recognition of the fact that the

economy is more or less supposed to work

in a way that benefits the majority of

people is something everyone even

Libertarians kind of take for granted so

I wonder in these debates of the

capitalism versus socialism if it's in a

sense already over socialism kind of

already won because capitalism wasn't

some kind of like designed system that

people implemented to benefit people but

it just refers to a kind of state of

Anarchy in the forces of production uh

where things are just kind of thrown up

in the air uh and a completely

anti-social basis so I

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opening statement as well thanks for

being with us JF the floor is all yours

I think that has is mixing different

things here when he talks of the modern

world having a dehumanizing aspect to it

I would agree with a lot of things here

but let's let's be clear about what's

attributable to capitalism versus

socialism and let's be clear about

what's an attributable to the

circumstances of modernity and modern

production because it presents a kind of

paradisiac view of the Old Farmers that

eventually grew either into communism in

the Soviet Empire or into capitalism in

the English system

the fact is that there were farmers in

the places that became communistic and

there were farmers in the places that

became capitalistic and there was no

contradiction between being a farmer

being close to Nature and capitalism in

fact I would argue that the the world in

which my grandparents lived where they

were a farmer they had horses cows pigs

was a world of capitalism a world of

private property and yet it was a world

in which people were keeping a

connection to Nature so capitalism is

not radically opposed to people keeping

a connection to Nature however in

capitalism other options are available

to those who want to take them so if you

want to go work in a in a workshop of

some kind in the center of a city doing

a very narrow kind of work you can but

capitalism doesn't force you to do that

capitalism leaves it open thanks to the

conceptions of private property

precisely to do whatever you want to do

with your property I think that we

should not dismiss the workshop

lifestyle and the the life of workers as

being not the right way to live and I

wouldn't want this society that decides

that these ways of living are not worth

it I want a society where people can

work just the same way my grandmother at

times went to work in the big workshops

stacked some money continued building

her Farms with my grandfather and that's

perfect I don't think that this option

should be abolished and the problem in a

socialist system is that the state would

eventually choose for you so why does

socialism fail and before I get into

this major subject that I want to cover

tonight I'll keep reviewing what has I

said because I agree with a lot of what

he says

it says capitalism treats humans as

cattles that need to be squeezed out uh

that is just the nature of the world the

world is limited and because there are

limits to the availability of resources

people fight for these resources and so

yes a an employer must use the the best

tricks that he can use to increase the

productivity of his employees as far as

the employees are concerned they still

get their salary and they can still make

the life that they want in capitalism

with that salary that's what matters to

me I don't think that we should demean

any sort of jobs if you do it and you

end up being able to raise a family

thanks to the money you make there as

far as I'm concerned that is not a

unnatural way of living for human in

fact it's humans doing what they have to

do to survive what they have to do to

pay for their family

it says that there is a narrow and

terrorist of the person that of profit

in capitalism yes but there's also so

much so much other things uh peop most

people don't actually pursue profit most

people in capitalism in our current

Society pursue sustainability they

pursue having a little home for them and

their family they pursue very meaningful

meaningful things within their pursuit

of some salary so as far as the profit

portion of capitalism that is a a very

minor thing that really concerns certain

Elites and it relates to how people make

profits when they own stocks of a

company or their own private companies

and they generate money flows that are

in extra of what they really need for

just surviving now the question of why

there is that extra and why it's a good

thing that there is that extra in

capitalism bars down to the question of

the allocation of resources

the problem is uh Society must find a

way to allocate future resources future

workers who will you will you send a

bunch of workers to work on the iPod the

two or will you send them to work on

iPhone 14. those are decisions that

needs to be made where do I invest my

creative Endeavor where do I invest the

limits of the resources that I have to

throw our society into the future

capitalism starts this out very simply

by saying whoever had the right IDs in

the past will be rewarded with money and

they will be able to control the future

even more because they'll have more

money they can invest those profits into

the most efficient directions that they

perceive for society and because

capitalism ultimately relies on selling

stuff to people being able to find

something that people want I would argue

that it's actually very much in line

with the needs and desire of the people

there is no system in the history of

humanity that has found a way to enslave

basically everyone including the elites

to the needs and desire of the people

because every time you go to McDonald

and you buy a Big Mac you're voting for

McDonald you're voting for this kitchen

to keep operating and that's why that's

what capitalism does best actually

allocation of resources which socialism

completely fails at because socialism

believes that some human in some

bureaucracy of some kind

or maybe an association of human or a

group of humans can decide for everyone

what is word pursuing and what is not

worth pursuing capitalism says Whoever

has money will be able to fund what's

worth pursuing and they will fund it

with their own property and if they

waste in wasteful reason in wasteful

research directions they will lose

everything and eventually they won't be

able to control the future and someone

else will be here instead

here's where I agree with Taz uh

socialism kind of already won that is

true and tonight I'm not debating

whether socialism will or will not win

it will win our countries are already

very heavily socialistic I prefer even

calling them at this point Canada and

the U.S communist countries the states

have taken over so much of the

micromanagement of businesses and so

much of the means of production and we

have seen in the covet crisis that

indeed the people the state can uh shut

down the means of production as they

want and they can completely eradicate

private business if they want to and

they've been doing it so yes socialism

is here it's already here capitalism has

lost the question I asked tonight is how

long can socialism survive because of

its inherent defects and the answer is

it won't survive for long a society that

is as an official patient as a

socialistic society that doesn't have

proper Eugenics that rewards needs

rather than reward talents is a society

Bound for losing for destroying itself

out of their own inefficiencies that it

will create for people and out of the

simple fact that having someone else

decide for you having someone else take

your take whatever is left from the

squeezing out of your work and going on

a on a collective decision-making basis

with this Surplus as inevitably in the

history led to this Surplus being

redirected to corrupted and diverse that

don't satisfy people the only way to

satisfy people is to give them the right

of property so that they can vote with

their money in a capitalist healthy

Society

you got it thank you very much for that

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um so there's a lot there but I think we

should I want to kind of narrow the

focus

um I think as a matter of principle

specifically under the ideological

principles of liberalism it is true that

people on paper are supposed to have the

choice there's no formally prescribed

system that says people have to move to

the cities or have to abandon their

traditional way of life there is a level

of choice there but my argument is that

that's just on paper we look at this

from a historical perspective

um beginning with what what are called

the enclosures in in England the British

Isles and if if the audience doesn't

know what that is it's basically where

you know you had this kind of property

that whose ownership was not very

clearly defined but which nonetheless

peasants subsisted off of it in order to

kind of earn a living and there were

these enclosures where it was suddenly

privatized and basically it was a way

where peasants you know had to start

paying um

rent which they couldn't afford to these

new landlords and which were forced to

basically move to the cities to make a

living now that's not the only form the

proverbial enclosure takes uh the most

common form is actually debt right it's

where it it becomes increasingly

necessary to take out loans to sustain

your previous way of living I think a

lot of people after the 2008 financial

crash will be able to relate to this

it's Banks kind of if you come become a

kind of surf to the banks and in order

to pay off uh your debt you end up

having to actually have your entire

property foreclosed right whether it's

your plot of land or whether it's your

proverbial plot of land which is in the

form of your house whether it's in the

form of needing to take out debts to get

you know education or something else

um the system manages to find these ways

of actually eliminating choice in

practice and forcing people to kind of

become uh subjected to these dehumanized

amazing and if not dehumanizing in terms

of the standard of living than just

undignified

um ways of living where you know they

don't really Oh you mean in the words of

uh Carl Schwab I think you'll own

nothing and be happy right

um I agree with you that we're living in

this type of strange socialism but I do

insist on the fact that it's not the

same as the one that exists in China or

in the Soviet Union we kind of have a

socialism of the banks socialism of the

rich where Wall Street and the city of

London are engaging in the central

planning in order to enrich their own

coffers so I'm glad we agree on this

kind of inevitability of the fact that

capitalism as we know it is kind of

going away but the question

I would kind of like to post to you is

how how would it be possible to return

to a free market system when it was the

very free market system that that gave

rise to this social I mean these banks

that are becoming these like socialistic

organs of planning

um they came from the private sector

right they weren't created by by States

so that's just

yes well what's happening in the modern

time is that the corporate world which

was initially stemming from capitalistic

considerations uh and beliefs uh has now

converged toward making it a specialty

to basically screw the decisions of the

state basically employ the corrupt

agents of the state to work in their

Direction so that the so-called markets

which are not free markets anymore they

are manipulated markets in the current

world and the game is your stock value

will increase if you find a way to

somehow Force the money of people into

your pockets and this takes the form of

course of Taxation which is a farce the

form of theft and Taxation eventually

redirects these flow of funds to the

Friends of the regime and the problem is

that's that's been socialism from the

beginning it's uh it's a growth of

certain agents in society via state

power and I don't know of any form of

Socialism that doesn't converge toward

this so I'd like to hear from you what

do you mean when you say socialism

because I I don't I see it as an

inevitability that some state-like

entity will take power and will

eventually work against the interest of

the people but what is your socialism

well the way I would look at socialism

is similar to the way Marx and Engels

would look at and they would call it

Scientific Socialism what they meant by

that was basically that we're going to

recognize that there's this

inevitability of this increasing

socialization of the means of production

that's that's happening because of these

new monopolies and these new trusts the

new role of banks right and what they

were saying is that while we recognize

that fact we're going to

um make sure that these monopolies lose

their power and lose their control over

Society by making them

in some sense and it can vary what form

this takes owned by The Commons owned by

the public so the Soviet Union um this

initially took the form of just the

state owning directly most of the means

of production whereas in countries like

China you have the state

um having a privileged role in setting

the goals of production first it doesn't

directly own all the Enterprises but it

owns the purpose

um

that they work toward whether that's

increasing GDP or whether that's you

know I'm following some kind of state

directed initiative but in this way you

can preserve the most amount of basic

human dignity and Liberty because the

site the true site of our social Commons

which is actually what's being

monopolized by these bankers and these

big corporations belongs in some sense

to the people now the Soviet Union was

Riven with a tremendous bureaucracy and

tremendous levels of corruption not a

lot of people know this but during The

Stolen Years with the staccanovite

movement that was actually a movement

directed against that very same

bureaucracy was almost like a a class

struggle within the Soviet Union where

where Stalin was this like populistic

leader who was directing people against

the managerial Elites and the same

actual process happened in China with

its cultural revolution so

I think one of the big differences in

the experience of the Communists is we

can we can distinguish communism I guess

just on the formal level they were ruled

by communist parties

um a difference in that experience was

that the leaders there were kind of at

the top fighting on behalf of the

interests of the people to root out

these corrupt and bureaucratic elements

that kind of made their way squeezing in

between right and then you see a similar

process actually going on in today's

China with um not a lot and again a lot

a lot of Western audiences know this but

Xi Jinping is is a populistic leader who

is very much leading the Chinese people

and these initiatives against the

corruption and bureaucracy and

um

uh you know uh kind of almost criminal

activities of a high and low ranking

party officials so I think one of the

things I would distinguish between

communism and this kind of Banker

socialism we have now is that communism

is always engaged in this process of

vigilantly fighting against

uh those elements that do inevitably

arise that work against the interests of

the people as a whole

but the devil is in the detail how do

you accomplish this because you seem to

have just acknowledged that socialistic

that previous socialistic uh systems

have converged toward absolute

corruption you say we need to keep an

eye out for corruption but how do you

make that a reality because humans are

flawed humans follow their own

incentives and in a state-controlled

system the problem is that the

incentives are extremely skewed toward

corruption

I think I I would disagree with the

notion that it was absolute corruption I

think there was corruption but I think

movements can be led from a

collaboration between the people below

right and then the the leader above and

if the leader himself is corrupt then

you know you you you you wouldn't even

be able to sustain a strong communist

state in the first place so it's from

this alliance between a strong leader

um and the people that I think

addresses that corruption the most and

in this case of the Soviet Union this

was people like Stalin this was people

like Mao and today it's Xi Jinping into

a lesser extent I know Russia is not

communist anymore but Putin also

fulfills this role to an extent uh in

his battle against the Russian oligarchs

so I think there has to be a certain

level of

there's no systemic guarantee in other

words I think in this Unity between a

true leader and the people you do have

this element where it's not a system

securing anything is going to happen but

you have a genuine human initiative uh

not premised by any system but just

and uh not purely based on voluntary

will but just it's the way humans assert

their agency over systems in the first

place

and you know Hegel I don't want to get

too convoluted here but Hegel described

the role of the Monarch I think in a

similar way not in the populous sense

but just Hegel described this kind of

political system and he insisted there

had to be a monarch just to represent

that aspect of human Freedom that's not

conditioned or rigged by some kind of

system

well it's stunning to me how naive this

is you're basically telling us you

believe human beings will combat uh

corruption as the 10 Stars itself into

the system capitalism has a much better

answer to this it doesn't leave it to

humans capitalism says you will interact

with whoever you want you will buy from

whichever Corporation produces stuff

that you want and as such if a

corporation cheats or produces a product

that is not satisfying to people on the

long term they won't make money anymore

no one will buy their product and again

and again we we see corporations be born

and disappear based on the quality of

what they bring to the market uh it's a

it's a huge function of society to be

capable of eliminating the inefficient

and the incompetent and you have no

mechanism for it other than say I will

just trust that humans in the future

will somehow get together and pursue

Liberty that is naive and wrong by every

standard of evidence we have from

history

I disagree I think the standard of

evidence from history shows that it is

precisely the capitalist system that has

given rise to this monstrosity of the

world economic forum and you know um the

billionaire Elites you know we have the

Bill Gates we have the George soros's we

have the um Carl Schwab type of leaders

and their agenda for the great reset

this has all come from capitalism so

when we talk about potential flaws

within the Socialist system we have to

keep in mind that it didn't lead to this

point of absolute evil that we're now

facing uh from the current Global

capitalist class that's conspiring

openly now against the peoples of their

respective countries and you mentioned

that capitalism does have an element of

competition where people can choose what

products are better but I think as far

as capitalism is concerned that's just

an ideal and pay in practice it's not

really how it works in practice you have

these monopolies that work in

collaboration with the government

um

and I don't know if there's an extent to

which you know people would prefer the

iPhone over Android but all these

companies that we use to illustrate

examples of capitalism are have are very

socialistic not only in how they operate

as these kind of centrally planned

corporate monstrosities but also the

fact that they're engaged in practices

of regulatory capture they're getting

subsidiary subsidies from the US

government they work not only with the

government but even with our military in

the Pentagon there they make use of

technologies that were researched and

government funded in the first place I I

personally find it very naive to think

that the corporations that exist today

are the result of some kind of free

market rather than a um kind of

socialism for the rich that's rigged in

their favor

well I I don't think that we have free

market so I don't think that our current

system is an ideal version of capitalism

I think it's barely capitalism anymore

but uh let's go back to Bill Gates and

the greater reset and Klaus Schwab these

people wouldn't be a problem in a purely

capitalistic Society because they would

yap yap yap about the vaccine or

whatever shit they want to promote and

people would just discard them and if

you don't discard them you'd be punished

by whatever price is to pay for trusting

these voices who want to impose stuff on

people but there the problem of Klaus

Schwab and Bill Gates is that they have

the tool of the state at their disposal

the problem is that they can influence

policy that becomes LA and that

eventually oppresses people's choices it

is not a problem that Bill Gates as

amounted as a mass no matter how much

money he has amassed because that that

money is meaningless to me as long as it

doesn't have the power of flaw over my

head now when he gets the power of last

suddenly he can Veer the decisions of

the government toward favoring himself

where the propaganda are related to

medical staff to in a certain direction

and in his Advantage but that is

socialism that is the state-controlled

aspect of our society which precisely is

a violation of capitalistic principle

because it's all based on Taxation and

ultimately theft so basically

capitalists are only a problem when the

world becomes socialistic when the world

becomes State based if Bill Gates was

just a rich man talking and if people

who don't want to listen to him don't

don't listen to him things would would

go well because whoever takes this

advice and ends up dying or not

reproducing or being punished

economically for doing the wrong

counsels that he give to people they

would they would get the proper

punishment and in the future world there

would be less of the genes of people who

listened to Bill Gates and more of the

genes of those who ignore him the

problem is that in our current world we

are not to ignore Bill Gates in argument

where there is a direct line between

Bill Gates and what he wants and someone

imposing mask by force onto my mouth

that's the problem and it's a problem

that stems from State power and you

still haven't answered whether your

social your view of socialism ultimately

relies on a state-like entity

well I think the problem with this idea

of pure capitalism is just that it's an

idea at best it's um it's a utopian

vision of the world and in and more

realistically I think what we call Pure

capitalism inevitably does give rise to

you know it's opposite in the form of

this monstrous kind of corporate

Monopoly um socialism right and I I

would also like to propose the question

of how a pure capitalism could avoid

that because it's it's my view that this

site of our common sociality of our

common reality as a people of our

countries or whatever else you want to

call it

um in the form of the state that that's

that's an inevitable thing it's always

been a fact of human societies across

all of history so we either have to take

responsibility for that and

um uh ensure in some capacity that it

serves the people that we have a state

that serves the people that we have a um

government that serves the people that

we have a a common social agenda that

maximalizes maximizes human flourishing

and um

you know uh what's in the interest of

the majority of people so that these

private interests can't capture the

state and and use it because I think

this the states if we just take that to

mean some kind of central you know Unity

of the people and I know that you know

technically in communism the higher

stages there won't be a state but just

for purposes of

simplification I think that's an

inevitability some kind of central Unity

of the people some kind of Central

Social purpose and rationality no matter

how vague and Broad that has to be I

think that's an inevitability now I

think China is a good example of uh

contemporary socialist society where you

know this state doesn't necessarily

directly control everything but it does

one Serve the People and it exists for

the purposes of maximizing a standard of

living and well-being of the Chinese

people and two it sets these very broad

goals like in five years we want this

amount of urbanization we want you know

High-Speed Rail across the country we

want you know an increase in the GDP we

want some kind of

um you know more I guess sustainable way

of living we want people to have and

have home ownership and actually not a

lot of people know this China has among

the highest rates of uh Millennial home

ownership in the entire world right it's

it's it's incredible that China's

supposed to be a communist state and yet

there's less homeownership significantly

Less in in the United States compared to

China so they set these broad goals and

then they allow various different ways

in which people can set about to reach

those goals

um you know in Deng xiaoping's words uh

it doesn't matter what the color of the

cat is as long as it catches mice so

there's something the color matters a

little bit when you look at their

censorship policies they do care a

little bit about how we get to their

goals right

well China has an in a censorship

culture it has a precedent of censorship

but that also has a lot to do with Asian

culture in general where you know we

live in America we like to be able to

say what whatever we want but in more

Eastern countries you know there are

things that are just from a cultural

perspective not publicly acceptable to

say and in China's case

um you know insulting the vagina or the

People's Republic or the leaders of

China they have set that as their red

line as far as what's not a lot I don't

think we should import China's specific

way of governance to the United States

because we have a different culture

right Americans are different people

than China but I do think we can learn

from the fact that they can have a state

that serves the people and which is able

to pursue that goal

um without having the state to have to

directly actually own everything

now if I understood correctly you

believe that after a period of socialism

as many Communists believe there will be

a transition to a stateless society is

that correct and how does that happen

how do all these powerful people with

power in the government suddenly decide

that's the D-Day we're dissolving the

government

well that's just the word What

communists believe is that and this is a

process that could take hundreds of

years you know no set time but the state

eventually dissolves by becoming

Superfluous so the necessity of the

state to have to rule over men

disappears because human beings reach a

certain level through unleashing the

forces of production that doesn't

require any longer

um a kind of Central State apparatus

that

the the key word is not Central

apparatus but just Central State

apparatus so the need for coercion the

need to kind of have laws that kind of

restrict

um human Liberty to its people will

become Advanced enough to not you know

have to they'll be able to kind of obey

a common social principle and common

social awe without it having to be

enforced violently now you could say

that's a dream and that's a Utopia but I

think it's an admirable goal to have you

know for the future that you know

because I think it does set a standard

and this is by the way we know a lot

about China's authoritarianism we don't

know that China in other respects is

also a very libertarian country right in

China they don't like having you know

the police or the government always to

be in people's business and bother them

on their daily lives you know vendors

and and you know people who sell food on

the street on the side of the road and

stuff it there's much less regulation of

this kind of stuff in China than in

Western countries

and I think it's it's a good ideal to

have to not consider the state to be a

God right the state is something that

serves the people and if there didn't

have to be a state that would be great

the only reason we have a state is

because there needs to be one so for as

long as there needs to be a state there

should be a state but if we do arrive at

this point in which the states become

Superfluous and you know the productive

forces are developed to such an extent

that we don't need this kind of violent

coercive power over men and women

anymore I mean why I don't think that's

you know some something to oppose

so what is violent do you consider it's

violence the fact that people have to go

to work to have food on their table

um no I think that's an inevitability of

life right if you don't work now you're

gonna

you know if you don't you're gonna

starve and die not because someone has a

gun to your head but because no one's

going to be doing the work that comes

with living and surviving so there's a

certain extent to it no I mean you know

you do have to at a certain level work

survive now it'd be nice if we got to a

level unleashing the productive forces

where people either had to work very low

hours or you know didn't even you know

we could just have robots do everything

or something that's nice although I

think human beings will always want to

have some kind of way of fulfilling a

higher purpose through work I mean it

would be nice if if that didn't have to

happen I I think that in a modern

society I don't think it's the state's

job to force people to work especially

not in a modern society so I'm I'm

against that obviously

um so yeah

now I'm worried about the

unsustainability at The evolutionary

level of your project so I'd like to ask

some questions about this are you for

social welfare do people get paid uh uh

if they are not willing to work in a

communistic society of your kind

um

I I mean if you look at countries like

China people are not allowed to just

subsist without having to work so if you

don't work I mean I think there should

be a set minimum we can afford that in a

modern society but in order to be able

to live a fulfilling human life beyond

the bare minimum I think obviously yeah

you should have to work and I think uh I

don't think what the majority of people

want is more welfare I think what they

want is more opportunity the problem

well it seems according to people's

voting pattern that they do want more

welfare it seems that when you give

power to the people they vote themselves

the right to steal money from

billionaires and to give it to

themselves

that's not what people have voted for

though I think people have voted

generally especially in in the Trump

election of 2016 for more opportunity

they want jobs back they want their old

kind of jobs that they used to have

manufacturing jobs for good paying and

which sustain their lives or they want

to be able to live dignified lives uh in

general and the problem is that there's

no opportunity because the opportunity

has been squashed and captured by these

capitalist monopolies uh which prohibit

any real competition

but this capitalist Monopoly either our

capitalist taken therefore respond to

some need of the people who pay them or

they have a flow of money coming from

the state or from an unjust

participation of the state in the

micromanagement of society and my

problem is that the society you want to

create even if it's a china-like society

which you describe as not having a big

social welfare and basically forcing

people to work if they want uh if they

want some payment the problem is that

the state is directing the direction

that you will take in your work the

state is deciding how resources should

be allocated now it can work for a while

I have no issue with this I'm sure it

can work for decades the problem is long

term how do you how do you invest the

wealth of America in 1951

to bring it to where it is in 2022 no

one no human being no Administration no

party can ever make that decision of

driving the world forward so much that

you you start from 1951 and you

basically can build houses and roads

down to you have the internet you have

the cell phones you have everything and

all of it was basically decided by an

invisible and the Invisible Hand of the

free market and what people wanted and

what people thought people wanted

because that's what Innovation is the

problem is if you keep paying people for

working at

furthering the Endeavors of the state

and their decision of Education of

resources you send them working in

unproductive Direction you send them

also being rewarded for working in

unproductive Direction and the reason

capitalistic Society in the last century

have been leading the world in terms of

and even creating Goods that eventually

came to be used in China for example

Electronics computers internet all of it

was driven first by capitalism and

eventually got used in Asian societies

the reason we can do this is we have

allocation of resources that are based

on an expectation of profit if there's

no expectation of profit in the long

term in your system if there's no way

for people to pursue dreams that would

unlock potentials for increasing their

wealth in massive amounts you are

screwing the system of capitalism that

properly gives power to those who have

demonstrated past success in allocating

resources

I disagree though with the description

that since 1951 it was an invisible hand

driving the changes that had happened I

think if you research closely the role

in which the government and what we call

the modern deep state had and actually

planting almost decade by decade the

planning the almost decade by deck in a

very Broad and fundamental vision of the

world going forward you can see I mean

with the Brenton Woods plan with you

know the government research grants that

and and Military research that would

eventually give rise to the internet and

the government incorporation of

cybernetics you know which is systems

theory and information I think it's very

and other stuff we don't even really

know but I think it's very clear to a

certain extent I mean things were kind

of planned in a way they were not given

to the Invisible Hand of their free

market in capacity and this is

especially true for um the latter part

of the 20th century where the government

started to adopt even these top-down

style socialistic methods in order to

compete with the Soviet Union so well I

disagree with that interpretation of the

world I think it was vastly driven by

the free market you may see one or two

State actors I acknowledge that the

internet

at the beginnings was developed within

the state and eventually came out of it

but notably it emerged even if it

emerged from Agents of the state and I

think that you over represent the role

of the state in setting the

technological advancement of America but

even if I was to Grant this it came from

a capitalist society and it's like we

didn't see the internet being developed

in European African or Asian countries

it came ultimately from the

technological developments of a

capitalist society and most importantly

because capitalist societies produce

Surplus and they handle this Surplus

wisely whereas the Surplus in a more

socialistic driven Society is controlled

by the people and misdirected toward uh

their their immediate well-being and

eventually wasted basically in

consumption and Welfare

I think almost the opposite is true

though because in the experience of what

we typically associate with the

Communist experience which was China and

the Soviet Union immediately which you

did have was a separation of people from

their ability to immediately gratify

their immediatives

surpluses in the form of these kind of

primitive forms of accumulation it's

used more simple terms in case people

don't know what that means it was

basically this way of aggregating and

pooling together everybody's resources

as small peasants and farmers in order

to produce this social surplus that

could be used by the state not to

gratify people's immediate interests I

mean far far from it I mean in this

early stages we were dealing with a very

high level of poverty in as far as

people's ability to uh consume but for

purposes of Public Works to either in

the case of the USSR engage in

industrialization in the USSR I mean it

industrialized faster than any country

in history I mean maybe with the

exception of Japan I'm not sure

um and that was without any loans from

Western Banks whatsoever uh or in the

case of China

Public Works and public infrastructure

uh which is still by the way used to

this day the Great Leap Forward

um people's commune common

infrastructure still used so I don't

actually think it's true that in

socialism the common Surplus that's

produced by the people is expended in a

way that's just immediately immediate

consumption that's just not the

experience you see in history I mean

certainly not true for contemporary

China where you know resources are not

allocated all in in a way that's planned

beforehand though I would propose that

even above the kind of system China has

today

there are researchers and Scholars who

have pointed out that with the rise of

super computers and computation

Technologies I wonder if it would be

possible to rationally allocate

resources in our society in a rational

and efficient way with the kind of

decentralized and Technologies using

systems theory and the internet so on

and so on so I'm curious to hear what

what you would think about that I'll

come back to that point I will just say

about the uh the quick uh rise to

industrial society in the Soviet Union I

don't deny this it's probably what

happens when you have a lot of central

controls we often say that dictatorships

are more efficient than democracy and

that could be also uh Happening Here the

problem of course with the Soviet system

is that we have seen that in

intergenerational times it couldn't

survive it couldn't handle the

progresses of the world and the way

capitalist societies have been

successful at doing so in the face of

many changes of of economic context uh

the the Communist system is two uh two

Century control to be able to handle the

shock whereas capitalism is plastic it

can end all the shock and change and

redirect resources quickly uh on the

question of AI and rational allocation

of resources we end up with the problem

of what is rational because uh you you

talk with medical experts these days and

they think that it's rational basically

to force people to take certain Medical

Products is that rational well it's

rational by their standard because they

think that you'll save grandma from

having a virus if you take it but is it

rational by other standards is it

rational for everyone is it rational for

an individual decision maker who knows

that other people would be protected by

this medical product and do they have to

take it themselves perhaps it's not

rational for them so we end up with the

problem that wanting to centrally

control everything down to delegating

the tasks to some Central AI the problem

is that whoever sets the settings on

these AIS will have set the details of

the devil will have said how this AI

will ultimately serve people in some

ways but also massively oppress people

in other ways and we've seen it in China

with their intervention in the

reproductive domain which has had

terrible consequences the one child

policy the preference of choosing

children that are male eventually leads

today to with China being stuck with a

problem of in cells basically

so when you follow a rational uh

framework you have first to Define what

will be the basis for your rational

decision making

well um just to be clear with the new

technologies and specifically within the

Paradigm of cybernetics the difference

is decentralization so consumer inputs

would like go into a computer that's

based on the choices of the people that

would then

um determine what needs to be produced

based on what people choose so it's not

going to be drafting a plan that's going

to force people to adopt certain

consumption practices before the fact

that would be like a top-down method of

planning that's more similar to what the

kind of USSR had

um and I'll get to that point in just a

second this would be more the

incorporation of you know more

decentralized cybernetic Technologies

and information technology that operate

on the basis of feedback loops and

that's what AI does and actually in

companies

today already basically do it almost all

of the major capitalist corporations

have Incorporated Ai and have become

these organs of totalizing central

planning uh except they're actually

rigging it I mean in the case of

BlackRock you have you know money that's

being invested into various companies

based on ESG scores not on the basis of

what people want but on the basis of the

extent to which they're fulfilling the

so-called green agenda where they're

fulfilling the other agendas uh you know

they're more socially woke or you know

BlackRock has some and it's just all a

kind of bubble that's not even based on

the production of real things

um now on the point just very quickly I

want to drag this on but on the point of

the um

the Soviet Union I do agree that it came

to a point where it was not able to

respond to this new information economy

this new light economy of of the

production of consumer goods but I think

one would have to grant that China did

respond and adjust to this without

sacrificing the fundamentals of its

socialist system in a pretty

um

good way

China has survived longer indeed that is

true I suspect that eventually it's just

a matter of time that there is some

amount of change that an authoritarian

regime just cannot take and in the case

of the Soviet Union it may have been two

to three generations and in the case of

china it might be five or six but I

think any authoritarian system is bound

to face the problem that the decision

making is not made by the person who

paid the price that's the fundamental

problem of any state Authority I want to

go back to your computer system it's

very interesting because you're saying

it's a decentralized computer system but

in the end what you have done is you

have translated the real democracy and

put it in the cybernetic world if you

have a computer that asks people what

they want you still aren't haven't faced

the central problem the centralized

problem of so what is the law like if 70

percent of people vote for in your

system for

drugs should be legal and 30 percent

vote for drugs should not be legal what

is the system by which you decide what

is a proper oppression of a part of

society against another part of society

I think when you have those

polarizations that are so powerful that

they're kind of dividing people even 70

30 right it's a very significant

polarization I think there's a deeper

problem and a deeper divide at hand that

you know Society has to address in

another way why is it that one part of

society is very liberal whereas another

is very conservative is there a way to

kind of synthesize that contradiction

and produce an interaction that's that

people can come to an agreement about in

some form so I think that's a deeper

problem but as far as the kind of

democracy of production is concerned I

think it's important to remember that

this is just on the basics of how things

are being produced so people aren't

forced to consume things they don't want

to a minority let's say I'm not sure

exactly how the system works I recommend

the work of all cockshot and he wrote a

book it's called um

they something like a path to new

Socialism or the exact title of the book

is let me just get it here it's towards

the new socialism by Paul cockside and

Alan cultural where basically like if

five percent of people want or prefer a

certain product that would that would

still be produced for them so it's it

the way cybernetics works and the way it

incorporates decentralized feedback

loops to ultimately produce a central

plan it's kind of complicated and

there's complicated math behind it that

I'm not I'll confess I'm not very

familiar with it but I do think it just

attest to the fact that there are

alternatives to be able to actually

um

kind of have a society that doesn't even

necessarily have to rely primarily on

markets now we haven't gotten anywhere

close to a society like that today I

mean China still makes heavy use of the

market and I expect in a socialist or

communist America markets would still

have a very strong role but I do think

it's interesting to think about at least

as far as you know thinking about other

possibilities

um you know when it comes to democracy

one of the things I do agree with is

that it would be better for the state to

have less or less of a role in um

dictating people's uh local cultures and

practices and ways of life that should

be dictated by mores and Customs things

that are on the Grassroots so even

though China is a very collectivistic

Society most of the morality of Chinese

Society is enforced through culture it's

not enforced through laws so I think we

would be looking at something similar

where a culture would have more of a

role in regulating Behavior instead of

loss but why does it have to be enforced

at all are you for Mob uh phenomena do

you support cancer culture do you

support people pressuring their loved

ones into making medical decision making

against their will what is the limit to

this culture influencing human behavior

I think you need to

between respecting other human beings

individuality and choices and

understanding that there are something

for example I think incest or bestiality

or you know things like that are always

going to be shunned upon and looked down

upon by society and I don't think that's

really a bad thing

um I think you can't I I'm against

cancer culture but to an to another

extent you can't really pick and choose

I mean if you don't want to be judged by

others one should stay away from others

right to the extent that one is in a

society

why there is going to be a certain level

of Shame and and you know cultural

regulation of behavior that's not

explicit or on the paper but it's just

something you can't really control

all right well uh I guess we can be

headed toward our concluding statement

because that's it for my uh examination

unless there were other things you

wanted to explore uh I'm wondering I

mean because I still don't have a full

definition of where you're headed and

what your society would look like

because you seem to be respecting

people's Liberty and even want a smaller

state it seems that if you had what you

wanted people might very well converge

to where they fully capitalistic Society

again in other words if you reduce the

strength strength of the state people

will naturally converge to what they've

naturally converged in America in the

last 200 years which is a capitalistic

world

well I like to say I'm a communist who

believes in Freer markets and what that

means is that I want the state to be

able to rest control from Wall Street in

the city of London and the private

corporations those aspects of life that

are going to be inevitably social and

which are going to be inevitably held in

common to some extent and have some you

know

degree of control by a common state and

then when it comes to those things that

a state is not in its power to regulate

because of a lack of knowledge or

otherwise I do think I want more room

for human Liberty and more room for

human freedom to be able to experiment

you know and this is the American way

I'm an American Communist I I I

am fully

um invested in the American culture of

experimentation and pragmatism not

having a government on your back you

know um controlling your life

and whether or not it would it would be

a form of capitalism I think I don't

think it would be the capitalism we've

had but ironically I do think that the

society that I Envision would live up

more to the ideals of what the

ideologists of capitalism believe in

just on paper that they want more

Liberty they want Freer markets uh they

want less government control over

people's everyday lives

um they don't they want to avoid the

pitfalls of kind of um

monopolist overreach and you know uh

rigged markets and they're against the

Federal Reserve and things like that I

think the only difference I have with

these kind of Libertarians is that uh I

want us to have a central bank instead

of a Federal Reserve I don't think you

can completely eliminate this aspect of

our common social

um

our common social uh

Unity that has to be addressed and taken

responsibility for in some capacity

the problem is that's the loophole

that's the entry door for power and

state power to grow infinitely until it

takeovers every single aspect of your

decision making so the problem is you

have good goals and good intentions but

you're passing through the wrong in my

view you're passing through the wrong

way you are giving uh too much power to

the state which eventually it will use

against you and which eventually will

restrain your Liberty I mean this is the

problem is the zero-sum game between

private money and state money in the end

a dollar is either in my pocket and I

can decide what to do with it or it's in

the states pocket and they will decide

what I do with it and that's a

fundamental problem the problem of

American society precisely for the last

200 years is this constant growing of

the number of dollars in the pocket of

the State versus the number of dollar in

a number everyday person's pockets

that's the problem to solve and we solve

this by enforcing a very very small

state that can only apply Lars as it

relates to murder rape and other

unconsensual relationships and that's

all that the state should do if you give

it any other role it will grow grow and

grow and it will attribute itself more

power up to the current state of America

I think the weaker estate is the more it

has to grow and the more powerful a

state is the less big it has to be

because it's powerful enough to deal

with the fundamentals and the basics

without having to over extend itself and

overreach itself and in that regard I

think we should kind of stop having this

view of just seeing it purely as a

difference between individuals and

systems I think at a certain point we as

individuals have to take responsibility

for our system so if we fear

um government overreach and Corruption

and power corrupting and all that you

know in 1984 happening we to an extent

have to take responsibility for the

state in some form America we have a

very ingrained culture of you know

believing in the Second Amendment

believing in a checks and balances of

where the people can have some kind of

Leverage to keep

the overreach of the state in check now

we get confused when we look at Stalin

and Mao in the Communist States and we

think that these are totalitarian

dictators

um that were controlling everyone's life

well the truth was in those States the

real tyrants were the lower level

bureaucrats and lower level managers and

actually the leaders like Stalin and Mao

and other communist leaders were that

was the form and expression of people's

um checks and balances as far as the

power of the state is concerned at local

levels when these party bosses and lower

level managers would act as bullies and

tyrants they would write letters to

Moscow or like write letters to Beijing

and they would invoke the authority of

the central leader to uplift themselves

and um so it's kind of you have there's

different ways in which people

establish their social contract with the

state and establish having an ability to

um

uh counteract the state's tendency to

corruption I think just think it takes

different form depending on the culture

you know Eastern cultures they're more

collectivistic they have more of an

emphasis on a

kind of central leader America is a more

individualistic culture and we have more

of an emphasis you know on uh

on individuals securing the Liberty in

some kind of way so I think you can take

different forms depending on the culture

well I'm fascinated by what I've heard

from you which is you said sometimes a

very strong state is needed so that it

doesn't need to be big it's it's

inviting people to basically create a

strong state that will eventually turn

against them I'm afraid that you don't

have the mechanism even for America to

remain in its current state and we're

seeing it we're seeing it through the

progression of more and more personally

invading laws in the Democrat States of

America it's a matter of time before it

spread throughout the country we see it

in the advancement of the under control

of the state over the American

individual and American bodies there is

simply no solution either there is no

state or there is one and that state

will eventually grow to oppress you and

become totalitarian I mean just seeing

what America has done from being on the

inside a beautiful Society of Liberty

creation and advancement but on the

outside through the ends of the state

has been killing people across the

planet has been leading Wars regime

change Wars regime change operations all

of this useless to the American people

all of this on basically human

bureaucratic technocratic decision

making this is the hell that awaits

anyone who ends up giving the keys to uh

to the state to grow in size

well I think I would just basically

respond to that by saying I think the

problem in America is the Deep State we

have this unaccountable unelected

invisible force that that is not

answerable to the people in any capacity

doesn't even explicitly serve our

interests and it's an overgrowth to what

was enshrined in our constitution uh

uh to be the kind of organs of

Representative power which is the form

of our Republic and the Deep state is a

layer on top of that which is completely

unjustifiable from our very Constitution

so we have an issue that we don't just

have the state which is the Constitution

State we have this extra layer on top of

that which is this dictatorship of the

capitalist class now the quest the real

question is is a dictatorship inevitable

well if it is my view is that we should

have a dictatorship of the people we

have should have a dictatorship of the

working class where it will be explicit

Not Invisible and not in the shadows

maybe in the form of a Communist party

after all the founding fathers did not

Envision a multi-party system they

envisioned a single party system

um that will somehow work on top of the

constitution in a formally explicit way

or otherwise or maybe we won't need to

have any layer on top whatsoever and

there's a way to safeguard the original

Simplicity of the American Republic

either way

I think the issue is not so much

States in general as much as deep states

which I think is the foremost enemy of

people of the world today

well then that could be the title for

tonight James could change it communism

and capitalism agree against the Deep

state

juicing to say the least we'll jump into

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production says 4jf do central banks

like the FED fit into your framework of

capitalism or do you consider Central

monetary policy to be socialist slash

communist I consider it socialist it may

have been needed at times in the past

but I think that to strive for the ideal

of capitalism you would have to strive

for it for privately owned monies and

that means potentially different monies

different currencies and I think that

the crypto world has shown us that it's

entirely possible

you got it USB in first try says

government can't micromanage people

without making life suck

I think that's for you Haas but yeah I

mean

I agree I don't think it's the

government's role to micromanage

individuals lives

you got it space is a lie says

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uh I've never heard I'll I'll be sure to

done

Jeff is that is something you're

familiar with no I don't gotcha this one

coming in from Joe Schwartz thanks for

your question as well says infrared what

is your favorite thing about capitalism

though and JF what's your favorite thing

about communism if you had to pick one

thing that's you could say the least

hated in your mind or the least

deserving of hate

I think the best thing about capitalism

is the way in which it develops the

forces of production at least in the

original form from

modern England kind of you get from this

status quo of you know one way of living

to this kind of unleashing of human

creative ability

modern Scientific Technology and so on

and so on so I think that's a while

there's downsides I think in general

that's a big plus

capitalism

I think a great thing about communism is

the intention because the original

communism from Marx you realize that

it's a striving for Liberty but

unfortunately he got everything wrong

and how to get there

you got it this one coming in from do

appreciate your question you'd have hecu

says question for JF if a company's

product killing people causes that

company to go out of business why didn't

Philip Morris and Exxon Mobil fold years

ago

fold the fold in what circumstance I'm

not sure what he means I I don't know

the the historic case but I will say uh

you know capitalism isn't a guarantee

that everything is always perfect there

are imperfections in the system there

are cases where I don't know you'll buy

meat and it's poisoned but the idea is

that at least in capitalism the system

is organized such that the right people

get punished so if a meat producer

starts producing meat that is of low

quality that makes people sick or even

die eventually People chords in it and

they say hey that's a dangerous place to

go don't buy me there and eventually it

gets finished

at some point if he was if the

corporation was to continue and

definitely killing people inevitably

there would eventually be an evolution

genetically people would eventually be

evolutionarily punished for buying that

meat and people who buy different types

of meat would be at Advantage so the

beauty of capitalism is how it

interfaces with natural selection

you got it this one coming in from

appreciate your question Dave says if

you have time I'd be interested in jf's

Take On the Block spending one of their

limited debate days on removing prayer

from Parliament

the block spending I've not heard of

this news do you know what it is James

this is I have no idea

prior prayer from Parliament well I'm

against the state so all these questions

about should the state be a religious

neutral I think the state shouldn't

exist so yeah if it exists sure I'm for

the religious neutrality but uh

ultimatiam for the destruction of the

state and its replacement with a very

very minimal state

you got it and let's see CL I think you

said that you might have sent in a

question I am peeking around I don't see

it so I'm maybe you're referring to

somebody else in terms of having sent

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thank you very much infrared and JF it's

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yep thank you for having us and I just

wanted to clear one last thing up

unrelated to this debate which was

regarding Adam something which was um

just to be sure you're fair I I don't

want to like I don't want you to

Blindside him when he's not here to

defend himself well he did the same to

me though to be fair I just uh it's I

thought in modern database history I've

found that that is really bad for us we

we I I understand I I will say on air

that I I will say it's true that you

have not backed out of the debate with

them you just said that you didn't want

Dylan to get out of the debate or you

didn't want Dylan to be able to host

slash moderate yeah not get out but just

I didn't want Dylan to co-ops that's it

I agreed I'll agree with that because

that's something that in my DMs I've

seen it it's true and so if you guys if

you guys if you and Adam and Destiny and

uh yeah or whoever you might want as a

partner wanted to do a debate I'm open

to Jose I just told one because I found

it yeah because I mean the Tweet you

said was like that Adam couldn't make it

this one and it's a public tweet so I

just found it strange how he was saying

you know me and Jackson backed out

because you know you did make a public

tweet saying that he was the one who

couldn't Bank it

I'd have to remember like I honestly

can't remember what it I can't remember

what it was but I promise

um I'm willing to host it and I I'm

willing to for sure yeah it's true that

what you're saying is true that you had

not backed out it was that you didn't

want Dylan to be able to host it because

long story short though I thought thanks

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yep there's a less Super Chat that came

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this one coming in from do appreciate

your question quoting Jesus says JF Haas

does not believe in genes can you ask

him why he doesn't

has why don't you believe in jeans

well uh this would be a completely

different Rabbit Hole entirely but I

think the idea of a gene described by

Menda which is a unit of heredity I

don't think that stands to the modern

knowledge we have about how biology

works I don't think there are single and

discrete units of heredity

of course there are they are the letters

of DNA your children will have yours and

those of your partner of course there

are genes they don't singularly

correspond to phenotypical traits

because both the DNA as well as the the

um other parts of the cell and even

proteins they all work together as one

system to produce the phenotypical

traits

doesn't matter there's still a unit of

feridity but anyways that was my take

Tuesday to say the least I just don't

think they function as units you know

that might be a future debate yeah yeah

it might be interesting yeah uh but do

want to say thanks for always I'll be

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thanks so much guys it's been a true

pleasure to have you see you later

bye-bye have a good night

okay

oh man

I was good that was fun

um

now guys specifically

we have I have a lot of things I want to

talk about

um

so I made a tweet today or I made it

yesterday or something by the way I want

to tell you why I couldn't stream

yesterday and it's kind of weird

well let me um

get this going yeah I couldn't stream

yesterday

because my neck has been killing me like

for some reason I don't know if any like

doctors in here or whatever can fucking

help me out but like I've had a really

stiff neck

and it's kind of been I don't know if

it's because of my posture on the chair

but maybe it's from lifting is it going

to be dangerous for me to lift tonight

with those sparring curls because I'll

tell you where it is I have this really

weird feeling here like on my neck it's

like my traps

and yeah it's like a it's like this

heavy shaky feeling it feels like shaky

you know

yeah I don't know what it is so weird

not

I think it's because of my new uh chair

if anything I think it's because the new

chair we did get some super chats let's

read the super chats thank you so much

testing super chats123 LOL sorry thank

you so much Jen I appreciate you man

thank you

um

thank you guys thank you for this team

thank you man appreciate it appreciate

it so much

appreciate you so much

thank you Jean Francois duve nesvu

I do not speak French but thank you so

much Olga appreciate you

appreciate you so much

um

yeah I mean guys I uh

that's why I skipped yesterday because I

couldn't even like sit on I had to sit

on the couch all day yesterday couldn't

even get anything done because I could

barely even sit so I don't know what's

going on

no my elbow's fine so that that's why I

couldn't stream yesterday another thing

I forgot to do which I'm gonna do

tonight I promise it'll be done tonight

is the fucking patreon podcast holy fuck

I can't believe I forgot it forgot about

the patreon podcast fucking ridiculous

guys

go ahead and join our telegram because

our Discord my Discord it's not gonna be

the same Discord because this one's

gonna be mine we're being good faith

with JF it's debate oh yeah no problem

um

this Discord is going to be mine

and we we're just waiting for all of our

mods to join all of our former mods

we're waiting for them to join

and

as soon as they do we're gonna open it

up it might even be tonight that I open

that Discord up so yeah patreon

uh the podcast I'm gonna finish that

tonight I might even I was thinking

about doing it on stream but that would

kind of ruin the exclusivity part about

it so I'm not gonna do it on stream

but I am going to talk about

something that happened the other night

that has gotten me in trouble with Dr

Astaire

bear as star bear

something like that

uh black Lenin

um I think I did give you an invite

didn't I already give you an invite

let me invite you to the Discord

and as soon as we get enough mods in

here to like

regulate it then we're gonna just open

it up to the public

um

here we go

there you go black London

I just DM the two on Twitter

okay

um yeah so I made a tweet

where as as a satar bear who's like this

college professor who got in trouble for

defending Stalin which sounds based but

he's kind of like this hippie guy from

California which makes his defensive

Stalin steam a little weird Okay so

anyway he um

he has decided to attack me over this

tweet I'm going to show you the

offending tweet in question and we're

gonna like judge and see whether it was

all that bad because I personally think

that I was in the right about this but I

you know we'll we'll see about what you

guys think of it because I was thinking

about this last night and I'm pretty

convinced of you know I'm pretty

convinced this is an issue right so

check this out

so I made this tweet that said these are

what all the aggressive leftoids on

Twitter look like the question we should

start asking is

at what point is this a different

species

is this human anymore is this one of us

I mean they they kind of look like us

but they're not

and it's kind of scary to think about it

I mean is this human anymore and all I

did was ask a question I didn't even say

anything definitive my only Prime is

just asking questions out here and

apparently you're not allowed to ask

questions that's all I did was ask

questions all I did was propose the

question is this even human anymore

right

I mean just look at is this human is

this human is this is this

I mean what's going on here I don't know

what is this what is that what is this

what is what is this what is this

and all I said and what what is going on

right what the hell is going on

so all I said was

you know what like we have to think

about this on a species level is this

the same species as us

is this the same species as us now as

you can tell this got me in a lot of

trouble

224 sorry 242 quote tweets and

everyone's calling me a Nazi for asking

this question book

I have tried to reason with these people

for a year I've I've spoken to them I've

tried to reason with them they are not

capable of reason they are very

irrational beings they're and they're

very aggressive and they're very angry

and they seem to be unable to explain

that on in a rational way all they do is

is like label you and oh you're a Nazi

you're this you're that they don't like

tell you what the problem is so we have

to start asking our question at what

point are they not human anymore at what

point is this not even human

at what point does this cross the

boundary of what it means to be human

because it's not like we can reason with

them as human beings so

um I think we should actually start we

should coin a term

that defines these people as a different

species so that when we interact with

them on Twitter or elsewhere we can just

we just call them that name and we won't

we will like we'll be at peace we'll

just make sense of the fact of why I

mean just like the ogre that was trying

to mass report us the other day we have

to find a way to just refer to these

people as a

some mutant thing so I'm gonna try to

come up with the term

um

hobgoblin what do we call them we call

them um

zorlog I like this door it's got to be

something like that it's got to be

something like zor what's a zorlog

um

what is zorlog me I mean that's a

brilliant name a zorlog I don't know

what that means but it sounds it sounds

good

anglorgs

and anglorg

an anglorg

anglorg I think anglord raglins

gruglands I don't know what do we call

these things

what do we call these things

um

anglores yeah because this is an

outgrowth of anglo-saxon culture so I

think anglorg is the is one of the

candidate terms is anglorg

anglorg is a great term I think but it's

not quite satisfying anglorg

um

englorg is not uh quite sufficient

Chas Lloyd's

Chad's Chas Lloyds

um that one's kind of good too

Chaz Lloyd's

Chas Lloyd

a hominid chasloid

how about globoid

no it's gonna sound like a meme and I

want it to be like a scientific term I

wanted to thank you so much phosphorus

but I don't want it to be a meme I want

it to be like a scientific sounding term

because I take this seriously it's not a

meme it's fully serious so I don't want

people to just think oh you're just

calling us like an ideological label no

I want this to be a scientific taximonic

thing that sounds

like very real

like

austropolithicus it's like some Latin

term that sounds like a real scientific

term

englorg

uh graxelid what is that

raxling braxolid

what's the Latin term for um Latin term

for

ill um

I think

a vessenoid

that's in a lid

bessinalid vesselid we're gonna call

them it's Latin for a crazy right that's

in a lid

vesselid

that's what they are vesinalids

vesinalids

they're vestinalid no that's not good

enough anglorg vesselig englorg

all right anglorg is the best we have

anglorg

no

anglorg would be more like fucking child

logic that would be an anglorg this is

an um this is a different thing this is

beyond Anglo this is this is like um

yup all right that's it malformoid East

got it malformoid we're just gonna call

them malformoid until we figure out

what's going on

homo malformoid

that's what they are malformoids

malformoids

they're malformoids that's what we call

them a malformoid

scientific I'm going to make a tweet

confirming this

scientifically scientifically we call

them malformoid check the quote tweets

it's full of them

hominid malformed

malform us is a very real phenomena

and this is

not a joke

beware of these strange things

they are angry violent and aggressive

Connor betoid from Latin conversation

meaning one from a metropolis

Connor batoid

panerabatoid homo anti-facus

no I like Conor batoid the nervatoid no

it's actually I'm gonna I'm gonna delete

that tweet it's convertoid

the nervatoid

the nervatoid

oh shoot you could choose both

they are also being called

hanabatoids

so it works interchangeably

Connor but

characteristics

an urban toy yeah okay

yeah I think that works I think that

kind of works pretty well but anyway

um

everyone's been calling me like a Nazi

or thingy coding everyone's been calling

me like a Nazi or saying this I'm I'm

really questioning I don't really think

I have anything in common with these

people at all I've tried to put myself

in the shoes of like this guy and I

can't I really try to see life through

the lens of this guy and I really cannot

so it's just kind of leading me to

question you know like at what point

does it even become useful to you know

at what point is it even like worthwhile

to identify with these people as a

species I can't I try to put myself in

this guy's shoes trust me I've tried

I've tried to reason with them I've

tried to put myself in their shoes I've

tried to see life through their lens and

I really can't

so I don't really think they're human

anymore I don't know what's going on in

this guy's head that led him to this

but this doesn't seem human to me it

just doesn't I'm sorry

um and I think we should stop being so

combative with them we should just

recognize them as a different species so

if they ever come at you on Twitter or

anything just like be like yeah that's a

convertoid that's a malformoid and I

can't do anything about that they don't

listen to reason they don't understand

reason they don't even know how to I

mean they can't it's literally would you

would you argue with a fucking wild

animal no so I think that's what we

should start treating them that way

right

but you know what's fucking crazy it's

like everyone freaked out about this

and it's almost like they're trying to

say that leftists are the ultimate

protected class like they hide behind

minorities they hide behind everybody

just to defend this and this and this

it's a protected class like these people

are above any other minority left this

do you know y'all know how many fucking

death threats I got for saying this

do you want to know how many death

threats I got for saying this shit

basically just proving my points

entirely

I mean Wow way to prove my points with a

fucking death threat

you know you like it are you really

pushing back on my points by issuing

death threats against me no I think

you're pretty much completely confirming

what I'm trying to say uh in almost

every respect right

I mean it bothers you that much and

you're that fucking angry about it I

mean wow that's just doesn't come as a

surprise to anyone

um so yeah

I'm so relieved to see Keck W's in the

chat again it's so beautiful anyway

thank you so much Jen I appreciate you

appreciate you so much

um but yeah so anyway I tweeted this uh

yeah and it's interesting

homophobiculous yeah it's really

interesting how upset everybody got

about it

but there was this one guy who got super

super upset and

I'll show you

uh it was what was his name and we're

actually going to be debating him

this Saturday so I'm going to be

debating him this Saturday

and his name is

by the way this guy specifically on

Twitter this guy's always like in my

mentions all the times bothering me and

shit

and you'd think he has like 20 000

followers it's only this is one this is

like real gregorad and all the people

who make fake accounts holy shit

Jennifer thank you so much

it's not this person though yeah this

guy and this guy this guy literally dm'd

me like aggressive DMS all the time like

what do you want dude who like these are

literally the fucking

um

these are like the the government agents

of Twitter but anyway let me look at

fucking uh Dr s star

what is his name s s here it is

thank you so much Jennifer holy fuck

thank you so much

um look at this so this is Dr

asatar bear and he's a professor of

Economics I'm going to be debating

Saturday right and what am I going to be

debating him about well this is what he

says is that he says um

yeah and it got a lot of likes it got

like 1500 likes and he's like this is

how Nazis talk

for the blocked he's like what the fuck

and everyone's saying oh this means it's

national socialism look

these people have been seething

viciously for a year you're blaming me

for categorizing them as a different

species what do you want me to do we've

tried to reason with them we've tried to

be human to them we've tried to be civil

with them you can't so at one point we

have to consult science and ask

the hard questions and look for answers

because I really don't think these

people are human I really don't think

they're human I that's not the same is

this the same species as you because

this is not the same species I'm sorry I

there is no way I could put myself

in the shoes of this person there's no

way I can't put myself in the shoes of

this guy debate with Avatar bear thank

you Knox yeah that's gonna be Saturday

and we're going to be debating about one

is this how Nazis talk was this a Nazi

tweet and two

um is Marxism leninism compatible with

Western leftist ideology shitlib

California hippie ideology so that's

what we're going to be asking and we're

going to be dealing with because I don't

think this guy knows anything about what

he's talking about I think this guy has

tried to obscure Marxist dialectic with

some kind of whitewashed version of

californianized Eastern mysticism and

he's like oh dialectics is when we have

crystals and now that's not dialectics

dude you live in California you're

clearly open to all these weird you're

like this is like he's like a Marianne

Williamson

uh Tanki you know he's a fake tanky

but it's like a Marianne Williamson kind

of hippie one and also not to be too

preemptative but I have heard from quite

a few people

that he has kind of made unwanted

advances on various women like I saw

this tweet

let me find the tweet

I saw this uh tweet

in my TL and this person said so this is

something Dr asatar bear said he's got

that California thing where he just goes

around

um

uh doing things like this

uh

and so she's actually has more and so

Avril was 17. when this song was dropped

and a satar was 30.

Avril Lavigne writing her iconic 90s hit

she said you'll never see my bed no too

sexy I need on the radio there's got

what

okay

and then she was quoting this

and this is what he said he said I was

vibing with this rad commy chick and we

get on and now things are getting kind

of heavy I kissed her neck I felt her

hot breath as she whispered in my ear

dominate me comrade

I mean yeah so this guy um he was trying

to say oh Haas isn't a serious guy

because someone was trying to say hey

Haas is really well read and

knowledgeable he's like no he's not Haas

is not a serious guy well I mean you

will never find a case of me um behaving

this way or saying this uh ever

because I'm not a creep

um

yeah and there's more okay there's more

this is what I was looking at

this is what I was looking for so

there's actually more

um from Mr assatar Bayer

so he this person wrote a big thing and

then this is what the screenshots are so

you like The Pick of a 15 year old

always seeking to adjust attain the

right wholesome to horny ratio and this

is Santa Claus on the loose

this is Mr Santa Claus on the loose okay

he is on the loose

this is oh Mrs Claus come get your man

because

the North Pole is melting all right

because it is oh my God this dude is he

is creeping up people's chimney

um

and you know he's looking for people who

are naughty or nice in a very

inappropriate way

and yeah he's watching you

he's gonna find out and he's watching

you but just not in a very uh good way

so Saint Nicholas someone's got a

I don't know if we need Rudolph back in

here or we need Mrs Claus or the

Christmas elves gotta come up in here

and fix this but we got Santa Claus

California hippie Santa Claus he's got a

big problem right he's liking pictures

of 15 year old girls

let's hear it for all the hot Kami GFS

out there we appreciate y'all

BF slapped I went Wahoo like Mario now

he won't look at me

sometimes a man must look away as he

struggles to contain himself

so no one is even going to reply with

Wahoo huh

so this guy if you don't know guys this

is what makes this really fucking bad

assets are Bayer you look him up on um

the news

no look this is this is the problem

right Professor Praises Stalin so these

are the people out here repping Stalin

these are the people who are repping

Stalin and stalinism it's an

embarrassment I'm sorry but this is like

a fundamental fucking embarrassment that

this these are the people out here

repping Stalin and stalinism

all right Mods make sure uh hold on we

gotta I don't

sick

these are the people out here rapping

stalinism

hold on give me a sec

got this spammer specifically

yeah yeah okay mods knew what I was

talking about okay good

yeah

thank you black one

um yeah so

I mean look this is a creepy dude from

California hippie type of dude who's

very creepy to women I told you about

how um feminist communist males out here

are always on Twitter like be creeping

on their comrades and that's why they do

it all the male feminists you see are

basically doing it for pussy

every single one of these male feminists

you see on on the Internet or on Twitter

is desperately doing it for pussy

now there's some men who don't need to

Virtue signal as feminists uh to get

some

and

those of us who don't who fall into that

category we are always canceled as

misogynistic and we're in cells no we're

just normal men who don't need to Virtue

signal feminism

to meet women so we're just honest

normal men these people waste

what would happen if the Irish Jazz folk

went to the Middle East and asked for

your aunt wife or sister's pronouns

while questioning her femininity

uh they would not they would never be

found again

thank you but thank you quoting Jesus

they would never be found again

but um yeah I mean

we're just normal men you know this is

not a normal man this is a male feminist

and they do it to pray on comrades to

get some pussy right they're they're

looking for that oh I'm I'm a jolly old

Santa Claus you can trust me you can

trust good old a satar bear I'm your

Conrad I'm Conrad Santa Claus come and

give some to the papa bear come and give

some to the Santa Claus of the left come

on come and get some Dr assitar bear I'm

the Dr assatar Bear all coming here come

here little pumpkin

comrade assitar

he's off his horny rockers and he wants

a little too much sugar

oh doctor assets of our bear is out on

the prowl but don't worry he's harmless

cause he's a feminist so that means he's

going to treat you as an equal and as a

comrade

but Dr ashitar bear he's a little off

his loose I mean Mrs Claus has got to

come get this Jolly Old Santa Claus off

of Twitter

okay Somebody's gotta come get this guy

off of Twitter because

you know ah there's a lot of Victor a

lot of these dumb Young

got a lot of these naive dumb young you

know uh left-wing women

are out here on on Twitter and Dr acetar

bear is coming after them and they don't

even see it coming because you know

they're out here thinking that the the

safest males or the the male feminists

oh you got another thing coming but

anyway

um

yeah and this is the one we already saw

and I think this is the best one

I personally think this is the best one

base because they hold the Elder hominid

malformers

thank you bismuth yeah I think this is

the wizard so I think these are one of

the Wizards that create these things

these creatures are the creation of like

these Elder hip professors this is one

of them this is Dr acetar Bayer

and he's a little too thirsty here and

his thirst I'm not sure if anyone should

quench this thirst because it is a

little too off the wall it's a little

too much

okay

so he he took big

he had a big issue with what I said

um

saying this is Nazi this is our Nazi's

son

and you know I just

so he also retweeted a few things

um

so this is also what he says someone

said he is incredibly well read this is

an enemy of Mine by the way

I'm convinced infrared wields that to

manipulate Their audience of the hating

other factions of leftists and employed

to Garner GOP votes

including in Samira openly calling for

them the last night the Discord was up

no he isn't this Nazi shit is the exact

opposite of understanding Marxism

feminism so let me get this straight

um calling these people degenerates is

an example of Nazi talk

I wonder what language

officials in the USSR would use to

describe these things

I wonder how they I I I'm really sick of

the California leftists thinking that

Communist States were like California

hippies but aggressive about it

I mean I don't look that Fox News

article about Dr assatar bear like

hippie California Professor defense

Stalin that is scary because these

people have this fantasy

that the USSR was like a crazy clown

hippie state

that enforced the hippie fucking

satanism

we on bond of violence and blood and

that's a very scary thing to think about

these people imagine like you know these

and and oftentimes they call themselves

maoists like the Bob avakian types where

like they combined hippies with

authoritarianism super frightening I'm

sorry it's just like really scary to

think about

said oh you got to get down with the

program man you gotta get down with the

program man smash the system man you

don't want to be a counter revolutionary

man

we're gonna line you up man you're a

counter revolutionary man I mean that's

a little frightening

that's a little fucking frightening you

know and that has nothing to do with

Marxism leninism that has nothing to do

with the Soviet experience so these

people are the worst representatives of

someone who supports Stalin or whatever

right these are Nazis actually these

hippies

I don't know if you know this hippies it

comes from who it comes from

thalima and it comes from uh theosophy

all of the people who influenced the

Nazis Madame blavatsky and the Occult

the new age stuff the Western version of

Eastern mysticism yeah that's all Nazi

shit so acetar bear is going around

calling people Nazi

um where while he's preaching this kind

of Western version of Eastern mysticism

which is straight out of the textbook of

the SS and the Nazis and the Hitler

writes I don't know how you can call me

a Nazi all I'm doing is asking the basic

question of at what point do we lose our

Humanity on a fundamental level I think

these people have lost it there's no way

for me to empathize with them I can't

put myself in their shoes

and I don't know how I don't what is

human about these things what is human

about them I don't know I have no idea

let me give me one sec I have no idea

if you've got answers

by all means I just don't have the

answers to answer these questions right

I'm I just wanted to ask a question and

I got canceled for being a Nazi for

asking questions I mean

I'm allowed to ask questions aren't I

so

Samira just mentioned me in a tweet I'll

show it to you so this is actually how

the Soviet Union dealt with the hippies

by the way the hippies were nowhere near

as bad

Adam Waffen also came from combining

hippies with authoritarianism yeah thank

you both gang so by the way guys

um

I don't know if you know this but these

um what do I what do we call malformoids

the malformoids are not even hippie

they're not even um as good as hippies

were because hippies were kind of

peaceful whereas the malformoids are

extremely violent and deranged and

depraved and they lynched two black

teenagers in chess so I think the Soviet

Union would have been way more

aggressive against the malformoids but

let me just show you how they treated

hippies so

the Soviet hippie movement emerged in

Moscow around 1966 and 67.

the first red hippies were the sons and

daughters of the privileged Soviet

nomenclature well-behaved kids from

Elite families a surprise to no one

they had access to music from the

capitalist world and to genes

it had grown big to alarm the

authorities the hippies were given

permission to demonstrate outside the

Vietnam War outside the U.S embassy in

Moscow

the KGB rounded up and arrested

demonstrators with the goal of wiping

out hippie culture some demonstrators

were sent to psychiatric facilities and

injected with insulin others were

dispatched to the Army and camps near

the Chinese border

the film recreates this Grim clamp down

and use of surveillance photos

in KGB archives in Lithuania

imagine calling me a Nazi for pointing

out the degenerate

I'll form hormones of Chads

athlete

hippies

weren't even violent and this is what

the Soviet Union did to them

were the Soviets

also Nazis how would they have dealt

with the things

in the Chas mugshot

I mean all facts

that's all facts right

according to Lampman harassment by the

police in KGB was common one of my close

friends ended up in prison hippies were

persecuted under criminal rather than

political law they could find themselves

sharing a cell with gangsters and

murderers

to avoid arrest they always kept his

documents in perfect order

and those were non-violent people

they were non-violent that the

malformoids of Chas

they're extremely violent and they're

very deranged and unhinged and they're

attacking people and they're murdering

people and they're committing acts of

violence and shit I mean how do you

think the Soviet Union would have dealt

with those creatures I mean they would

have they stay art did Russia is dealing

with them right now in Ukraine right

um

in the form of the oslob battalion

that's how they're dealing with the

asloth battalion

yeah the conservatoids are really upset

what's up

there's a meme let's check out the meme

check out the meme

fuck I don't want to get the video taken

down

uh because of the music

I I love how self so like

yeah I'm gonna make a tweet about this

because this is like a big point I

always want to make like

Communists in the past

totally selfless only work for others

do not consider

themselves

devoted to cause

defines enemies based on the enemies of

the working class

malformoid creatures of today completely

selfish

become violently enraged when you point

them

out their ugly degeneracy

if

the malformoid defines the political

distinction of friend enemy on the basis

of

their own existence leftists consider

themselves the biggest protected class

above any minority

targets the malformoid leftist

and they will shriek with

bride and shriek with furious anger

it's like Communists in the past were

like I don't care about my background

bitch I'm the son of a noble I'm the son

of a fucking middle class lawyer I'm

fighting for the working class so we

Define it based on the class Warfare

leftists are like you just pointed me

out I feel personally attacked therefore

you must be destroyed

they're so self-serving it's like

Communists are supposed to serve the

people you're not supposed to be

self-serving and Define your political

ideology based on the people that are

like you you define it based on the

people who are like the class that

you're fighting for

imagine if I became super

people insulting streamers like didn't

China pass a law recently restricting

children from donating to streamers let

me find that law

I'm gonna I'm gonna explain to you like

imagine I was just as selfish as

leftists then this is what I would do

if I had their selfish Petty Bourgeois

mentality so look how bass this is kids

tipping streamers and watching after 10

pm is being banned in China imagine if I

was like China is an authoritarian

shithole

because streamers are losing money and

I'm a streamer

that's how leftists think meanwhile I

look at this and I'm like I don't give a

fuck about streamers as a class fuck the

streamer class the fact that we need

streamers in the first place is a

misfortune I don't give a fuck about my

class fuck them I'm a class Trader I

fight for the working class I don't give

a fuck about people who make a living

similar to the way I make a fucking

living they're not owed anything I'm not

fighting for them I'm fighting for the

working class I'm fighting for the

people that work with their hands I'm

using my streaming shit to fight for the

people who don't stream for a living

that's what it means to be a fucking

communist

to be a communist means to work

selflessly for the people

a lot of people don't know this most of

a given communist country's population

are not communists most of the working

class will never be Communists

Communists are the people that

selflessly fight for others

the working class

fights to make carve out its own

existence and make a living the

Communists whether in China or the

Soviet Union or any other communist

state those are the people that fight

for others they dedicate their lives

fighting for the people and fighting for

the working class they oftentimes

they eventually started to become but in

the beginning they didn't even come from

working class backgrounds you think the

Bolsheviks mostly came from working

class backgrounds they didn't

you think Marx Came From A working class

background he didn't

Communists fight for the working class

now there are working class people who

are communists but to be a working class

individual and also a communist means

you're not just looking out for yourself

anymore you're fighting for others so

that elevates you above your own

immediate selfish interests and now you

fight for the interests of the people

and the reason most workers aren't

Communists is because they can't afford

to do that those of us with privilege

who can't afford to do that

are more likely to be Communists at

least for now right until we get a mass

movement going

so that's the thing a lot of people

don't understand that they have this

confusion between individuals and

classes it's really fucking stupid you

how many you know how many times people

are like yeah fucking Arab and I don't

know why they always bring race into it

they're like you're an Arab streamer has

I'm a true worker no you're an

individualistic stupid fuck you don't

even know what class means you don't

even know what the significance of class

is you just personalize and

individualize everything because if you

personally can't experience can't

experience something it's wrong like how

dare you talk bad about the professional

managerial class when you're a streamer

except I'm not talking about individuals

I'm talking about classes

yeah as a as a as a class there's a big

fucking difference

there's a big fucking difference between

streamers as a class

and me as an individual who happens to

be a fucking streamer there's a big

difference between that now if I start

adopting positions based on reproducing

the interests of my class there you go

people don't understand the relationship

between individuals and class that's

their fucking problem class limits by

default your ability

to adopt the perspective of class

Consciousness which is proletarian

Consciousness it limits your ability to

have a scientific understanding of class

so it has you adopt all these Philistine

views but it's not inevitable you can be

a landlord and be a communist you can be

a capitalist and be a communist

literally you can be a capitalist

just like Frederick Engels was and still

be a communist

being a communist is not about your way

of life or your identity it's about

what you're devoted to

and being devoted to Communism

means funneling some of your resources

to a Communist Party belonging to a

Communist party and paying dues

thank you I mean formally speaking all

it takes to be a communist is just to

pay dues to a Communist party you could

lit Bill Gates if he wanted could

literally be a communist if

he like stopped his agenda and just

started he just joined the Communist

Party kept all of his money

he a Saudi Prince could be a communist

like you could be a communist from any

background it doesn't fall it's a it's

about

what you work towards it's about what

you work towards that makes you a

communist that's it

it's really stupid all people don't

fucking understand that

thank you so much to noi

appreciate you so much

appreciate you so much

um

uh

there's some stuff I did want to show

you

a sec oh yeah I wanted to show you this

thing by Anna kasparian because remember

when she said she was turning against

the Democrats

and she lied and she was like

remember that whole thing well turns out

that Anna has walked back everything she

said before

and this is what she's saying now she's

just taking it all back so this is Anna

the angry

Anna the angry casparian

T I'm your host welcome to tyt I'm your

host Anna kasparian and conservatives

calling me out on social media saying

Anna kasparian had a meltdown and they

shared video from the show yesterday

where I was specifically calling out the

Republican party in forcing women to

bring to term fetuses

without any say over their own bodies

while also by the way fighting

aggressively against any type of social

spending program any type of Regulation

that would make Child Care affordable

for people that would create you know a

social safety net so parents could be

parents

and so children could be raised in a

happy healthy environment if that's

genuinely what they want they shared

that rant acting as if my meltdown was

totally unwarranted

and I'm so happy they're doing it

because please this is the ultimate cope

this is such scorpion such copium let

them know let them know folks let

Americans know what the right wing

really stands for in this country this

person only knows how to talk down to

people if you put them like two ordinary

Americans no you're wrong no

country they want to force you

to bring to term

fetuses they want you to have babies

that they will then abandon the second

that baby is born the second it's born

no paid family leave

no affordable child care

nothing to help you with your medical

bills your maternity bills if you don't

happen to have health care

because I mean the one thing that

Republicans never want to talk about and

I wish Democrats would force them to

talk about but it turns out Democrats

don't really talk they don't want to

talk about that you know I'm really sick

of this fake version of materialism and

it's not materialism which is basically

like why don't people want free shit

it's because they're brainwashed they

really do want the free shit they're

just brainwashed into not everyone

believes in the Scandinavian philosophy

so there's fundamental ontological

disagreements with that

so fucking all people care about is

having more money

and more benefit no it's not true that's

really not true

this is such a misunderstanding of

materialism that's what they called

vulgar materialism all people care about

is being taken care of materially

no that's not true people also care

about having a way of life and a mode of

living

so stupid how these people think that's

why Democrats are like we're promising

Americans all this free shit why don't

they vote for us because

you have a vulgar materialism that's not

based on Marx's scientific materialism

it's not dialectic materialism dialectic

materialism

isn't about a competition over resources

or some shit classes are about relations

to production it's the production of

human beings and their way of life

which follows different

characteristics across different

countries

about these issues either

is the fact that they want to screw you

that they want to empower the corporate

Elite in this country to continue to rob

you that's the Republican Party keep

sharing my video you're doing me a favor

love every minute of it

this is the ultimate cope

you know why these disgusting rancid

pieces of shit Young Turks Democrats

scum

constantly fucking harass the shit out

of me on Twitter because they're so

powerless on The Wider internet and to

The Wider publics they're spit on

everyone hates them so they take their

frustration on people like me and

Jackson and others and they just have

this writhing seething anger within them

they're shaking with anger shaking

shaking with anger

yeah she hates Aaron mate too

she's such a like oh my God this is like

she has done worse for feminism than

than anyone in history she set back

feminism by like hundreds of years

because I'm this is just such an

unlikable person

such an unfundamentally unlikable person

holy fuck tereshi what the fuck dude

dude thank you so much

thank you so much Therese appreciate you

so much man thank you

holy fuck thank you man

son gorilla Sun

thank you so much oh guys by the way

YouTube added gifted memberships YouTube

gifted memberships they've added gifted

memberships which is like

fucking cool and it launched today

actually

um

I think you have to like sign up or

something

uh

and then

yeah

yeah they have like gifted memberships

now

I'm I'm noticing increasingly that

twitch is dead twitch is dead which is

literally Dead YouTube is literally the

future

all of the features from twitch are

coming to YouTube the chat is gonna get

better because of Ludwig

and that's all you really need and then

you know as soon as they start listening

to the twitch streamers that have come

from twitch about what YouTube streaming

needs to be um yeah this is the era of

YouTube I'm sorry twitch is fucking dead

I'm so glad we're here on YouTube I'm so

fucking glad twitch is literally a dead

beat fucking website it's dead as fuck

it's a dead website

which YouTube is like the vibe you know

what's cool about YouTube is like the

aesthetic is dark it's it's the dark red

glowing red dark Maga YouTube

all we have to hope for is that YouTube

censorship doesn't get turned up a notch

because then it's gonna suck right but

yeah if we could just be fucking like

YouTube is gonna be like this dark

aesthetic I'm here for this is gonna be

fucking fun

we don't even have paid family leave we

don't even have affordable child care in

this freaking country

okay and the people who fight against

those kinds of laws are

onions

and yet what do you want them to do

it

[Applause]

this is like

a lizard you know what I you know what I

feel like

this is like that scary lizard that just

just it's like a snake hurtling itself

at you like Jesus fucking Christ

Jesus

like

they have to go to work what do you want

them what did I do I didn't do anything

I didn't do shit okay I did not do

anything I'm literally a random Arab

dude from Michigan I did I did nothing

why are you staring at me like I'm to

blame okay you gotta you're I don't know

what you're angry at something and

you're staring at the camera which means

you're blaming all of us

all right I had nothing to do with any

of this shit I I don't want anything I

don't know what you want

and

Anna I I read the Supreme Court opinion

and the Supreme Court can just rule

however it wants you know and the legal

reasoning for Roe v Wade is not

particularly strong as someone who is in

law school

um it was overturned actually in the 90s

and the only reasoning they gave in the

90s for upholding the Precedence for Roe

v Wade was that they didn't want to

cause National division this court today

just said hey that's not a proper reason

if if Roe v Wade is unconstitutional and

it's an improper ruling

um

then we can't uphold it there's no

precedent

that

um justifies their interpretation of the

14th Amendment so in the Fifth Amendment

so you know I don't

it's not really that they're against

abortion it's more that

Roe v Wade is not very sustainable

um

legally

and you're angry

so take it up with the Constitutional

Scholars don't fucking bother me about

it

like these are the people like these are

the fucking angry people

these are the people

all right I've seen some really weird

shit I've seen like um

some people be like oh Roe v Wade was

because they want us to have children

make us suffer

get involved say some shit where he was

like the reason for it is they're just

evil they're just evil exonerate

larouche thank you and it's just like no

that's not why

um first of all why Americans are

sensitive about abortion thankfully Wade

was racially motivated

thank you so much why Americans are

sensitive about abortion is because

America is a country of extremes so we

have on the one hand this extreme

individualism of pragmatism on the other

hand with pragmatism we have this

reverence of everything natural and

mysterious and authentic and divine in

origin and the trouble with abortion

comes from this view that like what

right do we have to end a life

and they have this anxiety that we're

doing this horribly horribly wrong thing

by doing that terminating a life

um too early and that we're like

violating this natural process that we

have no right to then on the other side

of the aisle you have the extreme

individualists who are like no

you have no right to intervene in what I

do with my body at all whatsoever Jesus

my back is I need a fucking massage

I really need a back massage this is

fucking bad

this is really fun

I really don't know what this is

yeah it fucking hurts it's like right

here I have this pain yeah like right

here I have this pain

but um

yeah I think it it comes from that

specific contradiction

in America

um how do you solve that

I think we should just have a reasonable

level of restriction

honestly if you if you've put a gun to

my head and you forced me to make a

decision about the abortion thing I

would be like a Centrist and I'd be like

okay we're gonna allow it

but we are gonna put restrictions like

we're gonna like maybe first or second I

don't know how it fucking works try a

mess right we're gonna like restrict it

after a certain time but then before

then you can get one

um

under certain circumstances I don't know

I think I don't think it should be fully

banned

I just don't

um now am I really adamant about banning

it

I can see why people are disturbed about

the idea of like very late term

abortions right I could see how people

are super disturbed by that of course

when it comes to the mother's health

that should be prioritized

um also when it comes to like

severe deficiencies that are going to

make life very bad for the child or and

the mother I think that should also be

taken into account maybe but I just have

a more reasonable view of it like I

don't really I I don't agree with my

body my choice but I also don't agree

with you know completely Banning it so

that would be my solution

question ask them ask them

isn't it amazing to ask them the goddamn

question they're trying to put the time

restriction too early

yeah that could be possible

it could be possible that the Texas

thing is is a little too early you know

six weeks I don't know I personally

don't know how it works

um

but I definitely

think that

I definitely would not myself really ban

it

but I mean that's just it's not a choice

for me to make you know that's a choice

to be made by Society in some kind of

way but if you ask me and you if I was

dictator and you like you forced me to

make a decision like okay what is the

law about abortion has I would be like

okay we're gonna allow it but we're

gonna like restrict it after a certain

time that's it probably

just to satisfy both sides of the aisle

you know

isn't it amazing that not one Democrat

has shown one percent of the passion

that Anna has today they don't care they

don't care they don't care they're all

so old they don't have to worry about it

affecting them and if they're young

enough where it would affect them

they'll get their abortion they're gonna

fly to penetrating individual stocks

enriching themselves yeah I think most

people would agree with this because you

know most of the anti-abortion sentiment

comes from like these photos shared of

like

you know like fucking like second or

third trimester abortions that are like

pretty gruesome and horrific so it's

like I think if you're restricted that

stuff it would very much lessen the

anti-abortion sentiment

America is just a country of extremes we

just we have an extreme one way in One

Direction or the other it's just too

extreme good they're good they don't

care about you

make sure you understand that you feel

it in your bones they don't care about

you at all

all of that fundraising oh yeah but

obviously for us the priority should be

making it easier to raise a child that

should be our priority right all of that

canvassing all of that hard work on the

ground they

you know usually we look at a dude who's

this

and you're like okay no this is just

who is she yelling at you know

I feel so bad for like the long-term

Young Turks I'm sorry dang

ding you're yelling at your only

supporters you're yelling at the only

people who watch you you're you're

yelling at your most at the most

fanatical liberals of society because

nobody else watches your shitty ass

Channel anymore they all watch Joe Rogan

so it's like nobody watches you guys

anymore who are you yelling at

you're yelling at the only supporters of

your agenda you're not yelling at

conservatives who are

you can't even get a Voting Rights bill

passed there by the way the fraudulent

Voting Rights bill

was about making third parties next to

impossible so thank God for the failure

of the anti-third party Voting Rights

Act

which by the way Taryn

um claimed the Communist Party should

support even though the com party is

supposed to be a third party

which is fucking stupid like the third

party is gonna vote for a law that's

gonna make third parties impossible like

that's just a little fucking stupid if

you ask me

that's just a little stupid slash silly

slash cringe slash dumb slash

unnecessary slash silly

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desserts true brings rights in

I don't know Anna don't blame me

I did nothing wrong

so this is what Kamala is saying

so Kamala said I mean sorry Anna said

she's done with the Democratic party but

she's retweeting Kamala Harris's message

I just uh presided over the Women's

Health protective act vote and sadly the

Senate failed to stand in defense of a

woman's right to make decisions about

her own body and let's be clear the

majority of the American people

believe in defending a woman's right her

choice to decide what happens to her own

body and this vote clearly suggests that

the Senate is not where the majority of

Americans are on this issue it also

makes clear that a priority for all who

care about this issue you know who this

person reminds me of

a priority should be to elect pro-choice

leaders at the local the state and the

federal level because what we are seeing

around this country are extremist

Republican leaders for seeking to

criminalize and punish women from making

decisions about their own body

I just uh

speaking of the devil as a matter of

fact

um

I don't know if you guys are aware of

this

is pretty crucial info but um

I was going to share this with you

yesterday

actually

check this out

remember when I told you about the

agenda for the Democrats

I just covered this

I just told you about this I just told

you about this

it's happening

it's happening

it's happening

and I told you

it's happening the British crown wants

their colony back this whole Meghan

Markle debacle this fake Fallout with

the royal family was all about

delivering America back into the hands

of the British

formally because we they already control

Us in every other way but we're formally

giving it back to the British

I didn't call This months ago I called

this a year ago I called this in 2021 I

told you in 2021

they're planning on Meghan Markle

someone get the clip from like October

or September or August whenever it was

that I told you about this and we kept

talking about it that's the plan Meghan

Markle

the whole reason the media gassed up AOC

is it because AOC everyone wants to date

her I don't want to date AOC I don't

want to date her that's not the reason

it's because they were testing the

Optics of a young POC Woman as a

political leader and it turned out to be

quite successful so AOC was a test run

for Meghan Markle they were testing

Meghan markle's Optics through AOC

and I'm sure they were trying to do

something similar with

Kamala Harris

so yeah I called this last summer

days of Haas being correct

now let's check the video out in

question because I mean you have to see

it to really believe it you really have

to see it to believe the insanity

of what we're looking at it's wonderful

to have women in politics more women the

more women we have the better our

democratic system will work a better

point of view a different point of view

and we embrace all women and we welcome

her to come in and join the Democratic

party so you think she'll make a good

potential candidate one day maybe for

president yes perhaps of course you will

it's wonderful to have women in politics

more women the more women we have the

better our democratic system will work a

better point of view you know this is

all cynical

okay let me show you the Washington Post

tagline

you know these Elites are laughing in

our faces

you know they said democracy dies in

darkness right here democracy dies in

darkness They're laughing it's a joke

for them you want to know why because

this is the gag oh yeah democracy does

die in darkness oh yeah we do need to

save our democracy

except it's good that it dies in

darkness

because we're bringing back the crown

democracy dies in darkness is not like a

warning it's a prediction they are

predicting the death of democracy and

darkness

and it's a funny joke

it's a funny funny joke any semblance of

Bourgeois democracy

is going to be eliminated and we're

getting feudalism again to a different

point of view you will own nothing

and be happy you will be a serf to the

banks you will be a serf to Big Tech you

will have no Liberties you will work as

a slave with no rights at all you will

be living on indigenous land back feudal

landlords ruled by Queen Meghan Markle

who will not be electable at a certain

point because they're going to have

their emergency powers and Institute a

full-on Shameless and explicit

dictatorship of the ruling Financial

capitalist class you will all be serfs

you will all be slaves you will have no

Liberty whatsoever

there is nothing you could do about it

and we have to take the black pill

because life is about to get so so

horrible

unless

unless

unless a certain party

has something to say about it unless

there's one party in this country

that the American people rally behind

resisting this change resisting this

takeover defending the revolution of

1776

and in a future science fiction

hypothetical scenario after 2036 waging

a people's War

in the warlord era against

the British dictatorship

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unless

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perhaps

there's a force that can resist this

perhaps

for some reason for some accidental

reason we stumbled upon their plan which

means we can plan

we can plan

to resist this

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what if we're two steps ahead of their

agenda we can build the Communist party

as the party of the American people

rally the American people behind a true

people's Revolution to restore the

Constitution restore the Democratic

Republic and Institute a true

proletarian dictatorship to safeguard

our country from the dictatorship of

anglo-saxon Financial capital

and people will be able to own the land

again instead of you'll own nothing and

be be happy we will own our own land and

be happy

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struggle because hypothetically if that

were ever to be a thing I mean they

would smear the figurehead of that

movement they would do everything they

can to have bots on Twitter attack us

and do everything they can to

delegitimize us and slander Us in any

kind of fucking way

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but they won't get back

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yeah so anyway I'm just saying that

would be wouldn't it be funny if there

was like this random Arab dude from

Michigan who just accidentally stumbled

upon discovering their entire plan and

then Carl Schwab and George Soros and

the rest of them they're like Haz who's

ours and then it's time to some random

hairy Arab dude from Michigan who

stumbled upon their entire fucking that

would be fucking hilarious that's that's

literally a comedy I'm literally just

some random guy okay that would be

fucking hilarious okay they're like some

random

some random weird guy from Michigan

joined cpusa today thank you let me tell

you the comedy thank you dark some

random weird Arab dude from Michigan

spent like five years isolated from

society studying the science of Marxism

leninism in depth

and enriching themselves in in Western

philosophy and the Occult and all this

kind of shit and then came to the

conclusion that they need to

reinvigorate the Communist Party USA to

stop the Takeover of the British and

like I I was able to like predict all of

their plans just through like a process

of

deduction and it's like

wouldn't that be fucking hilarious if

just some random dude from Michigan like

foiled all their plans like that I don't

know holy fuck Jacob thank you so much

thank you so much Jacob appreciate you

based thank you Jason I've practiced

talking in cpusa the past six months and

Counting beautiful beautiful

that's what I like to hear thank you

Jessica

and I know you guys are holding out in

those clubs and to see you got to stay

there you got to get those delegate

positions by the elections next year and

you know what that means guys

so if you're a delegate in the cpusa and

you find yourself outnumbered by shit

Libs

get your friends to join or get your

co-workers to join just get people you

know in your life and talk to them and

convince them and and get them to join

so that you can flood the party right I

you know I remember when I had my friend

group I could have easily convinced them

to join whatever I mean some of them did

join a group or whatever so it's like

you gotta you know family members

whatever get people to join with you

so that you can have that social thing

right

that's something I really recommend as

well and also we're gonna I think we're

gonna do our cpusa stream tomorrow

um

where I'm gonna like

tell you how to do whatever fight for no

we're not browderist I don't know that's

a slander they tell us that we're

Browder is we're not sprouters Browder

does not have very strong significance

for us

um we're stalinists

we're not the Browder is deviationists

yeah but um that would be so funny if

like I was right about all of this I'm

literally just a random Arab dude from

Michigan who stumbled upon all of this

and it's like

they it's like they have no idea

they have no idea that we figured it out

we foiled their plan you're like what

the fuck

that would be hilarious

based

Dr Aleister bear will call bugman pods

the new socialism and declare Meghan

Markle to be the heir of Style hey uh

Shire pussy do you want to get in my VC

shy or pussy

and defend what you're saying because

you you seem very eager to type in the

chat you want to come in VC and and uh

talk about how you can justify what

you're saying with the use of Reason can

you rationally explain

to everyone why uh

what you're saying has any Merit pussy

or no I I strongly suspect

I strongly suspect you're too much of a

pussy to do that

this is the bits waste of human

potential okay so do what I'm doing why

don't you do what I'm doing you can't

because you're you're an untalented

bitch that's why no one will ever

fucking listen to anything you ever say

you know everyone always wants to cock

ride my success you reproduce My Success

you can't but they make it seem like I'm

stealing something from them I've been

stealing he's ruining communism he's

wrecking communism really so you reach

people like how I can fucking Reach

people I'm stealing it from you you dumb

fuck

if it wasn't for Hans I would be the

star no you wouldn't you would be

irrelevant how you always were you would

be in a relevant bitch which is what

you've always been you would go back to

doing the same shit you've been doing

this whole fucking time

people really have this delusional if we

just get rid of the pat socks and we get

rid of Hans everything will be fine

no you'll just go back that's why when I

look at black hammer I'm like more power

to him if black hammer didn't exist

it's like I want more possibilities not

less right ah you agree with black

hammer not really but it's like

well I agree with him about this protest

which is kind of based but it would not

kind of really based but it's like why

would I want to knock on black hammer if

they if what they're doing leads to

something that's just a possibility

that's been unlocked why would I want to

drag them down it's not like they're

taking away from something they're only

building and creating something

I mean yeah they're saying land back

which we disagree with that slogan of

how it's used by leptoids maybe they

mean something different by it you know

center of the Clinton News Network

see you want to know why I respect black

hammer despite that they say land back

because they're willing to call out the

Clinton News Network they fight the

Democrats con game and that tells me

they're real I don't care what ideology

you have if you're real about the

fucking Democrats

yes or the CIA News Network on the

colloquial Colonial News Network we are

here in Atlanta Georgia

celebrating Victory Day and Mother's Day

Mother's Day today 50 day tomorrow in

unity with the Russians who are fighting

against the United States of America

they are hiding behind Ukraine a country

that the United States of America

created a nazi racist country

you understand and tomorrow Victory Day

is the Victory Day because it represents

the day that Russia the uh USSR defeated

the Nazis and we are anti the Nazis are

we not we are we are anti-white

we are in time this slave America are we

not

America is a parasite of a country is it

not yes it is it was built on the

slavery of Africans and the murder of

indigenous people and it is kept healthy

out of the bombing and slowly over our

lands around the world and for this in

Mass imprisonment of black and brown

people

and CNN has a lot to do with that

because it is a propaganda tool the

biggest propaganda tour of the United

States of America

oh yeah we don't endorse that we're just

covering we don't endorse that

because we're not allowed to

um anyway

um

look at this funny video I saw check

this out it's actually funny

country

very cool Channel

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this is not like a joke that was not a

joke that's like a serious video they

weren't doing it to troll they were like

yeah we're gonna be serious about

um

did you guys um this is like so late on

the news but it's like did you guys see

this fucking um Asheville protest where

they're like we're gonna put up flyers

in Asheville

to tell all the Democrat volunteers that

they should really be against Stalin in

the PSL

we're gonna critique the PSL and surely

surely all of the protesters about

abortion who are being inspired by

Hollywood celebrities in the Democratic

party will care about this leaflet about

Stalin

this is the most hilarious thing I've

ever seen

pre-abortion on demand without apology

did you guys know that the anarchist

like the uh these Anarchist websites I

forget which one it was like the

mainstream one but they actually had

manuals about post birth abortions

teaching women how to literally kill

living infants

I shit you not I shit you not

it was on the anarchist fact

the anarchist fact yeah I shit you not

it was on the anarchist fact

let me see Anarchist back

infanticide

and it's called 11 ways to kill a child

I shit you not

here it is 11 ways

reconsidering the ethics of infanticide

peruse any zeinfest or Anika's book for

annual notice a plethora of materials on

DIY abortions and the politics of Women

Health

I'm killing her child a woman declares

her Sovereign power over her body and

the body of her child

yet noticeably absent from any of these

radical Publications are discussions of

late term abortions and infanticide

infant side is a rare taboo topic that

is deliberately omitted due to the

discomfort it invokes to others

I'm posting this to Twitter

this is actually way worse than I

thought it was

malformoid leftists Oz is the worst scum

on Earth

anarchists

he must be destroyed

because he called us ugly

anarchists

let's reconsider the ethics of

of infanticide

don't you dare dehumanize us Nazi

let's continue

let's continue down this rapid hole

shall we

um and I I'm just telling you you keep

you can keep calling me a Nazi or you

can address there's a problem you can

address where do you fucking draw the

line leftist where do you fucking draw

the line because this is on the

anarchist library and this is a

perspective they tolerate so where do

you draw the fucking line

question everything and then bestiality

and then pedophilia you don't have a

line because having a line means you're

a fascist according to you right

let's check it out

it isn't discussed because the majority

of people in the United States and other

Rich Nations simply don't believe it

exists anymore

the reasons for this invisibility are

simply today there's a wider belief in

the easy accessibility of all other

options

what makes children acceptable and

killing them so much more highness than

killing an adult

for one Christianity still managed to

seep into popular Consciousness so let's

get this straight

um

the reason we find it highness to kill

children

is because of the Folly of Christianity

I shit you not this is literally the

anarchist Library you can go look at it

yourself

it's command for humans to go forth and

multiply secular society has its own

logic which puts significant value on

children

marked by an obsession with progress and

growth a stagnant or dwindling

population signals a decline in economic

stability and optimism for the future

those cute bundles of Joy are dollar

signs they are consumers from the get-go

similar to animal abuse the

healthlessness plays on people's

emotions along with Notions of Innocence

from the quick and painless to the drawn

on and cruel there are numerous ways to

terminate the growth of unwanted I'm not

even going to read this

they're listing off 11 ways

of how you can efficiently commit

infanticide

go go read it yourself I tweeted it I

linked it on the tweet

they literally list 11 ways

to kill a child

when are we gonna sit down and realize

there's a problem

when are we going to sit down and

realize there's a problem

I'm the problem right I'm a nasty guy

because I call people ugly but you don't

keep these fucking people in your ranks

and check now do you these scum who ran

around these are the same people who ran

around in Chas

keep keep calling me a fascist and call

me too extreme this is your left this is

your radical left any pushback on this

that that means you're an extremist

is it right wing to push back on this

according to them let's be as Extreme as

possible if you push back on this that

makes you a conservative right winger

how can Communists consistently stand

here and say no we oppose this

we in a consistent way according to our

communist principles opposes that's very

easy for me to do as a communist I'm

asking you leftoid scum in the west who

always attack me as a fascist how do you

guys justify pushing back against this

oh we're just not ready for this

conversation that in the future we'll

talk more about it that's also how they

think about pedophilia by the way they

don't have a red line they're just like

when we're not ready yet we're not ready

yet because of the Optics but eventually

we'll talk about it

this is on ironic Satanism it's unironic

satanism

this is unironic satanism

on ironic literally unironic satanism

this is unironic satanism

oh thank you so much

on a rag thank you man

thank you so much man

thank you for the 400 rupees man I

appreciate you

based

long time viewer from India wanted to

thank you because I have learned so much

from you and you have inspired me to

study slash be my own civilization using

infrared lens and try to understand what

it means in the multi-polar age thank

you man I appreciate that that's what I

like to hear

that's what I really like to hear

India's I know very little about India I

know very it's very interesting though I

just know very little about it

just like I know very little about some

Latin American civilizations

but uh yeah that's definitely something

I should start studying

is definitely something I should start

studying more

um by the way guys if you don't know

about land back all of the people who

were like defending the ndn collective

and land back are walking it back now

because they support Tibetan

land back it's being used to support

American colonialism why do you think

they got the grants that they did

it's being used to support American

imperialism

plan back for Tibet land back for

indigenous and Russia yeah they're gonna

do this to Russia they're going to do it

to China balkanize all the enemies of

the U.S

we'll give some land we'll privatize

some land for some indigenous people in

the U.S and then we're gonna go and make

it our foreign policy to uh give land

back to Tibet

and Russian

all did

I mean we did call this let's just be

real called it we knew it we anticipated

it

we had

it's none of it is surprising at all

absolutely none of it is surprising at

all

keep your eyes

also this is funny

this is a funny tweet

he's like what do I say he's like Haas

you're a petite man in a tank top

really

I don't know if you all know this I am

literally wider than you

yeah I might be shorter than a lot of

people I am literally wider than you

like I am literally wider than you are

so let's not

let's not go down this Rabbit Hole I'm

literally better than you and wider

um

you are a petite man in a tank top whose

job is to be a raging loud cognitive

don't loud cows make people laugh

um I think I just make you see in anger

I think this this doesn't look like

laugh to me I think you're really angry

about this tweet and I think you look

like this I don't think this is what

someone who's reacting to a lauka would

look like I think I think you're very

angry actually I think I make you very

angry I think I make you very upset and

you see with hatred and you cope

by trying to call me a Lal cow but it's

you're a sieved cow yeah you're not a

fucking it's not a law call you're a c

it's a seed cow I make you sieve I'm a

seed dragon

imma fucking see the dragon I make you

guys see with Rage with furious

uncontrollable and unexplainable rage

inner rage and hatred right

you're I don't know who this is I'm not

a fucking badass who sits on YouTube

um with more of a beard you don't want

this fight

and I was like yeah but I think I win

the I think I win the fight

you don't win this fight and I'm like

yeah I I think I do win this fight

I think because this is what he looks

like by the way and I

I think I do win what do you guys think

I think I win this fight

like yeah I think I do win this fight

and yeah

I mean hell you can take some interest

from my height as long as I don't have

to look like this I'll sacrifice I'm

already kind of short but like but I'll

sacrifice a few inches if it means if we

were still on time not having to look

like this it's been a full year since I

started following infrared you and the

community as a whole destroyed and

rebuilt my entire world view as a

communist and as an individual thank you

oh man thank you so much natsuki thank

you so much

and you're making me a little sad

because um

uh we're not on Twitch anymore and it's

like the memories I know twitch sucks

now but it's like the memories

the memories were still good right

you still

had good memories on Twitch

still had good memories

and that's what matters

that's really what matters here

thank you

so many people reach out to me for

sponsorships now and I'm like

I don't even know they're like someone

reached out to me and they're like

what price would you want and I'm like I

don't what are your I don't know

what what is the what is normal

um

holy fuck there's people who Wanna

uh damn there's some people who want to

advertise on infrared.gge

um

our website must be getting a lot of

attention

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G guys

Jackson he's literally

6K live viewers

bruh

what the fuck dude I don't bro Jackson

should not even be my friend anymore he

shouldn't even be my friend anymore I'm

sorry that's like he's bigger than vosh

and Destiny now he's literally bigger

than Walsh and Destiny

and I don't even know where he came from

but I'm glad to just have been part of

the ride but I actually feel bad talking

to Jackson now because it's like bruh

yeah that's

that's fucking crazy

that's actually bro I cannot fucking

believe that

I literally can't believe

that is literally bigger than fucking

destiny

I am I can't imagine being at 6K I don't

think I'm meant to be at 6K I actually

can't imagine that

that's insane I always thought about

yeah 3K and then I'm good if I when I

get to 3K like we're good but

damn that's something else

that's something else

um

and then we got gifted subscriptions

coming too which is like wow

wow

wow

wow

um

oh yeah I'm gonna stay on YouTube

obviously YouTube is the future 100

YouTube is definitely the future

I'm still in shock over that shit I

linked

and it's like fucking crazy

hahaha

that's crazy

what the fuck

hi I'm from Russia and now I live in the

U.S I found out about you and Jackson

couple days ago and I want to thank you

for standing for Russia I'm sorry that

you have been de-platformed from twitch

and streamlabs you and Jackson do a lot

for Russians

dude thank you so much

Mad Mac thank you so much I feel really

bad that you donated that while I was

dozing off because like I didn't deserve

it but thank you man

thank you so much

I am really

um grateful for that man thank you

thank you so much

um

thank you so much man

yeah I mean it was worth it it was worth

it I I knew that it was coming you know

on Twitch I just wanted to see if they

would actually do it because I was like

okay what next are you actually gonna

like start censoring people for telling

the truth about Russia

um

oh my God Dan Crenshaw and based Taylor

green get into an exchange let's check

out that but um yeah thank you so much

man appreciate you so this is the the EU

and I always said America's the sorry

Europe is the enemy of America

always said that but let's affirm what I

said

[Applause]

okay there's Europe that's what's going

on in Europe today

but let's check out this exchange

between base so let me tell you

something majorie Taylor green is a

based independent populist

leader

and do you disagree with her about stuff

sure but

she's based because she's independent

she's not bought out Dan Crenshaw is a

fake fraudulent AstroTurf conservative

fraud

he's completely fake synthetic

artificial whatever right

and they get into a heated

exchange Dan Crenshaw sucks pass it on I

agree

still going so this is what Dan

shitshaw with this stupid fucking I

can't even say it because you know what

Hassan was based for saying one thing

Hassan was super based for saying one

thing I'll give that to a son

specifically about Mr Dan Crenshaw I

mean that was one thing you gotta all

agree on when it comes to what Hassan

said

still going after that slot on Russia

today huh

and they so this is their uh exchange

right

so our open border would have

yeah sign up the alarm but then you

voted yes on a 40 million package to

Ukraine so Mr patriotic conservative Dan

Crenshaw voted for 40 billion for

Ukraine

40 billion which is like more than

Russia's total annual defense budget

spending

40 billion to Ukraine imagine what you

could have done with that 40 billion

he gave it to Ukraine they're looting us

you guys pay taxes recently well look

where your tax money's going this is how

they're fucking spending it

yeah because it's investing in the

destruction of our adversary's military

without losing a single American troop

strikes me as a good idea you should

feel the same

so you think we are funding a proxy war

with Russia

you speak as if Ukrainian lives should

be thrown away as if they have no value

just to be used and thrown away for your

proxy war how does that help Americans

how does any of this help

based and I'm following her because I'm

sick of pretending like she's not based

she is based I don't care what she

thinks about abortion or whatever the

fuck you have a problem with she's based

I don't care what fucking problematic

view she has she's based okay

geopolitics is the primary contradiction

imperialism is the primary contradiction

that earned a follow from me super based

and then Dan

cocksucker goes still going after that

slot on Russia today huh and then what

did Queen majory say what did Queen

majory say

in response to Dan shitshaw

Dan seesaw

sanctions aren't stopping anything but

they are driving inflation and fuel

prices I refuse to vote for useless

measures that cause problems but solve

none while you send 40 billion for your

proxy war against Russia I'm focused on

baby formula for American babies

based

that's Ultra manga

so there was this time where she like

shared this profile picture that was

like uh dark Maga aesthetic she's like I

am 100 Ultra Maga and I just replied to

it I was like based and everybody lost

their shit like a man's Sky pods mask

off I don't regret shit this is what

Ultra manga means then fucking based

super based

so that's major retailer based green and

also she was based for something else

too because she just based After Base

she keeps

she keeps surprising me in new ways

and then look she's voting against

paying Ukraine 40 billion dollars

look at this

dad Mac thank you so much

I'm gonna wait for the notifications to

sound thank you so much man

thank you so much for the 20 man

appreciate you

thank you man

BTW about your debate with Destiny there

are two strong arguments about Ukraine

State comparing Kosovo case with Crimea

and about Yanukovych the Halls changed

one corrupted president to another which

is poroshenko

absolutely thank you so much

um I'm trying to think about Kosovo and

Crimea

oh yeah you're right yeah they allowed

Kosovo to vote to be independent but

Crimea can't vote about its future and

Destiny

you know it's it's yeah that's a crazy I

didn't even what the fuck why didn't I

think of that double standard

because they're like oh there's a

genocide from Kosovo okay well there is

a genocide against the Russian speakers

of eastern Ukraine or there was a

potential genocide which they wanted to

avert

how is it not a genocide

let's hear based majorie green thank you

arising up based more anti-imperialists

more revolutionary than any leftoid from

Chas

so they're gonna ask me a question Haas

who is more of a contributor

to the Revolutionary struggle against

imperialism Chas

deformoids malformoids or major retailer

green major retailer green any day of

the week

how could anyone argue otherwise and to

the Ukrainian supplemental Bill 40

billion dollars

but there's no baby formula for American

mothers and babies

an unknown amount of money to the CIA in

the Ukraine's supplemental bill but

there's no formula for American babies

and mothers

54 million dollars in coveted spending

in Ukraine but there's no formula for

American babies and mothers

900 million dollars for non-profits and

organizations in Ukraine but there's no

formula for American babies and mothers

8.7 billion dollars for economic support

and funding in Ukraine but there's no

formula for American mothers and babies

if this is about claiming that it's

about saving lives let's be real then we

would care about war-torn countries like

Ethiopia so that's a bunch of hypocrisy

because I never hear Ethiopia brought up

here

totally ignoring completely ignoring our

own border crisis our own baby formula

crisis and brutal inflation skyrocketing

holy shit if the Discord is banned and

twitch band you the infrared duck Lobby

Waddles on following infrared wherever

it goes thank you so much doc appreciate

you man thank you

thank you so much

gas prices that no one can afford by the

way that was Ezra's Discord I'm setting

up my own Discord actually it's not mine

it's my friend's Discord so my friend is

setting up a Discord which is just this

kind of in it's not really uh it's not

it's just like a kind of Discord you

know it's hard to explain it's you'll

see it's going to be rolled out tonight

but or tomorrow at latest 40 billion

dollars for Ukraine

stop funding regime change and money

laundering scams and U.S politician

cover-ups of their crimes in countries

like Ukraine the American people do not

support paying for constant U.S

involvement in foreign affairs while our

own government fails our own country let

me remind everyone here we swore enough

to uphold and defend the Constitution of

the United States of America and our

borders we should be paying attention to

our country right now I feel back thank

you

thank you

first

based

you guys know how powerful this

combination of communism

Plus

American populism is that is the cia's

worst fucking nightmare

comrade majorie Taylor green is the cias

they are working overtime to crush this

every single smear campaign against me

is because the fucking CIA is so scared

they're like who the fuck is this hairy

Arab guy from Michigan who is literally

alchemically unlocked the formula to

destroy the Deep state communism and

fucking libertarian conservative Ron

Paul fucking populism like holy shit

that's the scariest thing ever to them

they're literally working over oh my God

the documents get them all over time two

holes two holes Come on talk about his

height talk about this talk about that

talk about his beard talk about his

shirts whatever Spearman Ain't Got Away

Tara monkey with the buck tooth ass

teeth with nothing in between her teeth

get the ogre get thought slime get lost

get them all we gotta get this guy down

all because I've literally unlocked the

formula to literally destroy the Deep

state

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some random hairy Arab dude from

Michigan discovered the formula for how

to literally destroy the Deep state

they're like okay Haas I don't know

where you came from we did a background

check you're not like a KGB agent or

anything this is a stupid coincidence

but like this has to end Haas you're

like putting it's like a threat to

National Security and I'm like bruh my

meme you're they're mad about my swag

they're mad about my swag they're angry

at my swag I'm not stopping ever and I

have never had

thoughts of self-harm ever so I just

want you guys to know that hey I have

never ever ever ever considered doing

anything bad to myself so anything that

happens to me 100 is the CIA okay

like just to be clear if anything

happens to me it is 100 the CIA I'm

straight up no ifs or buts about it if

anything ever happened to me it's 100

the CIA like I I'm a happy guy I live

life happy and with the sun shining in

my face so if anything ever happened to

me it's them that it's just like plain

and simple record this save it put it on

your hard drive and bury it because if

anything ever happened people need to

know that this is what I said okay

anything anyway

um

uh yeah it's actually kind of scary it's

like who knew it was this easy and the

CIA is like huh how did you do it how

did you do that I'm like you should have

learned your dialectics you should have

studied the immortal science of Marxism

leninism because it was literally that

simple

dumbass

I am a communist colonizer and I

consider the CIA to be savages the Deep

state are literal Savages and I'm like

this call enlightened colonizer and I'm

a communist and they are no match for me

no match for me I'm literally more

advanced than them I'm more advanced

than the FBI the CIA all of them I know

all of the occult science

well I don't know all of it but like I

know enough of it to like hold my own

against them

you know

you're like how do you even

cause like we psychologically engineered

it so that you would quit the internet

and I'm like dude I'm literally crazy

why do you think I said it's like Haas

we did all of the social engineering to

get you to quit the internet we had

everyone psychologically Target you and

harass you 24 7. to get in your head and

crawl in your skin how's why was it

working and I'm like because I'm crazy

yeah that's why

you know that's literally the reason

holy shit bruh

Jesus Christ

oh my God

you I'm definitely buying a new camera

okay all right guys I get it we need a

new camera and we need a fucking better

equipment thank you so much true Arab

story holy fuck

okay I'm buying a new camera like

tomorrow I'm gonna order one from Amazon

I need good recommendations for a camera

now here's my bounty I want Richard

madhurst camera apparently it's a trade

secrets find me what camera he fucking

uses I want his camera I'm not gonna

spend like thousands but I just want a

good camera

I want Richard medhurst's camera tell me

what camera he uses so I can go buy that

one all right my camera's fine it's not

good enough it's not good enough this

camera is not good enough okay I need a

new camera and um I'm gonna get a new

camera and here's another thing

um

what the fuck was I saying

what was I saying again I I enjoy this I

like streaming on YouTube I'm having fun

are you having fun I

all right and then I get just get to

leech off of Jackson forever

I get to get those raids and just my

channel grows and then it's like damn

this is easy

all right anyway

um

if anyone wants to know I am a Jackson

Hinkle orbit I'm a Jackson Orbiter I

won't deny that I am a Jackson Orbiter

100 percent

100 okay

because

yeah

um

anyway

what the fuck

Richard medhurst camera is pricey happy

late eight

bruh

thank you man

thank you so much

he said you man thank you you know

what's beautiful about this too guys

you get to keep 70 percent

on fucking witch

on Twitch that was

50 went to Twitch they took 50 of the

money you donated now

I get 70.

thank you man thank you so much

for real thank you so much man thank you

so much

thank you so so much

if you looked into donations yeah I'll

look into it

I'll look into it

definitely

I'm wondering if I should work out

tonight because my back guys is it

dangerous to work glad thank you man

thank you so much man

is it uh dangerous to work out because

of my back could something bad happen or

should I just do it thank you vlab

should I just like skip the gym for a

week how long would I have to skip

how long do you think I should skip

one week healing can turn to many months

yeah I know

yeah I know three days

um a day or two

I don't know I don't want to like take

too long

I don't want to take too long

but Saturday I'm going to be debating uh

asset

what the fuck is his name asshole

I sat there scare

s s a tar scare

bear

what is his name again

doctor

s Jackson's calling me S atar Bear

yeah what up bro

no

what the fuck

come on

shit

fuck

all right

um

apparently there's like some weird thing

uh

redirect

there's like an issue with the redirect

let me just get his channel again

this is like YouTube clamping down on

this Ops

fucking strategy right now we got a lot

of people in here where are you guys

watching

he's trying to hold them

bruh I can't believe this

the fuck

let me get it what the fuck

you just get the channel yeah

editing

yeah I just removed you and added you

again right now

yeah that Community settings

fuck what is this saying

fuck

okay okay

bruh

bruh

I can't believe it's not working

he's not he's uh unable to

um redirect

bro that sucks

that really fucking sucks

he's unable to like raid me because it's

like I don't know why it's not fucking

working

so weird

foreign

that's the real Hakeem

that is actually the real Hakeem you

guys didn't know

go watch his stream yeah it's not

working fuck

by the way everybody like my stream

right now like my goddamn stream okay

like my goddamn stream

like the damn stream

and yeah I got

three

damn that would have been a sick raid

bro you had like

4K viewers

that would have been a really cool raid

that would have been a really sick raid

damn that's okay another it'll be

another

yeah everybody liked this shit

like this damn stream

because the only reason I can't do the

pool is because of this shit that's up

but um

I actually think that's all I have for

you today

um

um

yeah join our telegram guys join our

Telegram

and

join the telegram

and I'll see you guys tomorrow

can I can I raid Caleb I can't I can't

rate anyone

I think he has to add me to his

um

I kind of do want to stream for a little

longer I just don't have much

before you lined up

you know we had a good debate

um I would love to raid Alex Stein

also in addition to Caleb yeah guys go

watch Caleb link cave up in the chat

just go watch Caleb

all right guys

uh

hey

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I just want to say

goodbye

goodbye to the people who hated on me

goodbye to the people who loved me

goodbye to the people who trusted me

goodbye goodbye to everybody