UKRAINE-RUSSIA TRUTH (DEBUNKING DISINFO)/ DEBATING DESTINY & HIS ORBITER [2022-03-03]

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don't have much time but i have to tell you guys something and i have to be honest with you about something the climate in the united states is beginning to change arch america has been officially banned more or less by the s government which recently

has released a new policy against misinformation and i have absolutely no idea how that's going to apply to me but according to their new policy seems kind of vague but from what i've read we are not in violation but i don't know how much i'm able to cover now i definitely think i'm not able to cover arch on switch anymore because twitch is banned

russian state owned media because of its misinformation with regard to other topics which have not been specified now exactly what constitutes misinformation is not very clear especially when facts are in dispute such as a conflict such as this right it's all very ambiguous and to be completely

honest with you i am i have no idea what that means for the future of in forret here i have no idea but there is an increased campaign of censorship across the board on pretty much all the mainstream platforms ont think twitch is especially you know it's you tube it's everything twitter everything st

to crack down just for safekeeping you guys know we have a website infrared do g g custom chat a p i is coming very soon probably tomorrow

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it's very important that anyone who wants to

ah continue with infrared

in case something were to happen sign up for this website it's the only way you're going to be able to to be in contact with us we did anticipate something like this might happen we didn't know it was going to happen this soon but that's ok we are entering a new period of and i'm not trying to be hyperbolic with you i'm not trying to over exaggerate or anything we are entering a period

of fascism we are entering a period of fascism in europe for certain and the democrats are trying it here in the united states now if i believed that the maga movement was was going to push back on this i would be more confident in endorsing the it's just i'm not i don't know convince me i

hope i can be convinced right it's just that when i look at platforms like getor sh e t t r which are conservative run platforms they're even more hard when it comes to the censorship than the liberals right so we have to be very careful about this but i think all freedom loving people all liberty loving people all people who believe

even civil liberties in the first amendment we need to just join together i don't care what you are where you align on the political spectrum you can be a conservative you can be a maga guy you can be a libertarian it does not matter we need we need to get to just join forces together right and we need to fight for our democracy here in the fight for our constitution and fight for our civil

liberties because you're thinking that archie is so itm'ch russian so that's ok archie america is it's un precedented their media license was revoked they had their media license revoked that is just a flat out annument of the first amendment and if you don't think they're going to come after conservatives next and i'm not just talking about getting deep platform the talking about outright banning

i'm talking about outright banning newsmaps the rest of those right so we all need to band together in this time because we're under attack russian dancers are being banned i mean across the western world's institutions i'm not trying to be hyperbolic we are seeing a revival of neoazicsm

and by nr nazsom i'm referring to the virtulan anti russian racism russeo phobia a crackdwn our basic normal civil liberties that we consider to be a given in any civilized country all of that is being thrown out the window as far as the future of this i don't know right we're going to you know we follow the rules here it's just that the be new rle

they've instituted are not very clear so i'm going to email them and see what's going on exactly and how it applies to us as far as our current coverage but i'll keep you posted this is quite this is very unpresdent right it's especially worrying because i don't know how misinformation is being defied is misinformation defined

by reporting the facts wrong because if that's the case dylan burns and destiny are very guilty of misinformation i mean dylan burns has reported on dozens of things that have been debunked

and dis proroven many times

but these are things that align with the agenda

of the establishment and the mainstream media

so i guess that's not considered misinformation right i think the're started to define misinformation i could be wrong i'm just worried that what they mean by misinformation is information that does not align with the consensus of institutions which has very little to do with facts or the truth right something like harm that's also that's also subject

right harmful information so this is like breaking news since yesterday and honestly i'm just going to come clean with you guys i could have gone live four hours ago and i didn't because i was so shocked by this news and i just a least wanted to have this debate you know because i don't know what

what's going had i covered this situation all day today i don't know if i would have been covered right so until i can get a real definitive answer i think i'm going to be hesitant on covering and reporting what's going on as in the way that i did before i'm going to still report on it in debunk fake news but for example am i not allowed to show r t anymore as r t

ban from twitch is that considered misinformation i mean regardless of what it's actually saying these are things that are not clarified it's not bann well in the article i read which did ban a twitch account because it had a legit ties to russia today so it's which band in account because of its ties to russia today

yeah they could they all right bandon account because it had ties to russia today yeah that's what they report in their article i want you guys to know i'm not being hyperbolic we are entering a new stage of censorship we're entering a new period i can't promise

i can't really tell you how it's going to play out or what's going to happen we have contingency plans it's obviously not good news we didn't know it was going to it was going to be this quick you know that this was going to happen this rapidly but

it is what it is you know like mop and cannot make it wwich account because he's employed by art right so i can't show things by art i'm guessing i can't show you tube videos by art anymore

it is insanity it's a period of insanity i am considering it depending how insane it gets thank you nordic depending how insane it gets like ptri i'm going to see when it comes to the mid terms i think is when i'll make my decision because i know there's the other fifty percent in this country who haven't lost their minds right

but i don't know how that's going to evolve politically otherwise i may consider my options and actually move out of the country for a little bit depending on how crazy it gets here in terms of the the fashionsm in the cracking down on civil liberties and the cracking down on the first amendment it could get really bad you know they might start throwing people in jail

right it's just getting really bad they're starting to just arbitrarily define what misinformation is based on whether it suits the agenda or not and not based on the actual verifiable facts ok i mean like for example i'll give you a give an example of where i don't i think there's just a lot of room for in misinterpretation like so if i contradict something that the

official ukrainian government says because the official sources of the ukrainian government are liars the lie about the things they're claiming that there are n in thound the russian casualties that the bucking ukrainian government is claiming ok so if i contradict that and say that they're lying and call them bullshitters andm i spreading misinformation now because i'm contradicting an official source a got it has nothing to do with truth

and has everything to do with power right

m that's just not very clear to me right but i'm going to i am going to say i mean regardless i'm just going to flat out tell you

that

you are seeing a tsunami an avalanche of outright lying and misinformation and itll it can all be proven

' from the pro ukrainian side and i haven't seen it from the pro russian side

which

i meana i would i would be interested to know

in what way has russia today spread misinformation what lies have they reported on exactly

i'm not denying they could have they could be lying but i haven't ever seen anyone actually point out how they've lied or misreported facts

except unless we just define that based on not agreeing with the mainstream consensus russell il in'tt what russell i do't lie about exactly

what exactly did roussia lie about

again

i don't know why it has to resort to outright censorship and why it can't resort

to just an open discussion

but

we're starting the debate like now

with dylan burns and destiny

before i say anything more i just want to say guys i don't know what's going to happen

within the next few days i don't know what the plan is i don't know what the future for this channel is here

so just remember uh you know if you're not part of the discord you shoul can join our discord at you know

type the exclamation point discord and then we also have this website

which even beyond the discord will be safe

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just want to let you guys know i don't know what's going to happen going forward i just there's a lot of uncertainty

i know there's a lot of breaking news and a lot of misinformation was reported tonight

and today especially on twitch

lot of lies outright lies

there's some new news about something going on in cher noble

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we are making a telegram

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it's just yeah not being able to cover ar t is a big information blackout

because they do report on a lot of things that no one else does

but

i wanted to show you something by toheev so

so i could be wrong

right maybe i'm wrong

but this appears to be a recent video

by to shev

okay

a sorry this appears to be a recent video

just want to give you guys this before we start

and remember

ok so i'll give you an example of why misinformation is m

is ill defined

because this was a recent video posted by

uh i where was this posted by i don't know where it was posted from i just know when it was posted

which was like

yesterday or today

and

part of russia's biggest chechen military unit beat a whole ukrainian brigade into trophies the problem is that the person being featured in this video

of this recent news who's shoc who's talking about this

recent development in showcasing the trophies

is to shaf

and

the official ukrainian government sources and the official ukrainian mainstream media outlets

made the claim

that

toucheev was killed with his whole echelon

with

fifty six other tanks

that's not him that is definitely him

that's him

that's him right there

that is him

this is him right here

so this is to shayf who they said they killed

how is it that they killed him if he's back you know i mean so are all the people who reported that he died is that misinformation should ukrainian government accounts on whitch be banned for reporting for misinformation i mean it's just depends on how you define misinformation

if misinformation

is

based on telling the truth or not then i guess they should

but if misinformation just means disagreeing with the mainstream consensus and the mainstream narrative

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you know i think they should just say that i think it shult say we don't want

ideologies opposed to ours own one perspective and one ideology

we don't want the russian perspective

we don't want the perspective of the other side we just want the western

white european perspective the perspective of white europeans

i think that's what if that are those are indeed the rules i think this just say we only tolerate the ideologies of white europeans and they should just say that

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yea okay we got everything set up alright let's joine

everyady good to see you how are you

i'm good i'm good i'm ready to be t f o the libs you know

as usual

should be a lot of fun tonight

a glad to have all you guys

here and let me just uh

do the fitting in o b s and we'll be off to the races

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i don't know why don't we all want tw three and see who's louder not loud here

good and then infrared

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and then jackson

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great dilan

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great let me just

fit i make a kind of make a special request for moderation here

sure

can i try to ensure for moderations heavy handed but

make sure that we stay on topic as much as possible i've heard rumors

there are ramblers among us that might want to divert or pivot off to

totallyirrelevant stuff so

does desiny i know you want to bitch out already and throw your towel in and make excuses so want to just man the fuck up

buckle down and wait for the actual debate to start before you make excuses and start falcking coping

about that

r example exhibit a just saying make sure dest he des all right b wan't you fuck and leave that a really do he had named anybody he could have a talk about dylon

but ellan does ramble a lot he talk about me yeah he was talking about me

we di but for real though i'm serious though just because of the seriousness of the topic

this is like one of the few times were i actually i'm going to be like you guys do me a favor

i do want to be like a respectful

reasonable conversation that's hopefully more fruitful than some of the haters out there

are saying it'll be

and ok like i'm really serious about that wheres like i

obvious you guys i like pretty easy goy i don't really get any pleasure in terms of like

trying to take control of the conversation and i kind of hate when people do that but in this case i'm like ods such a serious topic and it's such a big something i just want to give a reverence

that

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i do promise to be more involved and just

for all of everybody's sake and if you think about it

nobody wants to be talked over and so that includes everybody if you're

everybody's hearing this message

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then you w know how to fix that

uh yes i do so

this is

let me send you a link for it

you're going to send him a link for a troubleshooting make sure it's from r t so he knows he can trust

it does you have to fucking rely on censorship

to combat r t so called misinformation

why can't you actually point out concrete instances of that

you have to resort to censoring it you mean like when they use video game footage of like on oh you mean when the pro ukrainian sources did that when it came to the so called ghost of kiev what video prou crainy source you mean brando's on twitter as compared to the a't you don't think to me that's kind of the same thing i think you don't think that people who came up with the ghost of kiev it for pro ukrainian you're a fucking liar

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infred can you do me a favor is just because i'm

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could you do me a favor is if you just type into youtube if you put

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white screen zoom fix

it's one of the first ones that'll pop up like this is a common thing i remember when dylan first came on it was something that we had to work through i hate pushing it on you it's just that

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i think we'll be good

ok roll the dice this is let's see

i've almost got it set thanks your patient detanate can you tell the joke again because everyone else here forgot to laugh go ahead

why didn't see if you had phones and so i want to make sure you caught of that time a then and then and then s the buck a little bita mail

are you really going to let the kremlin grandlin talk to me like this cha

sjust a fuck of destiny

how would you stop your fucking posturing let's get to the meat and potatoes let's go

we're almost set all i have to do is squeeze down this last picture and i promise we'll be off to the races

and in fact

what i'm going to do for the opening is oning to say everybody today we're debating whether or not russia's

whether or not the the

want to put it such that i don't have to worry about

violating some sort of youtube rule

today we're debating the war on ukraine

something to that effect

and then i will kick it over to

infra and jackson

and i will say

and we're starting right now with infrozen jackson's opening statement thes are being with us the floor is all yours and at that point you guys can you know pick up the ball and start running

sound good

all right i'll begin right and then jackson you take the other two

are we time limited on these intros

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thirteen s soer person you know you guys want more

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twelve hours per team

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that's fine itill be fine

cool so i'll begin

so when it comes to the formation of whatll yeah just we're not

saming on my sid yet thoug

it'll it'll take like thirty second to start now we can pick up like halfway between all

thissteny can you ever get out of fucking statement and wear with your fucking chest whathy you got to like anybody getting out a complete sty you have to w you e go a the other everly to model every littlebout how every little alassi regressive bitch made statement you make you have to like mumble your way fucking through it

why do you just say where with your fuck and just say with your just to st the fuck how are you going to talk to me about works in your chest when you acted like such a conciliatory little bit of real life to me are you serious ight i'm not going to ast like thiss only yet here's what i'll promise you next time we meet life is not going to go down that

wi be at the kill stream in early april i'll be in austin or texas or whatever at the end of april i'm going to like two or three events six months so if you want to show up and all you a little bit show down you ca you where youyeah i go i a know all i was out with your stream w i don you know magking me for w sure you go

when youre by big you are ready to go james let's go the most ews i re go y ightking back go going ord els communy three to one

ready said here i go at the cold open

know it's not feeling hot to eanybody tonight we're debating

everybody tony we're debating the war in ukraine and we're starting right now

with

infrared and jackson's opening statement thanks so much gentlemen for being with us the floor

all your

ok so when it comes to the formation of this is the first context i want to establish

when it comes to the formation of military alliances

this actually extends beyond the bounds of the sovereignty within a state's own territory

countries have an obligation to be cognizant of the geopolitical geographic

and historical and civilizational realities

that their own sovereignty is situated within

and this is specifically recognized

by organizations organizations like the owas c

according to which ukraine being a member

one country according to its founding document at least one country security cannot be strengthened

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of another state

so what the oay c establishes is that it's not just that states are just

completely totally free to just

do whatever they want in terms of making security alliances

and in terms of how they construct their militaries and position themselves geopolitically

there's a very delicate balance of power and security

in europe and everyone who's committed to actually preserving long term peace

a which is what the oways c is actually about

has to be rec recognized the fact there needs to be a balance of security there needs to be a security architecture

that ensures

that there is a fair distribution of security across the continent

when this balance is tipped in one direction or the other

it creates a situation of instability and geopolitical uncertainty

and leads to the conditions that ultimately could lead

or into conft

so one has to keep this in mind

when one is bringing up the issue of the sovereignty of states

states should have a right to self determination and states should have the right to be sovereign

but they should also be cognizant of the geopolitical and geographic

realities within which they reside

uh

so as to not create circumstances that upset the balance of security in

youretty

give it to jackson now

yees so the next point that i think is really important is to actually and i would like to hear dylan and destiny respond to this

when they talk

is to address when did this conflict begin or

you know war when did this war begin

the war began

and they refused to call it a war ukraine the ukrainian government refused to call the war

for eight years because they wanted to have

i mf loans and you can't give im f loans to a country that's at war

but the war began

after the twenty fourteen coup that took place

on the heels of the myd on protest which began in all honesty

h without u s backing i mean there was a plurality of people within

the ukraine that were frustrated over the fact that the

you know there was not going to be eu membership for ukraine and i guess there was a going to be a delay in the decision

and those protests began and then eventually they decided that they were not going to take the unfair

the you know deal that the e u offered them

they knew that these neo liberal policies that would be inflicted upon them upon

that the e u deal would have hurt them much more than opening up

trade partnerships more with russia would have helped them

so

upon these protests the u s you know began to

infiltrate the movement

u s politicians began you know working with

agencies on the ground u s front agencies on the ground like the national endowment for democracy

victoria neuland even boasted about

fact that you know they funneled

five b i think it was five billion dollars we'll discuss the details of the u s involvement in the coup

a later on in the debate i'm sure

but lots of money came in to these u s agencies on the ground

to actually hijack

the mydn protest

upon hijacking the maidan protest

i

violence broke out

on

this was dissimilar to the two thousand and four color revolution that the u s also played a part in

surrounding the two thousand and four elections which yanukovich was also involved in

initially reported that he won the

though international

western aligned agencies

claim that these elections were marred with the

with corruption and discrepancies irregularities in the vote

the election was overturned then and you know yanukovch didn't see the presidency

until his second run but the

after being elected you know

during these mdan protests

us in

became involved

they led a coup upon the democratically elected government of yanukovich

and after

that you know

coup on the democratically elected government of yanakovich

we saw the eight year war begin and that's the next point i want to make

it's insane to assume that this war began you know

within the past two weeks

everyone knows that there was shelling there was fighting in the don bass region

the question is when did that begin it began directly after the coup

thanks to the western aligned leader that was put into power

now these western aligned leaders that were put into power

to have deep ties to the you know nationalist far right

you know factions radical factions within both the ukrainian military

and the ukrainian political apparatus

there's over eighty far right

you know

military militias and battalions within ukraine

some of the most notable include of course the az of battalion which is

one of the primary forces that has been waging asymmetrical warfare

upon the people of the netskin lahans

who they themselves took votes to recognize their independence

which was not which was not you know granted by russia or ukraine or western states

for many years

though

vladimir putin did come out and say that he respected the legality or the legality the outcome of the election

but he didn't actually recognize them as independent states at the time

up until you know

just this month

so

all in all

this conflict didn't begin this week

it began

during the made on coup

the asymmetrical warfare was wage against the people that of thenett skin lahns

and the past three years of the conflict which is

all i have been able to find data for maybe dylan or destiny can provide more evidence but the

according to the united nations eighty one point four percent of the civilian casualties in the dombas war

came on the side of

the dom bass civilians dying there

and at the end of the day

russia

you know was very very restrained

they tried to engage in peace deeal surrounding the minsk accord

and bring peace to the region

not like it or not think it's fair or not he did do that for eight years

and in that entire time everything i just mentioned was taking place

and these western aligned leaders that controlled the government

for different stretches of time over these over this

over this period

to have made a continued effort

to try and join nato which vladimir putin is continuously said and i agree

would be a direct threat

to their security

you got it thank you very much

for those openings in forred and jackson hell want to let you know folks if it's your first time here at modern day debate we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science religion and politics

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to submit a question as well thanks so much justine and dylan for being with us the floor is all yours for your openings as well

so w has been saying it's be quoted as saying said multiple times that the greatest geopolitical catastrophe

the last centuries and the collapse of the soviet union think if we look at the actions of putin

not just in ukraine but in other countries and other states within russia around the world that we can see that

putin's goal is to rebuild

some sort of new body that resembles the lost soviet union

whether that's going to be the union state that includes belarus russia and perhaps some future ukraine or not remains to be seen based on how well the ukrainians can resist russian aggression but it seems pretty clear that putin has a huge drive to rebuild what he sees

as one of the as i guess his fond memory of the of the soviet union

the idea that

and in terms of individual claims i guess we'll start going through the history but i mean almost everything you said is either half wrong or just completely wrong

the idea that europe was offering them an unfair deal one of the biggest reasons why they require that e u deal was because

russia themselves began to put blockades on certain imports

for ukraine just because they thought the president was looking towards the european union for deal

um

the idea that the russian deal was better when the european deal would have just allowed them access to the markets while the russian deal was literally

a an exclusive deal that would have forbade them from trading into other markets is hilariously stupid the idea that this conflict began in two thousand and fourteen is also just completely wrong there been foreign policy experts i can find papers back since two thousand and ten claiming that crimea was under threat of invasion from russia and it was invaded russia has been consistently working with disinformation campaigns among actual military aid to places like donbs or crimea

since at least two thousand and ten if not earlier

has been a long and a rich history of corruption

in ukraine whether we're talking about people that used to actually be in the soviet party that became leaders

of ukraine or we're talking about people that more or less wanted to be putin stooges

later on like um

like anokovich aor you think that's the equivalent of an armed conflict

i guess we're going into the individual history of any of these particular things but

thinks that's the ev of a ca of an arm right today that literal wasy justified in their aggression and the're taking over of any of the ukrainian territory whether that's when they took over crimea two thousand and fourteen whether that's the eastern territories that they're trying to take over now or the rest of ukraine that we're trying to take over i think it's just absolutely absurd i would echo something that has said in the very beginning of the debate that one country security cannot be increased at the expense of another that's a hilarious statement come

from somebody trying to defend the neo imperialism of

do you want to be soviet union and i'm curious how you guys will defend this in the conversation coming forward because of new imperialism

so i guess the best thing to do would be start with

i guess we'll start in two thousand and four

i know more about like recent ukrainian history so the orange revolution which i respect ukrainian people for taking power into their own hands to stop an election that was stolen it respects the fascists ukrainian court as of nazis forur and you we call it a coup or was a coup of victor an akovich what was failed to mention

isn after the ukrainian courts decided that there was large scale fraud

committed on behalf of victory on a kovich in two thousand and four is that there was a revote two thousand and ur revote

done once international monitors wre now involved in the situation that's when fictuan akovich lost the two thousand and f

revolution thousand and four

cited here as a coup what is not mentioned is just like in the twenty fourteen

tw

there is an election after both atension and that's coming as not two thousand and four there was a revote and in two thousand and fourteen after fictory yanakops was impeached

he then fled the country and there was another democratic election where somebody was democratic elected there was also another election in twenty nineteen

where linski won with about seventy three percent of the vote what it what a narrative of events ukrainian people and who was just an impeachment to democracy its all it wast since it was just an impeachment

we're talk about i know both of these people care about sovereignty a lot here in both instances both in twenty million and four and two thousand and fourteen and before it the russian state has meddled in the affairs of ukraine on multiple occasions formenting corruption directly getting involved in elections and directly get involved with ukrainian politicians basically sponsoring it oh but the s is not they have it's a given in the affair that's meddling and it's what is

meddling even mean everyucking country meddles a politicians like victory yanakovch and you're going to see the orange revolution in two thousand and four when a foreign state meddles in the internal fails of another state

so it's strange for me to hear all this concern about america interfering in the internal affairs

of the ukrainian government in two thousand and fourteen when there was so much of it going on ever since the creation of ever since ukraine voted with over ninety percent of the vote

to separate from russia

and the early nine thousand what does that have to do with anything like the sites that has nothing to do with the orange revolution or twenty fourteen s in one thousand nine hundred four in the budapest memorandum to not invade

a ukraine after it gave up its nucear which was which was nulli bi real in the budapest memorandum was nullified spirit of that was also violated when they meddled in the internal affairs

of ukraine and both to thatse nifi ond and fourteen and many other instances besides that i heard a lot about concerned about the far right

but i heard no concern about for example the russian national unity movement which is a russian neo nazi political and militia group that is active under the arm of the donest people's republic

they are a neo nazi militia

that has been fighting on behalf of the nest people's republic for a very long period of time now and so for mo it this claim of den nottification prove their neoazis having to do with the n notification is ridiculous to me not only are nazis fighting on behalf of russian backed rebels but there's also instances of for example

belarus the leader of belarus which is involved in the conflict

praising adolf hitler saying germany reached its peak not only that

but also we could talk about the chechen fighters for example that's evidence shw single hitler sexuals and concentration camps

now i don't want to talk about the deep history of the gays and nazi germany what abot is anything that is nazi asqe i would say putting homosexuals in concentration camp

would solidly being homophobic means you're nazis even have to do with polling data when you talk about anti semitism between the two countries or the fact that the oz off battalions political party which is something that cited on multiple occasions has not won a single seat

and ukraine's parliament you can add the right sector as well the right sector has not run a single seat in your cams poliment either now maybe if you added to three finger party you can get one seat out of four hundred and fifty i wonder why because they're not proopular and they're only fucking proped up by the cheap state of urainulous when the russian's fucking evidence the republics that of let's evidence the coup wasn't popular with neo nazis it's simple that the

labs of europe obviously have a bad memory with neo nazis and it's really easy to convince your population that the enemy is bad if you call them all nazis if in this debate i said

you know my two opponents here are neo nazis it would justify me being extremely terrible towards both of them because nobody likes nazis as long as you're a normal person we can probably get into specifics of u s involvement in twenty fourteen

uh and theic labeling of aus q we can get uh more

and to the budapest memorandum of hoping get more into that

but i'll just end my statement there for now

i'd also like to add on amends to dylan statement that i would like to congratulate the neo nazi country of ukraine for being the first country outside of israel to have its two highest level political positions held

by jewish people which is an amazing achievement for us because you goad nic nott opening statements

oh you oh my good also wa i mean you do i i once like genter gentlemen i they do it there are still five minutes left thank you guys youre all that if we're going to play yeah now we got i do i don't want to say oh yeah it isn't that surprising

that these people couldn't respect the rules of rules of debate when the russians are not respecting the rules of war

and multiple cities across ukraine sorry to almost as though they were trying tove the grey in their opening statement by violating the security of ouring it unliable he di i all right so i'm going to use the mute button liberally tonight just because i do really seriously want this to be a fruitful conversation so i agree

thank any last words from ustine and ylan in terms of that opening last word just for context before we get into debating the ethics of the as of battalion

this is a fighting force of maybe two thousand five hundred people of whom ten to twenty percent are supposedly neo nazis out of ukrainian army that has over two hundred thousand active military personnel the idea that ukraine is some hotbed of neo nazi activity is just hilarious having both a prime minister and a president that are jewish like it's it's one of the biggest driving forces that putin uses try to push his population against ukraine it's absolutely pure probab

ganda

all right i think where are we going here doylan i've got a few more minutes anything else you want to

um i mean i could just list off like russian war crimes in ukraine

since they talked about that

a the targeting of civilians and karas on the targeting of civi means laughing demented as bull shit all bose of civilians all across ukraine since you address ho you're full of shit a on are a warning my goodness he's laughing

i can i think the comment on that if we do have there is that there are about three minutes and fifteen seconds left for stay on topic don't don't make comments directed at me ps very i can't it's a the but it's what do you mean don't make comments directed at you do you want to just think longg follow i think do you think do you think it would be it wouldsid a war crime when you shan't go didn't that guy say that he was really crazy he had like agent orange poisoning or whatever there was kind of a random thing when he was running against

you shan'k go this kind of strry i'm sorry when you turninggainch i was kind of little say a little strange i mean but you know might randomly you among a little strange all the journy w once a ear look you look at that look at that a little stramp stop

see again more evidence that pro russian

individuals in this conflict just can't follow rules of engagement

anyway

a civilian critical civilian civilian interest infrastructure has been targeted in mairaple civilians have been bombed in kiasan again and again and again

kindergartens have been targeted ng o s like emns international wor all right now in violation of the geneva convention i believe that the largest nuclear react in the world has been hit multiple times it is currently on thatvest there hap right and now actually true the don't have reports yet i think i saw ur t article saying ukrainians themselves were shooting handguns at it in order to

foment like false did you did we eck if there was a swasika on the side of the nuclear reactor it could be a nazi nuclear there was a picture of the was to go that it was released by russia state media later came out that i was going to called y we where so it was we red w that was the end of our opening statement rest our case

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gentlemen

really during this whopen conversation i really do need you to work with me

it really does have to be that you're not speaking over each other because that of course

thwarts our own purpose of having the debate if people can't hear people because they're speaking over each other so we're going to go in open conversation

the floor

is all yours

well whath do we want to start gentlemen

i'll start

since you guys just went by responding to i mean there's a

a whole lot to pick through there but

dylan did make the inflammatory claim that the

that yanukovch was impeached

and despite the fact that

dylan claims to be an expert on the matter

yada yada yada foreign policy expert

he seems to have lost out the fact that

yanukovich was actually not

to impeach per the constitutional requirements

in ukraine in fact

like finish this is this wll let me finish because you happen to not know you're talking about

mmhmm oh

he needed there needed to be three fource of the parliament to guarantee an impeachment

and

they did not reach that

they did not get those three quarter votes in order to impeach

yanikovitch

and the supreme courts in the constitutional courts were not involved they did not recognize this as an impeachment

i believe it was the following day or maybe two days after yanakovich decided that

his life was under threat and he was going to flee to the second largest city in ukraine

he did he fled by by helicopter

and there was actually reports the reason why he fled by helicopters because there was reports that there was going to be

a you know act of violence upon him committed by these far right wing forces that were trying to lead this coup

and in fact upon his you know his his his

the series of cars that were supposed to be carrying him off to

karkov when he was leaving

when in fact he was a helicopter they were fired upon by snipers

so he was not he was not impeached there was no constitutional requirement they didn't get enough vote so i don't know why you said that

well number one it is a debate that is ongoing in ukraine whether he was legally or not legally ip

ok you could continue the

ok he din't you to laugh so why did you say that he was din't you didn't let me up you know let me see you didn't let me finish ok

is an ongoing constitutional

debate on whether he was legally or non legally impeached

a is there tobate

let's just give a minute or t james a minute or two for dylan respond ok

it is a ongoing legal debate within ukraine and i honestly i am going to appeal to the legal scholars in ukraine which said that he was constitutionally impeached i'm going to appeal to them because i'm not a legal expert and i know jackson inkele

you're not a legal expert

as well

but

i do want to bring up here for a second in part that this is probably the first time i've ever seen jackson in favor of a suprim of a regime change war and can we also let me el to the science

i'll give you thirty seconds i got to give you thirty seconds and then we got to take it over was

if you want to talk about science for a second can we talk about the claim you made

that the ukrainian government was working with the american government to make bio weapons that would target russian d

there have been reports that the bio labs that are operating within ukraine that the ukrainian government is allegedly solely operating

we're indeed collect this is an allegation by the russian embassy and i'm going to appeal to have any evidence i well i'm going to appeal to the experts at the russia who are so you have an ok so yeah i sd i just i mean appeal to the scholars on military

r the militaryts my t foreign ministry

i'm going to appeal to the scholars of the russian military

who i trust them i'm not an expert in the intel that all they have all that which scientists has backed that up any scientists

those are russian military foreign relations experts and they know what's going on they have the insul it's the g r you i don't know which which ones which one will do whats legaln appew which legal scholars in part so so yeah wich scholars are arguing that the impeachment was legal then

so you're fine with me appeal so my p its propers a problem for me to appeal to legal scholars but it's not it's a problem for you i'm just aplying to sames that ing you're applying to me

but you were laughing when i was doing that as if it was a ridiculous thing to do but you're doing the same ex so it's ay same standard

allthough we can say is that i don't believe that the russian foreign issue would be lying about this i don't so you do believe ok could how would that be done exactly how would you target russian d n a with biochemical weapons how would that work

definitely considerate you don't a wy know that there's that but if you don't know it let me why i'm not finish let me finish when i w i don't know that you'sen i hold on once i trd to be if you to be hold on jot i mean if you're not there to hold ou gleman jugt m you don't know that's about up n mey mintes you guys seriously

it just to be fair to in forrad you did ask him a question i want to give him a chance to answer that last question dylan

i promise i'll kick it right back to you o

yeah finally

you don't know that that's a thing that there is biological weapons that are being developed that s target the specific d n a of specific peoples

that the u s was accusing china of developing this and vice versa for china you don't know about that whole thing

my problem is it's very difficult for putin on one hand to talk about the united like

the history of both ukraine and russia

and to have the amount of like relations between yeah ukraine and

what

yeah we know they shared the internt

yes so how are you going to make biochemical weapons

that russians as but there's no there's no evidence for that we can we actually cares as a more reason estion we know i think it's why don't we why would we trust the russian state media who is trying to not this they a the russian embassy

let's let's which is it which is in thirty seconds and we'll ick it over you bd or jack

if i were to try to tell you that i know that iraq has weapons of mass destruction because the us stateus wasre not the pretext for russia's oh my god wait is i go my is that might woy en it's iveotus this that this is not the pre its us operation so it's notd we have it i promiseart i di had bitching about i being of the topic certly on you have to so

i hate to do this

because

let's give another thirty seconds to detiny will come right back the infrad

ok i just i don't understand because i don't think the kremlin grm would be happy if i were to cite the u s state the united states trying to the war against anther i i don't think i'd be able to say youll the united states has this l you need some sort of like external european union body or un body or somebody running into something so russia that's trying to justify a unilateralt me to say like well there e that is a biob i don't think that's a good

i don't think that's about me just yeah if this was the pres aread you've got to do me a favor you can if you're going to yourself come on you've got to work with meer so i'm going i'm going to take his insults and not to respond we're to puy your knowledge you're going to insult me you just do it on your time he's going to ses d it has the no mass down

and fucking put some respect on this

or i am going to fuck and crt him off

now if this was the pretext for russia' special military operation

you would be right we would need that evidence to be righted

but that's not the fucking pretext for the special military operation

it's another type of allegation

the details of which have not been disclosed to the pop fucking public

so arguing about it is fucking pointless

you want to know my fucking opinion i trust that they wouldn't make this up

because they don't need to because they have plenty and enough

such as the fact that the ukrainian government is infiltrated by anti russian

neo nazi forces and we're going to talk about that i actually

you said that because the lenski is jewish and that there's jewish representation in the ukrainian government

i there couldn't possibly be

neo nazi sympathies

rampant in the ukrainian ruling elite i never said that there weren't neo nazi sympathizers there might be sympathizer that's not that's not what your initial allegation was nazism solely defined by anti semitism n was prime anti semitism actually

was just a subset

of the pan european supremacism that define nazism

they could they were anti semitic because they considered jews to be foreign to europe

right

the main thrust a shale was targeted toward

russians who are considered asiatic and slavs to the east

in general

wait who wanted to enslave and wa wa who the russians do in the slob because w the fuck as nobody cares us this is nothing to do that we're talking about

no it does

because the fact that's ens ca you doesn't fucking me ukrainian reymore and can't have neo nazi sympathies

stepan bandera

who was a nazi collaborator during world war two

is widely celebrated in ukraine

by the ukrainian government they're putting monuments by him they're putting his pictures up during my don he's been exonerated and he's been rehabilitated

despite the fact that he was a fucking nazi collaborator

now if you can't square that consistency with the fact

that zlenski is jewish you should go as alenski himself

why he's the head of a state that is celebrating a nazi collaborator despite

going of the jewish background so are you saying that the russian nazis like

jews they're fine with jewe i mean the ukrainian nazis they're fine with jews they're like pro you nazis

that's a question you should raise to them and when i'm asked what i'm asking you i'm not i'm raising a question to you

they may they may harbor anti semitic views but as far as i'm not concerned there is nothing in can there is nothing impossible about the idea

of

western ukrainian who are from jewish descent

also have neo nazi sympathies themselves

having sympathies for somebody that might have been a national here i'm sorry i don't want to interruptd and i read we you know a good amount of time

let's gek it over to stephen and then

jackson do after after stephen just in case jackson has anything to

so this is like nazi proper or notosi propaganda start soliarance this is like au propaganda one one ok so the original claim was that the government was full of like neo nazis and now would shift it is

and for my done talking holy shit now the claim is moved all the way back to well there is a hero that was pretty arguably a neo nazi that some people in ukraine celebrate this is a totally us totally ukraine government totally no it's not it's incredibly government is an incredibly divisive figure and there is an incredibly devisive bigger even even in western ukraine ok the united states and i can i finish a fucking sentence holy shit

this isn't your spencer debate we're going to ramble for twelve fucking hours and t to get a fucking word in ok the idea that just because somebody worship some hero or some country said oh this guy was really port our history means that the entire country is all of a sudden infested with new nazis is no less true than when the united states celebrates any fucking hero that has a sort of history or has been racist or has been anti meedic or whatever else the fucking united states took in nazis after world war two in exchange for some the scientific information they could give us as

make us naziss make our government full of neo nazi sympathizers if you want to make the argument ukraine has neo nazi sympathizers and need to show me neo nazi actions happening today in ukraine not trying to allude to some hero that a prime minister you know in two thousand and ten or whatever decided to nominate a some fucking hero because of it history in ukraine you need to show me something current about that one of the neo nazi activities that ukraine is taking on today don't tell me who is nominated as a blucking national

you're complete you're completely full of fuck and shit

you just said that step and bonder and there is no on accenally there's no zi collaboraateor his whole his storic significance was that he was a fucking nazi collaborator he has no significance outside think i think no i think i cannot like i think i could add some your context some i s inventor of the fucking telephone act be a racist

this guy his primary historical significance

was being a nazi collaborator who betrayed the soviet union

and was attacking him on behalf of thats truanc

that of the slavic and russian and ukrainian people

to create a westernized ukrainian collaborator state so completely f your s it when it comes to that

finally what i know aboutady you'll nazi activities that are going on now and have been going on

the past eight years sure it's the as ofll battalion which is the vanguard

of ukraine's military in the eastern ukraine

and in the dawn bast

which is regularly attacking civilians

regularly shelling civilian infrastructure

regularly embarking on a campaign to slaughter and exterminate

the russian peoples in eastern ukraine

they could they committed the massacre of odessa

back in the early days of the mamydn all sorts of fucking neo nazi activities they've burned people alive they've hung people they've slaughtered people

they've made people disappear if you want to talk about neo nazi activities in fucking ukraine

that are now in contemporary here

we have a whole host of fucking every single thing you just described modern day raights contexts i want to ge i want to jump example i thoinght ded the n that was n i people the know it's not a neo not war criy iss aredy doeuys a talking let me get in my two cents now ok

so

at the end of the day

the primary goal of the ideological inheritorce of the organization for ukrainian nationalists

which is the vanguard of fascism in ukraine this is the ideology the radical faction within this organization especially

of stafon bondera

they are the people who are primarily responsible for the hundreds of thousands of

h you know jewish polish

and rushian deaths that took place during world war two when

western ukrainian ultra nationalists and neo nazis were collaborating

with with

the with the actual nazis from germany that were invading ok

so

the ideological inheritors of this ideology and you know

apologies for not being able to pronounce these names properly but

ole tianyabuok who is the co founder of olig's faboda

he claims that he wants to purge ukraine of jewish people

and russians he was ranked the fifth most

anti semitic political leader

on the planet in two thousand and twelve

it just so happens he was a people's deputy in ukraine up until two thousand and

but

this guy right here who is a co founder of svaboda

also co founded this ultra nationalist right wing party

with andre poerby

he was the leader of the euro ma don pote protests

he was the one that helped organize the violence that was inflicted upon the

what's assumed to be roughly forty nine fifty individuals who died in the massacres on february twentieth of two thousand and fourteen at youurom don

he was the speaker of one of the most recent parliaments the chairs of one of the most recent parliaments in ukraine

ah he was the leader of the society to erect the

stefan bondera monument in ukraine

and he claims that bondre was the most important person in ukrainian history

so it's not just and i could you know i could go down a list re you could maxim marchenko

that this individual zlinski replaced a civilian governor of odessa

commit

commander of the far right aight their battalion

you have a victor yshenko who is president

he actually publicly before leaving office signed a decreed stating that for an unbreakable spirit of heroism self sacrifice

in the struggle of the independence of ukraine i am granting a status of hero of ukraine

to stepan bondera

you can look at you can look at tons of people andre andrea belitzki

a ukrainian white nationalist he was the co founder of the social national assembly first commander of the aza battalion

he's celebrated on t v shows he was a big

you know part of the may don protest you can go down the line

many many many members of

are deputies of the

thirty more

people's deputies of ukraine deffer national

the security and defense counsel secretaries all of these people

within the ukrainian military and government have had

some sort of an ideological either

sympathy to or participation in a lot of these people have

with

neo nazism

ok even and this is last thing i'll say regarding neo nazism

this is a this is a shocking video there's a video of

a some of the neo nazis

who helped organize and carry out the maid on coup who said if not for the eight percent of neo nazis

the effective this of may dawn would have dropped by ninety percent

and these were the same people that were funded by indirectly funded by

u s agencies on the ground like the national endowment for democracy last thing i'll say that was the last one the lanter as o yeah i just equs our marginal if the as a battalion is marginal

then why did poores shenko in two thousand and fourteen say they are our best fighters

why did even the mainstream western press report

then as far as ukraine's eastern operations were concerned

az all b time was a lt question why did the national guard that was the last question i we can we cant answer four hundred enty they made is it just as it it like go to give me those b wre just it yeah just as a like a real quick thing ok like you can go back as much as you want like twenty years ago when ukraine was barely a country for ten years of the country was still mired in corruption and try to say well these guys came from these parties that were like ao but like show me anti semitism in ukraine r

it's like one of the last somen got it there are a lot of points

y so where is the anti semitism in ukraine where is the nazism in ukraine you can't point to the civil war happening the east and going civilians are dying that's naz you can't you can't you can't you can't point towards people being killed extrajudiciously people that are being invaded and genocide people that are being deported from nota semitism

how is that the same

you think you can't be a nazi if you're not andani semitic yes you can the semitism when ukraine is probably the least anti semitic country in europe according to the rain jewish center and couting to the ukrainian jewish encounter at least when you look at the fact that people in poland are so eager and keen to take on people that are fleeing from ukraine like we're don't see this mass persecution of jewish people in ukraine we don't see any like rampant anti semitism ukraine like you can go back

all you want to point to like one hero that was nominated by an outgoing prime minister or you can you know point to these people that in the very beginning came for pary parties but there's just no evidence today that there is this rampant anti semmitism this rampant nazism in ukraine it doesn't where you getting w the only measurement of naz is anti semit there are a ot notzis was rased an extermination

so

there's also something that's really interesting here and is that nazism seems to matter so much

on one side

nobody cares about the neo nazi militias fighting on side by side with russian soldiers nobody even brings them up

the russian national unity movement and the militias

fighting on behalf of the donest people's republic

that isn't brought up why because those are inconvenient nazis those are nazis on the russian side

people don't talk about the facts

that we're talking about what the nazis are bad why the nazis bad obviously because they put people in concentration camps and they slaughter people in all the war crimes that he brings up

but the fact that the same people involved in putting homosexuals in concentration camps or right now within ukraine

fighting against ukrainian government that isn't something of concern

i heard them laugh when i talked about blarussia

the broth the belarusian dictator

lukashenko praising adolf hitler these things are inconvenient facts because the problem is right and this is the fact of the matter there are nazis fucking everywhere across this conflict but the problem is the people want to hype up the nazis on one side to make them the nazis because slavic people have a terrible history with nazis if you can make your opponent the nazis then boom they're the bad guys

anything you do against them is justified if i std i could stand here and tell you that russia is a nazi state i could bring up the fact

that five percent of ukrainians believe that jews should not be allowed to be citizens while fifteen percent of russians believe that thing almost triple that's sta tistic i could bring up the lukashenko uotes about hitler i could bring up the gays being put in concentration camps and in russian territory i could bring up the neo nazis militias and say so

russia is a nazi state but that would be dishonest but i'm seeing that dishonesty from both of you right now trying to paint

ukraine a nazi state

and i don't even think jackson i for it got the point in order jackson saying that they are anti semitic nazis and for it saying that they these are nazis who love the jews i din't fuck say that

what i actually said

was that the o the emphasis on anti semitism may not be as strong as the emphasis

on pan european supremacism and racial exterminationism

and but that's the fucking point

and moreover the movement for national unity is not at all fucking relevant

or prevalen within the fuk they're fighting

it's near fightingld yeah they're nowhere near as relevant or proportional to the fucking forces of the russians that are fighting in the danbass

as is the as all btime theyre come there marginal they're completely marginal but it's amop th the chechens are fighting the chechens are right now a very important part of russia's operation right now you think the chechens are working alongside these totally islamophobic

prevalent for no they're not sent they're fucking completely marginal and he's and if they are if you take into account the premise of what's started this entire conflict back in

twenty fourteen the yeuro madd on protest in the violence that ensued there

and the fact that it

was co opted by these coup leaders

that were western back

and you do have to acknowledge that the effort to you know accomplish this in the success of the movement

was led in great part thanks to andre perubi

who is the speaker of one of the most recent parliaments and the chair chair of one of the most speak recent parliaments in ukraine

this is the guy who literally sparks the entire conflict

another thing i heard you say that was even maybe more damning than the fact that you falsely claimed that

that you know the president was impeached when he wasn't impeached

was when you said that you claimed that

or maybe it was destiny actually i might be i might be

you know getting my quotes wrong one of you said

ah that crimea was illegally invaded by russia

i would be i'd just be curious like hear youruh thoughts on that more

and whether or not you respect the will of the crimean people

who voted in a referendum overwhelmingly to legally join the russian federation

ninety six point seven seven percent voted in favor of joining the russian federation

was that after the invasion five one percent supported staying in just crane jackson was that after russian in baded crimea they held that referendum right i just want to get that what right what do you find that talk about just i just want to hear yes and i was was that was that the rsian was at the russian referendum they held after they inbaded what do you find let's listen what do you find as a russian invasion because going back to eighteen zero four

there is a russian troops in cry invasion of when they took over when they invaded over or and i want to got i went if i want to i got was honestly w even ukraine despite the fact that they have had troops there since eightheen eighteen zo four then sure we'll call it an invasion but we both know it's not invasion the crimeans are clere there in overwelming more the russian orvasion jt like the russian that are on fasted

just like the having tre on ss having troops stationed in a rre you not the same as wriking rightere the separated from the ukrainian government what's your evidence they rus over the entire peninsula

because there are plenty of videos on the ground of people saying

and they're not threatening anybody they're here peacefully they us sovereignty right now over the crimean peninsula i'm sorry yous s w own saver

who administers right now to the region of the crimean peninsula peninsula

is it the ukrainian government yeah or is it the russian government

it's a part of the russian federation since they vote ok so what does it mean to do and they and they voted they voted that

who held that referendum

the referendum was organized by the people of crimea

under who

it was a russian organized referendam notd hous for was organized organized gentleman i and i i got i got i got a go house everybody pard of my interruption

just

just to be sure that

jackson did you feel like you had enough time to answer that last question from stevehen

sure

better

okay

and then i think stephen you were so a referendum that's not recognized by any other country in the world including ukraine obviously why don't you want to that you could invade the idea that you could invade some part of a country and then hold a referendum there to see if those people want to stay with you not even if they even if we granted all of that that they did say yes you can't just have populations referendum away parts of your country sovereign territory to other invading nation states that's just not how that

works you know what if that was the case even if that i don't care what's interest here even if that was the case that doesn't work that way in any of part of the yet that's not that's not has as bect that's rere going to have respecting the results and list ts be ran of the way you knowo way do the holleps

james seriously i can't just t like fifty i didn't talk at all is your question din't even gt the answer is a question well let me respond to what hes not not to mention is like gentlemen stop ti do this but i do want to say dylan is there anything you want to clean up on behalf of destinyause we have you theres while there's a you thing the first thing i want to the first thing i wanted to bring up

is that

i didn't hear from in forrad really he just said the chuchens are fighting to yes but chechens involved in putting homosexuals in concentration camp that doesn't make them nazis that is not ay don't it was i lisen to me even if allegations are ady that doesn't make them not they're nazis or not specifically doesn't matter o say that let me say that finish

then just say that i don't care so shut up i don't care

ok

i'm trying to finish my point

i think that people who put people in concentration camps minority groups should not be involved in any active combat zone anywhere in fact they should not even be allowed to hold government so and i'm not finished and so you should stop talking

and so

with that in mind in knowing the when you guys talked about all these war crimes and everything that was so terrible yeah i think it's weird o passiffect one of the people involved currently in fighting ukrainians a the same people shove people in concentration yeat chinya

also yes yes that you are fine down playing your guys nazis you admit i guess they are nazis buty you know have your guy side w'll downplay your own nazis and up play the other side's nazis because you're nazis again or inconvenient it's inconvenient that and ill instead of feel like there's no nazis on our right but these nazis are fighting i don't s the fuk the buk up goed you i sd go

you'reotight it's my fucking turn it's my fucking turn it's one last it's my fight you don't stalk too much it's my fuckt turn make clean me wipe the fucking floor with this guy second

all right i do want to give it a brief chance and then sti i know you have a point a couple of points you want to make so in front i want to give you yeah let's go so the first thing is very clear dylan i know that you're in favor of a nazi pan european supremacist

but l g bt friendly

ideology i already know that ok

but the fact is

i agree it's probably true that there's a homophobia in chechnya they're very much more in favor of more traditional values that's their business as far as concentration camps are concerned i've seen no fucking evidence for that throwing them in concentration camps but even if i were to grant you that that was true that still doesn't make them fucking nazis who want to exterminate whole peoples because of their fucking nationality or their race or their ethnic origins you seem to think

think that's not as bad or that's some kind of equivalent

right but i don't think that's a fucking equivalent i don't think having a conservative country which i don't agree with m persecuting sexual minorities i just don't think that's on the same fucking level as being a goddamned fucking nazi you seem to not fucking care about that distinction now you're saying that i'm down playing the nazis on the russian side because they're not convenient never mind the fucking fact

that in terms of the objective significance they have compared to the fucking as all battalion on ukrainian side they are nowhere near as fucking relevant they're not significantnes marginal rarginalti objtively marginal there obtily marginal

i thought it i did send something to it did seem like your voll jack set up oh yeah twenty seconds ago it did seem like

yet because you're making everybody louder than me

no no i promise im that ight i again know how to do thatah i mean hes not my saturday that a people in my own satdy in ford i can give you twenty seconds terms wrapping up anywy and i've got to take it over to still dill it dylan is making the claim

that i'm in that it's just inconvenient for me

rather than the actual reality

being the fact

that the russian nationalists

and the russian neo nazis

are completely marginal in the dawn bass

whereas the az of battalion are not

you mentioned something also about lukashenko's out of cont cont

comments that were taken out of context

lukashenko is an anti fascist one hundred percent anti nazi

one hundred percent anti hitler we can actually get into the nitty gritty of what proves and backs that up to you took some statements made out even is waiting stevens been waiting over a while to respond i was so just to reiterate again the as a battalion is not making up the brunt of the fighting forces and yet you this is they were to beeve is a great to respond this is a this is a small battalion of like less than three thousand fighters the idea that these people are making it the majority of ukraine's forces is just not true and even o

the as of time only minority es that are near nazis or even even even of the as of time a minorities are nazis there are problems there for sure but this this claim that there is a broader nazi problem in ukraine

i mean at this point maybe there is if we're defining nazis as people that are pro l g b t and pro semitism i don't know what kind of nazis these are or what makes them nazis aside from early you said they kill people youce is it is a is everybody's i don't like

hitler wasn't going for like pro european supremacy y ok

i did you really just say he wasn't going for european supremacy in his last fucking speech he talked about how europe will be triumphant against the hordes coming from central asia you know you're going tom fucker you're europe who europe who

every member of europe every state that in supremacis he was a western european supremacist he considered western youuropean wy i want to i and everyone else to be subhuman we do that you you would you characterize the nazism of germany as having a large anti semitic compponent and having a large ethnic component where that ethnicity is not defined as a european

it erion is literally western european for the nazis that's literally what it is

ok

i would ok beuuse you a little bit and you never fuk and defend what you just saidre fucking wrong let's have jackson

go ahead

i i would like to just say one thing really quick and then a in a broader point so

h destiny seems to be just hyper focusing on the a battalion which yes is you know making up the brunt of the violent you know

aggression against the people of the net skin thelahns which keep in mind that war eighty one percent of

these civilian deaths that have taken place there in the past three years

it took place on the side of the nett skin lahnsk

but as i mentioned you know the people who literally led this coup are the ultra nationalist right wingers

many of whom but not all are anti semites and encompass this neo nazi you know ideology you seem to be leaving that out and you know i can guess what the motive why

why to to get to a to get to the broader point here destiny a few minutes ago

you said that

it's not ok

four and i'm paraphrasing so if you want to rephrase this after the fact go for

it's not ok for

the troops to come into a

what you recognize as a sovereign country

and you know forcibly bring about

a change of power i think

that's you know we can both agree right

so why is it

that's

you think that it's ok i guess for these

far right paramilitary groups

that encompass this neo nazi ideology

to to hijack the mad on protests

massacre people on february twentieth when the protests were actually dying down and people were going home

and cause all of this violence to spiral out of control and then

when negotiations are going on between some of these neo nazis

and the yanukovch government to try and bring about pre term elections to restore some order to the ukrainian government with yanukovich

on

the neo nazi factions again like andre pubi who was the leader the commandant of the euro mad on protests

he ordered upon his paramilitary individuals

to continue blockading to continue you know holding their ground so to speak

and holding their ground throughout the entirety of this protest meant raining down hell fire upon both

protesters and police to incite more violence

and there's been countless made on leaders and activists

who provided testimony that they were the snipers it was not members of the ukrainian police who were doing was

sore does he

wait so do you not believe that yenakobich ordered his special military people to fire on protesters you think that's just completely and totally

bullshit

oh one of one percent there's no evidence and in fact the ukraine's ministry of internal affairs literally says as muchh do you why do you say there is no evidence of that

because the ukrainian investigation into this the special investigation into this they wouldn't have bys at all

did not me they wouldn't be bias against people who were involved the have no reason to be biased in the way they had to make charges because yet yeakovch wasn't even given guarantees that he would be charged why he fled to russia

unlike the unlike the prior prime minister that was able to have a transfer of power because he was guaranteed he wouldn't charge an a coverage wasn't given any such so garant you that's why he left the country eo so why i'm right

not really also earlier you said you kep citing the fact that you you you keep citing the fact that you keep saying i barely talk this guy's like iver responted to have what is s guy said i there's no evidence come right back you see

so you said you know there's there why do i think that there's no evidence for this or whatever so the ukrainian investigation

they didn't find any

and in fact again there's been several made on leaders and activists who provided testimonies while fur fourteen self admitted members of the made on sniper units admitted in media interviews

to the mad on massacre

to sniping police and protesters

several former members of the georgian military testified that they and other groups made on snipers in hotel ukraina where these bullets were coming from

and the investigation actually proved that bullets were coming from here they just never actually

went to the extent of saying who is in the hotel

well i want to tak it over to stephen i did just because i did give you a chance to answer the question itsor jump back so there's a lot of evidence so if stephen wants the full answer you know he should be willing to get the full answer

there's like twenty different things i have to respond to so

who's finding goalposts i'm not changing you're the one that's adding a new goalpost at the end of every single sentence you've said you literally said so right i can i can't respond i can't respond ok hod on wait let's ok are we doing this right now is this we need to do to get a conversation got

um okay

so who do you who do you side with whose ruling what organization what government's ruling do you side with that said that that police did not fire upon protesters during the their youarmn

what

what what side do i side with

now whose investigation are you citing whose whose details whose findings not a one off media interview that was alsod or noting i'm referring to the testimonies given by

the snipers themselves testimony to who why would you only agree why would you only look at some testimony why would you look at the overall ruling of the ukrainian interior ministry

because the ukrainian investigation did not find that they did not place fal on either side according to the testimonies themselves they admit why don't you look at the hes not sees he said why di you look at the cop ministry to find every reason of fding lies the post coup ministry did not they did not place blame ca place blame who say blame they want you look at the pos coup ministry

uking idiot do they charg what a fucking liars

you don't know it was there i don't think it was their role to charge anybody ina coos already fled the country

it was their role to place charges they didn't place charge find evidence that

in fact

the the reason why why can't you why can't you give me an answer for this there were testimonies

there were testimonies

that

the ma maydn you know prot or the maydn organizers

were the snipers

who shot at police and protesters

we have forensic examinations as well by government ballistic experts which to determine that

about a dozen cases

ah that the protesters were shot from madon controlled structures including the hotel

a forensic ballistic examination

found that the bullets killed protesters did not match bullet samples from the police i mean i could go on and on why are you why are you making assumptions without looking at the evidence itself

because i would i feel like i would rather rely on the overall rulings or findings of the entire committee rather than just trying to go off of some of the testimony that you might have found given by some of the officers that may y not have been inv i could go on more but you have to understand that this committee at the end of the day is being controlled by the coup government

who actually carried out

this operation

but earlier you had no problems going by information that comes from the russian state department about stuff going on in ukraine

as i ask the nazistims were guilt this ask the nazi magicn look at this investigation fairly and honestly

and you made the accusation that it was police from the ukrainian you know security services that fired down now you're getting caught in a little you know a little problem here so you're trying to deflect back to earlier discussions why did you make that claim without evidence

why did a a kobach flee the country was when he wasn't given a guarantee that he'd be prosecuted as he was go thu government thgh i do i'm fding why do you someump shit up the subjects a coll government that was ley the guy that he was going to make his side minister anyway

destiny i do't want to i just want to say one last thing on this point really clearly you're refusing to acknowledge the

a reality of the situation

most people consider

what took place on february twentieth when forty nine individuals were killed

as the most

controversial hours in any european conflict

since the end of the cold war it was the precipice

for this coup it was what launched all of this conflict

into action so to speak

so the fact that it was a false flag attack

led by the coup protesters themselves the militia organizers themselves

to try and get western backing and to try and incite more chaos in the streets when the protests were dying down

is a very very important note

when you look at the broader context of all of this and the fact that after the coup that took place because of this

a that is what sparks the increased aggression

in the dombass and that is what also sparks the increased aggression against

protesters in odessa who were fighting back against the coup government

there you have no evidence to support any of that that there was western backing to any of these people that any of this was a false flag everything you're going off of is complete conjecture the testimony of one or two i've got testimony in the united states a big foot and youppose abducting people the testimonies of one or two people doesn't prove any of the claims you're making

let's just actually go to u s involvement in this because i have a

lot of quotes from actual diplomats themselves who admitted that they were involved in providing funding

a direct funding to the made on coup organizers

so first of all we have victoria newland and jeffrey p o who are two u s diplomats i just let him fuck over dos yal'se destroying destiny admitting he's destroying m hand picking the coup governments they sen that converse where

you want to send you the link to it

no because i've already read the entire conversation they don'tman conversation s they never said anything about hand picking the new government it would even re really yes really give me the quot where they say do you want to give me the quot where they say that yeah read it

ok

we have a leaked phone call here they said fuck the e u

referencing to the fact that the u was not being aggressive enough during this whole situation

and then we said we have a victoria neuland here say

i

yachts referring to yachts and you

is the guy who's got the economic experience she said

referring to opposition leader arseni yachts and yk who backed the devastating neoliberal policies

that were demanded by the west

so they were discussing whether or not yachts and you was going to be an effective leader in the new government and they were saying well maybe this person should be directly outside of the new government with the yachts and you can and destiny guess who ended up becoming the on real quick becaus you keep pivoting as and a commentsary none of this shows led up a leader as you said yats and you was already the opposition leader

where is this idea that they picked and became the prime minister

for after

at what you know

ya's a neke

yeah

look at who was already the opposition know was already the opposition leader he aready had three hundred and seventyllars plus votes in the in the parliament what do you mean andre pureb was the my don cou leader he was the real oo it's where is the asd that was hand i could have go w because he didn't have the backing in parliament share parliament no no no w what do you have not welcome the w no you're to pivoting where is the evidence that this guy was

handpicked by the united states that he was pushed by the it a do a conversation about this guy saying he would be good when he's already the opposition leader is not evidence of him being and picked by the west

oh that's that's not a sign that you sation that they're just sak is good yeah they're going back and forth dis notussing hapential yeah you have no evidence this is everything you do

just destiny or hour that no i way way way way way way way but there's evidence in a phone call of two diplomats saying man this leader in this country would be so awesome and yeah that other one sucks you think that een m to it just so happened deay that she admitted that the u

stoked this coup with five billion dollars in previous years to lead these regime change operations wy where did she admit read that quote read that quoteh she admit that

ok i will you'e second here

why we all sit in silence whle he reads and wait for it i want to hear that quote where she says the united states sent five billion dollars in aid to stope this coup

let me pull it out and if you pulls it up will you admit you're wrong

yow if he has that quote i'd be interested in hearing that

we don't have to be silent i'm sorry don't go ahead

you well so i will reactly where the five million dollars went

i would be interested in that too

in the meantim folks our guests are linked to the description if you haven't

already clicked on there you can hear more from them

also i would like to say

that there' is tons of evidence

of the chechen government putting gazeing concentration camp

from multiple news outlets well that's not that's not what we're debating today the only one we but the thing only thing you have to acknowledge it some just no yeah yeah yeah yeah well we can debate that another time but for now what we're saying is that that is not the same as notazsm

ok but is that of concern do you think

if i was chechen i would be opposed to it but i don't live in es it's not by businults do you think that fighters who put gay people in concentration camps should be active in combat you cannot see you cannot you cannot make the racist claim that all chech and sweet no wait no i'm not saying all chech and soldiers but yet

well there are officials

who were involved in that

fighting in ukraine right now which ones

you know the one that you like dylan you lie ar you yes i i have it li

ight right yeah you're saying he's alive that is hight there's literally it well he was ok i'm saying ok

that guy let's say he's alive that makes your argument worse

that guy was involved in putting homosexuals in concentration gaps

ok i haven't seen any evidence for that

there's tons of evidence for w he some i disput it i you have that quote jackson i don't want you to

feel left out

yes so victoria newland u s assistant secretary of state estimated in two thousand and thirteen that the usa had quote

invested more than five billion in on ninered ninety one to help ukraine achieve the future it deserves or sorry nineteen six no no no no since one thousand nine hundrede one since nine so since one nine hundred ninety one they've been investing money to have the coup in twenty fourteen do you have think that ukraine a it is' w w wy in the contays of that what did yeah wait wait what was the quote again you say one more time

yeah let's see the quote again

since

invested the usa itd invested more than five billion dollars since one nine hundred ninet one

to help achiet to help ukraine achieve the future it deserves what does that mean how does that mean that that they're achieving a cq that could mean hey worth giving the money sy go get wl and had leaked audio recordings hand but that not that you look the hater we also that also also we saw that he didn't

the national endowment for democracies president

i said this about u s support he said just two months before

ah the maid on

protests broke out

he wrotes that quote

the opportunities are considerable

and there are important ways washington could help

and this was in reference

to the this was in reference to the coup this was the president of the ha moer is there's nothing specific it's all ague it's nothing specific hes aays a question where dom money dollars go i what going to go yeah we see who ship the money will start to ship the goal it's not the goal this is where ightre in the middle of the feole like the thing is that you're shipting the fucking gos you read you can s now you ship to go post where the specific thing and the thing is

the five billion dollars did not go

anywhere near

u eight or anything the five billion dollars wre go to go there so i you and i you you give no i'm asking i you jack to jackson individ you said the five billion dollars raany no jackson where you goting five aion dollar gentlemen areight we i think said here we got to wain acc s you can you can pretty easily logically infer that the fucking money wll

to the forces to be sure that people

can hear each of you make your point so

oh

just going in order will go off a bunk you which it

d

d h j so ok dylan and then and then jackson

so jackson you talked about the five billion dollars

we're saying it did not go towards a coup

i don't see no evidence of this this is something putin repeated in the speech which is a lie

so i'm asking you since you referenc the five billion dollars

and you have yet to show any evidence that anybody was hand picked

where did it go

where dies this five billion dollars go for this cue

so dylan i know you're a fucking dumb ass and you can put two and two together here

there is logically nowhere else the five billion dollars could have gone

so you don't know

you don't it couldn't we speak it's go gone anywhere else five billion dollars lerom ninety n way wait it's go you know the history of ukrainian american relations just thousand nine hundred four to twenty four do it's you really thank f ot five billion dollars going go on and dot i think has something

you don't think

y accdently give you a chance so you're not left out

and let him leave like a little bit or you might be on mute jackson

ilet mean

let me on you i think i put you on there earlier ok

aight

can you guys hear me

yup yeap

um

the financial times you're right y sure i don't have the exact bank wire transfers and shit you're right i'm just completely making all this stuff up

financial times though reported that

groups like new citizen receive this funding

and they said that they reported that

this money played a big role in getting the protests up and running

referring to the mayd on protests

a this was led of course by

andre perubi who is a notorious neo nazi

within ukraine that you know called upon the firing of protesters and police

in the protest

there was there was one other point you made it's slipping my mind right now but the

yeah i mean that that

sure we don't have the exact bank wire transfers but you can't you can't entertain the fact that

this all happened five billion dollars here we have these phone recordings

we have all of this going on we have

you know chris murphy john mccain victory jeffrey p going out on the streets of may daw passing out cooking to the protest we're doing you st a let memy god dude it's just mion one abs were more second every oth time i get interrupt or you interrupt so

let me finish

you cannot entertain

or you have to entertain the fact rather

that

the fact that

the funding began in one tho nine hundred ninety one

one year directly after the efforts

ah upon nato aliined countries

to bring ukraine into nato

that that lines up perfectly with what the overarching mission at play here is

lan to get forces within ukraine deposed from government that's yanukovych

and to get pro nato individuals in government to join nato

got to move over ok so i gota i got to respond to that because the thing is

the five is also one year after the collapse of the soviet union and ukraine went into economic ruin

and the five billion dollars is something putin stated as well

that's referencing to the entirety of u s aid to ukraine

from that date

to twenty fourteen so you're telling me that the entirety of uus aid ukraine

was made up of just going to quoe stup when you have no evidence

no financial documents no transactions no direct evidence of any sort then any of that went towards resources sorts of kill it is reference to a

don't we get a nam notly you we m sitre a little bit you weren't here we don't think that it so where did it go where did it go and what did the coup but this group do that did the revolution what go helped organize the protests it was a group of the five so that's five bmillion dollars with the what what the so i'm saying that financial times reported again w right i don't have the exact wire transfers i'm not in these people's bank accounts

i'm just saying it's a little bit suspicious

that we have it's we have the shoy in newland saying that we have five billion going to ukraine

since one thousand nine hundred one victoria newlan's office happens to be the same office in which the national endowment for democracy is located they share an office in ukraine

we have financial times reporting that new citizen

received some of this money sure probably definitely not all five billion dollars of it

and it just so happens that these protests which were western backed

um and we know according to this phone call they were at least sympathetic to theh you know leader yats and yok who became the prime minister

directly after the protest

this stuff all lines up and it just well i go i got got re i got a i gott i got a respond ok so so we have have we haven't established we haven't established a single f we haven't we literally haven't established we have established we haven't tabs a single bactallyestablished so many ok so all we've seen have the fact right all we've seen is that since it comes from new

ninety two after the dissolution of the soviet union the united states and ukraine signed a bilateral deal with the united states with aid to ukraine to help them for a variety of things they identified three strategic objectives it was to create a broad based market economy to help build a participatory democratic political system and assist in social sector reforms to ease the difficulties of transition that's where the money went towards the government themselves the governments themselves

were the ones that were organizing and receiving the aid the idea that the're trying to pretend that this five billion dollars that's been allocated since oneousand nine hundred and ninety two somehow went through black market channels if it did then we wouldn't be talking about the five billion dollars that the united states sai that it sent this would be black money or dark money that's going through other channels that you would have any idea about or rather it would have been established by like a wikileaks leak or something like that the idea that official u s aid that was agreed upon by the ukraine

government that it was going to end up in ukrainian government and then somehow the leaders in the ukrainian government decided to allow that aid that they as a government agreed to accept be funneld to groups that would eventually form a coup is ridiculous a lot of this aid was far reaching it wouldn't surprise me if you could identify one or two groups that were involved in protests or coups that receive the say yenaico which probably had a lot of personal friends and probably people the government receive that aid as well the idea that that aid was used to back some

sort of coup because you have a recording with two u s diplomats talking about a preference in leadership and a relatively ottle country i don't understand why you think you can link these two things together i can tell you right now that the united states sen so much aid all across the world i could probably find aid going to every single talking country that's ever had a revolution that's ever had a coup that's ever had any any sort of turmoil and find two u s diplomats talking expressing

expressing it i finish i got to find out i thought youre going ight and she i have to i got to finish a singles i have to finish a single sting i have to finish a single statement so finally so we have we have so so t to be clear so the evidence we have is that since oneousan nine hundred ninety two the united states has sent five billion dollars to the ukrainian government not to secret groups not to pro

test groups not the future coupers that the ukrainian government itself

oked this bilateral agreement with humanitarian ad and the only evidence that we have and the only evidence and that the only let me finish the only evidence we have youy this went to und to coup is to us i me talking about you talking on the phone expressing a preference for some leadership or failure of the e u to act on something that's it go n let me go now

ok because this is actually really fucking so

so first of all there's like many prongs to the fucking stupidity di you just laid on my fucking table

now the first thing is that

you actually contradicted your little friend dylan here because dylan the fucking liar just sat here and said a liar five billion dollars was an economic aid to ukraine n what fucking wasn't

becausin nwland herself

who publicly denies

of funding the md on coup in the same sentence she utters denying it said

that the five billion since nineteen ninety one

was there to promote democracy and we know what that fucking means it means promoting ngos

civil society groups

and forces within the unkrainian government that are aligned with the uus

now you're trying to make this alex it's absurd that they would fund the ukrainian government that's later going to be overthrown

the thing is the whole of the ukrainian government wasn't overthrown

there elements within the ukrainian government that were against the president at that time the coup

was actually against the president

not the entire ukrainian state itself

and even during the presidency of yanukovych

before the two for twenty fourteen my don

there was still a division of spheres of influence within the ukrainian government

between the americans and the europeans on one hand

and the russians it was not a russian puppet government by any stretch of the fucking imagination

it was still justice divided

and that's five billion that was given to to the ukrainians since one thusd nine hundred one

was going toward the forces

that's altimately would culminate in the my don

now jackson literally gave you a concrete fucking example i coln give another two o h got a lot o see what's ons from this five billion

that's participated that was pivotal for the helped organize protests for the fuck in my don

so the whole point let's is that this five billion for regime change in democracy exporting

that the us was giving the ukrainian government

which i reiterate bll the fucking a liar claimed was economic aid when it was not it real litical influence and i get a commitment on it can to give me a commitment that none of this money went to econ i don't know you're sifting the goalpost wll you knowthing there some of it some of it may have had an egonomic component to it although it was primarily to promote got amons the sence you may not seen what i know irimarily economic

one that's not that's not a good way ok that's not even tru true so

yeah number one one point one billion of it went to economic growth

two point four billion went to things like

military assistance border security human trafficking issues international narcotics aboutment law enforcement inrtionk the majority of it

that the majority of that is not promoting democracy would actually be labeled under promoting peace and security when you talk about things like human trafficking which is a lid that you sell me finis let me finish i'm just telling you the exact money amounts where it's going and you're rejecting it i'm telling you exact money

and the thing is about that human trafficking it's

after the collapse of the soviet union there was a lot of issues when it comes to children being sold into sexual slavery there's a lot of issues is involved with

ok w he can't just keep screaming into his microphone jacked up as loud at possible wt you want to cry about a destin i'm trying ok so this ok so back to the issue this is why a lot of the mouney went to ukraine

it went to things to deal with things like human trafficking it went there to deal with economic aid after the economic collapse post soviet union

all some of it of course some of it went to

eight hundred million of it went to governing just governing justly and democratically

and four hundred million went to investing in people we can get into specifics if you want to break that down but there is no evidence in the five billion of it of the five billion dollars any of this going into

black sites or anything of this sort the majority of this money didn't even have to do with democracy a

we got to go into qun a shortly but i know that jackson i think you want to say something

so yeah i would like to say something so we also have

the fact that at the start of the made on protests the three new t v shows in ukraine that news t v shows that were covering the protests and working with opposition

were a

fromdsky dot tv

and there was there was two other ones and

let me see if i can find these here

but while i find these i also want to note

that these three t v stations received funding from the dutch and u s embassies

as well as the renaissance foundation which was funded by george soros

the other two were spill no dout tv and

at the peco t v i don't know how to pronounce that

in george s soros during the coup the made on coup himself

admitted quote

i set up a foundation in ukraw in ukraine before ukraine became independent of russia

and the foundation has been functioning ever since it play ever since and it played an important part

in the maidon events right now

and then the third point because again you've alleged that i can't provide evidence for this i've also provided the new citizen organization which was involved in the coup

we also have yevin karis who is the leader of ukraine's neo nazi terror gang c fourteen

which again helped lead the coup he was the guy who said that

if it were not for the two per cent of neoazis that were active within the maidan protests

it would have been ninety percent less effective and successful

he said quote

we are now being given money so much weapons not because as some say the west is helping us not because they want the best for us

but because we perform the tasks by the west

because we are the only ones who are ready to do and we have wait sorry because we're the only ones who are ready to do them

go because we have fun we have fun killing and we have fun fighting

and they like wow

let's see what's going to happen that's what letre can i can i do can i do think as we're going to q and i s let's actually say if yli allow me

let's actually grant all of this

let's say that there was a coqup

a let's say that there was some revolution for some reason

future leadership is still maintaining a lot of popularity throughout most of you grant le's say that all of that happened ok but it was a coup it was legal all that shit

what right does that give russia to invade ukraine oh that's very simple we should have gone that for the start

so we talked about the balance of security architecture within europe

which ukraine was planning on upsetting with its plans to fucking join nato but that alone you're right doesn't justify an invasion which is why russia

kept trying to negotiate with its

western partners

for some eight nine years about this issue leading to fucking nowhere to ward to the point where they finally

tried to negotiate with ukraine also aout the issue of the dawn bass to settle a peace and ukraine signed a minsk agreement to have a ceasefire in the dawn bass as early as recent as january of two thousand and twenty two ukraine made it very clear that it had no intention to implement

the the minsk agreement which said that they would lead to the destruction of our country and we had to sign it at gunpoint

by russia

now finally

ukraine's continued attacks against the people of the dawn bast there what amounts to basically a genocide

the constant shelling of civilian infrastructure and the daily terrorism experience

by the people of the dodn bass by ukraine's armed forces in the azov battalion

russia decided to step in finally and recognize the republics

and when those republics became sovereign in russia's eyes and russia did this by the way to stop and we just can we did a simply instead of or we're going to when those when those republics continued to be shelled in attack after they were recognized asoting of histor yeah he does sig he can't answer yeah eah yeah yah this is the fking answer thing in russia's russia is justified russia is justified for no other reason than to protect and guarantee its own security as a country

as well as to pret my ute yes you know m gojns as well as protect the people of the dawn battle my question is why does the security of russia supersede the security of the ukrainian people when you open up this is a quaru the security of one country

or certainly the the security of the ukrainian people was never under threats by russia it's

it's nato

who is tipping its balance in the op how was the security of russia under threat by nato

how is the security of russia under threat i know sure nato has a history of disrespecting the sovereignty of other countries and invading other countries like russia does right now with ukraine this is a fucking self fulfilling prophecy russia's doing what it's doing in ukraine to prevent nato aggression against russia

russia has no plan on forcing it a whit why can't ukraine have anurity sports it's whym or its values nato does it's that what it russia at the soviet union absolutly has at pass russia is absolutely in o to us you're not the soviet union and second of all the soviet union did not fucking exported system by military force no it did it absolutely it absolutely example of that

all three of the baltics at the very lest baltics were not taken by the soviet union to expand its system but because it was a form of revanchism for the former territories of the russian empire the countries were invaded how their parliament dispposed of and then took votes and held referendums to join the soviet union sounds similar like crimea

rusia this san is a huge history of don't think aboutend of ninety six percent of yet notcretly how you get wit it i can't fraise my question i have to say that it is this one about my question you know i have can not say that do i let me is this point about seconds first of all that decision a first i

russian military came they didn't normally make des and waiting for a long time they were they declared independence before the russian invasion so what was really interesting about the crimeia thing is you keep bringing up the referendum

jackson can you tell me what were the options on the referendum oh the two choices they declared independence before the rus wait no wait no jackson could you answer that question declared independent i'm asking jackon about the i'm not know i s that's i didn't ask id what we to optionss the peop what were the options of the referend win the rush whatre the options of the referendum whaty you option were the two options answer my question

vote with it i op sre how you want to construe it nine know to answer my question to join w were they options it was legal what option crimean government not answering my question you wereli beause they aady you may s my questions ear want to hold on allr dont a i'm not going to answer my question i youre rushian try to get ony the reason reason that i want to re it's my time i go to do i not answered my for a second ok so i do want to give

i want to go back to dylan

we'll give m a chance

and then we'll give you a chance to answer the question jackson in s you ok me a break he

so the reason why jackson isn't answering my question

is because the two options neither of them was joining back with ukraine

so because they not to that i shot up lea they caclaar inependence sodependen seen like crimean tartars

and others boycott

the reason was the merchants game

the reason why they aready declared independence they had already declared independence before the russians came i can't i can't do it man you can't do a fucking liar they declared independence before the russians came they overwhelmingly rejected the c governmentmsel all right

well let's go to a

do i didn't i didn't i never got to finish

why

ook

i didn't even get to say i line about

cause they had already declared independence before the russians came

ok let me tell my evil western independence was the status qo for the balking referendum do't not you being part of the ukrainian government neither of the options on the referendum was to join ukraine

it was a join you you joined russia russia formally or b

be an independent state

heavily influenced by the russian governor is that what is a wll do is that's not what it is that's not the exact word it was a lot names let me get this point i'll stop interrupting one point one ex i can't i can't i can't out of the sniper names i gt the maate i i can' writ i can't t

i canry ok hold on let's what was the question that you had doing that we do i don't even have a question anymore i'm just trying to say something and they won't let me get what i want to point fiften so know i don't i don't wed fifteen seconds so is that to answer feling he had waited a long time

do give you a quick pic response and we' going to go jackson did not know what the two options on the referendum was that's why i wouldn't answer my question and or it was inconvenient to him but neither of the options was whether you crimea could join back

with

with with ukraine and the problem is that i don't care has pleas the love of you're going to the q and

wait you jince let me put this last point and i've been trying to get let me get one last point in ten seconds just give me ten seconds ten seconds give me ten seconds i just find a way to fit int one of these questions

this one coming in from ozi and talks

putin destroyed russia and there is no way back from them without putin stepping down and russia apologizing

european union

european union should join nato

putin will go down in history as an example of one of the worst global leaders

ever

save the kids

one edition russia yesll pay reparation yea yeah yeah yeah i'll answer that question very easily so crimea had already declared its formal independen question how was sut the fuck uppy little bitch crimea had already declared crimea had already declared crimea had already declared

formal independence

ore the referendum

cod they do that under the ukrainian constitution

they didn't need to because it was overthrown in the ukrainian president was overthrown in an illegal creu so the constitution is in the air and it's out of the fucking window you fucking dumb ass the constitution matters

for the but not there's n c that's that suspend legality not when there's n clue that suspend why do you keepkingting me but youud i ramble on let him talk for ten minutes but you keep meeting me why do you fok and let bill and talk you didn't meet hm once go viol once let me fuk you respond to it and i prostitution is throwing into the airing a legal c

you got to like i would like you it is time is timetable his timetable isn't even accurate the declaration of independence for crimea took place after iten after acting like a coup doesn't violate the sovereignty have a given to wait real quick just becausek screaming us

the declaration of independence from crimea happened after the russian invasion

that know the fact that he's trying to say that happened prior to that isn't even true no it did' russia trure on the ground in february in late february russia moreing to crimea on morees or they were p m with the b the declaration of independence was on march sixteenth

do that mean pushing into crimea go ahead

as it russian troops rolled through the area with little resistance and took over the entire puking but its i wonder why there was little resistance because they had already expressed and declared their intention to be fucking independent

even if they had sections of your country cannot just vote themselves to join another country that has military bases in that partsula aggressively positioned to go in to bet ts not hown at on point right wen to that one point

can we do that

this one coming in from can fight says

just got i never got to respond to jus question about sovereignty i want to answer it super short in pithy

ok so jackson asked me if a cou violates a nation sovereignty it depends on who actually does the if the people of said nation overthrow the government i believe they're allowed to do that

and so that's what they did in that instance

because the anako is morally corrupt

and worked against the entrance of the people side they go

there was no vote for the fo

can fight how work the majority the majority of people election the had an election there wasn't even a majority that wanted to join the e u not even at the time a majority we need another mute here on the mosque man literally little bit says go nm thatst and you want to shut the fk up destiny because you do have to get the next short live to look a fucking child soo that's it

just have a long p so it looks like sid from ice age is the body of said from ice age

here's the body of sid from ice age

it repeated a third tixt one thank you very muchre this asuredro fights has just got posterity

russia just attacked

the largest nuclear power plant in europe

a violation of the geneva convention also russia has

a huge nazi problem

in fron the seas limon of

literally made nozz bols

what the fuck with the fock taltion we t to answer that question wes readins bys asking that question like the answer your question in the bat switch and you're drowning everybody else out

i like your audio is just off the chart

i'll give you a chance to respond in front jackson but it's yeat why is it why is it that you know i ca i feel like we should be condemning you know

crimes against humanity and war crimes on both sides of this

that's why i support the international criminal court investigation into war crimes that have taken place here since two thousand and thirteen which the media seems to be leaving out

of the announcement of this i c c investigation and the preliminary

the examination into war crimes and crimes against humanity here

but the thing is if you're going to talk about war crimes and crimes against humanity and civilian casualties taking place right now in ukraine

then you better be talking about them taking place in donetsk and lahnsks still to day and the ones that have taken place there overwhelmingly

in this in this conflict that has been waged asymmetrically by ukraine by the a b talion in particular in eastern ukraine

since twenty fourteen

this people seem to leave that out

wait we all agree that that would be a good idea then i think that russia should pull its troops and respect ukraine's sovereignty

and then after they do that we can have an independent investigation to see if they're n because i what actually tenty fith of february protesters block the crimean parliament start and express their will to be independent so that wasre the russian topic anymores you ramply a preliminary examination led by the international criminal court

who launched the first war crimes and crimes against humanity here in the conflict

i ok can i want to actually djust you thought that was a question for destiny but i wanted to tellly made i'm trying to i was a tradition for destiny jackson i want to agree with you that's me who did it can i know ok i want togre with you then ok

destiny who did it

do you even know do you even know what the first war crimes

or crimes against humanity committed here were

we should let independentce

organizations go up and investigate even we should let that nothing that you're saying i just bs the russian s so easy it's so easyt this it's so easy whatever fucking my so it's so it ever so i go quote random u s diplomats you saw on an r t post about how that judge that proves i was like western involvement an international criminal court investigation into war crimes which you claim to care about butly what is what

whates every single international court say about it what is every sing what does every single international court say about russia's annexation of crimea

what does i let answering that's a great quict stepen a greating stepen who recognizes the russian annexation of crimea that's a great question destiny because the international criminal courts

has said

that the crimes against humanity and war he doesn't as call doesn't have an answer f ita srain that's a great because you pivoted dos a of there it is he said he was quoting a random journalist there and then he quoted the international court and you fuck let scak i've been attempted to do something dastardly and that's actually agree with jackson for a second

and um i actually do agree that there have been a lot of war crimes actually committed in do donsk in hansk and one of the actually the biggest issues i'd point to specifically has to do with water security

i believe it was unicef that wrote a report about water security issues and there caused by the war

it's just i don't believe

the best way to deal with human rights abuses on either side is to expand the conflict because now electricity water security all these resources are now going to be even harder to come by and not only b nest has

but in the rest of ukraine as well we've already heard about like reports of a pl and

i'm trying to agree with jackson and we already heard about reports in maripole and other locations about critical civilian infrastructure being undermined it's yes thats thing aot you we so do and i have a question back n i second sorry wen i have a quesion reord for you

i do have so many questions you thought i agree with you i agree with you from so why on me double why that james you'm doing this james met ho many questions from the chat

plenty double five a how long does a group of people need to live in a land in order to have a claim to it

people say that the russians in ukraine were imported

there two hundred years ago

but we can say the same for any group of people going back enough

h destiny who took mariopol in twenty fifteen

your mum

it was the az all battalion fucking idiot just because they're not the majority they were involved in one military oeration city of the wh city you think the wh city i hadme and you're saying the marginal i can't hear you jackson it's possible

its be coming in

jackson do you have something regot

yah know i agree with what dylan said i you know i condemn war crimes crimes against humanity on both sides yeah

and i think they should be investigated people should be held accountable

we have to recognize though who started this and you made a good point about that

the thing is though do you not give any credit to vladimir putin for trying to

get everyone to adhere to the minxk accords for years and years and years that would have brought into this brutality nobody aared to it it was violated on both sides continuously viol it didn't get signed the first and express an unwillingness to say bo literally said they had no intention to implement it despite signing it

it's

okay this is going me from thanks for your question

pivot cyrois question for in bred and inkel

if this

unjustified invasion was done by russia to protect the people in the

don its

and love hence

regions

why does bellirus have it details

for invasion plans for moldova

i

well based on what evidence where show me the evidence

well that's actually from bellarus lukashenko he showed a map on screen during a speech i think two days ago where that showed invasion plans from trendistra specifically not moldova they could be contingency plans how do you know those are invasion plans

those could be contingency plans in case of the edvents change

maybe i have no clue

i mean so let's just say that seems to be that seems to be a development that we are either not aware of or don't have the intelligence to answer completely you know i'm not going to be like a

if

if

we test putin in putin turns out to be like a full blown raging sociopath and he continues on and does disgusting

uh things a at a grotesque level then i you know of course i'm not going to defend him or anything like that

but

what we have to understand is that

and i thought this is where the question was going

right now the it's not just about the net skin thelahnts

putin is asking for he's not even asking for zlinski to step down or his you know government to step down

he's just putin is just asking for demilitarization of ukraine which means removal of foreign weaponry

he's asking for no nato membership ever a guarantee of that

and he's also asking for yes the ending of the slaughtering of civilians in the netskin lahnsk so

those are what they're fighting not only it's a very restraint what else you asking for

he also made requests to the united states and the european union during negotiations before the invasion

that they ended nuclear guarantees for eastern europe

and also pull troops out of eastern europe as well that has nothing to do with the terms of a ceasefire and peace and there ng truth ok i was a wied to whatever yeah that's why i wt its w to go with conditions o he gave his alg knowledge but i want to i would know he's not going ever negotiating table asking for that right now do going i'p trying james that's that's for the americans european that's not a lens jackson saying is that going the negotiating table

go ahead dylan

okay so the the first thing i want to say is

they are actually zon ski and the russian government actually negotiating right now

i think they just actually negotiated thank goodness like a humanitarian corridor hopefully

um i don't know if that's going to be placed in places like kirasan and maripole i hope it is soon

i don't know when that's going to be implemented they are negotiating but that's ongoing to go shiation process

i thought the question was broader about all the demands made of putin's government up into this

but i did want to include that i also do want to say

that you said if he goes crazy i would just say

the attack on the nuclear facility tonight which caught it on fire

is something i would be extremely concerned about you don't know anythingor ill answer that i'll answer that so first of all i wasn't finished

ok ok let's let's

cut both of you off lewis a question for infred and heinkl

how exactly is the r t network not misinformation and propaganda if it is literally russia today

quoteuse they said because when whenever we ask people concrete instances government yet whenever we ask for concrete instances of misinformation of what we report from rt

a and in our recent reports we have get nothing nobody's ever able to come up with any actual instance in which they're lying

destiny fucking soyed out and raged when he saw me fucking cover our te because they were covering the humanitarian situation where fifty thousand had to be evacuated

from the dawn bass and he literally lost his shit in fucking he started sawing out and started crying a little bitch because this is misinformation he wasn't actually able to point out why it was misinformation or what lies are t was telling the next one keepse go coming

we can ask you a question about that did did russia ever pull troops from eastern ukraine in accordance with the first mins agreement that you guys said that they were a party to

what are you talking about

why why destiny why should they adhre to any of the minsk agreement if ukraine is already coming out on never never anyption implemented nos things to thin nobody ever adhre things thingre am signatories to the read most recent minsk agree the next question the signatories to the most recent ins agreement between i don't believe yet and gan

republics in ukraine russia wasn't even part of them second of all as far as the minsk agreement ukrainian government has never displayed a willingness to implement them

ok

turn that down theres a video evidence

have you brush ordered me do you know

no there isn't

actually cki morger there literally isn't

question for

you want to bet money on it right

ok they said if the annexation of crimea was justified would the annexation of texas and other territories justified

during the mexican

american war

the difference here

non of this is in our favor a the us and next

exces in even worse

they annexed the mexican territories in an even worse way texas

first declared its independence and then joined the u s in a similar way that crimea declared independence and then joined russia

w where there international bodies claiming what you could or could not annex at the point when the united states was annexing territory in the western u s what do you mean international bodies claiming what you can when we say something is allowed or not allowed you know because the we w says it's not ok is that what you're saying because the west says you can't do it when you're looking at things like the n you like the soviet i'm sorry russia's party to to these organizations as well what you mean

ok you can't you can't say like that the united states do something like illegal the n was not the all one hundred the u s is well when these international bodies n is not wens not the be all end all to the recognition of dey destiny did it here to international law when there was a coup against the democratically elected government before the crimea referendum

i don't know what international law would have justified a russian invasion can you fill in on that you know i actually i actually you don't have an answer for that i don't know you know let me finish here stephen he has got actually not surprised i'm actually not surprised that destiny didn't know the answer to that question because it

ain his debate partner earlier on claimed that there was a legal impeachment even though it didn't even meet the legal qualifications of the ukrainian constitution so i'm not very surprised

thatstiny would you you say that youre skinny fat would you say that bad guy was a little skinny so i just las i got caught a liar though if you call somebody a litle i just want to say

that

ok the get three quarters of the votes let mean let me

respond here

i want to say something this video evidence of you having very wide hips for a man for a so called man

the he's going to the bathroom

dylan

all right well

this one coming in from chris morelock says

dylan and destiny do you deny that four thousand ethnic russian civilians

eighty percent of civilian deaths

have been killed in the dunbass

i mean saying this wronight why do we keep using this jackson this is like the r t probably going to like you know the eighty three percent of civilian deaths have come from easin yea know the civil wars in eastern ukraine it's not like they're going to be western ukrainians killed a easter you know we said eighty percent were ethnic qrussians we said eighty percent were ethnic russians majority of some of these places russian that's why ukraine attacking a place where the majority are resisting them because right now there why they're attacking a place where the majority are resisting them and supported

russia commit genocide because they're being funded and s can commit genocide then right destiny genocide they're targeting and trying to rase the ethnicity yes they're trying to eliminate the russians and eas ukraine

jackson i promise to come right back to you i know that

all f

there would be jackon

i understand

he's barely got to talk to this is ridiculous

all right hold on i promise jackon

back to you

dylan i know that

said

wanted to address

someone call i want it i want to i wanted you

this is more important to me

i would say i'd rather i i'm a dirty life

but up secretary general

want to

attory general of the united nations

commed

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by

and they said that there's no ground

and the n is the be all end all for recognition of genocide

why repeat that

you're secretary general

the united

nation

made the said

that there is not

genocide

in the dawnbac

he's former prime minister of portugal

like a european conut

second all

i was genocide

talk about somebody did was your i didn't say that john a second a was let me finish because destiny mate de

made an accusation earlier he said

why do we

i

houting these re

propaganda lines that eighty one percent

well

civilians rather who are dying

ukraine conf

are russia

that are at

russi

whatever you

that's not what i

i said that eighty one

illion

are dying

rebel held territory and that's

not from our

that's what

united nations

said

so apparently

you now or can

beeen our

the united nations

not

i'm con

you just out

serious you are about this debate

yes and he only has narratives he doesn't have any mean potatoes

good

i'm sorry the leningred levercond just threw me off can you repat your question to me

destiny you want to start talking about body types you have the most grotesque looking disgusting discusting skinny fat fucking sid from ice age fucking

that's the mike quest

dely considera bra considerabra

falcking our s

why youkeeplling

why did you call it ur

propaganda when these are united nations

figures a and b

why did you say that

everyone here is ethnically russian when you're in the dodm bas when i said that these are people who are dying

rebel held territory

which is distinct

from the opposite

side of the gray zone

what was the first thing b it looks like sid from ice age you know red fucking man toities

he's got guyno

that

helys gono

ac it's disgusting the soviet show you over here is just destroying my ability to hear anything bo who is literally fucking bilt like fucking sit from ice ag just a long torso

who isn't even fucking taller than me he's talking about other people's bodies he' talking about other people's appearancea you literally look like an overgrown child with a beard

dylan and death

i couldn' even hear the russian right was screaming so much i could even fk a respond his question

was there a claim that the n has said that there is a ongoing genocide in dnbos

you flow this a the office you said it was our

propaganda that eighty one percent of the people died on rebel i didn't say that the claim itself is propaganda i'm just saying that repeating that like you said it was r t proble me talking let me i can tell you yes you're not talking points that points what i'm saying is what you said me to tell you what i said or you're going to say scream i cant's like you're going to be ver w to think there question is talking why we shouldn't be surprised to see the majority of people dying in a

russian at the majority area are going to be ethically russian that's not surprising

territory that's not what i said i said they're dying in rebel held territory the eighty one percent are not that they're all ethnically russian what it what is the percentage of ethnicallytin moscow unch quite that there are two warring factions there's a rebel held territory

and then there are the ukrainian military and volunteer militaries warring on the other side

what i'm saying and what the united nations is saying is that

eighty one point four percent of the civilians killed over the last three years

we don't have all the numbers but over the last three years

died in rebel held territory

ands bono doesn't understand is that people are going to defend their sovereignty they're going to defend their land just like the man defends his rfe and make sure his ife can't get right fuk by other men you know too much for me i just can't hear anything yeah yeaho doesn't understand that pople want to defend their land just like a man wants to defend his wife from not getting fucked by other men

dan cs does ha think we don't realize that whenever he is getting own

on okay never mind sorry about that yeah you're a beta ma and you think getting on this from a fucking thirty two year old starcraft player

who literally has nothing fucking gorowing for him in life yeah yeah a fucking thirty two year old grown man starcraft player with fucking ginoco mastia who is built like an eleven year old fucking child yelling literally built like an eleven year old child

hold on has come o on to that comment

this one coming in from urban says urban lockman says russia has the worst human trafficking problem of any country on earth

re haas and jackson pro child sex trafficking

uhh

are destiny and dylan burns pro late lowering the age of consent to sixteen because bess friend mr grow destiny has a pedophile community and he defend thefend the pedophile mr g with ard in fucking the platform russians but to watch the platform pedophiles with quote russian jeansd g g o

literal pedal fucking community of former fuckingchanadi nobody heard it it's impossible jackson do you

jackson do you believe

in chemical weapons designed to only target people with quote unquote russian genes

really

that's basic

that's go irrelevant and immaterial to the fucking debate here because even if it wasn't t do't think its that jackson never made that claim jackson never made that question of i think i think even desiny and dylan would would admit that i never said that in the debate and though they don't probayly watch my streams i can tell you i've never said that in my life no i do disavow when i said it the you disallow as fdy grandmothor not

disavowed me just isn't making the affirmative claim you fucking bit its you t a fucking bit fking like a fucking definition of s i can't even fuksef beause his rights get read by other men i'm sorry

he what know ho could i inst a thirty two year old cock who abandoned his child

so

how can i insult a thirty two year old c abandoned this child

go i'm sorry you're so weighted down this debate checks and i'm so i think that there are china and russia

a the united nations of brook both expressed theirur concerns over chemical chemical labs

in ukraine that get uus funding

and there's several of them but we don't really know what's going on there and i think it would be i don't think we can jump to conclusions as to what's happening there except for what russia and china have both said when they've expressed their concernsstinad destiny

appreciate your question atle clock

thirtyon let's it knowoss having jamess right click meeting him and haz a spam right click so it keep screaming

tencessity you can't ide the plane you can't tide the plane of knowing other men you can't tie the plane of knowing other men are

with your wife you can't hide that pain with your laughing we all know you're in pain we all know you're in pain because i yes we all know you all know you're in pain destiny

ok

this is a thank you it's right you call me this stargrap toper have you got like four hundred eighty m us smashing the fucking you can'ttin we know she's with other men we know she's with other men dostiny to get buck r a i ud you going to slow down

this one coming in from

cedar says why are what are the panelists thoughts onquote third

is this a

hope this isn't a trol

on third hole fear no that's ok never that destiny laugh through the laugh through the pain of knowing you're a thirty two year olduter way with that lagh area wa laugh laugh through the pain destiny go ahead laugh through the three holes it refers to the tri tripolar vacuum yeah yeah yeah destiny is the youunit you substance no potatoes you hide behind

left i can see the pain in your eyes botle i can see the pain in your eyes just like your child is in pain because his father abandoned m you child your child in pain see your kids thats you aband your own child is in pain but he's not laughing through it like you

you know who else doesn't have meat potatoes the russian soldiers ukraine right now man that's a lot of fodyeh that's fakes

oright thats th

ok sing s any't they show any proof coming in from any proof no come on

show any proof blling of that show the proof

says

stand says does ha still think the dun boss region is in the north of ukraine

i never fucking said that in the first place s the fuck up

bucking d g g ok this onll coming in from constantine why does the east europew countries

why do the east

european countries beg to be a part of nato every time the russians start shelling a foreign city

it's almost as if russian aggression is driving countries to join nato

it's almost as if those countries are it's all right nationalist go ahad it's almost as if every single time the west leads a coup or regime change operations in a central or eastern european country

they made great strides either in you know one of the four you know main steps in joining nato

when they have this coup government in place have you ever noticed that

i just want to say we didn't establish that it was a us led coup we certainly didn't establish that

we more than established that just five billion just for stablish that you five billions for that just for the record ukraine wasn't going to join nato until the crimean invasion happened what that's not tue is a bit about that we have evidence of the crissis litersdence to the contrary lit evidence to the contrary w i waitiny destiny do you know the

were steps to join nato foring given me a green light joining to the contrary way i'm curious i want to hear destiny's thoughts on this

first of all do you know the four steps in joining nato and how many of those steps

ukraine has achieved and also do you know what

nato what nato said about ukraine membership

at the two thousand and eight bucharest before the crimean referendum

i don't care if they were given the green line in two thousand and eight

yats and you literally sad just yet literally i giving the green light but have an intention right let him finish after the coup

the prime minister literally said that there were no plans on the table to join nato he literally said that that was he changed that changed once russia invaded and annexed illegally

the crimean peninsula

and that's why and the other statements that countries have made about joining o have also changed as russia has increased its aggression that's why countries like finland and sweden are considering the joining nato

which given what russia's doing seems to be pretty fair yeah because russa is going to invade swedenpond to that i respond to that ill respond to that first of all in two thousand and eight at the bucharest summit nato declared that ukraine could become a member state of nato upon further deliberations and accession talks

but what i do want to say is you said that after the twoentoyd fourteen coup they had no intent to join nato

in twenty seventeen the ukrainian parliament adopted legislation reinstating membership in nato as a strategic foreign and security p happened between twenty fourteen and twenty seventeen why would they want to join nato in twenty seventeen twenty nineteusen a want to why would they want to join nato and twenty so ok sound like on a way what what

why would they want to join it when twenty seventeen in a twenty nthing what happened

and what happened what happened after two thousand and fourteen in eastern ukraine we could go there too now let's go exactly to what i sad do't how many you dey that be you diy that the prime minister literally said that they were not a a trade union halemster they were not ok a pivot pivot pivot ok

you're i'm not pivo my don about what was the fucking my don about they wanted to fuck and join nato you dumb fuck that was before anyking crimea it wasn't about you and nato as a le they wanted to turn it was an anti russian movement was they had every intention to join nato by then it was not about joining it it was about your trade deal it was about joining the west in general can you mute the

little more hobbit again please

it was about it was about the foll it was about that in general bitchn a dead pea dad breastony you want to keep out these names that's n little bitch some try yeah laugh laug th the pain laugh to the pain

you know what fucking james as he james you don't him whensult me me you dot him when heking insults me jamesly you do him when he insults me but you only me me i want you balk and tellm you do' want me to fuck and be on leash i ca so you don't want him when he insults me i'm going to go f fucking piece i don't that you right now i don'ty lagh i could see the p my fear in your eyes will be if we were insulting you want to come

i can see the your eyes bs destiny i could see the pain your eyes bs destiny so i would like to say that

so the euromd on protests was was it started because anakovich pulled out of negotiations to join the e u and then once the protest movement started then expanded to like anti corruption and a lot of other issues as well and there were people on the ground not all of them might a protests we extremely diverse but some of them did want to join nato but that doesn't mean it started because of that it it started

once yanukovch pulled out of you negotiations and the second thing i wanted to bring up about nato

was that after the russian invasion the regime changed war there they started in ukraine

and now

finland the first time in human history

the majority of finnish people want to join nato

putin has gifted nato something he has gifted them legitimacy in the modern age where there was tons of people like the finns he that i don't know about joing this but don't even exist now goodluck with that venezuela good luck with it

yeah you expand nato toinland then russia' is going to make military pacts with cuba and venezuela all over the fucking wd against the u s empire good luck with that russia can't even get its four wheeled trucks into fucking eastern ukraine i don't think i really evidence for that evidence for that there's no fucking proof of that there's a logistical disaster it's all fk made up on twitter ash fake newsed on my stream several fuck

sometimes it's not someing true ese i know you having your mouth open do you like sorting out

of tire that's that's thatsach i keep opening your mouth that's me soory mouth sorry mouth

opening your mouth p opening your mouth

because i'm going to as if you want to contend you pictures of tyrot opening them

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tire rot you know when rot when if you don't do proper maintenance on trucks the tires will rot out

go ahead with you also roof source of the widespread logistical disaster

well i'm not saying logistics i'm talking about tirerot right now logistics is another so it's the widespread tyrot

the widespread tire i could give you examples of tire rot

but until we find out to do a proper investigation we're not going to have

oh the's you shi because there's noking failure tho not truck any of these trucks if any of the vehicles invading ukraine is experiencing pirat that means proper maintenance was not done on those vehicles if any of them if any of of them so it it could be one it could be one or two know when you could be one or two vehicles you don't do it like

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you do maintenance like you you circle me if there's a mistake on weder if there's a mistake on one or two les s why are you fucking why are you oting me talking sorry because you never give me a chance to say anything city talk this w fuk in time and i didn't get to say shit

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well ok

want to say thanks folks youre fucking bias moderator james you're a bias fucking moderator

he keeps salking it insulting me talking over you din't et him once

youmute this little buck and god no once this little god n detiny destiny once

you meted me multiple times yeah i was mauted no you wait we were we actually prove james james james real talk

can you prove right now that you haven't received any of that five billion dollars that was marked to ukraine are you part of thessks fine friendshipp bitch has a sense of humor except like mr girl nobody shows your fucking passive aggressive wh stop umbling stumbling sense of fucking starkcraft bitch fking laughing that's passis bitch that's let me

your dirty laundry destiny because i found out a lot of things about you best me let me air your dirty laundry mother pyh let me air your dirty laundry destiny mother fucker

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come on can we talk about the charity let's put ten thousand on a destiny that's you're taller than me ten thousand you want to do it

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let's fucking do a real measurement and see

i i want to bet moneyyy rang you want to bet the money or not say you want to bet the money or not right when it comes to us in the charity

i know that everybody here cares about the charity a lot we want to r like me and destinyt to raise lots of orphans

and has what's the cost gues eep them keep them away from mr grill keep them away from mr grell g g because there's a lot of sick peders in that fucking community and with destiny's friends like mr grey who knows you know so keep those orphans away from mr grell keep them away from d g g that's all i got to say as far as the the charity'es concerned

keep them away you why talk aboutep keep keep the children safe i don't know why is besy not platforming them so much why di destiny g thely pedophile on which his only platform destiny gave the only p prominent open pedal on wwich the only p ukraine what does that do with ukrain i don't know it just says something about him in his community his ideology and his word has a fucking g child trafficking problem and thatsy being so

ukrainian government it causs a lot of things into question this w you so keen on platform which is only major hed a large child trafficking problem does that mean that your in favor ofly child trafficking

i'm completely the russian government is waging crusades against that meanwhile in ukraine it seems like the're getting a fucking free pass n why di you geve mrl got bn for being a pedal why would you give that guy was your career you gve this career destiny care if you can's what does that say about you don't you have a child yourself you bt you have a son do't you have a son my son my son is

r girl now that's discust would you talk about your own son and joke about your own son like that so much a fucking child protective services honesty band your own fuck and son to live a fucking youthf life at thirty two wh't you grow the fack ve an actual fuck and family life traffics right

if you care about child trafficking and you support the five billion dollars ukraine that we gave them that was in part to combat child trafficking right and n none of it was actually effectively used to do that

how no probably not because all the ukrainianus the cia the american state are involved in it because the cia the american deep state in the pentagon in the state department are involved in it how did the cia give them the money for the child traffick

what the fucky tma giving them money the cia literally is involved in fucking child trafficking it was fucking signals that were prove coming from the pentagon to fucking thailand w the're trafficking children you do think they're doing it in ukrainek math there's no evidence in the fight there's no evidence of there's no evidence of s state department involvement in child trafficking the money was distributed to combat things like childra officially speaking did it actually affect

efctively do anything about it no you need evidence showing otherwise why need evidence showing that the pentagon is involved in child trafficking around the world and it's logic noth you can logically extrapolate that they're involved in the country that's the biggest tub in the world you know it's the biggest tup of it in thealking world and the people destiny had their fucking way would be legal

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feels a little mean

fels what james james do you think i'm pro do you think i'm pro little meaning child think you think you think it's a little mean to fucking sociopath bonttle over here he literally is reported to be a fucking socio pass that by everyone who's ever gott close to him he's a little fucking snake he's a little fucking go fucking the twisted little fuck

st i wait when i met you destiny you had like a switch in your eye did look a little so true wait what is the what is the personal shit you're going to burn me overs i'm so curious i got a lot of dirty laundry about you destiny don't worry about of it do a little bit i'm saving it don't worry about it destiny i'm saving what this is the perfect moment why would i why would i give you what i have now you've got like twenty dos you that's your you time to shot sy how about you with the all you whit now destinymll stephen you fuck

with the wrong one that's all i got to say from so many creators even white what wet you bet al stephen beta mal stephen all i gota say is

hey betamel stevehn we should spread awareness don't you think about the spreading like diseases and stuff

destiny why don't you keep the condom on why you supporting the what is formo sexual assault you're trying to use andrama no you know you know that oh this is a public cry no

that's not what i have that's just what's public i have other shit mother fucker but all i got to say de is when she says the condom on you shud s when she says keep keep it on when she says keep it on t it on who said it who said it

when she says keep the condomin when she says keep the condomin you have to keep it on

you disagree

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the only major fuckinged and there and the the only major pedle on which even career if it wasn't for you wh you ped so much go ahead

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why do you know someb dot me just leak its the topic of what

who am i who am i stufing

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i that's not what i was talking about anyway the people the people want to know ho destiny there's a lot of shit on you that's all i got to say what' some other shit you got to be god so i'm ight that that wasn't even that's just public shit where you fucking caught so that's o that's gotter that's just what i got from pitter that's not what i got from the nay of me is going to be from shoud i treated thatin pu brush only the guilty brush that's all i got

say you're bleushing hard so i'm blushing so yeah you're blushing hard only the guilty what it what other only the guilty what other tt i mean you're going to expose me for destiny trust me fucking career would be over why don't you just tell why you wy so curious if there's nothingf there's nothing why so curious why if there's nothing why you' so curious acking a sexual predator if there's

there's nothing why a you so curious why are you protecting a sexual predator in twitch right now why you admitting you're a sexual predator you're saying i'm a sexual predator no but that's not what i said oh what are you saying then

i'm not telling you what i'm saying

yeah all i got to say destiny is to say all i got to say des isbama there's nothing you could talk about make another high joke say whatever the fuck you want but at the end of the day lik here lily li you literally liotking reach lially look like lially but you literally are built like a fucking peter pan syndrome thirty two year old man still fucking plays video games all day playing fucking league of legends which you're not even fucking good at you have nothing

fucking going for you you maxed out as a fucking gameer you're not even a good gameor has san surpassed you as far as fucking political commentary is concerned you failed stream of your life is a fucking failure you're deadbeat dad you don't even see your son because you wanted to choose the fucking right of laping as a fucking teenager again he school and in fuckingd in high school so you're trying to replay all those years now

cloud to get pers and even do a good job of doing it's fucking pathetic as be have like a million followers it's absolutely fucking pathetic peter pan syndrome thirty two year old man failed falk and streamer has san surpassed you and he's only been here for a small fraction of your time on fuck and twitch how does it feel knowing that for all your grievances against him's more relevant than you'll ever fuck and be no

matter what

does' feel that right now i have twelve thousand viewers watching me have a guy screaming at me that i watched a month ago almost in tear dtream crying thattenscriys bd not let other men right let other men f right nothing

can say it's nothing you can say let other men fuk your rf and it's your right you let oer she's proably with someone who knows you let other men get with your wife there's nothing you can say your wal existence is an insult to yourself you have no honor you have no dignity there is nothing you could say you can call me short call me whatever the fuck you want destiny but your living existence you're a thirty two year old man with

s other men men get with this fucking ife what you have best bandon your own fucking son father stll trying to like you'r fucking twenty one years old whyn't you g to fuck up best mee because time's catching up with you and you got some serious peter pan syndrome which is also kind of dangerous given your association with mr girl

how many times are you to repeat the same insults

ohh your insults are constantly new and fresh s i could i could t some we could talk about how we could talk about how along with crying that you were losing a fanmias remember you were crying earlier that so many people come to your stream and they backset you they start shows without you they take some of your flag base that one example sure name one example

i don't follow your lawy that much we all just name one example crying about it i din't want to was like right ok i think i th was cring was criming then give me an example i think hey listen i think i think i think we're very feminine mannerisms by the way nothing wrong with that cting nothing wrong with that it's very feminine on my very feminine mannerism there's nothing wrong with that i'm just wrinting it outvery feminine manners very feminine august very feminine manners i cry

about other people hosting shows and august august i was crying about other shows or people other people that you were crying about were stealing your fan base you're going to do a bg courge because y fan ba i said going to succeed in stealing my fan base you're just going to be trying to take me down and gett me bandished had nothing a fuck and do with it you even your fuck and tm w you fuck and lilittle fuk and

that's literally what you are every fucking thing you ever said against me is based on fucking either lies or distortions with a small brain of truth liar to you quick little b a mail yt scream the same shit over going to get you know yes and bring up that bring it up that's new there is nothing new to bring up about there's nothing to bring up yeah i was nothing new

you keep talking how much my wife gets fuck your career gets fuck ten times harder my you sp in success k a my fuking stats maybe if you said that two weeks ago when there was a little slump that would have fuck and applied but that's what detiny after all of you fuck and out of me and all that fucking should happen i blew up in size just like a son surpassed a shoit i don't want know why destiny becaussum your community a b you

in your community of b stagnant fucking failures you fucking fail w s surpass you so drastically at least be like a twenty k and on thich ten k and on which you literally barely g fucking crack three kws most day because youre fucking faled stream you've been your way longer than most people and it you rank one thousand in wwitch a son ranks thirty your

completely outrank the fucking surprissed you in every conceivable fucking way that must sting and i see the pain in your eyes and i see talking about a sacrip every time you talk about a san you' so frustrated and you'r so fucking like upset about it it clearly gets to bothers you so should we talk about that this i hope that the next time you talk to realfe you bring a megaphone to emulate you jacking the microphone

about myo you are not have soft feminine voices like you nothing wrong with that but that's what you have i hope you not all of us consume s manag not us a diet of s manage not all us on a fucking twenty four seven diet of sord that same how's your gym games going destiny because it's been like a few months and i think there'sve like a worsening of progress based on what we saw with you in south

la than ever flaby and out of shape than ever that gym stuff is not working out for you is it

i think it's working out pretty well really because those hips don't lie destiny

do you want to' working out for you knowow is it you want progress w you pictures you sort of flirt with me yeahyh bestiny all i have to say is i don't sway that way but you're not a very masculine person at all i just have to say that ok i hope that you have this level of masculinity when we see each other next that's all i hope you want to bet on that

w to bet on that best asking a bet there you don ok money because i like it i like it when people back up the bullshop they say with money with it so iing take something away from them when i know in their eyes they can see how fucking wrong they were not going to right be here in ten weeks i might like what i might not i might not be here in ten weeks the fuck up destiny

you always sound like a beta mail every time you talk you sound like a beta mail can you utter a single s jacking the gain up all the way and you utter you utter a single can you sing a sentence can you utter a single fucking sentence without sounding a reg on the microphone elevening detiny

can you utter a single fucking sense of the sasaniugulbitch why does al your protege surpass you why does that happen

why can't you kach keep up with as son or even that guy wash why di they all surpass you destiny i thought you're the original guy you're the original thing that created them right if you created all of them shouldn't you be able to get to the level why are you such a failure even fucking lm starting to kind of surpass you this your whole career is nothing but stagnation and failure you know you're not a go getter you don't actually get anything in life your only reason you're here on fucking twitch is because that b fucking bull

shit starcraft league of legend shit nobody gives a fuck about you because you're political commentary commentary because if that was true you would at least be able to fucking be a fucking fraction of assan's level

oh le's not is's that's not get started thatlet's not started withsby boy over here should let's not just started with psbury boy and you should bring those gloves outside too then if you're fucking doing it overzoom then you should have no problem bringing them outside

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overall followers viewership relevance engagement all that

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it's not a fucking accomplishment anyone can use fucking clout the well you know been s me for ten years i'll give you a big pat on the back o i'll kneel over to you think you think streaming for ten years makes you a good streamer no that just fucking means you've never been able to find another career to fuck and do anything and thats what other why would i fd another career

you're not good at anything you do you're fucking medi're the definition of mediocre

you're literally a fucking you're someone who gets used by others to kicks start their career and you get left behind what a little bitch

s if i'm a pillsbury dough boy what's for a problem with having a boxing match like i just i'm curious

what's ok thell and when i'm literally right there then and there and tell you we can go outside and easy are you threatening me you just tell me you're a little b let's not use legally ramified let's not use the language of karens and tattle tales but you and i know both know your little bitch to the youreh you and i both know you to the co you bch to the court

do we have sea fight what's the problem then ok the's n i mean there'ss there's no probm whatsoever talk about this and i'm literally two feet away from you calling you if you know i'm commenting something about fat retard to be sure sure that's what you're saying that's you know interesting but why did you walk up to the person afterwards that you you delete that part about the fat retard co i ask you why you did that

o i don't recall that i don't recall that but you're fucking cattletail little karen i stand with the platforming so censorship and the platforming is all you have but when i actually told you to come through fuking money where your mouth is and fk something ssy i tell you to put you money where your mouth is one feet away from you and s

' going to sit even though i disrespect your face you want to talk about scheduling something months in advance of some shit like i give a fuck i'm right there shite we're not a f you're not a man you're not a man you're and a tattletale and a tattletale that's what you are

and a tattletale i and a tattletale that's whenever i actually try to challenge you man b and actually try to get this done caring in tattletale a little bch your man is perfits perfect man man forfeit i don't want you man w forfeit i don't want youping kepping keep goping this nocus you start talking about

fighting and then become a caaring your a little bridch there's no nothing to crak about let's start talking someone about sighting and thench out something something se if you fee away from someone and you start talking about how you want to press them to see if they're a man to fight the and then when they somealthing caut your glve you become a t proans then gets

fucker menf it destiny offered five thousand dollars for you to stupid fk yeah because a war started you got all youar t i mae five thousand every month before this stupidt oh you did no way no when i was in l a i los subscribed before then yeahy yeah i was in l a for a fucking vacation s yeah and nobody even said

fight is the fucking happening but guess what since you want to fight so bad it's all going to happen i'm taking my fucking time to announce everything set everything up w about it

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about the about it did you say you were learning in the legal like nothing nothing nothing is guaranteeding nothing is but if you want to fight me you can come to michigan any time we can discuss it we can meet somewhere and discuss it ylan any time you want any time you want all on dylan dylan did you know that michigan i'm not making this up you gt

mchigan is the only state where it's illegal to discriminate against somebody based on height

ga destiny is that supposed to be funny because that's n you know best me at the best at the best withre the same right but the differences you look like sid from my sage and i look like a fucking greek god compared to you and that's the only fucking difference so you want to talk about people's looks destiny what do you have this is your progress of the gym is going exactly how i felk and predicted it would and that would be your only salvation by the way destiny you literally are

skinny fat you never actually matured in any kind of way you have peter pan syndrome youre thirty two year old man the sight of you was disgusting don't ever stre you right realized youre

don't ever do a pool stream cause it's disgusting that's all i have to say

when are weet in the hospital streams

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and oh you think there's a comparison destiny

so bes did you consider yourself more physically attractive than me

i don't really think about your level of physical attract you you can see i you consider yourself better than me physically

how much have you thought about your physical ecuomys compared to mine w you consider yourself better than me physically

what do you think about your yeah i don't wh why you talk why you why do you talk about height when at best we're the same height for in your case do with physical attraction oh you're projecting do you think that those things are like tied together what is it ok what's more man is that what it's about more man

it's about how much i can make you fucking mold ok ok what's the significance of height then

you trib what significance becausents i bring it up at best with the same height except i'm literally better than you in every other kind of way

it's literally that simple

so what do you have

at best we're the same height ok i'm not that tall i never said i was but guess what

in every other respect i'm better than you physically in every other way so why bring up physical appearance it's not going to go well for you

who's why do you think that height is physical appearance was

height is not about physical appearance

is it to you

what is height about then it's not a physical appearance you what is it a mental appearance ight then it's not a physical appearance talk this you think you're objectively less attractive than somebody that's like the sam well it's about physical appearance right forget about attract and you said height is not physical appearance yeah we literally watch you strike out on stream all the time in your irel stk strike god means fail right

is that what it means because you said that it means fie that's ok

again i'm not going to discuss anything with those who put money on it so you want to make claims put money on it oka fie you want to bet in roubles

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oh oh you mean the fake bankers currency which isn't going to matter in the fucking future wor w the u s d is going to be fucking overthrown and the petro dollars being overthrown as we speak

what's so funny about russian suffering right now because of western sanctions by the way that's not funny to me i think a lot of people are having a hard time it sounds like yeah withdraw i s i think i think i think i don't think's going to be funny about that but that's what the thing is

russia with its partnership with china's leaving the fucking west behind the nt need the rest anymore to survive the u s d is going to be fucking overthrown that petro dollars going to be fucking overthrowverre can you can have your number one expert be in toilet paper now at least because that's what you're fucking is going to infation byden's done such a good job attacking russia with the sanctions how infation syp drive the' going to pay fucking so

seven dollars a gallon by the summer hop you're waiting for that destiny with fucking the price of all goods are going to fuck and skyrocket in this country the u s dollars values going to lose too by that fuck and same measure because it's going to be inflation across the board good luck

that is russi w ma what is russian inflation at right now ust it's guess what it's very high s in venezuela all that's temporary the difference is ussia is going to be its russiarfla was temporary so what you're say it is temporary russia is going to say how long how much longer is the temporary place when when the u s dollar is going to be fucking overthrown within the next ok russia russia' is going to survive this crisis the s is not

that's the difference

okay

russia's been preparing for this the u s has no preparation that's the fucking difference russia has been preparing to transition into an alternative financial and economic system the u s has not that's the fucking difference destiny

is that going to be like in the form of like ckrypto or

why not just may be involved here why nots the moderate here's the moderate way can we have can we have a compromise here what if we create an en of and i actually we made and that's thats desiny thats destinyy youry i tip i tiped my foot at such a we really read it like comment of you've truly bested me in a game of whits destiny that your fucking sense of humor a little bitch

because i don't where i come from do't buck and have humor like that doesn't me i just call used to your face litts a little bitch right your fuking face li beta mal pitch its bottles like exactly what i fuck and call you you can't rest any kind of fucking direct way des is make offand passive aggressive sarcastic comments which by the way destly make you look good in front of people who are already like you a k the scum and

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been af only thing the only thing right been fuck been a fucking data that'ss you know i'd rather be fucking bad ten inches shorter than ever fucking look like you and that's what i mae i mae made that's that's what said that's what i s that's what says that says that keep eep keep fucking saying you made me right

do you knownt make sit besy my or to the solar system ma how by the time i did the first time i ever fucking the b you i reready had a fucking established community fucking dumb frog when we debated the first time you like two hundred viewers ok is a lot for someone building from scratch like ever had two hundred viewers by themselves that's

you mad me really what changed recently you think it's your community starting to watch me now

people that are in my chat there not by you featuring me on your channel when you're so excited wh you're in my twitchhop begging me to have conversation i was begging you is that what happened i was doing yeah you want me to pull up the logs and my up i was begging to talk to you yeah go ahead pull it up was begging somebody go ahead and somebody going to give me the lep the begging up the begging

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calling you up because you're talking shit about me and i called you out for the little bitch you are fuking you can't fuk keep my name out of your fucking mouth i didn't bring you up you one started fucking talking shit about me i can't defend myself with the bad from the fucking shatley s earlier was bter that's me iver i don't even aitiate any i never initiate any something intert

with you almost every interaction weve ever had was initiating it not me you fucking hos orbiter you always have been what is this want to debate about decolonization debate about decolonization pull i'm not sures that was bad and panada i found thebty w i want to running f he keeps running for me so i wanted to fucking debate him i didn't want to debate you at that fucking point it was just because you had him fucking on

madest orbiters fter and that's how it's going to be songs right now in ass orbitter you're going to be my bitter to the difference is i never sucked up to and i never was your protege i aways be myselfde you remember i be sde so excited to talk to me on czircus disco before you were n i was excited was that was i excited was i so excited

k out in that debate i did you my god can i talk to a big streamer that's not to see if that's what i said the fuck out in the debate right you got your first l for me for the first fucking iime even know what i fuck it was can i ask youyes did i inspire you to become a streamerter that like this inspired me out of everything if anything why don't youjust sok and call me a circle orbter because that's the only fucking channel i

i watched i don't havever fu can watch you w a fuck i know fuckn watch you you'r fucking loser you'r fucking boy wre you nott to that discord call them befre you were streamer i was begging to get in the discord call

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forty five percent jackson

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oh so there yes and why you were begging just say that that i would know i wasn't begging i said let me talk to him because he's debating me while i'm in chat

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do you think that theirca made you

no

nobody made me

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do you you said that you used to have a higher cressorver my orbiters does that mean i stole your fans

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what's wrong with a fucking mass

when i was debrating your orbiters

more people are turning into my stream from your orbiter community now that i'm fucking completely independent from you guys it's a way less proportion it's that fucking simple

what's it what's a here's a question what's a bigger proportion the proportion of your viewership crossover with mr grow returns or the proportion of the aso battalion compared to the entire ukrainian armed forces ukrainian armed forces representative of their significance know anything about modern military single handedly were responsible for the retaking twenty fifteen the represented in special operations at the vanguarh

of these fucking you think numbers that would define significance in a modern military ing in the fucking age ofponic rusre fucking the fucking medieval times were just throwing fucking people in numbers at the that's what's going to fucking define w wins you know shit aut how modern military works you fucking dumb ass but keep fucking laughing so co and hides your fucking pain every time i squeeze you on a point w try to laugh

laugh about something it res some fucking premises that are wrong i bunk your fucking premises and all you have is fucking copium to respond to it you have fucking nothing destiny you have nothing remember that beta mal you can laugh a fuck and rot but i ripe the rug from under your fuck and feet and re not ughing seem to have a straight face now right is be you're pretending to laugh now i can do thats bestiny

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surrender that's all you don't do that could you say that all again

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it's all you can do is surrender you are low energy low tea low teastiny

that's what you are y yeah yeah yeah

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can you show progression pictures of the games at the gym since you're saying i was right

show us

do you want me to send your progress books to

yeah show me the progress picks

is this your is this your subtle way of asking me for news is that what we're getting to you can ask my dick size next i flls wyeye detiny the thing is we started talking about appearance first you and me

want to go thats iis is bm bterml

you were just what th the starting a battle you couldn't fuck and finish that's what you're doing do you think it was that's what you're do microphonic chip out like this do you think you're selling yourself as a common person i'm saying myself as what i'm so i'm asserting my fucking dominance over yous what i'm think you ss on fucking pitch and on and somey want to see someone put you a fucking place and that's exactly what i'm fucking doing

potatoes never had anything said snarky passive aggressive remarks on actual substance of any f break you ever had with me just bleft that what i was saying was self evidently absurd you never had a fucking rebtter it's anything i've ever fuck and said ever said is ok you've submitted to me like a little pitch and iow would have left is blfhing behind a fucking sarcasm and irony that

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thanks dylan

you welcoe you james

take care you guys

as nobody's ever been put in y meo man me man let me go fuck up le bitch

give me a comment then give a comment then go ahead

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i'm in i'm in austin i'm in ausstin in one week

i going to why would i

ok me in person one way or another we're going to meet in person and we're going to see wait to see if i keep the same ok wait and see if i keep the same energy wait and see if i keep the same energy and tel thatbody can watch the last timere sitting right in front of you caause you're fucking bit a shit that's right your face yeh i did and that's not sat fucking posture

the fucking posture of a submissive baitter just kind of laughed and walked away like a little bitch fuck ran away bit giggling and you were like oh we should step next to each other all this is and sa you're fuckingle fucking fan wanted to do that fucking shit the fucking camera like a fucking loser and that's y best take my respect forness to human beings for weakness that was a big fucking mistake because next time we fucking meet bestiny

not going to get that same treatment by the way everyones respectful to me the same exact fucking way but bes best and me since you want to be on this path and want to see the wrath of ozs we're going to fuck and see the wrath of oz and i look forward to it

but in im guess

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it doesn't have to be ok that's all i can say that'sll i have to say that's i have to say that's all i have to it doesn't have to be

if you know you you know

you can't really challenge someone to a fucking fight and say i you have to i hand balean or like bill and bill and guess whatsy don't worry the pisbury doby don't worry keep the same energy don't worry i' so scared of a fat boy

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don't worry doinglling i'm looking forward to itll and i'm looking forward to it

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sit tight and enjoy yourself

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because i i think i think i think i hope you at least of age because i don't want bestiny to be here singing happy birthday to you when you're going to turn seventeen so i hope at least like those type of weird sexual right right thatssd mr gl his career i don't know but why you writfend mr g you defend mr i never had mr grow my program i have no nothing rightfend destiny

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but i don't i don't the destiny burns is career on twitch

mr gur's career on towars program

i have no clue i don't know enough about i don't know ok so let's say hypothetically that destiny is the reason mr gllen grad stutter mr b has a fucking presence on twitch let's say that's the reason for that is because of destiny do you approve that

i guess i don't know you approve of it

if mr girls a pedophiles plas for because of destiny but i don't know anything about mr girls so i don't know what the let's say s when we talk about raping children i heard about that have my program because iy don't want to be a disaster but i don't know if it's a pedophile okf someone makes a song abut raping children does that mean the i find it distasteful but someone said ed by

stop fucking asking me s was hot i don't i don't care that' said that's what mr said i don't want to talk about judy i don't want to talk about gross ok ok buts bes because that's pt you started including me and it you started say well maybe de is got a less because because you'r best friend with destiny

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and that's what you're associated with you a garbeter

th why you talk about me being molested thougt what i for i runs any i runs it

you did you were talking about oh i hope was of age because i just don't think peoplesd with petter should be around minors i didn't say anything about that i just said i just in general don't think it's appropriate

the fuck don't conclude me in your fucking pedal fantassk me to see you happy birthday want you shut your fucking mouth up ho about that just it was just just how often do you think about pedophiles is this something that's like going through your mind aot i tend to think about them whenever i'm in a fucking discord call zom call with you

that's kind of weird because you remind me of them

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no

you having trouble breathing who looks more like a fucking child wor you now

looks like this e know you like a child nar your destiny

who acts more like a child you me what you fchld thirty two fk man syndrome on the back microphone syndromeynroe syndrome is what you fuck and have peters that means you never want to grow up you never want to grow up you never actually want to know about this di because you have a son you're not acting like a

bad father just being responsible taking care of their own son we're trying to still act like a child

i're talking about hisse kids

because i'm just trying i'm talking about its character that's me thats want to make it personal you should have abstained from any personal comments relating to me in any way since you want to talk about my personal life but i can't talk about it you cald you s like you only stor what is on part this what is on par going after his children doesn't about me

that doesn't mean you go after his kids

i think i did everything bes has available to him to go after me for he he's done it

but that doesn't mean you go after a person's kids i'm not going after his kids i'm going after the father

that's there that's the s i'm going after the father not the kid

he's a bad father would you disagree

i would disagree

youre dis a bad father right ben his son i don't need a k four foot seven over here talking about my parenting skills all right this i forgot to laugh

are you genuinely laughing destiny genuine because why does it why do you laugh and then so suddenly get a straight face why straight face but look at the transition look at the transition he pretends to laugh and then all of a sudden he gets a straight face

so it means you're pretending to laugh so why don't we drop the theatrics why don't we drop this charad destiny and actually want be your aggressive self aggressive stephen versus aggressive ows let's see what it looks like

go ahead

why don't you ruse your own in front of the brest instead of fucking bluffing

w have brobt me roast me doch at directly attack me destiny do it directly we have nothing

noth i don't have anything on you because i don't know anything about you because i don't know about you ust of you i don't talk to i know what you do on this platform every singance every single chance know eything about me try to find out the other people on this platform i don't know a single fucking thing about single thing about that for the lo coow shit that gets posted screaming at other people sit in this

every single thing so my money your fucking delusions you're going to say here for eight hours screaming

s every chance of detin me every chance of gon to des rele every chance of go detin me every chance relevant every i thuk upking nine hour debate i tukup in an eight hour debate ho hour debate and i pladed in a chat with all relevance for eight hours yes so obsessed with his opinion about you you

it's beause that fucking know about me and potatoes issues and know fucking hong kong was a british colony in the past it's a fucking stupid was i vee thought the snake island thirteen story was real so sad a snake island thirteen was it snake island thirteen llan

where's the russian d n a chemical attack

then something we don't know if it's sure false but we knew the snake island thirteen is false

well you reported on it evidence

where's the evidence

that the chemical weapons of that any evidence like anythingons what chemical weapons the d n a chemical weapons like where are they

the russian embassy allegances that's the basis of the evidence have they found it yet like but it hasn't been disproven but the snaket has been disproven you we not being logically consistent one thing has been definitivelyspven beyond the threshold of any doubt they are still alive and we know that the other thing we don't know what was certainty we justt have to infer the probability of looking to the evidence of these labs

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es that what you really have to say you want me to present ot of argument theen you make a mockery of yourself you dishonor yourself you dishonor yourself

you make a mockery of yourself

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he evidence that i work for any feds i don't g to i'm going have to give you should dylan

i don't have to give you shit i mean like i'm at like a cia age of man you don't you should be worried what i didn't say cia i didn't say cia mr what is it that mr grable wo it is it who is it that credential public record

i know they are so we are

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on your stream

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nothing

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go ask your mom first i need so you're conceding so you're conceding sure whatever i don't care you're conceding

i don't care i sure whatever you're going to be at the conference too righte

which conference

next week in austin you're going to be there

no

oh but you wanted to come didn't you

yeah i asked jackson if i could come to help spread marxism leninism you canvin yh that's what you're doing right

i literally said that yes

i don't want to come

ok

but what is the conference next we what do i interting interesting interesting

we what interesting there's a conference next week

hey destiny you want to come

yeah ok god gd show up come to ast the next week

i need like an invite i'm not flying myself out there you guys probably for a fucking ticket pay and why would we come but if you wt like are you going to give me like a free stage and i'll be able to make a spea i tcharge a hearan sp ok i'mre buying a fucking ticket

no but i'm ask you why would we come

you asked to come

and that i said the spread marxism leninism ok think of'm a marxist leninist

you asked jackson why you jackson ask him to come

it was a joke i a joke

yes listen you redlym im asking if you we come w you re the outcome of that joke you make it onstream

you want jackson alone to laugh at your joke

y yes i like to mock jackson yes i like to po you want jackson to be only recipients of your brilliant joke yes literally just him i do that all i do it all the time fucking i did it recently

a joke of people in private because because it's not like i' jus all performance is always how i am private joke with are funcking weirdo

because i

it is pretty weird doing to making it pretty we but ma only make jokes about like yeah yeah wen recipient is your fucking sworn andr on the i think i think actually di want to comes i think actually want to come what i think i think you actually di want to come dyan that's the thing i think you actually did want to come how is how is how was actually my sworn enemy what does that mean like d n dal s in the debate you had with you about tairwan so i think that would

be grounds for a lot of animosity i'm sure you would think that

most of yes mo mot of every neutral audience who saw things that community was telling the like dude you need to stop yelling and interrupting people thinging the thing is the their event got funding pull that's why they're not flying anybody out i see because of the arth nothing but funding pulled well that's well then why are you guys begging for donations online to me actually i heard why would flling

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for donations why you begging for yeah caleb is begging for donations here on twitter please donate for the event to make it happen in light of recent events donation aesom happ ask asking for fundraising what you think we're fucking swimming and gold

i thought i thought russianright what thought russian russian st brag whatn't you just bragging about much money you're making

true you were i make what you me know i wasn't braging ho much money i make what happened i mean thous dollars that bad bad paid for that is not enough because thats the sacrifice sucking streaming for that

it's not enough

you're not going to stream the event

i have to sacrifice focusing on my streaming and grinding shit over that you fucking dumb ass what is the s just stream when you go to the event what are you sacrificing

the fucking preparation and all that kind of suden training did you prepare for your event when you debated against dylan because i didn'teed to got fucking destroyed

are you s what a binder and you got crushed

the know that the indigenous community of teiran ha spoke in pro k m t

wow that's crazy and all of them are proclamped as well

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all that's wll

yeah

that doesn't mean they want separatism they still believe in sun yat sens ideals of one china

did you turn a gain like five seconds and then you turned it right back up

o you want to cry about it

the cat just turn your mike down cry about it

not really but i really should the fock up

god you're so alpha du yeah yeah how do you how do you get to be that alpha destiny

y it one of the first step first step the first step is having the pride of not allowing other men to fuk your wife what that's the firstt there can you caell me how do i get to that part

i think you should actually learn to have some fucking pride and stop being a fucking beta mill that's maybe what i teach me i do get right what do i need i don't know i think i think maybed issue maybe red daddy issues in your past what issues with your father or something you have to resolve that it's all forredy and stuff

gocha how do i k it now though how do i resolve i don't know how fix your relationship with your father but if i was your father i'd be fucking ashamed of you

ok

and also if you know i wouldn't want you as the i i god you know god help anyone whose father is someone who's in an open relationship honestly

charmss

yeah

you're a big christ guy

what does that have to do with anything

you're a qrit guy

i'm curious that's all you're a christian

yeah i'm y christian like oh oh oh dylan dylan you're such an authentic christian

i don't i i don't want to talk about this ok

and why di you bring it up

well i just asked if you were because you said christ why didt you bring it up

i was curious

what is it a dig on muslims now

w what's your f point why what's your point

what do you mean you're a christ guy just i was just curious want to talk about it and don't talk about it shu the fuck up i just was curious if you were religious that's all i wanted to know i didn't want to talk about when i ask you you don't want to talk about it i am but then you started going after like oh you're a real affected christian like and then i' was th ok you're real christian doing

why i don't want to talk about most christians would think you're a real christian right

i would assume so most of my church do

oh your church

which church is that by the way

is this because i like men is this what this real i that's not what i said

it feels like it is no it's not what i said

i'm just asking like for real i don't think i don't think real christians support the agenda of the fucking liberal establishment

uh that's what i think what what pol what are the real christians are they all communists because all the eve jugles i know the really diehards you know they're not ca i think i think real christians logical conclusion are communists

wow real christians are communists

i think so

then the vast majority of chrisians are going to hel that n no i think there communsn't know it yet

ok i got it

a thank you

but in russia the orthodox p the orthodox church is allied with the communist party the people in doanyatskgans

are christian and also have communist values

so it sounds like to me that yes it's a logical conclusion

the vast majority of americans who are christian in the united states do not like communism because they it be misinformed and they've been lied to about what that means

ok

yeah what does karl marx think about religion

stought that religion was the the heart of a heartless world and it was that our only way of having access to humanity in an inhuman world

that's beautiful

what was your point just i wanted to know ok oh i want to know then w you know what i know you're a fucking sick fuck

because you know exactly what you're doing and you just prin a i was just sying i'm innocent this whole time you have malicious intent

and it you hide behind this innocence of just being this oh a normal neutral person i am to out of norman neutral person right you're a norm neutral person i no malicious intent ever right

no it's always a norm neutral person angel ok

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could see right fucking past you i could see what a sick fuck you really are sick just knowo that yeah

yeah i just know about me what what's sick about me

you have evil's tendencies

evil sadistic malicious tendencies yeah i can sense that like well like well like like what

like like like like what

ok got it you want to s want to start naming examples doing

well no i am asking what tendency

right

why just think you're and you're an anti roman person i think you walk with demons i think you're re demons yh with the i'm with the why am i with demons

because you have you have fucking your whole ideology and world view and everything you stand for is fucking demonic

hy what's the monic about what i stand for

you stand for the fucking new nazi globalism of the spreading the liberal values yeah tore you're talking about some pretty base they're prol g they don't care about fucking jewish people like they wantmittinguro supremacist racist w consider everyone else uncivilized subman barbarians

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that's so funny doesn't it

gait destiny i forgot to laugh can you tell the joke again

why didn't you answer the question are you laughing authentically a youre pretending to laugh be you want to want to voc a certain response you want to vocus certin response i pretending to laugh you authentically laughing

which one is it can you really laugh absson me

i don't think you are

wn't be directly aggressive instead of passive aggressive you know you can't talk ahen it comes us you have to bluff and pretend i'mus going to outwit you i threm the tru so this is what you have let's see what desy has you have the true thing you have the hight thing ok and then well s you have some ribe that was made up about something in my community what else you have let's keep going the list going

let's virginity and that was a big one i think

what is what does what he mean

i think you did bring that up once yes you said i think he thinks you were a virgin

oh he thinks i'm a virgin okay and then destiny thinks i'm a virgin so those are the four things we have

you're welcome

so that's all

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what else

anything else

how about every single fuckin debate or interaction with ever fuckin have i've outclassed you in every fuckin regard

really

yeah

insane how about that ok james i can't stay here allight because i actually do have a life and i have to go to stories have a round up

yeah yeah keep coping you fucking betamil bitcht its bottle

nervous look little nervous destiny might be

oh yeah

might be

i condolences look a little awkward destiny what's wrong dest you you look a little awkward right now

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do you think uncomfortable because i think you're really uncomfortable you're uncomfortable i really be projected s i felt bad for you to sry to be nice to a person uncomfortable you still uncomfortable is socially awkward

desity desity it's ok to c socially awkward aren't you

littleucking bedtaml bitch littleucking dta mal bitchking bedta mal bitch

what's that destiny litt beta mal bitch you don't like when i call you that it reminds you of getting stuffed in the locker in high school

ah was that your high school experience i think it was us

i think you were bullied a lot in high school and then starkrat was your escape starcraft was your escape wasn't it

what tell us about your life in high school how was it how a great

really oh yeah

even as a short guy you know any problems

i was taller than your high school i bet you that much

wh wait a you still would because i would call you blo but i don't think you ever bloomed at all so i'm pretty sure i was always taller than you in high school

really yeah tell of the me doesn't mean much i i'm a manlight right

so ok

you're a fucking g you a fucking man but you're a good nom a fucking gom bit like sid from ice age you have the proportions of a fucking child it's just your torso is weirdly long and it's really ugly by the way

did you ever b in high school did you ever get bole in high school for you high

mo no de do you ever think that you look grotesque would you say you look grotesque

you know what did you go bulling in high school it was a number one thing

i was never bull my d tuck in my destiny was nver sa in a s time never bully never always nver did you not have any friendsbody talk to you di that's not true either destiny what your friends jokingly bully about what were like some jokes about have said's destiny destiny

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i think i do ok for look disgusting it not everyone has to go to the gym but for some fucking reason you look abnormally grotesque and disgusting as a man

it look like a freak of nature

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well you don't care if you have a pedophile with platform and you're nist what you don't care about anything a sad pathetic fucking person you're a sad falking pathetic person of what you are' not to care about anything destiny but on that make makes you a jellyfish i makes you a fking jellyfish do more psychedolics to cope with your pain and misery destiny do more psychedelics

to cope with your pain and misery in life i can see the pain in your eyes of how your life is with other men

you know how many times over years i've heard that from people that don't exist on this platform anymore but i can i can see the pain i sink you're any different you sound just like every other personen you realize that yes oh i sund but right are

i don't know half of don't exist in here anymore you sound like every other like wannabe huge alpha male that just screeches best destiny destiny dum shits the grand majority of normal living people on planet earth you are absolutely a disgraceful dishonorable husk

this not excuse for a man

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i so pathetic that they'd have sympathy

they would definitely side with me because i'm a fucking human being who speaks with their fuck and chest speaks with their heart you speak like a fuck and reptile

that's the fucking difference you're a fucking snake

that's the fuck in difference destiny a passive aggressive robotic piece of shit and i'm a fucking human being who wes what they are on their sleeve you will never have that you never just be directly an authentic person i right you is going to be a fake fuck who hides the real fuck and feelings and hides with the really fucking a behind the vener of sarcasm and irony and indirect jabs and insults you

eever actually be able tod up to what you really fuck and are deep down now will you you thuck and procee because i think if you did that everyone would see what an ugly slimy piece of shit you really are

do you think that you sang it over and over again makes i think you're a little nervous right now that's what i think

i think you're a little nervous but tell me why why would i be nervous in those hours because i think you're just fucking speechless is what i think right nobody's ever talking this what i'm what am i suppos to say what am i suppos to say what am i supposed to say btamel

what are i supposed to say

i don't there's nothing i can say do you know nothing

because this is a discoord call that doesn't mean anything to anybody's life why still here

because i've got twelve thousand people laughing at you right now paying me money to watch you chimp out ok you shit out of you here g yeah one with one seventh my viewers it i thought i thought you had a life destiny what happened to having a life

right now my life is making money off of you being a clown ony being a clostin your twelve thousand generit nodes are nothing

they're a drop in the fuckin puddle in the grand scheme of things th' not give a fuck about your fuckin audience

you think how much of rer audience do you think is worth mine

ps we've all listen to you cry about your declining audience while you pretend i said

one of mine is worth one thousand of yours so my three hundred sparans are worth three hundred three thousand of your fuccindurers

my falcon community willwys be loal to me you think your falcon community is loyal to you and your personality wst the fokn make fun of you they mok respect you nobody folking respects you destiny you never gotten that they call you constantly mocke your community so disloyal you had to cry and scream about them leaving for other i di i did i complain about my community or just a few personaly

in my discre trying to serve division to do a purge i purges

why do you have to purchse of the community that's why

whathy would a loyal court community need to be purged every now and then

to keep them lyal

that's what respect is to you absolutely

okay

we're fucking militant out to were disciplined around like your fucking community of this little pieces a shit you don't stand for any agenda we have to be this way destiny we're fighting against the fucking grain we prepared and show for the fucking establishment and go with the fuck and flow whatever fucking c n n m son b c says we have to go against the fuck and grain and you bet we're going to have all fuck and purges raper fucking doing that we're fighting fucking battle the f

we're surrounded on fuking side fuking as i'm going to have a fuck and solid community three hundred fucking spartans against the fuck and great well bunch of paches w just got the fuck and so it's convenient that you never have to get censored for anything everything fuck and believer say magically aligned with the fucking establishment in the mainstream media on the fucking agenda of dovers and the fucking globalist agenda ever fuck and wonder

about that

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m steve when you try to talk overit amut steve when you try to talk over you try to fuck and disrespect me you're going to fuck and get these gorilla games by the fucker and we're not beating at am you try to start w you can't finish you try to initiate this game of disrespect and talking over the opponents and insults and you say up that's me i would have been happy to stick to the meing potatoes of just having a civil discussion but

but you decided to cross that fuck and bounds a first and now you're pitching and regretting it because i'm so loud im so fucking disuspect fuck up pitch i'm not pass regressive makes all time remarks dissuspect me i'mrly disrespect you i not b not going to indirectly make the snide remarks and he's rarely come pitch fucking craft starckcraft fucking player like you i'm a grown fucker man destiny i stand by what i

can say and i mean it

could you repeat that

i missed it

oh that's so funnyly get into the mind of th do you think i'm afraid of you right now or do you think that we're like intimidated by you screem i think in person you would be

really yes i do

oka

i really do

why did you say in my chat before

one git ear is worth a hundred minll

one dg i didn't say that in your chat

ch said yeah i misspoke i misspoke that's what nirds dot the way but you still little bitch that's the difference you stlittle fuckingd fuck you still little briitch you can make fun of me from mistyping misspeakinges that mean

at the end of the day what the fuck does that mean destiny eh

your community is not worth shitit not worth shit not worth shit there nothing

they got fuck and g over they got surprised by even what son

you think i'm fucking intimidated by you and your community what you fucking think what's a fucking loser nerds

make your fends in person

i w your friends are like the brave to comet me in person too by the way so that must have been the of the crop i didn't get shock a or is it because you didn't have any

unfortunately because i thell i told my people not to come to this modern day debate bullshit we that the co es why would they

true why would they ust why would they crushed hm why would they come to enemy territory fight with why would they come to enemy why they come to enemy territory why would the come to enemy enemy territory u and by the way out and carriedut si i thought they were warriors i thought they were spartans they run from enemy territory against what why pay money to buy a ticket in a fucking hotel to a modern day debate with you

only one fucking debates with you fucking shit on left on the same debate sing you on channels and host you in real life events wk my comy go that fucking event why did you spoort the things that you get invited to do you just not give a fuck about the people that are trying to help you outyeh bur bridges talking about burning bridges somew i fuck and burn bridges really

i bn bridges thats and you want to fuck and gown that fucking road you burn every fucking bridge of every fucking friendship you've ever fuck and had you fuck areship yeah but the difference is ust not on the stream crying about the brig crying you're mistaken you getting fucking roasted in fucking being up punked out is fucking me crying a little bch with the fucking room i right bests not in the the fucking petits can see that

sh look like a little bitch in a punk right now

act yeah reli are we yeah

hows i hoby like the picture of you and it's fucking white p

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yeah

so that so destiny what do you have what do you have over me huh what do you have

what can i take away from you you let other men be with your wife how can i consult you what sonan sys brought us into a conversation where you find it necessary to screech at me for three hours to assert how much better you are than me means that i'm probably doing a lot better than you really a long time comon

you had this a long time commenting at me and on zoom yeah yeah yeah hey desiny desiny guess what i'm roasting the shit out of you i stole your manhood aay you're not a fucking man anymore by the way look like a little punk look like fukinglitle bit hood is stolen and earned mauc that's a logical argument you logic way out logic play your fucking saxophone

bitch you have nothing you know fucking nothing re play a buck and saxphone in the background of the bitch

that would be better than the fucking the vain logic lordin you're trying to fucking through right now i'm quiting little bitch and i have re sats that's your little bitch

what are the receipts that i'm a little bitch the receipts thatk bitch is that in person keep that same fuck and energy the second thing is that you relationship thing wow you know you bend your fuck and son

you're pussy dude you're fucking pussy

and then you look you thirty two year old man anyone ever told you that by the way at least get my age rate is thirty three dude thirty three year old man

thank you and this is what you do for a living

what about mter gl do you like so much

let's talk about that

no i'm good

oh no you don't want you don't want to talk about it

oh no its kind of boying i like listening to scream about how manly you are what do you like about mr girl what about him do you like

i don't have to screambut how manly i am compared to you that's just self evident we're talking about something else much energy you have here in thisy're talking a just giggling awkwardlyny the circumstances have changed you're going to see how i am in real life there weren't any changing circumst well the circumstance met you in real life you were a beta concili a littlek take take me being aman

being so weakness is your fucking problem no that's a fucking problem that's n no tak that's a weakness i don't take being am being not aan being you just tak in your place to take that i w to see one person again i can't come come next week come next week come next week you know fly me out in't be there ok great ok you'll come

if you guys will pay for my fly i'll come

you'll come in person

we'll see if you'll pay for my flight yeah sure ok we'll see i can't wait to see you in person that because you want to see my real energy when you cross the fucking boundary of disrespect like you fucking done and bessy when i show up you're going to be like say something this is hapen's been a little bch you've never been able to insult me directly ever fucking about the courage insulting you directly hang on text you with laughing it off like a little when did you insult me

go watch the stree never directly insulted me never directly insulted me once

not once maybe snide comments which i because that's what's side comments directly attack me the spoken energy i you make your little snide comments i your little bitch to a fucking c never going to directly attack me in personal remember when you kept showing me your phone and you're like oh my god look at all the viewers this is crazy but i

say that

when we were sitting next to each other youre showing the bers that had rarled in ya

i said oh look how crazy the jels are you i've never gotten that bok youre like five hundred six hundred never got five hundred six hundred fuck that was my averagetrah w stupid fuck i wasn't excited about it

brock and lyar

you fucking liar destiny that's a fucking problem desiny you have that's what i understand is taken it for weakness big fucking mistake big fucking mistake s i kept i thk that passive aggressive little bridch instead of getting into your name calling cause now you're going to see a little different side of me going forward destiny yeah destiny looking forward to it hi fucker yeah destiny guess what mother fuker you d g g your whole fucking community and all your

fuccan orbiters they're not worth less than my what als so w let's let's get o less what you want to do when you see me next what you want to do

don't worry

no just t let's talk it out right now what do you we're not talking about anything i don't t you what's going to happen talk you what's going to happen's going to happen what's going to happen is you're going to see me like buk youn't like you and then maybe you'll turn awkwardly to the side to pretend that you're talking to somebody else while you're like eyeing me in the p that's that's exactly w i can't wait for you to see the truth so i can't wait for you to see the truth i hope we catch it all on streen yeah

why walk in and you're like you're shooting me those evil eyes catch it on stream you better it's on stream because if it's not i mean that wouldn't be as good right so you better hope it's on stream

oka

yeah

better hope it's on stream

that mean you guys are going to fly me out

it's awesd right

it's got to be like one hundred and fifty dollars ticket it's not a big deal i can't buy it hundred fifty

no i just don't want to donate one hundred fifty to like a fucking m l tanky cause ok you're not coming to the conference by the way we're just going to come to austin

yeah i can find a girl stay with us all way w a bk when i go to your shit o spoking converce i'll find a friend of sayo w i'll come hang out with you for one hour we go to fuck and mcdonald's and eat cry fly me backx week me pay you have to pay for my fuck vacation i'm not sh which if you're not going to buy me the ticket i'm noting to go fuck and see you

k if in destiny shap wants him to do it the to you how about that oh i'm not if youy money it's if you chap is going to do it and then you get the money

if donates me money i'm going to keep that mone i'm by chicken ou little bitch is what you're saying tck dollars you want you want to put some moneyt this you just made a prediction about how it would break down if i saw you in personalgain but you're not actually wlling to test whether it's true or not

i'm not making any threats to you i don't have to put my money anywhere

you're not making you made a prediction you you'll sit there like a bait of fuck and then yeah away so backup back up test it test it see if that whatch is going to happen

i'm not going to pay money going to test because it's not true we'll tell we'll test it in april we see each other in april we don't need to rush see each other in april

i thought you said you were going to the better discourse about i don't know that is what is that

option

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no

the is a last debate isn't the last we went to one of those better disperse events oh shit actually was james event it was modited de bits yeah fuck shit i thought you said you got a reated in april damn

wait i say that are you are you going to go to twitchco

yeah

we'll see each other in twitch com that oka

i'm going to un europe you going to un europe

which is sooner

a lot of excuses that's you want to wait a year to test this little theoryverse

is it i thought twitchconent america was in like a few months

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for me to go to the awtine thing

yeah to come to austin he'll buy it

ho about that mean that give me the dates and i'll see if i can do it

you come the tenth

if i go the tenth i have to leave the night of the tenth

why i can be there on the tenth because my kids birthday is on the eleventh and i'll be in amh come the twelfth

all that i probther come to tlve ok come telve deserk is going to buy you a ticket he said he wants to buy it for you and we're going to'reing to we're going to test person

what do you tell me what you think is going to happen

i don't have to tell you what i think i'll just show you

so what are we doing i like to make plans so are we going to just want to like meet it a ret we're not going to restaurant we're going to test your theory

wehre we meeting

what we done w

not worried i need to know plans what airport a jerk off or two hourd meet at the conference we can meet at a sidewalk whatever i wasn't invited to the conference a sidewalk somewhere

you want me to fly to austin to meet you at a sidewalk some we're not ot with you destiny

we' gon to test he what do you think what do you think we're doing

we're going to test your theory to see if i'm going to keep up the same energy in person i'm a roast to shit out of you in person call you little bitch to your face in person i might keep up the energy until you walk away like a pussy like a little bitch

if you get me an invitedto your conference i'll do it i might know you know s the sent buy your ticket

i'm not going to meet you witht a fucking random sidewalk are you fucking insane

you think wet want to meet destiny now conference

the conference is over you can wh the conference is over you can meet me outside the conference how about that

okay alls they're going to send me the times and the travel rate okay going to send you everything and if you don't show up

everything you just said is worth less than shit

you're full of shit and you admit it right

ok i maybe i guess i don't even know what we're getting up right now

okay

for the record i'm not talking about meeting you in a random fucking street cornererfect

a perfect

circus buying her ticket

it's all arranged

gotcha

hope you keep the same energy too

how are you feeling dude

yeah how are you feeling destiny

feel great

how is

all the people in your life feeling

all the people my life yeh wife was doing pretty good

you think so i might you think so pretty good i think i think her feelings are kind of hurt a little bit sometimes

that's what i think she's a human being yeah i imagine and i think you're you're the cause sometimes i think you're the cause of that and you cause a lot of unhappiness to the people around youbly are feeling sometimes yeh that's a lot happiness to when you get old enough to get in a relationship ex wife your ex wife is a very unhappy too

do you don't even know who my ex wife is

interesting

you don't even know what her name is dude

interesting

uh huh it is

interesting

but i think they're pretty unhappy i would you all the name of my what do you think the name of my ex wife is

i think they're pretty unhappy

do you think so i think everyone w's ever been in your life

who's uh made the mistake of for whatever funcky this is

maybe i can't understand them because you know how i you know how much of a beita fuck you sound when you're trying toct like you have all the secret info on me and you don't know shit about me right

then you're confident then you're confident anying w you're going to back away run away from me don't w worry

uh huh

why you sound nervous you sound nervous that i know something

do you think if you keep saying i sound nervous it's going to make me sound i think i think i think most public life on this platform and even i know that you don't know my ex wife

listen baitamill steve

mhmm

nobody gars a fuck

tiny you're keeping up this peter pan syndrome shit while the world is collapsing around you

interesting

your fuck and failure of a streamer your failed career failed everything failed career twelve yeah so why so so much bigger than you in general

i don't know why do you think he's bigger than me

i think it's because he does what you try to do better than you

so why is he so much bigger than you

because he's been here longer

that's the so you're telling me that in two or three years you're going to be where hassan is now

quite possibly

you want to bet money on that u s d not rules

sure

ok how about in three years

if you're breaking ten thousandur viewers i'll give you one hundred bucks

not one hundred

you don't sound very conprex san and india are fighting in disputed territory fk in disputed territory there is a reason reason why shiingory there's a reason why

the reason iscause that's not even the way war is fough anymore after fucking world war two dums agree exactly yeah geography is but that doesn't mean the fucking landus are obsolete in this day and age symmetrical land ruers ukraine or russia

what's u

if no planes are in the sky who's doing better

what do you mean whato planes were in the sky

if no planes are in the sky who's to whion planes an not inous sky

not over ukraine yes they are yes they are silly not they absolutely are not yes they arely not yes they are inandian planes that are attacking convoys right now that's especially that misary analysts's simply it's bh it's thirty mile long convoy that was the brunk that they said they were taking out but it's not airplanes it's drones they're using

o the drones

they're not airplanes you fucked idiot

that

gets outnumbered on twitter by left hoid still one candy for telling truth

fall down seven times stand a pain

thank you so much voydburn

and never fuck and forget it never fuck and forget

who's carrying this fuckonshit cause i'm going to tell you

there's no fucer community anywhere like this

thank you bth rab appreciate way with their fking lies for so fucking long they've been getting away with it they've been getting away with their lives

with russiagate

whither scapegoating a group

for being responsible for all turmoil and all problems it's the same pathology

and haf they have their way it'd be the same result

racism against russians is already being accepted there's institutions in europe

that are starting to band stll stoy

genocidal racism

they want to engage

in erasure

of russian culture

they're trying to erase russian culture in general

they hate russians

russians tried to join the west

and the west said no we hate you because you're russian

and this is why russia goes down the path that it is

that's right i'm semanitic i come from a semanitic speaking people

anti semitism takes many forms

not only one form

david fisherman on the nuclear thing in fact checking ok you provided a more reliable threat

david fishman

the ukraine nuclear power plant

zaporzesia it has russian design for one thousand reactors