DEBATE: American Schools Going INSANE?

and

this is basically the topic is

sexa that in some of the especially the controversial sex sa because nobody nobody is like going to you know

be i don't

very few are going to be upset about sex that in terms of like here's what sex

means

but we're talking about some of the stuff

that in some of these curriculums there's like hey wall what is fisting in rim jobs and all that

as well as

h you're you're h

this teacher that

is from

canada who has been getting a lot of attention recently

es that makes sense

yeah like the one that looks really crazy i'm live right now by the way

but you' got it

but yes

the all good ok cool

so yeah we'll kick it right over you both infrared as well as lab

and thanks for being with us

the let's see i'm going to go on for that cold open

first i'm going to just

do a quick

start to the stream to make sure we get a smooth connection which i think everything will be good but

to be sure

and i'm going to go on the'll say hey wed toay we're debating whether or not public schools are depraved and we're starting

right now with lavan infrared

thanks so much for being with us the floor is all yours and who would like to go between the two of you who would like to start

you can go

i been in fred great

so i'll say we're starting right now with infrared and lab

and then all even give a little bit of context because a lot of people are kind of like wait deprave don't even know what that word means

so let them know what that means

in terms of what our actual topic is

and then i'll kick it right over to you infrared and then you know lab you can go

as well right after infrad

all good

thanks for your patience folks all right here we go

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to

one ready set

everybody say we're debating whether or not public schools are depraved and we're starting

right now

with

infrared and labs opening statement taking the affirmative position want to let people know in terms of the topic

this in particular is referring to at least two subtopics one

such as controversial parts

of sex ed programs that have been in the news as of late

such as teaching kids about fisting or rimming as well as the controversial teacher

from canada

pictured in the thumbnail and with that thank you very much

laban infred in particular in fred the floor is all your

yes so i saw that video of that that woman

and

i have to say she got fired i think she got fired for it i hope

it you good f it

no she oh my god yeah

so you know i don't i don't really know

what's gotten into you know the common sense in this country but

you know just from face value i mean that is obscene

ok that is just not appropriate for children

and i know there's going to be a lot of ways to spin this in all okay hypothetically blaw i mean let's just take it at face value though right is that it

is that same for children in this country to be

going to school and having a

you know these missiles in their face like that

you know these these cannons that are

obstructing

and uh detracting from the learning environment i mean okay and all jokes aside

it's

you know there's got to be some level of ok

this is confusing the youth

and the

this is

just

plainly obscene i mean i you know i is that the angle i'm coming at this

right

it's an obscenity

ok

there's such a thing as something that's not technically illegal

or like

formally prohibited

but from the perspective of common sense and basically like common morality

like yeah this is obscene there's no other country in the world that would allow a teacher to look this way

and present themselves in this way in front of children

so you know i just

i think it's self i'm going to make an argument appealing to

obscenity the norms basic norms our society has

and by the way

although there is an elite number of avant guard leftists

who will justify this

the majority of americans still consider this obscene so i think the real debate is

should this be forced on the children of american families

in the name of some abstractly contrived principles

or

should people's basic

sense of obscenity

be respected

so that's

what i have to say

you got it we coak gre it over to lab

um i think h

more so than talking about this woman or man whoever they are

that that

did this maybe for a gag or maybe who knows why they did it who knows why anyone would do something like that it doesn't happen very often so i don't want to fear monger about it

um but obviously we should nip that in the bud right like they shouldn't have a job anymore um

but more so than that what's more important to me is talking about obviously sex education and

i'm pro comprehensive based sex ed

but i am definitely pro making sex at more like how to prorevent pregnancy in s t d sort of thing rather than like a

how to pleasure a partner 're talking about things like rimming or getting into like specifics that's a conversation that you should be having with your parents

um

or just

figuring it out

on your own as you experience life in your own sexuality and i don't i don't trust anyone to have a conversation with

my kids besides me

and i think that should be the standard

you got it

and with that we're going to kick it over to the no side as well but want to say a couple of things first

in particular but it' your first time here at modern day debate want to say welcome 'or glad you're here no matter what walk of life you are from

no matter how far politically left or right you name it

we're thrilled to have you with us and

as you know folks

about a week ago we had a debate where the train pretty much went off that they didn't even go off the raks the train

exploded in flames we had a discussion

in particular on trans issues

and it basically turned into a

giant debate between alex stein and polly people

you have asked for a more sincere

dialogue on the topic and so tomorrow you asked we listened

we're going to have sean last and taft has

april

they're coming in for a very sincere discussion on whether or not

it should be allowed for minors

to transition

so that's tomorrow night you don't want to miss it it's going to be a quality discussion

it is going to be a very civil discourse we're excited about that it that subscribe but if you haven't beause we have many more debates and dialogues coming up just like that one

with that thanks for much

very much ashley and radical goter for being with us the floor is all your

a radical do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself

ah sure

i so i am radical coder

or is opening statements right so yeah i think i think i actually agree with a lot to what you were saying about like

the reform of section

sex education

i agree that teachers shouldn't be teaching about

remming in class i don't know if they are i saw these like

templates

and i it's kind of hard to like determine what's going on there like

in full context especially kind of someone

like christopher rufo who is

really like a major figurehead

and doing other what i consider really depraved things around the country like

banning c r t which has been successfully done in seven states across

country

ah and at least thirteen more or actually sixteen more

are trying to ban c r t you remember is a very complicated

field of study but largely centrals around the idea that race is not a valid biological category a very weird thing to make a massive

of

wage war against franklin

um

but in terms of sex that i agree we should have comper

comprehensive sex said focused on making sure that

and people when they do end up having sex they are doing so safe

and they can avoid a pregnancy and they have contraceptives that are available to them

um and things like this so and in terms of this this teacher

in canada

um

i don't

i think

initial the first i heard about it

i heard people arguing oh she's not really trans she's a pervert

on i don't that

i think she might not be

real she might be trans in that she technically is identifying as a gender other than the one that she was assigned a birth

which is like the definition of being trans if se meets that qualification

i don't know if this person is

actually doing like a hoax

where there a

trying to go as over the top as possible

for point i think it is a difficult line when

like

what is the line of how big someone's boobs are allowed to be in class and

like my my initial reaction was like if

if she

where's this only during class that's weird

and if it turns out that it was a hoax

and that's actually what's going on and that's way fucking weird

and that it especially by the standard that like

that the people the most of the people critiquing this are coming

so

m

all right i am ashley a k smashley a k not your everyday ashley

um

i i also do kind of i

unfortunately like for this panel like i'm also pretty middle ground when it comes to sex

sex education in school

i do agree that it should comprehensively center around safe sex

um i also again i wasn't able to find a lot of literature research actually

backing up or proving or or talking about whether or not they're they're actually teaching rem jobs rem jobs and fisting and things like that in classes

um i guess the point of view that i would take would be kind of um

with

with the teacher in canada again

um

i wonder i don't know again because there's not a ton of bit literature information on the internet about that we were talking about that earlier but i

i wonder almost if this isn't a statement to kind of provoke or start this conversation about transitioning identities and whether or not that's ok

like part of me wonders if if she did this

she not he if she did this i

it kind of just spark that conversation and get and get people talking about it in which case

m

i can kind of get on board with that because it is sparking a conversation right now

especially in light like here in america you know back in march of this year to santas in florida where i'm from

pass the don't say gy bill you know

i wonder if it's not directly correlated to that and and if so i'd be really interested to see if she ever

came out and actually talked about that and

but yeah as far as as far as just doing something to to uh to just gain attention or views or

controversy i don't think that that necessarily belongs in the school system

however

however

if this is to spark a conversation about

transgender

students transit transgender teachers

and then sex education and jet and general and whether or not we should include

um you knowq plus community in our sex education then i'm all for it

you got it

we can jump into open dialogue we might as well just as specifically

dialogue on the person in namely kyle kyla

lamoo let me know if i'm pronouncing the last name right right it sounds like some of you guys have read what i what i read

this teacher

in particular we'll talk first about this teacher whether or not this would be inappropriate

or would it will just even go like straight down the line would everybody say like no its like it's not a problem just if you had to

bite the bullet and do a yes or no

well i'm kind of curious where you'd all stand ashley would you say

like yeah no problem more i feel like if it distracts

from the actual education of the children

then it's not appropriate

i don't i don't think anything should distract

from their learning

however i do err on the side of

it does spark

the conversation that we're having now

and i can get on board with that so

i know that's kind of contradicting myself but

i'll prom

perry area

got it radical quodter

i think that it

it

and if it what if it is a hoax then this is very intentional

i think it's like

it's on it's done aline in a way that is like

difficult because

it seems like most of the arguments that might be made a bout it about this might also be made just for like

any other trans teacher who could have like best breast implants or something

like when i see a lot of people critiquing this a lot of what i hear

our critiques about like

how about it being anatural about like

and about basicallym them being transfersd

and it seems like if that's the if they fire this person

and that becomes the precedent

then i think that that we might see a lot of just

like trans teachers catching strays here

like who just don't deserve that and that's that's going to be a problem so we have to like

really decide like what is the what is the line

and i don't know that it's a difficult question

i don't think we need to ask that question i think this is like

you know

come i mean what is the line i mean

you know why i don't even think this should be debated this other person saying oh it's going to spark a conversation

what conversation do children need to be having about that

absolutely obscene and insane display of

you know just mad just insanity right i mean

the the like the fake the like

the boob cage that this person is wearing is just like so obscene that it's like i think that it's very different than like

having boos in your shirt as a woman and being a teacher and like it's the nipples are out like obviously i don't i think it

you should be wearing a bra when you're a teacher don't think that there's so much that went wrong here that it's like a

yeah it's ridiculous and i don't think that yeah i think that a lot of trans women teachers ok don't have a problem being appropriate even if i i don't think that you can speak on behalf of any trance people laugh

i can

i can i can i can speak on behalf of the

i can't speak what be have w what is that way because because let me tell you why because let me tell you why

because even in law

there's no there's very often there's very rare that there's going to be something called bright line rules

you a bright line rules like ok

if you cross this line it's over

usually even in law people rely on common sense

it's up to the judge's discretion it's based on you know basically use your common sense

cannot be abused

of course it can be abused

but if we're going to be a functional society

we have to have a we have to have the bare minimum

of having the same basic common sense when it comes to things like this and if we can't have that

we can't even be part of the same society anymore and there needs to be secessions or something because

seems like one half of the country can look at that and just

unambiguously say

hell no and then the other half of the country you can look at that and say

well

i actually think we should the mathematical calculus of the radius of the t t s

is not quite as expansive as

you know i mean i's like why is there a debate about this right if we can't also why can't sust people talk about trans people

an i can talk about them but you can't talk about their points of view

can i can't i can't he literally i can't say i can't realk i can do it because it's inductive on no i emanuel category

are not overwhelmingly doing shit like that

like there's not you said

we could replay this one eier

okay

well i would just say from the trans experence i want to give you a chance to respond actlely because there were a number of points from

both has and lab

in particular has is going for a while go ahead ash if you'd like a minute or two

to clarify the what i took offense with lab was that you said i don't think that most trans teachers are trans women that are teachers

what blah blah blah

that in my opinion is something you did last time i was o a debate with you were in my opinion i don that would be

that is true that is like true thy so much

branded p to get outy full minute without interruption go a

my opinion that is you speaking onbers the stream you branded people that you are not a part of

and i don't i don't agree with that and i don't think that we should do that

nos to what you have to have that point of view in the community absolutely one hundred percent it is necessary

so actually you're completely wrong about that martin luther king jr actually appealed to natural law as the foundation for his reasoning

of defending civil rights

which meant that according to martin luther king

he was actually appealing to not only you know something nt like divine or whatever but

something intuitive within every each and every one of us that from a common sense perspective

if we knock all the bullshit out of the way and all the convoluted racialistic prejudices

deep down all of us see that it's common sense that black people should have equal rights as white people

that was literally the form of reasoning that he appealed to and that he used

as the legal justification

or civil rights and finally you said something that

we cannot speak on behalf of trans people's feelings i beg to differ because according to emmanuel cons categorical imperative

i

the ability for there to be morality at all in the first place

entails the fact that yes we can all speak for everyone's subjective point of view when it comes to a moral perspective morality i apologize but do you believe that being transgender is not moral

a

i can speak on behalf of all trans people is what i'm trying to say i can speak for their point of view

what does that have to do with morality

in your well you well in your opinion

well because if we're speaking we're speaking with intentionality and intentionality is inherently

and

moral

in nature it's qualitatively moral human will intentionality

as a moral quality by nature

and according to emmanuel cont our actions are universally connected

by you know the categorical imperative which establishes the universal and social basis of morality

so therefore you're wrong anyone can speak

anyone can speak on the beh silence

and i want to speak onf of trans people especially myself because i'm smarter than everyone here

besides james because he's

so true odd

fl

any other thoughts on this topic in particular

and

i i

i just i don't i don't feel the need to fear monger over something like this it happens so infrequently but i also think that there's a big element also that like a

i think it's also rude for even if the boobs weren't big like

to to cross dress as a woman like for what reason are you doing that and

in a school

and for what reason

it doesn't wor

what if you're there what if they're like the now genu see this see this is if they're in genuine thats ross no no if the're general genuine pross ining and i like we sed you sae cross i think trans people are just cross

so like when you say that what is but there's obviously like a scientific

basis for like them not being cross ressors not necessarily on hormones or like

like there are ther there are others like like the brain scans or whatever people talk about but like that's not no i'm talking about you like trans like transitioning like medically

or who have transitioned to like where they are now like but you can so

like a woman on their id

you should you can do

sure but then you would also be a woman on your id so it would be like a caricature of a woman it would be just that you are a

the trends of people that haven't medically transusted transitioned a caricatures of women

ah

no

but i think that there's like a

i

difference between

medically bs transctionll versus

like someone who is just calling themselves a woman yet

so then we get into is transsexual inherent identity within yourself or is it based on your genitalia

i think it's

based on like more than just your genitals but i think that

if you are

li if you're existing in the world as a woman

becaus you look like a woman then you are

i think that gender is an external experience

okay

but you can say you can say that you live as a woman but if you're like six foot five and look exactly like a man you're like not living as a woman

think younut

all right

but

i mean

y other thoughts on this issue

what about i mean well i don't want to take sides so i can't

i'm going to just let you guys go

in particular the sex ad issues

whether or not any of well is it too far

if

students are taught about things like fisting

or the old riom job this is bad or is this actually kind of like ay if they're consenting what's the big deal if two seventeen year olds are taught this

and consensually do it like

where do you all stand would you say like he

fasting in

rimming no problem on public schools or would you say like

oh i do think that's too far

i do

i think it is too far and especially in terms of like curriculum but but here i also think that like

if teachers are going to be doing comprehensive sex sed then they should be prepared to answer questions that might come up about stuff like that

and if this

if this like pamphlet is preparing them because these are like real things that

a lot of people do

like and their students might have questions about these things

and you know what like

what

where is wh we're talking about when you're having a car like sex sed

h especially at like almost at like it like

sixteen seventeen which mean the example you guys were just talking about like

i don't know i thk i think it's like

it's probably good to be able to tread the water there and like a youndge like hey like

yet there are safer ways to do these things and they are not safer way there are less safe ways i think it's really important

but i don't think it should be taught like yeah yeah ok soon so in your own words on where do you cross the line

know like i probably a lot of people draw the line at like

pleasure

based education

like and i think a lot of people will yeah i think a lot of people are like all for

you know teaching your kids how to like abstain how to

it it like respect something like consent

or how to protect yourself against some wane of pregnancy in s td

um

and i think

but i think that there's there the debate starts because

i think a lot of these conversations obviously should be happening

with your parents

but there's also a lot of parents that won't have these conversations with their kids and so they're going to be the ones to

fallter the crowd of kids that don't have parents

that's true

but i also don't think that a teacher should be doing

like i think that doctor should come to school and do sex at like i think that should be part of clinical route

and then you pay interesting that's very interesting

yeah and then you can ask as many questions as you want it's like with a stranger so it's like less shame involved and maybe it should be more like

yeah but like how did six ed

but the question is what is so rotten about the sex saed system

that it's become a loophole to teach children about fisting

we don't have sex sed systems in the states like there's not official sex yeah but like what what why why you know you know there's a there's a whole debate about sex there's like the

religious riight is saying no this is the devil

and then they're saying oh no we should teach children

but like how can you really make the case when you're like now debating about fisting

right doesn't that really give ground

to the other side that saying

you know what

forget all of this this is just

gone too far

and for red to clarify that none of us

have agreed on this panel that teaching about fisty and m jobs is acceptable sef

i think we're on the same pach there but yeah but this this the coder guy

did you ban me from twitter by the way

but uh he

he basically was alluding to this idea that

you know i

that oh yeah but we should tread the waters and like we should

teacher should ask

answer the question n no i didn't siny i didn't siny teacher should ask i said teachers should swerin quest tions from studyeah i think a st rases their hand and ask about the rim jobs and fisting

the teacher sitsd them so the to run away

they have to have an answer right

no i know that the mae that's the answer the the teacher or the doctor should say you know write everything down that you have questions about as you're in class and then go to it with your

y

theoretically having a doctor come in and teach sex that i don't think the should talk about it with

honesty i don't wt just t hear about ashally parents but ashley

theoretically i think that that's actually a fucking brilliant idea really

the problem is

is how are we going to how would we ever implement that you know what i mean i s wen we implement cltic the same way we implement like cltical hours

or the same way that we implement like a resident have you ever worked in the medical field because i have for thirteen years

uh i dated someone who was

in the

medical ok i'm just telling you right now that's not going to happen and then and then my parents and grandparents are both schoolteachers for public sal so then well we should have doctors start organizations

specifically for this that we can maybe we should how do we get them to do that a why is it necessary w we create incentives

we i mean on why didn't children need to know about

that stuff

what because kids because kids have sex i

fisting and rim jobs why do children g yahh i'm pushing back because you said it was a brilliant idea to askr

why should they ask their parents i saighd it was a brilliant idea to have doctors come in so this is the problem this is the problem in for why sos be asked that question infrared infrared with things like porn they're going to learn about it anyway so would you rather learn no i'mre banning a it i'm for bad with you i you but but we don't live in that world yet so int then

these kids are going to have questions and you want to prepare them instead of just leave them in that honestly that's like that's like saying all right we ban heroin but oh they have questions so shoot up the needles there's you know there's programs are you are you pro or against their programs

drugs are illegal so

i am fully against drugs

i have to say sometimes i love you and sometimes i

can't stand you

i don't you're a conundrum to me

u n u n most people i think

yeah i empathize with that nshaly

any other thoughts wait on one thing that came up that i'd love to hear about your thoughts

the alleged don't say gay bill that di santas put forward i don't know if he calls it that

so i don't want to take a stance on it myself but

whatever this bill is

what exactly did it say and is it a reasonable bill

or would you say no this is unreasonable because it's pushing too hard

in terms of not allowing

things that should be allowed to be said

i think it's very reasonable actually

i think i

that

one of the great things that we want to define what it is first would you like to define what it is that yeah he's basically saying you can't talk about sexuality to kindergartners and i agree with that

that's not what the bill is actually at all

well

i respectfully disagree

and the have to any part of it

tc but that's not like the n i think it's an important part

i think it's an important pt

ok so get grades k through twelve

are not in many states many a majority of states and florida are not to sext at all but

they're saying that

in grades k through twelve we can't even mention or utter the words

homosexual

lesbian

gay

heterosexual

or transgender right so these none of these

so these people exist and like like we shouldn't like liight of children about whether or not trans and gay people exist like that seems likeight like really mal yeah but like i had a very you just long lgically i us a thingk do we if we talk i think that we should talk about things like in all sex it should just be like an gendered

like i don't think that we need to go into like the ins and outs of homosexual sex or heterosexual sex just say

if there is penetration in an aanus or in a vagint that things that you need to protect yourself that doesn't need to be discussed at all actually none of that you know

no it ises not

just saying

yeah but you know like in a school setting why should that be discussed right in a there because we need ildre because there are convers so imagine you're like a gay kid and your parents like are not going to have that conversation with you

but you still need to learn how to you're going to engage in that sort of sex you're just going to because you're going to you need to find ways to protect yourself from hi b to protect yourself from other things to protect yourself from microtears to protect yourself from yeah i don think that you know there should be there should be hiv prevention manual that you should go get at the doctor's clinic

get it out of the schools

doesn't belong to schools

maybe doctor when by the way not a not all gay people do that shit by the way some of them just don't do that

not all straight people do that shity theerre much point

why would more straight why would straight people do that it's disgusting why wouldy some

the melty spot is the the but

all i'm saying all i'm saying god really did a st i all i'm saying is leave the children alone all children have to really know

is how reproduction works and happens they don't need to be taught anything the wens draw the line and forrad where do you draw the line how do you describe to them how reproduction happens and ouw it works

m you know you basically you basically just

use diagram you don't discuss pleasure you don't discuss why people are doing it you don't discuss the motivations you don't discuss

the

discuss any kind of s t i prevention

uh in school and discuss condoms

in schools

well if you're teaching about reproduction

reproductive howth would you not want to teach them how to prevent that

if they didn't want to reproduce i think we need to have a society where we are telling children not to be having children before marriage abstinate

ok

yes so we should just te that work so

wait so you you're you're uh

you're asking for like just abstinence based sex at like asking them to not engage

well you know first of all sex said i mean no one ever pays attention in that class

wen it know so they do and we actually know that teen pregnancy rates and su rates go up in places like the bible belt

don't yeah but that's because that's because they think condoms are sinful and shit that's not really because they

no it is it's because it's because all the teach you but you are not you tell you're not even allowed to teach about contraception

i want to jump into a question on who can blame them when the people are distcussing fisting now

the fting thing did we all know you want to be fted and you're curio here really don't rt it out you're on it i'm just shocked that this

de said can we clarify the age group for the topic james appreciate you asking that you because i did not do that they said are we talking about high school middle school or elementary school

so i think that

are you not aware that i'm talking

so

the idea here is what age group are we talking about here so

in terms of sex sd what age group would you all say where would you draw the line

is it useful that sex ed could be taught

at high school middle school or high

or the

ementary

ah definitely would have to be high school perhaps eighteen and up

so in terms of

like when we say sex that we're talking about a really really really broad

like so an entire field right and so like yeah we should be able to teach like like young kids like hey this is my no no square like don't

don't want people touch you there like shit like that like that's technically like qualifies under the umbrella of like sexual education and but it's about you know prevention of sexual assault

m so stuff like that's really important and that should be implemented as young as possible

so from there you scale up with age and yeah

i don't know i don't know exactly yeh you know but better than it does now so does utah because there's also other ways for example

children can be scared

like you can bring a pastor

he said you're going toh in that kind of shit

ll

no it doesn't

in some in some cases it does

in some but

then some not sure yeah but that's not that's not super reliable but anyway it's the question

i think that in like fifth grade

and we should have conversations about like women understanding their menss there are so many women i know who are twenty four and don't understand the phases of their

of their mensis or their cycle i think that's a port i think that more women should be able to learn how to track their period without birth control because i think birth control bad for you

ah

but yeah i think that there should just be more emphasis on that or like more emphasis on how to and maybe this is controversial

but like safe masturbation

m not teaching a kid how to masturbate but teaching them you know

your body is going to have urges to touch itself perfectly normal

to make sure that they're not like feeling shamed because of it don't go into it and just say don't hurt yourself obviously just don't put yourself in position

where you're going to hurt yourself at

best bet and then it that could be the end the conversation

about that

um and then when they're in sixth grade i think that you should especially in like lower income areas we know that um

and children are engaging in sex like much younger so probably put an emphasis on sex and

you know in sixth grade for the sixth grade

yeah we know that we know that in impoverished communities people are having sex like

as young as like thirteen

so i think that we should prepare them for

for a

yeah having sex at the age that they're going to have sex at

so with when it comes to the sex at laws actually aor the curriculam that we're talking about

typically in most of our in most states it's from kindergarten to third grade that it's completely banned right

and then from third to fifth grade that they start kind of introducing or implementing healthy relationships and healthy partners and what to look out for not to look out for

and this may be controversial of me but

i i am i am all about what what coder said about the no no squares starting very early reason being

this is anecdotal as well but i have a very close friend and close family members that were

females

a and males

sexually molested at a very young age that didn't have a good home life for parents that

that taught them or implemented any of this into their everyday conversation or any conversation whatsoever

and and i think that

so in my opinion from kindergarten to third grade

i think it's completely appropriate to broach and touch on the subjects of

what we should

look out for as far as a sexual predator that might that might happen to you

and then from third to fifth grade we can talk about what healthy friendships

look like

and when you start to develop hormones and what that might feel like you know

and then from fifth grade up i think that it's completely appropriate to delve right into sex that

and i agree with labs

surprisingly

uh about the minsis there's a lot of uh there's a lot of uh

i think even i think though even boys should be taught about female nmraes

i agree

yeah

w why it about the menstrual cycle is that we said

yeah that is memory preventing preventing pregnancy is a two way street so it's not just up to a woman so so i don't i don't understand shame is a very powerful tool yeaes some kids some kids anyway some kids no i'm serious some kids will do heroin

but you're like considered a weirdo if you do heroin in six grade and you're like oh that's the fall in side why are you comparing heroin to sex i'm because because itscause it because first of all sex is dangerous

it's psychologically damaging

it's psychologically damaging at a young age

it's dramatic you're not ramatic or it's one of the most light everything in life is about sex it's the most

life changing traumatic

thing that life revolves around r was everything go church young children have you had sex before

i'm thirty and i have i haven't ever

but

when you're

when you're a young child you shouldn't be allowed

to allowed be gam going to be allowed to gamble with your psychological safety

and psychological well being

know that you're you know that young children are going to be put in situations where they're going to have to make it

decision or understand whether or not

this is ok this is not ok right there needs to be there hones se for you if you're someone's parent

if you were my father

you you would err on the side of abstinence don't do it don't this don't dot

well what if i what if i get a

coerc groom

right

touch

somewhere and i never had any kind of education from my own father

let alone you know or from the public school system let alone my own father so hod on the you're talking about two different things you're talking about someone getting abused

and then you're talking a what happens all the time ok ok that's fine

but then you're making the transition from ok

how do we prevent child abuse i'm fine with that conversation

to

how do we teach children to have sex

well' aboutly what you were saying earer so there are things that i was a kindergarten teacher i was a preschool kindergarten teacher there are things that we like teach kids that aren't like necessarily explicit but like

if someone does something to you takes a toy or like

you know tells you not to tell anyone something an adult says this like what are we going to do and it's like not sexual based just sort of like personal boundary base which i think is really normal

but i don't

i don't necessarily think we should be teaching case through you know

fifth graders like

about i see what you're saying that riight on the roan that that that kind of all falls into

sexual education

no it doesn't you can't use

trying to prevent abuse as a loophole to teach children about this thing

ok that's what you're trying to do and you can't do that you don't really get that you're looking forle you're looking for you're looking for loopholes

yeah you can teach children hey stranger danger

don't go near the van don't go near strangers

forget about all that stuff anyone ever tell you your it's your uncle it's not just about you're ok ok your mot it's not ok ok say i say say not first of all your parents are supposed to be the ones that teach you

right anyone touches you in appropriately makes it that's the parents job first and foremost

i don't know what a teacher can teach children that a parent couldn't

what if my father sexually molested me

you know what i't i don't i don't i don't buy this whole fucking trauma bombing on fucking debates i don't know who the fuck you are

keep a fucking professional don't fuck air out all your personal trauma

it's so funny like that re andotal oh yeah let's just re let's the alk aut all of our personal let's jt weaponize all of our personal traumas to win the fucking internet debate

do you have any fucking shame just to yourself a far i feel like you've been fisted before

ok wow

rem

yikes

this might be an opportunity we do have some of the questions coming in that are kind of related to the topic at hand

one from south is why not get rid of sex education in schools and allow doctors to handle it at annual physical

you want to take that one laugh

uh a sorry ask one more time what was the what was the question

yeah they said why not get rid of sex education in schools and allow doctors to handle it at annual physicals that children go

that was another thing i was going to bring up why does it need to be something that's not just like you know

just with your doctor when you get a physical when you're thirteen when you start your menss i think that should probably be like a great time to

have a conversation with your doctor

that can be a really long conversation with your doctor i think that sex that usually happens over the course of like a couple weeks

and that's like what's good about it

it aren't mothers supposed mo reolution their daughters about that stuff and also in farents and some people don't have mothers

yeah but that you're talking about such rare exceptions

no you're not my question

why are we living in a society where it's the tyranny by these marginals

why we have a tany of as a conservative i'm sy label yourself is that as that you think that there is like a death of the nuclear family so would you think that like there's actually more people who can't talk to their parents

i still doink i still think it's the norm that people do have mothers they can talk to them about

that's the norm

i don't know how you would get that information just he because you feel that way

yeah pretty much

and i pull back to the darkness like an your physical thing i think that i like i like the idea i think i

i man i met a loss i was where i was going to go with it

i like the idea

um

oh i'm sorry but if it feels like maybe with that solution we're just kind of like kicking the can down the road with like the real question because because then the question just kind of becomes like ok well

what age is it ok for the doctor to teach about like these things

and it'sll it's still the same questions just like i get a different educator in a different context and you know maybe maybe a more ideal what maybe

a more ideal one yeah but such a disconnect when you talk about when you talk to the guy like i'd like to hear codter finish his statement plase

right that was that was about ith i was interrupted but i think that was i mean i could detect on the conversation when this talking is about the so that's why

but um you know

so

here's here's the thing though do people like when when the doctor asked you

oh yeah when have you had sex

why i mean now i tell him the truth but

you know when i was seventeen i was just like oh yeah never like why would you

you know i mean like it's a completely different universe when you're talking to the doctor it's like a nark you're basically talking to like

you know just like

h some like

the government basically you're talking to the feds basically

and i'm not going to tell them my private life right so that's the mentality children have or not children but you know minors or whatever

teenagers that's the mentality they have

when they're doing these

you know the

sinful activities and shit oh you the're taking a gamble right

and you know

that's outside all the feds outside all the authorities i'm just trying to say

i mean like

mayb be the best way to reduce

teen pregnancy is to like

haveving talked about so much that it just becomes cringe

like if the parents and teachers keep talking about it

they won't want to do it because it's just like

yikes like

that's

some of i ark sion

basically when i when i remember yeah yeah watching what theill associate actually actually when it was like they made a start to associate sex with

the authorities so they won't want to rebel

and they'll just be conservative that may be some reverse psychology that should be studied however in the absence

of a program to study the reverse psychology of that

i do not think it's appropriate

that children should be taught

so one in ten sheldren willk

experience

physical sexual abuse in the united states

for the age of eighteen

as of march of two thousand and twenty we also we want to tachers we also had teachers have to have certifications or i had to ha

i had to have a certification to like look for the signs of something like

in childhood sexual abuse because usually it's i mean it's not always

extremely obvious but there are some things like

general neglect or like you know kids will tell you things that are

crazy and you

you've got to be able to like

you're obviously a state mandated reporter to the authorities so

i don't know if i don't know if we need to have like

big conversations with kids

about like

this is how if someone touches your vagina like i don't think we need to plant those ideas and heads and rather just like

if there's anything that you feel uncomfortable with come to me about it and then that can be

so wait is there any data to suggest

it gets convoluted the lab because as a young person

you don't always understand though i especially if you've never been told taught

or it's ever been discussed

what makes you feel uncomfortable because sometimes the sex

touch can make you also feel good

that's veryure sure i think when i so my parents are my grandparents are

raised me and they were very like overly cautious we're jewish we talk about you know you're you're meant to fear the world's very young

and so i had a conversation with my grandparents around like four or five

about like you know the men only want one thing cross your legs when you say you know do all like

don't let men touch you like this is your whatever and i think having that conversation really early actually did like

a little bit of damage to me as not saying then you turned into an only fans girl so yeah and that

yeah there's that and then also you know i hate men

and i don't think that we should i think we should set up young women to hate men a the same but the same fervor that i do i respect i respect that point of youe know lot actually

actually i think i think young women should be very wary of men

and should taught that men are basically like wild animals that's what i would teach my daughter i don't and then

maybe not wild animals but to teach them that there are people out there there wanting to hurt them i was i was n thattually be s i w it's the nature the nature of men you could say it's our society you could say whatever you want

but men are maybe the nature are wild are wild animals especially the nice ones

like the

the cute geeky shy guy that's a fucking serial killer in shit

so basically what i'm trying to say is on

look is there any data to support

that

uh

that the

teaching children to be open to sex reduces abuse

was arguing

he was

i think that common sense would tell you that if you teach a child that when someone touches your no no squere

um it is not good and that you should report that to yeah well yeah that's fine i'm not aguin that's i think that that's just common sense yeah yeah i agree with that but then you started to say some other stuff like oh yeah good point about sach them you know more about sting and shit

i'm not was watching i'm not sying i'm not srolling i'm not trolling

i'm using it as an example of you basically say example that's very poor because i never said that yeah but you are saying we should teach them sirn and if we should teach kids about about fistics

ok ok that's the extreme the extreme but you guys do fallo and i this is bring you know guys you guys do fall under the spectrum you do fall under the spectrum because you're basically saying

i want to we want to teach them how to have pleasurable

sex no one here said that

not one person here sad not never been the told ma i maybe maybe who said in third grade

who said in third grade

you're going to start teaching this shitp man third grade

actually i th er garten throug third grade kindergarten with

he now what the fuck is that man

pause i think that really the disconnect is about like what she's talking about teaching in those grades versus what you're imagining her talking about teaching in those grades right and someody some clarification there

first of all

look the truth is

you've never had sex before

ist

the truth is

you cannot

make an inherently dangerous thing

somehow all of a sudden wholesome

you need to cheat i think you need to want to clarify that are you talking about sex being the inherently dangerous thing i'm sorry it is inherently dangerous ok and and there need so that's why there needs the thing that is missing in our society is shame shame shame

there needs to be a strong

powerful sense of shame

that's promoted

that is a

very direct

black and white line between

sin and morality

i disagree we know that that works with like catholics

who are pedophiles we know that that that stops a catholic priests priests from touching kids

we know that was n s said anything like this

we know that stops people from being fat you know that shame works

ah that's that's impotent shame that's shame that doesn't work

but imagine shame and this is why this is hight because that's shame that's shame that's shame

that's used by like teachers and cringe people imagine if snoop dog came and started shaming the kids

imagine if all the cool people started shaming them imagine if there was a cultual look like that what do you mean by shame like he guys that's not cool or like what kind of shame like like like

shame you know

no i don't know i asked

yeah yeah well it's like basic it's a basic it's a basic human emotion it's a basic human feeling so like how would these people shame

kids

like like ok ok like like be treated the same way as picking your boogers on the corner basically

oh so like you youre grows exactly

ok well i think the

i think that some kids that could actually do that

the

opposite effect of what you're doing because if some people attach their sexuality

tojust something like you gross i think they're just going to become deviants

or the're go or they're going to grow up and have very unhealthy sexual relationships

with their husbands and wives

because you can never disassociate

pleasure feeling pleasure

and shame at the same time

you can't

it's going to happen

you're going to be married

for years here be every child abuse gys have his children wle nagging feeling of

shame

is that what you want you want to wife that doesn't want to have sex with you because she feels ashamed about it

i think he wants a sexless marriage

it blook i think he loo the truth is

well here's the truth right did you have some us

of course but basically you're saying that shame is going to lead to

unhappiness and marriage i disagree

because the more private sex is

the more healthy it is the more public it isre unhealthy you're talk

chaine northwhere go for example for example

if if

okay if you

if you pee your pants in class that's shameful right

should you be mocked for that in class

yes you would be ok should you be you be here yes you should do you let your students like make fun of that like peop hans loser like yes yes i as a matter of fact so

as a matter of fact i put it on the chalkboard every day to remind them

but as a kindergartner who peed his pants in class

and i don't remember if i was made fun of for it but like if i was a

mae maybe maybe i wasn't and that's why i don't remember it but if i had been it pro would maybe feel like shit i don't know w it sth listen the reason that's healthy the reason shaming that is healthy

is because

it's a strict private public distinction nobody thinks it's

shameful to p but it's private it the minute it becomes public is when it becomes shameful

so it's the same thing with sex

ok so so you had sex that

what did you learn about in sex sai did you it abstinence based sex that or what do you basically

they showed me they showed me a seventy nine hundred seventy s

a thing where they were just like

uh

and don't worry masturbation is healthy

that's all i remember

okay

do you think that do you think that it should it's just the woman's job to prevent pregnancy n s stud

i

what what do you mean

like do you think it's only the woman's job to prevent pregnancy

like how much how much like men are deser are desperate these men on your as you know the phacees

of uh of a a menstruus cycle do you know how many holes a woman has

yeah as i was going to say men are desperate out here

you know a lot of men for example they're so desperate that they look up every single aspect of

female anatomy because they've like they

they're so desperate to be in close proximity

still everything about women

and the minute that they get the chance to get someone pregnant or contract an s t d they will because they're that desperate

and that's why women have a very important role

why are they that desperate

is it because they lack an education

on s no it's because the

because that's how fucking works and you know

men are the on t v you're watching nent because no i'll tell you why because men are desperate men are more desperate

because it's hard for it's harder for men to get with women than the reverse everyone knows that i agree with that but why are they out there getting people pregnant and contracting s td s is it due to a lack of education on they don't care even if they are educatedyre probably going to do it anyway becaus they're that desperate

probably ok cool

men are not rational

ok they did they will yeah a man will definitely

where as your data and statistics on this friend

oh oh you can appeal to common sense but i can

you didn't make that argument so i'm asking i am making the argument you i'm going to common sense

there's something called post not clarity

men men could make a mistake is that a scientific term

yeah it is they can make a mistake

and then they look and then they see oh my god

i made the worst mistake in my life

and then you know that's too bad right that's how it works so you

you know that's just the truth

that's just that's that's your truth

we got it we should we should try to teach young men about self control i agree has

because there are uncomfortable urges that people have to deal with and we should make sure they have tools

and the healthy attitudes to manage them effectively and safely

people around them honestly the best way to do that is through culture not through social engineering and people wearing glasses

so social engineering meaning like teaching at schools yeah yeah yeah like like culture is what regular it's all that look the schools have no role in any of that stuff it's all culture

culturrees everything

schools just because the teachers when a teacher stands in front of the fucking class

you know all the kids are on tick talk they're all not even paying attention nobody cares what that dumb teacher has to say

culture determines is soreay so culture culture is like how people influence each other right

not intsing culture not not insertionally not bytionally but no not intentionally but that's how it happens so why would you think that there's not like culture happening like at school

there is culture happening but it's not in the way that you can control the culture that's happening is that

there's a nark

gym teacher sitting in front of class

mouthing off and no one cares and no one's paying attention and nobody

that's not affecting them culturally in the same way a take talk video does

it's not something that you can control i'm sorry

no go ahead

and why is why is the onus so much on schools

what about media what about all like the disney channel and all this crazy shit i think i think we agree that our societyes like over porned and over sexed for sure

but we need to counteract that not by pretending it doesn't exist but by like arming our children with information

yeah you know what i think you would even you would greatly redunce the need for all this stuff in the schools

if you just arrested the media companies that prey on children

okre you're going off on a

what about you do what about you to what about what you to did with spider man with lls about what you to what about what you tuk does with spider man elsa gates

what about with the disney channel and nickolode

we know all these all these companies they prey on children's

this you know opportunity or you the q and a so what is a

folks are guess are link to the description we're going to try to get through as many questions as we possibly can do appreciate them this one coming in from arcade

t's see that one

folks want to remind you we're looking for substantive questions rather than insults

this one coming in from

the batman says why is it ok to teach kids to have sex

in school

which can result in pregnancy or s t is

and yet fisting which

isn't as high risk

for either of those

namely pregnancy or s g eyes is not allowed

ah

what are your thoughts

you to say carm reduction i think that kids are like like

first of all less likely to be wanting something like that because that's more of a deviance that something after comes that like happens after sex most of the time and i think most kids are just worried about like i don't i don't think you're i don't think you're person just going to be just one perst of time la you're done if you're done yeah firsts is it going to be fixing it is fisting but i also think it's just abot like harm reduction

like

yeh

okay gota that

that there's

there's harm from fisting

i think you're saying

yeah like that's and that's like way more safean like a pes is very dangerous my gosh you know i don't knowsres you tell me ok so

er thoughts i actually i sound like you had something you want to say about fisting as well

no no no that was was just i was laughing i said what

what what lab said i said i don't think that the first go to move is to fis someone you know that's that's why i think that it's not not relevant to the conversation of

this atual education if we're talking

i'm sorry

no go ahead

oh if we're talking about if we're talking about sexual education and what's safe for kids

right

i don't again that goes into what lab said earlier actually i can't believe i'm agreeing with with you so much this time but

that goes into what she said earlier about

not

not focusing the education so much on pleasure or

quote unquote deviant or devian whatever i don't i don't want to

what's deviant or not if you like ssting more fucking power to you

but i don't think you're also do

i am a devion but this scen itself is not going to get

pregnant fist in itself is not going to give you her peace

ya the thing is

the thing insid thatter point though is that

i think they're saying that

you

fisting wouldn't give you pregnancy or scys

which are harmful like apparently i don't know i frankly i don't know a lot about the s t is i don't know if they hurt or whatever but

i think they're saying like

fistings a lower risk for sd is which are painful

i'm going to go ahead and say it

facts which is

they're saying it has a higher risk for s t is which can be painful or

unplanned pregnancies that so here's here's the thing here's the thing

sex has nothing to do with health the medicalization of sex is a complete travesty sex is antestdens and some modern science is completely fake

sex is metaphysical it's literally yinion yang it's mysticism it's every civilization every culture and history alld about sexa segment point all human societies are structured around the regulation of sex sex is the most fundamental aspect of human beings even philosophers like slavos say it's lve sex is onthology sex is onthological sex is primorial sex is literally a powerful occult force it has not modern you can't domesticate with modern science talk abou

oh health is health that you know the truth is this thing is say tanic it's just disgusting

you know that you've got to stop with this stuff about oh yeah we're going to just what about the health that it's not about health it's not about medicine it's not about modern science modern science is bake

are sex is the most

one of the most sacreding it's the most sacred thing it's where literal human beings come from every human society has been structured around the regulation

and veneration

and and stuff about it's all about sex everything is about sex except sex itself which is about power als forwhile that's what he said

even in tribal societies it's all about the distinction between the masculine in the feminine energy even even pagan society of the idol worship every single society is about sex for every single like are you pagan

even i abraham abraham excdes the same thing that sex sex is literally the ontological and metaphysical antagonism that is i hard re agree agree why are you talking about it now because i'm saying because i'm saying because you are people's responses oh should we teach children about bvisiting oh no because it's medically helpful no no that's not why we shouldn't do it we shouldn't fucking do it because it's evil

ne fariesus say panic

and just plain evil

and eone can see it's evil but we're going to present it's not evil in the name of modern science no so you're saying thati thisting was healthy we would know that's stupid ok

this

just to be sure we hear it ok i think ashley and lab both had a response i want

is it

do

um well what i was going to say is so if if sex is

like you say and i actually agree with you for once guy's market

on that sex is one of the most important pivotal

important things in life and in society and in all cultures then why wouldn't you want to educate people more about it

because sex is sacred and by trying to domesticate it by modern scientist doing in

you're doing it a farious thing if you want children to truly learn about sex have m read the bible

o there's some crazy stuff in the bible

yeah yeah know yeah the truth is look the truth is and i but you want to be be poetry or skin sex needs to be repressedo this is the problem sex needs to be repressed

to give ground

to human subjectivity

and human art and human creativity and human personality that is the necessary prerequisite now when you try to make sex fully transparent to the gaze of modern science the pyramid of modern science you are basically

bring us into a post human

transhumanistic society or we're going to shed every single fundamental aspect and submit every aspect of our humanity

to these technocratic scientific experts they're going to probe us and dissect thous like we're fucking frogs i'm not a god damn frog i'm a human being

i got to say o

you know no matter how much

and no matter how many things i disagree with you on i really love you man you are you are just you're just great that

you keep keep doing your man that makes one of us this on come a get from you your says i got that one this one from

jupiter darmands feel like there's a lot of alarmism regarding the stuff being taught at school if some of this stuff were really so widespread our kids would be telling us

i don't that's y un really and i don't think that's necessarily true but

i yeah i don't i don't think that my intention at least was to fear monger like i think that this is something that is obviously going on because we saw it on twitter but i don't think it's like

plentiful i know that aloctually more states don't even have sex thatt requirements and i think that's a problem they don't

no

they don't teach a goll revolution

which i find harmful

personal like but

thingks for question this a muriel things much and says i think this came from very early they say to say that voluptuous women are distracting

seems conservative

i think they're saying

oh

i think they're saying that if the trans like

if it's conservative to say that

oh

people should ignore a woman who is dressed with a shapely figure

and the they shouldn't you know people shouldn't tell

the

what's the word they say sis woman

if you can't tell the bile woman

hey you you can't

dress provocatively because

you'll distract people the men will be looking at you you you know you'll

have people looking then

why is it ok to do it to trans peop

i think that we should be able to tell anyone how to dress professionally i think that listen hasses dressed like a slut right now showing his arm showing his chest

all you're doing listen i don't even know your name st laugh be last all you're doing lab all you're doing is giving away your own dirty throughts labh

keep it but i think it's disgusting you with just i know i think you're having lave laugh i think you're having dirty thoughts please keep it professionally making uncomfortable

think of a teacher shoud haveup to school showing his arms it's like o relax like you don't need to be doing all that or like a tight shirt like just dressay last wy don't you have some self control why don't you have some self control

it's so hard around you

i can't do it

it's a there it it's how divinely masculine you are ha

this one from or hys has you got to stream these to your cozy channel ropers love you

uh s what what's his name shot out

apprechate the support

you got it de he says

got that one that was the age of coffee mom says

i have a five year old what do you think he's learning right now

i mean don't have your five ls watching this stream

butll but colors and animals songs the n on all seriousnlis i would i would figure that ot i would be on top of that if you have a five year old in public schoore and now the should i haveve been seen on lives on ti talk

you know you got to find out i'm not even just joking i'm not trawing i'm not just saying that

go find out go to your school

you know i

talk to other parents talk to other you know asp of course material you can ask the course yeah make make sure you know you and i think you can even probably go to school and watch

desprise something to do with

some program like that

you got to figure out what they're doing because you know you may want to pull your kids out honestly hom schooling i would not put my kids in public school should i've been seen on liba i'm glad i have a question

for everybody and this is something that i thought about prior to going on this debate honestly

so the entire top topic that we're discussing right

and if you do have the point of view that that you have kind sir

is that if the parent should be doing it etce etcetera

what do you guys think about then then should that be on your responsibility as the parent to

put your kid in private school or home school

we need to stop paying taxes

now i've always said that

ta why we paying taxes in general and this is no this is this is that absolute most base tape

is that women should be incentivized

to hom school their children their children and child rare

by like something like u b i like government assistance

less women in the workforce means more competitive wages for men and we get to spend more time with their children and have a dual income household

and we don't have to i don't want have to fuck and work ot i want take care of my kids and

and grow vegetables in the back

of my house

i like that stragically but i think we shouldn't

i like i like the strategy but i don't think we should we don't i don't think we have to reinforce the rigid gender rele wh and we know i don't know i don't think that i don't think that it should be i th should i think know this is a choice thing this is like a liberal thing i me it'su should be forced into doing this but i think there should be incentives

to do it and that it should be an option but out there a as a man as a man

as a man speaking on behalf of women

ninety five percent of women

ninety five percent of women would prefer

that way of life

the other five percent a gret the other five percent were basically witches in history and they had culdrons and shit

and they lived outside and a and they lived outside the village casting spells on everyone else

but ninety five percent of women do prefer that it doesn't have to be forced on anyone

but we just need to be able to cultivate a society that promotes that

instead of promoting

ah this idea that

first of all a man should not be wearing an apron around the house

the i said wa all right all right to fin i'm awaaring ap what you're wearing a bit like an apron so thank you justs greg dewer

don't tell me like cloes and shirt

this one coming in

from this that says we got that one david lavar says

another insult

bubble gum gun says yes public schools are indoctrination centers

all right

d more of a state youor

why is every female argument

try this i saw this earlier i don't understand this maybe you guys can inform me what this means why is every female argument

just trying to shame men for not being depraved

sex pass

ok fairly ed forad is every female

just trying to

shame female argument trying to shame men

for not being depraved sex past

why

is a sex past just someone who's like

wanting sex and bugging people for sex that's what sex must i mean look a look leftist i always try to project

their depravity

on i think you upstanding man and i upstanding men such as myself

good men such as myself abstinent until marriage these these evil women like what's her name

lavelines

lavinon havevenelis

she's you know these women are always out here trying to turn good men into

you know basically have to t to yourself b by sir with everyone depraved you know

and the truth is

there's a spiritual shield between me and people like smashley

and lavelinesus

and you know your evil is going to need much more concentrated power than what you're you know it's just not going to work sorry

i'll try harder

you got it this way coming in from yond

nor says why

we got that one

deed says we shouldn't we be discouraging children

from having sex

shuld in other words i think they're saying

could we do the sex sed that we do in terms of like this is let me know j if i'm getting this wrong in the live chat

i think they're saying like could it be that we you know we teach them we explain we say hey you know

we we a

w

if you want to have sex here's how it's done and here's how to use contraception

but hey at the same time we'd highly discourage you

you know we don't think this is a good idea because

the condom doesn't work as often as the

it's not as what's the percentage rate of success and isn't as good as

people say because people make mistakes or whatever i think that's what there's yes and no

yes and no

yes i don't think that we should be sitting here going sex is great guys

uh here's how you do it right

but i do think that it should be a very delicate combination of this is a very big choice and a big decision that has very

serious

ne

changing consequences

right

but i again will go back to teaching abstinence

just doesn't work

highly correlated but in afghanistan is

in afghanistan it works

thank

i don't know if the methods are the same

in afghanistan it works

yeah and there yeah and things are great over there

better than here no i don't have those teachers over there

now you are they're killing women in the street so i think i'm

i love you laug right now thanks

this so i don't know

go ahead if you have a final thought go ahead

yeah so i mean listen i would like to live in a society where of course we're not like sex crazy and you know depraved and poor and brained

but i also like to live in a society where i can like show my shoulders without being stoned

i think

and my hair

on my face

so has can show his shoulders and exactly because i like what he does

this looks are right don't we all ca backs mcdonalds what age though

does the panel think is appropriate for sex to be learned

so specifically they're saying like not

the box that you know we talked about earlier like

teaching younger children like not sex per se but just

here's the box nobody should touch you at

they say what age

does the panel think is appropriate for sex per se to be learned

is it a number or just after twenty five years old

i agree with lab when we went when it around incis which for girls can be anywhere from ten to thirteen years yet so fifth or sixth grade

k i was hare i was know on that note

but in all serious be on the note that's about the time that i remember learning like doing some sex ad and it was mostly about like my puberty like you know all the allth that there was one day all the girls went to the playground whenll the boys in the playground and we covered

why

that

sex is puberty but but

i mean that's like the intro point the are right

that seems like a reasonable thing

totally i also this is another thing

that might be controversial

i think that it should just be like sex

based and maybe you can learn about intersx i do not think that you should be learning about transniss at that age i'd like to agre when you say transniss about what do you mean by transniss

like i like i don't think that you should be learning about like cross sex hormones at that age because i think that kids are like go you just when i like you

was i want to teach chi

for what we at that point they probably already know that something's

wrong they can go to their parents they can go to a doctor they can go to another professional i don't think a teacher is equipped to teach you about stuff like that

and i just don't think that that's something that we should like

just be normalizing or like ingraining in like any kid normalizing

yeah normalizing ok

look i thinkin it is depends on what you're talking about normals you don't think it like transgender o it's not normal it's not when you're twelve years old

it's a very small subset of then sothn empert you do think it's normal when you're say twenty five

what

not when you're twelve years old your words

twenty five you think it's appropriate to teach sex sed so it's not normal when you're twenty five so being transgender t you know what

actually ma it available like online there o villg back in the day to talk about back in the day should be learning about that so young look it's called it takes a sf and when when when you turn

when he turned like eighteen or what i don't know

you know of the village al ady comes around and you know

the basically while they're chopping down trees and shitld they say oh yeah you know hey did you know there's such thing as vaginas

and that's basically how we used to work in the olden times

and you know everything needs to become more traditional i don't know why everything has to be standardized and

it's got all be

that just makes kids uncomfortable and you know nobody

the doesn't have traditional isn't standardized but

don't have an int question they said camet came ax donal ask this ate they also said

is there a reason it could be reasonable

such that girls and boys would learn at different ages

how to have sex

no

because then there becomes like a power imbalance of like knowledge and that feels really weird

i like that answer

gotcha this one coming in from will the pills as panel needs difference between sex

and sexual interaction

they are using the terms interchangeably

is it ok to teach kids about sexual interaction

i don't think that we use that interchangeably i think that we kind of hit on that subject when we talked about the no no squares and teaching and teaching the young children

when it is and isn't appropriate to

to

be interrapted with in that way

education sexual education is going to air more again i'll say

on the side of

pregnancy s t i

ah

things of that nature you know i know i think that was so smashly my question to you was

outcoe in the year

twelve fifty nobody had sex in schools

how come wevive year old

we've been we've survived that long

people you no no what are you talking about and i'm saying i'm saying they didn't

nobody needed sex weirre hot take for one out of time should be having kids

who said that would do they even come in that

that was normal back then

no it wasn't i mean okay yeah yeah yeah yes ok ok listen that was messed up

but

but but but but you can say you can cherry pick that you can cherry pick that

no you can yes you can yes you can y you can you you can cherry pick

you can' thes one problem

he' stares a

has why do you keep equivocating teaching young children anti molestation curricula to hardcore

corn

are you trolling

yes

it was brought up earlier

o i didn't bring it up but this was brought up into the topic i didn't bring it into the top

this one from riight is the problem with

with shame is different people will respond differently

for instance a woman may feel deep shame about what she looks like without make up

i would equivocate that more to a person of thel g b t q plus community might knowl

feel so much shame that they would actually alive themselves

i think that's more relevant

and i think that we should probably have better mental health services before i think that if your kid comes you us like i feel like i'm in the wrong body

then it's your job to like get them to see a therapist

i do agree with that

yeah for sure

deve says the left are the no side is

shaming hases virginity ironic

y yourself

listen listen to i'm

i'm under attack

all because i'm

i'm i'm not

leading a life of sin

ok

you know i don't even i don't even i don't even have sexual thoughts at all like you know this

how many holes does a woman have

now ok

like between zero and point five or something i don't know

but this one flem technically right

s really and sys how does the panel explain the islamic world in sex education

no child pregnancyes there

nor s c d s as common as here in the u s

well

child pregnancy is like a pretty normal they're like under you know itss like pretty normal

in a marriage it's a problem in a lot of places

i personally don't know

of the w high rate of unintended pregnancies in the middle east region is a serious public health issue

is what i'm seeing ok there's there's like backward shit

but like when they modernize they have a strict distinction between children and adults like every other civilized country

ten pregnancy is quite common in the middle east

they had there's backward practices in the some tribal like in yemen or whatever i saw on vice news

where they still have like minors getting married and shit but that doesn't that doesn't persist when people

you know like modern have a basic modernization

so

i disagree and they still have a very conservative culture but they don't

have the teen pregnancies

o ok well i'd love to see some stats on that because

not what i'm reading

super interesting this one coming in from do appreciate your question light of the twin lampsays my coworker is eighteen

and already has two kids

is this a failure primary

primary

primarily on her as the individual

or public education or her family

we i don't think we know enough information from just that fact but i mean it's probably a combination of all those things

r

in theory

but i mean eighteen i'm not i'm not really interested in saying like

like blaming her like oh you can't believe yout two kids by eighteen you idiot

like shaming

like doesn't seem like a solution there i don't know

i think that's a cultural thing i think it also that i think that that happens in like impoverished communities and

in places where they're not like obviously valuing things like a

you know

education or stu and stuff like that and they're just like okay this is what

my mom did she had me as a teen mom and then

i'm going to be a teen mom ands sort of like six

i stepped away for a second what were we talking to did we

did i hear someone mention like

de pregnancy and then marriage with that or

well there was a question earlier was

they said

how does the panel explain the islamic world and sex ad

and they said they claimed no child pregnancies or s t d s there

okay my apologies i i do i do i'm sorry go ahead

then the the next one was michael workers eighteen

and they already have two kids is this a failure

primarily on her as the individual

or public education or her family

i think that a combination of all of thse

actually

absolutely but it depends does

where's where are you from which state that's a huge one to

this one part of the state are you what is your like racial demographic what is your income i think

that'll

well also are you part of the states that that absolutely do not

promote in cdle sexual education

yeah

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this one from chris morlock says every attempt to make sex explicitly formal

makes all the problems

worse

it's a private issue

turning

turning it into quote information unquote

is a fundamental contradiction see that that's the that's the problem the issue is culture right

it's not institution it's not a lack of institutions

it's culture i would admit there's a lot of cultural problems were you know t teens are getting pregnant and all

messed up stofp is happening

but i don't know if that's just because there's

see this ideas the question

is isn't sex education also correlated to things like

wealth

and instat you know

stability in order and stuff

so maybe it's not the fact that people have sex education that they're less like to have teen pregnancies

maybe it's because there's more stability in life in general more affluence

you i know blue areas are more likely to be in many cases that promotes sex ed and that kind of stuff

they tend to be more affluent they tend to be more stable

and a lot of these places left behind the reason these people in these

you know these red areas are so conservative and so christian

is because they're in still in such conditions of destitution and squalor

that they need these fundamental christian values to survive because it's chaoss drug addiction

it's prostitution

and that's the thing that actually

keeps them grounded in some kind of it have some kind of connection to a higher good

and complete conditions of despair

so the question has to be

what is really the root cause of these issues is it simply a lack of institutions

what the chicken it wirre in their institutions

there're so it's a more fundamental issue it can't be addressed by sexual education

is that also is that also something that you came across by common sense or do you have any data back that

i have doubted to back it up

i do this is go aead from do appreciate your question

later the twin last appreciated that james is a

jeeves i would love to have you as my professor of sixd

o thank you i'd take

the co op

says as a blue collar worker there is a general outrage among the fathers i work with

that the sex stuff being taught in schools is out of hand

thought

i wonder what he what specifically he's referring to with that why i wonder if a loaded question

i wonder if they're pushing a lot of this shit in these like

you know poor areas to like

experiment on them like guinea plags

and that that happen is theory moments panic the government the government the government usu ras on the word and the working we the explicit as are guinea pigs

and you know

to do these twisted wild things and there's probably a lot of twisted wild shit going on

and these public schools in these remote areas

so it don't surprise me that it's getting out of hand you know

on unfortunately from my point of view and i hate to say this but i would

i would argue with you there and say that it's more blue states that are probably teaching the more extremist point of view or or the fistin

you know scenario in sex education i would say that the red state

are definitely not doing that so you're more conservative places actually that's not true i not that's not true there's plenty of ca irew i know so yeh like when your case and svers places are have like little to no sex thattor it's not like that's not that's not a lot of these places a lot of these places that you see on libs on picktalk are from rual red states

and that's why that's why it' even brough se this is makes even some mesd situations the way that the only reason the only reason thse w you ont reason those cases are even brought up in the first place

is because

in blue states people are probably too scared to speak out against it because they don't want to be labeled to bigot

whereas in red states you don't give a fuk and i'll just be like what the fark you teach my kids

and that's why it gets publicized i think that you're talking out of your ass right now

oh really

yes yeah i do i don't think we ever like you talk about whs your dat a times and there was never even one like

like there wasing actually bemshshs where's youll do it fine where's your data smash

mm

my dada on why i think that you're talking out of your auns

well it didn't come from ticch tk i'll tell you that

h i have data to back up everything i'm saying

other than ticktc

no no no that's it anden of end of discussion i have data

i have that eah it's in the zoom chat look in the zoom chat i put it in there

threes a bar chart here

sys one to be on brom to pass your ut on the year

i couldn't see its in another language what your name is but thank you for your question says has has clearly never heard of baka

basi

in afghanistan

backa bazi is a sling term in some parts of the rape of adolescent boys

called dancing boys

first of all that was a disgusting corrupt practice that was brought

first by the moujahden government

aliban came and wiped it out

btly eradicated it

and the u s occupation government brought it back the kabul government brought it back taliban came back now and they're getting

wiping it out again so

who do you want to blame for that disgusting

abominable crime against humanity

blame

b

liberal

progressive world and people like smashlely trying to export

wolk values across the world

es i definitely sound clip for everyone out there i love thissting anll sex and raping boys

just the word clear

like i this channel's not here tomorrow foks you'll know why this was theg says soulre we have higher

standards though for hiring teachers

i don't know if they mean i

houses

friend the teacher on the thumbnail or if they mean something else

yes we should but the problem is it state funding

period in of story

and it' werebugs

it's fucking

fucked up the way

it's fucked up the way that they base

how they're going to fund your school also

um

the the the public school system again and i think this is where probably coder and i agree based on his statement earlier

is that the public school system is entirely

irrefutably

thought

ah

but

aside from

sex that

yeah i was just going to add that we have a mass like it is a really really

bad shortage of teachers like and also like eighty percent of educators indicate the burnout is a serious problem only ten percent of educators were like

strongly recommend

the profession to a young adult like these are dismal numbers

um and we i mean we have ongoing teacher strikes all across the country i think we need

we need to find ways to incentivize more people to get into education in general

we need to

to we just need more teachers better teachers and more schools and it not just in schools but also revolutionizing like online learning which which has

you know become something that was was difficult to a difficult gap to bridge during covered and now

andent avies mothers to stay home

and ok also w also need to change the i'm just saying we need to change

the

the way that we go about how we

fund

certain schools

we need to change that

because it's fucked up if you i don't this is a different debate

but if you really look at it

it's

thought

the way the place decide the way the states decide how much money a certain schools going to get

versus another school

is completely corrupt hypothetically i know you can't

i don't know if you can advocate for this but in a hypothetical scenario

what if everyone stop paying taxes that would solve all problems

i like that's actually antithetical to that point yeah iw would how would this how would anything get funded without tax

so without tame we would live in our com

there would be no like social institutions to help people who are like mentally ill or disabled or not being helped there i've been so i go to l a i go to new york they're running around rampton

yeah i live in l a also and i i know people i live no and he social s you you you live in l a

and you're saying these people are being in institutions

they're they're throwing they're throwing buckets of sre not institute not not medical institutions i'm saying there should be institutions the be things put in place like a like government system the system is so corrupt it can only collapse so what do we do so what are you proposing that you know a way to both make hot dogs cheaper and to eradicates popul

but hot doogs are disgusting i don't know what the relion is there but hads of the hot but

tonight

what do i do with them we're not going to do anything with them because the whole government is going to collapse

this is go always rd

anyway this riight bas anarch anarchism

says we are hitting a point in society in which

in some countries birth rates have dropped below the replacement rate

should we really be pushing people towards more birth control

yes less casual set

first of all

casual sex is demonic

a second of all

ya

the solution to more children is more fam

or marriage yes

so i think i think less casual sex in the way that it's been going i think that hooku culture is actually really harmful for like every party involved but i think that we should be normalizing having like a

like more sex with like people we trust so like potentially our friends

no he should only be there

it should only o well i disagree with you

and also i think that birth control is evil i think synthetic hormones are very bad for women

i think that they are a viable choice obviously but i think the best option is learning about your body learning how to track your opulations so that you can prevent pregnancy

and there's something called natural cycles if you're a lady and you're watching this

rare

but if you are a lady watching this there are other options other than obviously hormono birth control if you're having trouble with that most women do

there's other op

and remember before remember if it's before marriage if it's before marriage that you're going straight to hell

i have a good story that go along with that lab so when i was in high school my high school boyfriend and i were we were about to have sex in the back of his truck right

i'm seventeen eighteen at this point

and he wanted to not use condo

right typical

and i said to him i said

i

i think that you guys have all seen me enough now to know that this is probably true

h i said them i said did you know and this is in two thousand and three okay so

i said did you know that twenty five percent of women each year get pregnant by using the pull up method

seventeen year old ashley said that

i get what you're saying but that's not a

formidable

viable reliable

version of birth control

however having said that i know but there's also a fertile window that you could just not have sex there

right

but it does how long can the sperm survive insided so up to four days so up to four days so so pulling out act pulling out is bad than

track

pulling out is bad for male that's whatk from that pulling out pulling out pulling out is bad for men g a there pulling out also when done correctly is pretty effective no no pulling out they don't study s theyve don't study

i have the studies linked and i put it in the zo chat the studies are in the zoom chat

pulling out is bad for men and women's mental health

specially the men

because basically it's a failed conquest

oh my god

incom wen i and when you're you know sex when you're not odulating

great

a great

rates if you if you if they are great but they're not ninety nine point nine a mans all s thiss just more period sex

a man a man a man who pulls out may have not given his seed

to the woman which is cringe a very questionable way but but but

he has given his soul to the devil

tespeially if it's how do you i you fels about period sex i really do

i'll discuss

oh my god

but you brm

anthony beyond he sa you learn about the

this don't worry they're actually this one is on behalf of you ashley

and they are actually coming at has

weill give you a chance to defend yourself because everybody already saw it in the live shot

is their super chat said

hause

you keep referring to yourself as a man but curse a woman out

when she speaks about a serious traumatic experience

you should be the one

shame

first of all this is a completely anonymous place i don't know anyone here

and when you use that as a debate tactic that is just you can't you can't use personal bullsit as a debate tactic

i don't know anyone here you don't know me i'm not going to use them

yes's a it's like a way of trying to win the argument without actually arguing yees you're going to have a debate on the internet with strangers you don't know

you have to keep it cold impersonal impartial

i'm a human being

i am sorry to everyone for any bad thing that's ever happened to them

and you know i'm not good at saying this shit but that's because i'm a stranger i'm a random guy

you know you shouldn't

you know

look the truth is

this is a debate you have to keep it professional you have to keep it impersonal

that's what i'm saying

my response to that is

it it it was anecdotal

but it was directly

relevant to the subject that we were discussed

directly in a sense that i actually did experience this and i had something to counteract

comment wise to you

based on

a very realh but like i'm not interested in arguing with your experience ando what no one cares if you're fucking interest yeah yeah but like i'm not interesto but yeah yeah but like i'm not interested you

right yeah yeah this is why i'm not this ight not out of time because it's very personal and it's very emotional to you

and i have no business talking about it i was able to speak about me but you're trying to you're trying basically trying to force me to talk about something very personal to you

which i can't do it's that would be in your discussion's not like it's a uneq area yourever a'll now understand that your father

when you were young sorry ok so that so first of all that is just wow ok you really making yourself look good here

look i don't want to wrag ok look at like i said

i do not want i want to debate you but i don't want to have to talk to you combatively

about these like visceral experiences so you ust don't bring it up debate

yeat don't bring it up because it's like

yeah like i don't

you s't me wre you on com you can't s yeah yeah more yeah because you're trauma dumping because you're trauma dumping i'm sure everyone here hasm i'm sure everybody here has traumas

but you're going to use that as a weapon in a debate that's just complete bullshit i me

i grew up perfect

and also i don't know how much how like legitimate before you're like emotional outcurst is hre you continue

i

actually any thoughts

i again

i brought it up because it was very relevant

exact subject to hand

and i feel like his response to it says more about him than it says about me yeah but you may i like you make you just child on your in jokes about child

let's let her finish the sentence and then you can speak

so

uh i think it says more about him than it does me because i was not speaking about it in any kind of emotional

crazy or outbursty way i was speaking about it

very

seriously and very

monotone i was saying

this is my experience

this is what happened

and i am coming from this point of view

having been a victim of this so i do

know a little bit of what i'm talking

now

ok so first of all what you brought up had nothing to do with the debate at the time and what we were actually debating about

now second of all you just made light and joked about child rape

so i think that speaks to the actual like sincerity of where you're coming from trying to smear my character

oh that speaks bad about my character but you're just going to go ahead and make light of child rape

like it's a

so so he so all i'm trying to say here no question yeah i think going to doany

this one from brandon hansen says remember school dress codes

are to protect the students from the teachers

don't get it twisted

think about how many more teachers molest

students

a

solid point

this one coming in from stephen o'cawa says

haz why do you focus on what's taught in public school rather than

it's abolition

maga communism should be defunding everything

that is the real movement

you know what i don't i fund everything i agree he fund everything

yeah i would know more it's not kind of the implication of what he was like what he's

been getting out like i think his position has been like to move your kids out of public or out of public schools as much as possible which

it inevitably is going to lead to them having even less resources and making getting worse and then you can point abut him not you specifically but they have the

republican party and

those are aligning with you on this particular issue they can point and say look how bad everything is it so fucked we need to

give them less resources

and the cycle continues and it's fuck

look

your public school system model has failed so you got to go back to the drawing board beause it's

completely faild

me personally i think i'm orky a lot of people

i think it's worked i i actually know i'm going to kind of agree with him there and for

i think our public system

school system is shit

yeah it is garbage but i think for like the vast majority of people it like is fine

that's not true look how lab turned out

look how radical turned out

on basis far cause you have no idea oh i'm not included this time because i agree with you

how did i turn out how did that turn out

sexy smart have like a really gross couch

this isn't my coach amend the air b and b

i'm traveling that's that air b and b smells like broke i'm sorry

you pick their b n b with a gross couch ok that says enough about you i'm in new orleans so there's slim pickings here

the

de says online learning has developmentally hurt

children

i think i have

i don't know if this is

' hard for me to draw the

connect the dots

what do you guys think of the long basically the covid like are there still any this chicago still doing online learning or is the pandemic over for them i don't know

so so when it comes to online learning there are a lot of problems with it has been really difficult and a lot of the problems come from the fact that like

there are there isn't good infrastructure in place for for something like this to happen like gt there and

and i think if there was if there were a lot more resources like better better tools

but i mean be even access to computers which a lot of

students don't have and when they're not at school

like going in this direction where we can have more tools accessible to more students i mean but frankly that's that's the only way to

to help them

so ninety nine i says real quick ninety nine percent of school has nothing to do with the curriculum it's all about socialization everything you learn

is like

how to interact with people socially that's the look schools are just daycarrees for how to watch children

his parents are at work that's the only reason they exist

the curriculum is basically meaningless nobody remembers anything about the curriculum

i do

no you don't

and i do yeah

so besides like the teachers pets and stuff no one remembers anything about the curriculum

and it's also su with thugs and school should probably whatever that its future is going to haves ma should be reformed around that fact

and i actually think schools should

focus less on

sitting in classrooms and

you know wasting kids times

and start doing recreational outdoors stuff you know

learning how to chop down trees learning how to do life skills trade schools engineering

you know hands on type of stuff

i mean sports athleticism school needs to be completely restructured around that

and all that

s i was i was go sy actually agree with like almost everything he said except except for i want all of those things to be

to i want i want to bring more of those things in with the like more educational environments like i want to bridge that gap more i don't think that there should be like trade schools

and then like

um universities where you get a formal education like i think they should

we really should bore the lines between these things and and like someone should be able to go to like their shop class and then go to philosophy afterwards and

like i don't know i think itd be better for

more people like the way that people kind of separate these things completely different forms of education is a problem because theyre deeply intertwined

you got the s i me in from do appreciate your question

brandon hansen

gen that one this one from

can't pronounce your name says call me squiggles

oh that's ok that's what you like to be called co squiggles

says look at proficiency rates for u s students

we have to import intelligensia

sex ad is the least of our worries

i think they're saying something which i think ran radical codor you wanted to make i think achually kind of want to make

case to

that

some of the sexual stuff is not helpful but it's

a negligible difference maker when you consider the other more

substantive intellectual deficiencies of the public

schools

is that what you guys would say

i would agree with that

absolutely what

me

go i was going to say one thing that i talk about a lot is like some personally i'm like a big fucking nerd if you can imagine and so like i really like math i like teaching math and

like all throughout my life i've heard this billion billions of times and you all probably have heard this as well it's like people who say i hate math i'm no good at math

and like

i think that's a failure of the structures that were big were prepared presented to teach them that

because like no one's like inherently like terrible at math or bad at math there's just like

you can't learn higher level math if you didn't

cement but earlier knowledge so i if you miss a day of school you can be bk

for like your entire life and look back and think you hate math

just because you missed one fundamental concept and yeah i think we need to

do a lot to improve stuff like that

you got to thank you very much for your question

ellie jennings says should schools promote abortion as birth control

what abortion should never be abortion should never

ever ever be a form of birth control not once not ever not not ever ok but

pro choice all day every day one hundred percent pro choice

they should definitely teach about it

and that it's like really you know they should probably hear testimonies from women who have had it done and most women who have had it done are

you know

not happy about it right like it's extremely traumatic and it's in't think anyone is yeah

yeah so i think that i think that

you can

teach someone about it

um without being like

prorow ochristian

this one from squiggle says has is pro taliban

is pro taliban

in afghanistan

they tossed

homosexuals off rootp rooftops by the way

pste notus

h i have not heard about that

oh have you not

that have that if it was true right

though i not i' have not heard about the

i am

this one for get passionate about i'm sorry sorry

now go ahead

i get passionate about the topic of of homosexuality l g b t q plus i get very passionate about it

i am very in support of it and i in support of

anybody being the identity or gender that they choose

or identify i'm actually getting reports

soough my colleague sent me that that's not true

and that that is just the baka bazi

child molesters that gay people do not get

any punishment

they don't get thrown off rooftops but the

oh that no punishment

now they will they don't get killed right but that those people that

that's called pedarresti

and they're used to not be any distinction now there is obviously between

to adults can they don't get killed by the government right but they get killed by people

gay people i mean i don't know maybe in afghanistan but it's not the toleble policy to kill them

it's only the tllibans policy to kill the baka bazi

child molesters

that's a debate for another day all right

this one coming in

say our last one

you got two more

deed says in relation to the topic can we get a definite

is that somebody having a

was that i didn't hear what was that noise

this one from deed says in relation to the topic

can we get a definite age grade

from each debater on an appropriate age of each sex

and l g b t affirmation issues

at noge

does there need to be

the affirmation issues

as for sex ed i would put it at

senior year of high school

particulars eleven

first year of middle school

i'd say somewhere around there and in terms of affirming gender especially we' just talking about something like social

if we're talking about something like social transition i don't see any reason

to refuse to affirm someone for like social transition and just like wearing clothes that you associate with a different gender like i don't think there's anything inappropriate about that i think if you do that sure but we really think we should beaching people that they should like

be able to wear whatever clothes they want rather than like this is how you change your gender

well yeah but i don't think that's the order of things usually i think it's usually like the people are it's usually kids who are like choosing those clothes and then eventually

they they start to they go through occasional

thatthing we learned from school there's been trans people

who have existed throughout one hundred hundreds of years they never learned a theirg school

like they don't it doesn't need to be something now on this one i'm going to go back on to what infrared that which is the cultural aspect of it and when you are in school public school system there is a lot more cultural exposure correct

so saying that it could be sure and that's a conversation that you have with your parents and a professional

not a teacher

well so what if we're just talking about like like like it's a history class and there's like a trans person ir relevant trans historical figure do you think there transis is like like should be like i mean like a gay person trans

like i ill in turning i think i think like his gainess may not have mattered

may not matter to you but i mean it was a pretty big impact on his life and that's part of his story

and it's a s par i me that very m we didn'tt learn what happened sure we're not talking about sex i yeah we didn't learn i didn't even learn about alan turing in school that guy should have

letly like

you know you don't think children don't even know it need to know who he is basically

and hit fuck you has that's the worst thing you've ever said yeah and second of all you know

the sexuality is it important to know i mean are we t are we learning about people's personality every kid should know about

or are we learning about

history

and the contributions to science like

in transe part to be a side not right but i don't think that it should be like a

i don't know they i mean i think they did

kids could should learn about like the stonma riots but i don't think that they should be learning about the insid outs of those identities you know what i mean

just a g mentions that are a political

this one coming in from

do appreciate it rights a sexualizing children is a problem

should young children be wearing makeup to hide what they really look like

and sexualize themselves like an ex

like he

let's say

porn star

if you think a child can sexualize themselves you're the st needs to go to jil

okay but

i have the nine and eleven year old daughter they don't wear makeup

for

they don't

you know i don't i don't think makeup should be encouraged or even

agrees i agree actually i'm wanting to make it now but i agree with you yeah so that

maybe like when they're like in high school later

it can make that choice but like when you're talking about these very young ages it's kind of weird to like

it is sexualizing young children yes it is i think

maybe i don't know when i was eleven i started wearing eye letter in like a gof way not like a sexy way

so it's also just depending on how you use it rightly your daughter your aughter was wearing mainy shirts and going to school with like flls and shit you'd be like a

but if you wanted to put on a bunch of like you know like go lin rry potter book

and even has harry potter glasses and yeah it's different

it' so it's not it pt is it's not make makeup inherently it's like prettyre manifestations of wearing makeup like i'm sorry but the shot john benet ramsey kind of

scenario yeah

or sexualize just over sexs like hyper like bimboer sexualization of

you got a song i me and from do appreciate your question

plushe nine hundred ninty three says go ashley

yes

queen

you strong caring passionate woman i'm so glad someone

cares about an l g b t q a b c s u v rights

what an inspiration

you see y thoughts that they werere at first

ok you have i rock at the ter rolls

well i don't care if they're sincere or not i do support the community

my nephew is transgender i'm at my sister's house now

his mother and

yp

it was something i didn't understand untel he came out

and it was part of our family

and it's opened my eyes and my heart and and i'm very passionate about it so whether that was the joke or a troll comment or not i don't give a fuck

i do support i am an ally

not i'm wearing my bracelet right now

gota k

there we go

thank you very much for your question

this one coming in from justin says hawes you've argued from the bible do you think rape victims should be forced to marry

the rapist perduteronomy

twenty two

as property

restitution

how does the biblical view of women

as inheritable property inform your opinions on sex at

yeah i think you have some interpretation problems why don't you go back and read it

again

and then come back to me when you wonderstand

because it kind of sounds like you're taking things at face value a little too bit of reallyf

and then second of all yeah the bible is more about how you feel reading it that when it actually says oh you know there is a science it's called hermanutic

gt p

oh so you trust

oh you trust science just not mon and science so l yeah from my mouth lap

science just the system of knowledge yes so like before we knew what was on like the inside of a body or like any of that like that's the science we should

like before yes yes yes before we knew that wash a hands prevent an infection that's the science first of all people have not washed hands for thousands of years whatd nothing happened

nothing i wach thing nothing i know i know exactly what you like after hearing you say that somehing and i have to wash my hands because we made a dirty world around hand washing

but if we live in like thech ancient times

where everything would be clean there'd be no need to wash your

a holy shit that's so true that's why the probonic plague was like stumped out so quick and like you know tight foid fever things are like

o on issues yeah both sound really fake actually

true

all right troll bonnic claim denier

this one coming in from squiggles says

a taliban judgees spoken for horrific deaths

that will be inflicted on homosexual people as sal law returns to afghanistan as u

slash nato troops withdraw

yeah that's made up

you know i got real and it's really bad and like lot of real people are going to die probably so that's fuck thep

they say there is a follow up they say the taliban under sharia law is encouraging

executions of homosexuals in afghanistan

either you are talking from ignorance source or you are not being sincere hot source one hundred percent of grade i'm looking for the source can't find it

sore gotta

double check to see that we have the last

question

the name of five name five gay people who have been killed

this one is from deeed

i think theyre this is sincere so they're not trying to

do a personal dig on you

they said ashley how old is your transgender nephew

twenty one

gotcha

been going through his journey since he was about

thirteen fourteen

you got it

and that

looks like it is

it for questions want to say folks our guests are linked to the description that includes if you're listening via the podcast

we have our guest links

in that description box as well

one last thank you it's been a true pleasure to have our guests

here tonight

i'll be back in just a moment with a post credit scene as there are a couple super chats that i was just too embarrassed

to read their do were you guys theret be this what but

one is say i'll be back in a moment w want to say one final thank you

ashley radical coder

lab and infrared it's been a true pleasure to have you tonight

thankank everybody hashtag free has get it going on twitter iight

oh real quick i did want to say lab i'm going to ask james for your email address if that's ok so we can set up our thing

i don't give a

i just i don't care

that's a start on your foot

okay

oky ok ok

most random debate in my life i did not

you asked me to come on the last minute i was like ok

most random debate in my life didn't know i was going to have it

and i didn't even know what it was about ok he just sent me the picture of that woman

or that transgender person i don't know they sent me a piece of this is what it's about

and it's in it's about schools and that this person was teaching in the schools

that

i said ok i'll do that

i guess i'll debate

wow that's a little inappropriate for school

i had no other background knowledge i had no other context i didn't know anything else

i

that's all i knew

and uh you know it seemed easy enough to uh

to have a position

and an argument

but

yeah that was uh

you know that she got a little emotional

i do feel kind of bad

but the reason i'm so cold hearted when it comes to that shit is because the internet is the most cold hearted

rutal fucking place in the world

and you know i just

i'm not you know

you can't you can't you can't like demand

you can't like what am i got to quit the debate now oh yeah you win i guess you win the debate

because

you brought up something very emotional and shit like no you have to learn how to separate that shit

a i just don't have i don't have patience i'm not going to entertain

just don't

thank

the internet's a really brutal fucking place right i don't get any slack

and if i don't get any slack i'm not going to cut anyone's slack either

simple as that

i'm not going i'm not going to be satanic and sit in

attack people

but i am going to say like yeah i'm

that's not relevant

i

it's not an argument

no you don't

trauma dump on the internet

because yeah

you know i one piece of advice i have in general for everyone

do not ask for sympathy from anyone on the internet

because i promise you on the internet no one gives a buck about you

no one

never ask for sympathy from anyone

you will get non

ah

what an interesting debate we actually have a lot to talk about toay thank you rocks appreciate you all i have to say is be gone shytan

yeah

yeah

very true

very true

now what are my serious thoughts because i want to talk a my serious thoughts

as most of that panel was kind of trolling

i be honest

why was i trolling

ah

because i don't want to be boring right because boring is when it's

h boring is the root of all sen so let me be a little serious

what do i think of sex

the truth is i don't care i don't care about sex

i honestly don't careright

i do think children should not be taught

underscore us well

i do think children shouldn't be taught

a

some things

likeu all this l g b t

it

i don't think children should be taught any of it

i don't think children i don't think it's appropriate to be talking what's you know there's weird shit i've seen from libs and ta

besides all that though like i don't i don't really care about sixed right i just don't

i don't really

but that my position is like it's not all that significant

any either way right it just doesn't make that much of a difference

so it's you know

that's just my view

and i

should shold should children be taught safe sex

to be honest it is kind of weird that you learn that in middle school right if you're going to have to learn that you should probably learn it in like ninth grade

high school i don't think

middle schools the right place to learn that shit

i think if you're if people are sexually active in middle school

that should be considered like a medical crisis in and of itself

and

you know that but

you know

to be honest right and the reason is because it seems like in middle school

not everyone has gone through puberty

right so there's not that much of a hard line

whereas i feel like in high school probably at least by

o

junior year maybe right

people are ready

the like

learn about that stuff and

it shouldn't be considered that much of a medical crisis of it's happening

so i don't know that's my honest take on

that's actually my honest take

but i find it in saying that middle school like that shit is happening it's

what can in sae

i

ah this dudes alm oh my god

elementary

that's

yeah

so

yeah and also i don't i think a lot of this stuff cannot be regulated

through the institution

so that's also something to keep in mind

it is culture

right it is it is the culture

but it

does lag have an only fain l ge

you know a guy

go ahead and send me one hundred dollars guy go ahead and send me on hundred dollars send me ten times that amount

because you want to spend money on this random woman

ok you want to spend money on this random woman you saw you know anything

i mean like

what a disgrace ok i'm actually taxing you you're getting you'r fucking getting taxed oh you have money to throw around to this random woman

give me money biits

or you're out in here

give me that mother fuckin

extra fucking money you're going to spend on a goddamn egirl you fucking

crane's mother foker

but what's the hell are you doing thank you would you ever have to who on the show

said he would be interested

oh my god where did you sey that

i would be fucking honored to have

ge who on the show

i would be honored i would i'm humbled i'm i would be very humbled right

oh absolutely yeah

i would

i didn't even know that was on the table

because i would the only reason i haven't even considered that before is because

i have never seen him do an interview on video

h

but if he's open i can so i've never seen it before but if i could do that i mean yeah i would love that

holy shit

yeah i would really be excited to do that

why don't you pass

his info or wantt to let him know or give give my e mail to him

i'm not exactly sure how the arrangement works

or give me his email

i think i'll go on his blog and find his email and i'll probably message him

tonight

but yeah

i didn't know anyone on that panel i did not know anyone i just assumed everyone was a lib

so i did not know anyone

thk you as could you please start a quick pray to cleanse us of that ungodly debate

yeah that was such a yoke to be

else she likes to be

thank you guy appreciate i was joking

unless you want me to mail the picgs to her parents

ykes

um no

pretty sure that's an adult woman

yes

so i don't know like how much

that would do

like yeah i don't know

o

you know what there's something in me that just doesn't like snitches right

have let god judge everyone don't you know telling

i just don't like stnitches right i don't like

thank you appreciate easy w

' curious what are your thoughts on the democratic republic of afghanistan

it was a complete failure

maybe hafizula a mean

afizullh amen would have made it a cool place

but

that he got purged

by the revisionists

and it was a

it's all over

after

was all downhill from there pretty much

so yeah

okay

a

okay so i have other news guys i have some news

so my friend as you all know haw to twitter

he

my friend had a twitter and his name was

at the red emir

e m ir right the red emir

and

he got fucking band

imagine that it got fucking band

it got fucking bann

and i don't know why

he didn't aek me why either because

he doesn't know

he do he literally doesn't know why it got banned

i don't fucking know why it got banned he doesn't know why it fucking got banned

but he got banned

and so yiks right

uk and shit man

sit

i mean why

why

yh

the chat delays ridiculous ok on's in the chat

on's in the tower now

one to the chann

that's's not that bad

the delay is not that bad at all

and i don't know what the fookss talking about

moay is mine

delays fine

so actually there's a few things i'm going to talk about today

and

et believe it or not

this is what i wanted to make this ream about ok

but i had this debate so

we were doing it a bit we did the debate instead but this is what i actually wanted to make my stream about

and what i wanted to make my dream about

was

two things that have happened recently

one is in cuba

and the other is

in italy so ok in italy the right

politician got elected

and in cuba

some crins just happened

so first i think we're going to talk about cb first so witho thing samon gram my water i'll be here

aright

ight

i

i

fie

allright

i

i

ok

so cuba

ckuba let's first of all

let's pull it up and look at the details

one in a chat

ok you're here you're here

all right let's pull this up

cuby

you things i'm going to show you

ba

cuba has been bombarded with ngo money for this vote for the last fifteen years

they had like six votes in that time

same issue

and it was always now

um

i didn't know that chris if you were in the discord could you

could you buy chance

linked

link

some info on that i didn't know that

actually i think you guys can take my word i'm going to i was compiling a bunch of sources for her ties to the ford foundation but it's

it's literally a google search way

and that's mariyela castro

it so have on a cuba cuba approved gay marriage and adoption overwhelmingly in a sunday referendum backed by the government

it also boosted rights for women the national election commission said on monday

three point nine million voters voted to ratify the code while one point nine

five opposed ratification

so legaliz this

same sex marriage

so yeah seventy four percent

voted in the referendum

and the majority voted in favour of it so how do we make sense of this and what's going on

so first of all i want to say that it's misleading to call this

a gay rights or gay marriage referendum

initially

this

issue the consensus of the cuban people was clear

the cuban people didn't want it

as chris morlock just pointed out i didn't know there were six but i do know that in the past

the cuban people have expressed their disapproval

with legalizing same sex marriage

and with the l g b community there in general

right

and it's not just the cuban people it's also hardcore communists that are still there in cuba

but yeah all the red libs on twitter are soying out saying cuba's abolishing the

family the nuclear family wass not true so on explain a few things for context

the first context is that

this is a referendum on the family code in general

and the

portion of about sexual minorities is a very small portion of the code

the rest of the code covers issues such as the relationship between children and parents

up to like talking about household chores

it's also talking about the

relations between men and women at the household

rights and duties relating to the family just things of that nature

and what happened is that over the entire course of the year in twoenty twenty two

the drafters of the referendum or the bill i don't know what to call it the amendment

basically like the

got a bunch of feedback from the cuban people

so first i'll go okay gay rights no okay what about all this other stuff all this other stuff

so the cuban people were involved very closely and extensively

with drafting this amendment

you know because they want the code

to reflect their interests and their realities in general and l g b people are very small minority of cubans

whereas the amendment supposedly covers things that are more generally

in the interests of the cuban people as a whole

so if you want

it was kind of like a bribe

they're like ok

we're going to amend the family code to include all these other things that you guys are telling us

which is give us the gay marriage thing and they're like ok fine we don't care about gay marriage as long as we get the other shit

so that's the context behind the referendum before there was a referendum

there were multiple there was this huge process of drafting

the final

documents

with the direct feedback

of the cuban people

now you have to ask the question why is there then an l g b t agenda

because if they if they just drafted the amendment

going down to the cuban so me put it this way

from the top down

the cuban government decided that it wants to legalize same sex marriage and formalize

that was decided from above not from below

and they knew

that there was going to be backlash from the cuban people

so what they did to prevent that backlash

is they made sure that the family code

included a bunch of other things that would be popular

that would offset

whatever backlash they expected

ok so the question is why is cuba so inten

on pushing this this

a

s

well it begins with a woman named mari ella castro and it's fidel castro's niece

mariy el castro

has extensive ties to the west

and to europe

and i believe

she was educated in america but i could be wrong about that

but she she was married to some italian man she has extensive ties to the western world

installin soviet union she's a spy right that's what she would be considered because of how extensive her foreign ties are

so mariella castro has made it her mission to push this l g b t shi

it's her pet project in cuba

and it failed for a long time

until around gorbachevs

reforms in the soviet union

gorbachev's socialism with a human face also came to affect cuba

because everyone thinks castro super base but castro became another gorbachev around the time of brbachov

and

cuba wanted to also have a good p r image

for the west or the democratic liberal globalist west

so it started to adopt

environmentalism and l g b stuff slowly slowly right but the cuban people were so conservative

and steadfast in opposing it they were never able to ram it through

and only recently they were able to do it

so so a lot of people are saying oh my god pat socks are going to condemn cuban

no nothing

changing now

my position on cuba has always been clear you can look up

and see what i've said in the past about cuba

and i said this in the telegram i was even ar gouing people back and forth about it but i feel like i need to reiterate what i said before

and what i said before is pretty simple

ah

cuba is not

a model of socialist construction in any capacity

cuba is a revisionist country

we all know that

it was basically a sugar colony of the uus aar

during the sino soviet split

cuba was the u s represented the s a r directly in the on the line movement

and although i think historically speaking

cuba was very admirable in the way in which it was a bastion of anti imperialist partisanship in guerilla warfare

it has

pretty much

lost purpose

as far as i can see

cjuba has an existential crisis where it it's lacking of purpose anymore

for a long time

the idea in cuba was that while we make a more or less livable

economy

their economy

we're going to use cuba as this base of operations to liberate all of latin america south america

with guerrilla warfare

and for as long as cuba kept that up

you know what had purpose

then with the

you know the nineteen eighty s come around

the sandinistas

neoliberalism quote unquote the coup in chile

a and then finally the collapse of the u s s r cuba ceases to be the h q of revolutionary guerrilla warfare around the world

and it starts to have to deal with the question of what are we going to do forward

so very admirably

uba has

you know

maintained itself as an island of resistance a literal island of resistance against u s imperialism

on the fundamental political level cuba is a sovereign country

it's an anti imperialist country

and it's been very admirable in the way in which it's kept up that fight

against us imperialism

that being said

the cuban

um

you know

system if you will

or the cuban path

is not a model of socialist construction

it's a model of some kind of

you know i

resistance maybe it's a resistance economy

but it's not it's not economy that is building it's not a communis producing and you are to say oh has 's because of the embargo no it's not

the embargo's range of enforcement is very clear thank you

terry's also incentive for leadership to appeal to western intelligenceia for anti sanction support

unfortunately only way to wind over such intellectuals

yes that's a huge factor as well

yeah you're right about that

under the obama years is when mariella castro's

b t stuff gained the most traction within cuba

because they were expecting

of the embargo to be lifted

but the truth is

i'm going to engage in some comradely criticism of cuba

which i have the right to do

being a guy on youtube

the embargo is not an excuse

or cuba was very sorry

state

of economic develop

during the years of the socialist block

but mary very well could have taken advantage

of the socialist blocs

economic network

in order to develop

the forces of production

it had it showed no interest in developing any kind of interest it showed no interest in developing any kind of independent sovereign

you know economic base or industrial base cuba

ultimately

it is a social democratic country it's a country that cares about fair and moral distribution

equitable distribution it places a big emphasis on health survival and subsistence

but it does not

place a lot of emphasis on the development of the productive forces

or the creation of material wealth

and for that reason

while cuba has been able to accomplish

what most countries in the caribbean

to be fair

can't do most countries in that part of the world can't do

which is provide for its population the bare minimum

cuban people are healthy

cuban people are educated

human people

live dignified lives they don't have to be prostitutes they don't have to be drug addicts

they can git by and live dignified lives

that's very admirable and that's very commendable

but

that doesn't cut it is far as qualifying it as a as a leader

of a model for socialist development

socialist development is also ultimately about developing the productive forces

almost

at the expense of all else

right at all costs

that is what defines

any model of socialist development

and cquba

it has no path

as far as

on this crucial

qualifier of what a socialist model of development is

so it i'm really annoyed when people constantly fucking use cuba as the example oh it's the perfect society oh cuba is the most moral society

first of all

you're wrong

cuba is an admirable country

but the truth is is that

juba has a lot of problems

right

it's not sustainable it doesn't have a sustainable

ah

you was

infrastructure

is still from the fuck in one nineteen fifties

and for a lot of its youth and a lot of its people i mean they have no future and it's completely dreary and depressing for them

and i know it's better than if they were in like you know maybe haiti or jamaica or somewhere

where there's like you know you have that and drug addiction and health crisis

and teenage pregnancy and you know all that other shit

and i commend cuba for its ability to

rise above the

those things that accompany destitution

but the truth is cuba is no model it's no shining model for development

and all of the things that cuba has done as far as

that people are

you know you my god

that's every socialist country during the cold war

every single country during the cold war that was the baseline

if you were socialst country and you couldn't

take care of your citizens

give them education give them health care

you weren't even considered part of the soldiers b only communist countries

yeah i would say i think china and the d p r k

i don't know anything about laos i'm not going to comment on it but as far as i know china the d p r k are the only

communist countries with a communist or socialist

model of development

vietnam and cuba are not

and especially not vietnam

right

now i don't hate cuba

i don't think cuba is cringed

but cuba is also not really based it's just

a admirable country

fighting us imperialism

what

it's still a social democratic country it's still a country heavily infiltrated by american ngo s believe it or not it's not really an authoritarian country

you know this is this is why it's such an injustice is why even anarchists support cuba

because cuba isn't an authoritarian country it opens its doors fully to the western n g os

and all these infiltrators just look at what's going on with mario le castro

what cuba does say is hey we're not going to let foreigners steal our wealth and rob us and loot us

and that's why cub was called this authoritarian horrible country because

they tell the foreigners hey

you're not going to fuck in turn our country into your colony

and we all admire that we all love cuba for the

but we still should have the right to have comradely criticism

of cuba's shortcomings ok after you stood up to the imperialist

after you said you don't want your country to be looted and robbed

what has the cuban government done what steps has it taken

do you know

build prosperity and material wealth for its people

again i have to emphasize this

the embargo is not an excuse i'll tell you what the embargo covers

it covers u s businesses

and it covers

goods

that represent ten percent of a given product

ten percent or more

of a given product

and those fall under u s law

you were

is completely open and able to trade with any country it wants to

notwithstanding that ten it can't have ten percent of u s goods right so if you have for example an airplane part

you have airplanes

and like ten percent of the airplane is from the u s you can't

you can't trade it with cuba

but look at what the chinese were able to do

right

you can make do even with those i know it's horrible and it's an abominable but it doesn't explain cuba's very

a backward state

and as of twenty nineteen there is a new thing

that trump implemented

pressured by the cuban lobby in the you know miami lobby

which is very cringe of him to do right which is that you can now sue

the cuban government or you can sue foreign companies that trade in confiscated goods from the revolution

so there was also that

now if you read up

and if you study

chinese

business experience with cuba

you'll read that chinese business leaders

and and i'm talking about state owned enterprises here right

i're really dissatisfied thank you christma lock

cuba since i has been signing on moar with b r i

they are approaching two billion dollars in trade

almost all the transportation in cuba is chinese that's beautiful that's great

but

if you read about

what chinese

business people have been sad saying about doing business in cuba

they're really like frustrated with

the way things are managed over there

and all the red tape that exists over there

the incompetence all that kind of shit i mean read it yourself

it seems like all the people who are up holding cuba so cuba was i don't think the cubans will say hey we're a model no cuba was not a model for anyone

hubert is

again it's miraculous there they've been able to hold out

it politically right

but that's not a model for anyone we shouldn't be saying oh yeah we want to be just like cuba really you want to be just like cuba

no cuba's in a very destitute sorry place right now

and if you're a communist you don't want to just

you don't want to be just like cuba you want to be like china or maybe even you want to be like north korea

you want to be like cuba which has no sovereign real economic base or industry

it has like

what a fucking ninety percent tourist based economy

and it has like such an overproduction of elites

has more doctors than it even could ever possibly need

to satisfy the needs of its population

you know you don't

you know people who uphold cuba as a model for socialism in america there are unch of fucking losers like ben norton

and they're basically

aestheticizing and valorizing cuba's

very unfortunate position

as a model which is like so twisted and perverse right that's not a model for anyone

cuba is a model for like a very dire situation it's not a fucking model for what you aspied to be

go and fuck and tell americans we want to become more like cuba

i'm sorry no we don't

we don't want to become more like cuba

we don't want to have outdated infrastructure and let our fuck in buildings and

you know transportation rok since the one nine hundred fifty s i mean we're already kind of doing that anyway

no we want to be more like china

if anything we don't want to be more like cuba

but the tropical socialists are basically these like

you know p m c parasites and they go look at this

tropical country that's so easy going

or like there's not a lot of work being done

there's not a lot of industry happening is a lot of construction going on

there's not a lot of like economic development going on there like

oh that looks so comfy i i love that

and then

this is what i hate this is what like makes me

bringe out is that

amidst all of that

sterility of the cuban economy

amidst all of that inertia and sterility

oh my god cuba's new social who gives a fuck

i mean you can only be so fucking just and fair

you can be as fair as you want when it comes to distributing wealth when you're not producing any

that's what i hate

you know

you can be so virtuous and so moral

about how you're producing or sorry how you're distributing this and that oh and what your bureaucracy is doing oh we're now trans accepting

that doesn't f yeah you can do all that when you don't have a she have like an economic

base that's producing more material wealth

yeah i guess you could do whatever the fuck you want the

and what cuba's doing is it's virtue signalling

now some of saying cuba has the virtue signal this way

because that the needs to get those sanctions lifted

fine i'm not going to knock on them for that but i am also going to judge them

because i'm living in america and i'm living in america and understanding america's political situation

this shit does not help cuba

that's my

that's what i would tell the cubans haye cubans

if you're trying to get the sanctions lifted

and your virtue signaaling this family code

because you think it's going to make you more popular in america it's not

it's going to make you more unpopular

ron de santis is a very dangerous figure

and he is very anti cuban

and he's also

um

he's also

being a demagogue playing off of the very legitimate concerns

american families have

about like this you know this sexualization of children and shit

so you're combining cuban communism

with this l g b t stuff and it's a fucking disaster

ok

what i need to tell the cubans or the cuban government is

the tide in america bet on the populace don't fucking bet on these liberals

and try to virtue signal to these liberals those obama years are never ever ever coming back

so don't

bank on them

if you start listening to your church if you start listening to your priests

who were completely right on this issue

you're going to curry way more favor with the american populace

we are the future of his country

you're going to curry way more favor with the

the maga movement and the trump people

they can be convinced that cuba is their ally

if cuba stands up to cultural globalism

so that's my advice to the cubans

in the cuban government or wherever else

who think that this dumb shit is going to like

curry them favor with the west it's not

globalism there's a huge backlash against that shit

ok here in america

very huge backlash

and by the way

if there's nothing progressive about any of this stuff ok

changing what gender means and redefining what a family is

isn't fucking progressive it's subjectivistic and it's idealist

it's volunteeristic nonsense and if you're just doing it

to get those embargoes lifted it's a really bad choice it's a really bad move

oh yeah

the extreme left is going to

clap their hands and praise you

i'm sorry that's a dinosaur that's extinct

those people are nothing in this falkon country they have no future in this falkon country

and by the way cuban government

the only way

that you would be able to use the extreme left

to get embargoes lifted from you

is through the democratic party and they fucking hate you

the democratic party

ah is just as interventionist

as the you know the neo cons are

against cuba they don't like cat they don't like the cuban socialist government

no amount of virtue signaling is going to make nancy pelosi

and the democrats like

again i think they're stuck in the obama years they think it's like the obama years

where they're going to be able to like you know oh yeah we're like legitimate now now you gota

youve got to join the global populist

upsurge

or you know it's going to be bad news

in

by the way i don't

it's not that i want that to happen i'm just being very soberly realistic

i

i'm

and this is going to we're going to get into this about what's going on in italy

but you know rhonda sent this i think he's the number one threat in america right now

legitimately

i think ron de santez is way more of a threat than even the democratic party right now

the reason i think round the sanchus is more of a threat

is because he actually has the potential to hijack

the maga movement

that's the biggest threat iss the biggest threat isn within right

so

as someone who wants to see maga win rondo santis is probably the biggest threat

not the fucking democrats who cares about them

they're finished

but the santis that could be a real threat

right

he could

upe people

into supporting him just because of the cultural stuff

ba

danny heifongs live stream on magag communism i said cube but was socially conservative and he said it wasn't

his proof was one lgbt pride parade that he filmed

cuba is thocally conservative

and it's so social conservative

that one third of cubile

you have to after a year of

very intently listening to the needs of the chuman people and what they wanted and

incorporating all of their feedbacks to the point where like

ninety five percent of that civil code

comes from the cuban people's feedback and interest

and despite that

one third of cuban said ok even if you're going to give all this other sit to us

we don't want l g b t bullshit we don't want gay marriage we don't want it

that's how fucking conservative cuba is

it is a conservative society if you think this

was without controversy you don't know anything about cuba

you have to understand

that code only like

five maybe one to five percent of it

was about lgbt

ande that was enough for one third of cubans to say no

now if you look at the history of cuban referendums

it's usually like ninety i'm going to show you this right

let's see if we can find it the history of cuban referendums

cuban refeen because they're usually like either ninety percent you're usually ninety percent yes

ok

get

so

okay so i'll show you a few of them

here we go i'll show you a few of them

k

tw of

ok so one was in seventy six i know there is like

this is all the ones on wikipedia

so in seventy six

ninety nine percent are forour

the new constitution

ok in two thousand and nineteen

ninety percent are in favor

of the new constitution

ninety percent

ok

ninety percent

now let's check

the most recent referendum

let's check the most recent one

ok and you'll see the change in the pattern ok

look at this

sixty six percent yes versus thirty three percent no

i mean that's a really stark

that's very controversial for cuba you have to understand

in communist countries

referendums like these are

that's referendums on the government

if you say no you're basically saying hey fuck you government

so people were willing to literally say fuck you to the government

that's how much they oppose

this change

one third of cuban society

that's a lot

ok that's a lot

so to answer yes cuba is socially conservative

but also the cuban government isn't going to

hold a referendum

that it suspects it's going to lose that's why it spent a year working closely with cuban society

to make sure the code

otherwise was very popular

the l g b t shirt

that was a completely top down thing that was because the president said he wanted to see it happen

wasn't because cuban society wanted it the president wanted it so he put it to a vote he gave m other shit

so they said fine we'll give will tolerate

that's that's only two thirds ok

so people need to keep that in mind

m

but that being said i don't

i don't know what the plan is sink it was on

it's more than a third

significant drop in voter turnout too

usually turnout is ninety

this turnout was seventy yeah i didn't even know that so there was also a significant drop in voter turnout

what about the thirty percent of people who didn't vote

i mean

you know what i mean

but ok i digress

this was a very controversial vote

it's what the cuban government wanted so it passed

and what does that have to do with us nothing

he cuba is not

i don't even know if our i mean is cuba a communist country

i guess in some sense but it's a type of communism

it's in the same way vietnam is it's a very outdated

form of communism

from the soviet era

it's no china

right it's no uh north korea

and

i don't think socialists or communists in america

should be upholding cuba as a model for socialist development

you know when you talk to ordinary people oh you want to be just like cuba fulk no we don't want to be just like cuba right

what i would tell them basically is i'll say hey you know we should do

we should

open up trade with cuba

and there could be more wealth to cuba right

and and you can undermine those those lazy government bureaucrats at the lower level in cuba who sit on their fuck and ass

and basically profit and gain from cuba's stagnation and sterbility at the expense of its people

look i'm not going to sugarcoat the fucking reality of cuba

i'm just not

i'm not sugarcoating shit

'm not i don't hate the cuban government

atu at top right they're not that bad at the top

but at the lower levels i mean yeah you've got a lot of fucking lazy bureaucrats j like in the soviet union and just like you did in every other socialist country

who sit on their fucking ass all day and fuck and drink coconuts

and their people wrot

and the whole fucking country stagnates

and that's a fact

i keep shit real i'm not here to fuck a lie to you guys

cuba was mega based not because it was like a

paradise economically

but because it was an h q of guerrilla warfare resisting imperialism

all over latin america

that's what always made cua based

that's that era is long gone

that era is long long gone

so what i wish for cuba today

i want cuba to join china and russia

i want cuba to be economically counterhedemonic and not just politically

imant i hope cubert

you know

i hope the cuban people the best in the world

i hope cuban

can learn how to

undermine imperialism

the way the chinese have been doing it

instead of

this you know you know it's so depressing because cuba went from waging

political guerilla warfare against the uus

and now it just seems like it's transitioning to a point where it's just like

oh yeah we're going to be like cultural

leaders

like no that's fucking stupid ok

on the depress

look i don't mean to be a maoist which i am

but the problem has always been

division is

it's always been revisionism

cuba never

woke up

so the problem of revision is

and what that basically means

is that

cuba needs

to have a dose of mousey don thought cuba needs to have a dose of that wild dialectic

to undermine the cuban bureaucracy

the stagnant soviet erab bureaucracy

which is very much still alive in cuba

make no mistake of it

very much still alive in cuba

is that stagnant bureaucracy

i which is holding cuba back

again i admire cuba for doing what other places

in the region haven't been able to do

but

since everyone is kissing cuba's ass or upholding it as a shining model of socials development

i'm going to push back equally as hard and criticize that model of development

because

i

in just in the same respect

it's a given that whatever cuba does is cuba's own business

yeah i will fight tooth and nail

against every attempt to undermine cuba's sovereignty

k

before castro and this is what i tell people

cuba was a goddamn criminal

buck in you know

it was a colony it was a slave

of america and the mafia

and in the elites

you know

so we i am in a great yeah we don't want to go back to that

that's a given

and we respect and commend the cuban people's

resistance in the cuban government's resistance

but

i'm going to keep it real i'm fucking keepin it real ok that's not enough

that is just not enough

and i'm i'm saying that from an analytical perspective i'm not judging i'm saying it from an analytical perspective

if cuba doesn't make serious changes

it's going to get overrun

if cuba doesn't make serious changes

the future of communism on that island is over

and then it's probably going to be an american colony again

mark my fualking words

i'm talking in the next decade in the next decade if cuba doesn't make serious changes

it's doare

mark that for me

next decade

this is an existential confrontation

yeah chris

i've been hearing that they're serious about reforms

n know they're they're having more small businesses they're studying the chinese model

they' reforming economically

that's good

but is cuba going to be just another vietnam

you got to ask the question is cuba just going to be another vietnam

because the sovereignty thing is really important the are we going to allow n g o s take over your fuck and that shit is important

ok

that democracy shit will destroy your fucking country

that's what denjo being learned

no democracy with the

quotation marks democracy

get rid of

root out democracy

or you're going to become like vietnam

you don't want to become like vietnam

ok

we you're going to be a geo this is vietnam vietnam is the soce of this country

which is a geopolitical pawn of america do you want to cuba needs to retain partisan geopolitical independence

if it's going to actually

e problem today is that some leaders undermine their own country's sovereignty

and it becomes patronizing to point that out

aguy enerar

no at this point i can say whatever the fuck i want

because i'm always being thrown in it's always being thrown in my face that cuba's a fucking paradise on earth

one you need a fucking dose of reality you need to wake the fuck up to the real world

ok

youally but has wt cuba's health care system

better than america's

i'm not denying that but that's just socialism that's good old socialism a right that's just from the twentieth century

me yeah that's great

it's not enough in this world in this world you can't just have good health care

and a healthy population

and you can't just

get by and have coconut trees

oo with the cocin nut trees and yeah that this is a brutal fucking world if you don't do what china does and

rapidly build your productive forces

you're going to get fuck and buried

ok this is no wor this is no world

or

you know tropical coconut fucking you know

tiki dancers

this ain't no world for that shit

you will get fucked stump

or maybe you cound do that shit but you're going to be a slave

y this ain't no fuckin world for that

easy going fuck and bullshit

this is a war

this is war

ok

is a brutal fuck in war moongering world

yeah we need cub what cuba needs is cuban juhe it needs to be like north korea

cuban needs to be up

like a militant

fuck and brutal dictatorship

the hold out

it needs to become like

north korea

matter of fact this is to say we're north cuba

is s what about south cuba there is no s they should say there's no south cuba because we sunk good in the falcon ocean

that's what cuba should do tod go to the un is what cuba should do

the leader of cuba diaz should wear a full military

outfit neo castro outfit neo green soup

like

updated but still like powerfully green military right

and he wears the cap

and he walks up to the un

he's got a giant beard in a cigar in his fucking mouth

thrown back to castro

and he said

we are announcing

will north to p

and then people are asking questions

what about south cuba we so good on the ocean it's not even on the map

we bted in the ocean

that's what you w nes to do to survive

that's what cuba needs to do

north cuba

north ckuba

north ckuba that's the mean

north ckuba

who do i know

and and twit streamer is the that yeah i am fucking doing that suck my dip

buckm twitter bitch

and it's twin reamer it is critiquing yeah i am fucking doing that whyn't you fuck and suck my car

because you constantly throw it in my fuck and face and everyone's face

well i'm going to throw it right back in yours with a fucking dose of the real world

don't

think they would all die for their country

it's not enough

ok

i don't just want cubans to die for their country i don't want anyone to die

i want them to live

not as that cringe slogan cuba v day whatever

i want them to

i want to i want them to make their country great because if they don't their country will be gone and then ok there's no more cuba

that's no good whates it what good does that do anyone

being willing to die for your country is a beautiful thing

ok

but what happens when it actually happens

ight

ok it was poetic and beautiful but did it have to happen no

ya

look castro was a great romantic revolutionary but when the eighties came around and that gorbachev came in power

what was left

you know

but the wrong term

took the wrong tern what would schay thing

that's what we got to ask what would shagobarro think

wouldn't be too happy

probably not

hell see ark you keep calling me a fed or you keep calling me f b i or a cop

okay

so are you satisfied it's like what do you want

no one cares what you think no ok you called me f b i you said i'm a fed

and then i'm a cop

okay

oz hasn't been raided because he made a deal with the ops

so the only way i'm legitimate and real is if i get fuck and rated

a that yeah perfect logic that makes so much sense

the only way if you're real in this fucking world is if you get fuck and raided

otherwise you're a ft it's a

is like ok what what do you want what do you want me to say no i'm not

oh yes you are ok that i can't reason with you what you want me to say

yet she would take guantanamo

yeah you got me that's i'm a fed

i found it odd why cuba is so welcoming to western ngos

they should do what lukashenko said about massacring them

you me a sd

okay i was just sorry guys leaving with some messages

yikes

okay so this brings us to our next piece

of information

and

this one is kind of the opposite of the cuba issue

yeah i saw that jackson i just saw that right nw

i

and it's kind of like ok so cuba is doing this walk shit it's really cringe

then on the other side of the spectrum

and i think i

so me and jackson don't have different

views on this but we're just looking at it from different angles

and jackson's angle is correct

but i'm just looking at it from another eg

right not necessarily one that contradicts

is but just

a different one

ok

which i think it's a perspective we need to keep in the back of our minds

not so much to force on reality but

to

be open to expecting just in the back of our minds to entertain as a possibility right

and that's what happened in italy with melone

now to preface this before i talk about maloney by fors more appreciation

maloney is very interesting

she has been basically pro ukraine but not well defined

she was vague on sanctions

she could turn into all of han

if itly wavers and buys russian guests directly

that's what jackson is saying

ok

thank you chris appreciate you

that's what jackson was saying

and it's not necessarily wrong

what

i want to introduce i want to

throw a curveball into this

and open up

something i consider more like

this is what i'm looking at this from

first of all i don't

care

about maloney's uh i don't care what she said about mussolini i don't care about any of that

that's not substantive right what to me was what substantive is geopolitical alignment

and things like that class warfare things like that

and geopolitics is the highest form of class war right now

besides information

i

but what's going on with maloney

is

you've got a situation

where

she has made a lot of statements

in defiance

of you know the wlok agenda of the e u

which is very clear she's butting heads with ursula vongh

nazi whatever the fucker name is

and that

is you know and then a lot of people are freaking out about her so she's a fascist

so right now there's like this polarization around maloney okay maloney's based

but what i think what we're looking at right now is another disantis moment and i'm going to explain

why

in very clear terms

so first i need to pull up some of this information that i was given

from a source

as i did my homework on this guys

uh okay so there's this one

and then

there's

okay so a few things

basically as you guys have known since brexit

there's been a pretty clear claft

of the division

in a division between the e c b

which is

the franco german banks that were produced in the aftermath of the marshall plan

and the u s is you know

brentwood system

the european economic community

h and then there's the city of london

which is actually the real power the real power in the world is the city of london and wall street

and the european union in my view was just like this experiment that they did

and the experiment failed

so it

it doesn't end with the e u is what i'm trying to say there's a

bigger authority than the e u and that's the city of london

and what i think is going on no i don't think she's like orban i'm going to tell you why

what i think is going on is that you're looking at italy which is an extremely indebted country

a big portion of that debt

is owed to italian bankers

ok italian banks

but

a big portion is also owed to foreign banks and the city of london wall street

and the italian banks to the extent of my knowledge were formed in the aftermath

of the first world war

that were and they're part of that

general aligned with the city of london

so italy was a child of the marshall plann

just as much germany and france was

so italy is not a colony of germany and france

its own

a product of the marshall plan

and it has its own special relationship

to the city of london and the wall street financial elites

ok

and you're starting to see a cleft

in the interests just the raw economic interests

between the european union

and the anglo american financial axis

you know thist principally first of all and with nordstream one and two nordstream two

blue in the face of the interest

of the city of london wall street

whereas it was favorable to germany

right and the e c b in deyschter bank

probably them too

and some capacity

so there's a conflict of interest there

now mario draghi's government was very clearly firmly aligned with the ecb and with europe

and the u

a lot of people are not really paying attention to britain though in this whole thing

and they're not really paying attention to the city of london

om

so

what i'm interested in is

here's a scenario i want to throw out there right

i want to throw out this scenario

so picture

a europe in crisis i think the u is going to collapse i do

i think the energy crisis is going to bring europe to on its knees to the point of collapse

now have you ever thought of this right thinkh about this

what ideology

what

world view

what velt and gives

you want to call

what

rally and cry

what narrative

would be the most potent and effective

to rally europe

to war with russia

not strong and harsh words of condemnation

but a war

you think it's going to be these woke lefty libs who believe in

you know transgender militaries and like all this other shit

i don't think it is

i think it's going to be the right

i think it's going to be the desantiss of europe

that

can carry europe

the war with russia

now when you take away the wok of veneer in the strong harsh words of condemnation and all that other kind of stuff

you're left with this very brutal reality of warfare

which is not something you can wloc afight you just can't

so the but but

the agenda of the globalist isn't just reducible to wokeness wokeness is just

one of their tools in their arsenal

the more fundamental agenda

is the destruction of the threats and rivals to the city of london wall street

sh'll do it all costs

and by any means necessary and they've done it before in history

they've suspended their liberal progressive values

when they supported mussolinian when they supported hitler

to confront the soviet union they've done it before

b nam is for small i appreciate

italy has a two hundred million dollars oecd loan coming up

maloney has a huge number of strings attached to her already

interesting right

i'm going to i'm going to mention a few things

someone mentioned it the asdof vacation of the e u and i wonder if that's what we're looking at

and i want to throw out this example just to make this point

distress this point to an even greater degree

now i don't know if you guys have thought about this

look at what's going on in ukraine

which european countries

from the perspective of war not harshly condemning statesmen

war

are the most belligerent

against russia which ones w can actually go to war with russia

or lead their countries to war with russia

can germany lead its country to war with russia

buck no they can'

nobody in germany is going to go to war with in russia

germans are too busy wearing pink tootoos and skirts

and you know

running around drinking fucking soy laottes

ok

but the polls

oh yeah

the poles of the baltics

oh yeaes

they can take their countries to war with russia

why because they're nationalists

those are nationalists

is there't

they're not global they don't they're not culturally globalist

but they' they're the masculine bedrock and foundation of cultural globalism

in ukraine

yeah they have the pride parades in kiev oh yeah pride parades in kiev

but the men of ukraine or those are on the eastern front in the azov battalion with swastikas and sun wheels

and that dialectic is very compatible in ukraine it works very well

you've got the far right fighting russia

national soalvinism

hitler right ideology

fascism real fascism

and then in kiev you've got the liberals with their fucking

the pride parades and that has always characterized the relationship

between fascism and liberalism

so what i think is going on

is that i think britain

post brexit is coming to epitomize

that position

in europe

and i think the globalists the real ones based in the city of london and wall street

are looking at the e u

they're looking at what's going on in the u s and saying you know what this woke shit

it's failing

it's

it's dead it's done

right

it's a failure

c n n in the united states c n n is purging the woks

in cnn

and this trend you're starting to see it more and more it's starting to become more mainstream to oppose vocism

in the uus believe it or not the wolks are not as strong as you think they are

at least in terms of their long term prospects it's not that strong

and

i think

i think i don't think it's inevitable

i don't know if it's going to be inevitable

but

i think it's a strong possibility

at the very least that should be entertained

that when that european energy crisis comes

and rears its head the most aggressively

you're going to have people like meloney

at the forefront

at the vanguard

of the chauvinistic war effort

against russia

and we may even see a scenario where you know there

they're like oh you know what

the eu is too soft on russia we're going head in

i think that's a strong possibility

that should at least be entertained

and that and the reason that boils down to this question

does italy have a fundamental interest

to oppose

russia even above and beyond the european union

and i think the answer is yes

by virtue of its connection to the city of london and britain

if maloney is a puppet of britain

she's not going to give a fuck

about what's in the best interests of the italian industrial economy

the italian people

italian businesses and even italian heavy industries she's not going to give a fuck about any of that

she's going to throw all of them on the altar for her masters in london

don't think that's possible

thank you the king have you seen recent polling

republicans are out performing dans all across the country

weorcism is collapsing yeah i think so

and guys you saying oh it's not possible

salvini already did it in italy

salvini was elected fro by a mandate from the people along with the five star movement

you know

to make italy sovereign again

salvini cave

he fucking collapsed

he caved he said yeah we're not going to do it

and you had the same thing with ceriza and greece

so why is it why don't we think maloney' is going to do the same i think she'll do the same

but i think her masters are not the e u this time i think her masters are the city of london wall street

so if the e u and maloney come to heads

the question is is italy going to just buy russian gas and bypass the european union

well

they may not

they may rather

you know double down

a and join with the city of london and being even harsher

against russia

see jackson this is this is my angle right

i think italy's historically good relations with russia have to be

placed within the context of this broader alignment that seemed like it was happening

from the nineten nineties

to the twenty early to the crimean to

but annexation

thank you defan

which was basically

this idea

that russia is going to be a bulwark of europe

russia's going to be a bulwark of the european conservative or let's call them the right wing forces nationalist forces

and that russia is like the savior of the western world russia's here

to you know to

to be this

friend

of

you know the italian and the rest of the nationalist forces in europe

but russia was never seen as an outsider

it was never seen as an outsider it was just seen as like a

a patron or a host

it wasn't seen as an outside right

and the reason it wasn't seen as an outsider

is because rusta did not fundamentally threaten

at that point in time directly

the city of london' spider web network

only until now

when it's starting to get closer to china

has that happened

and before then yeah russia owned its own oil sure

but it was selling the oil to the west

and there was a good relationship there going on

and it didn't seem like it was going beyond the bounds of the spider w

now

right

the oligarchs within russia are fleeing their being suspected of treason within russia

there's a huge conflict underway within russia between those

european line oligarchs and the russian government are playing both sides with money

they are talking about her being the first woman p m to appease locusts

i don't think that's that significant but think for the five

ah you have that you had that situation

and even steve bannon was leading the effort

and his steve bannon's basic world view was defined by this peter tele steve bannon

they said we need to get rushia support this is the department of defense view in the united states not the state department the department of defense

he said we need russia support

we're going to ally with russia and team up

against china because china is the rising red dragon and we need to contain this rising red dragon

and we need to get russia support because if russia joins china

it's the end of the west

i think when russia

initiated its special military operation in ukraine

there was a very clear

the break

from the west

and from the city of london spiderwebb

that's work

which geopolitically aligns

russia with asia and with china

instead of europe

and i think that the that the reason the right wing populace in europe are starting to turn

on russia

isn't just because they're like going with public opinion i think they're being sincere about it

i think they very sincerely oppose russia

on ukraine

yeah i mean jackson i think that

germany can get fucked over

i think the e u is going to collapse i definitely do but i'm just trying to say it doesn't end with germany

because london is a very very important player

in this equation

so it does not end

with europe

london is a super important player

and

it's the player basically it's the center of it all the e u is just like this

sperium

right

and a failed experiment at that

and ultimately there's a level of dependency even

between the e u

and the spider web network

based in the city of london

that this allows the e u for even asserting its own sovereignty

me think about it

how could it possibly have been in the interest of europe

even the e u by the way

who opposed russia

on ukraine

it's completely against their own self economic self interest why would they want to do that right

well the reason they're doing it

is because they're taking their marching orders from the international financial ruling class

that they ultimately are beholden to even at the expense of their own industrial self interest

so you gota remember

industry

is always

there is no industrial ruling class

ah in the west

there's no industrial ruling clasx

the all industry is downstream from finance

chapel talked about has what did they say

do

what they say

free cloud

it probably did it because i got banned from twitter so like i wouldn't get

twitter cloud

it only needs to follow the exact steps of putin post twenty fourteen

i agree with that

i hope that that would be the case and i'm i hope that's going to be the case

all i'm trying to do is i

not set myself up for heartbreak

because this woman maloney i think she's a

she's a heartbreaker

and i don't want to i don't want her to

break my heart

i think she's going to

hurt my feelings

so i want to protect myself

with this angle

restructure with italian predators

jackson the problem is is that speculators so i'll read you but speculators in london

have a way

a huge impact on the italian economy

really big impact it's italian creditors are

in the spider web network of the city of london

so they don't i don't think they have a sovereignty

to just do that

i don't think they do

so let me read this out to you guys

ok

so check us out

so

foundered

algebra's founder

david sarah former ally of itsail renzy

said that one month ago we had a dinner in london with forty investment bankers and fund managers

thirty five of them were planning on shorting italian bonds

that's what moves you

glocal economy you know

says

the rationale

against the italian debt are the perspective

that the lega

would get into the government

the last time they did they pulled out the idea of printing national currency notes

the mini box

however serra claims

that's contrary to those hedge funds he is not worried as he has learned that the populace never implement what they say

i check this out in order to appease the city of london

would be premier giorgio maloney has sent to london her emissary guido crossetto

who is the current head of the association of italian defense industries

why is she sending the head of italian defense industries to london

in the run up to her election

it's kind of weird isn't it

kind of maybe that's related to war that they're anticipating i don't know maybe i'm

this is too far

maloney herself was invited to the city

by several banks and funds

but it's not clear whether sh'll go before the september twenty fifth election day

so there's speculative attacks right now on italian bonds

and the e cb is currently failing to supply an adequate

insurance of support

so

is italy going to turn

bully to london

and bypass the e u

it seems like that's what

maloney is prime to do here

now here's here's where it gets fucking spooky right

check this out

soo this november twenty first there's a conference by the way

there's a conference also happening in new york which i expect everyone who's watching this is going to go to right

well you can't

because there's only two hundred seats

so the place we preserved

has only two hundred

spots

and i think seventy of them are already filled up

i think

forty to seventy are already filled up

get your tickets if you want to go get your tickets now

because it only holds two hundred

and i have a feeling

we might

sell out

you know i have a feeling we might sell out it's only going to be two hundred

and it's going to be in new york you can find all the details on daniel burkes twitter

a

and i'm going to be sharing that more

but that's going to be the arcon

but there's going to be a conference in italy

a bad one

november twenty first and it's called countering china's influence in europe and italy

and it's organized by the u s regime change international republican institute

which is part of the n e d if you didn't know

and the fair futuro foundation

so among the speakers is going to be maloney herself

alongside a bunch of other people

and

you know

this is really bad guys because at least under su beini italy was flirting with joining the belt and road initiative

meloney is pulling out entirely from them

belt and road initiative

and she's

she's joining this an e d funded conference on the twenty first

to counteract china's influence in europe

so you know you got to do the math

yourself and

yes it's like italy's version of the dissent this deception that's exactly what it seems like we're dealing with

you know looking back i think the greeks did have a window of opportunity to just leave the e u

and join russia

i think they did have that opportunity but they didn't take it

they had a choice they just didn't go through with it

and the ass was mind boggling

right even even the honessmir fok is

ad the ability to do something

but he wasn't allowed to because of alexis cpross

i mean he was going to leave the e u outright but he was going to like implement a parallel payment system with bitcoin

because they shut off the banks

de pressure the greeks into capitulated

so they didn't even they didn't even like immediately they capitulated

right

they're saying i'm grifting but do you know what they said

about me specifically

thank you so much more luck

appreciate you

yeah jordan peterson has surprisingly been

talking we actually might be able to watch some of this onstream

but surprisingly j jordan peterson has been talking about you know

hey there's going to be europe is not going to be able to sustain this energy crisis

we we might be able to watch some of that together

h i'm so sorry guys for uh

we're going to watch the jordan peterson thing in one second i'm so sorry

something came up and i'm just like messaging someone

really quick

but yeah i mean look overall

uh

maloney is not

based

ok

she's guilty until proven otherwise as far as i now if i get proven wrong

i'm happy right i'm not going to be mad about that

chappel says you are not a marxist

can you link me ca can we listen to it on stream

you know orange yount be a miracle if you could snip out every part where they talked about me and like

yeah i muriel i got it from my mods don't worry about that all right i don't it's unless they're going to debate me now it's not relevant i am fully aware

cover chapel talking while you i would if i could know what they said about me

so if someone could link me specifically what chappo said about me

um that'll be great

let me check my discord if anyone posted it

let me find it

no in i don't see anything

i really don't see anything

and why is that towny not going through

that just

someone literally oh know that was before us from before

i was remember where ho my bed

yeh somebody linked the chapeo stuff in the discord and i will cover that right now

or i get a transcript or something

get something that i can react to

and then i will directly respond to chapel traphouse

but im

i just want to stay briefly on the question of marxism

the truth is

i think there are two ways to be a marxist

if you're a western

one way

is if you very blindly

m

just

head first

you get everything correct in your analysis geopolitics

you just focus on that shit

in some sense you can be a morxist that way

now in enouth and the other way you can be a marxis this is if you do the impossible which is

you understand where mark was coming from

almost no one can do that

today

right

so everyone who calls thehmself a marxist is wrong

they're not marxists they're probably utopian socialists of some kind

if their anarch is

maybe they're social democrats

but they're not marxist to be a marxist is a very difficult thing to be

from the perspective of theory

and the reason is because what marx did was actually

unprecedented in the history not only of modern europe

probably of

w

human thinking

hy are you down playing the american embargo on cuba

when it came precisely to its industrialisation effort

it's very weird of you just because gay marriage vote which was democratic

no it reflects the class nature of cuba which inherited the class structure that the u s s r had

which was not interested in any kind of industrial

reinvigoration in the soviet case but in the cuban case

it's not interested in any kind of

the industrialization

if cuba industrializes then the current cuban bureaucracy

gets threatened

to a great extent so i mean like that's

it's a cold hard truth but it's the truth

and the american embargo makes it difficult

not impossible

makes it difficult for most countries to trade with cuba not just the us

that's not

that's true for most countries economically aligned with the u s and so that was true for the nineties and early two thousand

but at least around the twenty tens you did start to see a shift

where most countries supply chains

started to come from china

in that case i don't see how difficult it would be to get infrastructure

that doesn't have that ten percent of u s made goods in it

so you know it's

cuba can trade with china

and it could trade with europe or pretty much any other country it wants to

what makes it difficult

is and this is pret twenty nineteusen where trump made it possible for people to sue foreign companies

i shouldn't blame trump necessarily it's just

trump

was in bed with all the stupid lobbies in america

have to wait to post of the discord really

le actually let me get your member

tell me what your member name is because i will just add you i will ust approve you right away

the orange duke i don't know why you were never in the discord before

y well i'm going to just

i'll roll you up

mauds can you roll up the orange de

orange

wan i go here

server settings

members

orange du

ego your member

so wait

a you remember yup

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so you composed

i composed

orange are you not in anymore

you should be a member now

so you should be able to pose

yoranne do cure us

you have a time stamp

orange you got a timetamp for this ok so we we've got

me

that i'm being spoken about in this chapel

th

uniform

so i need a i need a timetamper

because

this is two hours

so i just need a timestamp and i'll be able to respond to this focking guy

when's the next substack dropping

the reception to this substact

was not that great

i will say

she's there

harsh reality that people don't read that much anymore

and writings don't have as much of an impact i thought the substack would be a game changer which is why i worked so hard on it

even taking two days off of streaming to finish it

but i learned you know writing doesn't have the impact it used to have

and that's so depressing to me

because i always used to think that writing is what i take seriously

and this stuff is just like for chits and giggles but

apparently the reverse is true now

i'm actually pretty sad

at the sobstak

just

didn't have the impact i thought it would have

because i felt like

you know it

i was like wow people are going to really have their minds opened up

and start thinking about shit differently after this but like i guess it didn't

okay it's about five minutes in

ok

explore

naturalization

the final the global homo that they're resisting

i think he's talking about me here

all of its

resistance a the form of its

of its resistance

it gets to determine that that

ge out that the thing doesn't work

they get to point out that media is crooked

theyk

as n na nena

then and then and then and then and a pin and then then thenn

ipping up the bus then

tripping up to boston

shiping up to boston

shrip it up

to bsd yes no know how to add a timestamp to my stream

you know i click to add a timesamp to my screen

for stream labs o b s is there like a hot key to add a timestam

five thirty four onwards

you're a gas huffing look like

i argue

that rooting for one of these parties is happing gasoline

so why do you root for the fucking democrats

getting it into your head that one of these parties or the other is going to save you from what's coming is the huffing of the fucking gasolene

thinking that mega communism is going to somehow owe it you don't like the deep state well i don't like the deep state either or let's get together what does the deep state mean by the way who

ah the dates the deep state is referring to the extra formal and extra legal

institutional and parainstitutional power

that encompasses the federal agencies the network of n g o s

the philanthropic foundations used to launder money

the academic

and complex of universities that influence

policy maaking

and the general social policy

the network of think tanks

the broadly often you can refer to the professional managerial class in general

more broadly it refers to the deep and entrenched political

and metapolitical interests that are not overt

in the legal form of the state

so for example china's deep state is just the communist party of china

it's completely transparent

and it has an overt existence it's not formalistic

because formalism belongs to the realm of wose aumocracy

but it's occupying a sphere of sovereignty

outside of the formal state

we have that too

but it's not explicit it's in the shadows

so that's to answer your question what is the deep state well that's what the deep state is

it's an objective and very real

formation

finds what the deep state is not you or some other assole you met in the chat room the fucking party and the on who defen

yeah but but the thing is like i just defined it in less than a minute

so i don't know why you're fucking

sowing out

that's what the party defies as it

concentrated fucking capital you doterts

no concentrated capital is a theoretical abstraction

unless you're going to refer to the very determinate forms of concentrated capital

that actually do exist

what you're really trying to say when you say things like

concentrated capital

is that you're trying to say

concentrations of a specific ideology

or ideal of a system

or a principle of some kind or

even worse the absence of socialism

you're basically trying to prove a negative and say something negative

namely defined by the absence of the implementation of your specific ideology

is what's in power

the problem with saying concentrations of capital

and mongering about about capital this capital that is that capital is an abstraction

is it possible

that upon overthrowing this very real

formation

of determine its monopoly capital

like the actual corporations in the deep state

and that whole network the city of london wall street

is it possible that capital could still survive

of course it's possible

when the bolsheviks implemented their land reform

and overthrew the russian aristocracy

lenon kept saying

capitalist relations are constantly being renewed and replenished

every minute of every day yada yada yada in the countryside

so that in and of itself doesn't destroy capital

the destruction of capital comes about

through the positive construction

corresponding to socialist

construction it's a positive development

but you can't define the very real and determinate relations that shape our reality

in terms of capital or concentrations of capital

because you're just being ideological at that point

i mean yeah technically reactionary socialists populists of all kind

maybe they can overthrow the ruling class and over the capital

now you may make the case

that ok but at the end of the day like ten years from now or something

the s another ruling class will take its place maybe right

but we're dealing with reality in its actual determinant

existence

not in terms of which principles or which ideologies

will lead to what outcomes

so to answer the question

it's like it's like let's say you're at war and let's say there's a guy with a gun walking around

and

he's he's one guy with a gun walking around and he's shooting everyone

ok

and i say we need a fucking get rid of that guy

because he's a threat to all of us

and then you say now what we really need to get rid of is toxic basculitity because toxic basculiity is the source

ok i mean maybe you're right you may or may not be right

but in the here and now and in the most immediate sense

this is the reality that is confronting us

you know

you're trying to basically say that the thing that's threatening my life

is the absence

of your gender ideology

when that's just ideological in materialis terms the thing that's threatening my life is that fucking guy who's carrying and fucking real gun walking around

so you see this like

this is what left comms do all the time so this argument that he's making is just completely bankrupt

right

he it's like this overly ideological perspective that doesn't recognize

the ambiguity in hate inherent in the material relations

that

comprise

our political and social reality

there's an ambiguity there it's not inherently a principle or an ideology or anything like that

small capital

can still be possible after you destroy

the ruling class

just because they're not destroying capitalism as a principle

doesn't mean you're not destroying the ruling class

what you what you may

be able to justify saying is oh you're going to destroy the ruling class

but another ruling class will just come and take its place

well to put it in deloss terms

that's the only window of opportunity you're ever going to have you do have to risk that this it's just going to be a return of the same

the larse stresses

the importance of repetition for that reason

we're delays

repetition is actual this actually the source of novelty

when you repeat something

you're setting it on its real ground

and you're returning it

to the embrace of eternity you're returning it to the embrace out of which

real novelty the real production of novelty becomes possible

just by repetition

right

in the

i don't know if i'd call it an act but indeed

in the in

structure of repetition

something new

only only in the structure of repetition can anything new

emerge

when you try to bypass repetition

you're stuck with the specific repression right when freud says what we

what we repress we are doomed to repeat

de los very intelligently puts that on its head and he says

what we do not repeat we are condemned to repress

which is a very intelligent insight

it's a materialist reversal of freud which is extremely intelligent

i don't debate

and i would not debate these people because i wouldn't want to raise them up because

because like he immediately knows that in a debate he would lose and that's the

the perst that comes to his head is

oh i'm going to mention has and i'm going to mention maga communism

and people are going to expect that i debate this

well to make it easy for you matt

the reason people expect you to debate this

is because people think it's unfair

that

you can sit here and use your platform to spew a bunch of pseudointellectual shit

and

i get to be depicted as a dumb guy

and i get to be defined by the narrow and

frankly like imbecilic frame of mind that you're stuck with and that's all the gets to define me

but my viewers can very clearly see

there's a lot more to this haws got haws is way more intelligent way more insightful

and weigh smarter

than the caurricature matt christman makes of me

and in an open debate that would be proven to the whole world it would be proven to your audience to

the reason why audience wants you to debate me

because they just want more people to bear witness to the fact

that there is more to hause

than what you're capable of articulating or at least

dishonestly presenting

to your audience in order to maintain your specific

sociocultural milleu and faction of politics

if you

depicted me honestly and you actually gave honest representation to my arguments

you wouldn't be able to sustain your little echo chamber

or your little fucking clouk

faction

of

influencers it would completely collapse

that's why people want you to debate me matt

as they are marginal it doesn't matter it's just people trying to

make some money

find some group

well i don't know how marginal we are

if you're talking about it

right and you're saying oh we just want to make money

i'm not making a lot of money to be honest

i'm really not

i

i could probably make more money being a hakkim lipshit why because i'm like a

aggressive masculine man

and if you combine that with like oceness i could be like

the mini version of hassan

both physically and

you know i

figuratively i could be like a mini hasan i could probably be like at least

a quarter the size of a song but if i st bind gigachad masulin you can view a video dingldrict and then control of keywords like marxist

okay

a

thank you

weprechiate the donor

u i could probably at least be if i combine my gigachat aesthetic with voceness

i think i' would be very popular actually i think i' would be extremely popular

and

because people like opposites when i when youus have like a gigachad guy with gigachad takes

it's actually not that popular with people believe it or not and i know i understand that from a very visceral psychoanalytic perspective

so i know what i'm doing hurts me a lot in terms of my ability to make money

you know

but i don't care

i'm willing to risk that

were this

is this is what i believe in

group of people who want a story told to them that'll feel are you

comparing yourself to hassan as being smaller

a

because i think physically speaking hassan

there's more of that factor of like a stereotypical chad

i'm only five eight i'm not that's all

i

a sunt is bigger than

i never denied that he is bigger than

so it would be a mini hassan yeah

but

you know

i've never lied about anything right

yeah i'm smarter than hassan but am i physically bigger than him fok no i'm not he's probably one hundred pounds more than me

that's a fact

he's like a hundred probably a hundred pounds more than me

i guess i'm bigger than him in spirit

and in the

in will power

and the you know

soul but

it helps to be six fives helps to be six four

i'm never lied

it does help to be six four it helps to be tall

on the internet especially it helps to really

it really helps to be tall on the internet

does

i'm beefier i doubt that both in mass and in height hassanas be me

guys we're not going to just deny reality let's just

six

there's no need to deny reality

it's a fact

he' he's dumber than i am

he's less knowledgeable than i am

i think that's all that we have to care about

i'm not boxing him we

and i mean i'm on the internet

but uh yeah that's a fact

and people care about that shit on the internet people want to look up to someone

who you know they're like oh yeah that guy's taller

well americans do at least on the internet that's that's a fact

game

people

there's a lot of respect

on the internet that comes with hight

do i respect it n i don't g a fulk right

but i'm just being up soberly honest about how most people are like in cells on the internet they like

they want

everyone to take all the boxes

good it'll be delicious good smelling gasoline

so

who am i to stop them

but i also don't want to help them and debating them would only help them

but i just

you're right it would help us but you have to sit back and ask why would it help us right it's because we're coming from a position of righteousness

and all you would be doing is giving us the opportunity to expose that fact

so the question is matt how long can you really run for because

sooner or later

the light is going to break through the darkness whether it's under the terms you want or not

at least if you debate us you can pull some like

fucking snake shit

try and make look bad like hassan did with andrew tate

but the dis shit is coming out either way so you can either try to control it in a debate or you can

you know sit back and watch it happen outside your control

i don't understand how anyone could make any argument that they are marxists

that they understand things as a politics as an expression of material

class interest

and class conflict

and not see that the party structure

that that not just the party structure but the

entire cultural superstructure that produces maga

see that's where your

completely wrong

the part of the two party system we see maga as a vehicle with which to smash the two party system

including the current form of the republican party

but you're saying the culture that gives rise to maga let's see what you have to say

cannot be conquered because what you agree on some

no we don't want to conquer it we just want to properly analyze and understand it

which is something i doubt you could do actually i mean what do you think produces maga in non abstract terms in like a deter

as a determinate real world analysis

not as like the assertion of negatives like what actually

produces maga

because what i think produces margo

is a genuinely independent

foundation

or

a counter hegemonic

culture and politics

which lies in specific relations of production that are outside of the institutional control

of the current superstructure

it's it's like romsky plus male

and it's simple right

maga provides an independent basis

for the creation of us you know

sorry not maga but

the partisan hinterlands out of which maga emerges

provides the basis for all counter heademonic partisan politics all of them

all of them

everyone can get a platform

literally everyone

if you're against the status quo you have a chance with mago

you don't have a guarantee i know you want to guarantee you don't have a guarantee you have a chance

you don't have a chance in the superstructure that prevails

you have it because the maga is not a superstructure

it's

the hinterlands out of which counter had amonic superstructures are trying to be born

he's a gramshi critical theory guy i think he larps as one and he pretends to be one

i think he just as a guy who watched a lot as s w videos

theyre small he's a gramshe

critical theory guy

all the language he uses about marxism is from the biggest losers in western marxism yeah and in addition i don't think he actually is those things i think what he is

he's a guy who watched a lot of youtube videos

about zx

and he like arpss like an analyst

some abstract issue

because that's not what it's composed of it's composed of cultural affinities produced culturally

so the word culture is going to be very

vague here because culture comompasses

m

literally

everything

outside of

natural

relations the laws of nature

economic relations production which cannot be directly affected in any kind of

voluntary way

and

raw political power

so everything outside of those three things is culture

now if you did read gromsky

romsky's basic idea is that in the same way

that you can use politics

to get ahead of the economic relations of productions is in the case of the october revolution

same can be said with culture

and what gram she's revealing is not so much a negligence of

the economic base

or the political base

but more a clarification of the temporal order

with which those things manifest their significance to us

culture is a site

of indeterminate antagonisms within the political superstructure

the political superstructure is a site of antagonisms

within the economic relations of production

logically speaking

culture can then be a site of class warfare

by proxy

it is the most advanced or

most um

concentrated

and most indeterminate site of antagonism

that indeterminacy allows it to give the most raw and real expression

to the class struggled

and by the way it's not just culture because as you can see

politics seems like it's downstream from culture if maga is just a cultural

thing

how did fuck on january sixth happen

is that culture

you know

literally contesting the sanctity

of the existing form of american sovereignty

culture can do that

oh if you think if culture can do that you should see what it did in china

ow man

the actual spine of policy

is determined by money

but policy isn't what matters what matters is the class struggle policy is still within the frame of booz wile politics class struggle is an irreducible antagonism

so first of all you're wrong about

what this is about now second of all

if you're saying politics is about money

that's true

but how you raise money is also related to all of this for example

populism lends itself to small donations

being outside being financially independent which trump seemed to be

also gives rise to the possibility of hosting populist forms of politics

so okay yeah money is

money is necessary for politics

but

what does what does the way money is produced

for political purposes say about the relations of production

that these political movements

represent

or at least interface with how do they interface with these relations

and it's like

i'm sorry that's basic narxist analysis how do you overthrow that how do you argue no no no you see we're going to like unite with them and just talk to them

you're all just voting for republicans moran

i think this is projection because that's what you're doing with the democrats

i also don't think you do not understand what's going on within the republican party itself it's collapsing

it's not even sustainable that di vision is so severe in the republican party

not sustainable in the long run

they're already trying to prime dessants

to get control of this thing

if you're saying how do you raise money for a political movement i think that's the easy part

the hard part is articulating a massively popular political movement in the first place

but the raising money i mean that's easy small donations are are quite literally enough

quite literally they are not

now the bolsheviks had other ways of getting money too

which helped them for a long time actually

but we would never discuss those kinds of ways right because

it's out of the question

but

like i don't know what you're asking right it's like what are you actually asking here

any electoral political project means voting in rooting

voting for a party and then going online every day to reaffirm your vote that you haven't taken yet it won't take for six months or ten months or whatever the fuck

reaffirming it with your expression it's weird because like i think he voted for biden

and yet i've never voted in my life

i'm not even registered do you guys know i'm not registered to vote

how many of you know that i'm not even registered to vote

did you know that

i'm twenty six

i am not registered to vote

i couldn't even vote if i wanted to i would have to register first

and i'm not registered

i get shit in the mail all the time asking me to register the vote and i wipe my fuck and ass with it

i'm not even fuckin registered to vote

buta

gris appreciate o offer a minimalist policy tailing the dems

but when it comes to pups it's forbotten

it just shows them gatekeeping the basic dichotomy

questions of political identity online and fantasizing that you're could you're a

engagement in that contest is somehow moving the needle somewhere

well judge judging by your reaction it very clearly is

because it's your it's disturbing you it's provoking

but it is moving the meat needle in terms of the ideological info war

does it immediately move is it immediately overthrowing fucking capitalism no but

youre many orders it's like you're many steps away from what we're doing here

we are giving new meaning to the word communism which is the word

most leftists are very reluctant to use

by being the most bold users of the word communism

and associating that with marga

we're basically destroying

the foundation of your ideological consciousness

while redeeming the meaning of communism in the american context to be more aligned with what it means

in countries like russia and china

so if all you're doing is voting then you'ren your your precious ideas about well actually in order capitalism is what's undermining our ability to create a

the sort of the

traditional family structures

yeah capitalism is an abstraction

ok you're not being specific enough

capitalism is like a mode of production

very old one

by now if you still believe it's the more dominant motor production

it's not going to be particularly useful as far as understanding anything about the contemporary world

it's not specific enough

right it's ok people make money who gives a fuck people have made money for hundreds of years

how are they making money

what does money even mean any more that's what fucking matters

is that the

that the humble working class of america truly prefer

oh that's very i mean which they clearly do but ok

i guess because it's a cliche

that means it's somehow false or illegitimate so

anything that is repeated often enough

is wrong

because hipsters occupy a privileged subjective position

that gives them insight into the truth of all beings

by virtue of not being attached to any determinate instant instance

of real being

right if anything is so real

and it gets repeated often enough

it's not really ight

chapo tried to steal the mongol meme from us to prop up pretty scarre

you can detect which was bed acking yes that was so patheting victory twenty thirty so the way they tried to steal that was so pathetic

yeah

nice that's a very interesting analysis what are you going to do with it you're going to piss it into the ether meanwhile the party is going to do what the party does

and is going to frame every resultant misery in culture war terms and all you will end up doing is rooting along for some

one flavor of techno

democratic

uh uh jem

um no i don't think so i think what we want to do is make alliances

with a lot of the maga leaders some of which are republican politicians

some of the populist ones

we want to make inroads with the maga base and we envision that to be turned into we think there's going to be a split in the republican party

and we want

to play a role in this

so i know i don't

i don't know why you're thinking we're going to blindly f if the santis is a

elected to the leadership of the republican party are we going to fuck in

shilford the santis fock nohere not

right so it's like

what are you been saying

in aside

and the thing is it's like

it doesn't

it doesn't matter if

those people the maga people would be reachable if you sat them all down and got to talk to them

or you like worked with them towards a common goal

like if you were in a workplace together with them

now thew we're talking

now if you're talking about hey

let's get everybody who works at this amazon

ok so so economism so union organizing is the only

form of class struggle

whereas politics is impossible

okay i mean just like

read lenin

because this debate happened a long time ago

and it was settled a long time ago

and it wasn't even just by fucking lennin

ok it's like marx and angles we're responding to this dumb bullshit

th the early social democrats before they the world war one

walkin responded to this shit this is old old news it's called economism that's what you're saying

sorry that's not economism economism

ic sually i think economism could also apply

it's usually it applies to this kind of like fatalistic view that the development of capitalis must happen

but it also applies in other contexts to

emphasizing the workplace

first of all and also what's funny is that

why would economics struggle

principlelity manifest itself

or finally manifest slf at the workplace

the workplace isn't even the most fundamental site of economic relations anymore economic relations

are far more vast than abstract in scale

than the fuck and shop floor in twenty twenty two

you are like a hundred years in the past at this

i mean le put it this way the shop floor

wasn't even the most

advanced site of socialization

when lonard wrote the fucking book imperialism

so what makes you fucking think the shop floor is the most

fundamental side of economic struggle today it's not

the most fundamental side of economic struggle

probably has more to do with consumption

where are people investing their money

who are people giving their money to

most of it boycotts all this kind of shit that's where shit seems to really happen

politically right

apartheid look at what happened with apartheid south africa

wasn't strikes that brought it down it was boycotts

it was on a recruitment facility

or fulfillments of filled center

this wal mart

we at all these people together to work to better their working conditions

my god

all of a sudden their understanding of politics is going to change by doing

you know it's all about getting people into smaller and smaller sites

of engagement so you know what forget about wal mart why don't you just lock maga people into a very

small clown car

where they will be unable to avoid

you accosting them

and

that you will force attention

so what you're talking about is the forcible exaction of attention because you're unable

to earn people's attention

you want to impose attension on people in the workplace

and that's where you think you're going to make a difference

waits

pretty

setting

o

but that's not what this is a rest this's not what that's about this is this says all that stuff's a distraction the labor movement

that the new thing the new hotnesss by the way

for these people is to say that

the that like the bolshevik party and was never actually

driven by union

uh uh at at at at union organizing in rush

ah it was

it definitely was

but

only in so far as the unions were politically controlled by the party and when they weren't

the bolsheviks were there to try and wrest to germany

for political leadership of the unions

so it was p it was a primarily political struggle

the second thing is that unions had a different significance

at that time

they were one of the highest forms of socialization out of which

a political constituency could be built

and that's no longer the case today with the fucking internet in the information age

probably wasn't even the case

you know in the immediate post war period where there were sites of socialization

far more

fundamental than unions

so it's about the significance that unionization had back then

politics is

is a coalition of interests political party at least

and i think the amazon labor union would have a very

significant

role to play

yeah

but communists

if they're communists focus on building political power

political organization a political party

political platform a political strategy

and the labor

first of all is this the equivalent to the labor over the past no it's not

but what you're referring to that's secondary that's a site

within which your political position should

triy to acquirer geminy

it's not these sites of political

struggle it's a sight

or acquiring political agemity

you still need to have a political struggle

it is very much

far beyond the bounds of the

by the way this is basic marxism

f you didn't know

that that that it never tailed the labor movement that's the argument that it was always

it didn't tail the labor movement

by any means

it's just like

precious vanguard

its like yeah the leadership was this like little diamond of a docturnal perfection created in these

you know in the in the oyster the oysters made in the

in the in the i'm sorry the pearls made in the oysters mouths of london and geneva or whatever the fuck

what

it' is just not true

the period of exile if that's what you're referring to didn't apply to the entirety of the leadership

it applied to some of the leadership

but the exilesm would shaped the leadership wouldhi shaped the leadership

was the political persecution

stalin literally spent time in fucking siberia and labor camps

and he would get viciously beaten by fucking guards

every day

he would be fighting wolves and getting chased by wolves in the fuck and forest

trying to escape i mean

yeah what a fucking you know they're all westernized fucking

what a stupid fucking frankly chauvinistic thing to say

but they were only ever able to get to do anything because when the war started

they were able to address

vast swathes of

bolshevik party members

who were

members of the armed forces

people factory workers

but you mentioned the one that was actually decisive

which was the armed forces

as far as the factory workers were concerned

the mensheviks had a very strong foothold

in the factory workers

believe it or not

and

if it were not for the left s rs which had the peasant support

the bolsheviks would have been outmatched by the mensheviks

worcurs in large concerns where thousands of people work

and they all lived in neighborurhoods right next to each other

and that created a network of

of idealized

likeur ideologically i

ideologically

aligned politically conscious workers

yeah it's kind of like that was the russian maga movement

now yeah

the bolsheviks came along and it's kind of like exactly how mago works you dumbfuck

everything you just described is cultural

consciousness is cultural ideology is cultural

but you just fucking said culture doesn't matter

all that shit is cultural

that's a culturally consolidated political constituency

that's literally what you're referring to

and were able to basically like direct this flow not completely

the choic does go on for two hours when does it end

i day like i have to take a shit when does this soend

shows pretty definitively that the bolsheviks were only ever like lightly in the saddle of the workers and

troop soldiers movement in r in mosque in sin petersburg

because in july

when lennin was like it is not time for a fucking revolt we do not have the resources to do it we don't have the capacity

that is when the workers and and soldiers of

the bosvi the party said fuck that it's time to go to the streets

and the bolsheviks essentially had to

post facto validate that movement

in order to maintain their credibility with the workers

what

it was only after that that entered that pulse was beaten back

that like the working class got the message that lenin and his people had already been able to figure out

that it wasn't time yet

one time was right

they were both ready for it

they were coming at it from me their other ends

but

neither would have been possible without the other but the crucial thing is

is that i completely like on zoned out from what he just said so

i cannot

if i'm not responding it's deliterally i don't even know what he just said

i'm paying attention now

the party itself would have been power less without them

and

the and maga communism is not

about that

ok yeah it is about that because maga's the fuck and same for the working class in america

like holy shit you just twisted yourself into a fucking pretzel

a the new argument is is that uh

x y and z don't count as working class

therefore no no no no we don't even give a fuck about that actually

the fucking argument is that maga is the working class by and large you keep fucking denying reality calling them boat dealers

because a fucking minority of them own boat dealerships but by and large it's the working class the real marxist traditional working class that carried maga into significance why because they want fucking manufacturing

good paying jobs again

because the fundamental primary contradiction as they see it is the way jobs were shifted overseas

and they didn't just become baristas and shit because of that they became fentan al addicts

their fucking communities and way of life was devastating

so no it's not that we're saying oh starbucks isn't the working class

we don't give a fuck about starbucks

the point is you're ignoring the mago working class

starbucks is very negligible compared to that

you only focus on starbucks and you only focus on nurses and shit

because you hate the working class and you think they're fascist and toxic

because they don't like glasses wearing cucks like you

that's what we're fucking saying

holy fox

should not their organizing organizing should not be

considered meaningful

uh you it should be no no it's not meaningful to us

tell me what the fuck we're going to do with starbucks organizing nothing

a the only time in which we can even address any relevance of starbucks is when we

bucking plant our feet in the american working class and have a solid core base in the american working class

and after that if you want to talk about starbucks you can fuck and talk about

not one moment before not one moment before you have a foothold a political foothold

in the american working class

you get to talk about fucking baristas that is all we have ever maintained

because that way anything we say about bis stas will be from the perspective of the interests of general labor

and general labur's interests

can only find manifestation in one faction of labor

and it's always been the industrial working class that has never changed

the nature of industry as far as marxism is concerned doesn't change in so far as it refers to the way

in which

nature is transformed

real things are produced

starbucks coffee

does not account for the reproduction of the conditions of the subsistence

of starbucks workers

starbucks

stat up

dots it's stage staging dots

it's a distraction

now what is

starbucks needs to be on welfare to get by

because plainly put

starbucks labor doesn't fucking reproduce itself

if it can't reproduce itself it doesn't produce surplus value

isn't a distraction is

waiting for is routing for job fucking j d vance

and what blake masters to get to the senate so

did you guys know i don't even know who blake masters is i'm literally the mastermind behind this whole thing i don't even know who blake masters is that's how uch of a straw man he's building

the bacon what

what precisely do you think they're going to fucking do

i don't know who are you talking to

they're going to post the epic maca communism

uh active which mega communists are talking about those guys

i don't know any

i don't even know who blake masters is i invented maga communism i don't know who that fucking guy is

on twenty three where we all get medicare for all

but there's only two jet two pronouns

and you get one like issued for you by the government and all the liberals are owned you think

oh i know why he's fucking butthhurt cause you were the dirt bag leftist towars the burnybro

and now you're not because you compromise with the libs or you capitulated to them

and now like we're out here being the real o g left wing populace

and you're like

seeving about it because you're like oh my god that makes everything i did meaningless yeah it does congratulations you're fucking coward and traitor

if you were even ever on our side to begin with which you weren't

probably

going to pass that you fucking dullards

they might pass such a pseudo intellectual

he's like sweating and shaking and shitting

why nothing you said is profound

nothing you said is of any

as any profundity

to

i don't know why you're like so passionate about something

you don't even understand

as some shit like yeah uh uh no other

pronouns are allowed anywhere

but the ones you're worn with

but you're sure should not getting some attendant

mega communist social welfare system because there's nothing pushing for that

yeah but we don't want that

fucking idiot

we we're we don't want social

we don't want to another social welfare system

we want a fucking productive

social we want to fucking

communist economy

we don't want to social welfare system

where people mooch off the fuck in government

we want to build

and unleash the forces of production china style so what are you talking about

this is all happening in the political what realm the two parties that are

not

gred want free shit just vote for andrean

what

why would you even support bernie at this point if you just want free shit just vote for yang

the five

in

from below they're driven i want free shit and i want to control people's behavior

yang gives us too much freedom

no

aboue

but i mean people but

i still appreciate and sympathize with that instinct a little bit because

looking at the people who have especially the people who supported berney and the primaries who are now grasping to the fucking hohle of the democratic party desperately trying

to turn it into some vehicle for for working class operations socialist vision

is so sad i ca understand why he is far away from that sort thing possib because it is a test spectacle

tll be like look i get a left to win ok we' get what we want

they're doing what they want they're doing what they think works for them if they're supporking crumbs the fall you can pick up

congratulations you had nothing to do with it

you're at the mercy of this party as just a spectator and roer for it

which is what your politics are you are going to explicitly in every page of every puck magazine is this democratic party and it's left side in some sort of some sort of negotiating position with one anoth

and thatans that we're partners the same way that the ownership and labor union are partners in the fck seventies

when they said wereing all talking manu factu jobs to mexico what you to do about it because they want to lose their jobs as labor leaders the labor union said fine we'll talk at and they did

because by that point were class no oner a sert of how would organizing at the workplace prevent that when you don't have your own independent political

uh hei germany uh

their interest and why is a perfect scly why would they ale do that

in chapter five i believe

seven i don't know look up thegether

and the next chapter of richard pirs las passgs honestlyh it politics and the kind of re powers you specifical about this question

in the world the other chapter the political round the sketches one we in post nineties one we limen

this was really clinton who bilayed the bipartisan consensus around the liberalism and made it a

they closse look

that was created

by going lapten

structural factors within the elite ruler class america

the ara forces that sustain the post war american utopia

were compromised

were these sty was

and contant power concentrated away from sort of a consensus

sailing between different

up

i just i don't i don't i'm done i don't have to watch this whole thing i think like he didn't make any other arguments that are if he did you can

pt am out but

i don't see how he did now

nw typically at this point i would end the stream

but because i'm greedy i'm going to keep streaming

except

um i'm going to go take a long shift

probably five to ten minutes possibly

and then i'm coming back

and the reason is greek

because i skipped yesterday so i have to make up for it

and it's just great

and you know who know i'm not you know

this is what it is i'm going to keep streaming

so i'm going to go take a shit and i'll be right back

i might even bring some food

and i might eat in front of you and talk to you guys for a second

and then we're going to watch some jordan peterson stuff but we're done with the chapel

ch

all right i have to shit so bad

but i feel like i should leave you guys something

so i'm going to leave you with

britain's second empire

the spider d

and i'm going to leave that

for you guus to watch

and i'm going to go shit while you guys watch this documentary

thank you irbole jerk appreciate you man

i'll be right back

peculiar place

just kidding it might be like fucking

might be a long time

it might be like falk in the

ten twenty it could be twenty minutes depending along after wipe i'm going to be honest

it's a guy mo

prott guys if i take a long time taking a shit's because i'm in the i'm stuck in the endless white

ey that's the only reason it's the endless wipe there's never another reason

so i'm just letting you guys know you know destiny things so much practicaler

thatsnes crakul appreciate you so much

ah that's a fact

and

we're going on normal speed

n'm putting it nine minutes in because a lot of you have watched this already

so i'm playing this now

and

i will be right back

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it has been called a city within a city a state within a state it is run by an organization called the city of london corporation a private company that performs all the functions of a local council with a private police force and private courts those of you who aren't from the u k some of you even who are might not be aware just how weird a thing the little city of london

is within the big city the big london the city of london is a separate entity to the wider london and it has its own heads the lord mayor he's distinct from the mayor he runs the rest of london every november the city stages the lord mays show the world's oldest civic procession

the city of london has long had this curious legal status because back in ten sixty six when william the conquor came over the city was one of the only portions of england that he failed to conquer and he struck a deal

with the city in ten sixty seven that allowed them to continue function to this day the city of london is exempt from numerous laws that govern the rest of britain its political system derives from the middle ages the city's electorate is dominated not by its residents but by the private businesses operating within the city its lord man is selected by the heads of med

evil guilds they have a representative in the house of commons called the remembrance apart from the clocks of the court of the classic commons the only unelected person there all of the lobbyists have to stop you know in the lobby and not allowed pass the lobby the city of london has a permanent representative in the house of commons whose role is to report back

to the city of london corporation and to lobby parliament on behalf of the city the corporation of london clearly it's a uniquely unique and interesting phenomenon that should have attracted many political scientists ptic economist an economist but i don't know if anyone who studi systematically the corporation

london its impact on policy or economic policy so we can only smise some people assume or smise that cooperation london is extremely powerful and is able in one way oranother to shape british policy particularly with in financial matters cle atley the prime minister of the

had had someing to say about the st corporation it is yes so over and over again we have seen that there is in this country another power than that which has its seat at westminster the city of london a convenient term for a collection of financial interests is able to assert itself against the government of the country those who control money can pse a policy at home and abroad

contrary to that which has been decided by the people at the heart of the city of london stands the bank of england the bank of england is not just a central bank it is also a financial regulator at the demise of empire the bank of england

use this regulatory authority to help attract the world's banks to london in one nine hundred seventy two the bank of england issued a license to the bank of credit and commerce international which set up its head office in london within ten years b c c i grew into the seventh largest bank in the world ten years later

b c ci was bankrupt the deputy director of the cia richard kerr said late today that the cia did use b c ci to support cia activities overseas but b c ci had not just collaborated with the world's intelligence services it had also engaged in extensive financial fraud

money laundering and terrorist financing the c c i constituted international global crime of a level that boggles the mind b c c i was financing terrorism the bank of england you it says the report but instead of supervising it properly it tried to prevent the bank's collapse i am saying very directly that the bank of eng

sufficient information in front of it to close b c c i fifteen months earlier than it did millions of depositors were hurt in that process numerous whistleblowers from b c c i had contacted the bank of england yet the bank of england did nothing the bank of england had plenty of time to intervene

and investigate but it did not do so because the tradition at that time which still survives is that while actually you know you have to just kind of send nds and talk over lunch tables with the chaps regulating other chaps and all would be well robin lee pemberton the governor of the bank of england at the time of the collapse of b c c i commented

the present system of supervision has served the community well if we closed down a bank every time we found an incidence of fraud you would have rather fewer banks than we do at the moment london was a place for banks to engage in business that was not allowed elsewhere where senior bankers did not have to worry about the consequences of their actions

this is one of the reasons why today there are more banks in london than in any other financial center in britain nobody goes to jail no bankers go to chl generally don't they are a protected species and that is part of the offshore business model of the u k is to say we will protect you we will bring your money here we will look after you we're not going to put you in prison we'll let you do what you want

light touch regulation was one way of attracting business to london another was secrecy from the one nine hundred sixty s onwards city of london institutions began to establish offshore branches in former outposts of the british empire their aim was to create offshore centers with strong secrecy legislation in order to attract capital from across

the globe swiss banking secrecy is the most famous and mos well know you know put the money a swiss bank and they wret they promise not to tell anybody and that's one kind of secrecy but another kind of secrecy which is very british is the trust and the trust is a very slippery complicated and devious mechanism trusts emerged the legend has it from the time

the crusades when the knights would go f and fight in foreign lands and they would leave the assets in the care of trusted stewards what trusts do ultimately is they play with the concept of ownership ownership is not such a simple thing so the settle the knights in this case would hand over the assets to someone who these days would be called a trustee

it's often a lawyer legally you are separated from those assets they're not yours anymore there's a barrier you can't be taxed on them you can't be nobody's going to find anything about your connection to these assets in britain's offshore jurisdictions no qualifications are necessary to be a trustee anyone can set up a trust and act as a trustee there is no registry of trusts there are no

bodies to certify that a trust has been set up the only persons who know about the creation of this agreement the trustee and the settler there's no obligation to register it there is no financial reporting obligation of trusts they're not required to put annual statements on to account anywhere so actually trusts to

intents and purposes invisible arrangements economist john christiensen was an economic advisor to the secrecy jurisdiction of jersey for ten years we're not talking about a few million we're talking now about trillions trillions of dollars capital which apparently belong to nobody for tax purposes and for other purposes they belong to nobody

thing works of arts gold bullion horse race horses cars real estate not just financial assets but a whole lot of non financial assets belong to these trusts sitting there belonging to nobody now think that one through but we are talking about maybe as much as fifty trillion dollars

of assets sitting offshore behind these instruments wll the cayman islands are among several british overseas territories who have signed a new information exchange agreement with britain and the rest of europe to tackle tax evasion the countries are now required to automatically provide details of the ownership of bank accounts and how they're used caman became the first signatory last weekme

be recognized as the first overseas territory to sign such an agreement with the united kingdom and i think thismporantly reflects the constructive approach that the cayman islands has taken in delivering our shared objective of rooting out tax evasion the trust lies at the core of the british secrecy model they don't use banking

secrecy the swiss use banking secrecy the british of course are only too willing to kill up banking secrecy because they will the capture a larger market share that's why the brits are doing this

trusts are the basic building block of anglo saxon secrecy and they form the basis from which complex offshore structures are created every secrecy jurisdiction offers a specific set of services from trusts to shell companies to secret bank accounts and nominee directors the combination of these services into complex structures spanning multiple jurisdictions enables

the creation of secrecy structures that are almost impossible to penetrate an offshore structure will often have a trust kind of sitting at the top of it the trust will be here managing the assets kind of controlling the assets underneath it the trust will own some shell companies each one might be in a different so you might have a trust in one jurisdiction these trustees are somewhere else

else whose beneficiaries are somewhere else which ons offshore companies somewhere else each of these companies might then assets they might own you know a bank account a racehrse a yat painting a portfolio of shares or whatever there are numerous variations of trusts and offshore secrecy structures the are offshore lawyers whose working

entails the creation of ever more complex and obscure structures the aim of these structures is to hide the identity of the owners of offshore assets and allow offshore wealth to be recycled back into global markets looking on the amount of money being administraighted tax haven you see that the

herb going like this and all the talking we have been doing along with other wonderful people fighting against tax ii wentce has not changed doy thing you know it this bd b you say go on talking and go on talking you're interesting me and i'm going on doing what i want to do we know everything today because we have had the panama papers we have seen and we are not

able to act upon it and we are not able to act upon it because this system is really protecting the few people that are having benefit from it and these are in person t very few people but they are powerful and i see in the p

that i'm sitting in the only thing that could change this is to have a public accessible rester of the beneficial ownership of trust and all kind of companies at this the panama papers a a collection of leaks from the offshore law firm s

on sca is the fourth largest offshore law firm the other nine of the ten largest offshore law firms are registered in british overseas jurisdictions

when countries complain to britain about the activities run out of its offshore havens britain claims that these places are independent and that there is nothing it can do i've heard time and time again from officials in berlin and in paris and washington and in other countries that they've been told by the british government yes they're well aware of what's going on in jersey and theyink

it's very unfortunate but they don't have the powers to intervene with that's straightforward a lie

they do have the powers to intervene they just choose not to

britain plays this kind of game of pretending when it suits them to pretend that these places are independent at the end of the day britain appoints the governor appoints lots of senior people in these places they're responsible for foreign relations and defence and also they can veto their legislation as well so britain has a massive degree of control basically it is controlling these places

is allowing them a little bit of political space

during his time as economic advisor to jersey john christiensen frequently traveled to london for talks with various british government departments as economic advisor i had a lot of contact with different departments traditionally u k governments have tried not to interfere in the domestic affairs of places like jersey said happens a more subtle

or way you can go talk to someone eith at the home office or the treasury and they say we're not actually particularly keen on this piece of legislation it might be a good idea if you didn't go down that route and over a cup of tea that's quite a strong signal that's a signal go back to the island and say they don't want you to do this

the british government prefers not to interfere overtly instead it communicates its desires through informal discussions there is no paper trail or official statement discussions take place behind closed doors the relationship to these places have with london is very much

t the british establishment and people understanding each other mean anybody who knows who is british or knows a british british people knows that communication between us is often very subtle and you have to kind of know the codes when people say stuff i mean a lot of irony involved and a lot of kind of codified language the british establishment

that people kind of understand how it works and i think that is very much the case with the british relationship with the tax havens i think there's a lot of understanding of what we can and can't do without anyone having to actually spell it out by keeping its power hidden britain is able to claim that these jurisdictions are politically autous

independence for caman is not on government's agenda that's the message being sent to the uun special committee on decolonization attorney steveh macphel will be representing government at the u n meeting the committee was set up to help colonies around the world on the road to independence but mr macpheiel says he'll be making it clear that caman is not ready for that transition and that message is done the premier his cabinet

his party has no mandate from the peop of the cayman islands to seek independence that is the message i will be carrying

yah

when the bahamas declared independence from britain ine thous nineteen sixty seven the offshore bankers relocated to the cayman islands and continued their business from there it was the british connection that reassured bankers and their clients that their money was safe this british bedrock that is what has allowed these places to become so trusted by the financial services

industry and offshore finance and all these people in reality much of the wealth administered in britain's offshore havens is controlled from london the city of london by large likes to do its really dirty work outside the might have bd be a regulator actue takes the job seriously and starts to prosecute them for fraud in london

so better to do the fraud's offshore in gibraltar or jersey where there's much less risk than a serious prosecution will ever happen

i have to interrupt this documentary

to introduce

the world

to a a lebanese dish

it's called menir shibne

and it's cheese bread

and it's better than pizza

and it tastes like sexual intercourse

and it's literally one of my favorite foods in the world and it's this one in particular

that's the best now this one was in the fridge

so because it was in the fridge

it wasn't as good

as when you get it fresh out of the oven

like cat

but it's still fucking delicious it's like cold pizza

so i'm going to be the food review guy for a second

ho folk do i have three hundred

don't know who donated

would the fok donated

ah thank you

turbo jerko

jok jok

thanks

anyway you guys

so first you take a bite

nw since i penetrated into it

you see the cheese

go back and heat it

i don't know how i don't know for how long or how to do that

now as a mediterranean male

this is our natural cuisine

it's literally bread and cheese

and it tastes better than any pizza you'll ever have

and this is what we' like

as mediterranean men

we just like bread and cheese and we like sitting around eating bread and cheese

that's what we like

why no dip

k

first of all fat as

sometimes you its eat things out they are

you don't need dip

you don't need filling you need spice you need a dumbshit it literally tastes better than anything you think of

yeah it's better heated

i'll give you up

it's much better heated

but ah

it's unbeatable

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yeah

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oh maen

amen

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if you don't live in dearborn michigan

if you don't live in michigan you're not going to find the

famass

the only places youre going to find this is in lebanon

or in michigan you're not going to find anywhere else

mm

ya it's men ish

manous whatever you are called

i think wikipedia calls it manakish or some shit

but i

it looks dry

it's not

is the cheese

ah man it

it's the cheese ok

it seems basic this shit seems basic right

it seems like it's super funking basic

it's not

i wn't know why it's not

it's the cheese this is high quality fuck in lebanese cheese

it's on no it's not monsarella

i don't know it's a very unique cheese flavor

promise you

they don't got to sit at the bodaga

you need a bakery

he needed an oven to make this of littteral ancient oven

that

yeah you can get it with ztar

i don't like zatar

but i do like it

and i think the zatter ones you do dip those you do dip those in olive oil

the cheese one is so flavorful

and it's so juicy and so full of flavor

you don't dip this one in anything

if you dip this into a ranch or some shit

i would

fuck and send you to jail

but these the outhter one i think you do dip that one

i'm correct

i think they do dip that way

and they dip it in olive oil

what they do

but this one is so flavorful

i've never seen anyone dip this way

the cheese one

if you dip this one you're a fat ass it's so greasy and oily and buttery

already

it's very greasy

seal just looks like a dry piece of bread but it's very greasy it's very oily it's very buttery

it's very flavorful

no

it's nothing like pancakes

not

i

i already had one today

i can't even eat this whole thing

has i already had one today

w i have my beard

so i'm going to go put this in the fridge

which one

all right

damn i feel so disgusting

feel fat as he

o euyes

we're going to wrap it up

bordan peterson

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tomorrow will do it and stream tomorrow

we'll do the jordan peterson content

tomorrow we said through you shyeah but you got to watch the documentary

didn't you

you got to watch the documentary

i said

no i didn't

i was greedy guys

come on

was being greedy

i just said that shit

because i wanted to scream more

but

think

i

and full

scammed

did i take any money

after i said that lie

if i if i took someone's money i'll do the join beter

if anyone

if i stole your money i'll do it

as you paid

whoever paid for it speak now

and you can

decide

yes who did i take money from

their choice

destiny's crack dealer and turbo

jerkoat

i took ok where's turble jerker it's his choice

his choice

tomorrow

mmhmm

all right fine we'll watch some of it

what's up

whata' some

nrdan peterson

no what so

orden

in germany

now where is it

energy

good morning revolution

oh thank you

i

m j thanks much

now where is it

jordan

ah i cannot find that foking video

so this i have to filter these results

here

i just don't know how to do that

yeah

this might be the one

the psychogic

you know our prime minister in canada has just decided to do the same thing to canadian farmers that the netherlands has done to the dutch farmers

he's going to force them

because he likes to use force because he's saving the planet even though he's not

he's going to force them to reduce their nitrous oxide output and

here get this man this is something

he decided that he's going to do that

without calculating the ratio of pollution produced to food produced

and so the provinces and the farmers are pushing back and saying well how about you judge our

polluting use on the basis of how much food we produce wouldn't that be like vaguely reasonable and the answer from the feds has been no we want an absolute reduction and that's exactly an example of this low resolution narcissistic moralism that is substituting both for genuine religious conviction and for genuine knowledge and i would say our prime minister in canada he is if it isn't juscindaar

and camela harris it's definitely just intrudeau who are the poster people for this sort of thinking very briefly it it's a great example of how economists would approach this conversation it's basically saying look there's something nice about this idea of reducing nitrogen deposits

it actually you know especially biologist but also other people like the fact that there are low fertilizer areas you know where where different kinds of sparse plantations live and that can be a nice sort of ecosystem but if you ask most people how much are you willing to pay for that so you know the other sent said is we can't produce as much food we can't keep our culture a lot of farmer

are going to go bankrupt and of course also that you're just going to move this nitrogen deposit to for instance developing countries instead right exactly you have to ask what's the weighing of these two things

we do that all

so that's not the onined

this must be the one

ologist dr jordan peterson is one of the world's most fascinating

and controversial intellectual

book slll by the boatload

it talks back theatters across the globe millions watch him online

when he speaks people listen

and to be the murdered today at length

and we'll ad most of that conversation

next week but on the day that putin threatened a nuclear war on the west i had to ask jordan petersen

but his analysis on the war in ukraine is response

was as grave as it was startling

that's world's most famous psychologist w began

b asking for his view on vladimir putin

as a man

well he's a lot more like everybody else than anyone thinks

you know the notion that he's hitler is stellin that's just foolish

i don't see any evidence for that at all

mean first of all hitler and stellen were very singular types and there's a bit of hitler and stellen and everyone so you know there's some truth in that maybe there's more in the typical russian lit bitre in everyone

realdly

there's more than a bit

really

oh

what a response

yah that it's s's like a dramatic

oh it's just like it works you know

oh

absolutely

yeah well

why would have nazism spread the way it did you know people think well that's all top down it's not top down

this

there's a part of people that

that

all these people who informed on kate burbl saying we didn't go didn't gobll say that the way to get vast numbers of people to go alon with what you want to do is to terrify

yeah well that you could go a grip of terrorism

oh yeah but

and then in a way that's what pugins now they with the russian people were

he's going back now into a position of

they're all trying to get as they want to attack you you i want to take is over he's terrifying his people

to rally support for what at the moment is a

conflict he has started which is not going the way he is you

well the most

uh what would you say the wisest commentators on totalitarian states like

like social net

and many psychological commentators young was a good example of that

made a very

straightforward case that

you can't have a totalitarian state unless every single person is willing to lie about everything all the time

and you can think about that as top down because the leaders lie to

and they also enforce punishments if you don't lie

but then you can also think about it

the totalitarian spirit is replicated at every level of the society and so in a truly totalitarian state

husbands lie to their wives and parents lie to their children and

the totalitarian state is actually the grip of the law

and so

and people will certainly go along with that i mean i mean i're seeing that emerge here with council cultures like lie

yes or else

yes like

yeah well and the russian people

will be bombarded all the time with state media propaganda and will be buying into a lot of what peton

is saying

yam

how does this war end you think

the were going to find out

this winter

well

i

i i know what i would do in his shoes

i'd wait till the first cold snap and shut off the toap

right

well because you i was going to do this got the control over the

course he's going to do that he's already warned the west

with his

insistence that maintenance problems were necessary in the pipelines how do you think i will use a nuclear weapon

if necessary the'll use a tactical battlefield weapon

even if it starts world war threur it won't

probably why because we wouldn't respond

imagine and noukiu would be the craziest thing in the world that be like whow that's next livee

what's in it for us

if you let him do it and get away with it

where does that end

then you are into a well and there's a lot you can get yourself in a situation no problem where there's no good outcome

with

we're trying to do that right now on every front we can possibly imagine

we can easily get ourselves in a situation where it's held this way and

held that way

that

weere

that's highly probable we should the ukrainians

give the russians and the thing

when i was over there recently

interviewing presdent zelenski

what i was struck by was

everybody i met

in

the capital city

were utterly resolute

don't give them

an inch of our lamth

yeah well i don't

i can't speak to that

because i don't know what

the preconditions for peace might be

but i do know that

naive notions that the russians are going to lose somehow

but that we're going to win

i don't i just don't understand i don't understand that well what do you mean we're going to win me eeither

what are we going to win here exactly

well i guess a victory would be that the russians retreat

from ukraine

with with ukraine in ruins

right

well that a lot of right that's a hell of a victory like i think putin could manage that because i think he could tell his people

and i think they might buy it

like

we accomplished our objective we devastated ukraine and we kept it out of the hands of the west

and that's

not great

it's not what we had hoped for but

it's better than the alternative

and i think they would buy that and i think

yeah i don't think they would that's i think that's naive

i don't think if yeah that that would not

wy in russia

that would not fly

when putin went into ukraine i thought

well i thought a bunch of things which i

i made a youtube video about that

people criticized like mad i thought ok well what's happening here

oh i see

his his end game for failure is that that ukraine is left in a smoking room oh that's a victory

so

then he can lose

with impunity

right so how can we win

we can't win against

lot ofmir putin anyways i thought he was going to be smart and mention the energy crisis

i that's not a really smart answer honestly

because

you cannot win against someone you cannot say no to

period

and we can't say no to putin because

we sold our soul for his

oil and gas

and we did that there you

yeah that's smart

a

to elevate our moral stature in relationship to saving the planet

and so

here we are yeah

facing a very dire winter

a hoisted on the petard of our own foolishness

and more

where is a patard

i'm not that educated he said hoisted on the petard

i'm looking at her

the puitar

boys

with his own petard is a

days of speech

in william shakespeare's play ha

why do i not know this i should know this

it's a small

suppse

desice

ah

ah i know what it means now

a hoist with his own puitar

so that's a new word we can say

that's not to o s

so some people are petardic

and some people are petards

ah so the peatoards

in the patardis

hoisted on the own

oysted on the patard

their own making

the c of t o s

the modes

witter

have not taken into account

the petard

btarded nature

of their rule enforce

it seems that they have hoisted themselves on the patard

their own making

they've hoisted themselves on their own patard

and this petarted

accion

has made it possible for the petardist to be named as the petardist

yes petards

yes

tor

gitard

ah plazart

and

perfect

perfect

the perfect storm

oral presumption

we're saving the planet

we'll see i don't think so

it doesn't look like it to me

and this is this is the most catastroph the next debate i'm having i'm saying ist on the plator

saying

prophic

issue here

assuming that we're facing an environmental

crisis of planetary proportion

which is not something i buy by the way

assuming we are

well then i would

imagine that you would put in place measures that would

ameliorate that problem

instead of exacerbating

but all the measures you're putting in place

are actually making

the environmental problem worse

so

how is that

even vaguely acceptable

and i look at that and i think

oh i see it's just like george orwell said about middle class socialists fifty years ago

it's not that you love the planet

it's that you hate humanity

yeah

well

have about her boys and girls

and we'll see what happens this winter and it's very terrifying to me

and i especially here

you know because

your energy prices have gone way out of control and that's going to hurt

a lot of poor people

and and certainly around the world as well

the world

bank already estimated that we put three hundred fifty million people into what they call a

food insecurity

three hundred fifty million

that's three times as many as the communist men

kill

maybe we can manage that in a winter

ah

but the planet has too many people on it anyway so

that's just

right he's like

forty percent

i

iy

all right now the petard

i we're actually ending this streing

there's one

y enemies

are not all paarity

so before i on the stream

when i give you a list of all the enemies that i have there are not p tards k

so

one person i can immediately think of who is not a pizzar who a