Marxism-Leninism in the Age of Multi-Polarity

i gotta find myself gonna find him now i gotta be a man i gota find him now i gotta be a man i gotta be the man i gota find myself gona find en i gotta be a man i gota find him now i gota be a man

i gota be the man when i come to ton for the laxt time put up in the first for the first time i come to say good by it didn't see me i got a million on my soul god bd up me on my own they put a bounty on my soul wll should

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i for the last time or i've been a factor for the first time going to say goodbye you didn't see me i got a million

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what's up everybody how you guys doing today

right off the bat

we're almost at five hundred sobs guys can you fuck and believe how far we've come five hundred sobs and they're seething the haters are seething i can feel their energy they're seething

you have no idea how powerful it makes us feel

that their hate is coming at a such a rapid pace and we're growing so fast

you have no idea what that feels like

a wait you do

because you're with us you're one of us you're experiencing it yourselves

all these haters coming at us and look at our eyes

almost at five hundred sobs

i can't fulk and believe it we're going to hit five hundred this stream i'm telling you

going to hit it this stream

ok but

you know

the here's the unfortunate thing though we're going to have to begin this stream on a note of negativity

because

we have a hatin a got some hatin as bitches

some pussies

a one specifically filthy insurrectionist whose comment in our

previous video

we're going to expose is bitch az let's let's review this fuck and commenter and see what's going on with this hater you know i'm saying i know i got to dislikes theyre all listen listen listen

you've no idea the story i'm going to tell you from twitter on shit they're congregating and they're going to try to stop us but they're not going to be able to and i'm here to witness their failure and baskin their failure feel so good

feel so good how they're going to fail but they are banding together guys and they are trying to come after us because i expose the anglo shit all these but heard anglos are trying to take us down i'm not even lying to you they are trying to come take us down they're really really upset about this and i'm going to show you to what extent they're upset right here

so

look at our recent video

i loved the last stream six hour stream was sick as fuck right

right sick is folktream

but look at this

pus se right here we got

we got this beach

if you guys can read this

communism doesn't work brain let starve

you know someone else sent me a d m that pretending to pretending to be a leftist

from left the pole and they also call me a brain that i think this is the same guy i think i bullied this bitch az kid into not having left wing politics

that's how much they fucking despairing they're exposing their true self now

is that focking pathetic

but he goes

communism doesn't work brain let's start ok i don't go fuck and i said debate us live because listen how'm going to tell you this

i'm going to tell you this if youre going to take the time out of your day to actually interact with us negatively then you better fucking debate us you don't even have to interact with us you're right you don't have to interact with us then keep on moving you cuck bitch don't fucking interact with us negatively and then expect me not to challenge you to debate me and put your fucking money where your mouth is beuse clearly you do care clearly we are bothering you clearly we do make you mad and i'm here

for i feel like king kong or aight here i'm here for all you fuconaders i'm ready to take you down i'm ready to take you down you even stand a chance little pitch

but let's go on let's continue

debate us live why don't you debate us live right

debate is live

nobody cares about you de breate bros nobody cares about us debate bros and why why the fuck are you here i don't know who the fuck you are filthy bitch i don't know who the fuck you are you filthy bitch dumb ass and look this is probably a leftist we're dealing with right here this is a leftist who i pushed over the edge so much now they're becoming a far right allright type of person this is how fuck and much i'm triggering these anglo little bitches

this how much i'm triggering them

he said nobody cares about us the bate brose he said the bate brok so this is a leftist i want you guys to keep in mind this is a leftist this is an anglo leftist this isn't a right winger he didn't start out as a right winger it's an anglo leftist

ok watch this

nobody cares about you debate bros

you do care bits because you're in my fuck and comment section i didn't hunt you down you came to us and now you fell in the trap now you're getting exposed how does it feel because it feels really good to me

feels good to me exposing or humiliating r bit ch ass i love doing this i love it

i'm here for it

this is our content

or giving content to our viewers that's why people are heres to see shit like this

then stay there and continue to witness our tremendous growth and success

trying to copy voss but failing hard are we failing we're going to g five hundred subs today

i don't think that's failing

i don't think that's failing

i don't think we're failing

i we're growing every day i can't even keep up how much messages and shit i'm getting

i can't even keep up with our growth

were not failing dued

i know you'd love to think that we're failing

but the sad truth is that we're not

we're growing at such a tremendous rate

i can't even keep up with it

it's an objective fact we're growing

we're growing

and you and i'm here for it i feel so powerful i guys don't you understand when you're a hater your being my personal bitch

and you're my punching bag and all my anger and life it seeing stupidity every day i'm taking it out on you and i'm it's therapeutic and i feels good doing it you're my punching bag you litterle you literally like my little bitch

you liook me like a little bitch

you my little bitch

because you're a hater and yet we're growing

that alone makes you a bitch you're a hater you took the time to interact with us

and yet we're growing and i gave you the chance to come on live and expose me and expose how stupid and whatever you want to say i am but then you talk coll and said no one cares about you debabros but you just wrote a sentence interacting on my fucking stream you cuck pussy

come at me bitch i don't give a fulk who you are where you from come at me bitch i'm not scared of nothing

i know they're seething they're seething so hard they're actually seething they're actually really mad right now i'm not going to lie to you guys i exposed anglos and they're actually mad i think they they're staying up at and just mad shaking and anger because of how much i pointed out and i finally pinned down a pattern i named the anglo and they feel so exposed like raccoons in the fucking headlight

lights the shining flashlight

isn't that sad

it's fucking incredible

it's fucking incredible

and how m i trying to copy voh what about me reminds you of vo pussy just because waso debates people you fucking idiot you think was invented debating and wasosh invented challenging his viewers and wash invented that know he fuck and didn't

i'm not coughpying voss you fuckin moron

we are staying in afghe then stay there how am i the one seething i don't know who the fuck you are you came to me bitch i don't know who the fuck you are you came to me you found me you're seething i'm not i feel powerful i feel strong i feel like king kong a gorilla uncaged that's how i feel i love it i'm ready to run ten miles you should see i was in the gym earlier today how much it was felt so fuck and good letting all that

out i feel great

i feel powerful right now i'm not going to lie to you guys i feel like fucking goku i feel like fucking vegita i feel like i'm super siion i feel good i feel manic

you know what i'm saying i'm not seething

i'm not i feel really good

no joke i'm not i the lae you guys i do feel really good this streaming shit does that your head makes you manic and it feels good to do try yourselves i'm not going to discourage you

then stay there that's what i said and he goes

yes this is a leftist by the way anglo leftist i exposed who they truly are the true ugliness and bitterness in their heart their hatred of humanity i exposed that you're witnessing it here this is literally a left com this guy's a left com by the way left come by the way you know he says yes the minutes our population has definitely grown half man have goat was always the destined future of the future brown

wn skins this is what the anglo left is these arrogant fake marxist that i'm telling you about this is truly what's in their heart and this is really what they think about us brownskins this is actually what they think

they think we're they're colonial subjects and they're so mad that i'm exposing them and i'm fighting back and i'm rising up against them

and i'm exposed i'm not scared of them no more because just like dogan said you are not boss

listen filthy bitch you are not boss

you are not boss

we brownskins as you calling it

we're rising up in this world you're declining

you're not our boss any more bitch

we're winning

infrared is winning

infrared is winning

look we're all brownskins

he's calling us brownskids

i love it we exposed them finely this is a left come this is a guy who's calling himself a communist and a leftist

and this is how we exposed them just because we pointed out the anglo pattern

and he it made him so angry and he's seeing me i'm a hairy arab guy he's seeing me it makes him so angry to see an arab man

rise up against the anglo

he's so much seething so much hatred and bitterness and and hatred

but guys i don't even hate the anglo people i don't hate english people as long as they're focusing inward

and dealing with their own problems i don't have a problem with him but he wants to conquer the world and he sees us all as brown skins

that that are his slaves that's how he sees us

that's how he sees us

that's how he sees us

it's incredible and i said loud you do care about his debate rose

otherwise why the fuck are you here

and he didn't even respond let's see w wait for him to respond

what's wrong with you are you scared to come on he is scared he's a pussy

he's a pussy

he's calling all of us huts outside of england outside of the british isles

we're all

brownskins we're all slaves of the anglo that's what he thinks

were all his slaves

but he sees

my defiance against the anglo

that i sleep well at night knowing china's on the rise we're all on the rise

and were free from this curse

and i sleep well at night knowing that

and he's so mad about it he's so angry about it

your empire is

down into the froking ground

down into the froken ground

it's over man

it's over this is like the role credits part it's over

it's over

ok we got that taken care of

okay guys

so

so

where five hundred now

where five hundred subs

five fuck it i youn f believe it

five hundred fokonsabs man

five i don't even know we're going to get this far five hundred subs i didn't even know we were going to get this far

five undred subs guiys

we have five hundred falcon subs

imagine that infrared started out as nothing

we started out as nothing

but just because we believed in it each and every one of us we believed in it

we believed in this idea

and look how it's far it's getting us

five hundred soubs we believes in it we put in the work we knew people would catch on even if they didn't fully understand us at first even though they're going to call us skizos even though they're going to try to put us down even though they're going to try to stop us they can't we're at five hundred fuking stubs and we're unstoppable and we're only going to rise from here

it's only going to get bigger from here

infrared is literally in unstoppable

we cannot be stopped

we cannot be stopped

five hundred subs how are they going to stop us guys ban us it's the only thing they can do

that's the only thing they can do

that's the only thing they can do at five hundred now

we're five hundred

five hundred sbs

from nothing a skit so nobody and nobody who nobody's ever heard of nobody heard of us

we'd never been in public before

we had nothing and we're at five hundred now because of you guys cause you believe in us you see what we see

but all these people seething all these haters

they want to pretend there's nothing going on there is something going on there is something on the rise infrared is going to change the game

where five hundred composedly found you at two hundred subs

that's the real o g in the chat found us at two hundred subs cause these people see us even when we're small we're nothing and they can see what we're seeing

it's not just us

it's not just us

it's not just us let me ask the chadter question though

should i go check that lefty pull thread

should i go check that threat on uh lefty pole and see what's been going on

you guys want to go scool through that thread

or what

play turn my swag on

fine i'll fuck and play i'll give fuck

five hundred sobs

incredible

incredible

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five hundred sobs

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don't use too much time on it

there are some effort posts ok what'll check it out

see see see see five hundred sobs five hundred falcon sobs seevaders see were growing with power like bjina superscion were grown with power five hundred sobs seed seething coal

see the co you can't stop us were unstoppable nothing can stop us it's only going up from here what are you going to do haters what are you going to do heters not the ne will beitches you can stop us you can do nothing so percent too much time on the ship hooss a new link bitch as haters trying to stop

can you imagine as a new threat ok let's chacke it out let's checke it out

check it out

that pussy filthy bitch

let's check this out

check this out

okay we're going to skim through this

we're going to skim through this

okay i love this so much yeah we made a tweet

because this pussy to kill all gods he added us to a list

this guy in twitt i think these are all the same people by the way i think there's only one to three maybe one to five people haters so this this might have been the guy filthy insurrectionist

this guy right here

this guy right here this pussy i said how does it feel being a pussy

because you want to know why

he added us to a list sing closet nosbls so id to confronted this big directly

and this pussy back they didn't do anything he's scared he's scared they're all scared they're all scared of haz listen all these people who talk shidwn to haz they fear haz they tremble at the name of haz it scares them it frightens them and angers them how powerless they feel at the name of haz

powerless they feel

let's not spend too much time on this

congratulate

thank you blaz will appreciate a man

i want to do a tweet later

celebrating this ship we're going to have a celebration stream not this stream we're going to go to this ship first

youyeah do

all my haters look like this so we're going to save this image

and i'm to open it every time

every time i get a hater

to comment on this thread i'm going to remind you what they look like and remind you what their spiritual avatar is

cause this is what they falckin are bunch of pussies bunch of bitches

this is what they fucking look like

okay

and this is what they'll look like if they come on debate cause they're trembling

ok let's check this out

these guys infrared been interacting

daily basis

and the mere fact deserves our respect appreciate it bro

yeah i'm going to give lefty poole a chance because you know why there's so many haters on lefty pool it's because so many people like us

cause so many people like us

and that's what i realized i'm not going to dismiss left people here's this bitch communism doesn't work and you will never be a woman

so

i'm not a fucking woman you idiot

what are you talking about you dumb couck

you fucking idiot

i'm not a fucking woman when did i say i was trying to be a woman you fucking idiot

i'm king kong

communism doesn't work

ok so get the fuck out of here what do you want

want to come debate that point

you have anything to say or what you just want to say i don't care that string of words doesn't trigger me doesn't impress me you got anything more to say filthy bitch i just expose you on stream made you look a little pussy in front of everybody

you got anything else to say communism is work ok anything else to say

anything else to say we don't care what you think that's like saying infrared doesn't work but we're at five hundred sobs so what are you saying bitch infrared worked

infrared worked and we're communism how about that bitch

why does he care so much about the haters because we're proven ourselves

we're proven ourselves that's why

that's why

you will never be a woman

when did i say i was a woman what a stupid thing to say

what a stupid thing to say

domaz

yeah you should have said you'll never be a man maybe

you know that would at least kind of make sense

but even then who's the man you're too much of a pussy to even come on stream

beach

he won't even come on stream he's talking all this shit he's watching us and seving us he's spending his time in his life watching us and he's going to act like he doesn't care you are mad you are angry at infrared we do bother you you are seething

you are seething you are bothered

you are bothered you are angry at our growth we have five hundred subs filthy filthy we have five hundred subs you know how many subs we have filthy

guys tell him how many subs we have in the chat tell him how many subs we have in the chat

let him know how much subs we have in the cheqke

he doesn't know yet

he's licking critical information tomas subs we have in the chat tell

tell him how much

tell how much

tell mama subs ok let's read this

they contribute to our p p h being higher i think so i think so

we rock in a boat

we're working together it's a partnership

and there's a lot of people on this website that like us

lot of people on this website like us

there's a poll right here

see

most people like us on this website most people like us that's why we have so many haters on this website because all these beitches are mad about how many people like us

all these people

are mad

they're so mad

about how many how many people like us on this website and they're trying to go against the tide and stop us but they can't stop us because infrared cannot be stopped

we cannot be stopped

the the last third starter was a bunch of slander and joying attempts which has conclusively

blew them the fuck out

they don't eve to have a chance

twenty people

uma okay some mach s ma

latest dream

yeah he b t f o the idiots big time

big time big time ok t's continue

ily do this fast

nobody cares about your obese w how am i obese am i even was obese i would not be ashamed of it cause what's wrong with bein big ha ca's nothin wrong with bein big bigness is power i like bigness bigness is power but i'm not obese i'm actually not obese but even if i was obese who cares that's bigness that's you know what i'm saying

bigness you know i'm saying but that bigness

as me personally though you know i'm saying but how my obese not fucking obese

what are you talking about

talking about your fucking ass im not obese look at me

obesity to you

you're pussy dude you're pussy i can bench probably more than you

i can probably bench weagh more than you i can curl more than you i'm not obese don't me make a shit up bitch

ca'm i going to focus on this

really embarrassing how this sight sits on wash fanboys for worshipping that beardl soyboy yet because wash is a he sucks because h fucin sucks by the content of what wash is putting out there and what wash is fucon saying

he fuckin sucks

he falck and sucks so what's your point waso does suck

he does suck

you know what i'm saying

uh

and then turns round and fan boys all over the stupid manlitz

cock

you know what you're falkin wrong

you're fuckin wrong because guess what

de none of these people here were my fan boys i had to fight

to gain everyone's respect i earn this respect you pussy vosh didn't earn anyone's respect i earned these people's respect they didn't give it to me at first

you fuckin idiot you come and do what i'm doing then and by the way luk a just like i get one on a two hour rnt lash stream about this fact if you have a problem with the iseselebs that are out there you better come and challenge them because infrared could be like you and we could just complain about wassh or we could put our own fuckin bodies and lves and faces out there and we could fuck and try to fight wash on his own turf and on his own terms and that's what we're doing you're a pussy

behind a fucking keyboard on a website we infrared we're gorilla king kong real shit you know i'm saying we're real men doing this shit youre little pussy little boy behind the fucking keyboard seething and complaining we're actually getting shit done we're doing stuff we're putting ourselves out there who the fuck are you

what came before the seas of the cop

i don't fuck in on

hypocrisy is amazing how is that hypocritical we are simply different from vosh

because of our positions people can see we're different from wash so what's your point just because we're willing to engage wash is not like me wash is not like me i'm on another level th oh you understand i'm on another level than wash we're i'm not like wash

i'm angrier than wasvh i'm more red blooded than wash i'm

i'm i'm more savage than voss i'm on a different level don't compare me to vos voss is a nice guy compared to me

ok compared to me wash is a nice guy don't compare me to wash

this is my main beef with infraret ok this is guy's main beef with infrared they claim to be anti anglo

oka we're anti anglo supremacy how about that i'm against anglo supremacy if they want to stay on their island and focus inward on their own spiritual things i'm fine with that and i even like the anglo english romantic poets from the nineteenth century and i don't hate all anglos i think nick land's interesting c c r u is interesting i don't hate anglos there's a lot of anglos that i like on twitter

especially on twitter i like them but i have a problem with this anglo supremacy which is a totally different thing

so i don't have a problem with the english people i have a problem with english supremacy which is why these people are fucking seething and they're getting so fucking mad but i just say ang

anglo cause i know that mature english people when they see me say anglo they know what i'm talking about they know i'm not attacking english people just because they have english blood because i'm attacking a world system of anglo supremacy that has been in place for a few hundred years and now china's on the rise and is replacing that and a lot of english people too can see that and they're not butter bitter or butthurd about that either and by the way i'm not

a pandering to nobody i would not be scared to be an anti anglo racist i wouldn't i would just tell you that i am one i'm just not i'm being honest with you i'm just not

i don't fuck and hate anglos like how you're saying

but i am anti anglo i am anti pircism i am anti new left

whatever that means

i think the new left is kind of cringe and i want to go surpass them i don't want to go but before them i want to surpass them so that's basically what's going on

when they make use of anglo statements and debate tactics like what bits already addressed in the previous thread when you accuse me of using anglo debate tactics why because i systematically oviscerate people and i humiliate people this guy thinks

that calling people showing explaining how people are fucking dumb asses is an anglo tactic you fucking idiot you don't think medieval islamic philosophers were doing what i'm doing they were there's nothing ango about pointing out how people are fucking stupid such as yourself there's nothing specifically anglo about that you fucking idiot angler would be if i'm beginning off of axiomatic premises then i would be a fucking anglo if i was doing it that way where i was saying like benchapio

facts do't care about your feelings but i don't agree with that i am a feelings type of guy i do speak from my heart i don't speak from some system some inhuman system

that's blind to humanity i speak from my heart and my humanity

so that's why i call myself the king kong

or why chat called me king kong i didn't even invent that mean

they mented that me not even me

the stuttering crack head you talk as fast as me bitch without stuttering you dumb cuck

lowkow liooken listen pussy listen you anglo pussy you little bitch you little fucking bitch you're a leftist and i expose you for being an altright

bitter little bitch

how does that make you feel

attacking white anglo supremacy ok

goat banger

we will stay in afghanistan no you won't beach you will not stay in afghanistan forever

you will not stay in afghanistan forever you will be wiped off the face of the fucking earth you keep talking this way the world is getting sick of your shit you're a tiny little island you better stop embarrassing your fellow fellow englishman by talking this way you couck idiot bitch we're more than you we outnumber you by a lot

you're not going to stay in afghanistan forever the taliban just beat the shit out of your bitchs you would try to withdraw as fast as you can

and then russi is going to move in you little bitch

and you will never be a woman so what i never said i wanted to be a woman you cuck bitch idiot filthy bitch every one remind filthy how much subs we have cacuse he just forgot

he just forgot how much subs we have five hundred subs

five hundred subs and he just forgot he just forgot how much subs we just got today

this little seething coping bitch

little seething coping bitch come on my fucking stream and talk that shit to me talk that shit to me with your voice with your trembling little bitch voice you pussy i'm on beasts mode and you think i'm angry maybe i'm angry but it feels good i'm not going to lie you guys i feel good it's better than doing cocaine doing this shit i love it i love it i love doing this i love exposing the little bitch as

ucking pussy'es

new left intellectuals they're not new left and i explained last reem why they're not new left you dumb couck these are not new left thinkers they were all defined by their criticism toward these new left type of people lacne said all you guys want is just a new master de lues meanwhile was routinely accused of being a fascist delues routinely was critiquing his new le guys ijeq speaks for itself you're talking about new thinkers you fucking idiot they are basic i

statements listen empiricism and making empirical statements are completely different things if you don't understand that you are so funking stupid you are beyond redemption

filthy bitch says hilarious shit

getting made fun of the stutter is absolute trigger no it's not im just talking fast if i was talking slow and methodically i wouldn't be stuttering i' was talking really fast i'm talking really fast i want to get over this shit and move on to something else thiss i'm talking fast so you try to talk bess me with stuting little bitch because s no goly first you know saying if youal really first you can eventually start you saing go toly first you get it

oh my god i'm out of breath

you fucking bitch pussy filthy bitch he's talking onll this shoitdn't chat he's such a pussy every one thinks you're pussy filthy

every one thinks you're pu your mom thinks you're a pussy every one thinks you're a pussy because you're talking shit you're scolping and seething and you're mad in

ar chat infrarege chat

ar chat

and you're my little bitch personally you're my personal little bitch

keep typing keep typing

i want to see him type more i want to see him type more

cause it makes me feel good that i have this little personal bitch that can be my punching bag

makes me feel good

you little pussy

they are basically hypocrites this community's fascination with them is completely pathetic

cope and seve more because it's not going to end

it's going to keep going and you're going to be complaining behind your keyboard

moreover while you try to portray this lefty pole in for relationship a symbiotics actly parasitical how is a paracitical from what i understand the post counts post rate is getting higher and yes we are growing but it's not just because the lefty poole that we're growing

it's not just because of we're left to pll that we're gwing but we are growing yes

it's parasuitical how is a parasuitical i think this is good i think this is good im we're raising an army infraret is raising an army yes to eventually bring down vosh i'm going to explain to you our master grand plan strategy later in the stream but we're raising an army right now and we don't you guys aren't even our army you are forty thieves you know you're not even our fucking fan base right now you just fifty forty whatever sixty people you're forty thieves right now you

forty thieves that's it

okay it's not even the three hundred spartans yet it's just the forty thieves we're all in this boat together

so

what are you complaining about you little bitch

these astls over at infra are using this platform to boost their views

and shill for the c pu s a

oh my god i spent three hours or something last stream explaining the c p s they think and this guy thinks i'm shilling for the c p sa a i never told nobody to dojoin the c p sa b i already said that the c p s is politics are shitty see already explained it is about the brand we can go over the debate again even though i just blow you the fuck out last stream we could do it all over again as many times as you want because you're clearly massochistic and you like being utterly

fucking destroyed benshapiro style right pussy

the anglo meiam over and over no it's the anglo pattern

these are literal angle angles we're talking about like filthy in my chat who's watching us right now this pussy he's actually an anglo

so a lot of you guys actually are really anglos like you're actually mad and you are anglos

and that's hilarious to me

that's hilarious to me

that's fucking hilarious to me

okay

if browsing aside is sort of criteria then voss is be ok i don't care about this dumb debate

ok this is what i want to hear marx specifically said that communism is about abolishing the current state of things marx

never never never ever said that marx never said anything about abolishing the present state of things he said in german offhibung which means sublatee it has nothing to do with abolish for marx the real movement you only pull up the marx co or what cause so many people bring this up and they abuse it so maybe i should go bring it up and explain to you that the paragraph before explains what he means for marx

communism is the real movement

the real movement is itself not an ideal the real movement let me ok i'm going to fuck and pull it up i'm triggered i'm a going pull it up

i'm going to pull up the marks courl

they need to have it pulled up

okay

marx the real movement marxs dot org this pussy needs some education

the real movement

okay here we go

here we go

see this

this is what we're talking about

communism is not for us a state of affairs which is to be established an idea to which reality will have to adjust itself we call communism the real movement which abolishes in the english translation

in the german one this is offhibunm it's not abolished this is a false translation the german word for abolish is absrung it's not alfebunm offfebung is sublatee

so this guy's a fucking idiot

the present state of things

the conditions of this movement result from premises now in existence you know how anglos interpret the sentence they say oh what marx meant is that the movement is what's ideal the movement is actually the ideal no the movement isn't ideal the conditions of the movement result from premises now in existence the real movement is already something happening in reality it's already falking happening you want to know why because he explained in this fucking para

graph you dumbess you explain in this paragraph that it's already falcking happening

so what's what does that mean today in today's world that means there's a real movement in actual reality a real material force that can be identified that is communism communism is not an ideal in your head some criteria oh this is a true communist movement oh this is a false communist movement no it's something that's happening in actual reality now you dumb stupid cock bitch don't ever talk and try to come at me like this from such a stupid amateur

perspective meanwhiles a saying that marxism isn't about that because it isn't dumb ass that's what your little anarcho punk rock bullshit edgin this is about dumb as just like that couck on my twitter kill all gods i want to kill all gods i want to abolish society you have daddy issues get that shit out of marxism marxm was made a tough minded tough mother fock o g type mother fokers marxs had no time for people who look like this

marks the no time for bitter as little punk rock bitches looking like this wo want to abolish everything you got to put your change your fucking wet diaper you little as bitch get that shit out of fucking mark s some anarcho punk rock bullshit it's got nothing to do with us

he actively promotes state capitalist enterprises like china

he's using phrases you state capitalm means nothing dumbss means nothing

from o china socim with chinese characteristics bits come on my fockus stream and we'll debate about it

come on my fucking stream we'll debate about it

thomas

but you won't cause you're pussy

for marx a communist state would be an oxymor you know what i'm triggered nowuck con trigger no fok con trigt no fock con trigger i'm a stand up i'm so so f trigg right now i'm so fk tri i'm saying this guy's fucking saying he's fucking saying a communist state would be an oxymoron you stopd fk don't you understand that the word communist state means states in the twentieth century that were

by communist parties to the capital c it has nothing to fucking do with some esotic idea of a future better society nobodys thpinking of it in those terms communist state means a state rule by a communist party but you're fucking anglo and you're putting everything in the anglo box and you can understand the meaning of words is defined by their use the use of the phrase communist state is relating to the fact that states are ruled by communist parties you understand there's nothing to do with this esotteric idea

of some future society five thousand fucking years from now no one said it was that if you're talking about communism as a society

and they're not referring it to it in that way the're referring to states ruled by communist parties that's the fucking meaning of a communist state but when you add marxis point which is that communism is the real movement is a real material force then yes there is a communist state because that state is involved in that material force and is the living manifestation of that material force and is in the process of its realization ok fucking dumb couck a bitch you me this much you did you succeeded it but this

is content and we're rising we're rising in views we're rising in intention and engagement and i'm ha feeling good about it too and i love it i fuck and love it come at me more beach you're going to come on my stream and i'm going to tell you the same thing except you're going to look like a little bitch so ride behind your keyboard from you little safe space ms little bitch fuck and w w e time

fuck and w w d time

fucking w w e time i leugh at anyone thinks infrared is based laughing at five hundred people versus you who'se who who do i care what you think what you're laughing at back it up with numbers nobody supports your position back it up with numbers in fors got five hundred subs we've got sixty people watching this right now we've got thirty nine likes who are you i don't care who you laughing at beitch i'm laughing at you

infrarede growing and you're laughing at what being in your little blanket eating chicken tendies and chalky milk you little pussy as beitch you come on focus stream you put yourself out here like this

they're everything wrong with the left why do every time something new happens every time a new development in reality happens you got these little bitches say no this isn't a true messiah guys i'm not comfortable with this at least sit back and watch what's going to happen maybe have some popcorn its it'll be interesting but you're trying to go out of your way to discourage us it's not going to work you pussy i'm ust making yourself my personal bitch bunch of

emma want to be larpers how we larped how we rk i'm a guy in front of a foking camera with a redy mike with a focking getty mike how my lrping is larping i feel like i'm in real time i' not marping whatsoever dom as fucking idiot

even fucking lenin were to the left of has yeah because your left right specter might wipe my fuck and ask for that you even know you're talking about you dumb cuck

read his stay revolution but hen co he said to such a thing as a comm no he didn't he said that a communist society would eventually entail the state withering and withering away and its dissolution

that's what marx and engele said he just repeated that

so no it's not it's not fucking impossible damaester is communist states

there's even communist corporations w'm to trigger you even more little bitch i'm going to keep pressing on the wound there's communist corporations there's communist banks

his communist armies

this communist police

fuckan idiot

here we go look at this guy's face we're at five hundred subs and de seething he's so mad

haws is a retard and a skit so and i have no idea you have no idea but it sounds like the joke is on you because you have no idea so you better figure it out bitch and try to compete with haws try to be better than haws try to be better than haws and i'll i'll give you props if you're better than haws until then you're little frog bitch

standing in jenne

whenever janney posted that shit is a fucking retard and a half and makes me unironically go back bitch although to be honest

this guy just admitted that if he if he tried to migrate to another website we'd go viral there too and they'd love us there too cacuse people love humanity becuse people see us and they love us cacause we're real cacuse i speak with my heart and i'm putting myself out there and i don't care about anyone's judgment because i know people out there real recognize as real you know what i'm saying

they would eat up his autism even more dude he's admitting there's nowhere to hide he's admitting there's nowhere to hide infrared is so unstoppable infrared's going to grow so much go so viral that we're unstoppable he's admitting he can't stop us he's admitting it guys

he's fucking admitting it he has nowhere to run no where to di you're a little bitch all you can do is complain and we'll me we have five hundred sobs and by the way guys who threw the first stone di i did i take these people first nope they decided to attack infrared first infrared will defend itself but now we're monsters right now we're aggressive now we're evil now we're abusive no we're defending ourselve we'll never be weak infrared is strong apes

strong together chat apes strong together

you understand

left pepole is salty that they're ins i know techno s got to techknoc sy is an anglo guys but he's based and he's smart he's actually smart in his head so when i say anglo i don't mean it in that way

technoko shes you know he's actually an anglo but he's smart you know

and he's base too he's really articulate and he's respectful even though he dijs rews some of our stuff he's respectful even though itacked him at first

becuse we don't know who's attacking us from all sides see technograpy's an example of a o g type of human being type person it doesn't matter what background you come from but we're just against that english supremacy that arrogance

you know that's manifesting itself in so many different ways

let's continue i've already waste so much my life even hearing about

is skitzo retird

then stop wasting your life you're being my little bitch by saying this

you're giving me attention you're strengthening heart listen i'm going to tell you something we have sixty six views right now it's the moorst views i've ever had ever

most us you ever had on for a stream you want aways fueling this fire these type of people you're fueling the fire you're making us more powerful it's fuel it's raw meat for the audience they love seeing this they love seeing this anger and this energy i know they do because i love it too because it is entertaining i go back and watch it myself and i'm entertained you understand so this is content this is beautiful beautiful content you're giving me for free and you're the one propping me up you're the one

fueling the fire and helping has helping infrared it's you who's doing it

you fucking cock

idiot bitch

you're the one who's fucking helping us

things baiting retards last timers then be let it be the last time as golss many he defeated

hostarts love shitting up listen i feel like these are the same people what do you s think i literally feel like this is like one to three haters pretending like they're representing a crowd just posting and pretending to be a different fucking person

i honestly think that's what's going on i honestly suspect that's what's going on cause honestly they reply to every time i see this they're replying too fast

right

and it's like what's the time between this maybe i'm wrong here nos one minute

it was literally one minute this is the same falking guy pretending he's a different guy what a pathetic loser what a pathetic falking loser trying to give off the impression of a crowd and it's one butered bitch probably that mother falker from my twitter little pussy from my twitter everyone go to this twitter

if you have a twitter

go look at this twitter this guy

i'm going to give him attention this guy this is probably that same guy because i gave him a long talking to in his d ms and i fuking shattered his soul in the d ms i shattered his soul i don't even know what to say maybe this guy's going to be i not only responsible but i shattered his soul he's crying he's crying basically right now and i triggered him so much that i feel like this guy might be filthy that filthy guy this guy might be these

people on lefty pool

this guy guys why we are here what a pussy

they should make their own sight no we're not no one's going to make their own sight the majority of left people likes us you're the minority menschevik

you're the minority you make your own sight you pussy you little bitter beech

you're the minority most people like us

i got almost seventy viewers right now most people like us forty six likes

five hundred subs five hundred subs guys five remind these people we got five hundred subs

god remind them we' got five hundred subs

oh yes sorry ginji i'm going to definitely mod you definitely moding ginji

definitely minding ganjit my bed i forgot about that

definitely moding gjit

o g type of person

o gj typ a person

you make your own sde bitch the majority is with us that's what i realize us in the minority little

fucking

siving

but heard as beech

this the primary stage of socialism is not real just some bullshit the dnmg yeah everything in actual reality is not real only the shit in this guy's fucking head is real the whole experience of chinese socialism and soviet all that is not real nothing's real except the dumb shit in this guy's head that's what we want you guys to fuck and think what a dumb pussy idiot

in order to shel market liberalism yet you're just like voss you're just throwing terms and fucking ideological whatever instead of a fucking concrete analysis this means fucking nothing you dumb pussy

you fuck what's so essential about what's so liberal about china's markets hah there's nothing fucking liberal about china's markets dumb ass

you not know what liberalism is

you fuckin don't know how you're using words you dumb ass

you're not even using words in a way that's coherent

by your own standards you anglo idiot dumb as bitch go look in the dictionary according to you and look at your anglo box for the word liberalism tell me china's market is liberal

fok and dommez

whenever you point out china is just capitalism there is no such thing as just capitalism there's no such thing as just capitalism that's the whole fucking point

everyone who's trying to say just capitalism is just trying to disguise the fact that we are so far from anything like just nineteenth century capitalism that it's so fucking pathetic to even think

to even fucking think

even think it's just this is a cope guys wt know it's a cope this phrase just capitalism

emmas paying time

pay time

paint time

cope of the day

cope of the day reading

cope of the day

cope of the day

this is it

i was going to put this in large words you know i'm saying

really quickly guys

this is the cope of the day

just capitalism

ain't no such thing as just capital mll dumb a's bitiness a cope

it is a fucking cope

no such thing as just cat this is something that makes you feel a little warm and cozy like you don't have to form a new concrete analysis or completely change your whole views about the world you sad oh it's just the same old capitalism it's just like what engle said about these dumb cocks wll we say oh there's nothing new under the sun yeah there is there is some new shit under the sun

there is and you're always humiliated by history at every fucking turn

history passes you by life passes you by you're going to die one day bitch it's twenty twenty one time's going to pass you by you're going to die one day keep calling everything the same old thing you're going to go to your graves the same old dumb ass person never accomplishing a fucking thing

you will not be remembered after you fulk and die becuse you're nobody because you have that mentality whis up composerly whiss up bro

i've been reading orientalism by edward sai he talks about the anglo mindset when they analyze

yeah dude it's but it's almost explicit now be caause we got these leftcoms

coming and calling us brownskins cause i pushed them over the edge that much

because the' they're mad about an arab guy who's exposing them

and having the courage to fight back

so he has to call us expose his inner racism and calle brownskids and i'm loving it

i'm loving this openness

i wish everyone was just that fucking open about who they truly were

hausses a den goy there's no fucking such thing you dumb cock

no such thing

you're a dangoid ok let's finish this one they claim china qualifies as a rudimentary form of socialism

okay one of the why china socialist

it's almost as simple as this i'm going to make another ams pink

in't explain why china sources right

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premise

this is c c p

i'm going to explain to why china's

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it's going to be a little

little

analytical

fuck around type of thing right

power premise

ok ready

china power premise

am extremely

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i know i'm going to shot you

when it's done

i'm doing it right now go to ta two seconds ready

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control even greater than in socialist state planning

ok let me show you this ready but sow this right now

simplified reason why china socialist ready

this is why

this is why

is why china socialist it's as simple as this

guys this middle box right here always exists whether it's a state owned central planning like the soviet union or like it's china there's always things you cannot plan for there's always decentralized things you're going to have to take for granted all china did is come to terms and make peace with that fact that's why china's the most powerful and most advanced socialist country

to this fucking day

okay this is why

it has the c c p this is the control apparatus on top then there's a bunch of crazy decentralized shit that they let happen but at the same time they control the outcome

input

bunch of shit in the in the between and they pinpoint precision can control the outcome this is the root of china's socialism and i can expand upon this more if you want to keep challenging me in shit which i expect they will but this is a simple rundown for you guys right now

screenshot and shit you know

this is why

my content craters dude why is this fucking idiot trying to shun away from the real world don't you realize streaming is the future don't you realize this is the future you can keep being a fuckin scrooge that fuckin guy from the christmas movie who's just an ashole all the time oliver scrooge you can continue to be like that or you can put yourself out there and gt in the fuckin game i'm sick of this anglo what s that fucking guy i'm samonix shit on anglos a little bit more what's that fucking guy's name again

adam curtis in this wll content creators and easbs

are taking over and instead of being on this website n know were pm put i'm in a game i believe in reality i'm open to reality i'm not crucifying reality like you and foreclosing reality and shutting myself off from the light of day in the sun outside in reality this is where it's fucking happening you're not above it you do look like this because we're the ones out here and we're making you cope mad and see if walk let me ask you a question

what have you done to stop us what have you done about this thing you're admitting you hate if you have hatred in your heart

what if you don't stop for example

i have bitterness and anger towards these posts on leftypool and i'm exposing you i'm exposing you

and i'm winning

i'm winning i'm demolishing you right

so i'm i'm getting off on how i get off

right so are you doing that

are you doing that

are you doing that

are you are you are you fulfilling what you want

are you fulfilling are you overcoming the thing that you keep complaining about are you overcoming your obstacle climbing your mountain youre not

your little bitch and you're a puss you're always going to just bitch and whine about the world that's why you're fucking loser in life w'll never get anywhere

beach

oll we got it we got a d m from some guy on twitter hold on

who is this

why are we here

cool i can't wait i thought you were going to bully le i am going to bully you more later you pussing o now pussy come on stream and i'll bully you more i'm foking i'll hear you beitch guys look at this guy

i was waiting all night for your beautiful gourilla monkey brain messages and then woke up to nothing why would i message you all night you came to me pussy why the fuck would i message you all night bitch by the way i don't browse leftyopolel you vochit caveman brain yes you do you came from leftyool that's how you found me

you just call me like seventeen different people no i didn't

it's probably you there you do browse people beitch

how the else did you fuck and find me i'm the whole lefty pole all right no you listen that that pole proved you guys are in the minority there's only seven of you at most but i even think as fake accounts i stayed rent rent free in your bitch as head all night and day no you didn't i forgot about you until i started screaming no you little pussy little bitch

everyone can can everyone d m this guy to say pussy

you're pussy simple as that

you clearly aren't mad

you won't come on stream yet you continue to interact with us

isn't that funny pussy exactly youre little bitch you're my personal punching bag you're my little bitch you're my little bitch you're my little personal bitch that's all you fukinar

why are we here

you're here for this reason

cause you're my beitch

you're my personal bitch that's what you're here on this earth to be hawes's little bitch you keep interacting with infrared by the way by the way

send him send him d m m five hundred subs

five hundred subs you don't have to use i'm going to do it five hundred subs that's it five hundred subs that's it he lost

he lost what a pussy

he lost

he's done he lost

he lost

it's overed i won five hundred five hundred subs infrared one

five hundred subs

five hundred subs can you believe it

fuck off though these guys a in front exactly what comy you tube needs do based based fucking comment

bast fuck and comment right here

based fkon caarmen

bast falckin comment what a fuckin ol g

no everyone heres a standard m o ok everyone seems to be a left comm

or not everyone the minority of the

the loud and overactive minority of pussies

the whole okay yes this is very true corrupt to ango

what i mean what's anglo ideology i've explained it

already explained it

you're not going to git your questions

n know they have been answered you just were't here and you don't want to fuk and watch us that's fine but i did explain it before i got to finish the start i'm not going to dwell on now we did fulking explain it

stop raging and talk about the subject what subject

what subject specifically supreme arc

are collect

what subject

i got a new d m

what subject

that you're just trying to send me links and i going to finish this thread this thread first

what subject you wt me to talk about

what is anglo idio i told you it is defined by the civilizational period of anglo saxon supremacy that is ending now with the rise of china

i've explained what that means in terms of metaphysics

what it term means in terms of thought and philosophy

i've explained it

i've explained it think of the anglo box that's my simplification it's the anglo box ok

and i think i'm pretty sure everyone understands it already

has if you read this i want to cover this common mind tell me if i'm missing something we thiss guys going to cover it

what's angledeology anglogies basically phrase mogy that's an example actually that's a big one that's a big one the inability to think dialectically because that is an outlier every single civilization every single civilization on earth

hazd notion of the dialectic only england begins the foreclosure of the dialectic

loveall hauss clos the twitter as soon as he finishes the dm s

never too long on twitter it's brain rot

yeah

what does multi polarity mean oh the subject of this stream we're going to get to it we're going to get to it

i got to finish this shit first

positivism empiricism utilitarianism were actual

okay that's a i guess that's good complete disavowal of the abstract what yeah that's kind of it it's kind of this

yes this pertenins to directly accessing it is the main thing

right here

this is directly the point

extremely seventy i knowed you were growing all the fuck and time

we're going on the fuck and time

while in fact exactly

culture yeah this arrogant bullshit were brown skins connected with lazy as bitriy yeah exactly

exactly

anglovers continental philosophy exactly there's a lot of ways to explain it

i don't i don't okay hat guy i don't think it's reducible to this

but some of these are good points that are examples of it

but

in terms of how it simplify what is anglo eediology

it's proved by the examples of it

given by anglo saxon thinking i know it's a tautology here's what i mean

for example when you people who call thing anglo itiology is defined

by trying to premise being

by a predefined form of some kind that's how i put it you are trying to premise being itself by some predefined form

temporally so that's also means sense anglers always say oh it's nonsense that's nonsense because they try to premise what is possible and by in terms of what's

the senses what what can be sensed

right by a predefined and existing form

oh that's nonsense that's nonsense

for example

americans do this too but they're prag's with pragmatism so it's with the different kinds of work different kinds of a

work in terms of a input in an outcome there possibly it gets into cybernetics and i explain right now

multipularity oka we're not going to get a gooin

what's angdology it pull shit

do i look like wy sound like an it pool guy was going to do talking sounding walk and shit no i don't

this is some new shit i don't care if i'd be cancelled

by the way it pulls anglo

yeah exactly exactly this guy's explaining it's fucking angle already

meagin or stion

yeah this this this hat guy's based this hat guy's based

her yeah exactly what a fucking idiot they're milking their low cow but i have five hundred subs and seventy viewers who are you i don't care from a low cow

and care for my lot cow i'm growin in for red

were growing in fared as the lll cow

so i don't actually give a fuck

ok i don't give a fug i i'm a low up

yes queen fuck those nasty westerners when did i say that bitch when did i say that i don't give a fuck them yea you're right fuck

fuck western chaven is bitches yeah you're right i'm go to fuck those western chavens you're right

what is western tchauvinism is the tchauvinism of negativity that's why western chauvinists are american cocksuckers if you're a true european patriot you're not a western chauvinist

if you're true european patriot

you're not a western chauvonist but if you like neon

julis fok in typo

i dontant to keep buwlling me up

i'm going to give me on a chance

because he's been our main villain for so long we need new villains

i'm repplying to ok this is replying to i saw this one before

has's love has's life

sorry to burst your baw but as sends ut the west is

exactly

now the program is idea to future state of

okay hi

what is this

this is a cool comment

sut

exactly dude

exactly

exactly you pointed out yourself ok you know what i want to engage neon in good faith

i'm going to have a good faith engagement with neon

so this is going to be a good faith engagement with theon ready

neon

what does he say this

sony ah

you ask me how it helps the worker's interests to be forree how does eurasianism or sorry whatever how does a moving a way from america help the worker's interests

but the problem neon is that you're thinking in terms of direct action american individualism your mind is actually very american how you're thinking because you think between the input and the output of oh i want to make the workers lives better and the output it's a direct individual at

that's your problem neon

me on the issue is that

the fact that our societies do not serve the working class

and do not are constructed around benefiting their lives and improving their livelihoods like china does china is built around that by the way but how our societies aren't

that's only the first proof

in the communistic or proletarian consciousness of the necessity to win power but it's always about winning power it's not actually about doing charity and improving people's lives in the abstract if you want in terms of your individual work

to improve as many lives as possible as many workers lives as possible you should volunteer for a soup kitchen if you're a communist

than improving the class struggle is not actually about making people's lives better

it's one of those things it's about but more fundamentally the class struggle is about participating in a division that exists in society that is actually objectively real it's about participating in a war a struggle whose ultimate outcome is about seizing power now which

block of powers provide the greatest opportunity

for communists to seize power in a country like germany

well in so far as germany is tied to the united states then germany is tied to the united states deep state and all of its infrastructure and its top down apparatuses of power so

is long as u s exists u s sgeminy exists it's very difficult for anti establishment forces of any kind

whether admittedly it's the a f d or its di linky or it's communists to be able to seize power in germany

okay america makes it hard for heterdox non liberal and nonsensris

any type of political force to seize power

it's about political power is what we're talking about that's where i'm coming from neon i'm trying to engage you in good faith here no more insults against you

i want to squash the beef with you because i want to test and see if you're going to approach me in good faith i'm trying to approach you in good faith oka cause you've been here for so long non i'm going to give you this chance you've been hilarious you've been the villain of the infrared show and i' we've all had fun and i don't want to have bitterness any more and animosity towards you any more so this is how i want to explain it to you

ok so that's it

it's not going to improve your personal life no eurasianism

is not going to improve

your life personally nothing will the only person who can prove your life personally is you so if someone's telling you to go be a communist because within your lifetime it's going to make your life better it probably won't

life didn't get better for those red army soldiers who just went and died they died they never saw any communism they never even saw any material whatever improvement to their own livelihood at all but they still gave their lives to it why because it's not about being personally

benefiting

or even seeing that people around you

personally benefiting

in within your lifetime it's about a more fundamental struggle at the heart of being itself it's a war at the heart of being and society itself its it's an impassioned struggle

that involves all this kind of stuff of justice truth beauty and all that kind of stuff you're german so i would expect you to understand this type of thing

you know it's an existential type of war

it's a spiritual war too

it's a spiritual war in a sense there's no dichotomy between spiritual material

there is none

in this sense

maxim gorky talked about the necessity of cultivating the spirit the soviet

a writer maxim gorky he talked about it all the time

why don't you think about my analysis of imperials imperalism

through my posts i made previously on the tank ot of the china means

yeah i read it before i read it in the previous sie it was really based it was really cool i liked it

i like to

i let's continue

norda okay this is that

anglo statements debate to exact what does theyven mean new left when youus stuff exactly

basically if use any new intellectal beond marxs and ltin you are new leftist a k hippie

cancel this is ironic

youo gin jeet is based i saw this oh that was in this it was here

i think

no it's not here

ginji made a really base we may will show it

after this

we'll show it

we'll show it

i want to de beate between hars and cockshot i'd be respectful to that guy

i'm be respectful

speed running the anglo box that test is an anglo box

that test is some dumb shit i wasn't taking it seriously at all

what's your take on accelerationism

i'm bro i'm almost from that current you know but i disagree with i'm di i disagree with

land's rejection of dialectics but in a sense yes i'm an accelerationist

do you think technology is now the unique driver history no in that sense i'm not an accelerationist but i am an accelerations is in the sense

that i like the acceleration is aesthetic in the ethical and moral sense

i like this idea that it is simply happening and you either submit

or you can bitch and complain about it is busy and angles his view of freedom and necessity

so i think accelerationi ism is necessary

rijas actually becoming a kmi will make your life much much harder

very true gentle ginjit very true

i'm going to pin your comment so neon can see it

because some people need to understand this

which means one generation plant trees whose children will enjoy the shade that's why china's better socialism exactly the problem is individualism the problem is individualsm no you're not going to reap the benefits of your own life

ok let me continue thiss rummols halfway through

these guys a infred have been interacting with our threads

attention but may respect ok fine yout to respect me but

that's why we're getting attention

wash his scrine beay his angle

has is based because he is eastern

no that it's not orientalism no it's not it's not orientalism but guess what

a lot of people on infrared are not eastern

ok and yet

there's anglos on infrared believe it or not

not i don't think anyone from england directly whos like speaks an english accent

but

infrared has people who are anglo descent

we do

a houss is

beas because he's easter

t nobody made this argument

has made this argument

dude

my thinking is aformed by eastern philosophy

because did you reall ok let me show you a map of the world

i wanted to show you a map of the world

okay

map of the world

i want to tell you something

what's meant by eastern philosophy

ok

did you know that the east

did you know that the east so this is

europe western europe is right here

this is western europe right here right

do you know how small this is in the falking world

do you know how fucking small that is

when you're seeing eastern philosophy you're talking about all of this

all of this

so yes it's more and i am more influenced by eastern philosophy because all the east means is all of this

so is it is that wich switch what's orientalist about that

the west is the one

that defined itself against the rest of the world the whole identity of the west was defined

by being against

who the moslems first then who the mongols and the asians and the russians

the whole identity of the west is negative it just based on defining itself against the rest of the fuck and world

how the funk isn't my philosophy going to be more eastern oriented if i'm a human being

whose interested

in humanity as a whole and being as a whole of course it's going to be more eastern the east en compasses the great majority of all humanity

and according

to the this paradigm

even africa is the east

even in a sense t america is the east everything outside of western europe is the east

everything outside of western europe

let's talk about has including australia in the east well what about the aborigines they're actually the ones native to australia these anglos just sailed a boat and landed on there doesn't mean they that that fucking territory belongs to them

forever it does a permit all history and all traditionor it doesn't indigenous australians have a dream they have the dream time

indigenous australians they have the concept of dream time i'm interested in dream time

i learned from all these people

and i am fair to the west

i've already named all these western people i'm influenced by heydeger lakon but all these western the the yes the yes enlightenment the enlightenment began in the west

modern philosophy began in the west hegel kant all these people

even human and all those people yes they all came from the west i'm giving them the credit where credits due but they're still in the minority compared to the rest of the world so i'm being more than fair ok if anything the west is being very over represented

in my in my thinking

too over represented i should be named dropping more eastern philosophers i'm influenced by

you're acting like i'm being unfair you're just a bitter sorry cock

you're a sore loser your problem with me is not that you think i have hatred of western people but that i'm not letting the chauvinism and supremacy slide any more no more white supremacy no more anglo supremacy no more western supremacy

that's what i'm saying

okay

that's what your but heard this was aultermately what this is all about and no i'm not scared to say i'm racist if i was racist i wouldn't be scared to say yeah i'm just racist against anglos i wouldn't give a fuck but i couldn't in good faith say that because the's a lot of anglos that i like

how do you think the machines will fit in the communists

if they achieve self awareness i don't think they ever will achieve self awareness

i don't i just think that's silly

is nickland eastern

no he's not he's an anglo and he's very smart and articulate

but there's a reason why he's he had to move and he was excommunicated because

he was too woke

and that's why he became himself a kind of racist guy but he's still a brilliant guy

m

he also makes clear he reads western thinkers yeah exactly exactly dude it sounds like you're just mad

something you just mad

' not a question of what thinkers he reads the ar goument is a mode of thinking that's true

that's also true

you might as on a mode of thinking that being

let me explain it

anglo vers eastern hasing

yet

that's biscuit its biscu it in the continental

and analytical divide which is by the way just a heidegger

and i

autism divide of robots and computers and si no offense to anybody

that's all the divide is about

guess what

the continental hid deiger is on the side of the east

is it there is an objective distinction between east and west

that's not orientalism there's an objective and material distinction between east and west

and you can it's the ontology of materialism

west is heaven west is heaven

head

east is what

body

matter right

you think i'm crazy

ggnosticism your ggnosticism is ggnosticism is what prevailed in the west because the west defined itself by defining itself and abstracting itself not only from the rest of humanity in the world but from being itself

from being itself the foreclosure of being

this is what defines the history of the west

nothing i'm saying

nothing i'm saying is controversial by the way nothing i'm saying is controversial the west defined itself

on pure air

pure sin air matter

sorry not matter

pure spirit as marx put it in his critique of hegel read marx and you'll understand and it stems from christianity too

read marxis jewish question all everything i'm saying will make sense

and how is that wrong and it's funny that i explained this before

as this guy's pointing out but they're acting like i'm such a fucking idiot right

angle being based on lyter well you know what he's talking about basically axiomatic thinking

that's what angle is about

axiomatic systemic think yes

that is something that defines

logisticism logicism i can't fok and say logicism

whatever the fuck that how you say that

this is anglo

logicism

not logic but logicism the idea that logic itself premises reason

um

for example what

andy philosophy sucked off the greeks so hard

what' your point

the greeks at one point became eastern because of the distinction with the with the roman empire

the western roman empire

the byzantines were the first manifestation of this idea of the east

the byzantines

the byzantines were eastern

we are you talking about dude

the greeks are in a sense eastern now compared to the rest of europe

to the east west division

changes

according to context but the primordial west is anglo

the primordial west is england

the primorial east

is eurasia i sorry central asia is the primorial east i would argue that's the primordial east

the heartland

this whole point is to reflect ho absurd is to are going regional categories why is it absurd

why is it absurd it's not a regional category acause the regions change the reasons change across history sos a more fundamental ontological argument is what i'm making i'm not making some kind of box

as how you're trying to put it

also the east is what made the western world one hundred per cent true composerly

but they want to deny that too

that's okay

five or five sobs jesus

almost like cos himself is falling victim to the autism box

but how how how because i'm making reality intelligible you know what you know what intelligibility means it means you're recognizing differences in reality that's not an autism box you fucking idiot and autism boxes when you're trying to premise those differences on the basis of predefined forms that's why it's a box you fucking more on if i were to say this is the definition of the anglo and this is the definition of the easterner

and i was dogmatically applying it and premising it on that basis you would be right but i don't have that preexisting definition so i don't have an anglo box so you're making you shit up and you're talking out your fuck and ass you don't know what you're talking about the whole argument reeks a projection andms pain time

we' got the projection andy's anyone who uses the word projection

ok let me se me i must paint time every hater

has

has ever encountered so far has used the phrase

projection

why

we're going to start from here why

miss paing time

why

every hater every bitch has used the word projection why

because

because because they are bird brained cocks who don't know how to argue so

appeal to the least

to the easiest type of argument knowo you

it's fucking harry potter a little bitch right here

harry potter as low bitch

see this save this guys

see this

what you guys think about this

because i feel like this is what's going on

if this is exactly what's going on

this exactly what's fucking going on

harry potter type mother focker used the word project oh you're projecting what are you folking talking about is s a fuck and dumb ass

what a fucking idiot uses this use this fucking more projection shut the fuck up

i've never used that once i can't imagine using that stupid fucking word projection

buckan idiot

okay let's go back

hating as bitch

if haz is so against anglo he needs to start by killing the anglo in his own head i'm influenced by some anglos you f i'm not fuckin anglo is where it all began that's where industrial modernity began the first victims were the anglos speak nothing of the irish and the scottish but they were the first victims so what are you talking about this is a common let me let me explain this this is a common shared curse of humanity i'm not denying it

but as the rest of humanity is freeing itself from the anglo curse you anglos need to stop trying to bring it back and enforcing it upon them you should free yourself from your own curse that's what i encourage you to do free yourself from the anglo curse i know we all have an anglo curse i did have an anglo curse i fought and overcame my anglo curse o kay

so you can do the same thing

but don't try to bring me down or try but don't expect me to give you mercy if you're going to try i'm going to be ruthless and brutal to you if you try once i'm going to turn the light on

turn the light on

ok meanwhile in reality

exactly care to criticize

meanwhile reality that's how harz describes it

yeah yeah the guy with the head is spoken smart

i almost

okay i'm pretty sure hous is kind of retarded and spooped in a way but you can't prove it that's the thing you can keep calling retarded and skitzo but you can't prove it and by the way i thought i was a merchelis nowm the third worldest

oh no i'm an angl i'm being put into an oppressive box exactly dude you raded the box all i'm saying is that we're not going to be in your box any more has is not going to be in your anglo box i'm not going to let you continue to put reality in your anglo box i'm going to shove you back in your fucking box you go back in your anglo boxes i'm trying to force it on all of us it's your box you made it you go back in it i'm not going in that fucking box i'm not letting you put everything in that fucking

box i refuse to see the whole of being is being put in your fucking box you know i do see putting put in your fucking box you you go in your fucking anglo box you go on your fucking ango box

how about them apples

you go on your fucking anglo box am i creating the anglo box for shoving you in the thing that you created no i'm not creating it you created it first

you are new here whise young and anglo

because it's content

the problem with this is is not he is wrong

that these faults are bad the probably seeing faults in everything by reading them in an effort to find anglos well last time when you brought up i don't know who brought up dillon evans he was literally a fucking anglo you were trying to shit on la con and i beastmwed you the fuck out of you

and you can now you're complaining because i'm picking on anglos

i'm not going out of my way to try i'm noticing patterns is all i'm fucking doing i'm noticing patterns is all i'm fucking doing there's a reason why specifically english people hate lakon am i wrong for that chat am i wrong for that intuition i'm pretty sure english people have this no nonsense type of fucking approach to the entirety of ideger and continental philosophy most of the fucking do it is a real pattern it is a

real thing if you don't know what i'm talking about youusill suck my dick and leave me alone

and commenting on committing some of themselves committing none of them

and i just explained why he has the anglo idiology within him and his insistence on putting people in the anglo box but you created the box i didn't create it you're the one who's making the box i'm just putting you back in it by identifying the anglo so no i'm not putting people i'm not creating the box it's about who's creating the box and even then i'm not you put putting you in a fucking anglo box because i don't have a predefined criterion of what anglo idio

iology is that i'm preemptively shure warning and you just making me assumption that i am even though i don't

the more he tries to repress his own anglo tendencies do i look anglo to you chap

what about me looks anglo my anglo tendencies how do i need to repress that you fucking ed you look how hairy i am

you think i'm ing like you think i have to repress anything this all comes naturally

i'm a fuckin arab

it comes naturally to me my friend i don't got to repress a god damned thing this is my nature it's who i am

the problem with this is not wrong fallts are bad exactly

this guy's given it to r

this guy's given it to her

given it to him

b in fred ok this is sage for context sage was bothering me in chat yesterday to read his edge lord thread about how the whole world should be put into a gulag and i said that's stupid and edgy and then he said you're lib so let's see what sage has to say because sage is upset now looks like we got sage to be upset

strikes are not direct action because word salad

they're not direct action sage

they're not direct action sage because they're not premised by individual direct action strikes only happen

that are effective today on institutional levels when they're coordinated on institutional level just like what's fuckin going on

in fuck in india right now

okay

so i don't know what you're fucking talking about

don't know what the shining path are i did know what the shining path are someone in chat yesterday asked me about some peruvian general and i didn't know what was going on there but i know who the shining path are you asked me what what my position on them was and i said what the fuck do you mean by that i told you even the guy who's in jail i don't even know if he's still alive gonzalo even he would tell you

that you probably shouldn't repeat what they did back then that's whaty i told you don't repeat what the fuck and shining pad did

it's all i fuck and said sage stop being so fucking buttered and joining the chorus supports the c p u s a o k sage now you're just making shit up

now you're just making shit up i challenge you to find one

clip of evidence in the last stream of the last video that proves i support the c p u s a that was never said whatsoever you just making shit up pulling shit out of your ass

ok

somehow calls other libs

in spite of this oh wait china is based and has no obligation to international socialism because business no i explained it to you yesterday it's because china needs to survive in this fucking world and can't declare war everyone you trotskyite fucking idiot you have a trot mentality you have a western chauvinist american mentality where you believe and there's a universal that must be imposed top down on everyone and you have to go to war with everyone with permanent

ilution suck my dick and fuck off

i'm a monxist leninist but gulags are bad

even stalin would say they're bad they are bad they suck it sucks that there had to have been gulaugs in the thirties no i said they shouldn't be celebrated everyone knows they fucking suck they are bad i didn't say they weren't necessary they were necessary but the doesn't fucking mean they weren't bad they were fucking bad dude do you know how gulaugs were like they sucked they were really bad no one would fucking admit they weren't bad they were the soviet officials wanted them

to be good but they couldn't they didn't have the resources they didn't have the type of people the character of people to fuck and run those things they had to get the common you know

they had to pull people off the street to be the fucking guards and shit of those gulags and you know

it was wrrible the gula it was a travesty it was a big tragedy stalin himself would probably agree to that

but was it necessary yes

and we will have state socialism without locking people up when did i say that or for their views well i i don't know i don't know if it's necessary to have to lock people up for their views in the information age i did say that back then it was necessary in this day and age with the information warfare and the info worryor stuff i don't i think it's a mark of weakness to have to lock people up for their views but maybe i'm wrong and i don't know what i'm talking about but i really just think

in this day and age

you can have supremacy ideological supremacy and hegemon hegemony and

forceful just like in just like i'm doing now right

all the people who hate on my stream

i'm not banning anyone

just like that guy filthy insurrectionist that pussy

did i have to lock him in the gulag no i dominated him

its etiological domination of the enemy

and that's what i believe in you can do in the information age

i don't think you have to lock them up you can just dominate them idiologically

you don't have to lock them up

you can just make them feel bad because everyone's against them the whole chorus is against them

it's an in foro war

in fuur war is what we're talking about

somehow calls others libs in spite of this in spite of shit you made up sage stop talking on your ass why also calling people bitch cacuse they are bitches cause they're precisely bitches because they're anonymous people on the internet who decided to take the time out of the day to come and attack infrared even though infrared had nothing to do with them all i'm doing is defending us and yes

if i'm dealing with an enemy why won't this enemy show their face because they're beaches

but also calling edge the's nothing edgy about calling people a bitch

we also referring to himself as king kong well that's what chat started to refer to me as and i kind of fucking like it i'm catching on to it i like that idea i like king kong i like be we're all king kong here we all have the gorilla type of energy in the fot we're not edgy we're not edgy we like gorilla you know what i'm saying it's like a gorilla pounding on the chest there's nothing edgy about it

but i fought with the king kong thing

less than he was tested and less than he was found wanting

your test was retarded

you made a fucking thread about how every one

should be in the gula the mission created

you made a mem about how the whole world should be a goulag

and i said that's dumb and edgy and stupid

and now you but heard about it

dude

go the fuck up

he said hojo was a smart guy and these last t me he's sort of ok

ok six out of five is fine i'm fine with that

isn't this true

isn't this true

they are so mad

or is he trying to mock me

i'm not mad dude i'm just isolating you

i'm just pointing you out

i'm just pointing you out shining the light on you instead of this you're not speaking for everybody you're just speaking for a specific anglo tendency subdivision and minority of humanity you're not speaking for all of humanity

so i don't know why you're laughing dude stay laughing i but but stay laughing on your island ok

stand your island in life

these are not so called faults yeat he is identifying these traits people have their in their idiology and saying they are faulty idiology

not everything is anglo clearly

has doesn't consider himself or his group angle it depends on what you mean

i don't consider it a racial thing

if that's what you mean

but there is a definite anglo approach

and it's about a specific

civilizational period of history

sa

so not literally everything is anglo yet he calls everything he sees anglo

you want to ok more emas pain time

the domess of the day number seventy five

seventy five seven four

dumbest of the day seventy five seven four

ives

four

dumb mass of the day

he thinks everything

he

dumb mass of the day

dumb mass of the day here we go

is this sado masochism they enjoy this

enjoy this

here we go

here we go

he said i call everything anglo

so he's assuming that's incmpasses everything is his position is everything his way shoitldy way of dogmatically butchering and slandering luk on that's everything

that's everything right

what a fucking idiot

you can see it now

what a fucking mo're on

as mad as they are let's not ironically simp for the fucking british empire they're becoming i'm making right wingers they're all becoming right wingers i'm exposing their true selves

i'm exposing the true selves

exposing their true cells should he hop onto the c p sa

le i don't care dude i don't you think i'm trying to win the leadership of the c p s a

i'd like their brand i want to if if infrared made an ad for the c pu s a and here goes virro guess who people are going to look to

to lead the c pusa you're going to look to us

they're going to look to us

not the people who want to cancel is there

where we are i'm trying to give life to the bran

not the organization or the people who lead it

ok

but where does this word come from

the word anglo it comes from the itself evident it comes from the fact

that anglos have a specific dogmatic metaphysical curse

that they're trying to continually impose upon the rest of humanity every beautiful development that happened in continental europe the anglos came and said it's all nonsense and it's all bullshit and it nothing is meaningful nothing is meaningful unless it can be put in the anglo box that's what we're getting at here from art

from aesthetics

to theory

to philosophy

to literature

everything is nonsense for the anglo that cannot be put into the anglo box the ninety nine per cent of humanity that's not in the british isles is all meaningless and all bullshit and only the anglos are real humans that sounds like they're crazy

you're in the fuckensych ward not me

the rest of humanity is not in the psych word you are

the more the shit goes on the more and i others agree

all these people are mad that we're getting this thread and we're getting attention guy stay mad

because i think most of left people likes us and there's nothing you could do about it

most of left pple likes us you're in the minority now

you can't stop in for red

this guy's defending me what a base guy d

he just speaking common sense

kill yourself anglo exactly anglo comes from reality do

exactly

mm

they combined the philosophical divide between the ants and the elicant no even before then even before then i think i think it began

when england

i began with the french revolution to meet with the french revolution that's when it began in my view the french revolution was the first

or maybe the american war of independence i don't know but the french revolutions more explicitly the first rebellion of mankind

against

anglo saxon modernity is my view is the french revolution the first rebellion against anglo saxon modernity

kmm

the

with the meim about the eternal anglo the british empire shitting things up

well i'm just don't i i'm beyond your dogma ok i don't actually want to target anglos i just

want you to realize that i'm not losing sleep over you and that you are anglo you stay in your box i'm not going in your box

i'm fine ok i'm fine it seems like you guys are the ones constantly attacking me

you're the ones constantly attacking me

ok i didn't attack you first i just started noticing the pattern

many many years ago

only anglos attack me

and everyone else i like

and are trying to make a serious critique out of it

it's not just that ok it's not just that this is just an example of it

this is just an example w't you fuck and read history you dipshit

which is pretty stupid considering the philosophical divide as autistic to begin with

no it's not autistic because it's not a philosophical divide

for mooxies like me

and for many of these people in the continental tradition philosophy actually came to an end with hegel

that's where there's a division

and

german idealism surpassed

primitive barbaric anglo saxon empiricism that already happened so that was the first manifestation of the divide what you're talking about with analytic philosophy and continental

none of them are really philosophy but continental thinking

heideger is not specifically in philosophy thinking and questioning

the being is not specifically in the realm of philosophy why because philosophy begins with the axiom a equals a

not the actionch good idea the whole crux of philosophy is about

how is a equal to a is that the law of identity it's the most primordial rule

and foundation of all philosophy

hagel is the last philosopher because he implodes it then marx escapes philosophy for me high degree in this continental tradition are also furthering that

escape from philosophy the analytic tradition meanwhile

is not returning to philosophy because philosophy also had ontological stakes embedded within it that culminated in hegel

analytic philosophy to me is a purely technical paradigm it actually isn't worthy of being called philosophy it's a technical paradigm whose practical significance and implications

concern the rise of computers

i

and uh cybernetics

so you're wrong it's not that the divide the does nothing autistic about the divide there's a big difference between what hydegers doing which is the whole of continental philosophy as it's relevant and what's going on in analytic philosophy

ok

it's not that they're incompatible or that there's nothing to be glean but that they're just different things

and by the way the whole conclusion of analytic philosophy

culminated in america is basically

arriving at the inside that that its own project was impossible it is impossible to create an eternal fixed

an airtight systemic axiomatic premise to the conclusion

um

system of thought of any kind and that's why they're all up this stuff but many worlds theory and how there's many different types of languages and many different types of possible worlds in general that's the conclusion of analytic philosophy basically postmodernism by their own standards it's pure kind of relativism

is the only real conclusion of

it because of just the internal contradictions of analytic philosophy

what you to read about understand more about what has is saying

just stay tuned this these threats tire me out at this point

and anglomim is an ironic parody of this is the sad thing is that the jews were blamed for the crimes of the anglos

the jews were blamed for the crimes of the anglos

being at some of infrad half third world origins probably don't realize that the anglomim is irony

well i do take it seriously to heart so i don't care for it i don't care if it originally began as an irony

i didn't i've never been on fortune i've never been on pull so i don't know anything about what you're talking about i arrived at this anglo stuff on my own

and i do take it seriously

it is haj was clearly artistic i thought ihim schitzo

spends time getting mad about the internet too so probably a bitch

t

i get mad cause i speak truth

you know what but i'm not mad mad is when you're like and you're seething and you just got like bundling it all up i'm like a gorilla roaring i'm roaring you know i'm saying i like doing this i like doing just like how i'm angry when i'm working out and i'm lifting weights

i may be angry but i it's power i love doing it

don't act like i'm a little angry seeving bitch like you i'm not

it's an ontological disruption

not direct action

yeah when i said because word salad so all words are word sad you basically just admitted you don't want any communication you're just going to be a closed minded dogmatic little bitch

whose fault is that not mine

everything i said there is some

think

something you said last night has

it's okay

who are you talking to you talking to me now

string of words

i didn't make this post idiot

why you guys acting like i post on lefteopoole i don't i ever post on his website in my life

who are you talking to

everything i said in there is something you said last night

has

what are you referring to what did i say

no it's not i just disproved ow it's not sage you bitch

sage you're pissing me off now you but heerd bit you came in my fucking chat begging me to look at your dumb as thread

and i just told you in polite terms i didn't like it because i was being polite but now that i don't want to be pote no more sage you're fucking idiot and your threat fucking sucked

it was shit threat

which is squat max in't squat

it's not that high i don't squat

it's only

it's ok you sez pusa lib larping is based and red pilled

that's what other people are calling us

because you said bitch and retard

what because i'm not politically correct i've never been politically correct

i'm a c p s a lib i've never had nothing to do with the c p s a except appreciate their logo and their brand dumbss

sad angles must have been right

you talk a bout of shit sage you're pissing me off sage

for a guy who has a name

pmissing me off stage

is it

hot in his brom last dread

that spurring at people online looks weak and hags degrees things that makes m look strong and based

it objectively is

making me look strong

because i'm

cause they're because people on left peole are browsing the threads and they're seeing your post and they're seeing oh maybe that guy has a point and liss he has

who could just so easily rips it apart and tears it apart with ease buttery ease buttery smooth ease

and it makes you look like a bitch and it does make me look strong it really does it you know i'm seeing how it's working out

i'm seeing how it's working out

based infra and bred destroyed

i already destroyed that retarded paragraph who's destroyed

that guy said

that guy said the analytic and continental full divide is autistic he doesn't know what he's talking about

he doesn't know what he's fucking talking about

there is no compatibility between analytical thinking

and hieger when you try to mess them together is the same thing they're simply incompatible

they're simply talking about different things

so there's a reason for the divide you can't bridge them i've seen people try to bridge them they always have to lean one or the other every one i've seen try to bridge the analytic continental divide has leaned toward the analytic instead of the continental because with the analytic you have to begin with a solid air tight

mechanical systemic type of technical thinking

which is incompatible with heydegerg's mythological and poetic

approach

um

penis

ok

name one single chad who does this who does what

dude you capitalize chad

like you're like some fuck you're the fuck and cocksucker dude you're you're looking for others as an example of how to be cool

that means you're a fucking retard

i mean you a fucking little bitch

name one single chan i have to look at what chand does

i fok chad i'm going to fok who that is

who the fuck is that tell me why har should give a fuck who that is eh

and i'm growing infrared

by doing this shit

i'm grown us

we've never had seventy viewers before we have seventy one now

i'm not agreeing with it law i'm reminding people how haz sees himself

when did i say i'm shared i'm not shars i'm has

i'm not shad

china qualifies as a rudimentary form of socialism because state owned enterprises

when did i say that

you fuk an idiot

o fair

direct action is autistic true

true

go

fan boys whose girl dick perks up when hairy arab men raise his voice

mean i can see the attraction you're just weird dude you're just weird

these people in the chad who like me there gorillas too we're all gorillas you

where all the gorilla gag

or all the king kong gang

that's how it works i'm hyping my people up

hyping infrared's people up infrared's audience being hyped up being empowered they're going to walk away

feeling empowered being hyped up and shit

that's how it works bitch

sage you're so buthurd cause i didn't like your dumb thread

starting to piss me off

started to piss me off

okay

strikes are direct action no they're not dum masster explained why

communism is eastern thought true

that

true

communism is sure yeah

so every little let shitty left to streamer gets their own simping thread now how long until we have sec look at this mad guy you make your own stream make your own shit this is the future this is what listen oh has three hundred k subs four hundred k i don't know how much he has two hundred fifty k

he has a lot of subs dude he's brought more people into this than you ever will

so you gota give him props for that us streamers out here you be your own streamer if you don't like us see latter composedly see latter bro

you know i'm saying you gota do your own shit then

you got to do your own shit

this is the future this is where it's this is what listen i'm going to explain to our master plan soon

we'll explain it soon

direct action is a spectacle brow live streaming that's material change

let me go on record saying this

live streaming is a million times better and more impactful than direct autism

one hundred per cent one hundred per cent it is i'm not i'm not ashamed of saying that one hundred per cent is you want to know how many people participate in direct action usually ten

usually ten they'll go and block traffic somewhere i'm talking to i'm addressing sixty people right now

not ten

that's a lot more

voh two hundred fifty k subscribers

you have two hundred fifty k direct action autists no you don't

so shut the fuck up and sit down life streaming is the future

and yes it does make a difference we're making a difference now we've already made a difference there's no going back

is long as it pumps our views i say ok fine that's fine

red pill them see if you can win them over see if you can come to baate us and see if you can do it

wei i'm not leaving i'm still here

oh but i'm a doge oh if you meant doge sorry my bad

yeah dud yea kaposlis a doze the same thing king kong a doge is like the same species

according to the base biology

uh

i know how hard you're trying to popularize the term

why am i supposed to be offended by this am i not a bro i feel like i am a bro

i f it was a lot of bros in the chat

and i debate too admit it admit it i admited i debate i admited im i like i want to debate people because you know what you are taking your time out of the day to bother me and to bother infrared and to bother the stream so you may as well put yourself out there unless you're pussy move along go ahead and move along there's no need to do this if you're going to if you're so have so much

with infrared but if you really want to take cars down cae on my zoom and make me look like a fucking idiot

isn't that the test

where are your balls you cocksucking pussy where are your balls get on the fucking zoom and come debate me come fucking debate me on the zoom you don't want to do that then move the fuck along move the fuck along

move the fuck along

sage

did people not have take direct action to cause i didn't mention disruption

but i know what you're talking about

nothing to do with strike ok

i can confirm

that i'm artistic

who's this

me sage i'm the first person touse the term debate brok kek i've been flattered

what's everyone dre do to sage that guy that guy who came out earlier filthy kunt

what's that guy's name filthy bitch

that guy who left those comments on our stream

let's se if you come to it again

no wen't get anything

seventy viewers

exactly seventy fucking viewers

i know hard you try

remember

mm skizos okay skizo skizo i wants a skizo i get it

anglles don't like this is a simple true sentence

strikes are not direct action they're not

sage you fucking moron

sage you fucking idiot

pretty cool he went to the whole third to click on my post and click on them

okay

there are two maybe three nazis but i don't care about this

there is plenty of retardation in continental velocity and psychoanalysis

ok there's a lot of stupid in the universities yes cause they all speak from the university discourse and they all speak only in this they all speak in this false sense of objectivity and they never take an active stance or position and they never go take risks they just try to explain others so that's true

that's what i mean by that i can't blame anglles for looking at shit like karl young

and guttari in thinking it's garbage so you're just a mad sectarian ashole

do

i can blame them

i can blame them

call young

isn't an idiot but i don't agree with his

i don't agree with his path

but it's not like krl young is just saying meaningless nothing nothing

okay

the most chilled psychoanalyst in the anglosphere

true and guitari and thing is garbage why pick on guitaris i don't like guitari that much either but

this is all you can name i can name more people in this which way anglle what's this

look at this si

look at this guys

this is fking bast

i saved it

look at this guys

look at this photo

this is fuckin awesome who made this

indeed was this you

who made this

this is a fucking awesome photo

this is fuckin awesome

c p s a tony oh my god dude i'm feeling it

i'm feelin it i like it dude i like it this guy knows what he's doin

i like this shit

yeah it's exactly that person sage was the guy riding my dick yesterday

never stop bothering me

yah it's him

two

this is a fucking awesome photo whoever made this do thank you so much i love this so much

i want to print this out and frame it

this is a sick fuck and photo dude

sick fuck and photo

wow dud look at this this is sick man this is sick all right i'm so i save that shit

this thread is going to be covered i know dude look at the fuck and wasteland of all these people b t f od

the reason that we pay attention to him or at least me is because i want to troll okay i me read in the right

the reason that we pay attention to m or at least me is because i want to troll and mock that midwit has

but who's the one using this

whack as term midwitth

you using the term midwit

you're using the term midwit

and it makes you sound like such a nerd and it makes you sound so lame and such a bitter little bitch nerd

that midwit has w a midwit

would di midw ok harry potter ok funcking harry potter prove our midwit

you so far no one's been able to prove this shouldn't it be simple if you can prove it

he is clearly a skitsaw

ah here we go the schitzo andies

every everything is a schitzo that's outside of the anglo box ok

he is clearly a schizo and a griftter trying to use leftism as a completely narcissistic attention hoarding for his

brand what's my brand infrared that's not my brand

it's our brain

he doesn't actually care about advancing socialism to him

it's just a brand

that he can use to get attention and money in this new social media world because he's participating in the new world

that means it's all cynicism and evil

and i wishes idiotic fan tods can just get off the internet and go away but we we're going to stay and you can't stop us we're going to stay on the internet and you can't stop us we're not going beach keep wishing wish and pray every single night you will not make a fucking difference we're not going anywhere we to on i swear we're not going anywhere infrared is not going anywhere we're not

going anywhere gore going to raise an army until we're on the very top and we finally beat the final boss h and we take this shit over we're not going nowhere you can wish and wish and wish you're right bloodborn is based is made by a japanese guy

okay

let me address this

eight

eight

simple egg right

eh right you like to give me in the letters and shit

eight

hey

hey

a ready

ready

if this is true if this is true and my goal

is not to advance the cause of infrared

and what it represents in its ideas and the specific specific cause and the specific vision

and i'm just trying to be a grifter trying to get money and attention in new social media world why do i take such hed doxs positions that stir the pot and trigger literally every single person including our own supporters why do i go out in public and onwalys say we live in socialism why do i say shit that no one wants to fucking here if you were right and i was just a fucking grifter i would just be repeating formulas that have worked like

bread to or like the mainstream m ls that you're seeing on fuck and you tube today that are attacking caleb if i if you were right all i would be doing is repeating shit you want to hear and you're comfortable with i would just be saying this shit you're comfortable with i'd be like paul more and i'd be like all these foking people you're familiar with if you were right and i'm was doing this for attention personal clout why the folk have i made it so hard for in for

read and for myself to get for this far on because i'm pretty sure if i was a little schill that i was a little pitch whos just repeating tried and tested

established fucking orthodoxies that everyone already fucking knows about i'm pretty sure we would have five hundred viewers right now not seventy three i'm pretty sure i would already be making money somehow on this shit and if i was just repeating communism is a stateless class of society if i was one of those fucking people we would be doing a lot better right now infrared is going through hell right now defending our new and unique position and vision

we're going through hell doing it

i'm enjoying it but it's a lot of work it's a lot of work so if you were right why the fuck have we gone about this approach i want you to respond to that but as for this issue with brands i want to give just lay it to you straight what the master plan with the strategy is

what does infrared what is infrared's goal

what are we thinking

what are we thinking right now

what's the business where do we come from why are we doing this now why are we doing this in twentusy and twenty one or twenty twenty

why do we decide to do this

what is our goal

what is our goal

let's see

let's see

what is our goal

well here's the issue

here's the issue something we realized

something we realized

i'm going to just write it

s's going to write it something

our collective came to realize

to realize is that politics is increasingly

increasingly downstream from

social media

from

from twitter

personalities

to streaming

even theory nerds are downstream from people like vosh

or jordan peterson

we understand we came to this realization

we came to realize this there is a profound dialectic happening

and we already had the theoretical

m

ability to make sense of it

okay

here's this

thing i'm going to give you right

i'm going to give you what infrared wants to do

what infrared

once to do

is in sum

make marxism leninism mainstream

make it make it something normal

none

fringe

and

something even normis can

understand and even identify with what we want

we want to absolutely reduce

the barrier to entry

necessary to

become a marxist lenist or at least appreciate this new chinese era

of world history

we believe

that the time is now

that in new politics jimmy dore example

is emerging

lively meames right

they're really long

let me do iy blocking this

kind of

okay

oh we're getting that i'm getting to that don't worry i'm getting to that

however

however

however our barrier to entry as of now is very high

all of our viewers all of our viewers

are having to be the

acquainted with

very fringe and

not well known

theories and thinkers but similar to socialist primitive

give accumulation

ok let me number these two

right

'en a number of these

one

to

fok looks like three

to

three

okay

now

submitth fm location

the barrier

to entry

to entry will be high at first and then gradually it will be

decreased

as

people are more familiar with us

we become more popular

this is how we raise an army to defeat bread to

this is the plan

guys understand this

' on the light of day we're not hiding nothing from you

see this

ok this is it

see this

this is what's going on

this is what's going on

we want to lower the barrier to entry to marxism leninism

just like china

had the reform an opening up and made the barrier to entry to

the foreign investment all that kind of stuff low more and more gradual as it grew more and more and more so it's that type of paradigm at first our barrier to entry is very high

our vveriant entry is very high

look at our chat for example our chat is more engaged

and more active than chats that i see with hundreds and hundreds of viewers okay there's a reason for that because our barrier to entry is very high

everyone in the chat

is active and has high investment

as we lower this barrier we're going to have more people and the degree of their investment is also going to increase corresponding to the amount of people we have you have to begin with something solid just like a socialistate planning economy then you gradually gradually open up

and we grow and this formula has worked so far ok we know what we're doing with infrared we're not going to hide it from you guys we don't consider you guys to be

stupid anonymous whatever people

we know you guys are all highly engaged

because there's a high barrier to entry right now to be able to follow infrared so

there's only there's forty thieves basally right now we have seventy people in this stream

but next stream i do't know how mans people going to be the we get a solid forty thieves e every stream for now

we're not even at the three hundred spartans yet

okay so this idea that we're taking advantage of a fan base and we're manipulating them in the are cultural personalities there's not that many of us at first though because our barrier to entry is very high okay so right now we are kind of an elite thing right

this is what infrared is coming from

okay

okay

to imagine not being exactly

my angle's bad

this whole th oka here we go with the orientalist andy this whole thread is full of orientalist eastern worshipping pathetic

and what is the east ninety nine percent of all humanity go on

east worshipping imagine imagine complaining about being an eastern worshipping orientalist when the majority of humanity is outside of anglos you fuck and dumb cock stupid bitch

who hate their own western culture actually this isn't true now many explain to you why this isn' fulking true

western sovnism

tries to bite more than it can chew it tries to conquer and dominate the entire fucking world but to whose benefit to the benefit of the oligarchs and the cabals and the deep states the populations meanwhile become neglected who's the biggest victims right now of the ronovirus english people they're all dying like flies because the english elites want to conquer the world instead of focusing on helping their own people the same thing is going on in america some of the mostg

elected people in the developed world is in america we have the most of neglected

infrastructure everything to do with the people's neglected in america why because our elites are concerned with dominating the entire falcking world so you're wrong if someone's a true patriot and has proud of their own western culture

they're already joining the hands with the rest of humanity and joining the east

because they're getting rid of this demonic

worship of abstraction and worship of trying to turn the whole world into a fucking grid that you fucking own and you fucking conquer like the anglos do if you focus on your own fucking country you are not being a western chauvianist any more that's why russia doesn't have a problem with all these even bad nationalists in western europe because russia wants people to be patriots in their own fucking country instead of trying to impose themselves on everyone else in the f

walking world in this multi polar age

somebody wants the debate go to the bottom of the thread

okay hold on

i got to i got to get through this first

this has ok blowd out your fucking as bitch

five hundred subs by the way

and we're not going anywhere you ca keep seething you keep cobing i truly despise him imagine admitting this

imagine admitting you despise me and how powerful that makes me feel

you dumb cock beitch you can't stop us

reminder that the engine

is an anglo invention okay then have your anglo invention buried deep in the past we're in the future now i know industrial modernity began in england it began also as a curse now we're taking your engine we're building more things off of it and we're leaving your curse behind your specific curse we'll have new problems along the way and that's fine that's fine

that's fine but i wish i wish you would just be proud of your little engine from three hundred years ago cause the rest of the world's ready to move on

ok rest the world's ready to move on

debate first haha's

you have a little time and willing to chat about sources and letspole i created a throway email

send me here ok this is the d d r guy so this is actually a nice chill bassed guy

so

i don't i'm going to wait

ok i'm going to wait this is a nice chill based guy so'ing to wait on to get through the haters first

who a fuck is this nerd

show your face bitch i'd promise you you look like this i'm inerd how am i inerd

how am i nerd i'm not a falking nerd you idiot

everyone keeps calling me a brainlet everyone keeps calling me a fucking moroon caveman everyone calls me a caveman how am i a nerd you choose one

some anti england anti anglo

global south nationalist what a fucking idiot how can you be a global south nationalist what global south nation exists just because i'm siding with the majority of humanity against the minority that wants to dominate and slave them and have them under their fucking boot

is that why because i'm siding with the majority of humanity against your fucking colonial little vestigial empire and your fucking deep state because i'm siding with the majority of humanity because i'm believe in the king kong beating heart of humanity and i'm siding with the majority of humanity against your fucking little island

buck you

its cringy dugan is grounded in landlcked eurasian culture this there is logic in this distinction and i put it i take it even farther as far as dugan is concerned i understand the dialectic of both how is there a unity of opposites i i whole fucking idea of lost enlightenment the lost

central asian enlightenment is based on these fulking ideas

how's dude debate fucked the left wheel thread dude just wait just wait it's not going to be this

it's not going to be a content debate it's going to be a chill debate

there's not going to be yelling and stuff so just wait i'm going to get through the haters first

exactly

anti anglo doesn't mean anti england this is very true

this is very true

anti england doesn' it mean anti

i know about the atlantic consul

i know about it

this doesn't mean anti england i don't have a problem with english people i have a problem with the anglo

east indiari trading company

legacy you know what i'm saying

stop being triggered by us i'm going to keep get through these haters you know

we're going to get to these haters first

the haters need to know their place guys the haters need to get their daily dose of whipping and know their place

beause infrared is growing

and we're going to defend ourselves in this critical and crucial stage

dugan is the mastermind behind urasianism which is euphemism for contemporary russian imperialism no it is not

no it is not because dugan also aligns himself with iran and he appreciates iran a lot

in iran and russia clearly have a lot of conflicting interests

so you're wrong and by the way this word imperialism is really outdated you don't want the fuck you're talking about

we live in a unipolar american imperialism on the decline

the world imperialism described by lenin culminated into the unipolar american imperialism and now we have multipolarity which is no longer the same thing as the old imperialism

re you're fuck an idiot he invented this ideology in order to

justify rth's he hegemonic ambitions what is its hegemonic ambitions to defend itself why did you fucking nato the first thing you fucking did was encircle russia after nineteen ninety one why did you do that ha they they have hegemonic ambitions the first thing you fucking did was expand nato even though you promised russia you weren't going to fucking do that from my perspective russia just looking rout for itself is trying to defend itself against you you're trying to encircle and conquer

russia you're trying to be the ygmonic fulking imperialist you dump deep shit pitch pisses me ofup and triggers me so much

reminder that you're part of infrared's critical and crucial stage

exactly

people who believe in the idea of rejecting the atlantiss order are just dumb who believe the us is

no they're not you you fucking fake centrist andy little

falkins fence sitting beitch

choose society fen sitting sitting bitch

no these aren't the same thing it's two sides of the same coin but you haven't proven ow there two sides of the same coin at all other than the fact that you don't like either position

you nmt cock idiot bitch

exactly big caec right here

jesus can'ttao start sitting on anarchism

anglo western culture choose one the essence of western culture the western nehlism described by heideger

is

in england

anglo saxon england yes

that is the epitome the apex of west niss

germany can be the east france can be the east even in a certain context

none of this is fixed

i'm not i'm not in a fuckin anglo box predefining this i got a d m

five hundred sonbs god be with you brother

i will be your new villain

you're my new cock you're my new cock slash punching

bag

not my new villain diage

it's german you falk and more on

i don't even know if this is true

is this true has how are you going to win over bread tubers and ballwahers when the brains will shut down into our season because this is the thing di lu la dou i don't want to win over bread tubers

and ball voshers first of all let's say fifty sixty per cent of that audience forty per cent of that audience are not there because they're a bunch of snowflake pussies like how you're saying because vosh is the guy who's putting himself out there debating a bunch of people and they would otherwise be interested in leftism anyway i know there's a lot of ex voshers who are based who just learn more and they become m ls so that's a huge chunk of his viewership the other thing is that i want to reduce the barrier to end

to becoming an m l to even lower than washes bariers entry i want to become easier to become an m l that to get into bread to which means i want a lot of conservatives to become ms i want a lot of those all right poll people to become ms i want to be so easy to become an m l that literally anyone can fuck and do it that's the ultimate goal of infrared that's the ultimate goal of what we're trying to accomplish we

want to lower the barrier to entry

and dalai ladux

i'm not trying to be hostile even though i have a tone in my voice

um because it's an it's a legitimate question

this is the thing too as well most people like this has they like this type of shit you knowause the l acause i speak like a human being i don't speak in his fake virtue signaling mechanical type of way and most people like that

from my experience most people like it

and even prefer it

to be honest they even prefer it and that's why people like people like jimmy dore and stuff you know

so

that's my answer to that

replace imperialist with another imperialist equals communism

what guys tell d d r to d m me on twitter

um

ya exactly lives dude not exactly says heideger's gateway from the west to the eastern thought

i know dude

this is what i said

this is what i said i did say this directly

of course is to gourt lenin

here we go the guy trying to quote lenin let's see the concentration of production and capital has developed such a stage it is the creative monopolies that play decisive role in economic life the merging of bank capital with industrial capital by the way all things the soviet state did in the beginning stages of its existence i want explain why the creation on the basis of this finance capital financial ago ok this didn't happen

obviously

the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities

acquires exceptional importance the soviet union also exported capital

formation of international monopolist

capitalist associations which share the world among themselves ok

and the territ does russia do this i don't think russia is doing this

the territorious vision of the whole world among the biggest

capitalist powers andpleted yeah he wrote that in on one thousanred seventeen the world looks different now the whole world looks different now read that book by jans vero fakis the global minotaur it's a good intro book it's not the most profound book it's a very entry level book read that books in explained to you how economically imperialism transformed into american unipolarity through breton woods through the dollar it's all changed is no how you're saying and lenin wasn't a moralist he

wasn't he wasn't critiquing imperialism from the past he was critiguing it from the socialist future so my argument would be that russia china all these countries are from the future of lenin's imperialism theyre not from the past

ok so it's superfluous to call them imperialist we're in a post imperialist stage ok imperialism is superfluous just like how lenin thought socialism would render imperialism superfluous

ok all these quick criteria are present putin's russia

high concentration of production and capital

which is true for any socialist country financial oligarchy but how did the oligarchy emerge the oligarchy emerged

through

swallowing up socialistic state enterprises it's a post socialistic situation is why you have the russian had the russian oligarchy whether you still have one i don't know

you definitely have billionaires in sin and russia that's true

export of capital

o k every everyone does this this is every modern country in the fucking world idiot

you see you can i don't know the protestant puritanism

here we go again with the protestant puritism where you think imperialism is a sin

it's not a sin d to what lenin was describing he was describing a stage of capitalism what he thought was the highest stage of capitalism and by the way lenin thought imperialism was the highest stage of capitalism clearly now we're in a post imperialist stage so we're beyond that highest stage what does that tell you but anyway

he wasn't creating a sinful you know talking about oh it's so sinful how they're exporting capital he was describing something that necessarily leads to socialism

and russia actively participates in territorial division of the whole world so if i if i pitched a flag in my backyard i'm also doing that

you vague idiot

where it can do it

ok it's so fucking stupid what you're saying it is also a member of a rival imperialist bloc headed by china oh cause china's imperialist too now of course they invaded georgia and now crimea to increase their sphere of political influence and tighten their grip on foreign resources you don't understand how polarities work dude you're thinking in terms of the nineteenth century you're thinking in terms of one hundred years ago you don't know how this world works today it's not

everything is demodic it's people oriented it's about people it's about it's why fucking crimea crimea were all russians who did want to go to russia and that was all for political reasons inside of russia to boost putin inside of russia among russians it's all demondic it's all political it's not based on some secret empirical substance

of capital and resources it's not it's not how the world works today

it simply doesn't

okay tiighten their grip on f what is james cameron avatar way of looking at the world crimea is mostly russian already but the tartars are a distinct people

has nothing but another one of putin's cock hosters

you're a fucking liberal cock idiot dude

first of all

what does this have to do with anything i know the talkars are distinct people there's a lot of different distinct peoples in the russian big space russia is not to never was a nation state so the fact of the matter is russia doesn't have the same views about humanity as youre blood anglo racists do russia that russia sees no and china see no contradiction between russia or chinese boog space correspon

loning to a bunch of ethnic national and cultural minorities they all mixed together intermingled together there's a painting i want to show you that shows a bunch of tartars and russians and turks and all sorts of people congregating in a marketplace all together asiatic societies were highly syncratic there was no hard distinctions or hard borders or hard stratifications like what happened after the nation state in western europe you're fucking moron

hazna yeah suck my diig diach

you everthink reality isn't so black and white

yeah

hey guys has here

ok so you know the definitions a string of words right and the definitions don't proremise reality but you know what is proremising reality the fillt of fish for mcdonald's yes fillto fish youle sources of

get so what are you ok spend in good faith i'll say expend what are you trying to say i don't quite understand

that's what i would tell you please expand and tell me what you're trying to say

i'll do it in good faith i but i think i suspect what you're trying to do

is you're trying to try to make the argument

that this nonsense

which you think is nonsense and your arguing is nonsense is the equivalent to what i'm saying

so your dipshit argument doesn't work it doesn't fucking work you are responsible for what you say though if you really want to ride or die with this let me entertain you in good faith let me entertain you with good faith and ask you what do you actually mean becuse if you press me about what you mean i'll tell you a million different things

and to try to help you understand

it doesn't seem like you're trying to communicate anything other than if we allow if we step outside of the anglo box in his dogmatic way of thinking we're stuck in a realm of madness and meaninglessness and nonsense well that's your prejudice i don't share it

get over it you but her dumb bitch

course they're aways looking out for their own interests

ok i'm not going to get involved in this

the

then i'm not entirely on board with hazs definition of socialism okay

i appreciate that you can see the point i'm trying to make it's all iver wanted new one to see

are you been in the bank

before you made this post kill yourself rodo you'll never be an oliarch re but i just blow the fuck out of your dumb fucking paragraph post

you dumb cock

hosn't even live

this is why i for as much a suits they are literally this is the same guy

they're literally the marxist version of bench ap buo why because i talk fast and i'm able to respond to arguments in a very rapid and fast paced way and i'm go to think quick and act quick and speak quick

that's why we like ben shapiro ok

their strategies to overcompensate their own masculinity do i do you think i need to overcom the see my mass ulinity bitch i've never had to overcome seem mass ulinity

you understand i'm doing this for the cause

i'm doing this for the cause

okay

over comes you your man let's see your face i want to see you one stream let's see your masculinity by the way

and talk super fast unill you confuse your opponent i'm talking fast as i actually want to be done with this threat that's why i'm talking fast

anyone who recognises this and understands why debating them is ultimately a waste of time

no if you debated me i would take it slow

and let if you were taking a sool i would just reach your pace if you're debating me live

i would go with your pace

i'm reading a fucking thread i do have to be fast i can't i have to skim

can't be stuck here forever

the refue purged without hesitation back in the day

' is a waste of time it

is too weak and therefore

and therefore incorrect

it would have been purged with a hesitation who's going to purge me you dumb but herd bea just talking out of your ass

fucking idiot

hey guys di you know the e u is socialist

well everything's socialist now who cares you're making it seem like i'm saying the e u is uniquely or exceptionally socialist you but hurt fucking bad faith

bitch i'm so sick of this it reminds me when nan said i'm a merchelist and nan said merchelism

what does this have to do with anything

it surminds you when niano was like oh has you think merkel is based anti imperialist same retard reasoning same retard reasoning we can go over it more and more as long as you guys want

french say late night says you sat of french

yeah

are you mad dude are you mad

dugan is russan poligger is known for his aultra fascist views

he's not a fascist that's the wikipedia dude

that's the wikipedia

nice job wikipedia andy dumbesz

that's because heidegerhm self has elements of eastern philosophy or just notion of a subject approaching it this guy smart'sw song about

there's no reson what

okay goldfoker

here's that guy that guy we turned from left wing guy to an all right guy we turned him from a left wing guy to a right wing guy

and he admitted he's a racist now i love it

i love it

yeah these are bunch of pussies aren't there

it is kind of like that youy know they are kind of like pussy's

the bunked are you the same

yeah exactly

go fuckers like you think you're so smug you'll reach thrugh comming a first whatever o nope it's not happening

you'll be crushed by the feds before you can even say holl the more we we'll see because it looks to me like china' is rising and you're crying

that's what it seems like to me keep calling thse golf fuckers though

kee call as go fokers were rising

i'm fine call me whatever you want dude call me whatever you want

i'm gonna keep speaking my pece doing what i'm doing

you can't stop me you can't stop the goatfalkers how about that

unt

pro see

except s p philosophy isn't considered a thing outside yes yes the thing that unites eastern philosophy isn't

east isn't something positively called eastern philosophy it's just that

there's something specific and unique about western philosophy that eastern philosophy as a whole does not share thes things eastern philosophy as a whole have in common that the west explicitly defined itself by rejecting in this shere of philosophy

and theology and religion too with

the christianity western christianity

and i can get into that all that shit too right

like how we should support anti authoritarian navali exactly

nice straw man

nosbel trash

you will never get anti american ethno state in russia by the way

no one wants n russians don't want do people who want an ethno state is n avalny

navalni's the one who wants an ethno state you dumb couck

puns the one who stands for the supar national or supra ethnic russia

puins the nvali is the one who wants an ethno state this is a uniquely western notion is an ethno state

you fucking idiot

and by the way the nosbels

were would be on the side of navaly ten years ago

it would have been on the side of navalny ten years ago because the nosbels and the liberal opposition

we're together oh but you didn't know that now did you but you keep calling everyone a knows well even knowough you know the fuck you're talking about

you folkan idiot

i have so much hatred for infrared i want to find them and i want to kill them live on stream

you can't do shit you're a pussy behind your keyboard you're going to keep talking shit you're going to keep seething guys look at this comment right here

look at this folk and comment right here does it give more any explicit than this

he's just admitting how we control him he's my personal little bitch you hate me so much and we're growing so fast

what can you do

what can you do about it

anglo invented civilization this do said anglo invented civilization

he said angle invented civilization

what you guys think about that is that self evidently wrong i think it'slf evidently wrong we have to address it self evidently wrong

this is one of those self evident things

exactly i love this

i love that you identified who it was

you can't cry about more racism against you when you are literally a racist against western or you races against western marxis or you racis against western mos reverse racism guys ok

western marxs are pressed guise

they're oppressed

there the oppressed minority just like the intellectuals oh my god i'm racist against western marxis i'm rais onll you poor little thing you poor little thing i'm racis against the way you're such a victim you' such a vis stuff fuck up blow it out your ass you pussy

docking beach

five hundred foking sobs five hundred fok and sobs that's right

the anti angle of thing is purely ideological rather in

cablive has nothing to do with race

exactly that's what we mean by anglo

he lied now looking at the stright hides the partnership

in friend it you can't stop us

exactly

exactly

exactly

exactly

you have an interest in what infrad people exactly

here's all the base youill come out

he's on the base we'll coming out

is it youuus find this funny because i don't get this joke i t somebny explain to me i don't get it

i don't get it

like what are you trying to say

what what meaning are you trying to convey because i've elaborated on my meaning plenty of times

right i've tried to communicate something which anyone in good faith

can understand it is capable of understanding

so i i'm not sure you're just i'm not sure you're trying to ca communicate anything except to try to make the argument

that everything i say is meaningless nonsense

let's try anglo

you know that's interesting everyone marks this seen

the countries have been deeply religious

true isn't it

wheres western capitalism

yeah i like this too

cope of the day cope of the day

tru

this simply isn't true how has europe handled the coronavirus this simply isn't true european union exercises no control over the outcome whatsoever are you a fucking idiot you know what's going on in the european union do you know the most elementary thing that's going on in the european un the greek debt crisis and all these debt crisis england you think you think the european union leaders have control over these outcomes

of the european people in the same way china does

isn't this the laugh of the day guys isn't this the culp of the day this is the dumbest shit i've ever fuckon heard

this is dumb as shit

is that what we were trying to say trying to address

are we still alive

okay

there's a playback er ok whatever was because left people

you are angle you are angle all of you are angle

everyone i don't like is anglo

well no ever everyone can see it though you know i'm saying like when i sy everyone can see it

they can see itt if they want me to elaborate more i can elaborate but i'm pretty sure everyone can just see what i'm talking about when i call you a fucking anglo

yeah this is kind of true almost everyone i don't like

is in this kind of anglo dogmatic mode of thinking because eastern people who disagree with me they know they communicate as humans just like how napoleon pointed out about the fucking

the fucking british who wouldn't

to bow to the chinese emperor because they considered it nonsense

you know it's just something about outside of

anglo supremacy

there's something about being outside of anglo supremacy

isn't what bonapartism

because i mention napoleon

i'll save this anyway because you put an effort for this

i'll save this anyway

as he put inan effort

so props for you for that

keep making means for us guys this this this makes us big this makes us go big

strongly disagrees with

has what am i missing dude you're exactly the person i predicted when i took that test someone who's going to take it seriously you actually think i was thinking and i only said this because it's cringed when most people say this i was just trying to trigger people like you

i didn't care about that dumb test on lefty values even though it gave me marxist lendiness anyway that was a funny coincidence

i didn't care about that test dude for the last half of it i just clicked disagree on everything

think i was actually thinking when i did that

i'm not vosh i don't spend forty five minutes on it i wt wanted to quickly do it

oka you know the definitions are just strings of words

they vidally absolutely are you fucking retired

there's no if this guy smart

take for example the meaning of the word socialism

and the actual word socialsm this is why you can obsess over md dictionary definition this guy smart

see smart people on left youpole

exactly

the common law system i hateed so much

you soon as i sas historical character he immediately becomes a decisis yet it's true i'm a napoleonist now guys

i'm a napoleonist now

i want to start mentioning gangs kan more because i want to be a conist

y east

ask the japanese and vietnamese about china

imagine believing there is an east there is an east

if you ask chinese

in vietnamese people about china they're going to say maybe we don't like them but they are part of the east

so there is t east ate everyone i not knows that everyone knows there's difference between east and west

talk to any eastern they're going to tell you easterners believe in communal values they believe in the family over the individual they believe in the

they believe in h maybe religion not everyone but you know what i'm saying thet these common things people in the east have in common and in the west they believe in what the atomic individuals the center of the universe everyone repeats that same thing everyone kind of has that

uh same

same thing i've heard you know

it doesn't matter if there's quarrels and disputes

haws one of the one who started this

dichotomy arguments

yeah there is a difference between east and west objectively there is yeah

and if you don't understand that you're a fucking idiot you're artistic or something

and you have i i feel you know if you're artistic that's fine but

some of us are not

there's an east and west look at the issue of masks yeah i know dude there is an east and west i can't believe people deny there's a difference there is dude

there simply is

just definition just informs along with the context w are it's not wrong to ask for a definition just it isn't wrong to use materials dialects as to model

materials dialects doesn't model anything dude that's weird what are you talking about model

it doesn't model anything

it doesn't model what would be the path forwards in a given context it deals with what is and the contradictions objective contradictions that exist now materialist dialectics doesn't model anything that's your anglo brain coming out again anglos are not anglos specifically american pragmatists think you can create models in your head and reality's going to conform to that that's not how it works dude

a materialist dialectic ontology considers american pragmatism to be subsumed

within it

not as the highest relationship to being possible you don't model things in your head you can only do that within a fucking vacuum sealed test

friendly environment

which is which being in the world if it's an open world is not

i know we have a zion as butthterd bitch here

but if you need to use the word absolute i think i think this is just a

what do they call it the copy pasta though right this is a zionist copy pasta he just put has in front of it

but he shoild

neither use absolute gospel going other ways socialism is an experience i didn't say it was an experience i said socialism is defined by the way the word has been used historically in its tradition

you fucking idiot

he haas who do you like more

here we go dude

this is this is i promise you this guy's living in england right now he's living in england right now they always repeat this mem

this is a hundred per cent england dude dude deal with your own country you guys are dying like flies cacuse of the coronavirus don't bother me

this is pull tier it pull comment

get out edgelord that's what i'm exposing no no no don't tellm to get out i want to keep exposing this i want to keep exposing these people oka here's the zionist heyaz you're retard there's no genocide in palestine all palestinians in israel are full citizens with full civil

this is literally a guy in the fuckin moad who's watching my stream for some reason and he's on left youpol and he found out about us this is literally a fucking mosad type of internet army warrior electronic guy whose who'se copying and pasting from the massade manual

some shit he wants to give me dude get a fucking life i don't care i know this is what you do for a living and this is your job to be israel's p r department on the internet

but i don't care lu this is like a brochure this reads like a brochure dude go jack off or something stop bothering me i don't fuck and care about you you fuck and loser why are you on lefty pole dude pro tip mosad there's no reason to be on fuck and lefty pole right now there's no reason to watch infrared i don't care about you

okay

but yes i support b d s and i do support the palestinians i am with the palestinians and i do support b d s you put me on record for that

and i'll tell you that but you know what are you going to do about it what are you going to do about you going do shit so fark off

yah

true

uh if you don't

uh if you don't uh

if you don't lock people up any more because you dominate them ideologically is haz market place of ideas game

how does eological domination work in oz mine it's exactly what i'm doing to all of you on left poole right now who are haters and are against me it's elogical domination

like you have the majority who's on in for redside and you're in the minority that's a kind of ideological predomination i didn't have to lock any of you up

they got

i found hows rhetoric contradicting to who he waves his flag for of course you can give socialism a definition no you can't

you can't because it'll always have to change

the challenge is giving sourceim a definition in context to other political nuance

the definition is predicated on many variable substance

how many striking how many votes

living standards election

dude this autism oh my god you're trying to create an eternal system an eternal box that works for every single variable across every time it will never happen ok there's no one definition that's going to apply to all of these variable substance quantity quality relation where when possession poses no single definition is going to hold true for this for all time and the reason why is because

you might try to discover one the least common denominator but then some socialistic phenomena will happen in the future and you're going to crucify it is not real socialism because it doesn't conform to this definition because across all of time this definition completes

continues to change so if you're in nineteen fifty re trying to create a definition that's going to be different from the definition you create in nineteen eighty if you're living in eighteen seventy you create a definition it's going to be different from the definition youing create in nineteen twenty

you understand the problem here it keeps changing so when you try to put your foot down and say this is the definition

okay

when you try to put your foot down and say this is the definition

then you're going to end up being dogmatic toward the real living movement of sourcism or communism or whatever as it is unfolds in the future

that's the point

i'm not arguing how am i arguing against i degradude

every single definition is context dependent i agree with that

i agree with that

when did i disagree with that eh

never disagreed with that

preferred it

hey has is political correctness the logical conclusion of the anglle box yes it is political correctness believe it or not

i well i don't know you can blame it on america but it's peak anglo stuff yes it is

i one hundred percent agree with that

live streaming is more impactful than direct action very true take a picture of it snap it quote me on it

has you should redo your

who are infrared view make it shorter

with the falconise freaks and why is such a big deal all sd i don't know

how shoul do whre and you know we're going to do that you're right you're right we're going to do that

we are going to do that

we are going to do that hey

who keep shitting up our board why not pick on some weights of su shit i did i worked out earlier today

but before i started to stream i was in the gym

there's a reason why hasanabi gets views because he's pretty hot and but we can't all look like that you know

we cann at look like that

is the same she joan

json no i don't think that's true actually i watched hassan when he was at one k ws

and twenty nineteen and i knew he was going to get big because he's so consistent

and he does it almost every day

and yeah but maybe yeah the look looks factor is definitely a thing too

but

it's not just that dude there's a lot of good looking people on twitch who don't do well

so

it's not true

um

i'm out for am saying as guys says i want to encourage everyone to start streaming and stuff i encourage all you guys to start your own channels start putting out content start being constant creators we're the forty thieves right now we can we can all do it you know

i want everyone to do this shit even if you hate me please put contin out there get the ball rolling

don't just sit behind your keyboard it's boring

it's getting old

if i'm for clout why amy head rog a sancetit that pisses people off

because drama gets views

you're intentionally being controversial to get people to engage

t

ok it's kind of a good point

i guess like in this hypothetical thing you're talking about

but i think it's also turned a lot of people off

as much as is much as his

got people to engage

it's turned more people off

i've seen how paul more and all those people get a lot of views just by repeating

shit that they read in their discord groups

and i honestly think that would be a bigger path to views

and stuff

but

why do you think i'm doing this you actually think i'm doing it for personality reasons

dude i haven been public in like

ten years or something you know clearly it's not because of how you're saying

you know clearly it's not because of how you're saying

a read the whole post

has men when you talk about hasanabi he is actually way more radical than he lets on

i don't know due

i don't know but um

i don't know i don't watch him that much you know i watched him twenty nine thusan i checked him out

unt which

like i checked this channel out and stff

in his stdream because i was fascinated by streaming back then

so much for we are just regular m ls

we're saying that but we know we have to defend that

you're the ones being deviant you are we are we are saying that we know we have to defend that but that itself is a very unique position we ack knowowledge that in the west we know

ok but hey good on you for being honest about it has

we are just regular good old emals that's all we ever said

but we understand

even saying that in the west is a unique position you have to defend i'm notus you see how you take words out of context and you're not engaging me in good faith i didn't mean it in the sense of we're the same thing as most western m ls i'm saying we identify just as good plain old m ls but we know that's a heterodox position in the west and the way we're doing it you're just take if you approached me in good faith and you approached me in good faith

oka you wouldn't be saying all this dishonest shit you know what i'm trying to say and despite that you're trying to twist my words to make me sound like a fucking idiot and i'm sick of it

i'm going to check the d ms and i'm was done with this shit

hate when profound dialectic happens ok

want to make marxs lens mainstream want to introduce the very entry and why would sa it because i just explained that focing on his paint i re just explain it because first it has to be high we have to be elite first and then just like china's with this planned economy we lower and lower it even more you fucking idiot

just let me finish the m s paint first before you make a smart comment

domaes

hi sake your message on twitt i know i'm just going to invite that guy on folking for debate let me finish this first

i'm not going to let the heaters win for today they have to get the daily whipping

he has if you have a little time willing to put ok i understand i'm i'm going to check it out don't worry

this is kind of dubious thoug we'll see how it pans out

yes you do have to start that with it's the logic of socialism

it's literally the logic of fuck and socialsm with chinese characteristics you have to have it high be high first so you can have a solid foundation then you can choose how you want to lower the fuse and the valve and shit

trust me we know what we're doing we've been successful so far

ok

reads half of the post why do you keep taking my words out of context because there's hundreds of fucking posts here don't piss me off in the chat right now there's hundreds of fucking posts here that's why i have to get through them i'm the one fucking streaming right now and you guys are writing throwing at me millions of fucking posts i have to get through them to finish this cause everyone in the chat keeps bothering me to check out my twitter d m s so i can bring that fucking guy on let me get through this guys

hich one do you fucking want you wt me to read these all in depth and systematically tear them apart or you want me to fuck and get through this i'm trying to get through this

i know dude i am going to f i always finish it

because if i don't finish it they're going to go and say ohs you normal comment no i'm going to get through it

we're going to do this for a while guys until we get a hundred views

we have to prove ourselves

the people get hears

worse by the corner of virs are the bongs

the burghers are some of the most impoverished people

this is because the elites are disregarding their own people exactly

see this isn't that far off from where i was before

here's

i know do i see it

okay

or you user grill in the back

kate no more haters here why are you talking about phiosoper most people nver heard of because iz isn't a marxist socialist here we go here we go you allllah here we go

this is my true mission of infrared masquerading a socialism

but actually spreading duganist idiology

dude we're not hiding that we've read dougin it's not some scandal you're exposing i have read dougin i do find dougan somewhat interesting it's not a sick fucking scandal but i can also explain to you why i disagree with dougin so no you're wrong i can explicitly lay it out to you why i'm not a fuckin douginess which one is it

this is how uginess actually operate they use oh here we go with the conspiratorial and you i don't have time for this shit man i'm trying to get to this fucking

guy on twitter on the dions i don't have time for conspiracy theorists masquade whatever the track people

from maxis to fascist you do going ust cares about brazil look at his facebook i cares about his brazil he

he's done he's not even a favorite in the russian state anymore

you're overthinking it dude

they don't care about ideology that's why has has no definition of socialism

dude

how many conspiracy theories are we going to see invented now

it's so tiring

go think what you want i don't care think what you want i don't care i'm not going to do with it think whatever you want i'm a do goanis and i'm a chinese agent and i'm an iranian islamic agent spreading islam spreading shia islam through marxism i don't care what you think dude

i can do it for you

great

you can send me the zoom in right here i will send it to did

inard

okay

the two greatest kis are proberm in any one call

ok my pvh

you seem like a big baby

yeah

has what's material is for angles being cancer

well what is materiality what is ma what do you mean by material are talking about substantial because this isself is an anglo dogma

on an ontological level

anglos represent the tyranny of the last form of modern idealism how would i put it that way

itself

there's no material substantial reason in the sense of anglo saxon metaphysics there is not

it's about a civilizational

i explain watch my video communism state and class the live stream watch it i talk about how institutions civilizations policies and state reach definite limits and beyond those limits superstructurally try to

conquer those limits and in vain and fail

watch that video i explained it more i can't give you a fucking

definite answer right now i'm trying to get through this

his can you fuck my girlfriend sure

he's calling gloi's just like we do get this good sounds it some like a mossage brochure

okay

why the fuck are you doing jenneys

are you endorsing iseleb

get over a dudy i'm not going anywhere see guys i made it

you guuss right i live in england please stretch

oh my god dude go you need help you're weird dude you're a weird o

he reads half your post and calls you a retard i doubt he's actually read anything at all

ok i find has's rhetoric contradicting to who he waves his flag for of course you can give socialism a definition the change challeng is giving socialism a definition and context to other political nuance

the definition is predicate ok now i see what you're saying you're saying based on the context you should give it a definition ok based ok then tell me the context you're looking for and then i'll give you my definition of what i think sourcialsm means in that specific

context but you have to define the variables first

and h don't say for all of time give me definite variables like what does socialism mean from nine hundred fifty to nine hundred sixty eight

you know i mean something like that

give me definite variables and i can try to give you a string of words that i think accurate reflects what socialism was

ok

does that satisfy your question

if angles invented civilization

then why did they use the same innovative words

yeah i mean

i like i said it's self evident it's self evident

just refind what's your favorite book by marx

has

my favorite book

you know what i almost kind of want to say

but it's going to make me sound weird if i say it

it also makes you want to see

ah

fucking on

i don't know if i should say the jewish question but only because

i think that's the most overlooked one by my favourite one is the most overlooked one the jewish question

but it it's going to make me sound like an anti semite but it's not because of that

it's because of his views how he articulate religion and all that kind of stuff in general but

but that's not a book exist an article

so in terms of books

it's tough

i like the eighteen broumer a lot

that one's really influenced i always return to it how is different from sample pe hunting ok reverse racism type of guy

it's very different okay

it's very samuel p huntington is the one who exposed

through his very writing proved

the latent dogmatism within anglo civilization they recognized the rising of other peoples in the world and he was scared of that

so that the proof is in the pudding

ok we're done we're done

happy guys were done

we're done

we're done

you guys happy

we're done

messages

how do i join join your stream

well we want this guy this other goings to join first so we have to invite him first

you can send me the zoom and right here ok i'll send you the invite

jesus christ ok he's coming now

we got through that thread ok

absolutely blew the fuck out of all the haters in that thread

ok too many anglos are weird okumors we made it yeah we made it

we made it

we made it

oh my god

can't believe we made it

told you guys would make it

you make it through the thread

he'd make it through the threat

yea i sent him the thing

i sent in the thing

see how popular this fuckon

thing is this is one of our most popular tweets

seo parts tweeters

sometak those infrared posts are going to be three hundred posts long they'll never finish it

that when we get like a hundred consistent viewers

i'll start skipping them way more

you know but for now we can we can go to the

oh yeah docs the link

why i just won't admit people

let me tell him

i

tell me

what his his zom name is

you watches

yeah

it's not beast worded

there's no password

s no password

you med the same invite ginji just wait be caause i'm we're going to have to have a one in one talk with this guy who wants to debate us

you know

it's going to be confusing having too many people on

i can't give it you sig ma

i i

jeesus man we pieked seventy viewers today isn't that fucking crazy

it's a fucking record now

we're growing so fast it's crazy

falking insane

i want to see hows bar knuckle fight someone now now jennifer you want me to have to

fight physically

damn man

go to start having to do boxing matches and shit

and i ma a type shit

it's going to get to that level

a man

oh wow

wow how many how many subs we had

five sixesus

rise

sx jesus focking christ

becauss know how much that is

it's insanity

that's fucking insanity guys

it's fucking insanity

five hundred six sobs

crazy

it's crazy

in five hundred seven now

five hundred seven subs

that's falking crazy dude

crazy

who knew we'd get to this fucking far you know

sanity

thank you

to i told you

okay

it's fuck an insanity do

that incanity

sincerity

five hundred seven sups

i know et

seventy viewers

is's that fuckin crazy dude we get every week we rise ten viewers

fucking crazy you don knowo time will at one hundred

weere how we're at sixty four now right

it's fucking crazy man

that's crazy

it's crazy

a guy i'm still waiting for that guy

still waiting for that guy

doge to one dollar

yeah

mm

okay

that so far

it's ok

w norway were at five hundre nine

no way we're at five hundred nine

no way were i five hundred nine

oh my god we're five hundred and ten

we have five hundred and ten subs

can you fulking believe that guys were at five hundred and ten subs

oh my fukin god dude

five hundred and ten sobs

and we still have haters

on on the youtube studios says five ten

oh my god dude we still have haters and we have this many subs

we still have haters in this many subs

can you fuck and believe that guys how fast we're growing

can you believe how fast we're fucking growing

i can't

i can't

it's insanity

as insanity

sanity man

yeah dude we rose a lot of fuck and sobs what up kathy sander just joined

what man

it's all mellow i have a cup of tea

damn dude

fifty six likes three distlikes let's go

i'm i'll take those numbers

three but heard bitches man

and they're still seething and theyir mad do th guide that thread do you know what th guiine that thread said

the guy in that thread he went

he went

i hate infrared

so much

and i can't stand how fast they're growing

he admitted it oh alex is coming

this is not the alex i know

to the different alex

okay hold on ya what's up hold on

from lefty pole

yeah my bet

you can hear me now

what's up man

ya what's up

um i think um

i just think i want to talk to you about couple things um

i think i appreciate a lot of what you're doing um it's really like um i can understand where you're coming from although i wouldn't go

um all the way with you but um just a few words about bafketballs just like uh

it's a bit irritating because um boy she has given me left people a cholott i think a couple of months ago or something like that since then they have been flooding ards in a way so there's sort of like radlips and like um

we have people on their end

um

i think yes uh i think wash just like i think wash actually like created

this audience pretty much like um of people who like in banned in comming the suburbs and all that

so they they basically go to the fey book so like uh

us i think i'm a communist and i'm communism is like the center as blak said yeah well the way yeah the way i put that is that to me right now in america the political distinction between right and left is kind of this bullshit culture meaning

this stuff

but i also think that

the left right distinction from a dialectical perspective represents something

politically objective to me

if you think dialect this is a spiral temporality

then from my perspective

left in politics right so far as ins ofve politi is concerned

is always going to stand for

in the last instance the revolutionary change that

propels the spiral forward if that kind of makes sense

so in a sense it is inevitable that the left

right distinction

will reassert itself

in a new way but the problem is that

marxists must

have an objective sense of the center first

out of which arises the left and right

a distinction

that's why in for example in the history of the bolshevik party

there was always a left in a right

i

whe

tion is alsle in yet in maintaining the center position

a stalin did

if you look at it from a macro perspective the long term trend is a left word

the position and this extends forward to male

and so on and so on maw was even more left

a

so yeah you become is you appear to become right wing

but in the larger scheme of things it's even more left wing than

the

go

fake left that appears to be

yeah that kind of makes sense you

ya um i feel also like um the left right distinction is

like they thedy theh idlogs to try to replace things like this these wed economies like libertarian and author itcharian alwas bll shit and it's totally terran and open society like caut up it and this is like that this bullshit always like exists but i just think that left like it's still on like the scale of like politics in a way because it was like one of the friendship sort of thing and i think like i mean

so like where i come from and like my party we caall a lot of people like radicals abot connotation because we refer to like lenin's fting radicalism so we use a word to describe like trustis and thats all that stuff it's the german communist party

you know what's funny

like i'm pretty sure i'm not sure maybe he was lying but i think neon used to be a member of this party like um and he made like a lot of like videos about um celebrating sparty and celebrating china and all that and then he had a complete turnaround at some point

and deleted his channel it now does what he does now and so

it's uh i don't i don't know if he was really like um

it's slitle like member because it got like kicked off twitter and you have like other other party accounts basically criticizing because it was completely unhinged and like yeah so um

it i don't know maybe yeah in't like thse ch boy wen to chak you know i wouldn't say that i think the right also changes but unbeknownst to itself both the left and the right change in a way

that they themselves could not possibly foresee that's why marxist

do remain in the center

but it's a center that inevitably is left wing

that makes

that will become left wing

but the

i'm the neon thing neon used to be our main villain

for this entertainment but now we have a lot of

seething

very angry anglos

who and there's maybe one or three of them

become our main

villains now and

'sice

a good well yeah youn now is the time to come reconcile with us because we have bigger

yeah

yeah i really like that the like i really like that you the end goal of your plan is like to take dont thatts you like that's that's kind of like what a lot of people want to hear i think but um

but yeah but i think now to like my little christas i think or like maybe a little debate like i think this wh like the org lving socialism type of thing

like i know you i know why you're doing this right like i know where you're coming from but um i think um

i still wouldn't go all the way with that because if you look at how capitalism changed between like nine eunentred century anchualy of production free competition to of capitalism and the sort of like monopolis capitalism we have now these maye like

just to be fair for

the ar

right like

we know we can at least both agree that

we would call a monopoly cap

land

yeah

because i wouldn't call it really monopoly capitalism and i think something way more dynamic

decentralized

is going on

gay

so i think we should stick to the change from nineteenth century

up to when lenn was writing

we can both agree there is a change there

well i i will elaborate on that like the change from on boards from on not only capitalism but um

i think um

uh you know but when you have like um you know these big um stock companies and you know mark talks a lot about how the role of credit how it changes the mode of production may be transformative

and i think um it's still like why these all a qualitative changes within capitalism as in the sense that for example imperialism arises as the highest stage of capitalism

um i don't believe

that um it is the same as a form of socialism and i think um so what was developed by a lot of like marxist lanist parties in europe i think um after world war two was the theory of state monopoly capitalism

which is basically similar to what let and describes but it just goes a bit

further i think and it's basically where production is already completely socialized in a sense and i

you still have like and so basically the individual capitalist you know the cigar ppping corky guy becomes so becomes like sort of like a mirage of like s alls and executive sports people and and all that and sort of like the the character maths for capital which is what the individual capitalist used to be its like stretched out so like a lot of like t more

more people and

yeah exactly yah exactly and it's also like a loot more planed

like with the financial um

of the finan the finance capital and also like where the state basically just regulates to secure the the the the um the the the super profits and they don't only come from

roker exploitation right they also come from rents like lenon

used to talk about the events your state and s i didn't have french in school it butm they they basically

and of course there's also sperialism also wh the super prophets coming from

and but i think that what's missing there i think from aan historical trajectory is that

capitalism like this like there's still it's still a form of capitalism i think

what misses is like this rupture where you basically have the overthrow of the bush estate and the overthrow of the monopolists and the i think now are like probably we call it the dientanglement of monopoly capitals basically just meeds transferring it into public ownership and um i think um that's sort of like this decisive element because

um

i think we have to move away from like because you know the soviets the used to have the little autism boxes too right

like when they wrote their theories they would be like ok this society is like social leaning the society is constructing socialism

already

governed

tens of millions

the

so they would they had to simplify things in little panthers

make it accessible to the layman

in a really quick

you a way

that the room for the necessary nuance and stuff

and that kind of stuff the

but that doesn't mean it was it was an anglle box

with the soviets the way that they were just simple

i think they were just simplifyed yeah

a yea no i'm i'm just saying that um you know it's like i think you alluded to this in your last stream about uh

deluse was like investigating sort of this phenomenon of also like centralization decentralization and how one begets the other

and i think um

you know like the soviet union the warso pack they they represented sort of like uh

like a very centralized form of of of socialism and

um

when it comes to like china and china they have

developed a similar theory like in in the sense that

they now talk about like decentralized so socialism by which they don't mean like typical ar some of sull shit but they just mean that that now

yea that socialism now has like a lot of national chara characteristics thats like cuban socialism vietnamese socialist laoshin socialist like korean socialism and so on and um

that is basically a result of the collapse of the s and i think yeah that's that that's i think it's pretty interesting in a sense that you have nolede this decentralization but but yeah i i would however i would sort of disagree that i think that in the west of the impus countries you have a sort of like thecentralization i think you actually have more centralization but i don't know where you're coming from this

okay let me lok a there's a few things i think we have to cover

first

i don't agree we are in

imperialism the highest stage of capitalism right now in twenty twenty one

i think there has been a threshold

lennin was alluding to that sometime in the twentieth century specifically marked by the rise of america supplanting england

has been crossed

to me

that we are not in the highest stage of capitalism we're not in late stage capitalism

ibviously you're familiar with the argument that i arge with living in socialism

so to say to say that i am aware that lenin already described imperialism as

monopoly capitalism

and you know this kind of centralization and all this kind of stuff

i never made the argument that that's why we live in socialism

you know i under i under i've read lennon's book i understand for lennon this is the highest stage of capitalism

to me

why we live in something called socialism is because we were past that threshold

it's not simply

huge centralization and monopoly

it's the fact

that proceeding from this

unity de centralization

this has been repeated in the

in uh

how do i put it

it has been a

deterritorialized in the delusan terms

and repeated

in the

market in the sphere of market exchange in relations what i mean

and specifically i think

the example of the fact that we believe in socialism

is derivatives as the main

h

main site of antiscial profit making

derivatives

you know derivatives are

uh ya i think i know

so we talk a lot about finance and i think a lot of people talk what finance capitals just because they're aware that there's a lot of degrees of financial abstractions

involved in the economy

but when a lot of people

when a lot of people hold on gingje saying so

okay when a lot of people ah

i just fok and mos my train of flock to the in

when a lot of people say

that

this is finance capitalism it's almost like

ah

there

there

five steps

uh

before

the start five step below the curve

what i mean by that is that

it's so superfluous to speak of finance capitalism that

you can't even speak of the specific financial abstraction

as the main the

the main site of capitol today

it's even something beyond that it has to do with this kind of

profoundly social attention economy for example

and i always love using the recent read it

the

nomadic socialist raiding

game stop

as an example of this

prices and the

all this kind of stuff

have devolved not in not into this ultimate form of profiteering

for an oligarchy as lenon was talking about it but as signal

that signal

the new oligarchy we're facing jeff basals and he one must

and all that kind of stuff

i

that's a

that's something different from lenin's imperialistic oligarchy inm i

i can elaborate more but i just want to get to gainj point gje

g i know you want to come on

but please just be respectful of the fact

that i'm having one guest on and i'm one fucking person

and i'm already kind of exhausted from that lefty pull thread

so call me some slack i'm trying to deal and talk to one guest

and you're trying to bring up a lot of other points

i don't see how it's useful

to bring up cons university discourse

yes i'm aware

lak on said that the exemplary example

of the call the university discourse

was that the soviet union that the university discourses in power the so un

i know

but why would i say this to an audience of sixty people who aren't familiar don't even care about what call

other than to just make myself look smart

i don't know why i would ever bring that up or say that or why it's relevant

i do get that

ok

you're bringing something else this i'm trying to focus on one train of thought in please just be respectful of

i didn't miss his fucking point he didn't mention the cons university discourse so what are you talking about

how did i miss this point

you're saying his ok let me let's put it in his words

was your point something about the lakian university discourse that i missed

he's saying no he's saying it wasn't his fucking point

so what is it ok

so if there's a point i missed on your part please elaborate about what i missed i'm sorry my my head's foggy so

i could have forgotten and missed something but

ya like i'm i'm just not a big i'm psychanologous guy so i mean i i i

i don't really have much to say about that i think there're like in general i think psych analysis like useful and stuff but m

i think sometimes it leads to like the psychologization of social relations too much

and yeat i don't i don't like it for the same reason i don't like people who try to

superimpose psychiatry i prejust prefer to speak in social terms i'm a lekinian myself i precisely think the problem with luk on

okay gen gig seng

no piss point was but how the u s car had its own

boxes

it's a different conversation gingj

but

even if it had its own

boxes whatever its was mean it wasn't the same thing as the anglo box and i'll

argue that to the death it was in the same thing as the i didn't want to make like i didn't want to make like to be an equ distance between like ang autism and that i think the u s a star there was dogmatisms and sterility that might have prevailed in the u s a

but even then it's kind of unfair to say

soviet philosophers and intellectuals are were among the most

profound in brilliant in the entire world

have you heard of the guy evolt in the enco

he can you know spar with these western guys to

so

i don't see what the point is you know

ok sorry

go ahead

no problem

like uh

yeah like i don't i don't i really have los

it's my trainer what um but i i think i wanted to also like um appreciate that you um

that you sort of like um confront these these stus w always use like material conditions as like some kind of dogma like that's that's triggers me so much like um

like material conditions like i mean

it doesn't say anything like

um

like as you say like it it changes as well like for example like the things that newton and all those guys considered materialist material

like those guys would like ridicule the kind of stuff that was considered matter or material and like the time of einstein and all that so they

precise

you understand now the meaning when i say angloic

yeah exactly yeah

another human being understands what i mean

yeah

and um

ya just about um

like and i think also like when people call russia imperialist and all that

um it's like they haven't really like they haven't even read letter i think

because um on the last like um chapter of imperialism

he also mentions that there' is a like he implies its also subjective factor like you can actually could use these categories of some sort of like a handbook to see whether or not something is aperialist right

and um

by the way but even if you go like through these definitions like you see stuff like russia is mostly like exporting commodities and raw materials and like resources like oil and gas like they don't even actually export much of capital

their financial sector isn't really that big as well like compared to like any fucking country so basically what they're doing is like they maybe flex the muscle in their own like sort of like

you know um

own little he gemony of the former uses our states but i think that's not imperialism in that sense like

they they always like reach out like all of branches to you on a trade and the you alwas like satches them away and says like no you can sanctions all so it's like it's really absurd that people have these aqui distance between like western imperialism and whatever shid russia's doing you know like and when people are going r t and they say like and imperialist and like communists like social stuff and all that they don't want to do it because they want to du

people and make them dupes and make them all like follows of alexander do going or something they do this because objectively r t has to fight american ha gemony so all they have in by like left and right to like speak up against that and so it's like it's not that i endorse ar t or something just an objective quality of thing you know so i don't know that this is the ilo of reality man people

are pretending

history

people are pretending to speak for a position of

judging things equally

oh russia and america i'm in a position to judge those equally

even though america' is in the objective position of the union polar power

we don't know what it would look like for

a russian

rebellion against america

and what the outcome and consequences of toppling american you know polarity is

you know one baseline in metric i always like to use is

are people getting ahead trying to

get it beat things to the chase and get ahead of the curve what i mean by that is that

are they being too preemptive

are they abstractly imagining that they think they know

that all of china's in powers the same thing as america

but

the decline of america the consequences of that

it's such an uncharted territory you simply have no way of imagining

what that would be like what opportunities that would open up

what political developments would arise from

the idea that you're in a position of judging things equally

and you can see you can say oh it's all

and another thing too is that

calling china's belt and road in pures because exporting infrastructure is the same thing as exporting capital

it's such a profoundly

impoverished

you

of the belt and road in these new developments that are happening in this new era of

you want togree it social let's say it's aew er of capitalism that we

i

it's so impoverished that i almost feel bad for the

i

it be just because they have a limited understanding of

reality

you know yes it's a limited understanding

these really new develop there is a lot of interesting things to be said about china's belt and road in this new significance of infrastructure

but apparently this is all the same

landag was

allen

yeah like like and and it's like if you look at like if you go all beyond the scope of capitalism and like look at like feudalism and stuff like that it's like you'd be really declared insane if you say like

there are jt objective changes and feudalsm that make a lot of differences on revolutionary change right like when you for example have to centralization on and you have the you have the sort of fragmentation of the holy roman empire you know like these are objectively revolutionary

motions and to say like oh it's both just fuking feudalism like i mean not even not even the the the capitalists of like the enlightenment and all that even these thinkers would would consider it like that like it's obviously very stupid to say like that yeah but i do actually consider like china to be maybe not the primary phase of socialism but like the preliminary stage of socialism and it's very interesting because like

in like their more mainstream outlets like c g t n or something they always refer to themselves as the primary stage but in their like internal or theory based documents they refer to themselves as the preliminary stage so there's also a bit of the faith of the on and a bit of the sort of like how they talk with each other i think and um or like how they talk also to other outcomunist parties

and um i think it it does it does it equate to like what you i think sketched out in you derspain is that

um

so if if china delivers all these objective outcomes then the the consequence for somebody who has like a dogmatic marxist on angle marxist would be so either marx was wrong and capitalism candid of all of that

or theres something se going on in china that maybe cannot be

are subsumed under the label of lise just simply capitalism you know

i try not to get hung up on this idea of stages so even though i know it was

commonplace amongliners for twentye century

yu

i like to see communism

not as a society

but i understand it will have profound

consequences for society

and i agree that those consequences will amount to

the end of money and the end of states in the

i agree with that it's just that

it's such a

an incredible abstraction

it's almost just an abstraction that allows you to be open to the future

yes the state doesn't always have to exist money doesn't always have to exist

but what does that look like i have no fuck and i

what i mean

to me

communism to me is as marx described it this real

movement

this real

force in reality

yeah

that is transformingtive

but to me

i don't that's why i don't even mince words calling china communist

a sense you know

it's not

you know people will get mad be you're saying it's a communist society but i don't

i don't i'm not

interested in this abstraction of a communist society at all i'm interested in

what

fundamental relationship

to be

does china possess

o

that can uniquely be called communist

that's what i mean

i'm interested in the communist relationship

to being i'm not interested in this

some future communist society which

maybe will be thousands of years until that

ever coming into the p

being relevant

yeah

yeah well i i don't i don't know if that's thousands of years but uh yeah i i i get the point like um

it's like uh you know sorry not so good you are

but one of the other reasons i like to say we live in socialism is i don't want people to have this idea

that there'sjus going to be some point in time in the future

where it's all going to be fine

and where you can just have this as a reservoir

well there's problems now but the with the problem this mess messy mstic conception of the pollution now that's precisely it

that's precisely it i don't like

um

eschatological ways of thinking about that's why i kind of

that's why i say i like to say we live in social

because

i want people to understand that the fundamental

consequences of

socialism

for your individual being

because you are an individual

right

it individuals are the ones craving ins all i want to live and w well

in a socialist society

i want to live and dwell in a communist society as an individual

to me my point is saying

you as an individual the consequences of what socialism is

for you fundamentally

he's already realized

so go to the next step

don't

think that you can

cast your problems off into some future society that's going to

make your life better

because it honestly will probably not your life probably won't be better

within your lifetime

if you're going to be struggling as a partisan of so fial

or communism

well i mean

i would not fully agree with that in a sense that

when you look at the levels of oil production that we have today and the well of the way uh the level of immiseration we still have even in the west like um

it's like there's like um imbalance there between sort of like material production and the social relations which what mark calls us the fetter

on on on capitalist production and

so i i think that's that's appealing to to people i think in just outraged to like

lay open this contradiction there

so you know in in america people don't buy

the people who buy that idea are metropolitan

bitter downwardly mobile types

who are so institutionalized and so oversocialized

in universities

and in professions and google working at google or something

that's

they do find it feasible this idea that i'm going to have a communist safe space in the

but

most americans at least most americans

i can't speak for everyone

most ordinary people

don't buy

panaceas that

oh in the future everything's going to be all right

i want people to understand that the present

is the site here and now is the site

of their contradictions

being developed

and in town

and to me i

you know

so i think your basic

position is that

it's still just capital

right

i mean not just i know i don' my question for you is what is it that fundamentally

makes it still

the in the last instance the mode of production is defined

by capital accumulation

what to you is an example of how that's true

you mean capital like demolation like i mean what i it's what capitalism is right m c m

to

yeah

ya and and and and and ya certainly it it um

yea i i guess you mean that you you really only check this through m c m like in a sort of like

um original accumulation wen you have like in the u s were they have these like great rivers and great plains and they basically have these uh capitalist relations and they expand and they

you know like that that type of thing but i think um

i i still think we still have the m c m um

we do we definitely do still have m

sorry

i think it's still dominant in some sense to me dominant it me has to be dominant in the last instance but is what i'm trying to say is that

to me m is an epicicycle for me of a bigger more fundamentally social

political economy socialist

political economy

but

i i i mean for example when you see

n corporation like amazon

do you would you agree amazon is an example of a

the

form of the one of the most advanced

o

enterprises private enterprises that

an example of private property at its most yeah

um

ya i i know what you mean and i just want to make um

this this disclaimer which is something you probably share what i hate about yang of discourses

that they always they come up with these examples so what about the barkeepers you ad particularh was your working class like you have these exact like carved out definitions right but they always like apply which is like also like a lot of leftcoms come from like huge you have the value form it's likeply and um i just want to make this discipline but i still um think that um

the allocation of a commodity um

to a another producer or to a consumer is part of the value

um and beddetts

in that commodity like truck drivers delivering it to like

excuse me i i sorr i didn't i didn't catch you do do you think that or you don't think that

in doact

you do

yeah i think it's what mark i don't have the exact quote here but i remember it's been a while since i read capital but i do think he also agrees with that

like basically um the transport is part of the uh socially necessary labor time so in that sense amazon would just be a

um

would just be part of the

we be part of production

right

okay um

not to

you know be a silicon valley devil's advocate of some kind

but do you really think that amazon would collapse if it

were to somehow automate that process with drones and driverless trucks and all that kind of stuff

you think that really would diminish

the value of the products being sold on amazon

another issue with

with that is that

amazon actually owns it does own

a lot of the

companies that sell products on amazon amazon itself manufactures it owns many of that's true

but many of these people are in true for ali baba as well

many of these people are independently settle selling their wares so to speak

i

selling their wares in their crafts on amazon

and i

it to me uh

e betding

in the

there' value

the value the that that seems strange because

that's that's accounted for in the delivery fee for example in amazon right

great but

the products price

seems to remain calm constant

when you take that ligly fee out

um i would answer to that that the um profit margin in like retail is always really low

like um

i i i would i would say like two year two year um hypothesis that if they um would just automate a way

um it would basically be um

it would obviously becued of the value of variable capital that's an amazon and but it would sort of like

it would still

like

have to make its little profit but um i think the the the problem there is and sort of outsource towards the

uh sphere of actual like production like um

the people who make the the goods and i think um

they have the problem that they have a crisis of accumulation

where they w the value of the of the goods is like

uh has to be a lot lower to be to be realized and and that and all that

so i think i think um

yeah i think i think what what what that would do is basically the similar thing that we have in this pandemic right now where you have like uh cars being torn apart because they can't be sold and all that

sorry was that last thing you said

like when you have like uh cars and and and ships and all that and they're be the destroyed because the value can't be realized and its pandemic yea

so

you know my issue with the

theory of value in general as

yeah we can talk about i taken in that sense as the work being put in

to the product

and then

that is what imbuses it with value in this kind of temporal

i think the issue though is that

i don't think this would cause the necessary

this is where the necessary falling rate of profit in crisis of

capitalism

i don't think this is where

encounters this type of problem

a

to

in terms of if amazon would to automate everything where there's a higher organic composition of capital for example yes

i don't think this it's i think in this day and age

it's so abstracted the price signals and the

the allocations of money capitals on is so fundamentally divorced from this corporeal sphere of the actual

means of its realisation by means of labor

that the

this would not be what makes a difference to me what would make a difference is the implications this has

for jobs

right

fact that people are unemployed

so it's almost this consumer side problem

if amazon were to automate the issue isn't

something

for the

the falling rate of profit

the issue is a demotic almost socialistic issue of

these people are not going to have jobs anymore

so how are they going to make the necessary money

in order to afford amazon's products in the first place

i think that would be much more likely to cause issues

then

ya this issue of

so i think the labor theory of value must be reevaluated

in the context of a socialist political

time

yeah sure like yeah

to me the creation of

value is something that is happening at the site

of what i like to call the living being

i

the citizen weork

so i got to call

the citizen were

which basically means it's not just the workplace that's the site of the creation of value

it's also the basic living being the circuit

daily life

where do you work where do you eat

where do you shot

where you well that's that's a vllue of your labor power

right like the means of means of that's the that's the value of your labor power that's the means of subsistence

but the subsistence itself is producing some kind of value

trying to say this is what is

creating value

is this

daily

living being itself

it's not just uh redistribute i i disagree with that i think

like i think i think like you' got to be careful like yout like it's like it's like similar like what some like andk sayen they say like you know like all these s all these like factors other the labor produce value like i do think that only neibor produces value but well what is labor is my question that's the hard question what is labor what is labor as far as maks like abstract labor like i mean obviously we can't compare like

what you're saying is you're saying labor as denominated by hourly wages

that's abstract labor

labor denominated by hourly wages

skill i mean abstract abstract labor for marxists like like the labor of a like a smith or a fisherman

that's been bought for a certain amount of hours

like whatf i the material act of like

putting a fishing road rought up and all that like that's concrete labor but abstract is just the sort of like abstraction of it

that was basically because you can compare you can compare like the physical

lived reality of like a fisherman and uh

and a smith because it's like fundamentally not comparable the same way you can't really compare values that's why in the economic exchanges abstract as the labor of a smiking label fishion p and so on

that's what i understand is is is

is abstract labor i think

to aut

ok so i was running to engine the chak ok yeah that's why i said it's abstract labor because it's denominated by hourly wages

that's what makes it abstract

right

yeah sure i would say i would say that the wages are more like the price of labor power whereas like the value of labor power is like

sort of like the eclouumprise

i know i know i know the distinction between price and value there's no need to get into that

ok the problem with that though for me

it's two things

that has become so profoundly social today

that

the price

of an individual's labor

ok

could not possibly be reduced to what they're getting

in their workplace

in their workplace for example

in factory jot union jobs also getting all sorts of different types of benefits

they're getting benefits unemployment all this kind of other stuff

and then they're getting government guarantees

for subsis

is the welfare state and now we're talking about u b i that's going to be implemented

you'll be on

you think so

yeah i do think basing income is inevitable i do think it's o one way oranother it's already happened in a sense

it's happening very slowly and very stubbornly

but

it is the

it is in a sense happening you be

so

to me u b i is an example of

is an example of labor in the age of socialist political economy

to me the reason why subsistence can be denominated

as a form of a

creating value

just basics thats i'm not

listen subsistence is a tricky word

because it sounds like just bare survival subsistence of the botle in holdes looks just smartphone its fall of all right i do't mean itt like it includes the basic

so that's why all these issues are surrounding housing reform and the surrounding the

housing is such a big site of struggle today and all this kind of stuff

it's because we've shift

from the temporal nineteenth century capitalism to a more spatial

you don't like to call it socialism it's a type of capitalism but yeah but i agree with the i agree with the special thing though

to

in i don't agree that that's the case ok g because

what i'm trying my

specific view which is not in writing in a way that's auccessible to you right now so i give you profit i understand

my point of view right now

it's coming from a perspective

that tries is trying to elaborate marxs in redeem marxs original

theory of value

into the twenty first century and through the twentieth century

all of this is originating from

at no point am i just innovating

and just adding shit

and like a transgresser

for me

being consistent with marx's original labor theory of value

long story short we're talking about years and years of work

has led me to this

please stop drawing these crazy conclusions

when we're just trying to have a normal talk and it even getting to all this stuff yet

kagan jeets you're like a modern chad i sos be doing this right now

yeah like i know you want to know im on but i'm one person

you know

i'm one fucking person

and even if i brought more people on right now

you can only hear one voice at a time

so just

be patient

fox

sorry go ahead

yeah like ginger di is like g he's been a lefty pos and s wy and he's like a really cool person like he does a lot of effort polls but it's also very intense personality so

he's got these tles you know i'm a finite human being and i just got through a threat of like three hundred posts

i'm trying to cope having it one on one discussion with some

no

yeah

ok sorry go ahead

yaho i think my critique of that would be that value is for marks like a social relation and labor doesn't really become social once of like

before it like enters the sort of be before the before sort of like it enters the serio circlation why is the question why

well because people make stuff in their homes and all that has no value like when i cook a meal it doesn't have any value becae a consumer

don't exchange don't wrong i agree with you but from what perspective is that true

what i'm trying to say

why is it when it enters into social circulation

only then does it become a social relation why is that

because you you because so exchange values are like use values compared to one another

and the like the expression of like socially necessarybor time which is like just value as and as it is mark describes it and that's what makes mark different i think from we ca it smith who only had it trany vue but i think what i wanted to say is like

you still have like

well you did have a sort of like a labor theory value like say slavery and all like our stot already like sort of almost sketch something that got out but you don't really have this but you know the slave to just directly applied a labor to something that is then finished not exchange so that's why i couldn't really

go all the way down to it

but i think um

uh

is that

because you can't compare it with values um the the underlying

common denominator

of things being exchanged its a social necessary labor time

and because that's the only thing you can compare

so it's like from it's from the perspective

of discreet

exchanges denominated in money

right

why why you say thiss creaen

like

i mean discrete it is basically exchanges that are discrete in the sense of

you give me so much

i don't know what's max example

you give me so much you

yards of linen and i give you so lin se yah it's a discretation right this much money equals this much good

mada

yeah but that's like

that's like the the that's a bit though that goes a bit into the like wole transformation problem debate which um

uh it's like the so like basically the buddhaile economists of like the late nineteenth century like

goun babak and all those people they thought they had like got shot they thought the got marks because they they

read a the capital volume three and they read that oh uses the

the thing like the value for a commodities constant capital bvery capital and simples value

oh but this those are all values but then he continues to calculate them in prices

so and that's they say that's the logical inconsistency marks and it's actually not aconsistenc y i think but it's like the whole transformation problem like how do you transf

transform like labor power into like monetary value i think and i think um

you can start with that but for example looking at like well just go

but

i think the distinction between value and price in marxs is quite explicit

i think the issue is for me wll people like cleman and all that they would disagree with you the like day but i don't support that well ok it's a relation of the not

they the only manifestation of value is in the form of price

they're not reducible to one

yeah like price i agree with you price is the only manifestation of value

but

value is not reducible

price

right no

yeah you know agree with that

values reduceable to like um

i think i agreed with that

um

i would just say like um because before we get in like fear mon i don't want to get into fear money like no no no but um like let's say like gold for example like when you have gold is the ultimate commodity it's sort of like the used value of gold is it's weighthed like an ounce of gold or something so basically the used values of other commodities are being weighthed being weighed against an ounce of gold

and that is sort of like the manifestation of value as exchange value right

um

but then you know like the gold itself has a price in the sense

as unlike so that the use value of allaor crystallizing

according tomorw

yeah right although that's a bit a's a bit difficult to talk about like minerals and gemstones like that because they alwayst come from red so mark mark was very explicit that gold

yeah i agree with that yeah no i'm just saying that usually like the price of gemstones and oils in the gas is usually higher

than than the value because um it's coming from from like rent and all that

i think it's the same thing

i think when mark said

i think people are just confusing what marx mean

i think it temporal order they're getting it

you

they're making it seem like

labor

substantial labor is being put into a product

and then that's what ibuses the product

with value

but there's a discontinuity between the

discret sphere of exchange in the price signal

which

which you're agreeing as

labor becomes socially commensurate

there's a discontinuity between this and the actual substantial labor

that gives it value

so we have on the one hand

a sphere of

discrete exchanges and also signals

price signals

and then on the other hand we have substantial labor which creates

value

my challenge

to mainstream

marxist anglo marxism

is simply this

why is it assumed

why is it assumed that the

that

the substantial labor

has a temporal precedence in the temporal order

why can it not be for example when it comes to march's example of gol

it given golden nugget

whatever an ounce of gold

is marx really saying that this specific ounce of old

is literally imbued with a specific amount of substantial labor

or is he saying

this amount of substantial

sorry this amount of gold

is a proxy for a potential amount of

labored to be realized

example

you see what i'm coming from with this

i see where you're coming from i think you don't forget that we still talking about the fetish for youre right like

then mark says that sort of like in animate objects are like fettershis having like mach col tes and all that they say

precisely yes

s

ya yea ya yea like so like when you say like um

that you have something is worth a certain amount of value you're already sort of doing a fetish

there you know like because it's a social relation and just turns into like a relation between things

because of that and um

to

so that that's what that my response to that it's already in marks i think to a degree like yeah you can't you can't i see the i see the

i see the the the the problems that you say

labor imbued in a commodity

and i would i would i would respond to that but that's still the fetish form it's just we talk about it because for practical reasons we talk about it like that

but yeah but the problem is that many marxes don't understand this and that's why for for me oil

for example is the sameing but it's not but it's socialized is the problem

for marks gold

is related to labor

and almost the kee

colloquially right

in an individual way an indefinite individual quantum of labor is imbewed in the school

to me

oil is the same thing as gold in a sense

but

there's two differences one

there's a direct utilitarian significance of oil it actually does fuel it has a direct use value onlik gold

that's not doesn't stand ard a as as hearing so whatever yeahyh

and the other thing though

i

the other thing though is that some'm getting distract but that

my

the other thing though is that

oil is also this kind of

future from a future perspective proxy of

value but it's labor value

but it's a labor value that can only be conceived from a perspective socialist political economy specifically

it's a proxy for the realisation of

and value in a social form

which is what the energy needs of the society

and what is responsible for the energy needs of the society

the living being the consumption habits

and the modes of transportation all those kinds of things

that are necessary

for people

to reproduce themselves in the society

so to me there's a significance of oil oil to me is socialist

good

yeah i know' you don't like no no no no no but ya i i wanted to ma make the uh refer to that like um

video that i know you don't like him like paul cox of it

and um i'm not dosmatic so some'm open to gt you know whate yeah so i have my certain issues with the video

um it comes from a similar very unorthodox perspective and he tries to explain what a mode of production is and he says like what this the definition that marx sist always had for like the last fking two hundred y the last five hundred years it's like

productive forces and uh

and relations of production that's basically a mode of production and they say like no that's goes way deeper than that and he brings up the issue of like electricity and steam power and all that and he calls certain um sections of marks or marks thingks that steam power is sort of like coal and steam power is like

the the the the energy of like capitalism and electricity w like the the the energy of socialism right like the electrification is swlllen and sds uh socialism is soviet uh soviets and electrification of the whole country so um

that that that's certainly um

i th i think um

but um because yeah of course like everybody having a plug in their apartment is an extreme form of socialization of production yeah that's true

but i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't call so i'm sorry you letver get me comup with some i wouldn't call i call soci listen at all but but i it but it triggers the right people you know like triggers a little bd s and i think i

i think that's a good thing

the're they're exposing themselves

well um

uh sorry

it's also interesting w't you find it's an interesting coincidence that

tour after the seventies

i

the primary

economic

force of

side the

the mainstay of the soviet union's economy was on

socialist states basically after the seventies where these kind of oil re into your states even saudi arabia

and even they nowadays they still say that the soviet union was aperialist even though all the other states were reaching off on it

yeah but the soviet union oil was the mainstay of its economy

it was a problem though because it was very crude or that was very hard to extract

like yeah but but e theyb tons of pross then also in the gulf states even saudi arabia

after the oil boom they started becoming the state planed

five they started having five year plans in adopting these features of the soldiers like the same thing was true in the shahs iran

which is an oil base

so it's an interesting at least

went to

right

the

yeah

yeah and and and yeah i i think of saudi arabia like i i think it's it's i'm not sure if i would call saudi arabia like capitalism as well like i think they're like

it's not it's not i sotials but it's like it's it's a it's a

it's not feudalism either i think you know it's like you don't really have capital operating there it's really just

the house of sord owning

oil and something it's will grow really

like and then build fancy stuff with it but it's like

it's not really any sort of like 'm c m ship you know it's more like a c m c ship like the commodity thing but that's one thing i want to just press you on and that i think i'm

done what i wanted to say is like were still like agree though

that

in terms of like you still need i if you don't like the term revolution would you would you still agree still need some sort of rupture though

like for for communist to succeed like for example if the give you like a really starking example of this structure being really visible is like japan w you have like the maji restoration right like an avent from feudalism to capitalism in a very schematic very mechanistic way um i think within a couple of years right

and could see it like visibly like the samurai going away and then you have the amp dressing like western pps all that happened over like the spa of a decade i think cost and so and so isn't that isn't not the typical example of what

like rupture and the thougts entertaining those mechanistic ietdeas about history and boxes and schemes and all that and schema would you agree that the's still going to be like you can still talk about a rupture i think that's something thats necessary for us to come to this

i don't know where the mean came from i think was from that test i never

listen my issue with

people who are obsessing over political revolution in the word revolution

it' is because i feel like they're

they're trying to create like a larp scenario like the from the movie reds in the eighty world it's all beautiful

i all i ever tried to say is that a revolution

is not this you know

there's two different ways you can think of revolution there'sn' the objective social revolution

the objective revolution in the forces of production

something i think is underway right now by the

especially cover it kind of

unleased

i think that's already haped

my focus was on the issue of the political revolution

obviously i think

proletarian dictatorship is premised by a political revolution

there's no way around it

you're not going to have a polltin dictatorship in a liberal democracy unless there is a violent seizure of state powers

got

but my issue is how people

are obsessing and getting so hung up on this world all revel

like and they're starting to kind of

to want to larp and be and overthrow the government with guns and all this dumb shit

and to me what all the ever tried to say is don't worry about the rev revolution because

it's something that happens very quickly and

by the time it happens

you're presupposing a lot of things

namely that you already have a movement in a party and

you know

and a phenomenon in reality

that's meaningful already in place i i think people are too enthusiastic about revolution

my

yeah that doesn't mean that i reject the basic idea that

yes a proletarian dictatorship

means the violent seizure of state power

and smashing of the state machinery and rebuilding it a new

i have no issue with

yeah

and and i think i think the term political revolution especially comes from like also the trotskai camp as well um the talk about the overthrow of the

c p s u leadership but um i think um

also uh

um w w ah just a possible trying to bout um

yeah yeah what what um what i think is like in state monopoly capitalism as well um you're going to have to see alliances between different classes as well like between the grouping class and like the pchi bush zzi and all that like against sort of like the monopoly bush razi because i think there's just a this calls a a difference in class dynamics iss that in like the original capitalism of the life essentially you have like

um the bush was be making up one percent of the population and then state monopoly capitalism we have like the monopoly bush was be making up like zero point zero zero zero one percent of the population it's like basically twenty guys or something sometimes

and so

they oppress like all oth the classes they oppress also like national capital sales so op press like the the petty bushe roisie and they they oll press everybody else and

if you look at our video communism stat in class

we go over how there's also there's an element overlooked by marxis in this kind of class analysis

which is that

class presupposes a ground i tried to go to zero what is class

class presupposes the ground of universal institutional equality

in the form of a citizen

this however is not a materialist view to think that this is ever permanently reconciled

so there's always a revolution

we can never speak

so easily about

instead of just creating new terms about the bluzi

why not just speak in layman's terms about the establishment

deep state on

the out which i'm talking about like because i'm not ctikuing you but i'm just saying in general

our marxist

re flexivity in the ways in which we're categorizing the world

i guess this would be a hid to garing per save this is also we should not forget

being is even primary to this

and the manner by which that reflects in reality is the fact that

i

every

marxist reflexivity must replenish itself a new in the soil of

hasn't

against the established

and within that peasant

right which is what i call it i a lot of people are mad

in that peasantry right

the distinctions proper

to boot the boz was society

bhoz was either poletaryt the middle whoz was either

all of that is being reproduced

crystallized lenin said that in the countryside

capitalism is being reproduced

always and forever and

but this cyclical reproduction of

this repetition this is again goes back to the loses idea of difference in repetitions book

this repetition from theyh from a dialectic perspective it's never actually the same

whenever something repeats

it's the essence

that's disclosed over the appearance

that's why lenin

sided with

democratic

t booz was he

over the whos was

he understood there was a

he understood that the tendencies of the bluzwap

well

middle p

i

could necessarily give rise to a different form of

class and subjectivity

than the western buz was

and it did it was ultimately the what the middle present the soviet

middle class type of citizen

yeah it did it did give rise to a new type of subject that's not

necessarily the bush was

yeah to me

um

i guess i guess my main point would be that the

kleb also talks about the distinctions in among the buzzosi

and how there's the industrial bouoisi

finance which was the

to me i think

this is still one dimensional i think we need to introduce a dimens

yeah

you know this is where the hiding

i think

and having the one dimensional view where there's just discrete classes

is still too techn

yeah well i mean just to introduce a bit more like

technicality that's probably how to trigger you i would say that class is probably i would say it's you can

subsume it as like a relation to

proe propetraria

english is not my first language like a proper try like a property relation yes to production in some sense like and not necessarily institutions because you can have like institutional racism all that doesn't mean not races across i think but the citizen what is the promin of your position i was just thking aut the citizen is an institutional

form of because the it is an institution right what i mean though to say is that this is maybe something marx didn't give oug emphasis to

even when it comes to private property

there's a difference between the subjective

form of private property

that is the

that is interprelated

by the state

legally rightw and the form of objective

private property some kind of objective discontinuity in the sphere of production

makes people

different

patriarchal

a familial communal level

yes you have to the laws i think a very important that like the legal system

but but but the problem is that private property isn't reducible to those laws so even if you abolish private property legally

the material basis of private property

is still

real

still a reality

and that's rer like that's what i think defines

the experience of socialist commodity product

stal and put it

the reason you had a continuance of socialist

commodity production

and the reason you had the

the the rise of col causes or the rise of people's communes and his duality between the central socialist

state and is decentralizing forces

that defind the commodity form in the socialistre the reason you have this

because this represents the development of the objective

private property

even though the subjective one was kind of aboll

sir

ya um

ya i i just want to like um i i think i could add something to that but i just i don't want to like um

take this take too much time

oh okay well um

well i yeah i mean i agree with you i didn't want to like contradict it i just want to add something like like but i' talked about the leagal the legal system i meant this as like some

so um i don't know if you're familiar with the german marks philosopher han science hols

no unfortun

ok

well um his um he was he was um talking about um

laws and legal systems are quite a bit and he talked about it as like sort of the mirror

of of of capitalism in a sense

um that it's not just it's not just like superstructure actually a's actually something material to to loss

um because um in the sense that that um

t

it's it's the expressionh of which private property sort of asserts itself in capitalism like for example of course you always have these like material factors like for example

uh in few dollars and you have uh some kind of

goons of of the lord that come and take your grain and then in in in capitals you have a law and the police and all that so like yeah property always exists but it it it it it does have a a different quality to it in terms of like

um like how our sort of reality and also how our consciousness forms i think

and i

and uh yeah so so yeah that there's there's a difference like the same way that private property is like a different experience in china than it is in in

you know in uh whatever western country right like um i think in in china they even um they have like these these lists of like uh killed pigs list but it is like the one hundredth richest people or something so it's like a different thing that shep wouldn't fly anywhere else you know but um yeah i i just wanta say one thing about finance capital though like um

when bn then it says like a financial bank capital and monopoly industrial capital it's merges finance capital like finance capitals not just just finance i think like it's also like it's like the merging of bank capital industrial capital in a sense

like guess financialization is some kind of

apoll

put over it's industrial auction but it's like finance capital us both

like you can make i got ca a lot of flag on lefty pole for like criticizing michael utson the economists on it because people said that i'm like some kind of

n straw manyg in but he does a lot of makes this distinction between like financial capital and and industrial capital and he sees that asimk condiction i don't see it because it's aready i agree with you i think its already urged i think that's a huge simplification the

the so called contradiction between finance and industry

and i think that more fundamental contradiction isn't between financial industrial cp because as you point out

industrial capital itself

is translated into the terms of finance cap

or ex i was that even in the twentieth century

what i think is is there is is a more fundamental distinction between

the

a democratic institution for example the state

you want

and this kind of hinterlance

this kind of the

rent the sphere of rent

there's a yh there's still some kind of distinction between

capital and landed property

when people make the distinction between industrial and

financial capital

what they really main to mean to distinguish

is

blanded property which is a proxy for the heavy industry

i

jobs

they're almost peasant like

stable and

hardcore heavy metal

toing to me

and capital

it's

i think that's a more primary distinction landed property and

capital

so i agree with that

i

but today i think that the issue today is that i think even what's called before finance capital

has somehow been assimilated into

a more fundamental

and more fundamental

mote product

that's an

even this is a kind of

he said

day

yeah like like lenin didn't think of we stut social media and uh telecombaly and ah yeah of course you can say that's s form of

i don't want to give it a name because i'm not like a great marxist theoredicion or whatever but i'm just saying like yeah its 's a new form it's not just finance eepart that's a different plt do it

but i think yeah and that's what's missing i think and that's why you keep pushing into this direction correctly because there's a lot of this like a lack of like analysis of s the combany economy from like mark perspective down more liberal analysis of that

then marxs alses even though marx should be like oh my god we need to like fking investigate this right and there's a lack

the marxist analysis that i've seen so far i'm very dissatisfied

a yeah yeah i'm dissatisfied with the book

platform i'm sick of people

one of the reasons i have the social thing i'm sick of people adding suffixes to capal

or sign up subjects

what's the word

i'm sick of people adding

words in front of adjectives in front of capital

like i'm sick yeah ok but the that's capitalism digital capitalism

feudile capitalism

neo fuueal capitalism

i just that's alls capital aso

the reason is so saying we live in socialism is just so much catharsis to me is just because i just want to say ok we just live in social

you know

to bak

but i understand how i guess you disagree with that

people do the same thing with like fascism as of wor right they call it like echo fascis land h

or whatever new fascist includ to fascistm like yeah you cannot use it but the basis of the marxist lin as asis of

of fascism which is by the way a big reason why i think marxism lenism is like the correct marxist center because i think we have to bestalysis of fascism like i think the other analysis of fascism liberals or from other tendencies the marxis tradition are really weird and don't really get the issue and i think like tm and and and that

the former

communist party great britain guy you w a book about fascism for whats name like those people provide really good

like analysis of fesssionsm i thk

oh

like wen we in germany we had a bunch of like you know like for example um

but not o pits or um

well good goswileer those guys they had amazing theori of sport fashionsm but yeah but and it's just one thing i also want to say is like

um you were correct when you said like yeah you should talk about the establishment w you talk to lot more people like that's what jimmy door does and it seem like everybody gets it what he meaans right

like everybody why did we play this game where it's like when some tking rattlups on sams to go along like well he's not talking about the bush but see i see parallels between the terminology of against establishment and what the nazi sat i'm not saying he's a nazi but that's pretty i see what even if you want to say what is idi hear in my hidi hear that's where it comes from i

i think when people critique jimmy dor from this technical analysis

they're actually taking for granted theyir metropolitan

urbanized so overly socialized and institutionalized education

trying to crucify the people

who are outside of his ball

and they're just using it's the quintessential form of opportunitiy

kind of

qo jimmy dors

from the

yeah he's like he's like he really is like a body some sort of does i right like i mean it's like because when you ask him like you're just a social democrat would say like you like i'm a pt smoking comedian like what a social democrat like it doesn't know

like completely idiotic i they're they're knocking on an open door and just categorizing him and putting him in and like that's if you see that that shortsky that shortskis h heard

that went on and and and um

felt like immediately the need to like

to like waste like es a shitty micropaty of the microparty of everybody knowls a sect and it's like super order to defind harvey weinstein because blah and and yes opportunity to really like show for his party and like promoted like a massive show and

and what he does is like he completely like fucking destroys his own opportunity there and comes over it's like and then you have the fucking libertarian guy and he's a really chill and all sort of people and and then and then people are like i wonder why the left is winning like i mean like

what an embarrassment

yeah trocy is

w is also i think my my problem that i have with like cousin adis i he really went i i don't watch him too much but he really went in the direction of like just excusing the democratic party and being one of these like joel biden

i'm not go bying people you know know like piss me off

one of the reasons i don't take it too personally th was because

he was going from the youngter

that's his own

is the owner of the

s

it's not a lot of we's noting like to be able tojust go against his uncle inside the door

yeah

but

yeah i

it is interesting how much

although not never no one really admits it i' have noticed that because

he's so huge

he gets like fifty k w

wwitch

he's really trickled down to even

all left the space

almost everyone knows who he is you know

mm

ya ya

i've never really watched that much like

yeah

anyway um i think i said what i said um do you want to like talk about laft peopole or i can give you this lafteople arc a little bit 't know because i think you just stumbled over this website and you didn't really know much about it before

sure yeah i wan don't you i

yes

that was originally founded by like a bunch of guys from the literature port for chan on like a chan

um who were like emigrating because the were like a bunch of nazis and white wingers like invading controling them so they went to create their own board left peopole and and developed and the have like really i think had a lot of like waves and and and i think um floods of like really mean ideologies like there were like a lots of shilling for pochin and lots of shilling for p tcha and all that and then eventually there was a big break

where so there was like a faction left to pole that really like fetishus fuck out of heur job and like which were jobing like fma fighters and all that and i mean fetishizing i mean like the little

uh sets you know afterxs but um like uh and uh

basically after the u s started putting more military bases there eventually some people were like oh what's going on he guys and they said like oh that's actually another cool thing and that caused a big break up because the the owner of lefty pole like storched out i't know ia supporters and they created their own board left pole and that was first split and then there was the and we had our own e cps and they like do you know the guys ex easy on like pseudonoon

who

s sex easy like he's like this this okay alright well he's like you typical anglo leftcm that's really fucking oboxious like he's actually pretty popular i think he has like five thousand k subscribers or something ah fifty thousand if like he has the huge videos where he's like

this is what socialism real really means and he talks about value being abolished

right

and um

and it's it's it's it's really like um

ya it's really because you read like one article from like a litcom

a website where it says like some fringe japanese theorist proposed something about the body form and u basically shape this entire ideology

so yeah that's really embarrassed

isn't that incredible though that

you don't even have to be educated in if you just get in front of this camera and the yeddy and you start

going in public you'll get a lot of

viewers and

you know what i mean

and like vouch for example like he is really not educated but he has a certain

you know sort of like

small cunning with him you know like he's he's he's cunning you know he knows how to like um trap people in these in these debates and all that and how to like uh appear like self assured and and really an authoritarian guy who like knows what he's talking about and it really work for him right

like it's amazing a guy who probably couldn't even find f caan argentino on a brod man pretended to be this big less leftist individual or something it was like it was like who knows like is you know when you went to school and maybe had a situation teacher asked you something oral examin you don't have no idea what the answer is but you know the word so you can sort of like string of aght together that sounds ld what's his name you

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it's it's x e

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it's easy

so

okay

he has like twenty six thousand

and he's like a left com type of guy

it's a left comment i think left people would love it if you reacked one of his videos and um

and uh and basically make fun of him because um

original

so real he hasn't a long time coming really

any block bey ond every social media

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itill happen

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yeah maybe

from there maybe ya

ok i think that's all i'm going to say really ok so we don't agree on everything we didn't agree on everything but i don't think it's still a very fruitful discussion

and i and i support your project right like i i think it's ver

appreciate you you were also great i' really appreciate you coming on

and showing the courage

comm on then

you were also very cool

all opposed i saw it for you on m pp cool

i might have just you

know like like yesterday night when i watch to stream i think a bunch of poles that was like pretty drunck in the road themse but yeah you have my respect for

especially

and i

yeah and if you want maybe down the road we can

talk about

the differences a little bit more if you want

and develop i didn't really have time to talk too much about the economic stuf it's much stuff you it it's crazyy radical

but the

appreciate didn't want to count down the the economic stuff it just like sort of hoked up really

oh yeah i understood h i understood it and also i should probably

put some stuff put my writings out on the economic stuff maybe just to be a little more

th

yeahe you like mystifying it so much that it's like the fucking economia or something

ok appreciate you so much for coming on

all right

see re man

see like bye bye

ok ginjy

now it's europe

now you can come on

and you can say what you want to say

see i only can deal with one person at a time

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i just sent him an invite

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so you're not going to believe me when i tell you that it's sixty five pounds

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so ud this is the thing

you know

i give you a shout out on my fucking sheet posting channel

yeah we appreciate it thank you so much atually no no it's not about it

uh you had a guest uh previously

that guest i really really fuck in you know admire

yeah that guy you had

uh before me

that guy is a fucking epic

poster

on on left depoor

let me give you a story

this guy

on the fon

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okay okay sorry sorry

can you heard me yea i can hear you

okay sorry so that guy you had on uh not long ago

h started a fucking thread

on the left de pole before the split

and uh the thread was called uh

red

fascism

you know

this is a

popular term

among the red beans

if you know what i mean and the

and and this guy fucking debunked

everyone who

even try to attempt

to

uh use

this s freshim theterm or anything

but anyway i see that you are already you know yawning

i'm just i it's just because i've been streaming for how long

eah i know but i'm for hours do its in four hours and nineteen minutes and i know if you said im for it's crazy n iiring

yeah i know i'm a little i'm listening i'm listening

what i'm trying to say is that you know

uh

you thought that i was going off antagonistic

in the chest s uh chest session but i'm

really wasn't trying to do so but it's just i'm talking to one person and i'm just asking like be patient you know because i'm'm very i'm

finite person

i'll have a discussion with you but

when i'm talking to someone else i can't focus on this other stuff about

you know what i mean

yeah

so what about this we don't have a debate

we don't discuss anything bush it dear

we just have a chill out session

which feel

eventually lead to you

uh leaving this uh fucking uh streaming shed

i

we're just going to chilln i'll probably invite

everyone else from infrared i haven't sent an inviote out

okay

so do you want me to be antagonistic because because i have some points that could be antagon to stick on ok in that case yeah we could we could we could do that

all right

okay

one one random thing which comes to my mind is that uh

i've seen i heard you

using this term so called p m c you know this so called professional managerial class

ok

d you did you watch our video communism stay in class by the way

yeah i di

okay

so have you actually research the origin of this term yeah yes it comes from barbara i'm

i han wriight whatever her name is

m my point wasn't being that ma come from my point was

trying to be that

how it is applied and then was it

started to being applied to new cleks and they were applying it to the soviet union i know that

exactly yeah i know that

exactly because p m c was started to being applied

to

uh socialist countries

but as a way to say that they have classes like the rest of us in the st

but ma would agree with that category

the chinese had their own pm c and they were the target of the culture revolution

so i would agree with it too

yeah i mean ok but there's a difference between class

and stratham

oh no if you watch the previous video if you want to get technical about it i do agree i agree with that a class is something internal

yes i agree there's only two classes in that

not even three ninety before there is only two classes

and everything else is a kind of straddle

a concrete manifestation of a class will always be a stratum as my

i do agree

i do agree

but

the reason i use the term p m c

is because it's just the one everyone's familiar with

i want to i talk to infrared about this

i want there to be a different

i want there to be a different

a different term

you know m

for this

because its isn't only include these institutionalized people clearly it also includes like

i used the example of the comic book artist or something you know what i mean like these people are also includes intellectual property you know

people on the internet people on you tube all those are the kinds of institutions

big tech

but

ya but r as this is the basic problem uh you are basically um

telling us that

this term is getting broader and broader

ya as you speak

yeah i mean thes

i mean where does it stop

it's nesting question it's a very interesting question

i don't

i don't i don't

where does it stop

i want to have a better word i want to have a better word that just

well

make thing be intelligible and make it click for people what kind of person this is referring

don't get me wrong

but

i one hasn't caught on yet and i haven't invented one yet

so

that's just

p m c is a good placeholder for now most people know what i mean by that they mean overly socialized overly institutionalized

i

and it's also a very simple way of pointing out the fact that not everyone is a so called worker

i'm sick of people saying google engineers are workers i'm sick of this

so that's also a simple and intuitive way to say that

just because someone doesn't own the means of production

in this official sense doesn't make them a work

they should

oh we should unionize the google engineer i don't i or the graduate students i don't you know this is why i use the word pm c

parsley we

ok so there's a political difference here what you just said is a political point which with which i perfectly agree with

but there's another point here

a you know economic point

and i think we have an economic marxist term for these people

which is

unproductive workers

you know

mark differentiated between productive workers and unproductive workers

within everyone everyone's worker of some kind

everyone's the working class

yea everyone everyone is a worker of some kind if he or he she is not a

capitalist of betty bush whatever but but who's the capitalist then there's no capitalist even s e os or workers

yeah yeah but that's a completely different point

from a marxist perspective

there's a difference between productive worker and

non productive maker i'm actually believe it or not

you call my bluff i'm not actually familiar with

all right thes no problese no problem problem so mark speaks about

the unproductive workers what is the example he gives of them

ok so you know a productive burkury someone who produces some kind of tangible commodity to me to me

yeah i understand

understand so you this sort this is how this is how marx defines the proletariat as far as i'm concerned and by the way this is not from marx marx inherits this uh distinction from i don't know

andt them speak of somebody but anyway well spacifically identifying the proletarian with it

maybe it's not unique to marx but it doesn't come from english political economy

the proletariat is it was a political distinction that came from

has never read my shutup being

it came from the

with the focus that guy

swiss guy talking about the french revolution

and that context of the revolutionary ser

so i talk about this in communism state and class

has uh

a general comment you need to fuck in this regard the fucking jet session ok

okay okay go ahead go ahead

alright alright alright

so

this is the basic distinction a productic miracle

worker creates something tangible

that is accessible in the

in current system

the market economy

this is one thing but the so called unproductive worker

is engaged in upholding the system we are in so for example

a social worker or a policeman is an unproductive worker

he' is a wage earner

like uh any other

uh protariet people

but he

doesn't actually produce

a tang you go tangible good

a nine

the productive workers do

who i don't know create fucking cans for me to eat

ah interesting okay so let's pull this up

because this is

i'm sorry i'm an idiot i forgot all this no you're not to in for example life was an unproductive work

concrasus is the writer who delivers

hack work for hisposre is a productive work

ah okay se

but

let's see emerges this is a productive labor is a quality of live which in

particular contentt with j uss

same comdy

ok i understand

by the way i actually know the text uh you are looking up

economic many scrit script

yeah

course ok here's ok ok this is coming bring stuff back to miny

refreshing my

right

to me

it sounds like

marx is using this as an example

not to identify a discrete class of cultural

but not to identify a discret class of unproductive workers if that's where

is that the you're drawing from

go go i go plead the economic manifest

it seems to me marx is using this as an example of the possibility that there are unproductive manifestations of labor

and i'm already familiar with that

you know

like it's the whole mud piere

if i'm doing some shit on my spare time and i'm not exchanging it in the on the market

this is on proroductive labor

right

so i don't see how he's identifying a class where does he identify the class of one producti workers

so the point is being that uh

an unproductive worker let's say a social worker you know who fuck in you know this mark use that example because i'm not familiar with noo i'm just giving you a contemporting example so i know what you're trying to say i know that i know i understand the point you're trying to convey yes thintion between productive

and unproductive work

but now

i'm not familiar with marks identifying a specific class of unproductive workers

because it tanslant because for example just for example

these p m c people are paid

for what they're doing they're getting a salary so they are recycling value in some kind of

large scale way

that's my view they recycle value they don't produce any they recycle

they're getting paid to do that

and it's if it's a structural i

significant phenomenon it's not like milton in paradise lass

jotting down

poetry or something in his spare time

which is the example marx was using there

we you see my problem

yeah but not some it's not some frivolous you know

thing on the side it's

integrated into what our economy fundamentally is

that's why i call a

proessional managerial class

yeah i think there are different things being confused here first of all there's this political aspect

h

about which are perfectly correct like you know

if i see a fucking tweter poster who has a liberal arts degree you know i get my knife out from my fucking pocket because i fuckh want to kll her or him i don't give a shit

because i know that that person be a be the fucking enemy but why why is their labor unproductive according to you because they're getting paid for discrete

just the're just really getting paid

for their labor

they do not produce anything

tangible w it ca callble the cult of tangibility doesn't seem to be anywhere in marks from my perspective

marx defines labor

not based on a tangible good of some kind substantial good

but based on the

a commodity

a commodity

so it's a commodity of some kind it doesn't have to be a substantial

good

my

boss agnostic i'm sorr' looking at the chat unproductive labor is still doing labor in the economy mud pies are labor

which is social

the unproductive laborers are the people who are needed

but don't produce directly

so where is that in marx is my question

ok go ahead sorry

uh i don't normey we were a uh

i was talking about why isn't it that they are

why isn't it yourductive labor because the

thing about tangibility and substantiality

yeah yeah noting

and basically you were touching on

this

very same debate with the previous guest you had on your show

this is this is a thing dud

uh

and i'm going to try to frame this

uh in the in the terms and the

i don't know understanding you had in your so called uh

uh introduction to capitoal video

you remember that one

the discussion i had with you

no no no you had a video

called the introduction to capital vers stream the stre someon to be on that level ok srere sure sre so

you and i and every listener we have on this show

have basic fucking biological needs

the eat sheet to survive

to living houses

which are built by musseles

o i don't want to go on you know this is physical shit

that's we need to survive

on the other hand

we live in a concrete society

which is i don't know capitalist or whatever

that has its ideal ideological needs

on the one hand

it has its uh

you know superstructural needs

on the other

a policeman or a social worker doesn't actually produce my fucking food to eat

my fucking bricks in my house this is and just to simplify this i know exactly what you're getting at we've discussed this distinction to

it's basically the heavy metal

part of the economy

versus intangible abstractions

and that's basically this ssion rib it andmy simple ying right

i don't know what the funck heavy metal is it means exactly what you're saying

that the heavy metal shit the miners who were actually digging shit up the builders who are creating the houses

the ones wore eating the food the bare necessities of life it but do you get this point my friend that according to marx that is the only only fucking source of value

so for instance i don't agree with that at all

i'm sorry but that is box's view i'm sorry we did but that is box's youview because wall street

there's something completely different going on you know but the my problem is that the distinction you're drawing cannot be a it's box

marx listen marx doesn't deal with this attention in coorporeal digital bullshit he doesn't deal with it

he couldn't have dealt with

sorry but bx perfectly says that the value is created by productive workers and only what he fins productive he doesn't define productivity in terms of physical tangibility

yes he does where where does he do that

dud i're going to quote mine here what ire going to have a discussion i'm just trying to be open because it seems to me like marx doesn't define he's not dogmatic about the commodity

be necessarily a tangible good the commodity form relevant to the theory of value doesn't have to be a tangible good

i mean

sorry to disappoint you but uh mark said the fucking you know

i'm not trying to say you know

uh positivist

ah

stream in his thinking but marx was perfectly clear about that we are first of all physical and biological being ok you're talking about metaphysics now

and i disagree with this interpretation of margs

i understand marx endows significance to the physical world in a specific way i'm more than familiar with that so

that's not new to me

even not that notwithstanding it's not my view

that for marks

the only type of labor

labor is defined only by one sovereign

tangible good

product

i just disagree with that you

marx says that

value what you're talking about is metaphysical it's a different discussion

no i don't think so it is masical because you're referring to marx's materialist critique of

the young gelians and all that kind of stuff right

o man wast first of all we that was the grave of marx given by angles

but what you're referring to

is that marx does gives significance to the physical world

but people mistaken that

for the anglo saxon metaphysical empirical substantiality

my problem

that's where my issue in my beef begins

um no no i think this is a completely different issue and by the way

uh there were

way you are going on this uh topic i agree with

by the way

but i think this is a completely different issue

this is an economic issue

where does bau stem from

this is the question

ok i can i can answer that question in a way i find consistent with marks

but i think it's dogmatic to say that the tangible physical commodity is the only

manifestation of

value for our

i disagree with that

i'm sorry but mars doest define it that way he defines it in terms of the commodity form

ok that's that's where labor becomes relevant

okay let's get one

it's not a minute physical gram form

would you agree that value is not being created wan exchange happens

now i would say yes but i want to think about it a little more

but yes i would say no yes

would

yah

for marshal ducht

seems it's clear it's not

and for you you know for mark okay and fory

well today it's tricky it's tricky today

i don't want to be dogmatic but in general yes

and you know another thing is that i agree with you that value is not being created by this p m c i hundred percent agree

but i'm just saying

i'm not sure

i don't agree that the reason for that is because they're not

producing the outputs of a physical tensile good

because if you know where i'm coming from with my new understanding

i my new understanding of marx

for me the living being that is the source of value today is not producing one tangible output

substantial good

and yet it is still the source of value is my problem

another issue here

is that the workers in the heavy industries

these industries are profoundly social there's

no one good that is

here's the paradox here's the problem

the goods that are

discreet sovereign

tangible goods are being produced in a

such a profoundly mass manufactured automated way

that there's no it's not clear where the individual worker begins

and the output of a good end

one worker corresponds to maybe a thousand different goods being outputed

through all these mamch you know it's like

it's not that there's a discontinuity between the individual laborer and the individual good today in a profound way i'm sorrybs a daly basis i eat bread and w we yeah but that's consumers st some this

that's go numtion side

that's at the side of consumption not the sid th about consumption it's about the basic fact that bread is being made shown bn wheres your individual labor corresponds to the individual commodity of the bread it's not there's discontinuity

bread is mass manufactured in the socialized way

and there's no way to trace that to one individual labor one individual labor does not equal

one piece of

or whatever loaf of bread whatever come

commodity that is

the commody is on i don'tlist on listen the commodity form relevance in the production of loaves of bread is not the loaf of bread itself

the loaf of bread itself is not the site at which the commodity form is being given form

to be honest with you i don'terstand

to finish my point

the second point i wanted to make

is that when it comes to these heavy industries

they're so profoundly social that you can't actually measure

the individual inputs in relationship to the outcome take a construction worker building a house

you mentioned construction as an example of this tangible shit

you can't show where the individual labor of one construction worker

is leading to the

single outcome of a house being built for example the same thing is true for mining the same thing is true for

a lot of other forms of heavy industry

so there's this profound discontinuity between the individual

labor

the labor input

the substantial labor you're talking about

and the sovereign commodity as a tangible good there's a profound discontinu you they can't be measured

ah

one to one

but isn't your basic criticism is that uh we live in a comedy produ producing society

i mean you know dalin agreed we have a socialist commody

yeah yea that's another topic but you know let' let's go back to monkey you know monkey tear shit like uh

once upon a time

our ancestors were fucking monkeys do

be all no miss

and these fucky monkeys

had to eat shit to survive

and to theproduce and and so on i mean

they basically had to transform

thefucking environment into

fucking food dude

now

is the labor theory of value

h

capable

of uh understanding this uh

basic economy thing going on if it is this listen but that's a metaphysical issue i can get into that metaphysicalo it is a metaphysical issue i because you do you're dealing with the question of what is mankind's relationship to nature and to its own subsistence

physicbal substance

that's what you're saying right

what in the ma kinds relationship to nature and its own physical subsistence

margre is a specific view of that

i can speak about that

but

to me

there's no need to talk about biology or monkeys or anything like that and we're talking about monxs theory of value

but we didn't get into the philosophical foundations or i should say the

anti philosophic

foundation

that gives rise to mar

re evalu i'm more than happy to get in

but

i don't agree with this substantial

e i define what you're saying as peak substantial

monkeys

okay quick question specific and wit in time

you know shion defy am i

so am i allowed to smoke a cigarette on your show or get demotized or whatever i don't know

ok okk

so dude and this this one thing

about me you may not know

dude i literally i literally have

a fucking philosophy diploma okay

no i'm not doubting it i'm not doubting no no no i'm just saying i'm just saying this

so when you talk about ontology metaphysics episology you know what i'm talking about know

i know you know about the conom and i'm not trying to throw words at you that you don't understand im at because i know you unders

m

corright

still

my dearest co

i come from this fucking background and still

i basically aband abandoned it

you know i come from a philosophical background

and i moved on to

fucking learning about the so called ambisist shit

you know this

economic marxism if you want to call it

and it's

fucking different

i know

i know

that you're enthusiastic about nick land and i know why

he's a cool guy

he has the fucking energy you have

house

yeah

but that thatts fucking the you know

uh okay if we

if we had a successful revolution right now

h

what will be the next step you know fucking

do something with the economy you knowy thin

i do what you're saying but i'm not

i'm not even there i'm not even caring about

what happens if we have a revolution i'm carrying

what is going to happen now

in america i live in america

what is going to happen now with this jimmy dorstuff

in the split with

demo

party i'm not thinking of

don't worry about the revolution

ok okay you know i was talking in the p hypothetical and connect

of course

but still do it

as somebody who's into philosophy

which is very good

what the fock happens after the revolution in economic terms don't

ohuh

we i mean that's not

some something foreign

was

not for

i get what you're trying to say i'm trying to

look past the supervise

and and

get you in good faith which you're basically trying to say is

you need to have some concrete relationship

to the

right that's ba would

yup okay ya

to us

ah

to us

the fundamental material transformation

forces of product

our primary

we don't initiate

so revolution

is only the site

scarf you want to super someun i don't like

hardest thing

basis ofbstructure but it's a simplification

it's something that's happening at the side of the superstructure to align

freedom with necessity with this

thing that's happening in the forces of brouck

a revolution names

and gives meaning

some new way

so

it's not that after the revolution you do something specific but it's only that

perceive

what is in a sense already the objectve

a tendency

forces a pro

so i guess that's why i call try to call my aesthetic orientation new of

to

because even though i'm moving away

from

anglo saxon metaphysical substance

i want to arrive at a new object

beyond some

material objectivity

irreducible to a ready made

su

and this does draw from la con's idea

example the non

the n

dude you know the time of lekinian asphole like yourself so you're trying to you know sweet but that was my question my friend

my question was

that to me that means that masy means that the object i'm speaking of isn't a discreet

substance out there

the object is the reconciliation of it all

in a sense

of a specific poliicy a specific historical epple or a specific

civilization whatever you want

that is the object object is the point of reconciliation

all it is

it

but at the same time it is

outside of

not

makes

it's not a new the substance of

yeah dude this okay let's let's say that i have two brains okay i have a philosophical brain

and i i think this is in in philosophy i'm against philosoh oh okay but let me finish my p let's state that i have a philosophic complaint

and i have a realistic praan ok

so called

fucking anglo and piss brain

so my philosophical blain

perfectly understand

every every one of your points

but my you know

this skeptical one to answers you a single question

uh economically

what

happens after this so called successful revolution

you're making it seem like what you mean what do i want to initiate or what do i

fortel will

no no no no no

and what do you

how should i say

i mean

for fox is dod

we are all communists here

you do want to have a successful evolution i mean what comani is that mean what does that mean i don't even know what that means what you mean by the

if you want to ask

where's where what do you have to show for this abstract position i would show you infrared infrared is it this is what we're doing

but i'm not thinking in your terms i'm not thinking of oh we're going to have a successful revolution and then everything will be good

i think this is a volunteeristic way of thinking

i'm no iarned

what i'm concerned with as far as infrared is concerned and stuff

is establishing a definite stance in relation to being

where that takes us

i'm open to wherever that takes us

ll right whatever that initiates

my point being is that

ya i actually disagree with that uh

i don't want to quote the stonean but anyway you know that point that after the revolution everything be be good no i'm saying i'm saying i'm not exactly no sorry im so i practicing sat the exact fucking opposite

after the revolution everything be a b she in the sense of your saying it i don't believe in a revolution in the sense of your saying

it's not the

practical it's not the object of infrareds

a practical

intervention in reality is

okay the why is it nothing

why is it not

because because the main thing is about establishing a definite stance toward what

is

the revolution will follow from

in my view

this is w me personally am profoundly influenced by for example the iranian revolution

it's not a volunteeristic oh we're going to initiate a revolution it's

we're going to plant some feet in some ground

and stand in one place

and establish a stance in relation to being

and then the world around us crumbles in a sand

then

getting into the habit of political revolution getting into the habit of

fighting authority whatever you want to call that

that will come naturally it's almost like this kind of buddhist

the the jesus talks about the buddhist martial merit whatever we called

military ideas of

you're just a sword swinging through the void

you're aulternately nothing you're doing you're fighting in combat you're shooting you doing all this kind of shit

but ultimately it's the same exact

youd i don't know i'm saying from this

ya i do

but i really like the fact that you brought up jijaq

because you jack has thisse fucking point over and over again the morning after i not exactly exactly

yeah i know

because as fucking communists

we have some kind of responsibility you know sorry let me finish let me finish the

you know

we as communist fucking you know

propagate

a revolution we propagate for some kind of radical change in the system and that's all right and that's all good and i fucking for it

that's a political point

but here's the thing

how do we focking

change this economic system in real time disagree with two things i disagree with this notion of communist

and i disagree that the rule of communist is to change anything

i'm an acceleration

to me if you understand if you have a correct

i feel like you're taking for granted what our system is

maybe it's wrong to even call it a system

what you're describing as the object

system

right

a system

what you're describing as a system

is a is a is what battai calls a bleeding wound

an animal with a bleeding wound it's spiraling out of control and becoming something else as we speak

the problem is not what's happening in material being in the economy

the problem is our subjective

mediation of

this is what i think is the significance of

idi garan turn or the iranian turn it's this

why the iranian why

is islamists

did have a kind of a

literary upper hand over marxis when they were saying

now is the time of a spiritual turn

in a sense they were right

i concede

to some extent that they were right

i

the thing in the forces of production is already happening it's not up to us

to build a new economic sysm

you know

it's only up to us to discern correctly

what that

object

really actually is

and i think we can't take that granted

i think when we

try to establish what it is what is the object in the first place

we will arrive at a new insult

insight that does contradict

the establishment

and the ruling

order

the ruling order

must establish this reflection in relation

are

the ruling order has to

define what it itself is

and can't take it for granted

that's where

i'm coming

i don't know why wy

it's it we're not some kind of romantic voluntary you know trotsky is dog let's go march in the streets

and let's get everyone to do we i've argued against direct action multiple times i said it's stupid

yeah i know i know'm not one of that's a different point

that's a different point thoug ok i know that you are familiar at least in this name recognition level the paol cockshot

i know you are

and mind you i have my own criticism with that dude

alright so

you are perfectly right to point out that po st has fucking anglo nws

but in any case

any case dude

h

that

at least that guy can

to give us some kinds of points after

the communis takeover the whatever you want to call it y you know

and has has

just let me let me give you his broad

the roadmap

so called after the nvolution ok so first point

according to cckshot

after the revolution

uh we have a

a socialist

a market economy

where in we basically call open a ties you know into cop cooperatives

uh i don't know uh

any kind of means of production that employs under twenty people

and we fucking nationalized every fucking industry that is above i don't know fifty hundred whatever people

y that's that's his first point

second point

we need to develop

a fucking

cybernetic system as you know

uh which would

as according to marx's

critic of what a program

uh

move beyond the fucking money form

and would initiate an economy that is based on

you know

mm labour voucher

uh sid i don't have to

i'm somewhat familiar with

ok ok so so this is the threing

i just uh laid down for you the basic vision

of the what happens after the evolution in economic terms

for you i would say is you

and that the revolution in that ss do dud i mean was marx himself a utopian in the criticque of what a program

no because marx marx

it's there's a reason why it was a critique of the god

most of what marx was saying in the gotha program was saying

guys this is a shitty program

rework it he wasn't saying

we need to

listen there's a really smart comment i'm seeing in the chat ijus want to repeat what they're saying and i don't want to take them because it's their thing the she tes no plan survives contact

battle

i believe in that so

so much

i mean

what cokshot is talking about is a vacuum sealed

abstract

for him revolution is just some kind of

threshold beyond which

we will be in zero and we can implement this

will have the necessary vacuum

to implement this abstract

i don't view it that way i think

first thing we have to do is throw ourselves into the battlefield

worry about the future later because

our plan and our

relationship to reality will be

replenished and invigorated

by some type of

definite

contact

dialogue

initiation of a

of a dialectic

tween for example

the

partisans

idiologes and the people

and the people

for example

the most primordial type of

it it's the true though for even though let's just say because i was at the gym the is the same for the going to the gym you can have a plan all you want but we want to do witht the gym

the first thing you have to do is you have to throw youself in there your form is going to be bad at first

you're going to suck it doing it at first

you're not going to know you're doing at first

but you got to get a feew of it first

and then you can you'll improve in

you knowm saying what this

yeah i on h percent

uh on the same page as you are

uhhh

one thing though

uh you know

if we look at actual successful revolutions such as the nine hundred seventeen revolution russia

you know

from marxis point of view that would have been an anomoy

i mean it was some

a nine hundred seventeen evolution successful evolution in russia was we i think marx himself

knew that he was stumbled he was stumbling into a great chain of anomalies even when marx was

representing the russians at the one of the congresses of the

the

international workingmens association

marx himself wrote he said

what an irony it is

that i would find myself representing the russian side

yeah

fate takes you in all sorts of

in ways what

so i don't think marxs would be

humiliated by

no no no i'm not saying he would be youman i think it's knocking on an open door base

i mean i think it's commonly understood and accepted that marx predicted if you can use that term

that revolutions would happen in the most developed

the capitalist countries and it turned out and you know lett me perfectly explain this

that

that wasn't the case

because you know imperialism because wen of puy ptut fair i think marx and angeles knew this themselves later on ok's ok but but here's the thing to return to marx

and to his uh critic of kota uh program

's a thing

what is britaen in the critic co quota program

you couldn't have applied it one to one

in nine hundred seventeen russia why should let in and so on knew it you know

so when you say that you know we don't

need to have this kind of uh problematic uh

a view about the forced revolution whatever i don't degree d it

because

i'm not saying i give you this example about cockshots

i give you an example of upshot

for this you know developed

capitalist economy

but i i one hundred percent i one hundred percent believe

the cock shot himself

uh would propose a completely different uh

model of transitioning

let's say

inside fuck in nigeria you know somewhere in africa because objectively

thiss fkly different

economy

yeah you know what i'm saying

so

i don't know

h i think that it's okay so this is a mild mild mid criticism of your side su of of you guys while i

you know i give you give you a shut out and you know we appreciate

yeaheak

so you know

fucking work on the

but this is your

but who are we to do that

who are we to do that because i'll give you an example

i mean you yourself marx was in a real movement

got the program was the program yh something real intangible

in their right is just the media and

we're not an organization and half of us don't even live in america

and that those of us who do live in america we don't even live in the same states as each other right

so it's like

you know

who are we to create a plan we want to create a dialogue interaction with something real and then we worry about

a plan later but if you want

where we am i coming from

from a utopian

maybe it's nice to have

a utopian

rejection of some kind just to

i'm interested what fascinates me and interests me

as far as this utopian stuff is concerned

is that i'm almost a conservative

to me

a

to me

o

i was waing

to me

the we have to rethink how it is that the state

intervenes into the economy in order to establish

ends established by

the one to one input of

the twentieth century state socialist planning i think belongs to the american

at

i think there must be acknowledged

discontinuity between us auppere

want to plan some

somewhere along the way

this planning we reach a discontinuity

well we realize

we cannot plan

the premises

ah

that

are the conditions are y of our varyability to plan in the first

you know what i mean by this or should i leverage

no i understand i understand we have conditions of existence

that are

primary and antestedent to us

which were already thrown in

and ws

we cannot actually itself plan for

this primeordial discontinuity

is the very much discontinuity of materialism bas

it's what is material

are these conditions

that we are

thrust it into

for which we cannot

plan

cannot premise by means of a plan

ookay house

we cann i have an ideal and then in

just yeah in reality yeah dude i know youre pretty

of ideas ideals

your critique of utopianism etce of course i agree i'm a fucking batist of course i agree but everybody really would agree but this is a thing dude

uh you know

from a

yeah

you know everyday point of view

what are fucking communists

let me give you a fucking ex uh a metaphor if you will

uh you know

for an ordinary person

communists

are sitting

let's see

you know we're in a car

there's a driver

there's somebody somebody somebody there are four four places

and you know the communists is saying that

this fucking wheel should be given to me

i want the fucking veal veal

and everything be the better for you your fucking worker all right

but what happens when you get the wheel

but i don't a do it this is the communist subjectivity i don't agree this is what communist i'm talking about subjectivity i don't don't confuse the

the

the academic phrases i

i'm i know the simplicity of the point you're trying to make

i don't agree that a communist is one who says

worker give me the wheel and i'll make your life better i don't agree with that

to me to me this is not a communist

position the d comass position but basing that in't position of like a snake oil sales

you know has i din't be fucking doing this though i dot so we never did this we never actually said to the verkers that

give us a chance and give we

wal wal make your life better

no i think what happened in the october revolution is that

lenon said peace lenon bred

we'll be in the weur in you presence you can have a will wait

he said you presens you'll have the land and we'll leave you alone you'll have your own land

he didn't say were we're from a state central authority

we're just going to make it all better for you

i'm sorry but beast bread and land was a fucking positive program it was it was it was but at the same time it was also a negative one it was at the same time a strange res trou it was a stranging presence

from authority and a it was it was a mutual trust

peasants

we respect that we're different from you

the state is not going to take care of all your problems

we'll give we'll watch the skies and you watch the nighborhood

you ever heard that mean

that's what they were saying

you'll watch the skies and you watch the neighborhood that's only reason communist ever gets a power

they get to power

because they make a deal with the people they say the people

we'll let you have yours

and we'll watch the skies but they never say

we're just going to take care of it for you that's what a snake wil saells

yeah but after you make your deal with the people and after theresus then after theuse what comes after death but then then then what happened in russia for example was that i don't what that but the a stuw you don't have you know but i by the way i would explain it is that instead of the state

just swallowing up these presents which is how a lot of people would interpret it

actually something much more profound happened

the dialectic the difference between the skies in the neighborhood

was developed to an even further degree

and this distinction in the form of the

property ownership

coll caoses versus the state

enterprises which is a fundamental distinction it's the very distinction

that gives rise to the commodity form under socials

moarning

follen

thatres the result

so there was something that followed this

but it was a mutual interaction between

the reflexive head in the body the body in the head

must undergo a constant dialectue

the head

cannot propose the end goal and say the body you must follow

you must have a dialect

that's the experience of communism

ok hos i'm going to be completely honest with you you know you have this criticism of left the pll posters that basically the you know closeted left coms

ow my comrades

at this point i'm thinking that

you are coming off

as a left com at least from my perspective because

because you refuse to say anything positive

about the post

revolutionary economy

all right

that is all but but but in the sense to me i'm not i don't i'm saying but here's the we mean a left com

a left comm will refuse to say any

positive and then assert that there is nothing positive there's only something negative

i'm saying there is something positive happening in reality i always i'm humble i'm saying learn from china al right i'm saying in reality

especially led by china there's a revolution in the forces of production already happening

i'm not a technical specialist

i'm not i'm not a manager of scale of these

gigantic

corporations and enterprise all of those people are probably going to have to be brought in

and drawn in

after a revolution like you're saying

i'm not going to be able to envision everything

sratch

i do believe life will go on i do believe there will be a positive reality that will succeed

a political revolution

all it

s i fundamentally believe

just because i'm not proposing what it will be in my head

doesn't mean i don't

i'm not acknowledging

that

i'm not i'm saying that there will be nothing i think the very problem with the west let me get into the anti western rand

is this

inability that's asmack go on with your empty it's inability to

distinguish the subjective mediation of reality with reality itself

if

we don't if i'm not proposing a positive program in the future

it's like then there will be no

no positive program no there will be there will be a positive outcome there will be a positive reality

the sun will rise again in the morning

and after long after i'm dead this process will be

inuor

it'll be a continuation of

process

course

but

the head does not premise the body is all i'm trying to say

but you know you have tlectic between both

but you are being a pretty marxist right now

because if you say that yeah because if you say that you know the sun we arise etc who gives this fucking sheet about the sun it's a fucking given du

we're talking aboutings social relations and fucking it gota

yeah this is you know the sun has a cultural literary and yy do as an inex of all those blow fucking smoke up my i know i know i know but i'm saying when i'm saying the sun will rise i'm saying all of those social

relation this

this is why i speak of new objectivity to me

and this is why i'm somewhat sympathetic to acceleration

my

problems not the sending

to me

there new objectivity means the fundamental motive

history

the unfolding of history in the unfolding of civilization and the element of mankind

is something objective just like the sun rising in the morning

and our subjective mediation

of this

is secondary

not prime

even though that you have a dialect

relation

at no point

does our subjective mediation

premise the reality itself in a sense i am kind of an acceleration

something is moving in a certain direction

and all we can do is mediate this

objectively

what i would disagree about the sixcelerations is that they underestimate

to what extent

i

that

they are confusing themselves confusing the subject

for the objective there is a decisive point in which

the freed the dialectic go freedom and necessity

calls upon us to

fully exhaust the extent of our subjective reflexive

mediation

and you have to exhaust

in order to know your limits and know precisely where you cannot

so i understand that

sudd

can you hear me yeah

that

yeah

sorry about that uh

a house

's a thing ok ive give you a gamble

you know that i fucking love your channel no i don't know a given all this stuff is a given

there's no hostility at all

yeah

dude

read cockshots towards a new socialism book

it's not so long it's like two hundred and whatever pages

please do do it

you don't know if there's a utopian i like more than cox

receiving money to

i like frederick jameson's universal arm

i like that

i' read that fucking book i like that i like that bre i like this idea of the of

coud be

the universe that this is the most highest

form of coordinateing

individuals and bodies

and i find and that's where we kind of stumbled upon the e f

economic freedom

so if i need a utopian i think i would

for jameson's universal

but think

i as i said i've read that the bookh this is you know the end time

as finding out so i'm finding out that you've read the books i've read

which is fucking great

ya

anyway

uh james's uh book is not an

economics book ok

the corck shots is

now you can have all your fucking you know aversions towards that you can call it whatever utopian whatever do just fucking read that fucking book called

towards a new socialism

i'm begging you

as your fan a i can i can check it out but i

no no no stuppus shing me stop pushing me don't check it out

either

either read it

or stop bush iting you know read it or don't read it that's it

okay

it has

this has been a pretty great time i think you know you need your sleep i need my fucking what caus so you know

let's send this

think i'll on maybe for

thirty more minutes

as as you wish uh i fuking laviyo content i fuking laviyo channel

shadow to fuck in has shadow to fuck inf that you're doing great work ok my comrades

appreciate

you so much

and i love this conversation

absolute

don't get me wrong i love talk

i love it

because we disagree about stuff but it's so stimulating on both of our ends you know

it's con

i absolutely love talk

so appreciate

lasa commint

yeah a lot lots of

wow would it would it

an awesome guy

that was really cool

a i'm going to send out a link to

our

okay

yup

oh man

o

yeah dude

ginj is based i love that conversation i want to have more conversations like that you know

he' he's he's

he is actually is knowledgeable guy

and at no point did he fuck and just say oh you're meaningless you know

even if he disagrees with me

he never see that's a difference you can disagree with me

but just don't call me meaningless don't just say what i'm saying is schizo meaninglessness you know

that's good faith engagement an example of good faith engagement

oh my god we got a

full waiting room

what's up as ro

what up henry

what's up guys

that's good faith engage alone

one second i'm going to go make a protein shake why don't you guys

over from here ok guy

egan

t's see please almost all just leave after hause is gone right now

uh i

google engineers are lump in

in' know

yeah i don't know if i would call google engineers lump and pro terria doesn't really seem to be the connotation that usually goes along with lup and proteria

you know aren't they kining of

like to use the li a phrase more p m c

a arctic

m

are we in bourgeois

uh socialism

oh yeah i guess the subjective character of our socialistic society you could call bugois you know i don't i don't know if there's really a name for it

um

but

yeah youy have this definitelys a bu character a very corporate character and

you know even kind of even want to use like more

ah politically charged terms and boug almost like a

conspiratorial forms like you know this kind of a there's an eliage class that rules that

that's a joke

no um

it's interesting because

b sing gog

uh bos haas and uh whats his nam ging ging thu grees or something gings

um mentioned them the toga bowls

the economic durs the political

i think with a p m c cost

here's some

every day you know especially in the united states blling elsewhere twitt call the blue checks and when rights wing populistic politician when they refers to you know those people a the les at the mediagors there's a distinct

entity of peop the stradle of people

yea um

this is not i don't think you can reduce them to

any of the old the classico

marxist strata someone compaed them to guild masters on

i think that it does have some that character but gild master was also more ambiguous because he historically gild master also had

very very revolutionary

revolutionary elements in them eighthundd forty eight and others

main gorilla baks

worries

this is a cultural label

um but again as

we are seen fore one of our focus is on

trying to

affirm there is a connection between culture

and the ch object of materi reality itself is not the same thing but they are

you cannot understand

reality without culture because

in our in

in we lbor laborsm more you know or cultural revolution video but it's basically that logic

yeah i think i think it is kind of hard to pin down uh what the c m c is using past examples because it does seem like a um

at least in some ways to be unique to our era

um

and like it has a lot like you said a lot of cultural connotations of

you know it's it's almost like um

there or the least there's this aspect of the p m c that is almost like it kind of like digital cultural class

or strata

yeah i mean

like i said o we want to better word for the p m c we don't have

the best word wad

pm c i have not

to conten

that

ya and then there is a real and so is consultation with us

yeah i mean

it's also because

we're alwos dealing with a post p m c nots a be more flowery

it's almost a given in the society you cannot just

you know like what i mean by that is that

he

hardcore manager of the soviet era who's actually like

ah

so high energy and actually has skin in the game and all that kind of stuff

it's not so much that this is the class we're dealing with

as much as we're dealing with the class feeding off of

fruits of that classes work

in the twentieth cent

if that makes sense they're feeding off the institutions built by those

yes

yes even in universities you have

even on on a intellectual level you have you can almost think of all thing in an intellectual level abstract level you think

people built up the university institutions right all

uh the relevancy of people within the university has always been

leaching ofll that

legacy by even just by through criticism and negation they stay relevant in that way

yeah i mean it's a it's a

perfect one is that

how mediocre

the fuckt

academics themselves are

compared to the you know

primorial

thinker of the university in

twenty twentieth century

but even then they are int but it

we're not going to i don't think it's going to that what how long you guys want to go

i think we're going to

maybe with another thirty

uh right now

that sounds good sounds good ivetuly

oh hey alex

s

so thirty minutes is good

you want to talk a lttle just casually talk abats

some of the stuff going on

yeah let's do that let's talk about

guys we by the way guys

five hundred subs

it's crazy peaked seventy viewers

fo comes

yes i was in spain

ya someone just pointed out someone has almost

ninety five or a hundred k viewers uh subscribers

and they are doing alive right now and they have current i think last time i checked five minutes ago they have less

people watchingm right now thean us

even though we only have five hund they have a on hundred k and not thing too is i think our thumbnail is so just clickable

f you just look at this thumb nail it's so clickable you know i love workk

thumder

hoses responsible for

yeah that all i did was find an art station that

that thing and then i put the infrared logo on it's a good second

sad

but i think it was it was such a good choice

yeah yeah that whole like group of pictures uh they're really i i like them a lot

they're so good

yeah we're going to get everything from our state

it's only up for infrad exactly we're only going up man

it's only a

all that the guys

i can't believe we have

people haters

shamelessly open hater

and you believe that

uh racst people right

no no not just that

we have haters that are admitting that as infrared is rising

and we have this tremendous success

that they're just being bought her

is that such a pathetic position to be inb en't that big right now

realrising i think we're rising really

yeah that's yeah yeah it

yeah

poor has here what u por hey

so

well he's not here

he's going to be here

what

wonder if i can make the view a little bit

i feel like in terms of engagement we're probably even bigger than it feels like caause like this level of engagement is uh

it's kind of insane you know if you think about it

our chat activity is insane

yeah crazy to see

we're like my state of hypergrowth

you know like we haven't we just like

we have like so much latent energy that just

waiting to expand you know

yeah yeah

oh man

i'm de we're definitely not stcreaming tomorrow okay tomorrow what's up por hey what is it

it's definitely definitely not going to be streaming tomorrow by the way henry that's your smoke alarm it's not even mine i just real oh yeah that is ok yeah yeah but i was looking all over my f apart in this is a stream and it went away and i was like what happened is all right all right teecting the stream

but the thing is this i like i've had that

noise for so long that i forgot it was here sol you guys brought it up

you know you get used to something you you know what i mean i di i kind of forgot about it uh

for for a while and so you guys brought it up

i

given that we can't individually make anything happen

what you suggest we do as communists we've got this question before

i think don't take for granted

being a conservative

be a conservative just don't take

h the baseline for granted and you'll end up a revolution

what i would say

be a normal human being

but

really stick to

you'll see

i do'ts insufficient

and

being a model

human being

's more important for being a communist

than mediating it

through a group right

i think that's a good smoking hot takes broke the alarm a foot light for he war

we actually started a reading group with you to media

was on infer it

nice

nice

nice

hell

i just want to dress one thing that i forgot

think it was in the chat and youys are talking about abstract labor or something

wll i was talking

guys i know what abstractly

o

it's not

yeah i was watching that i was like you're goinga you're going to humut you answer that stuff about marxism

he's familiar with all that stuff

yeah

the whole point about the discontinuity between individual input

the commodity output i know there are such thing as abstract labor

besides the point

sorry there's but go ahead theres

mmhmm

no i'm do i'm not doraaling that any further it's like

all i want to s

fs right if you want to talk about the

the the the the that article that came out in the times about the the rigging one yeah yeah

um at

ask can you

you want to bring this uplobers um

i don't have the one one on it informed i just was informed that

it came out somehow that the democrats admitted they were rigging they rigged the election

okay

i don't know

i mean i think it it's

it's just this article from time magazine um

let's see if i can ya put it in the discord and i'll

or screen share actually actually screen share

might be better

okay let me just go find this real quick um

yeah just screen share

so

um

feel like the democrats always do this they like they hardcore like make you think you're crazy for thinking something and then they haved made it like like a couple months later

on the host disabled me from screenshirting so i can't do it that's right the chad loves you

so many people i don't know why i i feel like it's completely unjustified um

no so basically i can read the hotline i mean

people can look you up google is is themselves t a time it's called

the secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the twenty twenty election

i mean it's in the title it's literally says

there's a secrets shadow campaign has saved the twenty twenty election theyre not even a soubtle bald

and i think there's a about it it's a pretty fucking long

articles um

i haven't even read most of it on read the intro

i think um

are you not able to share it

enable itunable i'm go i'm going to shore after you return i

i think it's a samsung

just one particular

let's see if we have fun party tour

um

sentence or paragraph

oh ya ya ya um

i think ust this paragraph um

third of

i don't know it's a lot being that's why the participants on the secrets history of the twenty twenty election told

even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream

a well funded kabol of powerful people

ranging across industry and ideologies working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions change rules and laws steer media coverage and control the fall of information

they were not wrigking the actions

they were fortifying it's

and they believe the public needs to understand the system's fragility in order to ensure that democracy in america endures so basically it administers literally a cabal of powerful people that change rules laws media

controlling informations influenced perception

to for diify democracy like i mean it

uh we know um i hope people in the chats are are not really supplied suppri

surprised by this happening

but is this a little bit surprising to see

i'm surprised they're admitting it like that's openly it's like they're saying the illuminati you withu you here to protect your kids

yeah the they did the same thing with the irawa election though they like get slit everyone about it for a few months and then later on they just admitt it to like yeah we rigged the iraw election and now they're did

they're doing it so soon too because it was even that long ago that you know we had the inauguration stuff

wen one thing that does worry me is that will infrared be banned

because i really we're really kind of poking the bear and i'm talking about the youtube

the silicon valley bear you know

like our whole existence is just

triggering these nerds working at you tube and they're going to see us one day today and of and also anour thing about so

google

employeeus workers and you know the story of um the google employees forming a union right and it's not even

base level programmers these are

software engineer that earn like um

know like two hundred k or something um

yeah

yes

not two hundred hey but like twenty at least twenty g a month but's it excuse me it twenty hund k

but

theday

they don't you doll form a union because i mean you're pretty wa off as a so high level software engineer toy formed a unit for purely conscientious purposes

they are one of the driving force for all the internet censorship against so called fake news dis information etc

we may fissles on youtube software engineer if we keep saying this i should probably show of howre just going to add like a little bit to it like we their motto like don't be evil or some the's something very basic like that

like youah don't be evil or be good or something like that yeah to say our mod union model or the google models don't be evil like

the very meaningful statement is a really

a religion of ai

people working for it

are motivated by this

religion of

fucking realizing some ai that's going to

change the world these are weird people

has i think i need permission to share my screens i can just share the article

all interview all purchasess you should be able to do

it appears up to your northal moya hask a question for me

so

yes sure sure

so well i let me response

what

h as far as i am seening at the situationing

in mexico

um i don't think that for the time being there was there's a possibility of ah

i cope get that or

mm

or ah

or that the right has the strength

what do you remember the manifestations that did that recently did friena uh they were uh

they were embarrassment so i don't really think that for the moment

and there's that kind of festay

of possibility of the ratid blocking onlaw the problem the problem that i felt terribly about the situation of mexico is is if if they thistk for transformation of this estate

progression that is giving armlog is in

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are we all seeing the article or'll i what i see is this this phrase that says in a way trump was right i don't feel like a cake gt more clear than that

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they're doing it only after bit and one

what have

rich

yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's so open of all it's like

do als a conspiracy unfolding behind the scene like

um

yeah it's is really striking

see that's what like you have like half of the

leftists

basically repeating the centric discourse you know

n

there's all kinds of

missing formation and distan forormation the people spread a go against the establishment

and you shaw all reports

those cohuld do even if they are your i don't know

your father or your son like

here's a lot of that

there was a lot of that going on the social media like right after you know the january thing was so much of that

you know when i went to school

my teachers would say communism wouldn't work because it can't force people to happiness

and that's exactly what the democrats are doing right now

but

they are telling you what's good for you

they are openly admitting yeah rereected but it's only for your good

but enifer give us a rundown of what

that was because

i s i saw that would that too and uh

or do you do want to gover the article or sorry i don't want

i don't want to cut into that

sh she brought up la response to chomki on zero books y zero

i saw like a few seconds of the video but i didn't watch all of that you saw that a the beginning

did you guys want to go through the article i didn't mean to do real

im

i think i i i think we get the idea i

i read a

i read a particular egregious paragraph that says

literally sys we rigged the election dir they used the word cupall

like a couple the people to who um

se

to control the flow of information change rules

but at the end this is this is an all rigging election

this is fortifying democracy

do it

i mean we don't they're doing our job for us they're going to put us oute of a fucking job

oh

conspiracy theorists conspiracy fact that this pent true

very true yes it seems like every conspiracy theory for one i was like ten years old is like nuw now just like openly talked about

by you know big big media now

inerret vision back then when you were at ten

yeah

it's time for your

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i want to show you what it's like to be

in america

ready

this is what it's like if you're leftist in the usa this is what it's like so all they're just basically admitting it

and you know who we are

where i'm not me but like the left in general

because we don't want to be like this right

the left unfortunately is like this

this is whathe we are

this guy

oh

right

we rid the election

completely are out of the open and we rig the whole fucking thing and it's all caball and we did it's a fortified democracy and there's no your vote doesn't matter and it's all meaning

and there's a

all right

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sorry you guys can't see

it just it just came up on our screens

you know

almost makes alex jones not sound that crazy i know do

great composerly i listen to one of your songs on your channel dude i actually liked it and i had on loo

i did to you had the same one on look

i think yeah i think i listen to that same one as well ik i look in to some other stuff as well but it yeah yeah i listen to that same one like quite a few times it was good it was good i just like to do that like it a lot

you're really good at what you do

the channels crazy i don't i don't know how you found us

incredible i also saw that you got added to the closet nleuseable list sorry about that and

i knows because of your association with us which one it was the one called

it was the one called the

the living tombstone it's been so long remixes

the it's been so long remakes i had it on loop and i was just like reading something

i was reading something with it on the

because it was it was just

by

which alexon's interview you goans rey would i've already watched it

i think i've seen like multiple alex jones interviews on uh joe rogan

there he kind of goes off there easially goes off the the rails after a little bit you know

yeah i mean

he seems a bit desperate at this point and kind of feel bad for

what about the transpobic

the old

it's probably because i don't know the

is he transformed

we why would he be transforbed with what is this problem i think on

when it comes to sports and all the controversy about trends

uh trans women's participation suppose ya

i see

yeah joe rogan i don't know

i

i a question why does there seem to be so many american anarchists

jennifer whenever you see that circle a

think of america

the same thing because it's individual ism

and it's psychosis

it's like an american doomsday call

it's this pure individualism petty boogeoi individualism

combined with

ultra liberal radicalism unique to america i don't want to call radicalisms unc

liberal

fanatic

psychosis

and yeah it's like it's like being a democrat

but more extreme

it's like a a

it's like a

what are the different types of zombies and like left for dead and shit

is like a hierarchy some of our more intense and crazy

some of our normal

anarchists are like the more intense crazy version of a liberal

american libing

didn't the currents type of enarchiest originates in frans from france right yeahyeah sixty eight cents anarchiest used to mean something so much different in the nineteenth century

and lminated in spain i guess

it used to mean the opposite then that it does now anarchy actually used to mean

commute this type of

this type of relation to the kind of irrational on caalculable

indescribable sublime

of the real

and now anarchism is the exact opposite of that

it's the destructive force of

pahing

or associated with this at least

on

joe roben needs to have gja ca

as off he

he

m

i am worried about esic's getting kind of old you know

did he give any good interview recently

yeah with douglas lane about chomsky you were talking a lot in that shat

but i dodn't see

yeah in't watched yet either i just kind of like you know checked out the first minute of it but i didn't i didn't really get to the chomsky stuff

and they got

i don't like listening to music that long because

i think my thoughts become his voice i start to think in his ws you knowan by that

i don't like that

you that's for most people i'm readinggin to gin want yees sure elaborate if you want

i prefer not to do re doorybt youally you can you can

point

exper

maybe the's g i can talk to you all someday

you know we've talked about this and i was like

what would we be even talk about we

i think i want to get into an i want to get into an argument with him i'm this young energetic guy and he's kind of old so wt to be fair

but i would argue with i had a mind but it be a fun argument it be like

it'd be like a really interesting conversation we'd have

i feel like you a pretty high energy too because you know you both have a pretty n know pretty good energy but yeah he's old you know i don't want to do yes y's true that's true that's true a single point

i'd like to make what transfobia is that

intensely disregards difference of opinion let's say i'm not a comedy and i talk

this make me a comy fo

ok i go you're saying gentle git i got you're saying

i think inj i think there's a difference

i agree with you can the whole thing a political gess ire i agree with

you that we shouldn't label people for a negative

so i agree with you

but

i also think it's fair to say that people going out of their way to attack

the transgender thing

i personally wouldn't have a problem with people calling the

rans full

even though i don't like woke words and i don't use them myself

i can see where you know

if they're going out of their way to attack

trans people that i understand

but someone yeah kind of serious

are you going to do that now

how how the folk did

oslon and p k case which

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i don't know what's kind of

isn't this is just general collapse of the soviet union just general confusion that's

that's my impression

interpretation

leonardo jorge wrote an article about that

he's talking up

feminism was used against a

you i don't know if you want an article about that

oh i di i did not drow anything i didn't know ot of anything

the opportunistic feminists in mexico

ya well it's not um not to cool i din't know right

i know it wasn' you it wasn' you

no i was just i was poblishing

some another stay articles yes it was written by you

uh yeah

on

yeah we know about that

you know what how that works

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ginji you're right i'm so familiar with how that dynamic works to

a lot of people just become reactionaries because people believe them into a hit

knowo

so you're right dude i

but i don't know i don't know the jordan peterson story but like

yeah i know i agree with

on

exactly their hightest parties were all for women's liberations

i think it will happen in america i mean it's already happening america to the united states

i don't know anything about the ecuadorian election shamefully i don't know any

have been focusing on streaming

i knew that time i can realize what's happening worl by the way guys were not streaming tomorrow

maybe not then monday probably not monday i don't

don't expect a stream until like

at least half a week

or you got you guys can stream

here that are here

not for me

i can't do one

because i have a really big paper due thursday

but i want to try to do it early so i can stream wednesday or tuesday

m or i might do it early on

monday and then

work on a tuesday

do it thursday

someone wrote his bodies rejecting the anglo language

ah

ath is so funny

do

chad how much did you laugh earlier when i was covering how much you guys laugh when i'm raging

be honest

be honest

oh i'm laughing i was

yeah youyeah i was i was watching i was watching like bits and pieces of it when i was free and it was pretty pretty entertaining where you g i'm always hoping everyone's just laughing i don't want anyone to like

take it too seriously

now it's pretty funny

yeah as were you here when we're talking about the need for gaming

like today

no injust in generally

we should all try to gain

somehow

i i i think i

so

i don't know i i uh you mean on the screen you guy when you were talking about this

or

or privacy

yesterday on the screen being ring oh oh ya

i wasn't here but i think i saw bus of it

waywait being has an interesting point i find it an embarrassment to the infrared brand

but

do you really realistically think we would have grown as

as much as we did without it because i don't think we would have

i mean just looking at the numbers it seems like it seems like it wll over pretty well i mean

we had like over seventy viewers at one time for for like a solid couple hours

and i think that was mainly during that that section of the stream too

i like that this channel has a love for ms p my computer can't run anything else

have a death stranding stream

oh wow do that be sick

i seem to get a new p c

i need to get a new p c

but

i have the best i give w i'm waiting for him to come back and stock there's not in stock

i need to play deaf straining at some point

you know we've had so many like discussions about it but i've never actually a

like like actually played it

and

do one with bread to do what

canow

think you you refers to the gang stuff

game with bread to

please tell me so if not

me and voss can play the

mind crak and debate

we should have a morto combat and

competition thatll that'll decide who's the who's the real winner in the final battle against wash

i feel like breadon would we would just want to cancel us because if you think about it k web is really nice

and we're just so much more

explicit

gright you

sorry but

sorry i think i think half of them will um

but the thing the interesting about bread tube the're nots

completely the same as the um

twitter a cancel activist

they won't cancel you but a lot of them has this edginess to it like wals like he will say some

think that's really problematic as the people are just

and he keeps getting away with us um

some they even have like this kind of new atheist rice swiming background or something

very true

very true

because i think they

and the reason why they are popular to a degrees not just because they present the mainstream left discourse

they have this near all fum

of edginess of opposition of like we're

like they try to

keep the act of being as you just look at boss this is another his appearance even like his a his a wife is gift off is like

lost pollos which is correct

that's a that's a really good point he does say a lot of stuff that like

you know i would think no one would ever say in public you know or would amit to publicly like some of the stuff that he says you know

that's a that's a good point

maybe it comes from like that kind of like ford chand culture kind of a

stuff almost is kind of like similar vibes to like that kind of that kind of edginess

i have to go so see all later o you got to go time past that fast later

yeah

well luck do it

i savey

you know speaking of the p s five i like

i don't know i'm really on the fence about at the one hand i really want to but on the other hand i want to wait like a year or two years for the price to go down and for more games to come out

dude even if you wanted the p s and right now you couldn't buy one i check

they're still like they're still a all like sold out yeah they're still sold out

you it's been like that like since the lease day it's been constantly like you know what i mean all hold out

that's crazy

it's incredible

yeah it's crazy

yah

think of an o council culture

this is what they mean that duran peteron was basically bolled into it okay

yeah it does seem like uh

raight lives on twtter are

more of the conceling type

or will oral say stuff that kind of like

implies you should be silenced like say that you're being you know violent or whatever

what not

ill do

oh man it's like

these streams are kind of exhausting you know

i bet they are but at the same time though like it's it's almost like i don't know for me at leasts like an addictive like exhilarating like quality to like at the end of it you feel like you know it but like while you're doing it though it's like the energy just kind of like speeks like at the end at the end of the night i feel like we've just conquered the haters

and we've kept them at bay

like i just feel the sense of victory like the that the war is gone for tonight

right right yeah

like all these people on twitter and all these folking people on our channel commenting talking shit

not all these people have one guy and the fucking guy on the channel

it's almost like they've been conquered for tonight

yea yeah the next time

you know i feel like it is probably just a few dedicated people that's like the vibe i geve like maybe three three people or so

yeah dude

it's going to be one of these days that we get a hater to debate us

it' got to be one of these days

yeah so far we've only had like like you know

wt of the word like polite or like you know debaateable people who are on kind of have a common ground or it

don't mean any like actual you know disrespect so far

i see

my point being jordan peterson was institutionally forced to call people by their preferred pronouns and then he

birds that oh ok ok

yea yeah i see what you're saying honestly i'm not i'm not that familiar with jordan peterson and how it all went

but i feel like besides some yeah that happens to people like

they

get like forced or the get kind of pushed into like

yeah yeah using all this new language et cetera

and then its kind of makes them like go further to the right

um

like in regards to that

but yeah well joring peterson himself i'm not that familiar i kind of just started hearing about him like a few years ago when he when he blew up

and then i was very very unimpressed or like disappointed when i actually listened to what he had to say

because he just kind of seemed like

a moron that was like blown up like to these gigantic intellectual proportions and then he's just kind of he's just kind of a moron you know

yeah i

also very overwhelm

i mean the haters from left bll different beas and the heters twitter

they're all the same people i think

they're all the same people

um

i watched them i winded down and watched a movie last night

it was a korean sci fi movie and it's called

space sweepers

ok is hear that it's on netflix i haven't heard of it yet and only

i only watched the first hour of it

but i kind of liked it

i coud have like what i watch

what about

it was just a high budget sci fi movie with bill gates is the vision a eugenics

explicitly almost explicitly

eugenical bill gates is the villain

wow

it's it's a korean i actually like the movie i

i had to only shut it off because it was like three am and i had to get to bed

i feel like the's a the like a lot of like high quality korean movies like over the last like

like i guess year or so

yeah

that's an interesting angle eugenics bill gates

it's crazy it is crazy

yeahe that's what i would expect from like if you were have like maybe a conservative like movie maker in america might might do something like make you know what i mean my go run with something like that

yeah i mean

it's like uh

without the cringe though you know

without like that because a lot of the problem of the conservative movies like atlas shrugg and shit

is that there's a lot of conservative virtue signaling as well

yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah i know i know exactly what you mean and it is very cringy it comes off as like too explicitly like

moralistic or ideological

you know

exactly that

i'm just trying to order food i got to eat some dinner

okay

ordering food right now

jenifer has so cool but

i think it will get bent

we up there

oh it's streaming a movie

hey has i think you should stop browsing left people

should we

you have our attention you've proven yourself yout more of these debates you've had in more theory

let me do a poll right now i known't there's only thirty eight of you but that's an interesting

sent

i want to see what i want

she shaped loves

gin appreciate the love

on

only

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only

what's wof warria

anybody watched it

i haven't seen it but when i when i hear about it it seems to be like about some like i've always heard the phrase wof warrior politics i haven't seen it but i think some friends of mine saw i think maybe it's a war movie

will for

willf years a cool movie i like it

it's a courl movie

some of us watch wandering earth

really great move

i love that one

i mo i showed i sowd my i watched it twice i watched it once and then i sld my i sld my dad because he likes a lot of sifi movies and he thought it was sick he loved it

it's a it's a really good movie i bought a three body problem a little while ago but i haven't finished i'm only like halfway through it it's very interesting it's very interesting book so far

is eugenics compatible with marxism

i don't think it depends on what you mean like some people wouldill be like

detecting a

infant

with preexisting medical problems

forehand

is eugenics

so if that's eugenics i guess there's nothing wrong with it but i don't think that's peoan by eugenics

like that i think youill mean by eugenics restricting

people's

sexual habits

based on their character i know there's like the one child policy and stuff

i don't really consider that eugenic so it's more like

if this person's

um a criminal

they can't breed or if you know it's like that i'm fundamentally against that i think eugenics is incompatible with marxism in es sense

yeah i would i would completely agree

or but u uh uh

you know if they can i'm

you know the thing you t creo is that another thing about eugenics

is that i'm very sceeptical of it

i'm just skeptical that they can do it

i'm skeptical of genetic engineering i'm skeptical that they can successfully do this

i

i don't think

design yeah techno utopians i'm very skeptical of it

i think for now it's kind of still a bluff

uh

that's exactly my view as well i just think it's

of

and you know even if i feel like even like it kind of depends on like like the country too because i feel like for america an example even if we had the scientific knowledge to do it

i feel like if we tried to do it we'd probably mess something up or like we wouldn't actually be able to like

you know what i mean like like get it get it done really just like as far as productivey goes

i think people overestimate

what scientists can actually

that

you would be surprised to what extent

grandma's good old

fashion remedies

give

the medical sciences a run for their money

think a lot of people just overs

you know country people understand this but these people in the cities

had this arrogant idea on all the medical science

is the signs grandma's bullshit is is bullshit no i mean

grandma knows w she's talking about you know most of the time

but it depends on who your grandmas i guess

my grandma you know for example she would know she's talking about i f'm sick and she has some

traditional remedy

probably going to fuck a work i mean she's pretty old and she's been dealing with this a long time

you know so

if your grandma's got a remedy

it's probably better than you should probably do that first

well less it's emergency

it's an emergency you might want

a you st when my grandma gives me medicine it's so disgusting

say some

wild wild leaves and grass i don't know

jennifer

let me put it this way jennifer i don't ever think there's going to i don't first of all

when people say ai

their assuming concept

what is intelligent

they can't

they can't properly know what that is

i don't believe in a i will ever be a

i don't

and i and if it ever will be a thing it's not going to be a thing

based on this technical paradigm of i'm going to create a machine that's going to be a human

i think that's such an arrogant view about what humanity is

you know

only in a post tid to garion socialist

zen buddhist

h

so

theocracy will we master the al chemical process of

creating life

but we won't be creating life but i don't know i'm just bullshitting i don't know what i'm talking about

all of o all of our science related discussions really makes me wish i went more be like more of a stemro growing up because i feel like they're there

there could be a second scientific revolution

you know but i just feel like i'm not i'm not one of the people capable of being a part of it maybe but the problem is that

it's the time issue you've got to dedicate so much time to marxism and all this shit

and that's going to take away from you it's like you've got to balance them you know

that's right yeah

that's why scientists will do better when

after the poletarian dictatorship and they can just take it for granted the't even have to devote time

dealing with marxism all

ll right right right yeah yeah yeah i know what i do what you mean

indeed i don't know exactly she always have

has these

i don't know some kind of herbs i don't remember the names

and also ya wc

lot of whatdcom

and that's it probably works you know

yeah

m

for

jesus the only things are open are wendy's r b s

i'll just get wendy's

but i want to eat healthy you know

it's a dilemma

actually i what i

i'm going to yetup

i hate when i order it when i order food too late and every everything is closed

you dot because it only i waited way too long

hundred percent i did

i might order some pizza

in' know

jennifer you know you know we were having a discussion kind of about about this about like the internal debate discussion over a traditional chinese medicine like among ourselves

not that long ago i'm not i don't really know much about i wish as was on

he could probably expand on on

on that topic

o what was in that country again

in south america was colombia

where they used indigenous medicine against corona

do youfer for the article no it was system something that say arsa blivia

ya about the uses stay of adshw may seni in

and from the indigenous

t

i always forget i always confuse the countries in south america i don't

holy be ah

yes

i read it in slutnik

like you awesome

yeah

splitney

someone made this mean

h oh we got another mean

dude politics isn't about your immediate interest just think about multiplarity in china we already live in so cizm

be sure there's no definition of socialism

this is neon you know i'm saying he's so mad

you know the big is theu we actually wereor is not like we're diverse from popular politics you know we are for you know you know medicare for all that kind of all these kind of popular policies

we're not saying we're not saying esoteric stuff you know

i almost like this mean because anyone who looks at this mean

wouldll just be like it's so much deeper cleuar this guy has a lot of deep shit to say

and this mean is reflecting that

so

yeah

okay

one of the personal we of the personal aid things start whate di that even start that started because

he's basically trying to say because i'm not giving a definition of socialism

with a string of words

that means everything i say is meaningless and we may as well say socialsm equals

bass

but you know it's not that far off

you know like mcdonald's

isn't just

like this capitt's company it's like

social thing

you remember in france like two years ago or so

uh miller schong the communist

or the left populist i'm not so sure exactly

he was fighting for mcdonald's to open

when they were about close

it's uh it's community thing also

interesting what is

mcdonald's

mcdonald's a shit i fucking he

yeah aman the food is shripp yeah

i feel like i just go to her because of the inertia that it just because it's such a thing such a familiar thing

every now and again i got a return to mcdonald's even though i don't really like it

ah about the question of

of ignette

um

we havesty social

security is estate institutions there ams and estate

um

that keeps some tay

ah

ah

cover

h any issues are about the state health

and would

and in a sense its they it's very lim

the might this

it's very limited our

or heliicresy gtation or a state

health care situation here in mexico

oh ma

you know what a techkok re sis name they keep remind it keeps reminding me of this ed ed berger and

article that i had started reading but didn't finish called techno crisy and populism

that's a sick art of

yeah i read i read about half of her but i like kind of started reading other stuff and forgot to finish it but yeah it was interesting yeah it was a very interesting article

came my phones only twenty percent

discord a not seen s carcasses

most don't completely understand you guys to have an opinion either way

most for nord tomus

that's in

i feel like

that's why we have such a high barrierd of entry

because the got first

everyone's going to

everyone who's a leftist is going to hate us but if you're a random person you might like

you know

being for fuck you who was that sword why saying fuck you

what part of mexico is whre he from

um mexico city

a chilango

y act w

the'll hear

uh what

yeah i like sadie plant i like her cyberpositive

i

gentle ginji

everyone always ask hoy about the zapa tist dos you like the official

spokesman

uh ya and and i suppose uh because sapatis does has a very

is stay

met that very great policity is that outside of the country every people were thinking suppatist

it's surprising

um

ah yes

well um like you were saying that m in short there's a partsters husband are very very aystic

sectarian leadership a very sectarian leadership

um yah

let's put thatt it nere very sectarian

waiting for the discord has

w you

we're going to wait a little longer

throue

mexico born and raised i thought it was already has a discord a bsus twelve of them

um yeah

apparently has is an upper class american n

i don't give a pur to

i am i'm relatively privileged i am relative i'm in law school right now

it's you have to be kind of privileged to be in loss

i don't care

who cares marxs and angles were fucking uper class

was evil pecially pretty wealthy i think i think in among the left there's like

shaming if you're not suffering in poverty

that means you're a bad person but i feel like that's protestantism that's not actually marxism

it's not about

how privileged you are

it's about what you do with it

and i'm doing this with that

you know

but the

yeah i would say i'm relative i'm

very privileged

think i am very privileged

i

for how long i don't know this is a requestion it's to go blud diferent question but for now i'm doing i'm doing kind of good

ah

ea know look what i just said you know

is is that something you you want to be though

do you do you want to

you know

i if i wasn't

then i would just be

trying to find ways to make money and get rich

all the time

it's like it's like what ej says of you know if you're a communist

you know why would you deny being in a position of power

why

like what

what is the significance of that i don't understand what's the significance of that

abto let me tell you something

i've never met someone who's privileged who shares my views

like me

so there's no correlation

you know there's no correlation if anything i get along with a lot of working class people

in lfe

i don't get along with very privileged people i just i don't

i

for example in law school i don't i don't get along with anyone i don't have any friends in law school i don't like any i don't share any of their

spirit

none of them you know

i just can't communicate with them because how i talk and shit

but

m

there's no correlation

the most privileged people guys are the ones adopting

the dusas

bernie those people are very privileged trust me they are

ok

those people are i don't know what the fucking point is

there's no correlation whatsoever between my position

other than the fact that i have been graced with having a lot of free time

to study all of this

that's one thing

is yeah that is a big thing

same deal

with the capitol hill

small business owners are talk onan air of the swanson fortun

yea

yeah i mean

exactly exat it's not about where you come from personally it's about how you relate to the social class

that represents your personal position in life

and there is a discontinuity marx understood there was a discontinuity

hazi was len in no way

you know

it' don't don't say that it's almost

socialism's in a religion i think thaning said something like you cannot source you cannot socialize probam

pretty

but to be rich is glorious

yeah

you know the funny thing is i'm not necessarily rich i mean i am

living off of what i have

i don't have extra

like i don't for example i've never gone on vacation

i went to connecticut

in twenty eighteen

and i haven't gone and i've stated and you know i haven't gone on vacation

i

in like ten years

five years

when's last time when i vacation wow

i went to austin texas in twenty fourteen

twenty fifteen or twenty fourteen i never went on vacation ever again

after that

and i don't you know there isanother question

yeah

oh there is another question from

from ginget so um

yeah

i hate sup commandant de marcous i hate him he's a

from day one from two seats af their amlo starting his campaign he was was this kind of a very sectarian view he leadter along in and lot of issues in the right that is mexico it is more there is a conspiracy here ury in mexico that say that the is the was created by the salinist government to create a fake opposition at the by the left

i i don't think that's the issue but it that's conspiracy is doance by the very sectarian nature that is the sany

and is

it's terrible

it's terrible

you know it's

uh

it uh sorry what was i going to say teck

technograpy

lenin praised american tailorism and productivity yeah he did

the soviet union was very much influenced by american

a

modern industry

and that not only just in the technology but the organizational paradigm

even

even well i always make the argument that

communism was

america so american

americanism was communism in the twentieth century

you know

not though it's the opposite of what browder said

but now we're kind of in a post american

situation

and it's not clear

and what differentiates people like a o c from us

and thse fro may have seen the synthetic left

it's not purelydological alexander it's a class division

it's a class distinction

jimmy dore is speaking to

popular peasant

middle psant

a o s in the synthetic left

basically the pm c

say

kind of

simplistic rundown of what's going on

yeah composedly exactly it's a class interest

of some kind it is a definite class

c still has no issue bombing and occupying black and bron people

you know there is a class thing going on it's definitely a class distinction that we're seeing

were witness

a o c's class base or who it's kind of si

who's jimmy dors class base

well you just got to you want if you ever want to understand class just think in terms of barrier to entry what is the barrier to entry

you know like

to be a fan of a c what's your barrier to en

can you just get out of your

can you just go home from your construction job at the end of the day

sit on your couch turn on the t v and c a o c and be like oh yeah i'm with a

know if you want to be that kind of guy you have to

get out of your construction hob go home

sit down and start knitting

and then go

you know you know what i actually really like a c you know saying like you have to have that personality

that detour

where you're betraying your true authentic and raw self if you're

work

to support o c

and you also have to want to get capital off

you have to be what

that's why these people always have the virtue signal you know

these leftists who come from working class backgrounds

liberal leftists i mean

they always have to

earn some kind of extra social capital of urchasing we're doing it like

s was a yeah i love it i love i support you see you know man

but they expect

brownie points

and you because there virtue signal

trying to farm

tension so there's always a barrier to entry there's always willterior motives

and it's all about this beard and

thing as to do with them being p m cs

and i mean just like intuitively and like culturally the distinction could be more clear right you know just look at just i mean just think about how you feel

ill or but when you want

i th what they're saying how they sound you know

it can be more clear the difference

it's so like you know an intuitive look

on

let me see

it's five am already i me to sleep oh my god dou and i knowlex sleep alex se later alex

i see

goe nights horas more questions for you

yeah yeah i see it

so what

and

yeah theres one sisted

the might beet train and in these issue a sty

they sit the

aligned with right a i sais that the says prity

in the south

to

um ho about the steam

well there's a patistas

i don't know if

consider it there

ah ashamanese stck three worships is

in os true sense it is very sectarian originally they come from from an oper rebellion that was in the nineties there was some negotiations and after that ay literally sit down in his own stead

it's bass in in in chaps

a

a part of chips and they stay there

i a

but even after staying completely aesteam

a lemites

there

and

they started some kind of

a very sectarian even from first day

in they took a stay

two thousand and six i think is ing in

i

even from the faercest stak

is the presidential roma fromm there tk aver sectanium is the position

and they say say stp

taking a true revolutionary pro quite they are only they doing is sitting there in chepaus

that

yes

i sat down

there's a restaan

are you well saved

there's a reason why

it's very asy

do they faint

the a c

compared

to the fact it be in colombia thiss a reson

wait

in colombia there's made a campaign against the fat e

there worse out

campaign against the ar a p

while they sitell in

a setal don't

they they were never a treat

agensday

the mexican estate

they starded there

so

i'll be

out the question of of youre not a all

i was the one

yeah yeah

um

well

to

i am not

i am not completely suest the what ist

yeah i

can i say about that

and

definitely there a very

i was confesced that i should study more how should we consider this situation of the cartel so he is there

some kind of esteem

i

capitalist organization

eh anduni estate general estate

distruction that is happening in our cotter of mexico

e

and how this connects with the situation of their stins the local governments

and the other is stak is them

nice day

transnationals that operates in mexico

and how they are

is the affecting their

on

ah

ah

um

oh

um

ya the common life of the people so you i am not very close in this ag of sing english

um

yeah i think about the cartels i tend to reject personally i know i'm not i don't live in mexico

i reject personally any type of thing where it's like they serve capital i know i don't agree with the abstract

have

and i think it's not

ith is not a comt

analysis

so if the cartels are occupying

infrastructure in

tchic points

i think that requires a broader and better

sense of the political economy

and i would say this so the political economy in the age of so

in't want to get

um

let me

continue the chat

our revolutionary taxes on illegal industry

more harmful or helpful generally

what do you mean expand

what you mean by legal industry like

a maoist

revolutionary taxes on villages like the shining path

um

is the notion of barrier to entry

also central to the gamestop re billion i think it is

i really think it is yeah

how's the book you kind of promise to read

all right i'll get it

you're not sick

i can't promise you want to read it cover to cover but i'll

' at the birkhd russell houst

thanks thanks for the link in g

thanks and very

appreciate

france we did hear about we did see the article about the tech companies in thevata being able to form like a government so i guess we saw that we

saw the news about that last night

you know it doesn't scare me i'm an accelerationst let it happen

anything that corresponds to the

further disintegration of

the american

current policy

i'm open to see what will happen it doesn't scare me

it doesn't scare me at all

but i yeah

we should have talked about that a little bit more

but i

a

it's interesting

i didn't actually read the article so concretely speaking

speaking concretely

what does it actually mean

for that to be the case to you know

i di' have to be governments you know

yeah i don't know or youer they put spins on stuff so

i want to know more about what that

me

you know

yeah i cocause also it's interesting whether that opens up the possibility for other corporations to you know

foreign governments

or you know depending on what the actual change is

is english

his decipher

being what country a you from do you say and are you from russia are you russian being

i forgot what she said

last andim i think i remember that

gingjis hear this are sorry hoorri hear this gingji says

jor's english is ok what he lacks is fucking confidence

what do you think about the head he's gined i think is a second english speaker too so he knows about this

issue

think

m

he might know what he's talking about here

yeah i eve in

i have not even in my original language i was not even a great conversationalist so at this this english problemce so

yeah i have a lot of issues to deal in in this

question of exs sttering h et cetera

the zones would permit companies with large areas of land

form governments carrying

the same authority is

count

county authory

including the ability to impose taxes form school districts and courts

provide government service

is

crazy

i i wonder could that ever surpass like the state form you know what i mean like is that constitutional is my question

that seems like a really big change

yeah iss not even constitutional

i don't know

that this will that will that be taken to the supreme court

and there have been company towns in the past

the ability to levy taxes

wow that's getting into some interesting stuff

i asked the question because there's a well known connection to the other political parties and narcos and all like the cia

commonology they collaborated with this in

in the lower cortel

yea like like

out so there there

they're there yeah he's so

foking close to four careers

this is dey

how there's this it the be connections between

is then

the carters we very estate

and

happiness dare

political parties es state yale bans hilipe call their oon a

and how this connects week with

also criminal organizations like the there and the sa that they pretend that these against state the narcot traffick and et ce but no there there are depth connections with they have with this

was the hissusce

they are setting up a to prepare to surpass the state form

you know why i'm not scared because i know that every privatization also means a deeper

state centralization you know

i could easily see something like that happening in china china is also a very decentralized

country

and

so i'm what i whenever i see that kind of thing

with

the nevada i'm asking the question how does the communist center

make sense of that political

what is that political vacuum missing

overaws all of that

surpasses it all

what is the big people's power the big power you know

they're setting up the new economy and i love how it's in nevada

like nevada

me how they're going to bring it online and i'mst excited for that

in a doomor accelerationist way

they indeed are pushing toward a more technical feudile capitalism and even less social video more authoritarism now andan

wow dude

i'm ready for it

infrared is ready

with my gi band

is that you mak a band

i feel like it's a question of like not out but when

just hopefully we were get and yeah we will yeah

we just need the time to grow more insteat up like ur you know kind of like backup plan or you know some some some roots before before it happens

right there are multiple governments trying to facilitate the wealthy aer working on the new political economy

i don't we beat it to the chase and have a new jimmy dore

revolutionary populism

whre we say

no more kings of lords and you know rally the fucking people and preemptively beat it to the chase

and i think that's how it happens in history every revolution in history witnesses something suddenly trying to crawl in

and then they're almost reactions it no we're not going to let it happen

almost every revolution is kind of reaction

you know like it's always they notice some subtle changes happening in this say no

we're not going to let you go this far

no pasaran

will that push class constituting its corelation

the

what he tek

and know was that all the comes relutions led to a vival of religious forms of expression

absolutely toud religion is at

so important

and not to be und arst

is this like mol bugs idea of the patchwork

yeah dude i'm all about that acceleration is patchwork

let a thousand patchwories bloom dude

so that we could clarify what is truly holy and common

if all of our cities are private

then there's a more fundamental common

missing

included in the communists are going to be ones to name

you think a revolution in america will coincide with the revival of christianity it probably will of some kind

of some kind of christian spiritualism

some spiritual christianity not this fake

protest

not this bad christianity we're seeing with the d s c and stuff but like a new true

spiritual

revival of the

christianity

is

fundamentally

beedded in amoerth

i meant the new feudial centralization on the states

i don't know do i feel like only a communist party could be a government worthy of

patchwork of which is momll bugs idea

moldbook thinks the king can

be a sovereign government

hows those have a sticky

see

three year

just can't see itcause it's so small

serius uh

i can see in the room

oh

see es

i can't see it' right here

tiny

how many were is sbot

mintes

and gall

ya

ya yes ya about the question of ta sing

yeah i have not seen the

the documentary series of materife but i im i don't doubt there's some connection with your re some

as more a recently there was a case in columbia where

there was a st an exposing of i stam

o farm

of a stay

o oh

oh

o fanarco that is they need um

give us the morey imposing the campaigns weits

of odi it was it was a coud you surname a nan

and it was called this case the union lanunion politica

it's good you say

because it they did they prans against narcotra

of a guys narcotics a and columbia am

is tm

ah

then

then

yes

um

ck on

aded a

it's very late

very way

frother

any

and in your consent deal they style aso need us is a your consent dealso need us and not ill thesep another united states says about the narcopolitics of venezuelabot you simplymented colombia

it is just somes notqraffic antes

hey your son is not gotrafic countries they are the nct then the not caust to colombia that they they they got not they go the government call it the colombian government ictually understood what you're saying it's fscual understood you

i don't know a lot of spanis but

i understood that

moldbug is also a fan of china

i've heard china is a sense sort of left

yeah mobug's a kind of like interesting utopian socialist thinker who's repressed and he has dumb

he's still caught up in the dumb republican democrat spectrum so that's why he's a right winger

and he's also kind of racist i think so maybe that's also the thing he's like he's into the racialism

he's also kind of angle but whatever

there's interesting angles too

robespired denounced atheist hedonism

for a reason

he said preach the cult of the supreme being edg you because robes here was a good dude in his heart he was a genuine human being in his heart

he was a good

defender of the people robesphear

and he had love for the people in his heart

and that's why he

in a way in a way atheism is bad

but i'm an atheist in a marxist sense but in a way atheism is bad

avis means like bitterness that there's no meaning to being at all it's all meaningless

and atheism is bad

but

it's complicated i do' want to have more religion

i

i really recommend

gray zone in moderate rebels

org is a really passionate is like a really passionate street vendor who wants to tell you something

and you buy it out of kindness

spanish is soken with dude spanish is a language of passion

for if i spoke spanish would i fit well in the

latin american country yelling and screaming all the time and shit

i do i think english provent from expressing my true rage

if i spoke spanish i would be able to

expressed the true breadth of my

anger and passion

you're drinking too much

thought could please

guys i keep waiting for us to dip below thirty to end it but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen tonight we're still hovering forty

after six

seven hours

yeah that's that's another one of the insane things about these stdreams is like how long we're able to do this in keep like the same core audience

it's tough don't eve keep up anymore we have so much viewers that

yeah but i think we do have to end this his stream you know we've got to end

definitely went past the thirty

minutes that i initially

plan

yeah i think it's been a bit over an hour now

you think it's a good time i i also want to finish that movie you know and i have dinner coming and

going to sit down eat some dinner and watch that movie

what was the name of the movie again

uh street

sweeper sorry no space sweepers ok

o with one more question

that's why i was asking se question on revolutionary parties becoming involved in illegal

logging mining and drug traffic

well it's the car before the horse you got to build the party first and that seems to be the biggest

problem right now

it's lok

even a party of five people will devolve and the it the'll be drama and will split

that's the problem

you know

infrared has been

never had that problem

we've had

problems

per se

but never to the never on a formal level has there been a problem infrared

you know

and that's why we were able to do this

and

we've were we've matured to that level we're not a party even then we're not a part

you know we're not

at that level but

yeh there is an issue of groups

and they tend to split

because they take themselves too seriously

but

you feel like

a lot of people have a very indi individualistic like mindset uh like when it comes to like leftist forming groups i feel like everyone kind of has their own special designs usually you know

orer ya a

sometimes a group just means i'm not going to leak stuff i'm not going to like

i'm going to recognize there's a distinction between

the group in the outside and i'm going to

you know i'm not going to

i'm not going to let it spill over we're going to have things private only for us

he i was watch the sifi movie annihilation i did watch a dude i loved annihilation i liked

very lookin and i agreed you

but there's just that one scene in that movie i like

in

which was when like there was she looked at her like she was just like it reminded me

she was like in the field and she was just looking at her hands and there's just leaves

casually growing on

i was like that's so relatable

to s it's an experience i had in the past

yeah i was going to i was just i don't know if you talking about a stream but yeah its i was like wow that's so relatable that's crazy

can i have a non

can we have a non

movies to watch and you have no g f there's no difference

beween if you have one or don't

can i have a non politically correct question addreuss to henry guys

uh i guess that's fine

but that's the last question that we got to go

love you real politics thank you yes we appreciate it we appreciate it

i've seen online communites split up and die over the stupidt backroom bulls

ya

was going to work

we're going to pull apart over king conger god bill because because they invent problems that don't exist and then argue over them

and they i feel like they enjoy doing it you know they would because

it's traumatic to realize there is nothing there is no order there is no

organization there is no

party

and that's why there's so much drama

because they don't they haven't come to this realisation that

there is nothing there

but they have to create something to fight over it

because it's too traumatic to accept this is a lakonian point

there's nothing behind the screen

them because i have of ok one more question from dela lou and gentle ginje two more questions that were done

all right i'm following you in g

i love how king kong has become a mem i love that fucking

it's a it's a good mean for us though

love

y

i'm just mbing people love people like haz calls himself king kong

this crazy guy on plugod street calling himself king ong

ok

he' you're reading a

okay i'm continuing over to

follow what's the

yeah i like the i like the king kong meme too

feel like it's such a simple like representation but at the same time is pretty base

well i i feel like uh jingj you just probably shouldn't use the n word i mean it's not it's not necessarily because you your your own ancestors have any sort of like guilt h or relation uh to it but it's just like it's like a cultural thing that you know that has a very negative connotation

ah

i mean honestly yeah yeah yeah that's that's i mean that's pretty much all there is say about it

see king kong a he

um

ok

do you have any plans on courting a more non white

and non male audience as p o c and woman

make up the majority of the working poor

no

aur ho ho wait wait wait wait we only have like one a white person our group no we do know we have we have a couple have a couple white people actually we

we don't court anyone

we don't court anywyere

but

we're not going to judge

who's who we're bringing into our circle and we's very rare that we ever do this

but it's never going to be because

oh we need we need women in our group well no we need to

you know we're not overthinking we're not a group we're not a party we're not where we don't represent anything you know infrared maybe in

i don't know dude

i want to have more interviews with women with women figures on infrared if that's what you're saying i agree with that

but

when you're oll you're overthinking it

you know and another thing too is that

we don't we there's no metal organization

literally just like the twelve or thirteen of us

there's no like organized there's no formal rules in place we're just going to be able to admit

people based on their

background

because well we need more pop like who as we right we're just

twelve people

it's very organic it's very just natural in organic we're internet

theory friend

how a wouldout that

oh soo

yeah yeah also di you i just feel like like

i don't know i just feel like that's kind of just a personal

like a personal thing i gus i mean i guess like between you and him you know

so i don't really know what to say

i mean i guess if you don't want to call that you can just tell you don't want be called that

but then youyea know it just seems like a personal thing between you and him

um

see

women don't exist on the internet

oa the sounds good

one

it is kind of weird

i thought about like why is our group infrared we have zero women in

there is wen't even have that many people we like thirteen people

and we're all guys here so that's why

because

there is a kind of divide and it's intimidating this is a bunch of guys

like if you if we if it started out as like three women

would probably in all women group

have started out as foro three guys it's probably it's how it works you know unless it until it gets to like fifty people

or one hundred people then it'll change but

you know

that's ist how it is du

i like how that guy on who started the new lefty pole thread said we had twenty people

i kind of i kind of like par me kind of hopes that like the imagination of how big we are a get like starts to like more fm people's head people just think there's like just an abstract

unknown like number of infrared people you know behind the scenes

to me

sorry to me western

politics have always been a boys club

nw he's been a bite

fight to save the

so sours of white deep

well nothing dio is like who are we

to go out o way to appeal to women in our group

like i'm not a woman so i don't understand women's experiences in that sense you're saying

i can't speak for women i can't represent women

you know

i just can't

can't speak for them

i can't represent them

i don't know anything about what it means to be a woman

you know so i'm not i'm not speaking for every single person as just the people who can

relate to me you know

but

but i

yeah i don't know

and you know the

do rely a load dowt on the racial thing i mean i

this is a very very international group i mean i

we i don't know is a very very international group

you know we have people from all over the world and

the infrared

see

just not western politics fan

you guess see one words

large conspiracy beyond

forrd and about on or there's no

you can get many women a joy if you want you you have poor hair

oh yeah yeah i agree with that based mango the the makeup of the group or like the gender makeup of the group should should shouldn't be relevant it should be about the political you know political positions

instances i

that we take

i mean also there are also you know real like i guess you cauld say cultural like

divides in like

maybe maybe that might

place have have some you know political importance so but yeah ok guys how would i promise you this

one thousand subs will make a discord

it's kind of far off i don't know maybe like in a week or two i'll make it just

you know i'm busy right now

law school

so i don't have time to attend to a discord bes remember i'm also writing a lot of other shit on the side and i'm reading stuff on the side

so a lot to balance

what i'm

i

yeah i don't

uhmm

i think that's it

right

it'

aur guys we're going to end it here

all right really nice

seven fifty subs read it ok yeah yeah yeah we can do that seventy scells we're going toke ready

but i'm not going to be active on it i was read it

and browsing

when thousands of this

and i'm man you busy fighting pixel

wew it's growing our channel but it seems to be working if it stops working i'll stop doing it

i think people i think people love the pain people love the imst pain

yeah

ah

need to get some sleep i'm going to finish that movie dinner and then i'm going to sleep

composer le maan see you later

later' thisll so crazy how you're in our chatm

the o gr watchs

ya don't humble

good night jennifer

see later t c

see later gin g

it's for all love guys

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