Aleksandr Dugin and the New Eurasian Era

average person and part of the reason

why i guess like the world is falling

apart is because either people are

slowly starting to realize that or these

people can only serve their interests

for so long before everything falls

apart for everybody else that's kind of

what it sounds like you're saying

yeah it's a basic marxist hermeneutic

okay so i understand what you're saying

i think it's all stupid so now where do

we go okay

okay so why do you think that's stupid

for

for a million reasons one is because

to have an analysis like this a macro

perspective on this we have to get micro

on every single little claim does

capital really control the prevailing

interest of the political class or is it

the citizen that's an important thing

that we have to have a discussion on

it's a really big discussion and it's

not even it's not it's nowhere near no i

think that the public has a huge control

over the elected class

and you run it yes and you render this

time and time again

i don't care i don't know what you're

gonna say okay you run into this time

and time and time again because people

will say things like there's a rule in

class there's an elite etc etc it's like

oh really well how do you point to the

fact that people like bernie sanders got

kind of popular oh well the ruling class

kept him out so he was only he was

control opposition oh okay what about

people like trump winning the election

that guy wasn't ruling class oh well

actually uh they ended up picking like

there's always an excuse why that like

this conspiracy works most of the time

but it didn't work in that time or what

like and eventually at the end of the

day we end up debating all of these

really nebulous weird stupid things that

don't really translate to anything real

at all we have to talk about like the

bilderbergs and the fucking demon

gardens and the groves or whatever i

don't even know i have to fucking shit

because it's so boring to me okay and

and we don't actually get to discuss

anything that's happening in the real

world instead we elect for these like

really exciting and really fun

narratives that we think can explain all

the world's problems because they're way

more fun and interesting to talk about

than kind of the more boring

on-the-ground realities of the world we

live in

i'm not opposed to talking about the the

micro level either but i think that like

they inform each other right like if you

have an accurate view at the macro level

then you know it helps you have a more

accurate view on the microphone i

disagree i think that the macro level

that abstraction necessarily needs to be

derived from your individual

understanding of what's going on and in

fact i would say no i would say

necessarily because if you have a macro

understanding first you're only going to

selectively pick the micro things that

fit that narrative and you're going to

preclude any ability you have to

actually have a great article i think

it's i think it's definitionally true

anybody that approaches something with a

macro level understanding of what's

going on without even knowing what's

going on is always going to pick and

choose because the world is huge what

are we at like eight nine billion people

you can always find events you can

always find facts and figures you can

always find a study to support your

prevailing macro theory if that's all

you're looking for so i think that

approaching to the macro theory first is

horrible you have to look at a whole

bunch of different micro things and then

you can structure macro theory based on

things you've seen no i'm my macro

theory my macro theory here isn't

something that i'm like coming with i

like arrived with a priori etc like i've

come to this view through like having

gone through made many other world views

right and like challenging myself with

like tons of different uh like

perspectives and evidence etc so it's

like really this view that i've come to

like that i'm trying to describe it's

not something that i came to like a

priori or whatever and i understand that

you deal with like a lot of like western

leptoids and like people who are like

kind of unserious about reading this

stuff but i'm asking you to like

actually treat me as if i might know a

little bit more than some like dullard

let the weight or whatever who's just

like mouthing off as you say like markov

chains and things like that because

that's not really my perspective i'm not

like i don't agree with them on most of

the things that they would say i have

read a lot of marks obviously i've read

a lot of a lot of things but that's like

been very influential to me and so of a

lot of other things right but um i don't

agree this idea that like you have to

pick either doing things from like

constructing on the micro level into the

macro level or from the macro level and

then conforming the micro level to that

i think that there's like a dialectical

engagement here like when i go and

investigate things in the micro level

that will change my mind on things in

like the macro level too and vice versa

you know like it's kind of a perpetual

process of education

i'm not trying to pick one over the

other

okay

all right

i'm saying we can have a conversation at

the macro level or we can have a

conversation micro micro level but if

what i've been trying to do is to move

between those two and i feel like that's

what you have been throwing you got but

you don't want to move between

um talking about the micro level and

then back to the micro macro level and

then back to the micro level back and

forth that's generally how i think

okay

um that makes sense does that make any

sense

yup i gotcha

um okay well listen

it's been fun

i'm gonna uh what a pussy that's my

dialectic engagement with the world okay

okay well let me know if you ever want

to read books okay i'll think about it i

can help you out okay have fun

wow that's like the biggest

honestly this guy's so fucking boring

guys um

all right i wanna you know this is a

weird place to start it

um

yeah i have a few things to talk about a

few things to announce first and then

we're gonna get into this stuff

with destiny and logo we're gonna cover

that debate

um give me a second

okay

all right guys i have a few things to

announce right um so as you guys might

have seen from my uh from my discord

um

i uh

i launched the patreon today right

and uh so far i just want to say um

i kind of was in a rush to launch it

because um i'm in a pretty bad situation

right now financially right i mean

before there was kind of a guaranteed

income

that i could use to pay bills and all

that kind of shit

and now it's kind of like i got cut off

from that right so the patreon

is not really complete there's a lot

more i want to add to it

um

uh there's more content i want to add to

it too like writings and other kind of

stuff and um

also more perks just in general and i

also want

a way to really reward the people who

have

you know went above and beyond the um

the the uh the tear for the perks right

give me a second there's some shit in my

fucking nose give me a fucking second

god fuck it damn it man

all right we got the bastard all right

yeah as i was saying um i want there to

be a way to reward the people who went

above and beyond and also um to be very

clear i wanna i want you guys to

understand that um

when it comes to the patreon and when it

comes to

like uh trying to see whether or not

this is sustainable right if infrared

in the same capacity as before or above

and beyond can be sustained

um i'm gonna give it a few months right

but

because i do have some money that can

support me that i have saved up until

then but um

you know it's gonna be a test right we

and i don't want you guys to go don't

spend beyond your means don't spend

beyond your means you know don't spend

irresponsibly

uh

because you've support you guys are

supporting me just by being here right i

mean that's really enough

um

so first of all you don't you know don't

don't feel pressured to have to spend

money especially if you know you uh you

don't really have any to spare there's

nothing wrong with that right and then

you know we do make sure some things

can't be monetized like for example the

hero of infrared rule you know that's

not something you can buy

that's not something you could buy with

money that's you know there is a

community here that's not just based on

money

it's just

um

you got to understand like it it it

takes money to support this right i got

to be able to like make this my job

and

in order to do that you know

i've i've got to be able to do it

full-time right which means i can't have

any other job

uh with which to support myself

so um

i am really grateful and so appreciative

of the people who have already signed up

to the patreon it's insane like i

launched it a few hours ago and we

already have so many

uh patrons and it's a really big relief

to me but um

we'll see in the next few months

if the full time so i'm trying to tell

you right now is that when you um

when you uh

based thank you uh

prioritize patreon over youtube super

chats in case of google soros blocking

money

um

that's a good question i i would say uh

they're for different things like the

patreon is just

if you just want to show support with

nothing else

but if you also want to show support

while like getting a super chat out

there and skipping the line i guess or

just getting my attention or the chat's

attention with the message you know it's

going to be up to you but um

it's it's not so much about the medium

as much as it is like

the sustainability of it right because

i think when i was earning what i was

earning on twitch which full disclosure

was about 5 000 a month

that was a little less than 5 000

actually but

that was

enough to be comfortable right that was

really enough to be comfortable

um

cover everything right

so

um you know it's just a matter if we can

get around there

in enough time before i

i guess i run out of money or something

i mean i i'm gonna be honest with you

guys it's a pretty like precarious

situation

um which i was expecting to be fair i

was expecting but um

yeah i know patreon is also not that

sustainable because they do have a d

platforming thing that they're involved

in it's just i'm not sure if you know

they they'd go that far i don't know

thank you uh cdx appreciate you so much

man

appreciate you

uh thank you marta kay appreciate you

uh

guys i appreciate it so much appreciate

all the help but um

yeah i mean

one thing i do like about patreon a

little more is that

you know if i miss a day of streaming

it's not the end of the world

and it's more kind of faith-based but i

want to give you guys a warning and i

should have said this beforehand to

caution you

the patreon is not a guarantee

that the infrared project will have

longevity and sustainability it's not a

guarantee because again

this has to be sustainable right

um you're not going to be paying for

nothing i am you are going to get

content in the next month and month

after that

and i'm not just talking about live

streaming content i'm talking about

you're gonna get content right

but

in the long term i don't want i don't

want to disappoint you guys one day and

just be like yeah you know i got to go

back to law school or i have to go you

know take up this other job or do

something else

and i don't want you guys to be

disappointed like

you know that like or feel ripped off or

something so i just really want to um

preface that you know

there's always gumroad if patreon

doesn't work thank you daniel baker

appreciate you man give me a sec

you know um

yeah so there's the patreon thing that's

going on and then again i'm gonna add to

it and work on it i mean that was just a

very rushed and hurried kind of thing

um oh but if you didn't know the patreon

has one perk right

that's pretty much

a guarantee regardless of the tier you

choose

which is that we are going to have a

weekly q a

so all you have to do really and i'm

going to try to set this up through

patreon and if i can't set it up through

patreon i'll let you know the procedure

minimum by tomorrow

but what it's what's going to happen is

that members patrons right you can write

a question

uh to me

something on your mind of any

theoretical some and it could really be

about anything it could be advice

whatever really whatever the fuck you

want right and then every week i'm gonna

like release a mini podcast on the

patreon

where i go over these questions and i

kind of

in addition to that share you know

bounce ideas with you about where i am

in my writings and kind of talk about

things

that you know have been on my mind or

whatever so that's going to be an

exclusive form of content for now the

only one for now that patrons are going

to be able to get

um

finally uh

i wanted to talk about this as well

uh

i did not watch the entire debate

between logo and destiny

and i know we're getting tired of the

destiny content and yeah i mean i'm

getting tired of it so i can't imagine

you guys

but i do want to go over it and cover it

at least cover up to the the parts that

i wasn't able to see

and give some commentary because

you know after watching that my

impression really is that this guy

destiny he's uh he's just the definition

of bad faith so you can really treat

anyone that way i mean you could have a

conversation with socrates be super bad

faith and just be like oh you're just

rambling you're not saying anything

and have 5 000 viewers you know root you

on and cheer you on and you're basically

going to be shaping and defining

what these um

like grotesque malformed redditors

watching you you're gonna be defining

what the repression is right all you

have to do is just be like oh you're a

dumbass and everyone says oh he must be

a dumbass because that's what he's

saying so so that's really that like the

sad thing is that you know logo is a

really brilliant guy

and here you have a really brilliant guy

talk to a dumbass with who happens to

have just because the dumbass has five

thousand viewers

um

he gets to define logos public

perception in a certain way in a certain

context right i just find that really

sad that's a sad fact

of how live streaming is but it really

comes down to whether you're going to be

good faith or bad faith and you know

destiny he's not a good faith

person when it comes to his limitations

he's a generally stupid person he's a

generally stupid person who's not

knowledgeable about

pretty much anything

and so

when he's confronted with that he just

kind of responds

by

making it seem like his ignorance

reflects some kind of objective truth

about the other person

right so we're gonna watch uh a little

bit of this uh

well yeah hopefully we don't have to

watch doing a great workout hope things

work out thank you stomach thank you

stomach we appreciate you guys yeah um

you know uh we i don't i don't know so

here here's what i want to experiment

with for today's stream right for

today's stream i think we're going to

lean more on analysis rather than

breaking news right so we are going to

have a concurrent breaking news and i'm

going to set up a news feed and

everything so i could be covering stuff

in real time but we're also going to

include analysis here and one of the

reasons we could do that

is because on twitch when we were

running about a thousand viewers

it was pretty tough to get into the

weeds of analysis right because people's

attention spans are too low people are

not interested in engaging in this kind

of like in-depth theoretical analysis of

stuff right

whereas on on youtube we're probably

going to be necessarily starting out

with a much much lower viewership

probably three times lower than what we

were getting

on twitch so we actually have an

opportunity we should take this

opportunity as a kind of moment to kind

of chill a little bit and and reflect

and edu you know

take it as a uh

a moment with which we could use fuck

i'm sorry

take it as a moment we could use to

educate ourselves or for me to educate

you i should say right or just you know

we shouldn't be in such a rush right and

and that's one of the things i want to

reiterate about the

special military operation in ukraine

there is such a great fog of war when it

comes to this and i think for me we've

kind of passed the threshold where it's

very clear that the mainstream press in

the west is lying about the conflict so

it's like whenever you hear anything

about what's going on in ukraine

it's just not very exciting for me to

cover the details of that anymore

because it's like yeah we've already you

know proven that they've lied we've

proven the lengths they go to to lie

they pretty much lied about russia doing

the worst thing they could ever have

done

so you know we kind of have to accept

the fact that yes they're lying about

russia with the malicious intent to

portray russia as a villain in this

conflict i mean

you know i mean i think the they've

admitted that right they've admitted

that

i think it was the pentagon like they

admitted that

yes we are going to report on

information even when it's not very

credible or we don't know a lot because

information is a tool of warfare right

so they've admitted that so it's kind of

like we've kind of gotten to this point

where you're either a dumbass who's

going to believe what they're saying by

ukraine or you know you're already in

the know more or less that they've been

lying i think right in the beginning of

the war i think that was the most

important part just to inform people hey

they're completely lying about the

conflict i think it's pretty clear to

people now so it's not to say we're not

gonna cover the conflict anymore we are

i just think it's now time to kind of

get more into an analysis of things

not have such a sense of like anxiety or

urgency anymore and i think we should

actually start drawing conclusions from

this and that's what that's what i

intend to do for today's stream that's

the goal of today's stream

so to be clear i am going to give like a

lecture or whatever right

and introduce you guys to dugan's

thinking

as well as the significant it has for

marxism leninism

but in addition to that there's also a

60 minutes interview

uh with dugan that's very recent and

we're going to go over it and watch it

together uh on youtube i'm not sure how

the reacts

like feel on youtube i don't know but uh

you know we're gonna do it because i i

just i mean these are things i want to

watch

just like the logo debate with destiny i

personally want to watch it um it's not

so much

you know for the stream it's just that i

i genuinely want to watch it and you

know i don't have time to watch it

before i start streaming so it's like

okay may as well stream it right

um

so yeah

so

yeah i mean

there's just a lot of unsurprising level

of

there's like an extremely unsurprising

level of stupidity that's coming out of

the destiny guy

and

you know it's a shame i didn't know when

logo was going to do this we could have

covered it live together but um

yeah we're going to go over it but uh

yeah i'm kind of glad this happened just

like i want people to see

i'm not the only person who's like has

to deal with this shit like yeah this

dude whenever he's confronted with

someone who's genuinely smarter and more

knowledgeable than him he's just gonna

be like

you're gonna see you're gonna see we'll

we'll watch it in real time right so

this is where it starts i think

i don't know if i've had the same

feeling with this one

i'm not saying it's a bad

also any tips on getting started to your

life then yeah

so overwhelmed what's up man i've been

there how much i just uh i watched you

and uh talking to you

and nick fuentes i don't usually watch

that much of uh that sort of content but

um

i felt like it would be interesting to

talk to you because if it feels to me

like you were talking to

people who you probably have too much of

a uh like

um how do i put this like a brand

relationship with you know like your

communities are sort of like

at war with each other i don't really

care that much about that i mean they

are but sure

i mean i just think i think it plays

more into like how much people are

willing to like be uh

faithful auditors of each other right

like for other people it might be better

yeah i have a hard time taking hot

seriously i'm not saying it's a bad

thing or anything but yeah i know i know

you're coming i mean i'm friends with

haas is one of my friends like i uh he i

i i i know uh how he's like like he has

a pretty uh high temper sometimes well

it's not his top right i consider him to

be genuinely a stupid person like that's

the issue but

i understand your problem is definitely

not a stupid person i mean i've had a

lot of conversations with him

how's this very

i think the problem is that

when you're someone who's like destiny

and you're used to being a loser your

whole life

the one thing you want over people like

me is like i at least want to feel

smarter right and i take that away from

him and that's really why

i've gotten under his skin so much it's

like he knows i'm genuinely smarter than

him genuinely more knowledgeable than

him

and you know i guess you could say well

how's he made you look so stupid

i mean

even if it's true that he made me look

stupid in front of his audience that's

not a particularly hard thing to do like

for example

if you lie and you have the larger

audience i mean you're gonna obviously

be able to portray the person however

you want like for example let's say i

had socrates right next to me i'm like

i'm like hey socrates you know

um

that's not a good example actually let's

say i have someone right next to me like

let's say i have fucking you know um

let's say i have some like esteemed

professor let's just say that right

and then and then the professor's like

okay yeah i went to the grocery store

the other day and i'm like you went to

the grocery store you don't even know

how to drive you can't even drive and

the professor is like

wait i do know how to drive here's my

license i can drive and cope cope you're

coping it's like you can literally make

anyone look any type of way and it's

like the professor's gonna be sitting

there being like

okay and then like

their very astonishment at the lie is

gonna be interpreted emotionally oh he's

clear that really got under his skin and

it's just like sitting there like what

the fuck is going on right

and that's really what we're dealing

with here right

um

so that's just a matter of clout if you

have more viewers and you have a bigger

community you can just

basically portray anyone however you

want to

yeah look at what happened with richard

wolff i mean i had to slap destiny

into humility because he didn't even

know what fiduciary responsibility was

because he's such a fucking dumbass he

tried to make richard wolff look stupid

right

and he got away with it why because he

had more he had a faster moving

and a bigger community right

rad like and um a lot of uh

difficult literature i would say just

like having read a lot of the same

things myself so i have a lot of respect

for has i'm not gonna lie like i've

spent a long time talking to him uh it's

hard to like translate that sort of

stuff to the sort of medium of twitch i

think like twitch isn't really a great

medium for like say talking about um you

know the history of western philosophy

or something like that like these like

large

uh sort of problems or large uh fields

of inquiry right like that's like

usually you know you want to have like a

group of people who are like reading the

same sorts of things more devoted to

like having a deep discussion about

stuff like that more like a college

course right is like where you'd have

like a better environment ideally for

talking about such things

i don't know if it's like if it if it's

like evident to you just through like

your interactions with him on twitch or

whatever but um i has not a dumb person

like i don't think you're a dumb person

either i don't even think nick is a dumb

person but that's kind of where i

disagree with logo is because i

genuinely do think destiny's fucking

stupid

um

i do think he's a gamer

and he games he was probably good at his

starcraft game or whatever and that's

where he got his community from but

yeah he's a gen he's genuinely a stupid

person like and by stupid by the way i'm

want to be a little more precise about

what i mean by that um

it's it's not

just having a lack of knowledge about

things he's genuinely stupid in the

sense that like his aesthetic of the

world is dulled he just basically has

this view that whatever the mainstream

media says must be true

whatever the authorities say must be

true just by merit of the fact that they

are the authorities and there's no

moment in his thought where you have

discontinuities discontinuities which

can interpret that's what creates the

fold in your fucking brain if you don't

have those discontinuities where you sit

there and you question

right

um

you question that your view of the world

is completely one-sided and that you

have to look at things in a kind of way

where you take into account the

imminence of contradiction

uh he is like authentically a stupid

person like stupid in the sense of like

a base

stupid

uh dull person a dull-minded person

i think nick is probably dumber just on

like a basic level okay i don't think

nick is dumb at all um i disagree with

him on things um

but i mean regardless obviously i know

your first house we're not here to

discuss intelligence yeah what did you

want to chat about

i'm just more interested in like what

what do you think is like the situation

right now like how do you view the world

moment that we're in like do you think

we're like in a good place right now or

like do you see things like getting

better from here like getting worse or

we could limit this to just like america

specifically um i think in some ways

we've gotten way way way better but in

other ways i think we're kind of flying

apart at the seams and we don't really

understand why

what ways have you see like that's a

really stupid thing to say like what

what kind of dumbass would respond to

that question with that thing has gotten

better

um i mean

well in terms of like technology and

health and like in terms of like you

know where a little standard of living

has gone better and like that's what

he's gonna say that watch in like in

very obvious senses things like medical

advances things like there you go the

general state of peace and security

around the world

things like the overall general health

of people especially in third world

countries i guess okay so let me tell

you why that's something a dumb guy

that's something a dumb person would say

is because a smart person would sit back

and ask okay were those things

inevitable are those things just an

inevitable fact of

modern industry now are there aspects

about our direction in history that are

not an inevitability or somehow

essential to modern civilization

but are a result of our corrupted

liberal political system or our kind of

like um liberal order right so that's

what a smart person would say because a

smart person would stop for a moment and

kind of question this very one-sided

very dull and stupid way of looking at

the world i mean that's what i when i

say he's a stupid person i have receipts

he's a genuinely stupid fucking person

you can put to obesity and stuff um

like okay obvious technology saying like

globally

yeah so you're just more talking about

like the global uh

state of like technology and like the

advancement of these sorts of

technological

um improvements and you know access to

input like advanced infrastructure et

cetera that sounds like the network

level yeah probably things that like

western people would point to go like oh

look this we're doing good because i can

tell because of this thing right yeah

that's such a stupid fucking thing to

say

i mean

again

it doesn't matter if you're western or

eastern most people will not measure the

passage of time in a positive light

based on things that they either take

for granted or expect to happen anyway

and that's why i think most people think

we're the direction we're headed into is

broadly um negative

most people are not optimistic about the

future despite

that this i know this is like a stephen

pinker argument well actually

everything's getting better no it's not

because you have a one-sided view of

historical time it makes you a fucking

idiot

well i'm not i'm not really interested

in like western like i'm not i don't

really care about like western people i

think that's kind of a

bullshit category frankly but um

i mean i was saying i was saying more

specifically like i'm in america like

america particularly

do you say that things have gotten

better here let's say in the last 40

years or worse i mean with respect to

what it depends right in terms of like

race relations or like sexism and stuff

yeah i think we've gotten way better in

terms of like

access to education

like you could say the quality you know

one of the issues with understanding

progress and this is something stupid

people can't understand is that

progress is more like a spiral rather

than a straight line and what i mean by

that is that

um in order for something to be the same

as sev is 40 years ago forget about

better but just for it to be the same

it obviously does have to change because

change is an inevitability right

so the question is how has it changed so

things have progressed technologically

right and medically and things that

probably were you can expect those to be

inevitable that doesn't mean we are in a

better state than we were in the 70s

right

um

because it's all relative relative to

the level of change that had occurred by

1970 let's say

um how was life so it's all relative

it's relative to the change that's

inevitable

quality of life or whatever however you

want to put it like

i would say like maybe um the amount of

uh like

like for example

i mean you could probably measure this

like what proportion of

um buildings in the year 1970 were new

compared to 2022 right what percentage

of our cities had new

infrastructure and new buildings

right i mean i actually don't know the

answer to that question but that would

be something to ask is like a

measurement of of whether things have

gotten better or not right quality of

life of people i think is primarily the

thing right because actually 40 years

ago like on average people had more like

disposable income you know and they they

owed a lot less there's uh we had like a

lot less debt like consumer debt and

like at four like medical quality of

life that's like really difficult to

like measure at that point though right

like 40 years ago people might have had

less debt and more disposable income but

like not everybody had a cell phone or

access to the internet right because

those weren't things that existed for

you but they also didn't know that they

didn't have a cell phone so how could

that be like impacting their quality of

life if it's like a good that they don't

they could can only imagine sure i mean

300 years ago people didn't know that

there were cures for cancer so how can

they right i mean i'm not saying that

you're wrong

wait there's cures for cancer what

it's really difficult to quantify like

legitimate yeah it's difficult to

quantify there there isn't really a cure

for a camp what are you what is he

talking about i like what i don't know i

think that's

no no no but i do think that like

quality of life has a lot more to do

with like comparison within like your

immediate like phenomenological like

reality like you know like the immediate

generations around you like the things

you that's like how you really you like

you compare your quality of life like

amongst your peers and amongst people

that like you see or like you've known

of you know what i mean you're not

really comparing it in like this like

absolute like larger sense because you

can't really compare your quality of

life right now to someone like 500 years

ago because it's like a totally

different world like the world works

totally differently you absolutely can

right but i mean like i'm just i'm

saying that it's a true no how would you

do that

well by saying that 500 years ago like

fucking 30 of women died during

childbirth or whatever and that doesn't

happen anymore like that's one way but

they expected that to happen okay but

well i mean if that's if that's what

we're going to say then in that case in

that case every single quality of life

is just neutral because it's always

compared to itself

right like well so then what we would do

is right is we would compare like the

current american quality of life or like

the trajectory of the american quality

of life of the last 40 years to say

other geopolitical uh hegemonies over

the last 40 years in their trajectories

we could compare that way right because

now we're just comparing like with like

like people in the same world historical

moment

i mean i don't know why you think

proximity and time is more important

than proximity in like geography or vice

versa like

could i just point to the fact that

these people live in different worlds

like people 100 years ago lived in

different worlds like that seems strange

to do well i think there's only one

world right so like we all live in like

this world right now we're all alive at

the same time

and in the same space not really because

we're all on the same planet

i'm connected to you right now yeah but

like are you more connected to an

american 30 years ago or to somebody

living in sudan today right i think that

like i think that the time in germany

are both pretty i would say personally

personally i i have a lot more i found

in common with like other with like a

lot of foreigners who i've made friends

with um through the internet and various

other things who are like sort of

um see things on a global perspective

more similarly to me

the gaming kind of makes this really

insufferable and not very um

pleasant to watch

just to be honest this conversation's

gonna be super boring do about things

like i find it very difficult personally

americans yeah so even though i'm

backing up

who do you who do you share more in

common with

like in terms of just like quality of

life things that you do your day-to-day

basis like somebody living in a country

like the united states

today or 30 years ago or

somebody living in like a sub-saharan

impoverished african country right like

i don't think the fact that we all

should buy like a sub-saharan

what do you what do you mean

specifically like i don't know i'm like

africa is like pretty diverse in regards

to sure i used sudan as a country before

right do you do you think that you share

more sudan yeah with somebody that was

like in sudan today um or in one of the

like what like six ongoing genocide

areas today or somebody that like is

from america like 30 years ago right i

think the geography is pretty important

i don't think it's i think

that's not because of geography actually

that's that's such a stupid thing to say

that isn't because of geography um

that has more to do with

just a completely different

um to be honest

you have more in common with the person

in sudan you have more in common with

the person in sudan just not in ways

that

you're necessarily aware of and that's

not always true throughout history

because there's this assumption that

history progresses synchro synchronously

right like the aztecs were completely

cut off

from

the uh the rest of the world so

obviously no you wouldn't share anything

in common with them because they're

actually part of a completely different

historical

um

timeline if you want to put it like that

right just because of the fact there's

no contact content but just by virtue of

sharing the same interconnected world

you do have more in common with the

person in sudan

at a class level on a class level like

the like the uh like what i'm doing to

like survive in the world i probably

have more in common with someone uh in a

similar like class position as i would

be or whatever 30 years ago in a western

as you would say or american

uh country like zone sure but in other

ways the person in the sudan also has

more in common with like we both have

like and when i say that

all the things that you're highlighting

that are in common like you speak the

same language you have similar

lifestyles

that is not what's essential to what

makes up a human being what's essential

to what makes up a human being is the

object of all those things so those

similarities would actually be

superficial similarities and not

essential similarities in order for it

to be an essential similarity it has to

have the same object it has to be part

of the same interconnected world right

i have iphones

um i don't know if that is true in i

don't know across the course of african

countries i don't know how many people

have access to technology but i'm just

saying that like i don't think that it's

um

i don't think access to smartphones is

very very common in africa

iphones are pretty proliferated like

it's been pretty we've hit like pretty

much like we've hit like pretty like

like almost everyone in the world if

they want to have like a smartphone like

has one there's been like i'm almost 100

positive that's not true i don't think

that's the case really i think there's a

lot of places in in africa and poor

people don't even access the internet

no they they don't have access to the

internet but they will like they'll have

these things too like

like because they're used by like larger

they're like handed out kind of by a lot

of like america like what like what do

you think the usaid is doing over there

like you know the whole there's so many

programs of like giving people this

technology out there it's a big part of

like our like geopolitical strategy

right now you have like elon musk trying

to like you know put up starlink or

whatever so we can tie like the entire

african continent to like our internet

right because like we're so like these

things are already proliferating like

that's what i'm saying i'm saying i

think you'd be surprised how much

people have iphones all over the world

you know or just like phones in general

those are proliferated really fast

okay um

what do you want to go with this or

what's the

oh i was still so basically like my my

contention i think where we probably

disagree the most right is that i see

america on like a trajectory towards

noble woman thank you so much man

like like a very negative trajectory

over like the last 40 years and i see

that getting worse

um and i don't think that things in

america specifically are getting better

or have been getting better for a while

i think things have been getting

continually worse with respect to what

the well-being like the quality of life

like the way people imagine their

futures to be like just pretty much

almost any imaginable metric well so

like of like the reason why i'm playing

here is like

because like medically we've made

improvements technological improvements

like with respect to what in more

particular things you think of we

actually have like like the the the uh

life expectancy has actually dropped

right in america over this time period

sure but dropped why

for myriad reasons right well i think

you guys have suicide and opiate like

overdoses it's not like our medical

technology has gotten worse right

well well partially because like people

don't want to go to the doctor and

things like this because obviously our

health care system is like

um okay so i'm going to pull those guys

i watched

the rest of it

so after this part i've watched the rest

of it

and i don't really i'm not really

particularly interested in watching the

rest of it again

but i am interested in um having logo on

so let me actually message him

because i do have some things i want to

talk to him about

so let me ask him

um yeah what dusty said was so fucking

stupid he was like

oh

life got better oh what about all the um

the life expectancy well that's just

because of suicides and opiates that

would clearly indicators that life has

gotten better right an increase in

suicide and opium overdosage it's very

clearly uh an example that life has

gotten better but i'm gonna message logo

i just messaged him now

and maybe if he's uh

let me actually text him

uh

yeah i i'm interested in um

hearing what he thinks right

because you know honestly that destiny

guys he's uh

can we stop pretending like

anyone's ever engaged with destiny for

any other reason than the fact that he

has a big community and i think people

need to stop being impressed by that

fact

because

at this point you know i mean for

example

you have someone like tyler1 right

tyler1 and then

at a certain level it doesn't matter

what he does he's always going to

maintain a solid community

that will ride or die with him forever

just because he's been in it for so long

and just because of the memories and the

history and things like that right so at

what point we shouldn't really be

looking for oh what's the key to

destiny's success what's the formula to

a success i don't really think there's a

formula to his success i just think he's

a legacy streamer

who's you know used to be up there with

like the really big ones and then he's

fallen off a great deal and he's

retained a core community of sickle fans

um that's pretty much all we're doing

like

he's not someone we should take

seriously or like uh

you know

whose

view of things or understanding or

anything we should respect it's just

because he has viewers that's it

like any dumbass can can have viewers

right

all right i'm interest

all right he's not really responding

which sucks

ah fuck which sucks a lot

okay i guess we're gonna continue

watching it until he responds i'll give

it look i'll give it five more minutes

until he responds and then if he doesn't

i'll give it like 10 more minutes 10

more minutes if logo doesn't respond

we're just going to stop watching it

okay

a complete racket and like totally

atrocious like a crime oh i don't think

that's what i don't think that's what

people attribute the

lowering uh life is technically it's

because of the amount i think it was

because of suicide and i think it's

because of opiate um overdoses this is

why it fell for the first time suicide

and opiate overdoses right that's an

interesting thing like deaths of despair

being like raising quite drastically

over the same time period that's

interesting like why do you think that

is

um probably because people are lonely

would you might guess

lonely purpose why are they lonely

either they are really bad at

socializing they don't have very many

friends we don't make good spaces in

society today for people to find each

other and socialize with each other we

become a little bit too atomized

especially with the internet why is that

so probably i think i think

technologically i think is a big reason

why a lot of this is happening now

so like we made the internet and the

internet kind of destroyed um our like

social fabric

creating like a new social fabric which

is like the internet right like now the

internet is the social fabric

okay

so like why where'd the internet come

from

why do we have the internet obama um i

imagine you have some big philosophical

reason why so why don't you just tell me

no it's not really philosophical it's

more of like a historical question you

know like who developed the internet

like who funded it like why was it

together i mean i think the us military

originally used it for messaging and

then i think that two people at some

universities figured out that they could

like ping each other back and forth and

then i think that it grew out of some

like universities like research projects

and people kind of messing around and

then eventually there was like a

business application for it and then it

slowly grew from there

yeah yeah but pretty much that's a

that's like a good short way of putting

it i mean it kind of develops out of the

same like sort of scientific like i

think logos point here and again this is

why destiny is genuinely a dull and you

know stupid person i mean

it's

oh thank you abel troll speeches it's

pretty like unambiguous unambiguously a

stupid person um logo is trying to say

that you can't just isolate the internet

as a variable for why this is because

everything is interconnected right why

is it that the internet was able to

replace our concrete social bonds why

why did we allow it to happen like what

about our concrete social bonds was the

internet very good at simulating and

replicating and why have we lost a

fundamental sense of sociality and

humanity uh and what does that say about

that right i mean that's what you really

have to ask you can't just say oh it's

because of technology right because by

isolating technology as a variable

you're making it seem like technology is

not an inexorable part of our humanity

right

uh which it is so when you ask the

question

why have we lost any semblance of real

sociality um

you have to actually go a little deeper

than just say oh this goes technology it

doesn't really tell you anything

research um

you could call this like war socialism

or something under like fdr like going

into world war ii like the this is like

where the cia the oss like all of these

things are being developed at the same

time you have this like whole network of

like imperial

democracy right like this new imperial

technocracy that we put together during

world war ii and uh like that did the

manhattan project all these things i

mean the manhattan project directly

carries over into like the early days i

like darpa and things of building the

internet because the internet is

designed ultimately to be like a

continuity of governance manager for uh

like a post-nuclear state like if we had

this internet um then you know it would

be much more difficult to destroy our

like means of communication and things

in a nuclear exchange so like that's why

you built the internet

okay

like that so like basically what i'm

saying right is like for so in that same

sort of way that like this was the thing

that we created like more so i would say

even than the the atomic bomb was uh are

sort of advances in like propaganda

propagandistic like technology media um

media proliferate like media technology

these sorts of things are what really

work i do recall

um destiny said a lot of really stupid

things in this conversation like he's

for example destiny said he's just the

most naive stupid shit and it's like

you gotta ask like this guy he's

supposed to be a nerd who knows things

and it's just

he goes

um language is just how we convey our

experiences of qualia to one another

like what like

it's like it's how many centuries has it

been since the critique of pure reason

and someone's saying that language is

merely how we convey experiences to one

another like that is the most stupid

fucking thing i've ever heard it's like

where does language itself come from

first of all there is no such thing as a

pure experience or some kind of sense

impression

that somehow magically gets translated

into language which we then ship and

package to convey to other people no i

mean the whole point of the critique of

pure region is that the world is already

structured in such a fashion that it

appears to us

in a way that is

um transcendentally structured by

the very same source that language comes

from so it's like in other words

language shapes the world as much as it

gives expression to it right

and that's pretty much like in like a

like a like a fucking axiom for any

i don't even want to say you know like

if you've ever read a book in your life

that's an axiom the fact that language

actually structures the world and

doesn't just

convey sense impressions i mean like

what this is like it's like fucking

1600's anglo empiricism

but at least that anglo empiricism was

based on like fucking alchemy and the

occult and like you know a sense object

was actually some kind of like

mysterious kind of like mystical thing

in this case let's say it's just like

video game logic right

and it's like the foundation of like our

empire is like public relations and like

advertising like you could call this

psychological warfare i mean it's all

really the same thing

um

and like so this is the thing that we

built we like perfected this as an art

but it's also like sort of now destroyed

like our social fabric like by doing

this

by creating this america that we live in

now we destroyed the social fabric that

like gave rise to in the first place let

me just see if i can call him

oh fuck i have to add him as a friend

uh

okay

like that's why that's my explanation

for why things are like getting

continually worse in america it's

because like we don't have a social

fabric through like decades of like

psychological warfare and um

manipulating of um you know like

socialist movements and things like that

like people fighting for uh like the

quality of life the working class for

like say a right to health care or right

to all of these sorts of things these

were like the the number one enemy to

the like this like technocratic imperial

governance that was put in during like

during world war one and world war ii

through the cold war and uh these are

the people who like truly run things in

this country and they're running us into

the ground like uh like they don't

particularly hate their life about

andy except as like abstract like human

resources in their game theoretical

uh like war plans and things like this

right now gotcha so what are we supposed

to do what's the next step

what do you what should what do you do

in a situation like that like right like

you could say like well what what's

elect candidates right

what i think we should do well i don't

really think there's like we don't have

that much agency right now in this

historical moment like i think that

things are going to get a lot worse

before there's even an opportunity to

all like alter the structures

the reason i'm waiting is because if

logo

it's like it's like if he doesn't come

on i just want to get right into dugan

but let's say i'm in the middle of dugan

and he finally gets back to me it's like

okay but it's i can't just interrupt you

know what i mean like i want to do it

first

we're like enslaved by here right like

so i'm like i'm like a long-term

optimist i'm an optimist globally but in

regards to specifically america i'm like

a very very pessimistic about like the

next say 50 years of american history

so this is like a really tough um

damn

fuck

i don't i shouldn't have fuck

okay

you think i'm right i should have

prepared for this book but he was like

in the middle of a conversation you know

i should have prepared for it before

though

like what do you how do you feel about

that like when you agree like would you

feel differently

um yeah i probably feel a little bit

pessimistic but for different reasons

but um

like what are you pessimistic about

um

i i mean like things like misinformation

all right you know what i'm gonna do

alright he's down he's down

all right uh

let me um

yep he's gonna come on he's down

let me uh do this discord shit

[Music]

there we go all right

all right he's here

hey what's up man

oh what's up

yeah i saw the whole thing i didn't

cover the whole thing on stream because

i was late

um i caught i saw the whole thing and um

first i want to ask you what do you what

was your impression what do you think of

him

um he's like i mean i talk to people

that are have pretty much the same views

on everything that he has like all the

time so i wasn't really like i don't

know like i just feel like he's like

very dismissive he's very like defensive

he's like hard to like he kept saying

that i was bouncing around on topics but

it was like any time i was like trying

to stick to one thing he'd eventually

just like table it and i feel like i was

like being patient and being like okay

well let's talk about something else

then but i don't know i think he was

just like trying to find something to

like he's not really interested in

having a conversation

i don't think like generally like i

think it's like pure like i was calling

him like a rhetorical gladiator you know

like he's just looking for

like a sort of scuffle over red wreck

like

i'm not interested in doing it when it

comes to that thing where he like asks

you something and um you respond he's

like oh you're talking about something

else now he has this thing where it's

like if you don't give him the answer he

wants he's claiming that you're pivoting

but when you apply a mark obtained too

yeah yeah like if you are then you would

know what i was going to reply but like

you're mad that i'm not being a markov

bot actually

yeah but he does he does the same thing

but worse you know so it's like

he

like for him a pivot means he didn't

give you the answer he expected so what

i think about destiny psychologically is

that i've kind of built like a

psychological profile a little bit of

him and when it comes down to it he is a

pretty much like a pervert and a pervert

thinks they pretty much like to put it

in layman's terms

a pervert thinks they know it already

they already know the object of all

discourse of every possibility

yeah they already know it right so when

he asks you a question and he's really

confident that there's only one way to

answer the question and then you upset

his expectation that actually that's not

the only way this question could be

answered he'll be like oh you just

pivoted you're talking about something

else now and you're rambling with a

markov chain right

but

one thing i do disagree with you about

that you said is that you said you don't

think

he's a stupid person and

that's kind of confusing i don't think

he is

no i think that because you have to be

pretty smart or like there's a type of

intelligence i think he has a lot of

social intelligence actually like i

don't know if he's like

that intelligent on like like i don't

know like what iq test or whatever the

fuck people mean by that but i think

he's like very good at like like um he

talks a lot about his like teenage years

or whatever and like manipulating friend

groups and things like that like i think

he's really good at like social

engineering and this is actually how he

was describing how he felt language

worked in the first place like when we

were talking about language is that he

basically views language as like you're

creating tools to like manipulate the

emotional responses of others um like

every word like you're trying to guess

in your mind what this word means to the

other person and you're like using words

in a sort of way to manipulate their

sentiments based off of like your

understanding of their meaning of this

word or whatever right

well oh yeah that part was kind of

embarrassing to me because

it's like i i this is supposedly an

educated person he pretty much

was giving this really just something

extremely outdated like the most naive

empiricist view of what i mean like

doesn't everyone admit that language

structures the world and it's not

something that

it's just derivative well i guess i

don't like sense impression i mean it

just sounds like a really archaic like

primitive stone age like you know like

1600s yeah and i mean like it's

literally

it's really like not metaphysically

serious but you know like i don't know

like he's just like he was saying that

effectively you know there's like

logical so like literally like if you

read like girdle or like you know

victims like he was trying to bring up

wittgenstein at the end and he was

saying that like he thought that i

didn't understand wittgenstein but i

think he's actually gotten like the sort

of like positivist like reception of

wickenstein and like anglo atlantic like

con like philosophy analytical

philosophy yeah and that the way that

they interpreted wittgenstein is like

like this horrific monstrosity no i mean

even in that regard destiny's not

educated like if you ask him about like

um

if you ask him about uh

you know car nap or like actual analytic

philosophers or anything he won't be

able to tell you anything i mean this

guy literally just

um

everything is based on things he's

learned on he's never actually like done

any offline yeah i mean he was saying

effectively that like when he does

information like it's kind of ironic

because he was saying that i just go

from my macro perspective and just try

to like pick and choose things on a

micro perspective that support it but

he's actually just describing the exact

same thing that he was describing as his

process of research for debates where

he's like picked a position on a macro

level and then he goes and finds a bunch

of studies to support what he's saying

and then he uses that as like that's

like his rhetorical technique like

that's the proper way that's how you

critically engage as he was describing

so he was described that's like

literally his process like

yeah the thing is

that he projects like everyone's always

projecting like people project all the

time and they hate it and almost never

recognize when they're doing it

themselves i mean i also project on to

other people i mean everyone does it all

the time no one's really aware of it but

like it's was pretty clear that he like

was projecting his own like methodology

onto me and it's like not actually at

all how i do things

you mentioned something about social

intelligence and the thing that kind of

gets me that's a little interesting is

um

there's kind of two ways i engage with

people right the first way is kind of

like okay good faith intellectual let's

just

let's talk in in the spirit of ideas

let's talk in the spirit of like

disinterested no bullshit you know let i

call let's say the meat and potatoes of

it right a symposium yeah yeah let's

talk in that way and then there's the

other side of me which is like the more

social kind

where i'm laid back laughing and there's

that's where the social intelligence

comes in

and

it's so weird because you mentioned

social intelligence and

in his case you know if you zoom like

the what he does is that when you're

talking to him in the spirit of the

ideas and you're not interested in

playing social games because you're not

friends you're being very formal you're

being professional he'll insert that

shit

and it'll make him look feel like he

looks good or something but you zoom out

and it's like okay well how about we

don't have any spirit of the eyes and we

just have the social thing right in that

case uh he's a fucking twerp and you

have to understand like

uh i know a little bit about like his

social circles and on twitch and like

all that kind of oh yeah he's not like

dude you have to understand he's not a

well-respected

he's somebody

in high school who was a band kid right

and yeah he did he made he had he had a

lot of

like shit like he took ap classes you

know he's like an honor student so he's

a lot riding on his like self-conception

as like one of these like elite of the

mind right and this is like how he's

manipulating like his social sphere in

that sort of life but you have to

understand his social sphere to be clear

his social sphere is going to be the

other band kids it's not going to be

exactly the normal kid yeah no no

because at the end of the day i think

that like like i'm not trying to sway

his audience like i don't i don't expect

that i like swayed much of his audience

but what i did know is that there's a

lot of people who just like watch him

who aren't like um as

innately attached to him like in the

same way he has like a lot of like

hardcore super fans but he has even more

just like sort of neutral watchers who

like don't even necessarily agree with

him but like would just find him to be

someone who's like like he's pretty

straight up in like what he believes i

think right like he's not that slippery

regarding his own positions um so like

for instance i already got like reached

out from a bunch of people i know like

in sf like tech people or whatever who

watch destiny i didn't even know they're

destiny watchers but they're like yo bro

what the fuck you were on there i was

like yeah so it's like there's a lot of

people watching who are like you know i

think they are aware of that he's like a

bit of a twerp as well so i was really

just trying to be like a patient like

person and just come off um well what

i'm trying to say i'm not trying to be

antagonistic if you notice something

that i you know would see in high

schools or like middle schools

especially middle i mean high school

wasn't that

it wasn't like that at least for me

middle school was more like primal right

and i noticed them in middle school that

in the groups of let's call them nerds

or band kids or like you know the kind

of like weird more weirder kids right

the people that destiny would be a part

of

it's very brutal there right you'd think

that these are the people who are kind

of like oh yeah

yeah and

destiny i imagine he's the guy who like

he considers himself an apex predator

because he preys on the fellow band kid

socially inept weaklings but then you

you zoom out like you like for example

destiny is a loser among the normies of

twitch he's like no one respects him he

has no authority he doesn't have any

social intelligence he's considered a

weirdo like

that's it right but among like losers

fellow losers and band kids that's where

the kind of but it's i don't what i'm

trying to say is i'm kind of pushing

back on what you're saying because i'm

saying i don't really think he has

social intelligence

yeah you're right not in like the large

like mean yeah because like regarding

like his attempt to deal with like

mainstream democratic politics is like

they immediately kicked him out because

yeah

like he's he's repellent to like but

what i'm saying is that it does require

like a certain type of social

intelligence to be like let's say like

the machiavellian leader of the band

kids you know who are like all like

pretty i see that i think what it stems

more from to me is um

more this kind of

willingness to

go places others won't go to

not necessarily because you're more

intelligent but because you're more

willing to engage and kind of like

disregard basic human decency more and

basically disregard any sense of

morality i think that's more weird like

the bravery like it's like this position

of like precisely

for example he destiny will be brave

enough to defend child pornography and

the abuse of children yeah that's it

that's exactly what i'm talking about

brave enough to suggest that like

consensual incest there's no

there's no

reason for that yeah that's not that's

not necessarily intelligent but it is

something that it does challenge right

and people respect the challenge because

it's not very easy to kind of like it's

like okay

like for example he's like okay yeah i

am a cook what of it and then it's like

okay

on the one hand like for children or for

teenagers that's kind of hard to

challenge because like at the end of the

day you know who cares right you don't

really have these underlying unconscious

associations that adults have like

through experience that allows you to

really like understand

how fucked up that is or how

dishonorable or how shameful yeah it is

right really

level that like his audience is only

judging things on this like this level

of like dramatic performance where it's

like oh this person got mad so like

they're cringe and it's like because

destiny has no real sense of shame uh

such that like he can't really be like

like i mean ultimately when he's being

insulted it probably does bother him but

he's very good at like presenting as if

he has like complete detachment from

these things and that he's just like you

know like a kind of neutral arbiter and

that he has like no illusions about

himself and that he's not hiding

anything about himself and i don't think

he really does hide that much about

himself he probably if he's hiding

anything it's as much uh it's more like

like his weaknesses you know

like i i think there's i think you're

kind of right in the sense there's not

this is what you have to understand what

comes destiny there's not much he has to

hide you just need to have a bigger

picture of things i mean it seems like

he's a significant person because of his

following but his following is not

particularly impressive given his

background as like a pro he was like a

tyler1 type of like really like ninja

tyler one kind of yeah i remember back

in starcraft 2 days man yeah so i mean

that's where it all comes from and it's

not particularly impressive that he's

maintained the following he has given

the extent to which he was able to like

acquire

uh it in the first place in the

beginning right so

but what really what it really comes

down to is you just have to see the

bigger picture and understand like this

guy's a fucking loser right

and i don't just mean to to to denigrate

him when i say that i mean to say like

when it comes to the real world and all

of the basic unwritten norms that define

what will gain a human being respect and

what gain what allows them to gain real

world clout and significance and like

their word recognition like recognition

their word actually mattering like he is

not he doesn't satisfy that criteria

whatsoever

um another thing too is that

he's going to be remembered like he's

like it's not like his name is going to

echo down no of course not of course not

like but what i find really pathetic is

it's like

i don't i'm not a very judgmental person

right i can engage in a good faith

conversation with anyone a disinterested

one

but it seems like with people like

destiny what they'll do is they'll be

like okay you're having a conversation

with someone where you're trying to talk

about things and that aren't about

that it's like you're not trying to be

destiny's friend you're not trying to

impress him you're not trying to like

you know get pussy out of this you're

not trying to like you know um climb

some social ladder among the band kids

you just want to have as you put it it's

the same no nope sorry i can't fucking

say it

um

symposium yeah you want to have that

symposium

where um you know you're gonna be really

mature and kind of professional formal

just in a sense like okay we're not

going to actually make this about like

you know i don't know you you don't know

me but here are the ideas right

and it seems like when you try to do

that with him he tries to like go left

he'll be like no no what are the like

rhetorical and social implications of

all this shit

and what's especially pathetic about

that to me is that it's like well

destiny if i tell you the truth about

what i think about you at that level

like i think you're a loser i think

you're someone who would be a band kid

in high school who i would never hang

out with at all because like i genuinely

think you're like you know a boring

weirdo loser or whatever right but i

don't say that because i'm trying to

actually focus on the spirit of the

ideas right

well the thing is though is that like

his part of his rhetorical performance

is to pull everything down to that level

because then you can just like

constantly suspend

the actual discussion of ideas

yeah

no there's like a few times where it's

like you know it's like okay well i just

said a lot of things and you just like

right after i've said this like you know

i've done a lot of considering of what

i'm going to say and i've thought about

this for a long time so this is like how

i see it and he's like that's nonsense

and it's like well you know

it isn't but you know if like that's

just so if we like okay like that's it

then right like i think what it all

comes down to really is and this is what

i said when i first started going on

stream like all of this shit is just a

matter of

it's literally as simple as good faith

or bad faith so i get it that the burden

is usually on you to like

you know demonstrate that what you're

saying has some merit or significance

right but in order for that to be um

appreciated someone does have to um

create an opening in their web of

associations

where like you'll say something and

he'll be like oh you know what that

actually does remind me of something and

then that's the ground of a discussion

like he gave you the charity of good

faith right where he was able to connect

something within his

um you know

let's just say web of associations with

something you said and that's how a

conversation an interesting conversation

can proceed but he is beginning with

this kind of initial

presumption

that you have nothing

of any significance or importance to say

and to be honest with your logo

the reason for that is because of your

association with me if you were not

associated with me

he might have actually um

like engaged with you in an actual more

charitable and good faith way it's just

he saw that you were associated with me

so it's like okay

uh i'm just going to assume the

conclusion you're like a complete dumb

ass who doesn't like you you have

nothing of any value or importance to

say

and

i mean it's like you could you could

pretty much do that you could do that to

anyone right especially if you have a

bigger following and a bigger audience

that's going to like

encourage or um

validate your ability to do that anyone

could fucking do that to anyone you know

yeah i mean i didn't expect like any to

like change his mind or anything i just

wanted to see like how it would go like

i was just like curious i don't know

yeah i thought it was interesting when

yeah like definitely got like a lot of

clarity as to like what specific topics

like made him like i could tell like

when he was like not confident in his

when he's not confident in his like

knowledge or like his ability to like

dominate the rhetorical playing field

like he's gonna quickly sachet to

another one because he's not interested

in learning anything like he well he

said something really dumb he said math

is a priori right

yeah yeah he said he said our ability to

have math is a pre-order and i said okay

if that's true

um

doesn't that say something about the a

priori nature of language itself and i'm

not talking about like um

you know grammar specifically or like

chomsky's universal grammar anything

or um you know the way in which we

pronounce words but just the ability to

make things intelligible

i mean that is up the same alley as the

ability to

um

have a sense of abstract quantity right

the ability to it's just all about form

in general and that's what language

really is language gives expression

to form right at some

some level

so language is like almost form itself

yeah exactly yeah like like the world

doesn't have form yeah like we create

form like through this sort of like

language is like also like deeper than

just like word sounds and things like

that it's like the community it's like

communicability itself and like the

reason like well that's actually

something um i also think that's really

stupid

yeah nature has no outline but like

imagination has like right like we like

there's objects like in and of

themselves do not have like determinate

edges like you could imagine or you

could even look at the world as one

singular object with like just things

emerging and rising out of it as like

one like the universe is like one total

object or whatever in which like you

know we're just like fingernail

clippings from this like you know like

you can look at things like that like

there's no necessity of like

differentiating any object from any

other object or whatever like we do this

because we've like created these

outlines like that's what our

intelligence does like that's what our

imaginations do it's like what

consciousness does

yeah i mean like even if it even if that

wasn't the case though i think it's

important to bear in mind

that

you know this idea that he was trying to

get that like language is just about

communication i fundamentally disagree

with that um if anything

i mean this is uh

if language is the basic form of thought

and you know being and thinking are the

same like which is from parmenides or

whatever if i'm pronouncing that

correctly

um

language is actually not about

communication it's about giving

expression in some kind of way

to truth language is about being it's

not actually about communication if

anything

communication is

downstream from the

fundamental um

let's call it

the fundamental uh

split within the world that gives rise

to the necessity of its reflection in

language when you communicate something

you're not communicating objects in the

world

what you're doing is you're

communicating

the variability to make those the very

let's not ability the very structure out

of which those objects are intelligible

so it's like if you want to put it in

lacon's terms or like you know i don't

want to like

uh

bring jargon to this but like for lacon

language is like comes from this

symbolic order right this order of

signifiers and unconscious associations

we have and that's what's being

communicated it's the very symbolic

order itself that's being and our like

social status and our position that's

what communication is communication is

the communication of the transcendental

structure of the world if you want to

put it in that way it's not actually the

communication

of like some one-sided and undialectical

notion of things in themselves you know

yeah i mean the thing is is that all of

this is like in order to talk about

anything at this level you have to have

someone who's interested in talking

about things at this level but if you

have someone who's just like a naive

realist or whatever you know they

believe in like this sort of like sense

certainty but then their ultimate

i couldn't believe you said that i

couldn't believe he said like what do

you even do when he said actual

discourse in his cosmos he actually

doesn't believe in conversations like he

just believes that there's like you know

that like effectively you know he's like

he was effectively saying right that

like the superior like western countries

who have like better morals and ethics

or whatever are also stronger like the

reason why we have like such a strong

military presence across the world is

because we're better

like that's like his description of

things like yeah like i couldn't it's

totally circular i couldn't actually

believe he said something so naive that

language is just the communication of

experiences and specifically the ex

the experience of like of like what like

sense datum like

what

he doesn't understand how fundamentally

archaic

and that view of the like i mean if he

claim doesn't he claim to like

understand philosophy or something like

how could you have any philosophical

background and just

no one doesn't by the way it's like you

know no one believes he doesn't he

thinks it's boring like because

i want to know how to defend my points

like all i care about is winning the

return yeah but to be clear

yeah but to be clear gorgeous like he's

a sophist he doesn't care about truth he

doesn't even believe it exists yeah but

to be clear like people need to know

this

the view empiricism the notion that like

the object

of thought is just

something out there the empirical

objects right

that is like so crazy

that the only people who seriously like

who take empiricism seriously

after let's call it um

uh the the experience of analytical

philosophy in the 20th century right

that's people like delus delos who have

these crazy views of like these

lovecraftian views of like the empirical

sense object like that's

empiricism is not a mainstream position

it's so stupid how people call

themselves empiricists

like the the successors of the

empiricist whether the positivist or the

post-positivists

they don't actually believe that

you can say or know anything about some

kind that's like too metaphysical for

them for them

it's uh

it's the way in which the data is

structured right it's it's not about the

consistency of our knowledge with some

external world that's too metaphysical

it's about the consistency of our

knowledge

with like the structures right

uh

that we create arbitrarily like

it's literally all windy yeah lindy like

like every like the lindy hermeneutic

where it's like this thing has existed

it will continue to exist it is lindy if

so fact like that's the empiricist

circle is like destiny is like nato is

lindy you know i think like

what do you

i don't know i mean

one of this is also something i was

saying is like i think the only reason

is this kind of trolling him at this

point because i was thinking like should

we get kant bot on to like

uh metaphorically i think it would go

pretty much the same way

but i feel like kantbot since his name

is kantbot i think he would

metaphorically castrate destiny with the

kantian scissors and just

it would lead to a total collapse of his

whole world view all right i think what

would happen is that uh he would just

start interrupting kb when he was like

using like specific like philosophical

terminology which he would do uh purely

reactively because the words would be

like he'd be recognizing that the like

words are hitting him and like he's not

understanding and when he's in a

position of like not understanding he's

like in a position of weakness

rhetorically so then he'll try to like

you know move it on to something else

like you're not going to pull a real

conversation out of this guy it's not

possible like i think i proved that like

you know i don't know how much more

patient or like i could have been like i

was really i was trying i don't know i

think like

it's not just um

nerdy people that watch him it's more

like the vicious cunt band kid

who's like

somehow on the one hand very low on like

the social hierarchy or whatever but on

the other hand um

and and all of their

all of their ability to like do anything

in life comes from like

supposedly using their head they're kind

of like these

people who think for a living right

but they don't engage in any kind of

creative use of thought

and it's kind of this interesting

paradox like on the one hand they're

nerds brain warriors it's just a

psychological warrior you know like well

that's the thing it's like

to what extent does it actually

work in or does does it to what extent

does it actually demonstrate any

understanding of psychology at what

point is this just using clout and using

like the

following you have to kind of like

guess push a narrative and then

collectively celebrate

well his actually

what i like about destiny is that he's

sort of like a little microcosm of like

the hegemony we have he's like does

everything that like our prevailing

hegemony does like you know what i mean

like he's literally done like false flag

attacks on like people's communities and

things i don't know if he's done that

recently but he's definitely talked

about doing things like that you know

like organizing raids and things like

that and like you know the sort of

subterranean networks of

like clout and you know influencer

economies or whatever um that's like

what's interesting about him so uh

yeah i mean he did the same thing right

where it's like like okay we just don't

want to talk about nato like this

terminator okay like we just won't talk

about it like we're gonna start talking

about it but then like for instance he

turned my claim where i was like nato's

basically the fourth reich and then he

wanted to turn this claim into like that

i was saying specifically the like ss

specifically was nato or whatever and

it's like that's not really what i mean

like well again all you gotta understand

is that

this community they're literally a bunch

of dumb fucks it's like it decides

like i didn't expect anything else dude

no i know but they're dumb fucks and

everything they think of you is gonna be

based on how much charity destiny does

if he wakes up on the wrong side of his

bed and decides to be bad faith

you know his community is going to speak

negatively of you you know

yeah of course yeah so it's all it comes

down to like

there's nothing you're saying that's

inherently you know

too complicated or ridiculous like

people's willingness to be able to think

about it and take it seriously is gonna

come from

what there's how their streamers

reacting to it

i mean yeah that's pretty much

that's it you know i mean it's not it's

like

it's very basic shit i i didn't really

expect things to go um any other way i

just thought it would be interesting to

see like what in particular would be

like you know i just wanted to know what

his response was to certain things it's

just very clear he doesn't read and like

frankly if you don't read then you can't

really have that large of

uh like knowledge like books are like

literally like the only relevant media

that exists

for most time periods of history like if

you want to have access to you know

understanding most time periods in

history and the way people thought or

whatever you have to read like there's

no other way like he was like well you

can watch documentaries it's like well

ultimately

that's a script you know i think i think

the issue with him is that

he doesn't have this idea of like this

is something i was gonna talk about

later like a hermeneutic circle right

yeah he doesn't have this idea that like

every instance of a particular judgment

is informed

by some kind of holistic understanding

and vice versa every holistic

understanding

is going to only have reference in its

particular instances

he's very exactly there's nothing that

coordinates all of these things there's

just like people brute forcing like

through uh their own individual

experimentation and like what he really

means is like you know he knows more

because it like he's done more or

whatever like you know so he's like like

he has money and he goes all around and

like you know he's out all these

different experiences and so he's like

yeah like i have like um he'll be like

do you really think that like you could

present an idea that hasn't been

presented to me before like you know

he's king solomon you know he's like the

world weary

he's he's

it's like you know he's he's he's jaded

with everything in the world you know

because he's already he knows everything

like wow isn't that really cool like

it'd be really cool to be someone who's

like like over like already figured

everything out

yeah i i honestly think it's just really

a really sad and well what were you

actually you kind of just wanted to see

how it would go right

yeah i didn't expect it to go that's how

i think it is too but i think his main

thing is bit pretty much this kind of

thing where it's like uh okay why should

i care

yeah i mean sometimes i do that too

though like you know i was like okay

like sometimes like you know people

presume that people care i don't think

that like you know like for instance

like we care about very different things

for instance he'd be like well like the

u.n considered this like criminal or

whatever and i'd be like well i don't

really care like you know no no i know

but what i'm trying to say is that

he doesn't he doesn't um

he doesn't present himself as having

this kind of like he's very

anti-platinus you know he doesn't

present himself as having this

contingent yet holistic sense of truth

so

when you say something he's not gonna be

like oh you're contesting my worldview

he's gonna be like

you are saying nothing of any meaning i

mean like whereas for you and exactly if

someone says something

we're going to take seriously the fact

that there's some meaning there right so

we're going to be like okay i don't i do

not think it is possible to say

something that has no meaning

yeah i literally believe that is

fundamentally possible like even if you

were like completely like you you've had

your brain fucked up and you're like old

and you like dementia and you're using

the wrong words for things like every

one of your utterances still would have

meaning even if you're using all of the

wrong words you know what i mean like

it's just kind of like insane to me to

suggest that there's like anything that

doesn't have meaning to it

what people don't know is that you know

schizophrenics everything they say has

meaning it's just

the object of their speech is the very

pain

of not being able to align

it's not that they have a secret meaning

that they're trying to get out

it's that they're struggling with

the affect of meaninglessness itself

and that's what's so tragic about it and

that is meaningful i mean that's a

meaning frankly that itself has meaning

in it you know

like if you're like talking like you

know for instance like if you take if

i'm like okay like i know like what

things i like or couldn't do that would

like get me shut down pretty fast for

instance if i was like well like you

think like i was trying to do this when

i was asking him about like stories

right like is there any like authority

to like a story or like this just like

narrative in general like you know the

way the stories we tell each other and

like you know this use of language in

that sense to like narrativize and to

like bring order to things does this

have any like predictive power or

meaning and it's like it's really

difficult to say no but he was basically

saying no you know or like we moved off

of that subject really fast because if

you grant that then it's like well then

there actually is like a lot of meaning

to like things like the bible or like

you know these narratives but i think

that's like very boring for him like as

you said he found homer boring it's like

what what if you find homer bor it's

like do you even like what like what do

you like what even matters then like the

the homeric epics

are boring teo like

who are you

are you i think you are maybe you're

fucking wrong maybe you are not like

like you were the one who's failing them

you know like there's this there's just

pride to it that i like don't understand

where it's like when people confront

something that they don't understand

there's like one way where it's like oh

wow like i want to be able to understand

this because i don't and then there's

like i don't understand this um and it

that means it's meaningless well no no

here's what it comes down to he's trying

to get the best of both worlds like on

the one hand

he's trying to be like oh i'm this

brainy guy and it'll forgive me for

being such a twerp it's because of my

big brain it's like okay if that's your

angle you do have to respect homer you

can't just act like oh no i look no you

don't look cool you look like a fucking

loser you have nothing like if you're a

genuinely charming cool person like you

know i don't know if you're some kind of

like um energy

or something no no i mean no i'm saying

like if you're like uh aiden ross or

something let's just say like that you

don't ha yeah then it you know you're

not gonna get crucifer

not liking homer but like destiny your

only supposed value comes from

pretending to be like an intellectual

with a big brain you know so

you know it's not like you're some like

you know

particularly funny charming person you

know

so it's uh that's that's what i'm

talking about with the contradiction at

hand it's like on the one hand they want

to be like these nerds

on the other hand

they're these philistines and it's like

the most ugly combination you could

possibly have you know

it's like i said it's the vicious cunt

band kid that's exactly what it is

yeah it's like student council elections

and that sort of thing like you learn

how to

there's like a whole subset of skills

for that you know and like i know his

background sort of it like makes sense i

know a lot of people who come out like

that you know it's like not that unique

um there's like like that's why so many

people watch him because like you know

there's a lot of people who

have like we we have this sort of like

eugenic grooming of like these honors

students right like whereas like oh like

you've been selected as like like you've

been enlightened selected for your

innate intelligence or whatever and it's

like you are have like this divine right

and like destiny above the people who

weren't selected and like granted honors

or like you know be in the ap classes or

whatever

there's like that whole thing like i

think that's like one of the worst

aspects of like american culture is that

we have this like universe like

god like the the narcissistic gifted

kids society like it's so fucking

disgusting

like everyone like you know oh i like

went to college so i'm like better than

that honestly i think unironically i

think the issue comes down to

there's not enough bullying

and i say that on ironically like

these people

for some reason were forgiven and not

bullied and

i think that i don't think that's true i

think they are the bullies like that's

what no i that's what i'm trying to tell

you is they're they're only the bullies

among the victims themselves like

they're not actually the bullies at the

top of the food chain these are like

they're it's almost like they're the

lumber how bullying works though they're

like the lump and petite bourgeoisie

they're not actually like

the bourgeoisie they're the lord

yeah is that like the idea that like you

know like the really high status guy in

like high school or whatever was the

bully like the popular guy etc that's

never been true you're right that's like

you're right the mythology created by

this like machiavellian band kid people

but i think i think themselves on to

that but i think people over how it's

been i think these like vicious band

kids

do need to kind of be put in their place

you know they kind of get too much of a

free reign

well yeah i mean like the our empire is

designed to like cultivate them and like

give them as much power as possible so

yeah

it's difficult i mean like that's why

it's like i wouldn't like i hate the

whole like pro bullying thing though

because it's like really ultimately like

what that means is like more people like

this

like that's what this is

yeah i mean

i kind of find it weird like well this

is what i'm saying when people say oh

you're getting bullied

what i don't get is like how is it just

it's only because he has more viewers

that it looks that way

and people can't wrap that around their

fucking head it's only because he has

more viewers there's no other reason

it's like

the dynamic isn't that objectively it

just appears that way because i have

less viewers and less of a following and

that's it i sort of feel i feel more

like you know i like i'm like the

student student uh i'm like a what is it

like a substitute teacher who like went

into the classroom and i'm like i'm like

having to argue with like the class

clown he's like oh i think this is all

meaningless like i don't want to do this

assignment like prove to me that it's

worth doing or whatever and then it's

like okay like

i guess i won't and then it's like the

next day they're like wow you fucking

own that subsidy teacher it's like how

much do you think that matters to the

person you know what i mean where it's

like like yeah you guys can like have

your like logo i'll literally be sitting

there doing nothing

i'll literally be sitting there not

giving a fuck doing nothing

and then they'll all throw this shit oh

you're being destroyed right now and i'm

like

you know what i mean like

what like all they're doing is just

imposing on you a psychological state

it's literally what you don't have right

now right yeah where it's like you you

like champ you like just create it's the

information war right like the actual

facts of the matter matter much less

than the interpretation of the facts so

if it's like if you like people on the

right do this all the time it's a huge

like internet psychosis where people

build like these like reinforcement

centers where it's like they just like

contain themselves in this like reality

where it's like oh yeah you got fucking

owned or whatever and it's like that's

the consensus of this community like

we're running this poll and look like we

all agree because we're all part of this

like we all agree and you're getting

ratioed or whatever and it's like

like okay like you're doing all of this

to support your own conclusions right

like you have to you're creating this

proof for yourself

like it's not

it doesn't exist for any other destiny

his whole subjectivity is basically

because like

the two things are like the two things

like the two most popular responses are

didn't watch it and no like auntie me

and like didn't watch

oh uh another thing that i found

particularly uh funny

was when he would say shit like beauty

is subjective

and i don't actually think he knows what

the term subjective actually means

oh i know but what is he trying to say

that is like

is that true but doesn't he know that

doesn't he know that a subject implies

an object

well i mean if we're talking about like

syria in all seriousness like no like he

doesn't know like he hasn't gone through

these things he doesn't take it

seriously like he's very content like

why does he i think common sense

even if you use common sense he's making

the assumption that because something is

subjective

that means it's somehow arbitrary or not

objective or related to the object or

some kind of common object like for

example if you say okay definitely means

objective is trivial or you know it

means that it's undecidable yeah or

let's say you ask them like okay destiny

why is a work of art subjective you say

okay because it depends on you know the

perspective people have different things

to say

about different works of art

and then what i would say is that okay

how do you know that's not a feature of

objects themselves to give rise to a

multitude of different

you know i mean like how does that mean

it's subjective or somehow arbitrary and

then finally the when i really realized

this was a disgusting person like legit

a grotesque fucking like

uh like a i don't i don't know it's so

disgusting it's like and you know what i

know you don't want to go here you're

not the lysenko guy but it does reflect

physically it's so grotesque when he

said

art is about different subjective

enjoyments

when he said enjoyment that's when i

actually felt physical disgust

because

the experience i just needed to get you

off or not i think that's all i mean

that literally enjoyment

gratification has nothing to do with

sublimity it's the opposite of sublimity

actually

sublimity has a very in the

psychoanalytic sense castrative effect

on our enjoyment sublimity is the thing

that brings us to tears sublimity is

like fear and

horror and all exactly yeah it is not

the thing that we enjoy

the thing that we enjoy precisely isn't

immediately sublime

like yeah like the sublime is like um

you know the the sublime can even be

beauty can be a horrific

horrible fucking thing we do not enjoy

whatsoever but which is somehow a

painful truth and just always think of

like biblical angels right like where

it's like

not afraid you know beauty is not around

encountering

something beautiful it's actually horror

it's like terrifying yeah beauty is not

about enjoyment it's about truth

yeah

exactly yeah and and if

anyone who thinks beauty is uh

arbitrary

look you can measure this in mass media

there it there may be different tastes

but tastes

have a rationale and logic to them

there's a laws to this there's patterns

to this it's not just chaotic it's like

if you look like the thing is though is

if you ha if you have to grant that then

actually the like history of like the

most beautiful things produced by man

like then really matters and it like

matters that you're like uh educated in

these things so you have the experience

of these things so you can recognize

them in the world around you you know

what i mean it's like like that's like

the sad thing to me is that like uh like

literature like reading it's taken as

this like masturbatory exercise like

that's what you're saying as well and

it's like i don't think that's true at

all like like that's pretty like that's

like disgusting i think to like suggest

that like education or like you know re

like reading like the great works of

like world historical literature is

masturbatory is just like well then what

isn't masturbatory like playing elden

ring and like what he really means is

that it's like well elven ring is just

as masturbatory but i have no problem

with that well i think it comes from it

comes from when he said that language is

about communication which is actually

the biggest problem

because

when you actually when you get down to

it right

language is not about the communication

between

a number of parties right or or one or

two people or three people

there is always a third reference point

in any type of communication

that is not party to that communication

always you know la khan calls that the

big other right and it's just kind of

intuitive makes sense the big other

right that kind of like thing we always

assume

knows

the object of our speech

we just it's it's implied when we

communicate right and what what's

why i think text is such a privileged

medium specifically and why reading is

so important

is because this is the only way we can

draw out languages and he ultimately

wants his favorite thank you thank you

joshua this is the only way we can draw

out language

in the absolute sense from its opposite

where it is not between two people

it's the very origin of

the objective process out of which

language emerges

text allows us in a way that is i would

say beyond time and beyond space

allows us to um

articulate it's almost like it allows us

to have a conversation with nothing

to speak quite a void to me

that is

the essence of language

i agree like you know so much of this

stuff but like i can also like put on

destiny goggles and it's just like he's

like that's that's literally meaningless

like you have to define all of those

terms and it's just like

yeah i guess okay like like he wants to

take like a poetic statement and like a

poetic statement to him means like a

false statement or like a statement

that's like embellished or is like not

precise enough or it's like indefinite

in its ultimate meaning you know it's

like uncertain what it means because it

can it it means too much you know like a

poetic statement like as you were saying

like like having a communication with

nothing with the void like that's too

abstract dude like what do you even mean

like are you high are you smoking like

you know what i mean it's like it's like

if you were locked in a room i think the

reason that's such a traumatic thing to

have to think about it's like if you're

locked in a room you don't get you don't

have any immediate validation from your

chat you don't have any immediate

validation from others you don't have

anyone to comfort you

you really then have to

find out what you're made of right

that's where you're gonna be confronted

with the question of okay

i can't take refuge in other people

anymore i actually have to see what i'm

made of

and i think that's something that would

be terri i think that guy it would kill

him probably physically kill him like he

would not be able to

handle something like that like to truly

be alone you know

well he's not that's the thing he's like

constantly tied up in this like he has

this huge

network of people so i doubt he actually

spends that much time like alone you

know

yeah i mean like uh

it's like before you can

get your validation from others like

i i like this kind of cartesian i don't

like descartes himself his conclusions

but i like the moment of cartesian doubt

where you are truly alone and you have

no certainty in anything

and it's like you have to begin from

something you need a beginning right

um

a beginning that you can't derive from

from you know

from just funny because it's like he

values things like you know like elden

ring or something but it's like he i

don't think he could like really like he

could talk about like the mechanics or

whatever but like say like the art

design or like the general like um

construction of it the architecture of

it like what is the point of the game

like what is it supposed to mean like

what are these aesthetics from where are

these names from like what cosmos is it

trying to like represent sort of like

mythologically you know like through

this like large metaphor or whatever

what's the point of the game like what

are you what what what did the artist

who made this game you know to translate

it was trying to communicate with it to

translate it into analytical philosophy

terms he has plagued people like him

they're plagued by what cellars wilford

cellars he calls it the myth of the

given have you ever heard of this

yeah yeah yeah yeah oh there's just this

there's just the self-evident surface

precisely they don't have this anxiety

that

hold on this is not given and this is

somehow don't believe in satan basically

yeah like that's like the real thing

it's like it's like like there's like a

type of atheism where like you're still

like afraid of like satan or whatever

like you're afraid of uh like being like

like that like surfaces are like lying

to you you know that like the way things

just vaguely appear or like you know the

common sense understanding that these

things have been like manipulated or

like you know you're being or you're

being manipulated etc um like they

believe fundamentally that like there is

no power like that in the world or it's

actually worse than that because they're

like well there is such a power in the

world and it's like but it only hurts

dumb people who then deserve it you know

if you're smart enough to not to like to

be debunk all of the disinformation you

know then like you know you're perfectly

immune from like seitan

you don't have to worry about it

yeah i mean like um

the definition of a philistine is

someone who doesn't appreciate

the deeper harmony and unity of the

world right

and to them the world is not like a

piece of art there's no meaning in into

in it like in like to me right like the

way i would say it is that like human

existence is the meaning of the universe

like the universe has no meaning without

people in it you know i think we got to

this at one point and we moved off of

that subject really quickly because i

was saying like you know like there is

no meaning to the world there's no

mathematics in the world without human

beings in the world like you know what i

mean but to say something like that is

like completely unimaginable to them

because to them mathematics is like

implicit in the world you know

like it already was there

yeah i mean um

it's so fucking stupid like they had

that math is actually a like a human

a human being would understand questions

literally

like yours wouldn't have to have

language blake describes he's literally

yours in like with his like books of

iron and things you know like it's

literally all over the same like he's

like a deist you know he's like he's

like a druid you know he like worships

like the mathematics of like nature or

whatever and like

the order of like like you know make

reference to human nature and things and

like like this sort of a animal chaos

of like striving and like the will to

power and then it's like

like groups end up having more will to

power than individuals at least in his

view so like then it's like the just

like the brute rule of like society and

like social consensus

yeah i mean um

why they're concerned with this

information or whatever they put it

because what that means is that it's

like a the social consensus drifting uh

against like their will to power like

what the what they would will the social

consensus to be

yeah i mean uh

when it comes to shit like that i think

a lot of it

a lot of this kind of again a lot of

this is gonna come down to the confusion

so on the one hand you can just be a

person who's like okay i don't care

about any of that stuff i only care what

i care about

but

the moment it's like but you're also not

someone who

derives

their reputation from being particular

this is such an especially

dangerous combination

in terms of manipulating

a very specific group of like social

sycophants

who um

who feel like they have on the one hand

conquered all knowledge of everything

that'll ever have to be known in the

entire world and the other hand think

they've mastered the laws

of like you know

social engagement it's really fucking

pathetic

yeah they're wizards like like it's

rhetorical like you know like he's

that's what i mean when i might say

social intelligence even i think what's

kind of funny is like a lot of these

people um like the thing that they like

deny in their stated like metaphysics or

whatever is actually like

the thing they've hidden that is like

the source of like their power actually

because destiny is just like actually

just like a word magician

frankly like he's like a sophist in that

sense where he's like a rhetorical

gladiator you know he's a he's a he's a

wizard uh like in like his goal isn't to

create

understanding but to create like discord

in like the mind of like his

interlocutor and like drive them like

insane or to like you know unperson them

in some way so really like that was like

my goal was no i think the issue is that

soon as possible to see like like

eventually it just like ran out of steam

you know i think the issue is that

nobody ever cares about convincing

destiny right fuck him right who gives a

shit what he thinks it's his chat you

want that third party of like how does

this appear to be i don't even want his

chat i don't even want his chat the chat

to me is like an extension uh is like

like to me there'd be no difference if

like his chat was like solely composed

of like uh robots that he had like

programmed you know and that like i i'm

interpret like the way i've experienced

it because like those people don't mean

anything to me yeah um

he like i experience it as like that's

part of like but then but then you have

to ask organize this himself right yeah

but without all those followings that

he's created they're all like repeating

things that he's created you know

i know but like without creating them

you know i know but without that

following this is the question you have

to ask without that following i mean why

would you want to engage with destiny in

the first like what has he actually

accomplished that would make him worthy

of engagement

uh i just wanted i just thought it was

in like personally i don't know i don't

think you can do anything really like

that productive um i like one i could

say purely cynically like a lot more

people like like even there's no such

thing as bad press or whatever so i want

all these people to like you know think

that they like totally ruined me and

like pass my shit all around because you

know i i want to race raise some funds i

guess but that's the most cynical way i

could look at it but really i just

wanted i thought it would be interesting

i just thought it'd be fun but it's

interesting because he's like a famous

figure who's

gotten to where he is so he's also over

the hill though like his influence is

waning which is why he's even willing to

talk to me at this point

oh yeah i know that's well it's just he

needs content you know because he

doesn't really i mean no because it's

waning when you were talking let me put

it when you were talking to him he was

at that place there's like five people

who can do what he does now who are like

less problematic let me put it this way

when you were talking to him there was

like 7 000 people

when you left he's at 4 000.

yeah

that's cool so that's what i mean like

he definitely does need the content

yeah i mean i i think it i i don't know

i think i i'm not like ashamed or

embarrassed by my performance so i think

i did okay i don't know i was like i was

trying to figure out what i could even

do i was like what is even like he was

saying i was moving around topics too

much and i i was like yeah because like

you the way that you're engaging with

the things have like already foreclosed

the possibility of understanding what

i'm trying to say so i have to like go

to a different level you know when he

said when he said like for example

did russia invade ukraine or not and

then you're like what about libya and

he's like oh you're changing the topic

you're not changing the topic you're

trying to show

how what we define as a definition of an

invasion it doesn't have an objective

criteria yeah it's not based on some

neutral objective criteria it's based in

bias

that's what i was trying to say where i

was like where's like well like the

definition of words is actually like a

political question you know it's like

the um is the one like

but for him to say you're pivoting and

this is why he's a pervert for him to

say you're pivoting

assumes that he knows

what he's talking about in the first

place and he doesn't

you reveal to him a new way of looking

at what he just said that it implies

more than he wanted it to imply so he

accuses you of pivoting the topic when

what you're really doing is talking

about the same topic in a way that he

didn't expect

yeah it's kind of funny because he

actually pointed this out as like his

problem with like language as like a

medium of discussion i was trying to get

meta at one point where i was like well

i'm trying to like you know

like i understand that our definitions

of words aren't actually the same and i

understand the distinctions of this and

i'm trying to communicate still you know

like i know already for a fact like that

are the words we're using are not like

these perfect

objects you know that they have

histories to them and like you know like

but i don't think you could pick up on

it i don't know

yeah i mean look the most of the time

the guy was playing video games you know

so no but i made him stop eventually he

stopped right i didn't watch it yeah

he did stop because

you did get to him pretty significantly

but you know usually when he's going to

be playing video games while talking

it's because he's like all right i

already know the end point of this

conversation

and just like how in a video game like

you already know the what what a button

is gonna do right

like or you already know it's like it's

that level of like certainty

baseless yeah you know that's what i

mean it's perverted

well that's also why he doesn't read

because he feels like he already knows

like that he's not going to get anything

out of it i don't know i think that's

like the biggest anxiety a lot of people

have liked because like we actually

talked about the literacy rate and uh

someone informed me that like we were

talking about the literacy rate and like

the early uh like massachusetts bay

colony compared to today and i believe

that he like looked it up while we were

talking about it and like i was right

and then he just like shut it down and

we moved on to something else but like i

obviously wasn't watching a stream so i

don't know if that's true i haven't

gotten to that part it's kind of

interesting with the video games because

it's like

you know in a video game

you don't expect anything new and yet

there's something addicting about it

because actually there is something

new like there is everything is

pre-defined pre-programmed

and yet there's room for like

contingency in some kind of way right

so

i don't know

i think that's

that's i think that's where he is like

even when it comes to politics when it

comes to anything it's like a video game

yes it's all already decided and the

rules are already fixed

but for some reason that's not

satisfactory for some reason even from

then from there

there's some kind of like

contingency right

i don't know like though i could go into

like the whole form of like the video

game as like this like imperial

apparatus or whatever you know like it

all comes together so

well it's kind of funny like

people like really don't want to know

the history of like the things that

they're obsessed with actually they're

like i love all these things it's like

oh do you know where they came from and

it's like

like where did these games come from

like why are you playing them you know

like there's these things like there's a

reason for

like video games being this like massive

production of america in the time that

we produce them you know what i mean and

it's like it's like like don't you like

aren't you interested in games like on

that level or no like if that's your

interest then it's like ultimately like

if you're interested in anything you

have to read books reading books is like

the vehicle of interest right like it's

like if you're interested in anything

you're going to have to read books about

it like otherwise you're not going to

get anywhere

like right am i wrong yeah no you're

right you're right

um

yeah i mean um

even in that conversation

and you never read like books of

directors like interviews even in that

conversation i had like

yeah in that conversation i had on on

cozy where i was like

they were like oh what are you doing

comments i was like well i've written

you know and the reason i said that is

because genuinely and often i think

that's like the only real thing of

consequence

that i care about that i've ever done is

writing the books that i have yeah we

live in this you you and i are like that

where it's like

but apparently that sounded like

ridiculous like i and then people told

me they're hot the reason it sounded

ridiculous is because they didn't

believe you and that actually gave me

some relief because i was like if they

did believe me and still think it's

ridiculous and that's how much books are

like considered

pointless or something that would have

really

been a problem but i don't mind if they

don't believe you oh yeah i don't mind

if they don't believe me because that's

like i get to then dwell in like the

philosophical question of like

how the fuck could i be right and the

big other can be wrong you know

like i know for a fact i've read i've

written them and the big other is saying

no you haven't written them

so it's like and you know the big other

is contingent it's based on the chat

it's based on like what the public is

saying right so how could the big other

be fucking wrong you know that's like a

very

it's kind of like i have a perverse

enjoyment of dwelling in that state

where it's like i know things i mean and

you know this for a fact yourself

like i find it more annoying than

anything honestly because like it's

socially so

p like like so bad to like

like people think like you know it's

like when people accuse you of using a

thesaurus and it's like oh sorry i just

like actually enjoy

expressing myself in speech

in like ways that are enjoyable like you

know or that are like very particular in

their meaning like i love words like

when i'm talking i just naturally use

these words like and that's like not

imaginable i guess because people aren't

like i guess that's like a niche

interest it's like but like the english

language

earnest though let me ask you this if

there's somehow a consensus let's say

there's a big other that says

something about you that you know is

wrong

what are the implications for them being

wrong i've always been interested in

that question like if you were to prove

them wrong i've done it multiple times

before and there's never been a response

so it's like

it doesn't matter there's well doesn't

that cause psychosis in them or

something like no

no i think it does because every time i

every time i confront people prove them

wrong

they become more vicious and fanatical

about

like painting this bigger picture

it's almost like the ukrainian stuff

like the

at the ghostly they're like

psychological studies but this is just

general human behavior that's been

observed from like the fucking dawn of

time but yeah no uh like

like to actually be like conclusively

prove someone wrong like

i will just make them double down most

of the time

well here's what i think is that

i think when you prove people wrong when

i have proven people wrong it's me it's

emboldened them and made them more

fanatically vicious about the

overarching

um narrative they've created about me

because it's almost like i i've even

done like if i prove them like let's say

they they make a claim let's say they

make the claim that um

haas doesn't wipe his ass or some shit

like that right and then i proved them

wrong somehow that they were making that

up

they're like okay well if i was wrong

about that there must be something way

worse about you

does that make sense

sure it's almost like it's like this

weird agnostic thing where it's like

about it this way the more they're

they're proven wrong the more they

believe it

think about it this way this just came

to me but i think it's pretty

interesting um so like really like i

also saw earlier today there's like an

account on twitter that's like a totally

true destiny lore or something like that

and it's like uh like a bad takes

account or whatever but it's of like

other spurious rumors or whatever that

have been like debunked by steven

himself like uh or whatever and like you

know people saying like horrible things

about destiny so like the thing is is

that all these people they're very well

aware of like the dynamics of like

creating like smear campaigns and just

like you know just lying in general but

like they also have like

so like they're aware of like how to

debunk it but because they are aware of

like how to debunk it they're also like

very aware of how to like do it

themselves and like do it in a better

way or like a more believable way etc or

like frame things in this way so it's

like the same people who are like

obsessed with like debunking or also

like creating the these dossiers and you

end up having these like communities

like these parasocial communities that

like create basically like an

encyclopedia like like encyclopedia

dramatica used to be or like you know

kiwi farms or other things like that

they create this like encyclopedia to

like create like it's like clone you

know like they create this like

asian encyclopedia of like a fiction and

like the ideas for what i think i think

here's the issue that's like subsume

your world no no the issue is one we've

created the issue lies in the truth of

the fiction so when people smear me and

make things up about me and i disprove

what they're saying

the reason that has a blowback effect

like okay i've been proven wrong but

this just means that

because my truth about you must be true

a priori true

there must be something worse about you

i'm gonna make up and that a priori

impression they have about you

is based on the subjective affect you've

had on their world and on their world

view especially in terms of what they

thought was possible that's the biggest

one when you've changed the threshold of

what they'd consider possible now the

issue with me

is that

it's almost like i traumatize these

people psychologically and everything

they say about me just reflects this

like cognitive dissonance subjective and

psychological turmoil they have in their

own heads

and it's like i don't know how to deal

with that like honestly you want to know

the truth

i don't know the truth the truth is is

like the only way you can deal with that

is like the like a saintly amount of

patience like like um i read this

recently and it like really like it's

been sticking with me i've been thinking

about it a lot um it was like uh it was

like i forgot xenophon wrote this or

someone who was like someone talk about

plato when he was out in like um like

advising at some court i forget exactly

where but um

uh someone asked like what particularly

about like the wisdom he has was like

better than those of like the sophists

and he said that he could bear

injustices against himself with patience

like that's

i honestly friends

you're on to something when you say that

because yeah

on the one hand sometimes i'm like am i

becoming weaker

by like tolerating this and because

especially when i get proven right and

i'm like holy fuck so i've been taking

all this shit this whole time

but on the other hand on the flip side

it's like i genuinely feel like

sometimes i see creators like throw a

fuss like oh i got a negative comment

they make a big deal out of it and those

people are way bigger than me and i'm

like you don't even understand how this

works i've already you know i deal with

way worse than that and i've already

you know like so to me there's yeah i

think patience has a lot to do with it

but you know when when i'm saying that

there is an underlying truth to all the

like

lies people make up about me whether

that's individual lies or just the broad

brush they painted of me

the truth lies in the fact that yes

i have definitely caused significant

harm to what you used to consider

possible but the dialectic tragedy is

that

instead of being reconciled with the

pain or this wound i've inflicted on you

as attesting to something wrong with

your world view

you make me out to be the bad one right

like all i've done is change

all i've done was is challenge your

world of meaning right

and you've interpreted that to mean that

i'm somehow meaningless i somehow am the

problem who has to be

removed

uh to gain it back

so it's like they don't like they don't

like respect people is the thing they're

they're only like sycophantic they don't

understand like what respect is

you know yeah

like but that's not really that's like

you know that's like kind of i guess

that might be a little unique ish to

anglophone or american culture at least

is like we we uh we call it like

anti-authoritarianism

but what it really is is just a

fundamental lack of respect for

people like you in general yeah or for

like i don't feel like anything it's

just like

i think one of the human i think one

human quality

which i even afford to my enemies

privately just because you have to in

order to know how to destroy them is

you do have to begin with the operating

assumption

that everyone is coming from a place

of meaning everything someone says or

believes is ultimately somehow

meaningful and somehow rational

right yeah i agree

if you don't afford that to it like i

don't like this idea that the burden of

proof is on someone to prove they have

something to prove their like value

yeah you have to like prove your value

to me is like such a fucked up thing to

say to somebody

yeah i mean i get like prove you have

something to say i haven't heard before

that comes with good faith right i get

that but it's like

to say prove what you have to say is

meaningful is an extremely barbaric

anti-human thing

to say it's like there's meaning and

literally like that's like a sentence of

like paganism like pure paganism is like

that idea where it's like

you know where it's like

you have to i find it a very terrifying

way to live the prophets always win

though in those cases like in the old

testament that happens all the time to

the prophets and the old testament is

that they'll be like

you have to prove

like under the threat of death

you know

that yeah

so they end up having to say tell like a

story or something that has predicted

power that like no one else can

yeah

anyway i think this is a little like

very meaningful stuff but like i don't

know it's like sad to me that like

there's people out there who have like

just flattened their imaginations for

like

i don't know what is this like political

i guess monetary gain for like you know

narcissistic purposes i don't know it's

just sad to me you know i wish people

cared more about things

well i mean yeah i mean ultimately this

is a numbers game and it comes down to

like how much people can you reach how

much of an audience you can gain how

much i think it's more of a time thing

i'm more of a quality over quantity like

i don't i don't want i don't want a ton

of followers i want the best followers

no no i get that but like um

even there are so many pathological

dynamics that we are inevitably

at the mercy of you know

yeah it's true i just it's like to be

honest with you logo

if destiny was just some random guy who

had like zero following i don't think

you would ever entertain it

i mean you would you know i might talk

to you on the street people

i literally you have no idea i talked to

literally i was gonna say you you would

talk to him you talk to him in person i

have no doubt about that but like you

wouldn't go out of your way to like talk

to him

oh no

like me i feel like i myself feel like

an idiot because i'm like

why am i even

giving this guy like what has he written

what is what brilliance has come out

it's literally just this pathological

shit of like the big other like the

social aspect of like

you know all the pathological shit that

comes with the fact oh this is a pretty

big streamer who that says something

about our society then right

yeah

i mean

i don't know i only did it just for

i don't know i thought it was fun first

of all i thought it was interesting i

don't think it'll happen again

yeah but anyway um

i gotta give this a lecture about the

minute but it was a pleasure

pleasure having you on

yeah should i watch your commentary of

it instead of watching the thing the

thing itself or because i was gonna i

just i knew what the chat was like

can i see my chats like at the same time

i can tell you what the chat was saying

because i i i wasn't watching the whole

thing live i only watched part of it

live

i actually pref i wanted to just talk to

you instead of watching the whole thing

live because destiny's so insufferable

and all the video game footage and shit

but the chat on his end was pretty

hostile pretty dismissive just like he

was they were just one to one reflecting

him you know they were like oh there was

some really stupid shit there too there

was like

there was like no i'm looking for that

every intermittent like one guy being

like but that last part was true it's

like a thinking part or whatever because

i saw like a couple of those in the

first like five minutes

okay yeah this guy's dumb and stupid but

like that one thing he said was true i

like those

yeah yeah

um

all right yeah i mean i don't know i

wouldn't waste time replaying the chat

it's pretty much what you're gonna

expect but um i don't know i i i expect

it to be what i expect but i didn't get

to see like his own like side of it

because i didn't watch the video so i'm

gonna watch it that way okay because i'm

curious this is again mostly for my own

entertainment like i think it'll be fun

to watch it

yeah yeah

all right man all right uh appreciate

you coming on

it's always a pleasure

peace

see you

all right guys i'm gonna briefly uh use

the bathroom

and then uh

gonna very briefly take a piss and i'll

be right back okay i'll literally be

right back and then we're gonna talk

about dugan

all right

so let's begin this introduction so to

to preface

to preface this um we're going to begin

this with a from a marxist leninist

perspective so to be clear there are a

lot of people who always approach me and

they always come to me and says kaz are

you a marxist leninist or are you a

duganist are you an osbo now the

communist party of the united states is

being infiltrated by someone named taran

right

taran to be

perfectly clear right

is in all likelihood someone who has

shady

connections and backgrounds at best

realistically i do think they are

probably involved with the government in

some capacity or some kind of ngo

definitely not loyal comedies they were

responsible for destroying the workers

world party if you didn't know earlier

this year

they were actually responsible for a uh

um

this like hit piece talking about the

infiltration of duganism

on the left right and i did release an

article responding to it and rebuking it

but something i've never done and i

think the the recent russian special

military operation especially um

calls uh into necessity is actually give

dugan some justice in his own right and

kind of explain to you who dugan is what

his background is and what not only what

marxist leninist can learn from dugan

and what conclusions we can draw from

dugan's thinking

but how dugan's thinking can help us

understand

the recent

russian special military operation

this is what i wanted to get into

now firstly the first thing that's going

to come to mind when it comes to dugan

and we're actually going to watch a 60

minutes interview

um of dugan after i give this kind of

introductory lecture we're going to

watch it together and react to it

uh let me grab that actually

just so it's um

ready at hand give me a moment

here it is

all right

um so the first thing that comes to mind

when people think about dugan alexander

dugan is geopolitics

geopolitics and the geopolitical

orientation and the geopolitical school

right

because dugan wrote a book

i believe in the 1990s called the

foundations of geopolitics okay

and in his book the foundations of

geopolitics

dugan basically wrote about

you know

in addition to this kind of philosophy

of geopolitics and all that background

like a rough understanding of like

russia's place in the world going

forward after the collapse of the soviet

union like what

who should russia be allied with who are

russia's enemies going to be

what you know territory should russia

and next things like that that's in the

foundation of geopolitics so people have

this broad idea that

give me a second let me just finish this

protein drink and i'll finish what i was

saying

perfect

so people basically have this idea that

after the collapse of the soviet union

russia became a liberal democracy and

then putin came take over and then

what's putin's long-term strategy like

putin kind of seems like he's got these

revenges ambitions you know

with georgia and elsewhere right so

people are saying well putin has a brain

behind him it's putin's brain the secret

guy who's deciding russia's long-term

strategy going forward which is

alexander dugan dugan is the ideological

brain he's the geos geopolitical

strategic brain for russia all of this

is mythology and all of it is bullshit

now to extend to my knowledge

the foundations of geopolitics did make

its way into the um russian military

curriculum right

i mean geopolitics is an important

science in general and that book covers

it and it actually has not been

translated into english as of this day

but um

a special note is going to be the fact

that

there is this prejudice of idealism

generally now we are marxist leninist

materialists right

we have a materialist orientation

what idealists tend to do

is assume that there has to be this

certain body of thought and ideas

that rationalizes and makes the world

somehow meaningful or at least unified

and coherent so when people see that

russia is doing this this or that

they're saying okay what is the reason

for this well the reason for this

ultimately must come from an idea right

and that's where you have people kind of

attribute so much to dugan when it comes

to explaining russia that he is the

direct

idea behind it

um but the materialist view is going to

be that

you know

ideologists and individuals will have

ideas that reflect and give expression

to the deeper rationality of history and

the spirit of the times but that's not

actually where it's coming from there's

a deeper material

explanation for this which the idea only

reflects so in the case of russia and

russian geopolitics right the marxist

lenin's view is not going to be that you

know dugan's ideas are somehow

mysteriously animating history it's that

dugan's ideas are reflecting history

in some kind of way right

and that's really the important um

thing you have to come from that's the

and a very important perspective we have

to come from right off the bat

right so something important to keep in

mind um as an introduction to dugan is

that i want to talk about first i want

to talk about geopolitics why should

marxist-leninists take geopolitics

seriously what is the significance of

geopolitics what is the background and

what are we talking about when we come

when it comes to that right so

geopolitics is in the is in the word

it's the relationship

between states polities if you will

and geography or space right

so if you understand it like this

if you have a kind of german idealist

understanding of the state

a state isn't just some external body of

governance that interacts with us

the state is the externalization of the

human mind and of reason right the state

is the

realization

of

the wealth geist of spirit on earth

that's what the state is if you have

this understanding of statehood this

state is a kind of organ of our minds we

are part of the state

right and then in that sense

beginning with this understanding of the

state is this fundamental

organism that grounds our unconscious

that grounds human communities

and worlds even a human world right if

you have this understanding this more

german understanding of the state from

german idealism it's kind of hegelian

understanding of of a state

then you can easily see that

um

that's kind of a more mythological

mythic or

mystical way of putting it if you want

to go to an american pragmatic way of

putting it you have to say okay

um

what how is the state defined right and

it doesn't matter how you look at this

right a state also in a state involves

something called history sorry

it involves something called territory a

state is delimited

this amount of territory

is

the belonging of the state it belongs to

the state right

so you have this understanding that with

a state comes a definite projection of

space

okay

and then also

states also have history not only in the

forms of like the founding mythology and

all that kind of stuff but also in the

form of the laws of the state

uh also in the forms of just

how you keep track of time itself right

um

the ability to regulate and ground the

daily cycles of life and formalize those

things

so a state also has a projection of time

so time and space

in a sense are relative to states a

state

um presides over

abstract space and abstract time okay

in a sense

um

you know this in a hobbesian view of a

state

the state is this kind of supreme formal

entity

that projects formal

sovereignty and abstract space

irregardless

of the territory

so if you kind of think about hobbes as

leviathan right a leviathan is a sea

creature right

and

just as much hobbes's notion of a state

is based on the geography

of this kind of imminently abstract

fluid space over which any form of

sovereignty can be arbitrarily exercised

over

so for hobbes who has this kind of

modern

like cartesian understanding

of a state

the formal sovereign state comes first

the space comes after in no way is the

state defined

by the particularity of the geography or

the particularity over of the land over

which it presides

it can mold space

as if it was the sea and it's all just

water on the sea right

um

that's the leviathan it's a sea monster

right

um so we are not yet

at the point of geopolitics why

because in this case

geography is just some kind of like you

know

in essential detail this incidental

detail of state sovereignty geography

isn't important the sovereign is

important right how could geography have

any significance right the state is

absolute it has an absolute monopoly of

space and time

and

it it it commands the submission of of

all particularity before it right that's

the true meaning of

um

of sovereignty and that is actually

reflective of the british empire itself

which is a maritime empire the british

empire you know it's a it's a naval

empire on the sea and it stretches the

whole fucking world right it doesn't

care about your particular culture

doesn't care about the particular

geography doesn't care about whatever

you know it is this leviathan right

that's the british empire right

and um

it's this kind of abstract universalism

of modernity

over which the whole world must be

molded the world must be molded in its

image okay

um guys and i look i don't know how much

this is gonna help but i apologize for

this shitty background and this shit on

the table here i'm so sorry i i just

this just came through the door i was

just you know a matter of fact i should

clean this up for a second

just give me a second all right

guys i kind of look like a fucking bum

talking about this shit

and

it looks stupid you know

let me uh

perfect

all right it's not perfect but it's it's

better right

actually you know

[Music]

all right

so whether you want to look at this in

the form of like the rationalistic

all right

now whether you want to look at this in

terms of the rationalistic hubris of

modernity right

where you know you just don't have any

sense of that particularity that

marks a point of exception within the

continuity of your experience of space

and time

and law and sovereignty and whatever

else you want to talk about right

um

or in the naivety of empiricism

according to which there's this kind of

like this given world of sense objects

within which we just kind of like

you know this is where hedonism comes we

just kind of enjoy we just have this

continuous experience of constantly

gratifying ourselves or you know

dwelling in this world um

touching things i guess or whatever

right

it's kind of like english view english

empiricism or we're just kind of like

you know our hands are kind of just

everywhere we're just kind of grubbing

and touching and accumulating wealth

greed right this kind of fat capitalist

of the english industrial revolution

whatever right

it's pretty much the same thing

now where exactly

within this

does geopolitics emerge right

well geopolitics is going to emerge

okay you guys are complaining about the

yellow tint

fine

fine

and i need a new fucking kit and it's

because i have a yellow fucking

light okay there we go no more yellow

all right

so

much better

so

within german idealism or the german

tradition

you have probably the first challenge

to the kind of tyranny of anglo-saxon

modernity in history right now this

takes many forms the first form that

probably comes to mind is german

idealism kant in his critique of pure

reason says what there's no pure reason

and there's also no pure experience

there's a problem there's a little

contradiction it's a little issue a

little scandal posed by particularity

kant begins that german idealism there

from there we get hegel and the rest of

them right then also the germans also

give us people like marx right and then

what does marx do marx

critiques idealism itself marx

um forwards the view

that

uh within this kind of universal state

you have the particularity of the

proletariat and this kind of class

struggle and this materialist view of

history right and then you know beyond

mark what do you have you have

schopenhauer right and schopenhauer's

critique

of the kind of lofty endeavors

of the german idealism schopenhauer with

this kind of like more pessimistic view

about

the real

thing that drives us behi

uh below the surface

of the sovereign

uh and stoic use of reason right the the

will of the universe or whatever right

and then you also have nietzsche and

nietzsche it becomes even dialed up to

dialed up to more of a hundred right

even though nietzsche he was kind of

pretty friendly with the british but

that

let's just

skip that one right and then you have

freud and freud challenges so germans

have this thing where they're kind of

throwing a uh

a wrench what do they call it they throw

a wrench in the um

what is the saying someone quickly in

the chat tell me what the saying is

they're throwing a uh

i'm gonna just look it up on google

because the delay is literally like five

minutes

okay i guess i don't know

if yeah they threw they they have this

thing where they're they're throwing a

monkey wrench into the works into the

gears yeah that's what it is they're

throwing a wrench into the gears of

anglo-saxon modernity and they're

they're imposing this problem

this problem

the fact

that our premises cannot be grounded

according to our conclusion

the whole basis of german romanticism

comes from here the whole basis of

nationalism comes from here by the way

nationalism

is more or less german in origin the

french nationalism of the the revolution

that was just this that you know

unmediated french

passion that kind of catholic passion it

was the germans who sat down and

contemplated this question of okay on

the one hand we have the rational state

but what are the roots what are the real

wild roots of that

because the state doesn't determine what

that is right

so everything it's begins with the

german challenge to anglo-saxon uh

modernity right

now continuing

funny rant about german philosophers

with no kusa leibniz or schiller

because those people are not defined by

bringing up problems

that's why

you're it's getting too complicated at

that point those people are not defined

by a problem by a stain by a mark

right

so i don't think that they have the same

significance here

um

but anyway

geopolitics

simply comes from this humble

understanding right

um even though geopolitics i think is

actually british formally speaking it's

british and origins but it comes from a

german problem

it comes from the competition between

the united kingdom sorry i don't know if

it's called the united kingdom the

british empire right

on the one hand which is a sea based

power

and on the other hand

these land based empires to the east

particularly the german empire

specifically you know

the one united by um

uh

bismarck right the german land empire

right and then also the russian empire

right which the unit which um the

british empire was fighting with both of

them fighting with the russians and uh

fighting that great game

in uh

southwest asia in afghanistan

and with the germans over hegemony over

continental europe

okay

and the problem posed by both of these

land civilizations

is that they represented something which

was the opposite of

the kind of sea-based british

civilization which was the fact that for

them

sovereignty was not derivative

from itself simply sovereignty

sovereignty derived from the particular

so the particular

land the earthlyness of the character of

the people the character of the

geography the character of the roots the

soil below

that is what has the determinating

effect

not this kind of leviathan in the sea

it's this more grounded

earth-based empires or if you want to

call them

behemoth the land monster not the sea

monster the sea monster

only can

doesn't have an ocean of land it just

has the sea over which it seeks to

exercise its dominion and domination it

doesn't have an understanding of the

land

which grounds our ability to dominate

things in the first place

so britain can for example not arbitrate

to the terms uh the particular

characters and features of continental

europe

or

let's say afghanistan so

this comes ultimately to give birth to

people like um

i forgot his name uh

who wrote the world island

again

what the fuck was his name

heartland

the book wasn't called the world island

it was um

the geopolit okay this is the one

yeah makin machinder that's exactly it

mackinder mackindermakender yes

mackinder

okay and makender was british okay

he was british but he was responding to

a german

problem

and even in so even as far as the

conflict with russia was concerned well

russia was dominated by a germanic

aristocracy and that the family

royal family of russia was

germanized right

was mackinder an american i didn't know

that let me see let me look him up

mackinder

no he was english he was british

he was not an american he was british

that one i remember he was not an

american he was a british okay he was

british

okay so to be clear geopolitics comes

from the fact that somehow scandalously

despite the kind of domineering conquest

of modernity and anglo-saxon modernity

in particular

land appears to have a determinant

effect

geography has a determinating effect

it's not simply a lot of people

misunderstand this oh dugan and russia

want world domination that is not the

point of geopolitics the point of

geopolitics is how geography defines

power in the first place how geography

not only defines our ability to exercise

power

because you can kind of you know you can

pervert that in the utilitarian sense

okay how do we get more land in order to

exercise more power no

the scope and ambition of our power is

also defined by geography

so you see

the geopolitical perspective is not

beginning from one of wanting to conquer

the whole world and wanting to impose

your power on the world it's beginning

from one that takes into account

existing historical

empires based in the land

that have already been there have

already been defined by it and whose

destiny and whose future

is beholden to it so that is the essence

of geopolitics so when you get this

impression from dugan from alexander

dugan

that

the geopolitical perspective brought by

him is one of russian aggression

you need to understand you are

you are bogged down by this kind of

leviathan from hobbes this anglo-saxon

prejudice according to which we are all

detached modern anglo-saxon subjects who

simply want to exercise our domineering

modern will upon the world and conquer

as much land as we want right

no that is not the case

it so do not associate dugan with

aggression do not associate the

geopolitical uh perspective with this

one of oh we just want to aggressively

conquer the world no

it's actually the opposite the

geopolitical perspective is based on

precedent

civilization land-based civilization

that is already there in the english

view we are not already here we have to

conquer the world then we can be here

from the geopolitical perspective we are

already here so it is not a question of

how do we conquer the world

it is a question of

how do we exist here

how do we be

here

as we already are what is our fate what

are we doing going forward what is our

destiny

that is the geopolitical perspective

that is ultimately going to be informing

dugan's position

now being more specific about dugan to

give you some historical background

dugan was a kind of anti-communist

dissident

now that's going to sound kind of scary

because oh how could you be a marxist

leninist and

well because an anti-communist distance

was just someone who was opposed to the

ruling communist party in the soviet

union but in case you didn't know this

gorbachev was the head of the communist

party in the soviet union

at a certain point i mean these people

and i'm gonna reiterate this again i'm

gonna talk about this again

these people are the ones who who

destroyed the soviet union and they all

became liberals by the way

all these communists became liberals

keep that in mind okay they all became

liberals

the ones that were in power almost all

of them okay

so that's something you got to keep in

mind

um

he was a kind of dissident and by being

a dissident he saw that

the marxist-leninist ideology that had

existed

in its late soviet form

was not addressing

questions

fundamental to the future of russian

civilization

is a russian civilization

whose spiritual geopolitical even

pragmatic

needs and future was not being addressed

by marxist leninist ideology by marxism

leninism right

and then with the end of the soviet

union and the dissolution of the soviet

union the question is pretty simple

what's the future of russia what is the

future of russia as a country is russia

going to abide

by the international norms of

you know

uh

like state

sovereignty

where every state has the right to

self-determination based on

internationally recognized treaties

and that's it and we're all going to

become nation-state democracies or is

there something stirring within the

russian soul is there this kind of

activistic longing

within the russian the core of the

russian being that demands to be broken

to break out

of the liberal international order

and for dugan there is something inside

of the very essence of what it means to

be russian that could will always resist

domestication in the liberal

international order russia not germany

is gonna pose a problem for the

leviathan this time around

so

i got ahead of myself a little bit so

let's bring it back let's bring it back

a little

now was dugan just now okay that is

ultimately going to hinge on the

following question

russia is a particularly interesting

case

which is uncharted territory for marxist

lenders it wasn't supposed to happen

now

the the story goes like this russia had

a bourgeois revolution

then it had a proletarian revolution

and then what

it returned back to bourgeois liberalism

and then that's it

there was no

fundamentally irreversible significance

the soviet union and and the proletarian

dictatorship and socialism and marxism

had on the russian civilization

so the liberals contended themselves

with it was all one meaningless mistake

it was all one meaningless bad mistake

and who knows that's not from us so

that's for the chinese those chinese

they have you know

that's kind of the russian liberal

perspective in the 1990s you know oh

that's

we were victims of something more east

from asia came and

imposed that on us now we're free

um

so you see uh

now shamefully believe it or not most

marxists believe the liberals most

marxists will say yeah

lenin was kind of stretching it stalin

was kind of stretching it and then mouse

stretched it way too far

let's go back to the roots of european

civilization

and then we can conduct the class

struggle again back to liberal democracy

lenin after all i mean

marxism came from the west

so it's no surprise

and this is what i'm going to tell you

all of the communists almost all of the

communists in russia

all of these marxists they almost all

became liberals

so if you believe that lenin

if you believe that lenin specifically

had made an irreversible contribution it

wasn't a one-off it wasn't just some

exception

the leninism part in marxism leninism

isn't just an exception

but a qualitative transformation that is

irreversible

if you believe in lenin's last thesis

as a marxist leninist that what if we

can presume pursue the fundamental

requisites to civilization in a

non-european fashion

almost ad verbatim what lenin said right

you do have to take dugan seriously you

do have to take these questions

seriously

has russia simply reverted to the

pre-communist and pre-socialist

bourgeois liberal status

or are there fundamental and particular

features of russian civilization

that disallow it

to be as such

if you acknowledge that particularity

you have already positioned yourself

outside of

western marxist orthodoxy

again

almost all the communists in russia

almost all of them turned into liberals

turned into westernizing liberals they

said okay we went too far

we gave too many compromises to the

russian aspect let's go back to

liberalism from square one

so don't blame dugan for not being a

marxist leninist when marxism leninism

as it had existed then

was not able

to answer the big questions

okay

now let's rewind it a little bit before

we go forward and we connect this to

russia's special military operation

let's rewind this a little bit

and

talk about

um

we're going to talk about actually

lenin

because it's going to give you insight

into where dugan is coming from

now

what was lenin's real significance and

this is really going to give you what

the essence of eurasianism really is

lenin's significance was that he was a

consistent marxist

for lenin

marxism was something that was happening

in the west the social democratic

parties in the west they had all workers

move on and lenin took that whole thing

as a whole

he took the west and marxism he took it

as a whole

as a whole

why could he take it as a whole

because he was outside of it

in order to see something holistically

you have to be outside of it in order to

see the forest and not the trees you

have to be outside of the forest

now does this logic make sense to you

guys

does this logic make sense to you guys

uh in any way

in order to see the forest you have to

be outside of it

otherwise if you're in the forest you're

just gonna see the trees

now skipping a lot more or less

that is why lenin was a consistent

revolutionary and that's why the western

social democrats sold out because lenin

was able to see it holistically uniquely

coming from that russian perspective

now dugan will remark that actually this

defines the entirety of the history of

russian philosophy and the history of

the russian the uniquely russian

intellectual tradition

because for dugan right

all russian philosophers

had either set about to

take

western philosophy as a whole

or

kind of copy the western philosophers

and try to dwell within it and all of

russia's history since peter the great

reforms had been defined by this kind of

back and forth between on the one hand

this archaic

russian soul

which we can't rationally give

expression to but which nonetheless

dwells within the russian soul right and

on the other hand the kind of logos

of

western modernity

of rational modernity so for dugan the

entire history of russian philosophy and

russian thought

had been based

in trying to kind of rationalize and

give expression to this more archaic

russian feeling and russian

soul

this russian

unconscious if you will the unconscious

features of russian civilization

um

and it had always failed

it had always failed

it had always failed to establish what

dugan will call

a uniquely russian hermeneutic circle

so it's this kind of back and so the the

liberal reforms in the 90s for dugan was

just a moment in this history right

where on the one hand

you have this archaic russian soul that

allows you to be outside of europe but

on the other hand you don't have your

own independent logos

your own independent

vocabulary your own independent language

and rationality that allows you to give

justice to this archaic russian soul

outside of the terms of western europe

so this is the paradox

that basically defines the russian

civilization this is why the eagle is

double-headed from the west it takes the

superstructure of western modernity and

western rationality but on the other

hand there's just this point of

exception

in the form of this unconscious whatever

reality that

not just resist this but

is it

and

that's really what we're talking about

here

it's not all as lacan would put it

it's not just that there's some aspect

of russia that's outside of western

modernity it is that

it is

that just like

a forest is not its trees it is the

whole but the whole

looks different than what we expect it

to sometimes

see

but that's not dugan's perspective for

dugan

the path forward for russia

is to discover another beginning beyond

the beginning of the west and western

modernity

that adequately satisfies

this kind of inner russian essence

now i we're marxist learners so you're

saying what does this have to do with

marxism what does this have to do with

materials when you're talking about a

russian soul and a russian essence and a

russian unconscious this is all idealist

and this is all metaphysical language

well it's metaphysical sounding language

only in order to give expression

to what is otherwise very

simply materiality

it is the materiality of russian

civilization

as opposed to the ideal of western

modernity it's what is material that is

actually what materialism has as its

object the unconscious the earthly the

terrestrial that's material that's what

material means

that's what material means okay

so

that begs the question from us

right

lenin's contribution to marxism which

was interpreted as just like this kind

of

added this is he just added something a

little it's just a little exception he

had to add for russia's unique

conditions right

is that going to culminate in a

qualitative transformation

um

that changes where we started from from

the very beginning which was liberalism

western liberalism or do we return to

the western liberalism and for dugan

he's it's not that he's a fascist it's

that he

refuses this view that

we can simply return to western

liberalism for him

the task set before russia is to

discover its own

logos

marxism leninism

was not some like you know

that's a it's a comedy the way western

marxist leninists understand it it's com

it's comical they say oh yeah marx said

this

but you know russia yeah it was

different so lenin kind of added to it a

little bit but that's okay we don't have

to add it to anybody we're done and then

you can go full schizo mode and you

could be like you know bob avakian no we

have marxism leninism chairman

gonzaloism baba vacanism you never never

ending heads added to the number of

heads it's like at what point are we

gonna have a

qualitatively new understanding of what

marxism was the whole time

instead of adding more heads

we should probably question the first

head our understanding of the first head

you understand

and that in this case

um i'm kind of way getting ahead of

myself even beyond dugan because now i'm

talking about what distinguishes my

thought right which was for me that we

need to change our view of marxism in

the first place because of this

instead of adding more heads

but

nonetheless dugan is up the same alley

because dugan is also searching for that

original logos dugan is not a marxist

leninist

not because he's a fascist reactionary

but because he realizes that marxism

leninism was already a stretch

so

why was it a stretch remorseful what was

stretching it

what about russia

made that necessary

and that is what dugan is concerning

himself with

now for dugan if we are not going to

return

to this kind of um

nation-state liberal international order

after the soviet union that there was

this irreversible change that had

happened

that doesn't just have implications for

russia it has implications for the

entire international world order itself

russia ex let me put it this way

let's say it's like someone who went to

war you know they go to go to war and

they've seen things human beings are not

supposed to see and they come back to

society

and they can't be well functioning

members of society because

they've seen truths they can see others

are blind to and naive about and

hypocritical about it's like you have

lived in peace this whole time

unaware of this truth

and this is why russia is such a

troublemaker for the international world

order russia has experienced the history

it has experienced something

just like a soldier going off to war and

being changed forever russia has

experiencing something that had give

that gave it insight

into the nature

of not only politics and geo but being

itself

so

and this

what this is is the fact that there is a

russian civilization there is a russian

polarity there is a russian big space

which does not conform to the terms

imposed by the liberal nation state

the liberal nation state will mutilate

this civilization which is a real thing

it's real

it's a real thing

but on the other hand

russia cannot simply pursue its destiny

its specific destiny

without

upsetting the entirety of the whole

liberal international world order

so you have this kind of paradox russia

just wants to be russia but it can't be

russia without destroying

the world

as we know it

and dugan has become the intellectual

like par excellence

who represents this fact

so and now as far as russia's special

military operation in ukraine is

concerned and why this helps us

understand it is look we can focus on

the facts of the operation and how the

west has been lying about and all that

shit but i think it it might even be

better to just have a more broad

perspective

about what's going on in the first place

that allow you to see

ukraine is part of russia's big space

it is part of russian civilization

that doesn't mean russia thinks it can

invade

thoughts on elon trying to take over

twitter

many thoughts many thoughts and i think

we'll if we have time we're going to

discuss that today we're going to

discuss that today right

but um

when it comes to this special military

operation in ukraine

what mo this is what's so dangerous

about this when most people see russia

invaded ukraine upsetting and

overturning all of the precedent liberal

international norms of of the world

order of a sovereign country invading

another sovereign country they're like

okay well if russia did that to ukraine

then russia can do that to any country

with impunity

because it's all arbitrary and

meaningless but

what you can learn from someone like

dugan is that no you're just not

understanding the deeper pattern and the

deeper laws

at hand it is not arbitrary invasion of

another country's sovereignty because it

is part of russian civilization and just

because russian civilization cannot be

given expression in the terms of the

liberal nation state does not mean its

arbitrary or meaningless it doesn't mean

russia thinks it has the right to invade

france

ukraine is part of russia's big space

the two peoples are inexorably

intertwined

but that even

kind of assumes russia is just invading

ukraine and that's not what's going on

at all russia still respects

respected ukraine's sovereignty it's

just that ukraine's sovereignty cannot

come at the expense

of russia's civilization

he can't it's not a blank check for

ukraine to do whatever the fuck it wants

and this is where the cold sobering

realities of geopolitics enter into the

picture

just because a country has sovereignty

doesn't mean it can act however the fuck

it wants to with impunity when you have

two peoples who are so closely

intertwined especially the eastern

ukrainian peoples and the russian

peoples and the eastern ukraine those

are russian peoples

when their culture when their faith when

their connection when their way of life

is so inexorably intertwined you don't

just have a blank check form of

sovereignty that allows you to do

whatever the fuck you want

so when you hear this story that

russia's randomly invading ukraine you

have to understand ukraine has always

been part of russia's civilization

the word ukraine and logo was trying to

tell this to that

ugly fuck destiny

that fucking goblin

it means the frontier that's what it

means ukraine translates into frontier

in russian

it's what it means

so that's what you have to understand

it's not an arbitrary act of aggression

there's a history and there's a story

behind this but the thing is is that we

have to change our understanding of how

the world works because of it

we can't just proceed with our specific

view of how the world works

russia has must challenge and change our

view of international relations and we

must shift to a multi-polar view of

international

relations that takes civilizations and

polarities into account

now maybe the british will have a hard

time doing this

and they can go to hell if they do

because it's not our problem as

americans we as americans are faced in a

unique we are faced with the unique

opportunity to embrace america

as a land-based civilization from sea to

shining sea the land here

in between those seas

to cultivate that

that's what we're faced with the unique

opportunity of doing

and we should take this opportunity we

should take this opportunity

to befriend the russian world and build

our own american world alongside the

russian world

and leave the british empires leviathan

to burn in hell

that's the unique opportunity we are

presently

uh

faced with

we as

western subjects

when we hear the word russia

just like russia has a unique connection

to the west the west has a unique

connection to russia

for us russia is always here but not

here

russia's very existence to us evokes a

degree of criminality

me being called a russian in the

financial times report is somehow

criminal me saying things that the

kremlin is saying was incriminating

enough for twitch to completely

de-platform me because it it's something

scary nefarious and criminal to be

russian

russian-ness is bad and criminal it's

malign it's outside

of our border it's outside of our wall

what we in the west must accept and

embrace

is that russia

is

what we are russia is the west it's the

truth of the west

russia is

the truth the scandalous truth which is

that europe does not exist

europe is a peninsula of asia

and russia is

the universality of europe it is the

universality the concrete universality

of the so-called western civilization

because what is western civilization

western civilization is christian

civilization

and russia is primordial orthodox

christianity which is the truth of all

christianity

before it becomes

anything else it's the original europe

it's the original christianity which at

the same time makes it asian

russia is europe

as just one among many other asiatic

empires

and we in the west deny this

we in the west

are troubled by this and we're somehow

intimidated by this

because we don't we're scared to embrace

and accept

what we are

what our civilization really is in the

west we run from our own shadow

we run from what we are we d we curse

and forsake

a spinning image of what we are

[Music]

i think that's a good introduction

i think that's a good introduction

and there's way more and the only way

you're going to get more is if i do more

lectures that go into more detail or if

you read dugan himself and i if for

books

i recommend political platinum which is

really going to be the crux of this

it's about finding a new beginning

because what dugan deals with is what is

russia

what is the west for russia what we must

ask is what is russia for the west

what is russia for the west is our

question

we must ask that question

how will russia change our world

we in the west must change our view of

russia

we see russia as criminal enemy

bad nefarious

asian

because we run from ourselves

and this view is fundamentally genocidal

this view is fundamentally genocidal

again you read that article they wrote

about me that got me de-platformed on

twitch lost my whole livelihood lost my

whole way of uh paying bills and uh

supporting myself

why because i look too russian i sound

too russian

i'm too there's too much russian-ness

coming from my stream

and that's alone enough to incriminate

me

that alone is enough to incriminate me

because russia's the bad guy russia's

the orcs as they say

and they've adopted this

anti-human barbaric view

how do they justify that's the question

how do they fucking justify

the west is entering

an unprecedented state of psychosis that

much i can say

that much i can definitely say

all right

now let's watch the interview

fuck hold on that's not the whole thing

this one's only five minutes long dugan

this is not 60 minutes

i thought it's 60 minutes

all right

let's check it out

the

five-minute interview with dugan

maybe link me where i can find the whole

thing if you guys someone go find it

search for it and link it in the discord

where i can find the whole thing

60 minutes overtime

i am supporter of putin so i am i'm

transmitting the will of our of

conservative society of russian identity

i'm not formulating this individually

alexander dugan is a russian political

philosopher who's been called the putin

whisperer he's got vladimir putin's ear

and he's really influential in shaping

russian policy at the highest level see

this is typical liberal idealism

oh putin's doing everything he is

because dugan's making him it's not like

dugan is saying something that reflects

the truth

and that's it's only incidental

it's not like dugan is actually making

sense of it

oh it's that putin

you know you know what if putin listened

to bernard henry levy it'd be a lot

different he just listened to the wrong

ideas

so stupid

you are known as putin's rasputin and

i've even seen putin's brain

so he has listened to you in the past

the base of this affirmation is

precisely the correspondence between

what putin does and what i always say

i'm shachar baran and i produce for

leslie stahl at 60 minutes

dugan's a civilized man trying to talk

to this savage barbarian

trying to explain to her

right that listen the reason they're

saying i'm putin's brain is because i've

gotten the reality right of what's going

on in russia in our geopolitical reality

it's not because putin's listening to me

directly

that explains the correspondence

in 2017 we shot an interview with dugan

as part of a story we were reporting

about the russian disinformation

campaign after the 2016 presidential

elections we ended up not using the

interview sometimes that happens when we

interview more people and we can fit in

the broadcast but i never forgot the

interview with alexander dugan

especially after russia invaded ukraine

in 1997 dugan wrote a book called the

foundations of geopolitics which

we've heard has been very influential in

the russian military it may have even

been taught in their academy

so i wondered what in his world view

might illuminate what putin is doing now

and his goal in this war right right now

in ukraine so in 1997 you wrote a book

called foundations of geopolitics

and in it you talked about how russia

should return to being a global

superpower talk about that explain that

i always believed and i believe uh in

the future greatness of russia because

russia was always and tried to be

a

superpower it's our dream

not to rule the world but to be

recognized as one center of decisions

with others so our dream is not

unipolarity russian really polarity it

is the dream of um

decent multipalary to be one pole among

the other not to be the unique paul that

is very important and i consider a

return to the greatness or uh return to

the status of superpower not as

being the first first power in the world

but one of the most important decision

makers and in order to do that i think

that military power and weapon including

a nuclear weapon and the other kind of

weapon is not enough

we need to use diplomatic means and more

than that we need a kind of spiritual

sovereignty we need to be free and

liberated not only physically as a state

as a people but as well revival of

russian logos of russian spirit

of russian identity that is much more

important this russian identity is a key

component of an ultranationalist

ideology dugan espouses called

eurasianism because russia is both part

of europe and asia

dugan thinks russia should embrace this

geopolitical uniqueness and dominate

both spheres

no that's not what he says

we're gonna set eurasianism in direct

opposition to the west and to liberty

again logic of domination comes from

leviathan does not come from the

geopolitical school

liberalism in his 1997 book dugan wrote

that for russia to rebuild its power

globally it would need to use

disinformation

destabilization and annexation

he said one of the targets for russian

annexation should be ukraine

endugan's mind in independent ukraine

stands in the way of russia becoming a

transcontinental superpower

but that wasn't the only prescription

alexander dugan had for putin back then

here's what he told us in 2017. let me

ask you something else that you wrote

about in your book

you propose that russia

annex ukraine

you said that russia should encourage

britain to leave the eu brexit

uh you suggested that russia make iran

an ally

now it does sound as if mr putin is

following

oh shit i don't have alerts activated

here

let me add that alert box sorry

[Music]

okay

now we can replay this

hey what's up boss question have you

ever read always with honor it's the

unofficial biography of peyton rongel

the military leader of the white or the

tsar movement in the bolshevik

revolution

no i haven't read it

i have not read that

in your blueprint

all of these things right out of your

book and he's doing it

that was the same thing that they have

said introducing me in the john hopkins

institution 20 years ago in washington

so

i i agree there is a similarity more

than that

i uh

but i have uh i have um developed in my

vision eurasian vision that is much more

uh

that is larger than what you have

mentioned that is only first steps uh in

order but he followed your first steps

he followed exactly the first step let's

take too long so he is in the absolute

position of absolute power because we

are living in the monarchy society from

below so that is not putin who uh

imposes on us monarchism or

authoritarian rule we demand from him to

be much more authoritarian that he is so

he a little bit disappoints us because

it's it take too long uh

so

same is true for the special military

operation in ukraine you know russia the

russian popular

thing is like why do we still have the

fucking hands on right that's what

they're saying they're saying they want

russia to go harder harder harder

because russia's being very soft right

and uh that's why it's supposedly i

don't actually know

and you know i'm kind of gave up trying

to even figure out the fuck is going on

but that seems to be the impression

right it's what khadir alvin is saying

did the first steps first step in the 17

years so in the 17 year you could change

the the the

the globe change changed he listened to

you but he's going too slow go slow yes

there you go

now

let's get into some news let's finally

get into some news because

there is news to cover

uh believe it or not so check this out

this was really interesting

so this is on german tv and as we know

the germans are going back to their nazi

roots

and this is literally what's saying this

is literally what someone is saying on

german tv german national tv oh they'll

ban the swastika just not on the nazi

rhetoric right let's check this out

really look at this

vegas

how does this woman look in the mirror

and go live

post modern life like you know the thing

that's completely spiritual devastating

and is destroying people's families that

what what are you fucking what is good

about that he ever asked that is that

healthy for anyone

and projects

this is the anglo arrogance that

the west german american controlled

germany

adopted right

the american puppet slave germany

adopted the anglo-arrogance of like oh

we germans we are not nasty anymore we

are europeans who believe in freedom

oh i'm a german dj oh ho we're having a

good time in deutschland yeah we are

pause modern we don't believe in

anything we don't die for anything

germany dammit shut the fuck up man

i think this bullshit pretentious as

shit

acting like you're not a fucking

american colony shut the fuck up

sickness fucking bullshit

and this fucking anglo arrogance

the slave of england the slave of

america

kiss kissing anglo ass

oh we are via anglo we are via anglo

via anglo

via anglo

deutsche anglo yeah we are anglo we

believe in the anglo nihilism oh yeah

hegel marx out of here we are anglers

now oh yeah liberal freedom

the fuck up

uh

thank you we read

john rolls and

stuart mill

via via anglo now anglo german

we are post-modern liberal

ordered deutsche tradition in the

dumpster

flush it down the toilet

what a cocked country

the biggest cucked country on earth

literally the biggest cocked country on

earth

they're way more cucked than the french

at least the french

pretend to have dignity

where's the german dignity

where the fuck is german dignity they

literally gave up their oil they gave up

their fucking they fucked germany for

america

ger america said open wide germany off

yes

make yourself at home in my asshole

for what where is the german dignity

when have germans ever stood up for

themselves

they were going to get a really good

deal with russia that germany would have

benefited from greatly but she can't

have it via

you know if germany wants to be an

american colony

why don't we just make it the 51st state

and they can we just call them hamburger

land because they're the home of

hamburgers that's where hamburgers come

so germany you really want this path

okay let's just make germany the 51st

state

and let's call it hamburger land we'll

call it hamburger land and everyone's

going to have to wear leader hoes in and

trousers and shit that's the level of

cocked you know we're dealing with

that's so humiliating where is the pride

where is the dignity it is fucking

humiliating

it is disgusting

germany used to be

you know that used to be bismarck's

germany they used to

strike terror in the anglo world i mean

come on

they they fought a guerrilla war against

napoleon they were respected

you know

but oh because the nazis germany has to

be a cuck forever

even though the nazis were anglo-funded

and influenced but oh it's german's

fault

you can't be german anymore you have to

be a fucking cuck forever and you have

to pretend like you're better than

russians now oh vyan the russians shut

the fuck up you're literally german

you're in the same boat what are you

better you're better than russians

they used to call you huns

they used to fucking call you huns they

used to call you the huns

what are you now bunch of cocks

effeminate

effeminate

effeminate

effeminate

very cuckold

very cuckolden

here's scott ritter talking about that

twitter ben

welcome to issues that matter i'm

cynthia pooler all right i thought he

was just gonna talk about it i didn't

know he was going to like be interviewed

all right yeah

by the way if you need a reminder that

luna oil is a fraud remember she made

this tweet where she said she hopes the

u.s and china fight each other

yeah that's luna oy by the way and by

the way she'll never be banned from

twitch

because she doesn't have a backbone to

take a stance on any issue that fucking

matters

speech the head of russia today gave on

china this is an unprecedented

blossoming of russia china relations so

check this out it's beautiful

you know what's beautiful about russia

russia's returning

to true russia

true muscovy

russia's returning to ivan the terrible

where it's qing china

and the zardam of muscovy and they're

both asian empires and that whole period

from peter the great

to the

yeltsin in 1991 that whole period was

just a fluke russia's like yup we woke

up from the western slumber now we're

joining china we're joining the

civilized world we're leaving the west

foreign

you guys can't see the subtitles they're

right here what are you talking about

don't tell me you can't see the fucking

subtitles

that bullshit

uh this is not russia related

specifically but it's uh

hilarious um

and i do want to show it to you because

wow i've never seen anything like this

ever

so we okay so we're going to talk about

america now and we're not going to talk

about russia we're going to talk about

america right this is our country right

so you look at our country our great

country it is a great country i would

never deny that but i mean

this is also what's going on here right

and this is also what we're dealing with

right

and it's worthy of some examination

right it's worthy of some

examination so check this out

[Applause]

[Music]

that's scary okay

[Applause]

you know what's scary about this is it's

like

what's actually kind of terrifying about

this is just the fact that it's like

this is what this is like the definition

of what america is right now

you're going to shake the hand and it's

not there and what do you do

this is literally america right now it's

act you know this is i don't know for

some reason this is so artistic it's

like it's the most terrifying thing in

the world

shit this is really america it's like

you're looking for that

[Applause]

you're looking for something to make

sense of what's going on and it's just

not there and we're alone

and this is our president

this is what america's been reduced to a

pure formality of a gesture there's no

this is what american statehood is it's

just a pure gesture

the pure veneer of a president with

nothing on the other end it's just a

hand waiting to be shaked

and the public is not shaking that hand

and it might be because biden's a little

too

handsy

he's a little too handsy

right

always been a little too handsy

but wow that's just the ikes

finally um

[Music]

check this out

uh

so guess what twitter did

in response to elon musk's offer

so twitter

a

statement twitter said its board of

directors has unanimously adopted a

poison pill defense in response to tesla

so that's gonna get them in trouble

because there's gonna be a lawsuit so if

you don't know what a poison pill is it

means it's basically gonna make more

shares create more shares of the company

which is acting against the interests of

the people who already own shares

because it's gonna dilute their

representation and control over twitter

creating more shares means your share is

going to be worth less right

so that's the poison pill and it's all

to prevent elon musk to from buying the

company now why do they want to prevent

musk from buying the company well they

want to do it because

it is literally needed by the deep state

for twitter to censor if twitter can't

sense imagine if they bring trump back

you know the deep state will collapse

unironically it's like something that

fucking small and meaningless can

literally destroy

it can literally destroy everything it

can literally collapse the whole fucking

system right

and that's honestly what we're dealing

with here

this they're not doing this for any

economic reason right they're doing it

for a political reason

and you know i i don't trust musk i you

shouldn't trust musk i mean who knows

what his connections are i don't know

what his fucking connections are right

but

i mean you gotta admit

we're all i mean look i don't care what

his connections are if he can buy

twitter and just there's no censorship

on twitter

wow that would be so fucking based trump

is back everybody's back we're secure

for the future i mean

wow

that's gonna be a happy day

and then look imagine the precedent this

is gonna set imagine the precedent this

is gonna set

imagine if it happens to twitch

imagine if it gives it gives jeff bezos

the balls to be like hey twitch we're

going to do the same thing no more

tyranny of the fucking journalists the

ones who got me deep live no more we're

going to have a

free speech society again

and that would be nice

and look if you want to have censorship

then we should just be a communist

country right if we're not going to have

the good parts then let's not have the

bad parts okay

that's what i'm saying we're not having

the good parts like you know

a society with real social solidarity

and meaning and purpose then why are we

fucking doing the authoritarian stuff if

we don't have any of the fucking

benefits

you know it's fascism that's what it is

it's fascism

check this out

best blue check mark meltdowns of the

elon musk

twitter buyout

oh boy this is going to be great

this is going to be hilarious and this

is going to be great so

look at this i mean this is a great cope

thread we're going to have a lot of fun

reviewing it axios

the world's richest man someone who used

to be compared to marvel's iron man is

increasingly behaving like a movie super

villain commanding seemingly unlimited

resources with which to finance his

mischief making

said some fucking loser journalist

with nothing to offer the world but a

cushioned salaried fucking position

that they got because they were given it

not because they actually earned it in

any substantive

way

that's what we're talking about here

and it's pretty fucking sad

today on twitter feels like the last

evening in a berlin nightclub at the

twilight of weimar germany

if you want to ask where censorship

comes from it don't come from the cia it

doesn't come from you know that these

people with suits and it comes from

fucking pussies like this like jeff

jarvis this is the reason we have

censorship it's literally people like

jeff jarvis who fucking they can't

fucking handle people who disagree with

them and that's their fucking reason

that's the reason this shit it's this

people like this

this is the fucking enemy

if elon musk purchases twitter it could

result in world war three and the

destruction of our planet

musk's appointment to twitter board

shows that we need regulation of social

media platforms to prevent rich people

from controlling our channels of

communication

what

rich that's how you're spinning this

rich people controlling our channels of

communication

by what by by allowing

more people to have a voice that's

control that's a weird way to talk about

con so elon musk is controlling our

channels of communication

by allowing more speech by not being

restrictive enough

what the fuck kind of bizarro world are

we living in

what is this fucking weird bizarro world

this is like how do you sell this shit

so we're being

controlled by rich people because

they're allowing speech to exist that

otherwise would be prohibited like

that's controlled

freedom means that uh you know haas gets

d platform from twitch that's the only

way we could be free

this is such a reach and a fucking cope

how do you even like think like this

how the fuck does a pampered baby bitch

think this way

your rich people are controlling our

channels of communication

[Applause]

[Music]

what

they're controlling our means of

communication by allowing morse what the

fuck is going on

this is like when that person was like

amazon is

making money

with russian this info look you don't

they don't ever recognize the fact that

like

sometimes hilarious coming from wapo who

owns wapo thank you voidburn yeah that's

a good point that's actually a great

point

but it's like yeah like what the fuck

like holy shit

controlling how do you get to a fucking

how do you cope that hard and get to

like that level of a reach you know

how do you get to that level of just

pure reach

that's pathetic

that's honestly fucking pathetic

let me like try to like break down the

pathology this is like it's there's so

much contained in this we need

regulation of social media to prevent

rich people from controlling our

channels like so it's like because the

people you want silenced

aren't being silenced that means you're

being oppressed and controlled right how

the what you know that that's like

angelica from rugrats that's what it

fucking reminds me of it's like the most

pampered entitled cry baby fucking

spoiled brat position i could possibly

fucking think of like where the fuck

does that come from how do you have the

audacity to publicly say something this

fucking tone death lacking so much

fucking self-awareness

all please note that tesla and musk have

their own troll farm a very very bad

sign only a douchebag needs a troll farm

dear elon fuck off your ego is way

bigger than your judgment and your money

doesn't make

i don't want to leave twitter but it

seems a given that if musk buys it it

will become completely uninhabitable for

trans people and lots of other people

the reason truth social gab and all

these other right-wing platforms have

failed is smart people don't want to

spend our time there please recuse

yourself from the public sphere and seek

deprogramming tall fold comrade thank

you shown a comrade it must buy his

twitter this battles everything the

trusted safety team has done many of us

will go elsewhere it will literally

destroy twitter yeah i'm sure yeah if

you check marks leave twitter it's over

so let me get this straight if you check

marks leave and trump comes back and all

of the funny people come back oh i'm

sure it's going to be super unpopular i

mean guys look at network ratings joe

rogan's at the top tucker carlson's

number two

clearly

you you want to know who's more popular

it's not these people okay

right-wing lunatics may despise us and

the standards of civility we expect but

the truth is their social media networks

fail without us you know what this

reminds me of this reminds me of ayn

rand's atlas shrugged in an atlas

shrugged iron rand was like

what if all of the rich people go on

strike

and society would collapse

and you know what there might be a grain

of truth to that because those

industrialists were also managing stuff

that you know they were experts and

engineers and shit so maybe shit would

collapse but like

these this is like a bus this is like a

funny version of atlas shrugged where

like all of the useless unproductive

social parasites of our society who

literally offer nothing of value that no

one likes at all

go on strike and everyone would

literally either celebrate or not care

at best they just wouldn't notice

but i'm pretty sure we would have a like

everyone would like be partying without

these people

oh we're gonna go on strike it leave if

you do this they get the fuck out of

here then this is like when lena dunham

threatened to leave america if trump got

elected okay lina

trump got elected

you can go

you can really go i mean you you can

really really go you know nobody's

nobody is asking you to stay you can

actually go

i'm frightened okay this okay this guy

max boot has a fedora this

journalist piece of shit

and remember journalists are the enemy

they're the ones who got me fucking d

platformed fuck the journalists piece of

shit

max boot you fat obese fuck

i am frightened by the impact that

society and politics if elon musk

acquires twitter he seems to believe

that on social media anything goes for

democracy to survive we need more

content moderation not less

why

why

can you explain the reasoning behind

that

what for democracy to survive we need

less democracy well that's pretty much

what hitler said isn't it hitler was

like

hitler was like for

that's what he said that's literally

what hitler said he's like if if anglo

modernity needs to survive we need let

we need

less of it

i mean it's dialectics okay hey max boot

i don't think you're actually talking

about democracy i think you're talking

about the appearance of a democracy or

the illusion or veneer of a democracy

but like in terms of a system in which

the majority imposes their will

on

society

this is the most nonsensical stupid

fucking statement i've ever heard

a democracy is about the rule of a

majority why would you need more content

moderation for a democracy to survive

just curious

yeah

just curious

just curious

elon musk buying twitter is the end of

the world

basically he'll amplify every extremist

right-wing nazi he can find

look at this guy look at this guy noisy

mv you fucking

i mean this sums it up

these are all my enemies on twitter by

the way

please now elon must buy twitter please

though and look at this genocidal

hitlerite woman with the fucking

sunflower

the azov battalion symbol of the

sunflower of dead russian bodies

that's heavy metal i guess but it's also

nazi

breaking elon musk makes 41.4 billion

cash offer to buy twitter presumably to

turn it into a hate speech and

disinformation playground in line with

his sensibilities oh and to get trump

elected president again if elon succeeds

a mass exodus from twitter is

appropriate where the fuck are you gonna

go cause no one's gonna follow you

look at this fat guy

well

it's not of just a it's not a fat guy

it's a soy jack look at this literal soy

jack

okay

if you want more spikes if anyone must

buy his twin allowance trump back on

twitter it will be the death flow of the

free world trump's big lie will spread

like a virus i discuss danger if comes

big lie for so long like hitler's big

lie it must not be normalized let's

fashion some return he's literally

hitler

elon musk is donald trump with money if

he owns twitter i'm out and get the fuck

out bitch

here we go i mean lit all of the fucking

people who deserve to be flushed down

the toilet

look at this guy all these these are the

people who control us look how much

power they have over our lives what the

fuck

they're all coming out of the woodwork

here we go elon musk target twitter with

41 billion cash takeover offer this

could mean the end of content moderation

and the platform descending into

disinformation and far-right extremism

elon seriously it's like i saw this one

okay i mean i think that's enough that's

like wow and yikes that's like a

combination of wow and also yikes

and also

ha

and also

yikes

and also

wow

and also

huh

so what should we think of the story was

we should say at the outset that not

every tragedy has obvious lessons we are

hesitant to draw

quick and dirty looks especially in ray

example so i don't give a shit about

this

he where's the one where he talks about

the democratic party because i'm

interested in that one

here

good evening and welcome to tucker

carlson tonight has there been look back

a single 24-hour period since joe biden

became the president when you haven't

been horrified by something you saw on

the news

probably not the cascade of absurdities

has been relentless it's like nothing

any american has ever seen and today

we're sad to say was especially

depressing inflation hit another record

high and that's according to the cooked

government statistics or leaders have

devised to hide inflation

but it turns out there's no hiding the

price of meat and gas the value of the

dollar has dropped off a cliff even as

the value of the russian ruble

is rising

so ponder that for a moment and chuckle

bitterly to yourself

and then in new york city this morning

16 people were shot in the subway in

brooklyn by some lunatic wearing a

hoodie them needing

safe spaces none of these we made zerg

self-inclusion y'all

thank you sean

hello omega lol oh thank you chris

appreciate you

these surveillance cameras in the subway

station happened to be working at the

time so the guy got away

we do know he was not a white

supremacist who are betting the media

are not going to dwell on this there's

nothing to gain from covering this

particular atrocity just another mass

shooting in a big city

it's also sad

but mayhem and economic decline are not

for once what we are opening the show

with tonight

no we have genuinely good news and here

it is it looks possible that elon musk

will seize control of twitter and end

censorship on that platform now why

should you care about that it's like a

tech story right who cares about social

media here's why you should care because

if that were to happen

we could see a return of free speech to

the united states and nothing should

give you more hope than that possibility

a free twitter would mean an open debate

about ideas on the single most important

incubator of elite opinion in the world

it would mean a return to free and fair

elections in the united states a system

in which both sides are allowed to make

their case to the public and then the

public can decide it's called democracy

and above all a free twitter would mean

a direct challenge to the people in

charge of our country's institutions

many of whom are incompetent

for the first time in years we will be

able to talk honestly about our leaders

we'll be able to have the kind of

conversations that make democracy

possible we can't have those

conversations now and there's a reason

for it

the point of setting reduced stream

delay you know that's one of the things

that twitch was so much better about is

that there's there's a delay between the

chat and the stream that's on youtube

that's like

it's like five minutes you know on

twitch it's literally like a millisecond

delay and that's a really big problem

that's a really really big problem with

uh youtube

censorship is never to shield the weak

that's a really big fuck i wonder if

youtube gaming solves that but um

it sucks

no matter what barack obama may tell you

the point of censorship always and

everywhere is to protect entrenched

power that's why it's the powerful who

impose censorship for their own benefit

and that's exactly why a illegitimate

regimes fight so hard to control

information through censorship that's

their main concern why they so focused

on that that's why

somehow the right does not seem to

understand this the left definitely

understands it

watch this msnbc anchor appear to

realize in real time what it would mean

if the democratic party hold on i think

i can choose ultra low latency as an

option

um

yikes

yikes

yeah it's set at the normal latency not

ultra low

that's the problem

that's the problem

is donor base ever lost control of an

influential social media platform

and the bigger question on everyone's

mind now

will musk's newfound twitter power mean

trump will be back on the platform

and on that possibly nightmare inducing

note i wish you a good night

it would be a nightmare she tells us if

a democratically elected president were

allowed to speak in public

and in some ways she's right

shattering its monopoly on speech could

break the democratic party even an msnbc

anchor understands that why are they so

determined to keep you from talking

because they know your talking is the

threat to their power allowing the free

exchange of ideas in america's public

square is far more important than any

single election result

honestly i heard actually i'm i'm

hearing that latency is better on

youtube when you do ultra low

than twitch

which means we'll be able to interact

with each other

next stream we're gonna have a

we might have a parasocial experience

going guys i might actually be able to

talk to you

that's actually crazy

if you don't believe it consider what

you've just seen over the past two years

you could elect donald trump if you want

go ahead and do it but the democratic

party can still silence donald trump at

will

so what does that tell you who's more

powerful voters or the social media

companies that control what voters know

it's not even close republicans in

congress pretend not to understand this

maybe they really are that stupid

possible doesn't matter because either

way they will never fix it ever they've

had a chance they passed

even jack dorsey who created twitter

could not end censorship on twitter and

so in the end jack dorsey fled his own

company when it became a frankenstein

monster that made america more

hierarchical rather than less a company

that served the powerful at the expense

of everyone else that was the opposite

of the intended effect so he just left

he had no choice

elon musk virtually alone in the entire

technology industry appears to

understand what exactly is happening

here here's musk in 2018 appearing on 60

minutes

acknowledging that in a world of

corporate media twitter can act as an

equalizer watch

you tweet a lot

i use my tweets to express myself

some people use their hair i use twitter

well but you use your tweeting the chat

moves so slow on youtube it's disgusting

it's actually disgusting how slow the

chat moves on youtube

it's actually like to the point of being

sickening and sad

to kind of get back at critics

you kind of have little wars with the

press twitter is a war zone if

somebody's gonna jump in the war zone

it's like okay you're in the arena let's

go

okay

who does that sound like

i don't know who does it sound like it

sounds like a guy who lives at the white

house oh that guy yeah sure

he's very good at twitter

twitter is a war zone now that tape is

from three and a half years ago twitter

is no longer a war zone there's only one

army on the field donald no i'm still

fighting the war

it's definitely a war war zone trump has

been banned for twitter despite the fact

he may run in the next presidential race

he's an active politician with millions

of people who would support him he's

been banned charlie kirk had a huge

following on twitter he's been suspended

too so is the battle yeah i have like

double i have like uh half viewers on

youtube than i do on twitch

which you know which means youtube like

i said it's going to be a grind upwards

right

youtube is not going to be something

where i just like

i i transfer over all the success i

built on twitch i have to build

everything back from the ground up

i'm pretty much where i was one year ago

right now where this show has been

suspended

questioning and prevailing storyline

is the crime do that and but that's okay

because we're going to give this a few

months we're going to give it a chance

and i think i hope it's going to work i

hope it works on it doesn't matter if

you're factually right we were factually

right it doesn't matter challenge power

and you are censored instantly

now it's hard to believe that the

world's richest man is the only person

who could fix this you'd like to think

our democratic systems could fix it but

clearly all right

all right guys

there's some breaking news i'm going to

cover so i'm going to give you a preview

of this and we're going to do

full-fledged coverage of it tomorrow so

let me give you a preview

i'm i'm not grifting i mean what i say

and i like i i like i do everything

because i like how i'm passionate and i

care and i don't i don't

and

most people aren't they're not that

that's from chelsea manning

and that's gonna be tomorrow's story

not tonight

we're gonna break that story tomorrow

and i think you know like i said youtube

streams

uh although richard met hurst he does

like eight hour streams but um

you know people just don't like chilling

here you know people like chilling on

twitch they don't like chilling here

they don't have parasociality

[Music]

it's so i'm just kidding

but guys

let me get to work

let me get to work on stuff

yeah

it's time to get to work

to work on some videos

get to work on other stuff

writings reading

we'll do this guys we'll make this work

we'll make it work

we'll make it work

we don't get to choose

faith

does it for us

but let's make sure of something ladies

and gentlemen let's make sure my next

stream we're doing ultra low latency

army

is immortal

our army is immortal

the very bare minimum

our army is immortal

our gorilla army

that's what fucking matters

remember remember what i told you two

months ago

three months ago

i told you

look the viewers are low remember we

were there on twitch and i said but it's

the 300 spartans that'll ride with me no

matter where we fucking go and we're

here and now we're in the wilderness of

youtube and we're gonna build up our

fucking army again

and we're gonna get more spartans

because twitch was not the place for

spartans youtube is and we're getting

spartans on youtube we're gonna get our

spartans

and we're gonna grow our army we're

going to grow our army and let's set a

goal by the end of the summer we're not

going to have 300 spartans

we're going to have 1 000 spartans 1 000

people that ride with us wherever we

fucking go

1 000 spartans

that's our goal 1 000 spartans by the

end of the summer

1 000 spartans

that's our goal

we're gonna get more gorillas we're

gonna grow our shit we're gonna grow our

army

this is the test

this is the ultimate test

are you ready to ride

are you ready to ride

get to the fucking stables

because we're going out

and we're conquering this bitch