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uh we're just gonna get right into this

shit

or should we wait for the others to come

no we're not gonna wait I don't give a

fuck

I don't give a fuck

I

got a lot of shit to do

I have a lot of fucking shit to do

I have a lot of shit to fucking do man I

got a lot of shit to fucking do with

this room I'm trying to decorate it and

shit and there's nothing there I know

it's been a fucking day and there's

nothing there I get it I've been working

with the stud finder I got got to get a

fucking drill

should I just drill the sword on the

wall right now

I'm literally so close I just got done

charging my fucking drill I've marked

the points at which I'm gonna put my

fucking

thing and I feel like I should just do

that

all right you know what if I see one

complainer in the chat I'm just Banning

them so starting with bimin 32 he said

poop Mike

I personally hate you I have personal

fucking hatred for you I I actually it's

personal too I fucking hate you and as

soon as I figure out how to fucking let

me find this guy

oh easiest ban in my life banned for

life and by the way YouTube bands are

permanent because I don't there's some

guy who keeps fucking spamming me to

unban him from the I think his name's

like Mike the manager Mike the manager

shut the fuck up every day my mods

spam me to tell me that I have to unban

you from the chat if I have banned you

from the YouTube chat you are such an

asshole you deserved it I don't know how

to unban people from the fucking chat so

don't expect it to fucking happen just

make a new YouTube account and use that

one

fuck's sake

speaking of annoying fucking things

every day I gotta fucking deal with

some bullshit all around man

and I just I got problems man I got

problems y'all don't know about man I

got health problems and shit I got

health problems and shit

I gotta get a fucking procedure one

month for I hate doctors man I'm just so

sick of this shit I'm just so sick of

this shit I'm so sick of this fucking

shit I'm just I'm sad going to

appointments every fucking month there's

like they're a month in between each

other and then nothing fucking I'll come

back now I go see the doctor for five

minutes I'll come back next month what

why did I fucking come then when are you

gonna solve my fucking problem

I go and they're just like they five

minutes they'll just be like oh okay

I'll see you in a month and they've been

doing this to me since fucking September

and I'm fucking sick of it

holy fuck I need a new doctor

fuck's sake man just want to get this

fucking problem solved man it's like

holding me down you know can't do shit

man

all right

all right let's just do this debate so

I'm gonna give you some background info

on the debate

so um a friend of a friend of a friend

of a friend of a friend of a friend of a

friend

know a guy who used to be a fan of the

show

and they asked me to debate him

because he used to be a really big fan

of the show but now he hates me and he

thinks um infrared is like this big cult

and it's basically the same thing as the

pat sock Dems where it's like it was the

Baristas was the Tipping Point like the

insulting the sacred Barista class was

just too far that was just the point at

which oh there could be no forgiveness

there could be no you know

reconciliations there's two it's just

too far and it's just such an egregious

heresy that cannot be forgiven under any

circumstances whatsoever

and that's where we're at right now okay

that's where we're at and that's what

we're dealing with and we're gonna go

ahead

okay okay you know what I want to start

the debate right now but let's get a

fucking drum roll let's get a fucking

drum roll from the chat where I just

basically want everyone I want everyone

to basically

give me some sun gorillas in the fucking

chat Why Don't We Get Hype again right

what happened to fucking what happened

to this chat what happened to the

fucking hype in the chat huh even when I

was at 50 viewers we was more hyped in

this shit let's get some Hypes in the

chat hype in the chat hype in the chat

hype in the chat hype in the chat hype

in the chat fuck doctors hype in the

chat hype in the chat hype in the chat

let me tell you guys something Sun

gorilla roll call right fucking now

right now it's what I want to see I want

to see some goddamn Sun gorillas in the

chat we're going forward motherfucker I

don't give a fuck I'm Kratos in this

bitch we're going forward into the

winter and I don't give a fuck I'm

taking down wherever the fuck I gotta

take down and I'm going to war again man

I don't give a fuck I'm I'm it's War

we're going to war don't make me turn on

Papoose don't make me turn on Papoose

because we're going to war

I don't know who we're gonna be up

against and who we're going to be

fighting I think it's going to be those

NATO motherfuckers but I just kind of

feel like shit is beyond words at this

point I just kind of feel like shit is

beyond words at this point we're past

the point of words what the fuck else

can we do huh we're past the point of

motherfucking words but we're going to

war motherfuckers I can guarantee you as

much

good morning Revolution good morning

Revolution pretty flacko appreciate you

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there we go thank you so much crack

dealer I appreciate you brother I

appreciate you brother thank you so much

man

so let's get let's get right into it far

the debate is concerned

I just got me and my hairy ass

hello

uh turn off the Stream

okay

all right

okay let's get right into it so you used

to be a fan of the infrared so when were

you a fan well

I've been I was a fan

prior to I guess a lot of discourses I

guess it was one of the first Pat soak

discourse came up when people were

fighting against like anti-conquista and

honestly like all these as you classify

them as like by zuo leftists which I

wholeheartedly agree with you on you

know the psychias faction of like

Marxist today basically like fake third

worldists I really agreed with all the

critiques that you guys made and I

really agreed with the reconciliation of

like conservatism America's founding a

lot of things that logo used to say or

still says you know it really made sense

you know things like Ron Paul maoism all

these things made so much sense in the

context of American politics

um so yeah I became an infrared fan and

the Barista discourse really did not

make me an X fan

um I disagreed with some aspects of it

or maybe thought some aspects of it

weren't that clear of your position on

Baristas but I disagree with a lot of

the larger discourse around it that

infrared Community had but I was never

an ex-fan and I still supported you guys

and I supported you guys through all the

Russia stuff because you had all the

fake socialist DSA faction the anarcho

Socialist tendency that exist in the

Marxist sphere they were all attacking

you for having a true Anti-Imperialist

lens so I still supported you all the

way through that and I don't necessarily

think it's fair to either say I'm truly

a x fan because I still agree with you

guys ideologically on a lot of things

um honestly most things but

and this I don't I don't think infrared

itself is a cult I don't think you went

out of your way to develop a cold I just

think more correctly the term would be

there's a cult of personality aspect but

I feel like I sort of see

that's building an infrared where

certain discourses are all right but you

basically but you weren't this nuanced

when you said we were a cult and okay

first of all yeah no I'm sorry I'm sorry

I don't want to interrupt you yeah I

mean you know you're saying this but

when you call this a call Qureshi thank

you so much man holy shit appreciate you

well you basically wasn't that nuanced

when you just straight out said we were

a call right you're right I wasn't that

nuanced right so so you think a lot of

the new content that you had was just

kind of like lame shit honestly and I

was just like you know reacting to it

but yeah I did say you were a cult what

was the lame shit you mean it's just

like not entertaining or do you mean it

was uh focused on like Theory wasn't

focused on Theory but I do think the

Barista I'm mainly what I'm interested

in is the Barista discourse but yeah no

I mean like the recent streams I don't

know like

um

the blue pill hot stream I don't know

what was that like a blue pill house

stream

as I don't know I just didn't feel like

it was like substantive Theory

so what we felt like

okay well you're right you're allowed to

have fun

does that make me a call

no but you have people with around you

not around you but a lot of the base of

infrared basically like they see you as

this like

the one true Arbiter of Marxism so they

form instead of forming positions within

their their own understanding of

dialectical materialism they form

positions based on just like what you

said

can you name me a communist country that

didn't have a call to personality

well I know in one of your streams

yourself like you said Stalin himself

denounced his own Cult of Personality he

did but he was just being homeless so

like what is that all you think it was

he was making it clear that he did not

directly identify with his own call to

personality doesn't make it any less

decisive for the Soviet state

yeah but you don't think there were

larger reasons why he would have had a

critique of his own Cult of Personality

besides just the fact that he might be

humble that maybe he saw they could be

larger repercussions of having a faction

of people who don't ideologically think

about situations but only react towards

how someone they view as like an

ideological leader I think Stalin had a

very clear understanding about what role

the culture personality formed outside

the context of the party for whole the

whole of Soviet Society there would be

no Soviet socialism without the cult of

personality nor has there ever been any

form of Socialism without a cult or

personality

so do you think that when China was

basically like eliminating the game gang

of four from their leadership from how

far the cultural revolution went that

was dang was also establishing a cult of

personality or they were trying to rid

themselves of what the cult of

personality had created that time so Mao

was dead yeah but the gang the gang of

four wanted to continue this Cult of

Personality you can't do it when the

personality is dead

so do you think Deng had a cult of

personality

not really he was more of a kind of uh

transition figure for socialism I would

say I think Xi Jinping does

because I mean I don't think he has a

cult of personality though because I

think there are people who are willing

to question him and that was another

thing actually the thing that I recently

disagreed with was the

reaction towards like the covet protest

because obviously I understand some of

the criticisms toward the covered

protest in China but I also do think

there are valid reasons of why people

were protesting I mean it makes sense

because the Starbucks Union supported

the protests

yeah I mean like I don't support the

Starbucks unions in and of themselves

because I find like Petty trade unionism

that's like a DSA position that's like a

that's like literally like a Democratic

Socialist position that the unions in

and of themselves are going to save us

so I don't support I'm not like a huge

fan of the Starbucks union movement I'd

never really tweeted in support of them

but I basically didn't necessarily

understand how during through all that

discourse like

what is the basis of them like

like what is the larger thesis because

I've like watched your streams on it the

only way I really interacted through the

discourse was what a lot of your

followers were saying and it seemed like

what a lot of your followers were doing

was the conflation of like unproductive

and productive labor meaning like

socially useful or uh non-useful labor

but then I feel like you corrected that

in another stream but I guess like I'm

trying to figure out like what what

doesn't make

like a barista's labor necessarily like

proletariat because as far as I'm aware

as angles defines like what the

proletariat is

um in principles of communism

uh I could pull it up yeah when did he

write principles of communism

the exact year I don't know do you know

I could pull it up do you have a rough

estimate of what year it was

like 97 or something

you know all right so it sounds like it

was a long time ago right yeah it was a

long time ago but I mean so you just

said you don't hold on you just said

that you have a problem with the call to

personality because people are not able

to apply dialectical materialism

independently they just blindly follow

what someone else says can you

independently I'm not blindly Father Can

You independently justify the

application of engels's definition in

2022 using dialectical materialism

yeah why didn't why why is that

definition

valid in the first place

well what then I would like to

understand what your definition of

proletariat is if it's not what angles

defines it and like the principles of

Communism what makes someone proletariat

like selling wage labor like that has

Surplus value extracted because you

produce like more

um whatever it is within the span of

period you're being paid your wage

what makes someone proletarian it's like

the rigid definition of class from the

19th century cannot be applied in the

21st century whatsoever you can ask

Which social formations best epitomize

the interests of a proletarian class you

can ask which you know what kind of art

or what kind of politics or what kind of

ideology represents proletarian

Consciousness you can go down that road

but to say like what makes a person

proletarian today

that is just isolating people from The

Wider context it just it's kind of a

nonsensical question

so but so like I don't feel like it's a

nonsense on uh question it is because

they don't have a definition is what

you're telling me

the definition of the proletariat if I

had to say in terms of like Neo and like

neoliberalism globalism okay if I had to

if I had to Define and all you're asking

is for me to simplify what the

proletariat is the proletariat is the

working class

so then like what's the working class

like

yeah class that is okay engaged in labor

the real definition of Labor which Marx

was very clear about outlining and

defining in his early philosophical

manuscripts

so it's the class engaged in labor first

and foremost B

it's the class upon who upon the

foundation of whose labor all of the

prophets

of society and moreover the way in which

society can even reproduce itself the

state the bureaucracy corporations

whatever all of those come from their

labor so that's what the proletariat is

yeah Working Class People who like sell

their labor power and turn for wages

their labor their yes there's the wages

are being exchanged for labor power

labor power doesn't mean hey I want you

to go do this I want you to sweep the

floor with this broom labor power is a

very sophisticated category which

involves

a specific understanding of how Surplus

value is produced so yes labor power

isn't just hey go you know fetch some

milk for me from the cows udders and

I'll give you a coin it's not that's not

what labor Powers labor power is a very

specific category

yeah but I'm saying like what what makes

a barista then not uh like working class

by your definition of proletariat like

it sounds like they would fall under

that

they're not

how

the so-called labor that Baristas engage

in

has nothing to do with the labor of the

proletarian class at any point in

history

morals of them

the specific the point in history you're

saying things have changed in terms of

the definition of a proletarian right so

then why are we using historical

references of the definition of the

proletaries they're not referring to

their I'm not referring to their work

because I'm not referring to their work

as a specific use value I'm referring to

Baristas in terms of the specific social

formation they represent namely people

who work

uh stood in the service sector basically

and in particular

or Starbucks and acquiring quote-unquote

class Consciousness to unionize

Starbucks and fight for the rights just

like how graduate students try to form

unions and all that jazz it's pretty

much the same thing in terms of its real

class significance

but I guess the thing though that I also

seen in the discourse was like this like

widespread wholesale attack of like the

service industry in general but then you

know one thing I pointed out to several

people was like you know China's been

expanding their service economy for the

last like two decades for two of those

decades basically well I mean like like

one of those decades China can destroy

its service economy right now and it

will still survive it's a con the

Bedrock of its economy Will Survive we

do that in America or you do that in

Britain there's no America or Britain

anymore

well I'm saying why is China expanding

their service economy like because it's

a luxury I mean it's a luxury they can

afford to do yeah we haven't made that

the foundation of their economy like we

have tried to do here well it's a larger

percentage of their GDP now than

manufacturing has been for the last 10

years

you Proclaim yourself to be a Marxist

but think GDP is a reliable indicator of

the significance of a given economic

sector

well no because I also understand that

China is also the largest agricultural

provider but agriculture is still only

eight percent of their economic output

like the services industry in China is

increasing massively because of the

exact thing that you said people in uh

economies that have produced like

Surplus wealth which is like what

socialism of Chinese characteristics has

done they want access to these kind of

Commodities like people like going out

and getting can you get to the point

what is my point yeah is that how do you

think Baristas are not necessarily

revolutionary or service workers are not

necessarily revolutionary SEIU and union

workers had walkouts against the vaccine

mandates at SEIU this gigantic liberal

Union that's entrenched in the

democratics

what what place what workplace are you

referring to it's the largest service

industry Union in the United States with

over 3 million members

okay

and they walked out of our vaccine

mandates good for them

yeah so like I'm saying like what is

unrevolutionary about the nature of

service workers or Baristas or like what

is the whole discourse predicated on

like what was the point of like this

massive discourse that really like

seemed to divide people what was the

real like thesis I'll give you the

thesis

the thesis says there has been zero

connection between so-called marxists

Living in America or the west and the

working class for decades now there's a

specific reason for this right but

recently these intellectuals these

Intelligentsia if you would dignify them

that label I would not these marxists

have made inroads in being able to

unionize people like Baristas or

graduate students or people who would

otherwise be disposed to agree with the

specific form of Consciousness

intellectuals have

not because it authentically relates to

any real class reality

but because the reflexivity reflexivity

being the means by which they take a

distance towards society and you know

understand Society under the lens of a

contrived Theory or a contrived

discourse or a contrived culture

they have

fashioned themselves as these kind of

hipster reflexive in the know classes

social formations which is also a

signifier of social parasitism so the

extent to which these marxists have been

successful in reaching the working class

has only been the extent to which

they've been able to reach people who

are similar to them socially namely

people who are not

only are not part of the working class

but are

um can be characterized by a number of

characteristics a

they are unpopular classes they're not a

class that can represent in any

reasonable sense the majority of people

in America be they are reflexive classes

which means for some in some kind of way

they make a living off of thinking about

the world in some kind of way mental

Labor uh C they are heavily urbanized

right they're urbanized and they're

gentrifiers and they're young people who

move to these cities in order to you

know carve out some kind of creative

life for themselves now I don't know

exactly what the statistics are but I

can probably guess that a good number of

Baristas

probably are Baristas on the side while

they're in college pursuing some kind of

career or they're struggling artists or

there's something of that nature and

they don't really see it as like the

ends of their life to be a barista of

some kind that's holds true for probably

the majority of the service sector it's

actually why America is still facing a

huge labor shortage across the board

because when it comes to the actual

working class

they're not doing this they don't have

some like higher aspiration

in the main right that they can afford

to have like being in college or

whatever

they are basically dropping out of the

workplace in Mass numbers because they

find these to be undignified jobs not

becoming

you know of a human being

so when Baristas come out here and they

start unionizing and leftists and

communism marxists start celebrating

this as a victory of the working class

this is just rank opportunism they've

just completely redefined what the

working class is or they've stretched

the definition of the proletariat and an

absurd and dishonest way

to explain and cover up their failure

for reaching the actual working class

and they've also decided to say things

like oh yeah the actual working class

you know the people who work for their

hands those are the backwards sections

of the proletariat the Baristas are the

advanced one graduate students who are

at fucking NYU or something that are

trying to form a a union that's the

advanced section of the proletariat this

is what class struggle really is see

we're doing it we're doing what Lenin

did we're doing what Marx did we're

doing what's mild did we're doing What

communists in the past did look at us

we're doing it and they're not fucking

doing it right that's my fucking problem

they have failed to learn the insights

of the history of Marxism leninism and

in an opportunistic way they are using

these examples to prove

that they're right about this shit and

they're not Baristas are not the working

class they're fucking Baristas

I mean to the extent that a barista can

be a member of the working class is only

to the extent that they just want to

shit on their job and get the fuck out

of that job they're just an average Joe

who got caught up and is just trying to

make some money yeah that's a working

class person that person has no

particular loyalty or sense of

entitlement to a job like being a

fucking Barista because they know very

well that this is an undignified

prostitute-like job where you're sitting

there smiling for customers yeah I mean

it's like you may as well you may as

well be a fucking prostitute at that

point no this is not a job that is a

this is not a job that anyone sees as

like yeah like like in the past you know

when people are in factories working

they were like you know what

this job I'm A working class man I work

in the factory factories keep our

country running we deserve a fair

whatever because we Factory workers

otherwise this would be a dignified job

if it were not for the circumstances and

conditions of labor hours and pay okay

so that's why that was there this is not

the case for Baristas the only people

who want to be Baristas are fucking

social parasites because Starbucks

doesn't actually fucking produce any

surplus value whatsoever it robs the

Surplus value from the actual working

class redistributed redistributes it

through financial abstractions and

credit to the service sector the service

sectors inherently parasitic surely you

know that and this the people who want

to have a Starbucks Union and want to

turn Starbucks into what the Twitter

employees used to have before Elon Musk

they just want to create this craft

unionism where they are just this

privileged stratum above the actual

working class and they're so cozy and

comfy at Starbucks where working there

oh what a what a nice validating comfy

job I'm a fucking Barista fuck why

should anyone have a why should anyone

make a living off of making fucking

coffee

well why well one I mean you just

contradicted yourself because you said

they view themselves in jobs that they

hate that are undignified but then they

also view themselves in jobs that are

cushy and comfortable and they're trying

to make it that that's what they're

trying to make but I don't think it's

like a prostitute all right just like

how uh Pro sex work people are trying to

make prostitution they have prostitute

unions and shit it's the same thing but

dude that's exactly what I'm saying is

like this conflation between sex work

and Baristas is actually ridiculous

because the whole argument of sex work

is that not only you're not selling your

labor your body itself is the commodity

where you're you're that's true for

services

that's uh it's just on the Spectrum it's

on the special thing if you're a service

worker if you're a service worker okay

can I work for Starbucks okay can I work

for Starbucks and dress as Osama bin

Laden

I mean

what is that like wearing a turban no

like the guy Osama Bin Laden can I dress

as him

I mean I would assume not probably

am I more likely to get away with

dressing as Osama Bin Laden in a steel

factory or Starbucks

um I mean probably a steel factory right

because in a steel factory it's actually

that I'm getting paid for the labor I do

not for my presence and my appearance

and my demeanor and whether I'm smiling

or not or whether I'm making people

comfortable or not that's the fucking

thing there is no economy of affect all

of that stuff about how affect is

commoditizable and emotions our labor

all that is fucking prostitute drivel

has nothing to do with Marxism

whatsoever no and that's where the

Starbucks people are coming from

the thing that you're comparing like sex

work and bird used to work it's not the

same because the whole thing they're not

the same but they're on the same

spectrum they are categorically trying

to compare sex work to like doing

McDonald's the Democratic socialists are

like sex workers work it's just like

selling it's just like selling your

labor power at a McDonald's and that's

that's the fucking actual the false

analysis of what sex work is so to

compare sex work to being a barista

because not only are Baristas at

Starbucks because I think the

ideological reproduction of people in

Starbucks comes from like people who

want to work at Starbucks some of them

just need they need to work a job

they're good at making coffee a lot of

them are your college students that

you're talking about sure so they just

need a job they have an identity so they

just need a job and they just need to

make some money great those people so I

would like to address these people one

of the barriers that I know is she's

she's anti-woke she supports she's

against all the new LGBT bullshit

um like she doesn't support any of it

she's been a barista for like 10 years

it's the Starbucks

and if the Starbucks Union gets its way

um she will not have a I mean she better

get used to more LGBT stuff at Starbucks

then because with with the power of

Labor comes also the power of uh

pursuing all of these social agendas to

an unprecedented degree so but you know

regardless

the thing is if people are just trying

to get by and they just happen to be

working at a fucking coffee shop that's

fine but don't sit here and say that

people who work at coffee shops are

entitled to this this and that as coffee

shop workers thank you so much Lionel

appreciate you you can say as a citizen

of the United States of America you can

say as an ordinary working class person

you can say even as a human being but as

a barista no a burrito the job of

Baristas should be driven out of

existence

as a member of someone who has to go and

sell their labor power for a wage every

day they organize so that way they can

get certain things that benefit them no

you no no no no there is not a chance

you have more light luck in doing crypto

to improve your personal situ personal

living situation then spending like

years trying to organize it you will

personally see none of that people who

organize have a specific institutional

agenda that they're dedicating their

lives to for some kind of fucking reason

but it's not fucking personal that

nobody has a direct relationship really

who's on the front lines organizing for

any of this stuff between their personal

outcome of their life

and you know their your existing living

situation if you start you organizing to

form a union you're taking a huge risk

you can get fired you can like you know

you can get um

your pro your chances of getting rehired

might be deeply uh

worsened so it's not a personal thing at

all there's nothing like oh I'm doing

this for survival well Kevin go rob a

bank dude

organizing is not going to improve your

life at all

but don't you support like the Striking

rail workers who just got like shafted

by the Democrats like what what's their

reason for doing it like why don't they

just rob a bank I think they're actually

making a point actually and I think

they're organized enough at this point

to actually have the leverage to do it

and that's why but I just said

organizing you're not going to be like

this first of all you'll never be like

the Striking whale Ray workers because

one your labor is not that important two

you're you won't be as organized as they

are and if you want to know why that is

refer back to the first point the only

reason they're that organized in the

first place because their labor is that

important because if they if one person

strives to organize the Striking workers

at the railways and they go on strike

guess what there's no um coffee that's

going to be delivered to the Baristas to

put into their machines in the first

place and there's going to be no stuff

to be put into the store shelves in the

first place at all in these stores the

service sector collapses everything

collapses that's how important labor is

I'm not trying to argue that that

Baristas are more important than those

rail workers because I don't believe

that but then I feel like that's getting

back to the conflation between

unproductive labor and productive labor

being which is more important and you

socially useful in society but if Dunkin

Donuts workers go on strike that's going

to really piss off whoever the CEO of

Dunkin Donuts is whoever the

shareholders of Dunkin Donuts are

they're still uh an obvious like yeah

okay if if if if people decide in Mass

numbers to go inside Dunkin Donuts and

just start taking a shit on the floor

that's also going to piss them off

what's your point

it pisses them off for different reasons

I suppose

yeah but it like just pissing off just

cutting into the ability cutting into

the ability for these franchises to be

operational does not really prove

anything as far as the proletarian

character of the action is concerned

no I'm not saying that there that's the

reason for them doing these things is

because out of spite they just want to

hurt the company they work for I'm

saying like they're going to have a

reaction from the capitalist class who

oppose like who opposes you know what

that's an interesting thing you're

bringing up class A lot so I'd like to

ask you the question

you believe obviously that Starbucks the

Baristas are part of the working class

and that basically probably 95 of people

are working class right because of the

definition that they don't own their

labor

so

Marx has a very clear understanding of

ideology where he says they're doing it

but they don't know it

so for Marx it's unconscious

class and false consciousness and all

that stuff is unconscious

so class exerts its influence on people

on an unconscious level

now can you explain the unity what what

actually unites a barista with railroad

workers

it's like an objective material reality

can you explain how they're United as

one class

well I mean do any of them own the means

of production for sustaining themselves

in society outside of selling their like

their wage labor for a wage that's a

negative

that is a theoretical Point can you

actually point to me an imminent example

of how this is a unified class

what ties rail workers with any other

section of Labor aside from the fact

that in order to survive they literally

have to work no there's a great deal

more than that actually so then maybe

I'm missing the point so why don't you

explain it and by the way survival has

nothing to do with it in the 21st

century You Can Survive by being a

homeless person

so let's not talk about survival then

because it has nothing most Americans

don't want to live on the streets so

they're going to work

okay

again survival has nothing to do with it

now well it does because the wages

reproduces the conditions of their

existence

again survival has nothing to do with it

no one is on the precipice of physical

Extinction

um it doesn't matter about being on the

precipice of Extinction well that's what

survival every day they have to sell

their wages

as well that's why I support the rail

workers cause is because I have

consciousness of what it means every day

according to you real workers real

workers are

um in the same class as Baristas because

they don't own the means of production

I'm saying they if they're not in the

same class uh they have ties based on

that like the peasants and the

proletarians okay great great now where

do those ties exert any testable

observable significance in actual

reality not in your head as a

theoretician about oh because of this

you should do this you should do that

we're in actual reality demographics

can you let me finish you should do this

demographically sociologically

geographically uh politically give me

any form of objective information what

is objective information it is

information we can observe it is data we

can collect in reality itself okay now

you have not given me any data here and

I'm going to sound like an empiricist

but it's important data is important

right the fact that they don't own

something according to you is a piece of

data according to that

um you know according to that variable I

guess like 99 of Americans are part of

one class okay well if it counts that

they're part of one class surely there

are other like

observable forms of data right that we

could collect

to prove that they are actually part of

the same class of people because if

their Unity just hinges on some

arbitrary variable that only exists in

your head

how can you derive its essential

significance

that's a truth it doesn't only exist in

my head

I'm not saying the fact only exists in

your head I'm saying

the idea that this makes them unified

does where else can we see that they're

unified besides in your head

I I don't really understand like like

where else can you see rail workers

unified with any other section of like

labor and

um rail workers are not that different

from other kinds of Working Class People

blue like we call them so so culturally

you can look at it in culture this is a

great example so in American culture we

say blue collar usually when we say blue

collar we are referring to people who

work with tools we're referring to

plumbers and electricians and Factory

workers and mechanical Farmers whatever

you want to call them and even

um truckers and stuff

sociologically culturally

demographically

with all that jazz in terms of their

relation to the state and their benefits

thereof politically unless they're in a

um established Union of some kind but

even they do Under the surface beyond

the union so politically they they have

similar

um interests and voting patterns there

are so many points of data we could look

at to justify this notion of a

blue-collar working class right there's

so many points of data you could look at

can you give me one piece of data we

could look at that unites Baristas with

rail workers

so what you like I mean can you give me

data I guess that unites rail workers

with the other sections of Industry that

you're talking about because I obviously

understand there's blue collared Blue

Collar labor okay but I don't think

these people these people these people

have us okay sure here's the data these

people are more likely to agree with

things that you say like so how does

their ideology form in the in the labor

they perform can you I mean I'm upset

about our labor can you repeat what you

said about people agreeing with what I

have to say I said I'm sure there are

Baristas who agree with many things that

you have to say

when Baristas agree with what I have to

say they have to think about it when

these people agree with what I have to

say

it's literally intuition

so but I I guess I just don't also don't

understand like you're saying that only

like blue collar labor is what the

Revolutionary class of laborers are

yes no service service workers not at

all at all okay I I I I will show I I am

prepared to show Mercy to the service

industry as soon as we actually focus on

Building A working class movement I'm

just sick of marxists and so-called

Communists who have only made attempts

and reached out to these service workers

like Baristas because Baristas are more

likely to agree with them culturally

Tastefully and ideologically Baristas

aren't going to be bigoted and aren't

going to be sexist and racist and use

language that makes you uncomfortable

Baristas aren't going to sound dumb and

stupid and vulgar right so I'm just sick

of these fucking marxists and Communists

who are running around with graduate

student use this with fucking Starbucks

Baristas and doing nothing to actually

do the self-criticism necessary to ask

themselves why do we make zero inward

inroads with the actual fucking working

class hmm maybe it's because I'm not

sacrificed sing my own class interests

as a petty Bourgeois Intelligentsia hard

enough maybe it's because I'm not

humbling myself to the fact that there

is an Abrupt discontinuity with my

self-interest and the interests of a

class as a whole maybe they're possessed

by this individualism which has them go

and reach out to people who are only

like them and is disgusting

self-masturbatory narcissism the

sincuous narcissism where they can't

even humble themselves to the fact that

they're gonna have to learn and humble

themselves to the wisdom of the people

outside of themselves right maybe that's

the fucking problem maybe so many of

these leftists are just too comfortable

maybe I'm so harsh on Baristas because

of how much they get gassed up by these

lazy incestuous leftists who have made

zero fucking effort to actually

sacrifice just a little bit of their own

fucking ego to go down and humble

themselves to the people

I guess my problem is less with like

Baristas as an entire like class of

laborers versus the same incestuous

leftists that you're talking about

because personally I hate the

fetishization of unionism in and of

itself like right like I said like I

don't believe Starbuck unions are

revolutionary in and of themselves like

in the history of United States union

movement we've basically seen them as

tools for Capital anything post like The

Purge of the AFL-CIO I mean even today

like most reunions in the United States

so why did you have a problem with the

Barista discourse

because I don't understand how they're

not working class like I think you're

taking Starbucks workers and you're

making this entire blanket statement for

the ideology that any every single

version do you think possibly do you

think Starbucks okay why couldn't

Starbucks produce Surplus value do

Starbucks workers produce Surplus value

um I mean I believe so but that was also

something that I would want to talk

about tonight too because I guess you

don't believe in the Marxist theory of

value

how do I not believe in it then you say

that the United States is already like a

form of socialist production and how is

that incompatible with Marx's theory of

value

I don't know I remember I thought you I

I heard you saying it on a stream

honestly I asked you how was that

statement that we are no longer live in

a capitalist mode of production

how is that incompatible

with Marxism

um well

I don't necessarily think it's

incompatible with Marxism but I thought

in a stream that I saw you having that

you said that that's because the labor

theory of value doesn't exist anymore

because the value that exists in the

economy isn't from labor but it's from

like this larger abstract

financialization

that's not what I said

okay so then I guess I just don't

understand saying that value is from

financialization is like saying

value is from profit it's just it begs

the question where are all of these

Financial abstractions getting their

value from where what is the value of a

derivative what what is the basis of the

value invested in a derivative

that's the question

okay but then if you believe in the

March's theory of value then by what by

that standard how does a how does a

barista not produce Surplus value

simple because the labor that Baristas

are engaged in does not pay for itself

plus a surplus moreover Starbucks could

not derive

a form of capital accumulation on the

basis of the Starbucks industry it's not

like you can open up a Starbucks chain

and then derive just from the sale of

coffee or the sale of the products that

they're selling some kind of

reproduction of capital no Starbucks

almost only ever able to reproduce it's

only able to expand because of the

redirection of credit from other sectors

of the economy to Starbucks because

people invest in it because they're

hoping that in the future Starbucks is

going to

be worth more than it is now

and it's a self-fulfilling

prophecy because the more you direct

credit into Starbucks so it's like

imagine if we're living in a socialist

economy just for a second and we have

Central planning and the central

planners are regularly

allocating resources to Starbucks

and they're doing it because start

because not because Starbucks is

necessarily that profitable the profit

margins could not justify the extent to

which capital is invested into Starbucks

it's the fact that Starbucks is popular

that so many people are willing to

commit to going to Starbucks

and having their attention captured by

Starbucks

that's what makes Starbucks worth so

much it's a data economy

and it's not based on

profit

that's why companies can operate at a

loss even when they turn no profit if

enough if they're popular enough

that will be enough for invest that will

be enough to like initiate

the derivative

cycle of capital capitalization

Starbucks doesn't run on a loss they

they run out of profit

like a 30 billion yeah I know I know

they do when did I deny they did

so profit margin Starbucks makes cannot

justify

how big Starbucks has gotten

and all right by the way the profit

margin in their labor force they need to

expand their labor force to get that big

so that does not that's so stupid that's

so stupid Starbucks if if robots hold on

if all Baristas were replaced by robots

then they would have to expand robots

the theory of value is specifically

about how labor has decisive

significance for the production of value

how do you derive that from the cycle of

capital in a simple a simple simple

reproduction of a Starbucks

coffee shop

how does it happen how does it happen

from these simple reproduction of a

Starbucks coffee shop

that you can derive an entire process of

capital accumulation

what do you mean that's literally the

entire process so why why no no yeah the

actual coffee shop

foreign as a small business

can reproduce the conditions of its

subsistence it's a small mod pod shop

right the only way it gets as fucking

big as Starbucks does is if it has

outside investors pumping Credit in

there that has no relationship

whatsoever

in any decisive or causal sense to the

profit margins it's making

now for the credit that's being pumped

in they're hiring a labor force

can you prove why why that labor force

specifically in the context of Starbucks

has any significance at all as far as

Starbucks's ability to turn a profit

how do Baristas have any significance in

Starbucks ability to turn around no how

does their labor if any exists at all

what do you mean how would a Starbucks

functionally operate how like if the

experience if Starbucks isn't selling a

commodity to people and they're only

selling an experience how does Starbucks

sell that experience without the people

who are offer people don't want to sit

in Starbucks they want to get a coffee

too they want to get whatever stupid

cake pop that Starbucks offers they're

not just like oh can I can I ask you a

question yeah no desserts here let me

just say in this empty venue I'm not

venting but I'm saying

so my question for you is are you

mentally retarded

can you explain why what I said is wrong

well I just I just distinctly recall

telling you or posing the question to

you why would it make a difference if

they just had machines do it all

why don't they do that then

well hypothetically if they had the

ability for machines to do all of it

what how would that affect Starbucks's

ability to turn a profit

I mean it they would just I mean if

anything they would be able to make more

money because they wouldn't have the

gigantic cost that it costs so don't say

the Baristas are the reason Starbucks

makes a profit because they're not labor

is the reason they make a profit and the

people performing that labor happen to

be there why why and this is a good case

this is a good case study why are you a

Marxist

because you clearly haven't read marks

you don't know anything about Marxism

it's like why did is look why do you

even care about Marxism I've read plenty

of marks but that's but I decided what

angle's definition of the proletariat

was and you said that wasn't relevant

so what does reading marks even matter

if those things then when they were

written in the time to have no relevance

no I'll explain it sure

when Engels wrote principles of

Communism he was writing a fucking

pamphlet for a random fuck on the street

during his specific time period whereas

Marx who wrote Capital had a very

specific methodical and precise

breakdown of how labor produces Surplus

value and how it does he did not say the

presence of employees as an expense in

and of itself proves that their

productive laborers why because Marx

especially throughout Capital Volume 2

gives plenty of examples of workers who

are employees who only count as an

expense not as productive laborers the

example he gave were clerks okay

so Baristas are not Clerks

now I'm asking you I'm asking you how do

Baristas produce Surplus value how do

Baristas produce Surplus value how is it

that their labor the when you say that

without delay see I'm gonna explain

basic logic to you basic logic when you

say

that without the labor of the Baristas

Starbucks couldn't turn a profit

that's fine that's like saying if I shit

in the chimney of a Starbucks and it

blew up that it wouldn't be able to turn

a profit great that's an operational

necessity for Starbucks but there's a

difference between the labor being an

operational necessity for a Starbucks

coffee shop versus the labor being

causally responsible and essentially

responsible for the profit that it turns

see those are two completely different

things something being an operational

necessity does not prove it is actually

the reason or source of actual value or

profit and that is Marxism 101 is having

no Surplus value extracted in the course

of an hour of their time which they're

making there is no surf average I there

is no Surplus value that's that

Starbucks does not produce Starbucks

does not produce any surplus value at

all period

sector of the working class is producing

Surplus value

the only real section of the working

class in the traditional Marxist sense

that you could justify is producing

Surplus value is it the one that is

actually involved in the transformation

of nature

that's the blue collar working class now

even if we understood that to be the

successor to the classical proletariat

the nature of capitalism

if any still exists at all has clearly

changed

clearly the understanding of class you

and the overall majority of marxists

have is baseless why even call it a

class why not just say

we just why you know you there is

something called the Zeitgeist Movement

like 10 years ago and they were these

utopians who said we want to just have

everyone live in a big glass Dome and we

want everyone to live on a commune and

own everything together

the burden is upon you to just make

evident and make clear that that's just

what you want don't sit here and try to

Define as if this is scientific

something going on in objective material

reality on the basis of what you want

prove to me the scientific significance

of not owning the means of production an

actual objective reality because I Marx

and Engels when they were living

had a very clear reason for defining the

relations of production

in actual reality and and and and and

these were scientific categories that

could tell us something about reality

observable reality right whereas you are

just defining people's class on the

basis of your utopian end goal not on

the basis of the material

significance it exerts an actual

material reality

I mean that's just literally

you're just like projecting something

because I don't even believe in what the

Zeitgeist Movement supports I don't

but you clearly think there is something

essentially significant about not owning

the means of production in this context

right so something that could try people

who don't own the means of production

together in an economy so therefore I

think there are Baristas who like I mean

I literally know somebody so no I'm

gonna explain your thinking to you I'm

gonna explain your thinking reason why

they support those rail workers these

Baristas that I know that I'm friends

with

why do they support them what is tying

them to support the rail work what what

ideology

aside from understanding what it means

because they are only doing so as

Intelligentsia not as fucking Baristas

if they were doing it as fucking

Baristas then the representative of

Baristas the Starbucks Union

would have been the biggest advocate for

the rail workers how does labor

aristocracy have anything to do with

actual laborers Starbucks union leaders

that's a labor aristocracy little

Democrat people so so why do Starbucks

Baristas exist as a social category then

why don't you just say why do any

Baristas exist as a social category

I don't know that's what I'm asking you

why because people fucking want coffee

that how does that justify some kind of

group that has common interests

I don't understand how they don't have

any common interest that's what I'm

trying to understand I don't understand

so this is that's what I've been trying

to explain to you that's what I've been

trying I don't think you've done a very

good job so you clearly have some view

that there is an essential significance

to not owning the means of production

now I think the reason that is and I'm

saying think being very charitable

because I pretty much know it the reason

that is is because you believe that if

everyone owned the means of production

together in a specific way you envision

it that would solve all the problems of

society okay very well that is still a

utopian and not a scientific Outlook

you're not actually telling us anything

demonstrable about reality itself in the

material sense you're just telling us

the extent to which you want this

specific outcome

what specific outcome do I want

I don't want everyone to like be in a

workers Co-op uh owning the means of

production quote unquote

I barely even support workers co-ops

okay well you want whatever you want

right the state's owning it whatever the

fuck you want it doesn't matter you

clearly think the remedy to all the

society's ills is if we all owns a

production

uh I don't necessarily I don't

necessarily think I think it's if

there's a state that's in place that

represents the people's needs who owns

the means of production I think that's

fine I don't think we need like every

worker to individually own the needs of

production can we walk through this

let's walk through this

sure

what why do you think it's significant

when people don't own the means of

production

well I think it's significant

you're asking me what ties rail workers

to Starbucks Baristas I'm saying that

there's something that can tie them that

is the fact that they both sell their

leaders why are you just why why why why

why why why why why people are together

historically that has tied all laborers

why why

why

because why yeah a little fucking scared

consciousness of the material realities

that they share as workers but they

don't have a shared Consciousness at all

as as proven by the wildly different

expressions of that Consciousness which

you attribute to the division of the

working class so clearly they don't have

a shared Consciousness which is the

whole point well the whole point is of

marxist to be able to link them together

not further divide them again how can

you link them together when you can't

even fucking explain to me how why they

even have a common interest to begin

with why if you don't know why they have

a common interest

you don't even know why they would have

a common interest so why the fuck would

they listen to you or any other Marxist

telling them they have a common interest

when even you don't know why

so you're saying rail workers should be

against barista

yes I think rail workers should go

inside every Starbucks

and basically break all the coffee and

just shit all over the floor

why should rail workers be why shouldn't

they have anything why shouldn't they

support each other

you know actually I just think you know

what even better why don't we just have

communism dude let's just all like just

like abolish everything and have

communism and just live in well I think

actually infrared or more the people who

want to abolish the service industry

which I don't believe no I just think I

just think while you're at it while

you're at it telling me things that are

like from nowhere and know when derived

from no context at all and just like

something why don't why don't we just

like do why don't we just end War can we

just end War let's just end war will you

do it

so should we abolish the service

industry

yes that's that's about abolition of the

service industry that just sounds like

the anarchistic position to me honestly

abolish this abolish that abolish your

services sure except except yeah the

difference is the difference is we have

a concrete context we have a concrete

context when we say a Boston service

industry we mean as a program we mean it

as a program though which actually

involves like you know seizing power

you okay you know what just speak dude

just continue talking go ahead well

seizing power

you're going to abolish it through like

seizing power why is China expanding

their service industry for the last 20

years they don't particularly don't view

the service industry the way you view

the service industry by the way infrared

supporters do the service industry

how do you know

how do I know yeah because you could

just look it up okay can you can you

cite me with um

can you give me some data on what is the

consensus among Chinese economic

Scholars about the nature of the service

industry do they actually think the

service industry is productive or do

they think that it's something

supplementary with regard to the

foundational industrial economy

well I mean don't you think as China

advances more on automation that that

manufacturing economy is gonna no be

done the same way that ours was I know

because it has nothing no autism is

globally not relevant anymore like so

when U.S jobs get Reliance in the United

States of Americans building cars again

that's not gonna happen

yeah it's not gonna yeah you're right

dude it's just robots it wasn't that we

shipped the jobs overseas robots and

everything let's press the big red

thanks so much baby I want China's

economy can advance the way ours did

what's going to happen

which it already is basically which is

why their service economy is expanding I

love the arrogance

I love the arrogance

we Advanced we decimated our industrial

base because all of our jobs were

shifted overseas through NAFTA and other

globalist treaties and China can't wait

to do what we did and just like fuck up

their whole economy they already fuck up

their whole society

they're already expanding you're right

yeah you're dude you're right you're so

right China this is China China's next

Five-Year Plan China's next Five-Year

Plan decimate our industrial base let me

pull up The Five-Year Plan that they

have yeah decimate our industrial base

ship all the jobs overseas and become

like America is today where we have like

we're going to turn Manchuria into the

next fucking Ohio and fucking Cleveland

Ohio is our as our goal as China we just

want Cleveland Ohio everywhere the work

the work plan the Chinese Communist

party's work plan is two five-year

developmental goals one of which is to

optimize the business and policy

environment for the service industry

opening up by 2025 focusing on trade

investment marketization and rule of law

and also to establish an open system of

service industry that adheres to

International standards of economic

trade by 2030. so China has a service

industry

they don't only just have a service

industry they have five-year plans to

expand and improve the service industry

that they already have

and by the way they didn't say expanded

they said make the service industry

uh the business environment yada yada

and comply with International standards

and

it's not only that there's opening up of

key service Industries that's one of the

focus

open do you know what opening up means

well they're opening it up there

allowing less regulation essentially

okay sure

can you make a point service industry so

I'm saying you think that we're going to

come to power and what abolish the

service industry and that's not the

anarchistic position meanwhile no it's

not on a world it's not an anarchist

position it's not an hour so like you

think in communist Society people just

don't want to go and get coffee anymore

they can make their own fucking coffee

really what about restaurants too like

people don't like going out to

restaurants

should we not have restaurants why

wouldn't

those be automated

why I thought the point of like

communism is to have a proletarian base

of Full Employment in the economy by

workers

yeah and doing real jobs not stupid

frivolous bullshit so like a restaurant

is stupid like people don't have great

cultures and Cuisine that they can't

like socialist countries historically

don't have restaurants that sounds like

this like lame caricature that like

conservatives make of Communism they're

going to take your restaurants away from

you but like you apparently believe that

okay there's a difference between people

having these small man Posh shops that

are for the good of the community and

it's just these warm nice places

shut the fuck up I can't get one word in

without your you got lots of words dude

shut the fuck up there's a big it's like

I'm right about to I'm making a literal

argument and I say one thing there's a

difference between man that's hilarious

there's a difference between man and PAW

shops and

oh yeah sure I just I just wanted to say

that first structure of the sentence I

didn't want to like Bridge it into

anything you're right I had nothing else

to say go on continue

no I'm sorry repeat whatever yeah

there's a difference between people

having these small mon pawn shops as a

hobby or as a passion for their local

community whatever and people enjoyed

and like it for restaurants and a like

corporatized service industry in which

the livelihood and ability for people to

subsist in a reasonable way not survive

subsist is dependent on working in these

industrial restaurant jobs which don't

actually exist in any because of any

kind of organic interaction between

people and these establishments but

because of the need for fucking

Financial creditors to dump their

fucking money in places and the

willingness for consumers for lack of

the time

or options to visit these establishments

everyone being miserable in the process

I highly doubt Applebee's really makes

people happy I just I just there's

something about it that just makes me

doubt that Applebee's is an example of

the proletarian workers like I think

there's probably the local mon PA

restaurant in a small town there's more

charm and warmth there for your average

worker than visiting this soulless

corporate Applebee's

which does not emerge from any organic

relationship to the local community at

all

well I agree like

um although like that's the whole thing

that I think as my argument is like not

abolishing these services that exist

like Baristas but actually like removing

them from the domination of the frontier

Finance corporatist economy but clearly

the demand for Americans Americans want

coffee like the only people that can

provide that I mean a lot of so why

can't Americans make their own coffee

why is the only option for you to have a

coffee has to be inside your own home

like what if you're out running errands

and you just want to go grab a coffee or

you want to go to a coffee house with a

friend in both like why why like that's

what I'm saying the same logic could be

used for restaurants why don't you just

make a steak at home some people are

better at making certain things and want

to be involved in that labor like why is

a chef a chef sometimes chefs can cook

much better than I can I'm not a great

I'm not a great chef I know in one of

your streams you even said that you

don't even drink coffee so like and you

don't know how to make it basically like

a lot of people who drink coffee aren't

the best at making it a lot of people

who want to eat a steak aren't the best

at making it so I'll go to a Portuguese

restaurant with my family and get a good

steak with my family like why is that

such a bad thing I think that Americans

have demands for those things those are

experiences that people want to have

that they remember for their lives like

dude

you're like all over the place

Americans want these experiences for

lack of an alternative

it's tautological if you make people

work eight hour fucking jobs that's that

Crush their soul and waste their fucking

time doing a bunch of bullshit obviously

that is gonna inform and Define a great

many deal of their consumption choices

but moreover this just assumes and this

presupposes

and the fact that you like went on this

long without noticing this little

fucking problem

why do you think that something like a

coffee house wouldn't just emerge more

organically within communities not on

the basis of profit not on the basis of

or you know of of necessity of for to

get by but you know maybe family run

coffee shops or local coffee shops

that's not the same fucking thing as a

barista laboring class as an industry

you have a situation where you slash the

workday people work real productive lot

jobs and then in their spare time they

can do things in their Community or at

home that they're passionate about among

which could include

a coffee a fucking coffee shop that

doesn't mean that would be their fucking

real job it just means that's their

passion they do on the fucking side that

means they're not entitled to shit

as a member of the working class

they're rather doing it because they're

passionate about the job and if you

can't fucking rely on people to be

passionate about being fucking Baristas

as a hobby you don't get to fucking

justify the necessity of Starbucks

existing because here's the difference

the reason we need coal miners and

welders and plumbers and shit

regardless of whether people are

passionate about them is because those

are things that are functionally

necessary for the reproduction of

society on a physical level you go into

a fucking coffee house and having a nice

warm experience is not so it's on people

using their free time which is actually

what we want there's more free time to

do the things that make them happy after

they do the things

that are necessary regardless of how

they fucking feel

being a meeting needing to fucking like

temper steal and fucking chop down trees

that doesn't care about your feelings if

plumbers don't exist

we just live in shit and will die of

disease and shit that that's not a

choice that doesn't that's not because

it makes us feel nice we have to to

fucking live it's Define the basis of

our conditions of subsistence

yeah I mean I'm not saying that like

doctors are less or the same as

important as coffee shops but I think

the concept of first of all I'm not

trying to defend Starbucks's necessity

in the world but you're the one saying

abolish the service industry and you're

the one saying that Baristas are useless

yes I am Baristas would still exists uh

in the form that you're talking about

they're still serving people coffee

because they want to because that's

something they want to do just like just

like if you want to go if you want to go

give Bill Clinton a fucking blowjob you

can go do it but not because he's paying

you in an industry that's the difference

I mean there's plenty of Baristas who

enjoy what they do then let them enjoy

it and then let them enjoy it and leave

Marxism out of it

I just don't understand how it go enjoy

being a barista then and shut the fuck

up about you being oppressed and all

this shit you want to do that stupid

shitty job go fucking do it you're not

entitled to anyone's money or time

because you want to be a fucking Barista

if you want to be a barista go fucking

do it

it's not like you're not needed in

society you're not needed

if you want to be an interpretive dancer

go be an interpretive dancer and get in

debt you're not entitled to any of our

fucking money because nobody gives a

shit about your dumb interpretive dance

no one

I mean the only meaning there's not the

only jobs that are not they're socially

necessary jobs besides just industry

that makes no sense

no there's not so why does China China

have a thriving culture a media culture

acting Chinese music all these things

that make being a human being something

that's worth living not just because

that's on top of well foundation that's

on top of the Firm Foundation

what do we want to automate these that's

what do we want to automate these

industries of people working all day in

like a factory like I've worked in

factories before I personally I mean

like I respect the labor like I support

making inroads with like blue collar

Americans my family are all

conservatives I was raised as a

conservative I support all even if

everything even if I were to entertain

your dumb idea that these things are

going to be there

no continue go ahead

one thing I'm not a member of blue

collar labor I work in the service

industry but I still support all of

these cool yeah I mean uh I support Blue

Collar all I have is just if you can let

me get one question and I just have one

what ties me too yeah yeah if you can

just let me get one question in

regarding that um

and my question is uh who asked

no one I'm just giving you a piece of

information that I find to be relevant

to a discussion I don't think it's

relevant at all actually I do think it

is because I mean what connects me to

why would I support blue collar workers

like real workers so what I what I was

gonna say was that even if you were

correct about all these jobs getting

automated which they're not by the way

then you should just be smart and be

like Andrew Yang you know okay we just

need Ubi let's just say Ubi and that

will also destroy the service industry

because we will have a guaranteed income

everything will be automated and we'll

have the fucking free time to do

whatever the fuck we want

I'm actually saying that things are

going to get automated regardless if you

wanted to or not but if there's no

working class Caitlyn that's all just

have Ubi and just do whatever we want

let's just get rid of all work then why

do you want you only believe that the

blue collar labor in this country is the

Revolutionary class well things like

NAFTA have basically exported that labor

it doesn't exist in the United States so

who's the Revolutionary class that

exists anymore you're right your

definition no dude you're so right

totalitarian you're so right it's not

like 20 of the American Workforce is

Blue Collar working traditional blue

collar workers they're gone that twenty

percent manufacturing that 20 is like

nothing dude they're gone and decimated

yeah dude 20 to 20 of American

blue-collar workers by the way they've

always been to the larger section of the

economy

compared in March this time how big was

the Industrial how big was the

Industrial proletariat in Marx's time

I mean I don't have a specific number

but I think it's really clear that the

manufacturing economy in the United

States has been like decimated over the

last

however many years of neoliberalism well

there's more there's more to

jobs exported outside the U.S China

becoming the manufacturing Hub of the

world a lot of those jobs historically

don't know keep talking keep keep going

ahead keep keep explaining to yourself

wait wait

I didn't know that can you talk more

dude you're educating us and me please

no one the Rust Belt

no like that whole thing you just said

that's just like huge news to me can you

like tell me more about it

I mean I'm saying these jobs don't

historically go from from the top the

whole thing about the decline of

manufacturing in China becoming give us

like more stuff go ahead from the top

especially the decline of manufacturing

in the U.S I'm hip craft beer brewer in

Brooklyn I am working

thank you so much rainy red oh no no I

want you to give me the thing you just

said like give me the whole rundown like

Manufacturing in the US dwindled and the

manufacturing base became

it's centered in China although it was

all part of it was because of automation

but

um no one wasn't because of automation

but I'm saying that like China is

expanding their service industry at the

same time while they're improving

automation they're improving things to

make the industrial sector the economy

not necessarily I mean it's a huge

portion of their economy obviously but

their service industry is growing it's

it's going to be 60 of their economy

basically

all right all right she's done yet okay

um

China's service industry will not be 60

of its economy unless you think

economies are measured by the US dollar

and GDP in which case you're not a

Marxist at all

I think that you could definitely

measure China's economy by the amount of

money

is having

more service industry jobs that exist in

China over the last two decades than has

ever before particularly most recently

it's consistently gone up no you're

right you know what

I never realized this

I just realized China's a Utopia

everything China does should be they're

not a Utopia no no China doesn't have

any debates China doesn't have any

internal debates about its future it

doesn't have any like internal just like

everything about China is like

there's never like policy Direction

shifts

there's never like

reevaluating anything like

China is just have it's just a Utopia

and if we're going to be Communists in

America the question is

does China do it if so yes we must do it

if so no no right yeah we can't do

anything if it American Communists

American Communists should never dare to

think of trying to do anything that

China isn't doing if we have a new idea

about anything

China's not doing it so we can't do it

by the way China never forms new ideas

China doesn't have like a scholarly

community that like always has new ideas

given to the party like no China's just

like like for two decades they've been

going down this path so I think there's

like something and yeah there's a

unanimous party consensus that they're

going to make the service economy the

basis of the economy even though the

party they're gonna expand it and

develop it

when I said even though I wasn't gonna

say anything so thank you for

interrupting me I wasn't actually gonna

drop me the whole time so

yeah because because you are a jibber

jabber machine whereas almost every word

that comes out of my mouth is of

decisive significance for the point at

hand

I mean I feel like I've done that too

but I guess you guys not you have not

okay

you have not

all right well China China China

the scholarly Community within China and

the party have made it very clear their

understanding of how Economics work and

for them industry manufacturing and the

tangible economy must be the absolute

Paramount and primary foundation of the

economy they have even used the example

of the United States as an example of an

outcome to avoid because they can see

that you cannot derive an economy on the

basis of the service industry so if

China is going to marginally grow their

service industry or improve their Indus

service industry just as they try to

improve all the sectors of their economy

that has no bearing on

if you were to tell me yeah we're going

to become like China

guess what that would amount to a

fucking destruction of the service

industry because it would be a complete

reset to the whole economy since we

would have to return to some kind of

industrial base China already has that

base we don't so why are you comparing

us to China

you're missing the fucking elephant in

the room which is that China actually

has a real fucking economy that's why on

top of their economy they're doing other

things fine

what's your point

we don't even have a fucking real

accomplished service industry reducing

necessarily reducing the scope of the

U.S the difference is if China if China

wants to develop China is not going to

abolish the service industry

I don't care

has that ever like does do you not

understand this I don't care

what China's going to do with their

service industry

I mean unless you can point to me what

these Scholars economic Scholars within

China are what the Communist party has

said as if they're like intentionally

saying oh yeah we could abolish the

service industry but we're choosing not

to unless you can give me something

along those lines I don't care what

China's doing China self critiques

itself all the time

China is

in the process of trying to discover

what it wants to be right now

so we're doing the same as Communists in

America we can't diverge from what I

mean you you don't even understand how

China fucking works you think everything

that happens in China is because they

want it to happen ideologically no

sometimes the development of the economy

in China proceeds along

a typical developmental path and the

party has to respond to it in some kind

of fucking way now if China is not

responding to their economy in such a

way so that they're going to say yeah we

want to like cut labor hours and we want

to reorganize the economy in this that

way that doesn't mean they're against

what we're saying at all

it just means they like they haven't

considered it

yet or they just haven't

but that why are you using China as an

example for ideas that we have I don't

fucking get it in the context of the

modern economy globally

the service industry is not going to

disappear like in and of itself

you could reduce it you could bring

manufacturing if America became

communist

China would not even need

to be part to to

have any U.S dollars at all in its

fucking Reserve Banks let's start there

China wouldn't even need to entertain

any Financial economy at all you realize

that would have such wide-ranging

implications for something like

communism and socialism

that would be a return to some kind of

new form of state but I mean that would

open up so much

why are you thinking

so America becomes communist and that

the card is being pushed before the

fucking horse by the way because how

does that fucking happen well you need a

fucking strategy a class strategy first

and foremost

yeah

it's like what are you saying China

China has a fucking service industry and

we want to destroy the service industry

in America

because we have a radically novel idea

no we don't want to destroy this if

anything you want to reduce the scope no

we want to destroy it we want to destroy

it that's retarded I think that's

retarded I don't care what you fucking

think tell me why we can't do tell me

tell me why not tell me why not tell me

why not

why not what why should we not strive to

destroy the service industry as a

hypothetically if we were in power

because people want Services why would

we want an economy where people can't

have access so here we go The Prostitute

The Prostitute argument people want

their views people want their dick

sucked too people want people want pussy

people wants pussy and they want their

cock sucked too buying a human being in

sex work because the same thing as

serving someone coffee you're literally

making the Democratic Socialist argue

you are making that fucking argument no

you're making the argument because

you're saying Baristas are prostitution

that is the kind of it is so demeaning

it's not it's no it isn't the meaning

see that's what we get to the hardest

yeah it is pretty demeaning it is pretty

demeaning they're saying that Baristas

think the labor is demeaning you think

the labor is the meaning I do actually

I don't think it is I think every

morning when I go yeah and there's

plenty of there's plenty of only friends

and there's plenty of people on only

fans who also don't think what they're

doing is demeaning either I don't care

what you think it's not about what

people think it's about the objective

reality the objective reality is that

it's fucking demeaning you have to it's

fucking demeaning to have to put on a

fucking hat no no shut the fuck up it is

objectively fucking demeaning to put on

a stupid ugly hat and force yourself to

fucking smile even when you're feeling

like shit and serve people fucking food

that they shove down their fucking

throat and and say hey would you like

your order oh did you hear about it that

is fucking demeaning objectively you're

gonna sit here and say it's not it is

imagine me no no no you're gonna say if

has you're saying that you're saying I

would still be Haas the mighty if I put

on a fucking green Starbucks apron with

that stupid fucking hat stand in front

of a cash register said

you're saying that that wouldn't be

demeaning of objectively it would you're

just being fucking dishonest I mean I've

literally never had anyone say anything

close to that while they were serving me

food usually it was just yeah but it's

the same it's the same shit okay it's

the same shit that is fucking the

meaning confusion is not the same shit

no no no

exact work to being a barista is

literally just put fucking words in my

mouth and you just settle down yeah you

did you did

shut the fuck up for three seconds

I said the retarded Burgers King thing

was may as well be the same I wasn't

even referencing prostitution hold your

fucking horses hold your fucking horses

I said I have consistently I have

consistently said it is on the same

spectrum that is what I have

consistently said

sex work is pretty unique so we're not

arguing about whether it's not the same

thing we're arguing about whether it's

on the same Spectrum it isn't on the

same Spectrum women being raped and

having you you think that's the same as

a barista giving someone coffee he's

retarded it's hearted I said it's on the

same spectrum and you're accusing me of

saying it's the same again similar that

means they're similar okay not the same

they're similar they're not they're on

the same Spectrum yes no they are so

being a waiter is on the same Spectrum

as being a prostitute yes

no that's ridiculous yes

yes it is because that is literally a

spectrum because because it goes from

being a waiter it goes from being a

waiter to working at Hooters where you

have to show your titties and then it

goes from working at Hooters you have to

show your titties

why not that's like crazy so every

person who's a waiter is gonna end up in

Hooters selling their tits

you could be dude are you the next

Socrates this is crazy logic dude you're

like the next Socrates

and that's what I'm asking if you

believe that you every waiter winds up

selling their body at Hooters yeah when

you say something is on the same like

categorical spec Spectrum

that's the same thing as it's like

you're like you're saying no because

you're saying this is an actual

inevitable pipeline like people must

move through the Spectrum like there's a

bullet train on the Spectrum where like

if you're on one end you must move in

that direction in your own personal life

well I'm not saying that but I'm saying

that there's no there's no similarity

between being a prostitute or being a

barista

say you Jesse Miller like bro that's

prostitution in every way the

development of capitalism Hooters is not

the same as Applebee's a service serving

people would you say that's an intimate

thing

um yeah I would say a service can be can

be so so what if I said if I was like

Rivers your girlfriend just performed a

service on me

what would you think is that sexual at

all in your man like does that conjure

anything sexual in your head

I mean if you're saying performing a

service the historical notion of saying

what have I just said what have I said

yo Rivers I said okay what have I said

yo Rivers your dad just served me the

other day

is that like what is that barista no I

just said sir the word served yeah I

mean I guess context wouldn't matter I

would be a little confused the service

service service isn't inherently hold on

service is an inherently interpersonal

relationship that's the difference if I

go hammer metal on a fucking block if

I'm going to a factory and I'm using a

hammer to smash a fucking block

I'm not serving anyone I'm fucking

smashing a block and yeah I'm selling my

labor to do this but it's on the thing

that's what makes it dignify it's on the

thing it's a thing there right

that's what makes it dignified if I if I

have to work on people that's so on

that's humiliating I have to work on

people what thank you I appreciate it we

need obedience

thank you so much bye what's that

reverse I said you're not working on

them you're just serving them in basic

service

I will serve you I will serve you I will

serve okay let's all be servants so is

being a servant dignified

so I I mean I don't think that a a a

waiter or just a barista is purely just

a servant okay what about a barber

that's a service like that's undignified

Barbers usually own their own shop and

they're usually a small business well

one Barber does but that most of the

Barbers that I've ever been to has like

eight or nine Barbers who work there

yeah I know I know but here's the

difference a barber shop is typically

not a chain

so what that means

yeah yeah shut up a barber is typically

not a chain and what that means is what

I'm trying to say is that usually at a

barber shop The Barber and all of his

employees have a specific relationship

where you know there is a clear

atmosphere and environment founded on

the basis of respect for both but for

themselves and the customers and vice

versa where it's not really that they're

servants at that point it's that they're

people who cut hair for their own

profession and they're doing it you know

on the basis of the context established

by the small business like there's a

clear it's a personal relationship yes

but there's a reason why barber shops

are such like personal places where

everyone's friend everyone understands

their relationship with one another like

it's very clear right whereas if you

have a chain Barber Shop like in Mass

numbers then it's not a per it's not an

interpersonal relationship between human

beings and communities anymore it's to

an institution so I work for this

institution and I have to cut your hair

for a fucking wage and I have to serve

you yeah that is undignified absolutely

so the context definitely fucking

matters usually and drum roll please

whether it's an industry or not when it

gets turned into an industry yes it's

not dignified anymore whereas if it's

just a small thing that doesn't turn

into this huge industry yeah that's not

necessarily undignified but the service

industry is an industry of Servants of

course that is undignified

no I don't really think that service in

general is undignified okay is being a

servant as being a servant service to

your country is being a servant

if I call your mom my servant is that

dignified don't you think there are

different contexts

no but you said the service industry

isn't it why is my mom your servant and

what in what context would she be your

servant

when I don't think she's she's my

servant there's nothing undignified

about the service industry your mom's my

servant that's fine

in what context like sexually pleasing

you like yeah no the fact that you have

to ask proves you're not a man no it

doesn't if someone called my mom their

servant in front of me

I would yeah because I'm saying that's

the difference I wouldn't ask them if

it's sexual or not I will not ask it I

would not ask them if it's sexual or not

because it's inherently disrespectful to

say that yeah because the context of you

calling someone's mother a servant there

is no context there is no context come

on there is no context there is no

context there is no context it's public

servant there is no context there is no

context in which that would be

justifiable yeah so why would you say it

to me in the first place then

because I'm trying to explain to you how

the service industry you're saying yeah

keep talking a servant

what are you saying this thing why are

you doing it

um

okay don't let me speak then don't even

ask your question not that great of a

good rhetorical device honestly if you

call my mom don't ask me a question

don't ask me why I'm doing it you don't

want to know

what about being a pup what about

service to your country those things are

oh Jackson thank you so much

um being a public servant means you're

serving kind of like an abstraction the

public so it's not one person in

particular it's the public like it's

almost like you're saying like oh this

so This guy's name is Abdullah it means

he's slave of God that miss me and he's

a slave and it's to me the only slave of

God right if I'm a slave of the state or

I'm a slave of the public that doesn't

mean I'm the slave to any Joe Blow who's

walking on the street and I'm gonna do

whatever he fucking says I am a slave to

the disabled purified public interest

that is a fucking because neither does

the service economy you're saying that

that your argument yes it was because

the service economy is about people

getting paid to serve specific

individuals food and other fucking

personal interpersonal services like

massages dude holy fuck you are really

bad at debating or under like you're

really just bad edit logic in general

being undignified about serving someone

food

serving anyone for a wage is on Gates

serving anyone serving anyone for a wage

serving anyone for a wage is demeaning

and undignified

and most Americans agree with me most

Americans most Americans agree with me

most Americans I don't think most

Americans okay let's look at the facts

let's look at the facts

let's look at the facts of what's going

on in the current American economy and

this is kind of like breaking news men

are dropping out of the labor force

because they're upset about their social

status according to a new study a new

study says that men are dropping out of

the labor force for no explicable reason

other than the social status that has

conferred specifically to service sector

jobs

why is that is that patriarchy

what is that

if

why are men not working service jobs

they're dropping out in Mass numbers

I don't know that sounds like a lot of

the anti-work bullshit that like you

rail against right no it's actually that

men don't want to fucking serve people

for the rest of their life for a fucking

wage that's why

I mean I think there's like plenty of

men who

don't mind being Baristas there's also

many and that's great there's also many

men who suck dick I have nothing against

them they're great too but they're a

minority they're a minority they're a

minority but they're a minority

so somehow like being a twitch streamer

is dignified but being a barista means

you're the equivalent to a male who

sucks dick even if I agreed with you

that there's something undignified about

being a fucking streamer which I don't

really I'm not the one who's trying to

turn this into a fucking industry that

people's livelihoods depend on as a mass

if like saying has like how could this

be an industry how could this be an

industry how could me sitting here

arguing with you about the specificities

of Marxist theory how do you turn that

into a fucking industry you fucking

retard what a stupid thing to say

what how do you how do I say okay

instead of you being a barista I want

you guys to be Haas from infrared you

have to be as Charming talented and

unique as me what a stupid thing to say

of course that's not a fucking viable

there is infinitely have more like

social utility than any okay but they

would improve it why do I make more

money than them now why do more people

like me than the average Barista why do

more people

we have more followers than the average

Barista the economy is like more

important okay so River rivers rivers

rivers according according to the actual

economy which is based in markets I'm

better than Baristas

according to you Baristas are better

according to you Baristas are better not

according to the actual economy the

economy says I'm better

I don't Define my definition of how

someone's worth is if they make more

money than someone I mean so if it's not

it's not about the economy if it's not

about the economy you can't sit here and

bitch that we want to abolish the

service industry just because people go

like to fucking spend their money at

Starbucks that's the difference people

want to make more money people want

higher wages in those Industries too bad

you're working at a useless job I don't

give a fuck if they want highway just

suck my cock I don't care

why does that concern Marxist why should

I concern Communists why can't

Communists actually reach out to the

fucking working class why are they

playing these games oh The Graduate

students are you in it I don't care

about these fucking people it's not the

working class how often are infrared

supporters reaching the working class

why did why would that even I mean even

if I were to entertain that why would

that even matter

well I mean like we are I mean we are

better we are we are doing we have

limited numbers but for our numbers that

we actually have right now

I mean we're doing a pretty good job

I mean I think you've made some

important contributions honestly but

like what are you materially doing

really like what are most do you think

most infrared supporters are really

talking to Blue we have the ear we have

learned how to get the ear of regular

Working Class People to be interested in

communism

yeah

like which regular Working Class People

I think it's people who are already

introduced to the concept of socialism

who wanted to abandon not true not true

there's plenty of anecdotal evidence

from all across my community that says

that's not true and personal evidence on

my part

well done I guess I would say that's a

good thing but personally one of the

things that I really like don't see is

honestly like what what the cpusa 2036

movement is really gearing towards

I don't see there's no set there's no

Democratic centralist organization

it's essentially like just like a

Discord Channel

isn't the Communist Party supposed to be

the Democratic centralist organization

it's supposed to be

so how are you influencing cpusa like if

there's no centralized organization to

actually like determine strategy to

do this supposed take if if leftists

weren't retards we would already have

the cpusa it's just left to start

retards so I have to go reach out to

people who aren't leftists to have

enough people to actually take over the

cpusa but if the left weren't all

retards and I say all with 100 all of

them I it wouldn't be taking this long

but I I can't draw from leftists

because they're actual mentally retarded

and they're scum and socially they are

class enemies of the working class not

just people who happen to not be working

class they're class enemies

yeah I'm saying so like how is the

strategy determined to even like do this

hostile take over the party if there's

not some kind of like Democratic

centralist unit where people can

Democrat democratically input strategy

um in terms of how people are going to

achieve this political success of

reaching this this Blue Colony what are

you saying

I'm saying I have seen it predominantly

existing online

you're saying there needs to be a

democratic centralist

strategy implemented with an infrared

how is strategy implemented by the cpusa

2036 strategy which is supposed to be

like to take over the CPU and how

Communists can achieve power and making

inroads with the blue collar working

class yeah like how does strategy how is

strategy formed

we want to take no keep talking please

no

go ahead get it all out

no what mechanism that's all

we want to take over the party and then

use the party to reach the workers

yeah but I'm saying like

okay like you want to take over the

party but there needs to be strategy of

taking over a party like you can't just

send one person into a chapter to like

listen to meetings and try to like

possibly you need people who can create

a consensus who can become members and

like vote on things and then like push

ideology so you want me to make an

institution

to take over the institution

well I'm saying mainly how do I'm saying

how do we do it that's one of the things

that I've also like joined the party

join the party

join the party practice Takia become a

fucking delegate and then get elected to

a position of power and then we get

someone just one person in the fucking

Central Committee of the party and at

the very minimum we can fucking split it

and then we we take the split and we

become the real cpusa it's fucking

simple and have you guys made any wins

in any chapter in the U.S have you got

anyone on any committees

we have people in positions of power

already the next fucking election was

postponed because of what we're fucking

doing to like 2024.

all right well I mean yeah that I mean I

guess that that's good

that's been one of my I haven't seen the

real tangible because they because the

elections have not occurred yet

how would you see anything happen except

through online

USA members like I had done organizing

within where I live so I know cpusa

members

well obviously you wouldn't know which

ones are my people because they're

practicing Takia

well I know in like our local chapter

basically none of them are infrared the

only ones you don't know that I promise

you don't know that

well I know they're all literally shit

liberals like except for one person who

supported patriotic socialism but they

left the party well a lot of people are

pretending to be shit Libs who actually

are not

foreign

I could guarantee that none of the

people in my Long Island chapter

did you say Long Island New York

yeah

oh okay never mind I don't want to say

anything

it's okay okay yeah you're right the

Long Island chapter in New York

well what I mean no you're no you're

right you're actually right you're

actually right you're right

about their shitloads yeah they're all

of them are yeah I mean they basically

literally all are they're like Joe Sims

no no there's one guy who basically

isn't

you got it

I mean you know

no they're all uh none of our people are

there

I think there's like one nope none

none no there's no so how many how many

zero

zero okay

zero

well I know most of them and

they definitely don't seem to support

infrared thought

you got it

all right well

I mean I guess I don't really have

anything else I don't think we're gonna

agree on

how Baristas are not members of the

working class honestly

they're not

there's I think there's two options I

can give you right

one option is to accept

that there is no United quote-unquote

working class based on ownership of the

means of production

you have to accept that so that will

that has to lead you to a few one one of

the two conclusions right a there's no

longer any proletariat

or B

either Baristas are exclusively the

proletariat and people like Baristas

like grad students

where there's actual data that can prove

these people are united in some kind of

socially intelligible way

or what we say which is that the blue

collar working class is the proletariat

and Baristas or not but you can't say

there's just oh we're all A working

class and that's not true that's that

would be an unscientific thing to say

well I don't think every single person

who's working is working class I mean

well I mean I guess you could argue that

they're unproductive or productive

laborers I just think that it's Baristas

can be productive laborers like easily

in the context of what can you repeat

that

I believe that Baristas are productive

laborers

or can be if you're saying in the if the

financing of Starbucks is what makes a

barista not productive labor because the

Surplus value is not extracted from the

workforce but what about

a mom-and-pop shop what about a small

business

they don't produce Surplus value that's

why those are subsistent shops

you realize Surplus value is a form of

accumulation

right which means it's a constant and

expansion expansion of capital Modern

Pawn shops can't do that because they

can take care of the expenses of running

the shop and their own living expenses

plus the employees and if they become

wildly popular in all the rage

they can get invested

well yeah that's the thing they can't

compete with the fine like the

monopolies in their own industry but it

doesn't mean that their workers still

it's not just they can't Surplus it's

not just that they can't compete it's

that

that form of accumulation does not

produce

enough

capital

just profit does not produce enough

capital

but if they if it if it turns out any

profit whatsoever as a mom and small as

a mom and pop shop and you have a labor

force then it was that labor force that

helped you achieve that profit

so somewhere along the lines of that

they still have a value extracted yep

they help more so did Mother Nature also

helped and the cat helped and the ma

helped and the Paw helped and Grandma

helped and Mima helped and uh the mayor

helped and the policemen helped and look

every and the worms on the ground helped

and it turns out everyone helps everyone

great great scientific terminology

well in in a non-abstract way the worker

directly does it

the worker helped

so does the customer

everyone helps

well yeah there needs to be a demand

um for the service I mean like coffee

wouldn't be popular in the USA if nobody

liked it

turns out everyone helps

yeah I mean you could say the crossing

guard helps get you to the Dunkin Donuts

I just think everyone helps and

you know what

we just return to paganism we just need

the division of labor to be like reified

into distinct

idols

where like we'll be like this is the god

of the Baristas and this is the god of

the customer and this is the god of the

manager and everyone knows their place

and everyone helps and it's all that's

what that's actually what the working

class means it's like we all help out

man and the Baristas they make our

coffee we need them to make our coffee

we have the sun gives us warmth and the

rain gives us

sustenance and we just you know it's all

one harmonious Pagan Society we should

just start being pedos and shit just

like the Romans

I mean that's a bit of a stretch

everyone helps man it's all mother

nature and everyone helping and so one

hormanious harmonious helping the mayor

and the teacher and the crossing guard

they all produce the commodity

you know what you know what this

actually is it's it's a word it's called

Hitler socialism

and it's where you just glorify

the whole of society is everything

without distinction

I mean yeah Organics organic it's

fascist Harmony it's Mussolini organism

but the Hitler aspect comes from the um

you know

the paganism and it's just Hitler

socialism great that's what it is

so if you think Baristas are more

involved in the production of the

commodity

which is the coffee that that somehow

Hitler socialism it's like

okay

Baristas Baristas Baristas

Baristas do not produce Surplus value

their labor does not produce Surplus

value I have tried to explain this to

you so many times

yeah I mean I don't see how uh Barista

in a small business isn't producing

Surplus value they're not

they're not doing it in a small business

and they're not doing it in Starbucks

either

the difference is that the small

business doesn't expand

because it's a small business so where

where does the profit for a small

business come from if it doesn't come

from the extraction of the Surplus value

of its labor force

it's a form of simple reproduction it's

just subsistence

small businesses get by there's no real

why

well they don't they uh yeah they can

make money they can definitely make

money that's like and they're not going

to be a small business anymore they're

gonna fucking have a process of capital

accumulation

dude there's three capital just

recapital just free Capital just read

Capital just read Capital just read

Capital holy fuck I I have

no that's why I'm telling you this

because if you were just some random

dumb fuck I'd be like all right whatever

but you're just like this guy who like

like I'm a Marxist I'm gonna argue with

Haz about this shit that I don't even

fucking know about I didn't even want to

argue you wanted to debate me

dude

I proposal is good to me profit means

you can turn it to Capital okay uh if

there's not if you don't have that the

profit is nowhere it's not significant

enough to even take into account

okay but into order it's in order to

expand Capital you need to expand your

labor force okay okay the key okay

listen listen simple reproduction simple

the abstraction of simple reproduction

is the key to Surplus value

don't talk about Surplus value unless

you're talking about a process of

capital accumulation it's that simple

so how can they accumulate cap how can

you expand Capital without expanding

your labor force

I don't even know why you're asking that

question

because it's clear that what the

integral part is to expanding capital is

the labor itself it's not because

Starbucks can only fucking get the

capital it needs to expand from credit

not from fucking the profit margins of

its sales

okay but a mom and pop shop can still

open another location

maybe they can maybe maybe they can get

maybe they're in a financially good

enough situation where they can do that

but if they ever want to get anywhere

near Starbucks they need massive dumps

of investment from Banks and financial

institutions that are going to bet on

them and make a wager on them and that's

how they fucking expand not because of

the they there is no amount of profit

margins you can make just from selling

coffee that will allow you to ever

become as big as Starbucks if you think

that America's franchises expand like a

lemonade stand oh the lemonade stand

then I'm gonna do enough that's not how

it works dude

you don't need to be the side you don't

your goal as a mom and pop business

trying to expand locations doesn't need

to be as big as Starbucks

yes it does to become an industry to

become to become an industry yes it does

no but it doesn't it doesn't have to be

the goal for them to extract value from

their labor force

what

I'm saying that someone a mom-and-pop

shop their goal doesn't have to be as

big as Starbucks for the

for it to be true that the mom and pop

shop that is expanding their locations

is extracting a value from the workforce

that the workers are not receiving in

financial compensation there is no s

those shops don't produce Surplus value

at all all they can get away from

I am I am taking deep breaths the profit

The Profit comes from redistributing

value from other sectors of the economy

to them

they themselves cannot initiate an

organic process of capital reproduction

so they have to extract it from other

parts of the economy that do do this

that can in fact

be the basis for a runaway circuit to

take take off that will be the

foundation

um I mean

yeah I guess I don't really understand

that part I know because you don't

understand Marx's capital

no I mean I do but I don't really

understand please go read it then please

go read it

I mean I have

but I don't I don't understand how in

the process of a company making a profit

who hires a Workforce

that in the process of them churning

over a prophet to expand their business

there was no Surplus value extracted

from the workforce

do you know what's okay let's start with

what is Surplus value do you know what

it is

I mean it's the

uncompensated value that the worker has

robbed from them in the course of of

your site okay where are you getting

that idea of surplus value because I

it's not true

okay so why don't you explain to me what

Circle value is well I mean because Marx

makes it very clear that what is the

value yeah go ahead just just talk you

know I just talk to you just talk you're

not compensated just stop just talk keep

talking more dude I'll just let you talk

explain it then

Marx makes it very clear

that workers are compensated for the

exact price of their labor power nothing

is uncompensated they're getting exactly

the value of their labor

workers are compensated the exact value

of their labor power

how is that true

capitalists are always constantly

fighting to decrease wages

and thereby reducing the value of the

labor power

you know devaluing the amount of money

they need to pay for labor

that is the value of the labor power

when taken at an aggregate level

if all capitalists agree they're gonna

let's say the minimum let's say the

wages the going rate is five dollars an

hour and the capital is driving it down

to two dollars an hour as like a

society-wide thing that's the value of

the labor

no that's that's yes it is yes it is no

that's the value of the fucking labor

that's the whole point of class struggle

is the workers not getting paid the

value of their late no they're getting

paid the exact value of their fucking

labor according to Marx

so what's Surplus value then

it is literally called Surplus value

dude dude whatever the way Society

decides it wants to pay workers is the

true value

then why do workers historically fought

for wage increases

because you don't know what value is

the true value of Labor is not just what

the capitalist class sets the minimum

wage at

okay we're getting about the minimum

wage for a second

labor power is sold four marks when Marx

was writing this is what he thought

at its full value

okay so then where does the um where's

the circle I was trying to explain that

but you decided to go on another lecture

so please go on giving me another

lecture quite some time you I I tried I

TR I've I've been trying to speak

I feel like I've been letting you though

uh have I not I mean I've interrupted

sometimes but well no I said

actually Surplus value the reason it's

called a surplus value is because in the

process of giving laborers the exact

power of their labor sorry the exact

value of their labor power

the realization of their labor power

reduces a surplus

so the subsistence of the wage laborer

the simple subsistence of the wage

laborer manages to produce a surplus

just by just from their subsistence just

by paying them the exact value of what

they're doing and paying them the exact

cost of doing that thing

a surplus is produced

in excess and that is the source

according to Marx for the aggregate

profits of a given Society

in his time that's that's what Surplus

value is

where does a surplus come from when

you're just paying someone their earned

wage

remarks it comes first of all

the first thing that needs to be

established is that there is this profit

because that was observable in Marx's

time the presence of Labor does not

prove Surplus value

Surplus value proves labor okay

so for Marx the Surplus value if if you

are engaged in this process where I

am a small stand and I'm I'm a

capitalist who doesn't have any laborers

whatever and I just have machines do

everything

and this is like an in a vacuum we're

not talking about anything in the

aggregate

I am just selling things at their cost

at their price whatever

my profit could only ever hope to be

redistributive I'm just sucking someone

else's excesses of consumption and

redirecting it to me but what about

actual New Wealth what about actual new

surplus value that doesn't just

redistribute ones already created but

actually produces something new

well

if I'm just having a laborer and I'm

paying them

the value of their labor power

suddenly this crazy process capital

accumulation right where I get such an

extent of surplus value Surplus profit

that I can just

derive this process where I can just

keep accumulating more and more Capital

keep on expanding the process of

production

where is that coming from for Marx that

was the labor

the subsistence of the conditions of

Labor

produced a surplus that was responsible

for this rapid Capital expansion and

industrialization Marx was observing

so I mean like

a barista they don't they don't only

um they're not only circulating capital

I mean they're constantly reproducing

the nuclear they're not they're not

that's what I've been trying to tell you

the Baristas their labor only exists as

an expense

that's even if I would agree that

they're selling their labor power which

I wouldn't

but why are they selling it they're not

selling their labor power they're

selling a willingness to do services and

perform services

but like you prefer services like with

human labor power is

quantifiable on the basis of general

labor general labor has to fulfill a

number of Criterion

I don't see how service sector work

could fulfill that Criterion at least

when it comes to the wage relation that

it's embedded in

that it's not labor

it's not Marx's labor power I don't

think so it's not general labor

that's why when service that's why when

when service sector workers want to

unionized it's a form of craft unionism

because it's not general labor

a Starbucks Union in no way epitomizes

any abstract or general labor for

society as a whole it doesn't represent

like the relative average conditions of

the subsistence of general labor nor

does it represent some kind of

General commodity product some kind of

Labor that's involved in generalized

commodity production there's nothing

generalized

about the commodity production if any at

all is occurring in the service industry

it's not generalized

it's not abstract enough

why does it need to be abstract

I don't know maybe Marx wrote about it

in the first volume of capital

so I

it has to the labor has to be abstract

in order in order to be considered labor

I just think the act it has to be a form

of General it has to be a form of

Japanese so

I don't see how it's not general labor

I would Define being a service worker as

a late Euro laborer

the form of service work that is

performed

first of all

it is not a a General Industry the

service industry it's not a generalized

form of commodity production at all how

do you generalize all the inputs and

outputs involved in the service industry

besides with money namely one other

thing that you could generalize it

besides that nothing generalized

commodity production I mean you're

talking about the production of it yes A

diversity of self-same identical

standardized commodities

and a generalized labor process where

people are working standard I mean think

of fordism right that's a probably a

great example

the the assembly line of fortism

when it comes to a service job

you don't have any general labor when it

comes to the exchange between the wage

and the work

that is not something like

quantifiable in any abstract I'm not

just saying that on the basis of the use

value

it's not quantifiable on any abstract

basis moreover the wages tend to be

minimum wages

meaning it's just an expense the only

reason they're even being paid that much

is because it's mandated by the fucking

government

so it's not even a market price of what

their labor power actually is

yeah but I thought you said before that

whatever the market price is is what

their labor power is worth

yeah and these minimum wages

are not even the market price which

means Baristas probably should get one

dollar an hour

or less they should probably get five

cents an hour if you're going by the

market

if you're talking about from the

perspective of the production of surplus

value Baristas would probably get like

one penny an hour right

from the perspective of

our current market economy clearly that

would not be tenable right

but that begs the question is our

current market economy based on the

production of surplus value I don't

think it is

so I don't think that we live in the

capitalist mode of production anymore

yeah I guess I'm saying that like if the

economy isn't based on extraction and

surplus value then it doesn't that

that could that would radically change

the potential for revolution

no it wouldn't well it'd make it better

why

what is a revolution

well there's different kinds of

revolutions but I mean in terms of the

working class

yeah it would mean that our society

is more based on use value increasingly

based on use value

in command

probably in the form of data

and the attention economy

and that has implications for the

dictatorship of the working class

the interests political interests of the

working class which if you're talking

about an Economy based on use value

I mean that's already it right

that's already socialism

you think the economy in the United

States is predicated on used value no I

think something very strange has

happened

which nobody has really developed

I mean Michael Hudson has done work and

people are doing work but it's just

the traditional

marxian understanding of the capitalist

economy doesn't apply to the 21st

Century Century really

I mean the way I see it is that things

are more based in exchange value if

anything

okay

what is the exchange value

I mean I mean the way I see it there's

there's less value on what utility a

good has in society then

I mean like for example like Logan Paul

buying a Charizard card for a hundred

thousand dollars like the utility of

that card is not worth a hundred

thousand dollars

well it's

it's certainly not based on the labor

that goes into the fucking card either

no it's not but um

I I still don't see how like

I guess I just still don't see I I don't

see how the economy being not based on

Surplus value would mean there's more

revolutionary potential because the

extraction of the whole reason that

there's class antagonism between the

capitalist class and the working class

is that extraction of surplus value if

the economy is not based on that anymore

doesn't that you decide so you decided

let me let me point out to you the

profound problem at hand you decided

that because

a theory of something changes that means

the facts of class struggle changes

well I think I mean I would say that

it's been pretty obvious that there's

been a lot of

challenges to class struggle in general

third wayism and all these other things

but I would say that a lot of the

mechanization is that

capitalism has taken in its form today

have been with the pure reason of

necessarily thwarting class struggle or

making it harder to achieve by

abstracting it's all conspiracy between

workers so it's all conspiracies so that

your ideology won't become realized

so you don't think the capitalist as a

class engage in some like conspiratorial

measures to reproduce ideology to make

sure that proletarian ideology can't

overcome their own

which proletarian ideology

well I'm a Marxist so Marxism

during the Cold War especially the early

stages

the U.S waged the significant campaign

against Marxism by the time of the

sino-soviet split

the United States stops caring about

Marxism

because nobody even knew what that was

or meant anymore

and all that all they cared about really

was geopolitical influence which

thinkers which

which uh

hegemonys represented the interests of

the Soviets and which ones didn't that's

really all they started to care about

but I actually think that I'm sorry

yeah there was still the Cold War and

then there was this internal

battle going on within the United States

between two factions of the ruling class

one of it which

represented International social

democracy

if that's what you're referring to as

the neoliberal plot against yeah that

was Neil Liberty Allende and uh

neoliberalism and

neoliberalism and the international

social democracy

which it had supposedly

um waged war against there are two peas

in a pot there's the same the same

fucking thing actually

neoliberalism realized the aspirations

of international social democracy and

Margaret Thatcher could she she

could wave her hand about the fucking

Nanny State all she wanted and so could

Reagan but the truth is is that the

nanny stayed in the welfare state

expanded to an unprecedented degree

under neoliberalism so-called

neoliberalism

that's an objective fact

yeah well the government has never been

as big

in history it was smaller

in the so-called golden 60s and 50s

but I think it's rolling class today is

still concerned with Marxism being an

ideology

I think they are concerned with Marxism

I think a lot of the people in the

ruling class probably think of

themselves as marxists honestly Hillary

Clinton probably

you know she's probably like some

she probably just like goes to bed

reading Marxism and thinking she's a

fucking Marxist in private I bet she

does

yeah but I mean like she's not a Marxist

though at the end of the day like and I

think that's important of what we're

facing today with like the synthetic

love is basically it's this bastardized

Distortion of Marxism infused with

post-modernism you're gonna have to

explain how Marxism got so co-opted

and you can't do that if you

can't think beyond the narrow uh

confines of

so-called Marxist organizations and

their dogmas

well so how are you saying communism got

co-opted

or Marxism got co-opted because I think

it's very clear that it's there's an

ongoing Distortion of Marxism that only

serves the ruling class

today like today not only in the 70s or

the height of the Cold War I think today

there's still an existing

philosophical struggle that's basically

Marxism has been supplanted by

postmodernism

and I think it's important because I

think that actually reaching the masses

with dialectical thought regardless of

someone views themselves as a Marx

assessment at the end of the day doesn't

mean they actually are practicing

dialectical materialism so I think that

the ruling class does still care

otherwise I don't think this monstrosity

of a synthetic left would exist in the

first place

the ruling class doesn't give a shit

about Marxism

they're more scared of

islamism

uh Patriot front libertarianism

and uh some other ultra-nationalist

ideology or something they don't really

give a fuck about Marxism at all and

they have well because Marxism has been

nullified but if you have ascendant

movements that want and guess who

nullified Marxism you want to know who

nullified Marxism

who Marxist

self-proclaimed Marxist

I don't know if you then as Mark I don't

view Angela Davis as a Mark says

wasn't just her

no people of her ilk

the truth is but is that Marxist failed

to update Marxism

in the way that Mao and Lenin did

and they have been comfortable and

content with their

notion of Marxism and they just dwell in

it and then they complain about the

world

uh not realizing that they're complicit

in it

for what they're not doing and what

they're not doing is actually critiquing

the world

and critially don't you think that's

like an explicit development of like

social engineering like don't you think

the synthetic left was socially

engineered for a purpose

doesn't matter

it doesn't really matter I think I think

it matters because no no what happened

was that

a certain class of people emerged

who dominated the meaning of Marxism and

then the elements who represented the

genuine working class

you know sentiment

did not have the they didn't have as

much of a powerful hegemony or Theory or

whatever that was compelling enough they

didn't have a strategy to you know

preserve themselves so it's like

it's pretty simple you know it's you

yeah maybe yeah the CIA was involved

doing this and that but even if they

weren't it wouldn't have mattered at the

end of the day Marxist destroyed Marxism

but don't you think that Marxist could

reclaim Marxism like isn't that the

entire infrared project

um I guess

but um I don't see what's I don't see

what the point of that is

of reclaiming Marxism no I mean I don't

see what the point of

you know

I don't see the point of uh

what what is your point yes we're trying

to ReDiscover what Marxism is

yeah I'm saying like I think the ruling

class views Marxism as a threat I think

that's why they nullify but what is

Marxism and nobody knows what Marxism is

that's my point what is Marxism

well I mean whereas Marxism been

established

to be a threat to the ruling class

in America where what establishment of

Marxism do they fear there's none

it's taught in the universities go to

any fucking University it's all Marxism

yeah what they teach in the university

is like gramsi like basically like a

prescription

nachos gramsky they

Kar Karl Marx is one of the most sighted

people in American Academia okay

so I don't see what fear of Marxism

maybe they would maybe they would

potentially fear a Revival of Marxism

I agree they would and I think the

reaction to infrared

speaks enough on that front but the

truth is

the ruling class doesn't care about

Marxism I promise

they might not care about martism in

itself but I think they care about the

infusion of Marxism and letterism and I

think that's one of the reasons of why

they viewed the they uh they don't

really care about Marxism leninism

either they might have cared about

Soviet influence or Chinese influence

maybe I don't I haven't seen that one

really and they really don't fucking

care though they really don't give a

shit

so then what what purpose do you think

like the synthetic love serves in

general

I think the synthetic left

plays its own role

it's not to deceive people about the

left it's actually to fulfill the

function of the left

which is to you know participate in this

destructive process of being the

Vanguard of all that is solid melts into

air culturally and politically the left

it is it is like a yeah synthetic lift I

guess but

it's like it doesn't exist to repress

anything it actually fulfills the role

of like

being an attractive

medium for the Youth to channel their

resentments and

destructive uh

instincts

wait I'm sorry like you like uh my

headphones just die you repeat that

it's just event it's just the soft power

Vanguard of us imperialism and it's it

is it is what you pay for it's not a

conspiracy they're not pretending to be

pro-lgbt they're not pretending to be

for all these socialist causes they

actually are they do want to expand the

government they do want to have LGBT

domination of society they do want you

know they do want to like subject

everyone to these socializing

institutions and they do want to

expropriate quote unquote the

capitalists AKA truckers and turn them

into surfs for the great reason these

are all things they actually do want to

do and when AOC says that she wants a

green New Deal I believe her she does so

it's not just a thing to do people oh

it's not real socialism no this is

actually what they want

well I don't think it's I don't think

these are all people who are acting like

I do I believe that they believe these

things I think that's what's so what's

so powerful about ideology but I'm

saying why is American universities

reproducing this ideology if it wasn't

to thwart an actual ability they're

doing it because they've they've

weaponized they've weaponized the

Revolutionary insights of Marxism

in order to actually

accelerate the process of the

destruction

of what remains of any kind of semblance

of you know substantive traditional

society and reality that's just all that

is solid melts into air and they see

Marx's insights only in the critical

sense of you know exposing the true

nature behind things

and

they only interpret criticism

one-sidedly and it's you know it it's a

it's a it's a form of Western Marxism

it's Kanti and lukakshi and Marxism

I don't know I personally see like in

Academia especially like a a move away

from materialist thought that's why I

think the post-modernist trend is

actually so dangerous because I I I I I

uh I don't know what you mean by

materialism but

there we have never before had a belief

in the

you know

uh reductionistic nature of genetics and

all this shit and biology so I don't

know what you mean

well I mean specifically in terms of

post-modernist

idealism

and what is that

what do you mean what is post-modern

idealism

um

well I guess just in the sense that

like

is a subjective understanding about

concrete things so I mean like for

example like uh I guess like

deconstruction like deconstruction

deconstructing all these these accepted

narratives for example like within the

gender the gender uh discourse it's all

about deconstructing of like biological

sex or deconstructing of gender Norms

like in post-modernism for me the trend

that I see is that there's this

the idealism

that's rooted in subjectivity

overrides any other kind of

philosophical thought that might be

rooted in a more material understanding

of things

more material understanding be

of what of of the gender discourse

of anything

well it's not rooted in like just an

idea it's not rooted in like self

identification it's a material reality

for example like being a worker you just

can't self-identify as so you mean you

mean a um

tangibly observable reality

yes I think so your only problem is that

there's a division of labor because in

the sphere of stem Sciences you have an

ultra reductionism

that already defines how we understand

modern physics

and that is perfectly compatible with

the it's not idealism

when they do that it's the same vulgar

British materialism actually that has

given rise

to the view that gender is just personal

subjectivity

either being like lysenko and they're

like well yeah when you identify a

certain gender

you will like grow a vagina or some shit

they're not saying that they're like oh

yeah everything the biologists say is

true it's just we're gonna have the

discourse they only have that

free-spirited

interpretation of culture because of the

reductionism that they have invested

in

biology itself

so you don't think there's no I there's

no idealism on the part of someone

who thinks self-identification can

override

whatever material reality exists for

them

yeah obviously that's idealist I'm just

trying to tell you that that idealism

and your materialism are one and the

same thing

all right well I mean I guess what I'm

not understanding then is if we can't

reclaim Marxism

and there's no point to it then what

does the end goal like at all

of like even any socialist discourse

uh I think you can reclaim Marxism but

you can't do it

by

referring to established authorities on

what Marxism is because those

authorities in America at least have

completely discredited in themselves so

whenever you say oh I think this is

Marxist because of some convention

established by American marxists that is

a completely bankrupt thing when I say

something about Marxism that American

marxists have never heard before

that is not an indictment on The

credibility of what I'm saying that's an

indictment on the fact that established

Marxism is completely bankrupt in this

country

well that's what I'm saying is like

the way the synthetic leftists act when

you have any critique of anything on

their agenda like why does this

ideological class of people exist look

at how they react to certain critiques

that infrared has made look at how they

react towards larger critiques that even

conservatives make

if Marxism wasn't a threat I don't think

this entire ideological class of people

would exist at all

why not

because their entire existence is

they exist

to basically diminish the ability So

when you say Starbucks workers and

Railway workers don't have any ability

to connect with each other a lot of this

is purely on like cultural divisions no

it's not it really is no it's not

it really is okay where does the

cultural difference come from

I mean it depends on a lot of things

honestly it depends on your

socioeconomic status it depends on your

okay so the cultural difference is just

the proxy for the actual class

difference

no because a lot of Baristas I mean

don't have college education they make

minimum wage they're minimum wage

workers

okay a lot of blue collar workers don't

have college education either

you know what I'm just gonna go to a

soup kitchen and give them soup

I mean that's charity

all right so why are you pointing out

that they're poor

you think there's just zero connection

whatsoever

I don't think class uh identity is based

on income

at all

I think when the conditions of

capitalism keep you in similar

situations I think it's just like you

know what capitalism is not real and if

your life is shitty it's your fault

that's what I believe

foreign

yeah

so I mean

I I don't

nobody has a shared because I because

because nobody has a shared class

identity

based on suffering and based on what

they're not getting and based on what

they don't like that's not what

establishes a class identity that's not

what gives rise to a social formation in

any scientific sense

all these people have similar interests

because like their life is shitty well

that's not Marx's science I'm sorry

I mean going on strike doesn't mean you

think your life is shitty it means you

want more protections or you know what

your Twitter Twitter employees who make

200 000 a year also want more I don't

give a fuck

just because you want more means nothing

a spoiled brat a spoiled brat a spoiled

brat

with a fucking pink Mercedes also wants

more I don't give a shit yeah I don't

give a shit about people who make two

hundred thousand dollars a year a

borrower you still doesn't make two

hundred thousand dollars so you have an

ideology based on empathy and compassion

and care

I mean not at one point

so are you just gonna what's your

ideology just let people drink milk from

your titties or something like what is

this I don't get it

what's not to get I mean like I fully

explained it like oh this person is

suffering we should care for them more

there's a relationship they can draw

from each other no no just being poor

does not mean you have a similar

experience or similar outlook on

anything or maybe

maybe being rich

and being I think in a lot of cases poor

people have similar experiences not

universally because of course every

experience is different but like okay

well well a grad student living in

Brooklyn who's poor quote unquote will

never have anything in common

with a trucker in Canada

because the trucker isn't going through

the same ideological institutions that

uh someone who's in American Academia is

going through so then the real question

is why is Academia have these nullifying

because because it's a parent because

because big surprise that a parasitical

Institution

who's all of whose dependencies which

include graduate students big surprise

that parasites breed parasitical

ideologies

it's not but I'm saying it's if I get

paid if I get paid to have to fucking

listen to what a fucking blue hair grads

to Blue Hair Professor has to tell me

that means I'm a fucking parasite a

trucker doesn't have to care about that

shit because the work they do is not

dependent on their compliance with a

social agenda transport Goods in their

fucking truck it doesn't matter what

social agenda you have they're not

listening to a blue-haired grad student

but most people who inform conservative

media and who will a lot of the people

doesn't matter the work they do is

necessary regardless of anyone's

feelings if you feel a certain way if

you feel let me tell you the difference

if you're a grad student then everything

you earn is based on your feelings right

if you're a trucker what you earn is

based on what you do in objective

reality it has nothing to do with

feelings it has nothing to do with any

any of this blue has nothing to do with

that someone gotta deliver shit across

the border someone must do it or else

everything will collapse if we don't

have any more professors or if we don't

have any more grad students I guess a

lot of people will feel lost and bereft

of purpose in Brooklyn New York and I

think they can all go suck a dick

because at the end of the day everyone

else will be fine without them I'm

saying being being a grad student

doesn't necessarily mean that

conservatives aren't willing to listen

to you like Ben Shapiro like Michael

knows hold on hold on well well then

hold on

the fear of conservatives

except logic right the test would

actually be if those grad students can

get to the grad students as a class if

individual grad students are reaching

workers they're doing so at the expense

of the class that is grad students

this is like it's like basic logic why

would that why does it matter if Ben

Shapiro went to fucking College if 99 of

grad students hate Ben Shapiro well

there's a reason for that because he was

he stepped out and he decided to make a

living off of

attracting a different demographic than

the one that he himself belongs to

so what

like what's your point that doesn't mean

I'm saying that a grad student let's

dude listen listen listen conflict

truckers truckers truckers Truckers

um listening to fucking Alex Jones on

their spare time is not the same thing

as a Brooklyn fucking hipster

who is a grad student and makes a

fucking living off of

bullshit that's just there's notes

comparison between those things at all

yes there is because I'm saying not

every grad student has the same ideology

conservatives are doesn't matter if

they're making money if they're making

money off of being a grad student

working for an institution and the

institution is the one paying them they

are a fucking parasite I don't care and

most Baristas are grad students they're

like it's the same class of people

they're not though I mean like my people

who work at the Dunkin Donuts I go to

they're literally like everyone's 30

plus Dunkin Donuts Dunkin Donuts

Dunkin Donuts people are more like

McDonald's and Burger King people and

those are just people trying to make

money there's nothing wrong with them

but those people that there's a reason

why Dunkin Donuts workers

don't want to like

beautified they're not like oh yeah my

goal in life is to make this job

something I want to do it's more like my

goal in life is to escape this stupid

job at Dunkin Donuts

is hated by everyone

I guarantee it the guy who works at

Dunkin Donuts and just loves doing their

job at Dunkin Donuts everyone hates them

at their job everyone hates them nobody

why should they hate him

because he's a fucking narc because when

you watch because you wanna because when

you want to go in the fucking bathroom

and fucking do a line of coke he's gonna

fucking snitch that's fucking why okay

because he's a fucking narc because he's

got a fucking bow tie he's got a fucking

bow tie and glasses and he's like and

don't get and nobody fucking cares about

these stupid jobs dude they're just

trying to make money I don't have any

problem with that I have a problem with

narcs and that's what Starbucks workers

are

our Starbucks workers and arcs

the same way SpongeBob SquarePants is a

fucking narc and fucking Squidward

is just trying to make money that's the

fucking difference

but they both work at the same company

so there could be two ideologically

different people working within the same

no it's not ideology it's like the

difference is when you make it an

institution when you try to make a

Starbucks fucking Union and you try to

tell me a Marxist and communist that I

should give a fuck about your dumb

Starbucks bullshit you're being

SpongeBob SquarePants when you're just

some random fuck who's like yeah man I'm

just making some money so I can buy

crack in my spare time you're just an OG

random motherfucker average person who's

just trying to be on his grind I don't

have any fucking problem with you but

you're not trying to make it my problem

that's the fucking difference and if you

are trying to make my fucking problem

you're not doing it as a Starbucks

worker but as an average regular

motherfucker who's trying to get Ubi

trying to destroy the service industry

or trying to bring back manufacturing

jobs that you what matters is when do

you elevate your life to some kind of

social significance that's when it

fucking matters

how are they supposed to do that

they're supposed to do it by instead of

saying oh yeah

as a barista they'll just be like as a

as an American citizen who wants a

dignified fucking job I I hate my job at

Starbucks I want to work a dignified job

I want to work a job that actually

um is Meaningful and dignified and I'm I

have to I'm just doing this to make

money right now I don't want I don't

want this to have the social

significance of being a job that like

should exist and like you know

we should be comfortable with nobody

fucking wants that

there's plenty of people who they don't

view their job like that but first of

all like even Factory labor was not the

earliest forms of factory labor you

think those people were in a factory

saying this is really dignified I love

working 16 hours a day and breathing in

trouble no but the minute they elevated

no but when they elevated their

circumstance to social significance they

started to have to think about the use

value of their job and they're like you

know what

um this is still going to exist in

socialism because it's like actual

physically necessary work and I just

want it to be dignified there's nothing

inherently demeaning about the work

that's literally what Baristas are

saying

Union

there is something inherently demeaning

about Starbucks work that's the point

that I'm making

so it's not the same thing is that you

think it's different there's nothing

inherently demeaning about working at a

fucking Factory because you don't have

there's nothing inherently demeaning

about working at a fucking Factory there

is something inherently demeaning about

being a prostitute or being a barista

yeah I know you think prostitute is

comparable to Barista

I'm just trying to give you an example

of a demeaning job I think that actually

diminishes the severity of like

prostitution as a social ill I don't

care

I guess not

I don't know I think prostitution no I'm

pretty sure I'm pretty sure that I'm

pretty sure the prostitutes are really

empowered by the Starbucks Union like we

should have our own fucking Union

no it's the same shit dude go look at

the Starbucks Union they're furries and

they're just dude I don't know what to

tell you I don't think they're all 30s I

I I I but it's like that's what it is

it's a reflexive it's a reflexive it's a

reflexive

ideological hipster phenomena it's not

some like working class movement it's a

bunch of entitled fucking it's a bunch

of entitled fucking uh you know

reflexive hipster urbanites glasses

wearers who got the idea that they

should

be entitled to this and that because of

this and that contrived abstract moral

reason like none of it's actually

grounded in any like real world anything

it's just

because if it was I know for a fact a

real working class person who works at

Starbucks

is just gonna like work there get their

bag and get the fuck out they're not

gonna be like no we went no they're not

dude they're gonna go there get their

bag get the fuck out of there right or

they're probably gonna get fired

honestly uh for like

you know I I just I don't I don't what

you're saying is fucking stupid

I don't see how how are a dog if a

Duncan worker wanted to organize a

Duncan workers want to organize a union

that's going to make it more likely that

they get a bag

I will have nothing to do without your

lunch I will no nobody forms a fucking

Union to get the bag nobody does that

you form a fucking Union

not to get the fucking bag but to make a

point

there's no way a union could ever be

formed if people were just interested in

getting the bag no way I mean like union

jobs historically had like is the reason

why America built a middle class

union jobs this is like dude of

the ability to use logic

if unions resulted in more Prosperity

that is in no way

a example of any form of evidence

that Prosperity or the wanting of

personal prosperity

is the motivating factor for individuals

to form unions

so basically workers historically have

just been trying to prove a point they

don't care about no no organizers have

been trying to prove

putting meat on the table

organizers have been trying to prove a

point

and there's something called Trade union

Consciousness Trade union consciousness

according to Marxism

is when workers

Step Beyond their personal

their personal life and they start to

regard the Union as an institution that

they're loyal to sometimes even at the

expense of their personal life

because it gives them some kind of

Elementary meaning and Sensibility of

the world that's Trade union

Consciousness it's a form of

consciousness

it's not just like oh I want to get the

bag like I'm a Gangster I'm a fucking

Hustler trying to get the fucking bag so

I'm gonna form a unit that's not how it

fucking works

well I mean that's a reductionism of

course I don't only believe that's how

it works but I'm saying if your whole

thing is about getting more money a

union would help that no no no that's a

social message if your whole thing is

about getting more money then you will

fucking rob a bank or some shit or you

will do something under the table Loki

that you don't tell Society about and

you don't fucking elevate it to social

significance you will get on your hustle

you won't fucking talk about it in

public Society class man who has a

family robbing a bank serves massive

social implications first of all if you

have any moral code of conduct you

probably wouldn't do it in the first

place because you wouldn't want to

threaten people in general like

upstanding citizen of society would much

rather organize a union so they can get

democratically what they deserved in

terms of compensation for the labor they

provide versus putting so much on the

line to what rob a bank to go to prison

to not see your kids again just

organizing a union have that same

repercussion no not anymore are you are

you are you retarded mentally

yes explain to me what is wrong with

what I said

because the point isn't specifically

about robbing a bank but speaking to the

point it's a pride

Pride when you privately want to make

more fucking money you don't Elevate

that to any level of social significance

if it's an immediate private necessity

it's going to be acted upon as an

immediate private necessity you're not

going to be like oh because I want this

thing that's of immediate private

significance to me I'm gonna like create

this institution and do all of it's like

no that is way that is way too many

steps removed from the motivating factor

so yes

instead of giving all this fucking

energy to a union people will probably

just like

get creative and trying to like get

money some other kind of fucking way if

it's just about money

nobody's gonna put their fucking job on

the line trying to organize an entire

fucking Union

that's my point

I mean like literally after only after

the organizing is done

or maybe at best when you get to the

point where it's like you're just going

to be voted on

or like they're gonna vote on whether

they want to join the union at that

point maybe the the you know there they

might take into account okay how is this

relating to my ability to make money in

my personal life or my personal

circumstances by the way that's also a

reason a lot of people reject unions a

lot of the time because they don't want

to be tied down to their fucking

workplace right but anyway that's like

why the Amazon labor union first failed

because it wasn't the Amazon labor union

it was some other establishment Union

trying to unionize the Amazon workers

they didn't want it right

so

that was before Chris Smalls

that's very common okay

so no you're wrong personal reasons are

not the actual fucking reason people

form unions it's not it's because of

Trade union consciousness

and what is the Trade union

Consciousness based in on an individual

level do you think Lenin was fighting so

Lenin could like get higher wages

is that why Lenin went to fucking

siberian prison why did Lennon go to

siberian prison only get higher wages

but I'm saying a lot of union workers

are organizing for the basis of

improving their material conditions no

they're not no they're not no they're

not no they're not no they're not no

they're not no they're not no they're

not no they're not no they're not no no

they're not no they're not another one

yeah if you want to make it a fucking

per if you want to make a social cause

around getting more money you would join

a fucking Forex Discord talking about

money it's not just only about it's

about better conditions for their

working it's about all the different

things that come in with Union

organizing yeah no they have so much

better conditions when they uh get fired

or when they like you know like they

they they have to go on strike they have

to lose their job they have to raise

money for strike funds all of that

people want to do it's a last resort so

obviously it's it's like that that

improves their and and by the way and

how does Starbucks respond to it how

does Starbucks respond Starbucks just

closes their fucking the place down

so that means they shouldn't do it

because Capital will react negatively no

no shit Capital no no it means it means

clearly they're not just fucking doing

it to improve their fucking material

circumstances

and even if they fucking are why should

I give up even if they fucking are why

should I give a shit

even if even if they are dreaming that

they're gonna have a Starbucks Union

where they're going to be like the

Twitter employees why do I give a fuck I

don't give a shit

how are they like Twitter employees

actually they might because it is

exclusively the parasitical stratum of

the urban hipster right scum who do make

it society's Problem whatever personal

fantasies they have whether they want to

adopt a gender that they want to enforce

on everyone to recognize or whether

they're like they feel entitled to like

all this shit and they want to make it

society's problem that we're not

fulfilling their personal fantasy they

do have the lack of shame to just say

you know what I want you to pay for my

fucking fantasy personally and you can

fuck off man

make things how are they saying that's

society's problem what are they trying

to make society's Problem by organizing

they're trying to like make you're

trying to make us give a fuck about them

when we don't

foreign

I mean I just I'm not against them

forming unions

yeah I used to not give a fuck but now I

actually am against them because they're

trying to have regime change in China

and uh there's other shit too like how

they're tied to the left

and the left are a bunch of disgusting

uh scum who I wish nothing but

Misfortune upon so it's not only the

Starbucks Union but actually Baristas

are my personal enemy now too

yeah I mean like I don't think the

Starbucks Union necessarily has amazing

politics like I agree that unions can

have shit politics like the four major

unions in the U.S basically yeah I I

actually hate Starbucks Baristas they're

so rude in particular they're so fucking

rude and shit it's like wow they they

always just they always you know they're

the only people who just like think they

own their workplace already

they like they they act like they're

like they're in charge right

they act like they're in charge you're

not in charge bitch you're a fucking

slave

go make a fucking Frappuccino again dumb

bitch you're not in charge of anything

they always act like they're the boss oh

yeah I'm in charge no you're not no

you're fucking not this whole thing's a

sham you don't run this place you're not

you're not the fucking shopkeeper you're

not the fucking shopkeeper you're a

fucking servant nothing else

they always act like they're the

shopkeeper though right and they're not

they're just not

and I actually think they should all go

to jail

they've always been pretty nice to me I

feel like usually

yeah but there's just something about

them I don't like there's just some like

they're they're so entitled and they're

just so like bitter and shit you know

it's like yeah I don't get it yeah yeah

there's so bitter but here's the thing

here's the thing they're so bitter and

shit and it's like

then just quit that job dumbass and

nobody has to work at Starbucks out of

necessity now a motherfucker at Dunkin

Donuts is not necessarily bitter they

may not be happy they not be in a Jolly

mood but it's just like oh just another

day another grind whatever that's the

fucking mentality at Dunkin Donuts at

Starbucks they make it seem like I've

done wrong to them and I've I I've done

something to them

shut the fuck up you fucking Barista

idiot go fucking get a real job stop

fucking complaining at the world that

you're a fucking loser and the fact that

these people want more control over

their workplace that they already have

I'm against that outright actually I I'm

I might go out of my way to subvert

their efforts to be honest I don't want

these people to have more power I want

these people to be kept down as much as

possible actually

well I I mean all right um that's a lot

definitely I mean I don't think I'd take

it to that extent but I definitely hate

a lot of the social politics they have

but I just still support their ability

to organize a union

and i would support the same thing for

Dunkin Donuts workers I don't think

Dunkin Donuts workers will ever form a

union

because they are just not about that

shit I'm they don't care I promise they

don't give a Dunkin Donuts workers

will sooner rob a fucking bank than form

a fucking Union for Dunkin Donuts they

may as well just Rob the fuck you want a

union just take money out the cash

register no one will notice I promise

they're not gonna notice you can

actually just take a few twenties I

think they're definitely gonna know

they're not they don't notice that shit

I trust me they don't notice it

it's not that hard

no I think Dunkin Donuts workers would

organize unions but I think there's I

just I I haven't I just have such a

suspicion

that if someone was like Hey guys that's

for my union someone bitch shut your

bitch ass up the fuck you mean a union

and they would bully him and give him a

fucking swirly and then just take a 20

out the cash register that's what I

think about Dunkin Donuts honestly

it's such like a SpongeBob thing next

Barbie Union and who the fuck is that

shit right if you if you like just you

know you don't you don't have to follow

the law in a video game you could just

like steal from Dunkin Donuts and shit

it ain't that you don't you don't you

can you don't even have to like work

pretty much if you really don't on it

you can comment you can just be at

Dunkin Donuts on reading a magazine and

if someone comes in and asks you for so

you can just ignore them honestly what

do they nothing will happen

I mean the Dunkin Donuts workers at the

Duncan I go to those motherfuckers work

hard as fuck every day yeah I know but

I'm just saying like

they're not

it's not what you think it's not gonna

be like Starbucks where they're gonna

have glass

they don't like have such a reflexive

attitude such a conscientious attitude

to what they're doing to the point where

they're gonna be like let's recycle they

don't give a fuck about that right well

honestly I think a lot of Duncan that's

just what it is that's just what it is

when the Starbucks workers unionize this

is not like some like raw expression of

the material interests of a class as

much as like it's the expression of some

kind of like moral cause like recycling

or helping the planet in an

environmental group or an LGBT activist

movement or taking down statues in Town

Square it's more like this thing of like

oh we should have a union because it's

unfair like it's more like this kind of

like contrived social cause like black

lives matter then it is the expression

of this raw interest of a material class

that's why that's what it actually is if

you're a theater kid

if you're a theater kid and I'm walking

in the park and I'm just like I'm

drinking water and I just throw it on

the ground because why not

you know the theater kid is going to

have a problem they're gonna hey you're

poisoning the environment

and that's just the narc nature of these

people right this grad student

urbanized whatever

these are not people who have the

outlook on life that the working class

does now I'm not saying the working

class litters or doesn't have any kind

of like socially conscientious morality

of any kind I'm just saying

they keep it Frugal they keep it very

frugal they don't like these like they

don't like being whipped up on campaigns

to just like let's save the environment

they're like nope let's just do things

as we have done and our forefathers have

done let's just keep things normal right

you know it's like it's like these

theater kids are lar do you know what it

is the Starbucks Union is a form of LARP

it's live action role play of the 20th

century union movement

by Baristas who

just like furries are LARPing just like

the furry it's it's exactly what it is

it's LARP

they're using the imagery and slogans

of the 20th century

labor movement

um to justify their own feelings of uh

you know moral vanity

and moreover

you can even see this like scabby the

rat

New York Times journalists are they

working class to you because they also

went on strike recently and they like

they brought a big like scabby the rat

mascot to their workplace and these are

New York Times journalists are those the

working class to you I mean honestly at

first I really didn't give a fuck I even

posted something that I was like I

literally don't care about New York

Times unions but then I I they don't I

mean they only make like 60k a year so I

guess regardless of what their ideology

the fact that they make a dollar the

fact that they give a fuck I guess if

they make a little more yeah the fact

that they make one dollar at all for

that garbage is a disgusting insult

on Humanity as a whole the fact that

people get to get anything so you're

telling me that there are plumbers who

have to go and clog shit for a living

and then there's other people who can go

make a living writing for the New York

Times yeah here's the difference the New

York Times yeah ideologically

reproducing some trash but Barista is

just handing a dupe coffee who's about

to go to work

and yet in terms of Consciousness the

New York Times writer and the Barista is

indistinguishable are the same kind of

LARP where they bring scabby the rat and

they pretend to be 20th century steel

workers and they try to like justify

what they're it's all a contrived

institutional social cause it has

nothing to do with material necessity

New York Times writers they're educated

they tend to feel

it's like they're the ones who would be

educated enough to know about Union

history to know all these references in

the first place

just like when Tara and Thief you know

Taran feedback from the Communist Party

USA she's personally right now on strike

at cuni whatever New York uh University

she's a grad student on strike right now

Taryn fievec and she's LARPing as the

working class

and that all that's all you really need

to know to see this is all just a sick

game of LARP that has nothing to do with

class struggle it's just these fucking

larpers who are using the

um Aesthetics of class struggle to do

something entirely separate from class

struggle is something that has social

significance it's not something that is

like this like moral Crusade and this

like black lives matter contrived

fucking cause it's just not

so you don't think there's anything that

any Starbucks worker is organizing for

outside of just this contrived ideology

nothing else nothing else

nothing else

I mean I think there are definitely

workers who are organized if I hated my

fucking job so much

I would just quit

if I hated my job so much yeah but

that's not like the full reaction here's

the difference when I when I work if I

work at Amazon right

it's like what I consider joining the

Amazon labor union probably because it's

like you know what I work here I pack

boxes and shit and

this is a decent enough job but you know

we could use more protections and rights

and it's a good job and it's a good

paying job and the job is otherwise

great

and whatever right

but if you have so much personal

grievances at Starbucks

working for Starbucks do you want to

form a fucking Starbucks Union fuck you

I would just quit at that point like

okay this is clearly not the job for me

at at um Amazon it's like hold on

Factory workers have more rights than us

here at Amazon other warehouse workers

got way more protections this is like

it's not really unreasonable to expect

or feel entitled to something more at

the Amazon labor union because it's like

jobs that are similar to this already do

better

Starbucks is already overpaid compared

to everyone else in the service whatever

the same industry so it's like

I don't sympathize with I would just

quit if I'm so upset at Starbucks then

I'm like oh my God and then I'm gonna

just quit I'm not gonna fucking form a

union at Starbucks I'll just quit

well I mean there are people who quit

they could go for job applications they

give two week notice there's people who

don't quit because they don't hate the

job yeah and giving a two-week notice

and give you just said it Starbucks

workers are exactly the type that always

give it two weeks notice

I don't think there's anything wrong

with getting a two weeks notice

especially when capitalists like

literally design workplaces to have

Labor shortages it's actually just a

sign of like courtesy to the other

people who work in a place too bad too

bad it's a doggy dog world too bad too

bad if you're not paying my bills I

don't give a fuck about you doggy dog

world anyway

um I just feel like that's like sounds

like so so when you get fired do you get

a two week so when you get you get fired

do you get a two-week notice no you

don't so just leave no you don't I used

to pathologize it like that until I

realize when people don't get two week

notices how much it fucks me over at my

own job so I started sympathizing with

workers so I would give it two weeks

notice but to me that pathology sounds

like uh nah the way I see it is that

it's the own if I'm just doing this job

to get by and make money

there's no such thing as someone else

fucking me over by leaving the job I'll

just fucking leave that's just starting

every Starbucks worker either get gives

a two week notice I was making just like

a general quip but there are there's no

if you quit see this is how much the the

Great American the Great American

people right now

who are quitting these jobs they just

kind of just like quit and they don't

say nothing and they just like leave and

they don't even like they just leave

they don't even say anything and that's

a that's great and you're saying that's

bad you're a narc just like the

Starbucks I think it sucks when uh

especially when workplaces literally are

designed to have like they're not

staffed properly

okay why is that another man's problem

why is that another man because not

every person hates their job you act

like that's the thing it's yours okay if

you're in the service sector if you are

in the services

if you are in the service sector and you

don't hate your job politically speaking

you are the class enemy of the working

class it's that simple

I don't think so mm-hmm

yes you are

because your fucking job is the epitome

of dehumanizing slavery and you like it

you're a fucking narc you're smoking

Barista is you're a SpongeBob you are

SpongeBob that's SpongeBob mentality

no I just think you sound like someone

who has like little to no experience in

a workplace

okay

I don't care what you think uh you are

SpongeBob clearly abundant but you care

on some level because you invited me on

your stream

yeah now you're throwing on anecdotals

no actually I worked at every Starbucks

in America and I worked everywhere I've

worked everything everywhere no I just

think giving a two-week notice could be

courtesy to the other workers to other

workers that you work with every day

that you build camaraderie with

and yeah I'll never speak to them again

I'm leaving anyway

they'll never see me again

well that's yeah that is how people look

at it I'm aware of that

and it's not my fault I I'm a free

person I'm not a Slave

I'm not responding I'm not responsible

for taking care why should I be

responsible unless I have like unless I

have a personal relationship to my boss

and my co-workers and everyone it's like

a small shop I'm not gonna take care of

some other man's ball sack and be like

Oh and people I'll just leave man what

the fuck people I'm a free maps like

that are literally like fucking

teenagers who like literally don't give

a shit they live at home someone who's

gonna just abruptly quit their job out

of nowhere they have to pay rent they

have things that cost them for survival

so they're actively looking for another

job well it doesn't it doesn't take a

day to get another job it could take a

couple of weeks so if you already know

you're going to be looking for nothing

people are quitting jobs

people

are quitting jobs in record numbers

yeah what's the age demographic of those

people quitting jobs they're in their

20s and 30s yeah they're 20 year olds

who live at home who are no that's not

what I said retard shit you can easily

just quit their job okay let's look at

the data let's just stop talking about

this and look at the data undignified I

don't want to be a Starbucks worker I

want to be a SoundCloud rapper they're

fucking little brat pieces of shit they

don't work at their mom's house you

fucking retard these are people in their

30s no one no one can just up and quit

their job just because they don't like

it and they're doing it though but

that's what people are fucking doing

well it's retard that's what they're

doing

20 year olds are doing that people who

don't have to pay rent can just quit

yeah you're lying you're just lying just

because they don't like it you are lying

you are just lying these are not 20 year

olds who don't have to pay rent people

who have to pay rent

are quitting their job

really so that's what that's what the

data says that you're exciting that

people who have to pay rent are quitting

their jobs yes

and which report is this

this has been something that has been

going on since covid and the covid

checks it's still going on it's going on

because people are so there's they got

spoiled off the covet unemployment

checks now you sound like a narc see how

you sound like a narc dude you sound

like the boss right now you sound like a

fucking narc you you're talking about

the working class dude

you are a fucking teacher's pet you are

the teacher's pet you're the teacher's

pet you are the boss's pet yeah you

fucking have it he literally like oh all

these people are just spoiled off of

covet checks yeah dude you're on the

side of capital you represent capitals

you represent Capital you represent

Capital you represent Capital you

represent Capital you represent Capital

gotcha bitch you represent capital and

you lock Downs that's what you support

the laptop class no I support I support

people out of the workplace I support

people not have I say I support I

support I support service sectors who

have finally gotten the courage to just

say you know what I'm not going to work

I support that I support

I support that because you know what

it's just

you could there are other ways to make

money than working in the fucking

service sector

so many other ways you can go to trade

school

you can do it you can do so much else

you can do gig shit the guy who came the

other day

to install my TV

he's an example he does gig work he

chooses his own time now you can do

ubereats you can do doordash

my friends have done that ain't nothing

wrong with that you can do a gig start

you know you can do something a gig side

job something like that

and it's not sustainable in the whole

long term but neither is the fucking

service sector that's the thing I have

seen people who are 70 years old

where I was working at a fucking service

sector job and I see that I'm not going

to be that guy I'm not going to spend my

whole fucking life here I'll take my

fucking risk that's the mentality this

great new generation of Americans have

they'll take their risk going to do the

gig economy stuff then working at a

fucking stupid service sector workplace

so the gig economy which is a product of

neoliberalism is somehow good to get our

support the gig economy or service

sector hey

anything better yes it

it's way better it's even better because

there's no way to institutionalize it

there's no way to impose social agendas

or cultural agendas on it and guess what

everyone I know who works on the fucking

gig economy likes it better than these

institutionalized workplaces every

single one every single one says I love

the freedom it gives me I love the

ability to feel dignified like this is

my choice I can choose I don't have to

answer to a boss I don't have to fucking

answer to some fucking guy I don't have

to wear the uniforms that someone wants

me to wear that is so freeing and

liberated that is so liberating in

California they're trying to fucking get

rid of the fucking gig economy and shit

and all the workers are going they went

on Dock Workers went on strike over it

because they hated it owner operators

want to own their own fucking trucks

instead of having to work for fucking

Trucking corporations this is the new

era of the working class yes I support

it it's the new fordism and fortism was

A step above the thing before and just

like this is a step above the old Fortis

paradigm so yeah I'm a supporter of

progress personally yeah and that's why

that's why you're the reactionary and

you and the leftists are the

reactionaries and um

Progressive Haze that's the fucking

difference I still support gig workers

and I talk to Gig workers no I support

gig workers gig workers no gig workers

don't want to abolish the gig economy

they want to make it better so do I I

think we don't we are transitioning into

a data economy it's more Dynamic it's

Deng Xiaoping data economy you know we

need to abolish Uber I support Uber I

like uber I use Uber as a service every

day but most of the jobs everything

needs to be disrupted everything needs

to be disrupted everything needs to be

disrupted everything needs to be

disrupted

I'm on that whole thing crypto all of

that web three everything gig economy

unleash the productive forces wipe away

the cool locks wipe away the leftist

wipe away Starbucks wipe away all of it

Wipe It All Away Paul not like Uber

drivers have no connection to

Baristas let me tell you something when

I literally there is such a Uber drivers

Uber drivers Uber drivers Uber drivers

I'm with Uber drivers that wear suits

and these people got 10 phones on that

are always on their hustle and shit they

got the Bluetooth earpiece gel hair

slick back got a fucking nice car and

shit that's it's such a dignified thing

when you think about it compared to uh

working at fucking McDonald's or Wendy's

or some shit it's your car your rules

your time your everything if you don't

like the passenger no more get the fuck

out of my car bitch

the only thing the only thing that gig

the only thing that gig economy workers

are controlled by is ratings and that is

a fucking problem the rating thing but

guess what it's like more direct and

more honest

than working at fucking Applebee's

period

Uber drivers they don't make a lot of

money

you think service workers make a lot of

money no they don't exactly so they both

want they why don't they both deserve

like better fucking standards of living

if that's what they want to organize for

see the gig economy workers they just

want a solid foundation to flourish upon

and make earn their keep right they want

the opportunity to earn their keep

because I agree the gig economy doesn't

give you a foundation so that's just all

they want is a foundation right to make

to actually have something to stand on

like a plot of land or some shit like

that whereas Starbucks workers and the

service worker Union people they just

want to tie people down to these fucking

dead-end jobs with more perks and

benefits and force them to be there and

stay there

and that is just reactionary actually

it's reactionary objectively

it's not some people don't like doing

Uber some people would rather be a

barista than if you don't like doing

that whoever doesn't like doing Uber

people who don't like doing Uber go do

something else that's what they do they

don't yeah

then let them become a fucking Barista

and if you don't like being a barista go

fucking be an Uber driver again or do

whatever the fuck you want but a

Starbucks Union is reactionary

unions the unions are being used in such

a reactionary way now to stipend the

development of the productive forces and

stifle the transition into the fourth

Industrial Revolution economy that we're

transitioning into and they're trying to

hold us back just like how these same

fucking people want to stop AI art

because they hate AI art well real

artists fuck the real artist if you

can't make better art than AI art you're

not a fucking artist and you shouldn't

you don't deserve shit same fucking

these are reactionaries luddites

reactionaries start see I'm against both

Starbucks and the Starbucks Union

Starbucks outdated reactionary Starbucks

Union outdated reactionary

uh a plague on both their houses they

can both suck a dick I'm talking about

the gigging I'm talking about the fourth

Industrial Revolution we're going to

talk about

we're going to talk about coffee that

assembles itself with 3D printing from

magnets all right

that's the future I don't give a fuck

about Starbucks what the fuck is that

we're talking about the future where

people can connect the coffee they drink

through the air they breathe through

um smartphone haptic feedback

using 5G networks on the 6G data phone

connection all right we're talking about

progress here I don't give a fuck about

star of that old dumb previous Paradigm

of Starbucks I just don't give a shit

about that

I mean I don't think the fourth

Industrial Revolution is going to bring

this utopian society it's not utopian

it's not utopian it's not utopian but it

is the paradigm shift it is the future

instead of the past it is the next big

thing it is the next big thing and we

need to unleash the productive forces

like a goddamn fucking hurricane and

displace all these stupid unnecessary

unneeded sectors of the economy

disrupted all let's have a full full

acceleration forward

yeah I mean I don't agree with the full

acceleration exactly because you already

because you're not a Marxist no because

you're not obnoxious because that's what

Marxism is about Marxism is about

steam ahead full steam ahead I'm sick of

the sentiments only Starbucks I'm in my

Starbucks I don't give a fuck about

Starbucks full steam ahead are you poor

do you support transhumanism

that's that's not the same thing

why is cybernetics is a part of the

fourth Industrial Revolution cybernetics

is a beautiful technology

transhumanisms organic transhumanism is

a pipe dream that will never be possible

Revolution and if workers aren't in

control of transhumanism transhumanisms

transhumanism will never be possible

not worried about it I think it

definitely I'm not worried about it

not worried about it I'm definitely

worried about when billionaires like

Martin rothblatt are investing like

millions of dollars

billions of dollars into this industry

of transhumanism cybernetics I think

it's a problem

okay transhumanism will never happen

it's just not possible they might try to

kill us which they're trying to do but

the way you just the way you disempower

them from doing that unleash the

productive forces empower the small guy

empower the little guy reap the rewards

and the fruits of progressive industrial

change overthrow the fucking monopolies

top of the whole fucking thing campusia

in the technocratic age 2.0 Robo Paul

pot

I don't know I don't I don't really

agree yeah

well

we're not talking about glasses words

because we're fucking Terminator

infrared vision now and we're not saying

oh the glasses whereas they are just not

natural they're not we have they're just

wearing glass now we're saying the

glasses wears

are not updated to infrared Terminator

fucking laser vision which is what we

have Robo Paul pot

well I I don't know

I I pretty much disagree with the

premise

um it's coming

it's coming anyway

I'm not against technological expansion

or Revolution and I know Mark's viewed

the technological expansion of the

original Industrial Revolution and

capitalism

to be a progressive Force but I think in

many ways the force has yielded obvious

negative

repercussions for Society for specific

classes as a whole so I think that if

that technological Revolution is not

controlled by the working class then

it's going to have real negative

replication but it's not going to be

controlled by the working class by

having fucking Barista unions

it's only going to be controlled by the

working class you know you have a

working class movement Maga communism

movement in this country

take the reins of power constitutional

Revolution

nationalize the big industry's big year

zero big transformation

1776 style 2.0 I mean you're talking

about a national movement about the

mecca workers not fucking Baristas

frolicking around with fucking mugs of

coffee and I hope they spill it on

themselves

and who are the mecca workers the rail

workers

um you know uh owner operators of trucks

people who are um trade you know trade

school workers you know welders all that

kind of stuff people who do real

physical work

with tools and shit and machines

forklift operators warehouse workers

you know

Dock Workers all that all that jazz you

know people who are actually

engaged in mechanical

powerful work

real workers not fucking

all right

yeah thank you Jen I appreciate you

we come from the to kill the

cringe-based underscore Skynet 2036. yes

all right Skynet 2036 indeed what are

you saying

I said I just think that workers in

various Industries are capable of coming

to uh revolutionary Consciousness a

non-synthetic well Starbucks as

Starbucks let me tell you what you can

have individual Starbucks people be cool

that's fine the truth is when the

revolution comes the Starbucks Baristas

will be on the front lines of the

counter Revolution on the barracks with

LGBT Pride flags and furries with blue

hair and they're going to basically try

and stop year zero from happening

guaranteed

well you might be right honestly

I don't know

but I just I do think that Baristas are

capable of coming to a non-synthetic

ideology

I know so are so was anyone else anyone

else's too

because that's why I don't want to

disregard them wholesale even landlord

even even literal feudal landlords can

come to the conclusion of revolution

or socialist like Marxist Revolution

Marxist Spirit yeah yes they have in the

past Nobles and feudal Nobles and feudal

landlords can actually also be won over

to Communism as individuals but that has

nothing to do with class it has nothing

to do with their social significance

because clearly landlords are

reactionary as a class

that's different from individuals

yeah but I think there's a big

difference between a landlord and and a

barista because a landlord like

they

earn their income in two completely

different ways

individual Baristas

re with Communists are truly or truly

revolutionary ideas they're not doing it

as Baristas they're doing it as

individuals history and rolling out in

our 2036 meccas

yeah but I mean like so then how do they

cut what is what is what how is a

barista coming to this communist or

socialist ideology if it's not because

of what they do every day

why would does a feudal landlord come to

become a communist socialist

because of the idea because of a

personal connection they've established

between the idea and what they believe

and their level of knowledge and their

level of conviction and their ideology

it's not based in their material class

yes I I think it happens way more with

Barista who is a worker I guarantee you

the privilege landlords don't want to

make housing like a human right

most

most no they're it's more likely that

you're coming from the nobility that you

become a Marxist than a barista

how

that is historical fact

more nobility can you look up the

Bolshevik party

um leadership no I mean I know like

Felix

um I don't know how to pronounce his

last name like I know he came from a

noble family

so did I know the other Communists so

did many other Communists including ones

that are actually ruling in China today

are descendants from Chinese feudal

families

yeah so they supported it on what a

moralistic basis no they they're these

were accultured

educated people

who decided to selflessly devote

themselves to Communism on the basis of

its truth they are real true Nobles

true Nobles that's that's called having

a noble spirit

it's no ability and then the Starbucks

workers they don't have a noble Spirit

they can but that has nothing to do with

the base material

level of class which only exerts its

significance on a mass level

I just think the fundamental difference

of why I'm born like because and I'm not

even going to say a Starbucks barista

I'm going to say a barista in general is

not because of necessarily a moralistic

concern with socialism but because they

understand their own status as a laborer

no

no if the minute they make it about

themselves

they're not there's no possibility they

will ever be revolutionaries they will

just be

you know

retoids

well I don't know I don't really have

much else to say honestly

okay

but if that's if there's nothing else

that you really want to talk about I

guess because I I don't know I just

disagree

I don't know well I I think I agree with

a lot of things that you said tonight

even where I did disagree but I felt

like it was different from a lot of the

discourse in general around the Baristas

because now you're saying some of them

can be good

yeah like I just don't I don't agree as

individuals anyone can be good cops can

be good there's a lot of good cops well

I agree with that that's why I think

that a cat of shit that the love does is

fucking well okay anyone can be good

there's probably good people who work

for the fucking

CIA who are cool people

what is Edward Snowden

but that but that doesn't mean we start

saying oh yeah we like the CIA because

there's a few individuals I'm not saying

I like to oppose it as a social

phenomenon I don't think like I'm

personally against Baristas as a social

Mass period okay well I'm not Against

Racism social Mass because I think

people want coffee

and I don't think social assistance well

people also want people also want blow

jobs people also want blow jobs the

logic doesn't right but I don't think uh

logic doesn't add up in between logic as

far as people it's because people want

something doesn't justify the existence

of the thing

not necessarily but I think on a social

level I think it's going to be pretty

hard to convince people to support the

wholesale abolition of things like

I think it'll be easy I think it'll be

easy because the the slogan is free time

shout out jehu retime it's a slogan free

time

free time

free time for the working class that's

what we want free time free time

get rid of you want to get free time get

rid of the service industry then you get

free time beautiful

service industry only exists because

nobody has free time we have to go out

and get food because you can't cook your

own meals because there's no free time

you got to go have people serve you

things instead of being served in your

own fucking home because there's no free

time no wife at the home to take care of

the kids no free time there's no free

time for anyone to fucking do anything

and that created the service industry

because the eight hour work day sucking

out our day sucking out our energy

creating whole Industries based on

keeping us domesticated sheep who are

just always going to be

institutionalized and forced to do what

authorities tell us to do that's why the

whole fucking thing exists not because

it produces circles value because the

government needs to fucking keep

everyone like fucking cheap

like it's the fucking Matrix that's why

I fucking exists and I'm against it

wholeheartedly completely unequivocally

uncompromisingly and uh in

you I cannot be bribed simple as that

well it sounds like you're making it to

be like the conspiratorial thing that

you try to say that I was doing before

but it's actually well maybe the

government is just trying to keep

everyone in check

because when you think about it they

don't produce any value

they don't produce any circles value

either States still exists we still have

an eight-hour workday why I don't know

keeps everyone fucking demoralized and

unawake

imagine how what people could do with

free time if they weren't so why does

everyone hate their life and why does

everyone hate their fucking job and if

so what a fucking miserable soulless

fucking economy we have everyone's so

unhappy it's such a depressing dreary

environment atmosphere and people are

just demoralized and the pedophiles are

raping children and nobody can do

anything Balenciaga is in power they're

sacrificing children everyone's too

fucking miserable and demoralized to

give a fuck about their depopulation

agenda where they're gonna and that's

what they that's how they want us they

want to keep the people demoralized

that's why they don't fucking want to

give the railway workers uh meager few

more days off the fucking year because I

just want people to be so fucking

demoralized that you don't even have the

fucking

energy or the grit to fucking stand up

for yourself let alone for the rest of

the fucking people and for our fucking

children and but I think so you don't

you're starting to go after the children

and that's really poking the Bees hive

so we'll see

well I agree I think targeting of

children is disgusting that's one of the

reasons why basically wholesale renounce

the left uh because it's a normalization

of pedophilia honestly but

um

in terms of Starbucks workers

um

I don't even you said something but I

forgot what I was gonna say Baristas are

bad people and they're going to hell

that's my final word

well I don't think they're that bad I

think some of them are decent I think my

I think Starbucks fire I'll fire

everything that's my advice to Starbucks

fire everything fire em all

fire all of them

so you don't think one of Starbucks

Elon Musk fired the Twitter employees I

love that I'm sorry well I agree I agree

with that I supported that honestly but

I'm saying when so when a Starbucks

organizes a union and you say Starbucks

shuts it down don't you think that's a

demoralization tactic no because I think

having to work at Starbucks is a

demoralization tactic

I think being a wearing a fucking green

apron

is a fucking demoralization tactic what

if they had a union where they could

organize to not wear such fucking lame

uniforms they will never because it'll

defeat the purpose of Starbucks

completely

you know I think probably some Starbucks

people don't give a shit about the

uniforms that they wear like that's not

really like a hole Yeah they want the

extra no they do want they want the

experience of going in and it's just

like what they see on TV and it's

Starbucks and it's just like Disney

World it's the same shit I mean honestly

my job gives me a nice uniform I love my

uniform all right we get it you're

SpongeBob I'm ready I'm ready

people sometimes like the unicorns they

were mine is stylish and fresh

okay well Starbucks is not though I

think there's a way you can make it like

that I just don't think a grown man

should have to wear a uniform except for

like uh a hazardous like not that's not

even a uniform that's just like a jumper

suit like you know if you're like you

need to protect yourself but to have to

wear a uniform it's just kind of

demeaning in a lot of ways what about

military like the great respectable

military uniforms of the Soviet and

Chinese armies that's a fucking Army

that's different

yeah but I don't think a uniform is

necessarily bad I think what the uniform

is is much worse

a uniform based on a uniform based on

giving people fucking french fries is

pretty demeaning

I don't think it has to be is it the is

it the

is it the actual like

specifications of the uniform that makes

it degrading or is just any uniform that

they wear ever will always be degrading

a grown man shouldn't have to wear a

fucking uniform unless they're unless

they're in the Army okay or unless

they're doing public service

I don't know like what about like a

plumber or something plumbers where

would they wear as a utility

I'm just not against uniforms

if they're not disturbingly embarrassing

okay

but I guess I don't know that makes me a

narc or whatever

it kind of does honestly all right well

I just know if I was your co-worker you

would tell on me guaranteed

I don't I haven't told on anyone yeah

because you've never worked because

you've never worked with someone like me

that's why

I don't I don't snitch on my car I've

seen I mean I haven't

I call people smoking Vapes before I

smoke Vapes ah that is nothing okay that

is nothing what am I gonna snitch on

them for

horrible things

no

horrible things okay I mean you would

not

he said I get it you all are good people

you know you're vaping on the low

that's so naughty

you know that's

I mean if that's what you think

if that's what you think

I mean okay

you just never work with a real Hustler

that's the problem

why what what would you do in the

workplace that would that's some normal

shit because you were just saying some

knocks you know honestly how's that narc

shit because it's like don't ask any

questions simple as that

it's like something what do you mean

it's like you're getting a little too

inquisitive that's what I'm saying it's

just it's a lot of inquisitive questions

and shit it's like chill man it's not

your business so chill right

good but I just feel like if you saw

some shit you would you know you would

definitely tell on me

to the manager and I would get fired and

I've it's okay I've worked with people

like you before y'all love your job

SpongeBob SquarePants

and well I love mine you guys are always

ready you all always you're always ready

okay you're always ready

you're always ready to observe what your

co-workers are doing even though it has

nothing to do with you it don't concern

you but you just love following the

rules I mean it kind of does that

sometimes they don't it really don't

it really don't it definitely can I

don't think most people like you know

like like there's like like the

co-workers who snitch on other

co-workers well this person's not really

working hard enough what has that got to

do with you

you don't even work on the same cash

register as me

and you're saying oh this person's being

lazy we don't have any customers right

now what the fuck you want

they're they're socializing too much and

there's no customers

you envious bitter bitch

working at the bar she's looking across

at me

and uh snitching on me

because when nobody because when what

because nothing nothing that has to do

with her she's on the other side of the

whole fucking building

but it concerned her because the whole

world's got to look right for her she's

gotta fuck up my shit fuck up my but you

know what that's not even the way most

conservative Americans like view labor

like they do laborers like they don't

see this bullshit as labor most

conservative Americans don't see this

dumbbell shit as labor okay

that's why they voted for President

Trump

because they wanted real jobs back not

fucking dumb fucking stupid jobs that

are fucking pointless you don't know

those Trump voters support the people

quitting their jobs so they can go get

unemployment pandemic checks honestly

the conservative Americans are against

that shit and conservative American

Value Hardware not really I've seen it's

not it's not as clear-cut as you think

it'd be to be honest a lot of the time

these the the new Maga movement is the

gig workers who quit their jobs and are

trying to make crypto and shit that's a

new thing that's a big honestly and in

my experience and I've worked I've

worked over eight different jobs in

different Industries in my experience

the people who value hard work are more

conservative minded Americans who are

the kind of but you just admitted it's

in the service industry no that's not

good that don't mean they're

conservative it just means they're narcs

is not a conservative your business what

I'm doing it's not your business

is not a cons dude a

narcos a narc is not a conservative okay

a narc is not a conservative period

just because you care about people

performing equal labor to you in a

workplace doesn't mean you're narking on

yes it does mean you're fucking knocking

on them because there's some people who

just want to just do their job that's it

they just come in and they got to make

it and they gotta do their job but also

more work they gotta they gotta they

gotta work on other people's job too

right yeah complete knock shit bro bro

do you just suck dick in the back room

for the fucking boss I don't get this

shit man it's like

why don't you just focus on your own

much I don't think you're actually

really in touch with conservative

Americans want despite acting you don't

know you no you're talking dude you're

talking about you're talking about what

you're talking about hard work dude shut

the fuck up retard NPC talking about

retard you're talking about fuck off

talking about bitter Boomers working in

the service industry that's not the

conservative working class at all no I'm

not talking about anyone working okay

the conservative working class do not

respect these jobs in the first place

the conservative working class doesn't

value bullshit jobs in the first place

period the conservative worker really

doesn't give a fuck about Dunkin Donuts

or Baristas in fact they don't want to

work those jobs they don't want to work

those jobs and they don't respect those

jobs

so there's no conservative Americans who

work at Dunkin Donuts there are like

for the exception there's exceptions

it's not the norm though

most of the people who work at Dunkin

Donuts are apolitical when we're talking

about the Maga communism or the sorry

the Maga industrial working class that

voted for Trump sold out for Trump

that's a real like political demographic

random people working at Dunkin Donuts

I'm not against them but like that's not

the same as the Mago Working Class

People eat at Burger King they eat at

McDonald's so when Tucker Carlson does

an anti-work segment and the anti-work

segment is the focus of people don't

want to work at Burger King anymore

conservatives they actually do care

about these things they don't view what

a silly fucking thing just because

conservative dude you're it's like a

living parody conservative conservatives

conservatives dude you're a fucking narc

hiding behind the fucking conservatives

working class you fucking narc bitch

could somebody fucking work it

conservatives go eat at Burger King

conservatives don't fucking eat at

Burger King so your your logic is that a

Burger King snitch snark

this is the type of warped convoluted

fucking logic I would expect of a

typical leftist so because fucking

workers go to fucking Burger King to eat

that means they give a shit and they

they respect your narc bitch Behavior at

your workplace so you think they they

respect your narc bitch Behavior at your

fucking workplace no you think dude dude

I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Working

Class People I'm pretty sure working

class people would rather slash their

work day in half and have the time to

barbecue their own fucking Burgers then

maintain the fucking service industry

just because they like Burger King I'm

pretty sure they'd rather have their

free time to do things themselves

started you're making and then maybe if

they like if you like Burger King so

much above and beyond dude do you care

about Starbucks so they don't care about

the service industry they don't there

are other Asperger's institutions

you're missing the fucking point they

don't respect that form of work I'm not

fucking saying this just because they

don't fucking go to Starbucks to drink

coffee I'm fucking saying it because

they don't respect this as a dignified

way of living or earning your keep they

don't fucking see it as real work or

real fucking labor it's not just because

they don't fucking drink Starbucks

coffees you fucking dense fucking idiot

for four hours I'm trying to fucking

explain fucking things to you you're so

fucking stupid you just run your mouth

and you go on tangents interrupting me

on the basis of complete ignorance of

the topic at hand you fucking idiot

is here you think you're gonna fucking

appeal to conservative Americans by

sympathizing with people who quit their

jobs to get paid yes I I am already

bitch

gotta feel the fucking conservatives are

now bitch the people who quit their jobs

are becoming red pill conservatives and

mass those little fucking people who are

fuck yes it's the same fucking people

who actually are becoming Maga people

you fucking idiot those people are

becoming Maga the people dude you're a

fucking idiot you don't know anything

have you ever talked to anyone in your

whole fucking life if you'd interrupt me

one more time interrupt me again Retard

Retard I'm gonna fucking mute you like a

squealing bitch Pig who can't shut their

fucking mouth let me get this in you

talk to a ordinary fucking person yeah

I'm muting this I'm using it I'm gonna

say slurs I'm saying slurs I'm saying

slurs I fucking muted this fucking

retard this stupid squealing

bad

fuck that's what I wanted to say okay

the the basic Consciousness

corresponding to these people quitting

their fucking service industry jobs and

doing hustles and grind set is basically

and you it's even a stereotype

culturally that when you're working at a

service and job you're a sheep who's in

the blue pill Matrix and you're

brainwashed by the media and you're

brainwashed by the society whatever so

when you quit your job and you become

more independent you're taking the red

pill and you're like that's when you're

more like oh Trump is based Traditional

Values based like these are actually the

new conservatives the new this is the

successor of the Maga working class from

2016. the mango working class of 2016

doesn't care about the service industry

this new one that came from the service

industry is rapidly taking the red pill

that is the conservative fucking working

class your Boomer some Boomer guy who

wears a bow tie who works at your

fucking service industry job and like

loves their job that's just a weirdo and

yeah he may be more conservative that

guy would have voted for George W bush

he doesn't represent the actual Maga

working class you fucking idiot that was

my point now you're getting unmuted

because you can't fucking control

yourself

how can I not control myself because you

kept assuming that I'm only saying this

because those people don't fucking shop

at Starbucks that wasn't my point

I'm saying conservative workers care

about

work ethic

yeah they do

but they don't consider these service

industry jobs to be real forms of work

well so then why is Tucker Carlson run a

segment on anti-work and the people

supporting because in their mind in

their mind these because when they hear

anti-work for them is the work that

they're used to so they think of people

who are too fucking lazy to pick up a

wrench they're not really think of

thinking of they're thinking of people

like oh your job at McDonald's and

Starbucks is so fucking easy it's just

like a piss easy job why are you going

on the internet to complain about it

they're not you know that's the whole

point too I'm not saying people should

go and complain about their fucking jobs

you are you're the one who wants people

to unionize not me if I'm saying at work

don't be a fucking narc bitch on a

personal level don't be a narc bitch

that's not the same fucking thing is

going on Taco Carlson that means you you

you mind your own fucking business if

you see me not working as hard as you

suck my dick and mind your own fucking

business that doesn't mean I'm going on

fucking Taco Carlson I'm going on Reddit

it means stay in your own fucking Lane

you narc bitch and mind your own fucking

business I hate people like you I hate

people like you I fucking hate Knox like

you

you are a fuck you are a cock sucker you

are a cock sucker for free you are a

real life Jenny you are a cock sucker

for free snitching on your fucking

co-workers for shit that don't concern

you it don't even concern you it don't

even concern you stay in your own

fucking Lane mind your own business the

well-being of the Enterprise and the

institution that'll fucking pay you for

that shit they pay you a fucking wage to

do your fucking job so you do it and you

take care of yourself don't worry about

what other fucking people do it doesn't

fucking concern you you narc bitch that

has nothing to do with the conservative

working class stop hiding behind them

they don't fucking care about you they

don't care about any of this fucking

shit Tucker Carlson has nothing to

fucking do with it so shut the fuck up

about it

because it's not a social Affair it's

not about social Affair when you see

someone who is lazy according to you at

work that's your personal opinion go

suck a dick about it it's not your

business just because Taco Carlson's

audience is not receptive to anti-work

people trying to make us social Affair

that they don't want to go work at

Wendy's yeah they don't care about that

they're not going to sympathize that's

not the same thing as you going out of

your fucking way to be a narc bitch at

work because you feel that people are

too lazy you are fucking Karen and I

Spit on Your Grave and I want you to go

to hell and burn

doesn't become a problem for another

worker ever when someone else doesn't do

their fucking job

no it doesn't become a fucking problem

for a fucking word no it doesn't become

a fucking problem for a fucking worker

when you some you someone is mining

their own fucking business and doing

something you don't fucking approve of

just because you feel you're being

robbed of your your fucking hard work

because they're not working as hard on

them to have a conversation with them

dude about hey dude you you are the

biggest narc on Earth you are a fuck you

are the worst I don't give a fuck you

are a good stop you are a fucking dude

you're a Hitler socialist Hitler

socialist ice you're an Auschwitz guard

you're a Hitler socialist Auschwitz

guard Hitler socialist Auschwitz guard

that's what you are dude yeah for sure

because you're guarding the you're

guarding them in this fucking torture

prison of fucking you're the guard

you're a little fucking narc I'm gonna

make sure make sure people are saying

what the boss wants

that's what you fucking sound like you

are fucking narc dude

you're a fucking retard

you are a couple dude you are a capital

of the fucking workplace that's what you

are how is holding someone accountable

mean you're knocking what do you mean

what do you get paid for that do you get

paid for that do you get paid for that

bruh do you get paid for that holding

them accountable for what holding them

accountable for what are you God are you

God are you judging

you don't want service industry workers

to organize unions but you want them to

go out and get a bag but you don't want

them to do things that will help them

get promoted

no no cause you're trying to get

promoted and trying to climb the career

of being a service worker is what a

fucking loser first of all second of all

if that makes you a narc bitch you are

my personal enemy and I fucking hate you

if that turns you into a narco bitch

you're my personal enemy and I fucking

hate you personally you bitch it's not

even any of your fucking business dude

you've never done shit for the Working

Class People will rather get promoted

you want to be enemy of the working

class you are literally the Nazi Capital

fucking guard of the capitalist you are

literally a fascist black shirt enforcer

of the capitalist Iron Will beating the

working class if they don't fucking

conform behaviorally to the will of the

fucking Enterprise in the fucking

workplace you fucking black shirt

you are a fucking Hitler right brown

shirt black shirt dude you are a Hitler

right Adolf Hitler black shirt brown

shirt espresso gestapo motherfucker who

is literally beating down fucking

co-workers for shit that has nothing to

do with you just because you're a

SpongeBob narc bitch snitch no you are

the worst person in the world I fucking

hate you experience because other

co-workers will complain about shit like

this

why if it doesn't concern them why

complain because at the end of the day a

worker has to fucking do certain things

to keep their job otherwise why is it

the code why does the co-worker enforce

anything why is the co-worker enforcing

shit if it don't concern them more

responsibility because someone will do

their job

so if if it does concern them in fact

and I have to work harder because this

person is slacking that's one thing

right but if someone is slacking and I'm

working hard for no fucking reason just

because I want to work hard fuck you

bitch you're a spun you're a narc that's

what you fucking are yeah and I know for

a fact and don't sit here and tell me

that narcs are doing it because I have

to work harder because this person's

slacking off that's not fucking true

every narc that I fucking encountered it

had nothing to do with them at all and

they still were a fucking narc snitch

bitch just like you left this leftists

are literally knocks that's always narc

Theory we're done it's that's it all

leftists are just knocks narc psychology

teachers pet psychology narc psychology

bitch psychology Capital psychology

that's what you are that's why you're a

leftist that's why you call yourself a

socialist because you want to be the

narc for all of society you want to

manage your realize all of society just

like you manage your realize and be a

free Janny at your fucking workplace I

will be a libertarian

libertarian who breaks down any

semblance of your fucking Hitler

socialism wherever I fucking see it

because managerialism cease to exist in

China and it cease to existence China is

a proletarian dictatorship until we have

that suck a dick

dictatorship you're a cocksucker for a

fascist fucking CIA dictatorship you

bitch don't try to fucking dude you're

such a cocksucker dude dude you're such

a cocksucker that you literally LARP

China's society and capitalist America

so whenever you go and fucking like

snitch on people you're like oh this is

like what they do in China you're not

living in China bitch you live in

fucking America dude you're it's the

epitome of cope you're like a cock

sucker you're like a prostitute

cocksucker who's like oh this is just

like if I was doing it for my boyfriend

no it's not you're sucking a man's cock

who paid you

it's not just like you're you're just

you're just LARPing that it's your

boyfriend to cope with it but it's not

you're lopping that you're living in

China but you're not to justify your

legs bitch knock Behavior

you are LARPing as if you're living in

China you're not living in China you're

not living in China you're not living in

China I live in China that's fucking

retarded okay so stop saying oh in China

they don't have managers shut the fuck

up it's a completely different neither

in the USSR or the Chinese Revolution

it's a completely different that's a

society is the difference those are

societies shut the fuck cocksucker cock

sucker shut up cocksucker shut up fuck

you those societies wiped everything

from scratch and built up completely new

fucking societies based on an Iron Will

of a people's proletarian dictatorship

don't fucking sit here and try to

compare that to fucking America there's

no comparison at all so shut the fuck up

about it

there it's like when you are working in

the Soviet Union or you're working in

China you are working materialism will

not cease to exist after whatever

communism you are making managerialism a

fucking abstract

he's muted cocksucker's muted hey in the

Soviet Union in China there's no

abstraction of managerialism if there

was a managerial culture in the Soviet

Union in China it is within the context

of serving completely different ends in

a completely different environment and a

different completely different context

where work had a completely different

goal namely the goal for the common

prosperity of the people work in the in

America only has the goal of fucking

serving some private person that's the

fucking difference so when you're

justifying your bitch snitch knock

fucking behavior in America he goes

we're in the Soviet Union in China it

was also managerialism that's no that's

such a stupid fucking point to make

because we're not talking about some

abstraction of managerialism we are

talking about the structural and

Institute hegemony

of the ruling class which you are

enforcing with your bitch snitch narc

Behavior you can't fight that's like

you're like an anarchist who's trying to

fucking compare well the Soviet Union

had jails yeah jails for who jails in

what context jails on behalf of what

power same thing with managerialism

managers for What on behalf of what

power under what context there's no

fucking comparison you are a snitch

bitch you are a cock sucker because you

don't have the balls to stand up for

yourself you are a natural-born sheep

your goal in life is to serve other men

no matter the context even if we were

living in Hitler's Germany you would

Gaslight yourself into

justifying how you derive this pleasure

from being a fucking Janny for free

because it just makes you feel good to

feel like you're complying with

authority and complying with bosses Marx

hated lick spittles

and in his personal interview claimed in

his personal confession that the worst

attribute in a man is servility and

that's the attribute that characterizes

you the most you are servile

you are the most

bitch made fucking person who's ever

come onto my show

now you're unmuted

I can barely hear anything you said I

don't give a fuck because at least the

audience could hear it without your

fucking pig squealing narc bitch ass

interrupting suck a dick you fucking

pussy you're the cock sucker here dude

you excited dick for free

you are a cock sucker for free you are a

fucking cocksucker for free

you are a cock sucker for free you're a

typical narc bitch and your co-workers

fucking hate you even I hate you just

talking no my workers like me because

actually that's what they tell you your

face that's what they tell you to your

face I promise I promise when they're

smoking crack in the back rooms they're

talking so much shit about your little

black ass workers are smoking crack in

the back room it don't matter what

they're fucking doing they don't like us

they don't like your bitch ass they

don't like your business

yeah guess what guess what your

co-workers fucking hate you I promise

nice projection they don't invite you to

any of their parties they have parties

and shit they have party wild ass

parties dude they're doing wildes but

smoking lines off of fucking smoking

lines off of ass cracks and shit bruh

they don't invite you to any of that

shit I promise

bro they don't invite you I promise they

don't

they're like

why would I why would I want to go to

their parties if they had them in the

first dude you are a narc because you're

the narc they smile in your presence

they smile in your presence because they

see you as a CCTV dude you are a living

CCTV camera no most of them want they

just work hard because that's CCTV

camera dude that's what they do you're

not working hard by fiddling balls at a

retail store don't fucking flatter

yourself you're not like a lumberjack

chopping down trees working hard forget

it the only labor that you value is

fucking like Lumberjacks and and coal I

only value physical labor you're right I

don't fucking value yeah I don't fucking

say oh I'm I love working hard at

fucking you know Hallmark the Hallmark

store and fucking walking around putting

you know carrying teddy bears around man

some people well guess what you know

what if you like that work if you like

that work you're not gonna make it we're

not staking you into the future sorry

those people are nice usually yeah

you're they're not just like dude dude

we get it you're an arc we get it okay

are you gonna go into another rant a

crazy tangent no dude we all know you're

gonna be held accountable

yeah

dude you're such a leftist this is

literally what left us every every like

you wanted to know where the synthetic

left came from you you your psychology

is the synthetic life Starbucks

accountable for the labor you what do

you support you I support uh space

cambodians and Mecca Paul pods that's

what I suppose yeah

you are the synthetic left you want to

know what a synthetic like you're one of

the synthetic left came from your

archetypal your archetypal narc

psychology is the origin of the American

left

and not a bunch of hyper online your

archetypal narc psychology is the origin

yours you are the leftist you report

people on Twitch and Twitter you are

fucking Janny for free you are the one

who complains that you want more

censorship you are the fucking one who

complains shit is not more inclusive

enough you are the fucking person who

goes around trying to make shit that's

none of your fucking business you are

the fucking person that wants to fucking

control people you are the fucking

person that wants to keep people online

you are Hitler you are Adolf Hitler you

are fucking Mussolini you are Joseph

Gables you are earnest ROM you are

fucking Franco you are fucking Hitler

socialism you are fucking Mussolini

fucking socialism you are goddamn

fucking every fucking Nazi Hitler

fascist Mussolini fuck in history that

is you

you are a black shirt you are a black

shirt you are a brown shirt that's you

okay

I didn't realize that black shirts

typically supported like Barista unions

but

yet they were

they were and you have a new name

okay

and you have a new name

and how's Mecca Pol Pot going to relate

to the American working class

it's not going to relate it's only going

to relate to the most advanced class

conscious segments which are the people

who are my audience gig workers Mecca

workers independent contractors those

people fucking watch me you know that

you know that and those people

understand all those references

obviously the mass of American workers

won't but guess what the real world

reference of what year zero means and

fucking Robo Paul Potts they don't have

to know what that combination of words

specifically but the reference this idea

that we're gonna wipe the fucking Urban

fucking parasitical fucking managerial

class and it's it's dictatorship on the

American people and we're gonna free

people to do the things and their free

time that they wanted we're going to

give people real economic Liberty and

shit they would love that they would

they might they not they might know all

the fucking in in community terms we

fucking use to describe that shit but

when we actually spell it out to them

and actually actualize these memes and

like tell them what it actually fucking

means they fucking love it and they're

fully on board and those are the people

that watch infrared and join us at rapid

numbers rapid numbers you are a narc

bitch you are the enemy of the workers

you are a black shirt Mussolini

socialist Adolf Hitler socialist

all right well

I really wish you luck in doing anything

with socialism

that isn't just saying things like Mega

pull pot to a bunch of hyper online 18

year olds you are the hyper online one

your brain is a CCTV camera connected to

The 8G network of fucking Adolf Hitler

narcs worldwide and in the country

specifically you are tied to the

Institute the hive mind institutions of

the American fucking ruling class which

for some reason compel you to be a

fucking Robo Janny for free we are

overly online guess what we're answering

into the fucking fourth Industrial

Revolution and you may like to you may

enjoy the petty personal dictatorship

that you have being a fucking manager at

your workplace the internet is

destroying your fucking Dominion your

tyranny is coming to an end the gig

economy will devastate you and every

Petty dictatorial fucking sense of power

you've ever fucking derived from being a

manager all that is going to be fucking

collapsed and all you will do is eat

shit with zero followers and zero

workers will just run themselves and

come onions like anarchists like

no communes are cringe actually communes

are actually cringe yeah it's just going

to be all self-managed there's no

workers who have more understanding of

the world no it's going to be a fucking

Revolution it's going to be a revolution

in the fucking productive forces and

people are going to be able to have

fucking families again living normal

fucking lives should lead managerial

positions that's not gonna happen yeah

you managers there's too many of you

managers you know that there's too many

of you fucking man what are you managing

even nothing get the fuck out of here

you fucking loser labor yeah exactly

you're a fucking herdsman what are you

what are you fucking managing at this

point you're just your point you know

you know you have no contribution to the

world

Adolf Adolf

you have zero contribution to the world

none there's nothing you contribute to

humanity

if the store you worked at got bulldozed

if the story you worked at got bulldozed

it no it would make no one unhappy

except the boss no one if I got

bulldozed at least 100 people would cry

if the story worked at bulldoze would

probably have more social impact than

any shutdown of any of your servers or

twitch streams or YouTube no actually I

feel like a lot of people no actually

actually like 500 people would become

depressed and I would have more of a

social impact

closes locally more people care about

that than they'll ever care about it

nobody no dude you live in your own

fantasy world that you think oh you're

too online you live in an offline

fantasy dictatorship or you're Adolf

Hitler for a fucking fucking store and

you like feel like you have all this

power Because the Internet hasn't

fucking disrupted you yet it will it

will it will I don't feel like I would

support if my if the workers in my place

wanted to organize a union

but you don't support service worker

unions yeah you would be the manager

who's hurting them into it's all about

control for you you ever know how to

organize it I haven't organized dude

you're the manager you're always the

manager

you're the manager what's wrong with

managers

dude you think workers are just going to

do this anarchistic self-governance

thing where everyone's just equal and

has the same knowledge of how this how

the operations work in this industry

dude again you're you're doing what I

exactly um already rebuked you for which

is assuming managerialism is an

abstraction when you're actually a

fucking manager not only in the context

of American capitalism but in the

fucking context of a useless service

industry parasitical fucking uh economic

formation yeah I get it people are just

either they're not supposed to try to

advance in that industry or the only

thing they can do is just quit those are

the only two things if you're a man and

your goal in life is to advance your

SpongeBob SquarePants I can't respect

you I'm sorry

dude go get your hustle up I don't know

what the fuck to tell you what excuse do

you what does that even mean what does

get your if you have the time to sit

here and debate me for four hours

couldn't you have spent that like

learning a trade or something think

about it I can't really respect people

in a trade I I live dude I can't really

respect your like way of life I'm sorry

I just can't

why would I need you to respect my way

of life man because it's like you're not

some like victim of this you're not a

victim of the system you're just a

fucking loser with a power trip because

you're gonna be a victim of a sister

you're just a fucking loser with a power

trip because you know if you weren't a

fucking manager at that store you would

have no problem you have no power

anywhere else

you're not a warlord you're

the you're the um you think you're a

warlord I am a fucking warlord bitch if

I told if I told my audience that I'm

gonna get some fucking dirt bikes and

we're all we're gonna just fucking

invade America at least 50 people would

be behind me at least 50. I guarantee at

least 50. I said we're gonna we're all

gonna get if I said if I if I said we're

all gonna fucking get on dirt bikes and

we're just gonna ride in and Conquer

America and just see what happens go on

a big trip where we go across the entire

fucking country on dirt bikes and we're

the new Mongols at least 50 people will

join me at least I am a fucking warlord

bitch

well you'd probably fail like miserably

honestly yeah well at least but here's

the difference people respect me they

don't see me and you people respect me

enough at least 50 people would join me

the only reason anyone gives you the

veneer of respect is because you were

appointed that role at your fucking

stupid job and they have to to fucking

keep their job that's the only that's

the fucking difference between you and

me

the other differences I earned the

position because I actually have an

understanding of how the uh you earned

being a narc no no you earned it because

you cared no one else gives a fuck about

that job no one does

absolutely congrats dude this is this is

these are the fucking dude these are the

pat sock Dems why is every Pat sock damn

a fucking manager why is every Pat sock

Dem a fucking narc and they're calling

this I'm the working class no you're not

the working class hates you

you are the people at the workplace

everyone hates I hope you know that

everyone sounds like a projection but

it's good to know everyone no no

everyone thought everyone has always

thought I was so funny and relatable and

fun to be around and fun to talk to and

in general just the most fun guy I'm the

fun guy who makes it fun to go to work

because I'm always making people laugh

and I'm always talking I'm always

talking shit about people like you at

the workplace actually I make fun of you

I'm the one who makes fun of you dude

and I even do it to your face and you

don't even notice because you're an

idiot

no we don't care if you give me five

because first of all people like you

aren't the people who make Society run

people like SpongeBob no it's you you

make Society run no SpongeBob

SquarePants doesn't make anything run

SpongeBob SquarePants is a DOT SpongeBob

SquarePants SpongeBob SquarePants

SpongeBob SquarePants is a fucking dog

who just is a bitch and a cock sucker

that's what SpongeBob Squarepants no no

the people who make no Mr Krabs

it makes people happy every day

Squidward doesn't do anything and what

does he give for it nothing SpongeBob is

a bitch SpongeBob is a bitch if anything

Mr Krabs is the real G if any I can

respect Mr Kraft I just can't respect

his little bitch SpongeBob if anything

Mr Krabs is the real Jeep but here's the

thing here's the thing here's the thing

the SpongeBobs don't fucking make

Society run stop making it seem like

you're like a staccana bite for what

you're stuck you're still you're you're

the you're the stakonov of American

strip balls that's what you fucking are

you a LARP is like this stalinous

stakonovite strong hard-working guy

working at a fucking strip mall in the

middle of a fucking Suburban random

fucking place and you think you're like

you represent the productive workers of

America shut the fuck up bitch

you're a fucking manager at a fucking

retail store you're a fucking manager at

our retail store shut the fuck up

that shit that they want yeah you give

people to come dude you're just you're

trying to make your life me do I hate

people like you I only respect the

service workers who do it because they

have to but the people like you who

create these narratives in their head to

like hate people you make it seem like

your work is Meaningful and it's not

you're not you don't have a meaningful

job you don't have a meaningful job you

don't have a meaningful job you don't

matter meaningful job don't you think

that's subjective I find meaning in it

lots of our customers okay that's why

the working class hates you because the

majority of the working class doesn't

find those kinds of jobs meaningful and

they hate them

plenty of people do well the majority

yeah you're the you're the Nazi black

shirt snitch capos of course of course

the minority of traders to the working

class love their jobs like SpongeBob

SquarePants the majority fucking hate

you I promise

no I don't think so okay okay you don't

think so

no because you have never gotten clocked

in the face for being the person you are

and you know what

that surprises me

you don't even know the person a

co-worker has never a co-worker has

never clocked you in the fucking face

wow after hours for what because you are

such a narc bitch that's why

for asking them to do something dude you

know what one day I just want you to

know this one day you're just gonna run

into the wrong one

and you're gonna be at work and you're

gonna be like snitching on your

co-worker he's gonna notice that and

he's just doing this as a temporary

hustle just for like you know maybe a

few months and then you're gonna go out

back taking out the garbage one day and

a fucking van is going to come of some

real Street motherfuckers and you're

gonna get fucking kidnapped good luck

sounds like the most craziest retarded

hypothetical no I promise you don't you

you don't okay you don't know the hatred

you invoke in people you just don't

really yeah I promise

I promise you don't I promise you don't

I I promise you don't

no I think people like working with me

but I'm glad I don't I don't I don't

well

I don't dude you at least police at

least cops at least cops are paid at

least cops are paid what's your excuse

just love sucking dick

I get paid yeah you don't get paid to be

a fucking dick sucker though

I just get paid to manage people doing

their jobs yeah you get paid to be a

manager because people should just

you're admit you're so productive you're

you're a productive laborer you manage

the retail store to make sure people do

the UNS like pointless unproductive

bullshit job and make sure that the

store can operate you make sure the

corporate you you secure the study you

secure the fucking stock earnings of the

Board of Trustees of whatever fucking

retail chain you work at clap for this

guy dude he's such a hero this is a hero

this is a hero of society well you're a

fucking hero dude you heard the Sheep to

fucking do the thing that reunion the

way that an American dude you you you

protect you protect the fake Financial

American economy you protect the veneer

of that making sure it doesn't collapse

you're such a hero dude you're a hero

and how's that

you're a hero I called you a hero you're

such a hero no I'm saying how do I

protect the finance economy

oh because you're just like you you

ensure the smooth operation even Beyond

what's necessary of your um

your your workplace

yeah value hard work no you don't value

hard work you just value being a cock

sucker no I this is like what a damn hoe

this is like this is like when a fucking

hoe is like oh I'm going to work and she

ties her hair back starts sucking dick

I'm working you're not working you're a

hoe you a hoe you don't know what work

is that's not work that's not going to

work you're just a hoe you're just a hoe

you're just a hoe yeah you just you are

a fucking hole you're a fucking hoe

you're a fucking hoe you a whole bag you

a whole bag

you're a damn whole bag you a whole bag

you a whole bag okay you don't know what

work is you a fucking hoe bag you don't

know what work is

on Twitter

you a hoe you a hoe tell some people to

empty the trash hoe that's what you are

you're just a hoe you're not a hard

worker okay taking your finger taking

your finger taking your finger hey hey

using your finger Hey listen listen

using your finger using your finger to

like point at people like hey you yeah

that's not hard work you fucking finger

waving bitch it's not hard work you

finger waving bitch that ain't hard work

you're not a hobby would that be the

only thing I do you're fucking retarded

you're a finger waving finger wagging

you're a finger the finger I hope I

don't have a slur here the finger

wagging the finger wagging hag thank you

so much

finger wagging hag so you're against

workers being told to take out garbage

I'm just against people like you who

LARP is like working class conservative

workers when what you actually do is wag

your fingers at people to do menial

bullshit that has no fucking no

significance as far as defining

sociologically with a conservative

working class will ever be thought of as

well I'm saying that conservatives value

hard work yeah but they don't value they

don't value dumb bullshit jobs so you

get in quite of a conundrum aren't you

I mean like lots of conservatives shop

like at various places it doesn't mean

they value because

form of work for themselves as something

dignified that's why they voted Trump

because they don't want that they want

to keep the fucking real jobs that they

have managed to keep since even even in

spite of NAFTA and all that shit

yeah I mean a lot of them want those

jobs they want manufacturing jobs back

okay you know what you've given me

everything I wanted here it's like you

came here to defend a Starbucks Union

and you just like outed yourself as the

biggest fucking narc in the world and

then now you can see where these people

stand in relation to the working class

I've rest like I've made my case it's so

fucking simple now like you are the nine

to five watch you're the Watchdog for

the nine to fives everyone you're like

I'm like everyone hates nine to fives

you know like well some people like it

it's fulfilling for some people it's

like dude you don't know how much you're

hated you don't know you're not a friend

of the working class the basis of hatred

is the nine to five or the fucking work

itself why don't you just reduce the

hours why don't you just fucking realize

these are dumb why don't you just

realize these are dumb bullshit jobs no

one wants to fucking yard if you want to

fucking do your the job you do then we

will wipe the economy the industrial the

fucking financial sector and Destroy

fucking Wall Street whatever

corporations and then in your spare time

and for free you can fucking use your

time and your resources to prop up

whatever stupid fucking form of menial

activity you've taken pride in and you

go fucking do it and fuck off from

everyone else stop forcing people to as

a fucking manager fucking blackmailing

people to do shit they don't fucking

want to do you bitch you do it in your

fucking spare time if you love it so

much you do it in your free time bitch

don't fucking hold Society Hostage to

your dumb menial retarded fucking stupid

idea of what real work is which it's not

by the way

you're the one who's fucking holding

Society hostage because you don't want

people to perform this labor at all no I

am speaking for the majority of society

I'm speaking for the majority of society

yeah my sentiment is reflected better in

the majority of fucking Working Class

People

and there's no way most working-class

people don't really give a shit if they

don't they're not asking for Starbucks

to not exist yeah yeah but what they are

asking for is re-industrialization a

return to dignified work and what they

don't know what they want yet is

actually free time

uh

so why can't Starbucks workers work a

13-hour work week because the existence

of Starbucks is predicated upon

the financialization of the fucking

economy in the fucking first place you

fucking retard

okay so why can't Baristas just work a

15-hour work week who don't work for a

job why don't Baristas go be Baristas on

their own free time instead of trying to

institutionalize it why does it have to

be institutionalized

you know the blue Surplus value so it's

not like it's a real capitalist

institution dictated by the market why

does it have to be institutionalized

along traditional capitalist lines Why

can't someone just fucking go in their

backyard and just serve coffee out their

ass crack in a fucking mug and fart just

produce a fucking sprinkle Fountain of

fucking coffee in people's mouths I

don't want it like that why would anyone

want it like that

you know what because that's what they

want that's the beautiful thing because

that's what they want that though that's

the thing with your argument I think you

want you want that because that's how

you lick your fucking boss's asshole

every fucking day

but you fucking really like gay homo

that's what you want dude you are the

fucking ass eater

which is really weird

yeah yeah if it's weird sounding if it's

we if it sounds weird imagine if it

sounds weird imagine your co-workers who

witness it every day when you're apart

witnessed one you sucking your managers

dick

you're a fucking boss yeah your boss is

fucking you licking your boss's ass

every day viscerally that's what they

see it picture it in your head picture

the graphic picture how graphic this

sounds picture the graphicness of how

this sounds right every day your

co-workers see you I want you to know

how your co-workers see you I want you

to know how you're no listen listen

listen I wanna I want you to know hold

on I want you to know how your

co-workers see you every day you're

making every day every day they go to

work every day they show up to work on

every day they show up to work and they

see you they see you viscerally cleaning

the entire ass of your fucking boss and

you're good you're putting so much work

into you're like an electric toothbrush

you're for free and you're getting paid

nothing and you have unlimited batteries

and that's what they see

no that's how they see you I promise I

promise that's not easy I promise that's

how they seem that you when when when

when you when you

go to work quote unquote work all your

co-workers see homoerotic pornography

that's what they see no yes they do I

think that's what you see no that's what

your co-workers see you as it's the same

level they see you on the same level

they see you on the same level as that

no yes they do

yes they do no yes they really well they

do well they do

well I do well they do

well you're wrong I'm not wrong I'm

right I know you don't know how they

talk to me but behind your back and they

tell me wow okay yeah behind my behind

your back they tell me

that's good to know

yeah

they don't like you it's a Friday night

they didn't invite you to the party

there's a reason

yeah um I mean I'm sure they're having

like a blast yeah they're having a party

without you you don't get invited

because you're an arc bitch and no one

likes you okay well it's I'm glad you

know a lot about the intricacies dude

you are the class enemy you are the

class enemy I just you're like the CCTV

camera class enemy

I really don't think class enemies

advocate for people to order you said

you said infrared was a cult dude you're

literally in a retail yeah because you

are fucking cool yeah but you're yeah at

least at least my culture at least my

cult is just hey at least my cult is

just internet fun your cult your cult is

like forcing people to do things to

survive and it's in her fucking retail

you're on a strip mall cult you're a

strip you look you're in a fucking strip

mall cult shut the fuck up you're in a

strip mall cult you're almost forcing

people to do anything because it's their

job but it depends on it and you're just

forcing them in the school you're

forcing them to be in a cult you're

forcing you see let me tell you hey hey

boy boy let me tell you something when

you get a job when someone gets a job

it's a contractual relationship you give

me money and I will do this do your job

I will do this task Hey Hey listen

listen let me tell you something boy how

hard people work it's not on the

contract do the bare minimum suck a dick

bitch they're gonna do the bare minimum

you want to brainwash them into a call

hey hey boy you don't even do that boy

boy boy

you want you sound like a fucking reason

boy you want to brainwash people you

want to brainwash people boy you want to

brainwash people like a retard bro you

want to brainwash people into your

retail cult where they give a fuck where

they give a fuck about the job above and

beyond what they're paid what a loser

dude you're a fucking loser no bare

minimum you think people should do below

the bare minimum anything yes bare

minimum

um they should they should do below bare

minimum when they can get away with it

and bare minimum if you're watching yeah

you know what most a lot of people don't

fucking think like you man yeah because

they're fucking losers they're losers

like you because they're fucking losers

in the workplace they don't think like

you because they're workers like you

because they're fucking losers like you

but good thing good thing the working

class is Awakening good thing the

working class is Awakening and they

don't want to fucking work these dumb

fucking jobs anymore suck a dick bitch

they're waking up they're taking the red

pill suck a dick bitch they all want to

work in Factory race that's what they're

doing they don't want to work bullshit

jobs anymore they don't want to work

bullshit jobs anymore they want real

fulfilling jobs they want something

dignified they don't want to work in

fucking bullshit jobs

yeah so they all just want to work in

factories that's what everyone wants to

do

they they don't want to work bullshit

jobs if if you ask people hey would you

work but you know what shut the fuck up

you retard I live in Detroit everyone

here wants to work in a fucking Factory

you retard if you fucking get picked to

work for Ford or GM that's like winning

the Willy Wonka golden fucking ticket to

the fucking Chocolate Factory you

fucking idiot everyone wants those

fucking jobs here you dumbass you think

people

want to fucking work at fucking yes they

do want to work in factories where I

fucking live you idiot are you stupid

I'm not against bringing industrial

labor back I'm against the idea that

we're gonna eliminate no you just said

something retarded you said something

retarded you're like oh you think people

want to work at factories yes they do

they really do yes they do factories

people that's like getting that's like

winning the lottery dude that's like

getting drafted to the fucking lions

it's like getting drafted dude that's

like your ticket out you get a fucking

Factory job you're set you're set

of course people want that yeah because

in most of those factories they had

union jobs first of all but it's also

not just that not just that not just

that they're good paying hold on they're

good paying they're stable they're

dignified because guess what you're not

serving people you're working on things

people prefer that infinitesim

infinitely better than having to fucking

smile at fucking people they hate

there's also lots of workplace hazards

and consequences that come with those

jobs that had to be and that well the

people have spoken the people have

spoken people have spoken and they

prefer you're a pussy that's your

problem though the people have spoken

they prefer those more hazardous jobs

risking more hazards you are a pussy

that's your problem you're just a pussy

yes I have yes I have yes I have yes I

have why don't you go work one right now

why I'm doing this now I believe in this

oh this is more important oh the

railroad workers on the backbone of the

economy but you're a twitch stream you

can just go just go be a real you want

why don't you go learn a trade why don't

you be a twitch streamer then if you can

be a twitch streamer dumb bitch because

you have nothing to offer you have no

ideas to offer you have nothing to offer

to the world no one cares what you have

to say bitch you wanted to debate me

though even though I have 95. yeah

honestly honestly because because I'm so

glad I debated you too because I've made

you my sacrificial chicken to show the

world what the Baristas truly are

they're fucking narcs I'm so glad I have

this I'm so glad I have this holy fuck

I'm so I'm so glad I was Vindicated like

this holy shit you think people should

just do nothing at their jobs dude you

sound like a boss right now it's like

it's like motherfuckers are just

literally said dude it's not our problem

we don't live in a communist Society

it's not my fucking problem bitch

if I want to scam your boss that's not

my fucking problem bitch it's a doggy

dog what suck a dick yes my goal is to

do as little work fucking possible and

make the fucking most amount of money

possible why because we live in a dog

eat dog capitalist society that means I

don't give a fuck about you I don't care

about Society I don't care about the

common good any of that shit as long as

I gotta pay my bills making my own

fucking grind I'm not getting paid to be

a fucking narc like you

yeah no you're saying it's a doggy dog

world but only for the other guy if you

if you have if you're doing it that's

how it is yeah bitch it's a doggy dog

world you have to secure your dude dude

dude okay if a man comes up to you if a

man comes up to you all right let me

explain Let Me Explain If a man Cubs up

to you if a man comes up to you he goes

I want to fuck your girl and you're like

well it's kind of fair that you should

be able to and nah bro that's your girl

that's your shit he got his old shit you

gotta understand there's a distance

there you got your business he's got his

business it's not the same damn thing

it's not your job to choose what is just

and what is not just you are out here

living your own fucking world he's out

here living his own fucking world now

when you talk when you want to talk

about the business of politics which is

what I'm involved in ideology and shit

then treat it that way don't commingle

it and mix it up with your personal

fucking business in your private fucking

business because that's how you end up

getting spanked

buy with your fucking members and your

fucking fucking uh CPI so shut the fuck

up

personal shit is political shit okay

then go get spanked bitch no it's not

what does that even fucking mean

it means it's not the same shit it means

it means it means even if you decide

you're a communist and I want to look

out for the best interests of all

Humanity in all Society you're still an

ugly motherfucker you're still a weak

bitch you're still not smart you're

still not talented all of those things

are tested under the competitive

pressures of the dog eat dog world where

motherfuckers gotta prove themselves and

test their metal just because you decide

you're the fucking Universal

representative of all the humanity it

doesn't actually make you that in actual

reality when it comes to the actual

relationship when it comes to the actual

relationship you bear to humanity you

need to prove that you need to prove

your fucking metal you don't just get to

sit here like a fucking bureaucrat

claiming you're the most moral person

who's looking out for everyone without

actually proving yourself among the

Wilderness or the fucking people and

proving you even have shit to offer in

the fucking first place which you don't

I'm not claiming on the moral Authority

but if it's a dog eat dog world then

people can be fucking held accountable

for not doing this no they can't no they

can't you can only hold people

accountable in a stalinist show trial

where you have a fucking proletarian

dictatorship and it's a communist

Society fine and hold people accountable

we don't live in that so shut the fuck

up and eat a dick so shut the fuck up

and eat a dick there's no accountability

there's no accountability in a wild west

capitalist Society you don't even

believe in a real doggy dog world

yes I do because that's what we fucking

live in because you don't believe in

people doing what they got to do to

advance in a workplace

you're a loser is the problem because

you're a talentless loser

listening you're a pussy hey pussy pussy

let me tell you something pussy don't

get it twisted if I ever if I ever found

myself under the if I ever found myself

in the unfortunate circumstances that

you were ever my manager I would not I'm

not gonna work I'm not I'm not gonna try

to hold you accountable bitch I'm gonna

do shit behind your back and while

you're not looking I'm gonna fucking

fucking make you slip on a banana peel

and shit and do pranks and shit on you

make you look like a dumb bitch I'm not

gonna tell you any of it either and I'm

gonna see hey bitch and I'm gonna steal

from the cash register when you're not

looking and you're not gonna do shit

bitch because you're not gonna know I'm

doing it doggy dog suck a dick eat a

dick bitch I know you're doing it really

quick now you won't bitch because you

saw you're a bird brain idiot and dumb

fucks like you dumb fucks like you

you're a dime a dozen you're such a

diamond you're such a dime a dozen dumb

bird brain fucks like you couldn't

notice if you got pickpocketed if you're

fucking yeah do you think stealing from

the company is Praxis you like it's not

practice motherfucker it's not Praxis

it's called getting your hustle up bitch

it's not Praxis it's not Praxis no

nobody's saying it's Praxis nobody's

saying is Praxis nobody's saying his

Praxis but what we are saying is that

it's wintertime grind we're trying to

get our money up stack the money kick

the hoes out that's what we're saying

yeah get the money up but don't don't

advance in your workplace by getting the

money up just fucking no no cause you're

a talentless loser who's trying to do it

fine yeah yeah yeah yeah I was making

listen listen man I was making I was

making eight dollars an hour and now I

make 8.50 that's I'm advancing I'm

advancing I'm advancing

I'm making another dollar an hour one

whole dollar

a six dollar raise doesn't improve

someone's condition yeah and and that's

when I inflation that's dog shit that's

nothing

it matters a lot and in inflation era

why then why is everyone quitting

because it doesn't matter bitch

because everyone's quitting because of

the anti-work left because of the energy

work left you're blaming this dude is

saying Joe schmoe on the street who's

quitting his job is brainwashed by the

anti-work left shut the fuck up you're

blaming the anti-work left because

nobody's a SpongeBob SquarePants bitch

like you shut the fuck up you're the one

who's playing on the pandemic in the

first place you fucking retard it's

because they want their pandemic checked

bro yeah yeah and that's based and

that's based and that's based no they

don't just want their pandemic check the

pandemic made them realize how much

they're getting conned working at these

dumb dead-end stupid fucking jobs when

in which because they realize our

society still functions when they don't

have to show up to these dumb jobs it

still functions why am I going to work

at this job if it's not necessary for

society to function Society was horrible

under the lockdown it didn't function it

was horrible no it did function a lot of

people lost their businesses that was

horrible but guess what shit did still

function it did

no it was a horrible function it was

terrible not really

not really not really not really not

really not really not really yeah really

um eat a dick you are fucking you're a

fucking narc

and you're a fucking pussy I'm a pussy

you're a pussy you're a pussy you have

never as a man as a man hey Adolf Adolf

why don't you pull yourself up by the

bootstraps and make a fucking living

getting your own bread instead of

sucking a cock of some fucking boss to

climb the ranks to be the fucking head

prostitute you fucking yeah you believe

in doggy dog world except when someone

got to do what they gotta do

but here's the thing you're yeah it is

dog eat dog but that doesn't nobody the

reason no one will ever respect you

though is because instead of being in

this instead of carving your own place

instead of carving out your own place

and this dog doggy dog world the way you

make it out is by sucking dick

I guess

sounds like once again doing some like

gay homo erotic shit but

I disagree

well everyone sees it differently

I don't know who everyone is maybe your

fans I don't know

my fans will never be narcs ever

I don't think it's being a narc to ask

someone to do

what's the basics of the contractual

labor they were assigned to do

what

I don't think it's a narc to ask someone

to do the basic labor that they're

contractually obligated to do when they

come to a workplace dude and you're like

a Marxist socialist and this is how you

sound yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm the

teacher's fed I get this is it's not a

narc for me to like dude you're a dude a

case closed case fucking closed you're

taking you're assuming ethical moral

responsibility for capitalist

institutions

LARPing as if this is social no ethical

moral responsibility I just want people

to do their job because it affects me if

they don't because then I got to do more

work and I'm just there every day to do

my job because I need to pay rent no you

don't need you to pay rent you just like

being a Power Trip yeah an arc bitch

dude I hope your landlord increases the

rent for you I hope your life is just

suffering forever

sounds like a

Ally of the working class you know what

I'm gonna I'm gonna guys let's raise

money let's I'm gonna buy your apartment

complex and be your landlord and evict

you

okay that's like some real pro-working

class stuff and I want to fucking raise

rent only on you and only I'm gonna

raise rent only on you then I'll be your

boss bitch I'm gonna buy your retail

store and be your boss and fire you and

then I'm gonna fucking yeah I'm gonna

watch you currently own any retail

stores I'm gonna own your real estate

I'm gonna be Mr Krabs I'm gonna own your

retail store and then I'm gonna be your

boss bitch

you wish you could enjoy that bitch I'll

be fucking the Bowser of your life bitch

so you have a secret desire to be what

you define as a narc as well no no the

boss ain't an artist the boss is the

only guy who wins the boss is the only

one who wins the boss ain't the narc

he's his own boss who's he who's he

knocking for the boss is the one who

owns it bitch that's gonna be me

yeah I support I want your boss to fire

you because you're a bitch

so you're definitely really pro-working

class then no the work no here's the

thing it's just Revenge because those

tyranny The Tyranny you exert on workers

how much they hate you they would love

the poetic justice of they would love

the poetic justice of me becoming the

boss and just firing you they would just

and then and then after I did that after

I did that I would just sell the place

and never look back but I would just

show them before their eyes I would fire

you and then I'll be like yo guys listen

and then we'll raise like we'll raise

like some money like yo everyone gets

five thousand dollars

quit this job and do something do

something different right and we'll just

make a difference that way how about

that let's do that

and it's just to ruin your life

specifically all right you narc bitch

you're not fucking Pro worker you

fucking snitched Justified you justify

the boss and the capital dude you're

such a fucking lot you're such a fraud

I'm so glad I exposed your bitch ass is

a fucking Armor shit

um when I'm at work I just think people

should shut up bitch you don't get paid

for that

yeah I do actually

no but you go above and beyond you you

look out for your institution you're

loyal to it you're loyal to the

institution bitch maybe because you know

what the institution I work for done

infinitely more than people like you

I'm So Alone Stockholm syndrome ass weak

bitch the thing is you're not loyal to

it because out of respect you're loyal

to it because you're a slave mentality

sheep mentality lick spittle bitch

that's why because you're a pussy you're

actually an actual pussy you're an

actual pussy you are a natural-born

servant and natural born slave

in the Middle Ages in Islamic times in

Islamic times in in the Middle Ages in

Islamic times I always thought it was so

horrible they had slavery I was like

damn you know but now I'm looking at I'm

talking to a motherfucker like I'm like

shit man we should just like buy and

sell people like you honestly yeah you

can just like I'll just buy you and you

can wash my car

why not I'll punch you in the fucking

face nah bro you that's your mental

you're like born for that you're like

born into that shit you justify medieval

Islamic slavery you actually justify

medieval Islamic slavery

this is like you're making a case that

some people are just born slaves they're

just born to be slaves knock you out

you're making the argument that some

people are just born to be slaves

well I think you're honestly a fucking

piece of shit actually no you're just

like a servile like you're like you know

I think you know how dogs are naturally

not like a dog is naturally like you

know like a dog you don't like how a dog

is just like naturally servile and it's

just like naturally a servant I just

kind of feel like that's you

no I just feel like that there's people

who should just make sure that other

workers don't have to pick up their

slack but you make excuses

I'm the I'm the Boy Scout when nobody

asks

you're the Boy Scout when nobody asked

that's what you fucking are the Boy

Scout when nobody asked the whole

monitor when nobody asked SpongeBob

SquarePants when nobody asked that's you

a teacher's pet that's what you are

when nobody asked

it's like we got a mild check on your

ass cause nobody asked you we got a mob

check we got a mob check on your bitch

ass because look into my left look into

my right nobody asked but you're doing

it anyway you're making it a context

you're making something of it when

nothing was asked of it you're making

something out of it when nothing was

there you're making a situation you're

making a situation

when nothing demanded it you're making

it a thing it wasn't a thing you're

making it a circumstance when the time

wasn't ready for it you're making it

something to be spoken about when all I

heard was dead silence that's what you

motherfucking are a goddamn narc

no because I don't think you you really

never worked in a workplace because you

think people should just snitch you are

a snitch you are a snitch you think

telling people to do their job make you

an art yes hey can can you actually just

not be on your cell phone the whole time

please because then I have to do more

stuff

no I'm gonna stay on my cell phone what

are you gonna do about it bitch

I'll write you up okay well I'll I'll be

waiting for you after I get fired I'll

be waiting outside for you all right

then I'll punch you well we'll see we'll

see we'll see okay don't be afraid you

do that shit I'm just trying to make a

clear to you you're gonna run you're

gonna run into the wrong one someone's

gonna be waiting outside for you one day

I promise just for simply asking someone

to just do their job yeah hell yeah

because you're getting someone's

business you little narc bitch the world

is ending right now the world is ending

right right now the world is ending

right now at least have the decency to

leave a motherfucker alone yo the world

is ending right now the economy yo dude

the economy is about to collapse money

is going to become meaningless all this

will become meaningless

yeah this big recession is coming even

BlackRock just admitted it the least you

can fucking do is just leave a

motherfucker alone you narc bitch no

okay well

don't you you said no you said no don't

you mean

nine nine

foreign

who will just always have a stick in

their ass Always Forever that's why see

I can sit like this right I can just sit

like this I'm chilling

you the dude who's always going to sit

like this

is gonna be you forever

that will always be I can't see all

right I have no no idea what you're

talking about well I can't say I know

you don't get I know you don't get it

I know you don't get

well

I know you don't get it

but we get it I think it's retarded that

you think asking someone

you know what you know what all right

all right Adolf anything else

um no I just think that people should

take out the garbage at a workplace

nobody cares bitch nobody cares you're

an arc bitch nobody give a fuck I

promise nobody give a fuck okay

nobody cares nobody cares

nobody cares

nobody cares all right we have one more

person who's apparently like a huge

troll

what do you want bitch

add your name up

what

what did I just hear they had said

something add your name up what

add your name up what the fuck was that

all right that guy was waiting for five

hours by the way

to speak

that guy was waiting for five hours to

speak why

to say that

all right

well

motherfuckers I mean

okay

add my name up what the fuck does that

mean

all right Baristas were destroyed

tonight

this was the final battle against the

Baristas what happened tonight

was the final assault on Baristas

forever they will never recover

that was the fight this was the Helms

Deep of the battle against Baristas

this was Helms Deep

this was the Stalingrad

of fighting Baristas

okay and we made it we won they're gone

forever they will never fucking win

again this is like I could not

I could not fathom

a more powerful Victory than this

I'm glad logos saw this I'm so glad I

was just about to say I was like logo

needs to see this shit

because holy fuck it's so cathartic it

is holy fuck

logo is just I'm giving logo the W

because he was the one who started the

discourse

and he was so right about it from the

beginning

and he gets us the Supreme w

okay anyway guys

oh man I gotta eat I gotta eat and uh we

did a long stream today didn't we I had

a lot of fun

I had a lot of fun

I had a lot of fun and the Adolf Hitler

socialist lost

China Summit tomorrow okay

all right guys

um I will give River one point

like just one you know he did make a

point

when he said oh yeah I should just like

be a narc and shit at work and the one

good point he made was goodbye to the

people who trusted me goodbye to the

dude think about me do you think about

me do you think about me do you think

about me

go back to the people who trust me go

back to the people who love me to buy to

the people who trusted me goodbye

goodbye to everybody now I need some

changes in my life now I need so good

I'm in life do you think about me do you

think about me goodbye to the people who

Trust