The Stream Where it's Happening
2021-05-20
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but what's this
you german soldier played the piano when the soviet union was pushing toward berlin
an s s soldier was forced to play piano for his captors
they made it clear in sign language that he would be executed the moment he stopped
he played for twenty two hours
after which he collapsed in tears they congratulated him then shot him
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of what
jesus that's brutal
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come debate me instead of making a video you fucking pussy
i was thinking about waxing this entire video
instead of responding to it
video
then i realized
i don't have time
i'm clearly a very accessible streamer
who is known for debates
if you actually want to contest our video
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onstream
schedule a debate with me and we will have it on stream
but i already know this is
if you really have something to critike
you should be able to defend it
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an environment in which i can
defend mice
in which
our points can
and be defended
in real time
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the scientific distinction between socialism and communism it's clear what
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everyone's getting punished right now
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first of all
this is fucking unacceptable this video took like a mont to listen lis lists lisen
oh fucking people keep asking us for scripted videos
there's they take a lot of work to do
this took a month to edit from our editor took a month
when we released it
on the second day or third day would we get
four point five k us
my streams get this
you see why we don't do these scripted videos that often
because they don't s because beuusd the audience is be stupid
you foods audience are o retarded
you think you think look are infrared people
you think we're retarded
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we know what we're talking about
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theoretical
background
to each and every one of us
okay
we just don't share it with you guys one hundred percent
because you're not worthy
and by you guys i mean the whole youtube political scene
we don't share it
and when we do the nerd gatekeepers come in and try to bite our ankles and bother us and harass us
so o k we'll keep it to ourselves
we'll keep it to ourselves then
we'll just keep it to ourselves how about that
if that's how you all want to be
you don't wanta be like that
let's just keep it to ourselves
why should we put all this effort only to get four k views
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you see why this
you see why things are how they are now
you see why this shitt is the way it is now
becuse you all don't know what you want
you don't know what you want
you all don't know what you want
then you people will remain a fringe idoto we won't bitch
no we won't idiology doesn't spread through theory
believe it or not
you think vosh has theory
you think bread tube has any theory to back itself up if fucking doesn't
it's all it's all a fucking appearance you understand
it's all a show
understand the sooner you understand that the more you trust the plan the better you will understand
so much work went into this video
so much work
there's so much quality and effort
and weet wll for what four k views
you see you see
you see the trade that's going on
you see the cost benefit analysis
you see the cost benefit analysis
make videos about actual ideas
so you're telling me we should pour all of our painstaking effort
like it takes like a month to make these videos
just to get four k views that's what you're saying
no
this vido is better than anything from
anyone
anyone i don't care who you're talking about i'm sorry i cam
not to haite on hockem this is way better than hockim's videos
but the audience don't know what they want
you don't deserve us
youll don't deserve was that'f the truth
because we're living in twenty thirty five and you guys are living in twenty sixteen
we're living in twenty thirty five in ten years this video is going to git five million views
they're going to like oh how could they have had this foresight
that's how that's the tragedy
that's the tragedy
that's the tragedy
this video should have ten kve viuswed by now
explain why it doesn't
what what his views are
look at who contra points let's look a a contra points video
contter points
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what is this shit hah
she does a video called men and it has a three million views
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the farc is this
she sits on the couch and talks she doesn't even have to edit anything
jusp a script anything
all she does is sit on the couch and talk
i could do that
i could sit on my couch and talk
and you guys give her three million views
you'll give her three million views to sit on the couch and talk
you see the problem
and she's not even smart she doesn't even know theory like we do
shelesn't know nearly as much as we do and y all give her three million views
this is the tragedy
the people who know what they're talking about
you give us fur e four k views
keep complaining about karaoke streams
keep complaining
all you fucking nerd stupid fucking nerd bitch haters
this is why
you see what the plab audience likes
look at this
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no editing went into this video twenty four qu views
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destiny fourteen k views
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then wh it comes to a video
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you give us four k ves
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you see
you see
you see the truth
there you have it
i lost all those debates
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everyone kick w laugh at the retard in the chat liberal world order
liberal world order
literally your name is liberal world order you already lost the debate you fucking moron
you literally already lost the debate
and you come in my v c and debate me
after i'm done talking a logo come and i'm debating other guys tonight come my b c and debaate me later tonight pussy
i'm going to give you that chance you're going to come debate me because you're talking a lot of shit
you're talking a lot of shit i'm putting your bit ches in time out
get in my discord
come in the v c come debate me later tonight and we'll see
we'll see who lost the debate
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you should do what contrapoints knows nothing about socialism hervid
mention anything about yeah dude contra points
no i don't want to dood i don't want her fans i don't care about consequences
if you watch concert points you're fucking cringe ok
the liberal world order is unstoppable
lial the liberal worl who thinks that literally
every lib is crying in crisis that the liberal world orders collapsing
and you're saying it's unstoppable in what you know in what universe
what is even talking about
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do't believe this y am
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wow you are literally a marxist
so what
your liberalism is destroyed marxism arises
china's rising china's the biggest over a billion people marks this country
and china's rising the libs are collapsing
talk about projection
but marxism is winning you live they're the ones who are losing you're being devoured by populism your institutions are collapsing nobody believes in liberal democracy any more nowhere in the world are people embracing liberal democracy everyone's becoming authoritarian and illiberal
where's your victories hat where's your bright future you're done liberal you're done liberal liberal liberal suck my cot
don't give him attention
he's a lefty buller trolling
yeah leftyoull still on my cock huh
stom my cock
i'll box lefty pollers ont i'll box them i fucking hate them so m they band my twitch
they tattle tilled and reported my twitch
that is onun fororgivable crime it's an unforgivable crime
and i'm waging war against the american left
until i die because of that
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ah let me ask him he's ready
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um i was just checking some shit what part of michigan am i from
ah your mom's house
i go there every night
in an extremely exaggerating situation people are very discontented
so the right try to direct the discontent toward muslims immigrants and unemployed
yeah
kalamazoo gang
you're living in the anglo box hoz
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i'm literally bursting out of the anglo box with my cop
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bucking
how am i living there
i'm really bursting out of it
be hormless
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be real
right guess
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wre he's coming on
called the sessunan box
the fock are you talking about
replicator pogan and his autude pogan ran away
literally pogan is the biggest pusssy
i'm not debating anyone right now
ing we're going to talk to logo
then later tonight we're going to debate
some fucking pussy in my
cop jail
alright logos come on
hey w's up man
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can you hear me
ya ya i can hear you fun
al right cool
the man how you doing
i'm pretty good man i'm just chilling right now
nice
had some pizza
wll am
fun stuff you know just live in life
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shipmn are twitch got banned
it was actually believe it or not
it was leuveist who did it
like they a
they coordinated like a reporting
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who else would do it
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dad's fucking crazy
like yeah
they're like from this like image board or some shit like some
yeah
but i
yeah i uh
i don't know
i didn't really like to prepare anything today i just like
i just figured we could just like hang out and chat for a bit or whatever
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and i got lots of ideas if you're if you're out yeah yeah whenever dud whenever i i
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what is this low energy olcom i'm trying to think to i'm trying to fuck and thin i don't know what to say
and
but i could just tell you what i've been thinking about yeayea wy don't you start why don't you start because my my mind is
well like what i've been thinking about a lot
recently is i just
i'd cast i middle look it up
aain
now
f you type in emily brandwen like
brand to win as like one last name
you'll find this podcast but it's about this girl who is
she was did improv comedy
and that was her route to the cia
was a
and i've been thinking about how much that makes sense
and
how much
like
we could make sense of the world right now with the idea that like you have
like
u c b
improp comedy type people in the cia now like that's basically
who's in charge of us
it's really weird why do you think that is it's like
why you think that but all the jokes sort of make sense right like
because they have to the their create their role playing scenarios like fictitious scenarios and inventing their responses while keeping like a coherent identity
in like multiple circumstances like over and over there like p
like creating a new identity for themselves like in habiting it acting as if that's who they are
you know what i mean
like it's it makes total senses like the skill set
involved you're right actually especially if it's like you're like a kind of self ironic type we're like you're always detaching
rum like um
yeah i could actually see like
also a lot of like these podcasters too right
like uh the chapel like
well i just feel
there
i'm like now interested
and to figure out
the history of like stand up comedy as like a media because
it seems like stand up comedy
has taken like the position of like
the
the like public consciousness in america anyway like that's why people
are obstessed with like the politics of stand up comedy
it's because like the comedians are supposed to be like representative of the people in away like because we have this
like
this is like this is how what the
works right like we don't
like we have to have the representatives or whatever
but the comedians had this like mythology about themselves of like being really like men of the people
especially when like a comedy was being considered an art form or something and like the mid to actt the twentieth century
and and like i'm just you know i'm thinking so much of like
if we can
potentially like
consider a
's like the class of like what like actors like theatrical
performers like where does that fit into like a class analysis
because also today right that these hollywood producers are creating a union for themselves
oh sure like producers
right isn't that a little
well i think on
that calls m to suspect the whole union thing
the fact that
uh i've been saying this shit people get so mad when i say this but like
ah to me unions have changed in in terms of their function their role in society
and people should really think about why is it that the unionization of amazon failed
but
all of the successful union unionizations that happen nowadays are
grad students
you know the kind of
e m c type of people these uh
you know uh artists and like uh you know those type those type of people areh engineers google engineers
those type of people
can unionize successfully
because their workplaces are already fundamentally culturalized and there
their cultural machines like h
beyond excet engineers and all those people are an exception
but it's more complicated those mental workers whatever
but by and large
graduate they're all cultural workers in the first place so
unionizing is super easy because the
it's like uh
uh
this kind of ability to transmit
some kind of
common stance and position is already there they're already fundament fundamentally culturalized
whereas amazon workers where they actually do real shit they're not just like
cultural workers
they have a hard time unionizing so it just calls in a quick
is unionization just this purely kind of cultural bullshit today is is there
is it possible to really successfully unionize contemporary
workers you know
but another thing i wanted to add with the whole comedy thing is that
it's also strange because
there seems
it comedy
seems to have
taken in america and the whole the west as a whole
a kind of privileged uh metaphysical h status
uh you know the whole kind of nehlistic like uh basically
all life is a bad
comedy its all a joke
uh i think that's why we see the prevalence of
you know the joker as like such a i mean as a mean but also not only as a mean
uh as like a serious point of
serious point of reference in terms of light
a figure or a symbol or a character that
people fundamentally relate to today
and then also that whole meme about like clown world and all that kind of stuff so it seems like
comedy it seems like we're at a moment in which
comedy
uniquely more than any other era of american history comedy is like
what tums up
i guess um
the current the
the current metaphysical accent i guess
of the country
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yeah
um
ive just think been thinking about it from the perspective of like the
that
pretty much like all soocial media or like ponditrey etc like in a
hello
i think you're disconnecting a little bit
what's the last thing you left off on punditree
oh yeah i don't like like
can you hear me now
yea i can't tell
all right
yeah i feel like when
were like following the news cycle
or whatever
it's kind of similar to just
these scenarios are being presented for us
and pretty much everyone's like larping in their response like we sort of
act
by like the mechanisms of social media itself
the way that like behavioralist psychology
describes like human subjectivity but not how it is like experienced outside of these confines of like social media
you know what i mean
like the way people
communicate to each other on social media is very different than
you would in like a face to face
conversation
and
that's why like you can't really there's like not really
i don't really know if there's a potentiality really for like you know we have like all these debates or whatever
and that seems to be like like ostensibly important or or whatever
but i really don't think that it's even like
mpossible to have
these sorts of
like dialogues or dialectics or whatever in the confines of
this system at this point right because
we're like by play acting like on this stage we are sort of taking for granted like the
the media cycle in the moment in in time in that like media the drop the dramatic narrative of like what
the majority of people believe like
is going on in world politics or in this country specifically
and to even like grant that some sort of reality
even to the best you can do is to just like
granted a hypothetical reality solely that you can like deconstruct it
because
w people just fundamentally don't live in reality
right like i don't like i think that's really what
the clown world
mean is about is that
like we'reur discourse with reality is media so heavily mediated by the structure and like the gate like the game theoretic and like systems theory mechanics
that went into creating them
that
it's
like how do how do you
what we
it you have to explain like where all this comes from right because it's like
how do you even start talking to someone like
destiny or like a game or type liberal or whatever you have to be like well listen like you have to you don't know anything about the like the world that you're imagining or like the world that you want have a conversation about is a complete fiction
bank
has no history like no real reality to it
like that's how severed
the media like control system or however whatever way you want to think about it
um has like to this is like the real totalitarianism right is
right yeah i think but the question i have then is on
how can the true reality be accessed at all and in what way can one
whatt what would constitutes an experience of the real
a reality
i guess
um i don't i don't really know like that's that's a that's a tough that's a tough question because it's
how can you ever be sure that you have access to this realityor that you're like you can only know when you gt it wrong right for the most part
so
so really the way that like i
i feel like
there's all these layers it's like an onion to like this
like
being disenchanted with the media
if that makes sense
yeah like
it you don't like immediately jump to this level where you like understand like how constructed
these narratives are
and like how they're just like kind of institutional fictions
um
it it takes so long to get to that point that it's sort of like i feel like everyone is like in a colt
in america
of like
like this total fiction of our own national history amongst other things
and
there's like all these like subcults derived from it but
there is like a real history beneath all of this right like
but i do believe we can access
but that history is the one which
is like
it shows how
how fake our fucking history is you know it's like we have to talk about everything with scare quotes i feel like all the time
because i feel like there's like two planes of reality almost
where there's
the consensus narrative this like total story storybook thing where it's like ok all right we're larping
like this is what world war two was about right now so i have to like pretend that i hold all of the same
the same interpretation you know oh yeah yeah it was good that we went and did that
like we have to pretend like all these premises
are valid but they're totally fake
like it's all it's all fucking bullshit like
i how where do you start with people you know if you're going to start like being like you're
your framework your frame of reference for the world is this complete like liberal fiction
i think the issue has to do with this kind of separation between
is h
i guess what you would call the artificial reality in which people uh
suspend or i guess invest
their sense of meaning right
and then the kind of factual i guess true reality
a it's also a distinction that you can find being
expressed
even by the m s m itself when it comes to the whole like
we have a crisis of fake news i mean clearly people
are willing and invested in
believing things
that are may not necessarily have any factual reality whatsoever but
it has still some kind of reality
only its a virtual reality yeah you know
yeah exactly precisely
of course you and i know that when the media says this all they're doing
is uh
incriminating themselves their revealing that
well actually this distinction you're pointing out between the fake news and the
the true so called true reality also applies to you people don't watch
m s m because they think this is the true site of
yeah true reality i mean according to this kind of impiricistic view of truth
that this is the true reality and um
and no they have all kinds of pathological and etiological investments and the whole explosion of fake news and all that kind of stuff
just kind of expose that fact
right
but im
still though i my issue is that
i remain sceptical
to me i
how should i say this so the distinction that we're talking about actually people living who are coming from communist countries communist states
it's very much
clear to them what we're talking about here like
it's the same thing in communists like officially there's an official narrative there's an official line
and then there's you know
what we would consider true
cynically or intuitively and stuff like that
and it also applies even to things like censorship right even when
the states are censoring certain content
radiological reserve
it's not that people you know view that think that they've obliterated it from reality's just that
that they've obliterated it from the kind of virtual
reality right which people recognize as a as a separate from
i suppose uh
and's a more
individual common sens ofble reality
but
nonetheless i think one uh point in which we may uh
disagreement we won't disagree but i would raise this point
to me
this virtual reality to me
is some kind of sight
of true
it is a site in which
a something is going on beyond
that mere
deception
it is a way in which
even the true reality so to speak is being mediated to us and
and related to yeah
right no i feel you on that like if i didn't if i didn't think that there was any possibility at all
then i probably wouldn't do any any of this stuff you know like i wen
be here right now like
by
what i'm saying is
when it comes like
like as how do you think about it that it's like
how do is this a scalable
hermanutic like
how do you how do you get how to how do you even begin to inform people
in like all of the ways that they've been meaned on fundamentally
like
all of the things that they believe which are just total fingx
like because you're essentially taking away what
their identity is which is what
the they get so upset about
right that's why it becomes like this sort of personal
attack
when you just want to describe like
well like how do you understand like
the american empire or whatever like what is going on or like you know how do you know anything about x y or z
m
there's a term that are just complicated it's complicated cope
you know there is a term that are a group
but our
internal likelea
infrared we've
we've come up with and we call it soft conspiracyis
and what it means for us is that
there is a moment
a singular moment actually
ah
that a person will experience
that is a fundamental
over
all encompassing
all encompassing
dow
in
the uh
establishment etiology i mean them the mainstream narrative
we call it soft conspiracism
ah not because
it's like
you know
it's less problematic than you know the hard corking species but because
it hasn't hardened into one
consistent narrative yet
it's just this moment of
fundamental radical alienation in doubt
rum the whole kind of mainstream whatever narrative and
the only danger we have in the moment of soft conspiracism is if it hardens into
one kind of
narrative
that explains everything and to me this is where
ah
kind of psychotic pathologies will come from like
super paranoid
conspiracy theories cults
that offers some kind of a
uh some kind of uh
solution to this crisis that an individual will experience with
establishment narrative like
because it puts someone in a very vulnerable position just as but
the important thing to me i think at least would be that
you don't necessarily have to explain anything one by one
there's usually singular moments in which people can just
are just delivered to this point of doubt in every
right
their singular moments just make people start to question everything they see on t v and all the narratives that
that come their way
and on
what those moments look like and what they are i think
it's kind of tough to pin them down but i think they do exist i think
you know some examples of
i think one example of this moment actually
and come to think of it
was trump's election just the fact that he was he was elected i think this was
and the reason was because it was such a stark
oh
this it was such a stark
difference
from what that we were seeing on t v in the m sm
about like you know what was going on in terms of polling and all that kind of so and then we see trump got elected it's like all these people were fucking wrong you know
so
that led people down a rabbitable that just started to make them
question every
everything
you know
yeah
so here's here's the here's the problem that i have with this right is that i don't feel like it's like a singular mo
because i think
that we have these moments all the time
and then it's also just like basic human frailty that
like
people don't like to have this final revelation i think and like you know suddenly
i
you know eliminate these sorts of aspects
of their like fictitious identity they've adopt adopted from
just
the environment i suppose
i
so when you have these moments even with like the trump election right like
that doesn't necessarily bring more people to like a general skepticism
then it would be to like corral them
into various
's like sympathetic alternatives
to degree right because you look at like you know you have like all the
that
the the so there's not really a huge difference at the end of the day between the like all right guys and like the eighty five people
because
they're fundamentally larping right like they're not
they're still acting the the
fictitious reality of our like liberal electoral political cycle
and if anything they have a adopted it and their position in it even to be even more a part of their identity
what i'm saying is like
how do you strip
this sort of like
like you don't like if this is how you're still thinking you're still thinking your identity is mediated by the like national election cycle by like the mainstream media by
oh
we've already seded the ground entirely
to even framing your conception of self
to the established
systems of power right
so
that's like the real jump that has to be made is
the total like the total
like not like
that's what i where i see everyone getting suckered into like you know caring about fucking electoral politics and stuff like this
but
that's not going to do shit
ever
ah
you know it's it's tough it's tough because
this uh establishment we're talking about right that people are
that
it's what i don't want to sound like a pseudo whatever but it's what interprelates people
as subjects basically right politically speak
i
we have a sense of self
political sense of self
uh initially because
we are interpretateed by these institutions by the mainstream media by this kind of
establishment and we see
and the elections and all this kind of stuff as the site
in which
we participate in some kind of reality and within which reality is ultimately meaningful
when
when the
there's kind of two issues right
when we
ah
d
how would be the word for this
i guess you'd be kind of like
when
this establishment is no longer the privileged medium in which we
find meaning we invest our sense of meaning
a
usually there's one of two results and they're kind of almost the same thing right there's a
thank
total breakdown of
of meaning in general not just the meaning
as it's mediated by establishment but just in general you just go fucking crazy bas
or
you adopt some kind of
ah col basically that
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but anyway as i was saying
we are
we adopt some kind of cope
that just fundamentally is like
the panacea of the solution that just explains
like why we were because
this i mean the fact that
you like the fact that you could believe something is the privileged side of meaning and then
that suddenly becomes meaningless is itself like an extremely traumatic revelation
so
where the cope kind of enters in is it basically like
it explains for you like a
why you were deceived and
this kind of this is the red pill that's the ultimate solution
you know it's the whole time it was reptilians and you know what i kind of mean by that or
yeah yeah but like
i would say that like the more popular ones right that the're
the ones that are actually get traction
because there's a lot of people at any given time of one of these like watershed moments or
you know moments that jar people from being
why
so mshed into the programed like meritive cycle of the
that they'll start like considering alternatives
but i feel like there's a so you have this like market now of like
interpretations of the world
but
and it's like
the ones that survive in that market the best are the ones that can like best
reorient you
back into the
yeah the center
right
yeah likever with through whatever fucking ridiculous mental gymnastics
and it turns out almost nothing is too much
why
almost any sort of fucking crazy belief
can be added into these sorts of alternative hermanutics or whatever
but still ultimately ratify the
the order of things as they are now
so like you know if you wan like really deep down int the q and on stuff right like
there's people writing like these long
in that
uh like lower post
about how time travel machines function
and like how
like all of this is the result of time travel and they're creating all this
and it's like ultimately that at the end of the day they're white
yeah we need to go to war with china like it's like like it's the it's that somehow you can have all these ridiculous baroque alternatives
you can be an narco fascist bid in neo liberal whatever the fuck
call yourself anything
douk i'm a fall and just
but i'm also a furry
or whatever the fog you can just like it
bash up
all of this nonsense together
and still just raify
the center
no matter what like just in your
just in the way that you are already interpreting things
it like the conclusion ends up being like okay so
yeah i'm i'm reasonable i'm like a social democrat i'm not a communist so
we just need to fuck in
get byed and elected the will push them to the left the real problems the republicans and it's like
oh i thought you were you're a pa sadist or something on twitter like
everyone it's like the warping
right has gotten so
complicated and out of fucking hand and everyone selling
these costumes to each other
that
where where like and again like who wins who wins in the costume selling fucking games the people
the one where you're selling people one that they can still wear out in like a normal
normal respectable society that the new york times won't necessarily
sneer too much at or whatever
there's also a kind of
practical uh
i guess i
commonsensical way of onders sanding this as well as that
yah
the reason these people are successful is because they
operate
through the use of this kind of feedback loops where
they draw you away from institutions
and
these people win
this kind of trust
uh and attention from thousands and thousands of people
and then
the institutions then recognize you for being able to do that and then you basically sell out
you know you get more support or funding from the institutions and then
you know it's like a feedback group basically and h
it's yet but like what is it selecting for right it's selecting for the person who can instrumentalize
like they call this the compatible t
right in like the ca this is what the cia was doing like they were like we' got to cultivate like the compatible left
and this is like really what the new left is right like
it's the compatible list
synthetic left the people that you can you can use
will still play ball like at the top
like who fucking get that you like we just got to like you know wll mak the change happened slowly right you know
we don't want a real revolution we just want some reforms
um some reasonable reforms like you know like yeah this is the best you can get really
and that can be fucking out there that can be a fucking weird
like
a neo pagan cult where you do fucking m b ma and shit
like yeah that's fine that's not really a challenge to the fucking
power structure at all like
wellll they'll see that you'll get a darpa
grant
to see if it works on p t s d patients or something
like
what isn't
digestible by the fucking system
it what like it it's
i like this is like you know the you got to grab the stone the builders fucking reject right
i feel like
almost an extreme fal a failure to
work out in the media structure is
is a better heuristic than like conformity to the mean
you know uh
not to sound like a dogmatic fanatic or anything
actually do think it it applies here
to me uh
what's going on
uh can be understood in the kind of uh
ah
dialectcal materialist way just in the sense that
ah
it seems like
nothing is
nothing can change right
you have this moment of a negation i suppose right where you have this radical doubt or uncertainty or
skepticism and then you're
as you have the podcasters or the d s a whatever the hell
and they rechannel you back into
the establishment eteology the main street they sell outright
but
i still think that this contradiction this specific contradiction
as consequences
for the center
a
it's uh eight
it attests to the fact that
the center so to speak the establishment
is a false
a center
it's a it's a pretender basically
because the real sense
from like a he gean perspective right
the real object the real center the real
the real the
i guess m
absolute
has to reconcile this contradiction and the current center doesn't reconcile the contradiction like
for example take bit in right
why didn't appears to be a return to
same old same old right before trump back to the obama but we can all tell that
this is not this is a fake this is not a real
this is not the same
this is just the appearance of the old centre the real objective centre
uh and by center by the way i just mean this kind of
fundamental point of
objective point of uh
a
reference
reality yeah of reality ot sie reality precisely yeah
and this i just think that the
when you when it is a negated so thoroughly you cannot simply return back to it
something as far as it's concerned
has changed fundamentally and maybe this is where china
as maybe china is
uh ultimately the true kind of
the center that
i think it already is yeah
i think it's like i when i think that this happened was
when
we can no longer narrativize america itself
like the project of america now
cannot even be described
without talking about china
we have it like when we're saying like well what it what is our purpose in the world
if you watch like i just watched stephen frye and like jordan peterson talk
and even stephn fry he's you know he's a good old
old boy british blue blood
with his with his very young husband young boyfriends
um he
he
was saying that like
we like the real point of liberal democracy is to like
hold open this space
forever
like we just need to hold the position
that has been established
and
the only thing that in the future are just like threats to this
order
so we just have to like snuff out
everything else in history
like in its cradle because it's it's like the world's full of baby hit
right this is like the liberal imagination
and we just need to like do infantaicide
on the these things and we have to maintain
the exact tensions in society that existed in the twentieth century and we're just maintaining those those tensions because
what we did is we created a system that uses those tensions is like fuel
like
uh i would look this up show this on chat look up uh
ten segreatey
sorry what is it
t n s e g r i t y tennis egredy it was a big thing like buckminster fuller came up with this it's about like
using tensions
to as in architectural terms
to support something
so
it's using like mutual
yeah
so it's using mutual tensions
to support this is like this should be like the fascist
symbol for the american empire is a
this this thing
it a
we use the tensions
the tensions themselves are the stability of
ah
yea i mean um
you know uh
it's it's so interesting because
i think there is
maybe i
something uniquely american about that wouldn't you agree i mean
h we tend to a lot of the things we associate yeah where do we common sense like a criminal empire yeah we just want to have like the
like you know that's the wild west like this whole idea where it's just like
i was just talking about this in the in the podcast i put out but you can see this in king leer
really really well
um the character edmund right he's like
the bastard born society like he's like one he's like the upwardly mobile
he doesn't have respect for any of like the inheritaed traditions he's like he's like nature is my god
and like
if i can take
what what i take is mine is like mine by natural right
and
this is this is like he's like and he's like a villain right
but he's often portrayed
more and more over time as like this hero
because he's like stand up for bastards right like this is
the the the bastard empire of the
you know the upward the upward upwardly mobile the great gatsby character
that that
that that's the hero of our society is the the like
the nore protagonists the
the person who's upwardly mobile who goes from the bottom to the top like benjamin franklin's autobiograph
etcetera like this is
this is our understanding of ourselves
so
like you need ten those tensions to exist in order for you to like have a meaning and like progression in like the narrative
wife
is like
utilizing these tensions in society to move from like the bottom to the top
and that's what all of our celebrity narratives are right like we just
we love those
that's
it's our like real religion is this this whole idea
you know and andd
sorry
say
i don't meaned to cut you off
oh that's fine oh n i think that's it
angela nagle she recently had an essay
and i found it kind of uh
interesting
and and
trust me a lot of these essays and substan that i ignore them because it's like stupid
it's actually interesting to me
yeah
because she she expressed her surprise at biden's kind of new proposal how he was assimilating many of the demands from burning everything
and she said well let's go look back at the story of a new deal new deal was not some kind of
revolution new deal was in a way
according to her i don't know if it's true
was the establishment kind of adjusting itself
adapting itself to on
this tension or whatever right
and she said the same thing is true for biden the expectation that
there's this fundamental collapse of the this is her worre according to her
that there's some kind of collapse of american estylishment going on
is a flawed assumption because american liberalism
is defined itself by its ability to mutate and adapt itself
to this kind of um
perceived source of its contradictions and then even she she pin
he said in a speech to communist party
counsraise i think
he said something like
we have in the past underestimated the ability for
capitalism
to adapt
in the west
he means like
is he for him he's referring to the socialist yeah as the chinese and he said
we are competing with the capitalist system in the west but
we've underestimated its ability to adapt
i think they're both talking pretty much
about the same thing
ah
at but to me
this opens an important question though
at what point what is the contradiction that
cannot be
assimilated or reconciled
ah by not only the american establishment but by america as a political
now
i would say it's the concept of a win win game
mike
a position just like the idea that there isn't always like that there is like
positive
cooperation right
because the models that people use
are these like game theoretic cyberdddict
bentha my
tucking
simulations
of like prisoners dilemma problems et cetera
where the best case scenario is like a win loose scenario
there aren't really win win scenarios
there's lose loosecenarias there's tons of lose loose scenreias
and then there's win lose scenarios
but there's no situation where everyone gets something out
it like is is benefited by a transaction
or whatever a lot of the times people make this out to be the case
when they're describing like liberal economics as being for in a positive thing
but they are't they'll
they have to deny right that like someone's being exploited at some point and
not
in the chain of events here
and
you know but
do you do you see what i'm getting at here i don't i don't know yes just h one moment i'm sorry i got a donation
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i deeply appreciate this statement datalus has made
the tensions uphold our stability materially this manifests in the military industrial complex
us creates more terroorsts to fight when none are left
yeah that's a good example actually yeah i could i was i was making a joke about that like i could tie this back to the
like the fact that stand up comedians right are being used
but if you could think of them
the tensions
all that exists like in a crowd like a stand up crowd are what
re are what you're there for
right like the tet there has to be tensions
in the society to like give voice to something so that then there's like the release of like laughing
at this sort of statement of attention or a grievance or something that's latent
in the society of the time
that's like the whole point of comedy
so that's like the real
warpedness of our system
is that we need to like preserve like a specific type of tensions
and we that model of what the tensions ought to be
is like produced by us but they're not what the how the tensions like actually are
so there is still this disconnect right
likelaing
that's why you know it'll be like let's say like a lot of like white privilege discourse or whatever
the real tension is between like you know poor people and rich people right
but that
we will play act this like fake tension scenario and then that ends up creating you know like
disaffected
like poor white kids or whatever for the most part
who who
thank
they're not the're like i don't have white privilege you know i hate the same people that you hate for the most part but like
now because we' we're we're acting out this
the this fiction
where this is the real tension in society like we're creating a tension
based off of that fiction acting out our positions within that fiction and that fiction ultimately
is the fiction of the state we're already in
you know um
i've also it's also got me thinking when you mention the that win win scenarios
is the kind of the blind spot i guess as far as american
the american system cannot adapted
it also makes sense then that
as opposed to this permanent state of tension and
antagonism which is the what the american state is used to being able to
reconcile its define itself by elevating itself above
isn't it also that
it kind of uh
country or civilization
that
can successfully
maintain
its own particularities
define itself not simply by
either an abstract a universalism or a
a permanent state of tension but a real kind of determinate
ah character civilization like for example china right china he at the end of the day is china china's existed for
thousands of years and so on and has a specific particular culture all this kind of things
uh isn't don't you think this is also a kind of a blind spot of american uh system americans uh american uh
i guess establishment system or america politically i guess
cannot afford
any recognition for
mmhmm
a universality that ex that
yeah
exists only in so far as it is particular determint
kind of universality you know yeah
we don't have
real identities is like this is sort of what i'm also getting at here right like
there was at one time a place called
the united states of america
and it didn't have a singular identity
it had various regional
and like sub ethnic identities
and little subclaves that existed
all into like there are different spots
and they didn't really have a national identity as such
in except in so far as like
they were all not
europeans anymore
basically
mm that's
pretty much all that there was to it the real divides
in like identity were based on like your sort of regional and religious
and in some cases that would be tied to like your political party affiliations and things like that those were like
the identity that existed
back in the day
bye
with the like
complete
like totalitarian almost construction of
the new media like that like ever like we built
we rebuilt this country on a fundamental level during world war two like the amount of coordination between industries
between like publishers educators like everyone it was
that was like the real biggest project
of the time way bigger than the soviet union or what nazi germany was trying to do like
we had the most collaboration like the deepest
it like you know what i mean that's like really
when we're talking about f d r it's like massive public works projects and things like that
but at the same time it's like part of this one of those public works was like
producing a new american identity
like and it one that had to be open and like
uh and
a
more
salable to
all of these new territories we've conquered
which had a really horrible idea of america prior
like the stereotypes of america in the twenties
are what i think to be ust like an accurate depiction of america where it's like oh it's a bunch of like
bunch of criminals and gangsters
and like prostitutes you know what i mean a con man
ah that's
that's all like that's america it's like that you know it's a it's a
trashy sort of place where everyone's like exploiting each other
that's how people understood america in the twenties
you know across the world that's what the american like media likes like if you look at
hollywood movies from one nine hundred twenty s compared to like the thirties and forty's
the depiction of the country is very different it's a lot closer to how we've started depicting the country again which is again like as this criminal fucking hell hole
where everyone's just getting murdered
you know like you know that's
that's how it really is that's like the soprano why the sopranos are like breaking bad like all these sorts of shows are so populars because
like they're actually engaging with the real
the real reality the real
america
that exists
you know uh
there is some
a lot of confusion especially among marks has left us
we hear the word socialism with chinese charactersic
as opposed to what's right
there's a famous saying you probably heard of it by earl browder right
a what is it
communism is americani ism in the
the twenty twenty century someon like that
it's kind of true
what we associate with communists of this kind of
flat
leveling of all
mm
particular reality and imposition from the top down of like a
complete
total ca total control everything
this isn't really what made communism unique in russia china yeat in fact the
the russians and chinese people don't know this
they imported
the reason that
they imported their
understanding of modernity
uh especially in the initial stages
from america
their model of modernization oh yes fundamentally american
and
the reason the soviet union would come to be the enemy of america
is not because it was this kind of
total state where everything was leveled and it was like
you know completeh no that was america the soviet union
was the enemy because it was the rouskis they were too russian they were too a
particular to kind of on
toy they didn't have they didn't listen to rock n roll and like by blue jeans and of course yeah that you know that to yeah they were too you
i guess what's the word traditional in a way conservative it's precise yeah yeah yeah
yees
yeah that's
that's
one of those fun ironies
yeah i mean i got like that
the soviet union right there were classicsists like they had ballet and chess
an opera
and you know they were dominating at all of like the aristocratic
sort of sports
from the like nineteenth century
whereas like america was the real
like this is whatcause you have said because youve said right that like you know people are talking about communism
it's really like you know it's for he said henry ford was the greatest marxist
be of the twentieth century in like a practical effect because
for it is't totally re like restructured
of like material relations like entirely
you know but the whole factory line model
zo but
mm
but yeah we
we
did have this sort of communism but like
like it's so dumb i hate using all these terms like communism socialism blah blah blah blah blah
because really it's all just like it's one crisis in the entire world
in the twentieth century on how to organize
like
of fucking a political economy right now like and how do there's not a word for like ok there's all these different pep projects going and people are all you know influenced by each other it's hard to fuck and draw the line it's all kind of
bullshit to me to be like which one is the real et whatever
but what's more interesting to me
is
that
in america at that time right we talk about the soviet union and like everyone has his opinion like you know ore people talk about china now and they're like oh but like you could be surveilled or arrested for
for doing x y or z
and it's like a no wen and like you know blah blah but like
in americas with that's all true everything they say is one hundred percent true of america and has been true of america
just as long if not longer
like you know talking about secret fucking private police forces that can arrest you like extrajudiciously
it's like we what's pinkerton what was like pinkerton agency
you know what i mean and like the nineteenth century
or you know that we talk about prisoner prison camps in china the soviet unions like we have those
like we have slave labor in prison camps we have a huge
prison population there's tons of people wo get
picked up by the fucking police for lord knows
what reason and are going to send to fucking work camps
like
but the thing is is that in america
no one believes you when you say that
whereas like if you said like you know if you said this sort of stuff happened in these other
like much worse countries or whatever like in the soviet union it's like hey the k g b is like abducting random people or whatever
people would be like yeah
everyone fucking knows that
you know what i mean
like
that wasn't a secret
really
yeah you know um
you know i i've also been thinking though but
as far as the
this kind of
false center in america is false
reconciliation of the biden ur
you know i
we have in america a fascination with
post apocalyptic literature post apocalyptic themes right
this idea that we yarn for it we want it to happened so bad to everyone wants
horrible shit to happen
but it's not to me it is not just horrible shitt but
they also all follow a specific model like
there is usually in all post apocalyptic games and literature so in america there usually is some kind of group which represents the old continuity of
american state right
or there are several but this group is just one warlord among the other warlords right
so to me the shift yet we're experiencing in america as far as the breakdown of meaning the breakdown of the trust in the m s m all this kind of stuff
it is happening ah
and it is leading to akind a kind of new
a
how should i put this what would be the word
a new kind of f
social i guess i would
social warlordism right
ah that we see on social media like
you have these influencers content craazors feudalism you know know they they may be giving their tribute to m s m but i think
in the coming years they're going to realize that this ises stablishment they're giving tribute to
is almost being entirely mediated by they them themselves right
this is a similar dialectic that happened with the rise of feudalism itself in relation to the
the roman empire right the
you had an increased level of
decentralization of the kind of enforcement of
the roman empire and its subsistence and then eventually
a these became lords and the lords realize that there is no real central empire we are the actual power of
the empire right
to me i have a crazy kind of vision about what's going to happen politically
in america in the coming years
and i'd love to know your thoughts
so
if you don't know yeah he me with it man
so uh
we know for example bernie he
initiated a new model for raising funds for electoral campaigns because in america we know
politics now is a as a fundraising game it's about how much money you can raise
because money's the key to everything y money's how you pay staffers money's how you
to ust you know you advertise it money super important right
and but also
the money is also a proxy for some kind of a
about some kind of social engagement and also some kind of ability to collect data
right
and these are all related
so bernie initiated this model the democrats began to adopt it so all of them did it kamala by it and they all started doing this model but then i re it then you realized something though
look at the current political influencs in america right
this influences in general
this is what they do
that model of
burnie small donations that's how they make the living that's how they make millions right
m
and here's the pune yeah here's the crazy thing right
and it's not just that they create they collect the money
they also have the clouds they they reach the at the same time they're collecting money they're reaching a huge
audience that they disseminate ideas to
here's the crazy fucking thingle it's not just the speculation on my part destiny the streamer destiny
he was actually involved in a political controversy
regarding canvassing in omaha his home state of omaha nebraska
and he was actually involved in a
concerts with a real world politics thing who is destined why is he involved
because he has
the our army online army and he has the
the money to
to channel
h
some priate
i think i mean it's small now and then vosh also has said he's planning on doing the same thing
im it's a horrible thing voss raised money for palestinian charity which is a very nice thing incredible thing i'd never condemn that
but you know he's also going to start doing that for politics in america too right
uh voutch
yeah i mean well that that just feeds again right into the n g o complex right yeah that but this is all been accounted for you know like this is
this this is now them being normal that's how normal politics work
is
that's how it's always works
like where we got to like
that even saying that it has to go to like a charity or something
in the first place is like a step backwards right because like
the more the more powerful you make these charitable institutions like honestly like
charity is not a replacement for
changing the foreign fucking policy
of the country
right
yeah like that's the real important thing the important thing is to like change the actual situation
and no matter how much money you raise for like relief
that's not doing the fucking thing to change the actual situation so w you really have right is i would say like
you look at these like quoe unquote mutual aid networks or whatever
's really like they're doing it for clout obvious yes like precise fucking free advertising you kidding me it's fucking great it's in more doing this like out of the
the pure goodness of their own hearts like it's like a feudalistic type of like pay patronage kind of on
like it's not there's no strings attached but the charity is a form of power
right in a way right you're exerting a level of well you havet to show it later you'd be like you like who are you telling me that i don't care i raise this much money for it's not just that but it's also like it's people people who a creates
they remember where they get their money from and you know that if this person's giving me money then
i'm inherently going to be more favourably disposed
to them right
you're going to have more influence and more clout over influencing me
if you know
uh so i think
to me my prediction is that
because i've been looking at what's going on with streaming before i started streaming and i've been noticing more and more
ah
how it's been evolving and how it's sen especially with the guy hassan on twitch
m
yeah he he's it he's a fascinating case i think he's very under represented in terms of how he actually
how much he influenced the bernie campaign i think he influenced it
way more than people
would give him credit for
but
to me the future that i see going ahead is a new kind of f
political warlordism in america
ah
not it will not replace the current machine established in machines but
this machine establishment is increasingly going to be offloaded
on to this kind of uh
warlordism because
think about how fucking crazy this is
even biden and mal all those people they had to adopt bernie's
monetization model or his fundraising model and before they would just collect big money from
special interests
but they realize you can get so much more just from small donations from a lot of people
right
it's kind of the maoist tack it's kind of like a maoist way of
thinking about raising money right
the more people the more sheer numbers of people
that's an
that has a kind of strategic yeah you know
that's true i'm just i'm so fucking skeptical and cynical man that like what what i think of
when i think of this right is that this is like oh yeah this is just like that what obama like the whole obama everyone has an i phone now everyone can be a canvasser and raise money for
the n g os
h that's this is
this is ultimately the end of that like i don't i still like
i feel
as if in order to really escape
the the dialectic here whatever just like what i think is like the false dialectic the sort of maintenance of tensions
i
you need to like create
independent systems themselves
like
this is like but always been the real trouble to this is you'll see
you start trying to do this
you'll get some fucking targets
put on your back real fasty especially when it comes to like doing independent like payment processing
or something
like if you could do like a payment process or
that was collectively owned or something like that
like you would you're going to have like people putting bombs underneath your car
like this is the real
the real battleground
is creating is like because yeah you're right like we have all these fundraising opportunities etc
but they're all still mediated and tied to
this institution like we don't actually own all of our media so you're band offf twitch for no fault reason pre sise now yeah so like we don't actually own
this sort of stuff
so it's worse like the closer we feel like we create these illusions that we do own this
that these profiles that we're creating on these
like corporate subsidiy media fucking enterprises
they really own everything that we do
we don't own any of that
they can get rid of it whenever
and that's the disciplinary function and also that is how it yeah everyone stays in line and also with the elimination of the
net neutrality you know you'd think ok you could just be like this is we're actually working on this believe it or not
we're trying to be more like destiny where he has his own website he just centralizes everything on his website
b
so if we get the platform by everywhere we'll have like a backup basically
but even then we doesn't show he he's like such a perfectly liberal right like he's created his ankguard party
you know his whole like an apparatus
its very funny if you think about it in a way because like you sad like
he's created like a constitutional monarchy eah absut was one
but you knoww like he's not even really it's funny to see that tension yeah but i'm go to go but even then though with the elimination of net neutrality they can just take your shit off the web
they can take your website down i do know that's what nick fuentees does right he has his own
his own website now because he got deepl en even from those fringe uh
what what's that de live he got even platform from de live you know
um
yeah
so he exactly there like
yeah there's no the like you can't but like the other thing though is that this idea for that platform
is also in its way impossible to create because
you create this like we've already went through so many experiments in the internet right that you create a platform that's just like
a fucking anarchy or whatever what it turns into is like scammers and like child porn etc etc yeah like
that's
that's why you can't even create like a purely open platform
but i think so there's i don't i do't think to i don't think there's any way around the geopolitical dimension of this
but we talk about creating alternatives
but there's no way that we can
abstract our what's going on geopolitically there's no
there's no like
there's no possibility here for this
or anti establishment forces i don't eed i don't care if they want to call themselves right wing or whatever
a
i don't even think these distinctions right now are that important
uh or not so much important but meaningful i don't really find that meaningful but if you're s if you
are situated outside the establishment america
there's no way around the fact
that you must align yourself with
the arrival polarities
of
china russia even iran these kinds of countries
you know you ca
it because uh
these represent an actual reality
the objective
a decline or threat to the american
establishment
they actually exist in reality like
as a solid basis for
it the anti establishment position you know
m
so to ea
but like think about anyone fucking knows about these places though
right yeah like that's what i mean when i say that like
particularly americans but i think that like west in general but particularly america is bad with like the a historical sort of amnesia
and just like lack of
knowledge but
but
that that lack of the geopolitical understanding of history just like the
the diminished world picture of like understanding america as like prior to you and determinative of
the rest of the world
is so
dominant
and everyone including bright you could even look at nick finis
like you could say he's a resisting to degree or whatever
he's mostly just like bad optics for for the the way the conservatives want to go
they they already have charlie kirk
they don't need him he's just causing problems he's
and he's not even that good at it because he doesn't know the real game you know he's trying to be consistent or something
the real game is what blying all the fucking time and changing your mind to fit whatever the fuck the mood
in the room is that he'd like
that's that's who's going to win in the conservative arena but
i don't think the people on the right have understood this yet
but charlie kirk is the future of the republicans
not any of these other fucking jokers
but even next one days
even cfintas
has this conception like he's like we need a new china
like
there's there's
the it's
you might as well be fucking you're just a shittier version well that's to be fair isn't that would richard spencer finally awakened to he awakened to that fact like
he he was a totally right he but you realize wait a minute america already is that country
already did it like oh right fuck yeah i love joe biden that's why i ha all that shit i was up to say down richard spencer is the only authentic
the supporter of biden he's the only one for whom biden is very happy to supportter
he he's s like running specifically to please richard spencer yeah a great job it's because i always say bidens a false reconciliation of america's contradictions
but where he's a true reconciliation is for this kind of
richard spencered white nationalist people it's like
he does reconcile their kind of whole itiological psychological ailment their kind of a
existential crisis there dialected their story
biden is the kind of messiah for them he kind of like heals their wound
you know
but yeah because by didn't
b din't
is a fucking white nationalist like motorars like you know he's working with like strom thrman it's like not even that complicate
you can tell from you know talks about here's the the irony with the whole kind of white nationals what white nationals don't understand
is that the biggest white nation was
are the so called laft
they are actually the real white nationalists
the people who
they are trying to appeal to the white nationals which are like a
the more rule america white people in america
they're not really you know the epitome of
white nationalism or white supremacy vgu
they they if anything do they have
traditions they have
you know customs they have
some kind of culture they had a
they're more earthly you know they're not really the epitome of white supremacy or white nationals whatever
it's literally the fucking
the very same people they consider their mortal enemies
those are actually the real
like
if there's such a thing as white supremacy it's them right
it's people who
yeah yeah liv like blackie youly the european
only the european forms of like liberal socialism
have a good morality in the entirety of history
coincidentally
it just so happens
that the the forms of like new left
liberal socialism
that was developed in the twentieth at middle of the twentieth century after world war two in the west
against like the stalinesst etc it just so happens
that this is
the only correct morality ever created
and it turns out it was created by
the like
like you know the burgoi of the time period right this is
this is that's what people believe like yeah the more you ratify this idea that like you know
the nine hundred sixty s or the social revolutions of the twentieth century where this sort of populace like for the benefit of all sort of things
like there's elements that of that that did happen right the sixties are really fucking complicated because
this was like how the establishment learned to
instrumentalized opposition
this is like the this was the first fucking battleground this was like the you know
running siops fucking having l s d through the country m k altra fucking serial killers allver god damn place
like this is
this was when
everything was going figured out like we how are we going to make a compatible life
like how we're going to recreate like this
these new things like what is the point of the whole hippie subculture like well how can we use this
to likel what ends can we instrumentalize
on all of this chaos that we're sort of creating within ourselves
and
that like yeat so like the more you raify that logic the more you're unconscious
then
the the more you approximate like the worst
excesses of it
but that's like you know a lot of those bread tubers right you know you know they they all h
they hate like african independent socialists like national sula or like black nationalists
like all these sorts of people are like you know
like eurasian nationalists or anything like that anyone
who isn't a part of
this sort of
just
bourgeois radical sheek
idiology which is
fundamentally like
trying to have its cake and eat it too where it's like the most hypocritical
two handed fucking thing you go you're the most rapacious capitalist of anyone
you're like financializing
fractures of people's identity or whatever
and
that but then you're also like you're that you're you're raising money for charity you're the most youan you have an n g o
you know so you've got to just balance those two things
you appear like biting he appears everyone saying is the most progressive president ever some fuckingshit
meanwhile the actual reality is like the so far removed in the opposite direction
that no one can even make sense of it this this distinction these
the more hypocritical the more there's a gap between these two things the better
like that tension also has to be maintained that's where a lot of money is
yeah yeah i mean um
it's
it's always a mystery to me you know i
i can't make the assumption because i just don't know but
how many of these people really do come from
like the actual state department
is osch
really an independent
concentreator or
did you know was he programmed
somewhere you know
was he manufactured somewhere
i
well we're all manufactured to to you know like toru red the more the morse the scarier thing right is like
they don't even have to know they don't even have to know if they're being instrumentalized or whatever
like that like no like you how would you know if like the someone was like oh like this person's rhetoric is like useful so we're going to like fucking vi you bought them
etcetera push us like how do you fuck and no like how do you know how organic your own impressions are or whatever like
you know you can be getting shadow banned at any time you can get banned like who who
what is all of this it's impossible to like fucking
hold it all together or whatever but
like that's why at least the abstraction of
like
i don't know understanding more in the abstract here is useful because it's like it doesn't really matter if lash is a literal cia asset or something
he's deputized one you know he's an unofficial one he he'll still fuck and defend them and like
run disinfo for them etcetera
yeah i mean
ya that's very true
to me it's really just at this point a matter of time
because i
i don't think the current political trends we see
are sustainable i think
from like a historicist perspective whatever right
uh this kind of uh democratic socialism quote unquote i think has exhausted its
uh relevance right it's
here's my s dialectic kind of ha gelian cynicism
to me
the whole
bernie sanders movement
the whole revival of so called socialism
only existed
you create something the democratic party
can finally
define itself against what i here's what i mean by this
it's a way of excising from the democratic party those elements which never had any material basis
or reality to me that's the
that's the meaning of socialism in america right now is basically like
just a pretty much a loser somebody who just itdmits they have yet the reality corral all of the
all of like the the worst people
to corral like you know all of
like the excesses
you know of liberalism
you know that mme of like willm
like the the kind of like crying so soyjack guy and then there's like
the chad face or the biden face that just like yes you know i mean you know i mean
yeah yeah i know like that's what happened yeh yeah i was doing mems
yeah i was doing meaves was like is like joe biden like pulling up in this like hot rod he's like
like his's auntifa i don't think she's your girl she's she's king to get a ride with me you know like
that's
that's the real that's the real reality is like yeah
the the these clowns the these clowns that are put out there
partial to like even drive people towards the center again to be like oh is this the alternative s so the two alternatives are like
fucking nazis or these like furry communists or whatever like i'm fucking check well number one i'm checking out or like number two
i'm just going to vote for the
that like the guy who seems fucking normal which was which was biden in that in that case
he seemed like it normal guy it's that is like you know what i mean you know average person but this is actually back to this kind of thing about comedy
that's precisely the the structure of what comedy is that's what it means to be the punchline of the joke
the leftists were here
when when biden got nominated they were saying all oh but biden's a white supremacist biden's just an old white man
bidens he's not even woke
and it's just like
dude don't you realize all you've done
is
you've
you've made yourself the sacrificial lamb
in whom
the democrats can finally rest easy
thinking about
knowing like
you are
you were that's like
the democrats performed an exorcist their george floyd on yeah exactly the forms for they performed in i get associated by the establishment
you get asphixiated
you get choked out yeah the establishment
and and then that same establishment will later be like wow like
did by and said the other day
like that was like he's like this is not martin luther king never inspired anything like the george floyd for like that
it's fucking madness man
like it's fucking crazy it's it's so fucking out blatant it's so out there and work that like they literally
they literally like
glory and gain power from
doing this from fucked
like you know they think they're choking about the're choking out the any sort of class politics in america that's what they've been doing but it is soaking us out and humiliating like it's associating with humiliating fucking spectacles
but you know it's specific also dialectic comedy where it's like
you don't realize that
all the things you as a leftist are complaining about
you're the very punchline of the joke like
the whole point is like yes all of those things
never had any reality
your socialism your even your woke politics
it never had any basis any reality
by you complaining about it you're just awakening to the fact
that you're the punchline of the joke
like
you are the you are the very
sight in which reason
in the heigelian sense is reconciled
right
you are you
you are wware
you are the you
the kind of uh
the dirty laundry of this reconciliation
like
by complaining about it you're just
slowly coming to the realization
that it never had in the reality to begin like oh biden
you're just an old white male you're not woke or you're not a socialist all thisse kind of things
and it's like
with the whole yes mem it's like
well yes youve you've precisely arrived
at the very reason
why none of those things have any reality or basis
like
you were the clown for thinking those things had any reality to begin with
you know what i mean it's that specific kind of
comedy and i think that is the fundamental structure of comedy in general right it's this kind of
it's this way of
it's this way of looking at the dialectic
the process of dialectic
which can be looked at in a kind of in terms of a tragedy or or a comedy they're pretty much like the same
structurally you know
yeah yeah
i feel you on that
yeah
it really has been a comedy it's been a farce
it's like
i don't i don't even know there's
what would count as a genuine tragic moment
and
i don't know the last five years of america
have there been any really like any like actual trad it just seems like everything is farcical
like even the worst things that happen
you know think of a fuck in
las vegas or something
even like the kind of absence of meaning of this is itself like farcical or like a commentary on
ben on america that like the largest shooting ever happened
and it no when no one knows yeat there's no still it's a complete mystery what the fuck that was even about no one has any clue
you're right
but you know what you know why this and the more you look at it the weirder it gets no one cares yeah
but you know you know why this moment specifically is so
h what's the word ominous and there's just such an
to me i feel a very ominous atmosphere in america like something
it's like the moment of dusk right it's a very like
oh its right before fucking creatures are out yeah it's like it's like ackle must it's like o people must have felt like right before world war one right
but to me in america yeah
it's because
you can see it and this is going to sound stupid you can see it in means right
you know what we're seeing is this kind of return of
you remember the rage comics in like the twoentand elevens the two thousand and twelves
yeah yeah yeah we're seeing like do you know the the kind of means we see now where it's like
the troll face but like the darker version and like it's these kind of like slightly more disturbing
version of or i i guess yeah i hate the anti christ christ yeah yeah that kind of shit
to me um
that that shows us the fact that we still act and believe as though we're living in the twoenty tens right now we still are
superficially we think we're in the twenty tents we haven't awakened to this new era
of the twenty twentyes twenty twenty a totally new time exactly and it's and the w is new a time is felt in my life and what is ominous about it is that
the establishment
at least superficially apparently
but also that the content creators the influencers the trends the fashions
and the people who have
built their empire off the twenty tenths
they are all on
the what is the
they're all on the cutting board they're all on the
w's the word
they're all on the chopping block
shopping block yeah yeah they're all on the chopping block
at the twenty twenties
is going to announce itself
at the expense of
it already has std yeah d the twenty twenty is announcing itself
is
the cia doing interviews about how they love improv comedy now
and there woke on sex work
and the rainbow flag flying with like goldman sachs and northrop grumman
and that's this is the twenty twentyes
like
i feel like this is this is one thing that's been driving me a little bit fucking crazy is like the left do weights
they think that the cia or whatever that none of these people could like be authentically engaged or devoted to liberal
a
cultural like cultural liberalism fundamental with how you know when they say this is their coke they'll be like
oh the cia's just appropriating it cynically yeah you the authentic thing it's st the appropriated version
no it's it is that it's that they it's the
that's the authentic thing that's what yeah undred percent people of this
it's not they're not bullshitting like that this is they're do being authentic as fuck and this is who they
get now this is
this was the creation of the cia this is like their project t all that's the sart of this they're so fucking silly dude they actually think
that theirre type of like derangement in bullshit
comes from below and at the
that they just get whitewashed no dude it comes all the way it comes from the top
like we can see how it all comes from the top you know it comes from
the kind of coll like the cia supporting
playboy magazine
is the same thing as only fans today
why not
not not like none of this is new none of this is fucking crazy new cutting edge stuff
it's literally the repetition of the same
over and over and over and over again
like
literally
being like a woke sex worker
like cultural liberal with like you know being like maybe i'm like i'm even not even like let's ask let's talk about both sides of communism or whatever
like the real last liberals
those are real last liberals right real st liberals are often the ones who are like ok yeah let's
let's actually talk about the soviet union or communism even more so that i can talk about how it's even worse th the system you knoww do you know what
ya
but i'll give it like the benefit of the doubt so like you that's how you know i'm like a reallass fucking liberal
so like yeah i support democratic socialism and i think that everyone should have the freedom to have a playboy magazine
we should abolish the family i think it's a little questionable you know
the this politics isn't revolutionary none of this politics is new
this politics is the creation it's the coming to fruition of this sort of social liberal
socially liberal
but above all else
identity
individualism
which is based on like fundamentally like
you you're maximizing your rights to
to pursue happiness
or to pursue satisfaction to pursue your desire and you knowit is the real
the real idiology but you know here's what is so sad
blook
this isn't just true for the liberals it's also true for
i think almost everyone in america right
this revival of socialism communism
has nothing to do with any kind of real link
to these traditions
it has everything to do
with
this being the quintessential form of political satanism
short of nazism
the break
but these liberals they will call themselves socialists they call themselves communists
not because that's actually what they are but because the right wing in america specifically the
the the republicans
have fear moongered about socialism and communism for years and years and decades and decades
it and in the same way that they fearmongered about satanism i mean the republican and stuff
the left
a so called left
they just adopted this and it's like a statement of defiance against
you know the the the so called the
conservatives it's a way of transgressing
they
they call themselves communists only in so far as for them it triggers
republicans if they had any notion of
real communist history anything like that
they would be the
it would call it fascism they they wouldn't find a distinction between it and what they consider in their head
to be fascism
but
you know these specific letters
you want to know something
so this channel is a marxist leninis channel right
from the very beginning
the ones who have
given us
trouble
we're leftists leftoids
we didn't get any trouble from right wingers i mean the
they may have not n oe they're the real bad
they're the worst no this is this is something
i like i want to i'm going to go down this is like a hot take right
but if you want to look at
who is doing the real analysis of like the media
as it as a material institution of like a institution running it like
capitalist
like pet interests
sociological social engineering
fucking
creating consumer profiles
all this sort of stuff like following this like the are like you know that like marketizing sexuality and like you know
turning it into you know all these sorts of things like that a lot of the cultural liberal project is really just creating new fucking fields for capitalism play and calling that liberation you don't
but
but like the real people following a lot of this
were like the christians in america a lot of like the countercultural like
under like this is why alex jones says a lot of things that are true
because there is this this this like
this authentic
american understanding of
the sort of to talllitarian nature of the liberal state
it's just that a lot of this
gets described as communism
what like that's the like when i think that a lot of the times when most people like the layman is calling something communism what they really mean is sort of like woodrow wilson liberal
internationalism
like they they're like the u n is a communist organization etc you know what i mean you know and it's ok so yet so i can actually work with that like yeah
like
if that's what you mean by communism like you mean like yeah then like this is
but it sucks
because like the opposition or whatever to that sort of system
also tends to call itself communism
so like you have here the two elite segments you have the like
liberal internationalists
who are like we are the real vanguard party of communism
so like the u n is really communism that's the troskyist that's like how you become neo cons fundamentally
on that sort of side of the left in america
is god they go where the communist country the american like anglo liberal global order
is the most progressive force in human history we're liberating all the people
you know
all of the eurasian despots
like they're not actually in communist they're faith communists w're real com
right in history i
communists
you know this is what you mentioned about the right wingers being
you know this is all you know this is always been the case though it's always been the case even when it comes to socialism
most socialists
a mushroom thank you so much mushroom donated donations
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but historically speaking
mm
socialism was very much
in large part at least was a reactionary phenomenon
it was a reactionary phenomenon and in great part not entirely i guess but in
in great part socialism was a very a
there was feudile like people wanted to hold on to they wanted to you know thats it was it was it was anti modern phenomena socialism
marx marxism's rejection of
reactionaries and i guess conservt it depends on what we mean by conservatives right
in a sense i'm a kind of conservative right
but i guess the marxist opposition to conservatives of the time
was not that
they were some mortal enemies
h if you actually read marxs and angles
if for example angles
ha published a review of thomas carlyle's book
and his his work
and what engle said was that
when you look at english literature today and you look at the wigs something like that the liberals of the time
you see
uh
you see people who are devoid of human reality they're devoid they're like a
they're like plants they're they're they're you know mechanical they're they're just not they're anti human
he said
you have to look at people like carlyle the tories to find any semblance of humanity of human feeling of
appreciation for world history for and engles was speaking as a german and you know
and the idea is bas again was they don't know anything about
you know the german philosophy the the
this kind of on
richness and wealth of mankind
it's expressed to german idealism
the germans think all the english have no notion of this kind of spiritual
debt
but engle said no among the
tories there is something there
a but the marxs marx in engles is rejection of
the conservatives i guess
was not that they were some kind of evil enemy but that
there
opposition to capitalism
and to modernity was a failure and a vanity
they understood why conservatives in reactionaries rejected capitalism rejected madernity
that made perfect sense to marx and was of course these are evil
the horrible things that are happening there's no dispute about that
marks and angles only a
difference was that they didn't believe that conservatives could ever be or i guess reactions could ever be successful
in overcoming it
but
would you have leftist to day his was disgusting leftist to day
but
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onm but anyway
what's disgusting about leftist today
is that they don't
think
this kind of uh
modernity or so called progress
is a something horrific and traumatic and bad
they just on ironically identify with it as good
you know like
oh yeah all of this b literally get off on it yeah yeah it's a sadism the for them oll this whole breakdown of reality this whole like
all that is holiest right
all this is a wonderful thing it's and i fully identify with it and i fully want to
you know perversely i
embody in incarnate this was never the marxis icion marxists never were out here saying that
the land inclosures
and all that kind of and you know the the british colonization of ireland all that kind of shit
oh or sorry not consation like the the massacre at glen cole and during you know the cromwell all that kind of stuff
oh yeah all those things are just great those are good
no mark is understood these are
these are disasters these are catastrophes these are
these are things where like the world ends for people where the world breaks down it's a horrific thing
marxis
are only associated with the
so called progressivism
because
they
insist that there's like some kind of life after death
right that
that the catastrophe of modernity somehow can be redeemed and turned into something
something else and can have a different meaning
but as to the question i would say i would say
dude i think it's worse than that i think it's much worse than that yeah
what i see it as is that the modern leftist like whatever we're fucking everyone knows what i mean like
i hate all this terminology itts so fuck because everyone use it twelve different ways and you have to say
as they would self describe as leftists in specifically america
when they're really just like radical liberals or whatever that's what i mean when i'm saying leftist
those people they don't see that there's really any problem
fundamentally
they just think that we actually need they actually need to force everyone to adapt to the techno cultural situation that they believe is already and they believe that like
it's even worse like i they believe already
that like you know all these mutual aid networks etc that they're making by raising money at
even sort of as you were saying they think that like just doing that
just fully having everyone change like
take
conform perfectly to the new media infrastructure that we've created once everyone conforms to this
then
we can well well
like then we'll have communism
or whatever then we'll build a narcosyndicalism blah blah blah whatever the they think and you know it's even worse is that
they do consider
there being there's a problem
but to them the only problem
is the actual human beings the broad majority of people
who are experiencing these changes as a collapse of meaning and as a disaster as a catastrophe
they consider them the problem that the people who were i guess youriting it during jt january sixth the capital oh everything's fine we're on the run the long road to progress
we just have these bad undesirable elements you know actual humanity
who's getting in the way
ah populace with the fifty thank you so much ma'ampreciate it appreciate it so much ma'am
you have no idea man what it means thank you so much
appreciated
oh sorry i was a
yeah like because because they're that they're the people who aren't trying to liquidate the entirety of like
you all these people are you could call them digital natives or something right
like the there they're
they're so in mash
in this media infrastructure
that's the primary means of socialization i mean that's true of a more and more of us as each time goes on
but they're saying like
fundamentally that you know these backwards people who aren't on the cut bleeding edge of
of
creating their identity within the frames of this
hyper modern infrastructure
like you know someone who you know maybe they just like listen to the fucking radio and they like don't have a t v because
they're like bible believing christians or whatever and they're like kind of
like gloodites even
to the yeah like
those populations aren't even considered
like they're just consid they're considered like
leftover a the dinosaur species
that are just need to go extinct
right like they're not even considered like
like are is there a what way of life or anything worth preserving like there's not even a question
that like what like they're say it doesn't matter whether or not they're worth preserving like i don't have they don't just they don't exist on you tube
so
who fucking cares
that's
that's like the real leftist world like they have the sort of superiority
con like in superior fucking conception or whatever supremacy
but it's for
like the most
it's the most fashionable the most people the people both tied into
the identity construction on on
it's modern social media
yeah yeah precisely
ah and it's almost a kind of um
i don't know if you can call it a genocidal attitude what do you call it where
youre getting to this point in which
instead of experiencing any type of self criticism whatsoever
the so called leftoids and the liberals alike
ior just to have this kind of extermination beus if we just get rid of these
as so call religious people and reactionary conservatives
everything will be fine we just need to get rid of them you know like we just need to
we need a
he writ you know
what else do you call that you know it's like
it epitomizes the worst
attitudes even of uh
colonialism european colonialism is precisely the
the kind of bo
the kind of way of thinking that prevailed
and during the worst excesses of the
the british uh
against scotland and iland ains the lands and yeah the british empire
we're so good at at
getting
everyone for the most part to be like well they were the least bad form of colonialism
like you know i mean like this is so how these people argue at the end of the day its like they'll be like well you know like
maybe you're saying that i'm like a a narcosyndicalist but that's the least bad
form of communism like we have it like oh you we didn't have gulags or whatever because it last like my ideal society was this like
this tent someone put up in a state park for a fucking week and call it a micronation or something like that's
these are the way people these people argue
but their their views aren't are that they're not based in any sort of material reality or like a tradition to pass on
it's the tradition that they want to pass on is
having a completely custom fucking
identity creation video game fucking sliders
alter like thatat fashion of
it's just customization world it's i want to be able to constantly you know fucking
update up update my my lue boxes and shit
that's
that's the real thing is like why why aren't there femolyle boxes like like i need more positivity and identity affirmation and all of my consumable products
and in my media because i don't have a reality that exists outside of these things
i think what we're witnessing is this kind of
you know the the movie of our time
is that stupid movie
sophia copola her marie antoinette movie
and the reason is this
she made marie antoinette into someone relatable
for
on a popular level right she's finally re all these girls can relate to her
but that's what it's a kind of a mass cretinization
and a mass uh i guess what do it called
marie antoinettea effication of
uh this kind of uh social media users
and people have this become this kind of
while at the same time they're indulging in all this consumption all these stupid cultural trends
they don't realize like they are literally as
oblivious as a
mariy antoinette there's literally people outside of the
the palace of versailles they just don't see them you know
oh no they're cheering on when those people died like this is what was really getting me did you see the ak e mails from
the it's like the opioid case i forget i don't know if it was fucking pfizer or like the oxycodon pretty much for all these
i hold that thought once again i there all these
yeah
i just got it ill do you find ity yeah
voidburn thank you so much for the twenty preci a man it's like you said before has they are not or the masses they are afraid of them despise them even
i think your comparison of eurocentric neo colonials mentality to the western leftist one is accurate thank you ma'am appreciated woodbrin
but i'll starty w i caing go on
yeah i found it i found it so i'll just read this a little this was a news that came out like a little bit like a week ago five days ago whatever
so uring the trial of pharmaceutical firms accused of illegally flooding west virginia with opioids
some of the e mails leaked
um they they ha there are people coming up with songs
about a poor mountaineer named jed who barely kept his habit fed
according to the verse jed traves travels to florida to buy hillbilly heroine
they have all these jokes
amongst themselves like talking about the pill billies who are making them rich
like there's e mails from within the staff talking about how like
i guess some of them have started to learn how to read once the lawsuit was coming up against his
like
these people like
i guarantee you those people like their pride pretty progressive and donating to a lot of course yes
that hundred percent price someone
like
that's the reality of the situation is that social liberalism is just this
factory for it's a if this position you take on so you can launder all of your other
shitty and a horrific and dehumanizing opinions
and you can hold yourself as like morally above and superior to
people who have like potentially more socially conservative moras or moraut morality in their minds because it's like if you're a christian you can't really ever
justifiably
ha just adopt all of like the liberal social mors because you're committing yourself
to a good a truth that is revealed outside of your own personal preferences
it's not about like what you prefer to be true
if you have this sort of commitment to
a religion or a way of being
that is not just determined by the marketplace right
but these people that that's what they need to liquefy
they need all of these people to start adopting their right to create their identities as something to purchase in the market and not something that's even like
inherited or just like innate in or like even based on a sort of conviction
or
a conversion of some sort
that it's all supposed to be like yourself created
identity
like any identity that you're you're adopting
that isn't based on your fund like your sentimentality i guess
but based on like your reason even
like you know is
is that's reactionary right
these hillbllies like
they need to die off because they're always going to be hillbillies and hillbillies are always going to not be doing the right thing
like we need like they're never going to look they're never going to turn their identity
into like they're not going to become individuals like us
because you know they're not arguing about what's what's the right form of leftist anarchy or whatever the
in but we know though that
this whole complex which is weighing upon
this conservative rule america
ah
the paradoxically parasitically relies upon
the same people it wants to demonize
eno in this genocidal way like
it has
it's illiberalism i say liberal culture
has no substance
it can only and you can makes this point he's onorsent right
it can only define itself in relation to the negation of traditions
but when it is a
faced with the reality of the
of uh inventing something new some kind of new uh
tradition some kind of new norm some kind of new mors
it must invent them
and artificially
which creates some kind of a
strange uh quote unquote totalitarianism like
everything is created from scratch all of our behavior is created from scratch all of the ways we interact as human beings
has to be legislated now
contractually and explicitly
from scratch
well those the way i put it like that it's not even that we're given orders that it be actually less to talllitarian in my opinion if we just got talking what the marching orders were
like this is the new reality like this is what all of the fucking major industr industrialists in the billionaires of all fucking decided is going to happen
and you're just going to shut up and fuck and do it no
we don't do it that way what we do is we create like
we create the situations like we organize like the architecture
of the space that you inhabit
to funnel you
towards certain des ands and decisions
and like because the because when you when you feel the sense that you're making decisions
for yourself
that you're really f you're actually just following like a trail that's been laid out for you
and like you know it's like in disney world like
the musics the music's scientifically the
like designed to like sound like to propel you in a specific direction or it's like the way
course
fre's out where it's like
these colored lines on the ground are going to draw traffic
over to hear what this sort of behavioral engineering
is really
what is like
that's what we're up against right
because that is what
really sorts people out and that's what creates
even the sense that people are people take it ownership
of their of their of being guided through life
all the time
like
they're being guided
in their decisions and in their interpretations of things
but every but like
that's the heart biggest hurdle to get over is
having being able to be like oh like i
getting fucking dube
like i'm capable of being duped
like i'm not that smart
you know what i mean like i fall in for this stuff like oh they got me
like when like the marketers actually got to me
you know what i mean
like me
when we deny that we are suggestible
that's
that's the real problem of liberalism it's like
this idea that like
you know
i guess they make they make some sort of clauses for like you know if you're a true like elite liberal then you're not suggesting
give
you
gott rid of all the suggestibility inside of you
and now you can program the people who are suggestible
so that they can h you know
well it's not just ability it's just trusting the science you know it's just a
it's rejecting fake news and trusting the science the true authorities you know
that's being a critical thinkers when you uncritically accept whatever the people in power tell you
that's a critical that's critical thinking
yeah i mean um
you know it is this new kind of h reflexivity this new mindfulness this new conscientiousness where
people see fit
what we have in common
all everyone politically has in common is a breakdown of
trust and guarantee in what the t v is telling us more or less right
so on the one hand you have people who are coping and saying oh the t v was always right we just have a few cove ots we have to add and some detours we have to explain
these are the people who who have the
they love fouchi and they trust the science oase kind of people
then on the other hand you have the q and on and the other kinds of people who
are seeing a
that this is just the tip of the iceberg the rabbit hoill goes much much deeper
n
that
and yeah
they're the close they're closer to the truth though
absolutely absolutely they are they are absolutely
i mean i don't i think the
would it wait sorry we just got some breaking news blue hair reported you for what
what are you talking about
sorry we just have these weird
which people that
stockers
sorry uh continuing though
uh yeah they are um
i don't know uh some qee and on to me seems like h
ity's
created from above right
specifically and it also spes what i mean that's what i mean it was guiding that sort of
that a legitimate a legitimate situation a legitimate reaction to the situation that was based on like a same response where it's like
oh this stuff is all fucking fake and it is being controlled by people
like that's a legitimate response there's a you feel that way for a good reason
rape
but that discontent is then
like again like
curated and filtered and directed through the sort of like r p g
like this is why i think that like again i'm bringing tying it all back
to the fucking improv comedy thing right
because like that' sort of
what the whole kuan on thing was was like we're going to set
the basic lines of the scenario with a lot of things open to interpretation and then people that open to space
for people to like yes and
this proposition and in this scenario to develop
puing your ongy of it
the difference is i can actually have a conversation with those people
i cannot talk to you
the doctor fouy lover type of people who
or the the trust the signs bump i i mean
i can't talk to them like i literally can't have i can't have a conversation with
those type of people but i can talk i can i disagree with them but i can talk to those two and on people you know i can
we can when we'll agree about a lot of things and i can i
you know
yeah i can know these the liberals don't actually believe in anything yeah at the end of the day
they bre or open the tensions or everything it's like it's like tating them when you talk to leftoids and liberals
you're not really talking to a human being you're talking to a c c t v camera
you know
that's really the truth of the matter
they never actually acknowledged the fact that
you know at the end of the day we're both human and
whatever's going on up there we really don't fucky knowo you know
that's what i that's
i you know cq and on people they understand that but when you talk to these like liberals or leftoids
it's literally a c c t v camera that just
embodies some kind of
official line and there's
no way to get through that and actually talk to them as human beings
you know
yeah they'll just call you like a terrorist or something for like not but like oh you don't believe this like you don't trust this
oh like why like how what do you like you know what i mean
that that's all they have like they're just
they're just confm they're perfectly conform to the machine and honestly the perfect liberal
but the end goal of liberalism when you finally ascend as like a complete like perfected liberal youre
being apatheosized into the heavens of liberalism you realize that
there actually aren't answers to anything
and that there's just always these tensions and you know they go which way or whatever who does and
the only thing that you really know is
but that no one knows anything which is why we all need to be able to talk about it
we also need to make sure that people don't try to
to
to shut down our conversations you know this is also the kind of the
what you can look at this and in many ways like you can look at it in terms of the
even something like the philosophy of science right
like
with the a british kind of view is the
with empiricism is that there nonetheless the
reality is empirical you can feel it you can touch it and look at it whatever it's like
it's observable right
at the american view is actually a
it's exactly what you said this kind of what is the structure based on tension i forget the name
and
the ten segrety ten segreatey yees
that's also how they view a philosophy of science like you know when the philosophy of science
they no one actually believes there is the object is empirically
verifiable anymore
of empirical verified
verifiability is a very archaic view
what they now believe is that there's a st structural it's this
the reality the consistent reality isn't measuring some kind of
empirical object but just the very structural ah
the very consistency whate whatever that object is gives to the structure
the apparatus that's observing it it's structural realism all that kind of stuff
that's that's also the view in the pilosophy of science it's also the view in the
analytic philosophy in general right
uh we don't they don't spekyh it's kind of like functionalism exactly yeah it's
uh it's no longer this kind of uh
even impiricism is too metaphysical
w the american view you know
yeah because like what's great is empiricism if you go far enough
with empiricism this is like why haman
translated hume to cont
was because if you go far enough with empiricism then you doubt like causality and things like that eventually you have to like
then affirm like the data you receive from your senses or however you want to put it
as being a kind of revelation from an ultimate reality
so you end up just confirming like
normal the like normal ear least pretty normal christian theology at the end of the day
that like
you do it like you receive revelation from ultimate reality
like you know i mean like and that's why we have like common sense
that like that's how any like
because we actually are like
are seeing and things isn't like
entirely faulty like you know things have like fallen to a degree
but like you do engage with an ultimate reality like directly
yeah this was also kind of uh
what spinoza
what about um
i'm sorry what k thought about spinoza right
not in terms of empirical relation but in terms of the intuition for con
spinoza thought you could just directly access
the sublime reality
with no discontinuity just directly thugh by means of the intuition
and
so uh
it's interesting also this is kind of a detour this like super big detour but it's also interesting that there's a strange
kind of uh how should i put it
proximity to me between hume and spinoza and under
developed the proximity
to me both of them bear in common this
they give expression in different ways to a similar
similar object or similar substance
yeah i just i would call it like this is they're like road signs on like the the
they're like steps on the way to nihilism
yeah i think that like precise nihlism is the
is the ultimate culmination of
the enlightenment project
and nihlism again like term invented by like jacoby and haman
to describe like
there
their opposition to spinoza
basically
um
because they're saying that spinosas is like another just direction towards nihilism it' all culminate in like a sort of nihilist
a cosmicism even
and i think that i see that play out all the fucking time
like i honestly think you know
whit
we're like that like nihilism being a real lasted fucking nihilist
is the ultimate liberal expression right like they were like if you wanted to be
the best pundit politically right now
you would want to believe in absolutely fucking nothing
and you'd want to just have really a really good ability to like pantomime and like ride trends
and keep
your exact
interpretations or like
a loyalties to things very
ah
accluded and like kind of
difficult to parse
but like just writing the moment at any given time
i mean the perfect nilist
of course i mean uh
if you you know when you think about it's like
nothingness right this kind of moment of negation
is also the moment of reflexivity right it's where we become detached from reality
and we we
we dwell in a reality kind of above
whatever maybe the real one is right
and of course the the object of
enlightened and maybe even renaissance that's a little bit more complicated i guess more and the world more ambiguous to be honest
is is this neosm according to which the only reality consists in the
yes
is the
detachment because
when you think about it
the way in which reality is mediated to us
a involves a certain moment of that very realityes negation
and with he enlightenment and with modernity
we cease to differentiate the way in which reality is is
certain to us and
mm
reality itself
what reality is itself
any any certainty of
any certainty of
just objectivity that something is out there
is associated with some kind of oriental fanaticism
which is why communism from the get go
maybe not from the getko but at least in russians
the geto was is filtated with typical uh oriental fanaticism like these communists
truly do believe there's something there there's something beyond some kind of
sublime right
it's a you know it was very easy for
the west western thinkers to just look at that and be like o ok yeah that's just
a return of the
the turks or something
you know
or the gangas khan yeah yeah
well it goes you know but like you can go really far back and look at like the boxer rebellion or a lot of these other like uprisings and stuff
and i
you could see like
like these are the people who like you know they are moving history forward because the they're willing to like risk their lives for something whereas like i don't think
like what are look at the idiology of today as
nowadays like the american soldier
will risk their lives
to become a soldier
to fulfill their self id like to filfill their personal
world meeting or whatever they're not even doing it like in you look at like an ad for joining the chinese army and it's like
like serve the people
you look a an ad for like the american army and it's like
manifest your dreams at the army you know
that cartoon ad or whatever
that the what was that is the c was was the military there was like this cartoon of what there's no there's the d o d yeah they had one too yeah yeah
it's
absolutely fucking
it's just that hideous aesthetic you know just absolute hideous aesthetic
but that's like supreme nihilism to it where it's like where it's sort of like almost
where it's like oh yeah like i know the american military you know whatever
it does some good and it does some bad you know it's hard to say
uh but i'm i'm doing that i'm doing good work in the people that i work with there we're all doing good stuff
and and you know what i get health care and after this i'm going to go work for a think tank
you know i weig a big fan the way i see l g b t being integrated in the military
the reason it doesn't
i don't even make anything of it because
look
if you look at
you know the whole abul ghar
scandal right
in iraq
if you if you looked at the way the soldiers were treating those prisoners
they were manifesting the quintessential free
cartesian subject
they were engaging in all these obscenities it was all a joke they were laughing they were making fun scenarios of it
why not include l g b t among them why can't they also be h trans or lesbian or what like's it's just an extension of the same kind of amorphous
a substanceless subject
which has been a
which is the which is the american military from the very beginning you know
ah
like
well listen man
you got a bunch of people who are really tech savvy
who studied sociology or something in college gender studies whatever
very online extremely good at collecting intel encounter intel
amongst their fucking like discord things
to have multiple identities
right and have managed
living with multiple identities
they want to get government health care so that they can get transition surgery and this is their skill set
who's hiring these fucking people
who do you think wants these people
who do you think like
this idea that like oh
it's almost just like trivial that it's specifically trans people or whatever no like in like the new in the new
game of like cyber warfare or whatever
these people are vastly over represented amongst like computer scientists and and the hackers and and things like this it's like part of like this countercultural
thing that is trying that like
this is the
what's being instrumentalized here
is
is that
there's all these people there's a lot of people there's that's a whole class of people
right like everyone knows who i'm talking about and thinking about
yeah yeah i mean m
uh ya i mean uh
it's it just goes to show though that
all the kind of political alignments we take for granted right now in america
i mean
i all like for for you just mentioned like nick fentees he wants to
he talking about new king china
well you don't see this shit in china you know you won't find this dumb bullshit in china or or russia or whatever
so it's like
that's why i say that currently in america the current political distinction between right it's completely meaningless you know these people don't know what
you know these people don't even know what they want anymore they don't even know what they're about anymore
you know
they don't know that what the country they live in is yeat this is what i'm saying is like
like
we can't like they don't even have
an understanding of the country
that they live in and what it really is
and like how it really works
and what it exists to do
and like the part and like the bok global kind of networking of like the british empire or whatever however you want to put it
five eyes all these people
how all this was set up
what it exists to do
and
like if you don't understand that shit
if you don't even understand the country in which you reside and the time in which it was actually founded
like you know you think that this is all like everything that's happened in the twentieth century is just like
oh you know random you know people's protests from like you know things just happening you know whatever we get we got some rights
or something
because people complained about it on the news
im
this this sort of non history a historicism
means that whatever you come up with is going to essentially affirm the actual reality that you have no clue or contact
that's it
so
it doesn't really matter what anyone's saying if they don't if they're not talking about actual fucking history
if they're not like listen likem look
you look at the fucking people who are in charge here
let's look at the names
whatlet's fucking network this out
who was paying you for what
that's the only like that's the basis
for a conversation about what we live in
as a country
if you don't do that shit
we don't have that shit
we're not talking about that stuff
then we're just
we're just engaging in like
a theatrical production of sentiments
and we're just trying to produce like
sentiments that we can capitalize right that's pretty much it
yeah i mean um
it's also important to network
because when we use the word estatush we also have to think
what
more precisely are we talking
if we can know names if we can know the institutions we can know
our hurdles we can know our own obstacle
like we can know what stands in our way basic
yeah but it's like
this is like pretty much all of the false futures all the fake utopias
that exist on like the right the left
you know i was liking uh when you were you were making fun of like all of the vapor wave influenced fucking
aesthetics on on every side of the the extremists or whatever on the internet
like it's all the same aesthetic vocabulary like all these people are the the same they're
but from the same social milluse
they just go they just like
uh decide on different aesthetics right like
you know that's the real difference is is uh it's it's like a lunch room and you pick your
you pick your subculture
your little subcultural phantom table or whatever and you define yourself by these specific fashion choices maybe
what language you use
but that's about that's about it
the class relations are all the same all these people are all the same
we all went to this you know
fucking overly internet socialized
diating
internet people
you know that's just the type of person now
and
fundamentally
more similar than not
uh all over the spectrum
but we create all these false visions amongst ourselves
so that we have something to
you know fight over
and you know once you and you you create these territories right you create this little overton window map like
and you claim like i own this territory like i'm the
the best liberal or whatever
early i'm the best democratic socialist and h
it's five times you n knoww and like
were we're actually literally larping
on this virtual reality plane
of the confines of liberal discourse
like
and we've turned it into a fantasy kingdom you like
people it's fucking wil man we're playing d and d
on that like this
this
lit this like liberal discourse map
and it's like everyone's casting spells at each other man
like that's the reality of it
but i still nonetheless think something is going on you know with this kind of birt like
this in it is going somewhere in terms of the
the evolution or even dissolution of
liberalism
you know like
i always uh
like to remember that
the virtual has a dialectic relation with the actual
you
m
so to me it's like yeah well it like feeds into itself because but the thing is is that like
it matters because what people believe
what they believe like the waight the the world that they imagine they're acting in
also determines how they act in the world
right like there is that sort of yeah
the relation
so
this is like the thing if people believe
that they live in the sort of video game cosmology and that like if you have a political opinion
you can either you can define it on a scale of authoritarian to libertarian left right
and then you know you just define yourself in that little category you look on a wikipedia the total category of like oh i'm a
i'm a libertarian socialist
so i'm going to go to the libertarian socialism section and it's going to list all these different things
and i'm going to like go pick and choose which one i think is the rattest aesthetic for me to fuck and play up as
i'm going to read those specific things
and i'm going to pretend to get involved in m
debates that happened in the one nineteunenthd century and pick a side where i'm likeh actually i think bkunan was right in this letter as you see
and and this is
this is it that's it you know and you to see the same thing with being on the foe right you're like you're like
well you know actually
hitler was not even really a national socialist i'm more of a fan of anglbert dolpus and you know and etc et cetera
this is a that's what it is it's little phantoms and fan clubs
like where we're all fucking harry potter houses man
and we'll we need to burn it down we need blow it up the that's the only
that's it that's all i got here's the interesting thing though you know
i was told in china
it's more explicit what you're describing when on the internet in china
people will literally
mm
debate each other
about the gil form
identities and clubs in the factions
based on history like
like the ottoman empires and's going to be who are pro ottoman their anti and this is not a contemporary issue it's just based on his
right
you'll you'll find so much of that in i'm told in chinese internet
but here's the difference is that
in china everyone recognizes that at the end
at the end
there is a real center that is somehow
h determinate and partial it's the
the state the chinese state and the communist party right
that is the ultimate kind of a center the ultimate point of reference everyone recognizes they're just within that
no one thinks
online on the chinese internet you know no one really thinks they're outside of that they all recognize we're a part of this
policy
this is what's deranged about america and the american internet is that
everyone thinks that this little uh
a conflict going on in the internet
that this is actually the site of real
conflict of political yes like they actually think this is where
but history ho politics is happening
they don't understand that no you are all immersed in the same
ality basically you are all just
you are all in the same egg
right you're just cracks on the same egg
you know
you can put it
yet it's the only type of power they understand right it's just because of how alienated and how literal litterle
anyone has like even a
even like a boomer who bought a house or something there at least have like an understanding of politics where it's like i own things
yeah you know
whereas like even now in a millenniual they came like listen like real estate prices that's the basis of like real
history is or whatever because
they don't own anything
they have nothing what they have
is their identity
that they've created on the internet
that is our property
and we don't even own those because those can be taken away from us at any time
with like no real
real
like we can't do anything you know and that's why
for us we've always said the real essence of socialism is land reform
and when we say land reform we don't necessarily maybe it does mean that i don't know doesn't necessarily mean
reparsalization of agricultural land but it is this
fundamental
ah
redistribution or reparsalization of ownership over the policy like actually having
some kind of meaningful equity
equity yes some kind of meaningful equity in the po we they're ruining that word i don't know if you've noticed this ay yeah i know i has been adopted it's like now it means like uring the meaning some social justice bullshit basically
they mean by now
it sucks so bad dude yeah
it sucks so bad
because there's a no better word for what we actually want pretty much es
again we want a fucking own
it's parts of
to the country like for i'll give an example in china for example they're changing it now but
how it used to be in chinae that
the equity of the this is why china is a people's republic because everyone has some kind of equity in the form
of uh they have
family and the basis of family not individuals some kind of a lease there's no no one owns land in china you know but
you have the rights to the use exclusive rights to the use
of um
agricultural land smallholding of farms and pretty much everyone in china
add that
's at some point that was their equity right and on that basis they were wealth was able to be built
now they're changing because they want to change the agricultural policies and they want to give people a
single unit apartments homes and that's going to be their equity but
none less there's this is why there's a you know it's a people's republic it's socialism
because
the chinese people have an equity in the state they actually
not only in the form of those ownerships either but also in the form of the fact that the
there as economic subjects
the state serves them the state
only acts on their behalf you know
a but in america there's yeah and i mean in america there was an informal equity not a formal equity
but an informal equity
and that equity
was
the union that unionized blue collar industrial post war job
that was the end you know you could have your house
your white picket fence
your lawn your car and you could raise a fshwasher yeah precisely
that a dishwasher laundry machine refrigerator exactly canned food mass produceed food you go to your grocery store of a car this yes the this this was the unwritten
economic
social contract of a
american socialism quote unquote righte
this has completely collapsed and it's gone there's no more meaningful equity
americans have in the state whatsoever i this is the whole reason behind the trump phenomenon everything like that
so in a sense actually
the american state no longer has a material basis because every state
believe it or every state has a basis and some kind of equity on the part of its population that's why it has a basis right
that's how states survive that's how they subsist
the american state has zero material basis zero there's no
the roots
the soil of the american people
do not to reproduce the american state
they enter into contradiction with the american
american state
as a matter of fact like as we saw with the
the wacko seas in the a t f and all that kind of
shit you know
so the american state is just like baseless in a way right it
doesn't really have a material basis we live it
it's virtual reality man it's virtual reality like that's what's
all of these themes just come back together for me over and over and over again
like the development of like game theory roleplaying like game mechanics in like the development of like therapeutic psychology and like psycho guided psychodramas
improv comedy
fucking
video games
social media all of this stuff cybernaddicts
it all comes together
to create
this hypervirtual reality
like what we actually own in america our concept of america the thin people are defending when they talk about america
is
this virtual reality
is existing in this virtual reality and one of the things
that that virtual reality gives you
is a distance
and an ability to not be concerned with
or or
even attempting to understand
reality beyond that virtual reality
you know what americans don't want to be confronted with the fact that they know almost nothing about the fucking world
they know almost nothing about the history of the world
that they're actually an extreme minority
when it comes to the amount of people like people who have existed in time or even people on the planet at the given moment
and that their concerns and like that it's just this
pit of narcissism just endless narcissism and nihilism
like that is what
people don't want to confront
that is why people hold on to the virtual reality
because if you hold it on to this virtual reality you don't have to confront the nihilism
at the bucket root of it all
you know and another thing too is that
you know it's very clear as well
that
this virtual reality is the lasting significance of america
globally i mean
america will
america's last its last stand in the world the last dialect of the world's going to enter in
into in with america
is the internet it's it's the way in which
the internet the global internet
abstracts people
from their communities from their
nations from their cultures from their realities and kind of
introduces this kind of modern cartesian doubt
in regards to the whole of reality
so the peoples of the world i think
we'll continue to struggle
it's not the american liberal age is not quite over i think i think
peoples of the world are still going to struggle with
the last
vestige of americanism which is
at the global internet
it's this kind of on
reality of social but i think we're tying to yeat china to me all we're going to make the two thousand look like nothing man that's what yeah i fear
oh yeah yeah
but i think i still think china points the way to
for the first time i
the kind this kind of d americanization of the virtual reality like
the virtual reality somehow becomes reconciled
with a determinate
civilization and particular reality
so on its one
so
we see in china a model for
uh
kind of post apocalyptic
the ability for civilizations to survive
the disaster that is america
yeah what they've been able to do is like
they've a
been able to take all of this stuff and reoriented towards the public good
because
the state dominates
the other the market
that's
that it's like that simple right
but like we are we can't even do anything about it because
fundamentally because
our means of volition like through the state
which is like the representative of the people in time or whatever
doesn't have the power to do that
it doesn't have like
we can't actually change things
oh yeah
definitely its you know it's
we can't do it
e its notven close to feasible no i mean no one really thinks
no one really you know
really wants to admit that they consider biting their president
even the liberals that support biden
we'll tell you that oh yeah you know biden he's got his problems he's not really you know
it's just they've all cynically resigned and accepted the fact
maybe for the first time that we really don't control
w was in charge you know
maybe we control they still think we they like it that way
yes
maybe that maybe we don't want to fattle back to that way
maybe we control the fact that
trump
is not president
but we don't really control who our president is you know it's like they choose them for us and we
then argue about who we want to choose you know like they choose
our candidates
and we argue about which which one we should
we should we
endorse you know
no one really believes they're actually choosing them you know
yeah i mean and you know know things hard to say all loyally believe in a nihilist culture and no one no one even believes even when it came to voting nobody argues about who they're voting for
what people argue about now on the internet is who they endorse everyone fucking thinks
that there's some kind of super pac important person like ok who am i going to give my endorsement to like everyone thinks there's some kind of fucking
you know important
big your head or some their brint
yeah everyone thinks there are peps yeah e everyone's a brand
and they're arguing about who's the better candidate to endorse you know all those fucking people debating about
should we vote or bid in or
not you're not actually
debating about who to vote for you're debating about who you're endorsing and you're fucking endorsements you're debating about what poster you're going to hang in your bedroom exactly exactly yeah that's what it all fucking comes down to you know
it's like no' all just this like fatisization of
of commerce ultimately
like it's like
you have to be able to how m i expressing myself what endorsement do i have like what button badge
am i going to wear it doesn't matter about what any of it means
it's just it has its own meaning in the interrelations of like the
the social capital market or however you would put it
like wherever the trends are going identifying like
marketing demographics
that's really the whole point of like that you'r endorsement or whatever
is like
if you're if you're being savvy i think there are people who try to be authentic
but i think most of the time like
that's
if you're if you're trying actually to be authentic i will know that by how many times you get fucked over
by people or like scapegoated for something or whatever
that's really how you can tell if someone's being authentic is if they keep like making moves that almost everyone would say are objectively bad to make it like the social media sphere
like
oh that that that's really bad look or whatever
that's that's someone who's being more authentic when you when there's someone who's like
always
picking the thing
and always on like you know they never never ahead of the curb but always perfectly on the curb like once it's
something's picking up that's when their endorsement goes through whatever
that's the real savvy person in the market here
yeah i mean um
you know here's something i worry about too is like
so many people will just get the platformed you know
and
how do you survive in this environment without selling out
you know
that's something i'm always worried about like
because honestly we if we're going to make this like viable
we just can't get theep platforms you know but
the same time
it's becoming so excessive so
you know
fucking crazy that
it would like with this you know with the snap of your fingers you could just be
removed right and then
people might still have the satisfaction that oh yeah well
at least there's alternatives that are out there
but
you're really not out there like in in determinate way you know in a way that's clear to p
so
i don't know
i mean it's not one decision is the real fuck thing is that
it's
perpetual decisions all the time and like the more success you have or whatever
the more of those decisions are going to be decisions that
you can't even really make
an hourre
right ah like
like someone like joe rogan or whatever at a certain point you're making like a bunch of money and you're like a name or something
and now you have to have x cia agents on to pass off their like you know what i mean if he wasn't willing to play along
to a degree if he was like a little bit to asking too many questions or you know whatever
that's
then you're going to be selected against like very early on
like we don't live in a dumb system where things happen randomly and blindly it's actually that all of the insanities of our system are come from like the over determination of it's like algorithmic sorting of everything
that's my theory and that's whatly shocks me is like
why are
like why have we gone on this far like
i mean infrared the show i
why has this been able to go on for like months this sy
at which
because i mean we live stream with a lot of comparre compared to like our subs and
followers we have a pretty good amount of viewers you know
and
i we have to have been noticed by someone you know by some
something you know
that's just
i don't know
mean the fact that well you'll see men
yh
you'll see if you actually keep going if you keep going and it gets better it's only going to get harder
yes it's only going to be more and more
like actually you're most free
really
i think
when you're in this sort of condition right now
where you're like on the outskirts and kind of
for instance like when you're debate with people and they're like i don't even know if you're trolling or not
that is the perfect spot to be in
yeah yeah
you aren't the algorithms can't even fucking determine
where what you are through expand b that is what you want to be
yeah
that's actually so true that's what i try to stay they can't categorz i think that's one of the reasons i got so triggered
when like i had a bunch of people starting calling me a nosbol it's not really be caause like
i'm offended it's just be cause like
you're trying to fucking categorize me and it's honestly not what i what i am it's like not what we are you can't you know we're not
we're not coming from there but
it's the fact that they thought they
they found like the secret formula to
what we're about the go yeah they're just nosles like no i mean
i don't know i know they found the spot on the quadrant on the you know the little window pane it's like th yeah they found right to left
they gt you they put you right at the top of just pure authoritarian because
because you because you're and then they went that's the same that's just nazism plus
my friend that's naziism plus
and that's where you are and that's what you know if you're on that side of the spectrum then you're a hitler and so on and
that's what that guy is he's on the he's his dungeons and dragons alignment
was fucking evil lawful evil
that's whathre he is
he picked lawful evil he's like a dark palatin for the evil to talll tarian regime of stalin
that's he picked that character in our larping classes here
that's this is how they think it's literally like r p g fucking
mechanics
they're like
in dealignment bro i'm fucking i'm fucking i'm a i'm a rogue a narco liberal you know what i love is people on twitter or you tube who make their profile picture
literally there
there
their position on the political compass
like they actually like ah so you know what i am like
and they're all those people are always
bottom left somewhere bottom left right
people who do that yes they're always bottom lesft
they always you have his sea ins bottom left because
but i think bottom left might be the only one
on that hoole
that whole quadrant i guess
who really do believe in the quadrants and its validity like they actually think the quadrant they need to because the're there they define all the rest of them as being like
like
opposed to them or whatever yeah if they're the natural position
the're like it's it's this naive pseudo russeauan
conception of like the noble savage lived in the green corner of the libertarians left corner of the that's you know that's like
that was adam adam and eve lived in the fucking libertarian left green corner
political compass
let's
but we have to just get back there yeah honestly it is it really is because it's like
it it really is it's like it's like harry potter that's the main protagonist he's on bottom left everyone else is an asphole you know like
is could harry pots you know harry potter possibly be on the right side noly fucking couldn't
could he be like on the
authoritarian no he couldn't
you know like he had it's always the fucking bottom
bottom lest man he's pred to his pred to be went to a good school his parents a cia agents you know he's
he but he but he grew up kind of poor he was like downwardly mobile
but
has the elite pedigree to a degree
he got into the dude like it's all fucking there like all of these structures just raify themselves like
over and over and over again because
this is like how our culture is created you know i'm looking
fantasy gamer an arcola it who have this vision of themselves as
living in like this ideal feudile middle ages where
that like but like that's like their conception of true communism or whatever is being a fucking peasant
you know i actually came up though with like an idea of the political
compass
and i think it's the called the criss cross theory of politics so to me
the diagonal squares are secret they have like a secret dialectic re es dude yeah dude let me get my threat on this i wrote a thing about how did you at really
you can't be the same thing
yeah yeah yeah holy shit yeah that'sing i do you think about how how and caps and marxists are like stalinist like we're just talking today also about like ron paul stalinism yeah how those people they have the same
understanding like the authoritarian left quote unquote in the libertarian right yet unquote
actually have the same hermanutic and so do left libertarians and the like right liberals are like you i swear to god i didn't cagt the fuck of you i didn't know you do that's focking brilliant i swear you wh i say you know it was like months ago i said that ontream it was like
a criss cross theory of politics
yeah
a
where i wrote a whole thing about
how
their hermanutics are like the same but they have inverted
outputs
how do i put this
like the authoritarian left
are pragmatists
the liberal left
or idealists
the authoritarian right or idealists
but the libertarian right are pragmatists
yeah yah like
yeat so that's like that's one of the main like swapover points
if you think about it that way
because
that's
that like that the
like i think that in some ways this is like whit dangism makes sense s yeah total it's the best cy to
and that's why i lt people don't like sid like ron paul i was watching ron paul you should pull this up some time to watch it is ron paul in one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight fucking destroying william f buckley
it's so good
because
rob pauls like we don't need the f b i we don't need the cia we should fucking liquidate all of these things he's fucking saying like abolish the police basically it's like nine hundred eighty eight
and william f buckley is talking about how we really need that the cia
like how we absolutely need the cia it's the most open conversation about the actual structure of the american government
that maybe was ever televised i think i was it was blowing my mind when i watched this again know what people don't get either is that
you know i
people think china is like a super authoritarian country
but
functionally like actually
as long as you don't commit treason against the sovereign
china's very libertarian even politically you know
you don't you're not getting harassed abutr tax rate
yeah and and
and you're not getting harassed by authorities as in every your do you get left alone as long as you know you follow your customs
china is a country where they have an actual civilization where like
they don't have to fucking police the population twenty four seven
you know you can trust people to get people people just like yeah i guess the government's doing fine that's why they have a whole high approval rating
because they don't have people
plugged into
the mockin nations
of
the capital city
or whatever yeah yeah
it's like people in the chinese
people in the chinese countryside it's like
in a sense they govern themselves as far as like actual what does it actually mean to govern right
a it doesn't only mean to like liquidate
threats against the central state because yeah the
they don't necessarily do that themselves but
mes just how do you regulate your everyday life they they do it themselves you know they don't have fucking cop and america you can't go outside in america without a fucking cop car
or cops
just
buzzing around you know and always making you fucked nervous you know
yeah
i don't this is like where i'm saying like like i was like a roan paul guy
like pretty strongly when i was younger like that was the most
i wasn't like invested i guess in my mind in like a candidate and it was mostly just because my main idea in my entire life my main framing for politics has always been geopolitical
and specifically about foreign policy
is like what i always cared about when i was looking at these things
and i've realized how much
like that is one of the least prioritized things right
like even bernie sanders is a fucking warhawk compared to ron paul
like you look at like who voted to go into the balkans or whatever
it wasn't ron paul ron fucking paul is like the old school old stock
american people tradition
which was just like
decentralizing
think like there's i have a lot of problems with like the austrian economics or were ono lists side of as as someone who grew up
from a bit from a background they just made i'm not like a
but we know one of those woke people but
just naturally i was someone who was just naturally disposed to being
against the
government and
the war machine like you know the invasion of the middle east it's like my background whatever
listen
i'm going to tell you this in a completely neutral objective unbiased way because i didn't grow up with
political commitments pre made
when
the person in america growing up who who i considered
to like actually pose a threat to the government and to the war machine in shit
that was ron paul it was only ron paul it was ron paul alexones all those fucking people
they were only one stronghole
what it
yeah b like i got so fucking mad at the birnie people
because i'm like bitch
do youfukn remember what they did to rob paul in two thousand and eight yet what they did to bernie was nothing
compared to what they did to rom paul's like thousand the people who were critiquing
the wars and shit it's like
i wasn't looking at left ooids and i'm saying i came from like a background which was like
not politically biased to begin with
left woords to me were like spooky you know left woords were like
all this must be like you know these are people
weere part of the fucking hole
establishment whatever
like ron paul was the guy who i was looking at he'd be like
i don't it just seemed like he actually posed a threat and he actually was speaking out against
the status quo and like yeah man way you know ben a lot of his positions are now just rephrased using like wok language and they're actually worse positions on the same issues like a oh i don't doubt likem paul was talking about like drug legalization and stuff like that in the mother fucking eighties ok he was going on to like
christian conservative talk radio shows and getting like
blasted
for for being like pro weed legalization or like whatever in the time period where the war on drugs was like kick like really fucking kicking off
like
hard
like
that was a hard time to be like pro for holding that position
these days like a f in fact
a lot of the democrats all the people on the left at the time
wouldn't have held the same position for the most part because they cared more about being acceptable
to like civil society and so they would take like a moderate position y sorts of things
bromb paul
s say what you will about some of his positions on a lot of the on the most important things when it comes to like
militarization the proreop police
foreign policy interventional interventionism like the war on drugs all of the total like the prison industry like fucking privatized prison industry yeah of the worst fucking things about america rom paul has always been consistently against
and
he sounds he's more of a fucking marxist objectively
in that very way for being first taking those stands on those like key issues
than any people who took over i don't y ans
but had better aesthetics on ironics
this might sound ironic we should consider people like ron paul to be
like the pre marxist socialist in the nineteenth century like yes he had socialist ron paul was a socialist i don't care what he called himself i don't care if you would reject that label he's like a georgiist yeah he represents some typ of like socialism yeah he represented some type of like popular socialistic
reaction against
is kind of he's like it yeah he really is like a on ninetheentred century like georgis like geo libertarian yeah yeahm of american communist
yeah yeah yeah absolutely
and like
you know people well you know how could be a youw could be a commy he's not advocating for the abolition of private property
but it's like
you have to understand it in the twenty first century
those all those things have a different meaning you know like i
objectively speaking
quote unquote abolished so abolish private property in the nineteenth century
means you're undermining the power of the state
and the big landowners and all these kinds of that's what it meant to be like basin right
today abolished private property means have the government come and control everything
right
they can tro it doesn't mean the government it means it means having huge real estate firms exactly yes were better u even betterts
yeah precisely no in the ninthes when people meant by socialism they didn't mean like some kind of like
organ central organ literally coming in and just
controlling everything i mean i know there was utopian socialis experience but
what what hap so some acquired popularity and
you know that the
this idea of challenging private property acquired
popularity because
private property was the cadsul
that the people in power
we're hitting people with as this like
propagandistic slogan oh it's the sacred principle of private property that's why we have to have land closer or in the case of marx oh you german peasants becuse marx wrote about this you can't collect wood in the forests any more because of the sacred principle of private property like private property was the cudgel that interfered with
the ability for people to like
live basically right
yeah today you know
to we have to kind of we as a
speaking just for myself
as a kind of communist whatever
what i need to
read
uh trace this kind of uh connotations and make sure
that people don't think of when they think of communism i don't want people to think of
you know i
when they think of the abolition of private property or
sublation of private property
i don't want people to think of this kind of idea of
just an extension of
uh this an extension of this kind of
hour of a central
uh state
over your personal everyday life
communism was always supposed to be something compatible with peoples every day communism was alwaysupposed to mean
we're going to lift a burden off of you ordinary people we're not going to like come and
you know
control there was n positive liberties yeah exactly precisely and that's that's what exists in china today you know it's what exists in china now
is this kind of positive liberty
the ability for people
to live
to reproduce himselves
h
and you know to live meaningful dignified lives at the end of the day
you know authorities are not going to legislate
the civilizational realities there's a real objective reality of civilization
that has a cars and here's a kind of dark thing yeah
as you were saying about like abolished private property i was just thinking like
what that really means now is like ok so look at china right seventy percent of their millennials like in the millennial generation own property they own
they have literally a fucking piece of equity asset
in
the country itself
like they're invested they have equity
in the country
so if you were to go there and like hey we're going to bolish your private property
like
that probably the real interpretation of that means like
your we're taking your equity in the country ayeah
and that'ss that's sort of how that
that's sort of how that works still today but like we our generation
we don't have any equity
what what we have
our our connection to this country
is now one of debt
it's not even one of investment
like that's
the fundamental that's problem that's the irony of our times just speaking in terms of like
people spooky um
connotations and prejudices not the real thing
the truth is
all this libertarian liberty people talk about with capitalism they have it in china
all of this horrible communist totalitarianism that's what we have in america
you know
that's the triit it's all upside down man it's a camera obscurre it's a camera obscure
like we that's what the media is so good at it
it's
they call it know spinor like the flip or whatever the fuck or there's a million words for
for
the distortions you put on the fucking lens to like present the world
almost the opposite of whatd it's it's really
it's hilarious though because you on ironically have like
so called anti dengist marxist in the west
and it's so di i always want to like put them in the spotlight hold them to it
like ok you want to have all aspects of the economy
all aspects of the economy directly consciously controlled
you're going to control that w the fucker like we're going we're going to just have this extension of
your kind of left wd culture and not only are you going to like impose that on people but you're going to everyone has to wear cat ears yeah you're going to you're going to impose that on everyone on the threat of economic survival so we all have to adopt your insular left wd fucking culture and you're just going to like
you're going to be the cultural engineers who run everything and
fuck you do i can't even fuck and stand being in the same room as you people and neither can ninety nine percent of actual ordinary americans you think you're going to come and hold the keys to how people eat and how people fucking
reproduced himself you're going to fuck and control everything and desafuck you dude you know what i mean like
like you're going to pull that they're going to pull that yeah also like you go know like your ways your hobbies your way of life like oh what you like hunting like
don't you know how bad that is for the environment like
there's no respect whatsoever imagining the sols whins of life yeah imagine the winy left oid fucking
estering and just
fucking ankle biting and just stupid bullshit you see on what are all the fucking time imagine those people actually in fucking power deciding how much you eat and how much you fucking
whether you're going to live or die in terms of like
how much resources you get that's why people in america hate communists of course it is yeah communism
and of course you should hate that shit
yeh i hate
that's what everyone hates
yeah know that's why like what we want to do
as
marxist leninist whatever
we want to change
what it we can't do that like by ourselves
we want to help change
or set an example of like
being a communist doesn't mean that it doesn't mean being a fucking left wight on steroids
being a communist means being pro people
being for the people being a defender of the people like
ordinary commons the common people you know what i'm saying
that's what we mean by comm we don't mean this kind of fucking shit of like
oh you know all that shit you fuckin hate and you can't stand we want to actually impose that on everyone
a not only culturally but also economically to
and
you know it's like what it also should be is like
is about universal issues above i kind of want to talk about this at some point
yes
i would i'd like being kind of
staying off the twitter for a bit because i caused a huge
huge fucking problem for myself
by just posing this hypothetical
this like pretty radical hypothetical i thought
because i was thinking about
how fundamentally the problem
with like the sort of like so the emphasis on social issues or on like on like gtural issues gender issues whatever
it's fundamentally like creating a conflation in the minds of everyone between
like between individual which you might say like private or particular goods
in a society
versus public
universal goods
like general goods
ell
for instance like
like for instance gay marriage
gay marriage
we can say it's a good
we can't say it's a universal good
we can't say it's a public good or it's a universal good because it doesn't actually impact everyone
it has nothing to do it doesn't matter for actually the majority of people it means nothing to them which is fought why most peop most of the those people don't have a strong opinion about it whatsoever because it's fundamentally meaningless to them it doesn't really matter to them it might matter to the somewhat people that they know
or whatever and they can have vicarious sentiment through that but that still doesn't make it a universal good
right so i'm saying like
you like nationalizing health care like nationalizing the insurance industry or whatever
is a universal good
it would be good for everyone
in the country
now i would say would be good for everyone in the globe also for getting rid of these like
rapacious insurance companies and all the other things they do
that this would be one of the best things you could do
for everybody
but
if you can't state
that that
is a much
better good and it is to be
prioritized above
particular private goods
such things as like
you know
making sure that everyone's pronouns are respected in the workplace everyonhere
were gon to say that yees that's good that's probably a good thing
it's a particular good though it's a private good
it it doesn't have that much use
just what benefiting everyone
but if you can't say if you can't just make if you refuse to go i refuse to make a decision between these two if i can only have one then i don't want to either man like i'm never going to choose listen to devote myself to a public good above my own private good here's why you pope the beehigh because all left ids where they call the marxist or not
whether they call it whether they admit it or not they're all intersectionalist they all believe everything's on the same level
in what i said explicitly before i said
you know were
the national liberation struggle the national struggle while the black people struggle
at the palestinians the irish all that kind of stuff
in history whatever you want to call that
american war of independence even
that is fundament that is more fundamental simply more fundamental
then sexual
the issues
its just is itust this
it just is
objectivelyd yeah not on the same fucking level like for example what's going on in palestine
what if someone made the argu ok there's more women's rights in israel than in gaza
okay well guess what
the palestinian struggle is more fundamental than that right you know not saying that's a meaningless thing and even in palestine you know there's a women struggle there's women the's thing i'm not saying that's meaninglesss trivial but at the end of the day the national liberation struggle is more fundamental
it they're not equal they're not on the same level gay right yes not on the same level as that shit and in america
you see it in america
there's an explosive huge tension between the l g b t left wds and black nationals black bir because black nationalists say no the black struggle is more fundamental it's not on the same level as l g b t shit it's just not on the same fucking level ok it is not that if they do not intersect it's not an intersection they are fundamentally different
and one is more fundamental than the other you know
h
but though they also are correct in understanding that there's like a colonial imperialist there is absolutely it's one hundred percent
l g b t the brand of the l g b t i'm not saying l g b people
i'm saying the brand
is one hundred percent
the rockefeller fucking yeh it's it's one hundred percent of form of
opportunism and it is also it is also a rockefeller type of project
and a whole kind of thing like that where it's like
that
it's fucking it's a disguised form of of
the status quo you can see you can call it status quoever you want
you call it the rule of the bourgeoisie you can call it white supremacy i don't actually care what you call it that's what it fucking is whatever our status quo is
that's what it
that's what it is that's what it serves that's what that's its objective meaning i don't care like
how you fucking cut it that's wh that guy socialism ne left he just got exposed on discord
and he had all these
a
he typed all the shit in his this where he was like
yeah those
the black africans are all backward i want to make them all gay he was talking about all that he were saying that they needed to be bred out by like white people yeah because they're not tolerant enough of l g b t they're not tolerant yeah yeah yeah exactly don't enough i qs to have liberal sentiments for s is real like this is what is like this is
the whole idea right is yeah
like
their way of life
doesn't it their way of life
isn't even historical it's nonexistent i don't have to learn anything about it
they have to adapt
to me
yeah and exactly current you know and i'm not saying
you know that
there there could be there's l g b t people among
those people and they might have their own thing going on and
but but you know what that's their own thing you know like uh
you can't
you talking about l gbt is just a way in this context
to exercise american imperialist whatever dominion and domination over them
i mean like you know
let me explain something really fuckedu this is like a part of it that i think
is the most pernicious part and i don't think anyone ever talks about this part of
but
it's specifically a way
of
i mean a lot of this is just targeted against christians let's be honest
like christians have been like almost systematically like wiped out from representation in the media
like in a in a real sense like just like an old school christian person
just like giving voice to the orthodox doctrines of the church
almost never happens
in america
like and that was like a systematic thing
but a big part of it right is like
a lot of these activists
like the they they want to eliminate
anyone who grounds their morality in a sort of deontological relation
with an objective reality that is not just composed of their sentiments or their preferences
right
so it's like if you accept if you accept like ok so
there's like like christian morality and like sexual morality is a lot more complicated than most people understand it it's not like
oh like fuck gays they're all evil whatever
that's not really
that it's like so much more complicated than that
but there are people who are like yes
i believe
because my my opinions i don't have opinions i take fuckin revelation from
of reality that is outside of my preferences or sentiments
and it states clearly that this is like you know a violence against nature or whatever
however dante would describe if it's this doesn't mean
this doesn't mean again that it's like a damnable thing that ruins everyone who has ever done it or whatever and that it's like impossible to forgive
and that there's no way there's like you know you just it's just full of hatred and loathing
it's mostly one that's like supposed to come with like a set of like pity
or something for like
the the nature of man and like how we're all sinners or how we're all fucking guilty of various things
it's not supposed to be
this sort of like judgmental thing but when
you the like
the liberal sentimental engineering of it comes where it's like
well why do you hate gay people
you know what i mean it's like
thank
you can't even discuss
like theological realities or like the origins of morality ethics in the sort of historical sense
without
without
being told like that you the only real objective grounds
is the sentiments that inspires
like
isn't that such a mean thing to say to me like how you think about how you're making me feel
but it's like it's not about you bro
it's about
reality
like are we talking about reality are we talking about our feeling
yeah you're right this ability to
this the ability to impartially talk ofbu this ability to acknowledge this is really the key of what we're talking about
a supra individual reality of some kind that is just beyond you personally
where you haf you can be able
but you can you can
have the ability to participate in something
that's beyond you individually even though it is you individually participating it
you're just participating in something beyond you
and people have lost the ability to do that
in this day and age
everything is now personal everything's like uh
directly about you you're not actually participating in any common
an acknowledgment of some kind of common uh realityight
a lot of people for ex the comon is this this it's the ad of all you know what's funny is that
you know all these pseudo intellectal guys like the the self help people who talk about the greekh plato and aristotle all that kind of stuff
what's so absurd about it is that you can clearly tell when plato speaks
when aristotly speaks or when they write whatever they're writing down
they're not speaking as an individuals
the subject of their works is not an individual it's some kind of supra individual
truth that is just beyond
fundamentally beyond individuals right it's some kind of common
reality of some kind
and
people just don't believe this but i don't know man i think that's just your opinion yeah yeah
i mean um
but you know like i said again it's interesting when you look at it because
in china
everyone understands that reality everyone in china understands there's a
common
you know there's a common reality that's beyond us individually that
you know
that actually has its own
existence of some kind its own reality
i think even people may be in russia understand you know people in
maybe even eastern europe understand it it just seems like
uh america
most of all even in england maybe people can fucking
you know
this is my theory that yet there is like
the twentieth century
was like the creation of the sort of virtual reality like you can kind of see it depicted in like the matrix
where the matrix is really like more a movie in retrospect of like
we need to hold on to the matrix because if we don't have this it's going to get really bad
oh yeah like we need to make sure everybody can plug perfectly well and fit and be comfortable
in this matrix
because like
like if you think about it in that year when they made the matrix
the the virtual reality world that it's in right
they're like we created it based off of the present time because the present time is the best time in living memory and everyone likes it right now
right yeah one
everyone enjoys this virtual reality a cagt like the end of history nineties world
and so we're actually whereas who the fuck would create a simulation of the year two thousand and twenty one for everyone to live to be like oh yeah this was the cod w it's actually since go point i've never
i've never fucking thought of that that is such a good fucking point
no one would even do that for like
any any post nine eleven
post eleven no one would do that it's only the nineties or
two thousand two thousand eighties yeah or the eighties yeah eighties especially
that's why we have like stranger things and all these sort of nostalgia backwards facing things
is because everyone wants to go back
that is that what one division is about
like the marvel movies like these people they're not dumb they're like actually using
this sort of common
common like response to the sort of like amergent mythology you might even say
to the to the media environment that we're in
they take these ideas and they find ways to like
narrativize them to channel them back into like the this is like why marvel movies are so important
you know because i know
that's how it all works so here's my theory about that
the whole like the
eighties so if you notice before this whole eighties revival there was a really subtle seventies revival and before that there was a sixties
in't people don't pp' notice that
but i think now we're seeing
nineties again right i think we're looking at we're going into the this kind of nineties pastige
but you know my theory is
it's really y two k
when the year two thousand hit
everyone was expecting a new era right
but then when two thousand hit people realizing
yeah a new era
but then people realize
there's no new era it's a
it's still the same it's more of the same so they looked back kind of to this
fifties and sixties and seventies and eighties
and now that that's being exhausted we are now finally confronting at this
time wherere at the precipice of the decline of
the american empire with the rise of a new civilization
in a new era
finally now we're entering
the year two thousand
you know
yeah i mean i ok so the other another thing i was looking at recently was like terence mckenna a cia type shit or whatever yeah but sometimes i get a little a little paranoid i get a litt fucking get a little nutty in my mind
and i come up with some ideas that scare me and i don't i'm not necessarily sure if they're
they're just intuitions of mine or how accurate they would be and sometimes you know but i'll just throw on out there right
yet i'm
if you're doing a mass social engineering project
of like the american population
like how much
would you create like
narrative arts like would it would
how much of
our reality
is really like kind of plotted out
in like
in that like with
the same sort of
framings and narrative setups
that you would make a movie with like making a hollywood movie and making say like a political event
a spectacle of some sort
they sort of require the same sorts of things like we have
people who are professionals
at acting not only just acting but like
crowd work moving crowds
making things look
as authentic as possible
right
like all of this technology is really what we're the best at
so
how much
how much of light
whit
this stuff was planned in advance because you turn to mckenna talking about two thousand and twelve
being terence mckenna was not based
i don't know who said that but no thuck terence mckenna
he's a fucking cia liberal cia mother fucker
who is just running drugs for those mother fuckers in tibet
he was golden triangled up well what was he doing over me and mar you tell me you tell me how do you get busted out of jail
these guys all the sixties heroes guys they're all fucking cia they're all spies they all work for the liberal end of the cia
they're all very proud about it too
they were like they were like we hate the like
the right wing version like the like cultural reactionaries or whatever
the they were on the progressive side of the deep state however you want to put it yeah who are most open to like doing
like basically like l s d experiments on the population like that's
yeah
also yes fuck to lose delose also an op all theose guys are fucking ops i'm not even fucking kidding you
like all it is all the most of the effort intellectually went into creating the new laft
the sort of new age new left
hippie aquarian fucking
bulskter
that's
that's where all the effort went into
was making that yeah process church yeah everyone's posting stuff in the chat now all that shit
all that's it
it's all fucking
it's all designed to be
this subject you you be like
you know you're in like
dude i'm so free i'm like a fucking mushroom brom just like this mushroom and i'm a rihzom
in the network
right and i'm like on i' microdsing acid and i just have all these ideas on the zoom calls i'm like a mushroom communicating with the fucking hive
like that's that's the lose that's that's fucking mechana that's all these people it's also how a fucking cia asset thinks when they're embedding themselves into a fucking organization
you know well
yup
but i was i was just thinking
there
ternce mckenna he said they wanted to create a new dark age
he want to create a new middle ages
that was his explicit goal
like when you was talking about this they were talking about neo feudalism
like a lot of these hippies
as being like a good thing you know back to the earth will be like peasants you know have a closeer relation to the earth
and we'll have you know this kind of class bifurcation
where you then also have like these like you will have like the
the transgender liberal aristocrats
like dueling each other over leftist idiologies
that that no that have so many hyphens in them that no one can count anymore
and you know it'll be like a furry well like aristocrat landed gentry like like beating up another like like do you see what i'm saying can you s just your things like you hod s com for m you know american
america so we have clearly we have the media orientation
after the sixties seventies
it with the eighties we saw return to what we saw return to focking
uh sorry medieval fantasy right we have ald that wole media arc lord of the ring all that kind of shit
but
what do we see now we sae bill gates is buying all this land
it clearly seemed and you know the silicon valley spooky people all come from
that terence mckennall
shit they all come from there
and we all know how sill yeah vali is
you a neo feudial
in nature
so there's that connection that they think like this they think like oh man these poor poor people we just need to get them like back
to farm labor that's really wholesome
yea you know i
but well we'll own the farms and we'll tell m what to do they're just like
it's like you know when like the silicon valley people like oh i invented a public bus
they're doing that but it's just fucking slavery you know not ihing to me about like attle slavery
oh thank you much fm appreciate
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i take offence to the comparison
thank you much appreciate vi us
but i
yea uh
you know one thing that kind of weirded me out about like how much of this shit is like
pland
on epstein's island when i found out
that it was just fucking matter
you know that dome that like uh
that
that we are temple
that was just there for show yeah
and so much of the island was there for show like
you know how they would move cows around
intentionally just like
for no reason they would just move like the plastic
the cow what did you hear about that
yeah
yeah yeah yes i know what you're talking about when we think of all what was going on in empstin island
like they
it's what they artificially wanted to provoke
that response and it's so fucking bizarre
you know
but there a real people have they have their own
traditions and inside jokes and and weird shit like that
oh yeah
true
yeah i don't know it's just like
but i'm
ya with the whole
uh terence mckenn all that kind of shit
uh
i think we are kind of
i think one of the reasons though that it seems like
we're entering like a new dark age or something i think
what we consider modernity has run its course you know and we're
we're kind of returning back to the norm
some real bioalogous
we returning back to some authentic historical continuity
that predates majority basically like majority was just this kind of
eg
was
that distracted us from
the actual realities were and so
like we're seeing you know
ah we're seeing the rise of like old
ancient more ancient kind of traditions
i guess the appearance of i don't know i don't twenty extent these are actually authentic
but
i don't think too interesting about like neo feudalism is that a lot of marxists don't understand this but
marx never said
that capitalism has completely conquered
utilism
uh
is it never did it honestly never did the reality of landed property only transformed
it was never fully you know
replaced by b
replaced by a
by capital
and actually mark said he eventually in his third month of the capital he came to the triad right
the triad is what it's labor
landed property and
a capital
right
in other words landed property is not just some transient vestige of the past
feudalism it's a
objective part of
what we consider this this
in
capitalism
in a sense yeah let mean talk about equity too is' that also what a peasant is supposed to be a peasant
has equity in the sovereigns
a kingdom or whatever
it's almost like a
the peasants never disappeared you know the marxist always thought
the peasantry was just going to turn into the
the factory proletariat and they're going to just be this edgy revolutionary subject we're going to have permanent revolution
they're going to be completely i
stripped of their
roots and but no but we saw the peasantry was artificially recreated like
when we talk about this is some shit that every one literally everyone i've talked to
that looks to me like i'm crazy i'm like
when we talk about
the the
the white piget fans
the green lawn and the car that this american family the
ff these h family has
isn't that a reinvention of the peasantry this kind of
some kind you know what i mean like this is the reassertion of the peasants the mechanical pageantry oror yeah or the like like
yet i mean animals they have all these machines that they have to take care of yeah exactly that's exactly it it's like
uh or or you don't have to call it a pesant call it a yeomn or whatever i don't know whatever's particular to american history but
this kind of small landhm land owner the small landholder
marxist thought
in a way that didn't come from marx himself
that they would just turn into
factory pulletary
a and they would all be devoid of any
equity or private property that's not what happened what happened was that
somehow it was
it reasserted itself in a in a new way
you know
so i just think that's interesting yeah i mean that's what
that's what people want that's what people want i mean it's not a coincidence like it's not a coincidence that all communist states happened in countries
that were quote unquote less advanced and in which
people were the majority of people were rule right
so
and it's not a coincidence that all of the populism today comes from the so called rule we call them rule even though they're not rule
and they're still urbanized right they live in
cut you know
they live in um yeah they don't live in like farmlands that what we call people who are rule
we still call him rule and for good reason right
h i think for me one of the my like
i guess contributions when it would have marxims that
the presant is not
a vestige of the past there's something true there's something about
pessence
ah
that persists
basically
and and and the logic of that basically
marxism leninism was not just some
you know
some makeshift thing that was just because russia had a unfortunate
you know
peculiar and strange condition compared to europe
there's something true about marxism leninism that can even be applied to the west itself
you know there's
there's a there's a need for a unity of workers and peasants even in the west
basic
but yeah kind of goent off i mean engine
well like
what's what's kind of spooky to me i think is that the real class that they want to produce
this is a class that is like
being planned
in my opinion like ahead of time
like that the
this is a
this is the it's kind of not even like a peasantry
this is the real future
is creating a
or socializing people as nomads
as kind of landless
travelers
whose connection to society is basically mediated by a cell phone
don't have anything like it doesn't really own property except for what they carry on their back like backpack bindle
type of living
where you do gig economy work
around
and you know you you'd never settle anywhere
you're just like
moving you you are like to be perfectly atomized and liquidated to fit like
the streams of capital
like now human capital
whatll move
the new proletaria is the amazon package deliver or whatever
and maybe he moves along the
he delivers packages
on
epic routes across the entire country and he's just constantly on a cross country road trip delivering packages
or something
this and like never lives anywhere
but like you know air b n b s at places
and the jet strand it's a sam bridges samport that's that's the future n
that's like what they're trying that's the class of people
that's that's like the new
quote unquote working class are trying to create
which is why a huge part of like
all of this is making sure that like you know you can look at what places are allowed to make unions which ones aren't
definitely the places that aren't allowed to make ys are for all of these new digital economyes head like h it's like
the actual essential workers oh they can't unionize we actually put th those wo actually do use will sit but
you google people and you fucking uh artists and all yeah you can movie producers hollywood producer yeah yeah and we unionized go ahead
didn't make a funny difference
yeah
i mean m
yeah it's funny
yeah
i just like that's what's that's what spooky to me is is just
like
there's so much of like a lump in or like even like homeless or like really like
type of culture that's adapted by the the left in america from like historical contingencies i would say of the twentieth century like a lot of the
a lot of the our workers movements having to come from people like the okies or whatever like the sort of migrant workers
who like lost their property
that this sort of
class of people
um the whole like
and
what's it called like cross punky cross punk train hopper type people
that are dijslike
and like you know that sort of
that' sort of alm it's kind of a form of individualism really
oh of course it's like a new type of like brand you know it's like a
yeah everying leg's been
yeah
that's a but that's sort of also it's sort of like the the proletarian or like lump in proletarian version of being an intelligence agent in a way
caause it's like you're like yeah man i like am above the law basically
i just like live of i live off of other people's
property
ih i take i cop on trains and i know w stic or what you know what that reminds me of
ah speaking of like a
the opposite of like the person who's in the law
you i'm sure you saw twin peak season three right
oh of course yeah
you know who that is
who was like this kind of a
cross punk guy who was like stills just the guy didn't seem like he was rich he seemed like he was copying
from place to place living off of others
it was frocking ah
it was the doppel ganger the bad guy
yeah dark cooper
dark cooper it was dark the what you're talking about is dark cooper
he had to he was literally like a dark intelligence agent right
but he wasn't like a rich guy he was you know it's like exactly what you're talking about you know
yeah
exactly yeah that's like a sort of weird part of our
of our
leftism is the sort of radical
like
kind of and it and it even goes to like the antiindustrialist or like you know like ted koczyinsky
oh yeah yes
this tendency also
is that it's like
extremely
a
like
anti civilizational almost it's like a left like it's an anarchy almost so pure
that they want to like destroy
there
the potentiality for like mass society to even exist or like civilization as we would call it to even exist
they would want to go back to like pure everyone's a hunter gatherer
or whatever
i think you also see that with like
the kind of like i don't know too much about it but i know like this whill like um
what is it fucking
what's that guy on twitter
w wants to go back to the
cave man times
you know i'm talk about a lot of them now man
he's like he's like a right winger
is like the
what's his name
i don't even know you because there's a bunch of them like there's been so many people nz
oh yeah yeah he's a little bit more comp he's not even a real eco fascist i'm not a lie i know him very well he blocked me a while ago but i was friends with him like
in reality for years so yeah i actually know who that he is
yeah that's interesting but
he he's not even a real he wasn't even as much on like the kind of
i
how would i put it
environmentalists or like deep ecology or
or a narco primitivest or whatever the fuck
he wasn't really on that side so much i mean he has he has that two degree but
but like he's not even a great representation of that tendency
but i mean what i mean is like that tendency exists like on all sides of the spectrum th right like
ya he got the the
you got the utilitarian hyper liberals at the club of rome like with the rockefeller's and prince philip and whatever the fuck
and they're the ones who are really concerned about human population and like
ho and like you know redesigning society so it's more sustainable or whatever we can go back ino like the great pagan year and have like
the permit permanent feudal order where everything's just perfect and nothing has to change or
could total communion with nature or whatever
there's those guys those are the guys who are actually in power and then on the far left you people and they're really concerned about global warming and climate change and
they're also saying the same exact fucking things it's like oh that's really you know go over to the far right you' know like how that's weird you're also reading the book from the club room and you believe that there's too many people except you think that there's too many people have a
or all ah the brown people or whatever the fuck
it's all the same everyone believes the same fucking thing
you know if you if you notice something about our stream
i mean not assume i are like
in our thing and red
we never say shit like
we have to stop capitalism to save the planet we never say shit like
oh yeah the reason you should be a communist is because the planet
oh we never say shit like fuckin
um
ah
infinite growth but finite resource all of that shit is literally fucking
malfusian and another thing too is that
you know
that i heard something kind of sin i don't know
i don't think
i think people are thinking about global warming in the wrong fuckin way you know like
i don't think of it in terms of oh yeah we have to stop being human to save the planet i think of it in terms of
this is a new reality we have to adjust to
you know
like a
yeah yeah yeah i mean i was saying the same thing like
like for examples in which you can instrumentalize people people think oil's going to be gone
and it can be replaced
dude in the arctic the the fuckin whatever's melting
and it's going to be this huge geopolitical struggle that's already going on
for control over a
the north pole and all the fucking resources there
and including oil principally oil you know that's being revealed that's being now accessible
so
you know it's yeah
it's thisj whole fucking thing is just to me sin i know it's also the geopolitical aspect like
the west now wants to tell everyone to stop
because they've reached the pinnacle of their
industrial development like you know they yes it's tme time for everyone to stop yeah like when they got on top they're like ok guys now it's time to stop we're going to
we have to be conscientious now
yes
listen you guys canno have microwaves in like twenty years
if you're good
stop gating
yeah what do you think as someone to says that what do you think about the abiotic oil theory
oh i'm it's one hundred percent true dude i believe it too and that's thearsing you don't yeah
i do believe that it' it's all missing
its same thing with diamonds
so many of these things gold all these things
like when we talk about scarcity of resources or whatever
i
no no the scarcity is defined as like cre a creation like we prodess the idea of scarcity
through the mechanisms through which we're
where measuring all of these things
and we're not being they're not being measured by universal public authority
they're being measured by all these like fucking
shady shit outlets
who have very good good incentives for not estimating things correctly you know
like there's a whole like the black market economy the black economy is like almost as large as like the normal
the norm yeah yeah i heard ofb our economy
yeah
yeah it's thatst reality man it's like fucking
potash and cobalt
and
fuck in all that weirre just tons of weird small shit you would never think of it's like people making fortunes off of
of off of like
deviations of a penny in the price of fucking nails
oh yeah big yeah yeah that's how people make money yeah you're hundred percent right about that it's all
it's not fucking dodes coin it's super obscure yeah like
that's where real people make
fucking money it's a
i've thought about that shit myself because you know i
i'm trying to make money you know
like i've thought abou like oh how do i get into that but
yeah you really cachn
you know what i mean the real way to make money is after you've already had so much money
that
you can like just build these sorts of like fucking
crazy ass schemes
wherere like most of em don't work out
but the ones that do were like you have successes that
you recoup it's like that that's what venture capital is basically
yeah
true
what do you think this is going to be annoying question what do you think about ckrypto
um i think like so i've been interested in krypto since i was like fourteen or something like i've been reading about it since like wen you coins you a dollar you
did you buy a lot or
like n know i was really dumb when i was on i was like when i got really ino crypto i was like fourteen fifteen this is like in like two thousand and twelve again this is like a b coin was like
less than a dollar
and i was always like dam
i wish i had bought bitcoin
because it fucking kills me how cheap it was at that time
but you know
life goes on
true but i when i even when i was inspecting this when i was like a kid i wrote a paper in an economics class in high school about how bitcoins value was going to
come back after the mount gox heist i believe it was in two thousand and twelve
specifically take the
the bitcoin price i wade a paper about how it was going to come back and i was like yeah this was a speculative bubble
but the real inelastic value of bitcoin is its use in the black market
and the black market drug markets were still up
so bitcoin obviously still ha value
because people are still using the silk road for that
most drug markets don't use bitcoin anymore most you know ark web drug markets don't wt to useinarro
is how much drugs literally drive history and drive political economy dudy yes yes
yes
the british empire more than anything yeh it is a drug dealing empire
it's falcking insane you know
um
do you think you know it's all youn girl
they don't serve reallyver coffee
t
yea b um
nicotine and that the war in afghanistan i mean obviously that the poppy feels have something to do with that you know
oh yeah of course
course that they had something to do with it back when it was the great game and it was the fucking crimean war and britain was over there the first fucking time
but it's really crazy it's like drugs
and drugg their like
they served no essential purpose
they don't really you know they're just for recree you know
it's crazy hos a perfect
ya
utilitarian and cybernetic
pro because it's all pleasure
it's capital that converts into pleasure
true i'm like one day one
like basis
so
like what yet if you're just maximizing your pleasure
then you and that's like what we consider to be like the utilitarian like empire whatever liberty to choose your pleasures means selling
coke
in
the cities that's all it means
he reads selling a bunch of fucking cocaine
because you can convert cocaine
for money the it's the medium between money and pleasure
like you put the money down you get the cocaine the cocaine is consumed and turned into immediate pleasure like it's just
it's a direct line like bily to that you're fuck it's like
yes cybernaddicts
and neurology
met overlap
and it's also an affective way to dovorce people
is this is what capital' is all about you know according to marx
the divorce people from their means of production
right
you know
if someone's going bankrupt buying drugs
uh a few things happened right
there the real estate
where they live becomes cheap you just buy it out right you can you can gentrify where they live really easily
m
what they own i mean historically what they own their land everything but they'll go in debt and the and it it's a really
effective way of that was a plan yeah
those kind of a plan like the rockfellers they wanted to bomb out these neighborhoods so that they could redevelop them
and like that's another part of like what
like you know it's so hard to
hold on to these opinions in this history and talk to some people i feel like a lot of the times the only people you can talk to about like black lies matter are like
black people who have like not not just like
recent like
third gen immigrants or whatever but like african americans whose family like are kind of like proud african americans who like know a lot about their the history of african americans specifically yeah and like pay attention to the shit
because
like a lot of like burning down a lot of these
places and like them in the midwest or whatever
like
that all these white liberals were cheering on and shit
and they were doing it the summers
you know
yeah or going out there and doing that yeah point of that was to like destroy the property value these places so that these major real estate development corporations could buy them up
and that's like really what's happening that's it
yeah
yeah it's
it's a
it's really isn't ps men know it's a folking comedy you know like like
and tea for things the
they're bein revolutionaries and they're just clearing the way for
real estate and yes yes
yeah and and the the comedy though is that it's just like it goes on it's a machine that just
goes on you know it just
it keeps happening and it's like
it's almost like
people are almost at the level of livestock they're just fucking passive animals
completely oblivious to like
the fact that they're just part of this machine i know it sounds so
pretentious what i'm saying but i don't know how e's to
no n no no no no no no no that's like the ideal subject in a lot of ways if you look at like what the depiction of the every man like the positive depiction of the every man
and like british imperial literature it'll be that kind of guy he's like a good guy to the people around him but he's like fundamentally
confused or doesn't understand
like the global politics of the world
and the kind of prison like the idea really is like
we at the top we smart people our burden is to know that like all of the fictions
that we create for the masses to live under aren't real
but we have to w're we are we have the tragic existence of knowing that all of this is a fiction that we create
and
that's our burden that's our suffering and we do it all we have to we have to fucking go do ciops
we have to cover up all this shit and get our hands bloody
to make sure that the fucking animal like
unconscious masses
can live in a better beautiful like fictitious world
that we've curated for them
so that their sentiments are like
undisturbed and they maintained their
they're like virtue in there
in their ignorance
there their blissful ignorance
yeah yeah i mean
but i think also knowing this is another interesting thing about
this kind of conspira i don't know it's not a conspiracysm is like a word makes it seem like this is
you know
some
fringe shit rather than like really accessible information but
but i mean by conspiracy like
you just know that
there's different
this is what people can't wrap their fucking heads around
right and it applies to marxes too
your individual phenomenal experience
of the world
is on a different scale
than the actual
development of
real plans real political
changes
and
isn't that why marxists have an issue with china because
they're so because marxists want to feel like socialism is just something we experience
individually at this direct phenomenal level
rather than something that is similar to a conspiracy in the sense that it's just it's development occurs on a different
level of scale
and time scale as well
than what we perceive individual like on the one hand you have these
a fockedup
you know
conspiracies in the west of
you know the
the real estate that we're talking about the way people are making money capital that kind of thing that is occurring on a scale that's beyond individuality of course
but also maybe on the positive note it's like
that's also how socialism is too right in china whatever's going on
however their society that societyy you don't need it you don't need all the chinese people to be socialists yeah exactality or something precisely yeah
exactly yeah
like that's how the liberals think they think that you know it's hearts and minds hearts and minds hearts and minds you know that's what they always say that's the
the psychological warfare aspect of it
it's not even like
like that's what's so fucx
about so much of it right is like you know we even suck as an empire why didn't we just go into afghanistan
just turn them into a state
the fifty second state or whatever
like
give them all fucking thing like
you're a citizen now
we don't do that
we don't do that we thn'k we don't do that puerto rico or samoa we don't just go like hey look
your state now
and you have to they go but figure it out we don't do that
we don't do that with them
but we have to make sure their hearts and minds are in the right spot yeah we we're very devoted making sure their hearts and minds are their sentiments are well tuned
yeah i mean
it's
yeah it's like this fucking
n i feel like the hearts and minds thing at this point is just like purely synible
you know like
it's like that i don't know man
yeah
i think they really believe
like i think this is like
i think it's like some of them are obviously cynical
but i don't think
it's sort of like how you can like there's people become like post ironically the thing that they were being ironic
but even if they're doing it cynically at some point or they thought of it cynically at a certain point you can't really live like that
like you're right you're going to keep going and you're going to justify it to yourself and you're going to like that's just how it works like there's no one who's like
ah i'm mster cynical like manipulating people
like the no no no there they have very strong sentiments
and they feel very authentically about those sentiments
the thing is that they're just like
their interests are parasitical interests
you know
like
they it's not their fault
like
necessarily
like it shouldn't really we shouldn't really expect people to like be other than what they are
but
these people like the rich people etc they really do feel like in their sentimentality that they're looking out for the interests of everyone in the world or whatever
yeah
you're right nww
i
yeah honestly it's like
they're they're liberating
you know all those l g b t people are just waiting for american bombs to come and free them you know because
yeah they'll think about the like time magazine report they read about the the little girl who like couldn't go to school in afghanistan and how like yeahational forces operateor
like after he massacred a bunch of people in the fucking kandahar valley went back
and she was going to school and she was learning math and
it was a little hallmark moment and it was like you know what
i do support the war in iraq like this is people thes a people's minds are made up of these little anecdotes and stories
know and that's how the our neoliberal pathology works es basically
oh you know
it's almost like a reverse red pill where it's like
oh i used to think wars were bad and all this kind of stuff
but now i realized that was all a deception turns out
it's like the negation of the negation you know like turns out
the whole time it's the you knowed
it was exactly as the yeah the propagandists were saying you know
it is almost likest it is like a post ironic thing you know these like new whatever
they're not really neal they like kind of but they're they're neo neo i think about it but
yup
marvel the end game movie or whatever the last one with theanos in or whatever
i think it's kind of funny because
thanos is like represents bentha my
yeah cosmology like that's
and he's he represents the what exists as the crisis of liberalism
like in the marvels avengers universe or whatever
like he is the end result
of the their dialectical crisis or whatever
but
there's no way in the movie that they defeat him
by
logic or something or through some
they they do it through pure mystification
like
they they do this weird time travel thing and when the character within the movie is exact asked like
how does this time travel thing even work
there's an inside joke within the movie where it's just like
like what is this time travel like this other time travel movie how does this time travel work for us to defeat
like malthus and bentham
and they're like
don't worry about it man don't think about it it just works
it just works
we all got together
everyone's here look we've got everyone together
look there's the guys from the black panther movie look a's the gardens the galaxy guys
look it's all of the representatives
we got all the representatives together in united in their sentiment
that means
that the mauthus at the center of our idiology will just disappear
through fucking magic
yeah yeah it's like you notice how in these fucking movies
you always tell the truth of the movie base on the villain you notice in this movie like
they actually made this is this is the opposition we deal with right
so there necessarily has to be a difference between the truth and
that als represents truth right
like this is what he get they actually believe ok yeah fans you're right there is overpopulation
but because we're morally good people or because it looks the power of our sentiments yeah exactly the overccording to the power of our senatorally nazi odd idiology yes that's way to strength
like stud that's literally
do do you like for example
like
no seem taleb exposed how fucking i q is literally a sham it's literally all bullshit right
but
secretly we all you know liberal itiology believes in race science and it believes in i q and all this shit
but it just because of sentimentality it just says oh yeah it's not real you know it's like
it's not a thing but they actually do believe in
you know
it's the same thing when it comes yy yes
malsusianism all it's just
they believe only they believe it like
i do prefer the empiricist of the rationalist because the rationalists will take like i q and they'll be like
they'll posit i q as being basically like an entity that exists in the world
like you know like a real entity
toree the empiars will say emperss will say listen i q is like this trait it's a psychometric
coral it's like a statistical
fucking pattern
that recurs in
outputs or whatever results
in various types of games yeah have sweek arguably associated skills
so we're going to call this like the medic qualitative skill
of like skillfulness at skillful blok like that empiricist will like
dissolve it
into that and be like so yeah it can bas it's basically a prediction of how good you will be doing chess puzzles
basically
something like that
and it's like yeah ok i guess that correlates with certain other things
so like
bike
it's not like it's not real or it doesn't exist
's that it's just like not that important
it's not t it's only important to like a highly like tech economy where most jobs are like
doing word puzzles
yeah
throuh
yeah you know i think that tll and allb had like a pretty to me persuasive like
taked down of it i don't know
it was like it yeah i know he was coming out it from like a
ything about hoalw basically the model
the modes like procrestys bed sort of situation yeah
which is which is what but he's an empiricist exactlya yeah i know a lot of is an em perst yeah yeah so that's like
he's like he's like the ultimate empiricist
because you get all the way to the end of the impiricystm they go like yeah we construct all this shit like we' supposed to
like that's good i like those appearances
because they at least are like talking yeah like we i'd be honest toms like the only guy who likes popper that i don't hate
you know
me i mean telem so funny
yeah it is such a funny combination of ideas
but
but yeah i do like tal but he's
he's always like he's always like listening like i'm a socialist at the local level yeah but i'm a liberal at the highest
like yeah he he he's got an interesting view of the world
yeah he's yeah i love him he's really funny
but he's the best of pierceis because you know like that exactly he's an em piar sist which is why it's like i q is
he's like yeah he's an actual he was real he's an actual like consistent empiricist right which
which you know the mainstream is not
you know
and
yees
the other thing is like when they talk about i q or whatever and they're like they're like oh man like
people with low i q likey they can't they're not useful in this economy or whatever that's a problem
and it's just like
do you care about people like you like what dore you what are you suggesting we do
because most of the time they're just kind of like dot dot dot like
so who's to say if it's really that bad if we had a sterilization program or something
like it's always like they're leaving like dot dot dot open
yeah you never have like a suggestion of what we do about the fact like we're also way it's true like the wll listen the whole fannels thing they coud divide between truth and sentiment
it's basically a way to hypocritically manage
like
maybe there will be a kind of eugenics program and all these people will be flooded with opioids and die off
but it won't it won't hurt our sentiments because we will experience it as just like an
unfortunate tragedy rather than something engineered you know what i mean
n know it will actually it'll spawn some superheroes to take it up as their personal cause yeah right
and then after the violence is done
when they failed yeah maybe one or two of them not even the higher up people to justice after beating up a bunch of the low level goons
and
ah
yeah
and that's i will all experience that narrative and that will sentimentally inform us and make us all better people
yeah
yeah definitely
that's the idea
that's it
sentimental engineering man wi's the most totalitarian
i'm just real a like this we live in the most fucking totalitarian
sort of tyranny
you imaginable and you know that's the case because no one can see it for what it is
like
no one would agree with you
hardly
to be like yeah we live in like this to talllitaran dictatorship or if they do agree with you
they would they'd be like
they'd have some other thing about it like it would be like the anti peole like oh it's yeah it's like
it's a white sup it's white supremacist patriarchy or whatever you talk to the right people on the right the're like yes it' like global communism like that totalitarianism we live
and it's like kind of in between those two actually it's actually the liberal to talllitary yeah i think people really don't appreciate like
is this something
like uniquely
like it doesn't have to be communism it doesn't have to be fascism
there's some
is something uniquely american you know it's like a uniquely american project
that has deep roots you know
a
it's not it's not like so world fair dude it's the chicago world fair yeah yeah that's what people get science science science is the protagonist of the world
not even us
we're we don't exist we exist to serve science
and with an understanding
that's all we existed wre where we're a little nodes in the mass computer of the human race
and our job is to like
you know harvest data
for the for the for the combine
yeah
it's fucked up man
yeat the world's fair if you want to look it up this is this is the model of the world's fair i posted the defunct land documentary on it which is really good
the model the world's fair was science finds
industry
ah
industry plans or something and then man conforms
man was at the bottom it's science is the active
it's like science science finds
industry plans or adapts
man conforms
yeah that's whatre our job is to conform to the science will find the truth
the industrialist the capitalists they will produce our reality and we will conform to it
shit ya
that's freedom
all right i'm definitely going to get off in a second we've been talking for a while but this so yeah yeah
i got to use a bathroom too
yeahight i'm just sig off to because i also have to go back to oh yes it was a really good conversation honestly really good talk
yeah it's really good i love talking to you man i'll come on whenever but it sure ma sounds good nice nice chatting
see later man
please
but
she
are guys um
i got toh
use the bathroom i'll literally be right back
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let me put this up here
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we're going to have a debate after this we're going to debate that fucking bitch
goo inete likeects well guy
right after this
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guys
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the i'm back
alright let me uh
may tel this lowle beitch
there he is
we're waiting for him to come in
wa's beach
want to get in v c
they were waiting
meanwhile we can actually debate that other guy too because this guy's probably going to take a little bit
where's that fockin guy in the chat what's his name
the anglo empire was's his name anglo liberal world order
let's debate him to liberal world order
we're going to debate liberal world order
we're going to be debating a few people
there's a guy talking a lot of shit in the jat
the a liberal world order the fuck his name was
oh shit the guy responded
without responded
you see
what di he say
yeah i down to have a conversation
last time we didn't have anything to talk about now we do
you didn't v c the
what all these stupid copras in the chat
i bet infrared is is going to champ out and say why do you fucking try damage control even before it happens like yeah i am going to fuck him up
in the sense i'm going to expose him as a stupid folk be doesn't know anything about marxism
but i don't have to yell i'm going to let him say what he wants
and make his little points obviously i need him to make his points so i know what to respond to
the fog
this is such a cope
it's such a fucking cope
because let me tell you guys something when i dot fucking yell they start to talk over me and you guys notice that
you guys notice that one in a chat if you notice that
when i don't yell and shit they literally start to talk over me and they don't let me talk
that's what fucking happens
it's a war of domination
there's always these people will never have a civil conversation so yes it's going to be guerrilla games war of domination i guarantee you i'm going to be dominating this conversation
k
let's be clear about something
i'm going to be dominating this com rec let this little bitch ass talk over me because that's all they fuck and do is try to talk over me
stupid bitche
he's a very play partner then why didn't the audience immediately cope that i was going to yell over him
what do they what do they expect we anticipated
stupid fuck
when have i ever not wanted debate i always want every debate
i've always won i've let them i always say get to your point
i only start yelling over them when they don't get to a point they just mouth off about the tone they always make meta comomentary about my tone you ever notice how you're to shut the fuck up and make your point
they can't make points that i haven't addressed
i've never lost the debate on ironically i've never lost one
ironically i haveve never lost one
on ironically i've never lost a fucking debate in my life
yeat they always pivot the bullsion
you know
it cann not piv it
is this pussy going to get in v c or not
what a pussy dod
what a litteral pusssy
what a literal pussy dude
he always pussies out
he's literally such a pussy
he wrote fucking five paragraphs
he can't come on and defend it like a man
because he knew he fucked up
he nknew he focked up
what a fuss he do
what a literal fucking unironic pussy
annagarakas whatever his fucking name is
literal unironic pussy
beards looking clean i'mbout to shave it dude i'mout to shave it
i'm going to shave it off so it's just the outline
it's getting too big and bushy
he's the biggest pussie in my oldestcard
he talks so much shit he can't defend anything
what a fuck in pussy
what a literal fucking pussy unironic bitch pussy
ok i guess this's his little thing his little essay means nothing then
he just was shit posting basically was trolling
he was just writing shit down he didn't even understand what he was saying
and now that i'm here to hold on to it he's not going to
he's not going to defend it
that's basically what's going on he wasn't serious
it wasn't actually a critique
it wasjust the shit post that wasn't even serious
he can't even defend anything he said
he didn't even know what he and i could tell because he din't even know what he was talking about
didn't even know the fuck you was talking about
such a persy
i can retard
none of our haters will ever so much as rise to the challenge of debating
they just can't do
who's this
how do i have this much haters
but no one wants to buck in debate
i got so many haters
but they're too scared to say it to me
they we know they wouldn't say it to my face i mean that's a given they wouldn't say it to my face
but they won't even get in v c and say dude
they won't even get in v c and say that
sit
all the shit talk they tell me
they talk so much shit dude
is julie the bitch
juliy the pussy
ah inferret is ugly common i'll debate julie too
deuli whatever the fuck his name is
because they know i know what i'm talking about
they know that i am not just
i'm not just
the shit
here
i'm not just a big gorilla here
the alpha gorilla
hcpsally know what i'm talking about
whatever
you know what i mean
like they know i have that deadly combination
like i actually do know what i'm talking about
in ninety nine percent of the people who come to debate me
i'm just defending myself
because they make assumptions of because they have sound like a nerd so they think they can make assumptions about what i'm saying what i mean
you know
yeat they're used to reporting each other on twitter
they can engage in a free and open debate they just can't engage in a free and open debate
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let void burn on to discuss death stranding
thank you full much appreciate it man i just i don't know i'm too tired to talk about
i'm too tired for another discussion i can't have another discussion tonight
i'm too tired but thank you for much i appreciate it
i'm way too tired for another discussion ok i i'm i only
i can have a debate i can't
keep up with the discussion
because people out of bit aren't smart you know i'm sure voydburns got smart shit to say
logo is actually smart
so like
it actually takes effort you know to keep up with the conversation
when i did baby but these are all fucky everyone who every one of my haters is retarded meant i don't have one smart hater
i don't have one smart leaer ok so when i debate them it's the easiest thing in the world to me it's super fucking easy
i have so much energy and it's super easy because it's literally
it's literally arguing with a fucking child pretty much
i don't have any smart haters or detractors even
no one's smart
no one's smart
ah who hates me
wise spinnows a bad
read conkant
spiritually philosophers try to explain the material the universe and what we're talking about
schedule joel davies
doud our haters talk so much shit
they never show themselves
they never show themselves
they're so scared dude they're so fucking scared
they hater guys
so whenever you see haters of infraret i guess why you remember this shit
they're so scared
we'll aver get someone from the eff on the show probably eventually
eventually
art vandalting get in fuck and v c pussy
it's a falk and v c you fock and pussy
you're not scared come to baby in v c
art vandaly
and get in v c
the fog
the fuckn we see
i ain't scared then where are you i'm waiting for you
you scared the shit
you scared to shit
i've been fucking waiting for you to come and show you then
what happened h
stupid bite
i'm not joining caing exactly so you are scared
why does julie disagree with you on
he just talked a lot of shit about me
exactly
this is literally what they say
i'm not scared i just don't wanta g beated out right now
i'm not scared has i just don't want to lose ok i'm not scared has i just know you're smarter than me you know more than me
and i don't want to get slapped around in front of everyone exposed for be talking a lot of shit and not having any way to back any of it up
i would defeat hodan a debate both intellectual and physically prove it pussy
literally prove it
falking prove it you fulking pussy
litery can prove it
come fucking prove it me and tart virtue
no one at a time bee you get yours one at a time
it'll get yours one at a time
stupid pussy you need two people
no bitch
come the baby
terre get in v c
and if you want to test the whole physical theory you should test that
con test that too
what you mean so easy artvan get in v c
walking pussy
parks the guy who goes
all analytic philosophy is meaningless how are you going to debate when you just prove you'r retard who doesn't understand things
i don't get it that's all you're saying is you don't get it because you're too stupid
this castit meaningless what are you going a fucking debate about
prove it's meaningless
i'm finding meaning in it a lot of people find meaning in it
so prove it
the fog
you are a syllogism to defeat wasoh but you hate analyt yeah because i was mocking you people
three way debate w w e super slam thank you voider appreciate it ma
appreciate it
you'll havever to realize this is where it's poppen
i don't know if you guys
understand this is where it's pocket right
this is where she look at the title of the stream this is literally where shit is at all the fucking cool people are here
literally all the cool people are here
what do you think is going on here
this is where she's popping
we get the platform from twitch that's ok shit still is popping here
we're still here vibing we're still here you know shit its still going on here you know
it's ok you can deep platform s from twitch
i mean shit is still part it's a party every night you know every night
two hundred and we got the two hundred army
but i'm trying to get to three hundred why are we still at two hundred you tube soits get more
we get more on you tube why why we stuck at two hundred
you'll see three hundred
stop being so borned the fuck out of here bitch
how was the boy we had like a three hour conversation
you'll never get that anywhere else how was it born
how was it born
let me notify the cox to g in v c
let me change failed intellectual's name because he's deserving this
ah let me see
bailed intellectual whorre is he
right here
changing his name
a
biled intellectual cower
no way after it ided
ow
it was not
perfect
say
he's a coward
got to change his name
witkenstein would intellectually dominate hegel he couldn't even fuck and dominate
been even fucking dominate
and bert ran russell how is going to fuck and dominate hagel
fok
he was just a troll at best
you should try to organize noll do i'm big enough
the wherere we just to get people coming like that
nobody wants cloud anymore you know
winkenstein was an engineer so he should stick to being a fucken engineer
and stop talking about philosophy which has nothing to do with that
how about that
itittginsteiin
it can stim
he was literally fucking schitzer
he was a schitzo troll
should stick to engineering
as the karos i always see you talking shit about islam and the jaz
the're always sitting on islam all the time on the chect
what is your problem
literally what is your problem
wittgenstein was not a genius he was a spur
you guys don't think i notice you in the chat i fucking remember everyone
i remember everyone
okay
i' remember all of you and all your sins
i know all of your sins i know each and every one of your sins
first of all i read the had the
so
yes i remember you jennifer of course i do you're the first person in the chet
name my sins g man
you're never a year
no need for german idealism materialism
there's no such thing as materialism without german idealism
do you remember yes i do with the most annoying fart
you actually know your sins
what do i think of the laruche movement there coul
debate kevin cast
c if he gets in b c i'll do the band right now if he gets in b c
debate
u i got in religious forums to defend islam until twenty sixteen
o youre exs muslim
oh shit you're ex muslm
pinion shane come and b c i'm not going to yell at you just curious i was the next muslim too
i'm mysterious
aren't we see
not going to yell you not can you mean
so you can't spooke me youread to forgot my sins no void wur you'll have sins you
ah
i'm a
ex muslim too religion is nothing but a cruch
starc you're literally the fucking unit
boy slave of the anglos that's what you are tiring
you literally
abandon islam to become an adolidotard
you're literally a traitor to everything
you're the biggest trader dude
you literally the fucking boy unit of the fucking
anglos
you literally are
the parking
eunch bussy for anglos
you literally give your bussy to anglers
religion is the opium for the masses
sort of beds
what's your take on palestine versus israel israel i don't recognize the
read the islamic and you will change your opinion
two
dude i used to be an ex muslims but i still kind of am
i don't know if i
i used to be an muslim too what you're fuck'm talking about
i think i'm just like some fanatic
think i'm like some fanatic guy i'm not
i literally left islam and was an atheist for a long time
do you drink at all has not really actually i really don't
honestly i don't
send me the fatoos recipe
n
what do i think about
well
i don't know much about it
i send to you that the
solution in
qoranism
is qoranism in reform
i used to think that too but it's not possible
koranism is not possible
as it is a liquidationist position hadids
cannot be
liquidated
i send you to the slute
boranism is not
is liquidation it's historically liquidations
you can just
negate how historically people have
interpreted the quote on
it's part of the history to
ex muslims think islam is inherently reactionary
because they have foccon
they have
they're brainwashed by white people
they think that initially and then they're going to come back
when they realize whate people will never accept them
you will always be muslim
you can't leave islam you'll always be muslim
what are my favorite books
you coat ont
honestly if you
debated keith woods
who is he
what are your thoughts on white people
they need to stop being obsessed with dogs
liberals will dominate the world willve fucking clock dude
little your cook
literally you fluck in
zurop
you're fuking
he' he's advertised in that bosy for the anglo
he's literally advertising bussy for the anglles
that's what he's doing in the chat
he's advertising his bussy for the anglos
that's what he's doing
you read
heathwoods is a very popular third position guye
i love how no one just comes in v c to talk shit like
the v c is open
you literal me just ge't shoke you i drag you up no one will falkn do it
proscure
what are your thoughts on hider and uggin
i like m
why do i hate pit bulls
i hate other people's pitples but i might do one myself
bukuyama himself retracted his theory
yeah i know
video chat yeah
you can get on video
i can get on video do i watch mm a sometimes
you have see yes sometimes
my thoughts on heid again
is that is a conti cok on ap would dominate him yet did we get it you're given up that
that middle eastern boussi to the anglo
you're giving up that bussie
that brown bussy to the anglo that's what you're doing we get it man we get it
don't worry i'll angls in the chet
there you go he's given up free brown bussi for you there you go
there you go
is haideger a europeanoid
he's european but at least he's not a racist
at least he uh
he's against at least iideger
is compatible with our traditions
ideverse compatible with islam he's compatible with our traditions
that fucking anglo bullshit you talmy compatible it's not compatible
i'd videotell you but i'm not like a political genius
i could
possibly
pirus i would feel you just screaming
then don't come
you think being in time was a cope for hi no history and class consciousness is satanic
it's an evil book it's an evil work
i completely reject it
i did it was right
history and class consciousness
is the most needallistic shit ever
imagine leaving islam to become an an analyttard exactly dude
iw was ideger so misled
becaus he was a fucking german dude
why do i have to choose between islam and anglo and you don't you don't have to but if you're muslim you do
islam needs a reformation
islam will never be reformed but muslim culture can be reformed
ok what's the sassoo shit about hah
how will the sect seen after the communist take over
you still won't get any pussy
who was the sesssun thing was the sessun thing
what made you go back to islam
it's complicated
let's examine shut up taric with the fot
someone come in and explain what the sasoins mean
but come in and explain what saturm you're talking about what are you talking about sasurm
would you talk about sasoon
what do you mean what is a sasoon
some jewish family from baghdad
but you think when logo said lues was an opp he's probably right
the lose probably was 'tk
wouldn't surprise me
that doesn't mean i don't i think he's not worth
understanding but he probably wasn't i don't buck at um
ya marcusa was a falken hawt
i know that
whose it wasn't
viattari made him an arp
maybe
ots on gram she overrated
sassoon is responsible for the opium war what the fuck is that
ine und is better than hagel
she was a fucking
she copied lenon
ein ran copied lenon
thught a lord
only non cia op
maybe
there are many arabic cool philosophers probam as hadeiths
no the prom is philosophy
philosophy is the problem religion's fine philosophies will ruins everything
lots of people from the balconiy
n
opinions on going on
l't wearing navolala
they're all interesting
would you take nig onants
he scraunched
what do you is
someone is in show you
oh my god i'll k holdl
's this falconlo beach
what are beachs
on nutrited
on mutual shiit
he's literally muted
with the fuck is this
literally muted
literally muted
literally muted
literally muted
he's literally muted himself
you're australian
okay
go here
you're from new zealand
why ca you sal that island from those
those people the maori
pardon
like what you doing in that place like you stole that whole shp from the maori
a i beat if you say so
like what are you e been doing in that part of the world
how do you know i'm not married
becuse i know we're ut there with you
sure whatever you say
you're not burried
i maade if he says that
show me your face you're not maurried
n ium
how to you knowow
because you're in my club jayl that's why
ah
very co so anyway
but is this is this like pink it streamight
no no it's just uh
it's just in private i just want to talk private
however
what youd to talk about
so
first of all
what are you doing in that
that place in the world like
you just sailed a boat in just
decided to live on that land whath s you got to do with that land
what am i to get to do with that land i just to live on it i guess
i' be so as long as everyone repate that once you go back i
well european people are settled here now so like it kind of makes
that's for them to just stay in re let me ask a question what's the point of new zealand
tell me what new zealand does for the world why s what's the point of it just like any other state it's an organization why should i re so best why should i respect the sovereignty of new zealand
like
who said new zealand deserves to it
shouldn't indonesia take over that place
why it din sia
i don't know why it's a agia for any particular like
just for fun i'm just saying like what
like what does new zealand do for the world besides
talk about kiwis you know
i
well i would pticipate to global trade it's just an organization of people making up a state justvery other state
what do you trad kiwis lots of food stuff
milks quite a big thing here
that's it
yeah
but i'm sure there's other fing that's not gods heaps abouter things actually that's not good enough pp heaps of like food products and stuff
that ain't good enough
that's not what people really like that food
what is iw provid i'm never be done to anyone
what do is new zealand done for the world what's the point of the
provided
people were fied by produc a get that sell again
not good enough
shaw
it wiped in my jail
why are you in jail
because you put the a there a gds
ask yourself that question
wh i put you in jail
why you put me in jail
yeah
i'm not exactly sure be artest
but i would be very pleaced enoughf you could tell
why do you people have a problem with me
ight who'se iight' proone with you
i just say all you know people from new zealand and australia
and that part of the world you all got a big problem with me and i want to know why
wll how do you do if you dont some like everyone
so many of my haters come from there
h
to that well that's funny
so wait why why did i put you in jail
because he felt like it i guess as i say ask yourself that question what did you do that was warranting that result
once again you have to ask yourself that question
beause i i don't fuk and remember
but how long have you been in jail
hap to go with thinku
as you know
why still post in jail then alic why are you still here
i don't
but it's prefy often actually occasent labor by to people that sincerely where you from what's your community from
like online
what what what online community from
what do you mean by that
like a
like what
like what dore you like a destiny fan
a not he's ok but i have some serious issues with m on was
ah yeah voh is pretty col
we wash fa he's mostly good
he's fat as he
of
great arcument
what's that
that was a great icument
i'm the blowing away
but am i wrong
well i i don't see how it matters to be quite honest
but he's cringed
he's crene
yeah say that
like i don't know ok you're a wash fan so i want to get in the mind of a wash fan like
do you what do you see in him
how can you sit for hours a day watching that guy
i do was fireay w that do you i finre like you like shs a lot of stuff right yeah do you do you aspire to be like that you realize the people you watch and become
so you want to look like him you want to be as fat as him
you want to talk like him
you want to like be lovei n know that is it why i watch people actually that's i watch them because i like their ideas that would be physiciss a a human being is the product
of their soul
so every all of wash's ideas
you're looking at the end result when you look at him you're looking at the end result of all of his thoughts and views
and that's the amazh
ah i see
yeah
so why do you admire that and why do you want to become that
i'm sorry but i don't think that's how ideology is our works
you're looking at what you're looking at the sum total you're looking at the end result
what if you sad
what have his what
i sad whatever you say
that's true idio you won't ook you think you're going to find a an admirable man who has wash his use
like a man you would aspire to be
who has voshed his views you would not
think about it and i ok ok what regulates our willingness to say certain things and believe certain things
ultimately
it has to do with what type of person we are
right
the reason also says go thing ilse you if you say do really ugly things you become ugly physically
i don't think that's a very it's veryfferent way of telling have you seen an attractive person ugly views
um ya right i this i ha
show me this like
there's like plenty of attractive people if iglie show
show you do you want some example yes show me an example
thiss of like ok let's find some exub
show me
you consider ugly views like
just look at this like
is a
physically
attractive you might say people with
literally any ideology the stuff doesn't seey you much of a bear w
how right you are o
ya who kitps it
i'm not i'm not going to go name names be cause the you're just going to off on some were tangent
now tell me you it
oh just just look it up just look up like attractive conservative or something and you'll get hips and results just think off the top of your head
sure you know
no
if you say so look at the difference between a guy named mendel and licencle who's uglier
that two people you're comparing you could mendod and licental who's uglier
go ae
wo's that plaer
i r rendel is fucking ugly
wait so you folt you felt what example so that what example proves this whole role
ok name one ugly communist name one ugly prominent communist
um
i bey do
karl marx was
no he wasn't
there's nothing ugly about this it was quite which doesn't really hoch that you are you talking about
name one prominent ugly communist
name one
one prob well i most of them are old so i mean are you just going to dismiss that as they're old so it doesn't count or
no it's not goning to count offle just old
ya okay so then
wehll i don't know where you want me to look so the end of the point soo i don't like just look by watching my w ly b i watching to was you're becoming that you're literally becoming that type of person
like you never noticed os you ever notice when voss laughs his tddy start bouncing is that what you want to be
i don't think this is how viewing cont it works and he's so flabbyes he's so flabby his tiddies bouncing everywhere his milkshakes bringing all the boys to the yard
that's what you want
your fell of compliments but
no well i would prefer the dot be like over way but
the know it's not just be it's not just that he's overweight
when he laughs
his whole body sweating and shaking it's the most disgusting thing
is that what you want to be
i din't see this is your outlook so why do you watch i don't really care
i wouldn't want to look exactly like you either felt like that wouldn't stop me a watching of you guess what i take care of myself
i take care of myself guys good
ya co
so i am a model
to look up ance aton
like when i say like oh do you think people should follow your example probably
go yeah go go work out be take care of yourself you know i'm saying be about your business
and uh you know have some swagger about you and i think i am a good model for people to look up to
and you know
yeah i do buit it
i bet that stars
it's very cover
but when i watch political content i'm looking for i'm looking at someone's political idea it's all like they sace looks like
it's tha but i listen
was
it's all
he is the end proroduct of his views
is then
he is what it
you want to o what does it look like for someone to believe what was does look at boss that's what it looks like
i be
do you can you think of anything that'serhaps like a little bit more serious to discuss other than
bush ugly so he was also i would even say he's ugly by the way ys al proably like a over way
no he's itmally here about
he's ugly
i read if you say so but that's like a pretty subjective sort of effect so not every we s on and also on
he's stupid he doesn't know anything
isn't he he's just stupid to hows he stupid tell me about it he doesn't know anything about any of the subject matters he talks about
ah does it
well you can you like give me an example
do you know anything about marks
are you talking about the
the thiss evil voting thing
everything
he doesn't know anything about anything
well i don't i haven't like looked at all the dips of fary so i'm probably not going to bother to feed agm there but how do you feel about less evil voting
it's retarded
how
what do you mean how because it's not about whether it's the lesser evil or not
it's about the facts
that
wash treets
voting as if
you're doing
what everyone is going to like
he treats it as though like you're acting in such a way that
you should have the reasonable expectation that everyone should and would act the way you're acting
but what os doesn't understand is that
he's not addressing a universal subject w' going to determine
how people vote
how people vote at the polls
is not determined by
b what they arrive at rationally logically or by what political streamers tell them on youtube
so he's act is completely pointless when he told people to take the less aricle because it's not even your choice to make play because peopleo
people do vote based on these what they say on by and large you think political campaigns spend money on online advertising but no but by and large people are not going to be voting
pased on
mm
rational
ah
conclusions drawn by people like wash or even them th and hom of them well
some of them absolut not decisively
um that's not necessarily true some yes elections come down like a few hundred votes which
could be the difference between a
good
a better person or a worst person wen still not absolutely makes a difference still not decisive
well i i you say so but absolutely cad' the
no but it's not
but by that okay by that's
that ok let me ask you this if b if someone like bosh is the size
right as we say
he's decisiveh
why didn't he
so why isn't bernie president of the united states
that would be like
i think that's kind of like makes a litt really no sense
it's why not i
because doesn't have that kind of influence but you uss st we did
in certain situations he could but that doesn't mean he can get little why can't w so why can't he use that as leverage and tell the democrats hey democrats if you don't have bernie
i'm not going to you're not going to have the site voter basey and we're not going to vote and then trump's going to win
yes he can do that but he doesn't yet have wife leverage
in that situation if he doesn't have the leverage if he doesn't have the leverage situations how but if he doesn't have the leverage to get the candidate that he wants
he doesn't have the leverage
to get byed elected over trump either
se
wile he potentially can and ifver ot makes a difference in these situations we've had elections that we don't know what no elect you're saying it's not about the lesser evil it's just about atentially he can
but
you can a ok usually could a bofer why doesn't that but if he can potentially make the difference that should also figure into the calculus of the democrats and he should be able to use it as leverage
because the democrats want to w
win more than voh wants them to win the democrats want to win over trump
so
why do we need wash to have that calculus of that potential why can't that potentiality be recognized by the democrats
and voss can use that as leverage get bernie elected
becauseough its leapridge can make a difference and is important it still isn't large enough for the democratic idy to take seriously
ramber this is a huge political organization so why do't so why is ok if the democratic party isn't taking it seriously
why would
as a moral agent
someone not voting be at fault for trump getting elected when it was the democratic party's fault
the're not recognized
what do you mean
right that
i don't think it's like someone who doesn't vote i wouldn't
put all the moral blame on them if trump got elected again
but i would say they should have voted to prevent that from happening but i wouldn't like put full moral responsibility on to them or anything
boss telling inplet of vote is not decisive
and even if i was made a difference though elections have come down withen you're saying it can make a difference you know what yes you know what you know it is actually certain to make a difference
spending your time energy and resources
instead of voting building an alternative to the
two party duopoly
you can that's not a can and yt and you can i can
that sounds awesome let's do both of those things no you can't do both
voting doesn't take that much time you can vote can tell people i vote for biden
you can't tell youeople to vote for briting because it's going to stick with you
wasat telling people to vote for biting is ca as stic
he will never have any legitimacy or credence in any type of ant estousment third party
because he was the guy who was shilling for biden
no that's not true you know he's even slightly intelligent can notice that lis everyole voting and being anti establishment oh no one thinks it's like and crit is d in me of the establishment for most american people is but he's still a lisa evil chalk thk you so much dollars tanky thank you so much cocky appreciate it yeah it isn't i don't care whatbut your whole lesser evil type of bu less lesser evil is it's reredy of poet
lesser evilism assumes that it's your choice to begin with how is it your choice it's not your choice
way no it doesn't
you just get put in certain situations and thre evel the right wd ruleter lesser evil according to which choice
the bit in verg trump was not your choice to make
that's the difference if it was your choice to make it
you should have gotten bernie elected
so it's not your choice but the whole point of liss ep was that he wasn't a choice to leave those t so why can you say bernie is not a choice but i can't say by is not a choice a primary why didn't you lie why did you ose the primary
because people didn't vote for him
okay didn't get enough so so those people
don't have to ooever bte them either
beause a biden cad they don't have it to isten i sy why this is why people like wasoh fuck over socials everything
because listen
this is what he should have done
since you democrats don't need the bernie vote
bll good luck with ram
see
what
yeah tell you a library of that a little said okay since you don't need us
you should be reasonably willing to risk trump getting elected by not voting
because the democrats have already
given you i
what they think that they don't need you
yeah the democrats don't think they need you but
that's because the democratic party is bad and we know ok is why we call listen so why are you defense why are you why you keep propping them up why don't you let them get defeated again so won't get away with the law do letterm get away with you'r enabling them you're like enabling an abuser why do we etting them get away with what
why i would rather and i would rather enable the weak abuse of than worse abuse take overs with it why is trump so much worse is what list evil voting is why you so much worse
what wise
why is trump worth yeah
i'm look at look at social policy that's like a build a good study for example
i'm his
his views on on
his social conuld sevtism who can pt even i always go to the thing that's about your p
just kep it in your poks
way i don't know what you're talking about but always talk about like
you always go to sex you know it's the first thing on you feel like so is restricting the someth that somehow it is ho he's restricting your pep
just keep it in your pants dude this the first thing i went to what i asked you why trump is more evil in the first thing you went to was about your p p
why n know it wasn't it was social issues i i am assuming you told you was some bullshit that the very important
like what for example absolutely means something like what like racism
ok you talk ay racis bidens more racist than not just racism i'm talking about a lot ho was i was how is biden less racist than trump practically speaking
i cay biden at least rhetorically
by it and it's very like what is more time bas this means so so the so soll wait if rhetorically is a measure of something why can't we just rhetorically be against trump rather than vote against him
why do we have to take action to vot against him
great because
o k this is really weird
viork mattis but that's not saying retoric is the ble and indol
this mot pu buts it's likely enough for you to to tell people to tell your audience to go
get out of bed and go vote
and waste your time voting it's decisive enough
for you to tell him to do that
um ya it is
because i think people should fo so so why why is that the site why is it of such decisive significance rhetoric
if rhetoric is of decisive significance
then you can just say
i rhetorically oppose trump but i don't want to hold against him you did you consider that perhaps my rhetoric
and joe biden's rhetoric might be on different levels but it sure social sure but i'm telling you joe bidens rhetoric is completely meaningless has no practical significance
so just just to make you feel good basically
so it's anotter
it's enough that biden makes you more comfortable and makes you have to avoid
the objective racism and you don't have to actually
confronted
you can just ignore it like you always did before
someone who's taken seriously by millions of people is very important and influences the real world to a cw stin
how
because i do you unember the coup when trump supports attacked the capitol building that was walck not a wass
oliangmrked capital
that was a result of trump's rhetorate
not why should i care about what happened at capitol hill i don't care what happened democracy we democracy democracy can suck my cock
i don't care about it
why don't you like to mock christa
first of all all they did was go in the white house and shit up everything why should i care
everyone was celebrating all over the world
you who they we
thedut i i cant it
fascist
so how are they how are they pag
how were they fashes
first of all because they they
i mean some of them were literally wearing like kee or notot okay sh so i didn't notice a lot of them doing i thought i just saw a lot of boomers and trump people just going into the capital and just you know kind of like partying up and shit
i don't cared i don't care about capitals i don't care about january i don't care about it
like that doesn't scare me at all and you're saying because they don't respect the result of the election
but look what the fucking libs did aan election night when trump got elected so
i want y short
storm the capital
yet they had some and they did everything but that dud they stormed everything but that who fucking heres if they storm who cares that the storm the capitalistus optics that there's not anything material or concrete or real that i should care about whyre you wding water for the optics of the american state in the fucking democrat why are you doing so much work for them
you meings let them
like they don't if they don't if they don't do you're like a you're enabling an abusive spouse they don't
let em let em let em see how well they do without why do you hold down i you live in new zealand too do why do you you live in fuck in new zealand why do you even care
oh i care about people in other countries yes i i care about people you you don't you're so bored here's a guy news aland who's so bored that you
get involved with american politics because
it's somewhat exciting gives a sense of meaning in your life
but at the end of the day you don't g a fuck
prety f newand care about people you care about people you don't care about shit
ah well i've ed it what if you say
i sure you co disagree you don't care about people you don't know people how do you know them you have to know them to care about them how do you know about
you don't know that
i don't have to know someb all this shit is an etiological phantom in your head do you all here about work is do you care about it's allways etiological phantom in your head i sw my question do you care about works
i'm not a farty
no we don't consider it like that type way do you care about wre
nice on you
care about that you don't care about i'm not a pilanthrop i'm not a philanthropist
nx what so you don't care about the proletariat what does that mean care about what am ei their mother i'm their motherly i'm caring about them as their mother i
do you care about the well being of the proletariat or that's the nanny statement i has nothing to do with the proletarian conus ill the proletariat but if you're a decent person you should care about the mediawa
but i'm not a nan i'm not a big mother i'm not someone big i'm not a big nanny i'm not a big nanny who's like holding m caresing in my arms o i care about you
it's not how class politics works
uh though it said it did caring about someone doesn't mean you're a nanny like nourishing i don't so you just mean care about you you don't even
do what do you mean care that isn' the fucking talk i nothing to do with the last struggle i'll be that has been nothing to do with class struggle or class politics ok what you're talking about is just a bunch of alkion
learing about a terria has nothing to do with it sounds right here w you what you mean care about this sounds weird i care about i so so pretentious that is you assume like you're like you're like you you're in power something you care about do theve fucking mean
your goal isn't to kk your goll your goal isn't to care about them
your goal is to actually
stead in motion a political independence of the working class so they can seize power all isn't yet
care dude for you a care there well so w way you know mark said that the only people who can free the working class the working class themselves
and the reason he said that is because
the point isn't that people who care philanthists who care about the workers are going to
you know do things for workers
his point is that the workers are going to do it themselves what you mean and you can be a part of that you can be a part of that but it has nothing to do like
carring about them
like that just means you're so divorced from the working class that you're not even a part of their shit
i'm so divorced from the working class that youre about the
i'm part of the working class and i care about other people work
class i just care about you w
what do you mean byre it's such a weird language
it's a weird language dude
doesn't like make youn come
saying you care about someth no it's you know what you're saying you stop talking making this more complicated you know i saw
i what i'm saying is very simple
i i mean i foaw it bey on board with that uh
apparently not
apparently don't you don't know no one cares
no one's in us so how about i'll tell you this
no one gives it shit about politics
because they care about people
so wh why do you pay any attention to poblics
and that's absolute because politics is actually an objective site
oh our
something that is part of us in motion
like it's actually an objective sight in which
ar
objective sociality our common reality
is suspended in reality it's not because we it's not about charity it's not be about being a good person
it's literally the fact
that it is an objective site in which business is being attend to and we have business to attend to that's what it is basically
it's not about this moral bulllight on business to attend to
because it's literally part of its or it's sing liberator
dude it's part of your
realys live bruce carery about the proletarian shut up b chat to shut up a reat interesting chat talking to shat talking to me
i do i'm just looking at your chat i'm sorry
i can sorry
why should it why should i should i not care about the probletariat it seems kind of like a weird thing for a socialist to say no go care about yous here aout your family she care about your family
if you if you want to if you really think you're worthy of being involved in all this like socialist politics and shit
you've got to read rethink you know where you're coming from with this wholl thing this is not about charity this is not about simply being a morally good person
this is about participating in a class struggle
which is beyond you individually and it's beyond your fee fees individually
we longes thans for the five the rant againt caring is beyond base god bless me thank you mamy appreciate the five man thank you so much
ok yes pls trickle matches
week yet about what ks and their well beting you don't care the don't fucking care about worre you care about your family care about your friends you you don't care about you what do you fuking tell you show weird and condescending you don't care about them dude
wait i pd to cut the city i but pee little become the standing but you just listen it for you to for you to care about anyone in the way you're talking about
assumes
that
you have some kind of access or relation to them that's not mediated
in a fundamental you're not alien them in this fundamental way through politics
you're not actually directly ax accessing or influencing people's life
in politics i hope you know that you're not
it's not what politics is
politics is about how it's not about
politics is not about policy making or charity it's about power that's what real politics is about
it's not actually about being a good person doing good business
yes but you use
tell me
policy
politics is
all about
policy
the po know politics is not extended philanthropy it's not about policy
it's not
policy is secondary to power
when you have power when you have power when you have power you can do whatever policy is you want
the whole point of the theory of class struggle
is that there's a discontinuity
associates
that doesn't allow us to be
think conceive of ourselves as universal subjects
who are merely competing over different policy ideas to implement
regardless of what we want to implement in terms of policy there is a fundamental class distinction
which means
all that matters is that the proletarian class or its organs or its political party whatever is in power
what policies it does doesn't it's secondary thought
just that it's w is that level of this division and distinction
proroletary and pow would bely co because i care about
litaria why would you want them in power if you don't
you're not
it's not that i want them in powers that there's an objective class struggle happening
there's an obser white last role aras if you don't care about them
what do i what
why
ok if you don't care about the probs carr it why would you want them in power why wouldn't you just like people i didn't say i want them in power i said there's an objective class struggle going on and yet if you take you take us your item why
the proletariat if you don't care about them
why what
why do you side with the
rolatteria and this coostraco
if you don't even care about them why you just like sit there and be neutral like a lot of people a lot of people don't care about clots why don't you just be some political political neutral like
random guy
because care about
ok yeah because ok it's a tough question actually
because it's tough to like know how to answer
because why would one side with the proletariat
because
because you are not willing to betray
a
and insight
were
position
you think it is true
you think it is objectively true that
the future belongs to the prob embody the position of social truths
and the future of history you're not willing to let go of that
just because the powers that be make it convenient to you just believe that fundamentally
you're not willing to beltray it's because i'm not willing to betray a memory that's why
it was very fun funny saying you triy to answer that without saying you care about it
probletariat but sure
s
ya will
i mean i would never s i would never answer
i would never give the answer that i it's because i care about them i would even if we weren't talking about this i would never give that answer intuitively or inan a comp like that doesn't come naturally or intuitively to me whatsoever what you're saying
it sounds really bizarre and weird
it's not about like philanthropy toude
that's so condicent
and that's why
that's why that's why people like you
that's why first of all stay in new zealand by don't ever come to america we don't need more people like you
because you people will never make socialsm popular america he american workers fuck and hate people like you they hate people who try to they hate the fucker hate people like you who try to turn them into a fucking
charity case where they're just asking for handouts and shit
people workers have dignity due they fuck and hate people like you do
they fuck and hate people like you
i know you really want totroy
there's a differencetw caring about people and talking down to them like what you're doing when you saying oh i care about you what you mean you care the don't know any of them
cay sight
rellly my friend you care about your family and you care about your friends you don't you don't care about all these anonymous people here about the as i clarified
it's not about looking to them it's about caring about thet being
who are you who are you to attend to their well being
who are you to do that
bd why have you given yourself that that tense of power that you are
you are going to oversee their well beon whatsoever
but
you live in new zealand how are you going to oversee the well being of the workers of america
i uess like the internet exists so i could like influence another country through that or i could like
so you like it right so you think you're going to influence
whatsoever
you're going to attend to the well being of the american workers by being on the fucking internet
we
not like but but like i think everything makes a difference and i think heats of people political
to call the in
that's what i think
so what what do you mean everything makes a difference to co it doesn't make any difference whatsoever
you're not attenmpding to anything
you're not attending to the american workers whatsoever
how are you reten thing to them
please let me talk
you fix some his political
with es influenced by what they see on bline
listen
do you think thatmy point i know your point is when workers see
you
people
you make it worse for yourself because they don't want to vote for they don't want to go near people like you
and you make it worse ud you make it worse they fucking hate you do proletaria it would like some screaming you ln toic like you more than someone like me on ironically yes
ironically yes
i ged fourteen
dude i get mail i get d m s all the time from actual workers who literally tell me
that they love my shit n
truckers they tell me they fucking vibe with my shit people tell me oh my uncle likes you my
my dude people to dude i really know for a fact
workers like my shitp
like more than you would august
i'm sure there's like a few
likeace slightly delusional workers who like yourself
but most you look at what do you see workers what you going workers like more
real working class people e thing like more alex jones or voss
they like alex jon
the of your audience and working class people are like a little not some most amst
most the sudos is working outs a big audience but that's for a numer forly com
pad raise and so it i promise you you don't know workers do you talk about workers you don't know who the workers are to you don't know who the workers are calling them to lusional you're so pucking condescending and patronizing
first you're going to attend to their welfare
you're going to be in that position of power going to be in charge of overseeing their welfare
now you're going to say they're delusional when they don't agree with you who's patronizing youu you're very patronizing
they how am i patronized because i care about workers
no because you're assuming you're in a position to attend to their welfare
so you don't care about you like their nanny you're like their nanny you're going to care aot now i'm in a position w you don't git a shit
you don't give a shit
but theo i i'm a privilege no i don't want to give a shit about them what you care about is the represuts you care about the representation in your
ay log
goe
was that was it really worth interrupting me to just say that literally something pop up and let me speak
i'm actually educating people and saying interesting shit every time you interrupt me you say dumb shit was it really worth interrupting my sentence to say that let i sudden your fucking mouth and listen
you don't care about actual fucking workers you care about the representation you have in your head that makes you feel like you're a good person and it makes you feel good but you don't actually care about them themselves you don't care about them in the depth of their otherness you just care about you feeling better about yourself
oh that's not true yes that is one in the chat it's true you said you believe in democracy right once in the chat its tru
democracy i ok one thing that shout have be true
parson
let's see
pot
they're single to
is there a single t there's not i haven't seen a single tu yet
what what is this beit to pret all wane it
it proves everyone watching this agrees with me you don't fucking actually care about s a live straight i made like
co the sa
but this tuesay wow
there's one the ok there's
two to s and so far and audience and still you could that evel be that
clime
there's two to so far
and actually i feel about yourd sp most of
ok you don't think i have eight watchers i do
you this is so obvious if you were
if i ged an audience like it as big as yours and i was debating you in front of me yeah agree with me
just how audiences work it's like really this is really simple stuff
you know i guess i'm saying like everyone i'm not just like it's not just me like everyone can see it too you know
like i want a slp to
say we ran against each other in an election
view one and a whattion
then i would allow you to take power because i believe in democracy
why didn't you let trump take power silently and peacefully
i didn't do any violencewen trump to power but a lot of di let did
they did he it it wasn't one of them and i disagree because you live in fucking new zealand that's what it's
that's the same thing
i
y i did w did did you at the time question the validity of trump selection
be honest
i think he well obviously i don't like the electoral college but i think if you have the
th
exactly and you people were saying it was it was rigged it was russian intervention rigged
nh i never sed anything about musch i know you want me to but i never see anything about that
ok the other thing but you b bt the electoral college well that's democracy in america
no that's not democracy i dislike it
so america is not a democracy according to you
a
it's not it is a democracy in some ways but not as much a so of america's got a democracy how are the capitol hill rioters
destroying democracy by going to the capitol
democracy but it's a very
uh fect and
flot demok but you gd you you rejected the outcome of the democracy in twenty sixteen
oh i didn't i said i don't like the beoral college i never rejected the outcome assuming because the electoral college was a system in place for that elak which mean ok let me ask you a question
you acknowledge that the d n c has engaged in undemocratic interventions that change the outcome of the primaries twenty sixteen twenty twenty
by the sound of it y
but we know that right
yeah so why were voters fascists for questioning the
the the way in which votes were counted in the general
when there's already a precedent of the deep state
intervening elections against the popular will
ok if you
if you get a no aid
because the democracy was age that doesn't mean you're attacking democracy that means you're promoting democracy that's why the attack the they attack the capitoal because they genuinely believe
that it was rigged
first sly they were wrong and top of them probably no you cod say they're wrong with they're not fascist do they just believe they we riged
eddie trump lost
yeah but they thought it was rich they genuinely thought it was rich
and they were wrong which is the important power you ok but
they didn't think they were wrong
but they were but they didn't think they were
ok but they were still wrong like at some you're saying they're wrong they're saying they weren't
you can't just have an unconditional truth you got to defend your truth
you didn't convince yourn that they were wrong
they thought they were right so you can't say they're fascists how are they fascists
because they attack democracy
according to them you attacked democracy
but yeah but they're wrong which is the important but doesn't matter if objectively speaking they're wrongor we find out later that they're wrong they didn't believe they were wrong
but they genuinely didn't think they were wrong which means they weren't attacking democracy you're right
people who do a things think they are right i don't care what they think i caw really shes
pardon
how were they fascs
because they were attacking they were like far right wing like deranged concevtives attacking to secre first of all just because they were conservative militia libertarian type people
h the not fascist
and who cares who cares that so you think the capital is a symbol of democracy
obvious absolutely tell that to the long tire focking world
that never has any democracy because of american imperialism
i
you think th so that's why you're a fucking new zealand asphalt
you're so houck and divorced from what actually people in the world think
all the people around the world were telling me when that show was happening how they were laughing and
celebrating yeah the empires coming down that's what they all were thinking but meanwhile cox like you are soni this is an attack on the democracy talk
a cack yok no one else sees it that way but you
because you're an eldbo
only anglo sees an attack in democracy
everyone else saw it as an attack on american imperial
domination of the world
good thing
because trust me if they got power imperialism would have been a lot worse do you think fascists
cad about the rights of foreigns of course did everything he could
the pull out of everything they just found out the generals just found out
tru wanted to get out of syria he wanted to get out of afghant he wanted to get out of everything but you lives didn't let him iran he wan to get i di't
you what
he wanted to get into iran and north korea he didn't
he dead no he didn't john bolton in the republicans that he didn't want to do that shit he wanted to make peace with jim john moon
and he didn't want to have no bad business with kim jong wu
the israeli robbie and john bolton and ship
made trump uh
you know piss off iran and shit
he didn't want to do that bullshit
you don't want to go to war
trump escalated drones strikes men
p simply
so that's just the continuation of the obama years ain't nothing new under the sun
relate to them so that's not actually accurate no they were rising they were rising the lines going up it doesn't matter whose president
so now you're literally defending trump
yeah
yout whato in trumpet
strikes what how you lit to the position of defending trump and his joint strike no i'm not i'm saying it's a say should is obama it's not particularly trump
it's just the same continuity of the american deep state
it's what
it's the continuity of the american deep state
dude you are soiling your pants really you were really this is an attack on mocracy
democracy is under attack do you think america is a democracy
this is not a democracy do the cok you talk about
why do you re why do you sound like like a
m s m like
you're holding water for the establishment this is our democracy our democracy like just because dot sound like the people on t v doesn't mean i respect he was legitimate
that's what you w boss you and boss need to understand
that just because you sound like the people on t v doesn't make you seem more legitimate it just makes you look like cox
why should i respect america as a democracy
why should you respect to me
yacause about because that yeah because demok
i'm not saying respect america i'm saying respect democracy these why should i respect american democracy as legitimate
think you should respect y tobt
chrisi
because i w'm s i think it's real
it's not a real democracy there is no real democracy
corporationrle there's no real democracy in america it's all rigged
it's no it's not all rateed it's flawd but it's still a demony deep state still in power the deep state still in power
no one voted them in
no one voted against it
is this like hillary clinton's demons
have you moved this far into trump territory
you don't believe there's a deep state
what i do what you
by that because you
good by
thank
or you could be ranged but you believe the t
i dont
you think do i think this one
it all depends what you mean b i guess it's like you could describe it s there's just onan electable power that rules america
um if you mean like it
capitalis
class yet
it scelga mean whatk huge amount of connittery
the capitalist
possible buts it
what do you mean thepit who's the capitals class
on the bush was is that production who is that who
reduction are the is that any institutions in particular any anything or you just saying people who have money
i'm sayings i'm telling a lot of capitalists who do not rule there's a lot of capitalists as according to you don't so
the ones who do
you' know the ones wo still it's just a democracy likes the rockp like the ford foundation the rockefeller's and all those people
yeah they do do they do rule it doesn't matter who's in power they rule
sure in the old bush was a capitalist i thought you mean to be a socialist i'm not even that like radical and i sound like more of a socialist
why
beuse what architect care joseph stalin six twenty five thank you so much the appearances are you being like shut up shut upzzy
a bottle ard thank you so much let me read it bottle lart explains philosophy for the left th it has reduced to floating signifiers
pure appearance the needlism of meaning the mode of disappearance is in the essence of bread to
oz plays above the pretens of meaning he operates in seduction thank you
joseph on appreciate man appreciate twenty five thank
anyway as we were talking
what were we talking about
talk about like what if it a but you like a weird trump support nur orre you just like
i'm in the castule sea
i'm a communist with capal s o g type of communist real type of communist shit international perspective type a communist communist as they exist outside of america bringing the real communism to america you know i'm saying capital c type of communist real type of communist o g type of shit you know i'm say sometimes i'm fviby trump the guy's hilarious i don't got a problem that big a problem with trump owning the libs is what i do want to do on the daily i own the libs on the daily you know i'm saying capital c communis
yes i'm sorry walk if m'm not saying that you know i'm saying that's what it's about
you actually sound like a bratid conservative redy
what is
well those are the peace out like that's the people i'm with the people that's the people i am a conservative redneck i'm a conservative redneck too and you know i'm saying i'm with them' i'm about that and know i'm saying that's what communism is about we're all about that type of shit you know i'm saying you think we're not with you lives we're not with you lives you mother fuck in new zealand as mother fuck we're not with you lives you know i'm saying i what that real capital cee communism type of shit you know i'm saying
from the very hear
and i conservative
but you're a cock
communism is anti and said no it's not you said that
who said that
absolutely so it's ok the year is nine hundred fifty one you live in the soviet union
are they conservative
oh they sure a call communist they're not communist well i'm that type of communies
i'm diviet union heedge
ukly is a communist what
soviet union is not communist
i don't care what you think communism means
when we call ourselves communists we're actually referring to reality not the
snow play bullshit was taught you
you know
um if like what do you even main you say compmunism do you mean like a merderius dictatorship yeah yeah likeya
like the real ie like the actual realword
you know like not the fat onhe you invented in your head but do
and you want a murderer stick shk started to un some kind and like another
people they call them fascists
what
sorry the angle signal is not working what do you say angle
you don't
adult work is
and you love murderous dictatorship you're starting to sound like a a fascist
yah but you sounded like an anglo from the beginning so if you want to talk about how i sound all sound like an anything
you are an unc
ok that's a very
com up
to beke
beuse you
th
why why are you such an angloy
like why are you such an anglo
um i don't no i i i just
gui you anglos all sound the same
the murderous dictated do you fucking come from the british empire the most murderous fucking enterprise in the history of mankind
talk about murder is this or that i'll get angler st bitch
is i rod the pretty cheap tire
you're part of the it's offspring youre it's offspring you're the offspring of the british empire
o i' not i do't f for you when you're stealing
go back home to europe the fuck you doing in new zealand
that land don't belong to you
up
the buck out of new zealand you fucking weird all
stay
k
you can stay but you're still a bitch
and by the way
by the way
the libs getting owned on a daily basis in america what are you going do about a new zealand
ho this shes like
le listen
you think i go to bed shaking about you lips
where i live withoo all the conservatives around by the working b spar are it they still don't even wear masks they don't book bok
yeah because
okay those people aren't the working class those people yeah they are
yeah they are
they do work with their hands to the working of the what ok ok ok compare their hands with your hands they have rough hands they have leathery hands
they do they do work with their hands so yeah they're the working class
you have pink hands
class the working class is pretty low
you knowll you wor just you're you knows n you're you know i w you talk about the p m c the professional managerial salary really arguing that the working class stupid yeat thatf your most people when most people say working class american they mean what americans who work with their hands that's what they to play on charity yeah but i'm not a phtlantropist so i'm not i don't give a charity i'm not a philanthropist
i i'm
what if you sa iink exp discussed i care about the problems g and you care about like
know you care about you care about a lar being coping theory you invent i think like them n know you care about a larp in your head according to which anyone who doesn't
strictly own the enterprise as a worker well guess what ce os are
proletarians to according to your warpi don't fuck and feel good copium definition
when american people say the working class to talk about people who work with their hands my friend they're not talking about
let's hear it
would you johnt reading
we're talking about
vrolunteer
yeah rednecks are the working class are you stupid you know the word redneck came from rednecks literly came from like coal miners in appalachio n red
m so what you talking about you eleat as lowle bitch
that
because words and meanings change over time
ok but america still in america the working class still means those rednecks you're talking about
the only people who have a different meaning of the like the d sas working class
are a very insulated minority of people lying
besides would i th socialist
movement around
conservative so anti beauss're the majority so
because they're the majority
out
out they literally lost
the electriion
ser my doc
pting
you're still a majority
you're the majority
aorty though they literally
less it
itn developed
i'm sorry
take
burden of police
fols
you do realize democrats have lower incomes support us the most
no that that's not true anymore it's not true anymore the dm
do you know where the democrats got their boost of numbers from
in the recent like you didn't do your homework did you boy
they got i know white suburbs the rich whites
they're democrats now
i never asserted where they got it from like ses they have more supporters yeah they got it from the rich white so
republicans which is trice no you change now the democrat the democrats have been losing the workers
for decades now they finally lost all the workers now that's why they appealed to wok buss because they're trying to win only minorities even minorities are going to the other side now
even black people went and voted for trump unprecedented numbers
not whle they
the're still in that
it of my heart
you must be dright
no it unpressed and it moved over to the other side
e precident whats writen
unprecedented number
you're literally a trump
supporting
deranged far right for at this point you call me whatever you want
boy call me whatever you want
you live in a fucking island
so far removed from where you belong
at least i don't fkn call myself a ki wei
at least i don't fucking sound like a cock at least i'm not an anglo youn call me whatever you want to gi a b commune know the capital c on in the lives every day twenty four seven seven days week
i i you like
trick it up
somethings you're kind of like spesiming out right now it's kind of
ok b b c you talking aout the b b c
and how could you engage in such a
matteress
my name my name in you know ss like my coc
what it
whatever you say
a b c
cameras rolling
the b b c are you
the really owed to me with that
i w what you
going af to the exinc as you have
no point
it saaf es you're literally a robo angle you're literally an angle robo
what's i don't know what you thd that i mean it's fun like i like you program you're literally like the caurricature of an anglle
i fe like it do you guys love you w not you guys like really like that ues thank you chris morelok
w he asked you why do you sound like a british aristocrat from the seventeenth century
i was like q en not
we don't care about huan and dowde i don't care
don't care
you went on as probably ok
youor not is probably more true
then emassu
right
ya i think so
i'll say that probably more true than m s sm
a
ok i'm not surprised you s
the arm
it's kind of weir at that most you count argument against me literally scrapeing that i'm been anglo
fkind of sounds like that you that's what it all comes down to you're just an anglo saying anglo shit
no wle you're just an anglo talking anglo shit
it an angl not an anglo shit
but if itt
i don't think youre uh do you pak of yourself p with this because you're not much with what
i don't care actually hate all leftists and left ways i don't care what leftists think but inevitably speaking realistically speaking
yeah i'm a leftist because that's that's
where people will locate me and that's like
the inevitable outcome of my position but
i don't actually wait
i don't have a leftist ego where i like try to be a leftist and go out of my way to try to actually be i don't care i actually hate all leftists you know
why do youe
y
but they're alls co like you they're coks like you that's why
sure how
is the because they're literally literally how you they sound like you there they hold water for the establishment and they're literally don't know how to think of themselves
and they're all retarded in their head mentally retarded they don't live in reality they live in mental retardation la la land
ok and they're the ones who give me ep platform consistently they' got a band leftists are the ones who got me band on twitch
twice
yup
i tet to love pley
that's the fory because the anecdote
but that is not like an awesome strong argument the thing is it's funny you'd say you dislike liftists because they're all like me
wheen you haven't made a single but argument to gets anyinit sy
so like what's ok w w i i' literally debunked everything you've said
i mean
i i gon't see but
i actually have you're just coping and saying i haven'
out every argument you made from lesser evilism
to the whole talcking thing about democracy was debunked you actually think america' is a democracy
in
on the copium it because i mean this is ridiculous i was america's democracy
you have a dot
debucked a single one of my points and you know that can point ovious which point do you imagine i haven to bon lays do nated fifteen dollars to a big mak you plays a little twenty things lass and which point have i have have i
have i not addressed
i'm none of you have an interesting in name one the name wants call me an ag name one n name name one point you raise i haven't addressed
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if f single which wast you name voting
this evil voting to i like evil vote you want to you want to do this again and have me
book your schods
ok let's start with let's evile voting
thank
what part of
you are not decisive
and if you were decisive you should use that leverage to get bernie elected you not understand
but none of it really makes any sense because of course the difference is
that a few votes can make the difference between a win and a loss
but to actually pressure a party you need a lot more than that behind you
this
these millions and millions of people who don't vote
the dean stg and stuff is not going to change their ways because you have a few thousand followers
this so why do you need to vote for bid in that
because he's a lesser evil as we went over ok
so ask you a question
why are you enabling the d n c which you consider bad because that's true doing is they're never going to learn until you hit them back
that in the face they don't k why would they care about your but this millions of other ots they could go after the don't care about a fe you but you know bustle because you can move to them out that you can prove to them hey
us we withheld their vote we could have gotten you elected
but we withheld
because of what you did
they won't
they just won't care that's the problem because they want to here ab the p then then then you should question why you even
associate with the democratic party whatsever you should use all your efforts to got for a third party
we already had this point we agree that the democrat partys bad whjich is why we call less evil
how really how really are they a lesser evil that they don't even care about getting elected on the trump
we talked about richoric we talked about social yehs a rhetoric my you but you lost on the point of rhetoric because rhetoric means nothing
rhetoric is a critically and the example you this is how we got to where we were the example you gave of how rhetoric means something is how you were pissing your pants
over the nothing burger that was the january sixth capital storming
and that's not an example of how
right like why should i why should anyone care about
that why should anyone care about the january sixth lent democracy in which you know we know that's what c n n said but
we ok why should we com why should we communists care why should we care if we're if you're a socialist
committed like even ok even if you're committed to getting medicare for all in america
why should you care about january sixth
in your own word if don't just repeat the m sm because i don't respect the m sm so this were in your own words why should anyone care
like effectivelyy for example you're saying it was an attack on democracy i objective how ojectively was storming the capitol really going to was was that really a moment in which they had a chance to seize power storming the capitoal
or was it just symbolic
well it was
symbolism still matestate
kill people
ok st because of symbolism is the altar on
symbolism is an altar of on wiching democracy with fit to p of this of long ime implications if you f democracy with violence
how were they threatening democracy with violence
by
breaking into a building because i didn't like democratic results and then like
people died and they were the left i then the left by your own logic was also threatening democracy in twenty sixteen because they broke into buildings and did all that kind of shit
and i disagree with that
i absolutely use you think they're fascist
right
so so let's write them down so so all those letters
what fascism
made multiple components
it's not just it's not just being anti democratic it's a whole bunch of let me let me ok oh i got you
okay
then by your logic obama's rhetoric or whoever's rhetoric
led to the left
being dangerous fascist when trump got elected
so how is rhetoric decisive whatsoever when
when you have the list in charge with even when you didn't have trump in charge and you had
ah when joe biden was the vice president you had a guy in charge whose rhetoric according to you
inguens people
to do the same thing that you're considering bad behavior which is the january sixth
right it makes no sense oka the first thing is that obama did not incite any violence unlike trump
and the other thing is inciting violence against democracy does not make you a fascist it's a lot more complicated than that ok so we can agree that it's a nothing burger
um no i never agreed with that good luck trying to so you can't so this is how you dodge the argument so i proved you know i've not been touching anything i've
the oh that's's a good
you listen wash oute pussy
stop talking interrupting me because you're not seeing anything of value stop balking in blt shut up shut up it's reap shut up interupt shut up shut up first i said
january sixth
main meant nothing because the same thing happened twenty sixteen is ah there's other things to what are the other things that are so decisive
i de bup to january sixth point which is the only example you could give me about why rhetoric so important
and the
you shi you tribot it you pivoted away so was not the only thing then one ofre the other things
what do you think about the treatment
of minority
y
like saycial i know no difference there's no meaningqul difference between trump orviding in that regard
there is no difference
do you think tump and bdin are exactly the same african americans
if not biting is worse spite is worse probably
you do you think a man who support black lifs met is what that's than a man who has drummed up racial tensions over black lives mad and who is literally yes
possibly yes
that's ridiculous that obviously stupid
why you're literally just like
it trump supporter at this ppoint you know ok so in the cities in which black people
in the cities in which p police brutality is occurring and it's getting national attention
who runs those cities and
who are their maors there right thk you
bequsting
tfferent seies
they tend to bea more
crime and
what
just all sorts of more stuff in the city this way youre the sys police brutalities because of crime now you're the right wing
i never see what a racist har to say
correlation it is not necessarily going to be
causation but the other thing is a lot of the stoff was implemented
not
by on
who said the stuff was implemented by democrats some of it was
but the good thing is that the democrats now support black lives matter so many of them are actually moving against that stuff
republicans a dodugling out and all of it happened on obama years that's when the militarization of police happened was the obama years
they because they pull out of iraq and the obamayears they gave it all to the police all the military shitld to the poli ill happen under obama
what youre talking about man
a good thing i don't like obama but he's still a less evil on that and try how you haven't given me a you haven't give me a single demonstrable example
about why
trump is worse
deemocrats implemented some of the stuff but most you mentioned minority as you mentioned minorities but it not only a make no difference
but all the bulls you know what happens under the democrats in the democrat run cities
the trump made no difference n
does it make a difference to
auplican
officials are cracking down on the right to protest
black lives met a protists they cracking down on them
democrats and not doing this a but that way obamaen the democrats cracked down on the right to protest whatre you talking about you know about ferguson in two thousand and fourteen democrats ran that fucking city the crackdown was oversaw by the democrats not the republicans
okay just a second
yes the democrats have done bad stuff
're talking about what's going on now
the thought
aady of it as republicans the v
vast majority of the stuff
what stuff
i
you know that
tado
this is why i don't really what stuff and light me what stuff
you think
it's more like
what's that
u
whatt its democrat or pu listen all you're talking about is a
appearances optics and rhetoric you're not talking about what's actually going on in reality
i get that nancy pelosi is more likely to have a b l m sticker on her car that doesn't mean that in reality she's going to translate into a more favorable person
for black he was not reality works
this isj a superficial n b c retard i haven't you actually like think that all this rhetoric in like
virtue signaling is reality not reality ude
it's not real
it' you're on line too much
let me talke for listen no no i'm going to finish my point let me finish my point
k you i know your issue is that this is always back to the original thing
you think you care about people but the thing you care about is it's all ego it's all optics it's all rhetoric it's all fake tribal allegiance or do you support blackd it's like it's all based on this fucking the
this ego centric view of politics has ything to do with reality tribalsm when you literally say i should care about people in other countries
that's the opset of
i don't think i'm not i didn't say you shouldn't care about other peoples and other countries i say w can i said it's literally not possible
he sayd it's tly not possible
why do you interrupt okay let's talk about this
what are you any from
what
play why do you interrupt me why
why do you i don't just i just don't get why you do it the don't you know i can just mut you
but what would it be wherees it so you're basically like an anglo colonize you think you have the whip you're going to silence the arab man
is that what's going on you want to
but no that is completely untrue i interrupt you because one you told thank you jennifer so much appreciated thank you jennifer so much appreciated so much this is why so why do you interrupt me you don't let me say my points or my peace you don't want me to actually respond to heor let me say my points so you interrupt me so you think you're going to silence me
with me
i don't dont i don't prevent you from saying your points i only interrupt you when i already got your point
i never interrupt you when you're trying to say your point i only interrupt you when i already got your point when i try to make my point you interrupt me tell me why you do it why do you interrupt me
ok i interrupt you because one you talk for ever to you say lots of um stuff and forree you interrupt me you haven't proven
a single thing i've said is dumb to anyone
you have a pipe in
only if you n one thing no one agrees with you who how would you proven what i'm said is umb you hadn't proven it
i've proven what you sai that is dumb you don't have a single example to stand upon to back up any of your arguments every we've gone everything one jenys in the capital rights to police brutality everything you want to talk about i've debunked all of it
you haven't even proven your position how are you calling my arguments dumb
the cope overload
no ok once in the chat if he's coping too in a chat if i'm coping
asking your own followers to prop up your dying ego
i want to know like if i'm crazy you know
it sound like you're coping
five
sounds like you're uoting a lot you haven't sustained a single one of your points
sup
i mean if youb you fix that what you just said is true is beyond like
a lot of
that really on bic iment that pro we need to seek like deeper help
but what if they won't what if we keep rising at your expense and we keep growing and growing what are you going to do about it
i'm going to come on here and debate you because i love to's the f
goinga get your ass please
i bit of few sides ah
but that doesn't seem to be what happened today ok ok ok you want to talk about lesser evilism and consequentialism and shit
this is actually good bob
do you think by coming on here and debating me
you're making me look worse for bad objectively not according to you subjecti would object like according to the audience of the audience think i wouldook better or worse right
the your audience so they get there like you're like this weird cult of personality
so most of them would say literally ity think satisfied way but so according to your own reasoning
you are propping up my stream
and you are boosting all round
yeah you are dude because apparently i have a
do
you are literally helping me so much right now
do you not realize that
you make me look good e
whatever you say
no am i wrong you make me look good in front of their eyes do it's true with something different i guesss in front of the eyes of my audience you're making me look good not bad
so how is debating you're going to stop in your audience who thinks that it's dill right
and we a lot of people think that in our new viewers think that too
shore
i mean i don't rely do say i'm trying to objectively they do you you make me look good
i have hoped that some of the people in the audience a decent and not just like wed cold
personality people who are tojus assist with you
and hopefully i can pull some of them to
better positions if not this was just fun
which was
but ok let me ask a question
since you love the lesser evil right
comparatively i think you're droh do you think compared to the people
you're you
you're rescuing from my polt
is there more of them who are leaving
compared to who are coming because of this debate
i don't think anyone's going to join your cult because of this debate
your platform really really really
good
we get new followers every debate
you think you're gonna be the exception
m yeah i could be actually i me i've not seen really been s
it depends
your chat i'm going to i'm going to actually upload this video separately and it's a real chamber and just look at that chat
dod
you room how i lost this
i bean you can stay that to like
you
but in what if you lost it
pay
feel free have fun with your coping mechanisms it's ok
oh you don't think you lost
yeah i don't think upon which point did you prevail
which pi would be like
which point did you prevail upon
and we've been over them all
they say evil voting good
democracy wre i tried to go over the lesser evil oding with you again you couldn't even sustain or prove
or defend your position
you okay you point it a you time democrats did bad things
and tried to compare them with republicans to always wouldn't give me a single time republic you all you said was they don't support black lives matter the slogan that's all you said
and they've literally implemented laws
to crack down on protests and make that
drive this controls were not black people that was were not laws targeted against black people those were laws targeted against ti and the anti trump protests i
do you think
that i tak this a law and also let me also tell you another thing one more thing democratic
democrats are also trying to pass laws to crack down on republican protesters
it is of capital at the january sixth riots
ok i would love to see an example of this and if they did i disagree with that too but ok seem to this is just re you don't know about the bi they're trying to pass
ok they domestic terrorism the domestic terrorism bills that the democrats you don't a familiar with them
i'd love to sae these i know the democrats have done lots of bad stuff my point is merely that i dislike the republican same more and i dislike
why why do you just like republicans more
because the social conservatives who push were a spolicy you keep us with you keep giving me me i'm looking for meat and potatoes why
why you keep naming me like internet means like
abstractions
give me something real
reen you talk about protests hoelbut
climate change that would be like a retcure let's talk about climate change
yeah
the republicans sent in to deny that it's trial the democrats at least
at least they co you're talking about their etiology is not what they're actually doing
the you join climate deals and have climate change plans sure they're inadequate butyre better than nothing
no they're not better than nothing believe it or not they're really not
its ou the
they know they're not even better than nothing
you listen you have to understand you of climate change
climate change isn't something where it's like
there this little thing is going to help a little bit
climate change is an accelerated
process
which is unless you have a comprehensive way
to adjust and prepare the popu and respond to it it is literally not better than nothing
it literally isn't better than notugh
it literally isn't
climate change is not like
you can you can make it like the climate is going to qualitatively change
you can just make that a little bit better
little bit worse no it's a qualitative chance black and white
eh no that's
lepen you true climate change hapens differentgrees it's not just like i see other day apocalypse this y arous lep bs and it you wants to be had here
smoke yeah but it's a feedback the heating of the as a feedback loop you can't even it's literally not even better than nothing
because that feel exact impact
i ca two points first slate the feedback look not back at of the leasts and the amount of the guesses going into that feedback loop which is what they want to do n know it was secondive led back loop would not be going on its still going on
and how is biden going to reduce emissions how is biden going to reduce emissions there's no meaningful plan to reduce emissions howre you going to do it
start a's the paris climate courds better but nothing he's got ot mos not better than nothing it's not
it's not better than nothing no it's not
even though these deals aren't perfect they pretty bad actually some public support of the idea that climate change is really lok now we've gotten again to our pattern you keep talking about symbolic hedory things in the clouds like a fucking got the things that a folking guy in new zealand cares about you know not reality but dumb shit
that's all in the fucking clouds
reality is literally molded by what in fluential fik is do not d and not true
not toport
not free to pley
this is true that that's what you but you believe you believe that
because you're a guy in new zealand
and your only access to reality is through the fucking internet
but what if i told you that the people you thk the people you think mold reality are themselves molded by reality biding doesn't hold reality he's molded by reality is a mold reality people acts that mot by reality and in turn mot the reals the're not more they're not molded by internet does not mold reality you're fucking idiot
your tooe online is your problem the internet does not gold reality
ok what are you trying to say
do you think it doesn't mot reality to in need degree
m
elaborate what do you mean specifically he's talking about wishy washy kind of like airy fairy like to some degree that's all you can say to dude
that's alesome a new zealan in twenty nineteen
a gout shot to fifty one
people because my d s he got online
okay that's not on reality i don't know what it's
no it's not it's not an on line molding reality
it's not the same thing it's not on my that's not on my ilding reality
the reality of the reality of his racism and his fucking views
was not because of
something molded on the internet it's because of a fucking actual reality in reality now w the internet reflect that the internet reflect that yes
but it's not because of the
j o
right that people do with the ideas did influenc by a what every don't even talking about all you think you thins you all think you can to go you think that the the realities of white supremacy are just arbitrarily molded online
what
i never see that nice straw man
these ideas are promoted on line
okay
what
yeh
h ok how does the promote a promotion the promotion doesn't have
you ever heard of the sity you ever heard of the saying
a letter always reaches its destination their promotion doesn't have causal significance as though
h if not for the person promoting that no one would ever get that in their head they would get it in their head one way or another
ok
so no the online does not mold reality
what do you know that's completely untrue if i had not gone onto the internet i probably wouldn't be exactly the same politically as i am now
you literally see you ws with substantially speaking say stanly se you can say you did my point because you see my politics what i can see what do i con see
ok you see my politics was moted by being online which it lead me to think in what you think is simply by say you would know i said i said your arguments always go back to resorting i said your arguments resort back to talking about arey fvery symbology
substantively speaking your political position in anglo buthurt lib would be the same without the internet
or with the internet
bit de sad
well i mean you've just changed you they been good no i didn't
you you you obviously wouldn't be arguing on the internet with me to defend your anglo but her lip position
ah but you'd still have be in that that' still substantively be what your position amounts to
what you seid earlier when you see that my ifews were informed at being super run line
yea so you just
the things you're saying that the things you're saying reflect someone who's terminally online
yes so i was divided in line acquording to you
so you're
thank
consist you you being in my v c saying this shit you're saying is moulded by the fact that
you treat the internet as a privileged site of reality but substantively speaking in terms of actual reality because what you're talking about isn't actual reality substantively speak terms of actual reality is an anglo but hert live
i be
that's a fairly awesom end s but
job
how many minutes that take you to come up with that
okay well it's true
awesome
ok by the point is that like i w i mean i don't even know what to say because you have to literally no point
so you lost
sure
so you admitted you lost
people who win debates by the way don't constantly say that they won
partway for the debate that's not real i mean i know i wan but i just want to like
make sure you know that
it's more about you knowing that i aready know i want i just like trying to live
i'm trying to like check in a check up on you and do i dod you realize you lost right
i want you
i that's really co
i also want you to know you lost you know
n
um okay sure what if you said
no it's because you have to tell yourself you wan
no i don't have to tell myself i know i want
it's obvious and we get it how is it obvious
because you clearly didn't win and you're just telling yourself that how how do you measure the clarity of that
how do you measure the clarity of the fact that i didn't win
because everyone thinks atm
your audience thinks you won because most of them are even more insane than you are so a get i get it we're on sany
but how do you measure the clarity of how you want
how is that clear it's not clear to
like
how is it how you
you gave like the worst off inss i your point to you literally were claiming that like list evil voting isn't valid because the democrats occasionally like
do
bad stuff like republ i said s substantively speaking
there is not only no difference bewen the democrats and the republicans but sometimes democrats are even worse
and i defended that it thoroughly i didn't just say sometimes democrats are bad i said stupantively speaking
there is no difference
and you couldn't even bring a single point
to back to refute that
oh i absolutely
ca you couldn't it the point your point only ever amounted to the idea
that someybolically the democrats are better literally the curricature
of what we say about you libs that symbolically there better that's it's lially the name of the drones with the l g b t flag on it
oka
thanks for bringing that up how aboutl g b t
come
policy how about that the democrats are
oecti play better on that
ah poke
publicans don'te they support trans rights to republicans don'te
reirly simple ok how
how concretely does that
translate into reality not optics but concrete
how concretely
does that affect anything
well it gives these people respect and society and it gives them equal rights how
and close to two equal rights iust me give me give me a like
meat and potatoes actual reality like
how for example
is life better for gay people
under bid in the strong
well i mean it
just second
you're looking how is it beaita
yeah as he
deies
which are better for these people
and because i read them to learn for example
i know i can not banning trans people from the military is exactly that's what you fucking say you literally repeat the mem
exactly i knew you're going to bring the same shasander hall said you why should i care about why do i care about trans people's ability to kill my people from my homeland
why should i care about their ability to do that
military is not all about killing people from your homeland we can have a military you know what military means that's the ultimately the institution of the military serves the purpose of kill
yes ao it doesn't have be and it shouldn't be you ca transcp but ok i want you to look up google google military what is a military
why is it called in military then
armed force consistent of ok why do they have to be armed if they're not going to kill nobody whyre they going to be armed
have you ever heard of like self defense
are you literally retarded
you're talking about the same fucking military that destroyed iraq
in afghanistan talk a what the same fucking military that's still in afghanistan that is graces in every talking country in the world the same bucking military that's bombing the shit out of my people to this fucking day the same bucking military that's arming israel the same fs you're making it seem likell the military doesn't have to do these things you you know what the s military is you fucking dumb shit
that's what the u s military does it kills people i don't care if you think hypothetically militaries don't have to kill people the military that you're celebrating trans people being allowed in kills people why do i people
been screaming like child plays i disagree with all the stuff you just said i don't want them killing it this people they are but they are that's what they're doing that's what they're doing i i knowre of trans people can do that
because i still want these
to be treated equal who has the opportunity to ll my people it's your
oh my god the opportunity to kill my people
let i let me finish that
yes
that is evil but military is not inherently like that i want to what that what it is that is what it is that is what it is
objectively that's what it is how
yes
yes
so in so you're saying in the future it'll be worth it because in the future there's a slight chance that the military is not going to be killing people
a slight chance hopefully a bigger chance oh there's a big chancecording to based on what precedent and what whatevi
to act like you think most people in the military are
killing civilians of course not killing civilians is com the they're contributing there part of the military machine which kills civilians yes
they're aulternately a fiart of it
just that and that's bad so if someone's i in the holocaust if someone's not killing the jewish prisoners but they're just a
they're serre there i don't know they're serving in the cafeteria they're doing that kind of shit
you don't they're serving as guards but they're not killing anyone is a like that's what you're talking about of course not everyone's engaging directly in the killing but you're participating all
thank you chris morelock thank you chris more appreciate
youre your only example of how
biden is better than trump is that biden allows trans people in the military that's your example of why biden is better than trump
yup
my onlyague
example it heaps of up
and his defence
you could have a military else and
do evil thing has rights for peole you can your can i s that is that the military we have now
is it the military we have now or the military we have now is the one that kills people so your example is that trans now transpeople can pull the trigger now trans people can participate in the military industrial complex now trans people can participate in bombing the ship now trans people can do all it now im to care about that and celebrate that why should i
why should you walk
why should i care if trans people can be in the military
objectively not based on abstract principles and fairy a la la land
but as far as the actual reality we live in right now
why should i care of trans people can be in the military
as far as the reality we live in right now because i think we should have equal rights to our institutions and i also think simultaneously we should reform those institutions so they do good
moral and just things i think both of these i don't care what you want
i'm talking about what is now objectively what is going on right now so you're saying you're saying i should i should want trans people
to be in the military and i should both probiding so trackle can be in the military that's the decisive reason
because of an abstract principle according to which i trand people should be equally allowed in the institutions that's what you're saying
that's
one of many reeasons we' talks about some of the others we talk yeah i drunked all the others so now we're on your last your last card here is that trans we were in the military the worst one you could have pulled out
in ti more
there's not there's no more there's no more
you the i di there a
absolute
ok so you lost on this one what's the other one
that you see like health care
ou the democrats
health care outcomes in the republicans how have they
but couldn't sape the lives
and a small degree don't tell me what they believe tell what they do you bucking ditch tell the fuking did stop talking p what you believe and what they got the what they say tell it's whaty actually fucking happening
he thaty impllements to parket yes i know it was a republican policy but the republicans oppose it
and the democrats support what it
this is just subjective like a list evil than the other option
oh how is how are more pow are less people dying because a biden in power now then thean trump tell me how
the not constantly trying tot it undermine people's some health care
just like a big difference so the it's so meat and potatoes how how
how how does that translate into actual reality
people's healthier outcomes
that's so you're saying you're saying because bydon's elected now
people are having more access to health care than they did under trump a lie
what was that
to just you just lied
no one has more access to health care now because bdens and power
to fright in the sand mk bestly doesn't know
what do you mean threaaten you're talking about nothing i'm talking about reality you're talking about threaten you're talking about suggest you're talking about undermine optically what are you talking about in reality thank you boris
chlors for the five when you talk about in reality
what do you make
you haven't given to a single example you said health care i said there's no difference
here we go again
we're talking
you're going to say there's no difference in the health care policies
these
so far is go it is goe so far
okay
do you think you would rather have obamacare or no obamacare
wanmpt to get rid of obamacare
yeah but he wanted to and it was under f what frump wanted to do trump wanted to go be more radical trump wanted trump care
the republicans didn't want him to
o
trump did not want to get rid of obamacare and give people nothing
trump wanted to go farther than obama did believe it or not
that
did yes did
yes he falkon did check the record he did i
trump wanted people to have universal health care
yes he fuking did
he did not undermine obamacare
he said not
knowo he did or wanted
no he didn't
he wanted to he wanted to go even farther
and even if he wanted to he didn't so it didn't make a fucking difference supporter it's really weird
ok but i'm arguing and you lost the argument here
oh i didn't you just called me a trump supporter you had to resort to that beause you couldn't defend your point
i can defad my points just fine tell yourself what youan but you didn't you just call me a trump supporter instead of doing that
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what you exp to
ok because you lost you arm you can't defend your points
m i can defend them just fine as we sawt
how dod we see that you just called me a trump supporter because you couldn't defend the point that trump did not dismantle obamacare and as a matter of fact
even though wants and wishes don't mean shit in reality
trump wanted to even go farther than obama did on health care so the republicans got mad at him because of it
but even then there were there's no proof that trump is a
a a bigger evil than biden there's none
sure well ok so trump
did try
to arm
damage healthdcare outcomes in a way democrats do not
how did he t how did he do that
sure
by attacking obamacare and stuff
on what grounds do you attack a woma here
did he want to ust strip and completely get rid of obamacare so we could go back
to people being uninsured is that what trump wanted to do
ok so look do you want toho you want to know who else attacked obamacare
you want a great way you want to know who else attacked obamacare
concerning obamacare do you know who else attacked obamacare
t
do you know who else attacked it
and wanted to actually get rid of it
s awesome copiate bernie sanders
you fause he you sad w f so just because trump was attacking obamacare
doesn't mean the result of trump being successful in dismantling obamacare would have led to more people being uninsured because trump had an alternative
k was not offering an alternative though which would have helped more offering you knowss how do you know
a are you hob
completely different
how does he just fall you know that he wasn't going to ca have more ars did
i mean he could have had one in secret that he never told us about but he didn't seem to have one of these yes he did he he he constantly expressed i he wants universal healthre he said that in the debates of the buckan re in is the and even but even then you haven't proven who's a worse evill you you haven't proven who's a worse youor better evil you just talked about wishes and wants in every very dust magic bullshit
ens of times ok
the obama administration vigorously promoted the affordable care act
in part to attract healthy younger people to the exchanges
keep premiums down
the trump administration sharply reduced support for advertising and exchange navigations
navigate to sorry reducing the
iit period to about half the number of days
so so according to you trump advertise made it less advertised and
some stupid yat about the enrollment period that's completely aingless and the sight was a little harder to navigate apparently according to you
and that's how trump makes healthier worse for americans
according to the arm
this is your big point and you have to look it up to you have to also look it up i didn't look shitt i wanted that's your point dude you think that's a solid point
you stand by that as a solid point
it's a lot more solid than anything you have it yes it's not a solid point it's the most stupid just because the website was harder to navigate that means trumpll undermine people's health care and bless people had health care under trump
because trump was elected
no that's not not gonna ct it
you's not going to caut it he wanted o
he wanted to ustscourage illegal aliens from ol like amid decade
i've got these examanes gs i want urge illegal aliens come in ruling and you what trump
trump wanted to incur
discourage illegal aliens from
medicaid
i'm yeah he did
so you just told me another wish and want
give me objective reality receipts
how is trump a bigger evil
in objective reality not wishes and wants but objective reality
do want me to like a library any if ths i can like pull up the articles for you i'm looking at one right now is the specifics
tell me you can'
you have to look it up on google because youn't even
but ok you have to look it up on how do we even know if you have if you have to look it up why did you take the solid oposition that tump is a bigger evil when you had to look it up to confirm it it's
hed
things surces it take
you scarcely it to bk
but you spoke without knowing you spoke without knowing truh yes it is
but if you knew you could have call me you didn't know you have to look it up
often
no i see you have to way you have to shoot your arrow and then choose to target you shoot first then decide what the target is after it first you ado that first you adopted a certain position that trump is a bigger evil now you're looking up sources to back up the position you chose to begin with that then why do you have to quote article to look p why can't you just tell me
going through soorces to refied
points that i know are true
you give me one point you know is true
this all the ones i just gave you a buto that you didn't give me a single one i de bunk them all whathich you said about medicare was wrong when he made the website harder to navigate that's a non nothing burger that's nothing
that's notoghing
it's a nothing burger it is nothing but the site was a little harder to navigate it's a nothing burger
what
it's nothing it means nothing it makes no difference it's no meaningful difference
it's definitely not worth sacrificing her ability to gain credibility and legitimacy in the in the eyes of anti establishment minded americans by shilling for biden publicly it's definitely not worth that dud
okay
have you s so all of thisccording to you all of this was to make the website more navigaateled make the website easier to scroll through that's that's what sacrificing of third partyes were up to
i came he you want to know another thing i have heaped of examples
have you sading bidens american families plan
something republic n no no no no no you're not going to tell me about his plan you're going to tell about what he actually does and what he did so far i don't care about his plan or his vision you're going to tell me about what he can do what we're not talking about wishes and wants we're talking about what he fuking does you'll tell me what brydon wants to do you tell me what he does
policy this is the pol sy that i'm talking a ok so has be has he passed up
has he passed it
it's pass the family plan
you passed it
yeah i believe no he fucking didn't
he did it
he did it
okay so what if you does
possiblity
we be's pass tonight
i for you
as do
in't saying what you mean what you mean it doesn't matter if he does or not
you're saying something bigger evil but in reality it doesn't make a difference
when we're talking about policies
we're not just t you're tsking about making yourself and feel good i talk about making yourself real good because a optics what a fuck we're talking about
we're not just talking about policy
sees that wi't be you
there are they are implemented we're talking about ones that will be implemented this is what yes will yes will these be implemented how do you know they're going to be implemented
i
you keep interrupting me which is really
finding you whine about me interrupting you when you interrupt me but finish one of my points plays
ok
when we talk about policies we're not just talking about ones that are implemented we're talking about ones that are going to be implemented the famili'es plan is one of these policies
this was the case with b o so you know it's going to pass
well i would rather them try to pass they have no chance of that fucking plan passing there's zero chance there's no chance of it passing
there's zero chance of it passing
zero
check out to zero passing
zero
zero
friend
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yes i don't think you pret zero chance he does
zero
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no this could
this pts there's no way nothing thats what it's not going to pass
how to could you
make that deceertion you can't say terents about bernie's sta at midight
we could say the safer about bernie sa
here's here's why you wouldn't have to say the same thing
because bernie's whole shit
rest
upon winning over republican electorate
and therefore undermining the power of the republicans in congress
and in the senate
i think was focusing on more lg
waen
typ democrats yes and that's why fucking failed in eight shit that's why i sound like a trump supporter you fuck me moorn because what we're doing is the lesser evil whathich you're doing is the bigger evil you fuck and you need the other half of the country to pass anything in the first place you stupid fuck that's why we told people not go vote for biden that's why bible doesn't make a fucking difference because byden can't do anything
without the other half of the fucking country you fucking idiot
i like how there were no arguments there just like
constant
we can say there were no arguments but everyone can see i balked your skull
i foxed your soul and my cock is bleeding now
no you but terrible arguments you arguments it's a familytly plain being like a valid policy were rubbish
but it's not going to be past
he was nothing
your gooference was made
if was elected there wouldn't be a family's plan but it was elected the's not going to be a family's plan
that's going to be real and effected in reality so what difference does it make make point when do you think a familys plan is a a chance of being pst
when the
it gets proposed or when it doesn't get
and take serious it's a zero percent chance either way that it's actually going to pass i mean if you say so you're just wrong on this one like most other onm not salking wrong because the republicans will never fucking agree to it never you are i found a point that you didn't like and now you're mass
that's a ca what iver no i'm mad because you're a fucking moron who lives in new zealand
b and
youg mad because i
new zealand
youre stimply mad what it it's like i think you lost i you lost on the substantive point a fuck lost
because here's why i'm mad
because this whole time i've been telling you that wishes and wants mean nothing but all you've given me is wishes and wants all you've given me is things that aren't real or aren't going to be real that's why i'm mad because when i keep asking for an example every new example you give me is a wish and a want you don't actually give me anything real
it's funny because before your argument was that i had didn't have any solid policy points and now that i do
you have'm gone back to what i'm saying ok not can you please your mind part on the video where i said solid policy points
oh well ik you didn't tex tech all i care about was rhetoric which does matter yeah and n i care about what happens in reality yes
i care about what happens in reality
when did i say solid policy points you fucking dumb fucking rat
i said what happened in reality is what mat i resk
you i wasn't exactly quoting you
so you weren't making a point a ah we you sad that the tal powicy butk whre i didn't say that actually fucking yes so what happens in actual reality
means something very similar
os contentt because one thing means what happens you thing means what pose you fucking idiot
re to find an and you're just failing it
you say you're saying you're giving a met a narrative of the discussion to cope
but as far as the actual development of the arguments have have
are concerned
you just lost
i'm sure if you say sir i'm in light but you move from point to point each point i shoot down and then you say well you lost were you given your meta narrative but what happens when we actually argue about a topic you lose
and then you cope you go back to your corner and you say you want
it's funny yous
say i'uncoping when you're the one who's screaming like a child and insisting that you won
i mean it's kind of funny
do you know i don't need to insist i want at this point
i just want you to know you lost
that's all
shahing
you can
f your copiab davis i can't believe somebody is so falking dishonest
they could sit here and
not and think they
and not admit
not that'ss think i know you think you lost i know you experience this is a loss subjective
what
cashi some
what little dignity you have if any you won't even admit it
you're fucking dishonest as well
oh i'm very honest i have bet
tow discussion it id say that since i
cate will be extremely disingenuous or like
actually delusional because it's one of those
to and your whole channel was built on it
we keep offering met a narrative cope
um i fed i mean that's what you want to call
let mem show
met a narrative call
i' disagree but anyway
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how do you feel about it
it was really cool
how do i feel about what
bake with thought
might tobate with wash i beat him
what
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fifteen minutes
and because he ran away off it
because he ran away i never ran away he did
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he ran away
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because it was krd ofent
like
it wasn't really compensation it was wort like i can
incohereny
yolling bech if you get what i mean ok
well that's how ochs fans cope with it but actually substantively speaking
vosh literally couldn't respond to me
on a substantive point
of disagreement i made
a few seys i
any i wouldn't watch thequin
on every substantive point of disagreement
woss had nothing to say
and couldn't respond i literally beat him g on let me tell you what bos tried to say in response he tried to point out some kind of irony he tried to say
oh well you claim you're against it pol identity politics
and yet you're using identity policy
and i immediately shut down a on i did sy oubic
and i immediately shot down his point and debunked it
immediately
how did youfunk it
you can simply use that
she potics of
put me an anglo like half of this debate
was you yelling
and
because i said very clearly and explicitly that the recognition of white supremacy in anglo supremacy
in no way rests upon
democrat and liberal identity politics
in no way does it rest upon those things
you don't need toy is it you don't need to be you don't need to care about identity politics to recognize white sommcy in anglo supremacy
you're dismissing my point
was of my identity this is by definition fuking not i addressed all your points substantively it's just because you're so fucking annoying you keep mouthing off i'm pointing out your
a literally a quintessential anglo and you are a fucking anglo you have a problem with me because you're an anglo you're bothering me right now because you're a fucking anglo you're a seething but hurt anglo you just look in the mirror and accept what you are as a fucking angloid that's what you are you are an ang attacking you because
your madam
no because you're fucking to this don't you understand that all you anglo sound the same that no one else sounds like you but you you're the only ones who sound like the way you do
andglos with ang one
anglos that's rarely colkotobs
yeah i be angl there's i'm trying to say is that there's a pattern here
there's a pattern here
o
there's a pattern
shot
res a pick
everyone seems to see this pattern
i see the pattern
my chat sees the pattern
that's why the meinan took off
you think i had to indoctrinate my chat
into understanding the anglo pattern literally we have people coming here in'tn fucking know them and they understand the anglo pattern they understand what i'm talking just as i said anglo that ah and
yeah yeah anglos are a thing they are those anglos do have this fucking
whole shit going on you know
don't sound like
to the fight
be great like
rea svera
alisblek reversed us
like yeat you sound like a w your so like a white person complaining about reverse racism
m i'm not complaining that's what
ok so i'm not saying i'm engaging in reverse racism
against anglos
no i see it cap across kind of likes stupid
mke
pseudo intellectual wch you're an engloyd you're an engloyd
i'm here i am here
you aren'an anglid basically like your ancestors
had no civilization the romans king gave you all civilization you ever knew
oh
you lived in caves and you lived in swamps you lived in swamps and only lived in caves
ho
sens shoul you have sounded id he like a far aright but somehow even more yeah you keep talking au you love talking about
sound like
you're right
you know i don't care who i sound like i don't care wh i reminds you of
yeah it's like
h fir you have a girlfriend
ny time
youn how old are you
there pd of
that you bight h how old are you
seventeen
okay
this is an eighteen of discord in fuck and moron
seventeen
yeup
are you folking line oh
are you lying it is it
i actually had no idea it was
i normally lay them
that are you seventeen
are you trowlling or are you llying it's about a ban
like this is my beingres on that i think is on the band one i lineer trolling
o you're going to bad me that somethinges a really scary
now i'll have p leve a few one
you're seventeen
yup
stupid fulk
not damned
that damn man
oh man
its a kid was a foalking kid
s a fucking kid
yeah
now guys i'm goning to fuck and go to the gym
dream went on way too long
this dream went on way too long
the stream went on way too long
debate tomorrow
yeah i'll debate someone tomorrow
my guys