DEBATE ABOUT IMPERIALISM [2021-11-20]
2021-11-21
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imperialism so let's bring on our guest
first up let's bring on
flosney how are you
i'm doing well how are you doing
brittany and todd i'm good so yeah if
you want to introduce yourself tell
people where you lie on the political
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floznie gg
i like to debate things i am a liberal
imperialist which will be going into
great detail tonight hopefully and uh
yeah i think that everything else will
come out in the debate here
all righty
um next up let's bring on infrared how
are you
so i just got back from a wedding so you
know
how was it
did you dance no i didn't you know
yeah
but yeah just uh marxist leninist you
know i call myself marxist leninist in
the age of multi-polarity
and the post-covert world so it's a
unique type i guess uh simple and
anti-imperialist you know i'm simple as
that
all righty
so um here is what we will do each
person can give an opening statement
could be as little as one minute no
longer than five about the topic in your
stance after that will open up the floor
for those watching if you have questions
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now all right forget it all right well
let's go to opening statements bosnia
why don't you get it started
all right uh so the question today is
can import imperialism be a force for
good
man is born into a world of oppression
that oppression can come from other men
the institutions we create or nature
itself the purpose of man is to liberate
himself and others from this oppression
the best way to achieve this liberation
is with a strong democratic empire what
is an empire an empire is a state that
exerts its political economic and social
will over a diverse territory all large
multicultural states become empires in a
sense but what is more interesting is
how they act imperialism is what these
big states do when they exert their will
internationally and isolationism is when
these states exert their will locally i
believe the best way to achieve
liberation from all the oppressions
discussed is with a liberal empire the
reasons i support empires are follows
they are the most powerful institutions
man has ever created toward reaching a
common goal they are multicultural and
can take the useful elements from any
culture and leave out the bad
and the centralization of the empire
along with its monopoly on violence
allow it to be easily targeted if it
starts to get oppressive now some people
listening might rightfully be thinking
don't employers cause a lot of
oppression themselves and of course the
answer is yes empires are simply people
are saying that you're skipping uh is he
skipping for you uh
no no testing testing yeah it's fine for
us
i'm so sorry to interrupt you on that
but uh oh sorry
all right i guess just continue
all right empires are simply tools that
humans naturally form as political
entities cross into diverse areas these
schools can be used for good or bad so
if we are going to use the tool of
empire how do we do so justly the way to
do that is to make the empire liberal
and democratic liberalism is to be
valued for the following reasons it
allows diverse populations to have
individual freedom and not be oppressed
under conformity it allows the will of
the people to literally be expressed
through a democratic process and
liberalism is a limiting framework of
government from which stem some of the
issues of imperialism
a liberal empire almost seems like an
oxymoron but it is in this paradoxical
idea that we can find an ideal the
forces of liberalism and empire should
be opposed to each other because freedom
and security are opposed to each other
and yet we all want both these forces
are always in constant flux and you can
never have total security or total
freedom so our governing institutions
should be put in a state to balance
these two values this is where checks
and balances come in to mitigate the
empire separation of powers
constitutions protecting human rights
and representative democracy ensure the
empire honors our human rights
the only rights that we have are the
ones that we fight for what makes
something right or wrong is irrelevant
to actually having those rights i
believe that everyone on this planet
deserves the right of life liberty and
the pursuit of happiness i don't see any
of my brothers and sisters in zimbabwe
or kazakhstan or hong kong or seattle as
having a barrier between them i see all
these individuals deserving the same
rights that i do and i'm willing to
fight for these rights the best tool
that we do have to fight for this
liberation is the empire empires aren't
going anywhere today we have a liberal
empire and a totalitarian dictatorship
in china both of these empires have
committed horrible atrocities to secure
their power and yet both have done
amazing things as well america conquered
a continent ended slavery and liberated
europe and east asia after world war ii
china has ruled over its territory for
thousands of years has the greatest
public's works in the world and has
increased the quality of living so much
that they went from a backwater to a
superpower in less than a century
the question we have to face going
forward into the future is which of
these models will win out will the
chaotic democracy of america win out
with our ability to respect rule of law
the will of the people and individual
liberties or will it be the competent
but brutal dictatorship of china as it
disregards the liberties of its citizens
for an increase in material conditions
for those that can form to be completely
honest i don't know who will who will
win out this is truly the competition
between freedom and slavery
america is the last revolution standing
haiti was beat to a pulp the soviets
collapsed under their own incompetence
and rigidity and china does not even
concern itself with democracy or human
rights america is the last bastion of
liberalism that can fight for rights
around the globe to be fair we have
focused on economics over human rights
in recent decades and i abort those
actions if there was a better state
position to promote human rights i would
support that if switzerland wanted to
invade us provide everyone health care
and free all the non-violent drug
offenders i would not oppose that but
alas the swiss canton systems do not
seem to be poised to be the global
system of organization my goal for the
future is that we extend the rights we
all hold dear to each other throughout
the planet i dream of a day where the
distinction between citizen and
foreigner does not determine your claim
to human rights the best way to do that
is to dissolve the distinction into one
unified state i believe to get there we
need a one world liberal empire with
checks and balances and a limiting
constitution
this is to be fair a far off and lofty
goal this would take generations and
centuries and a vast change in our
material conditions
while this is the ideal i see today
there are real steps i say america
america should take first to get there
we should provide universal healthcare
to all of our citizens we should close
down guantanamo bay and trial the
prisoners as u.s citizens and we should
rebuild our crumbling infrastructure for
our first steps towards empire brothers
and sisters comrades and companions i
say no matter where you find yourselves
fight fight fight for your liberation
well you may need to bear arms to fight
the suppression the strongest shots we
can take today are often with cameras
not kalashnov's so i say arm yourselves
with whatever means necessary to fight
the good fight and make sure that the
fight is recorded and sent to the
billions of people worldwide so the just
can unite with you to liberate you from
your oppressors
and that's my opening statement there
all right thank you awesome
first i'd like to say it's interesting
that my opponent here seems to have
unironically either i don't know if you
had invented it yourself or it's a new
trend but i actually predicted that um
there is going to be a new form of
fascism that emerges in the united
states which is going to combine the
disillusioned bernie people with the
neoconservatives so aoc plus john bolton
and that's actually the future of uh
american fascism in this country so i
want to congratulate my opponent for
actually unironically adopting this as
some kind of uh internet ideology i find
it very fascinating and interesting but
anyway to
give my opening statement on the
question before we can talk about this
silly idea of a liberal empire and by
the way i'm not necessarily saying
liberal empires are impossible i think
there is an example in history
of a real existing uh liberal empire
actually there's two examples one of
which is the notorious
bloodthirsty pirates of the british
empire which was probably responsible
for more of the genocide slavery and
slaughter of mankind than any other
empire in the history of humanity and
the other one which also has a similar
track record to its predecessor the
british empire was nazi germany another
liberal empire as i would call it
actually i think i would all pretty much
define fascism
as
this paradoxical unity of words liberal
empire fascism is precisely liberalism's
emergency crisis where it can no longer
tolerate the strict formal mechanisms of
liberal government it has to engage in
this
extra-liberal
uh so-called empire in order to sustain
liberalism right it requires this
contradiction to preserve it
but even moving beyond this silly idea
of a so-called liberal empire i think we
only need to look at the following facts
to immediately dismiss
the notion that somehow liberalism can
be spread by force by one nation against
other nations and it is the fact there
has never been a successful
or harm meaning minimally harmonious
multicultural or even multi-racial
liberal society in the history of
humanity and the reason for that is
because there is no possibility for the
recognition of positive
human realities in a liberal government
i'll preface what i mean by that liberal
governments recognize abstractions like
individual rights and liberties and
human rights but nowhere in liberal
government can they afford a specific
positive recognition of
determinate national reality specific
cultures specific history specific
traditions liberalism is purely an
abstract negative universality that
takes all these things for granted the
minute a government recognizes a
specific nation
or a specific culture or a specific
group it is necessarily extra liberal
it's moving beyond the mere liberal
uh recognition of equality which is an
abstract and completely um
negative notion that doesn't actually
account for the positive realities and
it moves toward a post-liberal type of
society this is why the only
societies today which actually can
manage multiple uh ethnicities and
nationalities within a single policy in
government are post-liberal illiberal
societies russia is an example of that
russia is not the rule of the russian
nation state and everyone else being
somehow completely oppressed russia is a
multi-ethnic
and civilization and always has been the
same is true for china
so
it stands to question whether a liberal
government can recognize other nations
as even existing in the first place it's
not that i think your liberal empire is
just going to oppress people
it's so-called liberal government can't
even recognize nationality
uh culture and civilization as a
positive reality in the first place so
while you think you may be just giving
people equal rights and you're
liberating the world you are
presupposing many things that are unique
to your specific american cultural and
national background that you take for
granted but which other people can can
feel it's sort of like an un it's sort
of like getting unwanted attention from
like a smelly sweaty fat guy behind your
back
he may not know what he smells like and
you know
how he's breathing but you sure as hell
can you know detect that and the same
thing i think would be true for your
so-called liberal empire your liberal
empire would be a fat sweaty unwanted
creepy guy
who's claiming to liberate some kind of
woman oh let me liberate you but she can
smell him specifically do you understand
what i'm saying he's not some kind of
abstract force of liberation it's a
specific nation it's a specific country
that's attempting to impose itself on
others whether it acknowledges that fact
or not you can say oh yeah i'm we're not
privileging the specific american
national realities
and imposing that on other people but
that's actually the reality of what
you're doing that's why
that's the very paradox of liberalism
the paradox of liberalism
is that it thinks it's a form of
government that can premise its own real
material conditions liberalism imagines
certain formal premises and conditions
but it doesn't actually account for the
real ones that actually do exist in
reality regardless of um what you want
it to be or what you think it is right
so i i think it's a complete absurdity
what you're saying so-called liberal
empire but at best if i want to be very
very charitable to you i think you would
be an excellent intellectual for the
future disillusioned uh
dsa hassan and bernie people i think
they would get on board with what you're
saying i think most american leftists
actually whether they want to admit it
right now or not
pretty much completely agree with you
that you are
if i'm being generous to you but i think
you represent the future of the american
left
okay
okay well uh all right um so i just want
to go over a few of the things that you
said in there and then we can i guess
have a back and forth there um i do
understand why you said uh fascism there
except
fascism is like a negation of liberalism
and i want to promote liberalism the
fact that well let me let me just say a
few things that we can go back and forth
um so the so uh so there so there are
key differences there um but regardless
of if we call it fascism or liberalism i
care about the actual policies so i'm
not too worried about the actual uh uh
name that we put on that um so
i'm not really concerned about that yeah
but it turns out you have to acknowledge
my point that this isn't just about
policy it's about the actual material
well i i don't think you made a good
point i don't think that it's no well
so specifically the reason why it's not
is because i actually care about the
human rights to like for the meaning of
the state i don't care about the state
what is human rights what is that what
is human rights that's something so the
mainstream rights
contrived no no it's very concrete yeah
okay well so the so the human rights i
care about mainly our life liberty and
the pursuit of happiness just to put an
american context
so yeah so so life means that um because
of your station of birth you're not
going to be determined um if you get
life or not like so you can't be killed
by the state um so freedom from genocide
um and then also basically that you have
freedom of speech so that's the liberty
right there that you can actually
participate so hold on let me address
the first one so you're going to be free
from genocide which means let's say you
have the example of the korean war the
vietnam war oh the u.s isn't engaging in
genocide against these people because i
didn't say the us never do genocide well
i'm giving you an example of how states
can commit genocide while maintaining
the protection to liberal universalism
the u.s did engage in any type of
genocidal war against koreans and
against vietnamese but it disguises oh
we're not doing it because they're
vietnamese we're doing it because
they're supporting this nefarious uh
ideology that's opposed to liberalism so
under the banner of defending liberalism
you can in fact in material reality be a
genocide doesn't even work primarily in
the form of like uh we don't like this
group because of where they were born or
what their ethnicity is we're gonna
eliminate them it has to do with when
you have concrete civilizational
differences and you can recognize that
it's because of civilizational
differences or not but the very
unwillingness for americans like
yourself to recognize that america is
just another country is what actually
leads to things like real genocide it
doesn't matter if you
so yeah so let me let me jump in here so
yeah so so what you're talking about
isn't really an argument because uh
communist you know regimes marxist
leninist regimes they can also do
genocide some somebody calling
themselves something doesn't mean that
they're upholding their values obviously
that's
can you let me talk i haven't i haven't
even been able to
all right all right mr haas
so
one at a time um
okay fuzzy why don't you say what it is
you were gonna say and then um
yeah so we're uh so regardless of what
somebody calls themselves they can
commit atrocities regardless of what
they do um the reason why i promote
liberalism is because the idea of uh the
ideas in liberalism are that you should
be liberated from certain oppressions um
one of the oppression is other people
trying to put you down because of either
your race your ethnicity or where you're
from um i believe that your birth should
not determine how you live um and that
is a central tenet of
of liberalism and stuff and i'm not
necessarily against um just let you know
like marxist thought or uh certain ideas
of socialism or anything i'm not like
necessarily against that so i'm not i'm
not saying that to attack marxism i'm
just saying that people can use any
ideology as a front and then do
atrocities i'm not for the vietnam war
um something i said in my opening
statement i think that america
especially since the end of the um
second world war we have gone out not to
promote our liberal values but we have
gone out just in search of money we've
gone out just to promote capitalism um
and to fight against communism instead
of letting democrat democratically
elected uh leaders take over in places
where they won't might want to talk
about
look i don't think you actually
understand what's being said here i
don't think you want to commit
atrocities and you want to engage in
genocide ideally that's not what you
want what i'm asking you is how is it in
practice can your liberal ideology and
i'm not talking about what you want to
happen but based on the material reality
how can you prevent
or how can you avoid
this kind of atrocities in genocide i
know it's not what you want i'm just
saying it's an inevitable result of
attempting to
be a crusader for your ideology
and regard and you're ignoring the
concrete material and civilizational
differences between different peoples
right different people well the
civilizational yeah the civilizational
differences don't matter like the right
side
so there you go you just said it you
just underpinned why i called liberalism
i don't think that's some ethnicity yeah
exactly i don't think
i don't think somebody just [Β __Β ]
talks about yeah
you just made my point for me you just
said civilizational differences don't
matter congratulations you arrived at
why i call liberalism and inherently
genocidal ideology if you don't
recognize these civilizational
differences you're going to overstep the
bounds of your specific civilization and
impose it on others
this is inherently a form of kind of and
this will inevitably lead to some kind
of genocide when you see that despite
constantly imposing and imposing
yourself on others that they're still
resisting it for some deeply embedded
reason this is often the reason for why
genocides happen in history it's not
simply that people have this ideal of
wanting to commit genocide it happens as
a result of not being able to respect
the reality of civilizational
differences
so the reason why i said civilizational
differences don't matter is because the
government that i'm talking about for
like a worldwide empire isn't a
worldwide empire that does everything
for everyone it's not the china of the
world that is in everybody's life the i
would want a limited government that
would barely do a few things number one
is give people freedom of speech and
number two is really stop genocide like
and then if we can do those two things
then i want people to uh uh to be able
to who's gonna enforce that have some
type of democracy government from what
so well that so right now america so
right now america is the best position
to do that um i don't care if it's
america if we could have a federalized
u.n um that would go out and do things
because the reason why i said
civilizational differences don't matter
is because i don't see different
ethnicities having a different right to
prevent genocide or to have women go to
school or to you know i mean have
freedom of speech to be able to say what
you want i don't think you know what the
word so that's a huge yeah you don't
know what the word right means so
something called right okay yeah rights
are bestowed by states states have
material civilizations
hey shut the [Β __Β ] up
rights are based in the state
states have civilizational and material
realities which means states are
contingent therefore rights are
contingent whether you want to recognize
well i don't think certain ethnicities
should have more rights like hey hey
buddy you're putting the car before the
horse before anyone has to give a [Β __Β ]
about what you think about which
ethnicities uh whether ethnicities
should be given a pass or not you have
to interpolate those different
ethnicities under one common state in
the first place and it's getting there
where you can subsume everyone under a
common state that has something to say
about everyone's rights that's the
problem here i'm accusing your fantasy
of trying to subsume the entire world
into one kind of state one kind one
dispenser of rights as an inherently
genocidal fantasy whether you recognize
it would inevitably lead to genocide or
not is completely irrelevant it is a
fundamentally genocidal ideology
well who would i want to kill because of
their station of birth because that
isn't anything that i've said at all
which is which
hey hey
you have not you have not even [Β __Β ]
picked up you haven't even been paying
attention to this entire debate i
literally said you probably don't want
any genocide no i understand but you
didn't answer
but can you understand that this is i'm
arguing at least whether you agree with
it or not that this is a fundamentally
inevitable byproduct of this ideology
you have
well i'm saying that you're wrong that's
the only only people it's that it's an
inevitable byproduct of the only people
a universal liberal state in a world
with various civilizational national et
cetera differences
so the great thing about the united
states is that we have the system of
states where we have different states
that have different uh uh they
so
so yeah so right now we have a
collection of states that we have and
ideally i'd like to see that throughout
the world i'd like to see a united
states of earth obviously that's a lofty
goal we probably won't get there the
closest we could get is like a
federalized u.n but the reason i want
that is i want a limited top-down
government that says hey there's these
few human rights that you have to
respect if you do that then in your own
states then you can do all your other
type of sovereign stuff so that's like
the type of system that i'm arguing for
and nowhere in there am i saying that
anybody because of how they are born
should be killed at all if you want to
say that some people should get violence
against them because of how uh the
actions that they take we can talk about
those actions but that's a separate
thing that's not genocidal so let me get
this straight you're using the united
states a country that was founded on
genocide
as an example for how you're going to
create a universal state for the whole
world you're using the united states
whose racial divisions in this country
are so [Β __Β ] deeply embedded and such
a source of civil unrest and political
antagonism that it make the rest of the
world looks on in awe at the fact you're
using the united states as an example of
how you're going to ameliorate
civilizational differences when we can't
even ameliorate the smallest [Β __Β ]
racial cultural differences here i don't
even know if you can say white america
and black america are different
civilizations but the united states is
so poorly equipped with dealing with
differences between peoples cultural
differences between peoples that to this
very day it's a source of such intense
antagonism and conflict you're using
that as an example of how you're going
to deal with the whole [Β __Β ] world
that's a joke dude
yeah of course so yeah so the reason why
i'm using that is because it allows for
that sovereignty under a a more
federalized framework um and yeah but
access to change
so so you have to so on that you would
actually be able to change what you want
to say this isn't like a one you know
one day thing that we're just gonna take
over i don't think the whole world is
ready for that um however i think
america is actually really good at
bringing cultures together the idea that
white and black america are two separate
cultures is like a ridiculous thing um
if anything white culture in america
wants to be black culture because of the
uh how positive influence black american
culture has had but regardless of that
we actually see really well how our
system is working if you just look at
the kyo rittenhouse case he was tried in
a court and then the rule of law whether
whether you would agree with it or not
the rule of law went out there it wasn't
like in china uh where if he was
arrested it would come down to does this
help the party is the party gonna win
out here because that's how the uh how
the legal system works over there where
here we actually have the rule of law
and we still have people flooding our
borders trying to come in here because
we have this shining hill of a
civilization no it's not it's people
it's not real quick let me just
i just have one more i just have one
more sentence it's not perfect it's not
perfect we have a lot of issues but
that's why in my opening statement the
three things that i said that we should
do had nothing to do with international
expansion the the ideas that i have to
do for uh for our empire are rebuilding
our crumbling infrastructure give
everybody universal healthcare close
down guantanamo bay it's not about uh
going out and exporting everything right
away ideally i would want to be a good
example so other people want to join us
i don't want to go out and forcibly and
put this on i want to be a good example
that other people want to be
okay so there's about three things right
first of all the idea that kyle
rittenhouse or whatever is an example of
the profound rule of law the fact that
that was so sensationalized in the first
place and has been such a source of huge
strife and unrest it says how much our
so-called rule of law is able to attend
to these antagonisms and these realities
second the idea that immigrants come
here because of our shining pillars
whatever the [Β __Β ] you're saying it's the
biggest crock of [Β __Β ] i've ever
heard in my life people come here
because our country is wealthier and you
can get you can have a better standard
of living by coming to live here that's
why immigrants go to europe that's why
immigrants go to wealthier countries
than the countries they're from it's not
because of uh our shining beacon of
democracy where the [Β __Β ] you're saying
second of all you're talking about how
the united states is going to fix itself
prove itself as an example make itself
appetizing for other countries in the
world to join i guess as the 51st 2nd
3rd 4th 5th state
but
again you're putting the car before the
horse before you can even think of that
you have to address the following facts
one you have to address the current
political antagonism within the united
states i think you're fundamentally
incapable of doing that two you have to
draw out the wealth of actual material
and not arbitrary moral interests that
exist in the united states for why we
would want these various different
countries to join our specific policy
four you have to address the fact that
even if other countries see the united
states as a shining example that they
want to live by for their future and
that's not we're living in fantasy land
right now because that's not what's
going on
why would they ever want to give up
their sovereignty people have spilled
blood for their sovereignty people put
their sovereignty even before being able
to eat even before being able to live
right sovereignty and dignity are
fundamentally
um
and national pride these are fundamental
facts of human life why would people
want to give up their sovereignty and
submit and obey the authority of a
completely different civilization and a
completely different people that just
seems incredibly implausible but if your
idea is basically that we're not going
to become an empire that invades other
countries and forces ourselves upon them
and that this process is going to happen
as a gradual result of countries just
voluntarily deciding to join the united
states um the question stands why should
anyone care about this hypothetical
scenario that probably won't ever
[Β __Β ] happen what relevance does it
actually have you're saying that
countries are going to be knocking on
our doorstep to become uh states of this
country well first of all the people of
this country are going to have a problem
with that the people of this country
already have issues with immigration
from mexico a country that's like right
on our border right how are you going to
deal with all these problems and
antagonisms and civilizational and
cultural differences between peoples
what you're saying sounds like a
complete joke to me
so yeah it's very evident from the way
that you're talking that you haven't
actually thought about a lot of these
things too much you're you're you just
kind of every thought that comes in your
head you're trying to attach it to a lot
of things which is why you're kind of
rambling on it um so the reason why i'm
talking about the civilization so the
reason i was talking about the
civilizational differences not mattering
is because we have as we progress
forward we have to give up these ideas
of our national civilizations just like
those aren't just ideas can i can i
please talk i just let you talk for a
long time dude come on um so uh so so
the ideas of the civilization just like
the ideas of the tribe have fallen away
from us as we've gotten rid of those um
the ideas as we progress forward of the
of the nation state need to um slowly
drip away we need to you know come more
together in a um more of a humanist
ideal so that way we can unite on a
planetary um on a planetary ideal the
reason we need to do this is because we
need to be able to muster our resources
um to be able to do the most that we
want and another thing you said why
would people want to join the uh why
would people want to join the state um
the main reason that people would want
to join the state is because we would
want to make ourselves more attractive
and if we're making ourselves more
attractive i would also want other
states to do this as well i would want
them to have the same mindset to make
themselves as good as they can so that
way they could say hey if you're so good
be part of our country and then if we
all get so good and we all don't want to
be part of different countries then we
can come together in unions um i think
that the eu is a really good uh uh
experiment to see are we gonna have
federalization with the u.s or are we
going to have confederation with the eu
being uh what promotes liberalism going
forward it seems like the u.s is
stronger right now um but that remains
to be seen in the future um at the end
of the day though regardless of either
of these things if china is the one that
can prevent more genocide with um their
authoritarian rule by having the
top-down approach um then i would be
okay with that if they can actually like
make people's material conditions better
if they can't if they can stop weaker uh
genociding the uyghurs if they can you
know i mean uh stop trying to
dominate the people from you know hong
kong and taiwan then yeah i'd be okay
with that if they can give everybody
liberal values um i don't want the the
chinese government to like fall or
topple just because it's not democratic
and liberal i want it to get closer to
what we are and if we can take some of
their ideas from competence and we can
come together in a global union that's
what i would advocate for so so first of
all the guy goes he says you say
uh the national realities and
civilizational realities yeah those are
ideas they're merely ideas that we can
swap out and and replace right no dude
they're not just ideas they're rooted in
fundamentally material realities
civilizational memory they're
unconscious realities these are not
ideas and the reason they're not ideas
is because the actual content of
specific ideas don't really matter
civilizational realities
cultural realities national realities
these are things that assert themselves
just through form which means re they
assert themselves symptomatically
regardless of what the ideal is
regardless take for example the
experience of communism communism was
the probably the biggest example of a
universalizing abstract ideology or
whatever but
it they had to at least at a certain
point acknowledge yes there are
fundamentally embedded real material
national and civilizational realities
that don't appear to be reducible to any
specific ideology there's something more
fundamental more unconscious more
subconscious that can't be reduced to
some kind of doctrine or some kind of
prejudice so your [Β __Β ] john lennon
kumbaya thing of like oh we're all going
to come together and abandon our
tribalism and abandon our national
realities this is the complete liberal
delusion and stupidity that i don't even
think is needs to be
even addressed on face value just tell
this to people and they're gonna be like
yeah you're a [Β __Β ] idiot if you think
that
right um second of all not right second
of all yeah shut the [Β __Β ] up actually
yeah and then you said you said we have
to make ourselves more attractive to
other countries i wonder if that
involves putting a [Β __Β ] ugly soul
patch on our chin but anyway you said
something like uh you said something
like the eu is a prime example of it's a
really good example dude the eu is
[Β __Β ] ruled by listen
like german banks it's completely
dominated by france and germany and
there's a colonialism of the eu on the
southern european countries that is an
intense source of [Β __Β ] uh antagonism
the eu is probably not going to exist in
10 years as a matter of fact the eu has
been such a [Β __Β ] catastrophe and
being able to respond to issues such as
anti-immigrant populism general
nationalistic sentiment and right-wing
populism the fact that you bring it up
as an example for the entire [Β __Β ]
world is the biggest joke i've ever
[Β __Β ] heard now yeah
now yeah great great argument man um so
so yeah so uh so at the end of the day
i'm not saying that we shouldn't uh uh
that we shouldn't care about
civilizational differences or cultural
differences um the way that i would
address these things is on a geographic
basis i think that when you have people
that live together in certain areas
that's really what determines it and i
would want those areas to be states
under my system the only thing that i
want for the empire you address real
quick
the only person
they would have different they would
have different areas of sovereignty into
a scenario where you're already a state
that has sovereignty over them
okay
wait so what's your question are you
asking how we're going to respond how
are you going to build a state in spite
of these civilizational differences how
will it be built well so so right now
states already exist everywhere
everywhere across the world
so the question is so the question is
how do we organize these states so right
now we actually do how are you going to
build a liberal empire that is going to
have sovereignty that overrides the
sovereignty of these states that already
exist
so right now we are already starting to
work on that we have the u.n right now
which is
not an example of okay are you going to
do do you if you don't care about what
i'm saying then you can like go and just
like jerk off with yourself you know i
mean crying i'm gonna cry am i gonna cry
i don't think i'm gonna cry at all i
don't know what you're talking about man
i'm having fun with this take a sip of
yours this is actually really rum but
hey if you want to have a big boy drink
another sip um
do you pee out your butt
hey take another sip from your sippy cup
[Laughter]
so um
um so the question so the question is do
you think that uh we either should or
will ever no matter how long in the
future ever have a fully uh uh planetary
or uh human civilization absolutely do
you think that's ever absolutely doubted
do you think we shouldn't have that it
would be weathering away of the state
before that ever happens
so
is he withering away of the state
entirely is more applause did i lose you
guys than a planetary vehicle still here
we're still here can you see us flossing
are you okay yeah i can hear you know
sorry yeah sorry i got a glitch out
there for a second um okay so i think
that we actually can get to that point i
think that we're going to get to that
point as material conditions change i
don't think we're i don't think we're
there yet i think that we need to do a
lot more why are we able to get there
and what do we have so
so so i think that the way we have to do
it is actually very reminiscent of what
we did with the eu um the way that that
started
with
can i please answer your question can i
please answer your question before you
start asking me another one jesus christ
dude um so the way that the eu started
was they had coal and steel
manufacturers from two nations that were
fighting each other multiple nations
that were fighting each other come
together and uh intersect economically
so we should do that with a lot of other
countries america's already done this to
a large extent with china i don't think
that like china should be taken down or
anything or that we should try to uh
like impose everything over china um i
think that we should work with china
because china is the next biggest force
that can do anything in the world so i
think that china and the united states
should try to work together to
accomplish similar goals keep rambling
you you you asked me a question i
answered your question yeah you didn't
answer [Β __Β ] when i interrupted you
that's when you sort of shut the [Β __Β ] up
because you didn't say anything about
that dude you're not posturing very
confidently or strong you're just
showing that you don't know how to argue
no no no you're just trying to yell
you're waiting you're wasting my [Β __Β ]
time you just you don't have any time to
waste example and you have you don't
have a girlfriend to go home too you
don't have anything special to do this
is all that you do if you have [Β __Β ]
funko pops and a [Β __Β ] squirtle in
your backpack i don't have a funko pop
that's just a it's just a [Β __Β ]
goddamn sword
you're literally the example of
america's civilizational decline
incarnated in a [Β __Β ] person let's do
it such a [Β __Β ] top little boy and
let's get to the meat and potatoes
shut the [Β __Β ] up you just use the
[Β __Β ] eu as an example but through
this [Β __Β ] day the eu is not able to
address the developmental needs and
differences between different states
within it southern european countries
don't have their own independent [Β __Β ]
industries and it is the inherent
striving of nations and countries to
have their own independent industries
and their own independent economic and
industrial bases the eu has been proved
a complete [Β __Β ] catastrophe i
wouldn't even say that because it was
never intended for that for the start
it's a neo-colonial institution that
colonizes southern europe with debt
turns them into [Β __Β ] debt colonies
for german banks you're using that as a
[Β __Β ] example of how you're going to
ameliorate the economic differences
between china and the us of all
countries you can't even [Β __Β ] do it
in europe between [Β __Β ] former
yugoslavia and and germany and southern
europe and italy and greece these small
countries you're going to take china a
country with 1.4 billion people and
you're going to have the united states
on the other hand you're going to say
we're going to just have the eu as an
our model institution for how to
integrate these two countries what a
complete [Β __Β ] joke dude you don't
know [Β __Β ] about [Β __Β ] geopolitics or
the [Β __Β ] current world or how the
world works today
i think it's really funny that like
you've like like you you don't
understand my argument at all because
you haven't listened to it because i
don't actually think you disagree with
it too much like if you listen to it
based on some other things i've heard
you say um but the idea that everybody
wants to be economically um and
industrial independent is not true we
don't need to do that it's actually way
better it's actually way better it's
actually way better if we specialize in
certain things and then we trade and if
we're working together
with having an independent real quick
let me please let me finish i just let
you ramble dude can i please finish can
i please finish my thing you're gonna
can i [Β __Β ] rambling this entire time
can i guys can i please guys can i
please finish my argument go ahead okay
so uh uh so yeah so the reason why it's
good that uh if we don't just have our
own industrial bases and if we uh mix it
up with different countries is because
that way we share our culture with each
other so that way we have less of these
uh device uh divisions with each other
and we share our trade and industry with
each other so that way our militaries
are linked to each other so we can't
fight each other so like all these
things are good at preventing war and
making sure that we all cooperate
together in more of a humane manner
that's that's what i want to do and if
you don't want that thing that's cool
complete it's not about what you want or
what you don't want it's about the
[Β __Β ] reality and here's the actual
reality we're dealing with on the
[Β __Β ] ground here different countries
do want to be in industrial and
economically independent
regardless of what they're [Β __Β ]
actually specializing in germany
specializes in cars other countries
specialize in different things but those
type of countries have in common in
independent industrial manufacturing and
economic base that is what drives the
politics of almost every single country
in this world is which person is
promising to get better jobs for the
population which presupposes industrial
economic independence now obviously the
world is economically interdependent
there's no way around that but there is
a stark division between export
countries and import countries import
countries by the goods of other
countries thereby creating trade
imbalances which benefit the exporting
countries and importing countries are
flooded with cheap goods that decimate
local industries and decimate the ways
of lives and jobs of the people in those
countries
that alone is like such a simple
condensation of like the most
fundamental economic antagonism that
exists across countries and within
countries it's what drives local
politics politicians respond to this by
promising to return jobs or promising to
revive the economy most of them are
lying but it proves that it is the
fundamental striving of each nation in
each country to build up some measure of
an economic foundation unique to that
country without economic sovereignty you
don't even have political sovereignty
so i agree that economics are important
but i don't think it has to be
industrial the idea that industrial jobs
are the good jobs isn't true especially
into this era um it's one of marx's
biggest blind spots it's that he looks
at the world seeing it very industrial
and then what's an industry the final
age can i can i please go you said
industrial if you just mean industries
and that's a different question i'm
sorry if i mistook that um the second
part i wanted to go though a lot of the
issues that you talked about with the
trade imbalances treatment balance isn't
necessarily an issue but you did point
out a few issues that come from it um
the tpp one of these organizations that
actually brings countries together which
is what i'm talking about i'm talking
about more institutions to bring
countries together all in a common
banner that would actually alleviate
some of the issues that you're talking
about so my ideas of like spreading uh
the reason why i bite the bullet of
imperialism isn't because i want to go
out and conquer a whole bunch of
territories it's because i have ideas
that i want to spread worldwide because
i think genocide's bad for everyone i
think freedom of speech is good for
everyone and i think that people's
material conditions should be improved
yeah if only material reality was
let me
i'm almost there what i really care
about is global cooperation to make sure
that we can do that for the most amount
of people
yeah if only material reality and how
reality works was based on what you want
and what you don't want there has been
no leader in the history of humanity
maybe besides the nazis who like
directly said yes we want to do bad [Β __Β ]
and just have bad [Β __Β ] happen bad [Β __Β ]
is the result of good people saying they
want to do good things and the bad
shit's a byproduct you haven't even come
close to remotely addressing
and this is the first point i'm making
how you're going to avoid the same bad
[Β __Β ] that liberal empires in the past
have done how are you going to avoid
that saying that you don't want them to
happen isn't [Β __Β ] convincing enough
nobody says they want them to happen now
second of all you said another stupid
[Β __Β ] thing which was oh
industries are outdated today especially
in this day and age
please i'm gonna ask you to impress you
upon that how exactly are [Β __Β ]
industries outdated today uh because of
the unique circumstances of the era
industries what do you even think an
industry is in the first place first of
all maybe we have to get to the bottom
of that first now you're also saying
that trade imbalances don't matter even
though it's the fundamental driving
source of the conflict between the
united states and china up to this day
it's the very source of china's rise in
comparison to united states it's why
donald trump became a thing in the first
place in the united states um you
haven't even made a single [Β __Β ]
argument this entire debate let alone
that [Β __Β ] rambling spiel you went on
uh before i started talking so why don't
you actually get to the meat and
potatoes instead of talking about oh i
want this to happen i want that to
happen can you at least prove how it's
going to happen or that it can happen
nobody cares about your stupid [Β __Β ]
larping scenario which is just as real
as the [Β __Β ] pokemon in the back of
your [Β __Β ] room it has nothing to do
with reality
this it is a lot of fun because like
instead of like arguing it's just like
the name calling and it's just like
going back and forth you are a [Β __Β ]
and all this stuff before you are a bit
so ex and exactly then
right on cue um so so one of the one of
the things that i would do to uh to
alleviate some of this stuff you said a
lot of liberal empires have gone out to
do this they've done some of these good
things but they've also you know done
terrible atrocities in the wake they're
automatically genocidal um i don't
necessarily disagree with you that has
happened i'm with you the way that we
stop that mainly is with transparency
what we've seen you can see harvard's
studies on this non-violent protest has
actually been much more successful than
violent protest um since the end of the
uh uh what does it have to do with the
atrocities there's a lot of there's a
lot of reasons for that um but what it
has to do with the atrocities is that i
believe we should have transparency for
things if you didn't if you listened to
my opening statement i said that what
did that protest strong who's being the
government the strongest weapon that
you're going to have is your camera not
your kalashkinov so like that that
doesn't stop atrocities people are
accountable
well it does in america
didn't stop the [Β __Β ] british from the
bengal famine in india it didn't stop
[Β __Β ] the british from committing
atrocities why do you think peaceful
protest is going to stop atrocities well
first off peace and also and also here's
why you're [Β __Β ] stupid here yeah yeah
you're laying the burden on the people
now and not the government you're
speaking on behalf of a potential
government and yet you're talking about
how the people should just be peaceful
but dude you're the one who's the
government you can't [Β __Β ] go hey you
know all you people who have problems
you should just peacefully protest but
your position of moral agency and
responsibility has its f as its
foundation the government you're not
speaking on behalf of the people you're
speaking as the government the so-called
government of the liberal empire your
response to the question about
uh how are you going to prevent
genocides and atrocities like other
liberal empires in the past have is
saying hey it was the people's fault
that those [Β __Β ] you're gonna blame
the people for this that's a great
struggle
because are you farming because that's a
really good straw man you could take
that out to the farm with you that's
such a good straw man like you can
clarify what you mean by peaceful
progress clarify what you mean by
peaceful process
i didn't even
so you're not listening so you're not
listening so so the main reason why i
want this liberal empire is so that
people can have freedom of speech so
that's what the government does on their
side they give people the freedom of
speech if people have freedom of speech
then they can actually be transparent
record these things and make sure that
these atrocities get addressed by the
government and that way people stop it
the only way that something's going to
stop in a democracy is if the people
that does not stop atrocities the people
have to be what it's the only way to
there's no other way to stop it that you
have like there isn't a way that you
have do you have calling your fantasy
inherently genocidal
i am calling your fantasy inheritance
but you haven't you haven't provided any
evidence for that at all yeah like
because the only the only real existing
and you just yell yeah but the only real
existing liberal empires that exist have
existed in history have been what the
british empire the united states in the
20th century and today and i would argue
nazi germany you probably wouldn't agree
with that i was called genocidal empire
but they were all
these empires were liberal
none of these empires were liberal
wait you're saying the british empire
was not a liberal empire
no the british empire was just a cat the
british was a capitalist where do you
think liberalism originated you [Β __Β ]
idiot
where do you think liberals came
from you [Β __Β ] illiterate stupid [Β __Β ]
you don't know anything about history
you're literally a dumbass you're
literally a dumb [Β __Β ] you think do you
think do you think that when uh that
when that when britain took over do you
think that when britain took over the
east india trade company for uh uh that
when they took it over they just gave
everybody human rights and they made
them all citizens bro
when has liberalism ever been defined by
human rights human rights is a [Β __Β ]
concept
human rights had nothing to do with that
human there was not even the [Β __Β ]
vernacular of human rights human rights
no human rights the [Β __Β ] phrase human
rights only started to be used in the
american unipolar era of neoliberalism
after the 1970s before then not true
human rights started with like thomas
paine you're way off okay okay
okay when did the specific phrase human
rights right when is the human rights
charter founded
well the human rights charges separate
from the actual phrase when was the
foundation when was the human rights
startup exact date you can look up the
exact shout out i thought you're a smart
guy who knows
obviously post world war two
why are you bringing up the [Β __Β ]
civil war and thomas payne you dumb [Β __Β ]
wait you you are so lost you you're not
even here for the argument are you you
just wanted to ramble in yeah all you've
done this whole time is meta narrative
like a [Β __Β ] [Β __Β ] instead of
addressing any substantive point i've
brought up
all you've done is meta-narrativize the
[Β __Β ] debate which proves you [Β __Β ]
lost by the way i've literally i've
literally answered all your questions
you haven't answered the question of how
you address the discrepancy between
ideals and material reality you have to
address the question of how you can use
the eu as an example you haven't
addressed the question of how you can
use the united states as a [Β __Β ]
example you haven't addressed the
question of whether civilizational
differences are material or solely based
on ideas as you said you haven't
addressed a single [Β __Β ] thing i've
said this entire time all you've done is
meta-narrativize and [Β __Β ] ramblings
talk fast about a whole lot of [Β __Β ]
nothing
i would i would really suggest you to
re-listen to this debate because i i
literally answered all of those
questions that you had like and i
brought up examples okay we'll see in
the post-debate polls we'll see how
people vote in the poll okay we'll see
because i don't think i have to re-watch
something why
why is so much of the devil why would
you understand your personal identity
because you you're a [Β __Β ] time
because you are a
you are a time wasting midwest that's
why you're a time wasting competition
okay let me ask you so it's all
posturing let me ask you what's up it's
very hard to hear you i don't know if
like um
you want to turn up your volume or
something but it's very hard to hear you
okay can you hear me i mean yeah which
is really quite especially when they're
both [Β __Β ] healthy yeah i'm going to
ask one of the questions that wasn't
answered to slozny how were industries
outdated he did ask you that question i
don't think we got an answer to so maybe
you can answer that
yeah so it's not that industries are
outdated because industries replies to
uh it's every part of the economy i
thought he was talking about just the
industrial uh workforce we're talking
about which means we don't have as much
of the industrial workforce today what's
the industrial works workforce
what are you referring to people that
are working people that are working in
like heavy industry people that are
working you think heavy industries are
outdated
if we're talking about a completely
economic analysis yes that yes we should
talk about wait you think
it's that we have so much more going on
in our economy is that if you just like
what the economy and an industrial focus
okay
like what i literally just went over
what do we have more
what more do we have going on that's way
more
i i already answered i literally just
didn't answer you never [Β __Β ] answered
it what more do we have going on besides
the heavy industries that outweighs the
heavy industries
well we we've completely expanded our
service industry and the digital
industry that we have it's complete
service and digital what is digital what
do both of those things rely upon still
so they both rely upon computers which
have to be physically made but they're
the the amount of income that they get
isn't mainly from their industry isn't
from their material oh you're talking
about government printing you're talking
about governments mainly from their
intellectuals yeah you're talking about
government fiat which isn't a [Β __Β ]
measure of the real economy of our
countries whatsoever you don't even know
what fiat means you can't even talk you
don't know what vietnam wait i don't
know what the other school is
i don't know
you're not prepared you're not prepared
for this conversation explain how i
don't know what yes
gold is a fiat currency too you don't
you don't know what it means because
you're not yeah
why is that a problem it's a fiat yeah
particularly by fiat most people mean
when the federal reserve prints money
that's not backed by a heart emergency
why is that an issue because it's not a
measure of the real economy
why do you think it's not a measure
because biden just printed like
trillions of dollars last year in the
real economy
do you want to know why they print that
money they don't just print that
i explained to you why you don't
understand why no no you don't
understand why you have no idea why
because it's not stop telling me hey hey
hey soy boy soy boy
soy soy soy soy don't tell me what i
don't know why don't you make an
argument why don't you make a falcon
argument why don't you actually make a
[Β __Β ] argument instead of saying what
i know and don't know
make a [Β __Β ] argument
make a [Β __Β ] argument unconscionable
a lot of fun when they're yelling like
you need to fix your mic or something
because that's kind of you're not gonna
be able to beat with them um
um yeah so that was fun all right uh
something about soy milk what was
happening
yeah he i i asked him uh to make an
argument all he says you don't know
anything about this prove it no i
already you didn't listen to any of the
arguments i made because you wanted to
respond you didn't make a single [Β __Β ]
argument you just want a posture
you're a bluff all you care about you
said you said i don't know what any of
the odd or any of this means and
that's not backed by a real currency
measure the real economy and i explained
it to you and then you went well why are
they no you don't explain it yes i did
explain it to you
because you don't understand why they do
that how do you know how do you know
one of the main reasons that we actually
expand our money supply is because our
population is continually increasing if
we don't expect the population has
always been increasing you dumbass the
population yes that's why we need more
money because deflation is a really
really bad we only started
we only got rid of your [Β __Β ] gold
standard in the 70s you dumb [Β __Β ] the
population has been expanding well yeah
i know and the current and the current
dollar is based on the peso dollars it's
not based on nothing
yeah it's based on a petrol dollar but
not formally speaking it's not oh my god
yeah you know if you want to know what's
going on with the price of oil okay
listen the petrol dollar is not real i
don't
because the [Β __Β ]
fake economy has been going up the green
line has been [Β __Β ] going up and the
real economy has actually been
stagnating you dumb [Β __Β ] it's that
[Β __Β ] simple say anything you didn't
address anything with actually the issue
is bluffing prove it prove it
methodically prove it get to the meat
potatoes
so yeah yeah so so the issue is that
you're actually not even talking about
me in potatoes you're not even talking
about gravy like you're all you're
saying you know you're not saying
anything no you're not saying anything
you're not saying because i've explained
i've actually explained it and you don't
want to say anything you didn't say
anything you don't want to listen you're
not saying you want to listen right now
you just said nothing you just are you
going to listen if i say something you
just said nothing right now you just
said nothing you just said nothing cool
cool you just said nothing you didn't
say cool you just said nothing so you
just said no
so all right you just said knock down
you just not you didn't
[Laughter]
oh you guys are fun all right so um
justin fired by the way
[Β __Β ] great replacement being replaced
fired
all right so let's see we had a super
chat from
can back wait why am i here myself echo
uh can back on dis can back on discord i
don't know uh serious and unironic
question for flozny is he gay um i'm
still hearing myself okay
i am not gay no
uh
positive meet yourself and see what
happens
testing hello nope not you still
here course i'm muted i stay muted
hello hello hi guys are you the guilty
one
no i'm still here
how's me mute it real quick
it might be um
hello
haas is the guilty one
all right let's go from um
headhunter
where does haas land on the political
spectrum
um i would say internationally i would
be considered left but in the united
states
left and right are not really meaningful
distinctions i don't think right now so
you know some people i would probably
just be a centrist here in the united
states i'm not really part of the
american left i don't think i agree i
agree with has on that the left and
right are not a meaningful distinction
in america we have a point of agreement
have you ever done one of the political
compass tests
yeah i didn't do a compass test i just
took a quick test and i skimmed through
it and it just gave me marxist leninist
did it yeah
all right so and then we have from we
need critical thinking question for
later um
who did flosney vote for and does he
consider himself a hypocrite
uh no i don't consider myself a
hypocrite i voted for uh biden even
though he's not perfect i mean trump was
the other option so
okay
let me see the ones that are coming in
now
uh from informationists brick can you
ask flosny how the marxist dialectic
process is enhancing the liberal
neo-marxist conditions of the working
class in the sarin con in the syrian
context of uh disarches
yeah it's not okay
um
john smith for infrared
uh
if you yell any child will they hear you
better
um
this is for the audience to be honest i
don't really care
okay
uh let me see what else we got
okay wait
uh from audio freak tell floss knee i
said thank you when he mentioned almond
milk i remember to put my milk away okay
all right
um you know i'm not seeing uh
all of the questions because we were
having to do a lot more since our
moderator decided to bail on us
[Β __Β ] justin
yeah yeah sucker from tucker wilson
question for haws can you please
elaborate to flozeny that england
[Β __Β ] invented liberalism i i think if
somebody is so illiterate that they
don't actually know that i don't think
they're in a position to be on the
internet showing their face and debating
anyone about anything
simple as that yeah so just real quick i
don't i don't think that look that oh
the idea modern liberalism didn't start
in uh
uh uk i'm not disputing that um but i
don't think that they gave their uh that
they were using their liberal ideas when
they were enslaving the bengalis or the
indians and everything oh yeah
of course liberalism has never been
tried
okay cool one good good one from the
other carl
and this the other carl is the one who
actually requested this debate um for
haws
will america collapse or secede in your
opinion
uh i don't know what that exactly means
but i could just say yes you know like i
don't know what you have in mind for
that but i do think we are headed for a
political crisis that in all likelihood
is going to radically transform the
united states of america as we know it
oh the other carl the color carl and
haas have made up that's cool
yeah i heard you guys had a fun little
debate
feisty apparently all right so from
wtf
h okay does fosney believe in labor
aristocracy
i don't know what that was i'd have to
read up on it
okay let's see if there's anything else
i can pull up
um
on that question that has on that
question that has got though um i don't
think that we're anywhere close to
seceding or breaking up or balkanizing
it wasn't foreign
brittany is that right if i answer that
question just real quick
thank you um
so uh so right now we're nothing like
the balkans it seems like they were much
more invested in their local uh
institutions for governance and in
america we seem to be much more
interested in our federal institutions
for government for whatever reason so i
think it's very unlikely
okay um question for both
what should be the primary issue
contention to focus on as we approach
2022.
uh it depends who we are but for me it's
building a third party specifically
paying attention to the people's party i
tell my people to join the communist
party usa but that's because i
ultimately believe the communist party
should be like trailing
you know and joining in with the
people's party as a popular front so
it's about building the people's party
and that's a party that i think doesn't
necessarily
have to be one ideology you can be
people from all over the political
spectrum should be getting behind
the people's party and that's what i
think
um so i don't think that uh uh i think
third parties are really really silly uh
in the united states mainly because our
primary system has hijacked them um i
wish that we had more options for third
parties and i think that um our primary
issue should really always be uh to try
to dismantle the primary structure to
dismantle the corporation of the
democratic national con committee and
the republican national committee um
those two institutions hold so much
power over our institution over um our
elections i think that disbanding those
should be the main thing other than that
though universal healthcare yeah so it
turns out who would have known for all
his talk he's just a democrat
i mean i vote for who's going to win you
know who i have a chance with voting
isn't an individual act voting is a
community
all that conflict
together
it all amounts to something very simple
vote for biden guys it's all simple as
that oh beautiful strawman again
um all right so from the other carl for
floznie why is biden's approval rating
so low right now voters oh there's a
there's a thousand reasons i think that
biden isn't a very strong uh candidate
um or president himself um i think he's
on pretty good legislation with what
he's had to work with um but we also
have a system that um gets you gridlock
if you don't have a strong majority in
congress with your party so because of
that we don't have a strong majority and
we're in this gridlock right now so part
of it's you know just the political
stagnation because not enough people
actually came out to vote for democrats
to put them in power so democracy oh so
excuse me so biden can really flex his
dick um but you know since we're left
where we are it makes sense that we're
going to be in this predicament
all right thank you for the super chat
sultan as i said frederick list mostly
made the argument that free trade was a
form of economic control by american or
the uk to enforce its hegemony what
would you say about this
which one's that for i don't know
oh do you want to take that one house or
do you want me to take that
um it's a hundred percent true we know
from history for example that the uk was
pushing the free trade system against
lincoln's protectionism around the civil
war
because the development of an
independent manufacturing and industrial
base in the united states would compete
with and hurt british energy so the
british were promoting free trade around
the world in order to flood countries
with their cheap goods the opium wars
was a great example of a liberal empire
in action it forced china to liberalize
so that the british could sell their
drugs
uh to china
so yes absolutely
i i agree with uh your analysis there
okay
um
all right so from person will philosophy
be satisfied when the liberal world
empire is providing the u.s maybe all
the pokemon
wants
i don't hear the person like who is
reading faster than me laughing because
they know what the end is coming all
right go ahead
yeah if pokemon are really cool um if we
could have him that'd be cool but uh
it's kind of slavery but they're also
like kind of digital things so like
maybe it's just an algorithm i don't
know what you have in your background or
something is that like a pokemon yeah
that's the uh that one there that's my
uh uh uh that that squirtle right there
that's my girlfriend's favorite uh
pokemon so yeah got it right behind me
all right
guys did you hear you had a girlfriend i
i just worked here yeah i have two kids
yeah yeah everyone needs to know that so
in case no one heard it
just reminding me
let's
why he rejects his ancestors by
advocating [Β __Β ] their communism and not
glorious baptism
i i don't uh
my family comes from lebanon so
and the bath in lebanon were mainly the
sunni right so i come from a shia
background so actually it's not
my tribal affiliation
okay
um let's see what else we have here
hold on it might be almost caught up i
don't know so we have so many different
like programs now going let's see if
there's anything on odyssey yo well
shout out to haas for that shout out you
gave us we are allies brother thank you
even though i don't agree with your
politics thank you for the shout out
absolutely no problem no problem
somebody sent that chosen that was so
nice
um all right thank you for the super
chat sultan dragon ball z is better than
pokemon nerds okay i i like dragon ball
z too
um
okay
so let me see what else we have
it might be okay wait
did i already oh okay again from the
other carl for floznie did you ever see
that south park episode that made fun of
pokemon
uh yeah i think when they were like
indoctrinating all the kids and
everything that was really funny they
were making the americans feel good for
having the big penis it was really funny
it was really funny i love south park um
zen shapiro i'm not reading that comment
and you behave okay so
um what else you can read it if you want
no i'm not if zen wants to be creeping
on me now we're not going to do that
he's
being bad
let me see i don't mind it at all you
know me i'm here yeah no spicy takes
literally the one thing you also said
like um
i made it i made a thing where like i
don't i'm not gonna read super chats if
they're talking about people's families
and stuff anymore um i did that to
destiny and i probably shouldn't have um
but i know he probably doesn't care but
it is probably something i shouldn't be
doing uh so keep it to people that can
defend themselves but floznie was
somebody who said he doesn't care if you
got if you do that i just don't want to
um i want to start you guys on the house
yeah this chat it's not the chat to do
that into yeah so um i don't care what
you guys write in in the chat i'm just
not going to read it on screen basically
um i think we might be
caught up i think they think um
i mean if you guys want to go into
closing statements and classes this is a
quick debate i guess how long are we
here only an hour
oh wait what is this um i guess i went
first so i'll go second for that
whatever
go ahead
my closing statement is that
this was not uh
really a debate in my view it was more
like somebody
basically someone with the mind of a
child
talking very fast about things
over which they have absolutely zero
grasp
and zero knowledge to the it stands to
this uh very
minute he did not address one
substantive point or rebuttal or
challenge
i gave to what he said all he did is
bluff about my level of knowledge of
things without even being able to prove
it
or demonstrate it in any capacity but i
will say as a closing remark on this
mentality on this question of liberal
empire i want people to keep an eye on
this
i this
mutation we see with these disillusioned
bernie supporters the direction that
they're going to
which is the advocacy for a kind of
outright liberal dictatorship overriding
american democracy
i think as we've seen the left in
america is extremely unpopular their
best bet
as of now is to align themselves with
silicon valley
deep state and the military-industrial
complex to impose their so-called ideals
on the population and that is what i
actually foresee i foresee a unity
between aoc
and the neoconservative wing of the
republican party so
flozny i would like to just denigrate
him as a complete clown
because after all he is a dumbass
granted but i think as a almost as a
comedy as a happenstance as a
coincidence he managed to as a dumbass
stumble his way
into a position that i do think is going
to have somewhat of some measure of
currency
in the future probably not on the terms
he foresees it and he envisions it
there's a lot of dumb people who forward
their unique eclectic ideologies because
these are discord debate andes who are
never actually pressed
on their positions in any scenario
besides impressing 14 year olds on the
internet but
uh just on its face value the rise of
liv this liberal dictatorship fantasy
that's something to keep an eye on
all right go ahead
all right so i really couldn't be more
pleased uh with that closing statement
from haaz i think it really just shows
his lack of engagement with the ideas
that we talked about here um i did a lot
of research for this you know a lot of
different uh empires throughout history
whether it's china whether it's the
roman empire whether it's what america
or britain's doing now we really didn't
get a chance to talk about that um we
didn't get to talk about the fact that
uh we are unifying more and more
globally and that is a trend that's
going to continue into the future um if
we do become you know a real
space-faring uh species then the idea of
having a an earthly uh communal um
civilization is only gonna become that
more apparent um and i think that that
is our natural trajectory um not just
because of that but uh but because of
all the unions that we do see building
up now um the main
a narrative that we have throughout
history is of people trying to fight off
their oppression by working together in
bigger bigger cooperatives to fight off
that oppression and i'd see the empire
just as an extension of that biggest um
cooperative so uh haas has really just
um reduced himself to uh nothing but ad
hominems this whole debate really um i
thought we were really going to be able
to talk about the issues but i'm not
expected or i didn't really expect much
from
you know somebody who's five nine who
doesn't understand that you can't pee
out your butt so this is where we are um
liberal imperialism wins again is elon
musk going to take us to space and is it
elon musk
is it elon musk going to take us to
space
no i think that'll probably be the
liberal empire so hold on what's the pia
of the bot thing you said that twice
what is that in reference to
i have an idea what was what thing i'm
sorry you broke up first what's the p
out of the butt thing in reference to is
that something your girlfriend
talks about or
well it was it was a question that you
asked because you don't understand that
women have three holes below oh you mean
like you mean you mean the rhetorical
question
no no i mean i mean like you're you're
even more pathetic than i thought wow
okay well it was fun wait wait can you
does your girlfriend talk to you about
how many holes she has do you watch her
pee or something or
well well typically like i can finger in
her [Β __Β ] while she squirts in my mouth
so i can see the two holes so oh she
pees on yes saying she pees on you well
she squirts she's squirts i like
squirting i think it's pretty your
girlfriend pees on your face is what
you're saying
you're giving swag
didn't it didn't true true wait didn't
you say one time that you you didn't
like to make girls come or you didn't
want to make girls come unless it was to
make other girls brag about it yeah that
way
yeah i stand by that
oh my god oh my god oh man you i feel so
bad for you man i really do man i i hope
that you find some confidence man you
don't you don't you're not supposed to
drink pee i hope you know that
so i hope you spit it off
oh okay okay hey listen man i like when
girls squirt if you've never made a girl
squirt
i promise there's a whole new world out
there for you buddy i mean
i'm talking about squirting if you don't
know that there's a difference i mean
that's that's on you man
obviously you've ever made a girl
oh my god this is so bad but you're
talking do you realize you're not making
yourself look good because you don't
understand women like i love when
women's scripture it's awesome but
you're talking about girls like it's
really sad talking about you're in right
now talking about you're in
it's not here it's not just your mother
there's a lot of stuff in there
okay so yeah i like one girl
um you've got a dude that likes to make
girls square that's what you just and i
can't make girls square unfortunately
you can't but that's all right you're
trying to do an own it's not going to
work here because most people like one
girl hold on
let me ask you a genuine question that's
fun genuine question i don't actually
know you what's up
but if she got to know me who do you
think she would prefer between me and
you
oh she doesn't take guys under six foot
so you would not be oh oh really sorry
you sure about that true
well
so are you actually confident in that
she's not
yeah yeah she's not interested in guys
that are under six foot because she
she's pretty tall she's 5 10 so she
likes to look up to a guy yeah how tall
are you like unironically that's just
her type i'm six foot you're six foot
i'm six foot tall so you're two inches
taller than her
uh yep so when she wears high heels
you're so when she wears high heels
you're the beta basically
i'm i missed a super is this is this
really aren't you five nine like isn't
that yeah that's all you are and like
you want to talk about you're saying she
prefers yeah we got a late super chat
you're saying she prefers men who are
taller than her and when she wears high
heels she's thought you're not taller
than her
well no no actually that's not what i
said you again you you have a real
problem with this you said your first
men over six foot i said she prefers me
because she wants them to you she wants
to be able to have them look down on her
but you can't do that when she's wearing
high heels nope i didn't say look down
on her you really don't listen well yes
it looked good to me you did it
no you you don't understand there's a
difference there yeah what was the new
one what's going on huh are you getting
a question are you going to twitchcon
because i want to actually
see if you're confident
i'm not going so you you think you're
six you're six foot i don't even know
you think that in real life you would
impose a presence upon me next to me
dude
is this the way that you think do you
think like about like going up to men
like imposing a present like yeah would
you have a presence would you have a
presence amidst me would you like stand
out i i promise i would not be concerned
with you at all if we were at a place
together like you wouldn't you wouldn't
phase me okay
but here's what i think i think your
girlfriend would
okay i promise you she's not interested
in five nine short dudes well she can
decide that
she won't be interested in you but okay
well we'll see if she decides
he won't you won't see she's not i i
i
she's not your property she can speak
for herself she isn't my property no she
can speak for herself but i'm not going
to twitch con i'm definitely not ever
going to hang out with you like i don't
want to hang out with you dude i'm sorry
well i i just think i just really i just
think you're trying to you just seem
really insecure i just think you're
trying to control your girlfriend a
little too much
okay okay
we have a new super chat that came in
and i think it's for both of both
parties right britain
you're muted woman
you know
every [Β __Β ] time every time as you
should be right oh no all right so jan
said uh to both speakers what aspect of
the u.s system could be exported when
the us people do
not themselves enjoy any stability where
is the thing that is worth copying
outside the us thank you for the super
chat by the way
well i think our rule of law is like
really really strong that's why we see
with the written house that it wasn't
done along political alliance it wasn't
like you know xi jinping just comes down
and says hey this is going to hurt the
giant communist party so we're going to
go one way or another with it um so i
think our rule of law is really good
that's a lot of stability which is why
people come here because they want that
stable economy that they can make money
in um but we have a lot of work to do i
mean we don't have universal healthcare
like we don't even guarantee our people
internet access or uh uh housing so i
think that we should talk about china's
legal system since you're an expert on
it talk about china's legal system and
its rule of law
what was that since you're an expert on
china's legal system uh can you prove
you have any knowledge i didn't say i'm
an expert i didn't say i'm an idiot you
know what's how the rule of law works in
china right
well i know i know that the rule of law
is always subservient to the communist
party in china and that that's why
they're on all the human rights
violations um i really oh yeah one other
thing not anybody if anybody looks out
if real real quick i would just say if
anybody like wants to know like more
about like what china does um though the
weaker human rights project is a really
good uh resource
do you um okay
do you think that the rule of law in the
united states trumps the national
security interest of the deep state
do i think that the rule of law in the
united states yeah trumps this is not
subservient i don't think it's
subservient to anything i i don't
do i think that the rule uh well it can
be substantial in certain instances but
uh what we've seen it doesn't tend to
because
we actually have one of the most stable
we have one of the most stable legal
systems around the world yeah but we
don't in practice actually have a rule
of law
no yes yes we do we have a very strong
rule of law yes we do judges rule
not based on some airtight formal rule
of law but very much on pathological
whoever said
no nobody said that rule of law was
airtight you're not you're already so
you just say that in china it's
subservient to the interest of the party
it's the same thing in the united states
except we lie about it no it's no it's
not at all no it's not at all it's not
even close to that
really well then how come trump wasn't
able to try hillary why wasn't why
wasn't trump able to try hillary for
anything but xi jinping can put any of
his political opponents away
because they he found them guilty of
breaking the laws of china for
corruption are you denying no no no
because he found them guilty of
corruption which is institutionalized in
the way that the chinese government
works really well you know that you know
the level of corruption in the party
before and after xi jinping xi jinping
clamped down on corruption so severely
that it's not even comparable anymore
you don't think there was anything are
you denying that's one of the things
that he says but that's not actually
true can you prove it
any statistics or data if if you if you
want to if you want to have another
debate all about china's human rights
violations we can talk about no i want
to talk about the anti-corruption
campaign which you saying wasn't if you
want to if you want to have a debate if
you want to have a debate about like the
levels of corruption in china yeah we
can set up so so the anti-corruption
campaign was just g consolidating power
it wasn't actually about corruption if i
have you guys no it wasn't just
no no there were multiple reasons that
went into if you want to have a whole
debate on china we can do a whole debate
on youtube okay so you can see you're
gonna surrender accepted your
girlfriend's watching see this this is
this and the rendering is really
interesting because you're hungry this
is your whole thing
exactly this is your whole thing yeah
focused just on like the way that it
presents and the way that like surrender
accepted you don't actually care you
don't actually trade
when you keep trying when you submit it
you keep trying to beta beta data beta
interrupt because
when you submitted to your alpha your
girlfriend saw that
your girlfriend saw it
your girlfriend saw you submit to me
your girlfriend saw you submit to me
she's watching she saw you submit to me
i'm the alpha you're the baby
your girlfriend saw it your girlfriend
saw it why are you so concerned why are
you so concerned with this alpha beta
dynamic like are you are you really that
your girlfriend's concerned with it i
guarantee you i guarantee you your
girlfriend's concerned with it
it's nature
i promise you she's not i guarantee you
she's concerned
girls who had boyfriends i know beetles
when i see them and you are a baby wow
yeah wow you've been with a girlfriend
with a boyfriend oh my god listen dude
yeah
and you sound you seem like the
boyfriend to me you seem like the
boyfriend
you remind me of the boyfriend you have
to pass her you have to posture your
masculinity instead of like having an
argument on the subject is very weird to
me but you're the one who kept bringing
up that friend
she notices your beta behavior
what are you talking about trust me you
don't want to trust me she can tell
trust me you again again you keep
bringing trust me bring it up can't make
a girl squirt trust me
trust me
and you didn't talk about where you
talked about p you weren't talking about
squirt you were talking about p
oh tell me the difference between p and
squirt has what's the difference but you
were talking about p you mentioned p in
the beginning what's the difference
between i asked you if you watch your
girlfriend p and you said yes
n squared okay we can roll back the
glutes the difference between p and
squared we can roll back pink and square
square only has a circle
square only has a certain percentage of
p it does have a percentage of p though
uh okay so then i said she squared on my
face i didn't say she peed on my face so
i don't know what you're talking about
but good one good one yeah but he did
say p you did say you could attempt you
did say p nope nope
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do you care about any of the arguments
do you care about any of the arguments i
asked you you're the one who keeps
bringing up squirtle and you just care
about
you're the one who keeps bringing up
your pokemon squirtle but anyway listen
listen you brought up your pokemon
listen listen we're actually talking
about chinese
r kelly listen r kelly you're deflecting
r kelly listen you couldn't actually
talk about character kelly that's
actually r kelly listen r kelly listen
just make sure she's of age
she's older than me so
okay r kelly because you know
you do have a track record
so i believe i can fly
i believe i could touch the sky you okay
floss me
so
um a question for haws uh it broke up
for a second
what's that
question for haas does he consider
himself a social conservative yeah more
or less yeah
and then
from
i don't even know how to say that but uh
uh oh now i get it squirtled
okay
um we are okay guys we are going to be
having our pop on during the chat right
after this i'm going to do a new stream
for it so um we'll get that going
and
uh we'll talk about the kyle written
house what are your thoughts on that um
um
i think it's being used to divide people
although i i don't really have an issue
with the verdict at all but i do think
it's people who are over invested in it
on either side are being whipped up into
a whole bunch of nothing
but that's just my view
divide and conquer tactics yeah
i yeah i am definitely uh in support of
it i mean it was clearly self-defense by
like every single thing and i'm really
happy that uh in america that if you you
know defend yourself with a firearm that
you don't just get uh thrown in jail
with it um somebody said bring flossing
to the zerko's royale i'm down tell
zerger to have me on i'll jump on there
let's do it
oh my goodness all right so um i guess
we can probably shut this one down and
we will start a new stream in a little
bit probably about
yeah we'll probably do it before the 20
minutes but um yeah i think thank you
guys both for coming on the poll is up
in our community section so you guys can
go vote on who you think won um and we
will be back in a few for our pop-on
drinking chat so
all right thanks for having me on guys
bye-bye thanks bro see you later all
right good night guys thanks guys
thanks for watching
uh anytime
that was a lot of fun
okay let me put this back here
turn on my camera
properties
that was so [Β __Β ] annoying dude
what is wrong with my [Β __Β ] camera now
huh
oh
is it out
now what's wrong with it man
activate activate
damn bro that dude was [Β __Β ] annoying
i was not in the mood guys i was not in
the mood today
i was not in the mood dealing with that
[Β __Β ]
i was not in the mood dealing with that
[Β __Β ]
i mean and then and i'm really wondering
like confederation all these [Β __Β ]
discord people who just [Β __Β ]
have these like
all-encompassing totalizing [Β __Β ]
visions are all [Β __Β ] so annoying
thank you so much jenna i appreciate you
latto thank you so much
appreciate you a ton latto thank you
so guys did you know the communist party
responded to me
oh no
should we call should we react to it
let's let's go on the reddit first i'm
gonna grab myself uh protein
and i just came back from a wedding guys
i just came back from a [Β __Β ] wedding
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so guys
i spent today working out
i went to a wedding
and i was so tired the whole time i was
[Β __Β ]
exhausted and i gotta go trim my beard
at a barber
and i got a tan i gotta i'm gonna go to
a tanning salon pretty sure
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i'm gonna tell y'all what
i'ma clean up
i'ma clean up good you understand i'm
gonna get a haircut i'm gonna trim my
beard i'm gonna whatever clean up
that would be good you know what i mean
i need
i'm having a baby any day now
should i go back to bosnia and raise it
depends on if you got money if you got
money to live in bosnia yes if you don't
then don't
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we got a durham operations banger
we got a durham operations banger
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djk thank you so much man
appreciate you man thank you
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minecraft [Β __Β ] minecraft
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turn down the game turn down the gain
i'll i'll level your volume up turn the
game the game is in the front the game
calm down what's going on he's using
webcam mic they're saying
you're using webcam mic dude
yeah i know i know i'm trying to [Β __Β ]
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these dumbasses don't know
anything
and so many of the [Β __Β ] things that i
heard from them like the criticisms last
night
oh this is one of the speakers academics
teachers social workers engineers
managers nurses and netflix writers are
not working class oh he's still talking
about the general strike
the academics side is like classic okay
that's like classic [Β __Β ] fascist
posturing
classic
fascist posturing according to assad
classic fascist pastor
that's national point goes on that's
fascism talking about like launching
something that could literally put you
in jail people in the past who have
tried to execute general strikes have
gone to jail do not do not ever think
about a general strike oh i'm not i'm
totally not cia don't even try to
conceive of a general strike do not even
consider a dollar strike general strike
very scary very very much no no no stay
away from a general strike
the list american government will
not allow you to organize something like
that they will literally kill you they
will throw you in [Β __Β ] jail they will
do everything but you also have things
where nurses are refusing vaccine
mandates
and all of a sudden nurses suck then
right so it's all based on which classes
are more going to be able to be
brainwashed and to be buying into their
[Β __Β ] ideology
i don't know if this is going to be tos
saying you're saying hey
mcdonald's workers guess what you're a
human being and you're an american you
don't deserve to [Β __Β ] work these
shitty jobs let's get some real jobs
back to americans let's cook the working
day let's get some universal [Β __Β ]
income and let's allow us to live
dignified human lives and limitless
economic playing field
we are on the rise we are riding as a
lord we're coming to take over and
comfort
and conquer the communist party
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and they will literally kill you [Β __Β ]
the dsa they will throw you in [Β __Β ]
jail
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did you know that a general strike
literally halts the entire economy
people are not buying and exchanging
goods as they normally used to be
anymore during a period of a national
general strike
you don't go to the grocery store to buy
your food because your [Β __Β ] grocery
workers are on strike too so everything
comes to your health
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you're not ordering hooper eats in
doordash during a general strike it is
something that fundamentally arrests and
stops the economy and immediately
creates a circumstance of political
crisis that must be immediately
addressed by the government that's why
they don't get prolonged
oh this is a german operations video
the federal government fears the
emergence of real class consciousness i
call upon all collectives to spread the
sentiment of a general strike this is a
message to himself
expect us
people in the past
who have tried to execute general
strikes
have gone to jail
did okay [Β __Β ] do to deserve
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gonna just put some clothes on the wash
let's just put some clothes in the wash
i'll be right back guys it's gonna take
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what is this
i did not i do not remember joining
any facebook
group that subscribes to that ideology i
would what is this what is this about
what is this
never knowingly join any such group
there is no record of me ever actually
dude that's it i'm a style what what is
this
person who is this person
what is this
scenario
she's from soviet kazakhstan what is
this about honest now straight up dude
yes that oh my god reading this i'm like
i would liter i purged that [Β __Β ]
gulag straight up i would i would send
him and seven gen he's accusing her of
being a commie
oh economist person being nominated by
biden
she's questioned on being a calm small
member wow
oh
is this based generations of his family
to siberia if i had a [Β __Β ] crumb of
power this is why who did the sun want
to purge i can't i can never be in power
oh my [Β __Β ] god i would literally i
would send him and all of his family
members to siberia
okay i put him on the [Β __Β ] train this
is an empty power fantasy
by a impotent
biden supporter
okay i got it
send their ass over there dude go work
in the [Β __Β ] mines
holy cute power fantasy and son holy
[Β __Β ] [Β __Β ]
he literally is just like still going
he's still like
i don't know i don't know if i should
call you commerce shut the [Β __Β ] up
shut the [Β __Β ] up
oh you know what i wanna
i'm gonna vet these videos now because
there's sus but
we're gonna watch one more big brain
thing
tomorrow we're going to cover the
communist party [Β __Β ] you know what i
mean we'll come back remind me to come
back to the subreddit tomorrow
i just want to watch funny videos
tonight can we watch this funny videos i
don't have the energy tonight
i don't have the energy
there's a question we're gonna watch
this guy's boring man
let's watch it we'll give it a chance
we've had for a very long time if the
donors here will watch this vid now
whenever he gets here we're going to
watch
and it has to do with this map
this is a map of the 18 states in the
u.s where democrats control the
legislative and executive branches or
else have some veto proof majority in
the legislature democrats in dc often
blame the g channel 5 will watch
tomorrow
tonight's a late night stream and we're
just gonna
gop for foiling their progressive listen
guys
is this video going to show january 6th
it always has to right
shut the [Β __Β ] up and do not tell me what
to watch
shut the [Β __Β ] up you boring [Β __Β ]
do not tell me to watch kings and
generals i'm not a [Β __Β ] nerd like you
i'm not watching history [Β __Β ] i am
[Β __Β ] about to go to sleep thinking
about that idea it's so [Β __Β ] boring
to me do not [Β __Β ] tell me what to
watch i already know what content i have
lined up and leave it at that
i know what i want to watch and we're
going to watch what i want to watch
you understand
vision when middle-class families see
their taxes go up they'll know
republicans are to blame but if you zoom
into these 18 states there's effectively
no republicans standing in the way so my
question is what do democrats actually
do when
i used to hate this guy
they have all the power
to answer this question i teamed up with
the times editorial board writer binya
applebaum okay you got my attention he's
been thinking about and writing books
about and reporting on this topic for
decades i think you know americans tend
to view politics as a competition of us
versus them and they tend to think that
if they would just
get out of the way
then we can do the things that we want
to do there is no them standing in the
way there's just the we of democrats and
their supporters and they get to decide
what policy should look like in those
states and that is an opportunity for
them to implement their vision for this
story i also delved into this giant
document it is the 2020 democratic party
platform if you want to really
understand what democrats say they want
all right fine this guy's he's good
looking okay he's got good hair and he's
got a good face and i don't know why i
hated him but
i still don't trust him
i still don't trust this [Β __Β ] guy you
know
but he gets my approval
he can date
one of my ex-girlfriends
but he can date the one i don't like
what their vision is for america it's
found inside of this document this
document serves as a guide as we zoom
into these states to answer this
question
what do democrats really do when they
have all the power nearly 554 000
homeless people from the 25 oh we spread
cia propaganda
what an
[Β __Β ] five wealthiest americans
never mind
stay away from my ex-girlfriends dude
paying little in income taxes compared
to their fortunes sometimes nothing at
all we cannot in good faith blame the
republican party when house democrats
have a majority there's still very
intense segregation happening in all
kinds of forms all over
this country
okay so let's start with california to
me california
is like the quintessential liberal state
from the state legislature to the whole
executive branch to most of the big
cities dems hold majority control so
what do they do with all this power
looking at california you have to look
at housing okay now wait listen when i
hear the words housing policy i tend to
sort of doze off but benya insists that
housing policy and what is happening in
california is definitely worth looking
at you cannot say that you are against
inequality in america unless you are
willing he's an ex-mormon
to have affordable housing built in your
neighborhood i don't care that he's an
ex-mormon i don't even know why the [Β __Β ]
that's relevant right and democrats
completely agree here in this document
the word housing is mentioned over a
hundred times the neighborhood where
you're born has a huge influence
you know mormons
are good looking because they have
spiritual values
and it just makes them look good
on the rest of your
life children who are born in
neighborhoods with degraded
environmental conditions with a lack of
access to high quality public you know i
can hook up with mormon girls
you know i can hook up with mormon girls
i don't know who the [Β __Β ] told me this
i can hook up with mormon girls
but
what we do is that we just
hook like she climbs on top of me or
whatever
and
someone jumps on the bed
i can't thrust myself
and she can't ride me
but the external environment can
yeah and it's completely fine so i can
hook up mormon girls are allowed to hook
up with me mormon women
are allowed to hook up with me a muslim
man
services poor schools poor public
transit are at a and
let me tell you mormon girls
i'm gonna tell you what
from what i've seen
they're doing something right permanent
disadvantage and they even say verbatim
housing in america should be stable
accessible safe healthy this is satanic
come here guys i'm going to tell you a
secret i'm going to tell you a secret
if you have any
relationship life
that's not marrying the love of your
life
you're having a satanic life
you understand
that's the truth
be energy efficient and above all
affordable housing is a human right
housing is a human right the rent is
going through the roof
housing is a human there is one woman in
my life
who i would have married
it didn't work out well it didn't work
out well so what do you want me to do
guys what do you want to do
how does california do when it comes to
housing you know where those signs are
when you drive into a state it says
welcome to california they might as well
replace them with signs that say keep
out because in california the cost of
housing is so high that for many people
it's simply unaffordable the state has
simply for the most part stopped
building housing i mean there are cranes
there's housing going up but it has
slowed down over time
really really sharply and it is nowhere
near sufficient to keep pace with
california's population so what you have
is is not enough housing and too many
people try
one more person tells me to change title
and i'm gonna ban 25 people from my
chat trying to get it and the inevitable
result is that prices have gone up up
and away the median price of a home in
san diego county is now a staggering 830
thousand dollars
all around california there are cities
full of people who say that they are
progressive they're liberals they
believe in a more equal america a more
diverse america they show up to the
marches they put in the lawn signs about
everyone being equal but at the same
time they're actively fighting to keep
their neighborhoods looking like this
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so
that looks good
what's wrong with that
i actually like how this looks
i like this
why is it disgusting what's wrong with
this
what is wrong with this it looks good
i
the [Β __Β ] what is wrong with i want this
it says waste of space how
i want my own lawn in my own house
this is a pmc hellhole how
this looks like michigan dude
this looks like
what are you talking about that's how
michigan is too
should have apartments and low-income
section 8 housing
they're not letting new houses be built
you want for me man
okay wait but that doesn't look so bad
it's just a bunch of houses in a
neighborhood that's what i'm saying
right no it turns out that they [Β __Β ] you
this is actually the result of specific
policies intentional policies that keeps
these neighborhoods spread out and full
of single family homes as opposed to
higher density buildings like duplexes
or apartment complexes this
so
this is a real serious fight and you can
so you want us all to have to share a
building right that's what you're saying
i don't want to share a building i'm
going to i'm the truth listen i'm here
in america we don't do this sharing
thing that well i'm going to be honest
we americans
want to have our own home
and get a glimpse into it by looking at
a zoning map yes we're looking at a
municipal zoning map of palo alto
california don't i don't want to share a
[Β __Β ] building
with liberals
and move out of the city i don't live in
the city [Β __Β ]
i don't even think cities should be a
thing
we should
move people out of cities and into
countrysides where they
can have families and
what's the point of cities cities are
stupid dude nobody should live in a
[Β __Β ] city
[Β __Β ] cities dude
leave yet this is really where it sinks
in so just stick around so everything on
this map that is yellow is zoned for
single homes cities suck ass
like this and this one family can live
here but here in palo alto there are a
lot of new jobs this is a desirable
place to live for new opportunities over
the past eight years the san francisco
it's all just about liberals you want to
live in big cities so area has added 676
000 jobs but only 176 000 housing units
so
a few years ago the city council voted
to change the zoning of one section of
the city right here
specifically this two acre plot of land
they wanted to change it from low
density housing to higher density
housing so that they could build a 60
unit affordable housing complex for
elderly members of the community okay so
they changed the zoning start building
the 60 unit complex no the
overwhelmingly liberal residents of palo
alto decided to hold a vote to overturn
the decision to revert it back to
low-density single-family housing
i mean
i
mean that is kulak behavior
by the liberals
but
i don't know if i trust this angle
because i feel like they're just trying
to spread
anti-single housing propaganda for
blackrock
you know what i'm saying
i don't trust the new york times
i feel like they're just trying to
[Β __Β ] spread
anti-single housing propaganda
to yellow and it passed and the zoning
was overturned so now when you go to
this plot of land instead of an
affordable housing complex for the
elderly what you're gonna see is this a
row of just a few houses all of them
massive and worth around five million
dollars each what the [Β __Β ]
five million
for that
then how are the elderly gonna afford
those [Β __Β ] what is it a million a
piece for the elderly ones
the [Β __Β ] is this
i think people aren't living their
values you go to these meetings in these
neighborhoods where they're talking
about a new housing project and it's
always the same song and it goes like
this
i am very in favor of affordable housing
we need more of it in this community
however i have some concerns about this
project we have the hearts to do this
but we're doing it wrong and we're
dictating
and harm onto the neighborhoods and then
off we go with the concerns and then
nothing ever gets built this is
happening all over california and the
result is that these neighborhoods are
so expensive that they keep anyone out
who isn't a part of this small group of
super rich residents many of whom bought
their properties decades ago and who
spend their time fighting vigorously to
keep the value of their real estate
assets super high if you want to keep
palo alto
what is your land reform strategy
i just want some head right now not
gonna lie
the kind of neighborhood and community
that we all treasure
low intensity low density safe for kids
to walk to school you've got to vote
against measure d there's a an aspect of
sort of of greed here and and of uh you
know nervousness about actually sharing
those opportunities
let's go to another liberal bastion up
here in washington state
the democratic party talks about
taxation saying that our tax code has
been quote rigged against the american
people democrats all the time are
decrying the fact that tax cuts are
going to the wealthiest americans it is
time for a wealth tax in america
democrats believe in a progressive tax
system where
our suburbs are stupid costly and
alienating
you'd sort out to build tram suburbs
what's a tram suburb dude and first of
all
i believe in cars i do believe in cars
i believe in cars okay
i believe in the american car
and family because here's the thing
well [Β __Β ] all the [Β __Β ] lefty libs who
hate cars i like public transport i hate
cars shut the [Β __Β ] up dude
you're just that's just un-american
sorry this is america america's of the
land of cars
no [Β __Β ]
you for saying [Β __Β ] cars not everyone
wants to live in a [Β __Β ] city and be
stuck in a city somewhere where you're
gonna control our transportation
[Β __Β ] cities
every combination disagrees with you
well this is america every [Β __Β ]
it's it's america's a different [Β __Β ]
country dude it's a different country
the nature of this country is different
than other countries we don't have we're
not a collectivistic country do you
understand what this country is this
country is an enterprise it's a the new
world we're here
we're [Β __Β ] bunch of we're all cowboys
here dude we're not
we don't live in a communal country you
understand
public transport sucks
the rich pay a larger share of their
income than the poor this is like the
most basic policy vision of like a
progressive
land reform means
devalue cities we need to devalue cities
cities are too valued we need to devalue
them take the jobs out of cities take
the capital out of cities
invest back in the country book the
cities that's what i'm saying
movement it's front and center in
democrats policy platform but if you go
and look at washington state what you
find is that in washington state if you
look at the state and local taxes that
people pay there less affluent families
pay a much larger share of their income
in taxes than the wealthiest residents
of washington state
uh
would you guys forgive me
if i just ended stream
right now
would you forgive me
could you forgive me
people like bill gates and jeff bezos
i'm so tired guys
those two of the state's most famous and
wealthy residents i just wanna
sleep
students are in i'll be here tomorrow
guys tomorrow eight hour stream tomorrow
eight hour stream
tomorrow eight hour stream tomorrow a
auto stream
i had a long day guys shut the [Β __Β ] up
long day today i had like a [Β __Β ]
hell of a day guys
i had a long day okay
see you tomorrow when i have
energy
do you remember
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the days when we all were together
and we spent our time
with one and another
instead of being
should we raid this girl again
look we've raided her too much
he's online
uh
froggen did not attend the debate
raid
broken
straight froggin
[Β __Β ] it
everyone left
okay bye guys