DESTROYING VAUSH [2021-12-04]

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tonight you are gonna witness for this

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and this is going on the youtube too

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from the airfield

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this one's going on the youtube guys

this one's going on the youtube

the fat ass challenged me again uh

hiding behind his own stream remember

this fat [ __ ] still refuses to debate me

um still running away from a debate

keep that in

always mind

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okay so some background information

right

um

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so i was browsing twitch

and so as it happens valsh was covering

my debate with uh

that hakee guy right

and he covered the whole thing right

and uh he was talking all this [ __ ]

about me saying all this [ __ ]

commentating on the debate in an

extremely dishonest well what do you

expect he's a fat lying [ __ ] [ __ ]

but

i'm gonna demonstrate to you

i've done this before but it's so easy

to just [ __ ] on vouch it's so easy to

[ __ ] dunk on this dumb [ __ ] fat

[ __ ] dumbass right

but we're gonna do it anyway right

because uh

i guess some things are in need of

clarification

i can't stand looking at this [ __ ]

disgusting job of the hud just sick

[ __ ]

absolute [ __ ]

bottom of the barrel scum of society

malformed looking [ __ ]

right but we're gonna have to today

we're gonna have to commit to doing that

because i'm gonna defend myself

and i want to preface this so you guys

have the background knowledge of the

fact

that the fat [ __ ] coward vows

to this very day

is running from debating me he doesn't

want to debate me i've ambushed him once

and i gave him ptsd he learned from that

yeah i'm not somebody you want to [ __ ]

with bosh i make you look like a dumb

[ __ ] if you debate me one-on-one

and he knows that right

uh he's been avoiding any kind of

confrontation with me he's been on the

run right i caught him once

he said hulk could do the emmy i dm'd

him and

no show right

he is absolutely terrified of me but did

he spend so much time out of context

talking about me

i want there's some ogs in this chat

right it wasn't really that long ago

when infrared was nothing we were just

what 20 people

it wasn't so long ago

and i remember ambushing bosch and

boston you know what no free clown i'm

not giving he said i'm not giving a guy

any clown and you watch him die off

watch him die off you gotta get he's

gonna have no clout

and he just keeps talking about me now

because

i'm continuing to grow in relevance and

significance right like infrared is a

thing it's a thing now right

boss said that if he doesn't give me

attention

i'm just going to become irrelevant that

hasn't happened

actually the the inverse is happening

bosch's metrics his stats are plummeting

and they're not just slowing they're

actually going down

right

this guy's becoming irrelevant

and one of the main reasons why uh

boss is becoming irrelevant is because

even the the main the bread tube is dead

bread tubes [ __ ] dead already right

they're all moving and becoming ml's now

right

they're becoming a fake type of ml but

that's the move now that's like the new

orientation is becoming ml

uh breadth done the end of an era

and we moved on to a new one but

you know i really find it interesting

that this fat ass is commenting on my uh

hockey debate

as if people like him or his audience

fit anywhere in the equation of why i

would go and debate hockey i've i've

turned my back on you lefties right i've

turned my back on you right

you have nothing to do with this

i am

reaching out to the people you left

behind right

and obviously hake himself is a dumb

[ __ ] he's just some random dumbass but

he commands

a big enough audience

for him to be relevant in some capacity

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it's not about hake it's about his

audience those are the people i'm

speaking to

you lefties have nothing to do with this

you i you are dead to me like i don't

consider you even

a thing you're not even existing to me

right

you're yesterday's news there's no

future for you there's absolutely no

[ __ ] future for you where you left

these right

what do you have to do with this

like as if i'm participating in a

discourse with you when i'm debating

hakee and i'm i'm in your discourse no

you are dead to me you are absolutely

[ __ ] nothing you are nothing

you are less than nothing

you're not relevant you're not

politically relevant you have no

potential you have no potential in you

you have no significance you have no

you don't fit anywhere in a strategy of

reviving a communist movement in this

country you don't fit anywhere in that

your discourse shove it up your ass

you know

i'm not part of your discourse i'm not

part of your little community i'm

actually participating

uh

in the kind of discourse that ordinary

regular americans

find

themselves capable of purchase debating

in as a communist i'm going in the ring

as a communist alone

i don't have your little discourse

behind my back and and i'm speaking on

behalf of you guys [ __ ] you guys

i'm

reviving communism from scratch

right as a

thing so it's really weird when these

people are are commenting on this debate

when it's like what do you you guys have

nothing to do with it right

you're not my audience you're not the

intended audience

you're not the people i'm trying to to

speak to or have a dialogue with or

conversation with you don't figure

anywhere in that you may as well not

exist at all you may as well just

disappear and there would be no

difference right

but in all their narcissism

they think it's about them and they

think it's about their discourse so that

how's the saying something no no you're

you're dead to me you're nothing i i am

acting as if you didn't even exist right

because you basically don't politically

but you still make it about yourself

somehow right

you still somehow managed to make it

about yourself you are politically dead

you are politically dead you have no

future politically

in this country

just like how i said bread tube has no

future and what do you know breadtube's

a dead thing now right what does bread

do tell me what bread tube is now

concert points she doesn't even make

videos

anymore really she makes one video a

year and she she's taking the money and

she's running with it making one video a

year then what else is there

can someone explain to me what bread

tube is

the dgg

the

dgg do you call them

the house of dgg

has overtaken these these lefties right

uh some of the bread two people got

banned off twitch

right thought slime he's a nobody

oh the serfs they're big on twitter not

much else

all their stats have completely declined

like drastically declined

so brett dude's dead it's a dead

phenomenon

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um all that's left is vouch right

but vash is hated by the left that's the

thing

pouch right now may as well be a uh

a right winger

he is not welcome by the american left

they all [ __ ] hate that guy that fat

[ __ ]

right

but it's interesting that you know

all the american leftists hate vouch

they hate him they hate that [ __ ] guy

so he's not relevant in the left anymore

so bret tube's dead right it's a dead

thing

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yeah the right obviously doesn't want

him either so what's left for vows

i'll tell you what's left faush is

cornered from all sides he's in circle

and he's worse than us

because while we have every political

faction against us we also have a lot of

people sympathetic to us a political

people

uh conservatives whatever they're very

we're we have that pipeline in place we

have a very working pipeline in place

to win those people over

vouch is isolated he can't win anyone

over

and the whole of the left hates him

vosh's whole stick has been leveraging

the power of the left in this country to

win over the neo-nazis from fortune and

all neo-nazis you can still preserve

your white supremacy and your white

purity yes we're superior to all those

brown and black people whatever with our

liberalism and our freedoms we just want

to give you more freedom like the right

to comb and unlimited access to uh

fat chicks or whatever i don't know what

he's saying right but

and and uh furries and stuff right

whatever

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so he bribed the right wingers by sent

by with uh

with sex with the promise of sex right

you can be poly unlimited uh

satisfaction

and gratification

no limits

so he won over the most degenerate scum

the most dishonorable degenerate scum

from the right wing

those were the people he was able to win

over

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for a time

that pipeline is over it's shut down

because brett cube's dead so he's not

winning those people over anymore

and i guess they realize that

you know being a leftist doesn't

actually get you [ __ ] and i'm telling

you guys the truth right now

you don't want to hear this i'll tell

you the truth

you're way more likely to get [ __ ] as a

right-winger than a leftist

just telling you the truth i'm a leftist

dude by the way

i'm a real leftist but in this country

[ __ ] don't like leftist men

all the [ __ ] you like that are

leftists

they're with mega guys right wingers

don't believe me

find out yourself the hard way

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a lot of guys become leopards to get

liberal [ __ ] they don't get [ __ ] they

don't get any [ __ ] the most they get

the most they get

is they become

the support friend

that's bribed with some [ __ ] in an

exclusive relationship right but you're

not really treated as a man in that

relationship

and you're very much whipped and you

don't wear the pants in that

relationship by the way and she's

cheating on you right that's what

leftist men get

you be like a little [ __ ] a little beta

a friend

and maybe she'll [ __ ] you once like

every three months

but that's it right that's what left

this leftist men get telling you the

truth

everything i've ever gotten as a matter

of fact

was because of my conservative muslim

background

i've never gotten any being a leftist

though the most disgusting repulsive

thing to women is a male leftist 1 000

it's the conservative muslim side of me

or arab whatever you want to call it

side of me that women liked right that i

had

anything with it's never the the leftist

[ __ ]

hey i'm a communist i'm a leftist

no do a political people get [ __ ] yeah

yeah they do

absolutely they do

as a matter of fact the more political

you are the less likely you're getting

any you know that's the truth

as it should be for god's sake as it

should be

imagine using your [ __ ] politics as a

as a as a replacement for your

personalities you know but that's what

left is due

hassan is the ultimate cope

because he's the one like exception

but even he's slid off right after years

of being poisoned by it

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you're not going to be the turkish model

hassan okay

i'm sorry i don't know why that's giving

so many leftist dudes hope that if they

become leftists they're gonna get [ __ ]

no dude you're not gonna be like a son i

promise

look

unless you look like hassan and you

literally are a sex icon like asanas

just just physically like when you take

instagram pictures and [ __ ] you gotta

have game and guess what hassan has no

game he's got no game at all the dude

has zero zero game

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he's literally like a mannequin right

he's got none so unless you look like a

sign you gotta have game

and and there's no one who's a no

leftist man's got game i'm telling you

the truth

you don't want to hear this [ __ ] i'm

telling you the truth

i'm telling you the truth

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trust me please trust me

a lot of these girls they're leftists in

public

and you'd think you'd think they would

hate

they would hate a guy like me

you'd think they would hate a guy like

me right

or even more right a right winger

whatever

you'd think they hate that right

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if only you knew

if only you knew

for god's sake if only you [ __ ] knew

you guys think i'm joking right now how

many of you think i'm joking or i'm like

i'm like i'm using rhetoric or something

like i'm telling you the [ __ ] truth

i'm trying to help you and i'm telling

you the truth

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so anyway the point being

bosh is worse he's in a worse position

than us

yeah he's bigger than us right now

but his pipeline to grow an audience is

completely shut off right

he's not pulling anything from lefties

they all hate him and he's not any

longer pulling anything from right

wingers

i'm getting way more uh

right wingers way more

way way more way way more

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way more

and more political people i'm getting

more apolitical people because of my uh

charm charisma and i'm getting more

right wingers right

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is

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are you finished destroying we haven't

even begun

we haven't be gone we have not begun

matter of fact let's just get right into

it

and you're getting the theory nerds as

well yeah let's get right into it

wash the fat ass

hold on

why is this always so difficult

i think when we have a discussion uh

about

the over putting a overall historical

verdict on judging the legacy of

communism i do agree that when we're

talking about communism we do have to

talk about what that actually meant in

reality so this idea that you know

communism has never been tried or it

wasn't true communism bro it doesn't

actually reflect the real thing

i think we don't have to that's not

something that has to be in dispute we

can all agree that communism

specifically in the 20th century refers

to a phenomena that begins with the

soviet union continuing through

countries like china

um other countries

in uh the world outside of europe in

america

and the eastern bloc and so on and so on

legacy of capital c communist movements

uh within uh the united states

and western europe and so on so i think

there's no dispute about the fact that

communism does have to refer to the you

know the thing that actually projects

the name into relevance and significance

in the first place

and to me

uh when you begin from there you have to

have a very honest and sober assessment

of the the record and the facts at hand

now the experience of communism was

obviously very bloody it was obviously

uh something that was fraught with

catastrophes to say the least economic

catastrophes uh famines um moments of

political terror and so on and so on but

we should have a more broader uh

investigation and criticism of whether

this is specifically because of

communism rather than so i want you to

understand the angle i was coming at

with with hawk right i don't give a [ __ ]

about hawk personally whatever how do

you ever say hey personally

um

i don't know the guy i don't i didn't

even know who that guy was right but

from from what i can see

and this is something i'm going to keep

returning to right

um

as far as his audience is concerned

yeah it would be easy for me to go hard

on hock and you know call him a beta and

and you know go hard on him like i did

with the cans cup guy and go full

genghis khan or whatever

but

what good would that do

like this is a guy who thrives off of

polarization right

and it's not that i'm trying to

extinguish all polarization it's just

i'm trying to

um re-ground the polarization right

sure i could just be extremely combative

and hostile to the guy or i could be

very respectful and be a human being

and not be affected by his provocations

and i think that would end up in the

eyes of his audience making me look a

lot better in the eyes of undecided

people as well making me look a lot

better and objectively that is actually

what happened i kept my cool the whole

time i was very reasonable

and it was so beautiful because we were

able to end it with

this guy hawk is a psycho see this is

how it works with lefties when they go

into these debates with conservatives

they go full psychopath first so then it

becomes a question do i want to be a

normal person or do i want to be this

psycho right

bomba duke shut the [ __ ] up or you're

banned forever

shut the [ __ ] up or i perma-ban you in

my chat i've seen that comment the

50th time now shut the [ __ ] up or i

perma-banned you okay

anyway

um yeah i could go full cycle but

then

normal people would side with hawk now

how did i actually end the debate

if you want to agree with hawk you have

to be pro-slavery you have to say

slavery wasn't bad

yeah sorry that's not a normal position

in america okay so

you know what i mean

it's not a normal position so

he ended up looking very unreasonable

and ridiculous

and i ended up looking very sensible and

normal right

so

optically that was a major w for me

right but

um

the reason i don't want to upload it to

the youtube is because i prefer it to be

a video that's only in the enemy

territory i don't want to use it to rile

up my audience

because what are we doing we're beating

a dead horse by you know being riled up

against hawk or right wingers that's

that's really why i tend not to uh

focus on the fight against right wingers

as far as my audience is concerned

it because what's the point those are

the people we have to win over because

like i told you we are not going to win

leftists

we're not going to win over leftists

right

um that pipeline is shut off so those

are the only people we can draw from

those people and apolitical people who

might be sympathetic to their ideas and

remember apolitical people go with a

normal and reasonable person the reason

people overwhelmingly side with jordan

peterson over that whatever

channel four whatever that that woman

was was not because they're they're

inherently right-wing and they have that

right-wing ideological constructs that

are influencing their mind no it's

because peterson appeared like the

sensible normal one and she appeared way

out of left field right

so

you know

i don't know i mean

i would understand the criticism if it

wasn't working but it is working so

where does your criticism come from if

what i'm doing is actually working

and it's actually effective it's like

proven to be effective it's what's grown

me as as big as it has

like

i don't know what

what is the criticism then really you

know

but it's not really that i'm

it's it's not even so much that like i'm

just i'm just hiding my real views to

win over the right wingers these are my

real views i'm wearing them on my sleeve

right it's just you have to pick and

choose your battles you have to choose

what the hill you want to die on choose

your battles do you begin with the

assumption that all of these half of the

country all of these conservatives are

just bad people to the core right or

they just have a dogmatic fixation on

bad ideas for some reason to the core or

are they actually inherently good people

or decent normal people and that this is

mostly a miscommunication that the

establishment and the elites most of all

thrive on the off of right well it's

pretty clear that the latter is the case

fifty percent of people in this country

are not evil horrible people

the whole thing is a stupid

miscommunication

that ultimately benefits the ruling

elites right why does the why do the

so-called uh blue dog democrats get away

with being able to

you know hold up

things like the infrastructure bill

because they claim to represent well we

want to want to be reasonable to the

conservatives

this whole game of polarization this

whole conflict in the united states only

serves the ruling class they're using

the conservatives as an excuse to hold

up something that would otherwise be

overwhelmingly popular with those same

conservatives right it's a [ __ ] game

this is why an idealist point of view by

the way the idea that all political

conflict in the united states is about

clashing ideas serves the interests of

the ruling class if it's just a matter

of ideas then it's set conservatives

have the right wing ideas democrats have

the left-wing ideas and ideas cannot be

uh

there are distinctions in between ideas

right those that can't really be bridged

idea is an idea a is a right

but if it's not based it's not about

ideas and it's about material interests

then all you need is the correct

ideas and the correct speech and the

correct manners of expression in order

to unite material interests so material

interests can be united

and can overcome ideological differences

but if you think that the differences

are based on ideology

then how are you going to overcome

ideological differences you can't right

only only a materialist could believe

that

material reality is more fundamental

than you know ideas and ideologies

a feature of modernity as such because

the modernization of let's say even the

western uh capitalist countries and the

world at large uh fits the same pattern

that we saw if not [ __ ] worse

actually

in the case of comedy there we go okay

i've said this before

with um with infrared um and this is i

guess like it's really embarrassing that

a lot of people didn't understand this

when first listening to him but

uh i infrared's main strategy as an

interlocutor is not understanding what

any words mean

so he he does he he it's funnily enough

like he he does almost the sam harris

kind of thing

what

why do why do like uh

why do these like anglo-saxon i don't

know what they're the analytic

philosophy people i don't know where the

background is coming from why do they

always insist on making it about

language instead of the content of the

language it's like you are so dogmatic

about how you use words that you

couldn't possibly

entertain the idea that words can be

used in ways that don't fit your

preconceived

uh world view

like this is where the lazy fat ass

walsh is

he's basically saying

let's say val said the sky is um the sky

is purple and you said no the sky is

blue

and he said you are you don't understand

what words mean

no we actually just disagree about the

substantive content

involving those words it's not that i

don't know what the sky is

it's that you are fundamentally wrong

when you say that the sky is purple i'm

saying it's blue

so can you engage with the content of my

speech instead of focusing on language

or no well he can't because

he thinks words i guess he thinks the

meaning of words is pegged

to his um dogmas and prejudices that he

has that the burden of him still remains

on to prove the validity of he hasn't

proven why his use of words is more

correct than mine he just thinks it's

self-evident because he's a fat lazy

[ __ ] much in the same way he thinks

his body is is just self-evident he

could just sit on his chair all day and

he won't become a job of the vows right

he's just content with that

or the jordan peterson kind of thing

where he will

express absolute [ __ ] nonsense

the biggest way to bluff thank you

frieza s-u-n-g-o-r-i-l

thank you frieza the biggest way to

bluff and and cop out of

um having your ideas challenged by

someone is just saying that what they're

saying is meaningless because if you say

it's just meaningless

you know

that is a complete

uh just it's just a complete barrier to

any communication it's a complete

barrier to any discourse you're just

saying nope it's meaningless and then

you can contend yourself with your

prejudices and ideas about the world

being correct it's a way to shut off any

criticism basically right it's a cop-out

but it's also a bluff right because

he's making it seem like the reason he's

saying it's meaningless

um

is because there's no meaning in it

rather than

were i to engage this it would seriously

upset and challenge my preconceived

um notions of what the world is and its

history and how it works and so on and

so on right so it's a bluff it's like

entertain for a moment that there's some

meaning to what i'm saying

but you hold your own doing that could

you survive doing that could you debate

me pray tell no you [ __ ] couldn't so

you say it's meaningless

um to save yourself to save your sen

limited sense of meaning from ever being

scrutinized right

um

but with like cycling through words that

sound vaguely

marxian

um but but he he understands the

language as well as a person who doesn't

speak english who's pantomiming the

sounds they've heard on tv you know

okay can you prove it can you prove you

know anything about marxism every single

thing i've ever heard you say about

marxism has no spaces in any

marxist text everything you've ever said

about marx is nowhere to be found in

anything marx ever wrote so

can you

what do you what can you prove what

you're saying can you back it up

substantively like

what you're just gonna say it's

meaningless is it really that easy you

fat lazy [ __ ]

what if i just said what you said right

now is meaningless welsh what you just

said is meaningless there's no meaning

you're just using words you're just

using words i'm sorry bosh i didn't

understand what you said you're just

using leftist words but it has no

meaning is this really the epitome of

[ __ ]

criticism is this really vaush like

challenging me or something like this is

what i'm up against this is just easy

the prerequisites to the agricultural

and industrial modernization of the

non-communist world uh required in an

immense level of um by the way what i

said is actually like very much

it's very lucid right what i said was

all of the horrors we associate with

communism are common to the

historical phenomena of modernization

even in the west

all modernization

shares in common

these characteristics of you know famine

and whatever and and terror and so on

that was what i was saying now if you

disagree with that you can try to

challenge it on the basis of the content

of what i said but can you really sit

here and say what i said is meaningless

i actually challenge any vows supporter

who may be lurking in my chat

can you actually

sustain the perspective that what i said

there was meaningless and that it was

just it was just using words that

sounded marxist but there was no meaning

to them they're just using words and

mimicking words really there's no like

meaningful pattern or rhyme or rhythm to

what i said at all can you really

sustain that perspective

you couldn't

you absolutely could not

famines uh social instability terror

unrest um colonialism slavery and so on

and so on

these are all things that aren't um that

can't be brushed to the side when we're

evaluating um how modernization takes

place

uh historically so to me you have to

place communism within that context of

this question of pre-modern and largely

agrarian societies confronting and

trying to persevere through this

challenge of modernity and to me uh

modernity specifically in the form of

agricultural modernization somehow

historically inevitably leads to this

kind of um chaos

and in the way the foundation of economy

what is he talking about who knows

did you guys find it hard to follow i

mean you guys are just random chatters

this is a content creator with 400 000

views who postures as some like debate

lord intellectual titan and he he can't

parse and follow what i was saying

guys i want you to

understand how like ominous this really

is

and this is something that's going to be

a recurring theme throughout this entire

video that we're going to watch right

which may take the whole stream who

knows

but

when you realize that i'm a guy right

now i only got 14 000 followers on

twitch i only have

the 12

000 subscribers on youtube

wait i'm actually right though right

isn't that a bit ominous like shouldn't

i be wrong

like if he's right

if he's wrong but he's the one who has

way more subscribers than me

and i imagine twitch followers as well

it's like do you know how foreboding it

is that he's this incorrect and his uh

analysis of me like you know how like

how ominous that is even for me as the

guy who benefits from it it's still a

bit like

wow take it easy it's like i didn't know

i was the chosen one and i'm gonna be

have like what 2 million subscribers or

something like chill you know

like this is a guy who's like wait he

has a way bigger audience than me he's

just like this wrong how how can that

happen right

it's actually kind of uh

it's a bit unsettling that a guy could

be this stupid

and actually have this big of an

audience like and i'm not even saying

this in like a combative

rhetorical way like i'm speaking from a

neutral impartial objective point of

view this is genuinely a stupid fat [ __ ]

this is genuinely a stupid guy who is

just does not knowledgeable on like the

bare minimum of marxism 101 or history

101 like genuinely a stupid [ __ ] guy

it actually feels like idiocracy you

know an idiocracy when you're looking

around and it's like you know people who

who who you don't expect to be stupid

actually are really

like

like actual stupid [ __ ] people are in

like in power or something it's like

wait what

i feel like a genius right now is this

is it this is this it

this is the vows

this is the debate lord val she's super

intellectual and smart

what world am i [ __ ] living on you

know this is actually a dumb guy

that means agriculture's um

is preserved right so this is obviously

something fraught with several you know

small mistakes can lead to catastrophic

outcomes but at the very least we can

say that these mistakes were on record

things that communist states learn from

uh after they were made very quickly

already lost there's nothing to be lost

about guys you're not you're not lost

okay you're trying to find a path

through a bowl of spaghettios okay hold

on hate and infra are are both wait what

what the [ __ ] are you talking about it's

like

how how has i said not lucid you can try

and disagree with it and challenge what

i said but what kind of fat [ __ ] just

says it's meaningless you can try if you

don't agree with it you can try and

challenge what i said but how much of a

[ __ ] [ __ ] do you have to be to

posture with the pretense that what i

said has no meaning either you're so

fundamentally uneducated

that's just not familiar with any of

those like fifth grade level words i was

using

or you're a fat [ __ ] who's just too

scared to venture into uncharted

territory discursively

i think it's a combination of both

both um phenomenal characters so i have

no doubt as time

passes you know this will go back and

forth hey for what it's worth though i

don't actually think that infra is

stupid um take is very very dumb like

just very unintelligent you know just a

just a baseline level so

we'll see how that how the interplay you

know comes about clearly i should act

and when you don't only look at the

negatives that are mostly mass

publicized as a result of cold war

anti-communist propaganda and uh and

elsewhere you have to also have a fair

and sober assessment of the overwhelming

achievements of communist parties and

leading their respective peoples uh

to a position a social position far

superior uh to them before whether in

the realm of literacy acculturation and

medicine um access to a bare minimum of

a standard of living a basic dignified

means of livelihood a kind of guarantee

of a job so on its own obviously this

came to a certain limit in crisis in the

1970s where this primary standard of

living was no longer enough um to

support the wants and desires and that's

how it will happen in communist states

following this i think we can retrace

and reevaluate the original significance

of communism in order to now address and

put into a new light the challenges that

we now face today which our current

liberal order seems to be unable to you

know i i went in this not knowing who

hake was i had no [ __ ] idea who this

guy was right so this is something i

would say to

any critic of communism who's a right

winger i would just that that's what i

would open with i didn't know who hake

was i had no [ __ ] idea what the guy

was right when i realized this guy's

like um

he appeals to a more lower common

denominator of of audience i immediately

adapted to that right why would i suck

myself off and like be this like

profound intellectual when that's not

the audience i'm dealing with right if

you're dealing with a

simpler audience to be polite about it

you should dumb your arguments down and

be as simple and put

put your

um

put what you're trying to say in words

that they'll be able to understand right

you shouldn't

what good would it do for me to like

posture be like hey don't [ __ ] they're

just you know what they'll be like

they'll be like this is just another

satanic

lefty who's a cruel you know

unreasonable person

who benefits from that he benefits from

that ultimately right because

jake

is the guy who benefits from

polarization that's how he makes money

right that's what he how he makes a

living

but you have to ask the question is like

how is he able to draw otherwise

reasonable and normal people in right

because

well

he's able to do it

because there are grains of truth into

in the things that he says right that

people

find intuitively sensible and reasonable

um to deal with we're facing a fourth

industrial revolution we're facing an

economic transition not uh dissimilar to

the one that communists were addressing

namely the one from pre uh modern

agrarian societies to industrial

societies now we're in a situation of

industrial societies transitioning into

an era of smart cities and you know more

internet things though leftovers

decentralization

and i think that communism has a new

newfound significance uh in this regard

so i think i'll just uh end it there

whoa thank you very much that opening

statement infrared want to let you know

folks if you first time here at modern

day we are thrilled to have you here no

matter what walk of life you are from

and we are also thrilled to have here

james hague thanks so much for being

with us the floor is all yours for your

opening statement as well well thank you

and thanks to haas infrared for

coming on as well this was today was my

introduction to eyes and infrared with a

or he i think they believe i think he's

a marxist leninist and leninist

communist what is interesting to me

about him is that he does not appear as

rapidly anti-white anti-christian

anti-man as the typical communists that

i think of that i run into

i don't know looking around america like

the democrats the black lives matter

people the mainstream media types and i

saw a video where he said you can be

patriotic and and nationalist as well as

communists but i might take on power

atheistic at its root you have to be an

atheist to be a communist was one quote

from a thing imagine like being a

disgusting slimy fat [ __ ] who's like oh

oh you're finding common ground with

people in this country oh you're making

communism more palatable to people how

you're like

this is an objective w the fact that i'm

able to initiate this conversation and

get an audience with these people

is just an accomplishment in and of

itself right

sure you could stay in your your bread

to degenerate echo chamber where all of

the you know

the

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what do you call them

is this word allowed

what do you call it the the runt of the

litter

whatever you call that

just the the ugly disgusting people

stupid people of our society that you

know

stupid yet

entitled that spread to you can stay in

that echo chamber

you're not going to get anywhere

politically in this country and you want

to talk about clout and flex that and

[ __ ] well the right

just blows you out of the water in terms

of clout vows that's why you have to sit

on your stream and [ __ ] about joe rogan

who dwarfs you right

um in terms of their reach i mean any

one single instagram post

of theirs

will gain more it has more engagement

than the sum total of everything you've

ever [ __ ] produced on the internet

combined probably right so

i don't know why people like are

intimidated or feel like they have to

respect leftists even if you have 000

subscribers in the grand scheme of

things that's nothing compared to the

right the right is still

you know they have the lion's share of

attention on the internet

and that's not because big tech is in

favor of them quite the on the contrary

big tech

works against those people and and

despite that they're popular right so

what does that tell you

famous communist i think i've heard

promoting the insane idea of equality

which is not an ideal nor is it true the

serpent told eve in the garden of eden

that you can be equal with god and

that's a lie and feminist communists

have sought to be people with men and

it's just been a big mess since then

communism seems to be against men and

against nature it's

around in america is ought to render the

men unnecessary to the women and to the

children and it's it does not mind as he

said famine abortion yeah he says this

true

well speak for yourself vaush i mean

some of us are men i know you like to

use male privilege without being a man

but you just use male privilege in our

society right but you're not actually a

man you don't actually pay for it in any

way right

um

speak for yourself you're absolutely a

repulsive degenerate absolute like

you make people sick to their stomach

just by looking at you your your

ideology reflects on you

i mean you are an idiot i don't know

that i would characterize you as a man

i bet your girl would i guarantee you

any woman you've ever been interested in

your life

would see more man in me than they ever

would in you and i'll put money on that

by the way i'll actually put money on

that

do you think i'm joking by the way when

i say that you think i'm joking by the

way when i say that like all of the

women in your community your leftist

community

actually do express and show interest in

me

you don't know that right

i'm not kidding i'm not kidding about

that it's like the men in your community

the men the boys in your community hate

me but and and publicly a lot of women

from your side of the aisle hate me but

then in private it's like a different

story in private who if only you knew

it's like if only you knew in private

you know it's way different

but

i really don't even like you know i'm

not really interested but that's just

the truth from your side like the ones

you converse with and talk to about

politics on the internet right

those are the ones in my dms

and those are the ones

i i'm not gonna say anything i'm not

gonna say anything force vaccination in

the name of you know against healthy

individuals who are not at high risk

from diseases that don't threaten them

it's a violation of individuals they

don't find an uh violation of

individuals rights for the so-called

collective the greater good

uh it pushes the lives of they care

about individuals the communist unions

seek to persuade the angry so-called

workers to go up against and subvert the

the bosses who envisioned started build

and led the businesses that gave them

the jobs and the communism the

communists sometimes pretend to be

friends and want mutual benefit for

everyone and some of them sincerely feel

that way but in the end it's a phony

thing the best intentions are the road

to hell as you already know communists

don't mind lying stealing and killing to

get their way many others do too dennis

bragger said words and ideas are more

important for uh see you you have to

understand what infrared vision is

do you think what hake says

i don't care what he says when he says

this [ __ ] for vows this is the arena of

struggle now a is a i i don't give a

[ __ ] dude i i don't see i don't see it

that way when you i'm just saying he's

mouthing off about a bunch of

ideological [ __ ] and it's that's not

the meat and potatoes to me right

i don't know do you have to be like well

versed in psychoanalysis to know this

that the real meat and potatoes of what

people are saying is not premised on the

terms of rationality

um implied like if you're if you're if

your chain of reasoning is all

communists are bad people because

they're murderers right and then i break

this down to you and i go oh but we're

not murderers you're not actually

getting to the root cause of why they

said that

you guys ha

let me give this to you as a form of

relationship advice you guys want the

relationship advice because a lot of

times your girl is gonna say [ __ ] to you

complaining right

she's gonna be like

uh [ __ ] she's gonna be like oh you were

talking she's gonna be jealous or

something oh you were you were you uh

you're following someone or whatever on

instagram right

they're just going to say something

unreasonable and then you're going to

explain to them

rationally why they're wrong

you think they're going to be satisfied

do you think they're going to be

satisfied

you're going to rationally explain to

them why they are wrong

that's not going to satisfy them because

the source is deeper

it's deeper than what they're saying

it's always deeper you understand and

the same thing is true

in politics the reason why people

are have anti-communist views isn't

because they subscribe to

dogmas about the nature of communism

it's a much more fundamental

web of associations right and i don't

really think you have to be well versed

in psychoanalysis to understand that

but for a fat dumbass like vows he

thinks that stuff matters he thinks

that's what matters oh hack said

something against communism what is hans

gonna say haaz is not

going to worry about it because it's not

what matters right

i don't know

it's just really common sense

intellectual which is the same thing as

a communist or liberal as then actions

in reality so it's partly why the

straight talking nazis are much more

maligned than the sweet talking

communists which the mainstream media is

you know they have a hand or two

basically in america i think we have

what's called what i call common

capitalism because amazon google

facebook all these are embedded with the

government they support black lives like

he vosh can't help but

pay attention to what he's saying here

like deeply like what do you mean kami

capitalism why would you say that why

don't you try to actually entertain what

he means

but vosh doesn't actually know how to um

interpret meaning

in in

in an open sense like you could not put

valsha

in a

non-simulated environment he will not be

able to parse out the actual meaning of

what people try to convey

vos is a very limited sense of what

meaning is

right and it's very mechanical and i

don't know what that is or what what

that means

um where that pathology comes from but

that's just the type of person that

vouch is

for him

i'm not even saying this is like an

ideological prejudice maybe

he just was always like that right

because i've known a lot of people who

are like that

um but for them

meaning is

all meaning is wholly contained

on the explicit and conscious

terms of what meaning is right if i say

the meaning of a is a then a is a and

there's nothing deeper right if i say

for example uh

well communism is bad because

uh

it promotes the idea of absolute

equality right

that doesn't actually address what the

person is trying to say the more

fundamental like what is the web of

associations implied in that term in

real life it's like well they're

thinking of for example

all of their small homes being taken

away their car being taken away then

being reduced to the level of problem

you know you have to deal with

when you deal with the uh

objective web of associations right

you're dealing with a type of wilderness

of meaning that's not there's no ga

there's no like

already implied guarantee of meaning you

have so you have to do like work

mentally to just

try and feel out where they're coming

from that's something vajs cannot do

for him everything is just at the

surface level as far as language is

concerned there's nothing deeper

whatsoever

lives matter antifa just destruction of

the country they support the mass

immigration that's that's changing the

face of the country is like the ideas

the the surface level ideas of what he's

saying are so irrational illogical and

wrong but you haven't gotten to the root

source of why he's saying what he's

saying right at that level you have to

do things like a class analysis you have

to have a materialist analysis

and then how you talk to people like

this has to be informed and cognizant of

that

but vos doesn't understand that that

distinction that there's two levels to

this there's the one level where you

understand

in a materialist sense what this means

the second level being how do you

respond and how do you articulate this

in order to participate in that meaning

right he doesn't know how to do that

vos will crucify you

he will crucify you

on the cross

of definitions and explicit you know

propositional logic and anglo-box [ __ ]

but he actually won't get to the core to

the heart of where you're coming from

right

values of the country they support the

communist shutdowns in the name of the

virus that we have that has just

destroyed their competition or destroyed

the businesses and just meanwhile

they've made mass profits uh

that means more power for them as well

as for the government in america we're

already a socialist country you don't

own your own land or property you don't

have a right to contract for work with

workers to pay them just one or two

dollars an hour if they want to work

that you know be an usher or whatever

we've lost a lot of jobs in that way you

have wealth redistribution which is

really more like ghetto redistribution

through progressive attacks and social

programs and affirmative action all

these things you have the harsh hand of

lock lock coming down on innocence so

walsh hears this and he's terrified

those ideas are a contrast to my ideas

the way i work is i parse out what is he

trying to say what's the source of this

what what is meaningful here and what's

what's the meat and potatoes right

i don't know a lot of people just can't

operate on my level they just always

like

they just get allergic to when people

say things that are ideologically

opposed to them and they don't know how

to have the patience of saying like okay

but why do they want to die on this hill

it's all about what hill you want to die

on and why what is really the hill you

want to die on is the hill conservatives

want to die on dogmas about the things

that they're saying or is there

something more fundamental that can be

parsed out right

capital protesters because their

communism seeks to divide and conquer

the whites against the people of color

the people really really hear what's

going to say the blacks

and it's overwhelming the systems the um

in order to destroy them and rebuild

their image through immigration you see

the border is just being destroyed

you know i noticed dylan burns was a lot

more uh generous to me here and the

reason for that is because dylan burns

comes from a

conservative family i think right

but vosh is literally a beverly hills

lib

he comes from beverly hills from

hollywood family

so vash has no sympathy in his heart

whatsoever

for human beings that

are on the other side of the aisle as

him because he doesn't consider them

human right

to destroy and exploit the crisis and

then rebuild in their image the

government and the media or just filled

in my view with communists from joe

biden and common harris to to nikki

haley and even perhaps greg abbott over

in texas i don't see capitalism the

opposite of communism i see that really

as good versus evil so i see capitalism

as just as many communists do as a

stepping stone to communism because

when in capitalism it's like he's

laughing uh jokes on you vows what he's

saying

commands

authority to a lot of people right what

do you say it's like who's laughing you

know what

why is this fat ass [ __ ] laughing can

anyone explain why the fat [ __ ] is

laughing

who is really laughing in this scenario

the people winning right now

as evidenced by the most recent election

like in virginia etc where the

republicans are just

wiping the floor with the democrats and

conservatives are on the rise in this

country

republicans are there's going to be a

red wave in in the midterms like who's

really laughing you dumb fat [ __ ] for

all you're laughing

you're losing you dumb ass so maybe you

want to rethink how you're approaching

this you can laugh all you want vosh but

you're not going to be able to address

the root cause of why people find this

[ __ ] meaningful

right and people do find it meaningful

and that's why i call people like vaush

that's why i see the future of fascism

and people like this because the only

way the only way the fat [ __ ]

vows is gonna be able to cope

with this future

is by adopting an increasingly like

anti-democratic stance oh we gotta limit

voting rights we have to crack down on

people australia's style we need more

january 6

uh investigations and more crackdowns

and you know we have to use the military

and police power of the state to

suppress the people we have to get

behind big tax censorship like this is

where vasha's coming from because that's

his only last resort he is unable to

create any bridge

with the majority of working people in

this country whatsoever so he will have

to increasingly find and take refuge

behind the ruling class and the

repressive mechanisms of the state

that will be used against the people

do well hey that's funny that's also

what marx believed marx also thought

capitalism was a stepping stone to

communism that's oh wait hold on all

right

um

you are literally a dumbass vosh you're

actually a dumbass

marx thought so objectively

like in terms of the mode of production

but politically speaking no

capitalism does morph into socialism in

the form of monopolies and so on and so

on

but that doesn't mean the political

superstructure

is

going to adjust to that right doesn't

mean the political superstructure

becomes socialist

that's where the class struggle

gets waged right the class struggle gets

ways at the level of how society

is responding to this objective change

in the forces of production

do we have have we a dialectic

materialist in our you know actually

it's not true that marx dogmatic

dogmatically thought that

marx used several examples of countries

he believed did not have to pass through

a capitalist stage marx was not a

stageist

and we forget god you know the saying

goes tough times make strong make strong

man strong men make good oh my god good

times make mega weak mint and then weak

man make tough times oh my god wait hold

on i'm sorry so you guys know how

recently i talked about that joe rogan

i just want to know like where does

valsha's like aristocratic arrogant

posturing really come from

when you actually square it with the

political situation in this country what

is he like laughing and so arrogant

about

does anyone know like what

what what what is behind this fostering

politically speaking

politically speaking

vosh's

side of the aisle

isn't even dignified to be the comrade

of america

it's bad enough to just be a democrat

right now

but you're worse than a democrat you're

a bret tube leftist what [ __ ] future

do you have in this country

what future do you have in this [ __ ]

country i don't get where you this

posturing comes from like who are your

people where who's your tribe what what

future do you have

you're declining for a reason

in terms of your metrics

but in actually on the ground like what

is your political future right

you're an anarcho whatever

what

what future do you have

in this country

what are you laughing about what are you

so arrogant about i don't get it

instagram posts and i talked about julia

vola briefly that like mega nazi i

actually saw some people on twitter

maulding saying that like i hadn't read

his theory and he wasn't actually like

actually he's like not really a fascist

and so on

yeah because you didn't

and because i'm an idiot i thought for a

second oh goodness i hope i didn't get

anything wrong so i look down the thread

and then i look at all the people making

these claims and yeah he's a nazi he

literally worked with the ss they they

were like he didn't think women were

worse than men he thought that women

were different than men okay evola

politically yes he was aligned with the

nazis okay

but in terms of his traditionalist

body of thinking

which i disagree with by the way

although i'm not allergic to it i would

i would be willing to admit that i'm i

agree with him if i did i just don't

right it's the same with like a lot of

others but in terms of his body of work

you can't reduce that to fascism

it's not like he was

the ideologist of nazism

and the the the crucial reason for that

is is that nazism is inherently

um tied to eugenics it's inherently tied

to biological racialism right

without that you don't have you don't

really don't have uh nazism in a

in any meaningful sense of the word

ebola represented the decaying

aristocracies

of europe specifically the ones that

were pretty much on their way to being

wiped out after world war one

different in that they can't vote or

participate in civic society outside of

childbearing but they're not worse

they're just you know like he he wasn't

a fascist when he was at that trial and

he called himself a super fascist that

was like a meme dude he what he was

saying was he was so fascist that he was

more fascist than the fashion no what he

was saying was that

he is so he is

he was being provocative because the the

people in the trial right

he considered them to be modern and

modernist enemies or whatever right

so he was like okay if you associate

fascism as your boogie man i'm even

worse than that right

i mean yes

it's not un

reasonable to associate evolo with

fascism i'm just saying

calling him a nazi

as if that's like the significance of

ebola

as far as like these schools of thought

is concerned now it doesn't work right

it's like

for example evola was not as far as i

remember he wasn't big on the

anti-semitism right

and i think that's a that's a you know

that's that's a detail that needs

consideration

he never said he was a supervisor i'm

just assuming boss is being factually

correct maybe he's a lying [ __ ] and he's

wrong

right

but

yeah i wouldn't really say

just the court uh prosecutor knew about

but that's not him being fascist like

like it was [ __ ] like that then i looked

and i saw like great brother accounts

and shows like okay i don't know why

even bothered reading through this [ __ ]

you know

evolve was wild man oh my god but you

didn't just say like oh he was

associated with the nazis and he had

involvement with fascists you went as

far as to say like that

he is more he's like

he's like more nazi than hitler or

whatever like you you said a lot of

stupid [ __ ] about ebola that people

called you out on because you were

[ __ ] wrong

right

you were like you're like oh this guy is

so

fascist and so right-wing it would make

hit hitler

blush and it's like no dude i mean

historically we associate hitler with

things like

his views on racial superiority the

holocaust

le ben's rom and you know

things the wars of aggression it's not

really

it that's not really the side of ebola

right that's not really what's up

evola's alley right as much as ebola may

have been sympathetic to the nazis and

the fascists because he viewed them as

the incarnation of you know some kind of

modern reaction

you can't have this simplistic analysis

you may as well not but

it's besides the point you shouldn't

even mention ebola that's the thing

there's no reason to mention him in the

context that you did

with with [ __ ] um

with joe rogan's [ __ ] instagram

picture that had nothing to do with

evolo

and moreover

the idea that evola is known for the

hard men create strong time whatever

like hard times great strongmen no dude

if like i said if anything it's the kali

yuga stuff that's associated with ebola

maybe you can you can make a case for

that

not this the [ __ ] meme about you know

hard times make strong man that's just

not

you don't need to be like an

intellectual to to think that's

true you know it's just like a meme

and that's when the communists like to

strike not every meme

not every simple meme has profound

intellectual origins sometimes the

profundity of a meme reflects the way it

makes sense of reality

it not everything has like a secret

origin that's in fact that's how a lot

of paranoid right-wingers think they

think everything has to have like a a

secret origin think about all the talk

of critical race theory and like

cultural marxism and stuff like do you

really have to like have this like you

know archival

uh eldridge

you know occult knowledge of cultural

marxism to be a blue hair

[ __ ] you know

sjw you don't right

you're reading too much into it

that's what vows does too though that's

also what vaj does but for the right

wing just in the same way right-wingers

read into [ __ ] and they think oh this is

because of the nefarious influence of

cultural marxism or the post or foucault

and post-modernism not everything has

intellectual origins right that's

idealism that's the [ __ ] crux of

idealism it's just this idea that

everything's origins have to be in some

kind of like

explicitly rendered idea from an

intellectual

so capitalism is supposed to be about

freedom but you can't have freedom i

think john adams said without morality

so freedom from is supposed to be

freedom from this degeneracy but they

push pornography and all that madness to

just subvert families

one douchebag is ready to debate

what does he want to debate about

and what's his name

what's his name

jax

okay give me a moment

okay we're gonna debate him right now

what do you want dumbass

yeah you're a little [ __ ]

what's your criticism

we're saying that jimmy

not mistaken i didn't say he was a

communist

you didn't

no

i i thought you told uh

you told hake that he

he was the the prototypical

what was it communist here in the u.s

yeah i said he's more similar to

communists in other countries in the us

if you want to find an example of people

in the u.s that represent what other

communists in other countries represent

jimmy dore is a good example of that

jimmy dore is a good example okay so

jimmy dore seems to be

uh going further and further to the

right

oh he's going further and further to the

right

so tell me what is this political

spectrum these are the type these are

the level arguments oh so so hold on

hold on

so wait wait wait no no we're gonna

parse that out hey shut your [ __ ] ass

up let's parse it off shut your [ __ ]

ass up so let's pass this out so he's

going further to the right what does

that mean objectively

his ideology is

moving away from what so what is the

right wing and what is the left wing

define those for me

define left and right wing yeah define

it

okay i'll just in simple terms i'll say

that

uh left wing is egalitarianism a

progressive ideals um okay attempting to

give more more freedoms and liberties to

people oh really and then hold on the

right wing would be

uh-huh go ahead more freedoms and

liberties is the left

so is the vaccine mandates does that

make people more free and have more

liberty than otherwise

overall yes

how is that

same thing with uh how your seat belt

laws overall protect society but on the

individual level restrict your

movement inside of your car i guess

that's what so what if whatever

right-wing fascist would say that

given the uh what in the long run and in

the bigger picture we actually give

people more freedom and liberty we just

attac we just repress people and we're

very authoritarian and we're strict

because it's in their best interests

how is that different

i'm sorry i didn't catch what you're

basically saying the vaccine mandates

are giving people more freedom and

liberty because ultimately they're in

the best interests of people right

yeah

well what if

you come from a right-wing fascist

perspective and you say the same thing

well my authoritarianism that wants to

supposedly clamp down on freedoms and

liberties actually what i'm doing is in

the best interests of people and

therefore maximizes their freedoms

within the range of their objective

potentials

right that's perfectly fine and that way

so it's it's later on it's fine

it's fine hold on point

it's fine

hold on hold on shut the [ __ ] up shut

the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up i just got

you i just got you saying something you

just said it's fine to consider a

right-wing fascist as a leftist isn't

that a bit paradoxical i did not do that

no

but you just said you said

let me let me get this straight you said

jimmy doors moving to the right and then

i asked you what define the right and to

find the left and you told me that the

left is defined

by more

freedoms and more liberties right

right and then you stop me from defining

the right

but hold on but jimmy dore is advocating

for more freedoms and liberties

specifically on the issues that you

accuse him of being a right winger in

regards to jimmy dore is more of

pro-free speech he's against the vaccine

mandates he's against all of these

lockdowns and authoritarian crackdowns

committed by the government so how can

you say he's moving toward the right

when by your own definition he's moving

more toward the left you see the issue

no

i i you're making you're construing

you're misconstruing what i'm saying or

trying to make the point being that

because he's against lockdowns which

ultimately or vaccine mandates with

which ultimately hurt

the population he is giving he is the he

is in the pos he has the position that

we have more liberties that is incorrect

if you are

less if you are if you are doing things

that first of all in my opinion he's

doing it because he's grifting but if

he's doing things that are going to harm

the overall population then since he's

doing that he is infringing on the

liberties of the population

so okay

how does a population hold on you're not

talking about the liberties and freedom

of the population as agents you're

treating them as a bunch of flock of

sheep that you know what's going on

is right that's what stop signs and and

traffic laws are but stop signs and

traffic stop signs and traffic laws are

in place on the basis of a mandate of

from the people that's that's treating

people like sheep no it's not about the

people themselves consent to those

things the people right now are not

consenting to the vaccine mandates and

lockdowns

they are not acting in their sovereign

capacity in a way that approves of those

things quite on the contrary you as an

individual don't matter you are in a

democracy okay you're not you're in a

representative democracy and this

representative democracy you vote for

your representatives and they do the

laws for you okay

yeah but no one absolutely is that why

the constituencies of these democrats in

places like new york are overwhelmingly

coming out in protest against vaccine

mandates

i don't know if they are or not i mean

you don't know what they are because

you're not informed obviously they are

looking at i'm looking at australia

recently i haven't been looking at new

york but the thing is i can tell you

that if we had

the the type of people that would have

implemented the right or would have

taken the right decisions at the

beginning of this we would have what

maybe twenty thousand ten thousand

people dead instead of the seven hundred

thousand dollars listen that's not the

point i don't care about your reasoning

i care about how you define the right

and the left

the liberties and freedom of all those

people is gone all those people are gone

those people could be alive hold on but

nowhere nowhere is it implied

hold on so you're saying liberty is what

maximally guarantees the

the ability for people to live right so

a government can take

the government can take therefore any

actions against its population against

the will of its population if it's going

to help preserve the lives of the most

people

ideally yes so and that's that's that's

freedom and liberty to you right

i mean

in in the very myopic uh understanding

of this conversation if you're going to

put it in that context very simply put

yes

governments should ensure the safety and

protection of all its people even

forcefully

even forcefully right

even even forcefully yeah that would be

a dictatorship that would be

authoritarianism but hold on

so what so what you just said if if it

leads to more people living in the long

run

then it is actually more pro freedom and

more liberty right i told you i told you

if you want to put it in this context

very simply put instead it's not it's

not for you to make an argument out of

it i am not in favor of it have you are

you a fan of george orwell's 1984

because he said war is peace freedom of

slavery ignorance is strength it sounds

like you're saying freedom is

dictatorship i want a democracy is

dictatorship

freedom is authoritarianism

right

um liberty is repression is that what

you're saying how is how is liberty

repression well because you're saying if

we operate by the standard that vaccine

mandates which forcefully impose the

vaccines on the population regardless of

their will

since that leads to more people being

able to live in the long run

that this ultimately leads to more

freedom and liberty because who has

freedom and liberty when they're not

alive right

okay so

literally right now school system has

mandate essentially what is mandated

vaccines

for children

yes guess what guess what you live and

you don't you have liberty are you

suggesting that we should hold the adult

citizens of this country to the same

standard as miners

it's it's not surprising from a welsh

fan

it's absolutely unsurprising that a

welsh fan would hold adult citizens to

the standard of minors because vash does

the same thing when it comes to

sexuality right but you're it's it's

arguments

don't go beyond what you're doing right

now you know very well what you're doing

right now that's called a strawman and

it's a it's a shitty argument but if

that's a straw man we're talking about

if we can go back because you're

assuming that i'm definitely but you

just used you just used the school

system as an example and a model to

impose on the population at large first

of all you make the decision for your

children so it is a matter of adults

making decisions so we are children the

what no you're not children it's the

decision making that is involved here

that is what is important you're used to

that

you're using an example of adults making

decisions for children

uh to be applied to adults making

decisions for your adults

assault for yourself you make your

decision for yourself and you make the

decision for your okay well guess what

that's not what's on the table here

right what's on the table here is the

vaccine mandates which are forcing or

coercing the population into taking

vaccines

the

traffic light is not coercing you to

stop hold on

wait

you're saying a traffic light is the

same as a vaccine mandate

yes regulating traffic is the same as a

vaccine mandate

it's a law that is there to protect you

it says then why isn't there any why

isn't there widespread resistance

against traffic laws

there are idiots that when we started

passing the the seat belts were against

seat belts was it remotely comparable as

a phenomena in scale and severity and

intensity to the resistance against the

mandates

against the vaccine mandate yeah

i mean i don't know why that would be uh

i guess not because there's more

uh there's

first of all there's the internet now so

there's more information just [ __ ]

being shot out everywhere most of it is

so so we need what you're saying is we

need more censorship then right

what no

do you think we should censor this

misinformation how did you pick that up

bro hold on well i'm just asking i don't

i don't know what your position is

do you think this do you think this

misinformation should then be censored

no i i want freedom of speech i don't

want to censor anybody okay

okay so going back to a normal argument

here so hold on what is hold on wait

what is an example of

right wingers wanting to restrict

people's freedom and liberties

what is an example yeah

well we were in another topic okay what

the [ __ ] is going on uh

something that the right-wingers are

doing to restrict people okay yeah gay

people from getting

married against that they were against

that in the last 20 20 years that

doesn't actually restrict hold on but

that doesn't restrict anyone's freedom

what the [ __ ] are you talking about of

course it does it there it doesn't it

doesn't prohibit people from

listening it doesn't it doesn't prohibit

people from engaging in any kind of

behavior it prohibits the state from

recognizing that form of risk

and that makes him an underclass

that makes him a different type of

citizen okay but that you still haven't

made the argument about restricting

people's range of choices and freedom

and liberty

okay but this let me okay so do you

understand how like laws and regulations

work look alabama until recently i think

alabama is one of the last ones until

recently

uh made

interracial marriage illegal this is

it's in the same vein as to what is

happening now sure nobody was going to

uh

maybe maybe nobody was going to what if

what if the right wingers in alabama

what if those what if the jim crow

people segregationists in alabama made a

similar argument as you and they said

well we're restricting uh interracial

marriage but this is ultimately because

uh it's for the common good and this is

ultimately because it's in the people's

best interests and we're actually

maximizing their liberty and freedom by

taking this action well you would get so

here's the thing right as i was saying

before if you're going to take what i

said and use it in the most simple

context okay

i'm just letting you know the context is

i want a democracy so in a democrat you

don't want a democracy i want a

democracy if you wanted a democracy the

majority of the people to be okay with

the decision of their leaders and in

that case i would be okay with them

restricting hold

you know what democracy means rule by

the people right

yeah so it so if the majority of people

are against the vaccine mandates and

you're saying that the mandate should be

imposed upon them anyway isn't that kind

of anti-democratic

no i want the majority to be if the

majority want to have i think the

polling shows that the majority of the

people want

to have they don't

no no

okay i haven't i haven't actually been

following any polls like that but i

would imagine that if that is the case

where they are against that i'm okay

with it not being passed because of that

i am in favor of it okay so that's jimmy

dore's position

jimmy dore's position is not that jimmy

dore is becoming a right-wing grifter

what the [ __ ] are you give an example of

how he's becoming a right-wing grifter

okay he's anti-vaxx

is he anti-vaxx

i mean he is anti-this vaccine in the

sense of he is questioning things that

have no merit he is uh referencing

articles uh selectively choosing

paragraphs selectively choosing parts of

the of the

of the articles he reads to make a

picture that entices or uh plays to the

interest of a right-wing audience that

is anti-vaxxer okay so you just said a

bunch of words salad is jimmy dora

vaccinated he's explained into

anti-vaccine

is he is he himself vaccinated

he is playing into anti-vaccine is he

himself vaccinated

uh sure yes

does his audience know he's vaccinated

uh i think so yes does he tell people

that they should take the vaccine

um i'm not entirely sure you're not sure

don't really no no like i literally

don't want but you but you just used th

you just called him an anti-vaxxer so

surely someone who's an anti-vaxxer

would never tell their audience to take

the vaccine under any circumstances he's

right

he's playing into the anti-vaccine

rhetoric

too too coddled to a specific type of uh

demographic or not maybe he's trying to

say that there's some merit in people

demanding the rights

that's the problem that there is no

merit he's just

so we should accept what the

pharmaceutical companies say at face

value we're not allowed to criticize or

scrutinize anything that our private

pharmaceutical companies say right

no absolutely you should question it

but isn't that pandering to the right

wing if you question it

uh if you question

uh if

are you are you anti-capitalists like

what the [ __ ] is going on here i don't i

don't know are you anti-capitals because

you seem to be holding water so severely

for private pharmaceutical companies so

much that we can't even question

100 i want to tax them i want to text

the [ __ ] out of them and i want them to

be super regulated and for us to have

you know

a say on our prices for for drugs but

that doesn't mean that the scientists

there who made the [ __ ] vaccine are

[ __ ] a cabal trying to [ __ ] with us

uh with a controller somehow with the

vaccine what the [ __ ] are you surprised

before we get into speculating for the

reasonings behind the them producing the

vaccines do we or do we not have the

right to scrutinize these companies

and the also these scientists for

releasing this rapidly new form of

vaccine technology the mrna technology

don't we at least have the right to

question this

uh you have the right to

get informed

uh but isn't that pandering to the right

wing according to you

to get informed yeah so let me ask you a

question

do do you think that there is no merit

to right wing sentiment at all

of any capacity there's no merit to it

what it what is the right-wing sentiment

i don't know 50 of the country do you

think that these people are all just

what is the sentiment what is this

sentiment is that you're the one talking

about right you're the the one that

jimmy dore is supposedly pandering to

the anti-vaccine rhetoric

in addition to everything else you have

in mind as far as jimmy dore is

concerned what the [ __ ] are you saying

what is the specific thing that you're

saying that they're they're warranted to

have in their minds

i didn't say anything yet i'm asking you

okay so you want me to put something in

there in their minds and then talk about

it i'm asking you you said you said

jimmy dore is pandering to right-wing

sentiment yes or no yes so you you want

me to specifically talk about is there

any merit to that widely held sentiment

or is it all just a result of the

anti-vaccine it is uh

unfounded yeah so so ever so 50 of

people who just aren't as smart as you

are

the 50 i don't know that's 50

how many people voted for trump

uh i don't know

how much of the electorate voted for

trump in the 2020 election

i don't know

whatever it is why don't you look it up

what what is it can you it's around it's

around 50 it's it's around 50

okay sure

so you're saying that you're saying that

totality of the people that voted for

trump are anti-vaxxer

yeah the grand majority are

so you are making that argument not me

i'm supposing i will suppose that it's

not the majority of the pop

oh so so you think only a minority of

people are right wing in america

i think a minority of yes there's a

minority okay what percentage of the

population in america do you figure is

right wing

i don't know

what what is at 35 what is this part of

what discussion is this so let's let's

just entertain the idea that it's 35

percent the silly idea 35 right wing and

again before you keep going with

anything let's let's entertain the silly

idea that it's pretty much

let's entertain the silly idea that it's

a mere 35 percent hell let's even

entertain a silly idea it's 25

right

is it better for your math is jimmy dora

wrong

to try and build a bridge to reach out

to these people and not assume that they

hold the views that they do because

they're stupid and evil but maybe

because they're normal human beings that

can they can find common ground with on

the basis of an anti-establishment

politics

why should they be written off

okay so

have you had have you made any success

reaching out to these people

here's my question i i answer my

question have you made any success

reaching out to them

do right wingers yeah

uh like like normie right wingers yeah

oh you have

normie right wingers yes you have and in

what way

i've tried to uh

explain to them how racism has permeated

all our institutions in the us

um

mainly co-workers that are not too far

gone

um and trying to make them see how

different like how racism still what do

you work what's your job

uh i don't want to talk about it well

give us a vague idea what kind of class

do you like i am

i am uh i would say

i'm technically blue collar

your blue collar

yeah

but i make good money like an

electrician okay like an electrician and

you convince your fellow electricians to

be lefties now

no but i i explained to them that racism

does and they agree with you

i managed to convince a few yeah what

did you convince them of

that racism

institutionalized racism exists

uh that certain people

so did you convince them to change their

vote from trump to something else

uh i don't know that i did that now you

didn't and by the way well i mean i

imagine by the way let me give you an

idea of what i mean let me tell you what

those people think of it

yeah i'm gonna give you an idea of what

those people think of you they think

you're the narc the cctv camera and

they're not honest with you behind your

back they're relieved every time you're

gone they think you're an annoying [ __ ]

and they can't wait to get away from you

true or false

um i don't know i think they like me i'm

my boss for a couple of them so you're

the boss even better so you think how

they act around you the boss is what

reflects what they really think

so the way that my work works is that

i'm

i and there's a very jovial and very um

it's not as you're a good boss

right no no no like like just the work

the workplace where i'm at is not a

strict regimentation yeah yeah you're a

good boss the good one no i'm not i'm

not a good boss i i just don't want to

tell you exactly what i do but i'm not

in a position where i'm i'm just in

charge of like certain enemies you're

the manager you're the manager

kind of like that the manager and they

love you they they're totally honest

with you they never talk [ __ ] behind

your back and make fun of you oh no for

sure they they do but i imagine there's

people that can make the arguments i

make and still be liked i don't know why

but they they do like you right they

they they totally every time you talk to

them about race politics and stuff

they're totally other people when

they're not in their heads when they're

nodding their heads in front of you

they're being totally honest listen

listen yeah there's other people there

that are

left-wing too there's black people that

work with me

why do you think black people are uh

left-wing inherently

no i'm saying there are black people

that hear me talk about how racism still

exists and they're like oh

okay

well i don't i don't really think the

idea

is hold on i don't really think the idea

that racism still exists is all that

controversial even among right-wingers

right-wingers

right-wingers will say that it's on the

individual level and that institutional

areas not all a lot of them can accept

that there is still racism in this

country but i the ones that i've seen

that are problematic are saying what i'm

telling you they're saying so you think

it's that you so you wear as a badge of

honor your ability as a manager to

convince people that racism exists

i mean i i've been in this um

in this workplace right now okay i

haven't always had speaking of race

i haven't always had the position of a

manager yeah you've gotten it now

because you're a [ __ ] narc so

speaking of race

um

you would you would say you've made it

you've made an interesting association

you've made an interesting association

so you said that

being pro-vaccine

is left-wing because it maximizes

freedom you were talking about jimmy

dore have you ever heard hold on shut

the [ __ ] up we're no no we're going down

this road being pro-vaccine is left and

you change you change topics

hey shut up shut up pro vaccine is

left-wing anti-vaxxer's right-wing yes

right now he's civilized here yes or no

i'm asking you yes or no you're not

gonna pivot when you're not going to

pivot when i have you corners so answer

my [ __ ] question

is left-wing anti-vaxxer's right-wing

right

these nazis or right-wingers okay that's

what i'm i'm talking to you about

we are not going to go anywhere until

you answer this question provax is

left-wing anti-vaxx is right-wing yes or

no

listen here goofball

you minimally you said it you okay i'm

just gonna go ahead and say yes you did

say that you're gonna assume whatever

you want you did say that you did

[ __ ] say that so and you also said

you also said in your own words

you also said in your own words that

recognizing race and and you associated

black people with left wing

and people who don't recognize the issue

of race with right wing yes or no

yes you did

you won't admit it because you're a

[ __ ] coward but we can

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little

you sound like a mouse [ __ ] no one can

[ __ ] hear you when you try to talk

over me so don't even [ __ ] try it

you're a [ __ ] now you have to answer

this question you [ __ ] knock dicky

you [ __ ] man is your [ __ ] now you

have to answer this that's

worth it that racial minorities are the

most resistant to nazis

i can't hear you

why are black and latino people the most

resistant to vaccines

okay

i i are you calm down

you just got [ __ ] i literally just

[ __ ] your skull you just got [ __ ]

you may be having an aneurysm

you just used black people as an example

of the left wing you just said jimmy

dore's the right winger because he's

anti-vaxx

a black black population is the most

resistant to hitting the vaccines

you are so infantile listen

first off i will talk about this topic

no problem i wanted to just

[ __ ]

[ __ ] and it took you so long beating

around the bush dancing around the

[ __ ] topic only to get [ __ ] anyway

that's you devoid of arguments brother

let me see i'm devoid of arguments

is that why you tried to weasel your way

out of this is that why you tried so

hard to claw your way out of this

argument

anything

jimmy dore

contact or trying to appeal to right

wingers okay you were you were trying to

say hey

jimmy dore is appealing to right-wingers

let me explain something to you okay do

you know who martin nemolaire is no

okay

first they came for the communists pivot

based pivot and you remember that you

remember that what are you gonna say

first they came from the soy gyno nerd

[ __ ] like you first they came from

the managers then they came for the

bosses then they came for blackrock then

they came for jeff bezos i don't give a

[ __ ] [ __ ]

what i do but listen

here's the thing first they came for the

narcs first they came to the managers

then they came for the netflix employees

grifter he is a grifter he's a grifter

what does a grifter mean

he changes his mind for whoever pays him

the most okay ross doesn't do that ron

does voss do that

for whoever pays him the most i don't

think so does boss change his mind

opportunistically based on what the

audience wants

hold on i can change my mind and you can

change your mind okay explain how

explain how jimmy dore changes his mind

based on money i am telling you that he

uh several videos before his new

anti-vax arc he was talking about you

should get the vaccine it's important

that you get the vaccine and he still

says

hold on but he still says that

no he he's changed his rhetoric man i'm

telling you he's appealing to a [ __ ]

right-wing anti-vaxx audience

okay that's all i had to say about wait

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

so that's what makes him right wing he's

appealing to a right-wing anti-vaxx

audience because he's he's skeptical of

the big pharma

right no no and it's not because of that

it's because he's just trying to

cultivate an audience and he's why are

you racist though why are you a racist

ku klux klan loving democrat you're a

racist right

what do you mean

well because the black population is the

most resistant to getting the vaccine so

surely those are a bunch of right

wingers so you're positioning yourself

against them aren't you i'm saying

anti-vaxx

first of all the problem is not

being black the problem is being

anti-vaxxed and i don't care

but but the black population is the most

resistant specifically in new york

getting the best version by taking your

face value taking you at face value and

saying that is black people right

uh but it's oh you want to disprove it

it's objectively true they are resistant

to the vaccine not even looking up i

have a computer right in front of me i

could i'm telling you i'm taking you at

face value i'm going to assume that

black people don't are now vaccinating

themselves i know it's not just that

they're not vaccinated they're the most

resistant

the most resistant to getting the

vaccine they have the least amount of

trust in the vaccine out of anyone

let's

are you pretending like the there's no

history of why that would be

why would it be go ahead is your

argument what is your argument enlighten

us why would it be

they they have been betrayed by by the

government multiple times

yeah including medically so doesn't that

make them right-wing

does not make them right-wing why

they're they're against freedom and

liberty they're against the government

doing what's in their best interests of

freedom and liberty so it makes them

right-wing right

i am i'm not calling black people right

wing how how of course you don't want to

but logically speaking you would have to

based on what you said before [ __ ] are

you saying no

first of all you just said people who

don't who are resistant to the vaccines

are right-wing sweetie let me explain to

you this yeah call me one more time

okay you want to do that how about i

meet you about jazz what happens when

i'm youtube what happens when you're

muted what happens when you're muted i

want you to know something facts for as

long as you're here you're my [ __ ] you

are personally my [ __ ] i already [ __ ]

your skull and absolutely [ __ ]

annihilated you beyond the threshold of

recovery already that already [ __ ]

happened now we're just having some

[ __ ] fun you wanna [ __ ] with me dax

and play with me

you're not gonna and it's not gonna turn

out well for you it's not gonna turn out

well for you and by the way this is an

act of dominance my fingers are in your

mouth right now

for lack of being able to say the the

other thing your mouth is gagged you are

gagged right now your throat is gagged

you cannot speak

no one can hear you are gagged you are a

[ __ ] you are my [ __ ] specifically you

need to know where you're at dax because

they are

way

way far from your home this ain't reddit

dax you're not in reddit anymore

you're not in reddit anymore little boy

you [ __ ] narc [ __ ]

are you done [ __ ] boy

would you call me

[ __ ] boy okay you need you need another

gag in your mouth right

i don't know i don't understand i've

been trying to talk you need another gag

in your mouth don't you don't you can't

haunt me if you don't say one if you

don't say another word you are my [ __ ]

you have 10 seconds to speak or you can

see to me that you're my [ __ ]

10

9

8

7

6

five

four

three

two

one

zero

my [ __ ]

that's exactly what you [ __ ] are

don't ever forget it dax

don't ever forget it

like with your uh

display of dominance

yeah sigma male dominance over here who

do you think's the more dominant male me

or you

well you seem to be unable to cope with

somebody tearing apart your [ __ ] for

it how have you done that how have you

done that

i mean

you keep

jumping

[ __ ] this isn't your workplace you have

no power here you are [ __ ] hey listen i

told you i wasn't assuming that the

entirety of the right wing was anti-vaxx

that was you and you can but you made

the association between anti-vaxx and

right-wing

i didn't make any

i said that the right wing

which is probably the majority of the

anti-vaxxers that is so let's let's walk

it through how is jimmy do our right

wing

i said jimmy dore was a grifter and how

was the right wing you called him right

wing too didn't you i did not i said he

didn't he didn't call him right wing so

he has nothing to do with being right

wing now right

i said he's pandering to a right-wing

audience

i just explained to you he has literally

gone to a full arc of anti-vaccine

vaccinations she just said okay the most

resistant population to the the vaccine

are black people

so you see how we got to this circle now

didn't you so so let me let me

understand you see how we got to this

circle calm down come down i understand

where you came i understand i understand

i understand

13 of the population okay is black okay

let's assume well let's be you know uh

charitable and say that half and half so

about six point five percent of it right

seven percent is uh right wing and seven

percent is left wing okay

his audience obviously is not going to

be just black people and the majority of

the that's not what i said i said the

population that is most resistant to the

vaccines is the black population and

those are all but can you can you at

least concede that those are all right

wingers the audience

the majority of the audience that he

would be pandering to would be white

why well yeah because the white people

are the majority of this country but

exactly as a proportion of people

resistant to the vaccine

it's disproportionately

about what he doesn't care about his

proportions on his [ __ ]

oh is that you is that too big of a word

for you you dumb [ __ ]

what do you mean you just are pretending

like the proportion is what matters not

the numbers and the number is what

matters

the number does matter you are targeting

and smearing and attacking the black

community no i am specifically yes you

are well the black community is

overwhelmingly resist more resistant to

the vaccine than any other community in

new york okay listen you're saying what

is the number is the number so like

asinine that's like 94. you don't [ __ ] i

don't know vos didn't teach you logic or

something or how this works

even if there were only five black

people in this country and three of them

were resistant to the vaccines you are

targeting black people by calling

everyone who's resistant to the vaccines

or right winger or you're at least

saying those three people are

right-wingers so you're saying the

majority of black people are right

wingers you know basic logic it doesn't

matter how many there are it doesn't

matter how many there are it's about who

you're targeting

let's do some math the majority of the

country is white

what is your point i'm talking about

your stance toward black people listen

the majority of the people in this

country is so what so majority the

majority of right wingers slash

republicans you don't have to mix them

quite

like you don't have to perfectly match

them together but they would

most likely intersect in their interests

so the majority of in the of this

country is white the majority of the

right-wing population is white and the

majority of the right-wing population is

anti-vax okay okay

if you are changing your

positions

to pander to a specific group of people

which i would tell you

is the majority anti-vaxx and that of

that majority the majority is uh i'm

sorry of that group anti-vaxx the

majority is going to be white

i am not talking about the black people

and and like taking this whole thing or

you're not you're not but you are

because you just defined but you defined

the premise of jimmy dore being a

right-winger

you have to prove the premise you stupid

[ __ ] so shut your bitch-ass [ __ ]

mouth and listen here you just defined

jimmy dore being a right-winger on the

basis of being anti-vaxxed how do you

know that he's only targeting

right-wingers who are anti-vaccines how

do you know that

i'm saying he's pandering to a

right-wing how do you know how do you

know

because the majority of the right-wing

audience

is where the majority of the

anti-vaxxers exist

what does that have to do with anything

the black population in new york is the

most resistant to the vaccine you keep

saying that but proportionally it's

going to be a minority of his po of

okay but what does it say about the so

the is the black population right wing

or not right wing in your view

is the black population because i asked

you to define what right wing means and

you defined it in terms of anti-vaxx so

if you're defining right wing in terms

of anti-back then let me define it you

jumped ah

as soon as i define it define it define

it i would say right wing is a

um basically attempting to control

the

restrictions that government puts in all

of us all of us on the on the merit of

individual liberties pretending like uh

there's a meritocracy in place or

attempting to

um establish a

system of freedom that is based on how

much you have or or what what you are as

a person can you get the dick out of

your mouth so you could stop quavering

and [ __ ] trembling and [ __ ] fear

the word is quivering yeah um i am not

so you basically just said nothing you

basically just said nothing you

basically just [ __ ] said nothing you

basically just said the right wing

the right wing the right wing means

everyone who's for individual liberty

and believes in meritocracy

uh yeah it's basically meritocracy and

uh a cell like i would say it's

anti-egalitarian more patriarchal type

of ideals where yeah uh a strong figure

controls

government or or preferably who who

controls the government right now

a weak figure

uh

i mean i don't know you're jumping from

topic to topic

is the right wing in power in the

government right now

uh yes

oh they are

the right wing of this country is not

but the right wing

uh the the government that is in place

is fairly right-wing oh so biden's a

right-winger to you

yes okay good i'm glad we we can

establish that

yeah so byron's the right one to me he

is right-wing so why why is it that

jimmy dore is constantly attacking biden

a right-winger he doesn't want to upset

the right-wing audience right wouldn't

most if biden's a right-winger doesn't

it follow that biden supporters are also

right-wingers but biden supporters hate

jimmy dore so how does that how does

that uh

figure

so

you can slowly

um

bring or shift your views

uh and still he he

criticizes joe biden right

right wingers criticized joe biden

but i thought joe biden's a right winger

right right right um see i'm sorry i

mean right-wingers in this country which

are bordering fascists

oh they're bordering fascists yes are

well the the the

group you should be concerned about so

jimmy dore is also doing that too right

jimmy dore is a fascist no i didn't say

that i also didn't say he was right-wing

either i said he's catering to a

right-wing audience a right-winger

because because he's skeptical of of

that of the big pharmaceutical companies

that manufacture the guys that's not the

problem brother the problem is he's

grifting he's changing his views he's

clearly

how has he changed his views because i'm

telling you he had videos recently where

he's like how has he changed his views

he was first criticizing people not

wanting to get the vaccine and now he's

gone full but he said that he wasn't

informed back then and he became more

educated and informed and he realized

there was a lot of holes in the things

that according to him he doesn't do

anything to you what's that the vaccine

doesn't do anything to you well you can

go debate him about that

no but you're the one that said he's a

communist when he's got literally he's

pissed

you said he's a communist quote me

what's the exact quote what did i say

you said what would be the equivalent of

a communist in the u.s

so i said he asked you jimmy dore is

more comparable to what in the u for

being in the u.s what communists are in

eastern europe and elsewhere does that

mean he is necessarily himself a

communist or that he's more compe he's

more like them and he's more comparable

to them he's not a communist he's not

even close to a communist he's an idiot

he's a grifter you're not a communist

you're a [ __ ] gnar if you little

[ __ ] you're a lip [ __ ] [ __ ] artist

either wearing a pink tutu in your

[ __ ] workplace and everyone [ __ ]

hates you there was a disgusting narc

[ __ ] to wear the pig tutu okay it's my

channel yeah everyone sees you as a lib

[ __ ] snowflake in your workplace and

they all try to avoid you like the

plague okay i mean that those aren't

arguments but you know it's true

no yeah it is true no no it's a shitty

argument no it's completely correct it's

completely you are a [ __ ] narc listen

to the core you're a narcissist listen

stop yelling jesus manager manager dax

i'm not i didn't say jimmy is not a

communist when did i call him a

communist a confidence to someone who

calls themselves a communist with a

capital c

you think

what is the communist thing about what's

a communist what you're talking about

what's a communist a communist you want

me to give you the definition of

communism yeah okay

i will tell you simply put a communist

attempts to equally distribute the

wealth of the

whatever the community

is that fair is that enough what

authority do you derive that definition

what

by what on what authority do you derive

that definition where does it come from

well i mean from like the

theory from marxist theory recited form

cite the theory for me that justifies

this description of what communism is

what what do you mean why do i have to

give you like what is this because i'm

saying you're full of [ __ ]

because because i i am insane because

what i'm saying is that it doesn't exist

the theory doesn't exist to justify that

description of communism prove me wrong

psychic theories of what i'm saying what

is communism then

wait now you're asking me

i'm telling you that in a in an ideal

communist system you would distribute

the wealth equally and you would ensure

that everybody has a a minimum set um

of uh

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hold up

uh has a minimum set of standards by the

way which they live in so

where are you getting this from on what

authority do you say this

well i know that uh

there are

first of all this is an example of like

what the black panthers were doing how

they were ensuring is that what they

said can you please cite me where the

black panther said that

i didn't say the black panther said that

i said it so who said it where did you

get the where did on what authority do

you derive this description of congress

are you trying to make an argument about

something or are you trying to do i'm

calling you i'm calling you a stupid

[ __ ] who doesn't know what they're doing

you caught me a stupid [ __ ] okay so show

me how my stupid [ __ ] i'm saying

communism because you're saying things

without substantiating them with any

evidence i'm saying look with theory and

what i know are examples of uh communist

uh ideology and communist policies uh

people would ensure that everybody

people would

like what name name every name every

communist and are you name

you know so much about communism name

every communist are you doing the meme

right now i'm telling you to name one

example that justifies your description

the black panthers for example what did

the black panthers do that's communist

in your description yes they were

feeding every child that came to their

their food banks okay so by that

definition charities would be communist

no

not not exactly because they were doing

it

wait wouldn't fascists also be communist

then because fascists also fed people no

no no it had orphanages and had things

like that hold up there is more to it

there's not only obviously in a system

when they were in the capitalist system

they were trying to do communist like

policies communist you know uh

undertakings and one of those

undertakings was feeding the communi the

community they were in so

hold on so you're so food stamps are

communist

food stamps are a social policy as a

socialist policy if you want to say it

that way okay

specifically would be

for example communism would be if you

have a population of let's say 100

people in your neighborhood and

some people make five thousand dollars

some people make a thousand dollars and

you

um

equally ensure that all these people

make two thousand five hundred dollars

okay um or to a maximum so

you so you don't understand logic so i'm

going to break this down to you i asked

you on what authority do you derive that

definition of communism you give me the

example of something

shut the [ __ ] up shut your [ __ ] [ __ ]

mouth or i'm gonna shut it for you hey

i'm muting you too listen okay you're

muting me as well okay don't worry i'm

telling you this is for the audience

so what you said was that the black

panthers

who called themselves communists did

something

that justifies your description of

communism they gave

children food on an equal basis

but when other people do that

that same thing they're not communists

like charities for example

so how on what authority do you describe

do you justify this description of

communism

you can't justify the essentiality of

what the black panthers did to communism

so what is communism you can't just

because the black panthers did something

and called themselves communist doesn't

mean that the thing they did was was

communism because other people who are

not communists can do that very same

thing

so that's logic dax it's something vash

i doubt has ever taught you

i'm on meeting you now

okay so listen um

there are

things are nuanced haas

you can have social policies

and you cannot have socialism okay you

can have social policies that attempt to

uh near okay so

you didn't you didn't catch what i said

you didn't catch what i said i'm asking

you

why is this communism on what authority

do you derive this description of

communism where does it come from is

this going to be part of what type of

argument are you trying to formulate i

am asking you

where you derive the authority

of your [ __ ] argument

i am using theory that i know

from where what theory should cite

anything cite one thing

a das capitao

does mark say communism is the equal

distribution of resources i don't have i

don't have

a direct quote i'm telling you by unless

you have a specific definition that no

that's not how it works so if you say

for example that

communism is when

i chop my arm off and chop other

people's arms off and i say no where are

you getting shut the [ __ ] up and i say

where are you getting that and you say

uh capital i said where in kevin he said

well unless you have a better death no

the burden of you is to justify why are

you why you're saying what you're saying

to the final word uh define something

yeah i am asking you to define i'm

asking you i'm asking you what communism

is you're making it part of your

argument you're going to make something

ladies and gentlemen this is roger's

community by the way

i am telling you you are trying to uh do

or make an argument which

well it's it's it's incumbent on me to

explain or to do hold on you just said

that you just said with confidence

you just hinged your entire circuit of

argumentation

in the beginning that oh you said jimmy

rose a communist he's far from a

communist ministry but you don't know

what a communist is

i know well i know ideologically what a

communist is no you don't i've i've

pressed you to i've pressed you i've

given you so many chances to prove you

know what communism is and you don't i

am telling you it's a

it's specifically for communism it's an

egalitarian way of distributing

resources so

where

where where have you gotten this

description of communism

what what did i tell you i mean uh

mark's

theory nowhere does mark says the

opposite of this mark says that the

equal distribution of resources leads to

inequality that's what he said

i said egalitarian yeah he said the

egalitarian distribution

um

which is associated with the lower stage

of socialism

according to the incredibles is what i

said equitable equitable distribution of

resources

okay

even even that's exactly the point the

equitable distribution of resources

leads to inequality and marx did not

associate that

with communism

as a society he said that was maybe the

lower stage of socialism

but as far as a communist society is

concerned marx never described it on

those terms ever

i i don't

i mean i don't remember every passage of

of any of us i

insisting upon the fact the burden of

you is to prove the contrary what what

is that you have not read a single

passage of marx that should justify what

you're saying is your argument you

[ __ ] up what is your argument that you

have not read a single passage of marx

that justifies what you're saying you

[ __ ] [ __ ] your daughter is a

communist and jimin doria is a communist

you don't know what communism means

and how it is a communist or not because

you don't even know what it means

okay fine listen i am telling you that

he is just a right-winger grifter

and you're also saying black people are

right-wing you're also calling the black

community right-wing yes

racist [ __ ] who hates black people

that's what you are you to make any

argument you

you are racist this is what you're doing

who are you racist

you are a racist you are a racist you

are a racist [ __ ] i am not yes you are

to know why black people are hesitant to

take the vaccine and it's not because

they're right-wing

so you think the only reason people are

hesitant to take the vaccine is because

they're right wing no there's and it's

not because

that's the main reason i just told you

black people are hesitant to take the

vaccine and it's not because they're

right-wing and you just went and said

exactly so why are the others hesitant

to take the vaccine because they've been

propagandized

there's the right-wingers are

propagandized why believe why why

what do you mean why there's this idiot

that started

why did trump why did trump promote the

vaccines and when he did it his crowd

booed him when he did it

well i mean

i guess it's like um so you're saying

it's a top-down right-wing conspiracy

frankenstein monster kill so so you're

saying you're saying

it's a top-down conspiracy

that

uh that there's anti-valley that this is

created by

right-wing

actors that want to promote anti-vaxx

narratives and it's all coming from

putin or the kremlin in russia or i

don't know where where is it coming from

so how does anyone benefit from people

being anti-vaxx can you answer that

how does the how does the republican

party benefit it's like a right-wing

mentality where they first of all they

can't put their themselves on the shoes

of anybody else uh if it doesn't happen

to them and they can't see it hold on

hold on so

what so does the black community also

does does the black and latino community

also have the right-wing mentality

no no why not

saying that the black and latino

community are right-wing why do you keep

saying that i'm saying you're saying

that

no that's a stupid argument

i am not saying that but what are you

saying

exactly what are you saying exactly what

are you saying that there are different

reasons to be anti-vaxx okay there are

different reasons there's new ones here

there's different reasons black people

are hesitant and i imagine latinos as

well although latinos are generally

right so what is the reason what are the

different reasons

the different reasons are black people

have been screwed over by the government

okay uh

what is taguski uh experiments uh oh

there's other okay okay and all sorts of

reasons so they don't trust the

government is what you're saying

they don't they don't

they have a hesitance to do certain

things they don't trust they don't trust

the government

one of these things in this case is

manifesting itself along with all the

propaganda that's around it to be

anti-vaccine so so you know better than

black people

what do you mean

i mean you can be

wrong about something can you add yes or

no you know more than black people you

can be wrong yes or no you know what's

best for black people there's such a

totalitarian way of thinking but yes or

no yes or no can you answer the simple

yes or no question

a group of people no i don't know more

than an entire society okay but you're

you're answering this in a condescending

way saying well the only reason they're

not getting the vaccine is because

they're being missed i understand i

understand why you would be hesitant

okay so so why why are the white people

hesitant

the white people are hesitant they have

no they have no

basis as the black people do they don't

have the same basis oh sure so so they

so so hold on let me get this straight

so the white people in america have

every reason to trust

uh corporate america and the government

i've seen that but they can't find their

nation they have every reason to trust

the for-profit pharmacy hold on what

you're saying you're saying white people

have every reason to to trust for-profit

pharmaceutical companies and the

government that has given them mixed

signaling with fauci early in the days

of the pandemic no

[ __ ] up but the thing is [ __ ] up

yeah [ __ ] you definitely [ __ ] up she

[ __ ] up but but but but i thought

there's no basis for why some white

people would be distrustful of the

government i'm saying that the va the

basis for which i would say black people

uh have a hesitance to get vaccinated

because of things like the taguski

experiments so what what is so so we get

it they know what you're actually saying

is that what you're actually saying what

you're actually saying is that black

people have reasons not to trust the

government the question is do white

people have reasons not to trust the

government too

i'm saying that the justification for

being hesitant to getting the vaccine

there is a justification that i can see

in why black people are hesitant what

about for white people i don't see it

they can't use the same one that's for

sure they can't use that that's they

they can't they can't talk about how the

pharmaceutical companies are for-profit

and don't act on the interest of the

well-being of the people but for profit

listen listen they can't talk about that

that's perfectly understandable hey they

can't talk about how fauci politicized

the crisis and the democrats politicized

it from the very beginning excuse me the

republicans politicized this from the

beginning saying that it wasn't an issue

that it was going to disappear and it

was a nothing burger when it was a an

important [ __ ] virus that was came

and ravaged so so trump when trump

proposed to shut down the borders what

did the democrats say

but

he's been trying to shut down the

borders on a basis of like who was

muslim brother not like that was in 20

that was in 2017. but he's during the

early days of the pandemic during the

early days of the pandemic in 2020 trump

wanted a total shutdown of the borders

into the us why did the democrats oppose

this

listen

the reasoning that he uses is like if

you have a demagogue that is a xenophobe

and a racist and he just happens to find

the right the right reason to do

something xenophobic and racist you say

oh you must not question it because it

makes sense in this context now who in

the very beginning of the pandemic

politicized the crisis

the president

how

by saying that it was nothing that

nothing you should not be scared didn't

he say he wants a complete shutdown of

travel to the us

from the hot spots not immediately yes

he did

and was he attacked was he attacked was

he attacked for it

uh because oh i i think i i remember

this yeah basically he

tried to stop travel from china

when the majority of the cases that were

detected were coming from europe

so that's why

he

was doing a stupid oopsie based on

racism basically

was so you're so that that was an

example of him politicizing it

yeah because he's just trying to ban

he's trying to ban you do you think it

would have been smart to shut down

travel from the orig the place that it

was ravaging the most

which was europe

well no at the time it was in china

it was not china yes

so the there was no pandemic in china at

the time no there was a pandemic in

china okay

the the issue with this so why didn't

the democrats say why didn't the

democrats say let's also shut down

travel from europe

because what you should have done was

just shut down trouble from europe

the democrats did not advocate for that

no right because well i don't know if

they wanted to shut down or not i'm just

saying they did it they said trump they

said the idea of shutting down was uh

but nobody's making excuses

what about what about dr fauci he [ __ ]

up right okay yeah

was that for political reasons or no

i don't i don't know no i don't think so

okay

you talked about the muslim ban you

talked about the muslim ban why did

biden just uh initiate another muslim

ban

bro i am

has i don't i don't like

biden either it's not like um yeah you

want your cake and you want to eat it

too you don't want to be like

you don't want to be held responsible

for anything

no no i prefer obviously you don't want

to be held responsible for anything

listen i prefer biden over trump i mean

there's not much but i think yeah even

though there's no difference

there is difference what's the name name

one name one

one difference yeah um i guess he's not

trying to ban transgender from the

military that's the only one i've ever

gotten out of you people

well that's the only one right now that

i just pulled out of my ass that's the

only one i've ever gotten from you

when i since my first debate since my

first debate when i started live

streaming that is the only talking point

i have ever managed to shake out of you

dumb [ __ ]

that's the only one i've ever gotten out

of you i guess uh another different well

and guess what guess what

why do i give a [ __ ]

who gets to serve in the military and go

bomb children overseas no i got you no i

got you i'm not in favor of that either

i'm not in favor but you just just

upheld that as an example of why biden's

better so you said you said biden's

better than trump because of that

biden is better because of that he's

less and there's otherwise no difference

he's less of a yeah he he maintains the

status quo if nobody said he wasn't so

what's the difference

uh rhetorically he is pushing the

country less to the right

what is it so it's all about rhetoric

and ideology and meaning

what about in terms of meat and potatoes

and

in terms of meat and potatoes yeah he is

almost

almost identical

okay

so

that's that's the hill you want to die

on really i'm just saying i mean i don't

know how we ended up here but

what just all started because simply

jimmy dore is not communist okay but you

don't know what communism is remember no

brother you don't know what communism is

that's why you would call jimmy dora

communist but i have i have receipts as

far as my knowledge of communism you

have none what is the communistic thing

that he's doing like a communist would

spread his wealth like evenly first of

all jimmy dore is not officially a

communist but he's closer to being a

communist than any other anything he's a

right-wing drifter

you keep saying listen

so i impressed you on the following i

said how was he right-wing you ended up

admitting you're a racist against

you ended up admitting to everyone

you're a racist against black people

when i impressed you on that i asked you

how was he a grifter i said how is he a

grifter you said because he changed his

views on a topic well of course he

changed his views on a topic because he

got more informed

i am telling you oh so he got vaccinated

got more informed and all of a sudden

his anti-vaccine he's not an anti-vaxxer

he is just people

he's just raised questions

against the pharmaceutical companies

asking questions i'm just asking

questions he's sewing doubt and and

we have a population that is like

mentally handicapped okay

that is literally going about their day

without getting vaccinated so you said

you're in favor of free speech in

democracy i can't believe i didn't get

that vaccine uh please i would get the

vaccine now then that then they die and

then every right-winger story it's the

same thing they're in the hospital

they're dying they realize how [ __ ] up

they they were and then they're trying

to get the vaccine then do you think

promoting vaccine mandates and stifling

any skepticism of the vaccines helps i

am worth saying don't be does it help or

worsen people's paranoia about vaccines

brother

so what is what is your solution

i am saying there's dumb people you've

got to tell them that they're dumb what

i mean you guys

see where it gets you okay they don't

kill you okay hold on

so you're an elitist [ __ ] calling

yourself a communist who believes in

democracy i didn't call myself a

communist so you're you you believe in

democracy right i do believe in them why

should we be ruled by stupid people

why would she ah the manager is now

questioning his commitments hmm what do

you mean

why should we you calling all these

people dumb [ __ ] well we're in a

democracy so they their vote is worth

just as much as yours

right but they're stupid people

there are stupid people so what are you

gonna do about it

you have to ensure that stupid people

stop at a stop sign

and if they don't they get a ticket ah

okay

okay my fuhrer

what what do you mean i'm a fuhrer

because i i establish traffic laws if

you stop

you're using traffic laws as an excuse

to basically say

that

you want to force people against their

will to take vaccines

listen

there's nobody's will to stop at a stop

sign you're being forced to do it yeah

just like just like the the camps in

australia it's just like a stop sign

they're just like stop signs

yeah a vaccine yeah yeah just like the

swat team all around on the streets of

sydney and melbourne and victoria yeah

it's just like a stop sign that's a

different thing that's a that's a

lockdown but it's not

listen it's it's like a stop sign right

yo are you saying that

regulations are a slippery slope to

fascism

i don't i think it sounds like what

you're saying right

this is the stop sign that's your

argument you just made that argument

it's it's just a stop sign right

you're saying that if stop sign leads to

fascism if you were a stop sign what

color would you be because i'm hedging

my bets on green because you've been ran

through so many [ __ ] times brother

whatever whatever these arguments

how old are you what's your argument

jesus christ i'm telling you that

regulations are not a slippery slope to

fascism and you're pretending like it is

hold on but are you so you're saying

that what they're doing in australia is

fascism you can no

no so what's wrong with it then so

what's wrong with this just like a stop

sign listen there are regulations there

are laws

and if people are okay so in a democracy

are people okay with stop signs

sure would they exist if people weren't

okay with them would there be a problem

would they if people had a problem with

them i imagined that overall they would

go away yes

okay so if we're in a democracy and most

people are against mandates

what do you what are you gonna do about

it if they're stupid people

well if as long as they're less than the

majority uh they're not have to they're

not they're not

they're not no well then they're gonna

have to vote

their voices hurt they are that's why

the democrats are getting rolled in 2022

so wait wait wait so let me get this

straight right we're over what are we at

69 or something percent uh vaccinated

it doesn't matter they're against that

they're against mandates

right right right they're against

mandates but what what mandates are we

talking about is are there mandates yes

in new york they're trying to institute

mandates and people are coming out

against them instituted already

go and look it up they've trying

they've been trying yes is there a

little step is there a lot in the past

they're doing it through the employers

and they're doing it through

institutions

okay so

institutions so private institutions or

or public institutions both

so

private institutions do whatever the

[ __ ] they want

okay in public institutions like for

example if you work for the federal

government yeah if the federal

government tells you to get vaccinated

yeah uh didn't you hold

do we get to so didn't you say that you

think the right wing is defined by

individual liberty and meritocracy

over the

over the benefit of so why do you why

are you insisting so much on the liberty

of the private institutions isn't that

right-wing on the liberty of the private

institute yeah isn't that right-wing i'm

saying the laws are in place uh allow

for private companies to do whatever

they want i'm not saying is that good or

bad for one or the other is that good or

bad

i mean

well i guess that's a

as a part of um freedom of speech i

would say it's good but

so it's freedom of speech to have

vaccine employer mandates

you narc manager [ __ ] what do you mean

the

first of all i'm not a manager you are a

manager you are a manager and no one

will ever treat you as you're never

going to be one of them

you will never be one of the

boys be better

everyone in your workplace [ __ ] hates

you you narc [ __ ] snitch [ __ ] cctv

camera [ __ ] that's what you are as a

matter of fact you're a [ __ ] cctv

camera narc [ __ ] everyone at your

workplace [ __ ] avoids you like the

plague

are you done

go ahead you okay

sounds like you're not okay you knock

[ __ ] i'm gonna be all right it's gonna

be all right you knock [ __ ] you cc

camera as a matter of freedom

so wait so it's free speech to have

vaccine mandates employer mandates

employers can mandate whatever they want

but is that free speech

well it's part of freedom of speech they

can they can choose what to do with

their they're not forced to do certain

things basically as a as comp as uh the

federal government is the federal

government cannot stifle you for

your freedom of speech while companies

can and in that same vein companies can

mandate that you

have a vaccine what does that have to do

with freedom of speech

uh i mean i didn't mean it like it had

to but that's what you [ __ ] said you

stupid [ __ ] you brain dead empty-headed

[ __ ] he's the thing because

the federal government

can't stifle you in your freedom of

speech okay

what does that have to do with employer

mandates

well it doesn't it does it does but why

did you bring up freedom of speech then

because it's in the same vein the

companies can men can tell you what to

do if you okay so you just conceded on

the argument about free speech you

stupid [ __ ]

no i don't know what the argument about

free speech was i i'm not entirely sure

that you made one

uh but the thing is that companies can

tell you if you want to do business with

them

if you want to do business with a

company

okay so so wait wait so if you're an

employee you're just doing business with

the company as an individual

right yeah you can you can leave you can

yeah yeah so isn't that a right wing

argument about private freedom of

individuals

uh um i'm a guest isn't the left-wing

argument that it's not just a matter of

individuals and that when you're working

for a company you're not just doing so

as an individual that there's a degree

of social and public accountability that

affects all of society

isn't that the left-wing position

but you're adopting the right-wing one

specifically here because you want to

because you want to die on the [ __ ]

hill of vaccines i'm not i am not

advocating for companies i'm not saying

corporations are the best and they

should have the right to tell you what

to do i am saying that in the world that

we live in

well people people are resisting that

right now

okay quit that's fine if they're doing

more than quit they're going on strikes

yes i got you but here's the thing right

there are justifications and they and

they want the government to step in and

prohibit these uh

forced mandates as unconstitutional the

federal government can't tell

corporations what to do with in that

regard yes they can that's right

firsthand speech because it comes

and moreover the government is adopting

the mandates too now you dumbass yeah

federal government is doing that but

and people are resisting it

here's the thing and you call them all

stupid people who need to follow the

traffic lights

do you understand that there's good

protest and there's bad protests do you

understand that

do you understand what

what of what relevance is your point you

don't understand that there's good

arguments and there's bad arguments you

understand that

you haven't put forward a single

argument you understand how the

charlottesville protesters were

different from black lives matter

protesters do you understand that

what does that have to do with the point

that people are overwhelmingly resistant

a misguided propagandized population

that is wrong about the reasoning for

protesting but is that the majority

i am sane because the majority are

against the mandates

and people

so are you comparing the charlottesville

protest to the anti-lockdown and mandate

protesters

give me an article what's the article on

the on the numbers because you keep

saying this and i don't believe this is

true but let's look it up what is the

what is the website or you can put it

pull it up on your stream i'm watching

uh what is the article that is saying

that it's the majority of the country

that is against uh mandates

so i have to give you an article right

now on the spot and look for one but you

can't you know just give me you

what about when i asked you for

citations about communism and marx and

capitals because it's

those theories am i wrong about what i

said about communism absolutely [ __ ]

wrong

yeah about communism

no about everything you're making a

statement a fact about the numbers i do

not know what numbers your you're uh

you're mentioning you're referencing

here because i don't believe i've ever

seen an article and i'm pretty well

informed in this regard about the people

that don't want money

there are there are not any reliable

forms of polling on the question there's

no real okay but you're assuming then so

you're pulling it out of your ass you're

not no i'm not i'm assuming it on the

basis of the unprecedented and

widespread popular resistance to it

listen listen we have the numbers on

people that have gotten vaccinated okay

we have that number and that number

because people are getting vaccinated

doesn't mean that they're in favor of

members

so i am going to go on a limb here and

say that the majority of the country is

not anti-vaxx and it's not anti-vaccine

mandates okay

i imagine that everyone is okay so okay

so try to enforce a vaccine mandate and

see what happens

i mean i'd it's happening look at what's

happening now

listen here goof

what's the percentage of the federal

people what's the percentage of the

federal

employees that didn't get vaccinated i

think it's less than one percent

because they have to

what do you mean they can't quit they

can in protest quit okay well i guess

this is like resistance

but people people are overwhelmingly

against the vaccine mandates

okay so how show me numbers like you're

just pulling out your ass no i'm not

pulling it out of my [ __ ] ass i'm

doing it on the basis of the widespread

resistance against

the majority got vaccinated

the numbers that i know the only numbers

that i know of are the the federal

numbers are less than one percent of

people that did not get vaccinated

because people didn't quit their jobs

over it and that wasn't the deal breaker

that means they're against mandates you

stupid [ __ ] if you put a gun in

someone's head and say be my slave and

they're still being a slave that doesn't

[ __ ] mean they support slavery you

stupid illogical [ __ ] use your brain rub

two brain cells in your [ __ ] head

together what you're saying doesn't

follow just because people are not

quitting their jobs at the federal level

doesn't mean they support the [ __ ]

mandate you stupid [ __ ] it means they

did a cost benefit analysis individually

that they can't afford to lose their

[ __ ] job or with not wanting to get

the [ __ ] vaccine you're such a

[ __ ] idiot hey but you what you're

doing is you're deciding on your own

volition that

it's not the way that i'm saying it is

which is that the majority are not

against it and you're just saying they

are against it and all the numbers don't

bear what you're saying they

are against it

okay well look the majority of the

country got vaccinated okay i don't know

and what on what argument or what uh

ideology jimmy dora also got vaccinated

okay sure a lot of the people who you

are calling right wingers skeptical of

what the pharmaceutical companies are

saying about vaccines have gotten

vaccinated

there are reasons to be against

uh pharmaceutical companies

one of them is not their their ability

to create a [ __ ] vaccine

why it is not a salient argument to make

against

corporal against pharma corporations why

not so you know everything about how

these vaccines were made well i don't i

don't know exactly how they are made

i don't i don't question how my phone

works

you okay so you're just the dumb [ __ ]

idiot who doesn't question things

if my doctor tells me go drink these

pills i don't go investigating how they

produced how they researched i don't i

don't question any of that i grab the

pill and [ __ ] shove it in my mouth

well that's you

that's

what do you do bring a [ __ ] titration

device and start breaking down

does mark say that he wants to embark on

the ruthless criticism of all that's

existing and spare nothing from

criticism

i don't know fancy fancy quote i guess

fancy quote i guess so jimmy dore's

promoting

a spirit of criticism and critical

thinking and that's the problem that

makes him a right winger the problem is

the framing is anti-vaxxer

not let's be critical of corporations

and

pharma corporations if it was that if it

was that which i am that is what it is

that is what it's [ __ ] is you dumb

ass

you should get vaccinated okay because

the scientists behind making these

vaccines have no

have no like interest other than i guess

they're getting who pays them who pays

them

yeah yeah i got you but i got it i got

you i got it

i mean so so hold on did you know that

did you know that did you know that the

people

some of the people closest to the man if

the process of making those vaccines

were the ones who are most hesitant to

[ __ ] get it

you know what that wait repeat what you

just said the reluctance of nurses and

other people within the companies

who were actually

close to the process of how the they

know how these vaccines were made and

they know the process of how they were

vetted by the fda

because they were so close to it they're

scared to get the vaccines no that's not

true

that's not true

listen nurses know as much about how

these vaccines are made as much as i do

hold on it's not just nurses

it's not just nurses it's people who are

close to the decision-making process of

vetting the vaccines

and why it happened

are you like what are your implications

here that the vaccine is actually like

that you should be concerned about this

vaccine

is that your implication

i'm telling you that people have a right

to promote criticism of for-profit

manufactured vaccines or at least

critical thinking without you smearing

them as [ __ ] right-wingers or

whatever you're saying i'm not smearing

anyone i am not smearing anyone i am

just a racist there are silly arguments

and there are why do you hate black and

latino people there are salient

arguments why do you hate black and

latino people you don't even know what i

look like brother so why do you hate

black and latino people you don't know

what my heritage is or anything don't be

talking about why do you hate black

latino people i am telling you that

black people have a reason a latino

people i have no clue uh and there's no

hatred towards anybody they're just bad

reasons to do things and there's good

reasons to do things do you have a valid

reason to do i actually didn't ask you

about good listen you stupid brain dead

[ __ ] i didn't ask you about good or bad

reasons i asked you how you can justify

the claim that right winger is defined

by being anti-vaxxed when there's people

you're not willing to call right-wing

who are anti-vaxx i didn't say that

being right i didn't sing that i'm just

calling jimmy dora right-winger solely

on the basis of him making videos

skeptical of vaccines despite the fact

that

right winger i said he's a right-wing

grifter which what

and have yet to justify i am saying the

majority of this population that is

anti-vaxx i am going on a limb

and i could probably figure out a couple

of articles on this i'm going on a limb

and i would argue that if you're smart

you are you would come with me and say

that the right wing the majority of the

anti-vaxxers are right-wing does does it

make it their position essentially

right-wing

and type the anti-vax position

the position would you're calling

anti-vaxx what jimmy dore's saying

i am saying the position of being

anti-vaxx would it define that define

the anti-vax position

having

been against vaccinations without

actually knowing anything about the

process of vaccine

like so jimmy dore is not an anti-vaxxer

he is pandering to a how how how how

how how

how how how

repeating the talking points

of

antioxidant rhetoric

he's repeating the same thing you should

be questioning these things that you are

repeating the talking points of the ku

klux klan what the [ __ ] are you saying

man yeah you're condescendingly saying

black people don't know what's best for

them

how am i how is this being equated to

black people well because you're using

how much of an airy fairy meaningless

[ __ ] like the rhetoric sounds

similar they're using similar talking

points and it makes me feel in my tummy

the same way when i hear him in my tummy

it makes me feel the same way that's not

enough to justify the [ __ ] statement

that you're [ __ ] making

hey uh

well

here's the thing haas um you're [ __ ]

poofy you're [ __ ] bruce you're

[ __ ] punchy manager [ __ ] hey what's

your favorite calm down

okay that can incite people to do things

like attack the capital on the 6th of

january for example there's very

different oh oh oh

what about the summer of peaceful

protests in 2020

what about the summer of peaceful

protest what what caused more widespread

damage around the [ __ ] havoc and

destruction the [ __ ] one day on

january 6 or the protest in 2020 in the

summer which one

i don't know uh one billion dollars i

think it's the last class on the blm

protest that turned okay

but so so so why are you talking to me

right now about january 6th the nothing

burger of january 6th well because one

of them i mean it was a failed coup but

it was a cool

failed coup how

um

they tried to stop an electoral process

wow how by walking into a public

building right and riding in a public

building because they ride it in a

public building right

they attacked guards and went in so when

trump was elected did protesters not

attack guards and police

two in 2016 what about the protest in

2016 after trump got elected was there

any protests to undermine democratic

institutions yeah

like what happened in dc what happened

in dc on the day of trump's inauguration

in 2016 in 2017

i don't know a bunch of posters i don't

know i i don't know it's just the same

[ __ ] pretty much happened but were you

there was that your mom's [ __ ]

i knew that they made hats out of

excuse me what did you say

i asked you

click video show us what you look like

there it is look at me look what an ugly

[ __ ]

eyes what an ugly [ __ ] you literally

look you can become my channel you guys

have to see this you guys really have to

see this

hold on i want to show you guys with

this guy he literally looks like goofy

from [ __ ] mickey mouse you guys got

to see this that's pretty good

i've never heard that one before

literally an ugly [ __ ]

hey

your argument is only based on dumb

stuff like

look at how he looks i'm going to mimic

how he looks from now on give me give me

a sec that's pretty good i'm going to

show you what this guy looks like that's

pretty good

i got to move my my camera

showing all my your mom's dildos

oh my bad i'm sorry guys i apologize

what is that what are you showing

no i just wanted to make sure i didn't

have your mom's dildo in camera is that

no i just put it away don't worry i

changed the angle

we're good now what

what

what did you show

i did i didn't show

as i was explaining to you you got

[ __ ] destroyed yeah

absolutely obliterated hey listen here

people

can have bad arguments and protest okay

and i believe that the majority of the

right-wingers not the majority i'm sorry

the majority of the anti-vaxxers are

right-wingers okay

and those people had a bad reasoning for

being for protesting okay are you in the

in favor that has nothing to do with the

arguments at hand that has nothing to do

with the arguments no no no there is

there is because wait which is what

which is what i told you so you have to

understand you brought up

charlottesville as an example

charlotte's bill in no way was

representative of any significant

portion of the population of the

american people but the protest that

you're seeing in new york or thousands

and thousands are pouring out on the

streets even the indicative of some kind

of widespread popular discontent and

rejection of the mandates how is that so

hard for you to [ __ ] understand

is there a justification

is there a justification for what for

the majority of people being against it

for the majority of the people being

against but you're the one who said you

believe in democracy you stupid [ __ ] so

if you want to start going against the

majority you don't believe in democracy

hey i am in favor

of democracy and i am saying that if the

majority are against this the they

should vote all their representatives

that are voting against their own

interests

but the reality of things is which is

which is what they're gonna do in 2022

by voting red

uh they're going to be

yeah but that's another dynamic that

doesn't much have to do with these

vaccine mandates oh really so so hold on

the midterm voting patterns are not

going to have anything to do with

vaccine mandates well i'm sure i'm sure

that there will be some influence in the

elections on people oh just some

influence right

well i mean yeah there's a bunch of

reasons right there's a bunch of regions

mickey mouse looking [ __ ] chucky

cheese looking [ __ ] right okay yeah yeah

come down there

i will say

that

um the reason for the right wings still

maintaining a foothold in in politics

and being in control of so many uh

local

um

senates and and whatnot is because of

gerrymandering and if there was it's all

gerrymandering it's all gerrymandering

is that why the mayoral elections were

lost by the democrats just a month ago

gerrymandering right in virginia yeah

i mean that's

part of um no i don't think that was

gerrymandering but they're what about

elsewhere it wasn't just virginia by the

way hold up is gerrymandering not an

issue you're saying what the [ __ ] are

you saying

you are going to blame gerrymandering

for the huge shift that's going to take

place of people voting for the

republicans gerrymandering is one of the

many reasons for having this

anti-democratic system that we do have

you stupid [ __ ] you stupid [ __ ] you just

said that people should vote against the

vaccine mandates if they're against them

one of the ways they're going to do that

is by voting red in 2022. and you just

said when there's going to be a red wave

the main reason is because of

gerrymandering

i'm saying that there's many reasons for

it and i'm telling you that if it wasn't

because of things like gerrymandering

the filibuster the senate that is

undemocrat and unrepresentative of like

the swaths of the population so

it makes it so that like

rural areas somehow have more say

in in politics than urban areas all

these anti-democratic

institutions

why are you rambling like a stupid left

democrat little liberal [ __ ] can you

[ __ ] stay on the plot because you

just lost the plot you stupid [ __ ]

nothing that you're [ __ ] saying is in

any way [ __ ] relevant to the argument

i just [ __ ] brought up about how what

you are doing is advocating for people

to [ __ ] vote republican you stupid

[ __ ] you just want to keep rambling to

flex your [ __ ] knowledge about left

field democrat talking points about the

[ __ ] electoral system and it has

nothing nothing to [ __ ] do with

anything that was [ __ ] said

i can't understand you when you're

playing i don't give a [ __ ] if you can't

understand me little [ __ ] you seem like

you sound like you didn't understand a

goddamn thing that was said throughout

this entire conversation there are many

reasons

for this right

uh this red wave that that's going to

happen on 2022 okay one of many of those

reasons is that the democrats are

ineffectual status quo maintaining

right wing hold on hold on in virginia

in virginia the democrat who the

republican was up against was a

progressive

no he was not yes he was he was a

progressive

no he was literally against bernie

sanders he was a progressive why did

bernie lose then why did bernie lose

what he he he

i think he went for um

he endorsed clinton he was against like

he even talked against bernie what are

you talking about why did bernie lose

then

what how is that

why did bernie lose because some guy in

virginia who is wasn't a progressive you

just said the reason the democrats lose

is because they're not progressive

enough they're too established

it's because it's anti-democrat no i'm

saying that the biden administration is

doing everything for the for the status

quo

so the establishment okay then why

couldn't bernie win then why did bernie

lose twice why did bernie lose twice why

did bernie lose twice why did bernie

lose twice why did bernie lose twice

window is moving left okay he lost

because of many institutionalized

reasons okay

the democratic parties are [ __ ] a

bunch of scumbags that is one of the

reasons why he lost okay okay so we're

going back in this npc dialogue because

you're a stupid sleepy drowsy [ __ ] so

let's actually reign it back in

people are against the vaccine mandate

people are against the backseat mandate

people are against the vaccine mandate

you said they should vote for people who

are against the vaccine man who are the

people against the vaccine mandate

that they can vote for

do you hear me

you hear me

answer the question

hey listen

i gotta put my microphone so you can

hear me

can you hear me

answer the [ __ ] question

hold up

can you hear me hello what a literal

dumbass

he's literally playing technical

difficulties games because he doesn't

want to answer the question

he's thinking guys give him time to

think

can you hear me give him time to think

give him time to think

can he hear me can i hear him give him

time to think he's thinking let me pee

let

me oh my god i've never seen this

he's he's going to pee and he's going to

go on his phone to look up an argument

but he's going to go on reddit vows read

it guys i'm really in a tough spot right

i'm literally in front of my computer i

can look up anything i want i'm really

in a tough spot right now guys i can't

answer hans's question i'm really in a

tough spot can you help me

i'll give you i'll give you one call and

call in one of your boss buddies and ask

them to answer how to debate brain dead

people

what's that okay wait wait wait i'm

looking for the reddit article

yeah go ahead look for the reddit

article

phone a friend you can phone a friend i

can phone a friend no who are the people

that are going to be opposed to vaccine

mandates that the electorate can vote

for can you listen to me can you hear me

sorry english is not my first language

so you're conceding the debate you just

lost what do you mean is that it you

can't answer the question how did i lose

what happened you're not answering the

question back from the bathroom brother

you have no argument you didn't answer

the question

uh

what's the question

you said they should vote for people who

represent their interests in opposing

the vaccine mandates true or false

through i said that if what party will

those people be in

that they're going to vote for

the republicans okay

the majority was that hard to answer

no i don't understand what so if i'm

right that the majority of people are

against the mandates

i'm not saying the majority are against

the mandates but if i'm right and they

are

they're going to vote for republicans

oh sure

you're you're saying that so what do you

have to say to that

okay

the the thing i have to say against that

is that

republicans okay which are a minority

um are gonna win because of many

institutionalized reasons a lot of which

that has nothing to do with what i said

that has nothing to do with what i said

let me finish a lot of it has to do with

how our system is working which is un

undemocratic

and a lot of it has to do with a crack

back from the elections how our system

works

what about when obama had the

presidency and the other two branches of

government

what what about that

why didn't that get in the way

why didn't he do anything

why didn't this uh republican the reason

republicans win is because the system's

rigged in favor of them okay then why do

democrats

win sometimes sometimes people do give

democrats a [ __ ] chance

well hold up hold up democrats are

ineffective trash okay stacks since

you're a stupid [ __ ] and i literally

have to [ __ ] your skull in real time let

me explain it to you like this dax let

me explain to you the things you're

talking about that give republicans an

institution the things republicans do

that give them an institutional

advantage to put it in your [ __ ] soy

[ __ ] [ __ ] voice

those have been around forever

yes so how are you going to explain

the

unprecedented red wave in 2022

well you are it's not always a red wave

it wasn't a red wave in 2020 it wasn't a

red wave in 2012 it wasn't a red wave in

2008 so why are we seeing a red wave in

2022 specifically specifically

specifically why we still haven't seen

it but i assume that it will happen why

specifically why specifically why

specifically why

is specifically why yeah okay

is english is not your first language i

sure hope not specifically why

specifically why listen specifically

yeah

there are many reasons specifically what

is the reason no but you're uh you

shouldn't give reasons that have been

here forever because they have no

explanatory value for a specific

situation

every time

that there is a change in executive

administration

there is a crack back from the other

party that takes control usually of the

other oh like in 2018

well didn't that exactly happen no it

didn't

there was no blue wave there was no real

blue wave we took control of the of the

house you didn't take the senate

okay we we the republicans are going to

take both the house and the senate next

year

sure thing okay listen

not every year is the same not every

crack back is the same

whatever the case may be i am telling

you this

there are reasons to be ex skeptic of

pharmaceutical companies

one of them is not how they made this

vaccine

do you know

i'm just saying that what's this how do

you know how do you know how do you know

what's what would be the incentive to

make a bad vaccine

it's not that there would be an

incentive to intentionally make it bad

it's that there would be an intention to

rush it out on a for-profit basis where

you're the well-being of the people is

not your one number one priority profit

is

i understand that now there's like three

so it would be insufficiently attentive

to the health needs of the people no

longer okay so you're still concerned

about it like like 20 years i'm giving

you a legitimate reason about why people

might question pharmaceutical companies

no listen that's not the reason why this

is this is not a criticism so what's the

reason what's the reason what's the

incentive for

what's the what's the reason then what's

the reason they've been propaganda why

well i don't know what the incentive for

the [ __ ] that started this well why

did you ask me the [ __ ] incentive for

the [ __ ] pharmaceutical companies you

stupid [ __ ]

well i'm asking i'm telling you what the

insane like and how much more student

debt do you have to pay off the argument

i have no student the argument is so

idiotic that the pharmac that you would

make about pharmaceutical companies like

there's so many things that you could

criticize for example that why is it

idiotic

that they would make a bad a bad vaccine

that they would yeah why why is it

idiotic okay here's the thing it's

idiotic because you

don't question

any medicine until this now

well not you but the figurative you the

the you that would be against vaccines

because all of a sudden you're concerned

about the methods that they use to

generate this vaccine okay people people

do you know that most people do not use

health care liberally in general in this

country

i don't know and people do question

things like gmos and

things all the time that they you take

for granted people do question that [ __ ]

it's the pushback from the questioning

that has accelerated people's paranoia

about it it's precisely because there's

so much sense what is your solution guy

the solution is to have a free fair and

open discussion about this

okay but what you're saying is like

without ideological smears and talking

about this is right-wing this is

whatever no you should give people the

chance to be able to argue this and your

pushback is only making them more

paranoid and if you're right you should

be able to defend that openly if you're

right yeah perhaps there are there are

salient arguments like what what what do

you say to a

intolerant person that is against gay

people that is against black people that

is against women like

what do you what do you tell them

what do you tell them well i i don't

know i i wouldn't be tolerant of the

intolerant like i am intolerant so

according to you someone who has

skepticism toward vaccines is the

equivalent to someone who is intolerant

of gay people and black people yeah i

don't i don't let anybody there you just

said yeah you just said yeah no i didn't

hear exactly what you said what i'm

saying is if you're intolerant of black

people and gay people i am intolerant of

you i don't care about the arguments

though so are our vaccines a protected

class

no but i'm saying if your arguments are

like

unfounded i am not going to how do you

know they're unfounded you have to prove

they're unfounded so your your argument

was not actually based on uh knowledge

when you said that you don't want to be

tolerant of the intolerant it's based on

morality right you're saying something

based on morality so it doesn't require

any knowledge about black people or gay

whatsoever it's just the fact that

they're other human beings that they're

part of your moral system right when

you're talking about vaccines you're not

just talking about morality you're

saying you know that they're wrong how

do you know they're wrong

how'd i i don't know that they're wrong

i don't know i don't know i'm just a

[ __ ] sheep i know that they're not

founded like you can how do you know how

do you know how do you know

although if you say you know if this is

why i brought up the intolerance to the

intolerant if

for example racists or white

supremacists say that they are superior

to black people thank you

why okay they say i'm superior to black

people because of x or y their skulls

are smaller or they you know the melanin

gets in the way or whatever they may say

okay

those arguments you want to entertain i

am saying i am not going to entertain

wait you don't entertain those arguments

because on the basis of morality because

it's about morality you stupid [ __ ] not

science it's about morality when you're

talking about vaccines it's not the same

thing

it's well it is just admit this for me

go ahead and admit this for me when i

say it when i say it when i say it's

going to make your [ __ ] wet right when

i say because it's going to be so true

you're going to be so open to what i'm

saying right now because it's so [ __ ]

true it's going to you're going to feel

like something's inside you right that's

how it's going to feel let me tell you

what you're basically just saying you're

drawing a line around your liberal

discourse everything outside of your

liberal discourse you're not going to

entertain it because it threatens your

ideological worldview anything inside of

your discourse makes you comfy and cozy

because it reaffirms your sense of

safety guarantee and comfort about what

you think this world is

there are arguments that are sailing i

can entertain them as in hey let me see

why are you against that vaccine what is

oh okay i am concerned about the vaccine

because it's been out too

too little time they they just pushed it

they uh it's just the pharmaceuticals

trying to make money i i listen i hope

you never tell people you're vaccinated

because you are the worst ex

i hope you don't though because because

because imagine if these conspiracy

theorists look at you like will i become

like a dumb [ __ ] like dax if i get

vaccinated

but they get to [ __ ] your mom

what did you say

you just heard me why do you make me a

republican no no let me ask you a

question so would you say that to my

face ask your mom you would say that to

my face

i mean i would say it to your dumb face

yeah you would say to my face i mean

really

oh maybe maybe to be nice i wouldn't i

don't know would you say that to my face

yeah

like are you saying like on on the basis

of me being what scared of you

i think so oh dude i would totally tell

you that you would

yeah okay

what if i told you you might have it for

my what if i told you you might have an

opportunity to say it to my face

i mean

sure

where you at where's my opportunity

what state are you in ask ask your mom

for we might we better have an in-person

debate where you could say this to my

face so what state are you ask

your mom are you scared hey listen

are you scared

i have all sorts of stuff going on for

which i couldn't uh entertain this

opportunity unfortunately

it sounds like you're a little bit

scared

i'm totally scared why are you scared

we're just gonna have an in-person

debate i'm quivering in your mom's boots

okay listen yeah you [ __ ] [ __ ] hey

by the way by the way your mom my

[ __ ] [ __ ] is down her [ __ ] throat

whenever i want by the way your mom

would actually [ __ ] me that's the

difference your mother would actually

[ __ ] me my [ __ ] would actually be inside

of her [ __ ] and she would squeal she

would squeal in pleasure over the fact

you understand so you're you're making

your mom joke and joking your mother

would find me actually irresistible your

[ __ ] mother would actually find me

irresistible she would actually choke on

my [ __ ] [ __ ] is the [ __ ]

difference

i hope your [ __ ] is better than your

arguments because yes as [ __ ] yeah yeah

what are you gonna you're gonna talk

about arguments as if you've had a

single [ __ ] argument this whole

[ __ ] time that hasn't been destroyed

what arguments have you [ __ ] brought

forth you can't even rub two [ __ ]

brain cells together for if your life

[ __ ] depended on it what arguments

have you [ __ ] made every intelligible

argument in your stream today has been

from me

really every intelligible argument has

been from you really and everything yeah

all you've done is pivot like for

example when i asked you why is jimmy

dore right wing

people are right-wing but it's like a

form of propositional logic that

wouldn't hold as a logical [ __ ]

argument even if the majority of [ __ ]

vaccinated people are right wing and

jimmy dore is supposedly getting an

audience of anti-vaxxed people you

failed to demonstrate or prove the

essentiality of right wing you haven't

proved it's essential that's why i've

been trying to get around this whole

[ __ ] time and you failed every step

of the [ __ ] way you stupid dumb

[ __ ] dog [ __ ] for brain [ __ ]

listen here

jimmy dore is a communist

dude he keeps circling back you don't

even know what communism is

you don't even know what communism is

listen here i don't know what communism

hold on you said you've made every

intelligible argument right but we're

going down a dialogue loop tree where

i'm guiding you through [ __ ] we've been

over before

because when i catch you in a [ __ ]

moment you pivot every time i catch you

you pivot every time i ground you you

pivot that's what you do you pivoting

[ __ ] you pivoting [ __ ] [ __ ]

i don't know what pivots you're talking

you pivoting [ __ ] [ __ ] ask your mom

about the [ __ ] pizza pivots like when

i turned her around and [ __ ] threw

her against the [ __ ] wall ask your

mom about the [ __ ] pivots

when i carried her around my bedroom and

turned around every every which way and

[ __ ] her from every angle possible and

i pivoted every single [ __ ] angle

your [ __ ] simps were mad that i was

making your mom jokes okay yeah it was

maybe i was making your mom jokes but

your mother would actually [ __ ] me is

the difference i don't know your mother

would actually [ __ ] me i can't believe

dax was making your mom arguments that's

when he lost and you're just making them

but i can't but your mother would

actually [ __ ] me

yeah totally okay she would she really

would she totally would she actually

would she actually would [ __ ] you too

man i actually could [ __ ] your mother i

would [ __ ] you too i your mother

actually would let me [ __ ] your jawline

is pretty hot i gotta admit

you look like a deformed creature from a

[ __ ] experiment you look like an ugly

[ __ ] oh no

well there goes my chances okay yeah um

here's the thing in the why i'm

criticizing you is that

i heard your your is that hake hake is

that uh that guy

on your stream i don't know is that her

name

now the grand finale is this

are you aware of some of the comments

vaush made you're a vosh fan right

uh

i'm sure yeah so you think voss is a guy

to listen to and he's a you know he's

he's someone to watch well some things

he says are are

beyond what i would say are okay but

yeah what like what what does he say

that you don't find okay uh the tactical

n word that he talks about oh

um

so why do you follow and watch

people who advocate for pedophilia

advocates for pedophilia yeah

do you advocate for pedophilia because i

follow you too no but you actually are

following someone who said things like

he wants child sex robots in the future

and he thinks he said that yeah

okay he also made a lot of comments in

destiny's discord

um alluding to

the fact

that i'm not tying my entire moral

premises you're not you're not you're

not so are you going to defend vaj for

the [ __ ] he said

i wasn't even did this

what about what about when vows said

what about when vows said there is

nothing morally wrong with consuming

child pornography

he said that yes he did

okay taking you at face value that's

i don't know why we're talking about

wash exactly

well that's how you found me isn't it

because you're you're a voss viewer and

you're evolving

thanks to hippy dippy

you're a no you're a vows fan that's how

you found me today

that's how that's how you manage to

muster that's how you manage to muster

the courage

that's how you manage to muster the

courage to say

that that i said that jimmy dore was a

communist because that's what vaush said

that i said

no no so if you if you look out how long

i've been following you i've been

following you

since i saw you on hippie dippy okay

yeah but today you came on because of

valsha's coverage of me today i came on

yeah because i was bored and because

that was wrong

i was bored followed channel because i

was bored

so so do you have a humiliation fetish

do you like being destroyed and

conquered and dominated i don't think

that that's what happened here today oh

really how do we measure that one's in

the chat if i dominated him twos if uh

if that's not what happens

i'll write one two look do i have 100 do

i have 680 simps

i just i just wrote so hold on do i have

an army of 680 sims wait can i ride one

again

one

do i have an army of six do i take that

take the spam thing off so i can do one

again okay do i have an army of six

hundred and eighty simps hey shut the

[ __ ] up that's just why i have an army

of 680 sims

you have bad ticks you seem to be saying

things like

you know jimmy dore is a communist and

yeah i never said that i never said that

you said that

then roll it back and give us a direct

just like how mark said that communism

is the equal distribution of resources

right

that says exactly what communism is i

didn't say that i told you it's theory

and yeah i told you to cite some theory

and there is none but what do you want

me uh like i don't memorize quotes like

you do well why do i need to memorize

quotes can i you don't have to memorize

anything just give me one one thing that

substantiates one piece of authority

that makes your description legitimate

but so you here listen the only way that

this argument of yours is makes sense

yeah i can't do it he can't do it he

can't fight i'm doing it wrong about

what i said communism is but you're

telling me communism is not what i said

it was inequitable distribution no it's

not no it's not equitable no no it's not

because it's nowhere to be found by any

major community because there is no

major communist thinker who has said

anything remotely close to that listen i

got you but i've seen policies in

different countries including

like what where there's a distribution

of wealth in a way

okay then how are they how do you

justify the association with communism

well that's those are communist ideals

communism where do you get that from

like

theory

what theory tell me what this theory

you're referring to is is it your theory

no it's marxist leninist you know

then cite something cite one thing in

das capital that confirms this theory

you say your communist name every

communist sentence is that you is that

these is that the equivalent of what i'm

asking you to do okay let's let's yes

it's it is the equivalent no it's not

the [ __ ] equivalent no matthew for

one sentence the bare minimum of

anything from das capital that justifies

your description of communism i didn't

ask you for everything i asked you for

one thing i asked you for one article of

evidence one article of evidence one

article of evidence

definition britannica ideology communism

political and economic doctrine that

aims to replace private property and a

profit-based economy with public

ownership and communal control of at

least the major means of production and

the natural resources of society what

wherein even even if we accepted

britannica's definition even if we

accepted the authority of the [ __ ]

britannica scholars

communism is thus a form of socialism a

higher and more advanced form according

to its advocates exactly how communism

differs from socialism has long been a

matter of debate hey you stupid [ __ ] you

stupid mumbling stomach

hey you stupid

the [ __ ] dictionary that you just

cited instead of the actual communist

thinkers even if we accepted that one

accepted

billions

and profit-based economy with the public

ownership and communal control communal

control of at least the major means of

production and the natural resources of

our society well i have the mutual

control you stupid npc [ __ ] you stupid

[ __ ] your ugly stupid [ __ ] face

produces nothing but stupid ugly things

nowhere in that definition do you hear

anything about the equal distribution of

resources nowhere nowhere nowhere

nowhere nowhere nowhere nowhere nowhere

your elitist [ __ ] i was using the

knowledge i have on the theory to what

theory okay what theory what theory

where you cited the definition as an

example of theory the definition doesn't

add up i talked about it without giving

you the definition until now because you

keep pretending like it is inherent you

go on you kept saying okay come on

stupid [ __ ] stupid [ __ ] stupid [ __ ]

stupid [ __ ] stupid [ __ ] stupid [ __ ]

stupid [ __ ] you said you said you said

the theory i said what theory you have

given me nothing to this day

so after three hours you've given me

nothing do you want like what am i

supposed to say one thing one thing that

one source of evidence one piece of

evidence just one

okay so let me see let's

check it out communist

country

slash policies

let's see let's see if i'm uh

if i am even close let's see

so

um and this is theory right this is your

you're going to cite some theory no no

no no i told you from das capital

where okay i am specifically challenging

your claim about that

listen listen

there's all sorts of

like okay

you're not going to cite it to me do you

remember vaguely vaguely described to me

how does capital talks about the

distribution of resources equally

vaguely recollected yeah by by the um

by the abolition of private property

yeah vaguely describe that to me where

marx is talking about the distribution

of resources what do you want me to like

open the book like memorize the book now

know the book now if you don't reference

a sentence oh you said you read dust

capital i want the bare minimum where

in what way does capital advocate for

the equal distribution of resources

um where you

abolish private property

how does that follow how does it follow

first of all where does mark say the uh

abolition ops fong in german rather than

alfie alfred sublation of private

property second how does that connect to

the equal distribution of resources

um

i don't know that it's a very like

dogmatic way of seeing things is that it

has to be the equal distribution but it

is in most cases an advocacy for the

equal deduction i'm just asking where

you're getting that from

am i wrong like uh yeah you are wrong

but where are you getting where are you

getting it from

enlighten me

because this whole thing was for you to

make an argument right if i'm wrong no

this whole thing no no you you can't

seem like you're not you didn't come

here posturing as my student you came

your power string as a challenger which

means you should be informed enough to

know about what communism is before you

get in my [ __ ] vc and try to argue

and challenge me about my understanding

of who is and isn't a communist

well i can tell you that

from the

from the very basic definition that i

found in britannica i can tell you

that uh jimmy dore doesn't fall in the

category of trying to push for social

socialist policies that would extend to

communism if he is trying to advocate

that's the worst argument to make i mean

even if i were to entertain the idea

that britannica is the authority on what

communism is not

but even if i even if i conceded that to

you and even if i conceded the idea that

being a communist means advocating for

social policies which ultimately will

lead to communism actually every single

policy jimmy dore does advocate for is

that he is the he's a medicare for all

fanatic he promoted medicare for all

marches which the squad and the rest of

the so-called socialists like yourself

and vows derided him for jimmy dore has

been an ardent advocate for the closest

thing to mainstream socialist as you put

it policies in the u.s that we can even

think of every single [ __ ] one

um if he

so here's the thing right if you have a

pivot that is a right-wing pandering you

become a right-wing pander so does jimmy

is jimmy dore against medicare for all

uh i don't know what is his views on

economic policy are they right-wing too

no clue i don't know

but you called him a right winger so why

does jimmy jordan curiously have these

very left wing

i called him a right-wing grifter and

what yeah i mean yeah but that's curious

it's curious that he's it's cured listen

you stupid [ __ ] you know why you're a

dumb stupid [ __ ] because even fat ass

[ __ ] like vaush will try and say like

oh he's a nazbal which means he's

economically left but he's socially

conservative which he's not

i'm socially conservative by the way

you are out here just calling him a

right winger how i am in what universe

i am saying he's a grifter

okay who's not what's an example of

someone who's not a grifter on the

internet

i don't think you're a grifter okay well

who else

uh i don't think hassan abby is a

grifter hassan's not a grifter

why not

uh because he doesn't seem to be

changing his positions his ideological

positions based on

personal gain

really

for example if oh wait wait hold on

really

yeah for example if for example

okay and he stopped advocating for

taxing rich wait wait wait right

first of all first of all first of all

before we talk about that

how about i show you a video of hassan

from 10 years ago where he's talking

about teaching people how to spit game

and he's saying a lot of really weird

sexist predatory stuff

frat boy type of [ __ ] what about do you

think he would say that today

um

i i think that you can have bad takes

and not be a grifter and then change

your takes and not be a grifter so how

do you tell your difference how do you

tell the difference if you're doing it

for uh like interests that are not your

own how do you know how do you know

what what who would have been interested

in him doing that on changing his uh

views

the the left-wing [ __ ] echo chamber

yeah but he it's like a fight and he

wouldn't get he would get canceled today

if he did that why would he

are you kidding me yeah that's i

understand that but if i have a position

and i change it based on my own

interpretation right if i say like so

how do you know how do you tell the

difference i was i was homophobe before

now i'm no longer homo how do you how do

you know the difference

if you're

doing it for

capital interest if you're doing to make

money i think okay so hassan admitted

that he was transphobic years ago

okay me too so okay so hassan according

to you

does does he gain more or less money

by disavowing his transphobic views

that wouldn't

that's not what i'm saying

that's nice would he still have 50 000

subscribers on twitch listen that's not

beautiful would he still have 50 000

subscribers on twitch i don't know what

you're saying i'm telling you that if

you

change your views

based on someone else's interest because

you're getting paid to do so then that's

bad okay you change your mind so okay

okay okay okay okay and i'm telling you

that hassan has changed his views

because of the

interest of the democratic establishment

what no he changed his mind we probably

like and i'm sorry i said i was

transformed i don't mean that i'm

transferring i just don't understand

transgender but i'm not transfer the

same way i'm not home about but

um

i am saying i for example don't

understand things like transgender so

who's paying so

nobody's paying me to be and to be so

but but jimmy dore's being paid jimmy

dore's being paid to voice skepticism

against the pharmaceutical companies i

am saying that jimmy dore

okay

might be posturing himself to be

to shift like

uh dave rubin did what is stupid [ __ ]

what is stupid [ __ ] what do you mean

dave dave rubin was bought off

right

so is jimmy dore being bought off i'm

saying that he's posturing himself to do

so by who

whoever buys off uh

dave rubin

okay you think jimmy dore is doing that

i think he's posturing himself on the

basis of what evidence

that he's pandering to a right-wing

audience

which is anti-vaxx

he's pandering to a right-wing audience

how how is he pandering to them because

of the anti-vice position which is the

majority right winger is is is that

jimmy's own position or is he just doing

it to pander i think he's doing it to

panic how do you know how do you know

how do you know because not 12 months

ago he had a different position than

what he's abscribing now but hassan also

had a different position than what he's

subscribing to now years ago in your

mind as i said before you can change

your mind and not be so so what's the

difference then he changed his mind

brother there's new ones okay

there are reasons to do so that would be

self-interested okay that would be

something then how do you how do you

know if it's self-interested or not how

do you tell the difference

based on what somebody else is telling

you so if somebody else is saying you

should say this and you say okay

then you

are if you change your mind on the topic

because somebody else paid you then you

are aggressive who paid jimmy dore

i am saying i am saying i am saying who

paid him

shift

okay

so you just said jimmy's a grifter and

hassan's not but this is the same

[ __ ] situation i wouldn't i don't

think you're a grifter for example you

said but jimmy's a grifter and hassan's

not but it's the same [ __ ] situation

i don't think that you're doing you have

these takes and i don't what are you

doing

what a little somebody's stupid [ __ ]

stupid [ __ ] same [ __ ] i don't

think

guys one for the chat if this guy just

doesn't have a brain he's literally just

a stupid [ __ ] literally just a stupid

[ __ ] who doesn't understand that you

just

[ __ ] were confronted with the same

circuit of logic as applied to hassan

but for a mysterious reason that has yet

to be clarified it doesn't apply to

jimmy dore only hassan gets a pass not

jimmy dory

man here's the thing

not that

one gets a pass and the other doesn't

okay

life is nuanced you see and there are

are there are arguments that you can

make for one over so make them

i am telling you i don't see

that hassan well in this case hassan i

just chose one i also chose you i don't

know why we're not talking about you but

i guess hassan is not changing his

position based on

personal interest

of like somebody getting paid for

example

but on the same basis that you say jimmy

dore's changing his views on the basis

of personal interest of getting paid i

can apply that same reasoning to hassan

telling you for example something he

didn't change can you address that

argument can you address that argument

yeah right now

he has a house he's become a millionaire

and he's like you know what i'm still

advocating for higher taxes for the rich

yeah but that's not that's not the

comparison i was using hold on

that's not the comparison i was using

jimmy dore also got a house and he's

still advocating for higher taxes on the

rich so that's not the [ __ ] argument

i was using now was it i was saying that

hassan has adopted all these woke lefty

positions for personal interest and

personal gain it has the same amount of

merit as the claim you're making that

jimmy dore adopted the anti-vaxx

position supposedly even though he

didn't in order to grift to right

wingers it's the same exact

circuit of reasoning but apparently

you're just only calling jimmy dore the

grifter

yes because he seems to have changed his

mind on a specific topic so

has hassan you literal stupid dumb [ __ ]

you actually stupid [ __ ] there's a lot

of people that changed their minds on

things well guys once in the chat if

this guy is so stupid it is actually

giving you an aneurysm and he is

literally like it's unbelievably [ __ ]

stupid am i the only one who can't

[ __ ] believe what i'm hearing right

now there you go i got to put one okay

so listen here's the thing right

there are arguments that are salient one

argument that is not salient is saying

i cannot discern any change of mind

whatsoever i can't ever

possibly determine which one is because

of grifting and which one is because of

an ideological you know yeah

enlightenment okay i cannot determine or

deserve yeah how do you determine and

discern those things can those okay so

it seems to you that those things cannot

exist either so my question to you is

can there be someone changing their

positions for personal gain interest not

because of ideology

yeah

okay and you do not think that jimmy

dore is doing that no

no okay and you do think that hassan

abby is doing that not necessarily no

i asked you

why you're saying jimmy dore is doing it

but not hassan i'm using your reasoning

i'm using your reasoning i repeated

myself multiple times not 12 months ago

this guy was specifically very not

anti-vaccine and hassan also changed his

views

on a number of things in the same

[ __ ] time span as well i know what's

happening now in society what's

happening now is a a harsh reaction

there's

you look like a five nights at freddy's

mannequin or some kind of i don't even

know if you're a human right you look

you're a [ __ ] npc you you don't like

you just keep saying the same thing am i

going crazy

my argument is that you're an npc

you are a [ __ ] npc and jimmy dore is

a communist hey listen he keeps

repeating the same thing jimmy dore's a

communist it's because it was when you

don't know what's coming i'm gonna give

you one last chance to redeem yourself

so far you've been [ __ ] you've been

utterly [ __ ] so this is your last shot

and your last chance if you cannot if

you cannot break through this [ __ ]

argument communism what what is every

communism in the world

okay listen you're an idiot okay hey hey

i'm an idiot i'm gonna i'm gonna mute

this dumb [ __ ] i'm gonna mute this don't

forget you're gonna mute this stupid

[ __ ] i'm sick of hearing the [ __ ]

sound of his [ __ ] voice he's

um

is this real life

i asked him for one example to j he left

what a [ __ ] [ __ ] what a [ __ ]

[ __ ] thanks for your balls by the way i

just took your manhood

i just took your manhood by the way

thanks for leaving i just took your

[ __ ] manhood you little [ __ ] [ __ ]

you little [ __ ] [ __ ] little [ __ ]

[ __ ]

you [ __ ] [ __ ]

utterly [ __ ] dominated and [ __ ]

humiliated

you're not even a man anymore you're not

even a [ __ ] man anymore for doing

that you're not even a [ __ ] man

anymore what a [ __ ] [ __ ] what a

literal [ __ ] [ __ ]

thank you paper win appreciate you thank

you so much paper win and thank you to

everyone else who subbed i didn't get to

it but this dude such a dumb [ __ ]

this [ __ ] who got [ __ ] verbally

destroyed

out of my chat little [ __ ] thank you

reaper the creeper

you had your chance to talk your [ __ ] in

my vc but you ran away so run aw run out

of my [ __ ] chat too your keyboard

wore your little [ __ ] [ __ ]

but this dude said name every communist

theater like mocking me when i asked him

to name one thing

one thing and he says name you say

you're telling me to name every [ __ ]

word in capital and memorize capital and

name everyone

am i insane am i insane am i [ __ ]

insane

thank you so much reaper the creeper

let's continue this vow [ __ ]

[ __ ] took so [ __ ] long let's continue

the [ __ ] vow [ __ ]

it's about made up words and false

ideals things like racism and just

division

is an angel of light and evil is subtle

it sounds good it's an imitation of

logic and morals so

oh merrick did you did you see

perspective philosophy's complete

meltdown on twitter how he was talking

about how just people should want um

punishment did you see that

i'm telling you man strongly disliking

me should be in the [ __ ] video i

should be in the dead that dude was just

[ __ ] exhausted exhaustingly [ __ ]

stupid just an exhaustingly stupid [ __ ]

sam because it predicts so many other

mental illnesses holy [ __ ]

he was like uh i don't understand the

point of rehabilitating murderers you

can't un-kill the victim all you should

want is vosh saying that anyone who

advocates

thank you for robbie

is boss saying thank you so much for

robbie appreciate you man is val saying

that every single person

who rejects the view of rehabilitative

justice has a mental illness

because that would mean the majority of

people in the u.s have a mental illness

there's punishment or something it's

like defending capital capital

punishment

very philosophy okay

that's the majority of people

it's an extremely reasonable thing to

believe in capital punishment in 2021

there's nothing mentally deranged or ill

about that at all okay much thinking

no he's insane there wait what does vows

know about philosophy why does he use

the word philosophy what does that word

mean to him

what is i think he's a what is he a

wikipedia philosopher he's a wikipedia

philosopher

yeah 100 as are all people who dislike

me hmm

you got to thank very much james right

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he's the platform from everything okay

you know what's so weird it's actually

[ __ ] unnerving

i've said this before

but why does vaush talk like destiny you

know what vosh is he's like a mentally

deranged destiny fan that got big but

he's still like a freak like a weird

destiny stalker type of guy like you

know how destiny does that thing where

he's like wait why is this ah okay and

he just like does that okay thing where

he's like where is it okay i saw okay

the world's stupid okay

he literally just it's a carbon copy

from [ __ ] destiny and it's so uncanny

thank you mid nates appreciate you man

thank you so much so much midnates

appreciate you man it's so weird isn't

that weird it's so [ __ ] weird

it's so weird

yeah i'll take i'll take pride in one

thing as much as i like debates and i

know i don't do them as often as you

guys want i'll try to work on that this

month but like i never go i never go

scraping the barrel you know what i mean

stefan has been platformed from

everything he's like he's like a nobody

now he gets like 5k i can't wait for

these lefties who think that

people getting the platform means

they're going to be irrelevant in the

long run because

like i said there's a whole shadow

internet out there which

you know

you have no idea you have if you think

that like every it's all the surface web

still dude you don't know what what

you're in for

that's literally the whole reason i

think my media theory analysis of q anon

is that like

as an ideological analysis what they

really mean by the storm is like

you have neglected the shadow web like

this

there's gonna be consequences as far as

like the nature of media is concerned

about that it's

it's not gonna stay as it is you know

views per bit shoot video you know

sure like the storm is internet 3.0

that's how i've always seen that you

know

i want to be honest i want to ramble too

much but um i think in the united states

this is one of the things that infrared

wanted to embark upon to kind of change

people's experiences

that there's a lot of confusion about

what communism meant in other countries

he's such like a clueless fat [ __ ] he's

just like he has his [ __ ] mouth open

he's like

huh

when he laughs

wait you're applying he just refers to

himself for several reasons there has

come to be this kind of confusion in

this country

this is something that fat ass does

often where he'll just be like i don't

know about things so i'm gonna like

you realize infrared's a collective of

11 people

so no i'm not infrared

he doesn't even try to not make himself

look stupid he just doesn't care if he

looks stupid or not like you know you

look stupid right you look stupid you

look stupid right now

does he does he not have any shame he

looks stupid

i've said multiple times it's a

collective of 11 people why do you not

care about looking stupid you literally

look like a dumb [ __ ]

association with communism in the

experience of communism in russia and

china existing communist states that's

right there's this association with that

with the current there there we go with

the destiny okay it's so weird this

guy's creepy he's like

i want to know like

the real vows is this

just those dead eyes that's all the real

vows is because this vash you're seeing

that's a simulation of destiny that's

like a complete form of copying destiny

it's like he's a skin walker it's like

he's he's walking in destiny's skin

but what when you take with the skin

away

what is there is my question like who is

the real vosh well you want to know who

the real vows is

he used to go by irish lady and he was

in destiny's discord and he used to talk

about child sex robots that's the real

vaj

um you know the deep state the

democratic establishment and george

soros the ngos and um the kind of davos

agenda for the great reset there's this

association between communism and these

things i think because in the united

states the democrats are considered left

and the republicans are considered right

so people just have this idea that

communism is just the like ultimate um

logical conclusion of the democrats or

agenda in reality i think when you um

in the proper context oh infrared is

like his brand he doesn't call himself

infrared okay okay gosh i didn't know

that

you will find that um

well for one there's a historical uh

tension between communism and religion

but that wasn't uh necessarily because

communism is inherently anti-religious

or even inherently atheists it was

because of the religious establishments

that communists were going up against

and their respective countries were

deeply rotten and corrupt to the core

they defended the interest of the very

corrupt ruling class and you know many

normal ordinary religious minded people

could even see that within these very

same religious establishments you had

utmost cynicism and hypocrisy these

people that were occupying these uh

roles of religious power didn't actually

even believe in it themselves there

wasn't really any authentic faith there

for that reason communists uh had taken

in the very beginning a negative stance

toward religion but as the experience of

communism was able to mature more

especially now this this is true marx

was marx wasn't like anti-religion

explicitly he was anti-the way religion

as an institution organized religion uh

it was was used essentially to to

promise workers a reward in heaven as a

way of keeping them from getting too

invested in a reward on earth you know

the

opium of the masses etcetera etcetera

but marx wasn't like holistically

anti-theist i don't think you know this

is an example of a guy who's so stupid i

don't know like does being fat take away

from uh blood to your brain or something

i don't know this is a guy who's so

[ __ ] stupid that

not only is he wrong about what i said

and what i meant to say he's actually

also wrong about what marx said so it's

like he's two layers of wrong he's wrong

about what i meant he's also wrong about

what mark said that i was

referencing right

so

um to be clear

when marx talked about the opium of the

masses he was not talking about the way

in which religion was used by the ruling

class to deceive or

stupefy the workers that's something

lenin talks about explicitly but marx

was not talking about that

the passage opium of the masses

uh [ __ ]

i can't believe

i

is is that the critique of hegel's

philosophy of right

oh no is it the german ideology

um

i think it's the it's the critique of

the philosophy of right isn't it

los it's the introduction to the

critique of the philosophy of right

right

okay okay it's the critique of the

philosophy of right that's what i

thought initially

you have to understand that

marx was not making like some kind of

like political socio-political

commentary he was referencing the ways

in which religion

was becoming a relevant object of

philosophy at the time

uh

the scandalous conclusion of hegel was

splitting you know between the the young

hegelians and the right hegelians and

the young hegelians were going down the

path of a criticism of religion

marx by saying it's the opium of the

masses was not actually making the

argument that like oh religion is

deceiving workers from their true

interests

marx was saying that

all the illusory qualities of religion

in regards to the world

and the reason it's illusory for marx

he's coming from the perspective of

philosophy

is because in reality religion is a kind

of mythology it's it's wrong right we we

draw from the conclusion of the hegel

and the young hegelians and from german

philosophy marx says that the insight of

german philosophy is that man is the

highest essence for man so the question

is why do we still have this

form of estrangement

of man from himself in the form of

religious illusions right

and what mark says is that it's not

because of religion it's because our

world is warped in such a way

so as to make illusions necessary about

it he's saying

the form of religious estrangement and

alienation is a reflection of the

objective human alienation that is a

feature of our world itself

right so he's coming from the

perspective of philosophy he's not just

talking about organized religion he is

speaking about what he considered at the

time to be religion in general right yes

he was critiquing firebox criticism of

religion as idealist

precisely and the reason that leaves

room for ambiguity is because religion

was taken only in a purely philosophical

sense as a purely philosophical object

at the time the question of how religion

can feature into the insight of german

idealism that man was the highest

essence of man

of course the conclusion must

necessarily be atheist that religion is

false of course man is the highest

essence for man but that's only assuming

we consider religion strictly from the

perspective of philosophy the question

of the objective material significance

of religion

marx makes it leaves it ambiguous if

religion is

the heart of the heartless world and the

soul of soul's condition then religion

is interfacing with our humanity so to

speak with the essence of man

uh in ways

that

we have to be open to we can't just say

it's it's it's illusory right because we

have to what is the essence of man right

marx isn't claiming he knows that what

by what form do we relate to our own

essence as human beings right so that's

what i'm trying to say it's much much

more profound point than the like

standard kind of lefty view of like oh

organized religion is bad but i'm

spiritual or whatever right

so it's not what i'm talking about of

course marx was talking about religion

as such

he spit but that's he was doing it from

the perspective of philosophy the

practical consequences you can't say are

anti-religious i think

uh though plenty of you know plenty of

people on the left have been

historically kind of areas i think a

certain understanding has arrived that

between communism and this is the main

point forget about what marx said

philosophically in the present immediate

practical sense because that's hard to

grasp and very hard to understand matter

of fact if you don't have a background

in german idealism or the history of

western philosophy

please shut the [ __ ] up about what the

young mark said

for god's sake you're just going to

embarrass yourself and look like a

stupid [ __ ] if you don't have a

background in german idealism kant

shelling fikte

you know and then before then spinoza

and the rationalist if you don't have

like a background of a scholarly level

of understanding of these things please

just shut the [ __ ] up about the young

marks there's nothing from the young

marks that will ever be intelligible to

you if you don't get that

internationally in religion which allows

for a communism that has room for faith

not even have room for faith but it's

actually able to rediscover itself in

the history of uh the world's great

fates frederick angles uh marx is a

friend if you want to use uh toward the

end of his life he wrote about how in um

why does this stupid fat [ __ ] laugh

yeah i don't i don't know if a guy like

hake who doesn't really seem that

educated or his audience are aware of

who frederick angles is

was your undergrad in philosophy [ __ ] no

dude do you think i would entrust a

serious study of philosophy to the

[ __ ] university system just look at

university uh undergrad philosophy

students and look how stupid they are

the early stages of christianity you

found pretty much a very striking

parallel to the socialist and communist

movement in europe that the principles

and values of christianity um are

strikingly similar to those of the

communists i mean the president putin of

russia has pointed out that the uh the

code of communist builders which was the

soviet uh kind of like handbook for the

console youth uh he said all these

things are ready to be found in the

bible so around the world especially in

russia with this communist party and in

latin america and that's 1.25 and i hope

in the united states um communism has

not only been proven to be perfectly

compatible with faith but they appear to

even complement each other because uh

from the perspective of the world's

great questions we can see the kind of

corruption and decadence and inhumanity

uh the pakistan has brought upon the

people of the world and the way in which

this has to be yeah i think a really um

clear form of decadence is you vash i

look at you when i see decadence

you are actually an example of decadence

imagine if the sons

of any given society

had vosh as their model to look that is

[ __ ] decadence

gluttony is a form of decadence by the

way it actually is gluttony is a form of

decadence

to be addressed economically and

politically um

seems to be very much compatible and uh

similar to what the communists are

saying right now in regards to this

question of equality um i think there's

also confusion here too because never

wanted to make everyone absolutely equal

because sloth and gluttony absolutely

as marx angles and lenin point out

people are inherently different some

people have more skills than others some

people are smarter some people are

strong this isn't true in general so we

don't tommy's doing this is that

but i have citations and you don't you

don't you don't even know like that this

is coming from for example the critique

of the gotham program and the state and

revolution which lenin is citing the

critique of the gothic program like you

don't actually know about that right you

don't know about how

um

marks and angles in their letters

corresponding to one another talked

about this you don't know about how

angles in his letter to other people

mention the same point right

you wouldn't be able to like give

citations about what i'm actually

talking about i don't have this idea of

making everyone equal we just believe um

as far as equality is concerned no more

than what was written in um the

declaration of independence that we

believe uh that men and women were

created equal right which is what the

founding fathers of the united states

said and all that means that in so far

the government is going to serve the

interests of the people we're gonna have

a government okay hold on vouch he's so

educated he's gonna say no

that's

not really true

that's not really true

who else thinks it's not really true by

the way i want to know if there's anyone

here

thinks it's not really true

what if i told you

that angles actually made it explicit

that the entire association of communism

with equality

doesn't go any farther than bourgeois

formal equality

the reason communists are being

associated with equality

is because it comes from the bourgeoisie

engel's called equality a bourgeois

precept

the difference is that

most of europe at the time most of the

world at the time

had not yet undergone its bourgeois

revolutions

so communists were the ones taking up

the banner of equality

but it was something that came from the

the bourgeois liberal revolutions

actually

as far as uh communism is concerned it

doesn't go any farther than the formal

equality already inherent in the

bourgeois revolutions

formal equality formal equality it does

not extend the principle of formal

equality to the sphere of economics

that's the point

that's the entire point

now the reason communists are especially

insistent on these original values of

the bourgeois revolutions

it's precisely because communists view

the changes since then

as overgrowths on the bourgeois

revolutions monopoly capitalism

the union of the aristocracy with the

capitalist class that happened sometime

in the mid 19th century the compromise

that they arrived at between each other

um

you know

the rise of the banks and the rise of

the oligarchies and so on and so on all

of these things

basically may force the communists to be

defenders of

the principle of you know liberty and

this is what stalin said in his very

last speech he said it is up to you

communists if you want to win the

majority of your people and be the

patriots of your country to uphold the

banner of bourgeois freedoms because the

bourgeois governments are now trampling

upon them

so um the founding promise of the united

states is isn't really sort of a broader

doctrine of the left for a couple of

reasons okay

a broader doctrine of the left

what on earth does that [ __ ] mean

what on earth does that [ __ ] even

mean

um yes the founding document of the

united states is an integral part

of american communism

at least symbolically it represents the

bourgeois revolution the bouzou

revolution is a prerequisite to the

proletarian revolution

so yes

of course it does

the communist party

literally made it its goal to

defend the liberties and bill of rights

and things you know guaranteed by the

freedom of speech and all that [ __ ]

constitution

look there's a lot of discourse to be

had it's just formal equality formal

liberal equality

like the liberal notion of um

of human rights uh and the fact that no

human rights is a very recent invention

we're talking about

formal equality

formal equality it's very simple clearly

did not think that men and women were

created equal and you could also point

out that hake also doesn't think people

it doesn't actually matter what the

founding fathers personally believed

they wrote it on a piece of paper so

formally that's what they believed

formerly that's the foundation of the

institution of the republic formally and

that's what bourgeois quality is it's a

formal type of equality okay

to think that it's meaningless because

it's formal is just shows how little you

[ __ ]

know about history

marx and engels thought that the four

matters

were created equal in that respect

clearly because you know of his

political beliefs shut up about jack um

the the key distinction here is that

marx didn't really talk about equality

um he talked about um

he talked about what was enough fairness

freedom freedom thank you he talked

about freedom sorry like i said

he talked about freedom

i don't know what else to say to this

except citations

where did marx talk about freedom

actually if anything an emphasis on

freedom over equality would

is actually the notion of bourgeois

liberty it's it's liberty right

god knows what vaush means by freedom

here but

no

marx

marx didn't emphasize any of the three

precepts of you know the bourgeois

democracy liberty equality and

fraternity it's not like marx

was you know more on one no they're all

[ __ ]

they're all they're all the [ __ ] uh

ideological precepts of the bourgeoisie

maybe you could say marx talked about

he talked more about uh

the species being of like human beings

being able to realize

their own essence in reality

from the young marx maybe you can make

that case

i thought he was going to be smart when

i first saw this and i was like marx

more emphasized emancipation which is

true

um

marx and the social democrats that came

after him

used the rhetoric of emancipation and

they very often times com compared

the situation of the proletariat to like

the classical form of slavery

like spartacus was upheld as like a

proletarian hero it's this idea of

emancipation just tearing off the the

bonds and just

but emancipation is not the same as

freedom for example

freedom can mean you're able to make a

certain range of choices right but

emancipation means there is a very

immediate form of bondage that you want

to

break out of now what comes after you

know you don't know just like spartacus

you escape

what comes after wait who knows right

just escape first so it's emancipation

cognitive decline arc he talked about

freedom um the freedom for people to

live their lives absent any uh malicious

interference absent the control and

exploitation of their bosses um no he

didn't that's actually not i don't know

i think he start trying to refer to

marx's views on free association

but this is not what free association

means

um it's not about malicious intervention

or anything free association

you have to understand marx's humanism

to understand what that means but no it

doesn't mean

like i'm i'm free to be a fat lazy [ __ ]

and then no it's not what it means

marx and engels both believed

and they literally said this if you need

the necessary citations

that freedom and necessity are the same

there's a dialectic of freedom and

necessity freedom is nothing more than

insight into

necessity freedom is insight into

necessity that is the [ __ ] maximum of

marks and angles

um and and i think marks believe and i

think most of you you think you i've

please emphasize the think because

nowhere in marx are you gonna find any

substantiation of what you're saying

people in my community believe that such

an environment where people are free of

both in both the positive and negative

sense you're talking about bourgeois

liberty you're not talking about

emancipation

one where people would be more or less

equal now would everyone be exactly as

smart as everyone else would everyone

more or less equal no that's

what are you talking about be equally

capable of everybody no of course not

there would be huge goals and now that's

not even what what we're talking about

here it's not just that people would be

different like inherently

it's that

there would be different economic

outcomes

like for example and this is what marx

literally said about the lower stage of

socialism

people would be compensated differently

according to their abilities and so on

and so there would persist the

inequality right

later on there's no telling about

you know there's no telling that there

would be equality but there would be the

same more or less inequality bourgeois

inequality

but i think that you know for example

ceos being paid a thousand times as much

as their workers that [ __ ] would not be

happening in any system okay if you're

talking about like a hypothetical

communist society

a there would be no money um

i mean they're very clear about that

there would be no money no one would be

getting paid anything

and b

uh

that's a cultural prescription right

there's many cultural prescription

communist

states have taken up as like a

a cultural gesture of like a spirit of

equality but this is the same spirit of

bourgeois equality by the way more or

less but yes you know we're not going to

have this like monstrous level of

discrepancies in how people are getting

paid it's a spirit of fairness and

justice and so on but it's not the

essence of what socialism or communism

is you can have inequality and still be

a communist just not really culturally

but otherwise yes

people are free to act um

on their desires because only through

exploitation okay that that this is

that's where it gets weird right

what do you mean on their desires it's

like

okay hold on what

on their desires

people are free to act on their desires

i think he's he's confusing marx for uh

aleister crowley who said do as thou

wilt shall be the whole of the law

no that's not what free association

means whatsoever

free association for marx was referring

to a more organic form of social

intercourse

um

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as opposed to the forms of estrangement

that exists

in the form of the state right

the state is like a an absolute

universal line that imposes itself on

the whole of society now free

association is more like a kind of

bottom-up

way in which

social intercourse will happen

in no way does that have anything to do

with each individual just doing what

they want and realizing their individual

desires

all of the same sense of like limitation

of your desires and you know

following customs and rules and

traditions that would all persist

yeah

you know i think he's i think he's just

trying to shoehorn

his own pedo fantasies about acting upon

what we can infer to be at least one of

his desires in the past maybe he's

changed what we can discern from those

destiny logs is that he did express some

sort of desire

to have child sex robots in the future

it's just that he's trying to make that

compatible with marx for you know which

is obviously not true

could such gross inequality emerge so in

that case you know it's really about um

not so much equality but the equality

freedom could be get i mean by four and

other people it's not

what

is there much point debating someone

like hey who speaks entirely and

propagandist brainwashed no and this is

another one of the reasons why i don't

have as many debates these days i don't

find it fun to talk to people like yeah

because you're a fat [ __ ] you wouldn't

you wouldn't stand in a debate with me

you wouldn't last i mean i got can you

really imagine vosh holding his own in a

debate with me could you imagine him

holding his own in a debate with me like

just the sheer gap in knowledge

like between us both right

he could not he could not survive a

debate with me even a moderated debate

it'd be even worse if it was moderated

as a matter of fact like if i had a

chance to give my

to say what i gotta say

i mean he he tries to optically engineer

debates like

like an opponent will be saying

something completely and entirely

reasonable and this fat ass will just go

why are you laughing vox the bluff is

called what's so funny it's not

self-evident as if you think it is it's

not

you know

jf gary eppie stefan molyneux infrared

hake or any of these guys yeah it's the

gyno laugh anymore they're just very dim

this dude's very bad under pressure

that's the difference he's extremely

poor under pressure he does very very

poor under pressure

he does very poorly one moment

okay let's continue

and they don't think about any of the

stuff they say they have their talking

points they read them at you for a piece

of paper uh you can you can make

whatever dunks you want but they barely

even respond to them they just look at

you when have i ever read anything from

the only time i've ever read anything

from a piece of paper

was when i was know i was gonna be sleep

deprived because perspective philosophy

demanded i woke up

at a time that was unreasonable to me

to my sleep schedule so i woke up and i

the night before i prepared a note a

notepad

and i read off of it that's the only

time i've ever referenced the [ __ ]

any this dude that probably has notes i

don't even have notes i just go in

[ __ ] raw

you know

i don't know if voss could ever do

anything raw

because let's be honest if if there's

any woman that's willing to give herself

up the vosh

there's a very high chance she has an

std because

i mean valish probably has one but

you know they've probably been i mean if

you're gonna if you're willing to settle

for vows imagine what else you've been

willing to settle for right

so he can't go in raw like i go in but

you know because i actually get quality

you know what i mean

it's so weird when people try to insult

me like

let's compare who we can pull right i

don't even want to go to that territory

but we should compare that right all

your clout don't even make a difference

all your clout don't even make a

difference

you can't get what i get you know

pupils pointing in both directions um

you know what i mean it's low hanging

fruit and it's not even satisfying it's

like punching one of those it's like

punching one of those those those like

blow up clowns that just kind of like

bounce back this is an incredible

posturing from a guy who's

i've only ambushed you once since then

you've never ever like how how how how

have you ever prove have you ever proven

this

you've always been running away from me

since then

how am i the guy you're constantly

punching oh boy we just completely own

them the whole time how how

prove it

you're just saying things you can't back

up you're [ __ ] bluffing fat [ __ ]

back you know i would much rather talk

to people who actually seem to like

think about the things they believe

because at least then bosch is six two

he's not six two he's five eleven he's

six foot maximum he's not six two maybe

he's six foot

max maximum six foot don't give me that

he's six two type of [ __ ]

i have seen him next to destiny okay

destiny's

my height

he's not a head taller than that i've

seen him next destiny that's not six two

and

i've seen him next to destiny

thing is

at the time i don't know what destiny

looks like now but destiny was very slim

and skinny

so

he'd tower over me

i think i need to give you some

perspective here because walsh and

destiny

so i'm destiny's height if we believe

destiny right i'm destiny's height

and this is what they look like right

together

apparently this is 6-2 by the way and

remember i'm destiny's height

so

that's not six two okay

and that's not a head taller but

regardless

i am much wider than destiny that's the

that's the tragical part of this whole

thing is that i'm the same height as

destiny i'm just a lot thicker and wider

so imagine how i would look compared

next to vosh

you know what i mean

it's like does this really make all that

much of a difference

his forehead he only has a forehead over

me okay is this would his forehead

really make that much of a difference

he's a full head shorter than 6-0 at

least that's not true dude

that

there's no way

he's measured himself on stream

yeah vosh this is

so this is one two three four i don't

know i don't know one two three four

maybe he's four inches taller than this

so six foot i don't know i can't really

tell

i was thinking like my phone is six

inches right so you would have to put

this phone

on top of let me see let's see put this

phone on top

and that would have to be vols right

it'd be six inches so this is like a six

inch phone right so like this does that

look accurate that does not look

accurate to me

right boss would be like this

this one's taller

that doesn't look accurate you think

comparing to that is that accurate

this is all big

is that accurate

that don't look accurate to me

they don't look accurate this is like

the size of my head

you understand

this is like this would be like a head

taller you understand yeah i don't buy

it bruh i don't buy it

i don't buy that [ __ ]

or maybe i have the case on i have like

you know what i do have a case on let's

actually be fair

i'm no i'm going here we're actually

gonna do this

we're actually gonna do this

so let me get this on

let me get out of the case

okay so now we're gonna have a more fair

thing so

this phone

like this

right

so this we're looking at this remember

this is the reference photo we're

looking at

so like this right so it'd be like here

so if valsha62 you take this phone

is that look like that is this is this

is boss this much bigger than destiny

look

i don't think so bruh i don't it's like

it's not even it's not even okay there's

no way he's 6-2 there's no [ __ ]

mathematical way to do 6-2 he's got to

measure himself on stream or something

ain't no way to do this 6-2 no way and

if he's not

which i doubt he is what a stupid thing

to lie about you [ __ ] [ __ ]

and my phone's not the size of a

forehead bruh

511 i think he's around

511. i don't know why someone who's five

eleven would say they're six two

supposed to only like add

one and a one inch or something don't

add [ __ ]

who adds three inches

that's he added three inches bro

three inches

i get when someone adds an inch or

whatever

i can sympathize i round up

i'm only five eight point five i still

round up to five nine

but

three whole inches

three whole inches

what kind of fat [ __ ] insecure loser

does that

three full inches

you know if you catch them on a point

you can see them stumble a bit you know

i want them to suffer and bleed you

can't milk blood from a stone but if a

person really cares about what they're

saying like remember the tanky debate

that i had this was the joker tanky the

person who said that i would be selling

pencils in a year it's been about a year

now and

i'm the most powerful leftist on earth

you know what i mean like that guy when

i was talking to him i had fun dunking

on him but like there really wasn't much

going on

you know what i mean so so let me

explain to you the the argument right

let me explain to you the arc ross is

wider and taller he's fatter and yes

he's taller

i guarantee you next to me he would not

look good and he would not look bigger

he would not look bigger he wouldn't

look like the bigger man he would look

like a fat [ __ ] yes he would not look

like the bigger man but anyway

um

what valsha's trying to say here is that

i like debating nerds because nerds are

i can be passive aggressive with them he

likes the passive aggressiveness and

that's that's the whole basis of this

[ __ ] um

that's the [ __ ] basis of this entire

[ __ ] uh

debate bro blood sports [ __ ] they just

like seeing nerds get humiliated and i

sped i i did a speed run on that whole

thing right it only takes a guy like me

to just [ __ ] blow all these people

out the [ __ ] water i cracked the code

for why people like watching this [ __ ]

bosh and i'm literally

you're like marijuana i'm like [ __ ]

meth i'm like crystal meth and you're

[ __ ] marijuana people are [ __ ] i

have pure undistilled [ __ ]

dopamine i am pure undistilled [ __ ]

sarah whatever it is [ __ ] dopamine

i'm pure undistilled i'm the pure stuff

i'm that blue crystal from [ __ ]

breaking bad

i'm that blue crystal i [ __ ]

distilled the formula for why people

like this [ __ ]

you fat loser [ __ ] now you're just

sitting and coping wondering

finding people like me because i [ __ ]

crack the code dude the jig is up now

you're just a [ __ ] nerd all the

passive aggressiveness is gone because

i'm directly aggressive

it's not even necessarily that he's

dimwitted he might be you know perfectly

intelligent it's just there wasn't

really much actual discourse taking

place i would say something and then he

would say something and if there was a

relationship between those two periods

of saying something that was kind of

like a brief miracle

um

it's something that i'll try to work on

just at the moment it just feels a

little bit sad like i actually get sad

sometimes in those conversations because

i feel like i'm talking with an npc

um but i'll work on it i'll try to find

more people who actually give a [ __ ]

about what they believe you know we can

dunk on them we can dunk on them

astro clock tower the arguments there

are a bit beyond me i'll admit it i'm

going to privilege these special

interests like amazon and facebook other

monopolies over the ordinary yeah sorry

like rob noor and ctv you know like

stuff like that like how am i supposed

to engage with that i'm sorry i keep

interrupting but you can't supposed to

do to engage with that stuff you know

sometimes i feel like a lot of people

engage in these debates only for the k

forever you know is that how you

pronounce it the k fave kay fabi however

it's pronounced how can i talk to

conservatives when

how could i talk to someone who doesn't

who's not a [ __ ] uh stiff nerd i can

only talk to stiff nerds and those are

the people

i can't talk to someone who's a real man

i can't talk to real men i'm thinking

i'm used to being a [ __ ] slimy wheezy

little [ __ ]

i can't do that i'm a [ __ ] fat [ __ ]

how can i [ __ ] talk to someone

i can't talk to someone in a plane

smoking away without all this passive

aggressive [ __ ] nerd [ __ ]

you know i can only talk to someone who

okay i okay okay this is the person who

boss can talk to guys all right like i'm

in the know guys i'm in the know i've

i've read all the relevant data and i am

in the know i have the fluorides there

and listen i i'm at the end of the day

i'm completely reasonably normal and

listen i i can talk to bosh okay i can

really talk to bosh and i'm gonna you

know he's like that's the only [ __ ]

people he could talk to

right he can't talk to ctv he can't talk

to those kind of people because he's a

fat [ __ ] nothing else

that like the wrestling like similacrum

of violence and performance where like

they just have fun with the yelling like

the loud noises make them happy you know

like like they just kind of smile gotcha

they just kind of smile with the loud

noises you know so it doesn't actually

matter what i say

well we'll we'll we'll find a way we'll

find a way to work it out we will we

will man

and we will should be treated

accordingly people like pezos bill gates

uh and other billionaires are not gods

among men they're not somehow more human

than we are not somehow more citizens of

this republic than we are so in that

regard we just as far as equality is

concerned believe that everyone should

have a certain equality before the

government before the law that allows us

to begin with equal opportunity now we

don't we're not advocating for any

quality of outcomes in life if you look

at communist states like china you don't

find uh

quality of outcomes between people yet

countries like china have done it it's

so weird because when i was talking to

hawk i was like yeah it's like the last

person i'm thinking about is vosh as an

audience like with these dumb lefty

[ __ ] why the [ __ ] would i ever talk to

them but

yeah

when it's like hack when he heard that

he's like okay when his audience heard

that they're like ah okay when every

american on this [ __ ]

like 99 percent of americans are like

okay i get what you mean by communist

state vows you know what boss is

thinking

it's not even true no nowhere did marx

and engels even say that it's a

stateless classes they didn't even say

that they just said that as like the

ultimate consequence of the movement of

communism historically as the ultimate

cons consequence this will have for the

society the state will wither away

okay

this doesn't tell us about

of course there's such a thing as a

communist state i mean like from an

orthodox marxist strict classical

marxist perspective yes there can be a

communist state because for marx

communism is nothing more than the real

movement that sublights in the present

state of things there is no reason to

think

that

the disillusion of the state does not at

the same time correspond to the

strengthening of a state

this is the dialectical point that

stalin made right

if you are a country surrounded by other

countries

and they are making borders

the strengthening of your state which is

developing towards socialism and

communism

will be inversely proportional

to the uh

to the preservation of the state in the

long run right

so of course there can be a communist

state of course a communist state can

participate in the wider historical

movement

um that sublates the present state of

things that i mean the chinese state is

a perfect example it's a state that

constantly is undergoing

structural reforms and shake-ups and

changes it's a very dynamic even calling

it a state is no longer accurate anymore

right a state refers to like a static

thing right

and a very good job in being able to

crack down on monopolies like the ones

you're seeing with amazon and the

billionaire class china is actually an

example of a country with a government

that isn't able to be infiltrated by the

special interests the corporations and

with special private agendas that are

beyond the interests of the people so i

think we should be clear that communists

don't want to what a weird [ __ ]

what is up with this guy he like he

laughs

it's like it's all fake it's all

artificial it's so weird

there's not like every time he laughs

and smiles none of it is authentic none

of it is genuine i'm convinced like he's

like playing games with his audience

like he's like he's like programming

so weird

it's so [ __ ] weird what is up with

this guy

to uh completely level society and make

equal we just want people to be able to

have a fighting chance and that means

people don't land they don't want homes

we want people to have to be able to own

things because if people are able to own

things in general they have a solid

foundation from which to begin and begin

as equals

uh

are you an atheist

um my personal relationship to religion

i would say is complicated but uh in

regards i think i am an atheist in the

sense that i don't like making

assumptions about what god is and what

god wants and who god is but at the same

time i'm also someone who's motivated by

profound sense of faith and um faith

he's got those shifty eyes

who knows what maybe he's got a second

tab on his monitor he's looking at

something like who knows man who knows

god knows what he's looking at too you

know

god very god but again because religion

has been misused so often in history

my own relationships personally um where

are you from i'm just curious if you

don't mind oh yeah my parents are from

lebanon okay um this is a quote from

mark's the communist manifesto by marx

angles communism abolishes eternal

truths it abolishes all religion and all

morality look at the [ __ ]

weird glee that's on his side i'm sorry

maybe he's just ugly you guys think he's

just ugly

maybe that's it he's just an ugly [ __ ]

because it just really disgusts me

like looking at this dude this guy i get

a visceral sense of inner disgust when i

look at his changing [ __ ] facial

expressions

instead of constituting them on a new

basis it therefore acts in contradiction

to all past historical experience is

that root is it not atheistic

um i i wouldn't say so because i think

what marx and angels were trying to say

in that regard is that communism doesn't

mean to replace all these things which

is a great parent and a new dogma kind

of a new tradition and i think it's very

important to you know keep in mind

because uh it's very easy to just assume

that because you're having this new

political movement and phenomena that's

gonna somehow make a new religion and

make a new thing like that and also i

think there's often times a

mistranslation as far as the world

apologies concerned a lot of these texts

so oftentimes the word off hebong which

actually means ablate which means to

preserve while at the same time going

beyond is translated into abolish and

balance means like to wipe out right and

oftentimes marks in english yeah this is

one hundred thousand percent true i

don't i don't know how valis is gonna

weasel his way out of this being true

because it just [ __ ] is

right about the sublation of things uh

which is not necessarily incompatible

with their preservation and new form

right so the way i look at that the way

i would interpret that is that companies

don't want to abolish christianity they

just want to give a new ground for the

expression of the authentic christian

faith without the corrupt

religious institutions and

establishments which deceive the people

and trick people in the name of tapping

into their real authentic faith um what

you're seeing live right now is the

consequence of infra's brand of

communism for conservatives wink

yeah but do you address the content of

what i just said can you address the

content of what i said why am i a

conservative maybe the reason i'm a

conservative is because it's my view

that this is the most correct

interpretation of marx

can you can you challenge my

interpretation of what i just said

the dude brought up a quote where he

said the communists seek to do away with

all eternal truths and dogmas and this

and that that and what my interpretation

of that is that communists do not want

to

elevate communism to the status of an

eternal dogma and eternal truth right

um it doesn't want to say that in the

place of these religions we're gonna

have the communist religion or whatever

right so that's my interpretation

where uh where like every radical idea

like every radical social prescription

name one of these radical social

prescriptions because

if this is or if what you just heard was

a radical social prescription

from the communist manifesto

you didn't interpret it correctly let's

actually go over it and read it together

uh let me see communist manifesto of the

communist party here it is

uh

okay here we go

so here we go so they're confronting a

criticism of the communists

in this specific uh

it's even worse it's even worse than

what valsha's trying to say so boss was

trying to say that this is a radical

social prescription for marx and engels

right

well let's read it

he's quoting what they expect others to

say so undoubtedly it will be said

religious moral philosophical and

juridical ideas have been modified in

the course of historical development but

religion morality philosophy political

science and law survived this change

there are besides eternal truths such as

freedom justice that are common to all

states of society

but communism abolishes eternal truths

it abolishes all religion all morality

instead of constituting them on a new

basis and therefore acts in

contradiction to all past historical

experience that was the charge leveled

against the communists

so

what did

how did marx and angles respond

this accusation what does this

accusation reduce so to the history of

all past society is consistent in the

development of class antagonisms

antagonisms that therefore assume

different forms different epochs

but whatever form they have taken one

fact is common to all past stages the

exploitation of one part of society by

another no wonder that source

constitutes all the multiplicity in the

varieties of displays moves within

certain common forms general ideas okay

traditional politic

with radical rupture with traditional

ideas so this is this is the one here

right my interpretation of this is very

simple

that instead of this so-called abolition

of tradition

sorry abolition of religion

communism will not set

a new religion to replace uh communism

is not going to be a replacement to

religion morality

uh sorry where is it

religion morality eternal truths etc etc

that's that was my interpretation

now you could say my interpretation is

wrong

um to which i will respond

what did the experience of history show

us and that's the relevant point here

the most stupid thing about this entire

the relevant point being

in practice it turns out that there has

been a reconciliation between communism

and religion right

but the most stupid thing about this

whole thing is that i'm getting into the

weeds about philosophy and text and

things like that

when hakee is representing this average

christians in america who are terrified

about this idea that communists want to

come and destroy religion now vash is

calling it a radical social prescription

in reality it's a terrifying thought

that what people find as the heart of a

heartless world that communists are

going to come and take that away from

them that's not how you approach this

issue vosh as much as you're a fat

pervert who delights in the idea of

terrorizing christians and and and

upholding this [ __ ] radical thousand

credits like no dude

this is how people deal with their

[ __ ] reality

now if you want to get into the esoteric

weeds of marxism and debate about that

i'll be more than welcome to debate

about it with you right i do think it's

an open discussion more or less

and that my view is by no means

self-evident but i think my view is the

strongest right now i'd be willing to

debate that with you but when i'm

talking to a guy like hawk i'm not

getting into the [ __ ] weeds of

philosophy and all that kind of [ __ ] i'm

talking to a dumb [ __ ] random

you know conservative guy who i imagine

has sentiments that reflects masses and

masses of people

marks our angles would have made has to

be like reinterpreted in in such a way

as to not be threatening you know it's

like oh well well it actually does it

actually does because when marx and

engels were talking about this [ __ ]

usually they were dealing with the

context of intellectuals and philosophy

the actual practical implications were

much much more tame than the gravity

of like how rad like when they're

talking

in their critique of feuerbach and their

critique of hegel and swan like

that does not mean you immediately go

about with this like radical view

against religion and all that kind of

[ __ ] so when they're digging up things

out of context from the communist

manifesto

ignoring the context of those things and

they're interpreting that to mean oh my

god the communists are going to come and

destroy religion that does need to be

defused that absolutely needs to be

[ __ ] diffused

because it's taken out of context it

goes from an intellectual context to a

popular context well those are not the

same forms of context right

the method of enquiry

inquiry mark says is different from the

manner of presentation in the manner of

inquiry we have all sorts of radical

views about religion and so on and so on

but in terms of a manner of presentation

it's very dangerous to just

assume those are the same thing you

could be you could be meaning something

entirely different than what you intend

on saying

in practical reality

right

you know they didn't they didn't want to

abolish religion bro they were okay with

organized religion they just bro it was

they absolutely did not want to abolish

religion and no i mean in no practical

sense that they seek to abolish religion

now

critics of communism accused them of

seeking to abolish religion when they

sought for example

to relegate religion into a private a

matter of a private affair right and you

know separation of church and state and

removing these state power of churches

and and so on in the clergy

i guess they were more or less

indifferent to that charge because it

was a straw man to begin with but

in terms of like what the modern

standard for abolishing religion would

be and there's no trace of any advocacy

on the part of marx and engels for

abolishing religion absolutely not no

no i mean nowhere do they say that's

what they seek to do

specifically marx says the contrary like

religion is not the essential point

if there is something so wrong and

illusory and alienating about religion

so marx says

it's merely a result

of an alienating wrong

illusory society that is in need of

illusions

religion is there's no battleground of

religion that's relevant none

bro they were just like against like the

bad kinds

um no that's not the point that was

being made here

i think that for the most part marx was

was quite sympathetic to people with

religious beliefs i think that probably

yeah that's a stupid condescending view

that has nothing to do with the point

the best way of putting it right like he

didn't hate really no no it's not the

the more specific point is that this

we're going to get to later but mark's

only engaged with religion

from the perspective of philosophy he

never engaged with religion outside the

perspective of philosophy marx called

philosophy religion rendered and

expounded into thought turns out there's

more to religion than just thought and

philosophy it's a

it doesn't address the question of

aesthetics it doesn't address the

question of feeling it doesn't address

the question of affect it doesn't

address the question of the unconscious

right it only addresses religion insofar

as it is taken as a dogma of conscious

thought

aka philosophy so there's more to

religion than that

religious people he understood the

breath of life it gave

many what you call islam organized

religion yeah

right right

i think so

it's not like there's a pope of

prostitution but that's organized who

are just motivated by cynical interests

of serving those in power or serving

special interests or just plainly trying

to scam people and making money i've

seen reports that that china for example

as recently as last year they were

clamping down i think on christians as

well as some other religions like falun

gong or something like that and saying

we need marxism not religion not

christianity and i've just noticed that

uh for example armenians i've had some

armenian friends and they lived in a

former communist country and because of

that there's a lot of corruption and a

lot of cheating and low trust society

making

business practices with um with many

armenians because of that culture that

basically where

life is not done life is one's done in

america with a handshake you don't have

to worry about a man that you shook

hands with pulling a fast one on you so

the reason vos is such an idiot is he's

looking at this from the perspective

like

who is more logically and

argumentatively correct you know i could

tear this hey guy to shreds you guys

know i could is that my goal though what

do i gain from that my goal is to win

over his audience and actually present

his audience an example of what a

communist can be and what communists say

that's different from what they're

familiar with they're already used to

the idea of communists being a bunch of

monsters i want to show them a different

side to things right

it's like he he's such a smug fat dumb

[ __ ] this whole time he's approaching

from their perspective like has you're

not arguing dude that's not the point

obviously yes you could tell hake

something like uh what are you talking

about dude there's the the term snake

oil salesman literally comes from the

19th century and you had the carpet

baggers and yes it was always a sleazy

slimy society yeah i could say all of

those things and what would i what would

i in the process be doing i would be

proving that i am a guy who's more

knowledgeable and educated than hake is

well guess what

i guarantee you hake has has debated

many liberals who have already proven

that they're more educated and it

doesn't do them any [ __ ] good because

the reason people listen to hake is not

because they think he's more educated or

even that he's necessarily more

knowledgeable

um it's because what he says makes sense

to them you understand and you have to

address the root cause of why that is

i'm not interested in proving i'm

smarter and more knowledgeable than hake

i'm interested in proving

that communism is a sensible path to his

audience

something vos could not do by the way

thank you morlock appreciate you

case in one of these uh communist

countries because it seems to it seems

to be that communism does not understand

or ex or else it purposely exploits the

weakness and corruption and laziness of

human nature because

it has it has you

where you are you get something that you

didn't earn and you don't um you don't

appreciate it you don't properly take it

um

in china um what i never get what do you

mean what are we talking about

i i don't know what to say like i said

before vosh is a guy who only takes

things at face value he thinks

everything's a matter of propositional

logic and when you're saying something

and putting it out there

you're speaking in terms of like some

kind of common

you know

conceptual reasoning or something like

that and if there's no deeper

unconscious or intuitive web of

associations associated with what you're

saying there's no deeper meaning behind

the surface it's not like he's like

you know

picking bells that make sense to a lot

of people

when he says [ __ ] like this

and also voss really doesn't know how

we disagree on a lot of things but you

are spot on w key issues like esoteric

political analysis thank you sebastian

another thing vosh i noticed what's

really immature about him for a guy

who's been on the internet for so long

is like he just finds some things

unfathomable like

how could you say that how could well

dude clearly a lot of people believe

stupid [ __ ] things

most of this country believes stupid can

you not have patience who cares

just look past it like why does it

matter

i'm gonna treat hake like a beverly

hills intellectual

no dude that's not how it works you get

a move on with it get over the fact that

not everyone's that educated or

knowledgeable in this country

when you're talking to normal people you

have to get to the meat and potatoes of

what makes sense to them and what's

meaningful to them right you're gonna

have to get over the fact that they're

not that knowledgeable or educated right

because it's not what matters what

matters is

what they're actually trying to say

and the practical implications and i

think from this perspective in a way i'm

more american than valsha's i'm more

pragmatic i'm focusing on like what are

the practical meat and potato what does

it mean practically who cares about this

dumb [ __ ] whatever intellectual stuff

like what does it actually mean in in

reality meat and potatoes whereas vosh

has adopted this kind of like british

you know romantical kind of aesthetic

of basically like smugly elevating

himself over the world

practical meaning

i know nothing of practice my pink

beverly hills hands do not concern with

practice i am concerned with status

with status

what is the truth what is your status

and authority

and it's like i'm gonna i'm a [ __ ]

red-blooded american i'm not a beverly

hills badass like valsh i'm a

red-blooded [ __ ] american i'm

focusing on practice

you know

christians are not being cracked on

china for their religious faith now

there are various cults how

knowledgeable is this person how

reputable how credible are they

who gives a [ __ ] dude

it's like

i'm more like the the channel five guy

where i just have my microphone and here

say whatever the [ __ ] you want i don't

care it doesn't matter right well she's

more like sasha bear cohen where he's

like actively mocking and looking down

on people right and that's not my style

i don't give a [ __ ] you know what i mean

i'm more like the channel five guy it's

like

yeah i say what you want dude who who

cares they don't mean nothing anyway

they don't matter anyway you know

among them the following which is called

it's not really a historical traditional

religion wait

i'm pretty sure china absolutely cracks

down a religious expression

yeah you're just as sure as this hot guy

is here you heard some rumors in hearsay

and you think it's true it's not coming

from a perspective of actual education

on

the chinese state's relationship to

organized religion

i'm pretty sure that happens doesn't am

i wrong on that i'm pretty positive

you're just as positive as hawk you're

you're literally no different from this

dumb [ __ ] random guy

you're actually worse because hawk is

like doesn't even pretend to be educated

i doubt hawk is even he's probably

barely literate he probably can't even

read

vaj is

a guy who's become very educated to give

expression to what a dumb fat [ __ ] he is

i mean vosh's education has given form

to his sloth his gluttony and his

stupidity

and nothing more

that definitely absolutely first of all

we have you know muslims in the xinjiang

province and then like like yeah

yeah you can't even be a fanboy

you have muslims in the xinjiang

province and you also have the largest

muslim group in china which is the hui

muslims who don't seem to be going

through a lot of problems

the media doesn't even be seem to be

saying there's anything wrong so no

one's alleging anything going on with

them but apparently it's about religion

and not

not turkic nationalism or or you go to

separatism it's religion sure

tv in uh in china imagine

but it goes beyond that too like i think

even you know not holistically but often

like they they'll crack down on

christianity and stuff like that wait

did he just say they don't let fem boys

on tv

so

wouldn't religious people be in favor of

not letting them on tv

i don't get it

he's like they even banned fem boys from

tv

and is is that like an extreme example

of anti-religious crackdown

you stupid fat ass at least do this

right

um the falun gong are like a weird super

weird religious gold so i at least do

this the right way you know at least do

this the right way it's like it's not

really that hard either

hold any water for them

um chinese government will crack down on

those but not simply because of in the

name of uploading marxism versus

religious chinese society you have to

keep in mind has historically not had

the same relationship to religion that

other societies do the chinese society

has um been mostly secular throughout

its thousands of years of history just

in the sense that this way of relating

to spirituality what

why don't you wait until i say just in

the sense that like in what sense do i

mean that i clarify

you dumbass i know it's not secular in

the modern sense

it was obviously very spiritual

intertwined with confucianism and

buddhism and taoism

but it had a radically different

relationship to religion than the

monotheistic abrahamic religions and

even the

dharmic religions that were flourishing

to the south right so what i was saying

was hundred percent true

and religion all those kinds of things

are done through the concrete bonds of

civil society and states so that's not

really yeah that's that's fundamentally

true like for example the rights of

worship and ritual

were just

integrated into the totality of the

state

historically in china like the way in

which people relate to the relay express

their religiosity is through

the form of the state

right religion no longer becomes an

autonomous form of effectual

personal belief

it's directly expressed in the way in

which you're relating

uh

as an individual to your civil society

it's woven into the fabric

of civil society in the state

you're not going to have missionaries of

the chinese religion

travel to other countries

it's just china it's all through china

the relationship to religion is entirely

different

what

what

it's true it's [ __ ] true i don't i

don't see how you could it's it's like

how is this not true

it's not religion because it's done

through civil society and statehood what

i didn't say it's not religion i said

they don't have the same relationship to

religion what we call religion is just

directly woven into their

into the form of the state

it doesn't have a quality of like

autonomous worship

there are exa like mass autonomous

worship just chinese society has never

been particularly religious where

everyone is visiting the equivalent to

like sites of worship

like a mosque or a church and and

there's just like there's no autonomy of

religion right

yes chinese philosophy legalist

philosophy is fundamentally like ethical

it's ethically based right i mean how do

you not know about chinese legalism

right

yeah it's it's worldly it's oriented

toward the world right it's oh it's been

that way for a very long time

even taoism taoism right it's not like a

religion in a sense comparable to the

abrahamic religions like christianity

like the one that's actually [ __ ]

under discussion that hakee brought up

you fat dumb ass

does he know what the catholic church is

what

what

what

that's the example of the opposite

the catholic church was not the same

thing as the monarchies of the middle

ages

the catholic church what are you talking

about the vatican or something

what the the catholic church is not a

state unless you're talking about the

vatican it's also not a civilization

you're trying to compare china to the

catholic church the catholic church is

precisely the example of like an

autonomous religious purely religious

institution

that looks like that is like has like

tentacles in the webs of all these

governments in the you know in the

middle ages in the past and it's all

it's sight of all this intrigue and it's

completely autonomous it sends

missionaries around the world

it's like completely ephemeral and

intangible

the catholic church is an example of

spirituality

purely being given expression in the

worldly institutions of the state no

it's not it's the exact opposite of that

the catholic church is an example of a

religious institution so fundamentally

estranged

from the worldly institutions of the

state

it is literally a separate institution

called the catholic church the catholic

church is not the same thing as the

monarchy as much as the monarchies were

be and the empires were beholden to the

catholic church

they were not identical they were

separate institutions

what the [ __ ] are you talking about

what does that even mean

an innovation confidence it's just been

true for chinese

it means you have to have a minimal

understanding of chinese history and

legalist history i don't know what what

else to tell you you're just a fat

ignorant [ __ ]

three um otherwise christians are free

to practice their faith openly and

freely within china and um events like

the taiping rebellion in the 19th

century was a christian religious

uprising against the ching dynasty was

obviously very influential uh this is

the way that i was making inroads with

devout christian believers

to make china

more familiar to them and to to create

bridges right bridges

where they don't see china as this

[ __ ] monstrous alien force that

there's connections right

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what a crime

what a crime and valshe isn't even

paying attention to what i'm doing

strategically or rhetorically he's just

like focus he's taking everything at

face value what a dumb f stupid [ __ ]

in

you know influencing the communists the

eventual economies and when they become

later so um i think there's an

interesting relationship to christianity

but against china is not a christian

country now in regards to this cynicism

that prevails in armenia you have to

keep in mind that after the collapse of

communism when the very same forces that

conservatives within america are trying

to struggle against um basically engage

in the wholesale privatization of the

former soviet countries and you know

pretty much eluded them and destroyed

their traditions and trying to destroy

your culture and set up all these ngos

and things like that to promote the

to promote a society that was more in

line and

it means the same people who are behind

the color revolutions against communism

are also the ones

that are

um

promoting non-traditional values in

these countries it's very simple point

it's such a very simple point and it's

literally true

it is literally true

i'm looking at friend requests i know i

got some friend requests

so sick of stupid people just request

why do you want to be my friend why do

you [ __ ] i have 120 friend requests i

can't even tell when like

it's somewhat important

you just [ __ ] hit request why because

you're [ __ ] bored

don't just [ __ ] request these send a

friend request to me i don't even know

like why why do you think i have time to

talk to you i don't

more within the interest of the american

deep state um why obviously the

situation in the most common states has

been catastrophic but this wasn't the

fault of communists it actually what do

you do you think zurich is genuine about

flat earth yes

i do i don't think he's faking it

he's being serious

actually was a fault of the same um

global billionaires and the global

capitalist class who were funding ngop

like george soros people like uh

george soros and the rockefellers oh you

are playing to the audience right now my

god

okay

god wants to debate you about why you

are wrong about larouche

i don't have any strong views on

larouche i think you want to debate

pesto mine

not me you want to debate pesto not me

i'm not i don't die on the hill of the

rouge i like larouche i think he's

intelligent and very knowledgeable but

i'm not a dog i'm not like a larussian

myself

okay so it's not really the hill i die

on and second of all

that's pesto mime right and that's other

people in our community but what was i

saying

yeah i mean

how many of you guys think that george

soros is just a right-wing meme

and that the open society foundation

doesn't doesn't actually pour like

billions of dollars into social causes

around the world

how many of you guys think it's just a

right-wing meme you guys actually think

that it's just a meme

by the way i'm building bridges so they

already know about george soros i know

about him too

so i'm building bridges guys

we're we're not identified with those

people we're not identified with the

establishment we're not identified with

a deep state we're not identified with

the agenda of american imperialism so

but the fat ass is laughing a job with a

hut you can't help laugh right

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guys the bosch laughed isn't this

crystal like spot on

ugly [ __ ]

what what an effective way of getting a

nazi to agree with what you're saying

dude holy [ __ ] uh

a nazi

what

why

wasn't george soros a nazi collaborator

he was a he was a nazi collaborator

actually so

what do you mean a nazi

where is that coming from uh what's

what's representative of modern uh

neoliberal capitalism you know oh yes

rockefeller and soros

wait hold on do you think the

rockefellers aren't a thing anymore

wait you think the rockefellers aren't a

thing anymore

just because they're not in the media

anymore

does he think the rockefellers aren't

relevant

anymore

and they're not like you you think elon

musk and like these these celebrities

are are what represent modern capitalism

dude

the rockefellers are a thing still

what's next the oil industry is not a

thing because it's not

it's not in the media that much

this dude doesn't even know who the

[ __ ] ruling class is

he talks about the ruling class he

doesn't even know who the [ __ ] ruling

class

is jesus christ

they don't only have an agenda for the

people of the united states and for this

country which i think too many americans

have been revealed they had an agenda to

completely overthrow the communist

states and replace them with liberal

democracies and that has been an

absolute disaster for traditions and for

culture and foreign

yeah it has like for example traditional

families

you can't have traditional families when

your [ __ ] economy becomes devastated

when your daughter gets sold into

prostitution or worse is trafficked off

into other countries

yeah that's what happened with the

glorious rise of liberal democracy

the [ __ ]

russia you find the communist party to

be you have mcdonald's and american

corporate

culture

overtake the traditional forms of

culture that existed before

so yes that did happen vosh

what is so funny fundamentally uh

orthodox christian at its core it's

allied with the orthodox like like when

you see this when you see me juxtaposed

to him doesn't he look so stupid

how does he even get away with it like

doesn't he know i'm gonna react to this

and make you look like a stupid [ __ ]

don't he looks so stupid and

embarrassing like

how do you get away with this [ __ ] i

don't get it like you look dumb dude you

look [ __ ] stupid because both

recognize the forces of anti-communism

to be a minister religion within their

country so um to me regarding the

promotion of laziness and selflessness i

think i have to keep in mind that in the

20th century you had this kind of

economic equality within communist

states primarily because they were

coming from a backwards agrarian society

and transitioning to industrial society

so the goal is just to give people the

minimum of just some kind of

modernization now when that came into a

crisis communist states responded to

that in different ways but the most

successful way of communicating with

honesty is that the path china took and

obviously no one's really making the

argument in china these vices of you

know a lack of economic entrepreneurship

and innovation and

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uh things like that is being promoted

china's very that's true

hey wash not every time someone

disagrees with you

is that grounds for mockery because you

have to prove why it's wrong first and

that's something

look your audience per capita is not as

educated as mine but even i go out

to to make the effort to like

reason my position now when you say

stupid [ __ ] like

you know like that guy we had on sale

communism means the equal distribution

of resources my audience is educated

enough

to know that's stupid and they'll they

will laugh at it

but your your audience is not nearly as

educated as mine so the burden of

of of actually like

reasoning why i'm wrong still remains

upon you you can't just like

bluff that it's self-evident i don't

know he does it intentionally i think he

you know vasha's talked about like

everything to him as optics so he

manipulates his audience by like

waving these gestures and like fake

laughing and [ __ ] to be like guys this

is wrong this is

i can't explain to you why it's wrong

thank you dictator appreciate it he's

like i can't explain to you why it's

wrong but trust me

trust me

trust me it's so stupid trust me why

dude explain like

i see dudes in this chat a lot

more often than you'd expect

obviously the most are npcs so they're

going to own mega lol because they're

because they're you know the streamers

omega loading so it must be funny but

then i always see the odd guy be like

wait but how is he wrong right

you know what i mean because they don't

know why it's wrong

he doesn't explain

you could actually make the argument

that china uncannily has almost exactly

the same economic conditions as a

capitalist country uh if you really

think about it it is it is true it is

remarkably easy to defend uh

so

hard work a sense of entrepreneurship

and

competitiveness are exclusively

features of a capitalist economy

and there's nothing there by the way

there's no other distinct it's like well

the chinese government owns all the land

oh no it doesn't matter that doesn't

matter right that has nothing to do with

it

to defend china to it's exactly the same

as a capitalist country because of the

vague fact that and by the way

the funny thing is is that who said that

it's inherently capitalist to be

entrepreneurial

and hard-working and competitive

america is not really a very

hard-working country compared to the

rest of the world neither is europe

to a capitalist when everything in china

is capable capitalist wait hold on

just to be clear

is capitalism an ideology or is it a

mode of production because

if hakee believes in capitalism

my best guess is that he's associating

it with a certain you know certain

qualities

that make sense to most people and that

are familiar to most people and that

most people would be terrified of of

being gone

i'm a capitalist because i want free

markets we all want free markets right

the question is how do you address that

you can't address that but you have to

focus again on the practical

implications do you just let things be

and let these corporations do whatever

they want well then you're not going to

have any [ __ ] free markets right

there's nothing inherently capitalist

about that it's just that they reject

the democrat form of socialism which you

take to a max right

um to a capitalist

this is the result of someone who sees

everything from the perspective of

ideology