DEBATING HATERS! [PT 2] [2021-10-25]

okay

i'm just downloading it

yeah luckily i didn't show his face

stupid-ass kid man

this is what these leftists are teaching

these kids so you have a adobe kid

you have a harabi kid who's getting

brainwashed by these evil sick white

leftists to ruin his own life

this is probably a glitch this uh views

are probably a glitch that i'm getting

so don't worry about it

it's a glitch

you have ought to be kid

throwing away his life for these white

leftists

i hope he uh nothing bad happens to that

kid

but that's just sad

but anyway

what i was going to say

we lost two hours of the va that's okay

yeah he left his mom the most beautiful

religion in my view that's my personal

view in the world

and he can't he's even for marxism

supposedly he doesn't even know anything

about marxism

right

but let me tell you something

because the kid said some stupid [ __ ]

he said some dumb [ __ ]

these [ __ ]

youngsters man

here's what i was going to say

what i was going to say

was that if you care about the

palestinians you're going to think in

terms of concrete reality and not in

terms of your fake abstract morality

you're not going to say i want to

destroy america

what you're going to say

is i'm going to do everything in my

power to help the palestinians and

that's defined by the conditions of

possibility what helps the palestinians

more building a mass movement of

americans

that's actually going to be able to

challenge america's policies in relation

to israel

or sitting and shouting i hate america

you're never going to get anywhere

saying that in this [ __ ] country

you're not going to pose a threat to

this country you're not going to pose a

threat to this country's policies you're

only going to stop american imperialism

within america by convincing the

american people and showing the american

people that imperialism is not in their

interest

was he a muslim or an ex-muslim

ex-muslim

actually ex-muslim

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coming and lecturing me

to recite the fatah

and test what a muslim i am

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voidborn donated 50

when he said i can't destroy america i

don't have power it speaks to the

complete lack of clarity in the western

left the way that you seize power is

through the people themselves the

american people can only be reached

through patriotism that's that it's so

simple it's so [ __ ] simple but all of

these hyper emotional screaming people

you can't read with them you can't read

them with them what can you say they

just scream and scream and scream you

can't reason with them

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what about the suicide nets what about

what they're doing to the augers and

they're going one

thousand places at once

fanatics

my god the insanity of america

the insanity of what this country is

doing

i come from an immigrant family i see

firsthand how this country destroys my

people

i see it firsthand

what this [ __ ] country does

to my own people

[ __ ] some in the head cause it happened

to me that's how i know it

it [ __ ] them in the head

these muslims let me tell you what's

going on

let me tell you what's going on with the

second even first generation muslims who

come to western countries they come to

western countries where a lot of people

are hostile to muslims right so the only

people who are being friendly to the

muslims are the leftists

oh i can fit in with the leftists then

they like me

so you go talk to the leftists and

slowly slowly take bits and pieces from

you oh you have conservative values let

me take some bits away

oh you're a muslim let me take some bits

away sooner or later you're not even a

[ __ ] muslim or out of in the first

place you just become a white leftist so

what the racists wanted in the first

place which was for you to just

assimilate is what eventually happens

that's just eventually what happens

being a true muslim or you canceled yeah

is all assimilation bad yes it is

all assimilation is bad

all assimilation is bad

even if you have to keep it private if

you have muslim values and you have

muslim beliefs

never ever cave to the western leftists

never

never no matter where you go

you don't bite the hand that feeds you

and go against the country you live in

but you never renounce your traditions

in the name of fitting in with these

[ __ ] losers

that are western leftists

because no one's gonna respect you

nobody respects someone who turns

against their family nobody respects

someone who turns against their

forefathers

what about chinese assimilation policy

who is very chinese ancient fantasy

the thousands year old civilization for

thousands of years

they've had a dialectic between

centralization and decentralization

it has nothing to do with western

assimilation

in china

is a country so attuned to cultural and

ethnic differences

when you mention that it boils my

[ __ ] blood if you knew how it works

in china you would get it you would bow

on your [ __ ] knees and beg to be

forgiven for being such a dumb [ __ ]

the chinese are not leading their people

down a path

of nihilism and self-destruction

now the dumb [ __ ] is here this other

dumb [ __ ]

what

yeah what do you want

yeah okay

i'm gonna be i wanna be honest man like

like her opinions and her values that's

that's actually what a lot of like

zoomer you know vietnamese

uh communists actually believe in it's

like this this this warped americanized

you know uh uh uh version of uh of of of

of communism it's like

look and i'm gonna be honest i'm gonna

say this man you shouldn't go in there

you shouldn't be arguing with all these

people man like like they're all your

friends dude you know bosh destiny luna

they're all your friends you could you

have no allies right now i remember

watching john's orchestra how are they

my friends

they believe in the same [ __ ] as you oh

you know they don't believe in anything

maybe you're a bit more based or

whatever but like at the at the end of

the day man it's like

i'm also i'm waiting for my partner as

well to join but i don't care so listen

yes let me ask a question

yeah look look yeah yeah sorry so the

masses of the american people

who don't virtue signal to me and don't

use the same terms i use

those are my enemies but valshanam is my

friends right

just because they use the same words as

i

yeah

yeah you guys are pretty much on the

same side it's just huge just because we

use some of the same words right

yeah

but the real masses of people the

working people who they call deplorable

reactionaries those are my enemies right

yeah man

look how

at the end of the day

you shouldn't be going around attacking

these these these innocent people man

it's like dude you're calling luna a

fraud even though she's yourself dude

she's a fraud she isn't dude yes she is

she's she's an accurate representation

of what sort of the modern day that's

that's if i take your word for it i

don't take your word for it

well not dude

it's just how it is over there man it's

like how do you know they're very you

know

hey

hey i don't know man but i'm just saying

i'm just saying

i've talked to these people i've talked

to a lot of these uh these these these

these vietnamese communists you know

people from like the i don't believe you

who are officially part of this party

but like you know they they i don't

believe i don't believe that vietnamese

communists have anything to do with

lunaway

they would agree with a lot of what she

says you know and like i don't agree

with that

right

well dude you're calling her a fraud she

is a friend i'm checking right

she isn't

and and she's being very clear

she's the 100

from

this whole you know victimization

complex that you're you know accusing

her of oh dude you know she's going in

there

trying to make it [ __ ] inside a

little bad about the vietnam war and

[ __ ] like that [ __ ] that happened 40

years ago right and like that's pretty

much what they're like as well over in

vietnam

and i'm being honest like

i i don't believe you how about that i

just don't believe you

you'll have to talk to some vietnamese

communists man it's like they are yeah i

have i actually have talked to some yeah

i've gotten dm's by vietnamese

communists saying thank you haze

thank you so much for what you said

well

look man

you're calling her a fraud you're

calling her you know you know all these

all these terrible things and you're and

you're talking [ __ ] about you know her

her boyfriend calling him a a a sex pat

you know a sexual uh a criminal or

whatever right did you did you read the

did you read the article

sorta i sort of can throw it yeah you

didn't read it you didn't [ __ ] do it

you could go read it again then and see

if that's what i said

uh

dude i'm sorry i'm i'm actually shaking

right now i'm actually very scared right

now uh but uh my debate partner is in

show cue at the moment and um

you know okay he has some things

we're both accusing you of being you

know

let's bring the debate partner what do

you want

hello

his mic is muted

okay

one moment

you don't want to acknowledge all the

good the west has done for

human civilization like that's my main

issue with you

you always point to the east as this

beacon of civilization when me as a

taiwanese american i admit that the west

and europe are superior in many regards

uh regarding civilization

uh regarding um

history all of that so yeah

okay so you have an inferiority complex

and that's my problem

no no i don't have an inferiority yeah

you do yeah you [ __ ]

yeah you [ __ ] dude

i think you have the inferiority really

really about it because you come from a

long line of

uh merchants and great warriors yet

you're throwing it all away for this

sort of

[ __ ] created by china and the soviet

union and uh this ideology wait i come

from a long line of what

yeah the merchants and warriors the

phoenicians dude so what

yeah so you should like reject this

[ __ ] and we should like what

[ __ ]

marxism

why

how is it [ __ ]

marxism is [ __ ] because it's so

idealistic it's founded on the premise

that everyone should be equal when no

it's not human yes it is

citation

citation all marxist literature okay one

citation okay

when you when marx refers to

the classes of people he doesn't specify

a singular race or a singular people

he's referring to them as a collective

that's equality

no it's not

citation

i don't need a [ __ ] citation

okay dude but you're rejecting your

ancestors for like

this theory created by a german guy

so what

yeah that's my problem how am i

rejecting my ancestors by doing that you

think my ancestors wanted me to not

learn from others

no and put it in my own way and think

about it on my own terms

that are in contradiction with their own

what's the contradiction

the contradiction is that marxism is

this like forced ideology on so many

people

and uh you're just picked it up

willy-nilly

that's just not true

i became a marxist as an extension

of coming from a shia background

and being fascinated and uh immersed in

the shia revolutionary tradition in the

middle east dude i want to convert to

shiaism that's the thing that hurts me

the most

okay

because you in a sense

while yeah you you like pick and choose

you take all the aspects of shiism which

in a sense mesh well with communism

uh for example the

the uh what's it called

the reverence of authority in sheism

there's always uh a higher it's more

hierarchical than soonism for example

painting communism the government or the

state

is uh you said you're taiwanese

yes

show me your face

why would i do that i'm not showing it

on stream show me your face yeah i'm not

gonna show it on stream show me your

face

no no i'm not gonna do that no no

oh okay so you're not taiwanese dude i

am taiwanese why would i lie about that

can you speak the language

like i said dude i'm second generation

so you can't speak anything in taiwanese

why would i want to learn some like

easternized [ __ ] i was born in the

west

okay

yeah that's literally it dude so you you

worship the west and you think the west

is superior to uh everyone else

i mean it's evident

right now why is that

well if we were to look at most major

scientific discoveries uh made in almost

every epoch except for maybe um

antiquity we see most of it even during

antiquity a lot of it that's just

apparently not true

it's only recently that a the

significant portion of uh discoveries

have been made

in the west that's a result of western

modernity but before then the centers of

enlightenment and innovation and

discovery

were not in europe

what do you mean they were not in europe

is greece and not in europe italy not in

europe

even if you include greece and italy

when you compare it to the egyptians the

persians the chinese

when you compare it to uh

even the central asian civilization when

you compare it to india

you're talking about nothing okay but

we're not living in antiquity or in the

medieval age well you're the one who

mentioned every epoch of history and

it's just not true

no well most people no not even most

what do you mean not even the most it's

true they're psyched no it's not true

it's not true

how is it not true when like most like

medicine most advancements yeah what's

happening outside of europe

no that's not true at all yes it's 100

true

do you have a source for this

yes any history book

you can get your [ __ ] hands on that

talks about it we'll confirm this

but the history the history books will

of course i'm not saying that these

advancements and these milestones didn't

exist

in uh other countries or other regions

let's just put it this way

europe

was a backwater peninsula of asia for

most of mankind's history

that is not true yes it is

that's not true yes it is not true

because first of all

greece while it is true ain't for

example ancient greece absorbs

everything

from the persians and the egyptians

and the indians

so some speculate i agree i agree with

you i agree with you there but

but greece

was a peninsula of the persian

civilization

greece was a peripheral

state to the persian civilization where

everything was actually going on

wait a minute wait a minute

greece

yes

saw itself closer to asia than it did to

europe you're 100

correctly you're 100 correct there the

greeks thought so-called europeans were

barbarians

yeah i know i know they didn't think

they were civilized

they didn't even think they shared

humanity with them

but the advance but while

egypt and persia and while they did have

their sort of revivals under the islamic

uh era and islamic ages

greece

sort of improved on the ideas presented

to them by uh persia and egypt which

started this sort of western hegemony

like in terms of western hegemony what

western hegemony the west as such did

not exist until the creation of the

western

catholic church

until the western roman empire there was

no west

well

first of all

we have to define what west means i'm

telling you the origins of the west the

origins of the west is the western roman

empire and the catholic church that's

the origin of the west

okay that's fair that's fair but at the

same time

like i've stated before

we are living in the modern era in which

most of what we take for sure i get it

matrices were invented by the muslims

but this sort of next step

in human evolution was presented to us

by the west

by your people dude

what

look

i consider and you're gonna you're gonna

freak out and i get it you're gonna

think i'm trolling but i'm being 100

serious

i consider egypt and persia and the

whole middle east a part of western

civilization

when i say eastern civilization i'm

referring to like

asia

proper in a sense hi you're just you're

just referring to places like china and

india right

exactly well yes i agree they did have

places that probably did

places that probably discovered more

than

western asia

no no that's not true yeah it is true

indian mathematics

uh

was among the most in the history of

mankind

the chinese civilization has produced

more insight they don't even know they

haven't even begin to unearth all the

things the chinese have always known and

had known in the past

i agree with you i'm not saying that

india and china didn't discover anything

or didn't advance any of the fields that

i'm referring to i'm not saying that

what i'm saying is that

china in india

compared to what the west achieved

throughout all of its person explaining

how

pale just pales in comparison really

so my question is but before before you

start with your inferiority complex

about the west why don't i just put

something into perspective really why

don't i just put something into

perspective for you if you want to be

very very generous

western world hegemony

is something that has existed maybe for

300 years

if you want to be very generous

300

maybe 400 if you want to push it years

okay

300 400 there are 10 000 years of

recorded human civilization

but in those 300 to 400 years in that

small amount of time when regarding

greater human achievement in that small

amount of time we have been sorry 5 000

years

is it 5 000 years yeah recorded

five thousand civilization for ten

thousand recorded for five thousand

okay within that recorded civilization

in those three hundred to four hundred

years we have

ushered ourselves into an age

previously unseen and that's thanks to

the west

no it's not thanks to the west

it's thanks to the combined

civilization of all mankind and the west

was the place

that merely reflected upon this

so no

it's not just thanks to the west

the west was a peninsula

that reflected upon this in its own way

but ultimately the modern world for

example was created in asia

if it wasn't for

the silk road there would be no

renaissance in italy

there would be no revival and

rediscovery of the sciences

and of philosophy

were it not for the silk roads and the

trade routes that were opened up by

asiatic empires

we're actually the great majority

of the wealth of mankind was actually

being produced

europe was peripheral in relation to all

of this

but why

even though they opened up the trade

routes why did you as you say these

renaissances this rediscovery of the

sciences these applications because the

west was based on because the west was

merely based on negation

it took all of the determinate wealth of

all civilizations

and it reduced it to the bluff

of a common negation

it was just a reaction and a response

and a negation

it was an abstraction

and the bluff is now being called with

the rise of china

and the rise

look of all in the rise of a new

multipolar or order

in which the older civilizations from

turkey to russia

to even latin america now

are beginning to be revived

to the bluff

of the west

and its challenge for humanity is now

being answered

but don't you think this is due to more

demographic shift than it is to no it's

sort of

are you sure

i mean if you think about it on the

surface level the demographic trips in

the west are allowing because there's

not there's no longer that you're that

strong european influence that once was

in the west these countries are having

it like they have the ability to rise

now because they have outside and inside

help hence why i like like i said i'm

taiwanese american

i know a lot of chinese americans many

of them while loyal to the us even

though they've never been to china they

still have a sort of connection there

and are willing to help them out

even if they've never been there it's

this sort of demographic shift

that aids these countries in their so

you know quote unquote revival the quote

unquote growth today

that's just a cope

what do you mean it's just the code

you're just coping

no it's not a cope yeah it is

please

okay but but like seriously though

these countries are going to get better

for sure but we have to give the west

credit where credit's due

so i'm not i never uh when have i said

the west and never contributed anything

to humanity

no you you

you basically said no you haven't said

that but you basically said that the

west

uh

is not was not really the determining

control no it's not

i know that's why i disagree though i

think it is i think i think for example

i come from taiwan and while you call it

an inferiority complex this is how the

majority of taiwanese people think like

they think like me if they think that

then the majority of them do have an

inferiority complex i just doubt the

majority do think like that

no it's true ask any taiwanese person

holy [ __ ] populist thank you so

popular what much

holy [ __ ] populist thank you so much man

appreciate you a lot

jesus

uh okay yeah but yeah a lot of them do

think like me they have the same belief

system that like taiwan because look if

it weren't for the west taiwan wouldn't

exist

we need them

we need to we need to up you know keep

taiwan stable and it's because of the

united states

if you're actually taiwanese which i

highly doubt

you coming on my show and uh

making a fool of yourself and just

shaming yourself wouldn't you be shaming

myself

what if i said that was shameful

yeah

listen didn't you call yourself a

patriot earlier when you were arguing

with that little kid

what

didn't you call yourself a patriot

when you were arguing with that little

kid

based

you said you were a patriot you said you

like this country

you even framed it within islam you said

do we don't bite that hand that feeds

you correct

hold on i'm reading a tweet what are you

saying

uh no i said you you called yourself a

patriot right

yes

yeah you called yourself a patriot so as

a patriot while you can disagree with

the united states in certain aspects you

have to admit the united states um

upholding the sanctity of taiwan is a

good thing because they're basically

in a sense keeping people safe because

if china got their hands on taiwan we'd

be [ __ ] dude

so i'm a patriot and i believe in this

country and its people

why the [ __ ] is my country halfway

around the [ __ ] world

no but but do you in a province of china

tell me why my country should be halfway

across the [ __ ] world

instead of focusing on ourselves

first of all it's not a province of

china uh second of all yes it is

no it isn't it's an independent free

state so what duty does my country have

to occupy some place halfway across the

world

is that

dude the united states doesn't occupy

taiwan okay

so why are we there why are we there

tell me why we're there

we're there because listen most why why

are we there

most taiwanese people don't want chinese

influence that's not our problem that's

not even if that was true it's not our

problem okay it might not be it might if

they listen listen listen listen we have

our own country taiwan is not a state of

this country if what the majority of

chinese people think that has nothing to

do with us

okay it might not be it might not be the

united states problem but your unit you

have to understand the united states is

a geopolitical actor if someone beckons

for the united states why do we have to

be there why do we have to be there

because taiwan asked them to be there

it's not a question so what

what do you mean so what it's it's

taiwan asked us to be there even if

that's true which is not

why are we there and by the way taiwan

didn't ask us to [ __ ] be there

the taiwanese people never wanted to be

independent from china

that's [ __ ] dude no they didn't that

the us pressure is what tried to

pressure and snake

the

kmt

with this separatist [ __ ] the kmt

didn't want separatism the kmt

first yeah the candy didn't want

separatism because they were the

rightful freaking government of china so

let them continue to believe that but

they don't want to be separatists

no they they didn't want to be

separatists because they perceived

themselves to be the original amt was

founded by son yatsen

yeah i'm aware the name of the party

which

inherits the name of sun yat-sen will

never ever allow china to be broken into

pieces they will never allow for china

to be broken into two pieces

look dude that's because taiwan is the

real china

then let them think that

let them make their case for the chinese

people then let them make their case

it's a matter internal to the chinese

people

and no one else the ccp will actually

listen to that case

the majority of the chinese people are

with the communist party

yeah just like how the majority of the

taiwanese people are with the united

states

okay well guess what

taiwan is not part of china now is it

i mean taiwan is not part of the united

states now is it

taiwan is an independent actor that yeah

so it's not relevant if the majority of

them want us there even if they did it's

not relevant

no it's not

china china is an imperialist

expansionist actor that's all it is

china's imperialist and expansionist

because it lays claim

to some a part of china that's always

been a part of china for hundreds and

hundreds of years but the us isn't

expansionistic

because it's halfway across the [ __ ]

world meddling in people's affairs over

business that has no con that is of no

concern to america or its people right

i'm talking about taiwan you're talking

in general in the case of taiwan i'm

saying that taiwan wants the united

states to be there i don't care who

cares

about the taiwanese people who cares

we're not their government

okay they're not okay i get it we are

not their government they don't vote

they're not citizens and they don't pay

taxes

you can make you can make the same case

for many different countries yeah i am

making the case for all other countries

who collaborated with the not so for

example do you want japan

to have a military like able to be able

to wage war again do you want that

that has that is of no concern to me

that's not that's of no concern to you

if japan tries to re-ignite

its

former aggression against asian

countries

that will be for japan to have to deal

with

and let me tell you the prospects don't

look bright but something tells me the

japanese people don't want that

let me ask you one question has and then

then i'll [ __ ] off from your chat okay

i'll just one question

if china wasn't communist would you

still have these takes

yes

if china was ruled by a confucian

uh theocracy it would be the same thing

like

[ __ ]

racist you know chinese people are

racist as hell right you know i don't

care and i doubt that they're not racist

they're just honest

they're not they're just honest they

they're wary of foreigners in general

they're not racist

if that were the case then white monkey

jobs wouldn't exist in china and blacks

wouldn't be discriminated the way they

were there

everyone who's a foreigner is going to

receive discrimination in china

well whites whites seem to do pretty

well for themselves you know there's a

couple of white people in china no

that's actually that's no longer really

the case actually what do you mean by

that

they're no longer getting special

treatment the culture's changed

that's not dude

come on paws come on look it up

white monkey jobs still exist in china

today there's no this is not it's not as

much as before they don't get special

treatment anymore

that's why so many of them are vlogging

and leaving and uh being butthurt about

it because nobody they're not they're

not seen as exotic or interesting at all

anymore

i've been to a mcdonald's look i'm gonna

tell you something i normally don't this

is a true story you're gonna think it's

[ __ ] but this is 100 true i went to

beijing

was it

three or four years ago

and i went to a mcdonald's

and there was a black guy in there who

worked as a cashier he spoke he spoke

fluent mandarin his mandarin was

excellent but

when a chinese per like it was this one

chinese old lady

she didn't see him her back was turned

to him and she turned around and she was

like

and then she like ran away at the mere

sight of a black guy it's not because

chinese people are racist it's because

they're not used to seeing people who

look different probably she wasn't used

to seeing someone who looks different

she was an old woman who lived in china

without seeing people who looked very

different from she did

and there's nothing it's not inherently

racist it's just

she was probably shocked that someone

looked different

if that's true it's assuming what you're

saying is true

it's not racist racism for example

is dehumanization racism for example is

having a country with a history of

slavery

and actual racial

discrimination against black people and

treating them as second-class citizens

because you're saying you're superior

and they're inferior people being

surprised or fascinated or

even afraid of foreigners

because they're just not used to seeing

them is not inherently racist

firstly how is china supposed to take

black slaves from africa considering

their geographical uh position

second of all

there were people literally avoiding

his you know cashier or whatever you

know cash register thing whatever you

want to call it because he was black

this is what you're saying is true

which i doubt

china is a humanistic civilization

and i'm sure china has an internal

dialogue about

the widespread conceptions and

treatments of foreigners to the extent

that it becomes an issue but as far as

i'm concerned

there's nothing inherently racist about

china's treatment of foreigners

there's nothing inherently racist no

there is implying that chinese people i

don't like you you're not really

implying it i'm sorry i don't want to

accuse you of anything i look up to you

by the way can i just get that out of

the way i look up to you i don't want to

say you're implying this

but you're implying that

chinese people

don't really have access to the i mean

they don't have access to the internet

if you think about it but chinese

civilization

has had no history of colonizing random

foreign countries so they don't have a

phenomena of mass immigration where

they're going to be exposed to different

cultures and different peoples on a

day-to-day basis

first of all china

what you

when you think in your head when you

think of china

that is comprised of different

ethnic groups

it's that entire land yeah and that's

why as far as the ethnic groups that are

indigenous to china people have come to

an understanding to be able to deal with

each other and interact with each other

but as far as complete foreigners are

concerned

it can be intimidating for some

especially older and rural chinese

people

who don't know how to interact with them

they just don't

they just uh you know they're just

different people

they look different i mean and they

don't know

you know it's just different it's

different to them there's nothing racist

about that

but they didn't come to an understanding

there's still ethnic conflict in china

today

it's it's not as reported on so you

probably don't but they've come to it

they've more or less come to an

understanding

whatever extent of ethnic conflict

exists within china it's nowhere like

the us

china listen

china

is a country yeah okay wait a minute

wait a minute look did i

hear what you just said correctly it's

nowhere like the

us paz

they're not putting people in the u.s

here in camps

they're not doing that

they're not doing that in china either

huh

the ap press just released an article

saying oh i guess they're not doing it

anymore

you first of all

look who the ap press is owned by

and then come back and tell me why you

think they said that owned by

the jews

hold on

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