The Final Chapter of Neocuckservatism

yo

i'm good thanks thanks for having me

here it's interesting i think a lot of

people have been waiting to see me and

haw's debate for months basically since

like february so let's go let's flip and

go glad we're able to do this so yeah if

you want to introduce yourself tell

people where you lie on the political

spectrum and where people can find you

wonderful yeah so thanks for uh bringing

me on here

i always down to debate uh so i'm kevin

castle i run the channel superpower

broadcasting at the moment you can find

me on twitch i stream to twitch every

day i also run a youtube channel

unfortunately at the moment the youtube

channel is down uh because we've been

spammed with frivolous copyright claims

over uh tick tocks uh that were posted

by a former political partner of mine

who after we discovered was basically a

fascist we had uh it kicked them of our

community and uh they posted tick tocks

calling for the death of atheists we

reacted to those they've spammed

copyright infringement against us so the

channel's probably going to be down for

a little while unfortunately but you can

keep up with me over on twitch in the

meantime that's superpower broadcasting

as far as my political

position uh i'm pretty socially liberal

a little a little bit right a center on

a lot of economic stuff and i am very

very much proactive

and hawkish in a foreign policy

dimension in terms of assuring and

securing western liberal hegemony

throughout the world so that all people

regardless of where they're born can be

given the same opportunities and

freedoms and rights as any of us that

were privileged enough to be born in the

west so thank you all right thank you

next up we have

haas how are you

i'm doing good you know what i'm saying

ready to put some beta males in their

place if you know what i mean but um

no i'm haz

marxist leninism

in the age of multi-polarity in the

post-covert world

i never paid anyone in my life to debate

but kevin made that up we're gonna

address that claim too

um basically my position is basically

this so we're entering a multi-polar era

right it's not about morality about what

we should or shouldn't do it's about

can you wake up and get with the program

or are you gonna keep coping

um

like our friend

kevin castle so kevin actually me and

kevin let me get some background story

we actually have a history of some sort

right

so i'm gonna break it down like this

kevin and his five friends right he's a

two viewer andy right so he's like

nobody so his five friends were

harassing me all day like endlessly

right nonstop

to debate me and i had a protocol in

places you got to debate the discord

first because the song soul guy he was

doing fucked up shit so he made us put

that in place

so i finally agreed to debate him and

then he wanted to watch cnn instead

so he lost his opportunity he lost his

chance

but not not only did he say he's gonna

debate me

he said he's gonna dictate the terms

but you know what i mean like what

leverage does he have he's a two viewer

andy nobody even knows who he is

so it ended there

uh he basically took the yell he ran

away from me

but i've been debating on politically

provoked and i debate a whole lot of

irrelevant people uh you know does a

very good job moderating does a very

good job filtering people

so when i heard that he wanted to debate

on this platform and he let go of his

delusion that he was going to dictate

platforms and that it was going to be on

his show

i said sure why not

and here we are and now

we're gonna see what kevin is made of

and whether all of that

energy he was putting into

all that time before and on twitter

where he's typing with his hands on his

keyboard

we're gonna see what kevin

is really made of here

so i'm excited

as opposed to typing with your feet

or how about how about speaking like a

man with your voice

yeah so so how about this how about we

get over the lies so to clarify about

that whole

incident six months ago when you say oh

but you want to watch cnn instead i had

a scheduled

uh stream a week in advance which we do

yeah i know you scheduled we do

everything you're doing

we do everything listening

kevin i'm sure you're very busy

but you're a true viewer andy you are in

your own position to dictate

you times

the time had less than two thousand so

they were about ten times as big as you

are so even if i was going to be a tiger

chasing clout i'm still going with them

not to mention you got two views

throughout the world

they gave you

five years 300 views dude we got like

700 views dude currently

on on that particular episode no

concurrently like live viewers how much

live viewers did you get for that

episode

we had about 80 or something why like

it's not

like two views you're lying dude but

that's not true that's not true you had

your gorillas in there they were some of

the viewers but this is a long term and

then this is a long time

right this is a 50-year project a you

don't get famous overnight right like

these whole get ready

america's probably not going to exist in

50 years i don't know where you're

waiting 50 years to do this come on

uh well not not if not if uh america

takes your advice sure but um but i

think on that we might actually have a

bit of common ground which is that uh

i'm arguing for how the west can best

promote itself you're arguing for how

the west can under or how to undermine

the west if i called you auntie western

you're not even gonna take that as an

insult so we're we're on different sides

here right now it depends so see like

i'm against western unipolarity and

western imperialism and neocolonialism

but as far as the western people are

concerned living in western countries

i'm not against them not against western

people i think the best course of action

for western people is to um get away

from these foreign interventions and

this unipolar and imperialist

pretensions which as we can see in

france in germany with the civil unrest

going on there and as we can see in

america with its own internal political

turmoil imperialism does not benefit

western people communists are people

oriented we don't hate any people we

think we want to do what's best for the

people of each country and for people in

western countries

this

american empire has been the bane of

their existence deindustrialization the

opioid crisis

it's an era on its way out so you can

keep coping or you can wake up and smell

the coffee so so multi-polarity is not a

stable equilibrium unipolarity is stable

the question is who's going to be the

unipolar hegemon into the future you

have either russia china you've got

communist china fascist russia liberal

america those are your three choices for

all intents and purposes okay let's

let's break that down so you say unit

polarity is stable

okay sorry and then you're saying

multi-polarity is not stable something

that

is coming out being now well let's

be honest

don't interrupt me

i didn't interrupt you so don't

interrupt me we can play this ugly game

you won't win so kevin

you american unit polarity you claim is

stable which is patently false it's the

source that's the number one source of

geopolitical instability in the modern

world as of now now we don't know what

kind of stability a multi-polar order is

going to have but what we do know is

that neither china nor russia whether

it's from the perspective of their

immediate self-interest which is what

we're talking about or you know i know

you're cynical most people are cynical

they don't buy it is from their

perspective of a moral and value and

traditional perspective whichever way

you look from it they have no ambitions

to

adopt the mantle of american union

polarity actually chinese theorists have

talked about how american unipolarity is

the very source is the very source of

america's demise it's a contradiction

um an imminent contradiction that has

led to the deindustrialization of

america and has led to the current

political crisis within america chinese

thinkers are very very well attuned to

that fact and they do not want to seize

the mantle of american unit polarity

because they know the ultimate

consequence of that would be the

destruction of their own country

internally so they focus on an internal

developmentalist model and then on the

economic level win-win agreements

between sovereign countries without

encroaching on the sovereignty of any

country so it's simple

so you think that it was a win-win when

they ruined sri lanka's economy or kenya

or any of these yeah

we can actually talk about the sri

lankan economy what actually happened in

the case of sri lanka is that sri lanka

got itself into a hole because of the

imf and because of western loans and

that the sri lankan government wanted to

enter into a partnership with china

concerning one port and china's role in

sri lanka's economy was completely

minuscule and yet foreign observers have

harped on the case of sri lanka

just because it's a case in which china

has entered into an economic agreement

with a country based on a port when that

economy when that country's economy was

in dire states because of its own

government it's not china's fault sri

lanka has a shitty government china's

not going to impose its own good

governance on other countries so when

countries have shitty governments it's

the chinese will deal with them it's not

their business they're not going to

intervene and instill what they consider

a preferable government and that's true

for kenya that's true for africa so if

you think that deals between china and

africa aren't fair

for african people that's the business

of those people they should overthrow

their government and renegotiate new

terms there's actually examples of this

in history when the syriza government

got into power in greece there was a

really shitty deal with china concerning

the sale of a greek port and the greek

workers were not really getting much out

of it

syriza brought the chinese officials and

negotiated them on new terms in a way

that benefited greece and the chinese

were very hospitable they were very

generous in

giving the greek government what they

wanted so again it's not china's fault

it's these corrupt government's fault

and it's the business of the people to

attend to their own country attend to

their own government it's not china's

business

so china takes advantage of countries

that have weak political leadership or

big corruption and they're very

interested in buying off their support

like at the united nations for

recognition against taiwan for example

uh sri lanka and kenya are two examples

of where they basically got them

indentured into these debt contracts

where they knew that they wouldn't be

able to actually pay it off for

infrastructure they didn't really

exactly need and now china basically

owns this port and china's going to own

the railway and everything over in kenya

it's what it is is it amounts to you'd

like to use the term imperialism but

what china is doing with the belt and

road is beijing-centric imperialism it's

infrastructure projects that really only

china needs and it's touted as this

win-win but at the end of the day the

only people that win from it are corrupt

politicians that sign the deals with the

ccp and the communist party in china you

mentioned good governance they're

literally committing a genocide right

now in xinjiang as well as running a

police state that just banned video

games for example and yeah let's see

let's rein it a little bit and go one by

one because this is a lot of claims

so the first thing you're talking about

when it comes to china's exploitative

and predatory relationship to corrupt

and bad governments this would make

sense if it wasn't for the fact that

china is continually offering poor

countries debt relief they just gave

poor countries 2.1 billion in debt

relief china's been very understanding

with these countries and their inability

to pay off bones and um i can't see how

you could describe that relationship as

predatory or china taking advantage

whatsoever i think china has been

following its basic

the ethics of its confucian civilization

and basically coming to an understanding

with other countries that you know it's

not going to act like a savage barbarian

like anglo-saxon civilizations have like

britain which outright looted and

completely took over and colonized

countries and treated them like a pirate

treats uh its booty

and in the case of america which has be

either behind the scenes orchestrated

regime changes coups

sold instability and division and

turmoil

uh or had has just outright invaded

countries in order to impose its own

specific political system i mean even if

we were to ext accept the maximal extent

of your accusations against china in

relation to other countries

it's nowhere near the crimes depravity

and barbarism of anglo-saxon so-called

civilization now as to the second claim

regarding the oygodo genocide i'm going

to go and ahead and say there is no

genocide against

within china so if we want to pursue

that specific uh

line of argumentation and debate we can

go down that road too now regarding

china's recent cultural policies banning

video games and banning kind of k-pop

and more promoting masculinity within

its country i think that's absolutely

fucking beautiful i think that's why a

lot of people are starting to wake up

and realize that china's the most based

chad country on fucking planet earth and

i wish america was the same way

so yeah you basically the problem here

right so the problem here is you

mentioned that

uh that well the us has done

interventions and all this kind of stuff

too it's like well yeah i mean i'm an

advocate of that i'm an interventionist

i'm not going to deny that uh it matters

what you're intervening on behalf of so

if you're intervening to promote

liberalism uh democracy and uh like

basically western values that's a good

thing when china does uh when china goes

out in the world they basically they

prop up these regimes that they have no

interest in reforming

that are

are basically uh puppet states like you

mentioned the debt relief that's another

tactic that they use to bring these

countries under their heel

and to get them on their side against

taiwan and freeway you can't you can't

have it both ways you can on the one

hand the only reason i brought up debt

relief is because you're accusing china

of taking advantage of vulnerable

countries so when china is actually

doing the opposite now you can go ahead

and ship the tune to saying that this is

a tactic to prop up puppet governments

now you're saying that china's not

reforming these countries governments

it's not because china is actually being

true to the so-called western democratic

values of the 17th and 18th and 19th

century according to which you don't

it's the people

of a country who decide their own fate

not not foreigners foreigners are not

going to decide the fate of a country

that it's the business and belonging of

the people living in that country to

choose their own destiny and choose

their own fate it's not china's business

to choose

what government people are going to have

now regarding american intervention i'm

actually going to contest the claim that

america has ever intervened on behalf of

so-called liberalism freedom and

democracy

it's just patently not true in each

specific case of u.s intervention we can

locate a web of private interests

and in addition to private interest

general interests of the u.s foreign

policy in maintaining its global

economic order now it can cloud that in

the phrases of liberty and

other ideological mishmash

but the truth is is that u.s

intervention if it was premised on the

basis of spreading liberal values and

whatnot there's a whole host of u.s

allies we would have invaded who we

don't because we don't actually care

about so-called liberalism and democracy

we care about maintaining

the post-bretton wood system that was

initiated in the 1970s which is the

backbone of

global order as the u.s sees it now as a

final point i know this is kind of

veering off a little bit

you know i really actually wouldn't even

grant you the claim that you're a

neo-conservative and that this actually

represents what your position is i think

uh kevin i think you're actually an

anarchist i think you're adopting a

position so utterly foreign and removed

not only from the time period in which

we live but from the basic sensibilities

of almost everyone who lives in this

country america that it is aiken to just

you know

displaying a middle finger in front of

everyone around you like you're

basically saying fuck society like

everyone's wrong about the neocons

actually being uh having disastrous

policies and leading us to a really bad

situation i'm actually gonna be in favor

of that well you're really a tiny

minority and it's almost like it's kind

of like a rebellion right it's really

anarchistic it's just you may as well be

like a anarcho primitivist that's how

like outlandish your position is in

relation to the current reality

so

i i like the comparison to anarchy

because like i'm an advocate i i

recommend hobbs to people i'm a statist

anarchist in if you haven't looked they

don't like me they're not really fans of

me i don't call myself a neocon anymore

i use the term liberal hawk or liberal

unilateralist or you even say like a

progressive warhawk uh for me and when i

when i'm interested in at the end of the

day it's like

obviously it's it's western hegemony

because like i said multi-polarity is

not

it's not stable it's not a sustainable

equilibrium in the long run you

mentioned how well we're going to see

how it plays out now but we can look to

the past halls and we can actually see

how multi-polarity played out before

great example uh the run up to world war

one the world was very multi-polar power

was dispersed amongst a lot of great

powers there was a lot of trade and it

led to a huge war we can look at world

war two the run up to that was my people

confused so few things right i don't

believe you call yourself anarchist

ideologically you obviously don't

identify with that but i think in

practical terms like when it comes to

the practical reality you are

indistinguishable from an anarchist that

was really i'm a status though yeah but

you call yourself i mean look a lot of

people call themselves status

who are in actual practical reality

anarchist because it's about the

relationship you have to the current

state not the one you have in your head

but anyway it's so it's not relevant now

the second thing

um

you know the major problem with what

you're saying here regarding

multi-polarity is that polarity is a

very specific concept that doesn't just

refer to who's in charge a global system

as such did not exist

before american unipolarity um you know

you could call that imperialism there is

many competing and rivaling imperialist

powers but polarity as such which refers

to a great deal more than just who's the

big you know the big guy in town didn't

even exist in the first place

right so i studied international

relations in school multi-polarity

refers to

the polls in the system so you could

talk about pre-world war one right you

had awesome there was no

no no when i say world system haws

this is important this is an important

definition i'm not talking about like

some ordered structure like the un or

something i'm talking about the order of

the world not like there's some dude

there was there was none yes there was

none no no but you're missing what i'm

saying so we can talk about the universe

we can talk about the solar system as a

system it doesn't mean that there's

police to enforce anything it's just

it's a system i know what you're trying

to say i know what you're trying to say

it's not a formal you know i'm not

saying it's just a formal system i'm

saying a world system as such

only emerged after the us unit period of

unipolarity after world war ii before

then there was no real shared world as

we know it the european powers were

competing for the mantle of what we

would call world hegemony now yeah there

was a multi-polar order no no no no it

was multi-polar it was no no it's an

important distinction right and we can

go to the economic details if you want

and why this is

but european powers were competing for

the mantle the one singular mantle of

what we can call polarity pop uh proper

because polarity is not just how much

leverage or power you have in relation

to other countries polarity actually

refers to a specific kind of

economic relationship to the world in

what way

do you represent a polar orientation a

center around which various countries um

kind of satellite are satellites for so

for example in the case of the us

the reason we call it uni polarity is

because of obviously the bretton wood

system and the specific system of

the recycling of the us dollar and

recycling of american surpluses and

profits to develop other countries this

situated america as the single pole

of the world but

similar relations and wars between

currency and currency politics are now

emerging which is why we call it

multi-polarity we don't just call it

multi-polarity because america is losing

you know um it's unilateral power it's

because there are various different

economic polls that are emerging in the

world which represent

uh the decentralization of the world

system that emerged after world war ii

so it's a very important distinction

so you're basically using like marxian

sort of language here to describe

polarity i'm talking about an

introduction

i didn't really i didn't use any concept

unique or exclusive to marxism

whatsoever i mean anything and you're

missing the point though we're not

really so much talking about economics

here we're talking about the

distribution of power in the world if in

the run-up to world war one you can say

oh well they were all competing for

who's the top dog there was no top dog

yet it was multi-polar it was

disrespectful

there was no acknowledgment before in

world war one of different poles there

were no poles there was not even one

pole that was established yet so there

couldn't be different poles that's what

i'm trying to tell you uh worldwide that

logic by that logic there couldn't have

been rocks before a few thousand years

ago because we didn't have a term to

define rocks so therefore everything in

the universe didn't exist until humans

gave a definition to it yeah you can go

back and describe a condition yes

reel it back a little bit okay you just

no but you're embarrassing yourself

you're embarrassed no but this is a

tactic that you're i'm trying to do

you're you're over complicating it

you're overconscious

i'm not i'm not saying it's the same you

do okay i'm not saying numerous times

kevin where kevin please kevin don't

make it in the cold kevin

oh well they didn't use the current term

for it listen to the term that i'm using

kevin you're hurting yourself

you're literally

to save time kevin no one is saying that

the reason we should not describe the

word polarity to describe the pre-world

war two state of the world not just

pre-world war one um is because there

wasn't a concept for it back then i'm

saying that polarity refers to a

intelligibly different system an

intelligibly different

um it's it's a concept whose object is

intelligibly different to the point

where we could say even if we didn't

have the word for it back then it still

had not yet emerged and i kind of

explained that the form of the bretton

woods system and the relationship

between

uh industrial um industrial centers of

power and hinterlands and so on and so

on like for example now this is the

relationship germany has to southern

europe right within the form of the eu

so that's a poll you can call it a poll

but

regardless like

i think you just don't understand

uh what is actually being said here so

you talk about rocks in the universe and

stuff really just embarrassing yourself

no it's because you're trying to say

that we can't qualify the state of the

world order and the run-up to world war

one has multipolar because pete bought

the time being called multi-polar no no

but it is it meets the definition

in international relations of

multi-polarity polarity and

international i think you need to go

back to school distribution of power

did you just listen to what i said or

not

or multiple states did you just listen

to where's the point i'm telling you it

has nothing to do with it there's

actually a reason why i'm trying to be

an economic reductionist it's about

economics it's about power because every

time you say oh well no that can't be

to use the word polarity then use a

different word just say uh unilateralism

or bilateralism or you can say well no

that that is a state's relation to other

states

that's not about the world order though

you can use um decentralized power you

can say there's no one singular power or

something but there's no need to use the

word polarity if you don't even know

what that concept is

no but the irony here is you don't know

in international relations what polarity

refers to i'm going to bring up the

definition of hilarious rarity is tied

to world systems theory which is tied to

thinkers like emmanuel wallerstein and

others i'm very familiar with the

literature on the subject kevin yeah but

it doesn't sound like it but it is

hilarity refers to a great deal more

than just power okay

that's if you don't understand that i

don't think you went to school

that's ridiculous you're in law school

and you're in law school to my

understanding and your your reduction of

these definitions to try to comply with

your specific view is super cringy and

wouldn't hold up importantly

let's look at definitions because you're

not going to agree on what polarity

means because you're you don't know no

i'm literally telling you

kevin if we have a semantic difference

that we need to overcome the best course

of action is to just agree we're not

going to agree about what the meaning of

the word polarity is and go to the uh

relevant um

differently intelligible objects that

are under contention so what i'm trying

to say is that there is a identifiable

reason why multi-polarity would not mean

the return to the pre-world war one

system now you can say that both are

multi-polar orders something i would

disagree with but even if i were to

grant you that it still doesn't make a

difference because i'm making the

current emerging multi-polar order

intelligibly different in a way that

doesn't allow us to equate it to the

pre-world war one order in that case

multi-polarity would be inessential to

um comparing them because there is

something that differentiates them that

i am elevating to the status of an

essence

okay so

i know you have a hard time like

debating but you really got to follow

the course of argumentation because you

waste a lot of time over semantics that

don't matter

so so here we go with the whole

anglo-box thing again definitions don't

matter unless haas is using the

definitions then they matter did you

just hear what i said it's not about

whether the definitions matter or not

it's about what is essential as the

point of contention in this argument and

just because just because you want to

think that they're both they're the same

because you want to think that they are

the same because you're calling i'm not

saying they're the exact same it doesn't

address the ways in which they're

i've qualified

kevin kevin shut up i'm qualified for

you shut up shut up i'm literally kevin

kevin i'm the alpha here kevin kevin i'm

the dominant man shut up

shut up i'm the dominant male 1 don't

don't resume

you're gonna get yourself in trouble

don't fight it just accept it listen

kevin dude

kevin kevin listen listen listen i need

you to understand something this has

nothing to do with definitions i'm

raising a point that you're not

addressing you're just saying they're

the same without addressing the ways in

which i've described to you how they're

not the same so can we actually no

you're just trying to say that that the

semantics don't matter anymore because

you lost on the semantics

but you didn't run over

dude have you studied work systems

theory have you studied have you studied

what the meaning of polarity is

pre-world war one you're you're trying

to talk about you're trying to

polarity i'm trying to

yeah all i'm trying to say is that no

i'm not conceding as to

about

the meaning of multi-polarity you're

talking out of your fucking ass you

don't know what you're talking about you

sound embarrassing but

if you really want to cling and

stubbornly cling to that point i'm doing

you a favor if we're not going to agree

about what the word multi-polarity means

we can just address the point of

contention

um under which the word was being used

to describe for now i described the

emerging multi-polar order as

qualitatively different than the one

before world war one and i actually

backed that up with some kind of content

i actually said why it's different and

i'm elevating that to an essential point

of distinction you're not acknowledging

the distinction whatsoever you're just

going back to the contention over the

meaning of the word multi-polarity why

do you do i think you're dwelling in a

semantical difference because you're

actually scared to argue over what we're

really trying to talk about in the first

place well no no we can talk about the

current order emerging we can talk about

that too what i was saying what i was

saying before we went into this was that

multi-polarity is not stable

now i wasn't saying that the

multi-polarity that's emerging now is

the same as that which existed before

world war one what i'm saying is it's

not a stable equilibrium and it will

give way to a unipolar hegemony i'll

i'll break it down usually how that

happens is a world war yeah so i'll

break down your logical incoherence so

that you could like it's re all on the

table you could see why you're not very

smart so kevin let me explain it to you

like this

you are saying multipolar orders are not

stable and you're using the pre-world

war one situation as evidence for that

is that correct

yeah i'm not saying they're the same i'm

just saying that that order

kevin if you if you haven't noticed i've

understood everything you've said up to

this point i'm just trying to help you

right now right because i don't think

you understand where i'm at

so i have put forward an argument about

why the current emerging multi-polar

order would not be as unstable it

wouldn't have the essence of the

instability of the pre-world war one one

and the reason for that is because in

world war one

they were attempting to seize hegemony

over the position that america would

come to occupy after world war ii now

i'm trying to say is that america's

position is now being decentralized

we're not returning to a hobbsian jungle

in which we're going to fight over it

once again that's that's beyond us the

the mantle of unit polarity adopt held

by america will never be held by anyone

else ever again

so what i'm actually trying to say is a

specific argument in a specific point

there's no need to keep dwelling in

semantics when you haven't even

addressed the point which is

how can you argue that the current

emerging multi-polar order will be just

as unstable

as the order before world war one

when in fact

there are qualitative differences i have

pointed out

that would probably lead us to believe

that it wouldn't have that same

instability

right so you point out differences to be

clear to be clear dude i'm not um

arguing that it's impossible that there

will be instability in the future

because of the emerging multi-polar

order by any means but i'm just saying

you can't use world war one as evidence

because if it's going to be unstable

it's going to be quality it's going to

be unstable in a qualitatively different

way

okay well my point was specifically

about the instability of it the reason

why it's unstable and why

uh you can say well there are different

economic relations now you can say that

power is more decentralized now maybe

there will be more polls than there were

in the run-up to world war one where

they were all concentrated in a similar

geographic area the point for me is that

the world system has always been and for

the time being will be anarchic and what

that means is that there's no real world

police people joke about america being

the world police but like realistically

if china does a genocide or russia does

some shit or russia invades ukraine uh

if nobody like the us intervenes they

get away with it there's not like some

world police that just stepped down and

zapped them magically so uh the reason

why it's going to be an unstable is that

uh you're still going to have that power

vacuum at the international level and so

as much as you can say well nobody's

going to have that hegemon that america

has had that title i disagree with that

i would like to see america keep it but

the point is whether it's china or it's

russia or it's a new power that emerges

or a cluster of powers acting in

cohesion

there is going to be a hegemon that

emerges because that's the only real

stable equilibrium in the long run and

we'll continue having world wars until

we get there and you mentioned some

qualitative differences in terms of the

economic relations you can talk about

how well the world is more i guess more

intertwined in terms of trade except we

had a higher percentage of world gdp

comprise the trade before world war one

right not the argument though that's not

the argument

what's your argument yeah the argument

is about the specific relationship

between developing countries and

developed countries specifically

developing countries which are no longer

colonies that are going to be competed

over uh to be directly plundered and

looted and seized but countries that are

that require a need to take advantage of

the differences in the concentration of

capital uh in order to industrialize

themselves now and and layman's speak

countries need the surpluses of

production in the advanced countries in

order to develop themselves

um otherwise they're going to have to

engage in their own kinds of um you know

all-encompassing agricultural

revolutions as we saw in the soviet

union and china to adopt an independent

path to modernity but we know that this

leads to a lot of social political and

economic uh turmoil that most countries

are not prepared to

experience and also it also presupposes

that they occupy a sufficiently large

land mass and a lot of other things

but so yeah most countries rely on

advanced countries in order to develop

now this is really the key to what

separates the multi-polar order from the

order before world war one is that it's

not actually competition

over colonies and you have to understand

that that's what was going on they were

competing over the resources and

colonies and land space

of the world whether in europe or beyond

europe

um

specifically there were competing um

industries

requiring different raw materials and

resources and so on and so on so but the

situation is very different now right so

instead of a war you have to understand

wars are political war is an extension

of politics and vice versa it's clos

vitzian right most states at least

formally despite all neocolonialism are

sovereign countries now right so it

doesn't make sense that wars are going

to be waged for them as in the case of

world the boat

two world wars because both world wars

were about either sovereign disputes of

sovereignty or lack thereof so

sovereignty is really the key when you

already have the sovereign states that

countries like america and china are

competing over

uh in terms of the possessing economic

relationships too

it's not the same and it's not

comparable now you're calling

american union polarity stable now i

kind of sounded like you're saying it's

not stable and it's and i agree with you

it's not stable right

so if it's already not stable i don't

see what the difference is going to be

you're obviously not going to create a

global order

um whatsoever because a global order

presupposes a center of power that's

ruling over everyone so i don't think

that's even possible but what i do think

is that countries can pursue in a way

guided by china's example not by force

not by

political coercion or enshrining some

kind of um

political hegemony in the form of

military interventions and the threat of

being invaded but can follow china's

example both as a

as a effective model of development for

underdeveloped or

developing countries and as a way

to conduct foreign relations now believe

it or not

you know cynical people will disagree

with this but

for a long time in history especially

when it comes to states like china

foreign relations were not conducted

on bond of the pure threat of force and

uh and extinction foreign relations

followed traditions and customs based on

mutual respect that just lines are just

not crossed based on some kind of

minimal values confucian

values in the case of china so a return

to this kind of status quo even if it's

a little bit utopian

is i think way more realistic and better

to aspire to as opposed to the kind of

genocidal extinctionism

of your anarchistic kind of larp that's

what you're putting up so you're the

country that you're defending right now

is literally conducting a genocide i

want to know for the record here that

uh when we're talking about polarity and

when we're talking about unipolarity and

american hegemony the reason why it's

dwindling right now is actually it's a

self dwindling it's the first time in

history the romans never just gave up

their empire by choice the british

didn't do it by choice that way but in

america foreign anything further we just

have to establish there's there's not a

way to go to genocide

you made a claim we have to address

about the genocide in china

is because of the self cucking by

washington it's the first time in

history that you've seen us now i don't

consider american empire but you you

probably would it's the first time

you've seen an empire so to speak give

up its own mantle and that's because of

these russian memes

and other countries memes that are

perpetrated within the country to make

the american people hate themselves and

hate their own interests abroad and

support giving up let's see

i don't know how many players of

interest in central asia listen i don't

know how many layers of insanity we're

on so i just want to get some some

things clear so first of all

china's not conducting a genocide it's

not been proven there's no evidence for

that that the most they have that's not

true the mostly accused of doing is a

cultural genocide which itself is

another thing they made up now the

second thing that you said was that um

the reason why america is in decline is

not because it is collapsing under the

weight of its own imminent

contradictions which is an argument that

is far more coherent far more defensible

and far more based in reality but

actually because for two reasons one

they're not listening to kevin castle

right kevin castle would really save

washington from the mess that it's in

now and the second reason and ironically

and i quote this ad verbatim russian

memes

can you please give me an example of

these russian memes that are leading to

the demise of the americans so the

internet research agency for example has

run various different facebook groups i

know promoting everything right

promoting the all

you literally asked for an example i

gave you an example one of their

institutions that's been doing this the

internet research

can you show us the memes that are

leading to the collapse of the american

empire just like an example yeah yeah

you can see him on twitter all the time

the idea that america's

show me

i don't need specific memes

by somebody by some magical alchemy

information listen these names are

powerful i i kind of want these friends

i want you to show me one of these memes

because i want to seize the memes

because they have so much power they can

bring down an empire imagine what i

could do with them right so so you deny

so you deny the internet research agency

running different facebook groups to pin

the far right and the far left against

each other in america to weaken american

uh institutions and civil society i can

address this in two prongs remember well

well no i mean we're getting off we're

getting off topic right now let's keep

going don't backtrack don't worry about

that

kevin kevin kevin we're going to address

this

we're going to address it let's get

let's not walk it back let's not walk it

back let's not walk it back

back track andy let's not walk it back

let's

kevin let's go back to the memes so two

things the internet research agency the

groups that had found guilty of these

were so minuscule in relevance and

significance it's laughable if you

actually look at these but that's not

true yeah they were it's not true though

they literally like that

in the streets kevin and the second

thing though is that even if i were to

agree with you that the internet

research agency had all these really

widespread popular memes and it was

really you know reaching a lot of people

on facebook remember that you said that

russian memes are responsible for the

decline of the american empire so no i

said it was a factor in america giving

up its own power in the world

because the american people have been

brainwashed on a diet of russia today

and michael moore to hate themselves and

hate their national

let me give you their interests

americans love themselves

when the deep state engages in foreign

interventions

okay alex jones get up

no no you haven't you can't even grasp

basically

you want to talk about that

your understanding of international

relations just below the data level

you're like

dude you're literally

at this point dude that's your

understanding here no you

so these memes that so you're saying the

american people

uh they hate themselves when they're

trying to address the problem of

deindustrialization

joblessness jobs moving overseas in the

opioid crisis these are examples of

america loving itself but america

americans are hating themselves when

they want to give the country back to

the people that show premises and that

are that are responsible for it and that

actually you're missing basis

you just stumbled on one of the big

points here which was the industrial uh

aspect to it so your whole thing is like

oh well china they have this model of

self-development and all this kind of

stuff what you're missing is that the

only reason why china isn't uh everybody

making two dollars a day right now as

agrarian backwater is because of the

west we made communist china as rich as

they are if we didn't do business with

them they would have nothing they

wouldn't even have kiwis as you say they

wouldn't even have anywhere else

we made them and we let me tell you

something though

kevin kevin kevin castle you are so

adorable let me tell you something

you have to understand the history yeah

i recognize a lot of people think i'm

adorable what up don't understand the

history deal with them it's not a

compliment

yeah well you know what shut up

shut up daddy's talking listen daddy's

talking daddy's in the 1970s you have

the you haven't been i'm trying i'm

trying to refresh your points

don't

give me a fucking break dude you're

you're a man child you're literally a

manchester kevin kevin daddy you're one

of these uh goobers who just thinks oh

i'll wear i'll wear my uh my workout

clothes and i'll sound super tough and

kevin oh yeah

and you're like oh let's bring out the

guns

i just want to talk about

industrialization

that was fun um

okay

um now let's go back to one at a time so

go ahead yeah yeah so this is the point

i actually wanted to make so kevin is

making it seem like the u.s is a

communist state in which all of our

economic policies are per basis of a

central political interest but actually

that's not how it works the reason why

companies moved to china and the reason

why you had this general trend of

industrialization and it wasn't just

china it was mexico and other countries

was because it was not only in the

interests of the capitalists within

america to

because of the cheaper costs of labor

moved to these foreign countries

it was the only way to offset the

international economic crisis that was

started in the 1970s uh specifically

with the collapse of the bretton woods

system and this is the what's

responsible for the emergence of what we

call neoliberalism as we know it

had

china not opened up to the west it's a

dual you know it's a dual situation of

dependence there would have been a

widespread

economic crisis which the political

orders within the west wouldn't have

been able to survive so these western

corporations needed to go move to china

because they needed to offset the

falling rate of profit that was

responsible for the crisis in the 1970s

you know if you want to be see the

reason i call you an anarchist kevin is

because if washington listened to you

you would literally destroy the american

empire in the entire global order as we

know it which is why kevin despite us

debating i wish and pray for nothing

more than for washington to listen to a

guy like you because you will hasten the

collapse of the american empire so like

if you say okay we made china we can end

them please try to win them trump was

trying to do it the chinese called him

comrade trump because he strengthened

and invigorated the national chinese

industry so effectively by doing he

didn't really try he didn't like china

try as hard as you want you are just

going to rally the

passion of the chinese people to rise to

a heights that they've never that no

people on earth have ever seen before by

although they've been rallying against

your regime they've risen up in hong

kong they've risen up in xinjiang and

they've been oppressed and no they

didn't know no one no one wrote listen

the only people

the only people who rose up in xinjiang

yeah yeah the only people who rose up

were al qaeda affiliated gulf sponsored

terrorists oh so we're gonna need some

proof on that really

affiliated well

listen listen

finally hong kong hong kong was a

british colony it's it doesn't represent

the majority of the chinese people i

don't know why you're using hong kong as

an example

it's an example of people rising up for

democracy and being shut down by the

regime you don't understand you don't

even understand what you're talking

about hong kong has a different system

than china it's just one country two

systems right it's uh well that's how it

was until recently

and listen you know why hong kong is

such a bad example for you is that there

are communist party theorists within

china who acutely understand that one of

the biggest impetuses of the hong kong

uprising was also economic um

dissatisfaction and economic discontent

one of the reasons for that is because

there's no land in hong kong there's no

affordable housing in hong kong so

people are kind of like packed like

sardines in this kind of unlivable way

and one of the reasons for that is

because china respects hong kong's

sovereignty and at least being able to

have a different system there can be no

economic reforms like a land reform or

any socialistic policies that

can allow hong kongers to enjoy the same

guarantee and uh basic social safety is

mainland china many people higher gdp

they have a higher education i know i

know listen now listen to what i'm

saying you're going to listen listen

that's not what i'm arguing with kevin

shut up shut up

i'm not arguing bro

they're richer than the mainland by

allah listen carefully to what i said i

did not say people in the mainland are

more wealthy they're not they're much

poorer but

they have more security in the form of

having these guaranteed landed plots

that they can always go back to when

there's when they lose their job or they

have that kind of safety and security in

hong kong people don't own land they

don't have any kind of um guarantee or a

minimal dignified life now relatively

speaking people in hong kong are

obviously much more wealthier it's much

more advanced than most of the mainland

although that's changing very rapidly

right the mainland is catching up

obviously but um

that's not the point i was trying to say

the point i was trying to say is that

the number one source of civil unrest is

actually not just poverty because

remember poverty is always relative it's

economic turmoil it's relative economic

turmoil and stability when people no

longer have

the basic standard of living that they

expect they should

that's really the source of a lot of the

political discontent and hong kong

because it doesn't not run or governed

by a socialist system isn't able to um

initiate the necessary economic reforms

that are going to disempower the

landlords of hong kong who own most of

the land and own it on the basis of

profit

because of that there's going to be

economic discontent in places like hong

kong but that's why you don't see that

same level of strife or discontent in

the mainland

why should people that worked and and

purchase property why should they be

disempowered like so you're a communist

you're literally

i'm a communist because my position in

relation to the relation between

politics and the economy is that the

government should do whatever supports

and benefits the overwhelming majority

of the people they govern but that's

just the cope that you're not a

billionaire you're that's just the hope

that you're not a billionaire if you

were a billionaire you wouldn't be a

communist you'd be like yeah that's in

my mind read my words carefully most

people are not billionaires if a

government is going to effectively

represent the interests of its people it

has to recognize that most people are

not billionaires so you know well i

don't know why it's just about being a

billionaire

i was talking about landlords so most of

those landlords are not billionaires

either my point is that capitalism gives

you the opportunity oh actually

gives you the opportunity to make

something of yourself

land ownership within hong kong in your

own way the communist system in china

quells you down if you express anything

that diverges from the party

you talk about this as if it's all about

my money and it's all about my land it's

like no no ideology is a factor here

that i think is worth discussing because

you talked about how okay

kevin

you know what's new order emerging so

that's not how this works oz you don't

just get to talk the whole time and then

the second thing is

like a little monkey uh i'm talking

right now so you stay in your place so

here's the deal

the difference is

uh has not been taken into account

you're just talking about my economics

my economics are different my ma

yours are different

you are all over the place we live in a

world that is divided between all over

the freedom

and continents of slavery

and your

your solution is just ignore ideological

differences and therefore we can have

peace in the system

you just simply don't you think that we

can just put ideological differences i

already repeated that a million times i

heard you loud and clear kevin now i get

to respond so kevin here's the issue

here right

the first thing is that you notice a

tendency with you whenever we get

fixated on a specific line of

argumentation you pivot you pivot to

about no that's you you're the one who

pivoted away from the definition of

polarity

no you no no

and potatoes kevin pivots and detracts

to a trillion other topics let's get

back to the relationship the definition

so you're like shut up

shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut

the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the

fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck

up shut the fuck up

the ladies

go ahead britney

oh yeah okay

let's just keep going keep going

keep

look look i would love to just yell at

him and just shout with him but there's

actual content we know

huh actual meat and potatoes i wanna

mute him just mute him there's actual

meat and potatoes i wanna address here

like i actually wanna argue about this

stuff right so that's why i'm trying to

bring it back so you were talking about

the situation of land in hong kong and

that well most are not billionaires

i don't know if that's true but you have

to understand that hong kong land is

overwhelmingly monopolized in the hands

of a few so it's not decentralized in

the way you're trying to imply the

second thing is it because you had to

concede on that point now you're trying

to say i'm an egg i didn't concede

you're literally an anti-capitalist

what is this this is nonsense

so

the second thing is that you you have to

concede and then go revere off into this

territory about

how well material reality is not all

that matters ideological realities

matter too and in china you can't speak

in a way that is against the party line

but that is patently false people in

china have a very far i'm wide-ranging

um

uh range of expression even more than

america actually not because they have

the right bullshit

what is how is

shut the fuck up you don't know what the

fuck you're talking about

shut the fuck up

we're not debating anymore

shut the fuck up

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that a fucking fact you fucking cut me

off every fucking point you want to play

this game i'm the fucking alpha male b

oh yeah

go ahead take off your shirt

yourself to me compare yourself to me

kevin you are literally you are truly

the beta of this conversation

you got

is

i'm the new

super power broadcasting he is so

powerful

he represents power

he represents this is what we're

supposed to take he represents power

kevin castle

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you will never recover from

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handle somebody you will never fucking

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moderators

don't follow the rules

remove him and then bring him back just

remove him and bring him back okay good

yeah

jesus let's get it back on the rails

okay we're gonna reign

so to be clear

that's an ugly side of me but as

everyone can see i'm trying to debate

and when i'm trying to get my points in

he can't help but brought in and

interrupt me so he wants to have a

yelling match and we can do that but i

actually want him to know he's being

dominated intellectually you see he's

going oh look how ridiculous haaz is

well then what do you want me to do

debate i tried that and all you do is

fucking interrupt me mid-century

not even allowing me to fucking clarify

what i'm trying to say so the second

thing i was trying to say was that

america might have free speech but

chinese netizens and this is true for

anyone with experience

in this

is that

chinese netizens are more informed

they're more knowledgeable they don't

speak mindlessly they speak according to

having education according to being

informed on topics they have in-depth

discussions about a range of history and

topics which is depth and complexity it

fucking pales in comparison to the kind

of online discourse you see in america

but as far as actual censorship in china

it's actually so simple and so fucking

um

on the surface that it does not get in

the way of the chinese people's ability

to voice their actual authentic

expression and their authentic actual

actual views um they may be censored and

may not allow to promote civil unrest

and social chaos but if you actually

survey the chinese people the overwhelm

majority of them are glad

that china's not

rife with social chaos and anarchy like

countries like america or

eastern europe and the soviet union

after the collapse of communism chinese

people

are very well aware that the order that

prevails within china needs to and

should be maintained and i i have not

seen any evidence of anyone even try to

argue to the contrary

now

i'm going to bring him back on yeah um

kevin we're going to try to go back to

some normal debating now that you guys

got that out of your system and let's go

back to um

debating like yeah so that's what

happens because haze isn't used to

actually arguing with a western warhawk

who isn't just a cuck uh liberal

neo-liberal

internationalist who who basically just

wants to surrender uh various holdings

in the world various forward positions

he's not used to it not used to it

that's what happens

not used to seeing somebody who's

actually proud to be western come out

here so

now my point was that this all started

because has tried to say

that china had more of a representative

expression from the people than america

that's the biggest bullshit that

anybody's ever heard like he doesn't

even believe that there's no way he

believes that he calls himself a tanki

what do you think a tank he is it's

somebody who sends in the tanks to quell

democratic uprising he doesn't even

believe that so

well now you want to debate about the

events of hungary six but we can

actually uh talk about what the world

we can talk about

you want to keep interrupting me because

stu could play this game and i could

fucking recognize this game and i knew

so no you got fucking destroyed

absolutely

removed because you can't even follow

the fucking rules you can't even follow

the fucking rules of the fucking

platform you're on

okay guys

host i let this guy talk i'm letting him

talk and now i'm talking and he

interrupts me so how does that work

okay so i follow the rules if i if i'm

gonna hit the mute button please don't

unmute yourself so i can at least um

just freaking get it to like just simmer

down a bit so um

i hate that people figured out they can

do that

you stream your art all the time yeah

it's a nuisance

um all right so yeah just like let's uh

let people finish talking you guys got

the content out of that so let's go back

to it right now so basically yes i do

believe that actually i do believe that

in china people's authentic views and

opinions are able to give way better and

more representative expression than in

countries like america where people

didn't even fucking know what they want

they're not even informed to be in tune

with their actual interests as a people

that's why america gets into fucking

online debates over frivolous bullshit

that's in nowhere near their actual

authentic uh feelings and interests they

just get caught up in culture wars that

are just existing for their own sake

it's not even because it's what they

really believe anymore people just take

sides because it's like a sports team at

this point between the democrats and

republicans so yeah in china when they

don't have all of that useless fucking

bickering they can actually get to the

business of actually expressing what

they authentically

view the world and what they

authentically want from the state and

the state is very um attentive to what

chinese people say to their protests and

their various objections and suggestions

and they integrate all those things in

their five-year plans among other

policies so yes china's a far more

robustly democratic

country than america it's a far more uh

democratic country in terms of actually

representing what the majority of people

actually think and believe

so you mentioned the culture war you

think oh it's frivolous or whatever i

actually i actually agree to some extent

there and i've done videos in the past

saying how the culture war is unwinnable

for conservatives it's pointless like

it's just a massive endless cope where

every time we gain ground they're like

oh well we're going to try to undo this

or try to undo that to get a little bit

ground back or maybe we'll get one

person on the supreme court to overturn

stuff for a few years and then and then

the liberals keep winning and winning

and winning in 50 years it's going to be

uh the most conservatives in america are

going to be pro-trans rights for example

so it's a lost cause for conservatives

so i actually agree that the culture war

shouldn't matter the conservatives

should just give up they're never going

to win but china on the other hand

doesn't necessarily have that because

you're not allowed to be liberal over

there like if you advocate for what i i

want i'm a moral universalist liberal

universalist uh i would get imprisoned

for advocating for gay rights trans

rights women's rights in china for

example they would consider me a

dissident even if i didn't even talk

about the party per se even if i wasn't

just advocating for democracy just

advocating for uyghur rights for example

immediately immediately going to jail

and so haz is going to try to gaslight

you here and try to say how china is is

a better representation of expression

because there's no culture war the

reason why there's no real culture war

is that the communist party jails

anybody that's not a conservative

communist so

yeah so there's a three prongs about why

that's a stupid argument first one

lies in the fact that if china jails all

lgbt activists

it's really weird how you can actually

look and see that within china

there are lgbt organizations and

advocacy groups and activists that are

not in jail so it's a patent lie that

china is just going to jail anyone who

advocates for the rights of sexual

minorities the reason why it's not

really widespread within china is

because and this is true the majority of

chinese people are just not interested

in this topic they're just not they're

not enthralled by it in the way

america is and the reason why americans

are enthralled by it is because it's

been overly politicized

by the democrats and the republicans

the second thing regarding away good

rights well that's extremely ambiguous i

mean oy good rights can fall under the

umbrella of al qaeda right that oyger

should have the right to have an islamic

state that is completely separate from

china violating the one china policy so

what is that what exactly is meant by

oyga rights uh would determine whether

or not you would be imprisoned or

whether you would face repercussions uh

the third thing is that shut the fuck up

shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut

the fuck up

shut the fuck up shut the fuck up i

didn't finish my fucking point shut the

fuck up

shut up kevin shut the fuck up

shut your fucking trying to get rid of

you shut the fuck up kevin

is anyone moderating this like i don't i

don't interrupt him and he interrupts me

except he does because he's an anarchist

he's an anarchist and he can't follow

basically

because you can't follow fucking rules

just follow the rules of the fucking

platform

let him finish before it gets riled up

again all right so go ahead

yeah so the third thing what you're

saying is that oh in china the reason

there's no culture war is because the

government just censors it if the

chinese people were actually

authentically and organically inclined

to have culture wars maybe at first it

would be censored and this is how all

these trends work in china but

eventually the government would have to

assent to what the overwhelming majority

of people want so no and that's just

assuming we even buy into this idea that

culture wars in general are being

censored in china the truth is that the

chinese people do not give a fuck about

the things that that seem to interest

americans online chinese people spend

their time online talking about history

and civilizations

and religions and important things like

that americans spend their time online

arguing over bathrooms so that's really

the difference the chinese people just

are not interested they just don't care

well that's such an essentialist and and

over generalization there are people in

america that have arguments about

philosophy online and there are people

in china that have arguments about who

killed better in fortnite after they uh

use their vpn and everything so the idea

that china that netizens or whatever

over there are are more intellectual

than people in america online that's not

really true the reason why you don't

really see a culture war unfolding is

that liberal voices are literally

oppressed in china whereas in america

liberals are winning and conservatives

are angry and furious and coping and

fuming and dooming because they see

women at being empowered they see lgbt

people having rights they see uh blacks

having equal rights for example and they

look at that and they see their old way

where they were on top and they see that

as uh

basically uh vanishing from them and

they're pissed about it now i agree that

the culture war shouldn't really be that

much of a thing in america we should

just have a socially liberal society in

which you're free to live your truth

they don't have that in china has

explanation is that the chinese people

don't care about it well that's easy

enough to say if you're a straight uh

conforming person who follows the party

in china if you're anybody who deviates

from that uh that's not true though and

you mentioned oh what are uyghur rights

what are weaker rights the rights not to

be forced sterilized the right's not to

have your children taken away from you

the right's not to be sent to a

detention center to be brainwashed and

tortured and if it so happens and i've

said this before if it so happens that

there are cases and there are and there

have been in the past cases of terrorism

against uh china i support terrorism

against chinese military and police

forces i don't support against chinese

civilians but if that's what it takes to

achieve liberation i support their

liberation just as i support kurdish

liberation uh they are the good guys

here the regime is the bad guys the

behavior of the regime is not going to

change the regime has to be changed so

and i support working with anybody to

accomplish that even if we've got other

disagreements they're an ally here

against china so

um before we address everything i just

want to say i am so fascinated at how

neo-conservatives finally came around to

embracing their true allies al qaeda so

that's a really interesting there's no

one shut up shut up shut up i'll let you

say it

shut the fuck up

shut up

shut the fuck up shut the fuck up i'm

not nowhere near done we're just getting

started with all this dumb shit you just

said so you're actually made the claim

that we cannot say that chinese people

are more informed because there are

exceptions within america and there are

exceptions within china but we're not

talking about exceptions we're talking

about the overall trend the overall

trend is that chinese netizens are far

more careful far more thoughtful and far

more intellectual and educated and you

know they actually talk about

interesting things that matter

overwhelmingly right as compared to

america so you actually haven't

addressed that this is an overall trend

be there that there may be exceptions

within both countries now you're saying

that

liberals are repressed within china

that's interesting because liberals in

china are literally given pretty high

ranking posts in academia and media and

culture and much of the discontent

against liberalism that's now farting

starting to form the xi jinping era

and this is true if you know chinese

people you'd understand this it's coming

from below not even from up top chinese

people are becoming more fervently

patriotic and loyal

to not only their country but to their

party and its history than ever before

in history it's comparable almost to the

cultural revolution

the chinese people themselves are

putting grassroots pressure on the

western inspired institutions that

emerged after the reform and opening up

to get rid of and sack and purge and

actually struggle against these liberal

western elements that they don't want in

their country now as far as individual

expression culture wars are concerned

china is not completely culturally

hegemonic but it does represent a shared

civilization that's thousands of years

old and there are exceptions within

china of individuals who break the mold

and go their own way and go their own

path the whole point is that this is

never going to be a general trend

because china was never an

individualistic society it's not because

people are

not allowed to do those things they are

i mean there's examples of vice

documentaries going to look at

subcultures in shanghai and other big

cities these things exist it's just not

going to represent the major trend

within china because

believe it or not the character of china

reflects the character of the chinese

people in the last and final instance

the whole people's republic and

communist party is founded on the basis

of acknowledging that very premise

and finally one last thing regarding

this thing about uh

what would it take to satisfy urban

rights the right not to be kidnapped

they're right not to be sterilized well

then it's even better because there's

not even any need for any activist for

oight rights because none of those

things are being violated in the first

place

so

okay so we'll start off with what has

mentioned first which was the idea that

well are there some people in china that

would uh have these things like lgbt

rights and other stuff is an issue yeah

but is it the majority no well the thing

about rights is that they exist to

protect those that are directly affected

right so if for example the right to not

be arrested in the middle of the night

without a warrant that's a thing that

you should care about and defend even if

you're not the one that the police are

coming to tonight to arrest likewise

with lgbt rights just because you're not

gay doesn't mean that you shouldn't

support them this is about liberalism

this is about the enlightenment this is

about the idea of humanism the idea that

all people have dignity and should have

equal protection under the law something

that doesn't exist in communist china uh

has mentioned that well the chinese

people are more patriotic now and

everything they're more brainwashed

enlarged to support the party that's

true now a lot of people don't buy the

party's propaganda but hundreds of

millions of people do uh you could say

the same thing about north korea that

doesn't mean that they're not an enemy

that doesn't mean that the regime is not

to be removed from power and the people

liberated you can liberate people uh who

would be better off uh liberated even if

they say right now that they're against

that obviously i mean they're they

literally live with a gun to their head

and and even if they even if they have

their own volition say that they support

the regime if they were to see the

alternative with their own eyes with

free access to information they would

obviously choose the west the west

offers the highest standard of living

the highest dignification of humanity

and the best rights for everybody and

additionally to get to the final point

about the weaker genocide uh so we have

satellite photos documenting this we

have uh interviews of those who have

been in the camps or have family that

are in the camps we have video footage

showing the camps i don't see how we can

deny that two million people have been

detained against their will that's just

not something that you can cover up in

this era hitler had a hard time covering

up the holocaust and we have access to

satellites now so how how can you deny

this how can you say that there's no

proof of this yet you you throw around

accusations that they're working with

al-qaeda which you obviously have no

proof for so

and again i've also said if they did

terrorism against the party that's

they're justified to do it they're

defending themselves

oh boy okay you done kevin

uh right now yeah yeah so kevin

um

first of all the point is that i just

mentioned that those individual

exceptions are not being persecuted

within china so that was the whole point

but it's interesting that you develop

this

contradiction on the one hand you want

absolute rights uh unconditional rights

to protect minorities right the western

contrived view of rights it actually

doesn't come from renaissance humanism

it comes from anglo-saxon metaphysics in

the 17th century but that's regardless

who cares where it came from shut the

fuck up shut the fuck up i'm gonna start

interrupting you in your turns too but

okay you're gonna we're gonna see how

you like it but anyway um been doing it

all night yeah so no i haven't i let you

talk that whole fucking diatribe you

just did i let you talk so second of all

china doesn't focus on abstract

unconditional rights because in actual

material reality no rights are

unconditional china focuses more on the

content of rights westerners claim that

they want the right to freedom and

liberty things that have no substantive

content things that have no um

determinate being to the right to be

what the right to do what china's a

country that is attuned to what its

people are and to who it is so it

doesn't need to create abstractly

negative negatively contrived abstract

formal rights that are applied in every

circumstance and situation because china

is a living and it's a country ruled by

a living people and not a dead doctrine

not a dead letter

um so it's really important we

understand we're talking about just

because there are no absolute rights

within china doesn't mean the government

acts arbitrarily it acts according to

the determinate content and determinant

being of the chinese people themselves

conceived not at the sum total of

individual atoms but as a real

civilizational and collective being

now you mentioned regarding this

business of um

the oyger uh genocide so-called oygo

genocide that you have satellite photos

and so on but if you actually evaluate

the content of those satellite photos

they don't prove the existence of any of

the claims made by those claiming the

oygoders are being subject to a genocide

you have the establishment of schools

and institutions and buildings and

centers and factories things that are

completely removed from the subject

whatsoever have been by satellite photos

been accused of being you know

concentration camps and there's many

cases of this there's many

inconsistencies and uh holes plot holes

and all the various claims being made

that so-called justify the claim of an

oil you go to genocide finally the idea

that you're saying there's no connection

between the etim separatists and al

qaeda that there's no proof of this

connection it's just about the most

laughably stupid and uninformed fucking

thing i've heard in like a month i mean

even american state department would

have to admit that yes there does exist

a connection between the two which is

why the etim

used to be listed as a designated

terrorist organization not just by china

but by the united states of america

because of its affiliations and ties to

al-qaeda so

i really can't believe how you could say

such an uninformed and ignorant thing

when it's like self-evident to everyone

that yes al qaeda has been working in

xinjiang that there are connections

between oyger separatists

and al-qaeda i mean it's like no one has

ever denied that except you to the

extent of my knowledge

you you had claimed basically that all

the uyghurs are working with al-qaeda

it's like okay there's there's no way i

need to be clear i didn't say the

lawyers are working with al-qaeda i said

a tiny minority of oyger separatists who

do not represent the majority of oygours

were working with al-qaeda and that's a

fact

okay well on that point they're

justified in doing so and in that

particular case of of weakers versus the

ccp al-qaeda is on the good side so okay

they're on the bad side

all i did kevin was point out the irony

of a person calling themselves a neocon

worshiping

okay whatever you worship and you live

as a model the bush era of

interventionalist unilateral uh politics

well guess what i mean like the bush era

was defined by the war on terror and

osama bin laden was the primary villain

of the bush era so it's just really

funny that the saint that you're trying

to like rep that and at the same time

it's coming full circle and it turns out

like you're best friends with osama bin

laden best friends without bullshit

yeah the consequence of what al qaeda

does against the ccp isn't that good but

what they haven't listened kevin i swear

anyone who grew up during the war on

terror like me

and who's like familiar with what to

find the bush here it's a see a

self-proclaimed uh liberal hawk because

if you're calling yourself now i know

all the anarchists have special

snowflake terms to see someone like that

uh identify with uh say that they

support al qaeda it's just fucking

hilarious

if that's not ironic to you then i i

don't

i don't support al qaeda against the

west i i support uyghurs doing whatever

they can to free themselves of their

oppression if i was oppressed

let me ask you a question i was

impressed

in

basically in that region and you look at

the the detainees i know you love

muslims so much that's why that's why

you're supporting the muslims

you deny yeah this mass detention yet it

is a thing it is documented there are

interviews and we have satellites you

take issue with the satellites except

okay satellites don't prove anything on

their own

but augmenting other evidence they can

paint a picture of what's not floating

on the ground there's absolutely no

evidence ef no but that's not true yeah

there is you don't even believe that and

kevin i know you support people so kevin

kevin you're you support i lived there

yeah if i lived there and this was being

done to me and my people you can bet you

i'd be working with i would work with

the russians

so let me ask you a question

would you do it if you were living in uh

gaza

if i was in gaza what do you mean

like if you were living under the

conditions in gaza would you would you

also do the same thing you're saying now

yeah i would work i would support israel

i would work with israel to get rid of

him no no you would have to support the

palestinian terrorists escort as you

would call them all right no

no because israel is the liberator i

care about that i care about the

relationship between the liberator dude

you support national liberation so much

is israel is the liberator that's why

they're building settlements in the west

bank

that's why they're building settlements

in the west bank

hamas the west bank is oppressed by the

palestinian authority so who's who's

building settlements and kicking people

out of their homes is it the palestinian

state solution like everybody would be

better off under israel i'm not asking

okay then everyone will be better under

china everyone would be better

understand that's not true that's not

true communism is depraved because you

have a double standard so anyway you

know you don't know this no it's not a

double standard you know you don't

listen listen kevin we know you don't

care about no you don't care about

national liberation

you don't care about national liberation

don't come at me with this business

if i was living in xinjiang i would do

anything by any means necessary but if

you're living in palestine or gaza

you're just against china

because anglo-saxon so-called

civilization is on the decline you just

hate china you don't care about muslims

you don't care about oppressed peoples

this is what shit no that's not bullshit

it's not fucking bullshit kevin no no

it's not

what is so liberal about israel's

actions in palestine nothing wait are

you kidding me this liberalism is like

my

liberalism is collapsing enough

they're not actually hawkish enough on

fighting the pa and hamas yeah you're an

anarchist we get it no no no no so

here's the thing against nine yahoo for

sure netanyahu was against liberation

chaos i get it you want chaos you're an

extremist

i want a world liberal order no one

cares what you want

no one cares

no i don't have to want the multi-polar

order one is emerging objectively i'm

just acknowledging oh yeah and i'm and

i'm here to try to argue for americans

no i was just saying it's not a double

standard to support the west in both

cases it's it's not so i'm against hamas

and hamas is the one oppressing the

palestinian people

and just as it's the case in

uh east turkestan or xinjiang it's the

ccp that's oppressing the uyghur people

and it's the west and

and allied forces that are trying to

liberate them it's not a double standard

to support uh one group that does bad

things here but does good things

elsewhere you can support a group in one

case and be against them in another case

that's not a contradiction no it's so

hilarious

double standard i'm anti-al-qaeda i'm

mounting al-qaeda but i don't blame

wiegers for doing what they can because

the west simply hasn't offered enough

support and what's hilarious why is that

yeah because the most hilarious

neoliberal is that is that in contrast

to the situation yeah yeah

you live in america why don't you i'm

trying to win this one you live because

i want to win this country i want to

build the communist party in this

country but anyway

you're a traitor okay that's why you

live in america okay yeah well i'm not

breaking any laws so good luck so anyway

kevin yeah yeah

you live in canada you're not even a

fucking american shut the fuck up anyway

the liberal world translation

you you talk so much about america you

don't even fucking live here canada

would be a soviet gulag colony without

america so uh yeah yeah yeah

and maybe

kevin you're not even american you're

not even american you're not even

american

you're not an american you have the

empire state building

you told me to leave my country then you

should leave canada we're debating about

the west versus

the west isn't a country

the west is not a country the west is

not a country stupid

the west is not a country anyway what's

so hilarious is a country we're talking

about because you told me because you

told me

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but i support the west how does that

make any sense i support western

interest and i live in the west

consistently the chicken dances

do the chicken dance

what's hilarious about your double

whereas israel came to being in 1948

and it's a completely different

situation

are not having their hands evicted

they're not being fucking placed in an

open-air prison like gaza you talk about

concentration camps guys was the biggest

fucking conversation

your volume or something is really quiet

yeah well you know it's actually really

hard can you guys hear him man

no uh todd it's like his volume is like

really quiet

maybe um i don't know if it's your mic

setting or something but um we're gonna

get to the q and a uh you guys and

uh as you said you had to be somewhere

at a certain time too right

yeah

yeah all right so why don't we just get

jump right into the q a um

because yeah um

all right let's see here from cg said uh

thanks todd bernie it's great that a

canadian neocon and air communists think

they know what is best for china and

america peak content okay

um no i don't i'm not a neocon i'm i'm

an american so i'm allowed to talk about

america

you're an american that roots for the

enemy you're literally a fifth caller

you're not the enemy of the american

westerner that roots to the west

you're an enemy of the american people

yeah you root for the enemies of the

american people i root for the allies of

the american people you're a communist

yeah you're you're in that's what

communists are here for the people

you've described yourself as a stalinist

right wanted to nuke america stop

no he didn't and that's only to defend

himself against the pre-emptive strike

operation unthinkable which the allies

were planning against the soviet union

yeah he said so shut the fuck up you

don't represent you don't listen

communists represent

kevin you're getting dominated you're

getting dominated no one can even hear

you kevin kevin you're getting dominated

no one can even hear you no one can even

hear you kevin what a beta male what a

beta male what an absolute beta male no

one can even hear him

no one can hear him completely

complete

i don't know if i said that right if

they default on the loans issued to them

by china which they probably yeah

there's the precedence of countries

defaulting on loans or just telling

china they can't pay back the loans and

china works with them china has never

threatened them militarily or done

anything coercive in relationship to

that so there's precedence of countries

defaulting on loans or just telling

china they cannot pay back these loans

so there's already precedent for that so

it's probably going to be the same as

those other countries

and so they become a de facto chinese

colony

no they don't because a colony actually

is when a country owns your territory

and has executive control colonialism

okay you're talking about you say you

defend the west when the west is the

only premier neo-colonial power on earth

it's like france has

france's relation okay so how would you

describe how would you describe france's

relationship to west africa

i don't support it okay well i don't

actually consider france to be much of

an ally i just want to be well it's part

of the west

well okay they're internally sure but

outwardly they they are so uh so

apparently i thought you were talking

about the west i think talking about the

west

france

no they're not okay so they're just as

much part of the west as uh canada so i

don't know what you're talking about

because we're not talking about the west

you're talking about anglo-saxon

countries

mayonnaise how can kevin justify

supporting al qaeda how can you say

you're pro west and support the people

who did 9 11 and have killed many

western people

yeah so yeah so about that uh i'm

specific here it's not a contradiction

it's kind of like saying how can you

support the soviets against hitler but

you're also against the soviets it's

like well we have bigger enemies to fry

right now communist china is aiming

nukes in america okay does not al qaeda

is an enemy in pakistan al-qaeda's an

enemy against the us and canada al-qaeda

is an enemy in afghanistan he talks

about the threat of nukes and he just he

just said he supported um

operation unthinkable which was going to

be a genocidal extermination against the

soviet union

this guy said he's scared of uh ccp

nukes and he literally said he supported

operation unthinkable what a complete

hypocrite

what a complete hypocrite

because he can't handle a serious reason

no you gotta be you got bto for you dude

like at what point are you gonna just

sign a contract and become a porn star

because it seems like you you just enjoy

deep throating objects so much dude

because you need to be dominated kevin

kevin you only know the language of

force you can't be rationally negotiated

with you don't speak rationally you

don't know how to have a rational

argument so the only thing the only

thing that works in your case is utter

dominance

just like operation unthinkable which

you

right so don't talk about the threat of

china just defending itself with nukes

when you're the aggressor here no no i'm

an anti-communist

and they don't want any such

other countries yeah complete ad-hoc

aggression against other countries when

are you actually going to try actually

listening for one well you're telling me

that the guy who kept me interrupting me

non-stop dude keep interrupting me

the guy who can't help but interrupt me

non-stop wants to talk about when i'm

going to listen

so

all right so um i don't know who this is

but they're writing some weird stuff to

you do you know who this is kevin

this oh this right here that that is an

account that is an account that has

spammed my phone number doc's my phone

number spammed my phone number with

harassment no numerously you know no one

cares

as well no one cares

what about when you're interrupting me

you don't like when you play at that

game

yeah so

i love the projection this guy's

accusing me of doing doxing we don't do

doxing in my community this guy has no

evidence we don't do doxing this guy and

some of his friends that have spammed

frivolous copyright claims against my

channel are a bunch of these stupid

reactionary uh neocon uh loser hawks

that are pissed that there's a liberal

hawk that's actually out here

representing interventionism well they

sit in their basement and jerk it to

hentai because they have no lives and

they eat mom's hot pot

and so he has to go and accuse me

of doing it

when this guy's somebody who docks my

workplace doxxed my phone number and

doxxed my friends houses and in fact

tried to get one of my friends arrested

tried to try to make up bullshit on one

of my friends to get the swap

hmm

like one child

which is leading to more old people and

shrinking population

um they just recently reversed the one

child policy but yeah i don't know i i'm

not gonna get into chinese people's

business but

yeah i mean for america i wouldn't want

anything like that for america but china

was a different country it had different

developmental needs and you know but

they they are reversing the policy you

know and it's not a one-pile child

policy anymore but um yeah there are

democratic demographic issues facing all

developed and advanced countries but i

think if anyone is uniquely tasked to

deal with this issue and uh confronted

it is the chinese communist party um so

i'm confident that they're going to be

able to reverse their

uh any impending demographic crisis

i i love that it exposes the double

standard where has it's like no i

wouldn't want that in my backyard but

yeah well they have a state well they

can do their own thing yeah

that's relativism so it's freedom for me

but not for thee

no it means that the chinese people rule

the chinese people and that i i don't

rule over the chinese people well

actually we have to get into the theory

of governance and statehood and how a

state actually represents its people

it's obviously not

through individuals

it's it's not it's not through

individual atoms just directly to

controlling themselves but the fact is

like i'm not going to decide what

policies the chinese people preserve

because that would require me an

american to exert the power of america

to rule over the chinese people and

speaking of rules

yeah sure yeah yeah just like the nazis

just like the nazis liberated east

europe right we get it but you know the

issue kevin is that speaking of double

standards you spoke of the need for

people to have absolute rights for

minorities

and yet interestingly enough

interest interestingly enough

you said we need absolute rights for

minorities

so so let me get this straight on the

one hand

listen

look how hilarious kevin is on the one

hand

he says that it's dictatorship when a

government looks out for its people but

at the same time kevin thinks he knows

what's good for the chinese and north

korea and people

even better than themselves

he thinks he knows better than what

all right thank you um and how something

the way you're talking it's really hard

to understand what you're saying but

okay from pf john

does haas support gay marriage what

about legalizing weed just trying to

gauge his personal beliefs on social

issues

um i'm not against it but

i don't think it should be forced on any

people i think i believe in the

sovereignty of countries and the

sovereignty of

nations and states so it's up to the

people living in those countries now in

america the country i live in i'm not

against it i will not pose

resistance to it

but you know it's i'm not too interested

in sexual politics in general

yeah because he he's not affected by it

so isn't that great he's not affected

right it doesn't personally affect him

true

dude you sound like one of those dumb

republican voters who doesn't care about

something until it personally affects

them absolutely i think that's how most

human beings are in general they they

stay in their own lane and they focus on

what's in their business

that's that's that's true though that's

an absolute mischaracterization you know

you know you are you are such a

liberator

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so

first of all when china acts on behalf

of the chinese people's best interests

it's a dictatorship but when kevin does

it it's liberation that's apparently

yeah when china intervenes on behalf of

its people it's a dictatorship when

kevin intervenes on behalf of everyone

in the world it's liberation that's what

it is pretty much ironically yes

literally yeah but that's literally how

it works no it's not that's literally

how it works no one voted for you no one

voted for you but no one voted for you

all right so from from kgp

kevin as a self-proclaimed liberal

warhawk would you be willing to join the

military and fight factions like the

taliban yourself yeah so i've been asked

this question a ton of times i've got

videos that have made going over this

whether you're joining the military

though it's a non-argument it's

basically the same as saying

you refuse to live under the

consequences of what you support you

refuse to live under the consequences

so to answer this uh stupid question so

they answer this question i get asked

this a lot dude shut the fuck up

fuck up shut the fuck up

are you mad

are you mad

yeah so basically

it's like saying to somebody oh well you

support the legalization of marijuana

but you're not a uh you're not a judge

you don't work in the court system so

therefore how can you have an opinion on

that oh you're against crime but you're

not a police officer how can you have an

opinion on that uh likewise here oh you

have opinions on international relations

but you're not a soldier which by the

way that doesn't even work because being

a soldier and being a foreign policy

analyst or being a foreign policy uh uh

content creator are two different fields

you could do both you could do one you

could do the other the skills that go

into being a soldier the skills that go

into uh studying international relations

are two different they're literally two

different fields as far as to answer the

question of well what about the fight

against the taliban what difference

would it make like let's say that i

joined the military tomorrow are we

going to liberate north korea and the

taliban no canada pulled out in 2014 so

how like it literally wouldn't make a

difference so in terms of the material

difference of what that would do it

would do literally jack shit i can do

more here changing people's minds than i

would uh trying to learn a new skill to

go and fight the taliban when we're not

even fighting the towers are you

changing

so whose minds am i changing yeah people

every week dude

how many people think i'm going to be

doing this for like 50 years how many

people how many people are you changing

way more than you ever will in your

whole life

uh but well that's not true you're

probably changing your more minds right

now not a few kevin 50 years seven after

after you're like a d rated

kevin 800 people are watching you right

now it's quite a few more than it's

quite a few more

yeah kevin kevin it's not it's not a

quite it's not a few it's it's quite a

few it's quite a few more i mean quite a

few things

this yeah this dude

he deep throats his mic as he gets off

to the west you're getting dominated

that's what it's like to be dominated

you got dominated

you got

all dominated

how's it spent significant amount of his

time and energy protecting gay and trans

people in his server and community what

the fuck have you done kevin

what have i done wait hold on a second

he uses all kinds of uh well even if not

himself i've seen the people in his

discord using homophobic remarks for

example that they

was against me as i've been there before

this was months ago there's a lot of

homophobia you should have reported

that's reductionism

at the end of the day he'll even tell

you he really doesn't care or stand in

solidarity he's got class reductionism

and the empowerment of sexual minorities

around the world from afghanistan

to north korea and this guy here he's

all about his communism but he will not

go and live in china why not i live in

china i live in china then do it prove

it prove it dude prove it

i can't get citizenship they don't want

me they don't want me

then go and live in a different

dictatorship go and live in a different

dictatorship

what will i be for them

i'm trying to make america a communist

so yeah yeah yeah so you're a fifth

column you're a fifth column and we

should recognize you as the enemy okay

so we live in canada you live in canada

focus on your own country fucking

kidding me dude you live in canada

we've kicked people out of our community

you live in canada

i actually support lgbt people in china

haas does not he says he doesn't give a

shit that's not true what do you mean

support

how do you support what support what

you give the money

do you deny the labor aristocracy what

do you think of it

uh define the labor aristocracy like

that seems like such a larpy term that

seems like such a larp economy term like

labor aristocracy

is that the petty bourgeoisie

oh look at this dude

he's too afraid to go and live in a

dictatorship let's get afraid to go live

in a dictatorship

leaving schizophrenic demonic voice

messages

with the voice of that dude

earlier that exact voice you're going to

try to tell me that it was a

telemarketer who said oh that the

neolibs are coming to your store

tomorrow dude that's bullshit that's

bullshit that's not a telemarketer

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that people would judge

um

yeah so people don't reject human rights

regimes speak yes they do they do

actually

yeah they do

no it's not both you're like you're so

unbelievable

no one wants you

you don't see the hypocrisy

what about you what about you constantly

interrupting me

so you were constantly you had to be

kicked out you had to be kicked out you

interrupted me so much

questions

was not addressed at you so calm the

fuck down

so

they answer the question they answer the

question shut the fuck up answer the

question

shut the fuck up the question

was asking dude you're the one just

totally once don't tell

me up just talk

but won't do it himself because then

he'd lose his gaming pc and all that

i don't know

you're the one who was like oh we want a

five thousand dollar gaming pc you

literally said i did not pay for what

the fuck five thousand

no

rejecting human rights so people don't

reject human rights nobody's about to be

tortured in the middle of the night and

says i don't want western habeas corpus

that's not a thing that happens

dictators like kim and she and the

ayatollah they s they claim to speak for

their people and say no we don't want

that that's not for our people our

people are too stupid for democracy

that's like what xi jinping will say but

that's not he didn't say that not but

that's not a legitimate statement he

never said actually representing their

people yes it is

over their people look at the opinion

the idea that chinese people yeah and

communist backed studies don't count no

they're not communists back they're

western bad studies

the western press admits

the western press admits it the western

press admits

harvard harvard dude dude yeah there are

there are economies that work in in

higher academia oh so so community ones

okay

there are sympathizers with china in

various is that a russian conspiracy

theory that must

answer the be

as far as answer the question that was

posed to me and not pose to haws a

people

people do not reject human rights their

oppressors speak for them and say they

don't want that here and then

westphalian deep throat mike mike deep

throaters like haws will say oh it's

their west family the evidence says the

contrary the evidence says the contrary

if you want to talk about me then i'm

here to talk let me either finish

yes they do reject western human rights

the studies show it it's not

he

you conceded

couldn't even do afghanistan

sovereignty can be earned and it can be

forfeited the ccp forfeited their

sovereignty they do not have a

legitimate voice here and brainwashed

people that say that under threat of

death are not somebody that you would

ask a serious opinion to they're

hostages and they must be liberated so

it's really as simple as that

yeah they're under threat of death guys

well yeah literally and you deny the

stupid you denied it arrested

journalists in 2020 in the world um so

how can you believe their polls when

they control the press internally yeah

it has the most arrested journalists but

those journalists don't number that high

in numbers and second of all who says

journalists are a sacred class that

cannot violate laws journalists who lie

smear and spread misinformation

i'm not against them being held

accountable

no no the the evidence doesn't say that

they're being tortured and murdered but

that there's the most they have

to listen i want you to i want you to

say i want you to i want people to

understand something too dude there's

and here's what's pathetic too i just

defended jailing journalists because i'm

like an edgelord but china doesn't do

that it doesn't really jail journalists

it just has the most journalists

imprisoned in the world because

china has the most people in the world

no it's yeah per capita it's a higher

per capita rate now what's the rating

per capita give me the specific number

we can look that up right now look it up

now

journalists per capita

arrested

because i know it's russia and china are

like right near the top

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per capita

we'll try to find this we'll try to find

this so let's see let's move on to this

next question

so eritrea is number one that makes a

lot of sense uh who else is there so

eritrea we've got syria iran

we've got

um where else is there oh turkey

so it's not the most

well no china's in there um it's not the

most though

so

uh you you're wrong you just conceded

it's not the most no no did you skip

israel

you skipped israel you're missing but

here's the point why did you skip israel

but here's the point why'd you skip

israel here's the point that you're

skipped israel

he wrote on the list too there's the

point that you're missing even if

israel is second on the list and you

skipped it israel is second on the list

and you skipped

israel was second

you said china had the most fucking uh

jail journalists per capita and it

doesn't say they had the most i didn't

say that yes you did

the person who wrote the comments said

that they had the most i was saying that

they imprisoned journalists and torture

and murder them no you initially denied

it but then you said well no if they do

it

it's okay it's not even at a high level

no it's not they don't

but the point is how do they how do they

torture and kill them which journalist

did china kill

which journalist did china kill just

like

name the name of the journalist killed

by china

which which journalist was killed by

china which journalists we're not

talking about russia right now we can

talk about russia if you want

which we can talk about russia too but

which journalist was killed in china

for being a journalist

i don't have the names right now because

you're talking out of your ass because

you're talking out of your ass

remember israel's number two and per

capita

no no no but you admit that china does

it but then you say that you don't

actually care because uh other countries

do it and because well that's not what i

said what i said is that bullshit dude i

said that is that other countries are

claimed to have freedom of expression

like israel but are higher on the list

as far as per capita journalism at the

moment as well as of 2020 had 47

journalists in prison oh my god 47

47 i see you don't care because it's

13.4 billion people

by the way 1.4 billion people oh crazy

because that's you admitting you don't

actually care about rights you just care

about well if it's a small number i get

thrown under the bus the us has more

political prisoners than china you don't

actually believe in rights for everybody

you just believe there's no such thing

forget this rights for everyone doesn't

exist in america

what the fuck okay

um all right so i want to move on to

this question and then i want to we're

going to we're going to end it

i'm getting a headache um all right so

from cg

iraq elected for no human rights afghans

fought 20 years against human rights

syria and venezuela protected themselves

from american rights

okay so this is a troll but we could

answer it no it's factual no no no

that's that's right you're an absolute

gullible goober

you're you're a gullible goober

you lost in afghanistan that's bullshit

no no no we didn't lose enough

biden's a weak lane who pulled out

america was not defeated biden just

you're scared to go over the limits

of fighting and kicking off chicken

heart oh that's bullshit

america could still be

absolutely nothing so

uh that question chicken hog question

can you bring the question up again um

yeah let me see if i can pull it out but

you know this adds your cake

down

unbelievable i think it might be

believable too far up i can pull it up

another way though hold on

um yeah because i forgot what the

question was asking yeah okay and then

and then it wasn't a question it was a

statement yeah um we're going to do

closing scenarios

statement but i forgot what it said what

what were they saying they said iraq it

was smart no uh iraq elected for no

human rights afghans fought 20 years

against human rights syria and venezuela

protected themselves from american human

rights yeah that's unbelievable so we'll

go one by one so he rocks

it's not a question it wasn't a question

no no but that's

not a question no no but that's a

bullshit statement so we're just getting

let's not bullshit because i'm gonna

debate you on it i'm not gonna i'm not

gonna debate you on it then we don't

have time

so so to the point about iraq iraq

has been subverted by iraq but it's a

it's

no one cares if you agree or not

it was not a question it was a statement

you mute pause right now

okay

kevin you have 30 seconds to say

whatever so as far as iraq iraq was

observed subverted by iran iran had been

invaded and liberated in 2003 as well as

far as syria uh eight million people

fled and had to flame risk their lives

to try to get human rights away from

syria they rose up against assad the

west supported them as far as venezuela

they're starving to death and they're

moving out of the country right now or

fighting as far as the point about um

afghanistan it was 80 000 taliban

fighters fought the america not human

rights by america and the rest of the

country is lorded over all right that's

30 seconds that was the 30 seconds

realism against india 30 seconds are up

bullshit that's all the 30 seconds are

up he just lied out of his teeth that

whole time it was all wise all right

moving right in this we're gonna um end

this now so um

we're gonna give you guys each two

minutes uninterrupted uninterrupted all

right

um kevin do you want to go first

sure yeah i'll go first uh so basically

what we've seen tonight is that uh haws

over here is basically he's an unironic

tanky who has said in this debate that

he does not care when i point out

instances of how communist china is

anathema to freedom he'll say well

that's not what the majority want he'll

always use maternity of the majority

argument when it's not even a really

good argument because the majority

aren't able to actually have their

voices heard anyway because at the end

of the day the communist party is about

10 or fewer of the country and the

elites in the party lord over everybody

else and if you don't play game uh then

you don't get out alive basically and

you don't make it and right now they're

conducting a genocide uh where they have

forcibly sterilized women they've

detained over two million people and we

in the west in contrast are at islands

of freedom uh contrast against

continents of slavery

and particularly led by china right now

the west is worth fighting for the west

is worth promoting the west is worth

spreading to all corners of the world

because we are the only system that

guarantees you no matter what you

believe no matter where you're born uh

human rights uh democracy freedom and

the ability to prosper or fail under

capitalism i support a safety net but

this idea that all landlords has at one

point said oh but those are landlords

it's like yeah landlords are people too

okay i mean hot take but unbelievable uh

i believe in a free market system uh the

system in the west has been proven to be

the best and this is evidenced by the

successes that china has had on an

economic level were only enabled because

we decided to do business with them now

i supported nixon doing business with

them because they were useful ally

against soviet union but after the

soviets collapsed they should have

become the new enemy but the neoliberal

establishment here refused to do so

because they wanted cheap child labor so

we in the west need to start acting in

our interests not in corporate interests

and actually get serious about combating

china economically so that it doesn't

come to a world war we made them we

enrich them and we can end them and we

can blockade them and we can bankrupt

them and we can liberate them to a

democratic liberal order so thank you

for tuning in subscribe to me on twitch

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you can follow me on kevin castle on

twitter

um so i guess the closing statement is

this was a unanimous unambiguous victory

for infrared he got absolutely blown the

fuck out there's no question there's no

debate about that but this is a quick

closing statement i think kevin is a

really good example of the fact that the

question of the victory of

multi-polarity over unit polarity and of

over liberalism in general it's not

actually a question of uh contrasting

discrete moral positions it actually

shows that liberalism is collapsing

under the weight of its own

contradictions and the only evidence we

need to see that is the fact that kevin

while claiming to be an advocate for the

so-called values of liberalism as at

least as it was conceived in modern

europe and in the modern west as we know

it

has to go above and beyond to transgress

and violate the most basic liberal

values of national self-determination

and sovereignty when kevin speaks about

how he wants to impose his specific

world view on the entire peoples of the

world regardless of what they think and

regardless of what their say in the

matter is and he even wants to go out of

his way to engage in a kind of nuclear

holocaust against them he doesn't sound

like a liberal anymore he sounds like

he's adolf hitler

he has the passion and bombast of what

anyone could clearly recognize was is a

fascist

uh kevin claims

that i don't care about the rights of

the people living in china but the axiom

of a people being able to have any

rights whatsoever

is that a people can act as a people can

be sovereign as a people and the organ

and form of that sovereignty is a state

as specifically as

a people state which china is one of the

uniquely

one of the only

people states on planet earth it's a

people's republic it's a republic that

is specifically defined for the purpose

and aims not of defending abstract

sacred rights but

or the uh interests of the overwhelming

majority of the chinese people

themselves

um

kevin kept trying to interrupt me i

wanted to have this debate be more or

less a little bit civil but it got to a

point where kevin kept interrupting me

so persistently and so often

that i just had to come to the

realization that this is a person who

only understands the language of force

and dominance and in that regard

he was absolutely dominated and was

absolutely forced to concede on every

substantive point of contention whether

he's willing to admit that after the

debate um or not the fact of the matter

is that american unipolarity is on

decline we're entering a multi-polar

world and the west is no longer going to

be the leader uh of the entire globe in

the world we have the chinese

civilization the russian civilization

the islamic civilization brazilian and

latin american civilization as well as

europe itself in contrast to america

which are emerging as polls who

represent different peoples with

different interests um

and the old era of european colonialism

is done

uh it's as simple as that

all right

thank you guys um

so for people that are watching we do

have people what we're doing lately is

we are labeling blood sport debaters so

if there is blood sports and they both

are okay with it we'll let that go

people are not wanting blood sports

debates we'll step in a little bit more

so um these two are obviously blood

sports debaters so we kind of let them

go at it

um

other than that thank you guys both for

coming on the poll is up in our

community section so you guys can go

vote on who you think won

um and tomorrow night we have a debate

forget what it is on i'm not going to

like look at omni and dylan

prescription prices um are you going to

be on for a bit because i was just going

to radio if you are

um raid me um yeah i'm going to be going

on a show but yeah we could use all

right so i'm gonna be doing a post show

too so yeah are you on

sorry i'm not on twitch yet i'll be

going live in about five minutes all

right so i'm gonna radio and

um we are out and we will see you guys

tomorrow night and i believe 9 00 p.m

eastern so good night all right bye-bye

you died people

take it easy thank you

what an absolute child

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fix my mic

okay

do that

and let me uh turn this cam back on

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thank you gorilla gopnik thank you louis

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there are so many people thank you

stickies okay we're done

all right there's so many people who um

talk to eris and

she kind of sounds familiar i don't know

who that is though

oh my god guys that was fucking crazy

uh

dude i i a lot of the energy i wanted to

save for the royale but like

um

circle go live yet by the way

what's going on

there's a rap battle what the fuck is

going on

guys that was fucking crazy that was

honestly crazy

dude he was so annoying he literally

couldn't help but interrupt me and then

he wanted to fucking gaslight me and he

was like oh my god guys you're being so

ridiculous it's like okay well what do

you what do you expect you know i want

to debate and you don't want to

so it is what it is right

you know

he's like he dude they do he's so weird

dude he's like gullible goober

you know

what does that even mean