Communist Party USA Reforged

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oh you thought i was doing that intro

tonight now didn't you

damn funk

what today was a beautiful day guys

sunny

hot out i was in the sun

i'm gonna get my tan back don't worry

wait why would you worry about that okay

guys

shit what a day what a fucking day

you know as you guys know um we're

trying to make a transition

to twitch

um yeah twitch is free you know we're

gonna make the transition to twitch

we're still gonna be streaming on

youtube maybe for another week or two

weeks i don't know

i don't know the exact timeline but

eventually we're gonna fully transition

our streams to twitch and have videos on

youtube

okay and um

i know twitch is way more strict and

they're banning people

left and right for nothing

but we'll have youtube as backup you

know

we're multi-polarity and multi-platform

okay so don't worry

look at how with such ease we switch

between platforms you know it's so it's

super easy

you know so don't worry about it guys

this is the eight

the internet 2.0 is the age of

multi-platformity

you know what i'm saying so you're going

to be on multiple platforms and stuff

i got a lot of content lined up in store

today

a lot of news and guys

the gang's coming on today they're

available so

we have some people who can come on

today

we're going to check the reddit first

then we're going to get right into the

news

and after the news i want to talk to you

guys

about some of my thoughts on the current

prospects of a third party in the usa

i know american politics i get it okay i

get it don't worry

i'll make it fun we're gonna look at

movement for a people's party we're

gonna check out some things going on

around that

we're gonna check out cpusa and we're

gonna do it together we're not gonna do

it from the perspective of you know

i'm not gonna arrogantly be like i know

you know what it's like to organize a

party and i'm gonna look down on them

and critique them

we're just gonna do it together you know

as laymen people who aren't

experienced in you know building parties

and political

whatever i mean ezra's experienced um

a little bit way more than me but we're

just gonna look at it together and we're

gonna just talk about it we're gonna see

what we can you know we're gonna bounce

some ideas around and just

i want to get a feel of the situation

you know because we just need that feel

of the situation for third parties

in america so we're gonna do that

together okay

um now without further ado

let's check the reddit

and i didn't check this before stream

so don't worry damn i'm looking at it

right now

and wow i'm impressed so

we have a 676 fucking members

holy shit holy fucking shit

that's a lot that's a fucking lot

wow what are all these bananas

banana moons and shrimps

oh it's the opposite of gorillas and

sons

but i don't have a problem with the moon

we me and the moon are not on bad terms

dude the moon is not the opposite dude

dude the moon i'm fine with the moon

dude i don't got no beef with the moon

so i don't know what you think what kind

of statement you think you're making

but you know i don't got beef with the

moon

you understand i don't got beef with the

moon

okay let's continue castro and gorilla

based

soul isn't that a band

oh it's the roman cult the soul invictus

i mean this is a based picture but

i'm not so sure about this this is like

too much we're not about soul invictus

here guys we're not about

sun worship you got to make it more

subtle you know like just make it more

subtle

it's just like what i mean by that is

that don't directly worship the sun

just appreciate the sun shining on your

face you don't worship it it's haram

i'm kidding whatever

um we're not sun worshipers guys we

don't worship the sun

but we are one with the sun you know you

got to be

neoplaton neoplatonic mysticism

subtlety not you know soul invictus

cringe

and the band sucks too zen's alert

but i hate all bands actually zen's

alert

i write that this is that's fucking

scumbag

this is true this is 100 fucking true

this is a hundred fucking percent true

100

true yeah raccoons are way more actually

i don't hate raccoons but

i have one arch nemesis raccoon

i don't know if i i declared war on the

species itself yet

but i do have an arch nemesis raccoon

um the american century's over this is

that guy who's kind of hit or miss

sometimes he posts cringe like his

lysenko thing

but other times he's not so bad so let's

see what he's got we'll also discuss

our deep concerns with actions by china

including in xinjiang

hong kong taiwan cyber attacks on the

united states

economic coercion toward our allies

each of these actions threaten the

rules-based order

that maintains global stability

well you can't blame this problem on

somebody else i have to tell you what

i'm hearing

is very different from what you

described

i'm hearing deep satisfaction that the

united states is back

that we're re-engaged with our allies

and partners

i'm also hearing deep concern about some

well i think we thought too well of the

united states we thought that the u.s

side will

follow the necessary

oh shit dramatic protocols

so for china it was necessary that we

make our position

clear

so let me say here that in front of the

chinese side the united states does not

have the qualification to say that he

wants to speak to china

from a position of strength

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yeah it's as simple as that okay that

was a good video bass video

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vosko's full mask off saying that from

the writings of angles london mao he

learned socially is best under bourgeois

democracy

where there's a veneer where did you

learn that dude

it's plainly not true the only

successful revolutions happened

in fucking oriental despotic countries

and in all the democratic countries

nothing happened

the fuck are you talking about what a

dumb fucking thing to say

this is something that i've learned this

betrays basic common sense

i looked into the writings of people

like engels okay what he's talking about

is stageism but that's menshevism and

there was the bolsheviks distinguished

themselves from it

and marx and engels rejected stagism too

as it is

proven by fucking marx's writings on the

fucking russian

peasant commune that they didn't even go

through bourgeois modernity they could

just

pass right to communism that was marx's

view so and marx had also interesting

things to say about other non-western

peoples especially later during his life

later during his life so this is just

not true

okay it's just not true um

did they think that generally

would it be accurate to say that marxist

tended to think that bourgeois democracy

provided more favorable conditions to

the propagation of socialism yes

okay yes but there's very practical

reasons for that there's a few reasons

for it

one of the reasons was that the

revolution entailed by bourgeois

democracy which is this big

shock to the ancient regime they

considered

first of all that communists and

marxists whatever they have to like

they can't be reactionaries and just say

we can go back to the past

they have to acknowledge there's

something significant about that and

irreversible about it

the second thing is that

there's very practical reasons like for

example

um in germany under the

authoritarian state that the so the

social democrats the original ones were

operating under

restrictions against socialism and free

speech and whatever

um made it hard to disseminate

socialistic propaganda and grow

as a party but the irony is that

the german social democratic party even

under those conditions

would grow to be the largest in all of

europe and even all the whole fucking

world

as compared to england where you did

have that kind of free speech and as

compared to america where you had free

speech whatever

so abstractly they thought it was true

but concrete experience proved

it was way more it's way more

complicated than that

um and also the question of whether this

entails an

actual literal stageism was settled in

the disputes of russian social democracy

uh between the bolsheviks and everyone

else and specifically lenin as an

individual versus everyone else

so this is just not true um

that's just not true and what he's

saying about corporate democracy well

corporate democracy corporate democracy

that only makes sense for the latter

half of the 20th century when you're

actually they were they were precisely

not talking about

corporate democracy orthodox marxist

leninist view

would be that um bourgeois democracy

at least 19th century english liberal

bourgeois democracy and american liberal

democracy

is dead and gone and that imperialism

has transformed the state apparatus

into something different entirely

actually marx himself

pretty much hinted at that lenin was

polemicizing about this and explicitly

referenced this

lenin was polemicizing and arguing back

and forth with some idiot and the idiot

was like

well mark said that uh there could be a

peaceful transition to socialism under

democratic conditions

and then lenin said well that was before

the age of imperialism as disclosed by

the

um napoleon iii regime in france

and that at that time mark said the

state the state machinery cannot be

readily inherited

but must be smashed uh thought slime

and the rest of the serfs interpreted

that quote from marx

to mean that marx was saying that the

state in general has to be abolished

it's not what he was saying you're

saying the bourgeois state

as it exists cannot just be readily

inherited it has to be smashed into

pieces

he didn't say nothing's going to be

built instead he said this one needs to

be smashed into pieces

the one vash is talking about

specifically

so i mean there's direct textual

evidence that

that is the exact contrary of what was

trying to argue here and yet people

still look to this idiot as though he

knows

anything about marxism um and he knows

nothing

he doesn't know a fucking thing about

marxism he knows as much as i knew

sophomore year of high school no he

doesn't even know that in sophomore year

of high school

i was in depth reading like the left

comms

you know bordeja and those fucking

people

and even kamate and you know that's how

you pronounce his name

and i was reading i was even reading the

guide the board and i didn't get as far

as the frankfurt school guys

but like i was reading those french

assholes and i was reading

that in depth you know at that time in

my fucking

sophomore year of high school when i

before i turned 16 years old

and that's like almost a decade ago and

i knew way more than voss does right now

and lennon and mao you see socialists

are at least as i understand it most

comfortable

at least as you understand it okay at

least you're admitting it's

as far as you understand but i think

somebody needs to tell this guy that the

the extent of his understanding is so

abysmally limited

making our argument compared to like a

guy in sophomore year of high school

in a democratic or a bourgeois

democratic system that is to say

in a system where we have sort of this

veneer of corporate democracy where

people

no but they weren't talking about what

you're saying as a veneer of corporate

democracy

in their time over a hundred years ago

they were talking about a completely

different environment

they weren't talking about the veneer of

a corporate democracy they were talking

about

states which were more or less

liberal liberal democracies at least in

name

not this kind of centralized post ruby

ridge post wacko you know

fucking leviathan that we're dealing

with now which is the federal government

the u.s you know you're not

they weren't talking about that the the

bourgeois state back then

was nowhere near as in control as it is

now

it was nowhere near as powerful you know

it was nowhere near as powerful they

didn't have the fucking hay back then

they didn't even have

a real fbi they didn't have those kinds

of like

they didn't have a real established deep

state

they had secret you know conspiracy

whatever but they didn't have like this

fucking machine that we have now

you're really wrong about this voice

we'll expect things like

rights and representation you can make

arguments like

now in the 21st century bourgeois

democracy is

thematic it's thematic which means it's

like a fucking costume

it's it's not just a veneer it's

actually like a theme

it we are no different than a communist

party ruled state one party state it's

just that

instead of communism as our theme we

have democracy as our ideological theme

but that's all it is is an ideological

theme formally you can be like bernie

and run against the establishment

but they're gonna fucking use dirty

tricks against you and what that's

democracy you know it's like that's how

it works it's a fucking theme

it's a theme park democracy hey couldn't

we

there's nothing real about american

democracy nothing

nothing trust me there's nothing real

about it guys

in other countries well at least you can

have free speech you can have free

speech here to the extent that it's

literally harmless and makes no

difference when you start making

differences

the state comes hard and clams down on

you you know

this is so delusional i don't fucking

know what kind of fucking idiot this is

there's a difference between bourgeois

democracy in the 19th century and today

today there's no it's dead liberal

bourgeois democracy doesn't exist

anymore

it was inherited it did evolve in a new

way but it evolved into

it was inherited by socialism itself

it's not something that's just like

well how do we how do we compare back

then to now and you know who's the

equivalent of the bourgeois democracy

now there is no equivalent the situation

is just fundamentally different

by the way that meme of democracy first

then

that's the whole reason vosh has

retarded politics or at least

that's the theoretical justification as

far as he's concerned

has why is this called haas city

what i'm gonna find i'm dude i'm a

twitch streamer and a youtuber

i'm not gonna found a city

guys come on it's not that i'm not i'm

not that you know

there's not gonna be cities named after

me

um

that was 11 13 20 20 okay if haas was a

superhero

fool killer we do have so many of these

skulls now don't we we have like

yeah let me see this is neat

dude this is wrong

this is the top half is correct no wait

train is fine

the only people this applies to is this

this this this and this

you know the needs come on man

come on this is in bad taste too

this is also in bad taste you know

twitch is banning people left and right

and it's so fucking ridiculous

it's so fucking ridiculous man twitch is

like

such a tough platform to be on you're

always fucking walking on eggshells here

you know

you're always fucking walking on

eggshells on this platform

it's like it's it's like people on

twitch are

more nervous than a fucking soviet

bureaucrat during the height of the

fucking great purges would be

it's like you can never just relax

on this platform it's like at any moment

bam you're done

you're out you know at any fucking

moment

um it's it's ridiculous dude

and what i find i this is something i

find

really fucked up about this

the way it's done is that a lot of

people's livelihoods

depend on this and i'm not saying i'm

not saying this from like a moralistic

because i get it you know it's like

not everybody i'm not saying like i'm

not trying to go on like some

dignified rant but i'm just saying it

speaks to the kind of like

we we live in an age where everyone's

pretending to be so woke

and so sensitive about everything but

like they just so

easily ruin people's lives

and just take it all away for nothing

and it's like you could have just

left it alone and the no harm would be

done

but there's just some people who just

they gotta strike

you know they gotta fucking i don't know

maybe they feel it makes them feel good

to do that but it's like

it's like if you just left it alone for

a lot of people to get

just leave them alone and there's

literally no problem but people like to

create problems from thin air

you know people love creating problems

from thin air

um yeah and they're very unforgiving

when you're small

and it's like wait i thought cultural

marxists rule twitch

well if they were cultural marxists why

the fuck are they just going after all

the small people

you know um yeah

i can't tell this is an insult

please don't leave youtube we're not

gonna leave youtube it's just that

eventually

this is why i want to start this is why

we have to

stop streaming on youtube eventually

because

if i click affiliate on twitch that's

the only way i can access twitch

subscriptions

and twitch subscriptions is a way for

you guys to support me without paying a

dime

depending on whether you have amazon

prime or not and youtube doesn't have an

equivalent

of anything like that you know

what is this why does haas encourage his

viewers to read nick

land besides a few decent criticisms of

liberal democracy what do marxists have

to gain from reading the work of a race

dude come on don't be a fucking don't be

one of these people

don't be one of these fucking canceled

like

okay i just not to be offensive but like

i'm curious if this guy is white or not

because he sounds it sounds like a very

something like someone who's a white

liberal would say

dude don't you realize land thinks i'm

subhuman

just dude you just said racist

chauvinistic eugenicist okay

literally every fucking thinker that

marx dealt with

and was reading and was inspired by was

that

every single fucking one and you wanna

you want me to tell you something

they're all still like that but they

hide it you think

fucking just because someone's smiling

and do you know pretending to be woke

and progressive

that they're not this dude they're even

more chauvinistic from what i know about

nick land

on a personal level he's a really nice

good guy

and he he's never racist or anything

personally toward anyone

but a lot of people who claim they're

not racist like vlog

they're not chauvinistic they're the

biggest racist and biggest chauvinistic

type of people

dude you gotta grow thick skin and

what did lennon say lennon said you have

to read all the treasures of mankind and

no you can't selectively choose what is

and isn't a

form of brilliance just because they're

politically incorrect and yes all of

this

what you're saying is that he's

politically incorrect

it's not enough to label someone a

racist to say

they have nothing interesting to say

because

land is not only a racist or a

chauvinist there's a reason he's those

things and it

you know he's other things too i don't i

don't understand it though i just don't

get it like

don't you realize everyone's like that

and they're just fake about it

it's like i encourage you to read nick

land because the guy is fucking

brilliant

and i challenge you to think critically

about what he has to say because i doubt

you have an intelligent response if you

if you can just so easily dismiss him as

a racist

like what is your intelligent response

to the problems nick land raises

do you have one land gets you thinking

about things you otherwise wouldn't be

thinking about

you know this is dude

this is the problem it is very

dogmatic i'm gonna i'm still on the

reddit i've seen its psa

if you're only gonna read people because

they agree with you politically

you're not going to fucking read anyone

interesting do you read nicholas talib

nassim nicholas talib

you read him he's not one he's not one

of us politically

you're only going to read people who

agree with you politically

do you know how many fucking people marx

read

do you know who inspired lenin's work

imperialism the highest stage of capital

it wasn't a marxist it was some random

british guy

who wasn't politically progressive and

lenin based it all on him

that's who inspired him marx drew from

everyone he read

everyone he didn't say this person's

right because they agree with him

politically

marx always said that there's hidden

brilliance

and hidden genius

and yes people don't know how to put the

pieces together so they end up being

reactionary politically

but marx saw the deeper truth in people

he didn't dismiss them or write them off

because they were just wrong politically

he saw the deeper truth and deeper

brilliance in them

and that's what marxists are supposed to

do not just read people just because

they call themselves marxists that's how

you cultivate

laziness and mediocrity and let me tell

you what other controversy will take

nick land is smarter than 99.99999

of all people who call themselves

marxists today whenever i fucking read

marxist

i read the most dumb stupid

platitude-ridden boring dumb bullshit

it's fucking book oh capitalism affects

our lives but shut the fuck

up okay i'm sick of reading marxists

in 2021. they all suck please name me

moxes who have

smart things to say and you'll find like

two people

dude marxism is mediocrity that's all it

fucking means

all you have to do is recite the formula

and plug in the formula variables it's

the fucking stupid arithmetic that

anyone can do

well this is how i'm gonna analyze shrek

shrek

is uh he is a capitalist exploiting don

it's like so fuck it's like mad libs you

just fill in the fucking blanks

and shoehorn in the most fucking

mediocre vulgar types of analysis

and let me tell you another thing

marxists always

fuck up intelligent analysis someone

like jimmy dore will spontaneously and

instinctually

have a fucking good analysis but then

some fucking marxist

actually guy will come and fucking bury

and extinguish his brilliance

by shoehorning in this simplistic

dogmatic bullshit

that ignores the subtlety of fucking

human reality

i think people need to fucking remember

that marx was a humanist

so he believed in being a well-rounded

well-cultivated human individual

not a fucking npc marxist npc

who shoehorns in fucking superficial

dumb analysis

yeah even jordan peterson has smart

things to say sometimes

sometimes very rarely but sometimes he

does have smart things to say i think

okay you have to read fucking everybody

don't fucking come here and be like

well everyone's gonna be problematic

politically the goal of marxism is

to be well-rounded be correct

politically but also be

brilliant as a human being if you're

just correct politically but you don't

have human brilliance

you're a fucking parasite because you're

just fucking using

others work and repping it without

actually

going doing the actual work necessary to

justify it

dude marx spent all day in the british

library literally reading everyone and

in marx's time there were no marxists

and in lenin's time

all the fucking marxists were sellouts

and fakes and phonies

and lenin exposed all of them when world

war one happened

that's why lenin looked at people who

weren't marxist and read

from them and appreciated their

brilliance that's why lenin wrote

imperialism

he read non-marxism remember when i said

leftists are always the ones who fuck

shit up

marxists are always the ones who stop

our marxism from being

the best marxists are the ones who fuck

up marxism

no ground you legit sound dumb what are

you fucking saying

what does that mean

what does that fucking even mean

dude read everybody

you have to be solid politically but

read everyone dude

don't just ignore people because they

don't agree with you politically because

they have intelligent things to say

and me if you listen to me at all you're

listening to some of nick land

because that guy profoundly influenced

my thinking profoundly influenced and

reshaped

my thinking profoundly profoundly

i there would be no infrared there would

be no has

without people like nick land

okay if you're

by by listening to me you're listening

to a piece of him

and you're listening to a piece of dugan

you're listening to a piece of a lot of

other problematic people too

lenin's speech on anti-semitism

how long

this is good we don't have time

found sage's old video

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i don't know what this fucking means

who's the coolest

okay full metal posting nope

i'm down i'm not going to downvote it

wash independently arrives the sources

of the chinese heritage

in your mind is market socialism

temporary or permanent oh temporary

i just look have you read any other neo

reaction

oh yeah i have i've read mold bug too

mold bug is way dumber than nickland but

he still has interesting things to say

so the the component of market socialism

that's important to me i should have

marxist humanism no

yeah yeah yeah yeah we're not talking

about euro communist

we're not talking about humanitarianism

humanism means something different it

goes to the renaissance

you know we're not talking about like uh

lib bullshit

and i'm i'm talking about that talked

about this game

the important of mark and so okay here

hold on let's let's do this okay

okay get ready people for fucking

paint stream okay okay hold dipshits

i'm skeptical we'll ever escape mark

okay i'm gonna draw

the world okay i saw this shit

yeah he basically is like you have to

trade with people

go socially start producing everything

for the people by the people

of sources in your country and in top of

the world

the goal though the real goal is to make

capitalist countries

dependent on market socialist countries

can you imagine by the way

what would happen if america went to war

with china and we didn't get any more

chinese goods in this country this

country would fucking clap

foss you just said whatever oh yeah it's

because they're because

because in china not every company is

run by a democratically elected pencil

factory

so so that's why china doesn't actually

this video this is the wrong title guys

you're misrepresenting wash

according to vos the reason um china is

not

socialist is because the

um the politics of 19th century liberal

sovereignty

are not transposed to every small

workplace

therefore there's no work there's no

workers ownership of the means of

production

because the only way you can exercise

ownership is through

liberal sovereignty uh from 16th century

writings

here we go pete davidson i put class

struggle first already better than

door door doesn't read endnotes

and has no idea that capital

capital is the true puppeteer and he is

merely the puppet

on capitol strings

that's these fucking idiots in my chat

guys want to bet where pete davidson

pete dandelions from

want to bet where he's from what website

he's from

jimmy dore doesn't read

communization theory and he's an

idiot because populism makes me feel

uncomfortable

and i would rather talk with my fellow

grad students about the true class

struggle

shut the fuck up populism

they always say popular and so i love

how they reduce

like the objective fact of popular

realities

and national realities they reduce this

to the

phrase populism oh yeah populism is just

like an

idea that's floating around there and

sometimes people grab this idea

and that's what animates masses to

support it's like the idea it's just

there's such fucking idiot idealists

like the idea is just out there and they

just grab the idea from the aether and

that's that's

id poll it paul they just do the same

thing with the word id poll

they just grab some idpol yeah yeah huey

newton

he was just grabbing some id poll and he

was high off it yeah it pulled the idea

it

shut up shut up with this idealist

bullshit

wash guarding eggs

if you know you know

i stood okay guys so this

so i raided wash last night

and i saw this someone sent me this at

like

4 00 a.m when i was high

as fuck because i took two of these it's

legal it's for sleep

but i was made me took made me high as

fuck schizo level high

and i was watching willy's wonderland

and i love that movie

nine out of ten willy's wonderland i

love it with nicholas cage

loved it the five nights at freddy's

movie i loved it uh anyway

someone sent me this and it i literally

just

thought of wash as like this big

detached head like he's the final boss

and i was like what the fuck he's

talking about me

[Laughter]

because like this cause look at the

stream you don't see wash his head but

his voice just comes on

so i just thought of vosh as like a

detached big head

who's like in the void just speaking

bullshit at me like

you will never catch me

i will keep getting away like he's like

a fucking video game villain or

something

but i'm gonna this is me gonna i'm gonna

watch it

sober for the first time and i'll listen

to it sober because i just you know i

didn't listen to a sober so let me see

what he said

he was talking shit about us though

i just caught people stupid goddamn

right

infrared's not a troll they're legit

yeah that's like insane to me

i actually watch some of infor

reads content on my own recently just

like out of curiosity

shut up boss oh you're watching it out

of curiosity dude boss you literally

subscribed to us probably and you're

fucking watching us every day you're

probably watching us now

fat lying fuck at least he admits it

though thought slime's like oh i've

never heard of infrared

maybe his appearance with me was just

like aberrant i

un-ironic i actually i actually he every

time vosh like wants to say

he wants to exaggerate his points he's

like i unironically

cannot unders like shut up fucking

posturing bitch

genuinely don't i can't actually tell if

it's a bit

wash let me i'm gonna call your bluff i

want you to actually

see if you can make me look stupid

like please test me wash test how

knowledgeable i am compared to you

[Laughter]

please watch let's test let's test it um

vosh flash you're so out way over you're

way out of your head

you're way over your head dude

[Laughter]

like he's got no idea he's like it's

he's like lost

but that's what i mean to be a tanki all

you really need to do is be

saying i'm lost because he he it makes

no sense to him he's like

oh yeah he must be lost

[Laughter]

i'm the lost one but vosh said that

lenin would vote for biden

but i'm lost yeah it's bluffing dude

it's pure bluffing

very stupid and uh accuse every

them kinkies are stupid one who

disagrees with you of being racist

and that and they do you being rich i

called you

racist because you called me a fascist

so two can play at this game

bitch that's that's pretty much the

spirit right there isn't it

they're they're basically like um dude

you called me a fascist and you're like

oh thank you support fascists like

you're the one who started

throwing you know mean names like that

like dude you're the you're the fucking

racist you know i can play these games

too

they're basically like uh slightly

edgier like you your whole stick was the

fascism card if i

you can use the fascism card but i can't

use the race card

dude literally gargle on my balls like

liberal id pull types like k-hive you

know what i mean dude and

he thinks that he thinks that

anti-racism is

liberal it pull like it's the same thing

they like scream dude a lot they'll call

you racist if you don't like their uh

their their stands their daddies

wash their whole racism thing

dude you literally do the same but with

fascism

and nozbe what are you talking about

that's that's basically the the long and

short that's what you do you fat

fuck if you didn't call us all fascists

and nozbels

um and you didn't use that as your

fucking holy writ of oh the

spectre of fascism is there oh my god

maybe we could just have a conversation

without mentioning all that ugly

business now couldn't we

sort of little uh little little centrist

democrat types

see they're doing it right there the

person in chat quantine see

he literally came on because he saw i

raided him

the tortoise charge infrared

still cannot stop the tortoise charge at

night

it has only made the charge visible

debate

shut up dude shut the fuck

up

in light of tonight's stream average

well reasoned argue

average angry fucking retard enjoyer

i'm not even sure if i should like this

or not how am i a fucking angry retard

who is lmrs aren't you the same person

yeah you are the same person okay lmrs

let me tell you something

why don't you just go watch luna oy

because there's no fascism and there's

no

nick land there's no dugan and there's

no you know

toxic go watch your safe space streamers

dude

just go do that go watch your safe space

streamers

you know because we're not a safe space

for you and we're not gonna make you

feel comfy and cozy here so i'm gonna

actually download this

why don't you go go watch your uh comfy

cozy streamers and leave me alone

yeah and i will not denounce juice gang

i'm not gonna do it sorry

i'm not denouncing juicy game by the way

just not happening

you know so yeah

and i know you guys trying to cause

drama and be like oh infrared's

denouncing luna and

and it's not going on okay i'm never the

one who causes division it's never me

it's never me but you know what if you

are so intent on like making that

distinction

go watch them just go watch them okay go

watch them

go watch them then you know i don't need

you personally i don't need you

i don't need you in the stream you can

go watch them you know

wesley input output analysis model

was a a rush imagine if i made the

stream

everyone watch this on stream

[Laughter]

okay new

fellow n-word enjoyer

true

gorilla grad it wouldn't look like this

and it would not be called gorilla grad

anything else let's see

reach the masses such a nebulous concept

i have more organizational power by

being no you don't you fucking idiot

you have more you have more power of

feeling like

you are it's the feeling personal

individual feeling

than door does with this populism what a

fucking delusional fucking idiot

that's the most stupid fucking thing

i've ever heard he said i have more

organizational power

by being close with my neighbors than

dora does with his populism

dude this is the epitome of fucking

western individualist retardation

because he feels the effect

of something when he's going to fuck his

neighbors or something

have an orgy with his neighbors he feels

it personally

and he's reducing the actual objective

reality to his subjective experience

of feeling close to his neighbors this

is the most stupid fucking thing i've

ever read

this fucking idiot doesn't realize that

the justice democrats

were created by kyle kulinski and sank

whatever

and movement for a people's party i bet

you my balls

that a big thrust of that whole thing is

created by jimmy dore

at least a big thrust of it all jim dude

jimmy's nearly a

a million subs he has way more way more

power

dude people from infrared literally went

and joined the cp usa

from infrared and there's a ton maybe at

least a fucking dozen

that's you think you can convince your

neighbors to join the cpusa

as fucking effectively as i convinced i

didn't even ask them to by the way it

wasn't even like our program just

because of the meme

cpusa 2036 people in this fucking chat

our audience went and joined cpusa i

didn't even tell them to

imagine if i was like making my platform

hey guys we need to take over the sea

like imagine if that was my fucking

stick

i would convince way more fucking people

than you would be able to you only have

two neighbors idiot

one on left side or on the right side

okay maybe you can go knock on doors or

something

and see how far it'll get you you

fucking idiot what is

up with fucking morons in the west who

think there's something more authentic

about doing it yourself why you need a

workout is that it you just need an

exercise

i can relate i exercise every fucking

day but i don't pretend that's the same

as revolutionary practices

i understand the whole point of working

out is so my muscles get bigger or

something

why don't you just go run a mile you

fucking idiot you just love

pain you love protestant pain you're a

protestant pain enjoyer

and your theology doesn't apply to me

i'm muslim leave me alone

i don't share your your enjoyment of

pain and suffering

as the epitome of the absolute

experience

like you just love oh yeah guys i

knocked on doors

and i ran across the block today and i

just been putting sweat in it and

you know there's like it got a lot of

sweat in it and i said dude just go on

the treadmill then leave me alone

fucking idiot biggest dumbass in my chat

so far is pete idiot

tardation pete dandelton

is a fucking idiot okay let's continue

i think this is it and we're gonna okay

hold on

let me tell

on let me tell them

go in show okay

hello

all right

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hey what's up ezra hello can you hear me

yeah yeah we we can hear you let me um

hold on they talk

uh-huh okay yeah i got you guys the

stream got you hold on let me um

i don't know how long i can stay also

okay i'm gonna try to pop this

out oh you we need to do the video

thing to do that hold on just um

fuck

to capture it to capture we have to do

video but i just want to capture like

your avatar you know

okay um i mean it's fine

just um turn video on but don't turn

your webcam on it or cover your webcam

and then turn the video off okay

that way i can pop it out okay yeah wait

let me pop it out

okay i popped it out and now you can

turn it off

all right perfect perfect okay i'm gonna

pop it out

and then i'm gonna get rid of me because

how do i do this

show none oh wait fuck i can't get rid

of myself shit

that's the way actually hold on um

it well it's fine

we don't have any things um

resource discord

and then

uh this one right here okay

i almost captured the wrong thing from

discord fuck

all right leave it to my imagination

are we live yeah yeah perfect perfect i

got it

i got it

oh evan's here shit

hello guys hello oh shit

you just leave he's probably

reconnecting

we're gonna go straight into the news

all right

let's pull up our on stream links

all right what's the first thing i

wanted to cover

all right let's check this i want to

check this article out the

intersectional imperialism thing

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all right all right guys i didn't

actually read this so i want to check it

out with you guys on stream i'm not

going to slowly read it so don't worry

it's not going to be boring

but um this is going to be

this is going to be fun

put this here

check what up what up evan how are you

doing

hey it was good was good can you hear me

all right yeah yeah we can hear you we

can join you

hello evan hey what's up ezra

dude what's good

dude we got a lot of fucking idiots in

the chat

i know man i'm seeing them

hey everybody what's up everybody uh you

gotta forgive me

um i'm eating when i'm done i'll get on

video and all that shit

uh but hope everybody's well for sure

for sure um

so i wanted to check this out this

article intersectional

imperialism because the title itself i

already get what's going on

and it sounds interesting so let's read

it the empire claps

back oh no oh no

star wars shit immediately immediately

a a horrible image just came in my head

horrible image the empire claps back

with trump-style nationalism out of the

door a new era of imperial ideology is

upon us

this mutation of the empire's dominant

dogma is manifesting throughout global

institutions

of economic political and social control

and is materializing and admired of

conflict theaters

dude so fucking true

so fucking true and wash is saying that

um this is actually america's spreading

democracy so

because it's lgbt rights you know

you can't criticize him you're a fascist

if you criticize him for that

yeah yeah um

but this is so true and any

international people here

want to confirm this like uh you're

seeing the per

the permeation of all this woke bullshit

through american funded and led

institutions

around the whole fucking world and

completely alien from the soil

in which it is taking root

uh in order to identify where woke

imperialism exists we have to define it

first

uh oh i'm just kidding so what is it

it's certainly not the first iteration

of hegemonic domination buttressed by

moralism

the doctrine of responsibility to

protect was officialized

by the united nations in 2005 but its

roots really traced back to the nato

bombing campaign of yugoslavia

during the obama years the term

humanitarian intervention caught on as a

main moniker for such actions

woke imperialism should be understood as

the maturation of these concepts

as corporations have increasingly

embraced rainbow capitalism to keep

up with the sensibilities of an

increasingly liberal us public

so too have institutions of united

states imperialism refined their pitches

to reflect the increasing popularity

of identity politics this phenomena has

not gone unnoticed

as with everything on the internet it

has become the subject of memes with an

image of okay we know this meme

this is it guys here it is this is the

biden era

they sent they say the next one will be

sent by a woman

really makes you feel like you're a part

of history

maybe very soon given how bad

it's been acting physically but

[Laughter]

yeah unless they you know they put his

head in a jar or something

um what both of the above memes can't

express

given their limited format is the

variety of methods of exerting imperial

control

as it takes many forms beyond bombing

and not all this can be chalked up to

the presidential transition

we knew that the state department and

three letter agencies were hardly on

board with president trump's approach to

foreign policy

nor his cultural proclivities

this is the dylan burns dylan burns

foreign

policy era so while a lot of trends

the noble anti-triggering organization

nato

look at this nato act let's watch this

ad

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at nato diversity is our strength

wait they're all white yes there's a

bunch of white people damn

diversity they didn't even try come on

guys

not a single one usually they'll throw

like one dark-skinned dude in there

just the one they gotta tokenize

somebody but not even here

maybe it's more honest this way wait

went away don't you know she's she's uh

she's she just like elizabeth warren she

actually is 132nd

american blood 1 out of 32 that fraction

she's got about

0.5 native american blood

and the one drop rule yeah prevail

exactly

yeah this is native american

representation in nato

and she's descended from the yamnaya

invaders from asia that

brought um that the indo-european

invasion of europe

she's descended of one of those people

so that's something

our own unique personalities different

skills yeah

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oh okay okay and she didn't even get

screen time

they literally just flashed that black

lady didn't give her any screen time

they might have cut her off she probably

doesn't even speak english

jesus they they just found her randomly

and they're probably like they probably

got troops in her country they just

found her

yeah exactly exactly come with us

yeah come with us for a photo shoot

really quick

this is an example of the people we

from all over the invaded from every

walk of life

no two of us are the same this is the

awkwardness of europeans

trying really hard to appear american

oh boy we were and they're even worse

than

americans that's doing it and americans

are not good at appearing quote unquote

americans in the first place

they're really not

guys by the way this is nato the north

atlantic

um i'm retarded wait was it north

atlanta

mine trigger what is it something

triggered

the north atlantic triggering

organization

and it was formed yeah the north

atlantic treaty

organization and it was formed after

world war ii um

and this is what it's become now it's

it's like um it's a cruise ship

you know yeah yes yes

cruise ship the first thing that it made

me think of was like an airline

like you know how when you sit on the

airplane and they tell you how to like

be safe

on the thing what if they just started

what if they just started showing like

operation gladio

stuff and like they just show neo-nazis

they show like some ukrainian guy with a

swastika

it's all in the background yeah it's all

in the background no no they they know

the the

the ukrainian guy with the swastika he's

right in front of the camera

and he's smiling guys we're really

diverse look we've got the neo-nazi

we've got

masonic italian fascists we gotta

embrace

differences embrace our differences

embrace our deficits

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because we all have one thing in common

we are

nato bro this is the democratic party

i see no difference look at this guy

with the man button hey guys

it's skinny boss

it's skinny wash

when he starts taking i don't even see

the person on my screen at this moment i

know who you're referring to

why does he look like this they all look

like they have why do they have man buns

is that like supposed to be like uh

a way to escape whiteness

like if i have no one

no no i think it's it's in solidarity

with women

this guy's

it's the most fake smile i've ever seen

oh shit you see this whoa

is it gonna turn into the facebook

symbol

the f facebook oh wait what imagine it

turns into a swastika

what kind of shit is this

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we are nato imagine being

such a cock that you you hashtag we are

nato you actually tweet that

imagine being that much of a fucking

cuck what is this kamala 1984

you know my mother had many signs but

one of them was

she is so unlikable she's so unlikable i

just hate kamala forget about her

politics she's an unlikable person

yeah agreed agreed snake snake

yeah i actually can't think of anyone

more unlikable on a national level

it's really a stretch i think you really

have to you really have to suppress a

lot of shit

i think a lot of people lie to

themselves

yeah a lot of people delusional to do

many things yeah

make sure you're not the last that's

about legacy that's about creating a

pathway that's

kamala picks and chooses when she's

black

all the time yes she's always picking

and choosing when she identifies with

being black

recently she's more asian now yeah i

think

controversy yeah

bro it's perfect it's perfect this is

multi-ethnicity you can just touch

everything

i've experienced everything i'm also

asian i'm also a

xyz whatever i know your pain

kamala has the infinity gauntlet of

identity

yes exactly

during uh when there was discrimination

against

during trump's travel ban she appeared

in the hijab

i know you're paying guys i feel your

pain i am also muslim

[Laughter]

bro bro that's got to be something

that's got to be something do have some

groundbreaking news to start us off

dude dylan burns and sdl social done

left

they're soy facing at this news ready uh

in his very first remarks as

secretary of state uh secretary blink

just imagine them soy facing or watching

this

laid out his vision for strengthening

the state department

both in the near term and in the years

to come

in those remarks he acknowledged that we

cannot do our job

of advancing america's interests values

our commitment to democracy without a

state department that is truly

representative of the american people

socialism on the left watches this and

he's like this is

literally sick of so sometimes left's

face is literally him when he watches

this

say my guy that's literally how he

watches it

dylan burns no this is dylan burns face

ready he's goes

first he has a serious inquisitive face

here's the half smile

it's like everything's going according

to plan

yeah he's he's very like uh they did not

disappoint he's he's very proud

like he's very linking improved

diversity and inclusion to

the broader success of u.s foreign

policy

this is this is def not definition this

is an npc

this is this is literally a robot dude

this guy went

after he delivered this speech he just

like he prepared his papers

he prepared his papers and he goes he

looked he was walking away and then he

goes

i did a good thing today

dang that's sad yeah that's depressing

secretary blinken announced the creation

of a new chief diversity

and inclusion officer position which

will report directly

to him the cdio as it's known will align

an

advanced dni policies across the

department

bring transparency to these initiatives

and hold senior leadership

accountable on progress additionally

each of our bureaus will also designate

an existing deputy assistance secretary

to support that bureau's own efforts and

to serve on a newly created this is a

fucking bureaucratic nightmare what did

he just say

we're gonna appoint someone and then

appoint another person

and then appoint someone who's gonna

appoint that person who's gonna

oversee that person and it's you just

get bogged down in the weeds and it's

like

okay fine i promise i won't say the slur

okay i won't say that

i won't be transphobic just leave me

alone

there's the there's so much like you you

get bogged down in so many weeds

and it's like okay i'm sorry okay you

don't have to just exhaust you

diversity it's the worst kind of torture

it's the worst kind of torture

dude what a pathetic display of an

empire

desperately just it's just trying to get

anything

we're gonna we're going to um appoint an

official

twitter meme squad we're going to create

memes now guys

council we got to get with culture

they're behind

from that's what they do yeah yeah they

always do this whenever they're behind

all the time when they're behind then

they just have to hire an expert

like they're failing it's an abject

failure and they're like we'll just hire

an expert

that's their go-to for everything

department to achieve the goals laid out

in the upcoming diversity and inclusion

strategic plan

they have a strategic plan diversity

inclusion make us stronger

smarter more creative and more

innovative

the work of building a state department

that truly represents the american

people

is just beginning uh but today's

announcement

the secretary's dude with what this

guy's doing

they could literally put anybody on

there i don't see why at this point in

time

they don't just put celebrities on

people who can actually

speak and do it well if you're just

gonna read off some shit you might as

well have that means nothing

if you're gonna read some shit that

means literally nothing you might as

well have somebody who's good at reading

meaningless

microsoft might as well have microsoft

sam yeah

yes yeah yeah right might as well series

on there

fucking talking to us guys

this has triggered me because this

diverse fuck fuck it's it's my law paper

i have to write about i have to persuade

that

that that uh diversity is a strength and

at

fuck the fuck law school fuck law school

fuck diversity

flip it and ship it fuck diversity i

hate that word so much

straight through diversity shut

up what a meaningless phrase it's such

like an american obsessed

thing to talk about diversity dude fuck

diversity i'm so sick of hearing about

it

fuck the word diversity shut up

department of defense

strength through diversity because

americans are obsessed with multiplicity

for multiplicity is on say

like american scientists actually

believe in many worlds theory what a

bunch of fucking idiots

there are many universes it's the

multiverse guys

by the way guys anytime a show or a lore

talks about the multiverse they gave up

yeah they can't justify it they can't

justify why they made a change so just

like oh

it's the multiverse guys oh i'm telling

you they always just intentionally

they they substitute quality writing and

storytelling

for for bullshit that's what it is

that's america it makes quality

it makes a story meaningless anyway like

completely yeah just so arbitrary and

stupid

all right i think uh the age of women on

it women no no

jesus i think we've kind of exhausted

this

yeah yeah yeah thoroughly

we've we've uh said a lot about it

actually let's go to the next thing

so i heard on reddit there was an ama

for a real prisoner of the uyghur camps

or a went undercover to visit chinese

labor camps

and apparently the redditors

exposed her as a fraud this is the

um gizmo person or is it

someone else the name is

uh lauren something fuck new york

i think she's the gizmo person

yeah no no i think this is someone else

okay it's not you know the person likes

both times

oh and reddit exposed her

that's crazy that reddit exposed her i

didn't expect reddit maybe wall street

bets turned reddit from

cucked to something else yeah they got

exposed hard

what did you see so i think there are a

lot of very very passionate

die or slash style uh

people there guys check this out would

you mind describing what you saw in the

labor camps

tldr i didn't go inside but i can share

you a link to a 30 year old documentary

now go buy my book

and she's one eighth wieger she's one

eighth weaker that's

it's more than elizabeth warren so she

must know she's talking damn

yeah legit legit is she the person who

oh yeah yeah wait is she the person who

wrote the new york times oped about

how like this cbc

suppressed her ethnic identity that she

doesn't even know she's

part weaker or something yeah i think so

yeah it was the ccp uh suppressed my

23andme results

[Laughter]

yes this is the ccp's fault that i don't

speak uighur

i don't even know about my weaker roots

like 1

8 1 8 is nothing by the way guys can you

think of

so what's 1 8 so your parents

and i'm so stupid wait one great group

of parents

one grand grace grandparents one great

grandparent

and on that basis she thinks the ccp

stopped her um

stopped her from recalling her ancestry

wow okay this is a video that i'm

interested in and this is a

three takeaways from china u.s alaska

meetings and it's about four minutes we

might not watch all of it but let's just

check it out i'm interested to hear this

is a chinese media company so i'm

interested to hear their

their impressions and their guy you know

so yeah

hey guys welcome to reality check i'm

the world has been making sense of the

recent alaska meeting between beijing

and the biden

administration here are a few quick

thoughts here first of all

you do see the shifting power dynamics

between beijing

and washington this is a photo that went

viral

on chinese social media the first one

was taken

at the signing of boxer protocol in 1901

an

unequal treaty china signed after it's

defeated by

eight western powers the treaty allowed

the western troops to be stationed in

china

and forced beijing to pay 18 000 tons of

silver

which is 10 billion us dollars in

today's value

it took china four decades to pay it off

the second one was taken at the alaska

meeting in 2021

youngju china's senior official pointed

fingers i mean

literally pointing his fingers at the

u.s side

accusing them of condescension and

hypocrisy citing specific examples of

black lives matter movement

the capital riot and endless american

wars bro this is the same thing

there's no qualification yeah same thing

it's like check the record check the

record

fujin which started talking about the

the native the

genocide exactly he's like not only did

you genocide the indigenous people then

you bring africans

over enslave them for hunt he's the only

one

straight checking like that yeah dude

yeah it was good shit it has some

backbone you know what i mean this is

backbone

and putin named it he said the american

establishment and the ruling class

he named them

yeah man okay all right play this one so

we can

yeah yeah draw some parallels this is

backbone this is backbone

wow when was the last time anyone had

got to tell us secretary of state

that and to tell that on live television

on twitter

99 sheikh says referring to young speech

18 minutes of hardcore truth ouch

yes 123 says it was always america

dictate topics between the two now

they're surprised global politics put it

even more bluntly saying

oh this is a beautiful tweet look at

this you are not

number one anymore you are not boss this

is a multi-polar world

shout out marxism leninism in the age of

multi-polarity

learn to treat others like equals and

shut the fuck

up with your sanctimonious bullshit

about freedom democracy and human rights

wow guys let me tattoo this on my body

okay saying basically china told the us

you're not number one anymore learn to

treat others like equals

shut up about freedom democracy and

human rights and here's my favorite

a singular figure based

this is fucking awesome dude this is

fucking awesome

challenged western stereotypes and

ignorance is this

you're sorely missed now a lot of people

interpret china's remarks in alaska has

been

aggressive on a soft topic but i heard

that mao

to the end of his life he ordered movies

by bruce lee

and he didn't want to give him up

because he loved him so much

do you hear about that i've never heard

of it

it could be true i mean i can look it up

yeah that's what i read it didn't sound

like a false source but uh that's

fascinating

you know sorry the bruce movies are so

the bruce lee movies are excellent

really

they're very very good man and just uh

you know it is instills a good spirit

within the viewer

yeah they're powerful films you know

what i mean and all

all of them at least the ones that i've

seen always have that theme

of the peasantry coming up and rebelling

against

the landlord whatever um that's always a

pr

a consistent theme in those movies and

the need to like train and be

disciplined

over your body be able to defend

yourself in your community

against the fucking parasites and all of

that shit

they're they're excellent movies

but after trump and pompeo the chinese

source confirms it so

it's real i love that

i just wish my dream would be that bruce

lee collaborates with chinese filmmakers

in an alternate timeline that would be

fucking sick

and to make good propaganda you know

yeah yeah but yeah

scapegoating china for what's largely

been america's own problem for four

years

yen's 16-minute statement looks moderate

my second observation is that the adage

that foreign policy starts at home

remains as true today as it has ever

been

biden faces tremendous pressure from the

republicans to be tough on china

as the two sides met in alaska marco

rubio said he fears beijing will quote

lure us into a deal that we think is so

important that

he started insisting on us to stop

talking about hong kong

stop talking about taiwan stop talking

about muslim labor camps

marco rubio is the champion of muslims

everywhere

guys michael filsberry trump's favorite

china expert said similar things

and after the talks breitbart one of the

most conservative news outlets in

america says

china humiliates spiden's foreign policy

team shame splinken

with black lives matter conservative

commentators such as mike

cernovich framed at the meeting in

alaska as a humiliation for biden 2.

let's face it biden will be accused of

being soft on china no matter what he

does or does not do

but it's still worth trying getting the

optics right as your new president

after all the success of dude what's so

funny the thing that i keep thinking

about republicans it's the video i

it i think it came out yesterday or

whatever you see that video where binds

like walking up

air force one yeah bro and he freaking

slips oh my god that's like perfect

not only is it happening to his actual

physical body

but even intellectually the man is

falling apart

it happened on the first day with the

whole showdown with the chinese devil

that's two

oh my god he was shaking he was

terrified fell

off walking up the steps yo trump was

making fun of him i heard

dude i saw that shit too funny people

like people around the world are making

fun of him

hey it's worse than is worse than

trump yeah dude

dude i i don't care dude trump

trump was the best u.s president that i

lived with

that i lived with within my lifetime he

was the best one

easily the best who wouldn't

pick on the biggest boogeyman finally

people matter a most recent gallup poll

in march shows an

unprecedented 63 percent of the american

public thinks

china's growing economy is a threat to

america

and nearly half of all americans think

china is its

biggest enemy a year ago americans were

split over whether russia or china is

enemy number one

this coincided with rising hate crimes

against

asians and asian americans the kobe

pandemic along with the paddling of

china virus and kung flu narrative has

apparently

increased negative perceptions on ethnic

chinese both

in america and on the other side of the

ocean

there needs to be more nuanced mutual

understanding

through personal connections through

travel through study abroad programs

to get china-u.s relations back on track

people

on both sides need immunity immunity not

just from covet

but from the whims and indoctrination of

politicians

wow nicely put cool video

um this is some other news this is also

china related don't worry it's not all

going to be about china today guys

we just have a few things i think this

is the last thing

but um xinjiang people i don't know

ezra how do you actually pronounce it

because people tell me i'm pronouncing

it wrong

oh pronounced what uh

this is pretty good i used to be such an

idiot

xinjiang

all right i got it i got it now all

right yeah you got to get the accents

right you got to get the tones so

people from there are refuting and suing

german uh

foreign

the memorial foundation for the victims

of communism

and we infrared we've created many

victims of communism ship

yeah you saw the skulls wash is one of

them

there's a lot of victims here that we

created

i wish i could stay longer and i will

probably stay longer in the next time

appreciate it for sure man see you later

okay

peace

let me fix this so it just shows you

okay and

i make this right

is there whenever i watch the um

whenever i'm on i always have to like

watch the stream on twitch is there a

way that we can do it from the back end

so i see it not yet but

obs has a feat no restream has a feature

that allows you to do that

but you got to pay for it so uh

yeah we can yeah it's not present at

least we know it's possible you know

yeah right so we'll find a way to do it

but not yet

okay so no don't

but you can't stream it at the same time

hey okay okay yeah no problem

forgotten

all right we're not going to watch the

whole thing but i thought that was

interesting news

um okay so i wanted to point this out

so we're always every if we hear about

the mice that are scurrying on the floor

in russia

if a mice scurries on the floor in

russia we hear about it

if somebody squashes a bug in russia we

hear about it

has anyone heard about this there's a

lot of protests going on

in thailand in bangkok

at the king's palace did anyone hear it

hear about it

not me um is dylan burns talking about

it is uh socialism done left talking

about it

vosh talking about it anyone talking

about it because they love being in

everyone's business so i would think

maybe they would talk about this

i mean uh if navalny farts

in russia voss is on the case you know

bosh smells it

yeah they're always on the case whenever

the smallest thing happens

but no one cares about by the way is

this a uh

is thailand a us a u.s friendly country

let's look it up let's look it up

thailand us relations

yes they have very strong relations

huh well that's interesting for what

reason

do you you know the reason what does it

say on the thing

i don't know nothing about the i don't

know anything about thailand or

his history i just thought it was just

like you know you hear about the small i

never heard about that there was

something going on

you know yeah something major

something that's hitting a little bit

closer to home did you hear about miami

no what so they there's spring break

going on in miami

oh yeah okay look at this guys

i'm jealous i mean this is bad but

i'm sick of being inside all the time

and i i'd love to

it's always miami something about

florida

look at this guys this is fucking crazy

maybe we can find some footage um

i want to look at some footage this is

the aerial view after the cr the police

crack down there's a big curfew

and it's a super spreader event let's

check out some footage if we can

um super spreader miami

spring break 20 let's make it child

friendly

um this is

after the curfew i believe all right

if you come to south beach guys this is

uh one of the most uh

iconic places down in south beach wait

is this after the curfew

then you can take a pic this is after no

this is march 15th

okay picture on it's

the sign and uh

obviously this is what's going on right

now

dude one guys it's uh

definitely i was gonna go to miami the

before coal would hit

go now go now man it's lit over there

yeah guys i'm gonna stop i'm gonna drop

out of law school and stop streaming

fuck you guys i'm gonna have some fun in

my life just streaming every day

and locked up and stuff really

packed for say the least so

we're gonna try to squeeze through here

i do have a mask on

like two different worlds

why is miami look like this miami is

like still 80s

yeah they still got that's old money

yeah yeah it still has that old

i don't know if it's like is this new or

is this the old

i don't know is this the legacy of the

old or is it like they're doing it

purposefully for like

the 80s revival you know oh yeah yeah

i guess i figured that well no i guess

it isn't necessarily

i figured that was dead the 80s revival

well no man listen to like listen to

fucking what's his name uh he just did

the super bowl thing

what's his name who uh

fuck somebody somebody knows what i'm

talking about

the dude he's like he's like ethiopian

he's a pop he's a pop artist the weekend

what is the weekend yes yeah yeah thank

you thank you

yeah no the reason i bring that up he's

still

dwelling in the in there he's whack dude

i figured it was dead but no was the

weekend he's

he's got the 80s on his back dude we're

celebrities now so if we talk shit about

these people

oh wow yeah they'll come for us huh he's

going to come forward let's not we got

to be careful

yeah well no it's just to switch it up

man get with the times that's all we're

saying

now if you want to get a little

perspective of what's going on over here

guys

it looks like a fun time it looks like a

pretty dangerous time

but it looks pretty fun to me

all right guys this is a complete shift

shift of news um

look at this the war in yemen is still

raging

ye i wanted to start years on end the

saudi

government has not made any inroads

they're going to be stuck in yemen

forever

so yemen's they attacked an aramco

refinery last week

friday wow

they're still doing those houthi rebels

in yemen are still

they're still fucking with saudi arabia

like this

years on they haven't made any progress

still going though yeah it's still going

um they want airstrikes by the saudi-led

coalition to end

yeah they had no idea what they were

coming into it seems like

no idea no idea let's watch a video

about it

hanyamunzuti rebels fired messages only

two minutes drones at the heart of saudi

arabia's oil industry on sunday

attacking saudi aramco facility

rasa nuram sunday or friday oh this was

a few weeks ago

okay this is a different one military

target

in saudi cities of dumam asir and jazan

the iran-aligned group's military

spokesperson said that the group fired

14 drones and eight ballistic missiles

across the border

guys f's in the chat for saudi arabia

f's in the chat

this is their vietnam they're gonna be

stuck there forever

it's just sad because like uh bin salman

his whole shtick as like the leader of

saudi arabia was like

this like hitler right we're gonna go

into yemen and we're gonna take over

yemen yeah

and it's years on end it's

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this is a little bit more difficult than

they expected

f's in the chat they always they always

underestimate people

they really think that people you i

think you brought this up the other day

they really think people are out here

just willing to give up

their shit no people are dying they will

die they have no problem

they have a problem with you coming in

and they'll put their life on the line

for that

you know today's an age of vanity you

got a lot of like

one napoleon wannabes they're they they

wanna be strong men like

macron and france is one of them and bin

salman

and uh you know these guys they they're

getting ahead of themselves a little too

much

man really think they're hot shit yeah

and they ins and to an extent they

really are they really have

they really have the weaponry like that

they really do but that doesn't

you can't take for granted i think you

know the spirit that people have and the

willingness you know to fight

they always take that for granted they

think oh just because we have these

machines these mechanical this and that

it's like

like it's a trump card or something like

that no i'm sorry ben

salman is maulding every day

i thought it'd be easy

the saudi energy ministry said an oil

storage yard at rastanura the site of an

oil refinery and the world's biggest

offshore

oil loading facility was attacked with

the drone the ministry said on the

ground in yemen

in marib and thais regions the modis

have recently stepped up cross-border

missile and drone attacks on saudi

arabia

the iranian alliance rebel group is

battling the saudi-led military

coalition

since it intervened in yemen's civil war

in 2015.

many countries including the united

states are trying to use diplomatic

channels to end this conflict

the conflict in yemen is largely seen as

a proxy war between saudi arabia

and iran but the houthis who ousted the

internationally recognized government

from power in the capital

in late 2014 deny being puppets of

tehran and say they are fighting a

corrupt system

and

of i foreign know this until recently

like a few years ago the yemen shia

they're a different sect they're not

twelvers

they're like uh something else

so i don't think they're really puppets

you know it doesn't seem like they're

proxies

per se but yeah the iranian government

is supporting them

but i'm not sure if they're proxies you

know because they're it's a different

are they ismailies no i think it's

something else

it's something very specific to yemen i

think

i forgot what it was

me actually hold on

uh i think it's this one

no that's the wrong thing

zaydi yeah something like yeah zadie

zadie yeah you're right

that's it

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too much arab stuff you're not going to

like this next one i'm just kidding it's

not

it's not it's turkish

i wanted to cover this a little bit

erdogan owl central bankhead installs

interest rate ally i love this word

interest rate ally

i want you guys to understand that

whether it's trump or

others there's a big war raging

and then i think theoretically it's

between mmt

and the neoclassical economics and

erdogan he wants low interest rates

which means

he doesn't want the currency to be too

strong because having a weaker currency

gives you an industrial edge and erdogan

knows erdogan

is a kind of mmt guy and then he's

expelling these neoclassical

people who think that higher interest

rates

is a way to um

is a way to create price stability and

save the economy

you know this is the kind of battle

raging across the globe you know it's

like um

it's the politics of austerity you know

uh yeah

hey correct me if i'm wrong it looks

like he's learning from and siding with

the chinese on this

more or less yeah it's more or less like

this battle between

neoclassical economics and this kind of

new

mmt let's print a lot of money and

invest

and it's really interesting you know

turkey's currency has been fucked for a

long long time

and there's like a really big internal

struggle going on in turkey related to

the lira and related to the um

the pop monetary

when we when we for that period of time

i guess we're still

looking into it less now but when we

started looking into forex

just that in itself trying to understand

that beast

yo that completely opens your eyes or

open my eyes you know what i mean

to the to the vastness and complexity

of this freaking currency you want to

know the most stupid people when it

comes to this

marxist fucking idiot

they don't know anything about currency

currency politics

nothing completely outside total

brainlit

um it's heavy shit though that's some

heavy shit

yeah i don't know if you guys have been

noticing though looks like erdogan

after biden was elected it seems like

we're seeing

a shift in erdogan's politics even

in his geopolitical position or turkey's

geopolitical position

check this out

he was responding to biden's remarks

about putin

m

is it cause of armenia and azerbaijan

no because here's i'm gonna show you

something else

saudi arabia and egypt supported armenia

and maybe that scared him and he's like

okay we're not gonna go that far

but look at this other news

erdogan moves against the muslim

brotherhood in egypt

that is groundbreaking that completely

changes my understanding of the

situation now

um is there a strategic shift going on

the

turkey was always aligned with the

muslim brotherhood

across the middle east is it changing

its position because of azerbaijan and

armenia

i wonder if it is i wonder if it doesn't

want to risk

the arab states favoring armenia

over it and that's why erdogan is

throwing the muslim brotherhood under

the rug but this was shocking news to me

i had no id

no idea what looks like turkey just

wants to stop

this kind of

ankara is signaling to cairo and

jerusalem

that it wants to normalize relations

what the fuck happened a year ago it

seemed like turkey was about to go to

war with israel

it seemed like turkey was the number one

enemy of everybody what the fuck

happened i have no idea it's very

mysterious to me

with that projects such as the east med

pipeline which will likely run in parts

of the eastern mediterranean sea that

turkeys considers its territorial waters

have left it strategically isolated

wants to show el sisi that a series in

his desire to normalize relations

between the countries

dude what do you think what do you think

the likelihood that this shift has to do

with

with the dam with what's going on in the

nile

i don't know it's so mysterious i have

no fucking idea

um i i need to read more

i just don't know why this happened this

completely changed my whole

understanding of the middle east

um maybe this is just a temporary thing

and it's just

it's not gonna work and they're gonna

have to go back to supporting the muslim

brotherhood

and it's just you know he's just trying

to normal i don't know

i have no idea it's it's really weird

you know before by do you remember when

macron and biden were like

sorry macron and erdogan were going at

it

yeah and then like as soon as biden got

elected

erdogan sends the letter apologizing to

macron

what the fuck happened yeah what what

happened

it happened like overnight

jared kushner's been talking with them

about what

you think he's playing 4d chess

i don't know it's really weird

this is something ezra wanted to show

we'll show it on stream

then we're going to get into the party

stuff

anyways declining birth rates are

actually good

yeah but forcing people to exist without

their consent is morally evil

jesus there's a direct line

from liberalism to this okay

direct line it's the same pathology

this obsession with unconditional

absolute

you know ability to premise yeah exactly

it's just

but you know whether you like it or not

this is the logical conclusion of the

same reasoning which holds

that every country which isn't a fucking

western democracy

is a authoritarian dictatorship and it's

like

because you didn't guarantee the cons

it's like it's just as stupid as saying

this

the absence of some kind of airtight

mechanism to ensure

absolute consent in the case of someone

being born

doesn't fucking mean that

you're forcing them and you're taking

away that right

like the absence of rights doesn't mean

that they're deliberately being violated

or being taken or

taken away that's what liberals don't

fucking understand

just because you're not guaranteed

rights doesn't mean

they are being taken away actively

or being violated deliberately and they

don't understand that distinction

yeah yeah yeah i think it goes back like

the

the subtleties of human and social

interaction

like they can't grasp

can't grasp you know hold on let me um

it has to be explicitly written in some

type of doctrine

for it to hold it's not something that

people can just get

intuitively yeah dude it's

it's a fucking joke i'm just

moving this window right here

but um

but anyway

let's get into some party let's talk

about parties guys let's talk about the

third party

so i've been saying that the time is now

for thinking about a third party and we

have some candidate what is this is a

bug bit me or something

whatever now is the time to start

thinking about

damn how do i get rid of this shit this

looks stupid it looks like i got like uh

red cheeks or something what is this

i look like a fucking clown i actually

look like a real clown now

it's a bug bite the fuck that is

anyway we've been talking about a new

party

um where do we begin in america for like

where would that new party be where

would it begin well i've been talking

about movement for people's party

to keep an eye on i just don't know much

about it

we're gonna go over some drama that's

facing movement of the people's party

so some people have signed a petition

making some demands to the party

and they're gonna go over what they

consider to be its problems

let's check it out i'm gonna look at

this with

you guys we're gonna look at it together

okay here's the petition

okay um

so this is who are we okay

who are we um here we go

we are a group of former volunteers

from a movement for people's party as a

result of our unsuccessful attempts to

bring what needed reforms

creation of bylaws

what do they mean by that

bylaws i don't is this is this cool lock

behavior we're looking at so

okay so far my instinct and my cool lock

direct

detector is off the charts right now

okay i have cool lock detector

it may it may go back as i read more and

i may be more understanding but so far

my cool lock detector is off the charts

overly legislative whenever people

demand

transparency and creation of these rules

and shit

it's just my kulak director's off the

charts it just sounds like people

who want to create rules for no reason

and

can't just use their own common sense to

get in line

by the way the reason we can't have

parties in america is because when you

have a party in russia

everyone's united by a common sense

that's transmuted through culture

america has no common culture so

everything has to be fucking legislated

formally you know that's why we can't

have a party in america

but anyway through normal channels

inside mmp we created a petition in late

october 2020 to present

we're going to look at that petition in

the process of negotiating the

particulars of the petition many of the

signatories either resigned or removed

from mmp

having all our access canceled we're

going to look at the petition and see

what's going on

and why there was a petition in the

first place

this sounds like drama i don't care

about

we petitioners still believed in what

movement people party stands for

however because we are not able to

significantly move the needle within mmp

and because we have since been slandered

and gas lit this website has been

created to share with they made a whole

fucking website

over this dumb shit dude we need a third

party in america why don't you have

party discipline

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this is why i don't okay this is why my

kulak detector's off the charts ready

61 of the signers are in the pacific

california

50 are in new england and mid-atlantic

it's a

so what is that 110

they're all coastal elites and there's a

small minority

of the these people

okay i am off the bat

i'm a little skeptical of this okay

um they made a whole website out of

pettiness guys

word of advice if you have drama with a

party

that no one knows about stop don't waste

your time to create an organization just

based on your beef with them

nobody even knows who movement of

people's party is in the first place

no one cares about this byzantine drama

just drop it and move on and i don't

know what happened

we're gonna try to figure out what

happened but

you need to chill and you need to not

make this website

because why did you make this what it

looks stupid it looks like a fucking

ruckus it looks like a circus

you know just build a solid third

party dude and fucking man up

and and stop getting bogged down in this

dumb petty bullshit

she encouraged an unconfirmed

[Laughter]

this is our guy this is our not god i'm

not

misgendering them but this is our person

default they're in our discord

to repo default is not just and

i think they wanted to talk about it but

we'll see hold on

can you please join vc

um

um hold on

uh i'm just a bit confused

because

this is like petty byzantine drama

that's completely a waste of time and

completely pointless

and and i don't know what it's about but

the way they're writing paragraphs about

it just convinces me that

guys you need to suck it up and move on

you know this is not gonna do you any

good dude first you gotta put

mpp on the fucking map

make it devote yourself

self sacrifice for mpp

do not make a whole website

dedicated to bitching about something

that you didn't even let grow from its

cradle you're trying to kill it in its

cradle

don't make a fucking website about it

before it became

becomes anything

at least wait till it gets big then you

can do this

so we can call you kulax

i can't even call you koolocks this is

just stupid

this is so pointless in penn drama

okay let's look at their petition and

then this is the purge

oh my god look at all this drama all

right let's look at it

below is the text of the petition how

long is this petition okay it's not that

long

thank god

to the movement for people's national

coordinator circle

we the undersigned mpp volunteers hereby

request

that mpp leaders give serious

consideration to the below standard

stated concerns and take swift and

effective action

cool lock detector off the charts off

the charts

with your solutions and who are you are

you the majority of the party who are

you to make these demands

and our work as mpp volunteers we have

dedicated many hours to the mission of

the organization

to form a major new political party in

the united states

but you just fucked it up now you just

proved why it's not possible

all right for sure for sure you just

prove no what's that

no i was just i was agreeing with you oh

no i thought you said you have to you

gotta

you'll be right back oh okay okay no

yeah he's they said

we believe in forming a new political

party by making this website you

just admitted it's not possible you just

said it's not possible

you literally you literally already

surrendered you already surrendered

i don't care what the drama is about

either ditch

mpp or

stick with it but don't make this

website and say you're for

a new political party in the united

states like dude you just proved why

they're not possible

this is literally why we can't have a

third party right now

it's the only reason actually it's the

only fucking reason

dumb stupid petty shit like this

okay this is why we don't have a fucking

new political party

don't make this website shitting on the

party

you just prove by going public you

proved why it's not possible

um anyway thoroughly corrupted by pot

and failed to me okay

as individuals we have come to mpp

through different paths we all have a

common

coastal elites we create a better

country in world

look if mpp's a real thing it's not

going to be founded in california in the

coastal elites

if there's a people's party in the u.s

it's going to come from the midwest

or the south something like that it's

not going to come from you close to

elites

otherwise you're larping your larping is

the people's party

if it's all based on coastal elites it's

just a larp

you may as well just make the white

panther party

if you guys know what that is it's the

epitome of coastal elite dumb shit and

it was founded in ann arbor michigan

yeah man damn yeah sad

but anyway not surprising what's so

funny is that ann arbor hasn't changed a

bit

it makes so much sense that the white

panthers started in ann arbor

mpp seemed to offer a space where we

could be listened to and

oh my god this cool locker yeah

yeah dude this is a university this is a

this is a graduate student

organization me and evan know a thing or

two

about this this is a graduate student

organization this is some fake shit

these are just some yeah we know what

thing is

about this cool lockery promises of

progress

with no follow-through and the inability

to effectively address problems okay

let's see what problems

okay transparency is a lack of

transparency in the organization with

regard to leadership

decision making financials and strategy

we do not know what happens in the

next and okay

but what is your problem then is there

is there is there's

a problem that you think they're doing

something that's not allowing the party

to grow

then focus on that problem don't don't

fucking immediately

you know focus on the form focus on the

content of the problem

we do not know how we okay do you care

why do you care we do not know how we

are funded does it matter

where our donated money goes or who

keeps track of the books

so this is a trust issue that's what

blockchain

fanatics are all about the computer is

solving this problem of human

trust that's what these people seem like

they need they don't have any human

trust

and i know it's tough but

look the wisdom of marxist leninist

democratic centralism

is that for all the formal mechanisms in

an ml party

the buck stops somewhere and you just

gotta swallow it and just be like

dude swallow your pride

don't try to formalize everything at a

certain point you're not gonna there are

gonna be things that are not transparent

and not democratic and you just gotta

fucking man up

you know stop being a fucking you know

we do not know what the process is is

used to make decisions

jesus we do not did you're killing it in

its cradle dude

it's like we do not know how the

organization functions at the top

we are not kept privy okay there's

someone here who knows

he's not there anymore never mind i was

gonna bring on i am okay

it is not clear how the eventual party

platform we voted on or how the founding

convention will work at all

maybe they themselves don't know when

they're still working on it

this is a stupid concern to me this is

fucking stupid

default is in show queue no they're not

i am okay was democracy

um democracy volunteers

often feel no sense of agency in the

work they do

here we go with this cool lockery

meaningless

bullshit the volunteer

and membership community is not

consulted on major decisions

if you have a problem with a decision

focus on the content

not the form you know focus on the money

this is such a stupid fucking concern

dude

imagine if the populist 100 years ago

thought this way

dude you know how organizations work is

that the buck stops somewhere eventually

you gotta realize

you can't formalize everything dude you

just can't somebody's gotta make

decisions and you gotta follow the line

okay and it doesn't matter how that

person's uh that person maybe you can

elect them maybe you can do things like

that

but someone's gotta be in power and make

real-time

quick decisions that there's no time to

consult anyone about

and you just gotta fucking get shit done

these fucking people

sound like they want to turn the party

into the fucking us congress

where nobody gets shit done because they

spend all their fucking time

formalizing bullshit instead of actually

getting things done the most

important thing any organization has to

do is

get shit done okay

and the democratic forums are secondary

this the central and democratic

centralism

is way more important than the

democratic part way more important

way more fucking important

they substitute a clear vision

with bureaucracy okay okay we're gonna

bring in two people

associated with mpp okay when they okay

i'm gonna tell them

okay hold on hold on okay default and i

am okay you guys here

yo okay okay we gotta um i just want to

say

um yeah that am i good yeah you're

mike's good i can't hear default though

so hello okay i hear you here okay guys

both of us were involved with the

petition

okay i just want to make this organized

though because i brought two of you so

like

we gotta like do one at a time and um

all that defaults start

hey are you guys watching the stream

right now yes i am okay okay right now

we're

started watching let's let's go one by

one like addressing this

uh because this is the first time i'm

reading their petition so

can you corroborate these claims because

they're making a lot of claims about

the national coordinator circle so i

want to know because i'm

yeah because i'm a neutral party can i

explain this

um okay okay sure you can go ahead

because default is someone they

mentioned on their website so i'm a bit

more of a neutral party but

the thing is is that the mpp

petitioner circle i was they were

controlled by a guy from california

the guy was named i'm not gonna name him

but

because i don't want dachshund but he

was like um ex-military dude

that already gave me shady vibes

and and he was part of the mpp since day

one he was a he was like

in the organization he was like part

like he was like the it could he

controlled the entire west

coast mpp the entire west coast mpp was

under his control

and then he one day invited me and a few

of everyone

in the coast to a meeting saying oh

time to democratize mpp and then he

invited us to a fucking discord server

which is not professional

if you're a fucking professional you use

slack you do not use discord

so the thing is and to be used slack for

mpp but he invited us to a discord

server so that's another fucking alarm

and then thanks to the work of default

here he was able to stop this wrecking

from when i from what i heard and this

was basically wrecking this

was wrecking from because he was trying

to recruit people

to his own organization this was

wrecking

dude there's no other way of fucking

putting it this is

to me just instinctually i'm reading

this shit and it sounds like

literally the time fucking time old

leftist bullshit i don't think this i

actually think this is going to bro as

someone who was part of the petitioner

circle

what this was like i was actually in

their group

the what they call they call themselves

the revolution within group they have a

discord

um i was i was invited i signed the

petition i joined their discord

um what this is what this is what they

are

is essentially a color revolution

within the fucking mpp like i found

people within their fucking put

their discord that were talking about uh

they were that were pushing

conciliationism with the democratic

party

or with elements of the democratic party

dude fuck

with these fuckers like like my twitter

just blew up today because i just found

out that that this was a thing

i started i attacked one of them then

like the next thing i know

i'm getting like attacked by dozens of

people including like bread tube

like rad lip types who had nothing to do

with any of this fucking shit

like my twitter gets blown up like the

fucking notifications

they're retweeting each other like crazy

okay okay listen

i'm fucking up man i can't confirm or

deny nothing but

that sounds super spooky that they're

like suddenly these breadth

people aren't like how far does this

fucking go

yeah yeah i think this is actually i

actually think this as someone who's

involved with this

and i can confirm because i'm on there

i'm on the current slack and i was on

there before i've been

since day one and people in the mpp can

confirm this

i was in the petitioner's circle until

and i and petitioner circle actually

made me less active in mpp because of

the fact

that i had no faith in mpp because of

the position yes sir yes that's

that's exactly what they were doing like

the mpp like literally

while i was in the petitioners uh the rw

discord

there were like signs where the mpp was

trying to like make conciliate uh

conciliatory gestures towards the

petitioner's group

and like like they actually came up with

a fucking constitution but then like

everybody

like all the leadership of the rw

discord like the mods

the people that would that were like had

special roles they

all dismissed it out of hand and like

this

this is what really gets me like okay

like i can understand you you're you're

you've tried like negotiating with with

the uh with the cc with the leadership

of the mpp

fine but then it turns out before i

joined the rw rw discord

the entire group had taken a vote as to

like where they should go

following a a particularly like uh slow

or or unsuccessful negotiation with the

cc

and the group the rw group basically

voted

to abandon the mpp declared voted

voted that reform reforming the mpp was

impossible

right and they basically voted to form a

splinter group

a breakaway group called the way forward

that that they would fought that they

would build on

on uh gilded i never even fucking heard

of it and

nobody fucking uses gilded i'm sorry

gildan

only people who use gilded are fucking

neo-nazis that's literally

please guilted it dude and and get get

this the people

these people like so like the people

that voted to leave the leave the uh

reform movement or form this breakaway

group they still had voting power

uh within the rw discord and they also

occupied a moderation position

they offer they occupied leadership

positions within the rw discord

yet during all that they they would

still masquerade and present themselves

to the mpp base as a reform movement

even though they believed that reform

was impossible dude that is

that is so fucked dude they've nothing

disgusts me more

than people who try to just kill shit in

its fucking cradle

this mpp wasn't even allowed to get

anywhere before these fucking parasites

came and shit it all

up it's fucking incredible because if

you know the history of come and tell

pro you would know

that they usually try to kill things in

their womb before it becomes a problem

dude the only thing the only but you

know

there has to be a way because there's

going to be more of that shit for mpp

and the mpp this is like the least of

their concerns right now yeah okay

that's good that's so good

i just i just joined back on the mvp

slack they had like i was

the last time i was on there i was in

january they had more than a thousand

members in january

now they have only 800. actually fucking

killing them right now

okay but no but in my i'm part of the

california

specific because i'm in california i'm

part of the specific california people's

party

and thankfully we have a really great

organizer now in the who runs the bay

area

and now we're in the state of california

we're actually an official party now

so we've been doing great in california

maybe not another area but we've

actually been able to recover in

california

you know um they're you know

this um the thing that i think is so

important

just like i'm a sideliner so my my words

are not

weight like worth that much but just

like as a sideliner you know just like

as some guy

i think the mpp a lot of it you have to

think about

what kind of message is it who what kind

of people

must it attract and i feel like

whether they're feds or not those type

of pmc

type people literally it's in their

instinct to shit things up like this

be babies cause drama and demand over

formalization of everything and it's

just you know what

these people said to me so like when i

exposed these people

uh in the mpp slack right one of their

one of their

one of their like leaders um like there

was this whole thing with with like a

with a working class a petitioner who

was part of the mpp but also part of the

uh

part of the part of the rw discord who

had like

like he has some reactionary like

behaviors

and you know like and essentially what

this what this particular

uh rw leader told me was that

he would he would try to get

working-class people fired from their

jobs

for having reactionary attitude and this

is and

he's right like he's in a party called

the fucking people's party

this is a party do you know that the

people's party mission

literally is in opposition to everything

he was doing

yeah also he was a fucking ex-military

jerry perez was an ex-fucking military

guy

well i'm talking about steve coleman no

jay perez was the guy who i

was working with well let's not get

bogged down in the weeds let's kind of

keep our eye on the money okay but i

think that the mpp i

actually think that by paying attention

to this we're actually letting them win

and in my opinion i disagree

because the mpp will grow regardless of

this and

the thing is is that if the mpp

can make a lasting impact by like if

nina turner

wins her senate seat and then switches

to the people's party none of this will

matter

yeah you're right maybe you're right but

right now like i thought this would die

away like i thought this would even be

an issue

but like i come back like two months

later and these people are very well

coordinated

they know how to network they're like

reaching out to all the smaller like uh

like sort of they're trying to cancel

decent shows

they're basically trying to cancel just

so we have the balance

i am okay do you think that

this messaging this petition of theirs

is this actually convincing people and

like people are reading this like wow

they're right you know i agree with this

uh

i think that in a way they're sure as

someone who's been a volunteer for them

there are problems

but the thing is is that they're over to

anyone who's volunteered for mpp

you would know that a lot of these

problems quote unquote are necessary for

the functioning of the organization

and that by removing these problems you

create more problems if that makes any

sense

yeah yeah yeah no no i mean definitely

um you know like

i exactly i i just plainly this is my

this is my fear i'm gonna tell you what

i'm scared of as a sideliner someone

whose voice doesn't matter that much

but this is my fear okay

i saw how bernie's campaign started to

hear about all these demands and shit

and he just

he just fucking submitted to everything

right folding to the academic people's

party actually formed

because of the fact that they didn't

want to submit that well

this is the thing is that i think the

biggest threat from where i'm standing

to people's party internal threat

is these specific types of people who

are gonna come and make a fuss and do

their fake cultural revolution you know

like this fake red guard shit where all

these like

woke not just woke people but all these

like pmc people band together and they

start making demands and sloganeering

within

and creating these like sub organization

like

parasitical types of things that

wrecking and shit

and it's like the leadership

has a there's always a threat that

leadership is like wow this must

represent the masses we have to

pay attention to this but actually it's

only a tiny loud minority from a grand

scheme of themes

and by listening to them you're you're

shooting yourself in the foot when it

comes to winning masses because let me

tell you someone who's in the midwest

right now

if you listen to these people you will

not gain you will not

you will not go anywhere in the midwest

you will gain

you're gonna appease these students and

these like people demanding all this

democracy and formalization

and this color revolution bullshit and

it's gonna make you

weak as fuck and very fragile and

brittle

when it comes to winning people in the

midwest you know that's actually why

that's actually what i'm sorry i'll let

you speak and then i have to say

something

yeah i'm just i'll just be really quick

like take a wild guess what these

people's position like these

these are the art what the rw leadership

position on jimmy dore is like take a

walk

i know i already know i already know

everything

i already know all their politics i know

who these people are i know what they're

about and i could

i could i could deduce that just by

gleaming this fucking website i know

what type of people they are

you know yeah another another one of

these like leader figures like lisa

pfeiffer

on twitter like she also is ex-military

a former veteran or i guess she's like a

veteran

if they're all ex-military holy shit i

only thought one of these people is

ex-military

lisa pfeiffer is also she puts it on her

twitter profile

look at this look at this so this would

disgust me i'm going to read this

it leaves many of us feeling that we

have been misled and our efforts have

been hijacked by an organization

that is not what it says it is oh boohoo

instead we often feel that

mpp is veering dangerously close to the

kind of elitism that has corrupted the

other parties

okay dude your number one goal

is to make mpp on the map make it big

and make it strong

and you're preemptively trying to

fucking cuck

this party by this fear that oh we're

gonna become no better than the

democrats pray get on your knees and

pray

pray you'll have a fraction of what the

democrats have that's the that would be

the most revolutionary

biggest achievement most unprecedented

thing in america right now

is if a real fucking third party got

anywhere the mpp

yeah i want to say one thing the party

itself it's it's a move it's the

movement to found the party the pilot

the party will be founded like this

summer that's when the party will be

found

and god help by the way movement god

help

god help the people who are involved

with trying to found that party and god

help the leaders of that party because

that's where shit is gonna be hard

that's where like

dude well look if it's gonna happen this

summer that process

of drafting that making that new party

that's where you gotta be careful

because this is where they're gonna try

to fucking cock you

and fucking shit it all up and fuck the

whole thing up

like the one thing i gotta say is that

the whole

this if this petition which they won't

win because they're now out of the party

but if the and they actually went on a

fucking red tube podcast to explain

like their position but the mpp was not

given any air time

on the bread tube on any breadth podcast

but the thing is

is that if if these guys hypothetically

won

they would end up being the same fucking

people as the green party

the green party and i respect some

people in the green party i

don't mean to diss them but the reason

why the mpp is separate from the green

party

is because the green party is focused on

the

coastal people yeah not on the fucking

and the green party's been around for

how long and where have they been around

1996 yeah and howie hawkins who once

founded it

is like he wasn't even that active with

it for a while because

and i respect howie i respect jill stein

in fact jill stein is what got me into

this whole thing

but the thing is is that jill stein and

howie hawk and even howie hawkins

kind of appealed to a more coastal type

people the people's party is

the people's party in their own platform

states that we must

appeal to the working class let me let

me tell you something though

some other word of advice that as

someone from the midwest

and like listen focusing on the

environmental angle and making that

one of the central things is gonna fall

it's gonna fuck you

it's gonna fuck not you like it's not

gonna work it's gonna fuck

everything up yeah i get that you need

to have a strong policy written

somewhere about addressing climate

change

but if you get in on the greta thunder

religion and like

obsess over it and that's like your main

thrust of how you justify your existence

you will not get anywhere i know that

right there is a

there's a very much a coastal sentiment

that has no bearing on us

i mean new people here and there and

there have been other crazy things

i've actually wanted to bring up in in

in this sphere of politics

for example did you see the recent dsa

international committee statement which

i'm also on their international

committee

can you link here so we can show it on

stream okay so i

i linked it in your fucking like come on

stream chat okay you're gonna

you're gonna fucking love it okay okay

let's read it on stream

um come on stream come on show requests

okay i should click the tweet yeah click

the tweet yeah

and put it on screen for everyone to see

because you will see that the dsa

international committee at the very

least

has actually become more based over time

this is the international committee

yeah this is their international

committee actually let's just turf on it

let's check it out

democratic socials of america's

international committee

condemns into the strongest terms the

cenophobia and the push for a cold war

with the people's republic of china

that have been oh wow so they're

actually making the connection

yeah they're actually like seriously

they are actually

trying to make a connection with people

in the united states like

and i know the people who have written

this statement and i i'm not going to

name any of them because

i don't want to yeah i understand like

like i know the people

who've written the statement i've worked

on the international department

and the thing is is that this is

actually one of their best statements

they've ever put out

they also put out if you check their

other statements just click on

statements for a second

like you will see a bunch of other good

stuff like us hands off venezuela u.s

hands off this or that

like they actually take a reasonable

anti-imperialist position if the

international committee was the entire

organization

dsa would actually be a real party by

now i see

that's interesting it's interesting that

when you focus when you have an

international

approach you become like

better politically overall yeah yeah

yeah

yeah and the thing is it's in solidarity

with the farmers of india

they talk about lula in brazil they talk

about venezuela

they talk about putting people's lives

before profits all this other stuff

they actually care about also they

actually care about the international

committee

the thing is is that the international

committee the only problem with the

international committee

is that everything that's posted there

must be approved

except for statements must be approved

like connections that they actually make

and even some statements and tweets

every tweet must be approved by the

national committee so i'm surprised that

they're actually

getting this shit approved by the

national yeah i mean it's it's not

enough

if you've seen the national conventions

you've seen in that 2019 national

convention

personal point of privilege like you've

seen that shit yeah i saw that

yeah like like and if those same people

are the same people who are proving this

type of stuff

then i actually am pleasantly surprised

and i automatically think

that if you're an ml don't waste your

time

with these small vanguard sects actually

bsa may be worth engaging with so

i i i this is this is really cool

the international committee thing but

it's not enough for me to

get over my i don't listen i'm not one

of those mls who's like oh i hate the

dsa because they're not

you know yeah enough yeah but dsa has

issues

but there are these things called

caucuses that are trying to change

yeah but i just i just think the word

democratic socialism is bad optics

you know yeah it's hard you've had

yeah that's what i would say i would i

would i could endorse the people's party

way before i could do dsa

because to me people's party is like oh

name alone

it's it's not it's a lot more ambiguous

and another thing the other problem is

that

in america the word socialism still

doesn't make sense to the actual masses

you know yeah and people's party is is

actually something that can make sense

you know

really yeah and there's also and i

actually think

that unironically we should be working i

and part of the other reason i wanted to

come on this show was to talk about

strategy

yeah burning question of today i think

that

our strategy should be to work with

independent political organizations

ipos independent political organizations

that are in the big tent of

the democratic party or are outside the

democratic party whichever one

but like within the broad progressive

movement not progressive in like the

wilkes gold sense but progressive and

like the broad bernie and

and in in like the populist sense like

a populist movement work within

independent political organizations

don't waste your time with these fucking

self-proclaimed vanguards oh yeah

that's a given get to the fucking masses

and

actually talk about these independent

political organizations

oh and ironically the progressive

democrats of america

are actually better than the dsa in some

ways despite being i don't doubt it i

don't doubt it

i i don't doubt it i mean so if you're

part so the program and the progressive

democrats of america doesn't even have

dues

so if you want to participate with them

they are a good

they're a good alternative to the dsa

because they actually held some good

positions

um but these people are trying to even

get on to jimmy dore and like

we tried i saw them trying to like uh i

hear that like these these uh these rw

people

they're they they've been invited on to

justin jackson's show

and justin jackson is like basically

like a stone's throw away from getting

on jimmy dore

you know so yeah i mean um

yeah i just i think this

it's such a it's such a fucking problem

because

the problem is leftists the type of

person who's attracted to leftism

unfortunately yeah they're they're they

tend to be the wrong kinds of people you

know

yeah it's like it's like it's like there

is the

cointelpro shit that's a real thing but

here's another thing

the thing that gets a lot of people into

leftism they take it too far they become

ultra leftist and that's the source of a

lot of wrecking behavior

is ultra leftism where like people just

extend the original logic behind their

leftism

and they turn it against parties that

haven't even fucking become

big to rebel against in the first place

but they do it anyway

yeah one of the actually i have a lot

like and i actually think that

unironically the organizations that are

the ml organizations like liberation

road or c or pc usa or cpu usa or

whatever

are unironically better than like your

average fucking maoist or trotskyist or

whatever sect

yeah because those organizations are

considered righteous by those people

but they're the people they're one of

the few marxist limits organizations

actually getting shit done

i personally work with one called

liberation road you can search that up

which is which they have a complicated

history but liberation road

work is one that actually places the

oppressed nationality of this country

and they actually have a real analysis

of the oppressed nationalities of the

country

and they place them at the forefront of

the movement and that's one of the

that's one of their unique like theories

so they do they do a good analysis on

nations

and then

is that they actually try to update mass

line for the 21st century

so that's the other thing i like about

them

i mean we also have to really take

seriously the work of the work of online

online politics yeah i mean um

i'm looking over the i wanted to also

check out the cpusa's program and read

it for the first time

on the stream and then and i also

recommend you check out

the liberation roads program just to

compare it

well i i'm never i'm never a guy who

gets bogged down in ideological weeds

i'm a guy who focuses on success

and you know

critiquing people because they're like

oh they're not you know focusing enough

about

it's like it's about power it's about

winning power you know

any the only reason i'm a marxist is

because i think marxism is useful

for people to build alternatives to the

status quo

but it's not about principles to me

yeah and well and

the thing is is that one of the

strategies of the cpusa

that you may that that you may or may

not disagree with

because you did scroll over earlier was

defeating the extreme right that's one

of their main focus

my big stick with the cpusa is their

world war two

their popular front misunderstanding of

the popular front

yes and that's actually a problem i have

a lot

like most but still i would rather have

a popular front than no front at all

but it's not there's no popular front

because

it's just trailing the democrats yeah

because they are

and that's the problem we need to we

need to we don't i think that

this the correct strategy is not tailing

the democrats

but working with people who identify as

democrats in

independent political organizations

that's quite strong

i don't know i think a third party

really means a third party

and it means drawing in a lot of

republic but we need i think that one

thing i've been taught

there's a friend i know named carl

davidson who is formerly the chair of

the sds

if you know their history yeah and he

he he told me his political history

about how he went down like

a rabbit hole he he ended up defending

pol pot once you can find out on the

internet

of him defending pol pot but he once

but one day he realized that all these

ultra leftist sects

did nothing like they did absolutely

nothing in that

we he was bogged down in internal

leftist politics but that he wasn't

reaching out to the masses

so what did he do he left all the ultra

he stopped making ultra leftist

organizations he disbanded the ones that

he was a part of

and then he worked within the cp usa and

eventually formed a splinter of

it called committee's correspondence for

democracy and socialism

yeah i mean i just focus on cpusa

because i i'm a simplistic guy you know

yeah there are simple there's a meme

there's a meme about socialism in

america and democratic souls

and i say why don't we bring back

communism with a capital c

yes of course that's pretty much like

the linchpin of everything it's not

you know but the reason i bring that up

is because

i think that the sorry

i think that the cp the that's

one of the main points is that we need

to

work within the broader progressive

movement and eventually

he is one thing he talks about is

instead of building a third party

we need to build a first party aka

instead of yeah no i agree a new center

a new se

but here's my issue it's a very

practical issue the problem is that

democr

progressives and leftists themselves

it's in it's not

in their class interest they don't know

how to be class

traders and the old revolutionary

intelligentsia

let me tell you something about the old

revolutionary intelligentsia like in

russia

these were people who used to get who

used to were transformed by literature

they would read revolutionary literature

fiction books

things like that and it would transform

their lives and they would become

class traitors but yeah nobody's a class

trader anymore

everybody always says oh i am the

working class i'm a google engineer

and that's the type of people you're

getting here and they're it's not in

their class interest and i just i'm not

convinced that you can win over

people who are already calling

themselves leftists and

mass i feel like the people who who are

going to be the raw material

of fighters are going to be apolitical

people

and they're going to be rightists

they're going to be former right-wingers

trump supporters

and some of them might be you know might

be part of the left

but the new the future of the left i

don't see it in the existing left

of course and that's in one of caleb

slogans one caleb

slogans is out of the movement into the

masses and i full heartedly agree

endorse and agree with that

yeah yep totally

yeah it's like the number one issue is

just like it's just leftists themselves

it's like

every time me and evan have a history

here

not a huge one but like a minor history

every time i'm with i'm among leftists

in person

and i was like you know dealing with

them i had to repress

so much because i was cringing so

fucking much

just cringing so hard inside because i

knew deep in my heart

dude these people will never reach the

masses they'll never fucking reach the

masses they don't fucking completely

different

people like like trust kissed anarchists

they're all the same thing to me

they just don't know how to talk to

people like can these people

do they know how to talk to normal

people do they know how to talk to trump

supporters

i don't i don't think they can they

can't even talk to a bernie supporter

let alone

yeah they don't know how to talk to

people i mean like and bernie supporters

should be the easiest people to win over

i've won over many of them

but i and trump supporters i've even won

over

but the thing is is that you don't win

them over by screaming at them about how

stalin did nothing wrong or a trotsky no

i know that i know that

trust me me and evan look look me and

evan were never like that dude

we never got bogged down in ideological

weeds it was always

that's why for and that's why despite my

differences i do appreciate your work

because you're one of the few mls that's

not dogmatic and i'm not going to call

out the ones who are i'm not niching

name

yeah yeah but i think that there are

lots of people in this community

who are overly bogged down with

dogmatism yeah it's like we have

theoretical positions but

we don't confuse those with being

practical ones you know

so we were not the type to be like but

at the same time the sword goes both

ways like

does an organization need to praise

stalin probably not

but does it need to condemn stalin no it

doesn't it should just focus on

yeah you know it just it's just focus on

its

concrete situation about knowing the

past but not living in it too many

people trying to live in the past and

try and substitute that knowledge for

an organization in my opinion should be

focused

on an organization i am okay you're

you're robotic like you're six

you're eight bidding again yeah sorry my

mic does this just let me

disconnect and reconnect yeah like so

many

so many ml orgs so many mls today they

they they have the abstract you know

negative principles in their in their

mind

they understand those but they don't

they don't do the hard work

of of applying those those abstract

negations

to concrete reality and coming up with

like a positive

concrete plan because that would

actually require more than just

reading you know the the marxist canon

that would actually require

understanding the concrete reality well

listen people don't do that

here's what mls don't get is that this

whole marxism thing

isn't about creating some like uh

religion or principles

marxism is actually a guide

to win state power that's what it is

it's a guide to win

it's it's a guide to it's a guide to not

only win

states power but when you win that power

to know what to do

what to do yeah you ever heard the

phrase marxism as a science or whatever

that's exactly what they mean by that

that's what they mean

yeah like marks are i don't know those

marks or angles but one of the two

literally criticized people who who

would just substitute

an a concrete detailed knowledge of

history for just learning like

historical materials like for example

a marxist doesn't say bernie you need to

become a marxist and therefore

change your principles a marxist would

say bernie

you're clinging on to too much dogmatic

principles and you need to read maxism

because marxism what's gonna teach you

how to win

because the problem is that people

become too bogged down in like the

dogmatic principle of marxism and they

miss the point

there are no there are no axiomatic

principles

of marxism there's none that's what

people don't get there are no

axiomatic principles like i think and

that's why like

and that's why a lot of maoists have

called liberation road and myself

revisionist because we try to up

i try to apply mass lines to the 21st

century

and a lot of these people are i call

them gonzalo they're larpers

here's the thing here's the thing ex let

me give you an example of racism and

sexism

marxists don't say we have some special

principle that makes us anti-racist

marxists say we reject

the prejudice that is racism

because it has nothing to stand on and

same with sexism we reject

the ways in which women are actively

uh oppressed and kept down it doesn't it

doesn't introduce some new principle

you reject the principles that exist

that

that are racist and sexist you know

yes and you become free from them so you

could

and once you become free from those by

the way that doesn't mean you're

establishing

some kind of you're making anything

positive you're just being free from

the prejudices and then you have to do

work

it opens up yeah it opens up the ability

to have

interracial or international dialogue

and it opens up the ability

for the relations between genders to

start changing and you know

just just just being you know it's just

the way to open that up it's not fucking

like

prescribing some axiom it's not even

saying the axiom of equality it's not

you know it's people don't get this i

just want to say one thing

we learned from many revolutionaries and

idolize none that should be our

statement as marxists

yeah i mean um but anyway you know

i just wanted to say that uh

a lot of times people will be like oh

you're way too

people accuse me of beef being both two

leftist and two rightist

and that's how i know i'm in the center

because like i don't critique dsa

from the left in a way i critique them

from the right

i say like dude your aesthetics too

extreme your your

democratic souls is a stupid word you're

just whitewashing but on the other hand

capitals on the other hand i say we need

capital c

communism now why do i say that i say

because when you call yourself a

democratic socialist

you're not owning up to what you're

actually trying to say be a capital c

communist and give new meaning to that

word you know

yeah because marxism londonism i heard

this one point a while ago that

marxism leninism is the true center yeah

exactly it is that and that's exactly

what it was in russia too in the soviet

union as well

stalin was the center he was between

bukharin

and trotsky two extremes yeah and

bakarin was the capitalist trotsky was

ultra leftist

yeah and lenin was the same but lenin

was also a centrist lenin was in between

the ultra leftists and he was the

writers and he reflects in all of his

writings too even philosophically in

imperial criticism

he's against the the um anti-contin

rightists

and the super kantian the same two sides

of the same coin

you know so

i think this is my problem this is my

critique of cpusa

layman's critique they just adopt the

democratic party's

talking points rhetoric ideology and

platform

but give it a communist theme

and there's a wisdom to why they do it

they do it because the democratic

party's

platform is tried and tested and real

and it's you know there's power backed

by so the cp usa goes

instead of creating some bullshit from

scratch like all these other sexu

let's look at actual reality and let's

try to stay grounded in reality

but the cpusa i'm going to critique them

from the right now i'm going to say

cpusa

you don't understand that the democrats

are too extreme

in a sense they are too much airy fairy

they're not grounded enough in reality

so by just by copying them you're being

too much an ultra leftist

yeah and most workers don't even like

the democrats that's what i mean that's

exactly what i mean

the the the dichotomy oh we have to be

more extreme left is no no that's not my

point

my point is we have to be grounded in

reality means we cannot take for granted

the status quo are you are you familiar

at all with like

mexico and how like and and almo and

and yeah we have a member we have a

member

who's uh yeah yeah yeah if you're

familiar with that you know that

they won not by calling themselves

socialist yeah sure they had former

communist former social assaulters sort

of stuff but they never called

themselves socialists or communists

but they still held on to like a basic

left-wing populist principle they called

them

they basically framed themselves to be

like the mexican version

let me tell you something people okay do

we have a lot of so-called maoists in

the u.s

but they don't learn from fucking mao

what his contribution to marxism

let me tell you why though because this

is what mao teaches us with the division

between primary and secondary

contradictions this is what mao teaches

us

a the platform of political power is

actually something separate from the

site of proletarian class struggle

you know what i mean by that which means

this amlo

is a broad tent populist party right

maureen is what it's called but yeah mor

sorry i'm stupid moreno

yeah amlo's leader morena is a broad

tent populist party

and centered around the figure amlo that

is just your political platform that's

the left-wing political platform

the site of the proletarian class

struggle is within there

so what's the analogy in mao's case in

mao's case it's the war against japan

your platform is the anti-imperialist

struggle the specific

proletarian struggle is within that

but that's not the same you you you have

to have

an understanding that there's both a

primary and a secondary contradiction

you're not just waging the proletarian

class struggle from the void

you have to take the correct position

you have to side with the

patriotic bourgeoisie in a sense

you know what that means

um is the example of the bolsheviks

right yeah

winning massive popularity by through

their slogan of peace land and bread

also another

and the lining and lennon's insight that

we must align

not with the big city liberal

bourgeoisie and not with some pure

proletariat

which is no such thing we must align

with the democratic petite bourgeoisie

in the countryside

in other words we have to create a

platform within which class struggle can

be allowed to

be waged in modern china is there a

class struggle yes but it's

this class struggle is waged in a subtle

way

between the cracks not directly

like there's two fucking aspects of

class struggle

there's the direct class struggle which

is actually never direct but always

subtle

and then there's this secondary

contradiction between

establishments and people's parties and

or anti-imperialist parties same thing

and that one is subjective and one is

objective

yeah where would the site of like what

would be

today's you know peace land and bread

side of struggle

in in the united states we ourselves are

trying to figure that out but here are

some leads

we're looking at because there's

theoretical ways to think about this

okay the direct one is

land is housing we don't i'm not don't

don't don't quote me but this is lee

these are leads they're hunches and

suspicions

we can think of land as housing the

housing crisis in america

so some type of housing reform real

estate reform for tenants and people

something like that because there is a

real estate crisis and there's a housing

crisis

in america especially for the younger

generation

then there's this thing of ubi

now that's really complicated for me to

explain why ubi is similar to land

but it is um basic income it is it's

it's similar to what land is because

land is some kind of guarantee for

having an economic ground and ubi's the

same thing

but it's more complicated there's that

um then yeah the healthcare there's

healthcare

then there so you we end up realizing

yeah there's education we end up

realizing there's a ton of things

there's a ton of different things so

what now we have to realize is

how do we find the center that coheres

all of this multifaceted aspects of land

reform now let me

tell you what the iranian revolution can

teach us the shah

of iran attempted a direct land reform

where he gave people land

and khomeini

it seemed like he was reaction and we

said no we're not gonna we we reject

this right

and the iranian revolution there was no

demand for land reform that

was its basis so what was going on after

the iranian revolution i know there was

a lot of bad shit that happened they

imprisoned leftists they killed

communists but still you have to pay

attention to this

after the iranian revolution elements

within the iranian government

were starting to have a debate about

land reform after they took power let's

let's give people land and then there

wasn't a specific exact land reform but

afterwards the iranian government

started engaging in intensive

and specific multi-faceted ways of

supporting the iranian people opening up

opportunities giving out business loans

and master

it's all this multi-faceted multifaceted

ways in which the government in iran was

now closer connected to the people

and that was the land reform the land

reform wasn't a direct

giving out land it was it was i'm going

to sound ridiculous if i put it this way

but

it was it was something that happened

during the

during the revolution that was at this

kind of common abstract

almost ideological common sight or

spiritual religious common sight

that now interpolated all of the iranian

people on a newfound basis and opened up

the ability for the government

to cohere all of the multifaceted

aspects that are the equivalent of a

modern land reform

because you think about it there's not

one thing that's land reform

it's a bunch of things so the actual

site

of really a like an actual land reform

it seems to me it's like it's almost

it's almost like ideological now you

know i don't fucking

it's like you need psychoanalysis or

something i kind of sound ridiculous now

but

yes but is it what would that

because land reform land reform is very

psychological because it's about trust

and it's not just psychological it's

yeah it's not just psychological what i

mean is

like it's about giving people

the actual basis of the economic ground

of the means of production and

trusting them with that and it's a basis

of mutual trust

and that's that game of mutual trust is

also happening

in iranian revolution um

because when everyone has access to the

common source code of the whole state

which is the religion

but i i you know we're going to get into

like french philosophy bullshit at this

point

you know talking about the symbolic

order but

i just want to like illustrate how

complex this simple question of like

what is our land reform today

well it doesn't seem like anything could

happen without without you know like

people's party and one of the biggest

obstacles is like you talk with

like i i've also spoken with a lot of

like bernie sanders supporters and they

they're just so taken in with the whole

lesser evil stuff

here's sorry let me say one more thing

here's something i learned

this is something we all learned from

the soviet uh collectivization

there's no such thing anymore as just

blank check land reform where you just

give people land

and that's all because having land also

entails in our kind of socialistic era

having a having a relation to the

apparatus that's supporting the land the

tractor stations

without the tractor stations land is

useless and

tractor stations is a way governments

states

interface with the independent

quote-unquote independent proprietors

and support them that's why today

le you can't have like a classical

liberal land reform that's just gonna

give people property

blank check you you have to give people

something

but that something also has to be a

guarantee of certain

you know medicare and loans and

education

and fucking um universal income you know

all these kinds of intensive

you have to win these reforms in order

to win people over you know

well you have to tap into the the heart

of what unites

all of those things and right now with

when it comes to left-wing politics in

america

the the thing this is the this is our

problem i'm going to tell you my problem

exact fucking problem right now in

america

we have a lot of so-called struggles in

the democratic party right

medicare for all is one and then but

they also include a bunch of cultural

stuff lgbt

racial stuff and the democrats say this

is intersectional it's all

it's all on the same level that's the

fucking problem in america is that

you need a marxist analysis to show you

that these are not

on the same fucking level one of them is

cultural

and the other one is about this whole

land reform thing and the

when it comes to the land reform thing

medicare for all

you we need a new center that unites all

of the

central transformative land reform

economic demands

that actually coheres what ubi

housing reform medicare for all edu what

what unites all of that together what is

the platform that unites all of that

together

because right now the american left what

unites it all together is

subjective morality personal feelings

um university education bullshit source

coded

and uh being a good person you know it's

fucking stupid you know we need a new

center

that can cohere and to me big c

communism

it's not the best one that we're going

to have in america

but for me that's a stand-in for that

big c communism

is our center my fantastical imaginary

one

it is capital c communism it's the

fucking thing that unites all these

things together

that's what communism in america means

this is why i believe that

what we should do is this we should we

found the left in a way

in a way that like the left is kind of

dead in america i consider the left to

be a dead in america

not a thing it's fucking rotting man

it's a rotted running course

but if we but it's a zombie in a way

because it can

be revived and but we need to revive it

with new ideas

new theory new all these sort of things

you need to revive the left

but not the old not the left that got us

here in the first place

but we need to revive but we need to

make not a new left in like the fucking

herbert marcus 1960s theft but a modern

left let's just call it that a modern

fight

well that's why the reason we focus on

china and russia

isn't because we're like those other mls

who substitute having a good

domestic politics with dick riding off

of others we genuinely think

we have to learn from china like we have

to fucking learn from them

because look i just mentioned land

reform the land reform in china right

now is

xi jinping's housing reform where he's

giving people ownership over single unit

apartments

yeah with this poverty alleviation

program we have to learn

from china and also russia we have to

learn from these countries

to build an effective political

alternative because as you can see

by how i've been covering the news

anti-establishment politics in the

united states is directly tied

to these civilizations and what the way

that they overcome liberalism

yeah there are actually other countries

in other countries there are actually

other countries and

other socialist examples of countries

that have basically

overcome the question of nation and

nationality and other stuff and the

natural question

they one of the ways that socialist

countries have typically done that is

through like the

autonomous zone or ssrs or whatever and

i feel like that the social so it's not

just like the land reformer

yeah yeah it's other things too it's

also the the national

question in america and the national

question

is so fundamental to lenin's

idea of imperialism and lenin's idea

of of how the world works so i think

that if we said in a so in a socialist

america

i think that anyone who i think that we

need

to believe we need to give the chicano

people we need to give

the the new african population like the

other population

the other oppressed populations we need

to give them

we need to give them say in how give

them say in their own communities that's

true yeah

yeah i'm 100 with you 100 with you

and yeah the thing is is that

i think that there is one thing

that a lot of people forget you cut out

there's too extreme yeah there's one

thing a lot of people forget and it says

there's two extremes to this

anti-impulse thing

there is the intersectionalist which

we've obviously talked about

but then there's like the fucking like

anti-nation and

you've like you know how bosh once

debated this one like

black this one black person about how he

should have a nation or whatever or how

he shouldn't have autonomy because

nationalism

dude you're talking to the guys who get

accused of being nas bulls all the time

yeah

yeah but like like it's the two fucking

extremes the

extreme anti-it pull like vosh any but

also but he's also at the same time

extreme intersectionality

yeah yeah like he's both at the same

time

and there are people who are one at the

same time but vash is an example

someone's both

let me let me okay let me go on record

for something in america right now

the number one ideological enemy of

marxism is intersectionality

the number one ideological enemy of

american left

is intersectional ideal ideology

i i couldn't agree more

i mean the whole marxism is literally

useful

material is dialectic dialectic thinking

is literally useful

to allow us to overcome this garbage

intersectionality

like intersectionality the one like

not only there's many problems with

intersectionality besides the obvious

shit like

from it from a hegel or a marxist

perspective from a philosophical

analysis

these things don't just like like how

interest like they talk about how these

things intersect or whatever

it is the ideology of technocrats pmcs

academics and social characters i've

heard like fucking mike bloomberg

supporters talk about fucking

intersectionality yeah like it's people

who want to do busy work

micromanaging every fucking aspect of

our lives

you read a stream on this are you on

this earlier in the stream i saw you

read an article about like

intersectional imperialism or whatnot

yeah and like intersectional imperialism

is a term i love to use to these fucking

like

oh yes queen more drone strikes on syria

like like like i work with fucking

democrats and republicans

but that doesn't mean i'm not critical

of their fucking parties just make that

one thing clear

i'm not really i am fucking critical of

both parties

that's why we want a people's party yeah

dude

and it's so important that the people's

party is centrist

in a way centrist from below in this

just in a strict sense that it's not

just going to be

to the left of the democrats it's also

going to be a new center

yeah that people will clearly be able to

identify

as something different you know

establish a new point of reference

yeah yeah but to the left in the sense

that it's like not neoliberal

oh yeah objectively it will be to the

left 100 percent but

not the current rebuilding the center

yeah yeah it's not going to be the

current

what's currently associated with the

left is what i'm trying to say

you know yeah like like the thing is is

that i just saw a comment saying

slavery was woke like like if these

people existed back then they'd be

trying to find a way to like make

slavery

they literally did dude in the south

they did

that's how they justify it was moral

terms that basically like

oh well uh it would be irresponsible the

the slaves have nothing

and you know we we take care of them

we're nice to them in our house

and you know they have even more rights

than than uh

our own symbolic

it's all symbolic it's all symbolic

gesturing and it's not reaching to the

actual demands of these people dude you

would be surprised

southern antebellum aristocratic culture

100 percent of democrats are returning

to that foundation of yes

yeah that's the foundation of the

democratic fucking party's

whole fucking yeah and i actually

fucking like on a rocket philanthropic

title one day and i'm probably gonna

i'm probably gonna get in trouble for

saying this later but on ironically

we should as as marxists

enter we should be entering these

independent political organizations

challenging the fucking leadership have

you you are familiar with the nick

frances griper thing

right um the griper war the ripper war

yeah yeah yeah i think so

i think we should do that on the fucking

left i'm honorably convinced of that i

got no issue with it

oh never honestly the whole reason why i

came on here in the first place

on this whole server was that i wish

some big influencer would one day

challenge the fucking dsa the fucking

democratic party

and would actually we would actually try

to fucking challenge

their we're not going to make them

fucking comfortable in their positions

of power

we will challenge their fucking

positions in power

dude yeah dude me and i'm not going to

like disclose the history or whatever

but me and evan

we got fucked over bad dude fucked over

bad by these snakes you know

thanks everyone they they completely

slandered us

one day i might tell this story on

stream because i want to speak my truth

because i've been fucking silent about

this forever

i got no problem yeah it was fucking

disgusting what they did to us

i feel like that one day this whole

fucking stream i feel like that one day

if i

ever become prominent on the left if i

ever which i don't think i will but

if i ever become prominent then the

problem is

somebody's gonna take this fucking clip

somebody's gonna go back in time

find this fuck like they're didn't use

like a time machine or something yeah

take this fucking clip

let me let me say this fucking

establishment yeah and they'll fucking

use this

to discredit me until let me let me say

this much

an organization completely blacklisted

us and i couldn't speak out for years

because we were threatened with legal

shit

if i said anything said

any type of contact anything it was the

most eggshell

is it a small one or is it a big one

just look

i don't even want to name the org

because just tell me if it's small or

big

it's big oh i probably have an idea of

who it is

yeah yeah it was so fucked up what they

did it was literally the most fucking

just

literally for a year i was literally

almost nihilistic disillusioned i was

like this is how leftists are they're

literally like this

they're this disgusting and they did

something that i didn't even know was

possible like i didn't even know

leftists do this shit

and i was like what the fuck no it's not

the psl don't worry don't guess guys

okay

one day i'll tell you guys what happened

it's for a gorilla story a guerrilla

fire camp chat yeah it would be like a

fire camp chat

i'll tell you the fucking drama and it

was literally the most fucking

disgusting thing

and it made me give up on any real world

contact with leftists to this day for

the rest of my life

and what the thing was that was so

deceptive about it was that we

actually thought that we were dealing

with the left yeah that was

that was what was so eye-opening too we

actually thought we were dealing with

the left and not just

parasites academic parasites we

were actually like good faith actually

become delusion

yeah you become delusion by them i mean

how many people

join the left and they just they just

meet this fucking

nasty oh this this disgusting sick

ugliness and then they just they just

fucking they give up

they think they become nihilistic they

just created like a game like

me to like just just just don't take

anything seriously and then

like honestly i think a lot of a lot of

these sort of irony poisoning comes from

that is just like a defense mechanism

from

yeah so

i don't mean to laugh sorry but the

thing is i'm just nervous

like the thing is is that like

the whole problem with leftism in

with leftism right now is what you

described

that and the fact that the quote the the

you have what's called careerism

careerism

is very fucking prevalent and somebody

say aoc

can somebody say the fucking fraud squad

careerism isn't just them there are

people who will enter like the fucking

let me just say this

there are people who will enter the dsa

not because they fucking agree with the

dsa but because it's another fucking

like name on their resume so they can

see

if you storm into a party with new ideas

and you like you're like you actually

challenge people and shit

like how you're saying they will

literally smear you

and pull something out of their fucking

ass

made up completely made up completely

baseless and they'll literally just

put it out there with no shame and

they'll just they won't even think

anything of it

they'll just make something up with

about you and they'll believe it

they'll fucking believe it just because

just because because superficially you

fit the bill

and they will literally do that

look at brent look at fucking bread tube

how they lie and make shit up about us

already

that's how fucking leftists are they

literally are fucking liars

they are fucking liars in their soul in

their heart

they're fucking liars and they have no

shame making shit up

and smearing you and putting that on

your fucking face and they have no shame

about it whatsoever look

when i was when i was going up against

these rw people on on

first the the mpp slack and then on

twitter they

they're just making up the most fucking

insane shit about me

dude they literally but it's like it's

like sometimes people can exaggerate

listen listen people can exaggerate and

people can twist things

but leftists alone literally lie they

make shit up from nothing these people

from not people here they heard a

discord screenshot

but but like if you look at the

screenshot it's clear that the person i

was talking to deleted all their fucking

comments

so that it's just basically like just

just just me typing one line after

another after another after another and

they're taking one part of this

and they're trying to smear me uh smear

me with it

yeah and i think that

sorry i think that there is

one more time yeah i think that honestly

has i'm just going to say this i i

we had drama for a while but i'm willing

to i'm

i think who cares it's water under the

bridge

yeah i i will say one thing i will say

one thing

i think that after after hearing you say

all this

i actually have learned i actually think

of you more as a human being and less of

a content creator and

and i think that and you mentioned on

the earlier stream that like

showing the showing like the beauty in

this world will be

crushed by the ugly in a way you're

right but in a way

there are other beautiful things in this

world that exist yeah

yeah i know it's just they're fragile

you know

yeah it's just fragile

and the thing is is that one day i will

i

i've been people and who know me who

know me they know me

and the people who know me on finbole's

commune and elsewhere

accuse me of oh you keep on switching

organizations you keep on

changing your ideology because i don't

know where to fucking go dude i don't

know

anybody who's anybody who's just a

hundred percent set and complain dude we

haven't accomplished anything you know

look at the state of the left in america

i don't know where the fuck to go on the

left

yeah well for these people for the

people that are already that already

have chosen and like

like pledge fealty to an org

that they that they are like currently

working for the

vanguard org that will carry forward

carry out the revolution

dude but then they'll become

disillusioned and they'll be like oh

marxism was all dumb shit

that's how it happens like they they

eventually realize it's absurd i could

have realized it

yesterday you know it took me an hour to

realize it was stupid

it takes them to the left it's just it's

the left is in total ideological

shambles it's like there's just utter

confusion

in the left well dude we identified

bread tube

as like one of the main things that are

that are the that are like the barrier

to entry to socialism is just being

fucking they think you're very higher

and higher you know

yeah but but see like this is one of the

like

i don't know like you know when caleb

says out of the movement to the masses

if he's including bread tube in the

movement we

we we have to go through bread tube we

have to smash right

through them in order to get to the

masses because right now bread tube is

like the only the only connection that

that the people have with the left is

basically through bread tube

the problem is the bread tube pretends

to safeguard like the true essence of

marxism and then i even see a lot of

ml's

who i just feel like are like yeah we

agree with bread too but we're gonna

slap on

some more additives like

anti-imperialism

to the mix it's like this is a

fundamentally

this is a fundamental misunderstanding

of marxism that red tube is peddling

i would actually i would actually say

this the one

part one thing about marxism that makes

me

still a marxist is that the idea that

the only constant is change the

something will change eventually we just

don't know what

yeah like right now it's it's clear that

breadth has

adapted their strategy dealing with us

like they understand that

essentially our growth was basically

through you know these big one-on-one

debates that you know you guys

have had with with you know these these

giants on bread tube

and essentially they've just blacklisted

us

like at this point it's like i think

that we have to think

and think of this conflict not not just

in terms of you know

red tube versus infrared or breadth

versus tankies like

on the level of you know individual

content creators like you know you going

up against wash

it's basically our community going up

against their community yeah

that's that's it's what's happening and

you know what

that's why they just pops the fuck out

of theirs

despite that we're blacklisted we're

still in their heads because of our

community and we're still in our heads

also on like a personal existential

like i threw vosh i feel like i threw

him into like a type of

existential crisis and i'm in his head i

represent that it's funny but scary at

the same time

i'm waiting to see like vosh what is the

worst you could do because i've

okay i've incurred the worst of your

wrath and i want to see what you got

like give me your words because you know

if you

because my fear is that because

i my fear is that one day somebody is

going to use this fucking conversation

and try to discredit me in the future

dude don't don't

don't fucking worry about it dude you

didn't say anything wrong

yeah all right like i'm just saying

basic fucking marxist things

yeah you know if i were breadcrumb i

think the worst that they could do is

basically just ignore us

like they're gonna i think they're

they're gonna just try to starve us out

you know the beginning of the communist

memphis was picture of europa

pictures hunting europe you know what i

would like to reframe that too the

spectre is haunting youtube the spectre

of infrared

spectre is haunting spectre's haunting

bread too

yeah in a sense that like and then in

that in the next line the communist

manifesto it says

they accuse each other of being

communists or whatever and

just like now how in youtube they accuse

each other being tankies

yeah because like and how like tankies

are the new power

in youtube dude the new unspoken power

boss is

endless dude listen these bred two

people keep laughing at tankies but

actually evaluate the past few weeks

there's no more hot topics for them to

have it's literally just this civil war

where now they're gonna have to fight

tankies because they got their biden

elected and just bitching about biden

all day

it's not getting them anywhere show

receipts so jimmy dore and tankies

that's gonna be the prime time subject

of bread tube and they have they

literally

can't control it it's only when they'll

make money so

they'll get views and they uphold the

system just as much as

as the dnc does yeah tank listen tankies

cannot be ignored like we are the only

thing

we are the only subject they can talk

about now you know

and actually and actually one thing i

gotta tell you about

is communists in the 1920s

worked within the italian fascist trade

unions and even within the party itself

communists worked within the fascist

trade unions

therefore i think that as we should be

working within

even reactionary trade unions as lenin

himself would say yeah we should

we should be working with in and for god

forbid we should be working with the

more progressive elements

of the democrats we should be working

with the more progressive sometimes we

thought about

can the republican party be transformed

no

i don't think it can be because it's too

infested with no i know i know i i agree

but

we we at least entertain the republican

party rap fucks like the democrats

we entertained the idea of it you know

we thought about it

because here's why let me tell you why

because the republicans were founded

by lincoln and so we know that whole

history and then also the republicans

it was because the democrats are

theories like democrats going back to

the reactionary southern democrat party

it's because they're getting all these

white suburban voters

rich suburban voters they're becoming

that kind of party again and then we

also said

maybe the republican party can also

change because that was the party of

lincoln

and trump completely realigned the

politics so maybe there's an opportunity

but we

we decided it wasn't possible but

we at least entertained it you know yeah

and i think that one thing that can be

i actually think that like the silent

majority of democrats and

i like i'm gonna use a silent majority

in this context i think

that bernie voters who are not overly

intersectionalist are the are the

silencers those are let me tell you who

those are

the 2016 bernie voters yeah yeah

exactly 2016 voters

majority yeah you're right you're right

a lot of them went to trump a lot of

them didn't vote at all about a lot of

them went third party

but they're the people but if we get

them if we are able to reunite them that

will be a huge feat

yeah dude i'm a hundred percent with you

on that hundred percent

and and most of these who are still

active most of the ones that you'll find

in real life

are usually active in like activism but

not like

the type of activism that lefties are

involved with they're usually involved

with like

with like housing issues or union

activism or

that type of shit the shit that actually

gets stuff done the like

the the the activism that actually is

the one passing reforms that help their

lives

that's those are the activists who we

must reach out to well

that's why we need to have like there

needs to be an overarching organization

that can pull all these local struggles

together and unite them

on a national level because just going

locally

like there's a lot of these local

struggles but how many of them actually

succeed and how to get anywhere

when they're dealing with when the foe

that they're dealing with is

is national and you know global

yes and the thing is

is that a lot of the jimmy dore people

and i've talked to jimmy dore fans

a lot and i look at the comment section

every time because i watch his videos

all the time

i've i'm in this community i'm a fun i'm

like a

integral part an integral but i'm like a

part of their community i've integrated

myself into jimmy dore fans

jimmy d'or fans are working class

in not only in their actual status

because a lot of them are like

southerners midwesterners

but also because a lot of jimmy dore

fans come from working class

areas and also their working class and

their attitude

yeah they think

that that the system as a whole is

corrupt

and therefore we need to find a party

but that the green party

and the currently existing third parties

like the libertarians or whatever

are controlled opposition but that we

need to do something new

we need to do like we need to do what

amlo did in mexico as the

people parties themselves would say and

rebuild the whole political

establishment from scratch

yeah jimmy dore himself he's not he's

not militant enough like he's on the

right track but like

he had like when he did force the vote

he actually thought force vote would

work

like he's he's he's a comedian you know

it's he's not his job to be

and and plus it was all i like dude

people like outsiders people like

outside that's why trump got elected

yeah i mean he's not naive if that's you

know he's not naive it's just

you know like he portrayed himself to to

be good

faith about the force the vote to

to set an example like the point was

you should have no problem doing this if

you are

real progressives and by the way he's

right

because force the vote may not have

worked but if aoc and the squad did

rebel against pelosi

they would have just created a new fault

line around which progressives could

rally

and and you know actually allow

progressives to be distinct

from establishment democrats exactly

it what if it would have basically

burned any bridges between

the progressives in congress and the

pelosi center yeah and it would have

been

a new thing to rally around you know

it would have it would have been so good

for the movement it would have inspired

so much energy and activism like aoc

has the gall to like come out and tell

people to go go fucking you know

organize and volunteer and work like

another fucking shift

after their their full-time job getting

exploited

but then like you really want if you

really want to get people fired up

you know actually go against the fucking

democratic yeah

yeah yeah he listen but do not disregard

the fucking democratic voters or and i

don't mean like the fucking like

intersectional imperialists

the average republican voter who talks

who who's barely at meetings

but who's still who never goes to

democratic meetings but still votes for

them anyway

those are people yeah i mean it those

people are probably important but i

think they're a minority of the

democratic party's base because if you

look at the elections

the people who got bite into power were

rich white suburbanites

and yeah professional managerials and

then it's like so yeah you gotta

we gotta have a martial cmc we have to

have a mark

party we have to have a marxist class

intensive analysis

on who the democratic voters are the

crisis

sorry there's also i think like like

like large sections of the black

community including the working class of

vote democrats

like community then that's a that's the

national question

that's a whole that's a whole national

yeah yeah at least not within a separate

time

but like no not a separate time it needs

to be dealt with now separately

yeah but needs to be dealt with by those

people themselves

well it's it's a different um puzzle

that whole thing is a different place

yeah like like the thing is is that like

free

and this goes back into my original

point which was freedom can only be

obtained

by the by the by the oppressed

themselves

no one can oppress and no one can

oppress anyone but the oppressors and no

one can

can free anyone but the oppressed right

now the oppressed the exploited lack

lack any political power

they will have they don't have a

political organ to express their will

that's

but that's our job as marxist is to

build the political power for our class

and that that's why like a populist

party is so badly needed

because like like it's not enough to

simply launch a twitter campaign against

aoc and the and the progressives in

congress because

like they get so much hate all the time

anyways from the right they they it's so

easy for them to just ignore it

like uh what jimmy dore is pushing now

which is uh uh

like um what's it called um he's he's

threatening to tell people well he's

telling people not to not

donate to any democrat including the

progressives that's a start

but i don't i think even that is not

enough i think you have to basically say

you have to basically be ready to go to

fucking war and go

if you if you aoc you know uh

you progressives you the squad if you

don't actually stick to what you ran on

and run against the fucking party

establishment then

we will ensure that you lose your

fucking re-election even at the cost of

electing

uh a corpus democrat or even a fucking

republican

yeah i mean it's a lot of things are

optics that's the nature of it there's

nothing left

it's fair that is bad optics and i think

that what would be better

is to try and unseat like moderates or

uns

i don't know people people need people

leftists don't understand leftists have

a lot of metaphysical

confusions and they don't understand

like how this new media environment

works and how politics works in this new

media environment and they have a lot of

naive ideas and i just think um

you know it's not always directly about

the thing itself

yeah and i and

i think that what needs and i think that

there is actually an interesting article

i read about how the us

is in reality a six-party system in a

sense that there are three factions

within the two parties

and three yeah the

basically it's a graph that shows like

all like the different there's a big

graph i can

i'm i'm gonna find who's the third and

the republicans there's the neocons and

paleo

cons and then who else that's the third

part religious ones

yeah like religious nationalists you

will be surprised

they play a huge role in fact when

bernie was first running his first

campaign

he would actually go to evangelical

colleges to speak about socialism

wow the religious

and then what about the democrats

there's the bernie and then there's the

yeah okay there's the there's the

moderate and the blue dot

the yeah the moderate to the blue dogs

where the blue dogs are basically

conservative democrats oh

yeah they're like like the swing voters

like those those you're right that is a

division

right yeah they aren't

like the swing voters okay the swing

voters

tend to vote in fave the swing voters

tend to vote in favor

of sorry the swing voters tend to vote

in favor

of actually let me i found the article

let me send it right now

in come on show request okay the swing

voters tend to vote in favor of either

conservative democrats or conservative

republicans

yeah like like blue dog democrats i just

sent you the graph which basically shows

like

like the right wing the three the three

there are three factions within the

republicans the gop

tent which are the establishment e

liberals which are like ryan romney

the bush family the global what they

like to call the globalists the

christian nationalists such as glenn

beck mike pence

and in the right-wing populist such as

bannon trump those people

and within the left or the democratic

tent there's the blue dog bipartisans

like fucking who's that one guy from

west virginia

just tell me who that one guy from west

virginia is oh yeah

and check the comments come on show

requests to actually show

like the people this graph but like oh

yeah whoever oh yeah

the mansion yeah mansion

mansion from from west virginia he

is the blue dog bipartisan he is or he

is

a military keynesian or the big money

people or what like he will he

and some in in in some unions

surprisingly there are some unions that

surprisingly support

the blue dogs oh i know that i know that

yeah yeah then there's the third way

neoliberals the third way neoliberal

then the neo-canteens like clinton nancy

pelosi you're these are the these are

the clintonics are the enemy

these are people like howard dean onward

together

uh the new democrats the big money the

the afl-cio leadership not the

membership the leadership

the the some wings of the naacp

like these people and although the naacp

can't be radical in some cases there are

some parts of it that are also

the leadership's very neoliberal because

i turned on my fucking xbox once

and i saw naacp was offering

i always thought it was only two but you

actually opened my eyes that there is

three there is fucking three there's

these

and there's these blue dogs

and there's these christian nationalists

that i've been forgetting about

yeah the fucking christian like the

christian nationalists

like like the christian nationalists

play a huge fucking role

in our politics so much to where like

the like the focus on family the sorry

the focus on family

the the christians the koch brothers all

these people

you know what they all do they are all

a huge they are huge

in terms of like how they operate like

these church

these churches just like we like we if

you live on the west coast

you think that we're secular but go to

go anywhere outside of the coast

and you'll learn that we still that

religion still plays a huge influence

over family over society over many

things we still live

in a religious society many americans

are still christian

therefore religious fascists will always

play

you go out of the city you know go out

go into the suburbs and like

here in the deep south you can't you

can't drive down like a like you can't

turn down a street without running into

another church there's so many churches

down here

yeah and the one thing

is that and the one thing about the blue

dogs

and not the blue dogs the christian

nationalists is that these mega churches

will

always play a huge influence in our

politics as long as we have religion

organized religion

these mega churches will always play a

huge part and therefore

i think by disregarding christian

nationals like i think instead of trying

to win over the right-wing populists

which will never work

and nor the establishment neo-liberals i

think religious people in america are

the most honest of the gop

tent they're the most honest and they're

like the largest majority by

a large a sum by a huge amount there's

no competition

they shouldn't even be a separate

political block that's just

it's a test to the incompetence of the

left yeah there's a whole separate thing

just defined by religion

yeah yeah and then hold

um

so so

uh you saw there i'm okay

sure i'm just talking some oh yeah we

actually have to on the stream

the thing this is not to cut it short

but we do have to get in the stream soon

okay just one more thing and then the

tent

that exists in the democratic party that

i forgot to mention but you already know

is the social democrats the the

left-wing of all these things

these are the social democrats in my

opinion the social democrats and the

and the christian nationalists are the

two people from each tent that we need

to look at the blue dogs the right-wing

populists are two

are too extreme the third way where

they're class based who's their who's

the class base of the blue dogs it's a

lot of unions that you mentioned right

no some unions some unions they're

mainly trade unions but like

some building trades but like but who

are who's their main class base we have

to be marxist you know we have to

analyze

i would say that i would say that the

main like if you want a real working

class base the religious nationalists

are where you should go

but what about the blue dogs who are

their class base uh some

i've actually talked i had the

opportunity to talk to a blue and this

is relevant

i had the opportunity to talk to a blue

dog like yesterday

and i asked him why are you a blue dog

he says he's establishment liberals

and he doesn't even say socials he just

says liberals these establishment

limousine liberals

are not in touch with us so a lot of

blue dogs in some states are working

that's what i think too i think that too

but the people we should definitely

oppose are the third way neo liberals

the neil cainting i agree with you

liberals in both parties both parties

also another issue is that the social

democrats their class base

is the pmc

some yes some no like like there's a

the social democrats are such a huge

tent that like

in itself that like the dsa obviously

are pmc

yeah but like but like then you go like

movement for people's party which has a

lot of working people from my experience

the unions

a lot of nurses for example the nurses

union are social democrats

and they're working class by all means

yeah right that's true

it's like there's a big there's a big

divide within the mpp itself over like

like if there are working-class people

on the one hand and then there are the

mpp

there are the pmc people on the other

and they basically went

on any like it doesn't matter really on

what issue it's

there really is a class divide basically

the pmcs

in the in the movement take one side and

the working class take the other yeah

and um it's always important to focus on

that peasantry you know that

that national peasantry

you know that stalin always focused on

the middle peasant

so you got to focus on the middle

peasantry yes

and i think that one day i think that

one day

we need to reach out to the religious

part of america that

that that doesn't participate in

politics often but it still

believes in the religion and i think

that and i think that if we

as socialists we should frame our

rhetoric not as like this

not in like the petty bourgeois middle

sense class because we are too how you

have too many of those

but the present middle class like the

like the peasant middle class as in like

the the lower like the people who are

religious who are the majority of

america

falling into the working class well

it's there's not a strict distinction

between working class and

middle class middle class means

different things you know middle class

oftentimes meant the unionized worker

factory worker

so it means different things it just

means different things but

i hate to cut it short but we do have to

wrap up the stream but uh thank you guys

for coming on it was really insightful

really interesting we're gonna have more

streams like this okay thank you yeah

hell yeah we're gonna talk more about

strategy

we're gonna analyze the what's going on

in these different parties and we're

gonna

get this ball rolling you know hell

for sure all yeah see you guys

hey thanks for being home see you

all right um you want to stay for

another eight minutes so it's a total

four hours or you wanna

ah yeah let's get it let's do the four

hours all right yeah might as well might

as well

i mean not not not another four hours

another six minutes

shit another four hours

imagine that

do people be on here for like 36 hours

is that a real thing these 36 hour

streams i'm gonna do one one day

this summer i'm gonna do a 24 hour

stream

my god or a 36 hour one i'll start

during like 4

p.m and i'll stream all day

36 hours yeah i'm gonna do it

i'm gonna fucking do it but um

you know did you see the fucking uh

justice league

no no no i didn't when i looked at it

and i saw that it was the same

i didn't even see the first justice

league but when i saw it was just

the same movie by a different guy dude

it changed

it was different dude they changed i

hear that yes

it's a different movie it's a totally

different way

so you like it though i liked it it

wasn't a quality like not from a film

critic perspective

and i gave my criticisms but and it was

too slow burn a little bit but

at the end of the day i liked it i

thought it was enjoyable i enjoyed it

yeah and man i always take your

recommendations with movies

so maybe i'll it's not

great it's like a six out of ten you

know

in four hours i mean my god dude it's

like

all right just watch it if you get bored

you can exit out

but if you're interested keep watching

yeah yeah

i'll i'll i'll check it out i'll check

it out well we all need to get hbo max

because

king kong vs godzilla is in three days

thursday it comes out what's the

possibility is there a po

oh probably not that'll definitely get

shut down no we can't stream it

i thought about it that's christ can we

like side stream it

like not actually stream it but still

stream yeah we can

as long as we don't show any audio or

video i could like watch it on stream

and react to it in real time

and we could do that um but it's not

going to be practical to coordinate that

with everyone

yeah no no there will be too many um

too many stops too many interjections

yeah

but i was thinking about that the other

day that would be that would be cool to

have

similar to like the gaming but do

something like that with movies or shows

or something

we're going to have a post right react

stream where we all

react you know what we we in the

internal collective

we did this before we can fucking stream

it internally and watch it yeah yeah we

did that with fucking uh

what movie did you watch

what was it we did it with lovecraft

lovecraft country we did that last

this was before he even streamed

anything

yeah we can do that again that would be

cool that would be cool

i'm getting for it but we gotta figure

something out yo that would be fun

see the fucking copyright shit

just stymies any type of creativity and

any type of

cool shit you got all these fucking

barriers that come out

yeah but we'll make it work either way

fuck copyright dude fuck copyright

they always say they're like oh this is

to ensure creative integrity this is

no i've never been so fucking

frustrated and unable to create

as i'm trying to work with copyright

shit

dude you have no idea when i'm trying to

choose a song for stream

i'm always fucking worried like dude

fuck this

i can't play music exactly

fucking stupid no

i can't even play the song i'm not

fucking

i'm not releasing the song i knew i'm

not you know

putting out a cd i'm just fucking

listening to it on

it's just on stream i don't understand

what the problem is

but yo twitch is banning people left and

right

for a lot of dumb fucking shit

yeah man

yeah dude twitch it's established is

this

this is a damn platform twitch

we're not getting partnered on this

platform

we do man we really do need something

there's got to be

people will be in the chat i've seen it

before they'll say something like

infrared is the platform it's really got

to be like that something new

well internet 2.0 is around the corner

and it's going to change everything

you know yeah but you know i was

thinking

twitch is so oh wait let's think about

someone to raid

i just real as soon as our viewers

dropped like 20 people

i'm like you know what let's raid

someone we got three minutes to decide

who we're gonna raid

should i raid bx bullet no it's

harassment

[Laughter]

who's on i don't fucking know

i'm looking right now bx bullets on

that's why i just saw that

for some reason they're recommended this

is a recommended channel

who's wet shrimp yeah

i see that one too any suggestions in

the chat who got suggestions

um

hey it's the it's the the bernie girl

you probably don't know about this shit

it's the one who went um

what's the song boomer okay boomer

you know that she made a song

alright you don't know about it it blew

up on twitter

she screams now um

hold on okay boomer 25 don't fuck it up

don't look at that shit

heckler during climate speed

hey no no i'm not gonna look at it

if i'm if i'm if i'm too late i'm too

late i gotta accept that

um the impulsive side of me like the

chaotic part of me just wants to raid

bullets

but yo we're running out of time though

so that one's got to be

i think it's got to happen now hold on

it's gotta happen now i mean it's

it's it's we're pushing it we were gonna

drop at four

we got 30 seconds okay

um there's so much coomer streams

i'm trying to just filter them

a lot of streams for losers

um i'm looking alright

raid

um

raid come on anything interesting please

just show me something interesting

show me something interesting anything

anything interesting

what's the kaio show

i'm looking through this

there's moist critical

the schiller institute

are they on twitch they're not on twitch

right now

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um

it's time to raid destiny

[Laughter]

now we gotta go back home i think

your dreams ever like analogies like

people will represent positions and

debate

i don't know i don't know if i believe

in that well i mean there must be some

connections here