Haz vs Corvid | InfraredShow Debate

what

good evening

what do you want

i thought you were going to debate with

me

yeah

i i think you're wrong on pretty much

all of this

yeah what am i state your business what

am i wrong about

well don't you think that

there was an ethno-nationalist pretext

for invading transnistria south ossetia

abkhazia [ __ ] no there wasn't an

ethno-nationalist pretext what does that

even mean

if if i make the appeal

to all of the globe

that

that there are ethnic russians in those

places

i'm making an ethno-nationalist plate no

you're not yes if you have an unresolved

conflict such as the one in south

ossetia

between the russians living there mind

you not russia but the russians actually

[ __ ] living there and georgia and

russians yeah hussetins are persians

first and foremost

but

the russians decide to go help them

yeah they're ironic they're not even

ethnically russian what are you even

talking about do you have do you have

evidence for the separatists being

anything but kremlin-backed uh russians

rather than

you know native south ossetians or of

kasians that are doing this yeah i do

the conflict had its origins

immediately after the end of the soviet

union before any kind of

gremlin deep state could have taken new

form

pretty sure georgia was invaded in 2008

isn't that the case yeah but the

conflict started in the 1990s you're

again revealing your utter

the [ __ ] situation

your go-to for just calling people

ignorant is a sign of weakness you

didn't even know that the south ossetian

conflict began in the 1990s

uh i mean it started in actually 1989 it

even started in the 90s it started in

1989.

all right okay so

is that just one example or what is that

is that the example you brought up yeah

does that apply to transnistria and

abkhazia

yes it does

why

why because these were all conflicts

that were a result of the fall of the

soviet union not kremlin meddling

uh

well that's demonstrably false in

ukraine because igor girkin fsb was

working on the ground in the dawn bass

but you talked about transnistry and

abkhazia

i mean we're talking about all these

conflicts

invading okay this is this is typical

lib [ __ ] doesn't know how to [ __ ]

stick to a single line of argument you

don't know how to stick to a single line

of argument so you just throw a bunch of

[ __ ] at the wall hoping one thing sticks

one by one what examples do you want

the three examples you used which was

abkhazia south ossetia and transnistria

started

because of the collapse of the soviet

union now you want to talk about ukraine

we can talk about ukraine but you're not

able to paint this broad picture of

ethno-nationalist russian aggression

2007.

georgia's conflict definitely started

around 2007 no it didn't it started in

1989. russia's invasion of georgia

started around that time in 2008.

okay but we're not talking about a civil

conflict amongst native south of

sessions yes we are because the russian

intervention was part of that conflict

by what justification can the russians

invade

by what justifications can russia repeat

the question answer it by what

justification can the russians oh you're

a tough guy aren't you you're going to

interrupt me answer it excuse me

by what justification can russia

invade south ossetia i want to know

you just told me that they're not ethnic

russians so what's the justification

um

the justification specifically

uh is the [ __ ] fact

that

do we have more fillers to provide me

no the justification is very [ __ ]

simple

what's the justification

i love how [ __ ] angry you are can you

chill for a second

i'm pretty chill okay so the south

ossetians were fighting georgia at the

time already

and they were allied to russia

okay and they invited the russians in to

come help them

on russia's own border

you're telling me that that was a

kremlin-backed coup in that old list

no i'm not i'm not yeah you are you're

telling me i'm not telling you

you're telling me that the south and

sessions invited the russians in to help

them yeah against the georgians

that's what you're telling me and then

we're playing a semantic game

with the rest of it

the south ossetians invited the russians

to come help them

the georgians were committing war crimes

in south ossetia

and the balance of the conflict was

shifting in favor of the western-backed

georgian government

so okay but that sounds like a proxy war

rather than an organic revolution

no it was an organic conflict because

the conflict started in 1989 before any

kremlin agenda could even crystallize

and you know the nature of of

transnation and all these all these

occupied areas today do you know that

they they can basically get no economic

investment because the legal system is

completely in tatters in those places

because of what russia has done

what is the russians done

russia's basically set up parallel

governments separate from georgia

are you talking about transnistria or

what what are you talking about look

georgia and moldova assert sovereignty

over the occupied areas that russia's

occupied which okay in transnistria

that's for moldova in the other right

that's correct that's correct okay

the transnistrial war started in 1990

okay

all right

and the justification is that there were

russian rebels there is that what you're

telling me

yes

okay and then russia came in to help

those rebels

and what's the justification for that

moldova was part of the ussr

i understand that but the ussr dissolved

right and the russians who still lived

in transnistria

were still russians

and that is what hitler said about the

sedate land that's what he said about

the dancing corridor et cetera et cetera

do you believe it's you know

russia hold on the transnistrians have a

right to fight for their own

self-determination

they did the bulk of the fighting in

that war was the transnistrians

themselves

but it's not like the russians marched

in and took this historical russian land

transnistrians starting in 1990 wanted

to resist

the new state of affairs under the new

independent country of moldova which

they rejected so there was a civil

conflict that was not resolved and the

aftermath of the collapse of the ussr it

was not resolved but would you agree

that uh

we're talking about transducer right

yeah would you agree that moldova was

unable to assert sovereignty over

transnistria as a result of the aid that

was provided them by russia

was russia decisive in being able to

protect the interests of the people of

transnistria yes

what justifies violating the subject

what justifies russia from helping

russians and transnistria acquire

self-determination

again this is the same ethnicity okay

let me ask you a question what right did

moldova have to have any

self-determination

uh when the ussr dissolved do you think

that

do you think that those countries that

became autonomous areas what gives them

the right to be autonomous

i mean many of them wanted it

okay well the people of transnistria

wanted to be autonomous too

i understand that i understand what

you're saying

but

you have to understand that civil strife

occurs in countries in the wake of the

dissolution of empires the ussr was a

granted a mighty empire okay

and when they dissolved

there were

civil conflicts in some of these areas

and what areas what were those areas

defined by in georgia what were those

areas defined by who defined their

borders

what to find the borders of those newly

formed countries

i believe uh

i believe that some of the states were

assembled based on like

ethnic groups in those areas no others

no we're no previous no

no

no

no in almost every case

these were the former soviet republics

oh i mean they were the borders of the

former soviet republics it's not

mutually exclusive as i said

you understand that these were the

former soviet republics which didn't

have to regard any of those ethnic or

national realities at all because the

soviet union was one continuous state so

russians could live in moldova

and they could live in ukraine and they

could live in georgia they could live

all over and live in kazakhstan because

it's all part of the soviet union anyway

it's one big happy family they don't

have these hard distinctions of borders

so it doesn't matter right it wasn't

really that happy a family the legacy of

the soviet union that's not really my

point my point is that it didn't matter

because

this was one continuous state anyway

contiguous not continuous

anyways

it's it it really doesn't matter

what borders were formed by who

yes it does no it really doesn't what

matters is russia did not stay

independent of the civil conflicts in

the wake of the dissolution of russia

no country stays independent in any

[ __ ] conflict did

did nato stay independent during the

[ __ ] yugoslav wars

no but that's an example that you

already know the answer to switzerland's

been independent in many wars

what the [ __ ] does switzerland have to

do with anything you just said no

country remains independent in any

conflict

no conflict is

no conflict is going to be devoid of

foreign interests funding and aiding

certain sides in certain parts

that much

is true yeah i agree with that but

you're not talking about just funding

you're talking about boots on the ground

in

in some of these places especially

ukraine

what is your point

well my point is is that this is a

[ __ ] ethno-nationalist narrative no

it's not yeah it is dude if i say that

there are ethnic russians being

persecuted in moldova in georgia and

therefore i invade that's exactly what

hitler said about the danzig corridor

sudan

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themselves

where's the proof of that

it started before any russian

involvement of boots on the grounds so

that's the evidence

are you sure there was an fsb on the

ground

the russian military presence dates to

1992 the conflict started in 1990

well was there an espionage presence

what does that [ __ ] prove

what would that prove if there is an

espionage

what do you mean fsb didn't exist at the

time

kgb did and that okay well the kgb was

collapsing as a as an operational

i don't even know what you're [ __ ]

asking

bro i'm asking if the material support

that russia gave was justified

yes it was i've told you my answer a

million times

i've told you the answer a million times

you're in trouble yeah you're saying

russians were in trouble and therefore

russia had the right to get involved and

that was the same excuse that was given

in ukraine which is what i'd really like

to talk about rather than these old

conflicts okay

okay

do you agree that in 2014 that russian

separatists that were mainly wagner

group invaded ukraine

no

why not

because separatists can't invade a

country they're separating from that

wagner group was a private military

contractor we've got recovered passports

okay because the main bulk of people

doing the separating was not private

military contractors it was the people

of eastern ukraine who overwhelmingly

rejected the 2014 coup which was illegal

according to the ukrainian what is the

evidence i hear this all the time but

i've never seen any evidence that there

was a western-backed coup okay here the

the overthrow of yanukovych was

unconstitutional according to the

ukrainian constitution and it was

illegal the necessary votes in

parliament in order to depose yanukovych

were too few to meet the constitutional

requirements

i believe

voted that he'd be deposed

their parliament voted that he no they

did not they did not reach the

constitutional requirement for

impeaching him

okay what is the constitutional

requirement that you're asserting that

they did not meet

well let's look it up

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yeah you need two hundred and twenty six

and

and there was sorry you don't need that

i'm reading 338 votes in favor

no no i i got that wrong

you need yeah you need at least

338 votes

okay so three there was errata voted 328

to zero so that's what you're saying yes

there was only 328.

and it's a coup because there was 328

and it didn't meet the legal yes the

legal threshold but you understand that

that's internal right that's an internal

process that's not a u.s

process to vote 328 to zero

and then yeah but it was still a coup

a leaked call between victoria nuland

and i forget who else

literally discussed hand-picking who

they wanted to

um who they preferred would rule ukraine

after the coup and that person actually

did acquire power

that person was the opposition leader it

wasn't like a hand picking he was

already a known politician

okay why was he already a known

politician was it because of his organic

popularity

that was america's guy in ukraine he was

a western [ __ ] agent

what what evidence do you provide for

him being a western agent

name him

t-u-r-c-h-y-n-o-v

he was then succeeded by i believe sergi

arbuzov

because alexander was the acting

president and prime minister then it was

the power was transferred to satyavar

buzav

the prime minister of ukraine among the

immediate deposition of

yanukovych

yeah the pro the

the acting prime minister was alexander

turchenov

and then the prime minister that

succeeded terchanov as acting prime

minister was

off where are you getting

that information

i mean this is the acting prime minister

in 2014

as of when the 27th of february because

that was yatsenyuk

this is

yatsenryuk this says as of the 25th of

may

uh after his after yanukovych's removal

alexander was the acting prime minister

and president

this is wikipedia i mean

what what

what are you go ahead and link it in

fact checking

all right whatever

yachts and yook was the prime minister

until

the 29th

sorry yeah until the 14th of april 2016

from 27th of february to 14th of april

27th of february is that what you said

yeah

of 2014. yeah and poroshenko was

president

from

17th 7th of june

all right hold on where's your fact

checking channel well i'm looking for it

i see

it and then

what was the okay yeah

okay

turn off

yeah

she hand-picked yatsunuke okay

if you didn't [ __ ] know she

pan-picked yatsunuke

but i've heard the same phone call

yeah so it was yeah

it wasn't like a hand-picking thing but

but yes it is because no

yes it was because she said we should

get the phone call they said he should

they didn't say we would

we would uh be happier they said we

should

meaning they were gonna act upon

getting him

okay

all right but

but you're suggest what you're

suggesting is the hand picking implies

the coup

more it's not just the hand picking from

the newland

it's also the funding

even if i agree with you it's also the

funding through the national endowment

of democracy and other organs of

american state department foreign uh

funding of

that culminated into the [ __ ] uh

maidan revolution

through civil society organizations

okay are we funded by the united states

are we are we referring to the

uh anti-corruption center or whatever

we're referring to a host of

organizations okay just for example

uh i forgot the name it was like next or

something

next uh

no i don't remember the [ __ ] name

not next okay it was a [ __ ]

i don't remember the name

okay well i mean

i said it's gonna be yeah okay so

i agree that there was funding in

ukraine would you agree that there was

sort of a soft political war

going on

in in uh

in ukraine by dint of the the trade deal

that yanukovych rejected it doesn't

matter he was illegally deposed

uh

where why did the ukrainian parliament

make exception when it was 328 to zero

because it was because it was a coup

because they staged a shooting

uh

by snipers of protesters and that was

the pretext

to completely depose him and circumvent

the parliamentary procedure but even

that had no legal precedent he basically

just accused him of a crime

that's those are facts not in evidence

so i mean you gotta provide evidentiary

support for the idea that the west

staged a massacre of people

was it bear coot that shot a bunch of

people

was there

bear cout it's their the name of their

uh their special forces or whatever

their seat their special forces i don't

know exactly who shot the protesters but

the details of the sniper massacre

supposedly perpetrated by yanukov by uh

yanukovych

has been heavily contested

i'm sorry repeat that i was looking at

the fact check channel

no okay

uh i would contest that the the you you

need to provide evidence that the

staging of a of a shooting of we didn't

say it was a staging of a shooting we're

talking about the perpetrators

of the maidan snipers that were decisive

in the deposition of yanukovych

and didn't they say that yanukovych gave

the order

no

the official investigation conducted

denied there were any snipers in these

might and controlled locations the

majority of testimonies are by direct

eyewitnesses

so these were

testimonies exacted by the ukrainian

government itself

would you agree that if if you were a

head of state and you had a uh a

popular protest and then people shot

protesters that were members of your

police force you would have to step down

i'm not sure what the legal procedure in

that for ukraine is

but no not necessarily

according to ukraine's legal procedure

why did why did yanukovych flee the

country

because he was threatened

with arrest

over a crime he

claimed he did not commit

well if he was innocent why didn't he

defend himself

because he he didn't think that it was

gonna get a [ __ ] fair trial

i just i i just i you know there's this

grand conspiracy narrative that you're

you're

uh conjuring involving this alleged coup

oh it's not a [ __ ] grand conspiracy

it's a grand conspiracy if the west both

both has to fund and perpetrate the coup

and it has to both fund and perpetrate

the protests and both when you don't

have the parliamentary requirement to

depose yanukovych

guess what there's gonna have to be some

other pretext why were there zero nays

to depose yanukovych

were there what why were there zero nays

where were there zero no's

zero what

why were there zero no's it's 328 to

zero why are there it doesn't matter the

constitutional requirement needed 338

and if you look at eastern ukraine

a overwhelming majority we're talking

about in the 90

percentages voted for yanukovych that

was their president who in their view

was illegally deposed and that's why

they decided to declare their own

sovereign republics

uh

again igor gherkin was fsb was working

on the ground in the nietzsche and

luganskaya oblast

like you if you if you've got radio free

europe

reporting that

that [ __ ]

uh he was conducting military tribunals

and firing squads shooting people for

anything from petty theft to murder and

he was doing it invoking a stalin you

know law that was passed under the ussr

i think that i think that you have to at

least look at that and be like well

that's an inappropriate overstep for the

russians

and then okay so the russians went to

donetsk and started massacring people

because of the stalin law

i mean you can look it up the what's the

evidence for that

yeah okay here let me pull up

an article for you

it's called the executioners of slavians

guys post into fact checking the

sniper's testimony

post it into fact checking

so this executioners

the russian-backed gunmen came and hal

okay these are saying first of all these

are called russian-backed gunmen they're

not actual russian soldiers

they're probably wagner group

because we've got evidence that wagner

group was on the ground in donetsk and

lugansk i was following this in 2014. i

was working as a a university researcher

and i was glued to the

the stories

i was on russian telegram too

so this was all wagner group and there

was no popular will in donetsk

to separate and reject the the coup that

deposed the president that

like 95 percent of [ __ ] people in

donetsk voted for

i agree with you that perhaps 95 percent

of people and then yes and lugansk voted

for yanukovych this is the pro-russian

side of ukraine okay i understand that

but ukraine has the right to sovereignty

over places that you know even if they

voted and you can't come you can't we

can't complain to me about ukraine's

sovereignty when sovereignty is

something that's recognized principally

by the people within your own country

and when you circumvent

your own constitution

and everything gets thrown up into the

window if you circumvent the

constitution that actually solidifies

your sovereignty and your legitimacy in

the eyes of the people living in your

country

they do have the right to [ __ ] secede

and set up their own sovereign state

that's based on something legitimate

uh i mean your whole your whole notion

of legitimate legitimacy rests on this

328-0 vote

like it was you basically it was

unanimous that yanukovych be deposed

what were the margins for the 2020

election between trump and

biden ah dude i don't even know

it was probably 300 joe to like 220 or

something

but what if it was really close you're

free to make your point what if it was

really close what if it was like

290 versus i know it's not possible but

what if it was like 290 versus 300

is it okay for trump to just be

president then because it's not even

that much you know who cares

no but this isn't voting like that this

isn't a this is

yeah

hold on hold on okay it does [ __ ]

matter

i didn't say it didn't matter

so the the 10 shy does matter

the 10 that we're shy of voting to

impeach him do matter

is that because of a lack of bodies in

parliament

was that because no it was literally

because not enough people voted to

impeach

or is it because people abstained

i'm asking you like it doesn't matter

what the reason for they did not vote to

impeach it doesn't matter it does matter

no we as per ukraine's constitution it

does not [ __ ] matter at all

you feel your field of free

you're free to feel that way okay

and you're free to feel that there was

an illegal coup and you're free to feel

that you know it was a violation of the

constitution

but still literally was a violation of

the constitution

none of that is proof of the western

involvement in the parliamentary vote

it's not proof

uh we're not talking about in the

parliamentary vote we are talking about

in the civil unrest that precipitated

the impeachment

did the civil unrest start before

uh the [ __ ] uh vote

in parliament yes

yes

yes it did that was what the maidan was

okay the maidan was not popular unrest

as a result

of

you know yanukovych being deposed my don

was hot

shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up

my don was because he shut the [ __ ] up

my don

i hate this guy so much he's so [ __ ]

stupid

maidan was about

eu integration yanukovych wasn't doing

it so there was these protests wild

protests and that's why they had the

vote

uh right so

i mean

so yanukovych rejected a free trade deal

with europe

and instead opted for an exclusive she's

free to do as a president

he's free to do but the but the

constituents are free to to

protest

okay they're free to protest and then

burn keeve to the ground

i would say no to that

that's what they did

okay it was a revolution right it was a

overthrow of a government

uh

dude

uh the the unrest is like

very comparable to what goes on in the

united states

very comparable

like

are we are we going to say that

that you know

that

basically

uh

basically blacks a lot black lives

matter doesn't have uh

a point because they burn some [ __ ] down

if black lives matter

um

was the pretext for a complete overthrow

of our constitution and a coup

without meeting the constitutional

requirement

okay but you you so you believe

okay say that i concede all that all

right

but you you believe that russia has the

right to invade ukraine as a result

no we're talking about the eastern

ukraine and why there were separatists

i understand why they're separatists but

there were not separatists because of my

dan there were separatists because

uh because

yanukovych stepped down according to you

and that is what prompted organic

separatist movement in those areas

because he was deposed in an illegal

coup so they decided

you're assuming that you can't prove

that in in the

in the event of 10 more votes that this

outcome would not have been the same

you can't pretend that you know

it doesn't matter

it does matter the constitutional

requirement to impeach him was not met

uh and yet and yet he was deposed anyway

it still doesn't give people are you a

pothead are you smoking pot

no dude

um

listen

what gives russia the right to invade

ukraine that's that's the big picture

like you're you're russia has the right

to invade ukraine first and foremost to

define its own to defend its own

security interests

what are security interests in ukraine

preventing nato from expanding into

ukraine preventing nato's weapons from

reaching into ukraine

and finally preventing a anti-russian

hostile ukrainian government from

threatening russia and russians in

eastern ukraine

i mean that's the same thing hitler said

but whatever

um

so let's see wait wait how is that the

same thing hitler said

because he said there's ethnic germans

in the sedate and land so denmark i must

invade there's there's there's ethnic

germans in lithuania

russia never talks about invading

lithuania

uh that's because it's part of nato

no it's not just because it's part of

nato it's because he's gonna agree to

disagree no it's not there's there's

ethnic russians in [ __ ] uh finland

okay

and finland's not a part of i know that

i know that

but finland's not part of nato finland

has

there's ethnic russians in kazakhstan

there's ethnic russians in kazakhstan

russia is not that's true

that's true but

dude like

you're you're pretending like there's

not a pattern of behavior with georgia

and moldova and there literally isn't

there is there is they're all they were

all

once part of ukraine are part of

russia's territory no they weren't no

they were not they were part of the

soviet union

okay and you're you're [ __ ] disputing

that russia and ussr are not somehow

analogous

for one another i am disputing that i am

disputing that

so they were part of the ussr

and and putin has a fetish for the ussr

no he does store it he doesn't he does

he he got up on the on the stage in

moscow and he said ukraine's not a

country

it's never been a country it's a made-up

country and it's a made of people

those are our people and they're the

same as us and we're gonna that doesn't

prove he wants to restore the soviet

union but let me ask you questions

restore the soviet union he said that it

was the greatest uh geopolitical because

it was because so many people were just

he can say it was the greatest

geopolitical catastrophe without

implying he's trying to restore it it

was the greatest geopolitical you can't

even dispute that russians people who

were once one people

were artificially separated by these

hard borders

it was a geopolitical [ __ ]

catastrophe

of course it was

i mean for russia

for everyone

i mean there were people in

eastern europe who felt that way that's

true and i don't dispute that there's

been a nostalgia in various places for

the soviet union but i am disputing

that there's a complete willingness to

surrender one's sovereignty amongst

these uh eastern european powers

that you know russia has taken advantage

of i i think i think you you are

deliberately ignoring the fact that

georgia moldova and and what it's like

to talk to an npc

we talked about georgia we talked about

that other place we've explained to you

how it's not and it's it's not like

hitler taking this the student plan or

whatever the [ __ ] you're trying to say

it's just exactly like that it's exactly

like that have you ever been to russia

how was it exactly like that

because he said

there are russians in in georgia that

need our help and there's russian

speaking peoples in the oceanians are

not russians south ossetians

putin considers anybody who speaks

russian

to be russian you don't understand well

if that's the case

then he's not an ethno-nationalist

it's totally ethno-nationalist to assert

that somebody's part of your ethnic

group and then invades oh it's not

because he's not saying wait you just

admitted they're not part of the russian

ethnic group they just speak russian

it does dude

ethnicity have you ever looked up

ethnicity it's part of it's part of your

culture too you're cult you're

culturally russian if you live inside

all right are white and black people the

same ethnicity

no but they speak the same language also

separate cultures yeah and they're and

they're ethnically american so south

ossetians are persians

here

uh are all of them persians pretty much

no that's not true i know that's not

true

100 no that's not true well no one's 100

any ethnicity with by and large yes

what are the demographic profiles of

south ossetia just south ossetia

demographics

so osetians are 89

georgians are 7.4 percent

russians are 1.1

armenians are 0.7

and that's pretty much it that's the

section demographic can you link it in

in the in the

fact check or whatever

sure

sure

so but they do speak russian too right

i don't even know if they do and i don't

i don't see why it would matter they're

not ethnonationalists it does it does

because putin has explicitly said in his

speeches that anybody who speaks russian

is part of russia this is part of what's

right actually

is the language they speak

that's their native language but they'll

speak too just the same way that the

georgians speak georgian but they also

speak russian i've been to moscow dude

come on

what's your point they're part of the

former soviet union

everyone spoke russian

as a second language

right

right and so that applies to every all

that applies to all former soviet

territories

yeah

lucky

lucky putin

yeah but but putin has not invaded

he doesn't have the ability anything

close to all former who doesn't have the

ability to

really

no

he couldn't have invaded any of those um

central asian republics at any point

uh he could have

per se but there are a number of them

that are on very friendly terms and

supply him with military arms and and

and military you know aid and why does

putin need aid from the [ __ ] central

asian republics

what aid does he need from them

are you familiar with the fact that you

know the ussr dissolved primarily

because the bank was broken by the by

the space race and the arms race

like russia could not handle the fiscal

drain on their economy and they broke up

no i don't think that's why it broke up

it is

and on top of that it's it's actually

all the money that's actually not true

all right well you tell me why

you tell me

uh a combination of gorbachev's

disastrous economic reforms

uh coupled with the explosion in ethnic

and national tensions

i think that

i think that when you when you talk

about disastrous economic policy you're

you're talking about

exactly what i'm talking about no i'm

not because gorbachev's economic reforms

literally destroyed the soviet economic

system of planning

and tried to replace it with like all

these crazy market reforms

that shocked the soviet economy

i have no doubt that it shocked the

soviet economy but you're telling me

that they would that the soviet union

was economically untenable due to

the actions of one particular leader

that's not mutually exclusive with what

i said

and you're protecting the leader did

lead to economic turmoil yeah

okay so i mean we're agreeing on that so

um

but

like so there's no point in

say

invading kazakhstan for example because

kazakhstan is on extremely friendly

terms with putin extremely friendly

terms of foreign i mean

i mean uh

russia feels friendly enough that they

can ask for

troops deployed in their conflicts

they're part of the

same organization the ctso what is your

point

uh i'm just saying that

you asked me why putin hasn't invaded

all these

former republics and i'm just giving you

a reason

because he's already friendly with many

of them he doesn't have the economic

ability to do it and he also doesn't

have the military ability to do it

putin couldn't invade armenia

uh

the armenians are extremely friendly to

russia

you wouldn't that's not true

that's not true

didn't you see the [ __ ] armenians

like walking through the streets with z

flags and russian flags the other day

you didn't see it doesn't mean the

armenian government is friendly to

russia

i think the armenian people are very

friendly to russia and i think i think

huh

what'd you say what's your point

uh

i mean you just asked me

you just asked me

well basically why doesn't putin invade

armenia and i just told you what i

thought

that was my point was there has the

ability to the armenian government's not

friendly to putin

again i also said that he doesn't have

the ability to

invade every single one of these

countries

you think he's got the economic and

military ability to invade every single

one of these countries it's it's like

it's like it's like a logical black hole

so every country he's invaded is only

because he's had the ability

i

mean why would you and i mean he doesn't

really have the ability to win what

makes georgia so much weaker than

armenia

uh i mean you told me that

there was

for one it's [ __ ] tiny

armenia's do you think armenia is the

[ __ ] size of australia or something

i think that there would be a

geopolitical problem if he invaded

armenia because of the turks i don't

think the turks would like that

why the turks and armenians hate each

other more than anyone why would the

[ __ ] turks give a [ __ ]

i mean

do you think that turkey wants uh russia

closer

turkey has to share the black sea with

russia already what are you [ __ ]

talking about

wait until you hear about georgia dude

i you just asked me

you just asked me

uh why he doesn't invade armenia i said

i don't think turkey would like that

that's right you know where georgia is

on the map

oh yeah

are you next time

are you sure you know where georgia is

on the map it's next to azerbaijan

azerbaijan what uh who else is it next

to

uh it's also

next to

let's see

it's

it's right on the border of russia

like you can you can basically drive

well

you need to crash nadar who else

bro i don't need to name every country

it's next what about to the east of

georgia

uh to the east of georgia is

uh

azerbaijan

i'm sorry to the west what about to the

west the black sea

what about to the southwest border

turkey

exactly

yeah and armenia would logically come

after georgia

don't you think

so putin's planning to invade armenia

afterwards

that's not what i said but if you didn't

have a contiguous border with armenia

why would you invade armenia

i don't know what i mean

you're telling me you're the one who

said me about you're the one who said

putin's only invading the countries he

can invade

that's what i said he can't invade

uzbekistan he can't invade turkmenistan

not in remain politically tenable why

not

you can't just send young men off to die

in the digital information age

you can't do then why what's what's the

standard here because you're saying that

every single conflict in which russian

troops have been sent is because putin

could do it and every single one where

he hasn't is because he can't okay sure

but you have to compare them then and

explain why that is

i mean look if you take part of trip

part of georgia part of moldova and

you've got troops you've got 14 000

troops in armenia you've got troops in

georgia and moldova you've got a

standing armory of 900 000 people and

you've got one year conscription

you don't have the manpower to invade

all these places you don't have the

manpower to have them remain stationed

you don't have the manpower to you know

prosecute what kinds of

what russian troops are stationed in

transnistria right now

i don't know the number you don't

understand that me not knowing every

single little bit of knowledge

is you don't know what the [ __ ] you're

talking about dude you sound like a

[ __ ] idiot

i don't know

you name three examples which is south

ossetia transnistria and abkhazia

okay

he's also got

troops stationed in russia

you you are damned

in russia

his own country

like what else

i'm trying to make it clear to you that

russia doesn't have the military ability

to invade all these places at once they

don't have the political ability to

invade all these places at once he has

to pick and choose which ones he can

invade he's picked pretty well so far

okay so what what is the rationality

what is the rationale behind these

decisions

uh i believe

that

he wants

uh

to

create a new iron curtain for one and

for two wait the iron curtain was the

warsaw pact

yeah so he wants poland hungary czech

slovakia eastern germany uh

and yeah he wants all of that too as

well right do you think that when i said

new one i meant the old one

how would that be a [ __ ] iron curtain

what are you talking about the iron

curtain was

yeah it was uh it was basically a bunch

of buffs you have any actual analysis of

what's going on besides just yeah i do

like

lazily applying the [ __ ] cold war to

2022 and saying he just wants to bring

that back

i mean if you're mad at people

for lazily bringing about

cold war policy maybe you should email

putin

okay but

you don't understand the differences

between the new russia and the soviet

union is your [ __ ] problem

okay

i'll elaborate then

okay so at most

at most

new russia which would be probably maybe

a union or an economic or political

union or some kind of new customs union

or something like that

would just be russia belarus and ukraine

okay why

because these are peoples that are

historically

part of the russian people that's just

historically belarus literally means

white russian belarusia right

ukraine used to be called malarusia

which means little russian right and

they used to call the russians the great

russians so these are all types of

russians

what's that

no

eternity

okay so don't [ __ ] tell me what

russian is all right okay so

i know you have a shitty accent dude

your accent's [ __ ]

yeah yeah when i was in moscow they

[ __ ] love me dude so anyways they

loved yeah i'm sure they yeah they loved

me i think i think around the world

people pretend to like americans

especially in urban centers i don't

think they actually like to do

yeah so anyways

ukraine

ukraine is a

filled with ukrainians

and they're an ethnic group that doesn't

want to be part of russia

the western part did not yeah

every 20 minutes no okay tell me about

how you went to moscow again go ahead

okay yeah i saw i went to moscow in 2019

to see my girlfriend it was [ __ ]

awesome i ate so many [ __ ] blini i

ate so many hinkali so good i stayed in

kitaigorit

so [ __ ]

i recommend it sometime maybe you can

get citizenship

so you're a sexpat

no

i met her in america

yeah you sound like a creep dude

gonna be honest

i don't know i've seen the way you

[ __ ] do your show

you don't look

all that much

to look at

i don't have to travel to other

countries to find women

she was the most beautiful one i'd ever

seen so

is she still your girlfriend

uh

no

covet ended that

oh it was covered

i mean i couldn't travel for like two

she didn't find a new boyfriend

not that she told me

how does it feel that another man is now

with the person you claim is the most

beautiful woman in the world

and he's probably russian too and he

probably supports putin

another man is not with her and she

doesn't how do you know

she's probably lying to you she probably

does support putin especially because

she's now with a new man who's a [ __ ]

pro putin giga chad

ah

i mean she doesn't support putin i talk

to her like

every week three times a week

i don't know why you would think i don't

know yeah i think she's trying to scam

you dude i don't think she actually

likes you

yeah that's an interesting take

you practice reading minds often you're

really good at it

can you speak up a little

no

i think she's with a pro-putin stalinist

giga chad

no that would be unlikely if anything

she'd be with a dog astani

she would be with a dog astani the most

pro-putin region in all of russia

you really haven't been to moscow have

you

moscow is not dagestan what are you

talking about right but moscow is like

the most liberal city in russia you dumb

[ __ ]

they have so many uh like liberal

dagestani and chechens in russia

yeah

but the majority of chechnya and

dagestan votes for putin

i agree with that i'm just saying that

not all of them do

what is your point

i don't know you were telling me how

some guy's railing my girlfriend so

why don't you just continue he probably

is dude

oh so good i'm just telling you the

truth and he's probably a putin

supporter because all the real men

in russia support putin just like most

real men in america supports trump

it's the same in russia sorry to break

it to you dude

i i don't know the the polling doesn't

indicate that

we started with 70 or 60

support for the war then we went to 70

and now the poll the pollsters in russia

have a really hard time getting people

to answer the questions he said first it

started as 60 then it shot up by 10

points you didn't freaking listen to the

last point

and now they're having a hard time why

are they having a hard time getting

people to answer the questions

people say things like

well are you going to put me in prison

if i answer this no i don't think who

are these pollsters first of all

uh there's one state-run pollster and

there's an independent poster and you're

in russia all right and they're scared

to answer the state-run posters

question

for sure there's i'm pretty sure there's

like a consensus in russia that pretty

much like almost everyone

who's in russia is rallying behind the

president

that's not the case uh my family from

russia fled russia when they invaded

ukraine

why

because uh

who's your family from russia

i've got people in my family who were

living within the third circle of the uh

of the moscow subway system why are they

russians

they are russians

why did they leave

they left because

you know his pension was worth something

but now it's not because of the ruble

collapse so they were they're economic

refugees

uh yeah and they don't so what is your

point

i mean

look

i just told you that you just told me

that everybody supports putin i just

told you my family fled russia when he

invaded ukraine how do you know that

doesn't mean that's because they don't

want even if your family

i know that my family doesn't support

putin i know they don't because we've

had these conversations well the people

still in russia mainly support putin

yes but many of them fled yeah but the

ones the ones who stayed the ones who

stayed behind mainly support him

there were there's been multiple

oligarchs who've said the war is

terrible

there's been multiple uh who gives a

[ __ ] what oligarchs say dude what are

you trying to say

bro if you don't think that a

dictatorship that has to appease the

military elite and the elite alike

doesn't have to [ __ ] no he doesn't

putin literally went on tv and he said

if these [ __ ] oligarchs

uh don't get behind the patriotic effort

and they want to have their caviar and

be westernized that they're a fifth

column and they're traitors that's what

he called them i i saw that yeah i think

that it was pretty badass to me

i think it's a sign of weakness no i

think it's a sign that he has a popular

mandate and he doesn't have any mandate

from oligarchs whatsoever

he doesn't have a popular mandate he's

on thin ice and then why why is he able

to talk and slap these oligarchs around

whenever he wants

uh

he's not really able to do that

he just did it on tv by calling them out

for being western brainwashed elites

uh he can you know it's not like he's

putting anybody to death it's not like

he's going to war with them that's not

the type of country russia is he doesn't

just put people to death dude it's not

the middle ages

definitely he definitely kills people

with poisoning when they're rather

allegedly kills people with poison

allegedly you don't even freaking

believe that yeah i do i literally

not willing to just accept

the accusations at face value i'm not

i thought dude i thought when those

poisonings happened he'd made it very

deliberate to make it as if you know

make it seem as if he was the one

responsible so that people could look at

him and be like

wow that guy can do anything and get

away with it

i think that's just speculation i don't

think anyone really knows the truth

wasn't weren't the compounds used like

very rare and expensive to make and you

know basically that doesn't mean only

putin was the what is your point okay

even if he did do it what's your [ __ ]

point

i mean

you just told me that he's slapping the

oligarchs around and i just want an

example of it so you want you think that

unless putin

poisons the oligarchs

doesn't have a popular mandate i'm just

saying that like

when jack ma said something contrary to

the script in china he disappeared for

months

what's your point

it sounds like putin's

kind of doing a shitty job

doing a shitty job at what

well taking ukraine for one but also

keeping his people in line

he's got so many people leaving

and if you remember the collapse of

russia in the 90s you had an instance

where people have been leaving russia

and all the ex-soviet states for decades

what's your point

right and uh after the cold war the

birth rate plunged by

60 percent and so on and so forth uh

people people barely you know they can

barely freaking find like women can

barely find men to mate with because of

how few men there are

that's it's freaking why are you saying

to mate with it's just kind of weird

like

i don't know dude you're the one who

talks about you know my ex-girlfriend

railing so and so oh she's probably with

a pro putin chat i'm sorry

i mean i appreciate your input

i'm telling you the truth

um

if if she wasn't why isn't she with you

anymore

well

she has to stay in russia

yeah but why isn't she like in a

relationship long distance relationship

with you

some people don't want to do long

distance why not

because

you know long distance because she wants

because she's with someone else that's

why put the [ __ ] two and two together

long dude who's gonna engage in a long

distance relationship at least be

exclusive and just be like i'm not gonna

you know get with a pro putin chad that

is like she can at least just be like

i'm not gonna get with this pro st putin

stalinist chad with the [ __ ]

i wouldn't even want to be in a long

distance relationship with her

like i get what you're doing you're

doing the open relationship thing where

you're like yeah other men

because i want to be with you i think

women i think that is disgusting and

perverse but that's what you're doing

anyway no it's not i'm not in a

relationship with her

she's with your

she's with she's are you familiar with

the term padruga

she's are you familiar

yeah but why not take it a step farther

because i just told you there's so much

distance

you can at least keep it exclusive

why would you keep it exclusive so she's

not keeping it exclusive so she's not

why would you be exclusive with somebody

who lives half a world away

okay i get it so she's not keeping it

exclusive with you

[Music]

chris warlock says he remembers me

that's a silly thing to say so she's not

keeping it exclusive with you it's that

simple

no

i

i

nobody's asking for that i don't even

know why we're talking about this so

she's with a pro putin chad

all right cool

and you called her the most beautiful

woman in the world

i mean i thought that was a nice thing

to say about her but she belongs to

another man now i don't care

it doesn't bother me

just wanted to demonstrate that

when somebody's not yours you can't be

angry about the fact that they're not

yeah you're still you're still

calling another man's girl the most

beautiful man in the world

well i know what you meant

but

i

i mean like if you if you met somebody

it was very beautiful why wouldn't you

you know why wouldn't you

because you you called her the most

beautiful woman in the world

she's literally in bed with a pro putin

chad who has a giant portrait of stalin

above his bed and has [ __ ] very hairy

chest hair and he's got [ __ ] a gold

necklace and gold rings on and [ __ ] and

gold

if you if you knew her you would

understand how unlikely that is no i

think it's very likely

you don't know her

i trust me i know this

oh yeah okay tell me

tell me what class she's from what class

of people do you think she's from

uh

where do you think she grew up

answer those questions russia

nope

her soul was in russia

nope

well she lives in russia now

she does

and she can't settle for american beta

males so she's gotta be with russian men

yeah

which you are which you're not

no i'm not

and thank god for that i'd be dying in

ukraine right now

yeah but

she's

well

what do you expect

her sex life is far from dying in

another man's hairy arms

yeah you're just showing how much you

didn't know her

trust me

she's literally laying in bed with a guy

who has a giant everything a guy who has

a giant stalin poster

a portrait in his room

with a gold chain and gold teeth

and who's very pro putin patriotic

and they're cuddling right now watching

a [ __ ] bootlegged pirated netflix

unlikely yeah

telling you the truth

uh

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so

anyways so igor gurken was operating in

the dawn bass in 2014. yeah he was fsb

he was killing people and he was

depositing their bodies

where

uh shells were being dropped by

ukrainian forces what's your evidence

i gave you the evidence earlier it was a

link from radio free europe

go ahead and look it up

okay

hold on

let's look at your radio free europe

link

uh the executions in okay so where do we

get the part of bodies

bro just read the whole thing i'll wait

i'm not gonna read the whole thing

read it read it with your chat read it

with your chat

it's way too long i just want to get to

the relevant part you said artillery

uh shells okay okay here we go do

control f shell or something okay

the 30 year old peachko a civilian was

taken to a gloomy two-story building

surrounded by armed guards he was

interrogated forced to write a

confession and summarily shot to death

by a firing squad of russian-backed

separatists who seized control of the

city these executioners so this the guy

you're saying who is responsible for all

this this is not true it's russian

separatists who did this fsb igor

gherkin strzelkov it says a firing spot

of russia backed separatists this is the

part where igor gherkin is running the

firing squad and running the military

tribunal

artillery shells okay

i don't see any evidence of playing

bodies with the artillery shells

igor what is his name

eager gherkin

okay the executioners

he's a self-professed former fsb officer

and monarchist

so he's a self-professed professed fsb

officer with a former one okay

uh yeah sure hurricane lives in that

place he lives in [ __ ] donetsk

he does now no he's

he lives there

he does now

yeah

but i mean he was one of the same guys

who was involved in transnistria

you can look that up yeah

was part of the russian groups that were

within russia that were russian um

patriots that went all across these

hotly contested areas

of where russians were being oppressed

or fighting for their freedom and

fighting alongside them he went and they

also went to the bosnian war and he went

uh

elsewhere and whatever so what's your

[ __ ] point

the point is if you got russian fsb

operating in the nancy it's not fsb it's

former fsb he doesn't [ __ ] work for

them anymore bro

you know what putin said in the speech

once you said once fsb always fsp

okay that's like when they say once a

[ __ ]

one submarine and nam is always in

marina it's like some [ __ ] [ __ ]

people say what's your point it's not

just some [ __ ] people say it's not just

some [ __ ] people say that is that is the

nature of service as putin believes it

he believes it's for life he doesn't

believe there's any way out

of the fsb there literally is

no no once in the fsb

you're in for life if if you if you

conduct yourself that's literally not

true

you can leave the fsb

transnistria and grozny and all these

places if you're conducting yourself in

a way that is benefiting the russian

government this guy is an ideological

warrior he's not a [ __ ] russian agent

he's an ideological warrior

that's like saying like steve bannon is

an ideological warrior

and not affiliated with trump at all

and steve bannon like clearly goes to

bannon is an ideological warrior what

the [ __ ] are you talking about

his motivations are ideological

right but do you think that putin's

ideological motivations differ from igor

gherkins

probably yeah gherkin is

why why listen gherkin

listen gherkin is associated with a

certain intellectual scene okay

he's an ideologue he's associated with a

scene okay

okay

are you gonna are you going to talk

about who's part of that scene are you

going to talk about the the beliefs

typical of such a scene

maybe not

what

look this is according to the new york

times his ideological rigidity precedes

any connections he has to wrestle

security sources

stretching back at least to his days at

the moscow institute for history and

archives there he obsessed over military

history and joined a small with vocal

group of students who advocated a return

to monarchism

i i still don't see how this disavows

his involvement with like

basically

operations that exclusively benefit the

russian federation

and if you've got wagner group my

operations benefit the russian

federation as well

well if you've got wagner group

i don't know if they do

if you if you've got wagner group in

ukraine then

you know

it seems like

for all intensive purposes

there are there's been a

shield of plausible deniability veiled

over both gherkin and wagner group by

din to the fact that wagner group is a

pmc and pmcs have some plausible

deniability but we know that wagner

group has been

working in syria has been working in

ukraine what are you trying to bro spit

it out what are you trying to say right

now bro that it

you can't just send

pmcs and and and spies into into foreign

countries and and talk about it like it

was an assertion of the sovereignty of

the downtrodden that's not what it was

yes it was whatever russia was sending

was assistance to those people

and they sent a buk

and the buk fired from russian territory

in september of 2014 it shot down mh17

and killed 300 people

so your ex your ex-girlfriend is getting

a buk every night that you're not there

and then igor gherkin

igor gerkin

posted on contact yeah

that

they shot down that plane

he posted that even even if i accept

everything you're saying it's not

relevant or meaningful at all

it is relevant no it's not you you have

all these uh holier-than-thou claims

about sovereignty oh you know these

people in this whole list need to have

sovereignty and these people in that

robert listen sovereignty is very

important but when it comes to the

collapse of the ussr that was an

extremely messy process which to this

day has not been resolved

it just feels like so and that that's

that's a situation where like the middle

east

and the balkans you have an issue of the

development of sovereignty which is

still an ongoing development

okay so you're saying that the process

like

sits the the collapse of the sovereignty

a sovereign sovereignty is based

on customs traditions mores and history

and things like that it's not just based

in a formal institution sovereignty is

also based

in the custom and tradition and

legitimacy of a state

all those things are still contested

after the collapse of the soviet union

you so you're basically saying that

the states that that

sort of split from the ussr when it

dissolved

are still struggling to figure out what

their sovereignty actually is and what

it entails

i i

i feel like you

believe

that the collapse of the ussr was

terribly unjust

and that

uh

whatever whatever rationale need be

employed should be employed in order to

justify

invading sovereign territory and you're

you're saying that you're basically

saying that

this sovereignty of these places

was essentially up for grabs it's not

set in stone

and

it's it feels like that is not what i

said for example if russia were to go in

and occupy moldova at the expense of the

moldovan people's will that would be an

act of oppression and whatever the [ __ ]

you're talking about right

that's not what we're dealing with here

okay the situation's just way more

complicated than that all right let's do

it let's deal with specifics then

all right so let's say that i conceded

that the natsuki and lugansk

needed to be invaded by putin or

whatever

you they were not invaded by putin

okay right okay so

let's say that that's the case and and

all that

what

and you just told me that if

russia invaded moldova at the expense of

the moldovans that that would be wrong

you know i'm saying if russia invaded

moldova

like the whole of moldova and

forced russian sovereignty over the will

of the moldovan people so that the

moldovan people have to live under

russia and russian rule yeah that would

be wrong that would neglect the reality

of moldova's sovereignty right and

self-determination

what is uh

what did you what happened with ukraine

such that he can

override the sovereignty of the native

ukrainians like i don't understand how

it's different from the moldova example

a

russia is not occupying ukraine

it is demilitarizing ukraine and

eliminating a security threat coming

from ukraine ukraine does not have the

sovereign right to pose a security

threat to russia if you want to

guarantee a lasting peace on the

european continent if you don't care

about peace on the european continent

you want it to be world war one all over

again then there's no basis for any

[ __ ] sovereignty in the first place

you chastised me for employing cold war

politics earlier and now you're not cold

war politics that is literally all real

politics forever before the bill clinton

era of [ __ ] coping about everyone in

the world globalism that's all [ __ ]

made up [ __ ] we still live in the

same world that you know of world war

one and world war two and we we've in

the cold war even we live in that world

okay we live in a world where

everything is based on a very delicate

balance of

competing sovereigns

and disputed territories

and uh wars we live in that [ __ ]

world still we don't live in a happy

globalist world where everyone's holding

[ __ ] hands and bill clinton singing

kumbaya and everyone's raising charity

for starving people in africa and bono

and and [ __ ] madonna are on stage and

doing that's not the world we live on we

live in okay we still live in that old

world

it sounds like you're kind of making a

justification for might makes right

no i'm not i'm giving you a description

of the world we live in

live in a world

where

if you make moves that threaten another

country's security

that country is going to do something

about

you

you i've but russia tried to settle this

peacefully for eight years

uh did they yes they did they even got

ukraine to sign the minsk agreements

according to which there would be a

ceasefire in the eastern ukraine

uh which ukraine decided to violate and

which ukraine decided to throw out of

the [ __ ] window and say oh we don't

agree with the minsk agreements anymore

because we were forced to sign them

well i mean they were technically under

duress

but yeah but those are agree okay then

ukraine ukraine should have declared war

then and not signed the agreements

because it signed those agreements if

we're talking about agreements

well russia and the united states both

violated the budapest referendum

okay

you mean the budapest memorandum

whatever dude

and the budapest memorandum

dictated that ukraine give up all its

nuclear weapons

or you know in order to have security as

a neutral power

okay

so and then russia violated that

guarantee

in 2014 and it is violated again

in 2022.

the united states violated it prior to

that

both when it sanctioned belarus which

was a violation of the budapest

memorandum as well as when it helped the

maidan co even if you deny the uss's

involvement in the might on coup the

sanctions against belarus did violate

the budapest memorandum

why did the sanctions of

uh because part of the budapest

memorandum was that you could not use

the powers of economic coercion to

influence any of these states that were

listed in the budapest memorandum and

belarus was one of them

why was belovers sanctioned

and when it doesn't [ __ ] matter it

was a violation of the budapest

memorandum no it doesn't

yeah because of some internal political

[ __ ]

let's see when

look

there are belarus sanctions right now

that are in place

tell me the ones the budapest memorandum

is thrown out the window

telling me tell me the ones that you're

referring to that pre-date the 2014

uh invasion of donetsk and lugansk

sure

they were

in twenty thirteen

all right thank you

march

okay

actually yeah i think also 2007 there

was some

went so okay so

that was really wrong

i'm reading that

2012 and 2013 belarus was subject to uk

sanctions and eu sanctions

was it subject to

uh

u.s sanctions as well yes or was it just

eu sanctions because i can't find a

source that it was subject to u.s

sanctions in 2013. i can only find eu

and uk okay in 2013

american sanctions were implemented

against belarus

okay because of human rights violations

and other illicit activities of the

government of belarus

so the u.s responded that oh we didn't

do sanctions against the people of

belarus just the government

okay so it doesn't [ __ ] matter it

still violates the buddhism those are

those are those are weasel words i agree

is georgia listed on the uh budapest

memorandum

i doubt it

why do you doubt it

i don't know

okay

no it's not

what about what about moldova

no it's not

all right then uh

i guess

i guess uh it doesn't matter

that we signed that agreement especially

given that you know

russia has invaded ukraine now and

nobody's playing by the rules i guess

so

i will i will concede that the us breach

those sanctions uh when they when they

sanction belarus

or they they breach the agreement when

they when they've sanctioned belarus i

will concede that

um

but again i

i don't think that all right thanks for

the concession bye