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i'm just talking when you're talking about, in the real world, you know,

when you're talking about communism or capitalism, you're talking about two different

standards of morality, to the two different standards of ethics.

I'm talking about two different epochs our, our society reproducing itself.

Our standard of our standard of capitalism, though it has never existed, has existed fairly in fairly close to pure form at one time.

Just as communism has existed in a fairly pure

form in multiple states.

In multiple states, no, no, I'm not talking.

Wait, Haas, Haas, no.

You've come in, so you need to be quiet, let me finish.

Haas, you need to be quiet, let me finish.

We see, well, okay, and so, and so you don't interrupt.

You come in quite, you come in when your time is, is ready, okay?

So don't be rude.

You don't be rude.

Yeah, just because you're an hour.

We can, we can see, we can see, I don't care, I don't care what you think.

We, we can see pure can see i don't care i don't care what you think we we can see pure communism existed no i shouldn't care i don't have to care what you think we can still see what pure communism

in places like north kore and venezuela but you will deny that these places are experiencing

pure communism you'll deny that

when China was purely communist

and when it didn't have market innovations

to help it expand

its economy, you

will deny that

the famine times, the time of the

cultural revolution

had nothing to do with

because here's the thing you're telling us

what we're going to deny

and we're not denying anything.

Oh good. So pure communism you understand

becomes very violent. There's no

such thing as to appear anything.

The problem with your understanding of Chinese history

is just that you don't have the facts correct.

Like there's a ton of mainstream media distortions.

But what I want to know is when this like,

like perfect capitalism existed, you just said it did.

And I don't see.

No, I never said that.

I said we came very close to it.

And the closer we came to it, the more prosperous we were.

But didn't that just get us here?

But guess what?

But no, no, no, that's not what got us here? But guess what? But no,

no, that's not what got us here, actually.

It's more socialization. It's more concentration

of power and the intermingling of

economics and power

and political power that got us here.

Like, it's still we were there, then we're here. Like, that got us here. Like it's still we get we were there.

Then we're here.

Like that's what happened in history.

No.

If capitalism operates as a standard of individual rights as it's operating moral standard.

That's the standard that we have to hold

up and have to aspire to.

The fact that we've fallen away from it

means we've fallen away from the standard.

We have separated ourselves.

I understand what you're saying.

That's why I keep telling you,

what happens in society

ain't about it. Norway.

What were you saying?

Yeah, Norway is more capitalist than we are.

No, I'm a millionaire. I'm a millionaire.

Thank you very much.

But thanks for your concern.

Why are you asking regular people?

Because political parties,

political parties always get donations.

And I told you,

we're going to discuss that at the very end.

Comrade Thomas, thank you so much for the 10. Appreciate you, brother.

All right. Go ahead. Ha, no. I know. I mean, Haas. Could you not interrupt people when they're

talking, man? I just wanted to introduce my. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay, we'll wait until people stop

talking. That's what polite people do

who respect other individuals.

Yeah,

I know you think that, but that's not

the case.

You should, we'll discuss that at the very end.

Sure.

But, okay, we got to go back to this again.

You said we were at this so, such a close point to your perfect capitalism.

Right? And then some history happens.

Can you guys not hear me?

Now, what my mic is fucked up, is it really?

Is it immaterial? You guys can't hear me?

It still went from there to here, right?

And this is precisely the argument

that Marxism makes.

It's why I keep saying, like,

I don't understand where this happened at

this perfect capitalism or how it...

It's not a material. It's not a material. it's not a material it's not a material it's

holding a certain worldview and it's like sort of predefined thing that comes like the real

capitalism's like the ideas you have when what i'm talking about is the real world

as it exists. As are we

go ahead, Michael, are you raising your hand?

No, no, no, no. I'm just listening.

Okay.

Okay, I'll

this

I don't know, this this conversation has kind of become one-wieldy, and I was really hoping not, it wouldn't, but it's okay. I mean, I can flow with it. But the idea, well, if that's your standard, then I would, just what's taken place in the real world well what

mark's advocated for had never taken place in the real world but mark still advocated for something

he still called it communism right so to say well because this has never existed doesn't it

means it it isn't such a thing. Well, that's silly. So, but we've never had a dictatorship of the proletariat yet. We've never had a complete collapse of the capitalist class

so that the proletariat takes over.

We haven't had these things yet.

Yes, we have.

Well, I mean, I don't know.

We have it right now.

And where?

Guys, the issue is all you've done

this.

Down to like all the way down

so no one can use me

what is happening

i haven't interrupted noah

hold on i haven't been interrupting

no we haven't interrupted anybody i could tell you're interrupting him

because you're trying to that's not what i said at all actually he said the exact opposite

right yeah he's actually no us no actually noa made the claim that real opposite. Actually, Noah's

actually Noah made the claim

that real communism has been

tried. That's

what he said. Nobody said what you just

came in and claimed.

I didn't say it was according to you. I didn't say it was according to you.

I didn't say that.

What I said was that because that never happened, that contradicts Noah's previous claim.

But you're now misrepresenting what's being said Michael I can I can help here

Michael why do you think yeah I know it hasn't happened where tell me where it

happened I want to know where it happened. Tell me where.

Yeah.

Okay, so Stalin in Russia,

that was the dictatorship of the proletariat?

100%.

What a wonderful place to live.

And it defeated world fascism.

The Americans.

The Americans did, but thank you very much.

It took the Soviet Union from a third world

country of illiterate parents' peasants

where my grandparents came from.

It took the Soviet Union from a country

of illiterate peasants where my grandparents

came from, right?

And made them the second biggest economy in the entire world and a handful of decades.

With the GDP of Texas at its height.

They were inventing space travel.

And they had nuclear weapons

with the GDP of Texas

at its height. It got nuclear

weapons from spies from the United States.

It got its technology. Anything

that was worthwhile in the Soviet Union

came from the West. There's a great book called

East minus West equals zero.

And I don't think there's anybody in America who would want to live in Stalin estate, live in East Germany,

where I'm sure you think pure communism existed, live in North Korea for for for that matter, live in Venezuela for that matter, or even Cuba for that matter, or China, China, which did implement market reforms, did start to experience an expanded economy.

And now that Z is in a... Now Z is...

Let me finish my point.

Let me finish my point.

Yeah, but you're just throwing it.

Now that Z is losing power

within the Chinese Communist Party, they are starting to consolidate power. They're starting to consolidate power. They're becoming less of a market. Their system is in a state of free fall at the moment.

That's true.

It's just simply true.

They've been saying that for decades.

And you've been saying it about the American system for decades.

No, yeah.

But we're still, I'm saying,

I'm saying, hold on, hold on.

Hise, I can barely hear you, brother.

Yeah, you're going very low.

You go from real low to really high.

Yeah.

How's it right now?

That's high high.

High?

Now we have a huge echo.

And an echo.

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okay so uh basically

you went

quiet again

you went quiet again

I don't know what's going on

it's the fucking echo cancellation

bullshit that they have. Now it's loud.

Okay, I'm just going to keep it this way until it...

I can turn your mic down on the... I think I can. Hold on.

All right. I think it should just stay this way. Is it all good?

Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Go ahead.

Yeah, so I came in the middle of what seemed to be, you know,

a big dispute about the Soviet Union and communist history and so on and so on.

I'm the chairman of the American Communist Party, and if I reference it correctly, the dispute began because you took offense to my visit to Sayyad Hassan Nasrallah's funeral.

Is that correct?

Are you talking to me?

Yes.

I don't remember.

Noah, how did it start?

You can remind me.

Yeah, I think it was Mark was joking about drone striking.

Oh.

Yeah.

Which, by the way, at the time, there were people leaking their location.

So, hold on.

Before we get into that, Noah, Mark, is it part of your glorious system of values that don't actually exist in the real world that you should kill journalists with drones?

It's part of my system of values that do exist in the real world, that bad people...

Okay, hold on. Let me step in.

So journalists who are just engaging in freedom of expression should be killed on. Mark, can I say something? Hold on. Hold on. Let me step in. So journalists who are just engaging in freedom of expression should be killed.

Mark, can I say something? Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead. Michael. Mark, I'm going to suggest that you not answer that. That's a bad faith question. This was supposed to be.

It's all your lawyer.

I don't, listen, I don't need a lawyer

you are the lawyer dude

I'm not a lawyer

anyway look guys

I'm just asking you said I should be drawn

I'm wondering if that's part of your

hold on

hold on that's not what I said

that's not precisely what I said

you didn't say we should.

But I really don't care.

We came out here to have a debate

about capitalism and communism.

Not over whether you should be

drone-strike or not.

That's irrelevant.

It has nothing to do with the debate.

You just went on a big gibber spiel about your whole metaphysical system of values, and I wanted to know that was part of it.

Hold on. Hold on. Listen, dude.

I've come from a world where disrespect is not accepted.

I know you killed. You got 27 years in prison for stabbing yeah yeah yeah i did

but i that was a long long time ago but no part of your value system as well no no it's not

but no are you just wondering you oh i said I should be drone. You seem very violent.

I didn't say that.

Hold,

I didn't say you should be droned.

First of all.

Secondly,

Noah,

Noah,

did you not assure me

in my DMs

that we're all grown men

and we can have a nice discussion?

Is that this?

I'm only to move past the drone.

Haas is talking.

It's,

it's,

but I'm going to move fast.

Hold on,

hold on,

guys.

No,

I'm willing to move fast it.

I was just wondering.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I want to say that it is within my value system. Hold on. Hold on. I want to say that it is within my value system.

Hold on.

It is within my value system, which does exist.

Okay, so you want to talk about it.

That's good.

Let's talk about it.

That bad guys, that bad guys, you were, in fact, you were interviewing the leaders of

Hamas.

Isn't that what it was?

So having the wrong opinions. The leaders of Hamas, isn't that what... So having the wrong opinions...

The leaders of the Moss, the leaders of the Monash, don't just have wrong

opinions. But I do, but I

have my own opinions. But I have my own... I didn't murder anyone. Your friend Michael

did. I never murdered anyone. No, I didn't. No, he didn't. No, he tried to, though. Anyway, look, I've never stabbed

anyone. Oh, look. Well, I don't care what you did. Is that what this is about? Like,

you're going to insult me. He's saying, he's saying, he's saying, it's part of his system of values

that I should be drone. Why should I be drawn? It's part of my, it's part of his system of values that I should be drone. Why should I be drawn?

It's part of my system

of values that terrorist leaders should

be drone. Am I a terrorist leader?

I don't know what you are.

Why did you say I should be drone? You're an

advocate. You're an advocate for one of the most

violent ideologies on the face of the earth that has been responsible for millions upon millions of death.

Even if that was true, you're saying I should be drone for having a wrong opinion.

And you seem to be sympathetic to the terrorists that you're in jail.

Okay.

Let me just pin him down on, let me just, let me just,

I called down, calm down, and I did not say it.

Buddy, you're not acting, you're not lucifer right now, okay, be a, be an angel, not a, not a

dude, can you be, are you an adult?

Hold on.

I'm trying to just get, haze, are you an adult? Hold on. I'm trying to just get.

You're like a child.

I'm trying to clarify whether.

You're trying to de-ray.

Everybody, everybody.

I said I was willing to move past the drone comment, but you decided to go back to it.

So I'm just wondering.

Because you're arguing in bad faith and I wanted to tell you that it is...

One question.

It is objectively good.

It is objectively good to kill terrorists.

One sentence.

But that's not what I said in my tweet.

Do you think that people who have opinions you disagree with

just for having the opinion that it's justified to murder them?

That's all I want to know.

No. No.

And why did you say we should get drone-striked?

I didn't say you should get drone-striked.

You didn't say the stadium should be bombed?

I said, I said my kingdom for a drone, because you were with Hamas leaders who are guilty of murder.

I was at a stadium full of civilians.

They're guilty of civilians, Mark.

I was in a stadium full of civilians, Mark.

I was in a stadium full of civilians.

They are guilty of murdering other human beings.

How many people were in that stadium, were you in a stadium?

Where were you in a stadium?

What does this have to do with capitalism versus time?

Hold on. Is it that your argument?

Your friend Mark wants to go down on this path.

I said I'm willing to move past.

No, you.

No, you.

Everybody.

You did.

You did.

You did.

Yo.

I'm going to put the

brakes on. Hold on a minute here.

Okay. Good. Put the brakes on your friend.

Okay. That's fine.

He's a bad faith arguer.

Why are you so angry? I just asked the question.

Because you're a bad faith arguer, because you're dishonest.

What was dishonest about what I asked?

Because you're trying to evade the actual tenor of the conversation, which has been about the ethics of communism versus the ethics of capitalism.

I wanted to know if your moral system was consistent, because you talked about moral systems.

My moral system is consistent.

Bad guys who murder people and advocate for the murder of others.

And journalists and civilians.

Okay, people who have the wrong opinion should be killed.

That's what you're saying.

Wrong. Exactly wrong.

People who sympathize with and aid a bet, murderers and killers, they don't have any more.

That's a subjective opinion.

So for having the wrong subjective opinion, how have we materially?

They're at the funeral celebrating the death of a mass

murdering funeral is worthy of being killed

of a mass murdering fiend of a mass murdering feed so that

according to your moral system if you attend the wrong funeral you are worthy of death

even if you're a child if you're attending the funeral, you are worthy of death, even if you're a child?

If you're attending the funeral of a mass murdering team, you should be killed.

You have the ideology that supports mass murder.

By the way, you're saying Nasrullah is a mass murderer.

How many people did he murder in your estimation? How many people did he. How many people did he murder in your estimation?

How many people did he, how many people did he, how many people did he command to be murdered?

Who cares?

Well, this has nothing to do with, it.

Murdered over 40,000 civilians over the past year alone.

How many did he, how many civilians has he killed?

This has nothing to do with

capitalism versus communism. Are you that afraid

to debate your idea?

Michael, I would be more than happy to

just talk about economic systems, but you

began this debate talking about moral

systems. Because we're

discussing capitalism.

So your moral system should be consistent.

And I want to know if your moral system is consistent.

And what I'm saying to you is, I don't care what you want to know.

You've shown yourself to be a bad faith actor.

You came into this thing with bad manners.

Is it wrong to

ask if your moral system is

consistent? No, no. I don't

I'm going to tell you this. I will no longer

respond to you because you are irrelevant

to me. I said I'm willing to move past the...

Noah, you've been respectful. Noah,

I will deal with you.

You brought in a bad faith actor.

I won't hold that against you because I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know he was going to behave this way.

I wanted to debate communism.

I've been completely calm.

Do you want me to turn my gang down?

I don't know how loud it is.

I don't know. I mean, I my gang down? I don't know how loud it is. I don't know. I mean,

I've been calm. I don't know why you guys are so angry.

It doesn't have, it doesn't have anything to do.

Well, you know, dishonesty or Asian

are sort of bad characters. But how am I

being dishonest? They're bad

characters. You're attempting

to twist concepts

in a way that...

Forgive me for inquiring upon...

...and enables you

to seem like it's justified

and good things. We don't have to talk about moral systems,

but let's just say your morality is irrelevant

to the debate. Well, it morality is irrelevant to the debate.

Well, it's not irrelevant to the debate.

Well, it's clearly inconsistent.

Because it clearly isn't.

You advocated for journalists to be murdered,

and now you claim that's not what you're advocating.

I advocated for terrorists.

I haven't you the one that doesn't want

to be involved? I don't, but like, for terrorists. I am for terrorists. Jackson a terrorist?

I don't, but like, let's be real, Mark.

Like, he,

he may have been rude to you,

but, uh, he's called for my murder.

Right.

You were saying that because he had said something like saying I said something like

I said something like

my kingdom

send a drone, right?

My kingdom

my kingdom for a drone

to take out

the terrorist

sympathizers.

Aren't you the guys

who are making life now

for everybody on the earth.

The government's sole responsibility.

The government's sole responsibility.

No, for murdering people.

This is what I don't know.

The government's sole responsibility is to protect us,

to protect us from people who think murdering other people to get their political

agenda across is justified.

That's what you believe.

That's what the government did.

I absolutely don't.

You just don't believe just justified murdering.

You said, if you want to just about what you yourself said, that's fine. I just't believe. You just justified murder you said if you

want to

just

what you yourself

said

that's fine

I just

I justified

I justified

I justified

the government

using force

against terrorists

and against terrorists.

But I'm not a

my

so hold on

sympathizers is doing a mark sympathizers is doing a but I'm not so hold on

sympathizers is doing a mark sympathizers is doing a lot of heavy lifting

a lot of heavy lifting you may be

do you have sympathy for

Nasrilla do you have sympathy for him

so if I subjectively have sympathy

you have sympathy for him for Nasr I subjectively have sympathy for someone? You have sympathy for him?

For Nasrallah, yes.

Okay, so you have sympathy for his... So you condone my murder.

That means... That means you have sympathy

for his worldview. You support it. You might support it

generally. You might support it generally. You support it spiritually. Oh, no. You be murdered. You support it spiritually.

Oh, no. You support killing.

You support killing.

Do you support you support killing? You support killing me.

I support defensive. I support defensive killing.

You mean like what the killing Hezbollah does, which is purely defensive?

Which is not purely defensive. Really?

How many civilians have they killed over the past year

versus Israel? Oh, oh,

you mean because they're bad at it?

No, they could have easily. They could have easily

long, I mean, I was right in front of an Israeli

village, and they could easily just bombard.

They don't do it.

They don't target civilians.

They've certainly tried.

Oh, yes, they do.

Over the past year, name a single instance in which Hasbola has tried to kill a single Israeli civilian.

Name a single instance.

There's countless. There's countless, countless.

Let's just go off of the past year.

Name, but wait a minute.

Name one instance over the past year.

Now we're getting into the Middle Eastern conflict because you're afraid to confront

the ethical issues behind communism and the...

I can't take your ethics seriously if they're not consistent relative to the question of my own murder.

It's not unreasonable.

What I'm bringing up is not unreasonable.

You said I should be murdered.

I want to know how that's consistent with your ethics.

Your ethics are telling you that it's perfectly acceptable to support

murderers and violent ideology.

No, that's what you believe.

Let me cut in here, go ahead.

That's what you believe, dude.

You want to murder me in Jackson. That's what you believe, dude. You want to murder me in Jackson.

That's what you believe.

This is my problem with individualism and subjectivism in general is we're not

so.

We're going off of something that's inside his head that you believe you're sort of like

this thought that you don't even know the shape of other than words

is enough hold on watch let me finish man i i've gotten like two words out the last 10 minutes

um so so you believe that this thought that's in Haas's head is sufficient

justification to call

per his murder now

Has not only has it in his head

regardless of it. Hold on it. How did I act on it?

By attending a funeral? He's done nothing.

By interviewing someone as a journalist?

By supporting them, by giving them moral support on social media.

That's all subjective.

That's not material support according to the legal definition. That's not material support. according to the legal definition.

That's not material support.

It's broken no laws.

He's broken no laws.

He's broken the terrorists know.

And therefore I should be killed.

Right?

The terrorists know they too morally support them and that their cause is not only...

Okay, so hold on.

So subjective moral opinions are determining whether someone should live or die now.

You were right, Michael.

They do.

They do take it completely...

We don't have to go down this road, my friend, but you wanted to go down it.

I'm willing to move past your moral, if you admit you have an inconsistent moral system, we can move past it.

You can talk about the history of communism. As soon as you admit your moral system is inconsistent.

It's not inconsistent.

Yours is inconsistent.

You believe you can support murderers.

I believe I can attend a funeral without deserving being killed, yes.

The funeral of a man responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people.

How many?

Be precise.

Who wants to annihilate millions of people.

That's the person that's...

How many has he annihilated?

Forgive me.

Forgive me if I think you're kind of...

Let me say something here, Lord.

Let me say...

So, you just said that this Rala wanted to annihilate...

You do suck for that.

But should I be killed for it?

That's what I want to know.

I said millions.

I said millions. And he supports it. Should I be killed for it? That's what I want to know. I said millions. I said millions.

And he supports it.

Should I be killed for my opinion?

We don't know.

You should be you should be you should be sub.

You should be subjected to whatever happens because you are a supporter.

No, no, you said that.

I should be killed.

You're saying I should be droned.

You should be subjected to wherever you put your support and act.

Mark, if you think I should be killed, why don't you stop being a coward?

Why don't you kill me, Mark?

You do it. Since you think it kill me, Mark? You do it.

Since you think it's morally, you're calling for it, you do it.

I think you're values,

you're morally reprehensible.

You're a pussy hiding behind drones.

Do it with your own hands.

You're not aggressive.

You're calling for me to get killed?

Why don't you use your own house?

This is like the worst hour of my life.

All right, Michael, don't stab me.

I'm sorry.

I'm just asking questions.

Why did you bring,

why did you bring the Haas on?

Okay, okay, guys, guys, guys, let's just

drop that subject, but I want to end

on one thing, and I'm going to say it, because

I haven't talked. Okay, good.

47,000

Palestinians have been directly killed by Israeli aggression.

Aggression on Israel.

Defense.

You're confusing aggression with defense.

111,000 have been injured.

Now, this is real actual violence.

Let's go on to, rather than ethics, let's go to, we could go to the history of communism

because I think you could even make a good argument that, well, I won't make it for you,

that there's violence in communism's history, right?

My thing is...

Nothing but.

Nothing but.

Well, I mean, I look at China right now and see them...

How do you think...

Can I ask you a question?

Noah, seriously? Sure. i'll ask you you you've

been respectful to me you haven't been a decorating how do you expect me let's just go with me

i never called for your pals death there's no accusations or anything like that

i didn't come on here to discuss israel i said i was willing to move past it no i'm talking to

you noah right your buddy has insulted me said you know i'm trying to have people stab whatever things that i did when i was

just out of my teens i did 25 years in prison for and everybody knows about i don't hide it right

you can't have after he sat there after he sat there and insulted me right derailed the conversation no

asking you really do you really do you really do you really think no what that i can sit here

and just pretend like everything's okay and just have a discussion the only

reason that i didn't just leave is because my friends here right that's the only reason i wanted

to come on and have a good faith discussion i was nothing but respectful to you even if we disagree i don't care

disagree with all kinds of people doesn't matter to me right yeah and i got to say no you were you

were respectful at first as well to have been insulted and demeaned and all that like i'm not here now i'm

not going to have michael in fairness i want to be calm in fairness i'm not here now. I'm not going to have... But Michael, in fairness, I want to be calm.

In fairness, I'm not trying to be hostile.

In fairness, I think my rudeness, as you're calling it,

is a little bit reasonable in consideration of the fact that your friend called for my murder.

Do you condone that or no?

So, Noah. Yeah, no. Do you condone that or no? So Noah.

Yeah, no.

Why are you avoiding that?

Michael, he already said he didn't want to talk to you because you're a bad faith action.

All right, Noah, can you ask them?

Let him, let him communicate with never.

Everybody, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.

I'm exhausted. Um. I'm exhausted.

I think, look,

Huss has a point, man.

That's a very, like, poignant way to put it when we're arguing for you guys saying you have this moral system.

Correct.

Put it into perspective of the actual argument.

We are. I did.

Actually, actually, let's look at it like this then.

If you guys, because I'm ready to go, go past it.

Hoss wants to go past it. I think we could have a good discussion. No, it doesn't.

And guys, everyone giving super chats. Don't worry. We'll list them when this is all over. Thank you all, by the way. Sorry.

I think that it's a fair point to make because of the issue of

you guys believing

there's this moral imperative

that causes social change.

Right? And if someone is willing to aggress imperative that causes social change, right?

And if someone is willing to

aggress specifically against,

I don't know if you guys believe in the non-aggression

principle or not, but

Haas has done nothing, right?

Haas hasn't broken any law, he hasn't

hurt anyone, he hasn't called any law. He hasn't hurt anyone.

He hasn't called for anyone to be hurt.

But you guys or more, I don't want to believe this.

Hold on.

Hold on.

He, Noah, regardless of what transpired between Mark and Haas online that I don't know about, right?

I didn't do it. Right? I didn't do it.

Right.

I didn't insult him.

He's twice brought up a crime I committed when I was 21 years old.

I'm almost 49, right?

I served 25 years in prison for it.

I'm good friends with one of the victims in the case. i say i served twenty five years in prison for it

i'm good friends with one of the victims in the case

i've turned my life around right

and he's insulted me i had nothing to do with whatever you don't want to know

hold on hold on

no i have nothing to do with what's going on with him and mark the best if the best

argument you have against capitalism is mark's a hypocrite i'm not saying he is but that's the that's

the thrust of your argument no i'm not so if's a hypocrite, we should just throw out capitalism?

And that's just that's not a good art.

I think that's just dumb.

Michael, you sort of kind of stumbled on to my point, believe it or not.

It has nothing to do.

Like, the should in that is what interests me.

And let's just leave that whole argument behind.

It's over.

It's done.

We won't bring it up a go.

Whatever.

Like, we'll just move past ethics

and morals.

Well, let's just look at

should we throw away capitalism.

That's not an argument I would ever make.

Why don't we argue about civility first?

I'm willing to be civil. I just had a question. You guys don't want argue about civility first? I'm willing to be civil.

I just had a question.

You guys don't want to talk about it.

It doesn't seem you are.

You haven't been civil since you came on.

He's going to be civil now.

I'll be civil.

But it's too late for that.

For me, it's too late for that.

I could cry and say that he called for my murder and that I could throw a fit, but I'm willing to move past it.

We could be civil.

So, no.

Michael, why are you afraid of me?

I don't want to know.

I just want to know why.

You know, I'm willing to be civil already, Haas.

You're not being civil already hos you're not being civil

well you're refusing to engage with me in any capacity because i raised the question of whether your

moral system is consistent or not because you called to my murder because you're not a good guy

no i have a question for that's your opinion dude no i have a question for no. That's your opinion, dude.

Noah, I have a question for Noah. That's really uncivil as well what you just said.

Noah, can I ask you a question, Noah?

What's up, Michael?

Do you think that honest intellectual discourse is important even amongst people

that vehemently

disagree. Yeah, you shouldn't call for their murder

either. That that is how

now, hold on, Noah.

I was asked to come on here.

Mark asked me when you come on the show

with him to debate just to

debate so i condemn what mark sure let's move past sure i sure i love to debate right i

corresponded with you a little bit okay all very professional right like all that so all that that's what I would like to talk about more than anything else.

Let's do it.

Is the importance of civil discussion.

Let's do it.

Right.

And listen.

Believe or not, Haas can be very civil.

I think he's understandable.

I don't, I don't know the guy

outside of this.

So he might be in other

context,

a wonderful guy.

All I know

is that the way

he acted toward me,

like I'm not lending that sanction

I'm not going to be like yeah dude that's cool

no apology nothing just

oh yeah it's cool that you basically called me a murderer

and you said brought up my past

that's all cool because that's fair game

in a debate about

capitalism versus communism.

Come on, man. I don't know why you're so hung

up over this. I'm willing to move

past it. Clearly you're not willing to be

consistent. This is sort of

a Darvo type of thing that

I think of a path

Oh, here we go with the cycle.

Let's just get to the point.

You're a past.

Did you say this one's the fault of the Dharma initiative?

I would say

it's the fault of a bad actor named As.

Hey, listen, Michael.

I wouldn't talk about bad actors.

Don't throw stones and glass

houses about bad actors, sir. I saw you

lost. I wasn't impressed. That's

right. Well, other people were and it doesn't matter

whether you were or not. Your opinion

everyone I talked to says you ruined the show.

They all said you ruined it because your acting was really bad.

Okay, good.

Good.

Richard Sossman followed me on Twitter.

Yay.

Hey, hey, so, hey.

He and I had a couple of debates.

I'm willing to move past this and just go to the meat and potatoes.

Let's just be civil.

Michael.

Like all the meat and all the potatoes, guys.

They're willing to move past it.

Michael, should we call this a ball and let me just say the...

Don't run away.

Don't run away.

Haas, I would never run away from you.

I'll choke you unconscious any time you want.

Look, do you want...

On the mat. Of course, on the mat.

We'll go on the mat if you want.

If you want.

I mean, you already called for me

to be drone-striked, so I don't know what...

Yeah, well, you support terrorists. You support

terrorists. Okay. You like authoritarian.

So, Michael, I think that you're the smart one

of the two. Do you want to have a philosophical debate

or no?

You want to run away from that Michael Michael Michael

Michael Michael Michael Michael

Michael doesn't want to deal with somebody who has bad faith

But I do want to address something

Let's do this

You did say you did say something in a tweet

of yours that we don't have a real

Party if the American Capitalist Party

It's not real. The American that the American Communist Party is a real party. If the American capitalist party is not a good party,

that the American Communist Party

is a real party. However,

I want you to know something.

If, if, if, uh, when you

become a, a, when you

declare that you are a party, do you

have to, do you know you have to declare yourself to the IRS?

Have you declared...

I thought you were a libertarian.

You believe...

Have you declared yourself to...

We still have to live according to the laws of the state.

Have you guys declared yourself to the IRS?

Have you been accepted under the statute

527? You should call

the IRS and report us. Have you? If you

suspect we haven't, you should report us.

Do your due diligence. I not only

suspect that you have, I have a

several list of violations that you are not in compliance with.

But my point is, my point is, my point is, my point is, not to bring that up.

My point is that, sorry, you call me off guard there.

My point is that we are the legitimate party.

We are legally registered with the United States government.

We are in compliance with the Federal Election Commission.

And you are not. You're out of compliance with all of the

laws and regulations that are

that every party... I just want to have

a normal debate. It's called itself a political party

are subject. I just want to have a civil

debate. I'll let you know.

I just wanted to let you know that you guys

are the fake, you're

the fake one. And the IRS

will be contacting you. Yeah, we'll

be fun. You get your point, Mark.

I want to see. Am I not allowed to speak at all?

Mark, I don't know, you're not.

Go ahead. According to who? Hold on.

According to me. I find it, I find it incredibly. You're not. You're not. According to who? Hold on. According to me.

I find it incredibly.

You're not the boss.

That we have a libertarian.

Oh, you're not.

And the American capitalist.

I'm not a libertarian.

Okay.

This guy who wants free markets and no government.

Correct. Whatever. And you're citing us regulation.

So you're saying that we should not be in compliance with the law as a No, I just think it's funny because, Mark, you're saying we should not be in compliance with the law.

Dude, please let me finish one thing, man. You're saying we should not be in compliance with the law. Dude,

please let me finish one thing, man.

You're saying we shouldn't be in compliance with law.

I don't know. No, no, but I'm saying, that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is it?

You're claiming there's a paradox.

You're the one who talks about this individual

ethics and morality being the source

of social change

and you want this free market

that doesn't have any government

interred. Indeed. But then when it comes to the

actual like existing

thing, you're going right to government regulation

the existing thing

following them the existing thing is government regulations

that you have to follow or you see but

do you plan on running somebody for government?

You who believe social change is based on your notions of ethics.

So how are you going to run?

How are you going to run people for government?

How are you going to run people for government?

Mark, if I may, let me take a stab at this, please.

How is how are you going to run people for government?

Sure.

We're going to field candidates.

We're going to field candidates.

How are you going to do that without being in compliance with the federal election commission?

We are not the ones who talked about our entire position being premised on our subjective moral outlook,

though. That was you. We actually understand the material reality of laws.

Then why aren't you in compliance with them? Who said we're not in compliance? Who said that?

That's what you said, based on what? Are you in compliance with them?

Yes.

But you didn't add.

What's the evidence?

So you are in compliance.

So it seems to me that you have failed to comply with 8-8-71 of the IRS code.

You have a failure to comply with 8453 dash-x.

What's your proof?

Based on what?

On the research that we have done on you.

On the research that we've done on your party.

Can you like, besides just stating it as fact without any evidence, can you be more specific about what we're in violation of?

You have not declared to the government that you started a political party, have you?

Noah, have we not filed our organization with the government?

Oh, yeah. Oh, big time.

Then why did you not know what a 527? our organization with the government? Oh, yeah. Oh, big time.

Then why did you not know what a 527 was?

You're making a lot of assumptions.

I don't know where... Why did you not know what code 887 was?

Well, I have code 4532,

which says that you're really but her right now.

Do you have an EIN number?

You're the chairman of the party.

You're the chairman of the party.

I do.

You want to look it up right now?

Yeah, go ahead. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what it is. Look it up right now.

One, two, three, four, five, six, two, two, five, two, nine. Look it up right now.

Okay, so, i don't know what this research is um but the the research into uh whether you guys have actually complied with the law like like mark but like, Mark, you're just saying you're going to have to look up the number.

Like, I don't even know if, like, look, I'm not in our legal department, right?

But I don't know if that's even public information that you can get, our EIN.

Yes, you can.

Okay. You can get, you can get, our EIN? Yes, you can. Okay.

You can get whether, you can get whether or not you are in compliance with the law.

And look it up.

You can get, we did.

The secretary of the party did look at it.

The EIN number I just gave you.

Look it up.

The secretary of the party also. Look up the number I just gave you look it up the secretary of the party also look up the number I just gave you that you are not in compliance with the I think with internal revenue I think you're not to look up the code that I just gave you or else you'll never know nor are you in compliance with the FEC.

Look, I think

your secretary may want to

redo

his research a bit, but this

is a silly, or her, sorry.

Her, no one. I don't know. I shouldn't

assume genders.

Let's get to an actual meat and potatoes argument because this is getting silly, man.

I think excluding me from the debate is awfully convenient.

Give me the number again, Haas, because I'm going to have it searched right now.

So give me the number again?

I've got about a minute before I have to go, Mark.

Michael, don't run, please.

So if we can wrap this up.

5, 6, 7, 55, 29, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Mark, one two five seven one two three four five six seven one two three four five six seven mark he's making up numbers mark he's making up numbers yes i can't yeah i get different

numbers i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it how's you're a child i can't do it you're a child

look look you're child and i I can't do it. You're a child. Look, look.

And you think this is somehow

makes the Communist Party look on it?

I just want to debate.

You look cheap. I'm only, I'm only

fucking with you because you said I can't debate.

Why don't we just debate?

You look cheap, brother. That's all you look. What am I supposed to do? You said I'm not allowed't debate. Why don't we just debate? You look cheap, brother. That's all you look.

What am I supposed to do? You said I'm not allowed to debate.

So I guess our parting words are, you guys aren't in compliance.

Oh, you're running away with your tail between your legs.

Hoss has just proved it. You're running. I want to have a civil debate. Do you want to have a civil debate

do you want to have a civil debate

yes or no no BS

civil debate I want to have a civil debate with an adult

you're not an adult and you've made this

okay well let's prove it let's prove it I am right

starting from here Starting from here,

starting from here, civil debate.

Noahas, you lost.

You already lost it.

No more debate.

Why are you running?

It's so convenient for you to run.

At Noah,

if you want to have this debate

with your,

somebody else.

Has there ever been a capitalist system without

violence and force mark has there ever been a capitalist system without violence and force it's all i'm asking

if you if you there's it's predicated upon when has there ever been one in reality without violence

and when has there ever been any in reality without violence and force? When has there ever been any political system without violence and force?

Never. So I'm asking you, has there ever been a capitalist society that was not premised by violent dispossession of people from their land?

It was, yes.

Name one.

Please name one example.

The capitalist system has been the mitigating.

Wait, wait, wait.

Name one example of it then, Mark.

The mitigating factor of violence.

But then it's founded upon violence.

In every case, it's founded upon violence.

It's founded upon the mitigation of violence.

Name one example of it not being founded upon violence.

I don't debate children, so I'm not going to debate.

Can you name one example, please?

No, when you want to have a debate.

He's running.

I tried to debate something substantive.

He ran.

I don't know what to do, guys.

Tell you what, Mark.

Name me an example of a capitalist system that isn't predicated on violence and the theft of land and all of that.

I will name you a system

whose ideals enable it to self-correct.

The entire rural...

The entire... The entire. The entire world. The entire

self-correct

is up.

No, it doesn't.

The entire rule

is based on

lands

brutality and murder.

That's capitalism.

That applies to capitalism.

Let's give actual reason.

Name it a single example of capitalism where that isn't applicable to capitalism as well.

You can look at the hockey stick graphs of human thriving throughout history, and you see the hockey stick

rise in human thriving. Let's start with the basketball.

Let's not get to hockey yet. Let's start

with the baseball, right?

Are you talking about that way?

Are you talking about that way?

Directly correlates, directly correlates

with the birth of capitalism and liberalized markets and

liberalized governments at the same time. Name a single

example. Just name one real example of that.

I agree they liberalized. The world has always been violent.

The world has always been violent. States have always been violent. The states have always been violent.

The only thing that has mitigated violence has been the existence of capitalism.

But capitalism could not exist.

Not communism.

Capitalism could not exist without the violent dispossession of people from their land.

No.

Name a single exception, then.

Name a single exception.

But name an exception then.

Name one exception.

Name one society that has existed in history, that's an exception to the rule.

Name one, name one society in existence in history, that's an exception to the rule.

Name one, name one society in existence in history that doesn't have a history of violence.

But I can describe to you in detail the particular way, name one, name one that doesn't have a history of violence. And capitalism is just as violence as any other system. Name one.

Wrong.

It isn't.

Name one that doesn't.

There's none.

So capitalism is the same as every other system.

When did violence start becoming a mitigated factor as opposed to the

need of doing business? for capital accumulation in particular

to even be possible

people need to be violently alienated

from their land. No, they don't. Yes.

Well then there should be an example.

Marxist bullshit. There should be an example.

There should be an example that just proves the rule.

Is there even one

in history? Every

every entrepreneur

in history has been an example

of capital accumulation.

Entrepreneurs are not the ones that create the

capitalist system. Entrepreneurs

take for granted.

Well, okay, the British East India Company, were they entrepreneurs?

The British East India Company was a government sponsor monopoly, so it's not capitalistic.

But without the British East India Company, the entrepreneurs of the British Industrial Revolution could not exist and would not have a basis to exist.

It was a mercant. It was a, the British system was a major.

That was the foundation of capitalism, Mark.

And imperialism. No, it wasn't.

So, name a single example of a capitalist

system that doesn't rest upon that

premise and foundation then.

After you named to me a single system

that doesn't rest upon... I can't. I can't.

I can't. Because you can't.

Right. But you can, but you can

name when civilization started to become less violent.

And that correlated with the industrial revolution.

But there was more violence as a consequence of capitalism.

No, capitalism caused far more violence.

Right.

Is there a single war in history you can name more violent than the first two world wars?

Correct.

No.

And they were started by status systems, not capitalists.

The World War I was started by status systems?

That's correct.

Okay.

So the Napoleonic war?

Bismarckian socialism

that doesn't

What is that

But then we're operating under the

But then hold on

In one breath

You're going to attribute

Germany's industrial success

To capitalism

And another breath

You're going to say

It's Bismarkey and socialism

I'm not saying anything

About their industrial

but in terms of the human

prosperity that you're attributing to

capitalism, Bismarckian socialism

was indispensable in that

development. So what are we

attributing to capitalism and what are we

attributing to? So whenever are we attributing to...

So whenever something's bad, you call it socialist, but whenever something's good, you call it capitalist.

Where's the consistent definition we're working with so that we know you're not just bullshitting?

This is precisely what you're talking about.

You're claiming that capitalism was the beginning of violence for the...

I never said that.

I never said that.

I'm saying...

You're implying it.

I'm not implying that at all.

I'm saying capitalism in particular depends upon violence.

It's not a single example of a capitalist society that is not predicated upon violence.

That's all I'm saying.

Absolutely.

Right here, you can see examples of a mostly capitalist system or semi-capitalist.

Name one.

Name one.

Every day in our own society.

But name one society. that are predicated upon

okay you think that america you think the american capitalist system is not predicated upon

the violent dispossession of people from the way the american capitalist system is what is what

ended slavery.

The American capitalist system and the ideals behind it, which are the concept of individual right.

What about the colonization of the Philippines?

And that every man is created also not done by capitalists.

But what was,

how is capitalism behind Lincoln's?

Lincoln was in a, why is it, why is Lincoln not a socialist, but Bismarck is?

Lincoln was not a capitalist, correct? Of course he wasn't.

So how is it that capitalism was

responsible for the abolition of slavery

when it was the statist Lincoln's

Union Army that ended slavery? Because the North

because the North was

more or less capitalistic in the South.

No, but that was a result of Hamiltonian protectionist policies.

That was a consequence of Hamiltonian protectionism, not free market libertarianism.

We have to understand. We're not libertarians. Well, we have to understand. Well, I know, but what is capitalism to you? If Bismarckian, all I'm saying is this, if Bismarckian industrialization is not capitalist to you, then neither is the industrialization that occurred in the North leading up to the Civil War. That's all

I'm trying to say. Your original

concept was which

the wars

were started. And you named America, which

is the most retarded example to be polite.

And World War I. It's a really stupid example.

And World War I. Okay., you said were capitalist societies that started the war. I said they were not. Okay. It was a Bismarckian socialist economy that started the war. So, and World War II, sorry, let me finish. finish. World War II was also

started by a socialist economy

called fascism, a different type

of socialist. What did Hitler

nationalize, name two,

name two things Hitler nationalized.

Can you name two things Hitler nationalized?

Every single company that was under the control of the government, even if they were nominally private, they had to do the national, the bidding of the national government.

You mean that's true, but that's true for every single example of a capitalist society in history, Mark, every single one.

Nope.

It's true for a single example where capitalists didn't have to do the bidding of government.

It's true for your communist China.

It's true for America now that it's becoming socialized.

When did American capitalists not have to do the bidding of government? It's true for American now that it's becoming socialized. When did American capitalists not have to do the bidding of government?

It's true for every mixed economy that exists in the present day.

Did capitalists not have to do the bidding of their government?

Capitalists didn't have to basically do the bidding of their government

before the 19th century

so in the 1700s according to you

capitalists did not have to do the bidding of their government

I didn't say every capitalist

government has always been mixed

so let's just be clear about what you're saying.

No, no, no.

Mark, why engage this guy, Mark?

I don't understand why you're engaging.

He's not good faith.

He's not good faith.

He's a bad faith actor.

So why engage him?

He keeps arguing in back here.

Michael, look, dude, just by looking at you, I could tell you're way sharper than this guy.

Why don't you debate me?

So you're way sharper than him.

Guys, you should take a stab at it.

I suggest you go to the IRS and report yourselves because we've reported you for you.

So they'll be knocking on your door shortly.

I suggest you get it.

Oh, shit.

You get an EIN number.

I suggest you do all the things in compliance with election law. Wait, wait, wait, I need to get the number. I suggest you do all the things in compliance with election

election law. Wait, wait, wait, I need to get the number.

Otherwise, you're not going to be able to elect

anybody. You're not going to be able to elect

anybody.

I think, Michael, I am

I'm sorry. I just got

the number. I just got it. I'm sorry I engage with these sorry. I just got the number. I just got it.

I'm sorry I engage with these days.

I just got the number.

We shouldn't have engaged them.

Because they aren't good faith.

I thought they came for you.

Look, I think here's the thing.

Mark, may we leave?

Yeah, let's leave.

You're running away. You lost.

Bye. You suck as an actor.

You're shitty. Your job sucks.

No, I'm so

sorry, but like,

I know, I don't want people to say I ruined it because, like, I literally said I'll move past it when I brought up the thing about him wanting to drone me. I'm like, all right, I'll move past it. We'll just focus on the meat and potatoes. His friend didn't want to debate me.

And no, I watched like the first five minutes and the whole time he was going on a monologue, jibber babbling about morality.

So before I got in the shower, I was just thinking, okay, their whole thing is about morality.

I just want to ask him one simple question.

Is it morally consistent to say that

journalists and civilians should be killed by drones? I don't see how I derailed anything. I don't

see how I ruined it. I don't know. No, be honest. Did I ruin it or no? Hit. What's up, brother?

That's the problem, right?

Like, look, oh, I think Michael's still here.

He's backstage.

Michael thumbs me up if you want to come back on.

Yeah, bring him, bring him back.

No, he laughed.

Oh, he laughed.

Sorry.

Okay.

No, like, that's the issue.

Like, I don't care about the, like, I don't issue. Like, I don't care about the like,

I don't think, like, I think it's weird

that you think social change happens

because we argue coherent systems of ethics.

Like, it's not a subconscious development

for people. But like, when that's your opinion, you can't, like, just call for someone to be drone strikes because they have an opinion you don't like.

I didn't think you, I didn't want to take that.

I don't know, man.

I didn't want to take it personally, you know, and like, because I wasn't upset.

I just thought it was a little strange.

Like, okay, you're talking about morality and all this stuff about like your consistent metaphysical moral system.

And I just wanted to know if you regard that as applying to your own actions.

Because one of the things I wanted to argue actually is like, where are the fruits of this?

Like what is the, what does it look like for this thing to be real right right norway appreciate you so

i just wanted i wasn't asking as a gotcha i was genuinely asking because i was like if if

this can't apply concretely to like how you yourself behave, maybe you're willing, you know, what they could have said is they could have said Mad Beech with stuff. They could have said like, okay, but I'm an imperfect human being. And obviously there are examples of me being inconsistent. This is a transcendent moral system of metaphysical values that we can only kind of aspire

toward but never fully realize.

I would have accepted that and been, well, I would have continued arguing, like, but I

would have been like, okay, so you've addressed what your comments are, how you

qualitatively value those comments in relation to your own moral system, and we could move on

from that, right?

But he wouldn't do that.

He kept trying to justify his claim that a stadium full of 100,000 people,

myself and Jackson, a journalist, should be drone-striked and killed.

And he just wouldn't let go of that.

He wouldn't let go of trying to justify that.

And you know what's like I was trying to sort of jump in,

but like every time you,

you like said something he would interrupt and would just repeat the same thing, right?

And so I'm trying to like jump in and go, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Noah, these two guys...

You say this is your justification, let's examine it, right?

These two guys...

From what I watched, these two guys did nothing but like tag team you and interrupt

the shit out of you the whole time

from what I saw like honestly that's just all I was seeing so when I came in I knew I would have to like

I would have to like you know tell them hey you guys have to shut up we need to get some words in here

I wanted to start it. Like, I was just

going to introduce myself. And then we could actually have a back and forth, you included,

but what I, maybe I was wrong because I was showering for like 20 minutes, but like,

I was getting prepared and showering for like 20 minutes. But like, what I was seeing before I got in the shower was them just talking over you, like taking turns going on monologues and barely letting you get a word in.

Am I wrong about that?

I mean, they're so they were interrupting me.

Yeah.

I was I was trying to sort of just actually hear them out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

And so that's like when it's just one person, that's no big deal.

But when it's two people, I guess it's stark, right?

Like it really hits is in the face.

Um, but like

I can't, I don't know, I was beginning

to get a bit impatient like,

okay, that's enough of the jibber. Let's just,

and I'm trying to be nice about it going like, let's not jibber

at each other rather than

saying, dude. The way I i see it though no it's like

if they are debating about political issues i think it's a huge insult that they like went on

this whole tangent about morality and metaphysics and moral systems when, you know, working people in this country

want to see meat and potatoes. They want to see results. They want to see what does this actually

all amount to in reality. I don't know if people really want to spend their free time gibbering

or entertaining like substanceless gibber.

And I feel like what I brought up to them helped illuminate the fact that it was substanceless

because it didn't even apply to their own positions and how they themselves conducted themselves

in public,

you know,

calling for people to get murdered because they have different opinions.

And not even that.

It just doesn't,

it doesn't actually reflect anything real in people's lives.

Like,

who cares if you believe that, you know, you can't, you in something called a non-aggression principle, right?

Who cares if you, and this was I was trying to tell them at first, like, why should I care that you have this, like, ethical system?

Like, I don't.

Especially when they can't consistently apply it to their own actions.

This guy, the other guy brought up that I was, you know, wrong for bringing up his past that he stabbed someone. But he,

right off the bat, said that I was a bad faith actor, right? So he's the one who began the

encroaching upon civility, you know, that

occurred. Yeah, I think

maybe, like,

maybe that was

a little, uh,

um,

I don't know. I feel like it's fair

because he was sharp.

Um, because at that point, he completely said that he's not willing to engage with me in any

capacity at all.

Right.

Like, no, he really said that, like, he really, yeah, no, okay, okay.

Maybe it did cross the line a little right but at that point it was just like i was just so sick of just hearing mark say the same thing over and over

that i was just like, okay,

at least this is different, right?

But like, honestly,

I kind of, I thought that guy Michael

was kind of cool, believe it or not.

Like, I was like,

I feel like, like, he seems like a dude that like I was like I feel like like he seems like a dude that like I would have known when I was younger

like yeah I don't you know what I mean like he probably is a cool guy I don't know um but like for me I try to put myself in other people's shoes.

Like, look, I did lose it.

I will admit, I did lose it when he started looking up the EIN.

Michael, you know

michael had to tell

mark that the one two three four five six seven was fake

i could yeah that was

that was when I lost it

and I lost composure by the way guys an e i n is an employer

identification number um you can't like employ anyone without it like you you can't so like's, it just strikes me as odd because, like, okay, they don't call themselves

libertarians, but those were all of their arguments.

Those are the spaces they're in.

And so first, we had the libertarians creating a party

that is asking people

for handouts while the Communist

Party is building businesses

then the capitalist party

is like citing government

regulations at the communist.

Like it's just like if you believe this subjective like view of your ethical system is what creates change.

Why can't we bring up that that's inconsistent

with how you're acting?

Just throughout the whole thing.

Let's get to, we got like a bunch

of super change. Noah, I don't want to

keep you. Yeah, no,

that's fine, brother. Yeah.

I'll see you. No, look, that's fine, brother. Yeah.

I'll see you.

Look, I apologize if I made a mess of it.

I was genuinely

just trying to, like, move.

At the moment, I knew they got triggered

just from the question.

I was like, okay, I'm willing to move past it.

I'm willing to be civil.

They really just got so triggered by that question.

I don't feel like that's, I feel like it's kind of unreasonable why they got so upset by that question, you know?

I don't know.

Yeah.

I think it was kind of odd.

Well, you know, like when you're caught in it,

not everyone is up front to like when you figure out you're wrong about something,

go, oh, my bad.

That's real hard for people to do on the internet, man.

You know,

uh, not everybody has the virtue ethics of a communist after all yeah um anyway no my bad if i made a shit show of it, but I genuinely had good intentions.

I did not have the intention

of making a mockery of

them, but

they... All good.

All good, brother.

All right. See you later, man.

Bye-bye. See you.

All right, we're're gonna get to the um the super chats everybody uh hi all right what a crazy crazy night guys what a crazy night guys what a crazy night what a crazy night.

I don't know.

What did you guys think? I was trying really hard to not.

I don't know.

Like, oh, I was too loud.

My mic wasn't working that well.

I don't know.

But I

genuinely wanted to have

a philosophical debate.

I did.

I really did.

But for some reason, maybe it's like a, maybe it's a cultural difference.

Maybe I'm just like a too Arab or something. I don't know.

I don't know what it is.

I felt like I was being reasonable.

I felt like it was a reasonable question, namely, you know, if you're so moral consistent.

American good office, why did you call for us to be droned? Because in fairness, that's what started everything.

And then I even took the debate away from that and I wanted to talk about violence in relation to capitalism.

And he constantly was just kind of panicking, and he was extremely inconsistent when it comes to, like, you know,

what is capitalism?

He said, you know, German industrialization was not capitalistic.

Okay.

But then in the same breath, he attributed the abolition of slavery to capitalism,

which doesn't make sense because, you know, the northern industrialists

were, you know, that was a consequence of Hamiltonian economics, not, you know, the his notion of,

I don't know what he meant by capitalism. He also wouldn't define it.

So I don't just focus on when I was fucking with them, is all I'm trying to say. There were many

examples of me actually trying to get them to commit to something, right?

And it's because they wouldn't engage that I started fucking with them.

Which, I'm sorry, but it's literally the guy from Lost.

It's so random.

Um... the guy from lost. It's so random. See, this is why people are scared of debating me, though, because

no, that's not what happened. All right, what happened?

What happened then? I genuinely don't not what happened all right what happened what happened then i genuinely don't know what

happened i felt like i was in the right to ask the basic question of why he's calling for my death

i was fucking with them with from the start a little bit.

Well, if that's true, in fairness, he did call for my death, and that's all I know about

him.

I wanted to clear that up before anything, you know.

I wanted to clear that up. That's all.

Should have done what you did at the beginning, but at the end.

Should have done what you did at the beginning.

What?

I don't get that.

You should have done what you did at the beginning.

Oh, you're saying I should... Okay, you're saying I should have asked him about why he...

Well, I wanted to introduce myself and I wanted to like

address, you know, how we came into contact, like how he even found out about who I am.

And the reason I brought it up is because as I was introducing myself, I was basically saying,

you know me because you called for my death.

You know?

That's how you know me.

And I feel like that should be cleared up.

And then once it became clear to me that he was but hurt about it,

I was like, I'm willing to move past it.

We can move past it.

You know?

I'm willing to move past it.

Let's move past it.

But he said, no, you're a bad faith actor. I'm not going move past it. Let's move past it. But he said, no, you're a bad faith actor.

I'm not going to engage you at all.

I don't know why, you know.

They weren't interested in debate.

They were just interested in lecturing Noah about gibber and then I joined

and he was like

you have to let me finish

just like dude

you've been going

on a monologue

this whole time

I'm here the The dynamic has changed.

Now it's a 2V2. We should address the elephant in the room and allow me to introduce myself

and then have an actual debate with 2V2, not 2V1, you know.

Should have been chill at first and turned up the heat.

He was already heated when I joined.

That's just the truth. He was already like butt hurt when I joined. That's just the truth.

He was already like butt hurt when I joined.

Couldn't you just not take the calls for your death so much personally?

I didn't really take it personal. It's just that I felt like it should be addressed because I wanted to know like, because I remember they were talking about moral systems for 10 or

15 minutes, okay? So I wanted it to be addressed because I wanted to know if that's part of their moral system

because they could they weren't going to just rehash all the shit they had said already to me

when i joined so i wanted to be clear since they're arguing about morality being fundamental,

I want it to be clear that this is part of their moral system.

That's it. Yeah, MIG is like, I feel like MIT is on point,

all right?

It couldn't

have gone

any other way

because look at

how he was

carrying himself

on X.

You want to

talk about

good faith

or bad faith

actors.

Look at this

shit he was

saying on his

ex, you know?

Max look at the shit he was saying on his ex you know Maximilian what's up you know if you want to have a debate

where we treat each other as good faith actors and it's just a

discussion I'm totally fine with that but I as good faith actors and it's just a discussion.

I'm totally fine with that.

But I do want it to be addressed.

Why you called for my murder.

That's it.

I just wanted it to be addressed.

He didn't want to address it.

I was even willing to move past that and have a good faith discussion.

When I clearly could tell that, like, he was bothered by that question, you know?

And, you know, guys, Maximilian, appreciate you.

He's going to choke me out on the mat.

But I kind of feel like I just, like, expose the bullshit.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Like, okay, we could have a debate talking about the metaphysical, axiological, moral commitments of the value system of a value is defined as a self-referential goal in which

the ends are defined by itself as something that is qualitatively good.

We could do that.

But why not do the working class thing?

Wrap it up and let's get to the fucking concrete point about what we're actually talking about

here.

You literally just called for me to be drone-striked for having a different opinion than you.

All right?

Cut the gibberber let's get to the meat and potatoes all right who has patience for jibber not me who has patience for gibber i don't

have patience for it i don't know if you guys have patience for it noah does have patience for jibber i don't have patience for it i don't know if you guys have patience for it noah does

have patience for it that's true all right let me see um hold on let me uh

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know, all right?

I don't know.

Like, from my perspective,

I felt like debate should have substance, all right?

I know gay liar is similar.

You know, he wants to gibber about metaphysics.

I want to talk about reality, you know, things that actually matter that are of consequence I have to, I need to see, I'm going to submit to the criticism of the E.B on that, all right.

I know Kyle really liked what I did, probably.

I want to know what everyone else thinks.

I don't know.

If I get criticized, I accept it.

I fully accept it.

I accept whatever judgment.

Um... accept whatever judgment. But we're going to confront the chairman.

He justified killing a statement full of civilians,

said he was going to call the IRS on you,

couldn't name a single capitalist society that wasn't predicated on violence,

then ran away all in the space of 10 minutes.

Easy, yeah, it's really the truth. I don't know.

I was not angry at any point in that debate.

Just understand that.

I was not angry at any point in that debate.

Was I having a little bit of fun debate was i having a little bit of fun was i having a little bit of fun just a little bit maybe i was it was lighthearted anyone anyone who's a real one

would have take took taking it like a would have laughed, and would have been chill about it.

All right.

Have a sense of humor.

Ha ha ha.

Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha yeah that shit about um about uh that shit can go viral you know the zionist his zionist bullshit that could go viral make sure to clip that guys put it on tic-tok and that shit can go viral for real

because he's a famous actor and he should be exposed for calling for the murder of 100,000

civilians i'm gonna confess i got it from the chat.

Someone, I don't know where I read it.

Someone was like, you should say, let me take a stab at it.

I stole that from someone from IG.

I stole the stab thing from IGG.

Ugh. IGB. I stole it.

But, uh...

You thought the EIN number was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

What a stupid boomer.

What a dumb boomer.

Oh, man.

Yeah, guys.

Again, I'm not offended or whatever that he said I should be killed.

I just want to know if it's part of his moral system he was talking about.

That's all.

It's all I wanted to know.

Woe one to me for having some basic questions.

Anyway, guys, I apologize if I hijacked a very intellectual discussion.

Anyway, let's, uh,

let's do our confront the chairman space.

And let's get the ops.

I need a co-host.

Kyle, if you're here.

Yeah. Kyle If you're here Bolshevik What's up?

Kyle if you're here

You would be a great co-host

Noah too

I don't know what Noah's doing

he's going to bed soon or something he said like some famous guy followed him i don't even know what that is

and then nan nan nan nan nan nan nan no no no, no, no, no,

na,

non, non, non, non, Isaiah Carter is that the guy's talking about

Isaiah Carter was like talking shit about me

I don't know

I don't know what that is

I don't know what's going on anymore. Okay. yeah he's gonna call everyone he's gonna call everyone

oh man

all right let's start the confront the chairman's base

okay

what a strange strange

world

this reminds me of the time

that I was trolling

I was trolling, um

I was trolling,

um,

what the fuck? Space.

Spaces, not live.

Alright, let's, um, front the chairman. start your space

all right here's the space let me share it with the discord so you Start your space. All right.

Here's the space.

Let me share it with the Discord so you can all share it with the world.

And if anyone can co-host like Kyle or anyone else from the EB or whoever Eddie, I don't know, or Rev or someone,

I don't know. Yeah, it reminds me the Dead Mouse thing, honestly.

So RTSG, maybe you can co-host. Is that Rev?

I invite to co-host.

Nah, nah, nah, nah,

I bet RTSG gets banned from everything, though, or blocked from everything.

Well, yeah, we're going to be doing another confront the chairman space i missed the last two so we have

some debt but uh you know we want to bring in uh people who have questions for the party

want to bring in people who have hostilities

to the party

and to me personally.

You know,

everyone who's been talking shit, everyone who's been

saying nonsense, this is your

chance to directly confront me.

And ask, you don't have to confront me you can ask questions you can

you know this is your opera I'm talking directly

to the masses to the people you know

so

who wants...

By the way, the DHS agents that are watching this, I hope it's entertaining for you.

Okay?

There's a reason there is a guerrilla army.

You know, there's a reasonrilla army you know there's a there's a reason some people because there are

wild things that happen on these streams like i debate the guy from lost for example

joseph let's bring jose on. What's going on?

What's going on?

I just wanted to say, I didn't want to confront you or anything.

I love watching your stuff on X.

I just wanted to say, good job and keep up the good word oh thank you brother

i appreciate it thank you uh if you see anyone requesting rev if that's you uh please bring them up

and uh yeah let's get right into it

let's get right into the meat and potatoes

uh there are clearly people

who talk badly about us.

This is your chance to...

And there's a lot of people that don't like us

because they argue with the guerrillas.

They argue with the...

The cultists, right?

Well, here's the cult leader

that you can confront directly.

Directly. You know know it's a it's quite the opportunity i extend to literally everyone to just confront me what you what do you have to say sometimes people are in

my replies hoping that i see, I don't always see them.

You can just tell me right now what you have to say with your own voice. That's the problem. A lot of people

don't want to use their voice. That's the problem. A lot of people don't want to use their voice.

That's really the issue. They don't want to use their voice.

I just had the guy from Lost, Jacob from Lost, say that he's going to choke me out.

Um... Um...

And...

That's just something that happened to me tonight.

Just one of the things, you know, that...

That...

I'm a very interesting person.

Very interesting gentleman, you know.

I travel the world.

I have famous Hollywood actors threatened to kill me.

A lot of interesting things going on in my life, to be honest.

It's quite the opportunity to speak with me, actually.

It's quite the opportunity.

Quite the opportunity to speak with such an interesting person.

Yeah, bring my... well, Michael's already said that he'll never speak to me again.

He'll never acknowledge I exist.

I'm basically dead to him.

He didn't even have to stab me.

That's how much he's transcended the need for, you know...

He is in the realm of the metaphysical moral system, the perfect one that doesn't exist in reality he can he can

i can be dead in his eyes he doesn't even need to stab me because he is euphoric because he isn't

euphoric and he's enlightened by his own intelligence.

Fated Daystar.

Let's see what's going on.

Fated Daystar, what's going on?

Go ahead.

Okay. Go ahead. Yo, Fated. What's going on?

I wanted to tell you that you completely besmirch your friends and your comrades' reputation on the debate tonight by insulting Michael Libibovitz and by

speaking on Mark Pellegrino

like a child

that I suppose

you are not supposed

to be if you

want to be a part of

something as big as a political party.

I'm honestly disappointed, not because I stand on Mark and Michael's side, which I do,

but because I came in there wanting to listen

to civilized men

talking civilizedly

with each other

and what I have gotten

since you have

busted in was just

a blah blah blah blah blah that's everything i have to say congratulations on ruining your party's reputation goodbye no stay

you'll stay right oh shila Bye. No, stay.

You'll stay, right?

Oh, she left.

I think she left.

Well, you know, I just think all I did, I had a question about him calling for my murder.

That's it.

And I said I was willing to move past it and he wasn't, you know?

So, I don't know if that was Ayn Rand herself. It kind of sounded like that was Ayn Rand herself.

But I just, you know, I feel like it was reasonable for me to ask why he called for my murder, even though I've done nothing, I've never killed anyone unlike his friend who stabbed someone.

And that's, you know, that's really, I mean, if i need to be murdered he's like oh well you you should be murdered because you kill people it's like well you're your your debate partners

stabbed someone so clearly you don't have the discernment to care about these things. I've never, I've never stabbed anyone,

you know. All I did was attend a funeral. Now I should be killed. I just wanted to get to

bottom of how that was compatible with his moral system. That's it. That's all. I don't know what the issue is. Um, but Ein Rand just came on herself. It's literally Ein Rand. She came on and, uh, she, yeah, she chewed me out uh uh rev is there anyone else requesting because i can only see cardy

like yeah there's no one else is this this, who is this Ross or Rev?

Yeah, yeah, that's Ross.

Oh, it's Ross.

All right, well, uh, okay.

Well, again, guys, I'm a very interesting person.

Like, look what just happened.

Look what just happened.

You know, Einrand herself literally just came on. Look what just happened. Look what just happened.

You know, Einrand herself literally just came on and chewed me out.

In the same night, Jacob from Lost told me he wants to kill me, choke me out iron rand herself also came on

and talked about how she was so disappointed So I'm a very interesting person to say the least. Okay. It's really a privilege to speak with me. You guys should be, say, you should be seizing upon this opportunity. You know, you should be seizing, seizing upon the opportunity to speak with me.

And also, you know, you guys are always fighting with the guerrillas all the time I see it.

So go fight with me directly, you know.

But in any case, we got a lot of celebrities out here we just we just antagonized a whole

network of people you know i don't honest to god all i wanted to know was whether it was consistent

with their moral system.

He said I was a bad faith actor.

I said he was a bad actor in general.

And that's just...

That's just how it went.

You know?

Eye for an eye.

You know?

But who will confront me?

Who will... You don't have to confront me. You can just ask me

a question. You can be passive-aggressive.

However, I mean, look, am I

a monster? Am I scary? Am I scaring you right now?

I'm a totally normal guy.

Completely normal, well-adjusted individual.

Who's getting death threats by Hollywood celebrities. normal, well-adjusted individual who's

getting death threats by Hollywood celebrities.

I am

such a normal, well-adjusted person

who's very calm. No one should be

afraid.

Man.

All right. All right, Cardi, I'll just bring you on, I guess. man all right

all right cardi i'll just bring you on i guess

quickly though because we're trying to get ops we're not trying to get

gorillas go ahead

all right can hear me

yeah okay

so my only question is why do do you say that communism is as American as apple pie?

Um, do you not know or well

yeah i mean i i was there i think the first time you said it

yeah but uh the whole time like every time you said it i think i always say that american pies

or sorry apple pie is british oh okay I see where you're coming from.

Well,

it's a figure of speech.

You know, it's talking about how

it's a very, it's a phenomenon

of it, which has deeper roots in this land,

you know, dating back all the way to

the, the first settlements,

the first, um, societies that came here from Europe. Also the, the societies of the, um,

the, the, uh, indigenous people as well, you know, so it's communism all around.

All right.

That's it.

Thank you.

For sure.

See you later.

Okay.

So, um...

Oh, also.

Oh, sorry.

I disconnected you too fast.

All right. That was literally not, that was not on purpose.

All right. Well, it's time to confront me, guys.

It's time to confront me.

It's time to...

It's time to speak directly to the person who's behind so much mental anguish for many people on this website.

Instead of tearing, you know, there was one guy who came, the Brazilian guy, he came on.

He was one of the people. Very brave.

Look, I'm a completely,

I'm not angry at all. I'm very calm, very normal.

All you have to do is come on.

Come embarrass me.

You can embarrass me as well.

It should be easy.

You should, you should, you should, you can own.

You can, you can tell a joke and make me completely destroyed.

But no one will even try.

I'm turning a new leaf.

I know I'm a very feared person.

I'm changing my image

because I'm being under official investigation.

So I'm a nice guy now.

Now that I'm under investigation, I become a nice man.

So whoever wants to speak to me, I promise I won't yell at you.

Because I'm officially under investigation, though.

Ross, really, there's no one. see no one yeah that's incredible that's incredible

that's incredible i don't even see any of our ops in the in the space i don't see then

henry finally we have someone What's going on?

I was just wondering Are you guys ever going to make an ACP

meme coin?

Oh no, why?

I just wanted to buy one maybe But i don't know if you guys make it i think it'd be pretty cool yeah it's not gonna happen

alright i'm a big fan i'm gonna drop down now. Okay, for sure. For sure.

So, you know, I don't know where the ops are.

You know, they seem very interested in talking about us and talking to guerrillas and replying and arguing.

But they don't come to these spaces ever.

And it is a reasonable time.

It's 8.51.

I am just a little surprised.

That's all.

I'm going to bring someone up.

Sure.

I'm going to bring someone up.

Sure.

Yes, perfect. up malls guy go yes perfect i've become Persian

Calm

Patient

No longer angry

Wait

Ross, you said someone's coming up?

Yeah, I don't know where he went. I approved him, then he left, I think.

What a fucking disaster.

Hmm.

You know how, like, no one ever confronts me they always just attack you guys i feel like they're trying to their whole point is like oh haz we're not going to even acknowledge haz he shouldn't even

be taken seriously.

But they get really angry at the fact that you guys take me seriously.

So they argue with you.

And it's like, you know, at this point, you should stop coping.

You should just debate me directly.

That's the only way.

If you want to get to the root of this entire thing

in terms of, you know, arguing with my supporters, you should just debate me.

But if you're afraid to do that, you know, I understand, because you're probably going to lose.

Just like

marketed.

He also lost

big time.

But I'm very calm.

I'm under official investigation now.

I've become a nice guy.

I've become Persian.

I'm not

Lebanese anymore. I don't get angry. I'm completely chill because I don't want to scare my DHS handlers.

And I am just here for civil conversation. Dialogue.

Adam from France.

That's correct.

Adam from France.

I'm just here for dialogue now.

Conversation.

Conversation and dialogue about the things that matter.

Very peacefully, by the way, very peacefully.

By the way, very peacefully. By the way, very calmly.

But even then, everyone's still afraid.

I'm trying to change my image.

I know I'm very feared.

I know people feel terrorized by me but now you should feel welcomed this is uh now the This is a... Now the IRS is also investigating me, by the way.

Dude, what's going on? Go ahead.

Go ahead unmute yourself.

This is the one person that had the courage, by the way.

Go ahead. Unmute yourself.

All right. Bring on the next person if there's anyone else requesting. Fuck, ACP.

Okay.

Let's develop that. Oh, he just left.

Okay. Well, he shared his opinion. It's a dialogue. It's a conversation. uh... let's let's develop that all he just left okay

well he he shared his opinion it's a dialogue it's a conversation

you know

very brave by the way

it takes a lot i know he had to rehearse that

many times he had to rehearse that. Many times.

Julian, go ahead, please.

Yeah, yeah, hi. Can you hear me okay?

Yes, I can.

Yeah, I'm not an opt or anything, but I have a question,

there was a tweet that went around recently,

and there was some guerrillas commenting on it.

I guess the tweet was like, it was like gender ideology.

It just sort of serves reactionary elements of the left wing or whatever.

I want to know what you thought about that.

More specifically about how to think about gender ideology and what it means

actually for us, you know? Did that make sense?

Um...

Yeah, I have many

gender ideas.

You know, it's a ideology.

And, you know, well, what do you think?

Oh, I mean, I agree with the tweet that I thought that the gender ideology just kind of a distraction from the more, you know, class-based stuff, I guess, yeah?

Well, I personally think that's really fascist to be honest

right which is what i thought also right

it's kind of like something hitler would say

but how did you like actually respond to that though like if you want to bring these people to us you know if you have something kind of like that you know if you go to a job site do you feel like you would ever you'd ever be put in a situation where you'd have to respond to someone getting upset by claiming that gender ideology is like retarded nonsense?

Personally, no, I don't, but not a lot of people do.

Right. And I think there's even, even on college campuses, I think there's a silent majority of people who just think it's retarded but are scared to say anything because they'll get yelled. I agree with that. I agree with that. I'm mentally ill people. Well, my, my view is that, you know, I don't want to, I don't like, I'm, I'm not personally here to

care about people's private lives.

I don't, you know.

But what do you think they call you fascists, though?

But on the other hand, you know, I don't

I don't...

I don't think there is such a thing as a gender ideology. I think gender is something that's

like, it's part of a culture. It's, it's... And materially speaking, I'm not just saying biology. I'm

saying it's part of culture objectively and that's not something

that is an idea

you know ideas are something much more abstract

so that's my response

basically it's like it's stupid to think

you can just make up

a gender it's not

how it works, you know,

frankly. I agree, but

why do you think people do, though? Like, why is such a big

issue for us, you think?

Mental illness.

Okay, fair enough, yeah. Really, mental

illness. It's a mental, it's family

problems and mental illness,'s a mental it's family problems and mental illness

honestly

um

that's just the truth

yeah

thanks for the talk man i appreciate that sure

i'm a big fan too

thank you appreciate okay so uh Ross, is there anyone requesting?

Yeah, I just tried to pull someone up before they actually joined.

Maybe.

You can hear me?

Yeah.

Okay, because I've been meaning to ask a question about people referring to the ACP as a racist party or a white Eurocentric party.

Okay.

So I want to ask about the ACP's position on the relationship between African-Americans and the white working class as a distinct people and culture who find unity in their alienated relationship to capital because lefters on the internet fearmonger about fascism coming to the United States from the perspective of the African Americans,

fascism has been here as a reactionary, violent, anti-revolutionary force that defends capital.

So my question would be, do you believe that the path for African Americans to socialism is the same as the white working class?

Or do you assess their path to be distinct from the white working class as race as an abstract concept?

I don't know. I don't know if there's a monolithic white working class

because just about any factor you go to in this country,

any blue collar working class job site,

there's quite a few black people.

You know, there's quite a few non-white people and i don't see the

distinctions being as pronounced as they are there versus um versus elsewhere i understand there are

our unique forms of historical national memory that black people in America have that white people don't.

And, you know, so what I believe is that we believe in a unified working class movement. We don't

believe in separating it into different ethnic

enclaves.

This is, you know, I would refer to

the writings of Stalin when he

critiqued Bundism and Zionism.

That being said, it's okay for black people to have unique culture and unique forms of national historical memory. We would like that national historical memory to be linked up with a broader unified historical memory. And it's all one history, you know, it's all one history you know it's all one nation

there's different parts of that nation that are disunited we'd like to unite them

so that's our view on it we believe in one nation okay because um as you said that the african-american community is distinct from as in like having their own culture and history right but you not believe it's still an american one though that's the yeah for sure i i completely agree with you but like from like the african-american perspective

um for example the uh american flag has a different meaning um if you're white

american versus a black american so do you believe actually let me just ask the question like this

yeah do you believe that af me just ask the question like this do you believe that

African Americans are a colonized

people within

the

United States

with like in terms of the

relationships to like obviously

Africa capital and imperialism as like the relationships to like obviously Africa, capital

and imperialism as like the school

to prison pipeline for example. I think they are people that have

been deprived

of any economic stake in

the state and the country

through civil society.

And that's principally the thing.

It's about a developmental inequality

that's a consequence of exclusion

from having a stake in the country.

But I don't know if I would say they are unique.

If they're colonized, I don't know how that would be.

I think the whole country is colonized by financial capital.

For sure.

And so in that light, maybe I could see where you're coming from, but I don't subscribe to the view that they're a separate nation.

I mean, they are, like, from my perspective, I would say they're a separate nation i mean they are like from my perspective i would say they're

colonized uh because of race as an institution in the united states because i obviously

believe in the same thing you believe as like people in general all over the world are

colonized by the alienation of capitalism

is the emergence of modernity but because of the racial institutions that exist within the

united states and how the development of like the white american consciousness is completely different from the African Americans.

I think, I believe that from my perspective that the relationship is different.

Our view is that there's one American nation with different parts and different components.

And that's just how we see it.

I mean, we don't focus on race because we try to get to the material basis of things.

And why there is such a distinct

reality for black people in America

is principally because

it's a different part of the history of one nation.

Part of that history of this one nation is a huge portion

of people that were formerly enslaved.

And then upon being emancipated from slavery, they were never actually given a freehold stake economically in the country.

They were given equal political

rights over the course of time.

But the process

in which, you know, the people

acquire an economic stake,

that didn't happen.

But it did happen

for... First of all, I i'll tell you it happened for white people because of the um

Ellis island immigrants were definitely uh because of the labor movement principally were roped in and given all these benefits and so on,

following the new deal.

You hear me?

And the thing is, is that people that...

Can you hear me?

Yes.

Because I can't hear anything.

Okay.

Well, I don't know.

There seems to be audio issues.

This seems to be a very long discussion and topic.

I don't know if we have time to exhaust all of it,

because I really don't want to repeat what I just said.

Wait, can you hear me? Because I can't hear anything at all actually we i don't really we could have this

discussion later i guess because i guess it's not the time ross please um i mean to finish my thought

if for anyone else interested i I guess, because I cut it short.

Having a economic existence is about having land.

You know, what people in Lebanon are fighting for is land.

You know, it's always, everything's land.

It's all about land, you know.

And a portion of our nation has been deprived of that.

Because there were all these dynamics in which been deprived of that.

Because there were all these dynamics in which the population was able to be divided because of the history of the labor movement.

Because people who descended from slaves were utilized, you know, the same dynamics with immigration that was there as well.

They were utilized, capitalists utilized racism to divide white and black people because of that,

because descendants of slaves, you know, would work for lower wages, for example, because they were migrating from the South. So these dynamics, because of the New Deal, this is what created the situation we know of as far as the

racial situation. But we

don't like to divide America into different

nations. It's not our

view. Paul, go ahead. I brought someone up.

Hello?

Yeah. Hi. I just want, I just want to ask because I've been doing a lot of my own, like, research and all this, because most of the groups I'm in are very anti-the-party and stuff, and how I tend to be as well.

But, and the main reason I am

and the main reason I want to ask

is what

what like

what like what do you support about dogan

like why is he part of

like

the reading lists

and he's listed

as a main inspiration

because from my

perspective, and what I've read

for him. I have to correct you. Doogan is not

on any American Communist Party reading list.

Is he not? I guess, I

don't know, I thought I saw that. But I do want to ask

does the party? Hold on. I don't know. This is I saw that. But I do want to ask, does the party?

Hold on. I don't know. This is the issue. There's so much

misinformation that's going around.

Okay. He is not on any reading

list at all for the American Communist Party.

No, he's not. Okay.

Okay.

So already, there are presumptions

you know that are based on

people spreading lies

that aren't rooted in fact

okay

if you want to know

I'm surprised about that

because I

that seems to be such like a big prominent thing that I've heard.

You've heard it because of my personal engagement with Dugan, but that has nothing to do with the party.

The party is not...

The only binding canonical literature and theory within the party is Marxism-Leninism.

Everything else is speculative, and maybe there's a hope, and this is separate from the party,

that can help lead and guide a new synthesis of Marxism-Leninism.

But that has to be proven concretely through practice, not through metaphysics.

So if you want to ask me why I engage with Dugan personally, I'm willing to oblige your question.

But please, let's not get the facts wrong.

All right.

Because the part of-

I would also like to ask that, because I would have asked that anyway, even if there was.

But I do want to explore that

because I personally

I've read Dugan stuff I've watched a lot of interviews with him

I cannot see how

he is on the left in any way

other than just by name of

well was Frederick Hagle on the left

was Emmanuel Kant on the left was Frederick Hagel on the left?

Was Emmanuel Kant on the left?

Was, you know, were the thinkers that Marx drew from politically in agreement with him about everything?

Almost none of them.

It's actually, I can't even really think of a single major intellectual who influenced and shaped marxist thinking that drew the same political conclusions marks did relative to the time he lived in

and it's very important that one understands when it comes to philosophy and theory and when it comes to

wanting to develop a worldview that is correct and true you do not define that on the basis of whether people have drawn the same

political conclusions as you. You define it on the basis of the content of what they're saying,

and ultimately what rational kernel is there that can be salvaged or maybe can't be salvaged.

But in any case, this idea that a thinker should be dismissed because they had wrong political views is extremely reductionist.

Because you're making the assumption that because they drew a wrong concrete conclusion, that means there is absolutely nothing with respect to their premises that can be salvaged. But that actually isn't true. People could get 90% of it correct, and then it's that 10% that led them to go in the wrong direction when it came to their conclusion

Marx himself had the same view that I'm telling you now when it came to salvaging the rational kernel within a diverse array of different thinkers

who may have not have drawn the fully correct conclusion, but were onto something, right?

And Marx was able to rationally explain what actually was the active animating principle behind the development of their thought that actually did contribute to history

Adam Smith wasn't a communist very few of the people in classical political economy were communists

marks engaged with all of them likewise Hegel was not a communist. He defended the status quo of the Prussian monarchy, and he believed in constitutional monarchy, right? But to say that Hegel can be thrown out wholesale because he drew wrong political conclusions is an absurdity from the perspective of Marxism.

So before we talk about Dugan, let's not have a debate about whether Dugan is correct politically or not politically,

or whether he's on the left or whether he's on the right.

Let's talk about the content of Dugan's actual thinking and his philosophy and what that actually amounts to.

And if there's a refusal to engage with that in good faith,

because you want to pin him down and associate him with things that are bad politically,

I don't even think it's possible to engage with the question of what draws me to Dugan's thinking?

Well, yeah, that wasn't what I was intending, because I've read a lot about Dugan, I've read a lot of Dugan.

What have you read by him?

Well, I mainly watched a lot of interviews that he's done honestly

okay so you haven't read his books though right let me look up let me look up one of his uh

because i know i read like a few pamphlets or something, but I can't, I don't necessarily remember everything.

He's written books, you know?

He hasn't just written pamphlets.

He's actually written books.

Yeah.

But I just mainly, I just mainly worry because I just, I don't know, I just want to get the perspective

of you because I, there's just so much on the internet and it, you know, like, the more I, like,

join these, like, Q&As and stuff, and the more I listen, the more, like, the, I don't know,

people that are in my group that I'm part of.

I'm just going to give it to you straight. There are actual feds out there who are just making sure that people, when they Google us or when they ask around about us, that they're given lies so that, you know, go no further.

Don't, don't study any further.

Don't research any further.

Don't engage any further.

They're fascists turn around.

So that's the whole purpose, you know, behind that.

Yeah.

Well, I don't know, because that's, that's, that was mainly my big thing. Yeah. Well, I don't know, because that's, that's, that's, that was mainly my big thing with the party that I, that I really didn't enjoy. But now that like, I'm like, like, asking you personally. Well, look, I would, it makes a lot, it makes a lot more sense. I would simplify my interest in Dugan as follows. On the one hand, you can understand that Marxism in the West, in its intellectual and theoretical development, seems to be premised on a basis of a uniquely and specific form of Western metaphysics.

And this is an assumption that is baked in

to most readings of Marxism that

we have into the West.

And on the other hand,

that precise foundation, which

is an inceptual kind of

background of all

thinking, of all the premises we have that the step one of thinking itself

right that is something that dougan calls into question when he has this notion that there are

other metaphysical horizons behind thought now of course as marxist we reject metaphysics but the notion that there is a discursive fundamentally different discursive cultural and ontological background behind our thinking our

discourse and our ideologies across different civilizations is very true and i think it's something that's almost intuitive.

Things, for example, in Russian politics, don't neatly map on or even totally make sense within the context of American politics.

The same is true relative to China and the Middle East and other civilizations.

So there is a difference between these civilizations, not anything innate or essential when it comes to biology or something, but a difference that comes from the step one of thinking itself.

The very background, the ontological background behind discourse seems to be different.

You know, the patterns of thinking, the ultimate reference of rational discourse seems to point to different

uh different implicit um uh variations of the absolute or logos right so dougan very artfully draws this out and and attempts to uh devise a kind of

conceptual framework in which this could be understood.

And of course I don't fully agree with it, but I definitely think he has a point.

And I definitely think this should have implications for Marxism.

We should attempt to discern a materialist rational kernel from this fact.

And why precisely it's materialist is because what we're really talking about is the fact that logos right should not be taken for granted metaphysically but is in fact something that has to be reproduced and something which is therefore material material. It is concretely

material. The background

of our discourse is

concretely material. That

means our discourse, our

free inquiry with

the use of thought, is

not just for free. It is embedded within a material context.

Different forms of social existence are rooted in different concrete forms of material social existence.

And that is very consistent not only with the logic of Marxism, but the logic of Marxism,

Leninism in particular, because the whole premise of socialism in one country is that each country represents a different substantive

socius a different form and different context of history and social existence so that's why in an

interview Stalin even said that communism is possible in one country. He did say that. He said especially in a country like ours, the Soviet Union. Because instead of this notion of one blanket unilateral metaphysical horizon of social existence social existence is something concrete now in Stalin's case in the form of the country right so that leads us to the question of what that actually is what is a country what does make a people a unified civilization or a country or one context for the development of history right and that is exactly question that do get? And that is exactly

question that Dugan interrogate.

That's exactly a question that Dugan interrogates

in really interesting ways.

So, that's basically

where I'm coming from

when it comes to Dugan.

That makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, yeah.

I see that because when people talk about Dugan

and when I've heard about Dugan, it's very, like,

they tend to just say the basics of like

how right-wing he is

and how radical

socially he is

but I definitely see that perspective

and then also like towards the end there

by the way do you guys

this is another thing

it needs to be understood, okay?

It's about context.

Inside Russia,

Dugan's social views are not really radical.

They're very normal.

It's not something that's extreme.

And that's why

a lot of people who

say their leftists will go and say, well, Russia's

a reactionary right-wing society.

Or Lebanon

is a fundamentally reactionary

right-wing country, or Iran is,

or China is, or whatever. and I just fundamentally reject that.

I reject the view that just because societies are different than Western ones, that that somehow

means we can reduce them to our value systems and map them onto our political compasses and reduce them to that.

I just reject that.

I understand that.

So, I mean, that's where a lot of the...

And if you want to know the truth about where it originates, it's the MI6, who's had it out for

Dugan, not only had a hand in giving the

SBU information

pertaining to assassinating

him, and what they did is they killed

his daughter, but it was intended to kill

him. That's

them. The MI6 really hates Dugan a lot.

And anyone who's associated with Dugan in their view needs to be totally canceled and axed and whatever.

And it all comes from the MI6.

Yeah, that's really interesting. I appreciate that. Yeah, for sure. Okay, well, yeah, thanks for, uh, coming on. Thank you. you got someone else coming up sure mark go ahead what's up go ahead go ahead mark Go ahead, Mark.

Oh, sorry about that. I was muted.

So I've got two quick questions.

First one is, what is the intended relationship between ACP and SolidNet?

I understand there was some chatter about that,

but, you know, I like a little more, you know, international...

So all I can tell you is stay tuned.

All right. Second question.

So, uh,

this relates more to theory and,

um, theory and positioning so i think

you personally have a good head on your shoulders you got a good

a lot of reading under your belt but uh why does your name have to be on the

box and this this kind of applies more to acp in general. There's a lot of... On the what?

On the box, like the serial box.

Like, is this weedies?

So, Marxism and Leninism is, of course, science.

And if a scientific theory is correct, it'll prevail no matter who's saying it.

And my question is

there's like a lot of talking heads at the top of the

ACP, so why does their face

have to be on the box? It just seems

like an extension of American chauvinism.

Can you

clarify what box you're talking about?

What I mean is, why does your face have to be on the theory if the theory is correct?

Not you personally, but the top talking heads of these.

By my face, do you mean literally my face, or my identity as a person, an individual?

More the latter, yeah.

So, like, if your idea...

The thing is that I am not the official philosopher of ACP.

Our ideological, theoretical position is in our constitution, and it's something that, you know, was a, something that's very much open-ended. It's just

about the historical integrity of Marxism, Leninism. If people see me as the

face of the party, that's on them. Sometimes people see Jackson as the face. Sometimes they see Eddie

as the face. Sometimes they see um,

uh, sometimes they see Rev as the face, uh,

you know, when he's,

and he's the chief

of the NKVD. So in any case,

uh, we can't

control what, who's on the box, you know? All we can control control who's on the box. All we can control is what's in our Constitution.

All right, thank you. That's it for my questions. Yeah, for sure so Cesar

bring on Cesar Waiting for that to go through are they not

is it not

are they not going to join uh

ross anyone else is requesting

yeah we got someone else

i don't know if he's a gorilla or not though

bring him i think he is

oh fuck

oh it's uh I think he is. Oh, fuck.

Oh, it's Kyle.

Okay.

By all means, I've joined the ACP,

and I've been having a fun time, like,

dealing with it and all that.

But I'm not asking part of the ACP.

I'm just asking for a friend of mine that has

unfollowed me. She had a question.

Okay.

Let me look it up.

Okay.

The it up. Okay. The ACP Communist Party program is far too conservative in scope and doesn't properly

address the capitalist mode of production or the transition to

for-use production or communist society

that was her main critique

other than Jackson Hinkle's

mean tweets

Who is this friend of yours or can you not name them

They go like Bray

They're a French communist They They mainly do like spacepost and stuff. Please don't. No, no, I was just curious. It's okay. It doesn't matter. I would say that I'm kind of surprised by that because we don't name it theoretically and couching it in abstract theoretical language, but more concretely, our program is pretty radical in the sense that it does directly talk about a post-monetary economy,

post-capitalist economy

that utilizes information

technologies

to plan industry.

And

with respect to the question

of, you know,

like facilitating or removing the fetters to the development of a society based in use value rather than exchange value, I don't know what in concrete terms we could have put that would be more conducive to that, you know?

I mean, that's fair enough.

That's all I had to say on the part of my friend asking a question that didn't want to input herself into this space.

That's all I'd say.

Okay.

Yeah, sure.

Thank you.

So, Ross, is there anyone else requesting?

Just that Joseph guy from earlier. All right. Is there no else requesting? Just that Joseph guy from earlier.

All right.

Is there no one else?

I don't see anyone.

I'm going to try and buy people. mark wants to go back on. Who's...

Okay.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I've got a...

I thought of another question.

So,

so I understand there was a

There was a fallout with CPUSA a while back, but how does ACP understand the possibility of working with CPUSA for basic work, like the lowest level of United Front

collaborative. They would never, uh, they would never entertain it. And, um, constitutionally,

we regard ourselves as the reconstitution of the party. So if we were to compromise

that, we would have to compromise the entire party. I mean, that being said, if the so-called

leaders of the CPUSA wanted to enter into negotiations

about some kind of unity

of some kind

you know they know where to find us

it's just not going to happen they won't do it

I actually

so I spoke

with Joe Sims the other day in person.

And the communication was, well, he said that we'll work with anybody.

But, you know, there's probably asterisks around that.

But, you know, I don't know on what terms

it would be but like putting up a table

and passing out literature I mean

I mean

they know where to

they know where to contact us

and that's all I'll say

everything else would be

said in private

but you know it's a shame because Joseph I'll say. Everything else would be said in private.

But, you know, it's a shame because Joe Sims, before we

launched ACP, wanted

to talk to some of

the guys for Midwestern Marx, and then he cancelled

it. But

we are not in need of speaking to him.

We're not in need of anything,

but we are open to dialogue with, by the way, PSL as well,

and anyone who so deigns to be interested in that.

So we're not shutting any doors of dialogue and conversation.

Thank you for that openness. That ends my questions.

Sure. Yeah, thank you.

So we have Amersicle triangle.

Yo, me?

Yeah.

All right. I got one question to ask

okay

uh what do you think about black nationalism

and like new africa and shit like that

um

i don't know too much about new Africa, but I think we are interested in black nationalism as a historical phenomena.

And we regard it as a legitimate expression of American national consciousness

throughout history

basically is how we see it.

Oh,

we ask you one more,

one more.

What do you think

like,

I don't know if you've answered

this question before

because I don't follow out too much

what do you think about like

Canada's independence

like

to say like

a hypothetical socialist

United States like would you

try to incorporate Canada for like force

or something shit?

If we

seized power, I think Canada

would probably be a launching pad for

NATO and for the counter-revolution.

So I think it would be inevitable.

But if

you're asking about the current administration's

ideas about Canada, we are very careful and not necessarily...

We're very cautious when it comes to that. We don't know what the agenda is when it comes to that.

And we think that it would lead to a reconstitution of the U.S. as we know it.

And such a reconstitution, obviously, would entail

it could entail

the calling into question

the legitimacy of the state itself

so we don't

we're waiting and to see what's going on

but we don't

we are not particularly fond of uh encroaching upon

the principle of national self-determination and throwing that out of the window we take that principle

very seriously and as all marxas lennon is throughout history have.

All right.

Yeah.

Thanks, that's some other questions.

I appreciate it, man.

Yeah, thank you.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, good luck with the rest of the same.

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

All right.

Ross, is there anyone else?

No. No one else there anyone else? No.

No one else?

I'm inviting people, but no one else is requesting.

All right.

Well, we might wrap this up soon.

Might actually wrap this up soon.

Yeah, it was an interesting night to say the least.

Okay, Isaiah, Chinese Jesus, interesting name. Go ahead, Isaiah. Chinese Jesus. Interesting name.

Go ahead, Isaiah.

Isaiah, go ahead and meet yourself.

Oh,

what's up?

Yeah, what's up?

I'm sorry, I just saw there was a space.

I'm not sure what's going.

It's a question and answer about what?

ACP.

Right.

Right.

Okay. Yeah, cool. I. Right. Okay.

Yeah, cool.

I used to be in it.

I got kicked because I was talking shit on Twitter.

You used to be in the party?

Mm-hmm.

What chapter?

Los Angeles.

Southern California.

Were you the guy that said he was going to punch me?

No, I never

threatened violence against anyone.

It was around the... I don't know

if this is tacky to talk about, but

it was around

some controversy with

Nicky and

a dude named Edwin.

I don't know anyone named

Edwin, but Nicky's

not in the party, though, so I don't know what.

Yeah, well, I was like talking shit about them um

and who was it it was

Kyle Petty's he like called me over

he was like you're being a professional

um

and yeah i don't know i mean

kyle would have to be here and talk about what exactly happened but i don't know what

i was just talking some bad shit pretty much i was

you know it's

it's whatever.

Okay. So, Pinky, go ahead, please.

Oh, hey.

So I've, I've, um,

I've, um, already come across the ACP. So I'm just, as someone who's not really familiar with them, like, what's your pitch for the ACP for people who might not be, uh, well acquainted with your ideas

Well, we're doing our best to actually build a communist party We're not perfect

But we don't see how this can be done without someone doing it and taking the leap

And we are, we permit a wide array of diverse

views. We permit the principle of freedom of criticism. We simply insist upon the principle of

collective discipline when it comes to action.

Our party is much more democratic than people think it is.

And with the launching of our Central Committee in May, it's going to even be more democratic.

And I think people should give it a chance.

And you need to weigh, you know, the question of whether disputes about subjective opinion are more important

than the principle of collective

organization itself, which we are trying

to give expression to in the most neutral

with respect to the diversity

of different views on communism

and Marxism, Leninism,

a neutral way.

You know, our party, our only ideology that's in our Constitution is called the unified

tendency of Marxism-Leninism, which insists upon recognizing the legitimacy and validity of the

various forms of socialism and proletarian dictatorship across different contexts, you know.

And we're building off of that foundation, you know.

If you regard the history of communism as legitimate in the 20th century then congratulations you're in the same boat with us objectively so you should engage in the step one of committing to a practical collective organization that seeks to build off of that foundation.

And as far as what it will add, that's an open door. We're not prescribing anything. We're just trying to get to the bottom of what it means to be a communist right now today.

I think that many people who identify as MLs who are against us take for granted the fact that there are so few of us, that the majority of the people that they're relying upon to target attacks against us, are not Marxist Leninists. They're Trotskyites. They're anarchists.

They're liberals. And at the end of the day, committing to the defense of communism historically and in the 21st century is no small feat.

And taking seriously this history is no small feat, you know?

You should put your disagreements with us aside and prioritize the shared acknowledgement of the fact that communism has been tried and it was great.

That is a more important contradiction than disagreeing with some of our personalities about cultural issues.

Um, so that's really what I would say.

Um, can I ask a question about, you know, just how the party functions.

When I was in it, I feel like a major roleblock that the things my chapter was running into was getting, I know we wanted to start like small businesses to like create funding from the ground up, but I feel like that's kind of like difficult to do when there's not like invent, like, um, like a starting capital.

Mm-hmm.

Is not easy and it takes a year minimum and i see i mean chapters are already

well into the process of that as we speak uh the fact that the businesses haven't launched yet

is of no surprise because they you cannot start a business

overnight there's no way uh but california in particular is already well underway in the process

of forming businesses so i don't know when you left, but this is how...

It's been over a month, but yeah.

Yeah.

Well, this is how things stand out pessimists.

Please go ahead.

Hey, can you hear me?

Yeah.

All right, thanks for letting me up.

I've got a couple questions.

My first question being, as far as your foreign policy in terms of foreign aid and the many, many hundred military bases across the world, what are your plans with that?

As far as...

It's in our program that we call for a complete dismantlement of u.s imperialism

wholesale

so that includes shut down every single base

yep

awesome okay and my other question your future aspirations for your party Yep. Yep. Awesome. Okay.

And my other question, your future aspirations for your party, when could we see any of you guys on a ballot, whether at the local, state or federal level, what are your future aspirations? It probably wouldn't be the E.B.

Although Halali is already in office.

But we're going to begin the process of fielding candidates sooner than many think.

Oh, I'm sorry.

You cut out for me, Haas.

Say that again, brother?

Halali is already in a position of office, elected office, but we will probably have candidates being fielded sooner than people think.

And as far as, as like you are Jackson?

No, probably not.

Probably not. Okay. You guys probably like more in the background like... Well, we have the, we have responsibility to be leaders of the party.

Yeah. Not leaders of, um, municipalities or something

gotcha

okay

thank you for sure

so Pinky is there anything else or

I was just wondering what other I was the organizing else?

I was just wondering what are the organizing you're doing because most of what I've seen

is like you guys picking up the litter and stuff like that

and that doesn't seem like I don't see

how that's really contributing like a lot.

Okay, well, you can

go on our main, ACP main, or check

our website and you'll see that we engage in labor

organizing. We engage

in other forms of community service quite often.

And by the way, this is the regular forms of activity we engage in and partake in. And to be

honest, I think even picking up litter, as you call it, is much more effective than just

only protesting and holding up signs.

Because in one case,

when you're cleaning up trash in a local community,

I don't think there's even a single example

where the people walking by aren't thanking

the guys wearing communist hats for their service.

If you're a protester disrupting traffic, I think everyone just hates you.

You're not bringing glory or dignity to the name of communism in any kind of way.

So with what little effect real life activity, you know, spreading the message of communism can have, because let's be honest, the internet reaches way more people, doing community service is much more effective than disrupting traffic.

By the way, I'm scrolling through your account, and it's just like, are you like AI or something?

Me?

Yeah. No, why would I be an AI? Yeah.

No? Why would I be an AI?

Uh, because, like, your tweets are very strange.

I mean, I'm partially a troll account, so that's probably why, but... Right, but I don't... It doesn't even, like, make sense. It's, like, really just strange.

Oh, okay.

Be headless or

Admit Stalin was a bad person

Interesting

A trade like this

But what?

I don't know

What that

What that

I like this, but what? I don't know. What that?

Um,

that's just,

um,

a lingo.

A lingo in my,

yeah.

And you're from London?

Yes.

And do you drink tap water or no?

Sometimes.

Do you?

No, definitely not.

Where are you from?

I'm from Detroit.

What's it like in Detroit?

Well, we know better than to drink the tap water, usually.

I mean, yeah, in Michigan, that's probably not a good idea.

It's probably not a good idea in London either.

Wait, so do you want me to explain what trade is?

I don't...

Sure.

So a trade is like... it's basically like fine shit.

It's like kind of like fine.

Yeah, can you explain what you mean by that?

Yeah, so it's like a fine, it's like a fine shit.

And it's like they um you know you know what fine shit is

i'm struggling to understand the relevance here.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I didn't really have any further questions, so... Okay, well...

Noah, go ahead.

Hello. Yeah. I was going to ask

with the amount that the U.S. economy is now

propped up with, you know, the fire sector and

the dominance of the dollar.

I was wondering what you thought would happen after a theoretical

communist takeover.

If we would lose that kind of

thing that's propping us up, what

work would look like for average.

It would be about building great big mega projects for industrialization.

And you mean like infrastructure or?

Yeah, infrastructure industry, you name it. or yeah

infrastructure

industry

you name it

we'd build

a thousand

magnetagorsks

anyway

anything else

no

okay

goodbye

uh

all right

christopher go ahead

okay soz I have two questions for you goodbye. All right, Christopher, go ahead.

All right, Taz. I have two questions for you. Why would you go on

LARP trips to Russia and Iran

instead of funding the party

from the top down?

That's one.

Two, why are you such a

fucking idiot to post about it

and get fucking investigated publicly

sorry

when did I go to Iran

whatever the most recent

trip you just went on.

Okay, was that Iran?

Does it matter? Why would you go

on LARP trips to Russia and fire RPGs?

Did I buy an RPG?

Did not say by

Haas, I did not say you bought an RBG.

Your butt hurt has gotten a hold of you.

Yes, no.

I'm butthurt because I was a member of the party

and the party is worthless

and we're picking up trash and doing nothing.

Instead of you turning that money into the party,

you go and fund it on stupid trips

to self-engrandize yourself.

Yeah.

Okay. So the $2,000, I spent on the Russia trip.

What would you like?

Yeah, that's $2,000 that would have better spent in the party, absolutely.

How? Give me, what should it have been spent on?

Tell me.

Well, let's take a look

at the,

the initiatives that you were trying to,

right.

You think $2,000 is going to start a business?

The business initiatives, yes, yes.

More so than any of the money,

more so than any of the money,

that your poor members could I will empty my entire.

I will empty more so than any of the money.

I will empty my entire bank account.

The four members in a chapter could pull together.

Absolutely.

Okay.

So throw, so let's say you need at least 50 to100,000 to start a business. What use is it in me throwing $2,000 in that and hoping that's just going to increase?

Where are the four members in a party chapter supposed to get $100,000 to start a business? Can you please tell me that?

We're not asking them to get $100,000 to start a business. Can you please tell me that? We're not asking them to get a $100,000. You're telling me how I should spend my money. And I'm trying to ask you how I should spend it.

You just said I should do it to fund business initiatives. I've never been... Yes, absolutely.

I've never been given the request that, hey, Haas, we need this $2,000 for this business.

Can you hand it?

I've never heard of that.

Can you...

So be specific.

What specific business initiative needed my money in that moment instead of...

Well, let's...

Okay, I was a part of the Michigan chapter, for example.

We were talking for weeks and weeks in meetings about starting a food truck.

$2,000 could have purchased the food truck.

We could have contributed the money.

So why didn't you ask me for buy the food i'm in michigan why didn't you ask me for the for the money if you're short in two thousand dollars because

there's no through line to you there's no through line to you okay well there is one now is in

there where you just made an ass of yourself?

Absolutely not.

Yeah.

In any case, my trip to Russia in no way took resources from the party.

I spent thousands and thousands just on the event alone.

And not even to speak of the launch, by the way, which almost bankrupted me.

So this idea that, you know, I'm spending all the money on foreign trips is nonsense.

It's just that from the party center right now, my personal, my personal finances do...

You know what? I actually want to entertain this. I want to entertain this. Chris, let's talk about my trip to Lebanon. Do you actually think... Excuse me. That's what I meant. Yes. Do you think that my trip to Lebanon did less for the party than me throwing, giving you $2,000 to buy a trip?

Do you think your trip to Lebanon did anything for the party?

Is there anything materially that you can show for?

Absolutely.

Is there anything materially that you can show for it?

Absolutely, it did a lot for

our party, a lot.

And what is that?

Absolutely drove

an unprecedented amount of interest

toward our party.

Both controversial. And where is that quantifiable? Where is that quantifiable? In new recruits, of interest toward our party both controversial

where is that

quantifiable

where is that quantifiable

in new recruits

you fucking moron

how many did we get

from us

could you show

no I don't need to show

anything

it's just that you're making

assumptions

and sound like an idiot

because you're talking

out of your ass dude okay you sound really stupid right now

if you're saying uh that there's no you're smart and i'm done yeah you're really stupid um

the idea yeah the idea that our party didn't benefit is just fucking stupid.

If our party didn't benefit, it could you...

Let me ask you a question.

If our party didn't benefit by it, why didn't the entire industry?

Can you demonstrate how it benefited other than just saying so?

How did the fact that Fiorella and an entire network of alt media journalists with hundreds of thousands of followers all had to coordinate to attack our party because of that?

What were they so threatened by?

Why were so, why did so many people feel threatened by the fact that I was there?

Perhaps because it actually demonstrates the authenticity of our party and fights back against

the disinformation and propaganda, which tries to paint us as aligned with imperialism and Zionism.

Your goalpost shifting.

Yeah, we're living in a country where there's...

I can tell you materially.

You said new recruits. How many new recruits?

You are so butt-heard and asser.

You need to shut your bitch ass mouth up and let

me speak. You fucking child.

The fact of the matter is that there's

an entire generation in this country

which has been inspired by the forces

of resistance in light of the

crimes of the Zionist entity in Palestine.

And the fact that we showed our solidarity with those forces in the way that we did,

attending that funeral, really gave us a lot of legitimacy and credibility for this new generation.

And if you can't understand that, because you aren't able to directly quantify it in terms of money

or recruits, which we did get a lot of recruits from it, by the way, but it's immaterial.

That's on you.

You're just a short-sighted, narrow-minded fucking moron who doesn't even understand how our party gained the relevancy that it did in the first place, that you yourself joined. If it wasn't for the fact of discourse mattering and the information war mattering not only would there not be an

american communist party there probably wouldn't have been any communist party in history because

lenin himself said as much that the newspaper the only form of media that they had back then, by the way, was literally the foundation and the nucleus of the organization, of the communist organized.

At that moment's time, they called it the Social Democratic Party.

That is the foundation of party building. It all starts with the newspaper, according to Lenin, being able to actually communicate and reach people and tap into consciousness.

So if you think that's not relevant, I don't know what to tell you. Your ass hurt that you joined a new party that wasn't immediately a mass movement of millions of people because you're a lazy bitch who couldn't actually commit the effort to actually investing in something

that's not immediately successful

in the way you want it to be. You don't want

to work for it. You just wanted to all

be delivered to you on a fucking silver

platter so that you could cross

your arms and say, oh, I'm in a big

giant Communist party,

but I don't want to have to sacrifice and actually join the rest of us

to actually struggle and fight to build it.

You are a lazy, worthless bitch,

and I have absolutely no respect for you as a human

being. Now I'll unmute you.

All right. So when you show...

Go ahead. Unmute yourself.

Okay. I just want to make clear I've been around since 2021 or so.

I don't give a fuck who you are. I've seen the rise of the party. Excuse me. I'm talking now. It's your turn to shut up. Thank you.

Yeah, I don't think you understand when you raise. When you raise, excuse me, when you're going to speak to me this you. I don't think you understand the authority is.

You're not going to speak to me this way.

You're a fucking nobody. You're a piece

of dirt. You should be groveling

on your knees

thanking me with

all of your might.

Kissing the floor that my feet stand on that i even give a

fucking cockroach like you the opportunity to speak to me why don't you fucking calm down a little bit chris

and speak with some respect

go ahead

go ahead unmoat yourself when you raise that material gain had been had from your visits

abroad and then you don't back them up by saying that's okay well we had X amounts of recruits

how many recruits would satisfy that how many recruits would satisfy a material

I don't know and I just want to know that's exactly my point you don't. You don't understand what a reasonable expectation for growth would be relative to our recruitment

drive, relative to the rate of growth of our party in the first place.

You don't have any insight into that whatsoever.

So I'm not even going to entertain your question of giving

you an exact number because it would be meaningless because who the fuck are you to even know

what a meaningful gain would be when you have done no work clearly to even benefit the party's

growth in the first place or know what a reasonable rate of growth or expectation would be for us so far. You wouldn't. If you think that all of this media stuff doesn't matter, just say that. If the media stuff were doing matters, then

these foreign trips also matter a lot.

Our rivals think as much because they're pouring

a lot of effort and resources

to blacklist us

and slander us on the international

scene to prevent us from forming international ties.

If you don't think international solidarity is indispensable for a communist organization, you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't even know.

You know how stupid you sound chris the word communism the word communism

where does it come from does it come from america the whole reputation of marxism leninism the whole history of Marxism, Leninism, is that mainly in America?

Do people mainly look at America for their source of inspiration?

What actually gave legitimacy to Marxism-Leninism historically in this country in the United States of America.

It was the concrete experience of Marxism-Leninism internationally, and in Russia and China in particular,

in foreign places in particular demonstrating revolutionary solidarity

with progressive forces worldwide

is indispensable in terms of defining what you are

domestically if you don't understand the basics of proletarian internationalism,

I would tell you to stop being so ass-heard in my fucking Twitter space,

log off and read a fucking book.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I don't think that the media is indispensable okay then then calmly excuse me dispensable then calmly i'll ask you a question

then form a communist party without media form a communist party

no i challenge i think that's I challenge you to form

your own communist party

internationalism must be national

then do it

Chris who is stopping you from doing that

then go do it and see if you're successful

I am willing to stake my entire bank account I am willing to stake my entire bank account.

I am willing to stake my entire bank account.

And we're talking about doing luncheons and food trucks.

I am now willing to stake my entire bank account on betting that if you formed your own

Communist Party right now, according to the strategy

you yourself are proposing, even in five years, it would never surpass our party's membership

right now. And I'm willing to stake my entire bank account on that.

Are you willing to stake anything?

Yeah, no, I think that's internal critique is important.

But you're not internal.

You left and quit like a bitch, so you're not internal.

Excuse me. You're not internal.

Excuse me.

You are not internal.

Do you know that I left it?

Do you know that I left it?

You didn't leave?

Okay, so you're talking out of your ass, yes or no?

Did you or did you not leave Chris Crip?

You were just saying definitively one way or the other.

Now, can you answer my question?

Did I leave or not?

I don't know.

Exactly.

So why are you saying otherwise?

So did you? Hans, why are you saying otherwise so did you hz why are you saying otherwise

please didn't you say you were in the acp

didn't you say you were in the acp

you came onto the space saying you were in the ACP.

Did you not?

Yes, yes.

And every single person in my chat is saying that's what you said in the beginning.

Yes, and no longer, I'm no longer active, but I'm still a party member.

Okay, well, your ass is getting kicked out.

I don't participate in the group meetings.

I talk about food trucks. We don't worry. I don't talk about food trucks. Okay, well, your ass is getting kicked out. You are getting kicked out now.

Don't worry.

I don't talk about food trucks.

We'll go through the formalities and subject you to a trial.

But you're, I probably just going to like, I'm not going to waste your time.

I'm just going to tell you you're going to get kicked out 100%.

Yeah, that's lovely.

That's great.

Because I can count probably...

Internal critique doesn't matter.

Internal critique doesn't matter.

This is not internal career.

This is a flavor.

Absolutely it is.

This is a flavorant violation

of our constitutional protocols.

When it comes to comradly criticism,

you jumped into this fucking space doing nothing but

insulting me and calling me names publicly, by the way. That's not internal criticism. That's

public attacks. That's public, uncomradly, bad faith attacks.

That absolutely does not qualify for internal criticism, Chris.

So, yeah, I mean, I'm just going to tell you straight.

I don't see, maybe, maybe you can find something in the Constitution that will save you.

Because that's how we're going to go off of it.

But, yeah, you're basically going to be subjected to a disciplinary hearing and probably

kicked out of the party.

I'm just going to tell you that's what's going to happen.

If you're in the party. If you are, that is, which I don't know if you're in the party if you are that is which i don't know if you are we'll find out anything else yes

what else

I wanted to talk about

again I wanted to talk about the business

initiative problems okay and then

I also wanted to talk about I wanted to raise the problem

of name the problems we already have three to four already in the works

that are very promising that are already uh seeing progress in terms of their development so tell me

the problems chris tell me the problem that you don't have fucking businesses off the ground in

less than a fucking year.

Tell me why that's such a problem.

No one's asking for that.

What are you asking for?

I'm not asking for overnight shift.

I'm asking for an initiative from the top down.

But when the party wants...

Your idea of us being in a petri dish, where four or five of us are able to somehow amass a bunch of money to start businesses, it's silly.

We need help.

We need help for me.

You need more people.

You principally need more people.

So instead of doubling down and and like the Michigan chapter executive is doing, by the way, doubling down doing good work, community outreach and raising the repertoire and name of the party in the chapter locally and in the state, why are you asking for me to just send you personally money?

I mean, you didn't even ask, by the way.

I'm asking for money to be distributed amongst the chapters.

We don't have fucking money for that.

We don't have money.

Well, $2,000 could have been split up a little bit.

Give me a concrete plan about how that could be organized.

And you sound so fucking stupid.

You think that be...

It's so stupid.

It's like, you think that we just have unlimited money here at the top and we're depriving it.

No, I do think that you have a fair amount of money.

Is that, am I mistaken?

You're very mistaken.

Okay.

So where were the pool of money gone to, or come from when you went on these trips?

From my own fucking bank account, you fucking morgue?

Right.

And how did you attain that?

How did you attain that?

Through streaming on kick, you idiot.

Right.

Do you think that any of that money could be sent to the party?

How about Jackson's funds?

I've already...

Hold on.

The amount that I've already donated and out-of-pocket spent on this party literally almost bankrupted me okay

i barely have money and if and yes these trips were for the party by the way and no other reason

sure and um you know this idea that And no other reason. Sure.

And, um, you know, this idea that, uh, that you're going to sit here in pocket watch, me individually, even though I'm fucking broke, basically anyway.

So that's why I still fucking stupid. You're the chairman, dude.

You're the chairman.

Right. The chairman the chairman. Right.

The chairman is broke.

Okay, how about Jackson? What about Jackson?

How has he contributed

to the party? Other than outreach, of course, he's

got a great job at that. I'll tell you what.

But financially has he. If you could show for some kind of results on your personal end,

that you've actually done real fucking work.

You busted your ass for this party.

Then I will even entertain you talking about Jackson's money.

You're a fucking lazy nobody.

And also, yeah, you're so stupid because every single time I've gone abroad, I've asked leadership and they agreed unilaterally.

I've never done it by myself.

So all leadership saw the value of these

trips, not just me.

Of course.

You want to talk about Jackson's money,

but you're a lazy nobody bum fuck

who's done nothing at all for anyone,

for anything.

Listen,

this is not,

this is uncomradly critique here.

You don't want to be calling people names.

Chris.

Let's address the substance.

What do you think?

Chris.

Yeah. We are not engaging in internal comradly criticism right now. You can't. Let's address the substance. What do you think? Chris, yeah.

We are not engaging in internal comradly criticism right now.

You came here and engaged in a wholesale attack on me and the party as a whole, calling it all bullshit.

You've quit.

No, I didn't call it all bullshit.

I called the business initiative bullshit.

And I called the- So bullshit. And I called the...

So what's your alternative, then?

Concretely, what's your alternative? I think that Jackson,

I think that Jackson and you ought to be funding the party

more from Top Town. I've said it like three or four times now.

To do what? Fund it for what?

Business initiatives. If that was the plan give me you know what how stupid

you are you know how our business initiatives work people first have to come to us with a concrete

plan this is exactly how much and then we all work to see how we can raise the funds and get the funds.

But you don't have a plan.

You don't even have a draft proposal.

You never even thought of one in your whole fucking life.

No, we did.

We absolutely did.

Really?

Really?

Yes.

Okay.

Send it to me right now on paper. Your proposal.

Okay. Where would you like it? Where would you like to receive it?

DMs on Twitter.

Okay. Send it right now. Your draft proposal. And did you talk to the treasurer about this proposal?

No, because we didn't reach the treasurer.

We were in a circle and we couldn't contact anybody.

We couldn't contact Kyle and we couldn't contact you.

We talked about building a food truck.

Kyle is in the chapter. He's in the chapter telegram channel.

Okay.

Are you in that?

Are you there?

As far as I'm aware, there was no response.

Did you even, I remember, I remember having chapter meeting where we were hearing that

did you take the initiative to reach out? Did you take the initiative to reach out? I remember, I remember having chapter meetings where we were hearing that there was no response to

reach out. Did you take the initiative to reach out?

I heard, listen, listen, I'm just, I'm relaying what I heard.

Oh, what you heard.

Did you yourself try to reach out before you decided to come here?

Who's more likely, and probably slander our fucking party

before you decided to drag

your ass over to my Twitter space

and slander our whole

party and me

did you do the due diligence

since this bothered you so much to actually bring your draft proposal to either the treasurer to Kyle or me through telegram?

And before you say you don't have our fucking contacts, that's a bunch of bullshit.

Because I talk to Miguel directly. I have his contact and he has mine and he's your chapter executive. So you did zero fucking work to even get this so-called draft proposal into our ear, which I don't even believe exists, by the way.

And before you even thought to do that, you came into the space and disrespected the entire party and attacked it calling it all bullshit.

Do I hear you

correctly?

Who would be more likely to

get the notice of Kyle Pett as a chapter

leader or an underling in the chapter?

Out of curiosity. You can directly

request to your chapter

executive to contact

and bring it up. You could

before. And then when they did that,

crypto, crypto, before, before

you do what you just did here tonight,

there's a million things you could

fucking do to get it done.

But you decided to do this first.

By the way, after you said you had

already quit and you were in the party.

Yes, I was in the party. I'm no longer

in the party. That's true. So you're no

longer in the party, correct? You're a fucking cockroach, you're an aunt, you're no longer in the party, correct? Right. You're a fucking cockroach.

You're an ant.

You're a piece of shit.

You're less than the shit that sticks to the bottom of my fucking shoe.

You're worthless.

You're not even in the fucking party.

Take a fucking hike.

Go form your own party.

Go ahead, Leo.

Hello. Sorry, I mean, that was,

I mean, I heard, sorry, I can't tell on mobile.

Am I? Okay.

Good, okay, good. I'm getting thumbs up.

I really enjoy the ACP.

I think you're great.

I'm here in the United Kingdom.

And I wanted to ask you specifically,

since I do believe that the ACP is on track to building communism in the United States,

what would you recommend for

like-minded people overseas who may have certain doctrinal disagreements, let's say, with the existing parties?

I mean, obviously the answer would be to film your own.

I was wondering if you believed in any entryism or entry.

I believe every country's national conditions are different.

We have solidarity with the Workers Party of Britain right now.

The best advice I could say is take your

country's communist history seriously.

That's how we see it, you know?

The history is what's important.

The historical party

We've...

Oh, I mean, if the UK parties are anything to go by,

they've splintered a million times over.

But if you can do the recommendation for the workers party of Britain,

I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, thank you. Appreciate it.

I mean, I don't want to, yeah, I don't want to say anything that would contradict

their strategy at all, because this is, at the end of the day, it's very American where

I'm coming from.

A global, please go ahead.

Yeah, I was, uh, I was come to listen to you guys and I talked to you last time before, you know, talk a little bit. Yeah, so I saw you in Lebanon. That was pretty cool.

Oh, thanks.

Yeah, man, like like so you know

hopefully you got on

safely in America because you know

I think the Australian government was debating

where they caught

taking away the citizenship or

I guess order more

I think they had permanent residence

or reneging their residency for going to somebody's funeral.

I'm ridiculous.

Yeah, I mean, US is much less crazy than Australia

when it comes to that.

But who knows, you know, thank you for coming on.

Based Irish, please go ahead. you know, you know, go ahead beast irish

unmute yourself

oh sorry about that

yeah

i follow global and global's a friend of mine

um

how's it going

i'm a big fond of acp politics

uh house i think it's pretty good to see in American politics. It's a great alternative. Obviously, the international solidarity thing that you're doing is great.

Stress, Daddy! Appreciate you. Have you been any time to in the Ireland and trying to meet up

any socialist republicans over here

any chance?

You know, I'd love to visit Ireland.

I don't think we have a reasonable

pretext to go to Ireland right now.

Maybe Chris

from our

international

department.

But,

you know,

I mean,

I would personally,

that would be really nice,

you know,

but I don't, I don't, currently there's no plans, basically. that would be really nice you know but

I don't

currently there's no plans basically

there's a lot of great

global retaliation there's a lot of great

Palestinian work being he's been

the island and sort of you know

worked with like the Palestinian Solidarity

Committee there's a lot of great stuff to get done you know, work with like the Palestinian Solidarity Committee.

There's a lot of great stuff that gets done.

You know, multiple times throughout the week,

there will be more than one Palestinian solidarity protest

in multiple parts of the island.

A lot of me do have a very long socialist republican

lineage here like it's quite old

a lot of them parties would actually still be about

you know um

irsp there's many others even the communist party of

Ireland there's also you know there's many many

groups that you

could go meet.

Yeah,

I mean,

it would be,

it would be great,

but we,

right now I don't,

I don't,

I don't,

maybe Chris has something planned.

I don't know.

He's our international secretary.

You know,

have a look and look at it. Like,

it's what happened to. I've had something

around the bubble for you. It's just

that some socialist Republican doctrine

that we have here and our sort of

lower in history. And

you have a quick look at that.

Thank you.

Appreciate it, man.

Thank you.

All right.

Bye-bye.

Okay, so the next person is, uh, uh, oh my God.

Go ahead.

Go speak.

Quick.

Hi, Haas.

I have a question regarding the party program,

0.17, which is promotion of American civilization.

Okay.

So I'm wondering how would you or the party define the American civilization?

Because the first sentence states, the Communist Party stands for the cultivation and discovery of a national continental American culture on the basis of the unique

history, geography, and ethnic

makeup of the American peoples. So

I'm wondering, like, how does the party

see the American

civilization?

Just what it sounds like right there, you know, because it has to be something that is it involves and is in coordination with the different groups in question and the people ultimately have to play a decisive role in that process

we don't we're not going to create blueprints at the expense of you know what the popular sensibility is when it comes to that.

Okay, I see.

Well, thanks, thank you for answer my question and I wish

AZP a lot of luck.

Okay, thank you.

Go ahead, Brian.

Hey, I'm down in the South organizing, and I'm wondering what you think about the role of labor and tenant organizing whether you believe in independent unions or entreeism i'm also

wondering your thoughts around the national question the black and chicano nations. I can only answer

one half of that question, unfortunately,

um, for time. Because I

talked about the national question a little

too much already and I,

I can't repeat. But, um,

our broadly, our labor strategy

is utilizing the party as a kind of force to facilitate labor organizing in general, that we are helping and lending our hand and assisting toward that end.

So that's really it i can't hear you but

i'm not sure there's much else to say.

Okay, Isaiah, I'll bring you on one last time.

Go ahead.

Okay, hello.

Yeah. So I was up earlier about and so i overheard you

talking about

uh the cost the party's constitution

and how it's uh you know for internal what is it criticism and debate and all this

um that's the reason they gave me for they for when they kicked me Kyle and Rev

and who else was there

Let me see what's his name

I have screenshots of this sorry see Marcelo was there too

he's the executive of this

all right look there's too many people being named here

that are not here and I don't

I don't know what we're getting at here

all right Um, anything else, Ross?

Just some gorillas.

And the dude did guy was back oh we got

um Stephen

no he's just another

gorilla no he's another gorilla

alright

um

Um Here's Joey

Who?

Hey, what's up?

Why'd you invite me to speak?

What question do you have for me?

I didn't invite anything.

No, RTSG did.

What's your question?

Let me hear it. Well, you just... What's your did. What's your question? Let me hear it.

Well, you just...

What's your question? You want to ask something?

No, what's your question? You invited me to come up.

Okay. Question is why fucking wake up on the wrong side of the bed or some shit what an interesting day

I was in a very good mood but hearing that

just you know some of these people that joined

and they're all part of one click by the way

that that that that I don't even know if that Chris Crypt that joined. And they're all part of one click, by the way.

That, that, that, that, that, I don't even know if that Chris Crypto guy joined, but, like,

they all have the same weird Fed talking points.

And just this sense of entitlement is fucking crazy. Like, as if...

As if they didn't sign up for a party

that literally says, this is how it's going to work.

We're trying to make it as decentralized as possible

so that people have on the ground concrete experience

to organize. And I don't know picking on like these stupid

frivolous fucking worthless scum you know it demeans the fact that the majority overwhelming

majority are doing a great job. And I don't want

to detract from that. But to see people crash out because they don't get their way and because,

you know, everything is not immediately successful overnight and that they want me and jackson to

solve everything it's an organization it's not a it's not like a um what would be the it's not like

me and jackson are santa and you're waiting under the tree for presents

it's an organization whose strength is going to come from the collective power from the rank and file

and while the eb has chose me as the, and while there is a leadership within the party, we don't have Roy Singham's money. And yes, it's on us to make it happen. And the party is making it happen, by the way. That's what's happening already. But some

people crashed out because they just joined, not putting their all in. They're like, what's going on here? Why is not? Well, it's on you. You need to take the initiative, initiative right we're doing our job up here at the top

everyone who has an issue turn your issue into something productive do something literally do something

that same authority and audacity that you muster up to want to go and attack me

fucking put that to work to do something productive which is what again almost everyone is already doing

in the party

if you've got such an issue that

you're willing to talk shit to me

turn that issue into a solution

yourself raise your voice

locally

you know get things but it's it's the people who don't work, who don't want to get

things done that love gibbering and complaining and whining and babbling. Because it's easier

to whine than to work, and that's just the fucking truth. It's easier to whine than to just

get shit done. If you don't want to work, you don't have to join the fucking party.

Just leave.

Screaming and crying at me

about the fact that I

have done great work to cultivate relations between our party

and progressive forces,

particularly in Russia,

is so fucking stupid.

Especially when you consider that Russia is at the vanguard in the forefront of counter-hegemonic politics globally, especially in the West.

I mean, in South Africa, they're waving Russian flags.

It's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence.

It's not an accident.

I just want to, like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, there's only so much I can say, but someone earlier asked about SolidNet.

Well, look up the biggest party in SolidNet.

And then maybe ask, well, maybe why, why is it important maybe that I go to russia i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know

maybe it's not really hard to like put two and two together look up the largest non-governing communist party in the world.

Look up the country where there was the first proletarian dictatorship.

Just a lot of stupid fucking things I heard tonight, which is crazy.

And you know what kills me is the fact that it, you know, it is true that, you know, I need to be more publicly involved in domestic work.

Like, I totally agree.

But what if I told you that's literally happening this weekend, you know?

Would you feel stupid?

Literally, like, before I even have time to come back and decompress, I'm already rolling up my

sleeves and traveling more.

I'm not going to tell you where I'm going.

In America, I mean.

But that's happening this weekend, okay?

Um...

Yeah.

Anyway. Yeah, guys. Yeah, I'm going to New Jersey.

You got it.

Whatever.

That's the truth.

I'm leaking it. Whatever. That's the truth. I'm leaking it.

Whatever. Andrew, go ahead. I didn't even see you there.

You'll be the last person. Go ahead.

All right, cool. Thanks. This is an interesting discussion. I just got a couple of questions.

One is, first of all, what's your position on landlordism and eventual land redistribution?

And the second question is with regard to your party's attitude to and maybe relationship with the Communist Party of China.

We don't have any relations as far as the last question but um the thing about landlordism is that um that was something socialism for all really uh took out of he really likephasized and exaggerated because I had been asked with the

question, would it be permissible for a chapter as a source of income to rent out properties?

And I said, okay, I mean, we're kind of getting in gray area here.

You'd have to be doing it in a way that's ethical in the sense that you're not a slum lord.

But if, you know, if you happen to already have them and if it's lucrative and if you can make money from it to support the party, you know, it would not, yes, that could be one of the enterprises. I mean, it's not ideal, though, because the enterprises, again, we're trying to kind of have as productive businesses, which and this is a parasitical kind of form of income.

But the moralistic idea that a party needs to be funded in a way that reflects the values of communism is something we are actually trying to do that has never been done before.

Because historically, whatever gets the party funded is how they funded in the past.

Okay.

The CPUSA is a huge landlord right now.

So is the PSL. Okay okay they rent properties so they that's what

they're doing as their only source of income for c p u s a right now but nobody's calling them the

landlord party because there's a difference between the kind of society you are fighting for and what

classes you're opposing and what you need to do to materially subsist and get by and support

yourself here and now.

There is a fucking big difference.

Anyone who says otherwise needs to fucking throw their iPhone away.

And you're basically repeating

the argument, oh, we live in capitalism.

So look, we see landlordism

as a parasitical phenomenon that we want

to fully eliminate. Okay?

When we seize the reins of power

itself, just like Marx and Engels believed in the development of a proletarian movement that would facilitate the dissolution of wage labor and factory capitalist exploitation. But what angles owned a factory okay and he used it to fund marx's writings so and other initiatives so it's it's dead and it's already over someone trying to argue like socialism

for all it's just stupid from the get-go

to say we're a landlord party

because of

something I said out of context

no we're against

landlordism and we want to eliminate

it as a phenomenon.

I don't remember your other question?

I was related to that.

It was land redistribution.

Yeah, it's in our program.

We want land reform.

And you mentioned you don't have a relationship with the Chinese, the Communist Party, China, but what is your kind of, I guess, position or attitude towards that organization?

We are focusing on our own party, and we are not really worthy of it, basically.

I guess we're not big enough, and we're trying to earn our own keep, you know, and we're not looking for a hand out.

All right, thanks.

Sure.

Okay.

Okay, well... okay well

all right i think we're done uh we're done

okay we're gonna end the space

and okay lennon dubois appreciate you man End. Lenin Dubois.

I appreciate you, man.

Appreciate you, brother.

All right.

All right, guys.

Crazy night.

Crazy, crazy night all around. You know, all right um all right there's nothing that will put me in a bad mood worse than a fucking traitor. I hate traitors. I'm lighthearted

and jolly and shit. I

fucking hate traitors.

I need to meditate and

get over my hatred of traitors.

That's my fucking issue right now.

Traders

I can't forgive them

I see them as the lowest of scum

I hate traders

I hate them

unforgivable he was like I don't even know what that piece of trash even

was piece of garbage fucking cockroach.

Can you confirm?

I don't know. I don't keep a list of everyone who's in the party. I don't fucking know if he was.

Sleeper Cell, what's up? We have to literally investigate and see.

It's like if you're a general, do you know every fucking soldier in the army? No.

The Michigan... army no the michigan chapter guys have here talked about never discussing the food truck so he was making shit up as we guessed

how can we

defend the con

arranged marriage How can we defend the con?

Arranged marriage.

Very interesting comments, guys.

Very interesting comments.

Uh... uh... i will say when it comes to the chapter enterprises, the problem is not capital principally.

If we know, if we have a realistic proposal and we know exactly how much we need, you could even take out a loan from a bank if it's viable.

There's many ways to get seed capital.

The number one deficiency in the enterprises right now

is a lack of realistic proposals and ideas.

If there is a problem, that's what it is.

But there really isn't because there are already a lot of good viable stuff.

And by the way, the way the whole party works is you only need one to be

successful. Once there's one that's successful, it becomes a model that can be replicated. And that's

what people don't understand is you only, in our party, the only thing you need to have unilateral success is one chapter figuring it out.

Once one chapter figures shit out as far as how to do shit, that becomes a model that can spread to everyone.

And that's how the whole thing was structured so that's not going to be overnight but once that breakthrough happens you know it's going to be a

watershed moment.

And he's like, oh, there's only four people. And it's like, we're doing our best with the recruitment drive up here. But there's only, and then you're saying media is not important so it's like

how are you going to get more people if media is not important you know by the way michigan chapter

i know he's lying because of course there's more than four if he was here he must have been

here in july or something big states with small chapters have it hard that's's true. That's true, but

we're solutions oriented.

If you have an instinct to go

for the black pill, you've got to check your own

bitch-made tendencies. Because

the black pill is never

a fucking choice.

There's all, before you even think of a black pill, solution, solution, solutions.

Go fucking sit and meditate in a cave for 92 hours straight before you blackpill thinking of solutions.

Before you ever think of ever blackpilling, go fucking climb a mountain, get to the top, sit your ass down and meditate for nine days straight without sleep

and you'll think of something that will be a substitute for this estrogenic not to be misogynistic

but if you're a man there's's no, you shouldn't be doing this.

Okay?

If you're a woman, the estrogenic energy, I'm sure it's helping.

It's like, uh, it's bringing you into communion with the cosmos and whatever from Avatar.

Fine.

But if you're a man, you got these gyno bitch tits, bitch-made energy to just blackpill right off the bat.

There's a million, go outside and run nonstop before you black pill

you know

there's so many fucking things you can do before

you do that have you exhausted all the

options no you have and you just want to be a cry

baby bitch because it's easier to

curl up in your bed in your blankie and cry in

your tears in your pillow about how much things aren't fucking fair for you than to fucking

get your ass up and go fucking do something.

I don't know if you know, the universe is a really brutal fucking place. Forget planet Earth. They get these telescopes and they look at what's going on. There's just all these random fucked up

explosions happening all the time. They're really violent and terrifying.

All right?

Then on earth, you go to the jungle and it's fucking lions and tigers tearing shit apart.

And there's diseases and there's fucking big giant spiders that are ripping heads off and eating mice and birds.

And it's all brutality.

Forget about the ocean and how brutal that is, by the way.

It's all brutality.

There's volcanoes exploding and everything dies and

explodes. It's a brutal

fucking world we live in. The fact

that you are alive and breathing and

sitting here, drawing breath,

is a great mercy.

Fucking do something with it.

Anyone who's crying about how unfair the universe is to them

needs to be fucking thrown into the sun

so you could be ripped apart by the fucking fusion

whatever bullshit that's going on there that's

really fucked up and violent and scary

so you know how precious

life and rare life itself is.

It's a cruel fucking world, but here you are breathing.

Make something of it.

Or be like breathe and be miserable for the rest of your life

And crying and wanting revenge against every

Because you're because everything's unfair

Or be like that guy who came on

Be like Danny Shaw Who's a Fed I don't know what am I saying Or be like that guy who came on.

Or be like Danny Shaw, who's a Fed.

I don't know. What am I was in Lebanon, I was at that state, I mean, holy shit.

When I was in Lebanon, I was at that stadium.

Every single person there was ready to die.

Every single one.

When those jets came, all of them were ready.

They didn't give a fuck.

They were so caught up with the passion. They were just ready.

You know, God knows how many of them

had relatives, people in their lives

that were killed.

They're grieving, not just for

the Sayyid. They're grieving for their whole

people, you know, and they're ready.

And by the way, turns out, during the whole fucking thing,

the IDF still had not decided whether they're going to bomb the stadium.

That's just breaking news.

So when I told Jackson, hey, there's a big chance they're going to fucking bomb us.

I wasn't lying.

They were literally, they just found out,

indecisive at that moment.

They were still considering doing it.

So all these people in this stadium are ready to go.

You know?

And you're sitting here bitching and crying and blackpilling.

You know?

How fucking crazy is that?

Sitting in America blackpilling and crying when you have everything going for you. I mean, what justifies being a traitor?

I don't fucking know.

We're putting our life on the line.

What have you done to be a fucking traitor?

You fucking coward?

Jackson knew there was a big chance.

He wouldn't fucking leave.

Neither would Chris.

They put their fucking life on the line.

What have you fucking done to be a traitor? My feelings were hurt by Jackson's tweets.

Fuck you, you Fuck you

Fuck you

Fucking

You

fucking

Fucking feelings were hurt

dishonor and crash out over some shit like that

you don't know what real life is

straight up

fucking disgusting

anyway on a good note

It was a great night

It was really funny. It was hilarious

The guy from Lost Incredible night.

Goodbye, guys.

I'll see you.

Next stream, I do probably going to be an IRL.

You'll see.

You'll see. It'll it'll be irl probably okay by the way my work has just begun all right see you guys bye