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No.

I'm just waiting for him to send me the link, that's all.

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We're gonna join right now.

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We worked out this policy and that policy.

Um

I'm just talking about in the real world.

But when you're talking about communism or capitalism, you're talking about two different standards of morality, two different standards of ethics.

And our people and ways of society reproducing itself.

Our standard of capitalism, though it has never existed, has existed fairly close to pure form at one time.

Just as communism has existed in fairly pure form in multiple states and multiple states.

No, no, I'm not talking.

Wait, Haas, Haas.

No, you've come in, so you need to be quiet.

Let me finish.

Haz, you need to be quiet.

I'm very rude because I'm here.

Well, okay, and so you don't interrupt.

You come in when your time is ready, okay?

So don't be rude.

You don't be rude.

Just because you're an activist.

We can see.

I don't care.

I don't care what you think.

We can see pure communism existed.

No, I shouldn't care.

I don't have to care what you think.

We can still see pure communism in places like North Korea and Venezuela, but you will deny that these places are experiencing pure communism.

You'll deny that when China was purely communist and when it didn't have market innovations to help it expand its economy, you will deny that the famine times, the time of the Cultural Revolution had nothing to do with themselves.

Because here's the thing: you're telling us what we're going to deny, and we're not denying anything.

Oh, good.

So pure communism, you understand, becomes very violent.

There's no such thing as a violent pure anything.

The problem with your understanding of Chinese history is just that you don't have the facts correct.

Like, there's a ton of mainstream media distortions.

But what I want to know is when this, like, like, permit capitalism existed, you just said it did, and I don't see that.

No, I never said that.

I said we came very close to it.

And the closer we came to it, the more prosperous we were.

But the standard of living.

But guess what?

Noah.

No, no, that's not what got us here.

Actually, it's more socialization.

It's more concentration of power and the intermingling of economics and power and political power that got us here.

Like, it's still, we were there, then we're here.

Like, that's what happened in history.

Right?

If capitalism operates as a standard of individual rights as its operating moral standard, that's the standard that we have to hold up and have to aspire to.

The fact that we've fallen away from it means we've fallen away from the standard.

We have some.

I understand what you're saying.

That's why I keep telling you: wow, what happens in society ain't about it?

What were you saying?

Yeah, Norway is more capitalist than we are.

No, I'm a millionaire.

Thank you very much.

But thanks for your concern.

Then, why are you asking regular people for because political parties, political parties, always get donations?

And I told you, we're going to discuss that at the very end, though.

Comrade Thomas, thank you so much for the 10.

Appreciate you, brother.

All right, go ahead.

Hey, Noah.

I mean, Haz.

Could you not interrupt people when they're talking, man?

I just wanted to introduce you.

Thank you.

Okay, well, wait till people stop talking.

That's what polite people do who respect other individuals.

Yeah, I I know you think that, but that's not the case.

We'll discuss that at the very end.

Sure.

But okay, we got to go back to this again.

Yeah, you said we were at this so such a close point to your perfect capitalism, right?

And then some history happens.

Can you guys not hear me?

Now, what my mic is up is it really is immaterial.

You guys can't hear me.

It still went from there to here, right?

And this is precisely the argument that Marxism makes.

It's why I keep saying, like, can you guys hear me right now?

Standards, this happened at this perfect capitalism or how it's not, it doesn't material.

It's not immaterial.

It's holding a certain worldview and sort of pre-development.

That comes like the real capitalisms, like the ideas you have.

When what I'm talking about is the real world as it exists.

As are we.

Go ahead, Michael.

Are you raising your hand?

No, no, no, no.

I'm just listening.

Okay.

Okay, I'll this I don't know this this conversation has kind of become unwieldy and I was really hoping not it wouldn't, but it's okay.

I mean, I can flow with it.

But the idea, well, if that's your standard, then I would just what's taking place in the real world.

Well, what Marx advocated for had never taken place in the real world, but Marx still advocated for something.

He still called it communism, right?

So to say, well, because this has never existed doesn't mean it isn't such a thing.

Well, that's silly.

So, but we've never had a dictatorship of the proletariat yet.

We've never had a complete collapse of the capitalist class so that the proletariat takes over.

We haven't had these things yet.

Yes, we're going to be able to do that.

So, well, I mean, I don't know.

We have it right now.

Where?

Guys, the issue is all you've done.

down to like all the way down so no one can use me.

What is happening?

I haven't interrupted Noah.

Hold on.

I haven't been interrupting Noah.

We haven't interrupted anybody.

I can tell you're interrupting him because.

That's not what I said at all.

Actually he said the exact opposite.

Actually Noah s no, actually Noah made the claim that real communism has been tried.

That that that that's what he said.

Nobody said what you just came in and claimed.

I didn't say it was according to you.

I didn't say that.

I said that I was, what I said was that because that never happened, that contradicts Noah's previous claim.

But you're now misrepresenting what's being said.

Michael, I can help here.

Michael, why do you think you think it hasn't happened?

Where?

Tell me where it happened.

I want to know where it happened.

Tell me where.

Yeah.

Okay, so Stalin in Russia, that was the dictatorship of the proletariat?

100%.

What a wonderful place to be.

They defeated world fascism.

No, the Americans.

The Americans.

It took the Soviet Union from a third world country of illiterate peasants.

It took the Soviet Union from a country of illiterate peasants, where my grandparents came from, right?

And made them the second biggest economy in the entire world in a handful of decades.

With the GDP at its height, they were inventing space travel.

And they had the GDP of Texas at its height.

It got nuclear weapons from spies from the United States.

It got its technology.

Anything that was worthwhile in the Soviet Union came from the West.

There's a great book called East minus West Equals Zero.

And I don't think there's anybody in America who would want to live in the Stalinist state, live in East Germany, where I'm sure you think pure communism existed, or live in North Korea for that matter, live in Venezuela for that matter, or even Cuba for that matter, or China.

China, which did implement market reforms, did start to experience an expanded economy.

And now that Z is now that Z is in it.

Now Z is now that Z is in it.

Let me finish my point.

Now that Z is losing power within the Chinese Communist Party, they are starting to consolidate.

They're starting to consolidate power.

They're becoming less of a market.

Their system is in a state of free fall at the moment.

That's true.

It's just simply true.

They've been saying that for decades.

And you've been saying it about the American system for decades.

No, we are.

But we're still the.

I'm saying.

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Haz, I can barely hear you, brother.

Yeah, you're going very low.

You go from real low to really high.

Really low to high.

How is it right now?

That's high?

And now we have a huge echo.

And an echo.

Let me see if I can fix these settings.

Echo cancellation.

How about now?

No, you're good.

We're good.

Just loud?

Yeah, that's how about this.

You're good.

This is good.

Good.

Okay.

It's loud, but go ahead.

Good.

Okay, so basically.

You went quiet again.

Now you went quiet again.

I don't know what's going on, man.

It's the fucking echo cancellation bullshit that they have.

Now it's loud.

Okay, I'm just gonna keep it this way until it

I can turn your mic down on on the I think I can.

Hold on.

All right, I think it should just stay this way.

Is it all good?

Yeah, that's fine.

Okay.

Yeah.

So, um I came uh in the middle of what seemed to be a, you know, um a big dispute about the Soviet Union and Communist history and so on and so on.

I'm the chairman of the American Communist Party and if I r reference it correctly, the um dispute began because you took offense to my visit to sayyat Hassan Nasrallah's uh funeral, is that correct?

Are you talking to me?

Yes.

Uh I I don't remember.

Noah, how did it start?

Yeah, I think it was Mark was joking about drone striking.

Yeah, which, by the way, at the time, there were people leaking their location.

So, hold on, before we get into that, Noah, Mark, is it part of your glorious system of values that don't actually exist in the real world that you should kill journalists with drones?

It's part of my system of values that do exist in the real world that bad bad people.

Okay, hold on.

Let me step in.

So, journalists who are just engaging in freedom of expression should be available.

Can I say something?

Hold on, hold on.

Go ahead, Michael.

I'm going to suggest that you not answer that.

That's a bad faith question.

This was supposed to be a debate.

Listen, I don't need a lawyer.

You are the lawyer, dude.

I'm not a lawyer.

Anyway, look, guys.

I'm just asking, because you said I should be droned.

I'm wondering if that's part of your value system.

Hold on.

That's not what I said.

That's not precisely what I said.

You didn't say you should say that.

I really don't care.

We came out here to have a debate about capitalism and communism.

Not over whether you should be drone strike or not.

That's irrelevant.

It has nothing to do with.

But you just went on a big gibber spiel about your whole metaphysical system of values.

And I wanted to say that.

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Listen, dude.

I come from a world where disrespect is not accepted.

I know you killed, you got 27 years in prison for stabbing someone.

Yeah, I did, but that was a long, long time ago.

But Noah.

Is that part of your value system as well?

No, no, it's not.

But Noah, Noah, you hold on.

I said I should be droned.

You seem very violent.

I didn't say that.

I didn't say you should be droned, first of all.

Secondly, Noah, Noah, Noah, did you not assure me in my DMs that we're all grown men and we can have a nice discussion?

Is there that this?

I'm willing to move past the drawing.

Haz is talking in bad faith.

Hold on, hold on, guys.

No, I said, I will not move past it.

I was just wondering.

Hold on, hold on.

I want everybody to be within my value system.

Hold on.

It is within my value system, which does exist.

Okay, so you want to talk about it?

That's good.

Let's talk about it.

That bad guys, that bad guys, you were, in fact, you were interviewing the leaders of Hamas.

Isn't that what I'm saying?

So having the wrong opinions of the people.

The leaders of Hamas, the leaders of Hamas don't just have wrong opinions.

They're to murder them.

But I do, but I have my own opinions.

But I have my own opinions.

I didn't murder anyone.

Your friend Michael did.

I never murdered anyone.

No, no, I didn't.

No, he didn't.

Oh, he tried to, though.

Anyway, look, anyway, look, I've never stabbed anyone.

Oh, I don't care what you did.

Is that what this is about?

Like, you're going to be aware of that.

He's saying it's part of his system of values that I should be droned.

Why should I be droned?

It's part of my system of values that terrorist leaders should be droned.

Am I a terrorist leader?

I don't know what you are.

Why did you say I should be droned?

You're an advocate.

You're an advocate for one of the most violent ideologies on the face of the earth that has been responsible for millions upon millions of people.

Okay, even if that was true, you're saying I should be droned for having the wrong opinion.

And you seem to be sympathetic to the terrorists that you're in.

Okay, okay.

Hold on, let me just pin him down on that.

Calm down.

I did not say that.

Buddy, you're not acting.

You're not Lucifer right now.

Okay.

Be an angel, not a dumb man.

Are you an adult?

Hold on.

I mean, hold on.

Are you trying to change?

Tosh, are you an adult?

You're a child.

I'm trying to clarify whether you're trying to work.

I said I was willing to move past the drone comment, but you decided to go back to it.

So I'm just wondering.

Because you're arguing in bad faith, and I wanted to tell you.

One question.

I just have one question.

It is objectively good.

One sentence.

It is objectively good to kill terrorists.

One sentence.

That's not what I said in my tweet.

Do you think that people who have opinions you disagree with, just for having the opinion, that it's justified to murder them?

That's all I want to know.

No.

And why did you say we should get drone striked?

I didn't say you should get drone striked.

You didn't say the stadium should be bombed?

I said my kingdom for a drone because you were with Hamas leaders who are guilty of murder.

I was at a stadium full of civilians.

I was in a stadium full of civilians.

They are guilty of murdering other human beings.

How many people were in the city?

Were you in a stadium?

How many people were to do with capitalism versus that your argument?

I said I'm willing to move past it.

No, you're asking questions.

Everybody, yo, you did.

Yo, yo, you did.

Yo, I'm going to put the brakes on.

Hold on a minute here.

Okay.

Good.

Put the brakes on your friend Ayes.

Okay, that's fine.

He's a bad faith arguer.

Why are you so angry?

I just asked a question.

Because you're a bad faith arguer, because you're dishonest.

Because you're not.

What was dishonest about what I asked?

Because you're trying to evade the actual tenor of the conversation, which has been about the ethics of communism versus the ethics.

I wanted to know if your moral system was consistent because you talked about moral systems.

My moral system is consistent.

Bad guys who murder people and advocate for the murder of others.

And journalists and civilians.

Okay, people who have the wrong opinions should be killed.

That's what you're saying.

Wrong, exactly wrong.

People who sympathize with and aid Tibet murderers and killers, they don't.

That's a subjective opinion.

So for having the wrong subjective opinion, how have we materially?

They're at the funeral celebrating the death of a massive person.

So being at a funeral is worthy of being killed.

So that, according to your moral system, if you attend the wrong funeral, you are worthy of death.

Even if you're a child, if you're attending the funeral of a mass murdering funeral.

You should be killed.

You have the ideology that supports mass murder.

By the way, you're saying Nasrallah is a mass murderer.

How many people did he murder, in your estimation?

How many people did he command to be murdered?

Who cares?

Murdered over 40,000 civilians over the past year alone.

How many civilians had you?

This has nothing to do with capitalism versus communism.

Are you that afraid to debate your ideas?

Michael, Michael, I would be more than happy to just talk about economic systems, but you began this debate talking about moral systems.

Because we're discussing capitalism.

So your moral system should be consistent.

And I want to know if your moral system is consistent.

And what I'm saying to you is, I don't care what you want to know.

You've shown yourself to be a bad faith actor.

You came into this thing with bad manners.

Is it wrong to ask if your moral system is consistent?

No, no.

I'm going to tell you this.

I will no longer respond to you because you are irrelevant to me.

I said I'm willing to move past the Noah.

You've been respectful.

Noah, I will deal with you.

You brought in a bad faith actor.

I won't hold that against you because I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know he was going to behave this way.

Look, I wanted to debate capitalism.

I've been completely calm.

Do you want me to turn my game down?

I don't know how loud it is.

I don't know.

I mean, I've been calm.

I don't know why you guys are so angry.

It doesn't have anything to do with dishonesty are sort of bad characteristics.

But how am I being dishonest?

They're bad characters.

You're attempting to twist concepts in a way that's not.

Forgive me for inquiring upon you and enables you to seem like it's justified in good faith.

We don't have to talk about moral systems, but let's just say your morality is irrelevant to the debate.

Well, it's not irrelevant to the debate.

Well, it's clearly inconsistent.

Because it clearly isn't.

You advocated for journalists to be murdered, and now you claim that's not what you're advocating.

You're advocating for terrorists.

I have to say that.

Aren't you the one that is Jackson a terrorist?

I don't.

But let's be real, Mark.

Like, he may have been rude to you, but he called for my murder.

Right?

Like, you were saying that.

I said something like that.

You should send a drone, right?

My kingdom for a drone to take out the terrorists.

Aren't you the guy?

People who are making life hell for everybody on the earth.

The government's sole responsibility.

For having the wrong opinions.

The government's sole responsibility.

No, for murdering people.

The government's sole responsibility is to protect us, to protect us from people who think murdering other people to get their political agenda across is justified.

That's what you mean.

That's what the government says.

You want to murder me and Jackson.

I absolutely don't.

You just don't.

I don't believe justice.

I don't.

You said I do want to disavow what you yourself said.

That's fine.

I justified the government using force against terrorists.

And against terrorists.

But I'm not a terrorist.

Hold on.

Sympathizers are doing.

Sympathizers is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

A lot of heavy lifting.

You may be.

Do you have sympathy for Nasrilla?

Do you have sympathy for him?

So if I subjectively have sympathy for him.

Do you have sympathy for him?

For Nasrallah, yes.

Okay, so you have sympathy.

So you condone my murder?

That means you have sympathy for his worldview.

You support his life.

So because of a certain subjective point of view, I should be murdered.

You support it spiritually?

Oh, no.

You support killing.

Do you support killing?

You support killing me?

I support defensive killing.

You mean like what the killing Hezbollah does, which is purely defensive?

Well, it's just not purely defensive.

Really?

How many civilians have they killed over the past year versus Israel?

Oh, you mean because they're bad at it?

No, they could have easily.

They could have easily launched.

I mean, I was right in front of an Israeli village, and they could easily just bombard.

They don't do it.

They don't target civilians.

They've certainly tried.

Oh, yes, they do.

Over the past year, name a single instance in which Hezbollah has tried to kill a single Israeli civilian.

Name a single instance.

Countless, countless.

There's countless.

Let's just go off of the past year.

But wait a minute.

Name one instance.

Now we're getting into the Middle Eastern conflict because you're afraid to confront the ethical issues behind communism.

I can't take your ethics seriously if they're not consistent relative to the question of my own murder.

Your ethics.

It's not unreasonable.

What I'm bringing up is not unreasonable.

You said I should be murdered.

I want to know how that's consistent with your ethics.

Your ethics are telling you that it's perfectly acceptable to support murderers and violent ideology.

No, that's what you believe.

Let me cut in here, guys.

That's what you cut in.

That's what you believe, dude.

You want to murder me and Jackson.

My problem with individualism and subjectivism in general is you're going off of something that's inside his head that you believe you're sort of like this thought that you don't even know the shape of other than words.

He's just told me.

Hold on.

Let me finish, man.

I've gotten like two words out the last 10 minutes.

So you believe that this thought that's in Haas's head is sufficient justification to call for his murder.

Now, Haas not only his head, the guard acts on it.

How did I act on it?

By attending a funeral?

He's done it.

By interviewing someone as a journalist?

By supporting them, by giving them moral support on social media.

That's all subjective support.

By aiding and abetting the money.

That's not material support, according to the legal definition.

That's not material support.

He's breaking no laws.

He's broken.

He's letting the terrorists know.

Let's let you let the terrorists know.

And therefore, I should be killed.

Right?

The terrorists know that you morally support them and that their cause is not only the possibility of the money.

So subjective moral opinions are determining whether someone should live or die now.

You were right, Michael.

They do take it completely.

We don't have to go down this road, my friend.

You wanted to go down it.

I'm willing to move past your moral.

If you admit you have an inconsistent moral system, we can move past it.

We could talk about the history of communism as soon as you admit your moral system is inconsistent.

It's not inconsistent.

Yours is inconsistent.

You believe you can support murderers?

I believe I can attend a funeral without deserving being killed.

Yes.

The funeral of a man responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people who annihilate, who wants to annihilate millions of people.

That's the person that's not.

How many has he annihilated?

Forgive me.

I think you're kind of suck for that.

Let me say, so you just said that Nasrawa wanted to annihilate.

Haz, you do suck for that.

But should I be killed for it?

That's what I want to know.

I said millions.

And he supports.

Should I be killed for my opinion?

We don't know.

You should be subjected to whatever happens because you are a supporter.

No, no, you said that I was a kid.

So I should be killed.

You're saying I should be droned.

You should be subjected to wherever you put your support and activity.

Mark, if you think I should be killed, why don't you stop being a coward?

Why don't you kill me, Mark?

You do it.

Since you think it's morally calling for it, you do it.

I think you're very with your own hands.

You're a pussy hiding behind drones.

Do it with your own hands.

You're non-aggressive.

You're calling for me to get killed.

Why don't you use your life?

These guys, these guys are crazy.

All right, Michael, don't stab me.

I'm sorry.

I'm just asking questions.

Why did you bring Haas on?

He's a co-okay, guys, guys, guys.

Let's just drop that subject, but I want to end on one thing, and I'm going to say it because I haven't talked.

Okay, good.

47,000 Palestinians have been directly killed by Israeli aggression.

Aggression on Israel.

Defense.

You're confusing aggression with defense.

111,000 have been injured.

Now, this is real actual violence.

Let's go on to, rather than ethics, let's go to, we could go to the history of communism because I think you could even make a good argument that, well, I won't make it for you, that there's violence in communism's history, right?

My thing is.

Nothing but.

Well, I mean, I look at China right now and see them.

How do you think?

No, can I ask you a question, Noah, seriously?

Sure.

I'll ask you: you've been respectful to me.

You haven't been a dick or anything else.

How do you expect me?

Let's just go with me.

I never called for your pal's death.

There's no accusations or anything like that.

I didn't come on here to discuss Israel.

I said I was willing to move past it.

Noah, I'm talking to you, Noah, right?

Your buddy has insulted me, said you know, trying to have people stab, whatever things that I did when I was just out of my teens.

I did 25 years in prison for, and everybody knows about it.

I don't hide it, right?

Do you condemn your friend Mark's comments about me, right?

Derailed the conversation.

Noah asked me.

Do you really do you really think, Noah, that I can sit here and just pretend like everything's okay and just have a discussion?

The only reason that I didn't just leave is because my friend's here, right?

That's the only reason.

I wanted to come out and have a good faith discussion.

I was nothing but respectful to you.

Even if we disagree, I don't care.

I disagree with all kinds of people.

It doesn't matter to me, right?

Yeah, and I got to say, Noah, you were respectful at first as well.

But to have been insulted and demeaned and all that, like, I'm not here now.

I'm not going to have Michael.

In fairness, I want to be calm.

In fairness, I'm not trying to be hostile.

In fairness, I think my rudeness, as you're calling it, is a little bit reasonable in consideration of the fact that your friend called for my murder.

Do you condone that or no?

So, Noah, yeah, Noah.

Why are you avoiding that?

Look, Michael, he's already said he didn't want to talk to you because you're a bad faith actor.

All right, Noah, can you ask him?

Let him communicate with me.

Everybody, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.

I'm exhausted.

I think, look, Haas has a point, man.

Like, that's a very poignant way to put it when we're arguing for you guys saying you have this moral system.

Correct.

Put it into perspective of the actual argument.

We are.

I do.

Actually, actually, let's look at it like this then.

If you guys, because I'm ready to go past it, Haas wants to go past it.

I think we could have a good discussion.

No, he doesn't.

And guys, everyone giving super chats, don't worry.

We'll list them when this is all over.

Thank you all, by the way.

Sorry.

I think that it's a fair point to make because of the issue of you guys believing there's this moral imperative that causes social change, right?

And if someone is willing to aggress, specifically against, I don't know if you guys believe in the non-aggression principle or not, but Haas hasn't put it that way, right?

Haas hasn't broken any law, he hasn't hurt anyone, he hasn't called for anyone to be hurt.

But you guys, or more, I don't want to say you might.

Hold on, he, Noah, regardless of what transpired between Mark and Haas online that I don't know about, right?

I didn't do it, right?

I didn't insult him.

He's twice brought up a crime I committed when I was 21 years old.

I'm almost 49, right?

I served 25 years in prison for it.

I'm good friends with one of the victims in the case.

I've turned my life around, right?

And he's insulted me.

I had nothing to do with whatever going on with him.

I want to know for this.

Hold on.

Noah.

I have nothing to do with what's going on with him and Mark.

The best, if the best argument you have against capitalism is Mark's a hypocrite, I'm not saying he is, but that's the thrust of your argument.

Mark's a hypocrite.

So if Mark's a hypocrite, we should just throw out capitalism.

I don't know.

That's just not a good argument.

That's just dumb.

Michael, you sort of kind of stumbled onto my point, believe it or not.

It has nothing to do, like, the should in that is what interests me.

And let's just leave that whole argument behind.

It's over.

It's done.

We won't bring it up again.

Whatever.

Like, we'll just move past ethics and morals.

Well, let's just look at.

Should we throw away capitalism?

That's not an argument I would ever make.

I shouldn't why don't we argue about civility first, though?

Already.

I'm willing to be civil.

I just had a question.

You guys don't want to talk about it.

That's fine.

It doesn't seem you are.

You haven't been civil since you came on, huh?

He's going to be civil now.

I'll be civil.

It's too late for that.

For me, it's too late for that.

I could cry and say that he called for my murder, and then I could throw a fit, but I'm willing to move past it.

We could be civil.

Just knowing Michael, why are you afraid of me?

I don't want to know.

I just want to know why.

You know what?

I'm willing to say that.

So, you're not being civil already, Haas.

You're not being civil.

Well, you're refusing to engage with me in any capacity.

Just because I raised the question of whether your moral system is consistent or not because you called somebody else because you're not a good guy.

Noah, I have a question for you.

That's your opinion, dude.

Noah, I have a question for Noah.

That's really uncomfortable.

I just want to ask you.

Noah, can I ask you a question, Noah?

What's up, Michael?

Do you think that honest intellectual discourse is important even amongst people that vehemently disagree?

Yeah, you shouldn't call for their murder either.

That is how.

Now, hold on.

Now, Noah, I was asked to come on here.

Mark asked me when you come on the show with him to debate.

Just to debate.

So you condemn what Mark said?

Sure.

Let's move past it.

Sure.

I love to debate, right?

I corresponded with you a little bit.

Okay.

All very professional.

Right.

So that's what I would like to talk about more than anything else is the importance of civil discussion.

Let's do it.

Right.

And listen.

Believe it or not, Haas can be very civil.

I think he's understanding.

I don't know the guy outside of this.

So he might be in other contexts a wonderful guy.

All I know is that the way he acted toward me.

Like, I'm not lending that sanction.

I'm not going to be like, yeah, dude, that's cool.

No apology, nothing.

Just, oh, yeah, it's cool that you basically called me a murderer and you said brought up my past.

That's all cool because that's fair game in a debate about capitalism versus communism.

Come on, man.

I don't know why you're so hung up over this.

We're willing to move past it.

Clearly, you're not willing to consistently.

This is sort of a Darvo type of thing that I think a pathogen.

Oh, here we go with the cycle battle.

Let's just get to your pathogen.

Did you say this was the fault of the Dharma initiative?

I would say it's the fault of a bad actor named Haas.

Hey, listen, Michael.

I wouldn't talk about bad actors.

Don't throw stones in glass houses about bad actors, sir.

I saw you in the last year.

I wasn't impressed.

That's right.

Well, other people were, and it doesn't matter whether you were or not.

Your opinion is everyone I talked to says you ruined the show.

They all said you ruined it because your acting was really bad.

Okay, good.

Good.

You should have told that to the Richard Saussman followed me on Twitter.

Yay!

Hey, hey, so hey, so Michael.

He and I had a couple debates.

I'm willing to move past this and just go to the meat and potatoes.

Let's just be civil.

All the potatoes, guys.

Michael, should we call this a ball and let me just say the words?

Don't run away.

Haas, I will never run away from you.

I'll choke you unconscious anytime you want.

Look, do you want on the mat?

Of course, on the mat.

We'll go on the mat if you want.

If you want.

I mean, you already called for me to be drone strike, so I don't know what well.

You support terrorists.

And you like authoritarianism.

So, Michael, I think that you're the smart one of the two.

Do you want to have a philosophical debate or no?

You want to run away from the police?

Michael doesn't want to deal with somebody who has bad faith, but I do want to explain something.

Let's begin.

Because you did say something in a tweet of yours that we don't have a real party, that the American Capitalist Party is not real.

It's not real.

That the American Communist Party is a real party.

However, I want you to know something.

When you declare that you are a party, do you know you have to declare yourself to the IRS?

Have you declared?

I thought you were a libertarian.

You declared yourself to we still have to live according to the laws of the state.

Have you guys declared yourself?

It's also illegal.

Have you been accepted under the Statute 527 of the AI Commission?

You should call the IRS and report.

If you suspect we haven't, you should report us.

Do your due diligence.

I not only suspect that you have, I have a several lists of violations that you are not in compliance with.

But my point is, my point is, my point is, not to bring that up, my point is that.

Sorry, you caught me off guard there.

My point is that we are the legitimate party.

We are legally registered with the United States government.

We are in compliance with the Federal Election Commission.

And you are not.

You're out of compliance with all of the laws and regulations that every party political party are subject to.

I just want to have a civil debate.

I'll let you know.

I just wanted to let you know that you guys are the fake.

You're the fake one.

I think it's the IRS will be contacting you.

And we will be fine.

I'll get your point, Mark.

I want to say that.

Am I not allowed to speak at all?

Mark, you're not.

Go ahead.

According to who?

Hold on.

According to who?

I find it incredibly important.

You're not the boss that we have.

I am the boss.

No, you're not.

And the American capitalists.

I'm not a libertarian.

Okay.

This guy who wants free markets and no government or whatever.

And you're citing us regulations.

So you're saying that we should not be in compliance with the law.

No, I just think it's funny because you're saying we shouldn't be in compliance with the law.

Dude, please let me finish one thing, man.

You're saying we shouldn't be in compliance with the law.

I don't know.

No, no, but I'm saying that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is.

What is it?

You're claiming there's a parody.

You're the one who talks about this individual ethics and morality being the source of social change.

And you want this free market that doesn't have any government interference.

Indeed.

But then when it comes to the actual existing thing, you're going right to government regulations.

The existing thing.

I'm following them.

The existing thing is government regulations that you have to follow.

Don't you see?

Do you plan on running somebody for government?

You who believe social change is based on your notions of ethics.

How are you going to run?

So why are you forgetting your ethics?

I don't get it.

How are you going to run people for government?

Mark, if I may, let me take a stab at this, please.

Okay.

Haas, how are you going to run people for government?

Sure.

You're going to run people for government.

We're going to field candidates.

How are you going to do that without being in compliance with the Federal Election Commission?

We are not the ones who talked about our entire position being premised on our subjective moral outlook, Law.

That was you.

We actually understand that.

Then why aren't you in compliance with them?

Who said we're not in compliance?

Who said that?

That's what you said.

Based on what?

Are you in compliance with them?

Because we have evidence that you're not going to be able to do it.

But you didn't ask.

What's the evidence?

So you are in compliance with the law.

So it seems to me that you have failed to comply with 8871 of the IRS code.

You have a failure to comply with 8453.

That's your proof.

Based on what?

On the research that we have done on you, on the research that we've done on your party.

Can you, like, besides just stating it as fact without any evidence, can you be more specific about what we're in violation of?

You have not declared to the government that you started a political party, have you?

Noah, have we not filed our organization with the government?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, big time.

We've actually.

Then why did you not know what a 527 was?

And why you're making a lot of assumptions.

I don't know.

Why did you not know what code 887 was?

Well, I have code 4532, which says that you're really butter right now.

Do you have an EIN number?

You're the chairman of the party.

I do.

If you want to look it up right now, I'll tell you.

I'll tell you what it is.

Look it up right now.

123456-22529.

Look it up right now.

um okay so uh i don't know what this research is um but the the re the research into uh whether you guys have actually complied with the law yeah but like like mark you're just saying you're gonna have to look up the number like i don't even know if like look i'm not in our legal department right but i don't know if that's even public information that you can get our ein yes you can okay you can get whether or not you are in compliance with the law and look it up you can uh we did this the secretary of the party the ein number i just gave you look it up the secret the secretary of the party that you are not in compliance with the i think with the internal recording mark i think you're you're gonna have to look up the code that i just gave you or else you'll never know

Nor are you in compliance with the FEC.

Look, I think your secretary may want to redo his research a bit.

But this is a silly.

I shouldn't assume genders.

Let's get to the actual meat and potatoes argument because this is getting silly, man.

I think excluding me from the debate is awfully convenient.

Give me the number again, Haas, because I'm going to have it searched right now.

All right, right now.

I've got about a minute before I have to go, Mark.

Michael, don't run, please.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 5, 2, 9, 1, 2, 5, 7.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

Mark, he's making up numbers, Mark.

He's making up numbers, Mark.

I can't.

I can't do it.

Haz, you're a child.

I can't do it.

You're a child.

Look, you're a child.

And you think this is somehow makes the Communist Party look.

I just want to debate.

I'm only fucking with you because you said I can't debate.

Why don't we just debate?

You look cheap, brother.

That's all you look at.

What am I supposed to do?

You said I'm not allowed to debate.

So I guess our parting words are: you guys aren't in compliance.

Oh, you're running away.

Haz.

Your tail between your legs.

Haas has just proved it.

You're running.

I want to have a civil debate.

Do you want to have a civil debate?

Yes or no?

No, BS.

I want to have a civil debate.

I want to have a civil debate with an adult.

You're not an adult.

And you've made this information.

Well, let's prove it.

Rob.

I am right starting from here.

Starting from here.

You're already a civil debate.

No, Haas.

You lost.

You already lost it.

No more.

Why are you running?

It's so convenient for you to run.

At Noah, if you want to have this debate with somebody else.

Has there ever been a capitalist system without violence and force, Mark?

Has there ever been a capitalist system without violence and force?

That's all I'm asking you.

It's predicated upon.

When has there ever been one in reality without violence and force?

When has there ever been any political system without violence and force?

Never.

So I'm asking you, has there ever been a capitalist society that was not premised by violent dispossession of people from their land?

It was yes.

Name one.

Please name one example.

The capitalist system has been the mitigating.

Wait, wait, wait.

Name one example of it then, Mark.

The mitigating factor of violence.

But then it's founded upon violence.

In every case, it's founded upon violence.

It's founded upon the mitigation of violence.

Name one example of it not being founded upon violence.

I don't debate children, so I'm not going to debate.

Can you name one example, please?

Noah.

When you want to have a debate, I tried to debate something substantive.

He ran.

I don't know what to do, guys.

Tell you what, Mark.

Name me an example of a capitalist system that isn't predicated on violence and the theft of land and all of that.

I will name you a system whose ideals enable it to self-correct.

Why are you avoiding the question?

The entire world.

No, it doesn't.

The entire world.

Okay, okay.

Let's answer that question.

Brutality and murder.

That's capitalism.

That applies to capitalism.

Let's give actual reasons.

Name in a single example of capitalism where that isn't applicable to capitalism as well.

You can look at the hockey stick graphs of human thriving throughout history and you see the hockey stick rise in human threats.

Let's start with the basketball.

Let's not get to hockey.

Let's start with the baseball.

Are you talking about that?

Directly correlates with the birth of capitalism and liberalized markets and liberalized governments at the same time.

Name a single example.

Name one real example of that.

I agree they liberalize.

The world has always been violent.

They created markets, Mark.

States have always been violent.

The only thing that has mitigated violence has been the existence of capitalism.

But capitalism could not exist.

Not communism.

Specifically, capitalism could not exist without the violent dispossession of people from their land.

Wrong.

Name a single exception then.

Name a single exception.

But name an exception, then.

Name one society that has existed in history that's an exception to the rule.

Name one society in existence in history that doesn't have a history of violence.

But I can describe to you in detail the particular way.

Name one, name one that doesn't have a history of violence.

And capitalism is just as violent as any other system.

Wrong.

It isn't.

Name one that doesn't have a violence.

There's none.

So capitalism is the same as every other system.

When did violence start becoming a mitigated factor as opposed to the colours?

For capital accumulation in particular to even be possible, people need to be violently alienated from their land.

Yes.

Well, then there should be an example.

Marxist bullshit.

There should be an example.

There should be an example that disproves the rule.

Is there even one in history?

Look, every entrepreneur in history has been an example of capital accumulation.

Entrepreneurs are not the ones that create the capitalist system.

Entrepreneurs take for granted.

Well, okay, the British East India Company, were they entrepreneurs?

The British East India Company was a government-sponsored monopoly, so it's not capitalist.

But without the British East India Company, the entrepreneurs of the British Industrial Revolution could not exist and would not have a basis to exist.

The British system was in the world.

That was the foundation of capitalism.

Capitalism.

Mark?

And imperialism.

No, it wasn't.

So name a single example of a capitalist system that doesn't rest upon that premise and foundation, then?

After you name to me a single system that expressed upon the system.

I won't name it.

I can't.

Because you can't.

But you can, but you can name when civilization started to become less violent, and that correlated with the industry.

But there was more violence as a consequence of capitalism.

No, capitalism caused far more violence.

Is there a civil war in history you can name more violent than the first two world wars?

Wrong.

Correct.

No, and they were started by status systems, not capitalism.

The World War I was started by statist systems.

That's correct.

Status socialism.

So the Napoleonic system.

Bismarckian socialism?

What is that?

But then we're operating under the...

But then hold on.

In one breath, you're going to attribute Germany's industrial success to capitalism.

In another breath, you're going to say it's Bismarckian socialism.

I'm not saying anything about their industrial system.

But in terms of the human prosperity that you're attributing to capitalism, Bismarckian socialism was indispensable in that development.

So what are we attributing to capitalism, and what are we attributing to...

So whenever something's bad, you call it socialist, but whenever something's good, you call it capitalist.

Where's the consistent definition we're working with so that we know you're not just bullshitting?

This is precisely what you're talking about.

You're claiming that capitalism was the beginning of violence.

I never said that.

You're implying it.

I'm not implying that at all.

I'm saying capitalism in particular depends upon violence, and there's not a single example of a capitalist society that is not predicated upon violence.

That's all I'm saying.

Absolutely.

Right here, you can see examples of a mostly capitalist system or something.

Name one.

Every day in our own society.

Name one society.

That are predicated upon.

Do you think the American capitalist system is not predicated upon the violent dispossession of people?

The American capitalist system is what ended slavery.

The American capitalist system and the ideals behind it, which are the concept of individual right.

What about the colonization of the federal government?

And that every man is created also not done by capitalists.

How is capitalism behind Lincoln's Lincoln was in a...

Why is Lincoln not a socialist, but Bismarck is?

Lincoln was not a capitalist, correct?

Of course he wasn't.

So how is it that capitalism was responsible for the abolition of slavery when it was the statist Lincoln's Union Army that ended slavery?

Because the North was more or less capitalistic and socialism.

No, but that was a result of Hamiltonian protectionist policies.

That was a consequence of Hamiltonian protectionism, not free market libertarianism.

We're not libertarians.

What we have to understand.

Well, I know, but what is capitalism to you?

If Bismarckian...

All I'm saying is this.

If Bismarckian industrialization is not capitalist to you, then neither is the industrialization that occurred in the North leading up to the Civil War.

That's all I'm trying to say.

Your original concept was which country, which the wars that were starting to capitalize.

And you named America, which is the most retarded example, to be polite.

It's a really stupid example.

World War I you said were capitalist societies that started the war.

I said they were not.

It was a Bismarckian socialist economy that started the war.

And World War II, sorry, let me finish.

World War II was also started by a socialist economy called fascism, a different type of socialist economy.

What did Hitler nationalize?

Did Hitler nationalize Hitler nationalized?

Can you name two things Hitler nationalized?

Every single company that was under the control of the government, even if they were nominally private, they had to do the bidding of the national government.

You mean that's true?

But that's true for every single example of a capitalist society in history, Mark.

Every single one.

Nope.

Name a single example where capitalists didn't have to do the bidding of government.

It's true for your communist China.

It's true for American government.

No, name a single...

But it's becoming socialist.

When did American capitalists not have to do the bidding of government?

It's true for every mixed economy that's not available.

At what point in history did capitalists not have to do the bidding of their government?

Capitalists didn't have to basically do the bidding of their government before the 19th century.

So, in the 1700s, according to you, capitalists did not have to do the bidding of their government.

I didn't say every capitalist.

Government has always been mixed.

So, let's just be clear about what you're saying.

No, no, no.

Why engage this guy, Mark?

I don't understand why you're not good faith.

He's a bad faith activist.

Why engage him?

He keeps arguing and bad faith.

Michael, look, dude, just by looking at you, I could tell you're way sharper than this guy.

Why don't you debate him?

You're way sharper than him.

You should take a stab at it.

I suggest you go to the IRS and report yourselves because we've reported you for you.

So they'll be knocking on your door shortly.

I suggest you get a EIN number.

I suggest you do all the things in compliance with election law.

Wait, wait, I need to get the number?

Otherwise, you're not going to be able to elect anybody.

You're not going to be able to elect anybody.

I think I just got the number.

I just got it.

I'm sorry I engaged with these guys.

I just got the number.

You shouldn't have engaged them.

I thought they came for you.

Look, I think here's the thing.

Mark, may we leave?

Yeah, let's leave.

You're running away.

You lost.

Bye.

You suck as an actor.

You're shitty.

Your job sucks.

Noah, I'm so sorry, but like.

I know, I don't want people to say I ruined it because, like, I literally said I'll move past it.

When I brought up the thing about him wanting to drone me, I'm like, all right, I'll move past it.

We'll just focus on the meat and potatoes.

His friend didn't want to debate me.

And Noah, I watched like the first five minutes, and the whole time he was going on a monologue, jibber-babbling about morality.

So I got before I got in the shower, I was just thinking, okay, their whole thing is about morality.

I just want to ask him one simple question: Is it morally consistent to say that journalists and civilians should be killed by drones?

I don't see how I derailed anything.

I don't see how I ruined it.

I don't, I don't know.

Noah, be honest.

Did I ruin it or no?

Hit.

What's up, brother?

That's the problem, right?

Like, look, oh, I think Michael's still here.

He's backstage.

Michael, thumbs me up if you want to come back on.

Yeah, bring him, bring him back.

No, he left.

Okay.

No, like, that's the issue.

Like, I don't care about the, like, I don't think, like, I think it's weird that you think social change happens because we argue coherent systems of ethics.

Like, it's not a subconscious development for people.

But, like, when that's your opinion, you can't just call for someone to be drone strikes because they have an opinion you don't like.

I didn't think you didn't want to take that.

I don't know, man.

I didn't want to take it personally, you know, and like, because I wasn't upset.

I just thought it was a little strange.

Like, okay, you're talking about morality and all this stuff about like your consistent metaphysical moral system.

And I just wanted to know if you regard that as applying to your own actions.

Because one of the things I wanted to argue, actually, is like.

Where are the fruits of this?

Like, what is the what does it look like for this thing to be real?

Right?

Norway, appreciate you.

So, I just wanted, I wasn't asking as a gotcha, I was genuinely asking because I was like, if this can't apply concretely to how you yourself behave, maybe you're willing.

You know, what they could have said is they could have said, Mad Beach, what's up?

They could have said, like, okay, but I'm an imperfect human being, and obviously, there are examples of me being inconsistent.

This is a transcendent moral system of metaphysical values that we can only kind of aspire toward but never fully realize.

I would have accepted that and been, well, I would have continued arguing, like, but I would have been like, okay, so you've addressed what your comments are, how you qualitatively value those comments in relation to your own moral system, and we can move on from that, right?

But he wouldn't do that.

He kept trying to justify his claim that a stadium full of 100,000 people, myself and Jackson, a journalist, should be drone striked and killed.

And he just wouldn't let go of that.

He wouldn't let go of trying to justify that.

And you know what's like I was trying to sort of jump in, but like every time you like said something, he would interrupt and just repeat the same thing.

Right.

And so I'm trying to like jump in and go, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Noah, these two guys.

This is your justification.

Let's examine it, right?

These two guys get there.

From what I watched, these two guys did nothing but like tag team you and interrupt the shit out of you the whole time from what I saw.

Like, honestly, that's just all I was seeing.

So when I came in, I knew I would have to like.

I would have to like, you know, tell them, hey, you guys have to shut up.

We need to get some words in here.

I wanted to start it.

Like, I was just going to introduce myself.

And then we could actually have a back and forth, you included.

But what I, maybe I was wrong because I was showering for like 20 minutes, but like, I was getting prepared and showering for like 20 minutes.

But like, what I was seeing before I got in the shower was them just talking over you, like taking turns going on monologues and barely letting you get a word in.

Am I wrong about that?

Or?

I mean, they're so they were interrupting me.

Yeah.

I was, I was trying to sort of just actually hear them out.

Yeah.

Right.

And so that's like when it's just one person, that's no big deal.

But when it's two people, I guess it's stark, right?

Like it really is in the face.

But like, I can't, I don't know.

I was beginning to get a bit impatient.

Like, okay, that's enough of the gibber.

Let's just, and I'm trying to be nice about it, going like, let's not jibber at each other rather than saying, dude.

The way I see it, though, no, it's like, if they are debating about political issues.

I think it's a huge insult that they like went on this whole tangent about morality and metaphysics and moral systems when you know working people in this country want to see meat and potatoes.

They want to see results.

They want to see what does this actually all amount to in reality.

I don't know if people really want to spend their free time gibbering or entertaining substanceless gibber.

And I feel like what I brought up to them helped illuminate the fact that it was substanceless because it didn't even apply to their own positions and how they themselves conducted themselves in public, you know, calling for people to get murdered because they have different opinions.

And not even that, it just doesn't actually reflect anything real in people's lives.

Like, who cares if you believe that, you know, you can't in something called a non-aggression principle, right?

Who cares if you, and this was I was trying to tell him at first, like, why should I care that you have this like ethical system?

Like, I don't.

Especially when they can't consistently apply it to their own actions.

This guy, the other guy, brought up that I was, you know, wrong for bringing up his past that he stabbed someone.

But he, right off the bat, said that I was a bad faith actor, right?

So he's the one who began the encroaching upon civility, you know, that occurred.

Yeah, I think maybe like maybe that was a little, I don't know.

I feel like it's fair.

He said he was sharp.

Because at that point, he completely said that he's not willing to engage with me in any capacity at all.

Right.

Like, no, he really said that, like, he really.

yeah no okay okay maybe it did cross the line a little right but at that point it was just like i was just so sick of just hearing mark say the same thing over and over that i was just like okay at least this is different right um but like honestly i kind of i i thought that guy michael was kind of cool believe it or not Like I was like, I feel like he seems like a dude that I would have known when I was younger.

Yeah, I don't.

You know what I mean?

Like, he probably is a cool guy.

I don't know.

But for me, I try to put myself in other people's shoes.

Look, I did lose it.

I will admit, I did lose it when he started looking up the EIN.

Michael had to tell Mark that the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven was fake.

I could, yeah, that was that was when I lost it, and I lost composure.

By the way, guys, an EIN is an employer identification number.

Um, you can't like employ anyone without it, like, you can't do it.

So, like, it's it just strikes me as odd because, like, okay, they don't call themselves libertarians, but that was where all of their arguments are the spaces they're in.

And so, first, we had the libertarians creating a party that is asking people for handouts while the communist party is building businesses.

Then, the capitalist party is like citing government regulations at the communist party.

Like, it's just like if you believe this subjective, like, like view of your ethical system is what creates change, why can't we bring up that that's inconsistent with how you're acting just like throughout the whole thing?

Um, let's get to hold on.

We got like a bunch of stuff.

Noah, I uh I don't want to uh keep you.

Um, yeah, no, that's fine, brother.

Uh, yeah, I'll see you.

Noah, and look, I apologize if I made a mess of it.

I was genuinely just trying to like move at the moment.

I knew they got triggered just from the question, I was like, okay, I'm willing to move past it.

I'm willing to be civil.

They really just got so triggered by that question.

I don't feel like that's I feel like it's kind of unreasonable why they got so upset by that question.

You know, I don't know.

Yeah, I think it was kind of odd.

Well, you know, like when you're caught in it, not everyone is upfront to like when you figure out you're wrong about something, go, oh, my bad.

That's real hard for people to do on the internet, man.

You know, uh, not everybody has the virtue ethics of a communist, after all.

Yeah, um, anyway, Noah, my bad if I made a shit show of it, but I genuinely had good intentions.

I did not have the intention of making a mockery of them, but they all good, all good, brother.

All right, see you later, man.

Bye-bye.

See you, brother.

See ya.

All right, we're gonna get to the.

The super chats, everybody.

Uh I how

Yeah.

What a crazy, crazy night, guys.

What a crazy night.

Um

I don't know what you guys think.

I was trying really hard to not

I don't know like oh I was too loud, my mic wasn't working that well, I don't know.

But

I genuinely wanted to have a philosophical debate.

Um

I did.

I really did.

But for some re maybe it's like a maybe it's a cultural difference.

Maybe I'm just like a two Arab or something.

I don't know.

I don't know what it is.

I felt like I was being reasonable.

I felt like it was a reasonable question.

Namely, you know, if you're so moral consistent, American good office, why did you call for us to be droned?

Because in fairness, that's what started everything.

And then I even took the debate away from that and I wanted to talk about violence in relation to capitalism.

And he constantly was just kind of panicking and he was extremely inconsistent.

Uh when it comes to like, you know

What is capitalism?

He said, you know, German industrialization was not capitalistic.

Okay.

But then, in the same breath, he attributed the abolition of slavery to capitalism, which doesn't make sense because the northern industrialists were, you know, that was a consequence of Hamiltonian economics, not his notion of, I don't know what he meant by capitalism.

He also wouldn't define it.

So I don't just focus on when I was fucking with them, is all I'm trying to say.

There were many examples of me actually trying to get them to commit to something, right?

And it's because they wouldn't engage that I started fucking with them.

Which I'm sorry, but it's literally the guy from Lost.

It's so random.

Um

See, this is why people are scared of debating me, though.

Because

No, that's not what happened.

Alright, what happened?

What happened then?

I genuinely don't know what happened.

I felt like I was in the right.

To ask the basic question of why he's calling for my death.

I was fucking with them wi from the start a little bit.

Well, if that's true, in fairness, he did call for my death and that's all I know about him.

I wanted to clear that up before anything.

You know?

I wanted to clear that up, that's all.

Should have done what you did at the beginning, but at the end.

Should have done what you did at the beginning what?

I don't get that.

You should have done what you did at the beginning.

Oh, you're saying I should okay, you're saying I should have uh asked him about why he um well, I wanted to introduce myself and I wanted to like address, you know, how we came into

contact, like how he even found out about who I am.

And the reason I brought it up is 'cause as I was introducing myself, I was basically saying, um, you know me because you called for my death.

You know?

That's how you know me.

And I feel like that should be cleared up.

And then once it became clear to me that he was butthurt about it, I was like, I'm willing to move past it.

We can move past it.

You know?

I'm willing to move past it.

Let's move past it.

But he said, no, you're a bad faith actor.

I'm not going to engage you at all.

I don't know why.

You know, they weren't interested in debate.

They were just interested in lecturing Noah about gibber.

And then I joined, and he was like, You have to let me finish.

Just like, dude, you've been going on a monologue this whole time.

I'm here.

The dynamic has changed.

Now it's a 2v2.

We should address the elephant in the room and allow me to introduce myself and then have an actual debate with 2v2, not 2v1, you know?

Should have been chill at first and turned up the heat.

He was already heated when I joined.

That's just the truth.

He was already like butthurt when I joined.

Couldn't you just not take the cause for your death so much personally?

Um I didn't really take it personal.

It's just that I felt like it should be addressed because I wanted to know like because I remember they were talking about moral systems for 10 or 15 minutes, okay?

So I wanted it to be addressed because I wanted to know if that's part of their moral system.

Because they could they weren't gonna just rehash all the shit they had said already to me when I joined.

So I want it to be clear, since they're arguing about morality being fundamental, I want it to be clear that this is part of their moral system.

That's it.

Yeah, MIG is like, I feel like MIG is on point, all right?

It couldn't have gone any other way because look at how he was carrying himself on X.

You want to talk about good faith or bad faith actors?

Look at this shit he was saying on his ex, you know?

Maximilian, what's up?

You know, if you want to have a debate where we treat each other as good faith actors and it's just a discussion, I'm totally fine with that.

But I do want it to be addressed.

Why you called for my murder.

That's it.

I just wanted it to be addressed.

He didn't want to address it.

I was even willing to move past that and have a good faith discussion.

When I clearly could tell that, like, he was, he was bothered by that question.

You know?

And uh i you know guys

Maximilian, appreciate you.

He's gonna choke me out on the mat.

But I kind of feel like I just like expose the bullshit.

I don't know.

Like, okay, we could have a debate talking about the metaphysical, axiological, moral commitments of the value system.

A value is defined as a self-referential goal in which the ends are defined by itself as something that is qualitatively good.

We could do that.

But why not do the working class thing, wrap it up, and let's get to the fucking concrete point about what we're actually talking about here.

You literally just called for me to be drone strike for having a different opinion than you.

Cut the gibber, let's get to the meat and potatoes.

Alright, who has patience for gibber, not me?

Who has patience for jibber?

I don't have patience for it.

I don't know if you guys have patience for it.

Noah does have patience for it.

That's true.

Alright, let me see.

Um

Hold on, let me uh

I don't know.

All right.

I don't know.

Like, from my perspective, I felt like debate should have substance, right?

I know g Gay Liar is similar, you know, he wants to gibber about metaphysics.

I want to talk about reality, you know, things that actually matter, that are of consequence.

I have to, I need to see.

I'm going to submit to the criticism of the EB on that.

All right.

I know Kyle really liked what I did, probably.

I want to know what everyone else thinks.

I don't know.

If I get criticized, I accept it.

I fully accept it.

I accept whatever judgment.

Um

But we're gonna do a confront the chairman.

He justified killing a statement full of civilians, said he was gonna call the IRS on you, couldn't name a single capitalist society that wasn't predicated on violence, then ran away all in the space of ten minutes.

Easy dubby.

Yeah, it's really the truth.

I don't know.

I was not angry at any point in that debate.

Just understand that.

I was not angry at any point in that debate.

Was I having a little bit of fun?

Just a little bit.

Maybe.

It was lighthearted.

Anyone who's a real one would have taken it like a champ, would have laughed, and would have been chill about it.

Have a sense of humor.

Yeah.

That shit about that shit can go viral.

You know, the Zionist, his Zionist bullshit.

That could go viral.

Make sure to clip that, guys.

Put it on TikTok and that shit can go viral for real.

Because every he's a famous actor and he should be exposed for calling for the murder of 100,000 civilians.

I'm gonna confess.

I got it from the chat.

Someone, I don't know where I read it.

Someone was like, You should say, Let me take a stab at it.

I stole that from someone from IGG.

I stole the stab thing from IGG.

Uh

I stole it.

But uh

He thought the EIN number was 1234567.

What a stupid boomer.

What a dumb boomer.

Hehehehehehehehehehehe

Yeah.

Oh man.

Yeah guys.

Again, I'm not offended or whatever that he said I should be killed.

I just want to know if it's part of his moral system he was talking about.

That's all.

That's all I wanted to know.

Woe unto me for for for s having some basic questions.

Anyway, guys, I apologize if I hijacked a very intellectual discussion.

Anyway, let's uh

Let's do our Confront the Chairman space.

And let's get the ops.

Any the co-host, Kyle, if you're here.

Bolshevik, what's up?

Kyle, if you're here.

You would be a great co-host.

Um

Noah 2.

I don't know what Noah's doing.

He's going to bed soon or something.

He said like some famous guy followed him, I don't even know what that is.

And then and then and then and and

Isaiah Carter, is that the guy he's talking about?

Isaiah Carter was like talking shit about me.

I don't know.

I don't know what that is.

I don't know what's going on any more.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's gonna call everyone.

Oh man, all right, let's start the confront the chairman space.

Okay, what a strange, strange world.

This reminds me of the time

that I was trolling

Um

I was trolling um

What the fuck?

Oh, spaces, not live.

Alright, let's um.

Brunt, the Chairman.

Start your space.

Alright, here's the space.

Let me share it with the Discord so you can all share it with the world.

And if anyone can co host, like Kyle or anyone else from the E B or whoever, Eddie, I don't know.

Uh or Rev or someone, I don't know.

Yeah, it remind yeah, it reminds me of the Dead Mouse thing, honestly.

So RTSG, maybe you can co-host.

Is that Rev?

Invite to co-host.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I bet RTSG gets banned from everything though.

Or blocked from everything.

Well, yeah, we're going to be doing another Confront the Chairman Space.

I missed the last two.

So we have some debt.

But, you know, we want to bring in people who have questions for the party.

Want to bring in people who have hostilities to the party and to me personally.

You know.

Everyone who's been talking shit, everyone who's been saying nonsense.

This is your chance to directly confront me.

And ask.

You don't have to confront me.

You can ask questions.

You can.

This is your opera.

I'm talking directly to the masses, to the people, you know.

So

Uh, who wants by the way?

The DHS agents that are watching this, I hope it's entertaining for you.

Okay, there is a reason.

There is a guerrilla army.

You know, there's a reason.

Some people.

Because there are wild things that happen on these streams.

Like, I debate the guy from Lost, for example.

Joseph, let's bring Joseph on.

What's going on?

I just wanted to say, I didn't want to confront you or anything.

I love watching your stuff on X.

I just wanted to say good job and keep up the good work.

Oh, thank you, brother.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

If you see anyone requesting Rev, if that's you, please bring them up.

And uh

Yeah, let's get right into it.

Let's get right into the meat and potatoes.

Uh, there are clearly people who talk badly about us.

This is your chance to and there's a lot of people that don't like us 'cause they argue with the gorillas, they argue with the uh

The cultists, right, well here's the cult leader that you can confront directly.

Directly.

You know, it's a it's quite the opportunity I extend to literally everyone.

To just confront me, what do you have to say?

Sometimes people are in my replies, hoping that I see the I don't always see them.

Um

You can just tell me right now what you have to say.

with your own voice.

That's the that's the problem.

A lot of people don't want to use their voice.

That's really the issue.

They don't want to use their voice.

I just had the guy from Lost, Jacob from Lost, say that he's gonna choke me out.

Um

And

That's just something that happened to me tonight.

Just one of the things, you know, that.

I'm a very interesting person.

Very interesting gentleman, you know.

I travel the world.

I have famous Hollywood actors threaten to kill me.

Lot of interesting things going on in my life, to be honest.

It's a really quite the opportunity to speak with me, actually.

It's quite the opportunity.

Quite the opportunity to speak with such an interesting person.

Yeah, bring Michael.

Well, Michael has already said that he'll never speak to me again.

He'll never acknowledge I exist.

I'm basically dead to him.

He didn't even have to stab me.

That's how much he's transcended the need.

For

You know.

He is in the realm of the mor metaphysical moral system, the perfect one that doesn't exist in reality.

He can he can I can be dead in his eyes, he doesn't even need to stab me.

Because he is euphoric.

Because he isn't euphoric and he's enlightened by his own intelligence.

Faded Daystar.

Let's see what's going on.

Faded Daystar.

What's going on?

Go ahead.

Yo, Faded, what's going on?

I wanted to tell you that you completely besmirched your friends and your comrades' reputation on the debate tonight by insulting Michael Leibowitz and by spitting on Mark Pellegrino like a child that I suppose you are not supposed to be if you want to be a part of something as big as a political party.

I'm honestly disappointed, not because I stand on Mark and Michael's side, which I do, but because I came in there wanting to listen to civilized men talking civilizedly with each other and what I have gotten since you have busted in was just a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

That's everything I have to say.

Congratulations on ruining your party's reputation.

Goodbye.

You'll stay, right?

Oh, she left.

I think she left.

Well, you know, I just think I all I did w I had a question about him calling for my murder, that's it.

And I said I was willing to move past it and he wasn't, you know.

So I don't know if that was Ayn Rand herself.

It kinda sounded like that was Ayn Rand herself.

But

I just uh you know, I I feel like it was reasonable for me to ask why he called for my murder, even though I've done nothing, I've never killed anyone, unlike his friend who stabbed someone.

And that's you know, that's really I mean, i if if I need to be murdered,

He's like, Oh, well you you should be murdered 'cause you kill people It's like, Well, y your your your debate partner stabbed someone.

So clearly you don't have the discernment to care about these things.

I've never I've never stabbed anyone, you know.

All I did was attend a funeral.

Now I should be killed.

I just wanted to get to the bottom of how that was compatible with his moral system.

That's it.

That's all.

I don't know what the issue is.

Um, but Ayn Rand just came on herself.

It was literally Ayn Rand.

She came on and uh.

She g yeah, she chewed me out.

Uh Rev, is there anyone else requesting?

'Cause I can only see Cardi.

I yeah, there's no one else.

No one is this who is this Ross or Rev?

Who's yeah, yeah, it's Ross.

Oh, it's Ross up, Ross.

All right, well, uh, okay.

Well, again, guys, I'm a very interesting person.

Like, look what just happened.

Look what just happened.

You know, Ayn Rand herself literally just came on.

And and chewed me out.

In the same night

Jacob from Lost

Told me he wants to kill me.

Choke me out.

Ayn Rand herself also came on, and talked about how she was so disappointed.

So, I'm a very interesting person, to say the least.

It's really a privilege to speak with me.

You guys should be you should be seizing upon this opportunity.

You know, you should be seizing, seizing upon the opportunity to speak with me.

And also, you know, you guys are always fighting with the gorillas all the time.

I see it.

So go fight with me.

Directly.

Yeah.

But in any case

We got a lot of celebrities out here.

We've just antagonized a whole network of people, you know?

I don't honest to God, all I wanted to know was whether it was consistent with their moral system.

He said I was a bad faith actor.

I said he was a bad actor in general.

And uh that's just um

That's just how it went, you know.

Eye for an eye.

You know?

But who will confront me?

Who will you don't have to confront me, you can just ask me a question.

You can be passive aggressive.

However I mean, look, am I a monster?

Am I scary?

Am I scaring you right now?

I'm a totally normal guy.

Completely normal, well adjusted individual.

Who's getting death threats by Hollywood celebrities.

I am such a normal, well-adjusted person who is very calm.

No one should be afraid.

And

All right.

All right, Cardi, I'll just bring you on, I guess.

Very quickly though, 'cause we're trying to get ops, we're not trying to get gorillas.

Go ahead.

All right, can you hear me?

Yeah.

Okay.

So my only question is, why do you say that uh communism is as American as apple pie?

Um

Do you not know?

Or well, yeah, I mean, I I was there, I think, the first time you said it.

Yeah, but uh, the whole time, like every time you said it, I think, I always say that American pies or sorry, apple pie is British.

Oh, okay.

I see where you're coming from.

Well, it's a figure of speech, you know, it's talking about how it's a it's a very it's a phenomena vi which has deep roots in this land, you know, dating back all the way to the uh the first settlements.

The first um societies that came here from Europe.

Also the the societies of the um the i the uh indigenous people as well.

You know, so it's communism all around.

Alright.

That's it.

Thank you.

For sure.

See you later.

Okay, so um also oh sorry, I disconnected you too fast.

Alright, that was literally not that was not on purpose.

Alright, well, it's time to confront me, guys.

It's time to confront me.

It's time to It's time to speak directly.

To the

To the person who's behind so much mental anguish for many people on this website.

Instead of tearing your you know, there was one guy who came the Brazilian guy he came on.

He was one of the people.

Very brave.

Look, I'm a completely, I'm not angry at all.

I'm very calm, very normal.

All you have to do is come on.

Come embarrass me.

You can embarrass me as well.

It should be easy.

You should you should you can own.

You can you can tell a joke and make me completely destroyed.

Ah, but no one will even try.

I'm turning a new leaf.

I know I'm a very feared person.

I'm changing my image because I'm under official investigation.

So I'm a nice guy now.

Now that I'm under investigation I've become a nice man.

Ah, so whoever wants to speak to me, I promise I won't yell at you.

Because uh

I'm officially under investigation now.

Uh Ross, really, there's no one.

I see no one, yeah.

That's incredible.

In the space, I don't see that Henry.

Finally, we have someone.

What's going on?

I was just wondering, are you guys ever gonna make an A C P uh meme coin?

Ah no, why?

So I just wanted to buy one maybe, but I don't know if you guys make it.

I I think it'd be pretty cool.

Yeah, it's not gonna happen.

All right, I'm a big fan.

I'm gonna drop down now.

Okay, for sure.

For sure.

So, we're, you know, I don't know where the ops are.

You know, they seem very interested in talking about us and talking to gorillas and replying and arguing, but they don't come to these spaces ever.

And it is a reasonable time.

It's 8:51.

I am just a little surprised.

That's all.

I'm going to bring someone up.

Jamal's guy.

Yes, perfect.

I've become Persian.

Calm.

Patient, no longer angry.

Wait, Ross, you said someone's coming up?

Yeah, I don't know where he went.

I approved him, then he left, I think.

What a fucking disaster.

Um, hmm.

You know how, like, no one ever conf no one ever confronts me.

They always just attack you guys.

I feel like they're trying to.

Their whole point is, like, oh, Haas, we're not going to even acknowledge Haas.

He shouldn't even be taken seriously.

But they get really angry at the fact that you guys take me seriously, so they argue with you.

And it's like, you know, at this point, you should stop.

Coping, you should just debate me directly.

That's the only way.

If you want to get to the root of this entire thing in terms of, you know, arguing with my supporters, you should just debate me.

But if you're afraid to do that, you know, I understand, 'cause you're probably gonna lose

Just like Mark did.

He also lost big time.

But I'm very calm.

I'm under official investigation now.

I've become a nice guy.

I've become Persian.

I'm not uh Lebanese anymore.

I don't get angry.

I'm completely chill.

'Cause I don't wanna scare my DHS handlers.

And I am just here for civil conversation, dialogue.

Adam from France.

That's correct.

Adam from France.

I'm just here for dialogue now.

Conversation.

conversation and dialogue about the things that matter.

Very peacefully, by the way, very peacefully.

By the way, very calmly.

But even then, everyone's still afraid.

I'm trying to change my image.

I know I'm very feared.

I know people feel terrorized by me.

But now you should feel welcomed.

This is a

Now the IRS is also investigating me, by the way.

J uh dude, what's going on?

Um

Uh go ahead unmute yourself.

This is the one person that had the courage, by the way.

Go ahead, unmute yourself.

Alright, bring on the next person if there's anyone else requesting.

Fuck ACP.

Okay.

Uh let's let's develop that.

Oh, he just left.

Okay.

Well, he he shared his opinion.

It's a dialogue, it's a conversation.

You know.

Very brave, by the way.

It takes a lot.

I know he had to rehearse that.

Many times.

Julian, go ahead, please.

Yeah, yeah, hi.

Can you hear me okay?

Yes, I can.

Yeah, I'm not a opt or anything, but I have a question.

There was a tweet that went around recently and there were some gorillas uh commenting on it.

And I guess the tweet was like it was like uh gender ideology just sort of s r like serves reactionary uh elements of the left wing or whatever.

I I want to know like what you thought about that more specifically about how to think about gender ideology and like what it means actually for us, you know, if that makes sense.

Um

Yeah, I have many gender ideas.

You know, it's a ideology.

And uh you know

Well what do you think?

Oh, well I mean I agree with the tweet that I thought that uh the gender ideology just kind of a distraction from the more, you know, class-based stuff, I guess, yeah.

Well, I personally think that's really fascist, to be honest.

Right, which is what I thought also, right?

It's kind of like something Hitler would say.

But but how do you like actually respond to that though?

Like if you want to bring these people to us, you know, if you have something kind of like that, you know?

If you go to a job site, do you feel like you would ever you'd ever be put in a situation where you'd have to respond to someone getting upset by claiming that gender ideology is like retarded nonsense?

And personally, no, I don't, but a lot of people do.

Right.

And I think there's even even on college campuses, I think there's a silent majority of people who just think it's retarded but are scared to say anything 'cause they'll get yelled at.

Oh, I agree with that.

I agree with that.

Well, my my view is that, you know, I don't wanna I don't like I d I'm I'm not personally here to care about people's private lives.

Um I don't, you know.

But w why couldn't they call you fascist though?

Like but but on the other hand, you know, I don't

I don't think there is such a thing as a gender ideology.

I think gender is something that's material like it's part of a culture.

It's in materially speaking.

I'm not just saying biology.

I'm saying it's part of culture objectively.

And that's not something that is an idea, you know?

Ideas are something much more abstract.

So that's my response, basically.

It's like it's stupid to think you can just make up a gender.

It's not how it works, you know, frankly.

I agree, but why do you think people do that?

Like, why is it such a big issue for us, you think?

Mental illness.

Okay, fair enough.

Really, mental illness.

It's a mental, it's family problems and mental illness, honestly.

That's just the truth.

Yeah, all right.

Thanks for the talk, man.

Appreciate that.

Sure.

And I'm a big fan, too.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Okay.

So, uh, Ross, is there anyone requesting?

Yeah, I just tried to pull someone up before they actually joined.

Maybe yeah.

Okay, because I've been meaning to ask a question about people referring to the ACP as a racist party or a white Eurocentric party.

So I want to ask about the ACP's position on the relationship between African Americans and the white working class as a distinct people and culture who find unity in their alienated relationship to capital.

Because leftists on the internet fearmonger about fascism coming to the United States from the perspective of the African Americans, fascism has been here as a reactionary, violent, anti-revolutionary force that defends capital.

So my question would be: do you believe that the path for African Americans to socialism is the same as the white working class?

Or do you assess their path to be distinct from the white working class as race, as an abstract concept?

I don't know if there's a monolithic white working class, because any just about any factory you go to in this country, any blue-collar working class job site.

There's quite a few black people, you know, there's quite a few non white people and

I don't see the distinctions being as pronounced as they are there versus um versus elsewhere.

I understand there are are unique forms of historical national memory that black people in America have that white people don't.

And uh you know so what I believe is that uh we believe in a unified working class movement.

We don't believe in separating it into different ethnic enclaves.

Uh this is you know I I would refer to the writings of Stalin when he critiqued Bundism and Zionism.

Um, that being said, it's okay for black people to have unique culture and unique forms of national historical memory.

We would like that national historical memory to be linked up with a broader, unified uh historical memory.

And it's all one history, you know, it's all one nation.

There's different parts of that nation that are disunited.

We'd like to unite them.

So that's our view on it.

We believe in one nation.

Okay, because as you said, that the African-American community is distinct from as in like having their own culture and history.

Right.

But do you not believe?

It's still an American one, though.

That's the thing.

Yeah, for sure.

I completely agree with you.

But like, from the African-American perspective, for example, the American flag has a different meaning if you're a white American versus a black American.

So do you believe?

Actually, let me just ask the question like this.

Do you believe that African Americans are a colonized people within the United States?

In terms of the relationships to obviously Africa capital and imperialism as the school to prison pipeline, for example, deprived of any economic stake in the state and the country through civil society.

And that's principally the thing, you know.

It's it's about a a developmental inequality that's a consequence of uh exclusion from having a stake in the country.

But I don't s I don't know if I would say they are unique.

If they're colonized, I don't know if I don't know I I don't know how that would be.

I think the whole country is colonized by financial capital.

And so in in that light, maybe I could see where you're coming from, but I don't subscribe to the view that they're a separate nation.

I mean, they are like um from my perspective I would say they're colonized uh because of race as an institution in the United States because I obviously uh believe in the same thing you believe as like people in general all o all over the world are colonized by the alienation of capitalism since the uh emergence of modernity.

Um but because of the racial institutions that exist within the United States and how the devel development of like the uh white American consciousness is completely different from the African Americans.

I think I believe from my perspective that the relationship is different.

Our view is that there's one American nation with different parts and different uh different components.

And that's just how we see it.

I mean uh we don't focus on race because we try to get to the material basis of things.

And when we why there is such a distinct uh reality for black people in America is principally because it's a different part of the history of one nation.

Part of that history of this one nation is a huge portion of people that were formerly enslaved and then upon uh being emancipated from slavery, they were never actually uh given a freehold stake economically in the country.

They were given equal political rights over the course of time.

But the process in which the people acquire an economic stake didn't happen.

And but it it did happen for first of all, I'll tell you, it happened for white people because of the um Ellis Island immigrants were definitely

Uh because of the labor movement principally, we're roped in and given all these benefits and so on uh following the new deal.

Amy?

And the thing is, is that people that decide?

Yes?

Because I can't hear anything.

Okay.

Well, I don't know.

There seems to be audio issues.

This seems to be a very long discussion and topic.

I don't know if we have time to exhaust all of it, 'cause I really don't want to repeat what I just said.

Wait, can you hear me?

Because I can't hear any anything at all actually.

I don't really.

We could have this discussion later, I guess, because I guess it's not the time.

Ross, please.

I mean uh to finish my thought

If for anyone else interested, I guess, because I cut it short.

Um

Having a economic existence is about having land.

You know, what people in Lebanon are fighting for is land, you know.

It's always everything's land, it's all about land, you know.

And a portion of our nation has been deprived of that.

Um because there were all these dynamics in which the population was able to be divided because of the history of the labor movement.

Because people who descended from slaves were utilized, you know, the same dynamics with immigration, that was there as well.

They were utilized.

Uh capitalists utilized racism to divide white and black people because of that because descendants of slaves, you know.

Um

Would work for lower wages, for example, because they were migrating from the south.

So these dynamics, because of the New Deal, this is what created the situation we know of as far as the racial situation.

But we don't like to divide America into different nations.

It's not our view.

Paul, go ahead.

I brought someone up.

Hello?

Yeah.

Hi, I just want to ask, because I've been doing a lot of my own research and all this, because most of the groups I'm in are very anti-the party and stuff, and I tend to be as well.

And the main reason I am, and the main reason I want to ask, is what do you support about Dugan?

Like, why is he part of the reading lists?

And he's listed as the main inspiration.

Because from my perspective, what I've read for him.

I have to correct you.

Dugan is not on any American Communist Party reading list.

Is he not?

I guess, I don't know.

I thought I saw that.

But I do want to ask, does the party...

I don't know.

This is an issue.

There's so much misinformation that's going around.

He is not on any reading list at all for the American Communist Party.

He's not.

No, he's not.

Okay.

So already there are presumptions that are based on people spreading lies that aren't rooted in fact.

If you want to know what I'm saying, because I I that seems to be such like a big prominent thing that I've heard you've heard it because of my personal engagement with Dugan, but that has nothing to do with the party.

The party is not the only binding uh canonical literature and and theory within the party is Marxism-Leninism.

Everything else is uh speculative, and maybe there's a hope and this is separate from the party that can help lead and guide a new synthesis of Marxism-Leninism, but that has to be proven concretely through practice, uh, not through through um uh metaphysics.

So, um if you want to ask me why I engage with Dugan personally, I'm willing to oblige your question, but please let's not get the facts wrong.

All right.

Because the party.

Well, I would also like to ask that, because I would have asked that anyway, even if there was.

Sure.

But I do want to explore that because I personally I've read Dugan stuff.

I've watched a lot of interviews with him.

I I cannot see how he is on the left in any way other than just by name of well was Frederick Hegel on the left?

Was Immanuel Kant on the left?

Was you know were the thinkers that Marx drew from politically in agreement with him about everything?

Almost none of them.

It's actually I can't even really think of a single major intellectual who influenced and shaped Marx's thinking that drew the same political conclusions Marx did relative to the time he lived in.

And it's very important that one understands when it comes to philosophy and theory and when it comes to wanting to develop a a worldview that is correct and true.

You do not define that on the basis of whether people have drawn the same political conclusions as you.

You define it on the basis of the content of what they're saying, and ultimately, what rational kernel is there that can be salvaged, or maybe can't be salvaged.

But in any case, this idea that a thinker should be dismissed because they had wrong political views is extremely reductionist, because you're making the assumption that because they drew a wrong concrete conclusion, that means there is absolutely nothing with respect to their premises that can be salvaged.

But that actually isn't true.

People could get 90% of it correct, and then it's that 10% that led them to go in the wrong direction when it came to their conclusion.

Marx himself.

Had the same view that I'm telling you now when it came to salvaging the rational kernel within a diverse array of different thinkers who may have not drawn the fully correct conclusion but were on to something, right?

And Marx was able to rationally explain.

What actually was the active, animating principle behind the development of their thought that actually did contribute to history?

Adam Smith wasn't a communist.

Very few of the people in classical political economy were communists.

Marx engaged with all of them.

Likewise, Hegel was not a communist.

He defended the status quo of the Prussian monarchy.

And he believed in constitutional monarchy, right?

But to say that Hegel can be thrown out wholesale because he drew wrong political conclusions is an absurdity from the perspective of Marxism.

So, before we talk about Dugan, let's not have a debate about whether Dugan is correct politically or not politically, or whether he's on the left or whether he's on the right.

Let's talk about the content of Dugan's actual thinking and his philosophy and what that actually amounts to.

And if there's a refusal to engage with that in good faith because you want to pin him down and associate him with things that are bad politically, I don't even think it's possible to engage with the question of what draws me to Dugan's thinking.

Well, yeah, that wasn't what I was intending because I've read a lot about Dugan.

I've read a lot of Dugan.

What have you read by him?

Well, I mainly watched a lot of interviews that he's done, honestly.

And you haven't read his books, though, right?

Let me look up.

Let me look up one of his uh because I know I read like a few pamphlets or something, but I can't I don't necessarily remember everything.

He's written books, you know.

He hasn't just written pamphlets.

He's actually written books.

Yeah.

But I I just mainly I I just mainly worry because I j I just I don't know, I just want to get the perspective of you because I it's there's just so much on the internet and it you know, like the more I like join these like Q and A's and stuff and the more I listen, the more like the I don't know people that are in my just making sure that people when they Google us or when they ask around about us that they're given lies so that you know go no further don't don't don't study any further don't research any further don't engage any further they're fascists turn around so that's the whole purpose you know behind that

Yeah.

Well, that I don't know, because that's that's that was mainly my big thing with the party that I've that I really didn't enjoy.

But now that like I'm like asking you personally, well look, I would that makes a lot it makes a lot more sense.

I would simplify um my interest in Dugan as follows.

On the one hand, you can understand that Marxism in the West

in its intellectual and theoretical development, seems to be premised on a basis of a uniquely and specific form of Western metaphysics.

And this is an assumption that is baked in to most readings of Marxism that we have into the West.

And on the other hand, that precise foundation, which is an inceptual kind of background of all thinking, of all the premises we have, that the step one of thinking itself, right?

Mm-hmm.

That is something that Dugan calls into question when he has this notion that there are other metaphysical horizons behind thought.

Now, of course, as Marxists, we reject metaphysics.

But the notion that there is a discursive, fundamentally different, discursive, cultural, and ontological background behind our thinking, our discourse, and our ideologies across different civilizations is very true.

And I think it's something that's almost intuitive.

Things, for example, in Russian politics don't neatly map on or even totally make sense within the context of American politics.

The same is true relative to China and the Middle East and other civilizations.

So there is a difference between these civilizations, not anything innate or essential when it comes to biology or something, but a difference that comes from the step one of thinking itself.

The very background, the ontological background behind discourse seems to be different.

You know, the patterns of thinking, the ultimate reference of rational discourse seems to point to different implicit

um uh variations of the absolute or logos, right?

So Dugan very artfully draws this out and and and attempts to uh devise a kind of conceptual framework in which this could be understood.

And of course, I don't fully agree with it, but I definitely think he has a point.

And I definitely think this should have implications for Marxism.

We should attempt to discern a materialist rational kernel from this fact.

That, and why precisely it's materialist, is because what we're really talking about is the fact that logos should not be taken for granted metaphysically, but is in fact something that has to be reproduced and something which is therefore material.

It is concretely material.

The background of our discourse is concretely material.

That means our discourse, our free inquiry with the use of thought, is not just for free.

It is embedded within a material context.

Different forms of social existence are rooted in different concrete forms.

Of material social existence.

And that is very consistent not only with the logic of Marxism, but the logic of Marxism-Leninism in particular.

Because the whole premise of socialism in one country is that each country represents a different substantive socius, a different form and different context of history and social existence.

So that's why, in an interview, Stalin even said that communism is possible in one country.

He did say that.

He said, especially in a country like ours, the Soviet Union.

Because instead of this notion of one blanket, unilateral metaphysical horizon of social existence, social existence is something concrete.

Now, in Stalin's case, in the form of the country, right?

So that leads us to the question of what that actually is.

What is a country?

What does make a people a unified civilization or a country or one context for the development of history?

And that is exactly the question that Dugan interrogates.

That's exactly a question that Dugan interrogates in really interesting ways.

So that's basically where I'm coming from when it comes to Dugan.

Well, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, yeah.

I see that because when people talk about Dugan and when I've heard about Dugan, it's very like they tend to just say like the basics of like how right-wing he is and how radical like socially he is.

But I definitely see that perspective.

And then also like towards the end there.

By the way, Dugan.

This is another thing that needs to be understood.

Okay.

It's about context.

Inside Russia, Dugin's social views are not really radical.

They're very normal.

It's not something that's extreme.

And that's why, you know, a lot of people who say they're leftists will go and say, well, Russia's a reactionary right-wing society.

Or Lebanon is a fundamentally reactionary right-wing country.

Or Iran is, or China is, or whatever.

And I just fundamentally reject that.

I reject the view that just because societies are different than Western ones, that that somehow means we can reduce them to our value systems and map them onto our political compasses and reduce them to that.

I just reject that.

I I understand that.

So I mean that's where a lot of the co and if you want to know the truth about where it originates, it's the MI6 who's had it out for Dugan, not only had a hand in giving the SBU information pertaining to assassinating him and what they did is they killed his daughter, but it was intended to kill him.

That's them.

The MI6 really hates Dugan a lot.

And anyone who's associated with Dugan in their view needs to be totally canceled and axed and whatever.

And it all comes from the MI6.

Hmm.

Yeah, that that's really that was that was that was really interesting.

I I appreciate that.

Yeah, for sure.

Okay, well yeah, thanks for coming on.

Thank you.

You got someone else coming up.

Sure.

Mark, go ahead.

What's up?

Go ahead, Mark.

Uh oh, sorry about that, I was muted.

Uh so I've got two quick questions.

Uh first one is what is the intended relationship between uh ACP and SolidNet?

Uh I understand there was some chatter about that, but uh you know I'd like a little more you know international.

Alright.

Uh second question.

So uh this relates more to theory and um theory and positioning.

So I think you personally have a good head on your shoulders.

You gotta get a lot of reading under your belt.

But uh why does your name have to be on the box?

And this this kind of applies more to ACP in general.

There's a lot of on the box, like the serial box.

Like is this weedies?

Like so Marxism-Leninism is of course science.

Uh and if a scientific theory is correct, it'll prevail no matter who's saying it.

Uh and my question is there's like a lot of talking heads at the top of the ACP so why does their face have to be on the box?

It just seems like an extension of American chauvinism.

C can you clarify what box you're talking about?

What I mean is, why does your face have to be on the theory if the theory is correct?

Not you personally, but the top talking heads of by my face, do you mean literally my face or my identity as a person, an individual?

More the latter, yeah.

So, like, uh, if you're the thing is that I am not the official philosopher of ACP, um, our ideological theoretical position is in our constitution, and it's something that you know was a

Something that's very much open-ended.

It's just about the historical integrity of Marxism, Leninism.

Um, if people see me as the face of the party, that's on them.

Sometimes people see Jackson as the face, sometimes they see Eddie as the face, sometimes they see um.

Uh sometimes they see Rev as the face, uh, you know, when he's

And he's the chief of the NKVD.

So in any case, uh we can't control what who's on the box, you know.

All we can control is what's on our constitution.

Alright, thank you.

That's it for my questions.

Yeah, for sure.

So Caesar

Bring on Cesar.

Waiting for that to go through.

Are they not is it not are they not gonna join?

Uh, Ross, anyone else is requesting?

Yeah, we got someone else.

I don't know if he's a gorilla or not, though.

Bring him up.

I think he is.

Oh fuck.

Oh, it's uh Kyle.

Okay, um by all means I've joined the ACP and I've been having a fun time like dealing with it and all that stuff, but I'm not asking in part of the ACP.

I'm just asking for a uh friend of mine that has unfollowed me.

She had a question.

Okay.

Let me look it up.

Um okay.

The ACP Communist Party program is far too conservative in scope and doesn't properly address the capitalist mode of production or the transition to for-use production or communist society.

That was her main critique.

Other than Jackson Hinkle's mean tweets.

Who is this friend of yours, or can you not name them?

They go right right.

They're a French communist.

They mainly do like space posting stuff.

Please don't.

No, no, I was just curious.

It's okay.

It doesn't matter.

I would say that I'm kind of surprised by that because we don't name it theoretically and couching it in abstract theoretical language, but more concretely, our program is pretty radical in the sense that it does directly talk about a

A post kind of post-monetary economy, post-capitalist economy that utilizes information technologies to plan industry.

And with respect to the question of facilitating or removing the fetters to the development of a society based in use value rather than exchange value, I don't know what in concrete terms we could have put that would that would be more conducive to that, you know?

I mean, that's fair enough.

Um, that's all I had to say on the part of my friend asking a question that didn't want to input herself into this space.

That's all I had to say.

Okay, yeah, sure.

Thank you.

Uh-huh.

So

Ross, is there anyone else requesting?

Just that Joseph guy from earlier.

Alright.

Is there no one else?

I don't see anyone.

I'm gonna try and buy people.

Mark wants to go back on who's m uh okay.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I've got a I thought of another question.

So I understand there was a fallout with CPUSA a while back, but how does ACP understand the possibility of working with CPUSA for basic work?

Like the lowest level of United Front collaborative?

They would never entertain it.

And constitutionally, we regard ourselves as the reconstitution of the party.

So

if we were to compromise that, we would have to compromise the entire party.

I mean, that being said, if the CP if the so called leaders of the C P U S A wanted to enter into negotiations about some kind of unity of some kind,

You know, they know where to find us.

It's just not gonna happen.

They won't do it.

I actually so I spoke with Joe Sims the other day in person and the communication was, well, he said that we'll work with anybody, but there's probably asterisks around that.

But, you know, I don't know on what terms it would be, but like putting up a table and passing out literature.

I mean, they know where to contact us, and that's all I'll say.

Everything else would be said in private.

But, you know, it's a shame because Joe Sims, before we launched ACP, wanted to talk to some of the guys from Midwestern Marks, and then he canceled it.

But, um, we are not in need of speaking to him.

We're not in need of anything, but

Uh we are open to dialogue with, by the way, PSL as well.

And anyone who so deigns to be interested in that.

So we're not shutting any doors of dialogue and conversation.

Thank you for that openness.

That ends my questions.

Sure.

Yeah.

Thank you.

So we have.

Hammer sickle, triangle,

Yo me?

Yeah.

Alright, I got one question to ask.

Okay.

Uh like, what do you think about black nationalism and like New Africa and shit like that?

Um, I don't know too much about New Africa, but I think we I I think we are interested in black nationalism as a historical phenomena and we we regard it as a legitimate expression of um American national consciousness throughout history, basically is how we'd see it.

Oh wait, actually one more, one more.

Uhhuh.

Uh, what do you think, like, uh I don't know if you've answered this question before, 'cause I don't I don't follow it out too much.

Uh but like what do you think about like uh Canada's independence, like

To say like a hypothetical socialist United States, like would you try to incorporate Canada for like force or censorship?

If we seized power, I think Canada would probably be a launching pad for NATO and for the counter-revolution.

So I think it would be inevitable.

But if you're asking about the current administration's.

ideas about Canada, we are very careful and

Not necessarily, um

We're very cautious when it comes to that.

We don't know what what the agenda is when it comes to that.

And we think that it would lead to a reconstitution of the US as we know it.

And such a reconstitution obviously um

would entail uh

It could entail, you know, calling into question the legitimacy of the state itself.

So we don't wait to see what's going on, but we don't.

We are not particularly fond of encroaching upon the principle of national self-determination and throwing that out of the window.

We take that principle very seriously, and as all Marxist-Leninists throughout history have.

All right, yeah.

Thanks for asking the question.

I appreciate it, man.

Yeah, thank you.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, you love what the rest of the thing.

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

Alright, um Ross, is there anyone else or?

Uh no.

No one else.

I'm inviting people, but yeah, no one else is requesting.

All right, well we might wrap this up soon.

Might actually wrap this up soon.

Yeah, it was an interesting night, to say the least.

Um

Okay, Isaiah

Chinese Jesus, interesting name.

Go ahead, Isaiah.

Isaiah, go ahead and mute yourself.

Oh, um uh what's up?

Yeah, what's up?

What's going on?

I'm sorry, I just I just saw there's a space, I'm not sure what's going on.

It's a question and answer about what?

ACP?

Right.

Right, okay.

Um, yeah, cool.

I used to be in it.

Uh, I got kicked 'cause I was talking shit on Twitter.

You used to be in the party?

Mhm.

What chapter?

Uh, Los Angeles.

Southern California.

Were you the guy that said he was gonna punch me?

No, I never uh threatened violence against anyone.

Uh, it was around the sta I don't know if this is tacky to talk about, but it was around uh some controversy with uh Nick Key and uh a dude named Edwin.

I don't know anyone named Edwin.

Um but Nikki's Nikki's not in the party though, so I don't know what

Yeah, well I was like talking shit about them.

Um and who was it?

It was Kyle Petties.

He like called me over.

He was like, You're being unprofessional.

Um

And I don't yeah, I don't know.

I mean, Kyle would have to be here and talk about what exactly happened, but I don't know what I was just talking some bad shit pretty much.

I was you know, it's

It's whatever.

Okay, so Pinky, go ahead, please.

Oh hey.

Um, so I've I've um not really come across the ACP.

So I'm just as someone who's not really familiar with them, like what's your pitch for the ACP for people who might not be uh well acquainted with your ideas?

Well, we're doing our best to actually build a Communist Party.

We're not perfect, but we don't see how this can be done without someone doing it and taking the leap.

And um we are we uh permit a wide array of diverse views.

We permit the principle of freedom of criticism.

We simply insist upon the principle of collective discipline when it comes to action.

Our party is much more democratic than people think it is, and with the launching of our Central Committee in May, it's going to even be more democratic.

And um I think people should give it a chance.

And um

you need to weigh, you know, the question of whether disputes about subjective opinion are more important than the principle of collective organization itself, which we are trying to give expression to in the most neutral with respect to the diversity of different views on communism and Marxism-Leninism.

Neutral way.

You know, our party, our only ideology that's in our Constitution is called the unified tendency of Marxism-Leninism, which insists upon recognizing the legitimacy and validity of the various forms of socialism and proletarian dictatorship across different contexts, you know.

And we're building off of that foundation.

You know.

If you regard the history of communism as legitimate in the twentieth century, then congratulations, you're in the same boat with us objectively.

So you should

Engage in the step one of committing to a practical collective organization that seeks to build off of that foundation.

And as far as what it will add, that's an open door.

We're not prescribing anything.

We're just trying to get to the bottom of what it means to be a communist right now today.

I think that many people who identify as MLs who are against us take for granted the fact that there are so few of us, that the majority of the people that they're relying upon to target attacks against us are not Marxist-Leninists.

They're Trotskyites, they're anarchists, they're liberals.

And at the end of the day, committing to the defense of communism historically and in the 21st century is no small feat.

And taking seriously

this history is no small feat, you know?

You should put your disagreements with us aside and prioritize the shared acknowledgment of the fact that Communism has been tried and it was great.

That is a more important contradiction than disagreeing with some of our personalities about cultural issues.

Um so that's really what I would say.

Uh can I ask a question about

You know, just how the party functions.

When I was in it, I feel like a major roadblock that the things my chapter was running into was getting um I know we wanted to start like small businesses to like create funding from the ground up, but I feel like that's kinda like difficult to do when there's not like invest like it uh businesses is not easy and it takes a year minimum.

And I see I mean, chapters are already well into the process of that as we speak.

The fact that the businesses haven't launched yet is of no surprise because they you cannot start a business overnight.

There's no way.

Uh

But California in particular is already well underway in the process of forming businesses.

So I don't know when he's gonna he left, but this is been over a month, but yeah.

Yeah.

Well this is how things um stand out.

Pessimist, please go ahead.

Hey, can you hear me?

Yeah.

All right, thanks for letting me up.

Uh I've got a couple of questions.

Uh my first question being as far as your uh your foreign policy in terms of foreign aid and the many, many hundred military bases across the world, what are your plans with that?

As far as it's in our program that we call for a complete dismantlement of US imperialism wholesale.

So that includes shutting down every single base.

Yep.

Awesome.

Okay.

And my other question, your future aspirations for your party, when could we see any of you guys on a ballot, whether at the local, state or federal level?

What are your future aspirations?

Probably wouldn't be the EB, although uh Hilali's already in office.

Um, but we're gonna begin the process of fielding candidates sooner than uh many think.

So that will Oh, I'm sorry, you cut out for me, Haas.

Say that again, brother.

Hilali is already in a position of uh office, elected office, but we will probably have candidates being fielded sooner than people think.

Got it.

And as far as like you are Jackson?

No, probably not.

Probably not.

Okay.

You guys are probably like more in the background, like well, we we we have the we have responsibility to be leaders of the party.

Yeah um not leaders of um

Municip municipalities or something.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Thank you.

For sure.

See ya.

So, uh, Pinky, is there anything else or?

Um, I was just wondering what other organizing you're doing because most of what I've seen is like you guys picking up the litter and stuff like that.

And that doesn't seem like I don't see how that's really contributing like a lot.

Okay, well, you can go on our main ACP main or check our website and you'll see that we engage in labor organizing.

We engage in other forms of community service quite often.

And by the way, this is the regular forms of activity we engage in and partake in.

And to be honest, I think even picking up litter, as you call it, is much more effective than just only protesting and holding up signs.

Because in one case,

When you're cleaning up trash in a local community, I don't think there's even a single example where the people walking by aren't thanking the guys wearing communist hats for their service.

If you're a protester disrupting traffic, I think everyone just hates you.

You're not bringing glory or dignity to the name of Communism in any kind of way.

So with what little effect real life activity, you know.

Spreading the message of communism can have, because let's be honest, the Internet is reaches way more people.

Doing community service is much more effective than disrupting traffic.

By the way, um, I'm scrolling through your account, and it's just like, are you like a AI or something?

Me?

Yeah.

No.

Why would I be in AI?

Uh, because, like, your tweets are very strange.

I mean, I'm partially a troll account, so that's partly why, but

Right, but I don't it doesn't even like make sense.

It's like really just strange.

Oh, okay.

Be headless or admit Stalin was a bad person.

Interesting.

It's

A trade like this but what?

I don't know.

What the

Um

That's just that's just um a lingo.

A lingo in my yeah.

And you're from London?

Yes.

And do you drink tap water or no?

Uh sometimes do you?

No, definitely not.

Where are you from?

Uh I'm from Detroit.

What's it like in Detroit?

Well, we know better than to drink the tap water, usually.

I mean, yeah, in Michigan, that's probably not a good idea.

That's probably not a good idea in London either.

Waisa, do you want me to explain what a trade is?

I don't sure.

So a trade is like is basically like fine shit.

It's like kind of like fun.

Yeah, can you explain what you mean by that?

Yeah, so it's like a fight it's like a fight and shit and it's like they um you know.

You know what fine shit is?

I'm struggling to understand the relevance here.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I don't really have any further questions, so.

Okay, well.

Noah, go ahead.

Hello.

Um I was going to ask with uh the amount that the US economy is now propped up with you know the fire sector and uh the dominance of the dollar, I was wondering what you thought would happen uh after s like a theoretical communist takeover uh

you know, if we would lose that kind of thing that's propping us up, what work would look like for average.

And you mean like infrastructure or?

Yeah.

Infrastructure, industry, you name it.

We'd build a thousand magnetogorsks.

Anyway, anything else?

No.

Okay, goodbye.

Uh all right, Christopher, go ahead.

Alright Taz, I have two questions for you.

Why would you go on um LARP trips to Russia and Iran instead of funding the party from the top down?

That's one.

Two, why are you such a fucking idiot to post about it and get fucking investigated publicly?

Sorry, when did I go to Iran?

Whatever the re most recent uh trip you just went on.

Okay, was that Iran?

Does it matter?

Why would you go to uh why would you go on LARP trips to Russia and fire RPGs?

Did I buy RPG?

I think you're not saying by Haas.

I did not say you're a part of it.

Butthurt has gotten a hold of you.

You're butthurt.

Yes, no.

I butthurt because I was a member of the party, and the party is worthless, and we're picking up trash and doing nothing.

Instead of you turning that money into the party, you go and fund it on stupid trips to self-aggrandize yourself.

Yeah.

Okay.

So the two-would you please address that?

The $2,000 I spent on the Russia trip.

What would you like?

Yeah, that's $2,000 that would have been better spent in the party.

Absolutely.

How?

Give me...

What should it have been spent on?

Tell me.

Well, let's take a look at the initiatives that you were trying to.

Right.

You think $2,000 is going to start a business?

The business initiatives.

Yes.

More so than any of the money?

More so than anything.

$2,000 is enough to start a business.

I will empty my entire together.

I will empty.

More so than any of the money.

I will empty my entire bank.

The four members in a chapter could pull together.

Absolutely.

Okay.

So let's say you need at least $50,000 to $100,000 to start a business.

What use is it in me throwing $2,000 in that and hoping that's just going to increase?

Where are the four members in a party chapter supposed to get $100,000 to start a business?

Can you please tell me that?

We're not asking them to win.

$100,000.

You're telling me how I should spend my money, and I'm trying to ask you how I should spend it.

You just said I should do it to fund business initiatives.

I've never been given the request that, hey, Haas, we need this $2,000 for this business.

Can you hand it?

I've never heard of that.

So be specific.

What specific business initiative needed my money in that moment instead of going to Rolling?

Okay, I was a part of the Michigan chapter, for example.

We were talking for weeks and weeks in meetings about starting a food truck.

$2,000 could have purchased the food truck.

We could have contributed the money.

So why didn't you ask me?

I'm in Michigan.

Why didn't you ask me for the money if you're short in $2,000?

Because there's no through line to you.

There's no through line to you.

Okay, well, there is one now, isn't there, where you just made an ass of yourself.

Absolutely not.

Yeah.

In any case, my trip to Russia in no way took resources from the party.

I spent thousands and thousands just on the event alone.

And not even to speak of the launch, by the way, which almost bankrupted me.

So this idea that I'm spending all the money on foreign trips is nonsense.

It's just that from the party center right now.

My personal finances was blocked out of your $2,000.

You know what?

I actually want to entertain this.

I want to entertain this.

Chris, let's talk about my trip to Lebanon.

Do you actually think that my trip to Lebanon did less for the party than me throwing giving you $2,000 to buy a truck?

Do you think your trip to Lebanon did anything for the party?

Is there anything materially that it absolutely did?

Is there anything materially that you can show for it?

Absolutely.

It did a lot for our party.

A lot.

And what is that?

What it drove an unprecedented amount of interest toward our party, both controversial.

Where is that quantifiable?

In new recruits, you fucking moron.

How many did we get from it?

Could you show?

No, I don't need to show anything.

It's just that you're making assumptions in some way.

Exactly, because you're talking out of your ass, dude.

Okay.

You sound really stupid right now if you're saying that there's no yeah you're really stupid um the idea yeah the idea that our party didn't benefit is just stupid if our party didn't if the party benefited could let me ask you a question if our party didn't benefit by it why i'm asking your question why did an entire how did The fact that Fiorella and an entire network of alt media journalists with hundreds of thousands of followers all had to coordinate to attack our party because of that?

What were they so threatened by?

Why did so many people feel threatened by the fact that I was there?

Perhaps because it actually demonstrates the authenticity of our party and fights back against the disinformation and propaganda which tries to paint us as aligned with imperialism and Zionism.

They're both both shifting.

Yeah, we're living in a country where there's materially the party gains from it.

I can tell you materially.

You are so butthurt and asser, you need to shut your bitch ass mouth up and let me speak, you fucking child.

The fact of the matter is that there's an entire generation in this country which has been inspired by the forces of resistance in light of the crimes of the Zionist entity in Palestine.

And the fact that we showed our solidarity with those forces in the way that we did attending that funeral really gave us a lot of legitimacy and credibility for this new generation.

And if you can't understand that because you aren't able to directly quantify it in terms of money or recruits, which we did get a lot of recruits from it, by the way, but it's immaterial, that's on you.

You're just a short-sighted, narrow-minded fucking moron who doesn't even understand how our party gained the relevancy that it did in the first place, that you yourself joined.

If it wasn't for the fact of discourse mattering and the information war mattering, not only would there not be an American Communist Party, there probably wouldn't have been any Communist Party in history because Lenin himself said as much, that the newspaper, the only form of media that they had back then, by the way, was literally the foundation and the nucleus of the organization, of the communist organization.

At that moment in time, they called it the Social Democratic Party.

That is the foundation of party building.

It all starts with the newspaper, according to Lenin.

Being able to actually communicate and reach people and tap into consciousness.

So if you think that's not relevant, I don't know what to tell you.

You're asshurt that you joined a new party that wasn't immediately a mass movement of millions of people because you're a lazy bitch who couldn't actually commit the effort to actually investing in something that's not immediately successful in the way you want it to be.

You don't want to work for it.

You just want it to all be delivered to you on a fucking silver platter.

So that you could cross your arms and say, oh, I'm in a big giant communist party, but I don't want to have to sacrifice and actually join the rest of us to actually struggle and fight to build it.

You are a lazy, worthless bitch.

And I have absolutely no respect for you as a human being.

Now I'll unmute you.

Alright, so when you show

Go ahead, unmute yourself.

Okay, I just wanted to make clear.

I've been around since 2021 or so.

I don't give a fuck who you are.

The rise of the party.

Excuse me.

I'm talking now.

It's your turn to shut up.

Thank you.

Yeah, I don't think you are.

Why are you raised?

When you raise your hand, speak to me this way.

You're a fucking nobody.

You're a piece of dirt.

You should be groveling on your knees.

Thanking me with all of your might.

Kissing the floor that my feet stand on.

That I even give a fucking cockroach like you the opportunity to speak to me.

Why don't you fucking calm down a little bit, Chris?

And speak with some respect.

Go ahead.

Go ahead, unmute yourself.

When you raise that the material gain had been had from your visits uh abroad.

And then you don't back them up by saying that, okay, well, we had X amounts of recruits.

How many recruits would satisfy that?

How many recruits would satisfy a material gain?

I don't know.

And I just want to number one.

That's exactly my point.

You don't know.

You don't understand what a reasonable expectation for growth would be relative to our recruitment drive, relative to the rate of growth of our party in the first place.

You don't have any insight into that whatsoever.

So I'm not even going to entertain your question of giving you an exact number because it would be meaningless.

Because who the fuck are you to even know what a meaningful gain would be when you have done no work clearly to even benefit the party's growth in the first place or know what a reasonable rate of growth or expectation would be for us so far?

You wouldn't.

If you think that all of this media stuff doesn't matter, just say that.

If the media stuff we're doing matters, then these foreign trips also matter a lot.

Our rivals think as much because they're pouring a lot of effort and resources to blacklist us and slander us on the international scene to prevent us from forming international ties.

If you don't think international solidarity is indispensable for a communist organization, you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't even know.

You know how stupid you sound, Chris?

The word communism.

The word communism, where does it come from?

Does it come from America?

The whole reputation of Marxism-Leninism, the whole history of Marxism-Leninism, is that mainly in America?

Do people mainly look at America for their source of inspiration?

What actually gave legitimacy to Marxism-Leninism historically in this country, in the United States of America?

It was the concrete experience of Marxism-Len-Leninism internationally, and in Russia and China in particular.

In foreign places in particular.

Demonstrating revolutionary solidarity,

With progressive forces worldwide is indispensable in terms of defining what you are domestically.

If you don't understand the basics of proletarian internationalism, I would tell you to stop being so asshurd in my fucking Twitter space, log off and read a fucking book.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I don't think that the media is indispensable.

Okay.

Then calmly, dispensable.

Then calmly, I'll ask you the question.

Then form a Communist Party without media.

Form a Communist Party without media.

I challenge you to form your own Communist Party.

Instead of building the structure of our party, who is stopping you from doing that?

Then go do it and see if you're successful.

I am willing to stake my entire bank account.

And we're talking about doing luncheons and I am now willing to stake my entire bank account on betting that if you formed your own Communist Party right now, according to the strategy you yourself are proposing, even in five years, it would never surpass our party's membership right now.

And I am willing to stake my entire bank account on that.

Are you willing to stake anything?

That's okay.

Yeah, no.

I think that internal critique is important.

But you're not internal.

You left in court like a bitch, so you're not internal.

Excuse me.

You are not internal.

You're external.

Do you know that I left it?

You didn't leave?

Okay, so you're talking out of your ass, yes or no?

Did you or did you not leave Chris Crip Chris uh Chris?

You were just saying definitively one of one way or the other.

Now can you answer my question?

Did I leave or not?

I don't know.

Exactly.

So why are you saying otherwise?

So did you?

Oz, why are you saying otherwise?

Please.

Didn't you say you were in the ACP?

You came onto the space saying you were in the ACP, did you not?

Yes, yes.

And every single person in my chat is saying that's what you said in the beginning.

Yes, and no longer, I'm no longer active, but I'm still a party member.

Okay, well, your ass is getting kicked out.

You don't participate in the group.

You are getting kicked out now.

Well, don't worry.

We'll try food.

We'll go through the formalities and subject you to a trial.

But you're probably just going to like...

I'm not going to waste your time.

I'm just going to tell you, you're going to get kicked out 100%.

Yeah, that's lovely.

That's great.

Because I can kind of.

Internal critique doesn't matter.

This is not internal critique.

This is a flagrant.

Absolutely it is.

This is a flagrant violation of our constitutional protocols when it comes to comradely criticism.

You jumped into this fucking space doing nothing but insulting me and calling me names publicly, by the way.

That's not internal criticism.

That's public attacks.

That's public uncomradely bad faith attacks.

That absolutely does not qualify for internal criticism, Chris.

So, yeah, I mean, I'm just going to tell you straight.

I don't see, maybe, maybe you can find something in the Constitution that will save you because that's how we're going to go off of it.

But yeah, you're basically going to be subjected to a disciplinary hearing and probably kicked out of the party.

I'm just going to tell you that's what's going to happen.

If you're in the party, if you are, that is, which I don't know if you are.

We'll find out.

Anything else?

Yes.

What else?

I wanted to talk about, again, I wanted to talk about the business initiative problems.

Okay.

And then I also wanted to talk about, I wanted to raise the problem of name the problems when we already have three to four already in the works that are very promising, that are already seeing progress in terms of their development.

So tell me the problems, Chris.

Tell me the problem that you don't have fucking businesses off the ground in less than a fucking year.

Tell me why that's no one's asking for that.

No one's asking for that.

What are you asking for?

I'm not asking for overnight shift.

I'm asking for initiative from the top down.

But when the party is- The idea of us being in a Petri dish where four or five of us are able to somehow amass a bunch of money to start businesses is silly.

We need help.

We need help from you.

You need more problems.

You principally need more people.

So instead of doubling down and like the Michigan chapter executive is doing, by the way, doubling down, doing good work, community outreach, and raising the repertoire and name of the party and the chapter locally and in the state.

Why are you asking for me to just send you personally money?

I mean, you didn't even ask, by the way, you didn't even ask for money to be distributed amongst the chapters.

We don't have fucking money for that.

We don't have money.

Well, $2,000 could have been split up a little bit.

Give me a concrete plan about how that could be organized.

And you sound so fucking stupid.

You think you think that be it's so stupid.

It's like you think

That we just have unlimited money here at the top, and we're depriving it.

It's I do think they should have a fair amount of money.

Is that mi am I mistaken?

You're very mistaken.

Okay.

So where would the pool of money gone to or come from when you went on these trips?

From my own fucking bank account, you fucking moron.

How did you attain that?

Through streaming on kick, you idiot.

Right.

Do you think that any of that money could be sent to the party?

How about Jackson's funds?

The amount that I've already donated and out of pocket spent on this party literally almost bankrupted me.

Okay.

I barely have money.

And yes, these trips were for the party, by the way, and no other reason.

Sure.

You know, this idea that uh

That you're gonna sit here and pocket watch me individually, even though I'm fucking broke, basically, anyway.

So that's why you're the chairman, dude.

You're the chairman, right?

The chairman is broke.

Okay, how about Jackson?

What about Jackson?

How has he contributed to the party?

Other than outreach, of course, he's done a great job with that.

I'll tell you what.

But financially has to be.

If you could show.

for some kind of results on your personal end, that you've actually done real fucking work.

You've busted your ass for this party.

Then I will even entertain you talking about Jackson's money.

You're a fucking lazy nobody.

And also, yeah, you're so stupid because every single time I've gone abroad, I've asked leadership and they agreed unilaterally.

I've never done it by myself.

So all leadership saw the value of these trips, not just me.

Of course.

You want to talk about Jackson's money, but you're a lazy nobody bum fuck who's done nothing at all for anyone for anything.

Listen, Haz, this is not uh this is uncomradly uh critique here.

You don't want to be calling people names.

Chris, let's address the substance.

What do you think?

Chris, we are not engaging in internal comradely criticism right now.

You came here and engaged in a wholesale attack on me and the party as a whole, calling it all bullshit.

You've quit.

No, I didn't call it all bullshit.

I called the business initiative bullshit.

And I called the...

So what's your alternative then?

Concretely.

I think that Jackson and you ought to be funding the party more from top town.

I've said it like three or four times now.

To do what?

Fund it for what?

Business initiatives.

If that was the plan, you know what, how stupid you are?

You know how our business initiatives work?

People first have to come to us with a concrete plan.

This is exactly how much.

And then we all work to see how we can raise the funds and get the funds.

But you don't have a plan.

You don't even have a draft proposal.

You never even thought of one in your whole fucking life.

No, we did.

We absolutely did.

Really?

Yes.

Okay.

Show me, send it to me right now on paper.

Your proposal.

Where would you like it?

Where would you like to receive it?

DMs on Twitter.

Okay.

Send it right now.

Your draft proposal.

And did you talk to the treasurer about this proposal?

No, because we didn't reach the treasurer.

We were in a circle and we couldn't contact anybody.

We couldn't contact Kyle and we couldn't contact you.

We talked about building a food truck.

Kyle is in the chapter.

He's in the chapter Telegram channel.

Okay.

Are you in that?

Yeah.

Are you there?

As far as I'm aware, there was no response.

Did you even chapter meetings where we were hearing that television?

Did you take the initiative to reach out?

I heard.

Listen, listen, I'm just relaying what I heard.

Oh, what you heard.

Did you yourself try to reach out before you decided to come here and publicly slander our fucking party?

Before you decided to drag your ass over to my Twitter space and slander our whole party and me, did you do the due diligence, since this bothered you so much, to actually bring your draft proposal to either the treasurer, to Kyle, or me through Telegram?

And before you say you don't have our fucking contacts, that's a bunch of bullshit.

Because I talked to Miguel directly.

I have his contact and he has mine.

And he's your chapter executive.

So you did zero fucking work.

Steven get this so-called draft proposal into our ear, which I don't even believe exists by the way.

And before you even thought to do that, you came into the space and disrespected the entire party and attacked it, calling it all bullshit.

Do I hear you correctly?

Who would be more likely to get the notice of Kyle Pett as a chapter leader or an underling in the chapter?

Out of curiosity.

You can directly request to your chapter executive to contact and bring it up.

You could not do it.

Before you do what you just did here tonight, there's a million things you could fucking do to get it done.

But you decided to do this first.

By the way, after you said you had already quit and you were in the party.

Yes, I was in the party.

I'm no longer in the party.

That's true.

So you're no longer in the party, correct?

You're a fucking cockroach.

You're an ant.

You're a piece of shit.

You're less than the shit that sticks to the bottom of my fucking shoe.

You're worthless.

You're not even in the fucking party.

Take a fucking hike.

Go form your own party.

Go ahead, Leo.

Hello.

Sorry, I mean, I was...

Have I heard?

Sorry, I can't tell on mobile.

Am I...

Okay.

Good.

Okay, good.

I'm getting a thumbs up.

I really enjoy the ACP.

I think you're great.

I'm here in the United Kingdom.

And I wanted to ask you specifically, since I do believe that the ACP is on track to building communism in the United States, what would you recommend for like-minded people overseas who may have certain doctrinal disagreements, let's say, with the existing parties?

I mean, obviously, the answer would be to form your own.

I was wondering if you believed in any entryism or...

So I believe every country's national conditions are different.

We have solidarity with the Workers' Party of Britain right now.

The best advice I could say is take your country's communist history seriously.

That's how we see it, you know?

The history is what's important.

The historical party if the UK parties are anything to go by, they've splintered a million times over.

But if you come to the recommendation of the Workers' Party of Britain, I'll keep it.

Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Appreciate it.

I mean, I don't want to say anything that would contradict their strategy at all, because this is, at the end of the day, it's very American where I'm coming from.

Global, please go ahead.

Yeah man I was uh yeah I just came to listen to you guys and I talked to you last time for uh you know talk a little bit.

Yeah, so I saw you in Lebanon, that was pretty cool.

Uh thanks.

Yeah man like so you know uh yeah hopefully you got him uh safely in America because you know like uh I think the Australian government was debating whether it had uh taken away the citizenship or at the guess order no I think they had permanent residence or remaking their p their residency for going to to somebody's funeral.

I can ridiculous.

Yeah, I mean uh US is much less crazy than Australia when it comes to that, but who knows, you know.

Thank you for coming on.

Based Irish, please go ahead.

Go ahead, Beast Irish.

Unmute yourself.

Oh, sorry about that.

Yeah, I follow Global and Global's a friend of mine.

How's it going?

I'm a big fan of ACP politics.

I think it's pretty good to see in American politics.

It's a great alternative.

Obviously, the international solidarity thing that you're doing is great.

Stress.

Have you had any plans of coming to Ireland and trying to meet up any socialist Republicans over here?

By any chance?

You know, I'd love to visit Ireland.

I don't think we have a reasonable pretext to go to Ireland right now.

Maybe Chris from our international department.

But, you know,

I mean, I would personally, that would be really nice, you know, but I don't currently there's no plans, basically.

There's a lot of great, like Global Watalia, there's a lot of great Palestinian work being done.

He's been the island and sort of, you know, worked with the Palestinian Solidarity Committee over here.

There's a lot of great stuff that gets done.

You know, multiple times throughout the week, there will be more than one Palestinian Solidarity protest in multiple parts of the island.

A lot of them we do have a very long socialist Republican lineage here, like it's quite old.

A lot of them parties will actually still be about IRSP.

There's many others, even the Communist Party of Ireland.

There's many, many, many groups that you could go meet.

It would be great, but right now I don't.

Maybe Chris has something planned.

I don't know.

He's our international secretary.

Have a look into it.

It's worth having worth having to look into.

I shared something around the bubble for you.

It's just some socialist Republican doctrine that we have here in our sort of lore in history.

Okay, cool.

Thank you.

Appreciate it, man.

Thank you.

All right.

Bye-bye.

Okay, so the next person is.

Oh, my God.

Go ahead, go speak.

Quick.

Hi Haas, I have a question regarding the party program point seventeen, which is promotion of American civilization.

So I'm wondering how would you or the party define the American civilization?

Because it's the first per first sentence states the Communist Party stands for the cultivation and discovery of a natural continental American culture on the basis of the unique history, geography, and ethnic makeup of the American peoples.

So I'm wondering like how does the party see the American civilization?

Um just what it sounds like uh right there, you know, because um it has to be something that is i involves and is uh in coordination with um the different groups in question and and the people ultimately have to play a decisive role in that process.

Um

We don't we're not gonna create blueprints at the expense of, you know, what the popular sensibility is when it comes to um comes to that.

Okay, I see.

Well, thank you for answering my question, and I wish the AZP a lot of luck.

Okay, thank you.

Go ahead, Brian.

Hey, I'm down in the south organizing, and I'm wondering what you think about the role of labor and tenant organizing, whether you believe in independent unions or entryism.

I'm also wondering your thoughts around the national question, the black and Chicano nation.

I can only answer one half of that question, unfortunately, for time, because I talked about the national question a little too much already, and I can't repeat.

But broadly, our labor strategy is utilizing the party as a kind of force to facilitate labor organizing in general, that we are helping and lending our hand and assisting toward that end.

So that's really it.

Uh I can't hear you, but

I'm not sure there's much else to say.

Okay, Isaiah, I'll bring you on one last time.

Go ahead.

Uh okay, hello.

Yeah.

Um so I was up earlier about and so I overheard you talking about

Uh the const the party's constitution

And how

It's uh you know for internal what is it criticism and debate and all this.

Um uh that's the reason they gave me for they for when they kicked me, uh Kyle and Rev and who else was there.

Um

Let me see what's his name.

I have uh screenshots of this, sorry.

Uh C Marcelo was there too.

Uh he's the executive of this.

All right, look, there's too many people being named here that are not here and I don't I don't know what what we're getting at here.

All right.

Um anything else, Ross?

Uh, just some gorillas.

And the doodid guy is back.

Oh, we got, um, Steven.

No, he's just another gorilla.

No, he's another gorilla.

Um oh here's Joey.

Who?

Hey, what's up?

Why'd you invite me to speak?

What question do you have for me?

I didn't invite anything.

No, RTSG did.

What's your question?

Let me hear it.

Well, you just open space.

You wanna have something?

No, what's your question?

You invited me to come up.

Okay.

Question is why fucking wake up on the wrong side of the bed or some shit.

What an interesting day.

I was in a very good mood.

But hearing that just, you know, some of these people that joined, and they're all part of one click, by the way, that I don't even know if that Chris Crypto guy joined, but like they all have the same weird Fed talking points.

And

just this sense of entitlement is fucking crazy.

Like as if

As if they didn't sign up for a party that literally says this is how it's gonna work, we're trying to make it as decentralized as possible so that people have on the ground concrete experience to organize.

And I I don't know pi picking on like these stupid, frivolous, fucking worthless scum

You know, it demeans the fact that the majority, overwhelming majority, are doing a great job.

And I don't want to detract from that.

But to see people crash out because they don't get their way and because you know everything is not immediately successful overnight and that they want me and Jackson to solve everything.

It's an organization.

It's not a

It's not like a um

What would be the it's not like me and Jackson are Santa and you're waiting under the tree for presence.

It's an organization whose strength is going to come from the collective power, from the rank and file.

And while the EB has chose me as the chairman, and while there is a leadership within the party, we don't have Roy Singham's money.

And yes, it's on us to make it happen.

And the party is making it happen, by the way.

That's what's happening already.

But some people crashed out because they just joined, not putting their all in.

They're like, what's going on here?

Why isn't that?

Well, it's on you.

You need to take the initiative, right?

We're doing our job up here at the top.

Everyone who has an issue, turn your issue into something productive.

Do something.

Literally, do something.

That same authority and audacity that you muster up to want to go and attack me, fucking put that to work to do something productive.

Which is what, again,

Almost everyone is already doing in the party.

If you've got such an issue that you're willing to talk shit to me, turn that issue into a solution yourself.

Raise your voice locally.

You know, get things.

But it's the people who don't work, who don't want to get things done, that love gibbering and complaining and whining and babbling.

Because it's easier to whine than to work, and that's just the fucking truth.

It's easier to whine than to just get shit done.

If you don't want to work, you don't have to join the fucking party.

Just leave.

Screaming and crying at me.

About the fact that I uh

have done great work to cultivate relations between our party.

And um progressive forces, particularly in Russia.

Um it's so fucking stupid.

Especially when you consider that Russia is at the vanguard and the forefront of counter hegemonic politics globally, especially in the West.

I mean, in South Africa they're waving Russian flags.

It's not a coincidence, it's not an accident.

I just wanna like, I don't I'm not there's only so much I can say, but someone earlier asked about SolidNet.

Well, look up the biggest party in SolidNet.

And then maybe ask maybe why why is it important maybe that I go to Russia?

I don't know.

I don't know, maybe.

It's not really hard to like put two and two together.

Look up the largest non-governing Communist Party in the world.

Look up the country where uh the fir there was the first proletarian dictatorship.

Just a lot of stupid fucking things I heard tonight, which is crazy.

And you know what kills me is the fact that, you know, it is true that.

You know, I need to be more publicly involved in domestic work.

Like, I totally agree.

But what if I told you that's literally happening this weekend?

You know?

Would you feel stupid?

Literally, like before I even have time to come back and decompress, I'm already.

Rolling up my sleeves and

And traveling more.

I'm not going to tell you where I'm going in America, I mean, but that's happening this weekend, okay?

Um

Yeah.

Anyway.

Anyway guys

Yeah, I'm going to New Jersey.

You got it.

Okay?

Whatever.

That's the truth.

I don't I'm leaking it, whatever.

Uh Andrew, go ahead, I didn't even see you there.

You'll be the last person.

Go ahead.

All right, cool.

Thanks, Haz.

This is an interesting discussion.

I've just got a couple of questions.

One is first of all, what's your position on landlordism and eventual land redistribution?

And the second question is with regard to your party's attitude to and maybe relationship with the Communist Party of China.

Uh we don't have any relations uh as far as the last question, but um

The thing about landlordism is that, um

That was something socialism for all really took out of he really like overemphasized and exaggerated.

Because I had been asked with the question, would it be permissible for a chapter as a source of income to rent out properties?

And I said, Okay, I mean we're kind of getting in gray area here.

You'd have to be doing it in a way that's ethical in the sense that you're not a slum lord.

But if you know if you happen to already have them and if it's lucrative and if you can make money from it to support the party, um

You know, it would not, yes, that could be one of the enterprises.

I mean, it's not ideal, though, because the enterprises, again, we're trying to kind of have as productive businesses, which and land, and this is a parasitical kind of form of income.

But the moralistic idea that a party needs to be funded in a way that reflects the values of communism is something we are actually trying to do that has never been done before.

Because historically, whatever gets the party funded is how they funded it in the past.

Okay.

The CPUSA is a huge landlord right now.

So is the PSL.

Okay.

They rent properties.

So that's what they're doing as their only source of income for CPUSA right now.

But nobody's calling them the landlord party.

Because there's a difference between the kind of society you are fighting for and what classes you're opposing and what you need to do to materially subsist and get by and support yourself here and now.

There is a fucking big difference.

Anyone who says otherwise needs to fucking throw their iPhone away.

And you're basically repeating the argument: oh, we live in capitalism.

So, look, we see landlordism as a parasitical phenomena that we want to fully eliminate.

Okay.

When we seize the reins of power itself.

Just like Marx and Engels believed in the development of a proletarian d uh movement that would facilitate the dissolution of uh wage labor and factory capitalist exploitation.

But guess what?

Engels owned a factory, okay, and he used it to fund Marx's writings, so and other initiatives.

So it's it's dead and it's already over.

Someone trying to argue like socialism for all.

It's just stupid from the get-go to say we're a landlord party because of uh

Something I said out of context.

No, we're against landlordism and we want to eliminate it as a phenomenon.

I don't remember your other question.

Oh, it's just uh yeah related to that.

Um it's it was uh land redistribution.

Yeah, we we it's in our program.

We want uh land reform.

And um uh you mentioned you don't have a relationship with the Chi Chinese uh the Communist Party, China, but what is your kind of I guess position or attitude towards that organization?

We are focussing on our own uh party um and they we are not really worthy of it, basically, I guess.

We're not big enough and we're not we're trying to earn our own keep, you know, and we're not looking for a hand out.

All right, thanks.

Sure.

Okay.

Um

Okay, well

Alright, I think we're done.

Uh we're done.

Okay, we're gonna end the space.

End.

Okay.

Lennon Dubois, appreciate you, man.

Appreciate you, brother.

Alright.

Alright guys, crazy night.

Crazy, crazy night all around.

Alright, um

Alright.

There's nothing that will put me in a bad mood worse than a fucking traitor.

I hate traitors.

I'm lighthearted and jolly and shit.

I fucking hate traitors.

I need to meditate and and get over my hatred of traitors.

That's my fucking issue right now.

Traitors.

I can't forgive them.

I I see them as the lowest of scum.

I hate traders, I hate them.

Unforgivable.

He was like I don't even know what that piece of trash even was, piece of garbage.

Fucking cockroach.

Can you confirm I don't know, I don't keep a list of everyone who's in the party, I don't fucking know if he was.

Sleeper cell, what's up?

We have to literally investigate and see.

It's like if you're a general, do you know every fucking soldier in the army, no?

The Michigan chapter guys have here talked about never discussing the food truck.

So he was making shit up.

As we guessed,

How can we defend the Khan?

Arranged marriage.

Very interesting comments, guys.

Very interesting comments.

Ugh.

I will say when it comes to the chapter enterprises.

The problem is not capital principally.

If we have a realistic proposal and we know exactly how much we need, you could even take out a loan from a bank if it's viable.

There's many ways to get seed capital.

The number one deficiency in the enterprises right now is a lack of realistic proposals and ideas.

If there is a problem, that's what it is.

Um

But there really isn't because there are already a lot of good viable stuff.

And by the way, the way the whole party works is you only need one to be successful.

Once there's one that's successful, it becomes a model that can be replicated.

And that's what people don't understand is you only in our party, the only thing you need to have unilateral success is one chapter figuring it out.

Once one chapter figures shit out as far as how to do shit, that becomes a model that can spread to everyone.

And that's how the whole thing was structured.

So

That's not going to be overnight, but once that breakthrough happens, you know, it's going to be a watershed moment.

And he's like, Oh, there's only four people and it's like

We're doing our best with the recruitment drive up here, but there's only and then you're saying media is not important.

So it's like, how are you gonna get more people if media is not important?

You know?

By the way, Michigan chapter, I know he's lying 'cause of course there's more than four.

If he was here, he must have been here in July or something.

Big states with small chapters have it hard, that's true.

That's true, but um

We're solutions oriented.

Anyone if you have an instinct to go for the black pill, you gotta check your own bitch-made tendencies.

Because the black pill is never a fucking choice.

There's all before you even think of a black pill, solution, solution, solutions.

Go fucking sit and meditate in a cave.

For ninety-two hours straight before you blackpill thinking of solutions.

Before you ever think of ever blackpilling, go fucking climb a mountain, get to the top, sit your ass down and meditate for nine days straight without sleep.

And you'll think of something

That will be a substitute for this estrogenic, not to be misogynistic, but if you're a man, there's no you shouldn't be doing this.

Okay?

If you're a woman, the estrogenic energy, I'm sure it's helping.

It's like uh it's it's bringing you into communion with the cosmos and whatever from Avatar.

Fine.

But if you're a man, you got these gyno, bitch tits, bitch made energy to just blackpill.

Right off the bat, there's a million f go outside and run nonstop before you blackpill.

You know?

There's so many fucking things you can do before you do that.

Have you exhausted all the options?

No, you haven't.

You just wanna be a crybaby bitch.

'Cause it's easier to curl up in your bed in your blankie and cry in your tears in your pillow about how much things aren't fucking fair for you than to fucking get your ass up and go fucking do something.

I don't know if you know, the universe is a really brutal fucking place.

Forget planet Earth.

They get these telescopes and they look at what's going on.

There's just all these random fucked up explosions happening all the time.

They're really violent and terrifying.

Alright, then on earth, you go to the jungle and it's fucking lions and tigers tearing shit apart.

And there's diseases and there's fucking big giant spiders that are ripping heads off and eating mice and birds.

And it's all brutality.

Forget about the ocean and how brutal that is, by the way.

It's all brutality.

There's volcanoes exploding and everything dies and explodes.

It's a brutal fucking world we live in.

The fact that you are alive and breathing and sitting here, drawing breath, is a great mercy.

Fucking do something with it.

Anyone who's crying about how unfair the universe is to them needs to be fucking thrown into the sun so you could be ripped apart by the fucking fusion, whatever bullshit that's going on there that's really fucked up and violent and scary so you know how precious life and rare life itself is.

It's a cruel fucking world, but here you are breathing.

Make something of it.

Or be like Bree and be miserable for the rest of your life and crying and wanting revenge against every because you're because everything's unfair.

Or be like that guy who came on.

Be like Danny Shaw, who's a Fed.

I don't know, what am I saying?

He's a Fed.

I mean, holy shit.

When I was in Lebanon, I was at that stadium.

Every single person there was ready to die.

Every single one.

When those Jets came, all of them were ready.

They didn't give a fuck.

They were so caught up with the passion.

They were just ready.

You know, God knows how many of them had relatives, people in their lives that were killed.

They're grieving, not just for the Sayyid.

They're grieving for their whole people, you know, and they're ready.

And by the way, turns out, during the whole fucking thing, the IDF still had not decided whether they're gonna bomb the stadium.

That's just breaking news.

So when I told Jackson, Hey, there's a big chance they're gonna fucking bomb us, I wasn't lying.

They were literally they just found out

Indecisive at that moment.

They were still considering doing it.

So, all these people in this stadium are ready to go.

You know?

And you're sitting here bitching and crying and blackpilling.

You know?

How fucking crazy is that?

Sitting in America blackpilling and crying when you have everything going for you.

I mean what justifies being a traitor?

I don't fucking know.

We're putting our life on the line.

What have you done to be a fucking traitor, you fucking coward?

Jackson knew there was a big chance he wouldn't fucking leave.

Neither would Chris.

They put their fucking life on the line.

What have you fucking done to be a traitor?

My feelings were hurt by Jackson's tweets.

Fuck you.

Fucking feelings were hurt.

Dishonor and crash out over some shit like that.

You don't know what real life is.

Straight up.

Fucking disgusting.

Anyway, on a good note, it was a great night.

It was really funny.

It was hilarious.

The guy from Lost.

Incredible night.

Goodbye, guys.

I'll see you next stream.

I do probably going to be an IRL.

You'll see.

It'll be IRL, probably.

Okay?

By the way

My work has just begun.

Alright?

See you guys.

Bye-bye.