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uh I just want to go ahead and say thank

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all right guys so I'm gonna I have a

debate

um someone wants to debate me

and that's what we're going to be doing

first I kind of wanted you guys to

quickly get in get in here so we could

just fucking start it but unfortunately

like a lot of you guys are gonna miss

out on the debate and that's really not

my problem like you know because when I

tell you guys to get in quick I mean it

but whatever you guys want to miss the

debate

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um let me uh hello okay yeah I can hear

you fine awesome yeah your mic works

yeah

cool sorry for the Boomer moment there

yeah yeah no problem

so I was kind of confused by the

thing you wrote in show request can you

like uh

kind of state what you want to debate

about

yeah

um I basically want to debate with you

about

communism being a viable strategy for

reaching the masses of American workers

when

I don't think it's clear that uh

Democratic centralism and Marxist

londonism more broadly

isn't

I'm not convinced that Marxism leninism

is not a trojan horse for technofascism

and

because of that I have

previously considered myself a moga

communist but I'm now

I mean I Won't Say I'm a Libertarian but

I don't find

a uh

coherency in the Maga communism Vision

because

I don't think it's clear that communism

or socialism the process of building

communism isn't a trojan horse for

technophasism which I believe is

unfolding globally which many American

workers are concerned about

if that makes sense

so I I'm gonna just go ahead and guess

that by techno fascism you're talking

about the centralization of data

collection and Ai and stuff or do you

want to be more specific about

surveillance or

yes uh Mass surveillance acceleration of

humanity the working class into the

useless Class A uh broader vision of

transhumanism that wants a uh basically

Grimes vision for communism uh hence her

flirting with the uh ideology in

symbolism

um yeah

I think uh one of the reasons I don't

believe in Singularity technological

singularity ever happening is because

most people focus on it because we just

see the software so we just see things

when they work we see the computers we

see our phone screens we see the tablets

but we don't pay attention to how all of

these correspond to a very imperfect

hardware and maintenance Improvement and

innovation of the hardware

I think will make a total technological

singularity impossible

and uh so whether it's through

capitalism quote unquote or through

communism I I would say that I'm

skeptical that what you call techno

fascism would ever be possible I I think

because here's the issue the issue is

that

at the same time

that mass surveillance and Technology

seems to be getting so centralized

just in the sense of like

the aggregation of the different kinds

of data

the ability to control this data and the

ability to control

uh this technology

correspondingly decreases so I I think

the issue is that you're dealing with

this Paradox of like Society seems like

it's more controlled but there's also a

correspondingly decentralizing

and chaotic kind of tendency there that

you know Nick land kind of described it

uh pretty well I think if you're not

familiar with who that is but

so I I think uh

I don't know I think my skepticism just

comes from

the prospect of techno fascism as you

call it

being possible

right

um but at the same time it appears as if

the CCP for example has been able to

part of the efficiency of the CCP is its

advanced

centralized surveillance system

and its method of governance which

requires that citizens are not armed

that citizens

consent to a

uh

society-wide agreement let's say

about

what is appropriate versus inappropriate

content to discuss

and

um

I I don't share your view that

what we are finding as the technology

accelerates is a greater

decentralization of this capacity to

control

human beings with

Technologies and surveillance and

algorithms that uh

basically out match Us cognitively in

terms of speed so can therefore predict

our movements

I just wonder what your vision is how

you think it's possible to realize a

Maga communist Vision in the United

States when I think our best tendency as

a culture of people in general is

anti-establishment

autism period the resistance of tyranny

period which is where you see

um I I think the conservatives in the

United States make a somewhat coherent

argument when they suggest that

um

you know Foundation

megalomaniacs such as George Soros

they're pursuing

uh socialists like

tendencies

of pursuing centralization and

degrading the

naturally chaotic processes that that

comes with decentralization and you know

in in the case of the United States uh

a republicanism a uh drive for uh local

autonomy

um

and I I I think that Maga communism

which is something that I was very

attracted to as to me it brought me out

of the delusions of bazo leftism which I

think is very important but I don't

think that

communism goes far enough from the same

structures that make uh

woke corporate takeover possible but

through this um I I think in the United

States

what I call technofascism which is

really a a uniting of corporate

interests with government at the most

fundamental level I'm I'm very

suspicious of the fact that they're

trying to feign leftism now uh that

their vision of neoliberalism is pushing

Angela Davis socialism as a alleged side

effect of taking more of our rights and

taking more control and use using

technology and the accelerated corporate

adoption of Technology

um and its purpose namely ESG

um I'm I'm very terrified of this and

I I personally I have found more of a

Haven in

um the anti-establishment uh I wouldn't

say uh Pro capitalist uh

bent because there are still so many

criticisms of of capitalism within the

conservative movement let's say because

obviously capitalism has been able to be

so easily co-opted by ideals that run

against the uh strength of the working

class to accelerate our uselessness such

as trans

um

such as sex workers work

um such as

uh the forcing

medical industry you can't there's

nothing medical you could talk about by

the way

nothing medical yeah on YouTube like any

I I can't even mention because of the

flag the video so got it yeah just

nothing medical at all got it

um yeah I so my my point in triggering

this debate is to strategize about the

goals of Maga communism and how it can

act more

uh

more appropriately reach American

workers by rejecting a larger tyranny

which I see uh

possibly the Specter of with uh

entities like the the CCP that do pursue

uh disarming their population that do

pursue Mass surveillance of their

population

I think there is a appropriate tendency

in the west to uh resist this type of

technologically assisted collectivism as

some kind of insincere Enterprise

I I empathize with that as an American

and I wonder how Maga communism is going

to reach Skeptics like me and most

workers I know that

that view communism as a vector for uh

technological tyranny

okay so I just kind of will first

uh talk about China

so there's this notion of the CCP in

China is this kind of completely

centralized entity that enforces a

top-down level of control but China is a

good example of that Paradox I was

talking about China has a very obviously

effective and wide you know pretty big

government

uh although it's kind of relative

because you think about it China's

government spends about 15 centrally the

total budget overall majority of it is

spent locally and I'm mentioning things

like that because a lot of these

surveillance and a lot of the policing

and a lot of the uh exercising authority

over citizens in China doesn't actually

happen at any Central level it happens

at the local level

with China itself is a very

decentralized society and as far as

Taboo Talk topics and online regulation

of uh Speech which admittedly is pretty

Central centralized

of course the internet as a whole is a

centralized

and you know it's a it's it's it's not

something that can be local in nature

right

but as far as taboos in China about what

you can and can't talk about I mean a

lot of that has to do with differences

in culture Asian cultures are more

likely to be you know uh repression is

normal in these kinds of cultures like

we know in Muslim societies you can't

there's a lot of taboos as far as the

religion is concerned what you can and

can't say and China is pretty similar as

far as

um with things that are perceived to be

either forms of like disrespect and

defiling of what they consider to be the

sacred history or traditions of the

country or alternatively what they would

interpret as incendiary rhetoric and

incitement to Insurrection

so you know uh you're a lot of times

you're just dealing with the difference

of culture and obviously America doesn't

share that culture and probably will

never share that culture but

you know if if you understand the

Technologies

that we're talking about here

you have a a dual process right of

course technology increasingly

centralizes and optimizes things in ways

that seem overwhelming and totalizing

right but that also corresponds to the

same institutions or corporations trying

to centralize the technology losing

control of the process

and although we saw in the case of

Twitter when Elon Musk released the

files of how there was a lot of

collusion between the government and

Twitter to alter the algorithm and

sensor and so on and so forth

I mean these Tendencies

um

can't help but give rise to their

opposite right uh alternative kinds of

platforms

uh you know and you could say oh well

people are going to be brainwashed and

whatever I mean that's always been the

case

uh since TV broadcasting that was the

case the internet if anything

is opening up the possibility for

alternative narratives and ideologies to

take hold right so I still remain really

skeptical

of the prospect of Technology

acquiring the total

um

scale you're talking about like I don't

really believe there's gonna be a

singularity I think what you're dealing

with is

the emergence of

yes technologies that are more

collectivistic in nature in terms of how

they give expression to people's

thoughts

but which are also more resistant toward

any kind of top-down initiatives for the

purposes of control whatsoever

besides I mean obviously censorship is a

big thing but even when we're speaking

in terms of algorithms

and things of that nature like I more

than anyone understands how much the

internet's manipulated and how much

people's perception of truth is

manipulated by like what which things

get boosted and which

things are relegated

Into Obscurity but I I'm just against

identifying the internet as the problem

specifically that battle

between a hegemony that's mainstream and

a counter hegemony that's pretty much

Underground

has always been the case even before the

widespread adoption of information

Technologies

really

I think the dangers we're witnessing are

pretty transparently

ones of the use of force different forms

of

emergency powers where the government

pretty much is going to authorize itself

to use the military or extra police

powers

to basically violate our constitutional

rights and to me that's where the danger

really lies I don't I don't see

the rise of big Tech

uh

as something that can be resisted I

think it's kind of vain this is a new

paradigm it's a new transition into a

new mode of production

just as much as the transition from you

know

uh let's just say uh the use of

windmills to the steam engine

right and the rise of trains and this

this is a new paradigm it's it it's ugly

in many ways uh you know the luddites

when they saw factories they thought

these were giant monsters that were

eating people alive

but how much of that is just a kind of

trauma in the face of a a new mode of

production rather than a political

concern about totalitarianism

right but

I guess what

what I'm reacting to on a personal level

is

uh growing up in the Bay Area and

witnessing how bazo leftism

um was inextricably linked with

technological

advancement and the

greater goals of uh centralizing wealth

for Silicon Valley which of course had

its

um flaws

which I see very evidently in the

failure of its central bank so I I do

um

I am uh hopeful about what you just

brought up about

your your skepticism about how

easy

centralization would be and how

um I myself didn't know

that

China and and it's party

exercised it's

um

you know citizen control uh more local

rather than than centralized levels so

I'm

I'm happy to hear that but

in the Bay Area the proximity to the

gentrification and also cultural

manipulation of coastal cities

throughout California by Tech really

gave rise to this uh

widespread

reductionism and uh

brain damage about

the redistribution of tech wealth being

the answer to

the the problems associated with

gentrification uh displacement of

Working Families eradication of

intergenerational wealth

Etc

um

yeah given that this basal leftism

is so linked with tech that this idea

that Universal basic income for example

would be a kind of uh

victory for the working class I

personally am very apprehensive of

because I I do I do fear

governmental tyranny and I fear that

I I think conservatives bring up a uh

valid concerns about what

welfare states tend to wreak on human

dignity especially when combined with

greater cultures of

um

transhumanism for example the widespread

use of recreational drugs uh as a copium

with urban life

um I still don't

I'm still not convinced that communism

is uniquely immune to uh

falling prey to this Vision that I think

puts us at a disadvantage to our

Technologies like a technology ceases to

be useful when it makes us useless right

uh

you're talking about automation

yes I'm talking about my concerns about

automation defanging the working class

again I'm skept if you look at what's

being automated it's not the working

class it's the professional managerials

that I mean people could talk about

driverless cars that's gonna only change

at a state level and government level

and the government is not interested in

allowing for driverless cars because of

yeah the toll it'll take on the labor

Supply so it's really the driverless

cars is the only real site I see for the

right but but personally I disagree and

I work in uh I work a gate adjacent to

productive labor and for example they're

already pursuing automation of uh

pure productive labor

um

machine learning uh engineered drills

for gas pipes and fiber lines

um you know next they're going to be

excavators next are so it is available

already early adoption of

um this kind of replacement for

productive labor and the expertise of

that yeah but when you're talking about

oil drilling uh just what what kind of

jobs is the use of machine learning

going to replace

for drilling

uh Construction

jobs literally I I don't I see I I have

to tell you something okay machine

learning is the software technology okay

if you're gonna replace construction

that is going to be a an advanced in

robotics that's in advance in some kind

of construction tool

I don't I don't see that replacing

physical labor anytime soon

I disagree I think that's why uh there

is such a whole hog pursuit of

um

the transhumanist agenda in terms of

decoupling uh

human rights from human bodies which has

been already been achieved yeah but this

is kind of a meta like what is a human

body versus a human mind it's not you

can't really separate them uh there's no

evidence whatsoever that any kind of

separation of that at the level of

Technology we're even close to that so

you know I I I kind of tend to be really

dismissive about like look we can talk

about the implications of AI we can talk

about the implications of automation

when it comes to what's been brought

about from The Information Age

Technology right but when we start

getting into the territory of Robotics

and we start getting to the territory of

especially transhumanism

I tend to be extremely skeptical that

we're anywhere close to actually

replacing human bodies

um you know the the automation of

factories

uh has been going on for a very long

time decades you know and obviously

there are a lot of jobs that are going

to be replaced but I would argue there

are just as many jobs

whose necessity is opened up

um but which which may not be adopted

because of capital is not interested in

what's necessity it's just interested in

profit and also you have the degrowth

Paradigm which isn't interested in that

but I mean even if I were to entertain

the view that we are having all the jobs

getting automated and that's all the

more reason for Maga communism because

automation just means we should not be

working as much as we do if at all why

why should automation be a problem

you're saying it renders us useless well

if if we are truly approaching the point

where human beings are no longer

necessary for anything that human beings

find necessary

we are now in the realm of you know uh

total super abundance

and now man is free to pursue his uh

scientific and artistic talents as

Mark's put it like we are Beyond

the need for anyone to work

by uh for necessity right but the thing

is it's like I think it's really easy to

see that's not what's going on we are

nowhere close

to uh

you know um going beyond the kingdom of

necessity in terms of Labor and if

increases in automation should require

decreases in the work date so be it but

you know I look at the situation and

it's like there's no plan for any of

this right if a lot of people are going

to start losing their and again I'm

really skeptical of it because it seems

to me that the people losing their jobs

are I I really disagree that there's no

plan I think there's been a plan for of

a very long time in terms I mean if

the predictions of eugenicists are

accurately depicted in uh fiction

Allah like you know 50 100 years ago

um I there's been a pretty coherent

Vision about

replacing pesky humans I think you can't

I know but I think but that's not that's

a automation from degrowth

yeah yes you can because we should be

automating more than we are right now

and the reason we're not doing it is

because of the growth

I mean automation increases production

and cheapens the cost of production

that by Nature Spurs competition that's

what capitalists who are in Monopoly

position don't want they don't want to

have to compete with lower costs what

they'd rather actually do is just degrow

in order to maintain their monopolies so

you can decouple them because they're

inversely proportional and but but the

whole Paradigm of automation again needs

to be strongly emphasized that this is

limited

through very limited spheres in

comparison to what most people's

expectations are

human beings are not going to be uh

replaced anytime soon

rather there are certain kinds of tasks

that have been rendered Superfluous and

most of those tasks belong to the realm

of mental labor not

Blue Collar labor I think Blue Collar

labor is acquiring an increased

significance with the development of the

productive forces because again

many people underestimate

for example many people underestimate

just how much The primary sector of the

economy which is agriculture

is still based in just farmer Jack

you know most farms in the U.S are

Family Farms most farms in China are

very small farms even in Europe you'd

think the farming industrial got totally

all automated no the farm is still based

on the very simple farmer Jack growing

crops and just in the same way

that agriculture can never be fully

modernized you have a industrial heavy

industry sector of the economy which is

the production of real things

infrastructure construction maintenance

all that kind of stuff that is not going

anywhere anytime soon there's there's no

these systems we're talking about in

terms of Technology of Information

Technology they're not perfect and

they're dependent on physical

infrastructure that falls into disrepair

that um you know is is victim to a lot

of different unforeseen

things

which make it impossible for it to be

fully conquered it's not like

information technology is Conquering

every sector of the economy the hard hat

blue collar workers are not going

anywhere anytime soon that's my view at

least

right but I work with hard hat

construction workers and I know for a

fact that

there are machines rolled out this year

that can already replace

the the peak

career aspiration for uh groundsman

which is to be author of his own drill

right for for laying pipe for laying

fiber what have you so

by I I agree that yes because we have

not reached advancement in terms of

robotics

specifically because the algorithms have

outmatched our uh

embodied AI infrastructure doesn't mean

that's still defanging and uh castrating

the working class by all of a sudden

rendering the

the

expertise that where you develop uh a

finesse for your your craft with

whatever type of construction that is

the first thing to go is that highest

paying yeah yeah the specialized things

that involve more mental labor where the

opportunities for men to lead men

but but you have to notice what you're

talking about you're talking about

things that involve more mental labor

things that are at the top the base

level Blue Collar working class jobs are

not going anywhere and

of the serving of robot overlords in

this case uh for example a fiberling

construction company that now needs to

report to a Droid drill instead of a man

that that invites them to barbecues on

the weekends that matters for the

American working class I think yeah it

not matters it does matter it matters

for the better because it decreases the

amount of brown-nosing that is necessary

on the job site for your average worker

instead of having to kiss the ass of

some manager and pretend you like them

you have to get out of a robot yeah but

robots aren't robots are not like actual

uh sentient beings and they never can be

I mean when you're talking about a robot

in this way it's it's on the same level

as if someone who is used to riding

horses talks about the mechanical kind

of engine or talks about the steam

engine or the uh combustion engine

we're not serving the engines that are

in our cars originally speaking our

ruling class is pursuing a definition of

algorithm as personhood you can't that

is that is

there's guys in Silicon Valley that like

to LARP about the prospect of that to

make their lives more interesting it

will never come there will never

be a point where AI as we understand it

the algorithm

on the current I mean maybe when you're

talking about Quantum computing

even then I doubt it even then I doubt

it because you know when people talk

about consciousness

and people talk about personhood and all

these other kinds of things they are

talking about something that no one has

any at the level of modern science

understanding of we still don't even

know where life comes from as much as

modern science has progressed we cannot

replicate the conditions that gave rise

to life we can't do it no scientist has

ever been able to create life simple

forms of life the most simple uh

smallest and like uh benign form of life

that we can find in the wild we can't

even replace that we don't even

understand what life is so when someone

tells me that because this Mechanical

Turk replicates some of the things we

used to think only people could do like

um

aggregating data to produce patterns and

saying this is going to lead to a

replacement of human beings and a kind

of new Consciousness I'm just extremely

skeptical of that I really just don't

buy it

yeah I mean I it it just seems that

we're at an impasse on on that front

um

because I I do

really really take that fear seriously I

and um I as someone who works with

construction workers

I

I make it a point to ask as many people

as I can uh

their views on automation

and

you know like liberal philosophers like

uh Ferrari who are celebrated by

celebrating and endorsed by neoliberals

like Bill Gates and Barack Obama

and uh

you know Peddlers of propaganda like the

the New York Times and and Washington

Post

they all endorse this idea of

technology

being wedded with Humanity such that our

uselessness is accelerated and that the

new in the New Age the dawn of the new

age the success of uh New World Order

totalitarianism is to reduce

the human to the instrumentality of a

non-human animal

and

if all the wealth in the world is

dabbling in

investing in this future it's not really

not I promise you it's not

all there

infinitesimally small percentage of the

wealth in the world is being invested in

anything let alone this science fiction

scenario of creating robots and

artificial intelligence like look even

just just understand that hundreds of

trillions of dollars are bounded up in

derivatives alone derivatives are

literal abstractions that have no

concrete basis in anything all right no

all the wealth in the world is not being

through I mean if you actually think

about it the pace at which

we are seeing advances in these various

spheres is extremely small compared to

the Industrial Revolution why because we

don't have any real backing for

technological and scientific advancement

anymore we're witnessing what they call

the great stagnation all this

fear-mongering about technology is just

because of a very specific form of

technology which is information

technology but this has led to the

delusion of Singularity we've always had

k-waves they're called contracea of

waves we have the steam engine we had

cars when we've always had these new

paradigms of Technology Information

Technology the only difference in that

case

or if you want cybernetics is that it's

a form of technology that is very

proximate and immediate toward how we

understand and experience reality so

this technology is going very very

proximate and

like it's getting very personal as far

as we're concerned about how we

experience reality and this leads people

to assume

and and confuse that for this technology

like actually being much grander in and

it's a scale of change than it actually

is

right but it is very Grand in its scale

of change and I haven't seen it I mean I

mean look you can talk about it okay

you could talk about chat gbt you can

talk about smartphones can you name at

the level of big infrastructure let's

talk about big infrastructure what what

advances have we seen

in terms of

actual real production and

infrastructure in the past 30 years

I would agree with uh

your assessment of great stagnation and

great stagnation with infrastructure and

development and maintenance

which is why there are many

parts of the United States that look

like undeveloped underdeveloped

countries because there's been a very

clear

decay

but

at the same time in in terms of uh okay

drastic radical

change that

is mediated by technology that would

affect infrastructure and downstream I

think a great example here is the

successful

uh manipulation of social media by

exactly

so it's just it's just this ephemeral

information I'm not underestimating in

terms of its significance but no this is

not leading to a science fiction

scenario where we're gonna have robots

and Skynet in The Terminator and it's

that's not what this is all right this

is this is a profound change in humanity

I agree right but

in terms right actual material physical

reality it's not leading to a trans

reality okay we're still the same old

human beings that we've always been and

we are still inheriting the

infrastructure of the 20th century most

of which has not been updated uh in most

parts of the world China's the exception

to the rule mostly

so when we're talking about all these

vast ambitious Notions of changes in

Scientifics we're gonna look we have to

understand that the scale of advancement

and change we are overestimating it

because uh we have smartphones and we

the smartphones are doing all these

things and showing us things on our

screen and we confuse that for changes

going on in the real world the real meat

and potatoes basis of production right

but the real meat potatoes here is

depopulation

no yeah I agree but

yeah

we don't understand it has a direct

relationship but the Paradigm of

depopulation is not that we're going to

replace human beings with robots it's

that we are going to call the total

population to 1 billion people so that

we have to we don't have to support as

many mouths they're not trying to

replace people with robots they are

outright trying to reduce the global

population to one billion people because

in this view this is what's sustainable

for the planet's health or something so

[Applause]

let's say we're talking about uh a robot

army replacing the blue collar working

class do you know how many carbon

emissions that would require

that would require a lot of carbon

emissions that would require a brand new

Industrial Revolution like alongside the

cars we're going to be producing these

robots and mass manufacturing them and

at a scale of tens of if not hundreds of

millions of people like yeah that is

definitely not compatible with any green

agenda

well if uh methane is 14 times more

potent than carbon and the idea is

depopulation to offset carbon emissions

for all of the infrastructure that

requires to feeding a human population

um I I don't agree with you that

degrowth is necessarily

decoupled from trans Human Resources

because listen D listen

we have a

companies don't produce things

for no reason they produce them to sell

things okay

and

there's no

it's it's a completely wrong framework

D growth and depopulation

is something that will allow companies

to maintain their Monopoly without

accelerating production all the things

you're talking about about automation

automation serves the purpose of

increasing production why would they be

increasing production at a cheaper cost

if they want to Coal the population

doesn't make any sense the point is to

radically roll back production which

includes stagnating technology

artificially actually

for the purpose of producing less for

less people

it doesn't make any sense for production

to be automated

because the only reason for automation

is to cheapen the cost of production

there has never been a single example of

automating the forces of production that

didn't correspond to the view that it

produces more for less than human beings

right so then how is automation

unrolling not a arm of depopulation by

accelerating human uselessness

because automation only happens

to produce more which means more

consumption

otherwise you have a crisis of

overproduction it's that falling rate of

profit Marx always talked about

so uh

you think that

liberal philosophers

uniting these ideas do so I think

they're more propaganda purposes alone

no I think they're charlatans smelling

their own farts and I I think they're

out of touch with reality these liberal

philosophers don't know the reality on

the ground they overest they have these

Grand ambitious visions of technology

and the scope and scale of technology

that just don't correspond to reality

and they're over hyping it as actually

an expression of this kind of Bourgeois

anxiety because they're clearly seeing

that this new mode of production is

rendering them useless and it's

outmoding their world view and their

entire role so they're compensating for

that by like having these Grand

narratives about the future of

technology that just really don't

correspond to reality like the truth is

I mean earlier you mentioned they're

trying to create a form of Socialism

actually what they're trying to do is

cope with the actual existing victory of

the Socialist mode of production

are the the nature of the economy on a

structural level independently of what

anyone wants anyone's will it's

objectively become a socialistic kind of

motor production

in terms of how things are produced in

terms of the purpose of production

it's no longer any anarch real Anarchy

of the market you you are dealing with

this highly centralized form of

Socialism

which has outmoded the superstructure so

in Marxism there's a base and there's a

superstructure when the base advances

the superstructure gets overthrown

because it's outdated and that's what

we're witnessing all of these people

like you're seeing at these liberal at

the world economic Forum whatever those

are people who are reacting to something

that they have not even caught up with

in terms of understanding the

consequences

yeah I really hope so

um I mean it's it's not that I

am not

thrilled to hear

an argument that essentially D that

castrates their Vision it just seems

that

their

I worry about

underestimating our enemy here

and I

I want you to discuss more how you think

Maga communism is a uniquely

uh capable of

confronting this enemy

when so much of the United States

socially is uh

libertarian

or republican in the sense of uh

you know decentralized democracy and all

that

um yeah

but I mean like

look

there's the the the big government

that's a danger right now is the

government that outright is going to say

we want to use emergency powers and

suspend the Constitution

to you use our Monopoly on violent Force

to like have this outright dictatorship

of Finance capital

right and actually technology is

inherently subversive with regard to

that aim technology is something they

want to control so that it doesn't run

wild out of control I mean

you're dealing with the Legacy

establishment that is reactionary with

regards to technology

and then you're dealing with this

incipient Paradigm of Information

Technology Ai and all these other things

which whose inherent tendency is

actually revolutionary right

is a revolutionary thing and then who

came to the forge who oppose it was the

digital artists

who were going to lose their livelihood

from it

um IP law is now called under called

into question IP is the only thing at

this point that keeps these Brands alive

I mean would Disney exists without IP

probably not right

um you know and then you also have uh

just look at the look at how people like

Jeff Bezos and Zuckerberg and all these

people are brought in front of the

Congress in the Senate

in front of everyone and the CEO of tick

tock or whatever where they're like

basically laying out their concerns

about how all social media is giving

rise to fake news extremism Russian

propaganda and so on and so like they're

losing control

and there's no one

there is not a single member of the

ruling class

who is ahead of the game as far as

actually making compatible with

technology their vision of totalizing

control the closest that comes to it is

I think maybe someone like George Soros

with his Carl popper ideology but the

funny thing about George Soros is that

even he has to acknowledge yeah

right now we're witnessing the dangerous

rise of fake news and populism and

there's no way for Democratic

institutions quote unquote like he likes

to call it to reign in on this and

control it so honestly the to me the

manga communist vision is really just

unleash the productive forces let's

harness

and use this very new historical era

itself

um not only as a weapon against the

ruling Elites but as the sanction of the

war against the ruling Elites like we

have outgrown the need

for our ruling class for our

superstructure we have outgrown the need

for the bullshit service sector of

bullshit jobs automation means we should

probably be working way less right per

day and per week

um

we already laid before our feet have

this future all we have to do Chinese

people work uh Less weekly and daily

than the United States

no but that's probably related to the

fact that a China

is still developing as a country and

it's not quite at the same level as the

United States is concerned and B China's

Paradigm of modernization and

urbanization

probably has not yet taken into account

this specific problem and that's

something within China people are

discussing and debating right now

especially because of their 996 culture

so

you know it's it's an Open Door

basically China's reform and opening up

is very flexible in terms of new ideas

and new kind of Rights right but in

terms of the uh

implementing technology to increase

human Leisure opportunities for the

purpose of human flourishing I'm

wondering how we separate ourselves from

bezo leftists with that who in invoke

that as their entire vision for Humanity

but with no grit

with an entitlement to it I don't see

any segment of the American left which

is enthusiastic about technology I see

the contrary and extreme skepticism

towards technology and you know every

new pair they hate Elon Musk everything

he does they hate crypto completely they

hate web 3 they all they do is Mock and

deride it they are absolutely opposed to

you know AI art and I so I don't see

that but among I will give you that

among the UK left

which is a visual left there was this

kind of fully automated luxury communism

idea

which gained a lot of traction for us a

certain period around Corbin's Campaign

which was basically saying like yeah

this is going to be just nobody has to

work anymore we're just gonna get

a basic income and

it's just gonna be robots doing

everything and it's it's they called

luxury communism and what I'd say to

that is that

that's not what I'm talking about I'm

talking about decreasing the amount of

labor hours but universalizing Blue

Collar jobs which are always going to be

necessary I mean

at the end like mankind will never fully

conquer nature there's always going to

be

the need for an industrial Army to go

and confront the dividing line between

right humanity and nature right so

I'm not talking about a luxury communism

I'm just talking and by the way I don't

think most of the time most of the free

time people have will be spent in

Leisure for purposes of Hedonism or

pleasure but on the contrary will be

this alternative economy that is

decentralized one actually where

you know uh it's what Marx calls free

association people's creating their own

kind of restaurants their own designs

for goods their own kind of uh

entertainment whatever art science

scientific discovery the free time is

not time to just sit around and do

nothing free time is the time you have

to pursue right relation human abilities

without having to be straight jacketed

by some kind of standardizing

institution because right so

well my question is is that uh many

Americans fear that

communism can't come without

overreaches of top-down control and and

they would respond to the vision you

just

outlaid about

um free association they would argue

that these are qualities of the free

market pre-regulation so how do you

reach how do you read the Americans in

this country that are very uh deeply

trained into

recognize pairing free association with

the free market and lack of top down

free market free market ideology is a

itself a form of utopian socialism

it's an ideology which

um

reads too much into the laissez-faire

era of capitalism as if that was some

kind of like rational

coherent system and it wasn't a system

it was just a laissez-faire kind of wild

west situation I'm Pro free market a

free market you can call free

association of free market I have no

problem with that whatsoever but a free

market or free association is going to

presuppose

this kind of

common

nationalize the energy nationalized the

heavy industry let's standardize Blue

Collar labor work for very little per

day and the rest of it people just

pretty much

give to the so-called free market see

the problem with free market capitalism

and I'd say I call it capitalism is that

most of people have this vision of a

bunch of vendors with fruit stands

selling their own goods and peddling

their own Wares that's all great right

but most of the work most of the way in

which people participate in the economy

isn't as some kind of independent

producer but as a laborer doing a

standardized kind of nine-to-five job

where there's no Freedom whatsoever

there's no free market there's no free

anything there's no human ability being

Unleashed in any kind of way so as a

society we need to collectively address

the fact that we do need standardized

work we need to do work that we do

because we have to not because we want

to right yeah coal miners are necessary

we need to dig coal from the ground for

an example yeah right not because we

want to do that or or it's necessarily

what we think is the best thing

personally but because it's necessary

for society okay so we dedicate very

little to that and then the rest of it

we do on the the basis of our own

Pursuit of Happiness and freedom where

it's not even just because we want to do

it it's what we find individually

necessary so one individual say it's my

opinion that this is necessary another

individual says no it's my opinion that

this is necessary

I'm all for giving people the Liberty to

disagree about how the economy should be

right and let that be sorted out in a

decentralized way but there needs to be

an assortment of Baseline things we can

all agree are necessary right energy

right land yeah like General land

ownership by the way which doesn't mean

the government owns all the land to say

uh you know this is what the land is

going to be used for only but to say

like you can't speculate off of the land

you can't

use land to put other people in debt you

can't buy and sell land you can't have a

free market in land

right and I do believe that there should

not be a free market in land

specifically also the real estate market

should probably be get in some form

eliminated maybe you can re-emerge in a

new form but not in the form it takes

today

um

right so then what do you what is your

vision then for for vanguardism in this

Society because again I feel that the

anti-establishment uh base that you're

the populist base you're trying to reach

are going to bulk towards that idea of a

Vanguard party

um I I don't think that's I mean all

parties function in a very centralized

and kind of top-down way today the

Republican Party the Democratic party

every libertarian party every party does

I don't really think that's necessarily

the issue I think the issue is to what

extent should the party be involved

in controlling people's lives and I

don't think it should be

involved in that I think the party

should focus on

the party's goals

and as far as people's personal lives

are concerned it's not the party's job

to tell you

the party should be what Stalin wanted

it to be actually toward the end of his

life

which was a moral guide a spiritual

leader it should be an inspiration to

people and Stalin actually wanted to

really severely limit the power of the

Communist Party of the Soviet Union

turn it into this kind of like moral

leader and guide and then strengthen the

institution of Soviet democracy

unfortunately Khrushchev and the others

were really

um not on board with that because they

would lose all their power privileges

right

but I'm I'm using that as an example

because uh

okay I'm building myself an organization

right right

and it's going to be using decentralized

web3 kind of Technologies

it's gonna be a party that's never been

seen before really to kind of just

strongly emphasize how

there's a central message of the party

but it's it's the way that message

um reaches people gets decentralized

and

that I I think that's how it works today

there's there is a really a functioning

Communist Party

anywhere in the western world

because these parties can't adapt to

this information age they're stuck in

this kind of mentality of yeah I'm gonna

be the lead we're gonna do this top-down

kind of

a centralized party where it's like

we're going to try to control

information

directly you can't do it in the age of

social media I mean I myself have a

community the infrared community and

people have this idea that I have some

kind of central controller and I don't

the memes that gain Traction in this

community the the popular Tendencies the

personalities that become popular the

Arts that becomes popular the uh the

ideological positions that start to gain

currency I have very little I have no

direct control over that whatsoever I

can influence it very strongly probably

more than anyone else can but I don't

have control over it it's something that

happens in a decentralized way

and um right that that's so that's

that's beyond the scope and scale of

what modern parties can do right now

right right so on that vein uh how do

you view your continued uh use of

anonymity with this uh party building

because I one of the arguments coming

out of conservatism right now is that

one of the uh greatest detriments of the

of Information Technology that has uh

proliferated a uh widespread expression

of psychopathy or or sociopathy just a

a great disregard for uh decorum

and therefore for abilities to you know

really Inspire the best in people the

best that would be needed to uh stage a

uh

a cultural Revival or revolution what

have you

they argue that it's anonymity that

underpins this

proliferation of evil of of bad yeah I

think that's that's a little

more kind of uh philosophical I guess

but you know the the party but how do

you get the American people to trust you

when you won't stand behind your words

with your identity as a citizen on

display

um

I I mean I if you're asking do I think

people in this organization should be

wearing masks absolutely not they

shouldn't wear masks but um if I if I'm

if I mean I'm PR my identity is probably

going to be revealed eventually but if I

want to conceal my name to protect my

family

you know I I think most people can

understand that leftists are really

Psychopaths and

I don't think that's

I mean my I don't think my name is

really important I'm you know

if I become a high level politician I'll

probably have to disclose it but I'm not

I'm just a streamer right now so

I'm not sure what you mean exactly like

yeah yeah I mean as a greater strategy

for uh creating this

cultural revitalization that need that

would need to accompany Mega communism

don't you think that you know when

you're invoking uh what it what it means

to be a man and a man as a leader that

you shouldn't you stand behind your

words with your name and your face and

and risk your

I mean like you have to understand I

don't have a very large group right but

other conservatives are are doing that

yeah ones that are getting that are

getting hired by The Blaze and are

already you know

look

I I if you can find a conservative who

has as isolated as I am

and who is as controversial as I am as

well

and who is also extremely Limited in

their reach in proportion to how

Infamous they are

be my guest but you're not gonna find

them there is no online content creator

who is so infamous

relative

to such a small community and reach a

relative right like I don't have a huge

Community there's only 300 people right

now that are watching this right but I

think you could break out of that

Community with your name no I don't

there would be no difference whatsoever

the only thing that would happen

would be that uh my family would get

harassed by disgusting Psychopaths

and um does Jackson Hinkle's family get

harassed by discussing Psychopaths yes

they do

but by the way there's already an

intention to start harassing my family

because they found they made up a fake

name of me and they literally harassed

that family they literally harassed them

like I have already given it been given

a taste of the things they want to do

based on what they've tried to do to

this other family

so it doesn't matter what's happening to

Jackson when this is literally what's

happening to the family that people

think I belong to

right that's devastating

I'm very sorry to hear that

I mean yeah I just like

yeah I mean I I only I only say these

things because I do I am very moved by

your intellect and Analysis and your

ability to

build a community I just would like to

see that staged Beyond

the recesses of the essentially

terrorized internet where they've

they've terrorized you into a box

I think it's enough for people to show

their face and just be out and about I

don't think

someone going by the name on their birth

certificate is especially important

um and I could do that by the way and it

you still wouldn't pin it down to

anything I I have left no trace of any

existence

probably anywhere you could find me on

College records or something but

my name is attached to nothing like and

it would be hard to find me with my name

and it's not even attached to anything

like you really could not find me

anywhere

right so if

here's a question

um and and pardon if it if it comes off

uh wrong but

essentially I I see why why not

uh why not code switch and uh pursue

your goals through

uh established conservative channels

where you could then so um

a wider audience I am not

I am a conservative with a small C in

the sense of My overall temperament and

disposition that's what that's the sense

in which I would say I'm a conservative

but right politically

um is it really accurate to call me a

conservative probably not I am not here

to cope about thinking that we can

resist

um changes in the forces of production

which will absolutely change many things

about Society while at the same time

deepening the fundamentals of

civilization that won't change but not

only will they not change they will not

change in ways we don't we can't even

foresee so I I don't I don't know if I

really would call myself a conservative

in every sense of the word I'm not just

here right I mean I I'm not someone

who's just like Vigilant of change I'm

someone who's trying to actually discern

real material change because I don't

think leftist progressivism is real

material meaningful change I think it's

right I think the real

Capital C conservatives

are the pink hair woke people actually

because

they are just conserving the monopolies

of the ruling Elites in the status quo

and it corresponds to this great

stagnation

so no I would I would 100 agree but I do

think there is a a window of opportunity

for small C conservatives to get their

message out just because they're at this

point is a uh open invitation for

anti-woke

thought to express itself and I think

yeah I think you would have an

opportunity to expand I'm primarily I'm

primarily concerned with reaching the

working class and to me what that means

the working class

it means the peoples whose the masses of

people whose way of life

is based on the work they do

right instead of the rents they extract

or collect from others or in the the

salary so

that's my primary concern and then after

that I mean of course I want to reach

all kinds of people free thinking people

open-minded people and all that kind of

stuff

right but um you know it's really about

the working class

conservative no I can mean a lot of

things

right but I I think I I guess what I'm

getting at here is your invocation of uh

what is it uh centrism with Maga

communism I I I I I think there is a

opportunity now for centrists to

uh really speak their their Vision

because everyone is so afraid of this

artificially accelerated manufactured

Civil War based on absurdities right so

there's a there's a hunger for a

Centrist Vision

you're pigeonholing yourself with your

audience as it stands currently by being

too outwardly communist

yeah well the the problem with that is

that I think communism is centrism

essentially but to I I don't think

that's the issue the issue isn't that

people are being too insistent upon

their uh dog laws the issue is that one

half of the country not one half but

probably much less than that but let's

say they vote that way

um

let's just put it plainly the Democrats

and the radical leftists on the ground

have normalized the use of political

violence against people that disagree

with them not only on matters of

politics but also matters of culture so

I see one part of the country that has

openly kind of embraced terrorism and

then I see another part of the country

that's baffled confused and you know

scared about that and you know I I don't

see that as like uh

I don't I don't really necessarily buy

into the narrative that like we're just

witnessing

this kind of uh polarization that needs

to be stopped I think the reason for the

polarization is because

the ruling class is trying to Institute

an emergency Powers basically to

override the Constitution

right and you know that involves using

extra legal political Thugs and

political violence to destroy

and beat the opposition so right right

but in within the American context and

given this uh the extremism of bazo

leftists in in the Democratic party

how are you as continuing to use

explicit extremely explicit communist

rhetoric how are you not invoking

terrorism Yourself by

essentially threatening a cultural

revolution

okay

um

I I don't know what exactly what you

mean by that but

call me just because the word communism

has a bad rap doesn't mean I should lie

about my beliefs uh I believe in what

the Communist Manifesto said which is

that the Communist is danger conceal

their beliefs and to me

people have misunderstood what communism

is I forgive most people for

having bad views about communism

sincerely I do forgive them for that but

I I I I basically I have faith that

it will be very easy for people to

connect dots once you start actually

correctly representing communism not

just in word but also indeed

it's very easy to connect the dots and

like look at a Soviet propaganda poster

from 1919 or something and be like oh

that's what it is like once you

understand it it makes sense of an

entire you know like centuries-long

historical period

and suddenly things get connected and a

lot of things make sense

that didn't before you know so I'm

really not worried about

right but how do I communist sentiment

right but uh how do you propose a

cultural revolution when already

proposing I I don't know what you mean

by a cultural revolution

okay that that is not an idea that

you support any kind of uh I don't know

what you mean by that right I mean I

mean currently the Red Guard are being

invoked

with respect to woke

uh violence I think a real actual

Revolution

would be if

small town Working Class People stormed

their Town Halls

and started demanding answers from their

local councilman and then started

heckling their own politicians and

storming their politicians and the GOP

and you know kind of like really

mobilizing to shame and scold the

corrupt and those that have deviated

from the will of the American people and

kind of like

I don't see a cultural revolution as

just like

you know just uh

there there's two sides of the Chinese

culture Revolution there was the one

that was just ideology and that's all

people really focus on was like oh yeah

you have to have the correct ideology

we're gonna force that onto you

but the main one that actually was the

reason it was such a big event

was that it was challenging the

bureaucracy

within China it was challenging the

authorities Mao said it is right to

Rebel because what was going on was that

the red guards

were rising up and challenging the party

bosses

and that's not something I see happening

uh from woke America I see woke America

submitting to the ruling class in every

respect

and you know I don't

so you know uh

you can't really have a Chinese Cultural

Revolution without the rule masses

rising up

and becoming empowered in ways they

never were before uh give me one moment

just wait a second I'm just gonna go use

the bathroom

uh really quick it's not an emergency

all good

hello

hey yeah

yeah I'm back

Okay so

cultural revolution

um

how do you

contend with

Americans who have been trained in

anti-communism

to

uh

to not see a Communist party as a uh a

band of men that would like to line

up nine non-believers against the wall

and and kill them

uh like how do you escape

there's no changing that that might be

their first impression but if Communists

do good deeds and are exemplary models

of virtue for people

within their communities

doing things for people and helping

people and fighting for people that's

going to change their understanding of

what a communist is

yeah and then what's the strategy for uh

contending with uh

infiltration

that's why we're doing the web3 thing

uh we're gonna have a lot of

hardcore ways of verifying party

chapters and

who can actually successfully post and

act on behalf it's gonna so it's a great

decentralized technology which also

happens to have this validating

mechanism that doesn't just allow anyone

to come and say I am part of this you

know communist organization and I

represent it and then do something that

tries to make us look bad

got it

um

I mean frankly I'm I'm running out of

running out of thoughts

yeah no problem thanks for coming on

appreciate it

yeah take care yep bye

all right okay guys uh I have an

announcement to make uh let me unpause

these donations

uh so I had

I was told that I should thank you so

much Josh will appreciate it Hassan

pecker speech syndrome

yeah

I was told uh Rick from the decolonized

podcast thank you so much

already is centralizing the difference

is they're not honest about centralizing

bass stay so much quiet Tech worker and

having worked with pppl who are on the

Forefront of AI all the features that

make it seem like human intelligence is

smoke and mirrors

but yeah exactly thank you so much there

is a vote on ewok's channel on who is

the future of Communism either the

Yankee tanky or the pathetic and weak

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Thank You Yankee Tanki appreciate that

um

really appreciate that all right so guys

I wanted to talk about something I have

an announcement to make so Rick from the

D colonized podcast was like oh Haas we

approached you to debate us but you uh

denied it and I don't remember that are

having so I'll debate you and I will

email us

so I email them

to set up a debate on land back on the

question of whether or not you know land

back is in line with Marxism leninism

and then a day later they blocked me and

they issue a statement saying what do

they say land back is non-negotiable

uh we will not it's not up for debate

and we refuse to debate Hawes

uh and then uh they said we will debate

him with my five seven it's not up for

debate I will literally kill you

if you disagree with me about this you

need to be killed rather than debated

so that this is like the kind of mental

illness that the left is platforming

right now

and uh giving rise to which is pretty

crazy it's like it's kind of crazy it's

a little disproportionate to be like

if you disagree with me about this

Theory I'm literally just gonna kill you

and you have to die there's no debate

you must be just just exterminated on a

physical level

okay and I'm just like okay good luck

convincing people

to give all of America back to you

because it's not going to be indigenous

people it's going to be you actually you

claim to represent them

so that's really interesting right but

anyway so that debate is not happening

anymore they canceled it

which is unfortunate because I was

looking forward to that debate in

particular but there's a few things I

want to show you guys

uh and the thing I wanted to show you

today was about the santis and Trump

actually

so there is a big war going on between

Trump and DeSantis that just kicked

kicked off

now first of all here's the first round

of Republican attacks

indistinguishable from Eugenics with the

Native American veneer yeah it's it's a

they're just I mean they won't debate it

so that's all you need to know about it

you literally just be like okay

I can't debate it because I'm not good

at debating and you're smarter than me

Oz they have to be like no you literally

have to die okay okay

Trump promised in Ira members he'd have

their back

second amendment rights came under

attack Trump abandoned us and stood with

liberal Democrats you guys here for

yourself Freddie so these are

Republicans basically trying to trick

Maga and they're like oh Trump is a

Democrat Trump is not a real Republican

instead of the NRA we have to fight him

every once in a while that's okay some

of you people are petrified of the NRA

you can't be petrified

they have great power over you people

they have less power over me I don't

need it I don't what do I need that is

why I have called for red flag laws poor

Mike take the Firearms first and then go

to court I like taking the guns early

take the guns first go through due

processor he and I introduced

it's totally like spliced it's so funny

another assault weapons Phil Diane you

have some very good ideas Dan if you

could add what you have also and I think

you can into the bill yeah shower you're

ready can you do that Joe can you do

that back can you add if you help oh no

I'll help but can you add what Amy and

what Diane have can we add them in we're

talking about uh rules and regulations

for purchasing

talking about changing an age from 18 to

21 I mean I say that it should all be a

21. you do strong background checks

we're getting rid of the bump stocks

Trump cut and run like a coward

Trump the gun Grabber doesn't deserve a

second chance

so this is that

this is that Rhino propaganda the bird

DeSantis well this is not the one I

wanted to show you the one I wanted to

show you

this is like all-out war from

descendants all right

uh oh here it is

DeSantis is attacking Trump right now

this is the declaration of war it's an

all-out war going on

all right

this is fucking crazy

that is fucking crazy stuff

this is pretty insane and unprecedented

stuff

going on right here

uh thank you so much Yankee tanky

appreciate you man

appreciate you so much

we have to watch this ad

between DeSantis and Trump

thank you so much Yankee tank just

something to note I went from a begging

and being homeless to affording to give

the con money for the war chest for the

org that's real progress thanks man I

appreciate it shout out to Yankee tanky

everyone

you know we should commend that so

Yankee Tanki is doing good for himself

thank you so much man I appreciate that

I really admire that as well thank you

man appreciate you

oh my God holy fuck craft dealer thank

you so much for the 20.

thanks man I appreciate you appreciate

you appreciate you

Donald Trump is being attacked by a

Democrat prosecutor in New York so why

is he spending Millions attacking the

Republican governor of Florida Trump's

stealing pages from the Biden Pelosi

Playbook repeating lies about social

security here's the truth from Governor

Ron DeSantis we're not going to mess

with Social Security as Republicans what

did Trump say entitlements ever be on

your plane at some point they will be we

will take a look at them should fight

Democrats not lie about Governor

DeSantis what happened to Donald Trump

Never Back Down Inc is responsible for

them

damn

they are really going

hard with that social security stuff

that is sure to be really damaging

to Trump

that's sure to be really damaging no way

no fucking way

okay so there's a a fun video I want to

show you guys it was made by uh Viva

it's a Balenciaga video let me show you

it's me this is crazy thank you so much

Harold leftists are threatening to kill

me on Twitter for having the American

and Soviet flag in my room smiley face

yeah that's

that sounds about right inverjas and

zerk official by Balenciaga

no way

let's check this out

yo Jerka is that you where the hell are

we

does this sound like me

does that sound like me I feel like it

doesn't sound like me yo Jerka is that

you where the hell are we

is that that's me

that's my voice how did you get my that

guys that sound like me

is that you where the hell are we it's

me has I think we're in a Balenciaga

video I know how I got here either this

this does sound like zirko though it

does sound like him

this actually sounds like him and let's

check this out yo Jerka is that you

where the hell are we it's me has I

think we're in a Balenciaga video I know

how I got here either this song just

keeps playing you got something to do

with this has this is how you betray me

bro I can't believe you're a Freemason

[Music]

what how do I look like that this shit

is crazy I must have gotten zero fucking

sleep why am I here Balenciaga is a

fucking satanic like it looks like Circa

but it doesn't look like me you know

organization I read Albert Pike and he

said that when high levels of

homosexuality are reached between

leftists all the base people get

vanished to a different spiritual plane

I guess we are so based that we got

stuck here

why the hell did they miss you an

afro-asiatic Mediterranean male we gotta

get out of here zerka wait who's that is

that no it can't be you were canceled

years ago that's right boys it's me Alex

Jones I'm back I know a way out of here

you got to take this red pill in the

corner of the screen do it now it's our

only chance you made it out I was

waiting not gonna lie this entire video

was autistic and shitty as hell and the

guy who made it stayed up till 3am doing

it for no reason other than to test out

this AI chip anyway what color is your

Bugatti

that was Viva let's boost it only 17

likes

I'm gonna retweet it let's boost it

this is crazy yo Jerka is that you where

the hell are we it's me has I think

we're in a Balenciaga video I don't know

how I got here either it actually sounds

so much like him it's crazy dude this

song just keeps playing you got

something to do what this has this is

how you betray me bro I can't believe

you're a Freemason bro shut the fuck up

bro shut the fuck up this shit is crazy

I must have gotten zero fucking sleep

why am I here Balenciaga is a fucking

satanic organization

I read Albert Pike and he said that when

high levels of homosexuality are reached

between leftists all the basic people

get vanished to a different spiritual

plane

I guess we are so based that we got

stuck here

why the hell did they miss you an

afro-asiatic Mediterranean male we gotta

get out of here zerka wait who's that is

that no it can't be you were canceled

years ago that's right boys it's me Alex

Jones I'm back I know a way out of here

you got to take this red pill in the

corner of the screen do it now it's our

only chance you made it out I was

waiting not gonna lie this entire video

was autistic and shitty as hell and the

guy who made it stayed up till 3am doing

it for no reason other than to test out

this AI shit anyway what color is your

Bugatti

oh my God that is just

that's some pretty crazy shit

that's some pretty wild shit I'm not

gonna lie

that is some wild shit

that is some wild shit go go uh like

this

go promote this

oh my God that's so crazy

that is so crazy

ah yeah that's

that's interesting to say the least

that's interesting so DeSantis is

outright attacking Trump

and the war is heating up and it's gonna

be interesting primary but it's

officially War right now and I want to

show you some of the things Trump has

said in response to DeSantis

uh you know

Santa's ate chocolate pudding with his

fingers while on a flight

it's already attacked to Sanderson as

DeSantis has his Dirty Fingers

all over uh senior entitlements like

cutting let's check that one out we're

gonna check this Turf War let's check

that one out

make America great again let's check

this out

make America great again let's check

that one out this is like a Turf War

foreign

guys this is hilarious this is hilarious

check this out look at this

what is this

Santa has his Dirty Fingers all over

senior entitlements like cutting

Medicare slashing Social Security

even raising our retirement age tell Ron

DeSantis to keep his pudding fingers off

our money oh

this man a spoon

all right Trump's was better trumps was

better

trumps was better easily way better

Santa's has his Dirty Fingers all over

senior entitlements like way better way

better

putting that yeah

there's no beating that one that one's

way better

this this is from April 3rd

think you know Rhonda sanus think again

in Congress DeSantis voted three

separate times to cut Social Security

that's right three times over three

years

worse DeSantis voted to cut Medicare two

times DeSantis even voted to raise the

retirement age to 70. the more you learn

about the sadness the more you see he

doesn't share our values he's just not

ready to be president make America great

again Inc is responsible for the content

that one's kind of weak I don't like

that one that was a little weak it was

like ah kind of boring

yeah that one was kind of weak

this is the full ad of the uh fingers

check us out

Ron DeSantis loves sticking his fingers

where they don't belong and we're not

just talking about all right so that was

the whole thing we missed only a little

bit of it

uh okay so I want to talk about

something else

uh are there any more of these ads

no no we have to talk about Trump's

response okay Trump

it's on Truth social

so it is really heating up

it's really heating up

they're talking a lot yeah the Trump

team is talking a lot about social

security and Medicare they're sending

out emails talking about how the sand

just wants to take away Social Security

and Medicare honestly it's kind of a

Maga communist angle when you think

about it Trump's basic angle is like

DeSantis

is a neoliberal who wants to privatize

everything and cut benefits for

hard-working Americans

Medicare and Social Security

but that's mainly for the elderly right

that's that older vote they know their

numbers

as far as what they need

yeah we gotta check the Trump war room

foreign

Okay so

that's that as far as this battle is

concerned

and I wanted to bring your attention to

it

primarily because uh

we've been talking about The Descendants

deception for well over a year now and

it's pretty much unavoidable at this

point for everyone who has eyes to see

that Ron DeSantis is a fucking complete

psyop he's an establishment shill and

these are the terms that are defining

the basis of the

electoral primary race between Trump and

December thank you so much taxes

DeSantis also is beefing up police

unions like Florida this has me

concerned if he is indeed planning on

running 2024.

I'm not sure what the implications of

that are actually going to be so I don't

know if I would be too concerned about

that or

I'm not sure right but um I want to draw

some attention to something else that I

saw

actually from James Lindsey who is a

huge anti-marxist I've always wanted to

debate this guy I think I tried to reach

out to him I didn't really get a

response I don't think

but this was a rally that was going on

in Northern Ireland recently and this

was listen this was the decision of a

handful of people in Northern Ireland

decided to bring these to the rally

and and and and I guess people are just

baffled

I think you know what this is this is

revenge against the Caleb mop and CPI

conference that's what it is this is

revenge against the Austin Texas CPI

conference with the Soviet and American

flags side by side they're like okay

well two can play it that this game we

can just completely

rep the Soviet flag in this disgusting

way and and uh defame the image of Lenin

but

it's like the Twitter shit is spieling

over into the real world

uh this is absolutely disgusting and

if anyone wants an explanation for why

this is I'll tell you what it is

these activists

are violent people and they bought into

anti-communist propaganda According to

which Communists are bloodthirsty

violent monsters so the reason they're

repping this flag and they're using

Lenin's image is because they feel like

it gives them power power they don't

have if you show people in the dawn bass

this image

or in Russia this image they'll lose

their shit right but they're using this

because it makes them feel powerful

it makes them feel like they're just as

powerful as the communist state in the

Soviet state

and that's why they're doing it they

would use Nazi Flags if it wasn't so

Politically Incorrect

they would use fascist Flags if it

wasn't so Politically Incorrect

that represents some kind of violent

politics but they use this one because

this one is politically correct because

of the circumstances of World War II so

that's what's going on here

but this is also a very obscure marginal

thing but it's like it's just

interesting that

it's like huh it's it's we're the ones

who make communism look bad right

James Lindsay doesn't share

uh our stuff he shares this stuff to

convince people that communism is mental

illness and arrangement

yeah you're really you're really you're

really uh making communism mainstream

here you're really convincing people

that it's not a psychotic mental illness

really convincing people

how much of this is just single-handedly

a reaction to us and what we've done

but these are the red lips you know

these are the red Libs they're really

growing in size these are the Hakeem

viewers

but uh there's a profound level of

cognitive dissonance even for the people

who are doing this they do this and

they're like they know it doesn't mesh

well but they're doing it anyway is this

you know what's interesting guys

um

I get called a Nas bowl a lot you got a

lot of you guys have seen that

knowledgeable flag where it's like a

Nazi flag with the hammer and sickle I

shit you not if you measure the brains

of the people carrying this flag and

measure the brain the brain waves of NOS

Bowls in the 1990s Edward lemonov's

people

it's the same kind of like cognitive

like libidinal experience going on it's

like they know this is an inversion of

the symbolism they know it's an

inversion it's a an edgy inversion made

to make a statement they know in no way

is this some kind of authentic

representation of Soviet communism but

they're doing it because they're

deriving some kind of perverse

satisfaction from the subversion and

inversion

of the symbolism

there is no difference between this flag

and the nozball flag then and the

nozballs in general the nas Bowls in the

1990s

and large part were perverts they were

punk rock edgy people

who wanted to subvert and kind of

undermine in an edgy way the symbolism

of Communism and this is exactly what

this is also doing that same Petty

Bourgeois or even worse lumpin

kind of impulse

so this is just some lump in mental

illness that's in yeah it is nozzle in

in nature

I'm speaking as someone who understands

what knowledgeable is

a real phenomena from the 1990s in

Russia which was a very much youthful

lumpin punk rock

anarchistic phenomena

and that's exactly what this is right

but uh if you if you showed people this

in Russia I'm sure they would be very

confused

say cookies they'd be like what the fuck

is this

can you address Andrew and Tristan take

recent anti-communist tweets let me

check your audience can be easily swayed

it's clear from the tweets that the Tate

brothers are clueless in regards to

Communism

I was not made aware of any

anti-communist

oh just this are you just talking about

this

um

because I don't really disagree with

this it's I don't I don't know if this

is anti-communist

um

I agree that this is

I'm the one who says yeah based we need

jobs we need to work in fields

uh we need to increase the productive

forces

and we need to reduce the amount of

people who are salaried parasites

getting fucking paid to write bad poetry

in SoundCloud Rap by institutions

entitled so yeah I don't I don't think

this is that I thought it was gonna be

worse than this right so is this what

you're talking about and then let me

look at Tristan say

I don't disagree with that

okay

that was not bad

so Tristan Tate

uh

uh let me see where where is the

communism stuff

from I don't see anything from Tristan

at all

I don't see it

I don't see that at all

I do not see it

I don't see it so

doesn't seem that bad to me

um

look and outright people identifying as

anti-communists are much

there's more potential in them than

so-called Communists who are just

subverting

and undermining the meaningfulness of

that

you know like the people the the trans

flag Soviet flag Communists quote

unquote communists are infinitely worse

than outright anti-communists like

infinitely worse if you're interested in

reaching the

working class you know

um

I'm gonna very briefly look at this

video this is a video from Kim Iverson

on Marxism and Maga

and then there's apparently there's a

guy

some bizarre person made a video about

me as well

um

is America headed for demise I mean

we're seeing skyrocketing inflation the

crime rate is way up we're seemingly

marching ourselves into World War with

several Nations around the globe what is

going to happen to us with us now is

Caleb moppin he recently wrote the book

where is America going Marxism Maga and

the coming Revolution Caleb I'm very

interested thank you so much for joining

the show

sure glad to be here

Marxism Maga and the coming Revolution

what do Marxism and Maga have to are you

saying that is one against the other are

they this no does this have anything to

do with me or what same what is your

position on that

well essentially I'm using Marxist

analysis to explain where the United

States is going and why we are facing a

crisis and I argue it's rooted in a

long-term economic Fallout and then that

gives rise to divisions among our ruling

class but part of the reason ibism is

around the world and that what's

happening right now rooted in the

economic foundations of society and it

is leading us to political turmoil

Marxist one of his communist parties has

become somewhat conservative whereas

leftism and the the Revolutionary energy

uh that kind of defines leftist

political uh that is very much what

Vladimir Lenin wrote about when he wrote

imperialism the highest I just think

that the near the fact should buy the

elites this is like 30 minutes I gotta

watch this whole thing there's just no

time I'm going to briefly

react to this tiny like idiocy this guy

is uh mentally ill I think

but I'll react to it anyway it's like

it's totally irrelevant but we can react

to it

we can react to it same degree so you

know what's interesting is like this I

feel like this video could be from two

years ago

uh and that just shows how profoundly

out of touch this fucking idiot is like

this video could have been released two

years ago

why patriotic socialism is wrong

uh dude yeah it must have been like five

years to make this video or something

like that's

sucks like uh out of

touch thing

you know what I mean

it's so like behind with the times

but these are you you yeah these are

like this is the side of ml YouTube

of people who have

and I don't mean this as an insult

because I am on YouTube they do have

autism it's just like

and there is a connection between

various neurological

non-standard neurological dispositions

with kind of like just very old things

you know like

a fixation on the old and

familiar

because it's like soothing or something

to them right but anyway let's just see

what this is this this is my part

apparently

it makes you wonder if these people ever

go outside if they ever leave their

desks if they ever talk to another human

being person to person outside of all

the posturing and bloviating his ideas

and understanding of Marx's theory is

devoid of all understanding and is

polluted with metaphysics and larouchism

and Dugan brain rot this allows

is there anything he just said that's

testable or is he just we take his word

for it odds to come to conclusions such

as organizing sucks and the US is

already socialist clearly

is there any engagement with the

argument or is it just self-evidently

wrong just to be clear because I know

like they don't want to the key thing is

they never want to test it like is that

testable or is are you just gonna say

I'm right if you disagree with me I'm

gonna put a bullet in you and kill you

because I feel like these things should

be testable somehow I try to test it

through debates and that's really what

debates are about for me it's like I'm

just trying to test you like can you

actually support this rationally and

logically in a consistent way

can you follow through with this line of

reasoning

without revealing it's obvious internal

contradictions can you actually engage

with the things I've said about this no

you can't but anyway let's continue the

thoughts of someone who doesn't have the

slightest idea of what he's talking

about and yet he manages to

okay can you demonstrate that in any way

speak with such an inflated sense of

authority that his equally idiotic

followers gobble it all up and

regurgitate these ideas to any who try

to hold Haas to any level of

intellectual standard

but who has tried to hold me to any

intellectual standard can you name one

person that's actually engaged with me

on any level that can be called

intellectual that you agree with

just one person

now why do I call these people infra

cells it is because Haas himself whether

he wants to admit it or not is an incel

even in the extreme unlikelhood that

he's had sex Haas presents himself as an

incel in his okay hold on didn't he just

say

it makes you wonder if these people ever

go outside why are you showing footage

of me going outside talking to hold on

before we get into that part I'm pretty

sure unless I like

my brain I have a forgetful memory like

what did he just say

ing degree it makes you wonder if these

people ever go outside if they ever

leave their desks if they ever talk to

another human being person to person

yeah it really does make you wonder

doesn't it sex Haas presents himself as

an incel and it really makes you wonder

really makes you wonder they've ever

gone outside and talked to someone

person to person

it really makes you wonder you know it's

such a mystery oh we need

we need the what are the we need

Scooby-Doo and friends to solve this one

guys this is just a total mystery

it's like

okay

let me go outside and talk to people

person to person

you could have just not shown this and

pretended you never saw this

okay let's let's see what they're saying

though why did why are we called in for

cells let's see so even in the extreme

unlikelihood that he's had sex Haas

presents himself as an

yeah it's like so extremely unlikely

like you know

yeah yeah it's like so like it's so

extremely unlikely like like

compared to this guy it's like this

guy's a guarantee the guy

you know like the

Nintendo fandom Asperger's guy that's

totally in a different League of its own

all right

but let's

incel in his mentality he okay so I'm in

so I'm an incel because of my mentality

uh despite that I have a girlfriend that

I live with

okay

well let's hear I'm open to hearing the

argument for how a mentality can make

you an end so

he's extremely insecure in his

masculinity which

okay I'm insecure in my masculinity

okay so let's write that down

leads him to engage in extremely cringy

machismo posturing and Petty insults to

present himself as a testosterone-filled

Chad that

I don't think I need to present myself

as a testosterone-filled chat as a

matter of fact

I am willing to bet that if I

scientifically measure my testosterone

levels they will be orders of magnitude

larger than yours I'm just confident in

that

I think you probably have a much lower

level of testosterone than me I don't

think people when they hear me or look

at me

are thinking about

what lengths it took me to pretend that

I have high testosterone I think they're

just like yeah this guy has above

average testosterone levels but I could

be wrong maybe I have very low levels

you know but

let's let's continue

I look so good in this

cringy machismo posturing and Petty

insults to present himself as a

testosterone-filled Chad this insecurity

is plain for all to see and is not only

painful to witness but emerges as a

toxic masculinity which attacks and

belittles women LGBT people people of

different body types it's painful to

listen

okay

all right uh and it's and people have

what do you say body types

is a toxic masculinity which attacks and

belittles women LGBT people people of

different body types and people

so you can't call people fat anymore

okay

well why not

different appearances all of which

serves to soothe his insecurities and

the insecurities of his gaggle of idiots

in the infrasal community

yeah you're just insecure you know

you're just insecure like that's really

what it is like I'm a fat obese fuck

with extremely low T levels

and you you go to the gym every day and

you take care of yourself and you're

actually a real man because you're

insecure why don't you just like let

your wife get fucked by other men like I

do like that's totally an example of

security in my masculinity like why

don't you just like why don't you just

like wear a dress that's the Totally

Secure thing to do as a man

so many people have asked me to debate

Haas or moppin the answer I give is why

what possible good why so you can

actually so your Claims can be tested

why should anyone

take what you're saying at face value

if you actually want to convince

if you want to beat me and eliminate me

from the internet convince my audience

that I'm wrong you can do it

a sizable chunk at least if you can

actually

prove your claims in a debate like they

need you need to make claims that are

testable the only way we can test them

if there's any substance behind them is

through a debate because so far I don't

think there's been much substance I

think you've talked about

um

how you take issue with certain aspects

of my personality

and uh where my dick has been

you have not addressed anything

you haven't said anything about me

that's testable you've just made claims

there's no you haven't even offered any

reasoning to justify those claims so the

reason

people ask you to debate is to prove it

because you sound like a little pussy

right now like why should I debate uh to

prove it prove what you're saying is

true prove you can stand by the things

that you're saying

can you stand by the things that you're

saying when confronted

with an adversarial dialogue can you be

can you sustain these claims when

confronted with their opposite probably

not you'd probably fold immediately

so you need this safe space to do this

do it could it serve to debate

individuals like Haas or moppin people

so fundamentally divorced from engaging

in good faith or behaving in an

objective or constructive manner that

engaging with them at all is a point

okay again this is just substanceless

jibber jabber where is what about what

you just said is testable is there any

way we could test whether that's true or

not plus exercise that can only serve to

inflate they're already massive Egos and

offer absolutely nothing to the movement

as I've so because we'd win those

debates if you debated Caleb you'd lose

if you debated me you'd lose

that's not because we have to be

brilliant Debaters just because you

clearly misrepresented both of us

and a debate would be an opportunity for

us to confront you with those

misrepresentations in a way that you

could not run away from

you can lie about us in this video

all you want

um

and and you won't have to you you won't

have your audience witness how you would

squirm in the face of being confronted

with these lies that's why is our

antithetical to Marxism and completely

void of any useful contributions to

revolutionary science their

understanding of Marxism is entirely

lacking and they only entertain Marxist

rhetoric in an effort to mask their

fascism as something proletarian and

something revolutionary and

it is is there an okay hold on let's

let's let him finish my segment when

they're confronted about these errors in

a constructive principled way they

rapidly descend into baseless conspiracy

theories bigoted and juvenile attacks

and all manner of brain dead idiocy to

appeal to their equally brain dead

followers

can you list an example of that

they prioritize and chasing clout and

gaining Fame in a petty Bourgeois

attempt to be the kings of their own

little ant hills while polluting the

communist movement with their cancerous

parasitic and fascistic slime that they

call ideas I could go outside and find a

fresh dog turd and take a big old whiff

and be more intellectually stimulated

than engage with moppin or Haas for even

one second and it was certainly

so you're admitting you haven't even

engaged with our ideas then how are you

an authority to make all these claims

about

our lack of understanding of Marxism

certainly be a better use of my time

fascists and Nas bowls shouldn't be

debated to debate them implies that

their ideas are worth considering yeah

the problem with that is that how do you

know who's a fascist or not you don't it

just becomes a matter of who can

convince the most amount of people based

purely On Emotion who the fascist is and

eventually even you can get accused of

being a fascist as long as there's a big

enough mob to support that accusation

you're opening up a justification of

violence against yourself

that's what happens when you make claims

that aren't testable in ways that people

outside of your Echo chamber could at

least agree with creating standards

that people who disagree audio

ideologically can come to the table and

agree with like what is a fascist

how are we fascists can we think about

that critically or is it just

self-evident

the only reason to address them at all

is to point out their Myriad of errors

and their vacuous nature of their

existence hinkleberries and right

opportunism finally

I haven't I didn't find a single reason

for why it's wrong from this I I found

the

I found he said that uh I don't go

outside and then he showed a video of me

outside

and then he said he uh it's really

unlikely he's had sex

and even though I have a girlfriend that

lives with me and then he said

um

he said uh

he said I'm insecure that's what he said

he said I was insecure about my

masculinity

and then he said I insult people

and then he claims I don't know anything

about Marxism

and that I'm wrong

okay but you're supposed to provide

reasons for why patriotic socialism

quote unquote is wrong and you didn't

you just made a bunch of claims about my

personality and me that themselves were

not substantiated but even taken by

themselves do not

actually demonstrate or argue for why

patriotic socialism is wrong so I think

this is just

not very impressive I'm just liking it

on the merits I'm I gave it a chance and

I was going to be fair but on the merits

of what this the title of this video and

what it actually has done at least just

in my segment

there there is no argument for why it's

wrong it's just a bunch of

bizarre personal attacks which kind of

sound like projection I kind of think

the uh

you know

uh recently it was one of my siblings

younger siblings birthdays

and me my girlfriend and my only group

sibling went to the movie theaters to

watch Super Mario

uh because I wanted to watch it it kind

of looked like a fun movie

and it was pretty good but

I kind of feel like this is the type of

person

that I would look to my right left and

right and I'd probably see them there

and this it just doesn't really strike

me as a person who's particularly

socially adept

kind of think this is a Nintendo

Asperger's kid nothing wrong with that

but

I just kind of find the nature of the

attacks against me to be like a little

too personal

and a little too specific which makes

them kind of sound like projection

uh maybe they're on a love quest and

they're just trying to get pussy or

they're trying to find a girlfriend or

something and that's why they're

posturing in this way good luck you know

they're probably trying to find

one of these

women

including the valid women

on Twitter

uh you know

they're probably just trying to kind of

impress them I guess and

more power to you I hope that makes you

happy

but it doesn't make you someone who's

raised any points

whatsoever like nothing you said was not

Not only was nothing you said testable

you didn't even make any arguments or

points you just made this bizarre video

venting your personal resentments like

it's not my fault you have low

testosterone I'm sorry it's not my fault

you're probably obese it's not my fault

it's not my fault I'm sorry what do you

want from me

all right guys

uh we're wrapping it up for tonight it's

already late

and I'm gonna have some dinner I will

see you guys tomorrow

bye guys

see you later

possibly on Rumble actually

I haven't decided fully but bye guys see

you later