DEBATE NIGHT: Infrared vs. Drew Pavlou

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welcome

this has been long awaited I know you've

been waiting

I got banned from YouTube so we had to

delay it by a week and now we're here

pretty soon I'm gonna be dragging up

China's biggest hater in Australia

a guy named Drew pavlou

Drew is known for his various I didn't

honestly I didn't know research on him I

don't know who drew is I don't know

anything about them I don't know about

all the embarrassing things they've done

frankly I don't give a fuck I think

they're a fucking liar I think they

Define

and defend the crimes

of American unipolar imperialism I think

they're a dog of NATO and a dog of

American unipolar imperialism I think

they're a eunuch thank you so much

Tristan

I think they're a coward I think they're

human scum

I think they call people fascists as a

license to Kill

as they slandered and smeared Daria as a

fascist

as if even if that was true on an

intellectual level when it wasn't

that somehow justifies the murder of a

philosopher's daughter

and an innocent civilian

who called for the death of no innocent

people by the way

he calls me a fascist he claims that

Maga communism is an absurdity that

would be easy to dispel

and he also weaves a web of lies about

countries like China when it comes to

the xinjiang question and of course he's

jumping on the bandwagon of NATO

when it comes to the question

of Russia in Ukraine defending the azer

of Nazis

I will not afford drew pavlou the title

of humanity and I'm not here to have a

discussion with another human being

I'm here to prove to everyone that this

person in addition to being a scumbag is

a fucking idiot

hope I don't let you down

a final thing

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that's when the notifications will pop

up

so without any further ado

let's bring him in

telling him to get in the show queue

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well while we're waiting I'll unpause

the

Sonos

thank you so much Blackjack I appreciate

you brother

said he's posting the link to his

followers

I mean I made a point of being on time

to this

so no one can make the fucking excuse

that he can't back out at the last

minute because I was late

holy fuck the mentor thank you so much

brother appreciate you so much

okay I have to invite him to the Discord

again

apparently

been so much dementor

thank you so much to Mentor appreciate

you brother and thank you fly on your

links appreciate you so I gotta give

them a new invite

I just gave him an invite he said it

expired can't see how that could be true

thank you so much Sage appreciate you

appreciate you base

I actually love it we damn sure don't

need it he doesn't know what's in his

story for him

thank you so much Sage

good morning Revolution thank you so

much Joe Foo appreciate you

okay I sent the link maybe I have to

give him his role

you know it's it's actually strange

because there was a Drew pavlou who was

in the big mistake for Drew's handlers

to let him do this

wait a second earlier before I started

the show he was in the Discord

there was a guy named Drew pavlou who

was already in the Discord

this is kind of fishy honestly it's like

he's saying the link expired I can't see

how that could be true

invalid invite

I'm asking him what his Discord name is

now because he's saying he sent me

sending me a photo saying the link is

invalid

I asked him what is your Discord number

and he said I don't have one what is

your Discord username

oh my God

you don't have a Discord account

I don't have zoom installed right now

we agreed it would be Discord

the stream is going to have to be

delayed by 30 minutes if we're gonna

have to use zoom

oh my God thank you so much MJ

appreciate you

sorry if I'm been overlooking your uh

your messages thank you so much to

Mentor for the 20. appreciate you man

well

I'll work it out

what is your Discord account name and

number

first give me

give me the name

oh that was a use that was already

changing his name all right so he was

not in the Discord previously

that was uh someone impersonating him

apparently

okay

can't really do anything if I don't have

his name

I could just add him and do a Discord

call

instead of it being in the server but

I think in the worst case scenario yeah

we'll do a Twitter space

was not expecting this

he apparently has a Discord account

my old one couldn't log in

so he's creating a new Discord account

this is an incredible to say this is an

incredible level of incompetence because

he was informed like 40 minutes ago

where the debate's gonna be

so I told him it's going to be in the

Discord he made no preparations

apparently

I made a point of being punctual so that

there could be no excuses as far as the

debate was concerned but what do you

expect

it's a stark contrast from the Chinese

work ethic if I may say so you know

this is a stark this is the I guess this

is the Greek thank you so much

I guess this is the Australian work

ethic

I'm not sure this is a

stunning lack of professionalism

and maturity

I don't know what I can expect from

someone who is attempting to take on the

state of over a billion people

because his feelings were hurt as a

teenager

I hope he's not drinking yeah I hope not

I mean

don't know what to expect here

he sent me a page to the Discord support

page saying Drew blue

does this work look

either join the server or add me on

Discord

look I'll just give him my Discord name

he needs to buy more time

my band delayed it by a week

thank you so much paper one appreciate

you brother every time they say they

want a debate they somehow can't figure

out how to Discord at the 11th Hour

thank you so much

appreciate it thank you

thank you so much Farrakhan

probably eating feta cheese and potato

chips on the couch

I don't know I really can't condone that

because you know YouTube and all

well I'm waiting like you guys are

waiting

damn am I this scary I don't understand

I mean I know leftists don't debate me

for a reason thank you so much Anonymous

but he didn't want the free speech smoke

no I wanted to do it on YouTube

that was me I wanted I knew this would

get the most exposure on YouTube

again I just have to comment on the

stunning lack of professionalism and

they absolutely atrocious work ethic and

on display here I mean stunning contrast

to the Chinese work ethic

no response is nothing

again I didn't know it was this fucking

difficult

to use Discord I didn't know it was this

difficult I don't know maybe there's an

Australian version of Discord maybe

there's a glitch in the Australian

version of Discord maybe the Australian

Discord servers got kicked down by

kangaroos I'm not sure right maybe uh

the Australian fighters took out all the

fucking Discord servers in Australia so

Discord just maybe he's got to go all

the way in the middle of the fucking

Outback

driving a Jeep and he's got a fucking

discover where Discord is like he's bit

like burying up some buried treasure or

something I don't know I mean I don't

know why it's such an enigma

to be I mean this guy's got to be like

Captain Hook and he's got a fucking sail

around all of Australia's coasts looking

for where fucking Discord is before he

could just fucking use Discord I don't

know it's been like 20 minutes

takes you know

it doesn't really take this long to make

a Discord account let alone join a

Discord server

I'm I'm not sure what the fucking hold

up is I'm just not you know maybe

yeah maybe the koalas are chewing the

fucking Discord wires

where he is or maybe maybe this is

actually XI jinping's fault and his

Discord account just disappeared like

all the Chinese people he claims

disappeared because he hasn't seen them

in a few days I don't know maybe yeah

maybe Xi Jinping just made his Discord

account disappear and his computer just

disappeared

you know who knows maybe uh you know

maybe his Discord account got taken to

the camps

I don't know

not sure

not sure this is fucking pathetic

honestly there's there's no excuse for

this

there's no excuse for this

there's no excuse for this

holy shit what is the excuse for this

that's

what is the excuse for this I don't did

did Xi Jinping personally kidnap him or

something did he I I don't know what's

going on

I don't know what's going is he watching

shenyoon right now

is that what it is is he in the middle

of a shenyon Opera and he he can't take

out his phone because it'd be

disrespectful

I don't know what this is

did the organs of his Discord account

get taken away or something

I don't know

I don't know

yeah I guess the CCP took away his

Discord account the CCP took away his

Discord rights and he was unable to show

up

I think actually what it was is that he

was um traveling with uh Yen me park and

their train actually uh stopped and

right now he's with Yen me Park pushing

the train on the North Korean Chinese

border because according to her when the

trains break down people have to push

the trains physically and manually and

I'm sure it's really strenuous tiring

effort and that's what he's caught up

doing instead of debating right now

I think he's pushing the trains

he says how do I use this R worded app

I created an account

dude

I think we might have to use a different

app than Discord at this point

uh I regret saying it

I regret saying it but maybe we'll have

to use a different app at this point

honestly

what he's saying how do I use it I

created an account

do you not

you can't navigate the Discord interface

he doesn't know how to join a server

hey I mean like come on at least give us

some slack he's pretty old

he's really old you know he he lived and

he he was born

in 1989 in the middle of Tiananmen and

stuff and he's just

you know he's

he's a really old guy he doesn't know

how to use Discord it's really hard to

use for someone his age

it's like you click on Discord right

it's right here so Drew I want you to

watch him I know you're probably

watching my stream right now it's

actually really easy so on the left hand

side of the Discord page you can click

add a server okay and then you can join

a server and then you just paste the

invite link that I give you and you can

join the server

okay alternatively you can go to the top

left where it says friends

or the uh right here

and there's a button in green and

actually says add friend in green and

you can add me as a friend there are so

many ways you can navigate Discord

is is this a fucking joke is this a

fucking prank is is he actually not

gonna fucking show up

is he actually not showing up what the

fuck is going on dude it's been 22

minutes by now we could have done Zoom

so Drew you can't use Discord can you

just say you can't use Discord

so you can stop wasting our fucking time

I never use this shit I'm Australian

yeah Australians don't use fucking

Discord of course

he's he's Australian which means

navigating Discord he doesn't read

English sorry he only knows Mandarin

because he's Australian he doesn't know

English

he doesn't know how to fucking navigate

Discord it's just this it's too

incomprehensible for so okay

what

do you have zoom

we're gonna have to

it's gonna take a little bit to get Zoom

but we'll do it

we'll do it

he's not responding

dude what are we waiting for how does it

take this fucking long if you want to

watch the fucking YouTube tutorial I'm

not a fucking use Discord you could have

fucking gotten it done by now I asked

you if you have zoom yes I've got Zoom

okay we'll use zoom

okay gonna make a zoom room

fuck's sake

all right give me a second guys give me

a second

gonna have to do the zoom shit

first of all

in second we're going to be doing Zoom

oh my God I can't fucking believe this

okay

new meeting

fuck's sake

all right hold on I gotta get my camera

okay new meeting

oh my God

see I I'm sorry for this guys honestly I

prepared for this so I wasn't I wasn't

preparing to use zoom so I've got to

like get all the settings right and use

the camera all right cameras here

perfect

um

okay

then let me see the audio is good

speaker

okay default

yeah Yeti

okay

this should be working

fine

let me see if I can

I all right hold on

wait wait I see the problem

see the problem

sound settings

yeah he's definitely trying to fucking

bitch out of this

that's okay

hello hello

I don't know why the fucking audio is

decreasing every time I speak

hello hello hello

yeah it's like decreasing

this is fucked up

so

audio

all right you know what it's just gonna

sound bad on his end I don't really give

a fuck about oh song all right

let's new meeting

all right

we're almost done guys

uh invite

okay

copy invite link

all right

uh

can't fucking believe this shit man the

fucking coward

what a fucking coward

Zoom

okay

looks good

looks good

okay

all right I'm inviting him to the zoom

meeting now

ah ah now it's working

this on

we got it can you hear me

yes we can hear you drew oh yeah oh wow

wow okay wow finally finally We Begin

fuck it's not my fault I don't know how

to use Discord uh how are you 23 and you

don't have Discord

has it you know it's just a bit unlucky

it's all good

I'm just worried for you guys I mean you

almost had an aneurysm

before the debate had already begun I

was just worried about it yeah it sounds

like you were trying to bitch out of the

debate before it even be gone you

nervous room what do you mean what are

you so nervous for uh so yeah your face

is red your face is red

you're looking like a Thanksgiving

turkey Drew

right

I'm totally fine head is clear I'm I'm

breathing well I'm very pleased yeah but

the redness on your face says otherwise

the redness on your face says

the bloke who was having a bit of a road

rage before the debate had already begun

it's interesting

the cope that fat people use when they

see someone who's physically fat

so true man so true what are we debating

what's the format are you just going to

scream like let's talk about it yeah

sure I have a topic for you I want to

confront you about your justification

for the murder of an innocent civilian

oh wow let's start with that

look I have to be clear I was actually

trying to troll you I don't actually

support Terror attacks I'm not a

supporter of the Russian government I'm

not support of the Chinese government so

so I'm actually not a supporter of

terrorism you were trolling

justification I'm not going to be let me

talk as I'm not going to be shedding any

tears with Dalia I will I will make the

clear I don't endorse it but I'm not

going to be shitting tears for her

because her and her father are straight

up fashioned straight up fascist I mean

what we what we have when it comes to

diet and and her father the eurasianist

movement they've basically created a new

fund for Nazi ideas they're

rehabilitating Nazi ideas in the Russian

context I'm not going to be having any

I'm not going to be having any tears

today I'm not no tears are going to be

going down you've said your piece that

you're bitching out and walking back

your cowardly statements

see what shows the supporter of

terrorism she supported terrorism

against the Ukrainian people every

single day

Drew you got

and her father supported violence as a

cleansing mechanism they were fascists

they believed me evidence

you've made your claims for every claim

you make I want you to substantiate it

first you call them fascists I would

like you to substantiate that then

you're claiming that they support

violence against civilians who want to

cleanse people

we'll begin with the history of Jurgen

so Dugan was inspired by Miguel Serrano

also a Hitler the Last Avatar which

claims aliens owed their superiority to

extra terrestrial Origins Dugan

originally wrote Under a pet name of

Sievers reference to Wolfram Sievers a

German Nazi executed for walkines in

1947 a man who kept the bones of his

bones I'm not interested in bringing up

in 1990s 1980s in 1997 explicit

1997

we want fascism but that's what you can

yeah true true I actually I actually

made

you didn't you clearly didn't do your

fucking homework I made a full YouTube

video literally talking about fascism

borderless and red there's two facets to

that one Dugan when he was talking about

fascism borderline it was just some edgy

bullshit anyway right but

even then

if I were to concede to you that the way

Dugan qualifies fascism in that work and

he's very clear in his criticisms of

Nazism and actual manifestations of

fascism even if I were to concede to you

that this would have made him an actual

fascist because sure he's identifying

with it Dugan himself divides his own

history from the period where he was he

was immersed in the third political

Theory and the fourth one and Dugan

makes it very clear that the fourth

political theory is distinct from the

third one and that eurasianism is no

longer an attempt to make this syncretic

you know

mixture between socialism and

nationalism or communism and uh

right-wing nationalism but it's actually

trying to search for a new beginning for

Russian politics completely turning away

from all of the forms of political so I

say they always say we're Beyond left

and right-wing politics no he's not

saying Beyond left and right he's saying

he does he's no longer interested in

entertaining political paradigms from

the Western tradition of modernity from

political modernity of the 20th century

this is this is like straight up exactly

left and right exactly yeah I have to

explain

boy boy I have to educate you Australian

boy Beyond left and right that's the

syncreticism of the third way that's

third way this is just the most it's

schizophascism it's a schizophrenic

ideology

that's an at-home I'm sure you've been

prepared for this one here as early as

2004 in as early as 2005 is calling for

the destruction of Ukraine give me the

exact quote in citation the Eurasian

ideas basically basically what he's

talking about is the empty abstract sea

peoples of the maritime Empires

corrupted by you know Jewish decadence

and no did you say Jewish decadence

where did you say that I mean oh but

that's always the subjects that's always

the code where is it the subtext

but Julian is clear about his

relationship to Jewish people and

Judaism and how much he respects and

venerates the tradition of Kabbalah and

so on and so forth so how where where

can you actually justify concretely that

Dugan is in any meaningful sense of

fascist if you want to

in his state of political immaturity

please read me the content of that work

and show me how it has any similarity to

actual fascism

everything Jurgen talks about it is

fascist name one thing name one thing he

talks about that's fascist listen to

what he talks about he talks about

sacrificial Redemptive violence he

describes he describes the west of the

places

because you're a fucking retard who

doesn't know anything about the history

I don't know anything about the history

of thought Walter Benjamin was a Jewish

Marxist from the 1930s who talked about

something called Divine violence and the

meaning of violence has been very clear

in the Marxist tradition so Dugan saying

words about violence in the abstract

that doesn't con that doesn't indict him

as a fascist at all so how to give me a

concrete example of him being a fascist

concretely we'll we'll talk about we'll

talk about what he wants in concrete

reality what he wants in concrete

reality is a Russian imperial state that

experience he talks about destroying

Europe he says we must destroy Europe

and he called in 2014 for the

unification of the far right what does

Dugan mean a few things when you say

right Dugan wants a Russian imperial

State it's not so much that he wants one

it's that he recognizes what he calls

the Russian big space as a space of

common civilization and yes he wants to

spay a state to reflect that fact but he

doesn't he doesn't dream of the Hitler

right adventurism of just building

something out of nothing because might

is right it's not where he's coming from

and then second of all you say Dugan

wants to destroy Europe I'm sorry even

if he did say that

even if he did say that in the context

you're trying to say he did that doesn't

make him a fascist there's a lot of

anti-colonial people who also have

Grievances and resentments over European

imperialism and European colonialism

which mind you actually forms the

concrete context of where fascism came

from there would be no factions without

European modernity there's no fascism

without European colonialism there's no

fascism without European slavery there's

no fascism about without the genocides

in Africa and elsewhere and the

internment camps that the Europeans

pioneered there's Hitler's camps

wouldn't have been possible were it not

for those camps so saying that he had I

agree with you this morning it doesn't

mean he's a fascist but here's the

better thing by destroying Europe all

Dugan means is destroying NATO and the

European union he doesn't actually mean

destroying European civilization and

what why does he want to destroy the

knights on the European Union because he

says that the West is controlled by

shadowy forces by which he means the

Jews he's talking about gays subverting

can you can you give me a single shred

of evidence that justifies the

assumption function that he means Jews

I mean it's it's common I mean by the

way what you're saying is not what

you're saying doesn't even reflect hold

on Drew what you're saying doesn't even

reflect Dugan's point of view Dugan

doesn't need to talk about shadowy

forces because Dugan is grounding his

understanding of the difference between

West and East and a more broader

philosophical or even metaphysical

difference it has nothing to do with

necessarily any conspiratorial cabal

it's more about how the west and Russia

have diverging and differing histories

owing to fundamentally different what he

calls logos which are metaphysical

differences or antic differences so what

you're saying is complete ignorance when

you're saying that he's saying the Jews

control the world there's no evidence

for that right in 2014 in 2014 his

qualities only United far right could

can save Europe from gay Satan

only a United far right can save Europe

from gay Satan this is basically what

it's discussing the whole time he

believes as this there's this

yeah

because you have to understand Dugan is

actually referring to the manifestations

of

yes right-wing populism that existed in

Europe which at the time were the only

manifestations of opposition toward the

European Union that had a mass popular

basis in Europe but regardless Dugan has

been explicit we don't have to Waffle

around and and hermeneutically interpret

the meaning of Dugan's words in relation

to fascisms we just quote Dugan himself

and his understanding of Nazism and

Fascism and Dugan completely rejects

them explicitly and he actually gives

independent reasoning for his rejection

of these things that is consistent with

his philosophy in his worldview this is

a key element this is a key element of

schizophascism by which they reject they

claim to reject and deny Fascism and yet

their methods our fascists themselves so

so what methods are those first of all

let's let's not let's not get on trouble

hold on hold on

both of the Dead the dream of cleansing

uh your your retarded 14 signs of

fascism that could be applied to Joe

Biden too but I want to ask you a

question

this is the problem with fashion because

it's always a movement of the Primacy of

the will over the intellect over reason

it's always going to be internally

contradictory you're talking about

matters

you're speaking about things that Dugan

outclasses you when it comes when you're

talking about will but for example the

people that he allies within Russia the

people he alive with in Russia basically

their entire world do is that this

Alliance of homosexuals this Alliance of

Jews this Alliance of antichrist where

are you getting the anti-Semitism

the accusations

stop fighting behind Jews I don't know

why you're bringing Jews into this this

is this is true you can't really

concrete

you're going to believe that a shadowy

global Cabela it is a structurally

anti-semitic ideology he just doesn't

name Jews because he wants to I mean I

mean he he himself may not know name

juice

is a tool of the Jewish Elite this is

what the Russians are saying right now

this is their propaganda can you call

Dugan suit saying that

these are his allies true what you're

doing right now is you're throwing a

thousand pieces

shut up for two seconds

do I have to mute you or can you shut

the fuck up for two seconds just chill

yeah we're trying to chill Drew I am

trying to hear this debate do they meat

and potatoes of the point you are just

making liberal jibber jabber not making

any substantive arguments you're making

all of these claims about how Dugan is

alluding toward Jews you're not

justifying the claim you're making all

these claims about how fascism places

Primacy of the will over reality where

Dugan's philosophy directly contradicts

that view so you're making all these

different kinds of planes

explain to me how jurgen's philosophy

directly contradicts that you of the

promises

because Dugan actually endorses what he

calls a version of idealism According to

which the Noose and he's he's writing a

huge project called numahia right the

origins in The Noose which is the

foundations of civilization come from

what he calls the new sphere which is

actually from the mind and it's through

the intellect that one can actually

interface with this and come to actually

reflect this right so Dugan doesn't

believe in volunteers he actually

ascribes to a kind of metaphysical

idealism According to which and this is

in his own words the idea has Primacy so

you're wrong Dugan does respect the

intellectual traditions of the world

including the intellectual traditions of

Europe Dugan has engaged with just about

every single

intellectual of the European Canada in

the 20th century including from the far

left and the left so what you're saying

is completely wrong Dugan is first and

foremost this is what I'm trying to

drive the debate back to the point of a

philosopher he's not calling for

violence he's not calling for the

extermination of peoples he's not

calling for massacring anyone he's first

and foremost a philosopher and you

Justified the murder of his daughter

even if you said that his philosophy

even if even if you were to make the

claim that his philosophy taken to its

logical conclusion would be a

replication of Hitler's Germany

something you couldn't even justify if

you were pressed on it even if you were

to make that claim you can't actually

show me how Dugan in his capacity as an

intellectual and a philosopher is

responsible for that he's not he's just

a philosopher and you're justifying the

murder of anyone you see you deem fit

just because you call them a fast is

true how since you this is an extra big

tradition exactly Russians are doing

inside Ukraine they claim anyone who

opposes the idea of ukrainians that's a

perfect example

sure sure

they claim that anyone who denies that

Ukraine should be a subordinated

colonial state to Russia they say that

anyone who believes in that is a Nazi

bendo revive this is what they this is

what they claim and then so this is how

they justify the violence against

Ukrainian citizens including the use of

an anti-carrier missile against

Residential buildings just days ago

we're talking about the slaughter I have

to preface something for the sake of

YouTube YouTube has actually made it

against its terms of service to discuss

events of that nature so we're not going

to be mentioning things like that uh

what what events of that nature what are

you talking about YouTube has made it

against their terms of service to

question what the mainstream media says

about Russia's okay well that's like

that's a very easy yeah but since you

may but I can't address the other things

I'm still allowed to address the other

thing is it's just not the stuff about

the residential building so regarding

the other stuff oh no we know what you

say we know what we know what you're

going to be arguing okay regarding the

uh okay regarding the other stuff that

you were saying you claim that Russia

accuses anyone in Ukraine who resists

Russian colonialism of being a Nazi band

right but there's a few problems with

that Drew first of all the azov

Battalion isn't a battalion of

philosophers they are a battalion of

active neo-nazis when I say active

neo-nazis these are armed Thugs who do

believe that Russians should be

exterminated have taken actions toward

the end of Exterminating Russians and

killing Russians including killing

journalists and beating political

activists and people dissidents within

Ukraine so that's a very real thing the

Azul Battalion has engaged in terrorism

against the civilian population of Don

bass that is an actual application of

Hitler's methods and the methods of the

banderites who Master proposed

the question of Stefan Bandera's Legacy

in Ukraine is not a matter of dispute

Ukrainian schools Ukrainian government

institutions and Ukrainian politicians

are almost all unequivocal in their

campaign to redeem the image of Stefan

Bandera the Ukrainian Independence

Movement unequivocally and indisputably

has its origins in banderism that is

they literally have songs where they

call themselves Banderas and Ukrainian

schools right now so that's not a smear

by Russia finally as to the claim of

colonization Russia doesn't want there's

no evidence Russia wants to colonize

Ukraine the only evidence we have the

only motivation we can derive as far as

Russia's intervention into Ukraine is

that Russia does not want NATO to have a

stronghold and have a footing in Ukraine

Russia wants to defend its own borders

rightfully from NATO's Eastward

expansion you're calling Russia Hitler

rights and and fascists but Russians are

not the ones who are expanding

militarily to the West unprovoked as

soon as the Soviet Union dissolved NATO

decided to March East now they wanted to

go into Ukraine after a coup in 2014

that was explicitly anti-russian and

you're saying Russians have no right

you're saying Russians have no right to

be worried or somehow be um

concerned that NATO is making these

moves right on its border let me ask you

a question Drew would the United States

of America tolerate Russian bases in

Mexico or Canada

this is this is all this is all the easy

propaganda narrative perpetrated by the

Russians they claim it's all to do with

NATO when in fact they don't care that

Sweden and Finland are joining NATO they

I mean they were talking about I mean

you you had Dugan saying that Ukraine is

not a legitimate state that it should be

destroyed he was talking about that as

early as 2005. people talked about this

for decades

he's not mine they want why might

countries in Eastern Europe want to join

NATO why might they want to join NATO

maybe perhaps because of their history

the Decades of Russian imperial

expansion across Eastern Europe I mean

let's not forget that World War II

started when the Soviet Union formed

signed a secret Alliance pact with the

number with Nazi Germany yeah they had

secret Provisions secret Provisions

under the multi ribbon truck pact to

invade and divide Eastern Europe

together and so World War II begins when

the Soviets invade from the East and the

Nazis invade in the west so they just

remember they dismember Poland they

Soviet Union moves into as Estonia

Latvia Lithuania there's an invasion of

Finland and even just even just in the

last 20 years look at the look at the

the list of Russian imperial expansion

like the look of the list of conflicts

Russia oh no sure sure

the leveling of grozny the leveling of

grozny that was a brutal the problem is

true true the problem is you mentioned

the molotov ribbon trough Pact

well Russia or the Soviet Union at the

time tried to form not a not only

non-aggression pacts but defensive

military alliances with the British the

French and others when it became clear

that Hitler had these motivations to

expand Eastward aggressively and the

Soviet Union's requests were rejected so

the Soviet Union was faced with two

options go to war with the Nazis right

away or buy time precious time that

counted counted so importantly by the

way to save itself when it comes to the

division of influence over Eastern

Europe as Western historians like to

claim you actually look at the fine

details here and it's very clear the

Soviet Union's motivations were purely

self-defensive when they say oh yeah we

want Romania we want Bulgaria they don't

mean we want to take over Bulgaria they

mean hey Nazis you can't have your

troops come to Bulgaria because that's a

defense to our security they had no

insurance

what do you call the the invasion of

Hungary in

in the school

together with Romania and other Eastern

European countries actually invaded the

Soviet Union alongside Nazi Germany so

when Hungary yes I know this when a

communist government this would not have

happened perhaps this would not have

happened has you you say oh well they

were looking for an a pact against Nazi

Germany with the West yeah you can go

all the way back to the start Hitler's

rise to power and the Soviet Union

Stalin forbid the Communists inside

Germany from working with the social

Democrats to contain Hitler's rise

hold on

the third period of the common turn was

a direct reaction and a direct result of

how Social Democratic politicians were

jailing suppressing and even massacring

Communists and actually working

alongside the rising fascist Menace at

the time so you're completely wrong

about that

it was the Communist Party absolutely it

was the Communist Party who wanted to

form a block with the social Democrats

and they were the ones who were rebuffed

so you're just revising history if you

if you pull it if you're going to pull

it all the way back to the end of World

War One yes but if we're talking about

the right in in the late in the late in

the early 30s yes the Soviet Union

forbid the Communists from working with

the social Democrats that's not I'm

sorry

Hitler's rights that's not true right

that's not true that's not true Soviet

Union blocking off no the Soviet Union

the Soviet Union adopted the theory

right the Soviet Union adopted the

theory that social democracy was the

moderate wing of fascism because it was

the social Democrats who were not only

suppressing Communists politically but

actually enabling the rise of Hitler and

the Nazis and refusing to work with

Communists that's why they adopted the

third period

um ideology of the commenter and it

wasn't because of ideological dogmatism

and it certainly wasn't because the

Soviet Union forbid the com and this was

the theoretical line International

communist parties in the world were

taking at the time and they were right

by the way

and so also also I mean if we're going

up to the multi ribbon truck pact if

you're claiming that this was purely the

event of measure why was Stalin stunned

um with the news that Hitler broke The

Pact and had invaded all across East all

across Eastern Europe through with

operation Barbara Russo he was shocked

started on shocked he was stupefied for

days they couldn't get through the song

for days so he was completely taken off

guard by the breach of the pack I've

heard the claim I'm familiar with the

claim that he was extremely taken off

guard but the only conclusion I could

draw from that if it's true I'm not even

certain if it's true but I have heard it

and there's some credibility to the

claim just in the fact that it took so

long for Stalin to make a public

appearance after it happened but I will

say that

he wasn't issuing order

to his own generals wait but but it's

just the timing took him off guard

they'd maybe didn't expect it to happen

that soon that month or even maybe that

specific year but they knew it was

coming it was very clear the Soviets

that Hitler had

Ambitions let me ask you let me ask you

let me ask you this has if it was purely

it was purely a defensive pact why was

the Soviet Union Still Still supplying

Nazi Germany with all the mineral

resources that it needed in the in the

intervening War period from when it

invaded Poland because because

in exchange for those raw materials the

Soviets were able to get precious uh

Machinery that proved vital for their

victory over the Nazis as we sawed

throughout the duration of the second

world

look the material that was vital for the

Soviet Union's victory over the Nazis

was actually the lindley's program and

the support of the the Western allies it

this this is a this is a fallacy to say

the land lease is complete cope Britain

got far more than the Soviet Union could

this is

an attempt by contemporary historians to

basically demean the Soviet Union's

Victory because there's they find it so

unfathomable that yes it was the Soviet

Union Who Bore the brunt of the Nazi war

machine and it was the Soviet Union Who

Bore the brunt of the Glorious victory

over the Nazis that was the Soviet

Union's Victory and contemporary

historians who find that inconvenient

for their leadership the victory that

came after they enabled Hitler's rise

and after they allowed not to jump again

we just we just went we just went

through the argument as to whether or

not they did in fact enable Hitler's

rise and you fail to happen not in

Germany the Soviet Union this is a fact

the Soviet Union was fine with Nazi

Germany Waging War on the Western

European allies as long as Nazi Germany

didn't launch a war against us how could

the Soviet Union stop Hitler from Waging

War on the western allies you think

you think the Soviet Union wanted the

Nazis to expand Eastward then why was

The Pact signed Anonymous

content of the non-aggression pact was

to tell the Nazis you you can't go this

much East okay we can't stop you unless

we go to war with you so we're gonna

have a treaty don't cross this fucking

line it was the Soviets who did

everything in their power to prevent the

Nazis from going Eastward who were the

people to object

while your free liberal Democratic world

people like Chamberlain were shaking

hands with Hitler and enabling his

Eastward expansions with Czech Slovakia

and so on and so forth it was the Soviet

Union almost solely the Soviet Union

that was actually raising concern about

how this is unprecedented form of

barbarism and violation of the

sovereignty Nations they enabled they

enabled Hitler's invasion of Poland that

is a fact they know they didn't by the

time by the time

that the Soviets could have intervened

True by the time the Nazis were planning

on invading Poland the Soviet Union had

exhausted its choices and exhausted its

ability of trying to convince the

Western Powers after the invasion of

Czechoslovakia after the invasion

Eastward that hey this Hitler guy's

dangerous we need to form a military

defensive alliance against him they

rejected all of the Soviet Union's calls

for one so when the Soviet Union if this

is true why wasn't propaganda

republished in Soviet papers at the time

improve improve public support

public perception of Nazi Germany inside

the Soviet Union there was actually a

concerted effort I have to look at the

evidence I would have to look at the

evidence of what you're talking about

there but I find it irrelevant because

regard regardless of what they're

publishing in their papers the Soviets

were unable to stop Hitler's invasion of

Poland they were not able and the only

way they could stop that Drew his Soviet

Union could have stopped Hitler's

invasion of Poland is by going to war

with him they could not afford that war

at the time they could not afford the

war at the time because Stalin had

purged all his generals because the

Soviet Union was lacking and Soviet

Union was lacking a lot of hold on the

Soviet Union was lacking a lot of

precious machinery and it was lacking a

lot of the heavy um arms like tanks tank

production and so on and so forth to go

toe-to-toe with the Nazis at the time if

you look at Soviet military industrial

production 39 to 41 you see a rapid

increase preparation for a war right the

Soviet Union was not prepared at the

time in 39 they needed more time to

stall so that they could actually in

addition in addition to build up their

own reserves actually acquire a lot of

the precious Machinery from the Nazis

themselves from the Germans that they

would later use against them that proved

very crucial for the Soviet Union for

effort during the second world

if if that was so crucial for the so for

the Soviet Union's war effort and

stopping Nazi Germany ultimately why is

it that the Soviet Union moved in

massacred polish officers made a made a

concerted

the Polish Cultural intelligence

all you're able to do is like just point

to these sensationalized you know cats

all you have is apology apology

intelligence Drew I'm gonna explain

international law to you and why the

Polish government in Exile didn't

declare war on the Soviet Union even

though the Soviet Union was not an

Allied Power at the time reason they

didn't because under international law

when a government flees their territory

that territory is no longer Sovereign so

the Soviet Union did not encroach upon

the sovereignty of Poland or invade

Poland wow this government had already

fled by the time the Soviets came

actually did Drew what the Soviets

actually did was they set up defensive

outposts

yes that actually also holy shit

defensive Outpost they just had to

deport 10 000 polish officers to The

Cutting foreign

YouTube's terms of service uh will not

allow me to refer to the works of

Growers

when it comes to the logic and facts

around this all you really have are

these specific events that somehow

contradict the wider context but I'll

give you those specific events because

on YouTube you can't contradict them

but but I just don't understand it

doesn't Boggle for it the mind boggles

because in you according to your

narrative the Soviet Union was actually

just was not invading Poland there was

no secret under international law they

were not

oh my God so there were no secret

Provisions in the multi ribbon truck

pack to invade to divide there was no

place

where they gave the Baltic states to the

Soviets they were secret Provisions

Baltic states that were seated if this

was a purely defensive operation why is

it that the Soviet Union deported so

many polls to the gulags there was a

concerted effort to establish a

decades-long occupation okay listen

listen

to the military you you can talk about

your gripes with the Soviets political

system there was a lot of internal

repression against enemies of the state

even among the Russians themselves it's

by no means exclusive to the pause but

the Soviets I mean Soviets the Soviets

mass roundups or polls the Soviets would

have Justice

the Soviets would have Justified said

deportations under the pretext of

security concerns not because they're

polish they have a problem with the

Polish ethnicity because

that's why they have to deport polish

children

10 first of all 10 000 people is not the

entirety of the Polish population

there's no

so you're trying to hit the Soviets

tallest politicians polish Statesmen I

mean I I I I have to look at them I

would have to look at the facts but I'm

open to the idea I'm just saying I'm

open to the fact I'm open to accepting

the fact that the Soviets

probably did engage in some political

repression against uh the Polish

political it wasn't just political

repression it was uh

I'm just missing your claim that the

multi ribbon truck packed was just a

purely defensive operation okay I'm

dismissing that kind by saying if it was

a purely defensive operation there would

not have been the moves by the Soviet

Union when it came into Poland to take

preliminary steps towards what they

believed was going to be a decades long

okay sure I have to explain this I've

explained to you about the preliminary

steps so the Nazis invade they take half

of Poland the Soviets for security

reasons obviously do not allow the Nazis

to take the other half and in return for

that they sign a non-aggression path

that's the terms of their agreement

don't go past Poland and there's other

stuff too right so the Soviets in order

to consolidate their defenses

in order to consolidate their defenses

in the eastern part of Poland had to

um establish the political supremacy of

the Soviet state well if there's going

to be resistance to the

military and logistic authority of the

Soviet state that's going to undermine

their ability to defend themselves so

the fact that the Soviets were engaging

in political repression in the western

half of Poland sorry in the eastern half

of Poland is in no way an indictment on

the self-defense of nature of the

molotov rib and Trump pact on the Soviet

side

I mean

it's kind of I'm sorry it's just cope

because these were secret talks between

the Soviet Union and and Hitler's

Germany so what's the secret who cares

if they were secret who cares if they

were secret the Soviets

for you you're all your alternative is

always the alternative is that the

Soviet state should have gotten

destroyed they didn't want to have their

stuff no no that's not the alternative

so what was the alternative I have to I

have to say to you has of course if it's

the Soviet Universe Nazi Germany of

course I'm against nothing I don't want

to hear that I want to talk what is the

Soviet Union's alternative 1938 39 what

is their alternative what is their

alternative besides let this go through

oh my God like like the Soviet Union

assisted German air forces by allowing

them to use signals broadcast by the

Soviet radio station at mins like holy

things

he had a non-aggression pact a

non-aggression pact that exactly

waffling around I want you to start

waffling around

this is crucial to the whole thing

was the alternative for the Soviets

the alternative for the Soviets not

invading Poland not decapitating the

Polish culture let's do that let's do

that Drew so Hitler's going to invade

Poland the Soviets are not going to take

the eastern half of Poland so the Nazis

are is that what you think no no this is

the alternative this is the alternative

if the Soviet Union had said explicitly

to to the Nazi to Nazi Germany no we

will not countenance in a Nazi German

invasion to the east Hitler would not

have invade in 1939 that is a fact

you're saying if the Soviets told Hitler

Poland is our red line that Hitler would

have said okay uh we won't invade Poland

he wouldn't have in 1939

that's how stupid you sound Hitler was

his name was let me explain to you what

have actually happened yeah Hitler was

maniacally War driven he would have I

pressed into Poland he would have

pressed into Ukraine and he would

invaded the whole of the Soviet Union

and here's the best part I agree he

would have been able to make the case

which is what his dream was a better

case to the Western Powers hey although

I'm invading Poland just like I took

Czechoslovakia I'm also going to destroy

the Soviet Union for you how could

Stalin predict whether or not Britain

and France are going to join along and

clap along and Aid Hitler's Endeavors

these are unpredictables why should he

have taken that risk

I'm saying to you I'm saying I mean

there was a war going on in Western

Europe at the time there was an internal

War hold on there was an internal War we

had the whole Saga of appeasement with

Chamberlain there's an internal war

going on the Nazis are trying to

convince the populations of Western

Europe hey we're the Defenders of

Western Civilization the Real Enemy are

the Soviets we're not bad guys we're

good guys and there were appeaser

politicians in Britain in France

throughout the whole of Western Europe

that had Hitler's ear and they were

listening to the things Hitler was

saying so why should Stalin risk all of

the western Powers teaming up to destroy

and dismember the Soviet Union as they

tried to do two decades earlier during

the Russian Civil War when the Allied

powers and Germany invaded the Soviet

Union to destroy the first military

indicator

has Poland had a defensive treaty with

France and Britain if the Soviet Union

had said we also will not countenance a

war with Poland

and Britain refused the Soviet Union's

call for a defensive military Alliance

so the Soviets have no guarantee from

France and Britain that if they join in

the defense of Poland that France and

Britain are going to be on the Soviet

Union side they get no assurances

whatsoever why should they take the risk

has has it's very simple it's very

simple okay

Hitler wanted to avoid yes I agree with

you that Hitler's ultimate goal was

always the destruction of the Soviet

Union because he believed that the

Soviet Union was a Jewish State he

believed that it would fall apart

because it was run by like Jews he had

this insane vision of course his his

push was his his overall goal from as

early from when he started he described

him uncomfortable it was always to go

East the Soviet Union 100 that is why I

am personally confused why the Soviet

Union would sign would sign a pact that

would actually divide up The Spoils of

Poland the alternative why would the

Soviet Union because the alternative was

war with Hitler's Germany by the way

Drew let's even put this into

perspective let's see Britain and France

in 1939 said hey Soviets if you join us

in biting the Nazis ass we're gonna

support you and be on your side hold on

these Soviets took on Nazi Germany while

they were part of the Allied Powers in

World War II almost single-handedly they

took the whole fucking month Stalin kept

telling Churchill he kept telling the

Americans let's open up a western front

let's open up a western front they

prefer to sit back and let the fucking

Nazis Slaughter 27 million citizens of

the USSR that's what they preferred

instead they wouldn't open a western

front even when they were in the Allied

Powers the Western Powers weren't

supporting them so yes the Soviets

needed the crucial time to build up

their reserves because they knew the

Western Powers were not going to come

show up for them and help them take down

the Nazis they were going to have to

pretty much do it by themselves and they

did fucking do it the people like you

sit here and now say oh that was just

because of Lend Lease that's the biggest

fucking bullshit I ever fucking heard

you want to know why the reason the

Soviet Union wouldn't go to war with the

Nazis in 1939 because their victory in

in for as of 41 World War II that

victory was so precious and not

necessarily inevitable that was such a

crucial not necessarily an inevitable

Victory okay they clutched that okay

they could not have afforded that

victory in 1939. the Machinery they got

from the Germans the time it took to

continue to produce proved to be so

fucking crucial

I mean

has it's

it's just it's just kind of I'm sorry

because why why does the Soviet Union go

into the Baltic states why does The

Sovereign

first of all the Baltic states were

looted from Russia during the uh Russian

Civil War included from Russia during

the Press during uh during breast

litvask which was violated by Germany

I am defending the territorial Integrity

of the state that the Bolshevik party

came to power on the back of yes so but

Lenin was the one who signed away these

countries

to get Russia out of world war one that

was the price they had to pay for peace

with Germany but he was happy to do that

yeah he was I don't understand

true there's a crucial detail the

problem is that Germany forfeited and

violated breslid boss and in addition to

that the terms of breathless were

forfeit after the Treaty of Versailles

when World War one came to an end so

breastless Vox breast lit vasque it's

not a binding treaty after World War one

is conclude

I mean it's I I just don't understand

what exactly about the Russian Empire

prior to World War One what exactly for

you makes those that territorial

Integrity sacrosanct why should the

Russian Empire

Australia sacroscent

nothing necessary what makes the

territory of Greece Democratic consent

what makes the terrorism if if if for

some reason there was if there was a

Civil War what makes Cyprus signs of

sacrosanct why shouldn't Cyprus go to

Turkey

and the borders of any state are

arbitrary but those are what Define that

state sorry no I'm not playing at the

arbitrary I'm not saying all states and

their territory are arbitrary I'm saying

in the event you you said what makes

Australia's territory sacrosanct well it

not neces like okay okay for example in

the 70s the Papua New Guinea was still

technically under an Australian mandate

the Australian dollars

no I'm saying I'm saying the Australian

government voluntarily gave Papua New

Guinea its independence just like all

decolonization happened where there's

still economic costs what I'm saying

what in your world view

stayed with Australia no I'm just saying

I'm just saying the reason just because

just because Papua New Guinea is granted

the veneer of political dependence

doesn't actually make it independent is

what I'm trying to say and as far as the

Soviets were concerned they were dealing

with it

hold on hold on the Soviets were dealing

with a very delicate situation now

before the rise of Hitler in 1932-33 the

Soviets had no territorial Ambitions

whatsoever in the Baltic states or in

Finland right but it's the threat of the

Nazi war machine that's being ramped up

with the capital that's coming from by

the way London and Wall Street and the

industrialists of Britain and America

the Soviet Union is really scared that

these Baltic states which by default are

hostile to the Soviet state including

Finland which was a a

extremely anti-communist government

aggressive toward the Soviet Union so

yes they're absorbing these territories

because the alternative is allowing them

to be outposts of Nazi aggression

because those governments were hostile

to the existence of the Soviet state and

would have willingly ceded I mean Latvia

for example the Baltic states they would

have willingly probably invited the

Nazis and the Germans because the

Germans considered it their sphere

influence because they consider those

people Germanic right so the Soviets and

the non-aggressive backs say no these

are not your Germanic uh territorial

Brethren we're not going to let you use

these territories to fuck us over and

destroy us it it does not make sense

because in your narrative the

multi-ribbon truck pack is just purely

defensive that is quite of course yes

Invasion no but but there was

unprecedented cooperation between Nazi

Germany and Soviet Union

a ribbon truck pack they the Soviet

Union was actually enabling yeah there

were various gestures of Goodwill

yeah

that were necessary

Was preparing an ultimate long War to

defend itself defend the Soviet Union

and its territorial Integrity against

Nazi Germany why do they suspend all

anti-nazi all anti-fascists

or because it would have been seen by

the Nazis because it would have been

seen by the fucking Germans as a form of

geopolitical aggression and would have

provoked the Germans into actually

preemptively suspending the terms of the

non-aggression pact and invading the

Soviets you think Stalin trusted a crazy

man like Hitler if they did not no they

didn't want to give the Nazis any excuse

whatsoever and that kind of uh that kind

of um information that oh yeah

that would have signaled to the Nazi

Germans

it would have gave them any kind of

excuse right they don't want to give

them any kind of excuse if their reading

mind comes they know from the early 20s

they do know that they do know dude Drew

Drew they do know but if they know

because it's an extremely delicate

situation and every month that they can

save time on counts every month they can

buy accounts they don't want to increase

they don't want to

increase an already tense situation

that's the fucking point okay for

example for example

there were actual Nazi German soldiers

who defected went across the Soviet

lines tried to tried to make clear to

the Soviets that there was a massive

preparation underway for Operation

Barbarossa and it went all the way up to

silent and Stalin didn't believe them

and didn't mobilize evidence didn't

mobilize the Soviet Army didn't mobilize

its own humans that is why that's why

the initial claim there is no evidence

for the plane there's no evidence for

the claim that Stalin did not believe

reports of Nazi troop movement nor

consider that uh moves why was the

Soviet Union completely taken off guard

for the first six months of operation

barbarous up because the even the

evidence for that claim is very flimsy

circle needlessly like Millions upon

millions of sovereign

were not necessarily prepared for the

unprecedented Nazi war tactics that were

deployed in operation Barbarossa they

should have but they should have been

they should have been because if they

were serious about combating the fascism

the Soviet Union had no history of going

toe-to-toe symmetrically with another

industrial power ever they had no they

had no the last time Russia was in a war

was World War One World War II vastly

differed from World War One in terms of

the tactics employed

um there was the russo-japanese war and

then there was the Russian Civil War

which was highly irregular

nature

they know that they know that Hitler is

planning a genocide a war to completely

subjugate full Slavs in Russia and yet

and yet they actually signed an

agreement with him

to buy time again true my argument is

that they were buying time but even if

we're talking if you if we accept your

argument that they're just bought in

time why do they why they're not

prepared when the initial Nazi rights

occur at the start of operation

Barbarossa

how could they have prepared

they they would have they would have

been on the wall footing it but instead

they weren't there were so many Air

Force was caught on the ground multiple

so many Soviet planes were destroyed on

the ground yes

initially the Soviets had a complete

Retreat from the Nazi Advance the

Blitzkrieg advance that much is

uncontested but you're claiming that's

because the Soviets did not understand

but this is the thing it's not like it

was an organized Retreat it was total

chaos the first months of the war it

didn't have to be so disruptive for the

Soviet Union it wouldn't have been if

they hadn't initially enabled the Soviet

Union to get right up to the Soviet

border this is one thing I never

understand

let me let me ask this right let me let

me ask this has right okay if they're

trying to forestall a Nazi war against

the Soviet Union why would they not want

Poland to remain as a neutral buffer

State why would they want it's not their

choice

Drew We're looping we're fucking looping

they can't control Hitler's willingness

to invade Poland

there's no guarantee there's no

guarantee first of all that Britain in

France are going to help the Soviet

Union even if they were gonna fucking

help them because Britain after all was

an Allied Power alongside the Soviets at

the time of operation Barbarossa

afterwards

they still had to Bear the brunt of that

fucking war and in 39 they were not

prepared for that

those two years were so fucking crucial

Drew so it just explained to me explain

to me if you want to forestall a Nazi

war of aggression again don't repeat the

same argument

Army right up to the border of the

Soviet Union because you're Lupine

you're fucking looping okay you're

looping it doesn't it doesn't make sense

sorry it doesn't make sense according to

a narrative because you actually

bringing you're not looking good you're

fucking looping

well you haven't you haven't provided a

satisfactory answer

because and this is this is the false

questions

are you referring to the fact that the

Soviets didn't immediately go to war

with the Germans after they did Poland

this is what this is what I'm saying

they were fine with Nazi expansionism

for two years prior to the German

invasion of the song you weren't fine

I didn't have a choice

they did have a choice

true they had what choice did they have

then we're back to square one they could

have said they could have said we're not

going to launch a joint invasion of

Poland with you and take the Nazi German

border right up so why do you think that

would have stopped Hitler tell me why

it wouldn't of course he still would

have invaded the Soviet Union eventually

but it wouldn't have happened the way

evidence

like if it's more lucrative logistically

speaking for Hitler to invade the Soviet

Union in 39 because the Soviet Union was

very severely under equipped compared to

41 at that time it's even more lucrative

for Hitler to take on the Soviet Union

in 39 even if the Soviet Union was in a

defensive alliance with Britain and

France even if they were it still would

have been better for Hitler to invade in

39. the Soviets were able to buy time

and they invited him 41 instead and it

was worse for Hitler to have invaded in

41 than would he have done it in 39.

it's it's just because because by then

the Soviet Union was equipped with

better Machinery more logistically just

more military equipment more tanks

if they're more everything that's

important

I'll explain why this whole um more

ammunition

I I have to explain why this argument's

relevant right because it's not just

it's not just a side thing the whole

point is that the Soviet Union

yes of course it brought the brunt of

Nazi aggression in World War II of

course but the but the way that Hitler

invaded in operation Barbarossa the

Soviet Union would have been better

prepared if they hadn't spent two years

like it's much worse you you think they

were doing for two years what do you

think they were doing you mentioned you

mentioned Chamberlain an appeasement

what they did with Nazi Germany was Mark

mummons a red line and when the Germans

crossed that red line they didn't

fucking appease them they went to war

with them

the the look in the end in the end

Britain and France gave a red line which

was the invasion of no Czech Slovakia

was the fucking Red Line

Britain and France joined the war when

Nazi Germany invaded Poland yeah after

after the Germans had already taken the

Germans had already marched through

Czechoslovakia

yes yes but the Soviet and the fucking

British did nothing

I I agree they should have stopped they

should have stopped the Czechoslovakia

Soviets wanted the Soviets wanted to

stop Hitler's Eastward expansion nobody

wanted to listen to them so what do you

want the Soviets to fucking do

not Ally with Nazi Germany for two years

so they could have Allied if they were

Allied the Soviet Union would have

joined the war as an Axis power they

didn't okay you're saying you're saying

that the concerned that France and

Britain wouldn't join the war against

Nazi Germany not only that even if

Brands even no no I'm sorry even if I'm

saying even if France and Britain did

join the war against Nazi Germany as we

saw from the second world war that did

happen the Soviet Union would still have

to bear the brunt of the Eastern Front

but yes yes and it's so weird it wasn't

prepared to do that at the time this is

the question though this is the question

when you're when you're wondering

whether the Soviet Union has this

glorious history of anti-nazism and when

you're wondering whether that that

history and tradition has has

transported itself through to the

Russian Federation of today just ask

what was the Soviet Union doing well the

Blitzkrieg raged over London and tens of

thousands of civilians

shut the fuck up I'm putting an end to

the fucking jibber jabber A or B

non-aggression pact or God of War

you have to you have to stop you have to

stop the Roid Rage is rotting away in

your brain A or B we're going to do this

we're going to introduce mathematical

variables because we're just looping

like a fucking robots

a non-aggression pact B go to war with

the Germans in 39 to defend London

I'm not saying I'm not saying they had

to go to war in 1939 but

it's a German ice cream over London the

Soviets were abiding their time has

while you're saying the Soviet Union

could not have intervened at that point

because they had no guarantees that

France and Britain would be at war with

Nazi Germany

in Finland come on I'm not saying that

there's so many different variables

first of all even if France and Britain

we're in a defensive pact with the

Soviet Union and did actively defend the

Soviet Union which the Soviet Union

needed

even if they did that which they didn't

because they rejected every fucking

Overture by the Soviet Union to enter

into a defensive Pact

several times throughout the 1930s by

the way several times but even if they

did do that it's still clear from how

World War II actually played out that

the Soviets would still have to bear the

brunt of the Eastern front and that they

wouldn't open up a second front

what did France do France completely my

three friends

so so it's it's clear in retrospect

Stalin was very wise

to not go to war with the Germans in 39.

but what I'm saying is

Hitler would not have invaded Poland in

1939 if he didn't if he knew that the

Soviet Union was just going then why did

Hitler invade in 41.

he invaded in 41 because he felt that

the balance of power was on his in his

on was in his favor

why because he was at war with Britain

yes and he thought that he could contain

Britain and invade Syrian look this is

so why couldn't he have done that in

39.39

okay because because okay it's very

simple why couldn't you have done that

in 39 and it makes no fucking sense

look it doesn't even look none of

Hitler's overall Nazi military plans

makes any sense really historians don't

even know the exactly you've considered

the argument

no I haven't I haven't because I used

Hitler's rationality as the basis of

your initial premise now you have to

consider that because you're no no

because your conclusion doesn't follow

the premise now you have to say Hitler

is just irrational

no no no let me explain

Hitler was always going to go to the

east I agree with you on that but would

he have gone as early as 39 If he if he

knew that the Soviet Union wasn't I

don't know why not give me since

Hitler's irrational he's just

arbitrarily making choices for no reason

can you tell me why you think that why

do you think that

I don't think he wouldn't have invaded

the Soviet Union okay

why did he invade Poland in 39 then

well I'm going to repeat the question

why do you think that Hitler would not

have invaded the Soviet Union in 39.

I don't know what why didn't why didn't

Hitler invade Paul why did Hitler choose

to invade Paul in 1939. we have to

remind you of geography so in order to

invade the Soviet Union you have to go

through Poland so Hitler's going east

he's going east why do you think he's

going to stop in Poland if the Soviet

Union is not making it clear they're

going to have a non-aggression pact with

a red line why do you think Hitler would

have stopped at Poland

well he stopped at Poland because he

concluded a pact with the Soviet Union

I'm going to ask you the question again

I'm gonna ask you the question again

Drew why do you think were it not let's

say there's no pact what makes you think

that Hitler would have stopped at Poland

this I I understand I understand that

this is this is one of those counter

factuals of History however

if if he knew that the Soviet Union

provided a potential third count of

Alien Force look he he looked at he

looked at the balance of forces right

and

Britain and France had said we will we

will go to war with Nazi Germany if

there is an invasion of Poland but for

some reason he felt secure in invading

Poland in 1939 why is that could it have

been sure so if Hillary what I'm saying

is true I just wanna I wanna explain

I want to explain to you the

irrationality of that point okay

if Hitler

was let me explain there's so much

facets of how that's stupid right the

first one is this you're gonna let me do

both of these the first point is this

if Hitler's scared the Soviet Union is

going to enter the ring

Why does Hitler invade the Soviet Union

in 41 when the Soviet Union was more

prepared and more powerful than it was

in 39 having a lot of the crucial

Machinery transferred over by the

Germans themselves that they did not

have in 39. clearly that wouldn't have

been a deterrent to Hitler in 39 that he

scared the Soviet unions are going to

throw their hat in the ring when he

invades them in 41. now the second

reason it's a stupid point is because

actually Hitler one way or another

needed the oil that was coming from the

Soviet Union he would have had to invade

the Soviet Union to sustain his Western

campaign and defeat the British he would

have no chance with Britain about that

oil so yeah you want to ask if he would

have taken away you want to ask if he

would have taken the risk and plunged

his sword through Poland and continuing

the plunging East to get the crucial

resources from the Soviet Union

necessary to face the Western Powers he

would have done it this was this was

Hitler's War plan right he would take

out Poland then swing East take out

France and Britain and then upon

defeating France and Britain that's when

he wanted to have his apocalyptic war

with Soviet Union so at best with your

eyes

but clearly with your own thing is at

best with your argument at best what

Stalin thinks it is well we'll let we'll

let people clearly he changed you you

just you just said something wrong

clearly he changed this plan

because in the middle of his war that

was not concluded he still invaded the

Soviet Union

yes because he concluded that he

couldn't take out Britain alone

dude

invaded the Soviet Union he can't take

Britain alone so he's going to take both

Britain and no no no sorry sorry let me

rephrase that let me rephrase it this is

his this is his warm right his War aim

is occupied polar then Swing West and

occupy France and then take out Britain

he came very closely doing that he then

concluded that he couldn't defeat

Britain so he thought okay I'll keep

them I'll keep them quarantined from the

rest of the continent and we'll go eat

so this is what Hitler this is what

Hitler ultimately did in World War II

and what I'm saying is at best at best

what you're describing it makes no sense

it makes no sense even if we what what

makes no sense why if he can't defeat

Britain why would he divert his forces

East and not you know continue to fight

Britain to defeat Britain we don't know

because in his head in his head in his

fucking inside her head he had this

dream of the apocalyptic race war on the

Eastern Front dude you're not you can't

you can't you can't you can't okay so if

you're saying Hitler's an irrational

person you can't say oh here's the

rational reason Hitler wouldn't have

invaded the Soviet Union in 39.

he still would have he still would have

invaded the Soviet Union but I'm just

saying

you're presenting to me I'm saying at

best with the scenario you're presenting

to me that the Soviet Union even if

we're dismissing what the Soviet Union

did inside Poland inside the baltics

when it actually occupied these

countries planning for decades-long

occupations even if we put that all to

aside which is a massive point and

you're asking me to not even go into

that we pushed that to the side you're

saying basically what Nazi Germany was

happy with was

what what the Soviet Union was happy

with was allow Nazi Germany to go to war

with both with both Poland the

alternative being going toward

themselves

the alternative being the Soviet Union

they know ultimately they ultimately

know Hitler's going to go for the East

because this is his apocalyptic Vision

yeah but they're allowed they're happy

with Europe being consumed inflamed and

millions of Jews being killed the

difference in the very true

again we're lupient the variable here is

time 39 the Soviet Union was not

prepared to fight the Nazis

no one was no one wasn't 39.

but the celebrity was especially not

prepared

even Britain and France was no no we're

not ready okay well the Soviet Union is

concerned with its own interests to

defend its itself Britain conspired

France conspired to destroy the Soviet

Union from its Inception by invading the

Soviet by invading Russia during the

Russian Civil War so the Soviets why

should why is the government of Britain

and France the Soviets responsibility to

defend

when they can barely defend themselves

I'm

that is that is a

that is a false binary that has because

I'm not saying that the Soviet Union's

responsibility was to defend the

government sort of Britain and France

what I'm saying is if the Soviet Union

rationally knows that Hitler's ultimate

aim is an apocalyptic race war against

itself against in across all of Eastern

Europe and know it's coming then why do

they spend the two years giving massive

amounts of fuel yes I'm going to explain

it to you

drew I'm going to explain to you I have

to say one thing you have to

it doesn't make sense because if the

Soviet Union was not prepared in 1939

what makes it think that they will be

better prepared in 1941 when Nazi

Germany is actually stronger because at

that point it's occupying all of you

there's no there is no

um indication or guarantee the Nazis

would have stronger one

there's no guarantee of that but even if

I grant you my guarantee

shut the fuck up shut the fuck up even

if I were to grant you that the Nazis

would have inevitably been stronger in

41 the difference is this it's risk the

Soviet Union is almost certain it cannot

win in 39. they have a chance if they

buy time they have a chance they don't

have a chance if they fight in 39 and

the reason for that and We're looping is

because as the events of World War II

actually proved the Soviets knew they

were going to have to face the brunt of

the Nazi war machine and they were not

prepared to do that and then there's

another another variable you're

conveniently brushing to the side here

which is really convenient you're

ignoring because it's actually not true

that Hitler commenced Operation

Barbarossa because he's an irrational

madman Hitler believed and honestly this

belief was well grounded and it was a

belief or at least a suspicion the

Soviets also shared that if he were to

have battered down the English into

submission there was a chance that the

already existing pro-nazi elements

ruling England among the English ruling

class among their nobility and

aristocracy and their you know their

bloodline ruling families and their

royal family where there was pro-nazi

sympathies that existed right there was

a chance that if Hitler just directs all

of his attention to the Soviets hey

maybe the Western powers like Britain

will just be like you know what yeah

let's just take on the Soviets and

Destroy them we'll join you Hitler we'll

join you and that's not ultimately what

happened as we know that's also you know

what happened as we know no I know I

know but that's suspicion but given the

fact that there were a lot of sympathies

for Hitler and the Nazis among the

English ruling class the suspicion was

at least well grounded and it was well

grounded enough to actually be the

reason why Hitler invades the Soviets in

41. look in the end at the end of the

day if it's if it's if it's well

grounded enough to like enable Hitler to

do this thing of we're going to invade

the Soviets in 41. you don't think the

Soviet Union was also entertaining that

possibility of course they were and even

if you they're saying oh they they

shouldn't have believed it was

guaranteed to happen they didn't it's

just why

like put yourself in their shoes why

would they take that risk how could they

take thrust that risk upon themselves

that they will have to take on both the

Germans and the fucking uh British and

the French I mean it's a nightmare

scenario and it's a scenario that

actually happened in recent memory when

all of both the axis and allied powers

of World War One besides turkey I think

actually did invade Russia after the

October Revolution it actually happened

before

yes yes however

this is this is my point and maybe we

need to move on but my point is this

none of their actions for that two years

were consistent with the idea that

they're building up their forces that

they're actually preparing for a massive

war okay you've constantly made that

claim but you have not made auditions to

substantially well I have made arguments

I've tried to give you many arguments

I've said I've said they deported the

populations involved I have responded to

all of your arguments Drew every unless

you're gonna make a new argument here

every argument you made I have responded

to do you have a new argument oh no no

not really because you just say oh well

the YouTube terms and conditions I can't

respond to that argument dude what do

you want to bring up

I'm saying it doesn't make sense that

the not that the Soviet Union was simply

you know conducting a defensive

operation okay if you wanted to talk

about the deportations that happened

after the deportations

okay okay

I'm going to

uh hold that I'm going to put that into

the folder of the argument I already

made about the political repression that

was necessary for the Soviet Union to

maintain military logistical Supremacy

but but in fact the repression didn't

actually help the Soviet Union because

at many stages like through the 30s they

were weakening their military capacity

with these ridiculous purpose like as we

all know so hold on hold on dude a

million things at once first you're

talking about the deportations of

nationalities that happens after the

market

but now you're pivoting now you're

pivoting no no

I'm not pivoting Drew you're now

pivoting it off Drew you're now pivoting

to the great purges that happen in 36

38.

the great Bridges let's talk about it's

a new argument sure the great purges

you you bracketed off the deportations

under the head just the broader heading

of just repression and I'm saying and

you're saying it was necessary the

repression was necessary yes it might

have been about the repression was

necessary so that they could uphold

their military logistical Supremacy and

I'm saying well okay normally is the

repression morally wrong so secondly it

didn't actually help the Soviet Union's

military because why it didn't help them

because the 30s they were destroying

their military capacity shut up for a

second I'm literally trying to address

this and you keep interrupting me you

are saying something stupid right now

you're saying that your argument has

that their political repression I'm not

condoning it by the way because it's not

allowed on YouTube I would never condone

but you're saying that repression didn't

actually Aid in their military

logistical Supremacy because two years

earlier they purged their military

during the Great purges you see how

that's like an incoherent argument and a

does not B does not follow from a here

you see how you're not actually making a

coherent lot there's no logical

structure to this argument you want to

talk about the question whether the

great purged harmed or helped the Soviet

Union's uh military abilities it's a

separate argument as to the question of

whether or not a year or two later the

political repressions were necessary for

the Soviet Union to maintain a hold on

the territories gained after the malta

ribbon trough Pact

sorry Meg just just say that very

quickly again say it again

The Logical structure of your argument

is incoherent because you're saying okay

you're wrong that the political

repressions were necessary for its

military logistical Supremacy the reason

you're wrong is because the Soviet Union

had internal great purges that had

nothing to do with those repressions two

years earlier how does that follow

I'm I'm saying I'm saying okay even if

we push the morality to the side because

you know how many just you know

card-carrying comments were purged for

no reason during these ridiculous

stalins if you want to talk about the

great purges now I'm fine doing that but

you're just pivoting exactly no I'm not

pivoting you're talking about the

molotov ribbon trial pact and you want

to talk about something that happened

earlier

I have to explain why we're going

backwards you you say you say

I can't talk about the deportation can't

talk about cancer medicine because I'm

gonna get banned from YouTube okay we

just we just I can broadly talk about

them I just can't okay okay anyway

the problem is yeah what so you do

condone it no I'm not allowed to under

YouTube's terms of service so I can just

neutrally describe what the Soviet Union

was doing

okay but in your heart of hearts you can

like just true true I know you're a

pussy and you're like trying to get me

banned and censorship is your own I'm

not trying to get your bed what the fuck

so why are you asking me if I condone it

or not I I it's irrelevance

no that's crucial to the argument is

my whole argument is the that the Soviet

Union Allied itself with Nazi Germany

and it was fine with upholding Nazi

whether or not I condone whether or not

but whether or not I condone the

repressions that I've argued were

according from the Soviets perspective

necessary for them to maintain a hold on

okay okay that's not relevant to the

question of whether they were Allied to

the Germans or not it's immaterial how

does that prove they were Allied to the

Germans fucking helmet the Roid Rage I'm

just saying okay I'm just saying how to

fuck's sake yeah so is saying fat it's

fat Ray you're the one

you're you're pushing you're pushing the

Deadpool to the side you're sweating

fuck me you can't even talk without

fucking having aneurysms you're having

aneurysm and you're having obesity

diabetes sweats so let's just uh not get

into the add-ons

Harry Harry

I'm bulking my friend I'm bulking hey

get your point the beautiful thing about

bulking season Harry the beautiful thing

about bowling season though I can always

shred at the end of the day I can just

always had a few killers at the end of

the day I'm not gonna have the same

schizophrenic facts for five years I'm

actually I'm actually coming out ahead

of you I'm about to come out ahead of

you in the end of the day but all I'm

saying you're pushing the deportation to

the side you're saying it's coming out

at a broader category of repression

of repression okay Drew Drew no no sure

let's talk about Klaus bits so war is an

extension of politics it's just simple

war is an extension of politics so why

would these repressions have occurred if

not for the fact that the Soviet Union

is trying to assert political Supremacy

which is ultimately military Supremacy

what other reason for the repressions or

deportations is there that in your mind

are an indictment on the Soviet Union

being an ally of the Germans

because they wanted to commit cultural

genocide in Poland they wanted to commit

cultural genocide in their bowl dude you

know what even even

if I this is what they do true if you

eliminate the cultural leaders If you

eliminate the political leaders If you

eliminate the officers in the military

okay what they couldn't do this

and subordinate them they wanted to

recreate the same borders of the 1918

Russian Empire okay Drew

that's a whole lot of jibber jabber and

even if I got into a separate argument

with you entertaining that because

you're pivoting to something different

now but even if I were to have conceded

all of those things to you which I'm not

by the way

that still does not indict the Soviet

Union as being an ally of the Nazis the

reason is is because the Soviet Union

can have its own reasons for doing that

to let's say let's say I'm an

anti-common true I'll be like you right

now I'll be like you let's say

true sorry for a second Drew you all

want to have to say dude just shut up

for a second all you'd have to be like

is like yeah the Soviet Union did a

cultural genocide and they you know all

these people it was the worst monsters

in the world because the Soviets wanted

to increase their own power but where do

we get from this that this is because

they're allies with the Germans what

does it have to do with being allies of

the Nazis there's actually read Timothy

Slaughter's books the bloodlands read

them you'll see that the Nazi Germans

books read grow refer why don't you read

Grover first read some books why would I

read a book why would I read a book why

would I read a book

actually the Nazis were actually

admiring the Soviet efficiency in

deportations they were admiring that

during that two-year period where they

were fucking hours

true true hold on Drew you know what

it's so stupid it's so stupid first of

all Timothy Snyder's bloodlands was

destroyed and refuted by Grover fur in

his book bloodlines

even if it's true that the Nazis learned

the methods of deportation

it's extremely generous that I'm telling

you that because you're just saying oh

vaguely they were inspired but even if I

were to grant you that they learned the

Soviets methods in terms of Deport

deporting people that doesn't mean they

were for the same reasons the so the

Nazis were deporting people because they

had this doctrine of racial Supremacy

and sub-humans that they need to enslave

whereas the Soviets whereas the Soviets

are just supporting people because they

consider them class enemies or enemies

of the state so it's a completely

different reason and that's being

extremely generous with the concession

that what you're saying is true and it's

not true it's like let's read let's read

let's read Grover first Wikipedia he's

an American Professor medieval English

literature no no I'm gonna cut you off

I'm going to cut you offer

right I'm gonna cut you off

we are saying Drew I don't I don't know

if you thought I was vosh or something

as if I'm going to entertain Wikipedia

as a scholarly or somehow credible

source that would be material to a

debate

you should actually just read

his book Blood lies

taking down Timothy Snyder's claims

so he's a medieval English scholar

correct

so what is it what is his expertise in

Eastern Europe so this is actually a

logical fallacy and it's an argument

about the person's credentials

I'm just saying Timothy speaks like 15

languages he did archival work in

Eastern Europe did but Timothy Snyder

Timothy Snyder can't account for all the

inconsistencies you're kissing me of

being bad and you're talking about

logical fallacies here yeah well logical

fallacies are real and you're committing

them right now what about Grover's

arguments that he made in blood lies so

I I just I just can't even ask if the

person you're quoting is fucking stupid

he's definitely not stupid Grover fur is

someone who goes to the meat and

potatoes and he consults all of the

primary sources that are in the

footnotes of people like Timothy

Snyder's books he goes to the footnotes

goes to the primary and from the yes

from the primary source Grover fur draws

the question of whether the conclusion

drawn by by these historians can be

justified and grow refers it's nice here

that sites here that he reckons the Nazi

SS

what's his argument for that what's the

evidence for that because all the

evidence you can you can actually uh

read what he has to say about that

you can read about the activities you

can read about the activities of the uh

post-communist polish government

their questions they're questions that

you haven't answered as to as this for

example like

did did the Soviet Union arm itself more

in two years than Nazi Germany did

interviews so this this is a calculation

did Stalin make this calculation

repaired no it's not like this way the

Soviet Union not in Germany sweeping all

across Europe

the Soviet Union armed itself to the

furthest extent of its ability

okay is the Soviet Union industry just

explain to me just explain to me though

did the did Nazi Germany not strengthen

itself in two years by occupying all of

Continental Europe effectively so how

would they know they may have they may

have drew they may have but it's

immaterial to the point that the Soviets

were certain in 39 they had no chance

whereas if they bought time

because at at this point

because the Soviets were not as equipped

they were not as industrially developed

they didn't have the crucial Machinery

transfers from the Germans that were

actually crucial for them there was a

whole host of reasons why they were not

prepared and they were just coming out

of a purge political Purge by the way

they were reforming their military in

the middle of it there was a lot of

reasons they weren't ready

yes but but I'm just saying you know

Nazi Germany is going to be fighting on

three fronts if if the Soviet Union had

said we're going to and we're going to

fight against you if you invade Poland

they would be fighting France Britain

and this and the Soviet Union on 3K Drew

again to something

about economics the sort the whole

German economy is based

on Russian oil the military industrial

complex the whole German economy

even if they couldn't have they needed

to they needed to expand Eastward or the

German economy was going to collapse

they had to

that's how Germany got itself out of the

Great Depression was through the arms

industry the War Industry and they had

to make do on their investment right

had they not done that the ruling class

of Germany

would have collapsed the whole economy

would have collapsed it would have been

right where they started in the Great

Recession yeah exactly so why doesn't

the so why don't the Russians impose a

massive caught on sanitaire on Nazi

Germany no trade no no oil transports no

gas transports why don't they just cut

them off because then it's a war of life

or death and it's a war of annihilation

right that's what happened in the end

that's what happened in the end yeah and

the differences We're looping holy fuck

We're looping but the difference is the

Soviets was better prepared in 41. holy

fuck the difference is in 41 the Soviets

were actually prepared and had a chance

they literally were not more prepared in

41. as the evidence by the first six

months of Barbarossa okay okay Soviet

tank production 39 versus 41.

it they still were not prepared in 1939

the first six months you're right they

were not prepared in 39.

Germany they like the Nazi Germany took

millions of Soviet prisoners if if the

Soviet Union really was arming itself

and defending and preparing for an

all-out war with Nazi Germany why that

first six years because it's industrial

bases we're to the Far East okay the

Baku oil fields were maintained even

when all Ukraine was occupied and even

when the Germans came from Moscow when

they got that far the Soviets still had

a strong had a uh a hold over their

actual industrial production that was

necessary for them to win the war

okay then it was still manufacturing

tanks and equipment and arms at a rapid

Pace to the east

then I'm asking you why was the Soviet

Union such a absolute bastard case in

the first month of the world

if all the industrial production was

safe was please and they'd spent two

years preparing and they knew that Nazi

Germany was going to launch this

genocide a war of map of genocidal scope

all across the Soviet Union why were

they just utterly shocked for the first

six months of the war could it has been

the best because the Germans actually

yeah I'll explain to you I'll explain

you the Germans because the Germans

couldn't take Moscow

after 41 whereas they would have been

able to take Moscow in 39.

why well I don't think that's

necessarily true there's no there's no

unless you're a war planner how could

the Soviets have repelled the German

blitzkrieg

immediately

39 they would have been amazing

at the Germans

who have made temporary Drew it's pretty

much inevitable that the Germans were

going to make territorial gains the

question is it was the Soviet state

going to survive and be able to have a

base of operations with which to regain

those territories because in 39 there

was no chance for it to survive

no chance but they but they would have

been fighting okay this is what you said

before you said dude even if there

wouldn't they wouldn't have been

fighting on two fronts because they

weren't fighting on two fronts and third

and 41. there was one Eastern Front

there wasn't a western front holy fuck

but there would have been the Western

Front of 1939

rolled over the fucking French just

surrendered right away

dude why didn't Britain open up a

western front after 41.

there would have been a western front if

the Soviet Union I don't know why didn't

they open one during the actual fucking

Second World War

they did open the whistle front in the

eggs

by the time the fucking Russians are in

Berlin what a stupid thing to say by the

time the fucking Russians are about to

take Berlin yeah they opened the Western

Front after all the fighting is over

what are you talking about

Harry this is dumb because to this right

if the Soviet Union had intervened in

1939 to stop the invasion of Poland

France and Britain would have been

fighting evidence based on what evidence

they refused of the fucking defenses

dude you're looping you're looping

you're looping my argument is they

refused defensive packs with the fucking

Soviet Union holy fuck even during World

War II they wouldn't open a fucking

Western Front what fucking indication is

there that there wouldn't have been this

wouldn't have fucking happened if the

Soviets threw their ring in what fucking

evidence do you have based on what why

are you making this claim where are you

fucking getting it from what is in

Australia that you're getting this

fucking claim from you got fucking

kangaroo pouches you're getting this

shit from that I can't fucking see where

are you getting this fucking clue

you're actually you're actually just

I think you're actually dumb man because

do you realize that France and the UK

were fighting Nazi Germany in 1939

France no France Got rolled over in like

a week they didn't stand a chance you're

saying France would have fought better

if the Soviet Union was there from the

beginning okay dude dude well then then

that begs the question then why didn't

France join a fucking self-defense pact

with the Soviets why do they continue to

reject overtures by the Soviet Union to

do that

this is what you don't understand this

is this is just what you're not

countenancing in your brain and I don't

understand I don't understand because

the reason you're about to say address

is the argument I hope what you're about

to say address is the argument the

reason why Nazi Germany was able to

overwhelm France in like one week was

because they launched this massive Blick

screen across across Belgium across

across the Netherlands and Belgium they

were able to loop around French defenses

now the Germans were able to concentrate

their forces in a way that completely

overwhelmed France my point have been

able to overwhelm their forces

based on what Drew based on what based

on what

How would how would Nazi Germany have

been able to concentrate its forces to

the extent of completely encircling the

French and destroying the Middle East

the Germans didn't need to throw

everything they had to take France they

just needed their rapid Blitzkrieg

tactics to fucking roll over France it

didn't require them and but by the way

this happened in a very short amount of

time so they could have actually taken

their forces afterwards and just

confronted the Soviets but even if I

were to Grant you this little argument I

grant you it is a new argument you're

making

even if I were to Grant you this

argument which I don't it begs the

question why what guarantee does the

Soviet Union have that France is going

to help the Soviet Union when France

rejected a self-defense pact with the

Soviet Union not once but multiple times

before why would the Soviets take the

risk of the French not just capitulating

to the Germans as they actually did by

the way and teaming up with them against

the Soviets you see the problem there's

a lack of trust there's a lack of trust

there's a lack of certainty and there's

a lack there's a lack of an ability to

properly calculate the risk so you can't

take the risk right

yeah I I understand that there's a lack

of troughs maybe that lack of trust is

even valid but what I'm saying is this

if this if Nazi Germany was fighting

against both Poland and the Soviet Union

on the Eastern Front

would they have been able to also

somehow get together all of its take

divisions and encircle all the French

and the British in the west at the exact

same time no there would be a

three-front war so yeah

the war happened the war with Britain

was mostly an aerial War if you didn't

know that there is a war in North Africa

afterwards do you know about Dunkirk do

you know about Dunkirk

inside France and they had to be yeah

I'm aware I'm aware

but the Germans very quickly repelled

that and they confined Britain to the

island of Britain the British Isles okay

so it didn't really take

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it

let me explain to you the logic of your

argument according to your logic then

when Hitler did divert his forces to the

Soviet Union France should have easily

been able degal should have easily been

able the British should have easily been

able to just open up a western front and

defeat Hitler for once in a while

at that point Nazi Germany occupied all

of Europe what I'm saying is if Soviet

Union what was the difference what

specifically was wait wait but what was

the difference though because because a

huge portion of the Nazi military

according to you right now has to be

diverted that was a huge portion of the

military that was crucial for taking

Western Europe now has to be diverted to

the Soviets isn't this Britain's

opportunity to come take the clutch and

fuck over I mean that's actually what

Stalin wanted by the way the problem is

this is the problem the problem is the

problem is this is Dre Drew this is

actually something Stalin wanted he

wanted a second front to be opened up

the British said and there would have

been a second front in 1939 why wasn't

there a second time why wasn't there a

second front

during the actual fucking war that

happened

because they would have been the second

front if the Soviet Union rather than

allying itself with nothing Germany 1939

had helped to stop the fight against

Poland I'm gonna ignore these uh these

these claims you're making about uh we

already went through that argument of

Ally because they didn't but Drew

during the actual War there was no

second front what makes you think in 39

there was going to be a second front

because that is what happened in history

in history

fucking happen it didn't happen and he

actually we are dude what history holy

foreign

Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939

correct

yeah true yeah yes yeah and then the

Soviets also invaded Poland in 1939 is

it not according to international law no

right

Hitler's entire War aim was um one of

the major major elements of this war

strategy was to avoid being um was to

avoid fighting on two fronts you're all

conceding that Stalin desperately wanted

a second front Okay well one of the ways

that he was able to avoid a two-fund war

was by citing the molotov ribbon truck

pack we put Soviet Union into neutral

territory it allowed me oh no dude

dude what about the time that Britain

and France said no to a fucking

defensive pact military pact with the

Soviets

if the Soviets wanted to count on a

two-front war where they have Britain

and France as their allies what they

would have rationally done and say hey

Britain and France want to join a

self-defense Pact

I I wonder why they didn't do that Drew

Drew or croaking my I have to talk like

you now so you can fucking understand

this because you haven't responded to

this

arguments

true hold on Drew Drew they did do that

Drew and the Western Powers rejected

their offers Drew they rejected their

offers Drew can you understand me now

when I tell you that so why are the

Soviet unions going to rely on the dream

of a second front when in fact there's

no indication that Britain and France

are going to be allies of the Soviet

Union at the time in 31. the Soviets

have no guarantee or indication that's

going to be the case in 39 because they

actually try to get into a military

defensive pact with those countries

which they similarly rejected several

times throughout history Drew with a

kangaroos up in Australia are they

hopping too loud for you

Harry Harry I've got a question for you

I've got a question just answer it if

you can on what date did France and

Britain declare war on Nazi Germany just

fucking answer it September 1939 am I

correct yeah so there would have been a

two-front war you fucking idiots

based on what

because France and Britain declared war

or not because okay in September 1939

Drew Drew I know they were at war with

the Nazis but had the Germans

simultaneously gone to war with the

Soviets what assurances does the Soviet

Union have that France and Britain are

going to be competent military partners

and political allies when they rejected

self-defense packs with the Soviet Union

well I'm not sure I'm not denying I'm

not denying the fact that France and

Britain signed self-defense pacts with

Poland that did happen but they rejected

said pact with the Soviet Union so you

see the problem hurry tell me okay if

you're if you're Stalin

would you prefer to fight Nazi Germany

its borders pre the invasion of Holland

or would you prefer to fight Nazi

Germany

Drew I have to explain to you what

happened because you don't understand

what you don't understand you actually

don't understand

I have to explain it to you so

the French

never stood a chance

against the Germans whether there was

two fronts or one front and the reason

was because France's ground forces were

no match for the German Blitzkrieg

strategy they were not prepared for it

French military Doctrine was extremely

backward they were totally fucked when

it comes to anything logistically they

had no chance the reason the British

were able to resist the Germans because

of the royal Air Force

not because the British were going

toe-to-toe with the Nazis in a ground

war ground war the Germans had an

immense advantage over both France and

Britain but the so the the war the

Soviets were going to have to engage

with the Germans in was a ground war

primarily a ground war okay

so

just basically just speaking

pragmatically

even if there's two fronts at that time

there's no guarantee as far as the

Soviet Union's concerned because it's

still going to have to bear the brunt of

the ground war now in 41 when the Soviet

Union was far more prepared would it

have easen the burden if there was a

second front opened up yeah it would

have right but that's only when you take

into consideration that the Soviets were

also more prepared than they were in 39.

so that's just an addition as we saw

through from history the Soviets

actually were able to sustain

a one-front war with the Germans that's

the outcome of actual history we saw a

ground war would have just sorry a

two-front war would have just made that

quicker it's not necessarily that a

two-front war would have made the

Soviets win

no it just would have made the war go on

for less time and the Soviets would have

sustained less losses whereas in 1939

whether there was a two-front war or a

one-front war the Soviets were not able

to face the Germans at the time

just doesn't make sense at the end no it

makes perfect sense it makes perfect

sense because the the amount of friends

the amount of fronts on the war is not

an indication of whether

the story

it's not true it's Drew it's not a video

game the problem with the Nazis wasn't

necessarily if they didn't have enough

soldiers or even equipment to take on

the Soviets it's that the Soviet

military Doctrine and the Soviet

equipment and resources was enough to go

toe-to-toe with the German Army okay

that's that's what counts if you can't

go toe-to-toe in a symmetrical and

asymmetrical or with the Germans it

doesn't matter how many fronts there are

you can't go Toe to Toe with the German

Army okay now the thing is France would

have not

really made a difference even in 39

because France couldn't sustain a real

ground war

with the Germans

I know there was the phony war in 1930.

the reason the reason the French lost to

Nazi Germany

wasn't because the Germans um had too

much supplies and too much arms is

because German military Doctrine was far

outclassed the French

just period the Germans were better at

waging ground war period it wasn't

because

uh oh the Germans were focused on this

over time that's not the reason

I don't know we could we can have this

fucking thing for five more hours I see

the description on YouTube's video Drew

Palace John is biggest hater he's played

a large role in spreading malicious

hotline slander about China

the debate went where you wanted to take

it

we started out with Dario you wanted to

Pivot to uh

the molotov ribbon shop packed so I I I

I'm trying to explain of your voice that

you want to go to another topic now

fuck mate like

you you haven't addressed any of the

points you don't explain anything it's

been two hours going on about the multi

ribbon truck packed like fuck why don't

we just start talking about China or the

other topics I mean how much longer

does it you're acting like I'm I'm

conceding defeat Etc like I'm asserting

that you're a conceding defeat I'm

asserting yeah it's asserting because

it's a fucking lie do do your listeners

want to listen to five more hours or

more of living clearly

I make cogent points and you don't

fucking address them yeah that's what

you're telling yourself it doesn't

reflect the record or the facts look we

can keep I can talk about the molotov

ribbon shot packed all day or we can

talk about something so make whatever

argument you want

let's talk about China

fuck well you're the one accusing me of

launching lies about China so you can

make you explain that explain how to lie

what I lie about China what's the LIE oh

let's begin if you're you've lied and

called China a fascist State China I am

going to get a water I am going to get a

water once again

we have been yelling at each other for

two hours three I'm gonna get one on I

don't need one

oh wow

fucking talk right well

the roid's in the system gonya

no you've got Krispy Kreme in the system

so you want to keep going what do you

say sorry

I just called you a fat fuck

oh okay Dearborn Michigan fuck

screw Drew

you want to talk about Dearborn Michigan

I'll talk about Cyprus

hurry hurry okay when I finish my ball I

can trip but at the same time you can't

so are you actually serious about this

it looks like you're just like some fat

fuck who's claiming you're gonna fucking

you're bulking is that a joke I'm just

saying hurry hurry I can I can shred

those few Killers but the brain worms

that course through your skull are still

going to be there at the end of the day

so I actually believe that I'm in the

fucking winning section here and and I

would not pay my life dude you can talk

about brains and all this stuff you want

I mean Cyprus will never be Greek

territory uh ever you could never count

on that Istanbul will never be belong to

the fake state of Greece and you want to

keep talking I'll talk about tangible

things if you want

look I'm not gonna fucking I'm not going

to have this big magali plan fucking

Greek iridentious discussion with you

let's talk about China yeah

so

um

you want to claim few things about China

you claim that China is a fascist state

but more importantly yeah more seriously

you're claiming that China is engaging

in genocide that China is an aggressive

country toward Australia and toward the

west these are the claims I want to go

through without you to substantiate

okay thanks how's this genocide

beginning how let's discuss the weaker

gem sign okay

2017 the concentration camps get built

up more than one million people are

rounded up they're they're targeted

because they are Muslim turkic minority

group the Chinese government wants to

promote a vision of a Han ethno State a

world a China where all all ethnic

minorities are subservient to the Han

big brother and so it's this it's this

new colonialist language I mean you can

even look at the term I've already I've

already jotted down like several claims

do you want to keep going or for example

for example what is the region tell me

the name of the region that the uyghurs

live in xinjiang

yes do you know what that means in

Chinese

uh I think it's eastern region or

something

well outside

I don't remember but it means new

Borderlands it means New Frontier it's

literally a colonial term and so you can

actually look in even just in the

terminology what how do they describe it

Tibet the term in Chinese is Western

Treasure House how do they describe

xinjiang New Frontier new Borderland are

these new Borderlands

We're not gonna do this thing where

you're gonna make thousands of claims

and then I'm gonna have to unpack all of

them in two hours Let's Go Claim by

claim okay

let's start backwards let's work

backwards based on all the claims you

have already made the first the last

claim I heard you make was that China is

a colonial power how could China be a

colonial power when xinjiang has always

been a tributory territory of the

Chinese

it's just straight up fucking false it

has not been a tributory territory of

China for thousands of years in fact it

was actually ended independent as late

as the years directly after World War II

so there was an independence the reason

no there was no independence of

turkistan except during the warlord

years

Drew Drew Drew in the 20th century

in the 20th century

in the 20th century

20th century

China was divided

there is a tangible civilizational

territory and a block called China

it was divided

part of that division was also East

turkistan which was under the influence

of pan-turkic and pan-islamic

ideas that doesn't negate the thousands

of years in which xinjiang literally was

not thousands of years though it

literally was not thousands of years it

came under it came under the rule of the

Qing Dynasty so the qingdon was the

dynasty that was responsible that's not

true that's actually not true it's

fucking fact it was Pride for that China

did not control the Ming Dynasty did not

control it

China China's method of uh all Chinese

dynasties and Empires never directly

controlled they were never that

centralized but it was always it always

did have to pay tribute to the Chinese

emperor

yes but but my point is it came under

the control of the Qing Dynasty

so what do you what do you mean

so you're saying that there was always

this tangible civilizational State

called China well that's not actually

true because the concept of China as a

single nation say is a new one prior to

that they were dying concept of Nations

I'm not calling China a nation state

China doesn't consider itself a

nation-state a nation-state is what

happens after the French Revolution

which is monoethnic and monocultural and

so on China is a civilization state

which has what a hundred over a hundred

minorities or so I forget the exact

number

uh that was nice recognizing at least

dozens of different languages grants

autonomy to like an equal amount it's

not it's fake autonomy so in the Chinese

people think about it

okay I can just talk about the Tibetan

example for example in Tibet you know so

half of Tibet does not actually come

under the term autonomous zone of Tibet

so historically half of the Tibetan

wreath half of the areas under which

Tibetan culture were the dominant were

dominant half of the Tibetan cultural

areas inside China were broken off into

the territories into the of joining

provinces of Sichuan Etc the Tibetan

autonomous region that they'd refer to

as as an autonomous region I mean that

is just a rump of what was traditionally

the area under which Tibetan culture was

was is dominant so for example if you go

to Sichuan and you go into the mountains

mountains of Sichuan like did you know

for example the Dalai Lama he was not

born in the area that is known as the

Tibetan autonomous region he was born in

an area that would actually come undo

under I believe it is Sichuan so so half

of Tibet for example is not even

underneath

um is not even under it's not even

reflected as an autonomous Zone inside

China

what

time period is this again you're talking

about I kind of lost you in the middle

of your Jibber Jabber

well I'm talking I'm talking just about

even just under the People's Republic of

China so since 1949 half of the half of

the areas that are ethnically and

culturally Tibetan do not come under the

under the head of the Tibetan autonomous

region that you'd be referring to as the

autonomous region Zone half of it half

of it was was cut up and given to

Sichuan adjoining provinces and so for

example the area in which yeah you're

you're referring to the fractured state

of China after the uh warlord era and

yes what I'm what I'm talking to you

right now the people's Liberation Army

reunified China yes

what I'm saying right now Harry you you

were talking you were saying you know

China has 100 ethnicities they all have

these autonomous zones and I said

they're not autonomous and you said

what's not a Thomas about them and I

started explaining well if you just

start with the Tibetan free the Tibetan

region for example half the Tibetan

cultural ethnic territory is not under

the autonomous region it's actually

split up into adjoining territories and

then even within the Tibetan okay okay

so it doesn't have the same uh

ethnic autonomy you're saying as uh as

the others I mean no I mean what are you

saying well so so half of according to

you so according to half of Tibet is an

autonomous Zone and the other half is

just well what okay according to the

Chinese Constitution half of it is an

autonomous sign even if we're talking

about the area that is affected that is

officially referred to as an automa Zone

yeah there's nothing all to us about it

so the entire region

you pivoted from uh

you pivoted from it not being autonomous

because half of it is not formally under

the name of the autonomous there's two

reasons why it's normal Thomas I'm

trying to explain to you there are two

reasons why I solve opponents firstly

half of the Tibetan territory it does

not even come under the banner of the

Tibetan autonomous region okay and then

secondly so in the half that is not part

of the Tibetan autonomous reason could

you think of a reason why it's not part

of the autonomous region

well they wanted to they wanted to

dilute what about ethnicity what

ethnicity is kind of more historically

native to how that half of Tibet

Tibet has always been Tibetan for like a

thousand what about the Formosa

subculture or whatever you call it what

about that

what are you talking about right now

Formosa culture

I

are you bring to the traditional term

under which Taiwan is called like

Formosa the province of Formosa I don't

know what you're talking about

uh

no I'm referring to indigenous Taiwan

what about Taiwan let's fuck what we're

talking about Tibet what about weren't

you just talking about Taiwan

we're talking about Tibet the whole time

okay never mind never mind continue well

well if we're just talking about Tibet

you're saying all the ethnic minorities

inside China have this autonomous live

under autonomous regions Etc you're

saying you're saying half of Tibet and

the other half it belongs to what

so half of Tibet is inside the Tibetan

autonomous region which is the official

name of the territory but it's actually

just autonomous it is autonomous in name

only because it is effectively just

administered from Beijing and it is

administered by CCP cadres if it doesn't

if it doesn't matter

that half of it is part of the

autonomous Zone then why isn't all of it

within the autonomous Zone what is

material about pointing to the fact that

half of it is doesn't belong to the

autonomous Zone

well I mean China puts out the Fig leaf

that is that these regions are

autonomous but one of the ways that they

can dilute that is by literally cleaving

off massive parts of the traditional

territorial Tibet and just indexing how

does that dilute it

well like for example the area in which

the Dalai Lama was literally born like

is not considered Tibetan according to

the Chinese government according to the

Chinese government it comes under

official Chinese territory

so what I'm saying is hold on it's all

official Chinese territory so you need

to be more specific

okay no what I'm what I'm referring to

Harry

you you were talking about the fact that

all these ethnic groups in China have

autonomous autonomy

the fact that uh the borders of the

Tibet autonomous region don't satisfy

what you consider to be all of Tibetan

territory I mean so are you saying half

of Tibetans Dem what I was trying to get

at earlier when I confused it with

literally a majority of Tibetans live

outside the Tibetan autonomous region

like that's just a fact according to the

Chinese government states that is effect

the majority of Tibetans live outside so

there's there's no ethnic reason as to

why the other half of uh

that of what you call Tibet there's no

other reason why that's not part of the

Tibet autonomous song

well they they want to they the idea is

to split up to Tibetans and to make sure

that they're divided so they split them

off they come on some of them don't even

get maybe maybe it's because maybe it's

because half of those Tibetans are more

integrated and infused with the dominant

Chinese culture or the I should say the

Han Chinese that's just like fucking not

true though it's like literally the end

and how would it happen then how could

it possibly have divided them okay like

like for example the majority of Tibetan

self-immolations over the past 10 years

or so have occurred outside the

temperature has there been uh

is there any external causes as far as

Tibetan separatism are concerned that

are not necessarily rooted in the

Indigenous Tibetan people's aspirations

as the CIA and state of India

collaborated toward the end of

fermenting Tibetan separatism

I am not extremely familiar with Tibet

I'm more familiar with xinjiang but I do

have someone from China who is saying

you're wrong that most Tibetans don't

live in the Tibet autonomous Zone

where are you getting the claim that

most of them live outside of the

autonomous can you like source that

because I've actually like granted you a

lot of sources

okay I'll literally Source it

Tibetan fuck one second

I know you love Wikipedia okay like this

is the soundtrack Wikipedia is the

source you love and Wikipedia is saying

I'm not talking about I'm not using my

computer right now I'm not using so what

are you using it's

um the South China Morning Post which is

a Chinese source

where are you where did they say the

majority of Tibetans don't live in the

autonomous

half of Tibetans don't live in the

Tibetan autonomous Zone this is the

Dutch on a morning post even if it was

half

clearly it's a majority like probably

like 51 or 60 you're saying half of them

don't live in the Tibet autonomous

region but why does Wikipedia which is

the source you love say that the

majority are living in the Tibet

autonomous region

I don't know like literally the Chinese

government itself says that the majority

your Source says half but you claimed

majority

okay

there are there are three let's oh you

were wrong so you were wrong

also said the book that I want the book

that I read it was that's the books what

was the book you read

ing the Buddha okay and where is the

primary source from that book that

claims the majority of Tibetans live

outside of the Tibet autonomous region

because you claim the majority of that

Chinese government

Chinese government can you can you

provide the source

that's the census of the Chinese

government can you provide that census

so I can look at it

okay let me I'm just getting it I'm

getting it dude I'm not even that

knowledgeable about Tibet admittedly oh

okay what you're doing is honestly what

you've done now so you went to Wikipedia

in the Wikipedia I I I I I saw my

colleague Ezra say you were wrong about

that so I looked it up on Google to fact

check it and even Wikipedia is saying

you're wrong so both my colleague who's

from China and Wikipedia are saying

you're wrong about that according to the

six national population census of the

People's Republic of China there are

6.282 million Tibetans Nationwide

they're 2.7 million people in the Tibet

autonomous region so just by virtually

can you provide the sources so I can

look at it

that's literally the sixth national

population census of China

can you provide the source and the zoom

okay one second

I also I knew the South China Morning

Herald post for example which I'll send

you that right now

sure

so 2009 article by South China Morning

Post which is literally a pro China

source

and then it just apps

what do you say where's the census

you're getting that you know uh only a

minority of Tibetans live in the Tibet

autonomous

um I'm getting it but you can just

literally go to the justice and this is

the source you claim said half of them

live there

it's fucking so it's clearly it's

clearly beyond the point okay I'm using

Okay using China Daily this is literally

the Chinese government state media I'll

send this to you right now

this is a problem right so

okay

Tibetan populace region nearly double

within 605 blah blah

um where is this

well the problem is that it only it

refers the Chinese government says that

all dividends live in the Tibetan

autonomous region so that's the problem

well you just said China's official

census

contradiction yeah if you Google

Tibetan population China

you said China's government is claiming

all of them live in the Tibetan

autonomous region not sure

no no that's not if you can't get these

Elementary facts right I don't think

you're really credible enough to even

talk about it's on a daily article that

I was referencing it said three million

people live in Tibet but when it says

Tibet it's talking about the Tibetan

autonomous region

so that's not a minority of Tibetans

is it

you know

this is actually getting a bit dumb man

like okay so you were wrong to say that

majority no I'm not because because

literally fact I'll send you the 2010 do

a majority of Tibetans live outside of

the Tibet autonomous Zone

okay now can you answer my questions

directly so we just move on do a

majority of Tibetans they do the

majority live outside

okay well outside the autonomous region

but 3.6 million people live in the

autonomous region

yes

but three million live in the Tibetan

autonomous prefectures of Sichuan

and uh it's not a Tibet autonomous

region then is it or no it's a separate

so I the 2014 census there are six

million Tibetans

living across the Tibet autonomous

region and eventually just say three

million live in the office this is the

let me let me say Okay six million

Tibetans living in both the Tibet

autonomous region and the Tibetan

autonomous prefectures the provinces of

Gansu Ching Hai Sichuan yunang

but you will find they're about 2.5 3

million Tibetans inside the Tibet

autonomous region and where are you

getting 2.5 where are you getting that

the fucking 2010 Chinese census for

fuck's sake

I'll send it to you I'll send you the

census yeah send it to me send it to me

well in any case that even if that was

true in 2010 it's no longer true anymore

I know I'm actually in fact okay well we

haven't found it so I'm just gonna

assume you're wrong about that point

here I've got it here Chinese government

says data

okay

so so

the last one so okay let's um

but this is just like getting bogged

down and needle in like pointless

details the pointless is

inaccessible this is an inaccessible

census

because you won't okay no there's

nothing here and

here a blank page

the wicked Wikipedia summarizes in

English the Chinese census results but

you think that says most of them are in

the Tibet autonomous region

and the Tibetan prefecture no it doesn't

it says the autonomous region

according according to the official data

from the 2020 estimate of the National

Bureau of physics in China the total

population in the tar is 3.6 million and

Tibetans make up 90 percent

let's move on to the next thing about

tomorrow

dude you were wrong

Drew listen you were wrong but the

difference is um

you're just wrong you're just wrong

you're just wrong you actually fucking

I'm actually not though because no Drew

you're actually no Drew you're actually

wrong okay a majority of Tibetans live

in the Tibet autonomous Zone

3.6 million people live there 90 of

which are Tibetan

okay

but in China does the Chinese government

claim

okay

3.24 million Tibetans live in the Tibet

autonomous Zone it's a majority okay

okay I'm sending you I'm sending you the

Wikipedia page on the Tibetan people

okay

okay China claims that there are 6.3

million Tibetans across China okay what

was the population of the Tibetan

autonomous region that you just read out

a 6.2 or 3.2 or 3.3

0.3 million Tibetans across China and

you're telling me the Tibetan autonomous

Region's overall population including

Han is 3 million clearly no including

harness 3.6 million the betsens is 3.24

okay

3.24 million Tibetans in the Tibetan

autonomous region and China says that

the 6.3 million Tibetans across China

would not 50 or more Tibetans be living

outside it's a better autonomous region

uh 3.24 times 2 would be

6.48 right

so so what so more than 50 all right

it's like 45 so what 45 of them so you

were wrong with your original claim

that's it by like what what like because

you were trying to make it seem like

most of them live outside of it when at

best you could probably I could

charitably Grant you we'll have well

look look okay look at very worst for my

argument it's half a Tibetans live

outside it's a better Optometry all

right well now you're okay well okay so

so okay now we can get to the fucking

point

okay I'm gonna Grant you I don't know

the exact reason why

uh

the Sichuan Province The qinghai

Province and the Gansu Province are so

heavily concentrated

with um

Tibetan people I think but for example

even Wikipedia even Wikipedia is giving

us you're saying there's no ethnic

autonomy and you this was the argument

you're saying there's this means there's

no ethnic autonomy well I mean even if

you look at Wikipedia take the Gansu

Province for example within the Gansu

Province although it's not part of the

Tibet autonomous region it has the gnan

Tibetan autonomous prefecture and the

berry Tibetan autonomous County so there

are

um

territories even within those provinces

that are autonomous

I say that about 10 minutes ago I said

there are autonomous prefectures in

these states but again so clearly there

is recognition of the rights of ethnic

autonomy it's just that they probably

don't want to be explained to me think

Drew think logically why should the

Tibet autonomous Zone include all of the

Sichuan Province for example or the

Gansu no I'm not saying all of them I'm

not saying all of them no why should the

Tibet you're saying the reason China

you're you're saying the reason half of

historical Tibet is not part of the

Tibet autonomous Zone because the

Chinese want to divide the Tibetan

people when the actual reason probably

has more to do with the fact that those

other regions are more ethnically

diverse

but the areas in which the Tibetans are

living in these regions are the high

mountainous plateaus where no one else

is living so like if you go why are

there autonomous prefectures within them

clearly more people live in there that

are not Tibetan ethnically

well well now now it's the case because

there's been a concerted effort at harm

migration at hand set the colonialism

that's not true because during the Qing

in throughout all of China's history

there were in there was influences from

the rest of China

did you know that for at one point Tibet

actually conquered China

I don't care sure sure

Mongolia conquered China once it's still

part of China okay it's all part of

Chinese history

so what the actual Mongol the country of

Mongolia you're so stupid what you're

saying if I take a fucking province of

France and say one time a king from this

province came and conquered all of

France does that negate that France is a

valid historical entity no it doesn't

I'm not saying that China is not a valid

historical entity I'm saying yeah yeah

Napoleon did you know Napoleon fucking

came from Corsica so therefore why it's

actually like disgusting

just got fucking three-year-old he

doesn't know anything like yeah well he

came from Corsica and Corsica conquered

France I guess I guess uh I guess that

invalidates this is actually fucking

dumb on I'm not saying that China does

not have a historical business

holders in my chat I'm not that

knowledgeable about the history in terms

of detail but he's saying you're wrong

and that that an Empire only briefly

captured the tank Capital but never

conquered China proper just briefly

occupied the capital of the tangina look

they didn't temporarily you're aware

you're aware that China's capitals have

not stayed stagnant throughout history

for example you know why Beijing is the

Chinese Capital I'm not claiming

otherwise why is Beijing the reason who

made Beijing the Chinese capital

this is what you're mistaking about

Beijing the Chinese Capital all right

this is what you're this is what you're

mistake about my argument okay you think

that I'm claiming that China should be

Tibetan hold on I also have another

person making the claim in my chat that

Han people make up a smaller percentage

now in the population of the western

provinces and region than they did 200

years ago so 200 years ago there was

more Han people in those regions than

now

when it came to the topic of Tibet

granted I was more prepared for xinjiang

but so when it came to the topic of

Tibet well I only brought up tobacco you

said you said

um I'm willing to stick to Tibet it's

just that the reason I'm pulling more

heavily from you know people donating to

me in chat and and uh my colleagues is

because I have to check you on these

facts I have not come prepared with a

sheet of facts to check whether what

you're saying is right but I can infer

that you're not very reliable when it

comes to the factual claims you're

making you're not very credible when it

comes to the things you say about Tibet

oh okay just hurry I'm just asking you

okay firstly what your mistake about my

argument you're thinking that because I

said that Tibet at one point captured

the Chinese Capital that China is

dividend no what I'm saying is your idea

that Tibet and all these other countries

on the western what do you think I think

China is just the Han ethnicity

well China is an Empire

yeah

I don't care to entertain the semantics

of what an Empire is but

do you think China has ever been a

monoethnic civilization

no it hasn't it's never a point it's

never been it's always that doesn't mean

the Han we're brutally subjugating

foreigners it means that the

civilization of China was always based

on a Mutual recognition between the Han

ethnicity which was by the way an

ethnicity purely and strictly defined by

its proximity to the Imperial Center not

some arbitrary ethnic group that gained

Supremacy it's literally an ethnic group

defined by those that eventually come to

assimilate with the

Center become more proximate with the

Empire Center that's where the origin of

the Han ethnicity is a mixture of

several ethnicities through history just

happening to unify around the Empire but

even those who are not fully assimilated

and are therefore of the Han ethnicity

are given the status of recognition at

every age of Chinese history as part of

Chinese civilization and there's a

always a fusion and a syncreticism that

happens that ends up enriching Chinese

culture as a whole

so true I mean but what if the Tibetans

in the weakest don't want to live

underneath the Chinese role what if they

don't want to be colonized and

subjugated you're talking about how you

don't agree with Western colonization

within the facts of History would have

turned out differently for example in

the case of xinjiang xinjiang would have

not been a de facto province of China

for like thousands of years but for

thousands that's literally fucking wrong

because it wasn't a dream

wasn't briefly under it was it was

briefly under control of the first Han

Dynasty and then it and then it came

back under Chinese control during the

not even trying to control other

menstrual control

the fact that the Qing dynasty was not

uh made up of Han in terms of the royal

family doesn't mean it's not Chinese but

can you explain to me why literally okay

like do you know who founded modern

China

they were literally saying like the men

that the Qing Dynasty is not Chinese

that's why like they that was before

that was well before that was before Sun

Yat-sen actually that was the kind of um

westernizing impulse before sanyasan Sun

Yat-sen is actually they were the the

early Chinese revolutionaries

insisted on the territorial Integrity of

all of the borders of the former Qing

Dynasty including where the Manchu

people resided he therefore recognized

them yes as Chinese you're so ridiculous

I mean the flag of the uh do you know

like like when they were talking

read the book

you know I'm gonna

but I'm pretty sure the kmt flag

what was the what did the flag stand for

yes the flag yes

the kmt sorry that was uh

so for example the kmt you know like

this is interesting people though this

is an interesting fact people don't

realize Taiwan because of the

Constitution written for it by the kmt

dictatorship still officially claims

Mongolia the five races the five races

under one Union flag was that or only

during manchuko I don't think it was no

that was uh that was that was the

Republic of China that overthrew the um

the Manchu King the flag the flag used

during that revolution in 1911

was one color for every ethnicity major

ethnicity including the Manchu where

there was a yellow stripe for them so

why are you saying the finding why are

you saying the founding of modern China

excluded the Manchu as non-chinese

that's a passively wrong I'm not saying

it excluded the mention what I'm saying

is the founding fathers of modern China

who overthrew the Qing Dynasty one of

the main region one of the major reasons

they wanted to overthrow the Qing

dynasty was they were saying was that

they said it's a Manchu Dynasty it's not

a Chinese dynasty that is a fact why did

they then why did they include in their

definition of China the Manchu people

because I still believed in China as an

Empire they just wanted to be run by Han

rather mentary

where did where was that ever said where

did Sun Yat-sen ever claim that

it just it's just obvious isn't it like

some people do it dude it was a

democratic movement and yes the majority

of people in China were Han so that

probably would reflect the facts that

doesn't mean it was a uh was that proof

that it was ethnically supremacist

that's like saying that's like saying uh

the anti-apartheid movement is ethnic

supremacism because the majority of

South Africans are black it's a

completely no I'm not necessarily I'm

not necessarily saying that it was

ethnic supremacist I'm just saying one

of the crucial motivating factors for

the for the early nationalists who were

trying to overthink and this is a

historical fact they didn't like that it

was it was a mantra Dynasty and so one

of the one of the one of the constant

even if that was true

even if that was true even if that was

true that's not true for Sun Yat-sen

because Sun yard sen didn't blame the

Manchu for China's troubles he blamed

the West uh Sun Yat-sen wanted to return

to China as a civilization he wasn't

some on ethno-nationalist so what what

point that's the founder of modern China

according to you by the way so I mean

like what I

think he was

I'm not saying that he was

can we okay let's get to the me and

potatoes of the point because you're

waffling around you go from Tibet to the

Manchu it's like it's very clear China

is a multi-ethnic civilization very

clear is not China doesn't mirror the

practices European colonialism because

it's an Empire or a civilization founded

on Mutual recognition rather than

apartheid on Mutual recognition they are

explicit inspired by the colonialism of

the European powers if you look at the

states

boarding schools like okay look what

they're doing to the uyghurs and the

dividends right now they've created

colonial style boarding skills schools

which they take children from their

parents and then so you're saying you're

saying Universal education

you're saying you're saying standard

education institutions which are mainly

run by oygers by the way they're not

they're fucking not they're not they are

majority

the majority of people in both the

Communist party and the people running

the state institutions are also oiger it

actually reflects the people that live

in that that's not true that's literally

not true

the boarding schools I'm referring to

these are harm boarding schools where

the children Tibetan and we are taken

away from their parents they're schooled

intensely in Mandarin

right this is the first time I'm hearing

about them so let's like can I can I

look at these this is the point Harry

this is the point you're making really

sure

show me the boarding schools dude what

is this Matilda show me the boarding

schools with a Han Miss Trunchbull from

Matilda where she grabs their uh fucking

pickles and spins around just just show

with me what's going on dude show me the

boarding schools what's going on

Colonial warning schools nearly 1

million Tibetan children today live in

colonial mornings and preschools okay

can you send me the

sure

it's it's on CIA because Tibetans have

okay I'm I'm gonna just look at what

you're saying because I don't I'm not

familiar with this claim

to bet action.net no buy is here

um it's called the Tibet action

the Tibet okay okay this is beautiful

this is beautiful

briefly briefly I'm gonna show the chat

this uh source of yours because I think

everyone should see it

um stop Colonial boarding schools and

it's the Tibet action Institute so this

says nearly 1 million Tibetan children

today live in colonial boarding schools

and preschools those okay it's making a

lot of claims

uh is the primary source like if I keep

scrolling I find it or what

where do I find the so I just scroll

down and then it'll have the full report

which is like a 60 page report

methodology sure let's do this

uh

methodology research and strains

our report relies on a combination

sources

verse 10. here's a good source you

wouldn't agree with that the Chinese

government has it dude please shut up

for a second while I read this dude can

I just read this okay though shut up

shut up it sounds like you're guilty and

you're trying to do damage control

before I even read this okay so this

really unbiased report from a Tibetan

separatist organization

um first hands accounts from inside the

Tibet which is not a fucking true

because do you know the Dalai Lama

actually he actually argues for staying

with China the diamond the official

position to bet an exile Community is we

should stay with China we just want more

autonomy

okay well let's go to the about you know

that's the official position of the

Tibetan government in Exile

Tibetan is supporting resistance

with the goal of helping veterans inside

and out 62nd Tibetan National Uprising

day that happened and so you're saying

this is not a separatist organization

but they commemorate these separatist uh

Tibetan National Uprising in 1959

ultimate engine diaspora do it so this

is this a separatist

China out of Tibet now

the bed is for Tibetans China out of

Tibet now so it's not separatists or is

it separatists well they what they what

they want is autonomy right okay so it's

separatists let's get to the main

potatoes of the facts okay whatever what

I was gonna say hey

like can you stop making more claims

that you're just gonna sound stupid I'm

trying to explain to you you've taken

somebody else now I will admit I will

admit I will admit I did somewhat taken

out when I was dozing off and I

mentioned shit about Taiwan I will own

up to that but you're taking like dozens

of vowels right now and you should

probably shut up for your own good okay

let's get into the mean potatoes of the

source

so first hands accounts from inside

Tibet give examples of how China's

education policies affect the lived

experiences of Tibetans on the ground

these were provided to our researchers

by Tibetans and Exiles so

uh it's

um first hands accounts

I don't really care about those we

extrapolated the number

if you go to the full report I've sent

you this in the zoom chat they're

actually quoting Chinese government

statements so you can just go to this

government statement you can just if you

want you can completely dismiss what the

Tibetans themselves are saying and you

can read the challenge under the

People's Republic of China education

policy in Tibet has gone through many

changes

um a prominent precursor to the current

boarding school system for Tibetans was

the Inland schooling program this

project began in 85 cutting students

bonds with their home communities

instilling new Norms language culture

and loyalty

a military-style boot camp and how to

become Chinese

um

separate from the Inland schooling

program

boarding schools existed in Tibet in the

80s and 90s

okay I don't know what these schools are

um what their purpose is

um who goes to them I I'm I'm just

there's a million it's for every Tibetan

kids

how do I know this isn't just the

standard

how do I know this isn't just like the

standard form of Education that they get

and it's just and you're just calling it

a colonial boarding school when it's

actually just like like imagine imagine

you call the fucking school in Ohio a

colonial boarding school because they

have gym that sounds military boot camp

because we go to yeah

I know you're reverse

I've actually sent you I've sent you two

Chinese government sources describing

the boarding of schools themselves in

their own words and in their own words

the same these

things

I'll see directions for building a

modern socialist that

um okay sure let's look let's look so

where's the boarding schools

I've given you two sources where's the

colonial schools where's the colonial

schools the Second Source actually has a

video showing life as it's a bit what

about the first we're doing one by one

so what about

what about the I don't see it can you

show me the First Source Colonial

boarding schools in the First Source

okay

did you not think I was gonna like click

on this I'll hold your hand and walk you

through it please

I I'm guessing there's nothing here

right

no no it's saying more education and

guidance should be provided for the

public to mobilize that particularly

except for these activities

because cgtn has an article that says

more education I'm giving you more

should be provided okay

according to you this sentence is

evidence of colonial boarding schools

it's not I'm giving

why are you wasting my time with this

Source then let's go to the second one

because you I only just really

so this is a Tibetan high schooler and

where's the colonial boarding school we

take the school bus home about one day

in one night a high school senior in

lhasa the capital of China's Tibet

autonomous region she's attending High

School

so what because China's mandatory

education like we do in America

what do you mean I'm an Arab living in

fake in Michigan

Drew I'm an Arab who lives in Michigan

when I go to high school am I being

taken away from my family that's fucking

stupid what are you talking about okay

if you can't read the 20 year old girl

who lives in lhasa yeah she she's

actually taken 1500 kilometers away

that probably speaks to um

that probably speaks to the lack of uh

infrastructure that they're sure they're

building more schools like I don't know

what do you mean these are remote

and extreme areas where you probably

can't build schools it's probably harder

to build schools there

splitting them away the families where

are you getting that

the article

suffering from a severe shortage of

workers

rural Tibet suffers a severe shortage of

workers most parents have to leave their

kids at home to attend the Farms

um China's one policy didn't affect the

Tibet region uh

uh central government Exempted tuition

fees and offered free accommodation okay

so let me explain to the audience what's

going on here according to cgtn okay now

you can say cgcn is an unrelated I'm

actually I'm actually letting you use

Chinese government sources which I know

Drew Drew Drew shut up for a second okay

so these are extreme rural areas in

Tibet where there's a shortage of

infrastructure there's a shortage of

workers there's a shortage of you know

modern

um what we call Modern civilization

there and China wants to do everything

in its Empower to despite the geographic

inequalities and despite the geographic

disparities

do they fucking pay you for this it's

beautiful so China is Criminal for

allowing rural Tibetans to get an

education is that what you're saying oh

that that's exactly how I describe it

taking kids 1500 kilometers away from

their family and they're not allowed to

see their families and they're not

allowed to speak in tibetan at least

high schools that's exactly how I

describe it just just but Evelyn wanted

to help the Tibetan children wait we'll

take the school bus home about one day

and one night

it's a journey by 25 hours by bus

you think maybe this has more to do with

the fact that

I'm giving you more sources by the way

I'm giving you more sources

okay this one is clearly not

satisfactory

beautiful beautiful

you're not sending me sources because

the sources don't substantiate the claim

therefore they're not sources Drew and

Drew

anything else you dude you sent me

not a link you sent me I'll send you

five links I've now sent you five links

and you sent me a fucking bibliography

citation I can't click on

hey I'm sending it to you now then okay

fucking beautiful teaching in Tibet

China rolls out changes in education

China's been overhauling changes in

Tibet that wants to improve the chances

of the Region's 600 000 students part of

that approach means teaching students in

two languages and moving kids from rural

villages to bigger cities

uh

uh okay beautiful let's go with the

sauce I've just got the PDF file dude

should I do one at a time on the one

hand you're like I gave you five sources

and then on the other hand you don't

want me to look through the sources you

actually give me to like scrutinize

whether they sustain or substantiate

your claims

okay what makes these Colonial I don't

see what makes these Colonial

because they're taken away from me

they're from a rural District called

alley it's a remote area it's difficult

to breathe can't eat properly they can't

sleep properly really really difficult

let alone study

these are like extreme remote areas in

the fucking mountains where it's

probably hard to build standard

educational institutions

um

and you're saying this is colonial why

is it Colonial to give your citizens

free education I'll explain it since

1985 the ruling Chinese Communist party

has uprooted military children as young

as 10 years old from the communities in

Tibet and xinjiang in order to school

them in the language culture and values

of the heart majority in Eastern and

cultural and coastal cities thousands of

kilometers away the simulatory agenda is

obvious but thousands of minority

students apply each year for a coveted

spot in this highly competitive is this

in the article because I'd rather just

read it than hear you like

yeah this isn't the PDF I've sent you

okay so so uh and and this is actually

science

uprooted minority children from their

communities in order to school them in

the language culture and values of the

Han at the majority

okay then why are they taught their own

language primarily and only Mandarin

that's that's part of the fucking line

the Chinese government your own source

that you sent me

says they're taught in two languages

yeah which one are you talking about

right now because that's cgtn if it's

cgtn obviously why did you send it to me

I'm just going off what you sent me

because you're not accepting any other

source other than the fucking Chinese

government so I'm guessing you Chinese

government propaganda the Chinese

government is saying that they're taught

two languages I want to know where the

claim is you're just going to say that

where where are you getting where are

you contriving the claim that they're

only taught Han

read this one read this one this is

where you get the client

well I don't see a source for this claim

in this

in this document I don't see a source

for that

the essential agenda is uh see like

here's the thing I think it could be

misleading because it's saying they're

taught the language culture and values

of the Han but it doesn't mention are

they also taught the language culture

and values of Tibetans

to what extent are they taught the

values of the Han relative to the

depends we don't actually

where are you getting that information

that it's all Han

students are permitted to perform their

ethnic cultures are carefully

choreographed events among major ethnic

holidays but the language and cultural

norms of the majority are the daily

habitators of these residential schools

as a result native language

and many this is Page Six of the PDF and

many Tibetan a week of students lose

their ability to read and write in their

first language are to stay up to 11

years

students are uh perform their ethnic

cultures but the language and cultural

norms of the Han majority are the daily

habitus of these residential schools

um

they lose their ability to read and

write in their first language

okay that's quite a bold claim

um

well the it's source to one It source to

2016. it's uh no I think this claim is

sourced it's not too Chinese sauce

this is your Chinese sauce

Drew Drew

okay due to the intense focus on

language learning and patriotic

education some Educators complain that

nade Bond graduates possess poor

academic skills when compared to their

Han peers especially in math and

sciences that's what seems to be sourced

here but the claim that they're only

taught the language and cultural norms

or mainly taught the language and Norms

of the majority

I don't see a source for that

they're a primary source for that claim

yeah where

this fool if you go up higher Chen 2008

gross 2013 yeah 2015 Zoo 2007.

where is the claim that they're mainly

taught the Han language

it's right there where

in the journal article which primary

source

okay we will go through I'm going

through it right now

which primary source true

I'm going through now

so for example wangan's our 2003 page

102 argue that not only do Tibetan

students struggle to keep up

academically but the dislodgement

process results in cultural erosion

social Transportation similarly Chen

2008 agrees with gross that the program

has felt amidstated aim of cultural

integration with the uyghur students he

studied using bonding Social Capital to

strengthen their weaker identities and

sense of separatists

so they're like fucking apartheid

schools this is like this is documented

in multiple sources that he's referring

to based on fucking primary

exhausting dude you're talking so fast

and it's so much nervousness because

what you're saying doesn't back up the

claim I asked you for something simple

what is the primary source that they're

not they're mainly only speaking Han

Mandarin in these schools not their own

native language okay yes I wanted the

primary okay and you didn't give it to

me

grows Timothy 2013 the uyghurs of the

zinjan class boarding school education

it's a PhD dissertation at the

University of Indiana

there

and then there's also

and then there's also for a second let

me get a hold on this shut up for a

fucking second okay bibliography dude

dude you're just reading me shit link it

to me but in the meantime

you said shut up shut up shut up you

said oh it's fucking apartheid it's

fucking apartheid why is it fucking

apartheid that Tibetans perform worse

than Han why is that apartheid why is it

not apartheid that Chen why is it

apartheid that Shannon Gross think the

program failed to meet its stated aim of

cultural integration how does that make

it apartheid why is that apartheid why

would I let you get away with that claim

why is that apartheid

is based on field research inside zinjan

Tibet they're literally talking Tibetans

and weakers living inside China and I

think conflicts of interest like are

there any biases that might motivate

people to depict this image that's in

favor of Tibetan separatism

um you know what's your favorite

reciprocism under the Chinese

Constitution they allowed the Chinese

Constitution guarantees them rights and

language and autonomy so why is it

separatism to say they should be

schooling Tibetan

I don't know if they're not schooled in

tibetan that's a claim you have not been

able to substantiate once

well it's like it says here it says here

in the journal article which is based on

like 20 sources of social specific

primary source for that specific claim

Timothy gross or or link it can you link

it can you link it to me yes yes yes

okay I will fucking go through and I'll

literally become a fucking research

assistant to you and I'm sending you

fucking 20 sources link it to me link it

to me I am

okay I'm trying to I'm trying to get one

right now

but let's be realistic Harry like any

single source that I send you're just

going to say oh it's the fucking entity

I haven't actually made that argument

once

uh yeah

is there any like what source I think

that's a valuable question because in

the absence of you being able to provide

primary source evidence I have to ask

why what if there's potentially

conflicting reasons as to why they're

making this claim otherwise I would like

you to disclose why they're making this

claim if it can't be backed up with

primary sources

the problem is I

fucking all these academic sources are

obviously paywalled but it's based on 20

20 PhD like 20 Journal articles and PhD

dissertation that are based on field

work inside Tibet and inside China

itself and I

auditing interest is because just

because these Scholars are saying this

doesn't make it fucking true because

there could be multiple reasons as to

why the fucking Western academic

institutions are spinning the fucking

narrative that China's colonizing

Tibetan and being chauvinistic okay so

just uh just being a cocksucker saying

oh this guy's a diploma he's a smart guy

I don't give a fuck if he's a professor

I don't give a fuck if he's a scholar I

don't give a fuck if there's a

bibliography show me the primary source

that I am supposed to rationally

contrive an agreed conclusion from

that's what I want you to do I want you

to convince me why I should agree with

them I don't want you to Dick wave their

fucking credentials in my face I don't

care about the credentials they've all

interviewed Tibetans himself and wiggas

fucking dogs Okay so can you just say

the only primary source evidence you

have

is testimonies from certain Tibetans and

oyers

well it's literally like thousands upon

thousands of testimonies

of thousands of testimonies that agree

with this specific claim

I can't

then how why should I believe thousands

of testimonies exist of people claiming

they can't speak Tibetans in this in

these schools why should I believe that

okay I'll I'll get this I'll get this

all right got one

it's based on what the CCP itself has

said

on December 25th the united front work

department ufwd of the Nan Chan County

Party Committee in yusu tibetan

autonomous prefecture in China's

Southwestern qinghai Province issued an

urgent notice to all party committees

local governments and Monastery

management committees and townships and

Villages across the country across the

county not a winter vacation was

approaching to a primary and secondary

school then caution that are legal

Tibetan language cultures and

monasteries were on the rise to curb

this townships were instructed to

strengthen their sense of urgency

improve the way monasteries are

organized and roll out measures to

rectify the situation

uh

I mean holy shit Peter Piper picked a

pack of pickled peppers can you just

link what you said

okay I I literally didn't catch like 60

of what you just said can you just link

what you said so I can read it

well I'm trying to find a soul

okay okay

nikai

lyrics

okay fuck

all right let's look at this

um

okay

um

well this isn't a Chinese government

source so but let's continue to look at

it

Chinese government policies this is

back to the report this is back to the

report

you're going to obviously say that's not

would you accept the source from Human

Rights sports or are you going to say

that's a shield shut up and let me read

this

okay a report calls the practice of

sending Tibetan children

okay this is their report

um

what did you read out that is a very

material significance like about how

I'm saying this is not a worthwhile

Source I just realized because it's just

linking back to the original report that

I sent you and you're obviously not

going to accept it so I'm saying I'm I'm

going to push that aside we'll keep I'll

keep looking for better sources

no you did say something where you were

like oh there's a threat of

I what did you read off what did you

like read where where did that come from

oh that one okay I'll get that but again

it's a Tibetan engineer so you're not

going to believe it but okay well I want

to read it still

because I didn't even hear what you said

I just want to read it

and show it to the audience so they can

actually

uh intelligibly fucking read it

okay Drew you're not really good at like

compiling evidence it might just be

better

if you concede you can't provide a

primary source and go to uh

in the original report that you're

dismissing as NGO any debug oh your fans

are dismissing any D whatever whatever

it has it has literal primary sources in

it like Tibetans that they're speaking

to inside I have not been shown

the thousands of testimonies you claim

exist

I haven't been shown evidence that those

testimonies the thousands of of them

exist

you've had every opportunity to show

them to me I haven't seen them

there's thousands of Tibetan first-time

primary sources

thousands of Tibetan what but you're

going to dismiss them all because you've

got to say they're all Tibetan can you

can you show me the thousands of Tibetan

primary sources

hey I I will actually I will actually go

away compile the Tibetan the primary

evidence for the next debate I'll bring

them

so you don't have it

well not on this not right absence the

primary sources

I don't have to entertain your claims

the Chinese government states its

intentions I have no reason to believe

it's not fulfilling those intentions for

example okay okay for example let's go

through look here are some test stories

that I can read out right now this is

the this is basically I don't want you

to read out a testimony

I don't doubt they find they can find a

Tibetan who can say this you said

there's thousands of them corroborating

that I want that data

okay I can get that data but at the

moment I've got literal conversations I

I'm gonna interview I I interviewed I'm

gonna interview Sean you right now and

he literally lives in China and you want

me to interview him for a primary source

what does he know about Savannah does he

live in Tibet he lives in China you want

me to do you want me to get a Communist

Party member who lives in Tibet and

interview him

yeah bring him on and that to you will

be an equal source to your source

well I'm obviously not gonna agree with

what he's saying but bring him off I'm

not going to agree with what the Tibetan

separatists to sing how about that okay

okay but bring on bring on bring on the

CCP member inside China and we'll talk

about it

it's a debate between me and you but I'm

just trying to make give you the

rhetorical point that

one person who makes a claim is not a

reliable source I have no reason to

believe that there are Colonial schools

in Tibet you can call them Colonial I

don't think they're Colonial I think

you're actually dealing with the

situation I was 12 years old when I went

to the boarding school I attended the I

attended from grade 7 to 12 from 1997 to

2003 schools two hours walking distance

from my home I was able to go home in my

school there were students who were far

off they couldn't go on home on the

weekend

so usually they just stay back and went

home only if there was some emergency

there's no phone facility you had to buy

your own food and bedding

there were separate schools for Chinese

and Tibetans we had no free time

schedule Sun at six A.M

extreme beatings I live in Michigan and

I'm going to talk about how uh Gretchen

Whitmer is Hitler when I go outside

every single day when I drive my car

Gretchen pulls me over and uh she puts

me at gunpoint and you know tells me to

renounce my Islamic faith at gunpoint or

else I die and she put me in camps and

all these things Drew shut I don't I

don't care like reading me off something

one guy says

I'll give you a standard of evidence I

want you to conform to it's macro that I

want

I want thousands of people in Tibet to

be surveyed there are studies like that

and I can literally well that's what

you're gonna have to give me

okay well let's let's do that for the

next one Robin getting booked there well

you don't have it here you don't have it

here so I don't have to entertain the

claim if you don't have it I just want

to say though I was gonna say okay it's

really sad here I don't have to

entertain the claim I was just going to

say though it is actually sad that your

friend who lives in Toronto is a CCP

member he probably couldn't even come on

the stream and debate me without being

in trouble like this is how bad the

censorship is in China

I've had people from China come on

stream and indeed debate uh westerners

and it's on my channel yes but but I'm

not but you understand the Chinese

government has literally like sent death

threats against my family they've put

out Chinese government news articles

condemning me as one of the worst things

to draw if you want to talk about that

you are serially harassing Chinese

people you are engaging in inflammatory

Behavior yeah drew that is an absolutely

you are harassing Chinese people in

Australia

no that is a lie and if you're getting

death threats it's because you're

revoking Chinese people all right how

are you gonna sit here how are you gonna

see everything I've always done true

everything you're sitting here and

crying to me no no this is hilarious

this is hilarious Drew Drew you're

sitting here and crying to me that

you're getting death threats because

you're insulting Chinese people but

that's not what I'm saying

this is how it started okay this is how

it started I held one protest at my

University the University of Queensland

they actually rounded up 400 500 Chinese

guys

patriotic symptoms no it was it was a

support it was a human rights rally for

the uyghurs in Hong Kong is they

actually rounded up guys who were not

even students they had earpieces in they

had sunglasses these are like guys in

their 30s to like bash us up this is

attacked you at College I want to say I

don't really shed any tears for you when

it comes to so-called death threats when

you have lauded publicly claiming you

were trolling the murder of a civilian

philosopher because you disagree with

them ideologically

that is a woman who got murdered that's

a woman that's that's a woman who got

Drew that's a woman who got murdered and

you're sitting here crying about it when

are you going to shed a tear for the

ukrainians who are murdered every day

because of the ideology she supports I

you know what I lay meant the murder of

the death of any innocent civilian be

they Ukrainian be they in the dawn bass

I think war is bad it is I don't that's

true because yeah I think war is a bad

thing

let me tell you something true let me

tell you something drew boy

you're in America

I witness people cheer on the invasion

of Iraq which led to the death of a

million people so unless you think all

of those people can all of those people

be justifiably killed how old are you

can all of those people I grew up

through it can all those people be

justifiably killed

why is it justifiable for Daria to die

look I I okay first of all I do not

condone I do not condone okay true true

you've probably supported I don't want

to war with China okay

Drew did you support the Iraq War

no

do you support NATO giving uh Ukraine

arms

yes which is the difference is leading

to the store's arms are tangibly leading

to the death of civilians in the dawn

batteries

there would be no war deaths inside

Ukraine if Russia had not invaded in my

arguments there would be no war if the

criminal Ukrainian government wasn't

provoking Russia with talks of joining

NATO

that's that is actually a complete

fucking lie do you know even before the

war zalencia was actually known as like

quite soft on Russia he was he was a

Russian native speaker he didn't and he

didn't know and that's hilarious

I have video footage of zelenski going

to the so-called Eastern front where the

azov militiamen are bullying him and and

uh he has no control over the Ukrainian

military or the AG the actual people in

control of Ukraine wasn't zelenski is

these people who are fighting in the

dawn bass holding everyone in Ukraine

hostage and zielinski has to submit

happening

how do you explain the invasion that in

circle Kiev how do you explain that The

Invasion along

the Russians launched them you mean you

mean the diversionary tactic employed by

the Russian oh my God that is actually

such a cope that is insane codes

so you you don't think Russia could take

EF if they wanted

why haven't they done so then take it

I'm I'm on YouTube I don't condone this

but hypothetically speaking Russia could

just bomb the shit out of Kiev and just

take it and they don't want to do that

they actually okay firstly they have not

been restrained whatsoever they're

literally using carrier and carrier

anti-carrier weapons anti-carrying

missiles against Residential apartment

Builders they're targeting directly

civilians of this those are alleged

definitely those are those are alleged

it's such a code because they were

trying

to buildings the thing is true

those apartment buildings although I

don't deny them because you're not

allowed to build them in the way of the

Russian missiles yeah although I don't

deny Russia's responsibility because

you're not allowed to on YouTube I will

say what is within my capacity to say

that they tend to be exceptional cases

not Russia's it's not like Russia's

doing that on a mass scale it's usually

uh doing it on a map scale look at what

they did

in Utah where they had 500 600 people

Sheltering in it including hundreds of

children and the ukrainians wrote in

Russian outside I kind of wishes

again I kind of wish I was about a

rumble I'm not uh forfeiting my YouTube

channel

uh for the debate with you but um as for

the claim well let's have it let's next

time let's we'll do another debate we'll

go on Rumble yeah sure we should do that

actually

um but I can actually say yeah I can say

I had children in this Mario Paul

theater and they wrote in the Russian

word for children and it's so convenient

drew that you have censorship backing

you up because if I contradict your

fucking claim right now I get fucking

banned from YouTube for two weeks so

that's very convenient that you need

censorship to enforce your narrative

well I'm not calling so don't fucking

make an argument I'm not allowed to push

back on without getting fucking banned

for two weeks

but the argument is crucial to my point

no it's not these are cases that got a

lot of media attention because of how

exceptional and extraordinary they were

alleged

to be the main I actually went to

Ukraine back in April to deliver food

Aid I met lots of refugees who were

coming from places like maripole you

could see the fucking Terror in the

children's eyes people who had thousands

upstairs and they're like six years old

Mario was a city that underwent

extensive evacuation and it's not true

it's not it's not beyond the pill it's

not beyond the pill to be allowed to say

that

is this civilian infrastructure was

utilized by the Ukrainian military and

the literal azov Battalion uh to hold

out against the Russian army

the Russians didn't care look at what

they did to grozny it's always been a

part of Russian military Warfare

Doctrine just level cities this is what

they do that's well we don't see them

doing that we don't see them doing that

we always see them doing that that is

what they do don't see them doing that

on a mask

their tactic always is to make civilian

life impossible

there is a last holdout this is a

perfect example to epitomize this there

is a holdout of as of

militia members

who were held out in the St what was

that place called again

it was uh

what was it called

oh I forget the name of it it was it was

like the last holdout

that's off stall yeah that's what it was

it was a soft stall

in his off stall why did the Russian

military wait to attack why didn't they

just like level the whole thing destroy

it

they basically did destroy the whole

idea no they didn't they no they want to

destroyed they're unusable

as okay as of style had civilians in it

and that's why the Russian army didn't

just go in and clear out the whole

fucking thing

well they basically did anyway like they

no they didn't no they didn't because

they didn't mask

because they didn't Massacre all the

civilians did you not see the photos of

the like okay you know that British guy

who got detained because he was fighting

for the ukrainians in the apostol steel

mill

foreign you know that British guy who

got detained by the Russians he was

fighting with the ukrainians in the

apostol steel mill I saw the photos he

put up of the avistol steel mill when

they were actually about on like the

last day of the fighting and it was

completely ruined you can look at this

it looks like the safety of the

civilians that were holed up in there

was guaranteed that yeah

sure it's War they have killed so many

civilians all across Ukraine we're

talking about style right now because I

can't speak to the undeniable on YouTube

things Russia's done but um

I can talk about whether or not you can

say this is what Russia does as a

general rule when in a in this case I

met someone just two days ago I met

someone who was in butcher

and they saw the fucking they saw the

bodies they saw the graves

you're a fucking snake you're really a

fucking snake

you're really okay we'll take it to

rumble then we'll take it to rumble

we'll do another debate like tomorrow

don't talk about things that aren't on

the table to be debated on YouTube

okay

I didn't make I didn't make the YouTube

like I don't I look I don't have a

YouTube channel I'm not familiar with

like what is allowed and what's not so

you basically done any debates so you

just resort to de-platforming tactics

incredible I'm not trying to de-platform

you Harry obviously I seriously disagree

with you I'm not trying to de-platform

you so don't talk about things that

you're not allowed to debate

okay but for me the reason I support

Ukraine is because of the Russian

atrocities

like it's crucial to my house well

here's the thing Drew I will say this

isn't it kind of strange how

you may maybe the deficiency of your

ability to get a more nuanced

perspective on the Ukraine war is

because big Tech acts actively censors

all of the voices that contradict these

things that you believe

Harry I literally read Russian telegram

channels all the time because I want to

see what the problem is to say I'm

familiar with all their clients I mean I

just find it convenient that censorship

enforces your opinion

it doesn't look because man I read this

yes it does because if I were to push

back or contradict you in any capacity I

would be banned for two weeks right now

okay we'll we'll do that next one on

Wimbledon I'm not necessarily saying

I I I'm I seriously disagree with you at

the same time I think that people should

push back on these opinions like you I

people should push back against the

false your support

has to do with atrocities as the azer of

Battalion committed atrocities

I I do not necessarily I do not support

the houses of the topic straight up I do

not support those over time I do not

support any of that that forms the

Vanguard and the backbone of the

Ukrainian military no yes it does yes as

I was actually completely decapitated in

my report no it wasn't no it wasn't as

of they lost they lost like 90 of their

military fighting capacity

azov Battalion and the ideology it

represents is completely dominant within

the Ukrainian military

it's that is false if the if the

Ukrainian far-right was dominant why

could they not even win more than one

percent two percent of the Ukrainian

elections year after year

because just because you're a force of

military dominance doesn't mean you're

getting a popular vote how what a stupid

thing you think people with guns have to

be necessarily the people who are

popular

it's not true I'm not saying that I'm

just saying the far right is a marginal

Force inside Ukraine when it comes to

the military it's not

when it comes to the people when it

comes to the people who are allowed to

be the face of the Ukrainian government

that's not true by the way the Ukrainian

government Ukrainian government Ukraine

Ukraine isn't even a democracy they

banned the Communist parties there well

before the war they censored opposition

they've silenced journalists

they fucking

Russian government that's all they've

done Francis before the war but this is

before the war

yeah there was a war going on from 2014

on Military 10 000 people died War began

in 2014. I agree it should begin in

2014. so

well and obviously obviously a massive

increase in intensity this year with the

invasion in 2022

so you're saying the Ukrainian

government's anti-democratic uh actions

were Justified because of the it's not

anti because the people in the donbass

were resisting the Junta government

that is a complete lie like even even in

the donbass like the Donetsk Republic

like these little shitty statements set

up by Russia they were set up by

neo-nazis and fucking Russian like

Kremlin fronts it was all an AstroTurf

operation there were actual like

pro-made on demonstrations in these

cities and they were absolutely brutally

shut down by the phone that's not true

that's not true it's oh it's absolutely

clear that in the russian-speaking

regions which overwhelmingly voted for

iyanakovich uh

speaking regions the russian-speaking

regions are the ones being bombed by

Russia by Russia right now zielinski is

a Russian Navy because they're being

occupied because they're being occupied

by the azer Battalion and Ukrainian

military but what I want to explain to

you is that these are the regions that

voted for the president who was

illegally

um

gotten rid of in a coup

he fled the country himself he fled the

country himself he already had this

debate with Adam something in Destiny he

didn't he packed he fled he fled the

country after he fled the country after

there were that was invaded in Ukraine

he fled the country after there were

already attempts on his life and it was

very clear he wasn't led the country he

the the pro-russian president the

country after the already attempts on

his life after there were already

attempts on his life and it was very

clear he was not going to get a fair

trial

bro he sent he was sending his Security

Forces to murder people in the streets

he was sending his snipers to murder

people into the streets

well we're gonna go back to exactly

we're gonna go back to what Jackson

already okay if we go

Berlin on the on the

Stars there's no comparison dude because

Ukraine had a coup there wasn't about to

be invaded by fucking Russia it had a

coup that was the crew when you leave

the country yourself you're saying

you're saying I I told you why he had to

flee the country because there were

attempts on his life he wasn't in a fair

trial you say that's Justified because

his police force was massacring

civilians I'm not I'm not saying it's

Justified that he wouldn't get a fair

trouble well the the the the the the

investigations that were conducted

did not corroborate the claims of the

maidan uh

what investigation

the investigation into the claims that

his place

engaged in a sniper fire Massacre of

protests

you know you know during maiden like the

whole lie oh it was all the Nazis like

the Nazis were like the fucking far

right yes there were a couple far-right

people there they were marginal

element it wasn't a couple the banner of

Stefan Bandera prevailed in Kiev Kiev

was a Bandera was a Nazi collaborator

they were marginal they were

marginalization marginal dude they

weren't marginal Bandera was officiated

by this by the Ukrainian government

as a hero

is it a marginal when Bandera is being

officiated let's go through let's go

through the facts let's go through the

facts right sector could only put 300

people on the meter

so you're saying this the whole mate arm

was Nazi right if I agree to you even if

I concede to you

shut the fuck up for a second even if I

conceded to you that right sector only

had 300 people that just refers to the

organized far right and neo-nazis

it doesn't refer to the more ambiguous

ultra-nationalist benderist Neo-Nazi

sentiment finally sorry bro they're

waving your youth legs people were these

were this was a liberal these people

that were supporting a liberal

Revolution they're not 90. why do you

think there's a contradiction between

Western liberalism and Nazism

there isn't

it there isn't no no no no no no

there isn't no no no no no no no sorry I

Misery the Western liberalism and Nazism

are completely opposed

not in Ukraine

they are opposing out in Ukraine nice

it's very soon it's very simple I'll

explain to you I'll explain to you the

logic Russia is like you can like

explain to me why the what why the

Wagner leader groups the leaders of

Wagner have SS tattooed runes on their

neck just explain it even if uh even if

that's true Wagner is not an ultra not

it's not a Neo-Nazi organization period

it's a private military company but one

of the leaders of all have Nazi tattoos

I I don't know if that's true and I

don't know why they I don't know I don't

know I don't know but but Wagner is a

private military

Wagner is a private military contract

it's not a military hey the Wagner group

is not a is not a paramilitary political

force it's a private military

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you can and yes it's fucking completely

it's completely embedded with the

Kremlin

those are Mercenaries

and the Kremlin fucking relies on Nazis

to fight the war in Ukraine rely on a

group that happens to have a prominent

figure who has some questionable tattoos

it's not the same thing as actual

parents

no it's not a Coke it's not a cope

because of the difference between

paramilitary Neo-Nazi organizations and

a private mercenary group that has a

prominent figure who has these tattoos

and yes I've seen the photos

Nazi tattoos on him on himself on his

neck the founder of Wagner it's a Nazi

group

it's one guy

oh my God so if you fund me okay but if

we're talking about asshole you would

find you'd be like this guy has an

Arctic tattoo it's an artist the problem

is that with azov

yeah and he's not the founder he's not

the founder by the way

can you name him what's his name

he's not the founder alongside he

founded it alongside alongside yeah

exactly just keep Shifting the fucking

goal post he's not the founder of the

leader he's neither the founder nor the

leader he's one guy dude Drew Drew Drew

Drew Drew Drew Drew Drew it's one guy if

you're saying oh if I found an asshole

guy the problem Drew is that we don't

just find one guy in the Ukrainian

military who's got the tattoos we find

dozens of them we find hundreds of them

dozens show me show me the dozens go

ahead yes I will

there's so many

don't be the dozens

I'm literally gonna send them to you I'm

gonna send them to your Twitter DM

in what

you're gonna send them to me where

on Twitter DM

okay

yep new not Russian prw captured with

Nazi tattoos on the back here's another

one sending it to you right now

sent

we're talking about the boss of Wagner

having ss tattoos on his neck he's not

the boss of Wagner at all

he's like the boss on the ground I I

obviously agree with you that the Bots

he's really not

okay who is it then

his uh his name is something else who's

the Boss

the the main boss is the Russian

oligarch who's linked to the K who was

like a caterer his name is yevgeni

prigozin that's the main boss I agree

with you there but one of the

co-founders and Main leaders of it is

Dimitri that's uh waffling

nonsense claim

fucking true so this guy is a pow

so this is there's a guy who got

captured yes but here's the problem

this is a person who got supposedly this

is a guy who got captured we're supposed

to trust the Ukrainian military the

problem is that even the Ukrainian

soldiers who have not gotten captured

right who are not fully in the hands of

the Russian military we constantly see

them wearing Neo-Nazi

um symbolism and taxes

I've seen I've seen on Twitter like one

of them like there's one of them

wargaming and they fucking doctor on

like one of the Azo packages how do you

know half of them are doctored it's

extremely proud many of them I've seen

I've seen multiple like takedowns of how

the Russians doctor Nazi flags on

Ukrainian military guys

can you show me this

yes

getting it for you now

thank you so much for the Ray jackson

appreciate you man

foreign

like there's a doctor's adopted one

where zelinsky supposedly holding up

like a soccer soccer jersey

one a zelensky one is one thing but

you're trying to

um you're trying to uh question The

credibility of the various patches and

Tattoos we see on YouTube they are there

they are there but a lot of it is fake

okay show me examples of the fake ones I

don't want to see like a ridiculous

outlier of zelenski

I'm funny

foreign

any case

a paramilitary Neo-Nazi group is not the

same as a private military

uh company

that has it's used as an arm of the

Russian state

but it's not a paramilitary Neo-Nazi

organization

it is a paramilitary and its founder has

Nazi tattoos on his neck that is not the

founder it's one guy and if you actually

look if you look at a lot of the vagina

iconography is so Nazi like for example

they use the sledgehammer as one of

their symbols do you know what that is

from when they fucking beheaded and

sledgehammed one of these Assad Army

deserters like and they put parts of

their videos okay okay okay I mean I

don't know what that has to do with

Nazism

like just a fucking atrocious atrocity

yeah you could see it's a bad thing

according to you and of course me

because YouTube will not allow you to

have a

resting view so of course I agree with

you that's a horrible thing it's a

horrible thing but it's not Nazi

I'm trying I'm trying to find this

debunking thing debunking

wait how do you behead someone with a

sledgehammer by the way I believe they

torture the guy with a sledgehammer

first and then they beheaded him and

then fucking Birds him alive or

something it was about the origin of

Wagner

no that's not the origin of Wagner but

they always use the Sledge Channel

symbol where are you getting that I kind

of I would never deny The credibility of

that claim because you're not allowed to

on YouTube but I am just I want to read

more

I would love to read more on that claim

okay I'll send you I'll send you the

link then

sure there's just so many claims you

make that you can't substantiate it's

just crazy

that you don't know about it

yeah I don't know I would never question

that because you can't

but uh

it just sounds like such a

riveting um

sorry horrible story honestly

um anyway wow and then you'll and then

you're actually like Drew let's we're

focusing on specifics here you're you're

I'm asking you to bring sources

I've just sent you the link

okay

I guess all in

um

I just savagely killed by Putin's

again we're gonna have to get into the

fucking

primary source I mean what is this this

is literally a video of it man I haven't

seen it because I'm not sick but if you

go and watch Wagner did this

yes it's one of those videos that are

very popular on the goal internet I

don't look at that shit because it's

disgusting but everyone knows about it

bro the fucking Wagner guys promote it

themselves they think it makes them look

brutal and sick

okay

um they cut off his hands

okay well the article it's certainly

making that claim and the videos they're

saying the video is there but um I'm

sure if you wanted to I don't know if

you're into the goal shit I'm not I'm

really not I'm really not but uh you're

saying it was a deserter I don't support

torture at all so

yeah neither do I it's disgusting so

yeah but hold on Drew Drew

um you're saying that's the origin of

the use of the sledgehammer as well not

sure yeah oh no no that's the origin of

their use of the sledgehammer as a key

symbol of other okay well

I can't really get into the details of

that story

the

Reuters and they they literally put out

the video on like okay okay all right

sure sure but it's uh not not for the

recent Reuters shit but the thing of the

Assad deserter I mean I can't really

refute the source so I guess I'll just

grant it for purposes of argument but it

still doesn't make them

still doesn't make them Nazi even if

it's horrible but you just said that a

lot of them are doctors hold on what's

the source what what's the source of uh

this

can you click this link

I don't know I think some of your

accounts blocked me let me see

I'm pretty sure I'm both twice America

so this is a video from the Ukrainian

military was this doctored

Samir Khan blocks me so I cannot see

this okay so I'll just tell you

all right what is it

there is an official Source from the

Ukrainian military

of blood rituals going on by the Azog of

Battalion they clearly have the sun

wheel swastikas all over their arms I

just want to know if this is doctored

can you send me the link on

I'm just trying to think how to get it

how I can see it without I'll just log

it on Twitter and quickly uh the link is

on YouTube I'll send it to you right now

no no I I I'll give it to you on YouTube

sure no problem

blood rituals

this this comes back to what look

s certainly sounds like the kind of

schizophascist rhetoric where they're

saying oh you know all the ukrainians

are making blood sacrifices for the

devil and it's all right this is a

paramilitary organization that is

a key part of the Ukrainian military no

such equivalent exists among the

Russians

so what is that

obviously I don't speak Ukrainian so

well just look at the contests and sift

through the video you can check their

arm tattoos

yeah obviously there's a Sonic crowd bro

I'm not denying like that that as of

far-right militia is fucking right true

right I'm not denying I've sinned it

true true

okay

now

yeah Russia does not have an equivalent

of the azov battalion period Well I

would argue that's Wagner

it's not Wagner because if you look at

the atrocities committed

okay I'm not gonna change I'm not going

to entertain a discussion about Wagner's

atrocities and let's say are uniquely

Nazi in nature atrocities uh I doubt

they are okay I I guess

Vlad the Impaler was he a Nazi he killed

a lot he did horrible atrocities I mean

that's just granting you the atrocities

are real which I have to on YouTube of

course I will but um

it doesn't make them Nazi

okay it doesn't key members of the eyes

of Battalion notes key members of the

Wagner group are not

uh one person

who happens to be the fucking he's not

man but he's not the founder that's the

problem

but the problem is he's not the founder

oh well task force research linked to

the Wagner group

advice

holy fuck program the near Nazi militia

cites the torture murder of Ukrainian

prisoners task force the research linked

to the Wagner group advisors 5 is not to

report the capturing Ukrainian Russian

Commanders

a Neo-Nazi Pro criminal group active in

Ukraine is inciting atrocities against

prisoners of war and explicitly happened

you don't have to read the mainstream

media articles really fast it's

literally their telegram channel it's

just summarizing what's on their

telegram Channel

whose telegram Channel

russic

so go to schools telegram channel it's a

Neo-Nazi group linked to the vaginal so

there's a telegram group of a Neo-Nazi

group

Russian that's inciting atrocities on um

their Telegram

yeah

so which proves that there are fucking

Neo-Nazi elements in the Russian

military

so this is the side view support man so

but he's he's his group is not involved

in Russian politics his Rook his group

is not prevalent in Ukraine at all

I'm not sure what the significance of

this group is supposed to be

the ruse group there can say whatever

they want on telegram where are you

getting the idea that these are like a

huge or even significant part of

Russia's military

I'll I'll I mean they literally they

literally

clashed with the leadership of the um

Donetsk People's Republic because of the

official anti-fascism of the Donetsk

People's Republic so this is not

this is not a significant

of course I mean yes there's fucking

schizos of course

of course there's going to be schizos

who fight with each other

yeah yeah that's a word you seem to

appreciate

um a lot it is like it's fucking

schizophrenic it is sure but you

actually in order to claim that

something is irrational or not grounded

in reality

you have to substantiate that and you've

so far I'm sending you a link right now

showing rules it's just linked to Vagner

no you have to substantiate the claim

I'll just send you a link you have to

substantially the claim that rusich is a

significant fighting force

in any capacity

new America Claims it's a Wagner group

contingent

I I don't care if they claim that

they claim it themselves

they claim themselves

does Wagner claim that

I don't know obviously a lot of Wagner's

operations are clouded in secrecy

all I see is a post saying uh

making claims and not substantiating

where where are the tangible connections

to Wagner

where are they I mean I don't even see

these I'm getting them for you now I'm

getting them for you now all right

usage

yeah they've literally been fighting

inside Ukraine for like since 2014.

and you can see some of it Insignia

they've got Nazi symbols on them and

they're all wearing they all got Nazi

tattoos

I'm not denying there's Nazis uh in

Russia but I just don't think that

they are a significant phenomena in

contrast to azov who actually are hugely

significant Force as far as the

Ukrainian military is concerned

holy shit like

so many

holy fuck that's so bad

one of these guys his name is

Alexei milchakov

he says he enjoyed cutting off the ears

of Ukrainian swords and smelling the

scent of burning human flesh and then

there's photos of him cutting off the

ears of the Ukrainian soldiers and then

he's also got he's holding up fucking

swastikas and he's part of

he's part of the fucking detachment

okay you know what

we're gonna go back and forth having to

corroborate all these various claims I'd

rather just get to the fucking point you

just throwing a lot it's like every time

you make a claim we have to spend 45

minutes going down to the rabbit hole

until you just basically come up short

with nothing

so let's get to the fucking voice

here's the photo

you can see the photos this guy with the

remote I don't know what you're look

okay you're sending me a Twitter DM

okay

um

this is not a gory image of what you

just described this is a telegram I

threw them there's four of them guys

he sent me a cartoon he sent me an anime

this is an anime dude what is this sorry

it's fucking wrongly it was the one

immediately delivered immediately part

of that okay I've sent it to you now

immediately prior

yeah I've sent it to you now

this is what I get

what crime no no fucking don't lift go

left scroll through them

nor go to the other one that has the

matching holding up ears my friend fuck

where are the ears

oh here yeah I can't yeah and probably

don't show that because obviously those

are dog ears right

that's fucked up what they're doing in

the dog I don't know who is that that I

don't know what that is it's a photo of

a guy with a knife next to a puppy

is that it yeah it's the fucking it's

the fucking guys from the russet screw

I don't know what why they're holding

they're holding a dog by like its ears

or something they're like holding a dog

by its ears I thought you said they're

holding human ears

he has an interview where he says that

he wanted to help he enjoyed holding it

up cutting off their eggs this isn't TOS

okay

because he's literally just like

the dog is like its head is like this

and he's just like holding its ear like

this it's not even like suspended in

mid-air it's just like he's like holding

it by the ear it's not even in the

middle of the air

he's cutting off the ears my friendly

the same guy he's got yeah he he does

medicine

to the right in one of the photos there

is this like menacing photo of him

holding a dog and like has a knife next

to the dog but he okay but maybe tell

your followers about the context if you

just go to the next one okay the same

guy says he enjoyed cutting off the ears

of Ukrainian soldiers it's smelling the

center okay but these are the guys you

support

notorious uh interview where he said

um well okay but I don't know why you

said there's uh photographic evidence of

this because there isn't

look like the problem you would you

would you would it would be just better

if you just said this guy admitted to

doing these horrible things but when you

try to embellish your claims with like

oh my God this photo is horrible this is

the worst thing I ever saw and it's just

a guy like petting a dog in an awkward

way

the guy says he likes cutting off the

ears of Ukraine soldiers and then

there's photos of him with a massive dog

massively

I think the contexts are very different

though because I'll I'll show you what

he's talking about guys he is talking

about

the interview the guy did the fucking

knife is right next to this is the video

of him in a suit talking to some guy but

Drew is showing me a video of him

I'll show you this is this is

this is one of the things look at him

he's saying no I'm not talking about

that one go to the next one holy shit

I'll show you I'll show the people okay

the fucked one this is this is the one

this is the next one all right on that

one so it's just stupid holy shit

and then the same guy says he likes

cutting off the ears of Ukrainian

soldiers

dude he's and then the same guy's also

he's the fucking Nazi sign he's holy

shit

okay put it down put it down he's

holding the dog in a weird way

um yeah and he's probably Neo-Nazi but

like

you shouldn't have brought it up is what

I'm saying what it's not Material today

I'm proving to I'm showing to you the

guys oh you're hurting your point

horrible lawyer you would be a horrible

lawyer if you would have just said guys

on your side no if you would have just

said that this guy is a Neo-Nazi and he

admitted that he likes cutting

ukrainian's ears off it would have been

enough the dog thing hurts your

credibility because it's a nothing

Burger that's your fucking problem it's

not nothing but

Burger

he's not even cutting yeah man wow

that's so normal yeah dude it's not he's

literally holding a fucking knife to a

dog's head start fucking stop it stop

okay I don't know what's a lot of stop

okay I'm just saying you're just saying

that I'm acting like an idiot like I'm

literally showing you proof this guy's a

fucking cigarette yeah he's holding a

knife to a dog

but you said he was holding human ears

in his hands he wasn't yeah I

I admit I didn't zoom in on the phone

okay

how many donations have you made over

the course of this true true

listen Drew

you this is what your tactic I have a

concrete point I claim that while it may

be true that there are

um Russian neo-nazis who fought in

Donetsk again they were extremely

marginal in no way a significant for us

and they clash and and they came they

butt heads and they conflicted and they

eventually expelled by the donets

People's Republic Authorities on grounds

of the anti-fascist sentiment held

officially by these uh separatist

republics but that's different and then

you mentioned there's a guy in Wagner

with a tattoo okay but that's different

then

he's literally listed as the co-founder

and he's a commander he's an active

Commander even if he was the founder of

Wagner he wasn't even if he was

Wagner

Wagner our mercenaries not a

paramilitary political force oh my God

holy shit Wagner's political party is

what okay what is Wagner's blue Wagner

is like a key arm of the Kremlin

apparatus

political Department what is Wagner's

political party

the United Russia party it's literally

an arm of people no it's not that's not

true in any

real capacity what do you think that

just you just you think that it's

operating independently of what Putin

wants here you're operating in bad faith

I take your concession I'm upgrading in

bad faith are you kidding yes because

you're trying to make an equivalence

you're trying to make here's why I'm

gonna explain this to you drew here's

why it's significant that they're

mercenaries the reason it's significant

they're mercenaries isn't because they

have independence from the Kremlin I'm

not saying they necessarily do

Blackwater doesn't have independence

from Washington either but what's

significant about Wagner being a

mercenary group is that they are hired

primarily or solely because of their

military utilitarian expertise they are

not a paramilitary force fulfilling an

independent political goal so their

beholdeness to the Kremlin is actually

an indictment on your argument not mine

they are being hired to carry out in a

utilitarian way the aims of the Kremlin

government

um no not their own aims so the private

beliefs

the private beliefs

the private beliefs of one of the guys

in Wagner is immaterial as far as the

function the Wagner group performs

they're not April military group period

so are you fucking dumb okay not gonna

address my argument that's fine look at

look at that much they're the ones doing

all the fighting it's Wagner they are up

element paramilitary organization

they started off as a mercenary group it

is now basically one of Putin's private

paramilitaries you know what a political

paramilitary

it's a paramilitary formed and operated

at the direction of puji through Krugers

in one of the top oligarchs do you know

what a political paramilitary group is

okay tell explain to me the big

definition the big difference so if you

have a political party sometimes

political parties have paramilitary

wings

Wagner is not the paramilitary wing of

any political party it is a mercenary

group because

in Russia the political structure is so

fucked that basically there are 100

Elites who run the country and nothing

else

the entire political structure is not a

Neo-Nazi paramilitary group as of his

period

Wagner is a paramilitary have you seen

that episode of SpongeBob where it's

like the fucking Mantra of Raymond cut

you off right there I'm just gonna say

look I'm not saying dude shut up shut up

shut up shut up shut up take it shut up

military a paramilitary neonatsu group

is a group whose founding goal and

purpose is to carry out Neo-Nazi

political goals that is not Wagner just

because there are people in Wagner who

have privately beliefs that lead them to

have these tattoos doesn't mean the

group fulfills the function of

fulfilling Neo-Nazi political goals

okay let me ask you a question very very

obvious because

the goals of the Russians hey Drew

Hitler wanted you crazy Joe

are there Nazi skinheads in the U.S

military

yes

that make the U.S sorry a Neo-Nazi

paramilitary group

no

but the founder of Wagner has Nazi

tattoos but he's not the founder

but He's listed as one of the

co-founders what about the founders of

NATO

were they were there neo-nazis involved

in the founding of NATO

I know that there were some

rehabilitated Nazis in the founding of

nature

which is better right you would

characterize NATO as a as a Nazi

organization

because it doesn't carry out new Nazi

goals but but vadney is carrying out

Nina Nazi gold which is the complete

elimination of a sovereign country and

the elimination of the Ukrainian ethnic

group subordinating so America committed

Neo-Nazi goals when it carried out the

elimination of the sovereign country of

Iraq

under Saddam and Libya under Gaddafi

I I just I disagree with the Iraq War

but you wouldn't characterize it as Nazi

would you and I and I and while I hate

Gaddafi I admit I agree that the Libyan

intervention was wrong but you wouldn't

characterize it as a nazia

there's no no moral equation between the

Iraq War and the Russians in the Ukraine

true I want you to think about just how

profoundly stupid the statement you just

made is Iraq is a country halfway across

the world that poses no immediate threat

to the lives of American citizens

Ukraine is literally on Russia's border

and is about to join a military Alliance

that was founded to destroy Russia or

the Soviet Union it was founded for that

Express purpose Iraq is halfway across

the world it was never attacking any

Americans it had nothing to do with

America's Affairs

you're right you're right drew the

reason you're right the reason you're

right

the reason you're right that there's no

equivalence is because of how much worse

and how much more immoral oh that's the

invasion of Iraq was it is a different

threat here's the difference right

the the U.S tortured Iraqis in prisons

as seen in abigrae it was sick what

happened the guy is responsible for the

torture were published all across the

press in America and they actually went

to prison

all the guys responsible for torture and

murder in Ukraine are being celebrated

they give the guy that I referred to to

you before the guy with the Nazi ruins

on his neck he was given the one of the

Russia's highest honors

you know about Abu garib because it was

sensationalized in U.S media and that's

how you know about it but I guarantee

you the overall majority of atrocities

committed by U.S troops in Iraq went

unpunished and we don't know about them

Assange disclosed some of them those

people didn't face a trial at least

until they were disclosed involuntarily

by Assange and Wikileaks so you're wrong

no the perpetrators of atrocities and

war crimes in Iraq did not in fact in

the main receive Justice

um

that was publicized right for whatever

reason but that was just the one that

was published do you think the tariffs

do you think the torture cells that the

Russians have set up for kids and

civilians in Ukraine do you think

they're going to be publicized in the

Russian media ever

I I agree with you they won't be

publicized in the Russian media and um

they probably won't be publicized in um

physical reality either

I mean they're being publicized in the

free independent press in the

imagination of

brain propagandists I agree

I mean

there

the difference is the rule of law

those who've been found have committed

terrible atrocities in and torture in

Iraq water

yeah they actually should have been like

you know okay because they were found

they were found to have committed these

crimes

they were found to have committed the

crimes their crimes were publicized and

they didn't face Justice and they should

have they should I don't care what do

you think they should have I want to

talk about reality Harry he's a fuck for

you did you know that Eric Prince has

been an actual advisor to the Chinese

government on wiggas on their repression

of weeds they've actually gone to

Blackwater they've actually been

inspired by the same horrible tactics

used by the worst people in the West

I I don't I disagree I think that Eric

Prince

again

um

xinjiang training agreement with the

police

sorry okay so even if he's the thing

okay so he's like entertained he's

saying back on the China stuff you may

say that there's this concerted

narrative by the Western Elites to try

and like try and slander so you just

shout and make claims and I can't

address them that's how you're gonna do

this no I'm just saying I'm just saying

if you look at for example Eric Prince

being involved in the week of in the

uyghur genocide it shows that massive

amounts of the western Elite us are

horrible and they should be opportunity

shut up dude shut up

one at a time one at a time

Drew I wasn't aware there was a genocide

going on in xinjiang can you educate me

as to the genocide going on in xinjiang

yeah sure they've actually they've

actually through birth suppression so

through suppression of the week at birth

rate they've actually managed to have a

95 population growth drop in the

province it's fucking horrible is that

population drop is that does that

population drop correlate that's a drop

in population growth rage

because you won't shut the fuck up does

that population yeah

shut the fuck up does that population

drop correspond and correlate with the

general Trends in the population of

China

that happens yes it does no but this is

the difference or if you look at the

data it's the population drop has only

been concentrated in weaker areas in

xinjiang so the Han ethnic minority

engine that's not true there has been a

drop in birth rates

among all of the ethnicities that live

in xinjiang and throughout all of China

mostly

the fertility rate but not 95 but hold

on the fertility rate

no that's not true the fertility rate it

is

not the fertility rate I've been through

this before the fertility rate in

xinjiang is not even

uh the lowest

in China right there are regions in

China and there's ethnicities in China

that are growing at a much slower rate

than

the oyers and uh by the way Jackson's

also pointing out

the oyer population didn't have the one

child policy so it actually grew at a

much faster rate in the Han Chinese for

decades now recently and now and now

they've succeeded in 95 populations it's

not a 95 population I'm sending you the

light much lighter stats these are

actually it's not a 95 listen to

yourself you're saying 95 of oy girls

are gone it's not true no no no

population growth so population growth

has dropped so you're saying the

fertility rate has dropped 95 I doubt

yes in five years I doubt that but look

at regardless the reason the reason why

hold on the reason why there has been a

slowing of the fertility rate in

xinjiang is for the same reason there

was a slowing of the fertility rate in

any other Asian country because with

development Economic Development and

modernization comes people

it's full sterilization

the Chinese Embassy in the us posted the

study shows that in the process of

eradicating streamers in the minds of

weaker women's in January men's and

making them no longer no I can't I can't

keep up with you when you when you um

mumbling off

psychopedic memory okay I don't want to

do Mumble rap with you

okay don't want to do Mumble rap I'll

send you the sources source for Force

sterilization here right

where well that those are the Chinese

government's own statistics the one I

just sent you where did you just send me

I sent it to you on Twitter

on Twitter

you sent me nothing on

okay

in in contrivable proof China is

committing genocide

in xinjiang according to the Chinese

government statistics population growth

rate and xinjiang drop 95 percent

from

11.13 in 2017 to 0.56

so I want you

I doubt you're interpreting this

correctly

oh it's the wrong thing hold up

I don't know why it's on

um

okay

I don't know why you're uh

you're um pointing this out

when it's very open I don't know why

you're pointing this out hold on hold on

dude

okay dude look at the total

look at the total whatever number this

is I can't read Mandarin I don't read

Mandarin but this number as a whole says

5.9 dude

shut up

for two seconds

oh my God man actually I fucking ride

your shoes actually just shut up I hate

your fucking clock voice shut the fuck

up with your story for two seconds for

two seconds you have such low

testosterone like an estrogen riddle no

bitch you can't shut the fuck up for two

seconds

dude shut up dude you know what I'm

muting him just shut up for two seconds

okay

this says 5.9 okay it says that's the

title

the Chinese total birthday I'm muting

the I'm muting you on the end of the

audience so no one can hear you

so this says five so everyone can hear

like I can get out a sentence okay

5.9 for the entirety of China goes down

for some mysterious reason to point

three percent I find that to

does that mean all of China is

undergoing a genocide

think about it

this region right here is 8.34

and it halved to 4.31 okay

you see reductions in whatever I don't

know what this is in Mandarin I can't

read Mandarin I don't know what this is

actually saying

but um

clearly

there's a general decline okay

throughout all of China

very clear

patient efforts and I can send that to

you yourself

um the availability of birth control is

not evidence of genocide

no no no no we're talking sterilization

there are so many testimonies of weaker

women being sterilized in fact I met I

met someone who was herself sterilized

just last month a week ago in Australia

hold on what are you saying

I'm saying there's there's so much

testimony first-hand testimony from

uyghurs who've themselves been tested

who themselves have been sterilized and

I met a weaker woman just last month in

Australia who was herself sterilized

was she part of the etim actually she

she wasn't weaker she was Kazakh that's

the only reason she was able to get out

of the campus Because she was Kazakh

you met a Kazakh woman who was forcibly

sterilized

yes where did you meet her

in Canberra Australia where

she she came as part of a delegation to

speak to Australian politicians about

the the atrocities on behalf of what

organization

on behalf of the the uyghur women's

Association of South Australia

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and then you're gonna like enter I know

the weaker women's Association of South

Australia you're going to try though

it's like five weeks that's what

everyone's in your comment section

Australian oyger tangritag women's

organization

yes

is this a separatist organization

like

they don't they they are just advocating

the end of the genocide

then why do they have the flag of East

turkistan as their profile picture

because every single

every single uses that flag as a symbol

of national pride because of the

terrorism is it a symbol of national

pride or is it a symbol of the idea of

an East turkistan State

national pride

the weaker blue blue sky flag has always

been used by the wings yes eat this East

turkistan flag has always been used by

the oyers

yes

thank you

the flag was originally used as the

short-lived uh Breakaway state known as

the first

and then it's become a symbol of

national pride but you said it's always

been used

even outside

so what flag do the weakers use other

than that one then

what do you suggest that the diaspora

organizations uses their flag the

Chinese flag

probably they're their own fucking

independent people probably not a

separatist flag for an independent they

literally they aren't into dependent

people okay what what came up let me ask

you a question can I ask you a question

bring Jackson into Egypt because he's

fucking dummies

what came first

reports of a um

of this genocide that's going on a

simple question

reports of a genocide going on in

xinjiang or

East turkistan separatism which came

first

the genocide

when was the first report this is

something this is something that you're

probably not familiar with because you

haven't read the books about it but like

holy shit man like the uyghurs have been

repressed for decades now decades even

before the genocide

in 2017 there was an intensification

into something more concrete I don't

want to Waffle around with vague claims

from 1949 onwards it's been in a

part-time State okay but my questions

I'm a retard okay

Drew if you think that's somehow a way

to like discredit you want to debate

yourself can I debate or you want to

debate yourself you didn't sound like a

fucking three-year-old okay do you want

to debate yourself okay

Drew when were the first reports

available to Western viewers about a

so-called oyer genocide can you name me

the date at which

okay when where did we start seeing

reports of a oyer genocide 2017 when the

concentration camps became well known

that's not even true by the way because

all your separatists have been making

that claim for a while but I can

guarantee to you you will not find

that's why it became public conscious

that's when it began known in the public

consciousness

can I finish what I was going to say or

do you not want me to finish my sentence

okay

what I'm trying to get at you is that

there has been an agenda and an Endeavor

of oyer separatism that long predates

all of these hysterical claims you're

getting and those claims it is not

irrational to deduce

come from the institutional agenda that

comes at least let's just start with

East turkistan separatism before we talk

about the Ned before we talk about the

CIA before we talk about any of that

let's just start with the political

agenda of East Turkestan separatism that

has been going on for since the Sinnoh

Soviet split at the very least when the

Soviet Union was funding

the weakest have wanted to Independence

since the Chinese came in well that's

not true because the only patron of oyer

separatism were the Russians and the

Soviets okay they were patrons of oyster

separatism and the etim if you don't

know this started out as a Marxist

leninist organization loyalty the

etim like Bailey functions it barely

exists today

it's a figment it's a figment of well

there is no easy there was no there was

no East turkistan Independence Movement

uh

that existed outside of either the etim

or the later Islamic fundamentalist

Splinter groups that's a lie so name me

some are you kidding

as a distinct people and culture for

like a thousand years so and and

contrary to your stupid claim that

they've always

have never been have never been deprived

of the right to have a separate culture

um they literally are being they're

doing that that's what the China

government's doing right now

I don't believe that

okay then why has every single we the

novelist been arrested entertained in

concentration camps every single oyer

what

bait almost every single uighur

prominent author cultural leader has has

been taken to the camps

like for example for example I've got a

very good I've got a very good example

for you right there's a really good book

I encourage you to read it it's a it's a

it's the first uighur novel translated

into English it's not it's a novel by

this guy called per hat person now

perhap to a song Greek Drew are you

Greek

he clashed with the Islamic

fundamentalist uyghurs so they hated

this guy because I'm gonna have to meet

you I'm trying to explain okay no you're

not because I'm gonna hold you to your

premises like in a Socratic Greek way

because you're supposed to be Greek

you're supposed to be good at this right

so here's the thing Drew

you just said that every single

prominent cultural figure

uh within xinjiang has been detained and

he said for example and you want to name

a Guan guy so you have a really good

example okay but the problem is

the problem it drew but for you to

fulfill the premise and the proposition

that every single uh publicist is 90

rather than every single

even if it's not even if it's a majority

of them are being detained yeah I should

have said the vast majority rather than

everything okay but you can't say here's

an example and then say one incident you

have to if you wanna if you want to give

if you want to give me an example of

that extremely

um Grand claim you have to give me some

kind of Statistics or some kind of

concrete data confirming that

but I want to give you two really good

examples first

so and I sure I agree I should have said

every single one I should have said the

vast majority because it is the vast

majority because once I explain this

story to you you will understand so

firstly there's this guy perhapsulin

he's a modernist he clashes with the

Islamic fundamentalist uyghurs all the

time they fucking hate him

I'm giving you an example this guy has

been detained by the Chinese authorities

alongside the so-called terrorists and

the Islamic extremists this is their

narrative alongside the guys that they

arrest is this guy who's a modernist

writer who who the Islamic

fundamentalists fucking hate and who he

and he writes about like he writes about

gender like he writes about sexuality in

a way that they don't like this guy's

like the furthest thing you could

actually have from an Islamic

fundamentalist that the actual Islamic

fundamentalist inside is turkistan

inside xinjiang I hate this guy and that

he's as well why is he rounded up

because the dog is barking because

you're making a an irrelevant Point okay

let me speak for the dog right now

because he knows you're speaking Jibber

Jabber I'll explain why I'll explain why

we just said is Jibber Jabber okay so

the reason today for the majority of

oyer separatism is rooted in Islamic

fundamentalism but the reason the

Chinese government is cracking down on

it isn't necessarily because it's

Islamic because for the majority of its

existence East turkistan separatism was

actually at at least secular but

probably atheist really because it was

Marxist leninist funded by the Soviet

Union China doesn't care if separatists

are Islamic fundamentalists or if

they're Marxist leninists or if they're

any religion or if they're atheists

that's not what's material to the

Chinese government what's material to

the Chinese government is whether or not

they're separatists who want to violate

the territorial sovereignty of the

People's Republic of China

so why is it that the Chinese government

rounds up the youngest the kids why is

it that they round up people in their

80s I've got a weaker friend in Adelaide

I don't believe I don't believe that

it's fucking true but I don't I'm not

convinced that I'm referencing to you

but I'm not convinced that happens Drew

and if you tell me there's testimonies

if you're telling me that there's these

people you've met who are part of a

separatist organization it's not really

strong credible evidence I don't really

believe that I don't think it's credible

evidence I've met I've met innocent

people who are not separatists

whatsoever this guy however this guy put

her son who that rounded up he was known

for writing love poetry and the Islamic

fundamentalists in the weird Community

hated this guy because he wrote about

sex and stuff like that

I don't care

you met innocent oyers who are not

uh who are not part of the East

Turkestan movement can you recall these

stories for us please

their family members got contacted by

the Chinese police

you know what's interesting is that it's

pretty much standard practice in a

communist country to get questioned when

you have relatives involved in

anti-state activities but for a

government that's engaging hold on for a

government that's engaging in genocide

for a government that's rounding up

children for a government that's

imprisoned

for a government that's imprisoning 90

or a vast majority of oyer writers and

novelists it's uh it's kind of

interesting how

the government is only questioning the

relatives of actual active separatists

who are attending I don't just question

them the guy ended up having more than

20 of his family members retired

what do you mean by detained for

questioning or what

no like fucking disappear into the camps

yes so they're where are they now

in the in the camp somewhere in the gold

like some of them may not be alive

I don't do I have to believe that or

sure don't believe it don't believe it

because I don't know

all right you're literally throwing your

friends where are these camps what are

you mean by camps because the only

evidence

the reason I'm smiling the reason I'm

smiling because I've researched this

topic extensively the only camps I've

ever been pointed at

where vocational training centers for

jobs that are temporary that don't last

but those don't last years

the people it lost for years and some of

the people that get out if you want to

say they've just been imprisoned say

they went to prison but when you say

they went to the camps what do you mean

the camps what do you mean they go to

the camps and then they're not heard

from do you mean there's lots of

vocational

some of them are transferred some of

them are transported into forced labor

some of them are taken to regular

prisons so let's go back to the

community on that really strict house so

where where is the forced labor

happening

all across China people it's not

necessarily in xinjiang they've been

they've been proven cases what about the

ones in xinjiang because I can't I mean

some of these ones some of these ones

they actually built they build factories

on the campgrounds this is satellite

imagery

so these are not just factories uh that

have campus housing these are not just

vocational training centers these are

actual just forced concentration labor

camps

yes based on what evidence

there's a satellite imagery of hundreds

of these concentration camps so I don't

deny their satellite imagery of schools

hospitals prisons

I didn't deny those photos exist I just

deny that they're what you're saying

they are hurry hurry hurry in Australia

we've got a very good vocational

training system called Tafe when I if I

wanted to go down to Tafe and learn a

trade like you know become a plumber et

cetera why the no fucking guard towers

outside the vocational training since

wasn't a fucking reason it's probably

not a prison I have prisons have guard

towers so there's probably satellite

footage of either prisons or maybe

military

shows like dark Towers you you can see

the shade the shade okay

you see the god Tower okay I'm not

denying that you can find satellite

images of guard towers and xinjiang I

just think guard towers don't

exclusively fulfill the function of

being genocidal concentration camps

um yes which ones

the vocational training centers there

are um

they're not prominent anymore but years

ago who told you who told you you could

leave

well there's different kinds some of

them are streaming some are strictly

voluntary

um but others others are tied to

de-radicalization and de-extremism

programs okay so what's your source for

this

I researched it extensively and I've had

this debate before okay you've

researched it extensively is it Chinese

government news articles

no it was the actual only primary source

evidence we could find primary source

yeah primary source

where are you getting where are you

getting that

um the vocational training centers are

all forced forced

like I just typed in satellite imagery

camps in James but the satellites are

not telling us okay I have to explain

this to you another thing okay I know I

don't know

look satellite I don't want to do the

ancient Greek thing but satellite images

I have to explain to you logic satellite

images don't tell us

anything about who's forced and who's

all satellite images tell us is that

this infrastructure for these buildings

exist what the function the buildings

serve first of all is not even

inherent in the image let alone the

relations of aweson and um

how you know people are controlling the

freely man they're free to leave it's a

vocational training center they just

fucking barbed wire everywhere it's so

interesting isn't it you've got

vocational training can you show me that

image

so so Harry if you wanted to maybe stop

being a streamer and become a you know a

plumber or learn a trade you know they

make a lot of money these days if you go

to the vocational training centers in

Michigan is it going to look like this

I don't know what that is

just type in Camp zinjang guard towers

and there's hundreds of images

all right Drew I I have a rebuttal to

that

I have a rebuttal to that yeah what's

the rebuttal your friend has told you

something to say oh no I have a really

good rebuttal ready yes if what you're

saying about the vocational training

centers is true why do they look like

this

uh so funny so funny fucking hell why do

they look like this

look at this Drew look at this

talking about concentration camps in

which a million people are held is

really funny isn't it

do you believe the Holocaust happened

Harry yes I do

um

but I do believe it

but it's I don't know why you bring it

you just lost the questions so right

okay

um I don't think youth why do you think

China's carrying out a holocaust

people are dying in the camps

people die in U.S prisons as well

this was this actual image which has

been become infamous and it's that's an

actual prison of people in prison but

that was actually released by the

Chinese government itself

okay you know what time to expose the

American gen

I'm doing it you know what there's an

American genocide

what is this Drew

huh what is this uh what about what

about what about America what about this

what is this Drew what is it yeah it's

bad it's bad America what is this Drew

what is this show me tell me what this

is I don't know if you understand I

don't know if you understand Harry but

America's really bad over and

constellation problem which is racist

but no one's saying it's a genocide it

actually doesn't it actually doesn't

actually

indemnify the Chinese government from

perpetrating the same crimes not sure if

that's you can you can disagree with

China's prison system because that by

the way that image you showed me is

completely irrelevant as far as China's

D extremism and de-radicalization

programs it's just an ordinary prison

prisons have always existed in China

um it's there's nothing they've actually

got 380 facilities logged

but not facilities that you just showed

me because that's just an ordinary

prison in China that you showed me and

you said it's a concentration camp it's

not well that was the weirdest they said

this isn't really yeah

show me where China said that image is a

vocational training center

let's do it let's do it I've done this

before Drew I don't want you to

embarrass yourself so

please be my guest

I'm getting it up for you right now

uh because that's the thing I'm not sure

if you actually know that they the

Chinese government released that image

they're happy with what they're doing

they promote it

yeah because it's a fucking prison

yeah they said it's vocational education

told me where they said that image is a

vocational training center

I will

the photo was posted to the WeChat

account of the xinjiang judicial

Administration and shows we get detained

listening to a de-radicalization speech

at a camp in hotel and prefix so just

link give me the link

you know

okay

oh yeah that's really funny isn't it

what the Americans are doing

to the wow look what's going on to

America why don't you just go here if

you had America so much in America I'm

saying it's a genocide right

yeah

why do you why do you that's a good

question sorry if you hide America so

much water I don't hate America I'm just

asking if you support this

oh it's so funny yeah

is this bad or not

yeah

very funny man

like holy shit man like it is actually

like one of the worst crimes against

humanity today and they're supposed to

be your Muslim brothers and sisters it's

actually fucking really sad

uh

I don't believe

yeah because you're like you're the

sources you're listening to are trying

to cover propaganda So when you say to

me or what are your thoughts I can go oh

that's all the energy that's all the uh

I just haven't been confronted with like

incredible

which is just like how can that be um I

just don't have a reason to think

they're lying about it but what is this

guard Tower why why do you think if they

were doing it they would be happy to

tell them

just guard time wow so funny man yeah

yeah

no you it's not that's actually Harry

that is actually fucking dumb because

that doesn't actually explain why

they're a guard Tower that's not

vocational training centers in China I

don't understand well you haven't

demonstrated their vocational training

center oh I found it I found it found

the source beautiful this is literally

the WeChat the original WeChat I'll send

it to you over the uh Zoom

okay

what am I supposed to

I don't know Google Translate

I just want everyone to

as ready

Cruise evidence that photo is

ready oh wait the link doesn't work oh

okay sorry I'll get the better length

your evidence

what

although the link doesn't work

what can I do with this

I found it for you I've got the actual

thing now

I've got I've got the link now

it's loading up it's web archive

obviously you're gonna have to use

Google Translate because neither nicely

rich

yep

all right

all right

it yeah it's literally everyone had come

come downstairs and came here to speak

to one of us speak to the radicalization

propaganda propaganda group of the

judicial Department yeah it's literally

that's what it is

this is the original

let me see

that's where the images came from knock

on door

uh okay

what is this where is this from

this is this is the original WeChat post

that they posted in 2017 that's where

the world got the image

well this is immediate well this is

reposted on on end archived

but the problem is that okay here's the

problem okay can I translate it's his

name is shitting information

okay but the actual text who's shitting

inside can you give me the primary

source for the text

yeah

I'll get the screenshot of the if you

want I'll get the screenshot of the

WeChat for you

okay

oh yeah okay here you go here are the

screenshots if you want screenshots if

this isn't good enough for you but it's

the exact same text

see this see this photo right here

is like of oyers right

clearly Quakers sitting around with

Chinese

right but

can't really explain who these people in

how it's related yes like but it says in

the textile articles we've come to

listen to the radicalization what is

this even showing because this is a

crowd of prisoners right but this is a

crowd of people with hats on and there's

women here and they're not wearing

uniforms so like yeah

I gathered everyone in the readings but

these are crowds of people

right not being detained who are in

uniform and then this is a prison so why

are you why are you showing me a fucking

prison

I've just sent you I've sent you another

link

is Twitter dude

sorry

well the problem is you don't speak

Chinese but if you send it to one of

your Chinese friends like if you

actually analyze like the Chinese it's

not a primary source it's a fucking

fucking is because it's the original

photo and if you translate the Chinese

there it says re-education Center dude I

have no reason to show me that where

this is a screenshot

this is a guy named Timothy posting the

same yeah he's the he's the guy you

might recall that he was used as a

reference I know and that really yeah

yeah so he clearly is unbiased he

doesn't have an agenda Timothy's

definitely just a scholar but Timothy

here

um

but

but where's the evidence I don't

understand the evidence what is he it's

actually it's actually in the characters

above the door

okay what do the characters say

that's what reads out re-education

so are we doing this now

what you said what does the character

say above the door

it says for education

are you sure

this is what this is what the article

says read the article I said standard

for this is not standard for a

rehabilitation center

I've sent you the article the dudes do

you think a rehabilitation center is the

same as a vocational

Training Center

I don't know if you're going to say that

then I've given you the take I've given

you everything I've given you like the

original text of what was posted on the

WeChat I've given you so much

information to prove it and you're just

all you'll all you want to know is all

you want to read is Chinese government

propaganda so what can I what can I say

I do

yeah apparently the shiny speakers who

said it's the fourth Education and

Training Center

so there's no reason there's no

re-education

Education and Training Center vocational

training center

it says Education and Training Center

according to a Chinese guy in my channel

but that actually proves it though right

because you've got all these guys in

jumpsuits and an educational training

center and there's fucking guards

everywhere and there's Bob Dwight and

there's guard towers

Education and Training Center doesn't

mean this is the same as the vocational

training centers in xinjiang

require your nitpicking so much like I

don't know what more you can have the

original photo is of people in basically

a vocational slash re-education campus

I'm going to show you something and the

guard Powers everywhere and there's

guards with dogs and there's probably

gonna show you something

ready

true

this

yes it's U.S prisoners being forced to

make no it's not it's not it's not isn't

it I thought I thought that's what you

want to talk talk to me about no it's

not what is this what is it

yeah is this not U.S prisoners who have

to make they don't they don't there are

voluntary

vocational programs that prisoners can

participate in it doesn't make them the

same thing as trade school

that look no no what I'm saying is like

non-prisonment

Chinese prisoners Chinese prisoners

could be attending education centers

um

that doesn't mean that's the same as

uh standard vocational training centers

in xinjiang but I have been told that

this image is of a drug rehab this is

from a drug rehab that is a fucking lie

it's a re-education facility

and what I was going to say earlier I

was going to say earlier of course there

are U.S prisons that actually basically

Force the inmates into Force labor and

they get like 60 cents an hour that's

also fucking horrible and it the the

existence of terrible stuff occurring in

the United States doesn't mean that the

Chinese government isn't doing terrible

stuff against uyghurs and I don't

understand no that's not what I'm saying

I'm not saying anything terrible I'm

just saying that it's not out of the

ordinary for prisoners to be offered

uh Education and Training and that

doesn't you can't use an example as a

prisoner but Harry

why don't you like like what give me a

source that disproves the Chinese just

give me a sauce that's not the Chinese

government that shows that it's not

genocide that shows that these people

are all actually that shows all these

people who've been rounded up like a

million or more they're all guilty like

show me give me a good source on this

that's not the fucking Chinese

but like like you you say you've done

all this research that disproves the

genocide this proves the terrible stuff

that's happening yeah yeah like for

example

or the fucking Chinese government

no there's a there are various talking

points that people who try to spread

this narrative make

that turn out to not

um

be sustainable

like I'm asking you like you said you've

done research that disproves everything

I'm saying I'm saying like Okay give me

something like give me a good source

where I can read about it that proves

what I'm saying is wrong and just make

sure it's not a Chinese government prove

a negative but if you make a specific

claim I probably

but you're making the claim that you're

making a claim that like the weakers are

not being mistreated you'll make a claim

that there is no like like you're

basically I'm actually not making any

claims I'm just rejecting that The

credibility of ones that you're making

there's a big difference like okay like

is there not okay you would disagree

with my claim that there's persecution

of the week is correct

uh that's a very vague word I don't know

what you mean

okay like like so okay just explain to

me then give me your narrative like what

has happened to the weakers explain

what's happening I think China about

half a decade ago or even a decade ago

was extremely concerned about oyer's

separatism extremism and terrorism

and so a lot of harsh security measures

were implemented in xinjiang

um a lot of surveillance was implemented

to crack down on it and this lasted for

a few years

uh at which point it

the the harshness of the security

measures have been extremely laxed right

now because can you

respond to these claims and

if it's just if it is just if it is just

an effort to control like Vega

radicalism weaker separatism can you

explain to me why like weaker cultural

sites have demonstrably been bulldozed

like why do they do that if it's not and

which ones which one so many I could

give you I can give you a list right now

like moths that have been bulldozed

cultural sites that have been bulldozed

like I keep swimming so much right now

so me okay I'll get them up now

what times did they bulldoze the mosque

with a sledgehammer or

very funny man ha ha ha

trying to find it

remember

you have to show me it was a mask

right don't just show me a satellite of

a building that used to be there and

wasn't there

uh how many mosques are in xinjiang

compared to America

more or less

you think

what about Europe as a whole the entire

European continent

I don't know how many mosques there are

in Europe so I couldn't tell you you

know how many are in xinjiang

thousands upon thousands

a little more

ten tens of thousands potentially yes

okay

but the fact that

if they're targeting some of the top

cultural sites

which top culture oh I'm getting them up

for you I'm getting them up for you

for the the head of the ethic f

well head of the ethnic and religious

Affairs Committee in kashgar said that

70 of the mosque in the city had been

demolished

some were unnecessary they say so I'm

getting these up for you

like one of the most brutal things of

the destruction of weeded graveyards

like those that's so sick that stuff

like explain to me like we'll go back to

the Moss thing but like just why do they

have to build those mosques and

graveyards if it's just an effort to

control separatism and and extremism I

don't believe China is bulldozing masks

I would at least renovating

placing them

they are bulldozing wigamots

I don't think

it is

are being

bulldozed and destroyed rather than

renovated and updated with new

masks

so like what if fucking Nazi Germany had

come into

some fascist regime comes into Italy

just bulldozers of the Vatican to say oh

we're going to build a new one like is

that acceptable

it wouldn't be possible because the

Vatican supported Hitler but

yeah true I actually agree with you on

that but

all right so

okay he's a good one I've got one here

for you

like they're good there's little

side-by-side photos right now that just

demonstrate complete destruction of

cultural sites

am I gonna have to question the

satellite photos

it's not even a satellite photo like

these these are photos right up

all right

let's go

what is this Hut

you can say it's a fucking hot man it's

it's very important

well holy fuck like

you claim to be Antonio do you think

this is like

you think this is like uh

is this a before and after photo because

it looks the same in both photos

it's a worn down

I won't call it a hut I'll call it a

worn down built

someone said it's basically the Vatican

yeah I mean okay this is a worn down

building that does look like it's made

of uh

a very

um older type of material

and then

it had a lot of uh

flags on it before and then it

had nothing on it

but it doesn't look like this is the

aftermath of anything getting bulldozed

it looks the same I've got I've gotta

here it is

Chinese government's 2004 economic

centers identified more than 24 000

moskins in Jang

we use satellites before and after

because I don't I don't know what

happened here

all right

all right well yeah like like for

example like this Shrine has just been

completely wiped out before and after I

can't hold on no one can see this

switch

all right again it's okay more satellite

photo great

um show me the satellites dude show me

okay I'll send them through

I'll just show it on your phone

so what I was just what I was trying to

get what I was trying to show was that

Imam Ashton Shrine which has been

bulldozed

what is it called

the Imam asked him shrine

send it over Twitter

yeah yeah

isn't that the one I just saw

no I sent you more this is the Imam Asim

Shrine right yeah and this imagery is

better imagery of it I I have the better

imagery

uh horrible before it's actually scary

look at this

holy fuck

all right you know what I kind of do

lose

well honestly this

yeah this is industry look at all these

what what one are you talking about

who's just

totally raised from the ground they took

all the fences all the wooden fences are

gone now

totally destroyed

no I'll tell you the difference there's

a festival going on in this one and then

there's no Festival going on in this one

and that's just about the only thing I

see I don't really see a destroyed any

more destroyed than it was before

why is this this isn't destroyed dude

it's not like it's like

you know what I mean okay

I've got a better further okay

you're deliberately finding like a shit

photo and then you're I've got a better

photo I'll show you this fucking result

what the fuck

foreign

wait apparently my chat is saying it's

not the same place

is it not the same place

what one

that that those weren't even the same

place it's just one of them showed a Hut

and the other ones

they're not even the same place

dude I don't this is so ambiguous like

we should actually debate about

something we can debate about not these

vague folks I've got fucking evidence

right here I'll literally send you

through the photos I'll send you through

the photos now all right send me the I

wanted want to debate

uh Maga communism

well debate my communism soon but I I

will just quickly send through better

photos

oh okay I've literally got I've

literally got proof that it has been

bulldozed okay I'm sending it through

the zoom send it show it to your fucking

audience

and I'll just send it on Twitter because

please

how many people are still watching at

this point

waiting

I'm putting it up

all right I'm sending you three images

show it to the audience it's fucking you

can't prove you can't say anything in

the face of it

so

much

okay this one shows the shrine below

those

okay

which which one well

you could the one with the flags

obviously

you're sending me a lot of stuff okay

what are the sources

okay the flags one that demonstrates the

fucking destruction

all right let me see it doesn't look

like

all right well but that okay fighting

I don't dude I don't know what this is

or what I'm looking I don't know what

it's cool though it is like fucking

undeniable that it's been bulldozed by

the Chinese government so why is that

it's one of the things

I'm not an expert on architecture it

just looks like this is a pile of sand

men like it's you're just pulling to the

same trap as all the other new

colonialists thinkers you go like well

it's just you know it literally is just

a pile of sand that yeah it's Apollo

saying after they destroyed it

dude the wind could destroy this all

right I don't know what this is I don't

even know what I'm looking at here this

is your argument what a dude what is

this this is your argument

they're just they just fucking destroyed

one of the top weakest rhymes for no

reason

all right are you really gonna say this

is one of the top oyer shrines it

literally is

I I really just doubt that I'm sorry I

just doubt that

it's well it's just sad that you're

gonna go oh well it's not it wasn't

you're not the sourcing you're not

sourcing any of your claims they just

seem implausible it's just like why

would why should we believe this

time why should we believe this is their

number one Shrine dude why should we

believe that

I

don't know

yeah it is that is a fact it's important

in wheat culture and then they destroyed

it to to like punish the week why should

we believe

why should we believe your narrative is

true

it's true dude for at least 450 years

decide how Jordan Pilgrims from across

the expanse of of altit Shaha the

southern half of what is now known

variously these photos are like do you

think in court this would hold up I

don't even know if this is the same

place this is literally how do I know

this is the same place how do I know

this isn't just erosion how do I know

this wasn't just something natural that

happened I don't know anything

it's not the shrine is the shrine is

supposed to be the tomb to the uyghur

figure in history who brought Islam well

his tomb is not being well protected

enough clearly if this is all the well

they fucking bulldozed it

dude

the wind could blow the rain could

fucking blow those bulldoze this dude

like what are you saying that's such

bullshit like like you're just going

ovals apology no I don't I don't

I just don't believe you right people

sorry people went on pilgrimage to see

it

yeah I just again I don't know what I'm

looking at this is not evidence of

anything being used

I just Googled Imam

we're gonna have to like show me the CCP

uh

but um

you know construction fucking Vehicles

deliberately bulldozing us

because other if I don't see video

evidence of CCP

um bulldozers

this big Behemoth of a building down

like like holy shit like it's maintained

for 400 did they bulldoze this with

shovels

very funny man well it's a bunch of

jokes no no okay no Drew Drew I want you

to be honest this is literally

Australian Colonials who fucking

destroyed be honest right now

if a person had a spoon

could they bulldozed this if they did it

for like two days straight that's a fuck

that's no be honest be honest be

honestly answer my question no answer my

question answer my question answer my

question if one guy came and Drew answer

my question if one guy came with a spoon

and he two straight days of just

get it you know going at it could he

could they bulldoze it like this this is

actually fucking disgusting me because

these are the same arguments

it's a natural logical question

well bro when the when the British

physiological question

when the British Columbia came to

Australia they would see indigenous

culturals life and they're going oh it's

a bunch of rocks and then just destroy

it and what you're going to defend that

no I don't think it's uh comparable

actually

but it was important

to show you the oyer's actual

because you're just kind of insulting

all yours right now I want to show you

what the numbers here's a quote

okay bro this is this is for example for

example I'll show you right

for example

uh let me see his let me stick through

one of their historical masks

um

for example right

this is a historical oyer mosque it's

not a hobby has been leveled

okay but this is not this is a

historical site

and it is not a hut

you can't take this down with a spoon

it's actually built you know with stone

and there's wood

exact same augments made by like the the

colonists of Australia no I'm saying you

are underestimating the ogre peoples

you're just underestimating you're just

you're just underestimating the oyger's

ability to build things all right

stop for a second in Australia a couple

years ago a fucking Mining Company rear

teams are blasted this Gorge that had 45

000 year old indigenous artwork and you

know what all the cursed like right wing

Colonial like Imperial Sinister I said

oh well it was just rocks who cares

that's what they said that was there you

know

show me the artwork

show it to me with the indigenous like

in this photo show me this hill what

what one are you talking about where's

the artwork on the hill it's just that

it's elevated

are you talking bro I don't think you

fucking understand it's like it's of

course yes I get that it's a mud brick

too but it was fucking important to the

ways it was it was important to them it

was a shrine

listen to yourself you're saying this

was oyger artwork and it's just an

elevated Hill I'm not I'm saying sorry

how is this hard how is this art I I'm

not saying it's artwork I'm saying it's

a pilgrimage site and it's it's roughly

equivalent to destroying indigenous

artwork in Australia dude

let me ask you a better question do you

think it's possible for this to erode

naturally

no because it was maintained for 450

years

it's just it's just bullshit man like

what do you mean what do you mean no

you're saying this can't you're saying

this can't erode not funny is that what

you're saying to me the demolition

explain to me the demolition of where

you get graveyards

okay that's a separate thing I don't you

know you know in Armenia like the the

Armenia azerbaijani conflict and you

should be supporting Armenia because

there's protected by Russia or whatever

but you know what that salaries did when

they when they took over

Armenian ancient towns they destroyed

this priceless

what do you say let's talk about China

okay well I'm just saying I'm just

saying that's another example of ancient

Priceless Heritage they destroy the

Armenian it really happens that's

happened before I just I don't like you

I don't think that's what's happening in

xinjiang

okay like China destroyed a 1 000 year

old Cemetery here

you just look at the satellite imagery

it's just going they just bulldoze it I

don't know what I'm looking at Drew I

don't know what that is the Symmetry

it's a thousand-year-old how do I know

what's going on in that fucking gif

you can see the Symmetry being destroyed

for fuck's sake true just because you

have images that are attached to

narratives doesn't mean dude this would

not hold up in court You're just showing

me images

know what this is Drew this is

pornographic Warfare this is like

showing me photos attaching them in

there oh look at the photo look at the

photo Drew there's nothing in the photo

just like in porn there's not any real

sex happening in real time I guess

unless it's live but even that's not

real time but true true it's not like

something actually happened

you've got what

to the bulldozers

no one's no evidence okay but you don't

have that you know I just didn't even

show it to your followers

um

it's literally like six seven six

separate graveyards that documented here

that have been destroyed by the Chinese

government so it's clearly a policy that

they're implementing

all right well you have to uh address

mine evidence

look at

that look at the look at the uh look

what look at the Hong Kong protesters

are doing look what they're doing yeah

Harry it's really funny hey when the

Chinese government they're dancing on

someone's grain this is a democracy

protester in Hong Kong who's dancing on

a man's grave he's literally dancing on

his grave look at it so true it's really

funny when governments oh you deny the

evidence

look at it drew look at it would you say

hey it's a Hong Kong protester dancing

on a communist grave the colonists of

America look at it look at him dude

the evidence speaks for itself explain

this okay Drew literally look at it

explain it

look at it dude just explain it

explains explain it no explain this

it's true explain this Drew explain this

right now

can you explain this

well man I'm actually can you explain

this it's so funny man holy shit explain

this right now explain it right now wow

what is this Drew what is this explain

it right now that's so true true explain

it explain it that way what is this Drew

I don't know

explain what this is

how are you actually really funny man

all right I'll get another one I'll get

another one

explain it

yeah yeah what is it so you can't even

explain this

why why why

is Taiwan doing this my name is Drew

sorry Harry I'm not sure if you can help

me with this could you explain this

what is that supposed to mean you

fucking sick fuck

well I I just I'm just wondering what is

that what is that supposed to mean you

sick fuck you want to do it you see you

want you you you represent the moral

authority of the oiger you were laughing

at the Chinese government

um

I'm glad you did that you represent the

moral Authority and the moral

credibility of all of these oyer

separatists and Hong Kong activists and

other separatist scum you work with you

represent their value on human life you

represent their honesty you represent

them

you represent their human morality

you showed me you showed me a dirt you

can't find a massacre

hey scumbag scumbag you showed me

you showed me a man's daughter a 30 year

old woman innocent civilian who was

brutally murdered

you represent the moral authority of the

anti-china movement in my life you don't

care about

human rights

Starbucks

Hey fat bitch hey fat bitch you don't

care about any of the things you claim

to you're gonna run against China

because of alleged violations of human

rights

of a philosopher's daughter if you give

a fuck about human life you wouldn't

make it so lightly you I never mocked

anyone's death

I didn't mock one person's death in this

entire fucking call if you gave a fuck

about human rights you would not have

just done that right now Drew you're a

liar you hate China because China is

subverting your Empire they're

subverting the Anglo-Saxon Empire

you hate China because you see you hate

it you hate it

you hate it when Asians stand up for

themselves and are sovereign that's why

you fucking hate them

you love all of the Asian countries that

are slaves of America you hate North

Korea you hate China

independent

imperialism you're a bitch of American

imperialism you're an Australian fat

fuck you're a dog of American

imperialism you hate all of the peoples

of the world and stand up for themselves

and try to defy the universal American

Empire whatsoever

Hitler Nazism you are Hitler you're a

fascist

Sovereign

the first Sovereign Asian state in

history maybe besides Japan which is the

Soviet Union which stood up to the West

that's what Hitler attacked Hitler had

his eyes on the Soviet Union

Hitler targeted the Soviets because they

were the first to stand up to the

European colonialists and to the

European imperialists that's why Hitler

invaded them just like you have China in

your crosshairs because the Chinese

people have stood up to the unibrowler

American system the Chinese people have

stood up to the colonialists they've

stood up to the imperialists they've

stood up to the fat Pillsbury Doughboy

people like you they've stood up and

that's why you want to beat them back

down you fat bitch

and every single Charlie person deserves

human rights deserve the same human

dignity

every Chinese person according to you

every Chinese person according to you

has human rights unless they stand up

for their people like Daria did for hers

in which case they're a fascist and you

Mock and condone their murder

that means every single day

there is not a single shred of evidence

that Daria supported the killing of a

single single Ukrainian civilian not a

single one there's not a single shred of

evidence for that fact

you are fucking coward you've revealed

you are devoid of morals you have the

morals of a wild fucking animal

you have normals whatsoever you support

genocide no I I Don't Cry tears over a

hill that you show me out of context but

you directly mocked someone whose life

was taken and murdered

no I mocked the pretense I mocked the

pretense that you flashing a fucking GIF

at the camera fulfills any standard of

evidence whatsoever to support the claim

yeah

you have to establish that's true in the

first place you fat bitch Dory actually

was killed you know she was killed and

you supported it I don't know if the

claims you're making are correct they

don't seem credible but it is

indisputable that that is an

international crime it is an

international crime it's a fucking War

crime and you support it

I just know it breaks something inside

your brain and the Roid Rage comes out

you are a fat bitch and a fucking coward

you are the fattest bitch in Australia

that's fucking saying something why the

fuck are you even in Australia

Dearborn

Michigan

let's talk about Cyprus let's talk about

the ultra-right fascistic hitlerite

grandmother you had in Cyprus who wanted

to Massacre and engage in genocide

against the Turks in Cyprus

what organization did she belong

my grandmother's brother joined the

first iteration of yoga that fought

against the British colonial authorities

he was not involved in New Yorker B

which carried out massacres against

Turkish civilians oh okay yeah sure

sure why would you stop getting personal

Drew

who cares where I fucking live yeah I

live in Michigan I'm proud to fucking

live in Michigan because I'm a fucking

America

Drew I'm the actual American I'm not the

bitch of any Empire you're the bitch of

the empire built on my people's backs

you're the bitch of the Empire that's

built on the backs of my American people

you live in fucking Australia this CIA

the CIA over through the government of

Australia

the government of Australia true the CIA

the CIA the CIA the CIA overthrews the

government of Australia the CIA forcibly

with the help of the queen overthrew the

fucking government of Australia

yes they did yeah look it up it happened

during the Cold War it actually happened

no I know what happened I read

Australian history he was not overthrown

by the fucking CIA that is a fucking lie

and really he was elected in a popular

vote and because of the Queen's

intervention

straight after he got

he get kicked out why didn't he get

kicked out

holy shit if you want to know he he

fucking was involved in like corruption

schemes with the Middle East he was

trying to like go around he was voted in

a popular vote no he didn't he didn't

get kicked out because

he didn't get checked out because of the

protocols of Australia's Sovereign

democracy he got kicked out because the

CIA and the British kicked him

Democratic history your government isn't

occupied by the globalists you are

living in a globalist occupied State

Drew Drew Drew even Drew you are not a

man you are not a man you are not a man

you have no country you have no country

you have an occupied government and

you're not even fighting against them

and detox on the fucking roid right you

are licking the balls of the globalists

who control your pathetic country of

Australia and you know what globalist is

a fucking dog whistle for Jews and so

you're just uh based on what based on

what based on what

what does the azov Battalion say about

Jews what is the azov Battalion say

about Jews yeah what what does fucking

the Wagner founded with SS tits on his

neck say about the Jews I could tell you

that there is no official organ of any

Russian military organization that

denounces Jews in the same way the azov

Nazis who endorse stepan bhandera do

there are no figures within Russian

history who are rehabilitated who hated

the Jews none

foreign

Russia Slaughters Ukrainian civilians

and has deported three million why are

you bringing up Jews when you are

supporting the azov Nazis who hate the

Jews

what do you mean you

you support like like all the people in

Russia you support say that they're

fighting against Ukraine because it's a

tool of the Jewish Elite that is what

they find that's a nice support who said

that

yeah all the all the top propagandists

in Russia right in one decision I

support who said that zielinski because

zalenzie's Jewish they're saying that

they're saying that Ukraine is a puppet

of the Jewish globalist order this is

what this is because one person I

support globalism has always been the

code name go ahead and name one person I

support who said loyalism has always

been a code word for Drew we all know

Drew one person that's all it takes one

person

okay I'll example of the anti-Semitism

that's going through the heart of the

Russian that's just state right now hey

name me one

I will support

I have nothing Drew

not destroyed on every on every topic

you wanted to go to let's let's do Maga

communism now because you you don't have

anything

we

we will I just want to First say that I

love Rob

lavrov has been extremely anti-semitic

his key element of the Putin regime

people had Jewish blood these are the

people that you're supporting

where is the anti-semitic Claim by

lavrov

that was that was well Putin had to

apologize to Israel for it

okay

well saying that it's not we're there

Jewish collaborators with the Nazis were

there capos and the camps yes there were

so yeah you can be Jewish like zelenski

and collaborate with anti-semites who

hate Jews that was his point

oh so true so you can find a

justification for it so fucking true

that was not really a single day every

single day you see you look at the

Russian telegram channels I look at this

stuff and they're all going you know

Ukraine's a tool of the Jewish puppets

Ukraine is a tool of the Enterprise

you're just making vague this is what

you're saying this is the propaganda of

your side you're making

a loose to telegram channels who have no

argument

period

Angie everyone knows

yes yes like

I will get the quote for you

by lavrov I don't deny he said that

about Hitler

may have had a drop of Jewish blood but

I think lavrov's point is it doesn't

matter because Hitler was still a

violent anti-semite who killed six

million Jews

so his point is that just because you

have Jewish ancestry doesn't mean you're

not culpable in Nazism

that that is a fucking grotesque

grotesque thing to say were there Jewish

collaborators they're saying zelinski is

a new Hitler holy shit

no I think I think zelinski's an actor

and he's serving the next Hitler yeah

what's the next Hitler

probably like Greta or some shit I don't

know

so Maga communism you've had a lot to

say about that

motor communism one second I I wanted I

want to find one of these articles but

yes my communism will discuss it

you explain to me what you think my

comments

well you read my sub stack right

so you already know so you're here to

debate it right

yeah I read I've read through portions

of it I mean it's it's pretty horrible

prose it's pretty boring

minutes long

so you say that Maga communism is stupid

is going to be easy to dispel so have a

go at it

okay well like very simple as like the

Republicans are like the enemy of what

okay so what communism is supposed to be

about equality correct

not really no

what is communism to you I need I need

you to Define communism

communism is the real movement which

overcomes the present state of things

communism is the force in human history

that wants to return to man his lost

Social substance

lost Social substance

so it's not about you know the workers

control of the means of the production

it's not about the socialization of the

means production it's not about you know

yeah it is about those things

so what you want you want work to

control the means of production

you want you want equality and a more

egalitarian society

Marx and angles were clear that equality

is a Bourgeois concept it's not there's

nothing essential about that phrase

as far as communism is concerned

but what a communist Society no

common ownership of the means of

production eradication of the state

eradication of class the withering away

of the state and the withering away of

those yes

that's a society that has been

transformed

uh and explain to me how the Republicans

would ever in a million years be part of

that process because I mean it's very

simple it's very simple I can just give

you very quick examples like for example

Trump expanding the Drone war and then

Biden basically almost ending it

Biden halving child poverty in the U.S I

mean they had the child tax credit child

tax child poverty went down from 10 to 5

in 2021 historic low census data 2.9

Million kids out of poverty under the

age of six and then what what happened

and then the Republicans said we don't

want the child tax credit we're going to

put all these kids back into poverty and

then the day of the child tax credit

passes three million go back like what

millions of children plunge back into

poverty overnight and what you think the

people behind that are going to be an

ally in the movement for you know the a

more egalitarian society a society that

you know where you have a withering away

it's very clear you're uneducated about

what communism is but if you just read

I'm going to quote myself here if you

just read what I actually wrote for our

part the Communist disdains to conceal

their aims we plainly believe that the

Maga movement requires its own political

party all we remain sympathetic to the

Republican candidates genuinely aligned

Against The Establishment majority of

the Republican Party remains firmly

entrenched and in the hands of the same

globalist ruling class we hope that the

greatest showing the Republican parties

outside of that tell me

um

outside

like the globalist ruling class

um

the for for for one Trump was right

so Trump's outside the globalist ruling

class

I mean he's the one who started the

magma if you want to talk about people

in Congress but it's just it's just

fucking dumb because like inequality

expanded massively on the Trump like he

was responsible for one of the biggest

upwards redistributions you're asking in

Congress then Thomas Massey probably

right but there's others it's it's not

really clear where their alignments are

right now but like Laura bobert are

supposed to be like for a communist

Society they would fucking hate you

okay

Drew I want to explain to you something

because you don't know what communism is

I'm not claiming that there are any

prominent figureheads in the Maga

movement who are communists I am the

Maga communism who thinks communism is

useful for the actual real aims of what

makes Maga attractive to its

constituency I am not

saying the Maga movement is explicitly

communist I'm saying communism should be

the future of the Maga movement

and how do you how do you propose to

achieve that I mean by basically

explaining to the working class