2v2 DEBATE ON UKRAINE: vs. Adam Something and Destiny 🚀 Infrared Content Catalog

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stephen do you not do you prefer to not

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preference

they say no he's not a leftist you can't

call steven a leftist well in the online

world leftist means like socialist or

communist in the united states leftist

means democrat

so it's kind of weird online you

probably just call me like a progressive

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you say liberal but that doesn't really

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is it so is it not fair to i always

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in in american terms what you're saying

that's true like uh and in america

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nancy pelosi is a leftist or joe biden

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um i don't say extremist to radical but

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the political dialogue is revolving

around liberalism generally oh okay

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just mean like democrat so it's just

kind of weird the international

definitions are a little bit different

than the american definitions

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everybody today we're debating causes of

the war

on ukraine or russia's war on ukraine

and we're starting right now which i

technically changed the title a little

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right now with

adam and destiny the floor is all yours

and at that point either one of you

whoever wants to go first within your

team can go and then once you guys are

done i'll kick it over to

jackson and infra for their opening as

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hey everybody today we're debating the

causes of russia's war on ukraine and

we're starting right now with adam in

destiny's opening statement thanks so

much for being with us the floor is all

yours

so i suppose i will start i'm going to

keep this short first off i'm glad that

jackson has finally collected their

courage to actually face a certain

debate last time they pitched out oh

well uh second time to show him i'm glad

they're here uh so with regards to the

uh to the uh reasons for the for

russians russia's invasion for a war uh

i i wish they could i wish they took the

first opportunity to to debate us

because back then they could have

mounted a better case

uh now that russia's offensive is

faltering in the east especially several

years if you keep if you got to put the

news it's not looking good for the

russians they got entrapped now they're

being attributed to hell in brutal urban

fighting um so that really does not vote

well for russia and consequently for

tankies who are pro-russian you know

they cannot make such a good case for uh

russian involvement in ukraine russia

the russian invasion of ukraine

and of course the uh

regardless of what these two might try

to tell you the reasons are still just

good old-fashioned russian imperialism

this is what they've always done

um

this is the bread and butter of the

russian empire uh also the soviet union

because if you look at if you look at

russia like the reason why russia is so

big is because they did the exact same

thing they're trying to do currently to

ukraine as in you know to to invade

destroy murder deport subjugate people

who lived there and forcibly melt them

into their empire

same thing they did in ukraine or at

least they tried but oops ukraine

actually resisted and the russian army

is

not so strong as it was due to endemic

corruption and demographic issues so now

russia is on the on the uh

you know

uh sort of a

wrong end of the stick so to speak and

uh this might not be

uh

an ideal situation for a tanki but we'll

see how they'll try to justify it anyway

destiny

yeah i mean the arguments have remained

virtually unchanged uh since the

beginning of the war russia doesn't

really have any good reason to go after

ukraine russia has continued to threaten

ukraine's sovereignty in a way that we

haven't seen any nation threaten the

sovereignty of any other nation in the

past 30 years the idea that the

territorial integrity of another country

could be threatened by a larger power

because of fears

of the type of government they'll have

or the potential voluntary joining of

nato or the potential voluntary joining

of open markets in europe is just as

ridiculous now as it was a few months

ago when the war began uh we've seen

russia commit to atrocious military

strategy whether we're talking about

civilians being murdered in places like

mario paul or whether we're talking

about the um

i guess just the overall mayhem or

destruction that they brought cities

that they've been forced to retreat from

now um

there's yeah there's there's any

justification that could revolve around

trying to say that russia should be able

to do anything undermines ukraine's

sovereignty that hasn't changed since

the beginning of the war and

unfortunately now russia finds itself in

the bad end of a protracted war that it

doesn't seem to be able to support and

yeah we'll i'm curious to see if we have

any new arguments that could possibly

justify the failing russian invasion

into ukraine oh yeah

you got it thank you very much we'll

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the floor is all yours for your openings

as well

all right well

first of all very happy that uh azov

something and destiny have joined us for

a debate today because last time they

bitched out and refused to debate us and

i feel like they probably collected

their ideas and their views by now so

it's good that they're here

um

before we get into it though and i hope

azov something can respond to this uh

you've gone out and you've posted memes

of stefan bandera the infamous nazi in

ukraine you've been criticized by your

own audience for doing this uh you said

that you defended the azab battalion

because what else is ukraine supposed to

do then to support the azov nazis and

bring them into their national guard

ranks and allow them to basically

slaughter and genocide people in the

dombass for eight years so hopefully you

can address your support for the azov

nazis and posting bandera memes online

but um as we get into this i mean

obviously

the

war this special military operation

invasion whatever whatever party wants

to call it began due to western

escalation we saw the continued

threat of nato accession of ukraine

leading up well into the zielinski

administration even up until the last

days prior to this invasion beginning

we saw the west and nations that

previously were neutral flooding ukraine

with arms we've seen over the past six

years we've seen nato training ukrainian

battalions we've seen the us training

special up ukrainian forces in the

united states uh and we also saw that

the ukrainians were planning a an

offensive and invasion into the donbass

we know for the past eight years uh

putin has tried to secure peace in

ukraine through the minx accords and the

minx two accords both of which were

violated by ukrainian forces uh the

ceasefire violations were violated

especially in the days leading up to the

war we saw an in dramatic increase in

ceasefire violations and though the osce

does not directly point out who is

responsible for these violations uh

donetsk officials say that ukraine was

responsible for the vast majority of

these violations in the final days of

the war but then again uh this isn't

nearly as important as the fact that

there were documents released uh i

believe it was on march 8th which

pointed out that ukraine's national

guard the fourth operational brigade was

planning a an invasion into the joint

operate joint forces operation zone in

the dombass they were going to do a

full-scale invasion

and in an effort to prevent nato

accession on russia's border in an

effort to prevent the slaughter of more

ukrainian or more dombas civilians in

donetsk and lagos with this threat of an

invasion and to prevent the nazis like

the azovs that you is of something have

defended from killing more civilians in

spreading their ideology russia decided

to make a counter move uh to the

eight-year war which was started after a

u.s coup in 2014 in ukraine by launching

this special military operation

uh additionally in regards to this

allegation by adam soy thing that we had

backed out of our debate

if anyone's interested we don't actually

have to argue about it you can go on my

channel where i provide irrefutable uh

proof

that at the very least uh adam soy thing

was lying that me and jackson refused to

debate him there's a full i show the

full dms with modern day debate and i

provide evidence for modern day debates

twitter that says it was actually him

that uh backed out of that but you know

let's not do all too much on that

uh just to add

to what jackson said with the kind of

broader picture

this notion that what we're witnessing

is this time and time old russian

imperialism the notion that the soviet

union

was imperialist is already questionable

but the soviet union doesn't even exist

anymore

although russia has inherited the soviet

union as a state

there can be no question of russian

imperialism

without an international system of equal

sovereign nations

now the international system that has

resulted from the architects of the um

britain wood system after world war ii i

mean i don't even think the two

gentlemen here will try and make the

argument that that system has resulted

in free and equal

sovereignty between nations clearly the

united states has an exceptional status

in that international system and uh it

had sought after the fall of the soviet

union and the eastern bloc to integrate

not only uh the former countries of the

warsaw pact

but also the former soviet union into

that international system and it has

been russia's resistance

to being integrated into that

international system that has resulted

in the western aggression uh that led up

to the events in ukraine today

so i think

leave it there for now

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here we go three two one go

just a quick point as we start um i'm

going i have this email in front of me

that i got from james on the 2nd of

march this is with regards to that like

who pitched out of the debate uh he

wrote hi adam i'm bombed that jackson

hinkle and infrared aren't going for it

despite my best efforts to persuade them

however i'm not exaggerating when i say

i might have a better idea russian

fellow named justice

and then we get the justice debate so

here james on the 2nd of march wrote to

me that uh hinkle and infrared aren't

going for it despite him trying to

convince them otherwise you can ask

james about it after the debate if you

want this email i got i got this from

the modern day debate so i this is the

only way to interpret this is that you

guys

uh have backed out uh this is on my

discord and also my youtube community

page if you scroll down so feel free to

check it out for yourself uh otherwise

like i can see that this debate is going

to be pretty much like you throwing at a

bunch of uh essentially this info and

misrepresentation etc and just like bad

faith you know gishkal of gaslighting

the usual that's that's that's that's

jackson's ammo mostly infrared just like

screams a lot but um

were you not posting photos of stefan

bandera

yes which was actually a spin on the on

this russian sort of hysteria about

stefan bandera if you know european

history you know that yes

i know it's funny it's funny to to uh

it's only funny because you don't

because you're a big bit ignorant on

this well your own audience called you

out about that that's just why

some people some people call some people

found it weird which i fully understand

but i think the thing to understand here

is that uh a that image i interpreted as

as uh essentially a play on this russian

version to step up on there like ooh

look at the goo the bandera you know

like that kind of thing the second thing

i don't i don't really and in fact you

said that you said that bandera and you

said azov were far right would you be

willing to say here live that they are

not just far right but they're nazis can

we get that on the record some of them

are definitely not hold on to be clear

on the record right now the azov

battalion is not the same as our

battalion that it was like pre-2014 the

azov battalion has been properly assumed

in the ukrainian forces and the idea

that the majority of these people or

even a sizable chunk of them are are far

right or nazis doesn't seem to be true

uh we can really like pictures

you don't think that the ss wolf's angle

symbol on their actual uniforms is a

symbol of their ideology that they are

nazis or the black sun logo that is a

nazi symbol yep okay so my response to

this is that when i'm trying to figure

out what's happening in terms of foreign

affairs i'm not looking at pictures that

people post on facebook and twitter if

we're gonna say that there is a yeah

that's right so if we're gonna say like

there's a significant nazi or far-right

ultra-nationalist problem in ukraine

what i'd be interested in is that like

are there an elevation of the amount of

attacks on people like anti-semitically

do we have like crystal not going on do

we have people that are encouraging uh a

lot of anti-semitic or hateful behavior

towards jewish people in ukraine we do i

don't i don't see that anywhere um there

aren't really widespread reports of that

um pulling data in ukraine shows that

like they're not anti-semitic

arguably the least anti-semitic country

um in in i think in all of europe i

don't think it's eastern europe um so

yeah i'm not really as convinced about

pictures of people with with dumb

fucking symbols and shit on the military

uniforms i'm sure there are probably

some nazis in the ukrainian world i mean

it's there i'm sure that symbol let me

just say it's your official show that

i'm sure they're going to seem like a

small it's even 20 seconds to finish

i'm sure there are far right aspects to

literally every single military in the

world but if you care as much about this

why don't you ever talk about like the

wagner group why don't you ever talk

about any of the far-right elements that

exist in russia that literally train

foreign fighters that like do operations

for far-right um causes in other

countries like sweden

um yeah the wagner group doesn't have

any official ties to the russian

government but regardless um i just

wanted

okay are you um are you trying to

suggest that it's not possible for there

to be neo-nazis active eu nazis i should

add if there aren't anti-jewish pogroms

going on because i'll have you know

that the biggest victims of nazi

violence during world war ii were slavs

and russian slavs in particular so i'm

not sure with this idea that nazis have

to engage in anti-semitic violence

i mean it's clear they do have

anti-semitic views that's well

documented but i don't see why that has

to be a key criteria now regarding the

wagner group

even if you want to say that the russian

government has these under the cover

ties i mean that is vastly different

than integrating literal neo-nazi groups

into your official military as ukraine

has done for their national guard so i

don't really see the comparison i mean

you could say that russia is doing some

under the rug shady shit if you're going

to try an argument there's no evidence

of that

um

but even if that was true it wouldn't be

the same as the way in which ukraine has

literally

um integrated these people into its

official military

yes i mean the difference is that like

the wagner group still operates as the

arm as the paramilitary arm of the

russian

military the key word though when

they're military

what are they sanctions they supported

what does that mean to you what do you

mean private mercenary group they're

private mercenaries that work at the

behest of the kremlin they are directly

into that

uh

wait is that the debate we're having

right now that the wagner group is just

some independent operating thing that

doesn't have any ties

to a

and by the way we all know it's not just

the azov battalion of course azov is

probably the most given the most

spectacle and uh attention because they

are so

out in the open with regard to the fact

that they do have these nazi symbols as

their official logos but um i mean you

look at all these other groups you look

at trident you look at uh is it the c14

you look at all these groups that are

responsible for these mass atrocities

and they are the ideological inheritors

of stefan bondera who again adam

something here seems to think is a guy

worth making memes about and posting

about on his youtube page but what i

will say is that at the end of the day

the people who started these groups

started these parties started this mass

political movement in ukraine to carry

out the ideological ambitions of nazi

collaborators like stefan bandera they

say things like quote we want to rid

ukraine rid uh non-ukrainians out of

ukraine we want to get russians and jews

out of ukraine that was tanya book we

saw uh andre parubi or andre belitsky

rather he was the commander of the azov

battalion

and still is he said that he wanted to

profess his support listen he wanted to

profess his support for a crusade of

white nations against semitic-led

sub-humans so when they're killing 14

000 people in the donbass do you not

think that that is the

true actions of nazis that is them

carrying out their ideological ambitions

no it's a civil war within the country

you don't see them like like against

ethnic russians against people that are

being supported by russia breaking away

from their country why are they

supported by russia because russia is

trying to undermine the sovereignty of

ukraine and they've been trying to do so

ever since 2014 when their guy got

ousted from the government but before we

get feminist parties it's simple simple

blood and soil essentially i'd like to

have one second okay quick question

quick question for you um if so uh we

we we keep hearing about this we keep

hearing about this massive nazi problem

ukraine right like of course citation

needed but uh also guys don't you find

it funny how like your position is held

by virtually every neo-nazi movement in

europe right now like in in hungary

there's there's a literal nazi party in

in parliament right now our homeland is

called who are just spreading the same

kind of propaganda that you do they say

say the exact same thing fidesz victor

obama's party who's essentially a

proto-fashion party he's also uh

believes the same thing in every single

far-right part in europe every single

night is

the party right now genociding ethnic

russians

excuse me there is no genocide in

ukraine what are we talking about

russia russia is genociding more ethnic

russians right now than anyone i i think

you're wrong that's not actually

incorrect so

they're they're bombing ethnic russian

areas ethnic russian casualties are

mounting in one sec

and ethnic russian uh civilian

casualties are mounting in the areas

that russia is attacking with russia so

you think that you think that none of

those ethnic russian deaths could have

been responsible by the ukrainian forces

like they were over the south so now so

now we switched to like don't you think

some of them might have been killed by

ukraine come on dude look if well no you

answered if you answer the question i

ask you a question you're making it out

to be that all russian ethnic russians

killed are a result of russian

airstrikes or something like that

of course not uh not home okay well

now

we can find a point of agreement now do

you think that there are more ethnic

russians do you think that there are

more epic russians that are killed right

now

compared to the past eight years

most ethnic russians in ukraine are

anti-russian or anti-russian military

and anti-invasion before we get into

that uh how does that happen you said

that you said the majority of neo-nazis

are pro-russia which isn't true it's

just that the majority of people in

europe

absolutely european european absolutely

not true look at their policies

white nationalism

the ifd in germany alternative

they're not neo-nazis the ifd are not

neo-nazis they're right-wing

that's not the same thing right thing

populist that's not the same thing

almost all populace

i live i live in east germany right now

you're probably called trump a nazi yeah

but anyway trump trump is not a nazi

he's just like but i wanted to ask you

the question i think marcher taylor

green and bulbert and people like that i

think they're like kind of proto

proto-nazis like i mean what i'm saying

is that

i'm interested in your notion of nazism

when you consider steppen bandera not a

nazi but uh conservative

was stefan bandera had a complicated

history he was a nazi collaborator but

back but he wasn't enough

uh i i don't think he was like an

evolved nazi

do you know what he said about jews

oh sure uh but he's not

paleo conservatives in america are not

saying wait hold on are you going to let

him finish the thing you're just going

to keep like rapid fire questions

so about dondero i think i think it's

very important to know to the historical

context back in the day at that point

the soviet union was doing something

similar to ukraine that is doing now and

at that point the you know the germans

the nazis came through from from the

west and the ukrainians of course were

ukrainians were resisting the soviet

invasion and the nazis were like hey

guys

we kind of hate the russians too like do

you want to like team up or something

and people ukraine was like yeah cool

and so of course and and they were

anti-semitic of course

that's a separate historical debate that

we can't get into but

but i i yeah but i have to explain this

to you because because none of you seem

to understand this okay so back then uh

this they were of course anti-semitic

and there was like a whole bunch of

genocides in western ukraine mostly

poles and jews those like oh like

scorched earth but just like murdering

in europe generally like the more east

you go the more brutal these these

pogroms and purges get but the thing is

though unfortunately this has been the

norm for hundreds of years in europe of

groups genociding other groups and

anti-semitism is has been like a

constant theme so stefan bandera is

horrible he was and of course the level

of gen the level of violence was higher

since it was far out in the east

unfortunately from a european

perspective that was not that special

right

and then later on bandera himself got

like imprisoned by nazis and like and

like removed from pirates

it's complicated hold on but this is an

outright falsification of history the

idea that's not yeah okay well you're

gonna let me talk now because i let you

do that but the idea that bendera as

pogroms and uh which was actually part

of the holocaust if you don't know uh

the anti-jewish violence in in ukraine

perpetrated by the banderas is just

another incident of uh anti-semitic

violence in the history of europe that

would be true if it wasn't for the fact

that the ukrainian nationalist ideology

even before the nazi invasion was

heavily drawing from germa the

inspiration of german fascism and nazism

as were most of the other extreme uh

ultra nationalists across europe at the

time who had an anti-soviet agenda which

you're saying is a falsification of

history bandera's anti-semitism was

hitlerite was of a hitlerite character

it was not some traditional conservative

european anti-semitism and i just find

it hilarious that you're doing all this

mental gymnastics to try and tell us

that a literal person who helped

perpetrate the holocaust alongside of

the nazis is not a nazi is just a

collaborator but american paleo

conservatives are somehow nazis i mean

that's quite the stretch and i want to

ask you could i just ask a quick

question about that and then you can

finish anything i'm just curious would

you consider the ussr a nazi country

absolutely not no so when the ussr is

literally writing up agreements to split

poland in half and join invaded and

having non-aggression packs and setting

like the stage for like future alliances

with nazi germany how do you rationalize

that your mind i'm sorry yeah it's very

clear the soviet union made several

overtures to france and britain and the

other western allied countries to form a

security pact against the germans when

the germans kept going east to

shekia they kept they had their

intention to go east to poland the

soviets were left with no choice but to

continue to buy time because they were

not prepared for a military

confrontation with the nazis so left

with no choice like bandera was in

ukraine in order to like found out

the same thing

in america bandera was definitely left

with the choice to not actually

collaborate with the nazis in the

holocaust yeah he was definitely the

ussr had to

the ussr most definitely had to have a

non-aggression pact in order to buy up

the necessary time uh to build up its

military and industrialize me it wasn't

just a non-aggressive

with germany they split that country no

germany had told the ussr of its

intention to invade poland and then the

ussr said okay we won't go to war with

you over this if you don't cross this

line now when the polish government fled

poland in exile to london the soviets

came to the eastern pole to defend the

soviet union that is why at the time

the polish government and the british

government did not accuse the soviet

union of invading poland and they didn't

go to war with the soviet union and that

they went to war with germany and

there's a reason for that because the

soviet union did not invade poland the

whole pretext of world war ii was the

invasion of poland by germany why didn't

britain declare war on the soviet union

did the polish government flee before

after the ussr invaded haas oh yeah it

was in response to the german invasion

that they did the polish government flee

before after the ussr invaded at the

same time

by the way

do you

why would know where

if they're not at war shouldn't they be

like chill like well then why didn't the

allies declare war on the soviet union

if the soviet union was invading poland

i'm not asking why they i'm just curious

how it's just interesting to me that the

ussr was basically forming like a

long-term alliance or had in the works

say long-term alliance with nazi germany

but you've got like a rationalization

for that but then there is like

literally evidence of like

future nazis

meetings with the german leaders he

explicitly rejected any long-term

alliance in new order for europe he said

we don't want to form a new order a new

world order with you guys after we just

want harvard we just want our security

concerns to be respected don't cross

this line in poland don't go to bulgaria

don't go here and then it was totally

you know

uh meant to just defend the soviet union

not to create this long-term alliance

for the for the congress and the ussr

hold on just another i'm sorry because

there was the the massacre the captain

massacre whatever where the ussr is

executing like tens of thousands of

fucking polish military officers

intelligentsia you had the um uh what

was the name of the the kpd uh officials

the communists that fled germany into

the ussr were shipped right back to

germany to be executed what do you mean

they were just like not aggressive

to the historian grover who's done a lot

of work to show there's nothing i don't

have him to talk to right now i just

have you has to talk to you well you

think you think that you're going to

have time to go through the primary

sources and evidence for all of those

claims so i'm just going to tell you

that i deny them

like destiny you probably think there's

a genocide you probably think there's a

genocide in jinjong right now too so

you're not the most reliable source in

the world but what i want to point out

here what i want to point out here is

that you're making an argument about the

soviet union protecting their security

and whatnot we saw stefan bandera

literally work together with nazi

intelligence to form massive ss

battalions in ukraine to band together

tens of thousands of ukrainians to

slaughter hundreds hold on

bad either that's just paramilitaries

and you're trying to compare the two and

it's literally insane you're trying to

equate a a security pact with literal

nazi genocide of ukrainians it's insane

yeah

military that's not yeah no you're

actually fucking do you have any do you

have any proof that the ss was like

controlled by the general government was

just like just like the premier league

say that again

do you have any do you have any proof

that like the ss was directly directly

uh controlled by hitler you know you

know there's not a single record of

hitler actually ordering the murder of

any jewish it was the parable

like did i did i say hillary did i say

with uh what i'm saying when you're

talking about the ss these are these are

paramilitaries and if the wagner doesn't

count i don't know why

the military because we do have evidence

that he was meeting with nazi

intelligence officials to form these

battalions well the flaws in the

narrative i like it but that's exactly

what i said you tried to you tried to

manipulate my words

at the end of the day i don't agree with

you i do agree with you um

and then infrared after

so uh i i want to to correct you on

something it's not it wasn't the

invasion of poland it was the special

military operation into poland okay

let's keep doing it keep keep it

straight guys yeah that that is that's

an argument devoid of substance um it is

very christian

it was fairly clear that the invasion of

poland

started world war ii and the soviet

union was not considered a member of the

axis powers at that time and britain did

not declare one of the soviet union

to become part of this or did the polish

government in exile blame the soviet

union for any invasion now second of all

i wanted to ask you this question about

a more contemporary event uh you wanted

to know about these acts of neo-nazi

violence that were his destiny put it

just part of the war was the odessa

massacre just part of the war when that

happened sms the odessa massacre was it

was it was an incident where a

pro-russian mob met a pro-ukrainian mob

and the pro ukrainian mob turned out to

be about three times larger than the

pro-russian mob and they they actually

um

they actually uh uh pushed the pro

russians into this building i don't know

the trade unions have something that and

they push them into this building and uh

it's blurry what happened next but like

molotovs and stones started flying it's

not blurry the international criminal

department has already done a

preliminary examination

like the building

i was gonna say real quick international

accords of also there's not a genocide

happening the don bass so you can't pick

and choose when you want to start with

an initial course sorry adam keep going

oh yeah sure so at that point it was

like most people died i think of

the stampede and the smoke because the

building was actually set on fire and

then afterwards that was pretty much the

end of the pro-russian protest you know

there's a actually a few months later

there was like a sort of terror bombing

of the ukrainian authorities like

civilians a couple of them died but like

that was pretty much it at the end uh

the next the the next calamity game when

russia started launching like cruise

missiles at like residential

neighborhoods uh nazim now but that was

that was that was basically the gist of

the odessa uh the odessa massacre which

wasn't really a massacre it was two two

mobs meeting with like stones and

molotovs

of violence at the time there was the

crucifixion of russians there was the

disappearance that's that's that's a

fake though that the crucifixion didn't

really happen well i saw it on video so

i don't know how it could be fake and

there's then there's the several um

russian journalists who i don't know

just disappeared somehow i mean there

was a clear campaign of intimidation

terror and violence

oh

like like now in russia russian foreign

anti-war journalists are being

disappeared then like news organizations

being shut down we're talking we're

talking about ukraine right now we're

not talking about russia right now and

that's like kind of like a what about

ism

um the the point is that there's a

campaign of terror intimidation and

violence against um people who represent

the opinion of the russian-speaking

population in east ukraine you said

earlier that the russian-speaking

population in ukraine is anti-russian

well how would you even know that if

their representatives were the victims

of a systemic campaign of uh terrorism

and violence and intimidation like who

uh like the various russian journalists

i can't name them

in my head

what's

like we hear when when journalists are

killed during these conflicts it's a

really big deal we hear about it in

israel it happened recently the idf

murdered or murdered or killed a

journalist during they say it was um

accidental fire whatever are you just so

i can understand are you implying that

like ukraine is murdering a bunch of

russian journalists but we just haven't

heard about it well there there are

several missing um

journalists you answer that question

instead of like they were literally

shelling russian journalists in donetsk

this week

actually russians actually killed i

think a reuters journalist or a french

journalist he died of like artillery

shrapnel and they what's your evidence

that what's your evidence that the

french journalist was killed by russians

because he was actually in donetsk and

french president emmanuel macron didn't

even say that he was killed by russia

and so he left it

was on the ukrainian side though like

unless ukrainians shout their own

positions then sure

shelling their own position feel free to

feel free to

feel free to look

look it up adam

you made the claim that it was just a

bunch of random people that stormed the

odessa trade union house on that may 2nd

when they slaughtered dozens and dozens

of people you leave out the part that it

was andre paraby who is in odessa

meeting with many of the individuals who

were responsible for the violent acts

that took place there that day in the

days leading up to that trade union hall

massacre uh and this was a guy who was

the leader of the mon the society to

erect a staff on bandera monument this

was clearly an act carried out again

with the same intent of all these nazis

to try and slaughter a popular

resistance movement that was peaceful it

was just people sitting out in front of

a trade union house to

this coup government that was installed

by the us

yeah so uh i i found the article you you

were lying they were not in donetsk they

were on the way to several donetsk so

they were on ukrainian territory

uh

and uh

yes where were they coming from where

are they coming

are we talking about um

in march when journalists were on the

way to kiev they don't know this this

was okay because that was one time where

those journals i think we watched videos

of that where they were ambushed by uh

russian reconnaissance there's a video

of that um where you can see them

getting shot at like

they're talking about okay that was that

was just one issue that's just one issue

of russian shooting at uh journalism

adam do you deny that it was a

government to organize event on may 2nd

that resulted in dozens of people who

are anti

uh are we talking about

is it

odessa right now

like are we talking about are we talking

about

okay okay

it wasn't the government organized thing

the government didn't even exist

basically at that point or it didn't

have much power over i mean if the

ukrainian government had power to

organize protests just like like this in

uh cities far away from kiev like six

eight hours like six hours of driving

then the then the events in ukraine

would have turned out very differently

this was

the leader of a mass political movement

where is his where is andrey perubi's

political party now so what or i

he was the chair of the vrakov narada

for five years good and how come

ukrainian four right parties have one

seat out of 450 now

uh because the linski regime replaced

them but at the end of the day

wait do they not have elections or what

do you mean by that can you explain that

zerensky is a centrist pro-russia

centuries-russia native speaker jewish

centuries liberal pro like you know like

yeah i'll agree with you i'll agree with

you there i think zielinski's campaign

messaging was great he wanted peace he

didn't want the persecution and the

discrimination of ethnic russians in

ukraine but clearly he's lost that

battle and he's now effectively uh

controlled by these same forces that

held power from 2014 to 2019 like

do you have a source on that do you have

any like source cities we literally have

videos of uh zielinski going bravely i

think to the uh to the front lines with

the azov commanders in the donbass

meeting with them asking them to put

down their arms and to talk about this

and they say we'll talk with you but

we're not going to stop fighting because

that's what he was asking them to do

they didn't want to stop fighting and

there's clear video evidence released by

the ukrainian defense ministry about all

of this

so it would be i think easier to to uh

disarm neonatals in ukraine and to uh to

uh sort of stem the tide of this

neonatal resurgence which is i guess

it's happening according to you uh it

would be like if you're concerned wait

did you deny that

one second if you did if you are

concerned about the resurgence of of

extremism and

certain places then i think we should

agree that the best solution credit is

for

for larger countries to stop fucking

with the smaller country in which this

future resurgence is happening why does

isis exist for example well us

interventionalism right the us went in

guns blazing and destabilized the region

and then whoops this caused a surge of

extremism in ukraine this didn't

actually cause a surge though that's the

first thing i agree with you i agree

with

should stop fucking with smaller

countries

us should stop arming the nazis in

ukraine i agree as long as russia leave

ukraine yeah and give them back

everything including crimea are you

saying they were trying to get it done

in the minsk accords no

nope are you they weren't

deported

they weren't trying to stop the

ukrainian nazis from slaughtering people

in

they were trying to cause a ceasefire to

happen in an area where they were

backing a civil war where they've

already broken off territory from assad

ukraine agreed to civil war

manipulating the words into this uh

pro-pro-ukraine propaganda mindset no no

it's called reality what is it called

okay so who is this civil war between

was it not between nazis and rebels in

the dombass no right now the civil war

is backed by the russian military

against the ukrainian military that's

what the war is right next eight years

since 2014 russia has had official

military people it's not even a secret

on the ground in the in the donbass yeah

of course they haven't had them there

the entire time

yes of course they have what do you mean

that's incorrect when you say not the

entire time then so are you admitting

that they were there most of the time or

what are you talking about no they they

definitely were there different periods

throughout uh the eight years but they

weren't there the entire time or the

majority of the time so they haven't

been there the majority of the time what

do you think about the civilian airliner

they got like look at the international

criminal court's preliminary examination

that's incorrect they do highlight the

different periods in which russians went

to the the

joint operation zone as they refer to it

but um it was only a few times now were

they providing artillery and heavy

artillery at different times to the

rebels there yeah but they weren't there

they weren't just providing military

like the platforms that these people

were using were sophisticated platforms

to shoot down things like malaysian

airlines flight 17. these were platforms

that couldn't be operated by random

people with no idea that required

russian military first artillery

okay and the ukrainians are fighting a

civil war in their country i would

expect them to use heavy artillery to

secure their country that doesn't

justify their country in 2014 the people

in donetsk and legons voted

overwhelmingly to become independent

states that's not how that works you

can't just you can't just vote away

to break away from a country do you

think the european union would be

justified in invading scotland and

holding them hostage because they wanted

to stay in the eu

like the the founding of hold on no no

no wait i want jackson answer that do

you think that if the european union had

put together an army and invaded

scotland would they be able to hold on

to that because they voted to stay in

the european union and and the rest of

the united kingdom voted to leave do you

think that'd be justified well you're

making a false comparison here at the

end of the day the people of donetsk and

lagos were facing not just harassment

not just uh discrimination and torture

but also death the russians

holy shit

so let's just put this in perspective if

donald trump were president and he

started you know mobilizing u.s military

personnel to slaughter people in

los angeles county and los angeles

county decided that they wanted to vote

to break away from the united states and

form their own sovereign independent

state then it wouldn't just be that they

randomly voted something caused that to

happen and at the end of the day would

have been the violence that ensued from

whichever government in power and that

government in ukraine was installed by a

us-backed coup and it was an illegal

impeachment uh that like all of us votes

i don't even know where to go bitch

so

wait hold on where do you think the

civil war in the donbas started

uh it started it's well it started to

pick up speed after

the coup took place but when did it so

it started after after russia invaded

and stole crimea

that's not an accurate and then after

and what do you mean no did you just

hear the timeline started after the coup

of viktor yanukovych so it started after

russia invaded and stole crimea and then

it started after russia was mobilizing

troops

to

begin that what happened before crimea

there was a an ousting of a prior leader

who started shooting at civilians with

police officers i mean what do you mean

just that's not true we already had this

debate i wrecked you in this debate you

didn't wreck anything all you can point

to is a phone call between two

ambassadors saying

one leader to another and then you think

that that's evidence for purposes of

clarification ukraine is a very new

state even historically it doesn't

matter that it's ukraine was recognized

in 1991 by every other sovereign country

yeah i'd like to finish what you've

heard from infrared yeah so the founding

of ukraine which is an extremely new

state the idea of this unified territory

being encompassed by one sovereign state

that was founded on the premise that

everyone was going to have equal

representation whether they're russian

speaking or ukraine speaking right in

the west and it just so happens that the

person who is ousted as you mentioned

was overwhelmingly the representative of

the russian speakers within eastern

ukraine so after that coup which ousted

the person that represented their stake

in ukrainian sovereignty i don't see how

you can ukraine can continue to lay

claim to this territory because they

held elections after he was ousted

was it was it those elections were

considered legitimate wait wait

was it a legal impeachment no but they

held legal elections afterwards did he

leave the country before that took place

yep no where did he go to he ran to

russia no he didn't what did he go to

you went to kharkiv first from hakeem he

went to russia details

he went to kharkiv and then they had the

little

right when he left for kharkiv first of

all they started to rain hellfire down

with snipers on what they thought was

his uh his group of cars that was

leaving the city and then they stormed

his own personal home and government

buildings do you not think that that's a

cool story

considering the fact that he had shown

he hadn't

left the country and you admit that it

was not a legal impeachment do you think

do you think that a coup usually the

democratic elections that occur

afterwards is that a coup do you

understand yeah it can it definitely can

okay so a coup can be there is a bunch

of protests and riots

the leader flees from his country which

he did and then afterwards they hold

democratic elections

let's not let's not pretend that him

fleeing was the pretext for choosing a

new leader um there was sniper fire

against him as he was trying to

supposedly leave all right as he was

trying to leave to correct myself there

was a rating as jackson put it over his

office so there was clearly an intent to

oust yanukovych before he left now

yanukovych is the guy that the people of

eastern ukraine voted for they're not

going to recognize any new that would be

like um trump deciding that he's not

going to accept the elections and he's

going to call it

literally but literally putin came out

and said he would accept the elections

of the ukraine presidential election

after he left people of eastern ukraine

weren't they're not the puppets of putin

they disagreed they didn't accept those

elections because they voted for

yanukovych now in their view if we're

going to vote for someone and they're

just going to decide that they're going

to be able to coo them like why should

they even he didn't just get couped he

fled

well there wasn't anything to do with

that legally absolutely correct the

verkovna

said that he was no longer president

they declared him no longer president

and installed an interim president prior

to the interim president was the leader

of the leader of the majority party

debates

information

had already placed an interim president

in his place while viktor yanukovych was

still in kharkov by the way and you

admit that they were 10 votes short of

actually legally impeaching him

therefore this was an illegal seizure of

power

who the interim president that was

installed who was this guy that was

installed

uh let me pull up his name

it was before

poroshenko it was it was the leader of

the opposition party it wasn't just a

random guy it was already somebody that

was like massively popular in their

electoral city it wasn't just

popular among

portions of western ukraine he was not

representative of the whole i'm just

saying you when you say installed a new

leader you make it something like they

picked a random view it was he was

installed because again they were 10

votes short of impeaching they were 10

votes before but after the people

started getting shot in the streets i'm

pretty sure that like literally

everybody but six people voted for the

impeachment afterwards

i think jackson i want to give jackson

maybe 30 seconds or so uninterrupted and

i promise we'll come back to the next

person

um i mean i didn't have a lot to say

other than i'm still looking up the name

of this guy that was before poroshenko

if you want me to

i'll also say that the we discussed this

destiny last time and you kind of made a

fool of yourself but uh most independent

experts that are investigating what took

place

in uh the made on square protest

recognized that it was uh euromaidon

controlled snipers specifically georgian

snipers that were responsible for the

deaths in the euromaidan square the

ukrainian security personnel thought

that it was uh it was euromaidon forces

that were responsible for this and

everyone regardless does agree that

these snipers were firing from

euromaidan controlled buildings that is

one thing that everyone does agree on

uh jackson actually real quickly i think

you either didn't know or you lied about

uh the timeline organic coaches escape

victorian coach left kiev on the 21st of

february and then turned up in mos and

turned up in moscow on the 26th of

february 2014 now the first yeti new

government was formed a day after on the

27th of february and uh at that point

when did they declare when did they

declare that he was no longer president

because that's what i was pointing out

here

oh that's i think that's that's at this

point is irrelevant uh if we want to go

will come right back to you and then

sure i just want to hear from you maybe

sure i just want to add this and if you

want to go by a popular vote then in

april 2014 according to a uh

center poll only four point nine percent

of ukrainians would have wanted to see

unicodes return to the presidency so i

guess that's that does it right popular

okay okay uh first of all destiny his

name was alex saint alexander

tuchenov tuchenov i i don't know i don't

know

second of all uh yes it does matter if

if viktor yanukovych is still in ukraine

specifically in kharkiv the second

biggest city

at the time in ukraine if they are

declaring him no longer president it

doesn't matter when they set up the new

government but if they're declaring him

no longer president they're 10 votes

short of getting a legal impeachment yes

that does matter because they are

illegally forcing him out of power

so are you like are you like a something

like census liberal now like the law you

know that we can't have a revolution

because yeah i think the constitutional

law in ukraine is pretty important when

you're talking about the illegal seizure

of power apparently you don't do that

in that case we we we will never have a

glorious social socialist revolution

because that's not that's not you can

just like be voted

why why are you bringing but to be clear

so ukrainian members of parliament voted

to oust yanukovych on the 25th of may

uh they were 10 votes short of achieving

an impeachment there was an impeachment

vote

okay well all i've seen is that they

they voted him out so are you saying

that that that's not true remember last

time when dylan burns tried to argue

that he was legally impeached and then

we had to go to the vote tally and show

that they were 10 votes short of getting

three quarters approval of a legal

impeachment was this before police

officers were firing on civilians or do

you do you think that the allegations

because i see here that the vote to

remove victor yanukovych from the post a

president of ukraine was passed by 328

members of parliament

so such ballots passed by what is called

constitutional majority are binding and

enter into forced media effect

so hold on is this according to

ukrainian law they were 10 short of the

necessary requirements was this before

police were being yeah i wanted to tell

you yes i want to ask you that question

um do you think that an allegation of

police firing on civilians is great

video of police firing is that is that

grounds for the dissolution of the the

form of a country's sovereignty which is

their constitutional law

um

has been used against protesters in

several countries across the street not

not not discounting the united states

does that mean that the the law and the

constitutional law should be suspended

uh but if the people if the people of

ukraine disagreed with what was

happening i would have expected that to

be reflected that's some vote

the people of ukraine were divided and

yanukovych represented the people in the

east based on the goal that adam just

gave me and vote

338 votes to get a legal impeachment

that's three quarters of the recognita

they only had 328. even with all the

threat of violence u.s pressure uh

london's pressure u.s pressure 10 votes

short of actually impeaching him while

he was still in the country

and they declared that he was no longer

president you understand how that's a

problem right

okay my so this is my timeline that i'm

understanding tell me if you agree with

this one so there is a vote initially

that you're talking about that failed by

10 members of parliament right then the

police um then the police deaths

happened the shooting of the protest and

everything happened then there was

another vote on february 22nd and then

afterwards yanukovych fled and then on

may 25th there was an election

that wasn't the second impeachment but i

believe on february 22nd they voted to

oust him no

february 27th 22nd

20th i'll link this or maybe you can

just say this is a fake vote okay

they're on the 22nd that's incorrect

february in fact it was february 23rd in

which they took the impeachment vote

according to what i have here maybe

link me what you have because what i

have here is a bbc article on the 22nd

saying ukrainian mps vote to oust

president yanukovych so that was

probably i i mean it's a bbc article

that's probably them announcing that

they were about to take this vote and

then yeah on february 23rd they took the

vote and they were 10 votes short

um

can you link me that show me that okay

articles can be updated i don't know if

you

the article is not updated okay well and

jackson's explanation is probably

the destiny i think uh i think we have a

problem i think i heard bbc is run by

george foreign jackson likes to mention

him a lot

that's a completely different

so it might be a suspicious oh yeah like

infra

if i if i were you i wouldn't talk like

didn't you debate like destiny like when

you teamed up with nick fuentes they

like idiots

again you're make bringing up all these

insubstantial uh comments and arguments

as to the actual debate we're having i

don't know why you would pivot to

something completely irrelevant maybe

it's because you're listening if we if

we wanna and even if we wanna move

forward in this conversation even if

theoretically we were to grant every

single thing that's being said that

there was like an illegal vote and that

this was like a coup or whatever this is

a bad thing none of this gives russia

the right to invade the country right

i wouldn't grant all of it but you know

if i did grant all of that

of february 23rd 2014 10 votes short of

getting a legal impeachment so i was

right

link me the article

in chat what you're talking about uh i

just sent it to you on twitter dm so i'm

on my why would you send it on twitter

just send it on on zoom you don't have

twitter

i don't feel like opening my fucking

twitter just

again on my on my pc i just did it for

you on my laptop are you are you

incapable of using twitter yeah i am i

think it's tauros is reading my dm so i

don't trust the platform okay

yeah i mean i i don't think that that

alone would justify a russian invasion

but you would have to do some serious

revisions about the events that led to

that

uh to make it seem like that was that's

even their justification

but just for the record i was right and

you were wrong so you can

apologize for being wrong about that

yeah sure anytime you want

uh so going through the article

yeah i mean if they were even if they

were 10 votes short i mean that's how

revolutions work that's how origin

changes work what are you talking about

he was still in the country this was a

violent seizure of power he fled and

they didn't think he was getting votes

to impeach him so you're the the whole

the the the argument you're making is

like well you know it's okay because

there were some people who wanted this

despite the fact that the constitutional

uh three-quarters majority was not met

that's like

just one thing adam's saying something

he's saying something pretty interesting

let's just read this because this is

what you guys tell me okay well

let me just i just want to respond

really quickly to what adam said um

you're saying that it was a revolution

and we can just suspend the law well i

think the people in the donbass would

say the same thing when they decided to

declare independent republics that was

their revolution you're saying 95

percent of people if polls constituted

grounds for a legal order i mean then we

would we wouldn't even have elections we

would just take polls obviously polling

those those elections were made under

russian gun points so that's a way

different situation do you have any all

right so are you trying to say that the

people of donetsk and lugongs are not

overwhelmingly in favor of when the when

the indonesia there were more

pro-russian sentiment ironically because

of the russian propagandizing for that

that's when they're either being brain

disorders

right right

just one second so yes so uh this is a

very complicated conversation

interesting nonetheless i don't know i

don't know if you want to get into it

though lots of new ones but the thing is

russia has been actively propagandizing

in the south and east of ukraine the

russian speaking part through their

media empire um like imagine like a 24 7

newsmax yeah yeah i understand it's just

funny you want to go down the argument

of propaganda when i mean the world's

media is more or less concentrated to

the united in the anglo-sphere and you

know obviously the united states

dominates as far as soft power media is

concerned so if you want to talk about

people being brainwashed by media i mean

what were what kind of ideas were

inspiring the people at the maidan it

was obviously as bad as as bad as as bad

as u.s media can be the russian russian

media russia propagandizing is an

entirely different beast don't worry

about it yeah but that's like your

opinion that's like europe no no

someone could say the same thing about

the united states media so the the so i

would say russian state media is like

fox news on crack right uh with some

imperialist agenda like it's like

announcement the difference is that

russian media hasn't led to the

wholesale destruction of places like

iraq libya and the middle east

led to the destruction of now the

russians speaking parts of ukraine so i

don't know what you're talking about it

seems like that destroys these reactions

this reaction was overwhelmingly caused

by the uh ukrainian paramilitaries and

military oh sure sure did the ukrainians

the ukrainians destroyed mario paul just

for fun right and like all these cities

like the pictures of the civilians let's

say you know i didn't think this debate

civilians did not say that that is true

can i can i read white jackson

uh destiny

do you want to talk to people jumping in

with the music since i put forward that

there was a vote on yeah can i can i

february 22 2014 to continue wait can i

just read what you said president why

are you so scared of me reading what you

sent me of the record in the wrong way

i don't understand of getting an

impeachment i don't understand can i

just read what you sent me or you're

going to interrupt me is that okay this

is what you sent me so i should be able

to read it i asked you a question and

you you interrupt me as if i'm the one

interrupting my god dude it's literally

it's like unbelievable you know i mean

this is in the most like sincere way

possible i think you might treat your

destiny

don't do it

okay i hope you find help

okay so

linking what jackson um linked me which

was the wikipedia article uh the

ukrainian revolution of february 2014

took place after a series of island

events towards protesters in the capital

kiev that culminated with the flight and

subsequent then president of ukraine

viktor yanukovych who was then removed

from the office there were no articles

impeachment against yanukovych the

verkovna rada committee voted on

february 22 2014

mps voted to remove viktor yanukovych

from the post of president of ukraine on

the grounds that he was unable to

fulfill his duties and to hold early

presidential elections on may 25th the

vote came an hour after yanukovych said

in a televised address that he would not

resign he subsequently declared himself

to still be the legitimate head of

ukrainian state elected in a free vote

by ukrainian citizens the action did not

follow the impeachment process as

specified by the constitution of ukraine

um which would have required a whole

like official putting forth like

impeachment charges and everything

but there was a vote that they held to

oust him as president because in order

for the government to continue

functioning they needed to do so because

he had abandoned his post was that an

unconstitutional vote or is that a

constitution i guess but it's all i mean

he left and so to quote your thing

instead the verkhovna radha declared

that yanukovych

withdrew from his duties in an

unconstitutional matter unquote and

cited circumstances of extreme urgency

end quote as the reason for early

elections destiny he was still in karkov

when they took this vote and the vote

says quote to confer the powers of the

president of ukraine on chairman of the

virgo narada which was

torture alexander whatever his name is

um and this is literally is kharkov

where the where the government is around

power and as you put it in ouster victor

yanukovych there were 10 votes short of

any constitutional requirement to

actually move through with this ouster

yeah to move

to do the impeachment they weren't able

to get the votes for but to actually

oust him to make sure the government

continued to function it seemed like

they voted almost unanimously to do so

but that's that was not a binding power

though he's still in the country there's

no reason for there to be an ouster well

the reason they cited was because the

guy fled from government and there was

no way there was no way to run the

government destiny i i was really bad at

math in high school but i'm pretty sure

wait acknowledge that he left the

government knowledge that he left the

government do you acknowledge that he

left the government he acknowledged that

he led the government he left the

capitol because i think so do you

acknowledge that he fled

after he ordered police to assassinate

protesters there was one about his

incursion into his office and in his

actual primary residence so yeah so

after that all took place he went to

russia but he was still in carcave so

the actual the argument here is that if

a head of state is evacuating the

capital because of a threat of violence

that is not the same as stepping down

from government if there's i agree with

that and they didn't follow their

impeachment process but they did vote

328 to zero to remove him from his post

which was not enough

i actually have one important thing to

add at that point uh after the firings

etc uh i think that i believe the reason

why they didn't have the constitutional

majority is because yanukovych's party

kind of just fled also and disbanded and

they basically all went to russia so uh

i think that was the reason why they

vote they didn't have the majority even

though they voted three two eight to

zero basically but you just called it a

revolution and you just said the law

didn't yeah it was

okay so you agree that it was not

it was not following the procedures of

the form of ukraine's sovereignty

enshrined in its constitution

it was following it it was still a

revolution those things are not

exclusive they definitely are

incompatible if you're if it's going to

be a revolution they're going to

overthrow the prior form of the legal

order in the sovereign order so they

didn't ask for their constitutional

requirement it was not i don't know

the

illegal order wasn't wasn't really

overthrown like the same legal system so

was the constitutional requirement met

or was it not met

it seems like the constitutional

requirement for impeachment wasn't met

but the reasons why we're extraordinary

it seems like they don't want to go

through the process but the ukraine's

legal order does not allow can we emerge

can we like use our can we can we

actually use our brains a little bit or

is it really going to be this retarded i

would love to use it like if we look at

if we look at this if we look at this

quote

i'm sorry the violence

the violence

can i just my 30 seconds and they can

respond so after he fled they didn't go

through formal impeachment charges

because the country was literally in

fucking chaos they didn't want to run

the courts and run the thing to figure

out like so they had a vote in their

parliament to see what they should do

did he abandon his post when they took

that vote the rada voted 328 to zero to

remove him from the government so that

the government could continue to

function so that the country wouldn't

fall into chaos after they voted to oust

him they held democratic elections and

followed their democratic process

afterwards that seems to happen now if

you want to call that like an illegal

coup or seize your power that's fine you

can do that but don't pretend that he

was just like kicked out of the

government and they installed a new

leader whatever that's not what that is

that's exactly what happened

elections to replace a president if you

have an illegal ouster of said

you consider that the entire pretext of

him leaving the capital was criminal and

illegal mass violence being conducted by

the citizens of by the people living in

kiev who were not acting as the

representatives of the entire people's

reign so if that's the pretext for him

leaving in the first place of course it

would not be legal

according to any democratic constitution

why did he leave the country

uh because of the threats of violence he

was facing why didn't zielinski leave

the country

uh zielenski's well protected wherever

he is and zalensky is what you told me

on this platform i think a month ago

that russia was going to control kiev in

literally three days you're telling me

that is well protected with the russian

military invading his country but you're

telling me that uh yanukovych was under

massive threat because of some riots

not only riots but various snipers fire

he didn't have the yanukovych did not

have the ukrainian security apparatus or

they literally did the whole becca root

or whatever police force was still

protecting him of course what do you

mean i understand that you understand

though that those police forces were

being sniped from the euro made on

controlled buildings in euromaidan

square so they were literally killing

police

is there any officers evidence of sniper

fire is that a real thing can you show

me that sniper fire on police officers

by protesters like massive evidence of

sniper fight you're the one who the

entire time throughout this debate

you've been saying that there was sniper

fire on protesters no what i said was

that that's what i said was that before

no no okay well i'm glad we have video

evidence

so if you write rewind what you'll hear

me say is that the police officers fired

on protesters we got video evidence of

it i didn't say this

rap god stop talking so you've been

saying throughout this entire debate

that was it before or was it after the

sniper fire began to rain down on the

protesters i don't know how many times

you've said this never like a broken

record and now you're saying that there

wasn't sniper fire and you want proof of

sniper fight i said that the police

fight do you want to bet like 10 bucks

on it if i said there was sniper fire

from police and protesters or if i just

said police fired on protesters you said

sniper fire i said police fired on

protesters you said sniper fire do you

want to bet on it do you want about 10

bucks

sure i'll bet 10 bucks okay give me the

clip i'll pay you ten dollars afterwards

if i did say it i misspoke and what i've

said a million times is that police

officers fired on protesters they

absolutely did there's video evidence

looked at by third parties you can go

and watch it right now

georgian police officers that were

controlled by the euromaidan protesters

no they were literally the yellow

whatever wearing police officers you can

see them in their police officer

protected possessions that's absolutely

advancing argument yellow wearing police

officers but what i can tell you is that

georgian police officers have actually

admitted to this in testimonies

you're just lying this is yeah i can't

engage with them if you want you can

literally google like this you can

google new york times police shooting

ukraine reconstruction and you can

literally watch videos put together by

independent people

thousands of hours of cell phone video

footage and put together like you can

see directly police shooting from areas

into protester areas you can see them

shooting and killing protests it's like

it's like

last time last time though the last

story was that that was the snipers were

polish now they're georgian i'm glad

like they just like i guess change with

the wind but uh no like what we disagree

with is that protesters reign or like

asia battalion or members or whatever or

right sector members uh

were sniping police there were

firefights but the massive uh sniping of

protesters happened by the police

there's video evidence that's incorrect

in fact there was a forensic ballistic

examination conducted

examination which showed that the bullet

samples found in protesters and police

alike uh in police databases did not

match up to the assault rifles that the

burkhut uh kalishnikov was using in

addition to that we also have several

former members of the georgian military

who testified that they and other groups

of made on snipers in the hotel ukraine

and the music conservatory were ordered

by specific made on leaders and

ex-georgian leaders to fire on police

and protesters and that they witnessed

the massacre

the the idea that so just i just want to

be clear on this so you're telling me

that you don't believe police officers

ever fired and killed at

protesters well now you're now you're

giving me like uh you're an absolute

statement maybe i don't know but what i

do know is that the deaths that we saw

in the euromaidan square um on that

bloody day where there was like several

dozen people were killed were killed by

snipers at the control of the euromaidan

uh protesters and organizers

okay so when i tell you that like the

the um they're what is it the bare root

okay also we're just gonna move past

ballistic evidence and act like that

didn't happen cool got it i i don't know

if you want to show me ballistic

evidence feel free to like me that as

well but um the idea if we're going to

bring olga bulga up in this debate um

the the i don't know i think ballistic

evidence is kind of important i don't

know

oh the

uh those police officers yeah they were

ordered by yanukovych to fire on

protesters and they did we have we have

video

why did the bullets not match up with

their assault rifles i don't know what

bullets match up with their assault

rifles mean if you get in if you get an

actual bullet and you get an assault

rifle you can look at the striations of

the round if you're i don't know if that

type of forensic analysis is done but

you can laugh all you want but like we

can watch the videos too it's like it's

just like it's 20 years

the year is 2014. we've got video

footage of fucking everything that

happens they've done a full

reconstruction uh like of everything you

can measure when the bullet leaves you

can hear the sounds across kind of

someone's and you can see who's getting

shot

it's not a mystery to you uh hinkle can

you can you link that to us can you link

that yeah

you did ask for that i will sure and if

anybody's bored here's this on the zoom

chat you want to watch it later you can

literally watch the the videos of people

getting killed you can see from multiple

cell phone angles where the shots are

coming from we've got cctv footage of

the police officers behind their

barricades shooting directly into

protests you can see from like four

different angles the bullet going

through the protester and killing them

you can measure the sound waves off of

every single fucking cell that's

recording it it's not a mystery like

and then meanwhile in your end you've

got like olga bulga saying she does

forensic investigation to prove that

it's all fake

yes it is for me for me there's like a

payoff i didn't even send it to you how

do you have a paywall oh sure that's

that's the one that i sent out oh sorry

sorry okay sorry sorry about it yeah it

was this thing sorry

okay so sorry sorry please please please

link it because i'm interested

is it no

i'm i'm going to go through it quickly

as destiny uh

takes the lead

um i like

not only is like everything that's been

said so far just completely without

substantiation even if it was we're

literally the only one if we're

providing substance even if we granted

every single thing you've said none of

this gets you anywhere near allowing

russia to invade another country to try

to break away terrorism that's the least

you know

to get to the point of russia invading

ukraine

we're just trying to first establish the

legitimacy of the will of the people

ganks and crimea uh because of the coup

and the maidan now as far as the events

leading up to russia's

intervention that's a different

sure so let's say that there was a coup

what is the justification for russia to

invade

um russia decided that it wanted to

settle the matter peacefully through the

minsk agreements which the ukrainian

government

had agreed to now if you could it's not

peace it's not peaceful to take

territory from another country you

understand that right right it's also

not peaceful to have a violent coup so

we're that's square

no hold on two wrongs don't make a right

right we thought that the belarusian

elections weren't um weren't allowed or

weren't okay yeah that means we can go

and invade belarus

sure it is definitely not just oh sure

we can it's definitely not just

justified for a country to come in and

just take territory regardless of the

will of the people living there but when

you do have an overthrow of the

constitutional order and the people of a

certain region overwhelmingly decide

that they want to join another sovereign

state that they're historically

ethnically and linguistically and

culturally closer to none of that

matters um that is definitely not the

same as a country just coming in and

taking it if people in their sovereign

capacity decide they want to join

another state that they feel will

represent them better than the one that

had just overthrew their democratically

elected representative that's not the

same thing as a country just coming in

so if enough people in texas voted to

secede and they wanted to join mexico

would mexico be right to send an army

into the united states to secure that if

there was a coup in the united states

that overthrew the constitutional order

and there was all this um you know

everything was thrown up in the air and

the people of texas for some reason were

no longer able to

uh have any sovereign representation in

the in you know in the capital then of

course it would be justified do you

understand the united

what you're doing for st around the

world when you say that if any country

has a coup another country has a right

to come in and peel off territory from

that country you know that's not what

i'm saying at all i'm not that's exactly

what you're saying no i'm saying that

you're saying that there was a cure in

ukraine and some group of people felt

like they weren't being represented as a

result of that coup so they want to

break away and join another country and

you're saying that that's the case

there's another country just coming in

and peeling it away because one implies

that they're just doing it at the

expense of the people living there the

other necessarily you can peel away we

could probably find some people in

mexico or canada that want to join the

us and send a military there to go and

support them like when you say also

acting as though that that coup

government wasn't responsible for

violence against its uh own civilians

who wanted to break away as a result of

the coup

by breaking away you've already

committed a violent act so of course i

would expect a country to violently

defend itself didn't you say two wrongs

don't make a right before no

self-defense is not a wrong if

somebody's trying to break away from

your country you have a right to defend

your sovereignty well if someone if

someone overthrows your democratically

elected representative which represents

they had democratic elections afterwards

did they not

no that those were not considered

legitimate by the people living there

because they already didn't consider

them legitimate

the people even considered even putin

considered these elections but putin is

not the people of eastern ukraine the

people of eastern the people of eastern

ukraine don't get to unilaterally just

say we don't like the elections

therefore they're not legitimate no but

they're going to make a good decision

they do get to say that if you overthrow

our elected representative we don't have

to recognize whatever new elections

you're doing because we already voted

for a guy before and you just got rid of

him

okay so it so if they didn't like the

new leader they have a right now to

basically that's not what i said whether

or not they liked him or didn't like him

there was an illegal ouster of this

president that was pressed by violence

from thugs of criminals that were

propped up by the united states and

people like current under under

secretary of state victoria newland

sounds like a true tsarist over here

true

okay i again i think adam you just

confined yourself to making like these

snide insubstantial comments no because

because i've heard because i've heard

them yes yes please so you know my

frustration with you is that you know

you you of course are way more into this

like hard like leftist

revolutionary aesthetic you know yeah

and and and then here we are and then

you know i'm supposed to be like the the

the uh either libka or nazi or whatever

and then it's you who are questioning

like who are saying that a a a a a a

revolution or regime change is not valid

because

they didn't you didn't get the votes no

if you want to have a philosophical

argument

the glorious solution failed because we

did we're 10 votes short so something

interesting wait what's this one more

point something that was also mentioned

that when you know i think he could

mention that like the the mob stormed

the the like the palace of yanukovych

right uh which is like it wasn't the

storming people just they kind of showed

up to his villa which is uh which is you

know

where where where did that come from

right the money for it and people just

strolled in and to this day it's it is

the museum of corruption in ukraine you

can go up it's it's in vegetaria it's in

the northern suburbs

friendly documentation legal this is the

yeah this is the same energy as as you

know uh soviet like

communist troops red troops showing up

to bizarre palaces in russia and looking

around looking around saying wow look no

that's the reason that's not comparable

no it's the people yeah the reason

that's not comparable is because the

october revolution was already

precipitated by the february revolution

which overthrew an autocracy which was

not a modern democratic state in any

capacity it was not some kind of

constitutional order it was a pure

autocracy which was overthrown already

by the um february revolution and it was

the kerensky government which was in

power at the time which also um you know

lost in the constitutive elections with

the unity of the bolsheviks and the left

srs deciding that they wanted to um get

out of the war and uh

over overthrow so you know what the

comparison is completely um void you

know you can't say about my point

like i mean my point was that was that

you you you you you so vehemently

opposed the spirit of this whole thing

right because yanikovic wasn't an

absolute monarch but he was actually

leading towards it you know ordering his

police to fire it but you're saying

signing in the protest

he criminalized protesting for example

and he also made it legal to try people

in absentia so if so even if you aren't

in the courthouse you cannot defend

yourself don't have a lawyer the court

can just sentence you to 20 years of

prison for uh for just uh

the united states right now is illegally

extraditing julian assange to lock him

up in the cia black site for 175 years

something anywhere comparable to the

laws that yanukovych passed before the

country

i don't know why you keep like bringing

up this this conspiracy theory that

there was snipers raining down on the

protesters that were controlled by

viktor yanukovych when i just sent you

proof uh testimonies

on the ground there who were saying that

they saw a sniper shooting from hotel

ukraine

i saw a sniper near the roof of the

hotel

and another sniper on the roof of this

hotel on uh

so

palestine these were all ukrainian

euromaidan controlled buildings so there

were wait there's no ballistic analysis

on this article no we do have we do have

the uh i went through this article too i

i went through this article it's written

by uh even

whatsoever it's like you know you have

no sources i think the guy is strongly

insisting basically

he links to his study

there's an irony here because you said

something earlier you said something

about how if i'm a revolutionary why do

i think a constitutional order is

important yeah right

why are you such a bootlegger yeah yeah

yeah yeah

i want to actually talk about that

because because your argument actually

reminds me of a literal argument

mussolini and hitler made when they were

approached by the communists about

suspending the legal constitutional

order of their respective con

oh it was just a revolution just like

what you guys did and this evinces the

fact that um it seems like these like

ultra liberals like yourselves and

outright fascists and nazis have the

same line of thinking that you could

a constitutional order of a country at

the expense of the actual people living

there and moreover not only can you do

that but you can actually deny the

ability for people who want to after the

suspension of this constitutional order

have their own revolution and say that's

somehow illegitimate and illegal you

can't at the same time speak on behalf

of the legal order while at the same

time having overthrown it so pick your

argument i'm not even saying that oh i'm

just defending the constitutional order

of ukraine i'm defending the right of

the people in donetsk and lugongs and

crimea to exercise their sovereign right

to secede from ukraine sure but but when

that happened when those votes happened

in doneness and luhansk they were

already occupied by paramilitary troops

supported by russia so it was happening

under gunpoint saving crimea so those

those are not the same so when you say

it happens under gun point are you

trying to say that if it weren't for

that fact there wouldn't have been

overwhelming pro-russian sentiment in

those regions

you're saying

in crimea government buildings were

taken over by the polite green men that

was russians pets nuts and uh basically

there are demonstrations in front of

those government buildings by ordinary

crimeans who actually were expressing

protests against the coup of the myo

because the streets are full of russian

special forces with guns so those were

all russian special forces who were

gathering in front of the

capitol building uh in uh

crimea is that what you're trying to

allege but the the little green men with

the advanced russian weaponry and the

green suits and what about the mobs

there was a billion protesters who were

protesting the ousting of yanukovych and

crimea were those little green men

who

the protesters the civilians the

protesters that were uh very frustrated

at the idea that there was this illegal

ouster of their president that they were

sure and then and they

yet and then in addition to that uh when

as you put it they had democratic

elections they didn't want those people

to vote in the donbass they didn't want

people in donetsk in lugonz to be able

to vote in the so-called democratic

election so i don't really know why wait

people in the donbass were kept from

voting for new leaders for new

leadership there were no

certain portions yes actually

oligarchical governors were appointed by

the ukrainian government to in this

feudal way rule over the people

of the of the donbass

of course like i've never heard that

before yeah no no no like never heard of

those

this actually yeah but this is actually

a more of a russian thing to have

regions be ruled by strongmen

lugong's people's republics overthrew

people like colombia

and other oligarchical families that had

directly controlled the government

columnist

was it was in in a dini

they overthrew and unseated these

oligarchical families

there in the east yanukovych was the big

wig in town right it was his base yeah

but he was he was

he was appointed after the maidan to

serve as governor to be clear he was

only dismissed in 2016 by poroshenko

that was years after victoria

you guys deny that the ukrainians were

planning a full-scale invasion why do we

jump from like one conspiracy to the

next really can't solve any point like

well we put up all this evidence and we

put up we give you guys all these

sources and then you say well i don't

believe these sources

we go into the q a so i do want to make

sure that people are able to hear what

you guys are saying mm-hmm yeah so at

this point like hinkle is kind of out of

arguments and he's checked i'm going to

do it i'm good to go like right to the

cuneiform yeah me too i mean i think

we're going to do no no i would like to

address one last thing uh do you deny

that the ukrainian uh top brass military

personnel were planning a full-scale

invasion into the dombass in march of

2022. i don't know how you can invade

your own sovereign territory march march

of 2022 as in like a month like weeks

after the russian invasion began

no prior to the russian invasion that

was february launched there was

documents that were being prepared by

top military brass

uh that they were going to launch an

invasion into the donbass of full-scale

so okay okay so so so let me get you

straight ukraine so russia masses all

these 100 150 000 troops on the border

right on the other side of the 100 000

plus that ukraine had amassed yes in

their own country

ukraine is trying to control their own

borders russia is trying to invade

another country why would you try to

equate these two things that presumes

that it can rightfully be said to be

their borders it is because even russia

and every other sovereign state on the

planet recognized it as their borders of

course

in 1994 the budapest memorandum in 1994

which russia agreed to uh 1981 anyway

russia russia agreed to ukraine's

borders and i guess that was i guess

that was like that was under the

presumption that the russian speakers in

eastern ukraine were going to be

democratically represented i know

where do you where that wasn't written

into the recognition

you can't make a conditional foundation

that is written in the foundation of

since 1991 the modern european uh

iranian state itself it's right show me

where it's written that we can invade

your country if we feel like you're not

well that's not gross

exactly so don't even try to pretend

okay ukrainian states founding was

premised on the idea that everyone was

going to be given democratic

representation

including the people in the east who

spoke russian also the people who were

ethnically russian this deal was

necessary for a stable transition into

the

soviet era it wasn't necessary for any

city

do you think the ussr had a recall and

whether or not the republic broke off

from the ussr

but they had no control over it on a

multilateral level countries now you're

just making up words now no why

countries like russia belarus and others

and also the western partners who were

dealing with

all did have to negotiate the terms

under which this was happening and then

finally you know it would have been

unthinkable at the time for the

stability of the reason i mean it was

already unstable you had places like uh

abkhazia and ossetia and the

transnistria with these disputed

territories and populations i mean so it

was unstable these aren't disputed these

are broken off by russia no they were

not broken

georgia yeah of course not by russia but

by the people living was that

was that uh the brigade that they were

planning to launch this formal invasion

into the dombass with was trained by u.s

and british instructors in lev or lev in

accordance we're not training their

territories literally they had they had

began supplying increased amounts of

military artillery to ukraine then they

were planning this full-scale invasion

with nato trained ukrainian brigades and

they were going to slaughter even more

civilians in the dombass which is going

to vote for russia launching this

protective

uh protective mission whatever you call

it uh to stop this from happening to

continue slaughtering that is what's

going to take place

and a blood and soil genocide is more

like it but i'm going to quote again

you're literally a nazi i'm going to

literally

i'm going to close i'm going to close

with with a quote from sergey lavrov uh

we do within our borders what we what we

want we move our military we do military

maneuvers the way we choose and no other

country has any say in the matter

republics are disputed territory and

ukraine signed the minsk disputed by

disputed by whom

by the people living there and the

ukrainian government that's why there

was a conflict that's why there was the

minsk agreements which the ukrainian

government voluntarily signed and then

later claimed they had signed at

gunpoint even though france and germany

were also parties to that agreement

anyway legally to this day no one really

like officially contested the duterte

maybe russia made statements through the

fact but as far as international

agreements are concerned russia still

yeah that area to be ukraine yeah but if

internationally we can go to the q a if

you wanted

international agreements are not the

sole factor in defining what constitutes

states i i i thought the law was super

important now there's there's

sovereignty at the internal level and

then sovereignty at the external level

now internally

sovereignty is remember how mad your

neighbors are i guess yeah yeah

internal sovereignty is determined by

things like this i mean read the basic

explanations of your liberalism your

liberal thinkers talk about the social

contract and the need for an agreement

to be come to between the government and

the people uh unless what i mean thomas

jefferson even he said that it is right

and justified for a people to overthrow

their government if they're not in a

constitutional way people to overthrow

their government not for a foreign power

to come in and take over your shit when

there's

you yourself admitted that while putin

recognized the new government of ukraine

it's the people in the eastern ukraine

who didn't so it's not a foreign

government whose opposing it's foreign

troops that have been on the ground

since 2013 in the donbass that is that

23rd i mean that is your allegation

uh let's move into the next one i hate

to do this guys but just because we want

to get you guys out of here by a decent

time didymus says by the way folks all

of our guests are linked in the

description if you'd like to hear more

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podcast we put our guest links in the

description box there too didymus says

ukrainian nationalists did not get their

anti-semitism from the nazis they were

doing pogroms during the russian civil

war

yeah but the nature of the anti-semitism

as voiced by people like bandera during

the 30s was qualitatively different than

whatever historical european pogroms

were happening uh before so that's just

just because that's like saying there

was pogroms in the medieval times in

ukraine it doesn't speak to the unique

character of the anti-semitic violence

during the holocaust

everybody hitler's industrialism and

nonsense anti-semitism was this like

weird ultimate almost ultimate

culmination of essentially hundreds

hundreds of years of like a christian

anti-jewish propaganda and like

traditional european uh yeah well you

could also say it was the it was

actually the result

and then we got it because the question

was originally for you and then we got

to go to the next one because we're

crunched on time

infrared if you wanted to say something

like i was going to say it was unique

because it represented this

post-christian pan-european pagan idea

that the jewish people are foreigners to

europe and that they have to and then

just like the slavs and just like other

so-called sub-human races was there

anti-semitism across europe like all

over europe past world war one like it

wasn't like one or two countries right

but yeah but the only way

of the next question anyway

sorry oh this one from mitchell says

question for both sides if you had the

power and money to end this war how

would you do it supply more heavy

weapons to ukraine until they crush the

russian army to the dust so we can

restore the borders of ukraine that

russia originally agreed to and then we

can later on we can do fun stuff like

break up the russian empire into its

constituent states so they will we will

not have an imperialist power wage

active war in you in europe in 2022

again into 21st century um

in jackson you want to go you can go

yeah very very simple i mean what ezov

something just said is a effort to

prolong the war um what i would do is

i'd make the proposal and hopefully

ukraine would have some sense of uh

you know logic and agree to it and

understand that if they don't it's going

to end up much worse for them

that you have to seed the regions that

russia has already established control

over including donetsk lugansk and

crimea because russia has the ability to

continue advancing uh russia should also

get mikolai of zapergia and odessa very

historically significant town to them

ukraine must remain neutral meaning no

nato uh you know stationing of artillery

or personnel or training in the country

anymore

and

all official nazi outed nazi

battalions and regiments and political

leaders must appear before an

international tribunal to try them for

war crimes if any crimes of aggression

that would be set before an

international charter also um just i in

addition to all that because i agree

with all that since we're talking about

power and money i would also invest in

the infrastructure and economic economic

development of both eastern and western

ukraine such that the source of

neo-nazis nazi extremism and

anti-russian sentiment uh because

they're blaming russia for their own

oligarchical zombie economy i would have

mutual economic development which would

lead to long lasting peace in the region

i would say that the agreement should be

really simple all of the territory

should be returned to ukraine this

includes the donbass and it includes

crimea russia should probably even leave

sebastopol i think they've lost any any

legitimate claim they've had even

running the base there um i think that

russia has shown that they are incapable

of sustaining any long-term ground war

they are their military discipline for a

variety of reasons it's just abysmal and

the further and longer that the war goes

on the more russia's economy is going to

suffer and the more you know what little

military honor they had will shrink and

disappear into nothing

russia's economy is really being hit huh

kind of

keep in mind that all of these guys that

are laughing right now called that the

war would be over in like a week

you are literally on record i can bring

the clip up of you sang admitting you're

you're literally

okay just to be clear literally

yeah but just just to be clear about

that what i said was that in my view

that things had would not have gone as

planned well i was wrong about that now

they didn't but will you admit that you

were wrong about the

will you depression that you were wrong

about the ruble being totally worthless

even though not only has i their

currency is having extreme trouble right

now but the ruble has reached historical

highest bloomberg just announced that

the ruble's the top performing currency

in the world and you that something

crazy how that works huh definitely true

right

now

not only is the ruble the top

performance

not only is it the top performing

currency in the world russia's military

is one of the strongest standing armies

in the world the military just want to

strengthen

is super on point everything is going

exactly it's incredible this one is

incredible

next question so triggered gotta go

pedro hm thanks very much says why

pro-russian ukrainians don't move to

russia why not offer asylum it seems a

simpler solution than annexing a whole

country it's five usd by the way because

oh that's an easy one oh yeah

it's their it's their homeland where

they're living where they're settled

during the soviet union that was the

bread and butter of their way of life

and how did they get there by the way

it's a uh it depends on who some were

there how did how did ethnic russians

get to ukraine by the way that is like

centuries

funny he's

the real answer is russia doesn't want

those ethnic ukrainians or the ethnic

russians from ukraine to go back they

don't give a fuck about those people

those people are only in ukraine so that

they can have a claim to the territory

why would russia want all the ethnic

russians and they'd have less of a

reason to do a civil war over there

i know you're triggered but no one can

hear you

do you not even know what i know

they've been there for centuries what

are you talking about the reason why

they should not have to flee to russia

is because that is their home and they

shouldn't have to leave it because a u.s

installed

apparatus has decided that they want to

harass murder and torture the civilians

there because they don't like their

leadership or their controlled

leadership yeah okay next question i

think we're done mr monster says it's

not that i support ukraine it's that i

support humanitarianism needles needless

to say a lot of innocent lives are being

lost though putin uh putin needs to stop

girl

yeah i mean it's i mean the the most

horrible thing is that like russia went

in saying that like oh we're we're about

to protect the russian-speaking

ukrainians from from like the little

russians from the evil ukraine and the

nazis and the most of the and

essentially the overwhelming casualties

of the war are russian-speaking

ukrainians because russia is just going

fucking scorched earth as as we've seen

like cruise missiles hit presidential

neighborhoods artillery barrages the

dos-1 thermobaric missiles hit hit you

know housing areas uh massive civilian

casualties in mario paul currently

they're trying to cover up the the uh

civilian death toll we see mass graves

up on messages

but like in ukraine i mean it's like

someone takes a shit on the street

russia will say it was asap so you know

yeah it just so happens that youtube

censorship enforces all of these

allegations you're saying we're not even

allowed to contest any

fucking

again god damn it yeah yeah george

would you deny that because

your view can't even be debated because

it's enforced by youtube censorship and

yet here we are debating it right now no

we're not debating

it individual claims he just made about

russia's uh we literally can't talk

about that or else they'll demonetize us

yeah

demonetize wow

wow wow they remove their

saying if you talk about something

they're going to remove your ability to

monetize your company

they also issue this censorship i'm

sorry they've also issued suspensions

over it as well if you want censorship

look at look at what russia is doing

with these journalists

last thing last thing if you want

censorship look at what zielinski has

done in banning all opposition parties

and locking up and prisoning torturing

yeah

look at what the s does look at the long

list of names considering that you're uh

imagine that you have a problem in the

world with the sbu death squads and yeah

what about people like john toxier

like is this some kind of like far right

conspiracy theory that you guys are like

pushing you're the only conspiracy

theorist here of course

this one fernandez t says here to

support you james thanks for your kind

support friends says and by the way 100

of super chats are going to go to

charity today that one is linked in the

description box they uh said

uh let's see thanks for your support

though and captain v says for sb three

says what's worse a league of

grind or this debate

this one coming in from chris morlock's

is for

lestany and sodom

ukraine sorry is what it says they say

you create reform i love you guys

ukraine reformed its national guard in

2014. it had not existed since 2000

seven battalions were instantiated from

ultra right groups source wall street

journal 2014.

i mean if what percentage of those

people were nazis what percentage of

them were like nationalist radicals we

don't know this is just like

you know source please

yeah it's almost like it's it's it's a

good it's like how many people in the

area

are nazis

uh quite quite a lot of them the humans

actually

yes yes absolutely in west germany there

is this based on like polling data

within germany in west germany the ifa

is generally trying to be like a more

traditional right-wing populist party in

the east it's full on blood and soil and

you can actually keep track of this

through empirical data if you look it up

okay well i don't see the data

confirming that look it up i mean

wikipedia

okay well that's too suspicious for you

i think this is the debate between

people who know what they're talking

about on wikipedia

you realize that jackson literally

linked me a wikipedia article earlier to

talk about the yes

i use your own source to prove you wrong

something that you still haven't

apologized for but whenever you want to

i'm open to it i might consider it okay

i might consider your apology all right

there's less than you mean anyway the

analytical failure says if they're if

there were 10 votes short that's how

coups work

nice

okay also said evidence i want people to

know don't you understand that there's

been elections in the u.s where the

margins were really small those margins

matter

a chris morlak says for adam the 2014

referendum held in crimea donetsk

92 voted to join russia you claim the

entire population of these areas 7

million people

over 85 percent turnout was at russian

gunpoint

sure do you think there was like an

incentive to to go out and vote actually

you know what the better question when

the ukrainian military is there

that's the question the question was for

me uh in those areas the ukrainian

military was not there the ukraine

minister did not exist almost at the

time had like two or three thousand

deployable troops and that's it so

a better question though what would have

happened if the people accidentally

voted uh that they want to remain part

of ukraine like do you think russians

would have just like packed up and it's

like okay well i guess

with other people and we have just left

crimea and left the dumbass yeah the

dumbass of course not uh obviously the

people uh pro ukrainian people at that

point so these referendums happened

later after the russian takeover so i

mean pro-ukrainian people kind of saw

the writing on the wall there's russian

troops you know abducting people etc and

essentially

threatening people um or

so like a massive chilling effect as

well so

uh those people who uh who are

prohibition will stay those people who

are ukrainian will most likely leave as

it happened in crimea for example but

actually the russian uh some russian

oregon like i have this long video about

ukraine check it out in that i covered

that this russian state organization

accidentally excellently leaked the real

kremlin uh like the real crimea

referendum results and it was really

close to 50 50 with much of the

pro-ukrainian population having i'm sure

that was real

oh sure

i have a question oh is the q a section

feel free i know i have a question adam

i'm sure it's going to be good faith

yeah

very good faith adam your videos prior

to uh starting the ukraine coverage

where i thought they were pretty

interesting they're about infrastructure

they're about like transport you seemed

very obsessed with making sure that the

trains were arriving on time and all

that oh yes yes different areas you were

covering and talking about

very very obsessed actually with trains

arriving on time

talking about trains arriving on time to

go to defending nazis like stefan

bandera yeah yeah holocaust trains nazis

auschwitz we we get the idea of sure i

don't defend nazis in fact

you defended azov and stefan bandera i

didn't defend azov i said i support the

idea of throwing a's up at the russians

that way you can uh stand the tide of

imperialist aggression from russia and a

bunch of nazis die in the process

of the presence of a military uh means

it's at gunpoint have you ever presence

of a foreign military dude how can you

be so dense hold on

it's okay

have you ever considered that if let's

just assume you're right in the foreign

military was there you ever consider

that the foreign military was only there

because it was like overwhelmingly

already known that the region had

pro-russian sentiment now it wasn't

formally

it doesn't matter i don't know why you

keep using this childish argument

whether or not you have pro whatever

sentiment or antibiotics doesn't give

the right for a military to go into

another country okay you're saying new

elections military well they're

occupying a country that's really

misleading to say it's a foreign

military when the people living there

are russian speakers many of them ethnic

russians militaries aren't decided by

them they're not even citizens they're

even many of them are even citizens of

the russian federation wait wait

militaries aren't decided by where else

other people have citizenship for it

what the distinguishing like yeah i know

but it's just misleading you're making

it seem like

you're making it seem like they were

that's grounds for the idea that they

were coerced into voting the way they

were but it can be granted the idea that

they're corrupt

they took part of a country away from

another country and held new elections

there

you're right it is possible for that to

happen but in context it's clearly not

the case sure let me ask you this one

good fake question adam kind of post

earlier okay if they would have voted to

stay with ukraine do you think russia

would have packed their shit up and left

i genuinely do i think they would have

been they were absolutely delusional

they would have been

it's incredible that you're putting this

argument forward when

literally victor yanukovych was the one

who said he didn't want to work with the

eu and as a result of that the us

actually cooed him out of political yeah

you can say him you can say that as much

as you do well you're trying to have an

ex like all right there's no evidence

for a coup you can say it as much as you

want but there's no evidence

you can't just repeat fake shit over and

over again

so crimea was brainwashed but the maidan

people were not brainwashed by us the

maidan people were ukrainians they were

protesting they weren't brainwashed by

uh western media but the people in

eastern ukraine were brainwashed they

were brainwashed by western they saw

western people living happy democratic

economically prosperous lives and they

thought wow i want that yeah their lives

have gotten that was the brainwashing

they were also so much better under the

western sphere of influence it's

incredible how the state of ukraine has

just prospered oh no when the russian

oligarchs were running fucking

everything in ukraine they were doing

way better than true absolutely

absolutely it's not like ukraine is one

of the most corrupt countries in the

fucking world

of liberal democracy that gives rise to

oligarchy historically ah there we go

now we're getting to the real russian

argument these would actually be

interesting debate if you guys weren't

so fucking like slimy if you want to

have the real conversation of like the

collapse of like western liberalism and

russia seeing itself is like kind of

instilling itself it's kind of a new

world like multiple things

that's the actual interesting

conversation so the real reason why

russia's invading agreement is you guys

aren't honest enough about that

privatized and the free market decided

this was i'd be happy to have that

concentrated no you're you're too

because under liberal democracy

oligarchs reign free that's why putin

has to be authoritarian to bring them in

must move forward gnarly bones full says

can jackson hinkle update us on the nato

commanders in avastal

so i can't because the russians have not

publicized any of their names but they

have announced that there's going to be

uh war criminal tribunals that involve

nato instructors and mariupol that take

place

wow

imagine airship

this one coming in from chris morlock

says

destiny and adam how does it feel let's

see

how does it

feel to be losing the conflict and i

don't know if they mean that if they're

trying to suggest that

i think they mean they can't be talking

about ukraine losing the conflict

because that's just

they say and looking at novo roycea

yeah yeah yeah okay so this is so they

do mean the they do mean the complex no

i mean the russian offensive in several

days actually pretty embarrassing they

pulled up the it's like select guardian

troops they deviate like which is there

they're like uh paratroopers also wagner

and they pulled together like twenty

five but basically technical groups

two assault civilians and they were

fucked by ukrainians holy shit ukrainian

sort of a

feigned retreat to this industrial area

to the west of the city and then

russians like came in guns blazing

ukrainians can kind of just like boop

camera attack bank and uh this is like

this actually this won't be like a

design say win but it's going to be like

an attrition thing

they've literally lost every single

major battle and uh zilinski

what are you saying two days ago what

are you talking about

zolensky just went out two days ago shut

the fuck up zelinski went out two days

ago

ukraine is currently losing a hundred

troops a day that is

aggressive yeah it's called war but like

control

of the city

show me the evidence

excuse me like what what battle ensued

in kiev

russia literally has like retreated from

even attempting to get killed

my question is what that there was

there was no battle in kiev because they

didn't even make it that far because

because i'm glad we figured that out i'm

glad we figured out just tried to roll a

couple of tanks across the street and

hope that your friend would surrender

out the obvious adam's something

like that russia no that's great honest

question though like wait jake jackson

honest question like who who do you

think you're convincing with this like

there was no better you just said there

was no battle in kiev

sure yeah because russians couldn't

couldn't reach that far because you

couldn't even stop them and then the

russians had to retreat like this

adam if there was no battle in kiev in

russia they surrounded mariopol with a

four to one uh troop ratio and in

that best they had a one to one point

five ratio meaning they had no

intentions to actually invade the city

uh do you think that potentially they

were staging troops in busha to try and

offset ukrainian troops and kiev and

make sure that they had to stay hunkered

down there absolutely

this is the biggest fucking cope i've

ever heard of my wife oh my god dude

that's called a strategy have you never

heard it's consistent with the

originally announced rules they've never

because this is important to what you

said you are literally arguing that in

serving on yes right now that the

ukrainians are operating a faint

strategy but you act like the russians

couldn't have potentially argued or

carried out a faint strategy in kiev

which is

it's it's it's the best faint ever dude

like lose thousands it is

everywhere on the ground and then got

him dude

unaccompanied armor getting destroyed by

like dudes with fucking rocket launchers

on their shoulders like there's no

infantry accompanying literally any of

their troops anywhere like this

reddit combat footage you can literally

watch the videos in what world are you

losing thanks to one dude stepping out

of a fucking garage with a fucking

rocket launcher are you serious they

didn't fight in kiev and they were

fainting to keep troops stationed in

kiev and that's what they've continued

to do

yes what do you think that they would

otherwise be doing there so so yes

because because the troops around give

or troops there are territorials mostly

who would have stayed there anyway and

russia knew this so this was the whole

thing the the mobile part of the

ukrainian army which can be sort of a re

can be sent east like those were already

sent east the people who were around

kiev most of them were territorials so

even if it was a faint most of the

troops would have stayed there anyway so

it was pointless and it's even more

ridiculous but of course it wasn't

shifting which is why the russians

let's see

love watching people like destiny

defending uh

gosh they say next time he claims

someone is quote dog whistling about a

nazi conspiracy theory just remind him

he supported genocidal nazis against

slavic people

who are you talking about nato shit in

yugoslavia i have no i don't even know

that's a reference to but okay

this one coming in from virgin cia rad

lib question for destiny

it's just folks we're looking for

meaningful questions here

he's stephen

okay this is coming in from you know

you've got thick skin you've been on the

internet longer than i am okay bubble

gum gun says 80 of ukraine government

positions are held by

i israel know it's true it's a full-on

nazi country guys

this one coming in from pole says i was

agreeing with jackson at the start but

then he made fun of the other let's see

he was being rude question for adam what

are his thoughts about turkey blocking

finland and sweden from joining nato

um as for being rude to adam i don't

have a lot of sympathy for nazi

defenders uh as for turkey and nato uh i

have a question for adam on what he

thinks oh go for it

so sure so turkey is now adorable is a

huge piece of shit obviously but like

turkey is now trying to eke out some

sort of concession from from nato

countries they will not keep up the

block forever i think

uh but uh what they want to basically

aragon is trying to tie up some loose

kurdish ends with this because sweden

and finland have been like friendly to

the kurds and plus they are trying to

end the blockade of of like the and the

empire go on like turkish arms purchases

it's like a real politic thing i think

it'll be interesting how the constituent

members of the liberal democratic

alliance whether in the eu or nato

increasingly assert their own

sovereignty with these authoritarian

strong men it's almost like liberal

democracies failing the world over

poland hungary turkey i mean what's next

yeah i mean russia is definitely not

controlled by an authoritarian strong

man of welcome for sure whatever russia

is not a liberal no russia is not a

liberal democracy that's not it's like

it's a far right ethno state yes it's

not an ethno state it's the opposite of

an ethno state you're literally making

ethnic arguments for russia to invade

other countries that's not an ethno

state what the fuck is

that it's not because literally ethnic

arguments

russians so they should be able to

invade

ethnic russians ossetians are not ethnic

russians

how many times have you and jax has had

ethnic russians in this debate to

justify aggression

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to illustrate the historical cultural

and civilizational ties between

historical culture and civilization you

can talk about history culture and

civilization that's what you're saying

though you're saying ethnically russian

yeah it's in addition in addition not an

addiction

the only reason why i wasn't asking you

jackson i was asking

these people

we don't

i don't know why he's answered

why the ethnic russian argument is

important is because ukraine is led by a

group of anti-ethnic russian sycophants

that want to kill them all and rid them

from ukraine

uh fascists that want to get them out of

their country admittedly did the

freshers who have one seat out of 450

got it the fascist that was the chair of

the virgo narada yes andre parubi this

one who is now out of power by the way

for like years big rhymes so it says

documentation of the extent of nazi

integration into the ukraine national

guard includes extensive documentation

by wapo vice and even cnn russian

propaganda i presume

i mean of course there are four right

elements as in with any security

structures and at that point this is why

i advocate uh seeking and seeking them

at the russians right because at that

point you'll stop the imperialist

onslaught and you'll end up with less

nazis it's also what the it's also what

the uh the british intelligence wanted

to do with hitler against the soviets so

congratulations for re-enabling fascism

and nazism historically yeah yeah good

thing the only people re-enabling it

would be russia that's attacking me into

the country then and valencia left when

the azov battalion was assumed in 2014

into the military it's not like they

kept their like they have this like

official far-right leadership or

whatever you guys can keep going to try

to find like historically the commander

of the azov battalion no he was he left

in 2014 when they were into the military

you can look even at the key of

independent they still quote him as the

commander of the azov attack the current

commander is is like proko pensky or

some shit it's not it's not boletsky

left when they were assumed into the

military he literally he literally was

in mariupol

i don't know where he is i don't really

care but i know that the current leader

of the azor but looking out the key of

independence literally quoted him as

such when he made the claim that there

was a chemical the current commander is

denise procopenco as of 2017 to now and

biletsky left in 2014.

i can quote you're on wikipedia at you

since you liked that as a source so much

here you go you can read this everybody

there you go what's the next question

system coming in from chris moral access

for adam

did russia send 50 000 troops to take a

kiev a city of 3.5 million it pulled

five afu battalions off the dunbas line

and allowed for the current situation 95

of lugansk under russian control

can you repeat that question the first

part especially yep they said did russia

send 50 000 troops to kiev a city of 3.5

million oh yeah okay okay got you got

you yeah so yes because the russian

played originally was that the kiev uh

regime you know they did not see hunter

or whatever will collapse and the

ukrainian troops will lay down their

arms in the face of the overwhelming

russian superiority which of course

didn't happen actually in the first sure

listen to that ladybird

um and also also in the in the first few

days of the war we saw uh russians uh

essentially charging into kiev just like

small disparate operations it also in in

in in ukrainian uniforms which is a war

crime by the way but they get executed

there were multiple uh multiple attempts

at zerensky's life so basically these

these idiots uh imagine that the

ukrainian army will just disperse and

they're just gonna roll into the city

you have evidence

yes and have a victory parade on the 9th

of may uh actually funny thing is in

many cars uh in many uh vehicles of the

russians they found these like parade

uniforms like these idiots actually

thought that they're gonna have the

ninth of may parade on like crosstalk

that sounds like something completely

new oh whoa hey dude this question it

was for me feel free to answer your

question if you get one so anyway this

was the plan it was horribly misguided

they had to revise it like eight times

and now it now it looks like the russian

army has finally culminated in several

years a town of hundred thousand uh

which which is just embarrassing so

we'll from now on i think we'll be

seeing more and more sounds like they

were targeting strategies

i'm not i'm not done uh and after that

we'll be seeing more and more ukrainian

harassment counter-attacks and russian

nutrition and we'll see hopefully the

russian empire will collapse

i'm just curious for jackson and hobbs

give you guys a chance to talk can you

explain what was the uh what was the

russian strategy behind sending like so

many like unaccompanied apcs and

unaccompanied tanks to just get like

solo destroyed by people with rocket

launchers what was the strategy there

plus the 30-mile truck convoy don't

forget that yeah can you explain what

the military structure was first say

i'll first say uh destiny you are right

about politsky no longer being commander

but i incorrectly quoted the kia of

independent who on april 11 said that he

was azov's leader and they've been known

to lie throughout this war so i

incorrectly quoted them uh i get i

quoted them correctly but they

incorrectly reported i guess is a better

way of saying it as to why russian

military tanks were blown the hell up i

mean they've yeah they they lost a lot

of military personnel there was multiple

times in which ukrainians uh when

russians were trying to enter certain

cities they just blew entire uh platoons

and units up they they slaughtered them

um but overall the military strategy of

russia has been been a flow of water

approach where they go where they can go

and if they get stopped by ukrainians

they don't continue pushing through into

the city

it's a special operation

it's a very special operation

this is very funny

yeah so there was multiple attempts

where they tried to go into certain

cities and they were blown up and they

were slaughtered by the ukrainians

that's a that's a true thing there's

even instances where they went into

cities

yeah but the overall military strategy

has proved to be effective because again

they've controlled far more land uh than

ukraine has been able to protect i mean

they've lost virtually every single

battle there's been a few small battles

in which ukraine has won but the overall

large battles such as in mariupol such

they've lost all these major battles

thus far they've lost sever don yets

almost entirely according to ukrainian

officials they've lost 80 percent of it

they've already started taking town

small villages outside lizzy chonsk

so russia has said that they have lost

what is this almost 24 000 people what

show me the evidence what is your data

for that okay hold on let me check i'm

trying to look at the casualties of the

russians just to be clear

these are usually the oftentimes

oftentimes it's reported that russia's

intelligence often times it's reported

that russia's retreating because of this

huge counter-attack russian soldiers

have even um pulled back and tanks

they've even pulled back even at the

slightest width of the like most minimal

resistance

hold on that doesn't even kill anyone

second strongest and the reason the

reason they do that isn't because

they're scared of these people and

they're going to lose to them because

they're trying to minimize casualties so

they'll pull back and usually encircle

the place for a more long-term strategy

i mean they could have stormed this off

stall and they didn't so how come they

didn't circle kiev

because there wasn't their strategy to

take kiev at their time at that time i i

i thought encirclement was like anyway

so the the real reason for anyone

interested is attrition so if you pull

in like like guns blazing no combined

arms just send in the heavy heavy

columns uh ukrainians will blow the blow

and blow the fuck up with like mobile oh

it's because they want to minimize gas

and

even when ukrainians have not just like

just like

ruined anyway so um

anyway so this is called attrition so

basically you you don't def you don't

defeat an army head on you essentially

yes it's like death by the thousands yes

it is a war of attrition yes which is

what happened in kiev and hurricane

russians had to tell us

this was unsustainable megacorp it is

without a doubt a war of attrition uh

kiev was an example of a faint strategy

but yes this is a war of attrition and

it's proving quite successful for the

russians i mean the russians they could

have taken

they could have taken many places many

villages and they decided not to because

they want to minimize casualties on both

sides

i i don't understand how you or i

understand it i i just can't wait i'm

curious wait i'm just curious what would

success look like to you in a month

because like if i would if i asked you

guys a few months ago you would have

said that obviously they're going to be

controlling kiev

i don't have the russian military russia

has not been transparent about i've

tried i've made the mistake of trying to

like infer and speculate about what

their like plan is

it's not disclosed to the public it's

only disclosed to the actual people in

charge of the operation

and i'm not going to try and speculate

on what you know

how what their timetable is or any of

that kind of stuff because i will say i

will make sure

just just really quick

i wouldn't be surprised if russia

doesn't end the operation until they get

uh nikolai of zaparojia and odessa

uh okay so jackson i gotta wrap this up

yeah one sentence jackson don't feel too

bad if you don't have if you don't try

to get through the sentence without

stuttering go for it oh sure i hope that

jackson charisma no just don't feel too

bad if you don't have the russian

military

how many languages do you speak jackson

what the fuck it's this guy's esl

debating you and you're making fun of it

for stuttering that are you actually

retarded

anytime somebody makes fun of a foreign

language you should speak in your

fucking native language you know the

other guys just call me retarded that

that that ironically yes like how can

you make an esl guy who's studying

english

to be fair

i think it's only fair that he

knows yeah it's only fair that he knows

english because he's trying to use our

country to fight his battles

i'm just saying that like you of all the

things you can make fun of somebody for

you can't make fun of a multilingual

person for being like not quite as quick

with your own language

okay our sons and daughters okay

he should use our language to respond

without being interrupted

oh uh that's fine i think we can go on

that is it i promise i guess we're going

to get them out of here at a decent time

so

we can ask one more question then they

can respond okay i'm giving the last

question for a short and pithy question

very short do you think in three months

will russia control more or less

territory than it does right now in

ukraine

without a doubt more okay

without a doubt in fact i think they'll

control more by the uh end of this week

yeah finally one last thing i just

wanted to end it on this

um we couldn't get adam in on this one

so original plan is on that was the

tweet modern day debate put out in

public

that's it

the what wait wait wait which tweet

uh march 2nd 2022 saying that okay

james james did they cancel or did i

cancel the previous one hold on i've got

it right here

since you guys you tweeted it on twitter

so who this is what i said because

someone happened to like it during the

debates i said to clarify tomorrow's

event with omni liberal's friend infra

haze and jackson winkle uh jackson

hinkle is still on i asked dylan burns

if adam something could uh take his

dylan's place and dylan was open to it

because he's burning the wick at both

ends we couldn't get adam in on this one

in other words it wasn't that he had

already committed and then backed out he

just said it wasn't going to fit with a

schedule so original plan is on so it

wasn't us

well i don't think anybody backed out

didn't we have an original debate set up

with the four of us and then those don't

think it's incredible though that no

there's not certainly no

youtube audience and claiming that we

backed out when it was in fact a

scheduling error on his own partnership

hold on james james james can you tell

me james was there james was there an

original debate between all four of us

i remember it was something that i think

i said

i came

second of march second jackson and haas

you guys and i said

could it be destiny and adam and then i

think this is when infrared had a hate

boner for dylan infrared said no dylan

has to be in it he or no he said dylan

can't be a co-host i reject that debate

oh

okay all i said i said i said yes to the

debate with adam something no to the

bill and as a why would dylan co-host

he's not exactly okay that's fine but

you guys so you had a reason but you did

back out of the first place

adam was ready to debate and then he

said he couldn't because of a scheduling

conflict yeah well no that sounds like a

second debate that was never agreed on

that no way how is that a second debate

if we just said we didn't want uh dylan

burns to be the co-host yeah why would

he was

the host was supposed to be neutral why

would we want someone i really don't

think anybody backed out i want to say

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yep

thanks guys that was a wild one i hope

you have a great rest of your

whoo

uh i'm only on like four hours of sleep

guys

but i'm gonna continue to the ground

i had a lot of fun that was really fun i

liked that one

that one was way better than the one

before i we just got to argue the meat

and potatoes which is what i wanted to

do originally just stick to the meat and

potatoes it was a lot of fun and uh yeah

i liked it i had a lot of fun

i had a good time very good time with

that debate

um

yeah i think you know props to destiny

for

sticking to the meat and potatoes though

you know

that's that's a lot of maturity that he

could do at this time

i had the

street muted let me see

thank you dark appreciate you man was

trump overthrown after ashley bobbitt

got shot

yeah it's like that you know

based thank you your appreciation

thank you so much appreciate you man

thank you dark drogon the ukrainian

military didn't exist because they

defected to the donbas or resigned they

were replaced by multiple neo-nazi

battalions like azov

yeah

thank you gabrielle appreciate you man

thank you so much

should we watch the caleb debate against

jason or you guys we should probably

just watch that

on our own time to give him the views

i'm not going to react to it um

i missed oh i mean i watched some of it

believe it or not

i did not watch all of it i watched some

of it

and it was it was really bad for jason

from what i saw it's just

really really bad

yeah i would call jackson but uh

you know

he's got to be somewhere he wanted to do

this earlier and i told him there's no

way i could do it earlier i won't get

any sleep

and i still didn't get a lot of sleep

anyway thank you orville appreciate you

on his debate against jason

thank you so much orville appreciate you

so much

um yeah i i had a great time i think

that debate went really well thank you

american for me again

thank you so much man i appreciate you

appreciate you

um

you know originally it was supposed to

be wash and adam something

and i think

bosh would have done substantially worse

uh

than destiny did i think voss would have

done substantially worse it was probably

smart for voss to sit that one out you

know i think he would have done

substantially substantially worse

but that was a great debate you know

i'm glad i'm also glad we did this

debate because i know a lot of people

kind of thought that like oh you know

i could have not had any argument or

anything

um i just was yelling that people kind

of thought i was a lunatic because the

last time or whatever so i'm glad i was

able to like clear the record that i do

want to meet potatoes debate

serious and mature debate with no

bullshit you know

so yeah i'm really glad this happened

you know shout out to modern day debate

i had some problems with them before

but they were really fair as a moderator

this time everyone was well behaved

ej

thank you for the 10 gifted and bodega

thank you for the 20 gift i appreciate

you guys

i appreciate you so much

so so much

but yeah i also the reason i let jackson

do most of the debating is because

this has been on his mind the most right

he's been streaming this stuff the

reason last time i was like

talking a lot more i guess was because

that was also my mainstay content now

you know it's not really anymore so i'm

just kind of there to provide backup and

supplementary stuff

to jackson right this was mainly i think

adam something versus jackson and then b

versus destiny it's kind of like that

and uh yeah i liked it i like the debate

one of the most fun ones i've done

uh

i think it's one of the best ones right

it wasn't one of the most entertaining

but it was one of the best ones i think

this was one of my best performers

probably

but uh not not the best and not the most

entertaining but it was still pretty

good you know

um

you gotta bear with me i got like four

hours of sleep

and uh

oh

man

i was kind of expecting way more viewers

for this one

and i think the reason i was expecting

more viewers was because last time with

that acetar we got like to 900

but to be fair

this debate had already happened before

thank you joshua appreciate you man

this debate had already happened before

plus there wasn't a lot of fireworks in

this one it was pretty calm pretty

professional

and it wasn't like a roast it wasn't

like you know

top tier entertainment

so yeah

but overall pretty good and pretty

satisfying you know

okay i am going to react to the caleb on

rouhey debate

if if uh jason slandered me then i will

react to it and maybe i'll specifically

react to the part where jason slanders

me i think that's

probably fair the cremator stika you

would make a great debate

yeah also there was a part in the debate

where i was like i can't name anyone

but

i do have a list of names now like

people like yon toxier

um and these other people i don't think

they're journalists but like um dimitri

i can't really pronounce it but i have a

list now

and then there's also communist

activists who disappeared and there's

communist activists who like you know

were killed or were beaten and

intimidated

these were not really reported in the

western press but they were reported in

the circles that i follow

um

so yeah i just didn't really compile

those names ahead of the debate maybe i

should have but i don't know what

difference it would have made honestly

he said you tried to frame him for being

a pedo

what

you were responsible for the pedo

accusation accusations against him

okay that is an outright lie like

what the fuck

he said i what

all right i have to i have to see this i

have to see what the fuck is going on

here

uh

caleb maupin

uh

and jason on rookie

what the fuck do you guys know what the

time stamps

destiny's chat is traumatized thank you

sir appreciate you man thank you so much

thank you so much voidburn

adam nothing and pestinee wouldn't stop

trying that comparison of the warsaw

pact to step in bandara literally

perpetrating genocide and contributing

to the holocaust absolutely nuts

thank you so much uh sir appreciate you

all right voidburn oh fuck

sorry i got two hours of sleep thanks

boyd man appreciate you man

thank you so much meg thank you man you

did great facts versus feelings between

you and destiny you were focused while

he'd laugh like a weasel so unnerving

thank you so much meg appreciate you

uh yeah i think we're just gonna pull up

what we're gonna pull up

and

give me like a time stamp give me a time

stamp

that i can uh react to

because that's i did not know he

mentioned me you guys know what the

timestamp was okay

53.30 okay

i think that's just about where i left

off to not know i don't think so so

let's see we're gonna start like at 52

here page quit folks we lost jason

that was fun we had him for almost an

hour there you go folks oh he came back

oh

credit oh are you back you want to come

back on jason

all right so he raged quit and left i

want to see the part where your rage

quits

guys you if you want to watch the full

thing watch it on caleb's channel matter

of fact yeah watch this on caleb's

channel if you want to watch the whole

thing i'm not going to react to the

whole thing here it's going to react to

like this because i genuinely want to

see it i genuinely want to see this

uh let's see your reactionary movement

okay so you can support a completely

reactionary movement one that was

looking to to essentially have can pull

out a pull off a fascist coup if they

could i think the issue was vaccine

mandates no they were also asking for

the prime minister to step down and be

replaced with one of their own

hand-pickings i saw a communist

literature table at occupy wall street

so it was clearly trying to establish

dictatorship of the proletariat you know

it really blows my mind fox news has

been doing this kind of crap that is

just so seen he just so seamlessly

dismantles jason that is like wow

trapped to left-wing movements for years

and suddenly they turn around and do it

to right-wing movements and you're fine

with that one nazi flag one guy on

social media said something that you say

is the great replacement so therefore

all these truckers are nazis all of them

are fascist no no it's not about the

vaccine mandate it's actually a fascist

plot to seize the government ah now we

have to back justin trudeau and if we

don't you're a nazi this is give me one

moment i'm gonna clean my nose give me a

sec

today is now or never now or never

oh

sorry guys

now let's continue

how nuts mainstream leftism has become

well you just lied by saying i was

trying to defend justin trudeau which is

not true also it's not one just one guy

as i have said repeatedly a point that

you keep you keep

refusing to acknowledge it was the

leader is jackson still streaming

because if he is i'm gonna call him

i'm gonna call him

i want to actually talk to him what is

he doing

from

ukrainian

police is insane

we have several oh he i think he's just

uh he's reading super chats okay

leader of the movement and he can't

claim the leader of a movement's opinion

isn't significant

and second of all there were a multitude

of issues there

they are fascists they did it

he does have to be somewhere he did tell

me he's got to go

he's got to be somewhere so i think he's

going to read the super chats and wrap

up on their website they were asking

trudeau to step down and be replaced by

their own hand-picked person who was the

far rightist you cannot claim that was

not a reactionary movement or oh it's

just one guy literally one of the things

that surprised me about this debate

while i was watching it

was

how cordial not cordial sorry respectful

both were except jason

who started immediately like swearing

and you know calling him a piece of shit

and whatever but

this is just the most ridiculous thing

i've ever seen this is so real he

literally looks like a dark palpatine he

looks like a darth sith lord like

giving his disapproval about

the new ways he like he seems like he's

an elder trying to say that caleb's the

new yo the new um

guard who's deviating from the

fundamental principles he's like a

patriarch which is weird because like

caleb's actually done shit

and caleb's just sat in his basement his

whole life larping while caleb's done

like he went to yemen and

so it's just funny like he's trying to

be like the fucking patriarch of

yankees you know

demands of the group were to hammer he

literally looks like a mullah he looks

like a chef he looks like the ayatollah

of tanki's who's like

trying to and like caleb's like some

kind of like modernizer and he's like

saying no we have to

have a far right is put into power

undemocratically and it didn't

you might be able to change that by

seeing a bunch of working people are in

motion we have these backward ideas and

showing them that you oppose the status

quo too but the answer is but the

insanity is that from everything i

watched

jason is the one who represents all of

leftists

like all of leftists on twitter agree

with jason

and for some reason caleb is considered

like a crazy nozzle by them but anyone

who watches this would be like no

caleb's extremely reasonable and normal

and this guy's like crazy right so it's

crazy how twitter misrepresents reality

you know actually socialism not their

reactionary bullshit

to answer your question before you

always you cut me off again you really

like to do that mute me when i'm trying

to answer you yep fucking coward

[Laughter]

what the fuck is this bro he's so tilted

how can you be so angry when caleb's

just like

he's being so respectful

and um professional and like he's so

angry

dude these people are so bitter they're

like they're so ass hurt there's

something wrong with them where they're

like they've got so much venom and sieve

in them i don't know where that fucking

comes from like they're so venomous and

they like they see then they get so

fucking angry it's like why

he didn't insult you like why is he

getting so mad

this is how people respond to me too

like

it honestly seems like me and caleb on

twitter

are the super angry guys

we're not we're like the clone ones and

everyone else is fucking saving you know

you're the one muting the rage come from

seriously jason you deliberately

misrepresenting what i'm saying you

november 26 2021 you claim that i that

that people who want to kill

i just wanted to see their age quit oh

my god bro he gets so tilted

for some no i think

no you know what there was a part i did

yo there was a part i remember

when caleb brought me up he's like yeah

i'm also friends with haas and then like

jason started laughing

like oh how's the joke and it's like

bruh look at you have self-awareness

he rage quit well he rage quit folks we

lost jason

that was fun we had him for almost an

hour there you go folks there you go

that was fun

that was fun well listen folks uh glad

to have you here and since he's not here

to defend his statements um he chose not

to uh we will we will go ahead he's so

yeah jason's so punk rock he's like oh

fuck you mom and dad i'm leaving

you don't understand me

ahead and read off uh some of the things

that jason has said about me on november

26 2021 jason claimed that i have people

i'm willing to work with people

it'd be like okay if this was like a 19

year old i'd get it but isn't he like a

40 year old man

and he's doing that

it's fucking ridiculous man

kill homosexuals he never presented any

evidence that i advocate killing

homosexuals furthermore uh he claimed on

november 27th the following day november

november 27 2021 that me and haas were

were basically he said we were trying to

quote frame me for cp that we are trying

to frame him for child pornography he

never presented a shred of evidence to

back that up either uh this guy has a

record where does he mention me record

of deception and i will give him credit

i will give him credit well let me just

like

really quickly tweet out

um

to be clear

jason

on rouhey

what is this twitter handle

what is jason's twitter handle it's like

is it still maoist rebel news station

house revenues okay to be clear

maoist

rebel

news

is 100

lying about the supposed allegations

that i spread allegations about him

or that my community did this is 100

false

he claimed this apparently

well

while um

losing embarrassingly

to caleb

and decided to accuse me of something

completely groundless i challenge him to

prove it

on stream

okay jack you want to come back on jason

oh you want to come back on you still

you still want to defend my internet cut

out okay i thought it was a rage quit

okay

no his internet didn't fucking cut out

shut the fuck up dude you just

you just so happened to coincidentally

give him the bird

get angry and then your internet just

cut out did you get too angry for your

fucking wi-fi signal to handle like did

you interfere with the fucking internet

waves or some shit because you were so

mad dude shut the f that's the biggest

cap i've ever and look if i'm lying

then i give him props but that is like

an act of god that is such a coincidence

that his internet would go out when he

gets so fucking butthurt

by the way by the way i actually did

present evidence that has was trying to

set me up for that but i i put it right

on my twitter i put it right on my

twitter and

what

what fuck what it really put on twitter

he put it right i'm checking his twitter

now

what did you put on your twitter

what the fuck

that's not fucking evidence look at his

evidence look at his evidence this is

this meme

okay i'm i'm quote tweeting this

this is the most made up thing ever

lmfao

this is not evidence

none

this was a lit

we literally

found on you for

for thinking

um i remember this

jason you realize we never had a discord

with a oz chat channel and those names

were made up to mock us

by someone else right you realize

you

were tricked

by someone

our haters

dude let me show you the evidence did i

show it to you it was literally a meme

in our community for so long this is his

evidence

he he's he claims

that we had a channel called has chat

and that there's a guy named stalinist

still okay after after he made these

allegations

people started to like adopt these names

because it was like funny like why would

there

why would there be a guy in our discord

called racist paul pot so people saw

they're like okay i'm changing my name

to racist paul pot because it's like

funny and then this was people trying to

basically impersonate us

thank you this is off topic but i just

came from the atom slash destiny debate

and all i can say is wow they'll get

their just deserts

yeah thank you jay grimes but

did you guys see this shit

like catholic mountain these are clearly

made up by people who like are trying to

mock us and be like oh they're gripers

they're pretty much racist uh tankies so

and like it's called haas chat when is

there can you provide any evidence that

there has ever been a community haas

chat can you provide any evidence that

any of these people were ever in our

fucking community

dude are discord's gone now but at the

time we proved this was not from our

server this is like self-evidently false

guys he needs to be like this is a liar

dude i can't fucking believe this shit

i literally cannot believe this shit

why the fuck

did you lie about my community

by posting a screenshot of a literal op

that has nothing to do with my server

we literally debunked this shit

when it came out

you know it's a lie but you keep

spreading it

utter dishonesty

holy fuck

dude what the fuck

literally what the fuck

what

no way this is real

hold on

there's a few things

from like the dsa specifically that i

was sent

all right

so check this out

so okay i all right

there's some just some dsa shit someone

sent me we're going to cover it after

let's continue

and what do you know exactly what means

the screen i'm not gonna i'm not no i'm

not going along with the meme because

like if i renamed our general chat to

haas chat as a meme he'd be like dizzy

that's evidence it's chat bro what is

ha's chat you know what you fucking liar

jason on rouhey you were literally in my

server

where has there ever been a haas chat

dude you're such a fucking liar

and why would why would a guy be called

racist paul pop

someone adopted that after you posted it

as a meme because it's so fucking stupid

shot of the people oh we're not getting

a haas checked okay

i just even know what uh

what would a haas chat even entail what

would be in a haas chat

what would that what would you even talk

about my fucking

would you talk

too bad it's not a democracy what would

that even entail

what would you talk about my fucking uh

receding hairline like what would you

talk about in a haas chat

would you talk about my insomnia

discord server i'm not talking about it

i'm not in his discord i i'm not talking

about you i'm talking about jason i'm

talking about what's

your tweet talked about me

bro

i got it i don't know what i missed i

don't know what i missed

i don't know what i just missed

okay this is the gift

i'm sorry

we're making a gift us chat is the

infrared reading group for paul potts

national identity and social cohesion

thank you

we're making a gift i'm doing it

we're doing

my twitter and what do you know exactly

what means a screenshot of the people in

his discord server i'm not talking about

it

i'm not in his discord i i'm not talking

about you i'm talking about jason i'm

talking about

[Music]

what is that

what the fuck is that

[Laughter]

yo i'm keeping this i'm keeping this bro

look at this

yo what is this shit

bro i'm keeping this watch watch i'm

keeping this shit i'm keeping okay ready

rod the new profile picture i swear i'll

make yeah i'm gonna

i'm making this my profile picture i

might make this my discord profile

picture okay

i'm keeping this shit forever

i'm keeping this i'm keep i'm saving

that i'm saving that save

yeah i'm saving that that's a keeper

that's a keeper

this is a keeper okay

that's a keeper

he talked about me you accused me of

trying to frame you for child

pornography when i didn't know that's an

emote to be clear that's a youtube emote

that is going to be our remote i'm

literally making that in the mold

such thing i might make a new tier that

costs like 20 dollars just to have this

emotion i'm just kidding

but this this what's worth a lot

this is worth a lot just one tier for

one emote and make it worth like 500 a

month to have it

yes you talked about me we have the date

we have the screenshot you talked about

me you talked about me here we'll even

put it on the screen uh you made a crazy

allegation against me without any

evidence yes you talked about me

jesus christ you just cut me off every

time your back is against the wall

as i said as i was trying to say

please calm down where's all this anger

coming from yes can i answer now is that

okay

i tried to show you the evidence but you

wouldn't let me talk

okay keep talking while i pull up the

screenshot as i said with the screenshot

that was sent to me by some from in his

discord where they were talking about

the plan not not child pornography

the plan

shut the fuck up jason you were

literally confronted with the fact that

it was a fabrication at the time

and you did not respond you were

literally confronted with the fact

that it was a fabrication as a matter of

fact i'm gonna dm caleb

just to tell him

hey i'm watching

what jason accused us of just to be

clear that is 100 a fabrication

the screenshot in question was created

impersonate us

literally as a parody

none of the channels were inaudible

or any of those users like racist paul

pot

so

and we

he accused us of that in november

and it was to make it look like i was

trying to do apparently this screenshot

was created

by that uh dark pedo site you know what

i'm what i'm talking about they made it

they like bullshit

they lie so much

about us they make up so so much shit

about in general they're actually known

across the internet to be like people

who just like make shit up and they're

totally not reliable because

they just always do these ops and shit

but jason's the only stupid guy who

falls for it

jackson thank you so much man appreciate

you

thank you so much

now if you don't know what's which one

i'm talking about it's uh

let's just say it's like they they got

us banned for 30 days before

they reported they reported us all the

time all that kind of shit yeah they

like do all these like fake ops

where they just like literally chat in

our lifetime race thank you yeah they

literally like what they're they were

literally basically bullying jason you

know

and he's just stupid enough to fucking

believe it

but yeah

thank you jackson for the raid

appreciate you man

and what a great debate what a great

debate

what a great debate i know jackson a lot

of people from jackson's community they

didn't like my performance

last time

so you know i made it up to you guys

he's calling me right now

yo what up man

same that was so unst i i kind of it's

weird because i feel like they didn't

really try

right probably

the two of us like that was

yeah

everything that we uh

kind of predicted would would fold out

with regard to like you're

you're

good of like uh the you know history and

stuff and like and with the facts like

that was great that was that was amazing

yeah i thought it yeah it literally

worked it worked out way better than i

thought it would i thought it was there

was going to be some i thought adam was

going to be way more of an opponent than

he was honestly

i really thought adam was going to be a

way tougher opponent

yeah no that was great though good job

we got to run it back we got to do more

dates

yeah yeah and now your community can

forgive me because i know they were a

little upset

last time right

i think my community uh thinks you

carried that faith no the one last time

yeah they well they no what i'm saying

now is that

they definitely thought that you killed

faith

yeah yeah

i wanted to make it up to everybody who

was uh also the neutral viewers were

like this guy's a maniac

he's ruining it for everyone so it's

like you know

that was like

like slicing and dicing i was great

uh how late are you gonna be to that

okay that's good that's good perfect

yeah um

yeah man that was a great stream

that was a really good show right back

again

yeah we will we'll we'll do more and

next time we gotta get vosh what's his

excuse you know

that would be ideal yeah

because

you know i think what do you think do

you think voss would have done better or

worse than destiny

worse that's what i thought too i think

voss isn't i think destiny's better at

the base than wash

so it's like boss would have even been

worse

yeah i mean that was pretty pathetic

but

i think you'd be worse

yeah

all right man did you see by the way one

last thing did you see the caleb vs

jason debate

you gotta watch that when you get a

chance

you're good yeah i'm reacting to some of

it now

all right all right i will all right see

you later man

yeah that was a great time

all right

sexual you know what else i think it was

this time

i think i was more humble because on

twitch i was a 1k andy so i was like

fuck i'm just gonna like bulldoze my way

through this fuck all fuck destiny fuck

dylan burns i'm like you know

but now that i'm on youtube and i'm like

kind of uh

having to get back on my grind and

having to like you know improve

uh

growth and like you know get back to

where i was i'm kind of more humble

where i'm like no i have to actually

prepare a little bit and i have to

actually like be methodical and bring

back some of that lawyer energy and

stuff

so yeah that's another thing

talking

with an underage person which by the way

those fake conversations

a few days later a week later actually

were put out by haas's people

okay and if i am to believe yeah i just

i just um

i just got to youtube

i was on twitch before i was a twitch

guy

believe that this

no evidence you're literally showing the

evidence

never mind it gets worse haas

maupin i am mopping that is me are going

to try and frame me for

cpu those people are so sickening you

know those are such this i honestly

think though that they're um

those are uh

i think those are like fbi

whatever

beds basically i think

they do go on image boards and like just

do random creepy like weird glowy shit

when you cut down on f-bombs you allow

destiny to show how triggered and

irrational he really is

yeah i did see some point in the debate

where like he just like downs a red bull

and i'm like fuck is he gonna like

unleash a super

super saiyan mode or some shit

but yeah this is so creepy like we're

gonna accuse you of that's disgusting

why would you even why would you even

entertain that

you know

like he's the only i feel bad for him

it's like he's got a mental

he's like challenged like

why would you fall for this random dm

pornography

and you have moved the goal post about

six times

uh i haven't you're lying you you first

you know this is what you said publicly

on twitter

never mind it gets worse

mopping are going to try and frame me

for child pornography now first you said

well this was haas who was doing it and

now you've said it somebody in haaz's

server who did such a thing this has

absolutely nothing to do with me you

publicly accused me of a really

nasty evil thing that i would not do to

somebody who i don't like

and i had nothing to do with what went

on as a server you're not even alleging

that haas did this even now you're

alleging that somebody in haaz's server

did something and you threw my name into

into that i mean are you ready to

apologize for that

are you ready to show the actual

evidence that i put on twitter and not

just this your screenshot has nothing to

do

dude

your fucking smoking gun evidence

is a fucking op it was some people

from an image board made a discord

server together called the channel has

chat we don't have we don't even have

they didn't even fucking it wasn't even

a good op there's no haas chat

and there was nobody in our server named

stalinist griper or tradcath maoist

whatever the fuck it was it was

literally people trying to make a parody

of us

and you're just stupid enough to have

fallen for it holy fuck

do with me according to you there's more

screenshots than how you're not showing

the one that i put on twitter oh this is

one of them but this is not the one i

was talking about

you have evidence that i myself

no it's people who are worse than

fortune it's they don't come from 4chan

they come from the uh

the one that was so fucking bad the f

like the federal government shut it down

they come from 8chan and it's a leftist

version

but they're really sick fucking people

and they unironically shared cp in our

fucking reddit

like unironically

and they thought it was funny and they

were like bragging about it at the time

i answer you

that same this on i fucking saw that

you just tried to mute me again

slip of the hand go ahead

no it's not

it's not a popular one it's not one

that's well known thank you jason looks

like the final boss of antifa once

you've defeated them all he emerges with

his baseball bat slinging satanic spells

to be clear it's a leftist version of

like 4chan

it's not it's not like a popular site

you would know of it's like from 8chan

and it's a leftist political website

and actually a lot of the bullshit

uh

a lot of a lot of people on twitter who

are against us secretly go there i think

that's what i've been told

but like they're really sick disgusting

people like that whole block of

individuals it was literally a

screenshot of the conversation that was

going on in his discord if i am to

believe that you don't know what's going

on with him when you're so closely

linked i can say it's like an incel

weird website where a lot of those

people were super active in our

community when we first started out

and uh

as soon as i figured out like what

wavelength they were on i was like fuck

get the fuck out of here like we purged

all of them

we got all of them but jace i think

jason's community is pretty much

those people oh you thanks a net

evangelist for the 20 gift appreciates

man a liar

both of you were trying to discredit me

and these fake these fake conversations

were released and nobody bought it

okay it was because it was fake jason

that's not fucking evidence it was 100

percent fake

if you even were gonna bother to prove

that it was in our server by the way

nobody even believes in discord

screenshots you'd actually show

real time take an active fucking this

vice capture

and show this is in our server

like go through the logs you could have

done this at the time the server is gone

now

conveniently but we proved it at the

time there's nothing in our server then

they went and said that it's a secret

part of our server and we have a secret

haas chat

in our server and by the way what the

fuck is ahaz chat right what the fuck

even is that

laughed at and it was done specifically

through haaz's attack squad rstg or rtsg

what the fuck now he okay first of all

why would rtsg

create a chat be called has chat do you

even know what rtsg is dude rtsg you

mean the fucking people

who came to our community

because they used to come in our chat to

troll

and sultan used to literally roast the

fuck out of me

but he it was funny so we just like

it just we just like fused right

because they were actually pretty funny

and cool

people but like they're not like my

they're not like these dick riders who

are like oh we're gonna make a house

chat

we're gonna make a hot chat

a stupid fucking thing to say

what a dumbass thing to say

right that's so fucking stupid

dude i'm so sick of like leftists just

they just like lie they're the biggest

liars ever i used to think right wingers

were big liars

and i like

started to actually think about i was

like what the fuck leftists are actually

liars they just literally like

they literally just dwell in lies they

like they literally just

smell and dwell in their own lying shit

fumes

and it's like they just like do it they

don't even care

whatever it is because i screenshotted

all of the accounts

i screenshotted all of the accounts that

were spreading it all of them made one

month before the accusation came out all

of them associated with haas's group

okay so

bruh rtsg never

there's no bro do you think racist paul

pot is an rtsg member

rtsg is literally just

it's literally just a strategy game

it's literally just a strategy game of

people all around the world who come

together

to have this really complex strategy

game like why do you fucking why are you

trying to make it seem like

they're fabricating these serious

allegations against you

people it's fucking stupid dude you look

stupid and has's discord server did

something

and you not only blame haas for that but

you also blame me

they didn't that's the thing they didn't

he made it was totally an op

personally for this

all you have are some screen shorts

shots of some anonymous people i don't

even look at my personal discord servers

i hate the discord app it's annoying i

stay off of there and there's a bunch of

shady people on there on discord very

true

very very discord's like the shadiest

discord's weirder than 4chan literally

4chan is less

shady than fucking discord is you have

the shadiest people i've ever discovered

they're so weird i have no idea who they

are

uh and that's why i stay off of it and

there's a bunch of shady people i get

all kinds of weird inbox messages oh did

you see what jason said oh did you see

what boss just said i try to stay away

from this stuff but based on the fact

that you have screenshots of somebody in

someone's discord server again

telescoping jason

someone is it's literally not even my

discord it's that's the fucking

hilarious thing it's literally not even

like this scored server said this so

therefore has did this and has friends

with caleb so therefore caleb did this

do you have a shred of honesty in your i

mean you accused me of something very

very very serious here and there you go

i mean i i it's beyond me man because

somebody in haaz's discord did something

i'm responding

and that is ridiculous

to as i was trying to answer you when

you muted me again

because i'm am i supposed to believe

that you don't know anything about what

haze is doing like you don't coordinate

these attacks on people i am what the

fuck are you talking about

we don't coordinate on anything we only

coordinate about the fucking um

cpi conferences and also sometimes i'll

ask him like the other day i asked him

yo

can you give me more stuff about the

committees of correspondence and i dm'd

i could i would never leak the m's but

if you saw the dms between me and caleb

there's nothing there's no like

conspiracy going on there's no

coordination whatsoever

like you have to understand me and caleb

are friends not co-conspirators

we don't even like necessarily agree

about strategy

we're not like against each other's

strategies but like we're doing

different things why do you think we're

fucking conspiring

or some shit i mean if anything the

conspiracy the conspiring would be

between the show runners

right i would not we don't we don't have

it's like all out in the open you know

i have seen these tweets coming out i

don't coordinate with i do not believe

see now when i finally get a chance to

talk you talk over me

yeah all right jason this dude is just a

targeted individual let's just face it

he i do not believe i think i'm being

targeted

why i just think you know you know what

you know what the things that i think i

literally think bosh works for the cia i

literally think

so many things i don't i just don't say

them because i can't prove it

but jason just thinks that because he

feels a certain way he could just

actually like accuse someone and smear

them

as having engaged in some fucking crime

they didn't yeah because i don't see

there you go again can you shut up so

that i can answer all right you got a

minute go ahead

no i don't believe you for a second i

have no reason to believe you i have

every reason to believe that you are a

part of it no i don't have proof

but that's that's

that's not even really the point for me

i know that the both of you are

it's so funny right

like i the first time i met caleb in

person

we met at a uh a barbecue there's like

this barbecue place in austin

i met him in person for the first time

it's like

the idea that he would be spending his

time

conspiring

to fucking fabricate allegations against

the guy who looks like this

just the most ridiculous person and like

bro it's just so funny i'm it's it's so

fucking stupid

it is the dumbest shit i've ever heard

of it

like what the fuck

greasy bastards like if you knew this

shit caleb was like actually he cared

about

that's he's he literally works for rt

you don't think he's like doing things

that are more

professional and important than this

you do stuff like that he's not caleb is

not a fucking

he's not like a dragons and dungeons

larper dude he actually has a very

professional and important life

well the guy who says poppycock is

laughing at someone else's choice of

words really he's got a minute man

besides besides the point i don't

believe for second that you're not

involved in it you guys coordinate

things behind but in communications with

each other all the time the same way i

coordinate things

with other people in my group no he just

gave it away

what the fuck he just gave it away the

thing is jason we don't do that but you

just admitted that something you do

i didn't i tell you guys this shit

didn't i fucking tell you that jason was

like the ring leader of this like shady

group of like mentally ill tankies where

he's like this mob boss and he's like

jason sends a message and then jason's

just leaning in the dark like

we must

destroy him

like that's literally what jason does

i knew it i cannot fucking believe he

just admitted that i he literally just

admitted that he has like a

conspiratorial group where they like do

these plots i fucking knew there's a

dark jason who's like emperor palpatine

operating in the shadows doing this

fucking shit i swear i knew that

i could never prove it until he just

admitted it i was like yeah i'm pretty

sure jason like

works with all these fucking p like he

does this shit behind the scenes but the

funny thing is like nobody cares because

you get like 100 viewers total

why would you even nobody even gives a

fuck about your dumb ass cartel because

your audience is like 200 people total

so i don't think darth it's darth jason

he's like a fucking dark sith lord

working in the shadows it's like jason

no what you do with like fellow traveler

and like all those fucking people

and yankee tanki

that's dude i never thought of that

yankee tanki isn't the fed

he's just working for darth jason

holy fuck it all goes back to darth

jason

but no jason me and caleb don't do that

because we're not larpers we actually

have things serious we care about

especially caleb who like literally

works as a professional for our for rt

international

we don't bro i sit with my laptop

and i write and i read

i read books about fucking sufi

mysticism i don't fucking coordinate to

to bring you down dude

i don't need to fucking do that you're

just a ridiculous person

he's trying to like blame us for his

lack of success

you can say you did nothing of course

but i don't believe you i know you are a

lying two-face snake

like i know cause mason steiner told me

how you were cutting me up behind my

back when you were pretending to be my

friend

what

all right are you done unless of course

you're calling mason steiner a liar are

you done

he has a cadre of teen maoists with

ranks more youth

respond when you're done because i don't

want to be interrupting you yeah the the

answer is

no there's no definitive proof

that this but i have no reason to

believe you

okay well jason i'm going to speak now

jason i have a full-time job as a

reporter i am trying to set up the

center it's literally what i said

[Laughter]

sounds like me and caleb don't need to

conspire because a lot of the times we

literally just

think the same thing like what i just

said he was thinking the exact same

thing he's like dude

i don't fucking care as much as you

think

like i we don't need to conspire when

you could just use common sense okay

center for political innovation as a

socialist think tank that can educate

people about socialism uh i have a lot

on my plate right now and one thing i do

not have the time to do is get on disney

i swear i didn't watch this i this is

the first time i'm watching this part i

did not know he was gonna say that i

literally just the first thing that came

to my head

servers and come up with childish

conspiracies to frame you for for crimes

i do not have the time to do that and

while i like has and has spoken at cpi

events before there are some pretty big

differences between us politically uh

for example uh you know i mean i i don't

want to go into detail but i think you

know i mean he says the usa is already

socialist stuff like that there's points

that we just don't agree on right the

infrared community is separate from the

cpi community now there's some overlap

but but jason i really true really don't

have the time or the interest to sit on

discord and try to frame you up for

things that you haven't done um and the

fact that that you believe that because

i talk to haas sometimes is pretty

ridiculous and you didn't say i think

it's possible you accused me of

committing a very serious crime against

you on social media and you admit you

don't have evidence of this you just

know that i associate with haas so the

and that i'm a greasy liar or whatever

you just said actually my hair is pretty

dry i'm kind of the opposite you know i

have like dry scalp i use like

moisturizing shampoo it's kind of it's

not exactly greasy but i kind of am the

opposite of greasy but beside aside from

that you know maybe i eat too much

greasy food like onion rings uh pro tip

i was told by my uh

hair guy

that the problem is dove men shampoo

and then i started

you have to like use like organic

ingredients like because they what they

do in most shampoo you buy is like they

put like fucking wax in it which is bad

for your skin because i had the same

problem and he gave me this new shit

that i use and like i haven't had the

problem since

uh but aside from that you claimed that

i was committing a very serious crime

against you without evidence simply

based on the fact that i talked to haas

and someone in haaz's community

allegedly did this do you do you have

any any

ethical concerns about making such

statements in the public sphere

to once again answer what you said

because you just misrepresented what i

said i didn't say that you personally

sat down and planned this that's what

haas is for i said you were a part of it

i didn't say you were solely the person

responsible for it so once again you've

misrepresented what i said and i don't

believe that you guys just talk

sometimes you're in freak you have to be

in frequent communication i don't

believe you i am calling you a liar what

i have already explained my position

that's not what greasy bastard means you

should you should look it up

last time i dm'd caleb was last sunday

and i asked him about the committees of

correspondence and then before then let

me see

let me actually look at my d i'm not

gonna leak them obviously but like i'm

gonna look at my dms with caleb so

last sunday

and then before that

it was march 10th

literally the i dm'd him last sunday

about the committees of correspondence

and then before then

it was march 10th

was the last time i dm'd or he dm me

we are not in constant communication in

any capacity now truth are me and

jackson in constant communication yeah

almost every day are me and samira in

constant communication yeah every day

you know so that us three we are in

constant communication

thank you for your clip from mrnu fit in

fact checking thank you yeah us three

are like in constant communication

but

you know

that's it pretty much

and then my showrunners and stuff

and

yes i don't believe you i know that you

are a pathological liar

like accusing me of being

pro-imperialist that is why so because

caleb accused you of being

pro-imperialist it is then justified to

claim

that he was trying to frame you for cp

dude you are fucking

you have lost your fucking mind dude i

took that position and you were going to

respond well before you pivot away i'm

going to read you your tweet it doesn't

say i am suspicious that maybe caleb

might be involved in something it

doesn't say i'm suspicious no it says

haas slash moppin are

going to frame me for child pornography

jason i can unequivocally say here

before the entire world that i have

never had anything to do with trying to

frame you or any other person for child

pornography and that i think it's highly

irresponsible to make such extreme

allegations in a public sp fear public

sphere without at least checking on them

you could have tweeted out i'm

suspicious that this is going to happen

you could have tweeted out there are

rumors going around that this is

happening but you said r that this is a

whole undisputed fact and that's

irresponsible now i know you don't like

being called maoist rebel but my

understanding is that the n in mrn

stands for news and throughout this

debate one common theme that we are

seeing is you putting out false

statements like you know trying to say

that things like the shimara rebellion

didn't happen uh trying to uh trying to

say that i'm a fascist because i talk to

somebody who's not a fascist who

therefore i don't agree with even

somehow i'm a fascist

you continue to say things that are not

factually accurate because you have a

feeling because you don't like

christianity it makes it okay to deny

history because you don't like the

canadian truckers movement me and the

united states saying that that they're

right about vaccine mandates makes me a

fascist you you continue to say things

that are not true

uh these huge leaps that you make um and

if if news is journalism and news

mr associates in media and social

media and is really about

that really blows your credibility i

mean are you telling me on here that mrn

reports things that are not factual is

that what you're telling me

well so you just took the time to rehash

everything i said and misrepresented

again

i never said these historical things

never happened i claimed it in the

context that you were trying to claim

that it was somehow related to socialism

was wrong we already went over that so

you're lying about what i said again no

i never said all because because it was

a fascist movement and you were

supporting a fascist movement and i'm

saying specifically here

right now unequivocally you are a liar i

do not believe you i have no reason to

believe you because you have

pathologically lied to me

all right you know what jason was

involved in a plot to uh accuse me of

murdering

500 people with my bare hands

and he was trying to frame me for murder

everyone jason was trying to frame me

for murder because he lied about one

thing that means he lied about

everything right

that's exactly what you do right when

you muted me i was about to say you're

about to mute me as i was trying to

answer all right all you've done is

literally repeat back what i've said

misrepresenting it making positions i

never claimed

with accusate with the

points that i never made and then and

then say oh you see he's wrong

okay well let's pivot to i think the

final topic that i want to speak with

jason's trying to fucking frame me

for putting uh

weight gain supplements in his meals

and turning him obese jason's saying

that i'm have a plot to turn him obese

by putting weight gain supplements in

his food

with you about and then we can conclude

um

you made a video

um

i'll pull up the date because i want to

i want to be accurate here unlike some

people um

that uh you made a video

um

may 30th 2022.

and you said china never tried a

peaceful transition because it wouldn't

make sense

no

okay well

um i'm about to pull something up on the

screen here for you and i want you to

tell me that that this didn't happen

basically are you ready

um

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um

hold on hold on

gotta love some small obscure thing that

nobody even knows about because

history's forgotten because of how

irrelevant it was

well i'm guessing it was

i

if jason never heard of it it must be

irrelevant i don't think so but maybe

that's your opinion

so

after world war ii

the chinese communist party asked to

form a coalition government

and you know with chiang kai-shek did

this not happen so he made an offer that

he knows that he wouldn't take

how do you know

no

your point is completely invalid no this

yo it is because this is something that

would never be accepted by a marxist

what it was literally mao who wanted a

coalition government

wait a second no this this doesn't make

any sense

no my world view is breaking i can't

believe

my understanding of marxism feminism is

completely wrong it doesn't know it

can't be it cannot be

it's it's it's fabricated

mao would never know no this doesn't

make any sense no this is

no

no my whole world view will collapse

have an ak-47

prop

why do i have it

why did i make those fallout mods what

have i done anything my whole world was

meaningless

it can't be correct

exactly

violence and only violence you're wrong

you're fucking wiry said china never

tried a peaceful transition to socialism

and i have presented you

it's

so angry

from the daily worker a communist

newspaper reporting that they did but

that's not the only piece of that no

evidence i have that they did this

i am going to read you from the works of

mao zeitang august 16th 1945 quote the

communist party of china is firmly he's

he's

he's it's so painful he's like he's

getting wounded it's like he's like

experienced actually he's experiencing

actual pain from this

like it's actually hurting him he's like

it's fully opposed to civil war the

communist party of china has

persistently advocated the formation of

a coalition government the carrying out

of this proposal

it can't be

no can never can prevent civil war but

there is one precondition strength if

the people unite and increase their

strength china uh can prevent civil war

that's that is mao on the eve of civil

war with shanghai sheck trying to stop

it and trying to form a coalition

government is that a fabrication go

ahead

it's not a fabrication and again you cut

me off again when i was about to answer

you no i mean a coalition government is

nonsense because that wouldn't make it

socialism

then why was mao proposing it

that wouldn't be a peaceful transition

why would chiang kai-shek agree to a

sharing of power to avoid

but he was in the pocket he was actually

in the pocket

of

imperialists

which is why he didn't but if you anyone

who's interested in avoiding conflict

for the best of their country

as a patriot even if you're not a

socialist or you're not a he was kind of

a socialist just wasn't a communist

uh but even if you're not a socialist or

a communist it's in the interest of the

patriot that

you don't want bloodshed you want to

just do what's best for your country he

didn't want to do that he wanted to

serve the imperialists to do the

opposite of what it is that he's doing

but you're saying that if he if mao had

accepted they would have transferred to

a socialist society and he would have

gone along with it no sorry i know

government

which would have made a peaceful

transition to socialism possible

i'll explain to you why it's relevant

remember long-lived leninism remember

that document that we talked about i'm

going to read to you from this document

in which mao calls out crucified

revisionism this is what he said quote

it would be in the best interests of the

people if the proletariat could obtain

power and carry out the transition to

socialism by peaceful means it would be

wrong not to make use of such a

possibility when it occurs whenever an

opportunity for peaceful development of

the revolution presents itself communism

ugly seriously why

uh well you asked it's it's chicken in

the egg are they antife because they're

ugly

or did they become ugly

i think it's a i think it's a feedback

loop where they're reinforcing their

original ugliness

you know and it's just the feedback loop

i think jason he could have

done well for himself if you didn't have

such a poisonous ugly mentality you know

firmly like a negative feedback loop you

know seize it or a positive i don't know

positive feedback loop lennon did so as

to realize the aim of the socialist

revolution the question is not whether

the proletariat is willing to carry out

a peaceful transformation

it is rather whether the bourgeoisie

will accept such a peaceful

transformation this is the only way in

which the followers of lenin approach

the question so is mao a dirty rotten

revisionist because he says if we can

have a peaceful transition that's better

i mean is that a crime that's all i've

ever said is that it would be better to

have a peaceful transition i don't

advocate violence i advocate a peaceful

transition and if there is a violent

revolution that's because the

capitalists won't allow a peaceful

transition that is the

that jason it really grinds my gears

because my whole life people have been

told telling me that communists are

murderers communists are terrorists

communists advocate violence but

everywhere in the world there's been a

communist revolution it's only happened

the violent revolution has only happened

because we tried to organize peacefully

and our democratic rights were

suppressed ultra-leftism

punchism blankism terrorism have always

been rejected by revolutionaries emirio

thank you for the 20 gifted man

why are you trying to help the

department of homeland security and the

fbi shut down peaceful revolutionary

organizations that are trying to

organize peacefully

now clearly in that document is saying

if a peaceful revolution is possible

that's what we want to do there's

nothing revisionist about saying that

that's called scientific marxism jason

and when it's not possible the people

have a right to defend themselves and

the revolutions of history have been

acts of self-defense when people had no

other choice we are not bomb throwers

we're not punches we don't i think you

said revolution is when you take a gun

and start shooting no revolution thank

you very much

appreciate you general thank you

when people start organizing in their

communities for their rights to make a

better country and the grinding gears of

imperialism and capitalism get in their

way when they have no other choice

violent revolutions only happen because

the capitalists block a peaceful

transition and and this is a historical

fact that is obscured by the propaganda

against communism and i don't know why

that makes you so angry

go ahead okay you cut me off literally

when i was in the middle of answering

you that quote by mao was a statement

it was a politically pushed statement it

wasn't sincere it's like when the u.s

says oh wait i know please shut the fuck

up and let me answer and and keep making

your your cute little bosch faces

what is this cope

that it's just like when they say you

can't shut up can you i know you're

i know

i am trying to oh

you just called mao a liar you just said

that mao was lying he wanted there to be

bloodshed in the streets he wanted there

to be killing he didn't want a peaceful

transition he was just a psychopath he

wanted to kill that's what you just said

mao was lying it wasn't an in a sincere

statement no it was the chinese people

didn't want a civil war chiang kai-shek

and u.s imperialism forced a civil war

on them how dare you i can't even

fucking answer i can't answer you keep

muting me because i'm trying to answer

this and you gotta talking over me when

i'm trying to answer you i had an answer

tell me about how mao wanted violence

and killing no mao didn't want it but he

knew that's what it was going to come

down to

that was just

answer you

shut up

bruh

transition he was just a psychopath he

wanted to kill that's what you just said

mao was lying it wasn't an in a sincere

statement no it was the chinese people

didn't want a civil war shanghai sheck

and us imperialism forced a civil war on

them how dare you i can't even fucking

answer i can't answer you keep muting me

because i'm trying to answer this and

you gotta talking over me when i'm

trying to answer you i had an answer

tell me about how mao wanted violence

and killing

no mao didn't want it but he knew that's

what it was going to come down to that

wasn't it

answer you shut up

you're not letting me answer it's a it's

a political statement to trying to make

it look like he was trying to avoid war

when well he was lying

he's being dishonest mal was lying and

being dishonest

he knew very well that it was going to

be war

source citations

this is like anti-communist propaganda

like oh the communists are lying about

their true intentions

they just want to burn everything and

then like jason's like yes but that's

based and i want to be a satanist he's

literally just a satanist i swear he's

just a sadist

everybody knew it was going to be war

there wasn't going to be any peaceful

thing but he was trying to make it look

like that he was pushing that that is

done by leaders from all every end of

the spectrum yes let me answer please

the imperialists forced a war there

there's another statement by mao called

chiang kai-shek is forcing civil war

that's what he said

mao was just lying

what mao really wanted was to burn all

the churches and bring hell on earth

revenge against all the women who didn't

talk to me in high school

he's literally like a revengeful incel

who just projects his fucking

fantasies of revenge on fucking

revolutionaries

yes mal preferred a peaceful transition

and it wasn't possible because shanghai

sheck wouldn't allow it but your notion

that somehow somehow advocating a

peaceful transition is is re revisionist

goes against everything i just read you

from long-lived leninism and from mal

you fucking cut me off and i'm answering

you again

and i'm just gonna leave

and then cutting me off when i try to

answer

i was literally answering you when you

muted me go i had an answer

first of all

my personal opinion is that that's

bullshit and lenin was wrong

but

okay there you go okay

there you go

i mean there you go

it's that that's all we wanted from you

jason just admit your views don't

reflect

marxist leninist thinkers in history

including lenin himself

let's say

these are things that lenin tells people

to do that he knows aren't going to work

dude shut up this is such a code

you don't even just read what he said

about it he said

he said

ultimately it's probably not gonna work

that a peaceful transit would be

possible but this is how you you have to

try you have to try

it has to be proven in reality read what

he wrote about

this is the path we take and then when

it gets proven that there is no peaceful

transition right but this is what you

don't get dude it has to actually be

proven in reality you can't just jump

the gun and be like no no we we have to

do no it has to be proven in reality

meaning you don't advocate for violence

fuck

mission

then you go to violence

that's the point

and frankly i've really had it with you

cutting me off and preventing me from

answering you

and then talking over me when i'm trying

to answer you because that's the kind of

dishonest piece of shit you really are

if this was the last thing to be talked

about if this yeah i'm calling you a

liar you're you're fucking pathological

liar

so if that was the last subject that we

had to talk about i think i'm going to

go

all right well now jason

jason

j

his internet cut out

his internet cut out again is he gone

for good

and he's gone

yeah if you guys want to watch the rest

of that just watch it on caleb's channel

you want to watch the whole thing i just

showed you a fraction

of it

got the whole thing i showed you a small

fraction

but if you want to watch the whole thing

go on his channel

um

again

you know i

i'm kind of speechless

i'm a little speechless like that i'm

like huh

ah

interesting right

yeah that's that's a interesting debate

uh

i can't believe he made that shit up

about us about me you know i can't

fucking believe so dishonest anyway i

did want to show you this someone linked

it to me in my dms it's pretty fucking

unreal

remember why i called the dsa a hitler

right party in a fascist party

check this out

speaker at dsa panel war creates the

possibility for a push of socialist

ideas

a leader of the ukrainian pseudo-left

social woman put forward a chilling

perspective that war creates the

possibility for pushing souls with ideas

in ukraine the panelists and dsa

moderators stated their agreement with

the speaker and demanded the us

government deploy more tanks missiles

than howitzers

to wage war against russia regardless of

the risk of nuclear holocaust

that's the dsa

let me get you this let me get the

source on that it's from admittedly it's

from like this trotskyist

source uh

but still right they're reporting on it

they it was titled ukrainian russian and

polish socials speak out for peace

peace but they're calling for the

deployment of more weapons

uh they praised nato and the pentagon

exclusively opposing negotiated

settlement to the war in ukraine

and yeah what an interesting piece

um

ukrainian people have a right to fight

left-wing people can support ukrainian

people to fight to be ukrainians yeah

support the nazis

just like the anarchists have joined

with the azov battalion and there's

anarchists and neo-nazis fighting

hand-in-hand and alongside together

right now

i'm going to voice their opinion for

sending weapons to ukraine for limiting

the military possibilities for the

russian regime

these people are worse than neocons

neocons pretended to be like cynical and

pragmatic

these people are on a fucking

ideological crusade they're worse than

neocons

that's a hitler right party if i ever

fucking heard one or someone right

that's just an outright

hitler right party

pretty fucking unreal pretty fucking

unreal

um

bye to the people who hate that on me

goodbye to the people of king goodbye to

the people who trusted me

goodbye goodbye what is streamlabs

getting notifications for uh gifted

members

no idea

idea

um

i'm not i'm not leaving i'm not leaving

i'm not leaving

um we'll stream for like another hour or

something i'm literally not leaving

literally not leaving

um

i just didn't prepare news and i want to

cover some news today because we we

missed yesterday i wasn't able to stream

yesterday

um

there's yeah there's this going on

pizza hut

is under assault

wow she is like

i don't want to say anything sexist i

was going to comment about politicians

like this isn't sexist you know

politicians

they're on it like a politician a normie

a normie 5 is a politician 7.

a normie six is a politician nine

and like wow just jacinda arden powell

she is just

extraordinary

but anyway she's leaving the offices of

blackrock

uh

and yeah of course i wonder why she's

leaving the offices of blackrock

probably just you know to get you know

talk and chat

yada yada but

there's something going on with

uh

pizza hut

because apparently pizza this is funny

i'm just sorry pizza hut

check this out right

what is this shit bro come on

pizza hut betrayed the american people

it's our duty to boycott what

you know why this is fucking stupid

is that what bro when was pizza hut with

the american people dude when were they

with us

this is why i'm saying conservatives

have a false consciousness sometimes

bruh

if you want patriotic companies that

like are loyal to the people

nationalize them or have them you know

actually serve us in some kind of way

pizza hut isn't loyal to anyone

but themselves he pizza hut is not some

fucking american nationalized

company so uh pizza hut betrayed bruh

pizza hut tastes like shit anyway

no pizza is not gross

it's not gross by the way i'm gonna

congratulate myself

by grabbing my own uh

uh

victory meal one second

i was saving this from last night

and this is uh

none other

than how i'm gonna treat myself

for this that victory

right

and this is this is an uh this is a real

american deal do you understand have you

seen the news exact piece also big w

today i didn't i'm gonna check it out

but uh check this out

this is

this has not betrayed the american

people okay

oh man

oh lord

oh my

oh my god

what's the new gj beast

which one

where's it at link it to me thank you so

much for everything you do man folded

hands son gorilla

no problem thank you

holy fuck

tereshi

holy shit man

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here's your victory doughno 2.

thank you man

thank you so much

hmm

all right

guys listen i'm gonna take a victory

piss

i'm gonna take a victory piss

and uh

con there's some shit i was gonna show

you guys

guys ones if you want gta rp

one day

ones if you want some gta rp one day

or maybe that day would be today

maybe that day would be today

maybe that day is going to be today

oh wait can i hack shit on youtube

youtube

eos hacking

alden ring

based

thank you for watching mcdonald's meal

what would it be

uh i would be a fucking mcchicken bro

okay on we're gonna check this out but

i'll be right back i'm gonna take a uh

i'm gonna i'm gonna

take a victory piss

i'll be right back

hi i'm back hey guys we have two

questions

what do you think of me streaming at

this time what do you think of this time

what do you think of this time like the

6 p.m to kind of do you like this

earlier time for me to stream

by the way

oh no there's one last thing i want to

show y'all i want to show y'all one last

thing

uh so phase the so it's pride month

i'm not gonna i'm gonna try to be as not

divisive as i can

fuck hold on give

so i'm not trying to be defensive or

nothing but i just thought this was

worth uh remarking upon or or looking at

or showing you guys so check this out

check this out okay so

yo

this is so funny

oh my god yo okay so faze clan

did a

happy pride month sending love to the

lgbtq friends family community and virus

who he's living in uh saudi arabia

he said just to clarify i don't support

any kind of lgbtq or anything similar

even if faze does i'm a muslim

damn

now here's the thing

this is this is my opinion on this one

thousand percent so it's his opinion and

it's his life not everybody's gotta

support what you support this is what i

genuinely believe right cause i saw a

lot of people on twitter like hey you're

speaking on behalf of religion and you

shut the fuck up bitch

that's racist that's literally racist

because you're thinking you can speak on

behalf of religion in general you don't

come from a muslim background you can't

speak for islam and muslims just because

you reject religion in general because

the religion that you're rejecting is

the one you were raised with you don't

know about other cultures and other

religions

where you could put your lgbtq movement

ahead of entirely other peoples now to

be clear

muslims do have our own sexual

minorities and shit but that's an

internal business within islam

so

and it's also a different aesthetic than

this it's not a rainbow flag or anything

like that so it's like it's just totally

different you know and

you know you don't have to support

the lgbt movement you should probably

you should respect everybody for their

sexual orientation but i think this is a

legitimate stance i think this is

perfectly legitimate you know you don't

have to support shit especially if

you're religious

you can't use religion to it you know

uh

step on other people's shit

but you don't have to support why do you

have to support shit you know you don't

have to support anything

you can't like harm it but you can't

support you don't have to support it no

so that's my view on that and i thought

it was funny and he deleted the tweet

since by the way

but i just love when lefties are like

corporations are just doing this to

hijack they're not hijacking anything

they are the ones who are promoting it

more than anyone

they're not hijacking a damn thing okay

definitely not a it's a top-down thing

one thousand percent

and obviously the reason for that is

because

just like anywhere else there's a lot of

sexual minorities in the ruling class

and they wanna be more accepted

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a yelling match stone throwing and even

fist fights

the situation turned deadly at night

when the rival troops

you know what i love about china and

india

they both conduct their border i'm not

gonna watch that documentary but they i

just wanted to check it out they both

conduct their border disputes

with fucking like melee weapons and not

guns

i think that's super asian

because you know asian military battles

in history were not about pure force

there was a sense of honor and

self-limiting and restriction

like where they could have developed

weapons they didn't because they

consider them dishonorable i think it's

so cool

that they're they're they're

settling their differences

with sticks and pikes and not guns i

think that's super cool you know i think

that shows it's it's asian civilization

in practice you know

two very great very ancient

civilizations

obviously i agree with china in this

case right

i don't agree with india's claims

but just like china does i respect india

i respect india as an ancient

and very beautiful civilization

um

you know very great civilization

just i don't agree with the territorial

claims

i hope it can be settled peacefully

instead of heavy americans being

involved

good evening and welcome to tucker

carlson tonight this is a fox news alert

facing almost certain defeat for his

party in the midterm elections five

months from now joe biden has become

desperate he's decided to leverage the

murder of 19 children in texas last week

for political advantage he just spoke at

some length from the white house about

the need to disarm the population

we're going to spare you all of it we've

taken a few select sound bites that sum

up the president's message here they are

second amendment like all other rights

is not absolute this isn't about taking

i disagree i think it's an absolute

right

anyone's rights

it's about protecting children

it's about protecting families

uh

bikes

it's about protecting whole communities

it's about protecting our freedom to go

to school

to a grocery store to a church

i actually think american public

education has been designed in a really

fucked up way

uh kantbop knows more about it than me

but let's just say

he hikes what a yucky thing to say what

do you think

what are you seeing to say

every week there's a new headline about

the rise of china and the threat to the

future of our world why does china have

such a big interest in africa why is

china trying to expand so aggressively

in the indo-pacific region how did china

convince more south american countries

to work with them and is china actually

responsible for the breakdown of

american democracy that we see today the

united states fears china for one simple

reason china is the only country in the

world that contains the economic

military diplomatic and technological

power to challenge the united states

global hegemony western media teaches us

to fear china but let's do a little

research and discover the truth about

the united states and china's efforts

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start today's analysis from a clip from

colonel richard black a former united

states marine and government official

representing the state of virginia the

illusion

of russian and chinese aggression around

the world

you'll hear this repeated many many

times china is taking over the world

they're doing all this stuff we've

created this bizarre illusion because

the war industrial complex

must have enemies you cannot manufacture

weapons when you don't have enemies and

this is the unfortunate thing about the

united states economy it largely depends

on the military industrial complex no

shot is that actually the schiller

institute i didn't know that

that actually

and spending money on wars and

international conflicts around the world

and so we create this illusion that it

is that's the schiller institute wow

they're coming to get us there they're

on our doorsteps and the fact of the

matter is

that china is out to make a buck

they want money

uh they yes they they

the the belted road initiative is very

important

but they have a different paradigm if

you've ever done business but i feel

sometimes i feel like

the larouche people they're like the kmt

of america but not chiang kai-shek's kmt

but sun yacht sense you know i feel like

you know the communist party was like

part of the kmt

and still looked at the

sun yatsen as like the you know what i

mean

i don't know well our son yat-sen is

abraham lincoln obviously but the

schiller institute is like

they're like lincolnis right so it's

almost like they're kind of like

america's kmt you know

that's kind of how i see it

business with chinese people you'll know

that they're very savvy they're very

business smart and again chinese people

don't let political differences get in

the way our paradigm is

we we go into a country we they're like

they're like a kmt that's not bought out

by like foreign imperialists or whatever

but that was way later and that was

actually only a faction of the kmt not

the whole thing

the communist party still

looks at the kmt as like

a foundation

we set up

uh

ngos

uh we take over

you know the government by coup if we

can't then we just we just bomb the

place to smith the reeds half the time

given the united states track record

this is why china and many other

countries around the world are actually

very fearful and skeptical whenever the

united states gets involved in a project

are you genuinely wanting to help the

people in this country or are you more

interested in actually changing the

government and installing a government

that better suits united states interest

and you compare that with the with the

foreign policy of china which is you go

in you work with whatever government is

there you don't

you know you're not judgmental but you

make hard business decisions you make

investments

and

i think for people who are comparing the

foreign aid paradigm of of the us and

china they're saying

my likelihood of surviving is much

higher if i follow the chinese paradigm

to give you a better perspective of this

let's travel to south america and i'm

going to show you a clip from john

perkins mr perkins is a famous author of

the book confessions of an economic

hitman and in this book he exposes how

the united states government traveled

around the world and convinced smaller

developing nations to take substantial

loans that were in the best interest of

the united states government but what

china has done

differently in the united states tonight

i asked i asked my friends in high

places and in some of the latin american

countries why are you taking loans from

china don't you think that they're

they're going to do the same thing that

you you know that's coming up we'd much

rather take loans from china the united

states and said but wait aren't they

after your resources too and they say

yeah they're after our resources we

don't have the technology

to mine to other new mods and okay drill

for oil to do these things so we need

outside company

country to help us uh and

we know that the united states has a

record of overthrowing our governments

and assassinating leaders we all know

that and of building military bases on

our soil and forcing us to vote against

cuba and the united nations doing things

exercising huge controls over us

and china hasn't done that china's not

built any military bases here they've

not taken out any of our presidents

they've not been involved in any coups

and so we'd prefer to take loans from

them one of the stories that many of us

are familiar with is china's efforts in

developing the continent of africa i'm

sure many of you have seen these viral

thumbnails on youtube that portray the

continent of africa with a red chinese

flag and want you to believe that china

is trying to enslave the entire

continent of africa been very concerned

lately about china

they are now all over

africa

you know buying things and investing

over there and getting those countries

dependent on them and supporting

you know non-democratic

people and i'm just like boom

well we come we are in a country that

supports saudi arabia

yes that's true right so suddenly you

have a problem with uh

you know giannis is based on china he's

based on china

superpowers supporting non-democratic

people

the speaker in this clip is greek

politician janice verofakis who brings

up a great point this american lady is

concerned you guys know i read a lot of

giannis again

for the debate

uh just to refresh my memory about the

bretton woods

and the post 73 change his book the

global minotaur very solid just not not

just like his theory but like his

documentation very good stuff learned

that china is doing business with

non-democratic nations meanwhile this

speech has taken place in america who

has a very close relationship with

non-democratic saudi arabia in fact the

united states and saudi arabia have had

a very close diplomatic relationship

since 1945. did i bring giannis on the

show

i want to have a friendly disagreement

with about this

i can even i'm going to email him and

try to bring him on

five the united states basically

overlooks any human rights violations

and state-sponsored terrorism in

exchange for two things oil and saudi

arabia's support on all united states

foreign policy issues they're in africa

they're they're lending money to

countries to build ports and different

infrastructures

and what's wrong with that and well

because countries that need ports

get ports

but they're making people dependent on i

mean i know it's the same thing that

we've done which is no it's not all

around the world they are far more

humanistic than the united states ever

was

really absolutely great so let me give

you an example of course they're trying

they are peddling for in for for

influence yeah yeah

i don't know why i like giannis i i

really don't like

his stance about russia

but as a federal fellow

mediterranean male there's just like

this

there's this deep

blood and soil solidarity i have with

the greeks

if you don't get it you don't get it

right but it's like

just i don't know

ah but they are non-interventionist

absolutely non-interventionist in a way

like just the way he's standing right

now just like his hand gestures his

posture i'm like that's my people

that's like how i am too

you know if you know you know

that europeans the west has never

managed to fathom and janis makes

another great point china is doing

things very differently than both the

united states and european superpowers

in the past because i know at the end of

the day

my deal with the chinese is to benefit

africa

and the chinese always been fit yeah

blood and soil thing is because i had

five hours of sleep i'm mocking the

people who are accusing me of being a

racist okay i'm sorry it was a joke it

was a fucking joke okay

it was a fucking joke okay it was like

and blood and soil comes from fucking

bismarck okay it comes from bismarck

so that comes from bismarck that doesn't

come oh wait does it

no that does come from the nazis what

the fuck

yeah that comes from the nazis okay my

bad

um

yeah i'm gonna get in trouble for that

whatever

it was a joke i'm literally lebanese

we're not even part of the same country

what do you think i'm a fucking

greek nationalist

we just like olive oil it's a joke it's

it's blood in olive oil it's not blood

and soil it's blood and olive oil okay

it's cheese and olive oil okay cheese

and olive oil

yeah like this big propaganda that the

chinese are trying to use it to me i

don't see it

i've seen nothing but fair deals unless

you do a bad deal of course i mean

unless you do a bad deal of course but

even then

i haven't seen them take advantage

i honestly haven't and i've been dealing

with the chinese for the last seven

years

i haven't seen them try to take

advantage you know they come fair look

we'll do this for that it's always been

fair whereas

french

they take and never give anything back

ever still this day they've been in

places three four hundred years and that

place in in areas in africa has never

developed not one inch

again we see i did not know acon was so

based man

i did not even know that

taste

continuous theme here china comes in and

they offer you a deal a kind of young

jesus

trying to make it easy

only way to go

and so

if you're looking for me i'll be on the

block probably think pop trying to make

it on the block yeah

cause i'm alright

yeah

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i don't want to say bad words

or memorize that's what i used to do as

a kid okay

as they as a 11 year old that was my

shit

that was my music

we'll do this for that and this has

earned china a certain reputation among

african countries and among african

people

china's engagement in africa has always

resulted in some productive asset or

some productive

sector being left

whether it's in the form of

infrastructure or some kind of

concrete exchange angels and meat

potatoes

that's what it is tangibles and meat and

potatoes

in the form of investment

whatever

that leaves visible concrete

asset

on the ground especially in the

productive economic sector rather than

in the human development sector

basically if you do a deal with china

you're going to receive a tangible asset

it could be a new rail line a new

airport a new seaport but you're going

to be receiving something that will

directly benefit the local economy but

i'm i was just relaying the perception

in africa that if you want concrete

things you go to china if you want to

engage in endless discussions and

and and discourse you go to the normal

traditional

donors so i think the challenge really

is on the west to prove that partnership

can really yield some concrete outcomes

and results the challenge is actually on

the west to do more and to do better and

this is why we're seeing this continuous

theme around the world more countries

everybody from indo-pacific nations to

countries in south america africa all

over the world are choosing to do

business with china because they can see

the tangible results yeah giannis

is against army crane yeah

i don't think he's that bad

uh and i don't know what i was expecting

honestly

he's not as bad as g-jack

but

you know

it would be better

and we all know that china is the

world's factory and if you do business

with china you're not only are opening

yourselves up to the second largest

economy in the world but you're also

opening up to future world trade

i might have actually already emailed

him

and he just didn't respond because he

was like fuck this dude

let me see

see

i might have actually already emailed

no i didn't it good i didn't

i remember when you tried to talk about

akon's industrialization efforts in one

of the old streams and leptoids in the

chat completely missed the point and

were like acons bourgeois lol

thank you

woodward yeah that was so stupid

akon's fucking based acon's uh acon city

so cool

with many nations around the world

shut up dude

does anyone know how to like things

anyone does anyone like nice things

anymore

gotta be mine it's gotta he has to drape

it in the antifa flag and jason andrew

has to be chancellor

in closing let's go back to colonel

richard black and hear his proposal for

what the united states needs to do

moving forward

thanks for all the content man

no problem

we need to just get away from this

feeling it's not free everyone who's

here

had to pay like

it was like an entrance fee of like uh

25 just to watch the stream

you have to just to watch each stream

there's an entrance fee of 25

constant everyone's paid it

so if you haven't paid it you're

actually pirating this kid i'm just

kidding don't get me don't do that

definitely be at war with the entire

world five thousand six thousand miles

does anyone do uh

paid streams is that a thing

i would never do that that's something i

would never do

and the reason i would never do it is

because like you'd never grow and also i

just don't like to i don't like pay wall

and shit you know you have one thing we

pay while which is the patreon but other

than that i do not like paywalling

anything

devotion separating us

from

the dearest threats that we perceive we

probably have less reason to be talk

with landon dugan went here's the thing

nick land is missing he's missing so i

don't know what the fuck happened to him

he

he is missing

and no one knows what happened to him

okay he is like

gone

and nobody knows where he is he's gone

okay

thank you

talk with landor dugan when

whenever i i want to talk to dugan as

soon as possible i just don't know how

to reach him

but i would like to talk to mr dugan as

soon as possible face debate thank you

for blowing them out

thank you ej appreciate it i would like

to talk to dugan as soon as possible

militaristic than any great nation

when nick land is missing

on earth the ironic thing is that the

united stand should we start a campaign

where is nick land he's been gone for

like a month

state's government spends trillions of

dollars on its military and conflicts

around the world meanwhile the united

states is the only country in the world

that cannot ej thank you if i don't

already think

keep its children safe at school this is

an absolute pandemic and violence in

america is at really unknown he kind of

looks like peter thiel it's kind of

weird precedent levels honestly america

really resemblance i mean it's kind of

uncanny to check itself and we must

ensure one of the most basic human

rights in a civil society and that is

safety for citizens if we could ever

break

away from the illusion that they're out

to get us which is totally false we

could start chopping back on our on our

defense budget

every thought of bringing pepe escobar

on the show also he's personal friends

with dugan might be a way to reach him

yeah i did message him once i think and

he's just

not accessible

i did try to reach him though

tensions could re reduce and have a

genuine economy that wasn't based on

killing people in foreign countries in

my opinion the united states needs to do

more for its citizens on the ground in

america we need a government that

actually is accountable for the people

and this is something that the united

states needs to look internally as we

look outside of america let's do more

business deals and focus on trade i'm a

huge proponent that the united states

and china must come and work together

and i'm one for just separating our

differences in politics the united

states and china are never going to see

eye to eye on the political spectrum

however we can learn to work together

because this is what is needed for the

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and we could argue now we have put our

money where secretary austin's mouth

went because what he really means he

really means that

china are the largest threat

to the us's rules

and

the report is titled

war with china

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regional and conventional we wage mainly

by ships in b2c

cyberspace would start in remaining east

asia i want you guys to understand

something a lot of people think it's

always going to be nuclear war nuclear

weapons are a weapon of last resort i we

didn't really get to get to this

stuff in the debate especially with

regard to the nato expansion

and how the nato expansion was a red

line that is completely unacceptable

but um

as far as the pretext is concerned

but

uh

you know duke why why would russia care

about nato's expansion because nuclear

war would just happen well no nuclear

war is the last resort okay so the rules

of war still matter i mean that's like

saying why would why do we are why is

there still an arms race how do they

still build military equipment and stuff

because nuclear weapons are

that's the last resort that's how it's

going to end probably

but you know

not how it's going to begin

a bit later in the report so saying that

all it's hard

the prospect of military send-off would

eventually be decided by non-military

factors

uh gdp deductions

and development and cause widespread

the capacity

aggravate

turmoils embolden separatists

and undermine the legitimacy of the

chinese regime network of precision

guided missiles along the third this is

why they're fucking with those island

chains they're building anti-china

missile networks

yeah

trying to pressure taiwan

buy weapons

not very good guys it's not it's not

looking very good

it's looking pretty ugly it's looking

pretty nasty it's looking pretty

dirt nasty you understand

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not like this

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i literally look like shadow the

hedgehog

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that's dark cods right some dark cods

anyway guys

most important thing

we're gonna take away

gonna remember

hey

thank you chris morlock appreciate you

uh

i didn't that was right away okay it was

bad time okay

um

that was bad time

okay

china only is

waiting for two

go through

it's not going through

you must have missed it okay china has

second strike capability which is also

in question due to the ssbn situation

russia has the first strike in

parity with any triad

did not know that thank you for the

donor

be shaded

all right

all right guys i will see you tomorrow

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i'll see you all tomorrow

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