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was good everybody how you all doing hos everybody do and there's so many of you in the fuck and chat

i can't keep up i can't name all you in the fuck and chat

i can accomplish that

i can do that

as you can see were of zoom were ditch in zoom

zoom is yesterday's news we're not doin no more zoom bullshit no more goin straight to discord from here on out when we have people on the show we're going to use discords fucking video capture no more zoom bullshit no more audio trouble no more poking and fucking around fuck zoom you know i'm saying fuck zoom in the chat and i'm say it's ok not to do fuck zoom in the chat howre y all doin to day you know i'm saying i'm feeling peculiarly energetic

because i did manage to get the necessary sleep despite gkp meup i'm kidding ging g we love you it's ok

but i

what's up everybody how you'll doing how you'll doing

so here's the thing guys i wanted to announce a few things

and uh

so i was supposed to have a debate or a discussion whatever you want to call it with socialism done left

yesterday

but

we're postponing that and it's probably going to happen tomorrow i think pretty sure it's happening tomorrow actually

so i was in the discord ms with him and shit he asked me if i was available to morrow i said yes so i'm assuming it's probably going to happen to morrow so

infrared sos and on left it's probably happening tomorrow another announcement is that there's a guy in my discord named comrade kong

he's looking for cloud he's fishing s for some cloud he said after we surpass one case subs he wants to debate me on whether china's socialist

and a few other topics this get so we're going to give the guy a chance i

that's also coming up

sometime in the future

anything else any other announcements anything i'm missing oh yeah ok let me tell you what the stream is going to be like today today' is going to be a continuation from yesterday

so

i'm going to give you guys the discord link once again

let's invite people

copy

and uh

join the discord

and we want to prioritize debaters ok

friendly people come on later

first people up we want debaters so join the discord if you want to debate with us

there were some russian journalists who wanted to debate me apparently he wanted to come on the show and expose me

he was in the comments i hope he's tuning in nowf he's going to start tuning in

but yeah

ya so uh

yeah

so basically

basically

beyond that

we're going to

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we're going to

read it

checking the ready you know the protocol guys like i said before every show we're going to check the read it the first thing we're going to do is check the read it i'm going to spam some redit links for all you guys to have a chance to join our readits because we'll check anything

hostile or positive we're going to be checking the reit ok

so whatever you guys put on that read it

we're going to be checking

ok

um

yeap

so join that read it if you want to you want to you know be covered and you want some attention on stream

you want to shout out anything like that

we're going to be covering

that ready

ok

okay

so

let's

look at what we're dealing with

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see how quick i solve that problem

put the right there ok let's check this rernt it out

see's going on at this rate

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su subbed because has is a loser

dude please please such a loser man such a loser place up or is this an enemy

who was this whose channel was this because that's not my channel

thk

who is this from tell me where this is from

there's a negative video about me

i want to know that

show me the negative video

show me the negative video i want to see

i want to see

um

yeah

yeah let me know what's going on with that

let me know what's going on with that

yeah i want to see what's going on with that

on the last thing vosh sees before being

ripped apart ain't that the truth

ain't that the fucking truth

ah oh it's denhims we got denhims again

so

okay denims

denims came around to infrared

she must have come around to infrared

your twist shed is not being moderated does' need to be moderated

what's what's happening

yeah we're going to check out denim's response to us

or her reaction to our debate

for those unit in the loop denhim stumbled upon by luck as of neat

infrared

and i don't know if she's accepted or declined the offer to collaborate we very generously gave her the

opportunity to collaborate with us

you know what i'm saying becuse i kind of felt bad for her she's like kind of a small streamer

and she's not growing as fast as we are she doesn't have the same like energy as us her chat is not as lively and active as our chatters you know what let's have an opportunity to collaborate because you will greatly benefit from this new tide infrared is bringing to the game we're changing up the whole game denams

but the offers rescinded now because it took too long to respond so i'm dropping that offer sorry

sorry about it

but the offers

gone and rescinded you took too long

and we're already like you're kind of irrelevant like who's denims again you guys know this is

yes iver heard of this i have never heard of this person who's denis

denims who i got one hundred nine viewers right now you know i'm saying i got one hundred nine viewers right now who's denims

s denims who's denim

who's donna

you guys ever heard of her

you guys ever heard of her i never heard of her

i okay

one hour fifty six

forty seconds

i can't believe i'm giving her free clout

should i give her this free clout

i guess i should

i guess i should give her this free clout

you know

she's kind of leeching off of us thoug like denims i gave you the opportunity to collaborate with us and now you've got to stoop to leaching off of was this kind of pathetic don't you think

you got a leach off us now denoms

when i gave you the opportunity to collaborate imagine being able to collaborate

with us you wouldn't have to be leeches you guys look at these yesterday streamers just leeching off us and shit

like omega who you know i'm saying omegga who who is this fucking person they're leeching off us and shit our viewers on we got a hundred and twelve viewers and nine hundred subscribers

pretty much by now

you know i'm saying that you fuck this up you fuck this opportunity up because you underestimated us because you're siding with the people who appear to have the clouds but you're not looking with infrared vision at the people who are rising and are going to outplace those people you got to think ahead of the game denims you like one of those people in twenty sixteen who wasn't buying bitcoin or athorium

why didn't you do that

exactly cause the arrogance

we are like bitcoin in twenty ten right now you w you have no idea you have no idea how fast and how big we're going to get

but it's too late i'm sorry now you have to leach off of us don't you

pretty pathetic

pretty pathetic

pretty pathetic

um ya

sorry denhams

but you're kind of irrelevant now and you got to leach us leach off us and shit

tank you destroy

of

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denhims has more views than you what

ah but if you think with infrared vision who is growing at a more rapid pace than a more rapid advance we are because we're the future

we're the future you understand

you don't look at things in the anglo box but all she has more of you but we are heavy more viewers than her you understand

we are having more than her

we are having more than her

they're growing more than her you understand

don't think in terms of that anglo box

hitler had the right idea where do these fucking people come from dude

like why would you say that in my chat

this be thisill be a nice change of pace actually

actually she ha sens to pace

she can brows and

but we were looking at ok this is a she can sense it you know i'm saying she ca sas for siteen minutes really

all right let's see

hello

you know what's up

ok vosh what's up what's up see

before we get into anything

i want to say why don't we big on we look at this by shit talking chat infrared is a moron

infrareds a moron come debaate us and we'll see the fucking moron is

pussy you fucking pants wearing idiot in her fuck and chat you got damn sim

you little simp

those simp boy in her chat that's ok i'm not scared to say the word say the word you're simp du do a simp you in her chest she likes me better than you by the way by the way she likes me better than you

she likes me way better than you dude

way better than you

and you're just a fucking guy in her chat

how does it feel dude

i'll wait

o way you can't say shit

because you' just a string of text and i'm a living person with my face ot he you know if you come out here and put your buk of face out here like me

proceed

by being respectful as begins being respectful

infrared will show respect to people who show us respect we can have a nice civil constructive respectful conversation what do you think about that my friend

ok i agree to those terms but only after an initial period of disrespect which i'll begin by saying what you wt win but you when you started the war ok when i was like you want to do that why you know pus

but

i offered my hand of respect

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dude

dude can we get back to this stuff you know

your viewers are an intreamist chat attacking people on your behalf well

i can't do nothing about it i know it's against you o west to advocate for that

but

i merely cannot do anything about it because we're that powerful we're that big and powerful my viewers are the most enthusiastic viewers because they believe in infrared vision ol g's been here from day one you know i'm saying and you are denim simp and she likes me better than you by the way

just let me know

i'm so tuh oh my god i love this shit

oh my god all right

okay all right let me vi let we just chill let me chill

oh is this a skit no no but you will win that bro

look at her coping simpson the chatty aratery want to do everything

are

my read it and my chat

def debate in forra it what are you doing why are you spamming me

i a sm you that is the power of infrareds chat my friend we are so powerful right now you have

eight k viewers and i have a hundred first at whenever i say some ship people put this soy face let me see your fucking face dude

what do you put in the soy faceb bach

put in this soy face

like who you talking down to hah who you who you talking down to ha

you look like that

i'm not the one who's in he i'm not the one who's in this streamer's chat

twenty four seven

i'm the one being recognized by her by the way

you're the guy in her chack

you see the difference between us so you're that guy with those glasses go with his fucking mouth open that's you

that's you she's reacting to my video my r channel infrareg channel she's reacting to infrareg channel

shame regie youe're nothing dude you're nothing you're absolutely nothing

you're trying to just get her attention and you're never going to get it

how does it make you feel little boy

hoes it make you feel

and you want to call me this

want to use the smt to describe me

how pathetic

how pathetic

how pathetic

our chat is more high energy than your chat i'm sorry to say man i can't control them they're crazy out of control

we're while

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oh my god this is the larpiest

tanky period

this is the marpiess tanky period and comes s you if i'm about it

come see if i'm about to test my bluff

see if it's a larm

see if it's a larg

i love this dude oh my infrared is power tripping

good

everyone should be power tripping in this chat because we are powerful you understand we do believe in power i want to power trip you almost power ip you don't think they're power tripping when they have guerrillas and sons in the chat that's power

ian

ian that's power

power you understand

what do you want us to not have power we are power it's power that is radiating through this chack

this chat is nothing but power this dream is nothing but power

you understand

what up guerrilla gang rise up how you doing bi what up pioneer thanks for the follow what up

fucts

what up andrew richardson ninety two ho you doing bro

this is a power trip

this is a power trib you're right you're right

you're right

you're right

you're right

high energy power trip because we are power tripping because we are powerful you understand communism with a capital ce

he talked to he son a son doesn't do debates

god they have so much power bro

i can't control them

i can't control their fucking power bro

and they're spamming it's out of control

this energy dude oh my god the crackt energy is so strong

olbro we're growing so fast and we areims that's o k you can say it's crackhead energy

you could say it's cracket energy but i'm smarter

then destiny and wash

i'm more knowledgeable than them and i prove it on stream i just proved it

with wash

i just proved it with vosh but you want to see him a qracks ok denims i have both the energy

and the arguments to back it up

both of those things i'm not like destiny whose low energy

and got nothing to back it up i'm not like voss whose low energy

got nothin to back it up

but they pretend like they oh i can excuse myself being low energy because i'm and i'm a smart you're not smart though

you're not

future of the left on you tube i'm sorry'm out of so it's you know it fits that power we that energy we're matching it

all right no way magining it wasy no matching shit wash

a i hit you like a

fucking train coming from

whatever that fucking expression is a mile away how they say i hit you like a bag of bricks you know see it coming from a mile away

you know i'm saying osh

your best arguments you tank you that's what people say

i'm one hundred percent tank you one hundred percent stalinist one hundred percent mas maxism leninism in the age of multipolarity look at this guy denim shat we need to unleash our power but looks like all these simps in the chat

all the simps in the chat

that are jealous that she likes me better than all of them

she's laughing when she sees me she's smiling when she sees me

but when she sees you she just goes

she makes that gross stup face because you're creek

in her chat covered world

ok it me up what i assume you're familiar with some of my arguments

i am familiar with

some of your arguments

so let's see where do we want to begin

let me b paint a broad brush

and let's capture a bunch of arguments and are to exped your view we're going to exped the would into anything

i want to say why don't we biggin this by being respectful as being to be respected

infrared show respect to people so you know we're doing to a s as you not time this sorry donn is you know to saying only have to be leaders enough of our clout that's ok that's ok

and we're reacting to you because we're you know but we got to speed it along you know two x because we don't have all that much time for you you know i'm saying you had the opportunity before

you missed the you dropped the ball you know i'm saying you missed it so it is what it is

what's that at

twitter dot com slash show infrared

who's this denims radliy i don't know dude

ate of disrespect whichll begin by saying what wment w know like you want

butck

do me ge back to this stuff i'm sort oh my god i love the shit

oh my god all right ok all right let me b we just tell let me tell

oh is this a skit no no would you w not broke

the up

my read it and my chat different debate in for what we do whatre saming i must wen you go is the power of inforation my friend we are so powerful right now you have it youars and im hundred year was our side is more high energy than your chat i storr to saing i ca it's a a crazy we're what

eight hundred seventy subs we're going to get to nine hundred

getting to nine hundred very slim i love this ud oh my god they have so much power bro

i can control them i ca control their falcking power bro

understanding it's out of control

this energy dude my god the crackt energy is so strong ath we're going so fas got a few shes of wash

she's a wash eye

pathetic

hey denhams you're since you're a wash eite apparently

i swane on like how does it feel that i destroyed

your guy wash

and a bitch of a shame it's a bit of a shame now isn't it

voice came

humbling down

in this debate he ran away with his tail between his legs thenms

then i'm but you know what you can be an infrared fan from he on out you know i'm saying you can be an infrared fan you used to be a wash you can be

infrared dlight

you know i'm saying

it ain't too quick it's not too late

to

join us

but you know like you're not going to get special privilege or anything

like you can be in my chap for example you know i'm saying but

i don't think i can collabor with you because we're a little bit too busy you know

so it's you know if it's that hoowur with energy i imaginement a llright let's do it me with your best argument you thank you people'ay

i'm one hundred percent eenty one hundred percent stlls onehunred percent i was mauch min is an age of multiple like denims denims

you can come on my show que

with everyone else

you're not getting a special privilege though

you know like you can go on my discord and wait in the show quue

and i'll try to find time for you but

we're not going to you don't have any sprout special privilege because i already gave you

the opportunity for that and you you know you didn't get back to me and now you see in that i'm surpassing you and i'm surpassing everybody i'm bred to we're growing so fast so rapidly as plain as day that by the end of the years you know i'm saying but you can get in the show cue and now like you know we're going wait in line and then you know i'll let you on

larry in the post coald world

ok i me what i assume you're familiar with some of my arguments i am familiar with some of the arguments so let's see we wmt togein

let me brok in a broad brush and let's capture whatmuch arguments w arging your view of liberalism which is also boundd up with your view of american unipilarity your slander and demization of rusia as a fascist pwer you defense of american youunll the liberal world order against the specter of fascism and we can bridge that to your views on capitol hill rights youre dorsement for going providing that kind of i weave these threads together and geteres

was that

ep theicize we're all together i like to tak these different perspective you knowifed we got precise

precise

ok what do one of those nagging mean what does nagging mean

this is hom a some of your idea is that

it's arithmetic right

uh liberalism is greater than fascism better than fascism

wife

i'm sorry i got there's been a lot ok i'm sorry i can't pause we'll be here forever if i coud this arrogance because

you know i'm saying

look at this arrogance i'm sorry i don't understand it oh really you don't understand it

ok

we'll see well wait until we get one hundred k followers maybe then you understand my argument

but maybe you don't see it right now because

you think vosh

he' is bigger than us but i just defeated wasoh

watch the video

again

in slow motion maybe you have to watch it

half speed

by pause at every single thing he says ok especially if you like normal tanky arguments the ones that you see all the time

um

that

can someone explain to me what neg means

what the funct does that mean

i don't want to google it

i'm busy doing this

nagging is pick up artist do do

what are you talking about

what does that mean

how is that

and

isn't that the opposite of what i'm doing

uh

like a well i know like i can't try i can't rush up right you can't i'm going to see but the this your liberalism is that nagging is an act of emotional manipulation whereby a person makes a deliberate backhand compliment

where is my compliment is my question i didn't make a compliment

or otherwise flirtaation remark how to undermine their confidence and it all to undermine their confidence and increase their need but i just told her she can come in the v c

and that's all she can do she has to wait in line like everybody else that's the option i'm extending to her

i already told you the windows fast

no is no what's lost in translation here did i say did i say

that

ah

i don't eve know what i'm for to say i don't know

i don't understand

the arithmetic

what you say

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liberalism is greater than fascism it's arithmetic right

liberalism is greater than fascism better th fascism

then therefore socialist communist should be proliberal against the fashist

i don't think it's worthwhile to attack which is like w and you know you know understand if you use common sense i was basically saying vosh is calling everybody outside of he's using you scwe of protecting liberalism from the thront of fascism

right

that's what i'm foking saying

it's so simple to understand

i'm pointing out laying out his simplistic line of thinking voh thinks that just because well fascism is better than liberalism therefore we shoul a side with

the liberal order but you can't side with the liberal order because the liberal order is the thing that gave birth to fascism in the first place that was my fucking point i didn't i thought it was plain as day i don't know maybe it's lost in translation maybe the fact that unlike vosh we only have i'm not going to say we only have maybe for now if you put us in an anglo box we have nine hundred subs and vosh has three hundred thousand so maybe that's what got it lost in

translation denims maybe you only recognize the validity of arguments based on how much clout they have

denims but guess what denims you know i'm saying

it's eventally going to happen that we're going to surprisse all these people then all of a sudden infra is going to be crystal clear then people like you are going to say oh wow he makes a lot of sense

but it's too late

it's too late for the

meanwhile everyone in the chat here is watching us

everyone in the chat here is watching us

even though were not as big for now

for now

as these fucking shut the fuck up you god damn heater one saic one sed the fuck sut fk up

ok sorry even though

you know i'm saying

were not is a

we're not as i don't know if i forgot what i was focusing ok let's continue

theeralism if the outcome of that attack would sent withot wih

he said that like socialist and communist should't be fascist

motion

i'm sorry whenre we for what i didn't know we started enjoying

fascism w do we ironically started joining fascionism what are you talking about denims i said he's saying we have tocide

with forking arm

we have to vote for biden to stop fascism idn't say

that communists are pro fascist what are you talking about

hello

oh ma lost in translation because we don't have the clout apparently

it's ok n

baptism i think that you need to maintain you need to ensure that your particular liberalismledus a better place

i'm familiar with itles masters like ok so you know it's about recognition w about recognition was ion it's a fight

this is like an ironically pure ircenergy i'm sorry this is like this is pure recengy where you throw a likean argument or like it's like phrase it like it's like the it's a more enjoyable version of watching temple talk well temple dos he brings up something he knows about

so you'll be like ok sobt fin no i'm assuming actually that vosh knows about the master slave dialectic because most of these bread to people i think are familiar with it because they have a minimum bread toub education

right and it is falcking relevant to the point my whole point of bringing up i was basically saying the reason that arithmetic is wrong is because if you look at the logic of the master slave dialectic you can see that even though we want to live

even though we want to live

as human beings if we don't prove our life by our willingness to die

ok then we then we're going to be a slave

in the same way even just as we don't want fascism we don't want fascism right

we don't we don't want a fascism but if we're not willing to risk the death of liberalism by proving our own ship

then we will fall victim to fascism that was my point dude that was my point it was such a simple fucking point

it was such a simple point

tho she's not going to come on the show

and she's not allowed to come on the show

as a streamer she can come as a guest in the v c she can join our discord and come as a guest in the v c

just like anybody else i already extended her an invitation when we were a five hundred sub andy remember when she was saying oh this is a five hundred sub andy now we're a nine hundred sub andy after two days later so we're going at such a rapid pace

and i'm saying she blew she blew it she blew it sorry denims

you see like this thing the news rely like do you know this is and they whatant there whatant you knows that it to be seem smarter than you right

this is exact no it's not to make it seem smarter than you if i wanted to see it seem smarter than fuck invo started talking about crazy delusiion shit or something

master slave dialectic is like a simple logical

whatever it's like it's something very simple it's not that fucking complicated

ok

um

am shit where you bring up these big words to make you feel and look smarter there's nothing the master slave dialectic isn't a big word

denims your little daddy wash who by the way i destroyed and i brought to his knees

and that he had ran away with his tail between his legs denims

by the way

he should have known what that is

because he's pretending to be this knowledgeable guy so he should know about an elementary thing

like the master slave dialectic it's very elementary

it's not a fucking

big word at all you want to know big wods denims you want to know big words denim

you want to knowo big word

you want no big words

okay

you want know big words i'll send you my writings and you'll find big words in my writings

sh want give words

and you heard about this theory because the theory is gigantic right

and and when you saiy yes they explain it anyway that's like ok

a gall bullshit to see who is wing that i hate he gellan bullshit

you don't know anything of like

even if you do hate tgelian bullshit

it's so fucking simple dude to people it's a logical scenario of power and whatever two people going at it

the person who is willing to prove their life

by their willingness to die

okay the most whoever doesn't blink whoever doesn't flinch

they win

or alternative they can die when the they will die and they die right or if they don't die then that's how they become the master

so it's like chance you could die

and that'll be that and the other person wins or one person can flinch

and you know

to submit because they're too scared to fucking die how fucking simple is that dude if i explain this to people in prison they would understand

in a fucking prison yard if i splain this to street gangs they would falkin understand cause this is street logic

hegel's talking about some very simple street logic i just brought up the master slave dialectic

because hegel integrate he

for hegel there was a philosophical significance to it and vosh is pretending to be the smart guy so he should know about that

you know but this is common sense street logic man

why my why is you gallian what's so fucking obscure about it

nothing

but denims you're always free to request

a me to educate you on it on it you can come in the discord and come in the v c

and i'll do my best to educate you denims because cooly wash he's not a good teacher

so i need to be a teacher to you i guess

sure to people whevers proving to have more balls and we're going to die beae they went out elegal master right

i'm not entirely sure if that's a faithful interpretation of the glian a concept but so

what is that right

sure it's about the flight foru proving your life ya mm it's really simple

just like those in really simple

be simple

it's a fight to thei grou like're notjust like

what's allgorical what are we

what i'm talking about the same shit you it's not allegorical wasosh

you know what the master slave dialectic is

and why hegel talked about it

he's talking about the origin of statehood

for example

but you're i thought you knew about that wash you sound like you always act like such a smart guy

some type of order you have a state you have a status quo

whoever is wiing to risk his death with the most courage and with alternati vision

why

i

ok denim s clearly you your teacher wash hasn't educated you about these basic things

so come in a discord

and ask one of our moderators and ask one of our well read people in the discord to educate because

i don't have time for you

i don't have time for you denons

but you can come in a discord and and you know

politely ask someone in our discourd to explain it to you

because the layman in our discord is smart enough to know about this that you don't know about it's ok thatms this is what happens

this is what happens

when you get your education from os

oh how cute

how cute

he' already sound so tired two men enter grug one man leave

fight you death

i must

okay thiss like some no

it's not one man leave it's one man submit

and guess what happens

they become the slave

ma's just slave it was a vinc vienttage how you do and grow

thanks for the following

weird i'm mixing rug and'm mixing yoga i don't really know what i'm doing here

re fascist msmic i don't know what i'm looking at

dude who said it's fascist mythmaking you dumb fuck

can someone in her chat please come to bait me

this guy did not understand hagel

i don't understand hegel

so

you come explain this to me then

come explain to me what i didn't understand

you see how they make assumptions

dude you're jealous you're coping

your denims likes me better than you

by the way

even though it seems like she's siding with wash in this argument she' just playing it safe

she actually likes me better

then you

by the way

she does

i can see it

the when you're willing if you're not willing to risk the death of the liberal order

then you prove your weakness and in fact like bring did then the fashion are go to come ino like i said but you object to the view that trump is fashion

and there is n spectra fascism a's coming from the right pok'srety i thank you she's not brave enough to side with us or side with me yet

because she'll lose ckloud

and reputation

but i could see

that she likes me better than you

in the check

she likes us

trust me she does

he's going to be like the most profassion people you fin out i w i said the fascist i said it the reas a fss you seem to be supporting a my gos is and alex of was close to be a russian eno fascist and you callmp civil civil nationalist why on a civic nationalst but whate was a fascistm that question af fasi

wi isn't wise of on a civic nationalist but trup is a fascist

none of them call themselves aashes acording to you knowo folydo comparing muslimspars the cockroaches isn't this why i laid the hammer down on wash

and i just qrested him

one in the chat of washer is walking crushed at this point

once in the chat of oss is crossed specifically at this point

like did he have a response

he doesn't have a response to his dude he doesn't have a response he was just crussed man

he was fucking crushed

at that point

like i got him so bad dude

i got him so bad

so fucking badman

so fucking bad

terminated and you called thehim a civic nationalist wash you a civi not let you talk

he learly does not like a dog

yeah denims i'm not letting him talk

because this is what vosch would have done if i was polite

and i said this in a discord

here's a what of fucking happened

i would have been polite

and then i would have said something he would have cut me off because he thinks he's the dominant one no i'm the dominant one you understand when it comes to me in wash i will dominate wash because tankys will dominate bread to you understand so he thinks he's the dominant one because he has more clout he would cut me off he would say some spiel some mathematical spiel destiny robotic spiel and then he wouldn't let me respond kick me out and declare

victory and then his fulking schaut would be like ca rereckedon own listen guys

let me tell you do not get it twisted

do not get it twisted

someone clip this do not get it twisted

the animal like

cave man mentality is thatt play when it comes to oh and bred tube wash does play dirty tricks and he does try to he does he is passive aggressive and his chats thinks of him as the alpha male even though he doesn't win in terms of reason he doesn't win in terms of reason it's just that he sneaks in this attempt to be the alpha maile right

but i'm just doing it directly and i dominate him and i don't let him falll with me like he was trying to play games with caleb

right cae caleb is actual human being not an animal like me

i'm not and i'm not saying i'm perfect

i am a falking crazy guy right but caleb's a normal human being

and wash was acting like a fucking animal here against caleb but i'm not going to let h do that to me and a wash's community instead of being able that h dominated me

they see i dominated him and now they want to report me and make up some shit to cancel us

you see how it works dog eat dog

dog eat dog dog eat dog

that's the law of the jungle

that's how it is when it comes to this shit too you think it's about reason you think it's about logic if fuckin isn't he would have cut me off not let me respond and then kicked me out and declared victory and his chat would have seen that as an act of dominance but i dominated him

were victorious

infrared was victorious

guerrillas and sons in the chat

guerrillas and sons in the chat

infrared was victorious never forget that never forget that

he literally isust like no you know talk me talk now

my turn to talk

grugon

what is this i don't understand why i'm watching

i literally don't understand

fashis is not branding it's horrible branding left this audio i don't understand

what is the

ok denims come ino discord i'll help you are and i won't help you but someone will help you understand

if you want

ask politely got

what

okay al right whi you thatsiny ok would fashist call themselves a fascist when that ind of

see how vosh is a fucking idie why would he respond that way

i would a fascist go with pon doesn't com so a fascist

neither does navali or trump

so

how are you going to determine who's a fascist or not

none of them call themselves fascists

for you fascism is an ideal essence you can impose upon people who are a not calling themselves fascist and b who do not secretly harbor explicit fascist beliefs

which i doubt putin does what evidence is there that putin

secretly harbors fascist believes he doesn't

putin is a russian centrist liberal

not liberal he's an a liberal russian centrist that's what fucking putin is

boo hooo and cry about it it's the fucking truth

i think it only has some very bad tenences is better than i think s some really bad tendencies why would why doesn't putin just have bad tendencies why is putin a fascist is my question

that no one's answered that by the way no one's answered it

why' is putin a fascist

because he has political repression so did communists

political repression means fascism that's fucking stupid

authoritarianism means fascism that's fucking stupid

that's fucking stupid

that doesn't fly i that doesn't fucking fly just because it's not a liberal democracy it's fascism

shut up

putin putin for all his problems and his social conservtism we which weret putin a racist a fking racis

ok hold on let's wait i don't even care it it you want to roll back to like the substantce

what is he laughing putin is not

a by the way what i mean by putin not being a racist is he doesn't stir up anti immigrant vitriol and genocidal exterminationism against non ethnic russians

putin builds mosques

around russia

so how is he a fascist

is my question

he's not stirring up anti immigrant vitriol

and unleashing

russian chauvinists on minorities

like what is so fascist about putin i don't fucking understand he arrests neo nazis for doing things like that and neo nazis do exist in russia

yeah and britle echoes dumb fucking poetry was never a definition it was just

em berto echo pontificating upon what he thought distinguished fascism which it didn't

because it can all fucking apply to anything

antial against what we're talk in bert to echo was a fucking moron

fosso callingh put in i'm sorry does it matter if he's a racist or not

does it matter if he's a racist or not i don't know maybe for the muslims and immigrants

and

racial minorities who live in russia denims

i might pt her a little bit

maybe a little bit

little tiny bit

you know

like

think of washs tiny p p energy

it matters maybe this much

momuch

maybe this much it matters i don't know that as you tell me

how don't gep a fight if he's a racist or not it doesn't change the no no the thing that matters is that

he censors tick talk that's that's that's what matters nw whether immigrants are being exterminated

and being hoarded off into camps and being exterminated like cockroaches like when thevony was saying who cares right who cares about that iss long as the voy is not censoring the internet and he's allowing to talk

clapse in the chat claps in the chat for defeating fascism we're just letting tick talk we're going to uncensor tick tk

with defeated fascism who cares of immigrants being killed and slaughtered and exterminated and genocide against minorities who gives a f great who gives a fught

but i could like

p automatic it's like ice is anyone who tries to run against them

like i don't give the racist he ices anyone who tries to run against him ok so do they do the same thing in america they may not kill them or if killing is your problem america has blood on its fucking hands but denims

i know wash has taught you

how a debate

but have you ever considered

that the d n c rigged the election against bernie and therefore iced

their opponent bernie sanders

just like putin does

i'll wait

denis response to this please

please respond to this

or don't respond to it

but you will see it

and you'll feel bad

for making fun of me it's ok that i'm

i'll accept your apology

he's a fascist and that's enough for me

i don't i literally don't give up if its due the races he's committed crim are you just care that he's a

he what crimes has he committed ha

because he's engaged in mob mobster type mafia shit the you every country does that by the way and yeah russia is not a liberal democracy it's called a managed democracy and it's an illiberal democracy

it's just different

russia is just different all countries are different

not every country has to be like america

why does every country have to be like any country that's not america is a fascist country and it's criminal

where'es it come from where does the where does it come from it comes from os it's ok denos

infrared will re educate you

when we when we become when we grow when we have clouds

suddenly all your perspectives will change when we're bigger than was you'll be like oh now i see the light

now i see the light

you'll see the light

when we're bigger than vosh because all these streamers think in terms of cloud it's ok denims

ok

ok nels

crimes are much worse but it's hard for me even care about whether or not he's a fascist

the suit is covered in brainworms he is

oh i'm covered in brainworms

common and them i'll debate

dowe

in your chat

and your mom

i'll debate all your minds then

all your mominds all debaate m

and i won't even raise my voice i'll talk like this

i'll just talk like this in a soft voice

is that what you want

so you can't

dismiss what i'm saying just because i'm being loud

talk like this too and i'm still

still destroyed

you don't understand what's happening

denoms infrared is rising

infrared is rising

you understand

infrared is rising

infrared is what's rising

not bright tube anywre

bet you had the chancey

he went and voted for biden biden's president now

yesterday's news

sorry

i don't this is a

i don't i don't dislike you

is it

think for the tom with a prime p i don't i really really don't care if someone if a fascist ader like i don't give a fuck if blls bolls aarro bll blls aarerro is an actual if you actually

bulls and arrow

gone is a genuine transfer or not

does he mistreat

is he a policy that mystery

denims that's what i meant

you think what i meant was that putin was personally racist

no denims let me

patiently explain to you

that what i meant and what anyone who was

listening would have interpreted it as

is what i meant

is that putin is not politically a racist

putin doesn't call for the extermination of muslims he doesn't compare immigrants to cockroaches and

and he doesn't compare muslems to cockroaches

putin doesn't do those things he doesn't run campaigns based on russian f no chauvinism

for putin russia is a multi ethnic

and multi in a sense multicultural

civilization and it always has been

ok

for putin

russian nationalism isn't just about the russian ethnicity

it's about the russian big space the russian civilization which encompasses many ethnicities

and many

nationalities ok

you need to get you need to be educated them

you need to go get your education

before you come at me

because you look silly

trans people and gay people

yes i don't give a fuck if he is raisen

reight

irrevovantly it was on row

ah okay we shl keep going alright irrelevant point

rech poltics ust fuck at this pointyeah

yup

my w to take you turn it's funniest but it aways bac to the same thing you're picking and choosing what is reson fascism and based on that you're silling for the liberal status uo which that'lyorally historally speaking liberals english liberally i want to fund it fascism an you want to respond to that english leds are the ones who funded fascism

can anyone respond

can anyone respond

it was their pic talking project

the reas the communy has always been the liberal elites in a liberal world order a definition of actions ok

no see he

no nobout does everyone get hung up when i say no no i'm not going to begin a fucking discussion by creating a dogmatic premise

who fucking talks like that

no we are saying no

it's not how you could begin discussions

you don't begin discussions by creating a dogmatic premise every premise can crack i can crack every premise easily

easily i can crack

every premise

it's just that they're going to hang up the phone before they let me do it have destiny on i'll crack his premise i ck destiny's proremise destiny to me and i will crack his promise bring destiny to me and i will crack his premise clip this in send it to destiny destiny if you're listening cae debate me give me your premise and i will crack it

i will crack every premise every definition i will crack

because they are crackable all of them

because that's not how you convey meaning that's not how you engage in discussions that's not how you talk when you talk you have to implicitly accept that the meaning of words is open and must be built upon and the unconscious web of associations that we ma that may differ between us must be developed on the basis of mutual discussion and dialogue and constructive development of meaning that's how human conversation

s work you don't create a dogmatic premise and see how it holds a fucking robot engages in that way and that robotic thinking is why destiny and voslike have sociopathic

takes that are completely anti human and divorced from human reality

but they rehold them because the premise led them in that direction

pathetic

pathetic

bring me destiny

bring me destiny

floor

i'm sorry that's funny as fuck

know you can going to give you a definition so you can maail me on it later no no i'm good i'm good i know what i should have shud to do all right

nice try buddy nice try i see that you tried to catch me on this

i'm smarter than that ok

no

we have a mean for people we call your definition a the reduction of the meaning of words to more strings of words the angle box you think the meaning of words is premised by some something someoneting so what you crassism as a historical famly go dog he literly refuses to let him speak at all ever

he just like no a you don't get to speak no

what is the englo box i don't know what

you will know

you don't know what the anglo boxes you will know

the mem will spread

far in wide

it will be known what the anglo box means

it will be n

it will be n

i think this is the first debate i've ever seen where voch is talking less than his opponent is talking

yes i think because i exude dominance over wash

because i'm more high energy than voche

low energy voss versus

high energy infrared

simple as that

ironically this is the first time i've ever seen this

what youk has that word referred to i got to be a little loud loud loud talkingficions it think you's a question a i i think're

whenying fat you know why you you nevern go to rendll you fa i weed to know who you are if ws ied to have definitions and jus come you are no n no no words have sense words have meaning with that meaning that words have sense to me and i don't even know what this

it sounds what it sounds like distrust your heart denims trust your heart

if you trusted your heart

you wouldn't be siding with wash in this scenario i can see that denims

so trust your heart

in trust

trust in good faith

what it sounds like words have sense and words have meaning

that doesn't mean it's reducible

to a fucking eternal premise

simple as that

means word have sad

bragge i don't know

what have sense what

you not understand but word hap sense

the do

it do have

jesus

ya you know what that means it means

you mean

there's an element outside of

the boxes that we place words in

that must intervene reality itself

what is sense sense is how we immediately relate to reality isn't it

isn't it

isn't it

isn't it

is not reducible to some formalistic preemptive string of words's written a stoneta somef's ever going to reduction of human meaningcar w do you think people writing dictionares get a fucking words from that the a' defining word from they get from actual realityf you're going to reduce the meaning of words to another string of words and guess what there's no talking there's no meaning words at all everything just sef referential there has to be a bit of actual reality to give meaning f word

but literally hasn't spoken and like because he

i know everything he has spoken and i've cauht him off

cause i finished his sentence and if i wasn't finishing his sentence you would say stop that's not what i was trying to say

i know what he was going to say before he said it

because he's predictable

and i just get caught right to the chase sorry for cuting to the chase

denims

i

spoken in like five minutes

you know i know when i start giving up on talk when i'm try this is so much'm sorry me this is so much betteran ho hoh this is so much be

ohmy god

doesn't if we're actually asking what you'ref you p if what you're asking if it was if what you're asking if what you're asking is for me to simplify what i think fascism is i'm going to give you a definition's a wle for every possible context every possible lo

but oo does you

oh my god i love it i could love it

jesus it's so good it's so much better th that this is the this is the best ofate i've seen

this is that this is pe debating i never ever want to see another debate

but anyway this is the

this is that ok and just recing i w someu the seae this is what i mean by sense denim

you sense that we're high energy

you sense that you like us better

you sense it

you just don't have the words in your head to describe it

ain't that the truth

fashion is a historical phenomenon that was emerged in the twenties and thirties a period that was an objective social revolution the forces of corruption and politics you had a new deal you had the british welfare state you had a social democracy and you had soviet communism alvioys reed by the fact there was some kind of objective social revolution defind the era fascism

fascism was specifically facism is not some of us a very fascism is liberalism fascism is liberalism

as entered into a contradiction with with itself fastism is a psychosis of liberalism is psychlosis of liberalism a liberal

what the words mean none of these words mean anything thatasm is the psychosis of a liberal none of these words mean anything that wantt you ask me to explain what i meant

it's very clear fascism

is the psychosis of liberalism

fascism is just liberalism in denial

instead of accepting

the soviet revolution

they had to engage in denial and they had to go in genocidal exterminationist mode

because they couldn't accept the fact that the liberal order is dead

so they had to create a frankenstein monster the nazis

i don't

ah

what

understand what he's trying to say i don't

it's ok we knowt listen

that denims you don't have to understand

you can just ask

don't make the assumption that it's meaningless

don't make the assumption it's meaningless

the liberal order of the nineteenth century and liberal democracy objectively collapseed in the spireit the twenti and thirty

like what is it what is a fascist government like like me some terror

okn we move on from denims no we're going to finish it

irst ti i've actually heard ach interrupt speaker entire time

but like i want to try to red you just look at the example of i'm going to on a surface was notaz germany called itself aashist so itally so it's noting on the surface buts on circistics like me give me like some characteristic what i look at a fashiion government what it look likein a picture of

you so not german it want to pre the governans not just those t of fashionsan atraction ises actually exist in reality but some kind of something likes in thin air

we there's nos your ideism your idealism your ideism you i wasn't going what wasus i believe you believe that there's some abstract criteria it's internal platonic idea some shit that's actually manifesting its o real are you aware of any of the words a're using me yes i unkes us listen listen what unli

liooken i feel really bad for this guys that's ie imagine being with a liberal now

oh no who'se ex wife

i don't have an ex wife what are you talking about

just people just making shit up now i have an ex wife

what are you talking about

is it listen

what was it

list a bosh bosh listen exactly

her commentary just boils down to wow just wow

pathetic

i'm like you i know i'm talking about i'm actually great for soceials and iing for almost a decade i know i'm talking about wm talk abots talk tos you don't gues i have to got for it can't just be one way orses we got away fro it

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he takes too muchaling before streight he must be taking so much this is this is how i would stdream

would i would be on the sucond level if i did if i was on the valley before i got on my stream you should se i you're on what

people think of i people think i'm unfocking drugs

you should feel so bad cause i'm not on any

i'm clean

colddstand i'm straight edge

this i am naturally

i don't need drugs

i don't fuck i need drugs i have this ship for sleep and i haven't taken it in two weeks it's c b d and t h c for sleep

and i didn't even take that i was sis tak you last night but g kept me up sorry gn

so i'm not on any drugs

none

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lies in slander

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and you cauln see how wired how fucking wired i geths

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ask a questions on question answer so just so first of all my question is this is what you you anything wor me because i'm trying to invoke i see what happened when i love os talk all he did was say

you know what you're talking about what a stupid question

what a stupid question

you for concrete definitions of what comry about the opposite of some so concrete about this definition asking for nothingbout yousking to look at something actual reality you ask me to look at a string of words applies to every single circumtance and every possible well this in something isn't a kind of cjurio someone don't know two hundred devoves to do this debate

no who don't know that two hundred

who don't know that two hundred

who don't know that two hundred

i have an obvious botz in here makes it even weirder

they're not bots dude they're fucking you tube comments

chill the fuck out dude you look stupids fuck calling on bots

dude

it's you tube fucking

comments through restream you're talking out of your ass

who fuck con sent wash the two hundred can someone own up to that please

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oh we

why why why

listen vos

o is kind of curious for example form is it kind of curious that if you define fasional preemtively the way're saying you couldll apply to so you need to china north kore conver yeh you can apply to anything the return to tradition russia return to the tradition you could ppply to fucking anything literally anything

and voss says home doesn't that prove my point it doesn't go because literally everything outside of english english liberalism

and its manifestations in the world the anglo saxon world order you're calling fascist

yes politics is violence someone tell them denims this

someone needs to tell denimes

denims if you're listening

politics is ugly business

politics is violence that's all that falking is

all political power

i'm not going to ban my sins

politics is violence do you understand so yes non liberal

ah

political re reality seems like it's fascist

but that's the ugly truth that liberal countries just hide and sweep under the rug

you don't think the power of the u s government comes out of the barrel of the gun they just fucking hide it denims

they hide it

every flocking state on earth

is ruled by violence and force

there's no democracy

it's the biggest fake ever

deni explained me why they rigged it

against bernie if there's a democracy

i want you to go ahead and explain that to me god explain that to me

and then always kind of curious isn't it is you want to w want to why because you are you prejudiced by englils sexual libalsm according to which everything isid liberalism fasism's what you call it isn't it true this isn't true

what isn't true

this is like

i'm sorry

well actually

see

light bulb light bulb because she could feel infrared growing and rising she could feel us acquiring roud clout so a light bulb goes off her head actually

she could she could sense it now you see

it's all making sense

because we're rising so fast

well actually

maye hold that way is a root w was the root of well it's obviously it's a gross miscalculation but actually wasn't this the root of of the like or what i soke to uch about like the anglo

saxon like and alsom equals imperialism

oh like oh oh oh

brain brain work come on

alsoc equals imperialism and p like actually no actually n know bolivia as a good example of using your country'swn natural resources and not

you know abusing oh can i can i

ya sorry's a separate time we will do that after this on

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i'm saying it

i play strings but damn and im

i'm just getting i'm just kidding i'm joking ok and guy i bet you guys in one year deni is going to be in our discord shes going be asking for a

for modern our discord we're not going to give it to her though

but she will be in our discord

trust me

all right i'm kidding allthug i will say

some instruments are just doctin i'm sorry i'm kidding i'm kidding

all intimate are based sing for us hos iming to sing for you guys is that what you want

should i sing for you guys

what should it what a should i sing about

i'm convinced you got way too angry in your recent debates

and it's easier

walter i want you to know something walter one week ago we had twenty viewers look at our viewers right now

so don't tell me i don't know what i'm doing because i do

and the i'm joking i like me some good sex

i like me some some good

some good wind pipe

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right even like somee who barely understand inf reds a focking child

seventh irrelevant

get in my fuckon d c v c and we'll see who the chart is

will see will

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vocal vocal i can read win pipes weever

if you're shit it sounds horrible

it sounds horrible you can already goet know like four carqrds of the car yeah

like even someone whos very little would like i'll sing a song against denoms

but i want chats permission

like this someone very little like the pio someone like tunes it for you

like if you pint of you like chello or something so much to it for you so it's nice and good

and you play it even if if you'us a good instruments

it will sound pretty ok all right

g mean it's more cyc play when i can know i'm not singing those tunes guys

why would i fucking shit up those songs

like why would i fucking debaate them that way

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thek go a rett good aount thirt on deaf

have you heard my heart will go on play on record did i

have i been i don't know

anyways

okay

okay that's

i don't get here in't reeer s don't we go bac

non western every non anglo saxon white person w you masis very welll you call me abassist you call me a masisvo you detected my fucking voice'm an arab

you know i'm saying to be fair i only brought up the arab thing

right because you called me a fascist so too cod play at this ugly game you know what i'm saying too could play at this ugly game don't call me a fascist

and i can call you an anglo saxon chauvinist in errass

see how two can play at thy game

what's up tricks which

i'm sorry

i need a minute

i'm sorry

i am sorry

i

airbtect denims this track give me a fucking peat

and i'll do a dish track on her sit get show in the discord go on the discord and give me a beat

that i can play

and i'll do a distract on her

that i would

i'm sorry

i was laughing i started laughing because he got so mad his i'll do a distract on denims if you give me a dis fucking bet

cammer was out of frame

like if you go back like

what you

he got so bad he wasn't in frame anymore and the other part is what is that you know that arab but you called me a fascist

the point is denoms wash can detect

that i have non anglo energy so he set onm a fuking fashes

because you can see

that i have the power of the sun on my side and the big people's energy

and that is part and parcel of the fact that i'm an aggressive p o c like the god invosss jest said aggressive p o c should not be allowed on the left because they're way too unhinged and deranged

that is what a fuking am and that's the reason vosch called me a fascist cause the word fascism for these falking bread tubers the word fascism someone clip this this can be a golden clip for bread tubers the word fascism refers to the primordial wilderness of humanity outside of the anglo saxon liberal order which includes all of the non white people of the world all of their vigorous

human

humaness that's what they see is fascism it's a racist dog whistle used by liberals and bretube

to slant that's why they call russia fascist's why they call china fascist it's why they call every country that resists american unipolar liberal world order fascist that's why they call him fascist what they call stalin a fascist beuse he was a big georgian guy with a fucking big mousta because they call him a fascist because he's a he's an unapologetic georgian

you understand

anyone who's unapologetic about themselves anybody woh who walks with their backs straight in their chest held high their chin held high anybody who's not a cock they're going to call a fascist because everybody outside of their little safe space university and their cities and their metropolitan little fucking safe spaces and their little amazon whole foods bullshit fucking gentrified neighborhoods everybody outside

of the little communities is a so called fascist according to these fuck in liberals that's what the word fascism actually means in two thousand and twenty one don't get it twisted don't get it fuck and twisted

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this you call me a fst oice you cot attak to my forot voice i' an arab and you call me a fasist becaus you're fcting racest you wasn't trouble

h my god

okay okay i have a question

i have a question

a very important question

that's ok denims i hear you

what's your question

what's your question ns i hear you

loud and'm clear i hear you whats your question

if i'm arab does that mean i'm allowed to call other arabs fasist

no can do that

no denams what means you're a traitor means you are a simp

for the

anglo saxon supremacy and you're a traitor how dare you and how shameful of you

that's the case i have internalized racism

no yes no

no air can beas scientifically proven ok ok you have the effort path ok you guys tell you guys tell vosch

i'll say on his behalf

okay

you're ara you were feoy o yeah that' true i' fem my firstironic i'mm my first arab secon

so

yeah you guys youuy let know senda a clip over let him know i will do it on his behalf because i know

i don't watch it very

white

he's i know hes really the real reason he got the non lights

i'm tells the truth ok the real reason you got the light in the background

is because he was tired of blwing f ok at least now he's not blinding it she's giving oh

a pass

how disgusting poor ale come

poor aleicon

how disgusting

poor alic

how disgusting a traitor

to her own people

she siding with wash

how disgusting how disgusting

ya i was so y comm

sell out

sell out in the chat you know i'm saying sell outs in the chat she's a sell out

biggest sellout of all time

she's going to betray

her own people

to of

i was going to say fact not the other thing because resnt s a focal context but even then i don't want to sae because it was a little bit too harsh

but she's going to

for this fucking walrus the nerd walrus she's going to betray her own people

in like the blue background of the red background and stuf

i know why he did it i understand

you do what you got do

ok you know you got to do so youn let to know

i will carry this burden for him i will call the fascist fascist p com com yeah i will show my com

ok i can do it for him

i also have no idea to do there i look a big is maybe i didn't like i didn't think about i like like wheres the person from so

the real reason was because the has blue lights of ppe ppe

ok he i can tell if he was arab or armenian or mabe like turkish or like what i couldnt tell i it was like either

southern europe or

or it was on

was called northern afria i can tell what was

oh god or like maybe i be i don't know

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oh god

right

i don't say race i assum you know you believe an americanl like five words dens don't you understand the whole falcing point here is that there's anglo saxon supremacy and they got their

they got their foot down on the throat of the arab peoples and the peoples of the world and the african peoples and the asian peoples and the peoples of latin america don't you understand that's a type of anglo saxon supremacy denims

or no it's not

apparently it's not

apparently it's not so when they go and kill five hundred thousand kids

in iraq

for difw sanctions because they were starving on

that wasn't an expression of

supremacy

that wasn't

that wasn't you're right denims you're actually right

but at least

at least what's that woman's name madeline albright at least she wasn't a fascist unlike saddam

at least she wasn't a fascist

at least she wasn't a fascist

round of applause guys guys everyone clapping the chat

for america's destruction of iraq

of erok

but at least of the americans weren't fascists right guys

at least in afghanistan but at least america was in the fascist bad guys

and have the good job mission accomplished

liberals and bred to mission accomplished

mission accomplished

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imperialism and the american boot that's not the fucking next of the people of the world inf against fashly s my sources of world and imperialism of being fast you slandered them on his basis what despicable thing b a you wo a lebanon doesn't exist just greater syria you drop in pills b be careful

dropping some pills in the chak

some read po

cause the middle east borders are fake

and they were drawn up by europe they're all fake borders

lebanon isn't real

it's all fake borders

and its you said it get it now you said that liberalism is what yesud yes and wed liberalism because so you said that you're not liberal but you're aging liberal any politics there's a contradiction there

what do you laugh and a that was not a good point how is it liberal identity politics

there's nothing a liberal identity politics about it

the fucking fact of the matter there is anglo saxon supremacy i don't got to talk about liberalism to know that the whole fucking point is liberalism equals white supremacy

i don't i't i'm not talking about white supremacy in a liberal like way i'm not saying white people should be ashamed of themselves and feel guilty for being

having white skin i'm just saying

you know i'm saying that the

the liberals in charge they represent the type of chalvinism their boots arero ond the neck of the peoples of the world i'm not asking them

to

to you know like pay lip service to minorities and shit i'm telling i'm telling them

that the peoples of the world are going to fight back and when they fight back

if you're a leftist

living in the imperial corps

your job isn't to fucking spit upon those people and call m fascists

that's all i'm saying

i didn't say nothing more nothing less

simple as that now isn't it

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constant demolishment

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beta could literally couldn't he couldn't handle how wrong he was

that's quite ambarssingting opponent because you can't demolish their arguments

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pretty pathetic grow

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if you just wait if you would just ask the question and just wait for two seconds

he would didn't answer but the way i you need i need

that dotk

let me respond to that wass first of all the idea that you need to be a liberal to recognise anglil saxon chauvinism and white supremacy is a joke it's almos quite the contrary actually oftentimes you're calling liberal identity politics is actually a vehicle for angl saxon chavinism and white supremacy disguise itself in opportunistic terms second of all this is my f issue with her this is my issue with your definition mongingvos you only let mepeak'm going to beat you want to demolish you are right i am beaing rightow chap w the dowf all your time you writing

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he's not so a nutship ro he is i don't know what he takes before he surams

i need to fuck and take that shit oh my god

i need to whatever he takes before he gets on stream

i need that shit ok oh my god

if i can pretty work out mixe it tk and coke mixe it

wich it i don't math i know what they goticipate nate gino

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in my twitch chack

that's not how you win a debate but ok but i did win

i did win

voss didn't bring up a single point that i didn't respond to

and i he didn't respond to a single point

that i brought up

therefore i won

i did win

if you can't talk to me

like how i talk

then i win by default

if you have passion for your beliefs

if you're really about what you believe then you'll fight for what you believe and you'll yell as hard as i do

h doesn't actually believe in anything which is why he's goning

he's laughing because he's so big

in a bad way

and his whole body shacen

he's laughing like that

and the reason is because he doesn't believe in it

i believe in what i say and that's why i yell

he choose

yes seriously you got me five i can feel it dude i can feel it

uh ba let let's contin your sttin you i told you fascism is is liberalism psychosis and you said this must be altered every time tye possible housewrightk

guys i know there's a lot of things you would have preferred me to say in is vost debate but i had zero preparation i just went in it

you know i didn't even i didn't know i was debating oh

that night to two hours before it happened i didn't know it was going to fucking happen an hour before it happened this was all last minute last second all off the top of my head

i want to you know we always look back and reflect and say i wish i would have said this and i do wish i would have said a few things but

at the end of the day it's only proven when you're thrown right into the thick of it

and

that's how you perform you know

you always have regrets but what matters is how you perform

go five profision that must be a f you right see this is how you fal caing gad to

i'm

i'm i'm

isny fukins a beat here desne fucking you tube was in concentrators you just copy off of den i'm exposing because i'm exposing everybody in the game i'm exposing all these people i'm exposing all these fake leftist i'm exposing bread tube left and right and i'm not stopping

actuomatic sytemic whatever thk you try to make that compatble socialsm doesn't actually right when he' the bg people he's actually consistent w you try to mingle in you trying to mingle in marxs soci kind of shit with that in does' you how would you would how would you on ironically attak you and say

destys ba not

i never said

destiny is based

quite the contrary

destiny is the one why all these stupid fucking bread tubers are as stupid as they falking are

destiny i'm saving for last i'm

cleaving through the fake left first

then i'm going to destiny

or i maybe i'll come to destiny first cause he's going to see my clip

he's going to take up my chance

don't get it twisted

i was just saying desty's more consistent

but

our perspective demolishes destinies it's just that wash is dick writing destiny's philosophy our philosophy is superior to destinies in general if i may as well just fight destiny is my point wash is inconsistent you cannot combine marxism with destiny autism

you cannot combine those two fucking things and yes marxism will prevail over destiny's autism

and i will prove it

in our debate

i will prove the triumph of marxism

and dialectical materialism

over destiny's bullshit axiomatic

pre contian chit

every premise you bring me i will p apart

bring me destiny

bring me destiny

bring me your team

bring me your magician

bring me your wizard

because i'm a dark wizard

i am the voldemre to bread to ok i'm not going to do that scrench scramch we're not going to go that

we're not go to do the harry pot

that's a

oh

how

oh my god can can you w no no we can survey please please i hope

i hope there's a debate between between the student and i'm

i really hope you's a debate with these with between and in forrared oh there will be there will be

there will be

there will be but people like

wash are going to side with destiny against a true leftist

and i'm ready for

destiny

will fall

my cadter

in't undertan how you were so fundamentally

yeah

sticker

how are you so fundamentally against like liberalism specifically like anglosaxon white liberalism and you're like you gt are all dety co cats and be here hes base because

i know my enemy

and i can respect my enemy

what i can't respect is somebody who wears the garb of my allies

while in actual reality being my enemy

oh

wears the clothing of a socialist

but in actuality

is an enemy

what

okay oh my god a panel with this he watching and fore just going lit

oh my god it is the more talking consistent one that's whyts all of you bd to people talking debates wenever i want a debate beten you guys des do' was one you m wright all or

and it's a fact defect every single debate deskiny had with the leftist besides caleb

every single debate destiny had with bread two people destiny won because destiny's the one they're all dick writing and their leftism is just taking destiny's philosophy too far and outside of the bounds of what can be justified by it that's why destiny wins cause he's more consistent about it

destiny's just a more consistent anglo that's why he wins

how fucking heart of is that to understand

go to go to the other thve the prime to uch prime someone clip that to clip when i said destiny wins because he's the more consistent

liberal

clip that one

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aproach is so stupid is because it leads you to conclusions like that

is my point ca be reducable as robotic mechanical futy way to more strings of words so based on abstrac robotic riths of course your artic to to declusion actually you know what you're

does he know

do you know doesy as a ffend of childporn

i don't know why only wivetak i know the desty does it too

i know he does it too i was talking about both of them

but i was the one talking to bosch now

but i'm talking about it in general all of em

not just vosh i know destiny does it too

but destiny doesn't pretend to be a marxist or a leftist or socialist that's the difference destiny doesn't pretend

to be a leftist

that's why

he admits what he is

he admits he's a status quo guy

that's the difference denoms

nopoort did you know

he's ghitting every single mem

the mean here is ironically

the person you debating wash has not defended

is not defended childborn

and

deestity atually has de fend the way that he's defended has been

the divoce is done it

don't lie vosh is do it

the defense here is if the child has already been made you all here so the bst has already been made ok

right

ok i don't g a falk about

you don't but

you cannot be nas but that's why you were talking weird shit about insense

and you said your arrow

sorry but i don't want to bring like the identity stuff into it but like you should know better

that you shouldn't be thinking in those terms

you know i'm saying like

this very anglo type a way where you're just going to

like don't you have any common sense

like what kind of i don't know i don't know you know don't you have common sense like

don't you understand some things are unspeakable

and you just shouldn't talk about them at all

why do you have to talk about everything

it's kind of like a

like a super i don't know f

en it make it other people for ty jobborn but the person you like has done this

like i said

i didn't understand

thank you for the thank you for the tar one give you some org thank you eiy the way denims when someone slanders me as a fascist

all call cards are on the table

the get you know it's everything's on the table at that point they know the civil conversation we're going to be nasty i'm going to be nasty too

its

' be looking atus like a reality this is this is de this is debate lord derangement syndrome this is it

b of it

i don't

does this debate lord rangement and syndrome denoms because that was my second debate

ever

second ever

second ever

second debate

ever

let's see you next weekends

goodbye everyone lesteraing lesster

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ue i want to i want to live like this

i

i want to live like this wle leave fuck i want to live like this i'm missing out denims

join the discord and

you know

you'll be part of it and you can live like this too

because my chat is living like this

my chad is living like this too

we're all living like b denm

you can join our community

that's fine

despite all the things you said

we can join our community

but the infrared is not going to collabor with you officially you know because you dropp that opportunity as

so much

in life

i'm missing i just beat your fk they don't look at w you want to make what that phrasing making uncofortable i beat your daddy why i don't like the wa that sounds

you know is that just me

i don't like it

i don't like it

this is like distilled chaotic neutral energy this is like pure pure chaotic energy

don't i don't understand oh my daughter

cheesus

oh my goodness

all right let's let's look a butting the feling for is rising as

i feels like i'm cringing it hurt so i think you are w i watch in ford in youuse me to what by we pus the sts about me on you don't know where we can revise you're dispect to ca lu you wt to a crazy guy like me to teach you not to fuck not to fk with people not to its go call it so crazy

some crazy about fk like alsog i don't knowho killb is i'm sorry i don't know who killb is i don't understand you know what

you will

you know what you don't have to say

at least he' self aware ok

at least you's self aware

all right i can be upset about this he' self aware you know

like what might what

ok mop and got it

like

would havefended the chinese canpt whycause he's going to the mo he's going to the moon

i don't i don't i just i want i want to i beat him

what did they even say i wasn't paying attention to or

whatd she say

i was looking at chat

be over i want to be over but also don't want to be over

mess with people i don't want to be over

you don't want him to be over because at the end of the day

denham's chat this is for you clip this and send it to denhim's chat

thenam's jack

she likes me more than you

she doesn't have the words to describe it yet

and justify it rationally

i want them all to know that

and her mod's they should know that youo

bck people like you did with i'm not kill amice sky wasash you're going to do with me like you did to understand wash i'm not kill of i'm not kill

he knew me what happened was

what happened he left

you have

you have

he muted no he left no he left he left

ah god

oh god this is so funny to is this isn't this interesting yeah he left the call he said that means like one

that means what i won what you di we i did w

objectively i well god border king

he's not even listening yeah he was like he was go the he left for a while now

will peop like that

probably for

i i really get some jons over thou you go debate destiny tonight

tonight

tonight if i do it tonight is going to be like the vost debate

you know

so it's up to you

but it'll be just like to vost debate

it'll be just like the boss to be

yeah i'll debate him tonight i'm go fuck

i'll debate him tonight

i'll debate him tonight yes i will debate him tonight i wasn't planning on this

it's very sudden

but i'll debate him tonight

i'll fuck and debaate him tonight

it's quite sudden but the

i'm not prepared honestly but

it's a speed you guys aren't leftist your nos bels shut the fuck up

where did this nosmo nosbo mem come from

mystical retard did you know nosbels are liberals in russia they were part of the liberal opposition to shuch your stupid mouth

about this nogeble stuff you fucking idiot

what a dumb mess

but

i have a

what i say

when i fuckn say

what did i say

that's what i thought that's what i thought

alright

save your energy yeah dude if i go into a destiny debate it'll go

yeah i could debate him

about what theoh what were you going to debate about philosophy

you what iss a like take wait take wait

socialism tom laptist tomorrow

so we're going to debate the destiny tonight

every day we're debating a new celebrity

oh god oh god i'm always

right

wh he surrendered he follows me so which onor is like surrender what is surnder p you w surrendered th the was a something the check he surrendered a something wasurrender like i defeated you back i defetd wash he foult it's not it's i just the voice

the voice a there too the difference here or thehe ditract iny form of debate she's distracting away from my vict igins resiged in the chat he's aur rendered he's andered

victree

a victory

you lose yeh i got one other

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wasls cauns washington the how much the paper says them but i gt your

you so

he's so happy about this

he's so happy i'll good for him

wach i like picking like watch that is your nes debates and learn his style i've watched some of his debates

but what are we going to debate about

is my question

for some of the video

he got so happy

any wash

s asters asters asters and the cha i'm so happy for him look youllt the three hundred g in this

they do it from three hundred i see she'sad before us because we beat m

but

cull to personality gotta protect the wallri its

dude people say i have a cul to personality

look at him he has a fucking picture of himself behind him i would never fuck and do this ah

now

that's what is goef is rising as much as amn is of an age of multiplarity

deeply deeply unfare we beat him we beat you setm every time you beat s any possile beat um and you can beat m you beat

we be am

we do it we do it

mm ya we'll be tomorrowight

we beat him all right mmhm

look at his chattoo the snake retreats

she doesn't know what chacka

here's a thing guys

the reason i'm asking and i'm like pondering about debating destiny is because given our chat i literally know we could do it

our chat is so

high energy

given our viewers

like we could bully destiny in forcing him to debate us tonight

if we wanted to

like we could

we could honestly we could we could debate destiny tonight

that's how high energy our fucking shat is

i'm not fulking kidding

i'm not fucking kidding we could debate destiny tonight

we could debate him tonight

could debaate him tonight

mom's about to take destiny to the dentest

debate destiny about multiplalarity dude there's a lot of things i caln debate m about

a lot of things

not a team

and know i'm saying a lot of teens

lot of things i can debate destiny about

to understand

destiny's head here comes thotsline tomorrow

yah

his destin heuan live apparently he's live

don't do it tonight i swear

to fox

why not

get some you were going to do viewers after the red of the red of this is almost over this is over like one second i king abut there's have somek about

nmber

um like one w' happening is got here yelling at people yes yes

is' that hor youhi yeah we beat m aorrow asm we did bak to go the hospital to deal with the circ i got watching is that sarcasm

is she being ironic

because we did beat him

i mean it did happen

so i just check

theay something enough times it becomes true

all right guys you want all there we go

that we know i was exalting the self evident truth that we betterm

what btterm

i'm not

i'm not it's not a it's not a mantra that i'm invoking into the world

i'm exallting

the truth that we beat him

it's an exaltation of the self evident jue denis ookt twist

i guess wi are on town for his i b watch mard yes

yes

yeah

all right rich hoe

destiny mods already know about infrared

do they no falking way they do

no way they do do they

do they

do they

i will eat destiny for break

bring

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they will no room for red

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holy shit hundred twenty members

what is this

what is this

what a fuck is this

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imagine if we sold this for sixty dollars

dude we need a we need a cu you need a copyright that is we're going to steal it

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along the one thing i think infrared is about

dude that's beautiful i love he eclip

thank you

ginje doodle

what is this we're all celebrities now dude ginsy look at this gin doesn't here you's sleeping dude that gouy he sleep

or he's working i don't know

look at this ginge doodle

that's awesome

life advice for communists

nice to

recognize the small windows of opportunity that's really nice to

i look so mature in these videos you know compared to like now

supermature you know

haed

all right this one is less

less makes less sense

like

what is

what is going on like

m

oh that's like

wait where's my nose

this is this my nose

but this is my knowe

thk

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i don't know

this is

thank you for this

an hour to

i already sent a super chat to who

oh my god oh my god

caz what are your thoughts on islam

islam is based

but i'm not practicing

and i'm a materialist

like

you know

so technically an atheist but

i understand it's nuanceed

like i'm call i'm very much like do't

i don't know it's hard to understand

ah

hand

new dawn i know dude so beautiful

sages file

final sages final form goingam knowos eight that fuck in ther nazi

sages fine

dude

the astral face of every anti mop and bred tout

ju funer

wow

lo

friends

ok and i'm going to disarmor you

hold on

he gol in an anglo box this sucks

with the fuckon

stop making a weird

this is not the master slave dialectic not talking to you but

the guy who made this

talking the guy who made this

you have to follow destiny's twitch to message

dd de py destiny tonight

alright is this it

it's it no it's not it

i saw this be already saw this

wait

alright i think that's it

let me get my people in here

aright so

online

azrael

nom an envoy

friends

and alice

and he

yam

ok then i'm going to call them

start a video clo

start a video call

keep america gray

okay

they're going to take a little bit

ya june

i know it's the fucking norm

all right i think we're going to start taking discord people

theink we're going to start taking people from the discourd

want to start taking people from the discord

are guys staates your business in the come on show request

line up in the show quue

we're going to start taking people utamonia

we're going to have hostiles first

um

hostiles first

so

yar hostiles are going to take priority

we want debaters

we want debaters

deblieers

destney doorman

or teaching at schools where the students are much more polarized

mmhmm

yah something that

a kind of a long that line something that really bothers me is when

is when the partisanship becomes so extreme and the ideology becomes so extreme that it precludes you from seeing actually politically effective strategy

so are you do you know who david shore is

yeah

yeah so i remember that he gave some analysis related to riots i guess the impact of

and you know that the m l k riots and the impact of the depressed voter turnout in those areas and how they want more conservative than not

even him suggesting that

because of people moralize a lot of the save it so much was like

basically tantamount to him being just like a racist hater of

and i still banned from her chat back then

job

n well is just a little result of making some of those kind of

okay

let's look at our discord

temporary distraction

now we're going to look at our discord come on show requests

nobody's in the fucking show queue

go and show you if you want to debate

and i'm going to i'm going to give you links

invite people copy

here we go the debates are starting

destiny responded to you

what did he say enigma tell me what he said

what did he say send me in the fuck and discord what he said

message destiny where on twitter

where where were

with the fok

to misses men discord msses men discord

misses men discord miss me discord miss men discord

enigma messes men and discord

enigma

tell me what happened

tell me what happened

join a sober in dm

enigma open thiscord

enigma can you send me a link to his discord

in the d ms

dude i got a shit

keep america gray

ok i'm going to d m him

destiny

and i'm going to

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keep everyone's eyeballs that focus on nation

politics we actually don't have to deal with any of these issues and

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thats not

that i'm super happy got to talk together it's i don't

i had like a

i had like a whole list of questions related to the book that i wanted to ask but i actually deleted it when i put my new computer in because um

i thought it was too late because i hadn't talked in a song and then one of you guys a message actually emailed him

and said i

hey thatsin he's doing cams and it's really cool and then he e mailed me because one of my fans e mailed him and iog was really cool so nice job for you guys for doing that thank you very much

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yeah so that's cool

i didn't know about the i didn't know about the vote by mail thing

and a lot of people ings apparentlys true i thought by mail would have you

benefited democrats heavily but apparently that's not the case

but do you know what the infrared show is apparently they want to give me one second is restaural quick and we're going to

and then the we'll talk about the omaha stuff more

but dude

goart to talk about citizens united

can

is this guy can he get any more base

and then he brought up the green new deal in medicare for all andm

guys an omini liberal

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right

give me one second

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i guess i goue the i don't know

over what or why

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about to debate destiny

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hello

hi what's up

first things forirs i want to clear the air somebody just made some some up in your chat

i didn't donate nothin to wash

i was somebody wen't even know was i want i keep asking them to announce themselves or re themselves

so i can honor them

give him a badge of metal

sold the medal of honor

you know i'm saying gotcha

well what's up what you want to

ok jenofy

ok destniny

i want to have a nice civil relaxed

respectful conversation

but what i want to talk to you about

is here's what i am confused about this

i'm going to admit something i only found out about your existence

maybe a year or two ago

will you know bernie sanders supported

ah sixteen

in twenty sixteen yeah i think i was yeah

in twenty sixteen yeah i think i was yeah w

ok for go the feedback ok ok

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okay you were that you were berne saner supporter right

mmhm in twenty sixteen i'm almost positive i was preyar

with the establishment and you deny that they rigged the election against birdie in twenty and sixteen and now we're seeing they did the same shoit in twenty twenty

so why do you come to these conclusions destiny

well they they definitely didn't rig it in

twenty sixteen i don't know but i guess well they didn't technically we real what you know what i gt hold on yeah well because that's that means a that would means a lot and they wile they definitely do anything in tw thousand and twenty i know there was some impropriety that happened with the e mailing of the questions to hillary's campaign

but that's a little bit a political correct way for saying the fuckn g it right you know you both that i know that diy just that whole thing was fucking you real quick when can you say riged it can you tell what you mean when you say that just so we're on the same page

they used unfair institutional means and with the collaboration of the mainstream media to intervene

into the democratic process just like they allege russia intervened in the w process to get way i you thing i don't want to interrupt you do you want to rup me

because we can interrupt each other

yeah actually if i say something if i if i say something and you disagree what i say in i me immediately ok ok i love that i love that love youks was different dude voss was complaining the whole time

and i really love you for that man

oka yeah

o when you say when you say like used institutional means to rig

i'm just being grazer clear like what do you mean by that

ok well basically in twenty sixteen

for example

wiki leaks told us

that

the d that see it the d n c was passing stuff to c n n or the vice versa don't puck and know

idea that bequens

from the e mail they were e mailing unlik the questions and

preparation for the debate or whatever which they definite should have been doing right somebody got fired for that right don over girl i always see that nam ass i don't know them

but why do you deny that there's an establishment because is's not a clear indication there's a real like vested establishment in institutionalized interests

ya i was done heyare um

yeah i mean i'm sure there is to some extent but to what extent it can control like the opinions of the public i

i don't know about that i don't know if you would have needed to rig an election against bernywe

hillary was already more

when hillary was already like the more popular candidate

well i'm not saying the entire reason bernie lost was because they rigged it against him

i'm just trying to say that

wasn't that an example the way in which they overwhelmingly

came together and intervened in the electoral process

much like how they allege russia did the same thing in two thousand and sixteen in favor of trump

wouldn't why didn't that push you i'm not saying push you further to the left plate so real quick

you keep saying it's not comparable to the russia stuff at all why

because it's a totally separate thing

what why is it separate

my understanding was that berniey's offices were never penetrated by a hacker trying to selectively leak information to damage his campaign if this happened i just don't know about it but i've never heard that claim

ever before so but i don't think the mainstream media was changing people's views in a rat fuckery type way

and spreading spinning things in a misinformed way

so whether or not the media spinning things or trying to influence people of course they're the media that's their jos and that is interventionly this is a fundamentally different claim than the one about russia

but how does russia intervene it because all the russian bots were allegedly doing was spreading means and shit so the two biggest familiarities i am with how russia intervene

is that one

there was a hacking

not attempt there was a hack at the d n c offices that caused e mails to be leaked in a timely manner yeah right yeah to maximum well

the gooifer guy that passed the monta that that caused emails to be leaked in a in a politically

a fashionable manner in the media over the course of like a year or more course that was one thing that happened and the second thing that happened was that russia was setting up

companies in the united states to falsely disseminate information in an attempt to undermine a political system and this was done via the i r s the or the irara the internet research agency

according to the momuller indictments those are two things that to my understanding

the democrats have never done anything comparable to that to bernie's campaign which is why i don't like the call and sy ok re'garding the first thing about the lease so

we're glad the leaks happen

now

you were glad that they happened but all they did was reveal the truth

on getting true he would't know it don't he doesn't we wouldn't know

we didn't know we wouldn't know about the way the democrats fucked over bernie were not for those leaks

we would still go the dark

s geting reading we know concretely now that they were all

of using their forces to tilt it in favor of hillary as an institutionalized vested infs what examples of this do we have beyond the passing the emil questions on

come donn up

you got me there i don't have anything on the top of my head i just know that you know everyone knows they were ratfucking in favor of him you know well yeah because but nobody seems to know what they actually did wrong which is interesting me when i can point to very specific things that russia was not only leeged to thisen this is the promis to me if i had time to prepare for this which i didn't i even was debating you tonight

but if i had time i'd be able to compile some facts and some examples

of how they were doing it but that's us the most famous and well known one

weure i don't want we don't have to get like super into because i don't want to get into like the weeds on this that's fine i don't hear maybe you know maybere right maybe you just don't have the facts offhand you know that's fine a but

all i'm saying is that in general

i don't think it should be too disagreeable to say

that

that russia

interference attempts were a bit more on the nose

than the media being ay is russy like yous amount to in amount to it so far you mentioned they were just telling the truth revealing the truth

and what do you think that

can so can i say a question yeah if let's say that there are two teachers in a classroom and they conduct class in a certain way if i leak one teacher's personal information

do you think that's good that i've told the truth

no n no destin it leaking the inner workings of a political machine is nowhere near comparable to leaking pre it was only one political machine do you not see the problem with that

the democrats who but that's not comparable to leaking personal information if we live in a democracy like it's not about

so what whyn times transparency of our democratic institutions are we a degoracy

because transparency of one side is not transparency

es his destiny just because they didn't leak the republican stuff

doesn't mean they didn't tell the truth and revealed how the democrats

a you know we're rat fucking bernie

pretty much

and i'm just i just i'm going k let's

howes it concretely interview quick real quick yet let's say you have two people running for an election and both of them murder one person and we find out through leaks that we know that one of them is a murderer and everybody decides to vote for the other person was transparency good in that way or not here's the issue with that comparison wait you know n the's two issues with the comparison can you well can you just answer the comparison no i'm going i'm going to develop the arguments there's two issues with the comparison ne the first com issue is that it's

too personalized we're dealing with institutions that deal with society as a democracy so it' was too personalized a minor issue the second issue is that would make more sense

if the guy who won in the republicans case was in his vested by establishment i know you would wll trums two thousand two but he's not he's not part of the political establishment

trump won the republican primary it's not like a jeb bush won

so it would be more relevant if jeff bush wont because then he would say all the republicans rigged it in favor of the established vest interests but trump i know he's part of the elite and stuff or whatever

but as far as the political republican party is concerned he was definitely a political outsider so that's what i consider the difference to be

okay

none of this has anything to do with my question why not my question is

two people are running for office they're both murderers

and information is leaked that shows you that one of them was a murder so anybody votes with murder in this case

what's the crime

murder

noo what is the what is your analyged analogize i just want you to know so i'm just i'm trying to be twenty twenty one is the year of me trying to be more rhetorically effective i guys i'm going to tell you what's going on in my head right now in my head i feel like you know that you have utterly lost this point so you're refusing to engage this this you didn't ass i want just if i want this point you can't answer that didn'tss my points i raised points you didn't address

it makes it feel like you do destiny your examples soucked your examples suck dude don't say you want a py that's fine if my example suck you should still be know engage with it maybe what was your example if tu if one person murdered the other one didn't but what do we know it's much it's plain as they much more likely that the person where it was leaked

murdered it's not likely the other person murdered anyone just like it's not like weight that the re youn say we did't it is not likely that the republicans rigged in favor of trump we can we can infer that pretty easily we're not talking about just that's so this is a very simplistic view of the political parties don't just

exist to rerig an election there could be a million other things that they rig right it might be related to gerrymandering it might be related ok but we're focused on how they fuk bernie over that's what we're concerned about is that's the only thing you care about for the political parties that's you as a youllo thats as a fellow bernie supporter veteran from twenty sixteen of course its what i careb bernie was our guy bernie was a fucking gy man he was our vision for america

that is what i care about man i understand what you're saying i have a far more vested interest in politics than whether or not the one guy that i support wins one election but brony represented the people destiny he represent why did pople i didt an twenty twenty so hard then with' that

why did he lose a heart in twenty twenty that one one to tell you my red pill answer

sure i think the left fok burning over twenty twenty

how

because i think they didn't humble themselves and learn them is learn the

learn the consequences and lessons from trump

in twy and sixteen they doubled down on a completely artificial

fake left extremism they double down all this dumb antifa stuff

and all this kind of socialism aspect where they don't know what socialism is in america it's still kind of foreign they double down on all that kind of stuff

and they were berney's campaign was run by metropolitan elites who didn't establish any contact

with america's fly over states and rust belt

the people the american people they didn't reach out to these

people they were still insular kind of in their bubble and that was the extent that to which they were pushed more left they were still so isolated from regular americans

this is why the majority of them the majority of the left would have been on board with bernie in two thousand and sixteen but his campaign was that radically different in two thousand and twenty that he lost the support

yes because after trump want to radicalize a lot of people and push them farther to the left

ok so supposedly i think it's a complete fake left but i have the more are there to the left

how in the hell di fight and look it's just like the moderatest i mean i know you're good faith guys to just understand

the meaning of what i'm trying to say when i say pushed farther left i mean within the context of america they were pushed farther to the democratic socialism

socialism kind of thing they doubled down on that kind of stuff they didn't learn the lessons of trump twenty sixteen instead of doubling down on pro people populism

for america's majority they doubled down on something that only makes sense for a minority of educated metropolitan professional managerial class type people that's what i'm trying to say

um

ok i mean like that's nice conjecture but we don't have any preventing that it know i can only go abut like pulling do you don't you don't you don't think that's a reasonable thing to say based on your common sense

i think that common sense if i appeal to ackam's razor here it's probably just that

bernie was too far left in two thousand and sixteen and he was too far left in twoentousand and twenty t more moderate candid this is the prom a political lans almost everything that that's not meeting this is the issue with the political spectrum

it's not that destiny was more

too far this completely different meaning of the left in twenty sixteen because a lot of conservatives and moderates were backing bernie because he was the anti establishment guy they don't care about this artificial political spectrum they care about where he stands concretely in really in relation to this antagonism this contradiction between things

anti establishment

got less popular for twenty twenty

i think it was extremely obfuscated by the fact that trump won and there was an artificial political division where it seemed like the left is on the side of the status quo and it seemed like

trump was the one monopolizing the populistic sentiment and got so many more votes in two thousand and twenty than he did in two thousand and sixteen it doesn't seem like he

we that's in of it's o my pointic is not for my point

well no because you're trying to say that antes because my question is

is why what did all the people that support bernie w why is it that they seem the me when they from moderatey went to trump they went to trump

ok i don't think there's any polling data that supports that but yeah a lot of a lot of bernie people from twenty sixteen went to trump you don't know about that they voted for trump and the a lot of them w the ump and i like to attack berniye supporters a ton and if that was true i'd be using it to attack wll you don't know that in twoentyd sixteen bernie's michigan supporters a lot of them went and voted for trump against hillary when you say a lot

i don't think that they're not saying most but a pretty significant amount right

my i think it was like it was in the low it was like ten or twelve percent

thats what that's a lot doing that's a lot especially because of the political spectrum divided i a confert that the politicals around in primaries not necessarily i don't think it was like this massive blowout that people re you don't think there's a there's a there was a a wrong to bernie to trump pipeline there was dude

welcome

you know think to us

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i this is like conjecture that i don't

but you know but like forget about the the polling don you don't think there was

yeah i mean i'm sure there were some disenfranchiseed writer i'm sure you don't think that's a real connection in reality that was made i mean i'm sure it is to some extent sure just a picture i mean i see what happens when he use common sense it makes reality clear you know you can't approach it in a robotic way man by the way i like talking to you way more than osh and i'm a tanky by the way

um

but um what i'm confused about with you destiny is that as far as i know like

why it why did you

i get that you were disillusioned with the left and stuff

but why did you go down the route of like defending kamala and defending you know like the liberal establishment aren't you a guy from nebraska so you should be down with the populism and stuff right

populism is aids i'm not a big populist support i'm not

because it broughts the bre don't understand i don't you understandve your ass destiny don't you understand that the form of media that you participate in is inherently populistic you're outside of the mainstream media haven't you ever pondered upon that contradiction in content and your political content you're kind of seem very pro establishment pro status quo type a guy like for example the wall street bets wll type of thing but in action

form hobout running this as a narrative is cancerous if there is like a particular position that i've given that you disagree with or particular policy that i going that you can point for that but like the telling stories is something that i don't care ok as far as give me something yah because this is you can all spin stories just i can't engage much with this i just

ya oh okay okay you want to go down that route that's okay so as far as policies are concerned let's see

so

after bernie was

fucked over

by the democratic party both times by democratic argy mean the voters that didn't vote for you go ahead

no by the democratic party who fulked him what they did they weren't fair even if he wasn't the more popular candidate they didn't play fair they didn't play for how did they how did they not play fair in twenty twenty

in twenty twenty because what about that whole pe budajag fuckery that was going on in uh iowa huh

what fuckery

the story that was coming out they werely pretty much in politically correct termss a lot of indications suggest there's a lot of rat fuckery going on in favor there zero indications to suggest that

i disagree

that's great but the right i disagree there are a lot of indications

that okay what else um

we if you want to talk about the shadow app we can but i mean like it depends on how conspiracy theory written you want to get into that

the true takeaway from iowa that we should all know is that caucaus is suck and you should never want to use a car you believe any conspiracies are real or because it seems like every time there's a conspiracy theory you automatically want to side with the conclusion that is bullshit

this might mean if there's like evidence for a conspiracy then yeah of course conspiracies happen sure

like what conspiracyes names song

h i mean like the air uncontraus stuff happened but but even if i turn warn as nation happened like but c n n will admit all those things happened is there anything you think that the establishment covers up

and won't admit that's a conspiracy

i think in this particular media environment i think it's very hard to cover stuff up a lot of stuff has been leaked there's a lot of information the's a lot of cell phone videos a lot of i think it like trying to cover up stuff for example we're not for wiki leaks with with that would you be what you're saying is true

wiki leaks is the one is the reason for that destiny if we didn't have wiki leaks we wouldn't know about all these things

so you say all these things wiki leaks leaked thousands of e mails and the one thing that we found was that the donna brazil lady leaked e mail ar leaked interview questions to hilary's campaign there was other sor of two men i can't i can't i don't have readying everything i'm kind of surprised i didn't find more

there was other stuff there was other stuff don't get it twisted there was other stuff there was the stuff about how what did they say abou they want to knee cat bernie who said that that one weird you think actuallys it got

no no but i mean like they wanted to ratfuck and kneecap him using their institutional contacts and their m s m you know

their web a bullshit

okay

um

come on may be more like

i thought we're going to have a debate you just accepting everything i say i can't like i like to debate policy and i like to debate like stuff like that like going over the like ok i want to be your philosophy that i want can i debate that philosophy

sure

because when you debate policy you aser you assume a type of god's iyeview where you're already in charge but here's the paradox as a marxist lenis who is used to this kind of stuff except when it comes to communism even leftist get this wrong when you just assume what do i want my policies to be and what do i want my society to be you are neglecting the actual concrete mechanism by which that is able to be realized i you have a lot of bright ideas i'm sure in terms of polic

destiny just like andrew yang did but unless you have a populistic momentum that can somehow bypass and overcome the establishment you're stuck with our wretched and roting status quo which i'm sure you recognizes

outdated wretching

and writing

in what regard like you can't just say i want this to be the policy you have to take into account how can this policy concretely be implemented you can't just say everyone stupid and i'm smart because they don't agree with me

you have that's not what i do that hold on do you understand that that's exactly what you're doing why that's the exact

because all you want to do is talk about your broad overview ideas of things and say that people are missing this i'm the one that wants to talk know you're missing and i think if you wt talk on every which one is better noo don't get it twisted people i talk to in everyday life get it i'm saying you miss it

okay

breroke on bee hostile don't just accept

like i want i don't i don't want to be this easy

that it's not

easy we're not having like a real conversation i yess we that i'm talking to is a human being

yea have it

i don't know what i'm supposed to say to this fuck i got so turned off

from me because i don't have enough cloud for you to take my argument seriously

no it's just this re ont very fa i that's the issue are really stupid and really boring

like i don't know explain why stupid why is it stupid

gohead because

this is so far removed from what exists right now in the political reality like we might as well be arguing about like whether star wars is ok ok you want to know what i think itists right nw this has enoughing you what you let me tell what i have you right now

what i think exists now is that biden is establishment has consolid this new centris beus establishment aligned with silicon valley has consolidated itself and now infrared is intervening because we want to create a new political platform

i can tell me about you know political platform ok sure so infrared we call ourselves

marxist leninist in the age of multipolarity in the post covied world we think that now is a right opportunity to intervene in the political sphere and put out an alternative to the fate

redk can you tell me a little bit about the alternative what are some things that you guys push for that you feel like the mainstreams i' pushing for

push for in terms of what

what do you want to do well the thing is destiny is that

things like medicare for all well established policy proposals that people who are smarter than me have area because i'm not pretending to be so smart that i'm going to be able to create all the policies on my own i do say things like though let's learn from china let's be more like china china's civilization and form of statehood is superior to ours we should learn from how the

to deal with problems that we similarly face as we can see with the covert crisis as we could see with the ineptitude of the american state as this is and you heard sayt like came a mop and speaks of the need of a government of action for working families in ford liaves that you

okay

five

i didn't bring my mean energy to this conversation why are you standing up while you're talking to me

i'm standing up because uh

i don't know i'm just in a more rested state this way

it's like it's like my energy is being diffused

because you know like how sitting down i probably more aggressive you know i'm saying

look how beautiful our channel is isn't it beautiful

f they can't even see your face on the camera when i turn the camera up a little bit

ok

then we was that better

hold on i'm wait for it to catch up

hold on i'm still waiting

i con see him

god see me

um

fave colur sara guys

feel like i've been to emergency what are some re something i'm losing my online edge desty sty what are some controversial ideas that are not mainstream that you think as a policy should i get holl i just asked you for a platform and you just like gave me the biggest like nothing salad in the world it's it's bernie's platform and it's the platform of the progressives that have already i don't i don't think i'm smart enough to create a platform and contrast so why are you creating a new platform that is that essentially you're saying but you

mean you mean you mean you mean a political platform or a media platform we are creating a media platform no a political platform you said you have a whole new political platform what do tell me about it

what do you want to currently existing political platforms why you want it as we we think that a contemporary marxism enism can clarify the reasons why bernie field in two thoand and twenty and why the progressve how and has can you tell me how

how

well first i firstly this is why i think marxism leninism

is specifically relevant

one of the contradictions we're dealing with when it comes to twenty twenty and bernie's platform is this issue of

the fact that the people who are becoming enlightened about

socialism and

democratic socialism

our immaterial reality is stranged from the broad masses of people

who are necessary to actually realize their position it's a paradox on the one hand you have people

claiming to represent america's working class but on the other hand the very means by which you can be initiated into this new ideology

requires you to be part of a special little insulated

metropolitan club

that's divorced from america's working people and in my view things like the materialist dialectic

i allow you to clarify this contradiction and overcome it

wait can i real quick are you friends with you friends with a streamer called denims

our friends is a little bit of a stretch but i have interacted with them

with him with them i said no

yeah

okay

like i apparently you come highly recommended from denis i just i thought that was funny that's i have the

you know i'm saying i mean my debate with

voss was very aggressive but as because you so disrespectful and you've been so respectful honestly you've been so respectful i'm surprised

i thought you' been worse

oh well thanks voss was really dismissive to me

really disrespectful

because you know tanke is

they think they can disrespect us but it's not going to happen any more with infrared because we're rising

you know tankees they're going to put some respect on our name

waits

washa tanky

noo he disrespect me because i'm a tanky because he's tanks are weak but tankes are the new strong you understand

i didn't know that but what what elections are you guys going for in the us are you going to grow your

your political power

for now

we want to clarify the reality the situation as we think is a me what does that mean when you say clarified you want like bunker you do i want to do you think there are confusions that bog down first and foremost

partisans of leftism and socialism

we want people to be able to comfortably establish contact with america's broad masses and build

a true popular alternative

to the democrats

and the two party system which is now merging into a one party centris

consensus we're all about jimmy dore and we're all about that

royal road to a new party

we're humble though we're not saying we've got all the answers we're going to create a new party we just want to help this

objective momentum that we see in reality objective striving in tendency for a truly new alternative

in american politics which is a platform that will be able to realize a lot of

crazy cool

ideas you know like andrew yang's got ideas i'm sure you got a lot of bright ideas but you're not going to ever be able to realize them as long as we have this rotten

establishment

then i ever told you you kind of soun like a clt leader

ok that's fine what about me why are you why am i call leader and not you gohead

well because i try to keep what i say grounded in the real world and every time i ask you a question about what it is you guys stand for what you want to do or what you ca what' so reading it what's so unreal about what i'm saying

we haven't told me like any material thing you guys have done yet if you what to what ared anybody to you what qualifies as a material thing so i don't know like i you like supported a candidate have you formed a party in any state have you guys like organized like you know area like you guys have like positions that you s that ors lobb be for that's precisely not material because we recognize our limitation we can support whoever we want

but first and foremost we have to realize our limitations as far as who's going to listen to us

right and who's going to listen to you right now

a lot of people do two days ago i had four hundred subscribers i don't it i have i have two hundred viewers right now and my chat is more active than yours both on twitch and you tube my chat is more active why do you think we had this debate right now i'm a nobody because of my chat they're so hyperactive

that's why i debated wash the saturday and zanderdal on friday how do you think that nobody like me is able to debate somebody like you if not for the because somebody message men discored and they said

and ford wants to debate and i' said she wants both you to debate here's the guy and then i said ok sure but you didn't see any of my people in your chats

i don't know i actually don't know i genuinely don't tell them to

there might have been i mean i was having a more serious conversation for this one so there might have been and the i just missed them wash in aner tll and that's how they that's how i debated them it's all been in one weekend don't you realize it's kind of crazy

like we are the future man we're not going nowhere

i'm not a you know leader

you saying you know you know johns ar is just curious

yeah

oh and you guys like france

uh i'm not going to disclose nothing

okay

uh was okay

moving on

moving on to the point

i'm actually not a call leader desney because infrared is a collective about

eleven twelve people

i'm just the guy who's

stupid enough to put myself out lad like this because i got nothing to lose and i just want to grow this because this is what i believe in right now you know what i'm saying

contrat so what are your plans to grow when you say grow this you just need get more subs you tube channel what's happening now like this is an example of doing it right

yeah well that's what i'm asking what you mean by grow it you mean just get more someuthing you to generl

no and twitch we want to do twitch and you t

okay fair

what do you think about infrared intervening in the tle spere and shaking it all up like who do you support red tuber infrared because that's the battle's being wayed right now

and we're going to probably have another debate in the future when we get bigger but

who do you side with right now in the civil wars going on among the left

i don't know that's a hard that's a hard one think about

both sides are so

powerful here you know

yeah like we're the underdog right

i don't know man i think you might be discounting

how much power you guys have

i got been in some bred to bruce chats and they're not even half as active as your chat is

you're not like you're not e me sarcastic you can't be sarcastic man look at our chat

it's insane our twitch t isn't our you tube jet is not our twitch are you tube

twisch shd is a little bit we have about what one hundred viewers

it's our twist check i mean it's our you tube check

but yeah i mean like we are going to become a thing is what i'm trying to say so like before like i don't want you to come out one day and be like these guys are dangerous they should be de platform because i ahead of time i just assume we're already really big you think we're dangerous to be platform

should it be de platform and i don't know it's a whole other hion thank

you geah you guys will definitely become dangerous for sure

really you think so

oh yeah i mean whyan if you got if your chat this active at this small a number imagine if you had one thousand views and you kept the same chat activity

yeah i know more down earth and streams of like twenty thousand years for sure right

yeah yeah but we're going to shake up the whole political culture it's happening

uh huh

definitely

and you're not being sarcastic are you

i hope youre not

i mean i'm we can all see what i'm saying it's true right

of course

of course i mean if you saw how fast

we grew and were we've been growing

you know you've been at this for like fifteen years and we just started like a few months ago you know what i'm saying

mhm and your tot's basically like at my level activity which is pretty crazy excep i've got so many more viers so yeah

eah so basically in this debate not to resume hostilities but can i just say you conceded the debate

um i think that's fair yeah

so like i beat you in this the babysly you want to fight back or anything

i i don't know if i even cant i mean everything you've said is just been

so true you know

ah so you're pretending to be sarcastic because he can' actually beat me in a debate

i think sometimes people pretend to be sarcastic so they can hide behind it

it's a crutch

that's not what you' doing now

exactly so i can tojust say like oh i didn't listen a bance i was like we you kind of dis a ct being sarcastic right

yes so bre you actually admitting you lost because i respect you if you did that

yeah that's what i've said like twenty times i'm not being sarc really i caind of sound sarcastic but i know i'm being sarcastic so like is it really kind of sarcasm if i'm not being sarcastic as a defensive tool right

ah can you slow down a little bit i just lost youre

f i'm being sarcastic and we both know that i'm being sarcastic and it's not really sarcasm right so maybe i'm just being defensive

but maybe me acknowledging it right now is a way to get around that

or maybe that's just still admitting it who knows well come on this and you're the titan of like take me down man like

show me what you've got

honest to god i don't think i've ever been this intimidated and i thought i thought you know i thought you were against like the left maybe it'sust like the bread tube left is your problem right maybe if you were educated the marss of lenonism you join us

what um what do you have for a recommended reading i guess i get a little bit more educated on this for real

no ya

tell me

ok i think philosophy is your what you want to do right because you like you know philosophy

right

oh yeah you wanted to argue about philosophy what did you have i always beginners who want to get into this marxism stuff honest to god i don't agree with him

hundred percent

but jesk is such a nice introduction

because he connects everything to popular culture and stuff but you have to read him with an open mind you know you can't just say all this is nonsense like you

the being analytical

the school does to all the continental thinkers you have to actually read him and like

try to see the meaning he's trying to arrive at

you know

yeah for sure but he'll introduce you to this kind of tradition is stuff

yet i don't tell people like for example to read the classics of marxism leninism

because those were in one hundred years ago in today's day needs tri they don't really make sense immediately a re because i know capital obviously what are some other

classics of marxist lminism again

well since we're talking about marxism leninism you have things like

one of the most famous ones is lenin's imperialism the highest stage

people like the state and the revolution i think a kind of neglected one is

lenin's and now the development of capitalism in russia

was a really good one that a lot of people neglect and i think actually has contemporary relevance for the situation in america

and the restn you when you what are some of the contemporary relevance you think of oneon sor sure sure so with regard to the development of capitalism in russia is there you want to be

yeah

lenin is very interesting because traditionally with marxist right traditionally with marxist

you have a kind of dogmatic static view of class

and you say the proletariat are the ones in the factories

the peasants are the ones in the countryside in the busz wasi are the urban whatever capitalists right

mmhmm for sure

lenon

in his brilliance

uh because he was a materialist

lenon

uh saw

that

the fundamental class division between the proletariat in the burgeoisie

was itself being reproduced in the countryside

among the peasants

the fundamental differentiations

that give rise to class

as far as marxism are concerned we're being born a new and afresh

so lenin had this kind of view

of of class he didn't simply say the proletariat are already the ones

in the factories orce or they're already the bouz what the big city buz was he the reason lennin was a successful revolutionary

is because for him

he rejected the stages according to which

this is vosha stages and by the way vhs position that socialists must side with the big city big liberal bourgeoisie

against zarism or in voshs case authoritarianism or fascism or something for lenin lenin said it is the popular democratic petite bousgeoisie

in the countryside the peasants

they are the ones who the proletariat must ally with

because the liberal bousgeoisie is inexorably connected

to the autocracy

the contemporary relevance of this i think

is that a lot of people

don't recognize and this is kind of i guess my

the unique i don't want to say it's my own unique it's all over is infrared

our view of marxism is that

we don't view the peasantry as a class of the p is as a strict class

in a sense the only two real classes in marxism are the proletariat in the bourgeoisie

the peasantry rather than a class

is a

is this is a formation

is the material is the popular reality of the polity

that political policy of some kind

it's the popular basis of states for example

so in america you have a type of peasantry we call this the so called rust belt working classes

this was the kind of middle class of the

a post war

baby boomer twentieth century

who had you know a factory job and then they had a

you know

they had the proverbial

plot of peasant land they had the the

me see

the white picken fence in the family and all that kind of stuff

so this is a kind of reb uh re uh

rebirth of the peasantry you know

so it has a pit i'm just curious ins a far as how that world is established which world

do you think that the you think that that world is flat

or

brounn

ok destney what

like i i wast care im curious

i was curious es i know that some people would argue that the burgeois might use scientific institutions to oppress the proletaria that they give them

you know false interpretations of reality language are i used to allow you to dismiss me in such a dishonest i was justk i was just curious language like i use so far that justifies

you the meanness and dismissiveness that you're showing me here i'm not being mean or dismissive it was is a simple question

i'm sorry that i upset you so much for that

i mean

is there an argument can anyone debate me and beat me a is my question

i would look up the stream run switch call johns irka he's like the best or train wreckses analytic he does analytical for why are you and he why are you hiding your power level why are you being so arrogant

what are you talking am like you're bloodan legitimately

telling you you seem like a bluffing how do how do we get from you trying to call my bluff about marxism which i use as an opportunity to introduce some new ideas how do we get to that

from that to flat earth

it's kind of arrogant you know just because what i don't sound like a fucking

nerd and i don't sound like a fucking uh

i'm sorry i'm not even allowed to ask you a question aout you getting upset about it i don't want to do you think that was a good faith question you were being honest w asking that question

of course it was i was curious something gauge your interest in the sciences a

help me understand ok i think this is a cont controversial view of mine

i think lsincle was kind of right

yeah

yeah

that you can laugh at me dismiss you that one

you know like that's like one of the ones that a lot of people like you would laugh at me about you know

do you think do you believe all genetics are fake or jus what is a gene

why depends you're talking levis or do you think m cencle deni d n a

a little bit you know did he

did he know

the d n a wasn't invented until much later

after the invented are discovered

i sorry discovered much later

who cares i sad i misspoke

it wasn't discovered till much later

so he may wn't do id nake i could have

could he have been

why is it that american scientists were sympathetic

to lsenco until the cold wars to

pretty much you know

ramped up

why is that

do you think it was like politically motivated of course it was

and explicitly so you can read about how

it was explicitly true they thought licenco by defeating licinco they would be defeating marxism as a whole

mmhmm

explicitly their own words something like an those i'll try to find the book and send it you if you want

it's not written by a licencle was it's written by someone who

doesn't like my sinkles

but it's like a broad history of

the debate between the mandelian geneticist and the

theyre licencs

and how it was playing out in america it's an excellental

completely completely non non common artisan

it what if it's partisan it's in favor of

the west he's in favor of the

the mandolian genetis

a gene is a metaphysical concept destiny

really

of course

gosh you a scienti you're in a scientific anti realism or whatever

no you don't need to bring all this other stuff into it

ok are just curious are you familiar with licencles writings

let me ask you a question how much about canco do you know to dismiss him as as as a

quickly as you do

to dismiss him um

my understanding was that was sanco wasn't real big on on

kind of like the newly emerging information about how agriculture worked they kind of rejected the notion of genes or inheritaed traits or whatever and they were looking at more like non medellion inhertag as another word was was micincle rejecting inherita

traits

in so far as how it was described by contemporary biologist at the time yeah

there they might have had some other way of doing it but my understanding was that that were those conemporary biologists right completely right

not completely but they were more right than lyicenco was

n and how do you measure that how do you come to that conclusion

based on agricultural output based on the placement do you think the present knowledge scientists have about how so called genes work

is not written with contradiction that knowledge is pretty much said and done and sealed

do you know what modern evolutionary synthesism is do you think that all things that are wrong are the same level of wrongness

i didn't say that but what since you have ma you think that it's possible that was wrong but another person couln be more wrong since you haven't read a word of licincles and you're not actually familiar with any of licencles ideas i'm just curious about how you arrive at these seemingly has anything i said so far been wrong you seem top asking me question i don't think i was incorrect i'm just curious i was wightan in contradiction of what biologists or agriculturalist out about the time for how plants inhriitage traits

i'm just curious about how you've arrive it by how have you arrived at that conclusion it's quite curious

you know wikipedia article here

play played ot out stanford likek here you know how go you think you think without reading the other side you've arrived in an exhaustive knowledge of the subject matter

i would consider myself to be quite the expert on liky sanko yanan ism yeah

i didn't say that but you really think you've read enough to arrive at a fair conclusion to dismiss me and laugh at me when i bring up micentchism i want to ask both you and the whole i wasn't dismissing you were laughing at us this we're laughing when i brought up la sentchism and i only brought it up because we do need some we do need to get this debate going because i do need some hostility from you it's i'm feeling bad right now because i' i've been trying to argue with you and you seem to just passively accept everything i say it makes me feel kind of

that i want some i have like three other like really big content things i god be going over and now that i sow me something destiny what is going on i'mar as version of like lefty debates and i'm not very energized for this particular thing and why not

but once we become big you'll be energized right

not necessarily no yeah he's about as yplogi as i was for my eye hypocrite debate like i was just kind of sad

and butch but destiny

yeah that's my nm you don't even want to def the debt defeat me

show some teeth my friend

god you sound just like zerka

okay

you might actually be zerka i'm not wholly convinced that you aren't

no

what that guy done it

why don't you read any of these i don't i don't have donations and we haven't monetized theer shoitd yet oh sh the f k going to start i' making any fucking paper

i

what up six i got too many followers right it got like a bunch of followers man too many to count

um yeah i can't read them all out but h

so

i think i think this was going on this scinge

because we're so because we're so new to the game

you don't feel like we're enough of a threat

to actually want to have any type of debate with us

but once we do become big and we become a thing

like

become bigger th the vosh and all them people you know what i'm saying

then

then all of a sudden you're going to want to have blood sport debate with me right

um we'll see okay

i mean you know i defeated vos thoug right

so i party much the new gt town like you do like fifty k overnight on that video

who

you on that osh debate i thought

not fifty k but i defeated him

oh okay

yeah

so you don't got to worry about us no more he's's yesterday's guy

that's good

yeah

yeah

ok so let's debate about something

that

um

who do you think was a better fighter nartterris sok no was debate about something real politically something you're passionate about politically

um

oh man i

why why do you think russia intervened in twenty sixteen how do they fuck and meaningfully inter let's go with that

why or how how was it how can you how is it not

a idiological spin to call that an

intervention into our democratic process don't you think that's a little bit misleading it kind of has the connotation

that they were like rigging the fucking election machines or something when they were just spreading sd they were ging the election but but why does the media spin it wy that way whll they were fucking i't su that that

how does it constitute intervention in a another nation's election when the internet is supposed to be free and open according to the liberal ecoy doesn't mean that you're allowed to hack into databases to publish information so that's a extense of russia's intervention or is the fake news which one

probably both i think there were indictments related to both of those things why could there be an anden ok i want to focus on fake news then why was there an indictment related to fake news

because they set up a fake company in the united states they didn't disclose that they were getting foreign funding

and then they were using that to influence americans opinions on the news

ok and isn't that what the free and open internet is according to the liberal idiologist of internet policy within the united states it's a free and open internet

therefore you know

it's just the now they're trying to change it and become more like china too late

liberalism lost

don't you think

what

free and open internet is not foreign companies or foreign countries setting up companies who cares who cares who is doing it who cares wo was a comp that's pretty important because what you know it's just information it's just information on the free and open internet doesn't matter for companies doing it doesn't matter what themation that's expressly trying to undermine the why does the intention matter is my question why does the intention matter because that's what the law wll legally because that's we've decide is laws and the morally

ere we're legally

is the intention what matters

when you're getting payments from foreign accars to engage in political work there is political disclosingss filings that need to be made so make so funding means on the internet is political work

according to america's laws

yeah it can be yeah

ok that seems a bit arbitrary n don't you think and it seems a little bit illiberal how can information

constitute the in intention of intervening into a country's hoan information

intervene i the free and open internet yet i think you don't have to look at the you know it's like road jus you turn off you computer wot ways just turn off the computer walk away just read gomer in diamonds you can google it right now i listen everything i've seen on this russia gate bullshit has been a lot of words talking about nothing alluding to things nothing concrete nothing ca mean there are concrete indictment the's like a dozen indictment yes there's a there was a whole

legal show but the substance of that legal show was nothing

a raight about what was it

that what you mean it lays out very clearly from start yes you know uses so much language to say russians were sharing meanes on the internet who gives a fout

ok

you so you agreed stupid that they callt intervention

not as dumb as your mama is but you agree it's stupid they call it intervention right

and

now

why not

go go read the indictments ok listen you're telling me to go read the indictments but i'm tught i love you

i'm talking to you destiny why should i me the indictments how did russia intervene

i've already told you like five times

you didn't tell me i told you

how is it

that posting means on the internet on the free and open internet this was the liberal idiologists of internet policy who are calling china's one outdated turns out china's one was more advanced now we all accept that

i

but

according to that view

the only sovereignty that exists on the internet for example is that

you can set up your own website you can you can censor it on that basis you can do it on that basis and then they also have laws against things like you know

child i don't want to say anything bannable but they have those kinds of laws and against snuff stuff so there are regulations about what you can can' share but as far as political speech is concerned don't you think this is something unprecedented

trying to regulate political speech

in this type way just because of bman and political smet is heavily regulated already there's all sorts of on the internet

yes so when there's nothing relating to violence when there's nothing relating to that matter how is political educate me i don't know this actually

sure if you're a five a one c three for instance you can engage in any type of political messaging whatsoever what's i i'm s i'm stupd guy what's a five a one c three

it's a filing that you do for an organization that makes this that all the money that you earn is tax exempt but there is heavy restrictions in terms of the language that you're allowed to use the message allow to do related to it you have a five one c four that's a llowed to engage in a certain level political messaging but you still need to make or and then as individuals w you don'ted to campaigns you' have going to make fi with the five one c for example

is it just that they can't engage in political messaging with their brand or they can't use for example let's say they rent out an office downtown and they all have computers

like tell me the intricacies of how it works

isn't it that just can't use their brand to do it or what

i don't know and we give you like a detailed breakdown of everything i because i'm going tob you but you you have to it listen even these n y c c n n what i'm telling you what i'm telling you that if you engage in work with on behalf of a political campaign there are filings that have to be done there

ok sure but ho how is that how is for example let's say you're on the job and you're going on your phone and you're doing you'r spreading political means

like how do you determine whether it's related

to the organization that is prohibited from doing it or not is my question

oh i guess that's up to your personal discretion and then the discussion of the f e c if they investigate you

okay but you don't think' it's an unprecedented development in the history of uh

the internet internet policy in the united states they're not having this issue of

fake news andow they're going to clamp down on political speech

in this some present way trying to use it in a legal way

because even c n n and y t are noting the significance of that you seem to be denying it i'm interested why

are noting the significance of not having foreign actors setting up fake businesses in the united states in order to miss not american that's a goo i don't think anybody does this isn't a bad thing

it's completely irrelevant that they were setting up businesses what matters is what they were doing on the internet on the surface level of the internet it doesn't matter that they had

businesses who can and they're always focusing on the intention the russians want this putin wants this nothing would please putin better who cares what putin wants i is that re we w are you being wait you being real i can't tell these a real conversation why can't you tell us a real conversation ag it canty seconds and without you coming me ouf

how can you not understand that a foreign country by the direction of a government that establishes a corporations inside your own country that betrays your own f p c filing laws that has a strict set of regulations aund how you're let to advertise things on internet related politics ok i going tell that something that is wrong and should be avoided because wh let me go to let me finish please let me finish i asked for like you two minutes we think

why would you compare those activities

ok of a foreign government that is misleadingly and illegally creating a corporation to spread means on the internet to mislead pele public w would you compare that to an endemic national corpor corporation doing the same thing that's following all the laws and is morally within the right to s because by your own admission all those falking things you matter are legally so ambiguous that you could notf you using strong language who cas if it's a foreign country who cares what their intents

were this is the liberal internet we're talking about where there's free speech not you told you couldn't answer the question of how they're allowed to express that speech and how an organization is prohibited from expressing speech because there might be some ambiguity around the specifics of what specific thing might need to be reported on a certain form doesn't mean that the entire issue is ambiguous that is such a reductions ok ok ok let me let mephrase it

ok i can't tell you so in what sense why you mad do why you mad you why you men i'm not mad why you mad

can you calm down

he left

he lost

he lost

he lost

he o d g g

i accept your surrender

i accept destiny' surrender

it was that easy

i want to see what my chet thinks

first and foremost

my chat how do you think i did ha

all off the top of my head no preparation

i don't even know what we're going to talk about

what do you think my chat

what do you think chet

what do you think i mean i beat hm obviously when in terms of debate standards

but it kind of seems like he was conceding to he wasn't even willing to debate

so he was hiding he was bluffing

don't we we're going to have a real debate with destiny

but i destroyed destiny in this debate

but i'm goaning to title this one

tanky defeats destiny

not destroyed

he wasn't destroyed like i destroyed was

but he was defeated

he was not destroyed

he was defeated

he was dismissing me

because of my style

and because of my tone

he wasn't engaging fair and square

he was dismissive

he wasn't addressing the arguments

he started soy rage when i brought up how is it

that they were intervening and he said well forter and i asked him ok then in what sense are cont our companies prohibited

from spreading

a political messaging is it that they're not allowed to do it on behalf of their organization as a brand

or how do you determine

the limits in the thresholds youre i'm a stupid guy explain it to me he couldn't explain it and i think the reason he can't explain it because they don't actually know

because they don't actually know

this was easy guys this was destiny

i thought this was a smart guy like the hard guy that everyone struggles with

like i thought this is the guy that's like the king of political debate

this is disappointing man

like it was better than wash he was way better than h but he was so dismissive and shit you know

but like it was kind of disappointing you know it was kind of disappointing

mike

like i thought this was the

you know

is this easy

why is it this easy

how do you feel of american companies

they were doing that after the collase of the soviet union they were fucking doing it the cia was coming in the post soviet all the support this still fuck and doing it men don't bring me that shit

i want to debate some one man i wish i could have mentioned that in the debate too

you know like i wish i could have brought that up america does the same shit

we know america does the same shit

we will meet again

i know america does the same shit

i know america subordination not my hard work

as well as the thoughts that it's absolutely

i know americas are sam ship t i relationships with

america does the wors

worse than anything russia's ever done iss far as intervention is concerned why can't russia do some tiny little bullshit that hasn't even been proven but america can do it

someone tell me that

someone tell me that

d g g

once in a lot this d g this is your opportunity

you can call on my discord i'll debate anyone

anyone

i'll debate anyone

come in my discord

i'll hop on right now ok

you're a challenger rank debater

prove it

can someone prove it

can someone prove

and out smart me

in a debate

can someone prove it

i'm not molding i'm fine dude i feel fine i'm just kind of disappointed

like i thought this would be way bigger than it was you know this was fucking easy man

he was so much bluffing then so much bluffing

hopping in right now ok you need the link

to our discord

tell me your name on our discord

tell me your name on our discord

tell me your name on our discord

what's your name on our discord

tell me your name on our discord

i don't see you

uh okay send me the link okay right here

i hear do

are you on drugs

why like why wasn't anybody addressing anything i said like he wasn't debating me on anything

i don't get it man

six hundred hours

i don't get it man i don't fuck and get it

i don't understand what was the name of the e mail for

your recap for how many for how much you want you didn't debate you said you mad broke because he started yelling which i wasn't doing in the same way i wasn't getting mad

he didn't debate me dude i said why are you mad

i said why are you mad why is he getting mad i thought it was going pleasant

and he started getting mad

he started getting mad

for what

he wasn't saying anything

he finally started to debate you and you kept asking why you mad

he wasn't dude he was just screaming and yelling the same thing he said before i heard hm loud and clear the first time he was just repeating it again dude

i was just saying why are you mad why are you blowing up at me

like i thought this was going pretty well

you're in the general

ok i'll drag you up

what's your name nichole sam

okay here we go

on

what do i do

general

and then

drag you up

okay was good

you're you're up man

indictments were bolsted and no rearrest came from it i know what' so one reasonable

nicole sam howre you doing brother howre you doing let's hear what you got to say

ya can you hear me yeah yeah i can hear you

what's going on

was i just

i just saw you on destiny stream yes so you're d guy

yes i am ok ok you can can you guy explain to why i lost according to you

you didn't seem to make any coherent point on any of the things you were saying what was so incoherent about it

sure so you basically said a bunch of things that were just like

objectively not true ok name one

ok so the fact that the d n c

sort of shafted bernie or stole the nomination from him that's just not true

i didn't say he's the only reason they lost but you don't think that they use these institutions gathered together to tip it in favor of hillary

i

not necessarily don't know i don't you don't you deny the evidence then basically right

it's no wait i'm not denying the evidence o think about this for example this is a clemon popular one that everyone ok

when when trump

a was giving his speeches

before trump was giving any speeches c n n was filming the podium

while bernie was campaigning live even though bernie was

you have to admit something i want you to admit something

wasn't bernie's rise of phenomena bernie was a nobody before

ok wait ony

why wasn't he is why wasn't he a phenomena either that they thought they didn't pay attention to

we said waiting is right

i

like you this matters like none of thisus actually matter you don't think it matters why doesn't it matter you don't think it's a sign that these institutions

well already ied to g not arny and they were using it their no wich is a ok he kept burning a whole lot ok a lot got ont

ok wait do you genuinely believe that bernie sanders would have won the nomination if it wasn't not necessarily i can't there's no way for me to know that

ok not t that why are you so then why are you talking about it the

because it says something about our democracy our so called democracy it's about truth my friend it's about the fact that even if

bernie had a chance of winning

they were still going to tip it against him that's what it reveals to me when you rig it when you when you play dirty like this

being a loser doesn't matter because it means even if you were a winner

they have a vested reason to intervene in the democratic process

and go in favor of the establishment candidates

do you real like what you're saying right now is like on par with like

the j q stuff that like right wingers there right oh yeah i don't care there's a lot of things me and right wingers get along with about it's completely fine so so you're ok with being a

a cantle like a j cquer

right with j you were i'm going to you guy explain that what it is me it all like you like you w and on right

no the the j q is the jewish question it's something that oh the mok

well ya

we how is that man i'm going to post this all day

you just but jews out of nowhere who w said anything about jews dude

the reason i said that is because the arguments you're making arekin to that of a nazis why why because you're alleging some sort of grand conspiracy behind the sc so even if i was you consercy theori is what does i gve you right to smear me and compare me does it to an anti semite what if i believed in reptilians in the illuminati or some other bulleshit which i don't because you're seeing that a condy all he does hypothetically that is a

give you the right to compare it to anti seminism you because the difference is the difference is things like the illuminati or whatever are kind of intangible when you're talking about jews like what you're saying to there comes a history of violence against people people who are jewish

wait

all that like if you're just going to steam roll steam roll me what's the point of me talking here all i saw i i hea was i was having a conversation with you and you immediately compared me trying to see some light

is that fair

hold o if you listen to what i said ok if you just back up for five seconds and stop yelling over the mike you would listen you would hear what i said i said

ok i'm and i'm incriminating myself

what i said was

you're alleging some sort of grand conspiracy behind the scenes and i said

this is a kd

to what nazis and fascists do when they say that there's

the people they which they refer to as the jews that are behind the scene pulling the strings

we yes what you are doing

is you are alleging

that behind the scenes are sort of some like

grand conspiracy or there'se people that are pulling the rings that walked over bernie sanders

and that's the reason why we don't have all these things and that's the reason bernie sanders didn't went so yeah i do think you're conserding in the beginning of our debate didn't i say i don't think that's entirely the reason

bernie loss

that's the first thing is the last thing you said second of all it's quite the leap to make though to come just because there's the superficial compare similarity of the structure of a conspiracy doesn't mean it's actually comparable for example you could say nazis wre shoes well i has i also wear shoes and it s comparable to nazis because they also wre shoes but how have you justified the connection

you think nazis are the only ones who spoke of conspiracies french jacobins spoke of conspiracies against the people and against the republic stalinists which is what i am spoke of conspiracies against the soviet union which they did and there were why did you bring up of all things anti semites and the nazis go out and justify yourself

because you're a conspiracy theorist in this youn if i was who cares

no because in the same way that they allegus how is it the same al hold i just told you if you would stop yelling tell me how it's the same do not repeat say thing you said before tell me how it's the same

well repeating the same thing i said doesn't make it any less wrong ok

yes it was i'm asking for something different i heard what you said i haven't heard how it is exactly essentially the same that's what i'm missing my friend

destiny's not sending is your best

hum

the city is not sending anyone i made the decision to come out here and talk to you because you you really people are supposed to be like master debaters you're fucking idiot dude

it

you realize how you're acting right now ok forgetb let's get to the mediu potatoes why is it essentially the same that my conspiracy theory and by the way you know the origin of conspiracy theories medieval courts intrigues the american founding fathers believed in conspiracy theories because they understand that the court intrigues of the in shan regime in europe sure everyone agrees there was aristocracies everyone arees that there was monarchies and the engage in conspiracy

theories ok w you think after we live in a democracy all that just went away that's pretty naive my friend pretty n

you claim you say i'm just going to take it as if you're either lying or too stupid to know what you're saying so that's that how you justified that claim that assumption

i okay hold on back call me stupid because of how i sound be cause i don't sound like a nerd

how do you justified calling me that's why i called you stupd you just had a debate with destiny

in which you sat that there was some sort of like

a legitd like

pulling behind the scenes of you was it ancee

there was ok show me show me the show me the evidence that we already

o ok what about what of what specifically in wiki leak show by way free julian assignce everyone who's looking at me free julian as sigs the hero of your equal

it do you realize you just like moved off that point i just asked you w was an essy going continue your point

what specifically was in the wikileaks that showed that the d n c ricked the primary against bernie in twenty sixteen

i oka i admitted to destiny that i only knew about one thing i knew about how they rigged it with c n n and the d n c debates

i didn't prepare for this but i know for a fact there's other things i just don't remember them so i'm allt wait

do you think what like do you think donna brazil leaking like questions to hillary mean that they rigged the entire primary no no i didn't say they rigged the ballots i don't knowbout anything about that

but they diy there is significant eviden if they did that

you don't think it's logical to assume they were doing other things

i do you know what they only did that is saying you're certain that's the only thing they did is that what you're saying

ok how from a logical perspective is that likely you have an institution you have an establishment that is working together against the american people splain is day plane is day like the sun all shining like the sun

and can you just stop like monologuing like grandstanding like i don't know if this you

ok that's that's great i just had to listen to you talk to destiny for like the last thirty minutes and i had oneo youre in my chat go on spit it up

yeah i bet your chat be as you askeds nott to say my g please i what you you're just you're not letting me talk i reaally told please raise a point raise one point yeah you're sort of tepidly like dancing around this point talking about describing my debate tactics and my demeanor and my tone the fucking point my friend i know a lot of people waiting and i got to chat to please please get on the point

it's one second ok because you're being very nyzing this situation and get your point

meat potatoes only please

no sald

ok again i'll ask you the since you said you don't know so if why are you talking about like

the wikileaks if you don't even know what's in those wi youleak because i've read them before and i've seen enough to conclude to the thought

right and this is ob what did you say specifically listen do you know how thought works you encounter evidence that lead you to a conclusion you may not remember the evidence that led you to that conclusion you just remember that you arrived at it i can't give you the other examples because i don't have them off the top of my head i already admitted that and conceded that on destiny's stream i've already conceded the point that i don't have any other information you're going to have to take my word for it or you're going to have to research for yourself or

can say none existed whatsoever

you a simple question do you do you think that that the rich was like murdered by the d n t

i don't know how would i know that

i don't have a research anything about that

do you know i heard something about that aecie business

wait wait sorr fishy business i was hearing suffshy business i don't know nothing about it thugh

i can't i can't conclude nothing because i didn't research it myself

know what i'm talking about yes i do i've heard that that that conspiracy

but i just never researched it so i don't know

o well it's false it's how do you know it's false is i'm interested in how you know it's false go

how do i know it's fall you know there's a part there's a bunch of different things so one of the guys that push that im dot com

literally lied through his teeth about that situation he was one of the people that's bread that lie ok that

not the rich was a if you have it i would have to research it independently to arrive and that's my view this is like this is but yes it is my friend i'm not educated on that subject so you aredy said what you think and i don't i have to research it myself

okay ho can i ask you a question are you a a post modernist like do you not believe in like um

do you think that everything is sort of just like how do we get from

n be here to here

ho you want to talk about post modernism

no i just want to understand your like your framework for how you go about these things like if you're a post modernist i get it like you don't believe in objective truth

so sad you want know why i beulieve people call them cooxs now because look u polite i'm being to this guy we went from there to him calling me a post moderis stick to your point nico

is jt w is asking you if you're a post modernist like a slur or something like

it's stupid we're talking about very concrete things

and i'm telling you i have to research it independently and are you post modernist why because i want to research things independently and i don't just think like a sheep who turns on c n n and accepts everything they fuk and say is that is that just about the question you had just said

w i have to research it independently to know anything about it i'm not going to draw a conclusion about suth rig because i don't know anything about it isn't that what a humble person says why do you have to bring up post modernism

i

there's so many things i me i don't know where to respond

the only reason i brought mse ting english

we're not we all love am i speaking english

that tt is fans and then the say interrupt me but when i let them talk they don't say anything but talk about how what i do think i'm meaningless they never try to establish a common ground of meaning this is why i interrupt because when i let them talk they do talkn say anything when i let them talk chat they say are you a post modernist to avoid your original point i'm going to hammer you on that original point

my friend go back to the original point that's what i'm concerned insisted

well let's start yet short let's start over ok

so tell me

what is it you want to talk about do you want to talk about the i don't you want to talk you you want to debate me

yeah i know but do you have anything specific in mind that you that like there is to discuss how could i you wanted to debate me you seem like you have something to debate isll that

you said

d g jears come on i said if you want to come to bate come on d g ears based on topate about what

like what do you i don't know think of sup think based on what i've said in this neys s what do you think about so you'r marxist linester yeah

what do you think about the the capital riot

the capital riot is that what you're saying

yeh i think here's my honestly godvi youw on the capitlal rights

i think it was a vanity

but there was also an aspect of tragedy in it i think trump supporters were conned

and they were misled

but i'm going to be honest to god with you

when that riot was happening i was watching the empire on its knees

and i couldn't help a smile

friend i couldn't help but smile

i want to see this political order

crumble

so are you like tepidly

making a defend because it fet like youre kind of point both sides and i had nothing to do with those rights my friend how could i defended or support it i was sitting in my fucking couch you don't have you don't have to be i was sitying in my underwear in on my couch i had nothing to do with the dude you want you are you asking if i was shaking and scared and crying because i wasn't anything else sti wait that's a strawt wait wait

all i asked was

what do you think about the capital rights and you basically gave me a sort of like wishy washy answer like oh i think it was what you might and i'll explain why your thoughts are stop do you think i think it was horrible i think people that what's not ping you think it was horrible what's the point of that thinking it was horrible the point of that is that

we're supposed to be a liberal democracy ok o looksm not thoh

so get with the wallgram infrared thinks in terms of reality not wishy washy bar what about what should we be se not be

well it seems like we still are because even after all of that joe biden became president

now we have a silicon valley ruled

a deep state now which is explicitly out of sen what' is going to sensor everybody they're going to use lat form us you're going to depl that's so we're not taking donations you know we're going to be for do you see why a side you're literally a kin to j cre because yes you're talking about

what because s have to do with it you fok shit pieces shit what do they have to do with it you slandering me you slandering me as an empti semie i didn't say a goddamn thing about jews why are you bringing up stop using jews as your shield a lot of jews i know are conspiracy theories to shut the fuck up about you stop using them as your shield you chicken shit little bitch coock little boy shut the fuck up

you need be slapped around a little bit is what you fuck a need making those accusations calling me an anti semite such your goddamn cock mouth you little bitch

i'm not taking that

i'm not taking this slander

you

calling you an anti semite i'm saying the thing you are staying are literally akin to those

of that people like that they that they're in the same way nazis wear shoes and i wear shoes there's no fok essential connection you can justify noneo but none i think the english british elites have been ruling the world not the jews

so what's your point

the anglos not the jews

the british elites not the jews

hold on hold on the gym were blamed for them

you're not listening to what i'm saying ok just back up

i didn't say you were an anti semite i said you're alleging some sort of like chap ro why are you so mad dude because i'm talking to this guy about simple things like bernie sanders and then he says

he brings up j q the jewish question what did that where did that come from

we're told wre a decro from i just told you because you're alleging to some sort of a grand conspiracy what the what the oligarchs in the silicon ly sure and make the connection to do please

again i'm telling you nazis claim that there's a secret al people notz war shoes

wait can you just stop can you just know you're going to say you're going to make similarities you're going to point out the similarities i know there are similarities but that similarity is not an essential one that justifies drawing the comparison it's just not it's not essential enough

just like how i wear shoes and they wear shoes is not essential enough so i'm

ok can you just back up for w w wait first of all

do you take shits

you say

s i don't shit

you don't shit

no i don't

you don't shit you don't use the bathroom ever

oh i never use the batho you don't use the bathroom do you speak with your tongue

i don't

actually it's hard to do't how

you don't

do you speak at all

i don't i i it it seems like i'm speaking

speaking to you're right ok so you are speaking right

i guess it's very similar to how nazis speak

because they speak to

so that's very similar to nazis because nazis also use language and speak

so you're an anti semite you see how fucking stupid it is

not stupid because ok

that's not the claim i'm making ok the claim i'y making is that you're allegingds you want to rans from nothing from nowhere

why because i'm a arab you think i hate jews

why you so such a raci

i didn't even know you're arab i never even said that

that clearly i'm an arab what else am i away how would i know that because i said we he had all that's why

ok so what i have friends that are not wre you siming jews i didn't see anything about jews i didn't even allude to jews or anything

i just a wait i just explain to you like

the like i don't know how many times i swlain this you i told you

i said in the same way ok and it please just don't come t if you allow me to explain this point ok

we can move past this ok just give me one minute

i said

in the same way that nazis claim that there's some sort of secret cabal

of like

jews or

the those they call them right

that they control the strings behind the scenes

you are in the same way alleging that there's some sort of a grand conspiracy of people conspiring to sort of like pull the strings and do all of this the silicon valley the deep state

it's the same like to range diluded thinking

that leads you to this conclusion that's also what nazis do so yeah

youre i didn't say you were nazd in today you were an anti semite i said the reasoning and logic that got you to that point is the same reason and logic that gets naziused to their point

oh now that i let you finish your point

it was actually really smart point thank you for finishing it now your point was made in a

and it was so different from what i already addressed

just fuking kidding i told you you have not established in essential point of similarity pointing out an abstract similarity that we were both conspiracy theorist is just as arbitrary as saying they were shoes and i wre shoes what is your fuking point i didn't mention jews i didn't mention hate against a particular group i didn't blame or scapegoat a particular ethnic religious group i did not blam

here's a loking difference you idiot most has listen sit listen this so the puck up and listen most jews in nazi germany had nothing to do

nothing nothing nothing to do not the with that way i know that so how am i incriminating innocent people like how the nazis were incriminating innocent people for things they had nothing to do you're alleging some sort of massive conspiracy i do believe there's an establishment and there's vested institution st interest hold up stop stop stop who's made up of that institution of those establishments obviously people are but it's a

you wll

what people people who comprise them and who who have vested interests are the ustinans yeah who are they hillary clinton for example

ok so hillar clinton what name can you give me another name how you want me to name you thousands or how you want me so you don't think i can n you don't think i can name and you don't think i can name tution i don't think i can name an institution without naming every single person who has an interest bested interest and who is a part of it how many people do you want due bill gates he's another guy how many other people do you want

so we got bill gates we got hilly clinton oh yeahpaarly because i can't name thousands of people in a fucking st

three more people

how many three more people oh this's easy jeffrey epstein he's dead is he countause he's dead

no i guess not because het in maxwell still alive though right

okay s's a liale toy ooh let's see this is so fucking easy it's like an appetizing fucking buffet who do i get to choose from i want to use i want to choose people

i want to choose people who are going to be like effective from a propaganda perspective

whom are going to tooth from this buffet all these fucking establishment stooges

let's see

let's see andrew como because i fucking hate seeing him on scene and he's part of the whole fucking thing too

let's see this whole other thing

god damn it let's see let's see how many how many others you want ten

that

said three more you're inre three more you gave me clinton it is too much to che not too much to choose you gave me i don' want to go ot bez was this too easy i want to go i want to i want to do something nice choose a nice one

a clinton

this line maxwll you want three others is that what you want

ah sure

ok you want three others let's see

w let's see this is going to be so this is so appetizing

let's see who do i want to choose who do i want to choose

mm

i re said bill gates

ok the no i don't want to do jrshvi itz he's not big enough

the bush family the whole fucking family but that counts as a lot of people but i'll just that'll count as one person

on our bush families one that is because they go back to prescott bush

yes that's viol

wait wait wait wait wait that's fine ok you named enough people

ok so all these people you are alleging are in some sort of like massive conspiracy

what do you think a conspiracy is

um a conspiracy like an act to do something behind the scenes

yeah i think they do do things behind the scenes hundred percent like what like what what do they do

i

they basically rule they rule over us

how how do they rule over us

is what do you mean how like what were you looking for like what do they do specifically like how do they rule us over

they rule us over

by for example maintaining the status quo against any threats against it

what does that mean

like what does that even mean

like for example of a guy like bernie sanders runing at get rid of them

but we just wait didn't we just go over that

yeah yeah that was yeah that was a cheap example right

i they'll going ramp up support

among the masses for things like the iraq war comp that didn't come from the ground up the raq war came from the ces of the oil obby and all them fucking way know it that it ok going from the not about oil dude

if you think the iraq war was about oil you're actually sking what was it about

the iraq the iraq war well it was about the

cheney and sort of like

rumsfeld like sort of foreign policy approach to like

taking out saddam because they wanted to

what why

why because they're neo cons and why do they want to take out saddam specifically

because they don't like him why

why because he did some pretty bad shit

but the king of saudi arabia also did bad shit why don't they take him down

yeaes sure because saudi arabia's are ally and if they you just running in circles with tautology why do they want to take o saddam

were gadhafi in libya why why these two people why

to see what you're doing now other conspiracy there andyh plenty there's actually plenty

yeah i know where you're going with this you're going to bring up the petro dollar some bullshit like none of that is true

you don't think it's true

no i don't pets a dollar is not

wait can i say a question what you think the ps are aways real

a i didn't say the petro dollarsn't a real but ro thank you so much for this because

i'm going to title this video debating a d gdar and it's ok go thank you it'll get it'll give me content also if you guys want to follow me bmy youtube channels nico sam and i k o s am

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not can we can we just go back to the debate because i don't yeah you have less

ok sure

so yeah the iraq war was not about oil contrary to what people think but well it depends on allar is a real redustry on record

no i never

i think if i said the petro dollars and real i misspoke but

the notion that gaddhafi

the notion that like the reason we

invaded these countries was because of oil or that it had something to do with the petro dollar

how can it well there's really no proof to prove that i mean unless you have something you have something i haven't seen brother there's plenty of proof

it's out there i can't name it off the top of my head but i promise you it's out there

ok i can also tell you there's plenty of proof that aliens exist but i can't name it off the top of my head

ok and i would have to say ok well

the likelihood of that and i would have to assess the likelihood of that

based on the you know if aliens were real for example i think you wouldn't be the only smart guy to know about it but plenty of people talk about what i'm talking about for example it's not really at the same level of ridiculousness to say that all these wars are happening for

for complex geopolitical reasons relating to america's economic political economic security and he gemony over the world that sound plenty reasonable

saying aliens are real iss just saying

you know it's like coming out of nowhere you know i'm saying so you can at least mit i'm a bit more reasonable than saying there's aliens

n

really because you wouldn't admit that it's a little bit more reasonable to say that the iraq war happened for oil related reasons

then to say aliens are real you think they're both outlandish and just as unlikely as one another

things to say that aliens are real is pretty like outlandish and kind of like hyperbolic is

yeaes sure but the point being is that like you're claiming some sort of like massive conspiracy that the iraq war was for oil yet you really don't have any evidence to back that up

ok what was it for i'm interested in yourview

was it for i

i just told you there was you named it nottls you said rumsfeld didn't like i rock

and like you is he come out horrible crimes but your point didn't because other people commit horrible crimes and they didn't have it out for them

in the same way

it's so wy rock

youre ok s why you know why i can't

i drinke it all my

can you just like give me two minutes i can't get all my ca you like you s i'm cutting you up but every time you speak you can't address my point go ahead speak and i'll

i'll demonstrate the same thing again for my chat

you address your point the reason why we went into iraq is because there was people in the bush administration like dick cheney and donald drumsfeld who believed in a foreign policy

that promoted

regime change and also to strengthen our allies in their region like israel

why so yeah

why because i don't know we're allies with israel we're allies with saudi arabia and they don't particke they particularly didn't like saddam

why not

why sit onwn

why not because he was a piece of shit the i was a brutal dick we already got over the fact that he was brutal and he was a piece of shit but so okwait

so you admit that's all right w wait hold on on

actually before we go any further you have met that like saddam was a piece of shit and

you admit that assad is a piece of shit like

i'm not a syrian i'm not iraqi it's not my business to judge who to be w you don't have to be s i s i do it's not my you don't yes w are you a met howbout are you american yes i live in the united states i focus on my own country's business

i think dickchen is a piece of ship

because i'll gt that's the cood that's the fucking country i live in

who might to judge who's a piece of shit or who's not a piece of shit

for people

over whom i have no business exercising any jurisdiction or authority

ot that's great but that's not how we view things in terms of i know but that's why you're american empire is crumbling and i'm laughing

and you're crying about it don't you live in america yeah yeah im

so what

because i dos this empire suffocate its own people that's why

because the people who live in this empire are also suffering under the boot

of the oligarchs and blood suckers that's why communanty summit again

i'm not talking about jews by the way it's not an innuendo jews have nothing

i'm not talking about juice i

bloodsuckers is a pretty loaded term but marx and lenin said the same thing and marx was a jew himself and len was farthest thing from an anti semit you comm he called them blood suckers to i'll call blood suckers as well malcolm x call them blood suckers he was an anti semite either i think you're trying to defame and gaslight are us the real left about our own traditions like malcolm max like lenin like marx and trying to compare us to nazis and fascists because we challenge liberal

wism

we're not with you guys and we're not you guys

you guys hoe let them p blackmail you chat into think you're guys for having some blls hot you guys have more in common with nazis and fascists

thean than liberals do i know you liberals always say that

but who funded the not is true you

who funded you sax holdu did you not know wait i'm curious to know did you know that the iraq war protests were some of the biggest protests to ever happen in the world especially in america as well like do you know i did the iraq war still happen the if it wasn't for the fact that there is an elite that exists at the expense of the people

the reason iraq war happened is because after nine eleven the country rallied behind george bush and his and his administration yeah i yeah yeah yeah o iraq was in a not all war the people he justs which one is it w it wich one is it you just said he told you you just talked about the protests and i'm saying the american people were for the war

which one is it you defin at

we can look this up polling on iraq war

ok what is your point though

what are you what point are you because you said two different opposite things you said there was massive protests and now you're saying i'm not denying you theer want to s what is your point

hold on first of all one point i forgot to mention marx was an anty semit of fuck marx

you don't don't talk shit about marx on my stream fuck you were marx this heear you're going to honor and apologize for that you're getting the fuck out

go ahead some i'm sorry karl marx i

okay

oke

as i just said ok

after nine eleven there was a big rally

behind the country behind george bush and his administration

obviously the terror attack that happened on nine eleven was the most brutal one

to happen on this in this country's history

um

so there was a lot of like inned up sort of patriotism jingosm whatever you want to call it

o

basically there was people as i just told you

that in the bush administration that wanted to

depose saddam

that wanted to get rid of him

m and they had their reasons for whatever it may be

whether it be

they simply wanted to

install a more friendly u s person in that region

or your

our allies pressured us into

and to sort of getting rid of saddam because he was a pain and he asked to them

there's there's a lot of complicated reasons for why we do the things we do it can't be just all chalked up to well they have oil so we went there for the oil that's just not true

and yet you haven't named another reason in that whole paragraph he sat so i give me another paragraph naming reasons

i just give you a reason there was people in the bush administration who wanted to go to i are asking why but you're just naming the people ine the big one cause what is the cause it's not oill what is it it's not just thet that people want it i want to know why they want to my friend

first of all

the invasion of iraq i'll just say this out like like

outright ok the invasion of iraq was a horrible thing

like we the us ill think my suit run of a plause gys is will thingk run a plaus in the chat go on

well ok wait play i'm not defending the iraq war i'm just telling you the reasons why we went into iraq i don't know if you understand the difference

you know what do we why on this i'm mention the iraq war to give you an example of how the elite because you asked me the question want to dodts f your original point you asked me how is it that the elite conspires against the people

and i said they drum up support for wars like the iraq war which would not have otherwise been popular had they not had a vested interest in the war it was in the american people's interest now you said you agreed that the american people were whipped up by frenzy by nine eleven but they could have named any brown person arab country or moslem country

like pakistan and they would have been the same fucking thing so why iraq specifically

i just told you

there was people in the bush administration who wanted to depose saddam

for vid hear

in nineteen

i believeeous nine hundred two some wh we

yes i can tell you why just give me one second

when george h w bush went into iraq that was because he invaded kuwait

because the

i think it was was that the kuwaitis were drilling into iraq's oilant to

kuwait but this is important like that's the first reason that you a i know it was a kuwait but i don't want to get into the reasons why the whole kuwait business dram was haping be different s you're branching off too much i want to go back to where i'm not branching off i'm just giving you context so we can at least have some but i know the context not educating me

you talk so much dude

i'm not i'm not

educating you but i might be educating your you're not go do waste your business my viewers are smarter than this

view my view my viewers are all educated marxist linist

go on

okay well i think being a marxist lininist is pretty stupid but anyways but who's looking stupid right now

chad who looks more sited b

democracy time who looks more stupid gon on i think

attitude i think it's kind of embarrassing that you're kind of like

deflecting a kind of like grandstanding be like chust who looks more stupid like ye because it's my it's our show in forra it so it's my show

okay sure anyways so

from august two thousand and two to early march two thousand and three the number of americans who favored the war in iraq

fell to between fifty two percent to fifty nine percent

while those who oppose that

fluctuated between thirty five and forty three percent

so

the iraq war initially did have a lot of support behind it

um

it seemed though after the fact

i

the start of

i

the sort of approval of it seemed to diminish

i

the later years two thousand and four t thse gal points im i'm my patience is only so much tested i'm not cutting off anything important please

do you do i'm so bored listening to you i'm so bored my chat is so bored get to the point why did you bring this up in the first place i didn't make any claims about the nature of the support in relation to the iraq war i said the anglo saxon elites are the ones who rule the world then you said there was a lot of protests against the iraq war how did you get what's the point of saying that it was the iraq war protests for some

the biggest protest in the world why did you bring that up what was the point of that

because you made it sound like that everyone was like in the s was in that would i mere is that what elites means i said the anglo saxon elites can we clarify the point now i said anglo saxon elites

but i said the people suffering under the american empire what i mean wait wait see what i mean so instead of the j q it's the anglo saxons like yeah it's the anglo elites

ok so it's the white elites got it

get

be do you contest that point

yeah i mean i don't yeah yeah i die

i don't think you need to be specifically white to be an elite

i didn't say that though did i said there are justy t acx on a lite no i said they are an elite

they are

i didn't say you have to be white to be an elite though t did i

you do you see dont you understand logic basic logic you're really bad at basical writing basic logic

i didn't say you have to be anglo saxon to be an elite that's different from saying the current elites are saxon though one doesn't equate to the other you know basic logic dude

to question

did you have you

gone to college or like university

yeah

ok what did you study

i got a three point two g p a and i never went to any classes that i didn't have to which was the majority of them and i got all my information and learning from online because colleges for cox and anyone who actually thinks they're learning anything in college is an idiot you don't learn anything in college fok college fok college in the chat fock nerds like you you came on my fucking stream and you lost

how does it feel

um

i don't think that's the case but ok ofset we're going to see when i post the video we're going to see the likelights dislike ratio

what's your

what's your you tube channel

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i don't know how to like say it it's infrared on youtube

infrared on you tube ok

youy know i'm putting this on our channel by the way

that's great thank you i want the cloud i appreciate

m

okay

so do you do you actually have like anything serious to talk about are you just you here dude you want to debate me

yeah i wanted to debate you because you offered di you're being a big walrus in wale wasting my time and other people in the queue who want a chance i you have anything else to say or no you're not special dude you're not special anything else to say

i don't think i ever once said i was special do you have anything else to say you've taken up so much of my time how generous of you

yah sure how did hos fell the college no i didn't i got a three point two g p a total in college and that's from never going to class and almost never studying unless the night before cow for don't get it twisted i can beat you at your own little games i beat you in your own little institutional games

i took the l st cald and i got a one fifty five cald zero prep zero studying zero prep

one fifty five

did you do the

we

studying law so ok

don't do don't don't don't talk to me like oh hes sees he failed at college i didn't fail dude your games are easy i blow him out of the water i'm just beyond your games i never i never sauch failed i guess the institutions just don't work they don't work dude they don't it's a fucking joke cowo for

are you talking to me your cha talking to cow for do you have anything else to say do there's other people waiting in line you're taking up so much fucking time in my show anything else to say

i want to ask you how do you know we have more things to say let's go

ok how did you how did you come to the position of a marxist leninism what got you to this position

i don't want to answer

why

because fuck you were you to me

just asking you a question

how did i do it

no no i'm saying what made you come to this position like what

what was like the catalyst for you like

what made you want to spouse marxist leninist beliefs or preach this ideology a long story it's a really long story

ok so ok let's say

i am a

i don't know nothing about politics pitch me your case for marxist for marxism leninism who are you

i don't know i'm just i'm just a the adal the litical subject in so far as there an address s

is not an individual

it like you don't address them as one individual you address masses and you catch

a majority or a minority of

ah so i would never address you personally to win you oll

and who are you are you the working class you you don't sound like it

i mean my family is working class so are you

andmy i mean i'm twenty years old so i know what your position in life

what's my position i go to school

ok i know you go to school you sound like

yeah i go to school youyeah you sound like you

yeah that's my position in life

ok

yeah i have nothing to say to you

ok

like i don't n you like we don't need you is what i'm saying

you know o on a hospital

i could say the same thing about you but i'm not going to because i don't care we're not talking about wh you came on my show was the difference

right

yeah after you offered yars to come on your show and debate you yeah i did offer it but

you're the ones who game

yeah i did offer it to you doesn't mean that

doesn't mean i'm the one who needs you sounds like you need me to shot your thing again

an i k o

sam

as you go

nko actually wait here can it can i link it in your check at is that ok

m you're not going to be able to post links because you're not able to but why don't you

d m

the link and i'll link it in the chat

very can i can i can i do that

like

i'm not saying you're not allowed to i'm saying like physically the technology won't let you do it

like you have

sengn it to your to your discord

yeah you send it to discord in general

i'm not sure

o but wait can we can we just please go back to a couple of things

ok

i'm going to i'm going to shout out your stuff because i just want to prove to you it's not going to help you

that's fine i don't care too much honestly i'm twenty years old i have my whole life ahead of me

you tube is the least of my problems

nows i linked

thanks man i appreciate it

i hope i get a lot of heat i

ok once in the chat if we just move on to the next guy this guy's being disrespectful of our time dude you're not want to be suspectful ways i gave you an hour or so and i'm so like you have no common sense at what point do you just say ok i'm done i said my piece i'm going you've you've yelled at me the entire time and he's ing and we're going to wirl back to tape s he was in it once in the chat i you i'm go to move on

listen y dude i don't know if you're a troll but i hod i start with to hundred fifty nin a one eighty because you're so born

we have to my whole

i hope you get help ok

okay

anything all right

yeah i think honestly you should be the platform

good luck

i too

ok

you gone

no i'm still here

youre you going to leave or have to kick you out

i

i don't know man you seem pretty stupid so i just hope you you're right

ok

who wants to debate me

polar's world

everyones tim the polar's world

what's up

stak your beef and stag your business

you're on you're up

polars world you upe

brother you're up

polish world europe

poler's world you're up

okay

you you need some time you need some time

clearly you need some time

i'm going to choose someone else

yeah

alh esier

ok sorry we want you here

yeah i was just going to ask

whoh you say that you're like a sonis right

yes hundred percent stylleness

m

um i i'm i'm more curious than anything else um are you af like how do you feel about the great purge

that's the worst example dude because the great purge was just

all of the people who already had blood on their hands being purged why don't you talk about the famine of

that was the really ugly business was that famine in thirty two thirty three

that was a bad example to bring up to

we wannt know i was

um i i think the purge i think the purge was incredibly popular even the uh

the trotsky is who hate stalin but they did they they weren't trots anymore was

the revisionist school

they're very well esteemed they teach them in the universities now they say the purges were very popular because they hated those elites and they hated those people in charge and the biggest the

people who were in the crosshairs in those purges were

like the people who already had blood on their hands who were in charge

right that's what i think was

hm

to do you it was a good thing

like would you would like if you could go back in time it was immense anden it or let it go

but that's not how things a events in history don't unfold as the result of

the moral will of intercepventual they unfold for material you know reason so i you have to agree you have to judge it on that basis what do i think of it is a question of

what was it objectively right

y

o that's a very weird way of playing it but what i'm asking

yeah sure i was just i just had an issue with the way you fd it but its not really relevant so like you're asking whether it's po like you

whether it was

whether it was popular i don't necessarily

care as much if it was

popular i don't

i'm asking

i'm asking do you think it was the right thing to do

but you're assuming an individual subjective position that is the cause of the event

which is completely not what happened the great purges were historical events

it's like saying

sure ya

no i understand the position so i'm look if i was a god for example whose will mattered and hed s ust as good as thisss yeahy

i think it's arbitrary to point out the great perg because if i was if i was in that position of power

there would be no problems on earth i would be able to solve every problem with the snap of my fingers but that's not how way forks nw was the friend

i'm just asking like if that if you were a guy i'm just trying to explain to why it's a silly approach history

but

i know i'm just asking i know you may think it's a silly life i was god i would use that saeing power you have vested in me

that same power you vested in me

to destroy all the soviet union's enemies

internally andly

let's say like you are you a fan of anime

i never watched animy except when i was a kid i watched you do

ok well i don't really know very much what you go but like let's say you have an anime power and this power it only gave you control over whether the purch happened or not

ight that was just would you would you let it happen or would you prevent it

i think that's a stupid scenario

abjectly stupid scenario a

i i'm just asking t

can you answer the question but your question is silly dude your questions really silly i'm going to explain to you why it's silly

because you have to take into account holistically all the things that would happen if

you were to supposedly prevented and you also have to ask this question let's say on this anime that i want to go with this abstraction you gave me

sure and what do at what would be the causal point

because you can't just you are summarizing the great purges as a singular thing resulting from a singular will in the scenario right what is the causal domino effect that sets the whole thing in motion that i could sput my foot down and say this

is stopped the great purges aren't set in motion

listen so ok here's what happens

i'm a fan of narto ok narto comes in from a different universe with his like

chalker whatever he's a god basically

and as a like right before like let's say

right before ok the first like the first killing start like

okay nararto comes down

ok and narts looking up from the sky and narchas like like he's like he acts let's get to the point g the point please sure so nar observes and he sees well should i intervene and stops like stop the government i don't we don't need to get into the like

we're probably going to disagree on the descriptive but like

i need to start as he sp how does he stop it noarto comes down

oh

it's like he uses he uses like he uses chalcra uses all that good stuff no no don't i don't know all the enematees like ho does he kill stalin does he kill the soviet officials how does he st it

ah he just he literally uses like he's very strong so he prohibits okay he prohibits any of the killings from happening

o very strong like what happens after that

basically

after that point you know stalin every like basically after that point stall i doly n so has just

identified himself as the number one enemy of the soviet state a bigger threat may be than even the nazi german if he can do this he's an enemy of soviet state sovereignty why would i unleash this upon the soviet people

um because

wait i'm asking

do you think that the purge was a cocket

you i'm sorry when you ask a historical event was it good or bad is a stupid approach is what i'm trying to explain to you

so i understand that position so maybe i should ask you this ok maybe this is a better question do you think it was justified with the historical context a the

the actors who were in the purges like stalin and all those people

hundred percent i've vindicated

oky

so

how do you feel about the moscow trial to be specific

that dealed with people like ashf

and they could just taken hm out back and shot him and didn't even have any type of trial show trial or not the fact that they had a trial showed that the soviets were civilized in a way that the nazis weren't son if it was you think of trial doesn't matter

showd they s the civilized in a way the nazis weren't there's no comparison

do you think it's all i don't i'm not i' know you're not making a comparison i't saying yeah so

i you not think it's a little weird that in the moscow trials they only reference primary soviet sources in order to in order to incriminate us off what other sources would they

cited well one one of the initial claims but this is apparently disputed

would be that they would have had german evidence

demonstrating that

and as hof was initially recruited by the german intelligence and where we the youerm evidence come from germansies

no that was alleged evidence by them like that was alleged and where that e its not the'm going to provid who's collecting that evidence if not soviet primary sources

that was an

shu

i know that how could they collect the evidence

besides being a primary sovi o yeah ok so yeah i get what you mean so for example after the fall of nazi germany the soviet union actually had access to

and the nazi germanys like intelligence agency the aslinm probably butchering that right half of thse files are split some of them were lost but half of those are split

in sent to the soviet union and other half are actually in berlin right now for accessibility ok so

so you're saying there's no evidence anywhere in those that anyone was working with a nazi

so there was just no there was no evidence that he was even initially recruited

who as of

that's ugh yeah no none of those i have ook at that myself i don't know

but even if you saw that hypothetically to say he wasn't right

sure

given the fervor of the time during the great purges

who were whipped up in this fervor in in the deeper historical context of this was an institutional revolution

the fresh blood from the countryside was coming to replace the old soviet elites

pretty much what was going on that's why i was so popular

but the ornamental expression given to this event

they could have sh maybe maybe they accused him of being a nazi spy

and this was just the main thrust of this accusation wasn't actually that impirically speaking

he was a nazi spy

but that the

on a deeper level they were saying he was

ultimately aligned with

fascism historically because he was undermining the soviet state

i don't know you know i just don't know

i'm giving you an example the like even if there was no evidence it doesn't make a difference as to the

thing that was actually going on

there

what

what thing was going on

basically there was an institutional revolution that was happening during the great purges the people being purged were from the legacy of the twenties

and the relations of the production have outmoted

the soviet superstructure

after collectivization basically

the nature of the soviet state

changed

but the people in power

did not catch up to this fact

that's why the great purges happened

ok

so

even though i may disagree with that i think i would but the same thing happened ur the new deal was the same but no one was killed urt but like f you r shook up the establishment he got people from texas he got farmers and he put them up in power etm

do you think there's a difference it wasn't a violent or whatever but it was like the same institutional shake up that was happening in the new deal as well

similar at least

okay

i would say that it's probably not a good thing to compare those two right well i'm comparing them anyway you know

that's probably a bad comparison right do you see that to me

you think it's just completely fine that like in you one like what was potentially like thousands were killed of political enemies like leaving i forget the specific percentage

but like only a certain amount of the previous this is my political this is my bureaucrats

politics is an ugly business when you're defining the entire world and everyone's out to get you

it's an ugly business you don't think politics is violence that's exactly what it is

so i would

ok so

this is this is i think we're going to yout not about the faceless victims of american

and european imperialism and colonialism i don't think about them you think about a of

because you can put a name and face on him

but we don't think about the faceless millions who are butchered and killed

and writ about the you don't think about them my friend you don't think about them so let's not a i pretend like we care about political violence here because we don't

i would say ok i have a interesting relation when it comes to the way that european colonialism has affected my family so i don't think it's good to be a sitch your family f th the way

i

africa i can say specific part of africa i'm not trying to get doxed

that was specifically under some which part of africa please

eastern

never eat soggy waffles

you're from east africa egypt

no i can'm not going to say it i gm on s just it up you are you white or no

i no i'm not white

oh ethiopia

i don't ge at this point somalia more importantly

ok i'm curious i' us i it's not relevant

hey maybe one of these days ok my family from my familyes from ruchon

my famis and l that

that's great maybe we can become friends at one point i can tell you my whole life story but i think you just admit you just told me that you were personally victimized by colonialism

right sure but i'm not i don't want to really want to be in the business of toxing soonch how's a doxing my friend

okay

we don't really need to address a specific point

right it's not necessarily relevant when ok if it's not ok i agree it's not relevant actually i think it's yes so meaningless thing that you brought up the fact that you

your family has a vested interest because

even if your family does have a vested interest right now in terms of how you're speaking you're speaking on behalf of the anglo saxon liberals

sounds like we sounds like

i you don't even know what political ideology i hold for all you know i could be goddamn and i know you're you sound like a live when it comes to this thing like trotsky is anarchist i don't care who they are

when they deal with stalinism their lives

ok

so

to get back to the point

my issue is with the aspect of an alleged ok an alleged uprising against stalin

okay um

whenever i hear specifically stalinists talk about

oh well there was this alleged

there was this alleged like

a potential revolution that they were going to overthrow i see little to no evidence for that claim a

what group

was trying to almost gromi sens though and it makes a lot of sense

when you that sure go for the common sense yeah what's the common yeah itre was an institutional revolution

there was people who were not happy with the direction so caen you name the group

a group

w which group was 'unhappy with the

evolution

ah like the the ones who were in charge after nine hundred seventeen in the twenties

that whole apparatus built that bureaucracy in the twenties

it was built up

so like so i guess i guess a lot of the old bolseviks you know

so where do you where do you get this information

as to whether they were trying to overthrow the government

i don't have direct information i just think it makes a lot of sense that they would have been

you like let me let me tell you why

let tell you why

because stalin represented just a he officially was the will of the party

but there was a lot of factions in the

blish the car you agree with that right

sure those factions then just disappeared you de they persisted

those same cliicques and factions

that were vying for power persisted

so the purges just consolidated that stalin

one out

you know i don't see how what's so unreasonable about the fact that they were

trying to take over and you know they were like those factions didn't just go away to

so do you understand how like

getting rid of those groups like for examples from an idological perspective from an iological perspective a lot of people thought that the direction the soviet union was going

was that it was impossible the russi is too backward we need

you know i

ah

we're enlightened western marxists western educated marxists

and now we're being bossed around by these russian stalinists

a vulgar peasants and stuff

and and i was colonists it's h they were offended it it it's like there was a structural sociological whatever type orical difference yeah

so

do you understand how this could also be seen as a way for stalin to engage in a form of authoritarianism by getting rid of a lot of the political opposition and you angles frederick angles on authority i'm not taking any authoritariansm questions just read that book i don't really care

monsters

sayy if if you're fine with stalin engaging that way and a lot of this information specifically referring to how there was like how was aspects of the older government trying to engage and get rid of stalin whichjust

specifically like supported by someone who isn't even a historian

a or a published his story to be more specific

i mean you can roll that way if if thatand is anything else

i know i mean maybe maybe nico say was right i don't

i'm just t you have to be respectful man it's like there's a lot of people in the queue that's why i'm saying like

sure i'll tell you so if you're not going to be off the basis of like you talkbout materialism right and when it comes to materialism it's probably right that we get our descriptive c claims correct as well correct

okay

you want yeah so if you are getting a lot of your descriptive claims

right

f from a person you know the youre his story in serialism and impiricism

it sounds like you're talking about yourss

sure go for it

ea know i'm just saying like it sounds like you're talking about

empiricism which is based on empirical evidence or whatever materialism something different

materialism analyzes the for example the class essential class

struggle as sure so su so maybe i just use the we word i'm goingf with that i'm not in you think when it comes to

you're not an empiricism no you're not empiricism

i think i think facts

and truth

are very different things

oky

soun like

in wirrical description of phenomena

is a question for the the

technical sciences because

when you're dealing in technical sciences you actually have to know measurements and you have to know exact things s in a technical way to manipulate nature in some way

but when you're dealing with meaning

truth at the level of human meaning

you're not dealing with the raw and bare empirical phenomena you're dealing with the expression of human meaning in reality you're dealing with

stories you're dealing with narratives

you're dealing with ideologies even if the narratives are false

it's like i'm going to sound like dougin

for whom is it false

false for whom false for you

false from the liberal perspective

from another perspective is ho

see

ok ok so so i get this so in one reality where there's the existence of documents in one area of the world and but i'm not there is evidence i'm not denying the imperial evidence but the impirical evidence is not enough to satisfy the truth

that i've just told you about this institutional revolution they may have made empirical lies

as the ornamentation of this historical phenomenon that was unfolding that's true

but

ultimately that doesn't satisfy the truth of the situation

the truth of the situation must also ingate the class analysis the historical analysis

you see the difference

sure but i'm not even talking about the empirical evidence that group used i'm talking about even the existence of that group

and what they were doing

you saying there was no factions in the bolls party that so i'm not saying that

i'm not saying that

in no way i think bukar just changed his ideas about the soviet union

even though from an idiological perspective they were pretty much diametrically opposed to stalins

and the all that just changed and

you know they were just the

that was just that was that

what's so what dore you say you j you're making the stupid argument do we know there was a group

what we don't know with exact certainty in terms of pirical terms is whether they were being paid by germany and all that kind of stuff i couldn't tell you i don't know enough

well the there is there's like there's little to no empirical evidence to support that claim at all

i can't i can't corroborate what you're saying

sure but the basis of what you're gaining a lot of those claims is off the off someone who doesn't actually engage in correct impirss either

grover fir

i didn't mention goober for a all

well that's where a lot of those claims are specifically refer to what's relevant as far as this conversation is concerned

and by the way groer for as far as you know he checks the primary sources

of all these books all these books only use secondary sources

he checks the primary no

so the primary source w i specifically refer to the moscow trials specifically refers to the fact that a lot of like the like the evidence that was used there

to to

ah so specifically in the moscow trials

right probably have to correct myself it wasn't as

it wasn't necessarily as hof right that was a defend of the moscow tribes but in the evidence to support that there was this german german conspiracy right in the trial they're claiming right a you making all claims i can't corroborate i don't know what you're talking about

ok so if you don't know what all we can talk about is

what are the consequences if this was true hypothetically or if it was false hypothetically i cat if the linchpin is the empirical evidence

that's not relevant to a conversation right now

ok like we would have to prepare a debate where i get my evidence and you get your evidence and we squatted out of e thatly you know what i'm saying do you want i just got i' got talk to done talking about ernie sanders now you want to talk about the moscow trials and as of

because you claim to be a stalinist i am like stalinist

but being a stalinist do you think every stalinist has to know every empirical detail no when you so no i already told you that i think it is inessential as to whether

there was direct evidence incriminating ezlov as a german spy i think it's in essential i think even if we just go off the cynical view that it was because of some power struggle that still doesn't make me any less stliinist because that power struggle reflects a real class struggle within the soviet union that's what i've been trying to say dude i'

i'm not doubting your stalinism ok iris you do you ok i believe you're the biggest stalinist out here i don't doubt it ok

all we please get to a point

sure

ok all i'm saying is that if you don't even necessarily have the empirical backing for this position right

if this is no position has the ircal back let me finse no esiological position is based on empirical evidence none so

okay

listen none

what do you mean i don't have the empirical backing for whom do i need this empirical backing to live and breathe as a human being you think i need empirical backing i don't

to be a stls you i don't need empirical backing what are you talking about impirical facts here are not in dispute i am not making empirical claims that are now in dispute and neither are you because we're not dealing with the empirical evidence it is in essential as to the phenomena of stalinism within the realm of our discussion

hey you want to talk about for example evidence then i would say someone who says twenty million people died in thirty two thirty three that's bullshit in terms of evidence right we can go there or if you want to talk about things like the

stalin was personally motivated by power but even stephen coktkin for his evidence he thought he said that stalin even in private was a devoted believer in communist it's like we there are some things where empirical relevance will be relevant

but you cannot say or your position isn't backed by empirical evidence you don't premise a position as a human being based on empirical evidence empirical evidence only becomes relevant when it's in dispute when the faction is your ideology like an american common law the court will say n the court will say the present facts a i'm not questioning your in for i'm not questioning your ideology i'm not saying you're questioning my ideology i'm saying you

thing about how i don't have the empirical evidence to support it is what stupid

for the description that you're providing yeah

so when you're saying right that there is this conspiracy this is what's happen i didn't say even specifically there is a conspiracy i just said those a people who are you do meeting a the facts are in dispute as to the fact that the people who were being purged sociologically represented

the old legacy institutions from the twenties that's the only claim i've made

that's the only thing that you're going to say

for now yes

so do you want to have another debate on the great purge i'm more than more than happy to do that if you want

ah you mean like to schedule one

sure yeah let's go for it

so much s ined you know what oh my chat's going to it's not going to be fair because my chat's going to make me like a super superhero and they're going to prepare me

like they're going to jack me out like

so i had sounds so weird

they're going to like equip me

with bulletproof and give me so much the evidence and i believe in you

i believe in no i'm saying it's not going to be fair to you are you sure you want to do it oh

yeah io most definit infrared i believe in you ok no i don't know i believe i want my chat is going to give me a lot of the evidence

hey i don't doubt it ok listen

i was watching ok ok today i ok listen listen listen add me on discord

but i can't promise you it's going to be within the next week it might be two weeks it might be three weeks that's fine i have a lot of stuff lined up even better

i respect your time and f if you can't do it this week

you're it's completely final next he's going to be after that i'm

wait you do you know modern day debates

ah

what do you mean

modern day debates is like a is like a like a debate platform we can set it up there if you' like they have a moderator and everything yeahye but i need time to know when to schedule it you know sure yeah you know i'll talk to him and i'll send you a couple dates whenever you're ready ok ok ok that sounds fine ok

'll well i'll discord friend you ok nice at meeting you in for ok send me a friend request on thiscur just

okay okay bye bye

se you

be

uick guys i got to go to the gym like

soon

so let's take only a few more i can't do everyone i don't think

who's hostile right now

who's hostile that wants to debate

tyromanser what's up

ok tyro maansers a freedom guy

what's up tyro manser what do you want to say

who's a proril poet

they're not in the thing

where's april p poet

april ploet

they're gone

tyro mancer are you here

yeah you can you hear me yeah i can hear you what's up

oh great ok

so i'm going to challenge you on what you were saying about the sinco

well i sing ok right

yeah

ya okay so um

is

ideas were completely discredited by other soviet scientists even at the time

like they didn't even need

to know the only the money my friend

ok

and

yeah

though he had a

his contemporaries we you ok just for background i'm aware of the allegation that that's the case i'm aware of the it's fact

you know i'm aware of the allegations made in this wd you don't have to repeat them just give me what is the decisive fact that i said that's going to you know ho water

well he believed that

if you took

uh seeds you put them in cold water then they would adapt to the cold and so

h what is that rnalization russi i was right

know he was wrong no he was right was he was ramans he was right

no millions of people died ok you're going to say he was wrong and millions of people died i'm going to say he was right and he actually helped production

how is i going to help us

but there's evidence to support that millions of people died because i think the evidence is sentcle isn't the reason millions of people died

i don't just you just don't believe in any evidence i don't believe in that evidence

i'm not convincing i can pick and choose your evidence

yeah i'm not convinced by that evidence

really the whatight evidence would convince you because there is no evidence my friend there is no solid concrete evidence show me the evidence that like besides some guy

some liberal buthurt scientists saying this show me where you can concretely show

that lyicencles ideas of vertilization were completely wrong

ok the mass realization thing was what was right corpses

what i know people died youspring you need to establish the cause you need to establish that he was the causal factor

ok well the corrpses do

get the fuck out of youre man you're fucking amateur you stupids fuck the corpuses you not a debate and reason you're testing my patients

yeah i i do and i know it's based on facts do which facts are under dispute though

you keep talking about facts but you cannot establish on me which ones are under dispute

n no no

none of the facts are under dispute jason on ruen wants to come on are wheres jason

where's jason i'm going to keick your bit chesss out of jason wants to come on jason's an o g loss man

sorry dude

ok

hold on you can stay on for now you can stay on for now let jason come on ok

ok so jason's going to come on with us

the fake route oh is it fake judge jason

is it a real underriing

ok

no way it's the real jason are you truly the real jason all right

then we'll not wre the jason speak

are you the real jason

it's a troll guys

do you guys a pretty ca oh sorry i was onmuted

are you the real jason ruq

yes no fuckingway

yeah serious

for reo

go go message my twitter oh it tie manser i'm and i'll have to cut it short but i can't wait wait wait yeah

oh you want to keep theim back i bring thehim back

can i turn my camera on

yeah i'll try to capture you actually

no it's not trual i'll turn my camera on

noo like i'll try to capture you for the show like i'll turn on my o b s and

try to capture the window

bech on the camera

yeah that's what i mean

i

okay okay let me see i'm going to go on

so the chack can see you i mean or do you want to be seen bmy shat or not

hello

hello ok yeah

do you want to be seen on a stream or not it's up to you

can you hear me

yeah i can hear you yeat do you want to be seen on stream

i don't care whatever sure

i think

serious trure

can't capture you

okay it's okay it's not working

all right guys it is the real jason by the way sounded f ok sorry man was's up

then it was going on

i saw your thing with h

fush the other day and we just got destiny

we just got this in earlier too

yeah i i saw that thing with bosh and uh i can tell you i'm not bosh i'm a different guy and i'm still bleeding from that

can't do is focking crazy dude i've

i've seen your o g videos like from ten years ago you've been

you've been around for a long time then

well i've got no other life so you know

dude i wish i could captu you because like

not it's an honor me it's honestly a fucking honor you're like a celebrity

in the fok i've been meaning to it up for a while really you've known abot shis good

have you have you actually known about us

yeah not very long but yeah

it

that's why i here

m

what's up man how you doing

okay that um

that uh

what was it lcinco

yeahy licincle i' talkings you micincle tyro you there

yeah i'm here a he's here

so what was the the single thing about he was saying that are you do are you licencle pilled or not

that's the thing i'm trying to actually remember what it is

he's the guy who

didn't believe and myself the guy who rejected in many gen genetics he had his own genetics that

bit more idea

ideologically with the soviet union

so they like that except

itn't with tyro star making our believes no we're not going to debate right now but this is objective fact this isn't doo tyros i mem just not how debates work you don't just come and say this is the objective fact we lay out where we are first and then we can express our arguments and's not making i ust you know lod to dec just trying to

catch him up okay

okay um

i'm going to have to i'm going to have to admit my ignorance on this this subject it's all right it's all right i

i'm not debating something i don't know so you know

y but that's generally a bad idea

but anyway um

h from honestly from what i've heard

oh

he was wrong

unless

keep in mind that i'm only hearing this from my third furthan sources that's a right do know not a lot of people are

licycle billed or whatever you know like it's a

it's not a pill it's a kind of range thing you know

there scientists there scientists in china right now and in russia

who are looking back at l centcle and they realize that he's been slandered and dragged through the mud and there were a lot of things right about him no you know

they were saying that no he was wrong the whole time i can link to an article on natures published wrong for tyro i can link to article published on nature of chinese scientists

saying that

lysenco was unfairly treated and there were some things he got correct

you want me to link it to you

ok but his main i don't know maybe he got one small thing noo there was a lot of his ideas that overall theories failed

okay then

why were the crop yields

lower once they started trusting us some people argue that licencle increase the crop yields you know that the arguments are different

ok if you increase the crop yields then why do people die

w they start well because there were reasons for the famine that he couldn't offset

is the point

he couldn't offict

the reasons for that which fairmment are we talking about i think someat the one in forty eight or forty seven forty eight

and there were also there was the ones that maw cause because

now listen to the soviet union but everyone gives a doillion different reasons for mous nmins

so there's a billion numbers everyone gives the one where

he was he believed it so much they told everyone that

guys we're going to have a massive

uh surplus this year eat as much as you want you can

go crazy so ok we know there was a no no no no no no no ok i know that's not true

n know i know it is true now even repeatedly warned throughout the media b not took over not to

not to ah inflate numbers

see jas do it

js said not to do it it people still didn't do it it was mau even said that it was like hundred sixty two

fifteen million people die

do we know stop repeating facts that are not under dispute we know a lot of people died in a famine we're trying to get you the reasons why and you're making sure up no it's because they were using the sanchosm to grow the crops

jason jason i with a chow you've been in this for ten years

you've been in this for ten years

and all these idiots you talk to how do you remain so calm

honestly this is the first time i've ever heard lsancle blamed for china

really

wow

that's like a neo what i goy start on a new what i understand

famines were in it were were common throughout all of china's history

they happen all the time

but they one hasen under socialism and then never again

that's

not true

ok ok wait so all right so it happened under socialism and now that that

russia is under capitalism and now that china is under state capitalism

now they don't happen

so are you saying that it was socialism be cause the famines

know how would is it the mismanagement of socialist countries

or was it was sying thos stupid theories

ok first i'm still looking for some evidence that china had anything to do with lisingle you might be able to argue the soviet union i don't know you do' know said to be very don't know what you fair licencos ideas a well sincos ideas were adopted in china but this guy saying that licenco was the reason there was a famine when everyone gives a billion when it's much more sensible to recognize that the cause of the famine was because such a

tremendous change in the relations of agricultural production

that that's much more sensible to all the sents theories of the reason doesn't make any sense

no theories were disproved by scientists at the time they listen had tyro tyro they were never disproven it's just that there was a german scientist who claimed to try and reproduce like licenco's results independently and he said that he failed to do it but licenco's method

and there's no evidence he actually takenway to gs and killed there's no evidence that he actually was trying in good faith

to reproduce licencle by adopting his actual cost why would you triumphantly

why would he try and bad thing because lysenco was coming from a different scientific paradigm that the one adopted in the west

was dogmatically mendellion darwinistic and metaphy licentle was more dialects more so do not speak over me no you' going to give me pissed you're going to give me pissed you're going to give me pissed stop speaking over me i'm letting you on my show you're nobody and i'm letting you on my show stop speaking over me i'm so frustrated sorry jason i i'm at these oburs

se

sert that

like a

you keep speaking over me and i'm trying to just talk i know what you're trying to say you haven't said anything of any new value that people haven't been repeating before what is your point

do you want to have a conversation or do you just want to spew propaganda

and say your piece so everyone can hear what the media and what stephen pinker has already told us

are you going to answer

oh i'm sorry what was that

do you want to have a conversation about this or do you simply want to assert

what the mainstream scientific establishment has already been telling us

no i do want to have a conversation about ok but what's wrong with the mainstream scientific establishment

the mainstream scientific establishment

dismissed licencle unfairly

and

how did they do that because therepos a knowledge of lsenco's ideas

involves very little contact with li not only licencles own writings which are extremely accessible but licenes very specific and careful and cautious method

oka

is that all

no no no ok

so if lasinko's ideas were so good

and it actually

was a better system of growing crops

then why do we not use them now

be will they are rediscovering them now if they're just calling it epigenetics

well why did why did no one i

use it back then

so if they were so good why did uh the soviet union have

a decrease and crop yield

you could you say they had a decrease but lysentus will argue that there was an increase and there was a noticeable increase when you can actually isolate whether his

methods were decisive

but n okay have you ever uh grown plants

no i'm not a plant grower

is that all

no no noo ok have you ever planted a garden or raise plants i kind of want to talk to jason man

is there anything else

what so you're just conceding you lost ok noo let's continue since you want to challenge i haven't gorone ok plans goe

mh hmm

so you haven't

ok well i have

and if

ah

you take your seeds and you put them in cold water

for a long time it will kill them

they will not adapt

that ok its but that wasn't my circle was doing he mas method was much more particular meticuloate and careful and specific you're slandering him and trying to make him look like an idiot

you don't think you think that be that kind of but you don't think there were plant growers in the soviet union who just had that basic common sense you're coming from pad basic common sense and you're underestimating the extent to which this shit really was in dispute and there were heated debates and heated controversies it was not a one way street where sinkle was just saying absurdities and everyone else was self evidently right that's not what happened ok there was a serious debate about it and you're not

giving licencle the proper respect even if you completely reject him and say he was wrong actually you have to give him the credit

the necessary credit of recognizing his ideas were

particular enough to not be self evidently wrong which is why there was a debate about them not only within the soviet union but in the united states

a

p'ch partic peculiarly

only after the cold war escalated in the early fifties wre i sink was ideas thoroughly rejected in the united states for political reasons

and there we actually wasn't much of a debate beuse there was and i can know this is where i can this is where i can this is where

you really messed up

there was a debate in the united states where there were biologists who were sympathetic to lysancle their objective we were

i can ok book that i had eight in the united states

and the lsancoists lost

yet they lost for political reasons though

no because they cannot a

drummre no they didn't they lost for strictly political reasons because the cold war heated on and the anti licenco was started making shit up about licenco to paint him as a as an absurd foreign russian guy or whatever and then they just lost out it was the result of the political climate in the situation but wouldn't this be pretty easy to test use senco's methods on one btch licencos method and they're very conutious particular and meticulous

it's

and they were not nobody was seriously trying to reproduce them in good faith

whether in america or elsewhere very few people were trying to reproduce licencle before you reproduce his method you have to accept his paradigm no one wanted to accept his paradigm so his method was not being reproduced

what about the lsankosts in the united states that you said we're having the debate

they didn't want to

pret they were i'm not because they were not they were normal biologists who were sympathetic to moderately sympathetic to licencos ideas they were't licen was fanatic fanatics who were like you

who had a vested interest to defend lysenko it's only because of the political situation of the soviet union in america's temporary

alignment because of world war two that they just kind of opened their minds at all the licenkle guy he might be interesting but at no point did they fully appreciate or adopt his paradigm

fully is what i'm trying to say so the

deliberately sabotaged

their experience is that what i saying that is that what i said well you said that the din't callse methods to display and didn't seriously try to reproduce licincos experiments

why not

because they didn't accept his paradigm in the first place that was what was under dispute

so here wasn't much of a debate in the united states about it then there was a huge desate

well there clearly wasn't because no one tried to

the linsing of the acceptability of l sincs ideas did not only rest upon whether they could be empirically verified it was how genes should how the hered ability should be even conceived and thought of

it was an issue at that level it wasn't just about let's do the same thing sink it was doing to crops and see it how it

pans up

it's about the the

the whole issue of genetics was such a fresh science at this time

so many things were up in the air

you know so many before you could do all these tests like how you're saying

there was a there was an internal struggle within the paradigm itself

well one of the tests you could do is use the sancos methods on one field of

h

pro did anyone do that

yes who did that they did in the soviet union and they did it in maoist china

and no you're making shit ou there now you're saying that your evidence your evidence for licen was failure is that there were famines in the soviet union in china i'm saying listen gose methods were nowhere near decisive enough

and those famines lasted a few years beyond those years there was an increase in grain yields and all that kind of stuff so your argument is completely stupid

um now the years that theseed sinkos methods the

people starve so that's your evidence tyrom answered do you concede the debate then that's your only evidence because you're conceding of that's your only evidence

now its my other evidence is

of the concept of mendellan genetics that has been verified by there is there is contradictions in holes in mendellan genetics no there is there are yes there evidence yes there are i'll look it up right that we have nnledge now inconsistency is in mangellan genetics let's go mendellion genetics inconsistencyes

mandellion genetics

proven persy

yeah

non mendellan genetics is what it's called if there's mo non mendellan genetics that means mendel's view of genetics

was not

correct

no just because there's people that oppose it doesn't mean no there is not going wellion genetics that have been proven to be real

there is non mendellion mechanisms of herred ability

that means mendel

wasn't getting it right

no he got it right no he you know no no no there were someing no no no no scientists no n no facts corresponded to mendel's experiments but he did not suficiently explain those facts because there are forms of net non mendellion inheritance that are proven

um

kind of but not really

okay

would

you're just wish sure wi washings a full picture at the time when he was just cross breeding plants on the roof of his monastery but others i mainstream its has moved beyond mendel please don't defend mendelge my time i know but he's the base he is like the

he is to genetics like isaac newton is to physics

unless you don't believe that isaac newton

okk

but what about mendel did lysenco reject

he was vindicated

it's like saying einstein was an idiot because he rejected newtonian physics

now

einstein did not reject newtonian physics he actually

there i also you don't think that there's things about einstein's h

contribution to physics that are incompatible with newtonian physics

no there is not there's nothing incompatible with the laws of newtonian foks in now in the

he filled in the uh two blanks that uh

newton had discovered and then all of pysics after him has been about but newton didn't only discover new newton didn't know you selectively choosing

newton

well i i was just using it as an example okay

there's a lot of things within newtonian physics that can't be ex there's a lot of things discovered by einstein

and a modern physics that can't be explained within newtonian physics

m

yeah because you need einstein's framework to understand ok

so you need to add on more discovery don't want to talk oftsy sued what's let's get back to thegre you don't know anything about no it's just that i'm unlimited time you fuking so talking disrespectful youking idiot and i'm trying to work with m and now you disrespect me you say because i don't want to go off into at tentsion about physics that i'm dodging the point i'm scared to argue with you about physics you came on wanted to talk about

dics it's been like a fucking hour state your fucking business in your fucking point you only evidence you fucking have that you think sink was wrong is that you're accusing him for being responsible for the famines in russia and china i'm saying that's bullshit do you have anything else to fuck and say

well i just

have science to point to and you wo science anything else i

you can see so i'm saying fox science you can see it now i don't concee i think you're con seding right now no you conceding i'm telling you folx science anything else to say

and

well if you don't believe in science i don't really know how you believe in anything ok don't believe in gravity you don't believe why should i care so why should i carething

you think the earth is flat

no i don't care what you think clearly science means something different for you than what it means to me science for you is something that in a cock like way you are pointing to to dodge any meaningful discussion in conversation i'm saying i don't care that you want to use these loaded terms that you think are imbued with so much authority to close your mind to anything that's not accepted in these mainstream american institutions i don't care about this word you're using science so do you have anything else to say

so when you just haven't graduated sixth grade

this is like the you want to keep insulting me anything else to say

am

i don't know i

i

you conceded pussy get the fluck out of my now i conceded you conceded

he conceded

tyro thanks for conceding by the way

thanks forreqceding

h i'm going to give you a piece of advice

wash your

watch your blood pressure

dude you don't know how trigger this shit makes me you don't know how you good to disrespect i a mean i do ma

i

but i mem i'm go to this you're right you're right you're right i got to learn to be more calm

but it's like go and watch our video where we debated washs fans

and i was like calm the whole time

and our guy asra was with me and heven he exploded in anger

because he just couldn't take how stupid these people were

vot blue no matter who

allright i'm sorry for that man i'm super sorry for that no no don't

did you show

yeah so what's up mat

honestly i have never heard of lisangle being responsible for the famines in chin the famine in china

i've never heard that

that's a complete new one for me

yeah

i know like even mao himself said twenty said eighty percent policy twenty percent weather

and one of the policy was him repeatedly warning don't overestimate numbers to look good

mean don't exaggerate numbers to look good

and

the famine didn't just hit china it hit vietnam and north korea as well

or korea as well

dude it's just that

these people are like n p c s you try to reason with them

and they say ah the science disagrees it's like how is that a basis of any kind of discussion

it's strange i said

famines were incredibly common throughout the history of china

one happens under socialism and then never again

so you're admitting socialism is the problem

no

socialism ended it

should we bring him back in

if you really want to sacrifice your health for that what

as well

hello isral

i can't hear you ma'm

ok we just a saying i'm conceding

let's bring him back ok tyro

hello tyro

tyro was here and he's not talking so who's conceding

oh oh i'm sorry oh oh i don't know you ant me back yeah well you conceded now but but so you haven't been conceded yet

what's that

so so you haven't conceded yet n know you've already concededm hadering

i'm wondering why pople are saying i've conceded so you thought you could be bos you thought you could be destiny but

looks like i be ok i'm going to have you want all somee that's a i'm going to have you on all nights how do we do it that way tyro

want to do it that way i need to it's

ph wew

crass someing

oka sure you're aady want to talk about

and n tyro we just had a discussion and it sounded like you conceded what's what's the point i you have any new point to make that i didn't already address what that i did notre not already address

you didn't address any of it ok what did i not address you don't believe in science

what's that i you didn't address any of the facts noo you brought up science in completely irrelevant way and i qualified how you use the word science do you have anything to say about my rebuttal against you

i

don't believe it was adequate i why not said response to my rebuttal why was o it wrong

i mean

because you just said you know believe in science

ok and why is that inadequate because i've qualified how you used you used the word science your use of the word science means that the fucking you have a very special word significance of the word science i've qualified what that was do you have a rebuttal to what i said or do you want to concede the debate

but we're talking about scientists and yeah you don't know what you're talking about

and how have you proven that tyrol have you proven that in any w because you say you don't believe in empirical evidence and you don't believe in science when did i say that

when did i say i don't believe in empirical evidence in our debate you can remind your stream when did i say i don't believe in empirical evidence you used the word science in a specific way i said f your science sd you don't believe in empirical evidence when did i say it said that at the beginning when did i say remind your stream a few minutes i said i don't believe in empirical evidence

yeah you said you know so so if we rewinded this and i didn't say that will you concede

now i won't consie you won't concede that so you have right

what's that i know i'm right you're not right you're conceding the debate castling i'm listen tyro tiro tyro tyro tiro t you don't know what a madman i am i will speak to you for thirty six hours straight until you get the fuck out of youre out of your own volition now you challenge me

you came with that

yeah sure ok i'm going to be here for forty eight hours how about that we're going to stream for forty eight hours until you leave

all right let's go ok

i mean i

i don't know you might want to move on to like another no i'm not going to i'm not going to i'm going to press you on this topic because you're saying i'm conceding because i don't want to talk to you about this anymore

like little bats you are continue for fifty hours seventy hours a fucky matter keep challenging me and saying i'm backing out

keep challenging me tyro keep challenging me

keep challenging me

i don't know thousand hours

how long do you want to go

i will go for a week straight with no sleep see the tires out first

ok

all right let's go

can be fine i'm going to like walk around

good so good but you better keep talking if you are silence for two minutes i'm kicking you out you can see it that's my rule if you're silence for two minutes in two minute time spened youre silent i'm kicking you out

if you kick me out that means you can see n know it doesn't n know it doesn't i just told you the rules of this debate

no yeah no it doesn't so you're not accepting the debate you conceded

no no i accept your debate ok it for two minutes you are silence i'm kicking you out because you lost the debate because that's an admission of defeat on your part

okay

well if you're silent for two minutes then

that's fine i'm not going to be you lost i'm not going tof you ick me out before the two minutes ok that's mine title we're going to keep that this

ok

all right so why don't we talk about no i'm not going to talk about anything new we're going to press on what we already established press on what we already established because i'm not conceding on this i'm not conceding on this what we already established so you better say something new

um

why do i have to say something new you just disregarded everything i brought up before

no because i'm not conceding on these points

ok proof to me that was shenko was correct

i don't need to prove to you you was correct you came on to disprove it to me and you failed anything else

no i didn't fail you failed you did fail you didn't persuade me or my audience what was your goal then

hm oh no no no no one's going to be convinced by these debates i don't

i haven't demonstrated anything froan you haven't denisty turn your camera on ti i want to se you turn your camera no

no why not turn your camera on that's then you're conceding if you don't turn your camera on

that no i'm you can see if you kick me out we already know i know i know i'm not conceding if i kick you out actually tyro i'm not conceding i th you know about no

i brought you back in the only reason i brought you back in tyro is because you're making it seem like you bringing up a point that i can't respond to but i've responded to all your points and you haven't responded to any of mine so do you have anything new to say do you have anything new to say tyro anything new to say

yeah

mmhmm

i do about this topic that that's completely blindsided me about this licenco debate go ahead

ok was sanco stole his rech search like

ok keep talking out of your ass i'm going to just say youre are anything else

prove it to me prove it to me prove it

prove it to me well nothing i bring up will if i kick him all the

pus is not conceding the the bass i'm it just i cannot

tolerce

on people being stupid

yes well i don't know how you're ho you sat through

sorry was

what happened to him he' s kicked out of the discord

no i can the more

because i because i just can tolerate this um

he wasn't bringing any new point

he wasn't bringing any new point

yes is meaningless at this point and besides a lot of people are in the show queue who have probably have much better things to say

um

so for dear sake i kicked the od on

unfortunately for the sake of our audience for the sake of the hundred sixty people whos currently watching now

all right that's why you i'm a fucking nut case man

i'm sorry man i'm just a fucking

i say you' got to

as was intervening for the show you know he's intervening for the show say

you've got to learn to chill or you're going to lose your mind

oh i just want to say one little thing about

that the lat one of the last thing he mentioned the thing is mendolian genetics

even by the most mainstream

by like literal high school textbook on biology has been recognized as like grossly inadequate

um

i don't know why anyone puts like the old strict

di squeeze ging past into another

mendallions geneticas uh on a pedestals being proven that it's only work in the specific condition and it

actually very coincidental that the mendellion piece turn out the way it is there are numerous

quoquote exception tomndolguneics thaty have

even in high school biology

ya dude

do not what i kills me is

it's unfair to jason you know because

it's just unfair i du you know like another reason though i did that is just you knowf this it were a regular debates between you two jas you coming on for you coming on

made my night more than fuck and dusty

you know

oh no problem

because you like an established guy you know like we disagree about a lot of things but

i respect you just because you've been in it for so long you know

no youuess s it i haven't uh

don't have anyth anywhere to go right but let me let me tell you something matter

don't you find it curious that

ten years ago and i was kind of with you ten years ago

we radical leftists were so fringe

right

suddenly it becomes mainstream

that's what makes me suspicious

really

there was somebody who put a tweet out

on twitter

uh it was like showing the people who made the most amount of money on patron and the top ten of them were like

you know like like so called anti capitalists

yeah i mean i would i would argue that a lot of them probably aren't because they're telling you to o biden and i'm sorry you don't get to call yourself and a to caps what you're telling you

by

you don't you don't get to do that

is

y

boh contra points

and some other people and i'm like you know there's a reason probably a reason why they're up there and i'm not

yeah

i mean im

it's crazy man

you know

i think

stop streaming just oh fuck dude i'm so stupid

sorry i i

i'm still i'm still streaming destiny stream

let me try to capture you honestly

there has to be a way to make this work

im

let's see ad a new source at new source the see

discord

this is got a yeah ok this kind of looks like it works

all right i think this is what i can do

is i can just make this

dobod to tweet out this this chat

i going to be the extreme

it's entirely a

up to you i would appreciate it if you don't have to i mean

so no i'll do it

yeah appreciate it ma'am

i

by the way iss if you want to turn your camera on to i got you both

so

ok

i don't think my present laptop can handle it so ok i was o canid you me know yeah is my face

anyone m

anyone uh anyone who wants to come on

from our internal wever just top on and you i'll capture your face be come on

i

ah

yes sre so you're goinga you're going to have a heart attack

to each other

did id and you act genuinely

get it got angry at that other guy though he's the only one i got angry at tonight like i know i've blown my top at people you and i blew my top a muk

a while back

oh sure

although i kept together with some

um sargon

oh yeah

noh that one that one was okay

sorry we're going to have to face all these people us in forred we're out here challenging everybody

and all these people what up henry man how you doing

what's up guys what's up

spen a spen a crazy night

we peek to fifty viewers on you tube and we one hundred if it makes you feel better i've never gotten that many views on live stream i think the most weve gotten sixty

really

well my streams are

i'll admit my stream sock

im

i heard you mad mns for fallouts

when i when i did a stream with cala bop and it was higher

but that's only because he was there

i heard you h

i heard you make mauds for a fall up

yeah i di

dude that's crazy you know i used to download a lot of mods for skyrom

sky yeah

um

yeah i have a i have a page on the um the nexus yeah nexus

i never got too much into follow ut but on

tanky sounds like some commi proud boy

ah when did you start out jason when was like the first time you

began to identify with like ma was and all that kind of stuff

ah

it was

it was not long after nine eleven actually no i think it might have been about two thousand and three

two thousand and

no shit dude that's

how have you stayed consid how have you

kept the flame alive cacuse there's a lot of people

who dropped

left is i like a

like an old toy after like a few years you know

you know what that's the funniest thing i don't know

i really don't know

well then

you know i was i remember i remember i started with leftism when

i left high school and i left high school

in one nine hundred ninety nine

n no nine hundred two thousand two thousand was the year that i left high school

oh yah

and i remember this was like only a few years after nafta was passed and they start

busting down all the union jobs and sending them to mexico

from from nafta

and this also at this that same time as the dot com bubble burst

and it was the always the yeah this is the greatest country in the world in knows canada is the greatest country in the world you can do whatever you want you can accomplish anything in

on my face appears to be frozen

on it's because that's my stupid computer i have to keep the discord

ah

right here and then'll be fine

should be unerstand

i you know i worked at a lot of temp jobs doing you know like shit work here shit work there

you know just

the usual three days here through these are going to job at a furniture store

we're going to the warehouse

the

furniture comes in i assemble it and then take it out to the to to the show floor people come for deliveries you know i

pick up the furniture give it to them

and i'm sitting there on a break

and

there's like you know they have those like um

like displays for each of the pieces of furniture like this is what a living room would look like with all the with all the shit and disct like a bookcase and it's got a whole bunch of books that were just rammed in there

because just to make it look full

and i looked over in the commis manifesto slwk pick it up

start of reading it now

andus is starting to make some sense

no shit ha

okay yeah this actually this uh you know

all things have changed through classroom ok ok yeah yeah

and then i started going online and and reading stuff from like people who've who've written about marxism and plain english and it was like

man this actually explains why a lot of shits happening

no shit ah

and it was one of those things where i don't know if other people ever had this

but like

when you leave high school and you go into the real world

and then

you notice that it's so different from the way you wt

told it was going to be

mmhmm

and everything feels fake and

i don't know it just it didn't seem right

and then

you know what

this actually started explaining

why that is

and then the more i learned the more i learned was like oh

ok yeah this really does explain a lot of stuff

yeah okay this is starting to make a lot of sense this idea this ideology seems like it might be right for me and before that i didn't have an ideology

wasn't even something that i thought about

now

id i didn't even have an ideological position throughout high school and all that

so i mean technically i went from

n nothing to marcis

i came in with a clean slate i didn't even

i wasn't even anything before i was a marxist

i had some right wing tendencies but

other than that

no

it's really interesting you know on

and then okay i just want to make well go another story w i went and i got a hammer and sickle tattoo when i was

twenty one something like that

i got

i don't know if you could see that here

been

wow

i got a hammer and sickle tattoo when i was twenty one

and then my mother saw it

it's funny at the time my mom was was standing and ran so youn imagine how that went

oh yeah

definitely

oh fa

du then it's been a that's a long time you know that's a longline i got to

this

and

yeah dude that's just

nothing

nothing did more for pushing me down the path of radicalization than the real world kicking me in the ass

oh wow

you know i

it's got to be tough to sustain that for such a long time you know

on

just based like the media and all that kind of stuff

i was i was thinking that

because also because it's like

just the scenario of the

just the scenario itself

is super tough

like h the environment of how like fringe leftism and radical leftism specifically was at that time

i think

this whole thing kind of propelled

i think there we was two events that propelled leftism to popularity again

i

well there's a few there is the occupy thing which had the political stuff

and then there was the cultural war with game regade

and that was that but the difference with that one was that

it was an indirect psurgence of the left which means

the people breathing the left back into existence was entirely the right wing

the culture warlik

they were propping up this idea of cultural marxism

my favorite word yeah and that wasn't actually coming from any like marxist you know

it was just like youking man that they created they breathed existence into it you know

that always really confused me about the whole game or gate thing i really had an opinion of

who cares

i personally didn't really give a fuck about it you know it's like

i i'm going not

i understood why some people cared i mean if you do suffer from a lot of alienation and video games become important to you as a way of coping then i can see why

that would have an effect

but

i guess it was because i was already an adult by then

who is already thinking about global wealth divide and

and stuff like that

that it may be just because i'm an adult that it didn't it didn't seem that important to me

yeah

i

i can definitely see that it was definitely surprising to me

i'm just generally younger than you but uh i think me was around twenty

thousand and

some like twelve years old or something so super young

but around that time is when i started to make a slow transition to

marxism

and by two thusyd eleven i was fully in you know into it

before occupy wall street and before the arab spring

yeah i remember trying to cover the arab spring

yeah it's a

but i mean i feel like i'm on the same boat with you in a sense that i've also along with many other people probably hear in the chat

like we

been here before

it became like a little trend

that

you know with bread tou and all like kind i can o not to be a hipster or whatever like we were school but we all have similar perspectives in just kind of being a little bit baffled at

the direction taken by like what it means to be a leftist

guess

one of the things that i noticed and i'm probably going to guess you probably noticed the same thing too

when i started out with marxism

all the marxis were older than me

and they all had all this knowledge that i didn't have

and then as the years went by the average marxist

in my age

going going one day i was the same age as most marxist and

now as i'm getting older it seems like all the marxists are staying about this age and i'm just getting older

yeah

definitely

i mean which makes me wonder how paul cock shot feels

i mean sorry by by marxist standards

there was a

howard z in though right wh he wasn't a really big marxist was he

howardson

housson he lasted toi like ninety nine or something right

yeah

he lested really all

i guuse i've noticed a lot of people it's usually six months to two years

six months or two years

i see a lot of people come in and then they disappear

but i know there's been a few people who've last it i

riskier tvs lasted

oh caleb moppin

why he might have even been going before me

yeah i know caleb's

he's really been this

been in this long time

there's some people who've been doing it a long time h

but yeah i mean it's weird it's like the longer this goes on the more it keeps being proven true to me

i think that's probably a good way of putting it

mhmm

yeah i h

i mean we we

we intervened at this specific time because we think no was

a really decisive point in his

i think that there's really a genuinely a battle between leftism and radical liberalism

and i think that

with the election of biden in this case

radical liberalism is about to take over

you know there's a lot of ways of describing it but it seems to be this type of

um

this type of like

silicon valley you know

almost illiberal kind of like

new i mean we know it's liberal right

but by liberal standards it appears illiberal this unprecedented

almost uh

authoritarianism of censorship and

ah

we're all in danger i think you know not just haing de platformed i think we're all in in danger in some

sense i mean how long before people like me and you

are going to be accused

of being foreign saboteurs

who are a threat to

threat to our democracy you know or you're from canada so

m

yeah oh i mean all they'd have to do is turn around and say oh look the big scary iran he works for the scary iran

yeah yeah that yeah i'm sure they've already piled on you with that one

oh i know my channels being suppressed and me personally it's a lot of problems for me because i come from a lebanese shia background

my pocets it i'm in a tough spot and you know but it's ok

as the british like to say it's dmb bloody islams it is yeah yeah

um

ah

but you know uh

i think it is inevitable we're going to be banned

maybe in some capacity just because we're not really familiar with the rules you know

but we probably are breaking some rules

but

i think at some point you know you tube and twitch are going to not be

the b maybe ok

for politics there has to be a new platform that's going to emerge you know because it's kind of getting out of hand you know

if parler can come back from the dead

i mean

o to see the problem with those alternative platforms are so politicized you know it's like only trump supporters and only wriight is

i're mostly using them

i think the only way we're going to get a genuine internet two point zero

is by accident

that anyone who wants to design one has a political motivation so it's going to be politically charged

not

isn't that what this it's is not what the dark web is supposedly for

oh yeah yeah

but it's just not that accessible you know go and slow shit

yes

o

unimonia is here

what's up i actually thought you were hordy

you have we have very similar avatar yeahyea you thought so too henry

yeah i did at first but then i looked at the name but yeah the avatar like the color scheme of it and like yeah it's very similar

wow

so my avatar it's a painting and by the way i'm about to go back inside and i'll be inside the whole time no i'm being noise

well anyway we can't hear

my avatar

my avatar is a painting by the painter max backman

is jorgia fan by any chance

he might come on and ask

no

yeah i'm not sure i'm not sure if he is or not

mhmm

yeah

his his avatar it seems like it it seems like it's probably also a painting but i also don't uh

really know know a lot of i don't know anything about it

yeah i mean all i know about my own situation is that like

the entire setup at the moment cardly reads i take myself too seriously but you know

here i am

we got to update our title

we had update our title for twitch one second

flw

you're muted you're muted right now

now no no no

do you hear me

well i can hear you everon

so you are asking a my abou

yes

so you are asking that like i a third

orve some feedback

it up

and let me capt you

yeah

ah

about your question my calendar

it is from a mooral moralist painting

hoorgey gonzalez camarina

eight

the name of the painting is prescencia and america latina

ac sence in m latin america

present

thans

in latin america

hojrjuey gozalez camerina

what a title

now

a moralist a good moralis let me show you the book like papers let me show you the book where he sent me

a few years back i still always look at this book its such a single

yeah hoor hoori sent me this as a gift and it's a paint it's ah a book a collection of mexican muralist paintings and it's a well know well uh ahah

i actually i'm not watching the you tube right now because i'm on my phone yet so i can see it can you turn the video on the discord

call

brooklyn i can't i can my cameras a already being used

i got to go real quick but i'm probably going to jump back in later if the stream is still going on ok see later henry

henry owes me a debate

and

yeah i just give you like some examples but not

they're really well done

salmonadian they're really well done high quality

prince like i need to whatever you i'm about to go on my computer i'm sorry that my

every time i come on it's so dann scott

let me punis that because this is a fucking ns i can't

this is like you know it does yeah we'll talk about it

yeah m

jason are you on stream right now

yes i am

i'm like a fan of your for a minute

thank you

and i just had a question for you

sure

o which is

which is the song

on it

it's the most recent one

o recently at least for me it's been silent

but it was

do do do do to do do to do to do do to do all that's time forward

so it's an old soviet song

oh the soviet song okay

yeah they that was actually the song used for the soviet national news broadcast

no kidding

i was actually just using the same one

the thir thir tw three thir the the

oh

i used it for a while but the thing is sooner or later copyright is going to catch it

you know we

yah

we've been violating that big time

you know the whole copyright thing

no i i stand you know it's a soviet song

i don't i don't care that any some capitalis that youution can come in and just say oh yeah we own it now you know what fuck you

well you don't get to own it

but that does kind of piss me off when they take marxis stuff and then they just monetize go kill yourself

it's getting rid twich is especially ridiculous about the whole d m c a thing

you sell thats really intell

because you know how are you supposed to um

do a stream without music

yeah

you know and so hard to stally one of the scariest prospects of streaming in my opinion

would be trying to not get d m c it on the music i want to use

like

he the issue is that

before stream starts there's a few things that prolong the streams ability to start

sometimes i'll spend thirty minutes

thinking of a good title a good thumb nail and most importantly good music to start the stream with

sometimes i got to play something last minute but

like every single ream i like

really think about like everything has to work together you know also then you can also help me i have a similar question about an opening song

for you has

much like jason and thank you jason

by the way this is amazing hopefully this is helping some other people out of there

on but

it was

i think you can't stop the inevitable was the name of the stream

yeah

me but it opened with the

a song i guess i mean acoron was on the hook

were sitting it was uh

styles p my life

styles where i was a stylespek my life

wll no i the one ok i s no yeah it was my wife

this one

the

a you're not turning into the stream so you can' hear

now's the song

is it the common

and then what was what was the line it was something about you know i'm a man so i cry

the mind

i don't remember that

specific lyc i don't think but i think it's the same

i think i'm just going to find a band and say hey can you guys make me like a five to ten second intro

i mean if you could get you know a live rendition of one of those archival

oh

you know cuts like that like the soviet news song with like a live band i feel like that would be really cool

yeah

i hit up a punk band in ireland and i was like can you do a punk version of that song like just you know five to ten seconds of it

the

so and i've been listening recently to a lot of like

you know something so interesting about china is how

the

i don't think it's like totalizing but at least there seems to be some degree of free reiin on like doing renditions of like the old red songs

oh do china doesn't give a shit about copyright

yeah exactly you know and therere you know and i'm just like

you know i heard this like rock version of socialism is good

and

you know there was a call you know there was a comment that was something like you realize this is all sarcastic and it's just like

you know

you can express

these sentiments

you know in rock

a bit

and you know it

it just seems nice that they can you know sort of speak to the possibility

of what you could do with any of those songs

alright guys uh

let's see is there anyone to do do we want to have more debates or

no but has did i actually i did want to talk to you about something explicit and i'm speaking in small talk right now okll why is mot about it i do got to y

you know the sort of more explicit nature

yeahyh o it

right on

and you know obviously only say you know however much you feel comfortable saying but you know what dod you make of the conversation you had with destiny

ah you know

it felt like i won

but it also felt like

he was just bluffing and making fun of me instead of engaging

yeah i mean i think that that's you know really

one of the unfortunate parts of the situation and i actually think that this is something that carries all the way down

right

yeah

is that ultimately

when you look at the essence of all of the debate brose

and you see this you see this in destiny

and this is why i've been harassing you to come on

earlier in the stream because i want to speak on this a little bit more

because

i really think what they do is a really miserable thing

mmhm

don't you think that

like when it came to concrete points though

i was getting destiny a lot of times and just catching him has but the trouble is that you needt like the thing is and this is a very strange frame of mine to think about it

and by the way

just for whoever heears is i don't know what the count is right now

what

o any statements that you're going to hear from the person who sounds like the six year old girl

o those are not statements on behalf of infrared

their statements on behalf of m

the online member known as unamonia

i do not speak friend for edwards mod

i deus wonder i he yd that was funny

i got to module in the chat too by the way

yeah yeah real i appreciate it it was

it's a fun task to approach now

o but anyway i want to go back to destiny because i want to be very concrete i don't want to to broad

i'm speaking on destiny

you know i think

he is much

closer

and this is not in for this is

unimonious

yes

much closer ultimately to jake paul

then even divorce

but i want to be like jak paul you know

yes i know but you know the thing that needs to be understood and this is true wash to right is that

they are driven by market factors they are not even driven by idalogical factors they are not driven by rhetorical factors it is market factors

and he's a destiny

it is much more cut and dry i don't know how familiar are you with these guys like in all and honest to god i've watched some of their stuff

but i'm not i've never gotten too in depth

like

so when you say it's driven by market factors like i don't

it's all market driven even even haws

even zentdral it is all

very market driven and you know by the way

no it's very market driven so like he'ss like a real debate lord who like a you didn't know this

no dude wond thefo

how you didn't balking know this no no no explain

oh my god

i thought this is what i thought about destiny

see later quindy i thought destiny was a guy

who are

i thought basically the thing with him

is that

he's just like aggressive debater and he just debates all these people you know

yeah but you know what

but

you know just just think even on a very simple but i ca you're saying like you tans is the top based on the market i'm a truth seeker

i'm a true seeker

the audacity

it's a very culty assertion in itself

yeah

you know and

i think that basically what happened right was that bernie was the wave in twenty sixteen

right when people said that people

we're voting for bernie here's a question me i do't ns a goaus he was on hillary it was true

yeah

and gsh me understood that i don't mean to cut you off though but

i thought i would like

start the escalation by frame coming from like a populistic

you know perspective because destiny's like our big status quo guy so i thought just right off the bat he would be like noo no

that's illogical is there something that it's wrong

but like

i feel like

he would just be like ok when i would say something like

so for a long time i thought the destinies

on internal logic

was driven by scientism

i was wrong

and this is where he is closer to osh

then heres to jake paul

i mean he's closer to jake paul than he is devoched

really what made you think that what like pushed you to that conclusion

om to be completely honest with you and i'll be completely frank you know on

it is what it is but

you know

when i was

when i was writing my thesis in college

um i was very bored and i

i saw his fucking debate with dont dron tron and i thought it was quite funny

um and so i watched a shit and i thought you know this is a pretty cool guy i wasn't

very online

in shit you know

so i was like you know good on him

right um you know i had been living in portland at the time you know i had seen that you know like fascism can be a very legitimate threat

even in america

at times

and

you know i was like ok great

um and then i just see that this person is antagonizing socialist

and and then you know i see

like ok now this this this is this wasoh guy

is coming into the picture

cool why was so easy was destiny

why was this so easy for me to like run through these people in one weekend

because of the fact that they built a brand

around the logic of i'll debate anyone so if you really harass them enough

they have

but

with enough people

right because so for example right know ask yourself a question

bosh has been calling people red fashiest

courageoes right

yeah

you know he says red fashes this red fash is that but here i guess ocions of that are not i'm going to i want to just sort of hash out what i'm about to say

right the implications of calling

let him hist

and marxs more broadly

because it seems like whe tankes are talking about

you know it

thank you'

are being used as a word

like they're really just talking about communist

most of the time

of all sorts

on

you know

they say red fascist and what does fascist mean

really what is the implicit logic not for the people not for the contentreator but for

the viewer

oh one of these things a fascist

ostensibly oh we're being be radicalized from being a fascist

yeah

oh but here are these people who say they're leftist

but they're actually fascists

but here's my wiw maybe there's and the thing is here's a bit one last thing and then i will actually shut up for a seconde i'd be so curious to hear everyone else's thoughts

jason's jorgz

and yours

on

you know i

like

i saw this video by ankee king

i don't know much about it as far as i can tell you know he's a young m l

maybe

you know not

yeat he just seems like a really like passionate

thoughtful and well

but you know he's definitely like

quite online

and

you know somehow he ends up being

conflated with this osh red fascist

and you know one night i come across this one video

and

you know it's like

thanke king is basically saying

that

wash fans

called him a faggot

a fraget

they called him a cop

they called him a soy boy

and let's just talk about the fact that fascist is perhaps the worst insult in itself

speaking of attunement in the hide garyion sense

and common sense

call me a fascist

how dare you

how dare you

and you know this kid was getting like harassed by these random

you know not superinformed people because of the fact that you know bosh is calling tankees red fascist

uh

hold on

so what was your question i didn't know about this

well youyeah i guess is the pack mentality

the uh

k you

you know what i mean

i mean that's kind of a problem with a lot of right wing

you tubers as well

you know they say oh this person this person okay well when ben shapiro attacked me that's the perfect example of the

what was i going to say again

i forgot what i was going to say go

i mean i'm just curious you know i mean

maybe

to sort of give you something also like

you know you've also seen this and this is kind of new to me

like

i did not realize just kind of how

on

i'm sorry i don't mean to be s j w again you know i'm myself

you know maybe i'm a bad maurisor buk in something

but you know these

these people seem pretty fucking casually racest

yeah

you know also

you know

you know i would w to the whole thing with it is just that he ok is what i was going to say

what okay here's what kind of confuses me is that to me it's like

when i hear debate i feel like someone who believes in it and they got passion for it

and they'll fight for it you know what i'm saying

but

like

mmhmm

but i think

hm

yeah but

i really do got to wrap this up you know and i got to move i got to move it along somehow

a with

do we have any other things to attend to before we wrap this up or

uh let's see

let me see what

common shoal requests

m

lsennchoism and what i think you are missing out on regarding modern genetics

oh barnage

wants to debate nm

can i come on

is it over

you guys got to state your business in you seen know i'm capturreright here in this come on show request

unless you're like jason you have to state your business

but if you' jason

you don't have to staate your business you know be you know you're going to come on we're going to

but you know i understand

this shit is economic and you do got to like i have to put i have to put marketing into our fucking streams like

what is going to be a beautiful thumbnail

and a nice

now

the title and description is going to make sense

and that is kind of marketing you know i'm saying

but

well so here's an example i think of where you actually had marketing

spot on in terms of how to go about these

right yeah

i heard you said in terms of socialism n life

you want to bypass

the left right

even socialism conversation entirely i talk about him actually honest to god and positivism

honest to god i never expected to be streaming this pate because i still go go got to go to the gym and work out and shit

but if that's going to happen tomorrow we really have to wrap this up

if i'm going to be debating him tomorrow

sourcs and do

and i mean head out

yeah i was just yeah i was just saying

you know and i just also thought that people need to understand that

the logic that drives these people and if anyone wants to speak to me

i'm a twitter at u d u h m o and i a and i don't want to stream any of it but i'll speak to you personally

is that

these people are solely driven

by things like s c o they are driven by keywords and they are driven by

the most erotically compelling

elements

of an ideology because that's what sells best

just know that when you consume people

especially if they're not generalus

yeah that's all i had to say

alright for sure

m

all right what is august

you want to sey

on

ok we're going to have one last word from all this

sorry i'm going to move you out

what's up august

you know what's up i got to ask short on time this is a hostile debate

uh pardon

w are you here to debaate or

um maybe canda

i don't know

i don't do i'm really short on time you know i s it depends on how you react i guess to my

i'm going to critique you

most that mostly

i'm super short on time though i got a debate with socials done left tomorrow and that means i have to sleep

you know

yeah no problem if if you don't if you don't want to

if you don't want to go less you ca you think it can be really quick

know

if i can do it really quick sure i would kind of written have written it down so you know i can just

to go through it quickly

and but but you i want you to accept that i might cut you off be cause i'm

i might know what you want you're going to say you know

okay okay sure sure

the last point especially when you were talking to destiny yeah he was explaining to you the mechanisms of the intervention of russia and the

and the election right sure

and the point that he was making

versus the point that you were you basically the problem was that you guys were talking past each other

you were he was explaining to you like what actually has happened a historically what like he was explaining to you like what are which item mechanisms they used

and the abuse etca

and you were more so explaining

like you we you were going through like a

explaining to him

that you don't think the intervention was that bad to begin with

and what i think what he was explaining to what happened i think i halling its russian intervention into the elections is something new and unprecedented because

the matner for which they supposedly intervened was simply on

through information

to the public

on the internet the free and open internet and the

this is how the liberal etiologist of the internet that informed american internet policy

globally worldwide

have been peddling the internet they've been saying the internet is for free and open

information

so it's just likeer intervention s to me sounds like a really a big spin on it you know

maybe russia

tried to get trump election but

you see

it's not the

the question of whether there is a serious intervention isn't based on what people want or what their intentions are it's based on what they've actually done

if russia rigged the election in favor of trump

that's a different story

now it doesn't matter what the russians want it didn't doesn't matter the

what their intention was in spreading

information

the focus on that is what seems so bizarre to me why is there such an emphasis

on what the russians want like and ith think t this is so pathological with russia gate

every time

something happens in america

people say this is what putin wants

this is theuret think that the scale is important or what destin was talking about i don't think that they actually care

whether russia did enough to

make him win

the problem that they are like why you you said there like

it's kind of weird that they're focusing a lot on it i think they're focusing a lot on it because it's something that is kind of new

it hasn't happened in past elections and it's kind of a rare thing so it's and america has never kind of i think you know it definitely represents seen anything like this y so it's kind of like a bit of a shock like it's definitely to the public in degree right well well i think the way the media spin it is that way but if you look at it from a different perspective

were looking at the rise of a multipolar

world order

in which different countries through information

are going to try and i

maybe state based actors maybe not

may i not i'm not even entirely sure russia itself

as a state actor really did all that much to do anything

maybe russians themselves russians supported trump

you know i don't know it's so ambiguous and foggy i didn't really see much evidence for much but but all that notwithstanding

since we're in a multipolar world order and since

america has put forward this liberal model of the liberal model of the free and open

internet

yeah why isn't it russia's interest to favor the guy

who doesn't want to go to war with them

but

at the end of the day there just one among many

actors in this free and open internet

and i

aing that this this kind of thing hasn't happened before which is why there's a lot of focus on it and i go some agreed the media may have sensu sensationalized

what hasn't happened before

israel

i think countries have a foreign countries have always had best interests in american

elections yes combin like internet content generation manipulation i think what i using algorithms is what i think i was in what i think was actually unprecedented

was just trump's victory in general

and they're spinning they're trying to explain away

how it could be possible that some gd like trump part of the russia thing is definitely cope

because they they like couldn't they couldn't foresee the victory precise and another part of it is shok

like it hasn't happened before and they're shocked that like oh our holy institutions are being

manipulated by you know dirty form forigners or something it's not dirty for and i thel like you had to invent this nar style i think the had to invent the narrative of democracy was subverted because

imminently speaking internally to america trump's victory

represented the internal subversion of american democracy a type of internal implolsion

you know

yeah sure i guess but just i wan i wanted to kind of explain like uh

the fundamental mismatches that like why you were speaking past each other and to some degree he wasn't even taking you seriously

like he was just kind of like going along the thing it just kind of

a meaming throughout it because like he doesn't actually take leftist seriously especially

and someone like you who's like a high energy like t like soft proclaimed tanky's not going to take you seriously used talking about fa and it's like

yeah go ahead

why did

i think thiss new is really

unfair and disrespectful to me but that's ok because

you know

who gess

to some degree it is kind of a game of cloud

you you're a new person and to be honest it's kind of impressive how you've been kind of speed running through a lot of people and it's like you're trying to do a world record like tomorrow you're going to be debating no cholski

um

it's o it's just honestly you're a leftist and

he doesn't take them seriously so he's not going to take you seriously plus you're lowd or whatever and a bit more

aggressive than he than he's used to

so you're just

you' like he's not going to

and another thing another thing i wanted to like critique you on

ok it was

i feel i feel like it's kind of clear as like a person who's watched destiny's content for a while and who's watched even fauch's content for a while

i think that it's kind of apparent that you yourself as a person aren't that familiar with their content their histories

the things they've done before i see their subc meeting and rt some of their ideas

combined with that so i'd say i'm not only doing it for cloud chasing i know the type no no i knowing it's kind of clear that you're you're like sort of actually serious about it like it's in the beginning it's maybe like a clear like you know is this guy trolling or whatever but after listening to wh go on you know for like a weekend

hour after hour actually like genuinely passionately debating people i think it's kind of clear that you're real about it

but they like

don't know that

and if i would just basically tell you if you really want to like

if you really want to go in

and because you've

clearly marked you know red tube as a

a force to be subverted you're kind of coming ino to change

and

how the online left kind of like media sphere operates or whatever or you know perceives the world

and you're trying to like convert people to your side rather than cause it's essentially like a tug of war now like it or how you view it or how you want it to make right or how you want to make it

i would definitely say that it's a

very beneficial of you

to benetetto to familiarize yourself with the big content creators of the bretube whatever and their histories and what they've done

and even use your servers like a research hub you know like k in

getting information for you etcetera

and uh but though you don't obviously have to trust everything that coes to

a discord you do't you don't know how manipulated it will be a wild

and thiss like we have

we have rules but um

you know there i don't

i'm not really interested in controlling it too much

i like to think in terms of vibes you know i don't like to try to like control

no no i was i wasn't talking about like no no i'm just going off on its engine

yeah i

but anyway i'm sorry i'm just too tired that's why

but yeah i agree maybe i should research all this stuff a little bit more and research the scene

little bit more

yeah it'll it'll definitely be benefit you because you can critique them far more far more like sharply and you can like adjust yourh approach

to to

to to to like basically get them to actually like debate you seriously or or

you know make it make a good point that is they haven't maybe addressed in the past etc like for example vouch

you really got him with the nv with the nevaly being racist

he did he couldn't even respond to that which is why like he go he went like

oh well puon is also racist and then he tried to like move on i think if you debate him again in the future

you like have tor not only bring up like the the novaly point

bring up him trying to like

dodge it or like him you know even s my f being able to take it out i'm going to because he he couldn't like you lose ho on record

yeah

this is what's so surreal to me

like saturday

i would have never thought that when i hit live

two hours later i'm debating whatatch

and tonight i literally thought tonight was going to that's why i called it behind enemy lines because it's like let's kind of

chill a little bit of a little bit you know like spies you know like that was the kind of vibe

yeah if someone told me i was dor destiny tonight dude i had no idea

so i didn't prepare for any of this man i

i didn't even think about what i was going to say until like twenty seconds before it happened

because someone in my shat was literally just telling me

they were like to be destiny tonight and i was like you know what we probably could

i'll debate i'm sure and then someone finally says destiney responded to my dm b'll debate i'm like

but

quick

but

yeah your point jus taken though i appreciate your point and i appreciate you

it was a very pleasant conversation you have jordan peterson his next

sorry

jordan petersons next one day maybe anything else in charlot yeah

inside last last

point i wanted to

make or not not last point but uh

the last thing i wanted to to mention was kind of an apology to to to jason

nw

on twitter i kind of like had a mem where i would ah

just to reply with his surname to every tweet that he would make for like fucking five months or whatever

i thought it was kind of like a funny like inside joke or whatever so

that that definitely comes off kind of psychotic and sockery so i i i just want like

i didn't even know he was going to be here so it's kind of just

like you know the hand of fate is hilarious

so ya just just

just man to man i guess i just want to make that quick apology

and i hope be accepted

i get a lot weirder stuff than that

imen thanks

see you later august is a really pleasant conversation and maybe we'll have you timn sometime

you know because

sure sure yeah because i wanted to do like a different debate would like you know stuff about the far right or whatever but i want to you you've established your reputation very positively so that's ok and i s you very much it's going to be worth

the while

thank you mam i go go pump some iron man see

all right jason this is something i was thinking

we're not a gaming channel yet i don't want to be a gaming channel but

i was thinking i am going to get a new p c soon

we should we should play some game sometime what do you think

yeah

ah nazy's on beyard re four just came out

i'm working

nazi zombie army four

what is that

ok

basically it's like what if when hitler knew he was going to lose he went and brought up a whole bunch of satanic powers and turned all the dead nazi soldiers into zombies

wow

and then like in the third part he's giving this thing we will be one race in death

well

so it becomes they where hitler's going to take over the world by turning everyone into zombies

and evens specifically a multiplayer game

oh wow okay

i know about nazi zombis from call of duty

i

this seems a little bit different though right

yeah this is this is it's not a a defense thing it's like you have to fight your way through a map kind of thing

all case like lefford basically

yeah but i would call it a slow paced left for dead because all you have is sniper weapons

and the only thing that's good is head shots

ok yeah well we'll figure it out wll we'll schedule something but i

it was a really big honor really big pleasure to have you

and we'll collaborate the no problem and i'll come back some time

and

see you wait a minut

rights syes

okay uh

i think that's going to be a wrap

probably

i've never ended it at a hundred and twenty viewers

i've never ended it

you know

this level but i do have to go to

a

ok chat it was a beautiful night

love you guys so much

there's nobody as active and enthusiastic as our chat

guarantee you that much

there's not a no

streamer has the high energy that we're seeing here

and this is only the beginning guys

only getting started

um

nothing can stop us except divine intervention at this point

and if we get thatck

but even then it's not going to stop us we're going to still

taking we're going to still keep going

i

i wish i had more to say but

goodbye as

ys companions