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Woncha meet me the fire guy?

Zapatismo, I see you, brother.

I see you, brother.

What's up?

What's good everybody?

What's good everybody?

We got a lot to talk about.

And uh wow, I just wanna say, me and Jackson, we are floored.

And we sold out premium tickets.

Like, I think half our tickets are straight up gone actually.

I think we sold half, if I'm around half, near near half, not exactly half yet, but very close to half of all the tickets available.

I want to talk about the tickets first thing first.

Yo, Australistani, what's up?

I'm not going to waste your time.

You know, I'm going to.

This stream is going to mainly be about the event.

You know, we're also cover news and we're going to debate some idiot, I think.

I think there's some guy who wants to debate.

But, um.

Wow.

Wow.

This is.

Pretty crazy stuff.

Um

So talking about the tickets, first thing first.

Yo, hot take, what's going on, man?

What's going on, man?

Uh first I'm going to talk about the tickets, then I'm going to talk about the event.

And I'm going to might have to repeat myself a few times.

Um

But uh

So if you were coming

And if you were like planning on coming,

And you know, you're fine with the accommodations and getting over here, it's not too much trouble for you, and you are planning on it.

Do not be discouraged by the premium tickets being sold out.

I know that the golden button looks a lot better than the silver one.

I know the premium, there's an after-party and all this kind of stuff.

Let me just wink at you right now.

And tell you that if you get silver, you're not going to regret it.

I strongly, I'm not saying if it's too much trouble for you to get over here to Michigan, then you know, and you didn't, you weren't planning on coming, then don't feel bad if you can't make this one.

Really, if you can't make this one, don't feel bad.

But if you were planning on coming to this one and you cannot get the premium ticket, yo, JC, what's going on?

Trust me when I say it will be worth it if you come with the general admission.

And

Let me just let's just say Haas takes care of the gorillas, and I will be fair.

Okay, if you made it all the way out here, you're a gorilla, and you couldn't get a premium ticket, you made it all the way out here, Haas is not going to be an asshole.

You understand?

So, make of that what you will.

Premium will get guaranteed better seating, okay?

Way better seating.

Um

But don't be discouraged if you couldn't get the premium, alright?

That's all I'm gonna say.

I'm not gonna say anything more than that.

Don't be discouraged.

Obviously we can't let everyone into the after event, like everyone who's showing up.

But since gorillas, I don't imagine I think gorillas got most of the premium tickets anyway.

So, the ones that couldn't get it, I imagine there's not that many of you, right?

So, all I'm gonna say is, y'all, don't worry about it.

You understand?

Don't like feel like you missed it.

I'm gonna have to go and then I'm gonna get kicked out.

It's like, I can't say too much, but just trust that Haas is not gonna.

you know, it's not gonna

you know, be a dick.

So that's don't be discouraged, you know.

And I'm saying this also because those tickets are going to sell out.

I don't know when they're going to sell out exactly, but they're on track to.

We still have one month and like half of everything is gone.

Okay.

Half of the tickets is gone.

There's records who said they bought tickets.

How are you planning on dealing with that?

Yeah, I'm not going to reveal too much on how we're going to deal with that, primarily because I don't want to give our enemies a heads up, but just know that we're aware of the situation.

We have the identities of every single person who you're talking about.

The few people we're tracking everyone.

We're tracking everything.

So don't worry about it.

And okay, the second thing is that they didn't buy tickets because we check our lists and we vet the tickets as well.

Okay.

So don't don't worry.

The safety of everyone who's coming.

Is going to be of an utmost priority.

Obviously, they're not after you, they're after me and Jackson.

So you don't even have anything to worry about.

Crazy people coming.

Like they're not going to come after you, they're going to come after me and Jackson.

All right.

So, don't worry about it.

We got it locked down.

Um I wasn't gonna come, but I'm in NY.

Yeah, don't worry about it.

If you can't get a plane ticket over here, if you can't make it over, like, don't worry about it.

But I'm just saying, for those of you that were planning on coming, now to be fair.

I did warn y'all.

I told you.

I said, guys, I'm going to give you like a 10-15 minute heads up.

These are going to sell out fast.

And grab 'em.

And then I see a lot of people like, Oh, I missed the I missed the window.

And it's like, Well, I gave you like that's why you should start listening more, you know?

You should but don't worry about it, all right?

Because uh you're not gonna get the benefit of

We'll work something out.

Like, for example, I'm not promising food, okay?

Food is not part of the package.

But at the after party, let's say Haas needs to order some pizzas, all right?

You know, if you're a gorilla, you don't have a premium ticket, I might ask you for like five bucks to help get, you know, I mean, just like shit like that.

You understand?

So.

That's what I'm s I'm not I'm not saying there's not gonna be food.

I'm saying I'm not guaranteeing it to you.

Meaning I'm not I'm under no obligation to feed anybody.

You understand?

But Haas may get hungry and may feel like a dick eating in front of everybody who's hungry.

So we may get pizzas, you know, we may we may have something lined up.

But, you know what I mean?

Uh

We may ask you to contribute to the pizza, something like that.

But don't worry about it, all right.

And and also, I already told you guys, if you're financially struggling,

I can't promise you anything, but I can try, you know, just based on your situation and based on how many people are.

Thank you so much, Hattie.

Thank you so much, Hattake.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, Jack.

Chet, you were fucking pathetic tonight.

Do better.

Yeah, you guys got to do better with that shit for real.

But listen, Haas takes care of the gorillas.

You understand?

Haas looks at...

Haz, it's not takes care because I'm not your mom.

I'm not caretaking you.

I'm not rocking y'all in my arms and y'all are my infants.

Haas looks out for the gorillas.

That's what I mean to say.

Haz looks out for the gorillas.

The con looks out for the gorillas.

You understand?

So

If money is if you can get here, but you the ticket, you can't really afford it or whatever, like just let me know and don't be ashamed, you know?

And we'll see what we can do.

Now, this is the final thing I'm going to say about the tickets before I start talking about the event.

I wish we could deal with the limit, but you need to understand for the place we're getting, we are absolutely pushing it when it comes to the amount of tickets we have available.

Meaning

The fire code that's created by the city, that's enforced legally, that the venue is forcing us to do, we are literally exhausting.

Not only are we exhausting the limit, but we're pushing it as far as how many people we're allowed to have in the room.

So when we do sell out, I'm telling you guys this now.

When we do sell out, I literally cannot help you in terms of bringing you in.

Like I straight up can do nothing to help you.

And that's not me, that's the fire codes, and that's the venue.

Like, I can't, you know, so like if you want to come.

Either grab the general admission now before it sells out, and if you can't afford general admission, just let me know and, you know, like I'll see what I can do basically.

But either way, you know

Like like get 'em soon because once everything sells out, I can do nothing to increase the tickets.

Like we the reason we have the limited premium tickets in the first place, there's a reason for that.

All right.

It's 'cause there's not a lot of tickets we didn't expect it to be this big, to be honest.

We were like testing how we could do live shows.

And we didn't expect it to be like this crazy, to be honest.

And that's the next topic I'm going to get to: is the nature of the show itself.

And I'm not going to honestly not talk about the content of the show, but just like what is this show?

What is it about?

What can you expect?

And what you should be expecting going in.

So if you don't know, the event is called Free America to Free Palestine.

It's going to be held May 24th in Dearborn, Michigan.

Um, so like it's a month, okay.

And if you think a month is a lot, it's not a lot, all right.

That's why I'm saying if you plan on coming, grab a ticket now if you haven't already.

And I mean that because if you, if once they sell out, I can't get you in, there's nothing I can do to get you in.

Um, 'cause the the building code, the fire code that they're like, I can't do it.

I already pushed it with them, getting us as many people that we can.

Um okay, so what can you expect from the event?

No, I I wanna so so there's no confusion because I I'm not seeing too much confusion about this issue, but I just want to be clear about this.

And you know what?

I don't want to do is have to repeat myself.

That's what I don't want to do.

Okay, I don't want to have to repeat myself.

What you can expect going into this event is a live show.

It's a live show.

It's not going to be a super serious activist event.

It's not fundraising.

It's not activism.

It's not taking action.

It's not even about necessarily just raising awareness.

It's a live show.

And Free America to Free Palestine is the topic of the live show.

It's a live show, just like how Jimmy Dore does live shows.

Jackson is big friends with Jimmy Draw.

I've met Jimmy a few times, and we're really inspired by how he does his shows doing this in terms of combining a light-hearted,

Atmosphere

There's some comedy there with serious political topics and current events.

So again, this is not a fundraiser.

This is not an activistic event.

This is not some kind of

This is not, we're not forming a party at this event.

This is not taking action in any kind of way.

It is a live show.

Just so there's no confusion.

It's a live show.

We said it's a live show.

We told you it's a live show.

That's what it is.

So don't expect it to be more than that because it's not more than that.

It is, at the end of the day, it's a live show.

And I'm telling you, it's a live show, not because it's all going to be unserious, but because, you know, don't ex I don't want someone to stand up in the crowd and be like, all right, so what we here in the room, what are we going to do now?

And it's like, we're not going to do anything in this room together, okay, because this is a live show.

This is not.

Me launching an organization.

Part of the show is announcing the Institute for a Free America.

That's part of what this is.

But we are not launching an organization.

We're not launching any kind of initiative for activism, anything of that nature.

It's a live show, and it's nothing more than that.

Uh and I don't want to repeat myself ever again about this, all right?

It's a live show.

Understand that.

It's a live show, okay?

We're putting on a show and a presentation.

Now, I'm not going to promise you we're still finalizing in terms of people we're bringing.

Midwestern Marks is coming.

We already have that.

There's others.

I'm not going to tell you who.

I'll tell you when it's locked down.

All right.

And we're going to announce more speakers as we get it locked down.

So um what you can expect

Is just like a Jimmy Dore show, we're going to be talking about current events.

Okay, and it's also going to be there's going to be elements of lightheartedness in it and so on.

But the thing that stands out that makes it different, because it's not just going to be a copy of that, the thing that is going to make it different.

Is that um

There's also going to be a presentation, and I'm going to make sure not to make it boring.

Which is going to be informative, which is going to talk about why it is America supports the Zionist entity.

It's going to talk about why America is occupied as a country.

And what that means for the Palestinian liberation movement here, the political implications.

And we're going to tie all of these things together, right?

I don't want to reveal too much because that would render the show itself redundant, but it's going to be a presentation which will be informative, which will be educational, which is going to talk about history.

It is going to describe and talk about how the world works, how the American world system works.

And another thing is that the Institute for a Free America

I'm going to talk about that pretty soon, but we're also going to be making a legal, serious, professional argument, not a rhetorical one, not an ideological one, but a legal rhetorical argument.

Sorry, not rhetorical, a legal professional argument.

To correctly diagnose our political situation here, that America, the United States of America, is an occupied country, meaning this is not a sovereign country in terms of popular sovereignty.

Just like Stalin's last speech alluded to, how all of that was eroding, we're pointing out how there's no trace of it.

Left, popular sovereignty is completely eliminated, and even on a formal bourgeois legalistic level, this is an occupied country.

And that is the premise.

That's a very important premise.

And it sounds what I'm saying sounds redundant.

It sounds like it's like, oh, I've heard this a million times.

But you haven't heard it made in a kind of sober, impersonal, cold, you know, theoretical way, which is not overly ideological or rhetorical.

This is going to be like a solid explanation of why.

And it's spoiler, it's not Zog.

It's not that the Jews control America.

That's not what we're saying.

We're saying something a lot more profound than that, right?

We're talking about how.

We're talking about how Israel is a fundamental part of the system of world imperialism.

And how that system has completely overridden the classical bourgeois liberties before the era of imperialism and the form of the U.S.

government itself in terms of popular sovereignty and sovereignty in general.

So, even from the perspective of classical bourgeois political philosophy, this is not.

The government is occupied.

This is an occupied country.

Okay, and that's that is strategically square one of where we're at.

And it's not just the federal agencies, it's that plus a lot of other things as well.

Okay?

So, um,.

This is an important theme that we're going to be talking about.

And um

This is going to be me and Jackson's first show where we're going to basically present our ideas, we're going to present our understanding of how things how the world works, uh the state of America today, and so on and so on.

So uh keep that in mind, all right?

It's going to be both fun.

It's going to be lit.

I'm going to tell you that.

It's going to be actually fun.

Trust me on that.

We're going to have fun together.

It's going to be fun.

It's going to be.

It's going to be prescient and it's going to be informative, all right.

And we're doing it the right way, all right.

And you'll just see when it happens.

So that's what you can expect, okay, from the event.

It's going to be a good time.

It's not going to be a tense.

You know, I'm not going to be yelling at people and saying, oh, you're not doing enough.

We need to get active.

That's on you.

Thank you.

Wow.

Also, can I get a ban amnesty?

I honestly didn't know I violated the toes.

Yeah, just whoever that is on Banham because he gave me $100.

Thank you, man.

Wow.

I don't care what you did.

It's $100, you know.

Sorry.

Thank you.

Let's go.

That guy just got a premium ticket.

He just paid for some of the pizza.

Because I don't know, there's going to be a lot of people.

Uh, anyway.

Just tell them DM the mods, please.

Just tell them.

Okay, anyway.

Yeah, I can be bribed.

All right.

I can be bribed.

Unless you're like a criminal or something.

Then uh unless you're actually like a Fed a criminal or like a pedo or something.

I can't there's no amount of money you could give me to unban you.

But if you're any you know, whatever,

You're just a dumbass who couldn't stop Paul Pop posting.

I can be bribed.

I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

It's a joke.

It's literally a joke.

Anyway, guys, I can't be bribed.

I'm just like, like, I'm just being, like, I feel like a dick if, like, that guy gave me $100 and I'm not gonna.

We unban a lot of people, all right?

Understand that.

Don't start flooding me with money to get unbanned.

Please don't.

I'm actually serious.

I'm not joking.

Like, don't.

Because that's not a policy we have.

Like, you straight up technically cannot pay for an unbanned.

That was just a special moment.

Like, wow, $100.

It's extraordinary.

You understand?

Anyway, I'm sick of explaining myself.

Um.

Back to the topic.

Back to the important topic.

So, guys, listen, I'm going to talk a little bit about.

Oh boy.

Okay.

I want you guys to really pay attention to me right now.

Between now and the event, there is going to be and there already seems to be a little bit, but it's kind of farting its way out already.

But but that's not even half of it.

Between now and then, there's going to be a coordinated attempt online

The usual Fed ops

To do everything in their power to discredit this event, just like they did with the Rage Against the War Machine shit, right?

And to combat misinformation, I'm just going to give you some more uh details.

And the reason I think this is going to happen is, and I think the PSL will drive a lot of the defamation.

Because I don't care if you believe me or not, but I have proof to back it up at the very least.

I have proof in my text with Jackson himself.

To our surprise, we did not know that the PSL was also doing an event in Detroit.

Uh in the same weekend we were.

When they announced that publicly, we had already scheduled something with a venue and we were talking to them back and forth about the details of pricing and stuff.

And that's why we didn't announce it back then.

The reason it took us a few extra months or a month to announce it is because that fucking venue ghosted us.

So we had to get a totally new one like very quickly.

Okay, so we didn't even know.

We didn't even know.

But the PSL is doing their own thing.

I don't know what they're doing.

I don't know the details, but they're doing that in Detroit.

And the PSL will do the same thing that they did to the other event that they also tried to co.

I really thought because I kept saying on stream, yeah, we're doing something late May, we're doing something late May, they literally did it just to fuck with us, but I'm not, I don't know, maybe not.

But

What I mean to say is that they're probably going uh put it this way.

We sold out in a few hours.

Their post announcing their shit got like 200 likes.

All right.

So they're going to be really upset.

They're going to be really upset.

And they're going to start spreading a bunch of bullshit about infrared.

And you guys need to combat misinformation in general.

I'm not too worried about the community in Dearborn.

I'm more worried about.

I'm more worried about um

Like

Like, uh the the lies they're saying

The whole country, you know, in terms of I'm not worried about whatever the PSL is trying to do in Dearborn because.

Uh maybe in their world, my name is Adam Tahir, and I'm half Jewish, half French and German or something.

They can they can think that, like I'm fine with that, you can think that in your world.

But when you come to my turf, where people know who my father is and know who my mother is, and I'm well connected with community leaders of the Shia.

Lebanese community, okay?

People who are from my parents' village and my parents' parents' village and shit.

You're not gonna fuck with me on my home turf when it comes to that.

And if PSL is gonna come after me spreading lies about me, I will publicly embarrass them by getting people I know.

I'm an A-rab motherfucker.

Family connections is everything to us.

You understand?

You're not going to get away with defaming me without embarrassing yourself and also ostracizing yourself from the very place you're trying to do your thing from.

So that's all I'm going to fucking say.

I'm not worried about people trying to disrupt the event in the city itself.

Because I'm not saying I'm the prince of that city.

That's not even true.

By the way, I wasn't even like, I was only partially raised there, not fully.

Okay?

So I'm not saying I'm the prince of the city.

I'm just saying people know who my fucking family is.

You understand?

Like, who I am, where I'm from, my bloodline, that kind of shit is locked down.

You're not all your fantasy world that you have on Twitter, please try bringing that shit to where my parents are from, to that community.

Try bringing it there, and you're going to fucking fall face flat and break your face and get laughed out of town.

You understand?

So let me be clear about that.

I'm not worried about that.

But I still want you guys to combat misinformation in general.

Um

Because why should we let their lies go proliferate unchallenged?

I don't know why you guys do that in general.

Like, there's stuff that I see that you guys could just respond to in two seconds that's so stupid, but nobody ever responds to it for some reason.

I don't understand.

Um Thomas Brooke, what's up?

So let's we should always just get the the record straight.

That's the most important thing.

Just get the fucking record straight.

You understand?

By the way, I don't c and let me make myself clear, this is the only time I'm addressing the PSL.

It's the only time.

I don't consider the PSL to be rivals of whatever me and Jackson are doing.

If you're a student activist and you just want to yell on megaphones and stuff, please just go to the PSL shit.

We're not trying to co-opt your movement or something.

We're putting on a show.

This is not a form of activism.

I don't care what the PSL does, whatever they're doing.

I don't care.

We're not going to be sitting in a room being like, let's go!

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's not what this is.

So if you want to do that, please, I invite you to go to their shit.

You understand?

Um

And I mean that, and I have no intention of talking about them at all because I don't care about them.

And I sincerely mean it, I don't care about them.

I understand that they would like try to wreck the rage against the whatever machine, but I don't consider them rivals.

Like I said, in the first day,

like half of the tickets we have are already sold.

So even if we don't sell any more tickets, we're set for a pretty good first show, okay, and we're fine.

Thank you, J Summit.

So I don't consider it a rival event.

And I don't consider PSL competitors on any level.

And here's why: they are not competing for the same demographics that we are.

That goes both for the community where

I mean, I have better standing than they do already, and I'm like, not even I'm a nobody.

The second thing is our demographics are different because we're not here to like corral college students into activism.

Thank you so much, Riz.

We are not here to corral college students into activism.

We're not here to organize protests at college campuses or organize protests in general.

I'm not going to comment on that stuff because like I'm not a wrecker.

Let them go do their thing.

I don't care.

Like whether if it succeeds, good for you.

I just have no interest in it myself.

personally, right?

I have interest in doing other things.

Um

And the other thing I want to say about the PSL and I'm not even throwing shade at them, that's the thing.

I'm not interested in throwing shade, but let's please get the facts straight and just get the record straight.

The PSL isn't a Marxist-Leninist organization.

Just like in the same way, we don't consider anarchists rivals, we don't consider Trotskyists rivals either.

And I'm not even saying this to attack them or throw shade on them.

I'm literally just telling you the fact that Sam Marcy is the ideological forefather of that party.

And Sam Marcy was just a spicy tropical Trotskyist.

That's it.

Thank you, Warlord.

A record at the event is like a retard in chat.

Yeah.

Kind of, yeah.

Um.

The PSL is just a tropical Trotskyist uh sorry, its founder, Sam Marcy, was just a kind of Trotskyist who also had third worldist leanings and sympathies, and which led him to defend and support actually existing states in word.

Indeed, I don't think so, but in word, yes.

And I don't know why people think the PSL are tankies just because they proclaim to support actually existing socialist states.

Because you have to remember, in public, even Trotsky publicly defended the Soviet Union from imperialism.

Trotsky publicly claimed that he supported the Soviet Union in the Winter War, for example.

And he claimed the Soviet Union was a deformed worker state that still nonetheless needed to be defended.

We just got to get rid of the bureaucracy, whatever.

So I don't know why, I'm just trying to tell you they're Trotskyists.

And the positions that they take on foreign relations are not incompatible with Trotskyism.

That's not what really makes or breaks Trotskyism.

What makes or breaks the difference between Trotskyism and Marxism-Leninism is an overall outlook and understanding of revolutionary strategy, of what socialism as a movement means and what it looks like.

And um

And the nature of the proletarian dictatorship, it's things like that, things that are fundamental.

So, our difference with the PSL, because they're Trotskyists and we're Marxist-Leninists, it's night and day.

Like, it's they're not rivals, they're not rivals, okay?

They're not rivals.

Um, Joe Sims is more of a rival to us than the PSL is, those are just Trotskyists.

That's not a prerogative, it's literally true.

Sam Marcy is the ideological f forefather of uh the Workers' World Party and the PSL.

Um that's really all I'm gonna say on it.

Thank you so much, Travolta.

PSL at this point is just a platform for its leaders to scalp Washington, D.C.

demonstration permits.

And like I said, I don't care.

I don't care what the PSL does.

It's not my concern.

Because am I going to start complaining about what Democrats do?

Am I going to start complaining about what anarchists and

you know, uh, SOC Dems and the you know the Social Democratic Party or the DSA does, like, I don't care, it's not my turf.

I d that's what I mean.

Like, I don't consider that my turf.

Trotskyist jibber jabber is not my turf, okay?

So let me make that clear.

Like, yeah, we're just going to keep it moving and do our own thing.

Like, I don't really care what they do.

I don't care about Trotskyists, I I don't.

Um

I don't care about Trotskyists any more than I care about any other ideology.

Like, that's just the truth.

Like, I'm a Marxist-Leninist.

They're not rivals, and and no pan leftist is a rival to us, to be clear.

At best, pan leftists are security issues.

Just like neo Nazis can be security issues, pan leftists are also security concern because they make threats uh online.

Pan leftism in general is of no concern to us.

They're not our rivals.

We're not fighting for the same turf that they are.

We are Marxist Leninists and they are pan leftists.

So it's simple as that.

Like I just don't care what they do.

Uh and that's the last time I'm gonna say this or address that matter.

Like I just straight up don't care about them.

I know I spent a good deal of time like shitting on the PSL and like exposing them and but the work of distinguishing infrared from everyone else is done I think and at this point like we can just straight up do our own thing and like not have to care about anyone else to be honest.

Um

Pretty as Flacco, I literally said I'm gonna talk about that, alright?

So thanks for adding me and highlighting your comment in the chat.

But we're getting to it, like right now, okay?

We're getting to it now, okay?

Uh so Institute for a Free America.

What is it?

By the way, do you like the logo?

Um, because I think Jackson's going to come on the stream.

And we'll t we'll talk about some of the funny stories surrounding our fights about the logo, 'cause there's a story behind it.

Uh but 'cause we d we were like f you know, we were the logo was not easy to make, alright?

It took a long time.

But yo, thank you so much, Partisan.

The only thing PSL does correctly is have their own media apparatus for college students and get funding from Indian millionaires.

And even then they mess it up.

Yeah, but I mean like it's not that's not even the the issue.

The issue is that they're Trotskyists.

You know, they're the f the premise they're beginning from is just not Marxism-Leninism.

And it's just, you know, that's, there's nothing more to it.

I don't care what they do.

I don't care if they get Indian money or whatever.

Like, you're Trotskyist.

You're, you're, you're a fundamentally.

Your outlook and your understanding of things and, like, your position is just so removed from mine.

I just, like, I don't care about it.

What, what?

I'm going to lose the battleground of winning, like, college students or some shit.

Like, I don't care.

I don't care.

Anyway, um,

Let me talk about the Institute for a Free America finally.

All right.

So, the Institute for Free America is something that me and Jackson came up with.

And only me and Jackson for now.

Um, for many different reasons.

Uh, let's just I I I can't really so let me just put it this way, right?

To simplify it.

This is not the organization.

This is not a organization.

So it's not CPI.

I'm not we are not recruiting people to the Institute.

People that we want, we will find them ourselves and just bring them on ourselves.

But it serves a very specific purpose which is related to the upcoming organization, but which itself is not an organization.

Okay, it's a non-profit.

It's a non-profit and it's a think tank.

And the main role of the Institute.

is to diagnose

what we consider to be the primary contradiction in America.

It's it's a it has a diagnostic role.

The the point is to diagnose the problem without necessarily inserting or imposing a solution.

That's the point of the think tank.

The point of the organization is about the solution, not just the problem.

That's an affirmative solution, communism.

But the Institute for a Free America is just about um

Basically, promoting study, research, um

Presenting formal legalistic arguments about how America is an occupied country right now in the midst of an increasingly diminished status of our civil liberties.

The ACLU is not defending us.

Obviously, they're part of the system.

America is increasingly headed down the road of dictatorship.

So this is kind of a think tank which we want to be and which is being set up to be already.

The American wing of BRICS.

That's what this is about.

So, simple.

Institute for a Free America is a BRICS-oriented American think tank that me and Jackson created.

And it's called Institute for a Free America because the premise is that America is that the America American government, or let's use our language differently, the regime in America does not represent the popular sovereignty of the American people or America as a country.

So and that also inclu that's why Canada is included, because we don't recognize Canada either.

We want to free all of this upper half of North America, which we consider under occupation,

And which we consider to be nascent with one people, one civilization, which needs to be freed from the occupation.

The occupation of dollar hegemony, the occupation of an increasingly as Stalin pointed out in his last speech, increasingly dictatorial orientation of the regime and unconstitutional federal agencies, the complete takeover of the government by a cartel of

of financial capitalists, especially in the form of the Federal Reserve, which fundamentally guarantees a pro creditor orientation

Because the government is literally in debt to the private sector.

So there's a lot of things, but this is what the institution.

The Institute is not an organization because an organization has solutions and it has prescriptions.

But the Institute for a Free America is primarily about diagnosing this predicament.

It's about having a correct diagnosis that provides the context for a communist position in the first place.

It's not necessarily that.

But it is necessarily that if you follow it to its logical conclusion, but we're just leaving room.

For academics, like international academics, I mean, I'm not talking about the stupid ones in America, like international bricks economists, bricks policymakers, academics, people that are international oriented.

To to be able to kind of create a network here in America, a a base of operations, so to speak, to kind of like unite that in the American context.

In a way that doesn't exclude people who aren't explicitly communists.

You know.

Uh BRICS, as we know, it's not a communist organization.

Uh Russia's not led by a Communist Party.

So yeah.

Thank you so much for all of you.

There is no border with Canada.

Yeah, yeah.

Free America is about

Um

just freeing the land, you know, freeing America, free the American people from an occupation.

So that the Institute for Free America is a remember, it's a think tank.

It's going to be a nonprofit think tank.

It is that.

And um it was created by Jackson and I

Literally we came up with it like last no last October, I think.

Last October or November, I think it was December.

I don't know.

Last year, we came up with it late last year.

Me and Jackson.

And this is the event where it's going to basically launch to the public.

But you guys don't really have to worry about it, is what I'm trying to say, because this isn't the organization.

This is a think tank that Jackson and I.

I don't want to spoil too much, but you're going to understand why we created this Institute later this year.

Later this year.

Like late, late into the year, you're going to understand.

Because let's just spoil it, because when you say things, you jinx them.

But this is the name we're going to be operating under for certain international events.

Uh representing America.

The okay.

Deadly Dothraki, you're kinda frustrating me.

Why did you say event/slash org?

The org is not going to be announced at this event.

The org has nothing to do with this event.

The org is something totally separate.

And that's going to be in a few months.

How can you contribute?

I just told you, don't worry about it.

Don't worry.

The org is what you need to worry about.

Because the org is coming in the summer.

Okay?

The org is coming in the summer.

This institute is of no concern to you.

And actually, let me double down even more.

I know you guys might like the logo from this institute because it reminds you of this CPUSA Redinon.

The actual org we're launching has a totally different aesthetic orientation.

From the color, like, don't be too excited about this.

Lo don't start repping this logo.

I'm gonna tell you guys that.

Do not start repping our logo.

You start repping our logo, I'm gonna assume it's some reg red record shit, okay?

Because the Institute is something like very exclusive and specific, and it's not a mass organization, and it's something you like.

I don't get confused and think that this is like that that logo is going to be the aesthetic orientation we're headed into, because it's not.

It's not.

It's something very exclusive and specific for that institute.

Okay.

So let me be clear.

This is not a party.

This is not an organization.

The logo does not aesthetically represent um

where we're going with things when when it comes to the organization.

And you don't have to worry too much about it, but what you should pay attention to is the.

Compelling legal, professional, theoretical, and historical arguments we're going to bring forward and present

which are about the illegitimacy of

the US uh regime.

And

Being able to understand that and incorporate that into your outlook is going to be the context for communism.

Okay.

Hossam, what's up?

My wife are huge fans of you and Jackson.

We have premium tickets and we'll be driving up from Missouri first trip to Michigan.

And she wanted to know if the event will be safe.

I said yes.

Yes, it will be safe.

We are going to guarantee we're going to prioritize safety above everything.

Thank you so much for the donation.

I appreciate you and I'm really happy to hear you guys are going to make it up to this.

Thank you so much.

So the Institute for a Free America

It's not an organization open up open to the public, and you don't have to worry about it because it's something me and Jackson created for a very specific purpose.

And, you know.

Um it's going to be important for the or org coming up.

And finally, um people are also asking like, Okay, i are you are you donating the precedes to charity?

No, this is not a fundraiser.

We never said it was a fundraiser.

It's not a fundraiser.

It's a live show.

Okay.

But if you're interested,

What we make from this event is going to go to the launch of the organization.

And we'll ensure that the that that thing we launch won't have to be a paid event.

But we're gonna vet people, obviously.

Like you're not it's not gonna be open to the whole public.

It's gonna be open to like infrared excl Thank you W11.

See the when we launch the organization and we have that conference, that's going to be a political conference.

That's not going to be a live show.

So we're not really going to monetize it.

We're just going to like vet the shit out of whoever can come to that.

Um

It's gonna be like something totally different, you know?

This is something open to the public.

Um

Yeah, that's where the sing-alongs will be.

Yeah, sure.

Uh yeah, so this uh this is an important event, and Jackson and I are gonna be doing shows.

This is our first one.

Because we're not just gonna be live streamers, we're also gonna be doing live shows, okay?

So that's how it is.

That's basically how it is.

So, you guys have any questions?

I'll answer any questions you have.

Um

So all of the information you should have gotten this on the uh ticket receipt if you've gotten a ticket.

All of the information, uh like the exact uh building and the room.

And exactly when you should show up.

That's going to be emailed out to you as we get closer to the event.

I think you already should have gotten a QR code, which we're going to scan at the door.

Uh to bring everyone in.

Will there be a VOD?

Yes, but it will not be live streamed.

That's another question.

Yeah, this is not going to be live streamed.

It will not be live streamed, but it will be recorded and at the very least segments will be posted.

Later though, right?

Probably just the informative ones or something.

I don't know.

We'll see.

When do you release the MAGA video you made before the J Diary?

That's actually a good question.

I was planning on doing more of those and combining them.

Because the foota we didn't get we only were able to interview like six people, I think, because we couldn't even get into the MAGA event.

We were outside of it.

And it was like raining and it was just a it was just a bad.

Weather, but it was good stuff we got the pe from the people we talked to.

It's just like not enough when I looked at it.

So

But you know what?

We are kind of, we're still obviously standing by MAGA communism as a slogan and owning up to that.

But it's not our primary fixation.

We're not just MAGA communists.

Like, that's a smear, that's another smear.

MAGA communism is a slogan.

Okay, so we are communists with a capital C, Marxist-Leninists.

That's what we are.

Okay.

we're future oriented.

And yeah, the premise of that is our unique analysis of the American situation, including the role of MAGA and stuff.

Yeah, we're we're we're here to um

We are post maga, actually.

We um American communism is post MAGA.

It's not stuck inside MAGA.

And I said that by the way, I said that from the beginning, by the way.

It's just no one listened.

Or you guys listened, but none of our idiot ops did.

Yeah.

Anon, what's up?

Consultation.

Research.

Political economic materialist analysis on the long-term viability of lobbies, government departments, ruling families, and MNCs.

The EFA 500 list.

The 2024 EFA Global Review.

Yeah, I mean, as far as the first stuff you said, like, yeah, it's going to be doing stuff like that.

Like, that's what it's about, you know?

The Institute is an institute.

It's trying to cultivate expertise on the question of is America even formally, like on a bourgeois level, like, is it even legal?

Like, is the government even legal at this point?

So that's what we're exploring.

And also, it's free America.

Like, free America.

Like, put it this way: we are not America.

Let me just simplify it for you.

All right.

I don't like the slogan.

I'm not throwing sh.

I'm not trying to attack anyone because I understand the intentions are good.

I'm just expressing my opinion, by the way.

I'm not telling you what to do.

I personally am not a big fan of America only.

As a slogan?

Obvi obviously we don't like America First as a slogan.

But I don't like I don't think America only is the correct response to America first.

Because you're not addressing the question of which America.

Which America, right?

The problem with America first is that it's first of all, the historical origins of the word are very bad.

Second of all, which America is first?

Are you just saying prioritize the American Empire over everything else?

So that's was ambiguous, right?

America only

Is a little bit off the mark because it's well, what do you mean America only?

We still will are trying to cultivate relations with friends, international friends.

We are not unprincipled.

Just because our position is not exclusively based on morality doesn't mean we have no morality or a sense of international norms and international law that we normativity, right?

Like, like, we do, okay, we don't, I don't care about Palestine.

I only care about America.

And to the extent that I care about Palestine, it's only to the extent that it affects my taxes.

Well, that's not really our position, actually.

We do have a global outlook, okay?

We do have an international outlook.

We do have a fundamental solidarity with Palestine and with Donbass, you know, and with China and Russia, whatever, and Iran.

Like we that's that's not just based on it's not pure Nietzschean stuff.

I think that's a false dichotomy actually.

We don't need to be either a pure self-interested Nietzschean or a moralist.

You just have to have a proper understanding of a hierarchy of what it means to have a concrete position.

So, the foundation is concrete self-interest, but that foundation also accompanies a universal and moral outlook as well.

So, for example,

It is true that it's not in the interest, the concrete self-interest of the American people or America as a country to continue supporting the Zionist entity.

But recognizing that isn't incompatible with also saying that the Zionist entity is a criminal, immoral, and evil entity.

You don't have to use the word moral directly, but you know you you shouldn't exaggerate too much.

Self-interest to the point where you're making that incompatible with a more international outlook, which we do have, obviously.

Yeah, it's through the particular that we understand the universal morality.

That's the point.

The point is through the particularity of concrete American interests,

we develop and cultivate a sense of what is universal,

That's what our position is based on.

So that's why American Only is just kind of trying to out-extreme America first.

And I don't think it works.

Okay, debate opponent in show Q, he wants to debate Hitler, no problem.

We'll get to it.

But uh

So so that that should be properly understood.

When you when you're just basing on your position of on see, this is I I need to uh outline this from a philosophical perspective in a way, right?

Because you may be confused about what I'm talking about.

Our position is not immoralism.

It's not Nietzschean immoralism.

Our position is very simple: that the moral

Is

Harmonious with, compatible with,

and rationally commensurate

with the material and the concrete.

We are against a morality that's based on thin air.

And which is based on the a priori bad faith position that every material self-interest or concrete interest is somehow amoral, and that morality comes from a superimposition of consciousness or pure will or whatever upon concrete self-interests.

In other words, our position is.

Morality is not just pure spiritual will.

Morality is also commensurate with that which feeds you.

People needing to feed themselves is not inherently amoral.

It is the context within which what is ultimately moral develops in a concrete way.

There is no morality without concrete material interests.

That's our position.

Our position is not, you know.

It's not this ridiculous position of just like oh see

The reason we believe in concrete self interest is not because we are immoral or amoral.

It's because that we trust that through the fulfillment of concrete self interest and its true actuality

M the what is truly moral will be fulfilled, because the moral arises from it and exists only within the context of the concrete.

and the actual and the material.

And then, all these kinds of dilemmas in which morality conflicts with concrete self-interest are false dilemmas, actually.

Those are false dilemmas.

Throw any one of them you can think of at me, and I'll tell you it's a false dilemma.

For example, well, what if it's true that the standard of living of the American people will go up if America continues committing crimes around the world?

Doesn't that mean it's in the concrete interest of the American people to support imperialism?

And it's like, but.

But the same apparatus which exerts um

Which exerts uh

criminal intentions and behaviors toward other peoples is also the same one that's used to regulate the population here.

America is not some tribe, okay?

America is itself an abstraction as well.

Um

So, it's not like it's a concrete tribe of people who just know each other and it's this pure kind of Nietzschean self-interest.

No, America's 331 million people.

And I'm sorry, and what is it?

Human memory.

You only know 200 people, okay, in your life concretely.

So, the same immorality that your government is doing against others necessarily does reflect internally about who you are, exist both existentially as well as even like in terms of how you know.

How uh the military occupation in Iraq, the equipment used in it was literally given to the police departments here to use against the people, right?

So it's like that's a more direct example of it.

But uh no, we are not isolationists.

We're not that's a smear word, we're not isolationists.

Isolationism the right-wing isolationism.

Um

That doesn't mean we support interventionism either.

We're neither interventionists nor isolationists.

We believe in focusing on America and having international solidarity with our allies, which is the international proletariat, the forces of the international proletariat, and anti-imperialism.

So, I mean, that's just traditional Marxism-Leninism for you, right?

Um

So the real slogan that I think is our answer to America first as a slogan is free America.

Our slogan is free America.

Before you can articulate America as a concrete self-interest, we need to acknowledge that that self-interest is not being reflected in the representatives of America, which is the government.

So that's square one for us is free America.

Before you say, okay, America first, America only, America a little bit, America partially, before you like squabble about that, how about America needs to be freed first?

Free America, right?

So that is our position.

Free America.

America needs to be freed.

You know, MAGA doesn't just say, why are we sending our money?

I'm not saying dial back on that focusing on concrete self-interest.

That's not what I'm saying.

Just don't assume.

That that is incompatible with international solidarity, that because it's not, because it's not.

Don't have a bad faith interpretation of MAGA.

and think, Oh, they they just care about, you know, wa they just care about uh they don't wanna send m they just care about money or something.

Like, no, it's more than that.

It's also principle, you know.

Why are we sending money to Ukraine to neo Nazis to

Murder civilians and terrorize civilians.

Instead of taking care of our own, that's not a cynical amoral position.

You know, why are we going abroad and slaughtering innocent people?

It's like, you see how it's combined?

You need to combine the two, actually.

You need to combine the two.

Don't be a moralist.

But don't also be a Satanist, it's that simple, and it's like you know.

What I'm saying is literally what Jesus said.

It's literally what the prophets said.

You know?

You gotta have a golden mean and not

Don't assume more don't have a conceit of moralism based on thin air, but don't also don't have this kind of Bronze Age pervert, because the end result of that is just ridiculous Bronze Age pervert nonsense, which is itself a contradictory position, inevitably, right?

It's not about altruism and it's not about selfishness.

It's a false dichotomy.

When you correctly appraise on an existential level or on an ontological level the object of will, you realize the object of will is not even a physical individual body.

The object of will is a social being.

So, for example,

And uh honor also has to figure into self-interest.

Honor is also part of self-interest because honor is a fundamental part of what your self is.

Yourself is not just your physical subsistence.

Your physical subsistence is clearly the after effect.

of processes

That

cannot be reduced to it, right?

But in the same way, your physical self, sorry, your self.

Your physical self is also, and this is lysenquism, affected by.

Things that are on the face of it intangible, like honor, like ideas, like your class position.

That's not a pure tangibility, your class orientation, you know, your um your character.

So

Before we have an argument about self-interest versus selflessness, no, that's a false dichotomy.

Because what is the self in the first place?

The self is not.

The subject of English utilitarianism, which is just a fat, money-grubbing, fat pig capitalist who just like is just trying to get as fat as possible.

That is not this the object of sorry, that is not.

The self.

That is not what the self is.

The self also includes things that are irreducible to the um.

to the physical definition.

constituted by your body, your physical your physical body.

Okay?

It also includes the relations that you're embedded within.

It also includes the purpose for which you are alive and so on and so on.

So that is a kind of philosophical lecture I wanted to give about America first versus America only and versus pre America.

I hope you understand it.

If there's any th before I get into this debate, if there's anything else I wanted to cover about the event,

You guys are on the right track in terms of American particularism.

That's a good thing.

I love the AI art and all that stuff, it's great.

We need to keep at that.

But let's not have a narrow parochial outlook or pretend to have that.

We are future oriented.

And you know what?

I'm gonna I'm gonna say some crazy shit.

You guys aren't even ready for it.

We we do we do have this is a pill that like nobody is ready for.

But we do have

a quality of globality to us.

Our America

Is so particular.

We have a we are concrete America, like rugged America, the land, the soil, whatever.

But that also gives us a global outlook as well.

It's not a prescriptive one where we're forcing oursel our ways on others or our perspective on others that's not what it means.

It just means we have a sense of like what Xi Jinping said, which is the shared and common destiny of mankind.

We share a common destiny as mankind.

Tell you what Xi Jinping says.

No, I'm not fucking talking about industrializing the world either, okay?

Don't.

Don't take my shit out of context because I see shit like that, I get super disappointed.

It's not what I'm saying.

No, we're not going to industrialize the world or save the world.

We are going to have a position of solidarity.

And understand a wide and lofty perspective where we understand, you know, just like what Xi Jinping says, we live on one planet.

And we are striving for a future where America, Russia, China, all nations live together in peace and cooperate together as equals for in pursuant to the common and shared destiny of mankind as a whole.

That's what we believe in.

All right.

Um

That's what I believe in.

It's because Zhijin, see, see, see, learn from China.

China also has an understanding of a perspective of globality.

China isn't trying to be a hegemon.

But Xi Jinping says, you know, we do have a shared con future as mankind.

And what does that look like in practice?

It it looks like sending delegates s to participate in international conferences and share your perspective and balance it with other people's perspectives and, you know, have a sense of responsibility for

You know, Putin has the same perspective.

You know, you guys need to understand something.

Parochial nationalism is not the position of Putin or Xi Jinping or Iran, you know, or all the people we like.

That's not their position.

It's not parochial nationalism.

It's very much based on a position of, you know, having a collective security architecture that works.

This is what Russia always said.

They're like, listen, Europe, we need to come together and agree on a security architecture.

Which doesn't involve NAT NATO encroaching upon us.

But you know, um how to deal with Russia and China are collaborate on things like how do we deal with uh criminality and banditry and human trafficking.

Like there's nothing wrong with that shit, you know, like how do we cooperate on mut mutual win-win economic development.

That's a good thing.

All right.

So it's just a kind of diplomatic perspective, it's not based on force.

It's not based on coercion or force, it's based on having a lofty, wide, futuristic kind of outlook, not a narrow, parochial one.

So, this is the meaning of internationalism, by the way.

That's what it has always meant.

Okay, I think this guy uh wants to debate, so let's just bring him up.

Hello.

Hello?

I'm not muted.

Yeah I am.

Yo, what's up?

Yeah, bro.

Um

So, what I wanted to debate about last night was not last night, a couple of nights ago, was I don't think this movement is necessarily succ going to be successful.

But, like, considering you have a whole, what's it called, event coming up?

I don't really want to shit on your parade.

But that was like what I was going back and forth with people in the Discord.

All right, well, here's where I'm going to come from when it comes to that.

See, I'm not a speculator like.

Like Wall Street bets or something, or like, um, uh, I'm also not an astrologer, okay?

So, when you're talking about you're not gonna be successful, it's kind of meaningless to me, okay?

Yeah, okay, yeah, let me explain better, right?

I just the question I was positing to the people within your community was: what concrete strategy you talk about, meat and potatoes, right?

Yeah, like, what do you, how do you plan to grow the movement?

Like, honestly, guys, I'm not shitting on you.

Like, I respect you to come here to ask me my plan.

I want you to lay out why you think our plan is incorrect or wrong because, how are you going to grow?

Like, what audience another question.

I mean, we have a solution, but what's your criticism of our viewpoint on this?

You're not targeting the right audience.

Uh, okay, like your message, who does your message appeal to?

Okay, who do you go to MAGA boomers, right?

Yeah, like the most like brainwashed anti-communist type of people.

Like, shouldn't you be trying to appeal to more of the red pill crowd?

And that's what I was like trying to bring up the other day.

And everyone was saying, Oh, why would we want to like appeal to people who listen to Sneakle or like Aiden Ross or they're retarded?

But isn't like the Zoomers the that's like the future.

You agree with that, no?

I I agree the young people are the future, but if you'll give me time to respond, I can explain.

Sure.

So, um I think one of the reasons we try to communicate with MAGA boomers is because

They come from identifiable blue collar working class backgrounds, and that also implies working class families, meaning their Zoomer kids come from those families.

When it comes to understanding the class nature of Zoomers,

As it is always, it's it's kind of ambiguous.

You know, a lot of people in college

You can't just judge what someone's class background is just because they're in college.

Some people are in college and they're in debt and they're not going to be able to get careers.

Some people are in college and their parents paid for everything and a future is set for them.

Some people are in college and they're going to piss it away themselves doing an interpretive dance degree.

And some young people are totally employed and can't find work and they can't find a job.

So young people generally, unless they're part of like the 1%, they kind of share a common fate.

But only the people whose parents are MAGA boomers, we think,

Are identifiably from the right working class families for whom our message could resonate.

Second of all, I agree that young people are the future and that we should vibe with them better.

I find this criticism a little bit curious because the biggest pushback that we get from the pan-leftists is that apparently we're too young and we're not Simpsons posting millennials enough.

We don't love The Simpsons enough and we're not millennial enough who like Chappelle Trap House.

Okay, but that's not like you're never going to appeal to those type of pan-leftists.

Like they're irrelevant.

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

I'm just saying.

I'm just trying to say, I don't know if you're giving us enough credit in terms of how we have been able to win.

Not necessarily people in high school, but adult 18 and up, you know, like 20 to late 20s, that demographic.

That goes into another thing.

Like, the message that you offer, it's not necessarily unique.

Like, no offense.

Like, a lot of your prescriptions and your solutions, like other movements offered them.

Which ones?

I mean, like, what are your economic solutions?

Like, nationalize the Fed, nationalize the energy industry.

Other movements offer like the general MAGA movement, like, that's kind of their position.

Aren't you, like, also kind of not isolationist, but you don't want to send money overseas and whatnot?

Like, a lot of other movements offer these same prescriptions, these same solutions.

But my contention is that the communists, dude, you're like, America first, the MAGA movement.

Where does MAGA call for nationalizing the fundamental?

Yeah, anyone that's anti-establishment has these general.

I think that a lot of them are libertarians and actually are not immediately open to that idea.

You really think the MAGA crowd is libertarian?

They're not anti-war.

They're not anti-intervention.

Sure, but you're talking about different things.

Being anti-interventionist isn't the same thing as believing that we should have a more similar economy to China where the land is all publicly owned.

All of the fundamental minerals and resources and the energy is nationalized.

I'm not saying that they would be closed to that idea.

I'm just saying it's not the default position of any other movement.

Yeah, let's say China is at like a nine, but the MAGA people are like at a three and you can conceivably work them up to the nine.

Like they'd be more open to it.

Like the more that just comes with knowledge because a lot of these MAGA people are just ignorant.

Okay, sure.

So we want to educate people.

So what's the problem with that?

So when you say our position is not unique, it's not true.

It is unique.

How is it unique?

You just admitted why.

Because if we have to educate people on this position that they don't automatically have, that means that we are the ones who have that position uniquely.

Otherwise, we wouldn't need to educate them.

Yeah, but all the solutions you're going to give, other movements give those solutions.

Sure, which ones?

Dude, America First?

When has America First ever really talking about economic policy in any prescriptive way?

But dude, Haas, you understand?

Like the economic part is the easy part.

I disagree with that.

Everyone who is anti-establishment, if you can get into power, the hardest thing is actually getting to power.

Once you get into power, it's kind of easy to come up with the economic solutions.

I get what you're saying.

I get what you're saying.

But it's not really...

The reason I'm mentioning economic isn't necessarily because I disagree with what you just said that, yeah, it's about taking power.

But our understanding of how the power works is based on class analysis.

And that is a unique perspective we have.

And that doesn't mean we're forwarding policy prescriptions that are out of this world.

It just means that we correctly have clarity in ways that other people don't in terms of how we operate.

We understand the class differences in ways that other movements simply don't, who are anti-establishment.

Okay, but how okay, how is you s okay, when you say the class like that's just like a slogan.

When you say the class conflict, what is what is the conflict between the like explain that?

Like because I mean with all due respect, I've spent probably most of my time on air explaining it.

So it's very clear my understanding of how hegemony works and how institutions work and how that relates to media and information warfare and yada yada yada.

And I don't really think anyone else isn't the general MAGA movement already anti-media or like you know Trump.

Yeah, but they don't understand how or why.

They just kind of it's just a they're not wrong in their instincts, but they don't have clarity on the matter.

Do you ever think you're going to get the MAGA public to that level of clarity?

Yeah.

The general people, they're not like they're not communist theorists, bro.

They can't understand.

Okay, sure, but it's not just theory, it's also having clarity in practice about having an explicitly working class based politics that are in the interests of the working class uniquely and exclusively.

Okay.

So what like what does that look like?

How can I describe it more than what I just said?

Like, so, so, what, how are you going to go about doing that?

Is what I'm asking.

Like, what's your what's your plan?

Well, our plan is to actually build and I've I think I've exhausted personally the extent of my reach.

I haven't fully exhausted, but I've exhausted what I can do on the internet without showing results in real life, I think.

So the next step is we're going to launch an organization which will in practice

organize people and in practice do the work that we think is necessary to have a presence in the real world and in real world politics and in communities that will distinguish us concretely from everyone else, not just in word, but also in deed.

Bro, the thing is, like, I I that process of waking people up and educating them, like, other movements can do it without the communist baggage that the aesthetic the name communism comes with.

Do you know what I'm trying to say?

No, I don't, because commun the reason it's important to have the quote-unquote baggage you're talking about is that that baggage is a set of tools that enables a specific, specific operational.

Operational, a unique operational orientation, which creates distinction between cadres and general masses, which distinguishes people who are class conscious and theoretically equipped from the general public who aren't.

And if you don't have a distinction like that, then you're not going to be able to distinguish between, you know, on an operational level, what you can do as an organization and for whom you are doing it for.

If you can't have that distinction, then when I get up on a podium and I address people, I'm not going to be able to draw distinctions between like, okay, am I talking to the people who are going to carry this out or am I talking to the general public, right?

That's a very important distinction to have.

You can't just talk to everyone at once, first of all.

So just that operational distinction that the communist baggage, as you're calling it, brings, allows for organization in ways that no other ideology does.

Every other ideology is based on a cult.

It's based on the complete cult of just one person giving everyone orders in general, right?

Communism is distinguished from that in contrast to other movements which require billions of dollars or which require some kind of like which turn into cults or something like that because it has an ability to organize people, distinguishing them operationally from the general public, while also growing the reach, the influence, and the sphere of activity of the organization itself.

Okay, but what are the issues?

And you can do that with a solid theory, actually.

The theory applied into practice.

But dude, the issues that Americans care about, right?

Like all that stuff you just said, how are you going to communicate that to the public?

You're going to communicate it by speaking on the issues that Americans actually care about.

Right, right.

But in order to identify what Americans care about,

Like I said, you need that operational distinction.

Trump already did.

I mean, Trump already did that, and Trump is not this.

Trump is a gambler who's walking in and blind.

He doesn't understand why the message resonates with people in the way that it does.

He just understands the results only.

But isn't it your position that the masses will never be like a communist elite?

Like, they will never be.

Yeah, I do agree.

But that's but what is a communist elite?

What is it supposed to do?

It's supposed to correctly translate theory into the language of the masses by correctly articulating the will of the masses in ways that the masses themselves cannot do by themselves.

Okay, all right, like so Trump kind of did that, but he was he was throwing darts blind and he managed to hit the target on accident.

Okay, he wasn't informed by a specific method, expertise, or theory which allows him to interface with the masses and actually understand what their position, their will, their consciousness is at.

So so what what what will be the central dominant worldview in the communist in your communist future, in your communist vision?

What do you mean?

Like like shouldn't there be a you know how the Middle East, it's like Islam, China, they have a central dominant worldview.

Like what will be the prevailing ideology, the prevailing worldview?

Like is it do you just will MAGA and far-left liberals coexist?

Like how how are you going to what will be the dominant worldview?

How are you going to unite these people like this clear contradiction between these very succinct different groups of people?

How do you plan to reconcile that?

I'm not sure if I understand your question properly.

If you're asking us how are we going to unite people around something like in a way, for example, where China has Confucianism and the Middle East has Islamic civilization.

That's based actually on the civilization where we live in America.

That's based on America as a unique region, as a unique civilization, and as a unique pole.

Yeah, but you realize like this whole unique civilization, the respect of the Constitution.

No, no, that's but I think you're reducing it.

I don't think you understand what it is properly.

And I think you actually do need a correct only one demographic, though only one group of people.

Like dude, liberals don't give a shit about this.

Well, okay, who okay, well, we can kind of break down the demographic of who lives here.

Hassan, Destiny, Fosh, you think they care about this shit?

Just let me know when you're ready to let me finish.

Okay, go ahead.

So, this is why a class analysis and an understanding of hegemony is actually important.

Because we can break down A, who the liberals are, B, what attaches people to liberal ideology, and C, what the ultimate cause of that is, right?

So, first of all, who are the liberals, right?

Liberals tend to be people who live in urban contexts.

They tend to be people whose money is primarily made on the basis of working for hegemonically aligned institutions, not based on labor, physical labor, what they do with their hands, but what they do with their head, right?

This is kind of the source of the liberal hegemony, so-called intellectual, creative, professional, whatever classes.

So that is kind of the crux of the basis of liberalism.

Second of all, who is under the sway of liberalism outside of this category?

Well, outside of this category, the youth are.

The youth are under the sway of liberalism, primarily because they are interpolated by liberal institutions, such as the media and such as institutions of higher education.

Even there's a counter-liberal movement starting.

Yeah.

But I'm just kind of breaking down to you, what liberalism is and who it reaches and how.

Yeah, because academia, media, entertainment, yeah, I get it.

So ultimately, all of those things are ultimately, that's a hegemony.

And the hegemony is obviously based in the ruling class because who funds the hegemony is the capitalist class, the ruling class.

You understand that, right?

Yeah.

That's who gives, that's who props up all the media, academia, organizations, all the corporations, whatever, right?

And that funnels and trickles down into a form of hegemony that interpolates people's consciousness.

And the closer you are to that hegemony directly in terms of its ability to spread its consciousness, the more inclined you are to be liberal.

Rural people tend not to be liberal because

It's not that they're outside the hegemony, it's just that they're not as directly

Swayed by it.

If you're working with your hands and your primary job is something that's based on labor, your consciousness is less important to shape than if you're a writer at Netflix, for example, right?

So it's not that that's not to say that your consciousness isn't important to shape at all.

Obviously, it is.

There's plenty of right-wing billionaires funding all these kinds of shadow hegemony, maybe you can call it.

But it's clearly not the hegemony.

It's not MTV.

It's not what you see on TV directly.

It's not, you know, the front-facing.

um consciousness of the empire, right?

Yeah.

So, okay, so how do you get around that?

How do you address that?

Well, it's simple.

It's through class struggle.

The problem with the youth being interpolated by hegemonic institutions.

That can't be solved just by kind of dismissing all the liberals as class enemies.

Obviously, it can't.

Right?

Also, u unions, I should add, are are part of this as well.

And I think unions are different than uh are different than the kind of

Uh

Mental laborers, I mentioned.

So, unions are another factor, right?

So, how do you address hegemony for populations that you do need?

Because the Hassan Pikers, the Voshes, and the Destinies, you don't need those people.

You don't need streamers.

You don't need people who make a living writing.

You don't need millions of liberals, dude.

Okay, let me explain this to you.

You're not listening.

It's all going over your head.

I understand there's millions, but the masses of liberals, those people can be easily swayed if you build alternative institutions that are more powerful and prove to be more powerful.

They will tail behind a working class movement as soon as it becomes more lucrative for them on a material and authoritative level, in terms of political authority.

So that won't be hard at all.

It's the ones whose class interest is bounded up with the hegemony, you can say our class enemies of the working class, primarily the capitalist class, right?

Primarily the Wall Street and whatever, right?

And then below that, you kind of have the.

The uh the mental laborers, so-called mental laborers and stuff, the Netflix writers and all them.

But anyway, listen, that is just a kind of great, that's a hierarchy that's based in one identifiable small ruling class.

So you don't have to worry about the polarization in America between the cities and the countryside and between you know blue versus red.

That seems very insurmountable and very intimidating when you're unable to break down the causes and the origins of these different positions through a materialist analysis, through a scientific analysis.

I get the origins of all of this perfectly.

The problem is, I just don't think your movement is particular enough.

It's like who should we be speaking to then that we're not now?

Like, I think you should be trying to speak to like the the red pill like people.

That's that's that's who I think.

I don't agree because you have to understand the only people among the red pill crowd we could be appealing to are let's call them the low-level viewers, not too invested, not too ideologically inclined, open-minded, whatever.

The issue is that.

You can pander to those people all you want, but if you don't have authority to back it up with in terms of clout, you're not going anywhere.

So it's a chicken and the egg type of thing.

And what you don't understand

Is that people who have clout that there's two factors to this?

It's not just having correct messaging, it's also having the authority to stand on that earns you the respect of an audience.

What does Hassan Piker have that I don't have, despite the fact that that man wears nail polish and speaks gibberish?

The difference between me and Hassan Piker is about 20,000 live viewers, and it's maybe a few million followers, a million followers or two.

Message is completely different.

Hassan's audience is aware of it.

It doesn't matter because the difference between me and Hassan Piker is that your average red pill guy, not red pill guy, but the average audience who's like barely invested with whom we could win over knows who Hassan is and doesn't know who I am.

Moreover, would be more inclined to listen to what Hassan says, even if they hate it and will dismiss it right away, than listen to anything I say because I don't have the clout or the authority to back up my words.

So that's the difference.

So in terms of our square one, I think you're getting it wrong.

Having and building a solid form of organization and community is the most important thing.

And only then and only then can you build and reach out to others.

Does that just go back to my initial point?

How do you plan to grow?

Yeah.

You're asking a question.

You're not critiquing our growth strategy.

You just don't know what it is.

I mean, dude, honestly, you start, you have a show coming up.

I don't want to comment on that.

No, by all means, I'm not shit on you or anything, bro.

That's fine.

Your comments will not make a difference on the success of my show.

I promise.

But I'm saying, like, dude, like, Haas, you've over the past year, I've watched you off and on.

Like, you've kind of stagnated in growth.

Okay.

And I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that.

Clearly, I haven't on Twitter.

Yeah, but that's thanks to October 7th.

See, that's another thing that you guys like to do.

Not really.

My Twitter following before October 7th.

You blew up because of October 7th, bro.

That's why Jackson went to 2 million followers.

Sure.

Well, that was a huge.

I agree.

That was a huge point of growth, but I was growing before October 7th very rapidly as well.

It's just that it wasn't as rapid.

Bro, the thing the thing is, even like Jackson.

You know, here you I th I think you're actually a perfect example of why you are not a shepherd archetype, you're a sheep archetype.

Because you're no, no, no, let me explain this to you.

Because you're sitting here

And trying to critique how I've stagnated from the back seat.

And you're like, oh, I don't.

But, but for example, you don't understand I was banned for six months on Twitter.

You don't understand I've been banned on Twitch.

You don't understand that I can't live stream to YouTube anymore because they're starting to crack down and they're going to delete my channel and delete all my videos.

So I have to literally walk on eggshells.

You don't understand how I'm literally facing all these hurdles.

You're just looking at the effects of all of that.

You're upset that I'm not.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't think it's because you're incapable of it.

I'm going to mute you for a second because I want to just kind of get this message through.

I think you're kind of insulting my audience right now because you're basically talking about the effects of a huge systemic hurdle that I faced.

Who Hassan Piker did not face.

Hassan Piker, who was unclear Jenk Uyghur and was easily able to become famous through his nepotistic family connections right away, who has never faced any kind of censorship at all.

And you're looking at his success, and you're saying, why aren't you that successful?

Well, I've had a lot of things thrown in my way, I've been under attack by a lot of different forces.

But despite that, my community sticks with me.

Why?

Because they understand

Were it not for those forces, I would be way more famous than I am now.

My community actually does have excellent taste.

That's what I'm trying to say.

I'm not going to let you insult my community by you just kind of dick riding

All of these different authorities that you respect, I understand you respect the authorities.

I don't have authority.

I don't control Twitch.

I didn't control Twitter before Elon Musk, where I got banned for six months.

I don't control YouTube that gets me banned all the time.

I don't control the FBI or the CIA, who literally every other day is spreading some kind of bullshit, bad jacketing, fake nonsense against me to destroy my reputation.

I don't control any of these things.

Were it not for these kinds of factors, you would not be talking this way to me.

Were it not for the authorities who you actually respect, which is the government, you would be getting down on your knees.

And you would be bowing to me, you would be worshiping, you would be groveling at my feet if I didn't have to face these kind of obstacles, because you would see 10,000 live viewers next to my name instead of 600.

So, but but only because your king, your true authority.

Which is the hegemony, has been able to suppress me as much as they have been.

Only because of that, and exclusively because of that, do you sit here and complain about perceived stagnation online?

Now, as if it's not something I've also thought about.

By the way, I think you're exaggerating the stagnation, but I agree YouTube has definitely stagnated, but I can't upload or post to YouTube because I'll get my channel banned if I keep doing it persistently.

I'm scared of my YouTube growing, to be completely honest.

If my YouTube listen, I want you to use common sense.

Do you think tomorrow, if I got 100,000 subscribers, that YouTube wouldn't crack down and delete my channel?

Be honest with yourself.

You don't have to answer.

It's rhetorical.

Be honest with yourself.

Jackson.

Has already gotten banned from YouTube with no explanation, by the way.

You think I could go viral on YouTube and become like Hassan Piker or something and not get immediately deleted and banned?

That would be the first thing that happens.

I know that, and you know that.

It's a miracle I'm on Twitter still, and that's only because of Elon Musk.

And here I am on Kik only because this is a free speech platform and I'm on Rumble.

The only mainstream platform I'm on is YouTube because they haven't deleted my channel yet because I barely post on it.

Okay, so you respect those authorities.

I get it.

You respect them because they have power, because you're a sheep.

A sheep only respects the guy with the big stick who's beating on people with the big stick because you're a sheep.

Because your instinct is to be correctly corralled and shepherded by an actual shepherd.

I have a community of shepherds whose tastes are based on actually independently being like, you know what?

Even though this Haas guy isn't super famous, he deserves to be.

And I have the taste to make that judgment independently.

I actually think Haas

Is someone based on my own independent judgment that I think.

is worth following.

See, my followers aren't sheep.

If they were sheep, they would be Hassan viewers.

It takes a lot to have the mental independence to be part of this community.

Okay?

Because I have no power or authority that's established that speaks for itself.

I don't have that.

I can't just tell people I'm already famous and viral, so therefore you should listen to what I have to say.

I have to say the same thing that I said when I had 10 viewers.

And this community that you see, you should be floored that it's as big and dedicated that it is now.

Because of what I just mentioned.

Because I've literally been saying the same shit that I did when I had ten viewers.

And they can see that because they're not sheep, they're shepherds.

So I'm gonna unmute you, but I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Jesus Christ, Haz, you just straw manned me to fucking hell.

First of all, I don't like Hassan.

I don't even watch Hassan.

I'm not saying you like him.

I'm just saying you respect him.

I hate Hassan.

I hate this.

No.

And I don't it's not.

I'm gonna mute you again because I just

So, I'm going to unmute you shortly, but I don't want to waste my time with this because I'm not saying that you like them.

I'm saying that you respect them.

If you're in prison.

Unless you're about to make a break for it, right?

Unless you're about to run, you respect the guards.

You do respect them because they're the ones with the guns.

They have the power.

Of course, you respect them.

Okay?

So you respect Hassan because he has twenty thousand concurrent viewers and so many followers.

His voice is intrinsically more important to you, even if you disagree with it, because of that.

And I'm not even trying to say that you're a bad person for that.

I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying you are a good example of how our community our strategy is informed by an understanding that most people are like you.

Most people do not think for themselves and only really speak the language of power, authority, and clout.

That's just and I'm not saying they're bad people for that either.

I'm just saying most people don't think that much in general and are just going to take what they what they see, right?

And clout speaks for itself.

But you need to understand that I've been saying the same things that I've said since I had 10 viewers.

I've gotten as far as I have now.

Even though I've declared war against like every other political community and I've made it this and I and the most important thing is, you claim I've stagnated, I beg to differ.

I have maintained probably the strongest and most aggressive online communist community, the most loyal, the most dedicated and the most advanced.

And that's not easy, actually.

That you don't just get that automatically.

You don't get that automatically.

You understand?

So let's be clear.

This is not an automatic thing.

You say it's stagnation.

Really?

Really?

It's stagnation.

How?

You just don't remember what it was like one year ago when it was 2023.

You don't remember that.

Oh go ahead, I'll unmute you.

Bro, that's why I didn't want to get into this topic is you just went into a whole tangent like completely missing my point.

The whole point I was trying to make was I just don't think communist the communism message is that attractive.

I don't think you're not growing.

I don't think you're not growing because of anything about you.

I think you have good insights.

Yeah, I think you have a lot of choice.

Well, I want to clarify where we're coming from as communists.

We are not communists because it's popular.

We're communists because it's true.

Okay, you still have to grow, though.

Yeah, but but if it's the truth, then the growth is just a matter of having the correct strategy, actually.

Okay, let's let's let's look at uh Nick Fuentes.

He's like just as like banned as like anyone, right?

And he's still managed to grow because he's tapping into like okay.

How how long has Nick Fuentes been a personality on the internet?

Haas, be honest with me right now.

If you you're saying if you've been around since 2016, you would be as big as Nick Fuentes right now.

Probably bigger, probably much bigger.

You genuinely believe that.

I not only believe it, I would be willing to bet literally my entire life on it.

And specifically 2016, because we would have been able to prevent the cancer.

How would the communist fucking movement like my patience is very limited?

I just server muted him because he just screamed at me, screaming how when I was literally in the middle of explaining how.

Um, that was very frustrating.

You know, I'm I'm managing my anger because I'm a patient person now, but I didn't really like how he screamed, and I could literally hear the screeching vibration in his throat.

How when I was in the middle of explaining how.

Didn't appreciate that at all.

Wasn't a big fan of that.

But in any case, to explain to you how, in 2016, we did not see the growth of the cancerous pan-leftist online psyop.

Hassan Piker wasn't the thing.

Destiny was barely a thing.

Vosh wasn't a thing.

All of these people who have played a fundamental and pivotal role in getting us censored, deplatformed, getting our reputations destroyed, smearing us as neo-Nazis, they wouldn't have been around.

We would have a much more solid footing, fresh off of the failed Bernie Sanders movement, in 2016 had we started then.

So, yes, I have no doubt whatsoever that we would have been much more, much, much bigger, much bigger if we started then, as opposed to starting in 2021.

And it's only been three years.

So I'll unmute you.

Go ahead.

Yeah, but the political climate wasn't primed to accept a communist message.

Like i i a communist with a capital C, right?

The left would still consider you as fascists, right?

Well, look, here here's the thing: Nick Fuentes.

Uh you don't remember this, but he was actually he worked for the Daily Wire, he worked for Ben Shapiro.

Hassan Piker worked for the Young Turks.

So it's not about the message.

It's about which institutions are going to give you the credibility that you need for people to listen to you to have a foot in the door right off the bat.

You think the Daily Wire's crowd like boosted off Fuentes?

What?

What?

Are you serious, bro?

Let me server mute you so I don't get any interruptions.

I don't think that I know that because I know it was the young conservatives and the TPUSA who were primarily Ben Shapiro's audience or a big part of his audience at the time that did.

Absolutely.

I do know that for a fact.

I'm not sure why that's uh comedy to you.

It's just the fact.

It doesn't matter what message you're putting out.

It matters the what credibility you have based on which authorities are legitimating you.

I never had any l authority legitimate me, not once.

Who what authority ever legitimated me, Caleb Maupin?

By the time authorities began legitimating me, I had already made a name for myself.

Zirka, who's not even political,

Zerka did do me a solid, I'm not going to lie, but it wasn't a political benefit.

It was just he, it was a huge clout injection I got just because.

He Zirka was already viral.

So I agree with that.

But in terms of the political.

Movement.

he could only do so much.

But Hassan Piker had the Young Turks.

His uncle literally owns the Young Turks.

The young Turks in turn gets injections of how much money from billionaires, the what's his name, the Kratzenbergers or whatever.

I mean, I yeah, sorry, dude.

We built see what you don't respect and what I'm going to demand you respect as a condition of being here.

Is that we built this shit from the ground up?

We built this shit from the ground up.

Literally from the ground up, we built this shit from the ground up.

You understand?

Don't you ever compare me to another fucking political community.

We built this shit from the ground up off the backs of nothing but ourselves.

And who did we have the connections with to give us legitimacy and credibility?

Nobody.

All they did was shit on us and laugh at us.

We built this shit and we alone built this shit.

You understand?

Who Caleb Maupin gave me credibility?

I surpassed Maupin in three, four months.

Who gave me credibility?

Who gave me legitimacy?

Who boosted me up?

The best thing you can say is Wow Mau did.

But that was a comedy video.

That was a comedy video.

Who Destiny?

His community have never respected me.

There was a time they didn't cancel me, but they never respected me.

They never agreed with any shit I say.

Destiny never endorsed my messages.

Matter of fact, I debated him multiple times.

Even when there was no personal beef with us, we had very aggressive debates.

Like on the Uyghurs right away, I was getting called Adolf Hitler because I denied the Uyghur genocide.

So when you look at this community and you look around and you're not satisfied with where it's at and you're trying to compare us to others, I want you to remember that we built this shit.

We alone built this shit and no one else.

Excuse me for raising my voice.

Go ahead.

Okay.

In the same way, how you went against the top leftist streamers, Nick was an adversary to Ben Shapiro.

Ben Shapiro didn't even debate Nick, but Destiny was debating you.

I'm going to mute you again because you're not getting the message.

Yeah, that's true when he broke with him.

I'm not denying that that happened.

But he had the benefit of being.

Part of the Daily Wire.

You think that's how I started out?

I started out as a hairy Arab dude streaming from his apartment who was in the middle of law school.

Puad, no one has ever seen my face anywhere.

Do not compare me to other communities.

Do not compare this community to other communities.

Because go and ask those communities if we're just like them, because we're not.

Everyone knows we're fucking different.

We are made of something different.

We are not like any L I want to explain to you what this community is, just so it's clear, because you seem to not understand it.

Hassan Piker trembles at the mention of us.

He trembles at the mention of us.

How many of us are there?

A few hundred?

A thousand max?

He has millions.

He trembles at our name.

When I had but a thousand followers, all the biggest accounts were coming after me.

People I didn't even know, but they knew who I was.

They saw the devotion.

They saw the belief.

They saw the motivation.

They saw the energy of a small community.

And they were scared.

Scared enough to find it necessary to destroy my reputation and crush me in my cradle.

And guess what?

They failed.

And we're still fucking here.

And we're here because we're here.

Thanks to no one else but us.

Excuse me for raising my voice.

Excuse me for raising my voice.

But you need to understand the honor that comes with being a part of this community.

You need to understand the honor, the pride that comes with it.

This is what you don't understand.

You shouldn't be asking the questions that you're asking, which is.

How are you going to go?

Don't ask us questions.

Ask the question: why are they so dedicated even now, even still?

Why is there so much energy here?

Why is there so much dedication?

That's the question you should be asking.

And you need to, and the reason you don't understand that is because you don't understand the honor and pride that comes with being in this community.

A community that has persevered against all odds, thanks to nothing, nothing but itself.

I can't think of a single example like that.

I can't think of a single example that compares.

I'm sorry, I struggle.

I struggle to understand how we can be compared to anyone else.

Because the first thing I said, the first thing I said when I turned this camera on and when I hit that live button was that I'm 100% Stalinist and I'm 100% Maoist and that I'm a Marxist-Leninist and a communist with a capital C.

And I said it without flinching.

I said it without compromising.

And that's the hill I stood on, and it will be the hill I die on.

And I said that with two viewers, and I'm saying it now.

And you can imagine how that immediately marginalized me.

All of my career opportunities to go to the Young Turks, the door is shut on me.

The Daily Wire, the door is shut on me.

The door is shut on me for vice everything, everything credible and legitimate.

Any mainstream streamers who want to defend me, the door is shut.

I am marginal and ostracized.

I'm a totalitarian.

I'm a fr I'm in a fringe cult.

But that's the message I died on, I insisted on from day one.

And we've gotten this far.

You need to understand and appreciate that in 2021, it was not normal to be a Stalinist.

It wasn't normal to rep Stalin directly.

Nobody was doing it.

It's commonplace now on Twitter among pan-leftists.

We pushed that Overton window, we did it.

Go ahead, I'll unmute you.

Okay.

That diatribe over, right?

Destiny started from nowhere.

That's untrue.

That's fundamentally untrue.

Wasn't he just like a casino fucking person or a Destiny was a professional esports player.

Okay, you you're comparing that to you're saying that's akin to having political backing?

Is that what you're trying to say?

The minute he started getting involved in politics, he was getting boosted and a ton of support from hegemonic forces, getting coached, whatever, to push back against the alt-right stuff immediately.

Okay, so so your contention why you're by the way, by the way, you don't understand this, but Hassan Piker came from Destiny and his community on Twitch.

Before Destiny, there was no progressivist politics culture on Twitch at all.

Twitch was like 4chan.

It was the same thing as 4chan.

Destiny was able to grow.

He was able to grow because he had the backing of head.

Because I don't want to mute you, but I want to get this.

What backing issue?

What backing?

Because 4chan was pretty much the s sorry, Twitch was pretty much the same thing as 4chan.

And when Destiny came onto the picture, all of the institutions, all of the media hegemonies, all these people who started seeing he was pushing back on it to put forward Democrat, whatever progressivist politics, he started getting glowing, glowing.

Glowing articles and all this kind of stuff, backdoor, you know, sympathy, support, whatever, the full extent of which we don't even know fully.

But he made a lot of connections by doing that.

Okay.

So much so, by the way, he created Hassan Piker.

So that tells you all you need to know.

That was the context out of which Hassan Piker emerged.

Okay?

But most importantly,

You know, the the the the the the element of this puzzle that you're missing is that Destiny's position did not earn him the destruction of his character, his personality, his reputation.

He didn't get attacked by psyops from the federal government or from NGOs.

He didn't have Katie Paul get his Twitch banned for being a Kremlin disinformation agent because he was saying all of the things that the hegemony wants to be said.

So

Just like what he's doing now when it comes to Israel.

He's basically saying all the things that are going to earn him

support from the people that are already in power.

So it's a very safe way to grow politically, to be very aggressive in defending the message of the hegemony and the status quo, who because then who's going to come after you is only the extremists.

Now now it's less lucrative, obviously.

But at the time, it was an extremely lucrative way to start a political career.

And he already, by the way, had the authority in the cloud of being a professional esports player.

So it's a non-starter to make the comparison, actually.

Flacco, what's up?

What's going on?

So go ahead, I'll unmute you.

Okay, everything you said you went through, Nick went through 10 times worse, and he's been able to survive.

You know what?

I'm gonna push back on that.

I'm gonna push back on that.

First of all, it's a non-starter because of the origins I just mentioned with with the credibility that came from the institutional form of American Republican, whatever, conservatism.

I never had that.

I I I turned on the camera and started praising Stalin immediately, okay?

Second of all, those issues

are not comparable to my issues, because my issues do not stem

From real life events in which there were atrocities or crimes, like Charlottesville, for example.

Like before Charlottesville, no one from the alt-right was getting any pushback on any on any really, really I mean, severe level.

Charlottesville changed everything.

What Charlottesville justifies what's been done against me.

Did I did I did we organize something like that and then someone came and drove a car and started running people over?

Nothing.

Nothing.

There's no real life violent event that I could be traced to or attached to that could justify that persecution.

That's not to say I think the persecution is justified in itself.

I'm against censorship.

But it's not compara the the push the hurdles that I've been that have been thrown at me are not comparable.

Because all I have done

And moreover, it's even more incomparable, actually.

Because think about it.

They can't even use the excuse against me that I'm hateful, who am I hateful toward.

Even before we started pushing back on LGBT politics.

I was treated in the same way as a neo-Nazi, but there was nothing I was saying that was racist, nothing I was saying that was bigoted, nothing I was saying that was talking about Jews or Hitler or anything.

So you know what?

It's not comparable actually.

The the level of persecution that we've faced, that I've faced, they didn't even have a proper excuse for themselves.

I'm not saying I agree with the excuses.

I'm just telling you they didn't even have they didn't even have to give an excuse to crack down on a real capital C communist who's an actual communist.

They didn't have to have an excuse.

Go ahead, I'll unmute you.

Okay, but the outcome is the same.

You guys were both banned.

Okay, the the outcome cannot be the same if the premises are different, right?

Ed literally is though.

You guys were both banned on off of all these different things.

Okay, K, K, listen, listen.

Let me explain this to you carefully.

Square one, you can't compare them.

Even if we went even if uh we went through similar deplatformings or even depl he has it way worse when it comes to deplatforming now.

I agree, I agree.

He is banned off Twitter and I'm not.

Okay.

And Instagram, but here's the difference.

In order for him to have acquired the fame that he did, to have gotten to that point, he already was given initial boost that I was never that I never had the opportunity to have.

And that's the difference.

And I've been trying to explain that to you.

I never worked for the Young Turks or The Daily Wire or something else.

I was never made into a credible personality that people listen to right off the bat just because I'm hired by the right people.

And I work for the right media company.

Crow Mipers got Destiny's dick and balls down they throat like catboy Cammy.

Goofiest off white Nazi community.

Give me a break.

Boot this retard Aussie Cook Tim.

Thank you for the donation.

Listen, I'm just going to explain it this way.

We don't have to go into all this stuff.

I'm just going to explain it this way, alright?

Authority and credit, just to get a foot in the door, people to respect you.

That's literally everything.

And I'm not saying everyone who has that will automatically be as successful or resilient as the people you're mentioning.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm just saying it's a fundamental.

It's a fundamental square one in premise you need to have.

There is no one who did what we did.

That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Nobody did what Infrared did.

Literally nobody.

Nobody turned on the camera with two or five viewers right away said

Uh Stalin is great or anything and with equivalent controversy right off the bat and got to the point that we got to.

That's all I'm trying to say.

No one has done that.

Literally no one.

Go ahead.

Hasn't Jackson done that?

Jackson is the same thing as us.

What are you talking about?

Jackson is part of the infrared community.

He has his own community, obviously, but it's not even comparable.

Even this community is also Jackson's.

This community is also backing and behind Jackson.

So, what are you talking about?

Jackson, by the way, is in the same.

This is also Jackson's ability to grow.

As much as he did is part of the history of this community as well.

I met Jackson when he had 29,000 subscribers.

I'm not saying we're responsible for it, I'm saying that.

His resilience, his ability to do what he did, was against all odds, right?

It was against all odds.

And

Moreover, our tasks are different.

We do different things.

There's a different division of labor going on.

So I don't even know what you're talking about.

So let me get this straight.

You're saying Nick Fuentes getting boosted by Ben Shapiro is so significant that that is the reason why he's as big as he is today.

That's what you're saying.

No, I'm saying I'm saying that that makes both of our communities and it makes us uncomparable.

Because I never had anything like that.

One thing.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

One thing that boosts, that gives you a boost right away, that makes you a credible authority right away.

Yeah, I never had that.

I had to build...

I had to earn everything just by myself.

That's it.

No one ever came and intervened on my behalf to say this guy is credible.

Do you understand what this is?

No one did that for me.

Do you know how much of a difference that makes when someone who is already authoritative and has legitimacy points at you and says, This person is credible?

Do you know that's literally what makes or breaks everything?

I had, not only did I not have that, I had the opposite.

I had the opposite.

There is no institution.

There is no organization.

There are no major personalities.

Nothing, nothing, nothing vouched for me.

Nothing vouched for me.

The only thing that vouched for infrared is infrared itself.

So we are in.

You cannot compare us to anyone else.

Okay, okay.

Which goes back to my original point.

Like, you didn't have people corralling around you because the communist message is just not attractive.

Okay, because I'm not a fucking cocksucker and I believe what I say because it's true, not because people in power agree with me.

That's fucking why.

So so or or it's just not attractive.

Like what n you you think people in power agree with Nick Fuetez saying he loves Hitler?

The fuck?

Like do you think people in power agree with Mark Fuetz?

Wait, dude, we're running in circles.

Did he start his career saying he loves Hitler?

You're telling me I should have tailored my message to what people want to hear instead of what I think is true.

Sorry, no.

Now, I'm not even saying that's the case for him.

He genuine, maybe he genuinely changed his beliefs in the way that he did, but it doesn't matter either way because he had the benefit that I didn't have.

I wasn't always a communist.

But I was I've been a communist since I was thirteen years old, fourteen years old.

I've been I've been I've been repping that since I was fourteen.

I I remembered you saying you started as a leftist.

Doesn't matter.

I've been repping Marxism since fourteen.

The word Marxism since I was fourteen years old.

And by the way, it was worse back then.

Back when I was 14 years old, there weren't even any fake Marxists that were big.

There was no Hassan, there was no Vosh, there was no DSA, there was no AOC, there was no Bernie Sanders.

You know how fringe Marxism was back then?

It was even more fringe than neo-Nazism.

Even neo-Nazism was like way bigger.

It was totally a joke.

Jason Unruh was the only one.

You know Jason Unruh?

Do you know who that is?

He was the only one when I was a Marxist on the internet who who was big.

Dude, m you're you're trying to say Marxism is more attacked than Nazism now?

All right, bro, that's kinda wild.

One thousand percent Marxism has been more subverted, attacked and maligned by the government, by the hegemony, than neo Nazism in America.

Yeah, is that because they already defeated Nazis and they like Russia is an economic power?

So in the same way how they appointed that's because they appointed Nazis to be the head of NATO in the same way how they go against Iran, not because Iran is Muslim, because they do business with Saudi Arabia.

They go after these countries because they're regional economic powers who could pose a threat to the U.S.

hegemony.

It's not because the U.S.

has never fought as aggressively it has against anything except communism.

No, because it's Russia and it's China, two regional fucking potential superpowers.

Do you know what the FBI is?

Yes.

What's the origin of the FBI?

Why was it created?

You're going to say to contain the communist threat.

That's correct.

Before communism, there was no FBI.

Before the government perceived a communist threat, before the ruling class perceived a communist threat, we didn't even have an FBI.

So, yes, there is nothing, nothing, nothing the U.S.

government has fought as aggressively as it has fought communism.

Nothing.

Nothing compares.

Yeah, but it's not because of communism.

Yes, it is.

It's because.

Yes, it is.

Oh, dude, economic fucking disputes take precedence.

So it's because communism.

So it's because communism.

So it's because communism.

Dude, the United States will attack anyone who represents uh dude, that that's why they went up to Libya, Gaddafi, a different economic order.

Gaddafi was a socialist who was funded by the USSR and would not have existed without the USSR.

Next question.

Okay, so you agree it's because of economic realities that communism is an economic phenomenon.

It's a class war, dude.

What do you think communism is?

Just an ideal?

Dude, but the point is that they're going out to these countries not be they just happen to be communists.

If they were anything, no, no, they don't just that's where you get it wrong.

There's it's not a coincidence that they were communists.

That's what you're not understanding.

It's absolutely not a coincidence these were communist countries.

There's a reason they were communist.

There's a reason people who challenged the status quo successfully were communist.

That's what you don't get.

There is a reason for that, dude.

What's the reason?

The reason is actually superficial.

It's because communists

create a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Which undermines the interests of the international capitalist class and fights against those interests by defending the sovereignty of their own countries on the basis of the creation of sovereign proletarian dictatorships, which take the resources of the country and put it in the hands of the common interest instead of the international capitalist class.

Okay, so Hitler and the West went after him.

Okay, cool story.

At what point did the West go after Hitler?

Please, let's do a history lesson.

So World War II wasn't a thing, according to you?

What was the year they went after Hitler?

Can you name it?

They went to war in 1939.

When did Hitler come to power?

1933.

When did Hitler acquire political significance in Germany?

Bro, it doesn't matter the whole Name it, name it, name the year, name the year, name the year you think.

Was it the Beer Hall push?

Na just name it, anything.

Nineteen thirty one.

Okay.

You're saying nineteen thirty one.

Sure.

Okay, let's work with that.

What did the West do to confront Hitler before nineteen thirty nine?

Okay, you're gonna say they appeased them.

They didn't.

No, I'm asking you what they did to confront him before 1939.

Go ahead.

Kid, dude, that doesn't negate the fact that they went to war with him.

You understand that, right?

I'm asking you what they did to confront Hitler before 1939.

They're gonna just randomly start a war?

All right, all right, we can move on to another question.

When did the communists take power in Russia?

Bro, you're the communist.

You give me the history lesson.

Bolshevik Revolution.

Do you know the year?

Nineteen seventeen?

That was the year that the Allies invaded Russia.

And started funding the White Army and doing everything in their power to overthrow the Bolshevik government.

That was the same year.

It happened right away.

1918 was the official invasion, but before then, right within the few months, they started mobilizing to destroy the Bolshevik government through their agents and funding the White Army and organizing it right away.

Hitler takes power in 33, nothing happens to him.

You're dancing around the fact that I'm not dancing around anything, sir.

Hitler had a revolution of the proletariat, as you put it, and the whole Western hemisphere decided to crush Nazism.

How exactly did Hitler have a proletarian revolution, as I would put it?

Did he not nationalize nothing?

Not a single thing.

Nothing.

As a matter of fact, he privatized everything.

Not only did he not nationalize, he empowered the industrial cartels that were created by Wall Street to pay debts, to continue paying debts to the Bank of International Settlements to such a profound degree that even during the height of the war, World War II, Wall Street executives were sitting on the board of IG Farben and the major German industrial cartels.

That's how private they were.

They weren't just private in terms of private German capitalists.

They were literally controlled by international private capital, even during World War II.

Okay.

So even i if that's all true, right?

The whole Western Hemisphere still went against Hitler.

Like, they the war happened.

That was let's talk about the war if you don't want to talk about examples that destroy your point and your argument.

But let's talk about the war.

It doesn't though.

It doesn't though.

'Cause okay, then explain why they would go to war with Hitler i if if he was somehow an agent of the of the British.

Explain that.

Give an explanation.

Why did they wait till 1939?

Why did they do nothing to stop why did they even help him before then?

So you're you're saying because Germany had economic realities that involved the uh the existing financial capital monopoly prior to Hitler.

So I'll I'll actually explain everything for you, okay?

Okay.

Germany invades Czechoslovakia.

What does he do?

Go ahead.

He takes all the gold.

Who helps him transfer the gold?

The Bank of England they approve of the transfer of all the gold from Czechoslovakia.

and the Nazis took it.

When the Nazis invaded Eastern Europe, what were they doing?

Letting you talk, bro.

Sorry?

I'm I said I'm letting you talk, bro.

Okay.

Do you would you agree the primary target of the Nazis was Eastern Europe and Russia?

Yeah, I would agree with that.

You would agree that's where the majority of the fighting happened, the majority of the mobilization of troops was happening, right?

Because France wasn't really a fight, was it?

Yeah.

Okay.

So until 1941, when the Soviet Union gets involved, in what way were the English actually fighting the Nazis?

Were they like sending a huge bunch of troops into Eastern Europe and undermining Nazi activities there to a huge significant extent?

Where was the majority of the fighting taken?

So, okay, okay, Haas, Haas.

Enough of this fucking observation, what do you think the British rule was with?

I'll explain it to you exactly.

Just explain it right now.

Because the British could not fully control Eastern Europe politically and had to maintain the veneer of diplomatic relations and ties to these various countries like Poland and others, they couldn't exactly do what they wanted to do, which was loot all of the wealth and the gold from Eastern Europe, transfer it to themselves in part so they could pay the Americans back for their debt during World War II, but mainly so they could reorder the European and consolidate the European continent as a whole because they undermined Germany's control of it after World War II and they wanted to take that control but didn't have the means to do it.

So Hitler was sent there to completely cause devastation, wreck havoc, and completely cause death and destruction.

Meanwhile, the British, who had treaty obligations to defend Poland and other countries, for example, didn't really lift much of a finger to stop Hitler's eastward activities or encroachments up until and he invaded the USSR and not a single point during that war after he invaded the USSR did the West deign to open up a second front.

If they were interested in confront, if the whole Western hemisphere was united against Hitler, they would have opened up a second front, which is what Stalin repeatedly told Churchill and Roosevelt to do over and over again.

They teamed up with Stalin.

Don't forget that.

No, no, no.

They did not do that because they didn't open a second front.

That's why the Soviets bore the entire brunt of the actual war and the skirmishes, which is what they were.

And German officers, the way they describe the battles they had with the English, are fundamentally different from how they do with the Soviets.

So Haas, Haas.

Because that was a gentleman's squabble.

That wasn't a fucking war.

Your position is that Hitler was a British agent.

Why didn't Hitler invade England?

Because Hitler ideologically, he had the means to land troops on England, invade it, and take it.

He didn't dare do that.

Why didn't he do it?

He was writing letters to Stalin before Operation Barbarossa making a million different excuses about why he can't do it.

Dude, he did not view the British as his enemy.

Okay.

There we go.

Thank you.

Thank you.

He did not view the British as his enemy because they weren't his enemy.

His enemy were the Bolsheviks, the Asiatic Bolsheviks.

The British people were not his enemy.

The British ruling class, sure, they heard.

So what is it?

Was everyone in Eastern Europe and Russia Hitler's enemy?

Have you not read fucking Hitler's writings?

He viewed the British as like a cousin of Germany.

So he viewed them as people were worse.

You're right.

So we agree.

The whole Western Hemisphere didn't unite against Hitler because they weren't enemies.

But that doesn't mean that Hitler was like an agent of the British ruling class.

His reservation to go to Britain.

He demonstrably was in the most accurate definition of the word agent.

He was literally an agent of their interests and fulfilling and carrying out their interests in continental Europe.

To the point where after the phony Nazi regime collapses.

The Western powers swoop in, retain all of the infrastructure created by it, retain the military apparatus of coercion and control, retain its economic structures, retain all the concentrations of gold that it had looted, and funneled them into international offshore banks to finance the Cold War.

And there you have the history of the whole damn thing.

Hitler inherited an economic system that pre-existed prior to him.

Like, that does not mean that it's not.

No, he didn't just inherit it.

He bolstered it, strengthened it, and provided the mechanism of political dictatorship, which democracy could not do, so that its interests could be fulfilled better than it was before.

Germany's economy was created by Wall Street.

This is some revisionist history.

No, it's not.

Germany's major industrial cartels were venture capitalist enterprises created by Wall Street in the late 20s.

To help pay off the debt.

Stalin, Russia had no economic benefit.

They didn't receive economic aid from the West at all during the war.

None of that happened, right?

According to you.

It was very minuscule and insignificant.

So so wouldn't that wouldn't Stalin count more as an agent 'cause he actually legitimately like received aid to to fight Hitler, to crush Hitler?

Like that actually happened, right?

Like that was it was it was such a small and negligible amount, it's not even worth mentioning.

Bro, like the fact that you are dying on this hill, that Hitler was an agent of the British, is just like, it's just, I think, can I, can I, um, provide a hypothesis of why you're dying on this hill?

I prevented you a lot of facts that clearly point in the direction of this being a very reasonable and even correct perspective.

But the reason that you're not willing to accept it is because it's not credible on an authoritative level within the community that you're a part of.

It's not pause, man.

You're still on about that shit.

Let me mute you.

You're like, bro, none of the boys say that shit.

If I said that to the boys, I'd get clowned on.

That's not something we say, dude.

We don't say that, dude.

It's not like a popular take, dude.

I didn't ask you if it's popular, I asked you if it was true or not.

We're debating it on the merits of truth or falsehood, not on the merits of whether it's politically convenient to you in whatever telegram or whatever group chat you're in.

I don't really care.

I'm not saying that it's a.

It's like, this is what the boys are saying.

I don't care what they're fucking saying.

Those people are a bunch of fucking idiots.

That's why they don't get in my VC and debate me, because I would floor any one of them.

So let's be clear.

Go ahead.

No, it's okay.

First of all, what you're saying just doesn't make sense.

Like, just look at it.

Look at it freaking logically.

How was like, how is the British and the West going to war against Hitler?

How does that how is it how in your convoluted mind does it prove that Hitler is an agent?

It just doesn't like reality BTFOs you and that that itself by itself is not what proves that he's an agent.

What proves that he was an agent is he was being backed by royal Dutch shell as early as the 1920s.

What proves that he was an agent is that Germany was continuing to pay back its loans to the Bank of International Settlements well into the 1940s.

What proves that he was an agent actually is that German capitalists and industrialists are actually the ones that are behind his rise to power and they were fundamentally tied to Wall Street and Anglo-American interests, specifically Anglo-interests if we're being honest.

What proves that he was an agent is that the British royal family itself were open admirers of Adolf Hitler as long with the rest of the British aristocracy and the ruling class.

What proves that he was a British agent is that he fulfilled all of the aims the British wanted to fulfill but couldn't directly do for reasons of geopolitical and political convenience.

What proves that he's a British agent is all the gold that he looted was transferred into an international network, shadow network of British banks, offshore banks used to finance the Cold War to try and destroy communism.

What proves that he was an agent of the British is that his fundamental mission, and this was in Mein Kampf, was to destroy the first proletarian dictatorship in the history of mankind, where for the first time the exploited and the oppressed were in charge over the oppressors and the exploiters.

These are the things that prove it.

As for how that can be reconciled with the fact that Britain and America were at war with Germany on a formal level, we need to look at what they were actually doing during that war and whether what their actions reflected a genuine

Opposition to Hitler's plans, or whether it was just maintaining a veneer.

To reap the benefits of everything Hitler does in the aftermath, preferably that he destroys the USSR, then swoop in and fix things how they wish to it.

To be clear, I don't think in the long term the British wanted Hitler to be in power forever.

They saw him as a retarded clown, that they wanted to use him in the short term, that he's a patsy and they're going to discard him after he does the dirty work they want him to do.

To be clear, go ahead.

So your position is just because capitalists do capitalist things, therefore Hitler is an agent, doesn't it?

Yeah, that's it.

That's all it is, yeah.

Does the United States still buy fucking shit from Russia?

Does that mean the Russia is and vitamins?

But I'm not limiting.

The accusation is not founded upon the mere fact that there's economic relationships of trade going on.

That's literally your whole point.

Capitalists do capitalists.

Okay, well, look, I'm not going to insult my audience by repeating myself.

I advise you to, after the stream is done, remember this exact timestamp and go back about 35 seconds, and you will see very clearly that the things I mentioned are not about trade between different countries.

But go ahead.

So Hitler wanting to do certain things to maintain his country's economic standing within the existing powers somehow but how does it mean pragmatism.

Why didn't he wipe out all the debt if that was his goal?

If his goal was to look out for Germany's best economic interests.

I mean in his writings, did he not plan to do a lot of those things?

Did he do them or no?

But I mean, like, he had to contend with uh he he he he had a an idea that a war was coming, so he had to you know, he had other priorities, but that was how how how does it make sense to continue paying debt to your so-called enemies while you're fighting them?

Because y because because of e deals, because of how big he can't just decide dude, he can't just decide to just say, All right, fu fuck everything else, like, I'm just gonna do my own thing.

Like that's what the Bolsheviks did, but the Bolsheviks did that.

No, they didn't.

The Bolsheviks were still doing business with the West.

The Bol on day one of the revolution, the Bolsheviks literally canceled all foreign debt r like right away, overnight.

Hitler couldn't even

Look it up.

Hitler Hitler couldn't even um nationalize a single one of these venture capitalist cartels.

He couldn't even forgive a fraction of the debt, wipe out a fraction of it.

They could they continued paying all of it.

Isn't that crazy?

And the Bolsheviks just overnight just said, Yeah, we're not going to pay shit back to France or anyone.

You're fucked.

Fuck you.

And they took over everything, by the way.

All the oil that was controlled by the British, all the natural resources that all these international capitalists control, they just took it like right away.

Just say, fuck the West.

I'm just going to do my own thing.

But the Bolsheviks did it.

Why couldn't he do it?

Bro, because the Bolsheviks was not as advanced economically as the war.

But they beat him in war.

But they beat him in the war.

Yeah, because the whole world went against Hitler.

Like, everyone went against this one guy.

How is it that the reason so you're attributing the Bolshevik victory because Britain and America decided to barely get involved?

No, Hitler made some military blunders for sure.

No, no, let's be clear.

The Bolsheviks were the victors and he was the loser.

And that's the simple fact.

Oh, my God, dude.

Okay, let's move back to the current topic.

Discussing because you just lost that, dude.

Like, you really think it was an agent?

Like, that's just funny to me.

You got the whole squad in my Global group chat.

Bro, you got the whole squad in my group chat laughing at that.

Are you kidding?

Are you kidding?

That wasn't approved by the authority.

Hitler was an agent of the British?

That's just like not a thing we say, dude.

It's like totally not the vibe.

That's just like totally not something we say amongst ourselves.

Therefore, it's such a ridiculous thing to say because it's just totally not something we believe.

Never mind why we believe it or don't believe it.

It's just totally not something we say.

Therefore, I'm gonna laugh nervously.

But do you have an argument?

Go ahead.

Dude, I just gave you like 10 arguments of why it would be the pragmatic dec position for a state leader to work with the global fucking economic.

Why was it pra how could it have been pragmatic if he lost in the end?

That's the question.

I mean, that w like that wasn't Hitler wasn't betting on losing, right?

He was planning to win.

But he did lose, right?

It doesn't matter what he was betting on.

Like you you're you're retrospectively looking back and saying, Oh, he should have done this and but from Hitler's vantage point, he like he he did what he thought was best.

Sorry, you're claiming that i that Hitler did these things not because he was beholden to the interests of the German ruling class and the international ruling class, but because he believed it was pragmatic.

I just find that hard to fathom because how from any rational perspective can someone conclude those were pragmatic decisions?

How is it pragmatic to continue paying debt to your enemies that you're fighting a so-called war of annihilation with?

What dude?

The United States is against Russia, but doesn't Russia still do business with the United States?

Like, what are you talking about?

Well, there are economic realities.

Like you said, it wasn't even like a Russia and the U.S.

went to war, Russia would not be paying debts to anyone in the U.S.

ever.

Okay, but when Hitler was doing all those economic dealings, though they were not dealings, they were not dealing with the people.

It was the continuation.

It was the continuation of the policy will join the hell down.

It was a continuation of the policy of the financial rape of Germany after World War I that he was continuing.

Which he by the you know why I know it wasn't pragmatic?

Because he promised the contrary.

The Nazis promised they're gonna nationalize everything, they're gonna cancel all the debt.

That was their campaign platform.

So, was he just that was just pragmatic too?

Just to lie?

I mean, he dude, you dude, he definitely did some shit, bro.

Like, yeah, he did some shit, and it was all gay.

That's the shit he was doing.

He was definitely doing some stuff with Ernest Rahm and uh and whatever, but I don't know what w w that's besides the point.

I know they weren't.

Yes they were, Barrow.

Okay, well, look, you can believe whatever you want, but the truth is, um, you have no argument about 10.

I gave you 10 arguments.

You're just saying, nope, nope, he's still an agent.

Why didn't he do this?

Why didn't he do that?

Why didn't he act in a way?

Okay, that's like saying, why doesn't Trump do this, this, or that?

Dude, no, no, I do say that.

I do say that.

Why doesn't Trump do this?

I want him to.

There are economic realities that, like, no, there aren't.

That's fake and made up.

That's just fake and made up.

You can learn.

How is it fake and made up, bro?

Because the Bolsheviks literally just did it.

No, they did it, bro.

Yeah, they straight up did.

It's actually that easy to do it.

If you have this if you have the working class and the masses behind you, you could literally do anything you want.

Yeah, but the Bolsheviks started at a completely dude the both the Bolsheviks.

They started in a way worse position.

You're right.

They started at an agrarian society.

You're right.

They started in a way worse position.

They made it a lot harder for them to do what they did.

They were not as clamped down with the economic realities of the world.

What are you talking about?

If the Bolsheviks had a fraction of what Germany had, they would have done what they did without any of the trouble.

I mean, it's it's easy to say.

It was harder.

It was harder for them to do what they did.

I mean, you could just say that right now, right?

Like, yeah.

Yeah, because it's true.

No, it isn't.

And if the Bolsheviks were had if Stalin or the fucking they inherited the same economic conditions that Germany had, they would still have to play ball with the West.

Like, not only would they not play ball with the West, they would have popped that ball like a balloon and literally suffocated the ki queen and king of England to death with it and their children with that ball.

They would have probably conquered the entire fucking world and we would have been living in conflict.

So now Stalin is a Trotskyist, right?

They I'm not saying it directly, they would have invaded the world, but I mean, probably Europe.

Yeah, we if if if the Bolshevik Revolution happened in Germany, we would be living in communism right now.

Yes, yes, we would.

We would be living under a communist dictatorship right now.

And and just none of this would exist.

I wouldn't even exist as a streamer.

I would probably be.

Thoughts on China being the uh fascist Hitler wet dream?

Yeah, that's what Keith Wood said, and he's your authority.

So I understand why you believe that.

That's just that's just common sense.

It's definitely not common sense.

China is a freaking ethno-nationalist state.

that puts the interests of the collective over the economic interests of the collective over uh corporation.

Yeah, China's an eth it's not only it's not only uh a nation state.

But it's an ethno-nation.

Okay, but like they're majority POM Chinese.

But see, you're really underselling that ten percent because there's over a billion people.

So put that ten percent in perspective.

That's a hundred million people.

That's more than the population of major nation states today.

Hey, but there's still a majority homogeneous population.

That's not really true because the Han ethnicity is formed by a continual just argue against reality, bro.

And your audience eats it up.

I have to mute the wild animal, all right?

He's not very professional.

The reason that's a misleading characterization is because the Han ethnicity is not based on ethnic exclusivity.

It's actually based on the continual integration of ethnic minorities and the assimilation of different economic minorities at the periphery.

And this long-term process is what has produced the Han as a unique ethnicity.

It's not an ethnicity that was formed on the basis of excluding others, asserting an identity to the exclusion of all others.

All it means to be Han is to be sufficiently urbanized within the Chinese civilization, where everyone more or less speaks Han Chinese, but when that's all you speak and you're fully, fully let's call it socialized or urbanized, that's just you're just part of the Han now.

And at no point does everyone become Han because they can't maintain a position of continual recognition of others.

Who are different in a continuum, suspended in a continual state of interactivity and mutual recognition with them.

And it's precisely this process that creates proper integration and assimilation because eventually, you know, people by their own will and according to their own conditions assimilate, not forced to, it's just a process of Chinese civilization.

The Han.

are not a tribe.

The the Han is not some parochial ethnic identity.

Han identity is the is an ethnicity, it's an ethnogenesis formed on the basis of mutual interaction between different peoples united by one empire and civilization.

The same thing is true for the Rus the Rus, the Russians.

So what you're talking about is nonsense, actually.

China's not, first of all, before we talk about whether China is fascist, the notion that it's an ethno-state is just ridiculous.

Because Han as an ethnicity, first of all, even if we neglect the over 100 million non-Han people, Han as an ethnicity is not the same as the Aryan or racial identity that the Germans or the Italians or whatever were trying to construct for themselves.

Go ahead.

That that whole Aryan thing, uh, wasn't that like Western propaganda?

No, the Nazi swastika was based on the notion that this is an ancient Aryan symbol.

Did Hitler actually consider them to be superior than um like I haven't read like Meincroft or anything so Hitler believed that because the West industrialized before the rest of the world, that but w within the Nazis army there were like different ethnicities, no?

Right, but they were never like integrated into German society and given equal rights and given the right to become Germans.

So they were just used as attack dogs.

So wait, Haas, how why are you against fascism in terms of concrete like in terms of ec economic solutions?

Like it offers economic solutions that benefit the working class.

No?

No, it doesn't.

How not?

Because all fascism does is maintain existing monopoly capital and enforces the let's say Hitler 'cause first of all I I don't really believe you saying Hitler never tried to uh you know nationalize various different uh industries, but let let's say Hitler did plan to do that, would you then have a problem with him still?

So let's say Hitler was SpongeBob SquarePants, a completely different person.

I knew you'd say some shit like that.

Because you're saying you're talking about a different person.

That way he wouldn't be Hitler then.

He may as well be SpongeBob SquarePants then.

Oh my god, dude.

So you're not gonna take his writings, like his personal writings as indicative of his position or world view?

No, I I focus on what he did, not what he said.

Okay, so I guess uh I guess fuck Marx and fuck all this 'cause what did Marx do?

Sit down fat as fuck and die?

Like, what the hell?

Ah yeah, because Marx a great thinker and most would call him a philosopher.

He would reject that label that Marx didn't pretend to be a fucking political leader, you idiot.

Hitler, that's all Hitler had going for him, was claiming to be a leader.

So what a stupid ass argument you're making.

Yeah, so yeah, so you should use Hitler's writings because...

But Hitler wasn't a theorist or an intellectual.

That's not what he's known for.

He's known for what he actually did.

His writings actually were just him saying, yeah, I should take charge and be whatever.

Okay, so what did you do when you took charge?

Um, he went against the whole world and no, he didn't.

The greatest economic comeback in the 20th century?

That's what Hitler did.

First of all, that economic comeback you're talking about was all based on debt, it was all based on foreign credit, and it was all based on the artificial propping up of the military-industrial complex, meaning the only way it could be paid off is by paying the debt that it was borrowed on and the interest through looting Eastern Europe to pay for all of it.

So, no, it wasn't a great economic comeback.

It was a short-term bubble that they were banking on, could be they could avoid the bubble popping by looting all the resources of Eastern Europe and taking it over.

So you're wrong about that.

The so called economic mirror I mean, every single accomplishment attributed to Hitler was from the Weimar era.

The Autobahn was already being planned by the Weimar government before Hitler took power, for example.

So what did he really accomplish actually?

What?

The Weimar era?

Yes, the Weim the Weimar government.

The the hit Hitler's.

Okay, okay.

Hitler Hitler's government is just the Weimar government plus terrorism and uh military adventurism.

And obviously, genocide and stuff, whatever.

But that's literally it.

In terms of economic policy, there was just huge continuity.

And Hitler took power to maintain that continuity, actually.

No, he didn't.

Hitler industrialized just like Napoleon.

No, he did not industrialize when you're facing when you're facing a hostile Western fucking enemies.

You have to prioritize it.

But they weren't hostile.

They didn't do a damn thing.

They didn't lift a finger against him until he invaded Poland.

And that was just officially they lifted a finger.

They didn't send troops to Poland.

Vision is history, bro.

Like, dude, I don't agree with your retelling of things.

I know you don't.

You don't agree with me because I don't have enough clout to make.

That's not it, bro.

I don't care about fucking clout, man.

If I had 6,000 viewers right now, you would agree with me.

I literally because I don't have enough authority.

Okay, I think you have way better positions than Destiny and Hassan.

Like, what the hell?

Right.

And they have more clout than you.

I don't give a shit about clout, bro.

Right, but the community that you're loyal to, whichever one it is, you're loyal to it because it has the clout.

I think a lot of your critiques, especially about Hitler, is just disingenuous.

It's just like.

It's like you're on a sports team.

You're like, oh, Stalin, good.

Hitler, bad.

You're part of a political community where the saying that I'm better than Hassan and Destiny is credible.

But it's not an independent opinion you're forming.

That's the difference.

That's independent.

Do my own analysis.

No, you don't.

Because I've seen the conclusions you've come to that are similar to some of my conclusions.

I've decided that you're not.

Why are you a white nationalist if you're Mexican?

I'm not a white nationalist.

I don't even ascribe to any of these political.

You see how I knew you were Mexican?

I'm not Mexican though.

Well, you're Latino, right?

No.

Yeah, you are.

Oh, I'm not What are you, Hawaiian?

Okay, don't worry about it.

No, it's no, you're guys that why's that relevant to the conversation?

Why is that relevant to the conversation, though?

Because why are you into this dumbass shit if you're literally a Latino?

Dude, I'm into the truth.

I care about the truth.

And, like, I want a nuanced perspective on things.

Your perspective is just a lot of people.

We know it's listen.

We've exhausted the conversation enough to know it's not about truth.

It's not about facts.

It literally is about facts.

So there's some other reason that's drawing you to this nonsense.

And I don't get what it is.

Haz, why are you like so?

I don't know, bro.

So paranoid, bro.

I'm not paranoid.

I'm just saying, like.

Yes, you are, man.

I'm just having a conversation with you.

You're like, oh, there's an ulterior motive.

Like, there's something.

I'm not saying that's not paranoia.

I think there's a diagnosis going on because you're Mexican and you're literally following white nationalists.

Why?

I'm not, bro.

I'm literally looking at the reality of things.

CC, that's a pathology on you.

Like, you're, you're, you hate Hitler based just because you're fucking Middle Eastern.

Like, because I don't need to be Middle Eastern because my enemies claim that I'm half German.

So I can't.

Haz, that's literally you.

You have a class worldview.

So in your eyes, you're like, oh, I don't want these Nazis to look down on me.

They're not better than me.

Hold on, I can pass.

I can pass.

Hold on.

You're predicting that on me.

But I can pass as white because my enemies claim I'm half German and my name is Adam.

So why would I need?

I don't need to be Arab.

I can pass.

I can pretend to be half German.

That's literally what people say about me.

But Haas, will you admit that a lot of your movement is based off of people who just hate other white people because they view them as thinking they're better than them?

It comes from my movement is white.

I don't know how it can come to that.

It's just that we don't exclude others, so we get everyone else too.

But like, it's mainly white people.

It's like probably like 50% white or 60% white.

I don't know.

But, you know, we just don't exclude others, so everyone joins in.

But like, you don't understand that there's a bunch of white people here, dude.

You're like, I don't, dude.

I just, a lot of your critiques feel like they come from a place of like, like, you see.

Right.

But, but, like, 60% of my community is white, and you're Mexican.

So, what are you talking about?

Yeah, but this whole idea that you're trying to say, oh, I have an ulterior motive and I somehow revere these authorities.

I just I don't understand why if you're brown or whatever, why are you like so into this dumb shit if it's clearly not because of facts?

Okay, so no dude, the facts are not with you, buddy.

Yeah, they are.

They definitely are.

They are, bro.

They definitely are.

They definitely are.

They are, bro.

The whole squad.

Bro, you don't understand.

The gang don't agree with this stuff, man.

You can't say that shit around them.

They're going to say, no, you're wrong because we want to believe.

I mean, why do you want to believe the things you believe in?

It's clearly you desire to believe in them.

No, it's a fact.

It's just a fact.

Okay, what's the fact?

Can you tell us the fact so we can judge it?

Bro, you're the one sitting here saying Hitler was an agent of the British.

Like, ask any credible historian.

Like, what you laugh at, bro.

Okay, bring the credible historian here to laugh at me.

And let me ask him then.

Like, bro, dude, is that you actually believe that?

Yeah, I'm actually a Stalinist.

You know that?

Like, I'm actually a communist.

Like, the real thing.

Yeah.

Like it's a real thing.

Dude, bro, the whole thing is alarming.

Bro, the group chat, they're not having none of this.

The group chat ain't having none of this.

What?

That's not what the guy with a million followers said.

What are you talking about?

That's not what this.

That's not what my authority leader said.

What are you talking about?

That's not credible.

Dude, you don't even get money from billionaires.

What the hell?

You have a position that's not based on billionaires throwing money at you?

What in the world?

Taz, I know you feel the need for me.

What the hell?

You don't get support from all these institutions.

I know you feel the need to live your life under some guidance by some father figure like Stalin.

But it's okay, bro.

You can just like, you can just be a real motherfucker and just analyze the situation without just these petty fucking grievances, bro.

Like, let's just look at what you're doing.

What grievances do you imagine I have?

I just feel like you just have this you have this hierarchical class mindset where it's like if you get it my my personal my personal class position is totally fine if I if I I don't have any personal I don't have any personal class grievances at all I'm I'm I I I can go back to law school anytime I want and just be a lawyer dude I'm fine

I I understand your psychology, bro, like it's just I don't know, man.

But you're not you're not exhibiting any understanding.

I I I literally do.

Like, I I probably understand you better than you understand yourself, I'm gonna be honest.

So, um, there's that that's that's fine, but how is that relevant when you can't show anything for it?

No, because it's just like a lot of your like a lot of your positions, it's just like it doesn't it doesn't come from somewhere that's like authentic, bro.

I don't know, like, like, how could you sit here and say Hitler was an agent of the British?

I think that's interesting.

You don't think my positions are authentic?

No, I think I think you believe them, but I think like what informs or it like makes you get to those beliefs or or choose this worldview is just like just based in like fucking some weird hierarchical belief.

Like belief, right?

I actually believe it, dude.

But you, you, you think that I have some ulterior motive?

Like, you've just been projecting on me this whole time.

Like, I'm gonna mute you because I don't wanna deal with this, but um.

No, it's just that I've been talking to you for hours and I feel like we're kinda looping when it comes to understanding why your position is incorrect.

Using reason.

That's why we're looping, is because I've explained it to you many times.

So after now that we've done that, you know, now that we've actually exhausted like actual my ability to communicate with you in terms of making rational arguments, now I'm perplexed and wonder, like, okay, it's clear that you're part of some political community where there's an authority figure you respect more than me because that figure has more credibility based on

Being legitimized by other forces, having a heads.

It can be a many things.

But it's just the fact.

Now, what I'm interested in is why?

Why that community did you stop?

I mean, it clearly, I don't, I'm not asking why you're not part of infrared.

Infrared is not for sheep, it's for shepherds.

The people that come to infrared are people who are not easily swayed.

They're people who have to think for themselves, who have to engage in critical thinking, who have to form opinions based on what they think.

And they're people who are loyal to me because they choose to be.

They make a real sovereign decision to be loyal to Haas based on conclusions they draw independently themselves for reasons that are accountable to themselves.

And I don't think you fit the personality of someone who's a leader.

I think you're more of a follower.

So I understand why you're not part of this community.

But of all the other communities you could have chosen, of all the other shepherds you could have allowed to sheep you, why is it that you're in the far right one if you're Mexican?

That's all I wanted to ask you.

And it wasn't a loaded question.

It wasn't like I wasn't, it wasn't a gotcha.

I'm genuinely curious.

Go ahead.

Paz, you're the sheep, though.

You're the one who needs Marx to hold your hand through but Marx is dead.

But Marx is dead.

So if I'm if I'm disloyal to him, even if that was true, even if you're a sheep, Paz, you're a sheep.

Isn't that why you can't even finish your book?

Because you can't, you don't have anything to contribute to fucking Marxism-Leninism, bro.

You're the sheep, bro.

But I already have a hundred thousand words.

I have to mute you.

I already have over a hundred thousand words to contribute.

I have already contributed to it.

I just haven't finished it.

So, but um.

You're saying I'm a sheep because I'm a devoted Marxist, but Marx is dead.

And even if he was an idol, it takes independent willpower on my part to continue being devoted to Marx because he's not actually alive to act as a shepherd figure for me.

So, what you're saying is a little ridiculous.

Go ahead, I'll unmute you.

Bro, your whole position is based off of fucking Marx, Marxism, Leninism.

Yeah.

You can't call me a sheep.

Dude, my whole position is independent.

I'm not affiliated with any group.

I just seek the truth.

Yeah, but you understand there's no established Marxist-Leninist authorities in America to tell me what to do.

So if I'm a Marxist-Leninist, I'm definitely not a sheep because I'm assuming a position which can only be maintained based on my own conviction, belief, and willpower.

So it's just a silly argument you're making.

I don't want to repeat myself again.

Anything else?

So well, according to you, if I'm far right, like what from the establishment makes me believe this shit?

It doesn't need to be from the establishment.

It just needs to be an established community online.

Okay, so communism is not an established community online.

No.

Hodge, you didn't start your position from like being in leftist circles.

N when I first hit live no.

Not when I first hit wine.

Pr prior to that I had no career and no presence.

So didn't any any any involvement I had with leftists before and it was very minuscule by the way but any involvement I had with leftism was irrelevant 'cause it didn't help me at all.

It didn't contribute to anything.

I don't know how you can say I'm a sheep and you're not, bro.

You're a sheep, and I'm not because you can't defend your position based on your arguments.

I've literally defended it with arguments.

You're just saying, you're just like saying no and giving the most ridiculous fucking idea.

No, the reason I think you're a sheep is because when confronted with arguments, you just go back to laughing about how you find it preposterous that Hitler can claim Hitler is a British agent without actually addressing why you think that's ridiculous.

Which leads me to believe that the reason you believe it's ridiculous for me to say that Hitler is a British agent is because other people find it ridiculous.

And that's why you find it flattering.

I would laugh because it'd be like you telling me the sky can be like you telling me the sky was we can we can um roll back the footage of the stream and see you clearly say while you were laughing hysterically that any credible historian would have dismissed me which further reinforces my view that the reason you believe the things you do is because other people do not you you literally referenced such other people credible historians i rest my case go ahead

Yeah, to highlight the fact that this is like like this is laugh that it would be like me saying bro.

Took the words out of my mouth that it's laughable.

It's laughable because you have appraised that other people would laugh at it.

Never mind what's true based on what you can decide for yourself.

It's laughable.

Credible authorities would laugh at it.

I'm not disagreeing, I just think that makes you a sheep.

and me a shepherd.

My community is of shepherds.

We are trying to reach sheep like you.

In order to reach sheep like you, we have to get organized, and we have to do it in an organized way.

We shepherds have to be organized to reach sheep like you.

And hopefully, once we're successful at our organizing, once we've gotten our shit together, we can pull sheep like you to the status of shepherds and get people like even like you to think for themselves.

I don't think there's anything I can say in this V C to turn you into a shepherd, though.

In order to turn you into a shepherd, we have to build authority in real life.

Once we do that, once we've gotten the credibility and the authority, we also have the authority and the credibility to allow for people to think for themselves like you.

This is precisely why Slavoj Žižek and Jacques Lacan talk about the fundamental role of the master in analysis.

You can't just say, I'm going to get rid of the master, the discourse of the master.

I'm just going to escape it and become a free person.

No.

Same thing with a master-slave dialectic.

You need to

You will always have a master.

So we will be your master, but we will be the master that teaches you how to free yourself.

And we can't do that until we build the necessary authority and power.

The masters you follow want you to s remain a sheep.

I can't get through to you, you're a sheep.

You're following these guys.

I can't get through to you in a V C.

The only way I'm ever going to be able to get through to you

Is when I build objectively a form of power and authority that you can respect as a sheep.

So, you have to understand this is why I'm talking to you in the way I do.

I've given up on the ability to persuade you of anything.

I understand what kind of person you are.

No big deal.

There could be, I could have been a sheep at one point in my life.

There's people here who could have been sheep at one point in your life, but you are sheep and we're shepherds.

It's as simple as that.

Anything else?

Bro, you keep projecting this shit on me.

But you know what's really funny?

You know what I've just realized?

You're trying to convince yourself that you're not a sheep, which is the funniest part.

Like, your whole audience is fucking sheep.

You're trying to convince yourself that you're not a shepherd.

All right.

That you are.

Who are my sheep?

Who are my shepherds?

Go ahead.

You're trying to convince yourself that you are a shepherd.

You're not Haas.

Okay, who are my shepherds?

If I'm a sheep, who are my shepherds?

Your your shepherdism marks these idols.

A guy who's dead?

Yeah, the i the idols are dead.

Are shepherds not thought leaders who give you your who actively exercise who actively exercise and maintain authority based on the merits of their position in the real world?

Yes.

Marx is dead.

He has no such position.

So now it's just limited to the real world.

You see how you just make the definition so fucking retarded that you can just exclude yourself from the market.

Okay, who...

See, here's the thing.

You may get away with saying, because Marx is credible among certain institutions, because he's made a name for himself, that's why I'm a sheep and I listen to Marx.

But if my interpretation of Marx differs from all of them, who is maintaining that authority?

Who's maintaining the authority?

I am.

I have an interpretation of Marx.

That allows me to recognize the authority that has he has independently.

I'm not just saying, oh, everyone in the university recognizes the authority of Marx.

I'm going to the source.

I'm understanding why he deserves the authority he has based on his relationship.

To the history of thinking and the history of the world in general.

Go ahead.

Haz, your position on Marx is not unique.

Russia a lot of Russians share a lot of the Chinese share.

But but I don't live in Russia or China, I live in America.

Like, so your contention is people cannot have influence, uh, people listen, you're a sheep in a way that I'm not.

You say it enough times, it might be true.

No, no, because a sheep is not about someone who's I'm plenty of people influence me, but none of them are able to control the range of what I consider an acceptable or permissible thought.

That's on the merits of what I recognize.

Not others.

Bro, Oz, I come to my own conclusion based off of

Based on what other people think and say.

I agree.

Based off of my own analysis, your whole position is based off of what some of you are.

Just like Hitler, that's what you claim.

It's not what you do.

Oh my god, dude.

Anything else?

We're going in chuckles.

Anything else?

Okay.

The whole fact that you're bringing up this sheep and shepherd distinction just reveals your psychology, bro.

Like, like, you viewed the world in, like, this hierarchical, fucking weird shit.

And it's, like, that doesn't apply to me.

What's wrong with hierarchy?

Who said there's something wrong with hierarchy?

Yeah, but the problem is, like, there are people who are trying to be shepherds, and there are people who are just born fucking.

Yeah, you may be trying, but we can't help you right now because you're too far gone.

Haz, I'm born as a sovereign being.

You're trying to be shepherds.

No, no one is born sovereign.

No one is born sovereign.

There is something called the will, and there are humans who are imbued with willpower, and you're just not one of them.

The will refers to a range of pre-established possibilities set before you by precedent.

The will is.

And if you do something that you didn't consider possible before you did it, it's called an accident.

No, don't try to outclass me, sir.

I have you checkmated in this game of chess.

Don't you go, bro?

To be honest with you, listen, listen, to be honest with you, dude.

I'm literally toying with you.

Like, like, I'm a tiger and you're just a mouse.

And I'm literally just playing with you.

Running circles around you, you're being so devastated.

And I'm just like a dick, and I like it's almost makes me like a retard 'cause, like, what what?

I'm just like jacking myself off by like slapping you around.

But I'm doing it 'cause I'm a narcissist.

'Cause I'm wearing a really cool suit and I look really cool and I sound really cool when I say these things.

And I'm almost using you as practice for when I actually have real debate opponents.

You know, where it really does matter, where it matters for my career.

But this is just narcissism on my part.

Like, I just kind of like doing this.

You know, I'm kind of LARPing.

That's what it is.

I'm LARPing.

Right now, I'm LARPing.

That's all you are to me.

You're just like l you're you're you're just a you're just a an actor in my LARP.

You know, you're playing airsoft with me right now, and I'm destroying you.

Um

And I'm hungry now.

So you gotta have you say something new now, or else we're gonna terminate this quick.

Go ahead.

Haas.

I own you, bro.

I can literally shatter your whole fucking worldview, bro, if I wanted to.

Maybe you can, but you have proven your inability to in this.

I have.

You're just, you just disagree because you have to.

So you haven't.

So you haven't.

So I'm just running circles, Ronnie, dude.

You know what's going to happen?

Yeah.

You're going to remember this conversation.

Yeah.

Where I said things that they're really pressed into your fucking being, bro.

You're going to remember because I know I stumped, bro.

And I can keep going.

Like, I know what ticks.

I know now you're cope laughing.

I know what ticks you off, buddy.

I know what ticks you off, buddy.

I know your pain points, buddy.

So don't try with me.

Don't try with me before I reveal it to all your fucking audience.

Don't let go.

Don't let go.

It's over, bro.

It's so over for you.

I broke the con.

I broke the con.

It's so over for this, bro.

Dude, I wanted to come here to be civil with you.

It's so over for you, bro.

I broke the con.

It's over.

It's over for Haas.

You've never met an opponent like me, haven't you?

It's so over for you, bro.

It's so over.

It's so over.

It's so fucking over.

Can you guys imagine if this shit ended my career?

I would kill myself.

Oh, my God.

It's not going to end your career, but you're going to remember this.

This is the final nail in the coffin.

This guy.

Oh, my God.

All right, dude.

What was I going to say?

Um

Just just you it's okay it's okay.

I know I stung you definitely were speaking a lot, but not much else bro usually has when people come up in here you just bitch them around but like I went back and forth but this time is different right it's over with you oh it's it's over because back because you know I stung deep and I was making points you have to respect it it is what it is how how deep though because it's kind of subject like you know maybe like um Haas I literally like it's like it's like Zeno's paradox like you can you can you can be infinitely I put Lacan to shame I understand the human psyche better than Lacan bro I put that fucker to shame

And you know I'm right.

Um, you claimed that I was a sheep because I'm a Marxist, even though Marx is dead.

Yo, infrared, I just bitched the con.

I said I would, I did it.

It is what it is.

I don't even hate you, Haas, but like you know what you sound like right now.

Look.

You sound like a crackhead talking on the street to himself.

That's what you sound like.

It's so funny because, like, the type of person I am, whatever you say to me, it just like falls off my skin like water, bro.

No, like, I'm actually being real.

Like, you actually sound like a crackhead babbling to themselves on the sidewalk.

Ah, yeah, just keep, just keep coping, buddy.

Just keep coping.

Are you a Latin king?

Are you part of the Latin kings?

No disrespect, but are you?

Like, to the organization, I mean.

Oz, I bitched you, bro.

You got bitched.

Bro, somebody said you're part of the Latin Kings.

I just want to know.

Dude, Hazy a bitch.

I'm gonna go fact check all your fucking Hitler bullshit and I'm gonna lie why are you so attach as a as a Mexican, why are you so attached to Hitler?

I don't understand.

Not even about Hitler, dude.

Okay, so would you say the same shit to uh Candace Owens?

Is Candace Owens like s some weirdo for like going on Hitler tirades now?

She's getting kinda close with the lies she's saying about Russian troops in Eastern Europe or whatever, but I would confront her with the same thing if she said it to me, yeah.

Okay.

Do you realize like most people are anti-Zionist, right?

And most people would like teeter on like anti-Jewish.

What does that have to do with the truth?

Yeah, but like you're you're acting like it's unfounded for like uh for anyone who's not white to harbor these views.

I just find it bizarre and I struggle to understand it.

How is it bizarre?

Israel is committing a genocide and people usually blame or it's just like people who are not.

So so Israel is committing a genocide.

Therefore the guy who committed genocide against thirty million Russians is good.

I mean i is that no no I'm I'm not saying I'm not ascribing if he's good or not, but like that's why there is a resurgence of Hitler on you know, you see it on social media.

People are looking back.

Maybe, maybe, but that doesn't mean it's correct.

Okay, but like it's still a reality.

Like it's all unfounded.

Yeah, there's it's a lack of education and ignorance.

Okay, so if people investigate and they're coming to these conclusions that, hey, maybe Hitler did have a point.

That's the issue, it involves no investigation.

The reason why there's a proliferation of popularity of Hitler among anti-Zionists on social media is because liberal media actually did a great deal to lionize indirectly Hitler, even if they're casting him as a villain.

They made him this kind of profound, strong personality, this kind of epitome of evil within the liberal worldview.

And people are looking at the hypocrisy of liberalism in practice, especially its alignment with Zionism, and they're just kind of assuming what the polar opposite of that they think is.

And that's why.

And it's also obviously related to the crimes of the Zionist entity, where, you know, in great part, Norman Finkelstein pointed this out, the atrocities of Hitler against the Jews have been weaponized by Zionists in order to defend the actions and the existence of Israel.

And people have also had enough of that.

So they're over-correcting by doing something that's actually false and wrong by trying to defend Hitler and redeem him.

Because if this is the villain upon which Zionist ideology justifies itself against, including liberalism and liberal ideology, then they are falsely drawing the conclusion that he must actually have been a good guy after all.

But this is actually a completely misguided viewpoint.

Why is it misguided?

Because Hitler was actually a tool of the very same liberal hegemony that was responsible for the creation of the Zionist entity itself.

Oh my God.

Oh my god.

If you don't respond with something that's like an argument, then you're getting.

Why these people like Atlas?

Can you get I'm hungry now, so anything else?

Yo, we can have another debate, another day.

All right, bye.

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