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What's up?
What's good, everybody.
What's good, everybody?
We got a lot to talk about.
And, uh, wow, I just want to say, me and Jackson, we are floored.
That we sold out premium tickets like I think half our tickets are straight up gone actually I think we sold half from around half near near half not exactly
half yet but very close to half of all the tickets available
i want to talk about the tickets first thing first yo australistanny what's up i'm not gonna waste
your time you know i'm gonna this stream is
going to mainly be about the event
you know we're also also cover news and we're
going to debate some idiot I think
I think there's some guy that wants to debate
but um
wow wow
this is
pretty crazy stuff um so talking about the tickets first thing first yo hot take
what's going on man what's going on man uh first i'm going to talk about the tickets then i'm going to talk about the tickets. Then I'm going to talk about the event. And I'm going to, I might have to repeat myself a few times. But, uh, so if you were coming and if you were like planning on coming and you know you're fine with the accommodations and getting over here, it's not too much trouble for you and you were planning on it, do not be discouraged by the premium tickets being
sold out. I know that the golden button looks a lot better than the silver one. I know the premium.
There's an after party and all this kind of stuff. Let me just wink at you right now
and tell you that if you get silver,
you're not going to regret it.
I'm not saying if it's too much trouble for you to get over here
to Michigan, then, you know,
and you weren't planning on coming, then don't feel bad if you can't make this one.
Really, if you can't make this one, don't feel bad. But if you were planning on coming to this one and you cannot get the premium ticket, yo, J.C., what's going on?
Trust me when I say, it will be worth it if you come with the general admission.
And let me just, let's just say, Haas takes care of the guerrillas
and I will be fair
okay if you made it all the way out here
you're a gorilla and you couldn't get a premium ticket
you made it all the way out here
Haas is not going to be an asshole.
You understand?
So make of that
what you will. Premium will get
guaranteed better
seating. Okay?
Way better seating.
But don't be discouraged if you couldn't get the premium all right that's all i'm going to say i'm not going to say anything more than that don't be discouraged obviously we can't let everyone
into the after event like everyone who's showing up
but since guerrillas
I don't imagine
I think guerrillas got most of the
premium tickets anyway
um
so the ones that couldn't get it I imagine there's not that many of you right so all i'm gonna say is y'all
don't worry about it you understand don't don't like don't like feel like you you missed it oh
i'm gonna have to go and then I'm gonna get kicked
out it's like I can't
say too much but
just just trust that Haas is not
gonna
you know
it's not gonna
you know
be a dick so um that's don't be discouraged you know and i'm saying this also because
those tickets are going to sell out i don't know when they're going to sell out exactly but
they're on track to.
We still have one month and like half of everything is gone, okay?
Half of the tickets is gone.
There's records who said they bought tickets.
How are you planning on dealing with that?
Yeah, I'm not going to reveal too much on how we're going to deal with that, primarily because I don't want to give our enemies a heads up, but just know that we're aware of the situation.
We have the identities of every single
person who you're talking about the few people we're tracking everyone we're tracking everything
so don't worry about it and okay the second thing is that they didn't buy tickets because
we checked we check our lists and we vet the
tickets as well okay so don't don't worry would the safety of everyone who's coming
is going to be of an utmost priority obviously they're they're not after you. They're after me and Jackson. So you don't even have anything to worry about. Crazy people coming. Like, they're not going to come after you. They're going to come after me and Jackson. All right. So don't worry about it. We got it locked down.
I'm a way isn't come, but I'm in NY.
Yeah, don't worry about it.
If you can't get a plane ticket over here, if you can't make it over, like, don't worry about it.
But I'm just saying for those of you that we're planning on coming, now, to be fair, I did warn y'all.
I told you.
I said, guys, I'm going to give you like a 10, 15 minute heads up.
These are going to sell out fast and grab them.
And then I see a lot of people like, oh, I missed the window. And it's like, well,
I gave you like, that's why you should
start listening more, you know?
You just, but don't worry about it, all right?
Because you're not going to
get the benefit of we'll work something out like for example
i'm not promising food okay food is not part of the package but at the after party let's say
hos needs to order some pizzas all right you know if you a gorilla, you don't have a premium ticket, I might ask you for like
five bucks to help get...
You know what I mean?
Just like shit like that, you understand?
So that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying there's not going to be food.
I'm saying I'm not guaranteeing it to you.
Meaning I'm under no obligation to feed anybody, you understand?
But Haas may get hungry and may feel like a dick eating in front of everybody who's hungry.
So we may get pizzas.
You know, we may have something lined up.
But, you know what I mean?
Uh, we may ask you to contribute to the pizza, something like that.
But don't worry about it, all right?
And, and also, I already told you guys, if you're financially struggling, I can't promise you anything, but I can, like, try, you know?
Just based on your situation and based on how many people are.
Thank you so much, hot take. Thank you so much, Hot take. Can't be there in person, but will be in spirit.
Thank you so much, Hot take.
I appreciate you.
Chat, you were fucking pathetic tonight.
Do better.
Yeah, you guys got to do better with that shit, for real.
But listen, Haas takes care of the guerrillas.
You understand?
Haas looks at, it's not takes care, because I'm not your mom.
I'm not caretaking you.
I'm not rocking y'all in my arms and y'all are my infants.
Haas looks out for the guerrillas.
That's what I mean to say.
Haas looks out for the guerrillas. The Khan looks out for the guerrillas that's what i mean to say haz looks out for the guerrillas the con
looks out for the guerrillas you understand so if money is if you can get here but you the ticket
you can't really afford it or whatever like just let me know and don't be ashamed you know uh and we'll see what we can do now
now this is the final thing i'm going to say about the tickets before i start talking about the
event okay i wish we could deal with the limit but you need to understand for the place we're getting, we are
absolutely pushing it when it comes to the amount of tickets we have available. Meaning the fire
code that's created by the city that's enforced legally that the venue is forcing us to do
we are literally exhausting not only are we exhausting the limit but we're pushing it as far as how
many people we're allowed to have in the room So when we do sell out, I'm telling you guys this now,
when we do sell out, I literally cannot help you in terms of bringing you in. Like I straight up can do
nothing to help you. And that's not me.
That's the fire codes.
And that's the venue.
Like, I can't.
You know, so, like, if you want to come,
either grab the general admission now, before it sells out, and if you can't afford general admission just let me know
and you know like i'll see what i can do basically but either way you know like like get them soon because once everything sells out i can do nothing to increase the
tickets like the reason we have the limited premium tickets in the first place there's a reason for that
all right it's because there's not a lot of tickets we didn't expect it
to be this big to be honest we were like testing how we could do live shows and we didn't expect it to be like
this crazy to be honest um and that's the next topic
I'm going to get to is the nature of the show itself
and I'm not going to
honestly not going to talk about the content of the show
but just like what is this show
what is it about
what can you expect and what you should be expecting going in all right so if you
don't know the event is called free america to free palestine it's going to be held May 24th in Dearborn, Michigan.
So like it's a month. Okay. And you think a month is a lot. It's not a lot. All right.
So I'm saying, if you plan on coming, grab a ticket now if you haven't already and i mean that because if once they sell
out i can't get you in there's nothing i can do to get you in um because the the building code
the fire code that they're like i can't do i already pushed with them, getting us as many people that we can.
Okay, so what can you expect from the event? No, I want to, so, so there's no confusion. Because I'm not seeing too much confusion about this issue, but I just want to be clear about this.
And you know what I don't want to do is have to repeat myself.
That's what I don't want to do, okay?
I don't want to have to repeat myself.
What you can expect going into this event is a live show.
It's a live show.
It's not going to be a super serious activist event.
It's not fundraising.
It's not activism.
It's not taking action.
It's not even about necessarily just raising awareness.
It's a live show. And Free America to Free Palestine is the topic of the live show.
It's a live show just like how Jimmy Dore does live shows.
Jackson is big friends with Jimmy,
I've met Jimmy a few times,
and we're really inspired by how he does his shows doing this,
in terms of combining a lighthearted atmosphere there's some comedy there
with serious political topics and current events so again this is not a fundraiser this is not an activist event this is not a fundraiser. This is not an activist event. This is not some kind of, this is not, we're not forming a party at this event. This is not taking action in any kind of way. It is a live show. Just so there's no confusion. It's a live show. We said it's a live show just so there's no confusion it's a live show we said it's a live show we told
you it's a live show that's what it is so don't expect it to be more than that because it's not
more than that it is at the end of the day it's a live show and i'm telling you it's a live
show not because it's all going to be unsurious but because you know don't i don't want someone
to stand up in the crowd and be like all all right, so what we here in the room?
What are we going to do now?
And it's like, we're not going to do anything in this room together, okay?
Because this is a live show.
This is not me launching an organization. Part of the show is announcing the Institute for a Free America.
That's part of what this is. But we are not launching an organization. We're not launching any
kind of initiative for activism.
Anything of that nature.
It's a live show, and it's nothing more than that, okay?
And I don't want to repeat myself ever again about this, all right?
It's a live show. Understand right? It's a live
show. Understand that.
It's a live show. Okay.
We're putting on a show
and a presentation.
Now, I'm not going to promise
you, we're still finalizing
in terms of people we're bringing.
Midwestern Marks is coming.
We already have that.
There's others.
I'm not going to tell you who.
I'll tell you when it's locked down.
And we're going to announce more speakers as we
get it locked down
so
what you can expect
is just like a
Jimmy Door show we're going to be talking about current
events okay and it's also going to, we're going to be talking about current events.
Okay?
And it's also going to be, there's going to be elements of lightheartedness in it and so on.
But the thing that stands out that makes it different, because it's not just going to be a copy of that. The thing that is going to make it different is that there's also going to be a presentation, and I'm going to make sure not to make it boring, which is going to be informative, which is going to talk about why it is America supports the Zionist entity.
It's going to talk about why America is occupied as a country, and what that means for the Palestinian liberation movement here, the political implications.
And we're going to tie all of these things together, right?
I don't want to reveal too much because that would render the show itself redundant.
But it's going to be a presentation which will be informative which will be educational
which is going to talk about history it is going to describe and talk about how the world works
how the American world system works and another thing is that the Institute for a Free America, I'm going to talk about that pretty soon.
But we're also going to be making a legal, serious professional argument, not a rhetorical one, not an ideological one, but a legal rhetorical argument, sorry, not rhetorical, a legal professional argument to correctly diagnose our political situation here that America, the United States of America, is an occupied
country, meaning this is not a sovereign country in terms of popular sovereignty. Just like Stalin's
last speech alluded to how all of that was eroding, we're pointing out how there's no trace of it left,
popular sovereignty is completely eliminated, and even on a formal bourgeois legalistic level,
this is an occupied country.
And that is the premise. That's a very important premise. And it sound, what I'm
saying sounds redundant. It sounds like it's like, oh, I've heard this a million times, but you
haven't heard it made in a kind of sober, impersonal, cold,
you know,
theoretical way,
which is not overly ideological or rhetorical.
This is going to be like a solid explanation of why.
And it's,
spoiler,
it's not Zog.
It's not that, uh, the Jews control america it's not what we're saying
we're saying something a lot more profound than that right we're talking about how
we're talking about how is a fundamental part of the system of world imperialism, and how that system has completely overridden the classical bourgeois liberties before the era of imperialism and the form of the u.s government itself in terms of popular
sovereignty and sovereignty in general so even from the perspective of classical um bourgeois
political philosophy this is not the government is occupied this is an occupied country okay and that's that is strategically
square one of where we're at and it's not just the federal agencies it's that plus a lot of other
things as well okay so um this is an important theme that we're
going to be talking about and um this is going to be me and jackson's first show where we're going to basically present our ideas.
We're going to present our understanding of how the world works, the state of America today, and so on and so on.
So keep that in mind, all right?
It's going to be both fun.
It's going to be lit.
I'm going to tell you that.
It's going to be actually fun.
Trust me on that.
We're going to have fun together.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to have fun together it's going to be fun it's going to be um it's going to be prescient
and it's going to be informative all right and we're doing it the right way all right and you'll just
you'll see when when it happens so that's what you can expect, okay, from the event. It's going to be a good time.
It's not going to be a tense, you know, I'm not going to be yelling at people and saying, oh, you're not doing enough.
We need to get active. That's on you.
Thank you.
Wow! Promise me to use this money for the pizza.
Also, can I get a ban amnesty?
I honestly didn't know I violated the toes.
Yeah, just whoever that is on ban him, because he gave me $100.
Thank you, man. Wow. I don't care what you did he gave me $100. Thank you, man.
Wow.
I don't care what you did.
It's $100, you know?
Sorry.
Thank you.
Let's go.
That guy just got a premium ticket.
He just paid for some of the pizza.
Because I don't know. There's going to be a lot of people
uh anyway
just tell them
DM the mods please
just tell them
okay anyway
yeah I can be bribed all right i can be bribed unless you're like a criminal or something
then uh unless you're actually like a fed a criminal or like a peto or something i can't there's no
amount of money you can give me to unbanyu.
But if you're any,
you know,
whatever,
if you're just a dumb ass
who couldn't stop
Paul Pot posting,
I can be bribed.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding. It's a joke.
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just a joke. It's a joke.
Anyway, I guys, I can't be bribed. I'm just, like, like, I'm just being, like, I feel like a dick if, like, that guy gave me $100 and I'm not going to.
We unbanned a lot of people, all right? Understand that. Don't start flooding me with money to get unbanned please don't i'm i'm actually serious i'm not joking like don't because that's not a
policy we have like you straight up technically cannot pay for an unbanned that was just a special moment like wow hundred dollars it's extraordinary
understand anyway i'm sick of explaining myself um back to the topic back to the important topic so guys listen i'm going to talk a little bit about
oh boy okay i want you guys to really pay attention to me right now between Between now and the event, there is going to be, and there already seems to be a little bit, but it's kind of farting its way out already, but that's not even half of it. Between now and then, there's going to be a coordinated attempt online the usual fed ops
to do everything in their power to discredit this event just like they did with the rage
against the war machine shit right and to combat misinformation I'm just going to give you some more details. And the reason I think this is going to happen is, and I think the PSL will drive a lot of the defamation. Because I don't care if you believe me or not not but I have proof to back it up at the very least I have proof in my text with Jackson himself to our surprise we did not know that the PSL was also doing an event in Detroit in the same weekend we were.
When they announced that publicly, we had already scheduled something with a venue, and we were talking to them back and forth about the details of pricing and stuff and that's why we didn't announce it back then the reason it took us a few extra months or a month to announce it is because that fucking venue ghosted us so we had to get a totally new one, like, very quickly.
Okay?
So we didn't even know.
We didn't even know.
But the PSL is doing their own thing.
I don't know what they're doing.
I don't know the details, but they're doing that in
Detroit. And the PSL will do the same thing that they did to the other event that they also
tried to call. I really thought, because I kept saying on stream, yeah, we're doing something late May, we're doing something late May. They literally did it just to fuck with us. But I'm not, I don't know, maybe not. But what I mean to say is that they're probably going put it this way we sold out in a few hours
their post announcing their shit got like 200 likes all right so they're going to be really upset
they're going to be really upset and they're going to be really upset, and they're going to, like, start spreading a bunch of bullshit about infrared.
And you guys need to combat misinformation in general.
I'm not too worried about the community in Dearborn.
I'm more worried about...
I'm more worried about, I'm more worried about like the lies they're saying the whole country, you know, in terms of, I'm not worried about whatever the PSL is trying to do in Dearborn.
Because maybe in their world, my name is Adam to hear, and I'm half Jewish, half French and German or something.
They can think that. Like, I'm German or something. They can think that.
Like, I'm fine with that.
You can think that in your world.
But when you come to my turf where people know who my father is and know who my mother is,
and I'm well connected with community leaders of the Shia
Lebanese community
okay people who are
from my parents village and my parents
parents' parents village and shit
you're not going to fuck with me on my home turf
when it comes to that and if PSL
is going to come after me spreading lies about me,
I will publicly embarrass them by getting people I know. I'm an ARAB motherfucker. Family
connections is everything to us. You understand? You're not going to get away with defaming me
without embarrassing yourself and also ostracizing yourself from the very place you're trying to do
your thing from so that's all i'm going to fucking say i'm not worried about people trying to disrupt
the event in the city itself.
Because I'm not saying I'm the prince of that city.
That's not even true.
By the way, I wasn't even like, I was only partially raised there, not fully.
Okay.
So I'm not saying I'm the prince
of the city. I'm just saying
people know who my fucking
family is. You understand?
Like, who I am, where I'm
from, my bloodline,
that kind of shit is locked down.
You're not, all your, your fantasy world that you have on Twitter,
please try bringing that shit to, to, where my parents are from,
to that community, try bringing it there,
and you're going to fucking fall face flat and break your face and get laughed out of
town you understand so let me be clear about that i'm not worried about that but i still want you guys
to combat misinformation in general.
Because why should we let their lies go proliferate unchallenged?
I don't know why you guys do that in general.
There's stuff that I see that you guys could just respond to in two seconds
that's so stupid but nobody
ever responds to it for some reason. I don't
understand.
Thomas Brooke, what's up?
So let's
we should always just get the record straight. That's the most important thing.
Just get the fucking record straight. You understand? By the way, I don't... And let me make myself clear.
This is the only time I'm addressing the PSL. It's the only time. I don't consider the PSL to be rivals of whatever me and Jackson are doing.
If you're a student activist and you just want to yell on megaphones and stuff, please just go to the PSL shit.
We're not trying to co-opt your movement or something.
We're putting on a show.
This is not a form of activism.
I don't care what the PSL does.
Whatever they're doing, like, I don't care.
We're not going to be sitting in a room being like,
let's go.
Yeah, that's not what this is.
So if you want to do that, please.
I invite you to go to their shit.
You understand?
Um,
and I mean that.
And I have no intention of talking about them at all because I don't care about them and i sincerely mean it i
don't care about them i understand that they would like try to wreck the rage against the whatever
machine but i don't consider them rivals like i said in the first day like half of the tickets we have are already sold.
So even if we don't sell any more tickets, we're set for a pretty good first show.
Okay, and we're fine.
Thank you, Jay Summit.
So I don't consider it a rival event.
And I don't consider it a rival event. And I don't consider PSL competitors on any level.
And here's why.
They are not competing for the same demographics that we are.
That goes both for the community where... mean i have better standing than they do already and i'm like
not even i'm a nobody the second thing is uh our demographics are different because we're not
here to like corral college students into activism. Thank you so much,
Riz. We are not here to corral college students into activism. We're not here to organize
protests at college campuses or organized protests in general. I'm not going to comment on that stuff because like i'm not a wrecker
let them go do their thing i don't care like whether if it succeeds good for you i just have
no interest in it myself personally right I have interest in doing other things.
And the other thing I want to say about the PSL, and I'm not even throwing shade at them.
That's the thing. I'm not interested in throwing shade, but let's
please get the facts straight and just get the record straight. The PSL isn't a Marxist-Leninist
organization. Just like in the same way, we don't consider anarchist rivals. We don't consider
Trotskyist rivals either, and I'm not even saying this to attack them or throw shade on them. I'm literally just telling you the fact that Sam Marcy is the ideological forefather of that party. And Sam Marcy was just the spicy tropical Trotskyist. That's it. Thank you,
Warlord. A wrecker at the event is like a retard in chat. Yeah, kind of, yeah. The PSL is just
the tropical Trotskyist, sorry, its founder, Sam Marcy, was just the kind of Trotskyist who also had third-worldest leanings and sympathies, and which led him to defend and support actually existing states in Word. Indeed, I think so but in word yes and i don't i don't know
why people think the psl are tankies just because they proclaim to support actually existing
social states because you have to remember in public, even Trotsky publicly defended the Soviet Union from
imperialism.
Trotsky publicly claimed that he supported the Soviet Union in the Winter War, for example.
And he claimed the Soviet Union was a deformed worker state that still nonetheless needed to be defended.
We just got to get rid of the bureaucracy, whatever.
So I don't know why I'm just trying to tell you.
They're Trotskyists.
And the positions that they take on foreign relations are not incompatible with Trotskyism. That's not what really makes or breaks Trotskyism. What makes or breaks the difference between Trotskyism and Marxism, Leninism, is an overall outlook and understanding of revolutionary strategy, of what socialism as a movement means and what it looks like, and the nature of the proletarian dictatorship. It's things like that, things that are fundamental.
So our difference with the PSL, because they're Trotskyists and we're Marxist Lenin is, it's night and day.
Like, they're not rivals.
They're not rivals, okay?
They're not rivals.
Joe Sims is more of a rival to us than the PSL is. Those are just Trotskyists.
That's not a prerogative. It's literally true. Sam Marcy is the ideological forefather of the Workers' World Party and the PSL.
That's really all I'm going to say on it. Thank you so much, Travolta.
The PSL at this point is just a platform for its leaders to scalp Washington DC demonstration permits.
And like I said, I don't care. I don't care what the PSL does. It's not my concern because
am I going to start complaining about what Democrats do? Am I going to start complaining about what anarchists
and, you know, uh, sock Dems and the, you know, the social democratic party or the DSA does?
Like, I don't care. It's not my turf. That's what I mean. Like, I don't consider that my turf.
Trotsky is jibber jabber is not my turf. That's what I mean. Like, I don't consider that my turf. Trotsky is jibber-jabber is not my turf. Okay. Um, so let me make that clear. Like, yeah, we're just going to keep it moving and do
our own thing. Like, I don't really care what they do. I don't care about Trotskyists. I don't. I don't care about Trotskyists anymore
than I care about any other ideology. Like, that's just the truth. Like, I'm a Marxist Leninist. They're not rivals.
And no pan-leftist is a rival to us, to be clear.
At best, pan-leftists are security issues.
Just like neo-Nazis can be security issues.
Pan-leftists are also security concern because they make threats online pan leftism in general
is of no concern to us they're not our rivals we're not fighting for the same turf that they are
we are marxist leninists and they are pan-leftists.
So, as simple as that.
Like, I just don't care what they do.
And that's the last time I'm going to say this or address that matter.
Like, I just straight up don't care about them.
I know I spent a good deal of time, like, shitting on the PSL and, like, exposing them.
But the work of distinguishing infrared from everyone else is done, I think.
And at this point, like, we can just straight up do our own thing and, not have to care about anyone else to be honest
um pretty as flacco i literally said i'm going to talk about that all right so thanks for
adding me and highlighting your comment in the chat but we're getting to it like right now but we're getting to it, like right now, okay?
We're getting to it now.
Okay?
So, Institute for a Free America.
What is it?
By the way, do you like the logo?
Because I think Jackson's going to come on
the stream.
And we'll talk about so the funny stories surrounding our fights about the logo
because there's a story behind it.
But, because we were like you know we were the logo was not easy to make all right it took a long time but yo thank you so much partisan
the only thing PSL does correctly is have their own media apparatus for college students and get funding from Indian millionaires.
And even then they mess it up.
Yeah, but I mean, like, that's not even the issue.
The issue is that they're Trotskyists.
You know, the premise they're beginning from is just not Marxism, Leninism.
And it's just, you know, that's, there's nothing more to it.
I don't care what they do.
I don't care if they get Indian money or whatever, like, you're Trotskyists.
You're, you're fundamentally, your,
your, your outlook and your understanding of things and like, your position is just so removed
from mine. I just like, I don't care about it. What? I'm going to lose the, the battleground
of winning, like like college students or
some shit like i don't care i don't care anyway um let me talk about the institute for a free
america finally all right so the Institute for Free America finally.
All right.
So the Institute for Free America is something that me and Jackson came up with,
and only me and Jackson for now, for many different reasons. let's just i i can't really so let me just put it this way right
to simplify it this is not the organization this is not a organization so So it's not CPI.
I'm not, we are not recruiting people to the Institute.
People that we want will, we will find them ourselves and just bring them on ourselves.
But it serves a very specific purpose, which is related to the upcoming
organization, but which itself is not a organization. Okay. It's a nonprofit. Okay. It's a nonprofit,
and it's a think tank.
And the main role of the Institute is to diagnose what we consider to be the primary contradiction in America.
It has a diagnostic role. The point is to diagnose the problem without necessarily inserting or imposing a solution. That's the point of the think tank. The point of the organization is about the solution not just the problem that's an affirmative
solution communism but the institute for a free america is just about um basically uh promoting study,
research,
presenting formal legalistic arguments
about how America is an occupied country right now
in the midst of an increasingly diminished status of our civil liberties the
ACLU is not defending us obviously they're part of the system uh America's increasingly
headed down the road of dictatorship so this is kind of a think tank we want to be, and which is being set up to be
already, the American wing of bricks. That's what this is about. So simple. Institute for a Free America
is a bricks-oriented American think tank that me and Jackson created. And it's called Institute for a Free America because the premise is that America is that the American government, or let's use our language differently, the regime in America does not represent the popular sovereignty of the American people or America as a country.
So, and that also include, that's why Canada is included because we don't recognize Canada either.
We want to free all of this upper half of North America, which we consider under occupation, and which we consider to be nayscent with one
people, one civilization, which needs to be freed from the occupation, the occupation of dollar hegemony, the occupation of an increasingly, as Stalin pointed out in his last speech, increasingly dictatorial orientation of the regime, unconstitutional federal agencies, the complete takeover of the government by a cartel of financial capitalists, especially in the form of the Federal Reserve, which fundamentally guarantees a pro-creditor orientation
because the government is literally in debt to the private sector. So there's a lot of things, but this is what the Institute, the Institute is not an organization, because an organization has solutions and it has prescriptions. But the Institute for a Free America is primarily about diagnosing this predicament. It's about having a correct
diagnosis, diagnosis, that provides the context for a communist position in the first place.
It's not necessarily that, but it is necessarily that if you follow it to its logical conclusion.
But we're just leaving room for academics, like international academics.
I mean,
I'm not talking about
the stupid ones in America.
Like international bricks,
economists, bricks,
policymakers,
people that are international
oriented.
To be able to kind of
create a network here in America, a base of operations, so to speak, to kind of like unite that in the American context in a way that doesn't exclude people who aren't explicitly communists.
You know, bricks, as we know,
it's not a communist organization. Russia's not led by a communist party. So yeah, thank you so much Travolta. There's no border with Canada. Yeah, yeah. Free Americaica is about um just freeing the land you know freeing america free the
american people from an occupation so that the institute for free america is a remember it's a
think tank it's going to be a non-profit think
tank it is that and um it was created by jackson and i literally we came up with it last October, I think.
Last October or November.
I think it was December.
I don't know.
Last year we came up with it late last year.
Me and Jackson.
And this is the event where it's going to basically launch to the public.
But you guys don't really have to worry about it, as I'm trying to say, because this isn't the organization.
This is a think tank that Jackson and I, I don't want to spoil too much, but you're going to
understand why we created this institute later this year, later this year, like late,
late into the year, you're going to understand because let's just i don't want to spoil it because when you
say things you jinx them but this is the name we're going to be operating under for certain
international events uh representing america representing America.
The, okay, deadly Dothraki, you're kind of frustrating me.
Why did you say event slash org?
The org is not going to be announced to this event the org has nothing to do with this event the org is something totally separate and that's going to be in a few months how can you
contribute i just told you don't worry about it don worry. The org is what you need to worry about.
Because the org is coming in the summer.
The org is coming in the summer.
This institute is of no concern to you.
And actually, let me double down even more.
I know you guys might like the logo from this institute because it like
reminds you of this c p u s a retinone the actual org we're launching has a totally different
aesthetic orientation from the color like don't don't be too excited about this.
Don't start reping this logo.
I'm going to tell you guys that.
Do not start reppping our logo.
You start repping our logo.
I'm going to assume it's some record, red, red,
record shit, okay?
Because the institute is something like very exclusive and specific and it's not a mass organization. And it's something you like,
I don't, don't get confused and think that this is like, that that logo is going to be the aesthetic orientation we're
headed into because it's not it's not it's something very exclusive and specific for that
institute okay so let me be clear this is not a party this is not an organization
the logo does not aesthetically
represent um where we're going with things when when comes to the organization um and you don't have to worry too much about it, but what you should pay attention to is the compelling legal, professional, theoretical, and historical arguments we're going to bring forward and present, which are about the illegitimacy of the U.S. regime.
And being able to understand that and incorporate that into your outlook is going to be the context for communism.
Hussam, what's up?
My wife are huge fans of you in Jackson.
We have premium tickets and we'll be driving up from Missouri first trip to
Michigan and she wanted to know if the event will be safe. I said yes. Yes, it will be safe. We are going to
guarantee, we're going to prioritize safety above everything. Thank you so much for a donation.
I appreciate you and I'm really happy to hear. You guys are going to make it up to this. Thank you so much.
So the Institute for Free America, it's not an organization open up, open into the public. and you don't have to worry about it because
it's something me and jackson created for a very specific purpose and you know um it's going to be important for the org coming up.
And finally, um, people are also asking like, okay, are you, are you donating the precedes to charity?
No, this is not a fundraiser.
We never said it was a fundraiser.
It's not a fundraiser.
It's a live show.
Okay?
But if you're interested, what we make from this event is going to go to the launch of the organization and will ensure that the that thing we launch won't have to be a paid event.
But we're going to vet people, obviously.
It's not going to be open to the whole public.
It's going to be open to, like, infraredics.
Thank you, W11. See, when we launched the organization and we have that conference, that's going to be a political conference.
That's not going to be a live show.
So we're not really going to monetize it.
We're just going to like vet the shit out of whoever can come to that.
It's going to be like something totally different, you know?
This is something open to the public.
Yeah, that's where the sing-alongs will be yeah sure uh yeah so this uh this is an important event and jackson and i are going to be doing shows. This is our first one.
Because we're not just going to be live streamers.
We're also going to be doing live shows.
Okay.
So that's how it is that's basically how it is so you guys have any questions i'll answer any
questions you have um so all of the information you should have this on the uh ticket receipt if you've gotten a ticket all of the information uh like the exact uh building in the room and exactly when you should show up, that's going to be emailed out to you as we get closer to the event.
I think you already should have gotten a QR code, which we're going to scan at the door to bring everyone in.
Will there be a vaude yes but it will not be live streamed that's another question yeah this is not going to be live streamed it will not be live streamed but it will be recorded and at the very least segments
will be posted later though right probably just the informative ones or something i I don't know. We'll see.
When you release the MAGA video you made before the J Diabic? That's actually a good question. I was planning on doing more of those and combining them because the footage, we didn't get, we only were able to interview like six people i think because we couldn't even get into the maga event we were outside of it and it was like
raining and it was just a it was just a bad weather but it was good good stuff we got from the people we talked to.
It's just like not enough when I looked at it.
So, but you know what?
We are kind of, we're still obviously standing by Maga Communism as a slogan and owning up to that.
But it's not our primary fixation.
We're not just Maga Communists.
Like, that's a smear.
That's another smear.
Maga communismists. Like, that's a smear. That's another smear. Maga communism is a slogan. Okay. So we are communists with a capital C, Marxist Leninist. That's what we are. Okay. We're future oriented. And and yeah the premise of that is our unique analysis of the american situation including the role of maga and stuff yeah we're we're here to um we are post maga actually we american communism is post maga it's not stuck inside maga and i said that
by the way i said that from the beginning by the way it's just no just no one listened. Or you guys listened, but none of our
idiot ops did. Anon, what's up?
Consultation.
Research. Political economic materialist analysis on the long-term viability of lobbies, government departments, ruling families and MNCs, the EFA 500 list, the 2024 EFA Global Review.
Yeah, I mean, as far as the first stuff you said, like, yeah, it's going to be doing stuff like that.
Like, that's what it's about
you know the institute is an institute it's trying to cultivate expertise on the question of is
america even formally like on a booze wall level like is it even legal like is the government even legal at this point
so that's what we're exploring and and also it's free america like free america like put it this way
we are not america i let me let me just simplify it for you, all right?
I don't like the slogan.
I'm not throwing, I'm not trying to attack anyone
because I understand the intentions are good.
I'm just expressing my opinion, by the way.
I'm not telling you what to do.
I personally am not a big fan of America only as a slogan.
Obviously, we don't like America First as a slogan. But I don't like, I don't think America
only is the correct response to America first.
Because you're not addressing the question of which America.
Which America, right?
The problem with America first is that it's, first all the historical origins of the word are very bad.
Second of all, which America is first?
Are you just saying prioritized the American Empire over everything else?
So that was ambiguous, right?
America only is a little bit off the mark because it's, well, what do you mean America
only?
We still are trying to cultivate relations with friends
international friends uh we are not unprincipled just because our position is not exclusively based on morality,
doesn't mean we have no morality or a sense of international norms and international law that we...
Normativity, right?
Like, we do... Okay, we don't, I don't care about Palestine. I only care about
America. And to the extent that I care about Palestine is only to the extent that it affects my
taxes. Well, that's not really our position, actually. We do have a global outlook, okay. We do have an
international outlook. We do have a fundamental solidarity with Palestine and with Donbass, you know, and with China and Russia, whatever, and Iran.
Like, we, that's, that's not just based on, it's not pure Nietzsche and so.
I think that's a false dichotomy, actually.
We, you don't need to be either a pure self-interested Nietzschean or a moralist.
You just have to have a proper understanding of a hierarchy of what it means to have a concrete position.
So the foundation is concrete self-interest, but that foundation also
accompanies a universal and moral outlook as well. So, for example, it is true that it's not in the interest, the concrete self-interest of the American people or America as a country, to continue supporting the Zionist entity. But recognizing that isn't incompatible with also saying that the Zionist entity is a criminal,
immoral, and evil entity. You don't have to use the word moral directly, but you know, you shouldn't
exaggerate too much self-interest to the point where you're making that incompatible with a more international outlook, which we do have, obviously.
Yeah, it's through the particular that we understand the universal morality. That's the point. The point is through the particularity of concrete American interests, we develop and cultivate a sense of what is universal.
That's what our position is based on.
So that's why American only is just kind of trying to out extreme America first.
And I don't think it works.
Okay.
Debate opponent in show Q.
He wants to debate Hitler.
No problem.
We'll get to it.
But, uh...
So, so that should be properly understood. When you, when you're just basing on your position of
on see this is i i need to outline this from a philosophical perspective in a way right because
you may be confused about what i'm talking about Our position is not immoralism.
It's not Nietzschean immoralism.
Our position is very simple.
That the moral is
harmonious with,
compatible with, and rationally commensurate with the material and the concrete.
We are against a morality that's based on thin air and which is based on the a priori bad faith position that every material self-interest or concrete interest is somehow amoral and that morality comes from a superimposition of consciousness or pure will or whatever upon concrete self-interest. In other words, our position is morality is not just pure spiritual will.
Morality is also commensurate with that which feeds you.
People needing to feed themselves is not inherently amoral. It is the context within which, what is ultimately moral, develops in a concrete way. There is no morality without concrete material interests. That's our position. Our position is not, you know, it's not this ridiculous
position of just like, see, the reason we believe in concrete self-interest is not because we are immoral or amoral.
It's because that we trust that through the fulfillment of concrete self-interest, in its true actuality the what is truly moral will be fulfilled because the moral
arises from it and exists only within the context of the concrete and the actual and the material and then all these
kind of dilemmas in which morality conflicts with concrete self-interest are false dilemmas actually
those are false dilemmas actually.
Those are false dilemmas.
Throw any one of them you can think of at me, and I'll tell you it's a false dilemma.
For example, well, what if it's true that the standard of living of the American people will go up if America continues committing crimes around the world.
Doesn't that mean it's in the concrete interests of the American people to support imperialism?
And it's like, but the same apparatus which exerts criminal intentions and behaviors toward other peoples is also the same one that's used to regulate the population here.
America is not some tribe, okay? America is itself an abstraction as well.
Um, so it's not like it's a concrete tribe of people who just know each other, and it's this pure kind of Nietzschean self-interest.
No.
America's 331 million people.
And what is it?
Human memory?
You only know 200 people, okay your life concretely so the same
immorality that your government is doing against others that necessarily does reflect internally
about who you are, both existentially,
as well as even like in terms of how, you know,
how the military occupation in Iraq,
the equipment used and it was literally given to the police departments here to use against the people, right? So it's like that's a more direct example of it. But no, we are not isolationists. We're not, that's a smear word. We're not isolationists. We're not, that's a smear word.
We're not isolationists.
Isolation is the right-wing isolationism.
That doesn't mean we support interventionism either.
We're neither interventionists nor isolationists. We believe in focusing on America and having international solidarity with our allies, which is the international proletariat, the forces of the international proletariat and anti-imperialism.
So, I mean, that's just traditional Marxism, Leninism for you, right?
So the real slogan that I think is our answer to America first, as a slogan, is free America.
Our slogan is free America. Before you can articulate America as a concrete self-interest, we need to acknowledge that that self-interest is not being reflected in the representatives of America, which is the government.
So that's square one for us is free America before you say okay
America first America only America a little bit America partially before you like squabble about
that how about America needs to be freed first free America right so that is our position free
America America needs to be freed that is our position. Free America.
America needs to be freed.
You know, Maga doesn't just say, why are we sending our money? i'm not saying dial back on that focusing on
concrete self-interest that's not what i'm saying just don't assume that that is incompatible
with international solidarity that because it's not because it's not don't have a bad faith
interpretation of maga and think oh they they just care about you know what they just care about
they don't want to send they just care about money or something. Like, no, it's more than that. It's also principle. You know, why are we sending money to Ukraine to neo-Nazis to murder civilians and terrorize civilians? Instead of taking care of our own,'s not a cynical amoral position you know why are we
going abroad and slaughtering innocent it's like you see how it's combined you need to combine
the two actually you need to combine the two don't be a moralist
but don't also don't be a satanist it's that simple and it's like you know what i'm saying is
literally what jesus said it's only what the prophet said you know you got to have a golden
mean and not don't assume more don't have a conceit of moralism based on thin air,
but also don't have this kind of a bronze age pervert, because the end result of that is just ridiculous bronze age pervert nonsense,
which is in self a contradictory position inevitably, right? It's not about altruism,
and it's not about selfishness. It's a false dichotomy. When you correctly appraise on an
existential level or on an ontological level the object of will you realize the object of will is not even a physical individual body the object of will is a social being okay so for example and honor also has to figure into self-interest honor is also
part of self-interest because honor is a fundamental part of what yourself is your self is not just your physical subsistence. Your physical subsistence is clearly the after
effect of processes that cannot be reduced to it, right?
But in the same way, your physical self, sorry, your self is also, and this is lysanquism, affected by things that are on the face of it intangible, like honor, like ideas, like your class position. That's not a pure tangibility. Your class orientation, you know, your character.
So before we have an argument about self-interest versus selflessness.
No, that's a false dichotomy.
Because what is the self in the first place?
The self is not the subject of English utilitarianism,
which is just a fat money-grubbing, fat pig capitalist, who just like is just trying to get as fat as possible
That is not this the object of sorry that is not
The self that is not what the self is the self also includes things that are irreducible
to the um to the physical definition constituted by uh body, your physical body, okay? It also includes the relations
that you're embedded within. It also includes the purpose for which you are alive and so on and so on.
So that is a kind of philosophical lecture I wanted to give about America First versus America only and versus free America.
I hope you understand it.
If there's any, before I get into this debate, if there's anything else I wanted to cover about the event. You guys are on the right track in terms of American particularism.
That's a good thing.
I love the AI art and all that stuff.
It's great.
We need to keep at that.
But let's not have a narrow parochial outlook or pretend to have that we are future oriented and you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna say some crazy shit you guys aren't even
ready for it we we do we do have this is a pill that like nobody is ready for but we do have a quality of globally to us our america is so particular.
We are concrete America, like rugged America, the land, the soil, whatever.
But that also gives us a global outlook as well.
It's not a prescriptive one where we're forcing ourselves, our ways on others or our perspective on it. That's not what it means. It just means we have a sense of like what Xi Jinping said, which is the shared and common destiny of mankind.
We share a common destiny as mankind.
To what Zhizenping says.
No.
I'm not fucking talking
about industrializing the world either.
Okay? Don't
take my shit out of context because like I see shit like that.
I get super disappointed.
It's not what I'm saying.
No, we're not going to industrialize the world or save the world.
We are going to have a position of solidarity and understand a wide and lofty perspective where we understand, you know, just like what Xi Jinping says, we live on one planet.
And we are striving for a future where America, Russia, China, all nations live together in peace and cooperate together as equals for in pursuant to the common and shared destiny of mankind as a whole.
That's what we believe in it's it because she she she learned from china china it also has an
understanding of a perspective of
globally. China isn't trying to be a hegemon, but Xi Jinping says, you know, we do have a shared future as mankind. And what does that look like in practice?
It looks like sending delegates to participate in international conferences
and share your perspective and balance it with other people's perspectives
and, you know, have a sense of responsibility for, you know, Putin has the same perspective. You know, you guys need to understand something. Parochial nationalism is not the position of Putin or Xi Jinping or Iran, you know, or all the
people we like. That's not their position.
It's not parochial nationalism.
It's very much based on a position of, you know,
having a collective security architecture that works. This is what
Russia always said. They're like, listen,
Europe, we need to come together and agree
on a security architecture.
Which
doesn't involve NATO
encroaching upon us.
Which, you know, how to deal with Russia and China are collaborate on things like, how do we deal with criminality and banditry and human trafficking?
There's nothing wrong with that shit.
You know, like how do we cooperate on mutual win-win economic development?
That's a good thing, all right?
So it's just a kind of diplomatic perspective.
It's not based on force.
It's not based on coercion or force.
It's based on having a lofty, wide, futuristic kind of outlook, not a narrow parochial one.
So this is the meaning of internationalism, by the way.
That's what it has always meant okay i think this guy uh wants to debate so let's just bring him up. Hello.
Hello.
You're muted.
I'm not muted.
Yeah, I am.
Yo, what's up?
Yeah, bro.
So what I wanted to debate about last night was, not last night,
a couple nights ago was I don't
think this movement
is necessarily
going to be successful.
But like considering you have a whole
what's it called event coming up, I don't really want to shit on your parade.
But I was like what I was going back and forth with with people
in the Discord.
All right.
Well, here's, here's where I'm
going to come from when it comes to that. See,
I'm not a speculator like
like Wall Street
Betts or something or like
I'm also
not an astrologer.
Okay. So when you're talking about you're not going to be successful, it's kind of meaningless to me.
Okay, yeah, okay.
Let me explain better, right?
I just, the question I was positing to the people within your community was what concrete strategy?
You talk about meat and
potatoes right yeah like
what do you how do you plan to
grow the movement like
honestly hars i'm not shitting
on you like i respect i i don't i don't need you to come here
to ask me my plan.
I want you to lay out why you think our plan is incorrect or wrong.
Because how are you going to grow?
It's another question.
I mean, we have a solution, but what's your criticism of our viewpoint on this?
You're not targeting the right audience.
Okay.
Like your message, who does your message appeal to?
Okay.
Who do you think?
Okay.
Because you go to Maga Boomers, right?
Yeah.
On those, like, the most, like, brainwashed anti-communist type of people, like, shouldn't you be trying to appeal to more of the Red Pill crowd?
And that's what I was, like, trying to bring up the other day.
And everyone was saying, oh oh why would we want to like
appeal to people who listen to a sneaker
or like a Aidan Ross or they're retarded
but isn't like the zoomers the
that's like the future you agree
with that no? I
agree the young people are the future but
if you'll give me time to respond, then explain.
Sure. So I think one of the reasons we try to communicate with Maga boomers is because they come from identifiable blue-collar working-class backgrounds,
and that also implies working-class families, meaning their Zuma kids come from those families.
When it comes to understanding the class nature of Zoomers, as it is always, it's kind of
ambiguous.
You know, a lot of people in college, you can't just judge what someone's class background is just because they're in college.
Some people are in college and they're in debt and they're not going to be able to get careers.
Some people are in college and their parents paid for everything and a future is set for them.
Some people are in college and they're going to piss it away themselves doing an interpretive
dance degree.
And some young people are totally employed and can't find work and they can't find a job so young people
generally unless they're part of like the one percent they kind of share a common fate
but only the people whose parents are magab boomers, we think, are identifiably from the right
working class families for whom our message could resonate. Second of all, I agree that young
people are the future and that we should vibe with them better. I find this criticism
a little bit curious because the biggest pushback that we get from the pan leftists is that
apparently we're too young and we're not Simpsons posting millennials
enough. We don't love the Simpsons
enough and we're not millennial enough
who like Chapel Trap House.
Okay, but that's not like you're never going
to appeal to those type of pan-left
It's like they're relevant. Yeah, I agree what you're saying.
I'm just saying.
I think I'm just trying to say I don't know if you're giving us enough credit
in terms of how we have been able
to win.
Not necessarily people in high school
but adult 18 and up, you know, like 20 to late 20s, that demographic.
That goes into another thing.
Like the message that you offer, it's not necessarily unique, like, no
offense. Like, a lot of your prescriptions
and your solutions, like, other movements offer
them. Which ones?
I mean, like, what are your economic solutions?
Like,
nationalize the Fed, nationalize the energy industry.
Other, other movements offered,
like the general Maga movement,
like that's kind of their position.
Aren't you like also kind of,
not isolationist,
but you don't want to send money overseas and whatnot.
Like a lot of other movements
offer these same prescriptions, these same
solutions. But my
contention is that the communist
You're like,
America first, Mag, the Maga movement.
Where does Maga call for
nationalizing the fundamental
Anyone that's anti-establishment, dude, like, anyone that's anti-establishment, dude, like...
I disagree with that.
Yeah, anyone that's anti-establishment has these general...
I disagree with that.
I think that a lot of them are libertarians
and actually are not immediately open to that idea.
You really think the market crowd is libertarian? They're not anti-war. They're not anti-intervention.
Sure, but you're talking about different things. Being anti-interventionist isn't the same thing as
believing that we should have a more similar economy to China where, you know, we basically, the land is all publicly owned, all of the fundamental minerals and resources, and the energy is nationalized.
I don't, I don't, I'm not saying that there, they would be close to that idea.
I'm just saying it's not the default position of any other movement.
Yeah, let's say China is like a nine, but the Maga people are like at a three and you can conceivably like work them up to the nine.
Like they'd be more open to it.
Like the more, that just comes with knowledge because a lot of these market people are just ignorant.
Okay, sure.
So we want to educate people.
So what's the problem with that? So when you say our position is not unique, it's not true. It is unique. How's it unique? You just admitted why. Because if we have to educate people on this position that they don't automatically have, that means that we are the ones who have that position uniquely.
Otherwise,
we wouldn't need to educate them.
Yeah,
but all the solutions like you're going to give,
other movements give those solutions.
Sure, which ones?
Dude,
America first.
When has America
first ever really talking
about economic policy
in any prescriptive way?
But dude,
Haas,
you understand?
Like,
the economic part
is the easy part.
Like,
everyone who's kind of...
I disagree with that.
Everyone who is anti-establishment,
like, if you can get into power,
like the hardest thing is actually getting to
power. Once you get into power, like,
it's kind of easy to come up with, like, the economic
solutions. Okay. I get, I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying, but it's not really, the reason I'm mentioning economic isn't necessarily because I disagree with what you just said that. Yeah, it's about taking power. But our understanding of how the power works is based on class analysis. And that is a unique perspective we have. And that doesn't mean we're forwarding policy prescriptions that are out of this world. It just means that we correctly have clarity in ways that other people don't in terms of how
we operate. We understand
the class differences in ways that
other movements simply don't, who
are anti-establishment.
Okay, but
how is you, okay, how is
you, okay, when you say the class, that's just like... Okay, when you say the class...
That's just like a slogan.
When you say the class conflict,
what is the conflict between the...
Like, explain that.
Like, because...
I mean, with all due respect,
I've spent probably most of my time on air
explaining it.
So it's very clear my understanding of how hegemony works and how institutions work and how that relates to media and information warfare and yada, yada, yada.
And I don't really think anyone else...
Isn't the general Maga movement already anti-media or like, you know, Trump?
Yeah, but they don't understand how or why.
They just kind of, it's just a...
They're not wrong in their instincts, but they don't have clarity on the matter.
Did you ever think you're going to get the Maga public to that level of clarity?
Yeah.
The general people, they're not like, they're not commonly a theorist, bro.
They can't understand.
Okay, sure, but it's not just theory.
It's also having clarity in practice about having an explicitly working class-based politics that are in the interests of the working class uniquely and exclusively.
Okay. So, like, what does that look like how can i describe it more than what i just said
like so what how are you going to go about doing that is what I'm asking like what's your what's your
plan well our plan is to actually build and I think I've exhausted personally the extent of my reach
I haven't fully exhausted, but I've
exhausted what I can do on the internet
without showing results in real life,
I think. So the next
step is we're going to launch an organization
which will, in practice,
organize
people and in practice, organize people and in practice do the work that we think is necessary to have a presence in the real world and in real world politics and in communities that will distinguish us concretely from everyone else, not just in word, but also indeed.
Bro, the thing is, like, I, that process of waking people up and educating them, like, other movements can do it without the communist baggage that the aesthetic the name communism comes with.
Do you know what I'm trying to say?
No, I don't because the reason it's important to have the quote unquote baggage you're talking about is that that baggage is a set of tools that enables a specific, specific operational,
a unique operational orientation, which creates distinction between cadres and general masses,
which distinguishes people who are class conscious
and theoretically equipped from the general public who aren't.
And if you don't have a distinction like that,
then you're not going to be able to distinguish between, you know, on an operational level, what you can do as an organization and for whom you are doing it for.
If you can't have that distinction, then when you get up on a, when I get up on a podium and I
address people, I'm not going to be able to draw distinctions between like, okay, am I talking to the
people who are going to carry this out, or am I talking to the general public, right? That's a very
important distinction to have. you can't just talk to
everyone at once first of all so just that operational distinction that the communist baggage
you're calling it brings allows for organization in ways that no other ideology does.
Every other ideology is based on a cult.
It's based on the complete cult of just one person giving everyone orders in general, right?
Communism is distinguished from that,
in contrast to other movements which require you know billions of dollars or which requires some kind of like uh which turn into cults or something like that because it has an ability to organize people distinguishing them operationally from the general public
while also growing the reach, the influence, and the sphere of activity of the organization
itself.
Okay, but what are the issues that- And you can do that with a solid theory, itself. Okay, but what are the issues
And you can do that with a solid theory, actually.
The theory applied into practice.
But dude, the issues that
Americans care about, right?
Like, all that stuff you just said,
like, how are you going to
communicate that to the public? You're going to
communicate it like by speaking on the issues that Americans actually care about. Right. But in order to,
in order to identify what Americans care about, like I said, you need that operational distinction.
Trump already did, I mean, Trump already did that and Trump is not this.
Trump, Trump, Trump is a gambler who's walking in and blind.
He doesn't understand why the message resonates with people in the way that it does.
He just understands the results only.
But isn't it your position that the masses will never be like a communist elite?
Like they will never get it.
Yeah, I do agree.
But that's, but what is a communist delete?
What is it supposed to do?
It's supposed to correctly translate theory into the language of the masses by correctly articulating the will of the masses in ways that the masses themselves cannot do by themselves.
Okay.
Trump kind of did that, but he was throwing darts blind,
and he managed to hit the target on accident.
Okay.
He wasn't informed by a specific method, expertise, or theory, which allows him to interface
with the masses and actually understand what their position, their will, their consciousness
is at.
So what will be the central dominant worldview in the communist, in your communist feature
in your common division?
What do you mean?
Like, like, shouldn't there be a, you know how the Middle East, it's like, Islam,
China, they have a central dominant
worldview, like, what will be
the prevailing ideology, the prevailing
worldview? Like, is, do you just,
will Maga and
far-lipped liberals coexist?
Like, how, how are you going to,
what will be the dominant worldview?
How are you going to unite these people?
Like, this clear contradiction
between these very succinct, different groups of people.
How do you plan to, you know, reconcile that?
I'm not sure if I understand your question properly.
If you're asking us, how are we going to unite people around something?
Yeah.
Like in a way, for example, where China has Confucianism and the Middle East has Islamic civilization, that's based actually on the civilization where we live in America.
That's based on America as a unique region, as a unique civilization, and as a unique poll.
Yeah, but you realize, like, this whole unique civilization, the respect of the Constitution.
No, no, but I think you're reducing it. I don't think you understand what it is properly and I think you actually
do need a correct mark. I think it applies to like
only one demographic though, only one group of people.
I disagree.
Liberals don't give a shit about this.
Well, okay, who, okay, well, we can
kind of break down the
demographic of
who live with...
You think Hassan,
Desi,
Vos,
do you think
they care about
this shit?
Just let me know
when you're ready
to let me finish.
Okay,
go ahead.
Yeah,
my bad.
So this is
why a class
analysis and an understanding of hegemony is actually important, because we can break down, A, who the liberals are, B, what attaches people to liberal ideology, and see what the ultimate cause of that is, right?
So first of all, who are the liberals, right?
Liberals tend to be people who live in urban contexts.
They tend to be people who whose money is primarily made
on the basis of working
for
hegemonically aligned institutions
not based on labor,
physical labor, what they do with their hands,
but what they do with their head,
right? This is kind of the source of the liberal
hegemony, so-called intellectual, creative, professional, whatever classes. So that is kind of the
crux of the basis of liberalism.
Second of all, who is under the sway of liberalism outside of this category?
Well, outside of this category, the youth are.
The youth are under the sway of liberalism, primarily because they are interpolated by liberal institutions such as the media
and such as institutions of higher education even there's a counter liberal movement starting
yeah that's but i'm i'm just kind of breaking down to you and what liberalism is and who it reaches and how.
Yeah, because of the academia, media, entertainment, yeah, I get it, yeah.
Yeah, so ultimately, all of those things are ultimately, that's a hegemony. And the
hegemony is obviously based in the ruling class, because who funds the hegemony is the capitalist
class, the ruling class. You understand that, right? Yeah. That's who gives, that's who props up all the media, academia, organizations, all the corporations, whatever, right?
And that funnels and trickles down into a form of hegemony that interpolates people's consciousness.
And the closer you are to that hegemony directly,
in terms of its ability to spread its consciousness,
the more inclined you are to be liberal.
Rule people tend not to be liberal
because it's not that they're outside the hegemony, it's just that they're not as
directly assuade by it. If you're working with your hands and your primary job is something
that's based on labor, your consciousness is less important to shape
than if you're a writer at Netflix, for example, right? So it's not that, that's not to say
that your consciousness isn't important to shape at all. Obviously, it is. There's plenty of right-wing billionaires funding all these kinds of this shadow hegemony, maybe you can call it. But it's clearly not the hegemony. It's clear it's not MTV. It's not what you see on TV directly. It's not, you know,
the front facing, um, consciousness of the empire, right? Yeah. So, so, okay, so how, how do you get around that?
How do you address that?
Well, it's simple.
It's through class struggle.
The problem with the youth being interpolated by hegemonic institutions, that can't be solved just by kind of dismissing all the liberals
as class enemies. Obviously, it can't, right? Also, unions, I should add, are part of this as well. And I think
unions are different than the kind of
mental laborers I mentioned so unions are another factor so how do you address
hegemony for populations that you do need?
Because the Hassan Pekers, the Vosha's, and the destinies, you don't need those people.
You don't need streamers.
You don't need people who make a living writing.
There's millions of liberals, dude. Okay. Yeah. don't need people who make a living writing. You don't need...
There's millions of liberals, dude.
Okay, let me explain this to you.
You're not listening.
It's all going over your head. I understand there's millions,
but the masses of liberals,
those people can be easily swayed if you build alternative
institutions that are more powerful and prove to be more powerful. They will tail behind
a working class movement as soon as it becomes more lucrative
for them on a material
and authoritative level
in terms of political authority.
So that won't be hard at all.
It's the ones whose class interest
is bounded up with the hegemony.
You can say our class enemies of the working class,
primarily the capitalist class, right? Primarily the Wall Street and whatever, right? And then below that,
you kind of have the mental laborers, so-called mental laborers and stuff, the Netflix writers and all them. But anyway, listen, that is just a kind of great, that's a hierarchy that's based in one identifiable small ruling class.
So you don't have to worry about the polarization in America between the cities and the countryside and between, you know, blue versus red.
That seems very insurmountable and very intimidating. and between, you know, blue versus red,
that seems very insurmountable and very intimidating when you're unable to break down the causes
and the origins of these different positions
through a materialist analysis,
through a scientific analysis.
I get the origins
of all of all of this like perfectly
the problem is I just
don't think your movement is like
particular enough
it's like
who should we be speaking to then
that we're not now
like I think you should be trying should we be speaking to then that we're not now?
Like I think you should be trying to speak to like
the Red Pill like
people. That's that's
I don't agree because you have to
understand the only people among the Red Pill crowd we could be appealing to are, let's call them the low-level viewers, not too invested, not too ideologically inclined, open-minded, whatever.
The issue is that you can pander to those people all you want, but if you don't have authority to back it up with in terms of clout, you're not going anywhere. So it's a chicken and the egg type of thing.
And what you don't understand is that people who have cloud, that there's two factors to this.
It's not just having correct messaging.
It's also having the authority to stand on that earns you the respect of an audience.
What does Hassan Piker have that I don't have? Despite the fact that that man wears nail polish and speaks gibberish, the difference between me and Hassan Piker is about 20,000 live viewers.
And it's maybe a few million followers.
A million followers or two.
Your message is completely different.
It doesn't matter.
Because the difference between me and Hassan Piker
is that your average red pill guy, not red pill guy, but the average audience who's like barely invested with whom we could win over knows who Hassan is and doesn't know who I am. Moreover, would be more inclined to listen to what
Hassan says, even if they hate it and we'll dismiss it right away, then listen to anything
I say because I don't have the clout or the authority to back up my words. So that's the
difference. So in's the difference.
So in terms of our square one, I think you're getting it wrong.
Having and building a solid form of organization and community is the most important thing.
And only then and only then
can you build
and reach out to others.
Does I just go back to my initial point?
How do you plan to grow?
Yeah.
You're asking a question.
You're not critiquing our growth strategy.
You just don't know what it is.
I mean, dude, like, honestly, you just start, you have a, uh, a show coming up.
Like, I don't want to like, come.
No, I, by all means, like, I'm not, that's fine.
That's fine. Your's, that's fine.
Your,
your comments will not make a difference on the success of my show, I promise.
I'm saying like,
dude,
like,
Haas,
you've,
over the past year,
I've like watched you off and on.
Like,
you've kind of stagnated in growth.
Okay.
And, and, and, and, um, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that.
Clearly I haven't on Twitter.
Yeah, but that's, thanks to October 7th.
See, that's another thing that you guys like to bring up.
Not really, my Twitter following before October 7th.
You blew up because of October 7th, bro.
That's why Jackson went to 2 million followers.
Sure.
Well, that was a huge, I agree that was a huge point of growth but i was growing
before october 7th very rapidly as well it's just that wasn't as rapid
bro the thing the thing is even like jacks you know, I think you're actually a perfect example of why you are not a shepherd archetype.
You're a sheep archetype.
Because you're...
No, no, no. Let me explain this to you.
Because you're sitting here and trying to critique how I've stagnated from the back seat.
And you're like, oh, I don't know.
But, for example, you don't understand I was banned for six months on Twitter.
You don't understand I've been banned on Twitch.
You don't understand that I can't live stream
to YouTube anymore because
they're starting to crack down
and they're going to delete my channel and delete all my videos
so I have to literally walk on eggshells.
You don't understand how I'm literally
facing all these hurdles.
You're just looking at the effects of all of that. You're upset that I'm literally facing all these hurdles. You're just looking at the effects of all of that.
You're upset that I'm not.
No, no, no, no, no.
I don't think it's because you're incapable of, I'm going to meet you for a second, because I want to, I want to just kind of get this message through.
I think you're kind of insulting my audience right now because you're basically talking about
the effects of a huge systemic hurdle that I faced who Hassan Piker did not face,
Hassan Piker, who was uncle
as Jenk Uyghur, and
was easily able to become famous
through his nepotistic family connections
right away, who has never
faced any kind of censorship at all,
and you're looking at his success, and you're saying, why aren't you that successful?
Well, I've had a lot of things thrown in my way.
I've been under attack by a lot of different forces.
But despite that, my community sticks with me. Why? Because they understand, were it not for those forces, I would be way more famous than I am now. My community actually does have excellent taste.
That's what I'm trying to say.
I'm not going to let you insult my community by you just kind of dick riding all of these different authorities that you respect.
I understand.
You respect the authorities. i don't have authority i don't control twitch i didn't control twitter before elan musk where i got banned for
six months i don't control youtube that gets me banned all the time i I don't control the FBI or the CIA
who literally
every other day is spreading
some kind of bullshit,
bad jacketing, fake
nonsense against me to destroy my
reputation. I don't control any of
these things. Were it not for these kinds of factors, you would not be talking this way to me.
Were it not for the authorities who you actually respect, which is the government, you would be
getting down on your knees and you would be bowing to me.
You would be worshiping.
You would be groveling at my feet
if I didn't have to face these kind of obstacles
because you would see 10,000 live viewers
next to my name instead of 600.
So, but only because your king your true authority which is the hegemony has been able to suppress me as much as they have been, only because of that and exclusively because of that, do you sit here and complain about perceived stagnation online?
Now, as if it's not something I've also thought about. By the way, I think you're exaggerating the stagnation, but I agree YouTube has definitely
stagnated, but I can't upload or post to YouTube because I'll get my channel banned if I keep
doing it persisted. I'm scared of my YouTube growing, to be completely honest. If my YouTube,
listen, I want you to use common sense.
Do you think tomorrow if I got 100,000 subscribers that YouTube wouldn't crack down and delete my channel?
Be honest with yourself.
You don't have to answer it's rhetorical.
Be honest with yourself. You don't have to answer it's rhetorical. Be honest with yourself. Jackson
has already gotten banned from YouTube with no explanation by the way. You think I could go viral on
YouTube and become like Hassan Piker or something and not get immediately deleted and banned, that would be the first thing that happens.
I know that and you know that.
It's a miracle.
I'm on Twitter still, and that's only because of Elon Musk.
And here I am on
kick only because this is a free speech
platform and I'm on Rumble.
The only mainstream
platform I'm on is YouTube because
they haven't deleted my channel yet
because I barely post on it.
Okay?
So you respect those authorities.
I get it.
You respect them because they have power.
Because you're a sheep.
A sheep only respects the guy with the big stick who's beating on people with the big stick because you're a sheep because your
instinct is to be correctly corralled and shepherded by an actual shepherd i have a community of
shepherds whose tastes are based on actually independently being like, you know what,
even though this Haas guy isn't super famous, he deserves to be,
and I have the taste to make that judgment independently.
I actually think Haas is someone based on my own independent judgment that I think is worth following.
See, my followers aren't sheep. If they were sheep, they would be Hassan viewers.
It takes a lot to have the mental independence to be part of this community.
Because I have no power or authority that's established that speaks for itself.
I don't have that.
I can't just tell people I'm already famous and viral, so therefore you should listen to what I have to say.
I have to say the same thing that I said when I had 10 viewers.
And this community that you see, you should be floored that it's as big and dedicated that it is now.
Because of what I just mentioned. Because I've literally been saying the same shit that I did when I had 10 viewers.
And they can see that because they're not sheep.
They're shepherds.
So I'm going to unmute you, but I just wanted to get that off my chest.
Jesus Christ, Haas.
You just stral mad me to fucking hell.
First of all, I don't like Hassan.
I don't even watch Hassan.
I'm not saying you like him.
I'm just saying you respect him.
I hate Hassan.
I hate this.
No.
And I don't...
I'm going to mute you again because I just...
So, I'm going
to unmute you shortly, but I don't want to waste
my time with this
because I'm not saying that you like them. I'm
saying that you respect them.
If you're in, if you're in prison,
unless you're about to make a break
for it, right? Unless you're about to run.
You respect
the guards. You do respect them because
they're the ones with the guns. They have
the power. Of course you respect them. they're the ones with the guns. They have the power. Of course you respect
them.
Okay?
So you respect Hassan because
he has 20,000 concurrent viewers
and so many followers.
His
voice is intrinsically
more important to you, even if you disagree with it, because of that.
And I'm not even trying to say that you're a bad person for that.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying you are a good example of how our strategy is informed by an understanding that most people are like you.
Most people do not think for themselves and only really speak the language of power, authority, and clout.
That's just, and I'm not saying they're bad people for that either.
I'm just saying most people don't think that much in general and are just going to take what they see, right?
And clout speaks for itself.
But you need to understand that I've been saying the same thing as I've said since I had 10 viewers.
And I've gotten as far as I have now,
even though I've declared war against like every other political community.
And I've made it this.
And I, and the most important thing is, you claim I've stagnated, I beg to differ.
I have maintained probably the strongest and most aggressive online communist community, the most loyal, the most dedicated and the most advanced.
And that's not easy, actually.
That you don't just get that automatically. You't get that automatically you understand so let's be clear this is not an automatic thing you so it's stagnation
really really it's stagnation, how?
You just don't remember what it was like one year ago, when it was 2023.
You don't remember that.
Go ahead, I'll unmute you.
So I didn't want to get into this topic is you just went into a whole tangent like completely missing my point the whole point I was trying to make was I just don't think communist the communism message is not attracted I don't think you're not growing we don't care if it's attracting I don't think you're not growing because of anything about you I think I think you're not growing because of anything. I don't think you're not growing because of anything about you.
I think I think you have good insights.
Yeah.
I think you have a lot of truth. Well, I want, I want to clarify where we're coming from is communists.
We are not communist because it's popular.
We're communist because it's true.
Okay.
You still have to grow, though.
Yeah, but, but if it's the truth,
then the growth is just a matter of having the correct strategy actually. Okay, let's
let's let's look at uh,
Nick Fuentes. He's like
yeah just like like
banned as like anyone right
and he's still managed to grow
because he's happening to like
okay how long has Nick Fuentes
been a personality
on the internet?
Haas,
be honest with me
right now.
If you're saying
if you've been around
since 2016,
you would be as big
as Nick Fuentes right now.
Probably bigger.
Probably much bigger.
You generally believe that.
I not only believe it I would be willing to bet
literally my entire life on it
and and specifically
2016 because we would have been able to prevent
the cancer how would the communist
fucking movement...
Sorry, my patience is very limited.
I just server muted him because he just
screamed at me, screaming how
when I was literally in the middle of explaining
how.
That was very frustrating.
You know, I'm managing my anger because I'm a patient person now, but I didn't really like
how he screamed, and I could literally hear the screeching vibration in his throat, how,
when I was in the middle of explaining how.
Didn't appreciate that at all.
I wasn't a big fan of that.
But in any case, to explain to you how, in 2016, we did not see the growth of the cancerous pan-leftist online sciop.
Hassan Piker wasn't a thing.
Destiny was barely a thing.
Vos wasn't a thing.
All of these people who have played a fundamental and pivotal role
and getting us censored, de-platformed, getting our reputations destroyed,
smearing us as neo-Nazis, they wouldn't have been around. We would have a much more solid footing
fresh off of the failed Bernie Sanders movement in 2016 had we started then. So yes, I have no doubt whatsoever that we would have been
much more, much, much, much bigger, much bigger if we started then, as opposed to starting in 2021.
And it's only been three years.
So I'll unmute you. Go ahead.
Yeah, but the political climate wasn't primed to accept a communist message.
Like, a communist to the capital C, right?
The left would
still consider you
as fascists,
right?
Look, here's a thing.
Nick Fuentes,
you don't remember this,
but he was actually,
he worked for the daily wire.
He worked for Ben Shapiro.
Hassan Piker worked for the young Turks.
So it's not about the message. It's about which institutions are going to give you the credibility
that you need for people to listen to you to have a foot in the door right off the back.
You think the Daily Wires crowd like like, boosted off Fuentes?
What? What? Are you serious, bro? Let me server mute you so I don't get any interruptions.
I don't think that. I know that. Because I know it was the young conservatives and the TPUSA who were primarily Ben Shapiro's audience or a big part of his audience at the time that did absolutely. I do know that for a fact. I'm not sure why that's comedy to you. It's just the fact. It doesn't matter what message you're putting out. It matters what credibility you have based on which authorities are legitimating you. I never had any authority legitimated me. Not once.
What authority ever legitimated me, Caleb Maupin?
By the time authorities began legitimating me,
I had already made a name for myself.
Zirka,
who's not even political?
Zirka did do me a solid, I'm not going to lie, but it wasn't
a political benefit. It was just he
he, it was a huge clout injection
I got. Just because
he, Zirka was already viral,
so I agree with that.
But in terms of the political
movement,
he could only do so much.
But Hassan Piker had the Young Turks.
His uncle literally owns the Young Turks.
The Young Turks, in turn, gets injections
of how much money
from billionaires,
what's his name, the Kratzenberger's or whatever?
I mean, yeah, sorry, dude.
We built, see, what you don't respect and what I'm going to demand you respect as a condition of being here is that we built this shit from the ground up.
We built this shit from the ground up. We built this shit from the ground up.
Literally from the ground up.
We built this shit from the ground up.
You understand?
Don't you ever compare me to another fucking political community.
We built this shit from the ground up off the backs of nothing but ourselves.
And who did we have the connections with to give us legitimacy and credibility?
Nobody. All they did was shit on us and credibility. Nobody.
All they did was shit on us and laugh at us.
We built this shit, and we alone built this shit.
You understand?
Who Caleb Mopping gave me credibility?
I surpassed Mopping in three, four months.
Who gave me credibility?
Who gave me legitimacy?
Who boosted me up?
The best thing you can say is Wow Mao did.
But that was a comedy video.
That was a comedy video.
Who Destiny?
His community have never respected me.
There was a time they didn't cancel me, but they never respected me.
They never agreed with any shit I say. Destiny never endorsed my messages. As a matter of fact, I debated him multiple times.
Even when there was no personal beef with us, we had very aggressive debates. Like on the Uyghurs, right away I was getting called Adolf Hitler because I denied the Oigur genocide. So when you look at
this community and you look around and you're not satisfied with where it's at and you're trying to compare us to others, I want you to remember that we built this shit. We alone built this shit. And no one else.
Excuse me for raising my voice go ahead
okay in the same way how you went against
the top leftist
streamers Nick was an adversary to Ben Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro didn't even debate Nick,
but Destiny was debating you.
I'm going to mute you again, because you're not getting the message.
Yeah, that's true when he broke with him.
I'm not denying that that happened.
But he had the benefit of being
part of the Daily Wire.
You think that's how I started
out? I started out as a
hairy Arab dude streaming from his
apartment who was in the middle of law
school. Who had
no one has ever seen my face anywhere do not compare me to
other communities do not compare this community to other communities because go and ask those
communities if we're just like them because we're not everyone knows we're fucking different
we are made of them because we're not everyone knows we're fucking different we are made of
something different we are not like any let i want to explain to you what this community is
just so it's clear because you seem to not understand it hasan piker trembles at the mention of us he trembles at the mention of us.
He trembles at the mention of us.
How many of us are there?
A few hundred?
A thousand max?
He has millions.
He trembles at our name.
When I had but a thousand followers,
all the biggest accounts were coming after me.
People I didn't even know,
but they knew who I was.
They saw the devotion.
They saw the belief. They saw the devotion. They saw the belief.
They saw the motivation.
They saw the energy
of a small community.
And they were scared.
Scared enough to find it necessary
to destroy my
reputation and crush me in my cradle and guess what they failed
and we're still fucking here and we're here because we're here thanks to no one else but us.
Excuse me for raising my voice.
Excuse me for raising my voice.
But you need to understand the honor that comes with being a part of this community
you need to understand the honor
the pride that comes with it this is what you don't understand
you shouldn't be asking the questions that you're asking which is how are you
going to go don't ask us the questions ask the question why are they so dedicated even now even still
why is there so much energy here why is there so much energy here?
Why is there so much dedication?
That's the question you should be asking.
And the reason you don't understand that is because you don't understand the honor and pride that comes with being in this community.
A community that has persevered against all odds, thanks to nothing, nothing but itself.
I can't think of a single example like that i can't think of a single example that compares i'm sorry i struggle i struggle to understand how we can be compared to
anyone else.
Because the first thing I said, the first thing I said, when I turned this camera on and when I hit that live button,
was that I'm 100% Stalinist and I'm 100% Maoist, and that I'm a Marxist Leninist and a communist with a capital C and I said it without flinching. I said it without compromising. And that's the hill I stood on and it will be the hill I die on. And I
said that with two viewers
and I'm saying it now.
And you
can imagine how that immediately
marginalized me. All
of my career opportunities to go to the young turks the door
is shut on me the daily wire the door is shut on me the door is shut on me for vice everything
everything credible and legitimate. Any mainstream
streamers who want to defend me, the door
is shut. I am marginal and ostracized.
I'm a totalitarian.
I'm in a fringe
cult.
But that's the message I died on
I insisted on from day one
and we've gotten this far
you need to understand and appreciate that in 2021
it was not normal to be a Stalinist.
It wasn't normal to rep Stalin directly.
Nobody was doing it.
It's commonplace now on Twitter among pan-leftists.
We pushed that overton window.
We did it.
Go ahead. i'll unmute you
okay
that diatribe over
it right destiny
started from nowhere
that's untrue that's fundamentally untrue
wasn't he just like a casino fucking person or...
Destiny was a professional e-sports player.
Okay. You're comparing that to...
You're saying that's akin to having political backing.
Is that what you're trying to say?
The minute he started getting involved in politics,
he was getting boosted and a ton of support from hegemonic forces,
getting coached, whatever,
to push back against the all right stuff immediately.
Okay, so your contention why
you're different by the way by the way you don't understand
this but Hassan Piker
came from Destiny and his community
on Twitch before Destiny there was no
progressivist politics culture
on Twitch at all Twitch was like
4chan it was the same thing as
4chan. He was able to grow.
He was able to grow because he had the backing of
because I don't want to mute you, but I want to get this.
Right. I'll meet you. Sure.
Because 4chan was pretty much this, sorry, Twitch was pretty much the same thing as 4chan. And when Destiny came onto the picture, all of the institutions, all of the media hegemony's, all these people who started seeing he was pushing back on it to put forward Democrat, whatever progressiveist politics.
He started getting glowing, glowing articles and all this kind of stuff. Backdoor, you know, sympathy, support, whatever, the full extent of which we don't even know fully, but he made a lot of connections by doing that, okay?
So much so, by the way, he created Hassan Piker, so that tells you all you need to know.
That was the context out of which Hassan Piker, so that tells you all you need to know. That was the context out of which Hassan Piker emerged, okay? But most importantly, you know, the element of this puzzle that you're
missing is that Destiny's position did not earn him the destruction of his character, his personality, his reputation.
He didn't get attacked by Psiops from the federal government or from NGOs.
He didn't have Katie Paul get his Twitch band for being a Kremlin disinformation agent
because he was saying all of the things that the hegemony wants to be said.
So, just like what he's doing now when it comes to Israel he's basically saying all the things that are going to earn him support from the people that are already in power so it's a very safe way to grow politically, to be very aggressive in defending the message of the hegemony and the status quo, because then who's going to come after you is only the extremists. Now, now it's less lucrative, obviously.
But at the time, it was an extremely lucrative way to start a political career.
And he already, by the way, had the authority in the cloud of being a professional e-sports player.
So it's a non-starter to make the
comparison,
actually.
Flacco,
what's up?
What's going
on?
So go ahead.
I'll unmute you.
Okay,
everything you said
you went through,
Nick went through
10 times worse,
and he's been able to survive. You know what? I'm going to push
back on that. I'm going to push back on that.
First of all, it's a non-starter.
Because of the origins I just mentioned
with the credibility
that came from the institutional form of American
Republican whatever conservatism okay I never had that I I I turned on the camera and started
praising Stalin immediately okay Okay. Second of all, those issues are not comparable to my issues, because my issues do not stem from real-life events in which there was atrocities or crimes
like Charlottesville for example
like before Charlottesville
no one from the alt-right was getting any
pushback on any
on any really really
I mean severe level
Charlottesville changed everything what Charlottesville on any really, really, I mean, severe level.
Charlottesville changed everything.
What Charlottesville justifies what's been done against me?
Did I, did we organize something like that?
And then someone came and drove a car and started running people over?
Nothing. Nothing. There's no real life violent event that i could be traced to or attached to that could justify that persecution
that's not to say i think the persecution is justified in itself.
I'm against censorship.
But it's not compared, the push, the hurdles that I've been, that have been thrown at me are not comparable.
Because all I have done, and moreover, it's even more incomparable, actually.
Because think about it.
They can't even use the excuse against me that I'm hateful.
Who am I hateful toward?
Even before we started pushing back on LGBT politics, I was treated in the same way as a neo-Nazi, but there was nothing I was saying that was racist, nothing I was saying that was bigoted, nothing I was saying that was talking about Jews or Hitler or anything.
So you know what? It's not comparable, actually. The level of persecution that we've faced, that I've faced, they didn't even have a proper excuse for themselves.
I'm not saying I agree with the excuses.
I'm just telling you, they didn't even have, they didn't even have to give an excuse
to crack down on a real capital C communist who's an actual communist they didn't have to have an excuse
go ahead on mute you okay but the outcome is the same you guys were both banned okay the
outcome cannot be the same if the premises
are different, right?
It literally is, though.
You guys
were both banned off of
all these different platforms. No, okay, okay,
okay, listen, listen. Let me explain
this to you carefully.
Square one,
you can't
compare them,
even if we went,
even if,
uh,
we went through
similar deep platformings
or even deep,
he has a way worse
when it comes
to deep platforming now.
But,
but,
but,
I agree. I agree. He is banned
off Twitter and I'm not.
Okay?
And Instagram. But here's the
difference. In order for him to have
acquired the fame that he did
to have gotten to that point, he already was given
initial boost that I was never, that I never had the opportunity to have. And that's the difference.
And I've been trying to explain that to you i never worked for the young turks or the daily
wire or something else i was never made into a credible personality that people listen to right
off the bat just because i'm hired by the right people and i work for the right media company.
Crow wipers got Destiny's dick and balls down they throat like catboy cammy.
Goofiest off white Nazi community.
Give me a break.
Boot this retard ass you cooked him.
Thank you for the donation.
Listen, I'm just going to explain it this way. We don't have to go into all this stuff. I'm just going to explain it this way, all right?
Authority and credit, just to get a foot in the door, people to respect you. That's literally everything. And I'm not saying everyone who has that will automatically be as successful or resilient as the people you're mentioning. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's a fundamental, it's a fundamental square one in premise you need to have.
There is no one who did what we did.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Nobody did what infrared did.
Literally nobody.
Nobody turned on the camera
with two or five viewers
right away said
Stalin is great or anything
with equivalent controversy
right off the bat
and got to the point that we got to.
That's all I'm trying to say.
No one has done that.
Literally no one.
Go ahead.
Hasn't Jackson done that?
Jackson is the same thing as us. What are you talking about?
Jackson is part of the infrared community. He has his own community, obviously, but it's not even comparable.
Even this community is also Jackson's.
This community is also backing and behind Jackson.
So what are you talking about?
Jackson, by the way, is in the same, is almost,
this is also Jackson's ability to grow as much as he did is part of the history of this community
as well. I met Jackson when he had 29,000 subscribers.
I'm not saying we're responsible for it.
I'm saying that his resilience,
his ability to do what he did was against all odds.
Right? It was against all odds. And moreover, our tasks are different. We do different things. There's a different division of labor going on.
So I don't even know what you're talking about.
So let me get this straight.
You're saying Nick Fuentes getting boosted by Ben Shapiro is so significant that that is the reason why he's as big as he is today. That's what you're saying.
No, I'm saying that that makes both of our communities and it makes us
uncomparable because I never had anything like that.
One thing.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
One thing that boosts, that gives you a boost right away, that makes you a credible authority right away.
Yeah, I never had that.
I had to build, I had to earn everything just by myself.
That's it.
No one ever came and intervened on my behalf to say this guy is credible.
Do you understand what this is?
No one did that for me.
Do you know how much of a difference that makes?
When someone who is already authoritative and has legitimacy points at you and says, this person
is credible, do you know that's literally what makes or breaks everything?
I had, not only did I not have that, I had the opposite. I had the opposite. There is
no institution. There is no organization. There are no major personalities. Nothing, nothing,
nothing vouched for me. Nothing vouched for me. The only thing that vouched for infrared is infrared itself.
So we are in, you cannot compare us to anyone else.
Okay.
Okay.
Which goes back to my original point.
Like, you didn't have people corral it around you because the communist message is not attractive.
Okay, because I'm not a fucking cock sucker and I believe what I say because it's true, not because people in power agree with me.
That's fucking why.
So, so, or it's just
not attractive, like what, you
do you think people in power agree with Nick Fuentes
saying he loves Hitler the fuck?
Like, do you think people in power agree with not?
Dude, we're running in circles. Did he start his
career saying he loves Hitler?
You're telling me I should have tailored my message to what people want to hear instead of what I think is true.
Sorry, no.
Now, I'm not even saying that's the case for him.
Maybe he genuinely changed his beliefs in the way that he did
but it doesn't matter either way because he had the benefit that i didn't have i i wasn't
always a communist but i was i've been a communist since i was 13 years old 14 years old I've been I've been I've been I've been reping that since I was 14
I remember you saying you started as a leftist doesn't matter I've been reping Marxism since 14
The word Marxism
since I was 14 years old.
And by the way, it was
worse back then. Back when I was
14 years old,
there weren't even any fake Marxists
that were big. There was
no Hassan. There was no Vosch. There was no Hassan. There was no
Vosch. There was no DSA.
There was no AOC.
There was no Bernie Sanders.
You know how fringe Marxism was back then?
It was even more fringe than neo-Nazism.
Even neo-Nazism was like way
bigger. It was like way bigger.
It was totally a joke.
Jason Unruh was the only one.
You know Jason Unru? Do you know who that is?
He was the only one when I was a Marxist
on the internet, who was big.
Dude, are're trying to say Marxism is more
attacked than Naziism now
all right bro that's kind of wow
1,000%
Marxism has been more
subverted, attacked and maligned by the government,
by the hegemony than neo-Nazism in America.
Yeah, is that because they already defeated Nazis and they, like, Russia is an economic power
So in the same way how they know that's because they appointed that's because they appointed Nazis to be the head of NATO
In the same way how they go against Iran not because Iran is Muslim because they do business with Saudi Arabia
They go after these countries because they're business with Saudi Arabia. They go after these countries
because they're regional economic
powers who could pose a threat to the
U.S. hegemony. It's not because
the U.S. has never
fought as aggressively
it has against anything except
communism. No, because it's Russia and it's as aggressively it has against anything except communism?
No, because it's Russia
and it's China. Two regional
fucking potential
superpowers. Do you know what
the FBI is? Yes.
What's the origin of the FBI?
Why was it created?
You're going to say to contain the communist threat.
That's correct.
Before the, before communism, there was no FBI.
Before the government perceived a communist threat, before the ruling class perceived a communist threat threat we didn't even have an FBI so yes there is nothing nothing nothing the US government has fought as aggressively as has it as it has fought communism nothing nothing compares yeah but it's not because
of communism yes it is
it's because
yes it is oh
economic
fucking disputes take presidents so it's
because communism so it's because
communism so it's because communism
so it's because communism. So it's because communism.
Dude, the United States will attack anyone who represents,
dude,
that's why it went up to Libya, Gaddafi,
a different economic order.
Gaddafi was a socialist who was funded by the USSR and would not have existed without the USSR.
Next question.
Okay, so you agree it's because of economic realities that these...
Communism is an economic phenomena.
It's a class war, dude.
What do you think communism is?
Just an ideal?
Dude.
But the point is they're going after these countries
not be, they just happen to be
communists.
If they were anything else.
No, no, they don't just,
that's where you get it wrong.
It's not a coincidence that they were communist.
That's what you're not understanding.
It's absolutely not a coincidence these were communist countries.
There's a reason they were communist.
There's a reason people who challenged the status quo
successfully were communist
that's what you don't get
there is a reason for that dude
what's the reason
the reason is actually
superficial it's because communists
create a
dictatorship of the proletariat
which undermines
the interests of the international capitalist
class and fights against those interests
by defending the sovereignty of their own
countries on the basis of the creation
of sovereign proletarian dictatorships which take the resources of the country and put it in the hands
of the common interest instead of the international capitalist class.
Okay, so, so Hitler and the West went after him.
Okay, cool story.
When, when, at what point did the West go after Hitler?
Please, let's do a history lesson.
So, so World War II wasn't a thing according to you?
What was the year they, what was the year they went after Hitler can you name it
they went to war in 1939
when did Hitler come to power
1933
when did Hitler acquire political significance in Germany
bro it doesn't matter the whole name it name it When did Hitler acquire political significance in Germany?
Bro, it doesn't matter.
The whole world decided to go against it. Name it. Name the year. Name the year. Name the year, you think. Was it the Beer Hall pushed? Just name it. Anything.
1931? Okay. You're saying 1931. Sure. Okay. Let's work with with that what did the west do to confront hitler
before 1939 okay you're gonna say they appeased them they didn't no i'm asking you what they
did to confront him before 1939. Go ahead.
Okay.
Dude, that doesn't negate
the fact that
they went to war
within.
You understand
that, right?
I'm asking you
what they did
to confront Hitler
before 1939.
They're going to just randomly start a war.
All right.
We can move on to another question.
When did the communists take power in Russia?
Bro, you're the communists.
You give me the history lesson.
Bolshevik Revolution?
Do you know the year?
1917.
That was the year that the Allies invaded Russia and started funding the White Army and doing everything in their power to overthrow the Bolshevik government. That was the same year.
It happened right away.
1918 was the official invasion, but before then, right within the few months,
they started mobilizing to destroy the Bolshevik government through their agents and funding the white army and organizing it.
Right away, Hitler takes power in 33. Nothing happens to him.
You're dancing around the fact that...
I'm not dancing around anything, sir.
Hitler had a revolution of the proletariat, as you put it, and the whole Western Hemisphere decided to crush Nazism.
How exactly did Hitler have a proletarian revolution, as I would put it?
Did he not nationalize?
Nothing. Not a single thing. Nothing. As a matter of fact, he privatized everything.
Not only did he not nationalize, he empowered the industrial cartels that were created by Wall Street to pay debts, to continue paying debts to to the Bank of International Settlements.
So, to such a profound degree that even during the height of the war, World War II, Wall Street executives were sitting on the board of IG Farben and the major German industrial cartels.
That's how
private
they were.
They weren't
just private
in terms of
private German
capitalists.
They were
literally controlled
by international
private capital,
even during
World War II.
Okay. So, even... okay so even if that's all true right the whole western hemisphere still went against
hitler like they how happened that was let's talk about the war if you don't want to talk about
examples that destroy your point in your argument but let's talk about it doesn't though
it doesn't though because okay then explain why they would go to war with hitler if if he was
somehow an agent of the
British, explain that.
Why did they wait till
1939? Why did they do nothing
to stop? Why did they even help him
before then?
So you're saying
because Germany had economic realities so you're saying because
Germany had economic realities that involved the
existing financial capital monopoly
I'll actually explain everything for you okay
okay
Germany Germany invades Czechs Germany invades Czechs,
Germany invades Czechoslovakia.
What does he do?
Go ahead.
He takes all the gold.
Who helps him transfer the gold?
The Bank of England.
They approve of the transfer of all the gold
from Czechslovakia, and the Nazis of England. They approve of the transfer of all the gold from Czechs,
Slovakia, and the Nazis took it. When the Nazis invaded Eastern Europe, what were they doing?
What do you talk, bro? Sorry? I said, I'm letting you talk, bro. Okay. Would you agree the primary target of the Nazis was Eastern Europe and Russia?
Yeah, I would agree with that.
You would agree that's where the majority of the fighting happened, the majority of the mobilization of troops was happening, right?
Because France wasn't really a fight, was it?
Yeah. Okay.
So until 1941,
when the Soviet Union gets involved,
in what way were the English actually
fighting the Nazis? Were they
sending a huge bunch of troops
into Eastern Europe and undermining Nazi activities there to a huge significant extent?
Where was the majority of the fighting table?
So, okay, Haas, Haas.
And off of this fucking obfuscation, what do you think the British rule was with...
I'll explain it to you exactly
just explain it right now because
the British could not fully control Eastern Europe politically
and had to maintain the veneer of diplomatic relations
and ties to these various countries like Poland and others
they couldn't exactly do what they wanted and ties to these various countries like Poland and others,
they couldn't exactly do what they wanted to do,
which was loot all of the wealth and the gold from Eastern Europe,
transfer it to themselves, in part so they could pay the Americans back for their debt during World War II,
but mainly so they could
reorder the European and consolidate the European continent as a whole, because they undermine
Germany's control of it after World War II, and they wanted to take that control, but didn't
have the means to do it. So Hitler was sent there to completely cause devastation,
wreck havoc, and completely caused death
and destruction. Meanwhile, the
British, who had treaty
obligations to defend Poland
and other countries, for example, didn't really
lift much of a finger to stop Hitler's
eastward activities
or encroachments, up until
and he invaded the USSR
and not a
single point during that war after he
invaded the USSR, did the West
Dane to open up a second front.
If they were interested in confront,
if the whole Western Hemisphere was united against Hitler,
they would have opened up a second front,
which is what Stalin repeatedly told Churchill and Roosevelt to do over and over again.
They teamed up in Stalin.
Don't forget that.
No, no, no.
They did not do that because they didn't open a second front.
That's why the Soviets bore the entire brunt of the actual war.
And the skirmishes, which is what they were.
And a German officer
as the way they describe
the battles they had
with the English
are fundamentally different
from how they do
with the Soviets
because that was a gentleman
that was a gentleman's squabble
that wasn't a fucking war
your position is that Hitler
was a British agent.
Why didn't Hitler invade England?
Because Hitler...
He had the means to do it.
Hold on.
He had the means to land troops on England, invaded and take it.
He didn't dare
do that. Why didn't he do it? He was
writing letters to Stalin
before Operation Barbarossa
making a million different
excuses about why he can't do it.
He did not view the British as his
enemy. Okay, he...
Okay. There we go.
Thank you.
Thank you.
He did not view the British as his enemy because they weren't his enemy.
His enemy were the Bolsheviks.
The British people were not his enemy.
The British ruling class, sure. They, he...
So what, what is it? Was everyone in Eastern Europe and, uh, Russia Hitler's enemy?
The people? Have you not read fucking Hitler's writings? He viewed the British as like
a cousin of Germany. So he viewed them
I agree, you're right. You're right. So we agree.
Yeah. The whole Western Hemisphere didn't unite against Hitler because they
weren't enemies. But that doesn't mean that the ruling
like the ruling that Hitler was like that the ruling like the ruling,
that Hitler was like an agent
of the British ruling class.
He,
his reservation to go to war with three.
He demonstrably was in the
most accurate
definition of the word agent.
He was,
he was literally an agent
of their interests and fulfilling and carrying out their
interests in continental Europe to the point where after the phony Nazi regime collapses,
the Western power swoop in, retain all of the infrastructure created by it,
retain the military apparatus of coercion and control,
retain its economic structures,
retain all the concentrations of gold that it had looted,
and funneled them into international offshore banks
to finance the Cold War and there you have the history of the whole damn thing so
Hitler inherited an economic system that pre-existed prior to him.
Like that does not mean...
He didn't just inherit it.
He bolstered it, strengthen it, and provided the mechanism of political
dictatorship, which democracy
could not do so that its interests could be fulfilled
better than it was before.
Germany's economy was created by
Wall Street. This is some revisionist
history. No, it's not. Germany's major
industrial cartels were venture
capitalist enterprises
created by Wall Street
in the late 20s.
And to help, to help pay off the debt.
Stalin, Russia had no
economic benefit.
They didn't receive economic aid from the West
at all during the war.
None of that happened, right? According to
you. It was very minuscule
and insignificant.
So, so wouldn't
that, wouldn't Stalin count more as
an agent because he actually legitimately, like,
received aid to fight Hitler, to crush
Hitler? Like, that actually happened, right? Like, that was, it was legitimately like received aid to fight Hitler to crush Hitler like
that actually happened right
like that was it was it was such a small
and negligible amount it's not even
worth mentioning
bro like the fact that you are dying on this
hill that Hitler was an agent of the British is just like, it's just...
I think you cannot, can I, um, provide a hypothesis of why you're dying on this hill?
I prevented you a lot of facts that clearly point in the direction of this being a very reasonable and even correct perspective.
But the reason that you're not willing to accept it is because it's not credible on an authoritative level within the community that you're a part of.
It's not-
Buzz, man. You're still on about that It's not... Dude, that buzz, man.
You're still on about that shit, bro.
Let me, let me mute you.
You're like...
Bro, none of the boys say that shit.
If I said that to the boys,
I get clowned on.
That's not something we say, dude.
We don't say that, dude.
It's not like a popular take dude
I didn't ask you if it's popular
I asked you if it was true or not
we're debating it on the merits of truth or falsehood
not on the merits of whether it's politically convenient
to you and whatever telegram
or whatever group chat you're in. I don't really care.
I'm not saying that it's a, it's like, this is what the boys are saying. I don't care what they're fucking saying. Those people are a bunch of fucking idiots. That's why they don't get in my VC and debate me because I would floor any one of them.
So let's be clear.
Go ahead.
No.
Okay, first of all, what you're saying just doesn't make sense.
Like, just look at it, look at it freaking logically.
How was,
like,
how is the British and the West
going to war against Hitler?
How does that,
how is it,
how in your convoluted mind
does it prove that Hitler is an agent?
It just doesn't like reality
BTFOs you.
That itself, by itself,
is not what proves that he's an agent.
What proves that he was an agent is he was being backed
by Royal Dutch Shell as early as the 1920s.
What proves that he was an agent
is that Germany was continuing to pay
back its loans to the Bank of International settlements well into the 1940s. What proves that he was an
agent actually is that German capitalists and industrialists are actually the ones that are behind
his rise to power,
and they were fundamentally tied to Wall Street and Anglo-American interests,
specifically Anglo-interest, if we're being honest.
What proves that he was an agent is that the British royal family itself
were open admirers of Adolf Hiller, as long with the rest of the British aristocracy
and the ruling class. What proves that he was a British agent is that he fulfilled all of the
aims that British wanted to fulfill, but couldn't directly do for reasons of geopolitical
and political convenience. What proves that he's a British agent is
all the gold that he looted was transferred into an international network, shadow network of
British banks, offshore banks used to finance the Cold War to try and destroy communism.
What proves that he was an agent of the British is that his fundamental mission, and this was in Mind Kampf, was to destroy the first proletarian dictatorship in the history of mankind, where for the first time the exploited and the oppressed were in charge over the oppressors and the exploiters.
These are the things that prove it. As for how that can be reconciled with the fact that Britain and America were at war with Germany on a formal level, we need to look at what they were actually doing during that war and whether what their actions reflected a genuine opposition to Hitler's plans, or whether it was just maintaining a veneer to reap the benefits of everything Hitler does in the aftermath, preferably that he
destroys the USSR, then swoop
in and fix things how they wish
to it. To be clear, I don't
think in the long term
the British
wanted Hitler to be in power forever.
They saw him as a retarded clown,
that they wanted to use him in the short term,
that he's a patchy,
and they're going to discard him after he does the dirty work
they want him to do.
To be clear.
Go ahead.
So your position is
just because capitalists do capitalist things,
therefore Hitler is an agent.
Yeah, that's it.
That's all it is.
United States,
doesn't the United States
still buy fucking
shit from Russia
does that mean the Russia is
but I'm not limiting
the accusation is not
the accusation is not founded upon
the mere fact that
there's economic relationships of trade
going on.
That's literally your whole point.
Capitalists do capital.
Okay, well look, I'm not
going to insult my audience by repeating myself.
I advise you to
after the stream is done,
remember this exact
time stamp and go back about 35
seconds and you will see very
clearly that the things I mentioned
are not about trade between
different countries.
But go ahead.
So Hitler, Hitler wanting to do certain things to but but go ahead so so hitler
Hitler wanting to do certain things
to maintain his country's economic
standing within the existing powers
somehow but how does it set of it pragmatism
yeah yeah
no no I just have one question
why didn't he wipe out
all the debt
if that was his goal
if his goal was to
look out for Germany's
best economic interest
I mean in his writings
did he not plan to do
a lot of those things
did he do them to do a lot of those things?
Did he do them or no?
I mean, like, he had to contend with a... He had an idea that war was coming, so he had to, you know, he had other priorities, but that was...
How does it make sense
to continue paying debt to your
so-called enemies while you're fighting
them?
Because
of deals, because of how the economy works.
Dude, he can't just decide. works. He can't just decide.
Dude, he can't just decide to just say,
all right, fuck everything else.
Like, I'm just going to do my own thing.
But that's what the Bolsheviks did.
But the Bolsheviks did that.
No, they didn't.
The Bolshevik were still
doing business with the West.
On day one of the revolution, the Bolsheviks literally canceled all foreign debt, like right away overnight.
Hitler couldn't even...
Stores?
Look it up. Hitler couldn't even... Schwarz? Look it up.
Hitler couldn't even
nationalize a single one of these venture capitalist cartels.
He couldn't even forgive a fraction of the debt,
wipe out a fraction of it.
They continued paying all of it.
Isn't that crazy?
And the Bolsheviks just overnight just said, yeah, we're not going to pay shit back to France or anyone.
You're fucked.
Fuck you.
And they took over everything, by the way.
All the oil that was controlled by the British, all the natural resources that all these international capitalist control, they just took it, like, right away overnight.
If I just say, fuck the West, I'm just going to, like, do my own thing.
But the Bolsheviks did it.
Why couldn't he do it?
Bro, because the Bolsheviks was not as advanced economically.
But they beat him in war.
But they beat him in war.
Yeah, because the whole world went against Hitler.
Like, everyone went
against this one guy. How is it
that the reason...
So you're attributing the Bolshevik
victory because Britain
and America decided to barely get involved?
Hitler made some military blunders for sure.
No, no. Let's be clear.
The Bolsheviks were the victors, and he was the loser.
And that's the simple fact.
Oh, my God, dude.
Okay, let's move back to the current topic
right
let's move back
because you just lost that dude
like you
you really think it was an agent
like that's just funny to me
bro bro you got the whole squad in my think Hitler was an agent. Like, that's just funny to me. Bro, bro,
you got the whole squad
in my group chat.
Bro, you got the whole squad
in my group chat laughing at that.
Are you kidding?
Are you kidding?
That wasn't approved by the authority.
Hitler was an agent of the British.
That's just like not a thing we say, dude.
It's like totally not the vibe.
That's just like totally not something we say amongst ourselves.
Therefore, it's such a ridiculous thing to say because it's just totally not something
we believe. Never mind why we believe it or don't believe it. It's just totally not something we say.
Therefore, I'm going to laugh nervously.
But do you have an argument go ahead
dude i just gave you like 10 arguments
sure but i of why it would be the pragmatic
position for a state leader to work with
the global fucking economic
situation. How could
it have been pragmatic if he lost in the end?
That's the question.
I mean,
that wasn't,
HALO wasn't betting on losing, right? He was planning to win. But he did lose, right? It doesn't matter what wasn't betting on losing right
he was planning but he did lose right
it doesn't matter what he's betting on
you're retrospectively looking back and saying
oh he should have done this but from Hitler's
vantage point he like he did what he thought
was best
sorry you're claiming that
Hitler did these things, not
because he was beholden to the interests
of the German ruling class
and the international ruling class,
but because he believed
it was pragmatic.
I just find that
hard to fathom because
how from any rational perspective
can someone conclude those were pragmatic
decisions?
How is it pragmatic to continue paying
debt to your enemies that you're fighting
a so-called war of annihilation with.
What?
Dude, the United States is against Russia, but doesn't Russia still do business with the United States?
Like, what do you talk?
Well, there are economic realities.
Like you said, it wasn't even like a
I can promise you something if Russia
and the U.S. went to war Russia would not be paying
debts to anyone in the U.S. ever
Okay but when Hitler
was doing all those economic
dealings they were not
dealings they were not dealings they were not
they were not
it was the
it was the
continuation
it was the continuation
of the
it was a continuation
it was a continuation of the policy
of the
financial rape
of Germany
after World War
1 that he was
continuing which he by the financial rape of Germany after World War I that he was continuing.
You know why I know it wasn't pragmatic?
Because he promised the contrary.
The Nazis promised they're going to nationalize everything.
They're going to cancel all the debt.
That was their campaign platform.
So was he just, that was just pragmatic
too, just the lie. I mean, he, dude, he definitely did some shit, bro. Like, yeah, he did some
shit and it was all gay.
That's the shit he was doing.
Dude, how's your funny, man?
Oh, my God.
He was definitely doing some stuff with Ernest Rom and whatever,
but I don't know what...
That's besides the point.
Wait, you think you think
the communists weren't gay, bro?
I know they weren't.
Yes, they were, bro.
Okay.
Well, look, you can believe whatever you want, but the truth is you have no argument
about the facts
of the matter. I gave you 10 arguments.
You're just saying, nope, nope, he's still an agent.
Why didn't he do this? Why did he do that?
Why didn't he act in a...
Okay, that's like saying, why doesn't Trump
do this, this or that? No, no, I do say saying, why doesn't Trump do this, this, or that?
No, no, I do say that. I do say that. Why doesn't Trump do this?
I want him to. There are economic
realities that like, no, there aren't. That's fake and made up. That's just
fake and made up. You can learn. How's it fake and made up, bro?
Because the Bolsheviks literally just did it.
No, they did it, bro.
Yeah, they straight up did.
It's actually that easy to do it.
If you have the working class and the masses behind you,
you can literally do anything you want.
Yeah, but the Bolsheviks started
at a completely...
Dude, the Bolsheviks...
They started in a way worse position.
You're right.
They started an agrarian society.
A way worse position.
You're right.
They started in a way worse position.
So they made it
a lot harder for
them to do
what they did.
They were not as
clamped down
with the
economic realities
of Germany.
What are you talking
about?
If the Bolsheviks
had a fraction
of what Germany
had,
they would have
done what they
did without any
of the trouble.
I mean, it's easy to say that. It was harder.
It was harder for them to do what they did.
I mean, you could just say that right now, right?
Yeah. Yeah, because it's true.
Though it isn't.
And if the Bolsheviks were
had if Stalin or
the fucking they inherited
the same economic conditions
that Germany had they would still have to
play ball with the West
not only would they not play ball with the West
they would have popped that ball like a balloon and literally suffocated the queen and king of England to death with it and their children with that ball.
They would have probably conquered the entire fucking world and we would have been living in communism.
Now Stalin is at Troskius, right?
I'm not saying
it directly. They would have invaded the world, but
I mean, probably Europe. Yeah, we've,
if the Bolshev revolution happened in Germany,
we would be living in communism
right now.
Yes, yes, we would. We would be living under
a communist dictatorship right now.
And just none of this would exist. I wouldn't even
exist as a streamer. I would probably be...
Thoughts on China being the fascist Hitler-wed dream?
Yeah, that's what Keith Wood said, and he's your authority,
so I understand why you believe that.
That's just not true.
That's just common sense.
It's definitely not common sense
China is a
freaking ethno
nationalist
state
that puts the interest of the collective
over the economic interest of the collective
over corporations.
Yeah, China's an eth... It's not only,
it's not only a nation state,
but it's an ethno nation state.
Are they not like 98% Han Chinese?
No.
Okay, but like their majority Chinese.
But see, you're really underselling that 10% because there's over a billion people. So put that 10% in perspective. That's 100 million people. That's more than the population of major nation states today.
Hey, but there's still a majority
homogeneous population.
That's not really true because the Han ethnicity is formed by a continual just argue against reality
and your audience eats it up I have to mute the wild animal all right he's not very professional
the reason that's a misleading characterization is because the Han ethnicity is not based on ethnic exclusivity. It's actually based on the continual integration of ethnic minorities and the assimilation of different economic minorities at the periphery, and this long-term process
is what has produced the Han as a unique ethnicity. It's not an ethnicity that was formed on the
basis of excluding others, asserting an identity to the exclusion of all others all it means to be
han is to be sufficiently urbanized within the chinese civilization where everyone more or less
speaks han chinese but when that's all you speak and you're fully,
fully, let's call it socialized or urbanized,
that's just, you're just part of the Han now.
And at no point does everyone become Han because they maintain a position of continual
recognition of others who are different, suspended in a continual state of interactivity and mutual recognition with them
and it's precisely this process that creates proper integration and assimilation because eventually
you know people by their own will and according to their own conditions
assimilate
not forced to
it's just a process of Chinese civilization
the Han
are not a tribe
the Han is not some parochial
ethnic identity Han identity is an ethnicity, it's an ethnogenesis, formed on the basis of mutual interaction between different peoples united by one empire and civilization. The same thing is true for the Russians.
So what you're talking about is nonsense, actually.
China is not.
First of all, before we talk about whether China is fascist,
the notion that it's an ethno state is just ridiculous.
Because Han as an ethnicity, first of all, even if we neglect the over 100 million non-Haan people, Han as an ethnicity, is not the same as the Aryan or racial identity that the Germans or the Italians or whatever were trying to construct for themselves.
Go ahead.
That whole Aryan thing, wasn't that like Western propaganda?
No, the Nazi swastika was based on the notion that this is an ancient Aryan symbol.
Did Hitler actually consider them to be superiored?
I haven't read Minecraft or anything.
Hitler believed that because the West industrialized before the rest of the world, that this...
Within the Nazis
army, there were like different ethnicities
know?
Right, but they were never like
integrated into German society and
given equal rights and given the right to become
Germans. So they
were just used as attack dogs.
So wait, Haas, why are you against fascism in terms of concrete, like, in terms of
economic solutions, like, it offers economic solutions that benefit
the working class.
No? No, it doesn't.
How not?
Because all fascism does
is maintain existing monopoly capital
and enforces the...
Let's say Hitler...
First of all, I don't really believe
you saying Hitler never tried to
nationalize various different...
He didn't. Let's say Hitler did plan to do that.
Would you then have a problem with him still?
So let's say Hitler was SpongeBob SquarePants, a completely different person?
Why do you'd say some shit like that?
Because you're saying, you're talking about a different person.
That way he wouldn't be Hitler then
he may as well be SpongeBob Squarepants then
oh my God dude
so you're not going to take his writings
like his personal writings
as indicative of his position
or worldview.
No, I focus on what he did, not what he said.
Okay, so I guess, uh, I guess fuck Marx then.
Fuck all you.
What the Marx do, sit down fat as fuck?
And die?
Like, what the hell?
Ah, yeah, because Marx's a great thinker.
And most who'd call him a philosopher, he would reject that label.
That Marx didn't pretend to be a fucking political leader, you idiot.
Hitler, that's all Hitler had going for him, was claiming to be a leader.
So what a stupid-ass argument you're making.
Yeah, so you should use Hitler's writings because...
But Hitler wasn't a theorist or an intellectual.
That's not what he's known for.
He's known for what he actually did.
His writings actually were just him saying,
yeah, I should take charge and be whatever
okay so what did you do when you took charge
um
he went against the whole world
no no he didn't
the greatest economic comeback in
the 20th century.
That's what Hitler did.
First of all, that economic comeback you're talking about was all based on debt.
It was all based on foreign credit.
And it was all based on the artificial propping up of the military
industrial complex, meaning the only
way it could be paid off is by
paying the debt that it was borrowed on
and the interest through
looting Eastern Europe to pay for all
of it. So, no, it wasn't
a great economic comeback. It was a short-term bubble
that they were banking on could be, they could avoid the bubble popping by looting all
the resources of Eastern Europe and taking it over.
So you're wrong about that.
The so-called economic mirror.
I mean, every single accomplishment attributed to Hitler was from the Weimar era.
The Autobahn was already being planned by the Weimar government before Hitler took power, for example.
So what did he really accomplish, actually?
What? The Weimar era?
Yes, the Weimar
government.
The Hitler's...
The Treaty of Versailles... Okay, okay. Hitler's Treaty of Versaile Okay
okay
Hitler
Hitler's government
is just
the Weimar
government
plus terrorism
and
military
adventurism
and obviously
genocide and stuff
whatever
but that's literally it it's it's in terms of economic policy
there was just huge continuity and hitler took power to maintain that continuity actually
no he didn't hitler industrialized just like napoleon no he did not
industrialized when you're facing
when you're facing a hostile
uh western
fucking enemies you have to
prioritize military but they weren't
hostile they weren't hostile they didn't do a damn
thing they didn't do a damn thing.
They didn't lift a finger against him until he invaded Poland.
And that was just officially they lifted a finger.
They didn't send troops to Poland. This is history, bro.
Like, dude, I don't agree with your retelling of things, bro.
I know you don't. You don't agree with me because I don't have with your retelling of things. I know you don't.
You don't agree with me because I don't have enough clout to make the impression.
That's not it, bro.
I don't care about fucking clout, man.
If I had 6,000 viewers right now, you would agree with me.
You don't agree with me because I don't have enough authority.
Okay, I think you have
way better positions than Destiny and Hassan. Like, what the hell? Right. And they have more
clout than you. I don't give a shit about clout, bro. Right, but
the community that you're loyal to, whichever one it is,
you're loyal to it because it has is, you're loyal to it, because
it has the clout. I just think a lot of your, I think
a lot of your critiques, especially about, like, Hitler
is just like disingenuous. It's just like... Yeah, because you're part, you're
part of an online... It feels like you're on the sports team.
You're like, oh, Stalin, good, Hitler, bad.
You're... You're... You're... You're like, oh, Stalin, good, Hitler, bad. You're, you're, you're, you're part of a political community where the, saying that I'm better
than Hassan and destiny, it's credible. But it's, but it's not an independent opinion you're forming that's the difference
that's that's independent i do my own analysis
no you don't because i've seen you the conclusions you've come to that are similar to
some of my conclusions i've decided that you're better than
You can I ask you a question? Why are you a white nationalist if you're Mexican? I'm not a white
nationalist I'm not I don't even ascribe to any of these political
You see how I knew you were Mexican? I'm not Mexican though though. Well, you're a Latino, right? No. Yeah, you are.
Oh, I'm not. What are you, Hawaiian? Okay, don't worry about it. No, you're okay. Why is that relevant to the conversation?
Why is that relevant to the conversation why is that relevant to the conversation though because why are you into this dumb ass shit
if you're literally a Latino
I'm I'm into the truth
I care about the truth and like
I want a nuanced perspective
on things.
Your perspective is just literally...
We know it's...
Listen, listen, we've exhausted the conversation enough to know it's not about truth.
It's not about facts.
It literally is about truth.
So there's some other reason that's drawing you to this nonsense and I don't get what it is.
Because why are you like
so
I don't know bro
so paranoid bro
I'm not paranoid I'm just saying
like yes you are then
I'm just having a conversation with you
you're like oh there's an ulterior motive
like there's I'm not saying that's with you. You're like, oh, there's an ulterior motive.
Like, there's, like, I'm not saying, that's not paranoia.
I think there's a diagnosis going on because you're Mexican and you're literally following white nationalists.
Why?
I'm not, bro.
I'm literally looking at the reality of things.
See, that, that's a pathology on you.
Like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're fucking
Middle Eastern, like, because I don't, I don't need to be middle Eastern.
Because my, my, my enemies claim that I'm half German.
So I can pretend to be
you have a class worldview so in your eyes you're like
oh I don't want these Nazis to look down on me
they're not better than me so like I can pass
I can pass to you hold on I can
but I can pass as white because my enemies claim I'm half German and my name is Adam.
So why would I need...
I don't need to be Arab.
I can pass...
I can pretend to be half German.
That's literally what people say about me.
But, but, Haas, will you admit that, like, a lot of your movement is based off of, like, people who just hate white, other white people because they view them as thinking they're better than them.
It comes to...
No, because most of my movement is white.
Okay, I don't know how to come to that.
It's just that we don't exclude others so we get everyone else too.
But like, it's mainly white people.
It's like probably like 50% white or 60% white.
I don't know.
But, you know, we just don't exclude others so everyone joins in.
But like, you don't understand that there's a bunch of white people here, dude.
You're like, I don't, dude, I just, a lot of your critiques feels like they come from a place of like, like, you.
Right, right.
But, but like 60% of my community is white and you're Mexican.
So what are you talking about?
Yeah, but this whole idea that you're trying to say, oh, I have an ulterior motive and I somehow
I review these authorities.
I just, I don't understand why, if you're brown or whatever, why are you
like so into this dumb shit if it's clearly not because of facts. Okay, so no, dude, the facts
are not with you, buddy. But they are. They definitely are, bro. They definitely are. They definitely are. They are. They definitely are, bro. They definitely are.
They definitely are.
The whole squad.
Bro, you don't understand.
The gang don't agree with this stuff, man.
You can't say that shit around them.
They're going to say, no, you you're wrong because we want to believe.
I mean, why do you want to believe the things you believe?
And it's clearly you desire to believe in them.
It's a fact. It's just a fact.
Okay, what's the fact? Can you tell us the fact
so we can judge it?
You're the one sitting here saying
Hitler was an agent of the British like ask any credible
historian like they laugh at that bro like okay the
credible the credible the credible
bring the credible historian here to laugh at me and let me ask
him then.
Like, bro, dude,
you actually believe that?
Yeah, I'm actually a Stalinist.
You know that? Like, I'm actually a communist.
Like, the real thing.
Yeah.
Like, it's a real thing.
Bro, the whole...
This is a larp, bro.
Bro, the group chat? They're not having none of this. The group chat're not having none of this
the group chat
ain't having none of this
what
that's not what the guy with
a million followers said
what are you talking about
that's not what this
that's not what my authority leader said
what are you talking about that's not credible this, that's not what my authority leader said. What are you talking about?
That's not credible.
Dude, you don't even get money from billionaires.
What the hell?
You have a position that's like not based on billionaires throwing money at you?
What in the world?
I know you feel the...
What the hell?
You don't get support from like all these institutions and...
I know you feel the need to live your life under like some guidance by some father figure like Stalin.
But it's okay, bro.
You can just like bro you can just like
you can just be a real motherfucker
and just analyze the situation without
just
these petty fucking
grievances bro
like let's just look at
what grievances do you imagine I have
I just feel like you just have this you have this
hierarchical class mindset where it's like if you my my personal my personal class position is
totally fine if i if i i don't any personal, I don't have any personal
class grievances at all. I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I can go back to law school anytime I want
and just be a lawyer, dude. I'm fine. Dude, how's, I, I, I, I understand your psychology, bro, like,
all right. It's just
I don't know
But you're not
You're not exhibiting any understanding
I literally do
Like I probably understand you better than you understand yourself
I'm gonna be honest
So
Um That's that's fine But how is it I'm gonna be honest. So, um,
that's,
that's fine,
but,
but how is that relevant when you can't show anything for it?
No,
because it's just like a lot of your,
like,
a lot of your positions,
it's just like,
it doesn't,
it doesn't come from somewhere that's like
authentic bro
I don't know
like how can you sit here and say
Hitler was an agent of the British
I think that's interesting
you don't think my positions
are authentic
no I think I think you believe them
but I think like
what informs or it like makes you get to those beliefs or choose this worldview is just, like, just based on, like, fucking some weird hierarchical.
Like, belief?
Like, belief, right? I actually believe it. Dude. like belief like belief right
I actually believe it
dude but you
you you think that I have some
ulterior motive like you've just been projecting
on me this whole time
like I
I'm gonna mute you because I don't want to deal of this but um no it's just that I've been talking to you for hours and I feel like we're kind of looping when it comes to understanding why your position is incorrect using reason.
That's why we're looping is because I've explained it to you many times.
So after, now that we've done that, you know, now that we've actually exhausted, like, actual, my ability to communicate with you in terms of making rational arguments.
Now I'm perplexed and wonder, like, okay, it's clear that you're part of some political
community where there's an authority figure you respect more than me because that figure
has more credibility based on... figure, you respect more than me because that figure has
more credibility based on
being legitimized
by other forces
having a head
so it can be many things.
But it's just the fact.
Now what I'm interested in is why
why that community did you
I mean it's it clearly
I don't I'm not asking why you're not part of
infrared
infrared is not for sheep it's for shepherds
the people that come to infrared are people who are not easily swayed. They're people who have to think for themselves, who have to engage in critical thinking, who have to form opinions based on what they think, and they're people
who are loyal to me because they choose to be. They make a real sovereign decision to be loyal to
Haas, based on conclusions they draw independently themselves for reasons that are accountable to
themselves. And I don't think you fit the personality of someone who's a leader.
I think you're more of a follower.
So I understand why you're not part of this community.
But of all the other communities you could have chosen,
of all the other shepherds you could have allowed to sheep you why is it that you're
in the far right one if you're mexican that's all i wanted to ask you and it wasn't a loaded
question it wasn't like i wasn't it wasn't a gotcha i'm genuinely curious go ahead
pause you're the sheep though
you're the one who
needs marks to hold your hand
but marks is dead but marks is dead
so if I'm this loyal to his books
his books are an idol to you
even if that was true.
You're a sheep. Isn't that why you can't even finish your book?
Because you can't, you don't have anything to contribute to fucking Marxism and Leninism, bro.
You're the sheep, bro. But I already have a hundred thousand words. I have to mute you.
I already have over a hundred thousand words 100,000 words. I have to mute you. I already have over 100,000 words to...
I have already contribute to it.
I just haven't finished it.
But...
You're saying I'm a sheep because I'm a devoted Marxist, but Marx is dead.
And even if he was an idol, it takes independent willpower on my part to continue being devoted to Marx because he's not actually alive to act as a shepherd figure for me.
So what you're saying is a little ridiculous.
Go ahead.
I'll meet you.
Bro.
Your whole position is based off of fucking Marx.
Marxism and Lenin.
Right.
You're like
You can't call me a sheep
Dude my whole position is independent
I'm not I'm not affiliated with any group
I just seek the truth
Yeah but but but you understand
There's no established Marxist
Leninist authorities in America
To tell me what to do.
So if I'm a Marxist-Leninist, I'm definitely not a sheep because I'm assuming a position
which can only be maintained based on my own conviction, belief, and willpower.
So it's just a silly argument
you're making. I don't want to repeat myself again.
Anything else?
So, well, according to you, if I'm far right,
like what from the establishment makes me
believe this shit? It doesn't need to be
from the establishment. It just needs to be an
established community online.
Okay, so communism is not an established community online.
No.
Not at all.
You didn't start your position from, like, being in leftist circles?
When I first hit live, no. circles when I first hit
live no
not when I first hit live
prior to
prior to that I had no
career and no presence
any any any
involvement I had with leftists
before and was very minuscule
by the way but any involvement I had with leftists before, and was very minuscule, by the way, but any
involvement I had with leftism
was irrelevant, because it didn't help me at all.
It didn't contribute to anything.
I don't know how you can say
I'm a sheep and you're not, bro.
You're a sheep, and I'm not, because you can say I'm a sheep and you're not, bro. You're a sheep and I'm not because
you can't defend your position based on your own
I've literally defended it with arguments
you're just saying you're just like saying
no and given the most ridiculous
fucking... No, the reason I think you're a sheep
is because when confronted with arguments,
you just go back to laughing about how you find it
preposterous that Hitler, that I can
claim Hitler is a British agent, without
actually addressing why you think that's ridiculous.
Which leads me to believe that the reason
you believe it's ridiculous for me to say that Hitler
is a British agent is because other people find it ridiculous, and that's reason you believe it's ridiculous for me to say that Hitler is a British agent is because other people find it ridiculous and that's why you find it with black now.
No, because it would laugh at me because it'd be like you telling me the sky was red.
It'd be like you telling me the sky was red.
We can roll back the footage of the stream and see you clearly say, while you are laughing hysterically, that any credible historian would have dismissed me, which further reinforces my view that the reason you believe the things you do is because other people do not you you literally referenced such
other people credible historians i rest my case go ahead yeah to highlight the fact that this is like
like this is laugh that it would be like me saying bro precisely took the words
out of my mouth that it's laughable it's laughable because you have a praise that other people
would laugh at it never mind what's true based on what you can decide for yourself it's laughable credible authorities with laugh at it
i'm not disagreeing i just think that makes you a sheep and me a shepherd.
My community is of shepherds.
We are trying to reach sheep like you.
In order to reach sheep like you,
we have to get organized,
and we have to do it in an organized way. We shepherds have to get organized and we have to do it in an organized way we shepherds have to be organized
to reach sheep like you and hopefully once we're successful at our organizing once we've gotten
our shit together we can pull sheep like you to the status of shepherds and get people like, even like you, to think for themselves. I don't think there's anything I can say in this VC to turn you into a shepherd, though. In order to turn you into a shepherd, we have to build authority in real life.
Once we do that, once we've gotten the credibility and authority,
we also have the authority and the credibility to allow for people to think for themselves like you.
This is precisely why Slavojjjjjek and Jacques Lac Lacan talk about the fundamental role of the master in analysis.
You can't just say, I'm going to get rid of the master the discourse of the master I'm just going to escape it and become a free person no same thing with a master slave dialectic you need to you will always have a master
so we will be your master
but we will be the master that teaches you how to free
yourself and we can't do that until we build
the necessary authority and power
the master build the necessary authority and power. The masters you follow want you to remain a sheep.
I can't get through to you.
You're a sheep.
You're following these guys.
I can't get through to you in a VC.
The only way I'm ever going to be able to get through to you
is when I build
objectively a form of power and authority
that you can respect as a sheep.
So you have to understand
this is why I'm talking to you
in the way I do. I've
given up on the ability to persuade you of anything.
I understand what kind of person you are.
No big deal.
There could be, I could have been a sheep at one point in my life.
There's people here who could have been sheep at one point in your life.
But you are sheep and we're shepherds.
It's as simple as that.
Anything else?
Bro, you keep projecting
this shit on me. But you know what's
really funny? You know what I just realized? You're trying
to convince yourself that you're not a sheep,
which is the funniest part. Your whole audience are fucking sheep. You're trying to convince yourself that you're not a sheep which is the funniest part
your whole audience are fucking sheep you're trying to convince yourself that you're not a shepherd
all right that that that you are who are my sheep who are my shepherds go ahead you're trying to
convince yourself that you are a shepherd
you're not a house okay who are my
who are my sheep who are my shepherds
your your shepherd is marks these
idols a guy who's dead
yeah the idols are there how can a shepherd
be how can I have a shepherd who's dead?
Are shepherds not thought leaders?
Who give you your...
Who actively exercise and maintain authority based on the merits of their position
in the real world, yes.
Marx is dead. He has no such position.
So now it's just limited to the real world.
You see how you just make the definition
so fucking retarded that you
can just exclude yourself?
See, here's the thing.
You may get away with saying, because Marx is credible among certain institutions, because he's made a name for himself, that's why I'm a sheep and I listen to Marx. But if my interpretation of Marx differs from all of them, who is maintaining that authority?
Who's maintaining the authority?
I am.
I have an interpretation of Marx that allows me to recognize the authority that has, he has, independently. I'm not just saying, oh, everyone in the university recognizes the authority of Marx. I'm going to the source. I'm understanding why he deserves the authority he has based on his relationship to the history of thinking and the history of the world in general. Go ahead.
Your position of Marx is not unique. go ahead your position
of Marx is not unique
Russia a lot of Russians share
a lot of the Chinese share
I agree but I don't live in Russia
or China I live in America
like so your contention is people cannot have influence uh cannot have people people listen you're a sheep
in a way that i'm not you'd say it enough times it might be true.
No, no, because a sheep is not about someone who's...
Plenty of people influence me,
but none of them are able to control the range of what I consider an acceptable or permissible thought. That's on the merits of what I consider an acceptable or permissible thought.
That's on the merits of what I
recognize.
Not others.
Bro, Oz, I come to my
own conclusion based off of
my own analysis. Based on what other people think and say, I agree.
Based off of my own analysis.
Your whole position is based off of what...
That's what I said...
Just like Hitler, that's what you claim.
It's not what you do.
Oh, my God, dude.
Anything else?
We're going in circles.
Anything else?
Okay.
Just like, the whole fact that you're bringing up this sheep and shepherd distinction just reveals
your psychology bro.
Like,
like you viewed
the world in like this hierarchical
fucking weird shit and it's like
Okay.
What's wrong with hierarchy?
Who said there's something wrong with hierarchy?
Yeah, but the problem is like there are people who are trying to be shepherds and there are people who are just born.
Yeah, you may be trying, but we can't help you right now because you're too far gone.
Hoss, I'm born as a sovereign
being. You're trying to be...
No, no one is born sovereign.
No one is born sovereign.
There's something called the will
and there are humans who are imbued with willpower
and you're just not one of them.
The will refers to a range
of pre-established possibilities set before you by precedent.
The will is...
And if you do something that you didn't consider possible before you did it, it's called an accident.
No.
Don't try to outclass me, sir.
I have you checkmated in this game of chess.
When you go, bro.
To be honest with you, to be honest with you,
listen, to be honest with you, dude,
I'm literally toying with you.
Like, like, I'm a tiger and you're just a mouse, and I'm literally justying with you. Like, like, I'm a tiger
and you're just a
mouse and I'm
literally just playing
with you.
Running circles
around you.
You're being so
devastated.
And I'm just like a
dick.
And I,
like,
it almost makes me
like a retard
because like,
what,
what?
I'm just like
jacking myself off by like slapping you around
but i'm doing it because i'm a narcissist because i'm wearing a really cool suit and i look really
cool and i sound really cool when i say these things and i'm almost using you as practice
for when i actually have real depaid opponents, you know, where it really does matter, where it matters for my career.
But this is just narcissism on my part.
Like, I just kind of like doing this, you know.
I'm kind of larping.
That's what it is.
I'm larping.
Right now I'm larping
that's all you are to me you're just like you're you're you're just a you're just a
an actor in my larp you know you're playing airsoft with me right now and I'm destroying you.
Um and I'm hungry now.
So you gotta have,
you say something new now
or else we're going to terminate this quick.
Go ahead. You haze. I always... or else we're going to terminate this quick go ahead
you haws
I own you bro
I can literally shatter your whole fucking world view
if I wanted to
maybe you can but you have proven your inability
to in this I have you're just you just disagree
because you have so you haven't
so you haven't so you I'm just running circles
Ronnie dude you know what's gonna happen
yeah remember this conversation
yeah where I where I said things that
they're really pressed into
your fucking being,
bro.
You're gonna remember,
because I know I stung,
girl.
And I can keep going.
Like,
I know what takes,
I know,
now you're cope laughing.
I know what ticks you up,
buddy.
I know what ticks you up, buddy. I know what ticks you off, buddy.
I know your pain points, buddy.
Don't try with me.
Don't get me before I reveal it to all your fucking audience.
Don't let go.
It's over, bro.
It's so over for you.
I broke the con.
I broke the con. It's so over for this dude. I wanted to come here
to be civil with you. It's so over for you, bro. I broke the con. It's over. It's over for Haas. You've never
met an opponent like me, haven't you? It's so over for you, bro. It's over for Haas. You've never met an opponent opponent like me, haven't you?
It's so over for you, bro.
It's so over.
It's so over.
I'm sorry.
It's so fucking over.
It's so over.
Yeah, Keith's a
Keel out
You co-blown
Can you guys
imagine if this shit
ended my career
I would kill myself
Oh my God
It's not gonna end your career
But
You're gonna move
You guys
Imagine if like this is what
This is the final nail
in the coffin
this guy
oh my god
all right
dude
what was I going to say
um
yeah
just just you um it, um, it's okay, Oz, it's okay.
I know I started, you definitely were speaking a lot, but not much else.
But usually, Haas, when people come up in here, you just bitched them around.
But, like, I went back and forth.
But this time is different, right?
It's over with you.
Oh, it's over.
Because, you know, I stung deep and I was making points.
You had to respect it.
It is what it is.
How deep, though, because it's kind of
subject, like, you know,
maybe like, um,
Haas, I literally, like,
it's like Zeno's paradox.
Like, you can, you can be infinitely,
I put Lacan to shame
I understand the human psyche better than LaCom
bro I put that fucker to shame
and you know I'm right
um
you claim that I was a sheep because I'm a Marxist
even though Marxist.
No, infrared, I just bitched the con.
I said I would.
I did it.
It is what it is.
I don't even hate you you Haas, but like...
You know what you sound like right now?
Look.
You sound like a crackhead
talking on the street to himself.
That's what you sound like.
It's so funny because, like,
the type of person I am,
whatever you say to me, it just, it just, like, falls off my, like, the type of person I am, whatever you say to me,
it just, it just, like, falls
off my skin like water, bro. It doesn't even...
Like, I'm actually being real, like...
Like, you actually sound like a crackhead
babbling to themselves on the sidewalk.
Ah, yeah, just keep... Just keep
coping, buddy. Just keep
coping.
Are you a Latin king?
Are you
part of the Latin kings? No disrespect,
but are you? Like to the organization
I mean.
Pause, I bitch Haas, I
bitched you
Paul
you got bitched
bro somebody said
you're part
of the Latin
kings I just want to
know
dude Haas
you got bitch
I'm gonna go
fact-checked
all your
fucking Hitler
bullshit
and I'm gonna
why are you so attached as a
Mexican why are you so attached to Hitler
I don't understand
I don't even about Hitler dude okay so would you
say the same shit to Canada so was this Canada
someone's like some weirdo for like
going on Hitler tirades now she's getting
kind of close with the lies she's saying about russian troops in eastern europe or whatever
but i would confront her with the same thing if she said it to me yeah okay do you realize like most people are anti-zionist right and most people would like teeter on
like anti-jewish what does that have to do with the truth
yeah but like you're you're acting like it's unfounded for like
for anyone who's not white
to harbor these views.
I just find it bizarre
and I struggle to understand it.
How is it bizarre? Israel is committing a genocide
and people usually blame
our, it's just like people
so Hitler
so Israel is committing a genocide. There usually blame or it's just like so Hitler so
so Israel is committing a genocide
therefore the guy who committed
genocide against 30 million Russians
is good I mean
is that no no I'm not saying I'm not
ascribing if he's good or not but like
that's why there is a resurgence
of Hitler on, you know,
you see it on social media, people are looking...
Maybe, maybe, but that
doesn't mean it's correct.
Okay.
But, like, it's still a reality.
Like, it's not unfounded. Yeah
there's it's a lack of education and
ignorance
like
okay so if people
investigate and they're coming to these conclusions
that hey maybe Hitler
did have a point. That's the issue
is it involves no investigation.
The reason why there's a
proliferation of popularity of Hitler
among anti-Zionists
on social media is because
liberal media actually made a great deal to
lionize indirectly Hitler even if they're casting him as a villain they made him
this kind of profound strong personality this very this is the kind of epitome of evil within the liberal worldview.
And people are looking at the hypocrisy of liberalism and practice, especially its alignment with Zionism, and they're just kind of assuming what the polar opposite of that they think is.
And that's why. And it's also obviously related to the crimes of the Zionist entity where, you know, in great part, Norman Finkelstein pointed this out, the atrocities of Hitler against the Jews
have been weaponized by Zionists
in order to
defend the actions
and the existence of Israel.
And people have also had enough of that.
So they're overcorrecting by doing something that's actually false and wrong
by trying to defend Hitler and redeem him because if this is the villain upon which
Zionist ideology justifies itself
against, including liberal
and liberal ideology, then they are
falsely drawing the conclusion that
he must actually have been a good guy after
all. But this is actually
a completely misguided
viewpoint. Why is completely misguided viewpoint.
Why is it misguided?
Because Hitler was actually a tool of the very same liberal hegemony that was responsible for the creation of the Zionist entity itself.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Oh my God.
If you don't respond with something that's like an argument, then you're getting...
So that's how you justify why these people like Hitler
that's correct
can you get
I'm hungry now
so anything else
you know
we can have another debate
another day
when all right bye
anyway guys
been a long stream
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I don't want to repeat myself about the event, okay?
I pretty much gave all the information so far,
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