DEBATING A LIBERTARIAN WHO PROMISED TO DESTROY ME [2021-06-26] 🚀 Infrared Content Catalog

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all right we got to stay focused today

though we got to stay focused

we got to focus

so guys

i don't know if i should wait

a little bit it's only been five minutes

i'm gonna give you some background about

this guy

who just challenged me to a debate

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in a sec i'm gonna show you

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everything i saw

just woke up three minutes ago i woke up

like an hour or two ago

usually on saturdays i go to the gym

first

but i don't think i'm gonna because i

think i'm gonna end stream at like 11

or 10 10 or 11.

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which says i have one viewer right now

something i don't know i don't know why

twitch is acting so weird lately

all right it's 136.

it's telling me i have one viewer

okay now it's right it's okay i think

that's enough

for to give you some intro cause i'm

gonna get right into this [ __ ] like asap

thank you marivo

thank you man appreciate it

partial scientist thank you

um

what am i doing

let me see if the vod works today okay

the vod works okay nice

all right guys

let me get into this

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so

i woke up today at like 2 30.

and i got an email 37 minutes ago

i think i was still in bed

so let me show you this email that i got

um

hold on

this is the email that i got

all right

i'm a libertarian capitalist

who destroys mls daily

he goes

infrared

people call me anomaly

i've been running a political discord

for a while and was informed that you're

the new ml in town

i'm emailing you to officially challenge

you to a debate

i've looked up your content and you

don't debate capitalists much

let me know when you have time to debate

so i can quickly destroy you

so i was excited when i saw this free

content man

i didn't have any content lined up for

today so free content you know i was

super excited

i was like okay debate me tonight join

vc when you're ready and then he

responded just joined and i was like you

know what i'm gonna do an early stream

because this is free content dude free

content

okay before we begin because i'm gonna

actually just get right into this like

right now

oh yeah look look how he look how he

says after i just very formally

boldly said just join visa when you're

ready he has to [ __ ] cheerlead

himself in the email like he has to

mentally prep himself

sending the email to dude who are you

cheerleading you're sending this to me

sharky gorillas

does that make you feel better

he's mentally prepping himself

for what

we'll see when we debate what are you

prepping yourself for a little boy

okay anyway jc that appreciate it

he is a [ __ ] sharks cannot survive on

land obviously they would lose to

monkeys no i'll be any type of gorilla

i'll be an aquatic gorilla and i'll go

into the [ __ ] sea and rip a shark in

half

anyway

let me just say something

usually i'm more polite to right wingers

but wow

if you if you email me promising to

destroy me wow

you better

you really better destroy me

i don't care who the [ __ ] you are

because i'm not gonna show you any mercy

all politeness is off

you say you're gonna destroy me this guy

doesn't even know who the [ __ ] i am he

just knows i call myself an ml beyond

that he doesn't know who i am he doesn't

even know my ideas my position is

nothing but he thinks he's gonna destroy

me

wow i hope i hope i pray for your own

sake for your own manhood

that you know what you're talking about

when you say that

because if you don't destroy me

and if you don't do it quickly

your manhood belongs to me

you understand when you talk a big game

you have to follow through with it if

you don't follow through with it your

manhood belongs to me i'm gonna address

your political discord directly now

people of anomalies political discord

if anomaly fails in doing his job

tonight i want you to know officially

that i own anomalies manhood all of his

credibility all of his infamy on that

discord all of his followers i will be

your follower i will be your alpha i

will be your king

if he does not follow through with

destroying me

then i own that whole server you become

my follower you come to my [ __ ]

discord

you understand

that's what we're fighting about

you've become my follower

he forfeits his manhood he'll become my

court eunuch

all right i'm gonna bring him in now

anomaly i know your [ __ ] ass must be

watching this get in show cue right now

get in show cue i'm gonna drag you up

we're gonna do this right now

anomaly where the [ __ ] are you

show you now

thank you indigo placebo

sin get the [ __ ] out of show cue you

[ __ ] idiot

anomaly get in so cute

here he is

i'm dragging him up now

unmute

uh

hello

and i can't hear you i can't hear a word

you're saying

fix your mic

you're supposed to be an infamous guy on

discord so you know how discord works

fix your mic

your discord debate and your mic doesn't

even work

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now he's he's both

mute

he muted himself and he also deafened

himself

so nothing works

already off to a bad start honestly

hello

nope can't hear a word

hello

no your mic does not work there is

literally nothing coming out of your mic

hello

i thought you were a capitalist can't

capitalists afford uh mics that work

uh raise your mic volume you're barely

uh audible

raise it up all the way

but it worked then i heard you then

where did he go he left

where did he go he's probably i'm gonna

guess he's gonna go fix it and he's

gonna come back

just wait

all right he's back he's back

hello

nope it doesn't work

you had it working before you left but

it was too quiet

yeah hello

okay raise your mic volume all the way

you're barely audible

can you talk

louder

you can talk louder

let me ask the audience

speak

hello can you guys hear me

how's this

how's this guys hello

you can hear him okay i'm gonna put the

filter on and i'm going to put the gain

on a little more talk again

hello

talk again hello

how's that

talk

hello

it's good now

okay i put the filter on okay anomaly

you sent me the email that you're gonna

come destroy me quickly so have at it my

friend

all right so just a little backstory on

what's happened i i've been getting a

lot of your fans in my in my discord

and um you know they've just been

wanting to debate me super hard so i was

like you know what let me just get to

the source and stop debating these

little chumps so here i am

okay have at it my friend

all right so

basically when i debate these losers um

constantly they just keep larping about

are you gonna keep bitching about other

people are you gonna debate me i'm not

here to

you're here to debate me my positions my

ideas i'm sure you've done your research

so have at it my friend

all right so i mean i guess we could

specifically talk about china um sure

since that's what you guys like to talk

about so much uh so

basically my just based on my framework

i don't really see china as

china basically is not what you guys

think it is this is kind of my point

china china is basically prospering

right now because of how capitalist they

are

and india is not capitalist

and what what do you say is india

capitalist

uh yeah i guess so why isn't india

prospering in the same way china is

well i mean i'm not saying all

capitalists are equal i'm saying china

they're not all equal do you think china

in your view since china's capitalist is

it more or less capitalist in

america uh i would say in in a way it's

more uh

that's interesting because do you know

the proportion of uh

the

china's economy which is governed by or

uh

held by state-owned uh enterprises soes

do you have those in america soes do you

have the same level of intervention into

the economy in america that you do in

china do the chinese exercise the same

amount of control over capitalists as

the american government does over its

own capitalists

no i mean china obviously it doesn't so

no we're not going to pretend here that

china is

more capitalist than america now china

might have a more dynamic market economy

it ha it might have a more

dynamic kind of grassroots and pro

people policy where you know they don't

have this government red tape

bureaucracy that fleeces the people on

the ground but by no means is china some

kind of libertarian capitalist economy

and despite that it seems like you agree

that china is in a very well flourishing

uh very uh dynamic and very prosperous

economy if among the most in the whole

[ __ ] world

yeah i do agree but i think china's

doing so they're allowing for the

average person to actually trade and

that's why

but i don't see

but according to the chinese themselves

so i don't know what other authority you

need according to the chinese themselves

markets are not incompatible with

socialism

okay well that's that's not what i hear

from all these lefties i debate but well

don't talk about the lefties talk about

the source and by the way anomaly you do

not sound

like you have the same level of

confidence and certainty that you did

when you sent me that email i'm hearing

a lot of i thinks and what ifs you sound

like you're

nervous a little bit you sound very

quiet and tame why didn't you approach

me with the same level in your email

that you're talking to me now where's

all that bravado that you had when you

were typing on your keyboard

well i mean i guess we wouldn't be

debating if i was passive right we're

debating here right now if this is how

you're going to get my attention don't

don't take what you can't dish out

because i'm going to give you exactly

what you were looking for and asking for

then i'm not going to be polite dude i'm

not going to show you any mercy little

boy that's fine that's fine

i didn't ask for it

so

go on go on continue

alright so my kind of my overall point

about china is yes they are

authoritarian and yes they do intervene

more than the u.s does but

they allow for the small the average

person to trade the us does not what's

your product wait wait the u.s does not

allow for the average person to trade

not when their governments collude with

with already established big

corporations to to no no i agree china's

but here's what you're missing though

and this again chinese marxists are

going to tell you the same thing the

reason why china doesn't have these

you know this red tape bureaucracy

colluding with this overwhelming uh

power of monopoly capital is because the

chinese state which calls itself a

socialist state elevates itself above

the interests of any particular economic

interest and is able to use its

overwhelming state power

to stop big monopolies forming which do

choke

and hamper the small guy from being able

to trade and participate in the economy

so as you can see a very strong

socialistic state

and ruled by a communist party is

perfectly compatible with the little guy

being able to trade and flourish

on a real market rather than the uh fake

market and monopoly capitalism we have

here in the united states

yeah but china could at whim come down

on any company if they want it whatever

it's because of that but that's the

exact reason why the little guy in china

has a chance

unlike in america as you pointed out

it's thanks to socialism that that's the

case

yeah but the way they intervene is not

capitalist in any way of course no

because china is a socialist country

that's my position that's been my

position from the start

and so you're saying the us is not a

socialist country that's weird it's not

no

so all of these bright in handouts

that's been that's been happening over

the last year you're saying that's not

socialist at all no socialism is not uh

printing money and giving handouts to

the population uh whimsically that's

socialism is far more dynamic and

complicated than that

i think that what's going on in america

is more the economy of a collapsing

empire i wouldn't say that socialism

china's a thriving socialist state

infrastructure stop interrupting me

little boy everyone agrees the soviet

union was a socialist state but the

soviet union didn't just give uh

print out money and give handouts

so i don't see what's so socialistic

about biden's policies whatsoever

well you're saying biden's

infrastructure programs are not

socialist in any way

no

even even if biden was able to pass

every facet and aspect of his so-called

infrastructure plan that would not equal

socialism because socialism is a system

not a policy or set of policies

socialism is a specific relationship

between a government or a state

and for example the economy

and the us does not possess that

relationship even if biden was able to

[ __ ] out money and throw his money

wherever he wants to it would not

establish the same relationship to the

economy that the chinese state has

because ultimately the us government is

controlled

by private interests who come from the

us economy

by financial capital by wall street by

the banks

it's a completely different system you

you know the government can decide to

throw money at this or that place that

doesn't make it more or less socialist

it just means

uh it's using its money in this or that

way that it has it doesn't change the

underlying systemic realities

all right well well let's let's get so

rude of you so what issues do you have

with libertarians in general

libertarians seem very diverse but my

issue with libertarianism is its

one-sidedness it doesn't understand the

dialectic we just went over about how

you need a very strong powerful and even

socialist state that looks out for the

interests of the people in order to curb

the inevitable and yes inevitable growth

of monopolies that arises from a normal

capitalist economy

in order to maintain a moderately free

market you need a very strong and

powerful state to curb the power

of uh the various private interests that

may emerge in the economy i think

american libertarians should join uh

help

us reforge the communist party because

the communist party will allow for what

the libertarians really want

which is they want to get rid of the

state bureaucratic red tape they want us

get rid of the monopolies that are

hurting a small guy and they want to get

the government off the backs of the

people on an everyday local level these

are perfectly compatible with what

communists want

communists don't want

the government to intervene

and

lord over people at the local and small

level actually if you look at china's

government governance china is a very

localistic type of state china allows

people the chinese government is not on

people's back at the local level it's

very much promotes a culture of

self-governance

and uh which is of course uh maintained

by culture and other things

so that's my view of libertarianism i

don't think liberty and another thing

too is that even if we assume all of the

values of the libertarians are correct i

don't believe american libertarians will

ever accomplish any of their real goals

uh and it's simply because of that same

one-sidedness libertarians don't

recognize the necessity

of maintaining a strong state

powerful state

yeah but states inevitably become

corrupt that's sort of the point even if

states inevitably do become corrupt

the process of fighting corruption from

the grassroots level the level of the

people would become an inevitable part

of the life cycle of the state actually

the conception of a state as a static

thing is very modern there's pre-modern

views of the state which is cyclical

that states become corrupt the people

put the state in check and somehow and

the cycle continues i'll give you a

concrete example of this from china

alone

after the

1949

rise to acquisition of power by the

communist party of china

the chinese bureaucracy

soviet inspired bureaucracy was pretty

corrupt in many ways especially at the

local level when they were ruling over

peasants the cultural revolution was

precisely about people rising up and

challenging that corruption and and they

did uh just recently xi jinping got to

power on an anti-corruption campaign

he fought and root out corruption within

the chinese government so instead of

thinking this is a static thing

corruption if it's inevitable should be

thought of as a in a cyclical way

corruption may inevitably occur but at

the same time anti-corruption campaigns

will inevitably arise that's because in

a communist state

the state does not consider itself

all-powerful the state recognizes that

its power lies in the people so there's

a dynamic ever-changing relationship

between the state

and the people

the state unlike in america and in

western countries doesn't pretend like

it exists independently of the people

and has no material foundation in the

people

so then how how do you know that china's

not corrupt right now how do you

determine that china could be corrupt

right now well how would you like to

measure it because i think by any

corruption index you will find

that china is far less corrupt than it

was before xi jinping assumed power

if there's maybe there is uh corruption

within china but who's to say that

corruption will not fall victim to

another anti-corruption campaign in the

future this is the business of the

chinese people certainly when the

chinese people find out about any

instance of corruption

there is uh social media grassroots and

so on so on campaigns and public

pressure to see justice done and see

them removed so if there's corruption

going on in china it's just that the

chinese people don't know about it

which is possible but what's the point

well i mean the point is if if you don't

if you can't see corruption if it's at a

local level you you might not be able to

see it from a national level but there

could still be corruption i don't think

so because china's especially with the

new social media culture china seems

like a very uh internally seems like in

terms of the public the public

perception

governance in china is pretty

transparent if people if there's local

abuses going on it it gains national

attention and public outcry this has

happened multiple times actually in

china's history since the reform on

opening up even before

the ji era

okay

um so you're saying that

that china is able to detect corruption

efficiently you're saying there's much

more efficiently than in the united

states and elsewhere here in the united

states we have all sorts of corrupt

political we have the clinton machine we

have all sorts of corrupt entities and

corruption going on here in the united

states which the public doesn't even

know about no one even cares about the

government in the united states doesn't

even make it a formal priority to root

out corruption because it doesn't even

recognize any corruption

meanwhile in china even if you're gonna

argue that there's still corruption

which there may very well be at least

the chinese government has made it

almost uh

a very top priority to root out

corruption that's it's an official

formal goal of the the government is to

root out corruption we don't have that

in america

i mean the people in america know that

the government's corrupt of course but

our government

the government here doesn't even pretend

to work for the people in america at

least in china the government's only

official purpose is to serve the people

so what you're saying is china is more

like

china is more libertarian than the us as

well i think so yes

with a big state of

all right and and you're justifying that

by saying that the chinese government

could come in and break up big companies

that's an example of it yes and it also

has a very uh

wealthy

grassroots popular culture

of participating in uh civil life civic

life

holding corrupt entities

accountable the chinese people unlike

what western media was trying to say for

the past few decades are not a passive

flock of sheep

they know

they have a voice they have opinions

about their own country

and

china is not perfect i'm not trying to

say it's perfect

but i think american libertarians would

be much more interested

uh in learning from china than they

would learning from

europe or learning from wherever else

example okay and and what if china

decides to to intervene in a small

company

you know for whatever reason culturally

or

the people who are doing the

intervention are government officials

and they're accountable to somebody so

they have to have a pretty good reason

for doing anything they do if they can't

come up with a reason

um

you know there's gonna be a problem now

if they're doing it for self-interested

private reasons as a government official

that would be an example of corruption

uh but we've already talked about

corruption and its significance within

china so the chinese government does not

act arbitrarily its only official

purpose is to serve the chinese people

yeah but you do understand that the

politicians are still humans so they're

of course when they

but when we when we let the markets

decide that's that's that's demands of

many people but you can't let a market

decide when it comes to governance and

statehood

what do you mean by that

meaning uh

what do you what would what do you mean

what would be all the alternative if

markets inevitably lead to monopolies

markets are inevitably like

infrastructures infrastructure

sorry you're letting like infrastructure

we can let we can let private companies

build roads and bridges and whatever

else that china builds instead of then

why don't why uh

why why don't they where in the world do

you find an example of private companies

being able to build infrastructure with

the level of efficiency that china does

well they can't right now because the

western governments are are so involved

but i'm saying

everything the buck stops somewhere the

buck has to stop somewhere and the fact

of the matter is that private companies

are would be much less adept

at building infrastructure because

infrastructure doesn't work like a

market you don't for example when you

drive on the highway you don't it's not

a market decision

when you get your cleaning uh drinking

water it's not a market decision

infrastructure is not a matter of going

to a bazaar and making a consumer choice

but businesses need those things so they

would inevitably build it google would

build a road if they needed to get from

one place to another they would do it

okay what's your point but google

doesn't do that because google relies on

the infrastructure that already exists

yeah but which is much more efficient

from a business perspective they don't

have to waste expenses and that's why

china's infrastructure policies are much

more friendly to businesses because

businesses don't have to uh

create a state on their own they can let

the state take care of that at no cost

to themselves besides taxes and stuff

and they won't have to build their own

infrastructure

yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean

so you're saying that google could not

build a a road that's as good as what we

have now that's what you're saying like

maybe they could

make it

anyone with money can maybe do anything

maybe they could maybe they couldn't but

let me tell you there's multiple layers

to this so let's take roads alone for

example right

for google to have to build its own

infrastructure

google needs educated people it needs

people who know how to build roads and

so it needs that kind of things right it

needs ownership of land uh the land

necessary to build the roads on

somewhere along the lines the bucks stop

somewhere where it requires some kind of

state infrastructure state institutions

which build the infrastructure for this

to be possible because google cannot

build a state of its own which a

provides complete education over how

infrastructure works technical engineers

provides all the raw materials necessary

secures the flow of raw materials uh the

the the supply chains that allow those

to be

somewhere along the line the buck stops

at geopolitics statehood things like

that

and this is the significance of

infrastructure in general maybe google

could build

now i'll tell you what's going on in

america the reason why we all suspect

that google would do a better job at

building infrastructure than governments

would in america is because our state in

america is very outdated in general our

laws are outdated our government is

outdated and our infrastructure is

definitely outdated

so if google undertook the project of

building its own infrastructure it

probably would maybe be better than uh

the current infrastructure that exists

now but that would come at a tremendous

cost to google i don't think google

would want to undertake that cost i

think google wants the government to

take care of that kind of thing so that

google can focus on the things that

google

i mean there's building they build

campuses all across the world

and they and they put that bill but

their campuses

are for working at google

yeah but i'm saying they can build it

without taking 10 years like it does in

the u.s or 20 years or 30 years the us

experience the government in the u.s is

uh very outdated but the government in

china is not outdated like it is in the

us

the infrastructure builders in china

their method and their ways

is not outdated like it is in the us

china is an example of a state

china state-owned enterprises and

china's infrastructure building is an

example of a state uh

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a state sector of the economy that in

the world that is not actually outdated

with regard to the private sector

yeah but when you say china well first

when i say efficient what i'm what i

mean is

it's the quality of what they're

building and also how timely they're

building it at so you're saying that

china

would be able to

china is able to build infrastructure

better than google would be i think they

are yes if you look at the record look

at the

china's uh look at the past decade or

two and how long it took china to create

an extensive country-wide high-speed

rail network

that is no easy task my friend

that's not something countries do with

ease

china's very f china's infras china is

known and renowned throughout the world

for the efficiency and speed with which

it is able to build infrastructure

i i just don't find that moral that the

government is is doing this why is it

immoral

individuals should be able to do you

think that if a private company is

building infrastructure that this is an

individual is doing it's not an

individual's doing that it's never an

example for that

individual i mean the the company

started from an individual point of view

it started from a couple of people right

it started

what's the point

yeah but the communist party were

elected they they didn't produce

anything

they weren't they're not producers

google only got to where they are

because they pro google is a

i don't see what's so individual about

google whatsoever google is a company

that's not controlled by any one

individual never was and by the way no

individual made google possible a series

of investors made google possible not to

count not to discount the countless

engineers and all those people who made

it possible it wasn't any one individual

who made google possible

it does

well i mean it's individual in the sense

that it's it's by individual people that

came up governments are by individual

people as well

yeah but the the way of markets and the

way free markets work

do you seriously believe that google

emerged out of a free market google was

made possible

by the infrastructure and network

created between the united states the

military and the research institutions

during the cold war this is the

infrastructure that made google possible

in the first place furthermore

do you are you do you really want to

lead us to believe that google arose out

of some kind of consumer

bazaar free market no google arose out

of a combination of government monopoly

uh

shareholders and investors

and speculators who have nothing to do

with any market that's accessible by an

ordinary people so no

what you're saying is patently false

you know these big companies these big

tech companies are the worst example

you're using of private enterprise and

free markets because the the goddamn

truth of the matter is is that

we as consumers don't really choose what

these companies are even even able to we

don't even have a choice you do you

think the masses are happy with the big

tech censorship that's going on

i mean not necessarily they're not we

don't have an alternative we have no

alternative there's no free market to

choose an alternative to that you don't

have to use google

you don't but you're going to be

isolated from the world then i know

about all the alternative websites right

right wingers like to use they like to

use

uh what is it gab and what else but

those are failures

they're all failures there's still

alternatives and there's not

alternatives that will ever able to

rival these monopolies these big tech

monopolies

i mean but that's the that's the market

right people get to decide but this is

where you got it wrong because it's

precisely not because of the market

because these big tech companies have a

monopoly and this monopoly goes very

deep it's not just that people prefer to

use them they have partnerships with

other companies they have special

relationships with the government they

have special relationships with the

local governments of countries

uh whole estates like in california so

no google and these facebook and all

these big tech companies

have not gained the prominence they have

because of the free market they they've

done so because of their monopolies

i mean i i do agree that the us has

definitely been a huge investor in some

of these companies but that's just

because that's what we live in right now

in america but what i'm saying is even

if it was a completely free market

google and amazon and these companies

would still be large and they would but

they're monopolies majority they're

monopolies which hurt free markets

yeah but again if the mark if the

customers are deciding which product is

better if google always has a better

search engine i'm fine with people

choosing google over another platform so

why do you have a problem if the

overwhelming majority of chinese people

choose socialism with chinese

characteristics

mean i don't have a i mean i'm not

anti-china in the sense that most you

know libertarian right ring

right wingers are i mean i don't really

care what china does they can do

whatever they want with their own

country but i'm saying here in america

because we do already have a more of a

free market uh you know system already

i'm saying we just need to abolish a lot

of these government programs

but we don't have a free market economy

in america you just told me we didn't

more than charge we don't allow the

small traders to have a

have a chance here you that's was your

words not my words

no what i'm saying is if yeah but i'm

saying if we abolish a lot of these laws

and and policies that we have in place

it would it would go back to like the 19

you know like the late 1800s type of

america the late 1800s is what gave rise

to the america we know of now the late

1800s was the era in which monopolies

arose and monopolies uh

were only able to be challenged by the

power of government so you can i agree

there's a lot of red tape and

bureaucracy in america that doesn't need

to be there i 100 agree with that but

one-sidedly saying you're just going to

get rid of those and let things be to me

you're just going to end up with a uh a

catastrophic situation in which you're

going to uh

you're going to have the unfettered rule

of monopolies and it's going to stifle

the ability for ordinary people to have

a chance but can you agree that that

could have been technological too you

don't know that if that that would be

the case now

that would be the case

the individual person has a lot more

at their disposal that they didn't have

in those there at times you know what do

you mean

uh whether it's cell phones whether it's

the ability for them to be independent

contractors like you probably are as a

streamer

you weren't able to do this before

so even even if we had zero laws or you

know the all these crazy policies that

we have in place you would still be able

to make money on twitch

nothing stopping no i wouldn't i really

wouldn't

because twitch you're you're

you're trying to isolate something from

a from the greater whole you're not

seeing the bigger picture you're not

seeing the bigger picture and how big

tech as it currently exists relies upon

the government to maintain itself

so you're saying that twitch wouldn't

exist without the government i don't

think it would no

how do you justify that you can i mean

you can just say that but there's no i

don't see any proof behind that okay

sure what makes twitch possible

let's begin from there i mean before

even amazon bought it twitch was uh you

know it started from the ground right

sure what makes what makes twitch

possible

what do you mean by that what do you

mean technologically or the company

i mean any kind of way i mean just the

advancement of technology i mean a

couple of guys let's be specific let's

be specific

i mean

what i mean is a couple of guys

entrepreneurs started a company

to allow people to stream on their

platform okay you sound like a guy who's

never looked at their own the ground

upon which their feet stands you think

that you're just floating in mid-air you

don't you don't stand on some kind of

ground

so you're saying even for the ability be

more specific what makes twitch possible

what do you mean by that the internet is

what makes twitch possible

okay

who created the internet

okay the government yeah okay what else

okay let's then let's forget about the

technological software side of things

even though we're skipping a lot of

important details

let's look at the hardware side of

things what makes the internet possible

so you're wanting me to debate from what

happened i'm saying what makes

what makes the internet possible

isn't elon musk shooting up what makes

the internet possible can you answer

i mean

what do you mean by computers

okay so yeah governments created a lot

of these things it's not just that

governments created them it's that the

supply chains necessary for our

computers to be built

are geopolitically maintained by the

american state and negotiated at the

level of the american state if you don't

have a state your supply chains that

allow you to secure the raw materials

necessary to even build the [ __ ]

things falls apart

oh so you're saying that there wouldn't

be supplies if the us government is what

negotiates on the world level or

negotiations may be a bad word because

that assumes they're they're doing so as

equals

they're using their big stick to make

american companies have the best deal

when it comes to securing raw materials

okay but in the build of [ __ ]

computers individuals trade

you don't know about the

significance of government in relation

to negotiating trade

individual companies could do the exact

same things you're saying no they can't

an individual company would never be

able to establish something like the imf

an individual company would never be

able to establish something like the

world trade organization an individual

company would never be able to do

something like negotiate the level at

which companies countries participate it

can institute tariffs and all that kind

of stuff in a way transnational

corporations could do those things they

couldn't

how could they

without being sovereign political states

and powers in and of themselves because

remember these are things

trade policy is something a sovereign

state does

to over determine

what the companies within it are allowed

to do not just one company choosing for

itself what it's going to do but all the

companies within the state

yeah you're explaining what's happening

now which i don't disagree with what i'm

saying is if we were in a more free

market uh you know society we could

still do those things

okay

please give me a hypothetical example of

how you could do that yeah i mean you're

saying like the internet you know how

the government created an internet one

now which is obviously true but um i

said a whole lot of things i talked

about the supply chains i talked about

the relationship between trade policy

that makes it all possible in the first

place

yeah i mean all of that but i'm saying

individuals can do that too you see elon

musk you know starting his own elon musk

would not be more than a [ __ ] sewer

rat word not for the us government

subsidies and funding he received where

not for the partnerships and

collaboration he's able to establish

with nasa his [ __ ] rockets would

never be able to leave the ground so no

elon musk is not an example of an

individual just doing things on his own

that's probably the worst example you

could give me but even even if it was

even if it was

elon musk again relies upon the trade

policies the monopolies and state

policies at the level of the us

government geopolitically

that allows him to have anything in the

first place i'll give you an example of

this

what does elon must need for his cars

he's lithium

where do you find lithium well you find

it in other countries one of those

countries is bolivia

the u.s helped orchestrate a coup in

bolivia so elon musk could have access

to the lithium there how is elon musk

going to do that all by himself he needs

a state to do it

so you're saying individual companies

can't negotiate with states is that what

you're saying

no not with not with the efficacy that's

that which states are going to and by

the way you're going to create a chaotic

scenario if if states are only going to

be able to negotiate with individual

companies

somewhere along the line there's going

to be a conflict of interest because

there's millions and millions of

companies

and there's only one state they're

negotiating with

it doesn't make any sense for

this would never be able to replace

trade policies and

bilateral agreements between states when

it comes to trade

i mean depending on the size of the

corporation it could basically sort of

have the power of the state

no it couldn't

i mean it could it would not be a state

then it by no mean no meaningful sense

would it be a state

if there is only one

company out there that is shooting

satellites up into space they're gonna

whether it's you know if it's a company

they're gonna negotiate with bolivia for

example and it's gonna be just that one

company doing so i mean companies does

this company exist in the a there which

country is this company based in

i mean in this hypothetical i guess it

would be the u.s or the west

you don't think that tesla has to comply

with the united states national security

regime you don't think that tesla has to

comply with the interests of the of

what's established by the us government

you don't think that the us government

itself is what's propping up tesla

i mean it is right now yeah but that's

because we're in crony capitalism as you

mentioned earlier but i'm saying in in

my ideal society there would be no state

doing that i'm saying individual

corporations would have the ability to

negotiate and guess what the best but i

think that's precisely where we're

finding a problem here you're saying my

ideal society but as an individual your

perspective is very limited you're not

taking into account

into how all of these things you're

describing

rely and interdepend upon each other

it's easy from your individual

perspective to isolate one thing and say

oh i just want that without all the

blemishes oh i just want the ice cream

without the cows that make it possible

without the the grass that feeds those

cows you're isolating one thing that you

like

from the greater hole

with which it depends this is why it's

wrong to think in terms of individually

contrived ideals

and it's important to take into account

a more material

scientific analysis of the greater whole

well i i think individuals are smart

enough to if even if we didn't have a

state individuals would be smart enough

to be able to you speak of individuals

as though an individual isn't a being

that's crawled out of uh

some woman's

[ __ ] like you're speaking of an

individual like an individual doesn't

have a mother you're speaking of an

individual as if an individual raises

and clothes themselves you're speaking

of an individual

as though at one point in their life

they weren't a screaming infant that was

absolutely nothing there's no such thing

as an isolated individual in the history

of humanity and there's certainly no

such thing as an isolated individual

when it comes to modern economies of

scale individuals rely upon now of

course individual brilliance is a huge

part

of the world and of societies

an individual initiative is a huge

factor but individuals alone can't do

anything

your society caps that that intelligence

by individuals how is that

because of the state the state but in

china as an example china can't possibly

be pointed out as an example in which

individual talent or initiative is

somehow stifled china is an example of a

country which draws out the brilliance

and initiative individuals in a way that

is more than america can

i mean you can say that but you don't

know that because an individual the

chinese the state of chinese society and

its economy speaks quite plainly for

itself

so i think i can say that

yeah but you don't know what policies

the chinese state has put in place that

has stifled progress for an individual

person that was affected by that then

find them and point them out and bri and

raise it as an issue with chinese

researchers and academics would be more

than interested in hearing what you have

to say if it's an original and profound

point china's not interested in uh

closing its years from the truth if you

have something to say if you

have some concrete evidence that china's

stifling individual brilliance in a

concrete way

go bring it up with chinese academics

and researchers and they'll hear you out

i'm not saying just china i'm saying the

state itself will stifle some

individuals freedom enough so to where

they why is it necessarily the state

which is going through that can't time

and circumstance itself do that

yeah but that's something we don't have

control over

i don't see how the state necessarily

stifles individual talent i can see how

it can do that but only in so far as the

state colludes with the prevailing

economic powers that be if the state

works in the interests of the people at

the expense of those prevailing economic

powers then as a matter of fact this

state can be is probably the only

instrument with which individuals can be

freed from the shackles

of the everyday institutional

and established

economic powers and burdens which do

stifle their ability to

uh draw out their potential so i think

the state is actually a weapon with

which individuals can

express their inherent and latent

potentials

okay so when uh when a state goes to war

with another state and bombs and kills

millions of people those millions of

people that they killed you're telling

me that they didn't they didn't

objectively you know stifle

some individuals on whose behalf does

america go to war and kill millions of

people

yeah i'm not saying it's on behalf of

what's saying

it's on behalf of oil cartels it's on

behalf of wall street it's on behalf of

the rich and the powerful and the

established economic interests that be

china isn't a country that goes in and

bombs millions of people yeah i'm not

saying china specifically i'm saying the

state and the state itself but the

states we can actually confine the realm

of states who do do that to a limited

set

yeah let's use the us the us does it all

the time they kill millions of people

right

arabic people from all over the world

kids that are bombed and killed you're

telling me those those pretend that

potential wasn't spoiled

yeah

yeah but i'm saying the state is the one

that has the power yeah like i said the

state in collusion with established

economic powers and interests that's

what i said already

okay

so so you do agree to an extent that the

state will stifle progress to some

degree

the state only in so far as it is in

collusion with the established economic

powers yes is a profound tool with which

uh progress development and human

flourishing is stifled america is an

example of that but all i'm trying to

say is that this is not uh something

specific to states in the abstract or

states in and of themselves

but a state

rather

which is consolidated and controlled and

serves the interests of established

economic powers this isn't does not

reflect on states in general

okay so you're saying that states like

china

is is sort of set up to where that

couldn't be allowed is what you're

saying so if they were to ever go to war

with another state for example you know

this hasn't happened now but if if they

were to ever go to war with another

state you're telling me that i'm saying

that itself is stifling progress well

okay then you're speaking about wars in

general but you don't imagine that in

the absence listen the the most

bloodshed we see the biggest example of

uh

real war and real conflict that stifles

individual potential are in fact

wars in which there is no consolidated

state civil wars er for example china's

era of warlordism where there was no

real central state just competing and

buying warlords at least when it's a war

between states

you mitigate that by sending the troops

overseas and they're they're fighting in

specific local areas at least some

segment of the population is free from

the war when there's no state it's

always a state of war all the time for

everyone

yeah but the state has the power to

eliminate millions of people a small

warlord tribe or you know whatever

example you're using here can't no in

the aggregates millions die in the

aggregate the the sum total of all those

small warlords and their conflicts lead

to more

or equal amount of death

and what if what if that what if those

warlords were more centralized then

then what they they would still they

would still

have less power on average than the

united states would for example they

would never be able to create a nuclear

well what you're talking about for

example is the

militaries of scale which have uh

overwhelming destructive power like

weapons of mass destruction i don't see

how privatizing anything would solve

that problem why couldn't corporations

in your view then possess

wmds which they could themselves use

because

you can't blame states for war war is

something that will happen with or

without state so long as the underlying

antagonisms responsible for war persist

there will be war

yeah but to what scale is kind of my

point i mean if there's two what skill

well you can have the aggregate of uh

chaos small local instances of chaos is

probably more than uh

between states

okay yeah so like this guy in chat is

saying google should be a lot of please

just speak up i can't hear anything

all right i have my money i have my

volume

okay

um so what i'm saying is

just

hello yes sorry my spot if i was playing

go ahead okay yeah so what i'm saying is

the state will there will never be a

privatized uh organism that could ever

uh create

vast destruction like the states can

it never could happen it would be

individual schools i i i i agree i agree

with that but the nuclear weapon i agree

a private organization could have never

developed something like nuclear weapons

but the weapons are here so what's going

to happen to them when the state is

eliminated

well i mean i don't know i can't predict

the future but i mean someone's going to

have have hands on that i'm guessing but

i don't know how that would the

underlying antagonisms that endangered

the necessity of nuclear weapons have

persisted

so whether a state is going to take on

that burden or something else is going

to take on that burden which inevitably

will have to become a state is different

okay well my my overall point is that we

just need to allow individuals to

maximize their their abilities and in

the states stifle that

states stifle that just but with their

policies it could be unintended

i don't see what your point is uh we

agree that states in collusion with

established economic powers stifle

individual initiative states which act

in the interests of the people at the

expense of those powers

allow for the individual initiative to

flourish

so i don't see what's so relevant about

the state

it's not just the state that stifles the

individual initiative the key parts is

the established

uh

economic order in general and

established economic interests and

powers which do that yeah but it's not

just economics that make the state so

powerful if it was you know what i mean

it's not just economic it's also other

you know well the issue is not

it's not about how powerful the state is

it's to what extent does the state act

to supplement economic powers

parasitic economic powers that need the

state to subsist

that's the point

the reason why the american state

is so uh

powerful and stifling individual or uh

small businesses for example

is because the americans because these

big corporations would not survive on

their own in a so-called free market so

they rely upon the big stick the

american state

to maintain their monopolies

i don't i don't agree with that i mean

you can evolve if the united states

dissolved right now google would still

be here in some form i promise you i i

am willing to promise you something if

the united states dissolved

absolutely no big tech company would

survive

absolutely none of them not google not

none of them absolutely not they may not

in the form that they that they're in

right no they would not survive

whatsoever what's do you know what a

corporation is

i mean i know the corporation itself is

a government no no i mean like yeah what

do you know what a corporation what it

means for a company to be incorporated

yeah i mean i do get it conceptually i

understand that the government's that is

a government government's incorporation

companies

yeah that's a government instrument i

understand that but what i'm saying is

you can call it whatever you want but

how would google maintain anything

google doesn't even have its own police

force if

if 50 homeless people ran into google's

headquarters naked they have to call the

police

you're saying if the american state the

whole american state collapsed google

would still be around no they wouldn't

yeah but i mean so you're saying there

there are no security companies out now

you said you're saying there wouldn't be

a market for i'm just that was just an

example

of the way in how much google depends

not only on the federal government but

the local california not only the local

california government the local city

government

yeah but what i'm saying is there there

would be a market for that obviously if

it dissolved there would be a market

that's one thing that's one thing i'm

trying to tell you google would not be

able to survive

google depends upon the us government to

survive

yeah currently but what i'm saying

the whole organizational apparatus of

the company in the corporation how it

pays its employ the whole [ __ ] thing

from top to bottom would collapse

nothing would be able to be sustained

nothing google isn't just one guy hiring

companies google is a

system it's a corporation

from the shareholders down

none of that would be sustained because

the underlying systemic matrices

that they're coming from and they're

operating within are defined by laws

defined by the institutions

core of the us government

yeah i mean i agree that's how it's set

up right now but what i'm saying no it's

not just right now what what essential

organ of google would survive if the us

government collapsed what is this

central nucleus called google which

would survive all of the employees who

have to be laid off because the

underlying [ __ ] uh institutional

ability to hire people the process of

hiring people the process of negotiating

contracts with your employers not this

is this is forgetting about the whole

investors and all that kind of stuff by

the way which alone would collapse the

whole [ __ ] thing we're just going to

assume the company is going to be able

to operate without the shareholders and

investors which is the joke in and of

itself without do you understand how

much laws permeate everyday economic

life

yeah i'm not saying that you would see

how is google going to define the extent

and sphere in which it even owns

property why should anyone respect

google's claims as to its ownership of

property that records of google's

property ownership is indexed by local

and state and federal governments what

about google's intellectual property

that's probably the biggest one who's

going to enforce google's intellectual

property well i guess they would no they

wouldn't they would have no way of doing

that short of becoming a state in and of

themselves they would have no way of

doing that what is going to do put

people on [ __ ] toyota trucks armed

with machine guns and go uh go

attack small startups to enforce their

intellectual it's complete what we are

talking about is an absurdity right now

what we are talking about is literally

an absurdity

the whole thing is an absurdity i can't

even believe i'm talking about it it's

so stupid

i mean you're you're yeah of course

because this is a hypothetical

it's just super hypothetical the idea

that google would survive if the us

government collapsed is the most stupid

[ __ ] thing i've ever heard

on twitch

i'm not saying something i've been on

twitch since when february march this is

the most stupid thing i've ever heard

someone try to seriously argue i'm not

saying no you're misquoting me i'm not

saying google would exist in the state

that it does now whatsoever it doesn't

have to be the state it is now

whatsoever the idea that google would

exist whatsoever if the us government

collapsed is the most stupid [ __ ]

thing i have ever heard on the history

of twitch

what i'm saying is there would be

another form of google wow how what

okay order to be another form of google

we have to draw a distinction between

the essence the nucleus of google and

the incidental unimportant inessential

qualities and features what is the

permanent

survivable nucleus of google that would

survive that would allow it to still be

google

uh well i guess the infrastructure what

infrastructure the infrastructure for

example is owned by

the company the company's ownership over

that infrastructure is only made

possible because it's recognized by the

government so the infrastructure would

still exist but it wouldn't be google's

it would belong to some [ __ ] local

warlord not googles

i mean i guess you could make that

hypothetical but we don't know that

how would google exist at all what would

be google

who is google if the u.s government

collapsed what is google

who is they who are they

i mean individuals still have the

ability to cooperate together to to form

what we would call a corporation it

wouldn't be

a corporation is literally only

something possible by a state it's

incorporated it's not a corporation if

there's no state because it's not

incorporated by anything

yeah i understand that you're saying it

wouldn't be recognized by others no it

would not be a corporation is what i'm

saying it would not be incorporated

do you know what a corporation is i'm

i'm using the word corporation so you

mean a company you mean a company then

you're trying to say a company yeah it

wouldn't be a corporation it would be a

company yeah well i was using it you

know i was here okay a cooperative

economic enterprise correct yes okay

yeah and what i'm saying is it wouldn't

you're you're making yeah of course okay

okay let me ask you a question this

cooperative economic enterprise would

not just have to be an economic

enterprise it would also have to create

its own state its own laws

it would have to have some kind of way

to violently defend its property claims

and it would have to trade in some kind

of universally recognized currency which

right now in the world does not exist

now i know you might say bitcoin or

something yeah um

cryptocurrency right but how who's going

to create the infrastructure that allows

the blockchain to even exist in the

first place that cannot be privately

done if warlords are running around with

pickup trucks and machine guns shooting

everything how is there going to be a

stable infrastructure network that's

going to survive all that is everyone's

just going to agree like compiler to the

caribbean they're going to have the

pirates code that we're just not going

to [ __ ] with the infrastructure that

we're fighting over

i mean the united the so-called

dismantle the united states wouldn't be

the only group of people using crypto

like for bitcoin for example it's

computers from all over the world so

listen to something crypto

cannot exist

crypto will never take off and become

significant without government backing

i mean that that might be the case now

but i'm saying bitcoin already exists

cryptocurrency yeah but bitcoin is not

traded bitcoin is a

bitcoin is not something people trade in

bitcoin is an asset people use to store

their money but they can trade if they

chose to that's just it's completely

inefficient to do it it's it could never

it couldn't even replace gold in the

past gold coins and by the way all

coinage in history was that's what

governments did governments had a

monopoly on coinage one of the

elementary things that defines a

government was monopoly of coinage it's

never been done privately

okay

i mean but that's that's with prior

technology we have even with today's

technology

even with today's technology

i'm gonna give you the situation right

now

cryptocurrency

can only measure itself in regards to

fiat currencies specifically the dollar

so crypto has not yet actually replaced

fiat or state-backed currencies and

you're not going to see a situation in

which

fiat simply collapses and there's just

crypto because all

money

regardless it has nothing to do with

technology money is inherently tied to

politics money is inherently tied to

polities

that's why every state had a monopoly on

coinage in the past it's not just

because of technology

non-state entities could have possessed

the same technology too

it's just that when you're trading

sovereign ownership of coinage

is about taxation that's why money came

into being in the first place it wasn't

just because people were trading for no

reason

so you're so you're against

cryptocurrency that's what you're saying

no i'm not i'm not against it

i'm just saying

cryptocurrency

is going to be the future but it's not

going to be the future in the form of

we're just going to have bitcoin and no

nothing else cryptocurrency will

probably

take off in some kind of fusion between

state banks like the chinese state

central bank and the blockchain

technology

but it's not going to happen with just

you know the the dollar is going to

disappear and the current monetary order

is just going to proof disappear

overnight and it's just going to be uh

cryptocurrencies

okay so for example el salvador is

adopting or trying to adopt bitcoin as

their as their official currency so what

you're saying is it's not possible for

them to do that that's what you're

saying

no i don't think el salvador is adopting

it as their official currency i think

they're just doing something they're

recognizing it or something like that

but el salvador's estate

yeah i understand but i'm saying i'm

using them as a large scale example and

it's a state integrated within the

global post-bretton woods global economy

and now the pr petrodollar global

economy

okay well i mean we're in this you know

free market yeah as someone in my chat

points out el salvador's currency is

also backed by the dollar

yeah

countries

when by the way the country's leading

this effort are socialistic aligned

countries like venezuela

china and of course russia which is not

socialists in iran which is not so but

they're aligned with those countries

cuba all those countries are showing

interest

and getting off of reliance upon the us

dollar

in order to possess more national

sovereignty and and focusing more on

cryptocurrencies but it's not just going

to be bitcoin there's probably going to

be something new

yeah i mean it's hard to debate i'm just

trying to explain to you the decisive

significance of states

in relationship to the possibility of

what you call an economy or a free

market

i understand it

it's hard to debate this with people

because obviously i have to use

hypotheticals in a

sense because there's no free market

society that we live in now so of course

there's never been one in the history of

mankind when you're using examples of

what exists now so there's never there's

never one that existed in the history of

mankind either

yeah i know because there's people that

always want power and and like like and

then it turns into a state but at what

point do you just stop complaining about

that you just accept that a state is an

objective reality which cannot be

childishly wished away but must be

soberly accepted

and dealt with and actually confronted

as a reality at what point do you draw

the line and say

maybe it is futile to try and completely

eliminate the state or abolish the state

maybe i should recognize that the state

at least the one we have now is an

objective one

and must be respected

on those terms the state is objective

and therefore undergoes its own

development in an objective way

you can pretend this state doesn't exist

so you can close your ears and close

your mouth and pretend nothing exists

but ultimately

states exist and they even survive

the destruction of governments

stalin has a great quote he says the

hitlers of history come and go

but the german people and the german

state survive

and stalin said this because even

despite the nazi takeover of germany

the german state its continuity of laws

its continuity of governor governorship

its continuity of history somehow

survives objectively even when the nazis

collapse the continuity of the german

state

is continued

so there's something objective about

states yeah i'm not saying states are

not producible to the current

government you have

the current government or the current

state machinery that's in place

is not the same as a the state as a real

and objective historical continuity

yeah i'm not necessarily saying to

abolish it outright i'm saying diminish

it to a point where it's not the state

that we recognize that it is now i agree

with that but i think only a communist

party can do that

but but china can't be your example then

because china's uh very large

uh but that's the dialectic china's a

very large state which also diminishes

uh the state bureaucratic red tape it's

a dialectic it's not one or the other

it's not black or white

you can't have a large state and also

say that that large state provides

individual freedoms you precisely can i

am precisely saying that contradiction

though it's not a contradiction

whatsoever it's a perfectly reconciled

reality within china

well i'm not saying china is a perfect

society but it's reconciled within china

china has a very big and powerful state

and it also has a minimalistic state

very pro people state when it comes to

uh

grassroots local and the the little guy

being able to participate in the economy

there's multiple examples of it china is

a very pro-people economy when it comes

to

taxation at the local level of small

traders uh trading their farm produce

there's so many policies implemented or

i should say policies removed that just

allow people to get on and live their

life without all this intervention and

haranguing and harassment by these big

states taxes are low in china for people

you know it's like

but you need a very strong and powerful

state to make all that possible

yeah but taxes still exist and of course

they do they have to exist

yeah but taxes in and of itself saying

that taxes are lower in china than the

us for example doesn't mean doesn't mean

anything

listen let me tell you something a state

without taxes is no state at all

well yeah obviously the

the you know the governments are going

to force but you told me that your goal

is to minimize the state not to abolish

it well if a state is is existing

there's gonna be taxes

yeah but the taxes aren't

small in comparison to like the average

person's income it's still it's still 30

you know 30 20 no taxes in china are

very small for regular ordinary people

they're very small

so you're saying it doesn't impact them

whatsoever economically the individual i

don't really think it does in china no

so what are the taxes how low are they

i think it depends on the region and the

locale but

the chinese taxes are not a burden for

ordinary people there are other burdens

but taxes are not one of them

okay so overall what you're saying is

you don't so you don't disagree with

libertarians in the sense that the u.s

state is sort of uh not in a great state

you don't disagree there it's not a what

like the you don't disagree that the us

the united states is not in a great

place you don't disagree there no i

don't disagree

you're saying that

libertarians can't can't aren't they're

more utopian in the sense that there's

no way to be

that's my point my point is not that

libertarians have ill intentions

it's that they're too utopian

about their intentions they're utopian

in the same way you have utopian

communists who think that you can just

eliminate markets or commodities

overnight and you can just have uh no

you know um private private anything

overnight

and who think that the state can be

abolished overnight so i consider it the

same type of utopianism

yeah well i don't necessarily think the

state can be abolished overnight i don't

even think you can abolish the state as

it currently is now there's no

individual

libertarian that's strong enough to be

able to dismantle the united states for

example but you can cut down on policies

and and uh you know large government red

tape that we have now so okay i don't

disagree but i what i disagree about is

how that would be done

i mean i guess in the the current system

you would have to have politicians that

agree to cutting down you know like ron

paul for example he he was really

against uh you know a lot of but what

happened to him

what what happened to ron paul

well i mean obviously the the the the

deep state's gonna

um you know

just do the same thing they did to

bernie but yeah

that's exactly

it yeah but i'm saying we could

hypothetically have let me tell you

another critique i have of ron paul it

wasn't just the deep state

ron paul was never able to muster the

ability to build

a genuine

people's movement and alternative

because ron paul was basically just a

kind of conservative in the sense that

he just was against encroachments that

the government was making but he never

proposed an alternative

government

vision of his own

well i think in some of his uh you know

writings and whatnot he has mentioned

more of his ideal uh right but i'll give

you an example trump for example

i am against trump obviously but the

reason trump was successful and ron paul

wasn't was because trump

built some kind of movement

with some kind of specific vision about

state power one that i disagree with to

preface but that's why ron paul was

unsuccessful compared to trump

okay i mean

but trump was

trump is just an establishment of course

of course i agree

but

my point my the point i'm trying to say

is that

i don't think that you're going to be

able to

break

the you uh

current reigning monopoly capital

in collusion with the state i don't

think you're going to be able to cut

down on the state bureaucracy and

red tape that exists both on the federal

and state level and all this ugly

corruption i don't think you're going to

be able to get rid of this without a

strong

and powerful uh

people's movement

and

my idea for this movement is a communist

revived communist party

i mean from what you're saying it

doesn't sound too bad if you're telling

me that the state can

can you know

is not going to be corrupt and they're

going to be able to facilitate

individuals to be able to trade yeah

definitely a peaceful state a state that

serves the people and allows the people

to flourish

instead of keeping them down

i mean it sounds like it sounds

idealistic in a sense because i don't

think that's what actually happens in

reality it's probably uh sort of the

what like china for example that's what

they pitch but i'm not sure that's how

it actually works well it's not not in a

one-sided way because like i said there

does exist corruption in china but there

also exists anti-corruption campaigns

i am not of the view that you're going

to create a utopia and then everything's

gonna be fine it's an active process

which never ends

so you're saying a sort of a small

revolution every single time there's a

there's a batch of corruption sure not

not just every time there's a batch of

corruption but whenever there's a

consolidation of some kind of

establishment in general yes you do have

a social

rev or cultural revolution

but this revolution doesn't always have

to lead to the overthrow or collapse of

the state it can be a more subtle type

of revolution like the revolution of the

xi era recently and this is a revolution

that's happening in china now it's just

not one that's resulted in violence or

the complete overthrow of the chinese

state

all right well i mean from what in

maorism there's an idea

of a antagonistic and non-antagonistic

contradiction in a non-antagonistic

contradiction you still have a great

struggle

and you still have a conflict but it

doesn't realize itself in overt and

explicit forms of violence and

conflict and all this and direct armed

conflict and even street conflict and

this kind of stuff it's a more subtle

type of struggle

and conflict

all right well i mean it sounds great

again it sounds great but your what

you're explaining to me now could be

just as idealistic as a libertarian

society i think it's less but the reason

i think it's less idealistic

is because despite that china is not a

perfect society

china exists and it's an example we can

look to as a way as a society that has

more or less succeeded in this

well i would need proof for that but you

can i recommend you learn more about

china then

if you want to see an example of a

successful

version of a society that i'm talking

about and by the way this isn't my ideal

i'm saying all this because i learned

from china and how it works

i don't see entrepreneurs from all over

the world moving to china

because they're not chinese china's

china exists for the chinese people

okay so you're saying that and so you so

the chinese state can stifle

individuals from moving

across borders you're saying so so no

i'm just saying china doesn't have an

obligation to make the country more

amicable to foreigners rather than its

own people yeah i'm not saying it has to

but i'm saying that they are stifling a

potential

uh uh i guess interaction i don't think

so that would otherwise i guess i don't

think so because

china china's cities for example are

very diverse and full of people from

foreign countries but here's the thing

most countries in this world are not

like america where it's like a melting

pot and everyone all across the world

comes and moves there

moving to another country is hard you

have to learn their culture you have to

learn their language you have to learn

all this kind of customs and stuff

america doesn't really have its own

particular culture so that's why it's

easy for people to move across the world

to america because in america it's kind

of a culturally neutral place

but it's much harder to move

to china it's much harder to move to the

middle east it's much harder to move to

india it's much harder to move to

uh

you know uh even russia it's hard to

move to eastern europe it's hard to move

to europe too in general and we see

we see the immense conflict that

immigration has created in western

europe so

not everywhere is going to be like

america where people are you know all

across the world are moving there

yeah of course but i'm saying if so yeah

because they're stifling individuals

like no that's not it's not and it's not

because the government is stifling

individuals just because it's a

different place with a different people

a different culture a different language

different values a different way of life

yeah of course i understand their

justification for it what i'm saying

though is no it's not a justification

it's an objective fact even if there's

no there's no government in somalia is

it okay to move there

i mean a person can move there i'm not

sure they can

but is the government is the

non-existent government in somalia

stopping people from going there or

maybe it's because there's other reasons

well i mean people might not want to

move there because there's it's not

going to be profitable okay but if

but if it was profitable people would

move there

listen the idea of open borders existing

freely unmitigated movement of peoples

word not for government restrictions is

a myth there's no such thing because let

me tell you something

to even travel

you need where airplanes are out of the

question because

airports and all that kind of stuff

there's no those don't exist without

governments right air travel regulation

all that kind of stuff that's not

possible at governments so we would have

to travel by boat

it's just not economical for people to

just do that at the scale you're talking

about it's not

i mean i don't know why you would say

that there would be no airflow air

travel with that there wouldn't because

we don't want to get in this discussion

because first of all airport security

you need federal state regulations

uh regulations about aircraft being safe

you need federal regulations and before

you say let the free market decide i

don't think [ __ ] people

want to be the test subjects to see

which planes work and which ones don't i

think they just want the planes to

[ __ ] work before they even think

about stepping foot on them i mean if if

a company is known to have bad airplanes

people would stop yeah but how are you

going to be known to have bad airplanes

if not

you know people stepping on you know

someone's going to have to be sacrificed

and i don't think people want to be

sacrificed yeah

listen do you we look i'm trying to help

you even though i don't have any

obligation to like i said in the

beginning i'm trying to help you right

now please do not try to sit here and

argue for a free market of airplanes

okay

we can go here because okay okay we have

to okay let's go here then please let's

go here all right well first people

already die in airplanes now okay but

much more would die if there was a free

market of airplanes

yes i do know that because the [ __ ]

federal regulations which are a burden

and expense on these companies would not

be in place and you would see a lot of

tragedies and horrible things happening

that just don't need to exist

there are markets out there that there

are

it's less expensive to make a shitty

plane than one that complies with

federal regulations so yeah someone

somewhere along the line there's going

to be a problem okay

yeah but what i'm saying is we would

have more efficient planes no you

wouldn't

i don't know

a plane is a very student a plane is a

very simple [ __ ] do you even know

like how planes are made do you actually

think planes are like fruit you think

planes are like no planes require a lot

of institutional

infrastructure just to make them require

so much of that right

yeah and that alone relies on the

government the institutions that educate

all this the network everything you need

government to make planes you know there

are private plane companies now right

like this isn't some abstract yes i know

they're private but i'm saying they

can't exist without the government

i mean the government is currently

involved in all of these things okay we

can agree okay but then if we if we get

to the piece by piece every single way

in which they're dependent on the quote

unquote current government

at one point you're gonna find yourself

having to stretch to say that private

companies can replace everything

yeah i mean again

you can't prove your statement you i

mean it can sound great i'm trying to

have a reasonable common sense

discussion with you i don't want listen

i don't want to have to get to the point

of proof because it's going to be so

humiliating for you so let's just focus

on common sense all right all right

we'll just move on all right

let's focus on common sense all right a

free market of airplanes is a very silly

idea

okay okay all right well in that case

like i said i even if it does have to

come to a point where the government

would have to put

you know regulation in place it would be

very simple it would not be you know

thousands and thousands of pages of laws

i don't know to what extent

federal aviation regulations

are too burdensome or not

i think it would have to be investigated

but

i'm just trying to tell you that we got

to this point because i talked about how

air travel

can't exist without governments

yeah again if we're if we're going to

say i just want to strip down as much

regulation as possible so if you're

telling me that air travel has to have

government then let's have some

regulation in place okay

but then my point my point was

government is not stifling people from

moving to china

because if there is no government within

china there wouldn't even be any

airplanes to be able to travel there

okay but i mean i'm talking about what

exists now so we have

travel now

so what i'm saying is even if we had a

situation where the united states okay

how is china stifling

people from moving it doesn't make any

sense to me

what is it stifling then why does china

so you think you're entitled to china

that's my issue right now you're not

entitled to china's territory i'm not

saying china has to do anything i'm

saying objectively china so china's

stifling your rights your natural

god-given rights

by making it harder for you to move to

china and make a living there

yeah i mean if no because china doesn't

[ __ ] belong to you

yeah i mean what i'm saying is

china is objectively stifling an

entrepreneur's ability to move there if

they chose okay but that entrepreneur

that entrepreneur has no entitlement to

the territory of china

yeah but what ha why does why does the

state get to determine that

because states serve the people and

states define the extent to which people

own their country or you're saying the

average person you're saying countries

should no longer exist and businessmen

should be able to carve up the world

according to how much money they have at

the expense of people's

tradition you realize states and borders

borders right borders are defined by war

borders are defined

by sacrifice borders are divided by

history tradition culture

all of this is meaningless to you

i mean i don't necessarily i think the

individual right for people to be able

to move freely is more important than

everything you just mentioned who

guarantees this right if not a

supraglobal state of some kind which

dissolves the realities of each and

every nation and country into thin air

and says that it's a free-for-all

i mean again

we would go to hypothetical and that

question would lead us to hypothetical

situations this is not listen people

will never accept this

people will never accept this the people

will never accept this

again i'm not saying make the entire

world uh stateless i'm saying we can

start with the us for example or even if

the u.s isn't not in good you need to

realize anomaly

you're a citizen of america

america is your home

you have a say in america china does not

belong to you you have no right to china

you have no right to any other country

okay so yeah i mean this is the country

you are legally a citizen of

yeah that's that's how it is right now

yeah this is the country

you have tradition and your culture and

your whole being comes from just like

your mother gave birth to you

that's your mother this is the land that

gave birth to you

you understand i mean you're you're

saying that but land i mean this is just

a dirt a piece of land it's not no it's

the land that gave birth to you it's the

air you breathe it's the food you eat

it's the place you grew up in it's the

people you know it's everything i've

defined i've lived i've lived in like 10

different countries before okay i was

born here well then then it's a matter

of the laws because we need some kind of

laws to determine this

what i'm saying is i was able to travel

maybe you're less homegrown than others

but legally speaking you're an american

okay

so what that doesn't mean that we have

we shouldn't have the ability to move

you have no business in any other

country in terms of having the right to

do this or that that's up to the people

of that country

and its government

and the government that they

ascend to

okay

yeah but that doesn't necessarily take

your is that you're making it seem like

nations and states don't exist

and that's fine and well ideally but to

a chinese person you're a foreigner

you come from a foreign state and a

foreign country

so for you to say you want to have

the unconditional right

to do whatever you want in china as an

entrepreneur at the expense of the

chinese people right i'm not saying i'm

not forcing it on them i'm saying that

i'm saying but you're saying they're

stifling your right and you have a right

to china

no you don't have any such right

no i'm saying i should have the right to

to be able to move to wherever i want

i'm not saying that i i you but i should

you should how could it be a right if

it's just a matter of should

i mean we can think right okay then what

is it right is right then if it's just

should then according to your own words

a right is something rather than natural

and god-given something purely

instantiated in the state's recognition

the state grants you your rights and

you're not rights you're saying you

should have the right rather than you

have the right

if you should have the right who's going

to give you that right

well i mean right now it would be the

state obviously but that's because so

who will give you the right

what

who will give you the right

well i mean right now it's the state

right

so you want the state to give you the

right as an entrepreneur to

move to china and do whatever you want

well objectively that's what how it

would work right if someone wants to

move to the u.s the u.s has to accept

them i'm saying countries should be able

or should allow people to be able to

move wherever they want

why

the chinese state exists for the chinese

people

yeah but i don't know those were the

people it actually has a material

foundation in and it knows and it's

accustomed to

and it came from

the chinese state

has nothing to do with people

you're you're basically a chinese state

has nothing to do with people living in

idaho

yeah but you're basically romanticizing

like someone's birthplace which i'm not

romanticizing it i'm telling you the

plain truth

yeah but a state estate doesn't is not

just an abstraction it doesn't come out

of thin air a state comes from a people

and it's a reflection of a people

like you look in the mirror that's a

reflection of you a state is a

reflection of a people i mean explain

the us then because cities that i live

in this the us is the best example

because the us is a state which pretends

to be completely abstract universal but

as we can see it's a highly racialized

state it's a highly culturalized state

it has highly particular features

anglo-american feature features

african-american latino american you

know all of these

specific determinate people define the

american state yeah but when i but the

pla the cities i live in i see people

from all across the world

but your cities are not the majority

the majority of the american people

whether they're black white or latino

have culture tradition and roots here

okay i mean i'm not seeing this i'm not

sure you may be the country folk maybe

you're not seeing this do you know that

black people have roots and tradition in

uh the black belt which is what it's

called historically in the south the

black belt

and that uh did you know that do you

know about appalachia do you know about

how the countryside is the other half of

the whole [ __ ] population and that

the people in the cities by and large

came from the countryside and that yes

there's other immigrants and foreigners

and stuff

yeah i mean maybe people aren't freely

moving but that doesn't necessarily mean

that they can't and that they shouldn't

be able to do not know what is the

american state do you know what the

american state is

what do you mean by that it's built

after the civil war the state as we know

it

yeah okay

what defined the south durham before

during the civil war before the

slaveocracy

yeah slave owners owning slaves the

plantation economies all this stuff all

of these are national particularities

which define the fabric of the american

state

so no the american state is not just an

abstraction

okay well again

you used uh you know you use these areas

of the regions of the us as examples but

like i said what you're saying is like

what joe biden said joe biden said

america is the only country founded on

an idea it's not true

it's not founded on an idea

there's a material objective

reality okay again

the point is every place i'm using my

common sense what i've seen from my

existence i see people from all over the

world in the cities i live in and and

those are cities there's people from all

over the world in shanghai there's

people but that's that doesn't reflect

the country

i mean it's part of a country

but that's not that's not the material

basis of a state the country is

a country the people even though it's

meant by the people what is meant by the

people

is not uh

college student baristas

the people is meant by the people the

real people

so you're saying city people don't exist

that's what you're saying

no but

listen i don't want to have a

geographical conversation about because

it's complicated

cities in america are what they call

megalopolises

if they're not just cities they're also

uh they have their own dynamic of

sub-alterns and metropoles like la for

example l.a

la's black and latino communities are

not cosmopolitan

you know people from all over the world

but they're in cities but they're not

cosmopolitan

i mean yeah maybe that's the case that's

probably true but so cities

what i'm trying to tell you is that

the majority of any given country is not

going to be people from all over the

world

all i'm saying is countries should

replicate what cities how cities are

where we're at that could that it's not

possible and never be possible

it might not be because even cities

themselves replicate the dynamics of

countryside versus metropole

inevitably even cities do that

as exam

for example new york and l.a and these

big megalopolises

i mean that might be true even cities

develop their own countryside

of

quote unquote homogeneous cultural

communities

which is not this kind of uh

melting pot

i don't care about

the sake of culture or anything like

that i'm saying an individual who wants

to profit who wants to make money should

be able to move it wherever they want so

that they can you know they can start

businesses why should they

what claims do they have on that land

well i mean again in in this reality we

do you know that a businessman

has feet

this feet

walks over something not thin air

it's called land

who owns land how is that land owned

the problem of the tension

landed property has posed

capitalism

is an issue so significant the whole

school of classical political economy

was built

in an attempt to address and resolve

this problem how can we get

how can we solve the issue of land how

can we make the land part of the free

market and they've never succeeded

yeah i mean i can agree with you that

it's a difficult concept to to think up

but doesn't necessarily mean that we

shouldn't be thinking of these things

and outright just letting the state

no i just thought of it now but it's so

stupid that it went out the other ear

oh okay

well i mean i'm probably not the first

libertarian that you've talked to so you

you are i think you are

okay well i mean again my my whole point

is that individuals should have rights

you can't tell me what to do just like i

can't tell you what to do an individual

is part of a greater whole

just like you have a mother and you

didn't give birth to yourself

okay but now i exist and i shouldn't and

i should have the right to do what i

want and you should have the right to do

what you want i shouldn't have to i

shouldn't be you can there is no such

thing as an unconditional right to do

whatever you want

yeah it doesn't exist now but it can

never exist

i mean it can and no it can't because in

addition

to social

limit and not only familial and communal

but also social restrictions on the

sphere of doing what you want to do

there's also objective and natural ones

okay it's very childish what you're

saying i mean what i'm saying is

conceptually so you're telling me i

should be able to come down and tell you

what to do i should be able to rule over

you is what you're saying

if i what do you mean by that

if i happen to be no you're an

individual a state is not an individual

i mean individuals aren't the only ones

that rule over other people in the sense

that corporations do

corporations also do that families do

too

yeah families do too exactly so so i

mean i guess to a sense families you

have to have that but what i'm saying is

me as an individual should not have to

force you to do anything

you should be able to do what you want

you okay wait wait wait but here's the

issue you as an individual are a private

interest so for you to exercise your

authority over me another private

individual would mean that you're using

you're exercising some arbitrary power

to circle to limit and stiffen

and in this undignified way

my

private interests even though we're both

equals

but a state is not a private interest

it's precisely not a private interest so

if the state is not a private interest

it does not act over you as though

another private individual

is my job as a private individual is to

do what

it's to live my life make a living

find a girl

marry her have a family raise kids

whatever right just like you you're a

man that's what you're here for right

okay yeah

that's not the state's job the state's

job

is to make sure we have a society that

makes this possible

okay so if a state is ruling over me

it's not the same as if you another just

some other man ruling over me but but

individuals exercise the state power to

rule over us so individuals are the ones

that are coming down and for enforcing

this on us it's not the concept of

individual actors are the instrument of

state no states are not reducible to

individuals they're not

i mean but who's who are the ones that

are actually implementing these things

it's no single one person

i mean it might not be but that police

officer that arrest you he he represents

the state but yeah he's the one you're

right forcing

he's the one enforcing it yeah

but the whole state's power is not now

possible to him so now i see that as an

individual a state is a shared

convention external convention

metaphysics of uh statehood and its true

substance

is an old topic is the state just a

collection of individuals or is it a

super organic whole

that individuals are merely a part of

this is a kind of metaphysical question

but if we rely on our common sense we

can see the state is not just

individuals or the sum total of private

individual interests it's some kind of

external objective interest

um i mean you can say that but i'm

saying individuals don't see it that way

when it happens to them if a police

officer of course but this is here's the

the kicker here one of the reasons for

that is because in america for example

we all see the state as a private

interest

that we see the government specifically

as a private interest we don't see it as

a people state we see it as a government

completely alienated from any of us it

doesn't serve our interests it serves

the interests of men in dark suits who

we will never have any idea who they are

uh

and we they exist at our expense

this is how

people see the state in uh capitalistic

uh or you don't like that word uh

monopolistic uh imperialistic countries

okay i mean yeah i don't totally

disagree with that but

but what i'm saying so you're saying

countries like china don't do that is

what you're saying i don't think so no i

don't think i think in china there's a

strong sense that it is a people state

it's a state that exists for whose only

existence is to serve the people

so when that individual cop kills or and

arrests a chinese citizen for whatever

reason you know what often happens in

china is that when a cop is bothering a

person

crowds of people will gather around and

basically tell the cop what are you

doing

you know how long

happens in america though not really

i mean the the the protests like over

the summer last year that that's that

was over one instance that's just

because that was the boiling point

because that happened so often in

america

i mean i wasn't the only one though

there's been others no i know but the

protests i'm not talking about massive

street protests i think about the fact

that in china they don't have the same

culture of cops arbitrarily bothering

people for no reason now there was an

example of that that i knew of earlier

in the 2000s and early 2010s

there was migrants from the chinese

countryside who would reside in uh

cities without huko permits

and there was a specific police force

that was pretty hard on them

but the chinese people are uh

you know they they have an internal

discussion and debate about these things

and uh i'm not familiar with the same

thing happening anymore

okay well i mean you you're saying these

things and it sounds great in face value

but i don't think that's how it actually

turns out in reality i think a lot of

times people still no i'm telling you

the reality

i'm telling you the reality the reality

is china's not perfect i'm sure when

people in china are arrested it doesn't

feel good

but it's not the same they don't but

here's the thing especially in asian

countries in general

if you're arrested in china

you do not experience this as one other

man

unjustly exercising themselves over you

there's a profound social shame

accompanying it it's the whole society

is against you you as an individual did

something wrong and society's punishing

you like when you're in school when

you're in elementary school you get

embarrassed in front of the whole class

is one individual embarrassing you no

you're you're you you feel ashamed in

front of everyone in front of everything

yeah i mean i agree that asian countries

tend to be more collectivistic but that

doesn't necessarily mean

that uh individuals still don't feel

uh impacted by

state you know state force

they still do okay but state force in

china does not exist as a separate

individual private interest it's a

organic collective national interest of

the whole people i mean that's what

that's what the government says but that

doesn't mean that it's but in china no

one says as an individual i am the

people the people are the greater whole

the people is someone i don't know who

lives in a province i've never been to

that's the people the people is

something bigger than you even though

you're a part of it you're not a part of

it in a way that is immediately clear to

you so you're saying that legally or

you're saying that no one in general in

general so you're saying people in the

u.s for example don't feel that they

don't feel a community you're saying

locals don't have community is that what

you're saying i think there is a

incredibly diminishing

sense of community within the united

states especially

yeah but i mean that's like that's sort

of some a metric that you're measuring

like like out in the open right you're

not re there's nothing on paper that can

measure that you disagree

well i mean i i agree that china is

probably more collectivistic than us's

just how i think that americans are

especially among the countries in the

world

have a terminal sense of lacking any

community

yeah i mean that might be true america

tends to be more individual

individualistic but that doesn't

necessarily mean

that when in again when impacted by a

state state for state action that

individuals still don't see it so hold

on individual like a chinese person

doesn't say hey i was arrested by the

cops but you know they don't they still

see that cop that arrested them as an

individual

they don't see it no because i mean um

maybe in a case of corruption where

there's like a few personal feud with a

cop

and that might be the case but in

general no i mean no not really they're

going to see it as you got and you ran

afoul with the law as they say in

america

you know no one no one just think

individualizes everything

okay but anyway anomaly

yeah you sent me an email

you said you're going to quickly destroy

me

well i mean it's been two hours

it's been two hours okay

so at least we can agree unambiguously

that you got half of it wrong you didn't

quickly

destroy whether you destroyed me i'll

leave it for the chat to decide i

strongly suspect you didn't do that

well i mean your chat's gonna always

agree with you okay but i personally

strongly suspect that neither

you

nor anyone else could ever honestly come

to the conclusion you destroyed me in

anything

well i mean in these sort of

conversations destroy is sort of a do

you have

a so i'm gonna ask you now

okay you came on here with the purpose

of quickly destroying me

okay

do you have a trick up your sleeve that

i haven't heard for the past two hours

that's going to destroy me

uh i mean

i mean we can talk about something else

i'm not give me your hammer give me the

punch that's going to destroy me because

you promised to come on here and destroy

me that's what you promised to do yeah i

mean you promised to do it quickly and

you failed to do that for the past two

hours so in good faith i'm just gonna

assume you've been saving it so please

let me hear the destruction

all right well uh what i'm gonna say is

i'm gonna the united states

will

i hope the united states in my ideal

world the u.s will be you know more of a

libertarian country like i said that

doesn't destroy me whatsoever

less laws

and and i would like to see the united

states

you know they're going to still be the

hegemon power you know they're going to

okay how old are you how old are you

i'm 23.

ah

i was hoping you said like you were

gonna say like 17

16

no no that makes this more painful my

friend

i mean wait how old are you

i'm only about a year or two older than

you

okay let me tell you something i can't

believe i have to act like an old man

like your father giving you advice

do not send someone an email promising

to destroy them

when you don't even know who the [ __ ]

they are and are not familiar with

anything they've ever said

yeah i just had some of your fans in my

disciples

i don't care i'm not controlling my fans

i control myself you're an individualist

right so be consistent

going to make an ass of yourself i don't

know why i'm showing you all this mercy

because i could be going hard on you

right now but you caught me at it when

i'm in a merciful mood

so i'm just going to give you this

advice

don't be acting stupid anomaly

what do you mean

don't be don't be talking all this [ __ ]

and then coming short

i mean when you say i mean but how you

would never admit to being destroyed if

even if it even if you perceive it i

would never use that language to someone

i don't know i tell the bread to people

i'm gonna destroy them because i do know

who they are i'm very familiar with what

they say and i'm very confident i'm

gonna destroy them

so you're saying that so you so have you

ever admitted to a defeat have you ever

lost

i've never lost the debate yeah have you

ever lost a debate never

yeah so you would never admit it even if

you did if if another case no because

i've admitted i was wrong about specific

points before

yeah but it doesn't mean that you

conceded the debate entirely

no i've never conceded a debate

yeah exactly so you'll always say that

you won so i mean you can't extrapolate

that that's the that's the black swan

myth fallacy right just because you've

never seen a black swan means there is

none no you just never seen one no i

mean i haven't gone through all your

debates but i'm guessing there's

probably no i'm trying to say that even

if i never lose a debate in my life

that doesn't mean

i i i'm unwilling to concede that i lost

one if i do lose one in the future

i mean you i mean based on the past yes

anomaly i get it it's about personal

pride i'm trying to give you the advice

don't put your [ __ ] pride on the line

like this and say you're going to

destroy someone because we're going to

steal your manhood and take it away and

make you look like a [ __ ] idiot

i mean

don't gamble with your manhood

i don't think you could ever have a

debate with the libertarian where you

think you would have lost i don't think

you could i think you would always think

you won

i don't care what you think i'm trying

to give you this advice

okay

is that it don't gamble with your

manhood

i don't think i did don't gamble with

your yes you did you did precisely that

don't gamble with your dignity i could

have been way meaner to you this whole

thing

i mean you could have been if you wanted

to yeah

i know you see how i treat the bread to

people

yeah i know

so don't gamble with your manhood

because somebody not me somebody's gonna

make you look really stupid and

humiliate you in front of 300 people

i mean i do i do like these

conversations right because i learned

new things i didn't know how much you're

okay

oh every i agree you didn't know

yeah

okay so some of the things you said

sounded good about china you know and

whatnot and and so

that stuff i'll look into it but okay

look into it

and i guess that's that's when we find

out who won actually right because if no

we know debates happen during debates

not after the debate

i mean yeah that's true but

i mean still i mean people out there

listening will determine i guess you're

right i agree the people listening will

determine

yeah so all right well i mean it was

good nice talking to you okay

all right

i don't think he's 23 i think that's

that's like he can't be 23.

he can't be twenty three

char uh

what happened to sharks eat gorillas you

know but it's because

it's my fans apparently giving him a

hard time bothering him

don't throw that on me

blaze with the 25 holy [ __ ] blaze

donated 25

another easy dub

thank you so much blaze appreciate it

appreciate it holy [ __ ] thank you dude

sovereign thank you for the gifted sub

ah man thank you sovereign appreciate it

man

appreciate it

ah man

wow

ah

it's [ __ ] guys you should see the

weather outside i'm glad i didn't go

work out

there's a tornado siren going off right

now

and it's [ __ ] thunderstorming and

[ __ ] so

in the middle of stream if i go

let's start flying and spinning all over

the place

you know why

i don't know what the [ __ ] is going on

aliens are invading while i'm doing this

all right stardust i saw your thing

start us i'll go on your panel what do

you have you have a panel to debate

pizza

i'll go on it

when is it invite me to it when it i am

i'm not going to be streaming

like after eleven eleven pm is the

latest i'm gonna be streaming today

so

can be before then

tornado debate 8 30 p.m

yeah i can make that within two hours i

can make that

two hours and 30 minutes

i'll make it

dude

i'm actually super glad [ __ ]

i don't know

i'm gonna blow my nose one sec

one set

oh man

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you gonna send me a friend request all

right gotcha gotcha

gotcha

with congress

i think there's a ufo invasion going on

outside now

yeah so apparently congress found

get this guys

19 of like the 100 and something cases

where from

they're saying it's an advanced tech

technology they have no idea

how it's possible

but what i think is gonna

happen is that they're not it's not

gonna be about aliens they're gonna say

it's russian in chinese

uh

it's russian and chinese um

russian and chinese

technology super tech yeah russian and

chinese super tech

it's gonna be like a new cold war scare

you know america's super weird

there's some kind of psychosis going on

they said that in the embassy

get this

that in the american embassies in cuba

china and russia

there's a

some kind of sound technology to make

people sick using sound waves

sonar weapons

and that

people in american embassies are getting

sick because the cubans have this uh

technology

[Laughter]

havana syndrome yeah

so it seems like this is a declining

empire

a declining empire you know we've got

ufo hysteria we've got the

havana syndrome sonar technology

yeah when i lived in china i got an

alert about that

are you going to cover the trump rally

today is it allowed

it's the question is it allowed trump is

banned on twitch so i don't know if i

can actually cover it

yeah he's banned on twitch

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you can are you sure

you positive

what we're gonna do right now is check

the reddit

hassan did it

yeah but hassan gets like [ __ ]

preferential

treatment you know

hassan gets [ __ ] preferential

whatever

so let me see

how much longer do you think the empire

will last

i don't know i can't predict that i have

no way of predicting that at all

condescending labor candidate we're

sigma george galloway let's check this

out

i will be a passionate supporter for the

rights of the palestinian people

they've been subjected to decades of

oppression violence and the denial of

their human rights this is wrong it is

horrific and uh george galloway well i

googled

my parliamentary election opponents and

put in the word palestine

and discovered that none of them had

ever said or done anything on palestine

before this election began

i only

have spent

50 years fighting for the palestinian

people yeah i mean what i would like to

say is you've been a loud voice on

palestine george absolutely but what

difference have you actually made and

what difference could you make as a lone

voice in parliament but let's be clear

you will be that low invoice in

parliament because there's no way that

you're going to win this election what

you're actually going to do is

facilitate a conservative mp getting on

the benches next to boris johnson a

party that's got issues around

islamophobia that is not what the muslim

community of batolin spend need it's the

last thing they need they need a strong

labor voice in parliament to challenge

within the labour party where

appropriate and to get things done you

will make no difference whatsoever

my opponent says i will make no

difference whatsoever which is i think a

tacit accepted sigma mail music

i'm going to be the mp if you think i

will make no difference whatsoever you

haven't been paying attention you

absolutely

holy [ __ ]

oh god

is this this is recent

let's go workers party

this is forming a new party the workers

party

damn

what is this i'm pleased to present

the number one

selling book in america free to choose

it's number one on the new york times

bestseller list

what is this a pencil factory

oh [ __ ]

needs feet this was made by needs feet

vamos castillo let's watch it

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so

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there was a cool plan uncovered against

castillo

holy [ __ ]

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damn

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it's some corrupt rich xcia guy bribing

everyone from jail trying to get the

military to cool him

[ __ ]

it's the cost of bacon and the fact that

the middle class can't make it to the

next paycheck and the fact that several

thousand people in the automobile we're

gonna cover that bandits uh send me the

details on discord

we'll check it out

anarchism.jpg

maybe if it was under french colonial

rule back then now would be as liberal

as france and be easier to turn to

actual leftism instead of authoritarian

monarchy stalinism like what the [ __ ] am

i reading

what the [ __ ] am i [ __ ] reading

leader what

this has got to be a troll is the troll

maybe if it was under french colonial

rule

it would be as liberal as france and be

easier to turn to actual leftism

what

what the [ __ ] am i reading

this is lit it's a troll it's a troll

it's gotta be a troll gotta be a troll

look at how i say actual leftism

actual leftism

like we should care about actual leftism

dylan burns made a similar argument

yesterday in defense of the korean war

and destiny agreed oh my god disgusting

actual leftism

is dylan burns too scared to have me on

because he knows i would wipe the floor

with that whole panel if i was on if i

was on that panel they would not be

talking about the korean war like that

i'll tell you that

actual leftism which means [ __ ] what

libby livered lance must be our next

meal

this is a troll it's the same guy

this is just a mask off tanky red

fascist [ __ ] i don't know how you people

haven't shunned you from leftist

communities tankies

but people actually do think this way

i love how they think we care if they

think our life tankies are not leftist

although being leftist is virtuous

dude

the whole point is that leptism is

incidental nobody cares about trying to

be leftist that's the most stupid thing

ever

and by the way

someone who tries to be leftist is a

right winger

someone who cares about conforming to

the

form formal appearance of being a

leftist is a right winger because an

actual leftist just is a leftist it

doesn't have to care about

being an authentic leftist you just are

one

i don't you know i have nothing to do

with luna oi i have nothing to do with

her so i'm not gonna you know

say anything but

you know uh

when these people use the word

nationalism they don't know what they're

talking about they just know what

they're talking about

north koreans are they brainwashed or

are we

let me just tell you the truth

between north korea and south korea look

at the men who's more chad

who's more chad

just look north korea and south korea

who is the chad

who is the chad between those two

i'm sorry facts are facts

are facts

north koreans are tougher

more manly

they just look healthier in general

yeah this is john cerca unbanned on

twitch

dude ah [ __ ]

that's such good news but i don't know

why it's such good news to me

cause like it's not like i'm gonna have

time to watch him

but

damn dude i'm so glad twitch you know

why i think it's good news

because twitch just got so much better

honestly

twitch sucks twitch was going downhill

twitch was going downhill dude which was

going downhill the whole twitch

community is going to be better you know

like it's all going to be better you

know

that's what i think

sad

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you literally made a [ __ ] meme of it

what is it

oh my god dude holy [ __ ]

zurich is hos with better jeans

i'm banning you from the chat [ __ ] you

[ __ ]

no here's the thing

me and zurka

are two

entirely different people okay

you know don't don't make comparisons

here's the reason i can't talk [ __ ]

about zurich because

he's tall and wide he's both

so i just have to shut my mouth

basically you know

um

you don't understand

i'm a base sigma chad male that refuses

to eat bugs and live in a pod

i honestly don't think i'm mentally ill

uh you have severe anti-social disorder

with schizophrenic tendencies

i'm just based in schizo

what is that

i can't say [ __ ]

huh

that's me

the debate she posted the debate on

clowns

lol

she called the rights of marginalized

groups

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oh my god

hassanabi reacts to imran khan on china

oh boy more conflict between me and

hassan

oh boy

wrote an open letter to leaders of

muslim states asking them to unite

against islamophobia particularly in the

way so let me this is going to be a test

of hassan's character

here hassan you have a british

journalist trying to talk down to the

leader of pakistan about the muslim

world who is this british journalist to

talk about the muslim world so let's see

who hassan truly is let's watch

why did you feel the need to write that

public letter the problem is there's

this big communication gap between the

islamic world

and the western societies it happened

after 9 11 when the word islamic

terrorism came into currency

the moment you say islamic terrorism

the man in the street in the west thinks

that there's something in islam which

leads to terrorism or islam causes

radicalism

after 9 11 any time

some terrorist act went on where a

muslim was involved

the entire 1.3 billion muslims started

becoming targets

just across your border in western china

the chinese

the chinese government has imprisoned

more than one million

we go muslim he's like

good point about

um good point about the reactionary

point of view being launched in the uh

western world uh

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instead of talking about that let's go

back to what's going on in china it is

imran khan the pakistani pm who is 1 000

not going to criticize china there's no

shot

no

shot it's like you hassan won't

criticize aoc

because you're not going to be able to

play among us with her again

let's see let's see what he says in

re-education camps

the chinese government has tortured

muslims

forcibly sterilized them and they've

destroyed mosques in xinjiang and also

punished muslims for fasting praying

even giving muslim names to their

children

prime minister

why are you so outspoken about

islamophobia in europe and the united

states but totally silent

about the genocide of muslims in western

china what our conversations have been

with the chinese this is not the case

according to them the evidence is just

overwhelming

whatever damn he didn't even [ __ ]

deflect he literally just said

that's crazy

i should be happy with the child yeah

cause nobody [ __ ] knows that's why

he's saying he doesn't you know he i

don't know what you're talking about

because nobody knows what you're talking

about when you say this [ __ ]

nobody [ __ ] knows what you're talking

about

he's like well they've told us that as

in that's not the case and we have no

reason to think it's the case so we're

like where are you getting this from

he's like if you have evidence that

would be news to me we don't have any

evidence

chinese

we speak to them behind closed doors

china has been a great one of the

greatest friends to us in our most

difficult times when we were really

struggling our economy was struggling

china came to our rescue so

we respect the way they they are

and whatever issues we have we speak

behind closed doors how i think a more

honest answer is like

like why don't people just say this what

i'm about to say

what do you want me to do

like why doesn't he just literally say

what do you want me to do

you know what's disgusting about

hassan's chat they're all like being

cynical like oh pakistan just wants

china's money as though like imran khan

is personally pocketing everything

but do you know that when you're talking

about money and the relationship between

pakistan and china it's for pakistan's

economic development so that the

pakistani people can

flourish and develop and have access to

basic things that you take for granted

do you know that it's for the general

welfare of pakistani people so they can

have access to education clean drinking

water basic necessities that you take

for granted

why are you assuming it's like oh it's

just for money it's for yeah money

that's being put to work to build

infrastructure

to make life better for people in

pakistan across the board hey why is

that so cynical and bad and evil

what have you done what is your because

you're so since you're an american and

you're being cynical what is your imf

done for countries like pakistan when it

comes to that not a damn [ __ ] thing

and we can see that with the case of

india

america is not even doing anything and

hey hassan are you gonna go give money

and fund uh give charity to pakistani

people who are in poverty with your

[ __ ] 50k subs so shut up

about it they just bring it up as a

talking point

and they're not even doing anything

about it

what do you want me to denounce it so

that we can't be an effective trade

partner with china we don't have the

kind of power that america has and even

america is not

uh stopping their trade from china for

that respect but china could easily turn

around and be like yeah we're not gonna

we're not you realize that stopping

trade

is going to even if we assume everything

all the allegations you're you're making

about what's going on in xinjiang are

correct let's assume that hassan

if you stopped all trade with china do

you think that would make life better or

worse for oiggers living in china

i'll tell you what happened when the u.s

boycotted xinjiang cotton

oils were furious

suddenly they weren't making money they

otherwise would be making

you destroy their way of life you

destroy their source of income

i'm not going to partner up with you

anymore pakistan

which but hassan you think that everyone

just gets 50k subs and that trade and

money is just some dumb capitalist thing

that doesn't matter

no it's a very vital thing that matters

to the [ __ ] billions and billions of

people who rely on it to [ __ ] make a

living

no he's not agreeing with me he's like

he's saying like oh america is

hypocritical because america even

america the most powerful country isn't

going to stop trade with china

well is that because you're the cynical

and hypocrite is that just going to

[ __ ] destroy the world economy in

general

you know what i mean

that's what that's what more people

should say actually

just like yeah

what can we do do you have suggestions

jonathan swann of axios news

if they come back with a good point you

would look incompetent but like they

don't have there is no good point there

there's nothing you can do just like

even when

i talk about like american imperialism

and the death and destruction

that america

either funds or supports or engages in

as an american citizen i can't [ __ ]

stop

this country oh and and i get pushed

from my own

countrymen

on this issue

like chinese [ __ ] don't have

that right even like they don't have

that kind of liberty what

how do you know that hassan he's saying

chinese people don't have the right are

you sure

to be able to be like hold up

yo

ccp y'all gotta stop this

why do you

dude your whole [ __ ] credibility is

gone all your credibility collapses

you're literally making an assumption

that you think might be true but you

don't actually know if it's true or not

you know it's not true so i already know

you're full of [ __ ] [ __ ] how many

other things that you say are [ __ ]

based on the same

way of uh getting getting to the truth

it's not like you just talk out of your

[ __ ] ass you don't even know what

you're talking about

how the [ __ ] do you know that hassan

how do you know people in china aren't

allowed to talk about what they perceive

are injustices within china

how do you know that

no wonder you don't debate dude

okay

you gotta stop doing this cultural

genocide [ __ ] i mean seriously

work camps

around the clock surveillance of 10

million people that you have considered

to be like

extremist uh separatist terrorists yes

so according to hassan this is the

source the reliable credible source

hassan [ __ ]

uh 10 million people are considered

extremists

by the chinese government within

xinjiang

not good

like

what are you gonna do they can't do

anything

the chinese people yeah yeah you're

right hassan the chinese people are just

a passive flock of sheep that have no

agency and no say whatsoever and what

happens in their own country this is

literally what he believes by the way

with zero actual knowledge of the matter

i know that it's convenient to think

that based on what the media's told you

about china and the picture that's been

painted not with facts but with [ __ ]

aesthetic kind of [ __ ] um hollywood

[ __ ]

but if anyone who knows anything about

what goes on within china [ __ ] knows

that the people are very active in

criticizing the government for perceived

injustices

you ever heard of something called the

wuhan diaries

just as an example

small tiny example

and by the way

that person was routinely mocked and

derided on chinese social media because

people think of the liberals within

china as blue check establishment type

of people just like in america

people can't do anything

what the [ __ ] is pakistan gonna do super

racist dude hassan is saying some super

racist [ __ ] like he thinks chinese

people

are [ __ ] completely passive sheep

which is a complete racist

myth

a complete racist fabrication

actually if you look at or the history

of orientalism you will find that the

picture of eastern people in general not

just chinese but chinese arab

muslim

indian

they paint this picture that the people

are just completely lethargic

passive sheep sheep-like

brainless mindless drones and hassan is

repeating orientalist tropes to his

audience of 30k people mindlessly

because the bbc or cnn confirmed it to

him which is why a lot of these world

leaders

in muslim countries

but i guess the notable exception of

like

uh with it with i guess a notable

exception of like erdogan from time to

time

no the turkeys turkish government has

actually given its official position on

the matter if you want to look that up

too yes in the past some ministers

within turkey were talking about it but

there was a whole there was a whole

controversy over it rarely ever

uh speak out against it and hey hassan

if chinese people and asians are so

passive and brainless why did all of the

actual revolutions in history happen

there why has nothing happened in

america

and the american people blindly accept

the [ __ ] [ __ ] that happens to

them

in many instances will literally run

defense for china

i think that's the worst part

the worst part about this conversation

is that like

they end up running defense for china

come

this is such a big issue they run

defense to china because westerners are

coming to them not muslims but

westerners and by the way

the muslim world that is against china

they're all western diaspora

they're all westerners in the diaspora

on the muslims let me tell you the

difference hassan

i said this before

actually i don't even know if i could

talk about this but

when it comes to some countries

the muslim street

has a certain opinion and the government

has another opinion

the two often contradict each other but

on china they don't contradict each

other

there's no outrage on the muslim street

about xinjiang it's all coming from

america

and the west

world why are the people of kashmir

ignored it is much more relevant

compared to what might be going in the

aurigas

100 000 kashmiris have been killed

yeah he's trying to talk about kashmir

and what like the fascist indian

government is doing in kashmir

which gets no attention predominantly

muslim population

forced expulsions

murder kidnapping of politicians in the

region no attention both are bad

[ __ ] he's the he's the prime

minister of pakistan what do you mean

dude both are bad to him this is a very

important issue like what the [ __ ] are

you talking about yeah no [ __ ] both are

bad

okay

so he admits the truth

what the [ __ ] do you mean yeah yeah both

are bad but you're not making like a

profound [ __ ] statement here you're

not expressing something

uh that is uh unique here

chinese national government is over 90

to 95 approval rating with the citizens

according to western pollsters not sure

if you're aware of that no i i know that

the chinese

uh the the

chinese nation uh loves its uh its

government for the most part

is he being

sarcastic

i hope he's not being sarcastic

government has like i i think wait by

the way boys boys

for the record i do think that the

chinese government is like pretty

[ __ ] popular

okay amongst at least he knows that its

own citizens like i don't i don't think

that that's like

maybe not to the degree that it's like

95 but it's certainly more popular than

say just say you love it or your family

dies no i think this is a cultural

difference that is difficult for people

to discern especially in the in

uh western civilization western

societies do not understand it first and

foremost it doesn't [ __ ] matter if

like the chinese citizenry enjoy the

hassan's been watching infrared that's

how that's why he's saying all this [ __ ]

and his government's actions or like it

i have a high approval rating like if

you ask the [ __ ]

uh uh living in the region that are

being uh

oppressed and and their culture being

[ __ ] removed

then yeah those guys are not

uh super fond of china okay here so we

make a leap right of course people who

are being oppressed and having their

culture removed

are going to not like the people doing

that that's a logical assumption

inference we can make without any

evidence the burden of evidence lies

upon you hassan to demonstrate that this

is the case

for an overwhelming or even significant

part of oygers

obviously

not the muslim citizens i'm not saying

it's either either way by the way

i'm just saying you don't know

that's where tankies will [ __ ] own

you and say that's not even true it's

just the separatist muslims in east

turkestan or

xinjiang

so so what's your rebuttal to that i

would love to hear your rebuttal

those are the those are the people that

uh china is uh targeting

you can you can still practice islam in

other parts of china and which is true

be from a different ethnic background

and be muslim and literally [ __ ]

uh tankies will point that out routinely

which it's true which is a hundred

percent [ __ ] true yeah see there you

go the place where they're building more

mosques yeah dude

which they are

do you have a rebuttal

anyway

so the point i was the point i was going

to make is that like

in college came from an hour outside of

shanghai pretty much said he had no idea

people viewed china negatively until he

moved here yeah but what point the point

people don't understand is like

like

in a lot of these countries in a lot of

these countries like in china for

example

there is an understanding that your

government will take care of you as long

as you [ __ ] keep your head down

no it's really not that's a [ __ ]

western trope and it's a myth and it's

an orientalist racist trope it's not

true at all

okay not criticize it too much not rock

the boat too much but there's like a

cultural cohesion

that

you know everyone's gonna do all right

the government's gonna do right by you

as best as they possibly can as long as

you you know keep your [ __ ] head down

no that's not how it works hassan that's

not how it works it's a complete racist

myth about china has nothing to do with

what's going on on the ground in china

china has a very extensive extensive

culture of people pointing out perceived

injustices public social outcry you know

an example this was the 996.

you know what 996

there was huge public outcry against

996.

the you work uh nine hours what is it

nine nine six from nine a.m to nine pm

six days a week

it was huge outcry against it

there's huge debates going on within

china there's huge

you know

even even the handling of the

coronavirus in in wuhan and elsewhere

there's a lot of things going on in

chinese social media

you just don't know that because of the

language barrier i know that because

i've been shown it and been introduced

to it and i know people who are on

chinese social media and i've talked to

chinese people something you don't seem

like you've ever done in your [ __ ]

life

and uh don't think about it too much

and that's part of the reason why that's

part of the reason why they have that uh

mentality

and

and by the way the government does do uh

right by a lot of people to the best of

their ability so i understand why uh

so i understand why people have faith in

their government with respect to that

just like i'm han chinese i don't really

give a [ __ ] you know you know what

hassan the opposite is true let me

actually educate you hassan because i

know you're probably gonna watch this

let me educate you hassan

did you know

that among many there were many han

chinese people

in the a decade ago around a decade ago

who were super upset at the government

for a perceived

preferential treatment of minorities

and disproportionately preferential

treatment of minorities

in china the one china

the one child policy was restricted

to han chinese people

for oig and others they did they did not

have to comply with the policy they were

exempted from it

china has extensive affirmative action

in place for minorities minorities in

china ethnic minorities in china enjoy

much more rights than ethnic minorities

in any western country on planet earth

do you know that han nationalism

is in direct contradiction with chinese

patriotism because china is a

multi-ethnic civilization it always has

been and the han nationalists from about

a decade ago

were completely against the chinese

government and the communist party so

you really don't know what you're

talking about hassan you really don't

know that what you're talking about

furthermore

han culture is not the same thing

non-culture is not some particular

ethnicity han culture has always been

defined by the integration and

syncreticism with surrounding ethnic

groups throughout history you don't

really know anything about china so

you're making all of these assumptions

and superimposing what you know about

europe and america as though it applies

to china and it doesn't

you know the government's like literally

building [ __ ] high-speed rail

everywhere

uh as long as i don't

you know as long as i'm not like

thinking too hard about it

and and uh you know

trying to be contrarian for the sake of

being contrarian or trying to be

contrarian for obvious reasons like uh

the lack of free speech or like all of

the

all the control

that the government you're just

repeating tropes with specificities

specificities you don't actually

understand has over my life uh then it

doesn't matter you're going to

experience considerably less control by

external forces in your life within

china than you are in america

nothing bad can ever happen under

communism it's like people are still

evil or something like that well first

of all

like saying that china is communist is

kind of wild

no it's not

it's what most people believe and it's

reasonable to believe that because it's

ruled by a communist party

we're saying the foundations of you

saying the citizens have no say is

imperially false it's not just five

dudes waving yeah

this guy owned hassan in the chat

whoever this

i'm viping that guy right now i'm viping

that guy

vip

terra genome

vip'd

immediately

vip a hand

no i think the citizens don't have any

say beyond like straight up rebellion if

absolutely [ __ ] wrong

it is empirically unequivocally [ __ ]

false

no wonder you don't debate dude no

wonder you don't [ __ ] debate

the government

if the government was too authoritarian

that's the that's the power dynamic in

authoritarian countries it's just

talking out of your ass it's so painful

to watch

why are you talking out of your ass you

don't [ __ ] know this

delicate balance of authoritarianism

while also simultaneously uplifting uh

certain parts of the country

didn't

if you don't know this truism that

chinese people have a say in how their

country works

and often voice grievances openly and in

public

you are such a [ __ ]

idiot i don't even know what to say to

you

china is a country with over a billion

people hassan and the fact that you're

so ignorant about it would be forgivable

if it wasn't for the fact that you make

these bold audacious claims about a

civilization with over a billion people

if you're gonna talk about china hassan

know a thing or two about china because

you don't know [ __ ]

if the if the balance fell out in favor

of the authoritarianism over uh

uplifting certain parts of the country

he doesn't know what he's [ __ ]

talking about

he's literally just [ __ ] juggling and

stumbling with words

he doesn't know a [ __ ] goddamn thing

he's talking about

then there would be a rebellion and

that's the

what

way that things happen on that side of

the world okay no it's not how it

[ __ ] happens hassan it's not

the issue with the chinese government is

that they're oblivious to the top of the

hour oh [ __ ] you dude i shouldn't have

read that i was gonna do it on my own

yeah it's top of the [ __ ] hour that's

the issue with the chinese government

okay

and they refuse to recognize it

here it is there are 800 000 indian

troops which have literally it's an open

prison in kashmir nine million kashmiris

are put there

why is that not an issue it's different

so i think it's hypocrisy

they've been a huge partner to you china

but on some level doesn't it make you

feel sick to have to be quiet because of

all this money they're putting into

pakistan

i look around the world

what's happening in palestine libya

somalia syria afghanistan am i going to

start talking about everything i

concentrate on what is happening on my

border in my country

he's acting like he he has to [ __ ]

keep quiet when he's literally just

trying to say even if there was

something happening

i'm the [ __ ] leader of pakistan what

do you want me to [ __ ] do

which is part of no

that is part of pakistan a hundred

thousand kashmiris have died that

concerns me the ambassador of the

british empire is going to talk down to

the leader of pakistan about the

persecution of muslims

oh but they the british atoned for their

sins they apologized

that's what we're led to believe

and the whole british empire is gone by

the way it just disappeared poof

overnight all british imperialism poof

overnight

because behalf of kashmir is in pakistan

this is a grotesquely large human rights

atrocity

this is a grotesquely large human rights

atrocity

a british man is talking to the leader

of pakistan

unfucking believable

first of all i'm not sure about that

because

this is the part where it's like

[ __ ] like don't say first of all i'm

not sure about that

but he has to i mean

otherwise no he's not sure about it

hassan and neither are you

no one's [ __ ] sure about anything

stop acting like you're sure about it

because what you watch the vice news

documentary

the [ __ ] do you know hassan you don't

want goddamn you can you can sit here

and pretend like you know about america

because at least you [ __ ] live here

but you don't know what god damn [ __ ]

thing about china hassan just because

you watch the vice documentary about it

doesn't [ __ ] entitle you to the

pretence that you actually know anything

about it

and it will be like oh yeah

no longer are we [ __ ] trading with

you in the same way

the chinese this is not the picture i'm

sure that that comes from that side so

just to put it he literally talks like

you when people ask you about china no

i'm very [ __ ] open about

i i i never say i don't know about uh

you don't cultural genocide

because you're a liar i never say that i

literally very openly state that china

is engaging

in in absolutely rewriting the culture

of

uh of of muslim uighurs living in

xinjiang oh okay do

absolutely do this they have [ __ ]

work camps

you know that government surveillance

they do some of the most he said he

knows that absolutely so he knows

absolutely okay hassan inhumane [ __ ]

imaginable to these people the 10

million people that live in that region

okay

and they want to basically turn them

into han chinese they want to destroy

their they want to destroy it

hassan said they want to turn oils into

han chinese

at what point does did you just start

laughing hassan at like do you actually

sincerely believe this in your head

do you sincerely believe that in your

own head do you actually think they're

trying to turn oigoros into han chinese

because there's zero evidence for that

what what people are trying to say and

allege

is that the chinese government is trying

to sanitize oigor culture so that they

wear the oil costumes in traditional

dress and dance but it's not the

authentic one

it's just a government sanitized version

but no one is out here alleging that

they're trying to turn oigors into han

chinese that is a patent

absolute

unambiguous and unequivocal

lie

it's the most stupid [ __ ] thing i've

ever heard

any kind of like

uh attempt that they make china did have

forced labor for oils that was proven

where was it proven

please where was it proven where was it

proven that there was forced labor for

oigars

they claimed that they forced orders to

pick cotton in xinjiang because america

has a history of slavery in regards to

cotton

but it's not even efficient to pick

cotton with [ __ ] manual labor

in the complete fabrication they don't

even pick cotton in xinjiang with manual

labor they use machines

so it's stupid

it's incredible projection

and if china has to pay the price for

america's own ugly history

of slavery

uh

have in the future to build like an

autonomous east turkistan okay that's it

okay hassan

hey hassan

why don't you ever [ __ ] talk about

kurdistan huh

why don't you ever [ __ ] talk about

kurdistan you never [ __ ] talk about

it what about kurdish the free

autonomous kurdistan huh

where's kurdistan hassan

kurdistan

there is no historical basis

in history of there ever being a state

called east turkestan

never in history

kurds have more claim over kurdistan

than oregon's view over east turkestan

being an independent nation state

but she will never say a [ __ ] thing

about so-called kurdistan and by the way

i agree

i think kurdistan is by and large a

fabrication

by foreign powers

i agree

i just wish you'd be consistent

and apply the same [ __ ] thing

to east turkestan but you don't and i

wonder why

that's just the truth like that's

literally the [ __ ] truth

he talks about it but not to the degree

that he is allowed as he still has

family in turkey

it's just so [ __ ] hypocritical

and

not only that but also

because the son i think hassan did say

things to the contrary hassan

said hassan has critiqued kurdistan

hasn't he

hasn't he critiqued the notion of an

autonomous state in of kurdistan

not only that but also like

if you ask

xi jinping like

the reason why

china is doing this

if you ask him

is because they're separatists they're

extremist separatists because they're

[ __ ] literally there are separatists

in xinjiang is it the majority of oils

are not separatists or extremists links

do not work in the track

chat sheep ream

and uh he has to deal with them this way

because america that's what he learned

from america dealing with muslim

extremism

hassan you literally talk about

saudi-funded salafism all the time but

you're making an exception in regards to

xinjiang why do you deny that there was

a foreign sponsored from gulf states in

saudi arabia

extremism within xinjiang after the

soviet union collapsed

because the soviet union by the way used

to be the benefactors of xinjiang

separatists

do you not realize there literally was

religious extremism in xinjiang that was

a pretty significant threat to china's

national security and served america's

geopolitical interests do you know about

xinjiang's geostrategic importance in

the world it's literally the most

geostrategically important place in the

[ __ ] world

or do you not know about that

oh yeah hold on

mod neat

beat

this is the official like

statement from xi jinping so

kind of weird that like uh

the very same

the very same marxist leninist or

dengues in the chat

that upholds xi jinping's supremacy

refused to [ __ ]

no one denies

that there was

east turkistan separatists

and islamic fundamentalists in xinjiang

4 000 were found

in syria

what does this have to do with national

liberation when 4 000 of these

extremists are in syria among the ranks

of isis how is that some kind of

authentic national liberation

uh refuse to just uh recognize what xi

jinping has personally said about this

issue while simultaneously how does that

prove all of your allegations

obviously talk about american

imperialism

and then refuse to say that um

i mean and then and then turn around and

say like it's cia propaganda basically

okay that's what it is and which i wish

it is by the way hassan and hassan

you know hassan you've made a few bad

moves

as far as your career is concerned

first

you've told people to go vote for biden

that alone is going to hurt you in the

long term

the second thing you're doing is

repeating an iraq war narrative that 10

15 20 years from now

so in 10 15 20 years

liberal leftists are going to refer to

the xinjiang claims the same way we

refer to saddam's weapons of mass

destruction they're going to be like oh

what a horrible you know they're going

to use it as that example

so back in the day people like me who

would have denied

that saddam has weapons of mass

destruction

we were just the same marginalized all

of the big liberal talk show hosts bill

maher

all of the libs and the left even

leftists of that time

were not out here saying that they were

not out here questioning official

narratives about what's going on in

uh hedok

they were the minority fringe minority

just like us

in america

a fine point on this you are not in any

way concerned about the muslim weakers

in xinjiang or discussions with china

he's just like this conversation was

supposed to for him this conversation is

supposed to be about

uh kashmir and why the western uh

nations don't give a [ __ ] about what's

happening to muslims

that uh he feels that he's supposed to

be protecting

hassan is ignoring all of the people

challenging him he like he's looking at

it and reading it he's ignoring it why

okay

and

in a way jonathan swan is like literally

proving

in a way

jonathan swan is literally proving what

his point is which is that like no one

gives a [ __ ] about

uh muslims unless it's like uh

unless it's you know unless they're

victims

in the hands of uh america's like

foreign adversary

and this will always be behind closed

doors

thank you

that his dumb chat was saying that

hassan you know i would try to help you

out dude but here's my prediction in one

year you're not going to have as much

views as you do now

maybe i'm wrong

mom goes ape [ __ ] on american education

system

and critical race theory

i am still struggling to understand

what's going on with critical race

theory

is this something new

what is critical race theory is this

something new

it's long i think it's worth every

homophobic

you have no idea

each child's life you don't know what

their family

lifestyle consists of you don't know the

makeup

ibrahim

oh my god

she's middle easterner

of their of their life

you have children

like mine

who is muslim

and i'm christian

yeah wait what

wait her children are muslim

oh her name's tatiana her last name is

ibrahim

so she's not the out of herself

because i was going to say i think she

might be like a christian

out of christian but um

her name's tatiana so i think she's like

uh

russian or something and her husband is

and everyone would think

they would never believe that of her

right

because the way she looks or according

to miss cyrus she's too pasty white

we're not allowed to use names if you

have something you'd like to discuss

about a specific person i'm going to

give you an issue with the whole kind of

white discourse in america let me tell

you the problem

i'm gonna tell you the problem with

white discourse in america

so

russians armenians

eastern europeans

people from the caucasus

they'll come to america

but these anglo

liberals will come and say oh you're

white you have white privilege

and that is a very kind of racist thing

because

they have their own culture that is so

different from western european culture

it doesn't make sense

but they have this broad brush calling

everyone white

what do russians have to do with the

crimes of white supremacy

russians have nothing to do with the

transatlantic slave trade russians

maybe there's an issue of colonialism

with the central asian countries

but in terms of the world at large

russians colonized nobody they didn't

colonize latin america they didn't go to

africa and colonize africans they didn't

go and colonize the middle east

what about people in eastern europe it's

the same thing

what about greeks what about

armenians

what about georgians what about uh

people from the caucuses

but you're calling all of these people

white

why so they can conform to america's

problems

either that or it's being yeah it's

disguising a subtle form of racism

against people

of

backgrounds

where

white doesn't really mean anything what

does white mean

sorry the white american culture does

not apply to those people it just

doesn't apply it's a completely

different thing

it's you know

it's completely different

do liberals think you are white

in my personal experience it's a mixed

bag i've never had liberals tell me to

check my white privilege i've never had

anything like that

so no they they definitely can tell i'm

like middle eastern or some kind of

foreign

um

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is anyone a communist who makes 100k a

year yeah i mean yeah it's definitely

not a contradiction in terms

there is great russian chauvinism i know

but it's not the same as like american

white supremacy is what i'm trying to

say it's completely different

thought this belonged here

just thinking about the tragic irony

american style that a country so deeply

suspicious of old world hierarchy

produced overlords of its own we have

all the vices of the medieval kings and

none of their virtues

super true even though this is a

monarchist subreddit

this is [ __ ] the truth

at least kings and barons in the middle

ages had virtue honor and some something

like this

these people have none of that

so that's very true

super true actually

super true

just another day on our world news user

not blocked

homophobia anti-semitism anti-blackness

and transphobia

are all the height of human stupidity

stupidity

meanwhile russophobia is simply another

word for being a decent person

unbelievable and it they didn't get

blocked for racism or anything

unfucking believable

unbelievable

blazed blight

one belt and road nice we'll check it

out

change is coming again

right

nice

destiny's attacking sam cedar on twitter

it's rough

what is this

i don't even know what this is

i have no idea what this is

bad bunny

let me make sure she's banned ban

bad bunny she banned me from her chat

i've never interacted her in my life

but i chick clicked her channel once and

i was just banned

no wait that wasn't her no no i got

banned from bad bunny

because i

this was when i was like a

40 viewer andy okay

and i was just going on so we were on

youtube and i was just using twitch to

debate people so i went in her chat i

didn't know who she was and i was like

debate me you're too scared to debate me

and uh yeah i got banned sorry that one

was well deserved

but there's some people that just banned

me from their chat for no reason never

interacted them once

um

and look from what i've seen about bad

bunny

eyes

yeah i i could not ever

collaborate with them

be friendly to them they are super

cringe

they're they're a bad example of

she's making a bad example of like

socialist or communist or whatever

because

holy [ __ ] you know it's just like not a

good ambassador for the brand in my view

classes right these workers

these um these classes as a whole all

right dude

this is uh spania and we talked about

him yesterday

dude this guy's base he's super based

but he's actually why is all the people

we like turn out to be like politically

based like big herc

remember when we watched that big herc

video and he was like talking about

[ __ ] uh

um gamestop the wall street thing he was

like yeah [ __ ] these wall street people

and [ __ ] and this guy dude infrared

vision you know what i'm saying

infrared vision right it's all

programmed a certain way they've got

certain things they say certain things

they teach and certain ways they need to

respond and they fit their individual

personalities within those guidelines

that's how it works

their main priority listen to this

carefully their main priority

is to not hurt your feelings

all right

you're going to say what the [ __ ] is

that this is how it works bob you got to

understand first and foremost

in another life i would be a [ __ ]

australian you guys know that in another

life i would literally be in australia

being like this guy

talking like this

but these programs are written by purple

headed lesbians

i kind of look like fedmeister

if you if this does not please me i'm

gonna ban you

if this does not please me i'm gonna

[ __ ] ban you hold on what is this

what

this is what i look like

who the [ __ ] said that

get away from her

why is he next to queen pokeman

what is this

how do i look like this

oh i kind of look like this

i do kind of look like this but

i do not [ __ ] look like this dude

i do not look like this

what are you talking about

i do not look like this at all

every time somebody says i kind of look

no i look like this guy dude when i'm

like 40 years old i look like this guy

but bald

that went to university that spend their

life trying to stop people's if you look

like him pokey would give you attention

i'm banning from the chat feelings

getting hurt and they know nothing about

reality and i'm not saying that in a

funny way that's the truth and a lot i

genuinely think

there's aspects of this guy that i look

like his face is way more symmetrical

but i think i look like this guy kind of

right i kind of do look like this guy

the [ __ ] things in the world have

been poisoned by that and this is one

i'm going to tell you the reality of it

these programs they i kind of feel like

i could be this guy's cousin you know

these workers when you sit there and you

know it people who have been through it

you know it they worry about not hurting

your feelings these people

are treating your drug addiction as an

illness

you have a disease

this is to not hurt your feelings

whenever you use drugs again it's okay

don't worry about it it's not bad it's

not this it's all right like you're a

good it's good you know it's all about

i'll tell you why

i'll tell you why they paint your drug

addiction as a disease it's to take the

blame away from you

all right and they train everything they

buy

like ernest

hold on what is this [ __ ] another

[ __ ] ernest

kalimov

no

that's the [ __ ] giga chad guy

no i don't dude i literally don't

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i thought it was going to be like a

historical guy or something

they spend the whole time butting up

cause

because if they have ten thousand people

sit in there

this guy's cousin would not be making

runescape videos

you guys are [ __ ] penalizing me for a

video i made when i was 11 years old

yeah destiny backed out of that panel

yesterday that video is when i was made

11 years old

and they go until the what is this

with paintings it's square

and you go into the first one it's all

calligraphy and you've got this big i

don't know what the [ __ ] that is we're

gonna

bad empanadas smears caleb hey bad

empanada

hey bad empanada then you can hey buddy

buddy

bad empanada

you know you're not gonna come for the

king

you will never debate me we know that

you'll never debate me

i'll wipe the floor with you you'll

never come for me

cause you're scared

you're scared

and by the way

caleb is not entirely unfounded when he

says this because guess what

bread tube

endorses

antifa right

bread tube endorses using violence

against people they label as fascists

breadtube calls caleb a fascist

routinely

wash has said on stream head verbatim

i want them dead them being tankies

he actually it's a direct quote

it's actually a direct quote

ad verbatim

i look like john bernthal

john bernthal

what the [ __ ] is this

what is this a guy from [ __ ] walking

dead

how do i look like this

i do not look like this at

the all conspiracy theory just dropped

where he said like um bread tube is

sending assassins after him or something

and the synthetic left is toxic and

dangerous it's toxic and dangerous it is

extremely toxic and extremely dangerous

and there's a reason we have to stand up

about this the the breadth book is

coming out next week uh it'll be ah man

i i already bought it i already bought

it dude i can't wait caleb thank you so

much for your book wait why is he not in

a suit it's very [ __ ] slimy to be

wearing a t-shirt caleb you should be in

a suit slouched down on the [ __ ]

floor as usual this is not why i watch

you man week um you know it'll be up

online for sale hey bad emphasis

you're so [ __ ] brave

for attacking caleb dude you're so brave

so brave

what a brave and bold thing to take the

side of literally the whole [ __ ]

twitch politics all this [ __ ] you're so

[ __ ] brave to just go with the status

quo

if yeah i know bad empanada he this is

what he does he won't debate anyone

he'll just play bad [ __ ] music good

job bad empanada good job you're so

[ __ ] brave

you're so brave to jump on the bandwagon

hysteria you [ __ ] [ __ ]

china released a white paper on its

political party system these are the

highlights

cooperation and consul elaborating on

the distinctive characteristic strengths

of the country's political system here

are the highlights

china will learn and draw from the

positive experiences of other countries

but will not imitate other political

party systems blindly or impose its own

systems on any other country

the system of multi-party cooperation

political consultation under the

leadership of the communist party of

china is a basic element of china's

political framework

fun fact china is not a single party

state

there are more parties within china that

have active

say in how china's governed

than in america

america is the democrats and republicans

china has many parties all of which led

by the chinese communist party and those

other parties have a say

in china the communist party and eight

other political parties were founded for

national salvation with shared goals of

the realization of national independence

people's liberation well-being and the

prosperity of the country

china's party system is a unique

political structure created by the

communist party of china the chinese

people the non-cpc political parties and

prominent individuals without

affiliation to any political parties

the part that's communist party has

worked together with non-cpc political

parties over the years advancing side by

side withstanding all kinds of tests and

forming a new type of relationship

featuring

cooperation unity and harmony

there you go

now let me see

the west has always hated communists

more than fascists

i swear not every podcast needs to exist

notice how stalin is centered as the

root of it all totalitarian evil next to

hitler and kim jong-un

imagine that

learning information

collection of the best most detailed

posts

what is this

okay i'm just making sure it's not to us

okay let me show you this

all right what's this video gonna be

posted on my reddit what is this

is this what we are for guys

is this what our community is

let's see

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[ __ ] base dude

the us foreign policy must change for

the better

step one invade country step true

destroy everything occupy them call for

sympathy when the people get radicalized

and blame it on their religion

problem islamic sphere

true

come on

wash

so he is [ __ ] lying

he is lying

hold on

i have to take out any usernames

look at this

this guy allegedly this guy's actually

six two and this guy's actually six two

and this so

someone's lying either he's actually 6'5

or voss is lying about being 6-2

really

[Laughter]

literally proof

i want to know how anyone can respond

something's gotta something doesn't add

up okay something doesn't add up

there's another

picture he goes

he said i'm the height of a ch he said

how tall are you

and he goes

6-2 question mark and he goes that's

correct

oh no

even high schoolers understand barn

animals better than george orwell

moses can you mod me here uh confirm it

in the discord send me a discord dm

what was everyone's least favorite book

to read in high school english mine was

frankenstein animal farm realistically

the animals wouldn't act that way they

go out of their way to fit the into the

roles that the book wants them to fill

instead of actually trying to show what

animals in that situation would do

so [ __ ] true

animal farm was such a forced book

it's not like an organic development

based on the authentic self-interest of

the characters

it was just super forced all around

stupid [ __ ] book

this is old

us has no explanation for unidentified

objects and stops short of ruling out

aliens the reason why i'm not so [ __ ]

like

keen on saying oh this is proof that

they're hiding aliens because

well the truth is is that they can't

rule out you know atlantis they can't

rule out underwater

they can't rule out magic so they're not

going to rule out because it's an

unknown doesn't mean they actually think

it's aliens i don't think there's aliens

uh in the sky i don't think ufos have

anything to do with aliens

and if cnn started saying that it's

aliens i would literally say that

they're lying

and if they're like making something up

because i don't buy it i simply don't

buy it

i just do not buy that idea that it's

[ __ ] aliens

makes no sense to me

um

i am from izmir what's this

i am from the [ __ ]

what the [ __ ] is this huh let me make

sure it's okay

okay

i am from izmir

i did ancestry dna test and learned i'm

80

greek

my whole word has changed

i try to commit suicide but could

oh god

all right it's okay

couldn't do it

now i have to live like this

but after that i decided

[Laughter]

oh my god

it's hilarious

summary of today's us intelligence

report

government confirms okay this is the

summary i'm gonna save this

for later

greeks why are there so much like

anti-greek

posting in the [ __ ] discord

dude infrared is like falcon wars and

the discord and the reddit now the

reddit's the [ __ ] extension of the

the turf war

um

let me see if there's anything else

on the reddit

before i go pee

oh oh there he is oh no sam cedar what a

[ __ ] what a [ __ ] night

oh god

i love china but watching videos on

china makes me miserable i mean the

westernization is obviously clear in

today chinese culture even tic

you're [ __ ] wrong dude no this is

stupid this is literally stupid

um it's not westernization it's just

modernization you know there's nothing

inherently western about any of

there's nothing inherently western about

[ __ ] technology and dynamic culture

and modern culture this is super

orientalist and cringe dude

china china's not a theme park or a zoo

for you to just go and like

you know like look at the authentic

culture you know the chinese people are

modern

and uh

you know

they're not just uh some kind of uh

zoo and they get exotic animals

law you're such a dumb creature you're

the only creature that pays to live on

earth

god

true truers in the chat you wanna know

the sad truth

monkeys work far less than people do

people work eight hours a day

monkeys just sit around in the jungle

and pick their ass and find a bug and

just eat it

isn't that sad

that's super sad in my view

that's incredibly

just terrible that's super sad

super sad

hey guys i'm gonna piss be right back

super quick i'm gonna go piss be right

back

hello

i'm back oh my god

did monkeys take over the chat or what

monkeys took over the whole chat what's

going on

everyone's going bananas

this is how you guys keep yourself

entertained let's check out this ufo

stuff so this is the

summary the guy monkey stop

monkeys

is there no uh a volume okay right here

all right and let me hear you count down

one second

got food

sorry let's continue

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vegan

take a guess take a wild guess if this

is vegan [ __ ] no it's not

[Music]

[Applause]

[Music]

anyway

the government has confirmed

144 reports

that have no explanation they confirm

that pilots have near in air collisions

and these objects demonstrate some sort

of advanced technology

they cluster around us military training

and testing grounds in 21 reports

observers reported unusual movement

patterns of flight characteristics

demonstrating advanced technology

some uap appeared to remain stationary

in winds aloft move against the wind

maneuver abruptly or move at

considerable speed without discernible

means of propulsion a small number of

cases military aircraft systems

processed radio frequency

energy is associated with the sightings

11 reports

documented instances in which pilots

reported mere misses with the uap

possible technology from china russia or

classified u.s programs

but no evidence for any of wow look how

it um

look how [ __ ] uh

uninterconnected the us government is

they don't even know if it's from

another us program that's just

classified

the report conclude but little do they

know that this is serbian technology

the report concludes that they need more

inter-agency communication report track

tracking

using algorithms and stuff

you know i would sooner believe it's

time travelers than [ __ ] aliens you

know that

what the [ __ ] is going on guys

what in the [ __ ] is going on

we have no idea

all right guys as you know

in one hour

i'm gonna be going on a debate panel to

debate pizza

um

one moment

oh yeah

i want to talk about this

they're removing

the statue of roosevelt and the american

museum of natural history

now

what do i think of this

all of america's monuments

and you know they're all being removed

all across the country

i get that america's founding is

littered with crimes

but in this attempt to sanitize

america's history

what is becoming of the foundations of

the american state itself because the

whole american state was founded on this

so it's a crisis of legitimacy and

succession what is actually going to

happen to america like who's going to

rule us now

i mean i get it america was founded on

bloodshed

and genocide and slavery and horrible

things

but

what are you replacing that with is my

question because this seems like it's a

uh you know it's a

it's a time of succession

i want to know who's succeeding the

throne

and whether they're going to be any

better because i have no reason to

believe they're going to be any better

so who's taking over

you know that's the question you have to

ask yourself

if they're removing all these statues of

these old guys

what are they replacing them with like

who's

who's building the foundation of the new

american state

because that's i think danny sullivan's

right silicon valley woke imperialis

that's what i think as well

give an outro for the youtube yeah well

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all right libs don't know what a father

is says boo boo bennett who certainly

does know what a father is speaking of

father's day if you forgot to get your

dad a shirt from lh merch.com don't

worry we have fourth of july shirts and

they're on

i don't need to be rude because i have

nothing personally against her

but i'm struggling to eat

while looking at her because like the

whole poop pants story

and every time i see her i just think of

that

and it's super gross

like it's hard to eat you know

it's not her fault like

it's just all the people who point that

out

and i'm not even trying to like dunk on

her i'm not

it's actually kind of hard to eat

looking at her sale 20 off with code

july 4. that is so disrespectful imagine

being like hey dad i didn't give you

anything i forgot to give you something

so i got you this ugly ass boo boo

bennett shirt like god damn get get

disowned child okay what a

horrible father's day gift dude you are

significantly better off not getting

them anything than getting her getting

your dad this

oh my god

i got some [ __ ] garlic sauce on my

keyboard

just gonna clean it off

really quick

all right

we're back

she is a literal nazi

that's so [ __ ] stupid dude she's not

a [ __ ] nazi shut the [ __ ] up

you're literally

throwing around that accusation so

loosely that you're diminishing its

meaning

she's a literal nazi no she's not

she's literally not a nazi

this [ __ ] dumbass gift okay here is a

mug from uh a famous conservative

commentator who is most notably uh who's

known for pooping her pants you can also

get this really to the point shirt that

says arrest dr falchi

she's the right winger

she's the pro republican and she's a

conservative

she is not a nazi

okay what is a father

what is a father why do conservatives

care so much other trans people don't

care about trans issues this much dude

they just they love

that's facts

that's true

a lot of

right-wingers make a way bigger deal of

like the trans thing than transgender

themselves do that's actually true

i love trans people so much they cannot

stop themselves from like bringing every

conversation back to like trans people

existing it's so [ __ ] wild just like

give it a break she self identifies as a

fascist

you know what

i bet she she does it just like as an

ironic thing like oh you all call me

fascist so i'll just call myself that

you stop being so bad faith you [ __ ]

leftoid hysterical [ __ ]

you just stop with the hysteria okay

no it's not it's not fascism if you

call her fascist every day she's gonna

be like oh yeah i'm sex it's gonna just

like how i you know people call me

nazbol all the time and i [ __ ] joke

around with that all the time too

doesn't mean i'm actually one yeah it's

to trigger the libs

have some good faith

have some good faith dude

her political party is fascist

unironically what's her political party

what is her political party let's see

what's her political party

so according to you

liberty hangout

is fastest rather than libertarian is

that what you mean to tell me

okay let's look it up

liberty hangout

look it up

liberty hangout is a growing

libertarian media outlet an alternative

news source

and it's even worse

relevant insight into current events to

promote austrian economics and property

rights

so you're talking out of your [ __ ]

ass as a left hysterical leftoid person

calling her a fascist because she's a

right winger you're literally no

different than conservatives who called

obama a communist you are just stupid

what faction what fascist actions has

she [ __ ] partook in huh you are so

hysterical and it's dangerous because

you're desensitizing the word nazi and

fascist

by the way the nazis were the people who

you know

started world war ii killed 27 million

russians

murdered over 6 million jews

by the way it's not something to throw

around lightly

fake dude like ben shabibo every

father's day every mother's day happy

non-specified gender day for uh you know

singular

it's literally just because she likes

trump

so stupid

that's so stupid

she believes in the anti-semitic

question

even if she was anti-semitic it doesn't

make her a fascist plenty of people are

anti-semitic in history but i don't know

if she's anti-semitic is she

anti-semitic

yeah liberty hangout went [ __ ] wild

around election time in january 6.

what does that have to do with fascism

literally where is the correlation what

is that have to do with being a nazi

yeah i get it she's a big trump

supporter what is that doing being a

[ __ ] nazi

i think you guys have just never talked

to a conservative in your life

i wasn't saying they were fascists they

were memeing super hard i ain't calling

her a nazi their tweets were hilarious

yeah

she is just a grifter yeah that's what i

think too but a lot of people want to be

hysterical and like throw out all these

accusations diminishing the meaning of

the [ __ ] word

uh parental unit it's like literally

every [ __ ] time they're so obsessed

dude it's so

she's a right-wing grifter who's trying

to make some money that's what i think

too

oh weird man [ __ ] chill please

somebody

that has a kid

i'm responsible of a family family that

could also be a mother a mother yeah

so what is the difference between a

mother and a father like what makes a

father different than mother i don't

know like why do you care like it

literally does not matter i guess gender

is that what it is okay gender who cares

i was talking to murad about i'm going

to give you a clippable moment ready

lefties

when they see conservatives call obama a

communist

actually i mean is this someone who

believes in me the theories of karl marx

and

now liberals when a fellow liberal

calls trump a fascist

liberals when a fascist points out that

to be a fascist you have to read

giovanni gentile and agree with the

doctrine of

[ __ ] fascism and like

you know all these writings and [ __ ] to

technically be a fat liberal like oh my

god that's just like nerdy like [ __ ]

that doesn't doesn't even matter but

when liberals when conservatives called

obama a communist what did you liberals

say

you were rightfully pointing out it was

ridiculous but why don't you be

consistent

be [ __ ] consistent

the other and by the way

all you lefties calling conservatives

nazis and fascists

you are contributing

to the atmosphere and culture

that had jeremy corbyn smeared as an

anti-semite because he was critical of

israel's policies

i hope you know that

i hope you know they turn around and use

it against you too

you know

i hope you know that

they're gonna use it against you

in eastern europe they're passing twin

totalitarian laws

it doesn't matter if you're a

libertarian communist who likes bosch

or if you're an og chad tanki

you're gonna be targeted by those laws

in poland and hungary which equate

communism with fascism

so i hope you know by

so loosely using the word fascist

you're diminishing its meaning and

you're creating a very dangerous

political atmosphere hope you know that

by the way and it's gonna come be used

against you too just wait

just wait until america starts adopting

the twin totalitarian thing and all the

lefties are gonna be equated with the

alt-right it's gonna happen under biden

mark my words it's gonna happen

uh the other day where i was like yo

it's kind of crazy like father's day

really doesn't get a lot of play in

comparison to mother's day right because

we were looking at some memes about

father's day and you know how like no

one really gives a [ __ ] just like

just like no one cares

about what kind of nazi someone is

whether you're a strasserist or an osbo

or an anarcho-nazi or a libertarian not

they don't care about the nuance and

nazi the nazi

when the time comes

whether you're a vashti libertarian

socialist or an aoc democratic socialist

or a hassan watcher or a chad tanki

you're all going to be communist

just wait

thursday in the same way that they give

a [ __ ] about mother's day right and

murat brought up a really great point

and it's i think it's true he's like

yeah it's because they can't sell as

much [ __ ] to dads like there is a there

is there are limitations to what you can

sell to dads so people don't really give

a [ __ ] about it as much he's like yeah

if you go to lowe's right now or home

depot shit's popping off out there it's

not necessarily like a big hallmark

holiday because the [ __ ] are you gonna

buy a dad like buy your dad's socks is

there a specific name for that like is

there any category of people who give

birth biologically females but it

doesn't have to be yo it blows my mind

that people are so much more woke than i

expect them to be like i legitimately

don't expect beachgoers in some random

[ __ ] florida town to just be like

yeah who gives

i do because the girl looks like she's

in college

and she probably uses social media so

she probably does have an opinion on it

hassan

hassan's number one problem

is he he talks he thinks he's so smart

and that people are so much dumber than

he is but the truth is is that hassan

is a very average intelligence

[ __ ] like yeah and knowledge

when it comes to his knowledge and

intelligence very average

if not below average logical mother i

guess or you know someone who someone

whose gender pronouns are female would

be a mother someone who's gender

pronouns or male would be a father like

it's like as woke as as i would [ __ ]

be in that conversation you know what i

mean can

anybody be a father i guess so yeah like

some people are a mother and a father

like single moms sure

what happens when a good christian when

a good wholesome christian okay a good

wholesome real christian family that's

conservative and red

i'ma be real is this sexist if i say

this

if kaelin bennett came up with him to me

with a microphone i'll start spitting

game you know not because i want her but

just because it's like

it would just be fun

is that sexist or what i don't know

blooded americans are incapable of

having children so then they go and

adopt the child so is that father no

longer a [ __ ] dad because like he

didn't literally create the child like

he he his semen uh did not play a role

in the creation what if

what if i take one for the team

and i convert liberty hangout to marxism

leninism

right i think caitlyn bennett like if i

you know i'm saying

really work some magic on her

i could convert her and the whole thing

you know

convert all take one for the team you

know

take one for the team

she's viral dude she's got a lot of

you know what i'm saying she's got a lot

of followers and

i don't know man i don't know

i swear to god i would start spitting

game though i swear to god i would like

not because i want her but just because

it's like

what else is there to do you know

this child like are you just gonna sit

there be like yeah you're not a [ __ ]

dad sorry like that's kind of [ __ ] up

i mean that guy's uh you know a white

christian american man uh the the type

that you should care about so what the

[ __ ] i'm not a biological father i don't

[ __ ] dm people shut the [ __ ] up

i'm not a dmr okay

i'm not a dmr

it seems you want to marry a rich girl i

really don't

guys i talk a lot of [ __ ] on the

internet the truth is

no in real life

i don't know

do this guys

i'm a super solitary person

and i i do not give anyone a chance

only once every 15 years i give one

person a chance once every 15 years

but yeah father yeah okay so what are

you really trying to get into a

semantics argument then at that point

you know what i mean because it's all

literally semantics here like this is

this doesn't prove anything once again

it's another

like i'm not out here dming people

hitting people up i don't do that i just

don't

i just don't

in a video that like has like this

unspecified point

oh my god dude check discord

i have not shut up dude i'm not gonna

check discord

he he put some [ __ ] in general and ping

me do not [ __ ] ping me in general

when i'm not

looking at general

if you ping me in general while i'm

streaming or i'm away from the discord

you're a [ __ ] idiot if you think i'm

ever gonna see it

that they're trying to like direct

people to arrive at this only specified

conclusion i guess like the conclusion

is that like you're not like gender is

confusing or something which it is like

it literally is [ __ ] confusing so

okay what did you what did you arrive at

like yeah gender is confusing got it

okay it depends on how you interpret it

i suppose how do you interpret it that

anybody can be whatever they want to be

that's interesting how's that work

because i don't care how people identify

and that's their own concern can a woman

be a father um yes yeah i definitely

think so they can't i mean they're not

even being woke in the sense that like a

a trans woman or or a trans man is like

a woman who's a father like that would

like i don't even think they're that's

what they're trying to say here you know

what i mean like i think they're

literally saying like yeah in like a cis

lesbian couple one can assume the

responsibilities of a father like

they're saying we don't give a [ __ ]

and i don't either

let people do what they want like i give

a [ __ ]

they're not even thinking about it from

the point of view of like gender like a

transphobic construct like that's what

she's trying to do she

what kind of libertarian is caitlin

would wouldn't libertarian just be like

i don't give a [ __ ] son of my business

kind of libertarian is that

monkey shut up

stop the monkeys she's trying to trap

them and like uh oh what a trans man

can't be a father right and it's like

well why not like i don't understand i

feel like a lot of people are saying

like single moms can feel the father

role too yeah like literally

unintentionally they're just like

showing everyone uh in in a very woke

light and in a pretty good light overall

there's lots of mothers out there that

are single mothers who play both roles

right but are they fathers yeah if

they're single dad's not around not

there

that makes them a man that makes them a

father

what

a man only a man can assume the role of

father okay well then trans men that

want to be called fathers or fathers

then okay got it thanks for coming dude

this is betrays common sense like

a lot of people can

take on the father rule you know

my ted talk who cares what other people

do

who cares

i'm like yeah

it's mainly based in like men

but like other people can fill that role

in some ways

maybe not entirely but if there's drag

queens on nickelodeon if you don't like

it don't let your kids watch spongebob

right

what where the [ __ ] did that come from

dude where is this video going there's

no shot that this video has more content

than dude see how i i'm reacting to

hassan reacting to this

i win i'm above it all

you know

i'm literally above all of it

yee

hold on

bro i was thinking of something like

[ __ ] um little freaky ways bar like

that we are going on that panel yeah

it's going to be in about 30 40 minutes

about 40 minutes

a lot heaps of the oil bay's eye and

like how i was bro you know or hell

maybe how i am i don't know bro

it's debatable

but [ __ ] um anyway like i'm saying

like say you know when i was like

[ __ ] just say forever right yeah

but like say the way i dress bro you

know like say when i was a teenager i'm

gonna paint the picture for you i'm a

teenager i got whatever on i got my

assets on

i'm a teenager

[ __ ] whatever i got nautical had on

blah blah blah i'm dressing in this way

that you call

sadly but like what you call [ __ ]

like adlai's or if you want to be the

rocket derogatory you just call them

sj's um to make you feel better about

yourself to belittle them but anyways

besides the point um

like

but so when i say another lad like dress

like me right

what i do is like i don't know it's like

a standoff sort of thing you know

it's like i see someone and it's like

it's like a standoff by like

there's this thing you know you're

looking at each other who's looking at

who i'm tougher than you you're not

going to look at me for that long

i'll do something to you if you look at

me for any longer i'll say something

you're going to say something back of

course you're not because i may enjoy

you that kind of

there's a [ __ ] bug harassing all over

my body my arms my back i'm gonna clean

this

harassing me

[ __ ] bug harassment dude

bug harassment

being harassed

[ __ ] bugs man

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i'm a teenager

okay cleaned it

[ __ ] off boss

[ __ ] you know

and it's like

i'm just thinking like this

so we walk the streets by like there'll

be you dressed like that however you

dress bra

he might be a pack of years but you see

a pack of lads just the same why you

know

[ __ ] or it could be one-on-one you

know and why do we do that to them this

one i'm thinking bro like

that's that person if you see someone

just like you

talks like you

you sorta act the same

what

it's this guy

or me i'm acting like him

it's highly likely more than anyone else

in a world bar you think about it this

way when you're in your hood or you're

in someone else's hood and you're just a

certain way and you say some lads

whatever ebay is up on the corner just

just that same way you know

this

very very likely that those lads

more than anyone else in the world that

you will ever meet

have the same ideals of as you have been

through the same life as you probably

have older brothers who done this is

actually true i swear to god it's true

people who are like dressed like you

have your style have your swag

[ __ ] in front of him like your older

brother's done listen to the same music

as you enjoy the same things as you and

don't like the same things as you now

think about what i'm saying there so

these people are essentially your

brothers like ideological brothers and

life experienced people you know like

not to say that they're more important

than anyone else that you come across

but like these people are more like you

and you probably have more in common

with higher chances than anyone else in

the world

um they probably come from similar parts

of sydney and have similar houses and

had

their similar time experiences at school

they're all you get it

so why these people

why do people who dress like you

and who live the same way as you is

there this standoff there's this thing

that it's them

that they're the ones i have to have

this awkward because i mean i'm gonna

actually explain this

because

it's this you ever heard the time this

term this town's not big enough for the

both of us

you understand

it ain't big enough for the both of us

can't be more than one of us

only one of us

that's why

attention semi slash battle semi slash

tough guy contest

with them

if

if you were to have on a bug flew up my

nose i think

oh my god the monkeys

stop

monkeys [ __ ] stop

but with anyone every time i leave for

two seconds the monkeys [ __ ]

in the world

wouldn't you have it with the people who

are most against you and your ways not

to say that going around doing that is

the way to do it

but that's another that's another whole

thought but i'm just saying like

wouldn't you do it wouldn't you be like

that with the people who despise the way

you dress despise the way you talk

uh despise your ideals but no we don't

well i don't i'm speaking for myself but

i know it's the common way

i don't

i actually spend my life doing it to the

people who is the thing and it goes from

even aoj then you're in aoj

and we in aoj and like it's like

it's like these are these people if

you're in jail it's highly likely if

you're a proper jailhead

that these people are essentially more

like you than anyone else you'll ever

meet in your life

[Music]

growing up i had dreams and aspirations

but always felt like the kid that didn't

fit in

for the most part i wasn't a bad kid but

when i made the transition into

adulthood i turned to the streets for

guidance

this led to getting locked up in

juvenile hall doing time at cya and

eventually 120 months sentence in

federal prison

i had a lot of time to think and reflect

during my federal sentence

so i share with you what i learned

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man represent love y'all

had a question from one of our viewers

hey big herc i was wondering what if

your cell mate is in a rival gang or

what if you have a cell mate you have to

click up with and they got and they get

transferred along the road but new

prisoner comes in and he's part of a

rival gang or click

if you're so they're not going to put a

cerano and an ortega in the same cell

first of all not going to happen

blood and cr

trip now if they could i see an l8 blood

encrypt they cool

and you know they at a spot where you

know they they um

they get along i've seen that happen

i've seen them you know blood and [ __ ]

getting a cell together but they

basically they from la so it's la

because they're not in california

um as far as if you are in a cell with a

guy

who for example was a north daniel

and you guys kicked it real tough

and you're not first of all you're not

going to be in his cell for any you're

not even being self-period unless you're

rolling with him you know and you got to

be accepted by his homies so you're not

going to be settled up with this cat

just because you need a place to sleep

if you're not down with the program and

what i mean by that is not necessarily

that you're also oh it's just something

i want to do we'll do it after this

video i want to check lsf after this

before we get on the panel

daniel but you got to have this cast

back and it's got to be

uh he's got to be sanctioned by the

homies you know and so if something

jumps off

you gonna have to get your hands dirty

and if you don't get your hands dirty

you're gonna get your wig split and

that's just part of the program you know

now if that cat transfers

or goes somewhere else you're going to

set up with another north daniel most

likely you're not going to sell up with

a sereno because they're already going

to know you were settled with a north

daniel so they're not going to they're

not going to want to sell it with your

ass and they're going to ask you

you're going to have to move with

somebody else you're going to have to

get you a different celly but that's not

going to happen they're not going to put

a black in a cell with a pisa you know

they're not going to put um

you know

per se maybe a a gangster disciple and a

cell with a vice lord they don't do that

man they ask you when you first get to

the pen look

what gang you from what set you from

what you claim

what what who'd you from they ask you

all this [ __ ] and you can play oh i'm

not from nowhere look we're going to put

you in a cell with this [ __ ] and

if you're

not with the program or you are with the

program and you lie

you know it could be your it could be

detrimental to your life so they have

the guards ask you so ain't no faking

the funk but they don't just put people

in cells together who don't who they

feel can compromise their well-being

now i was at a spot where you know

it was it was a funny style spot and i

remember they had

a [ __ ] from a [ __ ] from alaska another

[ __ ] from alaska and he wasn't white he

was black

and uh

um another cat

from la is blood but they they somewhat

got along and we were in a three-man

cell

but then when another cell opened up

the the cat from alaska went with his

homeboy from uh seattle you know what

i'm saying and the blood one of his

partners from la

and that's that was that but

you know you don't they don't really put

you in cells with rival gangs you know

and the thing is if you're in a cell

with somebody for any duration of time

and you're silly with that with the

[ __ ] then you're gonna have to

either check him or get up out of there

because it's gonna put you with the

[ __ ] so if he's stealing selling

drugs

whatever he's doing you're a

co-conspirator so you could also be

subject to whatever

uh

liability comes with that part of the

game so if you're not with it you let

them a [ __ ] no you're not with it and

move along

but best believe if you're going to be

in a cell with somebody for any duration

of time

and this person's uh you know got [ __ ]

that's with them you know what i mean

whether it be b for pr issues you better

know what those issues or that beef is

because if it comes down to a

[ __ ] running up in a cell you

better be ready to lock and suck or

shank like the next man because just

because you're in there you're not gonna

get a pass if they run up in there to

get his ass believe me they're gonna

stick your ass too so

know who you're [ __ ] bunked up with

this is prison

prison is not no oh i'm just you know a

boy scout i'm just you know blah blah it

don't matter some of the people i debate

man

imagine them going to prison dude

ah yeah i i

it's such like a terrifying thought you

know it's like they leave a little bit

of people like they're gonna try to

debate their way out of [ __ ] they're

gonna think that they're oh well this is

the rules like they're gonna oh my god

dude that's like [ __ ]

please do not ever go to prison

you're gonna like think they've mastered

the rules of like prison they're gonna

be like according to the rules yes

god [ __ ]

how innocent your ass is you're gonna

have to learn some barbarian tactics for

survival no i've never been to prison

but i know enough about it based on what

prisoners have told me

and that's just how it is ain't no

escaping that [ __ ]

you know so

being who you are and what what position

you put you in

one way the other if you think you're

going to do your time and is totally

avoid all conflicts it's not going to

happen

because if [ __ ] happens and they see

your ass in that cell peeking through

that [ __ ] window when the doors

crack next time you go to chow and you

didn't have your homeboys back then

[ __ ] are going to split your

[ __ ] wig you best believe that

so

yeah man that's the ins and outs of

having a shelly and as far as you know

rival gangs

do you guys remember that guy on twitter

who was like

if leftists were inside prison they

would take it over in a week

they'd be like we would be uh we would

be leading ethnic gangs to teach them

about peter kropotkin conquest of bread

reading [ __ ] uh

anarchist literature

and [ __ ] you know they're not it's not

going down like that because once you

get a jacket on you in there and you're

associated with a particular click

the

the what do you call it the um

we call it the ssi i believe it's the uh

i forgot the actual name for it but the

one who handles all the gang activity

they got your they got all your

information they have a list of the

people you selled up with

they have problems probably knowing more

about your jacket than you think they do

so

it's not like they're going to be oh

we're going to put this this blood in

here with this [ __ ] or this uh python

here with this north daniel or this this

you know this guy in here with this guy

they know what the [ __ ] they're doing

and you better speak up because um you

will get that ass checked

[Music]

dude he looks [ __ ] terrifying when

he's like yeah dude look at this face

look at this face dude he's giving you

the look

he's giving you the look dude this is do

not mess around

monk s

let's check out lsf real quick

oh

drama

[Music]

oh

saturday

pokey mane's take on fed's return

so pokemane and fedmeister have beef

they have bad beef

um let me change this

main drama

okay we got drama

drama

okay let's see

they have bad blood and they have bad

beef

so we got a full screenness a lot of

people are gonna ask

um

let's full screen it

okay

what does our queen have to say

i know a lot of people are gonna ask me

about a certain someone

so i just it's me they're talking about

me okay

don't worry

don't you know it's all good pokemane

the beef is squashed

we don't have to debate there's no more

feuding

i'm making up with you right now olive

branch okay

just say his we all know who it is we

all know what this is about

um

there needs to be no longer any more

heartbreak okay

i broke up with you

just because i want to move on you know

and there's no bad feelings nothing

we're done okay it's over we're done

i just want to say my piece quickly and

kind of get out of the way

um

it's not my place to say whether or not

a person has changed because their

actions and words will

speak for themselves

uh all i know is that i can't be friends

with someone who

sexually assaulted people i care about

and handled it the way that he did so i

won't wait that's [ __ ] up what the

[ __ ]

that's [ __ ] i don't know i literally

don't know anything about this

be affiliating

with him or his circle we're gonna move

on with our lives he's gonna move on

with his life and that's life

that's really all i ought to say so

there's your clip guys okay i'm not

gonna talk

about it thanks

jesus who is this guy

i thought you said it was about you it's

not about me

he went away because of a bunch of [ __ ]

was leaked about him

sexually harassing her holy [ __ ]

jesus wait why did i upvote that what

the [ __ ]

anomaly accidental isn't the guy just

debated

anomaly

okay i don't care what he looks like

orson plays little fall guys what is

this

[Music]

don't care

pokemane responds to xqc drama

drama okay first of all i'm here to

defend my queen

excuse me shut up

xuc

shut your pie hole

stop xqc

leave her alone

xqc stop

right we'll see what it's about

and then you put your [ __ ] right next

to my ear and fart directly into my ear

canal please

what

[Music]

oh

no

oh

you know what she's laughing i'm gonna

do some train wreck [ __ ] she's laughing

and giggling and [ __ ]

imagine if alabrel said that

imagine

imagine a [ __ ] um

imagine a [ __ ] uh

who's someone on twitch

imagine if like some [ __ ] guy like um

imagine if like

someone with like no viewers said that

that would not be like some cute thing

that would be like a horrible thing to

say

right

i don't know

e-rob gets himself on akinator

no

does your character character calls a

no

should i do can akinator guess me

can this [ __ ] guess me

what

wait how did it start

no

that's your character did your character

calls like

no

you know what one i'm gonna i'm gonna

yeah i'm gonna do akinator after lsf one

atkinaetor we're gonna do it on stream

i'm gonna see if i can find myself

yeah i have to turn off

add

where is it

oh my god

where's it at right here

turn off ad block okay add block

refresh

okay

okay here we have it up okay we're gonna

play akinator

when are you going on a prime case panel

i never get invited

but it has to be with interesting people

asmin goes raises eyebrows 55 times in

one minute my boxes i think are more

gambling than slots is because you

always win something out of them who the

[ __ ] would count that

courage calls out minecraft stands

minecraft drama trying to stop mentions

of a lgbt

minecraft charity stream because they

don't like the gerund

derek chavin verdict

what

pokeman on why miskip is cancelled

all right let's more pokemane

he's talking about mischief yeah so

unfortunately we had to cancel the

podcast because of

all the weird and inappropriate things

miss kiff has done to me and my friends

what

i thought they were best friends

didn't pokemane and mischief have a

stream together

what

happened

i thought they were actually best

friends

can someone fill me in on the [ __ ]

mischief drama

um

including when he came over he took

a massive [ __ ] in my toilet and it

clogged it for weeks

and

sigma dude sigma

sigma dude nice misgive stop

[Music]

miss kip don't do that

do not do that miss kiff

i just don't know if i can be friends

with that kind of a person

so we've had to discontinue the podcast

and maybe if he changes i'll take

pokemane

my queen

please

pokey mane

you know what i mean

we could do our own podcast

i'm not going to la you come to michigan

i'm not going to la you have to come to

michigan

but let's do our own podcast po i'm

extending

an infor formal invitation

my hat milady

let's do a podcast

chat shut up

trying to ruin my prospects

anyone who says one negative thing about

pokeman in the chat i will literally ban

you please test it please test it

please test it one negative thing about

pokemon one

you can't band it you can't [ __ ] say

that

please test it

one person bad mouth pokemon

you will be permaban not even kidding

you will be permaban

i will perma-ban you

pokemane is mine

come back in

pokey is [ __ ]

you are literally banned forever i'm not

even kidding you just got banned forever

you literally just got banned forever

for the rest of your life you're banned

and you thought i was bluffing you are

literally banned forever

was it worth it

pokemane is my queen

you understand

you cannot insult pokeman in this chat

you will be banned forever

permanently

forever

her room is blah

oh really

oh really her room is what

what did you say about her room

come back in an hour

clean your room come back in an hour

do not dare

speak against my queen

this fiber intake in the future then

if we could maybe

consider restarting it but for now it's

been indefinitely canceled i'm sorry

good [ __ ] him now bring bring me on

miss gives done he had his chance

it's my turn

to be on the podcast

she was talking about

okay

oh wait why am i voting

this is ruthless business women thinks

gambling sponsors are scummy

what to two million one

hold on

we have another opinion from our queen

hold on everyone shut up be silent

she's talking at least one to two

million

of a return on their investment in me

and how do casinos make money by taking

money from people

so one to two million dollars of my

audience

says money is technically going

to the casinos right is that wrong is

that but i know the ratio is not one to

one yeah to some extent

that's kind of the gist of things very

true right

so true

crazy

absolutely true

how do you sleep at night

you tell them

tell them

the [ __ ] is that i mean the great water

bottle great water bottle at least one

to two million

um

chubby

don't think too much

[Music]

is it prop

prop

very funny

very funny clip hilarious clip

pokemane again

like let's be honest if you're getting

an offer from a casino sponsorship

you're already a multi-millionaire

you need to be a multi-multi-millionaire

very true once you get to a certain

point of wealth

you have so many options available to

you in order to generate more income

like you are so insanely so true easy so

true investing properly even not even

looking at what you're investing in a

random

vanguard whatever fun and just letting

it sit you're making free money

i feel like

it would be a good idea for people to

sit down at that point and think like

what am i very true

very true

or morally maybe just not worth it

very true

i could not agree more i could not agree

more

very true

russell on all the drama and being too

young

let's talk about the drama let's go

ahead what's up russell we'll see what

the drama is

talking about the drama you understand

let's see

you're really young lol i mean

i mean that's that's what happens when

you're uh

when you're born in a certain year

uh you're stuck to a certain age

and you uh you have to grow up from that

year

and then when you grow up from that year

you get older one year by one year by

one year

uh but you can never get older faster

than someone else who's already

pokey is canadian do you love canada now

no

they're older than you

so um i you know i stay younger than

everyone else who's older than

look at this pogers

azan about gizlane maxwell

you know i was surprised

she spoke the queen's english and

jeffrey was quite the opposite she's

also moroccan how we feeling that i'm

feeling it

he's from brooklyn he speaks brooklyn

the question is

what drew them together the theories are

[Music]

[ __ ] miners

streamer struggles to keep it

mounted the [ __ ] is this

what is this tv

i wish i had this

what is that

i need one of these

okay

saying parker's out loud is crying zolo

weren't you banned from the discord so

how would you come back in

zolo come back in 12 days buddy

oh [ __ ]

oh [ __ ] oh oh [ __ ]

oh [ __ ]

i'm an idiot i'm an absolute idiot

never mind don't trust me with anything

oh god

intriguing

intriguing yeah pokemon would never make

a mistake like that pokeman would never

make that mistake dude sorry

that's why pokemane is my queen because

she would never make that mistake

every time pokeman puts a computer

together

it is

flawless

zero issues

zero

zero anything you know zero anything

she would never make that mistake

fred fed learns that spreading your ex's

nudes is not good

what

he did that [ __ ]

dude what i love about destiny

destiny is like 30 years old he's like

the king of teen drama

oh they're not teased like he's like the

king of like this drop the offline tv

drama

you know what i respect it dude i

literally i would do it myself if i

could if i had as much viewers i would

literally do it myself you know every

time there's drama i'm going to cover it

every time there's offline tv drama i'm

going to be just like destiny and cover

all of it

soup yeah dude that sigma grind sets

we're talking about that sigma grind set

mary pokey that is the goal the goal is

to eventually marry our queen pokeman

so i could take the kingdom for myself

wait i'm kidding honestly wait

y'all didn't hear that y'all didn't hear

that

y'all didn't hear nothing

don't hear nothing

i'm gonna marry our queen pokemane

if

god willing

she

accepts

my hand in marriage

and i will

inherit the king i will make me king

of oliver

30 000 viewers

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okay okay wait wait a second

there's a story here where like um

yeah uh there was this this guy had a

girlfriend right yeah you know the

girlfriend sent him nudes okay and um

you know what happened they broke up and

so like out of anger the guy sent the

nudes to like his buddy and the buddy

sent it to the other buddy and they just

went like the whole school had her nudes

right that's cray

okay someone in the chat just said

something so [ __ ] weird that i don't

want to see them for two days

i just want to say like that in and of

itself is another example of like

violating consent even though you know

for so long we were trained to be like

oh consent has to do with like you know

like

[Laughter]

no it's

they're sensitive you guys know that if

a [ __ ] breaks up with you and you send

your nudes to everybody even that's

wrong guys

and i just want to see like

i mean uh isn't it illegal

i think it's illegal

bed's joke goes a little too far even

for destiny

what

even for destiny

fed officially what

i like to uh officially announce dawn

let me turn up the volume so we can

actually hear

offline tv rejects yo chris chan

albert get on the phone baby

what is up with fed dude he looks like

me he looks more like me now he's more

tan

he looks a little bit

more tan and that's it actually

yo we're getting a house

let's go

god it sounds like a [ __ ] porno let

me turn out to turn on the volume

oh my god that might be like the worst

joe no i don't even know if i would make

that joke

yeah it's

dude this is what i learned about the

internet it's super nihilistic and jake

paul and people just yeah super

nihilistic

uh

what

twitch email

said it was a banned mistake

what

that is how long ago was it it was like

a three-month ban

that is scary dude

that is terrifying

he got banned for a very strange reason

didn't even make sense but apparently it

was a mistake

and it took three months for him to get

unbanned that is scary dude that is

super scary

i don't know what's going i don't know

how it works i don't know how it works

but we're gonna keep following the rules

and you know keep it straight because

that is scary that is [ __ ] terrifying

dude

that is legit terrifying

honest to god that's legit terrifying

holy [ __ ]

shut dude [ __ ] youtube i will never go

back on youtube [ __ ] youtube youtube has

no i'm not gonna even [ __ ] begin the

lack of [ __ ] emotes alone

make youtube [ __ ] no [ __ ] youtube is

[ __ ]

youtube is dog [ __ ] yeah i have no

moderation powers over the chat no

control over the chat no [ __ ] emotes

literally dog [ __ ] community

youtube [ __ ] sucks

i get that our streams were more like

high energy that's because i had to make

them high energy because there's no

other way to get views because of

youtube's shitty algorithm

youtube has a [ __ ] dog [ __ ] [ __ ]

algorithm dude

the tank debate couldn't happen on

twitch

i'm glad it can't i'm literally glad it

can't happen on twitch because

the abuse i suffered on [ __ ] youtube

the abuse i suffered on youtube was way

too much

way too much

way too much okay

i went through a lot of [ __ ]

hassan reacts to lily's song about him

oh my god lily

lily made a song about her son

do you guys know who lily i know who

lily is

yeah i know that is

lily

yeah

lily yeah i know that is

definitely

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honestly if pokeman was singing it would

sound way better it's just me just to be

honest if if it was pokeman singing it

would sound so much better honestly so

much better

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oh yeah the pizza debate let's finish

this quick

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dude that is so

that's so cute dude what the [ __ ]

it's like a it's like an anime outro

dude what the [ __ ] that's so sick

give me goosebumps man

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let's continue

xqc starts the new metal

when people watch you eat the skin off

the bottom of your toes on stream okay

that is he eats the skin of his toes

wait i could i can

i can do that on stream

pokeman would never do that

hassan quit streaming to do music full

time i mean

i meant m60 with [ __ ] fortunate son

playing in the background as i [ __ ]

fly do you have butterflies in your

stomach when you see poke emain

absolutely yes absolutely uh very often

very often i am

super cringe super cringe

hassan is not cute he's super cringe

did anyone sell see the front page of

twitch what is this

nsfw

you know what's sad i can't even show

you guys the front page of twitch

because it's probably tos

trans women deserve respect

what the [ __ ]

that's the front page of twitch

that's like what kids see when they turn

on twitch

summit makes an observation what is this

he sees

i hate vsauce can i can i just put this

out here i hate vsauce i think he's a

fraud a charlatan i don't trust him i

don't like him and i hate him

vsauce knows nothing about science if he

did he would understand dialectical

materialism he doesn't

this perception occurs which i call red

that in your brain a perception like

this doesn't occur which you have of

course also learned to call red

that's [ __ ] green right there homies

true that's actually true

what the [ __ ] fedmeister is digging

himself a hole on stream first of all

what is this new is this a spray tan

or is this a normal tan

by the way the weather's been shitty

where i live so i can't tan

but he looks kind of good

he apparently he's a bad guy

but

he doesn't he's i don't know i think

it's a coped beard

place so i wanted to be around here to

make sure she was okay

um hold on wait let me raise the volume

i can't hear [ __ ] his [ __ ] mic sucks

i already don't like this guy wait this

is the guy

[ __ ] this guy dude [ __ ] this guy

very dark place so i wanted to be around

her to make sure she was okay

um you know this is someone that meant

the world to me so her happiness was

important to me um

you know i you know as i'm

hanging out with her so much like there

was this like sense of like intimacy

that like started to grow

and it started to grow but like when you

hang out with someone so much you know

and um

you know but there was a time when i was

in a room and i asked like hey can i

give you a

foot rub and she was like i'll [ __ ]

debate this guy who the [ __ ] is this guy

huh

okay

um

and um

and you know she said yes but you know

we were tipsy and you know in the moment

it felt real and honest for me to say

like

like i kind of like you but you know

when i woke up the next morning it was

like oh [ __ ] like

i

i did not i did not

um

i did not mean that and you know looking

back now it was a

you know

what

we've all asked pokey to give her a foot

rub

you need to come back in two days as a

reformed man or it's gonna be a

perma-ban

speak for yourself i have never asked

that in my [ __ ] life to anyone

let alone some streamer on from the

[ __ ] internet that you're basically

harassing

when you say that

xqc actually goes live after watching an

old amaranth vod

what

xqcl

oh no oh no

what

destiny debates his audience please

believe us

um but like beyond that like what are

they supposed to do i mean look

what what is hassan talking about here

about destiny

because i'm putting 100 percent

um i'm sorry i'm just [ __ ] with you

guys i feel like a lot of you guys hate

people that's what they're saying hassan

is 100 million correct here i'm actually

surprised um

yeah okay that's cool

xqc admits his fault with gambling

i promoted it on stream

too much

and we went way too far with this

and it's all my fault

because

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i'm a terrible person dude

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[Applause]

but then i bought a dog into the

gym and now we're good boys now we're

back

boys

flints i don't know what the [ __ ] this

is i don't think it's hard not to accept

the sponsorship trying to deflect onto

twitch is weak

miss kif leaks offers he got from online

gambling services companies

i don't want to ever gamble dude not

because for moral reasons just because

like i don't want to do it because it's

not just i know a lot of you guys just

know like rubric what is it is that it

rubit

i don't really know the names

um

steak everyone knows steak steak's the