Communism, State and Class

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what's up everybody how you guys doing

tonight

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let's get started let's get started

how's everybody doing in the chat

y'all doing good so we're gonna have a

more chill stream tonight it's not gonna

be five hours long obviously it's sunday

night

so you know what i'm saying i can't be

here for that long but uh

i wanted to have a short chill

educational stream

obviously i'm still going to be taking

questions so you guys want to have any

questions in the chat

go ahead and do that um

doing fine that's good to hear man it's

good to hear what's up red dondonian

what's up man of steel

um the reason i wanted to do this stream

in particular

is because i know i promised i was going

to have a little short stream

about class because i think this is

something that is continually

misunderstood

in america and britain and other

english-speaking countries as far as i'm

concerned

countries where the language i can

understand specifically in the west

doesn't seem like people have a good

understanding of what classes

and if you're active on a shithole site

called twitter

there's all sorts of debates what's up

bruno glad to see you here man there's

all sorts of stupid

fucking debates that are going on about

class reductionism versus identity

politics

race versus class and then worst of all

you have intersectionality

and intersectionality is not really

something i've seen marxist even the

ones

i would consider myself sympathetic to

really address

and be able to you know

overcome you know it seems like

implicitly everybody is a kind of

intersectional so well class is

important but other things are important

too

it's really on dialectical view because

it doesn't situate what class

is by the way guys if you're not

following me don't be scared to say so

in the chat because i want to

make this as accessible and

understandable it is is it

uh what's up ewoks glad to see you man i

can't wait for our collab

on friday right it was a friday or

saturday

but uh it's gonna be lit guys me and e

us and ewok

um infrared and ewok we're gonna collab

probably on a live stream

it's gonna be lit as fuck uh so i hope

to see you guys there it's going to be

friday i think

yeah we're going to have a really

interesting discussion

and uh it's going to be sick what's up

temujin

glad to be here it's going to be good

yeah yeah man it's going to be sick as

fuck

friday yeah it sounds mint

i don't know what that means um

but uh friday yeah yeah i remember it

was friday

friday is so saturday for me why is that

but um anyway yeah we're gonna

as i was saying um i want to have this

talk about class

because it seems to me even a lot of

marxist leninists in the anglo-spheres

english-speaking marxist leninist

tend to take i've seen for example i

don't want to call anybody out

i'm not someone not to start drama or

nothing i'm not that type of person

we just went off on the larp lords

so that's a warm up yeah it's really

refreshing to anticipate the fact

that we're entering an era oh we live in

new zealand

okay that makes sense then yeah it's

really refreshing to anticipate the fact

that we're approaching an era in which

marxism leninism isn't any longer going

to be associated

with larping because believe it or not

guys for a long time it actually was

for a long time marxism leninism was

just a form of larp

but we're entering a new type of era in

which tankies mean something else

entirely

but um anyway yeah

i've seen videos let me just say it you

know they're not starting drama i don't

have a problem with the person

but the guy named hugo pink i've seen

one of his videos i'm not too familiar

with a guy but as i was watching one of

his videos he said something

that is repeated often on bread tube and

i was kind of surprised to see him say

it

he said class something he implied

basically that class was defined

by your ability to fire people and the

power you have in the workplace and the

ability to have that kind of control

well actually that's not a materialistic

uh

definition or view of class that's

actually a political definition of class

right politics is about what politics is

the thing that's about sovereignty and

power

and control and all that kind of stuff

and we've been seeing in the west

that there's this influx of uh

i think caleb calls it post-modernism it

kind of traces to a french speaker

called foucault

who replaced the marxist class analysis

the materialistic analysis

with an analysis that was fixated on

power

in relationships of power and power was

the supreme thing

not material relations of production but

power control domination and so on and

so on

so i it's kind of um concerning to see

that there's marxist-leninists out there

or you know people adjacent to our tanki

sphere

who are kind of um concurring with that

americanization of the class analysis

class is actually not defined by the

power you have in the workplace

and your ability to influence decision

making and all that kind of stuff

that's more of a political and cultural

type of

thing it has actually nothing to do with

well everything has something to do with

everything that's a dialectical view

but that's actually not how uh marxists

in the past have defined or understood

what class

is class is not political it's economic

you can talk about the political and

cultural implications of that

that's fine and among those maybe

include the tremendous and you know

deciding power that

bosses have over workers but that's

actually not what defines what the class

is yeah you hear some more populist

right conservatives like sagar

engine and jetty i don't know who that

is talking about the managerial elite

well that is a thing that is a thing

don't get me wrong

but it's not necessarily the same thing

technically as the class as marx was

understanding it

but you can easily see that there is a

professional managerial elite

that can be understood as a definite

social formation in our society

um but it's not technically what a class

is in marxism and what a class is i'm

gonna get to really quick

and it's so simple guys it's gonna blow

your mind um

trying to vaguely sound like they're

talking about class when the managers

still work for capital two

ewok that's a very interesting point

because according to

the dogmatic west marxist view

actually ceos are the working class

because they're not they don't actually

technically own the means of production

they too are employees who are hired

i've seen that as a libertarian talking

point people tend to just dismiss it as

that

but i haven't seen a good response to

that argument and it's actually a

completely valid argument

but it doesn't necessarily mean that

there's no difference between ceos and

the average joe in america

what it means is that western marxists

need to go back to the basics and really

re-evaluate what they're taking for

granted because the way they've

responded to that is by saying

well ceos have more power but actually

power is not what defines classes and

class relations

neat isn't the political power reflected

in the material well uh i mean

traditionally isn't it the opposite neat

isn't it that uh the political is

actually what reflects the material

the material is actually what's primary

um

i think a lot of those that relationship

you know the whole basin superstructure

analogy is a little bit confused

and there's a lot of things wrong with

it but

on a you know it's better than if you

were to say the reverse that political

power is what determines class

sagar and jetty is the co-host of the

hill oh i like the hill people

actually i like sagar and um

what's her name uh crystal crystal ball

yeah i like both of them i don't have a

problem with them um

yeah exactly because the managers don't

own the means either exactly i even

meant like the year

yeah i mean weak foot calling frank

which will have some psychosexual some

weird psychosexual analysis

yeah i mean um not getting down that

rabbit hole because

we don't really have time to

psychoanalysis thing but

specifically you can still have a

coherent

understanding of the social differences

and the class struggle in the united

states between the professional

managerials

and the people but you need to get your

theory correct first

and then it'll be all clear what we're

dealing with what is a peasantry what is

the proletariat

what is um the the people the populist

people right

what is the professional managerial

class what is the metropolitan petite

bojosi why is there somehow a difference

between

uh city proletariat and rural proletary

you know what i'm saying

so this is really something that's

multi-dimensional that we're dealing

with

but if we can square off a correct

understanding of class

it'll enable us to make sense of all

these other really complicated things

including what's addressed by so-called

intersectionality which is

race what about race isn't race just as

important as class

um but they're different things is the

thing you have to get you have to

understand what class is

first and then it'll be clear why

there's a racial antagonism and all this

kind of stuff anti-imperialism and so on

and so on um

yeah i read sagar and crystal's book and

thought it was good for people that are

new to moving towards dissident

politics i'm especially really delighted

and glad to see jimmy dore's

recent video where he i didn't watch the

whole video so you know don't quote me

on this

but where he was talking about there's

that militia guy and he said i'd rather

have the people who have guns

be pro-black lives matter than be

against and he was basically saying

that these you know militia type people

maybe they have a potential um you know

and i kind of i like that jimmy dore

he's stepping outside of the

so-called progressive box and he's

realizing we're entering a new era of

politics in the united states

so i was really glad to see that

direction jimmy dore is headed in i

think sagar and crystal are kind of on

the same page

what's up papa chulo glad to see you

back um how are you doing

agreed we need to understand the base

before we get into the super show

exactly i want to just have a simple

understanding what is class

and then it'll allow us to have a more

nuanced and

you know ability to apply it and

everything will be very simple when we

have this

so the first thing i want to do

yeah it's straight up great to reach out

to other people like that jimmy is doing

yeah i mean i think we're all here at

the infrared show we're all big fans of

jimmy dore

so um yeah there's that but uh

so let's get straight to it okay the

first thing i want to do is i want to

give you guys a brief historical

background

about the origin of the significance of

class

specifically in the 19th century okay so

the first thing i want to ask the chat

and

everyone you can share what you think

but i want to i want to get

this ball wrong by having you guys think

about this why

is it that something called class

as a concept the concept of class why

would this

enter into significance now for all of

almost

all of recorded human history i say

recorded

emphasis on recording jimmy and caleb

maupin got shit on so much for doing so

much more

yeah i mean jimmy and caleb are

definitely doing good work

um uh oh the boog boys are anti-racist

and willing to fight for what they

believe their thing is that don't

differentiate from a bourgeois state and

protein

well yeah they're not marxist but the

main thing and i'm going to kind of get

to this is this question of

you have a white supremacy either way so

vosh is the person who says let's side

with the white supremacist state

and the institutions because those are

formally making him feel like a safe

space

as opposed to the rebellious toxic

masses

but the marxist materialist view would

be that that state actually comes from

the masses so if you're if there's any

hope whatsoever it's going to come from

those masses if you want to have a reset

and you want to overcome white supremacy

you don't side with

the establishment you don't side with

the city white people you're going to

side with the rule white people because

the rule white people are the material

foundation

and racism and all that kind of stuff is

is a kind of super structural thing

right

so if you go to the origin and source

maybe they're racist or toxic and all

this stuff

but at least they have the potential to

generate something new

and that's always been the marxist view

since lenin at least

but i would also argue it was marx's

view as well but

it's just kind of been hush up touched

up and de-emphasized

um jimmy

beating stalin's high score door yeah

facts did you see jimmy tear apart the

trot

oh no i didn't see that maybe we'll

react to it later

i would love to actually watch that i

really want to watch that

um he posted up facts and bass um yeah

uh i don't know how to enable links in

the chat so links in the chat don't work

go ahead to our twitter and link it to

my twitter and my dms

and we'll watch it later in infrared if

you could see

what's up quindy glad to see you here

quinny's been here from the start

uh from the very beginning they

commented on our video

glad to see you here man um

class solitude oh it was like 40 i saw

that i actually just saw that yeah

i'm gonna check it out but anyway what i

was talking about is

in the 19th century why is it that

something like class

became a concept because for all of

mankind's recorded history

there's always been observable social

differentiations

there's been different castes there's

been feudalism obviously but even before

feudalism there's different ranks

there's nobles there's slaves

there's all sorts of social distinctions

that existed before industrial

capitalism

but only with marxism do we have

a general concept of class

so what i want to get the ball rolling

and have you guys think about is

what is the origin of the concept of

class why do we have a

concept of class uh in general

and uh guys comment if you can't really

follow if this is too complicated i'll

try to

you know i want to work with you guys i

just want to you know make this

educational make this fruitful for

everybody

uh and we there's you know there's not

enough of us

for for me not to justify being able to

help everyone

so literally everyone in the chat i'm

gonna be able to help you

understand this okay if we have 200

viewers it's going to be tough but for

now we we don't have that many viewers

so i'm really going to be able to work

with you and help you so if you

just bear with me here you know um

uh so uh i have my theories but i think

the assumption of liberalism's class

abolition face value is just flawed

well the concept of classes we're

focusing what is the origin of the

concept

of class um

there's there are explicit class

distinctions not as hard as in feudalism

well in feudalism 200 viewers in no time

maybe

appreciate that toe but we really think

so too we think 250 viewers

you're gonna eventually see 250 viewers

uh below and we're anticipating it we're

ready for it

um that's what i'm worried about be

right to have 200 views but at the same

time feel like 50 easier to read all the

chats

that is a trade-off but at the same time

i'm sure there's going to be a way to

you know i'm going to remember you guys

you know so i'm going to remember you

guys

uh at least i will i think everyone else

in our group will as well

we're going to remember you guys so when

we have 200 viewers your comments are

probably gonna get

priority you know um

because you've been here from the start

and you're you know we trust you you

know we know you're not gonna you're not

trolls and you're not

you know fucking just fucking with us

i'll be back to make some lunch

sweet spot is 80 90 people even that

would be great you know but we think we

can

we're not worrying about views that much

right now you know right now we just

want to

um just get ourselves out there hey

infrared do you think one of the

problems of western emails don't put

much emphasis on marx's theories of

alienation

um i can get to that i'm not sure how

much i can get to with this stream

this stream is mainly going to be about

class and the question i want i'm

throwing out there for you guys to think

about

is what is the origin of the concept of

class

because the general concept of class has

its origin with marks or not necessarily

marx but in the 19th century

before the 19th century there were casts

and social distinctions

of all sorts and all civilizations but

there was never a general concept of

of a class there were if you wanted to

talk about class you were going to be

talking about particular classes

if you lived in the feudalism right

you're talking about knights and nobles

and all that kind of bullshit

and you're just talking about the

particular classes

you're not talking about class in

general so the thing we want to think

about

is how did class in general arise okay

that's the most important thing that

that has to be interrogated if we want

to arrive at a good co

a good understanding of class where we

are right now

um just have to police the chat until it

gets too big twitch streamers

mild chats of one yeah i mean we'll have

mods and all that kind of stuff too

we're not really worried about it

yeah all right too we're gonna remember

who was exactly yeah we're all gonna

remember who's here from the start the

the people here from the start the ogs

they're always gonna get priority in the

future

um uh got you yo okay that's not for me

the theory of class appeared when it

needed to what's up mr d glassy here

uh when the old class structure broke

down and people needed to describe

but mr g here's the problem with that is

that class structures have always been

broken down and rebuilt and so on

across the history of humanity you know

so that was nothing new

that specifically was nothing new the

ancients did have a concept of social

distinctions as a general rule though

right but class in general right class

in the

abstract in the sa in the sense of

marxism

specifically as it concerns material

relations of production

and not just explicit um explicit polit

political distinctions and rank and so

on and so on so that's the question we

have to ask answer

perhaps production became a social act

as angel said but i would argue and i

think

marx and engels would argue the same

thing is that production was always

social i mean from the very

beginning of humanity it was social the

difference between kings freeman slaves

merchants and priests

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right there had always been class

distinctions but a general theory and

concept of class

is something modern um society as a

whole is more and more splitting up to

two great hostile camps

that's a okay neat is needs uh

hitting on the money here need is the

one hitting on the money here i think

he's saying he's quoting society as a

whole is more and more splitting up into

two two great hostile camps two

classes directly facing each other

there's something really significant

about that okay

two okay just two in the history of

mankind there is all sorts of social

distinctions

clearly in our society there's all sorts

of different kinds of social

distinctions

but in the modern era as was described

by marx and engels

society is splitting up into two great

hostile camps

only two okay so we're gonna we're gonna

go

go ahead and uh unravel this in a

dialectic way gonna explain this in a

dialectic way

um here at base neat um we're gonna get

to it okay i'm just gonna cut to the

chase

the reason why there arose a general

concept of class

is because of this it's very simple

almost for the first time

uh hold on because the differences are

implicit not explicit

under liberalism where classes are not

natural distinctions

but the question is why right and i'm

going to try to get to that um what's up

leonard i think this is the first time

seen here glad to see you here man

i'm i'm great chilling with ricegang

watching aki infrared preach the word

thanks puja appreciate it large portions

of the population became more involved

but i think that's always been the case

cosmonaut they've always been involved

you know the silk road and

so on motor production share this

streamer i appreciate it man

it is a sunday night we're not expecting

crazy views but it's enough to be able

to

you know just talk to you guys about

this this isn't going to be like a five

hour stream

but i want you guys to take something

away and get something out of this

um hey comrade okay see you later ewoks

i'm gonna see you friday

with that collab looking forward to it

man it's gonna be great

watch the rest tomorrow if it's still up

yeah we might keep it up actually we

might keep it up

um because i'm a little less

embarrassing this stream

thank you man greeting from mexico oh

that's great to hear

we have a guy from mexico in our group

uh his name is jorge

you've probably seen him if you watched

our previous videos um

the reason a general concept of class

came into being and arose

was because the concept of the modern

nation state

okay okay let me just get to it first it

was because

of the french revolutions okay which was

itself the culmination of a certain

history

the french revolution's uh destruction

of official distinctions in the sphere

of the state and politics

meaning the french revolution destroyed

all

state and politically recognized social

distinctions

after the french revolution from the

perspective of the state

and the law everyone was equal it's

you know it's what they call bourgeois

or formal equality

some people might object that there's

still existing discrimination you know

maybe against minorities or relig

but ultimately okay ultimately

within the polity the french polity if

you're a citizen of the french polity

you're an equal okay and

quite explicitly this is actually a form

of what they call

neoclassicism okay classicism

which began in the renaissance and was

developed through

specifically cultivated as an aesthetic

trend and also another kind of trend in

england

remember the british empire i'm kind of

schizo all over the place bear with me

here

the british empire was looking toward um

rome the roman empire as as it was

considering itself the the heir of the

roman empire

okay and the the

cultural you know the culture of the

french revolution was very influenced by

this history of

looking back to ancient rome as the

golden age that was lost

from the middle ages so this began in

the renaissance basically okay

and within the roman and greek whatever

polities right there was this formal

equality before the law

for citizens the meaning of a republic

okay a republic

meant some type of way in which the

state

recognized everyone gave everyone

political recognition

and premised all members of a polity

okay

as the responsible and um

civil uh participants of the state

okay uh haha keep this stream unlisted

if you do in our book and we might just

do that

before then the state was basically the

king as a glorified warlord

eugenics i actually think that hasn't

changed i'll get to that

howdy schizomlgang yeah uh the

disintegration of hereditary rule

not specifically the essential thing is

the french revolution's

complete destruction of distinctions

okay this politically recognized

distinctions

in citizenship there was just the

citizen

who's a member of the republic and this

is a neo-classical

type of politics hearkening back to the

days of ancient rome

and ancient greece specifically ancient

rome okay

um there's that famous picture of the

french revolution

i'm not i can't show it on stream right

now maybe i can but i don't know if it's

worth it

of the the oath of the hooray i'm sorry

i can't pronounce it horatia or whatever

where they're giving that kind of roman

salute

and this was a this is an iconic picture

of the french revolution okay

so it's the french revolution that made

possible a

general understanding of class why

because in the french revolution right

there arose a concept of the citizen

okay this

i'm here what's up what's up pride to

lunes aka for lines glad to see you here

man i think you were here for our first

or second stream

but uh it's really glad to see you here

back man um

afroline i'll just call you afroline

because your name's really long

um but anyway yeah the french revolution

is why there arose a general concept of

class

because to put a long story short guys

after the formal equality of the french

revolution

which made everyone a citizen okay who

is a part of the polity the political

policy

a citizen of the republic

it could still be observed that there

were some kind of social distinction

okay some kind of social distinction

some essential social distinction can be

observed

let me go further with this after the

restoration

if you guys know about that because i

don't want to take anything for granted

after the restoration right and after

the defeat of napoleon

the french monarchy was restored so the

french revolution became a distant ideal

for europe's intellectuals and thinkers

and the way in which they were

responding to their contemporary

injustices and antagonisms

was looking back to the good old ideals

of the french revolution

namely responding to the injustices and

inequalities and all that of the ancient

regime and the

restore the restored

order by mitternac whatever

was basically looking toward this

equality formal equality as the model of

the future

we want to be equal citizens no more

lords no more nobles

that was basically the trend right

socialism before

socialism more or less okay i'm

simplifying a lot of things but

yeah imagine not liking yeah it's crazy

we have 15 likes that's half the viewers

i think that's the most we've ever had

so you guys are breaking records here we

appreciate it guys appreciate all the

likes

but anyway um

so uh back to my train of thought i'm

sorry i don't want to get too distracted

um basically the uh

people were looking at the french

revolution as a way jesus 17 even more

than half

proto-socialism tova in the sense that

people who would

later become socialist intellectuals

were first

for example uh the english romantics

they were first looking at the ideals of

the french revolution

as basically the way in which they were

making sense of the world

basically the ideals of the french

revolution right the neoclassicism of

the french revolution this return to

republican equality republican virtue

this was basically the way in which

people

were um were expressing this deeper

aspiration for some kind of

uh social equality um

uh tell me if if that still doesn't make

sense to you

and i'll i'll i'll work with you you

know i want everybody to be able to

understand what's what i'm trying to say

here

and like i said there's there's few of

you in the chat

so i can work with everyone you know so

maupin is live right now

i don't want to take away from him but

we already started and yeah

i think he already has a lot of viewers

anyway but um

what the fuck someone dislike yeah

usually about two or three people come

to our stream

and dislike our stream but they're too

much of cowards to ever say anything in

the chat and i've never

i've only had one hostile person ever in

this chat

and it's just how cowardly people are

they're gonna report us they're gonna

dislike us

because basically they're pussies and

they're not gonna they're not actually

saying anything because they know i'm

gonna

directly address them you know live

right here

but yes we do have haters uh we do have

dislikers

and i'm just not gonna focus on them you

know

i'm here for infrared i appreciate that

afro line we really appreciate it

um we try to be i try to be you know i

don't want to

you know go live too often when other

people are live like

if i if caleb's already live i probably

won't click the live button

just personally i just dislike to mess

with you okay thanks neet

appreciate it but there is you know at

least unless you have three accounts

there's at least

one hater we have i don't care what

people would be hating on you now

well i i've brought it up i've brought

it on us you know

all that shit talking i was having about

bread tube and stuff there's about

anglos there's bound to be people who

just don't like us another thing is that

we're very heterodox in our approach to

marxism

and it's very controversial stuff i

don't know if you guys know this

but we said in our recent videos and

i've made the argument several times and

i'm going to devote a video to this

stream to this maybe that we live in

socialism

and that's something that just people

really have a hard time

you know that's something that almost

triggers a lot of people it even

triggers people i think in our own

group anti-anglo action is super

necessary yeah

but let's get back to this main point

okay the main point is that after the

restoration

the the intellectuals of europe the

higher id

people who were thinking of higher

ideals to respond to society's ailments

they were looking at the french

revolution they were looking at the

republican equality of the citizen as

basically the way to respond to

society's ill society's problems

okay but so the reason i'm bringing that

up

is because it's not just that you they

could observe that social distinctions

persisted

in spite of the fact that everyone was

equal

formally because even before everyone

was formally equal

again because you have to bear in mind

that the

french republic came to an end and the

monarchy was restored

people came to the realization i forget

who the author was but this is the guy

who actually

brought um into being the term

proletariat this is the origin of the

term the proletariat

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the reason is people could put two and

two together about the fact

that even on this very abstract level in

this intellectual abstract level you

could deduce

arithmetically right that

even if we are all equal politically

there is some kind of contradiction

some kind of paradox that persists neet

brought this up

with the quote in society there seems to

be two great classes forming

i forget the exact quote maybe he'll he

can quote it again

we live in socialism can you clarify red

dundonian

i think i will if i have time this

stream i'm going to clarify

but i want to on us to be on the same

page about class first

so let's see how fast i can get through

this and then i'm going to talk about

the socialism thing

and i actually might be able to talk

might be able to loop it in because

they're actually

related um i want you guys to bear in

mind this is a hetero and i'm gonna just

be honest with you guys

this is a there you go nate neet just uh

he just linked the quote again society

as a whole is more and more splitting up

into two great hostile camps

into two great classes directly facing

each other malik shaw glad to see you

man what's up man

glad to have you here yeah nietzsche uh

he shared it into the chat

and basically that's what we're talking

about here that's the paradox the

antagonism

that you could even deduce and arrive at

on this abstract intellectual level

if you held as an ideal that the

key to society solving or responding to

society's ailments lies in the

republican equality of the citizen

you could even deduce in your head why

it is that society

would split up into two great hostile

camps

two great classes directly facing each

other actually this is what was

happening in england

in england even before the french sorry

even before the reforms that would

basically create some

measure of common social equality

as as far as the state was concerned

right that everyone's a citizen with

equal rights and so on and so on uh

this universal suffrage and all those

kinds of things people could perceive

that republican equality of the citizen

was not going to be able to respond to

this deeper type of antagonism

that was happening in society so guys

pay attention to the quote neet just

shared

okay and i wanna you know i wish

our streams are not that high quality

yet guys so i'm not able to pull quotes

and show you guys things like how we do

on our video but i'm gonna get to

a point where we're going to be able to

do that basically

but um i get you're we're already living

in socials and point you're

referencing the different times

socialism it's not just that poon job

it's actually a more subtle point that i

might be able to get to here

which is that you i think we need to

have a political economy of socialism

right and i'm going to get to what that

means but uh trust me just don't worry

about that issue yet i just brought it

as an example that

the approach i'm going off of right now

guys and i was going to take a moment

to observe this guys 24 likes and 30

viewers

isn't that fucking crazy we've never had

that many likes i don't think

and the proportion of likes to viewers

is insane we appreciate that so much

guys

you're breaking records here we've never

had that

the falcon general what's up man glad to

see you back glad to see you here

25 that's fucking crazy 25 likes and 30

viewers

that is crazy you're breaking records

guys every single

one of you is based here it's none of

you are bots either you know i always

wonder if some

viewers are bots but it seems like

everybody's engaged everybody's here

everybody's paying attention

we're all in the we're all on the tanky

train we're all watching we're all in

this infrared thing we're all gonna rise

together

like i said before a rising tide lifts

all boats bread tube is going down

but let's have this educational stream

or someone took away their like that's

okay i forgive you

let's um let's have this educational

stream though just so you know because i

want you guys to be able to take

something away from this

um so uh oh

jorge is joining awesome

needs is clearly an algorithm yeah

rise up uh jorge is still connecting i

think

well i don't know we're all riding the

tanki train okay um

bear with me it's a sunday night okay

you guys know where i i left off though

so we're talking about the fact

that the french revolutionary republican

equality

was not able

what's up jorge jorge there's really bad

feedback i think coming from

the your your side

you say you aren't an anarchist but you

want to smash that like button

i i mean you guys if you don't want to

like that's completely fine

it's enough for you guys to be able to

take something away from this right i

just want to put something out there for

you guys

um and bear with me guys if any of this

is confusing or you want me to clarify

it a little bit more because i do have

time for every single one of you

we have such few viewers right now that

i can actually help

each and every one of you fuck tankies

all my guys are tractors

that doesn't have the same ring to it

whatsoever neat quick side question how

many of us love thompson

i actually didn't jorge has bad lighting

well i i just asked you to forgive him

then

india tracked your game hold up a bowl

of rice to show support

i might be able to do that soon um

i have food coming and it's expected oh

it's not here yet okay that's fine

um lefty pool is far from perfect but

it's an it's exposure to

some part of what socialism has been

actually entailed i've never been on

that site i'm not familiar with that

site

i mean i've seen it uh before

but i've never like posted on it and

been active on it so i'm not

that familiar with lefty pool yeah nice

rice's in the chat guys

but anyway um getting back to class

uh as far as what classes

can someone in chat tell me what

happened it's a podcast right

jorge needs to get a ring light

i don't have a ring light so i think

yeah i don't think it's that important

but um is the only thing i can do

the other possibility is this so

yeah guys i don't think it's that bad

honestly

um but anyway uh

uh yeah getting back to what i was

saying about class

um i got some pdfs from yeah

i yeah all those sites are sharing

really cool stuff

and another thing is since you mentioned

pdfs shout out to scihub where i think

we're all

really big fans of sci hub here i don't

know if how can i support sci hub

donate to sci hub if you can guys it's

one of the only causes on the internet

that i actually believe in is sci hub

i fucking love the people over at scihab

and i'm so grateful for that to them

but anyway getting back to this point

about class okay

formal political equality was the i need

you guys to bear this in mind

formal political equality is the premise

of having a concept of class

this is what makes possible a concept of

class and it's also something you need

to presuppose

in order to have a concept of class so i

don't know if i should open up

ms paint but again guys if

you're not able to follow this um just

let me know in the chat

this is how it is basically you have a

polity or a nation of some kind let's

say france

everyone is an equal citizen okay you

have to presuppose this

first in order for meaningful

in order for the essence of class to

reveal itself

as what neet described as society

splitting up into two great camps now

england didn't have

formal political equality and england

was the quintessential example of this

splitting up into two camps

but it was taken as an article of proof

for the

romantic ideologists of the french

revolution

that in fact formal political equality

is not actually

enough to address or solve this paradox

and in fact it's the very premise of

this paradox okay

um when we are all equal social when

we're all politically equal

so to speak that's actually when

class reveals itself okay political

equality is what reveals the essence of

class

and now i'm gonna get to what is class

right finally what this whole stream is

about i'm going to give you a coherence

and extremely simple understanding of

what class is ready

in fact

abstractly and intellectually speaking i

want you guys to open up a

hypothetical bubble in your head i'm not

asking you to accept this wholesale and

apply it to every single

just the hypothetical bubble in your

head you can think about it in this way

is what i'm trying to say

there are actually only two real classes

there are only two real classes did you

know that we have six or seven communist

countries if you count china but the

sixth or seventh are nepal

and interesting but guys this is what i

wanted to get to

there are actually in fact only two

classes

okay there are only actually two real

classes classes okay

and the classes these two classes

are the result of formal political

equality

formal political equality specifically

as its relevance

to the sphere of exchange the exchange

of goods

okay the exchange of goods why is this

why does the formal political equality

that allows

all of us to exchange goods as equals

and enter into relationships

contractually rather than based

on tradition or bondage or

slavery or serfdom or whatever you want

to call it yes the bourgeoisie and the

proletariat

are in fact the only two classes

if we take class uh if we're talking

about the essence of what class

is there's only two classes

and the presupposition of class this

the only way we can arrive at the true

essence of class

is if we in our heads even

hypothetically as a thought experiment

just assume that everyone is politically

equal assume that everyone is equal

and is free to enter into contractual

exchanges with one another

rather than exchanges an association

that's based in tradition

or based in um bondage

forced some kind of forced bondage like

serfdom

okay this is where we see

class this is where class makes itself

evident

and uh this is the reason why okay

the reason why is very simple

inevitably okay inevitably

when we're all equal actors selling our

goods

there's one good that's also needs to be

sold

okay and you know this as labor

but why is that significant why is this

crate such a paradox why does this

create such an antagonism

why is it such an antagonism that on the

one hand

goods are sold physical things are sold

and exchanged and

brought onto the market and on the other

hand labor is

why does labor why is labor such an

important exception

it's very simple it's a very simple type

of arithmetic

it's a very simple uh you don't need

anything complicated to think about why

labor is so significant ready

because for all the goods that are going

to be exchanged in the market

labor is the condition of possibility of

those goods

labor abstractly defined just means

the thing that is the source of all

those goods

so the paradox of labor as something

that becomes sold

as a good similar in the way that you

would sell

rice and beans and fucking bread and

i don't know what else you know you

would you'd be a craftsman

selling jewels and pottery or whatever

you want the reason why it's so

paradoxical

that labor itself becomes sold as just

another good

is because labor is actually the source

of all goods

labor in the abstract and this is

formally true this is even formally true

when you're paid for your you're not

paid

for you're paid for your labor

abstractly in wages

and money okay you're paid for your

labor abstractly

um so this is even formally true

okay um

this is the source of class okay

because some people must primarily

sell their own labor okay

not only their own labor but labor in

general which

they participate in because remember

labor is social

some people the majority of people

at least if we presuppose this pure

equality of citizens

some people are going to be selling

labor itself

labor which is the source of goods and

some people

will only sell goods okay

some people will sell goods and sell

buy labor in order to produce goods and

some people will only be able to sell

labor itself

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that is the proletariat in the

bourgeoisie you can think of the fact

that there's only two classes in this

very simple

sense class has to sell labor

another class sells the product of labor

one class sells labor one class sells

the product of labor

labor very simply refers to the human

and social conditions of possibility of

the product

this is why it's so paradoxical i will

sell you

um a jacket which is the

example marx likes to use in capital i

will sell you a jacket

which crystallizes a certain amount of

labor some people

will sell the labor itself that makes

the jacket possible

the conditions of the possibility of

products are

social and human in nature

okay they don't come from nowhere with

the whole question of automation that's

become more complicated

and i'll get to that but i just want us

to all be on the same page about

this enver hoja okay based

i guess uh

so far uh there's 24 likes which is

crazy

29 viewers and 24 likes that means only

five people haven't liked it that is a

crazy proportion

so so far is the chat following me on

this or is there something

should i elaborate more or are you

following me or uh

how have i been doing as far as the

presentation is concerned

because i want to be able to you know i

want to be able to address everybody's

confusion

you're following great to hear tova

great to hear it's

it's quick because if you can if

everybody's following we can

we can expand it we can go even further

in this rabbit hole

falling very digestible i'm glad to hear

that i'm glad to hear that

one some feedback i always get is that

i'm very incomprehensible i'm

schizophrenic and i don't ever make

sense

so i'm really glad to hear you guys be

able to understand this i'm listening

but i wanna

do not worry about interrupting me

punjab don't worry about interrupting me

okay i'm here for you guys there's a

there's a few of enough of you here for

me

for me to be able to attend to your

specific

questions and concerns unless okay

now i want to get to this okay

i've talked about what a class is and

i've talked about the premises of a

class

the premise of class right is political

and formal equality

but this political informal equality is

not

in the either it's not abstract it's

instantiated

in a state or a nation by the way guys

if if you just hear this my ac is on so

if you hear

i'm ac my heaters on if you hear

background noise let me know control the

labor power

no no no no neat i don't know if you're

trolling neat

do not forget about control okay

forget about control everybody just

focus on this simple fact

we are all equal agents

in the marketplace all of the relations

we're entering in with one another are

based on

contractual equal relationships

it's not about control it's simply about

the fact that some people

are selling goods and some people have

to sell the very source of those goods

because the source of those goods is

social and human in nature

work is what produces those goods now

this whole question of automation and

all these confusions i'll get to

but i want you guys to x out the

political elements

because when we're introducing politics

we're losing the ball

okay to understand class you need to

forget

you need to think of politics only

abstractly

yes it's premised by politics and i'll

get to that but just assume

everyone is equal politically if you

assume that you're gonna arrive at the

essence of class

when you start talking about control

this may cover class relations

but it's not actually what's essential

okay because even if we're all equal

formally as citizens some inevitable

paradox of class

is still arising you made enough sense

to me but i have tendency to follow

different strands of thought that don't

seem

connected schizomlgang i guess that's it

yeah

clear okay glad to hear it neat and i

think i'm gonna keep this video up

actually

because you guys are having such great

feedback to it and apparently

you guys are following and i'm really

glad to hear that so i'm gonna keep this

video up

um okay i'm glad we're on the same page

as that

we understand control forget about

control right now right we don't want to

talk

think about control it's way more

guys not to go on off on a tangent but

this whole issue with control and

domination is actually something

based in the information age what we

call the information age because

with cybernetics which is a loaded word

with the computer age and the

information age you're dealing with

huge structures and systems of scale

so this issue of control and information

and feedback

that's why control has become so

significant

in the way marxists are presenting class

but they're forgetting the actual

origins in history

that made this concept necessary and

possible dialectic materialism is

about materialism okay let me just um

continue on this for now

and we can go to other things maybe

later get this stream to 50 likes my

final message goodbye

see you later quindy really glad to have

you here

and uh thank you so much for for the

support seriously gotta go

yeah it's fine man we're not going to

hold it to you you know

you don't have to be here out of guilt

you know we um

we'll be we're going to keep streaming

you know it's completely fine

um but anyway just so we're on the same

page right guys

condensing what i just said okay first

we have something called

political formal equality neoclassicist

roman uh republican equality of citizens

presupposing this which means that all

of the relations that we're entering in

on the marketplace are based on

voluntary

and free contracts contractual

association

right um this is liberalism by the way

more or less liberalism this is the

meaning of liberalism is this

these relationships are purely defined

by explicit

voluntary and contractual relationships

this is basically liberalism so that's

why it existed in england

um presupposing this some people are

selling goods

and some people are selling the very

means by which goods are possible which

is labor

and this can even be a uh uh

a hypothetical construction you can even

imagine this and deduce this in your

head

as just something that makes sense it

doesn't even have to express itself as a

real phenomena you you can anticipate

the proletariat before the proletariat

even exists

just from this basic fact we have goods

the requirements for the realization of

goods are social and human in nature

specifically in the form of labor

therefore

some people the only goods that they're

going to have

is the very conditions of goods

possibility labor

and it's kind of paradoxical because

labor is included as just one good among

yenni

among others and yet labor is only

defined as

what you need for goods to be possible

you see what i'm saying so we're on the

same page

okay now let me explain to you very

simply

why we our views are heterodox and we

diverge from western marxism

and we think western marxists don't have

a dialectical

or materialist view of class

because keep in mind what i just said

and this is where you should have turned

something on in your head when i said

this

it presupposes formal political

republican equality that's based in a

policy that's based in nation

but there's two problems with that one

this formal equality doesn't exist in

the

either somewhere it's instanced in

some kind of common political

institution

some kind of common polity some kind of

definite determinant

state some real thing the french state

doesn't exist in the either it's

something that actually exists in

reality

and if it actually exists in reality

then

its premises are material it doesn't

come from nowhere

so we cannot make the assumption

actually that everyone is an equal

citizen for two very simple reasons

the first reason is that

there are different states moreover

there are different nations and nations

give rise to states right there are

different nations and there are

different states

the second most important reason is that

even when you consolidate some kind of

formal equality it's always incomplete

i'm going to give you an example of why

it's always incomplete

what is a western marxist i'll get to it

i'll get to it don't worry but let me

just complete this kind of point and

then i'm gonna do a check

to make sure to see if you guys are

still following me on this because i

know this stuff is

uh this is really kind of territory

that's heterodox and it gets me in a lot

of trouble with marxists

when i get here western marxists i

should say

so back to what i was saying

even when you've created formal equality

in the eyes of the state republican

equality that allows all of us to be

equal participants in the market this is

never complete

this is never fully consolidated

and the reason is very simple right it's

what i just said

the foundations of the polity you guys

know what a polity is a polity is a more

general word for a state

but it's more general because a polity

can refer to any type of instantiation

of

political power that encompasses a

people

so that's a polity a policy is just a

more general word for a state

i don't really like the word state that

much i prefer polity

it's more specific a polity because a

polity is determined in particular

the way in which it's able to recognize

and give recognition to the people

over whom it rules is going to be

limited

and i'm going to give you france

actually as the very example of this

so france is a polity right france

recognizes

all of its people as equal as equal

citizens who

are free but here's the problem because

it is materially limited

because it's determinate in real the

state

the extent of the city of the people

living in france

who are able to be recognized by the

institution

of the french state the polity

is inevitably going to be limited it's

going to be limited specifically to the

people who are first and foremost

geographically close to the institutions

out of which this state exerts its power

the cities

in the countryside the majority of the

french nation maybe

they are going to be excluded by these

institutions

not um not because the institutions

don't want them

but because the institutions are

materially limited

in their ability to encompass all of the

people in the polity over which

it has dominion okay

so institutions okay

institutions of the state

that i'm going to use an alto syrian

word

that interpolate people as

citizens equal citizens are materially

definite and therefore

finite and limited

the only way in which oh sorry i'll be

right back

uh i just have one stick

appreciate it

sorry i just have food okay um sorry for

cutting myself off

um the

uh the um

sorry i'm trying to get my back to my

train of thought the polity

right even within a nation a nation

is going to be limited in regards to its

material foundation in the people

you have the majority of the people and

you have institutions

that give that interpolate the people as

equal citizens

but these institutions are materially

limited

and definite they're finite they're not

inevitably going to encompass

everyone there's aspects of the people

that it necessarily is going to um

not be able to take into account because

the people are infinite

the people are material they're infinite

in a sense

right they're the very foundation of

these institutions

the institutions are finite

do you guys follow me on this so far the

first one i think you understand

which is that there are different states

and there are different polities

that's the first mistake marxists

overlook there's different states and

there's different

polities but even within the states and

the polities

the way in which institutions

make their people universal and equal

citizens

is limited does that make sense to you

guys or no

because now we're entering really tough

waters

all clear so far really glad to hear

that malik

following okay glad to hear guys

um yep i'm kind of lost not gonna lie

but i'm not fully paying attention okay

neat do you want me to help you

like what are you lost about jennifer

eisen what the heck what's up jennifer

um you you've missed a lot of this

stream so

um you might be a little lost where

we're at right now but um

that's okay i'm gonna keep reiterating

and giving a rundown of

summary of where we were for new viewers

um

what was your last sentence my last

sentence was that there are two reasons

why the marxist the western marxist view

of class is flawed

the two reasons are simple as we've

already said

the presupposition of class the essence

of class

is formal political equality

where everyone is an equal on the

marketplace

only after this does the paradox of

class arise why

because some people are selling goods

whereas other people are selling

what is abstractly defined as the source

of the goods themselves

labor paradoxically labor is treated as

just another good

even though it's the source of all goods

in the first place

this has been far more digestible and

engaging than most of the lectures i had

at uni

and yeah i'm really glad to hear like i

said everyone says i'm a schizo i'm

incomprehensible and nothing i say makes

sense

so that's really it's kind of surprising

even that you guys are saying this and

i'm really glad of it i'm really you

know grateful for it

um but i'm just explaining why the

prevailing view of class is flawed

it's because okay so you get that right

okay and the two reasons

the two reasons the reason why

that's a problem bruno is that one

polities the schedule part is the fun

part this is a chill stream on sunday

so i'm dialing it down a little bit but

during the week don't

if i have time during the week because i

have some stupid bullshit i gotta attend

to

trust me the schizo will come back not

so good can relate to uh

you're actually very lapidary i'm gonna

look that up right now

not to distract too much but i have no

idea what that means what is lapidary

relating to stone and gems and work

involved in grading cutting and

polishing

um so sharp like it's

like simple and clear-cut

um fuck no it's that's not the word i

meant

that's okay um let me just get back to

it okay

so i want you guys to think about this

in the contemporary context

in america specifically why is there a

distinction between

cities and the countryside what's called

the countryside

is it because there's something specific

about agriculture

well maybe maybe but in the united

states and many other countries

and also this is another important thing

countries where the rural countryside

is formed by nomads who are not

agricultural laborers

and that's was also true historically

the rule is not really defined

by agriculture the rule is more is

actually defined

by the place that is outside of these

materially

limited and finite institutions that

make all of us

equal formally equal or at least

formally recognized in some way

okay the reason cities contrast

so much with the countryside

is because in cities right the

institutions

geographically this is what i'm saying

the internet actually complicates this

in really interesting ways but

geographically speaking the reason

cities are so different

from countryside is because within

cities

the institutions that give recognition

to us

as formally equal are that's the center

of those institutions

so that's where those institutions are

able to immediately exert

um the power so that's why

cities are bubbles they're echo chambers

they're safe spaces

that's why institutions in america are

the same way

especially institutions materially

limited institutions

yeah the points we were trying to say

jennifer but we were speaking in the

19th century context i kind of fast

forwarded applying it to america today

is that every type of polity and the

word

polity just means a more general word

for a state

i don't like the word state because i

think it's too specific

i like the word polity a polity just

refers to

some type of political dominion that

encompasses people

basically but every polity is is finite

and therefore materially limited a

polity also has material premises

but marxists never have given

recognition in the west

to the material premise of a polity

itself and in fact

formally speaking mao zeitung was the

first marxist

that i know of at least who gave

recognition to the polity as actually

something materially definite

that's the whole point of mao's

encircling the cities from the

countryside

and that's the whole reason why mao had

three worlds theory and all those kinds

of stuff in the first place

it's why chinese marxism is generally so

much more advanced

but i'm not going to go off on it you

know because the schizo side is coming

and i'm going off on a tangent about

things

let's just keep focused on where we've

we are right now

um in regards to this whole thing about

the polity

okay um

okay so the reason there's a distinction

between

cities and the countryside

you guys know why there's a distinction

then the reason is very simple because

the countryside just refers to

the great majority of masses of people

who are by default excluded from the

state's

institutions and the state's formal

equality

not because the state is actively

excluding them

but because there's aspects about the uh

about the countryside

that cannot be reined in or domesticated

by the state or its institutions

there's aspects of these people in the

countryside

they're living being their way of life

that resists

this full um this full domestication

by the state that interpolates them as

equal

formal citizens or just instantiated

institutions in general

it's true most people likely benefit

from the institutions don't want them to

change

well i'm going to get to why marxists in

the west get everything wrong

okay i'll just go straight to it right

now

what are what asks are the aspects of

resistance well jennifer i think

in the intuition um i think i can make

this pretty clear and you'll understand

what i mean

um think about how think about the

coronavirus crisis

now i live in michigan not the docks

myself yes the hillbillies exactly

it's a it's everyone knows that the

countryside is more

wild than cities countryside people are

less obedient

to authorities than people in cities in

the countryside people are more

independent

they're more you know they're more

rebellious in general

um i think we and on an intuitive level

every i think we can all get that

right um

the people who storm the capital um

you know that's another example there so

that's what i mean by resistance and

think about the coronavirus also the

people least likely to follow the rules

about coronavirus and

most likely to not have a respect for

the authorities are people in the

countryside i mean just intuitively i

mean

factually if it's true or not just put

that on the back burner

in our intuitions we think this right

and like

and i think there's a reason why we

think that always not always lol trust

me

okay i don't know if that's directed to

me but um

okay so here's the issue with western

marxists uh

going on top of that right piggybacking

off of that the issue with western

marxists is that

the essence of class

seems to be disclosed in these cities

because it's in cities

that we are um formally equal okay

what's up evan glatz uh sorry what's up

evan how are you doing everybody

no i've been following continue you guys

know evan right

hey what's up everybody thank you for

joining us yeah yeah you guys get this

welcome get this we have 27 likes and 28

viewers

isn't that fucking crazy that means

almost everyone here liked this video

that is fucking insane that is so

impressive we've never

we've never done that before we

appreciate that so much guys

that's such a compliment you know

um so uh

kind of getting back to what i was

saying marxists in the west

have always made a fatal assumption a

fatally wrong and idealist

assumption actually an idealist

assumption

but okay what's up no more libs um

jennifer let me get to jennifer's

question but you stated seems to be in

terms of class in the cities

well yeah in the cities um let's i won't

say seems to be i'll just say

straight in cities it's clear

right that people are

somehow much more um

formally equal in cities people are more

free

in cities in the sense that in the

countryside you're weighed down by your

traditions and your family and all these

kinds of things

or maybe you're a surf actually

historically in the middle ages

you were a surf working in the

countryside if you escaped you'd move to

these cities and that'd be a fresh start

right so in a city right that's

where actually people are interpolated

to use this heavy altusarian word which

i can explain it basically just means

branded

if you will by the state as

formally equal citizens republican

equality right

who are who enter into relationships on

a contractual basis

on a fresh basis they don't enter into

relationships based on tradition

they enter into relationships on a fresh

basis and

the only way to validate whether those

relationships are voluntary or not

is through contracts and now in the west

you uh you're seeing a tendency i don't

want to go off on a tangent but you're

seeing a tendency in which everything

seems to be contractual and this is

really the decline of liberalism

i've seen people who say that

a baby needs to give consent to change

its diaper it needs to sign a contract

for its diaper to be changed because

changing the baby's diaper is not

is a violation city versus countryside

is an important conversation

no more libs you're so right about that

and we're trying to

really clarify on a theoretical level

why that is

and why western marxists have always

gotten it wrong

and we're trying to work with everyone

in the chat so guys

reminder if any of you are kind of not

being able to follow when there's

anything confusing about this

please say so because i have time for

all of you

there's not that many people here so i

do have time for every single one of you

and i want everyone to be able to walk

away with something

um anyway um on the urbanite question

anyway um so

uh marxists make the mistake that

so they observe correctly they observe

that in the cities that is actually

where

class is being revealed because in

cities

that is actually where people are

formally equal

citizens entering into relationships

based on contractual

and formally free association

okay um but marxists make a

fatal and idealistic mistake

um intellectual types tend to have

chauvinistic tendencies toward country

people

i know but leonardo for so long they've

justified it theoretically

and i'm here now to really lay

lay it down why they're wrong

theoretically and why actually there's a

complete betrayal of marxism

we know intuitively i think all of us

know intuitively

that countryside is more revolutionary

than cities we know intuitively that

peasants are more revolutionary

than intellectuals we know intellectuals

are basically counter-revolutionary

petite bourgeois and so on

but we've only been able to rely on our

intuitions we have these marxist nerds

who come to us

acting as priests telling us that on

this theoretical level

ultimately despite our institutions marx

disagrees with us

we're wrong in terms of marxism

theoretically our intuitions

so i'm here to really try to explain to

you guys even though you might already

have the intuition

why this is theoretically true as well

um and all of obviously these people on

bread tube and unfortunately even some

marxist leninists um

they're not they're also reproducing

this problem of

this kind of misinterpretation of

marxism that comes from the west

okay so

so what follows from this is basically

that

this is why initially marx and engels

committed the error and i can say it was

an

error because they themselves would

admit to this fact later in their lives

and if they didn't admit it

explicitly and say the words this was an

error they admitted it in practice

by denouncing it and disagreeing with it

later in life

which is this idea that the communist

revolution

or the proletarian revolution is going

to occur in the more

advanced polity

the logical consequence not only of it

occurring in the more advanced polity

is also that it will occur in the

cities of that polity rather than the

countryside so you see it's a double

error

it's it's a logical conclusion first you

say

the backward places are not advanced

enough

it's gonna have to happen in the

advanced countries

then you say even in those advanced

countries it's going to happen in the

enlightened cities

where everyone is um politically

formally equal

and the countryside is too backward and

this is a fatal double er

error and this error actually can't

account

and um but i don't think marx was wrong

because i think marxists have made an

assumption

uh about marx on his position they made

the assumption of stageism

they took for granted the fact that

actually marx was always a dialetician

marx always thought about this

dialectically and that's why if you look

at his analysis of the french

of the 18th premier right

and the civil war in france and other

works marx makes it very clear that the

french revolution the new french

revolution requires an

alliance between the city proletariat

the people who will carry out the paris

commune

and the majority the great majority of

the french people

to lead a people's revolution because

the error western marxists have made

drawing from anglo-saxon metaphysics

was this idea that

um this is all occur occurring

chronologically in time

okay sequentialism first it's backward

and the backward evolves into the

um more advanced but this takes this is

undialectical because for a dialectical

view

they exist simultaneously um

simultaneously uh in time there's not a

temporal

difference and the the bullshit

the russian social democrats as they

were called in the beginning

engaged in a fierce debate about this

the

economist of russian social democracy

said

that russia was too backward and that

there shouldn't be any political

revolution in russia because there needs

to be an economic

transformation first the mensheviks

were a little step below that and they

said there will be a political

revolution which will be led by the big

city liberal bourgeoisie the bolsheviks

were the only ones to

interpret marx's class analysis

as one that is simultaneous in time

meaning all of these things

actually exist at the same time it's not

referring to some

chronological wig history of backward

becoming more advanced

there's a dialectical insight that you

have to derive from this that is

now that is in time interesting that was

my concern about revolutionary change if

on an international scale

wouldn't it be better to focus on

countries with the most revolutionary

potential in the imperial core

well if we're living in a polity we are

responsible

i think for our relationship to that

polity

um i don't necessarily agree with that

um but i think it's wrong to say

that countries are too backward for

revolution

um and because the logical consequence

of this in our own country is people

like

vosh who are saying that people in the

countryside are too backward and

unenlightened

and that the people liberals in the city

who are enlightened that's the actual

source

of leftist movements and socialism in

the united states

and it's a fatal error and if you think

about this very practically in america

okay the consequences of this error are

what we see

marxists in america are very arrogant

intellectuals who look down upon the

majority of the people

in their own country they think they're

better in than the majority of people

in their own country and they have this

idea

that the people in the cities the these

institutionalized and over

socialized safe space type people that

live in cities

uh are better than people in the country

and that's why they're kind of these

sam cedar type point dexter you know

nathan robinson

vosh i don't care who you call them

these really nerdy they have really

nerdy demeanors

you have very few marxists that have the

demeanor of a good old

communist as they were understood in the

past

somebody who was you know more

rough around the edges in their

personality somebody who was you know

who wasn't so timid and so nerdy and you

know

uh this is a great explanation people on

the left really need to get what you're

saying

i know and i just i've been trying so

hard to like

say it as simply as i can you know um

makes toast i'm really glad this is

making sense for you guys i'm really

really glad this is making sense for you

guys

and it's crazy how we have 30 likes and

28 viewers so we have even more likes

than viewers right now

and that is insane yeah that is insane

agreed you can even see it in mexico

there's places that are semi-feudal here

still the city people are very

technocratic

and jorge knows all about that and he's

explained it a lot

at great length but i kind of want to

continue on this point if that's all

right and without divulging too much and

uh yeah we can always come back that's

yeah we'll come back to it but i'm sure

jorge has a lot

uh to say on this i mean a lot he's he's

educated us and

told us everything about what's going on

in mexico and how can wash be a nerd

when he doesn't even read her lies

well jennifer i for me a nerd is not

someone who reads

a nerd is someone who uses the pretense

to of intellectual truth as a source of

arrogance

and a way to look down upon humanity

it's people who think that if you're

book smart it means you're street smart

but actually people who are book smart

are some of the most stupid people

you could ever meet uh being street

smart is way more important than being

book smart

um here i was talking about the

reactionary character of nerds yeah

i mean uh

jorge looks like he disagrees okay okay

um okay i'll let jorge if you guys want

okay go ahead and um maybe give

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uh

um

okay uh

i think um

so uh basically

just to get this ball rolling again

the countryside if this if you guys can

follow

the polity the state has to also be

understood as definite in particular and

also

materially limited and the material

foundation of the state

the polity lies in the countryside

that's why we see the distinctions that

we do between the city and the

countryside

and marxists have always made the

mistake of thinking

that because the essence of class

reveals itself in the cities

that that is actually the site of the

class struggle

but they don't understand they mistaken

the site of a revelation of appearance

with the sight of being of actual

existence

okay it may be true that the proletariat

emerges in cities but all that does is

tell us something about

the being but it doesn't actually mean

it's the same thing as being itself

that's why peasants have more

revolutionary potential

ultimately well it's not that they have

more revolutionary

potential because when states are

overthrown it tends to happen from

cities

but think about mao and circling the

cities from the countryside it's not

always the case

not to suck you off but the stuff you're

saying is what i've been thinking for

years this is spot i'm glad

really glad to hear that no more lips

and we don't see it as

you sucking us off at all we we believe

you okay because we know that

intuitively a lot of people really feel

this way

but we have a lot of these fake marxists

who are coming here

and saying no your intuition is wrong

actually according to marxism

the more advanced uh city proletariat

is better than the country backward

country side and we're trying to

demonstrate how from a theoretical

marxist perspective

this is a gross distortion of marx that

has its origin in western marxism

my org has a lot of success in building

the rural parts of our state recently

no other marxist group even tries this

i would say this the class struggle the

essence of class struggle is revealed to

us

first in the advanced countries in

england and in cities

but it's a canary in the coal mine it's

only revealed there

it reveals something about being

the real stakes of this class struggle

is always going to be about

the majority of the people who are

excluded

from the institutional equality that is

the very premise

of this apparent class struggle that's

going on in the cities

and this revolution is not just about

the injustice of an inequality

the revolution the object the

objectivity of social revolution

basically lies in this simple fact

institutions are materially limited

states are materially limited not only

are they materially limited by the

countryside the countryside being the

foundation

but they inevitably enter into contra

contradiction

with their premises merely by the

confrontation itself

when the state confronts the countryside

when the polity confronts the

countryside its own material foundation

this inevitably gives rise to a conflict

because there's an aspect of the

countryside that is not able to be

domesticated by the state or the polity

and the polity responds to this fact by

basically crucifying the people the

countryside

by basically um it's almost in an

exterminationist way

and it's not only obviously this isn't

only internal to a policy it's also true

for the relationship between different

polities and nations

i mean we know this the quintessential

example of this is colonialism and

imperialism

i think all marxist leninists understand

what i mean when i say it in that way

but that almost not in terms of the

severity and brutality

but structurally speaking the same

relationship

is also going on internally with the

countryside

of these own countries and the reason is

very simple

the material foundation of the polity

lies in the countryside

but the polity does not accept

its own material foundation damn so like

what happened when i was long

i've been basically trying to give a

rundown of what class is and the

implications of it

for marxist um

we cannot actually make the error of

just saying

so it's the peasants versus the city and

that's it because

the peasants are what gives rise to the

city itself

cities come from the countryside guys

cities basically

um form when people run away from the

countryside and

you know it's it's inevitable so the

real

stakes of marxism or communism or

whatever you want to call it

doesn't lie in just siding with the

countryside against the cities

i mean that's a materialistic instinct

you should have

yes the material foundation is the

countryside but

the real significance of marxism because

that's nothing new guys

i mean populism has always been

inevitable jimmy dore

is speaking to something without ever

having to even think about marxism

so is maybe alex jones and maybe donald

trump was doing that too

they didn't have to think about marxism

and yet the subjective social

contradiction

is revealing itself no in fact the real

significance of marxism

is basically lies in

the aftermath the real significance of

marxism

is basically the um

the aftermath of this social revolution

where

institutions will inevitably be um

more amicable and more encompassing of

the people over whom

they exercise dominion a good example of

this happened actually

during the new deal fdr frank

franklin delano roosevelt he appoint who

did he appoint

um as his secretaries and his cabinet he

appointed

country folk from texas and

wherever else these simple people

into government he wanted these people

the reason he wanted these people is

because the new deal corresponded to an

objective social revolution

that expanded america's

state and institutions to encompass and

reflect

more of its people than it did before

okay

that's kind of almost something that's

inevitable but the real significance of

marxists

is to assume leadership over this

inevitable social revolution

the real significance of marxists is to

say yes we are

with the peasants against the country

but a transformation

does inevitably await the peasants and

the peasants must

prepare themselves for the inevitability

of change we don't even know what that

change will necessarily look like

it's just that what's revealed in the

cities shows us marxists

that there is a fundamental class

antagonism that's why even if we make

all of us formally equal to try to

bridge the gap between town and country

there's still going to be a class

contradiction

and that's what marxists are here for

they're here to lead the people

through this contradiction

the most popular politician that brought

up class issues in america came out of

vermont

i mean exactly and we've been seeing

this

i mean guys it's it's it's ridiculous

because

the reason we have rule-minded leftists

isn't because they arrived at it

theoretically it's just from its

it's so self-evident that they couldn't

even help just

cave in and say okay yes and it's the

same for marxism leninism

we don't have marxist leninists because

the majority of western marxist

leninists

have arrived have arrived at a

consistent and coherent

theoretical view of why marxism is

compatible with all these experiences

it's just because of the fact it's so

self-evident that why are these

revolutions happening in the third world

why are these revolutions happening in

these anti-imperialist

situations and they have to cave in and

just call a spade a spade and accept the

fact

but they haven't actually reconciled

their intuitions

with marxism at this more fundamental

theoretical level

rather they've almost conceded marxism

to these nerds so to speak

in having the pretense of listen

what about trailer parks i mean that's

another thing but

yes that's where the people are you know

i don't i'm not gonna hear the cause b

for drama you know we defend caleb we're

big fans of caleb

but i even see caleb sometimes repeating

these dogmas of western marxism

sometimes

but that doesn't reflect caleb's actual

positions politically

caleb has an anti-imperialist type of

position and so on and so

on it's just an example guys

okay even marxist leninists inevitably

get

bogged down by the dogmas

of traditional western marxism they just

make an exception

almost allowing themselves to be

inconsistent theoretically

to submit and give way to

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the basic what's basically self-evident

and unavoidable about basic experience

if marxism is telling us that

revolutions are only going to happen in

the most

advanced countries and yet the real

revolutions aren't happening in those

countries

you know marxist leninists are just the

people who are saying

okay but you know this is the fact

historically you know

we may not know how to make sense of it

theoretically but

it's just what's it's so self-evident we

can't keep denying reality

i think what maybe might distinguish us

but we don't want to knock on an open

door

is that we are reconciling marxism

leninism with

traditional real classical marxism of

marks and angles

there is nothing nothing inconsistent

about the experience of marxism leninism

with the most original discovery of marx

himself

it's completely consistent um

so how do you speak to people in the

countryside without pandering them

and that's a very very good question

neet it's an

excellent question um

you first have to embrace the fact

that there is a difference okay you do

have to embrace the fact

you can't just larp and pretend to be

you're from the countryside you have to

acknowledge the fact

that there is a contradiction there is a

difference between the polity and the

countryside

and that you're inevitably going to

embody this contradiction in a sense

yourself

even the maoists during the chinese

civil war

oftentimes would be accused of being too

you know

too advanced in a sense too

futuristic or too modern you know but

they were also paradoxically

also accused of being too backward so

that's how you know you've hit the sweet

spot

and with both the bolsheviks were the

exact same way the bosovics were on the

one hand too modern and too new

and too futuristic and on the other hand

they were too backward and too

vulgar and and so on and so on that's

the sweet spot

but the way you speak to people in the

countryside is also

don't assume distill the essence

of their situation and the essence is

going to come

at the expense of the appearance and

what i mean by that basically is that

don't pander to them

but speak uh

speak to the common object of their

striving

give form and speak

to the people of the countryside what

they know intuitively but don't know

maybe

culturally or you know intellectually

even

obviously name

something that they know and understand

in their hearts

but they don't have the words to

describe

that's what more what i mean speak a

language that they understand

but never had the words to make sense of

and this is how you can speak to people

from the countryside without pandering

yes you are coming from somewhere else

you can't just pretend to be one of them

you have to work with them you have to

gain their trust on this basis

um we marxists are inevitably going to

be intellectuals

it's there's no way around that we are

people who read a lot and you know we

concern ourselves with very abstract

things

that are far from being relevant at a

directly practical level

that is inevitable but you have to

distinguish yourself

from the metropolitan intellectuals

similar to you

and entering into a dialogue and mutual

um engagement with the majority of the

people

in your country in your polity as i like

to say

people in the countryside will not care

for bullshit be honest and forthcoming

but also let them know what you're

fighting for and how will benefit them

while building on the common house i

think the important thing is don't

disguise who you are

and that's why i'm wondering guys i

wonder if

the cpusa can be revived because why not

just admit we're the good old communists

they they're gonna call the left

communists either way

there's no way around that there's no

way around the fact

that the enemy is going to call you that

but at least the cp

usa has tradition in this country

i don't like the politics of the cp usa

and i don't like its leaders and i don't

like their positions

but i like the brand and i'm interested

in the brand it's a very national

american you know rooted in

it has a tradition it has name

recognition

so i wonder if the cpusa might have some

kind of future

you know you can't disguise where you're

coming from yes yes we're communists but

maybe you can

show the people what it means to be a

communist

lead by example don't worry about the

fact that they're gonna label you a

demon

maybe show them what a demon can do show

them

what it means to be this kind of demon

and they'll change what they think about

it

and that's why my biggest advice to you

guys

if you're living in these communities at

least or you're engaging them and

somehow

is that what you need to do okay what

you need to do is

lead um

teach by example if you want people to

know what communism is

be a community leader help the people in

your community

use the pro what little little it might

be the smallest ounce of privilege you

have

that allows you to have the free time to

care about all this abstract stuff

use that to help the people in their

basic everyday lives gain their trust

and then they can say well hell

if that's a communist i'm a communist

too who cares about the label right

evan brought up in the past that this is

what

people in the black community were

saying about the panthers you remember

what you said

yeah yeah exactly uh they were talking

about the fact

people would come up and say oh you know

they're a socialist organization they

say

they feed my kids that's socialism

and we we go to the hospital we have

health care that's so

okay and yeah yeah we're panthers we're

socialists

it's simple it's as simple as that guys

it the labels don't matter

what they mean concretely is what

matters you can call yourself a

communist

but you should show them what that

actually means don't worry about

whatever thing they have in their head

that they they think of it

because at the end of the day it comes

down to action right yeah yeah

the rest is just chit chat yeah don't

tell people okay

you don't know what communism is

communism is actually a moneyless

classless society

it's a really popular meme but it's

meaningless

don't even don't you know explain all

these you don't have to worry about

that stuff be a good person be an

effective leader

and they'll care about what communism is

when they see that they'll see how it's

wrecked they'll see how the deeper

harmony

makes sense and it'll even it'll even

open their eyes to history

they'll say i can see what this person

is doing for my community for my people

what these communists in the past were

doing the same thing for their people

it'll completely open up their horizons

you won't have to

educate people on this theoretical level

if you're an effective and good leader

the reason i wouldn't say cosmonaut

okay let me go down the chat sorry i've

been kind of neglecting

would also be fair to say that an

advanced country like the united states

inner cities and ghettos can play a

similar role to the countryside

malik that's an excellent point that's

true

but for the black people black people

are also divided

between metropolitan and countryside and

inner cities and ghettos

do serve as the kind of countryside of

the black community

but that actually is something internal

to black people

it's not the business i don't think of

white

communists to try to assume leadership

of the black

masses it's the business of black people

like i said there's contradictions in

polities there's contradictions in

nations

um that's why intersectionality is wrong

um

we cannot assume an intersectional

position we can only focus on our own

people

on our own polity okay we can't be

intersectional

you know i can't account for people

um uh

i can't account for people living in

indonesia okay i just can't i can only

focus on my own people

i can try to fight against my state

trying to bother them

and i can work with the people of

indonesia on a mutual dialogue basis

but i can't actually intersectionally

account for every

you know what i'm saying um that's why

intersectionality is wrong

peace usa is the yeah sorry go ahead i

was good quickly

i think it goes back to the question

that jennifer had asked

just to touch on briefly something to

think about we're talking about

concerning about revolutionary

change if you're an international scale

wouldn't it be better to focus on

countries where the most revolutionary

potential

than the imperial court just like what

you just said

you have to focus on your people

exactly yeah um pc usa is the modern

iteration of cpu

i know cosmonaut the only reason i bring

up cpusa is brand recognition

and i wonder because of how it's kind of

like the dsa where local chapters seem

to be really taken over

i wonder how much is knocking on an open

door maybe the cpusa if you can make

your case

rationally and logically and i think i

could do that at least

um i think the cpusa can be

given a new leadership um

i the reason the cpusa has bad politics

is because on a theoretical level a

certain

orientation dominates on its own merits

it's the popular front from the 1930s if

you can theoretically address this issue

of the popular front

and convincingly and persuasively

explain

why the cpusa's position is mist the

conclusion it's drawn from the popular

front is mistaken

maybe the cpusa uh can become

something can be led by a different

element

christopher hilally from the cpu say is

pretty based i'm not

i know the name i'm not too familiar

with him but that sounds really based

how you described him yeah everyone is

quick to call anyone left of center

communist so why not embrace it

that's what i think too we need a juche

party in the usa

i think if there's anything very

specific to korea

it's juche i heard the peace usa is

doing a lot of outreach in rural areas

the pc usa who is that the reason i'm

speaking about cposa guys is the brand

i'm not saying it because i think

they're the best party politically

but they have the best brand and maybe

institutionally

they're a very powerful platform so

that's the reason i'm talking about them

it's not necessarily because i think

they have good politics which they don't

they said to vote for biden

and they've always had these bad

politics actions speak louder than

aesthetics they definitely do even

though aesthetics are very important and

aesthetics are another way

in which you show people the meaning you

know it's it's more effective to show

people communism through aesthetics than

to definitions for example

i think the majority of communists

self-proclaimed communists in america i

know

one way or another became communists

because they listened to the soviet

anthem or they listened to

soviet music and they saw all the

aesthetics and they just

really liked it you know there's no

shame in admitting that

uh the reason is because there is a lot

of beauty in the soviet anthem there is

a lot of beauty in

communist music and its aesthetics and

it kind of manifests and reveals what

communism is

even if you don't know how or how to

describe that intellectually

in a way that's more effective i think

than definitions

there's also the black pictures speak

louder than words to use

cried tunes i agree

themselves yeah so you can't take the

aesthetic for granted

i agree with that a hundred i love that

pictures speak louder than words

i love that so much that's so true yes

yes i came up with it

yeah um cpusa could only be revived

the leadership gave up the sorry

the bs to be honest i know what

i mean who's going to affect that i

don't think they're going to do it by

themselves it has history which is rich

but the group seems to be working

against their own history

i know but the branches seem to have

more power than and

i don't see an effective um exercise of

central authority on part of the cpu usa

i think it's run by very old people who

are

out of touch with the local branches and

i think the local branches are

overwhelming the center

so that's something to think about

there's also the black belt in the south

fun fact is that stalin actually viewed

the black belt south

as the future basis for an independent

black state

and i somewhat agree with stalin's

position

i think it's far more effective at least

than this liberal kind of

blm moralizing yeah local branches seem

pretty based

it's the leadership that have the head

in the sand yeah

hey guys uh what's up falcone north

korea is real korea

over the direction the party was going

oh pcos is a split from the cpo say i

see

well it's interesting it's interesting

uh i don't have all the answers but i'm

just telling you

what i think maybe maybe i i could be

wrong i'm open to being wrong

maybe there's something about the cpu

usa just just because of the

tradition you know just because of the

the brand i don't think you can build a

revolution in america america is an

empire so they might clearly double down

on the mode of production

that's a good thing to bring up pride

tunes is that

i'm not really convinced that you just

if you're a marxist you just have this

goal of revolution and you should just

try to affect the revolution

it's not really about affecting a

revolution it's about establishing some

kind of concrete relationship

to the people first and foremost and a

revolution just might be an inevitable

consequence of that i mean it will be an

inevitable consequence

it's not something you voluntarily enact

a revolution is the result of an

objective process of some kind

and the thing communists and marxists

are tasked with is making sense of

reality for the people

because that's actually not given a lot

of people assume that's given it's not

it's really i mean trump is and all

these

strange things these strange trends in

the internet is proof that you can't

take for granted how people are making

sense of the world

so marxism taps into something

way more essential than just trying to

voluntarily affect

a revolution it's not what marxism is

about marxism is about establishing

a dialectical and concrete relationship

um between the most advanced and the

lesser advanced

you know theory thought and the people

right this is really what marxism is

about simplifying it

east germany is real germany i mean

jimmy dore is not really calling for the

overthrow of the state

but he's clearly participating in the

unfolding of an objectively

revolutionary process of some kind i

think everyone can see that

it's why a lot of tankies really like

jimmy dore

um america for the past 20 years has

been mastering the art of running the

country in permanent crisis mode

everything is a damn crisis

that is very true yeah i hate to say

that but it seems

we are observing the history of empire

yeah i mean um it's i can't sit here and

tell you that america

will just continue to exist maybe the

american polity we can't

take for granted maybe it will

inevitably collapse maybe it is

collapsing as we see it

um what i want to do though is give you

guys the right tools

and just allow you guys to begin from

somewhere better than what i see a lot

of marxists on youtube are trying to

begin you with because a lot of marcus

on youtube when they're telling you that

well class means power class means power

over the workplace

um communism is moneyless classless

society that's the meaning of communism

it's all it's a definition you know

they're be they're making you begin from

a bad place

i want you guys to begin from a better

place and be able to discover things

better on your own

open up more channels because they're

really closing a lot of doors on you

when they're be

having you begin with that america won't

be an empire forever very true

revolution happens due to pre-existing

contradictions very true bolshevik blade

it's not something you voluntarily enact

it's something that is the culmination

of an objective social revolution

marxists do not introduce this social

revolution they attempt to clarify it

there's a really big difference okay

that's why we infrared like jimmy dore

he's an example of this objective kind

of social

revolution or movement or whatever you

want to call it that it's not premised

by some voluntary

act it's just existing it's the result

of a pre-existing contradiction

i think a lot of western marxists also

don't understand between a nation and a

country

yeah very true i think revolution is

possible if a weakness in the permanent

crisis strategy is exploited

um i think

uh well i'll get to the thing about

revolution later i don't think moxes

should be so focused on revolution

we should accept it's inevitable we

shouldn't be scared of it

um but the the point is not voluntarily

enacting some dramatic

revolution okay it's more about being at

peace

with the fact that it is inevitable and

then you know at the right time when it

is time

and everything's in motion like you know

you learn from the bolshevik experience

when it's time you'll be able to tell

when it's time like lenin was

able to um

but it's not a voluntary act it's just

responding to some objective

striving um one way or another the

united states of america as it's

constituted is going down

it's just a matter of what comes next

we've

we've argued that ourselves it's just

that

so far it seems like you know it's like

i'm trying to hit

and be like is this mike on you know

it seems like with the biden you know

it's especially

what's going on in russia maybe i'm

going to do a stream later

and i'm going to break down vosh's

disgusting

uh video about the russian protests

but it's clear that there's a little bit

of juice left in the american empire and

we're we're patiently seeing what's

going on and observing and

we don't really know what to make of it

quite yet but that was our position

running up to the election the

inevitabilities in marxism are all

funded

upon pre-existing contradictions which

is why revolution is never good isn't

exactly bolstered blade and one thing

western marxists have a really tough

understand

tough time understanding is the

dialectic of freedom and necessity

which is basically the fact that just

because something is inevitable

doesn't mean it doesn't warrant your

participation your full participation

um there's uh eastern ontologies

understand the dialectic

of determinism and free will or whatever

right it's very clear it's very evident

but westerners have a really hard time

with it uh apparently

subjective or subjective conditions yeah

revolution is a process revolution isn't

always about killing people with guns

and stuff

yeah that seems more like a fantasy you

know it's a fantasy

fantasies maybe can't be bypassed but i

think my position on fantasies is that

put your fantasies to work you know

create things

create beautiful works of art work with

your fantasy put your fantasy to work

don't take your fantasy for granted

expand upon it

um water it take care of it cultivate it

like a garden

that way you won't have to actually larp

in actual reality

you know use your imagination and your

fantasy to

it can be productive it really can you

know the problem is when people try to

make their fantasy reality and that's

what you call

a nightmare

right now the reactionary forces are

very very aggressive in america

fascism i don't know if i agree with the

fascism analysis

and i'm not really scared of the

reactionary forces what concerns me more

is the biden

biden's aggression biden seems far more

aggressive far more reactionary

than the capitol hill storming people i

think that's going to be very evident to

leftists

very soon and it's going to hit them

like a brick from a mile away

revolution is a negation process to be

exact exactly bullshit blade

and marxism the point of marxism is the

negation of the negation

what comes next how do you think we

should build up the class

we shouldn't look at it that way pride

tunes we don't build up class

contradictions we discover them

objectively that's the thing you know

you don't build up anything

you just have to discover them and

clarify them as they actually exist

i didn't think navalny was any threat to

vlad we'll see you know

anarchists have jumped on the yeah i

know i don't know if we should we have

time for a navalny stream but

it's definitely something i'm thinking

about just reacting to vosh's video

and i might keep that up so maybe he can

respond to it

maybe it'll blow up i don't know i'm

sure it'll get a lot of dislikes though

um see the oh the revolution will have

stages

i mean i i don't the the thing there's

no there's no need to be fixated on

revolution so much

revolutions are so are things that

happen very quickly political ones i

mean

i mean they happen very quickly you know

uh

they're not so they're never like this

dramatic you know beautiful

a revolution is by the time a revolution

is possible

you know everything's already in place

anyway

so i don't think moxes need to be

worrying about a revolution i think they

need to be worrying about their

relationship

to the objective contradictions that

might give rise to one

and so far their relationship is more

than

unsatisfactory in countries like america

and the west

reactionaries tend to be paper tigers

overall they are nothing to be worried

about

i very much agree with that view

jennifer totally agree was thinking

biden was the reaction before oh okay i

understand what you mean then

um taking notes cosmonaut that's great

yeah that's great that's what

that that's why i'm thinking about

keeping the stream up because

maybe um uh people you know

will be just be able to watch it again

yeah while american leftists are

screaming about proposed proud boy

fascists the actual threat

i know no more libs but they don't get

that yet but they're gonna get it pretty

soon

another thing i wanna do is that i wanna

keep the chat the live chat

in our video but i don't know how to do

that i don't know how to like keep our

chat so people can see the chat

as they watch this video but we might

not be able to do that

let me see some extreme settings

unlist live replay oh no i'm gonna

on no wait unlist live replay once

stream ends

it's not enabled i don't know what's

going on sorry viewing knows

yeah uh unlist

what does that mean on list

um because it always says this street

this chat is not available after

um sorry let's continue there are

decades where nothing happens

exactly tova it's exactly that like the

fact that there was an increase in

evictions and people being

i know jennifer it's so clear what that

you know it's so clear what's going on

but marxist not only failed to respond

to this very self-evident

crisis we're in there even an objective

hamper on it unfortunately youtube saves

the chat

but okay yeah i'll i'll see i'll see

america has no left unfortunately that

is the case

as of now it has no left there's good

figures people i would consider good

figures

caleb maupin's a good figure there's

plenty of others

but unfortunately they are individuals

they're not

movements in themselves i think you can

keep the chat

oh okay as of current we need more

studies yeah that's what the stream is

for you know we want

look at what maupin's doing a think tank

is definitely that's

really good to hear that he's opening up

a think tank

you know something i'm always conflicted

about guys is that i want to have

friendly dialogue with other marxist

leninist who i

who we might disagree with some things

about but

the reason i don't want to pursue that

so much is that i don't want

i don't want to cause conflict among us

you know i don't want to i don't want it

to be as seen as conflict but just

you know friendly dialogue but

it's definitely not something i uh um

i'm interested in like forcing you know

especially if people aren't interested

in that

but i'd love to have just the friendly

non-dogmatic

very you know way more even more

friendly than the vash and hakeem stream

you know why shouldn't we as marxist

leninists

have conversations they don't have to be

debates they don't have to be hostile

interactions

we can just exchange different points of

view there's no need to be dogmatic

i mean we sent out a tweet not to plug

in our twitter shamelessly

twitter.twitter.com

showinfred we shared a tweet saying

um western marxists have no right to be

as dogmatic as they are

i mean because in a hundred years

they've done nothing so what do you have

to lose you know why not be open to

heidegger and

you know i don't know uh

uh i'm talking about caleb and i'm also

watching a stream at the same time

i'm sure a lot of people are doing that

i think that's how it works in general

we're talking about similar points law

that's great to hear that's great to

hear

and yeah i mean we're really glad about

caleb's success

and we want to all grow together you

know

it's important to note that u.s hegemony

is dying

very true yes but we should also be

mindful of this

the dialectic of how death could also be

something productive in the sense that

uh it's not just death

some some like look what's going on in

russia i mean

it's kind of clear to me that what's

happening in russia

uh is a response to the biden victory so

we're patiently looking and seeing

what's going on we've been expecting the

decline and fall of the american empire

for a long time

but that doesn't mean new events aren't

going to happen

they are happening unity they possessed

while trying to destroy the eastern bloc

as it was not connected to the global

financial system

yeah caleb seems chill to talk to yeah

he seems like a really chill guy i

actually like him a lot

i searched and apparently there is

somewhere a setting that you can have

enabled called allow

live chat replay thank you for that i'm

gonna

look at that right now allow live chat

replay it maybe it's too late because i

already hit live

um let me see edit

oh it might be here let me see details

live chat oh here it is

enable uh

you and each other while you're live

stream wait

allow live chat to replay um

oh it's already saved okay i don't know

what's going on

it says enable live chat what does that

do

this fan why your stream is in progress

is it not enabled now

let's save that

um sorry i don't i don't mean to

distract

uh deaths can fertilize the earth

okay wait let me go back um thank you

thank you i'm tired of seeing folks be

so hostile online yeah i agree but

when it comes to breadth maybe it'll be

a little different because

uh i think bret tube has actually said

things like kayla they want violence

against tankies and things like that so

that's a different story you know maybe

i'll be more mean if i debate wash

that's can fertilize the earth what is

the origin what is the context of that

no more lips

check out bohemian dialogue might be

applicable to non-dogmatic explanation

yeah yeah maybe try getting in contact

with other marxist youtubers for collabs

we're actually going to have a really

cool collab with ewoks unhinged on

friday i don't know if you guys know who

that is ewok's unhinged

on friday infrared is going to be

collabing with him on a live stream

it's going to be really based so check

it out if you can

now it's time to move away from the

political sphere and enter the social

one learn from the panthers

build trust and build up communities i

agree but

it's also important not to larp that's

an important point not to

assume that's what you meant but

sometimes people make that mistake

fertilize the rice fields you have to

look under the recording section of the

settings

um

the i don't see it recording settings

see the stream settings

oh in reference to what you said about

death and what oh okay i understand

about the death of america

okay understood capitalist equals good

fertilizer

it's dark um

uh i'm trying to find recording

i totally agree say no to larping yeah

that's good to hear you know a lot of

people just don't get that

um

yeah i don't see the recording part

manage no no i'm not gonna exit the

stream

um okay it might be too late now but

that's okay because i'm reading chat and

people who watch this might be able to

see that

um by the way i'm seeing

people following us on twitter thank you

so much for that guys

um

it's me not blind okay so guys i just

want to basically

give a conclusion i might not end the

stream quite yet

but i want to give a conclusion to the

point of the stream

um it's only been two hours uh but

basically will only been

it's relative class

is something that is relevant at the

level

of when there's already some kind of

equality let's just call it equality

but you can't assume the equality to

have already

come into being there's also a new

striving for a new type of

revolutionary um

the bourgeois revolution is not

something that happens

temporally in the future or the past

it's something that's co-temporal with

the proletarian revolution

and it's not inherently bourgeois either

the

we call it bourgeois because of the

outcome not because of the premise

sometimes angles refer to the jacobin

dictatorship as a proletarian

dictatorship

he has done that sometimes it's because

the outcome is what makes it bourgeois

not the premise

but this general goal to break

and pulverize institutions cities that

are insulated

and expand the latent forces of the

countryside unleashing the forces of

production

initiating a revolution in the forces of

production

which is actually being retarded

uh by the cities and by these

institutions

the first form of which by the way was

the aristocracy was the feudal

um relations uh as they were

explicitly coded into this kingdoms and

state

dear god guys

someday this channel is going to get so

big you want me to read the chat

well we said this before that we're

gonna remember the people who were here

first

and they're gonna get priority

definitely

do you think america will fall to

fascism i think what we said about

fascism before

is that it's anti-fascism is a big

as it currently it's currently manifest

this you know

is a big distraction and it's also uh

something that's been cocking the left

and the west this fear of fascism

when in fact fascism is already an arm

of the american octopus

look at what's going on in ukraine right

now look what's going on in eastern

europe and elsewhere in the world

um fascism is not necessarily something

that's going to happen

in america it's something that's already

there fascism never was in the core okay

it was always something funded by remote

investors

of liberal countries the issue isn't

fascism it's liberalism because fascism

is just

the hired thug of liberal democracy

democracy right when vosh says the goal

is to defend democracy

uh he doesn't understand that fascism is

actually the hired arm of what he's

calling liberal democracy

right it fascism itself poses no threat

to liberalism

and that's why oswald mosley in england

was laughed to the bank at least in the

30s

he was a clown it was not possible in

england it was neither possible in the

united states you had the businessman's

plot

but who foiled the businessman's plot in

the united states

a high general smedley butler look him

up

there was no possibility of fascism in

america or

england because american and english

elites were the ones who bankrolled

fascism in the first place

america backed countries amount of

exactly

mercenaries death squads fascists

military juntas

look at the history of the cold war none

of this is new

okay instead of fearing the boogeyman of

fascism

go to the source it's american

liberalism

tifa is just a mantle that any liberal

could put in

well if you're not a liberal you're a

fascist right

anything beyond liberalism is fascism

that's what fascism means

today it means something beyond the

threshold of liberalism

you'll notice that people will share

umberto echoes twelve point

twelve vague ass points of fascism oh

well if there's not yet

if if there's a other if there's an

authorization

and there's us versus them it's fascism

well you want to know what the first

us versus them was it was the class

struggle

i don't know if you're saying marx and

engels were fascists but they were

definitely setting up

a situation theoretically i don't know

at least

where there was an us versus them

situation laid out pretty explicitly

there's the proletariat

and the class enemy is that fascism

well if you listen to the umberto echo

people and all those type of

liberal fascism mongers they're gonna

tell you that stalinists are fascists

leftists are fascists we're fascists

china's fascist everyone's fascist

why not just ignore this distraction

okay we're all gonna be fascist in the

eyes of liberals

there's no need to get bogged down into

the

um the

distraction that is so-called

anti-fascism okay

yep exactly u.s oil helped insure

germany and had an army that could

easily destroy republic in spain in the

ussr

yeah well these weird anglo financiers

and elites you guys look up a video you

can see of the the

the english royal family was doing nazi

salutes in the 30s

so something was going on okay you can

call me a conspiracy theorist

but i have the inclination okay

it's my intuition it's my uh

it's my impression that something was

going on in the world of the elites that

was connected to german fascism

there's a lot of indications of that uh

again the business plot thing all sorts

of things like that

today things like africom and obama's

spearheading it yeah

i think corporatist fascism is dead the

us has moved towards different

um the oppression of the working class

by the bourgeoisie so the

bourgeoisie is ultimate fascist by their

own point

because the workers is an oppressed

class

um are there any countries that would be

considered corporatist today

corporatism was a catchword of various

idiot ideologies

um it's not you shouldn't pay that much

attention to it

sometimes we can't just get tangled in

the weeds of definitions 100 agree with

that jennifer 100 agree with that

very true um isn't every

capitalist country an earth corporatist

a corporate is is just some kind of um

some kind of like state institution

if i if i understand this correctly uh

some kind of big in a corporate you know

incorporates okay uh don't don't get too

caught up in these words

um george vi i think was a fascist but

he was a threat

to the plans of the british state that

was during the war i think

during the war but the fact that it was

that

you know uh entrenched in the british

monarchy should give you an impression

of

the popularity of fascism

among the british elites in general i

mean if it was directly in the royal

family imagine where it was in these

business circles

and etc so

yeah i mean that's important to pay

attention to

uh well maybe this is a good

a good way to kind of ease

on maybe ending the stream soon not

quite yet

uh is basically on this point about us

living in socialism

ah this is really what people

uh have trouble grappling with

uh every you know of all the things

we've said

the response to this point has been

overwhelmingly negative

we're not we know we don't hold it

against you guys because it is an

outrageous and crazy thing to say that

we live in socialism socialism already

want there's a political economy of

socialism

but i want to introduce you guys to that

based on what we've already discussed

i'm not going to go into it but i'm just

going to introduce

you guys to it briefly that we already

live in socialism

what do you okay let me answer this

question first hitler and mussolini are

very popular in the western community

yeah and people really cover that up now

don't they

why do you think about alliances with

rich peasants tactically to fight the

capitalists

um well uh you don't have to target rich

peasants specifically

but will it be inevitable that kulaks

might join your

cause maybe it will you know and should

you

go out of your way to exclude them i

don't see why you should

um i think it's important to be

pragmatic

uh but anyway let me get to this point

about us living in socialism because

this is something people

my main point uh about us living in

socialism

is not actually so much to say that all

of history's ended we're already living

in socialism i rather want to open up

and entertain you guys with the

possibility of a socialist political

economy

the fact that socialism itself has its

own history

has its own contradictions and moreover

has its own economy there's an economy

of socialism

now i'm not going to give you a

definition of socialism

i'm rather going to entertain you with

what you've probably already seen

very vaguely socialism refers to some

kind of

social direction of production

production directed no longer on the

anarchic

terms of pure profit but directed for

some

social reason very vaguely that's an at

least

fair intuitive connotation of socialism

isn't it

well

in this day and age i want you guys to

think about how this relates to

something we call the attention economy

isn't it true that these common sites

of social meaning and purpose

and causes measured maybe in the

attention economy

in likes clicks streams and all this

data kind of stuff the internet

aren't these creating autonomous sites

of um of uh

production chains being cohered aren't

these creating interfaces by which

the logic of production is following

forth um let me give you a really

simplistic example let's say you're

watching a movie or

a streamer let's say you're watching a

streamer right a streamer is uh

is flashing all sorts of brands

and is not only flashing all sorts of

brands but is making it more likely for

you to follow through with a certain way

of life

the streamers setting an example for you

giving you an example of

you know only eat vegan i'll do this for

that you know things that affect your

lifestyle

infrared lives are back theodoro

the butt hurt is back

anyway uh welcome theodoro you're as

butthurt as usual

uh but you're the first shit talker

we've had in a long time so

uh i can't wait to see you yeah i can't

see what to see what you have to say

but anyway um beyond spamming i mean do

you have anything else to say beyond

spamming

um infrared

lives oh shit if you meant lives then my

bad if you weren't meaning anything

hostile

uh my bad then i apologize uh anyway let

me continue

with this thing about socialism

like instagram lifestylers that's an

excellent example jennifer it's an

excellent example

but there's so many other examples you

know ultimately production

revolves around some kind of common

purpose and this purpose is being put to

work economically

as measured in things not only but in

things like the attention economy

another example i always like to bring

up is tesla

you have people devoting their whole

lives to tesla

but this also has implications for what

how productive production chains are

being cohered

and rationalized and organized it's

setting

its it's an interface by which

production is being controlled

not purely towards the end of making

profit but

towards some kind of social ends these

social ends

seem today to be more decentralized in

china it's different it's centralized

uh but even in china there's an extent

to which to decentralize specifically in

the realm of culture

uh with socialism with chinese

characteristics

um uh

there's a very much in kind of

decentralized

cult process of cultural uh production

that's very autonomous and

the two main goals of socialism are the

abolition of the anarchy and production

creating the abundance of material

entertainment production isn't counting

external social costs ultimately it's

for-profit

yeah but the thing bostwick blade is

that um

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the thing bullshit blade is that

if we still have an anarchy of

production i don't know i couldn't tell

you

if we do then it requires a global

perspective not a national one but a

global one because at a national level i

think it's plainly not true

we don't have anarchy or production at

the national level at a global one maybe

you can look at some things

interesting but it's not just anarchy of

production

there's a decentralized rationality of

production

that uh seems to be at play in this new

digital

or attention whatever you want to call

it

uh it seems like this is there is a

rationality of production

it's just decentralized and it's

measured specifically in terms of

um the digital economy of attention and

you know think clout and things like

that which is why the russian

anti-imperialist geopolitical struggle

is

so important i agree we are definitely

with this

russian disinfo whatever youtube can ban

us i don't care

like such people who engage in brand

loyalty yes jennifer and this also has

consequences for the reason

the very reason of the rationality of

production

i mean goods become produced in a way

that circles around these causes in

these brands

okay and these causes in these brands in

turn

are forms of interfaces with production

that reflect the concrete material

reality so it's a dialectical

relationship

but the most primordial form of this

relationship

was in socialism in the 20th century i

mean in socialism you had a direct

relationship between some kind of

rational aim

and the forces of production if you will

it was cohering

production around some kind of common

aim that was instantiated in the state

today that seems like it's something

that's decentralized

we didn't simply see a return to

capitalism

it seems like socialism itself was

decentralized

um that's really more what we're trying

to say there's a there seems to be an

economy of socialism

i'll give you another guys another

example

a lot of people will say like from guy

de boards society of the spectacle

that everything is just an illusion it's

all deception to

um distract us from the fact that we're

living in a

19th century capitalist society that's

exploitative and all this media and all

this stuff

internet bullshit is all just a

spectacle to distract us

but nonetheless you can observe that

this spectacle has its own

internal logic it has its own internal

economy it has its own internal history

it seems it's like it's still productive

it's still

going on so at what point is that just

dogmatism and a refusal to acknowledge

new conditions of our reality

most food is subsidized by the us

government meaning in order to keep up

the profit the government buys a large

share of it and then throws it into a

landfill

that's a good example too it's a good

example too

you've played games against each other

before but not halo there was no

competition then

me and evan specifically played split

screen arc

on the playstation that's a far superior

town

we've never like we've never gamed

remotely because

few of us have gaming pcs i think but i

love halo 3.

who brought up halo 3 i think i saw that

i fucking love

i love halo 3 it's one of my favorite

games so it's crazy

yeah i'm always talking about halo you

know almost in like an annoying

to an annoying extent you know i love

halo

i will need to go there's another things

that i need to do in these moments

okay uh see you later jorge

you like it see you later man

gamer i'm kind of a failed gamer you

know

i'm looking for a game to play but we

don't have to do 100 too much

this is a this is com commented on in

society in the spectacle itself just

because the spectacle is the dominant

mode of production

doesn't mean you can get away from it

well alexander i'm not saying you can

get away from it

i'm saying it's necessary i'm not even

saying that though i'm not saying you

should speak the language of the

spectacle

i'm saying it's a dogmatic assumption to

dismiss it as a spectacle in the first

place

rather than a radically a radical

transformation of

the social rationality around which

production

is oriented from what position of

reality and substantiality can you say

it's just the spectacle

is my question what what form of

materiality

are you presupposing when you're calling

it a spectacle

these are define my problems with the

board you know

would halo games get better under

communism let's let's drop the halo

subject

for now i'm not sure that's why people

are here it's for halo

wait i didn't pay full attention why are

we living in socialism because social

media exists

but isn't that a funny word social media

just think about that word

i mean there's not there's a reason why

socialism and social

you know social and social media share

sorry social and socialism and social

media share something called

social and comment also wouldn't

uh to do the chat thing go into youtube

studio edit live chat

allow chat to replay okay i'm gonna try

to do that really quick

not to get away from chat um

youtube studio

go to youtube studio uh

edit live chat

sorry what is it youtube studio

edit live chat there's no edit

there's no edit anymore oh it's edit on

the live streaming okay

edit live chat allow chat to replay okay

it's already enabled though it was

already enabled um

i don't know what's going on uh it's not

because we have social media per se

i mean that wasn't my justification uh

we're living in socialism just i'm not

saying

i'm saying you you should understand

we're living in socialism

just so you recognize that there's an

economy there's a socialistic economy

and not just a capitalistic one

is what i'm trying to say the socialism

is itself economic it's not just

some end goal or some far-off thing in

the future it itself has contradictions

and material economic reality i think

that's my point

how do you fail at having fun

i i just can't find it fun games it

should be seen as a phenomena specific

to the current status quo

halo stream when never dude

so all nations are just socialists in

your opinion right now or just the u.s i

think more or less across the world

socialism has already prevailed its

default

i mean guys i want you to understand

something and keep something in your

head okay

most countries in the third world more

or less i'm kind of botching it

most of them if they aren't

ex-communists

they were educated in their states are

built by people who are educated in

marxism

even japan imperial japan um

the intellectual elites were all

familiar with marxism

it's nothing new socialism nothing new

nothing surprising nothing shocking at

all

none of this was new okay most countries

today

uh take that for granted so the

all i'm trying to say is that we're

living in a new reality

that you can't interpret under the lens

of 19th century capitalism i don't

actually care what you call it you can

call it capitalism

i like to call it socialism just because

i want to

give people the idea or allow people to

understand the fact

that this is not some pre-socialist

thing okay if it's not socialist itself

you could say it's post-socialism but i

like to say it's socialism

just to but i like to i prefer to say

socialism

um because i want to speak of socialism

objectively not as some subjective goal

objectively what is socialism right like

what i mean by that is that socialism

can exist

even though the political superstructure

is not

ideologically socialistic it's what i'm

trying to say there's an objectivity

of socialism that's what i'm trying to

say the people make up the content of

social media

and all for free it's another important

thing it has nothing

yeah i mean it's it's all for free we do

it all for free why because

we can't take for granted how we make

the world meaningful

and the way in which we make the world

meaningful is being measured and

denominated and

economized in an extremely interesting

and important way that

monsters haven't made sense of

centralization of socialism

not necessarily it's always a dialectic

of both every socialism corresponds to a

decentralization

actually um

would it be fair to characterize what

you're saying is that capital continues

to centralize the economy

no it's it's not that capital is

centralizing the economy it's not

capital which is doing it capital is an

afterthought to this more fundamental

way in which common social causes or

whatever you want to call them

social aims and social rationality is

actually assimilating capital itself

it's just that there persists to be um

an economy of this socialism you guys

know what i don't know what an economy

means

um there is some kind of

division of goods there is some kind of

differentiation and distinction in

how you know how something

makes itself subsist the same thing is

true for socialism

it's not just you have one big socialism

and then oh it's socialism

what i'm trying to say is that there's

an economy of socialism itself

um uh

while an oligarchy yeah that's the

argument i made more before but i wonder

if

making this type of argument will make

it more clear

and to i know some a lot of people have

left so i just want to keep this short

if if you were here for earlier

when i refer to these polities

which need to be presupposed in order

for class distinction and capitalism

itself to arise

it's actually these polities that are

the site of socialism

that's why i said before and a lot of

people thought it was crazy

that socialism is kind of almost

the revival of the asiatic mode of

production

it's because every polity

remember also somehow um

addresses the economic sphere in this

way for

all of the people in which it has

dominion

this can be explicitly as it is in the

modern era or it could be for example of

how

empires and polities are premised by

some kind of

distribution of land distribution of

some means of production

that really define the material basis of

the polity itself

the way in which the polity itself is

reproduced

from the relationship of the islamic

empires

to nomads uh

to the middle ages and um yeah well we

all know what the middle ages

uh did a true anarchy of production ever

exist

i think so in industrial england but

it's also important to bear in mind that

every anarchy

of production also precipitates

a deeper social reality that was that

just wasn't apparent

a deeper social sorry deeper social

rationality just wasn't apparent

someone like nick land since we're we're

dipping off on views and we can get into

the deep end now

someone like nick land would say that

the anarchy of production

is hiding the fact that the ai from the

future is just assembling

itself and building itself and that this

process is so

profound and complex and radically

inhuman that from our human perspective

it just seems like meaningless anarchy

but in reality this ai

is building itself well this is a nice

fantasy

and i would rather replace this fantasy

instead of thinking about an ai

think about the common object

of social reality our social commons

what unites us as objectively social

granting schizophrenic territory now

where is that guy who's mad right that

mad guy calls us infrared the liars

because maybe we should have you on

stream theodore robredas do you want to

argue your point and debate us

because we we'd be happy to debate you

if you're really that mad about it

you've been mad about the things we're

saying go ahead and debate us man

i'll debate the guy i debate the guy

yeah we're open to debates i don't know

how much time we have left but

i can be your gladiator to fight that

guy while we can take him on i mean

there's not that much of you

so it's not like uh we can't address you

guys individually

man

uh i'm gonna he left like a pussy

he is try to pay bro stream all right

guys i think we're entering the

end part of our stream i'm gonna still

stay on i'm just gonna grab my food that

i haven't eaten it's like some salmon

and broccoli i'm gonna get more

comfortable take off my jacket you know

and uh i'm gonna chill with you guys

just ask me questions we're just gonna

chill you know for the for the remainder

i'm just gonna eat

after i eat i probably gotta shower get

ready for bed i'm nearing my bedtime

but uh i'm gonna eat with you i'm gonna

have dinner with you guys okay so i'll

be right back

he said blaise had trouble coming and

all that good stuff

yeah well if he was here

what is centralization

of it has

it it is what it sounds like right it's

exactly what it sounds like

what do you mean like uh what about

centralization

confuses you well i'll be right back

yeah i guess it's a vague question i

would agree okay no seriousness holding

some opposition

would be funny yeah it's inevitable i

think

salmon and broccoli yeah he eats good he

works out a lot you know

i get the protein nah i ate like shit

yesterday i had like burger sliders and

you should see the fucking garbage i was

eating yesterday

this is to make up for that um

let me read the chat in all seriousness

holding some opposition would be pretty

funny

you know we actually say in our videos

want to debate us email us no one does

it

no one yeah no one does it we're not

yeah we debate anybody who challenges us

honestly

um

can you guys hear me chew i don't want

to be disgusting

it's coming through yeah oh my god

is it time to get some food jennifer are

you about to join

where they are i'm concerned that aoc's

capitulation

is actively taking us in a fascist

direction alexander

like i said i don't think it's i think

it's important not to fear monger about

fascism

i just think a lot of things guys is

based on

you know who do you owe

trust me by not giving these people just

like if you weren't voting in the last

election they would crucify you

it almost seems like that's more

revolutionary than actively attacking

them

just ignoring them right

i think some people need to wake up and

realize what aoc is

but beyond this i think ultimately she

just needs to be ignored stop giving her

our attention

because celebrities are like vampires

you know

they they're if you give them your

attention

that's that's the real source of their

power just the fact that you find them

so significant if we just don't consider

her a leftist

we don't have to worry about her is the

we're already in socialism take

building on our economy being different

from post ford in our sense

it's it's ultimately related to that yes

but even the fortis economy was kind of

people are going to get triggered you

know in the post we have

um on

on sub stack uh

what i say is basically that americanism

was in a way socialism

the reason there was no reason america

was so viciously anti-communist is

because there was this competition

between americanism and communism

because they were vying for the same

thing right

americanization actually can be

reflected as

i mean earl browder said socialism sorry

is americanism in the 20th century but

the opposite is true americanism was

socialism in the 20th century

the soviet union and to a lesser extent

china looked at american

industrialization as the model for their

own

state planning just because of the

extent of their scale

and in fact ironically

the the thing with socialism with

chinese characteristics it's not that

they introduced capitalism

it's that they moved beyond americanism

they

tapped into the ancient tradition of

chinese intensive

small agriculture and it kind of

expanded that on a larger scale of the

economy

and abandoned the americanization which

corresponds to this

uniform standardization blanket abstract

universalism

so it's quite ironic and interesting

his smart stuff no yeah of course you're

joking

uh mukbang never definitely agree about

not getting caught up on in an election

narrative and aoc bullshit yeah morons

like vosh

does he do mukbang i voted for biden

just because i was sick of trump tarzan

internet

yeah i mean i got people's republic of

walmart in the mail today it's written

by a foreign affairs writer so i'm

expecting trash

i can never recommend books because i

always disagree with them somehow you

know

as arrogant as that sounds i wish people

would just ignore bread too but wash

destiny whoever that people always talk

about on the internet online left keep

critique short and sweet and move on

yeah i want yeah maybe you're right

jennifer but i think

they're leading a lot of people astray

and that's why we focus on them

but otherwise you'd be right what is

americanism new deal consensus

no i think it's what distinguishes

american from english capitalism which

is

large-scale uh socialization

um uniform standardization think of the

way american cities are planned these

kind of

grids right it's very it's almost you

know stereotypically communism

how america is uh its industrialization

proceeded in the 20th century

americanism is a word think of earl

browder's use of the word it's just the

general

what defined american exceptionalism in

the 20th century saying the empire had

to concede to the objective movement

associated to global cuba

not even no i'm saying there's something

about america that was

always related to what socialism was

historically but it was the most

primitive and abstract

type of socialism actually marx writes

about something called crude communism

which he roughly corresponds to this

abstract leveling and and both marx and

engels consider this the most primitive

stage

i'm trying to say that when marx and

engels spoke of socialism inevitability

guys

a lot of marxists are going to hide and

hush this up they were actually speaking

within a time span

of decades they weren't speaking in a

time span of

150 years later okay they were saying

in this immediate world situation we're

in okay

socialism is inevitable engels himself

said that after

the war which was which became world war

ii he predicted he understood there was

a war

the inevitability of socialism would be

like that okay

and that was in a time scale of decades

not centuries

and a lot of marxist hushed that up marx

and engels were talking about something

very proximate to their

um their historical reality

the only difference between socialism

and what we have now is ownership

even then being private ownership does

not preponderate the

the way in which the ruling class is a

ruling class

ceos don't really own their corporations

and even the way in which people

exercise ownership of these large-scale

corporations

is in a socially validated and

recognized way

shares in england industrial england

you own a factory because you own the

deed to the factory or something

but owning a share in a company follows

a very different logic

an individual share does not correspond

to a sovereign

individual person or citizen so

even even this is kind of socialistic

wealth concentrates in fewer and fewer

hands is interest being capital

intensive

right leads to centralization but also

gives rise to a new decentralization

what i've learned from infrared is that

communism is an infrared american suburb

i mean if you're getting too caught up

in words

um and missing the deeper point then

maybe yeah but

i mean what is the think about what the

point is

is that really what i'm honestly saying

mr d that every possible meaning of

communism you can have

is oh look at an american server that's

what everyone was talking about

no it's not it's a really dishonest take

and it's a very american understanding

of language in the first place

americans have this idea that language

is based in language itself

that the meaning of a word is reducible

to a string of other words

but that's actually not the meaning of

words the meaning of words relates to

some kind of objective reality

we have words because they reflect

objective realities we don't have words

just to spit out more words and spit out

more words after that

okay oh don't mean the snarky way sorry

i don't mean to be mean but

i understand it's kind of um ironic and

crazy um earl brother was cringe and

i've heard i know but we we're saying he

got it backwards you know

um the people who are organized and

arrive at objective truth will win out

in the end

people who are objectively wrong will

not it will take time eventually people

gravitate

i think so too you know i think if

people really thought about what we were

saying

they wouldn't find it so outrageous you

know people really don't like when we

say this

there's no dictatorship of the

proletariat isn't that missing

it is missing yes um

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but that's the subjective elements what

i would argue

of socialism um but and also there's

also

an objective element of the dictatorship

of the proletariat

uh that's a more complicated point

though but yes i mean

subjectively we're not living in

socialism clearly we're not

why should we make the assumption today

that the texture of global economic

relationships is epitomized

by the american economy why shouldn't we

say that the chinese economy has

surpassed the american one in this sense

i think after 2008 it's not really an

outrageous or crazy thing to say that

after 2008 i think it's pretty clear

that the objective texture of economic

global relations

is being led set forth by chinese

socialism

but our political superstructure hasn't

caught up to that

is what i'm guessing is i guess what i'm

trying to say is basically that

you know to put it in a simplistic way

inevitability based on contradictions as

i've mentioned before which is why

socialism equate the conscious

exactly yes it's based on objective

contradictions

what is your definition of socialism and

communism here's an important point

we don't like having we don't think it's

possible that you could arrive at a

definition of those words

that can apply everywhere in every

possible context it's an undialectical

understanding of language

you rather have to have a deeper sense

of what those words mean

based on the different contexts in which

they're used

and in order to cohere those different

contexts into a unified meaning

requires the object of those words

to be sensed by means deeper

than a string of words i know this

sounds crazy and really complicated and

difficult to digest but

i guess what you could say if i had to

spit out a simple way through words

of describing what socialism or

communism is

it's in the words themselves it relates

to what is objectively social and common

uh as an object

uh as an object and that's way more

complicated than it sounds

it really is um

you know what is a society you know the

meme we live in a society what if it's

way more deep than we thought

you know do we live in a society uh

bourgeois socialism which is written in

the

manifesto yeah the manifesto was not

really that anal about this stuff you

know it

understood socialism is not some

definition there's a lot of different

something objective china has surpassed

the us but the world is still under u.s

imperialism politically yes politically

though

maybe not economically i'm so tired of

the retarded synthetic left these morons

are screaming

at me for speciesism

oh wow bullshit blade do you do you

think that might be an issue of the

western left

or in your experience is that a really

prominent issue in china too

and i'm a we're 100 with you on that by

the way we don't we think there is a

difference between animals and people

we're not like a vegan fan type people

you know who

um china is even on paper a bigger

economy and probably more so

yeah so you believe we live in a form of

socialism

well a form of socialism that's a

different

we live in a objectively socialistic

world i think there's just an

unaccountable parasitic oligarchy

leaching off the top

it's taking advantage of the

contradiction between the superstructure

and the base

basically kind of to simplify it

the base is that we live in a socialist

world

the superstructure is adjusting

acclimating to this fact in a very

interesting way

it's not really that the us imperialism

is the global transnational owning class

us is just the most important yeah

is it possible for me to join your voice

chat

yeah it actually is but we're gonna end

the stream really soon so it's up to you

i mean it might be like 10 minutes and

we're gonna end it you know

um as soon as i finish this we're gonna

end it apis devist why can't china

therefore with its economies

suppress america's economy what if china

stopped producing for americans to

consume

uh at this fizzy news for first time

here

uh appreciate you being here man uh why

can't china therefore

i don't think it's in its interest to do

that

what if china stopped producing for

americans to consume

because um it seems like from a western

perspective that the people producing

for you

are subservient to you but in

today's global in economies of um

industrial policy aka another word for

socialism right

what is industrial policy if not some

kind of socialism

but to stop triggering people

on that when you produce

goods it's strengthening you because

you're taking advantage of differences

in currency value currency exchange and

currency value

it's a way more complicated point but

countries who are the ones producing and

not buying are actually the ones

benefiting economically

that's why trump wanted to make

everything american right

maybe you describe the concept as a

process towards something

that's exactly it it's always an

orientation it's always a tendency it's

never a discrete

atomized concepts that exist in a vacuum

like we said when we talk about the

difference between dialectics and

english metaphysics

we're not just saying phrases you know

there's a deeper meaning

not an issue at all in china some

liberal that's so beautiful to hear

china is the last hope of civilization

it really is

um the epitome of a civilization in

decline is an inability to draw the

distinction between humans and animals

and i just find that self evidently true

i twittered you

my discord we i i know your discord post

we played it i have your discord don't

ask cop don't reveal how but

i have your discord don't worry about

that

china is working on its domestic

consumption at present

but it's not up there yet as far as it

needs to produce export goods

wasn't like i can invite you but it's

going to take like i'm going to probably

end this in

soon you know so it's not going to be

too much longer that we're going to be

on

so i'm going to leave that up to you

china is working on its domestic

consumption at present yes but it's also

trying to produce its own goods you know

it's not up there yet yeah how much of

the u.s economy is fake

i saw that tweet too the problem

that's also a kind of undialectical view

not to keep using phrases about

dialectics

but those fictitious capital is also an

index

of tendencies and orientations it's what

french

you know french incomprehensible

philosophy or

thought in the 20th century like de las

would call virtuality the virtual

orientation

as opposed to the actual concrete you

know

that's important these fictitious

capital whatever

speculative abstract forms of financial

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exchange are signals and

indexes of polarities and orientations

and virtual

yeah i guess i put it that way think in

terms of becoming never a static being

but also always becoming

there's no solid hardcore heavy metal

economy that exists

abstracted from the context of a certain

orientation a certain becoming

and fictitious capital um

is almost a measure of that it's also

it's all about the direction

not the place the direction it's going

in not where it is now

how much of the u.s economy is oh okay

sorry we read that

we're talking about a lot what rule

white working america feels about words

like social and capitalism i'm not sure

what the black working class thinks

i don't think they care too much what do

you think evan i don't really think they

care

yeah we talked a lot about uh

socialism capitalism but i'm not sure

what the black working class thinks

uh yeah no i think they're more on the

side of this just terms

and so yeah it's just terms

there's a much greater i think

understanding i think

uh within the black working class

community of

the primacy of object which we've been

talking about

rather than how it's being tried to

define

how they are how they are trying to

define it

and that goes back to what we were

saying before it goes back to the

panthers

it goes back to the whole usa the

african experience in the us which has

always been one where there's a blatant

much more blatant heavens muted what is

said

han evan talk hello hello

oh what the fuck you know you've been

muted this entire time

because my desktop audio went down

because of um

i turned the music down so sorry about

that you're coming from the desktop

speakers

can you hear me yeah they can hear you

now oh

was it always like that fuck dude

okay no it's no problem no it's no issue

no issue

we're still learning you know but no i

think uh i think

the black working class uh is more

attuned

uh to the reality of the object

rather than how it's attempted to be

defined you know

and i think it relates to the experience

of africans

in the us when there's always been a

much more blatant

contradiction between what is said

and what's objectively taking place

and i think we can thank the panthers

the nation is a whole bunch of

organizations

for making that clear uh for african

people in the country

i'm just gonna go through the chat sorry

real quick that was cool if china

suppressed america economically could it

gain political agenda

depends on which means suppressed i

think china is already surpassing the

american economy

maybe it already has you know it's just

not

formally officially recognized

be glad to talk okay i got you don't

worry about it let me just go through

this first

bolswick and then

i still understand human beings as a

kind of animal yeah but what is an

animal right

should we define what an animal is based

on looking at animals or should we

define what an animal is from a future

perspective

i know that's a weird point

but still of a natural word but i think

it's because i'm a woman or whatever

i don't know you know i don't know i

mean

um aren't men kind of more analystic or

i don't know

we're both we're both the same you know

both animals the word limit on youtube

is insanely annoying

don't worry about it dude um humans are

animals

oh yeah he's being muted um

yeah well smart is kind of a stretch so

you're saying black camaron's okay uh

evan i don't want to make you repeat

your point

no uh so you're saying black american

seat in a way yes

in a way yes because the bullshit has

been much more obvious

for black americans it's very clear you

know

the way that the the living being of

african people

in this country is it is very clear

that what is said and what the reality

is are two different things

and i think that gets obscured a little

bit

for the white working class

for obvious reasons

oh what up blake hello hello can you

hear me

yeah okay okay great great blade um

thank you thank you uh sorry

yeah i actually want to get to this um

this echoey so i gotta be the stream

nice nice uh what will the african era

as mentioned in your last video

look like that's a beautiful question

we have an interview with a guy i don't

want to send you off listening to a

34-hour interview

we interviewed a guy named s ank one of

our previous videos and we talked about

afrofuturism and we talked about

specifically the rise of

cities um you know singapore type cities

we think it's really complicated but

the thing about the african era

basically we think the african era

this whole digital era everything we're

talking about we think

africa is the site where it's going to

explode

yes very dynamic i think the african era

corresponds with an

unforeseen dynamism i'll give you an

example of this is the way

people in africa are using social media

and the way they're relating to these

new revolutions and the forces of

production

is actually more far more dynamic and

advanced

than in other countries to an extent

maybe even in asia which is known for

being

the most futuristic place in the world

um

elephants and whales are intelligent if

they had hands they'd probably be like

us

how would that be that was true that

would suck that would suck a lot right

because they just kind of

you know they really want to like i

don't know they want to jerk off or

something

and they can't um us

humans right us humans are intelligent

animals we're a civilized animal and

we have all these constructs in place of

something this is what i've

kind of learned after talking to a guy

that studies cognitive science

isn't it so i want to cut you off but

don't you just have to read marks what

mark said

humans are distinguished from animals

because they labor creature yeah

they transform they have history they

transform their

surroundings by means of labor and

something like well what about beavers

who you know

who use wood for dams but their kids

like beaver as a species will only ever

do that

because they have built pyramids and you

know

in the past 300 years we've you know

we've done

we've expressed a range of possible

behavior that's a little bit

maybe a step above of wood dams or

whatever

right we have this social construct in

place of something

and that thing is a hive mind all

successful

civilizers like civilization creatures

like ants or hordes of fish or beasts

they all have a height of mind humans

does not have that

so to organize our society it is only

possible through a political structure

or economic structure or a construct

which is why there is no let's say moral

or greater ideal here

ultimately it's just that we lack

something we humans are disabled we

don't have the high mind thinking that

we should have as a civilized creature

so we need these constructs these

constructs is how we deal with the

material reality

as a civilization-based creature because

being honest here you see this

mass massive type of individualism but

to be humans as an individual as

shit we're very terrible individuals we

some of us can't even fight off a goose

by ourselves okay

we allow each other to survive which is

why these constructs are so important in

the first place

i just kind of want to bring that up and

may i also mention the thing on your

point about socialism real quick and

then i'll consider

screwing off

yeah yeah go oh yeah sure so uh i

believe

as we talked about uh negation before i

believe socialism is simply the conquest

of

capitalism's contradictions right and uh

the main contradiction is obvious as

marx mentioned is the abundance of

material causing overproduction which is

aka the anarchy production

and the socialist goal is to abolish the

anarchy production well not to abolish

but to

let's say in the gates contradiction

just like how capitalism negated the

feudalist contradiction of uh getting in

the way of

productive forces right so it is

socialist as long as it is working

towards getting rid of

capitalist contradictions and that as

you said socialism isn't some perfect

utopia where

they have socialist contradictions so

the reasons why we need to look into

both you know

what is after the uh negation of the

anarchy production

right right and that's really all the

point i'm

i try to make here and maybe i'll

consider

screwing off or we can talk a bit more

now you can stay off i'm gonna i'm gonna

probably end it really soon but i'm

gonna go through that

yeah okay okay why when i suggest china

to suppress

america's economy i mean in a sense

where the proliterate is supposed to

suppress the guzarzi

i don't think that will happen i don't

think it'll happen like that america is

also

has an economic importance for china

itself remember the whole world is

interconnected

so if america was destroyed that would

also

have really bad effects for china

china's economy i think

yeah after you first for the first time

really jump starts your consciousness

socialism is what separates us from

animals basically right our hive mind

our common social

that's the object of socialism

ultimately right yeah

it feels like the family white pig

offense is white more than it is black

it is it is objectively it is yeah i

will consume any animal that isn't human

any

i wouldn't not for ethical reasons but

just because it's disgusting

yeah some some of you had to say no to

some i will say no to yeah

sorry i'm 30 minutes behind on the

stream so i'm gonna

so i'm on the part about the stream

where you talk about the usa being

socialist

do you think the rise of non-profits it

could be

could be maybe not the most profit i

mean sorry not the most prominent

example

but these non-profits and charities and

ngos

sure do have scale nowadays

but i don't know if that would be the

primary one is africom a response to

china

or to africa or both it's always both

both yes yeah it was formed before

trying to begin

yeah although i'm sure the relation

between china to africa is a really

interesting one i don't know if

we could get into it here fast talking

debate bro um

what's the complaint sounds like he will

do jonathan

where did you come from you're just

gonna come here be rude i haven't ever

seen you here before

um why uh let's not

if you if you are mean to people

in the chat i'm gonna ban you okay you

can be mean to me don't

be mean to people in chat um

if it's not in china's interest for

america to crumble

then is it an ally against western

imperialism

it's in china's interest for america's

political state

to crumble um

i guess should that answer your question

that doesn't necessarily mean

it's in its interest for america to be

economically

gone and maybe it can adjust to america

being gone it's not gonna

collapse if it is but i think china

favors stability

over chaos in general

it could probably adjust to america

collapsing but china doesn't see a

reason for that to have

for that to happen i think china wants

to work with america

economically so that the polar

orientation of its engine the gears of

its economy

uh can shift you know every economy is a

in a polar polar orientation okay

it's not really uh productive to think

about it in terms of

uh annihilation i was just joking but

warning taken

okay i don't want to be like mean or you

know too

yeah i can't i just can't tell you know

i just can't tell something we

got like a hater earlier and i mean i'm

fine with this kind of stuff considering

how toxic to young leftist spaces i'm

used to

all kinds of stuff

yeah it's good to have i think it's good

to have thick skin so

but of course there are limits to it

yeah but we yeah we just don't want

our chat to be bullied you know yeah

exactly

if china would rather stability than it

doesn't seem to be an ally

i disagree apis to this i think that's

actually a very western

centric view because it's a very

individualistic and western-centric view

because

according to the individualistic view

revolutionary change is only real if it

happens within the purview of individual

experience

but the scale in terms of time at which

revolutionary change is being

objectively propelled by china's very

existence

is at a scale that is beyond you know

a week it's maybe something that's

happening in decades in scale

it's very western-centric to deny that

just because it's not within the

individual

purview and just because china would

rather

generally have stability which is any

civilization would

doesn't mean it's some kind of

uh enemy of i mean you're talking about

a decolonization

movement or a revolution but what are

you talking about

are you talking about bernie sanders for

example i don't think china would be

against bernie sanders in power

shariza got to power in greece and

according to ian's viral focus the

chinese were very acclimating

to syriza's programs when it came to

selling the greek port to china they

were very acclimating to syriza's social

justice project

and everything so they were an ally you

know

they were helping greece in a time of

need when the whole world was against

greece the eu at least was against

greece

i know you're not going to agree with

the idea of bernie or syriza

being revolutionaries but i don't

otherwise know what what concrete

tendencies or movements

you're referring to is china an ally of

these sakai people i guess in the us who

want to larp about being revolutionaries

and stuff

probably not but why would they be is my

question

what have those people proven that they

deserve to be recognized

because they're abstractly have a sense

of virtue but that's also a very western

and individualistic

silliness that i don't see why china's

government should have time for

from their perspective

channel is too small for trolls you

don't have many trolls

is that the dialectic between continuity

and rupture

no i think i'm just referring to

something else

i'm referring to the revolutions

happening with an attachment of a few

years or decades

no i'm not saying that maybe maybe but

i'm just saying an objective

revolutionary

change can be happening at a scale that

is not perceptible on an individual

level

china has accomplished the objective

victory of socialism

it's not something to ignore everyone

saw the reform on opening up and just

thought

china succumbed to capitalism in reality

a change was happening at a scale that

just wasn't perceptible

from an individualistic standpoint

that's what i'm trying to say

uh is that going to culminate into one

moment of rupture

and stuff i don't know i don't know but

it's not the main point

it would be it would be besides the

point

if that was the case what what does it

seem to be an ally of the us

america has allies but those looking at

u.s geopolitical history

those atlas could be seen as hostages

true

but lot was an ally until he wasn't i

don't understand my error

i'm not a supporter of sanders i know

you're not

but sanders is the only concrete

manifestation in the u.s

of a real anti-establishment force four

years ago five years ago

i'm just trying to tell you even if i

can see to you the fact

that there is an objective progressive

momentum that is against the status quo

in the us

even then there's no reason to think

china would be an enemy

by decolonization i mean an ally to the

colonized indigenous people which

colonize indigenous people

struggling how are they struggling which

ones who yeah that's kind of my question

too like

you have to better uh let's say identify

what

uh let's say decolonization is a

pistolist it seems like

you're talking about something extremely

ideological okay

you're not really talking about any

significant historical concrete

revolution that's happening

you're talking about something that

white people in the u.s

have adopted to make themselves feel

better about themselves

and the primordial origins of america

which they're still very guilty about

there are a lot of like idealistic

elements that goes into this kind of

psychiatrist thinking in my opinion it's

fundamentally

idealistic indeed indeed yeah uh

i mean it's idealistic because the

striving in need white people feel to

to make right the original sin

is the epitome of whiteness

is why if you really care about the

subject you should read the image of the

white race instead that's a very good

book that

very well educate you on the subject not

settlers which have a lot of

very reactionary elements peak settler

colonialism

is trying to purify your origins that's

what the puritans came to america to do

to purify their imperfect and sinful

origins in europe

so indeed indeed by respecting the

policies of foreign nations and not

avoiding interfering with inner

conflicts

china avoids escalating the situation by

beginning a proxy war with the us

trust me guys you can trust the fact

that

people in china know what they're doing

in power

okay they have way smart billion party

members they have massive think tanks

across the entirety of china so i don't

know how

people in the west believed in china

better than all those people

working constantly tonight together

researching the entire nation

going house to house asking for public

opinions going through factory to

factory asking about work conditions

yet you know some guy in the west

watching a video about watching and i

know everything about china now it's

peak individualistic western folly

indeed just because you've mastered some

individually

mediated abstract truth gives you access

to

all this stuff you're talking about it's

ridiculous

you know it's like

just because you call yourself a true

marxist

means the entire country of china has to

address youth

china's idea is that they will lead by

example

and what better leadership is that

i mean that's what we want to learn from

china we see that they're leading by

example

even the south african eff looks to

china as an example

um in the way the soviets were doing the

same thing but china is more explicit

about it

china has def it's not for accident that

china is still around when the soviet

union isn't let's just say that

what's the name of the book i don't know

uh that's probably talking to him trust

the plan g

is jesus a good leader seems like it to

me

i think he's a good leader i think i

rescue his series

he makes a lot of very solid points in

my opinion i think he's an exemplary

leader but even if i didn't

he objectively is providing a platform

for a revival of marxism in china

and there's a lot of ambiguity of what

that means

i believe it's not only a revival

marxism it's also revival of let's say

a more dynamical philosophical thinking

as a whole as a movement which is why i

believe

as a whole saying which machine is so

powerful because it allows for more

let's say researchers and development to

philosophies and

the previous leaders before now they've

also done great things but now we're

seeing

the true flourish of chinese philosophy

which is amazing

that's a really good and fascinating

point

i always knew that china has a very rich

and extraordinary philosophical

environment

and my biggest regret is not knowing

chinese because i'd love to be able to

engage in that yeah it's so strange so

many people i've talked to on discord

always know what hall opinions on china

it's clownish

talking about a country that has the

most people on earth

over a billion people i recommend the

reading of xi jinping by anti conquista

i haven't read it so maybe we'll check

it out

what indigenous struggles standing rock

is not on your radar standing rock is a

beautiful example episode

because all i saw on standing rock was

yes you did have

uh you did have some protest by what

you're calling indigenous group i think

some

people find that word condescending

but there were some resistance by

specific communities and yes i

recognize those communities exist but

what happened it turned into

lollapalooza for white people they came

and

so you're going to tell me there's

that's not a coincidence why are white

people so obsessed with them is my

question

for it has nothing to do with them

specifically they're a very small

minority of the american population yes

i agree

progressive movement needs to engage

them and ally with them and stuff

but fetishizing them in the way that

they are now

as you're doing is a 100 percent white

pathology so don't give me all these

examples

especially an example like standing rock

which just proves my point

who is xi jinping in the first place

it's interesting because i don't know

the china

before him it's a complicated history we

don't have time to get into it

i myself have may i mention something

real quick talking about the digital

struggle

yeah so i myself have interviewed uh

certain canadian indigenous people and

i've asked what do they feel like their

struggle is and i do find that

ultimately it varies from community to

community it's not that every single

digital community is facing the same

struggle

as sakai would you have to be happy to

believe in an oversimplification calling

people settlers it's not that

okay like there is even struggles within

the community where the

let's say the monarch of the community

would disagree with the people's

elections and you have all these

problems going on from the community

community that is very specific to them

it's not that oh no it's a settler's

fault it's a single

singular truth it's never that

yeah it's as simple as that the

construction of a general indigenous

struggle is a white construction which

ignores and neglects the fact that

different communities that are you're

calling indigenous

have different goals and aims some of

which want to extract

oil from their own lands by the way

indeed indeed

um a lot of them are desperate for jobs

because they're just living terrible

lives and they need

jobs they need an income so that they're

not eating and drinking

all poor quality stuff anymore they want

water as well pipeline

it's a video on the channel where they

read xi jinping book i think you'd like

it

i implore those people to write

president xi and tell him they don't

want to think his country's socialist

see what he says i promise you the

letter will go it won't even

it won't even reach the trash can of

someone who's 400 positions below

china's progress comes from the success

of the people in the communist party not

just

from g i agree i think zeo would agree

with that

indeed what's the story jennifer we

don't have time

i have a bedtime and let me say guys at

8 11 30 i'm gonna end the stream

okay so uh the contradiction is that

china desires a stable but u.s

stable us but the international

proletariat who who are you talking

about

and by the way china prefers a stable us

but there's no reason to think china

isn't ready or able to respond to the

chaos of

you know who wouldn't first covet was a

blatant

example of this i would prefer a stable

us

i'm a normal person you think i want

everyone to suffer and

you know i would prefer stable us but

i'm also recogni i also recognize the

fact

that there's objective contradictions

i'm not going to whine about that fact

so the u.s is terrible by all means but

if it's just often destabilized and

crashed like the ussr it'll be a lot

worse at pistovis the us is the one

causing destabilization

the usc is the one that is funding the

color revolutions all around the world

the us is the one that just caused chaos

in the middle east

the us is actually the force i mean what

you're saying is peak american pathology

your conception of what revolution is

is clouded by american prejudices it's

not a coincidence that the us is

actually the true

revolutionary force because when you're

defining revolution by all the negative

stuff which is apocalypse

and carnage those are actually the

things

um those are actually the aspects of

revolution that are unfortunate

no one actually wants those for its own

sake they're unfortunate maybe

inevitable yes

but unfortunate side effects acab and

our kitties scream about putting

billionaires into a wood chipper

but when she executes nearly 20

billionaires in a decade

suddenly china is red fascist i mean

yeah

exactly why how else do you need to say

it okey-dokey maybe next time yeah maybe

next time

maybe next time yeah 11 30 i'm gonna end

the stream

and i'm gonna shower and i'm gonna go to

bed just so you guys know because you

guys

i answer to you guys now

oh man yes i know the us

responsible for everything that's why it

should collapse

well um should you know

should is not really an appropriate term

will it is the appropriate term

you're in no position if you can't if

you're not objectively in the position

to make it collapse

which you're not and no country really

is

you can't judge whether what should or

shouldn't happen

china isn't in a position to make

america collapse it isn't

i think it's very probable that the west

will collapse upon itself on china

russia

i've always said that the west is a

peninsula

of asia the west is a long lost

peninsula of asia

the west may not collapse but eventually

it'll just become

a part of asia why didn't ji take all of

jack ma's money

when you swear honey and you put your

parent you make a dollar in a jar

do you guys watch black red guard no

people keep mentioning him i haven't had

time to watch much anything

i started live streaming a few weeks ago

what do you think about him sounds based

but

i've never i he is apparently miles

that's not

into the current chinese status quo but

he do make very good points

so it's like i'm kind of conflicted on

the guy because as you can see i'm

probably in chinese that's cool so yeah

we're we're not

that um we don't we're not we don't

really agree with mlm

if that answer is your question we are

definitely

the the type who want to learn from

chinese socials with chinese

characteristics and uh specifically the

g era

thoughts on the difference between china

and the dprk's post-soviet union journey

and development

china has clearly been more successful

um

why that is i couldn't really tell you

always

say something here yeah sure so the dpr

doesn't really have a choice here china

had choices too let's say

uh reform and open up inventory

introduce lesser capital and all that

you know maori the foundation for that

with nixon all that stuff

dprk does not have any of that they were

very sovereign reliant and when

everything just eventually crashed down

due to the ussr

collapsing they don't have a choice to

trade with the west they had

which is why they just kind of isolated

themselves a lot of socialism was

so costly they self-reliance which is

bullshit okay

um it's unfortunate it's that's what it

is

it's a complicated there's no simplistic

answer to the situation um tova thank

you so much for being here i appreciate

it a lot

uh see you later man uh it's it's

it is the sacrifice that we have to

grapple with in the distant future

once the 21st century social video gets

up there in views would you guys

consider doing a series on geopolitics

yeah we're very

kind of hesitant right now to plan

future videos

just because we don't know necessarily

what the lessons of

why this one didn't do as good as we

thought it would we were expecting maybe

you know 5k views

maybe we over projected we want to

evaluate the reasons why we didn't do

better than the previous one at least

you want to sit down and just no because

that video took a lot of effort on our

part you know

and we don't want to you know do that

again and

not get his the only people's word he

intends on waging is his neighbors swing

set

um if if the dprk and china weren't

blockaded they would be able to adopt

yeah i mean china's rise objectively

allows these countries you're talking

about to have a better position

internationally um the more as time

advances

i recommend the modern rebels hakeem we

know about hakeem and

those people and we like them

i'm very grateful for this channel and

hope more streams there's going to be

more streams and we

appreciate the fact that you say that

definitely going to be more streams i

haven't seen anything about that from

him myself

oh it's not me no point in reform and

opening up if you can't trade

yeah very true

um oh uh let's give y'all

money not yet

okay we i think if we had uh

uh hundreds of more viewers we would

consider that

we don't want to take your money yet i

think i would consider taking money

from you guys not you guys but in

general

only when i'm confident that um

it would allow me to do this full-time

because i can't do this full-time right

now

i am in law school right now and

sucks but if i could make a living off

of this i would easily drop out

i enjoy uh honestly your video is great

i think the algo was screwed over ml

content

i don't have proof we don't it is very

strange how we just didn't

we didn't get a lot of views on it you

know we didn't think everyone would

agree with it but we at least

expected people to maybe be interested

in

interested enough to click on it

after the stream would be cool for us in

chat to go and like all the other

infrared

you guys don't have to do that i mean

i'm sure you guys already have liked

them but

um you all got to spam your channel on

reddit

we kind of did that already um i think

we've

done it on this channel so yeah

we also don't want to run into the error

of sharing it in a community that

while getting more exposure will get us

predominantly negative feedback

oh yeah we got to be careful with this a

lot of communities

especially i find it's extremely

reactionary yeah

like doesn't law school have you reading

depositions of law and all the time how

do you have time

uh that's what i'm gonna say you know

no comments i don't know who's watching

this

just tanky subs yeah we're focusing on

tankies right now

we're tankies you know that's our people

is it in china's interest for us

military industry to take it apart with

like lego bricks

it's just that fantasy is very just

one-sided western kind of

westernized kind of fantasy of

annihilation

it's more complicated than that um

reddit is terrible i agree i hate reddit

personally

tankygang yeah we're tankies what's up

matteo

it's the first time i've seen it a lot

of communists are grumpy i don't get it

i don't want to be grumpy i just want to

be nice to fools

people are very snarky at us you know

they're very passive aggressive and shit

and a lot of people tend to get angry

when they realize like the world is just

kind of

screwed over right now so yeah um

i enjoyed let me grab two i don't know

what that is time for bad young man yeah

i do gotta go to bed

do you think unions will have a comeback

in the usa

we'll save that for another time guys

but for now i'm gonna end the stream

thank you guys so much for being here we

appreciate it

thank you we're gonna have more streams

probably sometime this week maybe

not as much as last week definitely the

weekend

i plan on streaming again um

and we're going to have that collab with

ewoks on friday

so thanks so much for having me here

thank you no problem no problem yeah

thank you for coming home blake

um see you guys later all right later

everybody