DEBATING Orthodox Convert: Is Marxism Satanic?

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so yeah so yeah we have I have content

lined up for you all right so I'm gonna

get into this debate with the Orthodox

canonist

and let me just get some stuff ready

all right

foreign

but if we're not gonna do some kind of

like higher criticism or like

intellectual actually kind of thing like

like that part one of the big things on

our show is that we actually think

things mean kind of what they obviously

mean especially in the context of the

scriptures in the church and a lot of

this modern

a lot of these perspectives that people

claim or you know are legit and ancient

ways of interpreting things are actually

just oh the man himself is here Mom

shall let you speak but it looks like

Haas is

um attractive especially in our current

uh world that we live in right because

you look around at the sort of sensible

political Alternatives that you have and

it seems like from for most of the world

or at least for those of us living here

in the west we do not have really

Alternatives outside of liberalism in

any way and you can look to um communism

you can look to Marxism and you can look

at um how Marxist leninist

um and those associated with them or

we're seeing how we're seeing capitalism

and in a way I mean we can talk about

how exactly

um people these thinkers viewed

capitalism but one way they viewed it

was it was like this thing that

fundamentally

um like for instance like economic laws

like one thing's uh you know Engel talks

about Ingles talks about

um is that you know capitalists like to

tell us anything Marx does too like

capitalistic to tell us that there's

certain laws of capitalism but really

it's all random but what the sort of

marxist the theory more or less says is

that but in actuality it's all man at

the root of all these things things and

therefore we can if we kind of adapt the

right Consciousness or you know not

saying it exactly but more or less if we

do that then we're able to change the

trajectory that we're going on and we're

able to you know sort of justify The Arc

of history and the sort of bloody Arc of

history and we're able to make all this

bloody struggle

um you know all these revolutions all

these protests all these all this death

we're able to make it worth it so in

that sense I sort of do understand but I

think that outroot though

um

you know uh Conrad and Orthodox

candidates you guys were talking a

little bit about the sort of historical

context of uh you guys were talking a

little bit about the historical context

of what exactly uh happened with the

Soviet Union some of the martyrs and

even other places on the Eastern Bloc

countries

um you know that is that is one thing

that I think that has a valid point

however I think there's also just the

other point about you know what the

views of religion

um from Marx London and Ingles

themselves were and I don't think it's

by no means is it um really um

compatible with Christianity and I think

even this idea of thinking that oh well

Christianity is actually good well like

uh for instance our buddy here was Saint

our friend here was saying that oh well

friends people like Hegel who marks was

influenced by so that Christianity was

good because it's like this best human

project that we're able to sort of meet

God with but Christianity is not made by

you know human hands it's from God it's

not

um something about it's not based on in

humanity that's like or in the way that

we understand Humanity brother God is it

gives us and the church gives us it

right it's not human creation by any

means

so a lot of these um sort of humanists

will say oh yeah Christianity is

beautiful look at the Aesthetics oh wow

it gives people this sense of like the

supreme or whatever but they all couch

in more or less sort of metaphor because

I showed up late

um I like I can't really expect to like

debate first because they're in the

middle of something I guess

so I guess that's not me I showed up

late but you kind of want to get into

the debate with Orthodox do we humans

made this is not just one of our

beautiful Creations no this is actually

like from God himself

so we would totally reject that

humanistic conception of religion which

um it seems like um our buddy was

espousing here

yeah I tend to agree with that um

actually that analysis where you know

religion is viewed as sort of this

project which needs to kind of align

itself with the material world in fact

Orthodox Christianity goes beyond that

in something obviously above material

and it's metaphysical at the end of the

day you know so has we have much to say

so

uh yeah I kind of wanted to talk about

it seems like you know

you wanted to debate prism or something

and he can't do it so I'm kind of

filling in for prism

when it comes to the legacy of Soviet

communism and specifically Russian

Orthodoxy

and what I'm interested in discussing is

this question of whether or not

the Orthodox church and it's are the

rulings of the Orthodox Church are in

fact infallible

or whether they're constricted by time

and space since they're on Earth so for

example a given um patriarch or a given

you know

Church leader I don't really think it's

in the Orthodox tradition

and I can be corrected if I'm wrong that

what they say is necessarily like

infallible I think they're able to make

mistakes and they're able to change

their mind right according to

circumstance because they are bound by

time and space

yeah I guess look I'll throw you a bone

here and I'm not sure if you're analysts

in your Discord or some of your

community members who actually read

Russian because I take it as you don't

do you speak Russian or

no I don't

okay so if anyone does read Russian I

encourage them at least in your

community to actually read the two

anatomas right and actually look in

depth at the text because that in the

text uh no ideology is in fact condemned

what is condemned is the confiscation of

church property which the Communists

under Lenin Trotsky and the entire you

know essentially the entire government

no one really opposed these decisions

right the early vulture of government I

have to cut you off too early but a few

things that anathema's

are not final they're not it's not the

same as damnation Only God Can engage in

damnation

so someone who is subjective it doesn't

it's not like a certain

it doesn't with certainty condemn a

given person subjected to the anathema

to hell to the extent of my knowledge

now the second thing

is that regarding the confiscation of

church properties I think here I don't

really think it would be justifiable to

blame Lenin necessarily for that you had

a huge kind of anti-religious sentiment

that was fanatically adopted by these

Rank and file

you know young communist cadres

who are and then also a level of

corruption and infiltration uh Below in

the lower commands right

through the chain of um sorry the like

the hierarchical chain of control for

the Bolsheviks and oftentimes trying to

find it here exactly oftentimes you'd

have people like Stalin like for example

in 1923

trying to find the exact quote

um

fuck hold on give me a sec

it's yeah right here we'll intervene and

basically talk about how you know these

people are taking things too far they're

engaging in Blasphemous kind of

desecration of Idols they're burning

things they're and then most importantly

they are using excuses

um

according to the like bureaucratic

registration of properties in order to

close down churches

so let me give you an example of this

because

yeah so for the crime of not registering

right

uh Baptist societies were closed

Orthodox Churches were closed and this

was purely because they wouldn't

register with the local government and

that gave they gave him the excuse to

that right and stop Stalin was pretty

Frank insane in 1923 in an internal

letter to the other members of the

Communist Central Committee that this

was illegal it was a violation of party

directives and it was causing ferment

and discontent and then he was also

mentioning how

the Central Committee is was this he was

involved in the decision that you know

they're going to prohibit the closure of

churches they're going to prohibit the

liquidation of prayer rooms and

buildings prohibit the liquidation of

um

prayer rooms for like non-payment of

taxes prohibit arrests of religious

nature renting premises to religious

societies

uh make them strictly comply with the

decision of the Arce and like don't give

them an under burden

I can respond to these all this but do

you have another Point besides the no no

I I do I do so I understand that in

terms of implementation the people on

the ground were not necessarily

following the spirit of the Communist

Party leadership and specifically the

leadership of Stalin or even Lenin for

that matter

but when it comes to the intentions of

the Communist leaders it was not to

actually and also when it came to the

confiscation of church property I

believe some of this was done

under the pretext of relief um

of uh starvation relief and feeding the

hungry

some of this was also

um

done because of something about military

units

let me find the exact quote but

initially

what from what I read what happened was

that military units were given should

they so choose

that were Church military units if they

wanted to

um convert the units or the property

into non-church property they were given

the ability and this was initially

extremely minuscule

you can you can go ahead I'm gonna find

the thing about the military units yeah

I just want to mention I'm gonna hold on

hold on I'll let I'll let you talk for

the majority of this but I just wanted

to say first of all that like

from a get-go I don't think that you

like from a religious perspective in

general the regime was already

compromised based on its foundation as

ritual murders of children and of the of

the rightfully anointed Czar and any

Orthodox church or institution would be

right to not register with such a

government due to their belief in the in

the martyred Sovereign so that alone I

think from a religious perspective

doesn't exempt this this property

nonsense from just oh it was just a bad

implementation of this property

let me let me but I'm going to say one

other thing and then

I'm gonna let Dimitri talk we've all

seen the video of Christ the Savior

Cathedral literally just being destroyed

like there's just like that was had to

be rebuilt in the freaking

20 like after the fall of the USSR so

that's just like that it doesn't like

again maybe I'm not saying that

discounts all of your points but people

just need to realize some of this stuff

and Dimitri I'll let you actually

address some of the other things

yeah first the

um confiscation of church property so

the Russian Orthodox Church in

particular gave a shit ton of

confessions I mean concessions apologies

not confessions it would have been good

for confessions but concessions were

provided to the bolshevi government in

abundance right and you're probably

aware patriarch tikon did not even

support the white army during the Civil

War because you're right there was

famine and there was you know people

dying in the countryside due to you know

just basically the entire Imperial

infrastructure breaking down because of

the Civil War and you know the post

essentially post World War One Marauders

just going around deserting you know

looting things like that so it was

famine now the I think patriarch take on

in particular he actually did allow for

church decorations to be actually

donated to the Bolshevik government or

you know it was the government at the

time it wasn't necessarily I keep

donated it to Communism or out of any

ideological consideration but just to

assist the people one thing that he

didn't give which is why we have say in

the martyrdoms of Metropolitan Benjamin

of petrograd which is Saint Petersburg

was he said you cannot donate and we

will not allow Bolsheviks or anybody for

that matter to to touch the holy vessels

now I'm not sure if you guys know what

the holy vessels are in the Orthodox

Church those are the chalices and the

instruments usually gold-plated or solid

gold and silver which are used in the

administration of the Eucharist the most

important Sacrament in the church now

the Bolsheviks really didn't I mean they

probably knew what the you know

sacraments were they all grew up in the

Orthodox Society in order to even

graduate from high school you needed to

know the basics of the Orthodox faith in

Russia so they knew what these

instruments were and they still went for

them and this result resulted in

probably several hundreds of martyrdoms

including Metropolitan Benjamin and his

entire Parish

okay so um I first want to address the

question of the killing of the czar's

family an investigation was conducted by

the Russian government unless you wanted

to you were had more to say or no no no

I can talk about the well an

investigation was conducted by the

Russian government within the past 20

years I believe

um and they found that Lenin and his

government

were not guilty of the murder of the

czar's family as far as the

circumstances of like who actually gave

the order

it's not really certain

under what circumstances was the tsar's

family murdered like who was behind this

what was the reason for it but the

Russian government observed well I don't

know if they absolved Landing of

definitive guilt but they could not find

any evidence that Lenin was involved in

the murder of the uh the czars family

it was the intention of the Soviet

government quite openly to try the czar

uh for not his kids obviously but to try

the czar

for his perceived or alleged crimes

against the people now regarding this

thing about the murdered sovereign

that's kind of go kind of goes back to

what I was saying about whether or not

the church is bounded by

I don't want to theologically get in

trouble here I don't necessarily know

the church but whether or not the

functions of the church are bound by

time and space

rather than being in fowl because I

don't think it's the Orthodox view that

you know the the church and its worldly

sense is infallible

I think that um

the church has always been bound by

political circumstance Peter the Great

for example famously prohibited the

elections of the patriarch this is

something that only happened

uh in the 20th century the first time it

happened was after the February

Revolution because the czars have

actually prohibited this and the Loyalty

of the Orthodox Church

to the political time and place

circumstances it's well recorded

throughout history you had murdered

sovereigns for example in the time of

troubles who can forget

the you know

the era of yeah Boris got involved and

the uh sorry basil and even Dmitry II

right like yeah all these characters

yeah we get it it was tumultuous right

it's an that's what I mean the Russian

zardom the Russian sovereignty has

always been tumultuous and I think there

is just the kind of I think the real

some one of the reasons why a lot of

Communists within Russia who are devout

Orthodox Believers don't condemn

don't necessarily like see the

Bolsheviks as satanic because of the

death of the czar's family is I think

it's horrible when children are murdered

by the way I don't I I don't think any

even even the person who was accused of

this who people suspected carried out

this act he kind of lived from what I

know a life of shame in Moscow he wasn't

really he was kind of looked down on and

he was you know

even among fellow Bolsheviks right

so I don't I just I definitely don't

agree with you know anyone's kids any

children being murdered any women being

murdered who were innocent but

you know I think many Russian Communists

have just come to see this like this is

part of the tumultuous history of

Russian sovereignty

similar to the time of troubles right

the Bolsheviks came to especially under

Stalin

um

uh acquire What's called the Russian

viast right the kind of Russian form of

sovereignty that's just kind of like

almost mystical and inherent in the

people

but I mean I'm not here to necessarily

deny

that there was an anti-religious

sentiment among the because of the

Revolution there was I mean I'm not

denying that that's like a fact right

and there was this huge iconoclasm

especially among the youth who kind of

went a 180 usually young people are

inspired by religion they become the

most fanatical Believers but after the

revolution it's like the opposite

happened they became the most devout

atheist and became militant atheist they

were engaging in

desecratory acts and all these kind of

spectacles Stalin openly condemned this

other communist leaders condemned it but

no it did happen the league of militant

atheists

produced a lot of blasphemy

right but the way I see it is I'm not

really trying to portray a one-sided

picture of like every aspect of the

early days of the Communist ideology was

infallible and perfect I kind of want a

more present A Story of Us uniquely

Russian kind of estrangement with

tradition and religion that accompanied

modernity and a Reconciliation and a

development of a learning right I think

there was a maturity of the Communist

ideology which began to realize that and

this is something that was echoed by

um

Orthodox leaders under Soviet rule that

you know a lot of Communism took for

granted this biblical unconscious

Russian Orthodox values of despite all

of this Blasphemous stuff and all this

kind of you know yes we're atheists it

still took for granted these this

fundamental Bedrock of unconscious moral

values that nobody even would dare to

question even the Communists like

iconography and art and literature it

was it's all very much rooted in that

Russian Orthodox spiritual tradition

even if it's superficially estranged

and I think that is something people

have today

become consciously aware of and that's

why we're seeing especially in Russia a

growth of Orthodox communist

or religiously Orthodox Communists and I

don't really see how this is a

contradiction

I mean I'll answer your first thing

about

um epistemology in the church and

infallibility and those kinds of things

I think you're thinking about this in

already a one-post Schism and just a

very Western Way like historically

before the pope and began to assert his

infallibility and his what eventually

became you know fully dogmatized at

Vatican one for the western church and

Papal infallibility and whatnot before

that it's the church is synodal we view

The ecumenical councils as the voice of

the Holy Spirit as I said in the book of

Acts it's to seemed good to us in the

holy spirit that was the first that

Council in Jerusalem in the book of Acts

we what we see in the in this synodality

and a little bit Demetrius I did many

proclamations of the Synod of the

Russian Orthodox Church there were many

examples of synods that were then later

affirmed by an ecumenical council as as

correct and as as teaching Dogma as

effectively being you know infallible

and for that's not and the thing is you

think about that there was you know

there are attracts decades even longer

of time when those things weren't

considered infallible I said ecumenical

council but we now that's not that they

were deemed correct they were always

correct the economical Council then

expounded them as correct in the face of

heresy and in the face of the current

issues of the time and in the time of

Communism that was the church has

expounded its opinion on those things

and we also in that context we believe

in the consensus pocham and the

consensus of the fathers that's one of

our guiding epistemologies in the time

where it's been a while since we've had

an economical Council especially since

there has been no Emperor since the

murder of the tsar martyrdom of the tsar

and the consensus Patron by our

standards now is entirely anti-communist

is entirely in favor of the the church

has its history and the martyrdom as in

hagiographies are how we look back on on

the history of of these things and I

don't think that any kind of nitpicking

about the specific laws and whatnot any

way necessarily make up for the fact

that it happened and the fact that

ultimately they did supplant and put a

new religion on the people and made

London out to be a czar and had him

exposed in his body like my dad saw his

body when he was going going when he

went to Russia near the end of the times

of the Soviet Union like this was there

was an entire this was a this was a new

as the 20th century had many it was one

of the many religions that was forceded

upon an unsuspecting people as modernity

realized itself in its failures and I

think yeah Dimitri has a lot more to say

about the history of some things that

you had mentioned but I think that's

important and after he does I want to

talk a little bit about also some of the

history and about how I'm sorry the

entire communist project in in Russia

was was was put on by by Western

capitalist Bankers zionists so I think

that from historical perspective I'm

sure you have answers to that but I'll

let Dimitri address some other things

the answer just on the on the issue of

monarchy and the Orthodox understanding

of autocracy and and Emperors are a sort

of this figure of secular power in the

church that role is Undisputed since the

time of Constantine the Great and many

would say even the Pagan Roman emperors

held a certain esteemed role even when

they committed persecution as to this

keeper of order in the

um iqumini you know the the cosmos the

Mediterranean Sea so this is what

Apostle Paul talks about Saint John

chrysostomo mentions it so the Orthodox

Church is United what I'm trying to say

is it's United entirely behind the idea

that the Tsar is important the emperor

is important and the emperor is not

bound by any sort of weird parliamentary

regulations things of this nature this

is the

um dominant tradition for the last

hundreds if not close to you know maybe

close to a thousand Saints and they all

affirm the fact that the tsar and the

emperor is important in the church and

this goes back to the Old Testament too

so it's not just the New Testament thing

it's that the Tsar is as important as a

bishop in the church this similar role

similar sort of sacramentology blessing

and the fact that Saint Sonic was the

second was apparently Tried by some

court and sentenced that even if that

was say that did occur so he was

executed by hanging or a firing squad

because the criminal justice system of

the bolsheva government deemed him

guilty like that would still be

inappropriate

so we're not even arguing just the fact

that he was shot what about you have to

interrupt you but just to focus on this

point but there's but that's worldly

state power so yes and Roman Pagan

Emperors they can be deposed there can

be conflicts where they can get killed

so I I'm I guess I'm looking for here

why is it that the Bolsheviks could not

fulfill specifically Stalin why can't he

fulfill the same theological role that

Azar could for example a Roman Pagan

emperor

good point uh good point actually some

Orthodox Communists so to speak in

Russia actually do argue that point

Nicole Stalin's a red star you know

zuganda says that the head of the kprf

party of Russia you know prohana the

famous Communists or what they do say

this it's like oh wow so the Soviet

Union in some way it did kind of

continue on this katek on Legacy but

again this is a bit of a stretch I would

say in the fact that no Orthodox Saints

living all those deceased in the last

100 years actually confirmed this right

the best thing that someone can say

about the best tradition we have is

patriarch Ilia who is like who could be

canonized to sing it after his Repose he

says he believes Stalin repented on his

deathbed so like he even in the sense of

he who wrote looked up to Stalin because

he views him as a co-ethnic as a

Georgian he still has to couch is the

best thing he can say about him is he

believes that due to perhaps some

Israeli Christianity he repented of his

sins and reverted at the end of his life

and that's also rejected by most

Orthodox historians anyway so I think

that's one thing and again the the

there's there was also no like even if

somehow everything you said was true

about that which it isn't there is no

like the idea a lot this this entire

revolutionary basis of something is not

something that a divinely inspired ruler

that someone participating in Orthodox

Symphonia could be based upon but even

more than that there was no basis in

economics for the revolution in the

first place yes the war led to some bad

things there was extreme pressure on

Russia from overseas but even dirty I

mean before William Howard Taft said

that the tsar of Russia whose Imperial

majesties are Nicholas II in a state

bank he created a worker's Paradise that

was unrivaled in history of mankind you

can read the economic numbers on the

Czar and on the on the Empire and I'm

sure I see people laughing it's

hilarious all these Communists and they

think they know everything they got

their big brother to come argue for them

it's hilarious but I think hold on hold

on hold on hold on let me finish let me

finish the you can read the economic

number read Stephen mitford Goodson and

you can look into these things and I

also recommend people read count major

straps spiridovich on all of these

things and recognize that the historical

the entire history Oracle basis for this

is nonsense and the time entire

communist project in Russia from my

perspective was a Bolshevik dude was it

was a Zionist Jewish project sent from

Western capitalists who were going to

overthrow the tsar and that's the

opinion of many especially considering

that his murder was was literally a

ritual which is the consensus of many

Orthodox all right Bishop

here's the problem this is my space man

you can't just interrupt all of us all

the time I'm telling you I'm giving you

as much time you gotta chill out dude

no I'm sure but the I'm making the point

here about I'm you're gonna get heated

now because the narrative in general is

being challenged a bit and I think

that's the perspective of many people

who are Orthodox we're not capitalists

who have no interest in the western

Atlantic narrative that they understand

what communism in Russia was really

about

all right well I just wanted to address

something you said because I think

you're now you're changing this from a

theological argument strictly within the

realm of what's what the concern of the

church is and you're kind of just

shoehorning in these kind of like CIA

British intelligence narratives to

discredit the October Revolution from a

secular historiographical perspective so

just to address that secular argument

that you're making that the Bolshevik

Revolution was illegitimate and there

was no economic basis even figures

within the black hundred movement which

led in astutely observed in 1913 like

Bishop Nikon started to raise the land

quote the land bred and other important

questions of our Russian life what

happened to people like bishan Nikon

they were completely ostracized by both

the church and the black hundred

movement just because they were drawing

attention to the fact that the Russian

people who are being

um indebted you know you have to

understand something about the Russian

State at the time it was fully indebted

to the Russian to the French banks it

kept on taking more and more that the

peasants were starting to become a

miserated their land was being

expropriated especially because of the

stolipin reforms they were being

proletarianized they were losing their

livelihood and they were indebted right

at the same time

so to say that the revolution had no

basis whatsoever and that it had to

somehow be a complete conspiracy it's

just fully a historical and you talk

about all this stuff about oh yeah I

mean you're talking about oh this is

what conspiracy of Wall Street and

you're drawing from Anthony Sutton or

something but you neglect to mention how

the Russians are and the Russian state

was first of all I mean to talk about

the secular historiography here let's

let's do it right the Russian state was

indebted to French banks and therefore

connected to the international

capitalist system of Finance it entered

into World War one because of its

obligation to this financial financier

ruling class visar himself

um

actually descended from the British line

of royalty through Queen Victoria and

through the king of Denmark like the

rest of the European royalty he wasn't

even really are you coming here and it's

all about reconciling the Czar with

Communism and now no no no actually

I am not interested in reconciling the

Romanov Dynasty with Communism I think

the Romanov dynasty was not a Russian

Dynasty but it was kind of this almost

European Colonial Force primarily

Germanic and you know it's not really a

Russian Dynasty when you look at it from

a historical perspective Peter the Great

was a westernizer Stalin took note of

this in his talks with Sergey eisenstein

who Phil who directed the uh Ivan the

Terrible movie and nevsky and even

Stalin's sentiment was pretty clear that

he became aware that he was actually

restoring Russia

to its pre Peter the Great free western

era he was restoring Russia to the

Eastern Christian Eastern Orthodox or

Eastern civilizational tradition that

you saw in Muscovy and so on right

placing more of an emphasis on the

capital of Moscow over Leningrad and St

Petersburg Stalin was consciously aware

of what was going on here and then

moreover under the romanovs the

oppression of the 90 Russian present

majority is so like indisputable these

people had no access to Civil Life they

weren't educated whatsoever you had a

germanized elite and a westernized elite

ruling over a model called Asiatic

non-civilized horde of quote unquote

backward people the Russian State didn't

serve the broad Russian Mass it served

an elite of European

Europe Europe westernizers basically

enlightened westernizers

the black hundred movement for example

didn't even draw huge ranks from The

Peasants the black hundreds were made up

of urbanized lumpin

okay well one sec yeah so do you think

uh

Nikon right you mentioned the bishop

right who was later martyred by

Bolsheviks as well he died on the

mysterious circumstances outside

I was talking about yes

because uh yes it would be Bishop Nikon

Rogers because he did write about you

know these things he wrote actually

Allah he's one of the only bishops who

isn't canonized actually despite the

fact that he was estimably shot by so

why isn't she communist candles

well because I'd actually still can

analyzing science I think every year

it's close to the it's in the in the

tens if not hundreds of folks are being

canonized in Russia there's a waiting

list was he not was he not ostracized by

the church because he drew it he was but

that's a separate subject which yeah I

would actually love to speak about right

like the ostracization of right-wing

conservative clergymen in the church

prior to February but it was it was

because he spoke he wanted to to do the

bare minimum dude I'm really I'm really

not trying to interrupt you but you

can't just interrupt us all right okay

yeah I I want to speak on just the

subject of

um you know you mentioned you mentioned

the fact that you know Communism had

this uh sorry the Romanov Empire firstly

right the 300 year Roman at Empire had

some sort of you know uh oppressing

oppressing notion to it now this

oppressing notion isn't evident in any

of the writings of the Church saints now

you may say well that's because they

were under the thumb of the Synod under

the thumb of the Bishops but we're

talking about Bishops such as Saint

innocent of Alaska Saint Hermann of

Alaska saint but you know we can go we

can list Bishop Saint John of kronstadt

who resurrected people right in our in

our belief we believe he literally

resurrected folks and he was there on

the deathbed of Alexander III and his

famous quote he said well look I've

resurrected people before but for

whatever reason God doesn't wish to heal

you know Emperor Alexander III no like

all these our little anecdotal facts

they build up this compendium that hey

the Roman of Dynasty wasn't perfect

neither was the Communist Dynasty

neither was the dynasty of Constantine

the Great the equal to the apostles or

even Saint Vladimir's Dynasty which

founded Russia essentially with the

early ruse the Dynasty is not perfect

neither are clergyman in the church so

we we will never argue as from the

position that well the romanovs are

something really perfect and we really

need to go back we don't larp the

realistic the matter of fact reality is

that romanovs did make mistakes but so

did the Brewer kids which had thousands

of Civil Wars I mean thousands but you

know tens of Civil Wars which is why the

Mongols invaded there was a lot of

failures and even time of troubles is a

ruined technically like a river kid

conflict right and I suppose if you are

a monarchist you would kind of come to

terms of the fact that dynasties aren't

perfect and the romanovs the romanovs

mind you are not condemned by a single

Saint in the church I would challenge

any Russians or any Russian speakers to

go find me archival documents letters

works of any Saints which condemn the

entire Dynasty this is not

Christian Perspective that we just take

a whole Dynasty take the entire family

and say okay you guys were awful you

guys are pressed and massive now

Orthodoxy does comment on social

equality and things of this nature but

not by condemning the so-called

oppressors and let's not compare a

romantic oppression to the impression of

say the USSR and like the damages that

has done to the Russian people for

example like I think that would be

another conversation altogether right I

think spiritually speaking under the

romanovs I agree you shouldn't compare

it because from a spiritual perspective

it was actually much worse you're

bifurcating I'm not sure I'll let you

keep going I just want to make a quick

point before that tree of a longer Point

you're really bifurcating the spiritual

versus the physical thing in a way with

my mic okay well let me I I didn't

interrupt you so let me continue

so I was just saying making that quick

point because you're like okay here's

what I want to get to though so the

problem is that

it's one thing for czars to be making

mistakes right and you know you could

say oh yeah it was worse in the USSR but

really it was the romanovs specifically

under Peter the Great this wasn't just a

mistake made by any old Czar Peter the

Great fundamentally thrusted the entire

trajectory of Western modernity upon

Russian civilization Peter the Great

opened the floodgates to Freemasonry and

the basic Satanism that you see in the

west now you can blame the you know

Russian modernity as it's called or

Russian Enlightenment purely on the

Bolsheviks but then how do you explain

the non-bolism I would blame it on Peter

dude

okay I interrupt you

so you can't really look at the West

right now you look at the state of

Satanism that exists in America and

Europe and say oh yeah this is all the

fault of bolsomism no this was that

Satanism at the core of the West's

founding what the enlightened civilized

West as we know it that is what Peter

the Great already brought to Russia

right so he was responsible for that so

that's not the same as oh just another

Czar who made mistakes he fundamentally

set Russia on the trajectory of you know

basically completely what went on

probably would call the complete

inversion of

um

the tradition with this kind of

artificial satanic modernism right

everything that was holy sorry

everything that was evil was disguised

as its opposite now evil and wickedness

and Satanism could be disguised as

opposite even the Church of the Christ

the Savior you mentioned the original

blueprints for that church were designed

by a Freemason who used freemasonic

geometrical principles in his

construction they were descended but

then it wasn't that it was a return

that's that's false okay yes maybe the

original blueprints but then it was

changed when the new Star came in after

that it doesn't matter these were the

original blueprints

and yet it just goes to show and this is

a fact how much the so-called

traditional Orthodox Russian

Christianity under the romanovs was

actually disguising Freemasonry

theosophy and other forms of Satanism

and this is a recorded historical fact

they used like a Russian Orthodox

religious tradition to disguise

something fundamentally alien to it and

then you don't even have to get into the

occult and esoteric aspect of it either

because you can just directly point to

how the Russian Orthodox church and this

is just a fact under the Czar after the

20th century at least in the late 19th

century became subservient to the

worldly reality of capital and the

capitalists and the bankers and the debt

the Czar was in so you literally had the

reign of satanic Finance capital and

this was disguising itself in the

Holiness of the Orthodox church and that

is why you had the how hostility to

religion that you saw among Communists

I'm not saying that hostility was

justified because I think they threw the

baby out with the bathwater but in order

for a real reconciliation to take place

it has to be acknowledged that there was

a deep rooted Corruption of the church

at this time and the goal in my view

what the striving of the salt Russian

soul of the 20th century has been was to

return to the authentic Foundation of

both Russian civilization and Russian

Orthodoxy so I'll let you talk

listen I I pre I'm not trying to be too

polemical but that was an interesting

straw man that you built up to tear down

and the straw man being that you can

like we don't have it's not the pope we

don't believe that the Tsar is the Pope

the institution of the Empire the

catholicone as Dimitri espouse We

Believe has a it has a semi-sacadal role

within the church the emperor is

literally allowed behind the altar he

communes he's able to commune himself

this is this has a lot of symbolism if

you this is the kind of thing if you

want to have the sublime thinking that

you all like to talk about these things

actually matter you can't just hand with

them aside as religiosity that

capitalists use these things actually

matter so if you want to be consistent

on your beliefs there I I I I I would

appreciate not hand waving that kind of

things away just because you're you're a

particular tradition or you don't

understand them that also being said I

don't buy at least half the historical

stuff that you're saying it's all this

narrative on the Peter the Great I agree

he had westernizing problems he brought

in Freemasons you notice how you have to

skip all the way up to the economic

problems during the World War One era

because what happened between Peter the

Great and Nicholas II every single Czar

is currently either is either canonized

or considered by many in the Orthodox

tradition to likely be a saint Alexander

III Nicholas the first Nicholas II of

course already a saint these men

preserved Orthodoxy these men rejected

westernization and if you read actual

history and not Marxist revisionism

which I appreciate certain revisionism

but I don't appreciate the Marxist

Narrative of History I think it's

total nonsense but I think broadly if

you read people like spiritovich you

would understand that these people were

killed by Masons they were killed by

Jews and that's the kind of thing that I

don't hear you talking about as much and

that's that's a big key to this

Communists Jews zionists and people who

establish the state of Israel with the

help of the Rothschild banking Jews who

else the people that wanted to kill the

Monarch the historical enemy of the Tsar

has normalized in any globalist

neoliberal tell you now they're all

Zionist Jews and they ritually murdered

Czar Nicholas and you just sit here and

casually slander and repeat the little

narratives and say your little things

and then it's I just don't it's just not

ever going to convince anybody who's a

serious Orthodox professional

uh okay but the problem is that you're

mentioning first of all I'm gonna

address all that but first of all you

mentioned the sanctity and oh it does

matter that these Ares why is the

Bolshevik Revolution more illegitimate

than what Peter the Great did there's a

change in sovereignty in the exercise of

sovereign power I agree was a revolution

but saying that the revolution uh makes

the Soviet government because the Soviet

government rests the foundations of its

power on a revolution makes it somehow

less legitimate than these Pagan you

know czars even before Christianity I

find that complete nonsense right I can

answer that we've explained this like

three times

third row your Third Rome Constantine

through the Byzantine emperors through

the through Ivan the Terrible and the

Paleo logos Empire third row Moscow the

emperor 1917 the true end of Christian

Imperium in the world this is basic

Christians explain what you mean how was

that Dipper Dabber this is known by you

I'm saying are you saying because are

you saying it's because the line of

Constantine like genetically was flowing

through the blood not metaphysically no

but but why isn't it

why is the October Revolution why does

that somehow end Russian sovereignty

explain

because it overthrew the anointed Czar

that the church

all the time that's not new they got

overthrown what would they get replaced

by liberal democracy communism no they

got replaced by another ruler democracy

who what liberal democracy do the

Bolsheviks bring in the Bolsheviks

brought a more tough more effective and

stronger liberal democracy

was a greater Czar than anyone in the

Romanov Dynasty or their decision

you fucking bitch hold on hold on what's

do not make this unpleasant and have me

starting to roast the shit out of you

because it's not gonna bode well for you

dude so keep it respectful

keep it fucking respectful okay you need

to keep your respectful in our space and

not to immediately you understand our

opinion we've made it very clear no no I

haven't called you names I haven't

called you names I haven't insulted you

I haven't done anything like that I've

shared opinions that are making you butt

hurt right now that's not grounds for

you to start taking this to the next

level we shared opinions that make you

butt hurt so you started to start

screaming and talking about the romanovs

being worse

you're dude explain to me you said that

what I know dude you just said I was

making gibberish you said I was speaking

gibberish I told you read the book

because you said you said you said dude

this is why this is why I said it was

jibber jabber because you said dude

we've already explained this and then

you said Christian Imperial I mean you

just gave me a bunch of phrases without

coherently explaining to me why it is

that Stalin is an illegitimate ruler

because the Czar was overthrown in the

February Revolution which by the way

wasn't even led by the Bolsheviks well

look uh firstly has right you firstly

interrupted Conrad and said his

particular statement he was making which

was succinct and maybe didn't include

all the details was gibberger like I

think that's word secondly then explain

it but okay I'll give you another chance

so to explain the idea of the third

round okay The Third Rome idea comes

from the second letter to the

Thessalonians chapter 2 verse six in

particular

so Apostle Paul writes this about the

Roman Empire okay now he writes us about

the Pagan Roman Empire right but with

the role of the emperor and the Empire

as a whole as a sort of preserving this

preserving government which holds back

evil and the Antichrist this is

orthodoxychology so to those who aren't

Orthodox it may sound a little bit weird

it's like what are you guys talking

about it's like yes this is what

Orthodox people believe in in particular

Saint John chrysostom who also wrote Our

most prominent liturgy okay this is what

he believed in as well and the Russian

Saints after him now what Conrad is

saying The Third Rome idea which Dugan

writes about as well right Dugan

believes in the third room ideas

too exactly so let's not let's not

pretend like this isn't me okay

real quick to save time now I don't

disagree I'm not um trying to disagree

with the notion of Third Rome or

anything like that or even necessarily

the significance of the Sovereign or

what you want to call the Czar in

Russian Orthodoxy what I'm hyper focused

on is what specific typically makes

Stalin an illegitimate ruler because

you're saying it's because in the

February Revolution the Czar was

overthrown but czars get overthrown all

the time because their rule is secular

so just explain that I've I've never

said the term illegitimate right now

illegitimacy um only God can determine I

was Stalin a certain Scourge that was

permitted by gods such as balcazar

Nebuchadnezzar and all these you know

awful rulers in the past right in the

Old Testament you read about it in the

Bible yes probably and that's what most

of the Orthodox colleges

but then why why is it that it was the

Bolshevik Revolution and not Peter the

Great that definitively breaks the

lineage of the third role

wrong this is this I disagree with

duganon because

frankly he isn't a historian which you

know he can he's a lot of things but he

isn't a historian he's a sociologist

geopolitical geopolitical expert

philosopher first and foremost but his

knowledge of the Peter the Great's era

is

um has holes in it right so Peter the

Great also saw himself as a Continuum in

his own fashion he even founded Saint

Petersburg and I think he tried to align

the dates of its founding to the

founding of Constantinople in free 313

A.D I believe a 312 so so he actually

tried to align himself with the room

even the fact that he was shading no

notice he called himself an Emperor as

opposed to sorry why he wanted to bring

back that idea of hey I'm actually Roman

like like those guys in the past so he

he had this maybe childish maybe novel

maybe totally not related

by the way sorry by the way can't you at

least accept that there's a possibility

that was related to the Freemasons

generation yes can I let me just make

one point let me make one point sure we

don't we don't base the legitimacy of

our government on whether the government

is good or bad

that's on top of it I have all those

sorts of criticism too especially

compared to the czars government who I

believe was good fundamentally but as

Dimitri's explained the when you're

government first of all when your

government is literally founded on the

mar the previous government when those

people were martyred that's that's a

problem that's a and and when that

government is ongoing persecuting the

church that is a problem

no The Institute because when the ins

when the church itself and Symphonia the

government you talk about how they you

believe that they threw the baby out of

the bathwater and throwing out the

institution of the church and the

Sublimity and all this kind of stuff it

was Symphonia is a fundamental touching

and in Indescribable collaboration

between the church and the state as was

seen in the business

the Pagan Emperors that you claim are

also legitimate according to church

scripture

no no did not a lot of things didn't

exist under the Pagan Roman Empire has

which I'm sure you know but like I know

this conversation isn't really like

scripted or anything so let's just go to

the fact that even metropolitans

Patriarchs Arch deacons all these

additional roles and even Church

Investments were different in the early

centuries so and monasticism didn't

exist in the first centuries like not

additional conscious ship didn't exist

now a lot of things didn't exist in the

early centuries of Christianity now

that's completely different discussion

so we're not necessarily saying that

just because Symphonia as described by

Saint Justinian the Roman Emperor didn't

exist therefore you know it it cannot

exist say in the vulture of period and

that's somehow legitimizes

right but how does the absence is a

problem right it's a problem

I'm not sure what the Practical

consequences of that are supposed to

mean but you could say it's a problem

but how is it again that the Bolsheviks

cannot fulfill the same functions

according to where Orthodox theology

that the czars did that's what I really

want to get to here you can call it

saying that there are problems well I'm

sure you would agree there are problems

with Peter the Great and others ours as

well so what what does it mean to say

there's a problem

well

okay Conrad do you want to go or shall I

well I'm getting some water I mean I

just I just had a drink but I can answer

this have you a drink yeah sure go on

no hold on I can answer this but the

difference being that there's we don't I

don't I would not in the sense that the

government after London after the

Bolsheviks and everything it's not that

I believe that that government should

have immediately been overthrown by a

revolution per se I believe that the

government that was legitimate before

that was overthrown by a revolution that

Revolution was illegitimate one because

it was a revolution in and of itself in

that regard and because inherent in that

Revolution was the overthrow of a

divinely anointed Sovereign in the

Liturgy and the anointing of the Tsar is

a very is almost considered a sacrament

of the church itself to be clear this

does not only happen in revolutions it

also happens in the interfighting

between claimants to the throne like

during the time of troubles so but but

we understand that the difference hold

on one thing I'll let you go the

fundamental institution of the monarchy

and the emperor was abolished I

understand the in form you may believe

it was preserved and I believe that too

and then in many ways God allowed that

form to be safe to be to exist to

prevent Western liberalism from creeping

in that doesn't mean that it's exact and

that it's actual and that someone can

adequately say that that was a Godly God

ordained government in the same way that

the emperor was but why not is the

question okay so I just explained it I

don't know what else there is wrong you

didn't because because immediately what

I'm trying to get at here is that if

SARS can be overthrown in the time of

troubles and that doesn't stop the

Orthodox Church from being loyal to them

is it just the fact that Stalin didn't

call himself a czar formally is just the

etymology of it like what specifically

rendered Stalin incapable of being

treated in the same way as our wood well

first of all yes first of all first of

all I want to be clear about something

because this is kind of getting lost in

the actual history of what happened

Stalin dude dude we can't just um this

isn't us giving you a platform to give

your version of history no no no no I

can I I have come loaded with receipts

here about what the pay the patriarch

the Patriot whatever it's called was was

reconstituted under Stalin and what they

had to say about Stalin while he was

living and while they were eulogizing

for him it's very clear that the Russian

Orthodox Church was in fact loyal to the

Soviet government especially under

Stalin

were they even arguably became

enthusiastic moral Guides of stalinist

rule like they actually they only were

loyal to Stalin in the sense that they

weren't rebelling against him they were

loyal to the government yes they were

active they were actively fulfilling the

aims of the Soviet state under Stalin

specifically

I mean in many ways you can see

Metropolitan and new free right the head

of the canonical Ukrainian Church doing

the same with zelinski now even though

the modern Russian Orthodox Church's

lineage is illegitimate because you just

used the examples

wait a second yeah

but you just kind of contradicted

yourself because you compared the

Russian Orthodox Church's loyalty to

Stalin as what's going on in Ukraine

with the the church with select but then

why but then hold on but then first of

all then you have to somehow break the

lineage of the Russian Orthodox church

and say yeah at this point it was

illegitimate but for some reason the

heaps of Praise okay I never said okay

but you mentioned

you just mentioned all of these not

interrupting no no let me finish it

to point out the argument before I say

anything okay I have to point out the

argument you just mentioned earlier how

there is all these Russian Saints and

all these um you know these Bishops and

stuff that were heaping praises and that

were loyal to the Romanov Dynasty but

for some reason when they're loyal to

Stalin that that's similar to what's

going on with zelenski so can you

explain that all righty all right well

let's start from the fact that yes

Orthodox clergyman can actually support

certain rulers secular rulers who aren't

necessarily the good Gods right you can

see this in Metropolitan and new free

who is the Russians so he's on patriarch

hero and Vladimir Putin's side he

actively supported zielinski right and

we're not saying this is somehow

commendable or good we're just and

notice we're not questioning as

legitimate are we Conrad we're not

saying Metropolitan or nursery and the

Ukrainian Church is somehow you know in

this big you know it's a big Paradox now

no we're just saying like this is what

happens on the political pressure the

church sometimes bends to the will of

the political side right like this is

what happened under Stalin as well we

don't deny that

one thing and then you'll go this there

are no canonized saints the way that the

romanovs were venerated and praised and

held up the way that Stalin was there's

even an entire the church that even

Dimitri is part of the Russian Orthodox

church outside of Russia didn't even

commemorate the patriarch of Moscow

until 2007 because they're compromise

they felt that their compromises to the

Soviet government compromised their

Orthodoxy and I understand you think the

Russian Orthodox Church that's out of

Russia

there's several arguments I don't want

to forget about what I was going to

address with cameras just said okay so

canonist you just I I was hot and ready

before you interrupted me to

to just make this argument right out of

the oven what what exactly did you say

again canonist because his Interruption

kind of made me forgot what I was gonna

say okay what I'm saying is the church

throughout its history at times did

support say okay I got it bad

governments okay I remember what I was

going to say so how do you distinguish

then okay I remember what you said how

do you distinguish then

the difference between being under

political pressure from enthusiastic

support because Conrad said well under

the Romanov Dynasty which lasted 300

years there's this whole history of

saints having loyalty and veneration for

the romanovs the problem is that Stalin

ruled for what 20 years so how is that

comparable Stalin didn't have a dynasty

that lasted 300 years you're gonna tell

me there wasn't political pressure under

that 300-year dynasty for the Orthodox

Church to politically

um to have political pressure I never

said

has I never said the political pressure

was somehow a bad thing it's just the

reality it's a matter of fact Orthodox

like you read the same Apostle Paul's

room that's the square one then how is

let me don't interrupt me please

person wants to challenge me on this

you'll get your cheeks clapped like you

can you can request speak okay you

better come with receipts as well

citations exegesis references to church

Saints okay so if anyone wants to put

off their hand you're welcome but

Warfare the Orthodox church has always

supported in the majority of cases the

particular government in which you know

in whose country it resided okay this is

why Saint Nicholas of Japan supported

the Japanese Pagan emperor during the

russo-japanese war now you may say hey

that's weird but he's not even

ethnically Japanese why did he pray for

the emperor well because he's serving

his Japanese people okay

that see this is what happened in the

Soviet Union it is correct the Russian

church should have prayed for Stalin and

it should have prayed for Lennon as well

frankly and the and that's when they did

the Orthodox Church never stopped

praying for the bolstery government even

in the 20s and 30s right so like I mean

this is the reality here and and for the

romanovs as well except but what the

romanovs have won up over the Bolsheviks

and Communists right and even Stalin

right what they do have and what the

Communists did not is they were also

Orthodox anointed SARS and an actual

Dynasty which is recognized in the

church in the Saints in the sayings of

the clergymen so that's that gives them

a huge one-up and that's what the

Communists unfortunately never gain like

Stalin yes and I agree even Dugan and

Dugan's friend now deceased Vladimir

carpets he does mention he says well if

Stalin in the 50s or after World War II

actually proposed to the church hey

could you guys make me a Tsar the church

will probably say yes

if he had repented like that was a

possibility but Stalin did not pursue it

okay yeah okay again

um

I think we're kind of getting lost as

far as what the argument is supposed to

be here because I agree that it's true

that the romanovs officiated the status

of the church in the for the Russian

state in ways that the Bolsheviks did

not but that has yet to explain exactly

why it is again so you're saying okay

even Lenin was legitimate for the

Russian Orthodox church and never said

legitimate legitimacy isn't in question

I can't comment on legitimacy the

Russian Orthodox Church should have been

loyal to Lenin right

no well they work like exactly what they

were okay but then but then but at the

same time you say that Lenin was a

Satanist and so on so how does you

square this

well that's the thing yes theoretically

there shouldn't have been but they were

Unfortunately they didn't support the

white army during the the majority but

you're saying they should have yes can

you understand that it's important can

you understand that it's important to us

that Tsar Nicholas would take communion

every Sunday and that yeah didn't

believe in Jesus listen I I I'm not one

to even Stalin believed in the

importance of respecting ritual and not

desecrating things that people find holy

I'm not saying that's that's all

meaningless I'm just saying given the

word that has that has fundamental

meaning to us about how someone should

be perceived epistemologically by the

church or by someone who calls it I find

that I find that a historical though

because according to you someone can

follow all of the Motions of of being

religious and so on but in actual

content on a world historical level can

for example be serving the freemasonic

bankers of the West and the satanists

can you name me that person like was

there a person in history like I can

actually you know I can name a couple

but can you and you're going to say

Peter but sure

what yeah the ball is in your court can

you name a certain person who actually

embodied that ideal of deceptive before

that it was even more than that right

the fact that there's because of

somebody it's not that we're judging

Lenin and saying that this person like

he and me and him are going to face the

job the same way and face the same

judgment we're talking about the the

this debate started because I don't

believe that someone can adequately call

themselves a communist in that way in

regards to the Russian Orthodox

tradition and that could be consistent

as someone who's a monarchist or someone

who's a Rome who believes in legitimacy

of the Romanov Dynasty who believes that

actually in the next 50 years

okay dude you do tell me to get to the

point menu how lost I listen to you

ramble in this whole Space you'll just

need to be patient hos okay dude like

you you can just leave whenever you want

okay like that's that's one thing I'm

like debating the three people at once

and he's just like two people dude

you're you're here because your friend

couldn't make a point you're his big

brother here to defend your buddy okay

so well it's okay fine I'm just I'm like

it's like you guys are actually concerns

hey individuals

in the institution that the church has

historically supported in that regard

sacramentally

can you repeat that again

I'm saying even if the Czar is bad even

if Stalin you could say is a materially

better rule or even a morally better man

between the Revolutionary basis of the

regime his rich as Dimitri said he never

approached the church approaching it as

a czar as someone who is seeking

Symphonia and again the sacramental

element with the ordination of the Tsar

his lifetime in communion with the

church this goes back to the story of

people like Saint uh who's at the Saint

Jerome and Saint and the temperature

this is a this is a story that's often

spoken and I'm really not trying to say

with stuff that you don't understand I I

this is how I speak in the context of

the world that I know about but this is

I I I'm gonna try and get to the simple

point that I can parse out from there

what you're basically trying to say is

that despite the fact that the Soviet

government in actual content

was better I'm not saying that I'm just

granting that for argument so for the

purposes of argumentation sure even if

for example the Soviet government

safeguarded Russian civilization from

the Satanism the actual Satanism that we

now see fully in power in the west

despite that fact this

um still would not have been as good as

if God decided for the czars who were

indebted to the French banks uh to rule

just because the czars formally you're

loading the question but like in a just

because of just say epistemologically

yeah no let me finish what I fucking

said don't interrupt me okay I thought

you were done dude I thought you were

not fucking done I've been really

patient with you so don't fucking

interrupt me I'm trying to kick you out

of the space whenever I want man please

then you would concede the debate me to

me because I'm just trying to make this

oh yeah yeah okay I'm trying to make

this fucking simple even for the purpose

basically you're saying for the sake of

argument all that matters is that

they're following the formal procedures

of religion they're not actually

embodying the spirit of the law they're

not actually embodying the spirit of the

religion in actual real content all they

have to do is follow all the fucking

formal procedures and you're saying that

makes them holier than thou and that

makes them better that's basically what

you're getting at

that's not what I'm saying the the at

the end I never once said that there's a

like there's still problems in the

government you can be like this idea

that the government always has to

reflect the idealistic ideology of like

the best situation that's just not

realistic we've already explained that

we believe that fallen in the book let

me offend holy fuck dude let me finish

you just bitched out about everyone

interrupting and this is you are here as

this is our space dude this is we're

here we're entertaining communism okay

please just let me finish this

we're saying even in Israel in the

ancient Israeli context of the Bible we

would say that the Assyrian Empire the

Babylonian Empire Pagan satanic they

served as scourges of God against the

the the people of Israel God's anointed

people who were being scourged for their

paganism their Satanism their communist

was a punishment for the Freemasonry

among the Russian people among the

Russian aristocracy among those things

that's all true that does not

delegitimize the Czar and all of that

institution has been preserved by the

church which is our epistemological

foundation in many ways in the

canonization of Tsar Nicholas II in his

family in the recognition of those

things by the current Russian government

in many ways as well and I again this in

this many way in the way that the church

has spoken and the way it's condemned

Lenin and those ways I cannot say that

Lenin is an Orthodox Christian Stalin is

a somewhat different story but my

opinion is still a note he was not an

Orthodox Christian and the most

charitable interpretation of him in the

church is that he repented before he

died so everything you just said Conrad

that's that's so everything you just

said Conrad is exactly what say Patriot

Carol and the majority of the Russian

clergyman actually believing right which

is what I'm getting at it's not just or

Orthodox

their opinion in particular this is the

opinion of the Russian church and the

the entire Global Orthodox Christian

church so I mean yeah we just have to

contend with that and also has I mean

generally speaking I would ask if any of

your historians are listening and I mean

by your historians I mean colleagues of

yours who are into Russian history I

challenge them to find ways that they

could somehow legitimize the romanovs

collectively as a dynasty from an

Orthodox Christian perspective because

frankly I've tried and I couldn't find

the receipts I couldn't find any

archival documents none of the Saints

speak ill of them actually

right and they do yeah they do say well

thanks Catherine the Great yes Captain

the great made mistakes to speak but he

doesn't sorry speak ill of the Romans

sorry the the dentist okay but what's

what Conrad's saying is you can find

patriarchia.ru the main patriarch Heroes

website patriarch hero paints uh you

know Metropolitan Tijuana Prudence

Confessor the guy who takes Putin to

confession and hears his sins this is

what they believe in this is not some

Bro Science it's not some Hassan Pike or

garbage that you hear on Twitter okay

this is like real life Orthodox

political thought slash and let me just

give one practical example and I'll let

you speak Haz in the in the scriptures

we wouldn't believe that there would be

a legitimate basis for overthrowing King

Saul who was completely fuck he was he

was anointed with a follow-up King there

was no Revolution that was necessary to

overthrow him necessarily in that regard

in the same way that the next king if

they were to become morally corrupt we

wouldn't believe in doing a revolution

and enforcing some kind of ideology

about about dialectics or whatever not

modernist whatever it is that at the

time would manifest itself among the

people or among those discontent

basically we wouldn't believe that that

would be something that would be a

Christian thing to do God brings about

plague and persecution and other things

or you know he will bring about a time

of even in the time when there was no

King he still appointed and anointed the

judges this is just how the true like

people who take the scriptures in

epistemology and their Christian faith

seriously this is how we and we've

explicated this on our show like we have

hours and hours of content explicating

this idea so um I think that we're

sometimes forgetting that I'm not saying

you're this is a problem for you you

just haven't listened to any of our

content so I apologize if I assumed

anything

Conrad would you say that like Putin

would be a Tsar like because in my

opinion he wouldn't be obviously he

would be are we gonna actually like have

this debate or are we just gonna

oh sure sure because there's a lot you

said that I kind of want to respond to

unless I'm not allowed to respond you

are you are yeah I mean you talked about

the oh well we wouldn't we wouldn't even

be against the overthrow of the

Assyrians and the Babylonians and stuff

then just admit that you're not you you

can't really

have a real political role that you're

just focused on the church you just want

to pray all day and that's fine I

respect that right but the problem was

when you start to make political

interventions condemning Lenin and

condemning communism and stuff I just

don't see how it's legitimate if you I

mean it's it's like a retro causality in

the time you're saying the time of

troubles we don't support the deposition

of a monarch but after the Monarch gets

deposed you rally behind the new monarch

and the story they tell as far as the

basis of their legitimate it's always

happened throughout the history of the

church every time right so and it it

also happened on the romanovs who's to

say I mean you're also saying oh I

haven't found any people in the Russian

Orthodox Church who condemned their

Roman arms no we haven't well okay even

even if I grant you that for the sake of

argument that there was no like real

criticism I'll be I'll bet you a

thousand dollars American USD right now

in Bitcoin if you can find me

two of three Saints not support your

position okay

go on go I'm sorry I needed to say that

just like we're willing to put money on

the line all right twitch box whatever

you want okay go on sorry all right

so

even if I granted that for the sake of

argument I think you're and I'm not

trying to insult you but it kind of

sounds like you're coming from a

Catholic or west Christian background

where you're making this assumption that

the Russian that what people say in the

Russian Orthodox Church is infallible in

the same way as like what the edicts of

the Catholic church or what the Pope

says which is not really necessarily

true the functions of the Orthodox

Church

have always been bound by time space and

Circumstance it's possible for people to

have been wrong and it's possible for

New Perspectives to emerge that have not

emerged in the past so I don't really

see what's so significant about even if

it's true that there's this unanimous

consensus right now that yeah the

romanovs were not you know um didn't

harm Orthodoxy or something I don't know

I feel like it's not necessarily even

a religious edict I feel like well could

I could because I let you guys talk for

like 30 minutes all right and then

there's other things you said which is

for example when it came to okay maybe

Stalin was not Orthodox sorry maybe

Stalin it's a complicated story but for

Lenin you can't call him an Orthodox

Christian well obviously consciously he

wasn't but just look at how priests and

religious figures within the USSR talked

about Lenin looked about how they talked

that you know

uh for example that Lenin

that communism has its roots in the

teachings of Christ

and that Christ was the first communist

and that Lenin was a religious person

look at the example of people who say

things like

uh in the poem which was made by demien

bedi bedny that's his name I can't

really pronounce it correct

it was called to the leader and it said

Lenin's writings are the Holy Bible of

Labor castigated Lenin's enemies as

judas's several leading Bolsheviks were

among his friends

they saw uh other secular poets right

there again it's this biblical

unconscious identifying the October

Revolution the second coming of Christ

all of this kind of religiosity latent

in the language and the contextual

background of the the Communist ideology

which is this kind of rooted in this

Christian messianism right now you can

say you don't find it legitimate for

this revolution to happen that's fine

but it did happen so how do you dispense

judgment is the question I feel like the

way you're dispensing judgment on it

contradicts how the Russian Orthodox

Church especially after World War II

actually ended up doing that for example

one last example I want to read out

um this is from

this is from uh the Journal of the

Moscow patriarch patriarchate right 1960

sorry this is from archbickett Arch

Bishop nicodim 1963. many reject

communism because it's linked to the

deadly sin of atheism but they forget

about the atheism within the bones of

Any Given Society

an objective examination of atheianism

reveals needed to distinguish the

motives leading to The Atheist world

view communist atheism represents system

of convictions moral principles that do

not contradict Christian Norms a

different kind of atheism Blasphemous

and immoral arises from the wish to live

independently of Divine Law of Truth

which was present in the depth of the

old society and which often appeared on

the fertile soil of the luxurious and

demoralized lifestyle of the ruling

classes Christian teaching considers

atheism a second type of mortal sin but

looks differently on Marxist atheism

this was the Archbishop of the Russian

Orthodox Church in 1963.

yeah look we

I guess I'll just make the point

um I understand Archbishop

nicodemarotov's opinions he's the

spiritual father of patriarchiro he's

the one who actually promoted

patriarchiral into clergy in the first

place so I'm not saying he was a

he was a bad person of any sort but he

had specific opinions he's not the

canonized Saint he's just one of these

Bishops same as there's you know there's

the Archbishop idahos and the Greek

Church who was uh you know launching

with BLM and things like that in the US

now like so the valuable opinions of

certain individual Bishops and even I

would Grant Archbishop nicodem was in

the 1960s during the Khrushchev ERA this

is a time of still of continued soft

persecution and which I mean in I'm not

going to go into this subject too

heavily but it is a period which we

Define as

a surgeonist okay I'm not saying it's

the whole Russian Church lost legitimacy

because of this but it was a very

intense period similar to how The

ecumenical Patriarchs of Constantinople

under the Turkish yoke in the 15 and

1600s so was the Russian church under a

very intense Soviet communist yoke in

the 60s 50s I would say even from 1945

onwards until maybe the early 80s so and

then you can see morato's opinion yes

notice how he doesn't cite any Saints

mind you Hearts notice he doesn't cite

scripture or even scriptural exegesis is

because his opinions are novel and I

know

because I can just yeah oh how do I know

I'm taking a guess but am I correct

because I know Archbishop I've read his

works so I'm guessing he's kind of just

stating his own opinions which will find

he can have them as a as an individual

that's fine

I was just going to make the point has

again I'm not we aren't saying that

again I'll just give an example Dimitri

is part of the Russian Orthodox church

outside of Russia the church and we

don't in the sense we don't believe in

papal infallibility we believe the

church is synodly local the patriarch

not in the sense that he can speak

literally infallibly on behalf of God

but he is the Archbishop the local

bishop and the church is we believe the

pillar and ground of truth that's just

basic scripture and to say that what the

church says not to say that everything

the bishop says is infallible but when

you submit yourself to the tradition of

the church that doesn't mean that you

can just because of our political

opinions throw aside if you're in the

Russian Church your Senate has

anathematized somebody your Senate has

said this kind of thing and again you I

understand that you're not a Christian

so this isn't going to convince you very

much and that's fine but like from our

epistemological perspective that's not

just something that can be swept aside

and from a governmental perspective

there's also the entire argument and

again I'm not just trying to derail this

but like we have the quote from Saint

John of kronstadt that heaven is a

kingdom hell is a democracy and

obviously you don't believe in democracy

you wouldn't say anything that you

believe in Liberal democracy Western

democracy and your vision of what Stalin

was is much more close to our form of

government but that's also a faction of

the Communist perspective and of the

Communist belief and in many ways there

are those who I'm sure you know this you

fight them all the time I've seen a lot

of your streams like these what you

consider these Democrats LARPing as what

you would consider you know true Marxist

true carriers on events

and it's hard for us to it we're just

not going for my I'm just not especially

with the current state of the question

where I can see as Russia is in this

transition as the church is re-emerging

I'm going to stake myself towards the

monarchist tradition of a church as

opposed to quote-unquote-based Communism

that's that's that was I think that's

returning this to the original question

that was at hand here

right but my my issue here is that um

I kind of forgot what you originally

said I forgot how I was going to respond

to that it would give me a second to

think we're all tired I also we can't do

this forever it's getting late out of

work in the morning let me let me try to

remember what the Orthodox Cannon has

said because I had I have something

just about the Archbishop mostly about

my issue is that I feel like you're kind

of picking and choosing when it comes to

what constitutes infallible now you're

not directly saying that Saints are

infallible but you're just basically

drawing from the fact that while there

are no saints that have ever he's drawn

from to corroborate this well Soviet

communism lasted 70 years compared to

the 300 years under the romanovs so a

lot of this is just a matter of time and

also it's an unfinished reconciliation

in my opinion between communism and

Christianity which people like the

leader of the Communist Party of the

Russian Federation zayuganov is trying

to kind of

zayuganov was given the award by the

patriarch kiril or Carol I don't know

how to exactly pronounce it

um say it

and he was given an award uh the order

of Glory and Honor for preserving the

values of Faith morality culture Unity

of the people

and uh you know basic Traditional Values

the basic

um fundamental values that he says

Define the life of the country so

there's a collaboration going on right

now between the Communist Party

politically and the Russian Orthodox

Church over on the majority of

Communists within Russia our devout

Christians

who are part of the Russian Orthodox

faith

so I to say that oh well the monarchist

tradition is more legitimate well look

what reality says there are more

Communists there are more politically

relevant within Russia than monarchists

are the Communists are the second

largest party outside of United Russia

within the Russian Federation so to

Discount this and just to throw this

under the table because of the

overwhelming phenomena of this kind of

minority of

psychotic Western liberals calling

themselves Communists I mean look at the

numbers the Russian Orthodox Church

sorry the Russian Communist party is

huge it's like it's the largest

non-governing Communist Party in the

world right you look at America yeah I

would count maybe Max 20

000

so-called Communists in America Max

right

um and these are just the tail end of

The Psychotic liberals now they've

adopted communism because of the Red

Scare edginess associated with it for

the same reason someone would adopt

Satanism they're just doing it to

provoke and scare their parents it's not

actually rooted in any authentic

communist tradition and to prove I don't

want to ramble but to prove that one

last final thing even the so-called

communist Communist party right now in

the rank and file they don't even draw

from the immediate communist tradition

of fucking Williams e Foster and the

Communist Party throughout the 60s and

50s because they reject American

patriotism and say American patriotism

is completely illegitimate even though

it was an orthodox communist line for

like the entirety of its existence so

these are not actual real Communists

it's not even just that they're Western

Communists they're not even real Western

Communists either it's a complete

invention of liberalism I know they're

more prominent on Twitter and on the

internet but in the real world it's the

Communist Party of the Russian

Federation and the Chinese Communist

party that represents What communists

are way more

I just find it a bit funny that you're

saying that we're like picking and

choosing when for every like person that

you can sort of quote

um that some you know it's not a saint

not um you know not a saint not citing

any specific scripture or Saints who's

saying some things that are you know

relatively mild towards um communism

we're not expliciting denounce and it's

like we can have well we we can

celebrate thousands hundreds of

thousands hundreds of saints who are

saying the most vehement things against

Marxism calling it like um you know the

coming of the Antichrist and all these

things we can show you all the icons in

our churches that show

um that depict uh people like Lenin in a

negative why like we can show you all

these things so it's I don't know why

you're saying that we're picking and

choosing given the fact that we can give

you like a you know endless endless

homes of people who are actually Saints

on their way to sainthood or locally

venerated um in some areas

um who are explicitly denouncing

um Marxism stalinism Etc

I didn't want to get the debate too meta

but like this was I was trying to

explain our epistemology like the

consensus pot room the count the Senate

councils and synodality the estimate The

ecumenical councils themselves these are

our this is our epistemology and our

epistemology through history is the

consensus poctum the consensus of the

Saints and

the hypothetical fact that communism

could have reconciled with Christianity

after it fell is irrelevant to me as the

Saints have spoken on this as of now and

maybe if look if communism comes back

and it happens exactly how you want it

maybe this conversation will will become

more relevant but I don't necessarily

see that happening either

right but you have to appreciate the

significance of the actual Communist

Party of the Russian Federation which is

overwhelmingly Christian Orthodox the

leader zayuganov is a devout Orthodox

believer who's friends with patriarch

Carol so I don't think this is

necessarily unlikely that the future of

Communism is going to be religious or at

least in the Russian form it's going to

be Orthodox religious now finally what I

wanted to say was isn't it possible that

there could be Nuance here isn't it

possible that the I understand there's a

mixed feeling toward Lenin at least

within the Orthodox church and I do

think mostly negative I'll concede that

to you among most Orthodox leaders

negative Lenin does have a negative uh

connotation but can't there also be

Nuance here can it also be that Lenin

also represents an internal religious

Strife within the Russian Soul after all

Russia is a collectivistic society Lenin

is considered evil and satanic and

demonic but when you compare Lenin

uh to the actual Western liberalism and

when you compare that to you know

so-called liberal democracy I mean there

was an upfront outward Atheism in the

Soviet Union that I don't necessarily to

have been considered draw gone from

religion it was an internal religious

Strife it was an explicit manifestation

of religious doubt that still was in

with within the realm of the souls

searching and longing for meaning

contrast that to America in the west

where you can have churches be prominent

and it doesn't matter because in the

fundamental texture of the society's

culture that search for meaning is gone

it's not simply that people are atheists

they are devoid of the guiding principle

of of any Divinity they're devoid of God

it's complete debauchery it's complete

immorality it's complete Madness it's

pedophilia it's evil fundamental

Sinister evil man exploiting man like an

animal so on and so on I mean it's

Unlimited did prostitution evil drugs

debauchery I think the explicit atheism

of the Soviet state which you could

easily say was within the Journey of

Russia really consolidating its faith

cannot really be compared to the actual

objective atheism you see in the West

so none of us are saying that you know

none of us are apologists here for the

West

um okay first off and then going on when

you're talking about the explicit

atheism of the of the of the Russian

State under um communism there you make

it sound as if the issue is that it's

like sort of the Russian people have

lost their religion and the Communists

there are just sort of tap or they're

just sort of like a reflection of the

people

um in a way um and and that's just sort

of like outgrowth of that but if

communism could have if the USSR should

have stayed around in the next couple

hundred years or 100 years or so

whatever it would be then they would

adapt a more sort of religious trappings

but you know going back to like even

like Lenin's writings for instance the

1905 pamphlet socialism and religion or

Lenin's like explicitly denouncing

Christianity and he says that you will

need to take up the advice of Ingles and

disseminate among the working class the

literature of the industry French

enlighteners and atheists and looking at

the things that people like you know

people have marks and angles have said

about religion which you yourself have

said in the past isn't necessarily the

appropriate way I think it's very

obvious that there's not just a um that

the leadership of the USSR with various

leaders wasn't just merely a reflection

of the poor spirituality of the Russian

people or something like that but rather

I mean maybe it was to an extent I'm

willing to ascertain that to some degree

but more fundamentally I think it

derives from like the ideological

implications of people like Marx Engels

Lenin and and also just well one other

point I wanted to make was that

um there are people like for instance I

don't know if you're aware of I know I

might get in trouble for this with a

Conrad and uh uh Dimitri here but people

like him Sergey bulgakov who actually

was a um Marxism

right for for a very long time he was he

wrote like whole like books about it and

stuff like that I think even Lenin at

one point you know cites him as this

like great you know comrade or something

like that but then some events happen in

his life and then he becomes a you know

he ends up being committed a priest um

he actually he actually gets ordained a

priest um on the eve of uh I think in

like 1916 that you know very shortly for

the revolution then he has to move out

but even someone like him um just I

guess to kind of give you some Credence

here says that in a way that Marxism

that coming about it's a it's a poor

reflection on us because we as

Christians could have done more to um

sort of stop that by having a more sort

of robust political ideology so on that

level

um that you know that you know addressed

the problems of modernity so on that

level I guess I would agree with you but

I think that fundamentally the the

atheism of the USSR and of Marxism is

inherent to it and to the extent that it

would go away in a few in the next 100

years or so or a few hundred years if it

were to last would not be because it's

adhering still to the the um the doctor

and the dogmas of Marxism

um but rather because it has

fundamentally changed its ideology and

even though it might still call itself

the Communist Party the Soviet Union or

Russia or whatever it would be a

fundamentally different ideological

thing that would not be compatible with

the humanism of Marxism I just the issue

here is that why can't we just look to

the words of Archbishop nicodem because

for him well why can't we look to the

word because he's not afraid

I wanted to interrupt you but I didn't I

let you speak so let me speak okay go

you said oh it's not that it was a

reflection of Russian Society because

Lenin actively wanted to propagate

atheistic propaganda and you know the

French Enlightenment and so on but

you're assuming that the root cause of

this is still coming from ideology and

it's not according to Archbishop nicodem

right the depths of the old Society

and it was the fertile soil of the

luxurious and demoralized lifestyle of

the ruling classes and you know I'm I'm

willing to bet that among the Orthodox

clergy in Soviet times they will point

to the sinful nature of capitalism's

influence

so on a fundamental level of the way the

people's lifestyle is right that is

where it's coming from it's not coming

from some ideology that's being

disseminated it's coming from the fact

that people are becoming atheistic in

practice in actual practice the dog eat

dog barbaric every man for himself sell

out your mother sell out your sons and

daughters that kind of capitalist system

was in Practical effect being imported

to the Russian Empire and this

completely turned everything upside down

even if you don't say you're an atheist

the atheism is there and that was noted

pretty explicitly by Archbishop nicodem

now my problem here is that I feel like

there's a kind of double standard where

on the one hand you'll say okay well the

reason the church supported this at this

time is because they were Bound by time

and Circumstance and he it was

khrushchev's political thought and so on

and so forth but it's not possible to

apply the same standard for Marxism and

say well the reason marks were just so

fervent atheists at this time wasn't

necessarily because of the context of

what religiosity had meant in practice

at this time it's because of some kind

of like fundamental metaphysical atheism

I just I just reject that I think you

look at the moral values you look at the

UN like the basic sensibilities of these

Communists Felix zurczynski

you know the night of the proletariat

these people were far more moral I mean

look at Stalin's ascetic lifestyle for

example this was a fundamental biblical

unconscious I cannot really knowing what

I know about Soviet history it's just a

historical to say it's like this

it's this inevitable metaphysical

atheism rather than a specific kind of

struggle

internal to the religious soul

no I think it is very explicit if you

read people like Marx Lenin angles

they're very explicit about their views

of religion you could say oh no they're

just talking about religion of their

time but where do they ever explicit

talk about oh no well we're just talking

about you know the sort of false form of

religion but we like that true source of

religion to the extent that Marxism has

a true sort of religious core to it I

will go to Walter Benjamin and say yeah

it's just like Kabbalah with no Yahweh

yeah I don't think so because I'm not

saying that marks and Engels and Lenin

said oh yeah we believe in the true

religious Corps I don't think they ever

said that explicitly trying to say they

lived that throughout their entire life

their basic moral sensibilities their

basic aesthetic when I say aesthetic I

don't mean cosmetic I mean like their

sense of the world that you cannot deny

there's a fundamental biblical uncommon

so they're materialism like they're like

they're like like their materialism is

that what you're referring to like what

their views of like metal I mean I know

you have this sort of weird view of

their metaphysics or whatever but hold

on you're still talking about like

philosophy and ideology I agree in that

department they didn't entertain

religion in any capacity I completely

agree but I'm just saying there's a lot

they still in practice not only took for

granted but I would argue had in

material fact more of a proximate

relationship to whether they were

consciously aware of it or not with this

fundamental biblical unconscious kind of

moral Bedrock this this fundamental

sense of justice this fundamental

commitment and loyalty to man who's the

greatest of God's creation right you can

say oh well Marx was a materialism what

does this materialism actually mean in

practice and practice all Marxist

materialism did was open the human hand

right toward fighting for your fellow

man that's what it actually did in

practice materialism didn't mean oh

metaphysically we're gonna blaspheme

religion no it's not even addressing the

question of religion it's addressing the

Here and Now of bringing Justice on

Earth addressing the Here and Now of

eradicating evil and and the day-to-day

tasks the organization the understanding

of how the economy works and so on and

so on that are necessary to do that now

just because he's not mentioning

religion doesn't mean it's not still

implicit whether he's aware of that even

or not

I mean yeah I would agree and that's why

I cited people like you know Benjamin

who point you know things out like this

and but to the extent that they have

this sort of uh Christianity ethos or

religious ethos to them I would say

that's only because they're stealing

from our epistemological worldview and

then but then combining it with their

materialism and their other humanism I

don't mean to interrupt but Benjamin is

an intellectual Marx and Lenin are not

stealing anything they're doing it in

practice they're not even aware

necessarily of how Christian what

they're doing is it's being done in

practice Benjamin can take note of this

as an intellectual but and you can say

oh he stole a lot from the Christian

tradition but that's in his capacity as

like a writer or someone who's just

writing things what about the political

capacity of someone like Lenin what

about the fact that Lenin actually gave

human recognition to the Russian people

and to this to Slavs and others who

never had any political status in the

modern world whatsoever that were slaves

of European colonialism what about the

fact that he redeemed the humanity of

these people and gave them political

subjectivity what about the fact that

Marx more than anyone else in his time

recognized and stood up for this

proletariat that was robbed of its

livelihood that was deprived of its

basic means of reproducing its existence

including its traditional existence

which was being having to sell its labor

like a sheep has to sell its own skin

they were neglected nobody gave a fuck

about them this did not mean some kind

of fundamental metaphysical Injustice

even in the minds of a lot of these

religious church leaders in England and

in Europe at the time it was Marx who

attached primary significances I mean

you can say that's materialist if some

injustice is occurring to your family

and your wife if another man is trying

to come for your wife and uh harm your

family won't you call won't that be a

call to action to you once you have your

fists clenched and rise to the occasion

to defend the honor of your family why

is it wrong to defend the honor of

humanity as Mark marks that why is that

make him a materialist too focused on

worldly Affairs why is it impossible to

point out a fundamental Injustice at the

core of the world right why is focusing

on that necessarily a bad thing I think

that more Christian because to me to me

in my view Christianity doesn't mean

just praying and following all the

rituals now I believe in the wisdom of

those rituals

I'm not saying they're nothing but I

believe walking the walk

matters more not just following the dead

letter of the law but the spirit of the

law which is something you do in

practice

I don't know what I'm sure Mom still

might have one thing to say but I want

to make this one point because it's

about something you said a long long

time ago and I just wanted to say before

I forget what I'm going to say about it

you talked about communism in Russian

Society in my perspective communism in

Russia is kind of a lot like what

neoconservatism or Boomer conservatism

is in America I'm sure you have plenty

examples of some Vanguard communist wing

of the Russian party that you think is

going to change the game but I think

Dimitri can cite this as well as Russian

I think the in many ways that ideology

is something that's held on to due to

Soviet Nostalgia for older people as of

who then experienced the 90s and hated

it as opposed to an actual Resurgence of

what the future of Russia is

sociological let me let me let me just

say one other thing my only other point

I was going to make was you also talked

about Lenin and his spiritual struggle

being symbolic of the Russian mind and

I'm not just saying this to be

inflammatory but we're really

sidestepping the entire Jewish angle of

this entire civilizational struggle with

between Russia the church and and the

and the old Cove and uh the kazarians so

I think to talk sociological

anthropologically there I think that's

to ignore that I don't think we should

ignore it I'm gonna address it but just

want to be clear that the attachment of

Russians to Communism doesn't just have

something to do with some vague

Nostalgia it's actually rooted in their

way of life that they're living off of

Pensions they're living in the

infrastructure built under communism and

capitalism has not been able to

materially reproduce all the things

Russians take for granted now that we're

actually built under communism now

regarding this stuff you're saying about

Jewish stuff

I mean this is I find this to be

completely anti-christian you could say

oh Lenin the accusation which has never

been proven by the way not that it would

matter is that Lenin had a quarter

Jewish blood running through his veins

well so what what I mean even I wouldn't

mind saying okay Lenin

was theologically more Jewish than

Christian but Lenin was raised as a

Christian and his family was Christian

the so supposed a Jewish person that's

in his family tree converted to

Christianity marks his father converted

to Christianity Marx himself was an

actual devout Christian he wasn't faking

it you could see the in the poems he

wrote to Jesus Christ and so on and so

on in his early life so I think you're

making like this racialist not even a

theology you've gone beyond the bounds

of theology talking about all this

satanic racialist stuff that's informed

by English vulgar materialism According

to which mankind please don't stop at me

bro what

just don't strum at me I didn't say like

what like are you gonna ignore the

Christian tradition and Christian

history's relationship with Jews

uh I can accept there's a theological

conflict just like there's a theological

conflict between all of the great

religions there's a civilizational

conflict

that's where you lose me I don't see a

civilizational conflict because here's

the thing oh yeah yeah it's a problem

here's the problem you're dealing with

the situation there's a theological

conflict not a civilizational one period

name me a fucking figure in the Orthodox

tradition from 500 years ago who's who's

saying yeah this is a civilizational

conflict with this small minority of

religious people we disagree with that's

let me read you a fun quote let me read

you a fun quote

what year do you want I'm confused

I want because before the modern of it

before the invention of modern

anti-Semitism look up adverse those few

days by St John chrysostom what's that

look up look up adversus judeos by St

John chrysost

this is in the sixth Century so is this

a was this a oh this is a civilizational

conflict or was this a theological

dispute

I'm gonna guess it's a theological

dispute okay

the idea of a civilizational conflict

comes from the racist secular tradition

hold on it has nothing to do with

religion but I wanna I want it to get at

though

what just give me a minute you give me

give me a second yes let me ask you did

the great civilizational you know

empires of Christianity did they have

specific laws against Judaism and folks

who were members of that Community for

centuries from the time of even 100

years after constantly from the time

yeah

were you aware of that okay

also against Muslims

oh absolutely

that's also a civilization also I've got

that also also against other Christians

what I'm trying to get at here is that

in our era specifically after we've gone

through this problem of modernity are we

going to return to the barbarism

According to which we're going to start

attacking each other over our religion

or can we accept now the conflict is

between the world's traditional peoples

and religions and this fundamental

actual atheistic Satanism that is devoid

of any religious character that's on the

other side why should I

uh speak ill of the Jews Orthodox Jews

in New York who are fighting against

globalism and fighting against the

Satanism why should I make them my enemy

what about them makes them my enemy

rather than my brother in humanity

fighting in the same struggle alongside

me because every Saturday at the

synagogue they curse the Christians who

read the Prophecies of Daniel about our

God

you can I I you can talk to more

scholarly

um educated Jews about this theological

dispute you want to have but on a

fundamental level there are religious

disagreements between Christians Muslims

Jews and even other religions right why

theology is my civilizational

epistemology though no it's not your

civilization epistemology because

patriarchy yes it is hold on page

Patriot Carol in Russia has an

understanding that he is in an alliance

with the Muslims in Russia and with the

Jewish religious leaders of Russia

they're they are aligned together they

meet together they coexist and they

exchange dialogue you're just doing some

fucking stupid LARP where you're trying

to talk back to school bro

the actual the actual Orthodox Christian

Authority in Russia does not share the

view that you have on Jews yes they do

no they don't Patriots

Jewish religious leaders so how could

they have the same view as you

show me the text La patreon Carol you

know this is a synagogue and actually

speaks about besides just you know

sitting at the same table you want me to

find evidence of patriarch Carol

interacting I can't explain to you how

patriotic juice

that's part of Metropolitan T condos

who's likely possible the successor to

patriarchy to patriarchery he's

computing's personal Confessor he

attests the opinion of the Russian

Orthodox Church being that the Czar and

his family were ritually murdered by

Jews that's the opinion that's the

current problem I'd have to look into

that I'd have to look into that now

you're Source checking now you now I

didn't I wasn't getting into the

nitty-gritty and all the things you said

that I totally don't believe no I mean

what you're saying at face value but

even if I accepted it for the sake of

argument

that what even even if there's something

said about the past that's negative

about Jews the fact of the matter is

that here and now this idea that Jews

are a civilizational enemy of Christians

is not accepted it's not canon in the

Russian Orthodox Church you know Russia

closed the Jewish agency right about

repatriations Israel yeah that is

related to the political status of and

foreign relations with the country of

Israel not related to the status of the

Jewish religion in Russia so the Jewish

religion the Jewish State and the Jewish

people are not the Jewish civilization I

understand that because you're perfectly

coherent because there are plenty of

anti-zionist Jews that's what you're

missing here even in Israel Jews even in

Israel itself the Hasidic population

resists conscription why the fuck am I

fuck hold on give me a sec it kicked me

out of the space did I get kicked out

it's probably a glitch

it's probably a glitch hello you there

bro

hello

sorry I'm losing you I think

kicked me out

hello

like hello I don't see any questions I'm

glad this is recorded I think all right

he kicked me off I mean this is a cheap

clapping of enormous proportions I think

like yeah I think it's pretty awesome

yes you can go on yeah yeah no what I

was saying is that even in Israel itself

the Hasidic Jewish population

resists conscription into the IDF so to

say that there is something there's an

equivalence between the Zionist State

and the Jewish people is wrong the

Hasidic population and you you have to

understand hasidics are the Bedrock and

the foundation of Judaism you understand

that Zionism was a secular project all

this it was inspired by German

nationalism applied to Jews it doesn't

have anything to do with the roots of

what you call Jewish civilization which

is what you find in the Hasidic

community and if you look to that

Community they are overwhelmingly

aligned on pretty much every issue at

every level they stand with the

traditional forces against the globalist

agenda of the liberal Elites

for a year bro please Don't lecture me

on the Zionism of Orthodox Jews

what

have you ever been to Crown Heights New

York

uh what's the what's the point

you ever heard of Chabad Lubavitch

dude have you you can name anyone you

want the fact that that's not a person

you fucking idiot okay you can name

whatever whatever thing you want the

name

the fact of the matter is that it is a

fact

yeah I'm not familiar with the thing you

just said you should never speak to

Fuentes about this because it will not

end well buddy

I speak I speak for myself I don't

really give a fuck who disagrees with me

this is my view this is your the reason

you didn't talk about this until two

hours into this thing is because this is

this this is incoherent dude no it's not

yeah you focused I was focused on other

things so you're saying that all

Orthodox Jews or even the o-rung

majority of Orthodox Jews

like it's unanimous

I've explained to you my I've I made it

pretty clue

you're saying they're used

I've made it pretty clear my

epistemology throughout this space being

that of the church and the Saints and

the and all that is rooted no it's not

yes it is

says the Jews are a civilizational enemy

of the Russia I can show you because

patriarchy real reads the Gospel of John

and whenever it comes up in the church

calendar and the Council of John says

and the Jews said let our blood be on

our heads and on our children and our

children's children that's in the gospel

yeah yeah exactly because you have the

silly bifurcation between you talk about

being Sublime you bifurcate the

theological reality of the world and the

simple material because you have this

silly picture

dialectic dude

patriarch Carol himself does that when

your cartoon the representatives when he

meets with the representatives of the

Orthodox Jewish Community despite

theological differences and lends out

his hand and his uh dialogue to say we

are still United against the Satan at

satanic West in defense of the

traditional religions of Russia that's

his opinion I'm not sure that's what it

says he says that the meetings has just

as we don't necessarily we're meeting

here but we don't agree I die with you

saying patriarchy the representatives of

the Jewish Orthodox community and

rebukes them and condemns them you think

that's likely

no unfortunately he meets with them in

the context of advising Putin who is

slightly too compromised to Zionist

interests as well in the context of

Defending Russia's traditional religions

against the Satanism of so-called

Western secularism

because how can you say that the opinion

that Jews are the enemies of uh

Christian civilization is reflected in

someone who's making allies of ask the

Jews

what do you mean look up Norm eyes

the ones in power every Jew in power how

about that

okay

look look the ones that run the media

the runs the one okay well we'll bring

them into the space and have them talk

and make their case until they do I

don't know

the fucking respond to that how do I

fucking respond to such a vague illusion

bring this person into the space and

have them speak and let's parse whether

or not they can be said to speak for all

of the Hasidic Jewish dude this is

sophistry and you know it everyone knows

I think you are I think it's very clear

that you are pathologically above and

beyond what can be afforded by reason

pathologically fixated on this stupid uh

stupid now you're gonna now you're gonna

try to slander us and throw us in and do

this it's not slander but I have a

pathological enmity toward Jews I don't

share

okay has that's fine you don't share a

lot of things with us right including

Christianity to be honest so yeah

I've never lied about that I'm actually

a Muslim so I'm in the same boat as

these Jews as far as I'm concerned

I mean you're not okay yeah Jews and

Muslims are at civilizational war with

Christians that's a historical fact but

but kadirov who's fighting alongside

Putin against zelenski Satanism go tell

him that go tell khadirov he's at war

with Christians right now and see what

could you Rob will do to you

Muslims and Jews are at war with

Christian civilization

you are insulting the alliance in Syria

between the Muslims and Christians that

were fighting Isis you're insulting

you can see the debate no you fucking

idiot you're fagot

what a pussy

debate over manhood conceded I accept

your surrender bitch fucking remove me

from the space you little bitch

I'm sorry there's only so much I can

take it's like I'm trying to explain to

this person there used to be a Unity

between traditional Believers and shit

right and he goes yeah well you're a

Muslim has and Muslims and Jews are at

war with Orthodox civilization I am a

true Russian Orthodox Christian never

mind the fucking fact that khadirov and

the chechens are on the ground fighting

alongside the Russian Armed Forces

they're literally at the Vanguard of it

and he's saying he's trying to cause

division between these fucking people

it's unreal look at Syria look at how

the Muslim and Christian coalitions came

together to fight Isis to defend Assad

Iran doing the same shit it's like where

the fuck do you get this fucking idea

it's so fucking stupid but the problem

is that you have these fucking larpers

living in the fucking West talking all

this big fucking game while people are

actually giving their life on the ground

in a Muslim Christian Alliance fighting

against this fucking Satanism people

actually laying down their fucking lives

and he defames that and disrespects all

that shit sitting in the fucking West

because he found some new fucking

trinket fucking new gimmick novelty

identity oh I mean I tried to respect

their fake Orthodox LARP but it's

fucking LARP dude don't fucking tell me

that these converts are on the same

fucking level as the actual people born

into Orthodox Christian civilization in

Russia in Syria

you know

even in Lebanon where Orthodox

Christians are allied with a certain

type of Muslim group right don't fucking

sit here and tell me that the re that

this reality that's the that's what

people literally breathe live and

breathe he's gonna say oh Moses Muslims

and Jews were at war with Christian

civilization

and then that's not even to mention the

Orthodox Jews and Hasidic Jews in Russia

who also are defending the Russian State

against this fucking Satanism it's like

it's a Fed shit dude no I'm not gonna

throw Jews under the fucking bus no I'm

not gonna condemn my Jewish Brothers in

humanity who are fighting against the

same enemy that I am

it's fucking stupid dude

at least show me you have a fucking chin

before you're gonna fucking crucify me

for not getting on board with your dumb

Jew hatred bullshit at least have a

fucking chin dude

I don't give a fuck how unpopular it'll

make me I don't care dude let's admit

the fact it's easy to go after Jews

because there's not that much of them

because there's not that much of them so

I'm gonna be here to be more popular I'm

going to start attacking Jews and have

enmity toward Jews no I'm not I don't

care if there's only two Jews in the

world I will not betray my brothers in

humanity

I you you dude it's like it's like what

the fuck dude you know what I mean

no mine is the popular position no it's

fucking not dude because the people that

you claim you think that Jews are

running the entire system I disagree

with you but it's not like the system

Cuts me any slack for saying this it's

not like I get any slack cut to me when

I say I will defend my Hasidic brothers

and sisters you want to know why because

they call me an anti-semite anyway the

fucking the fucking liberals in power

call me an anti-semite anyway they call

me a Nazi they call me I don't get any

slack cut to me dude I get doxed I get

fucking threatened I get defamed dude

they throw more shit on me relative to

my actual fucking influence than anyone

I know for anyone at my level of

influence I'm only at 20 000 followers

or something I get more shit thrown on

me than anyone else they don't fucking

they don't fucking cut me any slack for

doing this shit so no it's not a fucking

popular position they cancel the fuck

out they try to kill me dude

they threatened to do that all the time

they don't cut me any fucking slack just

the other day these leftists dude you

have no idea they're literally trying to

find me physically to do harm you know

what I mean you think I get slack on you

I get fucking deep platform and banned

from every fucking platform oh hush but

you got unbanned from Twitter everyone

got unbanned from Twitter

they fucking took me on down on YouTube

they took my twitch away

and by day I mean the fucking liberals

you think it's Jews and you're saying

you're just you're not willing to sell

out your Hasidic brothers because you're

just taking a popular position

but the actual people in power don't cut

me any slack and by the way they don't

even like those acidic Jewish people

learn about it dude those acidic Jewish

people don't have a presence they're not

visible they're extremely marginalized

they live in extreme poverty in Devotion

to their fucking beliefs now do you have

to agree with them theologically you

don't I don't I'm a Muslim right but I

can still respect them as my brothers in

humanity my in my religion

said you have brothers in faith and you

have brothers in humanity

maybe that's just a Muslim thing but I'm

pretty sure Christians believe something

similar I'm sorry that's what I

fundamentally believe

you know what I mean

thank you so much gec us I appreciate

you being polite plus listening to the

Orthodox they're all right hope they

understand you're coming from a good

place appreciate you getting targeted by

the globalists including Newland plus I

don't get any slacks thank you so much

Chris conflating Judaism with Zionism is

the game of liberals and the

establishment

yeah exactly I'm not online thank you so

much based abrahamic alliance against

Satanism yeah

bass thank you so much Stalin is good

it's like damn man sometimes I feel like

I get targeted at least on Twitter more

than the ultra right does how often do

you see fucking tweets go viral about me

5 000 likes based on lies how often do

you fucking see that

every day

right

you saw it yesterday

they don't cut me any fucking slack I'm

still canceled I'm still called a Nazi

I'm still called a fascist I'm still

called an anti-semi they're always

saying oh Haas you you're talking about

the Jews when you talk about global

Assad you're talking about the Jews they

still accuse me of that

I stand with my Hasidic Brothers out of

principle I will not sell out even one

brother in humanity I don't care how

strong the numbers are thank you so much

just like these larpers use plastic

flexible swords likewise they're plastic

words and language cannot defend

anything with real substance it fucking

can't you know thank you so much emila

appreciate Christianity is fading and

these larpers want to play Crusader

Kings shame on you they're fucking

larpers they're literal fucking larpers

holy shit they're LARPing so fucking

hard

foreign

it's so detached from the reality on the

ground you know what I mean

it's like there's a right-wing cancel

culture and there's a left-wing cancer

culture and if you don't hate Jews

They're Gonna Cancel you

what the fuck is that shit because I'm

defending these people thank you so much

because I'm defending these people who

live like in subsistence levels of

poverty fully devoted themselves to

their religion

because I fucking defend those people

that that makes me a sellout get the

fuck out of here man

it's not it's not manly

you can't look those people in the eye

and see me with them and go you are my

enemy what

people who have so much conviction and

belief

and I'm supposed to disrespect that dude

they're more holy than I am I'm an

Unholy guy I do a lot of sin I engage in

a lot of fucking sin and I have in the

past too

these Orthodox Jews are more Muslim than

I am you're a great man can you trust

solid as they come

these a lot of these Orthodox Jews are

more Muslim than I am who the fuck am I

to say on their minds thank you for the

blame juice for their personal failures

exactly that's ex and that's what Putin

said right everyone's a sinner and

that's why I actually wanted to give a

lecture about after this debate was done

because I was thinking a lot about the

Christian idea of forgiveness right

and what I mean by forgiveness is it's

like

I'm not cut any slack and that's why I

forgive everyone despite their ideology

I forgive everyone despite their

ideology right thank you so much

Alexander appreciate it very excited for

the future of infrared let's go thank

you so much Alexander appreciate you I

believe in forgiving all these canceled

people even all these right-wing people

who have these views I forgive all of

them I forgive them because I was

canceled in the same way this is my

Earnest and honest message to all these

good leftists that are out there

there's only a few that are left I hope

I don't I hope they didn't say some

horrible defamatory shit about me I

don't know about because I don't really

keep up with them but from what I know

the midwestern Marx gang and that guy

Noah forgot his last name

those are decent guys from what I know

they're decent they're decent people

right they're decent honest I disagree

with them thank you so much they think

Islam is attacking Christianity when

Islamic Empires were more tolerant to

Christians inside their empire than

Christians were to each other so much

lice Rose you know what I mean and uh

that's that right but my my good faith

just thing on a friendly friendly thing

I want to say is like

I think the disagreement comes from the

fact that I I don't just think the

problem is a certain type of leftist I

don't think it's just the synthetic left

I think when you have a left that

condemns and crucifies human beings on

the fucking cross canceling them and

dehumanizing them in such an

illegitimate way you have to do the

christological thing and forgive

everyone you have to say I'm done with

leftism I'm done with this way of

approaching reality it's really telling

to me that when they tried to use the

Gospel of John against you they couldn't

quote the passages correctly yeah it

doesn't surprise me I'm not even like an

expert when it comes to theology

who participated in the ritual

executions later boasted about his

sacral historic Mission I always

wondered if there was a shibati in

Frankish connection what do you think

great story I'm not familiar all I know

is that Lenin didn't give the order

that's all I know about the execution of

the romanovs that's that's the only

thing I'm aware of right I didn't I

haven't looked into what the motivations

were anything but what I'm trying to say

here is that

a lot of a lot of people like no Haas

don't write off the entirety of the left

why are you writing off all the left

because of these these ones that are

attacking because if they call me a Nazi

if they call me a fascist even the

actual people in America who call

themselves fascists must be forgiven

because how do you even know that

they're legitimately fascists how do you

know they are how do you know they

haven't just succumbed

to the fucking evil reflected by what we

call the Left Right remember that speech

I gave about two years ago I hate the

cloth a snake wears to disguise itself

meaning for me when you're saying Haas

they're not real leftists they're just

CIA people disguising themselves as

leftists but I take the

christianological stance and say even if

it's a synthetic CIA plot I don't care

the fact that they can disguise

themselves in this form condemns the

form

if they can disguise themselves in a

form even that form is condemned

and to me that's the meaning of

Christian Forgiveness Christian

forgiveness is not oh I'm going to

ignore crimes no Christian forgiveness

is about an indictment on the greatest

of all crimes and that is an

illegitimate and unjust institution the

very institution from whence crime and

justice

is judged right is made

that is the true evil which must be

destroyed and that is what frees us from

our debts that is true forgiveness

see through Christian forgiveness true

Christian forgiving of debts doesn't

mean you sit here and go I'm gonna

ignore that this person was financially

irresponsible it means the very

institution of the bank the very

institution by which people are making

money is illegitimate and must be

destroyed forgiveness is a revolutionary

act forgiveness is the destruction of

Empire forgiveness is what destroys the

very source of the evil so my reason why

I reject leftism

is because their way of canceling people

and filtering out and isolating oh this

person is the enemy so anything is

anything is allowed against them

anything is allowed against them kill

torture rape doesn't matter anything is

allowed against them that whole

Foundation is corrupt the whole thing

the fact that evil people are able to

hijack it is a form of corruption I

believe in forgiveness I think something

may be similar happen even with the

Orthodox church with all of the

Freemasons and so on who infiltrated the

Orthodox church maybe the church needed

it was the divine plan for it to be set

on a New Foundation

that is christiological forgiveness

forgive the Bolsheviks for the league of

militant atheists forgive the Bolsheviks

for their uh Blasphemous the rank and

file Cagers on the ground forgive all of

that because it was the ins it was the

corrupt institution of those claiming to

be religious but who served Satan in

reality that led to that in the first

place and because when let me tell you

something when the devil is in Rome when

the devil is in Rome

one cannot distinguish Saint from sinner

one has to forgive everyone equally even

those who are truly guilty

I find this to be a beautiful and

extremely powerful powerful

christianological notion

it's inherent in the christological

concept of forgiveness

which is so fucking revolutionary and

Powerful it's like Hans you're a Maga

communist that means you're going to be

working with all these racists and

bigots yes even the ones that are

actually racist and bigoted yes I

forgive them all of them

all of them I'm not a fucking leftist

anymore I forgive all these people all

of the debt is cleared now let's start

from A New Beginning now let's talk to

these people now let's actually build

hope you want to talk about the evil of

racism let's create a positive Alliance

of races let's unite the white people

and the black people I forgive that

everyone for being racist I don't care

if you're actually a deplorable I don't

care I want to go forward I forgive you

I forgive you I am not a leftist

to me that is christiological

forgiveness

it means even when according to the

state

they say Haas we need to hide behind Joe

Biden to prevent fascism no allow the

fascism allow it I forgive it

the anti-fascist Democratic state is

what must be condemned I forgive the

so-called enemy because the foundation

The church here is corrupt the Cathedral

of liberal democracy is corrupt so I

forgive its enemies

they called me a fascist they called me

a Nazi

that means their entire Foundation of

accusing anyone of anything is wrong and

corrupt

that means even the people that are

actually guilty are now forgiven because

they're it's like it's like if you have

a corrupt Criminal Justice System the

whole prison has to be emptied the whole

prison must be emptied it was in the

song

white white Army Black Baron

Red Army is the strongest

empty the prisons we will empty the

prisons what about the real criminals

even the real criminals because the

whole foundation of the law was corrupt

and then in the future will the

criminals be caught will Justice occur

yes but Justice does not take steps

Justice works like a sword cleaving its

Target in two

all at once

and then afterwards

a New Foundation must be built

the most revolutionary thing is

forgiveness

you forgive them

and then in the future if they stay evil

and they stay Wicked like the anime

Nazis we will confront them as the enemy

yes we will

they say oh you're a sucker has you're

forgiving all these people they're gonna

stab you in the back I don't care I'm

ready for it I'm ready for it I will not

hide behind the corrupt American left

and its corrupt institutions I am in

that same wilderness

even if I have to claw my way out

fighting

will truly evil Wicked people who even

deserved to be condemned even if they

deserve the Judgment of the law when the

law is corrupt they are forgiven

and you must learn why they're evil

again if they truly are evil but you

must give them the good faith you have

to give them a chance and that's what

the left hasn't fucking done for these

Maga people give them a fucking chance

give them a chance I'm wagering on them

I don't believe Maga is fundamentally

bigoted and racist and all these things

I don't believe it

I forgive them

and I start from a New Foundation that's

Maga communism it is based in the

christiological notion of forgiveness

foreign

so this stuff they were saying about oh

the Jews and so on and so forth that oh

baby thank you so much so box you're 100

right us leftists don't want to forgive

they want to be excused only the things

that can't be excused can be forgiven

That's the basis of christology a

dialectic of justice and mercy exactly

thank you so much soapbox

he said something about oh well the Jews

in the crowd said we take it upon

ourselves

the crime upon ourselves and our sons do

you not see how radically at odds with

the Christian logic that claim was this

was yes a polemic against Judaism but

not not in the form of indicting the

Jewish people and their their progeny

and their ancestors

the whole point is that Christ die for

your sins so even if according to

Christian theology some Jews committed

the sinful act even they are forgiven

there is no Eternal burden of of debt on

the Jewish people for what happened to

Jesus that is radically anti-christian

kind of theology Christianity is about

forgiveness

am I wrong about that

how can you do this satanic thing and

have this pathological enmity on Jews

who after all are part of God's creation

as an Orthodox Christian I think these

people have demonstrated the need for

neophytes to reach a certain level of

maturity in the faith before one should

cultivate an online presence God bless I

agree thank you so much night of Babel I

agree now I'm not denying there's a

theological dispute between Judaism

Christianity and Islam just saying that

dispute should not be brought to the

status of human enmity should not have

enmity to another human being because

they're not your brother in faith there

are Christian polemics against Judaism

after all Christianity was founded as a

breakoff from Judaism fine that does not

have to translate into actual enmity

against your fellow man

because he's of a different religion

thank you so much Finn W those two could

be interchanged with the Pharisees in

the story of Christ all words and no

Acts

yeah it's like

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yeah it's so convenient that your

position happens to be the one that's uh

allowed I don't dude I don't get any

slack cut to me that's the fucking thing

thank you so much Texas when Christ was

crucified he said father forgive him for

they do not know what they do

yeah I mean I'm not an expert in

Christianity but isn't that what he said

isn't that what he said

I just think we're living in an era

where Muslims Jews and Christians are

starting to come together and Unite

and I reject I reject

enmity toward the Jews as a whole people

there are individual Jews who are bad

there are individual Christians who are

bad there are individual Muslims who are

bad

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military Cathedral

uh with um

with uh I've seen that I've seen the

Moscow Cathedral

I've seen it

there will not be any alliance between

the abrahamic faiths if you cut off one

of the links

you can't exclude anyone

I don't get any slack man it's like I

already I'm at war with the whole left

you know these people are fucking

vicious too right I will not change in

my principles

I will not change

I don't get anything I don't get checks

cut to me by fucking institutions I'm

not in League with the fucking anything

in power nothing

that's convert zealotry honestly

thank you

know this is one of the reasons I'm

actually just a communist so strongly

there needs to be some way to just be

about Humanity right

I can't do this thing where

oh yeah let's start going and attacking

each other over religious differences I

can't do you know what I mean we got to

be Mongols there's got to be a way for

there to be some Universal Humanity

that doesn't produce enmity between

People based on religion you know what I

mean

for me that's communism I am a communist

everybody needs to be humbled

I'm a Genghis Khan communist Genghis

Khan came and he whooped everyone's ass

he whooped he said all you people

fighting each other over religion imma

whoop all of your ass

and you're gonna have to coexist

that's what I believe

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I mean I am a Muslim in my heart right

but I will never ever put an identity a

religious identity between me and my

fellow man

I will never put let a label come in

between me and my fellow man

if there's any truth to religion it's

true Here and Now

it's not true eventually in the future

it's true Here and Now

as we're sitting here fighting the

wickedness evil and lies the Empire of

Lies ruling over us let's be honest

conservatives and traditionalists except

Agnes uncritically it doesn't mean they

can't be right they often are but they

have not thought anything through I feel

like it's not even true traditionalism

thank you when Christ told God to

forgive those who tortured and killed

him it really spoke to me it still

doesn't I'm not even religious anymore

thank you so much thanks yeah it's

powerful shit is powerful

foreign

Satan is called Satan the Accuser

right

unless I'm wrong pretty sure it was

called the Accuser

I'm not here to be the Accuser

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Jews Christians Muslims atheists Hindus

Buddhists

all can be my brothers in humanity as

long as you're fighting side by side

with me for communism

let God judge us

for our Deeds here on Earth and the

Hereafter but let us never put a dead

letter

in between us and the living task called

before us to fight against the Injustice

evil and wickedness here on Earth

this is my statement

I've seen evil I've seen evil firsthand

I see even in the way they defame me

it's evil it's wickedness they say

things about me

you don't know where it came from it

came from planet Jupiter

what but evil is behind this

it's evil it's wickedness

those who spread deceit

those who slander

those whose Foundation the foundation of

their whole world is lies is based in

lies

the war we are in is black and white

truth and falsehood

it's truth and falsehood

you can surrender the truth you can give

in to the weight of falsehood to slander

it's easy to do that

it's hard to fight for truth

it's hard to fight for truth

the basic idea of christianological

forgiveness it's simple I'm going to

simplify it for you

you can have enmity between two human

beings I'm a leftist oh this person's a

bigot this person's a racist

I have a dispute with this person this

is between you and another person

but when you become condemned by the law

right by Society by The Gaze of the big

other by law right

and this is transcending the enmity

between two human beings and is now an

enmity

between the law and a human being

and what that enmity has as its

foundation

corruption falsehood deceit illegitimacy

it's no longer between you and another

person the whole fucking system is

rotten

and even those who are actually guilty

of crimes must be forgiven

forgiveness destroys an Empire

it destroys the very Foundation you now

have to roll the dice and say I'm going

to free the prisons are some murderers

and rapists gonna Escape along with the

falsely accused yes

and if they commit their crimes again

we'll throw them in prison again but

we'll throw them in a new prison in a

prison whose Foundation is based in

righteousness and justice

that's the meaning of forgiveness year

zero

we will never ever take refuge in any

corrupt form of Justice we won't take

refuge

we won't take refuge in a false system

of justice

so let even the guilty let even the

truly guilty be forgiven we will not

hide behind the powers that be Open

Hearts this person's a Nazi this

person's a fascist but you are my enemy

we'll see if this person is a Nazi or a

fascist in practice we will see if

they're actually engaging in genocidal

extermination against their fellow man

we'll see but you're the Nazi in my here

and now it's you

it's not them

they are now forgiven

to falsely accuse someone is to forgive

even the guilty

one who is falsely accused exonerates

even the guilty that's what I say one

who is falsely accused exonerates even

the guilty

the guilty are forgiven for every one

person who's falsely accused the guilty

one is Forgiven

no point to forgive the devil he only

does it again let him do it again that's

the risk associated with Christian

forgiveness you're taking on our risk

now you're saying I'm clearing the debt

I'm clearing the sins now

yes

they'll sin again they do sin again

since

Christ of course man has sinned

but he still forgave them up until then

and there's a reason for that

because the debt all of it was

illegitimate

I'm saying this as a Muslim by the way

I used to be a leftist I realized they

wanted me to condemn my own people then

I knew they are not what they think they

are

all right

unless we have any more debates

what about pedals

no you don't forgive them

foreign

I'm not saying there are no unforgivable

things

talking about the manner by which

systems

not people become condemned that happens

with forgiven a general forgiveness

but yes there are some individual crimes

that are fundamentally Unforgivable

absolutely

absolutely yes

but

how those crimes are dealt with cannot

be discussed

do we forgive leftists

we fight we fight against those trying

to eradicate and exterminate us

we resist them

the reason I think those who harm

children cannot be forgiven

it's because you're not doing something

against the it's not a crime in the past

it's a crime on the future

to her children is a crime even in the

future

of debts being clear even after deaths

have been cleared you're still engaging

in this metaphysical crime against the

future

right

thank you so much Chris appreciate it

Communists so religious the purpose is

reconciliation only those that foreclose

this are beyond help God only helps

those that help themselves

but

the thing is I said when the prisons

open

everyone is free even the guilty

well some people

the moment they walk out yeah okay

you're forgiven from the prison but then

you walk out of the prison

and one must account for the living

living here and now

um

damage they've done to a child

so how will they account for that

according to a new law

that uh brings back forms of punishment

that only exist

never mind okay follow me on Rumble

I don't also mean this

I don't mean this literally either I

don't literally mean we should empty all

the prisons

no if there's a proletarian dictatorship

you're going to keep a lot of people in

prison murderers just saying kind of

metaphysical and in principle is what I

mean

for example in politics it was the left

versus Maga for a long time

now you must forgive all of Maga because

the left proved its own corruption and

wickedness for example when the DNC

cheated Bernie that's when it should

have been

they should have said okay the whole

fucking thing is rotten we must forgive

all of Maga now

you know what I mean

it's like in it's the logic it's

Christian logical it doesn't literally

mean

literally mean in every circumstance you

forget the wrongdoing in someone's past

it means you can somehow

have this logos

that relates an institution

with people

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guys

good debate

see you guys tomorrow bye

good debate

see you tomorrow

hopefully early stream