WHY 'MARXISTS' FAIL IN THE WEST [2021-02-04]

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i was waiting for an next ream to do that

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you know i couldn't stdream yesterday told you guys because i've been you know

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but i'm back again today

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and it's going to i don't know i

they were going to have a stream tomorrow but i think definitely saturday we're going to have

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in this chat how you doing man

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i don't know the foot you're talking about i really just don't

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prepared to be triggered you know

prepared to be triggered

by this threat on lefty pool

so

we're going to probably need to make use of m s paint because this's the only

language these people understand you know was simplifying shit

and it just yeah

what john how you doing man

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i mean it's probably going to have to happen

allright let's get right let's get right to it

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the only language you understand is shitting on angles yeah

i guys i want to clarify something too

on

because i kind of felt bad because you know what guys

there's a lot of base

english people

people from the british isles

and their based

and also there's a cool unique style in the british isles i fuck with a lot they have cool fashion they got cool transitshit

i don't have hatred for english people

for me anglo means a certain civilizational dogmatism it's a type of curse

and that's why

when english people are fighting us imperialism

they're actually fighting against

the anglo remember the b first victims of the anglo disease

were english people themselves right

the first victim

i

okay for sure thanks for the d m t

yeah i want to clarify that it's not like a racial thing ok

i don't hate english people

there's a lot of based english people

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for me anglos this type of impiricistic

you know i'm saying this dogmatism these people who think they know what marxism is and they just confuse it with anglo saxon

metaphysical dog muslm shit

that's what i'm talking about when it comes to ang

ok

and you know me i don't give a fuck right i'm not pandering to nobody but i'm just telling you i don't have any hatred in my heart for english

ok i don't

just thought i should clarify that

that out

but

there is a unique pathology of the

passed down by the english ruling class you all these mother fuckers

right

from the mauthduians the race scientists to the you know

impiresss bert rand russell all those analytical

dogmatic people

you know i'm saying it is what it is

is what it is

is whatere there's no hatred whatsoever

ok let's take this out

you already for this you already for this

wh i feel like i'm about to be triggered about to be triggered immediately about to be triggered let's see

we gon't

ok let's look at the thread starter

this read is for a discussion on infrared

infrared is a group with has being the leader

false

this is false

ok guys

stop making shit up

this is not true

it's just that i'm the most active streamer and

admittedly

so far the most energetic one

but

this doesn't make me the leader ok

the if you for example

all of our videos

are edited by our guy vic guarde

from romania without him we would be nothing

we' be nothing

i'm just a fucking idiot who gets on camera and yells and shit

ok

don't call me the leader

most of those interviews you see were not set up by me

ok

the really good ones we have

so let's not

let's not let's not start these means ok this is not true

simply not true

if this was the case guys we would not you see how my how i am right i'm a fucking jackass

so let's not

don't don't blame everybody and by the way not everybody

you know

is is

acts like an ass like i

ca

let's get that off the bat

from my perspective they draw a lot of influences from martin heideger

well ok

what western thought in the twentieth century

anyone who's dealing with the western thought in the twentieth century

any serious way

even these analytic people who found it necessary to go out of their way to dismiss him

ideger is the formative influence he started a revolution in thought in the twentieth century

if you know anything about the history of thought in general

in the twentieth century

this guy heideger was formative he initiated a revolution

i would call it the onological revolution all these trends you see

everybody you know of deulues lakon

post modern is a object oriented ontologist

sorry i'm

i saw bad

all that kind of stuff

all comes from high degree

ok

so credit re cureds due

we're not dogmatic ida garan

we just acknowledge high degree initiated some kind of revolution and thought

and we're dealing in that area but we don't agree with high degrese conclusion

can

he didn't really have any conclusions either

and

dogin

but

ok we red going in geopolitics

again

because it goes back to high degree

who does dugan's main influence

high degree

koja

same exact thing high degree

lck on

same thing

hig degree

lak on

kjev to hideg they're all post id to garans here

all of these people you just mentioned are post heed to garian

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these are all people responding to what began with high degree

this is what they all have in common all these people have high degree in common

ok

so we're ok

clarifying this

we're just marxist leninist

it's all we've called ourselves we're marxist leninist

but it is our view that in the western context

to make that understandable to the western mind and to translate marxism leninism to the west

you need

hi degod

they don't need it

in russia and china and stuff because they have reality right

they have reality itself because they have a

sacred and unspeakable

understanding of their civilizational national fame whatever reality

they don't need high degree

the west

right

because we're all cartesian

abstract individuals

we need thinkers like heideger to make sense

of marxism leninism

and to me

marxism leninism isn't some abstract

formal doctrine

a to us

it's an index of real experience and tradition

in history

okm

so

let's first

let's first

dispel this idea that marxism leninism is a set ofp axiomatic t that's what the anglos think

right that's what they think

but in reality maxism lenm is just the word marxism leninism is just a word

that is an index of definite

historical

political and so on tradition

ok

the way marxism lenism is able to make sense outside the west

very different from how

we have to make sense of

here

think i like

you think i began as a hide a gear and i like having to do with all this shit

no

but you have to to make sense of it in the way

otherwise you're going to run into confusion

and

what i'm saying is that's why in the west

they don't get far marxists are full of confused

all sorts of assumptions they make in the draws all sorts of stupid conclusions

and marxists are unable to get anywhere in the way

why

because

people in the east can take things for granted that in the west you can

so you have to deal with this

schizoshia

just to make sense of ordinary simple reality

outside the

ok

what's this guy's de anglo man bad

well ok

don't you guys see that there's a change historical from anglo to china now

there's just different cycles and after modernity right

that

spain

the dutch

portugal on that nine order

then england right now we have america it's kind of an extension of england now we're moving to china

so if i'm shitting on anglo man it's because it's a type of curse

dogmatic curse of thought

that is not up to date with the actual historical change were experience

marxism is not a western ideology

well if you saw the cover image of the stream the thumbnail

i don't see how anyone could see think of it as a western ideology you have to be a fuking idiot to think that

the only reason marxism has any relevance whatsoever

is because these guys in the east

the stuff that's going on in the east we're shouldering everything

no one would have remembered marx or marxism

were it not for what happened in russia china and

etc where twenty five percent of the world's population was living under marxist government

almost all of those if not all of those were outside of the west

i don't consider eastern europe

to be inside the west

so there's that too

ok

i don't know how anyone i don't know how this is a you guys think this is a heterodox view is this a heterodox view

how is marxism a western idiology

when it has only been defined maintained

and given relevance outside of the west

is it fair to call it a western idiology

is it fair to call it an idiology at all i don't even agree with the view that it's an idiology

merkel is based in ans impeialist

i never said that once

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a painting number

fifty three

where neon and i think this is neon and i think

i'm going to predict that

all of the haters in this threat are one to three people

and one of them is neon

yeat neon made this up

i never said this or implied this

in any way whatsoever i didn't never fuck and say the word markel

and by the way i find it interesting neon you accuse us of being merkellos

but then you said we're third world is who hate the west so pick your fucking battles right pick which one you want to choose

first were third world is who hate the west were do goingess

and now we're merkelis

dude you're fuckan idiot you're reducing the entire german nation to merkel

you reducing the entire german reality to morco

i don't agree with

i just don't

but if you think in idealist terms i guess whoever is the latest celebrity figurehead

head of state

objectively just represents in the entire historical tendency in course of

you know it's such a stupid way of thinking

socialism is one china does stp

ok

we never said that we already live in sources and we did say that soc is actually fuds and we kind of said that on to logical

i don't know why guys are scared of this word

all on ontology means is the question of being

it's being right

different ontologies have different understanding and idea of what being is

and guys believe it or not the materials dialectic is an ontology

has a definite ontological stance

but anglos want to hide that from you and pretend like

dialect to materials and materials dialectic is reducible to a set of systemic axioms

and is merely an extension of the

empiriis

right

but it's not that

it's not

marx was very clear

that

i mean

guys

the conclusions that i've come to i've come to because i'm a marxist first

the

ok i didn't begin this way

hating on the anglo stuff or whatever

first i began as a mark

you understand

so

don't let this word ontology scare you the thing that should scare you is the foreclosure of being

that was initiated

i

that was initiated after anglo saxon modernity

a foreclosure of being that led to a dogmatic

ah

kind of curse

where only one implicitly one type of being

was understood as real and taken for granted and there was no in the high degree reintroduces this question of being

in terms of thought

and then i would argue an actual reality

with the october revolution in russia

you had you

an actual real and actual

and

challenge of the anglo saxon

foreclosure of being a new type of russian being revival of russian civilization

so they think marxism is a yah

if marxalsm is not an idiology then what is

i don't think it's an idiology

i think idiologies are

things that are specific

time and place

a

i think marxism is above all

i

type of stance in relation to

what is called modern

it's a type of position

in thought

and in pract

so on in relation to madern

ah

its actual content is actually open

not predefined or written

i mean it's dialectics one to one

i don't agree it's an idiology at all if

let me ask you a question based mingle

if marxism is the idiology

name one dogmatic

axiom that is true for all of time and means the same thing for all of time

that is unique and exclusive to marx

ever you cannot find one premise of marxs and angles is thinking not one premise

that stays constant forever

just like infrared you cannot find one

premise

were were do goiness were hid to garans were merkelis

you're throwing all these terms at us because you cannot find because we're simply marxists

you can't find one dogmatic premise

that defines our view

all you're seeing is

the developments and application of thought in real time

no just another fucking schizopandom like with

rag fi

to

ancient

be federal

i's not my drum

i'm new to lefty

can anybody explain

nailed down a concrete position policy that defines the idiogy

no you can't

because

we think dialectically

so no you can't

care

this

what's defines our position

can only be revealed

by example and by practice

all struggle is

he to have been class roug

what does that mean ja scotton what is class struggle

that's it's a phrase from the fucking communist manifests on a dogmatic tenet of marx

that' something marx and angles wrote

in the communist manifesto yeh

you want to say that everything they wrote is a

systemic axiom of the marxist idiology no it's not

because

if you were to apply it that way you wouldd up in

contradiction

contradictions yet

i mean the whole reason why we have a heterodox view of marxism and why everyone who's smart does by the way it's not just us

everyone who's fucking smart

is because

when you

have a dogmatic view of marxism marxism becomes an absurdity

it immediately contradicts itself and it becomes bullshit

you guys want me to draw that out i can

ok

maus dialectic

historical materialism

if you think about those things dogmatically and one sidedly

right like anglos do marxism devolves into fucking absurdity

devolves into fuckan absurdity

ok

not everything they wrote is a manifest

ok what do you mean by dogmatic

ok you're to you're talking about some fucking medieval

special view of what dogmatic is

i'm saying the manifesto

oh we got irish i'm saying it's not dogmatic in the sense that it's not edged forever in time there's

you know

it's not like some premise

not trying to argue that familiar definition of mediology

idiology is necessarily dogma

no

i don't agree with

hey dude i got into an argue with you and i know rs i remember you

should't put you many laugh what you

wellk iris listen

irish

no hard feelings no beef we don't hold grudges

no grudges at all

ok

you know i appreciate you coming here and you know

acknowledging how that would

be some hostile behavior

i in turn

don't want

don't want to have any hard feelings be

soright don't take a person

right it triggered me but don't take a per

ok

but i

but could you explain why we're living in socialsm and i'm sure that it's going to be brought up in this thread i'm looking at

so i would say stay tuned i'm sure it's going to be brought up sometime soon

we need some basis to our method maybe dogma isn't the word

jake to me the basis isn't inscribed somewhere in the past it's constantly developing and unfolding from a future oriented perspective

that's my view

so you're constantly refreshing and replenishing your

ideological belief

by having a certain type of active relationship to reality

from a future oriented perspective

as it's actually unfold

you're not looking into the past and looking for some

dogma or even some specific method to just emulate

a on the terms as it was written in the past

we're going to probably get into this because i'm sure this thread is full of kind of bullshit about

well

kimaroog as you took

onn a rando

eurasian marxism see you guys have to

invent all these phrases

and

no neon and ray are not inside the shadow rounm

they continue on their thing

they're in the shadow row

but if they come

and they want to squash beef

can squash beef

there's no grudges

so they're not in the shadow around

there's no grudges against

i don't even guys when i was using neon and rays an example in the past emas painstream it was all jokes and laughs there was nothing serious behind

ok i don't have a grudge against them i don't

what are we using to replenish it that's a more complicated question

i got to get toroug this stretch

is there not something we are continuously developing yes

yes

i

what i would say is that

what are we using to replenish it

i

just to quickly

response that i got because i don' want to leave you hanging

i guess what i would say

so that matter is that

you never

you're never frugal you're always reproducing your position

how i put it

you're always

arriving at the real conditions

of your

position

and what i mean by replenish them is that you're always forcing upon your

position it's real conditions of existence

i guess that's the best way i could put it

so yeah moppinism and

bochinism where does this come

i don't know where this

this one's weird book

anyone want to explain why we're bookionists

and

notice this

would understand

there

ok i don't know

i kind of get what you're trying to say but i wouldn't put it

i would say that

the proletariat

refers to an essence deeper than a specific

a demographic cultural and

geographical demographic

i definitely would agree with that

puletarian

can be abstracted as a deeper essence

every abstraction takes us again

to have a clue deeper and more clarified sense

concrete

so there's also that

you know you rise from the abstract of the concrete

but

since we're living in socialism already

this is going to piss a lot of people off almost everyone's a kind of work

right

so we have to rethink

this

everyone's a kind of work er citizen

know

you're not just a citizen in a modern country

a citizen also implies a certain economic relation

ship

to society i'm talking politically even politically

which you can say is a work

almost similar to how was in the soviet union

so

it's a little tricky

so that i know i know what i say triggers a lot of

we got it needs to be said

like i said guys i'm not going to tell you what you want to hear

i

you know i know infrared is doing extremely well and we're growing so rapidly fast

and

by the way guys

look at the live chat right now

what other stream has this active of a live chat with this amount of viewers

i see streams with hundreds of viewers they don't even have

a diverse and active chat like we have right here

as much as this

so make no mistake in for itce blown up

but

i think

just because we have such a talented cast

of people

hold on

uh okay

one second

so i forgot to send out the

because we have such a talented cast of people

i

i think if we were just parroting shit that these people who hate us want to hear and you know the

the just repeating all communism is a stateless classless society

and all this kind of shit you know if we're just repeating all these platitudes i'm seeing all over you tube

i think we would have already gotten way more views and way more engagement

then we do now

but

if i were to do that and just repeat this kind of

bullshit

i would feel a sickness in my stomach

i wouldn't be able to do it

and my prediction is that in the short term it's going to maybe going to hurt us

in the long term

we're going to explode because you're going to see as time passes these dogmas are not going to

they're not going to pan out

they're not going to be

adequate in addressing

this deeper striving people have to have a

fresh and actually contemporary and relevant understanding of

reality now

the problem with

hazard debating about

ar

really strange

i

this a sex

no

this threat is

revisionist

hederd ok dude

this is really stupid

ok

these are i guess these are the m l m people calling us revisionists

s don't know what this word revisionist means

ok

revisionist means when you say for example

that

a new

event in reality means that

lenin and marx were retrospectively wrong

you know that's what's de sisi about revision

kot ski and them were revisionists because

they used the new developments in history

to liquidate and deny

marx's original discovery not they didn't simply say we need to update marx

which is what lennon did

by the way objectively

was lendon a revisionist

what they did

was say that retrospectively marx was actually wrong and this was proven by the fact that

the workers revolution never happened in that the

there was a rise of the middle class

lenin's actually the one who saved marx's original discovery precisely by being heterodox

ok

and i don't know is this stuff i'm saying skitzo because i think it's pretty clear

crystal clear as day

based forward looking has

have you five year plans

not quite five years no but people are making videos and stuff there are stuff in the work

so the streaming is just one ass

do you have any plans to articulate your positions more clearly in literature yes

yes i

we and you already is

it already is t a matter of how i want to rle

stuff out

because

if you've seen how much people have taken us out of context

you know basically just

lied about what infrared is

and made up all this shit

imagine if i were to put this intor writing

and how people would snip shit out and just discourage anyone from wanting to interact with the writings

like if they could do this with a video imagine what they could do with

writing you know so

we're working on

i

we're working

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dogan is a fed

but this is a meaningless

phrase as you're using

you can call anything an idealist including marx himself

i think you're just using the word idealist to refer to any thinker

that hasn't conformed to your space safe space

a mental safe space

so every everything's just idealist

if they think

they think in a way that you're not comfortable or familiar

i

i actually would agree that in a more qualified and elaborated sense

dougan and heideger are idealists

but so was hagel hagel was also an idealist

that doesn't mean materialists have nothing to learn from them

the reason i think hidegreen dogan our idealist

is because they ultimately do not rise from the abstract to the concrete but infrared does

when we say we learn from heideger

our conclusion from higeger is a type of concrete materialist analysis of polities and states

you look at a state

and you asked the simple question

how is this poliicy reproduced at the level of the people within which

exercises dominion

if you go on our live streams

go on our playlist for live streams

click on

communism stayed in class

you're going to find

that this is a very high to garan type of materialist analysis

but hidegrahimself doesn't go that far

just like cagle did

alfred egar ha

with the capitol h a what a fool

alfred

i'm trying to find his profile picture

someone likele me alfred's profile will review alf

profile will see the

and

we'll see who the fool is

ok

but

he seems to have anguishes yeah

yeah you guys do trigger me

not going to lie

but i'm trying to work on

ok this one's us saying this belongs and i g why de fuck does every random you tubor deserve a threat let alone one that has

less than five hundred subs

you don't realize how fast we're growing is your problem

every single day we're rohm

every single stream we're growing

every single stream we have more viewers and more engagement than the one before

we're growing very fast food you're not going to be able to stop us

ok

you're going to wake up one day and realize infrared is a thing

like it's established and it's out there

everyone who's here is just the first people to

to witnesses

ok

but make no mistake of the fact we're growing you're going to have to reckon with us one way or another

you're not going to be able to stop us

that's what i mean when i say

ok not you left we ok my apologies alfred

infrared

simply cannot be stopped

it's as simple as that we can't be stopped

so we may have

less than five hundred subs but

just wait stay tuned

ok stay tuned

the you come off as a bunch of skitzos trying to drag

nisum

see look guys

when we have five thousand subs

this is the type of guidor start respecting us and start ok i understand now you've

you've won me over now i get it

it's arrogance to just because we have less than five hundred subs in

well you're going to regret it

because we are going to get big

and

i'm not going to forget the people in this thdread who is

talking all these shit

no

because you're going to see when we do get big and established and shit we become a thing

we are going to become a thing

we're going to remember all you arrogant people who

you know

talk look down on us and spit on us and shit on us

because you weren't familiar with

here we go with the skitz so word again

it seems to me that every time i see this word skizo it just means people

who

look at infrared they can't pin us down

they can't categorize us into something you know they can't

put us in a box because we think dialectically

they call it schizophrenia

to all the skitso people want to ask a simple question

simple question

with all the rapid growth in engagement infrared is receiving

are all these a if what we're seeing is just meaningless nonsense

why is it appealing to so many people

and thatt such a rapid pace

if

their skizos and were skizos and were somehow on the same

ines

frequency there's has to be some kind of common meaning being conveyed in establised

there is a common meaning if there's some kind of common thread of meeting

you can't really just call a skit

there is a

method to our madness so

so you need to get more creative

and you also need to get more creative with all of your terms ngism urasianism or callosm

get more creative

because it's not going to last

okay

it's not going to work skitz so and then

i see it's very strange how are we the skitzs when you're the one schizophrenically using all these terms to describe as

den yousumber caalsumderasian

you're throwing out all these terms and making all these a limpic leaps and assumptions

how are we to sketch you so folk and schizophreniic dude

you sound schizophrena trying to just

that's like the definition of schizophrenia too by the way schizophrenias do that

because schizophrenics can't

grab ahold of reality

they have to discreetly

identify all the discontinuities in reality in this contradictory way and it ends up leading to this type of madness

seems like we're driving you crazy

ok because as far as i'm concerned yes need

put it exactly how it is

there is definitely a coherent

random you you were has in the gangst ho pers these reacts

i'm sorry guys i'm sorry for missing the chat honest question why let the haters have so much attention

because we know we have to prove ourselves because we are so fresh off the boat and you know fresh in this

we do have to prove ourselves in the beginning

so we do have to address the haters because

we're coming out of nowhere

and we know the haters their voice is going

prevailed the the loudest

in the beginning

work

it's like um

withre the new kids on the block right so

we're going to have to deal with all these hater

composer elie

got a check mark what's updude

i'm sorry i'm just not familiar with you to the general so i've never seen your channel but i'm definitely going to check it out

and i really appreciate that man the channels

really appreciate

they confuse being skitz so with

newance

yeah it's just some weird thing i don't know

i

ok let's continue

so i don't know how long this shit's going to say we'll probably have to skip some

and

don't forgets i mentioned arahd the other day too so every time i mention a finger

we automatically become disciples of that thinker

so we're not allowed to engage with what lenin called the treasures and wealth of mankind and just

breadth and what's of what's out there

we engage with everyone guy

so

you're going to have to start calling us like

the

infinite itiology we just absorb every

like the glob go gab the lab or some

right

we engage everything

you know there's nothing's off limits for

we draw from we're inspired by we

we discern rationality in the whole of being

is something

i guess the anglo saxon tradition really rejects is this idea of the onens

and the deeper rationality of being as a whole

and it's how everything is really connected

but i guess that's just the dialectical view

it's really hard

they

founder channel when was two hundred sus

appreciate the ma and you see a lot of people see us initially and they see the potential in

we you don't know how much that means to

like i said

we just starting out

no

what is going on with the fuck mean channels amrgs

that guy has four hundred eighty eight k sobs jesus dude

you have no idea how flattering that is

that's incredible that's incredible

that's fucking incredible dude

you have no idea how humbling and how

on

how flattering that is man

because we're just we're just

we're nothing right now you know we're just coming out of this

appreciated man really appreciate

and sorry i never heard of you i just don't know a lot about ninety nin percent of you tubs i don't know anything about

so we're really new to the scene

appreciate that

really appreciate

didn't he say fuck left you pull though

yeah but then i realized that

the guy who originally supported us on twitter

was the main lefty pool account and then i remembered that and i'm thinking you know what

i'm i'm going to give the site a chance because

shout out to that lefty pule twitter account that was so cool of them

they were they were inan o g they helped us from the very beginning you know they were helping us from the very beginning

keep doing what you're doing haw

you bring something way more th theo sthing

bropreciated so much

appreciate those words so you have no idea how encouraging for the morale of us

speaking was i got to invite our other people in here but

i'm going to do in one second

i forgot to send them a zoom invitce

but i

his dreams and reactions this border comedy gold

it' much better than him name dropping lefty pole

ok

i

this guy wants to move it somewhere else

it's like they took every idealist hack mean philosopher

well what do you define as a mean philosopher i think these are very prominent thinkers in the twentieth century

and

and in the twenty first centy

because of landagesia

i guess people mean them mean them but that's just because of how significant popular that is

you got super chat

no i think the whole

donations thing we're probably going to wait until we're like in the hundreds in terms of yours

and

i seriously love your what's up you walk with some man how are you doing

i

lefty poles cool give them a chance they might come off as obnoxious sometimes w they are cool

youy know we're going to give him a chance we're going to give him a chance

because i remember that twitter guy that lefty pole guy he was an ol g from the start you know

so

and not everybody on this website hates us you know i get that

so i'm not going to sit on the website

ok

and plus this is content right isn' this content

we should get hosti to beos it's going to happen i mean it's inevitable

it's like king congvers gotzilla it's just going to happen

ah

agree he brought so much fun to this place

appreciate m

exact

yeah this is the guy this shot out real lefty ple this guy helped us from the very beginning

so we're not going to sit on this website

the sense of direction with idiology and that means it's necessary to be careful absorbing other aspects of other ideology

right

but whether you're

relationship

toward

the ideology is

of the essence the material essence

or if it's based on superficial form is defined by the diversity

of thinkers

and philosophers a able to engage with while preserving that original essence

if you shut yourself off to others

and you shut yourself off from absorbing the good things from other thinkers

you don't have a relation to the essence of thedology that's honest

you have a superficial and purely formalistic one

would you consider debating osh if given the chance

yeah i mean if we have the chance to debate voss we are going to but we're just not going to ask him

you know because

it's like a pride

you know we were not

yeah it will happen eventually like when we grow

they're going to have to start acknowledging

our channels going to grow so a lot of people are going to start acknowledging us that we're going to

for now we're still proving ourselves

but

it's only a matter of time guys it will have

misunderstand fifty percent is but it's ok i know i have patience robert don't worry i'm not

i'm not

not going to be that triggered today

i was a hater at first but came around i thought you guys are definitely interesting

appreciate appreciate hearing that man you're originally a hater you came around

i appreciate and listen for the haters you guys want to come around

and you know

we don't hold grudges

ok we don't hold grudges i just think though that

if you're going to wait until we're like at ten thousand subs

i'm going to weigh your words a little less but

for you guys coming around now i think your words a you're genuine but

people who just look down on us just because we're not established yet

doesn't res not really a good look

but i don't know maybe i'mrong

i

not actually controls that account

i am a controll the twitter

in the sense of i'm the only one logged into

saing

what if the real

you like cox shot no

honestly i'm not that familiar with cockshot i just

don't like the idea this idea that computers solve everything

and because i just think it's kind of a cop up

but

i don't know that much about it

and how is this euro communism

i don't get that i someone needs to explain to me how we're your com

i just

eah in't see you can

pretty good stuff i wish there was big brain to understand

you guys are all smart enough to understand we're coming from you're just not

familiar enough

we're with what we're coming

work

gradually trying to bridge the gap

you know

it's not a matter of like

how smart you

women requil run in the opposite direction thanks

i see no problem i just wanted to stay this tweet yeah dude i have cocky duty's going to be i think he's going to be a regular on this

and he was in our stream on sunday

and that es awesome des based final one on yet dude we were so grateful to have him

i

this is funny

look at those guys

nice

yeah dude there's going to be more of these

goan be more of these

a cockshot is something

yeah i don't know

all these graphics that made up clear

well you probably need to be in the stream

you know like they're not

i'm not creating like paintings that

are for every cont

you know

you his you're getting me to step

up my game mad precate

exactly you walks you walks a rising tide lives all boats

you know

we're all going to rise together with

we're all going to rise together

b your mike is listing out my right dude i'm so sorry i got to fix this yed there's something wrong with my yetty

the problem but i'm going to fix it probably my next stream

um

i see

who supporting

infrared channel in your left

are you laughing in real life th i'm curiously

probably not

here's the let what's alow comp

someone wy as me

and he skiz enough to think he's smart

how come nobody addresses the content of what we say everyone is just like

making superficial observations

i literally the marxis bein haz

twenty

not yet

wait till i'm bald

like when i'm bald i will be

are you familiar with je

jonas mono

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no i'm not i've never heard of the name

but i'll look it up i'll check it out after stream

t's take it out

definitely

see those guys me material

is guy going to become this ok here we go of oh destiny

is that wre i remind you guys of wash and destiny

i

the whole wash it wasn't inspired by the man

it wasn't

i just think people like learn better visually

you know

and i think some people are taking it too seriously to

i think some people taking it too seriously like

so i'm just

being on stream instead of just saying it

i'm just kind of

little bit visualizing

my referencing becoming a skinhead no i'm referencing going balls

which i am going

not referencing coming to skin

like bald where you can't control it right

so i'm talking about

powery typ sros ted dialectics

i don't remember that

he calls eugenicskn

i did not mean to do that

game

i was a triggered i was call everybody

um

nice

i don't know

ok let's see what this guy's to say

we got our first argument guys we go our first arguer gotur first debater

force i never hate you i just find your reaction hilarious

we'm asto here to entertain guys because you you want this to be fun don't we

i don't want to be boring

like if you're going to watch my stream i don't want you guys to be bored

so i'm going to entertain you

o

i'm going to try to entertain you

you know let's have some fun guys were going to be here for a few hours so let's just have some fuck and fun who cares

that being said i think i disagree with you is that message so son is already here

well we're probably go have to get to it you know we're going have to get to it later

but

for now we're just going to briefly stry to sound like halfway through

going to try to skim this

i

ok let's see our first arguer

this is an open shut case of projection

okay so

american people who buy into american psychology always use the word projection

because every time someone says anything negative or critical to them

the first thing that goes on in their head is

whm how could they turn o the around and apply that to you

so they just use the word projection

and it's a really lazy way of

approaching any

your idiology hasn't accomplished anyth

we never put forward an idiology

nothing about infrared is established

we're just

putting things out there

for you guys to think about and entertain

that haven't been put out

we're not saying you have to listen to us because of our authority

if we were saying that you're right we would be being hypocritical

but the problem is that

we're just

introducing new ideas and people are trying to shut us down

and be dogmatic

and i'm just asking the question what right do you have to do that

we're not being dogmatic

we're not being dogmated

you're right we don't have the right to be dogmatic either we haven't accomplished anything either

i'm just trying to ask the question

what gives you the right to treat us as pathologically dogmatic as you do

because it seems like you're just dismissing everything we say

not because of its actual content

but because it's just not mainstream or orthodox

but my question is

what is the actual basis of your orthodoxy

because in the west you've done fucking nothing you've accomplished falking nothing

so you're in the same boat as us actually

we already know we haven't accomplished anything so what you need to do is go from to go from scratch

and think about what marxism actually is

because you can't take it for granted

if you lived in china you could take some things for granted about it

because it's actually reflected in the real experience and historical reality

concrete reality in the country within which you live

it's not true in the west

you're in the same boat as us skizos here in infrared

that's all we've been i ever been trying to say

we've never been trying to put forward some new

dogmre authority

you have to listen to

based on the merits of what

i mean when have i ever appealed to authority and said

you're a

you're not a true marxist

if you don't

follow the specific dogma

every time we've mentioned what marxism is or what you know leninism is

always been in this non dogmatic

and

it's always been in a way that doesn't appeal to authority but actually tries to

rationally you know

explains what in irrationally and

conceivable way

i

that clips hoses describing a dialect toing away

yeah

think you too just promotes means

cover up actual political education i'm not too worried about you

you know

i'm not worried about that algo whatsoever

algo is not something i'm worried

i

yeah so it's

like that

i think we are going to grow nothing can stop

not even you

you you could you could ban

but shadow banning us i don't think is going to do the trick

actually don't

really thinks that al goo is all that

imortan

in my words

but i think our growth is coming from a more targeted

level

we're getting the audience we want

if we wanted audiences we don't want

one

proud

row

but we probably get like ninety percent dislike

so we get the audience we

has are you american yes

and ok

you have a duty obligation to give you the benefit of the doubt

who do i give to the benefit the doubt

the answer is everybody not just these but everybody

and if they don't give the benefit of the doubt

anyone who is mildly skeptical from them to an actual

from an actual lexing perspective

well if you're talking about us what you're talking about is

mild skepticism is just repeating and rehashing things

that other people have said before

so you're just repeating things that you've heard elsewhere

that's what that's the source of the frustration

but you're actually wrong we do give everyone the benefit of the doubt and we try to calmly

explain it to them

when they're in our chat

it's just that when you're in our comments and we tell you to come on live

in our chapter come to bate us

because we don't have time

that's when we're getting angry

ok

i

what about these guys actually left wing other than choosing to flabor as

well we would consider ourselves left wing but we consider the established left and the established

meaningless bas

in america

but we do consider ourselves left

what about us is left wing

mean

what about what is left wing about left wing what's the origins of the left

tred to explain that this in an earlier stream

was the actual origins of the left itself

i think at the essential level we are left

wing

because

i

our relationship to history

majornity

at least thatb strackly in terms of our position

is that we recognize

the inevitability of the kind of

modern political apocalypse that awaits

each and every con

i guess that's a really strange way of putting it

als so

i

saying americans try to apply m was skipping steps under setting material condssions

understanding on his deeper intuitive and even sensual level yes based

you know

i

they try to apply ml

was

skipping what others are able to take for granted on this deeper intuitive and unconscious level

has he commented on historical materialism

dude i've said i've studied marks for over ten years

i don't think you don't think i have a billion different things to say about historical materialism i do

i just think that you

your dogma of historic materism anglo dogma was wrong

historical materialism is not an application of anglo saxon metaphysics

angles by the way was specific

in his rejection of anglo saxon metap

marx was very specific about calling empiricism

this collection of dead facts

i just think you're abusing these terms

and you're using it in a way

to convey a meaning that was not common to marks and angles and lenins and stalins and mouss me

that's all i'm saying

sounds like he doesn't agree with it why don't i agree with let's see

since he's diagnosing the less problem in the west as dogmatic ediology

who's the left

the marxist left yes

yes the marx is let yes

marxism ultimately is based on

some type of reflexive relationship to historical tradition

that's true

that that is true

but as far as the actual objective

type of

class struggle

i wouldn't say

i don't think

that has really been a problem in the west i think in each

period historically in the west there's a very clear

a class struggle that does go on

in the thirties you had hughe long

a new deal not even just a new deal with people like hughi long and

all this kinds of stuff jimmy hoffer and

fifty

so

the issue isn't with the material class truggle the issue is with yes the marxist

and by the way this is a distinction drawn by lennon

lennin pointed out that while the class struggle may be objective

this reflexive aspect is up to contestion

he said

lenin used the example of how catholic ediologists

what we're winning over

marxist and somewhere in some european country i can pull up the exact quote

if you really want

want to challenge me

i

yeah it is an issue of

yeat it is ultimately an issue of how they're using their head

in their heart

i don't see what so idealist about

rather than anything material

and what is he going to call material atamization a meaningless catchword

a and nothing new by the way a meaningless catchword that's more about

punk rock engst teen existentialism or

arity

another thing that isn't really new whatsoever

getting in the way of workers power

another ideological phrase

whose concrete correllate i have yet

anyone to show me what that means in the contemporary context

what does workers power actually mean

today

don't give me a doctrinal or theoretical or abstract meaning of that word

because in marx and lennin's time

if you ask them what workers power is they show you an example in real life

they'd show you an example of a real working class movement

you're using this word and it's an ediological phrase show me what that means

so don't just use phrases because you've heard them before

show don't use pret idiological projections in the future

show me what that means concretely

all we do is deal with concrete reality dude

why do you think we talk about jimmy dore

why do you think we talk about all these people who have seemingly nothing to do with marxism

because we understand they have a material significance

but your phrases like workers power don't

ok medicare for all and force the vote

those do have a material significance

workers power doesn't it's a phrase

and the thing that marx angles and lenon hated the most

were phrase mongers

what they would call

oh

let's continue a looks like a new argument here

should listen to my brand new ideology

what's so brd i'm challenging you i'm calling your bluff what's so brand new about it just because you're not familiar with it

i'm saying this is the same old marxism leninism

expressed from the

perspective

translated into the perspective of

the western mind

and we are aware that we are engaging

west

my

we're not denying that

we live in

most of us i think live in the west

so

i'm calling your bluff

why do you think that

your terms of familiarity

defines the thing itself i think you can

it's more than

a possibility that

you just aren't adequately familiar with what marxism is

and you're holding on to some narrow view

that you actually can't justify when i take you to the bank in back about

ok

the

that hasn't accomplished anything

well we never actually established it as a brand new ideology that you should

respect based on authority

you're the one doing that

you're the one saying that based on some authority i should respect your bullshit

that means fucking nothing

we're not saying that we're saying that based on the merits of the actual content of what we're saying

you should maybe there's something some meaning we're trying to convey but it's based on the content of what we're saying

not based on the authoritative or legitimate form

so there's a big difference here

ok

and also if you disagree with me you're an idiot

well what why don't you focus on the contents of these disagreements because in that other thread yes

people were saeing extremely stupid shit

extremely stupid shit that does make them an idiot

is it because they disagree with me that they're stupid

or is it because of what they were saying specifically

well i proved in that previous dream that it was because of what they were saying specifically

just like i'm doing with you now

this is an open and shut case of protection

basic

ok but

you look like an idiot is what's basically happened

he says that western amuns have an accoplished anything butn he boses a brand new me mediology

i haven't bruised anything of that sort

that's why he says in the west

dude did you watch or video what infrared is all about

when you're making these lofty claims about us

it sounds like you've done a lot of research about

right

because if you're going to make these big claims out infrared

i'm sure you did the research about it

right

no it sounds like you're just talking out of your fucking ass

and you're saying

that this is some kind of scandal we're trying to hush up

rather than the entire basis of our thesis

that in the west everything's fucked up

we know it's popular

in russia and china

we know thatn the mage for the world's majority

marxism has a meaning that's different in the west

we not only do we know this we've premised our entire position

based on this fucking fact

that's exactly what we've been trying to interrogate

and lay flat and explain to you

why it is

that in the west you fail and why it is in those countries

marxists have succeeded

and

i'm saying that all the excuses i've been hearing about the imperial courps and all this stuff is a bunch of fucky excuses

and i'm going to

i'm going to get to that

watching has get triggered

mancy i really did a good

job of distorting the left

yeah dude it's just this arrogance

crazy

the references feel more new left in ml

i don't know the new left also draws a lot from the frankfort

school people markus and those type of people

and

markusa is not someone you're going to find

that has in a very favorable light at least by me

so

i don't know if i would agree with the new level

but i definitely would agree that it is something new

parative

ore unions dead forever in the west

i don't think you caln say anything's

dead forever but i definitely think they don't have the same role that they did in

nineteenth and early twenties s

got to go do you organized stream

i was

six

i

iris i think you just watched our pass stream

you want to know more about the soc

we've kind of covered it extend

if we get more eight more likes we

spen you bas the sixty by next streem

how much likes we have now crazy

raise

i

he did hideg mark yeah i don't agree with mark wos hidegerian mark

i don't like that

and

so we're definitely not coming from that

a

let's see

di gusy should come back when he organizes a party

ok

here's a common trooke that you are going to encounter you the chat

go explain this to you

when you're a leftist and you're doaling with anything in america

or bricks

and i can't speak for the rest

european

these countries

main ethical and

aesthetic foundation

is protestant

and according to the protestant aesthetic

pain equals virtue

right

suffering is some kind of virtue or something virtuous and good about suffer

when this guy's telling me to go organize a party what he's really saying is

you go

give me a pound of flesh

you know you go suffer somehow for no reason even though i won't get anywhere

and i'll respect you more because

you just experienced more pain and suffering even though it didn't get anywere

and leftists you're going to find brag all the time and boast about how much organizing they do and how much party stuff they

they get into

even though they know it doesn't get them

anywhere

somehow that they get clouds from that fact

i

because of how much they suffer

just because of how much they suffer i think that's a very uniquely western

maybe

anglo thing

but on

that's something you're going to encounter

i have yet to see why i should

organize a party i'm not even so sure that it's our job to organize a party

i think parties in this day and age are more like corporations

and i don't think you can create them from scratch

i think america already does have a communist party the c pusa

and the question i've been trying to interrogate

ask is

can americans

do something with the c pu say i don't have shity politics

but the organizational infrastructure that's

place in the tradition history

i'm very skceeptical of this idea of creating parties

right

i don't think parties are the

the most advanced form of work

i don't even know organizations the good word organization

digital age

my views on this are very neuanceed

we actually wrote something if you go on our twitter

go read what we wrote

for this russian website promat

and will i discuss specifically

this the party question

very brief

but

we our view you know i don't i think

your view about you know

party you're taking lit for granted

until his mean mediology

i don't know why you're saying we have a mean mediology all we've said is re marxist leninist

we've also said things that

marxist len this in the west

just don't understand and aren familiar with

i don't see how this makes us having a me meteology

you know this idea guys that were

you're trying to define us as the problem you're trying to define us based on the thinkers we learn from and draw from

but i can literally name you a million thinkers

that we learn and draw from

and you're trying to define this is some kind of finite series of

what is the discreet

origin of

all we've defined ourselves discreetly eyes as marxist lenist

do we learn from and read everyone

yes we do

everyone who has anything interesting to say

whatsoever

we're going to give them attention

does that mean those people

define us and that we're jugns

a

landian

zizekian

you know you don't have to add all the we're just marsas leninis who

who can actually distinguish this subjective theory stuff

from marxism leninism as an index of objective historical achievement

so that's whathy we're very simply marxist lendon

well western mls

obsessive with purity neogy martyindom rather revolution

yeah exactly

that's so true

so true

i

is even more disconnected from the material reality of the workers movement

which workers

can you show me the workers move what you mean by that because i think you're just using phrase just like this phrase workers power

i think you're just using some shit you pulled out of your ass

and you want to pretend exists is a form of posturing

but you're not actually referring to anything concrete

go walked up to someone on the fuck and street and talm about the workers mo we doll know the fuck you're talking about

only when they're initiated in your specific click

your idiological click

do all these words acquire meaning

on an intuitive everyday street level layman's level

this doesn't mean anything

i don't know what this is supposed to mean

and you keep using the word material reality

i think what you mean by material

it's just something you're trying to give an accent and emphasis on

i don't think you have any notion of what materialism or material actually means or what it refers

then the dogmatic mos he criticized because at least some point historically mos work

as opposed

so if you work and produce nothing

why is that something i should respect

i mean i don't understand his bomb abstract contemplation

it's not just an abstract contemplation

we're infrared we're live right here we're talking to a an audience of

over fifty people

and there's a whole thread dedicateds that you know it's like we are doing things

in terms of the realm of communication and information

so no i'm not just taking bong rips and abstract

con

play

i'm not saying this is practices but

putting information out there yeah information

is information real i don't know

like christianity for example it says stuff like love equality nonviolence

yeah

yeah very it's all connect

to

allk and

not an ex

got the dislike that's a

i expected we have way more to

and

yeah

they actually work

but to what

to what end

and by the way i'm not saying the criterion of that is having to actually

choire power

even though there's probably no excuse for not being able to do that either

but the fact that marxist leniniss in the west have failed so abyssimally

to

establish themselves at least as some type of

special interest crime

some type of identifiable

movement

that's really the issue we're dealing

there is no communist movement and never has been

almost never had maybe in the thirties or something

can argue

but following world war two

i

you're not really dealing with a popular movement

ok

you can sustain a popular movement without actually

acquiring power

my issue is the issue that there hasn't even been a popular movement in the west

do you have a new prescription for workers power is trying to refresh to this

i just want pe to rethink what they mean by all these words i want people to go back to marxis

original dealings with hegel

think about why did marxs break from hagel

in

give the proletariat the significance he did

because by the way guys marx is the one who gave the proletariat the significance

the universal class

for hegel it was the civil servants who was the univers

so i just want people to not take things for grantedy

you know

left people altars a seating have

dislikes

i'm sure they're seething but

can they really you know i'm being a little bit more composed and serious because i understand

a lot of people don't don't get what i'm just trying to have fun

ah and they don't and they think that oh so you know

he's he's a schizo

well i think i'm pretty normal right now and

i don't know is anything i'm saying really crazy guys

i

don't make me dislike i love the channel but your expectations are driving me

but what should my expectations

dealing with

thread ok i should i should wrap this up i should

i't get a move

what makes a movement popular

kasan

a movement is popular when the barrier to entry does not require

education

think it's a really good

when the barrier to entry doesn't

require education which means

someone could just look at that movement and be like i'm with it i'm with them identify with them

that's what hugo chaves could do

right

in venezuela that's what bernie could do

at one point

you could

the barrier to entry doesn't require any type of theory whatsoever

that's a really

important qualifier for what makes a

popular my

barrier to entry that's the one

you tube in liken left channels

don't make

oh yeah

seem quite composed and calm today

yeah yeah

yeah because i you know

people i guess need to see that

need to know thes one i'm just trying to have some fun

and just you know not taking it too seriously and when i'm trying to be serious right now'm a little more serious and calm

i

interviewed

he i didn't interview final or not as we interviewed fin not

ok i was just there

ok

when an article written by him in the new york times

i

our group

our video was linked in that article in the new york times go on to twitter and look at the new york times linked our article

i

yet

and also did a live stream of

katia kazbek

that also was not me i didn't set that up or lead that interview

i was just there

i'm just the guy screaming

ok don't reduce our whole collect

all being under one hundred five hundred sub

that's strange and suspicious wise it suspicious

i

has and his collaboratorves are the closest

we're a lot more coherent than these guys on a bad day somehow i doubt that but i'm not familiar with your website so maybe you're right

there are multiple key comers who post here and have been for years ok

guys i want you guus to remind you something

i didn't find left pyoole left poole found us

i never heard of this website before so

i don't know what you're trying to say

you i've never heard of any of you

here here is this thread

about us on your website

so that sounds like something you've got to make peace

de

left to pose the shil dominated by western ultras

seems like we have some defenders on there so i don't know

housing his collaborative

oh fuck off we are way better than this garbage

here's a difference i think you need understand this

you're only as good

as the youtube contant creator out there finally someone who you think represents you

who's putting themselves out there in reality

because you can' just bluff and say i'm better than all reality because i'm not putting myself out there

you're only as good

as whevers putting themselves out there for you

so you show me

who you like on you tube or on some other website

and i'll judge you accordingly based on that

but if you're just going to be on this dark website

and you're going to be anonymous

and you're not putting yourself out there in any way

you're you're what you're saying is meaningless because you're only as good as what's out there

what's actually out there infrared is actually out there

ok

this is a profoundly materialis point

actually

believe it or not

this is a profoundly materialist point

you were just like this is the whole point mark said with hagel

fro mark said to hegle you're only as good as what reality actually is itself

you can you can have this abstract philosophical position

in your comfy hate hegl pajamas

but you're only as good as what the actual reality is

and the same thing is true

for the world of media and the world of culture in the world of representation

when you're an anonymous

string of words

you're actually only as good as some representation

that's actually putting itself out there in reality

so show me what you are

show me what you're made up

and then i'll see

i'll judge your words and judge whether you're better than me

because i highly doubt you are better than

i really doubt you're better than i

feel like a lot of other mean

giz soo's on ironically dius got yeah seems like a lot of people do like us

our feedback is overwhelmingly positive

so what does that make you

our feedback is overwhelmingly positive

we geve very very few hatred

ok

we have very few haters

too embarrassed n it possibly has himseelf is actually behind some the skidzo post

here' is a lurker

no i've never posted on left

and i i don't want

and the reason i don't want to ok if i ever post on this

website

i'm not going to do an anonyous anonymous

but no n no i can't say that

because somebody is going to

just do it themselves and pretend to be me

so that's why i'm never going to do it at

i i i hope no one in our group does it i don't think anyone in our group does it

but in general we were not going to post

website and the reason is because there's no way to confirm whether it's us or not

otherwise i think

i would

all fuck off

has is it molded after our collective image more like molded after the collecti image of all our schizoposters combined

but seems to be like the most interesting people on the website

i guess that's a

compliments

base

think comes off as an ashole

wash energy but more on nds do i have wash energy i don't know

thisally yes

but we must consider

yeah

du again

you try to define anything by this kind of mishmash of discreet terms where does it begin and then

every single one of these words

you're using to describe as doo goiness

hidi garion all this stuff

you can break those down into branches of schizophrena mishmash

so where does it begin and end

interesting question

don't i don't use that

nice you can get a trip go to le

f firm you ok i have to talk about the guy on

twitter

that's in

can use a chip cade basically a pass

ok we might do that but i'm not i'll send it up on stream sometime

for now we're not going to do it

next stream i'm going to set it up live so you guys can all see

and we'll we'll try to like verify ourselves on the web

leave left people embrace monkey

i don't know i think the community gave us attentsion

and a lot of people seem to like us and are given us a chance

so

you know

i'm going to give left you pole a chance

is has a burger

yes

i want amer

is pretty good

he's deviated so far from marx i'm calling you bluff i don't think we deviated from marx

whatsoever

i don't think i've deviated from marks whatsoever my whole the whole reason i have the

schizophrenia positions i do

zad remains so faithful to mark

and marx's original discovery

that it's brought me to this position

otherwise you're going to end up with

contradiction

really fatal contradictions tomorrow

mark

and i don't believe those conflicts

apply to marx marxism because marx himself

established the very method by which those contradictions can be

understood

as part of his dialect

you think western lefts misused theclonal theory

yes they do misuse fund on a lot

so should a principal lefts embrace intersectionality kick ot in reaction is a moment

interesting question i say no to the intersectionality

and i say no to kicking people out

unless the're being

personally abusive

but i don't know what movement you're referring

the question

i think it's more that people are fascinaated intrigued

hard to parse with saying a time

that's fine

but why are you saying we deviate from mark

if you yourself admit that you can't parse what we're seeing

f you try to sit on a senate it's kind of nonsensical but whose fault is that is that my fault or your fault

we try to help everyone

you know don't knock on an open door i think this is your

foster stick to a train of thought better

yes because wash sticks to axiomatic anglo thinking

i already told you we're coming from a dialectical perspective

so we don't share of osh's method

which is

anglo saxon axiomatic

idealism

we don't share that mesthod

ok

we don't share systemical you know

analytical philosophy

and we try who sress the premise up ok here's my position equals bequals you know

this is why voss defends child pornography and shit

and it's also why destiny has a bunch of stupid retarded positions

because they begin with some kind of systemic premise

and they let that take them to all sorts of stupid conclusions and directions

because they

they're in this kind of analytical philosophy

dogmatic systemic computer

non human type of way of think

it's the complete opposite of us you know

this he's a traitor to this considering his pathological say against the anglos

no it's not because both

and england and america

have the capacity to break the anglo curse

ok so it's not hypocritical at all

i want to break the anglo curse in america

and i wish english people the best of luck toing

some of the most prominent in anglos like nick land i think are closer to breaking the anglo curse

then people like the

who's that guy who's working with jeremy corbynt

forgot his

kind of like politically correct guy even though like nick land is such a racist you know eugenis whatever

he's even closer to breaking the anglo curse

and a lot of lit

lefty liberal

thank

bernie used caleb slogan

reaction is a dead word like fast i think so too no more livess kind of my view

um that's kind of my

he walks on his lay with me and nosbll because i had a few friends on line that are not wok i don't know what all that drama

you know i

i try not i don't think we want to get weove

i

the spokesman leader tr to be such an autistic unit

well it's either that i'm schizophreniic or autist

can't be both

yeshe can be both

you got to be one of the other

if you're autistic kind of means in the internet vocabuliary means like

osh

or desk

your very systemical

and i

formalist

and to this obsessive degree

where schizophrenia means you're the opposite of

all over the

so

choose one right

i'm feeling they are that they are all

all of us

where where did you get this from

oh

ok

your feeling is in

has is the idological mass run behind infrared i think you're

overthink

i

infrad only exists because we all have

common understanding of what it is

what it's pur

you created the idiogy infredism no i didn't do

and by the way infrared is just the the name of our channel

there's no such thing as infraredism

this just the name of our channel

and there's a lot of unique ideas that have been incubating for many years

that are for the first time being given expression

through this channel through this handle

but i don't see how that's called infrared is

and the other guys are more or less his

disciples

well

wrong

infrad would not be possible dude if we had this structure

ok

this is not this

there is no structure like this

it's way more free form

and it's way more

organic than you're trying to make it seem like

i have no idea of you

compare his stick to wash or destiny yeah i don't know

here we go the frogs what is actually wrong with positivism why is it a get such a bad rat

well positivism ha his right the angle curses distment to the left

yes speaking a positive is

positives is a word people use as a catch all for anglo saxon things

there's now you have post positivism you have analytical philosophy in the twentieth century

but in general

the problem with positivism

i think

the main critique

is opened up

in two ways

well i don't know

you know in the in you had before hig deger you had the rise of neo contianism

spinosaism

spinoism

positivism they're all kind of intersecting they're all kind of together i would bunch all those up together

i don't so i don't know

positivism

my issue is that those who consider positivism to be the only way of thinking everything else is schizo

mamy

limits

thought

wonder i'm supposed to stand

who are what's

fort

culture is something a static

i just think uh

ok whole transgender so i do want to get too much into this but

thel b t st the transgender stuff guys i think at a certain point you've got to realize who's the problem

if you're

making this big fuss over transgender people and biology i think you're the problem

right

i mean why

make assumption

by the way

western culture but

pre modern

pre western cultures were way more fluid

and way less rigid about the modern gender style

so have an open mind you don't have to co you know attack all this stuff

because

you know even in the especially even the islamic society

very much way more fluid than you could possibly imagine

ok

i'm not really fazed by this kind of

yeah i don't think the i don't

if anything i could come at it from the other perspective my problem with

that the

b t is not that they're too deviant from heterosexuality

but that they are too rigid and try to trying to create like a million different categories and shit

when from a non western perspective

you don't even have to say that

right

you know you could just be like

yeah you don't have to like categorize every fucking thing right

there is no heterosexual

rigid straw man

to

subvert in the first place

isn't

i guess what i'm trying to say

i yeah that's i guess that's my position

that heink it's all of our position

literally every hard science

no it doesn't

no if you saying every hard science assumes vulgar of positivism you're knocking on an open door

ok

no hard science says nothing about the issues for example

this is a basic contient position

but hard science says a great deal about

thing a sorry

hard science confines itself to something specific

doesn't say

anything about

a lot of others

but

positivism tries to do that

that's why it's vulgar

okay

hard science like engineering isn't going to tell you anything about dociles

ok

well okay that's a lot

it might

but not in the you know

not in the way i'm trying to say it

ah

you ok

being outside of positivism is fully compatible

with

modern with the achievements of modern

even though i reject modern science

dog

it's fully compatible the achievements of modern science

you're knocking on an open door when you're saying it's

also i read history of

theoriy

then you study more though yeah we on need to study

that's correct in all sizes did not have a western perspecti and sexual infamily exact

primat any l bt was man

yeah i mean its just way different you know it's just

whole wok or intersectionscustion seems like a semantic mindful

and we

and you watch channel we had a lot to say about that

or i did on i was the only one

i'm the joker baby i'm joker pilled yes dutollly invented ne ideology

yeah

i am joking phil

m

waiting for the drop to evola pill were you won't because i don't like i'm not a big fan of evola i haven't

maybe i i should study him i don't

i've never been that

he's talking about katia and

fine

both

great people

we

okay

i'm not going to go through everything

how far ok

debate you guys are having

what is this

m

neon dude

ne yor

come on

m

what do you guys think about this

what do you guys think about

you know what triggers me

i'm fine with this image this image doesn't trigger me

this one triggers me

i'm fine with this one

this is like this is what i'm fo honing in on

eagle eye view

dude fuck off with the skitzer

accusation

ok i just explain why but

we can keep this

ok we'll keep

i

good job

nw a cave man

on why do i have mantate

ok

m

kind of wish we had other members yes speak of the devil

oh my god ok you guys i'm going to invite them and be right back

mm

so i'm going to send an invite link and be right back

one second

i'm still here i'm just getting the link

copy invitelingk

ah ok

all right i send the link

sorry

hiing was

callg to you will beitch on the internet

is fucking gay as hell

el el mayo bitch you're doing all right just cut the dugan and turn it down a notch

or to your buddy

depends on my boot

say

depends on my mood

and a lot of there's a lot of bitch made behavior i've been seeing on

let's

from last

some' going to say what is

is this a supporter an enemy let's see

he clear ok this is a porter

shot out this o g do this one of the first people to come in

see this why we're given lefty pool a chance

shot out this dude you know

yeah i do this our defender

here's the here's the base

section

here's the base section

features the

with like yeah you' calling everyone a skit so who just doesn't buy into your attempt

to

you know dismiss us

events if you call everyone a skitzo

what does that make you

food for thought if you call everybody a skizo

what is that if you call so many people schizos

and we all get something and you're not able to get it

what does that make you

food for thought

infrad actually created a network

what fucking infrastructure they just make videos and pow them to you yeah but there's a lot of behind the scenes shit that goes into

something to bear in mind

only one user

a certain flag to poster me se if they get the link

i

what fucking infrastructure

i'm not sure if you're aware the fact be gintning three opifm

yeah dude and there's like twelve of us so imagine how much how long that took

and how hard it was to have this you know

we've been together a long time

yeah

this guy's right this guy's really smart

do this guy

is laughing

but i

you want to ok

this dude shared these picks of the laughing enemy

but i promise you's looking at a stream screen like this

that's what he's doing like

he wants to make it seem like he's like

you know what i'm saying

what you guys think

yes think so or what

i'm pretty sure it's how it is

he called but real trash though

that didn't

comments on that

and this is our poll

oh wait no

thought he went to pool

and

exactly do the autism

tension is good you have no mind for publicity

he has angry issues but he actually gets mad at people who say retarded shit

true

but i've learned i realize guys you know i was thinking aren't most western leftist atheists or

agnostic

why they so dogmatic then

i think that's the exact reason

a composer really i think that's actually the exact reason is because

for them there's a big barrier to entry to leaving

the christian religion

and

for them

but most of the time atheism or agnosticism means

anglo saxon metaphysical

perces a

you know and

science modern science

so they become very violently

defensive about

because that's the kind of

linchpin of their entire coherent world of being

let me just

uh

that's their entire like

that's what separates them from like madness you know

haziki is a dumbn

th

to

a

we must give us the power of the community

composerly lots of cope

marxist scripture worst of all

it's not really marx

either it's some type of anglo saxon

modern science you know

because that's why you know it's not just marxist

destiny and vos are the same way as these dogmatic marxis

so called marxists the same mentality

oll fu

henry's your guys sver once they had a henry

ok

ma'am

senary gus

religion has been obliterated norder countries

yeah dude i don't e i don't i never think religions ever a blue it always stays on consciously read marxs jewish question religion actually never

disappears even when the people call themselves atheist and secular and all this shit

to hide a more fundamental metaphysical

committe

ultimately can be

understood in a root from a religious point of view

a pattern

even soviet union

was atheist

could still tell

a it was orthodox

orthodox christianity was like the spiritual

subs

communism in the soviet union

o

hostumes are extremely entertaining

yeah we want to keep it that way to saturday we're going to have a lit as fucking stream

today's stream is a little bit more serious on you know

several issues you know we

today's stream i'm a little more calm and my energy is more zen

saturday we have a lit is fox stream saturday we have some fun

ok

trust well have fun

thany guy

cause what do you think of this picture

what do you think henry what does this mean

were you can see

s is our issue with us

it starts you with our set up right now we've got to fix our set up

you know

h i want to fix it so that

we're not just in the corner like this we're bigger

because this looks terrible right now

h we'll figure it out

s

yeah

i disagree with the u s r in hoaxes that that it's complicated

a

i don't know what to think about this picture i don't know there's a deeper meaning behind it

what about this

what am i supposed to think

what am i supposed to think about

is not just like the broad picture about any content

or the mean

why is everybody saying has for zander

there seem to be based in reread pilled

nice

but we're not bred to

they don't like cybernetics no this is wrong

i don't like cybernetics

as this ultimate absolute metaphysical stance like ho nick lan does and how some positive is due

i don't have a problem with cybernetics as long as you recognize it to be

m

yeat relative

that makes sense

like a relative science

otherwise we're down for the cyber nets

o

we just don't consider cybernetics to be

metaphysically i'm against oyer

about how

things be a frog drink

hoe

frauds come

enemy was a mistakey

how are these ideas any different from those of the dsa

dude if you watch those clips and you're tell me this is the d sa

what the fuck are you talking about dude we're already beyond that

already so beyond that

we're already so beyond this view of western s you just don't you're not familiar with us you wouldn't be saying this to

sending sam why do

look at our channel read our channel

you wouldt be saying this dumb shit

shitting on marxism lenism we didn't shit on marxism lenism we shod on western marxist leninist

god damn it

especially when you acknowledge that china has done

how can you allege the left is dogmatic

because you are not the same as the asian left

and hanging up portraits of mao isn't dogmatic

because mao's a fucking national hero and actually has a concrete meaning in that country

so it's not dogmatic

because mau has a real concrete meaning in that country

when you fuck and do it you just look stupid

how about that

there are still large pictures of stalin in china

it isn't some fusion of hydeger or cot ski

why are you mentioning d ski no one brought kotski up

as for heideger

believe it or not

philosophers in china are engaging with high

but if you want to think about the layman who's a committed to the chinese communist party

they don't need high degree

because they're not facing the crisis we do here in the west

so it's as simple as that

and no this is not dogmatism

ok

fanaticism is the the word you're looking for and i don't even agree with that

but there're different things

and calling china dogmatic is the stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard

how are you going to call china dogmatic

do you know anything what the history of china for the past thirty years forty years

you really want to go down that road and call them dogmatic

that's a first for me

i thought they were revisionists

oh

jesus

sitting on my yeah

we also claim to you is because we are a

is the difference in criticizing mentality of other marxism monealst

trying to create crucifxion which on

yeah we're not doing that

hos doesn't give a fuck wt engaging with people who don't share his views

dude i bet you most of this chat doesn't agree with a lot of things we say so you're wrong

okay

what is this

smog picture

i'd probably agree with hmt a lot of things but his energy is to manic from

well because you need to get off of your fucking blanket in the corner in the shadows

and

come see the light of fucking day dude

we got to be in this shit we got a rise guys is twenty twenty one

we got to have some man in fuck and energy you kidding me guys is twenty twenty one

no more land in the blankets in your little comfy blankets my little tendees and my chokney milk

the fuck up dude we' got a rise we got a grow

you have this positive mentality go outside to run a few laps

get that energy flowing be manic

we needed

we need it guys

we fuck and needed more than anything we needed

feels like i'm being trapped in a corner room at a party and can't get out because you can't get out this is reality you cannot get out

you get with the fucking program get that energy go and move that energy

because no one stopping for you time is passing you by it's twenty twenty one

dropped the bull she dropped the postu and dropp the

the now i'm going to be in my little corner with the blanke in the chilcate no this is not a comfy stream i'm not going to make you feel good i'm not going to make you feel cozy i tell you sh you don't want to hear i'm going to tell you shit

it's going to make you feel bad but it's going to make you feel best go to toughen you up so you go outside you run ten miles

non stop

and you get that power and energy

you know what i'm saying

exact

ok

maybe i'm just getting old

there's no dude there's a guy who's ninety three nine years old he still works out

he still lives weight

but i realize people can blow hot and i gets a reaction

i listen to what he said complaining about weternls making excuse for not carrying oup

thse because we live in the imperial court yet a phrase that everyone seems to fuck and use

as an excuse

well yes well no it's a fuckan excuse

is revolution the product of subjective factors or of subjective

listen to this fucking guy you're making two wrong assumptions

you arrogant asshole you' making to wrong fucking assumption

the first wrong assumption you're making

is that i'm saying

the whole point

is about com carrying out a successful revolution

that wasn't the fuckin

standard i've been holding them up to

i held them up to the standard to establishing a real movement

with millions and millions of people in it

at least that that's my fucking standard

i didn't say anything about a revolution

but let's go with that

did i say it's a product of subjective factors

no because like i said there has been an objective class struggle

at every

part of american history

you just overlooked it and fucking ignored it because you're arrogant

just like with this trump thing you're throwing idiological labels in terms

because you want to ignore there's an objective populistic momentum today that's why you shit on people like fuck and jimmy dor that's why it's overlooking you everything passes you by it's right in front of your fucking nose and you ignore it out of fuck and arrogance

i'm not saying it's the product of subjective factors

this is a non problem already addressed by lenin

you are unable to make the distinction between the fact

that subjectively

we marxist lends can only establish and prove

our relationship to the material necessity

proletarian consciousnes in the proletarian movement

through marx the subjectivity

marx lennon already pointed it out he was very fuck and clear about it

ok

very fuck and clear about it

so

this is a non this is a stupid bullshit that confuses the basic paradox of freedom and necessity

non problem whatsoever

dumb bullshit lenon already addressed but you call yourself an m l and you're still making this confusion between subjective factors

and objective historical forces

not recognizing as lendon pointed out

that this is mediated

by this

and that different elements can preponderate the terms of the prolitarate what then called the proletarian movement

you don't know this basic leninism one to one

and you dare

have this fuck arrogant face towards us you fock and more on

or is it both

it is both

it's both that's dialectics it's both

and there's not even a real distinction

in the first place so to speak

these are one in the same reality

ok

but no i never said it was just subjective fact

because i never said that there was a problem with the objectivity the objectivity is fine the body is fine the material contradictions

all that stuff is fine

the precise problem is an issue of idiology and subjectivity and dogmatism

and maybe it was necessary in the past

but in so far as infrared is coming out here and making a statement

it's not necessary anymore

that's the whole fucking point of our position

it's not necessary anymre

maybe in the past it was materially necessary that everyone was a fucking idiot in america

and didn't know how to make sense of the reality

but now we can't make that excuse

that's what infrared is all about

if you lived in the s in the twentieth century the country was apart

from beef to it

on the rise in the world

that's not an excuse there was an objective class struggle

going on even in

even while the united states was on the rise

there's never an excuse

for communists not to be able to win in germany

over the discontented

democratic pettit burgisi a k the populistic majority

doesn't matter how on the rise your country is

you need to be relevant you need to be out there

no a revolution can't happen at every fuckan instant of every single day

but

what what there is no excuse for whatsoever is building a movement that commands the relevance and attention

and participation of millions of people

there's no excuse for not having that whatsoever

period

you wanan american

who would tear that up for a socialist revolution

what are you talking about do

you're talking about materialism and marxism leninism

and you're making a seem like

this entire historical phenomenon is mediated at the individual american level of

well i'm a you're an american it's my chooe

choice to decide whether i'm going to tear up the

it's not how a fo can work

it's like saying

they were tearing it up with hughy long was u long tearing it up

was jimmy hoffer tearing it up

dude you don't know what the fuck you're talking about

and by the way

it's not really a contradiction

a country' civilization america was on the rise as expressed by the soviet union in china which were very much influenced by

this american century an american industrialization

so you're fucking wrong you just don't know what you're talking about

jesus christ

you're calling us idealists and

subjectives and you're saying something a subjective is and fuck and stupid is this

and what does socialist revolution even fucking mean

you're making it seem like

guys

for all you revolution mongers i want you us to know something about revolution

when revolutions happen

it's already too late

revolutionsm some magical fantastical thing that's the be all end all

ok

what's actually more important

thean this very narrow window of decisive

action which

which corresponds to a revolution

is a

objective social revolution and b

actually building a concrete foundation concrete movement

ok

you seem to take those for granted and just say i know what the end goal is we just got to have a revolution and then every

no ok you don't know the falcon and goal

all the whole point of revolutionary whatever

is that

when revolution happens we'll be ready

but the whole thing isn't about

voluntarily creating a revolution that's fucking stupi

it's knowing the right time

that's what lendin got right

he saw it was the right time

and they were able to intervene and they were able to take power

socialists you're just using abstractions that fucking mean nothing

that many leus

they were excluded from it which is why emmo groups in their hated ust wortion a black and immigrant

well now it's intersectionalism

so you're admitting that marxists have to rely on marginalized groups because of their fucking incompetence and actually winning

their country's majority but let me tell you something

you're mentioning

black people as though all they are is some marginalized group for you will guess what

the c p usa

cannot make inroads

into the black community

none of your fucking

organizations make roads in the black community because black people have their own independent problem

intitd they're dealing with

stop using marginalized people as an excuse

for your fucking incompetence

and same thing is true for immigrants

if anything this is a sign of the most abysmal failure you can imagine

if you're only drawing from marginalized groups

then you're taking advantage of them

and that's w

precisely why black people eventually had black nationalism

and why you'll never make inroads in their community

because you don't respect them or you only consider them this marginalized thing all the people who are marginalized were

no

it's never been what marxism leninism was about

that's why lennon he won the russian majority

but the system also made reforms at various stages

for everyone else

there was the american dream

yeah but if you watch our videos about living being and all that you'll know

that sustaining this isn't a given again

look at jimmy haffo

look at all this shit that was going on

none of this was given it all had to be defended and it was all in the process of a class struggle

you're making some shit updu

buy house yes living being right but guess what that's always under threat

and it especially explicitly came under threat

in the latter half

twenty

and where were you

where were you left this

nowhere to be fuck and found you want to know who was found reagan

why did reagan win over you

what you're saying is true because when this did come under threat

in the latter half of the twentieth century

you and mels were nowhere to be found either

so stop making excuses all this shit you're talking about is historically relative

wealth and prosperity is historically relative

ok

stop making excuses

there is no excuse

think you can just will i never said anything about a revolution

idiot

stop making assumption

all the post this one triggered me the most

they're just pothead

who is

wll bring marks in

semester

who are you talking about al

who's off for talking about

who's s comrade romano where's

what do you mean what do you take from all this

when is infrared going to start selling essential oil and heu

shout the fark up you

sit talking bits

with the fuck is alfred come debate us onstream you pussy

were just pothead amateur philosophers who decided to bring marks in

marx was everything you fuck in india that's where we began it all begins with marx

you fucking moron you fucking idiot

if you can't see that

whose fault is that

domez

so sick of all these people talking out of the fucking ass

i was like you one at one point you fuckin moan i just never lied to myself like how you are

that marxism doesn't have

fatal flaws and internal contradictions

when it's not elaborated in the way that we're doing

i just never lied to myself like a dishonest little bitch like how you focking on

so fucking triggered sure i will debate the baby now bits come on the fucking stream right now and debate us

the baby right now ill

come debaate us right now

come tobaate us now al

come

you triggered me so let's hear it let's see what you have to say you're so smart

i want you to explain to us

how what we're saying is meaningless

and how it has nothing to do with mark

you come ons stream and explain that to us

come on stream

i'll have to get a microphone and i'll educate you

you're making excuses you for

pussy

get your fucking microphone and then come back

get the fuck out of youre in the meantime

was

come back when you have your fuck in my

bage

just doesn't have a microphone appearing

everyime we

the

they don't have a microe

yeah he doesn't have a phone he doesn't have a ca he doesn't have a fucking phone either you can call zoom on your phone you fuk dumb as

it's too much of a pussy because you can't back up anything you're saying

because you're talking out of your fucking ass

every time people talk shit up at us

every time we have the opportunity to see and address it

they're nowhere to be found and they just complain about our tone oh you're so angry has

oh has you're so mean and you're so rude but what happens all the shit you were saying before that i addressed

and there is nowhere to be found you were nowhere to be found afterwards

i addressed what you were saying

to the point where you can't say shit afterwards and you sound fucking stupid and i prove how you sound fucking stupid

and then you focus on my tone and how angry i am

no i want to go back to when you said

we didn't see we don't know anything about mark

go back to your arguments

and by the way when you come on our stream

you better keep up the same energy

don't go always all jokes we're all friends no we're not fuck

friends beat

this was the our first buckus stream maybe you'd be excused

but you should know better now

you should know better now to say this dumb shit

dumb shit

where the folk is alfred

i have landlin

then call in our zoom call our zoom

call our zoom right now

you have landline

caller zoom

caller zo

there's no way of the mo

marx was not a pothead philosopher when did i say he was you fucking idiot i don't even smoke pot

dumb bats i don't do any drugs

fucking idiot

i gd sleeping pills two fucking weeks with i insomnia

and i even stopped that shit

there's no drugs in my system whatsoever i don't do any drugs

i even drink

the fuck are you talking about

this is this is the most stupid like attack

like most of the criticisms seem to be criticizing us because we read a lot

that's stupid i mean

marks im so

was rooted in the critique of hatue

do they just talk out of you

do they wouldn't understand marx go read marx's early works is very very early works go read them

go read them

pre eight hundred forty s and early eight hundred forty' s read them

read them you wouldn't make sense of them it's all pothead bullshit

right

or is marsha saying all this convoluted shit

to confirm your vulgar anglo retarded bullshit fucking position

you fucking morn we actually read marx and we understand him we know why he's saying what he's saying

in those works can you do that

because we can

fucking domas

not focking idiot

can you guys do that you say we're not marxist can you actually read marx and explain to me why he says what he says at this time

because i bet you can't

i bet you try to simplify it and botch it

bucket moren

marx did sit in the british library and read a ton of books on economics history and philosophy no he's a skitz so alexander that's a means he's a skit so

he was a schitzo actually

keep engaging the haters

there were people trying to work through goo s in good faith your collective thoughts in that thread

where

i haven't got to them yet

almost every criticism and that thread so far has been either completely false

or a boulder boulder

like simplification

in like bad mean spirit or like bad spirit the caation of what we're saying

w

howary

aw we supposed to address that in good faith obviously that's not good faith

know let's be yt

alfred's the biggest pussy in the chack where the fuck is alfred

i want to where alfred is

where's alfred

pussy

for

was

talking all that shit

but he's not nowhere to be found to show for

you're bunch a pothd philosophers you bunch of skizos what do you have to show for a bitch i'll debat you anytime any ut make you look stupid i'll make you cry on stream

i make you cry and scream

falking idiot

the problem when you see read through you'll get guys like that who read

rumers of the seven

com composer that's exactly it

these people sit in their little cults study circles and they recite the classics of marxism leninism

and they don't even know what they're reading

and they try to discern some type of meaning from it

and they think that because they took away

some simplified meaning from it

that means they understand

when in reality they couldn't

for shit

they couldn't for shit actually explain to you

what is actually being written and why specifically why

the only reason they read these live this literature

is because the soviet union in china

were ruled by communist parties

and it's literally just that

and they were officiating this

literature

it's literally just that

it's literally just that

yeah i guess he lost his phone

i guess

alfred the the

the pussy lost his phone

by the way we don we don't ban anyone from our live chat

we just time people out sometimes

a time thatt one guy were rap

we didn't be anyone from our chat

for our live chak a we can ban you from the channel

you it's so annoying and are in your comments

but we don't ban nobody from our live chat

i'm going to go for

my volume guys once

what do they mean

by we already live in socialism

i've explained it so many times

ok

i want to tell you what i don't mean

because everyone always puts this in our mouth

i do not mean monopoly capitalism

i do not mean

and we live in monopoly

that its centralization

it's the opposite

that was the twentieth century

now

we have a decentralized type of socialism

which awaits a further centralization

because every centralization corresponds to a decentralization

vice versa

read de ls difference in repetition i know i'm throwing shit out there

every decentralization

takes as its premise a previous centralization

it repeats the original centralization

actually reading marks is painful for me

in you're honest

you're honest with these people

they're making it seem like they read marx and it's self evident what he's saying

at least your honor is just

from what i took

more product provocation yes

this is

heavy

true

but it's not simply this because lenin already described this

ok

lennon described this we're talking about something else

the reason we're saying we already live in socim because for us is

objectively speaking socialsm was consolidated

so the political economy that exists in the present time

you're dealing with something new

tocyd imperialism was something new

we're revisionists but lennon wasn't revisionist

ignore these clowns ok go ahead and ignores

we're going to rise either way you cannot stop us

cannot stop

cannot stop in forred we're not going to stop

unless you tube bans us

that's good to hear see not everyone's an idiot

probably infrared himself

infrared is over twelve people

and i hope

known in our group

post

anything but i doubt they do

i have no reason to

more accurate their knowledge of philaosphgas

why would they it's idealis nonsense it's idealis because everything that i understands idealism everything it's outside of my mental safe space is idealism

exactly who's this based guy do i want to start

how do i reward people for being base

you guys deserve a reward

dealing with

in youre

how the focused ideal ist

i know right

if they knew anything about idger calling d sign and this hide gar in turn idealist it's literally the opposite

heideger's whole point is the critique

of modern cartesian idealism

what do you think marx means when he says

men and women enter into relations independently of their consciousness

it's literally up to up the same alley

marx was the first td to garion it's the same thing they're dealing with the primacy of being

the primacy of being

is something marx and heid marx lays out very explicitly

re marks

material being but what is material

well

material is

essential

it's content

material is not substance like how the anglos are trying to twist and turn to make it seem like

what marx means by material is dead facts

it's not what marx means

marx doesn't mean dead sense impression

by material

marx means what actually is

it's a deeper understanding of being what do you think marx is referring to

if not material being

be

dogmatism is when you reject idealism

dude why does this green font piss me off so huch

it's ust this passive aggressive

people talking out of their fuck and as sound stupid is fox

you do you i hate this green far

dogmatism is when you reject idea that you're making shit up you're making leaps

leaps

all you guys fuck and do is make leaps on that website

leaps

i'm not going to do an m s payment

not trigger

truism is when you predent you don't even have to go this far you know

it's anyone who knows anything what high degree knows

it's so stupid so stupid how people

are calling this idealism

our whole point guys

our whole point is reconciling materials dialectic

with

maybe two more steps of thought that you have to make in the twenty first century

it's so funny how people make it seem like we're just using the name marx and marxism

when everything began with marxism we all began like how you guys are now

we just were honest enough to recognize that wasn't enough

because there's contradictions

that's why listen

name me a marxist who wins debates

namely a marxist who can debate contempt

and they win they actually do well

all i see him is stumble mumble and fumble they sound like

here ag

you do horrible debate

marx has lost the debate

the way

they lost

it's so simple to demolish anglo western marxism

it's so easy to

you want me to do it guys

it's full of self contradictions

it's easy to just

wipe the fucking floor with

i don't understand how you can be an anglo marxist

dogmatist whatever

how these guys are

it's so easy to just

pick apart and destroy

it's because we're faithful remarks that would

we sound crazy you know

just just watch some of our videos i mean the entire reason

why you know you need

we need to you know read a hight ighter here

you study all these people

because of the west

there isn't this

i

intuitive understanding of what marxism means like there is in china and russia

in many other places i've already had you know

rotations with

you know

communism

here in the west

there you can't take that

were great

and so there needs to

you know we

need to in a sense like god mark himself would say that

he would rehabilitate

other big

you know you kind of draw

the you know

meaningful kernel

to the theory

it's not like we're you know we're not dogmatically supporting whatever do gt or hidinger is saying we're taking something meaningul from it

so you guys are seeing the audio is terrible

oh no here's the problem of the desktop aady was low

they can't hear you

its my fault it was my

is the desktop audio i had a low on o b

amuse

oh res flt it's not under

fok i'm so sorry is my

now you're good you're good you're good

you guys look at this hypocrisy

so this guy said pick one word and stick with it and then this guy goes

oh you're casual don't worry one day you will learn how these words are connected

but when we connect dots we're schitzos when we try to show how everything's connected

and that all this mrkals everything's connected

we're skitsas right

what a fuck and dogmatism

we're not the ones making up these ideologies you're the ones who are like breaking it all acor int to these separate thinkers and the separate ideologies we're not

you know ward mark is lmus that's all there is to it

you're the one who's you're splintering it we're coming from a unified standpoint to begin with

you're the ones introducing divisions we don't recognize

you're the ones introducing discrete categories we don't care about

whose fault is that is that our fault

all they said is they

read their works exactly

exactly

yeah exactly

whoevers this is a base guy right here base

what a fuck in oll g

there's no reason to deny it yet he was

he was he did believe in nazism as this

i

return to dwsign

high degree did yes

but

there you have to understand why

the reason hahrd degree in his own words is because

for him germany was wedged together america on one side the soviet union on the other

ydegal was too stupid to understand

that the real content

corresponding to his philosophy was actually the soviet union

the soviet union was the revolution and actual reality

that corresponds to the revolution and thought tider was trying to initiate

high degre in the rest of the thinkers of the german conservative revolution

we're too stupid to understand that

they thought that nazism was going to be this

because

they were dogmatic western thinkers

and you should expect that from them because

it takes a profoundly dialectic view

where you recognize something that appears to be the complete opposite is actually where

your position is reconciled

to understand how it was bulls ofvism it was

soviet union stalinism

that was the true content

of the german conservative revolution

including

hidiguarianism

and you know you just got a

i think about it like this too you know we're getting criticized in this literally the same way that the new york times is criticizing left wing intellectuals

in china

so you know is cakrl schmidt

yeah yeaes so i mean does who are you aligning yourself with by criticizing us

merely on this basis that we're you know studying german conservative conservative intellectuals

you're the one who's out of the loop

you know thisrceecil marchs leninous in china

have already been studying all of this stuff

it's like

we know

we know

we know how to go was it was

was a nazi or whatever

but he wasn't reducible to nazis a

the evidence of this is that

while hig degris philosophy may be compatible with the nazis it wasn't

why because hieger

fundamentally and absolutely rejected

racial science

that's where the line is drawn

you understand

this was an anglo importation to germany caleb moppin talked about it

it's completely foreign to the german tradition

anglo race science

he rejected it fully

and eugenics and all that stuff he rejected it fully

so maybe the point is

hideg was just confused

he was kind of stupd

but that doesn't mean

you don't recognize the revolution and thought he initiated based on the people who responded to him

who were all marxists

kjaf

luck on

but tied they were all adjacent to the left and mark

for some reason they make their lives seems unlisted

yet because we want our home page to look good

seem more skitzo than glowing

what does glowy mean

if it was he said they take ideas from jugan

yeah we take ideas from everybody because these people have interesting things to say and made unique contributions

to thought itself

nick land and doogan both extremely interesting thinkers

i feel bad for anyone who doesn't understand

feel bad for anyone who just looks at nick lan and goes

oh i'm allergic to that

i just feel bad for you you're missing out on understanding so much about our

you're missing out

doesn'tcon consider homosexual dude no

ok this is a

yes he does but

don't assume that there's normative connotations of perversion and all that stuff

in

ok

no he doesn't undermine but no he doesn't

doesn't use

fuck

language of more western civi you're attributing normative claims to lk on

that aren't his

stop trying to fuck and cancel everybody

it's so annoying

stop trying to cancel every fucking person

pissing me off

were going to cancel you can find something find something

find something to cancel with

fock off man this american bullshit

fuck off with this ship

is con some kind of art conser no i'm an art conservative

cut me and shoot me quote

suck my dick to

so sick of is fuk and shit

so sick of iw do want to cancel everying

also martials and martials influenced by everyone

of his time

marx was interested in thinkers

that were so marginal and so under represented

that marx himself justified like henry mentioned before

as giving justice to these thinkers

marx his own words

he's giving them their proper due

guy by the way guys when marx was alive there were no other marxist

he could have a mental safe space behind

believe it or not

he actually had to be a human being who had to think

you know who is the biggest influence in lenin's book imperialism

was it a marxist

no

it was some fucking english guy

wasn't it wasn't a marxist

the biggest influence on lenin's imperialism

book was not a mark

i mean with this kind of mentality like where you you reject things because it dot completely align up with your view you basically can't study anything you know you can't learn from any that you can't learn from culture whatsoever

you know what this kind of mentality sorry marsas lenos announced beyond the visible spectrum yeat

if you watch your video of the unknown culture revolution

it'll be very clear clear what that means

which is exactly aur skitchill see themselves

no

fucking stupid bitch n know you fucking idiots

skitchlls think that beyond the visible spectrum

there are positive tangible entities that only they have access to and seek

we're not seeing that

we're saying that beyond we're actually talking about what is beyond the visible spectrum

we're not saying beyond the visible spectrum there's visibly tangible entities

only we have access

you fucking impirss dumb as do you not know what it means beyond the visible spectrum it actually means beyond the visible spectrum

bey on the surface

establishing a deeper relationship to reality

beyond the surface

it's called dialectics

but we're skitzles for that you fucking dumb mass we're not saying there's

fucking dragons and dinosaurs that only we can see aor some

fucking moron

puresist fucking idiot has to think of everything

in terms of tangible empirical entities

that's why you're calling us a schitule because you're an idiot

you're just an idiot

and i mean this is just like the basics of materialism all you know they're all criticizing us for being idealists when they don't get this

fundamental like materialist point

you know it you know

beyond the visible spectrum should be taken literally there's not something substantial that we're saying you know

a we can see b on yon

look look at this sorry

aren't they westerns themselves or are they larping a third world is

we're larping as third worlders but in the heading of the thread you call us merkelis

so choose one

choose one choose some bushion to label us

fucking idiot

i can't believe this shit

how people make shit up

fucking

brain dead fucking idiots in this threat

fuck and mo

post this another thread in defense of infrared

prepare for reckoning has has i can buy microphone because everyone everone doesn't have miicae

ok bother me when you have michael

i post this in another thread in defensive infrared

inf it is important not because they're right or wrong

it is the anti domatism

thank you dod appreciate

if your orks primary practice has been selling newspapers last ear

fuck you

i completely agree

this is nice

baseed comment based com me

he should go to be boston be very funny

not going to as boston debate

wash has to come to us and take the bait

dog was just retarded operas do more exactly

so i needs to grow he says there's a master plan to go

yeah dude we are going to w we are growing as we speak

we're growing as we speak

we're growing as we speak

i'm now full

don't know there's no such thing as hass

ok

don't ever see the word hoses

rethink what you thought about marxism leninism

because that's what we're trying to put into a new perspective

we're just rethink what you think about

you know

don't don't invent new terms like causes

as was your

year

join up

yea link is joining

what up composerly

aller jews ata

oh yeah it is you

holy shitd dod forur hundred eighty k's crazy

crazy crazy how you found th

it a small channel

anci anglo still pose mostly from western philosophy

everyone tries to find contradictions and holes in us that i already fucking address

in the beginning of the stdream i literally said

you need to understand

we to in order to yes we're westerners

if we want to understand marxism leninism

we have to make it translatable to us and that's what i'm fucking doing

it's the only reason we're being accused of schizos

is because i'm translating marxism lendinism in terms

you westerners can actually understand which is through highegree

and by the way even people in the east are reading hid deg because they're making this connection

and understanding it a high degree is a bridge between the east and the west

sub as

you know it's up

hello

holds everyone

can you hear me

yeah i can hear you

yeah i actally n you to

can all hear me

ok i got to get out of this thread soon and finish up

we we can return to full screen because this looks terrible right

so or let me just expand this

not

see if

yeah it's not going to work

looks terrible

that keep you like

i

let's continue

i

markusza

is not how you pronounce it

markusza right

he just got ok

dude i'm saying parties are like corporations now

you can' just fucking make one from scratch

it requires so much money so much infrastructure

so much resources

do not know the scale at which parties have to operate in this day and age

it requires so much it's literally a corporation you need millions and millions of dollars

to sustain a real party

if you want to

fuck and have a chance in a country like america all i'm saying is that the c p s a is a brand

and a tradition

i already said they have shit politics

stop fucking putting words in my mouth

you fuck an idiot

he likes the c p s c even though they have shitty politics

i never

i know i never said i like their politics

i said i like the brand

the brand

yes it's all about brand

in this corporate ad

get over it

sto being a hippie idiot who wants to form a little

oy

based on your fucking purity

grow up and this is the real world

use the c b et exactly all these base people defending

nn you intellectuy

he said nothing

posit yeah dude look at

look at how people

this is why i'm going crazy and getting triggered guys as i can't tell what's real and what's not real

when i read this website

people make me think i'm crazy people make me think and make me doubt myself

and gas light me based on shit i just said

and then i see comments defending us almost makes me even more mad

because it's like it's this self evident

people do get it

and where these fucking haiters coming from pulling putting shit in my mouth

what

the s already has

ok

so this five hundred k mei to is really a common with the fox

yeah

are we rising fe yes we are rising for real infrared simply cannot be stopped

that's a fact

infrared simply cannot be stopped

is putting this out there i never by the way i never neon i never die i know i don't know your real name

that wasn't me

ok

i don't i never knew youre i didn't make this

imag

i had neon the dumbess

and i had neon i never put this name in parentheses

i'm not going that far ok

pissed me off neon but

don't assume i'm trying to dox you and shit i'm not

o

don't that's not my fault

you all come at this from an angle x medic point of view

you can't be autistic and schizophrena it's literally impossible

yeah and i explained

why for both of those

so who's the fucking idiot sounds like you bit

fos defense child pornography because he thinks using logic

yes

he thinks in logiststic logic

logistystic terms whatever oth the fuck you say it

and that leads him to really counterintuitive and extreme

robotic inhuman positions

because

he thinks intuition is wrong

and feeling is wrong and yesthetic is wrong and it's all a matter of axiomatic systemic consistency

so yes

that's exactly why stop trying to fuck and use black face and pretend you're a black guy because you're not

you're not a cool guy you're not a cool casual guy you're fucking bitch nerd on a fucking internet

sorry

still command a lot of old infrastructure rooted in union

he too believes democratic parties alendis party need

what

what the fuck am i reading here

what the fuck am i reading here

what is he talking about someon want to fill me in and somebody talked about

mark said children should work

in the context marx said education should be integrated with work i still agree with that

sex workers work

when did infrared agree with that

we said the opposite is true we never said sex workers wor dumbess

therefore jim watmans is a comy

listen listen dumb as fahi and bitch

let's put this fuck and retard on the spotlight right here beigause dumb as are fucking red so far

you fucking idiot

if you're using a lot if you're using a logic chain

this is not the conclusion you have to fuck and come to

because

not all work even if we accept

sex work is work

not all work is sex work

so it doesn't follow like

dumez

guy once

trigger you pay no momre

there the're succeeding

they're succeeding

yes guy's not very good at articulating himself

no

if you are not a nerd

and your chill and you're watching

you will never ever make these crazy conclusions these people are drawn

ok you'll just get it

you don't overthink it

if you overthink it and try to come from a bad faith perspective and just assume

a bunch of dumb asses you don't know anything about what we're talking about you're going to get what you're looking for

i can't help you

if you come off the bat and want to assume

we're fucking dumb asses you don't know shit about what we're talking about

you're going to get exactly what you're looking for

what a fock and surprise

you're going to get the thing you're looking for

that you premised your fucking engagement with ous on the basis of

we don't have our own red a page

we don't

anglo saxon humor is no laughing matter

because there's no such thing

they're just not funny

all this is is based on

fuckin

romantic

oh i'm better than everyone that's the com ing guys this is anglo saxon humor you want to hear it

well it turns out i am indeed better than everyone

mmhmm

indeed i'm be

ha

everyone is inferior to me

angle humor never knows how to be self depreciaated

that's why it's not funny

revolution is pretended to be

but they not

here's another bad faith retard of the week

revolution isn't the be all end all you have to see the right time for to be ready for it

yes

ok ok this is not a bad faith

ok ok ok ok this is based even though he has the anarcho flag

this is a bas

revolution

i

ma strategy fits this pretty well

yeah you can't just you don't ever romanticize revolution guys

don't ever romance size revolution

because it's something that happens very quickly

it's usually very ugly

and it's nothing to like glorify and like oh you know

maybe after it happens you can glorify it

but

a specific revolution it's like a it's almost like a coup

that's what they call the bolshevik october revolution

they called a coup

the anglles called a coup

because it's not this thing that people think it's not like a carnival or a festival

like that shitty movie red triy to depict it

it's not how revolutions work

fuck reds by i hate that fuck

book to

i don't know why we have anything to do with book

i don't even know what that phrase means

first

first

i'm a skitzo who's too on serious i'm too much of a jackass and i'm too unhinged

but now i take myself too seriously

you can't win

you can't win

you can't win

i tried to have fun with you guys no one wants to have fun

apparently

you guys want to have fun of the chat or no

i tried

but every look what everyone did to me it took me out of context made it seem like i was being serious at that time

not being serious now b you may be angry

since wen you to become a cheerleader normally your post

ok

he's notw being a cheerleader

you're just being a fucking idiot

the million categories angle brain rot and say exactly exactly

hate the green funt i know i hate

exactly

oo i'm fine with that you can disagree with a lot of us

i don't have a problem with that

as long as you're not a hater

and as long you're a bad faith

force me to cak and yet cak

everyone only kick in the chat no laws no l o ls

the cak only chat

should we start calling ok now my business

do these guys support modern china

what does support mean

guys here's what we want you to get you out of the habit of doing we want to get you out of the habit

of thinking

that you make a di

every when you whenever you say you support something

back it up practically somehow in a meaningful way

ok and i'm not saying i'm not the i'm not

you saying go out and do charity for china

i'm telling you the opposite

stop saying you support this or that when you don't matter object

we never said we support any

we said we need to learn from china

cak

but no we don't condemn china as a revisionist

ah

evil revisionist

and that were the true maoists so we're not ml

we are not m l m's

that's your question

i honestly cannot discern any actual politics from this stream

it is a mishmash

what is not a mismash bach

what is not a fucking mitch match

every fucking thing in the world is a mismatch dummas

tell me what is your atomic

what is your atomic

adamized

sovereign and independent concept

that is not somehow a mishmash and a metanum me referring to a string

of millions of other fucking words

and concepts everything in this life is a mishmatch everything in the world is a mishmash

why is that so impressive and shocking to you

is beyond me is beyond the threshold of my ability to comprehend

why you're scared of mishmashes or why you find that signifan

the better question is this if we're a mishmash

what coherence are you coming from because i can prove that your pretended coherence is actually a missmap

of barely understood comments

by who

by you not by us don't get it confused

and badly mangled and somewhat correct you sound like my fulk in high school english teacher

dude you're on a fucking website called lefty pool

and

you're in twenty twenty one when you're witnessing an institutional collapse

but yt you're acting like a fucking and a

school teacher for free for what

dude wake up and get over it

the authority in establishment institution

that you respect so much and you think is the only way you can relate to reality

i wipe my ass with it

and you're posting on a website called lefty poole dot org

so stop acting like you're the fucking professor english professor

and you're grading my paper

oh this is a badly mangled grammatically atrocious

and i

your syntax you're like one of those fucking bit ch az people

w who the only thing they take away from trump speech is that they're grammatically incorrect

dude

but trump won

twenty sixteen

even though everything he said was a grammatically

correct

and you cup

lost

which i repli to knowo we lan

talking for its own sake

i want to be kicked out of my apartment because of how

how much i had energy to yell

be angry right now

we're talking for our own sake

this is so

triggery

it's so triggering

we speak about actual content

and all this guy says we're talking for its own sake because he doesn't understand the content

that's how fucking arrogant and dogmatic he is

you want to know why we have so much haters in this thread

because i just respond to their comments

and i just evincerate and i just show how fucking stupid these people are

and even though they're anonymous

they see

they it makes them feel bad it makes them

they think

am i actually this stupid yes you are

you are the stupid

the stupidity you feel in your heart

that i'm exposing right now you actually are that

you are that fulking

really are

with a bunch of philosophically and academically

esra and henry

he said academically

abstracted marks and what youu

iing withre the exact opposite of that if we were that you probably would like us or not that

he said academically

he said academically is abstracted boxes all for

i mean i think

i mean i think some people just think if you don't you don't understand it's

quote unquote academic

dude

lefty pool accepts us

universities are going to be the last people to accept

these people hate us

every academic who encountered us

ho's a hardcore academic

hates us

we have nothing to do with academic

nothing

they hate us more than you do

actually

they're the reason why you hate us because you respect what they say so much

that you hate us

call thisus an academically abstra dude you sound really dumb

ok here's some criticism i think people like con heideg are worth reading

but they're just on another level than nicklander do

no nick lands very deep too

and so is douged

but

people just know them for the silly things they've said

the former actually well accepted well reviewed

dude but this is an argument from authority

ok not to use be alogical fallacy type of guy

because i'm not i don't believe in that time stuff but

it's true in terms of content you're just kind of appealing to authority

and

land is a bit of a crackpot

well everyone's a crackbout dude it's just that i think land is very coherent

land is not a crack

very cool here

very consistent

and it's he's very clear

in fact

nick land nick land quote me on this

nick land is one of the most clear and concise writers i've ever encountered ever

period

period

and i admire it i wish i could write like nick lance

i'd like to hear from the other two people

perhaps they're more reasonable no alfred they're just less angry probably

this is probably less angry

you ft

bitch alfred came back

we just wish we have haz energy

channel went from pothad philosophy to ad hom yeah bach because you want to de beate us you said you only have landled phone you

fucking talking out of your ass

talking on your ass

alfred how can you show your face here you disgrace

how can you even show your face here

you're exile dude based on just based on shame youre i'm not going to ban you or time you out

you should feel ashamed being here showing your face around

alfred's bak

dude neon who's our haters four of them so far

alfred

neon

ray

and that one guy from yesterday i forgot his name

a

crackpot

do gogan is rushi's more no due dogin goes deep to you just haven't read dog

i've read dougin by the way i've read dogin's actual books and writing

dogan goes very deep

he's also incredibly influential even on

almost on everyday level in eurasia like in china in and many other countries people almost take a serioes as foundation

for politics these days

i think it's a mistake to elevate ve book well it's the're not on the same level for a generational reason

nick land

is a disciple of delus delus was a disciple of k on

who is a disciple of iding

ugan is also a disciple of heide

so that's why there's this difference

it's a generational issue do goin and land are coming from the nineties

these other guys are coming they're more

they have more authority just because they're old

ad on is an attack against the person not the argument

w w from the first stance calling the person re tarded and a groupm later on like a retard wood

i can't read your name dude

but

we're under attack from all sides now so sometimes i misunderstand people are trying to see

ok

but

we do attack the i always attack the argument

and i attacked the person too

so yes

i do do add homonym its the fuck ubt these logical fallacies by the way

i do do the ad harm andyminymonym

but i also attack the argument

so that's what matters

did you hey mike

this is getting old

you hey mike

does that mean

and miss pin stream not yet

funny out four years ago you'd have said something different a do

point

seemed to me

ok

trying to finish this threat

is i want to exit out of this

i'm not claiming they don't

but they're for sure failing to communicate one

because we're not going to let you put us in a box we're sick of boxes

ok just call us infrared

i'm sickle boxes

i'm sick of little

mental safe spaces you can hide around

that's why we're failing to communicate

asient here's

sorry let me just finish this

because of the disorganized way they are talking about these subjects and nwly connecting them together

how do you want us to connect them together because to us everything apri a prioriti is somehow connected already

so how do you want to stall make the connection

you seem to want an explicit connection

between all these names and concepts

not based on the content of the concepts and names

that were as we're using them

but because you're triggered

at the idea that everything in reality is connected

and you want everything to be organized in little

autistic boxes and safe spaces

okay

exactly the anglo box i want to make that a mean

new mem just droped

the anglo box

ok

get that rom

we're not going to be in your anglo bo

there's no anglo box you can put in for red inside

i was probably going to read this yes i am

his advice you stop gazing bet is a knowo it's cont

it doesn't help that they referred to all media elsewhere

that nobody will bother look up because why the folk with the so don't

they might have studied marx for truing the us tro care but i was not organized the single fox

thing i around their real lives all organization means to you is

meing you fucking bats

it's all fucking means to his pain

and you're wrong b about that by the way

for most of us you're wrong at least as far as i know but i'm not going to say anything

for everyone not go to speak forone

but you're wrong about that

but even if you were right

all you'd be doing is wasting your time

because all organization today means is charity and suffering protestant christian bullshit

i come from a muslim background i'm exempt

how about that i don't believe in that shit

i don't believe pain equals good

ian i don't i don't believe that just because you suffer you did anything productive

just because you suffer

and you waste your time doing

some some shit makes you feel bit better

doesn't give you any focking farther in reality

you can do all the folk in organizing you want i'm here to do shit that's effective that's what infrareds about

effective information and communication

so that the action you may do in reality won't waste your fut

time

because i can't

tell you how much

it's a just a waste of your ft

time

go to a fuck and d s a meeting

time of your time isn't being wasted

i'll wait

go to you folk and s meeting

tell me it's not wasting your time

i'm sitting here all wait

i wait for you to call back to me and feel good about yourself or organize

beach

i love a hoskn just let co host talk

because i started this

because this threat is primarily an attack on me

i'm going to we're going to go i'm going to exit this thread

and then we're going to go back to the normal

i just want to finish this streight

ok because they can't even see this thread right now guys they can't even see this thread right now

that's how our set up

needs to be fixed

so that we can see everything we're looking on

and we i can fix this corner right here

can fix this shitty thing

so that we can all you know be dispersed have our own box

that's why

ok it's literally just because that

they fedtisise suffering a is a good trait i know

a not they refer to all kinds of other media

more than that

they're incorporating ideas from nth abt eclectic sources

again

who is not eclectic

who

who

who

tell me who

i'm stunting to someund like an o wil

who

we're making it unclear what is the source is

because there is no anglo box we don't have an anglo box we draw from everything

based on the content

you should fill your mind with everything

you just your vi you're giving institutions and academia so much power because you're just admitting you can't do it independently

you have to go to school and pay

fifty thousand dollars

can you do a screench on the zoom call

yeah but it looks like shit in the

i

in the in the capture for o b

hot people

keeposing everyonings i'm going to fish somes all wes

thk

do

yet so even if you're as knowledgeable as they are no you're not if you're as knowledgeable as we are

every name we drop and everything we're pointing to

it's going to ring a bell and you're going to see how it's connected

it's literally impossible to followe you not friighting the necessary cont

what do you folk and talk about give me one example of that

give me one example of that when there's no necessary con

i'd like to see that

it's amazing i met this was the apex of the dumbest part of the academic left

which i have nothing to do with

while also failing at even most basic aspects of the academic part of the academic lef

do

you just said on' the dumbest part and then you said i the dumbest part again

if you want to know the structure of an irony

it's based on contradiction

so this would be a real sentence if you were to say

he's both the apex of the dumbest parts of the academic left

while also trying to be the smartest part like that would be an ironic sentence you failed that the sentence

f minus

domez bitch

i mean pretty much academy these days isn'an

what true

dude exactly this is all dialectics so you talk like nerds

but yet we know what these academics are talking about i know what these academics are talking

by

in so many words i'm simplifying

and i'm trying to simplify

these mother fukers

want to gatekeep all of you in the streem right now and they want you to pay

how god knows how many tens of thousands of dollars to get an education

just to be able to discoursively participate

in what we

our collective does for free

that you're participating this fucking gatekeeping is what you're doing

stop propping up these fucking academic

bullshit things

they're not as smart as you think they are they're not

it's all bullshit

the dumbest but you think we're doing this because it's an academic trend

dude i'm banned from academia i'm banned from

has i'm familiar with your references and i'd love you shit until today

this is so annoying

why

i'm not i didn't drop out i'm just saying

they'll never accept myself in academa

what we haven't

now his stance in the c p u sa is even more confusing

how did i not clarified in crystal clear words though

i clarified it in crystal clear word

i refuse to be gas lighted like this i'm not being skitchy or incoherent

roll back the clip and try to find a clip that makes me sound incoherent

about the c pus

there's nothing

you're going to have to

splce me you know you have to splce me and lie

but that's ok

because it's for the means for the content right

that's the only way you're going to make me sound incoherent i'm crystal clear

i'm pretty but clear

so anything when anything what nuanceed is just called schizophrenia anything with the slightest bit of nuance

you know the thing of the c p s a was a really simple point you know we disagree with their politics but we like their static and their t tradition etctera

that's a very simple point their brand i sad it like that i even said their brand theyir corporation

so it's right right

yeah

how is it nicely more straightforward

yeah it's very straightforward

i

oh no has took the woke turn no i didn't do i'm just saying you're an uptight frigid little bitch on the internet nerd

and you're trying to make yourself seem casual and cool

using memes from twitter

but i can see past because i see the person behind the keyboard

trust me i do

i know what you look like bhyd the key

i know how you are behind the keyboard

don't try to act cool

try to shit o infrarect

if you're on a website website called left youoole no hey

no disrespect

chances are you're not this schol guy

it's a stop posture

imagine thinking the c b s needs millions of dollars to survive

to be an effective party

in america you need millions

as where you have i'm not going to

speak on your experience asra

but

what do you think about that a or do you need millions to survive as a party in american

probably to win a plaz and more than millions

to to win for example a campaign

not s for

campaigning but just maintaining

an actual organization

um

most of the parties today they're always in shambles the'sll just where trying to

the fringe parties even as small as they are they're trying to piece everything together and they

yeah it pus s a mass party you definitely needs million and you would you would get more than a one million at lease if you are if you're dy influential

is the d sa a party no they are a group

i don't consider anybody a party

w doesn't even have a fighting chance

like the democrats and republicans do so there is only two parties in america in a sense

and europe i know the situation is different but in america yeah you are going to need millions if you're going to build a real party

like the socialist party in the twenties

with eugene de

it's going to have millions of people in

you guys know that a real party in america is going to need minimum one million people

to be real

the real party out of a population of three hundred million you need at least one million

to be a party

minimum i think five is fair

but let's just say one

we're talking that's what i'm talking about when i say party one million

c pusa is a powerful brand

it's a brand

and i can envision it

i can envision it

is getting to that level

i can' envision pulling something out of my ass and starting a party

with

the twelve people in infrared

and that going anywhere because it's not in neither is your little group schools you guys have either

neither is left you pol as a wole if it wanted to start a party in america

can't start parties any

i don't

at least in america

notice me as your notice

i mean even if you could argue because a

tell me i would never talk you the devil

went through the fuck and thread maybe he's really an artist not a skitzo

it is impossible to be both i just explained why

man is extrapolting a critique of his incoherence into me not liking mixing peas and mashed potatoes together

what are you fucking talking about

why is miss maassing

because the idea of having a political program we don't have a political program you fucking idiot

we're not a party we never said we have a political program where you getting that from

where you fucking getting that from h

is to crystallize the concepts into something structural

that can be applied in a political

what is he rambling about

where do we talk about a political program

what's your actual program has

i'm about to go autistic i'mout to go ape shit amout to go king kong start breaking sh

let's start breaking sha

i i just said just said you can't create a party from scratch so i don't have a program

what the fuck do you think this is hah

they want is a fantasy that's what they want that's all it would be you know a bunch of people get together make a part that's just a fantasy he could be some more

he thinks i'm going to create a cult and i'm going to create a ten commandments program and expect everyone to follow my little program

i'm just one guy ok and we're just twelve people in this infrared are more or less

so what do you think

want to see a debate between has a man in the wild ja

if jason's polite will be polite

so

you're not going to get this energy

directed at jacon

nick lan is one of the most clean concise writers e read he is

he is

i'm going to be honest with you guys

the german and french writers are kind of hard

at least they're easy for me now but in the beginning they were kind of hard

land is very easy to read

he's very easy to read he reaally he doesn't write a lot either

all his works are short

he does it on purpose

so land is very accessivele

where i'm coming

he's a very accessible right

isn't the whole duban is very influential very much i mean

n know he is pretty influential

he's pretty influaned

in terms of his theory not his political influence onm or something

his book the foundations of geopolity

it is influenced

nicklan has written

fan neumana is not a book nick land wrote it's a compilation of writings by nick land

and they're very short writings i like i expoint about antiacademicism but he always just brings abll kind of books and writings

that talking abou what he thinks these works what points he wants to make bring them up

i

basical a heys presuming an academic context within his own dialogue

well i'm saying if you're interested in looking up these names go pursue that that's all i'm doing

you know how the cultural elites when

when you deny yourself access to these bakers because you you think that makes you academic as the internet

look them up dude they see internet you don't need to go to school to understand this

use google

google it

i'm going to put a question for the chat

that's my question

fucking google it do

communicating a political program is being put in a box

here's political program andy the biggest dumbass ever

yes gits hours

yes everything is connected has but we're not all connected directly and equally when did i say we are you fucking idiot

if everything was connected directly and equally and that's what i was saying

then i would just be saying something meaningless in a meaningless order

but everything i'm saying does have order and does have rationality

you can't seem to parse what that is

and instead of in good faith asking you just make assumptions

y because three mintes iy like

it's not to start weal you like

sares start reing this in english accents

they are connected in roundabout ways by all the ideas between them

wow nice materialism

a functional ideology is based on makion when we mention anything but a functional ideology

and when it what a stupid word a functional idiology ediologies are created in a fucking lab to be functional you pragmatic american retard

functional idiology

is something you can only judge after

in ediology or whatever actually takes effect

and it functions in reality not because someone wanted it to function

because it actually does is a phenomenon

for example nationalism did someone create nationalism in a lab

or is it a phenomena expressed actional reality

that functions in a certain way

which one is the materials nazs which was the idealist one

you're pragmatic american idealist

is based on making specific connections

was this american i

based on making specific connections and separations that allow you to prioritize certain parts of the whole

and was result make changes as a whole

you don't know what you're talking about dude

you know this has nothing to do anything we're saying

we are doing that

you're just not seeing how we are

you're not seeing that we are prioritizing certain things and

de emphasizing other things

otherwise

i couldn't even make a sentence

i would just be saying every single word in the english language at once

yes put together reading less we'll get to it

we'll get to it

trust

we'll put together reading list but we have to know more about where you guys are at

these guys aren't helping us do that

we're not going to throw books at you and let you have jerk off reading circles

like holl these m l groups in the west do

ok guys

it's way better to study independently guys what do you think

in for speaking in terms of infrared

where did you learn more in the very beginning when we had these

study circles

or just doing should on your own

h mainly on my own

to be i mean it's like because you know when you have discussions injt like just general discussions you know all of that stuff you're learning on your own it you know

it gets put ino context it gets debated talked about etcetera

but then like when it comes to yourself you mean you kind of

you know what you need to like what you're missing what you need to learn and what you need to study

and also the very act of learning is highly decentralized um

people come from different background have different assumption even if they want to learn about the same thing you have to do it's

differently with different sources

exactly

exactly

ezra always comes and brings up

crazy new insights based on readings he does independently

and that's how we all learn together

we don't we don't

you know you can't for we can't for it's it is a very individual thing it is

not going to lie to you guys you're

it's a very individual thing

would be striss infer it is of the gray zone

i don't know

western marxist everything is defined by putting into a box humans are totally robot

exactly

genuine webam

socim with chinese characteristics

with the chinese idemis caing what

the huge ediological box

i don't know what the rechards

he is banned from

academia i'm saying in a sense that in academia

they don't accept me and my way of approach

and my way of thinking

they don't accept

i'm not the type of cyite re sources guy who

who has a very formalistic

stuff

and you know

i'm not that type of guy

i don't believe i could listen easing but academia

academia only allows you to write in a passive voice

and allows you to be the passive medium by which

objective knowledge is expressed

i'm speaking in an active way we in infrared speak inc

the discourse of the university which

well a con cause it

is a false sense

of

speaking purely in objective terms with no human element whatsoever

that's what academia is robotic think

even if they're continental

even if they're not anglo or analytical

did a cart no i'm not banned from college i said there day wouldn't allow my shit

so was trying to break into booze ll politics

meaningless word whos well politics meaningless word

what's your proletarian politics dummss mutual aid on the street

in jacking myself off on the sidewalk

set the fuck up its

chaz is chaz proletarian politics what's your proletarian politics

some of your puletarian politics is

i get the sense that vanguard just want to get elected cash out and go grill

is even referring to us

he's yeah he's referring to our

i

how

were they are referring to us

oh yah it's a capitalized black is grounds for permanent exile

i doree with d sa

i have never agreed with dsa about anything

where did i agree with usa

most of us are fmiliar with the m l classic is not sure what a branch out from there couicd were wrong

based inuage because po don't want to make sense of

you don't want to make sense of

see later jly

yeah nice haveing you

c s a seems full of neal brown then you go change it dude i like the brand i'm saying the brand in the aesthetics

tradition

the part and the name

the name recognition brand reckon

we're looking at it in a future oriented way you know we're kind of talking about what it could be not not what it is right now but what it could be we're not

we don't care about what little trends permeate

i promise you if you implanted hags in the dsa

da would be shaken up a little bit

you believe that

but i'm not going to do it

because i known i just cause a lot of problem

could you expel us

how is directed because there's no such thing as direct action direct action is actually direct autism and direct w

where you put on a first student runn around naked

and you feel good about

there's no such thing as direct action let me tell you g something about dialectics

in

according to dialect

the relationship between individuals

and material

politic

right i would calling it the policy the social whole whatever you want the moti of production

the state

you have to recognize there is a discontinuity

that makes it impossible to act directly

every action is always indirect

every action is always indirect

if you're a western individual is retard you do think that there is such a thing as direct action

if you're a materialist and you're dialletician you understand that between me a subjective individual

and the material social whole for the poliicy in which i live

there is a fundamental discontinuity

that makes direct action impossible

the

westerns inability to realize this is why there're such clowns they run around ouurside naked with furry suits

and they start screaming and you know screeching and shoed doing dumb shit embarrassing themselves

and they call that

practice and they call it direct action

there's no such thing as direct action

please recite that every night as a mantra before you go to sleep

there is no such thing as direct action

there is no such thing as direct action

i'm a preacher southern preacher

there is no such thing as direct action

youyll get around

sit on the congregation we're going to have a congregation here

law there is no such thing as direct action

i'm in

there's no such thing

trust me there's

we don't have a political program

why would we

you're really overthinking what infrared is

you really think we're so pretentious

that we're claiming were the vanguard party

and we have a political program for you

whoever is doing that is lying to you and trying to con you and scam you

you don't just create a party in a program on a thin air you know t just make it you don't just you know what you don't create it from your mind

it's like at that point you may as well be like black hammer and just make a city

at that point you just

you may as well make a city you know

neat it's helping the community a bit but neat

that's always in the context of an indirect political

h

never direct

never direct

can just smash

state

exact

direct ok everyone likes use the black panther party will

here's what people tay for granted about the black panther party is that they were

friendship in the community came

there's the national asp

will overlook

the black panther party not the white panther party clowns

please stop using them as an example

case

because the reason it wasn't sorry the reason it wasn't direct action guys

is because

the black panthers were actually coming from the community

they they were from the black community

so wasn't direct how you trying to say

wasn't a

and and also the um

the free breakfast program it's not the engin itself it's not just they do an action because they just want to feed people because

no you can't feed an entire nation of people it's something they do try to make a social connection with

to a community which they have concrete roots not someone who just goes in all right

i'm going to help you guys uh i'm you know i know more than you i'm better than you i sympathize you i pit you to you so therefore i'm going to feed you

and what is that guy

indirect

it's direct a

just like as were sad

then the goal is just

fee

if it's indirect thatt

something e was going

sonic dreams

ha is your entire ediology

derived from metal of your sd so i'd never played that game once

english accent goes full dixie close enoug yeah i changed to an american one

it's american pragmatism

look them up has amn the duty of a vanguard which is not

they're still calling us a vanguard dude

we're like

do a little bit over

ud

heavy d

listen

how many of us are not even living in america

i think it's more than half

isn't it

mm

feeling out of

yeah it seems a

kind of kind of close to have probably more than fifty fifty so half of us don't even live in america

how are you

why are you saying where the vanguard were not

you don't even know a vanguard means do

we live in twenty twenty one a lot of time has passed since lenon's time

ok

what a stupid way of thinking

dude i have to just think as you probably know a little bit about this

when you have something like the chinese communist party

when they look at western leftist talk about a vanguard party

do they not see a type of insanity in that that they can actually reproduce something up the scale of the communist party of china

at this individual level

ya ya they do and um

whenever have like

peoblen

good people i know from china tried i tried to patiently explain the situation in america

it's not they after first impression is not just fine saying they just can't believe it they just can't comprehend it ho you just going to you know in the united states twenty first century you

error of

in a that

in the hagemonic center with all this

the tagon that the way economic structures is ges arond then just form aur right we're going to form a party and just

be the vanguar a stats like just directly on personal level but that's impossible i

definitely not the experience same condition as the c c p had and people understood it alside of america

you know i

it's crazy because it's like

people who think they can just create a vanguard party from scratch

are just as stupid as people who try to create

stads from scratch like chats

or hammer city

it's literally the same thing

it's the same ridiculous

inability to distinguish scale

that is beyond the individual purview

hope fat as wash takes the bait

i don't want to insult this physical appearce you know

unless see you know itsults mine then not then then we can have

also just one quick thing like on

we're what we are currently not all just reply to the previous su

thing on leftypole

we're not trying to organize the proletariat

you guys are not

the proletarist like you may be from some of you may be from proletarian background but you're not the protarists we're just

engaging

on the intellectual level because of as we are m

theoretcal exchange and communication online

um

it will be even more ridiculous saye marks private letters organizing a proble terias or something

let me respond is on a deeper level

i don't expect you to get it at once do you

but i'm just saying in your day to day life you're going to encounter ideas you're not familiar with

but one day you might remember something has said on stream

ok

and you're going to think ho

hos kind of talked and you got to make a connection i promise you it's how it works

how it worked for me

it's how worked for everybody i know

you're going to in your day to day life

you're going to encounter ideas you weren't familiar with before

but which

remembering what has said or what someone said from infrared

is going to make more sense to you than it would of others

it's a gradual type of thing

i don't expect you to put in all this work and read all these books

i'm just saying

you are i'm opening a door for you is all i'm doing

ok i'm just opening the door for you

that's why i mentioning these names i just want to open the door for you

ok

idialities are creting a lab for intance national

s like the worst possible example of ideologies organic

i disagree i think nationalistic sentiment is very organic

i don't think someone created that in a lab

if you want to talk about the tradit nationalistic romantic traditions of the nineteenthd century

i don't even think it's fair to say that those were examples of it being created in a lab either

i think people are more than capable of being chauvinistic or nationalistic

whatever

without reading any theory whatsoever

and there's no buried in

how many unique ips in the thread i'm curious to know that too

please respond to the direct action thing

so what you said is that

they did it to form a connection but that makes

better that's taking down two flies with one strike both improving image

and material condition

ok but your issue

is pragmatism your issue is this idea that anything which is

o

leading to the good outcome is good

i mean i know it sounds like

self evident like is true

what is destiny in voss call it consequentialism

dude you got to stop thinking in those ways

thank

in a sense

protestantism is right we are all evil everything we do is evil

boss says we buy computers mine by

kids from africa is true we do we all are evil there's no way to be ethical

in the sense you're trying to say

on a personal level you can be

it is not the business of organizations

political organizations to do charity for itch for the go sake of good and

to for moral good

moral good is something individuals do

so when you come across a homeless guy in the street

individually

individually

maybe it's a test of your good

part

f you're going to help them or not

when it comes to political organizations

politics is an ugly business

politics is about power

or gwinness

ugliness you understand

it is not the business of a political party

to have charity for the sake of moral good

every single thing is about an indirect

indirect

struggle

power

nothing nothing at all about it has to do with

doing

good for good sake

good zone sake

that's an individual

or maybe that's a thing for families to do or friends to

it's not something politics

forur

you guys need to understand politics is an ugly dirty reality

and i don't know howse to put it

and western lefts just don't get

and that's why they haven't gotten anywhere

they haven't gone anywhere

you one know why bernie couldn't win because bernie's a good guy

but you know what

he didn't apply he applied his goodness to his politics and it made him weak

and they stomped on

they crushed him

crushed

the good test of someone who' is good at

doing this politics things

you have to be evil in your practice

politically but be good individual

male and stalin knew how to be ruthless

evil when it came to political power

but on a personal level i have i'm not going to lie you guys both smile in stall and all in lenon all these people

they were exemplary virtuous individual

what i think you're missing out is that power can only be achieved with the people behind you

but that's indirect visage your head you're not helping the community

for a direct reason

it's indirect the reason you're helping that your community

that's how the point we were making that's all were make with the black panthers is you know they were doing it to build roots in their community and i mean that's how they that's how they gain the support

you know

this is like evi

sorry

i just want to

say something from a slightly different perspective because

i think when people say routine or community they think um

what's left is talk about like organize your community like communy organization

i think um

the problem with that with that is thats

i don't think you at this point

you can relate to

your community if you actually has a coherent community that that you can direct contact with

on the

political level

right it's uh um

it's not

it's like what do you mean like youre like are you are talking about using personal connections andn fine if you want to do that like learn personally building personal connection the go ahead but it's not something

really on a political level on you know s significant way

when you when you describe the

to so called direct action

um

ok

and another thing is that

own say

another thing is that

okay ya uh sorry

see later no more lives

later

this guy says he needs to read this dude we know what hinterlands is this book sucks

i know what do you guy think i think this book sucks i hate it

i wont the red summary of its and i don't like it

yeah i don't know i don't know a lot about it

it's the guy basically makes the argus this coming from an ultra leftco

type of communization perspective

it really fucks up

we thought we would like hinterland

because this is up our alley like thinking what the hinterland in the peasantries of

i hated this book

he

he basically on

liquidation is ew

look

the liquidation

telling them to look up and read books just the to doe be a force organized the proletariat

what

contradicts himself here he was arguing that we need to get the f of the armchair wasn't he

yes

but your armchairs dog dog which is were even working your mind

work your mind that's not that's not an armchair

you're actually putting your mind to work

it's not armchair

on

i was talking about sterile dogmatisms that don't lead you anywhere

this sh it probably will lead you somewhere

if you take it that far

ok

i promise you if you put me im just speaking personally i'm not speaing for anyone else

if you planted me in any part of your organization

it would be shaken up so badly they would kick me ouf

by the way i've had those experience

why did the black panthers fail

i

i'll give you one sentence and i can return to it if you want to if you want to bring it back up

i would say the black panthers faile

because

o

me think

a it's a tough one it's a tough one how do i simplify

it'sself

why did they fil

i don't know i think it's a tough one i think one of the biggest reasons the panthers failed from my perspective at least

is that they weren't able to operate at the level of a necessary scale

beyond what is proximate at a community individual level they didn't acquire that level of abstraction

that a party could like the republicans or the democ

so that's one big part of

yeah well thisvis is the reason it's feds

is exactly what i'm talking about

you know you could have the f b i forged letters and

they didn't have the necessary infrastructure that's one part of

it's way more complicated but

that's one part of

y know renewing himself

has what are you thoughts about serno i don't know who that is

no political program no outline of issues read these reaction i uss your libs now

look at bad faith bitches who put us out of context

and you're not laughing you but herd bitch you're mad about how i fucked you up and

how your bt f o so bad

no political program yet

no outline of issues what issues do you want outline

what issues do you want fuckan outlined you haven't told me which issues you want outline

read these reaction idealist authors

we didn't actually say that

we just use those authors as examples of how diverse the people we draw from is

the only people who you maybe we've said to read is high degree

that's it

we didn't tell you to redo go

nickland or any

we just use those examples you should expose yourself even to the people who appear

the most reactionary and evil

and by the way nice use of idealism stupid bits

i bet nick land would fuck you in a debate

basically fuck you in a debate

and prove to you how you're the idealist and he's more materialist than you because land is the ultra ultra anglo materialist

metaphysical

materialist

what an idiot

your libs by the way you are liberals you are liberals

but i don't know i didn't think that was up for debate i think everyone knows that

i'm reaching a wider audience

lost five hundred lost one hundred subscribers down to four seventy i woke up today

and we had four sixty five

we didn't lose one hundred

we never had more than five hundred

we are at the peak we've we've always been

on on guys guys g because i'm not going to let this go i' not going know what is going i go i'm noting what is going on is

i'm not going to let this go

he said we lost a hundred bs

i'm not letting this go i'm not letting you go i'm not letting you go i'm not letting you go

you said we lost one hundred subs

get on your falck and kees apologize and me you're wrong

objectively empirically speaking you're wrong factually you'or wrong

we didn't lose on hundred fuck and sub

we gained a fuck on of so

this proves everything else you're saying is bullshit

if you can lie listen guys

if these bitches in this thread can lie and make shoot up about this

this

what else are they making up

what alse they making up on

if they can make up

this

what alre they making up

what else they make them

what are they making up

we lost one hundred subs oh yeah oh yeah

and your other representations are so accurate in good faith right

fulk and yer

take it from me

channels going fast

see guys take it from composer really the o g in the chat

he's got half a million subs he says we're growing fast

you know i trust what he's saying rather than this dumb dip shit on fucking lefty

but why did you say we lost one hundred s

did we have five hundred seventy sbs when

what yeah

well they sycled

yeah i was going to say we've been gaining a lot of subs like very recently

thoughts on richard spencer

he's like a clown dude he's kind of funny

honestly like him his support for biden was hilarious

m

he's a fucking i am

i don't care about

spend his time fighting with conbo

what a world we live

we don't fight with i like con

but to be fair it's kind of both

and theear needs practice

but he's still regarded for neglect

dude you don't know what you're talking about w you talk about practe

how i call your bluff

just say that you don't know you're talking about we talk about pri

talking about something you want to

happen

oh i want to see changes in reality

but you're thinking of it in such an individualistic way

fucked that

first ws anyone proceeding in discourse should be right your damn footnotes

ss is going is to get off you tube and right

dude i've written books i've written books but they're just not released

because a bad faith bitches like you take my shit out of com

so trust me they're going to be released when they get released

i want to release my writings

when i know there's going to be an audience for them that's not in the majority going to distort

i don't want to release them when ninety nine percent of this is going to happen if i release my books ready time move to am

very brief

very brief

very brief

right

this is what will happen logic changed

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logic chain time

to

i leuses his writings

logic chain time

i just spen so many time doing logic changs form

for university

i had to lower the farm

hy ha why have i not all of the show just use immsse paint to do itings stuff

y

we're going to keep using am s pai i get a better p c and then we can use some the better

o

this is another thing people overlook

okm

then

what's going to happen

is that here we go again exactly where m spinking

here we go

want to say what happens when i release my writing

i

first responses

this is what's going on

this is the logic chanin

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this is going on

see

please release them ou would read and show them everywhere

w i got to know there's more people who are like that but we're sit is blocking it

there we go

take a screenshot guys this is it

this is going on

this is going on see

yes it does

from my from my sqreaen

we are kind of ball blocking it's st n yh i took i took it out i took it out ok they coud see

ok that was enough time

i'm good n am a spain

ok that's why

imant to

minimize themi sp

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has this post image is actually a p d f i know dude

we have the book

in our discord we have it

we just we just i brought it up again like

few months ago

has release your my little pony wridings

has this posed image open

based taking down rec action nice

thank you for having the patience to engage with the retards oz

that do i have the patience i don't know

there's no such thing as direct action

yet i hear the green cocks come again the green text cocks are here again

here we go with the green

little arrow asphole

it's impossible a directly because all actions are indirect yes

but you have to continue the dialectic everything is indirect being indirect doesn't mean anything anymore

i'm saying

that on the scale of the individual

all actions are indirect

maybe something is directly happening on a non individual scale but it's not happening at the level of the action within which is possible within the volition

of a focking individual

simple as that

answer me whats your favorite suny game ho shadow the funcking heage of bitch

what you ask

youus an answer

i haven't played sonic and like

fifteen years i like some of i like some early but

saga games though

somemilarly thingy games

yeah i just like shot a hedelog for gam

because you can use guns and shit that game i was always a g t a

type of kid

how should embrace mallsm s are torny ate for watch the republic to fll it already has and you just can't see it to late do as res the star wars guy he knows all this

staying away from that's reasonly

there is no justice no law no order except for the one that well price exactly due this guy understands

this guy understands lendinis

what's my dumbmesst take i even forgot what i said

ah buto the direct action

the game perfected oh you tonget sonnic the heads off

i just like gun

i like games of guns and shit

'm i have low attention spent i was just one of those kids has to be a g t a

some generations that shot the heads up

shadow the hedgehog whatle you drew what you drive cars

and ride bikes

and have guns and stuff

and i like that i was like games that let me have freedom to do that

and also i'm an edgewar just like shadow

is merely the construct of the current power base dude what a base

this guy would win the communist party

darth mall he'd be a fucking great communist leader in the u s

bernie's like fuckin who's that olll

cop

obi one conobi

was it was it in these stories like

usually the villains

on some level or aor good revolutionaries

yeah it's true

true

even darth vader was

yup you

revan guard i wonter how much correspondence if you says i don't know

can yes as a what's up with the c c a for acronym in the west

a i feel like they cooked that up

and use it overnight

what do you think

ya i wonder about that sue

i mean because officially in fi

ya ya pretty sure officially it's a c p c

but i think

you just catch on and everybody starts using

in' know

maybe's remind them of the c c p or something i i have no idea

i think it's pretty funny to have a hang up with the idea of a vanguard when the entire point was that this by throwing out not even sources but authors

he's neglecting actually to make his own points

because i shit on the vanguard book dude

i mean the not the vang of the hinterlandce book

but the hinterlance book is made by like an anarcho

all tra

that that was in a vanguard book

so what do you but heard about

do it

people can't relate to their communities to create det direct action n they can't

my man literally what

atamization is gribing

i think aanamization is just your lonely personally you'r call amization we're all lonely dude

everyone is

some deep level

even if you're sleeping with someone at night

you know wake up in the middle of the night

you're going to realize you're alone

so get over to

mm

who gives a phone

stop using this word atomization

ok

we are listen we're not aanomized because we're here together right

you guys are here in the chat

i'm closer to you guys in the chat than i would be with my fake friends in real life

how about that

oh mystoner guy i love mystoner world is the first one i played and i liked a lot

you know

we're here together guys

i'm closer to this forty eight viewers we have right now

than my fake friends in real life

think they're my friends they're not

and i'm not your friend i'm not going to pretend i'm your friend

but

don't say we're atamized because we're not

created a channel communication

despite throwing it out sources by off

a almost like it's intellectual masturbation to these guys and they want to make a big deal about how much they've read

dude

you don't know how much

time you're talking about in terms of our group

i'm saying we didn't like i didn't like hinterlanes when we talked about it we already did talk about it and discuss it

we did discuss it

i didn't discuss it i didn't discuss it with

sorry you fuck a narcissistic dumb shit

just because i didn't discuss it with you do mean we don't discuss it at all we did

i'm just giving you a breakdown we didn't li i didn't like that book you wlet me to explain why i didn't like it i have to go back to what i said

bucket idiot

dummez

lots of people don't like inderlines because the

that's not really why even though it is really pretentious

i just thought it was a necrophilic ultra left

communize your book but i can pull up what i said so i can remember why i didn't like

i just remember i don't like

i have to look up and see what i said about

lads if we post

fast enough he will get stuck here forever there's not enough

' like a handful of people who like go ons here

o what do you like about it so

les are just really hung up on

i release my books when i release

lazy gomy get

dude most them are done

most are done nex

so n knowo you're wrong

was mre dumb

i'm not like this

destiny

seems like he's very robotic a lot

m not robotic i'm very emotional

you don't know what practic is

you don't

it's that you dieed throw me more words

the mass organization of the proles according to theoretical

what does that mean concretely you're just throwing me abstractions

you're not throwing me anything concrete

i'm saying you don't know what it means not because i don't i doubt your ability to recite a special definition

but because

i'm saying you don't know what it means concretely

your attempt to apply that concretely results in cloud

founder

row you're basically a communized

no i'm not do i hate communization

hat giveus dof

hate and notes especially

watch our video a sourcism in twenty twenty one

and you'll see how much we shit on and notes

i fuck and hate notes dude i have nothing to do with communization i think it's the

weirdest

cringiest shit ever all le's just communize guys i don't want to communize with you

don't

stay the buck away from me

smelly fot

has doesn't

think to type the text before he draws the box around it

yeah

this is like a metaphor for the whole discourse or some

no it's not dude

i'll be stuck here forever i can relate

i would read his books

no you won't

you're most you will not read them most people are just going to shit on them

and then

the sheep will follow

it's a sad truth i don't blame you i don't blame you

but this is how this type of thing works

you know most we don't have time for this bush is just like infrared

and so what most those people are haters

is going to read our book

and they're going to be like

some anglo but herd guys going to take us out of context and ever was goo to do what to dom

and then you're not going to find anyone who's going to

you know it's going to

trust me i know what i'm doing we'll release them in time ok

when our channel gets bigger we're going to release our book

or my book

but if i get the consent of everyone everyone in

you know there's like twelve people so we got discuss

i should honestly start a blog what if i told you i have several blog

jus don't know who there

yeah i do

several bl

i have several

he's never going to find

you find my gey money

you find the i'll give you sendy fifty dollars you find my blog

deends ho long it is and if we get a free cop

this play there's one i have one i have in mind

that i want to release for this gent

but i have to ask everyone

i will read your books if you not s hot one

their novels with ray and neon as the antagonist ra non come apologize and all unbanded from our channel

actually fucking retarded a strike is direct action

it's only the action that gets results

dude

strikes are not as significant as they are todays they used to be there's the one going on in india

but it's not a workplace strike

so organizing a strike at that level i couldn't do it you

you left this

jam

and politically yh political strikes are not direct action

you know and that's what that's what most significant strikes are today they're you know political layre meant to have some kind of bigger social

meaning not directed to just higher wages from a specific employer

the way strikes catch on

is indirect

it's a ripple effect it's not direct action it just catches on spontaneously

after like a domino comes it's not they're not organized like how you think they are

in india was different because institutions were the big move

so that was

but that wasn't in there was institutions it wasn't a direct individual

creating a strike from his ass

direct

and also you don't

especially in the west

you don't guess results thu strike directly right agay

like if someone amer wo goes on strike

the hope is

it's goarner wider public attention rises especially on social media you will see this people a striking and there's public pressure there's political pressure you don't directly just stright against your employer

ah and

guess any big change political changes the outy i

meat

no herban maoism is not my account or my blog

neat you know how pathetic would be for me to interact with my main twitter account on the focking infrared

urban masm guys based and we d m we i d med him to ask him to come on

but

he said he's going to i forgot what he said

i

i think he said something like he needs time or something i don't know

but i guarantee he was the guys read this only goes

what do you think about this

this anonymous guy says i guarantee you he has not really written anything longer than like twenty page

oh

my goodness is lacking critical information

critical information your lef

didn't they say they were in sort of substact want to see a substact

we have this lined up on our substat

but i haven't worked on in that forever because i'm in law school right now

but

we wen i maybe i'll get around to releasing this on our sub

but you can see right now schools schools will would take screenshot to a scureenshot

fifty f p s sixty f p s goe hurry god

you have a gaming monitor you can do it three hundred herds re fresh

response to this lefty poole

bitches

book hoarding is graenward

he's right you

i know i'm

this is literally hod

do don't flatter

must embrace smallest

lennin is

hasendorses darth mall i do endorse

what is this

nope this is pornographic not clicking

duke who is a blankist

what is this o can ended guys only two more things left

theories the observation of the world i don't agree with

i don't agree i think this is an impirsistake i a gree its observation of the wor

both base and superstructure i don't like these catch words dude i think you should think more independently

ah

theory his privcy

what are the mechanisms

i' have several blogs you can't find a linker blogs coward no

not going to

guys context is everything right we don't want

we just don't want you to take us out of

strikes in the us were made affected by free when when's the last time

oh this guy smart he's alreadys defending us

exactly they haven't existed s nine hundred forty seven

exactly

too difficult for you for i promise nos is youre not goingst in the context

keeps telling you to put their money with their mouth is int debatab you want to put

yes so so what

i'm not anonymous beitch i'm right here who says that makes me your dre asking for the opposite

if i were to release books

then that would be anonymous

ins stead showing my face and my skin and my flesh

and i'm not anonymous so you are fulking coward yes you're right

i'm showing my face in my voice instead of text

that is objective we more brave

and just releasing fucking books

and writing

why would you reveal at least one blog's confiden that

because

there are different contexts

it's different context that's why

i don't just put shit out there in you know

you guys don't think like how i

you don't i do things purposefully

i do things with context in mind

but i'm challenging gy toll find it

find my blog

you won't find

if you if anyone finds it i'll admit that yes that's my blog

if you find

i'll say yeah that's mine

i don't care if you find it

but i'm just not going to show i do things with intention and purpose

if i were to link it to you

i would have to own up to the intention i don't have the intention of doing it but if you were to find it on your own

tough shit i'll admit it

not going to lie to you

why would he

is he afraid that writen our thoughts can actually be critiqulistically

no

and don't have the issuse of being a stream of consciousness like a live stream

well actually is kind of part of that you can put the words in an anglo box you can put words in an anglo box

and but i don't think that's the most effective way to convey what infrared is through writings

i think this is a way more effectve

as prove proos in the pudding

as for putting our money where our mouth is we we are doing that right now bch you come on our stream and debate us simple as that

no writing means anything guys

if you can't put your money where your mouth isn't own up to it

your voice

how about that

you can't

defend with your voice in real time

chances are' amounts to nothing at all

i'm not using my writings as an excuse

but people keep asking you to put it into writing

i never once used my writings as a bluff

and a source of authority

defend my position

beaches

ding bitch ja swazon who's a bit

you want to de bait us

i've asked you to debate an hour

d m me right now on twitter i'll give you the zoomlink

you want to come on zooming debate

you know my chats

what chat you fucking pussy

you purple bitch i'm only seeing purple on the first page

bro you're basically a communizer that's a debate

that's what you call debate you pussy

you calling that a debate

d m i twitter i'll send you a zoom link and come on the fucking zoom

it's

you purple asshole

i'm looking right now i can't find any per

fuck maybe i just don't see it don't call me a bit

i don't even know what the argument is

or what the disagreement is

honor come on arch fuckon

stream and debate us

i don't i don't have i dm

b r b little boy ok let's see ca me little boy let's see what's going on

see was going on

has would you my rad is a bit

stuction i i'm not

how' is the bas us a caktchu because i explained it before i'm not going to do it again

wrate the song

i saw this before on twitter i saw this on twitter

did you see this before

i can't hear you

t

no it sounds cringy though

it's a chinese social media guy's mocking

covert in

us

i saw this

me he to sow s controm sen tried to pl the pw pow nw mean fasce

i think it will be better if you actually

good gouys i me your mikees me your mikes is going to get loud

your my

our first person to actually come on and try to debate thse guys our first person let's see what he's made of

to see what he's made of

see what is made a

is he come me all no

yeah i gave him the link

but let's see

our first guy to come on

you called us a bithe called me a bit

let's see

call me a bit

i'm waiting

i sent you the link

what's going on

you're downloading zoom

ok well we can wait

he's downloading zoom

are there any programmers infrared

think the wat desvis

smoke hash no

was the best wayscribing fred of on interest in my grandparents

don't look at a heart attac

thoughts jest even let me make bay

in for ecomy conveyed through writings it is to enlighten on eastern philosophy

we can be but what concept i don't want to give you dipshits my writings how about that

i phone into the room ok guys me your mikes prepare

he's going to say the and word if he does that i'm go for you tube it's one strike wilready

admit

oh

is it working

oh is it working

are you making fun of my boys

are you making mom i sut the puck up bz sw me your face sow me your face i phone sure sure

with pleasure

ok so what's all that se you wouldre not call me a bit

would you call me a bitz for ha

i guess for me it's

look

i actually really like what you guys are doing oh wy wait wait w

but i take issue i take issue i take issue and i'm commmuting

meeting him for a second

because i'm going to speak my peace

first they talk shit to us in text form

but then they come on to me face to face

and he tells me

i actually really like you guys now you want to be my friend that you see my face

and you see i'm actually talking to you in live stream

what havenen you called me a bit s

well you know you h you know talk a lot of shit yourself and i felt like i had a diffect character

i never talk shoulit to you though i didn't say anything to you we only talk shitl to the people who talk shitl to us

is iphone still with us

he called me a bitch in the chat

this is hilarious

don't don't call me a bitch and then come be my friend at least apologize first in the chat

what happened

he's out

i'm going to d m him one last chance

one last chance

i'm not talking ship for the sake of visage i'm pissed

this guy calls me a pussy

in the chat

and he comes on my stream and he wants to be my friend

have the same energy

have the same energy

have the same energy

common sace

he's charging his form

he's trying to charge his phone ok let him join back then

let him join back

how do you expect people to debate you when you act like this

because you act very rude and disrespectful in my chat and then you want to come be my friend when you talk to me in person

how about that alfred

if you want such a fucking asshole dismissing us as a pothead philosophy

maybe i wouldn't come at you from that angle alfred

but specifically he called me a bitch

you dodn't call me a bit so i would have been easier on you alfa

i'd be a little easier on you alfred

but he called me a bit

what do youven want to debate about

i don't know

yah n know i didn't see anything

he said is moring i didn't shat i didn't see nothing from the purple guy

not i didn't any arguments or any disagreements something that communize a statement that was the only thing i saw

how do you expect peo to debate you when you act like this you don't think you're being violent when you dismiss infrared like how you are in this thread

now you call a skidsws and spit on us and shit on us

you think that's fuck and violen

you think that's also brutal this is what i dedicate my fucking life to

you don't think that's brutal and violent w you guys are doing to me

when i'm just trying to express some meaning

just trying to say something speak some to the first thing people fulk and do is dismiss us and say we're meaningless

take us in bad faith

you can you can disagree with us you can say you don't understand

but don't just call us meaningless this isn't meaningless guys

it's not meaningless

we're not saying nonsense

m

pisses me off

ho is i go ontollegy

i'm not a fan of the aesthetic i'm not a fan of the aesthetic i like mark fisher personally but

i'm not a fan of the aesthetic

that

com and if you listen anyone who apologizes to me for being an asshole this beef is squashed

ok

you apologize beef a squashed

but don't call me a bitch and then at me to act like act like i'm going to be your friend when you come on stream

faceing

don't talk shit

and not apologize and then come on stream and then be nice and be my friend

honestly i spect more of these infrared guys if they make some proper music

we have to be d js now

this infer work as a collective to make your books

it's not infrared's books it's my books that's why

that's why i have to ask everybody and see what everyone thinks

we all do things individually other people have written stuff to

so twenty seven ms hind would be missing on nothing

wonderfos any writings on video games i don't

this person to go to goulag would you go do good much mo

debate time let's see if they have the metal

first person to come in debate hot

is it you did you are not

taking out of context and greet text this bad

how many layers of iron

plays a chinese guy scene

as asist you

what

i said as or did you see this before

because it's from chinese social media

i think they're chinese

i think they're just trolling

fel

they talking a

has you adjason andru his annalysis of the fall economy no

brief

sorry

what do you think of the dalai lama i don't care about

he can

fuck no way i'm this high

pitg

creature

can i feel bad i feel bad

honestly i feel bad

but he called me a bitch you know i'm just an attack mo

know

don't bring don't come at me when i'm an attack mo

apologize for doing something wrong

i'm not an asphole guys i'm not going to be an asphole for no reason

but i am going to defend myself i'm not no biit

understand i'm not ao bit

he must never be allowed

we missed the chance to letendary debate

why don't you debate him like you promised

i think d d r likes us d d r has said good things about us so i don't think d r

is our enemy

so i d d r came on i'd be very polite in respect

people give has a hard time being a mootion on his eus gets matter with yes dd r is a nice guy

if you wants to come on and discuss with us

and expressed subtle disagreements

then i will be very very civil

and i will not

be mad

ok jake

jake wants to redeem himself will not

we are brutal violuntar the police that were hurting i didn't say that ever complained

calling me a skitz so was literally violence

i'm saying i'm just dishin out what you i'm givin back what youve given to me i'm not crying about it

'un likeke you

when are you this easily triggered in your first contact a streamer with

fucking lefty pool

apologize le youole i would but

thousand years of suffering

someone draw this

i'm not an asshole

i'm sorry

i didn't say i'm sorry i'm just saying

don't don't you know don't attack me and the expect

the first ambassador

he wants me to send the the link again

value of hid with thought of martman spends on whatich you

send link here

redeem yourself

first of all

i'm going to give you a chance to apologize

and if you apologize we can be civil

but you got apologize for call me a bitch or else we're not going to be civil

so you apologize for call me a bit then we can be so

i just sent you the link

i just sent you the link

i think he said he can access tritter or something

can' access twitter

i don't know why i'm someone to put in the chat i can't put in the chat and let anyone join

y that's yeah be stupid

i can't put it in the check

give us an e maail give us an e mail

give us an e mail

no i can't send youre

give us an e maail e mail you

my twitter is inaccessible on my laptop

so make a new one

it's not that hard to make it twitter

hold on my phone is back chill wait

when i have twitter again hold on ok

i'm waiting

no i don't want to use thisscurd it's a city

or he's in the waiting room

admitme

you know i can do it to your face you know but i

was hoping to go outside for a second

do you mind if i switch my video off now that you see me

and of sure i like suure

i'll apologize um immediately in fact

okay um

yeah so i mean here's the thing here's the thing you have to understand

that with

this you tube stuff it seems like everyone trades in spectacle

you speak politely

no one listens to you

you act like a diption

everyone listens to you ok this is just a box and you know this too t jake jake do know the bottom of my heart

i did not see any of the first comment of yours i saw

was you saying i'm a communizer and you didn't say anything else

how much w i talk you about mark

you call me what

hid to get park synthesis i'm talking about plenty of stuff see i was politely didn't knowic i'm scooling up the chat

and i don't see you anywhere the first message i'm seeing of you anywhere

so

on my showe i've been here since the beginning of the call

i'm looking right now i don't i only saw you

when you called me a communizer bro you'r basically a communizer

never talked about

we talked about mark was a we talked about what some theoretical the don't m like the first principle it wasn't debate

but then i said i'm annoyed

and that i have a bone to pick with you

on because i think that there are certain things you expect are i remember this you express w are annoyed

how my supposed to know whether you' just annoyed at the way the stream is going

or whether you are annoyed

at

my theoretical whatever you didn't make that clear to me

ok so what if i told you that they're intertwined

that what

they're intertwined

ok my frustrations with the way that the stream is going about it has to do with my frustrations about

um

you know some of the theoretical content

ok go ahead what do you what's your problem

you know i think that when you are contending with these online m ls

you know and you are expecting them to engage with people like heideger and beluse

who they've already been

pt

to wet like we're not

we're not

what i'm expect that in bact you and that is the but i'm expecting them to do

for that is not attack us and dismiss us off the bat they're free to ignore us

but i think i you so are interested

here's the issue i don't want to coue i'm interested but here's i'm interested let me just say this

i'm explain to the issue

issue is this

i know out there on lefty pool

there's a thirst for this kind of new shit

and that's why infrads getting popular

but as infrared gets popular

there's a lot of people on this website in mls who are coming to attack us and trying to kill us in our cradle

that's what i'm responding

i'm not worried about the fact

that there's mls out there who are interested in high deger and delose i know they exist i know they're out there

my beef is with the dogmatic people who are trying to kill us in our cradle and trying to stifle that creative energy

and that thirst for freshness

that we already know what infrared

we already know is out there in the proof is in the pudding

our videos get overwhelmingly positive responses

across the board

this is been a breath of

this is been a breath of fresh air for me i mean just to give you a little bit of context it was so funny for me because i

in school my focus was actually looking at delues and idegeer in relation to marks

um

so yeah i mean this has been fantastic it's been really

really exciting so what do i call what's your name

my name is

my name is renev

um

some people might know me as unamonia but my name is cre

oh i tell you something we tell you

all of the know beef aside me making fun of your voice and shit

i was just really heat i was angry

but i'm going to give you props

you're not a pus

you came on our

sohow

you use your voice

speaking to us directly and plainly

and i respect

i respect you earn my respect

yeah i mean but you still mok my voice that's ok i know i sound like a seven year old girl

but that's besides the point did it i only did it because i was in i was going to mock it either way no matter what you said

because i was angry

perhap

bar cana can i say my thing though

yeah go ahead i

yes so i think that the thing you have to contend with you guys have to contend what is you're taking your cues from you left in

influence or outright new life thinkers and of course imls are going to be alienated that that is not their natural motive engaging

who'se new left

who's new elect toy well i think that you know certain things like you know the um

inclusion of psychoanalysis which i personally trace to stuff like surrealism and bati

i think that that

constitutes a critical element i think that the hideger

mark symnthesis is one of the most critical

a home considerations of the new left

especially in terms of trying to like reconceive of social relations

o and that's of course another conversation about whether that's a concern

and

thelose you know the people who would have been into the new left let's be real you know they're into bills

okay

here's a few issues i have

to me

a new left

is mediated

mediates iw to go through markuz

perhaps

the second issue that csychoanalysis also mediated through the frank

well seems to me by the new lw

things that we're engaging with

psychanalysis

la ca and de lse

already position themselves outside of not only the new left maybe even the left

john

i

bed you was a maowist

yes

yes

but even later on

as he matured he's outside of

to me

i don't

i know what you're trying to say there new thing

but i just think

the things that marxus laners don't like about the new left

which is their obsession with culture

is

not necessarily something that incriminates these thinkers a

we're referring

yeah and you know i think that the misconception right and you know i think

i agree with your frustration about the use of the term mighteism

right

o i think it's grossly misused especially in that thread

on

but you know i think that

the thing that is kind of like

intimidating is i think that ultimately

you're putting forward like we need to radically like reconceive of our consciousness

in terms of how we understand capitalism how we understand socialism

and consequently how we understand our relations and

like it it's very alienating

you know if you haven't been able to sort of think like

these things might be operating simultaneously

or they might even exist in like a kind of strife and antagonism or contradiction with each other

ok but

sorry what

i mean like a

so you're saying

what exists in contradiction

what i mean to say is right i think that you know on

the phrase we live in socialism needs to be acknowledged with something that you exist as and you know simultaneous mode right which is that

there is something about you know capitalism that continues to exist in our society

yeah i agree with

i go

and you know i think you have to spell that out for people you how those two things are in likey kind of battle with each other if you don't want them to like you know be a little pitches

there's but there's two things

two things that have a problem

first is that when we have tried to say that

they call a schizos they say so you believe we live in socialism and capitalism you're schizophrenia

that's what they're going to say

ok

that's just what they say

and because they don't think dialect

the second issue yeah

the second issue concerns the fact it's not necessarily my view that the contradiction is between this socialism and this capital

i think the fact that there's elements of capitalism that have survived socialism is superfluous

i yink

even from marx and engles perspective there's aspects of capitalism

five

the way i'm thinking about socialism

the things that survive about capitals

markets

down

kinds of

circuit of capital itself

yes

i can consider these epicicycles within a larger type of

new

social

to me it's just right it's not

that there's a contradiction between capitalism and socialism the contradiction is

journal

to socialism itself

that's why one of the ideas i have

is an idea of communist civil war

that the main contradiction is internal

twentieth century to world communism with the syno soviet split

that theraight capitalism is kind of the pat

p

that's kind of the endle i'm coming

there's a contradiction within socialism

that is necessary to confront and recognize

face

th

but one still invokes capitalism and i think clarifying in spelling out

what that indication is and why that indication exists

it's critical

why do you think it's good

what your view is

on because of the fact that i think when you meet the socialist a face value right and we can totally frame them you know as this kind of like

on you know

frustrated alienated low level tech worker

or you know the downwardly mobile person who went to the liberal arts college but i do know some people you know who call themselves socialist working as they like bernie whatever

right

you know they've been told

the reason that life sucks right now is because of capitalism

right but that's the issue i have is that

to me in my experience

and the experience i think a lot of other people in infrared

that doesn't hold true for the mass

blaming capitalism is something that is coming from programmers

download

worldly mobile

type of p m c type people

most ordinary people i know working class people

capitalism is abstraction they don't blame capitalism

and maybe from a populistic perspective

they'll even go out of the way to see crony kp

because they can see it's a fake type

free marke

fake type of capitals yes on paper i agree with us abstractly and on paper nobody has an issue with capitalism we all love this idea

of competing on the free market

and you know fighting it out with competce

we all love this a lot of working class weill love this idea

but they can see the system is rigged so they call it crony cap

so i don't the reason i haven't a problem with popular left wing anti capitalism

is because to me

it precisely only does appeal to this kind of

insulated downwardly mobile

mmhmm

metropolitan l

but don't you think that you know if you seek to educate westerners

about you know socialism you kind of need to validate or like vindicate their resentment of what they understand system to be

but a bit here's the thing is that i'm almost a concer

ur jordan peterson conservative

s i don't want to validate their resent i want to tell them to

think positively and keep fighting and keep

always thinking positively never ever give in to resentment always have love love in your heart

i'm thatk so now we're coming down to the essence of my problem with

right i think that the natural conclusion to the people you've referenced and this is why it's made me so happy is what you're describing

right

you know that positive thinking that articulation of whatly become what is tomorrow

you know what is love what is the recognition of another person as a subject instead of an off the essence of alienation

right

and

you know i' b kind of quip it's like it'so

yeah exactly and that's theu right that that is kind of the solution that needs to sort of be made

aware but you know my problem is actually that i feel like

when you've been dealing with critics who don't understand that you've just been better

right where is that positivity where is that showing people

where are we going from here you know for me yes that

is not the solution to that that is not my where do we go from here and that also prorstrated me ok ok we'll get but the first thing i want to say about the reason i have this on the negativity

because

people think we're

you have to prove your

wild

with

world

so

that is going to come with some ugliness

but i'm only smitting i was being thrown back a

but at the end of the day i'm ultimately not bitter

the end of the day for example at the end of the stream

ultimately my view is positive unt

positives little things that

anger and frustrate me but ultimately it doesn't

lead me to a position of existential bitter

you know regarding the e f f

i never said that this is our

well actually there is this kind of theme in our souces of video

that the e ff

the womb is already reconciled all these things that we already live in socialis

the wound is all

organizations like the e f f already do exist

the western leftists need to learn

i think these are all part of the same alley but

i'm curious to hear what are your objections

a with

the e f

on so i think that i agree with you there is a lot to be learned

especially i think that something very clarifying that a lot of people need to understand is that constant

is labor fororm

it's absutely wonderful

you sland on land reform ok sorry

go ahead

it's absolutely lend reform and i mean i think that

they're doing what they have to do at the same time you know this is a party that

emerged out of resentment

you know i think that at the end of the day you know it emerged out of

people taking a militant stance in the n cs youth poingt

right and being resentful of that and i think that at the end of the day they just needed to be maded to

right like abou that was what was necessary at the time

this

me be mad at jacob zuma

okay

right and just agitate

additate additate right but i think

sorry i don't think that's our interpretation i think our interpretation is that

americana massacre disclosed something existentially fundamental about the current order

in a way that has not

it really been revealed

four

concerning this issue of the contradiction of living being

so i don't really agree that it's all anger and bitterness

and bitterness

yeah but i guess why if you listen to the e f f song

you can't really come out and say

they're all about anger and bitterness there's also

a deep element of love for the people that's coming

ou i spent a lot of my childhood in south africa and i actually sang many of those songs so i could certainly empathize with that

um

you know i can certainly empathize with that but i guess for me

right

you know the sites of optimism about the south african situation they aren't emerging from these electoral parties

you know they're emerging from the fact that say the miners union is saying enough is enough you know fuk sak

right you know it's coming from the fact that

you know the communist party is following suit

simultaneously so you're seeing these various institutions

and i not this because of what you say about the c p usa

right and for me i just feel like we need to be looking at the actors making the demands

more so than the people who are currently like sitting in that s show parliament

perfect

loud and clear the first thing i want to say is that

f

it is significant to me though

that the e sf was a splinter from the a andc

that's something and to me the e f f is not a traditional party you're right about that

but even this is something you think about if you want to think critically about the e f

were in no position to

them i'm not in

them

but i wonder to what extent they still take the n c as a

party

for granted i wonder

but that's besides the point

even if they don't want to even if they don't need to take the n c for granted

the reason i look at the c pusa is because i want the left

to have a brand to have a corporation

y

from there a

more fundamental type of what i like to call it is the trace you read lk on so you know what i'm talking a

the new signa fire which is what i consider the

f

i think only after we have our own corporation

can that dialectic be initiated but i understand the stages of

can be a

misleading because this is a kind of stagus thinking

but i think having a corporation

forget about the stages

logic

can at least

clarify for us

where the site of the new signifier in the new meaning is

first we must have our own

corporation our own brand

thor

yeah so i think that actually you know what comes to mind when you bring that up

is um

you know say what you will about bernie sanders but i think a very by the way i apologize there's some trucks going by

cad i go inside

it's a

on

ok

what when

you have the primary in the bottom right

and you have

to

basically union leadership running their mouth claiming that because a little people are being extra on twitter

you know that these people are monsters

right

and you know rank and file goes and they say you know right you know i there are people i wo aren't in the union who need this to

that is what excites me i guess

right and i believe the that carries over to the corporations that you're describing when i think about the rap and rank and file

in say the c the usa or i think what the rankn pile in most organizations even the p s l which is proven to be disappointing you know you see this amazing inspiring sphere in the anking file and then the leadership ist

it's broken

right and how do you get that spirit of the rank and file into leadership

to my question so

regarding bernie senters we actually never were dogmatic about bernie we

have

for a time our group

our

lak ever

s was looking at bernie as our guy for a really long

sorry

was only recently

twenty twenty

kind of late i guess

you were saying ok bernie's done this

pse not

does not

but

yeah i agree yeah but so we were not the type people who you know were hating on bernie

think some of us

were even in bernie's

mes not me

some other

i was i don't find a shameful it's an interesting experience yeah no and i mean i think that right for me something i was recently talking to someone about right was

in policy of course right bernie sanders's policies resemble say

a christian democrat

in germany

on

however the sort of spirit of the socialism and what he was saying seemed to be you know when he said

on day one i'm going to go be with the workers in kentucky

well it's interesting thing you know policy and all that is kind of relative it's not re

a sam

you probably

it's all about what that means in the context

thaterhap

yeah and i think that that is one big part that you sort of need to clarify right because i mean

so for me my big feeling about a lot of these ls

is in a very strange way and i don't mean this literally per se

but you know a lot of m ls

and a lot of black people and also especially

our kind of closet left cons

yeah very true

very true

in so far is right it's all program program program program program

yeah right

and

you know i think the question and maybe this is something that also frustrated

you know me was like

i think

contextualizing you know what the implications of

these various in particular programs are in several countries is important to sort of clarify

how we're living in socialism

and how you know you see itdvancement in ways that don't feel aesthetically compelling

to a lot of the people who sort of are vis really responsive to the way that you're approaching it

and you know it is a method right that is ultimately dialectical and you know

is certainly scientific socialism in the spirit of like wistenshof

but you know some people

hate us

because you know this from a con so you know con on you're that you're like a theory

i don't have to

use detours

ind of do their who know

so i can just

states

donn out direct

you know very well

that people find ways

joy

what is even by their own standards

failed

few time

pleate dead and type of position

i've always noticed

left

including west

and nose

that they've learned

enjoy

there

complete

depraved

failed position

and that's the source of their hatred of

or people like infrared

they hate us and they have all this dogmatism toward us

because we're ruining their circuit of july sonts we're ruining it for them we're taking it away from them

and we're forcing them to

confront to the cash trading in dramatic big old wide world

in a way that they're just not comfortable with

so

that's where a lot of the frustration stems from a lot of these people are not innocent

most of them the people who listen let me tell you something what i've observed from our chat

most of the people who are with us and like us

actually are not

from established backgrounds at all

they're actually type of new people they're new people

yeah

the people who hate us

are the people who have been entrenched

on nerds i don't want to offend but

there are those th you probably notfended by the

they are those type of nothing

i

who have been who have learned how to enjoy what is an objective failure they've learned how to enjoy adapted

and that's why they hate us so much

mhmm

but i think you know is there not a place where you can empathize with that because for me right you know and

i think

that there is something to be said about like fiercely holding kind of tightly to this distinctive method

right why is it that you guys are committed to calling yourselves andmls as compared to say communist

well right like what is it about the like you know about the russian revolution

and you know that subplation

of the sort of german theoretical basis reconciling

you know the fact that the trenan revolution in itself failed like that is so appealing to you that you're willing to bring in all of these guys who rejected the soviet union

end of the conversation again

well i

to me

marxism leninism is we identify with it for the opposite this is another point i forgot to give you the opposite reason that most

for us this is not a hardcore

ultra radical thing

it's almost the type of centrist position

glive in the today's global context for us

we have the rtter center

mark exactly marxism leninism is just a baseline acknowledgment it's where you begin from

it's an index of definite historical experience

of the twentieth century and the contemporary era because we do consider

socialism with chinese characteristics

part of

i

furthermore but you know i also wanted to say something about the communist party

you know the reason we even got in

entertain this idea of the c p s a and i don't even think this was my idea i think this was asra

someone else's idea

s maybe

luka and i yeah yeah you and lucas idea

this is like a year or two yeah

and the reason we even entertained it

was precisely because we considered the c p usa a marxist cent

we considered it

not not on the basis of its politics don't get us wrong about that

because they're kind of cunse yah

there clinton nights in

there are even more

they're even the

mainstream by the standards of the mainstream there against bernire with hillary

yah of course they had the fuking thous the and bargain during the new deal and you know they never looked back

yeah exact that's the other thing with the popular we discuss all this stuff

but

you know for us it was because the brand had such

entrenched name recognition in america even if you have negative communist party

you know why not have that simplicity yes we're the communist party

as simple as that

the plain old good old communist party

and i think that's a ping it's really powerful that

begin from so

i i think i want to make a quick points here um

mhmm

i think parts of the um

o

struggle i guess all thed

ahsah

om

mmhm

and

ya i think its u unavoid

the

ohsmud

message

because we're we're

our video's viewed by all kinds of

people um not just quit achol

and for cheeple ex lose them

or communism means toer st things like has ins said

does

um lot of people who real reand but the

um but paradox in fact not not paradox school buts only um

on the opposite side people who are new to this people on on merits

sefrop

ok

um

people

ordinary people when they hear

like communism when i hear socialism it means something very differently but in some sse more true

to its meanings din many of the online leftists or

like yeah

especially american when they hear socialism

h there were present something

more true because they know that socialism is something more deeper more profound than formal definition of ownership of means production and communism or something more real than something just airy firy

a sugar coats whatever like state of society

and the interesting thing what we are interested in this is

they are already familiar with it on the deep

deeper almost s sub conscious level and with the legitimacy

of american liberalism that's currently being destroyed yeah

by trump and also by

uh by the democratic party right now and you to a large degree by the left really um

but because there are units

rem beginning s was

urs of the space which people may look into

so i guess we we're not just doing this for the lefty pole people that's all want to o of course yeah yeah yeah i think

yeah

you know i mean

and i think that you know i guess

what i bring up when i think about it in relation to that right and i think about this

well actually does sort of walk back initially on what you were saying about how i think

you know let's say

the the

unobsessed person might

right

so i guess what i sort of think about

in that context is the trace socialism is when the government does stuff

oh

and you know what i find interesting about that right and you know let's take this in contrast to say i

you know the framework of

you know what communism will be right the abolition of state the abolition of money so on

right

you know whereas one

seems immediately like tile the havether one seems like possibility

well yeah yeah i mean

that's another thing too is that i actually like the government's ow stuff

definition i don't like any de

but i prefer that one

beuse

saying a society is money was in class was

isn't saying anything at all

just speaking negative

that doesn't tell you anything about

what it is what the

implications

positive being

communism as

for me

those implications cannot be

drawn out

by giving doctrinaire you know

definitions and depictions of a future sidy but only by the example

of the

definite and concrete position in relation to reality for example

if communists were to rise to the challenge of taking a political position

a positive one

similar to jimmy doores force the vote something like that i't maybe it's not a good example

but something along those lines

then eventually the meaning of what it means to be a communist would be proven by example

a threat of definite

practical working examples and pe would say those are what the communists are and people would connect the dots

and see how it's consistent

you know

m

not

yeah and i mean but i think

what needs to sort of come alongside that right you know and the two examples actually i think of the usa and i think you guys have brought them up both

right are the black panther party with

you know free lunch programs and then simultaneously the c p usa with

you know the credit unions

that they historically built up in the early twentieth century

right right and i think

part of the way that you know you cann help people understand that communism

right and i think that this is another thing right you know when you call yourself a communist you can say

we are trying to even push towards dispblation of socialism

and i think that that's you know something that's worth noting

it's there is that but there's also a thing that we think there's also a wisdom of socialism and socialism with chinese characteristics

we've we've identified that at the level of this issue of

sorry this is some bullshit

on my screen popping

we are we identified that at level this issue of individualsm

this radically dynamic

the supra individual market processes in this

this creative destruction of so called unique to capitalism

we consider this a dialectic in a process that is not halted

with socialism but

we're in a sense accelerations we believe its

acceleration s yeah and communism is the essence of that acceleration

yeah

i mean at the end of the day right you know i think that i

a kind ofix what the whole acceleration is wanting history to charge forward

oh

you know

if you by the way you if your name sounds somewhat familiar you you knowmdia

are you on twitter with a name

yes i'm on twitter

so you're adjacent to the acceleration

crowd h

no

no i don't have any crowds

really i think i've seen you use your handle before youunemdia

i mean it it's like you know a catchy philosophy turn

so

you sad it sounds so familiar sounds so familiar

don' i think i've

senior

sothing i maye

oh sorry go

but yeah i mean m

sure but i think at the same time you know and this is another thing right with the m l crowd

in socialism chinese characteristics

is i think something that does need to be contended with in the dialectic is that

you know what is going on

of recent

in china

is a

leward turn that i think when you look historically is rather surprising

and i think that if you really want to sort of make the case for socialism with chinese characteristics which i bring up because of the fact that i think it's another element which is

you know

triggering people

on you know is you have to contend with so for example like you know what do you make of the fact that you know state owned enterprises became fortune five hundred companies

right

and

you know what does it mean that it was only

several years into you know the shi regime

or do she you know

government party government

um

that you started seeing that wor turn

right what happened do what to right and how do we sort of

contend with the fact that they were

going in a direction that really felt as if it was socialism for the rich

and now suddenly we're seeing something change sorry i

i i miss osing

into the years what was

what we see left to orders

left word

yes

oh okay okay well this is i think i would uh approach that

first i think to me i'm going to speak individually to me socialism with chinese characteristics

's not a volunteeristic

thing i want to implement inan americ know

i don't look at it of course yeah what i see it as i i see it as a fundamental challenge

to western marxs

that they have not

made sense of theoretically or just did the they have not justified how this is not socialism

believe it or not

where i was coming from originally my position

was that i wanted to critique socialism with chinese characteris

prove how

according to marxism

this is a deviation

but i soon learned this is not an easy thing to do

and eventually i

came to appreciate the wisdom of socialsm the chinese characterists

umhum

regarding these issues of

the fortune five hundred

i think this even calls to question

i mean this is actually kind of the crux of why i say we live in socialism

even something we have money and

profitability these are

all to me these seem more and more

and

ephemeral information based signal based

not really indicative of

golden

and quite literal it's not backed by the gold

money

right

yeah i mean i think

to some extent right you know the

in terms of like if we're thinking about it in terms of like

america

right you know it feels like the two turns you could argue right make that sort of socialism for the rich right are the introduction of

fiat

and then secondarily like the kind of con done by reagan that we're going free market but really what we're doing is cutting taxes and

creating a debt that we will never get out of

but that's fine in a way you know i've i've written things

as outrageous as that reaganism was the first type of american social

absolutely i completely agree with you

you do work

now i'm do look i'm with you

i'm with you that's exactly why i'm prorustrated

yeah i've said reaganism was the american socialism because it's the first type of a

i don't i don't like saying atheticization of politics in benjamin sense of fascism

but there is an aestheticization of politics unique to socialism as well just in the sense that the

politics becomes libid inalize you know what that

right

yes of course and i mean i think that you know we now face

write a world in which that was so internalized and imprinted

right which i think speaks to its remarkable capacity as an it thatticization in the first place i think it was actually henry kissener i don't remember where the article was

who was speaking on margaret thatcher and

you know he said

the remarkable feet

of toap thatcher was that she was not only able to shift the conservative party but to shift conservatives and labor

yeah

you know to me this whole neo liberalism thing this new decentralized supposed decentralization

to me the only reason this was possible is that

mike

china

it was because state socialism was already so profoundly state corporate socialism was already so profoundly consolidated

that the next step of privatization to me privatization presupposes

the consolidation

socialism before

and that's also why i'm

i i

cannot really

why before i had such a hard time critiquing socialsm with chinese characterist

simply is this

if the only program of socialists today

is to renationalize

what has already been privatized before

how is that the actual site of the social common

you know what i mean by that

how is the fundamental side of our social commons

something that has already been privatized

isn't the side of our social commons which is to be nationalized

something more fundamental than these privatized

you know i'm saying what this or not

well i mean i guess

like maybe the way that i don't understand it is in relation maybe to socialism or chinese characteristics

so are you sort of

with say a state owned enterprise are you understanding that as a

this kind of complication of the notion of a public and private comments

no i i think

i think that interest the wonder interesting thing about also the chinese characteristics is that

a state own enterprise means something entirely different to my knowledge

china

far more dynamical there far more

a contemporary

up to date their post neo liberal so to speak

but the

no completely not that they are the best managed state owned enterprises in the world barn

but what i mean to say rather is that the

are real

social comon

relevant to socialism

it's always something necessarily

out of our purview subterrestrial

hidden accluded

and the whole thing is that socialism brings it to light brings it to surface so' to me

how can our social commons be something that has already been disclosed as our social common

which is these companies that have been private

isn't our real and actual material

social common

something that has to be discovered a new

how can it just be rep renationalization

well this is why i kind of feel like you know you've arrived at the kind of like

and when i seyew left like what i'm saying is like

you know you're picking some pretty hippy dippy people to talk about ohh don't get me wrong i'm not against nationalization i just don't think

it's enough

no no no but like i mean i think more so what i'm saying right is um

it leads to a sort of consideration of a very difficult subject right which is

how do we

and this isn't like cultural

right because i'm thinking about on like almost the material level of it right but how do we engage with each other

how do we interact with each other and the we say like realizes that would you say you're thinking more about this kind of

i don't want to call it psychological but this more

libd in a love

level of collective reality

yah

yeah you don't get me wrong

you're one hundred percent up

up our alley here

we've never said it publicly yet

because we do we don't we want to

we don't i've i never used le cane or deloz in terms that much publicly

because i think

whenever you use psychoanalysis or stdraw from psychoanalysis explicitly

people interpret you from a university discourse

spect

and even lakonians fall victim to this

most people interpret call through the university discourse is a form of psychiatry

es it's so easy who to make that mistake

but

ultimately

the reason we had such a profound interest in the e

the the reason the

we're coming from the strange background that we are is we

because we think

that the e f f is operating at this site of the higher

i don't like to say psychical psychological

reality but it's at this kind of

to use the hippie to be term astral level of

collectivity

yeh digital and it's all corresponding to this

we're definitely up the alley of the kind of

landian acceleration is delusans this

tech

technophile delusiion type people we don't

and i'm not dogmatically bound by them

it's not iorant to us you know

yup

that the see that's interesting

i don't know i feel like i'm taking up too much of your time so maye i do not get bauk gon to se not honest to god you're not this is been a wonderful conversation and you know what

i you made me feel really bad for like making fun of you and

coming that you attacking you well i don't know what shit you were speaking like you know when my phone was dead

but that's fine i was just complaining all i was doing was complaining

that

i was complaining about what you calling me a bitch that's all i was doing

but

basically i

you know

i want to say this to everybody

you know guys

if you actually show yourself

pose yourself with

honor

i not only do i respect that so much i encourage it i want people to put themselves out there i want to encourage people

have the confidence to put themselves out because

the more we can do this the more powerful we become guys to these bred to guys

they're not as pow as you think they just have the confidence to put themselves out

this person youun knowmodia

they made their own channel and put

put themselves out there like this that easily or surpasse bret tou and shit they're so knowledgeable

i know they're knowledgeable

they know what i'm talking about when i talk to them

they don't call me a skitz so like how left people does

because they have a conference with them sout there they could easily grow big

and we could easily thrive and create our own network

and we don't have to agree on everything but

i want people to put themselves out

you know i'm saying i want to discourage people and make fun of people

but at the same time

you know i also am a very emotional person

so when i'm being attacked and stuff sometimes it's hard for me to

mistaken the enemy for

yup

i know because i know it's like it's a it's a cruel world out there you know it's a cruel and and brutal world yt you know

n and i love talking shit like don't get me wrong you know i'm happy to it if necessary

oh but i

yeah you know i think if i i

if i were to say something to the left py pole people listening

in the audience

on

who you're speaking to because it's certainly not everyone

o it's certainly not everyone it's actually the only place on the internet where

i can kind of sit back relax and chat with people about the things i care about in a comfortable way which i think is its real but

never let your world vie inhibit your curiosity

i don't call people skizos just because you don't understand something

agrees that one hundred

use everything to grow it

and also i think part of me thinks they like it when i'm getting triggered and stuff and that's why i kind of

don't tone it down because i feel like everyone is entertained it's all con

i'veons having a good

no no no it's really funny you know i mean clearly everyone's coming out to like see what's going on

you know i

and i think in many ways

you know

the good thing about you know getting all worked up right and if people go like come on

in like a productive and like exciting ways like i imagine that's how you want to grow in

exactly yeah it ultimately does come down to that we are just trying to really grow

so far we've been very

but

to be honest we don't have a secret sauce

fewer as knowledgeable as us

it sounds like you are up or how you you are very knowledgeale

you know

someone like you could do really well i

know

you mayb be even better

but

it's just a matter of putting yourself out there and i respect so much how you came on you actually had a conversation

because

i can't tell when these people are anonymous

i can't tell if they're just trying to waste my time

but clearly you're not

know clearly

you actually are about it you proved you were about

you know you were actually had something to say

yeah

and you know i do want to show some love

you know at a place that's been a great solace to me during qluarantine

on

you know and say that there are a lot of people out there on that site who like actually have a lot of love and respect for you guys

we know we can see it we can see our

you know

and like you know i i see that you can also see that those are the people who are really engaging

on

and

i think

and it's true of these people too right i think they also get salty and they derive a pleasure from resenting

some of the more close minded you know positivist minded

angle my deck

on people

right but you know i think that

you know even more important than converting anyone is clarifying among ourselves you know what is our dynamic approach

right you know is it a belief or is it a method

right is it

you know

a goal or is it a tool or is it both

and if so how do you make it both

yeah i mean

we're definitely on the hidh to gar in term

turn so

we want people to get out of the

mentality of

tools

using things in

how do i get from a to b and more think about

where are we in the first place

yeah

now i mean maybe even more accurate than that right is i think a lot about that two thousand and one to space odyssey right at the very beginning dawn of man

you know when

you know you have the cavemn like see the monolith and then grab the tool and like that's the beginning

i disagree with that assertion that the tool is that beginning moment or agriculture is that

right i think that

the beginning moment is actually when you know

human as hunter gatherer meets wolves

and they recognize that reflexively a collaborative process

to nourish themselves

will yield far more reward for everyone

than an individualistic approach the movie is profoundly american

know this whole thing of

beginning with

rule

yeah

and gubrit haated the left

itself

mmhmm

so yeah on that maybe i should head out you know i just wanted to chat some questions i'm sorry for like being a braw waymunicated in let me apply you know you don't know how bad

you made me feel like

i'm going to go to sleep

you shouldn't feel like shit i mean i think we had a great conversation and the least you you know recognize that my bitches weren't like necessarily calling you a bit

yeah i was just in the defensive

tac mode you know

yeah no it' fun

yeah and you know i think that at the end of the day it's great for someone to be talking shit on bosh and destiny at all times

and you know all of those like market socialist fuckers and like you know they need to know like we're ready for you

he're literally ready for yus come it's just come it's definitely a case of the bigger fish to fry you know

the ultimately these are like the final bosses

yeah

yeah absolutely yeah you know keep doing it i'm a supporter

i just wanted to you know sort of

saye might piece butt how the audience might be receiving it

as offense

yeah and hopefully i'll talk to guys later and listen emil us and if you want to have more conversations with se will always be able we wont always be able to do it on the fly

will always be able to at least schedule a time

and then

if we're on stream

we're just chilling

usually if you want to come and say your peace and

maybe even argue with us you know

now that i can i have the ability to be respectful and

you know absolutely and i mean it's all very interesting you know people are finally

talking about the area on a fucking stream like real theory like this is theory

yeah yeah yeah

and it's fun it's like you know we're thinking about who we are

right yeah

ok i appreciate you so much you know right you have have anyth i gots anything you want to shot out any kind of like

yeah you know i

check out my instagram

to see pictures of my cat

on

i will posted and chat when i get off

ok for sure ok thank you so much for coming on yeah have a good night

you got all our respect

appre have a good night i was actually a great conversation

yeah it was a pleasure of a good night

goodnight

wow guy see guys you can be respectful

yeah

in be respect

i

should i should i check the rest of lefty pool

but i don't think should waste time and we give them you knowohing attention

okay guys

for the love god nobody do this

what if someone

posted

the debate socimanda was really good

ok

all right guys i think that's its

for the

lefty pool

so we're back

in the full screen

so like com like comverceal such a pleasant surprise

yeah yeah very pleasant surprise

i thought i honestly thought

that were going to have someone come on and just start screaming the endword

i thought he was throlling through i thought i thought he was trolling of the first but i didn't know i didn't know what to expect

what are your thoughts on street activism

o

generally i

ambivalent towards it

as a c e o of left wll you were officially one of us ees

nice

yeah dude wll will check

we'll check this thread

next time to

but i don't know if we can devote this much time to it like

so we're going to have to be very selective about what you read next time

but we'll check it out

the next stream as well

i

what do you guys think is a good stream

should ended here

uh yeah i was i'm getting kind of hungry

going to go in tenner heon

i got to eat as well

but guys it was a great stream

i don't know if i'm going to stcream tomorrow guys

but on hundred percent saturday

we're going to gs going to be lit

saturday we have so much fun saturday

all right

this streams e going to happen saturday

i mean unless i have really bad luck

but

think we're going to cap it off here and i'm going to try to have some of the lined up for saturday as well

i'm still not sure if i should do that another educational one saturday

maybe i'll say that for next week

but

ah yeah

or we going to keep this one

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thank you

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