KHAN OF KOMBAT [2022-02-17]

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hi okay

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before we start

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i need to fix my fucking sleep schedule this is a fucking nightmare i've been waking up at four every single day

this is a fucking nightmare this is a crisis this is a crisis ok i got to do something about this i can't keep fuking living like this it's fucking horrible i need to yeah four pm every fucking day right it's fucking everything up fucking everything up ok so i got to figure that shit out fix that before anything you know first and foremost

ok second of all i need you guys to to

i need info because no one could tell me this when i was banned on wwhitch so i got banned on switch for seven days and i still do not have a clear answer from this i tried e mailing to wwitch and no one could fuking tell me right so i need someone who knows something to tell me this i asked fucking destiny he wouldn't tell me he wanted to trol instead no

no one will tell me i cannot fuking find this out if i am i don't want you guys to guess either don't fucking sit here and guess in my chat and shut i just want you to know if you don't know it for one hundred percent certay s of the fok of if i am a partner on twitch

can i stream to you tube when i'm not streaming to twitch am i allowed to stream on you tube i'm not saying simultaneously i'm just saying separately no no really i'm sorry what so

what that's he got dee partnered i think he got dee partnered because

that i was guaranteeing this contract g because you know what if i'm not allowed to that's such that's so fucked up so because i get a check mark

i mean let me just tell you it's not really

that's really fucked up

because let's just say the perks to partnership

i'm not going into details i'm just saying that's like a fuckin

that's a that's a really big

you know i have to email them or something right because

i got to e mail them or something right because that's just fucked up man just fucked up

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and the reason i'm saying this is because

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finding

i emiled them asking them this and what they told me is that they gave me this really vague language like i'm sorry we cannot provide you any further interpretationation check the partner contract and what falls under some some shit right in the the contract does not say anything clear doesn't say anything right helpful which you know it's so annoying i e maailed twit

and it's like it's a very yes or no type of thing am i going to get in trouble you guys give a fuck and instead of being helpful they use this loyerly language like

we cannot interpret the details of your partnership contract

please consult section four of section five or some shit and i went to that section and there's nothing right

so it's like that's just so annoying right

it's at their discretion to terminate your contract or not

and the reason i'm saying this is because i've been thinking about you tube a lot i don't know why but i kind of wonder you know it would be kind of nice maybe if i start switching it up like some days just stream on you tube some days stream on which because i just kind of feel

like it's kind of a cycle you know like which is very domesticated and tame you tube's more wild and i kind of want to make it a cycle you know like the last time the last big boost in growth i got i think was because i was on you tube i's kind of what i'm thinking like i go to you tube to get a lot of exposure and then i bring them back to twitch in domes

diicate them and then it kind of stagnates a little bit and then i go back to you tube you know i mean it's like it's like a dialectic right and yeah i need to collect more gorillas on to basically more like because they're not here on wwitch they're just not like which is such a very insulated environment right in all the communities here it seems like

they're all established already right it's like it's very hard to let me let me explain to you why which is a problem right

it is very very okay one's if you're from youtube two's if you're from twitch

onesday you fun you from youtube twoday far from twitter

look at that look how much of my fucking community came from you tube oh wow that's that's why i'm getting this some do a pull do a pull yeah you see what i'm saying it's like a lot of you are just people i brought over right a lot of you are just

brought over you know and i kind of feel like the time to go back to you tube is now right and then i'll come back to twitch but i kind of feel like it's you tube time right i kind of feel like i want to go back to you tube right i won't because i'm in this partnership contract but the wi help actually believe

it or not i was growing even before that video as far as i remember yeah a lot of people only got which because of me and you know what i'm going to tell you something being this is what i've learned actually is that being where i am it's very

so all of the communities on which are established communities right it's very difficult to grow on to which a community but it's very easy to establish one right so for example which makes it very easy for us to have our own e modes and to have our own means and music and you know

as settled established community but which is very hard to grow a community right yeah some came from czircus some caame f detity but those are all established communities from the the raj days right seems like wwich is a monopoly that's that's already captured right

and if you're just starting out you tb honestly seems like it's just better to grow the problem with you tube is that eventually the growth hits a limit and you want to go to twitch to can you know it's a good dialectic right i think it's worth the risk

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ah i i don't know what i i'm going to you know what i'm going to fuck and email them one more time

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i need a fucking email the one more time

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because i am just

i'm so upset about how how big their response was last time i'm going to emil them again so let's see

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and if i am allowed

if it's not a violation of my contract

i might

i just i might in fact i don't know bullet is a partner

i oh she is i may in fact just go to you tube for like a long time maybe like a few weeks a week or two

completely and maybe i'll test it out like i'll stream once or twice and i'll grab some more gorillas from you to right because having my own community growing my own communities very hard on which right the community i have now came from you right

so yeah it's a dialectic

o like goodbye bye

why not multi stream rather than committing to a single platform at a time you cannot multi streams a as a partner

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i just came here i just came here n

aready chairman i'm sorry that's a stupid idea this is stupd can you please use your head when you think me if you're going to look if you're going to fk me and you at infrared soo make sure you use your head don't say some stupid thoughtless shit that's going

like just be insultingly stupid ok we there is not enough revenue to support multiple shore runners right now ok so what you're saying is we divide our community and we divide the revenues being realistic so none of us can go full time it's fucking stupid right

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but if you're not allowed to stream to you tube at all then i might email twitch and see about what of my more my options are basically because this is not been good guys it's not been good that the whole month of february look at my views right now like this is not good right again once in chat if you came from yout

right like most of you came from you tube right so this it's like this is like a wake up call that the dialectic needs another it's time it's time it's time for that other fucking cycle here and i talked about this cycle before and

and you know this is like not lucrative anymore right it's just like there's been there's been a decline here on which that it's not just stagnating anymore

i'm actually losing a lot of viewers i'm not going to bitch about it because i get it it's the three hundred spartans whatever that's what i have

but if i want to seriously grow

my shit i have to like

i have to draw from a broader audience than what which has right now right and then i'll come back to twhich you know because twich is the best streaming platform it's just not the best one when it comes to when it comes to growing right it's the best one for have

having a community but it's not the best one for growing a community why because there's not a lot of diverse opinions on which it's like a very much it's a gaming platform which means people are going to be you know gamers are like a monolith when it comes to their political views like they're very like read it and pro establishment and shit

and that's just how it is right that's just how it is like i can i feel this the steps calling me i feel the step i feel the grasslands calling to me my horse

is ready we've been settled for like a year here and which is great be wrong but we need to go out and conquer in shit you know we've got to go make some conquests we've conquered everything here and the lord needs to ride out you know what i mean we've got a ride out it's just what i'm feeling inside that's just what i'm feeling

i can't tell i can't explain it to you this is what i feel inside right the law of the gatekeepers the dialectic must be reinitiated you know youll feeling what i'm what i'm feeling here

got to saddle up we already got what we came for and we're going to come back but i want to cycle out and keep growing this way right i don't want to move anywhere i'm just saying it's a dialectic i do whatant i would like to go to you tube to grow my community more and

then come back and then reconsolidate and then go back and reconsolidate and that's a dialectic right it's the dialectic of no mads and settled i hate the fucking voice sorry

no i'm not going to fucking streem i'm not al streaming because i want all of my people in one place i want one unified community one unified guerrilla army only one one one guerrilla army we go other

places one guerrilla army

i'm debating some guiy

aright

we can debate now

we going to be debating a guy right now about china's economy

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see what they're going to tell me but i could go back i don't you guys feel like it's time for you to but you feel like it's time

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and twitch should not be getting mad in shit about this because i'm bringing them back here right when we go make all our conquests on you tube we're going to go ahead and bring them back here wwich it just sreams i need to get more views not necessarily it's just that

it's just what i would grow it's just that's the like a better avenue for growing and getting new people right you can get a lot of new people on on you and it's a lot less you know stringent over there reach new people that's exactly it and maybe i won't grow on you tube i don't know maybe this is like i just want to see i want to thak you spirit

it's very possible that i'm not going to go on youtube either right and that there's a bigger problem at hand but i just want to see you know i want to see if i could if it's because the platf

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yeah this is a fucked nightmare man

like at this look i was thinking it's a flue

like they're up and down in shit but now i've realized

that

yes officially speaking

switch growth

is declining

twitch is declining one hundred percent

it's absolute it's like the yeah this is a fuck and decline

um

you wouldn't be able to rely on subs on eatub without having a member them

i don't not worried about that

ok

i'm not worried about that

but

i'm going to debate some guy right now

about

china

china's economy

all right

some' going to bring him in

and we're going to debate about china's economy

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can hear

yeah canew

ok gret

thanks uh so ya thanks for uh

except in a debate so basically

uh you know just ran across some of your videos and i like you know some of the analysis that you've done in china but i think you're just missing a few key points so just sort of wanted to debate that

come

okay

so i i've watched some of your videos and a lot of your debates seem to be sort of disor like unorganized so

i kind of got three points that i sort of wanted to touch on

so i kind of want to summarize that and then maybe we could go through each of them

chair

all right so one

i have so i say china is flourishing because i think china is a techno cra cy and not necessarily because they're marxist leninists

um that's my first point

uh two

would be that i think america can sort of adopt this

technocratic approach more

and sort of do better than you know where america s you know currently stands

and then three

why i don't think chinese polarity is good sort of

is going to encompass the first two points so

so yeah those are my three points so i guess do you want to get started with one my

my first point on

why i think china is flourishing and it's because it's a technokra sy so i think the

i think china really uses their technologi as well of course the central government has a lot of control over

you know all of their businesses and all of their tech businesses specifically

and i think they're able to sort of gather that data

with no restraint like maybe in the us

am really able to use that information to sort of

control and you know control their population and so i think that's sort of one of the reasons why they're more efficient

and i don't necessarily think

that you know even if they weren't marxist leninists

i think they could still you know they would you would still see growth similar to what we've seen

so the first question i have to ask is are there examples of tech

technokrisies in history that are not marxist leninist

uh i would say no not really i ca kind of see

south korea and maybe

you know not not a strong not the strongest example i would say

to be honest china is the strongest example of a technocracy

um

but i don't ne again i don't necessarily think that

being marxist leninist

like i could see america being a techno cra sy in its own way

or like other developed countries

it doesn't necessarily have to be just marxislan in this country

so can you please what do you mean by a technokorsy what does that mean

oh and soon someone of chaz a singapore that's not a terrible example but n don't worry about chat but what it would to you is an example of a technokracy

yeah basically so the elite the ruling class basically

being you know

cultivated based on

technical skills and engineering skills rather than

you know some sort of other

uh criteria like you know political affiliation or whatnot so just really

you know like engineers and technical people really moving up the

the latter into the ruling class

okay um

and

so why is it that you think in china specifically as opposed to the rest of the world

there is a cultivation of engineers as opposed to like political ideologists or lawyers as in the case of the u

that climb the ladders

yeah so i i don't necessarily think that china explicitly went out to do this

i think it's i guess in a way they did there's a book out there

uh i can't recall uh oh um yeah there's a book out there

that i recently read that sort of touches on china and it's it being a technokra sy but basically the book

summ you know the summary of the book basically is that

there there's there's some confucius h

philosophy that sort of

uh you know sort of states that it that it likes

to you know that the that the ruling class basically should be

based on you know skill and you know technical you know just skill and just intelligence in general right so i think sort of some of their confusion and other

you know more religious

you know philosophies have sort of

naturally you know combined with you know their marxist leninist views and sort of sort of it happens to be that you know they they it sort of happened to be like the perfect storm uh but i don't again i don't necessarily think them being marxist leninist exclusively is the reason why

that you know that that they've sort of adopted this technocratic

approach um you know like i said i think the u s is an example south korea

other examples singapore japan i think those countries can also

to be you know take a more of a technocratic approach as well

right but those countries are not what i would call

m

i'm inventing this word multi they don't

have an ability to deal with the multi cyclical

um

booms and busts of their economy when they have long term trends of decline and stagnation

they don't have the ability

as in the case of china to reinvigorate their economy and offset

these kind of falling rates of profit

so it seems to me that in the case of south korea and japan and those countries

when there is an economic miracle it's a one sh it lasts temporarily and then when there's a decline the decline seems to be long term

right yeah but i think it's because

the financial

institutions are really what controls like more the liberal countries right but

that you know that we've never had a real society

well again maybe except china

where the technocrats

or the engineer types are the ones that are actually engineering the economy

it's the financial class that does that in liberal countries but my argument would be that if there was more engineer types they would kind of foresee the debt cycles

and address themcording right but you know what the problem with

having a so called techno cra sy is

is that

there is a great deal of politics and legitimacy in statehood

it is non technical

that's based in something kind of spiritual right it's the connection between the people and the state

and it's also the overall intentions of the state

in the first place what does the state actually want to do

um

in a non technical sense like here there's you can't explain

this technically because the intention is human

is your goal to maximize the welfare of your people and advance your economy

well then how do you go about giving purpose and meaning and explanation to that in a nontechnical sense

so while china

is ruled by engineers in terms of

the people who are carrying out the policies

the ones who are actually responsible for the overall orientations in the chinese economy

are

um

ideologists write spiritual ideologists

who draw from this kind of populist legitimacy from the chinese people so

there's a balance in china between the kind of technocratic

engineers who are just

you know getting things done and making sure it works

and on the other hand

the kind of smare spiritual or even moral

guidance

provided by the party leadership

andyeah i meanre party without the party leadership i would argue that

china china's um

technocracy if you're going to call it that would not work

well i know you're explaining how china is but i sort of

i sort of think that that ideology portion is sort of limiting them to be honest i think if they went full technocratic

and sort of you know obviously this is not going to happen because they are marxed as a leninist i guess ideologically but if they somehow was the you know were able to get rid of it so

i think they would

grow even more you know so what

in what ways is the ideology

impeding china's development

well i think political ideologies in general

and peete you know

the more science a you know the more science what are specific examples in china

i mean you know if at the exp you know if the chinese people saw that

that you know tech companies for example were

sort of violating the you know the rule you know violating some sort of

human rights with its people they might step in and sort of uh stop any sort of progress that goes on you know whatever example that is you probably have seen examples of that like let's say like limiting video gaming or something uh for a certain you know age range like that that could technically hurt

and not that you know this is not the greatest example but

you know something like that would technically interfere with

do you know the the

the revenues of these tech companies and if it was you know i that example was sort of a

in our

another you know it's not the greatest example but that ex that's an example of one where you know the chinese government saw that as like a

a negative to the people and so they sort of stopped it

so

um

if

well to me that's the paradox of

of technocracy right because technocracy cannot account for the purpose

of

the rule of the technical engineers for what

se a technic

a technique right i don't want to get too much into like derailing but

technique is based on what it's based on technique the word technology comes from the greek technique right which means to be able to

reproduce or replicate some kind of form

right

so

this is something that is subordinate though to

the logos right which is the overall purpose and the overall reason

or

um the technique

right

that gives its actual

purpose

so

i cannot see how a technocracy can ground its own rationality

for what reason

are we we

ah

engaging in this

technology

what is the reason for it

well i guess the purpose would just be to run the economy or run the country as efficiently as possible

i

i guess that would be the end goal and that's sort of the why s see mean exactly

so just you know profitability for the country overall country you know i guess some countries most countries measured in gdp you know there's obviously other metrics like purchasing power and whatnot for it citizens but basically the country initially extracting as much you know resources as possible

ok i can give you an example though of how that might

be a problem

or

the country

and mak actually that it's paradoxical it's actually the same reason why capitalism has internal contradictions

so

there are periods of chinese policy making where they have to implement policies that actually harm

profitability right that put the country in debt

to build infrastructure and so on

and meanwhile the accumulation of super profits

um

profitability itself does not address

the actual human needs and human wants and longings of the population

a itself

if profitability is going to be measured formally right if we measure profit for example in terms of money

were in terms of some kind of numbers

then this will actually

inevitably come into contradiction with the actual profitability of wealth in general of actually producing things

so sometimes in order to have more things this has to come at the expense of the way in which you measure

well

rights to have more wealth

you often have to implement policies that come at the expense

of profitability in in the symbols of wealth

which is money

yeah i mean that's something youchinese government is well aware of

yeah i mean that is true but for example like you know tech companies in the u s for example they build infrastructure right you can make an argument that they probably could build infrastructure

right now better than the us government could

so i don't necessarily think that

you know

infrastructure wouldn't be built

if engineers ran the country

i i think they would see that as you mentioned you know they would see that there would need to be strong infrastructure fright but

the problem is that private companies will not take on the immense risks of accumulating so much debt

like the government will

yeah well of course this is hypothetically if the if those engineers were running the country and not not as it currently stands in the u s or the west in general

but yeah if the engineers were running the country i guess they would be able to use the state's you know capital to

to go into ded like

can't you know gover

business is already go into debt for them

but you see what the problem was that i described before which is that if

we have a technok re sy right

then

the goal is to very impartially without any sentiment or whatever

as you put it any political ideology impeding it or anything any human rights

the goal is merely to increase efficiency right to maximize the overall wealth of the economy and then what the people decide to do with that wealth

who cares right we're at least getting things done

right

the problem though

is that

if it is truly if it's technocrats who are responsible for this increase in efficiency

as technologists

the only manner by which they're going to be able to measure efficiency is thugh somehow formally right

for example through numbers

m like g d p and so on and so on

when

and this can inevitably

become something removed

from the actual production of wealth

and i don't see how

and i don't see how

that technocracy can solve this problem

only if you have a more overarching goal of increasing the welfare of the people

which is very

much not something that can be easily formally defined

right i mean what does it mean to increase the welfare of the well it means to

a look out for their well being it means to also increase their wealth and overall human flourishing but that also means

you know

isn't that implicit in every country anyway

i don't think so no

ok well i think it is i think every person would want what you just described

and i think everyone sort of believes that me right a way they go about it right but i

the problem is that in the

informal democracies right

the way in which that that

is implemented is through like for example the formal electoral process and that's how people give expression to what they want

and then the politicians that they elect will in turn do the things that the people want and everything's fine but we were confronted with this paradox

that

the people that they're voting for

are not in fact

doing what they want

and people are dissatisfied

things are not getting done and the stated intention of a society that increases

liberty and prosperity for all or whatever right

is not

being realized

right so

i think the water that though is this just an efficient way of governing and like even tallying votes right like we're not we don't even

like it's not even electronic in a lot of sense like a lot of it is still handwritten and it's just not effective

i think you could have a

a vote the way we sort of do with representative

on democracy and still be more effective

and just take like surveys and

and votes directly through electronically

i don't think that's possible because

when it comes to a more fundamental question of sovereignty

that is not something that

people can vote for

in this sense people do not know what they really want

right

when it comes to the overall sovereign

yeaes so someone would obviously be giving them choices right to choose from it's not going to be just a blank slate of hay rights but the issue with western democracies is that

these elections

tend to be like existential choices

about

the overall nature and character of the state especially in the united states today like for example

in an election between trump and biden

um

so its this whole sovereignty of the state the whole purpose of the state's existence is being imperileed

through some kind of formal mechanism that is itself

condition by the states so this leads to all manner of paradoxes trump yeah election illegitimate

yeah i see what you mean but in my example in my technogracy example i wouldn't trump and biiten obviously wouldn't even be

up for up for an option right because they're not technical in any way they're not really so where where will you draw

the source of your you

popular legitimacy

i mean i don't necessarily think it has to be democratic no i in terms of like who or maybe i'm misspoken or not understanding but

well

how are you going to

have a government that the people are not going to be

so dissatisfied with that they're going to take up arms and consider you i llegitimate as a government

yeah i mean in in this current state we're obvio the the

the you know governments already exist so obviously we're not starting from a clean slate so i think in the us for example there could be ways to to do that you know if the if there was someone someone that's more technical like i don't know like a popular

texio like ela musk or something or you know any sort of jeff basals or any like

jeff bas maybe isn't popular to the average american but ela musk is a good example because he is popular to americans if he ran for president i think he would win easily

a and so even if he's not

you know

if even if he's not the most technical person you know that's sort of the image that he's marketed himself as so that would be like a first step

and maybe you know

that later later leaders after him would be actual tex eos

for example but that would be an example for me

someone like you would be perfect because he was popular

yeah

but the reason musk is popular

right is actually not because

of anything relating to technology

actually

but because he projects a very ideological image of a kind of fantasy right going through rs a right and through tech

yeah's as science fiction fantasy exactlyy it's still something ideological right it's still something pathological it's like the pathos it's not

it's not

this pure kind of cold rational calculating technology it's all manner of human

rhysthma and human fantasy and human um

unconscious desire and so on and so on

no i agree but i don't have to be that ideological right if if we were implementing this in real life i wouldn't mind that el someone like elon musk actually ran in won he would be a first step to actually getting a technocracy going

i i understand what you're saying

but what i'm trying to say is that

elon's popularity does not come

from his technical expertise

so i already i

yeah i mean that is true with we're witnessing a so here we're witnessing a contradiction

between

pure technical governance right

and the kind of more

i guess ideological stuff that's like spiritual and very ill defined kind of

more subterrestrial

m legitimation from the people right so there is this contradiction that has to be settled and i don't think

a technocracy would be capable of selling it now on while popular

i don't even think would be able to muster the necessary

a legitimation and willpower from the american people

in order to realize such an all encompassing technocratization of the society i mean

for example

let me just put it this way

the more you want to be technocratic

the more you have to attend to the people spiritual ideological etc etc needs right in the communist party

he has been able to get away with

it's techno cri sy

so to speak

precisely because

through its history and through events like the culture revolution which

taken on a transcendent kind of prohibited unconscious status

it has taken care of all of that ideological

am human stuff

right in

only because it can take that for granted

is it able to get away with

it's sweeping

um

and by western standards non democratic technocracy

yeah i see what you mean but i think elin it would still be an example i understand what you mean when you say i think the technocrat

leader would have to sell

to the american people in some way so they would be doing p r sort of how elain squ well right a more futuristic image of the of the u s but that doesn't necessarily mean

that they can't sell that to the american people and then also be you know also have like a sort of a

deep state of sorts theor's some sort of board of actual ex ex expertise that actually can determine their actual technical prowess right so there could sort of be like a two end sort of thing where you sell to the american people this future of like you know this some sort of like

uh solar ponker you know like some sort of futuristic vision of america and then

behind the scenes actually deal with the technical portion of actually running a society right

well believe it or not

providing a kind of

fantasy and i don't mean fantasy in a denigrating sense but just something that's like

you know something that tickles are kind of a

are longing for like an aesthetic right

that is actually not enough

projecting an ideology or a fantasy is not enough to actually maintain power for a sovereign

so in china's case for example

it's not just because' the communist party

as an ideology

that it it sells the chinese people that it gets away with all the technical stuff

it also in trusts

the chinese people

with their own independent relationship

to

verifying the legitimation of this ideology

through the

and this is changing now but it's transitioning into a new form

what we can broadly call a popular form of property

right

so trin land or something

yeah like land ori se land yes

and then it's shifting from agricultural land now

two single unit apartments that can be owned

by the chinese citizen

and it's not just single unit apartments but it's also becoming easier slowly but surely

for the average chinese citizen to take out credit

from banks in order to start businesses so all of these things represent a type of

economic trust

that the government is giving the people

that is not necessarily something that can be premised by technical efficiency but is more a deeper form of trust between a government and its people

yeah i agree what you're saying obviously the way the u s would do it wouldn't be exactly the way marxist leninist government would do it right but i still think i don't necessarily think the american people would want

uh land necessarily i think you can sort of

promise them some sort of value

of of the country in different ways not necessarily having it to be land yeah it's debatable obviously but

ah

i think re sorry go ahead

yeah i was going to say yeah h i don't think it has to be land necessarily and like you said

you know china' is i guess moving more towards like apartments and houses and whatnot which i guess is still sort of you know still going to

be land right it's still land at the end of the day but i think the american people can get

you know

that they can get a piece of the pie and it doesn't necessarily have to be land it would be in the american context but and i don't necessarily think that technocrats

would care to be as

pro people like the chinese government is but that yeah

that's where the problem comes in because you can probably recognize

that there is a paradox of populism we're facing right

so for example for something as mundane as taking vaccines right and public trust

in the technocrats who are making the vaccines

i

there's no trust right there's no trust in the pharmaceutical companies producing vaccines

so when the technical experts want to do something as as montame right as have a vaccine mandate

there's a populist uproar and look what's going on in canada with the truckers

so how are technocrats going to resolve the paradox between trying to run a country as technically efficient as possible

and also feeding the beast so to speak the beast being the popular

m

wilder the wild and popular

ah and more kind of spiritual

sentiments of the people right

because i see what you're saying yeah it's kind of a contradiction yeah i would say you could sort of and i think governments try to do this maybe because again ourt

our governments in the u s and in the west aren't

aren't engineers and aren't technical people the they either see it and don't address it or they don't even see the issue at all

uh but i think you can sort of slip u you know like a pill

uh you know you can sort of like feed the american people and then slip a pill in

in the sense that you could i think if you offered the american people

enough benefits they would take the vaccine

and if the messenger of the vaccine was like trump for example or

eelon for example someone that's actually popular

i think they could slip they can actually get more people to take the vaccine

with enough you know

with enough pussion with some sort of benefit coming along with it not then just you're going to get fired but

hey you know

here's the vaccine and then here's you know i don't know this is sort of crude but here's more money here's money or you know here's this or that whatever the benefit is i think you can sort of slip the pill in with

with the

the dessert

soorce i remember debating destiny actually arguing your point

but he also brought up the point

and i and that wasn't exactly what i was arguing but it's still a good point i mean

which is that

rump

surprisingly right when he spoke favorably about the vaccine

he was

booed by the crowd in one of his speeches

which means

there is a more fundamental issue that the public does not trust the intentions

of

the government as a whole

for telling people to get this vaccine or at least trying to force them to write

so you have a more fundamental issue of trust where people cannot help but see political

and human motivations and intentions

behind the policy making of technocrats right people don't trust

these technocrats to have so much immense power behind them because the technocrats may say that they're acting on behalf of the cold and blind

impartial facts of science

but people tend to see that science is anything but that

right i mean that's why

you have so many conspiracy theories

like

the view that the earth is flat for example can proliferate right because people don't see

people don't trust this idea of a cold impartial calculating science they know that

yeah i don't think you can actually sell it to the people that way i don't think you necessarily need to i think the technocrats that you see now are sort of explaining to the people like they're scientists or something i don't expect them to be scientists right yeah i would i would sell them an image

and then also

behind the scenes

you know

actually implemented the actual mandates it wouldn't be you know i'm not going to tell them hey

this is why logically a b c why you should take it i would sell them an image or you know give them some sort of popular

rhetoric and then slip that in in you know behind the scenes and i think that's how you you would have to do it

but yeah jus sort of addressing that but and i don't think trump does that right and none of the tech technocrats now do that

they sort of technocrats will just tell you hey take the vaccine otherwise you're going to kill other people

uh and that is not really a

but

don't you think this is also why technocrats are not

capable of of sovereign rule

right all they can do really is kind of

act as a servant of a sovereign's will

but they cannot themselves draw

the will

to actually

rule of pvil

yeah i mean you might be right yeah maybe the the the the technocrats sort of speak at the top would have to be more charismatic and understand that portion of it but i don't think you you have to necessarily separate the two skill i think there there are os out there that are that are examples of someone who could be charismatic and also who has a technical back another issue

which is why i actually don't think

the chinese ideology hampers china is because

i actually think techno crases have a tendency to stagnate

and i predict they would because there haven't really been many examples in history

because technocrats since they're operating based off of

i of this s

data and which means precedent things that have already happened

they're unable to take the risks the contingent risks of bold

risks into the unknown that only someone with a kind of

sixth sense of a broader popular spiritual orientation

in order to actually define and frame the terms of the kind of greek technique in the first place

the form in the first place

like

a technocrat

doesn't understand the deeper laws of the dialectic governing

a laws of social revolution right how how it happens that

the data that they actually are

working with

comes to actually present itself in the way that it does like

it can it has the data but it doesn't have the hy behind the data like for example

um

the dogs too necessarily

do they have to be separate necessarily mean you coud could you could imagine someone that has the ability to combine them both right

or maybe yeah i do think

ideally both should be combined but the problem is that when technocrats rule

they are blind to the deeper laws and forces of historical change

and social revolution

which makes it them very which makes them kind of

i mean there are examples of this in marxist lendinist countries for example

um

broadly there was the example under stalin right were stalin did initiate this

revolution the social revolution which

drew in more of the russian masses into culture and politics and society and law

and this led to the rise of a technocracy

and when it

came time to initiate more another one of these revolutions right to

have a revolution in what we call marxism the forces of production

the technocrats

actually i

turned against stalin

right under the disguise that he didn't know what he was doing technically

but

this technocratic mentality only disguised

a very untechnocratic defense of the status quo and terms of like a class war basically

so techic

yeah thes like they will defend the status quo

in the name of techn technical expertise

but it has nothing to do with it

any blind technical knowledge but just the defence of the ruling

the ruling class basically

yeah i mean i agree i see what you're saying i could see that being a potential problem i don't necessarily think it would be detrimental to keep a techno crasy going i think if if

n maybe there needs to be like a sort of like a board of directors sort of system

similar to how businesses are run

where you do have more of that spiritual

a philosophical person on the board for example you know

um the they don't all have to be engineers right but uh if they're you know but i think you could sort of that approach would

you know sort of to address both

fronts that you're sort of discussing or you're sort of mentioning i think those things could hypothetically be addressed in some way and of course no society is perfect so there's gonna be issues regardless

but

you know i think that's a start at least to a you know a better society and i think america and most of the western world

they're sort of trying to do both right

they're sort of trying to be technocratic but also trying to linger on to and hold on to some of the more spiritual and philosophical part of their countries but it's not working

because you know because of various issues of course but i think there's sort of is a way to

for america to sort of

go all the way technocratic and like i said someone like ela musk or someone that's popular

uh that's more tech you know that's more seen as technical at least could sort of jumpstart that in my opinion but yeah that's my i guess that's one of that's the first point out of the three i don't know if you wanted to move on to the second one or not but

i think the point is kind of still unresolved but we

for the sake of time if you want we could move on

yeah i mean i don't i don't think there's a i think it would just be a agreed to disagree sort of thing because i don't think like you said there's not that many examples of techno technoraci

out there so there's not much that we caln point to

i

more of a philosophical

debate i guess rather than

sort of a results oriented one but yeah so point to again i sort of just touched on it but

i think america could dapt

america could adopt this

a technocratic approach

i think it's not

doing it enough you know i think

trying to you know limit google

meta apple and some of the tech

tech companies now are doing just more harm i think

i think you know i know at some point they're probably going to try to break

those

companies operate in the u s

and i think they shouldn't i think they should just

let them

continue to do what they're doing

can you repeat the the

the first thing you said a bottle dropped on the floor i couldn't hear it

yeah yeah so basically that

yeah so basically that

the the government the u s government it appears that they're going to at some point try to break up these

quote unquote tech monopolies but my point is i think

the tech monopoly should be unleashed the

you know

for this future techn technocra sy like i said i think most of the western world

is trying to become techno cra sis doing it in a terrible way

so i wouldn't

sorry go ahead

ya ya ya i'm done pase

so not to be ideological but in marxist terms we have a word called the forces of production

and to me

tech

has not actually replaced the forces of production but has become an interface with which these forces of production can be guided

and because of that

i actually think that the tech monopolies are limiting right now the forces of production

as all monopolies inevitably do and that actually successfully breaking up tech monopolies

will allow new

platforms more or less

to flourish to an even greater degree than the ones before

so it's almost kind of like

a tree gets overgrown you chop down the tree

and

you know it's has seeds and there's

you know like five new trees in itstead

and so i think that's some

the paradigm we have to start thinking is that these tech monopolies like google for example tried to solve the problem of

any company is inevitably going to become shortsighted in its ability to actually have a vision

and the reason for that is because draw being able to draw a vision

um

for the future

and for technologies

is a result of a specific relationship

between human beings people

and

governments right

like for example

google and the tech platforms arose from a very specific relationship between

an economic relationship i should say

between the people and the government after world war two

um

and also the research universities and the grants given by the government that invested in them

and this is the fruit of that was silicon valley right that

thing right

but eventually the there comes to be an upper limit to what monopolies can do and how much they can innovate

and google tried to solve this problem for example by just buying up all of the newest tech start ups

but the issue here is that

google

there's a conflict of interest sometimes because google doesn't know how to integrate some of these new technologies from these startups with its overall ecosystem

which inevitably leads to buying up a lot of new promising start ups

only to

basically like

neutralize them from ever becoming anything right

and this is what a lot of these

tech platforms are starting to do and it's leading to in my view ah

a stagnation

in innovation

yeah i don't necessarily disagree i think part of that also is that

the government is sort of not looking at

and you know the tech i guess the purpose of the government that the u s has is not necessarily to help

the tech

companies per se it is more

you know it's more ideological than that i think h i in my view is that if the if the government that we currently had were more more engineers and tech focused

even if google and some of these quote unquote monopolies existed i think they can work with the government to sort of

be more innovative i don't necessarily think that

the innovation is being impeded because they're monopolies per se but because the government sort of

tries to cut them down but they do it ineffectively

and then because of their own uh you know business shortcomings or you know whatever short sightedness you know there can also be

you know i guess impeding of innovation but i don't necessarily know if you can measure that in an any way either so

you know i that

yeah

i think that

the problem though is that these companies

are accumulating an immense concentration of wealth that is coming from

the rents basically of

the use of their platform and also intellectual property right

the problem is that these tech platforms are accumulating so much of these rents

on top of infrastructure that comes from the government and this infrastructure is outdated

and the tech monopolies are not able to replace the in the government infrastructure they take for granted

but it's almost like they're using them parasitically

wow

just

accumulating this immense immense amount of money and wealth

and not using that money in a way that actually goes back

to where

the source was which was

you know from the government and from the people and so on and so on

and i'm not saying they should give more of their wealth to our government because our government is horribly inefficient and it i agree with that it's completely outdated

but i also think that's

that

also incriminates the tech companies too because

it's this very inefficient government that these tech companies

owe their existence to

and still rely upon

to continue to exist

if we fundamentally upgraded our infrastructure

and fundamentally you know made investments

from the government actually or through government banks i should say

throw a central government bank into like

promising small tech companies not with the purpose of neutralizing them but in the with the purpose of actually giving them a chance

m

i actually think that these tech monopolies would collapse i mean

the free ride and free pass that they are getting

that our governments has given them

i think would come to an end

m

to me agree but i think if even if let's say the government spent i don't know like twenty trillion dollars and really tried to upgrade the infrastructure in a real meaningful way i think the googles of the world and amazons would still have an advantage

even if the smaller businesses

and startups do have a chance i still think google and amazon just g

i actually there so

i

want to preface and clarify the

i think our government is horribly inefficient it's a horribly inefficient overgrown

bureaucracy so

i'm not saying i want the government to just throw twenty trillion dollars to upgrade infrastructure i think we do need a fundamental revolution

in this

this country i'm not talking in like an ideological sense but let me just

put it this way

right

so we need an institutional revolution we need to break

up we need to lk extinguish a lot of these bureaucracies and a lot of these red tape and just

restructure how our government works and how it functions right

that's

a very important thing

we have to do before we talk about printing more money

we need to establish something like a central bank a government central bank

we need to reinstate things like glass steagall which promotes a productive

productivist oriented developmental policy

i'm part of the government

now once we do all of these things

his special interests and special relationships

that are

that are

in bed with our government like wall street and in turn from wall street to silicon valley

those will collapse so these monopolies will no longer have the advantage that they do by being in collaboration with the current kind of corrupt bureaucracy

and i think this would lead to a blank slate where

you know new start ups and new technologies and new

paradigms

we'll have a chance

i think google and amazon are actually symptoms of our stagnation i think if we want to actual

real you know unleashed

forces of production and increased technological innovation

we have to look at these technogupes

these monopolies for what they are

their massive hordors of wealth

we don't use this wealth productively

yeah i mean i see what you're saying i do think that just objectively the the u s will probably collapse at some point in the near future

but

the way i see it is

the power grab that's going to kind of come from that is going to be

you know i think it's going to come a lot of it from the tech companies so that would be the opportunity for these tech companies to really seize power

to i tried it

yeah

im

i i've i've seen speculation about that before i just don't see these tech companies as having

the necessary independence

like they already have infrastructure they already have

unless the u s you know unless the currencies just

collapse worldwide

they still have immense amounts of power and influence still

well i don't think they have enough independent infrastructure i think

you're kind of underestimating the extent to which big tech is still not only reliant on the u s government

but even worse more reliant on two things right

the democratic party i mean most of all reliant on the democratic party

and also wall street silicon valley has never actually declared any independence from from wall street so it's still beholden

to the same people who control the democrats which is the wall street financial class

no i don't necessarily disagree with that but i'm saying like let's imagine tomorrow if just everything started burning and collapsing right like the government like people no longer believed in the government and everything collapsed like objectively

i even though i do agree that a lot of the infrastructure that

that companies in general rely on are sort of you know comes at the ben you know comes from the government i do still think that objectively

right now

m you know these tech companies still have capital

to sort of

to you know gather and try to seize power in some sort of way or they have they have people right they have employees

there're a lot of them

probably are already moving away solely from the u s dollar right they can see

they can see that it's you know there there's ccrypto you know theer's don know there's people that are starting to invest companies that are starting to invest in other types of currencies so they're seeing the writing on the wall already

so i think they would have capital

to sort of utilize to try to seize power in some way maybe they might not win out

but they you know i think if it were to sort of

you know in the immediate sense that would be sort of how a techno cray could possibly happen

i think

in in that kind of scenario which would be like a warlord scenario where like power is up for grabs basically right

i don't actually think big tech

i think big tap would

completely collapse i mean it's reliant on the government to such an extent that

it would be non operational not only in the technical sense of like running their companies

technologies and platforms

but even in like the organizational sense of

having a corporation i mean the whole thing would just come tumbling down

but on the other hand

you would have gangs right gangs would

survive an apocalypse because the reason for that

it's because you're gangs

our organizations

that command

a loyalty from their members

not simply because they pay them as employees but because they take like oaths and blood vows and this

fundamental sense of loyalty and brotherhood and willingness to die for the gang and

and i

all of the dynamism of like

states and and like political loyalty you do find that in gangs but in a tech company i mean you don't find i mean

employees of amazon are not going to die for jeff bazol's they're not going to

you know take up arms and sacrifice him i mean

maybe you could say that you know hire can hire military thoug right if they have capital like the companies themselves

they would have to be so yeah they would use krypto right because the u s dollar would be worthless at this point or other other government

currency right no

the onanner yanner

whatever else they yeah but

m

the problem with that is in terms of hiring private mercenaries is that

they will never be able to draw

um

draw from like a segment of the population

to fight for them right which means that

in terms of a war they just be holding out against a a

a mass of people that are fundamentally hostile to them which is the people right

gangs on the other hand can replicate i mean like i'll just put it this way right

the reasons why people join gangs is because of some kind of fundamental human loyalty right it's not just because of that but that's what cements it's like a blood oath right

whereas if you'd just for hire

then

when the going gets tough

will mercenaries really die for the dollar no right so

all of like the dynamics of how a state is built and how a warlord becomes a sovereign

are not going to be there for a tech company but they will be there for a gang

no i agree that maybe gangs that are based on like you said based on uh you know loyalty

versus just money is going to be it's probably going to be stronger right and more

yeah more cohesive in a way but

i still do think that

and obviously this is hypothetical we would have no idea what would actually happen but i do still think that

if ever if the country collapsed today everyone would a lot of people would be out of work

i think i think people would willingly

to take any job

uh and and i guess in this scenario uh you know being like arms for the for these tech companies wouldn't be out of the question uh

right now but

we have to understand things like the origin of money and the origin of

of like how economies right and at some point you do get to this kind of

shakespearean or freudian

bke

like how are social bl bonds glued in the first place right and gangs really do tap into the essence of that

in ways that mercenaries so no matter how desperate people are

when you are being hired i't put it this way when you're being hired as a mercenary because you're unemployed

you're engaging in a voluntary transaction right i will give you my services and you will give me money

well that transaction is operating within the confines of rules ultimately right

like it's not theft it's a rule

well gangs don't have to

the gangs aren't limited by the rules of any market right when a gang

gets a soldier it's not because

they were hired and you know

you they're merely transacting some money or resource for you

this more fundamental

glue that binds people together

um is being used right your your youre you have a loyalty to a brotherhood you have loyalty to a cause or an ideology or something something or maybe a

a culture or a community something fundamental there is going on

where people are willing to give their life

right

um

i i get are saying yeah i do i get what you're saying all i'm saying is that

the the

tech

technora sies would or like the tech companies would have

you know resources to use in some sort of a breakdown of society and this is like not even considering outside investment but ilution

other countries usually invested

in your revolution is right

so

like china or

you know a lot of these countries that already have like google and tesla and amazon in their countries already might have interest

investing in whichever side

is going to war so we couldn't even rule out these tech companies in funding from outside governments

so

you know obviously this is a h complete hypothetical yeah yeah no i mean it's good to entertain i think but the thing is that these tech companies are not going to be able to give

the reason why i don't think they could draw have any legitimacy is because what they would lack is purpose they would lack an actual vision and reason something to die for right to

to be loyal to an idea some kind of logos right

this is what tech companies lack

and

political parties and gangs on the other hand

have that i mean

i don't have any experience in this myself but

for example my parents

did come from a country that was experiencing like a thing like this right

which was the civil war in lebanon i don't know if you're familiar but that was the civil war where there was like a thousand gangs and a thousand parties and a thousand

groups

that

were basically

spont you know spontaneously

plans and factions and families

i mean

if mercenaries in this scenario i mean they would just be holding out against this whole chaos but

they would not

have a chance basically to divie for legitimacy of statehood and government

yeah i mean i agree i mean you know we hypothetically you know the dem what is left of the democratic party could

try to align with the tech companies in that way right

so you never know the kind of alliances that would be made

the sort of

push forward but

i still do think that the tech companies have enough capital

and enough influence to where they would sort of try to leach on to whichever factions sort of winning out and sort of ah side with them ideologically

and hopefully that springboards them on to being brwling class you know the issue is that in a warlord era

capital

is

um

is a

is accumulated at the point of a gun

it's not like something you get from market transactions

well sometimes it could be but

you know you have warlords roaming around and let's say there's an oil refinery and you don't pay for it you bring your guns and you take that refinery and you

you make fuel right

or let's say there's a

peasants farming land you don't go to those peasants and buy their crops you at the point of a gun exact a tax

from them right

say we need this much grain and housing and so on and so on

so the distribution of capital

becomes reset i mean

like

for example a tech company may have like five hundred bitcoins right

but because there's no environment of free voluntary market exchange but instead of a war

this a war of all against all where people are

fighting for resources and goods at the barrel of a gun

they can try and pay for the oil refinery for example

right

m

that's not going to do them any good when

you can just take it

from the barrel of a gun you know

you know i see what you're saying yeah obviously guns are going to be more you know they're going to be more

effective in controlling people than money when it's broken down but i do think fundamentally in this new like cryptoeconomy i do think they could you know people freely have

you know ckrypto wallets on their phones so you don't necessarily even need a

uh institutional bank some of these crypto wallet companies are even outside of the u s so

yeah hypothetically yeah so hypothetically we would all have wallaces on our phones

now you can make the argument that the phone services would all go down which i guess that's that would be a fair point

but

assuming that somehow the phone services are still online in some sort of way

you know people do have some way of

you know

capturing or retaining some sort of like

you know

money

for to spend but i ultimately agree that

you know realistically there probably wouldn't be a technokra sy

forming in a revolution and

were like in a in a

and like a warlord era right yeah in like a warlord era yeah the probably wouldn't be a technora sy maybe if like again maybe whatever's left of the democratic party

you know maybe they latch on to that

and maybe try to you know force it away that way but

realistically i think the

sort of the technokrasy route would be getting someone like elain muscar a tech c e o that's actually popular with the american people and try to get them elected

um that would probably be the only realistic way of getting subs because like i said i see the west as sort of being a techno cracy but

they're just not good at it

so yeah i

again i uh

i mean

not i mean not to like

aull this bullshit because it's kind of not that

it's kind of besides the point but you know on can't run right

yeah yeahh because he's yeah i know he he's outside yeah yeah obviously but he's yeah he's a he's like south african right so yeah but i g your point is like someone like elon or maybe there's a change in legislation hypothetically like something like that i yeaha saying yeah he's a perfect example because he's actually popular but it would have to be someone like him that's yeah s well i think the issue is that they would not only have to be popular and well like

but they would also have to be populists right and a populist

is basically promising the people that they're going to crush the they're going to drain the swamp crush the establishment

and give the people something right

and i don't really think elan

has that in him i think what elon does is kind of he's popular because

he gives people something to look forward to and he stokes our imagination

but what he's not is a a warrior he's not like a militant leader who's going to you know

direct

you know the the army of the people to storm the headquarters and

you know drain the swamp and all this kind of trump

trump stuff right

yeah yeah he goes perfect example he's he's the great best example i can poll right but it would have to be it would have to be probably be someone that's more it would probably be like a combination of him andrew yang and

probably someone that's more you knowuse engineering is probably more political than you musk would be but he's you know he's not as popular

i think im

if anyone wants

substantial change in the country i don't really think it's possible within

the current political parties that exist i just

you're probably right realistically it probably yeah this government is even andrew yang i mean like it's so sad but

you know

even if he were to run as a democrat and become very popular i mean there is a democratic corporate establishment like it's a machine and they would just

snuff him out basically right

yeah yeah it's not the best example but yeah i think the u s is basically done for

but

i think you know again the probably i don't know if it'll be in our lifetime but i'm more arguing from like a

ideological point of view rather than you know realistically

realistically yeah this country's probably done but

um you know what i'd like to see would be more of a

technokra sy sort of in the way china china runs it

um so yeah that that's my second point i guess maybe we could get to our last point yeah we can move on to the third

okay so the the third point would be why i i would be against chinese polarity in any sort of way

um this this sort of you know obviously we can see that china is you know probably going to be the

you know

the the the number one country you know the hajemani

sooner or later you know but i think this is not good personally

just

because i think it's going to affect

some of the southeast you know some of the asian countries that currently have

you know

protection under the us had gemany

the example number one would be japan

um you know i'm partly japanese so

they would probably go after japan first right you know due to world war two and

you know

i'm pretty sure there's not good blood between the two countries

a so i think some of the asian countries would kind of get the wrath of china

ah

if you know if china grows to be even stronger

i

i don't think china

has bad intentions toward japan

um

i actually think japan would probably fare better under chinese guidance or hegemony as opposed to the u s because

we can see what's going on in japan now is that they have a demographic crisis you know there's

the economy is stagnating and i

populations declining i think um

a more special relationship with china

and and chinese investment and and

infrastructure as opposed to the

s lead model

would probably help

the japanese economy and the japanese people in a

profoundly better way

i think the only people who would lose out though

would probably be the japanese ruling class and the kind of

establishment which seems to not be faring

that badly

despite

the stagnation the majority of japanese people are facing

ya i mean uh idea ya like

yeah if best case scenario i think that would be the case but i think just due to recent you know history i don't think it would fair that e if if somehow china took over japan or had so much influence that

you know there was a lot of chinese in japan i think

japanese people which has become second class citizens frankly i don't think that's true because i think china does have a lot of sensitivity around the

discussion of

japan's role in world war two and the whole history

but when it comes to japanese people i don't think chinese people harbor bad feelings toward the japanese people i think

i actually think there's a kind of

more recent and resurgent sense of

um

now this is extremely controversial right like to say this but

there's so much nuance to it that it'd be hard to explain but

before the thirties

before the period of or the twenties i forgot when but

i think there is some chinese sympathy with

japan's initial

modernization after the meiji restoration and the aspiration of just this idea

of an independent east asian power i think

chinese people

sorry thinker is in china

are starting to kind of

look upon this with sympathy and admiration

now obviously the the japanese invasion of china and the you know the

world war two yes i mean it's a complete black spot spot in history but

this more overall view of

kind of japan's vision before of creating like an

in independent asian polarity i think it's something that

is very much admired in china today

especially more recently

but if china had a if china had a more revengeful

approach in the u s pulled out of japan what would stop china from just going in invading japan

there would be no i don't think china has any reason to want to

invade japan

japan

physically but even just being you know even just h you know financially or just a

kind of a grip on japan and

in a way to weear japan like you said was let me let me put it this way

china

when the communist government in china was in

was um first

come came to power right under mouth

a

the japanese collaborator who is the

he was

the boy emperor of the

the ching dynasty

he was reinstated in the

the republic of

in manchuria during there was a jet the the japanese pubpeic government in manchur manchuria

he was a japanese collaborator right i mean he i mean he directly collaborated with the

imperial japanese government and

you know the government in mancheria was pretty brutal toward

he

the red you know the red army and the people's liberation army and so on

m

but even he was

like completely forgiven right he was allowed to be a normal chinese citizen he wasn't

he didn't even face any repercussions so

i don't think that

the chinese view is one of revenge against japan at all i mean if they were not

even gonna like do anything against

this huge collaborator i don't think

they have any bad designs

were vengeful designs on japan

i mean i guess that would be sort of a fate sort of a gamble that

i guess japan wouldn't want to even sort of

deal with right like the way japan is now they're going to be safe in the u s no matter what so

i actually know

i don't know about that because

it seems like

a lot of the majority of the aggression is coming from the u s against china and china's posture

he's basically defensive right

and because of that

japan

is

endangered

under the

the u s basically because it's

it might get entangled or thrown into a conflict

between the us and japan

that in no way

it benefits japan or

japan has anything to do with

yeah i mean like the even the dispute in the south china sea between japan and china

um you know you could say that's sort of influenced by america which probably is right because japan japan is able to be more aggressive knowing that the u s is allies would be allies in that conflict but

that's like an example if you saw it from a purely a

pessimistic point of view that you know there's already sort of a

tension there

just

merely based off of history and just even proximity rate to each other

uh and and if if the u s

protection was gone i think a lot of it

a lot of countries would sort of

see chinese influence

grow a lot more even if it wasn't a complete invasion

which it probably wouldn't be in this day and age it would still i think be enough influence to whear

ian you see it in africa right there's a lot of african

the political parties that are solely that have been solely created to try to remove chinese people from their country

so

that's like an example that i would probably see in japan where there would be just so much chinese influence that

effectively even if they weren't taken over physically they would basically become second class citizens in some sort of un like the israel palestine kind of kind of way

well the thing in africa though is that

what you'd seeing in africa is that china is making investments in africa

productive investments that

can be paid off eventually and when they're not able to be paid off

the chinese banks have been very forgiving

in terms of debts and so on so they're not

tricking african into a bad deal

it's just that a lot of these governments in africa are very corrupt

and so they're not negotiating the terms of these deals with china

in a way that's favorable to the people well that's not

really china's fault

because

china isn't propping up any governments or having coups to have governments favorable to it it's just working with whatever government

it has yet

is there right is in charge

as far as japan's concerned

i don't think there would any be any threats to japanese sovereignty as far as disputed territories are concerned

china seems to be willing to work with countries bilaterally to resolve these negotiations and disputes it just doesn't like it when like

europeans or americans get involved

because it sees this isn't not only an encroachment on china's sovereignty but on qrote an encroachment on the sovereignty of both parties involved like why should the u s be involved

in a dispute between two

asian neighbors right east asian neighbors which with with

you know very

very

ancient historical ties right

so

yeah but the conflicts now are with the with the implicit u s backing right

or maybe an exps the us backing in this hypothetical japan would be o this probably wouldn be case but if japan was on its own

china would have no worry about

u s threats maybe japan would have other allies that sort of can try to back them up which is probably would be the case

but

either way if that power is not

does not equal to china they could sort of bully them right

thathch would be my concern

i i don't think china

um

would act as a bully in regards to japan

because

when we see countries that china is very well within its capacity of bullying

um

neighbors

like afghanistan for example china could could have bullied the shit out of the afghan government under

hmmaed karzai right

but under that government

i think it was actually under the taliban we go even that would be even be better right

um

when it came to negotiations of territorial disputes

china was extremely generous i mean

it settled the negotiation in which it gave the majority of

the disputed territory to afghanistan and only took a small part

right

because it was an unsettled boundary right

so i think when we look at precedents where china was able to act as a bully

it hasn't

yeh but wouldn't you still say that i would be china still looking at how would the u s react if they were to bully

these countries in this way

likech i do' would still threaate in the u s in some sort of way right

i don't think even the would would have been able to do anything about it

but when don't you think that they would see that as trying to trying to grow even even stronger than you know you can see kind of see it with ukraine right like

just because

russia and ukraine are having their tension you know

the u s and the west in general see that as a threat but i think i think a good example is a taiwan

yeah taiwan's a good example yeah yeah tie taiwan's a good example yeah

china

well china doesn't even really bully taiwan right it even respects the system in place in taiwan it's just

insist that taiwan is

i mean part of china right

well informally it is right so that would that's why i didn't use that example yeah eah make the argument that formally it is literally the republic of china but right yeah

so the issue is that the

i don't think china is another nazi germany is what i'm trying to say i don't think they have designs to conquer or bully or humiliate

neighbors or people i think

they want

sincerely in their material self interest they wan

eastful um

win win

um

so uh

coexistence and mutual development

i think

that's how china's economy works right

um i don't think

it has any interest in

creating an economy that's based on war and conquest and i don't think i don't think they would be nazi germany or like fascist states at all i think they would still i think it would be more economic

so you know you would probably see a lot of chinese companies in japan right

you know ten cen and all the tech companies and all the other businesses you'll just see so it would basically be a i could see a scenario where there would be a ton of chinese people in japan physically just s citizens uh and and if you know japanese culture you know that you know japan doesn't really like outside uh out i think japan i would

yet so that would be gross to the japanese people but i think if china had that power there would be no way for japan to really what if if china

has

a huge amount of economic power within japan that would be because the japanese themselves

founded pop proferty

profitable but

japanese sovereignty will not be encroached upon

by china so if japan wants to limit immigration from any country it sees fit to

mean it's still able to

exercise the sovereign num

you know the sovereign the

will of

within the bounds of its territory right i mean china' is not going to tell the japanese government that

you know they can't limit immigration or they can't do this or they can't try to invest in their own companies

um

when it comes down to it

i think if there's too much chinese companies that have power in japan

that's probably a problem internal to japanese politics if the japanese people want

to have their own platforms and own businesses that's their responsibility to

you know have a more protectionist government and implement policies that favor japanese industry

and china is not going to interfere in that

well my point would be that they would be they would forcefully do that right i think they would for because they would benefit china

financially to have businesses set up in china or in japan eight you can make that argument but the minute it has to do so forcefully is when

it has to bring in

to leaders china does yet does not want to have to deal with right which is

a military

occupation or coercion and

politics right and china does not china wants economic deals it does not yet youapan if you if you know about theman japanese defense force is pathetic they would stand no chance to try well i'll put it this way so

japan is a consumer based economy

right

right it's not a resource rich

place like africa is which china actually does need economically right

and china has been very favorable and fair in the way it works with african countries it's not forcing anything it's

there's a mutual win win benefit african countries need capital investments

and china needs resources so there's a you know there's this kind of mutual relationship they have going on that that benefits both of them

as far as what china needs from japan though i don't

i don't know what

china would necessarily need even from a perspective of

of the

self interest what they would need from japan right i mean

yeah i mean it's a large consumer market i guess for chinese goods but it's not nearly as large as say africa or the middle east or india

um

or even you know europe

so

i don't know what china would gain from

interfering in japan so much

yeah well i guess my

argument would be that i think naturally japan would be protectionist economically right if the u s were to collapse right like one hundred and fifty years ago the west had to force japan to open up

i think naturally japanese people tend to be more conservative in that way

where they're they're more protectionists so if if in this hypothetical scenario china did want to set up shop in japan forcefully

um i my argument would be that they would be able to militarily if they wanted to

and i i and if i guess if someone in if the chinese ruling class were to be ill willed i don't see why they wouldn't want to do that

a it would it would benefit them in any way

and they would sort of get get you know they could if they were vengeful they could do that right just based on the last hundred years of how t i think maybe you caln make try and make the case i would completely disagree with that

would would it be more rational is that

japan would be an economic competitor to chinese industry right and that's why china would want to stifle japan

because it's it would compete with china on the international stage

but

there are countries that already compete with china on the international stage i mean

also iran right is a rising power which is going to have its own domestic industry in it

there's going to be all sorts of

competitors with chinese brands that are going to emerge

on the international stage

i iruns like a china it's in the chinese sphere right so iran wouldn't be the best i mean but that just goes to show that even if a country like iran can work with china to such an extent

and also develop its own sovereign industries that may potentially eventually compete with china

i don't think china is going to

use military force

uh against

countries that it can it considers potential

economic competitors i think china wants to maximize win win cooperation to the highest

extent possible

yeah i mean i guess you could make the argument that that's how things are now but that's also again with

in implicit uus you know that's with that's with us being one of the polaer polarities right

and the e u um i guess in this hypothetical if japan was sort of

not a part of that u s you know polarity anymore

and sort of had to cling on to smaller allies i i i still don't see i guess you could you can make the argument that china would be

uh more be benevolent in that way but it and you know well take more of an

a peaceful approach but i guess if they wanted to and if if the ruling class wanted to

sort of go after japan for

in the past i guess they could and japan can't really stop it well

to be fair don't you think the u s could also do whatever it wants to japan

yeah i mean i guess it could but

i guess there's different philosophies right and japan also didn't subjugate

america

well i do i think those specific philosophies though point to america being far more likely to do something like invade japan

i mean if there was a japanese populist uprising

that wanted to promote

reinvigorate the japanese economy and an industry

and you know

come at that's going to challenge western financial institutions

that have

you know propped up the japanese economy

in the latter part of world war two

i think america would

put it on the table to do something like invade japan and the reason i think so is because

well one america that

you know

it

it bombed it

only use nuclear weapons once which was

against japan

for no reason other than to scare and intimidate the soviet union i mean it didn't need to do that but it did

it's like america has a kind of needlistic and immoral philosophy of just

very machiavellan and very much i mean it in hiroshima nagasaki it dropped those bombs

for absolutely no it didn't do so because it needed to win the war didn't do so for any other reason

than wanting to have a geopolitical

intimidation of the soviet union so hundreds of thousands of lives murdered

basically

or

a very cynical

cynical purpose

and then second of all

the u s has a history of

invading countries that defy western financial institutions and insist upon their own sovereignty

uh in the past in e

in china doesn't you know

so

i mean i don't disagree with you that the u s more likely would be the one to do that but if there was some sort of a

a more populist uprising in japan but

i guess our in our hypothetical scenario the u s would be collapsing in some sort of way right it's after the u s lost touchmany in any meaningful way that i'm saying that china would sort of try to aggress on japan

so we would this is under the assumption that u s has sort of declined in the in the world stage

so uh yeah so i guess you could still make the argument that even after the decline if there was some sort of state in any formal way

i guess that that whatever's left of the u s could still try to take over japan but

i don't really i thought the lose

i seen when it comes to matters like these

there's always going to be

possibilities right

in order to cultivate

well i think the i think giving trust a chance

should

you i mean

you can assume the worst about china's

intentions and design that china is going to do the worst thing

possible to japan

right that it that it can

but i think there does need to be a leap

of trust now

japan can try and give china a chance basically

and if china

transgresses

ah in the way that you're describing i'm sure that the japanese people

will not tolerate you

right

yeah i mean i think there's already a mistrust of japan just knowing japanese people there's already a right but but you have to admit from a historical perspective i mean the only time china's invaded japan was not

under a chinese or han chinese dynasty but it was under the an

a dynastyan

it's not because of chinese aggression against japan it's the mongols invaded everyone right they invaded

china

they invaded jo java i mean they invaded

the world right so

there was that an invadion invasion of japan

beyond that i don't think china's ever exhibited any aggression against japan in history

i mean you can say that it's irrational but

just knowing the sentiments of japanese people they already have a

sort of a mistrust of chinese people in general i' like the opinions that they have so i ca yes so i could see it getting ugly if

if there was any sort of but i think this is also a misplaced

misplaced hostility because i think of the japanese focused more

on their internal

antagonisms

i think that would take off a lot of the

negative

focus on china i mean you would agree that japan is not in a very good state

right now right i mean

japanese industry is declining the japanese economy is stagnating there's a demographic crisis there's a spiritual crisis

a moral crisis right

exist existential crisis of japan so i think

entering into a new asian era right

would probably reinvigorate

japan

as the only shot basically of preserving and reviving the japanese civilization i mean it's under america's leadership we see the kind of nehalsm

the path japan the

has gone down it's in no way beneficial to m

the japanese people

no i agree with you there all i'm saying is that i could see the chin even if it wasn't militarily i could see a chinese puppet state you know a chinese like a pro chinese government in japan like i could see that being a possibility if there was a real u s collapse like um a pro chinese government

which would be unpopular with the japanese people

yeah i mean i guess yeah i guess in a way but it might be forceful right but if there's a ruling class that's pro china

you know i could see it being ugly again i could see japan japanese people being second class citizens in that way if if they really lost

the ability to fight back in any mean meaningful way again because militarily they have no chance

ight i think

any country that wants to be independent has to have the will

two

have confidence in itself

that it will defend itself and its own dignity

and again i know you can't take my word for it that i don't believe china

has

these designs on japan

but whether it's china or whether it's

timbuk to write any country you want riighte

um

it's you can i think there's

one of the things i'm thinking of is that

i think there's maybe this kind of

over dependence japan has on the u s where it no longer

thinks it has to take sovereignty in its own hands but rely on bigger powers in general right

and

it's a it's a pattern i you know you can kind of see in japanese society as well i mean the birth rates are in decline people don't want to get

started families

as much as they used to

it's like it's like something that permeates

from you can completely correct me if i'm wrong this is just from what little i know about japanese society is

is this kind of crisis of of

self determination and sovereignty in general right

so

dependence on america as a bigger power

and an inability to return to japanese sovereign power

is a kind of existential crisis i think is facing japan because the most recent memory of japanese sovereignty

a was during world war two which led to the

completely disastrous and catastrophic result

so what do i actually think

is that

hypothetically and speculating

what i think is actually more likely

is that china will

be a new impetus and new

possibility for japan to reacquire its sense of sovereignty and sense of selfhood

it's not going to be dependent on china like it was dependent on america because china doesn't want that china doesn't want countries to be

you know

dependent on it and under its kind of coercion in the way that

america

has it right

china wants countries to be able to take care of themselves china can't

china struggles to govern itself right so it doesn't want to be governing all these other countries

i think china would prefer

an independent japanese government

to govern the japanese people

i

and that's why i mentioned before that china is increasingly sympathetic to the pre world war two and pre

nineteen thirties kind of japanese

maternity

because it prefer it it

it doesn't want japan to become

an imperialist power then invades other countries

but it also would probably prefer a japan

that is

self i

that is sovereign right that's not dependent on a bigger power at all

i think china

in japan

the can come to a point historically where they both respect each other

and respect their independence

yeah i mean that would be again yeah like you said that would be best case scenario but i think there's just an antagonism that maybe you might not be aware of just knowing japanese people in general there's just suspicious of chinese people just you know i don't know theres or you know yeah but i think

that

if i were to talk to japanese people

telling me about this problem within their country i think i would say focus on

the issue of the contradiction of the japanese establishment right because

right now japan is not in a very good state and i think

if you focus people's attention against the status quo

you can

put the question of chinese relations on the backburner a little bit right because i think jap japan is facing bigger problems than that right now

yeah i agree yeah i think realistically this is sort of this would be sort of deviating from the actual point but yeah realistically uus would probably the u s would probably be a bigger threat at this current moment

if if you know because there are

if you know anything about japanese politics there are conservative movements in in japan that are like real imperialistic

uh you know they's sort of like trying to bring back the old

japanese like uh energy uh and and sort of politics and like you know

like denying any sort of atrocities that might might have happened during world war two there's like a real conservative movement in japan that's sort of brewing so sort of like how you see tromp or you know what well some people say like tromp or

you know like more uh radical right wingers like you're starting to see that in japan in some sort of way so

my my argument would be that

enough

yeah i agree that america seems to be the bigger

threat well they are right the japanese constitution literally been written by the u s so

yeah so i see that as a bigger issue but all i'm saying is

i think china hopefully they would be more you know

they would take a more peaceful approach but

i'm saying that would just be off of just good faith i don't see i don't see why materially they would do that

well i think it would have every reason to be i think we need to start shifting

to a view about the new world order that's emerging right

where we kind of came from european modernity which is this very cynical view of

hobbsy in view that you know if you can act like a pirate and a barbarian you will so it just gives rise to this cynicism where the default

is like

f

um

barbarism towards your neighbors right

but if we actually study

the history let's just focus on asia specifically for the past few thousand years we can see that

there were times where

mean hundreds of years could pass where

all sorts of dynasties and governments could engage in aggression but because of things like

honor right because of things like

precedent and customs and traditions they just consider it

prohibited and not sying

there was attempts

there were times when

chinese dynasties could have like developed

um

these specific gunpowder technologies and they didn't because of the confucian ethics and these these are not just like the

you know

uh some kind of like

completely

miraculous good faith i think things like

a honor

ethics and so on these are what define our humanity in the first place right

so we should start looking at a post hobbsyan kind of view of international relations where

we shouldn't assume that just because someone has an advantage of powers

that

they're going to

that it's a jungle right where it's just going to be complete

um dog eat dog and the bigger dog eats the small dog

because

believe it or not that's not how human civilization has worked

for the majority of the time that existed i mean there were a lot of instances of

conquest and so on

but on europe mostly yeah i agree precisely yh things like honor right things like you

things like tradition and precedent

have had a very very huge role in governing the interaction between civilizations

before european modernity and i think

we're entering an era in which

this is starting to become a factor again right it's not the only factor but it is starting to become

a working factor

yeah yeah i see what you're saying there yeah that is true maybe if

china takes a more

hands off eastern approach

maybe you know but like i said it could that it doesn't have to necessarily be a military force but i could still see a

a pro china sort of a quasi puffet state in japan

you know just just being pro china right not necessarily that it's taken over by china but

just being just the government in the ruling class in japan being pro china just because china has so much influence

on that region

i could see that being an issue still and i think that would that would still and that would antagonize

the japanese people

m in some sort of way so i think that would be ugly regardless you know i think

either way if the u s collaps things would change

anyway but

i con still see china being a

a threat to japan in some way maybe their way of living currently which you can make an argument maybe it's a good thing

i

but

oh yeah that would be my i guess my last point there

ok

cool yeah that was pretty much it i think we had a pretty reasonable conversation

i don't think we can we resolve anything but

and you made some good points that i maybe should consider hopefully i made you know good points i i don't i didn't really hear haven't really heard

uh you know i have heard you guys talk about technocracy or you know just like a new sort of approach in any sort of way so

i think it was a good conversation so i don't mean i don't

hopefully don't find this insulting but there's some people in my chat who are time you have debated you before

is it true

ah no i don't think so

okay i don't know why they're saying that but

some people in my chat are saying like you were a libertarian before and i debated you or something

uh yeah i'm not really sure

about that but

okay ya i'm i'm seeing jason i'm not sure who that is uh

but yeah i personally don't

remember anything but

people are telling me that so i just

sorry i don't know maybe yeah i don't know

maybe i

i i have a voice that sounds familiar to jason or whatever i don't i don't know but

yeah okay cool well thanks for the conversation a gues

i

thank you see yeup

why are you guys telling me that this is the free market of airplanes guy

he's japanese he told me he's japanese ok let's ok let me listen to it

i don't know why i'm listening

the free let me look at that fucking debate again

why are you guy you guys are saying that i don't know why you're saying that

that's why every state had a monopoly on coinage in the past it's not just

not only the local california but

rn some of these companies

but that's just because that's what we live in right now in america but what i'm saying is even if it was a completely free market

google and amazon and these companies would still be large

and they would split their monopolies

i don't know if it's him honestly i don't

it does sound kind of similar but it's different

y it's different

george your monopolies witch hurt

free markets

yeah but again if the mark if the customers are deciding which product is better if google os

it sounds a little bit

similar but i don't i don't think yeah it is kind of different it is kind of different

please have better search engine

i'm fine with people choosing google over another platform

so why do you have a problem if the overwhelming majority of chinese people oose

me eight

the dist

what

we there

ok

but i mean i'm talking about what exists now so we have

travel now

so i don't know even if we i don't know i don't know

ok regardless this

this was a i want to talk to more of these neo reactionary people

and these futurists

because i just like talk it's like interesting isn't it interesting

i just i like that content more i like talking about it more i get way less annoyed and i get way less frustrated talking about this shit

because it's like i feel like there's a point here

to it right wre we're talking about the future right

and we're talking about something new and we're talking i love talking about the warlordship and

whatever like

the hypothetical post apocalyptic scenario like i like talking about the science fiction i like talking about this stuff

i get really frustrated and my patience becomes thin

when i talk about pointless shit with people like that guy last night

ya i mean i'll get extremely frustrated right

but when we're talking about something interesting

i actually like it right

i like

i like talking about it i want to have

i kind of want to have a podcasty vibe sometimes

where i want to bring on transhumanists and i want them to talk meat and potatoes about shit like

i like that i kinda like that right

now

that's what i really want

i would love for nick land to come on

but he hasn't responded yet

but nick land would be very very

much like i would rather have nick land than even g on

honesty

ah i'd love to have moldbook on any time moldbook wants i don't know how to contact moldbook right i don't know how to contact that guy

love to have m on

no nick is not going to fucking come on and get me ben

can you imagine if i had on nick land and he just start saying the n word or something he wouldn't do that shit

you would not do that

why would he do that s it

ah you would not do that

i do want doogan on

i'm going to actually try and make sure i won't get banned for because he's a bad word dogan's like a bad word on you know

he's considered a bad word

ok so twich partnership got back to me

and what they told me is that

you can streamin other platforms at any time as long as it doesn't fall within how licensed content is described in your partnership agreements

what does that focking mean

what does that mean

i don't know what that means

ok

go what up carter

that guy was in l a

but i don't yeah i don't know what that fucking means

because some people have told me that i can still do it

right

he means you can't play video games on youtube but instagram live is

you can't sham any of the platforms you're supposed to wait twenty four hours

have you ever gotten that

confirmed

buy like a twitch employee or are you just assuming that

because there are partners who stream on twitch

i mean stream on youtube on the side

oh head of partnership is a ok i got you

it's so fucked up how i

i ask i literally emailed

asking them

and they sent me this response like not even giving me a clear answer theyre like this is different when you can stream

they said i cannot legally interpret the partners tell me yes or no

wli we shld

um

i need to really figure out my options

as far as that's concerned

they kind of ben the rules on i you live and to talk yeah

i

i really need to um

figure out what my options are if i can negotiate a new contract with them

or i may consider

just depending on how the rest of february goes

i may reconsider the partnership agreement altogether and see about leaving

the partnership

contract

right

because

i'm not really sure if it's worth it to me

m if that's

the rules i'm going to have to really think about it

mean it is really nice to be a partner pecially when you go to like twitchcon and shit

a

like it's ex i don't i don't know

it the check mark is also like it's so annoying not having a fucking check mark

five

i don't know right i feel like

it's a better avenue of growth

not commute it's twitch is a better place to have a community

but youtube is better for growth

right and ideally i want to stream on you tube sometimes and just bring them back here

and that's how that's how i've grown right

so

it's kind of tough

you set up your own website in sabs with paypal and keep your partnership

oh

m

yeah but that the only reason i'd be going on youtube is to grow the community

just to grow right cause you tube has a way bigger pool of viewers to draw from

and it's not that i like you two more than twitch overall i like twitch better

it's just that sometimes i feel like it's time to go back to you tube

temporarily just to grow more right

yeah the discovery in t o s yeah we'll see we'll see i'll put that on the back burner and we'll have to see about that

um

but anyway

we can briefly check the redit

right and we're going to get into some news i have a lot to cover guys

a fuck toun to cover today just a lot to get into

there's so much we're behind on

and then there's also a documentary about the british empire that i want to watch

um

but i don't even know if we're going to have time to watch that today

but

we'll definitely watch and tomorrow i think i am having a one v one showdown debate

asto setting it up

where it's going to be pestose guy versus someone else and i'm going to be moderating

right

but and then saturday i don't even know if i'm streaming because i might go see my uncle

but the next time i have the ability to i want to watch that documentary

but i have so much lined up for content to day

then i don't know if we have time

ah what are you saying pestol

no there's no one v one

i thought you were sending one up

alist check out this

let's check out this redit

ok

did has ever watch this debate onstream

anaksparian firs ben shapiro

yeah we got a lot of content to wantch

you see anything anything anything

look ha out of my car

done

i

ow

this is fokter

wait until you guys see this shit

holy fok wait until you see this

o

done

it's one of nature's most

beautiful ight

the convoy

eight

oy

that going have my car

whatk

how

ah that's weird

that's weird i'm sorry i don't know to tell you

i don't know how to explain that

that's fugkin weird

that is fok and' weird

ok

that is fuck and' weird

speaking of the devil

we got an r t

we' got so much shit to cover we have so much ithit to cover holy fox

a

so much i don't even know where to start

y

nord stream we go we' talk about ukraine and the convoy a little bit

i think here's what we're going to do

we're going to first here's how we're going to organize this first we're going to cover

some of the convoy news

ok actually i want to

then we're going to cover twitter stuff

that i wanted to cover

and then we're goinga cover ukraine

and then

we're going to watch the c pusas good morning revolution video ok

so first thing i want to show you this

bok

we' going to watch this r tv

gam

strictions put an estimated ten thousand truckers off the road but the actual number is like and then there's a video essay about debate bros that i wanted to watch

i don't know if we have time

they much higher

on january the fifteenth canada rolled out a standardized proof of covered nineteen vaccination system the new set of rules encompassed safe travel and social interaction regulations including one seemingly minute requirement canadian or american trucker transiting through canada must be vaccinated that would bring justin trudeau's government face to face with a country wide protest

they call themselves members of the freedom convoy and for those wondering who they are and what they want welcome to the freedom convoy related canada's freedom convoy is a self organized mass protest made up of long haul truckers and essential workers the movement formed shortly after the new covert restrictions demanded those re entering the country go through a two week

quarantine ultimately putting a brake on a lot of that work my husband and i bll drive me were out of work and you know we wow so a lot of it's on so so much for that shit we were told

that oh how can they afford to do this shit

can't afford to have a fine we're trying to make money for a family so now they say well this is an angle where we haven't gone before is it

the main goal is to end government overreach i drive a one of these trucks monday to friday sixty sixty five hours a week out of ontario canada and what is happening over here is an absolute tragedy we're already in canada twenty three thousand driver short and by putting these mandates it further puts strain on the system of almost sixteen thousand more

drivers which is going to drive the price those canadians who felt disenfranchised by the new system quickly established an online presence well do they were disenfranchised can we su watch that again

because i think they're saying there's a reason they call themselves members of the freedom convoy and for those wondering who they are and what they want welcome to the freedom convoy related canada's freedom convoy is a self organized mass protest made up of long haul truckers and essential workers the movement formed shortly after the new covert restrictions demanded

those re entering the country go through a two week quarantine

oh

holy fox

wait a second so this isn't even about

vaccines

why have we never heard this before

it's because of the two week quarantine that's putting them out of work and putting them out of a fucking job

what a fuck

wait wait what

no one's ever reported on this

like zero people have reported on this

holy fuck now that makes a lot of sense

no i didn't know this

i was continually being told

that they just don't want to take the vaccine i didn't know that it was because

they're going to be put out of work for two weeks

should i make a tweet about this because i don't think a lot of people know this

i okay i'm going to make a tweet about this because i didn't even fucking know this i didn't know this i'm going to tweet it

today i just found out

did you know that the

to we quarantine for the unvaccinated

oh

well it's

quarantin folks moor norse they lose two weeks of income

only for the unvexed

ok we need to watch more first we need to watch more first

ok

cuse yeah i need to watch more

ultimately putting a brake on a lot of that work my husband and i all drive me were ot of work and you know we can't afford to have a fine we're trying to make money for a family so now they say the main goal is to end government overreach i drive a one of these trucks monday to friday sixty sixty five hours a week out of ontario canada and what is happening over here is an absolute

tragedy we're already in canada twenty three thousand driver short and by putting these mandates it further puts strain on the system of almost sixteen thousand more drivers i think though that that two week quarantine thing

is like

it does make economically like why they would be upset

and as you go why don't you just get the vaccine

because truckers are not very social people they're not like

there that's not what's on their mind what's on their they're stressed out fucking delivering shit from point a to point b

and it's like all of a sudden there's this new thing

they have to care about i just think they just find it in they're just overly stressed already you know

which is going to drive the price so' like it's like the straw that breaks the camel's back basically

those canadians who felt disenfranchised by the new system quickly established an online presence two years of generating a supply chain crisis to now throw mandates at truckers who sit in their truck all day long by themselves on january twenty second the first cohort of the movement's followers departed the town of prince rupert i think it's become like a source of t solidarity

thirty

it's not specifically about vaccines as much as it's about like

the truckers

are using this as a way to

um

what's the word

insist upon their significance like you don't insist

gain recognition like

nobody recognizes them

nobody fucking thinks about them or anything like that you know

destination ottawa this is a but amid concerns of roadblocks and spikes in corona virus cases justin trudeau made a statement

small fringe minority

of people who are on their way to ottawa or who are

holding unacceptable

the views that they're expressing

do not represent

the views of canadians who have been there for each other

so how fringe is this fringe minority really

well raleigh organizers estimated around fifty thousand trucks conservative media hosts threw out the number at ten thousand but fact checkers like snopes dismissed these stats as a gross exaggeration so far no one can agree on the exact numbers however if you work from the government's evaluation that ten to fifteen per cent of workers in the trucking i have had food outside waiting

for literally three hours

i here

wy it's not been here

so where is my food

it's

it's just it's just it's i ordered three hours ago it's still a

it's still not completed

it's fucking insane

industry remain unvaccinated at the time of producing this video that would mean that some sixteen thousand truckers found themselves hit by the new covert restrictions

on top of the vehicles though many canadians are joining the carps on foot

once we

re left from troning to from toronto to order w all the avire seen go woys all the small cars all kind of vehicles there but they are going in the sport off convoy and the people who are standing on the bridges it was minus twenty five temptted outside and people who are standing on the bridges of it their kids and elderly peoples days after the movement set its wheels in motion

evidence was dragged up which threw the characters of the rlli's leading figures into serious question one of them patrick king was found to have previously not only spewed nationalist propaganda but also advocated for violence so far gone that the only way that and i'm going to say it ot aloud the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets and yeah i said it that's the only way something's going to happen

a massive revolution on a huge scale the convoys attracting supporters with a wide range of views some more extreme than others it's visible in their social media discussions with some calling for canna

i had food in my fridge

version of the january sixth insurrection king is in the convoy and claims to be an organizer

he is known for his far right views and using homophobic and racist language in the past this gentleman patrick king i've never met him

he's not our board of directors he's not a trucker the only truck that he owns a conka truck

this other person james

wait what

isn't that the guy youq showed me as like the leader of the convoy

you told me he's the leader of the convoy would happen

seems bolder i it's funny nobody really cared until there were millions of dollars in the go fun me and then all of a sudden all these you know hangars on the opportunists want to get involved and take over the movement don't go to the media and say that you're part of our group because you're not fair it's not for the truckers that are sitting out there that have been there for almost two weeks that they just want legislation passed

they can get back to their lives and these opportunisests are ruining everything or least trying to ruin everything for them and despite the majority of the group visibly distancing themselves from such ragical views this convoy with the truckers this is about peace this is a bot love

for our country love for our fellow canadians love for humanity justin trudeau was still removed from his residence on the grounds of security what started out as a single expression of demonstration through what was called the freedom convoys was changedial by the time the convoy made it to ottawa the rally had expanded far beyond the

dude i don't care about the fucking teamsters

both a cardiologist and a family physician

i wrote me a letter recommending that i do not

get the vaccine

i use this i

medical exempt letter everywhere i go to to get me into places that needs

require a q r code

it's worked everywhere

exce for r c r

and now

the y m c a where i was trying to come to watch my daughter play basketball

i wasn't with the trucker before fruckered with thel political tension on parliament hill intensified with party starting to point fingers of blame all the while calls from the protesors for a sit down with the prime minister grew did i get the justic s i did that the ch

by january twenty ninth thousands of people had flooded the capital streets and as the number swelled so did media reports of vandalism after a weekend that saw monuments disrespected homeless shelters targeted nationalist

i haveve got to be careful

nazi symbols we called him out he's going to hold his head in shame now someboy kicked him out

for those elements very disturbing also seen confederate flags at least two and a nazi flag as well and it was this that came to dominate broadcast coverage

like two flags basically

a you m a sed

residents and businesses fed up with the ongoing disruption c b c is telling us well these violent truckers nobody's supporting us yet why don't you c b c come down to the soup kitchen and try to feed some homeless people or help us clean the war memorial and it seems

that nothing not even showing the other face of the rally where peaceful law abiding protesters lent a helping hand could sway the lawmakers it's reallyush we had voices that call for the overthrow of the government we need to cut off the pipeline of funding to these mercenaries

wealth that are unlawfully protest

no

i'm going to explain to you guys how domino effects work

so an adominal effect

okay

when

you have a small movement

and the media misrepresents you so severely

it inspires more loyalty to that movement

the movement grows

and it's a feedback loop the more the media misrepresents and lies about them

the more people

witness that

and the more they join in

staying in occupying our communities next a blow dealt by go fun me the platform used by the movement to raise funds saw the one million strong sum frozen indefinitely the number had topped ten million canadian dollars more money than was raised by canada's top political parties in the final quarter of two thousand and twenty one they seem to want to have one narrative and if you are questioning that narrative or disagree

with that narrative or you just have a difference of opinion you're shut down currently right now they have turned off the disabled the facebook page for the convoy and stop con

i'm pretty sure

this was before the emergency act right

tss to the media coverage stories and footage of canadians help each other out found their way to social media whoever these people are they had their kids do up a bag with a cookie in it for the truckers and they attached a note with it but there are oring there sorry i get emotional again i want to show you what it was

and this is why we're doing what we're doing the don't note says dear mr or mrs trucker it's really awesome that you're standing up for human rights i'm only eleven so i don't know much about it but i believe what's happening is wrong and i know you can do it sincerely kate

media moguls like donald trump and illa mosque backed the protesors

i ate a lot of hot food

are peanuts

but is salt and peanuts good for hot food

and the story made its way on to international news we want those great canadian truckers to know that

we are with them all the way they are they've really shown time to move on we've reached out to members of the freedom convoy to gauge reaction to the media's portrayal of that movement but's actually pretty disturbing what the media is trying to do to this this organization all i can say is they're saying we're desecrating monuments and it's totally opposite as they have their splies with them they have

food and everything why would this deal it from homeless people what kind of question is this and what kind of covery they are doing i don't get it many of our truckers who are either veterans or come from veteran families

were very upset whether or not it was true that it could even happen so what they did is they went they got their shovels they cleaned out all the snow in the area better than the city ever does they sweeped it up they went and bought flowers and did a whole flower bouquet and then they stationed some of them some of the veterans at the war memorial and were taking shifts twenty four seven just to make

sure nothing actually happens on january thirty first justin trudeau addressed the media reports from his hideout in new edinburgh

over the past few days

canadians were shocked

and frankly

has he been hiding

what you mean is hide out

whw was he hiding

disgussed

by the behavior displayed by some people protesting in our nation's capit

i want to be very clear

we are not

intimidated

several opposition party members spoke in defence of the pres

he got pidew's worst jeans

protests the convoy itself is becoming a symbol of the fatigue

and the

the division

we're seeing in this country i will ask the prime minister who may i remind this house war black face on our times th he can remember apologize to the peace loving patriotic

i guy shut the fok up i use the wrong word

it' not jeans whatever

he inherited the worst

canadians who are outside right now just asking to be heard well he and so an even greater political divide both in the media and the public was created

why any conservative m p would want to get anywhere within a on thousand miles of that kind of group it is hard to winnow out the sort of good hearted but confused protesters what i've seen over the past two years it's been devastating is breaks it breaks my heart because my

government supposed to have my back when i'm out there working hard and i'm trying to do my job keep these stores like like this wonderful store behind me this this warehouse that's going to fill up my trailer and go he's called

i thought these were a bunch of hotb trucks

i thought these were all like a bunchle of blake

fleet owning capitalist

i me a racist extremist what if i done to deserve that amid confusing media reports trying to locate the guilty party behind this noisy movement there is concern that russian actors could be continuing to fuel things as this as this protest grows but perhaps even instigating it

it from from the outset

the truckers took control of the u s canadian border in alberta at the beginning of february and in spite of warnings issued by officials it seems that some members of the freedom convoy are here to stay people ask me

it's all wright up

how long a you going to stay here and i respond however long it takes to remove these mandates and these passports trudeau can come out and be a hero or at least claim to be a hero you know how

by listening to the people

whether the demands of the freedom convoy are met or not the societal rift on federal covert policies remains it seems sixty seven per cent of canadians want even stricter measures imposed on the unvaccinated

b

business not west ins

right

what this proves to me

that canada should not a sovereign country destroy the anti trucker fake leftists

thank you french stre what this proves to me is that canada should not be a sovereign country

because

if you

you know what i mean

that's what it proves to me

now hold on you may say all that no i'll tell you what

because

if you think about what makes a country

it's being able to have a majority of the population

not be institutionalized

and not be living in bubbles

and i feel like canadas

a country where the majority of people live in bubbles

and for that reason i don't think it should be allowed to make decisions by itself

so i think canada should

b next

by the usa

with almost half of the respondents blaming the latter for prolonging the pandemic

justin trudo has ripped this country's flag in half if he thinks it's a freumiliarity come face them over there talk to them why are you hiding

the convoys on the michigan border

they got rid of it they diy to they they shut it down

i'll show you who shut it down to but our prime minister doesn't understand is all those trucks that are there they're not working because of his mandates so they have nowhere else to go it's about unity and healing and bringing this country back together again and we're getting there we are getting so close and i thank you so much from here

i'm fifty years old and look what happens i'm not supposed to cry i'm a truck driver thank you so much thank you

i

i want to show you who shut down the michigan

canada trucker convoy i'll show you

ready

this is who shut it down

wre

nothing scares me

nothing

yes i docked the truckers i did it it was me i had to give sen go baby

and i do it again

i don't the times

i did it i did it

come at me what are you to do what are you to do to me ha

this is literally worse acting than fucking amazon prime movies

you go on amazon prime and you just see that shitty acting they have

this is literally why did you know

i'm so sick of the government they have the shittiest actors

you know you think the u s government most powerful government in the world

and this is like a b movie this is a low budget actor but the government doesn't care because they're like

a majority of people are dumb asses and can't even tell

this is literally an actor

of course the government did it and they like

hey just got this guy

i promise you this as an actor

i'm not joking about that by the way

i'm not joking and saying oh it's an actor ha ha funny funny

it literally is an actor it's not a joke

i'm not

telling a joke i'm telling you

the truth

this is a focking act

why does he have an npc idol animation

why does he have an idole animation

i act epic hosting i act barar i act gab

i act true social i act

go

get said go

i don't care

look at all these girls given him flowers

i'm you can glatrially put my name into the newstab on google is there literally a destiny stream in the background

and you can find everything i've done oh there's not

hortter four

i am literally in every mainstream media publication for the things that i do

i'm not an unknown actor

i'm literally a famous bucking cyber terrorist

and you think that you could scare me

say they always default of the pedophile accusations they always default of that because they have nothing else

it's actually some projection that guy i want to see his browser history that guy loves little girls

i've hunted pedophiles i've outed pedophiles

he literally look he sounds like dylan the hacker you know dylan the hacker from youtube

ll rings online i have gotten pedophiles arrested buddy you

gity by well pay for what he did

and i will make sure

that gerty pot like that's fucking dill in the hacker dude

no idea who the hell i am

this is literally a fucking actor

it is like someone acting like a hacker

m

there isn't proof of sit you fucking lying little c

nine

i'm going to restart this live

come

back

this is an actor

ok

promise you it's an actor

but apparently this was the guy who hacked

the the the thing the

the the fuck the website that they were using

to communicate and send money

so the convoy

was shut everyone was docked it was shut down

on the what's the fucking bridge

i should know this

detroit bridge to what is that fucking bridge called

the ambassador bridge yeah there was a convoy on the ambassador bridge

and they shut it down

yeah with the am bassador bridge the windsor yeah

that one

al mi touley

don't spam me again you get perman bak

do not fucking copy and pastient and spam me with it

i saw your message i don't care

i'm not interested right now

take a hint

not because i didn't see it

i do see you know you send me a lot of random tweets and they're not always appreciated

actually they're never appreciated

telling you the truth

i always get a twitter notification

message request

here i'm thinking it's gonna be you know

here i'm thinking is going to be like a i g model with five hundred thousand followers

and it's this al ma coula guy

giveing me a clip of some random shit going on

in fucking portugal i don't care dude

all right

stop sending me that shit

ok

more pat sock discourse

so i got to break this shit down actually wing to cover more news i'll get into this later tonight ok

we're going to cover more news

because i want to talk i we're going to cover some ukraine stuff

ok

then we're going to watch this togic thing a to

ok let's

yeah we go

this is the reason for the ukrainian

the controversial pipeline nordstream two would enable russia to send natural gas beneath

if the baltic

see

to germany which wants to phase out coal

and where what the fuck is this

who made this

look

i liked it until i saw he had pants and now i know it's fury artwork

and it got ruined

you got ruined

i saw it before i realized it was a furry

and

i literally just saw this in our discord

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like elsewhere in europe natural gas prices are steep

this pipeline could affordably heat

twenty six million german homes

and by piping gas there directly russia bypasses ukraine

potentially depriving it of some to

billion dollars

transit

that russia currently pays to send gas through its territory

so ukraine russia has to pay ukraine a fuck ton of money to transport gas and it's bypassing that

but germany a nato member

has asked the u s congress not to impose sanctions

threatened against russia

should it invade ukraine

sanctions ukraine president slenski has asked congress to approve

boom bust co host investigative journalist ben swan

how important is this russian gap

will holland in a word

very it's not just that russian natural gas can

quickly

get to europe it's that the price of that natural gas is significantly lower than it is in alternative places

like the united states or cutter

but pipelines are only one of two ways that europe consumes russian gas

the other

is through elen g or liquefied natural gas

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energy crunch

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the us talks

potential war

with russia over ukraine

in order to help ease some of the energy fears the biden administration has been encouraging e u countries

purchase american natural gas

and has been lining up cutter as a potential partner to provide

len g and natural gas to europe

president joe baden only weeks ago designated cutter a major non nato ally

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exporter of liquefied natural gas or l n g

is eager to help

but might only be able to offer limited assistance

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if russia were to disrupt the flow of energy supplies

europe

and we should mention that the american push to get

europe to be less dependent on russian natural gas actually goes back to the trumpetdministration at that time

they referred to american natural gas as

freedom gap

problem is

part of the reason that never caught on besides the

brilliant name

is the fact that

that natural gas coming from the united states is still two to three dollars more expensive per unit

than the cheaper

russian natural gas

reporting for the big picture

i've been sow

thanks been status quo the military build up along the ukraine border is being described as the biggest military mobilization since world war two

back then the usa and germany were enemies and russia was our ally

now with all eyes on ukraine what

is germany to do

let's ask dr ia hamer publisher of the german business magazine workshoft actu well

welcome

allttle workoup

and joins us from germany so there may be a slight delay

how concerned are the german

people over the prospect of war in

well the german people especially the ordinary man on the street everybody every man's joe as you would call it is very concerned if you would make a call a fall

maybe ninety eight to ninety nine percent of

the germans would say no more and

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to do everything

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when thousands of blue collar workers showed up in ottawa several weeks ago to protest the tyranny being imposed against them

prime minister of canada refused

to meet with them or to speak to them

instead he fled the city

and then from his bunker

he called the truckers nazi

when they still didn't leave the city just introduce suspended democracy

and declared canada a dictatorship

the federal government

has invoked

the emergencies at

to supplement provincial and territorial

oh my god

capacity

to address the blockades

is fidel's son

oh my god why

it actually is look at

and occupations the emergencies act

will be used to strengthen and support the law enforcement agencies

at all levels

across the country

this is about keeping canadians safe

protecting people's jobs

and restoring confidence in our institutions

so let's be clear this is a defining moment in the history

canada in the history of the english speaking west

the emergencies act

is martial law

it has never been invoked

in the history of that country

now by law the emergencies act is allowed only in emergenci

in quote urgent and critical situations that

houllly shit

seriously endanger the lives health or safety

of canadian

what's happening now does not qualify what's happening in canada now is not an emergen

here's what it looks like this weekend

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this is not an infrared convention

sou the fock of

according to justin trudeau

everyone you saw in that tape is a terrorist even the kids in their bouncy cat

justin show has unilaterally revoked their civil liberties

and authorized men with automatic weapons to haul them to jail

was allowed for the rest of this man for example making food for the terrorist

you can receive a free meal irregardless of what me you're from what caste creed religion doesn't matter it's about the community kitchen we all eat as one and humanity's equal so the sava concept helping the community is what we're practicing here today we're here alongside the truckers in the fight for freedom and we're doing our part from the sick faith

so again all of these people can now be arrested on site simply because of where they're standing but being arrested is the least of their problem

an arrest suggests bail

you can get out of jail

you can't get out of the country just intrudeau has just made

under martial law trudeau now has the power to force banks to seize their bank account

and insurance companies to cancel their insurance

that means they can't actually live in canada anymore they are non persons they're enemies of the state what the fuck i din't know that

and they will be crushed

i said it

at least one trucker knows exactly what's coming he has seen him before

he came to canada from nickolai chocheskus romania

jod the fokp man come on

oh you just have to ruin it every time and you have to just fuck and bring in the bullshit anti communism bro shot the fuck of

why did oarll people meen to oy

roll you're like thirty years old ok

you lived like

you're fucking ten years old when

he was overthrown due don't fuck and act like you know anything about fucking communism

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the people one hundred eighty or two hundred people to decide to life for my or another canadian like twenty a twenty nine year old guy

now's talk forup to some people they decide your life like three hundred people they decide your life when you are thirty million let us vote

so it is an overstatement to compare what is happening in canada right now to what happens in a stalinis dictatorship of the slogans are different

in the eastern block the s talk about solidarity in canada they talk about diversity

ro shut the fock up with his dumb ass angle

when every single communist country does not enforce mandates

but the repression

is similar

today

canada's deputy prime minister by the way is a former american journalist maybe not surprisingly

announce that going forward justin trureau

will regulate all crowd funding

and crypto currency

under the terrorist financing

really so just introda is now in charge

of all of your final

he's in charge of crypto currency how is that

how does that work and i what justification

and if that wasn't clear

trudeau's minority government unilaterally just sent another half a billion dollars to the authoritarian state of ukraine

where the

head of the rival political party is now under arrest

and where opposition media has been banned

yeah but do you know who else is banned in ukraine is the communist party dude

just stop this bullshit angle you're doing

that's the country they're now in solidarity

you can see where this is going in fact it's already there

i'm steve ducy i'm brian kill me and i meanslay your heart and click

right

so there you go emergencies act

i

finally

where do you even begin

ok

so i think assan did a stream where he was like

dave chapel yes did you guys hear the thing where dave chapelle killed affordable housing

and let's watch a suntream actually

i'm going to show you

dave chapelle killed a so affordable housing

hassan dave chappelle so let me show you what a

great way

that hassan reports against th g its

so this is our s on reports the facts keep this in mind this is our son reports the facts

chapelle story there is a development project happening in the town the dave chappelle is from in ohio if you're a ha san viewer it to blow your fuck in mind

i'm about to rock your world

you know he's a bit of a king in this town for the record for those of you who don't know he's a bit of a god in this town is a lot of money he brings a lot of business there dave chapelle is vowing pull investments from the ohio town that he's been living in for a while if it doesn't stop this affordable housing plan so dave chappelle puts his balls on the

table at the city council meeting and he basically stops this new development project thatad in its

tracks

can you hear me

yes

hi i'm big spell

i just want to say

and marian i could talk to you about this privately

so i don't know why the bvillage council would be afraid of litigation from a twenty four million dollars year company while it it's out

a sixty five million dollar year company i cannot believe you would make me audition

for you

look like so he's saying he's a sixty five million dollar company on his own like that's him he's like a brand and the twenty four million dollar company is the developer's i guess or the

twenty four million dollars development that they are taking on and he's saying like how dare you make me audition for you even though i can talk to him so is i don't know exactly i don't know exactly the details are is he exclusively is he for the development but against the affordable units

in which case it's totally fucked up

that is like the villain is most villainous shit you can do if you're pro development

but literally specifically just against the affordable units then that is complete why ok

what you don't even know anything

comletely unacceptable like the absolute worst if he's confused

and he thinks that like affordable units are not actually affordable

or the affordable units are a lie to fucking accelerate the development in like you know fast track this shit and that it's all just going to be rich condominiums or whatever the fuck or market rate condos they're building then that's one thing so i don't understand because like i do believe or i have thought for the longest time that day was actually pro housing like but they s did actually support and which was fucking weird i remember being like i remember talking shit about that so let's watch this

you w a youang gang guy i'm not

i will take it all off the table

that's all thanks

back

so i'm going to your poser an article about this and said even they admitted the plan is bullshit is not like you said's not it's just like sai there promis afforable housing but not actually implementing it immediately they're being six hundre k houses just like you said so i'm hearing conflicting things on this ok if you're pro but he's going to bef he's going to hear the other side

afordable housing units then your piece of shit there's just no other way around it like you're literally a just an awful person ok i don't know how i was describe it like you just don't want you just don't want fucking poor people in your backyar so this guy was a liar

that's it as perdt this this tweitter

its whichh is the council rule the build can continue which david a was a lying tweeter

and the rest wanted but will do so without letting poor people in which was their primary objection to the build is going on i justu in to and just make certain the developer was explicitly putting land aside for affordable housing without even plans for it yet oh so ok so it is so it is bullshit so like both sides are villainous in the circumstance where like i just i hate this when when both sides are capitalist this fuck in the situation one you have the community members that personally think that affordable housing units are actually going to fuck and decrease their property value whichy see a an investment vehicle and not just a house they live inside of a shelter and then you have a fucking developer capitalist

developer that's like taking advantage of the well natured individuals by saying oh you know this development is actually great but we're you know we're going to what

so how do you know chapelle

he didn't know that it was bolsted

buil affordable housing units on top of that when they're not actually interested in builing affordable housing units at all and they're just setting aside land specifically for the affordable housing unit without even fucking building them ok so if dave turns around and in that circumstance says no you should even set land aside for affordable housing units then he's the worst in the situation no i'm pretty sure ok you'll see the truth

ok i'm going to show you the truth i wt i want to see like

assan's way of

dealing with the truth

i want to s show you that

equation that's incredibly fucking reactionary if theys position is what the fuck are you guys doing you're not going to fuck and just send land aside you have to build affordable housing units that's fucking bullshit and the main development should not be made specifically for three hundred to six hundred thousand dollars housing units which is like price adjusted to the region but instead cheaper ok then that makes sense so i know for a fact that dave chapelle loves yellow springs he does he literally he does like he might even personally think that he's doing the right thing for the people that are surrounding him in yellowsprings it just happens to be the people that are surroundinghm

yellow prings are you know petite bourgeois business owners that are also against the development project because this is ok i pro'm going to make a bridiction

there's going to be a new

way in which the left copes with being unpopular

is they're going to call everyone petit bouzewa

oh you're petite bourgeois you're not like the most poor homeless guy on the street

so it's actually because you'r petite bougeois

or at the very least i guess development project in the affordable unit part of the development project tension because comedian dave chappelle says he's opposed to it

during a public village council meeting earlier this week apelle said he will pull his business investments from the village if council approves the development

n sais have his jump but i'll talk to the village manager about the proposed plan and chapell's concerns

we're on the south end of yellow springs this is just a cornfield right now but it's the site where a new housing development would go if this current proposal goes through

and it's creating some controversy here in the village

the proposed housing development calls for single family duplexes in townhomes be builtt a corner of hyde and spilling road

about two and half mile drive from downtwn ll spring

comiand chapel didn't say specifically why he was opposed to the pro

people are going to get mad at me but like i am literally the most libertarian andy when it comes to fucking ohio and shit oka bro it's literally it's yellow springs ohio like what it's a fucking cornfield like what are you preserving dog build fucking housing in that cornfield right now ok like build fucking housing in the cornfield right now like

why you don't need funcking

why don't you just build another town or something why is it

there's plenty of land to build new cities in ho

why do you need to build housing on that fucking cornfield it's fucking stupid

listen

housing is one piece of the puzzle

there's the commute and there's the jobs ky

just because you're going to be building affordable housing somewhere

doesn't mean it's going to it's going to be lucrative to be you know i mean a there's so many factors

re people to being able to fuck and live somewhere you know it's just fucking stupid

right this very moment build it yesterday what the fuck are you doing what are you preserving dude the corn the ugly at there's not a shorte there's no shorting of shortage of homes

in america

there's a shortage of

buck in affordable housing in cities

most you want to live in the city

you can fuck and move into a

you can move here

where i live

and live live fine kay

most people don't want to do that

they want to go to new york or l a

that's fucking field is that we're preserving we i live in los angeles and in this fucking city they take down beautiful monuments okre's a city with some fucking history because l a is a fucking crowded shitthole

take down fucking churches eo part don't compare the rest of the world to l a don't compare fuckings some tiny town in ohio to fucking l a

and he built that is about the most arrogant elitist shit i've ever heard in my life he's comparing like

some random fuckin town in ohio to fuck at l a

there's not a you don't need housing in this town

you don't

there's plenty of places

there's not a shortage of fuck and housing

luxury condominiums at its place ugly ass brutalist architecture they pop up left and fucking right you're offended in afraid of a fucking cornfield it doesn't even have corn on it built some fucking houses there now are you fucking kidding me plann say this why

virtue why build houses why don't you build schools or a hospital or someth

you only

you know i mean

why houses which council meeting this week as one say

i'm admbly opposed but obviously i live behind the development with the proposed development he was one of the people who spoke against the plan at a public meeting i do have many business interests in town i invested millions of dollars

in town

if you push this thing through

what i'm investing in is no longer applicable for perspective shapelle keep an office in downtown yllo springs and has at least two redevelopment projects in the works there

as we reported last year his company bought this former firehouse on cory street and is converting it into a comedy club and restaurant

plus just dow the road on dayton street auppells company owns this old schoolhuse

there's plans to renovate it and it literally just fucking feels like it just feels like he wants to preserve the beauty of that town that he's living in right like i mean i don't mean to come across like a fucking assole and so what's we even if that was true what's wrong with that

it's not like there's like u there's no there's not enough space in this country and

like what do you yeah everyone's just lining up to live in this fucking

down ude shut the fuck up

what like even if that was true which is not the case

what is wrong with that

there's it's not like why do you

there's no it's not like this is a crowded place where they need to make room

be like i just don't even understand why he would li like what's the problem like you don't want fucking more housing is going to help your fucking comedy club i'm just saying

spoke to the c council meber whovoted for proposal said chappell neverpeified reason for wanting it killed she said the proposal failed because chapell's threats top pos businessro the town chapelle this is chapelle's like fiftom for the record he owns this town straight up i know for a fucking fact i just don't know why he would not want this to

ok i don't know if he owns the whole thing is this building i think he

you can have a say probably a big say in like

the policies because of his investments but

tof even if trying to fuck and build a comedy aesthetic are not a comedyic are even you try to build like a fucking comedy shop there like that's going to happen you guys are being child you're doing that fucking fourten year od aner again we go he's a real estate developer not su capitalist but the fuck you're talking about if he's a straight up cappy then he would be literally very much in favor of fucking building housing units no matter what it is i don't know if you know this or not but like capitalist love building that means more inventory more people will come really true

more peoplell come to build more people will come to fuck and live there it just actually feels like he wants to preserve the small town vibes of his small town and he wants to keep it like a fiftom bas

y i don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a small down to be small

is't building house for the poor and his new property either offull take wait what but jeff pasls is not against fucking like a building what do you mean jef wants housing unit the falk are talking about let'sa je pas isn't one of the rich people on plant

what

let's say he is building a restaurant he has a restaurant someing to eat at that restaurant and some of us to work at a restaurant so if you're building fucking restaurant it's actually good for you to then have additional developments occurring in that fucking neighborhood because one the i think

the problem is that hassan doesn't even know in what way

chappelle's businesses would be negatively affected by this development

i think that's the issue

and that's something that's going to be explained in a sec but

he's just this is what happens when you talk out of your ass and you don't know actually what you're talking about

the restaurant and its property value is going to increase ok and two there's going to be more people to work at your restaurant and three there's going to be more people to eat at your restaurant im really work on this for overy year and was for the affordable housing ning deaths come on you can't call him ass on

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you can't call him assam you can't do that

he be out here calling him ass on

go to work phon from thedavem daveters mout yeah there's a chatter in here talked about how her mom or their mom works for this this honestly just seems like they don't want the town to get bigger like i just it literally feels like they are very protective over their town and then want town to get bigger but if they're specifically opposing the sorry that chatter's mom but it does kind of seem you know fucked up that they're not actually build affordable housing units and they're just building more housing units that will be price adjusted to the to whatever the regular rent is there but it does feel like they just want to keep the town small and

me don't want like additionalurban

so

principal i just don't want letter

so

like growth in the town at all so

and keep it tiny but the problem so

ms dave chappelle is part of the reason why the town is growing that's just how it works

if you fuck in hype up your town then more people want to come there and there's there's going to be more need for housing and if the housing prices are going up then you know someonoey needs to build more houses i do

no because if the only reason you want to come is because of dave chappelle

then he does have a right to be the fuck and fee flord

mean think about it

if the only reason people want to move

into your town is cause of you

then you should be

you should have dictatorial powers

because they're coming a fuck ands stalk your ass

you're coming to stalk your ass

you know you

well you know

tore come in for you to look at you and stalk you and

stere down your windows and shit

do some of the break work and if he's the reason they're coming there he should be the fucking lord of that town

ipping area and i hear people talk about how they come there because they hear davechpell talk about it yeah dave chapelle is on ironically responsible for that development happening he hyped it up too much he didn't want to keep a fucking secret and now people there's more demand prices are fucking increasing there's a limited amount of supply that they want to keep limited i don't think those like people in that small town are like thinking about it from an investment point of view where they're just like i don't want my investment vehicle in fucking yellow spring to maintain its its value like i think they just don't want the town to get bigger that is definitely a problem in places like los angeles where like if we're talking about a c

we're talking about like big cities where there's' a very finite amount of space then yes they don't want that they don't they do not want they do not want their

i cannot tell you what i think should

happen to l a because it's not allowed

but

every place has an element

falking is nothing personal

a property value decrease the want to keep it high but i don't think that's like how it works in ohio andh you know yeah the population density is like insane parts of ohio there's a population per square miles like ten dud is ten thousand right it's not actually ten please tell me it's not just ten oh my god does that mean there's like less than are you serious this is becauseue was zoning for high density housing which in ohio is a very low bar to dip into the problem brings a well off suburb of daton and no one wants an excess of cheaper housingupply nearby purely on property values alone the cynical part of me would assume the land itself was never going to developed it remain zoned for dense

they're living to increase resale value or to be turned into a b park later on but even the possibility it would have been used for use appropriately worth trying by the way even the best scenario throwing around sixty five million doars investment to get your way city councils both what every person with sity five million dollars investment does is also wildly anti democratic the ma isn't hard here even if the developer lie aout the afordable housing plot there revisedlans include cheaper housing in the original ones they were reverting to if theed didn't ge approvedle in town homes are cheaper than single family houses yeh thats this is straight and shitd and they're using i hate to be fucking one of those like weird old twitter andies it's like i'm

actually a y by my like on free market economics i'm not like one of those fucking the liberals but i do hear from a lot of people that say stuff like yeah i do want affordable housing but this is not actually affordable it's like ok bitch do you want public housing like advocate you have sixty five million dollars

how about just literally fuck off and live anywhere else

i don't see you at the at the council meeting talking about how you need is that the is that so

tough like

what

what do you mean hassan what are you even talking about

what is this funcking logic

what is he ben saying

public housing all i've seen you do so far is try to stop that from happening like any additional units from being built anyway people with single family homes you know evil people the real evil mo fuckers in america me ok despise of zoning they just hate it and if there is a place where like single family zoning is appropriate it is ohio let's be fucking real too much there's so much fucking there's so much space in ohio that you could do that there technically but regardless i think building building condos duplex

i don't know anything about zoning

and that's probably something i should

start learning about

is zoning

is totally appropriate totally reasonable it goes both ways it's fucking ohio still they sho spokess iseitherdayor neighbors aregains affordle housing howevery are agains the poorly veted cooku spra style development deal which has little regard for community culture infrastructure of the villageeah i mean this just basically sounds like single family housing is what i live in like

they're not going to build ou you don't know the story you don't even know the fucking story dude

in los angeles for example all houses in most neighborhoods sit on five thousand square feet lots which is tiny in comparison to the rest of the country obviously but it's pretty sizable because it's not a fucking it's not actually you know a building the amount of people you can fit into a single family home is limited you could put a lot more people if you were to build a poundhouse or if you were to build a duplex

walk these

if you were to build like a small condo balk these i believe in the single family home i don't believe in this dumb shit

i believe in single family homes

if you were to up zone and allow for additional developments i'm born nebraska liveit you places really awesomeyeah i know i know it's fucking awesome i've seen those fucking housing units in places like oklahoma those things are awesome anyway i do get annoyed to people that are no they're not

anti development especially in ohio though i'm sorry like yeah sure you want to you want to cherish your beautiful town you don't want to let it grow but ge geez that's what happens when dave chipelle lives there and then hello people fucking move in there and now

inn sappel should be the dictator

if he's the only reason they're

you fuckin weird od fans why do you have to move somewhere to live near your celebrity

i hate those bid those people you know what i can't even say what i think should happen to those people am i let's say they should become serfs and dave chappelle

should be able to like

control their every move and they should become serfs

completely subordinated to him

is that you lost your human freedom

if you move somewhere just to live next to a fucking celebrity

you should lose your human freedom

you need a place to need a place to live people that want to make money we are going to use as an opportunity to build more and make money if you're okay with in ohio but not ay doesn't make you an my what you think i'm not ok with building fucking more housing developments in los angeles i want public housing i want section eight

why does everyone need to live in l a

why you know i think it

people should just start leaving l a

housing i want to actual fucking socialize living in los angeles and yes you can build in my fucking backyard i don't give a fuck ok but literally build it in my backyard i don't give a shit what i'm frustrated by is what they're doing in areas where they're gentri

if

can you guys imagine if hassan had to

howse homeless people

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no you guys if unless you live in l a you're not going to find it funny k

i really would pay to see a fucking reality show

where hassan has to house the fucking l a homeless people that are like in downtown l a or whatever

i just want to see that

i just want to see that

find fucking old neighborhoods and pricing people out so they can blow up fucking old ass buildings that were nice ok and in a ot inance spacious to or blowing up fucking churches blowing up old schools and then building fucking luxury you literally would have people barge in with no pants on and just shit

do shit like that rides

condominiums that are going to actually increase the housing fucking price regardless of how it was sold originally there's two different ways to go about it but like the reality is more housing units don't necessarily always mean you're pucking house your price is going to go down can mean that you're more development can mean that you're going to actually see a big bost in your housing prices well they're bills forrunning exactly down in the towning the samehit redevelopment you'll be focused development ok but they're building it on a fucking cornfield dog so that argument doesn't work but the fuck are you talking about they're not building it on a fucking school the's been around since like eight hundred seventy four they're building it on a cornfield

they're not displaying people it is quite literally the opposite what the fuck are you talking about it's like the one area where it actually makes sense way more

no it doesn't because i'm against people fucking moving there

you're not displacing fucking undocumented immigrants that've been living there for like fucking three generations this point ok a family drant and the there are other you know american citizen children a shit you're literally displacing corn think about the corn a live in a town and iill publish the fifty surrounded by corn and run by a small town ollgard the only thing built in the past has been mcmasions in a gun store slash range

that's the biggt building town i which i was joking i mean this already happened like this literally happened two thousand and eight the only kind of housing they were building was like fucking suburban bullshit ok anyway here let's listen let's see the rest

why are they so against people having like

family homes

why do we all have to live and fuckin

boxes with each other

i hate living in a why do we all have to live in apartments that's my question

that's this article in july twenty twenty one it was annunced over homes miami bur based company planning bill hundred fortyew homes on fifty three acres on the village's southernmost edge ud srings housing market becoming increasingly steep and scarce over the last several years at the time the proposal receives some pushback resds were oute to the planning commission in opposition to rezoning the area to include duplexes in town homes in adition to single family housing for which it was already demarcated

so it seems like they're more upset about the p zoning rather than the development it does seem like a lot of the fucking villages residents were like oh no single family housing if you're going to build ugly suburb in my neighborhood that's fine that's totally fine we would love to have another copypast suburb right here ok wehere all the rich people can live ll the single family unit families can live that's fine but not fucking up zoned duplexes and condominiums we do not want that a council meeting monday f ever seven pi i canotlieve youd made adition for you look like clwns i not bluffing i'll take it all off the tab

according to rolling stones oh yeah we already talked about his uh you know holdings uh and you know what he's doing there purchase the fire station purchase the school and the town does look beautful okay it does it looks cool thiss fuck i've seen it when when

yeah and if people like you move there

it becomes shitty

let's be honest

was talking about it before according rolling stone chapell stated he was adamantly opposed to the project a council meet that same month saying i' a million dollars in town if you pushes thing through what i'm investing in is no longer applicable i would say that ober can buy all of his property for me if they want to be your benefactor because i will no longer want to do be he's doing what capitalists do he's protecting it seems like it's protecting his investment but what it doesn't make any sense to me is i mean yeah i mean he is it i'm sorry it just actually just feels like he doesn't want to the affordable units he doesn't want the upzone fucking condos and he thinks that that will fuck the vibes of the town and he

one hundred percent is like it we're just assuming hassan's right and that's who cares right against that part of it i don't think they shuell is against single family housing i don't think he's against that at all i think he's simply just against the up zoning ok he doesn't want duplexes he think they're ugly he thinks they ruin the sanctity of the town or whatever ight so this is what assan saying

for the fuck and that's it and that is straight fucking rich guy nimby shit ok this is the songs like reporting on the facts

it is by the way for the record this is a microcosm of what people do this is a microcosm of what people do and they suppose has the capacity to do this in like yellow springs but rich people get together and do this in big cities for the record oka they are able to do this in big cities or they're able to do this in like edge towns of big cities which yellowsprings kind of feels like i'm not aware of the proximity but it does seem like chpalsit he was adamantly oppos the project the councilm

get the same onset i inmssing millions of dollars

bill reortly lives in close proximity loo

is the future development is not alone inlobbyings the project other residents have also expressed conerns about how

traffic low water management the proposed owners association dude

this reminds me of the time i was in high school

and

i was in like this environmental science a p environmental science class

and

so our teacher played al gore's

ah an inconvenient truth

and he didn't say anything he just

played it sat down we watched the whole thing

that's the whole class right

and he didn't say a damn word and we all was ok

in the next class

the teacher stood up

and went on like an like a

our ninety minute fucking ran

yelling at the top of his lungs

debunking literally every single thing in al goore's video

angrily

and that's what i'm doing right now with this isssan video i'm just showing you this isssan video

my lips are sealed

yup ha son's right he's telling the truth

this way

this wait and we'll see

s a san reporting the facts

at this seems

bro i'm sorry i don't know if they're doing a good job i don't knowf they're doing a bad job fucking hearing their counters but it strikes me i hate i like i've been incredibly charitable dave chapell throgout this entire process but the straight up sounds like a crock of shit ok carl sims the spokes forer report neither dave nor neighbors agains affordble housing however they're agains thely sprale development deal which has little regardver the community culture infsrucure the village like you can't fucn mention communityan culture and infrastructure the village like these aren't tangible fucking concerns ok but these aren't real material concerns and also that's bullshit like it just you're just

you're against affordable housing you just you're fine with you're absolutely fine go al gore let him keep talking fe with single family units you just don't want ozoning you don't want duplexes and that's fucking bullshit that's actually bullshit that is so fucked up dud they also

so for the

killed it like that's so fucked up they literally killed it that's so gross man that is so fucking gross the village councislly voted to do with one extension on the revised planed unit development zoning so now they're still doing the fucking village original plan but it's not going to includ affordable housing and development on the donated land so now the lot zoning will only allow for one hundred and forty three single family homes whichill begin aproximately three thousand will be reportedly ready for homeowers to move in as soon as twenty twenty three that's so fucked up that's so dude this is obvious dude

get the fuck out of here the more look at the story i'm like you know that's gross dude that they still are building houses he's really on the on the yeap

they're just only doing single family units they literally are not fucking ah dude dude that is grows dude that so grows that's fucked up meanwhile we'll just comlain about the nationwide homess problem like is exclusively a moral failure yeah exactly yeah i know this is dogshit this is really fucked up so they're still building housing thugh this wait has san what kind of home do you live in again

by the way i'm just assuming what he's saying is correct

and we'll see

we'll see if her son is taught toold the truth

but

the sun

what

do you live in

what kind of home do you live in

city council appeared in agreement with the proposal plan last july opposition from the residents in yellow springs led to monday's decision to scrap the afforable housing among thest vocal oppsition multimillionire chpe who was plans open retaurant a comedy club in theyllowprings are chepe alsos an office downtown yeah this is terrible man i've asked him at least at the last two council meetings please tell us how this development negatively impacting your business interests please tell us what he hasn't but by the way it doesn't that's the other thing that's like fucking annoying it actually

said he would happen to have public housing duplexes built in his backyard literally

no

all right we'll see i want i would love to see that

i would love to see him stay where he is andf he's not allowed to move he has to stay

he has to stay

he doesn't it i doubt he would stay

doesn't even fl you would make up an excuse to leave i promise

it just doesn't impact it as much you want to know why this is gross because an allotment for up zoned affordable housing units which will be condominiums will not actually hurt hiss bottom line it just won't be as high that's it that

and west hollywood sucks i've been there it sucks is what's incredibly fucked up about the story is that this is a story of greed and it's also a story of trying to maximize your value and it's a story of trying to keep things the way they actually are supposed to be why not allowing poor people to live in this walking neighborhood or relatively less wealthy people to live in this fucking neighborhood because that development itself no matter whether there's affordable housing units there or not is going to actually improve the amounts property values and i businesses ok but he's trying

fucking min max by making sure that the one impact that it will have which is like not increase it as much he's trying to stop that from happening there are younger people especially peole who moved in more recentlyho are pretty aamored of davi and don't want to pull his business out apparently willing do was his biding as w think sll called her in the city council colleages cown mcqueen said most liberal towns a seen the same sort of divisiveness that a seep in the national disourse there arevery few republicans yeow springs but nonetheless we have become so divisive that we engage by fighting each other and their role of social medias exacerbated ahim so divisive it's like no it's just bucking who wants to do more capitalism that's what this is you know this is gross it's act

chili gross this is like my lord it's so fucking gross

so gros

time for the second class where youre going to learn

the true

so dave's spells in the news

and i'm guessing

the news is trying to smear him

let's see

let me see

dave chappelle personally came to it

to a city council meeting and threatened to remove his

sixty five million dollars of investments

from his city

if they allowed a developer to move forward with an affordable housing program

the objection wasn't to the build but to the affordable housing component

wow it makes him sound like an so gross

enemy of poor people doesn't it

it makes dave chapelle sound like the worst dick in the world

so you know that can't be true why would what

you know that can't be true right youre like what well

if i were to take a guess

and by the way already do know it's a

like every other thing like sustainablesen that affordable housing is like a buzzword for yes

a small portion of notknot

that's right a huge amount of an affordable housing shouldn't all the housing be affordable

i guess it's affordable for somebody

chapelle threatened to pull his various this is from rolling stone the the

gez guys these guys are like the national inquirer now

well guys remember what hassan told us it's really gross

what chapelle is doing is gross keep that in mind

chapelle threatened to pull his various business ventures from his hometown of yellow springs ohio if the village council went ahead

with a plan to build wait for it more affordable housing

i'm guessing that that's rolling stone lying again because rolling stone lies all the time

they're they're horrible

there if you

ah

yellow springs this is fromh keith boyken

ohio developed a plan to designate one point seven five acres of land for affordable housing

but after some residents a cornfield come on objected

and millionaire entertainer dave chapelle threaten to pull his business from the community the council voted against if your a s on viewer keep watching

its own plan

that's from keith boyken

so again you think you're getting the story are you think you are i don't everybody and twitter thought they were

i like how san thought he did

the whole the whole world's going to hell in handbasket because the comedians are really dropping the ball the comedians are not yet right it is really the caut

the comedians have been always the backbone of society you know that gurt

ah here's from chris gettner he says dave chapell folks this time he successfully stopped the villages own affordable housing plan from being passed in ohio oka

we going to keep going

ah this is from justin what's his guy's name justin bargona

he says dave chappelle really spitting fire and speaking truths of power by threatening to take his millions away from a small town if he provides affordable housing to working class people

boy they really that's just like

a that's just like joe rogan is a white supremaciyt

all right

crazy

that's the same thing like what it turns out

he's exact opposite so let's see what happened here we go

no

did you hear me

yes

i am bh bell

i just want to say

and marian i cauln talk you about this privately

i don't know why the bvillage councsl would be afraid of litigation from a twenty four million dollar year company while they ak out

sixty five million dollars company i cant believe you would make me audition for you you look like claans i am not pufpt

i'll take it all off the table

that's all thanks

back

by the way he will alrise only shown what he'll do you know

yeah he's already shown he's a man of his word he'll walk

a a j delgado says this is a lie dave chappelle did not shoot down an affordable housing plan in his town

it was a tacky developer's plan for one hundred forty homes

in the four hundred thousand dollar price range

not affordable housing

the plan happened to include a throw in of one point seven acres how generous

of affordable housing

so this was a huge development developed

this is gross

this is gross

us a com'm going to show you how big an acre is ok

here's an acre

is an ac

one point seven acres on a map

it this is an acre

right

you on

so for example this would be considered one point seven acres

right here's o house right here

so that's that's one point seven acres right

this is a car so yeah

mean how many houses can you found right

ok

the developer

at a plan for one hundred and forty homes

in the four hundred thousand dollar price range

and the one point seven acres were just tacked on for a pffordable housing

one hundred and forty homes compared to one point seven acres worth of homes that would be affordable

and hassan what did hassan say oh it's so gross

davi a pell's a capitalist he came up with all these theories heho's just a capitalist who'sjus

trying to preserve the oh just four hundred thousand dollars on

ement and they are using

the ploy

of affordable housing to get that the plan approved

dave sappelle sniffed it out

and said i'm going along with this garbage

that's what happened

here's why someone hire those jonas propaganda brothers to right come up with a thing for the ho state here we go

shockingly enough the headlines about the story are incredibly misleading this is not an affordable housing project an affordable housing endeavor that we're seeing

this is the case of a you know real estate company that's building a development and of the fifty five acres of this development

their prob

fifty

five acres we're going to go toward housing that is in no meaningful sense

affordable

if the

five acres

so let me explain to you what happens

when

fifty five acres are di are

sorry fifty three point three acres

ar

given to these new rich people moving in

right

so i'm going to explain to you this thing

that hassan has very familiar with because he participates in it

it's called gentrification

it's when you you're a rich guy and a bunch of rich people move to an area

and all of a sudden the price of living goes up

the bills go up the taxes go up

the food goes up

everything goes up and suddenly you can't afford to live in that area anymore

ok

soon's development plan

was going to gentrify palm springs basically drive out the people who lived there before

ah by driving all the prices up by creating houses in the median range of four hundred thousand dollars

fifty three point

seven acresworth

and only one point seven acres

on top of that we're going to be affordable housing

so fifty five acres one point seven of which would be affordable and hassan was saying what dave chappell did was gross

um see the only place you're going to get this like expose on hassan's bullshit is here no one else is going to call out his bullshit i just call i just debunk hassan hassan's done

his career is done

his dreaming career is done

i just buk in the bonkm

i debunk this on

promising to set aside under two acres for quote unquote affordable housing and we see this happen a lot it's an attempt to get a tax write out so i think it's a really misleading set up but i do think that it's an important opportunity hopefully for us to look at these issues of housing because it's truth the celebrities w't save us or provide affordable housing

a real estate companies wont save us or provide affordable housing and just to give you a sense over the company will not not necessarily be the company that develops that part the affordable housing part

and the village will ask for proposal this company was going to bully the town into agreeing

to the proposal chapell was like why are you letting this fucking company bully you

when i'm even bigger than them

right

so what dave chapelle was doing was actually pretty heroic he was using his wealth

to defend the ordinary common folk of the town

from becoming gentrified

so if this is his fief he's actually a good lord he protects

his people

which is what lords are supposed to do

and that's what he faulkon did

there according to plans tomit to the village so obviously the affordable housing ot element is not a priority because they may not even be developing that part they don't even have the proposals

like i'm glad that people are not just protecting his town

he's protecting the people of his town

that's their town

if they would let plans like this go through they would be driven out by gentrification

ha sund doesn't know what the fock he's talking about

he just decided to shit on dave chapelle why

because dave chapelle

upset

the democrats and the left

on the side of affordable housing

i think that what is one of the problems with this framing though is that

but for dave chapelle getting up at a at a council meeting

we would be having affordable housing when the truth is

we don't

prioritize affordable housing it's not profitable

one set

isable enough

to develop affordable public housing and there's going to be a shortage of that until we realize that housing is something that

we all believe in investing in and imagine the resources we could put into housing if we

spent the money that we're spending in sending billions of dollars in legal aid to ukraine

wow good points by katy helper

so there's an article being circulated about dave chapelle blocking an affordable housing plan near his residence and i was ready to trash him too then i read the article of the thirty four acres to be developed

only one point seven five acres we're going to affordable housing that's five percent of the land

m

the land is zoned for single family housing and the developer's initial plan was to construct one hundred forty three units of suburban sprawl which the villa villagers rightfully opposed

isn't that the thing hassan was bitching about was the suburban sprawl of mick maansion's

which is exactly what that was

so they tried to get it rezoned

for p u d what is p is that public

what does that stand for and donate one hundred one point seven five acres off affordable housing which got rejected again

so they couldn't get their housing plan because it's just urban sprawl so they're like oh i know wellt's pretend it's

for affordable housing and we'll get a tax break too and so that it was all garbage

and of course all those garbage people were wrong about

dave chappelle

so now you know why you can't trust thisestablishment media blue check

because they're all fucking propagandists that's why they got the job

they've got a job because they're willing to do that shit

pland unit development is p lan unit deve thank you

forbes what is a planned unit development

a planned unit development is a community of single family homes and sometimes condos or townhouses

where every homeowner belongs to a homeowner's association

god

the villagers have consistently argued that the interests of the developers don't address the needs of the community walkability environmental protection

provisions of social infrastructure so they should come up with a better plan that would truly benefit young families

sounds like dave chapelle' is on the right side of this issue

the development itself was not voted down though it can still move forward without the affordable housing portion

es because the developers own the land

but the city council has the power to allow or deny permit to develop based on proposed plans

so

wow

pretty fucking insane

pretty fucking insane

developers will threaten to litigate and that's where dave chappelle comes in with his threat to pull his own investments if the city council acquiesces

so he's the hero of the sit he's actually the hero of the situation

yes curt you are correct so this was all just spin to make dave appelle look like he single handedly smacked down affordable housing and keep the bad press from the developers yes

so now you see how the how the press works

do you see why we have a show you understand why people watch this show is because they can't stand that bulls yet they're getting from establishment meet so not ok so i just want to know what lessons people took from this because

is ason a reliable source of truth

i just gave you one example

of hassan spending twenty three minutes

lying

through his teeth

and now you just saw this

and it's like your whole your mind is blown how could a son have lied all that much

well

how could he have

how could he have

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ok so this dumb at ok so i like i said every day someone on twitter

makes a new tweet

patriotic sunchalez

and it just blows up for whatever reason these tweets are getting boosted right

and let's see what this guy says

patriotic socialists often a historically claimed the american revolution was a war against colonialism

this is a drastic alteration of history from any viewpoint be it pro bran pro us or pro indigenous

no historian

exist to support this claim

simple facts may be brought up to debunk this

get

almost every single anti colonial independence movement

cited the american war of independence as an inspiration

that enough is enough to prove that it was an it was the first anti colonial war in history

patriotism is literally

the patriots who fought that war they're called the patriots that's what inspired the world's patriotic movement

of emulating what the americans did against the british

ok

democratic patriotic

anti colonial revolutions

all of them were inspired by the in bur of independence of seventeen seventy six

to say it was not a war against i don't know what you mean a war against colonialism so this is allful philosophy bols do you mean the idea of colonialism

um

well yes it was

it was the idea of a republic against an empire

so yes i mean that's pretty unambiguous right

um

is far is it like a crusade against all manifestations of colonialism no obviously not

but like

okay

simple facts are brought to debunk this

after the revolution the u s spent a hundred and ninety eight years in a live fire legal war against the indigenous people

and various cultures

what does that have to do with colonialism

because yes the u s was unjustly taking seizing and taking territory

from indigenous people

that's true

but those were not colonies they were just

and nexing territory

as far as the assimilationism is concerned i'm not really sure what you're getting at here are you trying to say this is a continuation

of european colonialism

i wouldn't necessarily disagree

m

what i would say is that if this is just a continuation of european colonialism

then it clearly means that to extend the spirit of the american revolution would be

to be against these kinds of things wouldn't it

wouldn't the patriotic thing to be

is to

respect indigenous sovereignty

and oppose assimilationism i agree this is just leftovers from european colonialism

given that america was no longer a colonial power by this time

now it is true that america started to be a colonial power again

inspired by the new neo colonialism if you would call it that of the europeans in the late nineteenth century

but this was radically

controversial within the u s and people did say some like when it came to the wars

against the spanish empire when it comes to the acquisition of cuba and puerto rico and other territories

people did point out hey

this goes against the founding spirit in the founding principles of how our country was founded

right

in the philippines and so on and so on

um

so this is just wrong

right

and if you don't believe me i'll

give you a wikipedia right

right here

i mean how do you explain things like this this is the american anti imperialist league

oh oh looks like it's a white guy

so what i don't know

to battle american annexation of the philippines the anti imperialists opposed expansion

believing that imperialism

violated the fundamental principle

that just republican government must derive from the consent of the governor

the league argued that such activity would necessiate the abandonment of american ideals of self government

and non intervention

ideals expressed in the united states declaration of independence

george washington's farewell address

and abraham lincoln's gettysburg address

the anti imperiist league was ultimately defeated in the battle of public opinion

by a new wave of politicians

who advocated for the virtues of the expansion

game

so this was a thing

right

it was an anti imperialist league

and what do you know that they were shot down

particularly controversial was the league's endorsement of william jennings briyan the populist

um

he was a populist right so was a populist movement in general the anti imperialist league as all of these movements that hearken back

to the founding principles of the country

and which fight against the ruling class and the ruling elites deviating

from the founding of the republic

thank you backtrack podcast

but if you believe the one sided skewed view of history told by this fuck and dumb ass

you would have never known that there was an american anti imperialist league right

the u s attempted to encourage indigenous sans to join it but required them to capitulateu their arbitrary borders

the real the here's here's another really funny thing this guy says

the reasons the iroquois abandoned negotiations

was because they refused to end slavery and would not classify women as more than property this is a lie

the only thing listen

ok let's just

do some quick research

did the iroquize

i'm sorry from from

mispronouncing that

did they engage in slavery

ok the first google result

shows me that they did there was northern iroquoian slavery

so this specific tribe

already

was

engaging in practices of slavery this guy's a liar

so this is a lie and it got two hundred forty likes of misinformation

ero coys

iroquois ok iroquois

they didn't gage in slavery

they were

they were indigenous tribes that fought the union army

who owned african slaves and they sided with the confederates because they didn't want to give up their african slaves

and this guy's trying to make it seem like

the indigenosuss were a beacon of left wing progressive values oh they were so feminist that they opposed slavery

what a fucking bullshitter and people believe this shit and they just eat it up why it just so happens to be

that indigenous americans

exemplified all of the virtues considered woke and acceptable and progressive to leftist in twenty twenty two shut the buck up

they just eat the shit up

they just fuck and eat it up

the trail of tears had slaves walking with

native owners

so i'm goinga make a tweet i'mjus going to make a fucked up tweet right now i'm going to make a fucked up tweet

why do you let this deny

b

balk my dms

wide spread indigenous practice

of

slavery

the enslavement

africans

just curious

just curious

why do left is deny

that enslavement of africans

was widespread among indigenous tribes

are we not

going to talk about this

anyone

want to give a crack at the head

mmhmm

there we go

oh yeah i'm riling m up because i'm sick of hearing indigenous thes indigenous that

from non indigenous people right i'm sick of leftist projecting

all of their own leftism on indigenous people

when

you know

let's let's not deny the fuck and truth

right let's just not deny the truth

let's just not deny the truth here

ok

yeah why is it bad optics

well i mean it's literally true though it's literally true

it's literally true

i can literally show you right now it was actually

something pretty prominent actually

like

i'm just going to link the wikipedia right now to it as well

it

here you go i mean

here you go

it was a thing

so

here you go

native american slave ownership refers to ownership of enslaved africans and native americans by native americans

from the pre colonial period to the u s civil war

waves of european colonization

brought in slave africans to north america many indigenous tribes began to acquire africans as slaves

thank you moan missan why are we denying history now why are we pretending like this shit didn't happen it did happen

ok

let's see other responses

tensions varied between african americans and native americans of the south as each nation dealt with the ideology behind enslavement of africans differently

some gave sanctuary to people who escaped en slavement while others were more likely to capture them and return them to their white captors or even reinslave them

some incorporated them into their societies

so it's not one sided

i'm just saying that's my point it's not one sided

right

that's literally just my point it's not one sided

i'm not saying all native americans were slave owners i'm not saying they all enslave people i'm just saying

i'm sick of this noble savage myth that they have going around i'm just sick of the noble savage myth that's all

it's not one sided

so we're going to ditch this noble savage bullshit why don't we

like i said anyone want to give a crack at that

oh but i'm not supposed to talk about this right well if we're going to air all the dirty laundry let's air all of it

let's not deny any of the crimes there was horrible crimes

all around

but if you're going to listen they keep throwing this pornography at me of the crimes of the u s against indigenous people and they do not shut the fuck up about it

i have never denied those crimes

but if you don't go all the way and air all the dirty laundry let's air all of it

let's go ahead and air all of it

let's air all the dirty laundry and then we'll make something of it

because

they're trying to paint a black and white picture

and that's not what we see in history

ok

you don't have a noble savage in history okay

indigenous people are humans

all humans sin all humans are flawed

and i'm not coming after indigenous people i will be the first person to tell you

that racism in arab countries is a million times worse than in european countries i'll be the first one to tell you that

i will tell you that lebanese are some of the most racist fucking people on earth

and there is literally slavery that continues in lebanon

and in arab countries to this day theyre still enslaving people they enslave domestic servants from south asia and from africa to this fucking day they steal their passport and they enslave them

you understand

i'll be the first to tell you that shit

so

i'm not knocking on nobody i'm just denying this noble savage bullshit

where

oh it's the good indigenous people vers the bad you and now it's not that simple and i'm saying that as some one

and all those conflicts between

indigenous people and uh

the europeans i side with the indigenous

except during the civil war when some of them were defending slavery but

usually i'm sympathetic to the indigenous i'm with them right

i'm just saying

i don't buy this noble savage bullshit they're trying to fuck and pedal to us and that's getting popular on twitter this noble savage narrative that's getting popular on twitter

ok

let's be done with this fucking noble savage bullshit and left it you know how look how popular it is

look how many dumb ass

firurteen year olds like this shit w moin but you that is or you guys are fucking stupid

these are literally naive children who are being sold lies

literal naive children being sold lies

about history and about the world

and i want to know i want to i want to see the backlash to my tweet because

i do want people to

give me a fuckin response

sw i know left wing twitter is goinga swarm me

but i just want to see what they're going to say i mean what will you say

are you going to deny that they practice slavery because they did

are we going to deny that

why are we denying that now

i'm sorry wait hold on a second

hold on a second

um

this was fundamentally against the iroquois confederacies

matrin

matriarchal and quote unquote

free society structure

i really want to know who you're quoting here

and if it's your but hoole

ah i would tell them to close their mouth

because they're just clearly not giving an accurate picture of the facts

so the iroquoise

matriarch

yay they had a quality

i don't know what that means they were matriarchical

they supposedly had a quality

but they also had slavery

ok

but why was there a free society when there were slaves

economically speaking the ownership of land

was also directly opposed

to almost every indigenous nation's philosophy in politics

okay

they were against the ownership of land

but not the ownership of people

interesting

the u s government engaged in literal terrorism in order to bring indigenous els to the brink of extinction and then failed

these included campaigns of demoralizing women and children elder extermination

hunting down members of political

relevant families

from what i know that's true

the us government acted as a gang

thes all it were all gangs

attempts at driving wild and domesticated livestock to extinction weapons yup

i'll let you imagine what the demoralizing means some of the orders can be found in washington's letter to mayor general sullivan

and brigader general james clinton in twenty nineteen the sullivan clinton campaign

was recognized as an act of genocide

wait

hold on

hold on hold on

we hold on

the iroquois targeted young women for capture

because they ensured the continuance of iroquois life and culture

and these captive women often found fulfilling lives

iroquois men captured young women of neighboring tribes because they were a source of life and sustenance

it requires men

coveted captured women for wives

i guess it was like consensual kidnapping

and no this was this is this not this was matriarchal

kidnapping consensual kidnapping right

consensual kidnapping right

anyway i

hold on the sullivan clinton campaign

wait a damn second

you're talking about the military campaign

which was against loyalists

among which were four nations of the iroquois

who sided with the british

so it sounds like this was a campaign against loyalists

among whom were iroquois

and here we go with people holding water for that british monarchy

i mean there you go

he talks about this as if this was like

though this was just against indigenous people when it was against loyalists to the british crown including which were some iroquois tribes

and here we go it's a disguise for supporting the british monarchy

um interesting

and even you know it it

every revolution in history has these horrible

you know

killings

of loyalists and coun revolutionaries and i don't support that

or advocate for that

but it's a brutal fact of history

ok

um and yeah i don't i don't it probably could be classified as an act of genocide if they

specifically went out and targeted all iroquoise

but it sounds like that was a continuation of the war

um of independence

and not some like random

exterminationist attempt to just

kill indigenous people

let's address the itsquet we're pivoting now

that's just the attempts to cherry pick weaponize

all of these people who directly contradict the work land back narrative

lenin compiled the conditions of the third international the eighth condition specifically states

a particularly marked and clear attitude on the question of the colonies and oppressed nations

is necessary and part of the communist parties in those countries who re are in possession of colonies and oppress other nations

every party that wishes to belong to the communist international has the obligation of exposing the dodges of its own imperialists in the colonies

of supporting every liberation movement in the colonies

not only in words but in deeds of demanding that the imperial's compatriots

should be thrown out of the colonies of cultivating the hearts of the workers in their own country

maternal relationship to the working population of the colonies and oppressed nations

by supporting a colonial occupation

what

well on

but the third international did not consider the united states landmass a colony

it's a state

a colony would be like puerto rico

a colony would have been like the philippines or cuba

there were actual colonies at this time it wasn't some fucking post colonial studies buzzword where youre tell oh

you're m

yes

room this is like a colonial vibe this is a vibe of a no there were actual formal colonies

that the third international was talking about actual

formal colonies

actual

for me

colonies

you are arbitrarily defining

the entire landmass of the united states as a colony

on what basis it is not formally a colony it is not a colony

ok

absolutely no one

at the time that lennon was writing he considered it a colony it wasn't a colony it was a state

where if you inhabited this state you were a citizen

ok

so it's not a fucking colony

lenin never defined the united states as a colony in every single writing lenin wrote about the united states he didn't call it a colony nor bolshevik called the united states a colony it has never been defined as a colony

never

what a stupid this is like declonial fuck and bullshit where you have to take like anostic red pill tak the red bill man and you'll see we're still living in a colony manre colonized man we're all colonized youre youre colonized i'm colonizedlon like guess what

that isn't what the third international is talking about

they were talking about actual colonies

you know the british and the french and the spanish

actually had colonies in africa in the middle east

and around the in asia and around the whole fucking world and they were formal colonies

did you know that

they were actually talking about real colonies they weren't talking about some like

made up bullsit you got from your fucking college professor man h

decolonize your toilet man your toilets colonized man your toilets colonized man

your food is colonized man

your butt is colonized man declonize your butt

he colonize your but man it's colonized

declonize declonize mamn

the colonize man shut the fuck up that's not what lennin was talking about

that's not what the third international was talking about

by supporting a colonial occupation which the united states landmass is not

and then feigning to support self determination

but only on their terms wait wait's i want to actually break this down in

commonsense terms about what he's talking about so our terms mean we refused to say that the entire land mass of the s

is indigenous land

indigenous self determination on our terms basically means

have land that you need

just yeah i support giving indigenous people land and self determination

my terms are only that they can't have all of it

those are our terms that we've put forward you just can't have all of it

you can't fucking have the entire landmass of the u s

that is literally insane

now should indigenous people have more land ya i agree they should

should we re evaluate these treaties that have been violated and do right by the yes we should

but all the land in the u s belongs to less than one or one percent of the population get the fuck out of here

right

what kind of new feundalism are these people fantasizing about we're all going to have indigenous

feudal lords that we're going to fuck and pay rent to or some shit

mean like what a stupid fucking thing to say a country of three hundred million people is going to give all of its land

to one percent of the population

what kind of fucking nightmare is that

like meat and potatoes this is what he's talking about

oh only on their terms our terms being

that we don't want to i'm not even saying i'm scared of that outcome maybe it'll be interesting i'm not scared of it look if you had a button

that said all the land's going to be owned by nusesspeople i wouldn't stop you from hitting that fucking button

ok

may it'll be interesting who knows i i i'm f interesting things i love chaos i'm a chaotic when chaos is under heaven i'm fine with that right i'm just saying

if you go advocate for this you're going to make a fool of yourself

we're not going to go and condition

are we are communists in this country we' trying to have a realistic understanding of our country

and what to do in this country and how to operate in this fucking country and conditioning your activity as a communist working in this country with them like

you know what

unless you want to you wt to tell everyone you're going to give no we're not going to we're not doing this shit ok i'm not

i'm not fucking making this fantasy

the maxim of of how i engage in this country like

i'm not going to fucking entertain this fantasy it's just that simple it's fucking stupid it will never happen

even if it did happen it would be a fucking nightmare

but whatever the main thing is that it will never falcging happen

so to be a communist in the us

to be a communist in the united states we have to say

that we support giving all the land of the us to indigenous people

and that's that's our square one

right that's our square one

and that that's the program of a true communist party

they are in direct violation of condition eight

so i just prove that we weren't

but let's say we're in direct violation of condition eight

the third international doesn't even exist anymore dumb ass

we pus in eight

he's non binding

because there's no fucking third international

and even if there was

it's not like we're part of some party that's within the third international because we're not

so how would these terms even be binding

this is what happens when you have a bunch of fucking dumb asses

who want these unconditional morals and unconditional rules

w just exist

where do they exist whose and how are they binding

right

furthermore even if the third international still existed it's sure as hell

would not

be upholding a programme that no longer applies to our current conditions

do you actually think

that section eight of the third international was some eternal book of laws

you think it was the falking

do you think it is the fucking bible of communism

or was it a programe drafted specifically for the time at which it was written you know when most of the world was actually formally colonized

i just can't believe someone can be this fucking stupid i just cannot fucking believe it right

i'm just so shocked

that there are people

this fucking stupid in the world

conversely the consensus on anti colonial land reclamation

makes no ask or threat of mass deportation how generous

were advocates any sort of reprisal against the white populaation

you can't even shut down a fucking pipeline do you think anyone's scared that you're going to deport anyone we're talking about how you look stupid that's all we're talking about you' live in reality

those individuals that do clearly suffer from a malfunction

and those that claim that this is the consensus

are projecting what has been the white solution us for five hundred years

i haven't seen anyone entertain this fucking stupid fantasy scenario you have

the january sixth protesters in the u s and the current trucker

less than thirteen pro what does this have to with indigenous people

why ok what is holding water for trudeau's ballsack

have to do with indigenous people it's almost like you're hiding behind indigenous larp

because you're a fucking establishment shill who at the end of the day

is behind karl schwab the neo liberal elite

the great prece at davos

the british monarchy

and the ruling class it's almost like you're just larping as an indigenous person

occupation of ottawa that some of these patriotic claims to support

is clearly identified by the tenn condition as a yellow trade union

who advocates against socialism

and that we are in red trade unions and exploit workers are to struggle against favorited social conditions

ok

we're going to very carefully analyze the common cer ins ten conditions

which he' is elevating as an eternal bible and book of laws

common turn tenh

every party belonging to the communist international has the obligation to wage a stubborn struggle against the amsterdam international

of yellow trade union organizations

it must expound forcellly as possible among trading unists the idea to break with the yellow amster and amsternational

so what does that have to do with anything we're talking about he wasn't talking about

trade unions that harbor anti communist views in general

he was talking about something called the amsterdam international which like was a specific thing

but moreover the truckers are not a trade union they're not even a trade union

the january sixth protesters

were not a trade union so why are you why are you talking about the tenth condition of the commontern

when it's not even relevant

this was talking not only about

yellow trade unions but a very specific amsterdam international yellow trade unions

can you explain the connection to the truckers beyond the fact

that ideologically speaking they might harbor anti communist views

you think that being an anti communist a hundred years ago

when communism was actually a widespread movement that had meaning as a little different

from the vague anti communist conspiracy theories these truckers have

when there's no communist movement in this country and nobody even knows what communism is beyond some conspiracy theory mean there's no it's just farking ideal its just fuking words

literally because the chuckers say bad things about the word communism he's saying we have to be against them why what does that have to do with their actual relationship

to like real communism

not the straw man that they're you know what i mean it's just this ideology fucking busllshit

oh because they're saying the wrong words we have to be against them because we're saying the wrong words there you go it's that teddy bear mentality

you guys don't know what the teddy bar mentality is

the word communism is a teddy bear to these people it's like it's a little cope it's like a it's like a fucking religious ritual it's like

it's like a prayer communism communism commun it's like a fucking teddy bear that they cope with

and they hate seeing their teddy bear get abused

instead of actually focusing on what the words supposed to mean

and what is meant by referencing that word it's literally the construct the formal construction the c o m m u

i n s m

that is they don't like that word being abused and because the words being abused because the teddy bears being abused

we have to betray the actual material working class

material reality has to be sacrificed

because

the ideal construction of a word is not being used

directly

they were called yellow trade unions because they were associated with the remnants of the second international

the labor and soceials international

wait

so what you're saying is what this person said has nothing to fucking do with anything

it has nothing to do with anything

so he literally

these two tweets can literally be flushed down a toilet

and nothing would be lost because it's literally not referring to anything relevant

this guy is such a pseudo intellectual fucking idiot it's disgusting

let's address the patriotism of castro and hochimin

in castro's case he said oka

again this is not material why because

in

this is immaterial to the point

because what you have to address is what they said about american patriotism

we're not talking about their patriotism and the differences to american patriotism

we're talking about quotes we have dug up and we have shown you

where they speak favorably about america as a country and its founded

those are what you have to address

not the fact that cuba is different from the u s

indigenous nations present on its last man it had one

oh it's probably so

ok

who cares it had one all of cuba belongs to the indigenous people

hold on

what right

do white cubans have to be in cuba to own that land it belongs to the one

indigenous nation the one indigenous nation on cuba should own all of cuba

you gutys understand logic

if one percent of america

is entitled to the entire american land mass just because they were the original owners

then it doesn't matter how many indigenous nations are on cuba

they own all of cuba they are that because it was stolen from them

cuba was stolen from the indigenous people so what right does cuba have to even fucking exist according to this dumb ass

often referencing his high opinion america as a nation before he in fact visited it and learned what a hell it was for the majority of the population

citations citations that castro revised his views of america after visiting it

i'm going to go ahead and call bullshit

just like the rest of everything you said in this stupid fucking thread i'm calling bullshit and saying you're talking out your fucking ass

oh actually led

an anti colonial marxist lenist revolution against the french

and the united states

he didn't live to see his nation's eventual liberation from colonialism

it would have been interesting to hear his feelings on the u s post revolution why

if anything it would have made him pro more pro u s he was actually killing u s soldiers

and saying

he admired the founding fathers and the founding of the uus

so after the war is over if anything

what a stupid fucking thing to say

what a stupid fucking thing to say

what about the indigenous people of vietnam

what about that

stalin took an elected role as an international representative for twelve tribes including the sixth nation of the iroquois in nineteen forty two

the soviet union was the first entity to advocate for indigenous issues on an international level abe in a limited role

i don't know if this is true and if it is

that's cool

that's great

why would we be against that

we're for that we're for indigenous people

we do want to advocate for indigenous issues

we just don't want to say stupid shit like the entirety of the us is stolen and has to be given back to one percent of the population

when you can prove to me that the soviet union ever said that all of the u s belongs to those

twelve tribes

you can didn this paragraph would be relevant

it's not

this relationship was documented by nit wasm dismissive

calling the big red chief

b lennen and stalin wrote at length about the need for non indigenous proletariat

to unite with the anti colonial causes of the indigenous protary to facilitate legitimate national self deermination

can you point to one writing

where lenin or stalin talk about the indigenous issues

within the united states one writing

just one

can you give me one writing

can you give me one

because you're talking out of your fuck in ass

not for the indigenous population to assimilate into the reverse

what

when have patriotic patriotic socialists

raise the simulation

often these patsock refer to the myth that the d p r k is a government mandated

homogeneous society

machick

i'll check any pat socks

that i haven't seen them marcher

ma check to find the pat socks

i'll check

where's the pat socks at

mad sec

mat chack any pad socks

where they at i don't

at socks say the sky is purple but actually it's blue

pat socks

say the grass is blue but actually it's green this is what twitter is now twitter is just people who can just go on be like

pat socks claim the grass is blue but it's actually green and get like

twenty thousand likes

and five thousand retsweets

and there's just nothing we can do about it

there's just nothing we col they can just make up whatever they want

not only is there no evidence to support this

but the lack of non korean citizens can be easily explained by decades

of imperialist economic sanctions

and travel restrictions

struggle against the japanese and you guessed it

the uus maject

mod check because i'm looking for the point and i can't find it mod check

mod check where's the point

i mean if patriot ok you know that patriotic socialist on twitter i would never do this because it's not allowed on twitch

it is ta s so i would never do it

but

you know that most patriotic socialists on twitter

we're praising the taliban

you know that the taliban didn't fight the uus

in the fifties

but like was still fighting them when patriotic socialists were praising them

so where have you got this idea

that patriotic socialists are pro u s in the international context it's like

we practically worship putin

we practically worship she

where have you gotten the idea that we support the u s

right because we defend the flag in the constitution and we want to use them against

the us government and the imperialist government

and that's what lital this is about

it's literally all this is about

because we actually want to be anti imperialists

from a populist perspective and they want to be anti imperialists from a moralizing we perspective

they want to be elitist anti imperialists

and we want to be populist anti imperialists and that is literally the difference between us

except their anti imperialism is fake

because they are aligned with the forces who uphold imperialism

in reality not ideally see they're going to accuse us of

ideally doing it they're going to be like well since you uphold the constitution that means that the you share the ideology of american imperialism and the say some idealist bullshit i'm going to say since you are an anti populist elitist

you materially are autliinned with imperialism materially

not abstractly like how you say

the true asessence of imperialism the roots of imperialism come from the rotten people the people are rotten

finally let's addres the two elephants

no socialist country in europe lasted more than fifty years

inherent individualism of european culture

is that why

kavin why isn't india a communist yet

why isn't the middle east communist

maybe it's not because of some

to shut the fuck up i mean ok let's just say this is true

this is not an excuse for communists not to win in europe or in america

and nice idealism dumb ass you know this is idealism

you know this is actually idealism this isn't a materialist analysis

of why

socialist countries happened in china and russia

both marx and engles identified by name the iroquois as the inspiration for their formulation of socialist ideals

one hundred and thirteen people like this tweet

before marxs and angeles knew what a fucking iroquois was

they were communists

how was this the

inspiration this is like

i'm sorry this is like some ridiculous shit this is like

this is this is like this is like when fucking this is like when some guy from the balkons

says some shit like this is like when a guy from the fuckin balcons

we'll come and say some shit like fuckin

i'll just randomly jest fuck and come out o nowhere and be like

he'll be like actually

you know

actually

oh

serbs discovered

einstein's relativity five thousand years ago

that's like this is like when this is like when people say some shit like fucking

actually um

king tot was turkish some shit like that like

what are you fucking talking about

what are you actually talking about

ok

this is like a guy who this is like the guy who's who's trying to convince you that fuckin

montezuma was fucking bosnian or something

we'll lusen the aztecs

we're albanian

ok

listen

we listen listen listen

listen hear me out the mayans

the mayans

we're serbs

bro shut the fock up

ok

bosnians invented spaceships

five thousand years ago

that's how fucking stupid the shit is

iroquois invented socialism and marxs and angles were inspired by iroquois

it's like that mem where um

you guys ever heard the mmurs like

in a letter marx was asked if he was kurdish marx never responded

what's that fucking mean

sys fucking stupid okay

adam smith sent marx a letter asking if he was kurdish marx never responded

all right this that's what this is because

i'm just going to tell you that this is

indigenous american and african cultures for providing the bones for early socialist idea

mhmm

still in shock that one hundred thirteen people liked this and no one called it out

for being complete be slaw

this is like

the bosnian pyramid means

but that one actually has a grain of true

it's like i cannot falk and believe it

the only european aspects of early socialism are the economic problems

in closing it's over now

in closing the u s was a colonial coup against the british nothing more

how was that explained that was not explained instead i got a fuckin ancient aliens ran

about north korea's homogeneous soy like what are what are you saying

socialism is indigenous and african in origin by marxs and angles's own words

so this is a tweet i actually did call out

and i just said

this is what i asked him i said

where in marx and engles's words do you find this laughable claim because i was genuinely curious

or to find a site

what do you mean

and what he said

he did respond and he said

he didn't respond oka no he responded to this one he said

marx's ethnographic notes so i think he's talking about when um

marx and engels were talking about

the native tribes

but they were talking about like what they considered to be the closest thing to primitive communism in the contemporary sense

but they never said

that it was the origin

of

they never said it was the origin of socialism

they didn't say it was the origin because primitive communism didn't begin with indigenous or african people

i don't know why there even mentions african because marx and engel said

nothing

about africa

and practically nothing they were specifically talking about

yes the iroquois confederacy

in angles is origin of property

the family of the state

ok

no formally

where current solial revolution originated within a colonial operation

tho being a direct opposite to colonialism

okay you're just going to define colonialism as whatever you want okay i'm going to define colonialism

as

you living on in your house your house is colonialism give me your house because you're colonizing my house it's give me your house you're colonizing my house

no successful source project reached forty five years of age placating eurocentric cultural ideas

the soviet union

famous for having no european culture

china famous for

not translating

forty volumes of got

why you pronunced i got gote

and

german idealists and

promoting european classical music no no no

it's ok to be patriotic for your nation if it doesn't have colonies isn't a colonial occupation of one or more nations

and doesn't engage in imperialism

there are no nations you can be patriotic for because

you can literally define this in a way that it applies

to every single country on earth

just like this one

we've got the biggest crock

not a one time

reply in a letter from marx congratulating lincoln reluctantly freeing slaves

does not make lincoln a marxist

i don't think any of us have ever called lincoln a marxist

but who knows

what do i know i'm just a

pat sock

ok

then there's this dumbfuck swamp this idiot who won't debate me

this one's going to be quicker to respond to

isn't it weird that during the new left socialist patrism was mostly associated with trotskys

okay

you guys know he made that up

i looked into it and it's just not true like

there were no there was no association between socialist patriotism and trotskyism

because sourcials of patriotism came from the popular front

which was the official communist party the official communist party was what

so then they were not trotskys

so no one knows where he got this from

who wound up birthing the neo conservative movement and that modern source paters keep supporting right wing political aption

ya

i mean there's so much to break down here so like firstly this is just not true

so

the whole thing just got destroyed it's just not true right

but if you want to say well trotsky is

birth the neo conservative movement and you guys support right wingers

ok well the right wingers we support

m

you're right they're both a right wing so is that a materialist analysis let's actually do a materialst analysis the neo conservative movement came out of the established from the top down from the university elite

with the backing of the establishment in the military that's where it came from

and the right wingers we support are chuckers

and working class populaces

full the ground up

so the fact that they're both right wing doesn't say anything about what relation

they actually have

i mean

are the canadian truckers made of the same stuff

that gives rise to neo conservatives no

they hate the wars they hate the deep state and they hate the establishment

why because materially they have nothing in common with the forces behind neoconservatism the forces behind neoconservatisms came from the not top down the educated

intellectuals

who were trotskyists actually

and it had no popular dimension at all

they literally corresponded with trotsky

so what does it have to do with socialpatersm we don't know he's just lying

but

oka he's lying who cares who cares right hawes

he got eight hundred lks telling a lie

still in shock

it's crazy how you can just lie on twitter and get

eight hundred likees

it's actually fucking crazy

wonder what that's about

probably

a coincidence

surely nothing to do with the irreconcilable reactionary political qualities of u s patriotsm in and of itself

if only this was actually true

but it's not

and even if it was

let's use some logic

most of the new left

became neo conservatives

liberals yuppies and became part of the democratic establishment

so it's pretty weird

how most of the new left maoists

became democrats

surely has nothing to do with the irreconcilable reactionary political qualities of new left maoism in and of itself

right back at you dumb ass

i mean logically speaking it's the same logical structure

but you won't accept my conclusion

why

right i mean it doesn't they're not saying anything no one has to say anything that's consistent

or makes sense

or is fucking logical it just doesn't matter right

all fo

wait a fucking second

hold on i ax this was fucked up wait

i literally didn't even mean to do this fucking pun

i did not mean to do this bun

hold on

i swear to god i didn't know this was a pun

i literally did not know this was a pun

i literally didn't know that

wait

i had no idea

now on stream

hold on

this is fuck i got to clarify right

because if i delete it people are going to be like oh

you said something bad or whatever right

people are

pointed out

if the crack

thing was upon

and it

genuinely was not

i did all this on yeah

genuine that was not

genuinely think that's bad taste and wouldn't

do that

but there's no point in deleting it now

i genuinely think that's bad taste

was an intentional pun

but would love for people to engage with this fact

honest

bully shit

i just

because i just realized like someone made a comment and they were like

el mayo give a crack at that and i was like

why is that funny

and i was like oh shit

that's fucked up

walk

have such bad luck

never apologiz i didn't apologize just pointing out that was not my intention

that literally was not my intention at all

did any of you guys think that was like an intentional pun

i didn't catch it either

i did not catch that

i didn't get cancelled for it yet

so i'm

yeah i didn't happen yet

i'm just

thinking now like what the fog of holy shit

it's focked up

all right

should we watch this debate ro video or save it for tomorrow

this is the batesboro pit video by noah

sampson

um

i don't know if should i work ok

should i exercise tonight

wonder if i should exercise tonight

toose a ice just wait till saturday to restart it

i want to do a poor

mm

exercise

do it tonight

wait till

saturday don't

in two days now

yeah i'm going to like

let you guys decide

i'll literally just do what you guys

say

how's your arm feeling i don't know

hoin i feel like

now yeah it's still a little weird

yeah

sorning revolution and we

welcome to our show this morning

right i want joe sims to keep

pur

i don't want i want this person to be kicked out

i

i'm fine if joe simms stays for a long time

ok

because he actually does have charisma

and i'm fine with him staying

and rosanna can stay too

he has to go though this guy has to be replaced

so i just want to replace people like this gay joekinstay

he cannot stay

go

this guy cannot stay we don't approve who is this guy what's his name we don't approve of him

we do not approve this guy

yet

anita waters is the worst

she said we remind her of the in ll movement

and

i don't know why

you guys want to know something so fucked up

and i mey tell you

n go te you

he' you talkwd

banging women in l a no i don't and even if i did

doesn't insl mean you cannot get pussy

well clearly i don't have that problem

anita

means you're trying but failing

but also winning sometimes

sometimes

i

let me tell you guys something

i know what you're thinking

i actually know what you're thinking

gam

i know you're fucking thinking

i know exactly what you're think

you're thinking is this the end of the dream

and you know i don't lie do

as it is

and i will see you tomorrow

possible show down tomorrow

possible showdown

by guys