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you'll never see me again

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I step by side I need my peace

take one down and hit my pee

I feel I overuse myself I overuse myself

I overdid myself

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Good Hit the lights and hit it right

took everything ain't nothing left

count your blessings count your steps

at your throat like we that strip

it's way too cold under this flesh

always

we drink leave us a mess

down all my drugs at his owners

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nigga

out

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the winner

I'm on a wintertime

for putting my eyes

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on my status as an old man if you got a

plug how the fuck is you broke then I

called up PC not listen with bro saying

wintertime grind hustle hard when it's

cold out I'm on the wintertime

stack the money kick the hoes out

better time

on the wintertime grind I'm just trying

to run it hey nigga I got family

depending on so what the fuck I look

like not getting money I do it so my son

ain't gotta be in the streets plus I got

a little brother bigger than me I gotta

be there for him when he really need me

if I'm bringing bread home then who else

gonna Feed Us yeah it's good to pray

cause we all need Jesus but these Niggas

Gotta Give me 5K for a future remember

bitches used to say a nigga smell funny

now they all on my dick cause they can

smell money I ain't fucking with these

niggas they might tell on me stacked

enough to buy a bill call it bail money

sell your grandma nigga let them have

fun stay consistent and I promise you

your time's gonna come night doggies for

the winter staying out the mall calling

up 100 Bands while I'm saying fuck them

all Nigga hey wintertime Grand Hustle

Hard when it's cold out I'm on the

wintertime

stack the money kick the hoes out Club

I'm on the wintertime grind I'm just

trying to run it up

all right

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but I'm still alone chasing all these

bitches ain't gonna help when the bills

come back and cheese left for four

months that's a real run slap a bitch

with a 50 bar make her feel dumb I'm

trying to run it up I put the Rollie up

I got the change too I put the frames up

I ain't really trying to get low but I

got two I just want a barber right now

it ain't time to I see you Boys in the

Summer again I'm coming out the crib

with a hundred again broke niggas

thinking shit funny again imma stack it

up and get some money again I've been up

for days I ain't been getting no sleep

don't even want no pussy ain't been

hitting no freaks I could have bought

the Gucci I just threw on the T I'm

starving myself just so I can eat nigga

winter time Grand Hustle hurt when it's

cold out I'm on the wintertime

stack the money kick the hoes out I'm on

a wintertime

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my conversation money even cut off my

old friends

I rock with my white boys heavy I'm cold

playing fuck rap break get Rex with My

Soul saying if you hit man you'll cut

off your own hands on my stairs

fuck is you broke then I called up PC

not listen with bro saying

wintertime Grand

hustle hard when it's cold out

I'm on a wintertime

stack the money kick the hoes out I'm on

a winner

I'm on the wintertime grind I'm just

trying to run it nigga I got family

depending on so what the fuck I look

like not getting money I do it so my son

ain't gotta be in the streets plus I got

a little brother bigger than me I gotta

be there for him when he really need me

if I'm bringing bread home then who else

gonna Feed Us yeah it's good to pray

cause we all need Jesus but these Niggas

Gotta Give me 5K for a feature remember

bitches used to say a niggas smell funny

now they all on my dick cause they can

smell money I ain't fucking with these

niggas they might tell on me stacked

enough to buy a bill call it bail money

sell your grandma nigga let them have

fun stay consistent and I promise you

your time's gonna come night doggies for

the winter staying out the mall calling

up 100 Bands while I'm saying fuck them

all Nigga hey wintertime Grand out

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the time

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grind I'm just trying to run it up

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like the fucking stream you lazy fox

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thank you crack dealer thank you Emilio

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excuse guys for being so late

streaming so late we gotta put an end to

this all right um let's be frank sober

analysis Frank sober analysis of my

management of the infrared Channel

in the month of October and so far in

November let's do a Frank self-criticism

because I'm going to do a very Frank

self-criticism right now

he's been fumbling the bag all right

infrared hasn't grown in like a month

we're still at 24 000 subscribers

this is horrific bro thank you so much

John appreciate you this Dono is not for

Dr Ross but for DJ Hayes's base set the

worst thing to do for a corporation is

to report bad news but I want to be

frank with you guys I'm going to be like

Elon Musk running Twitter when he's

talking about how Twitter is losing

Revenue now I'm not saying this to say

that oh I'm losing money that's not an

issue you guys are very generous as a

community and you're keeping this thing

afloat so that's not what I'm saying I'm

saying in terms of growth I have been

fumbling the bag because I haven't been

streaming very consistently and I'm I'm

in the process of fucking moving is the

problem right

and I'm not going to get settled in

until probably late this week if that

right it's not not sure what the

timeline is

but

it's just I've been this in this crazy

chaotic process of moving

and then oh boy today I do have an

excuse for streaming this fucking late

let me just say that there's a few

things first I did apologize to him in

email I want to say sorry to James from

Modern Day debate

because I had a debate scheduled for

today at like 7 45 and I completely

fucking forgot it

and I woke up around like 8 P.M or some

shit

and that's a different story how that

happened

when I woke up at like 8 pm

and then I'm I was like holy fuck I

missed it so it's getting postponed to

Monday is what he told me

yeah

so I'm gonna I'll do some self-criticism

I've been fumbling the fucking bag but

today I genuinely did have a good excuse

and it was the fucking fact

that I woke up at like 8 pm

and I'm not going to give the story

because it's a crazy story

but there's a there's a fucking reason

okay I have a good fucking reason but I

gotta get back on track man because this

shit man it's still it's not even at

24.1 we're still at 24 000 subscribers

this is a horrific level of growth an

unprecedented Slowdown

I think right

um

but I insisted that I was gonna I was

gonna skip today's stream and I said

nope I'm not skipping it I'm gonna

continue to stream today

because I owe it to you guys to just

keep streaming every fucking day you

know Matt threws rain or Sunshine no

matter what fucking happens I'm gonna

continue streaming

so that's my promise to you the

infrasell community of infras solitary

celibates

infrared celibacy

infrared celibacy it basically means

um

it basically means

um you don't it I don't know you have

sex in the cold or some shit I don't

know but there's something to it okay

there's something to that in for cell

thing

and makes us all A brotherhood

with some women in it

a brother Sisterhood

anyway guys uh welcome Raiders and thank

you so much Jackson for the raid and

thank you Jackson for saving my stream

because the stream would have been

fucking dead without Jackson tonight

probably right

so thank you for that appreciate it a

lot

and we have a few things to talk about

today well we have a lot of things to

talk about we also have a few things to

talk about okay

now first and foremost

um I want to talk about my day so I woke

up at 8pm and then I went to the gym and

then at the gym they didn't have water

so I had to drive to a gas station to

buy water

and then once I got my water I went to

the gym and I exercised

and I listened to Turkish nationalist

music and the reason I did that is

because I was thinking about the Ottoman

Empire

um

and I'm not Turkish at all

and I'm not even a fan of Turkish

nationalism whatsoever

but I am a fan I'm just interested in

the Ottoman Empire historically right

I'm kind of schizo I just listen to

crazy shit all the time but I was I was

exercising I was lifting

to Turkish

I was out I'm gonna show you the song I

was working out too right

um this is what I was listening to

this one

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this is what I was listening to at the

gym okay

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also something inspired this and shout

out to my Armenian friends all right I'm

not taking sides

and I love Armenia and I love Armenians

okay

um I'm just a kind of schizophrenic but

the reason I was thinking this because I

saw a

I saw a a post I don't know where the

fuck it was I don't know where I found

this right I was on my phone and I saw

it

it was like 4chan and it was something

like

we Turks are not brown we're not white

and we're not black

we don't believe in equality nor

superiority

we're warriors

and we'd even if we have to throw

ourselves on the battlefield just to

waste the enemy's bullets

I found that so beautiful

and they said we are not humans we are

Turks

and I I like that

I like it

okay I like it

I like it because you know it's a

different world it's the ottoman world

it's a different world

the world of Islam

they reject Western modernity we don't

care about your morality we don't care

about your white you're black you're

Brown we don't give a fuck about your

fucking morality we don't give a fuck

about your equality nor your superiority

we're warriors Jihad

I fuck with it

we're neither evil nor good

just fierce

we don't care about democracy nor

dictatorship

neither East nor West

there's something like dark about it but

I fucking like it a lot okay

there's something about it I really fuck

with and I could explain in depth

theoretically what I fuck with about it

because it's just like it's an

effacement of Western modernity

like there's a beating ottoman heart

of the empire of a completely different

civilization

that will never be surrendered

I find it based

I find that based

right

I like this idea right

about how something can be mighty

I don't like this I hate how

in the west morality has become

separated

from might right why should it be why

shouldn't something that's moral also be

mighty and prove itself like a fucking

Lions Roar

right

I don't know

I don't know

I don't know if I'm a sofa vid or an

ottoman I'm kind of a sofa vid some days

and sometimes I'm an ottoman and then

some days I'm part of Muscovy and I'm

just not loyal to anyone right I'm like

I'm like a rootless

this loyal schemer from phenicia I'm a

Phoenician you know

I'm a Phoenician

Lebanese

but I I I fight for many empires okay I

fight for the Yuan Dynasty and I fight

for the Ming Dynasty and I'll fight for

the Qing Dynasty and I'll fight for the

Mongols and I'll fight for the Muscovy

muscovites and I'll fight for the Turks

and I'll fight for the Persians the

safavids and I'll fight for I'm like a

mercenary and I like all of them

but um I will never fight for the

fucking habsburgs that would solved

fucking promise you that I might even

fight for the Spanish and the Portuguese

hell you give me the right price I'll

fight for them

I will never fight for fucking habsburgs

okay and I will never fight for Poland

the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth fuck

off I'm not gonna fight for you okay

and I would not fight for the Dutch nor

the British

um

would I fight for France possibly

Napoleonic France I would I would fight

for Napoleonic France possibly that's a

that's a strong possibility depending if

I if I get to stay in Europe I don't

want to go and fight Haitians I want to

stay in Europe and fight you know fight

there

I could do that

um

and uh you know

this is how it is right I could fight

for many empires many different Empires

but some I would not fight for like for

example

um

you know I just

I don't know I don't know I don't know I

would fight for the Zulus I would

definitely fight for the Zulus right

I would join the Zulus see the thing is

I get it I'm like you know what I am I'm

not an internationalist I'm not a

globalist I'm a nationalist for every

country right I can be a nationalist for

every country because when I listen to

that Turkish music it's like I get it

okay I fucking get it I understand not

the Turkish ethno-nationalism that's

cringe but like I get I get what the

Ottoman Empire is I just I fucking get

it okay I get I understand

and if you don't get it I'm gonna

explain it to you

it's the last Islamic Empires the Empire

at the end of History it's the Empire of

the end times it's the Empire of the

Apocalypse it's the entire Empire that

awaits us that is the waiting room for

the next life

right it's the empire

that's like a funeral at the same time

and it's

awaiting our passage into the next life

and we fight here at the edge of History

we fight here right before the end of

History right before the apocalypse

right before the end times

I get it yeah I get it

I get it

but um

but I'm not see people get like oh all

the enemies of the Turks are gonna be

like oh ha is your cringe no because I

like everyone okay

I understand Armenia I love Armenians

I understand the Kurds I love the Kurds

you know

I'm against all oppressors I'll just

tell you that I'm against the oppressor

in every circumstance right but

the Empire is something different

it's it's something more it's more than

just oppression right it's an Empire

um yeah

but uh yeah that's this I understand it

right

I understand it

the banking civil war going on I have no

fucking idea what that is I have no idea

what that is

yeah I could fight I'm not against

Poland but I'm against the intermarium I

think that's fucking cringe look I hate

saying this shit

but what happened to the Polish Empire

it became part of Russia because it's

that that was the destiny Russia Empire

right

um so that doesn't mean Poland has to be

part of Russia it just means like Poland

is not a big space so fuck the three C's

Alliance

and you know because he you look even

turkeys cringe when it comes to this

shit

like okay you talk to Turkish

nationalists and I get it sometimes but

then

what's this thing with nato in fucking

Ukraine you're gonna give the drones to

Ukraine and flip-flopping I mean it's

not a it's I can't respect it I can't

respect it I can't respect anything

Mighty about kissing the ass of a

fucking nato in the west right I just

can't respect that

I cannot respect that

um you know

real Independence real Independence is

what I can respect I don't respect this

thing where you pretend to be

independent you're like oh yeah we just

lick America's ass because it benefits

us

no because you don't have a fucking

choice because if you win against

America

you know you would get fucked

or you would be too scared to do

anything

thank you so much mockery did you see

tyt majority report slander of Jimmy is

behind the Pelosi attack

I don't even know if that's worth

entertaining like

Jimmy door is behind the attack on

fucking Paul Pelosi I mean

what

come on I'm not I know I'm a silly guy

but we have to have some level of

seriousness in here okay we can't just

be

taking everything so lightly right

that's literally a joke that's like a

hilarious gag that's a fucking comedy

special right

that's hilarious guys I feel like shit

today because I woke up so late but

um regardless

um

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I uh

yeah some say that Haas

even though I'm Lebanese

some say I have

Mongol turkic ancestry

because there's this is the story

apparently

there is a um

nomadic

pastoralist in the middle of Central

Asia and a Grand Eagle picked them up

and flew them all the way to phenicia

and then

um some Phoenician merchants

were you know they were conducting trade

and shit

and they shot down the eagle because it

was so big and they had bows and arrows

and shit and then the baby fell out and

it fell into someone's

um

basket

and

they just decided to adopt it and they

didn't even they didn't know why it

happened they just adopted it and that

that was my ancestor basically

I'm just kidding I'm literally 100

percent

afro-asiatic Semitic

that means I'm Egyptian okay

we eat rose

we are Egyptians 11 times are Egyptians

well we're not Egyptian but like Egypt

is our motherland that's like our big

space it's Egypt okay we are like that's

like our we're like an Egyptian sphere

of influence okay

because we eat which comes from Egypt

and that is just fact okay

and we were under the mom Luke's and

shit and we were under you know so yeah

I'm 100 11 time 100 Semitic 100 Egyptian

100 Lebanese 100 you know Arabic

what does Arabic even mean I am an Arab

but um

yeah

yeah but

I'm I'm a larper nationalist for every

country so sometimes it's like I'm

Romanian or some shit right sometimes

I'm literally fucking Finnish

you know what I mean sometimes I'm

fucking

but I'm never Japanese shout out I mean

I don't have anything against Japan but

you guys got to get your shit together

come on

um

and sometimes I'm Korean

sometimes I am Korean right

I'm French

I could be French I could just move to

France and just be French why not I

could probably assimilate very easily

into France and that's because I'm a

pervert

I'm just kidding guys I'm kidding I'm

kidding

but I could easily move to France

and live in France it's just like it'll

be so easy to do right

and it's not I'm not a Franco File I

don't like love the French I'm just like

yeah I could I could live there why not

right I could put up with it and just be

French

um I don't hate nor love France I just

um

feel like you know it's just like I

don't know

just for the food no the food is not

that great but the women

are interesting right

you know what I wish

I wish I grew up in France I wish I

could go to high school in France that's

what I wish I wish I went to ice I wish

I grew up in France

like an experienced French

high school and college because I don't

know why

but France just like loves

the institutional setting

you know what I mean

I can't explain it

people that actually grew up in France

hate it

every time I say anything someone just

fucking contradicts me right someone

just will fucking contradict me what do

you want dude what do you want

it's not Belgium

and I have bad experience with Belgium

because I'm going to tell you the truth

and I'm not racist against anyone but

I'm going to tell you a real life story

when I was in elementary school

there was a kid from Belgium

who was in who moved to my class

and he smelled so bad

and I asked my parents why he smelled

bad and they just said that's how all

belgians smell

he said they said they don't shower over

there so they're not used to America

where everyone showers every day so

that's why they smell

and ever since then in my deepest on

it's I don't even know if it's true it's

probably not true right it's really

probably not true but ever since then

in my deepest subconscious and my

deepest unconscious ever since then

I've always assumed Belgium was a smelly

place I've always assumed it smells just

because of one kid from Belgium was in

my class and because of what my parents

told me I literally wrote off the entire

country of Belgium I was like you know

what and why do I hate Belgium I don't

know why I don't like it

what what what's the reason because

every time like people ask me I'm like

yeah fuck Belgium this should just be

part of France or some shit why does

that country even exist

dude what do I have against Belgium

right this is how this is what racism is

it's like you don't even know

you don't even know

like

why you're prejudiced against people and

it turns out to be for a bats like

stupid reasons but the only reason I've

ever been against Belgium is because

there was that smelly kid in elementary

school and that's just how memory and

Trauma works

that's just how it works

oh yeah the Congo shit was yeah horrible

um

but yeah I I don't know Belgium I've

just had bad views About Belgium

forever right for a long time

um and I also don't like the Netherlands

at all

uh I don't like the Netherlands

the Dutch

not a fan

not a fan except neet feet who I love I

love neat Feats he's needs feed should

be the king of the fucking Netherlands

all right make neat feet king of

Netherlands

ah oh we're talking about Europe because

I have actually something to show you

guys related to one European country

Germany

apparently Germany is just

um the place where Hitler is from

nothing else because

well I'll show you I'll show you the

context my stomach hurts right now man

I think I have diarrhea

I'm Indonesian

Indonesia is a country I know nothing

about

and I know a little about the

Philippines not much

um but Indonesia oh I only know about

the martial arts that's it

Filipino and Indonesian martial arts

that's something I don't want

whenever I think of Southeast Asia I

just think of martial arts

I just think of people who are in the

jungle with knives and their martial

arts and they're stabbing people and

shit

based

um

actually there are countries I dislike

but I'm never gonna name them

because I don't want to hurt anyone's

feelings like if you're from that

country and you're like oh you don't

like my country I'll be like yeah I just

don't sorry

and there are countries in Asia I just

like

there's one country I really just like

actually in Asia I'm not going to tell

you what it is though

because I actually don't want to hurt

anyone's feelings but I do dislike some

countries I don't love every country

okay

Israel no I'm talking about real

countries dude I'm just kidding YouTube

unless unless I'm allowed to say that

right but um no I actually mean I I

don't me I mean real countries

that I actually dislike

it's not Singapore I don't have a

problem with Singapore okay

Oz hates Thailand

actually I don't hate Thailand I wasn't

even thinking of that I don't hate

Thailand

but I don't know if I like Thailand you

know what I mean because I just

I I don't know I this is Prejudice right

but every time I think of Thailand I

think of human trafficking and it's

scary and shit and I don't want you know

it just fucking terrifies me I don't

like how like sexualized Thailand has

become

and every time I think of Thailand I

think of like oh that's like a really

a lot of prostitution and shit and I'm

like yeah yikes

but then there's that movie The King and

I right so maybe I should learn more

about Thailand probably should

but I do have some bad misconceptions

about Thailand

um

which I'm not gonna say are correct Thai

food yeah I don't like Thai food I've

never tried it but I don't like it no I

don't have a problem with India India is

too big to hate if you hate India you

should probably like

like at that point how much is that just

misanthropy thank you left toys use

anti-imperialism as a geopolitical

version of he didn't do nothing

uh no what what

um yeah I think if you hate India you

gotta you know you gotta like at that

point you gotta think about like how

much of this how much of this is just

like I hate Humanity because it's it's

like what is it one

one out of seven billion people are

Indian so it's like come on I can't hate

India right

but I don't like Indian food I will say

that I don't like Indian food

and I'm allowed to say that because I

don't have to like every food

but no I don't hate India

there's people from India I really like

like Taj Gupta I think he's a really

stand-up guy

but um

uh

do you hate the Philippines nope you

guys have not gotten it yet

actually you guys have gotten it

and I'm not gonna say it

and I'm not gonna say

uh I'm kind of neutral toward Japan you

know one thing I really like about Japan

is um

I like their artistic

no I like I don't hate Japan Kojima

carries Japan I like Japan because of

Kojima I like it just because of Kojima

um and other reasons because you know I

like there's so many smart philosophers

and theorists and artists from Japan so

I there's things about Japan I

appreciate right

no I like South Korea it's not as based

as North Korea but I love Koreans so no

South no Korea is one of my favorite

peoples

definitely not Korea

why would it be Malaysia it's not

Malaysia

it's not Malaysia

it's not Nepal it's not Myanmar it's not

Bhutan I think bhutan's cool actually

it's like snowy there right

that's where they film The Dark Knight

so not dark what is it called Batman

Begins that's where they filmed it it's

pretty cool Cambodia no that's like one

of my favorite countries

but you're close I'm just kidding shit

shit

shit stop okay stop

stop stop stop stop stop

no I don't hate Vietnam all right

everyone's saying Vietnam I don't hate

Vietnam okay I don't hate Vietnam

I don't hate Vietnam

Vietnam was cool when Ho Chi Minh was

around

and then afterwards it's just kind of

different right I don't know you know

what I mean like I don't know but I

don't hate Vietnam you're wrong

you're wrong

um you're wrong okay no I'm bang with

that she's fine

nope Laos is fine I like Laos

Laos is fine

nope Brunei is cool

I like Georgia I like Georgia

I don't have anything against Georgia

you guys are getting this all wrong

why the fuck would I hate Uzbekistan

based on what

no Sri Lanka's fine stop trying to

fucking guess okay you're not gonna

guess it

not gonna guess it okay

it's not Pakistan it's not Myanmar it's

not Burma

same country by the way it's not

Singapore it's not Georgia it's not

fucking Manchuria it's definitely not

Manchuria

uh yeah I do hate Lebanon actually yeah

Lebanon sucks

because it's not real

my least favorite countries in the

Middle East I in order ready

my hair looks like trash

what can you do except go to Turkey and

get this fixed look at this disaster

it's okay

um

it's like I have to get multiple

surgeries in my life

what a horrific circumstance I'm in

and what the fuck is this disaster over

here right

okay

okay

Now list of countries I dislike

Lebanon

it's like I don't want to attack

Jordan and shit it's like there's so

many countries I don't I don't want to

attack just because of the women you

know I'm like oh shit

there's some fine Jordanian women that I

don't want to upset you know what I mean

I just I don't want to do that

I don't want to do that

I have to put simping first but I can I

can hate Sweden right Sweden I don't I

don't care about Sweden right there's

nobody I like

well there's people I like from Sweden

but

I could never date someone from Sweden

so

yeah

I'm clear I'm in the clear

but I like the rule Sweden is kind of

cool right

no LG or Algeria is cool

Algeria is cool

I just hate in the Indian Communist

party I just hate that right because

they always attack me on Twitter fuck

you bitch

why are so many of my fucking hate

stalkers

Indian Communists suck my dick bitch

it's like why

aren't they always on my fucking dick

and they're always fucking

pro-environmentalists and they're always

pro-vegan and they're always fucking Pro

uh you know woke disgusting Swedish

Social Democrat shit ass wipe disgusting

fucking

you know fucking

leftoids you know the this I'm gonna

just make a conspiracy

there's a leftoid conspiracy that spans

Scandinavia to India

because the Indian left is the worst in

the world it's easily

the Indian left is the worst in the

entire planet

and I have no problem saying that and I

prefer Modi to them

modi's fine compared to the fucking

Indian left

if I was in India I would vote for Modi

any day over the fucking Indian left

they are the worst in the entire fucking

world the Indian left is the worst

easily the worst

worse than the U.S

it's very close it's like getting there

right

what's wrong with veganism it's retarded

it's retarded that's the fucking problem

foreign

and I'm sick of white girls who go to

India

and like

listen to fucking A Thousand Miles while

just

trying to go on a yoga retreat

across the thousand

shut the fuck they're from California

you're not a fucking Aryan just because

you have blonde hair it doesn't mean

you're an Aryan Aryans were Brown

Indians they were not fucking

blonde-haired

women from fucking

uh Ireland or some shit

stop fucking going India and LARPing as

a fucking Aryan

Hindu

Hitler right

but other than that I have nothing I

have nothing bad to say about India

except I'm not a fan of the food but

that's it I haven't I've never tasted

the food did you know that

but I just don't think I'd be a fan

right anyway

um and I don't like any Arabic food

that's not Lebanese I'm gonna say

something to all the Arabs who are not

Lebanese you don't know how to make food

so stop trying

it tastes horrible

I go to a I'm getting banned from every

non-lebanese Arab restaurant right now

but I don't care

because even though I like those

restaurants

why are you different than Lebanese food

I grew up on Lebanese food and it's just

these what they're just different how

dare you

but

you know

non-arabic Lebanese food is just

horrific

no

okay look I'm sure Iranian food is good

I'm sure it's good

but I have to make a critique of it

because one time I went to a Persian

restaurant

and it was like a fast food restaurant

Persian fast food restaurant and they

had chicken shawarma

I was like oh okay I'll order this

and I wanted to vomit

am I wrong

am I wrong

that would I'm sure Persian food is good

but don't make shawarmas because I had

one experience that was bad so all

Persian food is to be blamed now

I'm kidding I know I'm saying I've had

Persian food it's very good

it's actually very good I've actually

had real Persian food but that Shawarma

was horrible

but Persian food is actually very good

um have you had Somali food

oh I'm sure it's really good I've never

had it

Ethiopian food is great I'm sure Somali

food's great

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um I've never had Egyptian food

thank you so much Johnny I appreciate

you so much

thank you so much

thank you so much Johnny appreciate it

man why is the Persian restaurant

selling chicken shawarma WTF

I don't know

I don't know

um

the worst Food on Earth

is an easy answer it's probably the

easiest answer

the worst food in the in the entire

world like the whole planet right

ready the worst food

on planet Earth

are you ready

y'all ready for this the worst food in

the world

British food

the British food

let's talk about British food

because it's the worst in the world it's

the worst on planet Earth

and let's talk about it

all of you guys in Britain you guys got

to get your shit together

because I know it's soggy and rainy over

there all the fucking time and miserable

and you just don't have a problem eating

that I if they just want to eat bad food

right

British food is just horrific it's

horrific I've seen pictures of it I've

never tasted it I will not taste it just

based on the fucking pictures

and it's just soggy

this British food is just beans

with fucking water poured on it and

Soggy beans that's British food and it's

the worst in the world

shut the fuck up about fish and chips

okay you're not a genius for having

fried fish

and french fries together that's not

creative that's not like

tell me what about that is

we fry everything in America we even we

fry everything okay

we even fry steak

and having french fries and fried food

is not creative thank you fish and chips

no

fish and chips is stupid I'd rather have

fried chicken and chips than you are

well I agree completely British food is

trash it looks like prison food it is

prison food right

yeah and everyone keeps saying fish and

chips and chips dude if you eat fried

food every day you're gonna get sick

you can't fucking eat fried food every

day positive salty English food is good

okay let's look up English Cuisine

because that maybe I don't know right

English cuisine

oh God

oh God this doesn't look good okay and

this is them trying to make it look the

best possible all right

y'all ready for this let's get ready for

it okay

this is English cuisine

and

ah okay

yeah that looks like a dessert I can get

anywhere in like five minutes away from

me oh look it's

yogurt with fruits how very distinctly

National

uh what is this fucking Haram pork

Extravaganza no thanks

you know what

I just feel like someone with autism

made this

don't you guys get that view I don't

know

like this isn't elegant

what's elegant about this ditch dish

okay there's nothing elegant about this

there's like it doesn't make sense it's

not like it's not beaut it's like it

doesn't make sense right

what is this all right

um

this looks gross

and I don't know what this is but I

would never eat it

uh yeah it looks like what is this

fucking maggot pie

CE okay that looks good but at this

point

just have American food because what is

the point

just fried food and Fries congrats dude

what what is this

Haram pork stew you know the problem

with English food there's too much

fucking pork there's just too much swine

in in English food just way too much

swine okay

what is this

this kind of looks good is this steak

this looks good

but it looks gross too it just like

looks gross

as well I just feel like you can't have

this every day

Beef Wellington yeah it looks good

like once a year

or the Beef Wellington

this this is the most disgusting thing

I've ever seen in my life no cap

this looks like vagina pie yeah you just

it just looks like it just looks like

innards

this is like such a fleshly pie it's

just so flesh fleshly there's just so

much flesh

in this pie it's disgusting you open

this up and you think it's gonna be

something pleasant like some chocolate

or vanilla or some cake

and then you open it up

and it's just fucking like

pussy meat or some shit

this is disgusting all right this is

foul and this is this looks pornographic

actually

this looks fucking pornographic is what

it looks like

it's disgusting yeah the Queen's pie

it's just gross bro this is gross

overall this is not a good lineup all

right I'm just sick of people pretending

otherwise now let's go to French cuisine

French cuisine

um this doesn't look good either I'm

gonna be honest not even there's not

like a comparison one let's do American

Cuisine

uh

okay American food where is it at

this doesn't look particularly accurate

all right I think this one's kind of

accurate

because I know this isn't accurate right

like this is not accurate

cheese bacon okay cheese is an American

food got it yeah just cheese

sweet potato corn on the cob apple pie

and pecan and yeah like a retard made

this one right

this is probably more accurate right

all right I don't like hot dogs so we

can cross that out that's gross brisket

pretty good as long as it's halal

Burger great burger great

french fries great where's the fried

chicken though this is not this is so

like this is such bullshit because

American food has so much diversity

right you know food in New Orleans

I mean we have Tex-Mex we have fucking

you know we have southern comfort food

we have fucking corn bread and we have

like bar yeah BBQ food and

we have much more than this yeah we have

Kajun food or whatever

uh we have California food and we have

like margarita pizza and we have like

Italian American food yeah this is kind

of bullshit right

based thank you so much that freaks me

out about British food is it takes

everyday foods and makes them uncanny

yes that's exactly it yeah we have

Hawaiian food

K June got it

but I want to say Kajun

because it sounds better

Kajun

thoust thou haveth some Kajun food

this is horrific

I've had food waiting outside my door

for like two hours okay

I'm gonna show you some real food

all right we're gonna have some real

food

looks up Eric they're a fat food

we're gonna have some americat Cuisine

okay together okay amerifact Cuisine

let's go

all right first up

first on the list

first on the list for the amerifact

cuisine

the traditional American fat fries

hmm

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rhyme me mate

hmm

there's no salt on these fries and I'm

okay with that

so these are Freedom fries

I'm gonna eat this and I'm done with the

fries

a piece of grilled chicken

between bread

okay

chicken burger

am I cutting

no I'm fucking

your mom is it

grilled chicken ain't good

yeah it is

Miss Donald from Frank

dude amirio I don't miss Sonos

thank you Frank for the Canadian five it

has to be American USD five dollars to

go through the alerts

foreign

but that's how it is right now

um

oh

Chinese food's good

but

I could not eat Chinese food on a

regular basis

and the reason

is because

the density of meats

is not

great

that's Hong Kong food

Sichuan Hot Pot okay

I'll keep that in mind

guys

I'm not a food expert I just like to eat

food yeah

I mean I don't like to eat food I have

to eat food to live

I hate eating

if I was in China I would eat whatever

they eat unless it's Haram

but Chinese dessert is delicious

Chinese Donuts are very good

isn't General Sao like American

innocent

foreign

I feel disgusting man

all right speaking of Europe

because we're talking about Europe

okay we're talking about Europe

and the base gdr

ome

so we're talking about Europe

and uh

talking about Europe

and I got some shit to show you so

apparently Germany is known in America

is just hitlerville

and like everything from Germany has to

be Nazi

that's just what germ that's what

Americans think

because they're fat and libtarded and

stupid

and that's what they think because

they're just it's what fat obesity does

to you okay

I'm becoming fat too with what I'm

eating but that's okay

but anyway

I have an announcement to make okay

so

so first of all let's look at this

cuckold

so it's a fat fuck right

I know you Twitter often but I'd like to

use this threat to bring to light a

situation and Curtis Jones college

we're a student we're a Nazi outfit to

school

33 000 likes

David Luna as a senior who's wearing

promoting

promoting anti-black slogans let's go

Brandon how is let's go Brandon

anti-black fucking retard

is Joe Biden black now

so this is his Nazi um uniform

now if you guys didn't know this is

actually one of us this person is one of

this

based fucking larper

is one of us

because this is actually an East German

uniform not a Nazi uniform

what a beaut Great Mighty larper this is

a Chad this is a chad

the greatest of all time larper

beautiful LARP okay this is one of us

this is one of ours this isn't on the

fucking Nazi this is one of our guys

this is an infercell larper based okay

and some this is I I could honestly see

this guy being an rtsg all right I could

see it I could see like

this I could say

what a chad

right

and this is the most beautiful part

so this guy's the biggest Chad of all

time pretty much the biggest chat of all

time so he they did there was a costume

contest and he marched the Prussian DDR

March

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I didn't care he nope he's doing it

they're all booing him and he don't care

oh and they tried to say that was that

was a Roman salute to no it was not a

Hitler salute that was not a Nazi salute

that was a East German salute retards

and they're all booing him

but he's be he's

this brings a tear to my eye

this is our people

this is our people

someone find this guy and tell him Haas

from infrared wants to interview him and

have him on the show while he's wearing

that outfit

foreign

the East Germans if you didn't know were

the non-cooked Germans who paid the

reparations they were owed

and then they continue to be Germans

and a preserved German military

Traditions like Prussian uniforms and

Prussian marches and why do they do that

because it's part of German culture and

history

they didn't uh become cocked and guilty

for everything because they had nothing

to be guilty about they paid their debt

so now they can just be Germans

what's wrong with that

I'm sick of these fucking people calling

us Nazis we're not Nazis we're fucking

Communists this is how the Communists

were this is how the fucking East German

military looked like

why wouldn't they look like that they're

Germans

they had nothing to be apologetic about

they weren't fucking sorry for being

German why would they

why would they be

so this was based Germany

what a great kid

what a great kid

what a great larper and and they're all

booing him and he just kept doing it

is it up I don't care this is the most

Chad thing I've ever seen in my life

this is the most Chad thing I've ever

seen in my life he kept on marching he

didn't even acknowledge it

oh

they called him a Nazi

this is not a Nazi uniform

this is literally a DDR uniform it's an

East German uniform how is that a Nazi

what an innocent Chad all right this is

literally such an innocent

what a great guy they said he did a Nazi

Goose walk you fucking bitch this is

literally an East German Soldier okay

because and the retards thought he was a

Nazi because they're just fucking stupid

all right

it's you don't have to either be a

libtard or a fucking Nazi you could also

just be a fucking communist you know

that

you know there's like the choices not

between being a fucking libtard

and a fucking Nazi you know there's like

you can just be a fucking communist

right see all of this let me tell you

something the legacy of Communism and

socialism

they're trying to make us forget they're

trying to make it they're not just

trying to convince us that East Germany

never existed and it's like oh you could

either be a based Nazi or a cringe

libtard and that serves the NATO deep

state

because the NATO deep state is filled

with Nazis

so they want you to think that in order

to preserve your culture and preserve

being a Chad and shit you have to become

a fucking Nazi and they want to make you

fucking forget the DDR and the East

Germany they want to make you forget it

why not forgetting it because officially

speaking

I don't recognize the German government

quote unquote Olaf Schultz who's that

I recognize only the gdr as the rightful

government of Germany I don't recognize

any other Germany but the DDR

I don't recognize the German the

occupied German government of NATO the

NATO occupied government of Germany I

don't recognize that government I

recognize the ddrs the sole rightful

governor of Germany okay

and this kid is based and um

a lot of people think the afd

was Nazi no it wasn't it was East German

retard the afd was East German nostalgia

their nationalism was just the DDR

patriotism

that they lost after the fucking Wall

fell and they had to become libtard

cosmopolitans

the afd was a DDR remnant

you know

they call him Nazi I was a Nazi where's

the Nazi the Nazis all went to Nato part

of the NATO deep State oh because

they're National they're Nazis

because they have National character and

shit they're Nazis really

because they're fierce Patriots

defending their motherland their

Homeland with rifles and fucking

kalashnikovs that make some fucking

Nazis

how does that fucking make Nazis because

they're proud of their Homeland and

they're proud of their country that

makes them Nazis

get the fuck out of here

then you're not journalism

yeah

the East German military was known for

its Progressive non-heteronormative

neurodiversion Xeno jefferid ethically

sourced AOC Union clothing yeah

why wouldn't they fucking look

like Germans they're Germans this is

what a German uniform looks like it's a

Prussian uniform it's part of German

fucking history

the DDR preserved German culture West

Germany imported pornography and smut

and filth and garbage

the choice is obvious

but they're trying to say we're Nazis

we're not Nazis bitch we're Communists

this is not a Nazi this is an infrasell

this is one of us

oh my God it's a Nazi uniform no you are

a libtard bitch you are a fucking

libtard idiot Nazi bitch

you think everything is Nazi that's

outside of libtardism no it's fucking

not

why does it have to be libtard versus

Nazi why is that the only choice they're

trying to make us forget that there was

the Communist choice this is what this

is a communist uniform thank you so much

the king appreciate you Ukraine is only

allowed to be nationalist I guess yeah

exactly

like holy shit imagine being jerked like

let me I feel bad for Germans because

it's like imagine being German

and you're not allowed to be German you

have to be what

you can't be German

you know what I mean imagine being

German

and you're like no you can't be German

well okay you know what why don't you

just not have Germany exist why don't

you just change the name to

SAR apologia

change the name of Germany to apologia

uh change the language to Soy speak

and everyone has to be LGBT

um

and uh you know

Germany's done it's gone forever

sorryville and Berlin will be named

sorryville

and um

uh

and that way no one in America will be

offended

I'm just saying the DDR paid its

reparations they paid its their fucking

reparations right

so they paid their debt so what else do

you fucking want

you know what I mean

they were given a debt and they paid it

off

so fuck off

it's not like the the uh

it's not like the treaty said oh yeah

Germans have to go extinct now they

can't exist anymore what

no yeah the Germans were horrible in

World War II horrible and they paid

their debt

back to the Soviets

and then okay the beef is squashed

what else do you fucking want

we have to be cucked to liberalism and

NATO and fucking you know

that's what we have to do

that doesn't make any sense

that doesn't make any sense to me

so yeah Twitter remember 33 000 likes

and um

this is we need to get this guy on the

show

Dr Joseph Powers has been removed from

Jones

they kicked him out

so Joseph powers

was the

what was he Joseph Powers was um the

principal right go home

thank you Harold so much Joseph Powers

was the principal

and he sent out this very reasonable

email this is what he said

thank you so much for making our school

day Halloween a colorful and fun event

one of our students were in East German

communist era Border guard uniform

probably from the 1980s before the

reunification of Germany in 1990

he said he personally saw guards on the

other side of the wall dressed this way

uh they traded some context in the time

period and the students who spoke to me

but apparently the student who wore the

uniform may have told people was from

the 1940s

couldn't it have been from the 1940s if

it was

the Soviet occupied Germany

I think they lied about this right

explain the same thing to him and the

inferences others might have drawn

ah

so not only did the student get removed

you want to see cancel culture not only

did the student get removed now let's

talk about this

the principle has been removed from the

college

and an investigation is done on his

contact

and and they're saying this isn't even

enough

because David you Luna has yet to be

held accountable

he they apologized and caved to the

retarded student body

so David Joseph Powers has been removed

because of anti-Semitism and endorsement

of Nazism

based thank you I lived in East Germany

in 1989 as a toddler wonderful place

pretty cool to be able to say that means

I'm old afo kid is based thank you so

much tug appreciate you man

this fucking pisses me off

you know this angers the shit out of me

and the students are to blame and the

student organizations are to blame

you guys know I love Cambodia

and there's only one solution to some

um

Urban

uh you know

developments and that's Urban

reconstruction

you know building new infrastructure and

stuff

the reason I'm mentioning that is

because I feel like if there was more

urban infrastructure

um

then people would be less inclined to be

focusing on fickle things such as this

by the way guys I love Cambodia it's one

of my favorite countries

I genuinely think I'm allowed to say

this I think these students

should be

forced to work on farms for boot camp

legally

thank you so much Johnny appreciate you

we need the guy who looks like Elon I

can't say more

yeah I agree

let me get this straight

this based larper

went to college

with a DDR outfit

and the students were so retarded that

they accused him of wearing a Nazi

outfit

and then when they were corrected that

oh it's not a Nazi outfit it's an East

German outfit they doubled down

and they doubled down

and then the the

principal got fired

because they still kept crying over what

because you were wrong are you fucking

crying because you were wrong you stupid

shit little bitch students I fucking

hate students man

what are you crying for because you were

you were wrong

you stupid bitch student

I'll make me a professor

I fucking can't stand oh these are high

schoolers fuck them

you stupid fucking kids

you dumb fucking kids

idiot fucking Tick Tock Twitter fucking

idiot kids

thank you

the only German government that fully

denassified exactly the German

government didn't denassify there's

still fucking influence of the Nazis in

the current German government these

Germans fully denodified

these stupid students kept fucking

bitching and what is the principal sent

out an email he's like guys you were

wrong it's an East German outfit and

they still kept crying and then the

principal's such a cuck he had to still

apologize so this is what the principal

said

after the students berated him uh

because he pointed out that they were

wrong because it wasn't a Nazi outfit it

was an East German outfit earlier on

week when storm actually having families

about the situation who were German

military uniform to school

oh it wasn't now it's not an East German

military uniform it's a it's a German

because he's he's literally scared to

tell the truth

he has to use the ambiguous word German

military uniform because he's scared to

tell the truth he can't say East German

because then they're gonna accuse him of

being an anti-semite for not validating

their hysteria which was unfounded so

because he refuses to validate their

unfounded Hysteria

he's in hot he's in deep shit

so he has to use more politically

correct language in order to deny the

truth because these students got whipped

up

on hysteria because they decided it was

a Nazi uniform

and he told them it's not a Nazi uniform

so he they got even more angry at him so

to appease them and to validate their

unfounded hysteria he has to retract

that it's an East German military

uniform and just say oh let's just agree

that it was a German military uniform no

you fucking idiot cuck it was an East

German military uniform there was

nothing Nazi about it

as more information has come to light

including additional video of the

incident like what video

and through conversations with our staff

and students

we realize that this has greatly

impacted our community

what occurred and caused harm to many of

our students and staff who recognized

this as an act of anti-semitism

thank you

foreign

tic though

what does this have to do with Jewish

people

what does it have to do with Jewish

people can someone tell me and fill me

in

what does this have to do with Jewish

people at all

how is it anti-Semitic

how is it anti-semitic please explain

I want you to know that we're going to

address the bias the Chicago Public

Schools office for student Productions

providing support

so let me get this straight

they need an institution to come and

offer support

over this video

so they got traumatized by so an entire

Commission of the government has to come

in and offer support because some kid

wore an East German uniform and did this

oh

and that's so they need support because

of this

this is what happened

that makes them uh require support

okay what happened though no they're not

even saying it's semi-semitic in that

email anymore but that it caused harm to

people who recognized it as anti-Semitic

what what

okay what's what's the other Smoking Gun

evidence

fucked up you thought you ate them

oh my God my stomach's aching so much

fucked

ah fuck

oh man I have a horrible stomach ache I

don't fucking know why

but um

so the message is we know this wasn't

harmful and it didn't do any harm to

anyone

and there is nothing wrong with it

but because students made up in their

head that it was offensive we're gonna

provide you with support

oh that makes a ton of sense

all right so obviously comments like

these like first of all that's not even

the same thing but like that's a whole

different conversation to get into

anyways this person is a retard you know

that thank you Johnny now who shall not

be named was right about the glasses

wearers

yeah I love Cambodia a lot

but um

a lot of harm was caused because of this

East German uniform

beginning tomorrow and throughout the

coming days we will have support on site

from a number of CPS Central offices

look at all these people who I would

fire if I was the president I would

let's fire all these fucking social

workers now fire them now fire them now

we're paying for them with our tax

dollars fire them now man we pay taxes

for this

we're literally paying taxes so some fat

lazy fucks can go and console students

because they saw in East German

Halloween costume what the fuck world

are we living in Man Fire these people

we will have space for students to

process the harm they've experienced in

small groups or individually

we will also be Reese

this is a joke dude this is a fucking

joke I can't fucking believe this

I can't you know what privatize the

schools yeah you heard it I don't give a

fuck privatize them I don't give a shit

privatize the public schools

but forget public schooling we're done

with it privatize everything Elon Musk

take charge and fire everyone please

let's abolish public schooling

Elon Musk take it over and fire em all

fire everything

fire all of these people

fire everything okay this is just

fucking absurd

you know what

I'm gonna say something though can I say

something spicy

remember when the member of the

you guys remember the Ultra Mega

zionists

like Claire Lehmann and uh quilette the

quilette people and Brett Weinstein and

you know

Sam Harris

the intellectual dark web Barry Weiss

the ultra Zionist

right

remember how they were complaining about

cancel culture and like how shit is too

woke now oh my God it's so woke I can't

even talk about racial science I can't

even talk about

how like I think black people are

naturally more stupid than white people

I'm Claire Lehman I'm a stupid dumb

bitch who's gonna complain about cancer

culture because I can't

publish Hitler right science against

black people

remember that dumb retarded bitch Claire

Lehman that stupid bitch

remember her

remember how she complained about cancel

culture but she's a mega establishment

shill Zionist Centrist bitch remember

her

hey where are you Claire Lehman are you

gonna fucking uh denounce this

foreign

culture sayings like over Israel and

shit

it's true

this is cancel culture if you didn't

know

but here's the thing I doubt any Jewish

people are involved

I bet there's no Jewish people involved

in any of this shit

because bet these are all just fucking

woke retard students who are using

Jewish people as a vehicle with which to

realize their fucking woke paranoid

Mission I don't think there's Jewish

people involved in this cancellation I

don't I don't think Jewish people are

stupid that's why I don't think it

because

you know Jewish culture promotes

education a lot so I'm pretty sure in

Jewish culture they would be like yeah

it's an East German uniform

because they're educated right so I

think this is retard woke

students

who decided they want to cry like babies

over nothing

that's what I think

thank you Mikey

ironically these same kids would have

handed people over to the Nazis back in

the day no morals or politics just

chasing good boy points of course they

would have

you know the first cancel culture was

the Nazis right think about it

they canceled bolshevism

in the universities they canceled people

for being Bolsheviks and for reading

Lenin

and for reading marks

and even Freud

they would cancel people for that

you're canceled this hurts my feelings

talking about the real Nazis this these

people are Hitler look what they're

fucking doing they're just because it's

an East German this is American

hitlerism is what it is but German

people can't have their own fucking

uniforms historically accurate uniforms

really

foreign

I want to know where this is like where

he isn't dressed as a Nazi that's an

East German uniform that's 221 likes

being this disingenuous is a bad look

Ryan are you retarded

is there something wrong with you that

you're like retarded in your head

what what is disingenuous about the fact

that it's an East German uniform

nobody's like boosting the truth

nobody's boosting the truth that it's in

East German

uniform

did you know the CP USA was uh arguing

it was a Nazi oh I need to find it I

need to fucking find it

look at this fucking retard So This

Guy's in the cpusa

you know this is a cpusa member look at

this

CP USA member this is a CP USA member

ready

as much as he may be doing it to cause a

fence that is a uniform and salute from

the gdr

it's only got 719 likes

The Siege hail isn't communist

there's no Siege hail

this retard is in the fucking cpusa but

he doesn't even fucking know

this is literally it a cpusa member

doesn't know the basic history of one of

the most influential communist countries

this is baffling This Guy's in the

fucking Communist party and this is what

they're teaching these retards in the

Communist party so whenever someone gets

canceled by the woke mob for being an

anti-semite there's they have to be

correct

the mob is always right you they'll even

anything right if they cancel marks as

Auntie said oh well they have a point

you know they kind of

pause you're a bitch you're a fucking

pussy every instance of

paranoia about anti-Semitism or Nazism

you have to validate it because if you

can admit just once right that this is

unjustified hysteria and unjustifiable

cancel culture that will open up a can

of worms and you'll have to be held

accountable for all the other fucking

people you unjustifiably slander as

fascists to Nazis so they literally have

to lie and agree with every single

instance of someone being smeared as a

Nazi by the fucking woke mob because if

they don't they're giving credence to

the actual fact that the majority of

people who are being canceled for not

for being Nazis are not Nazis at all it

even in such a snakedly Shameless case

is this

where this student is wearing a DDR East

German communist uniform which everyone

can see irrefutably it is the case

there's nothing Nazi about that uniform

at all if you know anything about

history they still have to fucking sit

here in posture and pretend like they're

well it's valid how they feel it's valid

dude I'm fucking pissed you know what

the inner autist larper in me is really

fucking angered right now

because this is one of us man

you know like these

you know those weird autistic kids

who are into like communist LARP

and his history LARP and they're like

you know they like the Soviet ushankas I

mean those are those are gorilla cells

man

those are in for cells

he's not doing any harm

he's just flexing his

Niche nerdy knowledge about history

it's not a statement

and you know what let's watch that he

has nothing to apologize for what a

based kid

it's not a statement on it's not a form

of social commentary

he's just fucking flexing his nerdy

Niche knowledge on East Germany and and

it's like dude and they like canceled

him over

and he still marched anyway what a

fucking Chad

Chad autistic based larper

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you know what I mean

he didn't do anything wrong what did he

fucking do wrong

he's probably just some lonely weird kid

in high school who doesn't have any

friends and he loves history and he

loves

you know Niche geopolitical topics

probably you know one of those kids

and he just wanted to dress as a fucking

East German Border guard

because it's just like a niche kind of

quirky thing right

and they fucking win at him

fuck those people man fuck those people

I take it personally because this is

like infrared right these are infrared

people thank you so much anonymous

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school same situation in the Israeli

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but thanks yeah this is idiocrity

idiocracy thank you Jay Grimes as an

autistic that kid knew exactly what he

was doing he knows he has nothing to

apologize for

yeah like he

like he that's what I mean like he like

he was doing it not for society but like

you know

I sympathize this with this kid so much

man because I know that's where a lot of

the community comes from and although I

never had that phase myself I never had

that kind of

thing

um

it's like

there's something cool about LARP man I

talked about this you know

there's two types of Communists in

America

based larpers in Idaho where who have

Soviet flags hanging from their fucking

garage in the middle of nowhere

and fucking woke blue hair retards and I

prefer the larpers any day of the

fucking week

know the larpers who collect like Cold

War guns and like you know Soviet

ushanka hats and shit those are the

fucking based ones it's a war that

there's the based Communists and there's

the fucking cringe blue hair ones and I

know exactly who I side with and it's

not even a question

I know exactly who I side with thank you

so much Jay Grimes not just for himself

he's breaking the conditioning

appreciate you so much

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fucking guns and arms to

Third World Liberation movements they

were Childs bro

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the star Z was fucking bass man

as an Arab I know that how much the East

Germans

helped the Arab world fight against

colonialism and shit shout out these

Germans man

shout out to these Germans man fucking

bass man

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Shout Out East Germany man

thank you so much Jenna that might help

your stomach pain

well East Germany was a beautiful

country man

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thank you so much for the 20 Mojave

appreciate you so much man thank you

someone wants to debate

okay

hello

hello House of infrared

yup

I got some points here uh you said

recently that uh the Chinese economy is

fundamentally uh socialist uh however oh

it seems that the comrade stalins are

own Works would say this is quite uh not

the case in fact he rather says that

small commodity production is the basis

uh provides the base providing the basis

for the restoration of capitalism in the

USSR under the conditions of the NEP oh

okay what do you think there's something

comparable between the NEP and um

China's socialist market economy

or precisely in the essence of what uh

Stalin himself

well firstly because in the Socialist

market economy of the of the People's

Republic of China well there is a

dictatorship of the proletariat on the

political level through the Communist

Party nevertheless the dictatorship with

proletariat is not extended into the

area of every single uh Factory and

every single company okay

oh my God thank you so much Mojave I

have to shit so bad

um anyway I have to shit I'll be right

back

yeah just

yeah just wait

foreign

I'm actually surprised so many people

stayed I I like holy shit that was the

worst shit of my life all right continue

so we're talking about

I remember we're talking about uh

whether it can be said that small

commodity production uh prevails in

China

yes precisely in fact I believe you

yourself you're self-set on one of the

streams that uh the reason uh that the

economy of China is fundamentally

socialist is in fact because the uh

government worked against monopolies in

order to ensure that basically people

could engage in small productive

activity and small commodity Productions

yeah small Enterprises precisely oh but

it seems in fact it's precisely what's

stolen says directly in genders uh

capitalism in fact I believe the quote

uh directly

uh he says in fact he quotes Lenin

or but we have not yet torn off from his

work from 1928 of right right danger in

cpsu but we've not yet tore out the

roots of capitalism where are these

roots embedded they're embedded in

commodity production in small production

in the towns and especially the

countryside as London says the strength

of capitalism lies in small-scale

production for unfortunately small

production is still very very widespread

in the world in small production and

genders capitalism and the bourgeoisie

continuously daily hourly spontaneously

and on the mass scale

uh

and he continues

sense of small production there's such a

mouse and even predominant character in

our country and since it engenders

capitalism and abortion was he

continuously on a mass scale

particularly under the conditions of the

NEP we have in our country conditions

which make restoration of capitalism

possible okay so during the NEP

um you had the class of cool locks

of petty small producers who were in

participating in a fundamentally

anti-social uh form of production so the

land was pretty much owned by them

they sold the produce purely for the

sake of profit

and there was no you know industrial

system

that there was no socialist industrial

system because of that because of that

fact at the time

and

the form of production within the

countryside was fundamentally

anti-social

um even and it's even an abnormality

even by the standards of the the Russian

Empire and the tsarist empire

because there did not even exist you

know a large land holding landlord class

any longer

that could like more or less socialize

agricultural production to a higher

extent so we were dealing with an

extremely anti-social

an abnormal form of production there

which Lenin said would be the basis of

the restoration of capitalism in the

Soviet Union if nothing was done about

it

but my problem is that you're

generalizing

that form of small commodity production

with small Enterprises in general now

compared to the state-owned Enterprises

the cold causes were small Enterprises

so the the issue is in fact not small

Enterprises but something else what is

small commodity production which is the

production specifically for the for the

exchange of goods on a private scale

right or what that's production hold on

that's the that's the devils in in those

details because the cold causes were

engaged in commodity production and they

were engaged in the exchange of

commodities for exchange there was a

quota system of course but even the

quota system was predicated upon

exchange and then beyond the surpluses

beyond that were beyond the quota system

by the way the quota system

should only exist I hope you agree with

this in an extremely underdeveloped

state of a socialist system that's like

primitive accumulation a quota right

that's extremely backwards not backwards

necessarily but it's just very like

that's that's not a sign of a mature

socialist economy if you need quotas

well on the on the contrary I think the

quotas in fact are precisely the

expression of the most advanced form of

Socialism because it does away with the

obstruction of obstructions of profit

and over you know no it doesn't no it

doesn't it does no such thing because

it's precisely the quota system

which isn't that first of all

establishes an abstract Universal

measure of you need this exact amount

I mean even in China when they under Mao

you had the Dual this was the base of

the Dual price system so no it doesn't

do away with abstractions no it doesn't

do away of course but neither did I do

away without in the Soviet system either

there was also a system in fact of three

prices for agricultural Commodities

firstly the state mandated uh you know

minimum quota price secondly the

commercial prices which were fixed for

all output above and beyond the basic

production of the cold causes and in

fact there was the third price which was

the market price but even the market was

directly influenced by the Soviet state

through the setting up the commercial

price and through yeah and effects

okay okay hold on

so China China through its State Bank

manipulates prices in a similar way so

at what point is the difference

qualitative

and at what point is it just

quantitative in terms of scale so China

instead of intervening at the smallest

possible level of economic activity

intervenes at a level that is hot larger

in scale pretty much through the state

bank that's not the distinction I'm

making at all in fact I'm making the

distinction based upon the fact that the

basic you know relation of production

which is being criticized here by Stalin

you know the kulux who were uh you know

profiteering rural bourgeoisie

uh in fact that this is uh what is

contrary to socialism okay okay but

China doesn't have cool locks because

all the land in China is owned by the

government and the extent of small

Enterprises that do exist within China

which is it's pretty widespread small

Enterprises it's fundamentally

socialized it's still socially embedded

it is not the managerial relations are

not directly politicized or idealized

sorry ideologicized but they are

socialized that these Enterprises are

part of a very big sorry very um

vast regulatory system and are part of

an actual socialist system that

regulates

things like prices and it regulates the

um the uh the what would you call the um

ex what would be the The Avenues of

Exchange

so in the same way that in the Soviet

Union

uh the universal commodity form is

eliminated because the channels of

exchange are restricted in some kind of

way

the same thing exists in China but it's

just more advanced rather than just like

restricting where the agricultural

prices can be sold there's a more

fundamental restriction in terms of

trade policy and in terms of the Dual

um currency system

that regulates

like how Goods within China are

exchanged in a way that makes it so that

there's no Universal commodity form

whatsoever

okay well first I don't see how that's

comparable to the anti-social

um form of accumulation that the the

cool Ox were engaged in which had no

regard for any kind of national policy

no regard for any kind of national

industrial system no regard for any kind

of State uh planned policy these these

were purely

it won't felt in fact someone was also

commenting on small-scale commodity

production in the town right it's about

the NDP in general that he's commenting

he says Town and Country and uh secondly

um but the cold cold markets Stalin said

nothing to eliminate things like the

Coco's markets where produce was he said

we don't want this to um true but it's a

market for cold causes right for

Collective Farms so there was no

capitalist exploitation because the

ownership and production was socialized

no no here's your problem you're not

speaking in Marxist scientific terms

you're talking about managerial

relations you're not talking about

fundamental like objectively scientific

relations of production seriously about

the essence of profit the essence of

profit can only exist when in fact that

there is Surplus value from labor which

is being explained hold on hold on hold

on hold on hold on dude you're just

you're you're like mouthing off Marxist

platitudes without understanding

anything about them I understand what it

means no you don't you don't understand

what you thought no you don't

do dude chill chill shut the fuck up

you don't need to mouth off about these

basic Marxist platitudes that every

fucking 15 year old already knows let's

hold our horses dude you like it's a

dunning-kruger ideological fanaticism

here hold your fucking horses okay first

and foremost

you're talking about the question of

profit profit did exist in the Soviet

Union all profit means is more

um you're you're raking in more than you

put in that's all profit fundamentally

means actually no in fact the Soviet

textbook on political economy states

that there's makes a distinction between

the form of profit right and the essence

of profit which we discuss a lot and you

often do a very good job making the

distinction between appearance form and

Essence right okay so what do you mean

by that so why is it why okay why is

China

um why is it in China that you have the

form of profit that the cool Ox had and

what was different about the Soviet

Union's form of profit explain that

the cool locks the Soviet unions well of

course the Soviet Enterprise former

profit because wages were fixed by the

state and state Enterprises under Stalin

in fact the wages were socialized and

therefore did not correspond to the you

know rate of circle I'm talking about

okay so now you're going to say the rate

of surplus uh value extraction

why why would why would fixing the wages

hold on why would fixing the wages do

that

well because

nobody's like privately appropriating

the profits of the Enterprise right the

the pro they were called profits in the

Soviet Union in this textbook says what

does it mean to privately appropriate

the profits of an Enterprise

well the capitalist right who is running

who has has the can you explain what it

actually means

yes when the profits are appropriated

completely what does that mean what does

that mean

it means that he extracts the labor from

the workers through the form of taking

the form of profit the net income right

the form of a net income so you're

saying it's when it's when the owner

Pockets The Profit to do whatever they

want with exactly which but you can't do

that in China because how if you're part

of an Enterprise in China what you do

with your profit The Zone and and um

channels of exchange are fixed by the

government in a way that is socially

beneficial to the whole so you can't do

whatever you want with the fucking

profit even in China

true but not all of the Prophet surely

goes to the government otherwise there

would be no uh private not all of the

fucking profit goes to the government in

the Soviet Union either because they

have cold closes and the prophet goes to

the Coco's Farms it doesn't go to the

government a form of profit but it does

not have the essence of profit because

they're Collective Farms what does that

matter the hold on I could just say the

same thing about China what does it

matter

what does it matter what matters is in

fact that the basic relationship of

exploitation of Bourgeois appropriation

right still exists and is still

extracting a surplus for private gain

from social production gained by labor

right there's still the contradiction

can you like be more specific

uh about that because it seems like

you're doing the thing where you're

creating a theoretical Red Line you're

saying

um China doesn't concern my specific

ideological fixation and it has no

regard for like ideological

specification and I would like to make

clear that I'm not denying that there's

a dictatorship of the proletariation I

want you to please

do a specific analysis of the Chinese

economy don't just tell me that China

isn't isn't um fully nationalizing

everything which is by the way not what

socialism is tell me of course so tell

me give me a specific analysis of the

Chinese economy

a specifically in terms of like in terms

of like how it's capitalist like how

Surplus values extract like can you give

me a specific analysis of that I'm

already considering a specifically

capitalist I'm just saying that there's

not a comprehensively socialist economy

what does it mean for there to be so

you're saying style you're saying the

Soviet Union was more advanced as a

socialist country than China

in terms of the development of socialist

relations of production sure the

resolution why is that why is that

well because under Stalin and later on

pretty much every Enterprise in some way

even if it was you know

in in in in in the Enterprise there was

only two forms of property right there

was just State socialist property or

Collective property okay and because of

that there was there was also the The

Pride the um there was also Pro no there

was you're wrong there was personal

property and there's also the private

garden plot personal property but I'm

talking about India there was the

personal garden plots whose produce

could be exchanged on markets

yes but you yourself said that that the

uh you know an excellent analysis

actually when you discussed the truckers

you know the significance of the trucker

uh Freedom Convoy right you yourself

just said that the um

property of presence is not really in

essence you know private property but in

fact it's actually because it's just

personally owned just facilitates their

labor is actually you know compound

property and I think that's a good

analysis okay well I'm not exactly sure

if that's the case in the case of the

Soviet Union but regardless

um let me ask you a question you're

talking about relations of production

but can relations of production be

institutionally

um or politically uh created

um

pin laws create relations of production

no that's I need a moment to think about

that I mean I'm just badge like our

material our relations are production

material or are they voluntarily uh

established and material yes however the

material you know the social

there are fundamental economic laws

right that are just always you know in

existence because of the very nature of

you know human relations in general

right but the form of these

the form of the you know relations and

their essential content based upon

whether the dictatorship of the

proletariat is being exercised in the

economy can change because if

dictatorship of the proletaries exercise

comprehensively in every Factory in

every Farm then yeah the essence of

these relations can be changed but

really in a phenomenal way rather than a

purely based on a legal form right okay

how can the relate how does the

proletarian dictatorship establish

relations of production

well

bylaws yes however it's it's the because

material the instrumentally use

objective economic laws

for the first of you know instantiating

socialist relations of production

through political struggle through

economic struggle uh through the

struggle that continues in fact Stalin

says here uh in April in the state of a

proletarian dictatorship right

but you're not really being specific so

can you be specific

well for example the law of you know

commodity production in the Soviet Union

right it was utilized by the social

estate commodity the law of commodity

production uh in order to create you

know a socialized system of trade

turnover how were the real how did the

relation how do socialist relations and

production come into existence

I mean it really depends that's what

you're asking for a very specific answer

to a very

very general question how did they come

into existence in the Soviet Union

I'll be coming to existence the Soviet

Union

um

well through nationalization through the

rational exercise of economic power by

the Soviets uh so politically you're

saying so voluntarily and politically

they just change the relations of

production not voluntarily not

volunteerism it's it's not that the

Soviet state was trying to change basic

economic laws but rather use them

instrumentally to create a social system

that's squeezed out using these

objective forces right the ability for

you know

um capitalist exploitation to continue

right by establishing for example

um cheap you know goods from the

collective Farms that would easily you

know all compete the prices of the kulak

farmers and and by providing lower

middle peasants a better option at the

collective Farms then so you're just

wrong about all of this to be completely

honest

socialist relations of production first

and foremost just like capitalist

relations of production

found their bases in small Petty

production in the countryside the small

relations of organic Civil Society

that is where the mode of production

um can be transferred is is undergoing

change right so it's not because of

Institutions it's not because of laws

that's where it is when the Soviets

engaged in their land reform

where they basically

um redis they redistributed land but

also allowed for the organic form of

communal land ownership that had existed

among the Russian peasantry actually for

a long time predating the stolipin

reforms

that provided the solid foundation and

bassist for a socialistic civil society

and for relations of production that

were in fact socialist

um upon doing this

the specific merger

of industrial political power

combined with the specific interaction

in relationship with the cold closes

that specific

channel of exchange that was established

that is what established socialistic

relations of production so on the one

hand you have organic civil society

which is people in the countryside who

are obeying the mores and laws that are

material not established by an

institution by and by Fiat and on the

other hand you have a centralized

industrial

industrially motivated uh party

dictatorship

which wants to plan the economy so the

unity of these two things is it's it's

from this Unity that relations of

production emerge that are socialistic

oh one second I'm just going to quickly

find the quote here oh

um

um okay you know what I don't want you

to find the quote because quotes are no

don't quote anything

or because it's only going to be

relevant if I question him like oh did

was that a real quote and then you can

be like yeah look if I question your

quote you can bring up the quote tell me

I remember in essence what it said if if

you'll permit that yeah so just simplify

what the point is yeah we're both

reasons well stellen basically you know

said it in essence that's that's you

know you couldn't just develop

that in order to continue socialist

construction after the NEP said this in

his 1928 work that's you know the the

towns couldn't just be you know large

scale industry couldn't just be

developed slowly in the towns and then

the country's not expected to follow

along but in fact the party had to take

an active role in the development of

collective Agriculture and in the

general right but that was that was the

class struggle within the countryside

following the Soviet land reform because

there is there was a tension there was a

tension between the collective form of

land ownership

and the anti-social form

and there was a fierce class struggle at

that level among the peasantry

collectivization

was not didn't simply pit the party

Against The Peasants there was a fierce

level of violence

Among The Peasants themselves even even

before collectivization by the way so

that was a class struggle raging in the

countryside which the party wants to

take an active role in not by voluntary

voluntarily introducing relations the

party finds favorable but by taking the

side of what they consider the

proletarian or the middle peasants

that was pushed by the party like this

was just a phenomenon that just happened

itself

the collective form sorry the collective

Farm was both was a combination of the

organic form of Russian agricultural

relations

that predated the stolipin reforms

and on an Institutional level there was

a level of kind of

um promotion that this was like a you

know a more socialistic form of

ownership but so it was a combination of

those two things but yes it did have its

basis actually among it wasn't like an

alien

thing that was imposed on it but it was

it was something that you know there was

an actual active political will to

establish I mean there's innumerable

times when stolen expresses you know the

need to you know take an active role and

take in in the direction of the economy

in order to establish these relations

you know even you know collectorization

the reason there had to be an active

role in collectivization was because you

had the tractor program

where the state had to provide tractors

to the collective farms and establish

tractor stations but why because these

you know tractors aren't just going to

suddenly appear on kulak forms on their

own you know based on that but the

collective Farms the collective Farms

had their bases in The Peasants the

Soviets took an active role in helping

Define like

where a farm begins and ends and as well

as you know

um

yeah promoting collectivization but it's

like it wasn't all based in that

well of course that would be political

volunteerism but that's not what I but

remember that's not what I said so okay

Moving On Moving On Moving on though

okay so

we end up in the Soviet Union

with a socialist commodity form that is

defined by

one um relation of Exchange

a Channel of Exchange

that is established between the Soviet

state

and equal causes

and this

um

makes it so that the commodity is not a

universally commensurate commodity that

can just be exchanged with anything

it's the the channel of its exchange is

restricted

to serve the social ends of the Soviet

state now I want to explain this to you

because not a lot of people know this

that was not because of ideology

that was because the Soviet state had a

target of industrialization

which it had to pursue in a very rapid

amount of time right in 10 years where

they're going to bury us is what Stalin

said

so the reason the channel of exchange

was restricted in that specific way was

because the needs for the

industrialization of the state were

dependent on surpluses of agricultural

production which had to be Consolidated

in a manner that is a form of primitive

accumulation it mirrors the form of

predom of accumulation that pre-exists

the modern capitalist relations

um that would that had to be established

in order for this Baseline level of

industrialization to occur but then the

question of a socialist civil society

and socialist relations of production

those were never given the breathing

room to actually develop you were still

stuck in this state of primitive

accumulation

the question of actual organic and

material relations of production

which established themselves at the

level of civil society and not simply

politically never in the history of the

Soviet Union were those allowed to

develop to their fullest extent under

Stalin

the cold Coast markets

and the guard the private garden plots

which could be sold on markets was

probably the beginning of that of

something like that

but that was never actually allowed to

give in any breathing room and that was

put an end to by Khrushchev he

eliminated all those things

opposition between an organized economy

and socialist relations of production uh

in fact I'm saying in fact my argument

really is that uh the you know socialism

is not defined by anything we're not

talking about an organized economy we're

talking about an economy where all

aspects of production are controlled

like every aspect of production is the

basis upon which I say that that the

economy is not you know is is is not

completely socialist I'm saying that on

the basis that there's still capitalist

you know uh exploitation and

accumulation of course whether the

relationships how can you meaningfully

say there's capitalist exploitation in

China

well because they're capitalists uh who

you know overwhelmingly control the you

know means of production

okay okay now my question for you is how

do they control it

foreign

hats they're able to appropriate some of

some of the Surplus you know that which

is not socialized for the Chinese State

what do they do with that surface so

what are they what do they do with that

Surplus what are they allowed to do with

the Surplus can they just like

you know do whatever they want with it

or what what do they do with it well I

mean presumably they can use their

Surplus you know first of all you're

dealing with you're first of all dealing

with like these vast

Enterprises

uh which the capitalists in America

can't do whatever he wants with his with

his Circle you're right you're right

which is why I think the capitalist mode

of production has broken down on a

global level

but it's still a contradiction between

socialized production uh even here under

capitalism and the private no there is

the public sector versus the private

sector that's not a contradiction at all

um no I mean the contradiction between

the you know highly developed you know

intertwining of the state and the

capitalists uh you know and the fact

that they you know run monopolies and

have a financial system the financial

system is yeah it's at the level of um

the the network of banks so the city of

London Wall Street yeah

yeah but that's that seems to be more

and more a super structural phenomena

rather than like something

put it this way

Petty capitalist production is done

worldwide it's over

Petty production has taken on a social

law inherently socialized nature around

the world so the basis of capitalism is

gone even though capitalism in a sense

still exists because of

the product like historical product of

that petty production

the conclusion which is financial

Monopoly

um that still exists the financial

monopolies but at the root level the

mode of production has changed

from

I mean the remote of production it's

London said that imperialism was

essentially a development of the

existing capitalist you know relations

of production uh an inherent capitalist

you know contradictions the

contradiction between the socialized

character production and the private

accumulation uh has developed you know a

more

uh I guess comprehensive form now right

but my problem with the word private

accumulation

is that um

private when you're talking about

capitalism

when when one uses the word private

accumulation the point is that the

private accumulation

is part of a mode of production so

you're not talking about greedy people

just hoarding money and putting it in

their basement to like and buying yachts

and expensive things with that's a very

small percentage of of um the

accumulation

most the accumulation exists for the

sake of more accumulation so it's MCM

more money that's all that that is what

drives the economy just more money right

but when you have countries like China

whose economy is driven by State Credit

not profit so the opposite of profit

basically infrastructure that is made

uh like built with debt basically

and which is State driven from a State

Bank not a central bank but a State Bank

of course but that you know so so some

I'm out of the control over production

but the basic you know primitive method

of capitalist appropriation is still

existing but I think I think your

problem is a cultural problem and it was

addressed during the cultural revolution

how does the factory for example who

decides when people have toilet breaks

who decides you know what the factory

looks like aesthetically who decides you

know

um uh the the the the amount of hours

you know all those kinds of managerial

decisions yeah yeah but that's the

greatest huh that's the greatest tragedy

of dang XO pay his reforms in fact the

depths of his revisionism he prevented

he he did away with the maoist methods

of criticism of self-criticism no no

that was emerged those were those were

fundamentally incompatible see let me

tell you the basic contradiction right

that then he exposed you

so on the one hand you have the need to

be politically correct and and

ideologically pure there's two problems

with that at the workplace level one

how can you make the idealist assumption

that the thing that you think is

ideologically pure also happens to be

the most productive and efficient as far

as efficient methods of production that

seems to be more of a pragmatic and

Technical question not a question of

ideology second of all even if one

grants this ideological Purity what is

the positive content of revolutionary

ideological Purity what is its actual

positive content during the cultural

revolution it was a negative content it

was about negating things and

overthrowing things but in the positive

sense what do those get replaced by what

is what is the actual substantive

content of that

and there there is none right

well I think the substantive content of

a socialist Revolution is simply you

know the Deep Sentiments of the working

people of the peasantry of the of the

proletariat the culture so everything so

do you think the Deep sentiments hold on

do you think the Deep Sentiments of the

Chinese people were given better

expression

during the late stages of the cultural

revolution where they're they're

um negative sentiment was given a

platform the things they wanted to

destroy and tear down was given a

platform but in terms of their tastes in

terms of the things they enjoyed in

terms of the things they want to consume

and the things they choose to um spend

their money on right yeah but consumers

isn't it in a market economy that they

have that their sentiments can get be

given better expression

well I don't know I mean in a market

economy you know in which this cop in

which there's still capitalists existing

who who concentrate an overwhelming

amount of purchasing power in their

hands of course you know the the needs

and the wants of the people will be

given better expression in the socialist

economy but hold on these socialist

parties I think I think the the tragedy

is that the positive content of the

cultural revolution was Deng xiaoping's

reforms that was what the positive

conflict was the negative content was

the destruction of soviet-style central

planning the whole thing about

destroying the bureaucracy and the party

bosses that was a full-on frontal

assault on the vestiges of Soviets

Soviet socialism basically in China and

then once that was cleared out all

deng's reforms meant was okay now we're

gonna have Chinese socialism because we

destroyed the Soviet one with the

cultural revolution and now we can have

the Chinese one

itself I mean the organization firstly

of the uh the communes in China the

method of Grassroots industrialization

differently the thing is there's there

was a specific line of development of

Chinese socialism so it began with a

replica of the Soviet system and then it

Mao's contribution with the Great Leap

Forward was that it said okay we're

gonna decentralize even more we're going

to have the people's communes which are

going to be a decentralized versions of

a Soviet Socialist system basically at a

regional level so instead of having one

State Central planned economy you're

gonna have multiple centrally planned

economies at a regional level and these

were the people's communes so this and

then this is what made China more of a

market economy from the very example I

agree you understand the reason is

because at that point you were dealing

with the relationship of exchange

between people's communes between the

people's communions and the central

government and then that started to

manifest itself internally this was all

before Zhang Xiaoping

with

um organic commune markets that were

emerging within the people's communes

where people's extra proceeds of

production started to be used it started

to be so the the extent of exchange

within China was Unleashed because in

the Soviet Union it was between the

state and it was between the coal causes

and that's it whereas in China you have

more of a multi-dimensional channeled

and range of exchange which remains

socialistic it doesn't remain abstractly

Universal it Still Remains tied to the

developmental goals of the state but it

just um increases in its dynamism and

its multi-dimensionality and all I think

there's just this level of continuity

with deng's reforms where he didn't

dismantle the people's communes he

elevated The Logical conclusion of the

people's communes at the lowest level

right because the people's communes gave

rise to what the village teams

and the village the the

um the village teams which are like

these Village level units of the

communes right

and then from the village teams the

individuality of the Chinese family

this was a this was the conclusion of

the people's communes development

because the people's communes you have

to understand there was a line from the

greatly forward and onward of

decentralization first you had the

people's communes then the people's

communes started to decentralize and

delegate economic functions to lower and

lower levels

the same as the case with cruise ships

1965 economic reform

centralization it's a management

question it's not fundamentally a mode

of production question well because

again's reforms were different

um

because they

gave I think they gave more flexibility

to the managers

not they didn't yeah but the thing is

the tendency was not decentralization

toward the Soviet

citizen it was just something within the

bureaucracy that was happening but you

have to understand in China

you're dealing with the very emergence

of of uh quote unquote bureaucracy

um not necessarily like you know the

delegation of rules to lower level

bureaucrats no it was the kind of the

opposite

new bureaucrats were emerging at lower

and lower levels of production based on

the delegation of tasks because the

Chinese were like basically pragmatic

they were like okay why don't we

um instead of planning this at the top

level let's decentralize it and then we

get more and more abstract in terms of

our planning like okay I agree it's it's

it's that is that is like the the logic

is basically like it doesn't matter what

color the cat is as long as it catches

mice so it's a side it's a

yeah but you have to understand the

cybernetic logic there because you're

dealing with one variable goal which for

the Chinese was I think it was like the

maximization of um

of uh Industrial Development and they

measured that through in in terms of um

profit basically right yeah I I

understand the cybernetic implications

so so basically they they basically

allowed for these organic feedback

mechanisms to be Unleashed while

maintaining that singular variable and

all that happened with Chinese market

socialism was they they maintained that

variable they changed it to GDP growth

well they didn't change it but they

purified it into something like GDP

growth or other forms of local forms of

measurement of Economic Development

which these regions still to this day

compete for and and strive for and they

they allowed for a flexibility with

which those goals would be met but the

economy is still based on the

Fulfillment of these socialized and

centrally planned goals

well I agree that the you know top level

management you know if you look at if

you look at the whole economy from a

cybernetic perspective the top level

management of course is in the hands of

the party you know in the hands of

dictatorship of the proletariat I never

once denied that China does not have at

some level dictatorship of the

proletariat but dictatorship of the

proletariat is a comprehensive socialist

phenomenon has to extend every Factory

every shop you know every every peasant

village in every town uh and this can't

simply be I think that's just um that I

think that's just uh

that would just be ID that's just what

the cultural revolution tried to do

but the problem with the cultural

revolution is the problem of what is the

positive content of that how do you know

what is more socialist or less socialist

well I mean the positive content you

know you know I'm not going to pretend

to know the positive content of a

Chinese of Chinese because the problem

is like when you try to centrally

mandate every facet of Life on like a

political or ideological not advocated

that once but you said the proletari

dictatorship needs to extend to every

level of life right

well yes but that can also be done from

a lower level you know direct worker

participation election of you know

management yeah I think that's just

that's a different method of

establishing some kind of bureaucratic

control of life whether it's through

workers elections or whether it's

through centrally planned appointees but

the outcome is the same instead of

allowing for material reality to give

expression

to um you know the content of the

economy and the socialist economy you

basically in a top-down way which I

think is idealistic and voluntaristic

try to preempt the material expression

of life through some kind of

bureaucratic decision right you come to

a collective decision and say I mean

like like put it this way put it this

way right if you took on a level of

consumerism I know this is a crude

example if you took a town and you said

okay what kind of potato chips are we

gonna produce and everyone got together

and they all voted on it right

that that that is inherent and they

voted on it on the basis of like what is

more socially like what is more

necessary from the perspective of like

some kind of ideological social truth

like like okay we need these potato

chips because they signify the meaning

of socialism better so that's why we're

gonna eat them

but what is not going to be addressed is

like okay what do people actually like

though forget about the question of like

what is more ideologically perfect and

what is more ideologically correct what

do people actually prefer in terms like

what are they like right because when

people eat it's when people eat it's a

private Affair no one's looking and it's

just you and your potato chips and

you're eating but when you when you

decide these things at a top down even

though even if you're electing the um

the people it's still top down because

you're coming to a collective decision

and then you're imposing that collective

decision on everyone from the top down

the problem is that that suffocates the

ability for

um material reality to be given any

expression

I mean on the contrary if the goal of a

social estate is to facilitate the

maximum you know fulfillment of the

cultural and the material needs of the

people then of course there's some level

of you know rationalization and improved

management you know potential that

should you know be instantiated some

degree in socialism I mean it's not

gonna the the the the so-called top-down

decision making you know that's not the

the issue I mean top-down decision

making exists in capitalism except

there's no voting on it it's just the

capitalists who designed this and the

material reality give an expression to

is just you know some kind of

obstruction social obstruction of the

market you know which I I think I think

though it's not really the case I think

we're not dealing with capitalism

anymore with the emergence of these

cybernetic consumer economies in the

west which is what most people associate

with capitalism they think of all

Coca-Cola and blue jeans and all that

kind of stuff but I think that's already

a kind of post-capitalist cybernetic

um did like information based economy

where the it's not um come on it's not

you know profits are not in material

reality

important of these things right

yeah

not in command of these things but

there's still the capitalist myth of

appropriation which is the most

fundamental yeah but but that

appropriation is happening at a level of

scale which is just unfathomably

abstract almost like it's like it's it's

almost like there's a capitalist

Communist party which is based in the

city of London Wall Street and it's just

like a handful of Banks and this is what

this is the end point of the mode of

production which is the

appropriation of profit at this level at

the derivative level right which is the

biggest Market within within capitalism

today and then socialization yeah and

then the use of this profit

to um you know create the basis for uh

credit-based investment by these hedge

funds and Banks which determine and

drive the it's almost like we have a

capitalist we have a socialist planned

economy where capitalists are in charge

yeah but that's that's precisely my

point the fact that the that the people

that doesn't exist

yeah but but the fact that that but but

you still acknowledge that in the west

we're living in a capitalist system some

kind of some imperialists some Monopoly

capitalist system uh yeah on an

Institutional level yeah yeah but the

fact that the fact that profits are

institutionally socialized and the fact

that profits are you know uh you know

completely just socialized in production

of socialized does not eliminate the

essence of capitalist exploitation but

rather intensifies it because all these

Elites are just purchasing a piece of

the big I think that's just um

that's just a matter of dialectics

obviously when something uh like is in

the process of being overwhelmed by its

opposite then it in its nature

intensifies

but that's like kind of the the

paradoxical logic of acceleration right

the intensification of capitalism means

the development of socialism

yeah I mean to an extent I would agree

with that and in fact that's my point

we're in a state of transition to

socialism and I would say the essence of

the current state of the Chinese economy

is one of the transition to socialism

just like the NEP was I think but my

problem with that is that

the problem is that China is obviously

socialist on an Institutional level you

have this state or Enterprises dominate

the economy still so there's that and

there's also the fact that the nature of

China's mode of production is socialized

then the remaining factor has to do with

China's embeddedness in the in the

global economy and you know the fact

that China

being part of the the global economy is

like intertwined in many ways with the

capitalist institutions of Wall Street

in the city of London but I think

China's relationship tour I think China

has outwitted capitalism right it's it's

established a dual circulation system

where

its foreign trade is somehow filtered

out and and to a minor to some extent

separated from the domestic economy

um and in a really brilliant dialectical

Way by participating in the global

capitalist Market

China has

out maneuvered the global capitalist

market like by the very same device of

exchange like put it this way trading

with China

and

uh let me put it this way right when the

2008 financial crisis hit and

you know the the capitalist World

collapsed

right and had to be bailed out the

engine of economic growth

came from China

so China having established these trade

relations with the capitalist World

everyone thought that means China okay

China is going to be capitalists now and

then you know that it's going to have a

democracy and it's going to be a

capitalist country

but the thing that actually happened is

that capitalism

institutionally collapsed in 2008 and

then the vital source of economic growth

was driven by China's socialistic

economy so that means even the growth we

have in capitalist countries now

has some basis in the Chinese style

um form of development which relates

like put it this way right because

socialism is a higher form of uh emotive

production than capitalism

capitalism cannot domesticate or

internalize the logic of socialist

production it can only relate to

socialism as some kind of lovecraftian

um

old one right some kind of outer being

that is exerting influence and is

driving the capitalist economy but the

capitalist economy has no way of making

that socialist mode of production

cognizable to itself so in this that's

why there's a lot of fear mongering

about China because China is this kind

of lovecraftian Alien Force which is

changing us

an exerting influence on us in ways that

are un fundamentally uncognizable to us

us within our limited capitalist

Consciousness and our capitalist economy

so I think yeah yeah no I don't I don't

disagree with the fact that the Chinese

Communist party has uh outsmarted you

know uh you know the worst in that sense

uh you know however it does not it still

that still doesn't mean that it's that

it's not uh they're not still in a stage

of transition to socialism and have not

already but don't you think socialism is

always in a stage of transition because

like you're not really Stylistics the

Bourgeois classes is is is eliminated

you know in all facts of life and and

the problem I think the bourgeoisie no

expectation I think bourgeoisie within

China uh I would argue does not exist as

a sociological uh group I think there's

a new class which is what they call it

the new class but the bourgeoisie is not

just people who are rich and have a lot

of money

and own you know have of course but yeah

but the fact but the but the fact is

that there's still you know the essence

of exploitation in many areas of the

Chinese Society well what what do you

mean by exploitation

well the the uh private appropriation of

the social labor of the of the

proletariat through the form of profit

some of it yeah you're not necessarily

dealing with private appropriation

because private appreciation again it's

anti-social appropriation it's

appropriation

for the sake of more money right

the contradiction you're dealing with in

China or in a socialist country would be

there's a social form of production

but the output of that production how is

that going to be socialized there's not

a one-to-one relationship between the

social form of production and the way in

which the output of that production is

distributed or organized

so that is just an inherent dialectical

Paradox there's no way to bridge the gap

between the social form of production

and the method by which that there's

always going to be a discontinuity

between those two things because the

question of

how production is social

is not simply a question for Central

planners or ideologists

are going to agree if if all the private

businesses in China were run by workers

cooperatives or you know elected

management or whatever and there was no

private appropriation of the Surplus

value of the workers if it was all just

socialized either so so what what does

that mean does that because just to be

clear

that would mean that all of the profits

of these Enterprises would go where

well somehow to some social use that is

not you know going to the you know

private use of of making you know some

capitalists making money right

but those things but the when the

capitalist quote-unquote the capitalist

makes money as far as the proletarian

dictatorship is concerned that is

putting it to social use because they're

using that money to expand the forces of

production

if they weren't using the money if they

weren't if they were using the money in

a wasteful way or in an economically

irrational or unbeneficial way

I have no doubt the government would

crack down on that form of economic

activity and and eliminate it but how is

it then that the CP that the CPC is able

to advertise so much about you know all

the private business investment

opportunities because private

Investments

private because businesses

in China represent the units of

socialistic Civil Society businesses are

what they sound like it's a business

it's a way in which economic activity is

facilitated

if you use the if you use the word in

that way then it means the exact same as

a Soviet Enterprise right I think I

think in terms of the relations of

production they're not necessarily that

different managerially they're very

different institutionally they're very

different but at the level of like just

being a business which means the

facilitation of economic activity that's

what it is that's what it means in China

too a business in China

uh is a

it's a category of socialist law right

it's not like yo it's not like it's not

seek look the point about capitalism

isn't defined by businesses it's divided

by the money making business and money

making for the sake of money making and

nothing more whereas in China

Surplus from the workers that they did

not actually work for production so so

the discontinuity between individual

producers

individual laborers I should say and and

surplus value will always exist because

Surplus value is something social

and it is that's precisely the

contradiction of capitalism right the

social but but what you're trying to say

is something like okay the workers

are responsible for the production of

the workers caused

this Surplus value right laborers create

certain labor create Surplus value right

sure so you're basically saying since

since that's true

um

we need to take that Surplus value

and give it back to the laborers on a

unit by unit basis somehow I just don't

think that makes sense yeah either

either on in as Linens or as Mark said

on the basis of the quality and quality

of their labor or to some extent if

you're really in a communist Society you

know on the basis of social decisions on

the basis as Marx once put it of course

the problem with the problem if you see

the discontinuity though labor social

sociality is not the sum total of

individuals sociality the socious it's a

substance right Mark thought of it as a

substance it's a living organism it's a

substance there is no way to bridge the

gap between individual activity and the

way in which that activity is being

assimilated by the social substance

there's there's a fundamental

contradiction here that cannot be

bridged and anyway even if you have

workers management or whatever you're

not going to resolve that problem what

the hell happened of course once again

I'm not I'm not saying that I know the

positive content of socialism so

um you do know the negative content of

socialism and the negative quantitative

socialism is that there should be no

none of these capitalist contradictions

were there some people who are using

Capital as an instrument of exploitation

of the workers and gaining a personal

profit from something that they you know

just by owning a business or something I

think I think we're missing you're

missing the aspect of mode of production

you're only focusing on a moment of

production which is the appropriation of

uh yes but if this exists on a

widespread Mass scale in like 40 percent

of you know okay but but hold on but

what is production for them you're

saying okay the funds are not allocated

in essentially directly centrally

planned way there's room there's

decentralization in China

where you have businesses that allocate

they allocate Capital you know in ways

that

um in a market economy there isn't a

quite there is an equivalency between

the you know distribution of you know

Financial you know income and the

distribution of the final product right

because you know that's just the nature

of the of exchange right if you

appropriate you know the money the

middle term of exchange then you

necessarily appropriate the you know

labor value exchange value

equivalent labor value is always going

to be appropriated in a way that is

discontinuous from the laborers of

course exactly but the question but if

it's a capitalist using Capital well

here's the thing when capitalists do it

it's part of a system in which

that appropriation is used

to that is the end goal of production is

the Surplus value in capitalism the end

goal of production is Surplus value okay

because it's not the basis on which the

private businessmen in China are

operating no especially no no because no

because no it's not it's not okay

because in China

profit is a measure it's a it's a form

of information is your business

efficient or is it not efficient in

terms of the allocation that's just

that's just that's just net income

that's just the form like okay exactly

it's just the form right yeah but but

it's still so so when you when you are

efficient in China which means you're

profitable you are going to expand your

Enterprise but the question of whether

the the entire economy is going to be uh

um assimilated into the purpose of

profits in command for accumulation all

you have to realize is that China has

this elaborate system at scale where if

your Enterprise becomes so successful

right the more successful you are in

China the more you're controlled by the

party everyone knows that the more

you're integrated into this form of

central planning and you're recognized

as a fundamental pillar of the economy

like that there's a social that the more

you're successful in China the more you

have a social obligation

that's why small production was the

problem no no not the same in the NEP

not the same in the NEP because because

in the NEP the foundation of peasant

production was not premised by the

socialist economy it wasn't like for

example there was a national industrial

system in place of a state bank and it's

like form of developmentalism where the

entire economy is Unified into one unit

you didn't have these nationalization of

all land Cru locks were not the only

ones who were given you know the ability

to operate private Enterprises on their

own right it was also large you know

small businesses in the town as well

right like and London specifically said

that in fact that the fact of the state

of Soviet state controlled the uh you

know overall majority of large

Enterprises and this precisely promised

uh is it was precisely through the

premising of the small scale production

based upon its material necessity see

the problem hold on the problem is that

small-scale production poses the

political problem of creating

independent institutions which can then

challenge the proletarian dictatorship

because of money money is a universal

equivalent China does not have that

problem because when small businesses

grow into large ones first of all

in China you're beginning with

a people fundamentally tied to the state

because of the land reforms that's the

premise so the new class are at the

outset loyal to the proletarian

dictatorship because they're

institutionally wedded to the state but

then second of all the bigger you become

in China the more pressure is on you

in terms of

um you know

your the extent to which you're

controlled by the party dictatorship

okay so you have private businessmen in

China right who are loyal to the to the

party because yes their production is

premised by Decisions by the party yes

and not only Decisions by the party

but all that would have to happen though

because we're talking about you know

smaller businesses and not the huge

National Enterprises here

you know they have a direct interest in

getting rid of the same way the middle

capitalists in our country have an

interest in getting rid of the you know

big Bank you know imperialist system

which is which is extracting a large

number no you no you're wrong because

the small businesses in China no they

don't have that anti-social stance

toward the party and toward the the

Chinese State because it's the Chinese

state

which is promoting these small

businesses and giving them a shot and

giving them the opportunity in the first

place so they're indebted in a way and

grateful to the party to have the

opportunity to like even get off the

ground in the first place because the

party is very pro-business it's it's not

like here in this country where small

businesses there's such a huge tax

burden on them and there's all this red

tape that prevents them from getting off

the ground on the contrary in China the

party dictatorship provides all the

means for the average Chinese person to

start a business and get off the ground

yeah but once again that's exactly the

policy that's Stalin criticized in fact

no it's not because the Soviet state

did not institutionally premise the

means by which businesses would emerge

the kulox form of petty anti-social

production was merely tolerated by the

Soviet state it was not something

created by the Soviet state

I mean the fact that the Soviet the fact

that the state premises how private

businesses are established and who gets

to you know engage in the exploitation

doesn't change the nature of the system

and make it you know I I don't I think

the word I think you're using the word

exploitation in a morally charged way

and I'm kind of confused about how it is

it is kind of well of course of course

there's some you know of course immoral

to just yeah I'm a Christian of course

you know it's a more it's it's just I'll

be honest with a Roman Catholic and in

fact yes one of there's some a level of

morality for it because yeah but I don't

think I don't think people are exploited

um I don't think they can be exploited

in that sense because Chinese people

almost all of them own plots of land in

the countryside

even if they're migrant workers and they

can always go back to their land and

always have some means of Getting By and

making a living

and they're it's not like there's wage

slavery where

you are a slave to your employer you can

quit your job and go back and just Farm

your land and you will have land you'll

have a means of subsistence a baseline

means of subsistence that is your own

uh and that is the basis of the People's

Republic of China is a socialist State

and then addition in addition though

even though so the nature of Agriculture

is changing in China and now they're

changing it to people they're promoting

home ownership so you can own these

units these apartment units you have

access to all these amenities and these

means of production right

so that you have a level of Freedom

you're not going to be stuck you know

you're not going to be homeless and on

the street if you get fired from your

job for example you're going to have a

means by which you can

make a living

um even when you're out of work

yeah we could could not the same be said

about just you know capitalist welfare

systems absolutely not no welfare

welfare and capitalism

um You Don't Own anything so you are you

there's a relationship of dependence

first and foremost okay but do all

Chinese proletariats you know working in

private businesses own land to provide a

means of subsistence almost all of them

yeah I would say so

some of okay so there's still some uh

who on this basis even you know even if

I don't go on to you know refute this

point that are still being you know in

in a wage slavery position at least

foreign

because there's there's a they call it's

a it's a social safety net they have in

China that is based on geography it's

called it's also called the huko system

so if you're if you live in the urban

areas

you have a your own specific form of

Soul safety if you're whoco is in the

urban areas if it's in the rural areas

you have your own plot of land that's

based on your family that you're

entitled to which you can live off of

I don't know I don't know I mean you

said recently that's you know that

supposedly we as Communists should be

wanting to liberate Market forces in our

country or something to this effect am I

am I not you know yeah it seems very it

seems to contradict on a very basic

level you know the the entire idea of us

you know needing to

socialized production and and these kind

of uh the end the the whole position of

the middle capitalists in fact it seems

a bit contradictory to say that the

whole benefit of these the whole reason

why the Chinese system is socialist is

because of such intense control exercise

financially over in the over the

capitalist you know and then China China

is a Libertarian stalinist country where

you have a very free market on the low

level and then at the very high level

you have an intense level of um social

control and that's what I'm talking

about

I mean yeah but that's that's the policy

stolen criticize he said no he didn't

you know he did not criticize that

Trump can say he's quoting from him

frimkin says we must not have hamper

production on the kulak forms what does

this mean it means not preventing cool

acts right off the bat I'm gonna cut you

off right off the bat

the cool locks

are not the same thing as

the cool locks are a very specific

social formation so you can't say oh

Stalin was against this and then

quote Stalin saying something about cool

locks it's just not relevant

okay but I'm gonna go on because it's

not you know he says it means no I want

you to sum the point up I want you to

some

the point up without having to resort to

the fact that they're cool locks sum the

point up okay

it means not allowing free range of

capitalism of the countryside allowing

at Freedom Liberty we get the old slow

slogan of the French liberals let's say

fair let's say passe that is do not

prevent the bourgeoisie from doing its

business do not prevent the bourgeoisie

from moving freely the slogan was put

forward by the old French liberals at

the time of the French Bourgeois

Revolution oh my God the time against

the struggle against the feudal regime

which was federing the bourgeoisie not

alone please please just get to the

fucking point sum it up in your own

fucking words dude sum it up in your own

fucking words all right well please calm

down the fundamental Point here is that

libertarian a Libertarian outlook on the

economy no it's not because Stalin was

talking about the kulaks in the Russian

Countryside who were hampering

Industrial Development so he was not in

principle against the unleashing of

Market forces he was against people who

were using liberal ideology to go

against the necessary pragmatism of

unleashing the productive forces it

wasn't that he was saying I'm against in

principle people uh you know increasing

economic Liberties he said I'm against

this being done only because of the

Sacred principles of liberalism which we

obviously do not observe so you there is

no I mean you read the entire thing but

the initial thing that I say stands you

cannot use that quote to talk about

today's China the contexts are entirely

different there's no kulak class in

China the kulaks were a fundamentally

asocial anti-social formation you don't

have those in China the entire criticism

of the cruel X and the problem that they

posed in society was the problem the

cool rocks posed for society was that

they hoarded their fucking grain and

money and they were not conducive to the

development of Soviet industry and the

productive forces at the end of the day

this is what the criticism of the kulox

was Trotsky may have said something

along the lines of oh the problem is

that it's not revolutionary enough

Stalin didn't give a fuck about that

Stalin's problem was pragmatic the

kulocs are hampering National Industrial

Development

indeed but he also says it means not

preventing the collection developing the

exploding economy the fundamental

problem he had was that the economy that

they created was of the rural

bourgeoisie was exploiting that by their

ability to you know as the Liberals say

laissez-faire you know do as they would

in economic affairs with no State

oversight uh you know with no so you're

basically talking about the creation of

a fifth column with no inherent loyalty

to the proletarian dictatorship huh I

wonder why Stalin would be against the

formation of a shadow civil society that

is basically going to give rise to a new

superstructure that would overthrow the

proletarian dictatorship I wonder why

Stalin would have a problem with that

indeed and I wonder why you know this

but you don't have that in China because

the socialist economic civil society

that has emerged in China is

fundamentally premised and therefore

loyal to the proletarian dictatorship it

is premised by the national industrial

System created under Mao without that

system there is no market economy that

is the Bedrock and foundation of the

whole thing

that didn't exist in the Soviet Union

dictatorship and also allow them to

obstruct a greater Surplus than the

restrictions imposed for the party you

yourself said that the system is

socialist because

work of State restricts the private

appropriation of the Surplus from the

workers for private gain for private

uses no I said it's socialist

because the mode of production

is not based on profit it's literally

that simple it's not based on the value

it's not based on the value form the

mode of production is not driven by the

value form simple as that there's no so

it's just there's no market prices you

know commodity prices dudes dude dude

dude

markets prices are the middle term

they're the middle element they're not

the ends of production they are

assimilated like

just because listen capitalism will not

be overthrown by being by just replacing

it with primitive accumulation

capitalism gets overthrown when it's

subsumed by a more fundamental mode of

production when the things that you

think are unique to capitalism actually

serve the ends of a greater mode of

production of a greater form of

production as as we both seem to have

agreed upon uh even in this planned

economy of the Soviet Union a great

stimulator for the you know uh

productivity of the Enterprise which was

entirely social entirely you know there

was no private accumulation it's all you

know social social socially decided

wages no you're wrong you're wrong there

was a lot of fucking black markets there

was a lot of corruption at the fucking

Enterprise level the the production was

not efficient the production production

in the Soviet Union

it worked in terms of a very Baseline

level of industrialization electricity

Plumbing steel housing they did

especially steel great job okay making

tanks and shit fine but beyond that it

was irrational it was a disaster it was

chaotic like there was no way to

coordinate I mean you had production of

too much and too little and it was a

fucking disaster okay if we're talking

about the first five year plan yeah but

of course no I'm talking about I'm

talking about the Soviet Union

after the 1950s

Soviet Union after the 1950s was more

allocatively efficient as many you know

economic Studies have found especially

in the 80s and 90s then the Western

counterpart in the United States

basically I just don't believe that I

don't believe the Soviet Union was more

efficient in terms of the allocation of

resources allocation if you measure it

in terms of like you know how much you

know the the objects in this the

location of the objects and instruments

of Labor you know these socialized

allocations through contracts between

Enterprises through the you know uh

State control of of of trade turnover

between Enterprises uh it's simply

allowed for a much greater you know

Vision a much greater ability to

coordinate and the and like you said

this so there was an immense problem of

waste and an immense problem of

shortages

and an immense problem of not getting

The Sweet Spot of how much to produce

and why why because there was no price

system that was decentralized and that

actually reflected the economic laws of

production it was politically and

bureaucratically established which very

often entered into contradiction with

the real material underlying economic

laws yeah but if the but if the you know

state is basing itself you know if this

if the management apparatus of the state

is basing itself on Sovereign remember

the not all of the about 30 indicators

came down to the Enterprise so don't

don't say then if you're just gonna say

cybernetic principles then don't say

basically say okay do you think the

Soviet Union yeah there's a big fucking

disaster but then cock shots plan would

have saved it

okay well well you know if if Gorbachev

if Gorbachev you know let's just say

Gorbachev successfully decentral he just

got rid of the planned economy but

maintained the basic you know fact that

nobody was accumulating the profits you

know directly maintained the difference

you're you're talking about a cultural

managerial problem you want the

workplace to be run

uh democratically and you want the

Enterprise you want the board what I

want to yeah you do you know and so and

so instead of a fucking CEO who's

appointed you know to administrate the

company efficiently to decide to have

some kind of like executive power in

terms of deciding what to do with the

profits you want uh workers to

democratically decide what to do with it

instead

I mean no not democratically decide it's

not a decision so how so how how so what

do you want

what I want is that the is that there is

no you know not even what I want the

socialism is you know the Socialist

assist you know

what would make what makes the system

socialist even if they did decentralize

and introduce Market elements and

everything is the fact that there's some

kind of socially decided distribution of

all of the Surplus in society and no

capitalist classes okay so you want it

to be politically and bureaucratic you

wanted to be bureaucratically decided no

it could be decided by markets it could

be decided by whatever so given it so if

it can be decided by markets what's the

problem how why is it not decided in

China by markets

well because there still exists in China

because because the people who run the

companies have executive power that's

not Democratic at the managerial level

in terms of what they can do because of

because in private form of ownership

over the means of production okay so if

workers if workers if workers

um democratically owned it then it

wouldn't be private it's only private

when you have an executive administrator

well yes when there was well when

there's a private it's not even the

administrator of course most capitalists

hire like managers I would deny the

existence in the qualified sense of

private property in a country like China

given that one of the biggest

definitions of private property is like

some kind of economic sovereignty over

the the thing the means of production

that doesn't exist in China ultimately

it's tied to the stallop and reforms and

we're actually thank you so much regime

is a kind of control over peasants I

mean if you're saying that the social

species

you know like owners and businesses and

this sort of thing no they don't have

free reign that's the thing the thing is

in China

the government can come and take your

shit away for any fucking reason it

wants if you're fucking up

same in America

but well I mean I mean it's formally

speaking no for example we bailed out

the banks for example if you have an

Enterprise in America that's not

conducive to some kind of economic goal

yeah but the state still has the power

to do that right if the difference is

that there's not legally no it doesn't

it does not it does not have that legal

power no it doesn't

uh I mean the IRS there's lots there's

lots of ways no no if you that listen in

America it's the banks that have the

power right JP local you know JP Morgan

and they can practice the part of the

state it's the capitalist capitalist

exactly that's why it's a dictatorship

of the bourgeoisie in America and it's a

dictatorship of the proletariat in China

that's why but but the reason listen the

reason America has private property

isn't because someone owns a gas station

that's not real private property real

private property is what the

Rockefellers and the fucking Morgans and

you're talking the worst successes of

product property no that is literally

the oil banking the oil Bankers that is

literally the only place where real

private property those are the only

people with economic sovereignty in our

economic system so so so but but but in

in the you know in the old you know

early capitalism which doesn't exist

anymore it doesn't exist anymore but the

what the small textile mills there that

were just the owner the private

ownership the textile mills yeah you

know because those were under the those

were under the British liberal

laissez-faire system with the textile

owners had sovereignty over their means

of production okay so that's some

socialist if the state could suddenly

take away their factories randomly

um if the if you don't actually really

own it and you're more it's more like

you're being entrusted with it or you're

like giving a you're given a contract

that in a derivative way allows you to

manage it

um yeah that's pretty much not private

property anymore and they're qualified

sense

so if someone not was someone in

feudalism not a member of the Gentry

class because there was some bigger Lord

above them who could make some decisions

that would you know um they no actually

in so here's the thing in Western

feudalism private property did take the

form of actual ownership of land

directly by a lord or buy a noble and

you actually an or a knight and they

actually did own land in Asiatic

societies like in the Ottoman Empire

no there was no private land ownership

the Mark's pointed this out you could

have the sultan would give you land

right

but this is like land you have

you are the administrator of the land

you're a tax collector or something like

that but you don't actually fucking own

it the sultan owns all the land he can

take it whenever he wants but he can

give it to you

to use or he can get as a form of use

value

he can give it to you to manage

as an administrator

so the legal formula but you don't own

it but you don't own it there's no ins

there's no developed institution of

private property and Mark's pointed this

out so the legal form of private

property in the realm of you know owning

Enterprises and the means of production

simply does not exist in China

no

really so so it's not you so so

businessmen do not

in the legal formality owner companies

that's just they're called in their

contract um ownership has taken a new

ownership has taken a new meaning

which is fun it's incompatible with the

liberal one so it's not private property

in the modern capitalist sense

okay but I still once again we're back

to I don't understand the distinction

between you know the fact that the IRS

can take

someone's private you know privately

owned business

you know if they're because they cannot

take it on the basis of some kind of

National Economic goal

oh well Lex I I would I would disagree

with that because if the national

economic goals in the United States are

defined on the basis of you know

dictatorship of the of the imperialists

and in fact if a business owner does

something against what the imperialists

say then it's not going to be the IRS no

what's actually going to fucking happen

is that the banks will come and shut

down their credit and shut down their

Banks isolate them from the market and

that's what's gonna happen that's also

the state no it's not they will do it

privately through the private sector

yeah but the merger of the private

sector in the state no it's not the

fucking State it's the it's the private

capitalist class that is not what exists

in China

I agree that America is Prem it's

probably the global economy is in it's

either already or it's in transition to

a socialist mode of production I get it

but the reason China is is

both socialist at the level of the mode

of production and socialists at the

institutional level is because

you do not have the oligarchic

capitalist class in control of the you

don't have the city of London or Wall

Street you have the Communist Party of

China which is a Chinese form of

sovereignty

based in the people

once again uh Stalin specifically made a

distinction between dictatorship

approach and so did Leonard dictatorship

I I'm aware of the distinction I'm aware

of the distinction dude I'm telling you

that

in China

private so you're like you're like

you're like all over the place okay

private property in the functional mode

of production sense doesn't exist in

China okay economy socialized at every

fucking level because even when you own

something

the premises of your ownership and the

use of the the use value of what you're

owning is socialized okay second of all

fundamental so at the legal

institutional level there also isn't

private property

because you don't have sovereignty over

it

so at the functional level of the

relations of production and actual

production

it's social it's part of a social

economy it's not

it's not the aggregate of these Atomic

Enterprises that you have in China

I mean yeah but it's just a matter of

degree remember this is just a once

again just a managerial decision this

the essence of the you know capitalist

exploitation and the uh the alienation

right the fundamental process of

alienation is still existing right

because I think I just this is just like

philosophical

on a basic level alienation this is just

this is I'm getting my head is gonna

fucking explode I'm a hegelian you're

saying alienation

dude let's not get into the

philosophical stuff okay I just like I

just feel like you're very how long have

you been a Marxist

oh

a few years now but what does that what

bearing does that have on the validity

of the point because I feel like I feel

like you I feel like you don't know how

to apply Marxism scientifically I just

feel like okay maybe I don't maybe I can

say that of course maybe I don't have

like some Advanced philosophical ability

to play Marxism specifically but I do

know based on phenomenal you know

historical reality of socialist

societies have been instantiated what

are the fundamental you know differences

in the way that all of the various you

know laws of commodity Productions the

laws of appropriation and accumulation

work differently and in fact much longer

than I've been in Market since I've been

an economist you know so studying

economics in great detail it's been a

passion one so all right dude they're

fundamental I do let's wrap it up let's

wrap it up I don't want to go in circles

with you because we I think we've

already gone down that road so let's

just wrap it up because it's been so

hard

a word fair enough

if you wanna

okay I don't think we're gonna make any

progress here but anything else

um

I mean well I guess I'll just make my

final point that I don't think that's uh

that's simply you know I think the

fundamental problem that might allow you

know because I'm a firm support the mega

communist movement I think you've done a

great workouts but I think if we don't

criticize rightest Tendencies it'll be

just as easy for neoconservatives to try

and Infiltrate The Movement as it would

have been for the leftist that we've

drawn a lot of demarcation against guys

yeah and they and I don't think we one

should equate the um liberation of petty

Bourgeois Elemental forces with the

liberation of the forces of production

in general

which I think well yeah

well

um now the reason I make that

equivocation is because

that is the only way to restart the

market

um in Monopoly capitalism and that is

what land reform does

and you know that is what happened in

China

and that is you know that's just what

happened in China there was a land

reform he gave rise to a new class of

petty producers

not a petty capitalist producers but

Petty producers and you know

yeah but that was recognized as a

transitional period even by mouth when

you nope I'm talking about under ding

ding dang Xiaoping you had a period of

primitive accumulation which was

necessary only because China was a

backward country that needed to

industrialize uh America is not going to

need a period of primitive accumulation

we can just go straight to unleashing

the productive forces which will give

ground and give the base we could give

unleash the forces of production

nationalize the Monopoly

um Enterprises and the natural resources

and the you know strategic sectors of

the economy steel manufacturing all that

kind of stuff the big Industries

nationalize all of those unleash the

market at the lower level

oh yeah but that's just that's just

that's basically just the NEP applying

of NDP which you know nope nope nope

because

um the promotion the promotion of the

small businesses is going to be premised

uh buy a land reform I mean regarding

the people the NEP

was because of the Stoli Ethan reforms

not because of the Land Reform they

stole the ipin

was the Tsar trying to create a

individualistic peasant class

artificially

yeah of course exactly so so that was a

totally different issue okay it's not

going to be like the NEP it's it's going

to be premised by a socialist land

reform

I don't know it sounds like it sounds

like

involves essentially distributism then

it's the same as a leap in reform no

it's not no it's not just so deep in

reform was a wager on the strong and the

sober we wanted to create an Elite Class

of the peasants loyal to the Czar not

the not the entirety of the the it's not

wasn't like Mao's land reform

um

okay remember what Stalin said and since

our proletariat does not live in a

vacuum but in the midst of the most

actual real life Road it forms the

Bourgeois elements arriving on the basis

of small production and circle the

proletarian on every side with Petty

Bourgeois Elemental forces by means of

which they permeate and corrupt the

proletaries and continually cause

relapses among the proletariat into

Petty Bourgeois spinelessness disunity

individualism and Alternate methods of

exaltation and dejection according to

Lenin thereby introducing into the Rex

the proletarit and okay okay dude stop I

hate when you fucking read quotes just

stop and fuck can sum up the point I got

your point you're rambling dude so the

point here is that the petty form of

production

I'm presumably is in the cities that

he's talking about this is the remnants

of institutions

and the remnants of a state contrary to

the Soviet one

so petty production

isn't some thing that it's not something

that exists in the vacuum it's the

remnant of an institution the

bourgeoisie is institutional it's

premised by some kind of universal State

institution which forms the basis by

which

uh the institution of private property

is both given legal recognition and a

basis in Civil Society organically

because of the extent of the states yes

predates the Bourgeois State and out of

it was precisely the the visual state

that arose out of the you know

inevitable path of development no no no

the bourgeoisie

as a unique special Elite segment yes

emerges from the surpluses of feudal

production the burgers and the guilds

and the cities we get it but the petty

bourgeoisie is a result of the Bourgeois

state

yeah but it's the it's the forces of

exchange and buying and selling lending

and borrowing in a in a kind of

economically Sovereign way uh without

any kind of social control or or you

know socialist management that precisely

allowed the this this Petty Bourgeois uh

class to eventually become the

capitalists later on simply no no no

it's not no it's not no it's not no it's

not

existing in the present just stop

rambling just get to your fucking point

that is my my point the fundamental

economic you know forces giving rise to

them to the capitalist class exist and

are latent in the Primitive forms of

exchange existing in the petty

bourgeoisie like that's so giving free

right okay okay but here's what you

don't fucking understand I want you to

read an article for me when you're done

read a work by slavo's music it's called

repeating Lenin because it's going to

give you an introduction to De loses

concept of repetition even though

capitalism has its basis in the Smitty

Petty small production that is precisely

why socialism entails a return there

return to the basis by repeating the

origins of capitalism you are

accelerating the process by which the

transition from capitalism to socialism

occurs because when you repeat something

it's not just the same fucking thing all

difference arises from repetition that

is why Lenin

made a distinction between the

countryside

in his economic development of

capitalism in Russia and the cities now

in the cities the distinction between

the proletariat and the bourgeoisie was

very clear but Lenin said that the

distinction in the countryside was more

important even though oh yeah it emerged

from the countryside we need to go to

the countryside to repeat the class

struggle

because you have an established form of

the class struggle struggle in the

cities which the mensheviks took for

granted by saying hey Lenin why are you

bothering with these backward Asiatic

peasants when here you have capitalism

in the cities and you know the

bourgeoisie in the cities is going to

lead the revolution in a stagest way and

that's how it's going to happen and

London said no

that bourgeoisie that's the established

bourgeoisie

even though it was the result of

relations in the countryside it doesn't

mean it's the same thing so repetition

is not the same thing it's never the

repetition of the same thing

to really repeat something to really

repeat something

means to change

oh to repeat something just simply

I mean but

I I believe because because here's the

here's the Paradox I'm gonna explain it

to you the paradox

capitalism arose from Petty production

in the countryside right

and that has given rise to Monopoly

so how can you return to the origin how

can you repeat those Origins you can

only repeat those Origins by giving

expression to something that has emerged

within capitalism itself which is

socialism only a socialist State can

enact and violate the sanctity of

private property by enacting a general

Land Reform that will allow this process

to repeat and but this problem hold on

hold on but the repetition of this

process

will occur under new circumstances for

example in Russia there was a general

land reform

which then took on a different character

in the form of the cold causes and then

in China there is a general Land Reform

which took on a different character with

the people's communes and these were all

forms of primitive accumulation but the

point is only socialists

can bring back the free market basically

I mean yeah I would agree that's the

Paradox that's why that's why socialism

will succeed capitalism because only

socialism can resolve capitalism's

contradictions

because it is the resolution of

capitalism's contradictions

indeed but the fun but the but the

fundamental you know process by which

the Bush was the you know take took shit

firstly it wasn't it wasn't the the Bush

was even come out of hold on hold on

give me a second Avant avant-garde

avant-garde you're fucking wrong okay

shut the fuck up avant-garde you're

fucking wrong it was a repeat

because we're talking about the fucking

Russian Countryside you fucking retard

stop fucking caps locking me in the

fucking chat you don't know what I'm

fucking talking about

go ahead

oh sorry

oh

yeah yeah I was well first of the the

um

of the medieval you know the high

medieval period was concentrated you

know as well why do I care why are we

talking about the medieval series please

get to the point I don't want a history

10 but you like to talk a lot dude just

get to the fucking point

well I guess I mean I presume both of us

like to talk a lot uh since we're in

politics okay then you become a fucking

streamer and you talk about this shit

and see how much views you'd get

I hope that is my plan actually but uh

but here I'm just I'm just here to to

discuss this okay so please get to the

point like I just skip to the point

don't give me any facts don't give me

any rundown just skip to your point

well because my my fundamental point is

the fundamental point of disagreement

that I think we have is the fact that I

do not make any question between the the

um you know capitalists between the

liberation of the petty Bourgeois

Elemental forces giving rise to

capitalism and the uh liberation of the

forces of production in general in fact

it would it would just result in the

creation of a lower and more proximate

company my my answer to you is um study

dialectics and maybe you will solve that

problem

okay but that's not really response to

my phone no it is a response because

I've tried to explain to you the

significance of repetition about how

when you're supposedly unleashing these

Elemental forces you are not unleashing

the elemental forces of the bourgeoisie

because that assumes that those forces

necessarily will give rise to the same

result that you're witnessing now so the

premise of the conclusion will not give

rise to that same conclusion that's

dialectics that's what dialectics means

you the conclusion is the established

conclusion

the ability for there to be another

conclusion you have to return to the

very premise of the established

conclusion and by returning to it you're

not just you're not just on you're not

unleashing the elemental forces of the

bourgeoisie in some abstract sense

through some laws whatever that requires

an active social

um

will in the form of a land reform or

something I've tried to explain to you

this dialectic you don't want to listen

so I recommend you study study hegel's

logic and you'll get it okay but it

seems to stolen Amel have a difference

no they don't no they don't because no

they don't because you're taking it out

of fucking context no they don't this is

literally 101 Lenin's dictatorship of

the proletariat and the peasantry this

is 101 Lenin's revolutionary strategy

this is 101 the point of Stalin's

emphasis on the middle peasant

not trotsky's love poor peasant and not

bukharan's rich gulaks the middle

peasant this is the entire hegelian

logic underlying it now Stalin may talk

about the elemental

um Betty Bourgeois forces in the cities

which were the remnants institutionally

of a completely different state okay

that's I've I you didn't address that

point so well yeah of course but I'm

talking I'm sure shawnee's private

business so it's not really Elemental in

the in terms of the mode of production

it's institutionally Elemental it's a

fifth column in the making because it's

the remnant of a previous state it's a

remnant of a previous status quo

yes and at one point it was an emerging

clause

it was it was it was emerging it was

emerging in continuity with its

emergence before the proletarian

dictatorship so it was not the real

premise of the entire fucking economy

I mean yeah but I don't understand how

getting rid of imperialists and then

just Distributing means of production

through some petty capitalists okay well

I know you don't get it I know you don't

get it it's been like two hours okay

fair enough it really doesn't make any

sense oh well to you it doesn't make any

sense

um so study hegel's logic and it'll make

sense

okay I mean that's quite an answer but

you know it feels like you you couldn't

I suppose we can agree to disagree on

the matter okay oh all right anything

else support this movement yeah yeah uh

have a good you know okay

it was a great discussion great bye-bye

oh man I wanted to fucking chill out

after this I didn't want the stream to

go this long man I wanted to fucking

yeah I wanted to chill man after I

wanted to watch a movie or some shit all

right now I gotta fucking go to bed

right away

um whatever

I might I might chill on the Minecraft

and see what you guys are up to on the

Minecraft server

um but other than I don't know I'm gonna

I gotta go right bye guys

um there's one I found that conversation

one aspect of that conversation that

didn't bore me to death and