Debating MAGA COMMUNISM

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is that every time I start the stream

like 30 people leave what why I don't

get it why did you even come here where

you just wanted to be in the fucking

waiting screen

like every time I show up it I've been

recording this for the past like three

days like I'll be on the week I'll be on

the waiting screen as soon as I fucking

turn on my camera and start the show

like 40 people leave it's so fucking

weird it's so like

spooky honestly what the fuck

it's like so fucking weird like why

why do you even come what are you here

for

are you not even waiting for the stream

like what

you know

it's like such a weird mysterious

fucking thing

anyway guys

um

anyway

it's Christmas and then it's Santa Claus

I was just substituting we're not doing

that I'm not I don't got it in me for

today I don't got any

I don't got any of that in me for today

as far as the Christmas music I just

don't I don't got any time to be singing

I don't got any time for any of that

Jolly festive nonsense I just don't got

it in me right I don't have time for it

because we actually have some content

lined up for today

and I know everyone's going to be

complaining about the late stream times

and I've just come to terms with the

fact that I'm living in a curse I'm

living in a curse and I'm trying really

hard to solve it

every day it resets

and I go I'm waking up at 4 P.M every

fucking day no matter what I fucking do

and honestly I just

I'm gonna reset it tomorrow

but it's been depressing the fuck out of

me I'm not gonna lie I've been like I

was so fine a few days ago and then I

realized like holy fuck how do I get out

of this cycle right and the only way I'm

gonna be able to get out of it is if I

or do a force reset which means I'm

gonna have to wake up this morning and

barely get any sleep tomorrow morning on

Christmas Eve so Christmas Eve I'm

barely getting any sleep

and I was gonna do a hard reset and then

I just I'm gonna take it back right

because there's no way I'm going to be

able to do early streams with my current

sleep schedule it's just not viable and

it's not fucking possible right there's

no fucking way it's gonna happen

it's it's literally not possible it's

like physically not possible it's not

possible in any any fucking capacity

it's two degrees outside

I want to report that and everyone's

complaining about it and it's my

childhood I'm out here being like are

you guys pussies this is just this is

life I love it actually I'm the only

person who loves it because I'm a

psychopath

but today's the day I decided to go do

my groceries two degree weather I'm

outside I'm having a great time I love

the cold I love the cold I love the

freshness of the cold I meant it's cold

outside

that's what I like right

I love the cold

I love the cold

and I'm here for it I'm here for the

winter storm

now in any case motherfuckers we have a

Twitter debate we're gonna just probably

hop right into

about Maga communism we have a Maga

communism debate that we're doing

through Twitter spaces

and I'm doing this for you guys just for

Content because usually when I do

Twitter spaces thank you so much to

appreciate it found you in Jackson

because I came to admire Stalin after

hating him and now I'm here get well

American people need you all I'm doing

this out of the goodness graciousness of

my heart because every time I do Twitter

spaces I make no money like I remember

that one time I did a Twitter space and

I I didn't even I didn't make any

whatever like so I'm pretty I'm pretty

much doing it for free at this point

right

and I'm doing it because it's such good

content and I want to get some good

debates going because nobody you know

modern day debate has not contacted me

in months

I don't get challenged to debates

anymore right there's some people in the

Discord who look like they want to talk

to me I don't want to fucking talk to

you I don't want to talk to you unless

you are someone who represents the voice

of a if you're seeing I'm gonna be like

thank you so much Lionel appreciate it

I'm gonna be like

you know I'm not saying this because I'm

an asshole I'm saying this because if

you're not a prominent person

I'm not just gonna fucking talk to you

and have a conversation with you live on

stream and waste my viewers times I

can't talk to all 200 of my viewers okay

or however many fucking viewers I have

nowadays I can't talk to every single

person though no matter how many fucking

viewers I have so if you want to talk to

me live you have to represent a

significant number of people or else why

are we wasting people's time right so

it's I just think it's fucking rude like

every fucking person goes in my Discord

hey guys I want to have a talk thank you

appreciate you man I'm gonna have a talk

who the fuck are you to have a talk with

me you want to have a private

conversation maybe but why what makes

you special so I'm gonna waste

everyone's time to talk to you why

what what do you have to offer

that others don't you want to prove

yourself that you're an interesting

person writes write something that's

interesting go write something for me

that I find interesting

you know this and this is specifically

uh um

I don't know man I just feel like you

know what kids need nowadays media

training when you're in fifth grade you

need to be like taught like hey you're

not special there's millions of people

like you and there's there's millions of

carbon copies of you're not special

right

that's how I started out as a streamer I

never was entitled and thought I was

fucking special I started gaining

traction

uh because of what I was putting out

right I wasn't it wasn't like you know I

was a chatter too I used to be a chatter

as well I was never the type of person

who was like oh yeah I'm entitled

to

you know get attend you know get special

attention like no I'm an anonymous

viewer unless I have something to offer

what am I what am I doing here

wasting people's fucking time right A

lot of people confuse their own personal

story or whatever that means with

something political and they think it's

like they can sorry they confuse that

with like other people it's like no you

have like a self-image problem and

you're trying to drag all of us into it

sorry no like you need to fucking get in

line there's a lot of people I mean the

number one rule in life that I think

is always remind yourself that you're

not fucking special

you want to know that's something I do

I'm a writer I'm a intellectual I'm a

philosopher whatever the fuck you want

to call me right before I ever utter

anything in public do you know how

fucking like

much effort I put into just learning and

seeing hey has this ground been covered

before yet

like right now

I'm trying to teach myself something

about physics

I'm not opening my mouth about it

because I want to like I'm humbling

myself other people have already covered

this right

but every fucking person it seems like

thinks they're so special every time

there's like a new discovery or whatever

the fuck right

they think they make a new discovery

um

they just have this idea in their head

where they're like oh yeah I'm the first

person to ever think of this ever so I'm

just gonna go bother people about it

and it's it's so narcissistic and

egotistical I know it's something that

fucking pisses me off

it's honestly such a profound shame it

is

it's such a damn shame is what it is

those are the words I'm looking for it's

a damn shame right

the number one lesson in life is you're

not special every time you want to feel

like you're going to do something ask

yourself has this done before if this

has been done before what can I learn

from the people who have already done

this before I ever you guys think I

would have just jumped into streaming I

was a Circa chatter

for a few months or a year even not like

every day but like I was I familiarized

myself with how streaming worked before

I ever had the audacity to try and

become a streamer

because I you have to learn from the

people who are already doing this before

you want to fucking do it that's just

how anything in life works and you may

think oh I have I can do better than

them you can think that in your head but

before you can be better than anyone at

anything you have to learn from the

people who have already done the thing

there's there's nothing about you that

much is going to be instantly better

right

um yeah so that's my rant about that

you know if you are an intellectual or

you're a philosopher

I want you to exhaust

be up to date about what people are

talking about

I'm obsessed with physics right now and

I've always been in a way because that's

where Zizek ended in some sense

with his book less than nothing and I

feel like less than nothing is the end

of Zizek I after at less than nothing

I think absolute recoil comes after that

and that's a good book but

less than nothing I think is the point

like that's where he quantum physics

and Lacon like the his the real with

this French whatever bullshit

that's g-jack at his best

and to me that's like nobody's really

thought

beyond that to me at for a very long

time

so that every time I would see a

philosopher or an intellectual I'd be

like dude have you read Zizek like this

is all over you know this is all already

addressed

so you know it's it's just frustrating

to see people thinking they're special

when they're these intellectuals and

they're not right

they're really not

and it's actually similar with Hegel

have you gotten past Hegel no you

haven't then shut the fuck up

all right without any further ado

I'm gonna get straight into the Maga

communism debate

and I have to turn on my audio for my

BlueStacks

eco-communist supporting Mega communism

so Maga

is an idea

who which was coined in the community

and which was

um first put out there by me and it was

popularized by Jackson

and I was actually banned on Twitter

for a long time

uh and through the entire duration of

the entire ordeal so a lot of people

have decided to share their thoughts

about Maga communism

while having the privilege of not

getting any pushback from the person who

basically you know wrote the modern

communism sub stack and you know I was

here to defend it

so now I'm here I'm back on Twitter and

Elon musk's Twitter I'm not officially

quite back yet but I'm here in Twitter

spaces and I've been here and I want to

hear what people have to say about Maga

communism

debate me right if all the people who

had so much shit to say about Maga

communism for so long well now the guy

himself is here and now I'm here to

debate you about it because honestly

my affirmative thesis if anyone wants a

definitive thesis for the topic of

debate it's this my view is that there

is no way to be a communist in any

meaningful sense in the United States of

America without being a Maga communist

that is my affirmative thesis so anyone

who's claiming they want to hold me to a

position that's my position there is no

meaningful sense in which you can be a

communist in America without also being

a Maga communist in particular now if

anyone would like to debate that the

floor is yours

rev are none of these people Debaters

bro they're all pussies I am I am the Mr

leftist I am the official representative

of leftism and I must say that MOG is

quite a terrible movement they're big

Maga Caravan killed my dog and this

means they cannot be good at all and

they cannot be Communists is this guy

trolling

yeah yeah pretty much we don't

appreciate that I am not trolling at all

I am very sincere in my beliefs okay get

him out of here I don't want to yeah

all right there's plenty of people who

uh should be able to debate or at least

say anything bad about Maga communism

because so many people had so much bad

to say about Maga communism and I'm

curious like what's your angle there's

no way to be a communist in America

without being a Maga communist the only

way you can actually give meaning to

what communism is again in this country

is by so severely detaching yourself

from the left and from the institutional

left that you just go full Maga and what

does Maga mean Maga is the Wilderness

Maga is Q Anon Maga is all of those

militia people Maga is the true heart

and soul of revolutionary America right

I'm curious to hear how anyone can

refute this basic simple idea how can

you not be a Maga communist I'm curious

if you're going around calling yourself

a communist how can you not be among a

communist and then I also have another

startling thesis

if you are considering yourself a

intellectual leader of Maga how can you

not be a communist what is your plan to

take Maga forward without communism so

I'm not actually just here to debate

leftists I'm also here to debate the

right who rejects Maga communism

people on the right who reject Maga

communism what is your plan for for Mago

what's your strategy forward for the

Maga movement how do you preserve the

Maga movement DeSantis is coming Trump

seems like he's fumbling the bag uh

consistently

how do you make Maga

a living movement without also having it

be a communist movement and what does a

communist movement means it means a

movement that is based in the American

working class by the American working

class for the American working class

right that means Maga communism

basically says we want to take America

back to the basics we want

to nationalize the major industries of

this country the energy industry the

steel industry the heavy manufacturing

we want to have a program where we

expropriate monopolies and redistribute

them to the small guy now this isn't AOC

socialism it's not the socialism you've

heard of because we're not going to

institutionalize everyone and make them

work for the government but what we are

going to do is we're going to destroy

the power of the monopolies which have

taken over our government and we're

going to allow things to start from

scratch we're going to allow it we're

going to make it easier for people to

start small businesses we're going to

make it easier for people to start up

their own forms of Enterprises by having

easier access to resources and capital

we're going to overhaul the financial

system completely destroy Wall Street

completely nationalize the banking

system so that instead of the Federal

Reserve we actually have a national bank

and the purpose of the national National

Bank is going to be to invest in the

infrastructure and Industry tree of this

country

we're going to destroy the Monopoly

capital and we're going to promote new

forms of economic entrepreneurship and

businesses many of those businesses will

inevitably be cooperatives and that's

not probably going to be all of them but

it's going to be a model that's probably

going to be promoted and if you look

into the Cooperative model it's not

horrible right if you're a factory

a small Factory of a thousand or two

thousand people Cooperative isn't

necessarily a bad idea right now there

will be other models sure we will allow

different models to compete

we it's going to be similar to China

right but it's going to be an American

version and the American version is

going to have heavy emphasis on the

creativity and Entrepreneurship of

homesteads and individuals okay

he's gonna bring the country back to the

people Maga doesn't talk about this

really Maga is really vague about it we

want to follow through on the original

promise of Maga give the government and

the economy back to the people right

because at the end of the day the ruling

class the Elites in the Deep State all

get their power from Monopoly

big business the monopolies that control

and own our government

and we also have a huge and this is

another angle we're bringing into Maga

communism there's a huge level of tech

technological change that's occurring

right now you have the rise of AI and AI

art and other things right that's the

one we're most familiar with we have the

rise of automation we have the rise of

brand new information technology smart

cities all this stuff

we Maga Communists want to accelerate

the transition into the fourth

Industrial Revolution and web three we

want to accelerate that process not

hamper it want to promote AI promote

automation but if we don't do this in a

way that is in the benefit of people

it's going to lead to the destruction of

civilization it's going to lead to the

ruin economic ruin and Devastation of

millions and millions of people

so we are not against technology we just

want to make sure

that it's going to be in the benefit of

the people not the monopolies who are

actually stagnating our technological

Revolution now eternal battle 14 is in

my YouTube and he's saying Haas Marx

would disagree with you right now okay

well you can come make your case

uh request to be speaker

yeah yeah Haws we got someone here he

comes up a delusion Marxist so all right

let him let him speak

all right so wait can everyone hear me

yeah we can hear you all right great so

about Maga I'm like kind I'm personally

suspicious of all right

from you all right all right yeah so

like if you

this is anecdotal but if you go to like

certain uh Parks or state parks out in

the country like so-called reservations

and stuff

you'll see like

really rich communities inside of these

parks

and

like you know this is like typically the

way it is like in cities and stuff like

there's night patrols and shit like that

but like

can you please specify what you're

talking about and what you're trying to

say

so

I think I remember there being like a

kind of criticism back before like when

Maga first started uh

got up and going is that there was a

strong like middle class elements

I'm sorry strong working class component

yes

okay yeah no of course but like

hmm

you know what hold on I'm gonna go back

a little bit

H what

dude where the fuck do you go man you're

gonna debate

hey can I jump in and said

uh okay Natalie sure

yeah sorry he's my sister's phone I

don't have a mobile cable one myself

anyways on the ecology a question about

like for example uh if you destroy

Wetlands they're gonna uh purify your

water naturally for you that it seems

like condo or compensates about

technology we could diffuse those

resources elsewhere it just seems like

being stupid to me

can you can you can you be more specific

about what you're talking about as well

I wish I wasn't

I agree

um I'm just saying like uh you know I'm

more for technology and development and

stuff there's a bit of a sort of

ignorant anti-ecological open within uh

some of your movement

okay so what what are you who is

threatening the wetlands

I'm just saying like there's people who

say like we wipe out all the bees and

then we'll use like mini drones to like

pollinate our food for us that it seems

you can just use technology in a smart

way and then be more efficient with our

resource use what does this have to do

with Maga communism

why why is it Auntie like you don't want

the equal communist and stuff being part

of Mega communism uh because we do we

despise the ideology of ecology now

regarding real ecology that is real

ecology without the aesthetic of

environmentalism and ecology I mean

we're not we're not inherently opposed

to that we're just opposed to the

ideological aesthetic of ecology which

we find disgusting and which we fully

oppose but if you want to talk about

real ecology I mean this is mature stuff

you want to talk about the people on the

ground who actually deal with this stuff

they don't have this naive mentality of

oh yeah nature all this we're against

the ideology of ecology and nature we're

not against the actual real world

science uh the real one the People boots

on the ground who are actually fucking

you know studying and surveying these

lands and Parks I mean we are not

against that work we just hate this

immature ideology which is also degrowth

ideology and you know anti-technology so

that's that's the hill we're dying on we

don't believe in conservation for the

sake of it

okay maybe getting more in the meat of

it I mean the concept of like ecological

carrying capacity obviously humans view

tools and Technology to basically

uh you know maximize it but at a certain

point if you're actually it's like

eating the seed corn or whatever you're

looking at the grade uh the capacity of

uh do you have evidence for that

one thing uh

the whole the whole thing is with humans

can we be smarter than just the a herd

of antelope thank you so much African

Communists appreciate you man

uh favorable uh environmental conditions

the population growth and then there's

uh a crash because it can't sustain it

so I mean I'm saying from my perspective

it's a new list can you list examples of

that across history because surely this

has happened before if it can happen

oh I mean after the Roman Empire fell it

was uh many uh centuries until the uh uh

the uh agriculture can you can you dial

it back a little you know a little bit

you're extremely loud to the point where

I'll I'll hold the phone a little bit

further with my face is that better

it's actually not better

anyway

the Roman Empire can you please

demonstrate how the depletion of

resources had anything to do with the

decline of the Roman Empire or the

economic activity within the Roman

Empire I think during the time of the

Roman Empire when they could maintain

their technology when they were

degrading the fertility of the soil and

the Italian uh Peninsula they they would

still after their social model collapsed

then the people left in Italy were in an

impoverished situation

can you demonstrate the correlation to

the depletion of the soil and the

depletion of resources

I'm sorry what do you mean the Roman

Empire and the Roman Republic

encompassed the Italian Peninsula for

many centuries

and you're saying there is a point at

which they ran out of resources or they

ran out of uh soil having a you know a

fertile quality can you prove that I've

never heard of that ever

um I don't have any sources outside my

head right now but I'm saying it's over

time their technology was able to sort

of mask the damage they were doing and

then not brought on by it other factors

you know the German tribes and what have

you the Roman Empire collapsed and then

it sort of uh laid bare what was how

degraded the uh the brutality of the

soil was explain how the Roman Empire

collapsed because I'm you have I'm lost

on that one

the Roman Empire actually collapsed

sorry I didn't catch all that

did the Roman Empire actually in fact

collapse

I don't know what day

yes but I understand

all right when did it collapse

yeah the dates are my thing man

what

dates are my thing baby well clearly 780

or something what 700 12 to 1280

something around there is that correct

so

there so the Roman Empire didn't just

change the name it was just fully

collapsed

well near the Byzantine Empire was sort

of a continuation and aluminum

pardon what happened to the Western

Roman Empire did it just like collapse I

guess it was a bit of a modern

scholarship with more sort of a coup

where some of these the German tribes

that took over that and could collapses

maybe uh being a bit disputed in the

modern scholarships I think this has

something to do with the soil

explain what this has to do with this

I mean I know it's been well established

in uh uh historical sources about the

Exodus of the population from uh Italy

after the collapse of the Roman Empire

they can know they can no longer support

the populations that were existing there

where is this well established I don't

know you can do some Googling I I didn't

I didn't come about myself okay okay

I'm glad

I'm gladic of the mainstream

environmental movement that you're uh

pulled off with and I agree there are a

bunch of clowns that don't don't really

I can't understand ecology all right

we're done with it

all right Jam go ahead

hopefully it's actually about Maga

communism this time

uh yeah hey man how's it going

um do I say is your name Hayes or has

I'm just wondering

hey Haas um yeah man I don't know if I'm

gonna be much of a debater because I

think I pretty much agree I think um

uh that they are compatible uh I think

you know I mean communism to me is uh is

a deep

etiology that is you know compatible

with all Humanity or if you agree

well you didn't really say I just wanted

to uh I I have some questions about it

my question is um how are we going to

convey this message to the Maga

community that that it makes sense that

it resonates with them I think well you

can uh there's there's some and you can

hear some of the ways I do that on my

YouTube

okay

this is not an advice space I'm here for

debates

so

Che Guevara

go ahead Che guevar go ahead

oh what an idiot get the fuck out of

here okay who's this other guy Lazo

speak what do you want

uh I just have some questions and I want

to learn about it so how does

nationalizing Industries and small

business work together and if you I mean

if you dismantle the big monopolies

wouldn't they just emerge again aren't

you keeping the premises alive

uh if they emerged again then the same

thing would just restart because if

anything gets so big that it has to

become a monopoly

it has extended beyond the pro you know

any kind of private sphere at all and

it's just become a public Commons

that's my view if something has gone so

big that it has to become a monopoly

there's no need that it should operate

profit should not be the basis upon

which it operates or you know it it's

now is public interest belongs to the

public interest that's what I believe

but the small businesses would lead back

to the monopolies wouldn't they that's

that's how capitalism Works isn't it

uh

that's not just how capitalism works

that's probably how physics works as

well something small becomes bigger

what's the problem though because if it

ever got that big

then the same cycle would repeat itself

except this time it wouldn't have to be

like a violent political revolution it

would just be a cycle of socialism

socialism also has a history it also has

cycles and stages you know you saw this

under Stalin you saw this under mile ma

launched the cultural revolution so

others would dang you're not seeing this

with Xi Jinping he's doing something

similar he's clamping down on monopolies

he's promoting the middle stratum so you

know this is not this isn't something

just it's not a Utopia where you get to

an end point it's a continually you know

changing

and unfolding history I understand that

it becomes non-antagonistic right a

small small businesses May one day

aspire to get so big that they can be

immortalized as like part of the public

comments

and it's almost like you got so big now

there's this golden statue to you

because of the greatness of your work of

your entrepreneurship and your business

skills you know people like someone like

forward in a way lives on like that in

America now the legacy of Henry Ford

isn't exactly nationalized but in every

other respect it is his legacy as far as

the United States is concerned has been

immortalized and become of public

interest and a public Commons so I think

something similar is there

people may one day aspire

to get to the point of making that

Immortal contribution to the

Commonwealth of mankind and I think if

you ask any of these billionaires that

exist today

that's actually the talking points they

already use that's what Elon Musk says

that's what they already say and maybe

they're not sincere about it now but you

know that's how they talk in China as

well you know it's all you ultimately

want to get to a point where you work

for Humanity

and yeah you start out as a small

business so you have the opportunity to

do that instead of being strangled by

bureaucracies

who's thumbs Downing me speak one

question before you do that yeah I don't

see how you abolishing the monopolies

would lead to a state of affairs where

people's material interests would be

serving Humanity that sounds idealist to

me doesn't sound materialist

what would matter communism change

um okay I have a question for you

was Marx an idealist

from what I don't know well Xi Jinping

has repeatedly used the phrase work for

Humanity and do you know who he was

quoting like exactly

marks yeah Karl Marx the founder of

historical materialism

so I'm saying that this is idealist is

completely incompatible with Marxism

itself it's not idealist okay I just

want to know how it's not idealist I

just want to know how because working

for Humanity is

if you read the book of communist

Builders Union

then hello hello shut the fuck up and

wait your turn

if you read the guidebook for communist

builders in the Soviet Union if you read

the Communist rhetoric in China or any

communist country that is very much in

line with how they articulate these

ideas

material reality I have to change for

that to work

something so much thank you so much PJ

leaving and working for Humanity all

right I'm doing wait wait what did you

say has to change for that to work

so when in the USSR China when they

start talking about working for Humanity

it's a different state it's a you know a

state okay controlled for the working

class by the working class so do you not

imagine that uh this

what state do you think I'm talking

about

is in the United States right

and does that imply a different state

um yeah to me it does okay sure so

what's the problem

I just don't see how in current you know

I I want to see how mod communism what

the plan is to make people quote unquote

work for Humanity how would you instill

that spirit and I don't know American

people I guess

you mean after the seizure of power in a

proton dictatorship

I mean yeah if that's part of the market

communist movement then yeah I'll

explain to you how Society already Works

under capitalism this form of capitalism

today

so when you're working within your you

know on your grind to elevate yourself

you do get to a point where it's no

longer about yourself anymore and you

have a degree of social obligations and

responsibility because of the sheer

scale

of you know how much your business

encompasses that's already a fact of

today's form of capitalism and if you

get big enough this kind of rhetoric of

yeah serving Humanity in the environment

I mean that is already formally speaking

the case you know it's a fake version

It's a fraudulent version because of the

rule of Wall Street and financial

capital

the old environment in the US today is

this fake shit right uh how do you make

not fake I guess that's the question to

dumb it down

well how do you ensure that it's not

fake you don't have

capital

you have a state that is not loyal to

any of the private interests of society

but is only loyal to the common

interests and in particular the

particular interests of the proletariat

okay you can speak when it's your turn

okay something like China right that's

the goal exactly

okay thank you

is that it

yeah I'll just listen and see if I have

more questions all right Jay go ahead

okay first of all I want to give my

views about monopolies see there's

nothing problem in Monopoly biopoly Ola

oligarchy but the thing is they should

be good they should work for humility

like there is a shipping agency in U.S

it's namely UPS its workers are dying

because of Summer

Etc don't have air conditioners so the

workers are dying this is wrong if even

if the UPS managed to become a monopoly

then what's the use of this its workers

are done

are you understanding me so the

condition of work can you please clarify

what you mean workers are dying

what does this have to do with being

against monopolies you have Che Guevara

in your profile picture this is Marxism

leninism 101 so please clarify what

you're talking about

foreign

you have a government company even if

it's a monopoly

see so it's not about Monopoly or

biopoly the thing is they should work

for immunity

you're wrong if in socialism if you have

a monopoly then it's probably if you

have a Government state-owned monopoly

unless it's somehow hampering

my shit just fucking crashed I can't

fucking believe this

YouTube kind of fucking crashed what is

going on

it's like I am being sabotaged

objectively holy fuck

what the fuck is going on

what is going on

holy fuck

okay hello

foreign

yeah anyway as I was saying

um no you're wrong

uh a monopoly if you're talking about a

state-owned monopoly then it's probably

just some commonly uh some common

interest some common utility like for

example

should should there be a monopoly on

energy probably yeah I mean no no that

these are shut up

in basic economics these are called

natural monopolies

but the problem is that some most

monopolies are not natural monopolies

and actually retard the forces of

production so if you have government

retarding the forces of production like

you did have in the Soviet Union I mean

that is objectively what happened the

Soviet Union was never able to put it

this way I mean

Soviet Union couldn't even adopt

computer Technologies because of a

monopoly that was managed by this class

of bureaucrats that didn't want to give

up their power

so

you need to make

God you need to treat government

ownership is more of a burden rather

than something to Aspire for

government should own the things that

could cannot

uh be turned into a market I agree

probably the PO the post system is

probably an example of that but you also

have to do why can't government

actually do a good job of update I mean

you look at the U.S federal government

right now

it has yes it is so far beyond Behind

the private sector it's a joke in terms

of technology in terms of methods in

terms of Competency and organization so

that's a and there's something similar

was happening in the Soviet Union Soviet

Union was not able

to innovate very well so that's a very

real problem

I think that's a problem how will you

divide innovation in communism

how will you divide Innovation communism

that's a very big issue yeah but the the

way you do it is that you give people

room to experiment you give people room

to do their own thing which means you

minimum you're you it's an inherently an

anti-institutional and anti-monopolistic

stance at least compared to our society

which is fully Consolidated by a

government-backed monopoly capital

if we could have the government take

over most of these monopolies or disband

them or dissolve them

then this will give more breathing room

for experimentation and give give them

back to the people it'll give the people

a chance to enrich themselves and to

enrich Society by innovating and

revolutionizing the forces of production

I mean how many Technologies are being

repressed by the you know

major oil monopolies when it comes to

Alternative Sports sources of energy

probably a lot big Pharma does the same

thing there's so much pharmaceutical and

medical technology that's hampered or

it's not investigated selectively

studied all in the name of preserving

their Monopoly uh you have something

similar going on with computer

Technologies and software Technologies

look at intellectual property right so

one of the big points of Communism is

destroying monopolies destroying patents

and IPS and all this nonsense and giving

it back giving the forces of production

and the means of production back to the

people

okay I have a doubt and that recently I

have here that in the United States of

America some scientists which are

publicly funded which are government

funded they have done a revolutionary

research regarding nuclear fission

infusion so whatever they will get

whatever they will get

after doing so much intense research

about nuclear fissure infusion

what reverse they will get yeah well I'm

not I don't know I'm not sure about the

details of that study or how

groundbreaking it really was but I see

your point your point is taken yeah

I mean see that's a proof that even a

public public funded University can do

research can do Innovation we just don't

need privatization

like in America internet was publicly

funded

low capitalist was ready to eventually

true that's not necessarily true because

I know America's public funded Network

and system is responsible for most of

the actual Innovation I agree with that

most of the actual

hard-hitting research Capital comes from

the government it's from the public

sector I agree most of the research but

as far as implementation is concerned

that has been done by the private sector

and I think there's a reason for that

because implementation is very sensitive

to local effects and local

interactions and things like that that a

government can't necessarily plan for

because it just doesn't have the

information to

so the era of Information Technology

does not lend itself to Total

centralization the only person who's

tried to make the case for this is Paul

cockshot with his super computer idea

that you know everything will be

centrally planned by super computers I'm

not really convinced by it though

but I've not seen anyone make a better

case for it than him but saying that the

public sector and I mean you have to if

you're going to take accountability for

publicly funded research you also have

to take accountability for all the bad

things the government the things the

government's horrible at doing

and that's also being able to implement

these Technologies and organize them in

a way that's sensitive to people's

actual wants

so doing that for implementing the

technology privatization is good are you

saying that the government can't

Implement properly

uh I think government

privatization is not necessarily good

and it's not necessarily bad

I have the same view as China usually

it's not necessarily about privatization

it's more about giving people the

breathing room

to develop it's basically cutting the

regulations in bureaucracy that hampers

people's ability to actually make new

things you don't necessarily have to

privatize things that exist or make them

nationalize them even you just have to

give people the opportunity to engage in

economic activity that's not planned for

beforehand

okay so let's discuss another point that

why the hell people will work in

socialism what will your motivation for

that to work uh the same reason people I

mean

what do you mean work is life's Prime

want work is the reason it's the purpose

of humanity it's like you don't have

human beings without people who work you

actually do I have to do a great deal

great deal how you will get people to

work how you will get people to work

that's the question you give people a

reason to work by giving them the

ability to work for themselves

yes see I want to say that first of all

we should admit that people are not lazy

let's see if you haven't lived I think

when I think when you have a you know

overly bureaucratized socialism

people will just be lazy I actually

fully think that people I mean it was

the case in the USSR in the later years

it's true no one can deny that nobody

who lived in the USSR can deny the fact

and in the late years of the USSR the

70s and 80s people were lazy

people it was stagnating people just

kind of didn't have a reason to do this

yes

like even in Russia even now in Russia

if you if your wife is pregnant she will

get three years holiday

three years paid holiday

so why the people will not get busy but

people are definitely lazy when not put

under pressure Diamonds Are Made under

pressure when people are not under

pressure they are lazy I'm Lee I know

that because I'm lazy and I'm not going

to understand okay see my views on it I

am saying that if you have never and you

think that he is lazy he's not lazy he's

just doing some work which he doesn't

like like see if I like if I like him

there will always be work that has to be

done

that has nothing to do with whether you

like it or not the need to dig coal out

of the ground or they need to dig

resources out of the ground this is not

pretty shut the fuck up Indy for your

weight your turn this is not

particularly glamorous work it's not

particularly appetizing work to have to

uh you know be a garbage man and take

people's garbage clean toilets none of

that is appetizing work it's not

particularly you know it's not work

people necessarily want to do its work

people have to do to survive so

submitting to necessity is always going

to be a necessity

yeah you are right and

there's a YouTube channel song called

second thought he was saying that along

with socialism we shall also do some

Revolutions in autonomy

like we should build robots for work

yeah people will just enter their life

the problem is that second thought is a

revisionist and he's a demo he works for

the U.S Democratic party so really thank

you so much PJs

second thought works for the U.S

Democratic party he's aligned with the

azov Battalion in Ukraine he's against

Russia and he's a liberal so whatever

second thought is saying is has to be

taken with a grain of salt because he's

actually a revisionist and possibly a

Hitler right he's an Adolf Hitler

socialist

Maybe

ah he is definitely an Adolf Hitler

socialist

so I think now we should not discuss

about absolute socialism we shall just

about improving other conditions from

capitalism yeah

the problem is that second thought is an

Adolf Hitler socialist

who wants to bring back Hitler's Germany

2.0

put in yeah maybe I also think that he

was very liberal he's very little

he's a liberal

he's not a socialist he's not a

communist he's just a liberal

can someone be a communist without being

a liberal

yes

I fully reject

I endorse a Taliban version of Khan

what's the difference between that

liberalism basically promotes drugs it

promotes only fans it promotes

prostitution it promotes

hyper individualism

yeah yeah it also promotes

um grooming children it promotes the

LGBT movement

it promotes you know

um

the Democratic party and the ins and it

promotes The Establishment it promotes

voting for Democrats it promotes uh you

know going to war overseas it promotes

everything that the mainstream media

says pretty much

almost

and you know the political correctness

in this pandemic era we have gone

through

too much conspiracies like Illuminati

Lucifer I think they are just a

specified capitalist

to divert us from our groups are the

Illuminati and they are

loyal to Lucifer

no they may be Illuminati but it is not

a devil they are they will worship a

devil as a Powers they do words of the

devils

Balenciaga local worshipers they do

worship the devil

what's our views on the population

agenda

yes

they want to they want to reduce the

population

but uh why they want to do so what's the

goal

the goal is to preserve their monopolies

the more there's Humanity the more

Humanity there is

uh let's not rep change the title back

to the original one this this is

okay

let me get my views on this there's a

data which shows that from 1988 to 2017

1980 2017 top one percent has

polluted the planet more than top of 50

poor people

top one percent people have spread more

pollution than the top 50 poor people

so this may be caused that I don't want

to change my lifestyle for climate

change and if you want to reduce the

effect of climate change so just kill

the people

we will not compromise for our lives the

skill that we reduce the population

climate change will be in the balance

then we will continue enjoying our lives

yeah it's easy and um climate change is

uh well we can't really tell the truth

about it but I would investigate is it

let many lives were spread by the media

and the mainstream media and the elites

about climate change in order to enforce

the great reset agenda by Carl Schwab

and the world economics

change maybe not that much but climate

change is a reality I have been

observing that like we have heat waves I

am a farmer from India and our yield has

dropped it 15 to 20 percent

due to heat wave it could be uh

natural who knows but it it it doesn't

mean it's uh

that the answer to it is that we have to

reduce the things that actually feed

people and make Humanity well yes

then Wes physical promoting like you eat

bugs eat insects what the hell is this

here

I'm not going to eat any sex

we have enough food I

I agree they are yeah we should we

should Humanity should fight through any

changes instead of having to kill itself

the sacrifice itself for the elites the

elites see Humanity as a burden but what

Humanity needs to do is flourish like

never before

and their Spirit lies like that humidity

is a parasite on the nature we are not

present on the nature we are the part of

the nature like other species I agree

cricket flower

they have crushed the cricket to make

his flower I agree all right thank you

so much sir and that was a great talk we

were gonna have some other of the

contest uh people to step up to debate

Indie television

you you heard my affirmative thesis if

you're not familiar with it that there

is no meaningful sense in which someone

in the United States can be a communist

without also being a Maga communist

that's my argument what is your counter

argument

I disagree with that totally

I believe I believe that uh communism is

incompatible totally with uh Mega

as a movement

okay why is it

because uh

Maga was designed it was it was for

small government

you know protecting our borders and

capitalism

it was not for Communists not it has

nothing to do with Communism well if

it's for capitalism why is the Maga

movement so against the big woke

corporations

why shouldn't they just submit to woke

corporations then

or

no that they're trying to monopolize

they're trying to uh

that is basically

in my opinion the government and the

corporations are working hand in hand I

agree and I agree with that and uh yeah

they've they've taken over you know you

got the Twitter you got the FBI what do

you mean because to me that's what

capitalism is

no that's not what capitalism is that's

that's uh that's that's a mixture of

socialism

it's not socialism for us we don't

benefit from it they do they get

everything

no no I I mean um are you familiar with

uh like uh smile like Peter Schiff where

he talks about how it's really a lot of

socialism socialist policies and they

masquerade them as capitalism they're

not it is but it's it's socialist

policies for the capitalists Wall Street

bankers and you know Elites it's not for

our benefit it's not like they're

building canals and dams and new cities

for us they're not building socialist

Mega projects like they did under Stalin

or in China you know they're they're

doing it only to use it as a form of

corruption protect monopolies and create

red tape so that the actual common

people can never prosper

yeah I understand yeah but that that

that to me is it's a dirt here's the

thing right it's like fruit of a poison

tree once you start once you start

inserting a little bit of socialism into

what's a what's a what's traditionally a

capitalist uh Institution

the capitalism then it's like uh adding

that to the capitalism so then that

begins to take yeah but you realize you

realize capitalism created

a ruling class and the ruling class in

order to preserve its power started to

use a lot of socialist policies to stay

on top you know that right

no I I don't know that I don't believe I

don't I believe that one thing came to

be

I believe it's just greed that's just

it's a lot of just greed and uh sure

don't you how do you so did we start out

as socials or did we start out as

capitalism

we started at this capitalist let's

let's use the GI Bill for example how

did capitalism become socialism then

I'm gonna give you a perfect example the

GI Bill the GI bill right that was it

was developed to help soldiers go to

school

right are you familiar with it yeah I am

okay the government that that is

socialism

you insert that into into what's what

used to be a cheap

this college used to be very cheap once

they inserted that the capitalist the

capitalism capitalism took over they

they realized they could get a handout

from the government so they upped up

they up to tuition they upped the price

which is which is but that's not that's

not true if if there was no interference

from the government that wouldn't have

happened wait do you know what year the

GI bill was passed

um I'm not I I I I have a GI bill it's

something like I don't remember I don't

know exactly because I'm pretty sure the

GI Bill

that was in 44 okay so College was cheap

in the 70s

College was cheap in the 60s the GI bill

that was World War II that was in 1944

and it expired in 56. so the cheap nice

College people used to enjoy that was

because free market capitalism they used

to be able to go to college people

should be able to go to college

we're talking and we're talking even as

early as the 70s people used to be able

to go to college the problem is actually

the opposite what happened is that the

colleges

started to become Mega corporations and

it became an industry and then you had

another problem is that all the jobs

went overseas so instead of having

well-paying jobs you know too many

people started going to college and too

many people started trying to become

professional and that you know put a

strain on the college industry and now

we have record tuition prices

yeah but there's also there's also the

government debt it what I'm saying is

these are the debt aspect too but that

comes from the Federal Reserve banking

system that comes from the private

banking system in the city of London you

know that comes from the banking system

that's all from you know capitalism

here's what I'm saying I understand what

you're saying I I I agree with you but

what I'm saying is the the the the

government right now the United States

system right now is not true capitalism

it is a it's a hybrid and it's not it's

not indicative I agree with you but I'm

just trying to say there's a reason we

went from A to B now the only way we're

if you're talking about a Freer Market

I agree we should have a Freer Market

unless red tape but you need to have a

strong not necessarily big but a strong

firm government

that will be able to hold that together

to have the room to have that because if

you don't have a strong Incorruptible

government and it's just going to be

taken over by the richest person we're

going to be back to square one

yeah I agree with that I agree I agree

with what you're saying yeah we don't

want the government to take over

everything we just want a simpler

government with less regulations and

less red tape and we just want them to

take over things like you know the oil

industry and things that you can't have

a market for you can't really have a

market for you know these giant you know

public utilities and energy and all this

stuff

but we also want we just want the

government to be much more Dynamic too

and flexible and then we want it to

promote markets

you know just China has more of a free

market than we do if you don't know that

I mean it's easier in China to just

start out as a vendor selling stuff on

the street there's no regulations they

don't have the red tape we have here you

can just start out and that's what we

want here too but we also want to ensure

that

we have a system that serves the people

because we're going to have a little

socialism either it's going to be

socialism either way you know the old

days of capitalism where it's all every

man for himself that's not going to

happen though we don't live in that

world

so what we need to do is we need to have

a communism for the people instead of

for the corrupt Elites

I understand but I I don't believe I

don't believe in communism you know uh

and I don't believe it's compatible with

the the core movement of Maga you know

I'm I'm a double Trump voter I think so

because Maga wants to bring the jobs

back doesn't it

yeah mag was bringing jobs back but if

you want to bring the jobs back you're

going to have to do you're gonna have to

understand that's something you can only

do when you take into consideration the

common interest

and the Commonwealth right if you're

just if you're just leaving it to profit

it's not going to work why because the

first of all money's fake from the

Federal Reserve they just print it out

it's not backed by anything it's just

fake I agree with you I agree with you

there and then second of all you know

you can't even make it in this you know

you will get a glass ceiling if you ever

get it so far and then these hedge funds

and Wall Street will approach you and

they'll say hey you want to go farther

you have to uh submit to us and do what

we say and if you don't they'll bankrupt

you you know so entrepreneurs can't even

get

they can't even get

um to the top without joining the

establishment

which you know usually

honestly you know just gobbles up

whatever they have and destroys it so if

you want to bring the jobs back we need

a a government policy we need an

industrial policy that is specifically

planned for this goal it needs to be a

plan an economic plan right you can't

just you know leave it to itself because

it's not going to happen then right but

you know as Americans

all every real American

wants to have the most amount of Freedom

possible I agree with that we don't want

to plan everything but we need to have

an overarching economic plan we know

what we're doing

and then coupled with that plan maximal

freedom and liberty economically for

people to improvise and innovate and

that that you know that great Wild West

mentality we have we want to promote

that but in order to do see here's the

thing in order for the individual to

thrive you need a strong community and

you need a strong

um

you need a strong country and if you

don't have that the individual will not

be able to thrive because you'll just

have corporations or you'll have other

gangs or Warlords you'll have other

people take over individuals will not

have the space

that you know do their own thing

okay I understand what you're saying but

here's his problem his problem communism

it's a loaded term it's been it's been

it's been used before

you know by people that are were frankly

anti-American they they did not compat

they they were not compatible with

American ideals

uh China is not compatible with American

ideals and neither was uh the USSR you

know Venezuela everybody who's tried

communism but look Russia had a

communism for Russia China's got a

communism for China and they're all

different from here right so you're

saying you said you could have started

American version it'll be an American

version and you know if you look at the

history of American Communists we're we

are it we're not told about this history

right because you know the media

uh

uh lies to us and you know that the

history books that we're told in public

schools they're all only approved by the

very same big you know government you

had the FBI with the Red Scare and all

that stuff the truth is

Communists in history in American

history

were carrying the legacy of 1776 and the

founding fathers and all Communists

throughout history were pro-american

Revolution they praised the history of

America they admired America what

America was and they were trying to

defend our civil liberties and take

World War one you want to talk about

when the Federal Reserve really started

taking over it's right before World War

One a few years before World War One

World War One happens and Americans

don't want to go to Europe to fight a

damn War what does that do with us right

the bankers here

tried to do as much propaganda as

possible to get us into that war to go

fight the bankers Wars in Europe and

some of the only people who stood up

were Communists like Eugene Debs that

man ran for president in prison

and he's still got a million votes and

he was put in prison just for speaking

out against American troops having to go

die in a foreign war or a foreign

interest and for you know a ruling class

that doesn't care about

the what America stands for right to me

that's a real Patriot a real Patriot to

me is not someone like George W bush who

wants to you know to go to Iraq and want

it to go all over the world to be and

for Israel and to be the World Police a

real American Patriot is somebody like

Eugene Debs who stands up to the

government and defends our liberties I

think that's what the founding fathers

would have wanted well here's the thing

right we we could always criticize you

know George Bush you know but at the

time I believe I believe given the facts

he was given at the moment

maybe not Iraq but definitely

Afghanistan you know but here's what I'm

saying like you talk about revisionist

history but then you know you're like

you know you break it up you know your

cobby's version of History you know

who's to say what's the objective

version of history is you know what

actually happened

you know if we're gonna go there man

everybody do their own research that's

what I recommend always yeah I I did my

own research you know I mean and I I

appreciate your Viewpoint I do but and

uh but I I don't believe you know I

don't believe it's uh because of because

because of what communism stands for

it's

it's not it's not what people who voted

for Trump

were thinking about when they were

voting for Trump it's kind of to me a

hijack I don't I don't think people in

this country in general are educated

about communism We're Not educated about

it and there's a reason for that is

because the same globalists who the

Trump the Maga people were fighting

against you can admit that right they

were fighting against the globalists

well yeah yeah of course who were the

ones that started the Cold War and

started through a crusade against

communism and you know the USSR in

America were friends during World War II

and Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Stalin

were friends they were good friends they

liked each other and then what happened

is that uh Roosevelt dies and the

British and the CIA and the globalists

they put Truman in charge and all of a

sudden we hate Russia now we hate the so

we hate Communists and stuff so

a lot of our history that we're I agree

Americans don't really you know when

they think of Communism most people are

thinking of

big government and they're thinking of a

scary you know totalitarianism but you

gotta admit

you know how do you know it's not

propaganda how do you how do you know

that's not what it actually is you know

because

we are fed so many lies about everything

you know you see how they lie about

everything so what's to say they're not

lying about communism too

so you're saying you're saying in

communism right you're saying American

communism it wouldn't basically be what

the Waf is peddling like you will own

nothing and be happy because I don't

know as far as I'm concerned Americans

will own much more than ever before own

Farms own homes I mean look at China

it's not going to be China so I'm not

saying this to say oh we're going to be

like China I'm just saying China has a

90 ownership rate compared to our like

35 percent

we don't want people to have to rent we

don't want people to have to live in

homes owned by the government we want

people to own their own shit we just

don't want the banks to own it right so

you know what I'm saying it's not about

the government owning and it's it's it's

uh it's about the people owning it

instead of the banks because the banks

own everything right now they I mean

look at truckers a lot of truckers own

their own trucks but they're in debt

because the banks own it and they got to

pay the banks right foreign

trucks it's homes it's businesses they

own everything got everybody by the

balls we have so much debt in this

country and the reason they justify that

debt is they say oh well if we forgive

the debt oh that's going to be communism

and so they're gonna they want to scare

the hell out of people about what

communism is because the banks want to

keep people in debt we're not trying to

we just want people to own it instead of

we just here's what I'm trying to say we

want people to own things we don't want

things to own people we don't want money

to own people we don't want debt to own

people we want people to own it we and

if people own it that means they're

using it for a reason right we we're not

against people owning things to use

things as they please and to do things

as they please we're just against

you know people being exploited and

we're against Banks owning everything

okay I understand but here's the thing

about cat here's the thing about our

current system

you I've I've watched several guys uh

start trucking businesses and you do not

have to take that route it's not like uh

you have to be uh yeah you're working to

the bank you could start a business with

cash in your pocket it'll just take you

longer but you can still get there

I started this with five thousand

dollars

and I I got there I got I got to making

decent money and I didn't take on any

debt

yeah but it's possible I think yeah it

is possible it's possible to do that

with a home as well it's possible to

have a lot of other things the problem

is that it's not viable for most people

you know most people

they're not going to be able to do that

right and also it's see credit is not

necessarily a bad thing it's just that

these banks are predatory which means

they prey on people and they don't

actually have a plan for people to ever

pay the debt back they just do it

because they want to capitalize on the

debt and that's what our system is built

around and that's the problem

credit is not necessarily a bad thing

now I would give you an example of this

if you end up being a promising popular

business you know

if someone wants to invest in that and

say hey here's a here's a investment or

here's a debt for you to go and uh

expand

that's not that's not a bad thing the

problem is when you start capitalizing

on the interest that's usury right

that's the problem yeah users yeah when

they start capitalizing on the interest

because at that point you're making

money just out of money not out of hard

work right

that's correct yeah so that's really the

problem is that there's see a lot of

people

want to be able to prove themselves and

and another thing too is that the reason

a lot of people take on the trucking job

is they want the economic Liberty and

Independence that comes with that right

you're right American citizens who are

living in a country whose forefathers

fought for our Liberty

and fought for our freedom we don't want

to be slaves working for you know

working at fuck you know fucking

McDonald's for a a boss and having no

freedom in our lives and we don't want

that Americans don't want that

why the government does so much for

these corporations they do so much for

the banks they do so much why don't they

do something for the people where

they're not giving us a handout but they

just give us the chance to start our on

our own two feet and build something

with our own two hands right why would

that be so hard why can't they build

better infrastructure why can't they

build a better market right build a

better context for the market right they

should build cities for example when's

the last time we had a City built never

right you look at Los Angeles and New

York it's a hellhole imagine if we built

a new city how many new businesses could

start how many new people can make a

livelihood off of that right imagine if

we built infrastructure we built

revamped our transportation system I

mean there's so much we can do that

could create Opportunities For The

Individual but instead of doing that

instead of creating opportunities for

the individual

the government works its ass off making

sure monopolies are happy you know

squeezing out whatever dime they can off

of the Federal Reserve printed money

that's fake in the first place

you know so yeah

okay but that's what communism is

because what communism means is that

it's not profits in command it's the

common people in command the common

people are ruling the country

so and it's my in Maga you have to admit

this too Maga may not be communist at

least it doesn't know that it's

communist but Maga is a movement of

common people it's a common people's

interest right Maga says this were here

we're the common people

and it's not bought out by the

corporations it's not bought out

by the ruling Elites it's common people

trying to come together and fight for

their common interests right against the

great reset against George Carl Schwab

Soros and Bill Gates and his

depopulation agenda that to me that's

what communism means it's just that's

what it always meant we were just lied

about it too you know let me tell you

something Russia and China had a very

they had some ugly things happen in

their history right but you got to

understand they started out in a

different place and they're completely

different countries they started out

with brutal monarchies and they were

colonized like China was they had a

warlord era I mean it was tough there

right they also had to industrialize

from scratch without taking any British

loans and without having any access to

the Technologies from the West so of

course they had a rocky Head Start but

at the end you know at the end of it

the Russians managed to build something

out of nothing right so Churchill said

Stalin he came to the Russia where they

you know they had wooden wagons and he

left Russia with nuclear weapons Mao

same thing right China was the most

backward shithole you can imagine by the

time mile left they had a national

industrial system they were producing

some Mo some of the most Iron and steel

in the world

they you know they had a they had a type

of economy that could feed people have

medicine educate people just the bare

bones on the basics

now Americans we're starting off from a

different place we're not going to have

to we don't have to do all of that we

don't have to go from being you know in

the back woods

to an industrial country that's an ugly

process it always has been everywhere

right I mean here in America

we had the wild west we had the Indians

we had all this crazy shit happen to

become civilized like how we are now

right that's in the past we're not going

back to that

so we're already a wealthy prosperous

country why don't we have a government

that works for the people

that's what I'm saying so I have a

question I have a question yeah the

covet the covet protocols the you had to

take a shot you wouldn't describe that

as communism you wouldn't describe that

as like I would not um

of big Pharma that's big Pharma so big

Pharma you know they're doing it

ultimately it goes back to the banks but

big Pharma

well I don't you know I'm on YouTube

right now so I really can't talk to that

no uh okay all right we'll go to a

different subject what I'm saying a

little hint at it though because I'll

just okay go ahead

but basically speaking of big Pharma you

know

that

that

um they have Technologies

special ones

that were not allowed in China

and that's why China was doing the

lockdowns because they were not

accepting those Technologies from

American big Pharma

because the Chinese didn't trust those

Technologies right

so it's probably suspicious you know

because and we're looking at new reports

I'm sure you're familiar with everything

that's going on with that we can't

really get into the details but I'm you

know I'm sure you're familiar with

what's going on

the after effects and how a lot of

people had lied about it and the CDC and

stuff but we're not we can't really get

into it

but no I don't I don't think that's

communism because if it was communism

uh it would be based on the people's

interests

right and I'll give you an example of

that so China had these lockdowns I'm

sure you're familiar with them right

mm-hmm

so China had those lockdowns in place

really harsh ones and then people

started saying in China hey this is

bullshit we don't want this right

so what did the Chinese government do

they said all right that's what the

people want we're gonna go with what the

people want

and they opened up

and now the Western media is saying

China is so bad everyone's dying of

covert and China because they're opening

up

but child the reason China open up is

they're not going to force something

against the Chinese people's will they

don't want right whereas yeah you look

at what happened here

something was forced against us to serve

you know the big capitalists

or you you can call them the big

uh socialist capitalists if you want to

call them that it's you know I don't I I

believe there I believe it's it's really

socialism masquerade is capitalism I

don't believe that the the way that the

state is set up right now it's actually

even really capitalism I believe they're

really socialists they're really down

with a globalist agenda

in something called the city of London

now the city of London is a network of

private banks that I'm familiar with it

it's like uh

for-profit basis so that's why we call

it capitalism now I agree with you we

don't have a capitalist Market a free

market and also things for us are not

able to be on a for-profit basis right

but at the root cause of it you are

looking at

profit is still driving this network of

sen you know Banks set in central banks

in the city of London the Federal

Reserve it's a it's a it's a form of

profit that's no longer based on hard

work but it's still a form of profit

that they're making see the government

works for their profit instead of our

interests because if they work for our

interests they would build real things

and they would promote real hard work

you know instead of just promoting and

printing money they're printing money

because there's a select few people that

are profiting off of this so our society

is actually based on profit right now

right

so some way I I believe it's more based

on power than probably because it's both

their power is in the form of the

Prophet right so our society is based on

the profit of an elite few even though

we do have a socialistic system but that

socialistic system only serves the

profits of the elite few

okay I understand what you're saying all

right yeah but here's here's from my

viewpoint as a mega voter I believe

we're already pretty much you're saying

you want to start a Mac of Communism and

I believe Maga was basically against

communism This Global form of copy this

is that already exists that you know

whatever socialism whatever you want to

call it I think Maga should

adopt communism

because this is why at the end of the

day what communism is actually about

is it's about the working class

now we're against globalism we're

against the globalists and they're

globalist socialism right

but at the end of the day Maga is about

the working class

and because Maga is about the working

class

sorry but and because communism is about

to work in class we're saying maga's

being hijacked right now Ron DeSantis is

you know coming from Left Field Trump

he's not going Trump doesn't have his

own I mean Trump just endorsed Kevin

McCarthy again for speakership and as

far as the directional manga is

concerned there's all sorts of predators

that are coming to try and corrupt it I

mean even Trump's presidency a lot of

special interests uh you know had Trump

buy the balls you know Israel all that

stuff so if it's based in the Working

Class People who earn through hard work

if it's based in their interests

then it won't be based in the interests

of the capitalists Elite it'll be based

on the working people so magosh should

be by Foreign of the interest of the

Working Man

and to me that is what communism is

I just grew chair because here's the

thing right if you're if you're a

communist country you're your ultimate

goal is to go Global if you go Global

you solve a lot of a lot of the issues

that the former uh Soviet Union and all

these other common States ran into

you've got to go Global so to me

the powers that be they've already at

the very top level they've already gone

communist and I believe the reason why

Trump is getting so much Flack is

because he was not with

the the Communist agenda the the

whatever we want to call it whatever the

globalist well that that is true for

Trotsky so there was a guy named Leon

Trotsky right

so when Russia had a REV a Communist

Revolution can you still hear me

yeah I'm still here I'm familiar yeah it

froze a little bit

well you just let me know when you when

you can't hear me anymore

I'll let you know

so Russia had a Communist Revolution

and they had a guy named Leon Trotsky

and

box sake

got a region

all right my bad the temporarily froze

um

it just disconnected me so Russia can

you hear me yeah I hear you so Russia

had a Communist Revolution

and there was a guy named Leon Trotsky

and what Trotsky said was that it's got

to go Global right it's got to be though

we gotta take take over

we this whole thing's got to be the

whole world and he collaborated with the

British intelligence because you know

there's already a British Empire the

British Empire was Global right

yeah we fought to be free of the British

Empire

so Trotsky was a agent of the British

and all these other people

so

that was Trotsky but Trotsky was kicked

out by Stalin because Stalin said you

know Trotsky he's just serving the

British he's just serving the ruling

class he's not serving the working

people of Russia they don't want to have

to go Global they want to focus on their

own issues so Stalin said it's socialism

in one country

not Global right

and then that's the version of Communism

that was in China and most of the rest

of the world North Korea even so that's

the one I'm talking I'm but here's the

thing about Trotsky I agree with some of

what you're saying

because trotsky's followers in America a

lot of them took power now we went to

the Iraq War because some of these

people like Irving Crystal they were

trotskius com former Trotsky as they

claim right and they wanted to go around

the world waging Wars to create that you

know global system which is really just

the new British Empire

and uh but that's that's you know that's

just serving the British Empire that's

not really that's not the communism we

saw in history that's just uh you know

that's their version

yeah yeah and I I believe I believe that

the ideological you know the strains of

the ideology they've you know they've

branched a lot but they're all basically

coming together if you kind of get what

I'm saying well I mean you know he was

killed by Stalin he was yeah Stalin yeah

you know in Mexico Stalin killed that

guy because he was you know he was a

menace he was a bad bad guy

so here's basically what I'm saying

right

I think

the choice is either the globalist

Socialism or a communism

in one country like Stalin said

and that's what I think Maga communism

is it's an it's for one country it's not

for the whole world it's for America and

it's for only America

I understand what you're saying I I

believe I believe that that's basically

impossible because we have a global

supply chain so you're gonna have to we

should we should have relationships with

other countries based on agreements and

deals

instead of a British Empire which is at

the gunpoint because that's not the

American way Americans don't believe in

that why we want want a firm handshake

and that's how we want to negotiate our

relationship to other countries in the

world

okay well we we just have to agree to

disagree but it was nice talking to you

I appreciate it yes nice talking

all right

all right so uh we're gonna have Wonder

World go next

all right so um

what are the exact metaphysical

implications for communism magazines

communism is materialist

hello

yeah

can you hear me I can hear you yeah

yeah so the metaphysical implications

for communism are materialists in nature

Maga is based off of a like a new myth

for America so how did those two like

coincide

what is the new myth

about America

as an idea

can you be more like it just seems like

a lot like it just seems like a LARP

like it's very contrived like putting

this communist element into into maggot

mag is like it's not about the working

class or this this like very formalistic

economics

okay so do you think that um Chinese

communism was formalistic economics

uh well Charter is not exactly Orthodox

like Marxism so there was so then it's a

kind of a non-starter because you're

basically beginning with the premise

that communism has never been tried

quote unquote and that there's there's

no Orthodox Marxism in history besides

oh there is Paris called me and I'd say

okay so that

no you know what let's let's actually

roll with that

according to you the IRS commune was

just a formalistic economic theory and

it didn't have all these phrases about

freedom and French patriotism which was

very much there because of the Franco it

was anarchistic

doesn't matter it was the very much of

French spiritual atmosphere because of

the franco-prussian War uh it was

hearkening back to the days of the

French Revolution it was a it was

definitely based on a quote-unquote myth

so I I have to explain to you something

that human beings are not robots so if

you think you're going to have a mass

movement based on formalistic economic

theories

I would probably just call that mental

illness nowhere in the pages of anything

Marx or angles ever wrote

was this caricature of materialism ever

Justified

uh you're calling it

what they actually did refer to what

you're talking about is vulgar

materialism which they continually

derided as nonsense having nothing to do

with anything they were saying and

materialism doesn't eliminate the human

aspect

things it doesn't eliminate art it

doesn't eliminate you know spirituality

it doesn't eliminate the soul it just

recognizes factors that in engels's

words were never given any attention

before such as the need for human beings

to actually feed themselves put a roof

over their head and things like that

before they just said oh wait for heaven

you know this world is cursed whatever

so materialism is not about

formalism actually formalism is idealist

uh the Soviet Union called formalism a

form of idealism this formalistic

thinking did exists there it's a

Bourgeois form of mechanical idealism

well the whole point of Marx is how he

he flipped Hegel hegel's dialectic on

his head and got rid of the the

essential myth and spirit sure I think I

think you're just talking about like a

bunch of platitudes that have actually

nothing to do with Marx you're talking

about things you probably have heard so

Marx was not a materialist is what

you're saying

Mark did not deny God and the idea as

having Primacy and instead viewed that

the material world okay

what is a synonym for form

in philosophy

you tell me

okay I'll start Plato's theory of forms

what is used as a the idea to perform

the platonic form is the idea right

exactly so you just said formalism is

materialist but it's actually idealist

no I I meant formalistic in terms of

this in terms of that is idealism that

is idealism at best Marx might call it

mechanical or vulgar materialism but he

doesn't he doesn't recognize that as a

true form of materialism the only real

form of materialism is dialectical

so when you're talking about stuff like

myths I think that's something that

probably belongs to the realm of

phenomenology or something or you know

or cultural Theory I don't know what

what do you mean by myth what is this

what are you saying like you don't

realize that

um

great changes in history I mean I think

I think you're calling you're saying

things are mythical

I think that's not it's rooted in a myth

though no it's not rooted in this purely

mechanical that's exactly what I mean

the burden of proof is upon you to

establish this

very

um mechanical vulgar form of formalism

as somehow a viable uh representation of

reality before you start calling other

things myths because the things that you

call myths I would probably just call

reality

thank you

no but when I say reality I mean in

terms of this like purely material

reality that's not the reality that's

not reality that's a how is that in any

way real what like even in the realm of

like science if you want to call it that

that has no place in modern science I

mean like modern physics has completely

eliminated the possibility for any kind

of formalism

uh is an accurate way of describing

reality

the Marxist thought of reality is in

that way okay where can you

please is there anything written by

marks or angles to indicate that

the Paris call me in

hey can you be I'm pretty sure that was

not a writing by Marx or Engels but he

supported the Paris Colombian what about

the Paris

commune was devoid of what you would

qualify as myth

antifa is basically a modern day version

of what the Paris commune was it's

devoid event at this point I know at

this point you're just rolling

no it's true and also just look at that

atheism the atheism of Marx that that's

nobody cares

Paris communion was not uh Marx did not

he did he discouraged the Paris the

Paris one at a time okay

um here's what I'm gonna have to tell

you okay

uh as far as the materialism of Marx is

concerned

and his atheism is concerned

the truth is that and if you don't have

the ability to appreciate

the

philosophical rigor

of where Marx was coming from

you can't make any simplistic judgments

or assertions like Marx meant something

very specific

by his rejection

of you know Theology and his rejection

of religion

and

we don't we never actually see evidence

of Marx calling himself an atheist but

we do see Marx critiquing atheism

and I'm not necessarily saying that I

think Marx was a religious person

or

affirmed his his belief in the existence

of God I just think he left it open

because he no longer considered it

he no longer considered the question of

atheism to be of any essential

significance

did Mark's not polemicize Plato and all

the all the philosophical history of the

West which is rooting the idea and he

criticized it on the basis that it

wasn't materialist I mean he was a fan

of democratus was he not

you mean epicurus

yeah epicurus

um I don't think this was something Marx

did specifically know I think Marx you

know Marx was coming from the background

of the young hegelians so the criticism

of religion and the criticism of

idealism accomplished by foyerbach

it was old news it was like Marx was not

the one who started Marx was

coming from there he would he was not

the originator of this

yeah but he was in that school of

thought which is my exact point but

that's not what made his contributions

unique it was his criticism of that

school of thought that gave rise to the

philosophical Foundation of Marxism

which is what exactly and how is that

relevant to today

I would call the foundation for Marx to

be a dialectical form of materialist

humanism

where he basically said

that

man

has a material being that encompasses

the whole of his spiritual uh

um

Heights right the height of his

spirituality is encompassed by the

material being a man it's not a

reductionism it's an acknowledgment of

man as a real thing something real

something living

and remarks the reality of ideas

was a reality accounted for by the

material being a man now that material

being of man is not itself some kind of

substance

it's just for Mark's ideas are actually

real in the world they actually have a

living existence they're not it's not a

dead formalistic letter it's not some

formalism

so that was Marx's hegelian background

and Marx's materialism stemmed from the

fact that he rejected

he rejected the formal premise of Hegel

which was the platonic idea now where

God figures into this

is ambiguous from Marx's perspective

because God is actually not an idea

God is not a thought either

and the way Revel the tradition of

Revelations

sorry the revelatory tradition of

abrahamic religions at least talks about

God

seems to be talking about something

material seems to be talking about

something beyond the threshold of our

thoughts and our ideas

that's what

that's heresy oh it's heresy okay I

think it's actually heresy to call God a

form or call God an idea because that

makes God finite instead of being

infinite

no God is the most God is the ultimate

being

the ultimate being I agree with you but

the identification of being with

thoughts or ideas is a form of idolatry

and you're worshiping thoughts just like

idolaters who worship statues created by

hand you're worshiping thoughts created

by the mind of man

I think that's actually uh theoretical

no because the way the way it works is

that the world is the objectification of

God of the most real being and that is

why the phenomenon is is secondary in

that way to the form and that's why

Plato rooted rooted the forms as having

ontological premises over the world of

sense the world I'm saying the world

you're saying the world you're saying

God is the pride the most ultimate form

of being the real form of being

yeah so how does this in any way Elevate

the Primacy a form

the form in the in the platonic sense

yeah the form in the platonic sense

is

yeah that's the form of logos that's the

idea okay

but it's also Essence no for Plato

there's a reduction of essence to form

but that's idolatry just like reducing

the essence of the Divine to a statue

which is a form is idolatry reducing it

to the form of thought the ultimate form

of thought is also idolatry

you realize for Plato

form his mind

that's what ultimately it is it's the

way the mind is creating reality

no mind accesses the forms but the forms

is something that is

that because of our of our ideas

form is the cause of our idea form is

taking

the after effect which is human thought

reifying it as a God and saying that's

the premise of all reality that's what

Plato did

I think you have It reversed no I am

beautiful I think

uh I don't care right now

Plato was trying to say that reality is

premised by idea right

yeah

okay

so he's saying that that was what is

different from that from saying this

reality is premised by this statue

because the statue is not idea it's just

the the statues

it's not a but yeah but it's a form

given and sense perception it's not a

form

it has to be built it's not given it's

it has to be built

built by by who or by what

my people

yeah but man doesn't create the forms

that's the whole thing

I would object to that because I would

say that that you think God is created

by man no God created man including the

mind of man including the thoughts of

man and all ideas

God created all the ideas man has

so is so is God an idea then or is God

no you're saying God is an idea I'm

saying God

is a reality beyond the threshold of

ideas beyond the threshold of language

and Beyond the threshold of thought

because that's how we access God

why don't you read the Bible and read

the New Testament read the Quran if you

believe that it's all through this very

so it's through this Sublime medium

through the medium of the sublime which

is

the weight which is thought Revelation

is no it's not Revelation is not

philosophy Revelation is the exposure to

a Sublime reality usually through

something like something poetically

mediated

it does not fit within the box of an

idea or a form it's beyond the threshold

of that

but it's not given to us as a phenomenon

no it uses phenomena to give expression

to something greater

but it's actually through phenomena yes

it is when the mosing when the burning

bush

told Moses I am what I am that was

through phenomena

the phenomena is just the veil it's the

it's the Maya

our phenomena

paganistic terms I don't really what do

you mean thank you PJ in Hinduism it's

essential we're talking about the

abrahamic religions all right we're not

talking about Hinduism

all right well it's in it's also in the

kantian sense that it's it's a

representation he's also building from

Plato

yeah so that is neat that is classical

it's a representation you're mistaking

it's not a representation

so you're saying you know it's not a

representation

well how can we have access to it if

it's not through a representation

access to what

to the phenomenal world the phenomenal

world

is creation creation is not a

representation it's creation it's

created being

created by whom

by God what do you mean by who so you so

you're a Cartesian then

that is that's just pure no Descartes no

it was actually Descartes who formalized

the whole history of Philosophy by

saying yeah I actually am just reducing

being the thought which was actually

ambiguous before Descartes Descartes is

the one who cemented the identification

of being with thought which is something

you seem to be doing as well when you

identify god with thought

that what you're doing is you're you're

posing yourself as the Cartesian subject

and God has given you these objects to

perceive that is that is no no God no

I'm I am positioning myself as part of

God's creation

so you're just one of of all the all the

uh no it is the no it's the most Supreme

creation of God

obviously

I mean that's what the whole point of

the humanism aspect is

so God is the world essentially is what

you're saying no you're like no no it's

just that the reality of God is revealed

to us through the world

obviously it is

it's revealed see the philosophers not

directly the philosophers who began as

pagans wanted to say that the reality of

God is revealed to us through the mind

that is in direct contradiction to the

revelatory tradition of the abrahamic

religions where God always revealed his

reality or his message to us through the

world

it was never through pure and from Pure

thinking or pure contemplation

that was with the philosophical cope

that came afterwards that's philosophers

who tried to assimilate the revelatory

Traditions which they always hated and

always resented

uh and that is if you read the Bible you

don't get any contemplative philosophy

there you get poetry if you read the

Bible it's the same thing with all the

other holy books you don't get this

contemplative pure thought pure mind

this is all coming from Greek and Roman

paganism

it actually comes from Plato and the way

yes it's the same way that the salt the

sand is yes Greek and Roman paganism

what I said

yeah but that's the same in Christianity

that you access God through the soul the

soul is not the mind

where has it ever been claimed in the

New Testament that the soul is reducible

to the mind I mean that's just the

volume

of the Soul no the soul is just as much

evident in healing and in emotion and in

art and things like that the soul is not

just the pure contemplative mind

but you think the soul is material

that's the hope of course I do

then where is this material soul that we

can identify is it the heart no you just

that I said the soul is material now

you're saying is the soul reducible to a

form of immaterial reality no it's not

the soul being material just means that

it dwells within the material it's

through the material that the soul

realizes itself but the soul is not

actually reducible to anything that we

can make intelligible in reality

why do you why are you making it seem

like material being is a tangible

substance fully accessible to the

intellect

it's not because that's that's what Mark

that's what all materialists and marks

no Mark said the exact opposite material

that is not what Mark said with Marx

mocked boyerbach and the materialists

those types of materialists for saying

you I mean read Marx's thesis on

foyerbach it's an 11 Point thesis Marx

accuses foyerbach of only taking

consideration matter in the one-sided

form that is fully intelligible to the

intellect and to thought and to ideas

Mark said foyerbach doesn't actually

respect or acknowledge material reality

in its actual material being because if

he did that you would recognize the

significance for example of the

proletarian class in the class struggle

and the reality of man which he didn't

concern himself with

and if you actually look at the

abrahamic religions

and study them you will find that they

very much do Orient man to care about

the world he lives in to care about the

reality of man around him the Quran is

especially the specially the case here

because it deals with the direct like

day-to-day you know

the Islamic tradition in general

directly deals like okay what do we do

as far as uh how do we take care of the

poor how do we do this how do we do that

I mean

these are not you are talking about some

Gnostic heresy that doesn't have its

Origins

this is the kernel this is the kernel of

Christianity Jesus my kingdom my kingdom

is not of this world that that if you

truly love Christ and God you'll realize

that this world is is is impure in a way

and that's the realm yeah it's about the

realm you said it's not he said it's not

of this world but it is of the world

that Believers create

in the community of Believers which is

here on Earth

it's not it's in heaven it's something

otherworldly what is yeah but

this other worldliness is a fact of

reality and being

there's something about being itself

that is otherworldly

and what Christ's message was was for us

to acknowledge that

instead of instead of turning and

worshiping and I uh

idols and things that are immediate in

Here and Now

Christianity

this world the

the Realms of like uh of this world

are some the existence is is like in

direct opposition to the essence that's

Christian gnosticism that's gnosticism

that's true Christianity that's the

problem with Marxism it's that it's

materialist and humanist I think you're

talking about some kind of Gnostic

heresy you're using you're using phrases

like existence versus the essence this

is philosophical language nowhere to be

found directly speaking in the New

Testament

does but are you saying like Christian

the whole Christian worldview and

Christian ethics are based off of

rejection of the worldly another like

Embrace of the spiritual world no you

seem to be saying that though I want to

remind you that at best you could

probably at best you're probably talking

about one version of Christianity which

is Western Christianity

uh whereas the Orthodox Christianity is

the same it's absolutely not the same

they practice asceticism

so they're even more Orthodox priests

can still get married and still live

their lives

have children

why do you think they all rejected

communism when the Bolsheviks arrived

but they did they recognize it's this

worldly no they didn't all and if the

Orthodox Church by the way in the

Orthodox establishment at the time of

the bolshevik's arrival was so

otherworldly why were they so deeply

corrupt and in and caught in

embezzlement and Corruption and sided

with the tsarist worldly

uh state in the most corrupt manner

why did they

um hunt down priests who raise the

peasant question and said hey peasants

can't get food what about that does the

so what you what to you this is

Christianity just outright corruption

and Injustice

by the way many orthodox

Greece

did Welcome the Bolsheviks actually

they cannot say nickel they canonized

the Czar Nicholas

and uh you're talking about in the 2000s

or the 90s

yeah in the Orthodox Church well we're

all over the place now because I'm

talking about at the time of the arrival

of the Bolsheviks

yeah but just because you can point to a

few instances of priests who who

welcomed the Bolsheviks doesn't mean the

modern day Russia Orthodox Church was

built within the USSR I you know that

right this is not bizarre's Orthodox

church anymore it's an institution that

was established

under Stalin

and they're still recovering from the

they're not recovering because if you go

to churches really then if you go to

church if you go to churches to this day

and you look at their um

well I forgot the name for it there's

they're they're glass murals or whatever

Stalin is there still

who's recovering

they may be recovering from the period

of Madness and nihilism of the 80s and

90s I agree with that

but

why is there an alliance between the

Orthodox church and the Communist Party

if what you're saying is true because

they're in a popular front with Putin no

no because the the church and the

Communist Party are Allied

in ways that the United Russia in the

church are not

meaning they both have the same their

hardliners the Communist party and the

Orthodox Church whereas United Russia

has a lot of liberals and pro-westerners

yeah well that's the distinction it's

not on a philosophical or religious

level it's really what about is a member

of the Orthodox Church are members of

the Orthodox Church the primary members

of the Communist party yes they are most

Communist party members are also

Believers and part of the Orthodox

Church

that doesn't discount the legacy of

bolshevism that killed priests and tried

to destroy Orthodox Christianity

did priests die in uh the history of the

Russian Empire and Muscovy yes they did

that's part of us but there wasn't there

wasn't an institutionalized

um institution institutionalized attack

on priests and the church itself yes

there was

no there wasn't the church was in

connection the church are you kidding

what about Peter the Great and his

assault on the church

yeah but he never declared war on

Christianity itself the Soviet States

was atheists the Soviet state never

declared war on Christianity not even

once

they did you know you're talking about

the league of militant atheists which

was a non-state actor which Stalin was

never a fan of and which when he got the

chance to after the great purges

he completely disbanded it and he

curtailed their activities to the point

of dissolution

that doesn't discount all the churches

that were bird and the priests that were

murdered and the the propaganda the way

the church was infiltrated by Freemasons

and infiltrated by satanists

uh for nearly 100 years under the

romanovs will you acknowledge that

is it just a coincidence then that that

the atheism of Marxism coincided with

with a state atheism of the Soviet Union

it's not a coincidence

exactly it's not

who said it was a coincidence it's not a

coincidence

and that's the um that's the essential

problem of magic communism

is that that Legacy of Communism even if

that's not what's used is the United

States of America from the days of the

founding fathers State atheist

no well we do have a separation of

church and state

yeah that's not the state atheist what's

the difference then

because State atheism enforces an

atheistic not true not true it actually

means like the same thing in a different

context means the state

is not

um you know

it means the state is not partial to any

religion so they call it atheism because

the state will not acknowledge

any establishment of religion

in its formal capacity now to say this

is essential to Marxism or communism is

not true but that is the history and I

agree that's the history but now you

have the Communist Party the Russian

Federation and if they ever were to get

to power that certainly wouldn't be the

case anymore because communism is a

history and it's a history of learning

and it's a history of development

and Communists today generally speaking

are no longer hostile

by toward religion

because Charlie's Communist party is

which Communist Party

CCP it's actually not

the cultural revolution the cultural

revolution it was it's not like they

were beginning from a place of religion

that Chinese Confucian Society

was never particularly religious in the

traditional sense

anyway so no it was spiritual that it

goes back to even though you don't think

the cultural revolution was spiritual

what do you think spirit it means

what do you mean

spiritual doesn't mean belief in

metaphysical superstitions spiritual

means

acknowledging uh you know this kind of

ephemeral reality of Art and ideas and

Consciousness and all these kinds of

things and the soul

that's what the whole cultural

revolution all tried to destroy no it

didn't it was literally called the

cultural revolution

because because it was an attack on the

cultural history of China

could he destroy the no that was the

destroy the four olds campaign

which didn't last forever by the way and

which ended

because at first it was uh it was

popular and then local party bosses used

it as a way to avoid accountability

and you know be tyrants Against The

Peasants so they rolled it back and then

what does that have to do with today's

China anyway though because today's

China remembers the legacy of the

cultural revolution including the

excesses and mistakes made then you're

faulting the history of communism

because of mistakes and errors that were

made as if what there were no mistakes

and errors made in the history of any

part of mankind man if you're a

Christian you understand man is

imperfect man is not God man will make

mistakes that doesn't mean

uh man is not the most prized of God's

creation and that doesn't mean that the

whole history of Communism can be

dismissed because of mistakes that were

made which Communists themselves

acknowledges mistakes it would be

arrogant to say if I make one mistake

everything I did was bullshit that's not

very Christian

yeah

with accidental mistakes they were they

were fundamental points of the ideology

of communism which is why they appear

across conversations whether they were

accidental or not is besides the point

they are still remembered as mistakes

not by all communists not by the

majority of Communists yes they are

actually that is actually the official

Canon within the Communist Party of

China That's official Canon and it was a

mistake

that were mistakes that's official Canon

yes

what about the CP USA

you mean the party that we're at war

with trying to take it over

yeah but they're they're your they're

your comrades CPA the cpusa is even more

more milk toast the cpusa

is not militant atheist and they're not

particularly Pro Mal or Pro Stalin and

they're even more you know they're maybe

you like the cpusa honestly because

they're extremely like soft on

everything relating to the history of

Communism where they say oh you know

we just want a liberalism basically and

you know so I don't know why I don't

know why you're bringing them up I mean

we're trying to take over that party

because when you talk about a communist

communist those are the people that

you're you're essentially saying

Communists had a hard time with religion

in history because we sat here and we

said we don't want people to be whores

and prostitutes for Bankers who sell

their daughters to be sex slaves for

bankers and we don't want Jeffrey

Epstein to rape children and then you

came and you said oh you're just

focusing too much on the world and

you're just so we said okay fuck it we

hate religion because this is just

bullshit but then later we realize

that's not actually what religion's

about it's just philosophy cells

hijacking the language of religion to

defend the elites and defend the

capitalist ruling class so that's where

we are now but if you want to talk about

why was there a misunderstanding in the

beginning probably because there was

people like you who defended

the bankers and the elites and the

capitalists in the name of religion

because you're saying we're focusing too

much on the world because we don't want

our children to be raped

I'm sorry that's communism was

anti-communism was against morality that

is then why was the USSR in every

communist state more profoundly moral

than any period of capitalist American

history

yes any period because every period of

capitalist American history had

prostitution

the founding period of yes there was

prostitution yes

and so did when the Soviet Union took

power they legalized prostitution

and abortion they legalized abortion

wait wait wait wait wait hold on

hold on

the Soviet Union legalized prostitution

now that is news

okay well maybe it wasn't legalized

um no it was not legalized or tolerated

in any capacity and there was a very

widespread and abortion was really

really it was the person written in

order during this it was the first

nation to legalize abortion

abortion no the Soviet Union had an

abortion crisis regardless of what the

law was

and they just couldn't keep throwing

women in jail for it because it was so

widespread but the the policy debate was

focused on preventing the cause of

abortion and reducing abortions it's

just that you're not going to reduce

abortions by throwing everyone in jail

because it's a widespread crisis of

women who wanted to abort their fetuses

because of the marriage crisis the chaos

of the Civil War but nobody was because

of the starvation that was caused by and

the Soviet Union was saying abortion was

a good thing no one was and then by the

time Stalin came to power it was made

criminalized so what's your point

you start to say that that the Soviet

Union was more moral than any period of

U.S history it's clearly false it was

it wasn't they've legalized abortion and

even if you look at the philosophy okay

okay then that's great when was abortion

illegal in the United States

uh well that was left up to the States

but in for most of its history it was

illegal

okay well the USSR never allowed babies

to be aborted at the seventh TriMet or

the fucking last trimester like seven

seven months in or eight months in like

Portland and Washington did yeah

liberalism and this post-modernity at

the West is facing is obviously don't

don't compare the immorality of the West

to Communist States because you didn't

have porn you didn't have prostitution

you didn't have drug promotion you

didn't have any of that fucking nonsense

you had a healthy Society of family

values athleticism uh Health Fitness you

know hard work that was the foundation

of those societies profoundly

conservative societies fully in line

with Christian values you didn't have

any of this fucking

uh Jeffrey Epstein bullshit

yeah and its basis was in the the

Eastern traditions of Christianity and

there I agree their overall

traditionalism it wasn't rude communism

was a modern that was communism that's

what communism was yes it was no

communism is just you need to read no

communism is not an idea it's a real

movement of people Mark says it's a

product of modernity no dude sure sure

communism is a product of modernity and

it's also It's the reaction to majority

is also a product to modernity too and

communism just so happens to be one of

the products of modernity that saved the

soul of millions of people from the evil

of modernity and the ravaging

monstrosity of modernity which the West

faced

West Germany versus East Germany which

West Germany versus Eastern Germany

which one was more degenerate where did

Lucifer Reign more East Germany or West

Germany where was Lucifer happier

less Germany but yeah there's a reason

for logical fallacy it's not a logical

fallacy everything is really relative

all right where does Lucifer Reign more

North Korea or South Korea

you're saying it's a coincidence that in

all of these Communist States Lucifer

has less Reign out of a coincidence

that's not a question you know why that

is because all these marxists that came

from the Soviet Union they ended up

coming to America and contributing to

this and why didn't they do it in the

Soviet Union itself that's completely

illogical you're saying the poison came

from they did in the beginning then what

happened to them

well then Stalin came in okay well then

who was the real Marxist then because it

seems like Stalin was the real Marxist

and these were British liberal agents

Stalin was not Orthodox to the Marxist

tradition whatsoever socialism and one

well then Marx himself was not and

neither was Lenin

so did Mark's not right of a stateless

classless moneyless society not once

really not once

did angles write about that not once

I'm pretty sure he did

no they did allude to an eventual

withering away of the they alluded to an

eventual withering away of the modern

state

what and of the form of money sure so

what

what they never defined communism in

that way because communism for Marx was

the real movement

to sublate the present state of things

it was the real movement to overcome

luciferian modernity

did March not Embrace modernity

he you know Marx advocated for free

trade because he thought it would bring

Mark's Embrace Embrace Marx embraced all

of the things about modernity

that would overcome

the evil of modernity Marx believe that

you can

why did he disconnect

you can well I didn't disconnect him you

guys see me I didn't do that why did he

just did anyone disconnect him

I have no clue yeah we'll

Marx is he still here

uh well to finish what I was saying Marx

believed you can use the very

um weapon of the ruling class against

them and that that was the Christian

irony Marx believed in actually just

like how when Christ was crucified that

would in turn that would be turned

against the people who thought they won

and prevailed with the resurrection Marx

believed with the evil of modernity that

this unleashing of the productive forces

would be turned against the bourgeoisie

itself

so it's the same christiological

uh view actually so mab is next go ahead

map

oh uh yeah sorry for continuity I didn't

realize kind of what what your format

was

um I just want to say it's been really

impressive with uh

how you've been uh kind of a

I don't know how to put it like kind of

messing with the people with where

they're at and speaking the language

yeah

especially uh when you with uh when you

compare it with how you uh took down uh

maniaci

I just wanted to say it's really

impressive the the discipline on either

end

of the attitude all right uh that's it

all right Edward

hey how's it going hey

so I'm a uh Mega conservative and I

joined the space because someone shared

it so I'm not actually familiar with

this movement or anything but I think

everyone so far has sort of been

debating you on the communism side of

everything and sort of getting into

these Weeds about the history of

Communism and these theological

discussions and it seems totally

unrelated to the topic so I'm sort of

more interested in talking about Maga

and to be honest I'm not an expert on

communism I'm much more familiar with

with Trump and Maga as a movement

um so I I'm sort of interested a few

things sort of came up to me while I was

listening

um

what about and correct me if I'm wrong I

think you're describing Maga as more of

like a ideology as sort of like a

philosophical movement as opposed to

like being tied to Trump as an

individual is that right

well I don't think it's really either I

think Maga is just a movement of people

who

are at the point of no return as far as

trusting any of the establishment

politics anymore

and who are only loyal to Trump in that

they reject

the mainstream media's narratives that

they tried to create for four years

about him right these are all the people

like there's two sides of America right

when you hear January 6th do you hear

bullshit that's the Mongo world right do

you believe it well that's out you know

that's the libtards and the Rhinos so I

just see Maga as people

who are just part of this different fork

in the road there's a fork in the road

in America right and one side is just a

point of no return

and the other side is

going down libtard Lane

so that's yeah let me let me ask you

then so in terms of of Trump's I'm just

sort of interested in Trump as a figure

as possibly being someone say like if if

this were to become like a pragmatic

conversation about how would how would

you usher in this this maggot Communist

Regime for Trump's platform in 2015 and

2016 when he was running initially

um to me and why I voted for Trump was

he was standing apart from

these sort of like fake dialectic of

neoliberalism and neoconservatism

um yet like next to people on the stage

like Jeb Bush saying like Okay I'm gonna

call out the donors in a special

interests and I'm going to like repeal

NAFTA he was like anti-free trade he was

talking about protectionism nationalism

nativism I'm sort of curious what what's

specifically about those policies which

to me were the defining policies of Naga

originally sort of like protectionism

getting out of unfair trade deals

talking about we're we're going to win

against foreign countries we're going to

stop losing as a nation and then um also

somewhat of what the the previous Guy

brought up about there being sort of

like an ideal but I don't want to get

into philosophy I think more so it's

just about like nativism and patriotism

than it is some like you know you

oh my God fuck me

yeah I uh

I briefly disconnected because my thing

crashed for England okay did you hear

everything or no I think I heard like

you said

uh

you said something like um

do you agree with this view of Maga

something like that

well yeah I just want to know like do

you think Trump's like policies which

originally defined that not like what it

became and throughout his presidency but

stuff like protectionism his nationalism

his anti-immigration I think I think the

basic thrust that I saw the foundation

of Maga was bringing the productive jobs

back right I think it's like and I think

that created an entire dynamic because

it's like okay in order to bring the

jobs back we have to like be against the

financial oligarchy we have to be and

then I think everything just stemmed

from that as my analysis

um okay well so if I if I were a live

tard I would say to you well Trump

wasn't doing that out of concern for the

working class or the proletariat he was

doing that out of racism towards like

Mexicans he really just wanted to like

build the wall to keep them no I agree

that's how they would say it but I don't

think I don't think it's either I think

the point was he was speaking truth

and you know Trump's intentions don't

matter to me because it's like he just

realized holy shit A lot of people hear

what I'm saying and it resonates with

them and he just kept like double he

kept beating into that Dynamic so he was

like a true populist like a true

demagogue in the sense of like man of

the the demos the people I think he was

a populist yeah I think so

um I think I don't know what his

intentions were I mean I can't speak to

that I have my skepticism I don't think

it matters that much

so like him as a figure he he is not a

communist figure but insofar as he was a

populist and what the working class

which was his basement I think he like

accidentally lost communist policies I

think they sort of line yeah I don't

think Trump is a communist I just think

he accidentally unlocked a kind of

American communism

he didn't but he didn't even know he was

doing that

yeah the other thing I wanted to bring

up was you mentioned and this was funny

I've been sort of surprised listening to

this at how much I agree with you

um

you said like you're like fundamentally

illiberal like you talked about like

bringing in the Taliban and stuff and

like I mean hey I it's hard to disagree

with that given the state of of the

United States at the moment

um but like to me Maga has sort of

proved itself to be ineffective in sort

of counteracting liberalism yeah because

I think Trump ended up being like a

totally liberal president I mean if we

look at what he's doing he is he was

like he was he was yeah just like had

that big party for the Log Cabin

Republicans the gay Republicans yeah I

saw that I saw like what is he doing he

was always like that I actually I

actually remember he's ever a

conservative but even even in 2015 that

was there but I mean it's just the

trouble making was that Mago Mago was

never like a a illiberal movement in

that sense that perhaps communism would

be in your vision yeah it wasn't and I

think see this is a big problem because

you know it's it's a media problem

here's the issue is that Maga kind of

created all of these new forms of media

and these new cultural you know

influencers and and these just New Blood

of people under Trump who are combating

the mainstream media's lies and fighting

against them

but what you had happened was

Trump did not really

um

he didn't like promote those people he

didn't actually embrace that he just

kept watching Fox News and he kept

caring about what Fox News says and all

that shit

came around I'm on YouTube so we can't

talk about the details but it's just

like Trump is very pro-vaxx right

and that's right yeah I was gonna bring

that up too yeah you're like two hours

ago you were talking to some guy and he

was talking about like big Pharma and

it's like Trump holds that as like his

biggest accomplishment it's like oh

operation because he didn't listen to me

never actually watched any of his

speeches turn MSNBC off Trump was our

first libertarian yeah so yeah I mean

Trump never listened to his movement he

kept listening to Fox News because he

thought his movement was Fox News but he

didn't realize there was this culture

war that was happening even as early as

2016. I was decentralized in the

information age he never like gave into

that dynamic or kind of embraced it I

don't think he could have because you

know Trump's a boomer Trump's just a

boomer he doesn't understand any of that

stuff he doesn't understand

fundamentally a boomer he doesn't

understand this kind of like

he he understands culture like how he

did 50 years ago which is TV cable TV

the ratings on cable TV so he just kept

focusing on Fox News Fox News right

and so the problem though is that the

ruling Elite saw this problem in Trump

and they were okay we're gonna prop up

DeSantis

and we're gonna have him focus a lot on

the culture War stuff and capitalize on

a niche that Mark that uh Trump is not

doing

yeah it's a total guys so yeah

that veneer of anti-woke he is the exact

same neoconservative yeah I know I know

it's just that DeSantis is capitalizing

on the two Achilles heels Trump trump

didn't wage a good culture war and then

Trump was bad on the facts and he was

bad on CDC according to the Maga base so

it's like Mago was this alternative

world

of America alternative facts blah blah

blah New Media new voices they're being

close to the fringes they're not

listening to anything but Trump is not

actually working with that he's not

embracing it

but Ron DeSantis is it's just that Ron

DeSantis is doing it in a way that's

gonna kill the foundation of Maga and my

whole angle with this is that the

foundation of Maga is a working class

movement trying to re-industrialize

America and trying to build a new form

of hegemony by The Working Man

so DeSantis may be playing to some of

the um uh uh results of the Maga

movement boss right but he's not he's

gonna do it in a way that's going to

kill the foundation so to me Maga

communism is about going back to the

foundation

so what do you think of so I know a lot

of people on the right right now are

sort of espousing up thank you so much

John R appreciate your class populism to

sort of have uh trumpism and Mago

without Trump and I'm sort of curious

what you think what will unite people of

different ethnic backgrounds people are

different races and people are different

religions in the United States to sort

of work towards that same goal when they

weren't really doing that under Trump

like if you look at the demographics I

mean like working class of black people

and Latinos didn't go for Trump nearly

as much as like the US is mostly so it

seems like it seems the Divide isn't

economic I mean but the US is still a

mostly white country so it's not really

surprising that maga's mostly White

the U.S is still mostly white the

foundation of America is still mostly

White

um but I will say uh

there is a huge latino shift

there's also us even more slight

shift from the black community and all

sorts of minorities are you know they're

turning red but you know in the

Republican sense thank you so much yeah

I mean the problem is though many

um immigrants coming into the country if

a majority of them are

if they are going to vote Democrat just

statistically I mean a republican isn't

really going to get elected these people

are voting I think there's a there's a

there's a rate of immigration but

there's also an effect in unintended

effect the Democrats are realizing is

that these generations of immigrants the

new ones

are turning red like Latinos and then

I'm I'm in Michigan

and I'm around Dearborn Michigan

and I'm witnessing that Dynamic happen

also with you know with the with the

Arabs in the Muslim Community is that

it's just a lot of them are becoming

Republican like an un at an

unprecedented rate

well yeah I mean I think as a as a true

conservative I'm probably closer to

those Sharia law people in Dearborn yeah

than I am to like Mitch McConnell right

exactly these people yeah it's because

it's because immigrants you know

they don't really at the end of the day

a lot of immigrants believed in the

American dream and the the Democrats are

not really the Democrats are offering a

kind of

you know nightmarish

uh you know like institutionalized

system of just everyone's under control

I mean you know but I I don't think

that's necessarily gonna I think I think

the heart and soul of America

it's still only going to be a few

ethnicities it's mainly the white

working class and then second I would

say is the black belt the black working

class especially in the black belt

George and all those places that have

been Consolidated by democrats but you

know notice people like Farrakhan and a

lot of black leaders are waging a kind

of covert Guerrilla War not so much

covert but a guerrilla war against this

kind of Plantation Democrat political

situation and I think I have I think

that's very promising from what I'm

seeing develop

and then yeah I think yeah and then you

have Latinos closer to the border and

elsewhere but California Texas stuff

so I think it's there are other

minorities in this country obviously but

those three are the main ones in America

I think yeah I agree with you that that

they they are probably going to turn

more red over time like if you look at

the statistics like the people most hurt

by immigration are the like next

generation of immigrants themselves you

know they're hurt by the next people

that come in

um it's a sort of a question to me of

like well how bad does it have to get

economically for these people before

they sort of turn to like an alternative

to neoliberal oh well I think it's I

think it's see it's it's uh it's

happening already and I think Trump this

is his opportunity

you know we are facing BlackRock just

admitted we're facing a bigger recession

than 2008 okay do you really think Trump

is the person to do it though like did

you see his speech like his announcement

speech he's like I'm talking about it

he's so low energy

he's not if he was smart he would

capitalize on it because DeSantis just

offers cultural stuff right now that's

working but I think when bread and

butter issues become the main issue I

think people will probably want to move

a little bit more than just that right

DeSantis doesn't offer anything more

than culture stuff

um

and I think yeah I agree with you so I

think Trump if he was smart he would

probably focus more on

he would he would do the culture stuffs

turbocharged with the economic stuff

but I don't think he's gonna honestly

you want you want to hear what I think

about Trump

it doesn't look good you know Trump's

prospects do not look good

for 2024 I don't think he knows what

he's walking into right now

well he's selling nfts you can't like

that as a as a car yeah that was a very

very bad look to me that nft stuff as

well so Trump you know

I'm not optimistic I think he's

but I think there's still this Maga

movement and it would be such a shame

for that just to kind of dissolve into a

DeSantis deception it's gonna be

co-opted into the GOP it looks like if

there is no um able successor to Trump

of course

yeah I think someone younger or someone

who actually understands the youth but

with that trumpism that was so appealing

to Americans

so who do you think is there anyone at

the moment yeah I do think that his son

is right for the job

I know a lot of people will disagree

with me yeah he does understand Mega and

but he also understands the culture War

stuff so he's a combination of the

economics of trump the pro-working class

economics of trump but he also

understands the uh cultural War aspect

and he talks about it a lot which is

something that Trump avoided

right so he gets it he gets that these

two things need to be synthesized

yeah I mean I agree with you that I

think he gets it in some sense but I I

find him personally to be incredibly

cringe and sort of like much weaker than

Trump as a person and much less

authentic like most like Boomer means

all the time and like whereas Trump was

like he was like red hot in 2015 and

2016. he was going yeah I remember well

someone's doing the raping Dawn to Don

Lemon like this guy was something else

he was a different animal Donald Trump

Jr is not really that but I agree with

you that I think he probably could get

elected yes because if you look at polls

from last summer they actually said you

know who's going to succeed Trump and

take on the Republican Party who would

win most Republicans and

Don Jr was above Ron DeSantis in the

poll believe it or not

and I think it could work and also I

find Don Jr better on foreign policy

than his father

really yeah I've uh looked into this for

a while and I do think that uh don Jr

would be best it's the only way to stop

Maga from being co-opted into the

broader GOP establishment

you need you need someone who's

anti-establishment and also Don Jr is

more I guess open to working with

Libertarians than than Trump was

so don Jr would have people like Rand

Paul and Thomas Massey in it Etc and he

talks shit about the Rhinos all the time

he hates the GOP establishment more than

Trump does

yeah I don't know I just like when I see

how bad the country is in terms of like

moral Decay I really don't think we need

like a dawn Junior that just doesn't

really speak to me but I mean you're not

going to if Edward if you want my

plan I am not really interested in uh an

electoral strategy for 2024 I think that

is lost no yeah me neither I I agree

with you I I am not I personally think

so you need both you need both well so

so Edward where I'm coming from is that

I actually just want to do the work

right now of building a more long-term

kind of work

of building a a political institution

specifically a political party

that can be a viable alternative to

either take advantage of the split

that's coming in the GOP

maybe even some of the Democrats or just

be a viable political platform an

alternative to run local candidates and

things like that also having a unifying

Vision but

I mean if you want to look at what I

think is coming for America

I think we are headed for a a breakdown

of the political institutions and the

political system

which means probably something like

Civil War

yeah just give me a second Civil War

means

that you know I want there to be an

independent political party or the

working class that can just

defend the rights and the interests

of the American people

because I think we're going to get to a

point politically

where we're going to have this

balkanization and this political chaos

and we're going to have NATO probably

step in or Britain or something and

I just think

I'm I think I need we need to prepare

for the future so I just I kind of I

resonate a lot with the libertarian kind

of militia movement people and stuff

it's like I I I'm my heart is there

right now

to be honest so so I think um what's

going to occur is basically this is all

mental masturbation to be honest with

you because I think we're not we're

keeping our eye off the ball with what's

happening in Russia and Ukraine I think

that war is going to intensify and it's

going to intensify to such an extent

that we're going to see potentially the

elections being suspended

uh due to an emergency under the

emergencies act they're going to suspend

the elections and go to war we're going

to see no I think you're right I I can

see that I think that's an example

though of a breakdown that's coming

absolutely yeah on all fronts if you see

it economically monetary uh fiscally

everything is actually breaking down

it's actually done by Design as well

it's all planned out right I mean it

seems for thank you so much it might

seem like very strange as to why this is

all occurring but this has all been set

in stone this is all being played out so

that it controls and centralized power

because this is ultimately the the way

that everything's going centralization

extreme accentualization like you

mentioned BlackRock you know what are

Black Rock doing they're buying sweets

of like houses and you know mortgages in

like complete communities in order for

them to control people because what are

the world economic forums say they said

that you'll own nothing and you'll be

happy so they want everyone to be

renters

um when the cbdc's come back when cbdc's

hit like next year because they're test

piloted piloting it already Swift is

starting to set it up on their system

um you know that's the that's the

payment transaction uh system that

basically uh you know enables your Visa

your MasterCard to be used over 11 000

banks in the world that's already been

set up once you have cbdc's you have no

Freedom it's finished okay so ultimately

speaking all of this stuff about what

party you belong to and all that it

means nothing okay I agree but I think

if you want to ask me what I think

politics is right now to me politics is

building a organization that has roots

in people and resources so that when

shit does hit the fan I mean there's

something to fall back on that's what I

like I I agree there needs there needs

to be a political there needs to be an

organized political resistance no I

totally agree with you I think that's

not going to happen in a federal state

it's not going to happen from a federal

level it's going to happen more of uh I

will probably agree with you

I don't have Illusions about electing a

you know

a revolutionary president

so I'm not there right but I just think

the reason you have to involve yourself

in federal politics and local politics

is because that's

what people understand politics to be

that's how people are organized right

now that's how they understand that's

where power is right now right well

that's exactly like if you look at

history in terms of like World War II

like the British for example when

they're getting blitzed by the Germans

you know the local uh the mobilized

local like uh politics politicians would

be basically mobilizing people exactly

right on the local level and that would

actually enable communities to kind of

gain strength exactly it's like to build

to build a political hegemony that

people respect as a legitimate

institution of power

you need to yeah you know speak their

language both in practice and in reality

right

it's it's gonna be for me it's very um

it's there's a sense of trepidation

because

um I know I can see the trends as to

where this is all going but it's like I

have nothing to stop it it's like a

train crash in slow motion

you can at best slow it down

you can and it's that the thing you can

do I guess is is try to um I think I

guess prepare for the worst I think you

know

um it should speed up because the longer

it takes for this thing to collapse

the more time you know we're just kind

of dwelling in this limbo where

we

I just think it's kind of like if it's

gonna happen let it happen you know and

I think it is gonna work well I mean

Trump did do his job in speeding it up

wouldn't you agree I think I think I

think what's going to happen is um

ultimately

um you know it's non-sustainable so it's

like a hockey stick right pattern so

initially every sort everything seems to

be like gradually kind of grinding on

but then ultimately the figures the

numbers just don't add up so they'll

just have to just you know accelerate at

some point and at that point you know

you get things like hyperinflation

because when hyperinflation starts to

kick in I think Americans Collective

West you know they're just gonna not

even understand

what's happened it's just going to

happen so quickly you're right yeah

and I think when that happens you know

when cbdc's coming because I think

that's initially a terrifying thing is

that this is not a chaotic crisis

necessarily it's a controlled crisis so

it's a crisis that's been planned it's

one that they're prepared to solve

already

you know what I mean like so

um that does not leave us a lot of

wiggle room

to you know the hegelian dialectic

problem reaction solution yeah yeah yeah

exactly and I understand yeah so we're

not really in a position to take

advantage of any chaotic breakdown

that's not really where I'm coming from

but I do think we're in a position to

take advantage to responding to how

they're going to resolve it

but here's the thing though if you if

you look at it I mean what they're

essentially doing they're creating

dependencies or we're we're going to be

dependent on them more so but because of

the fact that and here's the thing like

I right now I think this is like um this

is a moment that you have to kind of

build something where you have less

dependency on them when they actually

start uh you know focusing and dropping

that grid on people that kind of

technological grid that's coming

um how much are you able to be less

dependent on them well does that mean

you become so more self-sufficient I

don't know it's a North American Union

they want an EU like set up for Canada

the US and Mexico and when this shit

goes down when things go get much worse

that's what they're going to present as

the solution and maggot is yeah exactly

Maga is a barrier to that right I think

China is actually the model for the

world to be honest with you social

credit system yeah but that's that's

domestic policy and yeah a lot of people

do say that I don't think in terms of I

mean like China would never Unite with

Japan and another country and have an EU

sort of set up I don't think like China

is in like I don't no no I don't mean

China as in like the Chinese I think

what's gonna happen is that they're

going to take aspects of the Chinese

system and kind of twist it

yeah mainly by the private sector too

and it's gonna so they're rolling out

the whole soft you know the kind of like

soft rollout of the social credit system

yeah and they're doing that here yeah I

think I think what's what's happened is

that like there's this idea of the

social credit system which is not how it

exists in China but

it's actually going to exist like that

here I do agree with that it's like you

know here's the thing right in China

it's hardcore but over here it's

basically like it's going to be the

social critic System Light so you're

gonna have I mean essentially speaking

Yeah I think in China it's very

localized

and it's it's not really what most

people think it's not well the thing is

Chinese the Chinese social critic system

is very like you said it's very

localized it's very general and it's in

depending on who you are like for

example the uyghurs their social credit

system is much more uh stringent versus

like everybody else I don't think so I

think there's no no I'll tell you how

I'll tell you how because I've looked

into this and basically like the social

credit system you get scored between

like one and zero look there's a huge

campaign right now to go to war with

China and a lot of this stuff is just

Radio free Asia no I'm not I'm not

saying this as a as as a and as you know

opposition to China I'm just explaining

you the technology and how it works so

what I'm saying to you is that in China

the general public they get scored

between one and a hundred so like so if

you don't pay your taxes if you buy even

if you were to you know purchase alcohol

you know jaywalk whatever right that

will drop your score

um and you'll still have enough to kind

of still be be able to you know work out

a system situation with the government

but with the uyghurs it's like yes or no

like there is no 100 score there's no

like you know you can kind of be 50 or

60.

um but over there it's like if you're

down below like 60 or 50 you know your

travels restricted your banking's

restricted you can't eat food you're

literally under house arrest so that's

the thing I I I recommend we I actually

made a video on this on my YouTube

Biden but my colleagues did and they did

a lot of in-depth research

and a lot of these things are just

Fabrications honestly it's really not

how I wanted to ask that I I need to go

I want to ask what your YouTube channel

was because this conversation yeah it's

just uh infrared on YouTube infrared

yeah okay I can DM it to you hey I mean

I know you say that right but the thing

is it's easy to kind of quote we have to

kind of back it up with the actual

reference as to what you mean by that

because I could just pick up like any

I'm not I'm not arguing your point I

think your point is valid you know there

could be the fact that I think the

source should be from Chinese people

themselves because I've what I've with

the research on no no of course yeah of

course it's just about the what's

actually on the books yeah how was it

drafted how how it was implemented what

was the intention and it was mainly for

companies not individuals

and it doesn't work like you don't

you're not under house arresting the

social credit system it's not some

binding

system on individuals it's not how it

works

well I mean everyone use WeChat there

right in China so ultimately you're not

using cash any longer right you're using

your mobile phone everywhere and so it's

a bit like the Amazon go kind of shops

yeah right so you go in there with your

QR code and everything is actually

registered that your your insurance your

tax data everything's there right so

ultimately you know that's been tracked

and if you go against certain like you

know government

um mandates whatever you know you're

gonna be you're gonna basically be

um you know uh if you'd be flagged for

doing something which is not not correct

and then with what's going on right now

in China with I mean again I have

Chinese friends and I understand you

know what they're going through and

there's a lot of like mystification

right now with what's happening in China

I don't entirely know what's occurring

there because we're getting it through

the Western lens we don't exactly know

the truth of it actually what's really

going on I completely agree with you

though yeah yeah so

um

yes you seem like you wanted to say

something or at a map you can go first

because you have your handle

oh uh yeah I wanted to just uh say like

uh point out that Donald Trump didn't

start any wars uh yeah true it's uh uh

people don't really like he was rude

but uh look at the effect of like we

have a common enemy the Biden like built

this entire political and personal

Fortune of private prison industry

that's where I would work modeling areas

comes from too hey yes you don't know me

but I went to fucking high school with

you dude all right well this is not a

high school reunion so let's speed up

yeah let's go ahead no way did yeah

but I went to high school with you nigga

all right go ahead yes

oh no I just wanted to say uh yo how's

you remember I was on one of your

showdowns like a while ago like a year

ago I think

I just want to see you guys hey how are

you doing

I'm doing good I hope you're doing good

man they've been trying to silence you

that shit's fucking crazy yeah but you

know you'll be back man I already know

now hopefully yeah I hope so do you

think that uh Julius and Son should be

released

and given a pardon

me oh yeah absolutely me yeah yeah do

you think he's gonna get a pardon from

yes

wait why is Julian Assange getting a

pardon because everybody has jumped on

board the Julian Assange bandwagon New

York Times the guardian everybody is

calling for the freeing of Julian

Assange the Australian government is

even saying Biden please drop the

charges everybody's on I'm not seeing

this on train now

yeah I mean it's crazy

growing pressure Biden face A Renewed

push

to drop charges against the sons well

then why did they keep him for so long

that's why I think it's fishy right if

everybody is suddenly jumping on board

what is going on

New York Times I mean they haven't said

a thing about this I mean they were

against it why are they suddenly doing

this it's very awesome there's always

been I don't know I can't I can't indict

Assange

but I can say Wikileaks has always kind

of been

a little bit sketchy

just a little bit yes because not a lot

of people remember this but Wikileaks

kind of had this thing where they were

like you know

we want to also involved with the dark

web with Bitcoin and all that kind of

stuff right well it was also that they

were kind of being used against Iran and

Russia

and I think Iran at one point thought

Wikileaks was like CIA front I remember

that

um Progressive International you know

that's the Bernie Yanni yanis For Focus

Lula Alliance they're leading this

yeah I'm 100 for Assange

uh being free that's unconditional to me

but I also want to you know keep an open

eye on like why are all of these

because you remember in 2016 that wasn't

the case all these progressives and

liberals were like super anti-assans

because they blame you for Trump's

elections and because he was aligned

with

bro

so right you know it's irrational it was

just irrational from

um

you know that's the crumps here's here's

what I think is is happening though I

think that the Democrats recognize that

this is something that progressives have

been demanding for a while and they want

to get a single own on Trump because

Trump did not free Julian Assange and

this is how they're gonna one-up Trump

by uh I think I think it's probably a

little bit more it's deeper than that

but I think in terms of Optics that's

what they want to do well it could also

be that he has information that perhaps

indicts Trump even more or something or

something else who knows I think I think

it could also be that um

it's not only bad optics for domestic

politics it's always been a point of bad

optics for international politics

because in uh critiques of U.S democracy

worldwide always bring up the Assange

case

yeah you know as an indictment on

American democracy so

it could also be something like that but

yeah it could be like them trying to

find some legitimacy with the people

perhaps you know because yeah for far

too long you know they felt that they've

um delegitimized their position uh with

covert and all this other stuff and so

they'll need something to kind of bring

people back on board with them because

you know they're clear they clearly get

in closer to elections and everything so

right that's one aspect of it but I do

think I agree with Haas that it's deeper

now of course it's deeper because

obviously like he wouldn't be hitting

prison for that long

um if it wasn't I mean he clearly knows

something that most obviously most

people don't

um and it's just unbelievable that he's

been in the incarceration for so long

and it's interesting that all the

reporters since you know there was like

this whole like gaggle of reporters who

wanted to kind of like get around him

and why suddenly now it just makes no

sense

well actually not really because he's

always had you know people you're

rallying for him it's just no but it's

all no no it's so I wanna I wanna

reorient this

sorry focus on the Maga communism thing

uh so is there anyone who

wants to

make the case against Maga communism

because I remember I was banned on

Twitter for many months and as the

originator of the idea

uh at least officially speaking

I was not here to defend it so there was

a lot of people who were very

opinionated about it while I was gone

and I want to give those people an

opportunity to uh

what's the premise please because I just

don't know it I don't know about it nav

has his hand race for a song

um I would this isn't so much to argue

against it because they can really

appreciate the angle of it but uh what

would you say too like I'm from

Minneapolis right where it's like the

right wing here is like Johan Omar and

the left is like

the different socialist groupings or

whatever

um

like uh

I don't know uh like we we need to like

take over the unions up here or the

unions

to be honest

I think the only way you can fight the

Democrats

is to kind of promote

uh the increased socialization of Labor

that's happening

which is like promote you know be an

acceleration issues for Ubi and the gig

economy and stuff undercut the way to

undercut the power of the unions

is not to be a union Buster but to just

kind of promote

the rise of this fourth Industrial

Revolution that's kind of rendering them

irrelevant

and it's ambiguous but I think the the

real you gotta start addressing people

at a higher socialization of labor now

if you address someone at their

workplace only

you're also having to institutionalize

them at the workplace if you address

them

in a way that you know um

uh if you address them in the way that

they're being addressed by these new

like online movements and stuff

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but as like someone working a nine to

five trying to get their grind like

Andrea does sometimes right

that's an effective way to undercut the

Monopoly the Democrats has

on a lot of these you know through

Democrats exercise control through the

unions the way to undercut that is to

speak to people not at the level of the

workplace but at the level of their

you know

their grind you know just the bare bones

of them I don't like this job I don't

care about this job just here for a nine

to five I'm not committed to this

fucking stupid job you know that's

pretty much how it has to be

was that the Democrats have completely

taken over the Union

so it's uh like building the culture

um like building communities was

basically what it is yeah I mean it's

it's freeing people from both their

workplaces and their unions and this is

what rev likes to talk about a lot free

time right cut the labor hours for more

free time more free time people aren't

attached to these bullshit jobs that

don't matter

and that's how you really fight the

bureaucracy and the Democrats really

it's just

promote things that free people from

these nine to five jobs

and come from that angle we want people

to be free from the nine to five

building uh building the new Society

with Billy old

um

daytime you can go ahead

uh so as far as I understand macro

communism is essentially an American

form of marxist leninism is that yep

like crack yep

but uh my question is like

marxistlonianism

came about in the Soviet Union as a

direct response to like okay the German

Revolution failed we're gonna have to

develop our own country now

I mean do you kind of agree with that

no I think Marxism leninism is the sum

total of

Marxism and then combined with Lenin's

unique combat contributions uh even

before the revolutionary period

all right but do you think that Lennon's

response to uh

Stalin's response to the

revolutionary the aftermath of the

Revolution I mean that was an

application of leninism

afterwards right leninism really makes a

difference

at the level of before the Revolution

and then after that it's like that's

when it becomes a something you have to

learn from and develop and implement

okay but um look I'm not gonna pretend

like I'm a scholar in any of these

topics but

the Soviet uh the Bolshevik Revolution

would have played out a little bit

differently if like the German

Revolution had succeeded like do you

agree with that

uh I think there was no chance in hell

for the German Revolution to have

succeeded and if it did

it then they would have had to face the

same problems

with Britain or America or the rest of

the world I mean yeah there would never

have been a simultaneous World

Revolution

I'm not talking about like the World

Revolution but uh I mean going back to

um God what's his name like the

predecessor of of Vladimir Lenin like

uh I think his name was uh Georgie

pollokanov

no there was an expectation that it

would fail if it didn't spread I agree

with that even Landon had that

expectation

but but couldn't come up as far as I

understand was like

his attitude was if socialists take over

in Russia without the help of Communists

in Germany then the Russians would

essentially have to undergo like a

developmental phase I know but when it

comes to revolutionary strategy

there when it came to basically how do

you build the party

there were disagreements with placanov

that Lenin had

that already betrayed or pro-proved the

difference of logic

so leninism was always destined to be in

one country social country but there was

a unique logic of Lenin's discovery that

Lenin himself did not take to its

fullest conclusion

on the eve of the revolution

as far as expectations

the reason Stalin is he's called the

best student of Lenin because he did do

that

when he was building the Soviet state

because the basic point of leninism it's

actually very simple like if you want to

say what is leninism

it's basically

Marxism

with a dialectical form

so not only is Marxism dialectical also

the form of Marxism is dialectical

that's pretty much the key to the whole

thing right all of the concepts of

Marxism are not dead forms the

proletariat is not a dead form

it's a it's a can I call you something

yeah

just assume that I have an IQ of 70.

okay explain it to me on those terms I

don't understand dialectics okay yeah

leninism basically I'm retarded bro yeah

leninism basically just means

that

the revolution

is going to be the workers and The

Peasants not just

workers

cities

but palakanov essentially believed that

if the German industrial

okay he wasn't but he kind of was a

predecessor no but but mensheviks

I believe Russia needed to enter into

stages even as far as its revolutionary

strategy was concerned Lenin is the one

who said no we can just have an alliance

between the workers and peasants we

don't need to wait for the liberal

bourgeoisie to bring about a liberal

Revolution

we don't need to wait for Liberal

bourgeoisie to challenge Cesars

autocracy because they're themselves in

bed with the autocracy

but the thing is like the Bolshevik

government kind of strong-armed the

peasants like in order to procure more

resources in the cities

during the Civil War

I'm sure that's a civil you know what

here's my bigger question uh hopping

around I don't like you just can't keep

just keep hopping around you gotta stick

to something I'm hopping around because

you know I'm not like an expert in this

history get to your point

get uh okay uh so America is probably

the most advanced capitalist country in

this world right okay

and Marxism leninism was kind of this

ideology that came about in

uh peasant country sure

so what

is there for us left to develop you know

yeah well that's not a seven that's not

something a 70 IQ person would ask if

that's what you're saying but to answer

your question in the most simplistic way

if you're asking complicated contrived

question you're expecting the most

simple possible response which is not

really something you can expect with

that kind of question it's a theoretical

question well here's my theoretical

answer the most simplistic possible

terms the Paradigm of linear development

has nothing to do with Marxism that's

wig progressivism

this idea that uh the reason Russia was

different because it wasn't as developed

is undielectical Russia was just as

developed as the rest of Europe is

exactly why

Western Marxism was never able to

Prevail in Russia he needed leninism

and just like how leninism couldn't even

apply to China because these are

different civilizations with a

completely different reality that

doesn't follow the trajectory of Western

European history

as far as what lessons we can draw from

leninism

in the west and in America in particular

I can't answer that

when it comes to the relationship

between Marxism and the institution of

the proletariat

Marxist never actually drew the lessons

of leninism

and having an Institutional year zero

and drawing from the rule stratum

because of this arrogance that oh we're

already so Advanced rurality means

nothing anymore

but even agrarian populism was a

fundamental factor of something like the

New Deal happening

that's true

so there was a huge blind spot of

marxist in a being able to recognize the

enduring significance of geography and

rurality in particular

also the fact The Peasant wasn't

significant

because it was some transient class from

the past there's like a fundamental

significance of the peasantry that

endures even in America I mean the

Midwest

Rust Belt uh small town worker I mean

these aren't

sociological peasants

the proverbial peasants

they have the same sociological and

structural relations politics that

Russian peasants did

I

so

that's a dynamic that they were never

able to appreciate and uh the whole

point of Maga communism

the American form of leninism is about

going down to the country

uniting the most advanced

form of uh technological proletariat

right

the gig economy and all this this new

proletarianization that's happening the

Amazon workers the Amazon labor union

iting that with the so-called backward

Rust Belt

kind of like you know

small town fly over America

that's the unity of the workers and

peasants

so that's what it is really

like communism plus Maga is it's like

the workers and The Peasants if you want

to think about it

when is Maga made up of uh workers

really though yeah but it's like this

Fusion it's like workers

but also sociological peasants

from an Institutional and cultural

perspective your peasants right

um they're not proletarianized

they are becoming proletarian eyes but

they're really like

not yet

proletarianized really I mean are they

the proletariat yeah they're a form of

the proletariat

that's why I'm talking about the

dialectical form because it gets crazy

right it's like it's a form of the

proletariat is it

the proletariat right now

well it depends on what you mean like

are they becoming proletarianized yes

are they the result of occur the most

advanced formal proletarianization no

that's more like an Uber Eats person

like you know Amazon worker or something

proletarianization is something that

doesn't never end it it's like

and if it never ended that means

you know the peasants never really ended

either like a cycle

I mean it's interesting you say that

because there's this um

uh writer Marshall's writer uh by the

name of Clyde Barrow uh and he argued

that

as capitalism goes forward people are

just going to become more lumpinized you

know

um

go ahead I think that's not really

unique I think the lumpinization is

called declassing

and it's happened across all of his

I think it's I think d-class d-classing

is so overly representative of people

who want to be the proletariat Justice

thank you so much Chris Morlock holy

shit man I really thank you so much

well sorry I was responding to a donut

but geek lasting is mostly over

emphasized because the creative class of

writers and all these people I mean

there are themselves in danger of

declassing so in media you're always in

movies you always see the class the

class right it's so so emphasized

that's because there's this always been

an alliance between the lump and and

bourgeoisie

you know the the working class is more

numerous than bump it

and declass people right it's just that

they don't get representation

their interests aren't represented their

way of life their state of mind their

mentality that's not really given proper

respect

but we do have like more people who are

higher on addicts every year

yeah but that doesn't mean you're lump

and if you're addicted to drugs

uh you know the devastation of working

class communities is a real thing

but

what makes her break the lumpin thing is

it's like is this

some kind of like way of life and then

for itself like it's completely being

completely unemployed no job

being a drug addict or a criminal being

like a homeless vagrant

you know that's not

really the majority

all right fair enough

I think my opinion just to finish this

off is uh

you know the old school early 20th

century stuff is over with yeah I agree

and we're left with what we have now

which is more you know gig economy

workers who are

not uh you know they don't necessarily

have work or a steady income

more prisoners more you know all these

kind of lumpinized elements I don't see

the gig economy equal as lumpinized at

all but

I mean I think Marx and Engels claim

that like Dock Workers were essentially

lumping because

they never had anybody work that may

have been true is for his time

said that but that's not

I don't see the applicability today

the dynamic of their work was

essentially they go to the dock and pray

to God that they're selected so that

they can earn wages and that is

essentially what Uber Eats is

ubereats corresponds to a completely

different revolution in the forces of

production

uh it's no it's not comparable you know

sociological lumping

uh that's all criminality and stuff

that's not just having a precarity

is not necessarily like that at all it's

like it's a different way of earning a

wage

which is not based on begging by the way

it's just like it's just not

institutionalized and standardized it's

it's it's corresponding to the

decentralized information technology

we have today yeah I mean it's not

steady at all also it doesn't I mean we

study to be just because you don't have

a steady income doesn't make one lump at

just a very

are but one bad recession could I think

turn any gig worker into like a radical

reactionary

but um you know I would probably

disagree with what constitutes a

reactionary

because uh he's like

I just think that word like I don't

really know what you mean by that

uh reaction areas and I used to be

someone who's not domesticated by an

institution

well like the working class never had

these like all of these cultural I mean

there's a lot of assumptions you make

sounds like

because

people who are people who work the like

standardized jobs that are associated

with the 19th century

today I mean those people are very

institutionalized like you know if you

work at an office or if you're a grad

student it's very institutionalized it's

a very steady income

so they're like oh I have more in common

with the worker of Marx than these gig

economies gig workers right

with these truckers because that's not

what I'm saying but yeah but you know

it's like yeah it's just not true though

because

um the cultural institutionalization any

political institutionalization

did not happen that wasn't a thing for

the 19th century industrial proletariat

the only equivalence

was the labor aristocracy which was you

know a class enemy for Marx

so you know uh a lot of marxists just

assume that oh if the workers are more

institutionalized they're going to be

less reactionary when the opposite is

actually true

um less institutionalization especially

when you're talking about

the decentralized information economy

that we're entering into that's freeing

people from these institutions that's a

revolution in the productive forces so

saying that the gig economy people are

going to be reactionary

is actually a reactionary point of view

because it's it's like from a standpoint

that describes progress to an outdated

era of the mode of production

the forces of production

well um if I can give you an example

like Tech workers I myself am a tech

worker one of the lowliest sponge

because I work for her for a pretty

shitty company

but um in my experience they're

generally speaking like

they're all for one you know like they

always only look out for themselves

yeah but

okay

what's your point

but I think Tech workers are more likely

to unionize than Uber workers are

well that might be for like legal

reasons but no it's not just for legal

reasons because you share a workplace

you share an institution

you also share an institution right

you're all socialized in the same way

but then again we're all working from

home nowadays but um yeah but even yeah

but even when you're working at home you

just have such a great deal of time

to kind of like you know

think about

um

yourselves and your workplace and it's

kind of like you're Consolidated in an

institution that you're loyal to that

you have to be loyal to so you're like

already part of some like steady

Collective

Uber work Uber you know drivers are not

they just use the app to make money

they're not like

working for the same company

they're working for themselves using the

technology of a company

do it but but you saw with like the FED

raising interest rates that a bunch of

us got laid off like all of a sudden

like yeah people are getting laid off

yeah people in your situation very much

are becoming lumpinized and de-classed

and I actually saw that with antifa and

most socialists and leftists are made up

of people like that right people who

like work in similar jobs you do

and you know they either dissatisfied

with it or they do get laid off or

something

but that's not the position of the

majority of the working class because

the majority of the working class

is

either coming from the factory jobs of

the 20th century where they're entering

into the gig economy of the 21st

and get economy it's not just ubereats

and Uber and all these service stuff

there's also like

you know trade

trades and CR you know welders and all

this kind of stuff even this is being

subsumed

um

plumbers and all this kind of stuff

so I kind of agree with what you're

saying but just to add to that like

my greatest point is like a lot of us

from the gig workers of ubereats and

Uber to a lot of tech workers working on

bullshit apps like we're a part of the

Leisure economy

not really the form of the relation to

production

so Uber for example like the way Uber

the socialization of the gig economy

works is that it's not about the use

value

it's about this way of you know

the combination of Information

Technology the decentralizing

information technology

with what it means to work and earn

income

it's not necessarily about what you're

doing

because like an only Fan's prostitute is

using that technology but they're

obviously not working right so I'm not

saying it's about the use value

or I'm not saying I'm talking about the

use value because there can be use

values which do indeed you know

it's a parasitical almost lump in form

of Labor

yeah but

I do think there's this Prejudice

Western marxists have inherent one

where they really even even when it

comes to like how to how do blue collar

workers relate to their workplace

they're not really institutionalized

because there's more of an emphasis

placed on their work

and when you have more of an emphasis

paste placed on the work the institution

has less of a significance

when it's more based on

the institution and its organization and

it's not going to be about work it's

going to be about how does the

institution execute its protocols the

tech worker you work for an institution

that has protocols to execute it has

commands to execute

Technologies and IPS to whatever codes

whatever and this is so there's going to

be more institutional socialization

there than at a factory work

because it's not really about what

you're doing it's about how you're doing

it

uh I get what you mean actually like I

remember like watching some video

viewers where you were arguing like Mega

are those who don't depend on

institutions and you know yeah

but

um would you consider like the average

only fans who were to be up to be

dependent on an institution

um

no actually not only fans is not really

an institution but I would say I think

the culture

that gives rise to that use value right

the content of what they're doing is

definitely an institutionalized kind of

like you know

uh when it comes to mainstream media and

the big Tech

I see what you mean institutions of

culture like censorship that's you know

you can't really shame them for what

they're I mean there's yeah they uh in

the universities which have propagated

sex work ideology

the use value is definitely

institutional it's just that what

they're doing is not

that makes sense

is she what you mean yeah but um I guess

uh just to ask you a bigger question

open-ended here yeah it's got to be the

last one because it's like

or but you know Mark said somewhere in

like the Communist Manifesto that like

as capitalism develops like more people

will become proletarian eyes

and like I think today based on the

basic definition of proletariat like we

have 13 of our working population

as productive workers yeah

was not describing a linear

um

uh

uh prediction that stretches into

eternity but a logic I think a logic

holds true even today

but it's not necessarily a prediction

about like a state of of being it's more

like a logic of how the process works

and that logic can also that logic can

fit within a linear Paradigm of time but

it can also fit within a cyclical

Paradigm of time right where it's like

it's a logic that continually reproduces

itself in new ways rather than realizes

and exhausts itself fully

and this eschatological way

so I think there's different ways to

think about it

now

um what Marx thought about it he

certainly could not have

adopted the viewpoint

that a full proletarianization would

occur because he you know he witnessed

after decades that it didn't happen

and specifically in England

the so-called full proletarianization

corresponded to the rise of a new middle

class and also a labor aristocracy

the most advanced country England

obviously didn't was the least

revolutionary politically

so Marx took note of this and

I think his view was much less

um conclusive than most people assume

I definitely agree about

but my conclusion is that Marxism is not

the way

unfortunately I think gay faggy

libertarian circles might be the way all

right well hold on I can't uh

hold on

yeah we can't so

all right anyway uh that's gotta be it

for that

yeah

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