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it cover and we have a lot to discuss today

particularly

there's a trucker uprising going on in california right now

and its actual details

make things a little bit complicated from the perspective

sound like a

you know

working class

hypothetical movement right so we're going to get into that

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i debated that same guy and bc that you were talking to on twitter

he doesn't get the distinction between productive labor from the p ov of capital and productive labor in general yes so basically what he was doing it is actually kind of related

to the california trucker thing

we re not

so we've been having this huge debate about

productive labor and unproductive labor

and he's basically trying to say

that

oh no he just fucking completely got it wrong he was trying to say some shit like

no marx thought that any any labor

that is hired for a wage

he is productive

but marx says directly that sometimes when late labors hired

for a wages in capital volume two when he's talking about commercial workers and clerks

you say they don't produce value

at all therere a cost of production

and the

that theyre the underpayment of their wages

it' is only a proxy for surplus value

it is transferred from other sectors of production

and marx makes that very clear

so no marx does not think all wage laborers produce value whire productive laborers

the basic idea is that

any any labor which corresponds to a profit

that is paid for by a wage

is productive right that's not true at all

according to marx

it is just not true

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thank you so much boris

appreciate you so much and thank you so much chris

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only and i mean only lower fuel and improved freight rates can help truckers

nothing thank you so much ninos

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fuk i hate that fucking donald parkson guy so fuckin much

he's such a fucking dumb ass i fucking ate that guy

i literally can't stand that fucking guy i hate those fucking cosmonaut people so much

i could not stand those fucking people i cauld not fuck and stand

do it so fucking deliberately dishonest

okay let me let me explain to the context o

so i can let you guys in

and i don't i don't i know youus care about puking twittershit

but it's like

lett me fucking explain to you why this is so frustrating

ok

so

i basically made the mistake of falking replying to this shit

i got these fucking ankle biting nerds

you can go read my substab we don't have to bother me here right

so he's saying logo you're a third world is

does this funny mean

this mean

fuckan blew up in popularity why because the average person who's not ideological

agrees with it based on their common sense

left twitter doesn't agree with this but it's still got one point two k likes anyway

is the average person like understands

hoow this is true right

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but

okay

so

so yeah and then and then the nerd from cosmonauts and this is what the glass wares do right

said this was third worldsm and i said

you know you guys have in common with third world is that you just deny

that there's an american productive

sector

you know you just deny that there's any american manufacturers

there's no american warehouse workers

there's no american refiners like

none of this exists because all it's largely been outsourced to other countries

eah even if that's been true compared to like the one nine hundred eighty s i mean it's still a very significant part of the population

like these are the people that got trump elected ok it's

it's still a very significant tart

of the american population

they may not be a majority of the work the labor force so what they've never been in history

for most of history at least

so

you know like that's stupid

and he goes no marks

that starbucks employees produce surplus value

and why because they quote mark saying that

workers who perform productive labor and thatt labor's productive

directly great surplus value in valorizes capital

except marx actually does go about defining

what labour is

he also defines

how labor produces value

and that

that is completely

inappoliticbal to how fucking starbucks makes profit period

ok

it's like mcdonald's right

it does not follow this sum

direct form of ground up accumulation based on

the direct sale of commodities it's just fucking isn't that if you think that you don't know anything about how

the modern economy works or starbucks for that matter right it's just funk of stupid

anyway

i say that's not how starbucks makes a profit and

let's not start quoting mark's ca because here's mark saying

that you know in the development of can this is his own words right

the apologist of capitalism just because everyone gets turned into a wage

wage earner in capitalism the oppositive of capitalism go

oh yeah wage laborers

are just people exchanging their service for money

so all different types of workers are the same

a and all workers are productive workers and then marx is saying that's bolsted he gives the example of a mercenary

he says a mercenary isn't a fucking productive worker right

and then here

you know

he talks about how you know the certain labors of menial servants may you know take the form of commodities

all of the same use valve is considered as material objects

but they're not productive labor

because they don't produce commodities

ok

and then he's trying to say that he's just paraphrasing adam smith

ok we're going to get into that

here and that that one now in this one

where there's no room for any argument about whether he's paraphraising adam smith he goes

only the narrow mind mark gos only the narrow minded bourgeois

can't differentiate capital's production

um

from

they can't differentiate productive labor from the

i

standpoint of capital

and productive labor from the standpoint of material reality right

so that's why they think all wage workers are productive laborers and he said not true

that's as marks own words

and then here

he says the kinds of work that paradoxaly might be able to be exploited in a directly capitalist way

um

they constitute infinitesinal magnitudes in comparison of the mass of products

and they should be left out of account

and treated only under wage labor under the same category of wage lab whi is not the same productive labor

now in marx's time it wasn't like there weren't entrep a lot of entrepreneurs who were hiring service workers

it's not like the owners of brothels

or theaters you know didn't exist as entrepreneurs trying to expand

production right

those were very widespread

marx wasn't even talking about that here

he was talking in terms of the capitalist way

of capital accumulation on that basis of labor right

and he said that's just like doesn't exist ass

now you so much say appreciate

mark wexy said that does not exist

for the most part right so we should re just like

we should consider

those

even those

for whom the definition might apply to

they should be treated

as unproductive workers faceal mark says directly

ok

so when he goes

marxist paraphrasing adam smith's second definition

that says it's contradictory and doesn't work he praised this first

so i have to explain this to you

right

so marx in his theories of surplus value

those over two explanations

adam smith gives

for productive labor right

the first one

is that it's exchanged

for capital

and the second one

is that it's realized in a commodity ok

now this guy does not know how to read despite the glasses ok because he goes

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marx is saying that it's contradictory because he says

in something inconsistent here right it's inconsistent what is you referring to as inconsistent

ok well let's see

so i said first of all that's not true

the opposite is true because if you read the next paragraph is whatll mark says

productive and unproductive labor is here conceived from the standpoint of the possessor of money

from the capitalist and not from the workmen

ok

that's what mark says directly as far as he's concerned

is that people who

think this you know it leads to nonsense

we have so little understanding that they raise the question of whether labor service or function of the prostitute flunkey

and for marx a flunkey is basically a service worker according to marx not me

brings in returns ok

then mark says

later that you know

even malthus are to be preferred than most people

to defend the necessity of

understanding unproductive laborers

ya

now this is the worst part ok

the final

nail in the coffin

is this

he got the definitions wrong

so there's two definitions in this sentence where

the first definition is that productive labor

produces commodities

and it's corresponding to a much more elementary view

then the definition which defines productive labor as labor which produces capital

so adam smith

opponents have disregarded his first pertinent definition

which is here

ok

and instead of have concentrated on the second

which is here

even though there are unavoidable contradictions and inconsistencies

in this

second

definition right here

and the reason why

they could point out the inconsistency and contradictions in this second definition

is because they insisted on the material content of labor that labor has to be a material thing

so they're basically telling adam smith adam smith

if

if commodities or if productive labor is just that which

produces capital

what about the leate the material content of labor does that not matter right

and the specific requirement that labor must fix itself to a more or less permanent product

so he got it totally wrong

he totally confused it

and he gt he doesn't understand what's being said

productive labor is here defined from the standpoint of the capital's production

and adam smith got to the very heart of the matter

and hit to the very nail on the head

ok

that doesn't mean he's agreeing

only with this

standpoint

what marx is actually saying is that by itself if productive labor

were only defined as that which produces capital

it would produce contradictions

but adam smith also includes that it must be realized in a commodity solving the contradictions

there we go that is what marx was trying to say and yeah services are commodities to the extent

they take the form of commodities

literally the element

then why does mark say that adam

smith is

definition

of a commodity

as something

separate

separate

and material

is essential to solving

the contradiction

and all it takes is reading capital volume one's opening set chapters

you see that for marks a commodity

is a separate

material object

marx makes that clear

in capital volume one

so this stod is full of shit

he is full of shit

it service is not

a commodity that can crystallize value and it's not even a commodity at all

ok

by itself

give me a second

me a second

it is just palking ong

hey it's just fopping an oil

god

it's all all to all to defend what

right

all to defend what

finally

finally let's actually talk about the subject we're meant to get to today because

i've already wasted a lot of time on bullshit

just my fault

sorry

sorry

so i'm just kidding i don't apologize for shit

right anyway guys

california right now

is experiencing a wave of protests probably not as big as the canadian truck or convoy right

but it might metastasize into that

because

california's sports if you remember from like last year

there was a crisis on the ports

of america's you know

supply chain crisis right there's

courts are being held up

there's new threats to that though because california's truckers

which are you know

transporting goods from these ports

are starting to protest now why are they protesting ok let's just

lean over the article and you're going to start to see

of the context fine this whole thing

makes this a little bit

yike see

right or at least you know we've got to actually think about this

and think about what's going on

so there is a new law

it's a gig worker law called a b five and i think

this really speaks to the reactionary and outdated understanding

of the relations of production

which not only left this hab but even fugking democrats in general

ok

what's basically going on is there's a new law called a b five

it is a b five law

wants to formalize

the gig economy workers you know who are

basically transporting people around like taxi

drivers used to rite

they want to classify them under the traditional definition of employer

employment

ok

as employees sorry they want to subject them

to the classification of being employees

rather than independent contractors

and it' is going to apply to all drivers ok

what they're saying is that

you know these contractors are being exploited

because they're being classified as independent contractors rather than employers right

well

truckers are overwhelmingly against this law

because they want to maintain their independence

as contractors

they don't want to be employers they don't want to have to work

for some fucking trucking corporation

that and fix them

to that corporation

you know presumably a monopoly

they want to be able to control

brief freelance and who they work for right

and you know you have bought seventy thousand truckers

a

who would fall under this law so the huge protests that have brek broken out

because of this and isn' the largest trucker protest

over the lot

thou in this case something a little weird seems to like it's going on right it seems like

there's like a in firsly proportionate

relationship

between the interests of the truckers who are independent contractors

you know who are owner operators

and they don't necessarily own their trucks most of these people are in debt

right

but even for the ones that do

they're technically considered small business owners

or freelance laborers right leftist would

classify that as petite bousgeois

but one of the weird things is the following guys it's a little weird right

if they are petite bousgeois

then w is the difference between their class status

a

a law

california can just pass a law

forormally categorize them categorizing them as employees

i think the first thing it shows is just how nebulous

mark soy definitions of relations of production are'

all it takes is the fucking law to transform the relations of production

you know that your definition of the relations of production

it's warped

nothing would change

except of course that these owner operators

would be heavily restricted and they would actually be at the mercy

of their employers right

and all of the bureaucratic red tape and all that shit

that comes with it

will obstruct their ability to actually

make a living in a more fluid

wall but that's not the worst part

the worst part of it as far as they're concerned is that if these truckers

were to be classified as employe employees

it would be forced to join

a trucking union

but the trucking union

is one that is already politically loyal to the democratic party

so hm i wonder why the democrats are doing this

so let's just get the story straight

so first what they want to do

is classifi all drivers as employees

rather than independent contractors

and on the other hand

ah what they want to do is they want to have them you know

unionized

by law

ok

now the thing is

this cements

you know a new base of

control for the democratic

party

right

but the fact that there is such a huge backlash against this

very clearly shows

that the reactionary i would argue nature of

at least the establishment unions today right

the isle w you

what is that is that what it is

no

what is the what is it

what is the union

yeah here it is the international longshore and warehouse union

which is a subsidiary of the democrats

i am quite sure

part of the democrats political machine

i

bruckers are democrats dude are you not

good i

this is yeah this is just like whatter you say one thing and then

e

you're not saying what you're actually saying you're saying just some random

what are you do what

the unions are democrats

and they want to force these truckers who would otherwise not be democrats

into the fucking union i mean i don't go with you

but anyway look

a

now let's be very clear right

these industries you know drivers and shit lift

lift

and the light

they're horrible industries

when taken from the perspective of general labor

you can't make a living

doing that shit

but that's also not what they're meant to be most people do it on the side on top of a regular form of employment

or if they're unemployed and can't find a job but are still managing to cose by

that's what they do right so

sould

i mean we can't make a difference but i'm speaking remember i'm always speaking when i'm talking about like what should we do

speaking from the perspective of a hypothetical communist party or the communist party right

so how should we respond to things like this

should we support the law because it's going to

increase

relatively increase the standard of living

some kind of way

were these people

i don't think look if i could snap my fingers right now with no effort i would do it right i would support it

well actually i don't know if i would because of the truckers but i'm saying beyond that

like starbucks unionization

if i can snap my fingers right now and the starbucks whoever works at starbucks

n have a union and those have a better standard of living bucket i'll do it i'll snap my fingers

and make it happen

i'm not against that i have nothing against that

but we were finite a potential communist party

as limited numbers limited resources and limited energy

so the question is not should we be in favor of this the question is

is it

should we be in favor of spending our time on this is always the more permanent question

because we have a finite

ability to spend

you know what i mean like what would it mean to spend time on this is what i'm trying to say

what would it mean for a communist party

to spend time supporting laws like a b five

forget about the question of the truckers

as a matter of fact what it would actually do

is sanctify and sanction

not only the service sector but also the gig economy as in fact a permanent form of employment

but since a communist party is supposed to be political and its aims and demands are also supposed to be political

this would obviously be reactionary right

the demand of the communist party should be eliminating the service sector

and eliminating the necessity of bolstered jobs or even bolster jobs in general

right

that's what it should actually be for it should actually be to eliminate

this as a way of as a necessary way of life

because from a material perspective it's not necessary

so from the perspective

of financial and fictitious capital starbucks is necessary

a the gig economy

lift

and ober are necessary

from the standpoint of financial capital

okay

they're necessary from the standpoint of financial capital

because you know if

oh my god if hoober gets bankrupted or

if starbucks goes bankrupt that's going to send shock waves down

this would you know be

the market there's going to be a market crash all investors will itill thell get wind of something wrong going on and then you know like

your fucking your grandma's house will be fucking foreclosed and s'll be fucking homeless

so there's this irrational disconnect

that' is what i'm trying to say that we have

particularly in this country

but's ' acute

rational disconnect

between the actual material forces of production

in terms of what we actually need as a society

and all these various parasitical bullshit industries that from the perspective of the material forces of production

have no bucking reason to exist

i challenge anyone to sit here and tell me

that starbucks as an industry should exist

as the service industry at least go ahead and tell me that

what ha

some people think it's valuable

and marxists have told me that dude you are repeating

the mis is subjective theory of value

some people think it's valuable i don't give a fuck

if some people think it's fucking valuable

to

to fucking shit

sit in people's kitchen sink i don't give a fuck if that's what they think i'm oull wage a fucking cru

fucking holy war against that trend right

because it's fucking disgusting

but we're talking about something that is objectively wasteful

the only reason again the only reason these bullshit jobs exist is because people's time is being wasted

having to work

bullshit jobs

the fockn get by

if we all worked heavy industry jobs

we would have way less hours nestcause the would be rotations

in ships

because there's not enough heavy industry jobs ha it's not true ok first of all it's not true

this country is in need of reindustrialization

and infrastructural change

so yeah that would create a ton of fucking jobs

but to the extent that this labor is not even materially necessary anymore

we can definitely

lower the work day

and grind it down

i mean materially speaking we could probably grind down the work day to

an hour

they did something in the seventies where like it was like two hours is all they needed

materially speaking right to reproduce all the functions of society

so that'd be two hours a day

so yeah we can reduce the work day i mean severely

and then if there's some fucking guy who's at well i think starbucks is valuable ok then in all of your free time

you can turn your home into your own little starbucks

and you can make coffee for people

that want coffee since you think it's so valuable

you can just fuck and do that on your spare time

and everyone else who needs coffee

can just make their own fucking coffee

i i i i don't even make food most of the time right

you think i'm oa focking

be like well

i find it valuable not to have to make my own food

no of course look you give me a fucking button that will force me to make my own food

i'll fuck and click it

as long as it is long as it

eliminates the service industry

so that're just fucking stupid

that's just really fucking stupid

but how i like going to massage par parlors

ok then in your own free time

you can get with your fucking friends and you can take turns massaging each other how about that

guy

at the end of the day the fucking service industry has no reason to exist

nine

anyone who defends the service industry you're pretty much defending

you're defending

the the collective misery of this fuck and society

you're just defending

you know i'm not going to say you're defending slavery but

you're depending

you are defending the in dignity of t

tens of millions of people

right for what

for what

there' is no excuse

the convenience that is afforded to us by the servicing industry

is literally created by the service industry itself

it's created by the fucking eight hour workday itself

if we had more free time

there would we wouldn't need that convenience it wouldn't be

such a necessity to have that level of convenience becuse we would have time

the fo can do this on our own

okay

so yeah

that's what i'm trying to fuck and say

now as far as these truckers are concerned

it seems like these truckers are selfishly putting their own interests

instead

of these like

big economy workers and drivers

i reject that

i reject that

wash your truckers

why should

thank you so much crismos appreciate a big red pill marx continued smith and ricardo's law of value

he did not deviate from it

the marginal utilitarians are the deviation

very true

very true

what

why should the truckers

have to become you know corporate slaves

this is this epitomizing the paradox so fucking much

they say they're doing this to

defend service workers

but the only reason we have service workers is because of the same fucking policies they have

which also

you know coincidentally correspond to the widespread indebtedness and immiseration of truckers

so it's like

yeah it's like a bound ser servitude oh we're going to make it we're not going to let and lift

exploit their workers anymore we're just going to like make them employees

well

is that would gig economy workers want they want to be permanent employees

with all of the bureaucratic red tape that comes with that

i don't know

i really don't know if that's something they want

right i think

i think

part of it part of the attractiveness

for people who do that type of shit is that the convenience of it

so this is this is like something that is done in the name of labor

but it's coming from the perspective of the consciousness

of the establishment unions who think that every form of employment

or you know way of earning an income

follows the same paradigm as the fordest factory

so unionize everything unionize this unionize that unionize the lemonade stands it just doesn't

by

by the way i'm not

not underplaying the way in which gig economy workers

are falcked over

but

if we're going to make it about morality now

why don't we just agree that the gig economies need we should go to the root cause no matter

instead of saying let's

permanently attached

lift and ober drivers

to to lift and hooer as employees how do we say

let's create real dignified jobs

so that no one will need to be gig workers on the side

you know

you know

let's have real jobs that people can do

so they won't have

to take up

these professions

i

i'm trying to look at poles and surveys of

okay

you is

wh i'm being objective i don't know actually

i don't know what the view is

now

bell

ok what a driver thinks i'm going to share with you without reading it because i have not read it

so they may be in favor of it or they may be against it and that's going to have interesting implications as far as

how we should approach the strouckuer thing

melt about ok so here it is

i

we took a survey and this was in twenty twenty

sid

sent on a survey to our email list of eighty thousand drivers

and asked for a nine question survey

it was determined how they felt about

becoming employees versus independent contractors in the wake of the

ron of virus pandemon

what the farct i didn't

ok

seventy one percent of drivers

want to be independent contractors

look at this

i mean look this is a little weird isn't it so this bill which is presumably being passed

on behalf of the interests

of

you know ouberan lift drivers

only has support

among

seventeen percent

of them one in five

where the overwhelming majority

are against it

there is an interesting

you know i think significant

ah

piece of data here though is that pre covid it was much less so after covid

there's more of a support for and i think that support is probably coming from

you know the need after covid for a

here's why i think after coverd

it became more popular

i think because of the lockdowns right because the lockdowns have destroyed a lot of businesses

and also a lot of forms of employment

uber and lift and the gig economy kind of became more of a

there's more of a necessity probably felt by them for some stable job right

so that's how i'm going to explain that they kind of want

a more stable way of living

right i think that's how i explain the increase

but i mean still

seventy percent

want to remain independent contractors

i did not know what the end goal of that i thought i was going to it was not going to be as convenient i thought ok maybe like fifty fifty or something

but no i

the orang majority want to be independent contractors and do not want to be employees

of oober or lith

so why

so who is this law being passed on behalf of

s it's not being passed on behalf of the employees

who is it actually being passed on behalf of

i think the answer is pretty clear

's probably being passed on behalf of the more monopolized

legacy

industries right

including trucking corporations

paradoxically actually

who you'd think benefit from the independent contractor thing but they don't why

because they're not able to actually control

there's in so far as truckers are independent contractors

there is still competition

right

there's still going to be competition

and that is a problem for them

right

you know

when it it probably has other implications as well as as far as their ownership of their vehicles is concerned and things like that

as far as the truckers i mean who fucking knows right

but in some it'll turn them to employees

employees have less freedom

right they're more bossed around

um

there's also other reasons

but i think these are probably the main ones right

these are probably the main ones

so as you can see

this is the lot these are the largest strucker protest to the date

right

so check this out

at the port of oakland

more than twenty one hundred trucks

the go through the terminals each day

it is the eighth

largest port in the country importing a wide range of items from australian wine to meat in aluminium you s

usic

hea

did i say aluminium i meant to say

aluminium

aluminum

i meant to say

aluminum

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anyway

the protests have blocked

the terminal gates

forcing some longshoremen not to navigate through the crowds for fear of safety

docworkers can refuse to enter the marine terminal if they feel unsafe or danger in any other way

the workers stood by on health and safety as is permitted in our contract

and conditions are at risk

so that i mean is this a form of solidarity working class solidarity who knows right but they're also not showing up

m

yeah this is the average number

who are waiting to move at the port of oakland

and it's you know

not looking too good

any delay in trucks

would only add to the already existing congestion so if you're looking to buy a p s five

good luck

i'm just kidding right

but

yeah

so

to the truckers

pledged to continue blockade at the oakland port

over controversial labor law

a pledge thursday to continue their blockade

of the oklahoma port

as the west coast third busier container port

so leve me sed

sayd

so

we're going to we need more details on the bill which we're going to get right

so they make up ninety percent of the bay aar ports operation they're protesting over assembly bill five

which is going to eliminate the use of owner operators in trucking in the state

ok

it was passed and there's provisions in the bill that will prevent independent ober operator

truck drivers from contracting with other truck trucking companies for service

leaming them no choice but to use only employee drivers so it's even more sinister than you can fucking imagine

so these owner operators

wouldn't even be able to contract any of these companies

without formally becoming employees

so this would effectively

destroy them

and their way of life and their their means of earning a living right

so a shitty urbanoid marxist marxoid analysis is a

oh these are just petite bourgeois

people who are getting in the way of

the workers movement even the fucking ver and live drivers don't want this law to be passed i can even say that right

mean but beyond that

um

you are neglecting that these trockers

are at least aspiring

what sum

dignified

way of life

a real job

right

now it's failing for them

they're in debt they're being miserated

this is a form of class war

on one of the last strongholds

of an american working class

bye what's up

i did not see you

all right now

uh let me see

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tensor swear words

it does censor them

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history

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you tube sensors like fock and shit

and shit probably probably censor shit too i mean

right yeah youtube does not allow swearing

the very p g platform

that might have been nic

but im

an injunction in place has prevented the law from being enforced

this is the lawsuit on the thing right

and why why isn't the california government just be like ok this is just for over people

we're going to let

the truckers

continue to exist

think something more sinister is going on where

they're trying to destroy

probably one of the last sights of resistance to the democrats i mean who knows

or to the

the monopoly trucking industry

probably

california is a very corrupt state

when it comes to the sheep

it's ruled by oligarchs

mean who foking knows right

truckers blocked most operations

uh

port

and the u s supreme court denied a petition from the california trucking association

the protest has swelled

and

port officials

believe that the number is three hundred to four hundred

this doesn't sound like a lot

except when you take into account the fact

that's three hundred to four hundred big ass trucks

y

i'm surprised they can even fit that many so yeah that's a lot

some are saying it's one hundred two hundred thirty doesn't matter these are big ass semitrucks

so that's quite large right

m

multiple publish reported indicated that the number grew significantly on tuesday

nearly a thousand owner operators on tuesday blocking access to the s s a

trap pack

and everport terminals

members of the international union of longshoremen and warehouse workers

refused to cross

eighty five

protest picket line blocking the gates

isn't that that's beautiful worker solidarity

so these workers the longshoreman and warehouse workers

are basically you know acting in solidarity with the truckers

that's quite nice isn't it

uh told the to

the the protests block truckgates

they scheduled for three days cand go on longer

and that they're digging in for a whole week

so

and who knows it's going to be another

envoy moment

one of these conboy moments

freedam convoys that going to be another one

you know

the teamsters union has pushed for worker misclassification efforts

so this is the teamsters doing this shit it's the teamsters ok

jason president of the teamsters is about unionizing truckers

every worker every driver deserves the right to have a union all the benefits that come with that

even though it's not what they want i wonder why the teamsters is pushing for this

could it be that it would solidify a definite group of people for the democrats

could it be that it would make the union itself more wealthy

could it be that they are acting on behalf of the monopolies

which the establishment unions do

people don't want to accept that but that is what they do

h i wonder what the reason is

so at the federal level

we're talking about fair competition to advance workers' rights

amongst the areas

a

the imposition of one side and restrictive contract provisions

such as non compete and non disclosure provisions

yeah so there is ways in which

ober and lift drivers are being fucked over

but they're not being listened to because

this is not something that applies to

under circumstances this is just a way to shoehe

leave you know

previous

forms of political bureaucratic

and monopoly corporate power

forcing it on people

who don't want it

while ignoring all of their actual

ripes that they probably do have with blugarin lis

right

so this is not on behalf of them or in their interest so

so what my overall view iss is undercover anklo

great britain

confirmed

thank you new american prole

so i mean a takeaway from this probably the takeaway

for me is hoz

in consideration of the circumstances of a b five

you still support the truckers

you still support the truckers hase

i mean

do do i support the truckers in light of all these interesting circumstances i mean

this is going against the union movement right it's it's getting in the way of what the teamsters want to do unionize everything right i mean that's what a son st marxism is so do i support the truckers even though they're against this w

i have a friend who is a longshoreman here in he tells me rank and file support truckers and won't cross the line youment is pro twenty five well chris morelok i mean you're saying the actual industrial working class the heavy industry working class support the truckers but chris doesn't make any sense the truck

are pi because they own their own trucks that makes them pict bgi and the longshoremen are there are you know workers the're the they're the most reactionary segment of the working class the most progressive one being google engineers but regardless that no you you're wrong chris according to my marxism that does not make

any sense so you're wrong so so i have to i'm really undecided should i support the truckers or not well well breaker one ma this year's a river you got a copy on me com for sure for sure golly clean clear plag come on

and the big thin for there big maan yeah we definitely got the front door good by mercy s looks like we got of course o bucking supportk of course o support the california strers june in a cakn worth full in love cavilver beeat with a reefer own and

we're bringing the freedom convoy to for united states about a mile of it we are bringing the freedoms convoy to the united states i'm about to put the hammer dowre because this is the rebellion and this is the revolution of the mecca proletariat and the mecco working they may have a mag so what thats means to be a real worker

so of course i support the trucker unconditionally conditionally support those how could you eave it ast of back let's get a convoy going in this got even tol in alay but this turns into a freedom a convoy usa belief

e aall com you see the con boy in the jaks on the bumper they even had a bear in the air i say he's calling all drugs this here's the about to go there the democra

big pan makt tory big pan you're still too close to have them ha to starting close up my famly his mercy sakes you better back off another tn interstate forty four like a rocket slit on rails tore up all of our swindle sheets and left them

seting on the scale by the time we did that shat twn and beyer was again smart he brought up some reinforcements from the illinois national guard pyers armed cars and tanks jeeps and rigs of every sizem chicken coops full of theyer chopper guys a we shot the line wen broke with a thousand screaming trucks and living longhired friends

jesus in the sh micro er r skbuster come over muster listen you want to put that microbusy bhind that suicide jockey yeah he's halling down to my me so i have the all you can g

i have the hircups

and the only solution for some hiccups

is some food mo yoto

net randle with the fifty

thank you so much for the fifty at rando

as fifty trucks

there's fifty trucks blocking the port

imagine being calling yourself a buck and marxist

calling yourself a communist

and being against

a segment of the working class

that

actually effect change with its fuck and labor power

i'm sorry to break something to you

if all starbucks baristas went on strike

nobody would give a fuck

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no one would give a far

if all starbucks baristas went on strike

nobody would buck and give a shit

thes nothing with fuck and happen

they would be victims

not being able to get by and that sucks but society would stick keep going right

if trockers went on strike

if strokers i truck

if truckers went on strike

everything would collapse people would literally die because they're not being gettn medical supplies

people would falking die if truck

truckers went on strike

and people want to fuck and claim truckers are reactionary but it's like its i we're living in a

we're living in a bizarre world it'

what kind of funken world are we living in

we're living in a fucking bizarre world

ya

if truckers win on strike

starbucks wouldn't even have

what ca in coffee beans

or coffee fuck and whatever

it wouldn't even have shit

if truckers went on strike

we wouldon't even be able to eat

ah

hey guys i hate i hate to tell this to you

not that whole food thing

like food you know the thing we eat

well it's like we don't grow it in our backyard

and who transports the food from the farms

to you know processing centers or

whose trend it's trumpers

it's truckers

but but they want to tell us the truckers are petit boze one reactionary

yeah it's like it's like you have these people who claim oh i want to revolution i want to work in class revolution ok

good luck with the working class revolution of

barristas going on strike

good luck

good luck with your fugging

working class revolution

of baristas going on strike that is sure to destroy and collapse society

mean that is going to lead to a crisis that's going to collapse the government

yeah

starbucks goes out and we're done

that's over

you know what mark said

the lifeblood

of the economy is lattes that's

mark says the great wellspring of wealth

stems from lattes being put in the machine

ok

pumpkin spice lattes make the world go round

th if

that

doesn't exist anymore

h

there is going to be a revolution

okay

and the truckers that

truck that they own that's a mecca that's a proletarian

form of ownership

it to mecca

it just can't

compounds their labor

o

as what meccas do they compound your labor

molecular transporters will make truckers obsolete

so then do your molecular trend

transports why do you have to make laws why do you have to like draft all these laws to fuck over truckers

why can't you just let

the productive force

productive forces

be unleashed

why do you have to draft these laws

you know it's these bureaucratic parasites w

these focking parasites are doing his shit

talking bureaucrats they just want to control people

they're not doing it to help workers they're not doing it on behalf of ober

lif drivers because seventy percent of ber lift drivers don't want

become employees so they're doing this on behalf of themselves

themselves as funken bureaucrats

is every which way but loose the mekatanki framework

every which i don't know what the fuck that is let look it up every which way but loose

what the fuck is this

watch the trailer for this film

raining again

you want to do something this evening course that well not this evening it's raining now i want to get out now

how about taking in a new movie

ok this squirrels ribbon on be

of course i can you picture him falling hard for a sweet young thing who's got her eye on i surely it's easy how about him fighting for money i guess so darkest secrets to

it's e in you there can't be too many guys

what the hell is this man

drive around this valley

with an ape shit escalating which way its looks mecha tanky though this does look mecha tank there's no like to i used to butter almost wy is there a fucking a ran a tank

is n a a bucking monkey in this

came bired and me

dowmp thatch

ba boon no respect

a what did she say

o private

every which way you look there's action adventure and fun eastwod will turn you

yah that is that was core telling infrare it that monkeys assigned

love a gorilla

that's the

gorilla symbol

symbiology

that is simple symbolism of the gorilla

you know

so yeah

so i mean i think it isn't it funny how it's like relevant to this debate that's been going on

and you'd think that this would be a debate where like two sections are being pitted against each other

lift drivers versus

um

truckers right

but it's not even the case

beause even they want to remain independent contractors

so who actually benefits from this like

these bureaucratic red tape initiatives

it's not the working class it's the fucking bureaucrats and it's the democrats and it sounds like a koch brothers talking point

lip and ship it let the whole world know this

right wing libertarians

i've always been correct

about a lot of things

a lot of things yes there is a fucking liberal bureaucracy

yes

there is a liberal bureaucracy

and there's management and they work hand in hand

with monopoly capital

to prevent

any independence of the working class they can

and part of that means sometimes most of the time

the democrats support every unionization initiative

why because unionization is a form of control

politicization and socialization

and for some reason that element gets overlooked

for some reason the thing that gets overlooked

a lot of falcon workers

hate

having to be in a union

let's not talk about that though right

i mean even teachers haven't the aways told all cause you're neglecting teachers as working class

know many fucking teachers hate their fucking teacher unions

doctor some

they hate that shit

nobody nobody listens to the workers

who resent

their unions

nobody does

nobody does

because we're supposed to be living in this ideological bubble and this fantasy that

oh yeah oh the workers are in favor of munization cause

it helps fight capitalist exploitation

actually a lot of the time

unionization

sorry unions are working in tandem with monopoly capital to destroy competition

if you can't oh if you can't

except this fucking truth about establishment unions i don't know the fuk ca tell you

i don't know what' falgn tell you

you're just blinded byeologicy you're not living in the real world

and the only proof i need to give you this is that

there is

unlimited supply of activists who are who want to get on board with unionization

even before they consult the working class sentiment so there seems to be this reason

for wanting to unionize everything

regardless of whether the working class wants it or not

there seems to be these

political actors

who you know they want to pass laws like the employee law in california they want to do all these things on behalf of the working class

without having any relationship to the actual working class and the actual working class movement

so what is that interest they have is it just morality

is it i want to have a more fair economy i want to be more benevolent no

these are the this is the legacy of the new deal social engineers and bureaucrats

where parasites

and

whether they admit it or not are doing this as a form of social control

and and um

a form of social control

i knew that would not be possible

without their collussion

with monopoly capital

and people don't want to accept this reality

pa

you're against unions

no

the amazon labor union

is something i support

reason i support the amazon labor union

because it was an independent union

created by the fucking amazon workers themselves so of course i support that union

the teamsters meanwhile is corrupt as fuck

and it is aligned with the democratic party and it's from the top down

at least some team teamsters sections like the one in california right now

so no not all fucket unions are good

point blank in period they are not all good

you have to actually analyze the context

y is this coming from the workers themselves is that where the power of this union comes from

where does it come from the bureaucracy up up above

that's the question you gotta fuck and ask

people people

this is the mistake people have right the mistake people have is that they think unions are the primary sphere of class struggle

no they're not

that class struggle was won a long time ago

and capital won that class struggle and the unions became totally consolidated

i a monopoly capital

to the detriment of workers in a lot of cases

believe it or not

oz deprives us working class of twelve censes

good work

what are you talking about

how do you discipline how do you distinguish

between unions aligned with the interests of the working class and the bureaucracy ones oh it's so easy

a

how was how is the union form is the union established or is it like a new union

like the amazon labor union if it's like the amazon labor union

course we're going to support it because it's a it's an it actually has the quality

of independence see guys

independence

if you're a communist

independence is the most important qualifier

is this group

consolidated to the political status quo in some way

or are they independent and free to do

what's actually in the interests of the general population

or are they institutionalized and loyal to some other power

i mean it just kind of seems like common sense right

like for example

right

let's say i talk to a trucker

an independent truckate

he trocker

ims on woom should have nooks

and he goes a

w are you and i talked to him for f

like an hour and he goes

no word i agree with you has

give that kims on noon some nukes he you

brother

okay

and then he starts a youtube channel called north korea nuclear armament now

some shit like that right

guess what

that trucker

you will not be fired

nothing will happen to him

you can do whatever the fuck he wants

you can support

the communist party you can do whatver the fuck he wants because he's independent

that's working class independence

a construction worker same shit

same shit

why

because you need construction workers in this society

and you need them to do a very vital

form of labor

so construction workers can believe whatever the buck they want

and they're not going to get fired for anything

y

but a burriesta

a barista can post

aug twenty twenty four on their twitter account

and all it takes

is some leftist to call the starbucks and they're out of the job

they're not independent

they don't have independence

who's trying to unionize starbucks anyway isn't it the teamsters isn't it like an established union

trying to unionize starbucks you think they're independent

can they actually support whoever they want to support

and let's say you're a communist or europe the forget communs

wegot communists

let's just say you're a populist

right if you're a populist

are they allowed to support you or can they not support

is the way in which they're organized

disposed to supporting you

or is the way in which they're organized disposed to supporting the status quo the democrats right

truth is

let's say there's a populist movement that emerges in this country

right

let's say there's a

populist movement

that emerges in this country

ice hunchll spamming up

a just both s

ya

my debd trucker dad talks about how much he hates socialism

but he called stalin a great man

that's i want to salute that

man

i want to salute your father

but that's what i meean you know

they want the j pill trucker to get canceled then lose their livelihood

thank you so much johnny

that's what i mean

fok socialism man fok socialism

suppose

socialism is for cut

that's a o c and bernian ship

corse we're against that cockshit

we are communists with the capital city

ok we're not these socialistic fucking couples right

because most workers when they hear the word socialism they hear bureaucracy

and democrats and red tape and they don't they don't think of the worker in power

they think of the glasses wearing falkon manager and specialists

and funck a bureaucrat in power

that's what they hear in their head when they hear the word

now it'tan it

ims

no was seven

i'm not

thoh show it

that's what they fock in here in their head

can

yeah you know but regardless

but i'm trying to get out here

thank

is that

let's say there's a populist movement

this country

i want everyone to sit sit down and imagine love tony things onucemre

appreciate you so much

wnt you to envision something

so let's say there's a populist movement

that takes

get that you know that gets off the ground in this country

ight

i

and let's say you're at your teamsters union or you're at your a f l c i o you know union

or whatever right you're one of these established unions

is the social environment

created by that institution

going to be conducive to supporting that populist movement

i don't think it will

i think it'll i think it'll be like supporting maga where it's going to be like oh

don't toleright that here

is your that's

look up the sociology of institutionalization

it creates a herd mentality

we're people who are going against the status quo

have to conceal their views

and can't be open about them

because the institution's interests

are opposed to them

can you support maga in these institutions openly

oh i mean

when you're at your union meeting it's not proper to do that

that's something you do elsewhere right

because as an institution the union is opposed to maga you see

and it's also going to be opposed to a communist movement or a populist movement why

because it doesn't have independence it's a dog of the democrats

period

i mean isn't this common sense shouldn't this be common sense

i think it should be common sense shouldn't it

this is just shit that should be common sense

and guys i got to stll my hadcups i'll be right back i'm going to grab

i sandwich

ok so you see these pills

this is the red pill

of the major

this is the red pill

oh my god look at my fingers they are so torn up

fingers are so

or not

a red pill

no way this is the bluepill

i

we're going to take the blue pill

no

oh my god the tuckers are so toxing

oh my god

guys hey guys welcome to my stream

um today

we're going to be supporting the

we're going to be supporting the the

starbucks barie

guys i want to talk to you guys about marxism one one

no i'm

according to marxism

all workers are workers

so i um

i'm personally a linkedn employee

and i'm a worker

which streamers are workers hassan is a worker

i'm a worker i'm a youtuber that makes me the working class

i'm a work

and

i don't own you tube

because i don't own youtube that makes me a proletarian

i don't own you to

i

i work for you too

i want to own the means of production i want to democratically decide you tube's policy

and the minute i get to democratically decide you tubes policies i'm going to ban all

pro russia content pro stalin content

i'm going to censor the fuck on of this website

is that what democracy means

i want democratic control over my workplace

and yeah democratic control is just going to ensure

like you know the complete control of the democratic party and like you know the world economic forums agenda the globalist

and we're pretty much just going to like enforce you know

we're going to make sure that everyone becomes trans

and

there's no more gender assumptions and think that everyone in the workplace is going to like

have to like not engage in micro aggressions excuse me that's a microgression

that's what democratic control means

be personally

i just want like to be there to i want more control in general i like more

i want like you know all those things i say on twitter

all time

um when i'm like cancelling people i want that i want to actually like have real life power

ight

but's going to be like the twitter mob ruling in real t ime so excited democratic control of the workplace yes ha

what is this

is this a red pill

is this a red pill

what is a red pill

i'll eat it and i'll eat anything

is it the agin

i ad swgan

valut the rend

oh

guys i'm back what happened i'm blacked out for like

five minutes

anything happened

blacked out

what i miss

i didn't chew anything dumbass i didn't chew it i just swallowed it

oh okay

all right i'm going to do a hakim impression ready

i'm going to do akm impression

going to do a hockam impression the

a lot of youeople think that swinen is not actually socialized

all theyre wrong

seden has a socialist economy

looks out for its markers

hoo was democratic control over the workplace

many people do not understand that public transportation

given free health care benefits and sweden

that's democratic control of the workplace for a moneyless classless society

i'm a cam

i just basically one of the economy were glasses wears are in power and people who are glasses are the ones who can froll everyone

i support a working class movement in the centr colonial state

because the only working class are hipsters

and nerds like my sound

i basically got swirles in iraq and was bullying in high school for wearing glasses

me communism is basically goning to solve that problem and i'll be in charge and my bullies will be in jail

i don't actually live in iraq

a mexicane american who lives in wyoming

and i pretend to be a ranki

inora rack had spring college

i have to pay medical attention and

i'm reason

welcome to swin in

im would impersonate jink

one

is janke wiger

he's jon

i'm just like a normal liberal american just like any of you

i mean i don't know

i'm trying to tell you i'm a normal person

what we don't know about any of that

and the patriarch of russia

who is talking about l g b t people

you're disgusting

we didn't sanction that guy

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nancy pelosi

o you yell at her but we all we have to bote ripten donald trump

they'm not turkish at all i'mbout the middle eastern

a normal white liberal just like you a normal american

i'm a regular white american just like you' not in a in star

there's nothing middle eastern about me

here about antie imperialism

when the uus can go to war with the middle east i don't care

even if the s invaded turkey i wouldn't mind

you need to realize that i'm politically grrect liberal just like you

alex jones pisses me off so much

got table with roger stone

what did you say about trum

of course

and enger

was basically talking about it

and of course we don't want

to get rid of

social security and medicare

but the

force the vote itjust going be ridiculous

if

the whole thing

look guys i was a beging wh you say here that

you know the justice democrats that whole thing fell through

we need to keep voting for the democrats we got to keep doing it

we gota keep doing it guys

we gotta keep doing it

on arm

what

you know i

i've basically tried to copy

the mannerhisms of you know the local democrat in my city council

what are i

i'm

you can't really blight me for the

if you're tired of watching the young turns

welcome back to hakkim where you can learn about real revolutionary theory

theay we're going to be talking about how

we're going to be talking about the working class

workers are pretty much people who are employees every employee is a worker including s

hello

hello it's me hakim

ron is pretty much an imperialist power

it's the same thing as america

reigning imperialism is harming the working class

hello

me how came

russia's imperialist war is an inter imperialist conflict

lenin wrote about this in his book

he like to quote latin a lot despite not understanding him

that's mainly because i have a linen profile picture and i basically have the same view as linen

as the soviet revisionist rusta ights in

i basically look at lenin as a glorified laberal and a social democrat liberal

i'm hacking

this is the hakim stream

i'm paul moron i'm going to put a crown on his head even though i'm a marxist light in his moulist

and ant you re visionist

hakim has more subscribers so i'm goinga suck his deck

i have no principles at all and i'm a wrecker of my local communist party

my name is paul moran

bas

jason andrew kack

hi you paiy for i'll do it

let me finish the sandwich

why has house taken so long

reason is because that he was taken up in

i'll do a brief jason on roof as you bait we ready

basin on roote is going to be on

today i'm only talking about

ors is a freaking light

and but funny that you mention that

is he never actually considered

i play fam

i'm playing fball

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you're freaking liar who's putting words in my mouth

i never said i don't support

first world workers

that is a bregking lie

and i never said

i

believe

that

theyre indigenous americans and black americans

you're fricking christian bullshit

needs to be burned

to the ground

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the best one i

right

breaking pathetic coward

for frecking pathetic cow

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oh so

i was recently talking about

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they need to be destroyed

m

i can't tell you why

but it needs to happen

that's my best

who else is there

what else should i do

as's on

yeah i was basically on dealing with it the other day

i don't rekon know why

why are people talking

about this

sicch to dude i don't even know

so if you want to know basically

not a ononsm

larouchites

like that

infrared

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and it's not particularly interesting

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oh no

as

is an extremely insecure individual i can tell because

he's doing that thing where like he looks at the camera and he like basically trying to like see how he looks like i do the same thing i

all times

but anyway

ukraine has a dangerously

um

he doesn't say

i'm supporting vladimir putin and other auspicioes

dictators

the name of anti imperialism

oh like that thing we're like

oz was basically trying to say that he supported fastis

mmhmm

yeah i just wanted to inform you that i wasn't eep laughing

it was not audible laughter

you couldn't hear it because my microprohone

i promise you i wasn't just pretending to laugh

to appear less socially awkward

i am after all

a normal person

like everyone else

anyway

l c

has basically talked about and i think i would support it if it was

fact

get around to it

bob sis the most pampule one

does that thing withere his fucking

he has the most weak posture in the world

that's how he laugh

mean guys if you're sick of the wash stuff

that was nonsense

you're really sick of it

here's a sicret

ilcome back tony cam

youtube channel

toy were going to be talking about how in the soviet union

every liberal can get on board with some

union

it was the so union actually could

auction in a similar way

so

basal i sa it right down

job

as to exploit the value of the workers working on it

and they don't even know how to do it

i was single the whole ikim thing

i don't really much thing you can do

and

the exploitation of the amount of calculations for doing it were actually much higher

and actually

it's actually

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excellent

doing it in the case

and excellent

and he's doing it the right way

that doesn't take into account

course the

ons of pro notction

when i actually think about it i'm like a

worky young guy who sounds

actually i lot like i'm in a spiderman comic

i'm spiderman

son law like spidermn

i'm really innocent whathen i say

excellly

as

it's in a really noncombative tone and

basically want to get around to people that i'm really not a harmful person do matt christman crying about practice

thank you chris i will

n one he will

know that i'm

harmless person

and actually when you put the productive inputs of it we're actually not really different i don't get why people are against communism when it's pretty much the side of ignorance of the american educational system

actually communism is really harmless and toothless

if you're a liberal you can easily get on board and that's where my pipeline does i convince liberals to agree with communism

and marxism because you know actually there's nothing really

oh

revolutionary not at all i'm basically just a revisionist performance social democrat

and that's why i'm making it so popular to all these liberals and

in the trump people are

toxic actually so

if you're a grad student

you have really no reason to be against

a revival of socialism

because socialism is wholesome chunkus and i read it everyone

like hakeen

akim has never made any enemies except with

that infrared guy and that infrared guy only hates me because he's actually mentally ill

the also have people lk

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that that's reminding me

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nski

gordon peters and i cannot do a kyle impression

but i did want to see the jordan peterson

thank

h so i noticed

he just the other day

you were banned from twitter

now you know i'm somebody nobody can argue against my

lefty credentials everybody knows i'm a man of the left

having said that my my solution

on this issue of social media censorship has always been

look we need to expand first amendment protection

and the way you do that

is to regulate

these ys number one kyle was faced

kind of became cringe deny

he is cringe isn't he

yes

i'll quinch

big social media companies

like their public utility

so if you do that then you you know basically you're saying this is the new public square

and people can speak their mind here now that doesn't mean of course you can't

you know

docs people or do direct threats of violence or anything like anything that's actually illegal will remain illegal but outside of that

you can't censuor people just based on

political opinion

so you know i definitely wouldn't have

band you suspended you etcetera

but i do have a question about that specific

tweet that did get you in trouble

because you know you said something to the effect of

but i don't know if it got me in trouble

you know i don't think i'm in trouble twitter banned me but i don't consider that trouble

that's fair enough

fair point

um

but you said some of the effect of remember when pride was a sin

and i

and

the criminal finale has just had her breast

cut off by a criminal physriminal physician exactly so my question is

e

is the physician really criminal if you agree that adults can decide to transition

then why would the physician be criminal

don't adults have that right if they want to transition

he's doing that thing we're in news

's actually a delay

but there's no delay here so it's like

he's like puk i didn't think that

he's eight

i just bright

you know what here's why i sympathize with jordan jordan was just tweeding shit man he was just

he was just tweaning some shit he wasn't thinking about it

i do the same thing all the time

he's like braight

you going to make me explain some shit

wh

said what i said

however you want to i sympathize with nin

not everything legal isn't criminal

and do they have that right

see i would have left ellen page alone if she hadn't been parading her new abs in a fashion magazine

how many kids do you think she can

convinced to convert

one yet thousand

no not yeah

no no i want to i want to respond to that

i think that

with the trans i think i think jordan is more

against the agenda

i don't think he cares about private people

doing it

and he's upset

that like

it's being

made into o

public

see like a lot of people say she like hause

what

what about in china and north korea

look regardless of the status of l g b people in china

with their parently they're saying china is an l g bd paradise

spoiler it's not

there's an experimental clinic in shanghai the most cosmopolitan

western city in china

china has very decentralized and lax rules when it comes to

the medical industry in general

mean that's why in china they did that fucking gene editing thing

which they later

said ok that was not a law we didn't agree with that

because china you can pretty much experiment with anything in china right

so people took that transgender youth clinic in shanghai as evidence of china's overall stance

it is not true

but if i was going to entertain you and say it is true right

let's just assume it's true

all that would be an indication of is that the chinese people have that sentiment because in china

they don't have top down agendas to force

cultural norms they respect

a pace of mors and cultural norms

as they organically exist among the people

they don't try to force

things that the majority of people find distasteful

on to people

that is why china doesn't have the culture wars we do

and the only reason china

has a large feminist movement and they call you know

that's what they call it

because there's a lot of women in china

who are feminists

but in terms of top down agendas those don't exist in china

far as cultural mores are concerned

social mords

i'm not talking wid like you know sometimes the government will make statements a cracking down the video game industry

cracking down on effeminatee man

but those are already in line with chinese traditional cultural mors

this wasn't like a front

so radically different from the sensibilities of the chinese people

thank

so that thatya

they don't

i'm with the

what'm trying to say here

this is not about the lgbt people

it's about the manner by which you are trying to force

moors and norms

at the expense of the majority of people's sensibilities

that's what the cultu war is actually about

the culture war isn't about weather you know

how will transpeople become accepted in society

someday will gay people be accepted someday

it's not what it's about

it's about the way in which you're trying to effect

these cultural transformations from the top down

which is also a proxy for the class interests

of the parasuitical you know new class

the professional managerials

so yeah that's what the culture war is actually about

community it's very

it is not about the actual content

right

similar to the gay community where

back when that first became a big issue people thought

ohf we talk about it

in magazines or whatever

we're promoting kids to go down that path

but really what happened is

people are who they are and that is gay they just decided to be a little yeah i'm gay and they were just more open and honest with

selves i don't think you're promoting people to do that that is not what happened if youre is rejordans right that is not what happened

it's literally not what happened at all

he's all right about that

i wanna see if he's going to be honest about this

narw that it is oka

ok or i tinately i'm listening

there's nothing about that that's right

so i explained that i st in an absolute look one of the reasons that i

opposed bill c sixteen in canada to begin with

pronoun

compelled speech bill

was because i knew perfect jording got a little emotional there

it's not a good look

but maybe it speaks to his authenticity

and genuine inticity

it is genuineness

well what was going to happen i like the word genuine to city

when we introduced

confusion about gender identity into the public

ce original a tacitity

you

now the argument was that if we

left

people with gender dysphoria alone to make their own way

and stop torturing

that

we would decrease the mental health load on those individual

and my analysis as a clinician was that for every

one person of that sort

that we hypothetically save

we dom a thousand more

as a consequence of confusion

and the social contagion

i knew the literature on i think the where you i disagree with peterson is a

it doesn't have to cause that confusion i know it is right now so i grant him that much

i don't think it has to though right i think there's a way to

not have to be confused

but i do understand it is confusing people

you know

on psychogenic epidemic

they used to call that mass hysteria and so literature that goes back about three hundred years

and whenever you i'm so against this idea like oh gender is just like

a choice and you know it's all arbitrary

or worse like there's no way to know

what gender you are

so it a lot of people start doubting shit

for reasons that aren't necessarily the same as like genuine transgender people

and it causes a lot of confusion we're like

you know it seems like

it

could

can i didn't say this

more transgender people than there actually are

you know what i mean

like a lot may just be out of confusion you know

produce

often when you introduce social confusion

you can produce a psychogenic epidemic

especially among

generally it's adolescent females who are most aceptive

so i thought oh well what's going to happen is we'll produce a psychogenic epidemic of gender

orea among adolescent females

and that is exactly what's happened

and it isn't

the fact that we' freed up people who are

what

in

doubt about their identity to be who they are

that may have happened in a tiny minority of cases

absolutely and definitely the case that we doomed thousands of kids to brutal

mutilating surgery and the when you

that's why that it does bother me when caause like when you tell kids

you may you know i mean it is going to fuck them up let's be honest

premature

sterility

and we've done that on the altar of our hypothetical moral virtue and compassion

yp

i read a car

corport analysis of the trans surgery industry last week

growth rate projections

for you lefty types and your anti corporatism

growth rate projections

fifteen percent per year

invest now

a three hundred fifty million dollar business

as of twenty twenty two

i's been invest in that ship man

i have no principle i just want to make money

seriously that's what marx and engels did they invested in anything

i'll invest in anything to make money mother fucker

ho't why get on investing in a some shit like this

two

projected to expand is as it will grow i should have thought of that as it is growing

a she will grow man

seven hundred fifty million by twenty twenty i know as a public influencer i can't just do things individually and not

have

oh shell significations can i just be an individual guys can i just be an individual

without having any social meaning to it

like for example

i say

i wan a far in public

rop those people

and never see them again

no don't wanna hold it in

i walk by m and crop dustm according to

can't i just be an individual

does that have to be a social message

does that have to be a political message

does that have to be an ideological message can't i just be an individual

letist turn everything into a social message

can't i just be me

a lot of the times i'm just being me guys that's it i'm just being me is the difference is that i'm real i'm a real mother fucking

person

i'm not someone who virtue signals a social identity i'm real

i do want to make money mother fucker

i do want to make money

i do

one i

have a yacht

and a fucking lambo in shit

i got a free yacht and a free lambo you think

yeah i would sell it honestly i would sell it

but let's say hypothetically

can i just have a week i just want to week ok

give me one week of being on a yacht and shit or three weeks three weeks me you know give me one month

one month of yachts and lambos and shit

and then i'll just like work only for the communist party just give me one month

just with the yachts and lambos and shit and then i'll go back

surely for the comies party

how about the

bas

the old argument was society and institutions condemning it was unnatural now society and institutions promoting it is natural

yeah

yes

thank you so much chris

yeah yeah true

seven

no moral hazard there

there's plenty of moral in a hell cat lambou is lame but i like that italian

i like that italian

his i

no let me i want to pull up

to an art gallery

in a frok and lambo

pearl hazard wire

and that's surgery

absolutely brutal

so what percentage of the population do you think

in your conception of how this is unfolding

what percentage of the population do you think

hes going to end up being trans at the end of

do you think like you're one is now going to be like seventy percent you know infrared is not a political movement infrared is just media this is a media thing

so

now everything

i'm me i'm har

i'm not doing sh on behalf of cause

all the time

weor even most of the time to be honest

am haas that's you that's what you get

tune into infrared you're getting hots right

mm

i'm not doing this on behalf of the communist party

because i'm not in that party

the tell you to join the party if you want to effect

some change is

in society

we know a res strands

well we know already that about one in five

adolescentce now

identifies to you

you know i'll get michael hudson on the show

that

hated words

identifies it as part of the hypothetical l g b q plus community

so it's one in five

i don't know what the upper limit is

there's a consulting group in the u k now that's claiming there's one hundred and fifty different gender

there's actually i suppose seven billion different genders if you want to get technical about it because everybody's temperament differs

but

i don't know what the upper limit

a hundred and fifty

a hundred and fifty

yes

and i have no idea what the upper limit is for this surgical intervention we'll see

doesn't but i don't find it i don't find it the least bit acceptable and if you think that your compassion

is demanding

that you extend your

m

pity

to the l g bt q

plus community

at the cost of sterilizing

in john

pen

you should think again

you're on the wrong side of this

and not in a troble way

don't i

i do i

would appreciate if you don't ascribe beliefs to me that i don't have remember my original question

was what you said earlier i said question i said you know pagees an adult and so do you think

that he has the right to he

that was the original and comments after that

yeah but as a star

and a public figure

and a model for emulation

mmhmm

she also has the responsibility not to entice

confused adolescent

into a catastrophic decision

before they have the maturity to make that decision

i just have to say jordan i think it's a little bit of a moral panic

i just don't see

some sort of

that you know

frenzy ok what would you consider m trand

see this is what broke

if you

i mean kyle if you had the opposite opinion you would get canceled

so do you have opinions that gets you cancelld

is the question

i don't think you do

so what it how do we know if your opinions authentic

or if you're biased

right

what

first of all that's a hell of a way to put it

why don't you take a look at the increases in surgical interventions and see what you think

i mean how many do you think many

look if we're talking i'll answer your question i'll answer your question

the argument is it

it used to be very repressed because that's very outside of the tradition in the norm in the standard

and that now we want to let it mod all and that's a little bit press

what used to be suppress all the as an entire l g b q community i mean it was very recently we've t of all marijana united states fst of all they're not a community

i agree

i grew with jordan

one thousand percent on that

there is no community

that's just based on

being a sexual minority

hey that's not what a community is

i agree with that so much

no i'm

no actually neither

i understand it nor you and that's why we're delving in

first of all they're not a community

that's just a catchphrase it's a buzzword

and i'll tell you something else that almost all the kids who are

undergoing surgical intervention

the clinical literature is absolutely clear on this

eighty percent of kids with gender dysphoria

identify as homosexual when they mature

eighty percent

and that means the vast majority of people who are being converted

surgically

are gay

now how is that an advantage to the gay community

precisely

no i see i'm not i'm not taking a position

in any way shape or form

on

the kid

because

i don't know theyre you sure about this to comment on the kids

well but see that's why we're having this conversation though is because

my original question was a beout kid the adults

and what your take is on the adults and it sounds to me like

that let me ask this would you ban

transition surgery for adults

i don't know

really

yeah really we're paying a big price for it and i think

i think jordan you could just say

speak for jordan's position right only his

i think what he wants to say is

i want to ban the promotion of it i want to ban the normalization

but i don't think he wants to ban it itself right

he just wants to band the promotion

just like russia russia doesn't ban l b t q but it bans promotion

that i think that it was

it was a

an act of stunning humris to conduct the first

trans surgery procedure

but and it's not obvious to me at all that it's been a net social good

and so aren't there some people that are obviously trans

who were born in one body they feel like they're in the other body and when they're an adult they can make the decision and then even from just a freedom and liberty perspective shouldnt they have that right

even if they do it and then they regret it should they have the right to try it

good question

i mean it's tricky one right because

there's all sorts of surgical enhancement

procedures that are obviously

it's not obviously appropriate to make them illegal

and i don't know exactly where the cut off line is so

speak and that's partly why we're having a public

discussion about i think

you can get a surgery for anything

like you can get a surgery

oh there's really nasty ones you know you can like

you can like falkon

split your tongue into four parts and shit

there's really fucked up servery

just weird shit brocke

i don't want to g home my god there's really fucked up there

yeah i izak talked about one

one time zijak talked about his surgery

that is so fucking disgusting

i'm not even gonna tell you guys what it is

but let's just say

it gives a whole new meaning to three sums

it's really a gross surgery

really gross

but

this this this entire argument

in many ways is

stated so idiotically that it almost defies

scripture

what do you mean

feel like

you're in the wrong body

what kind of measurement is that now hang on a second

i was going to room hos for these sorts of diagnostic decisions

mmhmm okay

the rule is that you have to make a valid and reliable diagnosis

that's if you're diagnosing to know it's not the human centipede it's actually more disgusting

depression or anxiety or obsessive compulsive disorder

or cancer or anything like that

there are standards that you have to abide by

in order to make a diagnosis in order to fulfill the obligations of your professional calling

if someone comes to you instairs

i feel like i have lung cancer

that is not you know jim bum got it

it is extremely fucking this

yah ya it's i can't i can't

i can

this is disgusting man i'm not about to falg in throogh up

just thinking about it makes you want to throw p

sufficient grounds

upon which to formulate diagnosis much less proceed to surgery

mmhmm

and so the question is

what do you mean by seeel

what is that is that an emotion

is it a motivation is it a philosophy

solion

what is it

le let me explain let me explain to you what i mean let me explain to what i'

so i've been doing my show for about a decade

and about two or three years into doing my show there were you know some stories here and there that i covered about

the trans issue

somebody who is trans reached out to me and explained to me in a very straightforward way

yeah look i was born

biologically female i

feel like i'm biologically male

my reality is that lin up

well

i'm just explaining what theyve said and then you can respond however you'd like to respond

and they told me

as soon as i

got the surgery

change the way i dressed

change the way i appeared i felt phenomenally better

and so that's why at least for me this was the answer

now i think it would be incredibly arrogant for me to say back to that person

no you shouldn't do that or i know better than you do for yourself

and that's not to say that every time somebody does this it works out well of course

because everybody'san individual

but in some instances that's the answer

so you know me as a simple outsider i just look at it and say hey whatever float your boat if it works it will look

most of the time my attitude is you can go to hell in handbasket anyway you choose

if you're an adult

now the problem this problem is complicated and compounded by the fact of the necessity of medical involvement and the ethic

on the medical front

so

when you asked me about how that should be regulated my answer was i'm not exactly sure about that

yet although it isn't obvious to me that the

that

it's obvious to me that the trans surgery enterprise has gone

we

too far

way too far thousands of people to

and i'm

certain

that it's harmed

exponentially more people than

all right guys what you just saw was a teaser clip

from my podcast with dr jordan peterson

so you have to see the whole thing

i don't want anybody to think oh my god

this is out of

this dude looks like an n p c from the witcher

a schick child holy fuk th his channel sucks

he's doing worse than jackson was

he's got a million subs

and his videos are only getting fucking forty k views

this is

hawkbroll this is the death of a channel

and he's still making money off of it

how much is making on patrio

shak the patriot

set patriot

' still making money

mm

wo he's making a lot of money

for comparison i got only one hundred eighty patrons

think

yeah i have just how many patrons do i have

atrion dot com

later

i got

a runs

ah takes a whig

i have one hundred and eighty eight

i have a hundred and eighty eight patrons

think something like that yeah

so this is a lot

this is a lot

this is a loct

all right this is like a lot good for him

good friend

at least is that you know at least he's not totally under it's

it's not like he's being censured

like jackson inkle was

i

the people who trusted me

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