CHARGING INTO BATTLE

Minister with the

Three, what's going on, minister?

What's going on, Vaquero?

Appreciate y'all.

Appreciate y'all.

Which I wanna give out a reminder about something, okay?

Bitch ass people who sit and allow the intro to go for 30 minutes because y'all are kicking it back.

Y'all kick it back.

I'm going to wait till the intro is over.

I'm going to wait till the intro.

Y'all keep waiting.

Stream's going to be two hours.

So y'all choose.

Y'all choose.

the content.

You can have two hours, one minute intro.

Everybody has to wake up immediately.

What we need, we need new devices, the kick notification for the stream,

Needs to

Be attached to a taser that literally shocks you when I go live.

You get shocked.

He is shocked.

Anyway, this is technology, Azerbaijan technology.

We're not talking about it because it's top secret stuff.

All right, we're not talking about it.

It's pretty top secret.

This is what the in infra-link is a new type of neuralink we're working on, infra-link.

Anyway, y'all, let me tell you something.

I got some plans.

All right, I'm gonna be boosting up infrared big time.

And what I'm gonna be doing is I'm gonna find a way to streamline this because I gotta absolutely streamline it.

But what's gonna end up happening is I'm gonna do a fuck ton of clips.

I have these long form tweets that I'm always doing and I take hours just typing them sometimes and I put a lot of thought into them or whatever.

The algorithm is not rewarding them straight up.

So I somebody gave me an IGG a great idea.

I'm gonna follow up with it.

I'm gonna start recording clips.

And that way, you know, I need to know how to streamline it to get the transitions and get the backgrounds and get it with the attention economy type of shit.

But I'm going to start making clips of inst, not necessarily like instead of typing it out, it's going to be my script.

And I'm going to actually be in front of a camera yelling.

And I'm going to make it like that.

I'm going to make them TikToks.

I'm going to make them for whatever, maybe Instagram.

Although I like keeping my Instagram chill on the chill side.

But at the end of the day, you know, it is what it is.

Because if I'm spending this much time on X, I should be turning that into video, right?

And if I can get in the groove of just recording videos and shit, that would be sick.

I'd be on my TikTok grind.

I don't want to keep making promises.

I'm not going to follow through, but I'm going to give it a try.

I'll just tell you all that.

I'm going to give it a try.

But listen, if any of y'all have experience with that, but I need them like rapid, like rapid, rapid, rapid, rapid, rapid type of shit.

Like pumping them out like every day, you know?

I don't know how people do that necessarily.

I'm going to have to like study and research it a little bit, figure it out, because I definitely don't have experience on that front.

You know, but I'm gonna figure it out basically.

Alright.

So we might not be able to do the confront the chairman shit.

I'm not gonna lie.

Okay, I can't host it.

That's the problem.

I can't host it.

Somebody else is gonna have to host this space and I can join as a guest on desktop.

But unfortunately, BlueStacks.

is super fucked.

I have to log into X again.

Man

What the helly are, what the hell?

What the helly?

It's just sign me out.

Yeah.

You know, uh, y you you know, you know, you know.

By the way, did you guys like my TikTok streams?

'Cause I did streams on TikTok.

The problem is, I don't know how to monetize those, but TikTok is pretty fun.

Gimme a second, y'all.

Gimme a damn second, if you will.

Gimme a second.

But l yeah, look, um, at the end of the day

You know, what I'm talking about is

Some real ass shit.

You know, that 'cause that's the attention span.

It's like it's not that the content is impossible.

It's absolutely possible.

It's just the attention spans are all messed up.

So people don't really know how to read, but they can definitely watch a clip and be chill with it.

You know.

Anyway, that's just my interpretation.

That's just my interpretation, but uh

Damn, what the hell is going on, man?

Uh, I'm definitely in a pickle right now with this blue stacks bullshit.

Try to

See if that works.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope, let me try this one.

Uh this is a big yikes.

Big time.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yikes guys, I'm not gonna lie.

Okay.

Blue stacks, I don't know what the fuck is going on, okay?

I'm gonna try to fix this.

Ah ah hold on.

I might have a solution to this.

Oh okay, hold on.

I might have a solution.

Give me a second.

Ah, okay.

All right.

I think I have the solution.

Give me a second.

I'm gonna fix this, game.

I'm gonna fix this.

What a fucking terrible nightmare.

Holy shit.

This is like the worst fucking day.

Now watch this.

Ah, I know what to do.

I know what to do.

To fix it?

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

So things are shaping up on the optimistic side for now.

I could jinx it.

But there could be a chance that this works.

Uh and we don't have to use the shitty browser version?

Yeah, it worked.

It worked.

All right.

thing?

Okay.

Alright guys, we're good.

Golden.

Alright, we're good.

We're good.

Let me continue.

So I'm gonna.

All right, y'all gonna have to boost the space big time, okay?

Hey, boost the damn space, k?

Um

You know what I keep putting debate, Q and A, discussion?

I'm getting fucking rid of discussion.

What an idiot I was for putting discussion.

I don't wanna fucking have discussions with people.

Sorry.

Not tonight, I don't.

I wanna have a Q and A and a debate.

I always put discussion and then I get mad when people yap, but that's just because there's discr discussion in the fucking

It was literally in the name.

So, look, guys, the space is chill.

I'm gonna get the link to copy it.

Everybody's gotta boost the shit out of the space, okay?

Gotta boost the space.

Space will not have a chance.

If it's not boosted, straight up, okay?

Hold on.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're good.

We're good.

Here it is.

This is what you got.

Now, forget that link I gave you.

Boost this.

Boost the shit out of this.

You gotta like boost it to like 200 minimum.

So, boost the shit out of it.

Don't sleep on it.

Literally, everyone in here has to boost.

And I'll delete it.

I'm deleting the post after the space is done.

It'll be saved on the stream only.

So, boost.

Y'all can do it.

Boost the shit out of this.

Um, we gotta get this on the algo, or else nobody's gonna fucking show up, all right?

People have to be able to see it, duh.

It's not rocket science.

Anyway, um

I need s I need co hosts, I need somebody to co host, who can co host.

Who can co-host?

Um

I'll give

Sewell and Kayla will get co-host.

If you can.

Uh okay.

Everybody, make sure to boost this post.

Everybody can see it, okay?

Now, let me talk about what I wanted to talk about and I'll get the ball rolling, I guess, you know, because usually I'm not supposed to have to have content lined up for the confront the chairman.

People are supposed to just do that, but a lot of people don't do that because they're bitch made, you know.

That's okay.

It's okay.

Anyway, you know, um, I made a post today.

I invented this thing where Jolani is a laboo boo.

That's gonna be our next post, by the way.

He's a labooboo, and I'm gonna define what a labuboo is because I did that the other night.

A labooboo is a fake demon, and a labuboo has the beard with no mustache, and that's what Jolani and that whole thing is.

Jolani is a laboo boo, and Pazeshkion is a laboobu.

Okay, they these are labooboos.

And they got, you know, they show the teeth and they talk a big game, but it's just some laboo boo ass shit.

That's just the truth.

A lot of big talk, Joel Lanny.

And all the internet fanatics or whatever, the Salafis, whatever you call them.

I can't believe it that it all culminates in Jolani.

It's a pathetic disgrace.

And it has led me to actually, I'm thinking about, I'm looking into Oliviism.

You know, I'm kind of leaving.

I'm done with this mainstream bullshit.

I'm done with this mainstream bullshit.

I'm done with all of it.

I'm Kizelbosh.

That's what I'm.

Kizelbosh.

You know, I'm an esoteric, mystical, Islamic sorcerer.

I'm not all about this LARPing nonsense where you are grandstanding, pretending to be this mighty religious whatever, and then it's Joe Lanny.

Joe Lanny has ruined it.

Okay, Joe Lanny is a disgrace.

This guy's name is Criminal on Gaming.

Let's add this guy.

Criminal, go ahead.

And this

Yo, unmute yourself.

Why do I have to tell these idiots how to fucking

Use

X.

Go ahead and unmute yourself.

Alright, you know what?

Get the fuck out of here.

Get this fucking guy out of here.

Yo!

Go ahead.

What are your thoughts on Jakov Sverglov?

Uh Sverdlov is okay.

I'm sorry I couldn't hear you.

Sver Sverdlov?

Yeah, you you cut out, what did you say?

He's okay.

No issue with him.

Okay.

That's your only question?

I don't know.

I just want to say hi.

You want it to say hi?

What is what do you what?

You think we're friends?

Get the fuck out of here.

You know, some people, they just want to talk for no reason.

I mean, what do you think of Sverdlov?

What a great, beautiful question.

What a beautiful question.

Dawn Lander

Go ahead, Dawn Lander, what's going on?

And they disconnected.

They disconnected 'cause what?

'Cause I mean.

Welcome to the Real World.

Slime, go ahead.

Uh uh Haz, I have a question uh uh regarding your position on degrowth.

Okay.

Uh yeah, I heard you saying that you're not a fan of degrowth.

This is like uh I think it was like an old clip and uh like climate change is like getting out of control and uh like w why don't you support the degrowth movement?

Like that's that's my question.

Why don't I support killing all Africans?

I don't know, 'cause I'm not a psychopath.

Uh no, but degrowth is like uh reducing uh it it's like reducing industry and reducing population.

I don't think that's perfect.

Yeah, because to support a large population, you have to have industry.

Absolutely, you do.

How do you support billions and billions of people?

And not just billions of people, but what people that have access to medical care?

You know how much energy medical care requires to power hospitals and have medical technology and infrastructure, to be able to have healthy lives, to be able to have comfortable lives, to have cooling so they don't die of heat stroke, and to have good sewage systems and clean water and all this kind of things.

Sorry, buddy, but this whole thing of like going back to nature or whatever, you're talking about killing off the majority of human beings, okay?

A majority of human beings are like capable of surviving uh before we had like too much industry.

And I'm not gonna get rid of all industry.

What are you fucking talking about?

There has never been 8 billion people until now because we can support 8 billion people.

We could not support 8 billion people when we're living in the fucking jungle.

There was only like 200 of us.

Okay.

So what are you talking about?

Just think about this dumbass shit you say.

My position isn't really like regarding the third world.

It's mainly like towards the west.

Like in America, like the average person consumes like 20 times more than the person living in like a poor country.

So that's a like that type of degrowth is kind of what I'm talking about.

I'm not against cutting back against wastefulness, but this idea that Americans are living like kings is a complete fucking sham.

Okay.

Americans have very poor quality of life indexes, extremely poor nutritional intake, extremely poor health, extremely poor access to basic things like parks and nature and fitness and so many things, education.

Look, Americans have access to cheap plasma screen TVs and they have access to junk food.

That doesn't mean that they are you know Americans have to suffer more than they already are.

What Americans need is a dignified life.

I'm not against cutting back against wastefulness and inefficiency, but this idea that Americans live like kings, it's a total lie.

That's just not true, though.

They consume like 25 times more than like the national average.

How are they not living like kings?

They all have like automobiles.

They all have like massive suburban houses.

How is that not living like a king?

Who makes the automobiles historically?

We do.

We made it ourselves.

It was American labor that made all of this shit.

So, of course, we have a super abundance of vehicles.

We absolutely.

By the way, the reason why Americans are so rich is because of that.

quote unquote rich because the wealth is being measured in terms of automotive vehicles and things that have engines and shit.

Yeah, we have a total super abundance of all that shit.

Probably the most in the world.

But you can't eat cars.

It doesn't mean we have access to healthy food and healthy ways of life.

It doesn't mean we have access to good infrastructure.

It doesn't mean we have access, you know, to good public services.

It just means we have a shit ton of metal cars and clanky mechanical things.

That's very true.

We do have that.

And by the way, that's not a bad thing to me.

The bad thing is the fact that people use this to somehow mean that Americans are like super loaded and wealthy.

It's just not true.

They can't even afford homes, you know?

Bro, the average like American, if you look at the house that our average American is living in, that's more than like literally like 90% of the population of the globe.

Like, what are you talking about?

Have you seen like a suburban American house?

You think the average American, first of all, lives in these McMansions?

A, which they don't.

B.

Like, how many people live in the suburbs?

Like, just Google the percentage.

It's a lot.

Okay.

It may not be a lot of time.

You know, Google how suburban is defined.

Okay.

I bet you there's trailer parks that are being defined as suburban, right?

Technically.

So, you know, what you're talking about is nonsense.

All right.

You're saying that Americans are too wealthy living in Kings.

Even if you were right, let's just assume you're right, which you're not.

What's your point?

You want to start a movement in America for people to become poorer?

Good luck.

That's all I can tell you.

Like, what is the solution?

The point is, is to cut down on the production.

Like, you literally said yourself.

Okay, tell me how.

Let me explain.

Let me explain.

You literally said yourself that, like, automobiles, like, there's such an excess of automobiles.

Like, that type of production should just end because the whole supply chain of producing automobiles.

People on the sidelines and say that.

Like, I'm so sick of people not understanding that you can have any fucking idea you want in your head, but to get it done and get it realized means you have to have a message that is actually going to get you into power, that is going to have masses of people support you and back you and have credibility in their communities.

If you don't have the fucking power to do something, I don't give a shit what kind of good idea you have.

It's useless.

How do you actually do it?

This should happen.

This should happen.

This is my policy.

This is that policy.

Okay.

How do you get it done?

You just snap your fingers or what?

You yell at people and say, until people listen to me, I'm right.

That's not how it works.

The premise of the whole like prompt that you have here is to debate something.

It's not like to like show you what you're saying.

I'm asking you how you're gonna sell Americans on the idea they should be poorer.

Bro, you can't sell Americans on that.

You just have to do it.

Like the people in power, they have to realize that there's a likelihood of people in power listening to you.

That's not even the original debate.

The debate was regarding to degrowth.

You say you don't support it.

Okay, the people in power are already doing what you want.

America's become deindustrialized.

We've cut back on Medicaid.

We've cut back on public services.

And that's just been a tendency for decades and decades.

The government is spending less on the people.

People are getting poorer.

They are getting more impoverished.

So you're getting what you want.

So what is there to debate when everything is going your way?

But like look at the amount of trips like an average American takes on an airplane or like how many vehicles that they own and stuff like that.

That all I'm talking about.

You know what?

You should hit up Desi Graham and you should hit up the Republican Party and just be like, you know what?

We need to punish Americans more.

Look how many airplane trips they're taking.

They need to be fleeced more.

What's going on?

You should do that.

I don't know.

They might be receptive.

I just don't know how they're going to get re-elected with these messages.

Bro, you're just putting words in my mouth.

I'm talking about the globe.

Like, you don't think that we should be reducing the amount of products and the amount of things that are being produced?

That's just a general philosophical question.

I'm not asking about practicality.

I don't know why you're so irrational.

I reject your bourgeois worldview where there's such a thing as we, and this is Michael Jackson.

We are the world.

We are the people.

Who is we?

Who is we and who's going to do this?

Okay.

You're living in bourgeois la-la land where there is one subject and we all just sit around and talk about what we should do.

Democratic society.

No, no, no.

Society is divided into classes, into different interests, into different groups.

Power is how you actually implement things.

It's a struggle and it's a war.

How, what's your strategy?

Don't tell me you want to win a battle and don't tell me what your strategy to win the battle is.

Because what you're talking about assumes winning a war, but you think this is Michael Jackson's we are the world and you don't have to do that.

So how do you win the war to win the masses to get what you want done?

To be a political subject and to have ideas

Means to have a strategy.

If you don't have a strategy, what you speak is worthless.

Otherwise you're already getting the ball moving and people are listening to you.

In which case you don't even have to talk to people like me.

Where did the gentleman go?

Do you leave?

Red Neri, what's going on, man?

Lionel, what's going on?

Okay.

Alright, let's bring up Lyle.

Go ahead, Lyle.

Hey Lyle's gone.

Let's bring up Matthew.

Go ahead, Matthew.

Can you hear me?

Yes.

Yeah, so I'm curious um why you think that Zoran Mamdani if he's 'cause I've seen you've said like he's kind of uh another Obama or is a fake or phony.

I'm curious why you think the Zionists are so pissed at him, um, if this is the case.

I'm not, you know, inveying either way, I'm just like curious what your theory of of what's going on here is.

I think that Zionists are extremely hostile to anyone who suggests even the slightest amount of pushback against the Zionist agenda and even slightly criticizes Israel, quote unquote.

So that's why.

It's just because the, you know, it's an extreme, extremely fanatical, out-of-touch type of psychopathy where anyone who even remotely criticizes them is, you know, completely hounded and attacked.

Does that mean Zohron is this, you know, um.

This extremely principled, independent guy.

No, it's not enough to qualify that way in my eyes, right?

But that's why he's under attack.

Thanks, that's all the questions I had.

Alright, for sure.

So

Alright, Rambly's back.

Let's bring him up.

Go ahead, Rambly.

Real quick.

Get it out of your system.

Okay.

Hello, Haas.

Hello, old friend.

I've come back.

Thank you, Rambly.

Thanks for saying hello.

I g Rambly's on track to not being a furry anymore, I guess.

He's learning, you know, he's he's basically t he's he's uh signing in to talk about

How he's on track to recover.

So, um

Who else is requesting?

Who else is requesting?

How many holes do women have below the belt?

Uh who's requesting guys?

I don't know who brought him up.

Uh Lyle's connecting.

Go ahead, Lyle.

While you can speak.

Okay, where are you?

Can you hear me now?

Yep.

Okay.

Um, so I just wanted to talk about an uh experience I had where

Um I che I checked out the Twitter account of the I think it's the official ACP Twitter account on it for California.

Um

And they had posted something about uh the the head person of SEIU, um one of the SEIU uh union organizations, was uh arrested by ISO.

I forget it.

It was during a protest, I think actually.

Um

And they put it a solidarity thing.

So, my experience with SEIU, I've been represented by them several times in my jobs.

And I've dealt with wage theft, all sorts of mistreatment, illegal mistreatment in at least one of these jobs.

And the local SEIU, 1021, is the one who is representing me, was not helpful at all.

And I became aware that they're part of a corruption thing.

I live in Oakland, California, and we have a problem where our mayor was arrested for corruption.

And SEIU 1021 is like one of the major supporters of her, and how these local corrupt politicians get elected.

So I'm curious.

I thought that was really interesting.

I mentioned something about it, and the California ACP account took down the solidarity thing with the guy from the SEIU.

It was the farm workers SEIU.

I thought that was really interesting.

And I'm just wondering how what the strategy is for a communist party that's dealing, trying to gain a foothold in a country where the existing left is completely co-opted and is part of the problem.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So i i is there a strategy for dealing with that?

Yeah, because and then another thing that I'm concerned about is um

Uh

you know, getting people who are right wingers to be or who tend towards that side of things to be able to be attracted within a Communist Party.

I think that's definitely possible.

I think you can frame things in a way where a lot of uh workers will, you know, um support their own interests.

I'm just bringing these up as things that we should be thinking about.

I'm curious to hear about.

what the strategies are that that anybody else is using or, you know, pursuing at this time.

I'm over.

Okay, thanks for the question.

Appreciate it.

All right, Jacob, go ahead.

Oh uh hello, um can you hear me?

Yeah.

Okay, great.

That's just still in my cheek.

Yeah, I'm from New Zealand, so it's a little bit like less relevant me being on here.

But I do have a question.

I hope you haven't taken it the wrong way.

But yeah, I'm not a fan of Trump, but the other day I heard Donald Trump, he gave the speech about how like I think it's like a made-up story.

You know, these stories the boomers tell and they're you know tell when they're made up.

Yeah, Jacob, I'm sorry, but I don't know what a person from New Zealand could possibly ask me that could possibly be.

of any value.

So that's the issue.

Uh can we bring someone else on?

It's just like, what's the angle here?

Like, what's going on?

You live on an island in the middle of nowhere.

What could you possibly ask me that's of any use or value to anyone in this space?

Mm-hmm.

Go ahead.

Oh, uh hey.

Yeah.

So uh I was talking to people in your chat earlier um and I was asking them why why you guys don't adopt fascist aesthetics just like just as the fascists adopted uh communist aesthetics since labor was like uh a movement with so much momentum back then, right?

Like National Socialists, in in name only, but in aesthetics.

Because the aesthetics are garbage.

I think this uh well, I think the aesthetics are actually what a lot of people desire, you know, like a sense of discipline, organization, and that was taken from the communists, so what are we talking about here?

Oh, well, I mean today to today if you wish to you know rehabilitate the name of communism since I'm not interested in feeding into the historical falsification which by proxy you know claims that the left-wing communist tradition is fascist is because a lot of the things about the fascist you know pageantry were stolen from it.

No, I'm gonna stick to the roots and say this was our communist tradition and you know fascists stole aesthetics and they stole a vibe of you know collective militancy and shit.

I'm not gonna give them credit for that because they don't deserve it because fascism was an ideology which basically said you know might is right it's all about the supermen who can win wars and then they lost the war.

So it's a completely discredited meaningless thing.

I don't even know why anyone in the world sure but okay I have another question.

Yeah.

Um, so regarding fascism, do you think that fascism could be cl could bring us closer to class consciousness than liberalism?

Because A, the means of production are at least are controlled by the state.

They might not be owned by the state.

They're not controlled by the state, okay?

It's a state.

But the state, the surplus value goes to the same factor.

Under fascism, the state is literally a tool of cartels to enforce their monopoly.

That's all it is.

It's literally a tool to engage in union busting, to clamp down on competition, and most importantly, to bail out monopolies when they fail on the market.

They get bailed out.

That's what they did in Mussolini's Italy, and that's what they did in Nazi Germany.

That's all the state isn't in command of anything.

The state itself is subordinated to rounds of fascist economies are centrally planned.

Do you think it's just like they are organs of monopoly capitalist cartels that use dictatorial power of the state to literally siphon wealth and funds to them that they couldn't otherwise get in a free market democracy?

So that's what it is.

It's a big scam.

And then they put on pageantry and say this is a mass movement of the masses.

It's just it's literally just the around it's a roundtable of monopoly capitalists getting together and openly hijacking state power to have their interests fulfilled.

That's all it is.

Okay, sure, but I would ag I I agree with that, but in terms of rhetoric, would you say that it is effective rhetoric at mobilizing a mass movement?

Or like at least stealing the the momentum of labor back in the day?

Uh no, it's not.

All it did it didn't it oh the look the fascists in Italy took power because they were able to organize thugs to just go and use violence to beat up the labor movement and the workers.

Labor was very passive because it wasn't being led by militants.

It was being led by the socialists who were very reformist oriented and very they were Gandhi socialists effectively.

And so that's how they would get to power.

The reason they got to power in Germany, it's the same thing.

The communists were late because there was confusion because there's still a conflict with splits from social democracy.

The social democracy.

Do we think we should adopt the same militancy?

What?

Do you think we should adopt the same militancy?

The Bolsheviks were the original militants, okay?

That's the issue.

The Bolsheviks were the militants.

It's just that in Germany, the Bolsheviks got massacred by the Social Democrats and suppressed by them.

And in this way, it gave a huge window of time for the Nazis to capitalize on the posture, the niche of being against the monopoly of the Social Democrats on politics, who people did resent and were sick of.

So that's what happened.

The Social Democrats killed the Communists and then the Nazis took the place of what would otherwise have been the Communist position of opposing the Social Democrats and it made them popular.

And by the time Communists could get back on their feet, it was like too late.

Okay, that's these are very good answers.

One final thing.

So would you agree that the fascist the fascist conception of the fascist conception of race is really just an intersectional analysis of class?

And modern fascists do not call for class cooperation, but they call for like the outright removal of the uh what they think is the ethnic ruling group, which in reality is just class.

So do you think that you can easily turn fascists over to Bolshevism by telling them, well, I mean, all the capitalists regardless of the racial stuff, it's all sadism.

It's just a sick, sadistic thing.

It has nothing to do with.

The racial stuff is just a type of cannibalism.

It's a sick sadism.

That's all it is.

Absolutely, but the racial the undertones of the racial stuff is that there is some sort of uh there is some sort of thing controlling finance capital and they think it's a race, but in reality it's just a class, right?

So why don't why don't you i it w I think it'd be very easy to push them in the direction of realizing that it's class, pushing them towards class consciousness.

Look, uh the masses of people are the battleground, okay?

If the communists don't win the masses, all sorts of creepy monsters will win them, okay?

So, what can I say?

Alright, uh fair enough, thank you.

Okay.

All right.

Uh who else is requesting?

Psychonaut, go ahead.

Oh, can you hear me?

Yes.

What is your opinion on basically sort of Bordega's equivalent of like left communism, which is really just sort of this idea of like this sort of ultra-Leninism that is like against even it's just fascism?

But what's your on the idea of even viewing democratic centralism as essentially like a deformation and needing to be no Bordiga was a pervert who rejected dialectics and he is just a fascist.

It's just simple as that.

Okay, that's it's fine.

Okay, then.

My second thing, I just wanted your opinion on something not really a debate.

So Nick Nick Land obviously, if you've been looking at Anthony Post recently, he's hidden the like below the barrel at this point.

He's now saying like the whole China and Vietnam are like national socialism of the twenty first century.

I think it's totally wrong.

Like

His analysis is basically it does remind me, like, his whole neo-reactionary level has gone to like the point of like Susan Sontag.

Like, he just thinks, like, having an army is fascism.

Like, having armies fascism, anything involving like patriotism.

It's not new.

It's not new.

Land has always had a very specific idea of fascism that he got from DeLoz and Guattari.

So, what are we talking about here?

That's what I meant to mention.

But.

Oh, I was initially, I just wanted to ask you about the, my first, you sort of just immediately shut down.

My first question was about the whole Bordiga thing.

The main criticism, like, if you just want to like steel man it for a sec, his main criticism of like even democratic centralism is that even under the party state, it essentially recreates the same issues observable in essentially like a like Western liberal democracy, like the idea of like devolution versus like unitary government, like rotten boroughs, all that sort of stuff.

Look, Bordega, when I say he's a fascist, I mean it.

Okay.

I'm not just saying that.

And the reason is because he has a very specific comprehension or a specific rejection of dialectics within Leninism that is the same as the Nazi one.

It's the same as the fascist one.

And all it does is disguise an extremity of liberalism and crisis, unable to reconcile itself with its own contradictions.

Because.

Leninism takes and it sublates liberal democracy.

It actually keeps certain things.

Um and and and

Regrounds them in a new way.

And that's the only way you actually overcome it.

You have this twisted, you know, sado-masochistic relationship between fascism and liberal democracy.

There's no overcoming, there's no reconciliation of the contradictions within liberalism.

It's just the negation of liberalism permanently suspended and therefore inexorably connected to it.

So what can I say?

He rejects dialectics.

He rejects the third term of the dialectical process, just like Trotsky, just like the rest of the ultra-left.

And that's why they have this affinity to fascism that they do.

And even it's true historically that they have this affinity.

Well, obviously the obvious thing that most will point about Italy was uniquely in Italy.

Vogue was examples like the What Italy needed was a rediscovery of the modern democratic tradition from the countryside, just like what happened with Mao in China.

Okay, d democracy doesn't need to be bourgeois necessarily.

It doesn't have to be methodologically individualist.

But there are aspects of bourgeois revolutions which Marxism doesn't completely and fully repudiate, but seeks to rediscover and reproduce in a new way.

So yes, absolutely.

That is absolutely how history advances.

History doesn't have advanced by annihilating every aspect of the previous epoch.

That negation is itself.

By itself, without the third term of the resolution, the negation is just part of it.

It's just an attribute of it.

So, what can I say?

So, basically, you're sort of like, I obviously are calling him like a fascist in the which in Italian.

Yeah, I mean, like, geopolitically, he was very arguable.

World historically, okay, he was aligned with fascism.

On a war historical.

I'm like just even I'm just actually giving you some ammunition here.

I'm just saying openly that obviously uniquely in the case of Italy even beyond like the beefsteaks in Germany or the Labour Party and Oswald Mosley and all that sort of stuff in Italy specifically there were a lot of these Italian socialist and communist party members who did basically just collaborate with Mussolini essentially to say I'm aware that was the that's why Trotskyism got the reputation it did because this these were all the people disappointed by Bolshevism and they all went to fascism

So essentially, like you're you'd basically say like bordergism and like his sort of ultra left calm Leninism stuff would have the same criticism against it as like basically extremely crude, extremely vulgar, unrefined, and having its basis fundamentally in an completely incomplete and lopsided grasp of Marxism in the first place.

You know, Lenin was a humble guy who went in the cave and re and studied Hegel to understand Marx.

You know, these freaky, weird ultra-lefts, they just have a lot of assumptions about what Marxism is that's based on social democratic dogma.

They take these assumptions to, you know, inevitably extreme conclusions because they they have unexamined assumptions that are based in conceptual dogma.

At no point do they go back to the source and actually try to understand where Marxism itself came from in the first place.

So in your mind basically like the main floor of it would be similar to the old I think that's enough of me wanting to talk about this.

Levant, go ahead, 'cause it's like I'm not gonna have an entire stream talking about such a boring fucking topic.

Go ahead, Levant.

Yeah, my disputes are a bit short.

One is uh I think the uh American Communist Party is a bit too idealistic and uh another is I think a mix of communism and capitalism is better off than full blown communism, for example in the uh you know, housing sector where, you know, up to this date it might be faulty or people might want more independence in things like their own homes, for example.

So you think we're idealistic and you're saying that the realistic thing is to have a balance between capitalism and socialism?

Capitalism and communism?

Okay, capitalism and communism.

You just kind of mix them up.

No, no, I said capitalism and communism at first.

Like, for example, in the housing sector.

Yeah, you just kind of mix them up and mix them, mash them, and combine them, right?

Well, for example, the state can take part in housing, same with individuals, because you know, where someone lives, for example, if the state fails in some aspects, let alone more independence might be wanted than in the housing sector.

I think that's a good start to mix them both.

It's a mix.

I told you that the word capitalism that you get from econ textbooks is literally just a scam by monopoly financial capitalist cartels that are taking over public wealth and are doing it under the pretext of these eternal principles that they call the free market or capitalism.

But in the actual fact, it's just a complete scam to deceive stupid people into giving them more power than they already do.

And that, as a matter of fact, there is no such thing as an ideal capitalistic system that after 1929, okay, we are already transitioning into a different mode of production.

And we're a long way in already.

All of the actual wealth.

Is produced socially.

And today, money, it's just created from scratch by governments in the form of fiat.

And, you know, when you're talking about, whoa, you've just combined capitalism and communism, and capitalism is when the guy has one cow and he sells the cow.

And it's like, you're just extremely confused about what capitalism and communism is.

It's just the truth.

Capitalism isn't some personal principle.

It's not some principle according to which individuals should be allowed to take economic initiative and do things in a decentralized way.

It doesn't even mean the presence and reality of markets.

Capitalism refers

A mode of production or a society where the dominant tendency.

The dominant logic of production is based in capital and the accumulation of capital for its own sake.

Now you take that to its logical conclusion.

You're talking about making money from money.

You're talking about interest.

You're talking about the accumulation of debts and all of these incredibly incomprehensible financial abstractions.

Um being the the the idol upon which the actual society we live in has to be sacrificed for.

We have to be sacrificed and our resources, the ability for us to calculate how our economy should be run has to be completely um determined by, you know, what what is best for financial speculators and all these stupid abstract numbers that just

Amount to what?

They amount to the centralization of power in the hands of unelected, unaccountable oligarchies that violate the sovereignty of people in the form of their constitutions and states.

So, when you're talking about capitalism, you may have in your mind some kind of like ideal system.

I have in mind the reality we're living in, and that's why I think you're the idealist one.

You talk about we should have it capitalist.

What we have right now is a tiny minority of bloodsuckers who rule the world.

and are usurping and hijacking the sovereignty of peoples.

What we have is the complete decay and destruction of civilizations, of nations, of countries being plundered by deindustrialization, by underdevelopment.

That's what we have right now.

That's the reality.

Mafia cartels of families, of dynasties that just rule at the expense.

Of the multitudes, the vast majority.

So, what's your solution to that?

Because that's a situation.

It's not an idea, it's a situation.

Go ahead, speak.

But I mean the Soviet Union also had oligarchs.

It faces the same issues.

What oligarchs?

They didn't have oligarchs.

Well, that had, you know, corruption higher ups.

You know, that's one of the aspects of what led to the Soviet Union deteriorating.

The corru i it had corruption, sure, but you d we're not talking about

The entire logic of production being determined by financial abstractions that are ultimately meaningless when it comes to improving people's quality of life.

Sure, you had corruption, absolutely.

But when all was said and done, everyone knew what the economy was for.

It was for the benefit of the majority of people.

That's what it existed for.

You didn't have this open plunder and robbery that has become normalized where they say, oh, we have the free market.

Oh, we have capitalism.

And all it ever amounts to is putting people deeper in debt and deeper into slavery, where basic needs like healthcare and education.

These are being stripped away from people.

Basic benefits that they would get even working for a company.

These are being stripped away.

And pay more rent, take out more loans, to pay for your existence.

Keep paying more and more tithes to these feudal lords.

That's the truth.

That's what we live in.

I mean, that's the reality.

I mean, can we go to the Soviet Union and recreate that?

No, we can't.

It's a different era.

It's a bygone era, completely different conditions in a completely different time.

But you know, Russia in the 90s, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, however corrupt the Soviet Union was, they were suffering mortality rates that were comparable to the wartime ones when they were fighting the Nazis.

So that's how devastating the destruction of the Soviet Union was for the people in Russia.

Was the Soviet Union perfect?

Absolutely not.

But it was the foundation and the basis.

I mean, for example, China, the most powerful country in the world, most advanced civilization in the world, had the basis and the foundation of a type of economy that was similar to the Soviet Union.

From that basis, they were able to become as dynamic and reform in the way that they did because they kept that foundation.

You get rid of it and annihilate it wholesale.

You don't have that f or you or worse, you don't even have that foundation to begin with.

Then, you know, we're not you're talking about uh you're talking about a situation where most people are being lined up for not even just the slaughter, but just to decay and be abandoned.

Look at America, look at Texas floods, nobody gives a shit.

They're just abandoned.

We don't have public infrastructure, we don't have planning for emergency, nobody cares.

There's a nihilism, there's a negligence.

All that people care about is the bottom line on Wall Street.

The most basic needs of people to survive are just starting to be completely abandoned.

That's the reality of capitalism.

You can talk about the ideals of I have one cow, I sell my cow and get a bunch of cows.

Yeah, that's an ideal.

The reality is what we're seeing in America today.

Go ahead.

Yeah, but with you using the China argument, that kind of backs my argument because China is a hybrid of a mix of communism and capitalism, for example.

Okay, you know, but it's semantics.

Because if we try to make America more like China, okay, what would be the backlash by the system?

They say it's communism.

So we give China the credit, we give capitalism the credit for everything good in China.

But if we try to have aspects of the Chinese system, that's extreme communism.

So at this point, it's semantics.

What are we talking about?

I mean, put it this way.

You were raised in a country of, I don't know, let's say you were born in America.

I don't know if you were.

330 million people.

All your life you were taught this is what communism is, socialism and capitalism.

That's normal, and that's what the words mean to you.

Okay, China has over a billion people.

And it's ruled by a Communist Party and they have a different teaching of what socialism means and what capitalism means.

So who's correct?

The people who are living it, who for whom these words actually have meaning, or the USA, which has no ex see China experienced capitalism in the past, it experienced everything in the past.

They're more of an authority in defining what socialism is than we are because we never had socialism.

It's an abstraction to us.

Go ahead.

So i so you disagree that communism and capitalism shouldn't be missed mi shouldn't be mixed in certain sectors like the housing sector.

I reject the idea of mixing them because I think those terms are political.

If you think those terms are just economic, then it's not a matter of policy.

It's a matter of different stages in the evolution of societies.

But if we're talking about politics and policy, the word capitalism is a signifier for acquiescence to the current actual monopoly capitalist class.

And I totally reject any compromise or acquiescence to the interests of that class.

I don't believe we should compromise with these speculative landlords.

I think we should wipe them out as a class wholesale.

Okay, well that's all I really had to say, but I I I my dis my rebuttal would be, I think, more regulated capitalism on the side of mixed communism.

Yeah, and I I just see that as cuckoldery.

It's just I just see that as like

You know, what we were talking about, it just means Ted Cruz is in power.

That's all it means.

To actually have teeth to challenge the system, you got to be a communist of the capital C.

You got to be at war with the system.

You have to be a radical who breaks with the system, who rejects the system, who rejects those in power, who calls them out and stands up for the truth and is bracing themselves for impact for the war that they're going to get.

Because I don't care how moderate your reforms are.

We were shown with Bernie Sanders, even just to have health care, they're going to go to war with you.

You better be ready for that war.

Doesn't matter how moderate your policies, doesn't matter what your program is, be ready for war.

If you say we don't want our money going to Israel, okay, they're going to treat you the same fucking way they treat Osama bin Laden.

It doesn't matter how moderate or extreme you are.

So all that matters is that you're prepared to fight.

And the only people who are prepared to fight are communists because they have no illusions and no delusions about the nature of what politics is.

It's a war.

It's a class war.

No expectations that this is going to be the end of the Lorax.

And they're going to, and I say, let it grow, let it grow, let it.

And it's all going to be like everyone coming together, singing and holding hands.

No, we don't have that fucking illusion.

We don't think that love is going to prevail and Kylie Jenner Pepsi is going to work.

We have no fucking illusions about the system we live in.

That's why communism with a capital C can't compromise or mix with the label capitalism because we know what business we're standing on, just advocating for reasonable things, not extreme things, reasonable things.

Anyway.

Um

Modding.

Go ahead.

Hello.

Strail Stanny was up.

Go ahead.

Hi.

Um so I've been listening to you uh talk every now and then over the past few days about um barbarianism and um most recently about uh Iran and in uh in contrast with uh certain other um um uh Middle Eastern civilizations uh which are more prepared to kill for Lubu Boo than for the sake of um any justice or any um greater vision.

And

I relate that to thoughts I've been having lately about the objective conditions under which revolution emerges.

Justice, justice, grand ideals, these sorts of things.

I don't know that you would disagree with me if I were to say that these I mean, these are this is window dressing for what actually motivates a revolution, which would be desire, which would be the expectation that something will change for the better and that by some miracle one might benefit from this.

I totally disagree.

Um I would like to know why.

Because revolutions are not acts of all the masses getting on the street together, and that's a complete bullshit lie.

Revolutions are a detail of military conquest in history.

That's just the truth.

Revolutions, a revolution is a military act.

It's not an act of all societies simultaneously, you know, jumping up and down and getting out of their homes.

And it's like the Hollywood movie Reds and Le Miz.

Do you hear the people?

No, no.

A revolution is a.

It's a military act.

It's a militant thing.

Okay.

And every revolution in history worked like that.

Nomadic conquerors came.

The people that lived and died by the sword came.

And they

They got rid of the people that, you know, that ruled sedentary civilizations.

And if they stayed in power, it was because of the passive acceptance of the population.

Right.

And so in China, the PLA, you know, it swam among the people like a fish in the sea.

But at the end of the day, the PLA, those were the nomadic conquerors.

They took over China.

The amount of people actually fighting with guns is a minority of the population.

And it's always going to be a minority who are the militants who actually are organized enough and cohesive enough to enact political change.

The Bolsheviks were, Stalin called them a military religious order.

The Bolsheviks were a minority of the pop.

Not everyone's going to be a Bolshevik.

So.

Support from the masses and the people.

90% of it is passive.

The 10% of active support is very important.

But at the end of the day, human existence is based on labor.

To be a human being is to be a laboring being.

It's not to be a political subject.

Politics, according to Marxism, is not a good thing.

Politics is a parasitism because human existence should just be about labor, should be about living.

Okay, that's the purpose of life is to live.

Politics, a way of living in devotion to deciding how people should be led and all this kind of stuff, that's an exception.

Because the subject of politics, by definition, if you think about it, it's a 95% majority who are just living normal lives, human lives.

So, you know, the problem we have, there's no issue in terms of, oh, we're not in a revolutionary.

The problem is an issue of organization.

The problem is an issue of leadership.

We don't have the militants.

We don't have the people.

And why don't we have them?

Because they're not being led in the right ways, because they're not being organized and they're not being guided in the right ways.

The material is there, it absolutely is there.

But the clarity, the consciousness is not there.

That's the factor we're missing, the consciousness.

Absolutely.

Absolutely fucking lootly.

It's a theory problem.

It's a consciousness problem.

I mean, material conditions are totally fine.

People don't have their shit together because they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

And they don't know anything about the world they're living in.

Literally nothing.

Um

I suppose that's consciousness.

I'm concerned with a bit more detail about consciousness, because I'm thinking in particular about these types of people who are militants.

And if I'm thinking and if I'm trying to explain their behavior and their willingness to fight from a material perspective, I can't say that what they're really concerned with is justice in itself, with regard to some absolute principle that they're loyal to or functionaries of.

Ultimately, people persist in spite of these explanations that they give their actions.

I'm sorry, but you're not going to convince me that the Bolsheviks were looking to have the prices of bread be lowered.

Because Bolsheviks were people that lived terrible fucking lives living in Siberia.

They sacrificed everything.

These were people that sometimes came from very, very wealthy backgrounds, like Zherzhinski, who came from a noble background, noble lineage.

These are people who could have chosen to be lawyers that are successful.

They could have chosen to be very wealthy.

They could have chosen to use their talents and skills elsewhere.

Instead, they chose to dutifully serve a higher cause.

You can't explain the Maus and the Che Guevaras in terms of some kind of vulgar, you know, material self-interest.

You just can't.

There's no way.

How do you explain Che Govara doing what he did?

He ex what he's he he wants the price of luboo boos to go down.

He don't give a fuck about that, okay?

I guess that sounds to me like the kind of perspective that I try to get away from as a kind of as a kind of idealism.

I think that we have to understand.

It's not idealism, okay?

What you're talking about is a vulgar, it's not even vulgar materialism.

Vulgar materialism, that's the French mechanics and maybe Spinoza or something.

What you're talking about is just cynicism.

Cynicism is not materialism.

I'm not suggesting that people are are purely I'm not suggesting that looking at things Yeah, people are motivated by living a life that matters.

People want their life to matter.

They want to have it be for something.

That's not idealistic.

That's just

Yeah.

If you really want to get into the weeds of Marx's human materialism, of the human for

uh himself for itself and how Marx comprehends morality and principle and all those kind of things.

I recommend you read the early Marx because he provides a materialist framework that explains why people from a materialist perspective

I'll do this, but

You know, the the cynicism thing, it's just nonsense to me.

I guess I don't believe that people are ultimately only motivated by kind of ulterior motivations.

I guess I'm not trying to say that Lenin or any of the Bolshevik militants only expected to lower the price of laboo boos.

I'm not saying that they weren't prepared to die.

What I want to understand, and I guess this is the answer that you, this is precisely the answer that I wanted, that I wanted, what I want to understand is the fact that they were willing to give their lives, that they could have been lawyers, that they could have been any of these types of things, but there is...

There is some means by which someone in a position typically disposed to someone in such a position typically disposing its inhabitants to kill for labooboos is instead willing to do something um that most of the time we can only really explain in terms of you know fealty to some higher justice for its own sake.

Well, look, how do people become a Che Govara?

How do they become Lenin?

How do they become Zhershinski or Mao?

You know?

How does a human being become that?

Well,

A lot of the time

People, you know.

Are confronted with something called truth.

And they're given a choice.

They can ignore truth and do the convenient thing.

or they can be in the embrace of truth.

And they can live by correct principles and by what's right.

And some people make that choice.

And all it takes is a minority.

That's all it takes.

Most people cave to social pressure and they cave to what's convenient and what's immediate to them.

But some people are motivated by something bigger because.

They see the falseness of immediate social satisfaction for whatever reason.

They comprehend its falseness.

They comprehend that.

Their humanity and their existence is not being satisfied in the immediate consumption of things or getting the approval and satisfaction of their peers.

That there's something missing that this is not fulfilling.

And I think all human beings, by the way, experience this.

It's just that not all of them have the intelligence to comprehend what that thing which is missing is.

But sometimes people discover it, sometimes by accident.

And once they discover it, it's very difficult to sell out unless you become disillusioned.

You despair and you become disillusioned and you become cynical.

That's how people sell out.

When people sell out, it's not because.

you know, their appetites are so strong and the desire that compels them to want to consume is just too great, that can be overcome with discipline.

The problem is that people lose belief

And loss of belief is an existential form of confusion.

It's not a default state, it's a form of confusion.

And ultimately, a form of misery.

There's not a single happy person in the fucking world who doesn't have belief.

I don't care how wealthy they are, how much money they have.

I don't care how easy they have it.

There's something missing.

And they will tell you that themselves.

So sometimes, when people like Che Govara and Lenin and Mao discover the thing which is missing, which is truth, which is a life in service.

To a greater cause, which is an authentic existence.

To live in commensurability with one's being as a human, not just as a human, but as a

A real being

Why would they trade that for anything in the world?

Why would they trade something invaluable for anything else?

What is more valuable than that?

What matters more than that?

I've

tried to convince myself to do various things with the very same sorts of put it this way.

Some people are intelligent and some people are stupid.

That's the truth.

Because some people will say, Oh, I'd rather I'd rather um

I'd rather have a Bugatti.

That's a short-term desire.

You're going to get the Bugatti, you're going to get fucking bored of it, and you're going to realize it doesn't fucking matter.

People who have intelligence say,

I already see where this is going, I already see myself driving Ubugadi, and my existence is not fulfilled in this.

But this cause

This does fulfill my existence.

This does satisfy my existence.

This is a proper way to live.

And they have the foresight to comprehend that because they understand what it is.

They understand that cutting past all the bullshit, which is impressing your s fellow stupid people about how many how much shiny, dumb, bullshit things you have, ultimately doesn't fucking matter and it's not worth living for.

It's just not.

I mean, ask the people who made it and they'll tell you.

They they're all shooting up drugs to pursue

Other pleasures and desires, because it's not enough for them.

It's not a real human existence.

Every single person who lives in this stupid animal-like way of just wanting short-term pleasure is fucking miserable.

And and actually, the people that are living for money to get their grind up, it's the grind that's motivating them.

It's the story of overcoming and persevering against all odds that's giving them meaning.

Once they fucking make it, they're the most miserable people in the world.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying.

I think that you're absolutely right about it all.

I guess.

Um you were you were um you were right to say that there that I probably have reading to do with Marx.

Um with with regard to

Understanding the greater cause that motivates any revolutionary as part of that revolutionary's own cause, as one with.

the their nature after a certain pleasure.

Um, something ultimately akin to the sorts of superficial pleasures, but only more not a superficial pleasure, because you know what it is is that ultimately you realize something in life.

Very few people end up realizing this, but some manage to, and these are the people that become the revolutionaries.

You realize something in life that all of your happiness, all of your suffering, all of your pain, all of your pleasure, the whole spectrum, everything you go through.

All of it is not for you.

You are not the subject, it's really not for you.

Everything meaningful, everything noble, everything enduring.

is at a scale of history.

Something so beyond ourselves.

That all we can do is live a life in service to it because it's not for us as individuals.

It's just not.

Human beings exist at a scale.

Of multitudes and in time of generations.

And this is what matters.

This is what it's all for.

And when you start to realize this

That almost all human suffering is meaningless.

It's absolutely meaningless, for no reason, for nothing.

You're unhappy because you don't have

The money that you want.

You don't have the things that you want.

You're not the person you want to be.

All of this is just meaningless.

And what actually matters is something so mor so much more fundamental.

So much more essential.

Where I suppose I'm going to have to and and on an in an on an instinctual level, I absolutely agree with everything you're saying.

On an instinctual level, I feel that, and I feel that and I know what you're talking about when you talk about the rejection of and the the uh worthlessness of superficial goods and the fact that there's no really no really explaining um you know human suffering in terms of any grand cosmic meaning.

I mean ultimately I I think that goes for anything.

I mean ultimately I have to reckon the truth that I feel in what you're saying with the fact that

Nothing and I'm not saying this in some ridiculous, like, Rick and Morty nihilist sense, but n I mean but nothing really matters.

Everything in history really is ours, it has to be ours somehow, it has to be for us, um or else there'd be no way to understand the reason that objectively existent human beings see worth in their participation in it.

But everything

Everything is not for us, because we only exist for a finite amount of time.

What's for us?

is the obligation to keep it moving.

That's it.

That's what's for us.

The duty to give back to everything that was given to us in order to exist

Give back and keep it moving.

Maybe so.

Maybe I've yet to think properly in terms of obligation.

But I've tried before and I feel that if all we have are obligations and we understand that we could load ourselves down with more and more same form of the same obligation, then we end up nowhere.

We end up um m we end up imitating somebody else or miming out some miming some gesture just as worthless as any.

I mean, I don't know what you're talking about, really.

Well, I won't um spend any more of your time then.

Thank you very much for um explaining as you have.

All right, for sure.

See ya.

You know guys, it's like it's not about being a saint and being, you know, uh uh you're just so moral, you're just such a good person.

It's about bourgeois self-interest versus proletarian self-interest.

Bourgeois self interest is measured in terms of the pursuit of money.

Proletarian self interest is measured in terms of seeking to acquire distinction through work, like the Stakhanov movement.

Or through honour, through fighting and battle.

Through through the realization of exceptional ability.

You know, proletarian self-interest is like athletes.

Athletes have more of the proletarian self-interest.

I mean, they go they go and they get these brand deals and they have this IP and bullshit.

But at the end of the day, acquiring distinction and earning your keep in this life based on what you can fucking do.

Is way more proletarian than measuring that in terms of how much you can take.

and how much money you can make.

Go ahead, Slime.

Uh Haj uh what's your opinion on uh Spinoza's God, uh and and and uh Hegel's God?

It's the god of Plato, it's the monad.

Do you agree more with uh Spinoza's ideal or Hegel's?

Of God, I reject both.

Of their uh uh i uh the idol of philosophy, I reject it.

It's an idol.

I believe in the God of the burning bush that says I am what I am.

I believe in the God of Moses and Jesus and the Prophet Muhammad.

That's the God I believe in.

So you're a monotheist?

Yes.

Oh, uh so like you don't mess with monoism or uh pantheism?

Or you think it's like absurd or something?

I reject I reject all theology that's based in philosophy.

Okay, got it.

But uh you don't think there's any nomological contradictions with monotheism?

Any what?

Any contradictions?

Like, uh, there's a lot of critiques.

What's wrong with contradictions?

I don't know what you're talking about.

I mean it makes your position pretty untenable.

Okay, shoot.

What's the issue?

You want me to critique monotheism?

Just in a very simple way talk about a contradiction that you have in mind.

Okay, okay, so the Abrahamic God, uh the w uh the one of the yeah the Abrahamic God is pretty much uh like called all good.

It's like a omnibenevolent.

Okay.

But then but then he gives like an infinite punishment to people that don't believe in him.

So like you have a finite amount of time on this earth for a finite sin you suffer a infinite punishment for not believing.

Like that's a contradiction.

I'm actually asking how can God be God while there's distinctions in the world?

Right?

No, no, I'm asking if he's all good.

Why is he giving an infinite punishment for a finite crime?

Because first of all, it's not even necessarily true that uh belief in the hereafter takes this form that it's an eternal punishment.

It's not true in Judaism.

I don't know if it's true in Christianity.

It's not really true in Islam.

It is true, though.

Like every scholar, and even in Islam, agrees that you're going to go to hell for eternity.

I think the idea of going to hell for eternity is retarded.

That's my opinion.

You just said you believe in monotheism and you reject philosophical beliefs of God targeting.

I don't think there's no idea of eternal hellfire to be a monotheist.

I reject that.

I reject the idea that there's an eternal hell.

Yeah, but when I first asked you, do you agree with more like esoteric conceptions of God?

You disagreed.

You said no.

No, I said I reject the philosophical one.

Esoteric and philosophy are not the same thing.

They're kind of ours.

Bonoza's not.

No, they're not.

Philosophy is based in Plato and Platonic idealism, especially within the Western tradition.

Which I reject.

I reject

The uh you know the god of rationalism.

I reject that.

Okay, but like Spinoza's God was like really like it deals with a lot of contradictions.

Spinoza's God is literally Satan.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is.

What are you talking about?

Spinoza's God is Grok.

That's Spinoza's God.

It's Grok.

Yeah, but your God gives an infinite punishment for a finite crime.

So isn't your God worship?

Well, I don't agree.

So, you disagree with all the scholars, but you say you're a Muslim and you agree with me.

You know what?

This is why I'm against like religious babble.

Like, what a stupid.

I asked you, like, you said, Oh, you're a monotheist.

So, it's like, what about the contradictions in monotheism?

And now you're going into like the nitty-gritty of like these stupid details I don't even give a fuck about.

Okay, I believe in there is one thing that matters and one absolute God of the entire universe and of existence.

That's what I believe.

Okay, is that God all good?

So, you're telling me, What about how in paradise there's like a flower that looks like it smells like I don't like?

What are you talking about?

You're not even talking about what matters.

Okay, is that God all good?

Is your God all good?

Yes or no?

Yeah, okay, then why did you put so?

Okay, you say there's uh no hell, then what do you think happened in the afterlife?

I didn't say no hell, I just said people have to like burn and get punished so they realize how fucked how much they fucked up, and then when they realize that, they're fine.

Okay, so if you're a non-believer who tries his best to believe in God but your rationality prevents you from believing in God, you deserve to burn in hell for your disbelief?

I think if you were to like accept the truth on earth, it would be very painful.

If you were able to, just for even if you don't agree with this truth, for you to adopt what I believe, you would have to go through an extremely psychological, painful process with so much cognitive dissonance, with so much hard pills to swallow, with so much of your worldview shattered, what you understand is true shattered, so much of your existential position to go through pain.

You know, having to know what you live for and to act on the basis, it's extremely painful.

That on earth is extremely painful.

So, the idea of hell, which is that the soul, in order to be purified, has to go through extreme pain and suffering to comprehend real humility before God and to comprehend real gratitude for its existence.

I think that's totally makes sense to me.

Because on earth, that's how it is.

Okay, but you can go through suffering and not come to the conclusion of God.

That's a non-sequitur.

Bro, if you don't want to believe in God, I'm not going to force you to.

That's the great thing.

I'm not here.

It's not a belief.

I don't care if you believe in God or not.

I believe in God.

Uh not because I have to according to some syllogism of logic.

But because

It makes sense to me, okay?

Because

God means something to me.

I feel bad for you that you haven't discovered what that is.

You haven't discovered God, you don't know what God even refers to.

If you think God refers to some kind of conclusion of logic in your head, then you have no connection to what God is.

You just are alienated from it.

And I wish you the best of luck.

I'm not here to force you to comprehend what it means to believe in God.

Like, I could care less.

You can believe whatever you want.

Okay, uh could I ask you another question uh regarding l uh Lysenkoism?

All right.

Uh why why do you believe in it?

'Cause I believe in God.

Okay.

Do do you wanna explain that?

'Cause I don't know.

I don't want to.

Okay then.

Alright, bro.

Anything else?

Oh, like, how do you plan on getting power?

That was my original question with the degrowth one.

How do you plan on getting power?

Uh we're gonna build up our party from the ground up, and then when shit hits the fan and collapses, we're gonna be basically the only ones who have maintained.

organization and an ability to fulfill the obligations pursuant to the you know the the the the the production of a general welfare and you know the service to the common interest we're going to be the only ones who basically do everyone else is going to be a killer clown so people are going to choose between the killer clowns and the communists it's going to be simple anything else I like your analogies uh but like uh so basically like what Mao did like go to the masses go to the peasants and then build up like report and then when like things go to shit you just like yeah okay that that's a decent strategy to be honest that's what I was thinking as well

Yeah.

Okay, and and and you when do you think the collapse is gonna happen?

Um

I would have my eye on 2028, but it could be sooner.

I mean, I don't know.

I honestly don't know.

I don't know if it's necessarily just going to be a collapse, more like the dysfunction is going to reach such an extreme that the government is no longer able to fulfill the basic obligation of ensuring the normal flow of things, which is starting to already be the case.

Yeah.

You know, when you talk about authority, right?

You said that you have to have authority first to like do anything?

I think you're like 100% correct on that.

And like, I think like if there is gonna be a collapse, it's gonna be between the bourgeois, like the Republicans and the Democrats, like the oligarchs that fund both of them, it's gonna be a war between those two.

I don't think it's gonna be like the masses like standing up.

No, it's not.

It's gonna be it's gonna be a contradiction within the elites.

Yeah, like like Musk is like completely like he's like super illiberal, just like Trump.

And I think they're gonna like fight like uh the Democratic like super like liberal elitist like correction, uh politically correct faction.

Yeah, it'll be civ it'll be Civil War.

Yeah.

Alright, man, that's all I had.

Alright, for sure.

Bye-bye.

Alright, who else wants to come up?

We're gonna have one more person.

We're technically supposed to wrap it up.

This c this person's name is Jews vs.

China World War Three.

Go ahead.

Go ahead, Jews versus China, World War Three.

Go ahead.

Hello, can you hear me?

Yeah.

Hello?

Yup.

Oh, uh so it's supposed to be like a kind of debate.

Okay.

Yeah, I'll I'll just say I have like extremely positive views on the National Socialist Germans in China.

Mm okay, because

'Cause they get under the enemy's skin so much?

And you just like just like the Nazis 'cause it's edgy and it's it's it's it pisses off the ADL.

No, it's not edgy 'cause like I read like Hitler's speeches and I agree with like most of it.

What if I told you Hitler's speeches were for literal retards and by just reading them uncritically without like examining what he actually did, it makes you one of them.

Mm, I don't think it's retarded.

Yeah, but it w no, it was for retards.

It was the whole point was to trick retards into following him in his retarded war against the Soviet Union, which was suicidal.

So you're saying like would you say the National Socialists w would you say they were okay before they invaded the throne?

National Socialists, w what y look, these guys didn't even nationalize a single industry.

What are we talking about, socialism?

This is this is just a scam.

It's an Indian scam, okay?

It's just a New Delhi scam.

Hitler was an Indian.

Yeah, he was absolutely a call center scammer.

He was absolutely taught.

Why did you redo that?

He was absolutely a scammer who was just fucking selling a bunch of people on some bullshit.

Meanwhile, he was just fulfilling what the fucking German industrialists and bankers wanted.

It's all that happened.

He was just tricking stupid people.

Really?

Germany didn't look like a shithole like India.

And also, like, because on credit.

They were giving people jobs making machine guns and tanks, and in order to pay off all the credit, they had to go loot Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union to pay back their capitalist masters.

And they failed.

They needed the why.

The entire 1930s, the entire German economy was only growing because of the military.

That's it.

Just like today's America.

Today's America is all military industry that's responsible for growth.

That's the same thing in Germany in the 90s.

Okay, then explain what happened from starting from like 1938, 1937, when Hitler started invading all these countries.

Explain, please.

What do you talk what what do you what do you mean?

No, like explain the events of why you think the Nazis are the bad guys.

Like what happened t what happened in like nineteen thirty seven, nineteen thirty eight, nineteen thirty nine, basically like all the invasions.

Because like I think to you Hitler wanted to expand eastward.

And he did, and then he failed.

So he first he started out with the Rhineland, right?

Which is like the western part of Germany, and then he took Austria, right?

And then he took Czechoslovakia, right?

And then he took Poland.

Am I correct?

Yeah, but if you think about it, invading all those countries violates the Jewish Treaty of Versailles.

It pisses off these Jews in Britain.

That's why I don't have a problem with him invading those countries.

So it's okay to enslave and massacre the Slavs because it pisses off some Jews.

Like, what are you talking about?

It's fucking stupid.

Dude, look, I'm not.

This is the thing.

You took like a red pill one time and you're like, oh, you know, Hitler's the bad guy in movies, but actually, he's the good guy.

Just do more reading and go down the rabbit hole more because you're very surface level and you'll realize.

Hitler was a retard and a scumbag, and that the real red pill is Lenin and the Bolsheviks.

It's too esoteric for people right now because that requires more education.

People aren't ready for it.

Yeah, I read a lot of Hitler's speeches.

And also, do you support the Treaty of Versailles?

You shouldn't just read his speeches.

You should read what he did.

Not just what he said.

Yeah.

Yeah, he violated the Treaty of Versailles.

He basically restored the lost German territories from World War One.

That's why the Jews are so mad at it.

In World War I, the German Empire was colonizing southern Europe and the Slavs.

And that was their colonial project.

Meanwhile, Britain and France were doing it to Africa, the Middle East, and other places in the world.

So Germany was doing it to the Slavs.

So.

Oh, so the Germans are the bad guys in World War One, right?

Is that what you're saying?

They're the bad guys, right?

They're fighting.

I'm not saying that.

I'm saying in World War One uh they these were all colonial empires that were predatory and sought to destroy and oppress other nations.

That's just the truth.

They went against America, Britain, Russia, France in World War One.

That's what Germany went about.

By and large.

They did.

Yes, they did.

By and large, they supported Germany because they wanted to because they hated Russia.

No, they didn't.

You know, JP Morgan's.

Holy shit.

I can't.

Yeah, J.P.

Morgan Jr.'s.

Yeah.

World War One.

A lot of the Jewish community supported Germany because Germany was fighting Russia, and at the time uh Russia was doing pogroms against Jews, so they saw Germany as the good guy.

So you're saying it's the Jews that support Germany versus the Jews that support America, Britain, France?

And then they're just fighting off each other for no reason?

Is that what you're saying?

I'm saying if it's all about Jews for you, why are you why do you think well it's not all about Ju it's not okay, so I don't know yeah, it's not all about Jews for me, but I I still think Jews are they hold the highest level of power.

They're like at the top of the pyramid.

'Cause 'cause if it's not Jews then what what is it?

Is it white people, British people, the British elites that control the West?

No, it's not.

I don't know, maybe maybe it's not a fucking ethnicity.

Why does it have to be an ethnicity?

Yeah, but do you do you see the problems are divided?

You know, maybe it's not a race or an ethnicity.

Yeah, yeah, but Haas, do you see the problem of your world view?

You you think that what what rules us has nothing to do with race.

It's a multi-ethnic coalition of these bad elites.

Like, that's your worldview.

It has nothing to do with race.

Yeah, it it it it it it it is it's not based in race, I'll tell you that.

That doesn't mean it's like the diverse rainbow coalition.

It's pretty slow and pretty and yeah, there's Jews there too, no doubt.

It's pretty Dutch, it's pretty, you know, whatever.

It's pretty, you know, European.

Uh that's the truth.

And then there's many others as well.

Yeah, it's yeah, I mean, yeah, it's so but there's a lot of like though.

Like, it's not like one race, it's more like one class.

It's more like no, I agree with you.

Linearly, it's more like.

Alright.

Anyway, what?

Yeah, no, I agree with you.

Like, it's not just one race, but it's my point still stands that Jews are at the top of the top no matter what.

Like, sure, there's like elite Goyem, but Jews they'll only they'll they'll always be like one notch ahead.

But I think back to the topic, like so what's your solution?

What's your solution, if that's true?

What's your solution?

I don't know, just stop telling like us like stupid guy to like worship Jews.

When stop believing this, like when have I told anyone to worship Jews?

What are you fucking talking about?

Yeah, just give rid of Jewish power, stop sipping about Jews.

I think like that's the that's the solution.

You realize I went to Nasrullah's funeral, right?

Like in person?

Like, do you even?

So, what are you talking about?

Like, talking about, you know, Jewish power, which means Zionism.

I assume that's what you mean.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, it's not just Zionism.

Okay, what is it then?

Because I think Jews were a problem before Zionism.

Am I correct?

I mean, a lot of people are a problem.

Yeah, but I think Jews are like the biggest problem.

Like they're so war hungry on China.

Um

Again, it's I'm I'm just baffled by like

It's just really stupid.

Like, what are you actually saying concretely?

Like, what are you saying?

You're saying the Jews, you're saying the Jews are the problem.

If it wasn't for these Jews, everything would be.

But it's like.

How do we get here in the first place?

Okay, okay.

Think of this hypothetical.

Let's say, let's say there's no, let's say, um.

If if there's no such elite Jews controlling America, would you still believe that there will be war in the Middle East?

War on terror, $20 trillion spent just to destroy Middle Eastern countries?

Would you say that would still happen?

No Jews controlled America.

When Jewish power was much less pronounced in this country, at least compared today with the ADL and the Zionist lobby and whatever.

And before the Ellis Island migrations led to a new, you know, new class of wealthy people, you know, we had mainly like Anglo monopolists and industrialists, the Morgans, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies and stuff.

And yeah, absolutely.

We were committing atrocities and going to war in South America.

And we went and we got into World War I.

But even before then, you know, we were in the Philippines.

Um so yeah, we were we were involved in imperialist wars of plunder before, you know, Jewish power, so to speak.

became that prominent here.

Um and the root you know, I don't I just don't think you're going to the root cause.

The root cause of Israel existing in the first place is a consequence of

This specific global class

Which absolutely includes the Anglo-Atlantic elite, primarily the Anglo-Atlantic elite, allied with the Zionist movement and with Herzl to create a Jewish solution to the Jewish question, right?

Because as much as you say you hate Jews and they're a problem and whatever, the biggest conflict was within Europe.

Everyone said there's this Jewish question.

Jews are not like us, they don't have our religion, they're like foreigners, and they had to find a solution because of the problem of assimilation, because a lot of Jews were poor and they were workers and they were pretty radical sometimes.

And the Zionists were pushing for this idea that Jews should be a different nation and they should leave all these European countries and they should go to form their own nation in their own country.

And the British signed off on this plan and agreed with it.

Yeah, I agree.

That's why the British they love Yeah, the British they love Jews the most.

They fucking love Jews.

I agree with you on that.

I think the the problem is and this is where I'm gonna have an issue is that

You know

The reason why there were Jews in Europe in the first place was because they were the only minority that was accepted.

Muslims were not in Europe.

Wh how come how come there's no there were no Muslims in Europe?

Yeah, it's the white man's fault for allowing the Jews to gain over to take power.

It's the white man's fault.

Um

But there were Jews in the Middle East and in Islamic countries, and there wasn't didn't seem to be a problem.

Yeah, I'm not saying every single Jew on the planet is bad, but I would say majority of them are.

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here.

Like, your whole, you're coming in here being like, I really don't like Jews.

It's like, what do you want from me?

What do you want me to do about it?

I'm a person who lives in a different world than you.

It's like coming on and telling me you don't like Indians.

What do you want from me?

What can I do for you?

I mean, I think the whole point of this discussion is: all you've talked about is that you don't like Jews.

Like, what do you want me to do about it?

I mean, what else is there to talk about?

We're like debating, right?

And I know that.

What else is there to talk about besides dislike?

Besides dislike of the Jews, what else is there to talk about?

A lot of things.

Yeah, you hate Zionism.

You hate Hitler.

You think Hitler is on the same path as the British elites and Zionism.

Which I disagree with.

I don't have to hate Hitler because he killed himself.

He's gone.

Okay, you view Hitler as evil, one of the most evil men alive.

I think he was evil, but I don't care about Hitler because he's gone.

And I just think it's really retarded how people are making Hitler the Messiah of today's age when he's killed himself and he's dead.

That's all I'm saying.

I'm not impressed with Hitler.

I'm just not impressed with Hitler.

Well, there's a reason why Hitler's like the most famous he's one of the most famous person to exist in the world because his words so tough.

He warned the world about Jewish power and everybody's talking about it right now?

Okay, so Hitler warned the world about Jewish power.

Yes.

And in 2025.

Everybody's talking about it right now.

Yeah, because Israel's atrocities and genocide in Gaza, people are saying, oh, this means Hitler was right to hate them.

And it's like, it's kind of a very parochial ethnic feud type of logic where it's just like stupid Balkan countries fighting.

Now, I get Israel is Israel is the Nazi Germany of our day.

I totally think it is.

I think Israel is Satan on earth.

Well, Israel is absolutely existentially evil, but our, you know.

You know, um, rewriting history.

It's just kind of it reminds me, like, let's say Romania.

was

Like

Being extremely evil, you know?

And then everyone was just like, you know what?

This proves that when the Ottomans massacred them, it was a good thing.

And it's like, well.

It's not really like a well-rounded perspective on history.

It's just kind of like a stupid petty thing to say if if you're taking it seriously, you know.

Um yeah.

I mean like the whole the whole point of our conversation is to try to s solve this problem about what's happening in America.

And the main problem in America is that like rather you're a Democrat or Republican than

Look, if you're trying to get an argument from me that the Zionist lobby controls politics and in like a crazy unprecedented way, I agree it does.

Do Democrats and Republicans serve Israel?

Yes, they do.

But they also have their own reasons for that, like the evangelical belief that, you know, which they actually do believe, that this is God's chosen people and they gotta kill all the Muslims and then Jesus is gonna come and kill all of them in Jerusalem.

That's what they believe.

They literally believe that.

So it's real.

It's real.

But what what's your point?

Yeah, it just goes back into the World War II question.

That's why everybody's like researching about World War II.

World War II is over.

What are you talking about?

The World War II question.

It's over.

Yeah, it's over, but it's still connected to what's happening today.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what you keep mentioning about how great Stalin is and what you're fucking talking about.

Hitler did to Eastern Europeans and Soviet peoples what Israel is doing to Gaza now.

What's the difference?

Why are a bunch of Russians to blame for what Israel is doing right now to Gaza?

So it's okay the Nazis went and enslaved and committed all these atrocities on the quote-unquote subhuman Slavs because of Israel's crimes today?

It's kind of fucking stupid.

Like you go to Russia today and you have people whose family were killed by Nazis and brutalized by the Ukrainians.

No, and it's like, what is and you're saying we need to we need to actually make Hitler the good guy now.

Let me explain in like in like a minute in a minute or two.

I'm on my I'm not on my computer.

I'm like in my car right now.

But let me explain to you like a little bit of history.

So basically the reason why I need a history like you have a very 30 seconds.

All right.

The main reason why Hitler and the Germans wanted to invade the Soviet Union, which like I think started like June 1941, but the main reason why they wanted to invade Russia was because Hitler he had a meeting with Molotov.

I forgot his first name.

Yeah, Molotov.

He had a meeting with Molotov in like November 1940.

So that's like seven months before the invasion of the Soviet Union.

And Molotov said that the Russians they're interested in taking over Romania.

If they take over Romania, then Germany can only rely on the oil supplier of Russia.

That's not what they said.

They said that they would not tolerate Germany taking Romania.

They didn't say they were going to take Romania.

No, Germany didn't take Romania at all.

Would they want Romania at all?

The Soviets said in terms of these sphere of influence shit, which was literally just defensive on the Soviets' part, they didn't want the Germans going into Romania.

Which was a smart thing to say because they knew that the Germans were planning a move against them.

Well the whole point why the Germans are so fixated on Romania's because they use the Romanian oil to fight the British.

But you're you're the type of person that says that Hitler is wants to team up with the British.

I have a million dollar question for you.

Why didn't Hitler launch an invasion of the British Isles?

Ground invasion?

Why didn't he do it?

Oh, okay, I'll tell you.

Because Britain is an island.

Wow.

Oh, you want to invade Britain?

Oh my god, you gotta use the boats!

Oh, Britain has the world's best submarines.

It is inefficient to go to Britain with ground troops or tanks because it is an island.

Not only that, Britain bombed Britain.

They had the option to launch a ground.

Why did Hitler write in letters to Stalin explaining his reluctance to launch a ground invasion, not in terms of British submarines, but in terms of supposed reluctance among his own officers and military hierarchy, who he claimed, in his own words, shared noble blood lineages with the British aristocracy?

He was literally just lying.

What did you what did you say again?

I'm I was kind of busy.

What did you say?

Why was Hitler with like the Nobel Bowl line?

You were busy?

What were you fucking doing?

Busy doing what?

'Cause I 'cause I'm in my car, I'm driving.

What did you say again?

I'm in my car driving.

I'm trying to find like a parking so I can talk to you.

Yeah, listen, man.

I don't know what to tell you.

You can definitely like keep up this worldview forever because a lot of people are not going to like how you're promoting you like Hitler and you're whatever.

You're pro-Nazi.

And it's, you know, I know the backlash is going to just fuel you to believe in it more and more.

But I'm just telling you, it's going to get you nowhere.

Like if nothing will be out of it.

I'm just telling you.

No, I agree with you.

No, I agree with you.

It will get me nowhere, but the ideology will grow.

No, it's the ideology is meaningless.

It's not gonna produce anything.

It's not gonna do anything.

It's just gonna sit in a corner and talk about, you know

Um

It's a v it's wrong, but you're you know, the reason it you're fueled by it is because you think you took a red pill that's shattering, you know, the mainstream worldview and you just haven't dug deep enough.

And if you dug deep enough, you'd realize who Hitler was financed by and propped up by and what the oh, he was financed by Britain.

Is that what you're saying?

Financed by America Britsen.

Is that what you're saying?

Royal Dutch Shell.

I believe he had his funeral in Nazi Germany.

Okay, okay, okay.

And tell me this.

Did America and Britain wanted the Germans to win World War II before they interfered?

No, they didn't.

The whole point was for the Germans to steal the gold from Czechoslovakia, loot all the gold and resources from the Austria-Hungarian Empire, plus destroy the government.

Oh, it has nothing to do with the former Austro-Hungarian Empire, which they couldn't do in World War I because they never had a ground occupation that landed.

Oh, s so you're saying Czechoslovakia is a made-up 20-year-old country?

Because it used to be Austria-Hungary, right?

And if he invaded those territories, he's basically like restoring the German Empire.

So what's wrong with that?

The German Empire denied the national right of self-determinations to various Slavic nations while promoting German nationalism.

That's the problem.

Yeah, but Austria-Hungary, there were alliances with Germany, right?

With the German Empire.

Austria-Hungary was not the German Empire.

Austria-Hungary was uh Yeah, I know it's not the German Empire, but there were alliances though.

There are like alliances.

Bro, what are you taught what is your point?

Like, where is this getting?

Yeah, your point.

Your point is when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, oh, it's evil imperialism, they're no different from the Brits, oh, they're so evil.

Like, dude, this country isn't fucking made up.

It's twenty years old, it's made up.

Like, everything's like subjective.

Okay, so is Germany made up?

Yeah, the ones that dominate and conquer they're the ones that um So German.

Okay, well Stalin conquered Stalin conquered Germany, so Stalin gets to decide.

So now what?

Yeah, and now Germany is a cucked vassal state of Jewish power.

Like what Ursula von Lehr, that fucking blonde bitch said.

So bow to your Jewish masters because they won.

What are you complaining about?

You said whoever.

Well, I'm not white.

You said whoever's strong enough.

You said whoever's strong enough gets to determine everything.

Okay, so apparently the Jews won.

So go bow to your Jewish masters.

Why are you yelling at me?

No, we just gotta fight back.

Like, fuck these kikes, man.

It's so s how how you're gonna fight back by going on a fucking Twitter space and

you know, going on X and fucking talking about it and look man

you're gonna you're gonna real feel real stupid one day when you go into a bagel shop run by jews okay never mind never mind not not by back like i don't i don't mind one day you're gonna go you want to go down into collab one day you're gonna meet like normal jews in your life and it's gonna you're gonna be like borat where you're just like so tweaked out by them because like you got your mind your brain was rotted so much by this like retarded trend on x you're gonna actually meet like normal jews one day and it's gonna like you're gonna start tweaking you're gonna be like do you know anything about the frankests and and like they're gonna be so disturbed by you and like that's no i'll treat them i'll treat them as normal but i know deep down like they would support zionism but i'll treat them like a normal person like that's how it is

Yeah, I mean, but you're you're mixing up two different things.

It's like first you said it's not all about Zionism.

Now you're saying, Oh, it's just 'cause of Zionism.

It's like what's wrong with a normal Jewish person who is anti-Zionist?

What's your issue with them?

Because I think they were they're most likely like anti-China.

If the anti-Zionist Jew had to decide to go against America and China, they would side with America.

What if they're pro-China and anti-Zionist and Jewish?

What's your issue with them?

I'll tell them what do you think about World War II?

What a stupid fucking thing, man.

You're like, you got a whole checklist.

You got a whole checklist to make it impossible for.

It's just kinda stupid, man.

I'm sorry.

I how do I s how I say this?

I think here's another thing I wanna express, 'cause I I think you're probably gonna disagree with me on this.

But I feel like this whole uh like argument of oh, communism's bad, communism's good, Nazis are bad, Nazis are good, it becomes pointless because like I'm starting to see this traction of like

Like, rather you're communist or a national socialist, bro.

It doesn't matter.

You have a team.

You're longing.

There's no, it's, you need, okay, I'm trying to explain it to you.

All right.

What you're saying is national so it was literally a scam from the top down by these industrialists and bankers to trick stupid people.

And after they lost and failed, it's like there's dumb people today who are like, oh, actually, this is interesting.

It's like, put it this way: like, you know what it reminds me of?

It reminds me of like.

Let's say there was like a robot that was meant to like feed cattle or something, right?

And it like psychologically, and then like it got abandoned and it's rusted, and it's like hundreds of years later, the cattle are still congregating in front of it.

Like, oh my god, this is, bro, it's, it's, it literally.

Wasn't even meant for you.

It was meant for like to trick stupid people in the 30s, and it's gone.

And people are picking it up now just because it's an over correction because uh you know in America, in Hollywood and in high school and in or not high school, in in the primary education system and in liberal, quote unquote liberal democracies, they do, you know, um pretend that you know in their in their own minds that they consider like Hitler the absolute incarnation of metaphysical evil.

And people like

He is like the ultimate thematic villain of liberalism.

So like when liberalism is breaking down and collapsing.

People are like, oh, the villain's the good guy.

And what you're doing is like you're playing a video game.

And you're starting to get tired of the game and you realize it's bullshit.

So you're like, I actually like the villain in this game.

But what you don't realize is you're still playing the game.

When you're a communist, you're a Marxist, you're not identifying with the villain.

You're identifying with the glitch in the game itself that can't even be described because it's a literal glitch that breaks the game.

The game is broken.

You don't have to identify with the history channels, you know, was Hitler an alien?

And then you're like, Yeah, beast!

Hitler was this Agarthan alien.

It's like, bro, you don't have to.

You don't have to keep playing this stupid game.

The game of liberalism is dead.

You don't have to identify with the villain.

You can you can actually s do what Marxism does and say there's a glitch in this game.

It doesn't even work.

'Cause that's what we say.

I'll tell you this.

I don't identify with like ists or isms.

My political views are formed by getting under the enemy's skin.

Like if I see my fucking money, I could see that very clearly.

I could see very clearly.

Yeah, that's the whole point.

That your whole point is if you just want to troll and piss people off.

It's not trolling.

It's not trolling.

It's absolutely trolling.

If you didn't find it, if you didn't find this shit funny, you wouldn't do it.

If you did not find it funny, you would not do it.

Yes or no?

It's not funny to me.

It's more shocking.

It's more shocking.

It's absolutely something that you find hilarious and you do it because it triggers people.

That's the only reason.

There's no actual serious dimension of sincere belief here.

No, it is sincere.

Like I've told you I've read like it's fucking ridiculous.

It's absolutely not sincere.

It's fucking ridiculous, all right?

At most, the reason I look stupid, I guess, is 'cause I take shit seriously.

I'm a serious guy, and I guess everything's supposed to be a joke.

But I do have a sense of look, when the going gets tough, the communists, m my people, are gonna be the actual ones that step up to the to the plate.

And all this other nonsense, it's not gonna it's it's nothing but a fucking joke.

It's a troll.

That's all it is.

You know, we're actually.

I went to Nasrala's funeral.

We're actually serious about our anti-Zionism.

It's not a joke to us.

It's not just.

And yeah, we have to have a boring, serious position.

But at the end of the day, you can keep triggering people and whatever, and trolling and all this shit.

And, you know, in getting under their skin.

But, like, you got some people are more interested in results.

Yeah, I mean, to me I feel like I feel like ideology pretends to matter because I'll give you an example.

Like look at China, right?

When China's doing good, right?

I think you already you already said this like 15 times, 20 times.

China's doing good.

Oh, they're a capitalist country.

Yeah, but they still hate China.

So it doesn't matter if China's capitalist or communist or socialist.

China will be hated no matter what because they're not cucks to Jews or Anglo-Saxons.

They're just not cucks to them, bro.

So like isms don't really matter to me.

It's it's it's more so having a political view that's actually gets under the under Mike Pompeo's skin, you know, Jewish power skin, Alex Karp's skin, you know, CEO of Palantir.

It's it's about getting under their skin.

Like if you told Alex Karp, hey Alex Karp, China's good and the Holocaust is fake, you're an evil Jew, how would Alex Karp feel?

He would want you he would want to kill you.

You know, bro, you know, l listen, man, you know, you i if your whole world view is getting under people's skin, where's your solutions?

You don't have solutions.

You're basically just a normal guy, but

If the majority of the American population agrees that, hey, these Jews are like evil and Israel should fuck off, then I think I think uh America would be even more fixed.

'Cause we wouldn't be spending money on

Oh, there's a lot to talk about too.

I I can talk about Ukraine too, because I mean, the the sad thing is, man, is that

You know, there's a lot of Jews in this country that have been here for a while.

And, you know, if you know how much the Zionists spend to brainwash them, it's pretty crazy.

So why do Zionists have to spend so many, so much money brainwashing Jewish people into supporting them if this is all just Jewish self-interest?

The end of the day, you look, you're going to start out this way because you see Jewish people as Alex Karp.

You see them as the powerful ones.

And yeah, there's a lot of Jews among the powerful.

I'm not denying that.

But at the end of the day, majority of Jews are not in power, right?

And yeah, but the political views favor Zionism.

I would say majority.

Yeah, majority are Zionists, that's true.

But at the same time, majority are also brainwashed.

Majority of Americans are Zionists.

Okay, majority of evangelicals are Zionists.

But anyway, let me continue.

Let me continue.

Okay.

At the end of the day,

This is how it starts.

First, it's gonna be Jews, because you're making about race.

First, it's gonna be Jews, right?

Then there's gonna be more racial shit.

It's gonna keep going.

And then, you know, soon enough, you know, what do you have?

You have a population that's not united.

You have a country.

You have a working class that's not united.

And what happens when the people are divided by race?

Yeah, chaos.

And whites complain about getting replaced.

What happens when the people are not united is that the people in power

Get to do whatever the fuck they want, 'cause how do you challenge them if you ha if you're not unifying the people against them?

That's why there's memes of like oi they or oh, you stupid goyum, you Christians and Muslims must kill each other That's why there's those memes.

I understand what you're saying.

No, it's more than it's more than that because uh

Yeah.

In uh in reality, you know, majority of Jews in America are just normal people.

It's just the truth.

Majority.

Majority are just normal people.

Yeah, I know they're normal people.

Like, I know if I'm oh if I if I walk on a sidewalk and I see a Jew, I'd be like, Oh, this guy probably supports Zionism, but I'm not gonna treat him like shit or look down on him.

I'm like, oh, this guy probably likes.

Americans support Zionism and twenty-five percent of the Jewish youth in America are anti-Zionist.

Yeah, but if they go to like a war with America versus China, they would choose America.

So like what's the point?

A lot of people would.

A lot of people would.

Yeah, it is what it is.

Like, we're just brainwashed.

This this has gone on very long, but I recommend read some books, man.

Get get out of this brain rot shit you're in.

It's not gonna get you anywhere.

I mean, if you wanna keep trolling, what can I say?

I'm gonna bring on one more person, Trencher, but we gotta make it quick.

Go ahead, Trencher.

Go ahead, trencher.

Shit.

Yo, am I actually on?

Yeah.

Oh shit, what's up?

Um, so originally, I actually yo, I didn't even think I'd get picked.

Yo, okay, okay.

Well, first of all, thank you for uh letting me on.

I'm uh, I was introduced to you by my friend Devin, he's a big fan of you, so shout out to him.

I originally had some notes here to uh, yo, real quick, one question, only one question.

Okay, okay, okay.

So, basically, I guess the crux of my question is going to be something that you've heard a lot, but like, why I find Marxism to have a lot of good critiques of.

capitalist society, imperialism, just human nature in general and like the interactions between materialists, whatevers.

But the thing is, whenever it's been implemented in practice, it's like never worked.

And it just seems like for all the critiquing and really good critiquing Marxists do, they can't actually seem to build a workable system without changing it into something that's not communist at all.

So I was just wondering like how can you square that away with how can you square the historical failures of communism with all the theoretical goodness of it?

I don't know, buddy.

You're the expert on communism apparently.

You know what the definition is more than the actual, you know, party with a hundred million people in it.

You're the expert.

You're you know what the true communism is and you're the authority on how the word is defined.

Not the party with not the party with not the party with a hundred million people in it.

Well yeah, that's what I'm saying though, is like it's complete, are you referencing China with that?

Like I don't know why you're being so sarcastic out the gate.

Like I I'm just coming here in good faith asking a perfectly normal question.

Ah, it's kind of a fucking stupid question, not gonna lie.

It's pretty fucking stupid.

Then, why can't you answer in good faith?

I mean, like, okay, so 100 million people, it's communist, the same way North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic, and it is that they practice cyber fund capitalism, like just state-directed capitalism, to like on a level that would make the U.S.

blush.

Like, what's the deep, meaningful, like, I think you think, you know, look, we're not using words with the same meaning.

For you, communism is like some hippie bullshit.

And for me, communism is what Marx describes.

You know, so it's like, what can we say?

Well, communism is the abolition of private property and fucking collectivization of everything, right?

Isn't that what it is?

Who said that?

Marx Lennon Where?

I I don't have the shit in front of me, but they co okay.

Are you saying they didn't collectivize everything?

You're saying they were totally saying that they absolutely did not cool with private property.

Okay, I guess if Marxism's okay with private property, we have we have no argument.

Do you know what private property is?

Um yeah, it's like given it's um the state social contract uh allotting you the right to own property.

But if it's the state who grants you the right, doesn't that mean it's not private?

Well, because without that, you're just in a Hobbesian state of nature where all you have is all you can defend.

So, like, you can't really.

You can't really like, I mean, yeah, then then it's just anarchy.

Then it's just there's no structure.

So, unless the state owns everything, it's all anarchy.

Not unless the state owns everything, as as long as the state has jurisdiction.

Communism is the state owning everything.

I mean, they say capitalism.

You said capitalism.

The state owns everything, but it just is for tomorrow.

You said that capitalism is when the state owns everything, and that it just gives people the right to use stuff for.

That's statism.

Statism is when the state has jurisdiction.

Can you do the cow thing?

Because that's really ⁇ you sound like a high schooler who's doing ⁇ You have two cows and statism is when there's five cows and fascism is when you fuck the cows and communism is when you have the two cows and the capitalism is where you sell the cows.

When did I say anything about fucking cows?

Well, the cows and the cows are terrible to the Jews than to me.

Statism is a perfectly normal question and you're like...

Statism is when the cows are being fucked.

What are you talking about, bro?

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about cows getting fucked.

I asked you like the most normal communism debate question ever, and you're asking me to do that.

Bro, you asked me some fucking high school question.

I thought you were the intellectual head.

High school social sciences uno question.

You should be able to answer it, bruh.

You should be able to answer it with ease, and you should be able to do it calm without getting triggered.

I ask you so calmly and so politely.

No, your questions are loaded with like so many assumptions.

Okay, well I'm ju the the only thing I was asking was

You're like, are you so that?

So you're okay.

It's like, I'll answer something calmly.

Are you saying that you're saying that communism doesn't mean...

So do communists not force everyone to eat shit?

No.

So you're okay.

So communism is okay with the slavery?

Like, what are you talking about?

It's like, there's no connection.

Okay, when Lenin, Lenin literally had to roll back his own fucking communist policies with the new economic policy because it was fucking up so much.

Like, there's plenty of evidence for actual collectivizing policies fucking up.

Like, that's like the entire historical record.

War communist.

I have to.

War communism was a war policy of just taking grain directly from peasants, just taking it.

Requisition.

But war communism didn't institutionalize cooperative forms of agriculture.

It just kind of requisitioned grain and centralized it and distributed it on that basis.

So it didn't really reorganize things.

It was a very immediate crude thing and it I don't it was not the ideal for the construction of socialism.

It was very much like a utilitarian policy they had for the immediate war kind.

It wasn't ideologically based.

Wartime conditions, that was the only way they could feed the army in the cities.

Um that's fair, but then would you classify depulagation underneath that as well, which happened after later?

Yeah, that happened in twenty eight.

Yeah, but that was long after the Civil War.

That was after the Civil War.

And that was the deliberate policy of collectivization.

Right.

So that that I mean, okay.

So to your point with the collectivization policy thing, but what I'm saying is there's a clear pattern.

The collectivization of everything up, everyone starves, and then they roll it back.

Okay, but that's just not what happened.

That's just not what happened.

So, what happened with Dekulakization and the Holodomor?

I'm sure you'll mock that too.

Yeah, I am going to mock it because it's fucking stupid.

Yeah, so you're just the Nazi painted red, bruv.

That's what you are.

So cancel me, bitch.

Cancel me.

Call me a name.

I don't give a fuck.

Holodomor is the most made up shit of all time.

I don't care what you believe.

I just don't like the faux moral superiority.

Like the false morality.

When have I ever feigned moral superiority about anything?

All the time?

No.

Let's not get into ad hominem.

This is turning into like a destiny debate.

Listen, the holodomor is completely fake.

Totally fake.

It was made up by Ukrainian Nazis in the 80s, the term I think was coined, and the whole purpose was to grift off of the new kind of Holocaust discourse that was emerging around the 80s as well.

So they said, oh, you Jews have Holocaust.

We Ukrainians had Holodomor.

So they literally were grifting.

And made it that name because it sounds like Holocaust.

And it's totally holo to more, it's totally fake.

I mean, there was a famine in thirty two thirty three.

There were famines for centuries and centuries in Russia, no one gave a fuck.

This famine corresponded to a really nasty drought, and uh i i as well as the fact that um it was such a sudden

Modernization of agriculture that they had to accomplish and a sudden reorganization.

Of course, it was going to lead to some kind of systemic mistakes and errors in the short term that had a very tragic human toll.

I don't deny that.

But they were pressed for time.

Ideally, collectivization should have taken uh twenty, thirty years, ideally, but they didn't have that time.

They had ten years.

Why did they only have 10 years?

Because 10 years later, Nazi Germany invades.

So Stalin had some sort of like psychic foresight to know that he only had 10 years.

He knew they were president.

He absolutely knew.

Well, he said 10 years in 31.

He said that in his speech.

He said, We have 10 years.

If we don't catch up, they're going to bury us.

So that's what he said.

I don't know if he was a oracle.

What was he basing that on?

Because he didn't know Hitler was going to investigate.

He was basing it on the fact that in the Civil War, the entire capitalist world invaded.

And.

He expected that

Because of intelligence reports and many other things, that they were planning on coming back.

And they were.

They absolutely were.

If you look at the history, the Morgans and Rock, they were putting pulling out maps of the Soviet Union and they were already trying to carve up spheres of interest to say this is what we're gonna take, we're gonna take this, we're gonna take that.

And they were okay, but everyone does that all the time.

That's not they were strategizing plans for the destruction of the Soviet government and um

I mean, of course they were.

They were like preaching world revolution and like over okay, okay, but anyway, in any case they would have a vested interest.

In any case, they were pressed for time.

They had to industrialize and have an output of steel production and create tanks and weapons and factories, and they were pressed for time.

So that's the truth.

I mean, the truth is that the whole capitalist world did not invade the Soviet Union.

They funded the whites, which, I mean, it's true.

They did.

No, they did invade.

They absolutely weren't like seven-nation army style, like a fucking boss.

And with that, I think you just need to do more research before you talk to me because it's 2 a.m.

Uh I said you have one quick question.

You're now telling me that they didn't invade, even though they did.

You just don't know history.

I don't want to embarrass you and just show you that there was an invasion of the new Revolutionary Republic.

Uh it wasn't just funding the whites, they did do a ground invasion.

Even America did.

I was the Japanese, the French, the British.

Later even the Germans started getting involved, the um the Czechs got involved, Czech legions.

Yeah, they were they were all in there.

Uh read history.

Anyway, uh what can we say?

Okay guys.

This kind of guy was a nerd.

I don't like n I have no patience.

It's just like.

I don't like policy

I can tell there's a student who is a big into policy.

I don't like it.

I don't like this vibe.

Uh also.

Talking very fast and stuff.

I'm patient old man, I don't like this talking very fast shit.

I'm a patient old man.

Why are you in a rush?

Why are you in a rush?

you will realize life is very long compared to what you think.

And then you will get tired and you will start to speak slowly like me.

Great wisdom.

Great wisdom, by the way.

Okay guys, I have to go.

I will go now.

Bye-bye.

Great.

Uh space.

Let's let's end the space, okay?

Uh, what a wonderful space, guys.

What a wonderful.

I'm not doing these every week, by the way.

I'm doing these when I feel like it.

And I felt like it tonight.

Anyway, guys.

Uh I'll see you Sunday.

Bye bye.

See you all Sunday.

Bye bye.