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who sit and allow the intro to go for 30 minutes because y'all are kicking it back y'all kick it back

i'm gonna wait till the intro's over.

I'm gonna wait till the intro.

Y'all keep waiting.

Stream's gonna be two hours.

So y'all choose.

Y'all choose the content.

You can have two hours one with intro everybody has to wake up immediately

what we need we need new devices the kick notification for the stream needs to be attached to a taser that literally shocks you when I go live.

You get shocked.

You get shocked.

Anyway, this is technology, Azerbaijan technology.

We're not talking about it

because it's top secret stuff, all right?

We're not talking about it.

It's pretty top secret.

This is what the infrolink,

it's a new type of neural link

we're working on infarlink.

Anyway, y'all, let me tell you something.

I got some plans.

All right, I'm going to be boosting up infrared big time.

And what I'm going to be doing is I'm going to find a way to streamline this because I got to absolutely streamline it.

But what's going to end up happening is I'm going to do a fuck ton of clips. I have these long form tweets that I'm always doing and I take hours just typing them sometimes. And I put a lot of thought into them or whatever the algorithm's not rewarding them straight up so I somebody gave me an IG a great idea I'm going to follow up with it I'm going to

start recording clips and that way you know I need it I need to know how to streamline it to get the transitions and get the backgrounds and get it with the attention economy type of shit.

But I'm going to start making clips of instead of typing it out out it's going to be my script

and I'm going to actually be in front of a camera

yelling and

I'm going to make it like that

I'll make them TikToks

I'm make them for it whatever

maybe Instagram

although I like keeping my Instagram

chill on the chill side but

at the end of the day you know it is what it is

because if I'm spending this many much time

on X I should be turning

that into video right

and if I can get in the groove of just recording

videos and shit that would be sick

I'd be on my TikTok grind i don't want to keep

making promises i'm not going to follow through but i'm going to give it a try i'll just tell you

all that i'm going to give it a try and but listen if any of y'all have experience with that but i

need them like rapid like rapid rapid rapid rapid rapid type of shit like pumping them out like every

day you know i don't know how people do that necessarily i'm going to have to like study and

research it a little bit figure it out because I definitely don't have experience on that front, you know, but I'm going to figure it out, basically.

All right.

So, damn.

We might not be able to do the confront the chairman shit.

I'm not going to lie.

Okay, I can't host it.

That's the problem.

I can't host it.

Somebody else is going to have to host this space,

and I can join as a guest on desktop.

But unfortunately,

BlueStacks

is super fucked.

I have to log

into X again.

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what the

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what the hell

what the hell he

it's just sign me out

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By the way, did you guys like my TikTok streams?

Because I did streams on TikTok.

The problem is I don't know how to monetize those.

But TikTok is pretty fun.

Give me a second, y'all, give me a damn second, you will give me a second but let yeah look um at the end of the day you know what I'm talking about is some real-ass shit.

You know, because that's the attention span.

It's like, it's not that the content is impossible.

It's absolutely possible.

It's just the attention spans are all messed up so people don't

really know how to read but they can definitely watch a clip and be chill with it you know

anyway that's just my interpretation that's just my interpretation.

That's just my interpretation, but, uh... Damn!

What the hell is going on, man?

Uh, I'm definitely in a pickle right now with this blue stacks bullshit.

Try to...

See if that works.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Let me try this one.

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Blue Stacks

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Give me a second.

Uh, okay. All right. I think I have the solution.

Give me a second.

I'm going to fix this, okay?

I'm going to fix this.

What a fucking terrible nightmare.

Holy shit.

This is like the worst fucking day.

Great. Holy shit. This is like the worst fucking day. Right.

Now, watch this.

Ah, I know what to do.

I know what to do. I know what to do to fix it.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

So things are shaping up on the optimistic side for now.

I could jinx it,

but there could be a chance that this works.

And we don't have to use the shitty browser version.

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It worked. All right. Okay. All right. All right guys, we're good. Bolden. All right, guys. We're good.

Golden.

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We're good.

Let me continue.

So I'm going to...

All right.

Y'all going to have to boost the space big time okay hey boost the damn space okay um you know what I keep putting debate, Q&A discussion?

I'm getting fucking rid of discussion.

What an idiot I was for putting discussion.

I don't want to fucking have discussions with people.

Sorry.

Not tonight.

I don't.

I want to have a Q&A and a debate.

I always put discussion and I get mad when people yap.

But that's just because there's discussion

in the fucking

it was literally in the name.

So look, guys, the space is

chill.

I'm going to get the link

to copy it.

Everybody's got to boost

the shit out of the space. Okay? Got to boost the shit out of the space okay got to boost the space space

will not have a chance if it's not boosted straight up, okay?

Hold on.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're good.

We're good.

Here it is.

This is what you got.

Now, forget that link I gave you.

Boost this.

Boost this shit out of this.

You gotta boost it to like 200 minimum.

So boost the shit out of it. Don't sleep on it.

Literally everyone in here has to fucking boost.

And I'll delete it. I'm deleting the post after the space is done.'ll be saved on the stream only so boost

y'all can do it boost the shit out of this um we got to get this on the algo or else nobody's gonna

fucking show up

all right people have to be able to see it

duh

it's not rocket science

anyway

um

I need

I need co-hosts

I need somebody to co-host who can co-hosts. I need somebody to co-host. Who can co-host? Who can co-host? Um, I'll give Sewell and Kayla will get co-host if you can.

Okay.

Everybody, make sure boost this post.

Everybody can see it, okay?

Now, let me talk about what I wanted to talk about, and I'll get the ball rolling, I guess, you know, because usually I'm not supposed to have to have content lined up for the confront the chairman.

People are supposed to just do that, but a lot of people don't do that because they're

bitch-made, you know? That's okay. It's okay. Anyway, you know, um, I made a post today. I, I, I, I, I invented this

thing where

Jolani is a Lububu.

That's going to be on this post, by the way.

He's a Labubu, and I'm going to define what a Labubu is,

because I did that the other night.

A Labubu is a fake demon.

And a Labouou has the beard with no mustache

and that's what Jolani and that whole thing is

Jolani is a Labubu

and Peseschian is a Labubu

okay? These are Labubus

and they got

you know they show the teeth

and they talk a big game

but it's just some

loboo ass shit

that's just the truth

a lot of big talk

jollani

and all the internet

fanatics or whatever

the salafis

whatever you call them,

I can't believe it that it all culminates

in Jolani. It's a

pathetic disgrace.

And it has led me to actually,

I'm thinking about,

I'm looking into olivism. You know, I'm kind of leaving, I'm thinking about, I'm looking into olivism.

You know, I'm kind of leaving,

I'm done with this mainstream bullshit.

I'm done with this mainstream bullshit.

I'm done with all of it.

I'm Kizel Bosch.

That's what I'm, Kizel Bosch.

You know, I'm an esoteric, mystical, Islamic sorcerer.

I'm not all about this larping nonsense where you are grandstanding,

pretending to be this mighty religious whatever and then it's

jollani jollani has ruined it okay jollani's a disgrace this guy's name is criminal on gaming let's

let's add this guy

criminal

go ahead

and this And this...

Yo, unmute yourself.

Why do I have to tell these idiots how to fucking use X?

Go ahead and unmute yourself.

All right.

You know what?

Get the fuck out of here.

Get this fucking guy.

Oh.

Yo.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

What are your thoughts on Yaakov's Svardlov?

Svredlov is okay.

I'm sorry I couldn't hear you.

Svardlov?

Yeah, you caught out what you said?

He's okay. No issue with him.

Okay.

That's your only question?

I don't know. It's always say hi.

You wanted to say hi? What is? What do you think we're friends get the fuck out of here

you know some people they just they just want to talk for no reason i mean what do you think of

sverdlov what a great beautiful question. What a beautiful question. Dawnlander.

Go ahead, Dawnlander. What's going on?

And they disconnected.

They disconnected because what? Because I mean, welcome to the real world.

Slime, go ahead. to the real world.

Slime, go ahead.

Haas, I have a question regarding your position

on degrowth.

Okay.

Yeah, I heard you saying that you're not a fan of degrowth.

This is like, I think it was like an old clip.

And the climate change is like getting out of control.

And like, why don't you support the degrowth movement?

Like that's my question.

Why don't I support killing all Africans?

I don't know because I'm not a

cycle path no but de-growth is like reducing it's like reducing industry and

reducing population I don't think that's the official

Because to support a large population

You have to have industry

Absolutely you do

How do you support billions and billions of people

And not just billions of people

But people that have access to medical care. You know how much energy

medical care requires to power hospitals and have medical technology and infrastructure to be

able to have healthy lives, to be able to have comfortable lives, to have cooling so they don't die of heat stroke.

And, you know, to have good sewage systems and clean water and all this kind of things.

Sorry, buddy, but this whole thing of like going back to nature or whatever, you're talking about killing off majority of human beings, gay?

A majority of human beings are like capable of surviving before we had like too much industry.

And I'm not saying that you should get rid of all industries. But what are you fucking talking about because there has never been...

But what are you fucking talking about?

There has never been

8 billion people

until now

because we can support

8 billion people.

We could not support

8 billion people

when we're living in the fucking jungle.

There was only like 200 of us,

okay?

So what are you talking about? Just think about this dumb ass shit you us. Okay. So what are you talking about?

Just think about this dumb ass shit you say.

My position isn't really like regarding the third world.

It's mainly like towards the west.

Like in America like the average person consumes like 20 times more than the person living in like

a poor country so that's a

like that type of degrowth is kind of what I'm talking about

consumption and also

I'm not against cutting back against

wastefulness but this idea

that Americans are living like kings

is a complete fucking sham.

Okay.

Americans have very poor quality of life indexes, extremely poor nutritional intake,

extremely poor health, extremely poor access to basic things like parks and nature and fitness and you know so many things education you know look americans have access to cheap plasma screen TVs and they have access to junk food, that doesn't mean that they are,

you know, Americans have to suffer more

than they already are. What Americans need

is a dignified life. I'm not against

cutting back against wastefulness

and inefficiency, but

this idea that Americans live like

kings, it's a total lie.

That's just not true though.

They consume like 25 times more than like the national average.

How are they not living like kings?

They all have like automobiles.

They all have like massive suburban houses.

Who makes the automobiles?

Who makes the automobiles historically?

We do.

We made it ourselves.

It was American labor that made all of this shit.

So of course we have a super abundance of vehicles.

We absolutely.

By the way, the only, the reason why Americans are so rich is because of that, quote unquote, rich, because the wealth is being measured in terms of automotive vehicles and things that have engines and shit.

Yeah, we have a total super abundance of all that shit, probably the most in the world.

But you can't eat cars.

It doesn't mean we have access to healthy food and healthy ways of life.

It doesn't mean we have access to good infrastructure.

It doesn't mean we have access to good public services

it just means we have a shit ton

of metal cars and clanky

mechanical things that's very

true we do have that and by the way that's not a

bad thing to me

the bad thing is the fact that

people use this to

somehow mean that Americans are like

super loaded and wealthy. It's just not true.

They can't even afford homes, you know?

Bro, the average

American is, if you look at the house that

average American is living in, that's more than like, literally like 90% of the population of the globe. Like, what are you talking about? Have you seen like a suburban American house? You think the average American, first of all, lives in these McMansions. A,

would say don't.

Like, how many people

live in the suburbs?

Like,

just Google the percentage.

It's a lot.

Okay.

It may not be able to do it.

It's a lot.

Google how suburban is defined.

Okay,

I bet you there's trailer parks

that are being

defined as suburban,

right,

technically.

So, you know, what, like, what you're talking about is nonsense, all right?

You're saying that Americans are too wealthy, living in the Kings.

Even if you were right, let's just assume you're right, which you're not.

What's your point?

You want to start a movement in America for people to become poorer? Good luck. That's all I can tell you. Like, what is the solution? No, but the point is, is to cut down on the production. Like, you literally said yourself, let me explain. Let me explain. You literally said yourself that like automob automobiles there's such an access of automobiles

like that type of production should just

should just end because the whole

supply chain of producing automobile

and go on the side rod with a sign

and say that

I'm so sick of people

not understanding that you can have any fucking idea you want in your head,

but to get it done and get it realized means you have to have a message that is actually going to get you into power,

that has going to have masses of people support you and back you and have credibility in their communities.

If you don't have the fucking power to do something,

I don't give a shit what kind of good idea you have.

It's useless.

How do you actually do it?

This should happen.

This should happen.

This is my policy.

This is that policy.

Okay.

How do you get it done?

You just snap your fingers or what?

You yell at people and say, until people listen to me, I'm right?

That's not how it works.

The premise of the whole, like, prompt that you have here is to debate something.

It's not like to show a practical way.

I'm asking you how you're going to sell

Americans on the idea they should be poorer.

Bro, you can't sell

Americans on that. You just have to do it.

Like the people in power,

you have to like realize that like,

you have to release.

What is the likelihood of people in power

listening to you?

Once again, that's not even the original debate.

The debate was regarding to degrowth.

You say you don't support it.

Okay.

The people in power are already doing what you want.

America's become deindustrialized.

We've cut back on Medicaidicaid we've cut back on

public services uh and that's just been a tendency for decades and decades uh the government

is spending less on the people people are getting poorer they are getting more impoverished

so you're getting what you want.

So what is there a debate when everything is going your way?

But look at the amount of trips like an average American takes on an airplane or like how many vehicles that you own and stuff like that.

You know what?

You should hit up Lacey Graham and you should hit up the Republican Party and just be like,

you know what?

We need to punish Americans more.

Look how many airplane trips they're taking.

They need to be fleeced more.

What's going on?

You should do that.

I don't know.

They might be receptive.

I just don't know how they're going to get reelected with these messages.

Bro,

you're just putting words in my mouth.

I'm talking about the globe.

Like,

you don't think that we should be reducing,

like,

the amount of products and,

like,

the amount of things that are being produced.

That's just like a general philosophical question.

I'm not asking about practicality.

I don't know why you're so irrational.

I reject your bourgeois worldview where there's such a thing as we.

And this is Michael Jackson.

We are the world. We are the world.

Who is we? Who is we?

Who is we and who's going to do this?

You're living in bourgeois la-la land

where there is one subject

and we all just sit around

and talk about what we should do.

Democratic society. No, no, no. Society

is divided into classes,

into different interests, to different

groups. Power is

how you actually implement things.

It's a struggle and it's a war.

What's your strategy? Don't tell me you want to win a battle and don't tell me what your strategy to win the battle is. Because what you're talking about assumes

winning a war, but you think this is

Michael Jackson's

we are the world

and you don't have to do that

so how do you win the war to win the masses

to get what you want done

to be a political subject

and to have ideas

means to have a strategy if you means to have a strategy. If you don't have

a strategy, what you speak

is worthless.

Otherwise, you're already getting

the ball moving and people are listening to you.

In which case, you don't even have to talk to people like me.

Where do the gentleman go?

Did you leave?

Red Nary.

What's going on, man?

Lionel.

What's going on?

Okay.

All right.

Let's bring up Lyle.

Go ahead, Lyle's gone.

Let's bring up Matthew.

Go ahead, Matthew.

You hear me yes

yeah so i'm curious

um why you think that

zoran mamdani if he's

because i've seen you've said like he's kind of uh another

obama or he's a of another Obama or is a fake

or phony. I'm curious why you think

the Zionists are so pissed at him

if this is the case.

I'm not, you know, invading either way. I'm just

curious what your theory of what's going

on here is.

I think that Zionists are extremely hostile to anyone who

who suggests even the slightest amount of pushback

against the Zionist agenda and even slightly criticizes Israel, quote

unquote. So that's why.

It's just because the, you know,

it's an extreme, extremely

fanatical out of touch

type of

psychopathy where anyone who even

remotely criticizes them is, you know, completely

hounded in its acts. Does that mean Zoron is this, you know, this extremely principled,

independent guy? No, it's not enough to qualify that way in my

eyes, right?

But that's why he's under attack.

Thanks. That's all the questions I had.

All right, for sure. So

all right, Rambley's back.

I'll bring him up.

Go ahead, Rambley.

Real quick.

Get it out of your system.

Okay.

Hello, Oz.

Hello, Haas. Hello, old friend.

I've come back.

Thank you, Rambley. Thanks for saying hello.

I get Ramblely's on track

is not being a furry anymore, I guess.

He's learning, you know,

he's basically, he's, he's, uh,

signing in to talk about

how he's on track to recover.

So,

um,

who else is requesting?

How many holes do women have below the belt?

Who's requesting guys?

I don't know who brought him up.

Uh, Lyle's connecting.

Go ahead, Lyle. Well, you can speak.

Okay, there you go.

Can you hear me now?

Yep.

Okay.

So I just wanted to talk about an experience I had where I checked out the Twitter account of the, I think it's the official ACP Twitter account for California.

And they had posted something about the head person of SEIU, one of the SEIU union organizations was arrested by ICE. I forget. It was

during a protest, I think, actually. And they put it a solidarity thing.

So my experience with SEIU, I've been represented by them several times in my jobs.

And I've dealt with wage theft, all sorts of mistreatment, illegal mistreatment in at least one of these jobs.

And the local SEIU, 1021 is the one who is representing me, was not helpful at all.

And I became aware that they're part of a corruption thing.

I live in Oakland, California, and we have a problem where our mayor was

arrested for corruption. And SEIU 1021 is like one of the major supporters of her and how these

local corrupt politicians get elected.

So I'm curious.

I thought that was really interesting.

I mentioned something about it, and the California ACP account took down the solidarity thing with the

guy from the SEIE

was the farm workers SEIU.

I thought

that was really interesting and

I'm just wondering

how what the strategy

is for a communist party that's dealing, trying to gain a foothold in a country where the existing left is completely co-opted and, you know, is part of the problem?

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So is there a strategy for dealing with that?

Yeah.

Because, and then another thing that I'm concerned about is, you know, getting people who are right-wingers to or who tend towards that side of things,

to be able to be attracted within a communist party.

I think that's definitely possible.

I think you can frame things in a way where a lot of workers

will, you know,

support their own interests.

I'm just bringing these up

as like, you know, things that we should be thinking about.

I'm curious to hear about

what the strategies are that anybody else is using

or you know pursuing at this time i'm over, thanks for the question.

Appreciate it.

All right, Jacob, go ahead.

Oh, hi, can you hear me?

Yeah.

Okay, great.

I was just doing my trick.

Yeah, I'm from you there, and so it's a little bit, like,

risk rather than me being on here, but I do have

a question. I hope you don't take it in the

wrong way, but, yeah, I'm not

a fan of Trump, but, you know, the other day

I heard Donald Trump, he gave the

speech about how, like,

I think it was like a made-up story you know these stories the bonus

tell them you know you can tell when they made up yeah jacob i'm sorry but i don't know

what a person from new zealand could possibly ask me that could possibly be

of any value.

So that's the issue.

Can we bring someone else on?

It's just like, what, what, what's the angle here?

Like, what's going on?

You live on an island in the middle of nowhere.

What could you possibly ask me that's of any use or value to anyone in this space you know go ahead oh hey yeah so i was talking to people in your chat earlier, and I was asking them why you guys don't adopt fascist aesthetics, just as the fascist adopted communist aesthetics since slavery was like a movement with so much momentum back then, right?

Like national socialists, you know, in name only, but in aesthetics.

Because the aesthetics are garbage.

I think this, well, I think the aesthetics are actually what a lot of people desire, you know, like a sense of discipline, organization.

Yeah, but that's not, that was taken from the communists. So what are we talking about here?

Well, I mean, today to, today, if you wish to, you know,

rehabilitate the name of communism since, you know, 70 years ago.

I'm not interested in feeding into the historical falsification, which by proxy, you know,

claims that the left-wing communist tradition is fascist,

is because a lot of the

things about the fascist

pageantry were stolen from it.

No, I'm going to stick to the roots and say

this was our communist tradition

and, you know, fascists stole

aesthetics and they stole a vibe

of, you know, collective militancy and shit, I'm not going to give them credit for that because they don't deserve it because fascism was an ideology, which basically said, you know, might is right. It's all about the supermen who can win wars, and then they lost the war.

So it's a completely discredited, meaningless thing.

I don't even know why anyone in the world...

Sure, but...

Okay, I have another question.

Yeah.

So, regarding fascism, do you think that fascism

could

bring us closer

to class consciousness

than liberalism

because A, the means of production

are at least

controlled by the state

they might not be owned by the state

they're not controlled by the state but the state. They might not be owned by the state. They're not controlled by the state. But the state, the, the surplus value goes to the same factor. Under fascism, the state is literally a tool of cartels to enforce their monopoly.

That's all it is.

It's literally a tool to engage in union busting,

to clamp down on competition,

and most importantly,

to bail out monopolies when they fail on the market,

they get bailed out.

That's what they did in Mussolini's Italy,

and that's what they did in Nazi Germany.

That's all the... The state isn't in command of anything.

The state itself is subordinated

to round tables of industrialists.

So you don't think fascist economies are centrally planned?

Do you think it's...

No, they are... They are organs of monopoly capitalist cartels that use dictatorial power of the state to literally siphon wealth and funds to them that they couldn't otherwise get

in a free market democracy.

So that's what it is.

It's a big scam.

And then they put on pageantry and say

this is a mass movement of the masses.

It's just

it's literally just the around around, it's, it's, it's, it's a round table of, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, interests fulfilled. That's all it is.

Okay, sure, but I agree with that. But in terms of rhetoric, would you say that it is effective rhetoric at mobilizing a mass movement, or like least stealing the the momentum of labor back in the day

uh no it's not it all it did it didn't look the fascists in italy took power because they were able to

organize thugs to just go and use violence to beat up the labor movement and the

workers. Labor was very passive because it wasn't being led by militants. It was being led

by the socialists who were very reformist-oriented and very, they were Gandhi socialists effectively and so that's how

they would get to power the reason they got to power in Germany it's the same thing the

communists were late because there was confusion because there's still a conflict with splits

from social democracy the social democrats we should adopt the same

militancy what do you think we should adopt the same militancy the

bolsheviks were the original militants okay that's the issue the bolsheviks were the militants. It's just that in Germany, the Bolsheviks got massacred by the social Democrats and suppressed by them.

And in this way, it gave a huge window of time for the Nazis to capitalize on you know the the the

the be you know the posture the niche of being against the monopoly of the social democrats on

politics who people did resent and were sick of so that's what happened the social Democrats killed the communists and then the Nazis

took the place of what would otherwise been the communist position of opposing the social

Democrats and it made them popular. And by the time communists could get back on their feet it was like too late

okay that's these are very good answers one one final thing um so would you agree that the

fascist uh the fascist conception of um the fascist conception of race is really just an intersectional analysis of class

and modern fascists do not call for class cooperation

but they call for the outright removal of what they think is the ethnic ruling group

which in reality is just class.

So do you think that you can easily

turn fascists over to Bolshevism by telling

them, well, I mean, all the

capitalists, regardless of... The racial stuff,

it's all sadism.

It's just a sick, sadistic thing.

It has nothing to do with.

The racial stuff is just the type of cannibalism. It's a sick sadism. That's all it is.

Absolutely, but the racial, the undertones of the racial stuff is that there is some sort of, there is some sort of thing controlling finance capital. And they think it's a race, but in reality, it's just a class, right? So why don't, why don't you, I think it'd be very easy to push them in the direction of realizing that it's class, pushing them towards class consciousness.

Look, the masses of people are the battleground, okay?

If the communists don't win the masses,

all sorts of creepy monsters will win them, okay?

So what can I say?

All right.

Fair enough, thank you.

Okay.

All right.

Who else is requesting? go ahead.

Psychonaut, go ahead.

Oh, can you hear me?

Yes.

What is your opinion on

basically

sort of

our

Bordeca's

equivalent of like

left communism

which is really just

sort of this idea

of like

this sort of

ultra-lananism

that is like

it's just

fascism it's just fascism.

It's just fascism.

What's your, on the

idea of even viewing

democratic centralism as essentially like a

defamation and being to be

Now, Bordeaux was a pervert

who rejected

dialectics

and he was just

a fascist

just simple as that

okay

that's fine

my second

thing

I just wanted

your opinion

on so not

really a debate

so

Nick

Nick Land,

obviously,

if you've been

looking at any

posted recently,

he's hidden

the, like,

below the barrel

at this point.

He's now saying,

like,

the whole China and

Vietnam are like

national socialism

of the 21st century.

You have any opinion on that?

I think it's totally wrong.

Like his analysis is basically

it does remind me

like his whole

near reactionary level

has gone to the point of like Susan Sontag

like he just thinks like having an army

is fascism. Like having

army is fascism, anything

involving like patriots and nationalism.

Yeah, but it's not new.

It's not new.

Land has always had a very specific idea of fascism

that he got from DeLos and Gratari.

So what are we talking about here?

That's what I meant to,

like this is what I wanted to mention.

But, oh, I was initially, I just wanted to ask you about the, my first, you sort of just immediately shut down.

My first question was about the whole Bordiga thing.

The main criticism, like, if you just want to, like,

steel man it for a sec sec his main criticism of like even

democratic centralism is that even under the party state it essentially recreates the same

issues observable in essentially like a like western liberal, like the idea of like

devolution versus like unitary government

like rotten boroughs, all that sort of stuff.

Look, Bordeca, when I say

he's a fascist, I mean it.

Okay, I'm not just saying that.

And the reason is because

he has a very specific comprehension or a specific rejection

of dialectics within Leninism that is the same as the Nazi one, it's the same as the

fascist one.

And all it does is disguise an extremity of liberalism and crisis, unable to reconcile itself with its own contradictions, because Leninism takes and it sublates liberal democracy. It

actually keeps

certain things

and

regrounds them in a new way.

And that's the only way you actually

overcome it.

You have this twisted, you know, sadomasochistic relationship between fascism and liberal democracy.

There's no overcoming. There's no reconciliation of the contradictions within liberalism. It's just the negation of liberalism

permanently suspended and therefore, you know, inexorably connected to it. So what can I say? He rejects

dialectics. He rejects the third term of the dialectical process, just like Trotsky, just like the rest of the ultra-left.

And that's why they have this affinity to fascism that they do. And even it's true historically that they have this affinity.

Well, obviously, the obvious thing that most of the point about Italy was uniquely in Italy.

Vover was examples like the...

What Italy needed was a rediscovery of the modern democratic tradition from the countryside, just like what happened with Mao and China.

Democracy doesn't need to be bourgeois necessarily.

It doesn't have to be methodologically individualist, but there are aspects of bourgeois

revolutions, which Marxism doesn't completely and fully repudiate, but seeks to rediscover and, you know, reproduce in a new way.

So yes, absolutely. That is absolutely how history advances. History doesn't advance by annihilating every aspect of the previous epoch.

That negation is itself

by itself without the third term

of the resolution. The negation is just part of it.

It's just an attribute of it.

So what can I say?

So basically, you also, like, obviously you're calling him like a fascist in the, which in, it's

helling, like, geopolitically, he was, world historically, okay, he was aligned with fascism

on a world historical

level

I'm like just even I'm just actually giving you some

ammunition here I'm just saying openly

that obviously uniquely in the case

of Italy even beyond like the beef stakes

in Germany or

the Labor Party and Oswald Mosulian

all that sort of stuff. In Italy specifically

there were a lot of these Italian

socialist and communist party members

who did basically just collaborate with

Mussolini essentially to serve. I know.

I'm aware.

I'm aware. That was the That's why Trotskyism

got the reputation

it did because these were all the people

disappointed by Bolshevism and they all went to

fascism.

So essentially

like you're

you basically say like Bordogism and, like, his sort of ultra-left-com-landism stuff would have the same criticism against it as, like, basically...

I consider it extremely crude, extremely vulgar, unrefined,

and having its basis fundamentally

and in completely

incomplete

and lopsided

grasp of Marxism in the first place.

You know, Lenin

was a humble guy who went in a cave

and studied Hegel to understand Marx.

You know, these

freaky, weird ultra-lefts,

they just have a lot of

assumptions about what Marxism is that's based

on social democratic dogma,

they take these assumptions to, you know, inevitably extreme conclusions because they

have unexamined assumptions that are based in conceptual dogma. At no point do they go back

to the source

and actually try to understand where Marxism

itself came from in the first place.

So in your

mind, basically, like, the main floor

that would be similar to the old...

I think that's enough of me wanting to talk

about this. Levant, go ahead.

Because it's like, I'm not going to have an entire stream

talking about such a boring fucking topic. Go ahead, Levant.

Yeah, my disputes are a bit short.

One is, I think

the American Communist Party

is a bit too idealistic.

And another is, I think, a mix of communism and capitalism is better off than full-blown communism.

For example, in the housing sector where up to the state it might be faulty or people might want more independence and things like their own homes, for example. So you think we're idealistic and you're saying that the realistic thing is to have a balance between capitalism and

socialism? Capitalism and communism.

Okay, capitalism and communism.

You just kind of mix them up.

No, no, I said capitalism

and communism at first. Like, for for example in the housing sector yeah you just

kind of mix them up and mix and mash them and combine them right well for example the state

can take part in housing same with individuals because you know

where someone lives

for example if the state fails in

some aspects let alone more

independence might be wanted than in the

housing sector I think that's a good start

to mix them both where it's a mix

What if I told you that the word capitalism that you get from that's a good start to mix them both where it's a mix.

What if I told you that the word capitalism that you get from econ textbooks is literally just a scam by monopoly financial capitalist cartels that are taking over public wealth and are doing it under the pretext of these eternal principles that they call the free market or capitalism. But in the actual fact, it's just a complete scam to deceive stupid people into giving them more power than they already do. And that is a matter of fact, there is no such thing as an ideal capitalistic system that after 1929, okay, we are already transitioning into a different mode of production,

and we're a long way in already.

All of the actual wealth is produced socially.

And today, money, it's just created from scratch by governments in the form of fiat.

And, you know, when you're talking about, whoa, you just combine capitalism and communism.

And capitalism is when the guy has one cow and he sells the cow.

And it's like, you're just extremely confused about what capitalism and communism is.

It's just the truth.

Capitalism isn't some personal

principle. It's not some principle according to which individuals should be allowed to take

economic initiative and do things in a decentralized way. It doesn't even mean the presence

and reality of markets. Capitalism refers to the rule of capital.

It refers to a mode of production or a society where the dominant tendency,

you know, the dominant logic of production is based in capital and the accumulation

of capital for its own sake. Now, you take that to its logical conclusion. You're talking

about making money from money. You're talking about interest. You're talking about the accumulation

of debts and, you know, all of these incredibly

incomprehensible financial abstractions being the idol upon which the actual society we live in has to be sacrificed for. We have to be sacrificed and our resources, the ability for us to calculate how our economy should be run has to be completely determined by, you know, what is best for financial speculators and all these stupid abstract numbers that just amount to what?

They amount to the centralization of power in the hands of unelected, unaccountable oligarchies that violate the sovereignty of people

in the form of their constitutions and states. So when you're talking about capitalism,

you may have in your mind some kind of like ideal system. I have in mind the reality we're living in. And that's why I think you're the idealist one. You talk about we should have it capitalists. What we have right now is a tiny minority of bloodsuckers who rule the world

and are usurping and hijacking the sovereignty of peoples.

What we have is the complete decay and destruction

of civilizations, of nations, of countries, being plundered by deindustrialization, by underdevelopment.

That's what we have right now. That's the reality.

Mafia cartels, families of dynasties that just rule at the expense of the multitudes, the vast majority.

So what's your solution to that?

Because that's a situation.

It's not an idea.

It's a situation.

Go ahead, speak.

But I mean, the Soviet Union also had oligarchs that faces the same. situation. Go ahead, speak.

But I mean, the Soviet Union also had oligarchs that faces the same issues.

No, they didn't have oligarchs. What oligarchs? They didn't have oligarchs.

Well, it had, you know, corruption higher-ups. You know, that's one of the aspects that led to the Soviet Union that you're rating.

The, it had corruption, sure, but we're not talking about the entire logic of production being determined by financial abstractions that are ultimately meaningless when it comes to improving people's quality of life.

Sure, you had corruption, absolutely, but when all was said and done, everyone knew what the economy was for. It was for the benefit of the majority of people. That's what it existed for. You didn't have this open plunder and robbery that has become normalized where they say, oh, we have the free market. Oh, we have capitalism. And all it ever amounts to is putting people deeper in debt and deeper into slavery where basic needs like healthcare and education, these are being stripped away from people, basic benefits that they would get even working for a company. These are being stripped away from people, basic benefits that they would get even working for a company.

These are being stripped away.

And pay more rent, take out more loans, to pay for your existence.

Keep paying more and more tiths to these feudal lords.

That's the truth. That's what we live in. I mean, that's the reality. I mean, can we go to the Soviet Union and recreate that? No, we can. It's a different era. It's a bygone era.

Completely different conditions in a completely different time.

But, you know, Russia in the 90s, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, however corrupt the Soviet Union was, they were suffering mortality rates that were comparable to the wartime ones when they were fighting the Nazis.

So that's how devastating the destruction of the Soviet Union was for the people in Russia.

Was the Soviet Union perfect?

Absolutely not.

But it was the foundation and the basis.

I mean, for example, China,

the most powerful country in the world,

the most advanced civilization in the world, had the basis and the

foundation of a type of economy that was similar to the Soviet Union. From that basis, they were

able to become as dynamic and reform in the way that they did because they kept that foundation.

You get rid of it and annihilated wholesale. You don't have that, or worse, you don't even

have that foundation to begin with, then, you know, we're not, you're talking about, you're talking about a situation where

most people are being lined up for not even just the slaughter, but just to decay and be

abandoned. Look at America. Look at Texas floods. Nobody gives a shit.

They're just abandoned.

We don't have public infrastructure.

We don't have planning for emergency.

Nobody cares.

There's a nihilism.

There's a negligence.

All the people care about is the bottom line on Wall Street, you know?

The most basic needs of people to survive are just starting to be completely abandoned.

That's the reality of capitalism.

You can talk about the ideals of, I have one cow, I sell my cow and get a bunch of cows. Yeah, that's an ideal. The reality is what we're seeing in America today. Go ahead.

Yeah, but with you using the China argument, that kind of backs my argument because China is a hybrid of a mix of

communism and capitalism for example

Okay you know but it's semantics

Because if I if we try to make

America more like China

Okay what would what would be the backlash

By the system? I say it's communism

It's con so We give China the backlash by the system. I say it's communism.

So we give China the credit,

we give capitalism the credit for everything good in China,

but if we try to have aspects of the Chinese system,

that's extreme communism.

So at this point, it's semantics.

What are we talking about?

I mean, put it this way.

You were raised in a country of,

I don't know, let's say you were born in America,

I don't know if you were.

330 million people, all your life, you were taught.

This is what communism is, socialism and capitalism. That's normal and that's what the words mean to you okay china has over a billion people and it's ruled by a

communist party and they have a different teaching of what socialism means and what capitalism means.

So who's correct?

The people who are living it, for whom these words actually have meaning,

or the USA, which has no...

See, China experienced capitalism in the past.

It experienced everything in the past. It experienced everything in the past.

They're more of an authority in defining what socialism is than we are because we never had socialism.

It's an abstraction to us.

Go ahead. go ahead so so you disagree that communism and capitalism shouldn't be missed in certain sectors like the housing sector but I reject the idea of mixing them

because I think those terms

are political. If you think those

terms are just economic, then

it's not a matter of policy. It's a matter of

different stages in the evolution of

societies.

But if we're talking about politics and policy, the word capitalism is a signifier for acquiescence to the current actual monopoly capitalist class.

And I totally reject any compromise or acquiescence to the interests of that class. I don't believe we should compromise with these speculative landlords. I think we should wipe them out as a class wholesale.

Okay. Well, that's all I really had to say, but I, I, I, I just, my rebuttal would be, I think, more regulated

capitalism on the side of mixed communism.

Yeah, and I, I just see that as cuckoldry.

Just, I just see that as cuckoldry. I just see that as like, you know, what we were talking about, it just means Ted Cruz is in power.

That's all it means.

To actually have teeth to challenge the system, you've got to be a communist to the capital C.

You got to be at war with the system.

You have to be a radical who breaks with the

system who rejects the system who rejects those in power who calls them out and stands up for

the truth and is bracing themselves for impact for the war that they're going to get because i

don't care how moderate your reforms are.

We were shown with Bernie Sanders, even just to have health care, they're going to go to war with you.

You better be ready for that war.

It doesn't matter how moderate your policies.

Doesn't matter what your program is.

Be ready for war.

If you say we don't want our money going to Israel, okay?

They're going to treat you the same fucking way they treat Osama bin Laden.

It doesn't matter how moderate or extreme you are.

So all that matters is that you're prepared to fight.

And the only people who are prepared

to fight are communists, because they have

no illusions and no delusions

about the nature of what politics

is. It's a war. It's a class war.

No expectations

that this is going to be the end of the Lorax.

And they're going to, and I say, let it grow.

Let it grow.

Let it.

And it's all going to be like everyone coming together singing and holding hands.

No, we don't have that fucking illusion.

We don't think that love is going to prevail and Kylie Jenner Pepsi is going to work. We have no fucking illusion. We don't think that love is going to prevail and Kylie Jenner

Pepsi is going to work. We have no

fucking illusions about the system we live

in. That's why communism

with a capital C can't

compromise or mix

with the label capitalism. Because

we know what business we're standing on just advocating

for reasonable things not extreme things reasonable things anyway um modding go ahead hello strale stanney what's up go ahead hi um so i've been listening to you talk every now and then over the past few days about barbarianism and most recently about Iran and in contrast with certain other Middle Eastern civilizations, which are more prepared to kill for Labou-Boo than for the sake of any justice or any greater vision.

And I relate that to thoughts I've been having lately about, you know, the objective conditions under which revolution emerges.

Justice, you know, grand ideals, these sorts of things.

I don't know that you would disagree with me if I were to say that these, I mean, these are,

this is window dressing for what actually motivates a revolution, which would be desire,

which would be the expectation that something will change for the better, and that by some miracle, one might benefit from this.

I totally disagree.

I would like to know why.

Because revolutions are not acts of all the masses getting on the street together, and that's a complete bullshit lie.

Revolutions are a detail of

military conquest and history.

That's just the truth.

A revolution is a military act.

It's not an act of all

society simultaneously, you know,

jumping up and down and getting out of their

homes. And it's like the

the Hollywood movie Reds and lay mis do you hear the people no no a revolution is a

it's a military act it's a militant thing. Okay. And every revolution

in history worked like that.

Nomadic conquerors came.

The people that lived

and died by the sword came.

And they

got rid

of the people that, you know, that ruled sedentary civilizations.

And if they stayed in power, it was because of the passive acceptance of the population right um so in china the

pla you know it swam among the people like a fish in the sea but at the end of the day the pla

those were the nomadic conquerors. They took over China. The amount of people actually fighting with guns is a minority of the population. And it's always going to be a minority who are the militants who actually are organized enough and cohesive enough

to enact political change.

The Bolsheviks, where Stalin called him

a military religious order.

The Bolsheviks were a minority of the populace.

Not everyone's going to be a Bolshevik.

So,

support from the masses and the people,

90% of it is passive.

The 10% of active support is very important.

But at the end of the day,

human existence is based in labor.

To be a human being

is to be a laboring being. It's not to be a

political subject. Politics,

according to Marxism,

is not a good thing. Politics is a

parasitism. Because human

existence should just be about labor. It should be about living okay that's the purpose of life is to live politics a way of living in devotion to you know deciding how people should be led and all this kind of stuff that's an exception because the subject of

politics by definition if you think about it it's a 95% majority who are just living normal lives

human lives.

So, you know, the problem we have, there's no issue in terms of, oh, we're not in a revolutionary system.

The problem is an issue of organization.

The problem is an issue of leadership.

We don't have the militants.

We don't have the people. and why don't we have them because

they're not being led in the right ways because they're not being organized and they're not being

guided in the right ways the material is there it It absolutely is there.

But the clarity, the consciousness is not there.

That's the factor we're missing, the consciousness.

Absolutely.

Apsa fucking lutely.

It's a theory problem.

It's a consciousness problem.

I mean, material conditions are totally fine. People

don't have their shit together because they don't know

what the fuck they're doing.

And they don't know anything about the

world they're living in. Literally nothing.

Um, I suppose that's consciousness I've been, I'm concerned with a bit more detail about consciousness, because I'm thinking in particular about these types of people who are militants.

And if I'm thinking, and if I'm trying to explain their behavior and their willingness to fight,

from a material perspective,

I can't say that what they're really concerned with is justice in itself

with regard to some absolute principle

that they're loyal to or functionaries of.

Ultimately, people persist in spite of these

explanations that they give there.

I don't... I'm sorry,

but you're not going to convince me that the Bolsheviks,

you know,

we're looking to have the prices

of bread be lowered. Because Bolsheviks

were people that live

terrible fucking lives, living in

Siberia, they sacrificed everything.

These were people that sometimes came

from very, very wealthy backgrounds

like Zerzinski, who came from a noble

background, noble lineage. These are

people who could have chosen

to be lawyers that are successful.

They could have chosen to be very wealthy.

They could have chosen to use their talents

and skills elsewhere.

Instead, they chose to dutifully serve a higher cause.

You can't explain

the Mao's and the Che Guevara's

in terms of some kind of vulgar

you know, material self-interest.

You just can't. There's no way.

How do you explain Che Guevara

doing what he did?

He wants the price of Lububoos to go down. He can give a fuck about that, okay?

I guess that sounds to me like the kind of perspective that I try

to get away from as a kind of

as a kind of idealism

I think that we have to understand

It's not idealism, okay? What you're talking about

is a vulgar, it's not even vulgar

materialism. Volgar materialism

that's the French mechanists and, you know, maybe Spinoza or something.

What you're talking about is just cynicism.

Cynicism is not materialism.

I'm not suggesting that people are purely...

I'm not suggesting that...

Yeah, people are motivated by living a life that matters.

People want their life to matter.

They want to have it be for something.

That's not idealistic. That's just, I mean, if you really want to get into the weeds of Marx's human materialism, of a human for

himself, for itself,

and how Marx comprehends morality and principles kind of things.

I recommend you read the early Marx

because he provides a materialist framework that explains why people,

from a materialist perspective. I do this, but, you know, the

cynicism thing, it's just nonsense to me. I guess I don't believe that people are ultimately

only motivated by kind of ulterior motivations. I guess I'm not trying to say that

Lenin or any of the Bolshevik militants only expected to lower the price of Lubu's. I'm not saying that they weren't prepared to die. What I want to understand, and I guess this is the answer that you, this is precisely the answer that I wanted, that I wanted. What I want to understand is the fact that they were willing to give their lives, that they could have been lawyers, that they could have been any of these types of things, but, but there is there is some means by which someone in a position typically disposed to, someone in such a position typically disposed to

someone in such a position

typically disposing its

inhabitants to kill for

Labuboos is instead

willing to do something

that most of the time we can only

really explain in terms of, you know,

fealty to some higher justice for its own sake.

Well, look, how do people become Macha Guevara?

How do they become Lenin?

How do they become Jersinski or Mao, you know,

how does a human being

become that?

Well,

a lot of the time,

people,

you know,

are confronted

with something called truth.

And they're given a choice.

They can ignore truth and do the convenient thing.

Or they can be in the embrace of truth.

And they can live by correct principles and by what's right.

And some people make that choice.

And all it takes is a minority. That's all it takes.

Most people cave to social pressure and they cave to what's convenient and what's

immediate to them. But some people are motivated by something bigger because they see the

falseness of immediate social satisfaction for whatever reason. They comprehend its falseness. They comprehend that their humanity and their existence is not being satisfied in the immediate consumption of things or getting the approval and satisfaction of their peers,

that there's something missing that this is not fulfilling.

And I think all human beings, by the way, experience this.

It's just that not all of them have the intelligence to comprehend

what that thing which is missing is. But sometimes people discover it, sometimes by accident.

And once they discover it, it's very difficult to sell out unless you become disillusioned. You despair and you become

disillusioned and you become cynical. That's how people sell out. When people sell out, it's not

because their appetites are so strong and the desire that compels them to want to consume is just too great, that can be overcome with discipline. The problem is that people lose belief. And loss of belief is an existential form of confusion it's not a default state it's a form of confusion

and ultimately a form of misery there's not a single happy person in the fucking world who doesn't have belief i don't care how

wealthy they are how much money they have i don't care how easy they have it there's something

missing and they will tell you that themselves so sometimes when people like che Guevara and Lenin and Mao discover the thing which is missing which is truth which is a life in service to a greater cause, which is an authentic existence, to live in

commensurability with one's being as a human, not just as a human, but as a real being,

why would they trade that for anything in the world?

Why would they trade something invaluable for anything else?

What is more valuable than that?

What matters more than that?

I've tried to convince myself to do various things with the very same sorts of word.

Some people are intelligent

and some people are stupid.

That's the truth.

Because some people

will say,

oh, I'd rather,

I'd rather have a Bugatti.

That's a short-term desire. You're going to get the Bugatti. That's a short-term desire.

You're going to get the Bugatti.

You're going to get fucking bored of it.

And you're going to realize it doesn't fucking matter.

People who have intelligence say,

I already see where this is going.

I already see myself driving a Bugatti.

And my existence is not fulfilled in this.

But this cause, this does fulfill my existence.

This does satisfy my existence.

This is a proper way to live.

And they have the foresight to comprehend that, because they understand what it is.

They understand that cutting past all the bullshit, which is impressing your fellow stupid people,

about how much shiny, dumb bullshit things you have ultimately

doesn't fucking matter and it's not worth living for it's just not I mean ask the

people who made it and they'll tell you they they're all shooting up drugs to pursue other pleasures and

desires because it's not enough for them it's not a real human existence well every single

person who lives in this stupid animal like way of just wanting short-term pleasure is fucking miserable.

And actually, the people that are living for money to get their grind up, it's the grind that's motivating them.

It's the story of overcoming and persevering against all odds that's giving them meaning. Once they fucking make it, they're the most miserable

people in the world.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying.

I think that you're absolutely right about it all.

I guess you were, you were right to say that I probably have

reading to do with Marx

with

regard to

understanding the greater cause

that motivates any revolutionary

as part of that revolutionary's own cause as one with their nature after a certain pleasure something ultimately akin to the sorts of superficial pleasures but only more

not a superficial pleasure because you know what it is is that ultimately you

realize something in life very few people end up realizing this, but some manage to, and these are the people that

become the revolutionaries, you realize something in life that all of your happiness, all

of your suffering, all of your pain, all of your pleasure, the whole

spectrum, everything you go through.

All of it is not for you.

You are not the subject.

It's really not for you.

Everything meaningful, everything noble, everything enduring is at a scale of history,

something so beyond ourselves that all we can do is ourselves.

That all we can do is live a life in service to it, because it's not for us

as individuals. It's just not.

Human beings exist at a scale

of multitudes and in time of generations and this is what matters

this is what it's all for and when you start to realize this, that almost all human suffering is meaningless, it's absolutely meaningless for no reason, for nothing.

You're unhappy because you don't have the money that you want,

you don't have the things that you want,

you're not the person you want to be.

All of this is just meaningless.

And what actually

matters is something so much more fundamental.

So much more essential.

Where, I suppose I'm going to have to and on an instinctual level I absolutely agree with everything you're saying on an instinctual level I feel that and I feel that and I know what you're talking about when you talk about the rejection of and the the worthlessness of superficial goods and the fact that there's no really no really explaining you know human suffering in terms of any grand cosmic meaning. I mean,

ultimately, I think that goes for anything. I mean, ultimately, I have to reckon the truth that I feel and what you're saying with the fact that nothing, and I'm not saying this in some ridiculous, like, Rick and Morty nihilist sense, but nothing really matters. Everything in history really is ours. It has to be ours somehow. It has to be for us. Or else there be no way to understand the reason that objectively existent human beings see worth

in their

participation

in it

but

everything

everything

is not for us

because we

only exist

for a finite amount of time what's for us because we only exist for a finite amount of time. What's for us is the obligation to keep it moving. That's it. That's what's for us. The duty to give back to everything that was given to us in order to exist.

Give back and keep it moving.

Maybe so. Maybe I've yet to think properly in terms of obligation, but I've tried before, and I feel that if all we have are obligations and we understand that we could load ourselves down with more and more informed them option.

We end up nowhere.

We end up, we end up imitating somebody else or miming out some,

miming some gesture just as worthless as any.

I mean, I don't know what you're talking about, really.

Well, I won't spend any more of your time then.

Thank you very much for explaining as you have all right for sure

yeah

you know guys it's like

it's not about being a saint

and being

you know uh you're just so moral, you're just such a good person.

It's about bourgeois self-interest versus proletarian self-interest.

Buzoir self-interest is measured in terms of the pursuit of money proletarian self-interest

is measured in terms of seeking to acquire distinction through work like the staccano movement

or through honor through fighting in battle through

through the realization of exceptional ability you know proletarian self-interest is like athletes athletes have more of the proletarian self-interest is like athletes.

Athletes have more of the proletarian self-interest.

I mean, they go and they get these brand deals and they have this IP and bullshit.

But at the end of the day, acquiring distinction and earning your keep in this life based on what you can fucking do is way more

proletarian than measuring that in terms of how much you can take and how much money you can make.

Go ahead, Slime.

What's your opinion on Spinoza's God and Hegel's God?

It's the god of Plato, it's the monad.

Do you agree more with Spinoza's ideal or Hegel's?

Of God, I reject both of their the idol of philosophy.

I rejected. It's an idol.

I believe in the God of the burning bush.

That says, I am what I am.

I believe in the God of Moses and Jesus

and the Prophet Muhammad.

That's the God I believe in.

So you're a monotheist?

Yes.

Oh, so

you don't mess with monoism or

pantheism? Or you think it's like

absurd or something?

I reject I reject

all theology that's based in philosophy.

Okay, got it.

But you don't think there's any nomological contradictions or monotheism?

Any what? Any what?

Any contradictions?

Like, there's a lot of critiques.

What's wrong with contradictions?

I don't know what you're talking about.

I mean, it makes your position pretty untenable.

Okay, shoot.

What's the issue?

You want me to critique monotheism?

Just in a very simple way, talk about contradiction that you have in mind.

Okay, so the Abraham God, the one of the yeah the abrahamic god is pretty much uh like called all good

it's like an omnivine benevolent but then but then he gives like an infinite punishment to people

that don't believe in him so like you have a finite amount of time on this earth for a finite

sin you suffer an infinite punishment for not believing.

That's a contradiction.

You're basically asking, how can God be God while there's distinctions in the world?

Right?

No, no, I'm asking if he's all good.

Why is he giving an infinite punishment for a finite crime

because first of all it's not even necessarily true that belief in the hereafter

takes this form, that it's an eternal

punishment. It's not true in Judaism.

I don't know if it's true

in Christianity. It's not really

true in Islam.

It is true, though. Like, every scholar

and even in

Islam agrees that you're going to go to hell

for eternity I think the idea of going

to hell for eternity is retarded

that's my opinion

you just said you believe in monotheism

and you reject a philosophical piece of God

now here of eternal hellfire to believe in the retarded idea of

eternal hellfire

to be a monotheist.

I reject that.

I reject the idea that there's an

eternal hell.

Yeah, but when I first asked you,

like,

do you agree with more like esoteric

conceptions of God?

You disagreed.

You said,

no, I agree with the monotheaists conceptions of god you disagreed you said no i said i reject

the philosophical one esoteric

and philosophy are not the same thing

they're kind of ours but knows as god is pretty esoteric

philosophy is based in plato

and platonic idealism,

especially within the Western tradition,

which I reject.

I reject

the god of rationalism.

I reject that.

Okay, but like Spinoza's God

is like really like

It deals with a lot of contradictions.

Spinoza's God is literally Satan.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is.

What are you talking about?

Spinoza's God is Grock.

That's Spinoza's God. It's Grock.

Yeah, but your God gives an infinite punishment

for a finite crime, so isn't your God

worse? Well, I don't agree.

So you disagree

with all the scholars, but you say you're a Muslim

and you agree with the theology.

This is why I'm against

religious babble like what a stupid

I asked you like you said

oh you're a monotheist so it's like

what about the contradictions in monotheism

and now you're getting into like the nitty

of like these stupid details

I don't even give a fuck about

I believe in there is

one thing that matters

and one absolute God

of the entire universe

and of existence. That's what I believe, okay?

Is that God all good?

So you're telling me what about how in paradise there's like a flower that looks like it smells like?

I don't like, what are you talking about?

I don't know.

You're not even talking about what matters.

Okay.

Is that God all good?

Is your God all good?

Yes or no?

Yeah.

Okay. Then why did you put... So, okay, you say

there's no hell, then what do you think

happened in the afterlife? I didn't say no

hell. I just said people have to, like,

burn and get punished, so they realize

how much they fucked up,

and then when they realized that, they're fine.

Okay.

So if you're a non-believer who tries the best to believe in God,

but your rationality prevents you from believing in God,

you deserve to burn in hell for your disbelief?

I think if you were to like accept the truth on earth, it would be very painful.

If I was, if you were able to just for, even if you don't agree with this truth, for you to adopt what I believe, you would have to go through an extremely psychological, painful process with so much

cognitive dissonance, with so much hard pills to swallow, with so much of your worldview shattered,

what you understand is true shattered, so much of your existential position to go through pain, you know, having to know what you

live for and to act on the basis, it's extremely painful. That on earth is extremely painful.

So the idea of hell, which is that the soul, in order to be purified, has to go through extreme pain and suffering to comprehend real humility before God and to comprehend real gratitude for its existence.

I think that's totally makes sense to me.

Because on earth, that's how it is.

Okay, but you can go through suffering and not come to the conclusion of God.

That's a non-sequitur.

Bro, if you don't want to believe in God, I'm not going to force you to.

That's the great thing.

I'm not here. I don't

care if you believe in God or not. I believe in God

not because I have to, according to,

some syllogism of logic,

but because it makes sense to me, okay?

Because God means something to me. I feel bad for you that you haven't discovered what that is.

You haven't discovered God. You don't know what God even refers to. If you think God refers to some kind of

conclusion of logic in your head, then you have no connection to what God is. You just start

alienated from it. And I wish you the best of luck.

I'm not here to force you to comprehend what it means to believe in God.

Like, I could care less. You can believe whatever you want.

Okay. Can I ask you another

question regarding

Lysenkoism?

All right.

Why do you believe in it?

Because I

believe in God.

Okay. Do you want to explain that

because I don't know what you mean like

okay then all right bro

anything else

oh like how do you plan on getting power

that was my original question with the degrowth one

how do you plan on getting power

we're going to build up our party

from the ground up and then

when shit hits the fan and collapses we're going to be basically

the only ones who have maintained organization and an ability to fulfill the obligations pursuant

to the you know the the production of

a general welfare

and

you know

the service

to the common

interest we're going to be

the only ones

who basically

everyone else

is going to be

a killer clown

so people

are going to choose

between the killer

clowns

and the communists

it's going to be simple.

Anything else?

I like your analogies.

So basically

what Mao did, like go to the masses,

go to the peasants, and then build up

report, and then when like

things go to shit

you just like yeah okay that

that's a decent strategy to be honest

that's what I was thinking as well

yeah okay

and when do you think the collapse is going to happen

um I would have my eye on 2020 collapse is going to happen? Um,

I would have my eye on

2028, but it could be

sooner. I mean, I don't know. I honestly don't know.

I don't know what, I don't know

if it's necessarily just going to be a collapse

more like the dysfunction

is going to reach such an extreme

that the government is no longer

able to fulfill the basic obligation

of ensuring the normal flow of things

which is starting to already be the case

you know when you talk about

authority right you say that you have to have authority first

to like do anything i i think you're like 100% correct on that and like i think like if there

is going to be a collapse it's going to be between the bourgeois like the republicans and the

democrats like the oligarchs that fund both of them, it's going to be a war between those two.

I don't think it's going to be like the masses like standing up.

No, it's not. It's going to be a contradiction within the elites.

Yeah, like, like, Musk is like completely like, he's like super illiberal, just like Trump. And I think they're going to like completely like he's like super illiberal just like trump and i think they're gonna like

fight like the democratic like super like liberal elitist like correction uh politically correct

faction yeah it'll be civil war yeah Yeah. All right, man. That's all I had.

All right. For sure.

Bye.

All right. Who else wants to come up?

We're going to have one more person

you're technically supposed to wrap it up

this person's name is jews versus china

world war three

go ahead

go ahead.

Go ahead. Jews versus China, World War III.

Go ahead.

Hello, can you hear me?

Yeah.

Hello?

Yep.

Oh, uh, so it was supposed to like a kind of debate.

Okay.

Yeah, I'll just say I have like extremely positive views on the national socialists Germans in China

Okay, because

Because they get under the enemy skin so much

And you just like Would you agree?

You just like the Nazis because it's edgy and it's it's it's it pisses off

the ADL.

No, it's not edgy because like I read like Hitler speeches and I agree with like most of it.

What have I told you Hitler's speeches were for literal

retards and

by just reading them

uncritically without like examining what he

actually did, it makes you one of them.

I don't think it's retarded.

Yeah, but no, it was four retards.

It was the whole point was to trick retards

into following him and his retarded war

against the Soviet Union, which was

suicidal.

So you're saying, like, what did you say the national socialists would you say they were okay before the international socialist what

look these guys didn't even nationalize a single industry. What are we talking about socialism?

This is just a scam. It's an Indian

scam, okay? It's just a

New Delhi scam.

Hitler was literally a Indian

He was absolutely a call center

scammer. He was absolutely

Why did you redeem it? Why did you redeem it?

He was absolutely a scammer who was just fucking selling a bunch of people on some bullshit.

Meanwhile, he was just fulfilling what the fucking German industrialists and bankers wanted.

It's all that happened. He was just

tricking stupid people.

Really? Germany didn't look like a shihull

like India. And also like

Hitler's speaking about. Because on

credit,

they were giving people jobs

making machine guns and tanks

and in order to pay off all the credit,

they had to go loot Eastern Europe and the

Soviet Union to pay back their capitalist

masters. And they failed.

They needed

the entire 1930s, the entire German economy

was only growing because of the military.

That's it.

Just like today's America.

Today's America is all military industry.

That's responsible for all the growth.

That's the same thing in Germany in the 90s.

Okay, then explain what happened from starting from like 1938, 1937. When Hitler started invading all these countries, explain, please. What do you talk? What do you, what do you, what do you what do you what do you mean

well like explain the events of why you think the Nazis are the bad guys

like what happened what happened in like 1937 1938 1939 basically like

all the invasions because like

Hitler wanted to

expand eastward

and he did and then he

failed

so he first he started out with the Rhineland

which is like the western part of Germany and then So he first he started out with the Rhineland, right?

Which is like the western part of Germany and then he took Austria, right?

And then he took Czechoslovakia, right? And then he took Poland.

Am I correct?

Yeah, but if you think about it, invading all those countries it violates the

Jewish Treaty of Versailles

it pisses off these Jews in Brits

that's why I don't have a problem with him invading

those countries so it's okay to enslave

and massacre the Slavs because it

pisses off some Jews like what are you talking

about it's fucking stupid.

Dude, look, I...

This is the thing.

You took, you took, like, a red pill one time, and you're like, oh, you know, Hitler's the bad guy in movies, but actually, he's the good guy.

Just do more reading and go down the rabbit hole more because you're very

surface level and you'll realize Hitler was a retard and a scumbag and that the real red pill is

Lenin and the Bolsheviks.

It's too esoteric for people right now

because that requires more education.

People aren't ready for it.

Yeah, I read a lot of Hitler speeches.

And also, do you support the Treaty of Rathai?

You shouldn't just read his speeches.

You should read what he did.

Not just what he said.

Yeah.

Yeah, he violated the Treaty of Versailles.

He basically restored the lost German territories

from World War I.

That's why the Jews are so mad.

World War I, the's why the Jews are so mad. In World War I, the German

Empire was colonizing

Southern Europe and the Slavs

and that was their colonial

project. Meanwhile, Britain and France were doing it to Africa, the

Middle East and other places

in the world.

So Germany was doing that to the Sloths.

So... Oh, so the Germans are the bad guys in World War I, right?

Is that what you're saying?

They're the bad guys, right?

No, no.

I'm not saying that.

I'm saying in World War I,

these were all colonial empires that were predatory

and sought to destroy

and oppress other nations.

That's just the truth.

They went against America,

Britain, Russia, France

in World War I.

That's what Germany wanted to do.

It's not about Jews. I mean, technically, Jews supported the Germans in World War I.

By and large.

They did.

Yes, they did. By and large, they supported Germany because they wanted to, because they hated Russia.

No, they didn't.

You know, J.P. Morgan's...

Holy shit.

I can't...

Yeah, J.P. Morgan, Jr.'s...

Yeah.

World War I, a lot of the Jewish community supported Germany because Germany was fighting Russia.

And at the time, Russia was doing pogroms against Jews.

So they saw Germany is the good guy.

So are you saying it's the Jews that support Germany versus the Jews that support America, Britain, France, and then they're just fighting off each other for no reason? Is I'm saying?

I'm saying if it's all about Jews for you, why are you, why do you think?

Well, it's not all about, it's not.

Okay, so I don't know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, it's not all about Jews for me, but I, I still think Jews will hold the highest level of power.

They're like at the top of the pyramid.

Because, because if it's not Jews, then what, what is it?

Is it white people, British people?

The British release that control the West?

No, it's not.

I don't know.

Maybe it's not a fucking ethnicity.

Why does it have to be an ethnicity?

Yeah, but do you

see the problem? No, these... Maybe ethnicities are

divided. You know, maybe...

Yeah. Maybe it's not a race

or an ethnicity. Yeah, yeah,

Bahas, do you see the problem

of your worldview?

You think that what rules us has nothing to do with race.

It's a multi-ethnic coalition of these bad elites.

Like, that's your worldview.

It has nothing to do with race.

Yeah, it is, it's not based in race. Yeah, it is

it's not based in race. I'll tell you that.

That doesn't mean it's like the diverse rainbow coalition. It's pretty

low and pretty, and yeah, there's Jews there too, no doubt. It's pretty Dutch. It's pretty, you know, whatever. It's pretty, and yeah, there's Jews there too, no doubt. It's pretty Dutch.

It's pretty, you know, whatever.

It's pretty, you know, European.

That's the truth.

And then there's many Jews as well.

Yeah, I mean, yeah,

it's, yeah, there's a lot of like

it's not like one race

it's more like

one class

it's more like no i agree with you

linear let me know it's more like

all right

anyway what yeah no i agree with you like it's not more like, all right, anyway, what?

Yeah, no, I agree

with you.

Like, it's not just one race, but

it's, my point still stands that

Jews are at the top of the top, no matter

what. Like, sure, there's, like, elite

goyem, but Jews, they'll

only, they'll always be like one notch

ahead but I think back

to the topic

like so what's your solution

if that's true what's your solution

I don't know this just

stop telling like us like stupid

gore to, worship Jews.

When did I tell?

When have I told anyone to worship Jews?

What are you fucking talking about?

Yeah, just give you Jewish power.

Stop something about Jews.

I think that's the, that's a solution.

You realize I went to Nasrallah's funeral, right?

Like, in person?

Like, do you even...

Yeah, I know that.

I saw that.

So what are you talking about?

Like, talking about, you know, Jewish power, which means Zionism.

I assume that's what you mean.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, it's not just Zionism.

Okay.

What is it then?

Because I think Jews were a problem before Zionism.

Am I correct?

I mean, a lot of people are a problem.

Yeah, but I think Jews are like the biggest problem.

Like, they're so war hungry on China.

Um... like they're so war hungry on China. Um,

again,

it's,

I'm just baffled by like,

it's just really stupid.

Like,

what,

what are you actually saying concretely like what are you saying you're saying

i mean the jews you're saying the jews are the problem if it wasn't if it wasn't for these jews

everything would be but it's like how do we get here in the first place?

Okay, okay.

Think of this hypothetical.

Let's say, let's say there's no, let's say, um,

if there's no such elite Jews controlling America,

would you, would you still believe that there will be war in the Middle East, war on terror,

$20 trillion spent just to like destroy Middle Eastern countries?

What do you say that would still happen?

No Jews controlled America. When Jewish power was much less pronounced in this country.

You know, at least compared today with the ADL and, you know, like,

Zinus Lobby and like whatever.

And when, before the Ellis Island,

you know, migrations

led to like a new, you know,

new class of wealthy people, know uh we had mainly like anglo uh monopolist

and industrialists the morgans the rockefellers the carnegies and stuff and yeah absolutely we

were committing atrocities and going to war in South America.

And we went and we got into World War I.

But even before then, you know, we were in the Philippines.

So, yeah, we were involved in imperialist wars of plunder before, you know, Jewish power, so to speak, became that prominent here.

And the root, you know, I just don't think you're going to the root cause.

The root cause of Israel existing in the first place is a consequence of this specific global class, which absolutely includes the Anglo-Atlantic elite, primarily the Anglo-Atlantic

elite, allied with the Zionist movement and with Herzl to create a Jewish solution to the Jewish question, right? Because as much as you say you hate Jews and they're a problem and whatever, the biggest conflict was within Europe. Everyone said there's this Jewish question. Jews are not like us. They don't have our religion. They're like foreigners. And they had to find a solution because of the problem of assimilation, because, you know, a lot of Jews were poor and they were workers and they were pretty radical sometimes. And, you know, the Zionists were pushing

for this idea

that Jews should be a different nation

and they should leave

all these European countries and they should go

to form their own nation and their own country.

And the British signed off on this

plan and agreed with it. Yeah, I agree. That. And the British signed off on this plan and agreed with it.

Yeah, I agree.

That's why Israel.

Yeah, the British, they love, yeah, the British, they love Jews the most.

They fucking love Jews.

I agree with you on that.

I think the problem is, is where I'm going to have an issue, is that, you know, the reason why there were Jews in Europe in the first place was because they were the only minority that was accepted Muslims were not in Europe.

How come there's no there were no Muslims in Europe?

Yeah, it's the white man's fault

for allowing the Jews to gain over

to take power. It's the white man's fault.

But there were Jews in the Middle East the white man's fault.

But there were Jews in the Middle East and in Islamic countries

and there wasn't, didn't seem to be a problem.

Yeah, I'm not saying every single Jew

on the planet is bad, but I would say majority

of them are.

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here.

Like your whole,

you're coming in here being like,

I really don't like Jews.

It's like,

what do you want for me?

What do you want me to do about it?

I'm a person who lives in a different world than you.

Like, it's like coming on and telling me you don't like Indians.

What do you want for me?

What can I do for me?

I mean, I think the whole point of this discussion is, yeah, all you talk, all you've talked about is you don't like Jews.

Like, what do you want me to do about it?

I mean,

what else is there to talk about? We're like

debating, right? And I know that

I know that like, what else is there to talk

about besides

yeah, you hate, you hate, besides

disliking Jews, what else is there to talk about? A lot of things. Yeah, you, you hate Besides dislike the Jews, what else is there to talk about?

A lot of things.

Yeah, you hate, you hate Zionism, you hate Hitler, you think Hitler's on the same path as the British elites in Zionism, which I disagree with.

I don't have to hate Hitler because he killed himself.

He's gone.

Okay, you view Hitler as evil, one of the most evil men alive.

I think he was evil, but I don't care about Hitler because he's gone.

And I just think it's really retarded how people are making Hitler the like Messiah

of today's age when he's like killed

himself and he's dead.

That's all I'm saying like I just

Well yeah

I'm not I'm not impressed with Hitler

I'm just not impressed with Hitler.

Well

there's a reason why Hitler's

like the most famous

he's one of the most famous person to exist

in the world because his words

told so much he actually accomplish

he warned

the world about Jewish power and everybody's

talking about it right now okay so Hitler warned the world about Jewish power and everybody's talking about it right now.

Okay, so Hitler

warned the world about Jewish power

Yes. And in

2025... Everybody's talking about right now.

Yeah, because Israel's

atrocities in genocide

in Gaza, people

are saying, oh, this means Hitler was

right to hate them. And it's like,

it's kind of a very parochial

like ethnic

feud type of logic, where

it's just, it's like stupid Balkan countries

fighting. Now, I get Israel is, Israel is logic where it's just it's just like stupid Balkan countries fighting

now I get Israel is

Israel is the Nazi Germany of our day

I totally think it is I think Israel is

Satan on earth it's not

well it's not it's Israel is

absolutely the you know existentially

evil but arts you know the, you know, existentially evil.

But,

you know,

you know,

rewriting history,

it's just kind of,

it reminds me like,

let's say Romania

was,

like, extremely evil, you know?

And then everyone was just like, you know what?

This proves that when the Ottomans massacred them, it was a good thing.

And it's like, like well it's not really

like a well-rounded perspective

on history

it's just kind of like a stupid

petty thing to say

if you're taking it seriously

you know

um yeah I mean like the whole you know um

yeah

I mean like the whole

the whole point of our conversation is

to try to solve this problem about

what's happening in America

and the main problem in America is that like

rather you're Democrat

Republican that's what I want to Democrat, Republican. They all love Jews.

I want to hear...

Look, if you're trying to get an

argument for me that

the Zionist lobby controls politics

and in like a crazy unprecedented way,

I agree it does.

Do Democrats

and Republicans serve Israel? Yes, they

do.

But they also have their own reasons

for that, like the evangelical belief

that, you know, which

they actually do believe that this is god's chosen people and they

got to kill all the muslims and then jesus is going to come and kill all of them in jerusalem

that's what they believe they literally believe that so it's real. Yeah.

But what's your point?

Yeah, it just goes back into the World War II question.

That's why everybody's like researching about World War II again. World War II is over.

What are you talking about, the World War II question?

It's over. Yeah, it's over. The World War II question. It's over.

Yeah, it's over, but it's still connected to what's

happening today. That's what I'm saying.

That's what you keep mentioning about

how great Stalin is and no Stalin.

I don't get what you're fucking talking about. Hitler

did to Eastern Europeans

and Soviet

peoples what Israel is doing to Gaza now.

What's the difference?

Why are a bunch of Russians

to blame for what Israel is doing

right now to Gaza?

So it's okay the Nazis went and enslaved and committed all these atrocities on the quote unquote subhuman Slavs because of Israel's crimes today. It's kind of fucking stupid. But you go to Russia today and you have people whose family were killed by Nazis and brutalized by the

No it's like what and you're saying saying we need to we need to actually make Hitler the good guy now

Let me let me explain in like in like, in like a minute or two.

I'm on my, I'm not on my computer.

I'm like in my car right now.

But let me explain to me like a little bit of history.

So basically the reason why.

I need a history.

Yeah.

You have a very.

Okay.

Okay.

I'll explain to you like 30 seconds

Alright

The main reason why

Hitler and the Germans

Wanted to invade the Soviet Union

Which like I think started like June

1941

But the main reason why they wanted to invade Russia

Was because Hitler He had a meeting with Molotov.

I forgot his first name.

Yeah, Molotov.

He had a meeting with Malatov in like November 1940.

So that's like seven months before the invasion of the soviet union and

Maltaf said that the Russians they're interested in taking over Romania if

they take it war Romania in Germany can only rely on the oil supplier of Russia.

It's not what they said.

They said that they would not tolerate

Germany taking Romania.

They didn't say they were going to take Romania.

No, Germany didn't take Romania at all.

They had troops there. They had troops there, but they didn't take Romania at all. They had troops there.

They had troops there, but they didn't take Romania at all.

The Soviet said, in terms of these sphere of influence shit, which was literally just defensive on the Soviets part, they didn't want the Germans going into Romania.

Which was a smart thing to say because

they knew that the Germans were planning

move against them.

Well, the whole point why the Germans

are so fixated on Romania is because

they use the Romanian oil to

fight the British. But you're the type of person that says that Hitler wants to team up with the British. I have a million dollar question for you. Why didn't Hitler launch an invasion of the British Isles? Ground invasion. Why didn't he do it? Oh, okay. I'll tell you, because Britain is an island.

Wow.

Oh, you wanna invade Britain?

Oh my god, you gotta use the boats.

Oh, Britain has the, they have the world's best submarines.

It is inefficient to go to Britain with ground troops or tanks because it is an island.

Not only that, Britain bombed the share of German for five years straight.

They had the option to launch a ground.

Why did Hitler write in letters to Stalin explaining his reluctance to launch a ground. Why did Hitler write in letters to Stalin explaining his reluctance

to launch a ground invasion, not in terms of British submarines, but in terms of supposed

reluctance among his own officers and military hierarchy, who he claimed claimed in his own words

shared noble blood

lineages with the British

aristocracy

he was literally

just lying

what did you

what did you say again

I was kind of busy

what did you say why? I was kind of busy.

What did you say?

Why was Hitler with like the noble bloodline?

You were busy? What were you fucking doing?

Busy doing what?

Because I'm in my car. I'm driving. What did you say again? I'm in my car. I'm driving.

What did you say again?

I'm in my car driving.

I'm trying to find, like, a parking so I can talk to you.

Yeah, listen, man.

I don't know what to tell you.

You can definitely, like, keep up this worldview forever because a lot of people are not going to like how you're uh

promoted you like hitler and your whatever you're pro nazi and it's you know you i know the backlash is going to just fuel you to believe in it more and more, but I'm just telling you it's going to get you nowhere.

Like nothing will actually come out of it.

I'm just telling you.

No, I agree with you.

No, I agree with you.

It will get me nowhere, but the ideologue will grow.

No, it's the ideology is meaningless. It's not going to produce anything. It's not going to do anything. It's not going to produce... No, it's the ideology is meaningless.

It's not going to produce anything.

It's not going to do anything.

It's just...

You're just going to sit in a corner and talk about, you know...

It's wrong, but you're...

You know, the reason that you're fueled by it because you think you took a red pill that's shattering, you know, the mainstream worldview.

And you just haven't dug deep enough.

And if you dug deep enough, you'd realize who Hitler was financed by and propped up by.

And what the whole...

Oh, he was financed by

Britson. Is that what you're saying? Financed by

America, Britson. Is that what you're saying? Royal Dutch

Shell.

The head of... So he's connected with...

So we financed by Britson and America. The head of...

I believe he had his funeral in Nazi Germany.

Okay, okay, okay.

And tell me this.

Did American Britain want the Germans to win World War II before they interfered?

No, they didn't.

The whole point was for the Germans to steal the gold from Czech Slovakia,

loot all the gold and resources from the Austria-Hungarian Empire,

plus destroyings.

Oh, it has nothing to do with the...

The former Austro-Hungarian Empire, which they couldn't do in World War I,

because they never had

a ground occupation that landed.

Oh, so you're saying

Czechoslovakia is a made up

20-year-old country?

Because it used to be Austria-Hungary, right?

And if he invaded those territories, he's basically

like restoring the German Empire.

So what's wrong with that?

The German Empire denied the national right of self-determinations to various Slavic nations while promoting German nationalism. That's the problem.

Yeah, but Austria-Hungary, there were alliances with Germany, right, with the German Empire. that's the problem yeah but

austral hungry

there were alliances with germany right

with the german empire austria hungary was not

the german empire austral hungary was uh

yeah i know it's not the german empire but there were alliances though

there are like alliances

bro what are you taught what is your point like

where's this getting yeah your point your point is when hitler invaded check on

the rocket oh it's evil imperialism they're no different from the brits so they're so

evil like dude this country is fucking made up it's's 20 years old. It's made up.

Like, everything's like subjective.

Okay, so is Germany made up?

Yeah, the ones that dominate and conquer, they're the ones that

get to determine.

Okay, well, Stalin conquers. It is what it is. that um get to get to determine okay well Stalin conquered

it is what it is

Stalin conquered Germany

so Stalin gets to decide

so now what

yeah

and now Germany is a cucked

vassal state

of Jewish power

like what

Ursula von

layer that fucking blonde bitch said

So bow to your Jewish masters

Because they won

What are you complaining about?

You said whoever

Well, I'm not white

You said whoever's strong

You said whoever's strong enough

You know

Gets to determine everything

okay so apparently the Jews want

so go bow to your Jewish masters

why are you yelling at me

no we just got to fight back

like fuck these kikes man

it's so

how how you're gonna fight back by going to kikes, man. It's so... How...

You're gonna fight back by

going on a fucking Twitter space

and

you know,

going on X and fucking talking about it.

And look, man,

you're gonna...

You're gonna real, feel real stupid one gonna, you're gonna,

feel real stupid one day

when you go to into a bagel shop

run by Jews.

Okay,

never mind.

Never mind.

Not my back.

Like,

I don't,

I don't mind.

One day you're gonna go,

you want to go,

you want to go down and just collapses.

One day you're gonna meet,

like,

normal Jews in your life and it's gonna,

you're gonna be like Borat

where you're just like

so tweaked out by them

because like you got your mind

your brain was rotted so much

by this like retarded

trend on X.

You're gonna actually meet

like normal Jews one day and it's gonna like you're gonna start tweaking. You're going to actually meet normal Jews one day

and it's going to like,

you're going to start tweaking.

You're going to be like,

do you know anything about the Frankis?

And like,

they're going to be so disturbed by you.

And like,

I'll treat them as normal,

but I know deep down, like, they would support Zionism. But I'll treat them as normal, but I know deep down, like they would support Zionism, but I'll treat them like a normal person.

Like, that's how it is.

Yeah, I mean, but you're, you're mixing on two different things.

It's like, first you said it's not all about Zionism.

Now you're saying, oh, it's just because of Zionism.

It's like, what's wrong with a normal Jewish person who is anti-Zionist?

What's your issue with them?

Because I think they're most likely like anti-China.

If the anti-Zionist

Jew had to decide to go against

America and China, they would

decide with America. What if they're pro-China

and anti-Zionist

and Jewish? What's your issue with them?

I'll tell them what do you think about

World War II.

What a stupid fucking thing, man.

You're like, you've got a whole

checklist. You got a whole

checklist to make

it impossible for

it's just kind of stupid man i'm sorry

right how do i say this i think here's another thing i want to express because i think

you're probably going to disagree with me on this i feel like this whole, like, argument of

oh, communism is bad, communism's good.

Nazis are bad. Notches are good.

It becomes pointless because like, I'm

starting to see this traction of like

rather you're communist or

a national socialist.

Bro, you're laughing. You're laughing. There's no a communist or a national socialist bro it doesn't matter

you have to come up you're longing

there's no it's you

okay I'm trying to explain it to you

all right

you're saying as national

so it was literally a scam

from the top down

by these industrialists and bankers

to trick stupid people.

And after they lost and failed,

it's like there's dumb people today who are like,

oh, actually, this is interesting.

It's like, put it this way. Like, you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of like, oh, actually, this is interesting. It's like, put it this

way. Like, you know what it reminds me of?

It reminds me of, like, let's

say there was like

a robot that was

meant to like

feed cattle or something, right?

And it like psychologically,

and then like it got abandoned and it's rusted

and it's like hundreds of years later,

the cattle are still congregating in front of it.

Like, oh my God, this is, bro, it's, it literally

wasn't even meant for you it was meant for like to trick stupid

people in the 30s and it's gone and people are picking it up now just because it's an overcorrection

because

you know

in America in Hollywood

and in high school and

in or not just high school and in the primary

education system and in

liberal, quote unquote liberal democracies

they do you know, pretend that, you know, in their own minds that they consider like Hitler the absolute incarnation of metaphysical evil.

And people like, he is, like, the ultimate thematic villain of liberalism.

So, like, when liberalism is breaking down and collapsing,

people are like, oh, the villain's the good guy.

And what you're doing is, like, you villain's the good guy. And what you're doing is like you're playing a video game

and you're starting to get tired of the game

and you realize it's bullshit.

So you're like, I actually, I like the villain in this game.

But what you don't realize is you're still playing the game.

When you're a communist, you're a Marxist, you're not identifying with the villain.

You're identifying with the glitch in the game itself that can't even be described because it's a literal glitch that breaks the game.

The game is broken.

You don't have to identify

with the history channels,

you know,

was Hitler an alien?

And then you're like,

yeah,

Bush,

Hitler was this a Garthian alien?

It's like,

bro,

you don't have to,

you don't have to you don't have to keep playing this stupid game. The game of liberalism is dead. You don't have to identify

with the villain. You can actually do what Marxism does and say

there's a glitch in this game.

It doesn't even work because that's what we say.

I'll tell you this.

I don't identify with like ists or isms.

My political views are formed by getting under the enemy's skin.

Like if I see my compay or like

I could see that very clearly. You know what? I could

see very clearly. Yeah, that's the whole point. That your

whole point. Yeah. You just want to troll and piss people off.

Like I get that. It's not trolling.

It's not trolling. It's not trolling. It's absolutely trolling. It is. It's absolutely trolling.

If you didn't find this...

Okay.

If you didn't find this shit funny, you wouldn't do it.

If you did not find it funny, you would not do it.

Yes or no?

It's not funny to me.

It's more shocking.

It's absolutely something...

It's more shocking. It's absolutely something. It's absolutely something that you find hilarious and you do it because it triggers people.

That's the only reason.

There's no actual serious dimension of sincere belief here.

No, it is sincere. Like I've told you,

I've read, like, Hillary Speacher. It's fucking ridiculous. It's absolutely

not sincere. It's fucking ridiculous, all right?

At most, the reason I look stupid, I guess,

is because I take shit seriously.

I'm a serious guy.

And I guess everything's supposed to be a joke.

But I do have a serious.

I do, when, because look, when the going gets tough, the communists, my people are going to be the actual ones that step up to the to the plate and all this other nonsense

it's not gonna it's it's nothing but

a fucking joke it's a troll

that's all it is

you know we we're actually

I went to Nasrallah's funeral

we're actually serious about our anti-Zionism.

It's not a joke to us.

It's not just...

And yeah, we have to have a boring, serious position.

But at the end of the day, you can keep triggering people and whatever and trolling and all this shit.

And, you know in getting under their skin

but like you got some people

are more interested in results

yeah I mean to me I feel like

I feel like ideology pretends to matter because I'll give an example like look at China right when China is doing good right I think you already said this like 15 times 20 times China is doing good oh they're a capitalist country yeah but they still hate still hate China. So it doesn't matter of China's capitalists or communist or socialist.

China will be hated no matter what because they're not cucks to Jews or Anglo-Saxons.

They're just not cucks to them, bro.

So, like, isn'ts don't really matter to me.

It's more so having a political view that's actually gets under under mike pompeo skin you know jewish power skin Alex carp skin you know CEO of Poundtier it's about getting under their skin

like if you told

Alex Carp

hey Alex

carp

China is good

and the

Holocaust is fake

you're an evil

Jew

how would Alex

carp feel

he would want

you

he would want to

kill you

you know

bro you know

listen man you know listen man you know you if your whole world view is getting under people's skin

where's your solutions you don't have solutions you're basically just yeah i do well i don't have solutions

because i'm just a normal guy,

but...

If the majority of the American population

agrees that,

hey, these Jews are, like,

evil and Israel should

fuck off, then I

think America would be even more fixed

because we wouldn't be spending money on...

Oh, there's a lot of talk about, too.

I can talk about Ukraine, too, because I mean,

I know you have this thing about...

The sad thing is, man, is that

you know

there's a lot of Jews in this

country that have been here for a while

and

you know if you know how much

the Zionists spend to brainwash

them it's pretty crazy so why do Zionists spend to brainwash them, it's pretty crazy.

So why do Zionists have to spend

so money, so much money

brainwashing Jewish people into supporting

them if this is all

just Jewish self-interest?

At the end of the day,

you're going to start out this way because you see Jewish people as Alex Karp.

You see them as the powerful ones.

And, yeah, there's a lot of Jews among the powerful.

I'm not denying that.

But at the end of the day, majority of Jews are not in power, right?

Yeah, but the political views, they resignism.

I would say majority.

Yeah, majority are Zionists.

That's true.

But at the same time, majority are also brainwashed.

Majority of Americans are Zionists.

Okay, majority of evangelicals are Zionists.

Anyway, let's continue.

Let me continue.

At the end of the day,

this is how it starts.

First, it's going to be Jews,

because you're making about race.

First, it's going to be Jews, right?

Then there's going to be more racial shit.

It's going to keep going.

And then, you know, soon enough, you know, what do you have?

You have a population that's not united.

You have a country.

You have a working class that's

not united. And what happens

when the people are divided by race?

Yeah, chaos.

And whites complain about getting replaced. No no what happens when the people are not united is that the people in power

get to do whatever the fuck they want because how do you challenge them if you have if you're not unifying the people against them

that's why there's memes of like,

oh, you stupid goryam!

You Christians and Muslims must kill each other.

That's why there's those memes.

I understand what you're saying.

No, it's more than that.

It's more than that because, you know,

it's... you know in reality you know

majority of Jews in America

are just normal people

that's just the truth

majority

majority are just normal people.

Yeah, I know

they're normal people. Like, I know if I

walk on a sidewalk and I see a Jew,

I'd be like, oh, this guy probably supports Zionism,

but I'm not going to treat him like shit

or look down. I'm like, oh, this guy probably

like... Most Americans support Zionism.

And 25% of the Jewish youth in America are anti-Zionist.

Yeah, but if they go to, like, a war with America versus China, they would choose America.

So, like, what's the point? A lot of people would.

A lot of people would.

Yeah, it is what it is. Like we're just brainwashed.

This, this has gone on

very long, but I recommend

read some books, man.

Get out of this brain rod

shit you're in. It's not going to get you

anywhere. I mean, if you want to keep

trolling, what can I say? I'm going to bring on one

more person, trencher, but we've got to make it quick.

Go ahead, trencher go ahead trencher go ahead trencher Go ahead, Trensruh. Shit. Yo, am I actually on?

Yeah.

Oh, shit. What's up?

Um, so originally I actually,

yo, I didn't even think I'd get picked.

Yo, okay, okay. Well, first of all, thank you for letting me on.

I was introduced to you by my friend Devin.

He's a big fan of you.

So shout out to him.

I originally had some notes here to...

Yo, real quick, only one question.

Okay, okay, okay.

So basically,

I guess the crux of my question is going to be something that you've heard a lot,

but like, why, I find Marxism to have a lot of good critiques of

capitalist society, imperialism, just human nature in general, and like the interactions between

materialists, uh, whatever's. But the thing is, whenever it's been implemented in practice, it's like never

worked. And it just seems like for all the critiquing and really good

critiquing, Marxists do. They can't actually seem to build a workable system without changing it into

something that's not communist at all.

So I was just wondering, like,

how can you square that away with,

how can you square the historical failures

of communism with all the

theoretical goodness of it?

I don't know, buddy.

You're the expert on communism, apparently.

You know what the definition is more than the actual, you know, party with 100 million people

in it.

You're the expert.

You know what the true communism is, and You're the expert. You know what the true communism

is and you're

the authority on how the word is defined.

Not the party

with a hundred million people in it.

Well, yeah,

that's what I'm saying, though.

It's like, are you referencing

China with that? Right.

I don't know why you're being so sarcastic out the gate.

Like, I'm just coming here in good faith

asking a perfectly normal question.

Nah, it's kind of a fucking stupid question. Not's kind of a

fucking stupid question. Not going to lie.

It's pretty fucking stupid.

Then why can't

you answer it in good faith? I mean, like,

okay, so 100 million people,

it's communist, the same way

North Korea is a Democratic people's

Republic. It is.

Hold on, it is.

Capitalism, like, just state

directed capitalism, like,

on a level that would make the U.S.

blush. Like, what's the

what's the deep, meaningful

like, I think you

think, you know, look, we're not using

words with the same meaning. For you, communism

is like some hippie bullshit.

And for me,

communism is what Marx describes.

You know, so it's like, what can we say?

Well, communism is the abolition of private property and fucking collectivization of,

of, um, like everything, right? Isn't that what it is?

Who said that?

Marx-Lennon.

Where?

I don't have the shit in front of me, but they come...

Okay, are you saying they didn't collectivize everything?

You're saying they were totally cool with private property.

I'm absolutely saying that they absolutely did not.

They're totally cool with private property. Okay, I guess if Marxism's okay with private property, we have we have no argument. Do you know what private property is?

Yeah, it's like given it's the state social contract allotting you the right to own property.

But if it's the state who grants you the right, doesn't that mean it's not private?

Well, because without that, you're just in a Hobbesian state of nature where all you have is all you can

defend so like you can't really uh you can't really like i mean yeah then then it's just anarchy

then it's just uh there's no structure so unless the state owns everything it's all anarchy

not unless the state owns everything, it's all anarchy. Not unless the state owns everything, as long as the state has jurisdiction.

Communism is the state owning everything.

I mean, they say state was classless.

You said capitalism is when the state owns everything, but it just, you said that capitalism is for tomorrow. You said that capitalism is when the state owns everything but it just for tomorrow you said that capitalism is when the state owns everything and that it just gives people the right to use stuff for

not stateism stateism is when the state has jurisdiction can you use the can you do the cow thing? Because that's really,

you sound like a high schooler who's doing it.

You have two cows and

statism is when there's five cows

and fascism is when

you fuck the cows and communism is

when you have the two cows and the capitalism

is where you sell the cow.

When did I say anything about fucking cows?

Why were you being so much more terrible

to the Jewish than to me?

I asked you a perfectly normal question

and you're like living out.

When the cows are being fucked.

What are you talking about, buddy? What are you talking about? I was getting fucked. What are you talking about, brodie?

What are you talking about?

I was getting fucked.

I asked you like the most normal

communism debate question ever.

And you're out here talking about cow.

You asked me some fucking high school.

I thought you were the intellectual

heavy way to the left.

Social sciences.

Uno questions. You should be able to answer it, bro. You should be able to answer it. I thought you were the intellectual heavy weight of the left. High school social sciences,

Uno questions. You should be able to answer it, bro.

You should be able to answer it with ease and you should be able to do it calm without getting triggered.

I ask you so calmly

and so politely. No, your questions

are loaded with like so many assumptions.

Okay, well, I'm just...

The only thing I was asking was...

You're like, so that...

So you're...

It's like, I'll answer...

I'll answer something calmly.

...alivising policies, it always fails.

Are you saying that... You're saying that communism, uh, doesn't mean, you know,

so do communists not, uh, force everyone to eat shit? Uh, no. So you're okay So, communism is okay with

the slavery? Like, what are you talking about?

It's like there's no connection.

Okay, when Lenin, Lenin literally had to roll back his own

fucking communist policies with the new economic policy

because it was fucking up so much. Like there's plenty of evidence

for actual collectivizing policies

like fucking up.

Like that's like the entire historical record.

War communist,

I have to...

War communism was a war policy of just taking rain directly from peasants just taking it

uh requisitioning but war did this too lot guys were communism? But war communism didn't

institutionalize

cooperative forms

of agriculture.

It just kind of

requisition grain

and centralized it

and distributed it

on that basis.

So it didn't really

reorganize things. It was a very immediate crude thing and it,

it was not the ideal for the construction of socialism. It was very much like a

utilitarian policy they had for the immediate war kind.

It wasn't ideologically based.

War time conditions, that was the only way they could feed the army in the cities.

That's fair.

But then would you classify deculacization underneath that

as well which happened

later yeah that happened in 28

yeah

but that was well that was long after

the Civil War

that was after the MEP as well

that was the deliberate policy of collectivization. Right.

So that, that, I mean, okay, the, so your point was valid for the, the collectiveization.

But what I'm saying is there's a clear pattern.

The collectivization of, I didn't collectivize, they fuck everything up. Everyone starves and then they roll it back.

Okay, but that's just not what happened.

That's just not what happened.

So what happened with deculacization in the Hall of Dormor?

I'm sure you'll mock that too.

Yeah, I am going to mock it because it's fucking stupid.

Yeah, so you're just the Nazi painted red, bro.

That's what you are.

So cancel me, bitch.

Cancel me.

Call me a name.

I don't give a fuck.

A lot of more is the most made up shit a lot of time.

I don't know what you believe.

I just don't like the faux moral superiority.

Like the false moral superiority. When have i ever feigned moral superiority

about anything hey uh all the time no let's not get into ad hominem this is turning into like a destiny

to be listen the holodomor is completely fake totally fake it was made up by Ukrainian

Nazis in the 80s

the term I think was coined and the whole purpose

was to grift off

of the new kind of Holocaust

you know

discourse that was emerging in around the 80s as well.

So they said, oh, you Jews have Holocaust.

We Ukrainians had Holodomar!

So they literally, like, were grifting.

And... So they literally, like, were grifting and made it that name because it sounds like Holocaust.

And it's totally, Holodomor, it's totally fake.

I mean, there was a famine in 32-33.

There were famines for centuries and centuries in Russia.

No one gave a fuck.

This famine corresponded to a really nasty drought.

And as well as the fact that it was such a sudden modernization of agriculture that they had to accomplish and a sudden reorganization. Of course it was going to lead to some kind of systemic mistakes and errors in the short term that had a very tragic human toll.

I don't deny that.

But they were pressed for time. Ideally, collectivization should have taken 20, 30 years, ideally, but they didn't have that time.

They had 10 years.

Why did they only have 10 years?

Because 10 years later, Nazi Germany invades.

So Stalin had some sort of psychic foresight to know that he only had 10 years.

He knew they were present.

He absolutely, he absolutely knew.

Well, he said 10 years in 31.

He said that in his speech.

He said, we have 10 years.

If we don't catch up, they're going to bury us.

So that's what he said. I don't know if he was a oracle.

What was he basing that on? Because he didn't know Hitler was going to... He was basing it on the fact that

in the civil war, the entire capitalist world invaded.

And he expected that, because of intelligence reports and many other things,

that they were planning on coming back.

And they were.

They absolutely were.

If you look at the history,

the Morgans and Rock, they were putting, pulling out maps of the Soviet Union and they were

already trying to carve up spheres of interest to say, this is what we're going to take. We're going to take this. We're going to take that.

Okay, but everyone does that all the time.

They were strategizing plans for the destruction of the Soviet government.

I mean, of course they were, they were like preaching world revolution and like over...

Okay, okay, but anyway, in any case,

they would have a vested interest in any case,

they were pressed for time, they had to industrialize and

have an output of steel production and create

tanks and weapons and factories, and they were pressed for time.

So that's the truth.

I mean, the truth is that the whole capitalist world did not invade the Soviet Union.

They funded the whites, which, I mean, it's true.

They did fund the enemies of the Soviet Union they absolutely they weren't like

going into

their seven nation

army style

like a

all right

like a fucking

and with that

with that

I think you just need

to do more

research before you talk

to me

because I'm

look it's 2 a.m.

I said you have one quick question.

You're now telling me that they didn't invade, even though they did.

You just don't know history.

I don't want to embarrass you and just show you that there was an invasion of the new Revolutionary Republic.

It wasn't just funding the whites.

They did do a ground invasion.

Even America did.

I was the Japanese, the French, the British.

Later, even the Germans started getting involved.

The Czechs got involved, Czech legions.

Yeah, they were all in there.

Read history.

Anyway, what can we say?

Okay, guys.

This kind of guy was a nerd.

I don't like, I have no patience. It's just like, I don't like policy.

I can tell there's a student who is a big into policy. I don't like it. I don't like this vibe. Also, talking very fast and stuff. I'm patient, old man.

I don't like this talking very fast shit.

I'm a patient old man.

Why are you in a rush?

Why are you in a rush? Why are you in a rush?

You will realize life is very long compared to what you think.

And then you will get tired and you will start to speak slowly like me.

Great wisdom.

Great wisdom, by the way.

Okay, guys, I have to go.

I will go now Bye-bye

Great

Uh

Space

Let's

Let's end the space

Okay Uh What space. Let's let's end the space,

okay.

What a wonderful space,

guys.

What a

wonderful.

I'm not

doing these

every week,

by the way.

I'm doing

these when I

feel like it.

And I

felt like it

tonight.

Anyway,

guys, I will see you Sunday. Bye-bye. See you all Sunday. Bye-bye.