Elon Musk's Twitter Revolution

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shut the fuck up about early streams

it's just it's pissing I didn't even I

wasn't even gonna fucking go live

tonight

and then I said you know what

I have been skipping so many days it's

better than nothing isn't it isn't it

better than nothing that I'm fucking

live

cause I spent all fucking day

working on bullshit

at a really fucking long you guys know

I'm still moving I don't even have a

fucking table to eat on yet and I'm

still fucking moving it's like I have no

time I don't even get I don't get to

relax

I'm just fucking moving all the fucking

time okay the difference is now it's a

guarantee that I can stream every day

now when can I start doing earlier

streams I'm gonna try tomorrow I don't

know okay I don't fucking know

but you would once if it's better than

nothing you guys is it better than

nothing right I could have just not gone

live today

which I was thinking about and I said no

it's better than nothing right

anyway we're gonna have a chill stream

today it's not gonna be too crazy we're

just gonna have a chill stream today and

I'm gonna talk about a few things okay I

don't know how long it's gonna be either

but I just it's better than nothing

right new slogan I'm just kidding guys I

don't know when I'm gonna be able to

fully get back on my grind set and when

I say my full grind set I mean like my

full workload I mean recording videos

editing videos

um I'm just I'm gonna be fully

transparent with you guys

I'm gonna have to be focused on

streaming for a long it's it's a weird

predicament but it's like

I need at least one day I can take off

to record a video because I need to grow

the YouTube channel

so I'm gonna need to at least take one

day off to do that probably sometime

next week but like I'm so behind right

in terms of streaming

that you know I I really I'm just I have

a desperate need

to fucking stream every single day and

guys trust me okay nobody wants to

stream earlier more than me but today

I let me put it this way guys I'm a very

efficient person when it comes to like

managing my time

look I'm working with people

you know and they're just they don't

they don't have no perception of time at

all and they just they they know how to

waste time better than anyone right

I just happen to know a lot of fucking

people who are just experts at fucking

wasting time and then before I fucking

know it it's like 9 30 and I'm like shit

I have to stream and then I eat because

believe it or not I wake up and I focus

on this place I'm moving into all

fucking day

and then I fucking eat at like 9 45 and

then I just fucking go live I'm not

showered I haven't even gone to the gym

and it's a vicious cycle that I'm waking

up so fucking late because I'm so

stressed about streaming as early as I

fucking can and if you can fucking

believe it this is the earliest I could

stream today right

that I have to skip the gym and then

after the stream is over when it's like

2 A.M I go to the fucking gym

what do you know right I get back like

an hour or two later

and and then I that's when I actually

get the business done that I had no time

to when it comes to fucking catching up

on reading and catching up on some

writing stuff and catch even catching up

on news and catching on so it's like

it's such a fucked up schedule I have

right now

and yeah this stream is gonna like I'm

gonna unlist this one after I'm just

streaming this for you guys right this

is not like a video I'm making it's just

a fucking I'm do I'm I'm putting up a

show tonight I'm gonna have a stream

tonight

okay but yeah a lot of people just

fucking have no respect for my fucking

time and yeah it's fuck yeah I know I

know it's I know how fucking late it is

all right I know how fucking late it is

um fuck man I'm just I'm just fucking

pissed I'm really just fucking pissed

and you can believe it

okay then then all these problems I just

listed to you

and then I have health problems

and I have health problems and I'm I'm

still trying to maintain faith in God

that's all I'm trying to do

still just trying to maintain faith in

God

okay

because I you know it's a lot of

bullshit I'm going through a lot of

fucking just fucking bad luck right but

it's okay I'm trying to keep calm trying

to maintain faith in God whatever right

but uh I really am looking forward to

the day where people leave me the fuck

alone

right

and I can get back to focusing on what I

care about which is the streams that's

all I fucking care about this is all I

fucking care about is infrared I don't

give a fuck about anything else a Muriel

holy fuck thank you man thank you thank

you man thank you so much holy shit

yeah

is the health problem a no it's a health

problem not a fucking cosmetic problem

it's a health problem okay

like today for example

this side nothing serious there's a

there's a kind of serious thing I have

to get surgery for

uh and I'm probably gonna do that in

December I just I just want to make sure

it's not going to interfere with my

streaming so there's that that I have to

deal with

but I woke up today holy fuck Emilio

thank you shout out to Muriel man thank

you so much man there's that issue right

but then there's also this other issue I

have to deal with

today a short term issue like for

example

no it's not related to my fucking hair

in any capacity shut are you just trying

to insult me and say oh how's your hair

looks bad today I know bitch I didn't

fucking stream

I mean I didn't shower today I didn't

shower because I wanted to stream as

early as I fucking could for you guys

okay

don't bitch about my hair not looking

the best

because I didn't even shower this is

literally my fucking this isn't even my

bed hair after last night's stream I

went to the fucking gym

okay

I didn't sweat too much

so I just I didn't have time to shower I

just went to bed it was like 6 a.m or

some shit I woke up as soon as I fucking

woke up got off off my fucking ass went

to a doctor's appointment and I went to

go get some

fucking Furniture I went and got some

locking furniture

here we are and it takes that fucking

long

takes that fucking line I just if it's

if I could be the dictator of everything

I everything could be everything can go

by so fast right

but it's like shit was severely

handicapped today if you could believe

it I was severely handicapped just by

the fact that my fucking lower back was

killing me

like I thought I had kidney failure or

some shit because it's like right next

to my kidney so my lower back is

absolutely killing me it's just like

horrific

and that like slowed me down like two

times modifier slowed down right I

haven't been able to fucking you have to

shower

I know it's disgusting isn't it this is

literally what I'm doing to fucking save

time for you guys thank you so much

voidberg

um I'm gonna shower tonight obviously

I'm gonna go to the gym after I stream

thank you so much voidburn holy fuck

thank you man I'm gonna go to the shop

I'm gonna fucking um

go to the gym after I stream

and then I'm gonna shower after that and

then I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and then

I'm just fucking streaming I don't know

what I'm gonna I have to I'm gonna do

like this is what I'm gonna do I'm gonna

spend like three to four hours reading

and writing and getting into my groove

back into my grind set because this is a

whole grind set of like Focus right I'm

gonna get back into that and then

I'm gonna be uh streaming

I might even do a fucking oh I don't

know when I wake up depends when I wake

up thank you so much Adrian the early

bird gets the worm but the night owl

gets the mouse let's go yeah

I don't know the night streams they're

chill aren't they we still have chill

streams together it's still chill right

still a lot to talk about still a lot to

do

um but yeah like oh guys you don't want

to see my YouTube analytics just all

because of I've been moving it's

literally the only reason

the month of November is the worst month

in infrared's history and it's literally

just because I've been fucking moving

it's been the worst

and it was it's horrific it's horrific

it's horrific and I I just kind of

regret

uh

I could have moved much earlier right I

decided not to this is what I'm paying

for how much do I read today

nothing at all it's like I'm a retard

right now

because of moving

guys look at my eyes I'm I don't have a

good sleep schedule I'm fucked up right

now okay for me

for me

but anyway here I am

do I fucking am

and we have a lot to talk about today

okay first and foremost

Elon fucking musk unbanned me for

fucking Twitter it's been long enough I

don't know you're fucking waiting for

it's starting to piss me off though

just yeah Twitter's becoming great it is

I'm gonna talk about that

but holy fuck dude just fucking unban me

what the fuck at this point it's pissing

me off nobody would have told me that a

month after he fucking acquires Twitter

he's still not unbanning anyone dude are

you gonna like keep your end of the

bargain

are you gonna fucking like

do what you said you were gonna do or

what holy shit

it's been so fucking long

it's like I need to be back on Twitter

at this fucking point and I would have

at this point if I wasn't fucking

waiting for Elon Musk to fucking unban

me I don't know if he's gonna do it

I don't know if he's gonna do it he

won't dude

dude take my data I don't give a fuck

yeah I'll pay for the eight dollars I

would pay twenty dollars a month to be

unbanned because Twitter is like that

helpful right

and it's like I had a and I've been I've

been enjoying my vacation from Twitter

trust me I have but at this point I'm

like no I want to fucking be back on

Twitter now and I'm gonna tell you why

because there's so much retardation

happening among the gorillas that's only

because I'm not on fucking Twitter right

there's all this dumb bullshit that's

happening because I'm not on Twitter

right now it's starting to actually

annoy me and it's like starting to gnaw

at me and annoy the shit out of me thank

you so much crack dude appreciate you

starting to annoy the fuck out of me

like for example there's this guy on

Twitter who's a lysenko

um fan

uh he

uh he like postures as the lysenko

scholar Ezra was telling me about this

but he was telling us about this and I

looked at the interaction and this is

what happened I talked about how oh yeah

it's totally just genetics that like 30

percent of Zoomers are LGBT totally

genetics and I was being sarcastic and

then the lysenko guy said that it's I

sounded like a Hitler right for denying

that

um LGBT phenomena is based in genes and

and people were like why is that a

Hitler and he's like because he's

applying lysenchoism to human beings

okay hypothetically right

just hypothetically speaking

let's say I was applying lysengoism to

human beings and by the way of course it

does apply to human beings in some sense

and I want to clarify the sense in which

it does

um

let's say I was doing that though right

how is that worse than applying

mendelian Darwinism to human beings you

fucking idiot you're applying like

genetic determinism to human beings I am

allegedly applying lysenchoism to them

which one is worse in terms of what's

Hitler writes right he's like well you

can't apply biology to human beings dude

if you are explaining the LGBT

phenomenon

in terms of genes you are literally

engaging in biological reductionism so

you are the one who's applying biology

to human beings is this unreasonable he

he's bitching and whining he's like oh

I'm not allowed to critique cause

you can but you're also

you're also not allowed to do it without

a reasonable response you're not allowed

to sound like a retard and get no

pushback from it objectively speaking

what you said was retarded you accuse me

of being a Hitler right first of all

that's not a critique that's are you

accused what I was saying of being

Hitler right it's not a critique it's

just like a meaningless and then you

specify that it sounds Hitler right

because it's the application of biology

to human beings what do you think

genetic determinism is

so I didn't say a damn thing about

lysenko and what I was talking about by

the way he was like well he's implying

that it's environmental factors that are

responsible for the LGBT phenomena

actually no I don't think actually I'm

actually a Marxist I don't actually

think the Paradigm of environmental or

genetic factors

um can explain anything about human

beings because that still Falls within a

reductionist paradigm that's why lysenko

was careful to say hey I'm not trying to

like have a new Eugenics program because

it's a reductionist paradigm the pull

meaning of historical materialism is

that human beings are actively not

consciously but still actively involved

in the determination

of you know

Humanity the world of humanity the world

of meaning right and the sexuality in

particular I mean that's more the domain

of something like psychoanalysis it's

not really I mean biology is not going

to tell you all that much right or if it

is you're gonna have to change your view

of biology

now he did say something retarded which

is that like senko didn't think that his

theories apply to humans

no lysenko very clearly understood that

his theories apply to human beings what

he didn't think should apply to human

beings is the their practical

application lysenko was actively

um

applying His science to plants and

animals or plants in particular in a

certain way he didn't agree he didn't

think that you should apply it to human

beings in any active or practical way

that doesn't mean

he thinks human beings are somehow

exempt from the laws of basic biology

like for example why does someone's face

look the way it does

that's a biological right

historical materialism

by itself is not going to explain things

like hey why does this person Haze have

a beard that connects right instead of

one that doesn't connect

so like you just sound retarded of

course I mean like think about it if

lysenko is describing biological laws of

course those do apply in the explanatory

sense to human beings lysenko rejects

Eugenics which goes beyond explanatory

paradigms but into practical and

interventionists on Twitter thank you so

much Mason

that was the whole point he lysenko was

very clear that he didn't think biology

should be applied to humans

um in any practical sense okay now the

other thing

is that he said you know historical

materialism already explains

human beings in terms of social

phenomena which is true but the thing is

is that the whole point of lysenko's

biological Paradigm was that it renders

compatible

the world of biology with the social

world of historical materialism that's

the whole fucking point

how is Marx's historical materialism

reconcile reconcilable with Biology well

lysenko is the person who provides the

answer I find it really bizarre that

there's someone who's like this huge

lysenko fan claims to be a lysenko

scholar and expert and then goes ahead

and says something so stupid like oh

lysenkoism has no applicability to human

beings

what what

so are human beings not biological

anymore are they just exempt from

biology

right

okay and then there's another thing

which is that

this is also where like I'm kind of what

I'm Not Really Gonna complain too much

but it's like dude

you would never have had the balls to

rep lysenko if it wasn't for me so shut

the fuck up

I'm the fucking one who brought lysenko

back that was me name me one other

fucking person who is repping like senko

and Reviving and defending like senko me

I'm the one who fucking inspired you to

fucking do that okay

so how do we know our place here thank

you so much Mason if I haven't already

thanked you why don't you sit the fuck

down and know your place I'm the one who

fucking brought it back bitch you're

only you only got the confidence to

start taking lysenko seriously because

of the way you were inspired to by the

means of this community which were a

direct result by the way not of me

memeing but of me actively and seriously

defending lysenko as having been correct

that was not a joke it was a serious

thing he accused me of having never read

anything by lysenko

dude not only are you wrong you would

have never entertained the possibility

that lysenko was right about anything

were I not the one who had the fucking

courage to defy what all these

soyantists whatever people think and say

yeah lazenko was right I just straight

up said he was right I didn't say some

shit like oh it was the mistake no he

was fucking right

I said that that those were my balls

right

but this is something that's happening

to the infrared Community it seems like

it's like I'm not on Twitter anymore

thank you so much Morlock I hadn't heard

lysenko's name in 25 years until you

brought it back up it was a good idea

thank you so much Chris yeah so okay so

it's something I'm noticing in the

community though it's like people are

just starting to just start it's it's a

not it's a natural and expected thing

it's not necessarily something I'm angry

about

something I'm resentful about but it's

like

a lot of people who hopped on board

infrared are kind of just you know

a lot of those people just are kind of

like ah

I'm Gonna Go My Own Way now and it's

like okay go your own way there's

nothing that's fine I'm not

I have a problem with that but it's like

you don't have to fucking say dumb shit

like Oh I'm a Hitler right and start

having ha's derangement syndrome like

every other fucking disgruntled

ex-community member who's a fucking

loser right is that so unreasonable to

say why does why do why do people just

have to be why can't you just like go do

your own thing I get it you're not as

hyped up anymore I've been moving for

the past fucking month it doesn't seem

like the last seat guys I want you to

put this into perspective

the last big breakthrough was Maga

communism because of that video I did

there's more where that comes from right

it's just that I have been moving after

the Maga communism thing I went to

twitchcon and then I went to Los Angeles

with a UCLA thing also a big Meme and

then I went to New York for the uh the

climate stop climate fascism conference

and then I came back and I was in this

chaotic process of moving moving between

airbnbs and off packing up my shit going

new places fucking whole disaster okay

now I'm here and I'm settled in and

we're we're gonna be back right not

necessarily saying oh take my word for

it I'm just saying

you know

if you really want to go all you know oh

fuck infrared infrared isn't as exciting

as it used to be and then like okay and

then wait and it just wait a few months

and then it's gonna be the dragon is

gonna spread its fucking wings

don't come back bitch you made your

fucking choice right if you can't ride

with infrared at a glow point don't ever

fucking come back and be like oh I was

an OG I was with you for the Missouri

stud Haze no you weren't bitch fuck you

suck my dick you know the same shit

happened

with the uh Russia stuff you know what

on Twitch when I was peaking when I was

averaging 1K views minimum

because of the Russia coverage you know

how many fucking snakes came back to the

community like I was always the fan Haze

no you were not you were a fucking bitch

who fucking you you left and

fucking what do I mean by leave by the

way I just mean like you started

attacking me and you started being bad

faith with me I'm not insane I'm not

saying oh you stopped watching my stuff

you that's obviously normal right we

always

like I'm not entitled to anyone's

attention but I'm saying like you you

like actively started to turn against me

right

in public

and um

you know that's the truth this shit

uh yeah yeah yeah look the thing is I'm

not going anywhere I'm I will never go

anywhere I'm not going anywhere I'm

gonna keep working and I'm Gonna Keep

committing to this shit I just so happen

to be extremely frustrated by the

position that I'm in right now in

particular because I'm still moving shit

in I don't fucking know how long this is

gonna take here's what I'm gonna fucking

do all right

I'm gonna mount my TV upstairs in the

living room

and then I have some furniture that's

still coming in I don't know when that's

fucking coming in man look by Monday

we're fucking done with moving period

I'm gonna get a kitchen table

because I have nowhere to sit and eat

right now gotta get a kitchen table then

I'm gonna mount my TV in my living room

still haven't done that

and then I'm fucking done and then I'm

just fully on back on infrared bully

okay fully back on infrared

but there's so much reading I have to

get caught up on

so much reading I have to get caught up

on and that's the number one you guys

you understand my streams don't come

from nowhere It's a Grind set what I

usually do

is that I wake up this is the

traditional infrared way is that I would

wake up and then I would do a lot of

reading and I would

I would get inspired right

to be to have something to talk about

and then I would share my insights on

stream later and talk about them and

that that has been my grind set for

forever until like recently right

so I'm going to get back on my grind set

I'm I'm actually a lot of people think

ohaz

you only work like two or three hours a

day no

if I work two or three hours a day on

these streams there would be no infrared

Channel I might stream for two or three

hours but the amount that I'm dedicating

to

um

infrared is like the whole it's it's

pretty much the whole fucking day maybe

there's a few hours I have of rest per

day

now what does few hours of rest means

that means I get to just sit and stare

at the wall but here's the thing that's

not even rest because when I'm sitting

and staring against the fucking wall I'm

still like very much in hyper thinking

very very much thinking so I never stop

thinking ever right

so it's a pretty much it's all the only

rest I really get is sleep

and uh that's it

I'm not complaining I like my job I like

what I do I wouldn't I am so grateful I

have the opportunity to do it because I

want to talk about that also it's like

guys if you had not supported me

I would not have had I would not be able

to dedicate any of my fucking time to

the things I actually care about

which is how are we going to revive

Marxism in the 21st century what does it

mean to build a communist movement in

the 21st century yada yada yada this is

what I care about I don't really give a

fuck about anything else if I'm being

very honest right

okay guys now

let's talk about this Twitter business

with Elon Musk because I think that's

the breaking news Well it's not breaking

news but well kind of is actually

so this is tangentially related if you

can believe it by the way if you don't

like the stream you're a pedal but this

is tangentially related

right now if you look on Twitter and I

can't pull up Twitter because on desktop

I'm like banned and I have to log in I

don't want to log in on desktop since

I'm banned because I want to deal with

it

um I'll I'll have a workaround for that

in no time by the way but tangentially

related is the fact that

we

are looking at

we're like 200 000 tweets trending the

number one thing we're trending on

Twitter right now is R.I.P Twitter

Twitter's done Twitter's over now why

are people saying that Twitter's done

and Twitter's over because Elon Musk

sent out this really cool letter that I

want to show you guys to his Twitter

employees

and this is pretty great actually Elon

Musk letter to Twitter employees

I'm gonna show this to you

um this is

no no where's the one that Elon sent

who is Twitter employees

now the Twitter employees are talking

back

here's the ultimatum

where is the ultimatum

dude I hate the New York Times so

fucking much I'm just trying to find the

link to his original ultimatum

and it's like giving me 20 000 links to

other New York Times articles with no

fucking actual link to his ultimatum

fuck the news fuck the you know what

like I'm gonna rant about something

right now okay I'm ranting on some shit

right now so whenever you look at the

news

and you're like I want to find Elon

musk's Twitter ultimatum right they just

quote parts of it throughout the article

but they never fucking link the original

one

where is the original ultimatum where

the fuck is it no I can't find it I have

to sift through this entire fucking

article of some

some

fat ass

giving his fucking uh

commentary and I can't find it right so

I'm looking for it give me a second

okay

in an email

yeah yeah I'm about to fucking

I'm about to fucking

I can't fucking believe this shit I

can't fucking believe this

I hate these fucking journalist pieces

of shit I would spit in their fucking

faces for how they fucking format their

articles

they're such worthless scum I hate

fucking journalists so fucking much they

are such worthless scum

they are such worthless worthless time

wasting pieces of shit

the way I eat so fucking hard for me to

find Elon musk's

email ultimate

to Twitter employees

you know what

it's nowhere to be found

uh mods if you can link it in mod chat

that'd be like really helpful

but I doubt I doubt it I'll be able to

find it

okay no I found it

wow it took so fucking long all right

here we go wow took so long all right

Elon based Musk

said this going forward to build a

breakthrough Twitter 2.0 and succeed in

an increasingly competitive world we

will need to be extremely hardcore this

will mean working long hours at high

intensity only exceptional performance

will constitute a passing grade Twitter

will also be more engineering driven

design and product management was fully

very important but those writing great

code will constitute the majority of our

team at its heart Twitter is a software

and Service Company and this makes sense

if you want to be part of new Twitter

click yes to the link below

so fucking based holy shit hold on first

of all I'm gonna transcribe this this

letter for you he said hey we have a lot

of fucking parasites here at Twitter who

contribute to nothing

so we want the engineers to be in charge

because they're the ones who are

actually dealing with how shit works and

all these this useless fucking people

that we have hired that sit around and

do bullshit and I'll make all these

creative choices get the fuck out of

here bitch we're focusing on the

technology and we're focusing on the

productive forces hell yeah this is

Henry Ford energy

Elon Musk he's what you call he's what

you call a Henry Ford type he's not as

great as Henry Ford was but he's a Henry

Ford type and I want to go on a fucking

rant about this because

I am sickened at the fact that he gave

them a chance dude Elon fucking fire

them all and then get your Tesla people

in instead

I am sick of mediocrity

corporate mediocrity if you're gonna be

someone who's making a product do it

with Excellency

if you're not here to do it with a

listen

look at these Twitter fucking people

they're given a salary you know no no

you know what shut the fuck up you fake

Marxist bitches and you fake left-wing

socialist cucks I'm gonna fucking

explain this to your retarded dumb

fucking ass because a lot of people seem

to not understand the difference between

being a wage worker and being a salaried

parasite so I'm gonna fucking explain it

to you

when you're a wage worker you're just a

citizen and you're going from work place

to work place of course

your employers shouldn't be allowed to

demand of you all of this shit because

it's like hey I'm just a guy who's

working here you know you give me a task

and then I get a wage in return that's

it right that's wage labor that Marxism

is concerned with but that does not

imply to Twitter employees every single

one of these corporations is like a mini

socialist society

I'm not saying that in a good way by the

way I'm saying there is overwhelmed with

useless bureaucracy and you are not just

hired as an employee who's paid on the

basis of your like hourly wages you get

a fixed salary

and a host of benefits you get medical

coverage you get shit taken care of for

you sometimes they even provide lodging

for you it's like a whole campus that

you get you get access to this whole

campus a community I mean they really

cushion you and take you in and it's

almost like feudalism you like you

become part of the kingdom and like

that's your home turf so it's not you're

not some fucking proletarian who's being

abused right now because they're

expecting more of you you're not some

fucking proletarian you are a fucking

coddled salaried parasite who is given

all of these benefits you are part of a

cult if you're going to be part of

Twitter

then yes

you should be dedicated to making it the

best that it could possibly fucking be

and if you don't fucking want that why

don't you go work at Wendy's like the

rest of us go fucking work at McDonald's

like the rest of us you bitch fuck you

and suck my dick if you fucking think

these Twitter people are proletarian

workers they're not they're privileged

people the only fucking reason they

don't have to fucking work in factories

and they don't have to fucking work at

Wendy's like the rest of us when I say I

mean I'm a streamer whatever like you

guys the only reason Twitter employees

get to go to that fucking Twitter HQ and

have access to that all you can eat

buffet and have all these privileges

unlike you guys is because they're

supposed to be working on code they have

expertise you don't have because they're

educated all Elon Musk is doing is he's

trimming the fact he's cutting the fact

what about this does it make sense

right in China watch watch I I implore

you

look at the work ethic they have over in

China look at the type of Excellency

they promote at their fucking workplaces

in China then you'll fucking understand

where I'm coming from guys I have enough

experience to know

I have enough experience to know

you think shit in this world just works

a lot of retards have this mentality

Elon Musk you're not special Elon Musk

listen

you have no fucking idea how much shit

doesn't work and how much shit is broken

and how fucking lazy people are just

because of a lack of willpower it would

shock you if you fucking knew how much

willpower just the fucking ability to

like have a coherent vision and just be

like all right this is how we order it

this is how we do it here here and here

simplify everything I mean it no it's

always that simple a lot of people mock

Elon Musk because they're like

or Trump it's the same phenomena they

either mock Elon Musk or Trump like oh

you don't have expertise you're you have

such a baby brain you're simplifying the

problem no it is actually that simple

but these parasites over complicated

because they make excuses and they're

lazy all they do is produce excuses and

they're fucking lazy thank you so much

employment status of the urbanoid pmcs

they're fucking lazy and they just make

excuses all fucking day and that's it

and it the it's literally just like it's

so simple to solve the problem

but then these people sit around and

they make a bunch of fucking excuses

because they're lazy and because they're

incompetent because they lack will

there's a bunch of fucking couch

potatoes

I'm saying that as someone who has a

Mediterranean work ethic

even for my own work I still understand

you have to fucking have a coherent

vision of what you're fucking doing I'm

gonna make a bet

maybe in the short term Twitter's gonna

face problems because hundreds of people

resigned including people who I think

are necessary to for now thank you so

much Johnny

leftists say that us is a streamer I

promise you that Oz hustles way more

than Twitter employees or Starbucks

Baristas

I mean

thank you so much Johnny I mean uh

yeah I guess yeah I mean like in terms

of like how much of my day do I focus do

I use to focus

on

the work

on my work I mean yes obviously but

that's not necessarily makes me better

than them it's just like

that's because they have a shitty job

they don't care about and I don't blame

them for not caring about it but

it's like look a Starbucks barista

that's kind of a meme we don't actually

hate Baristas we just hate people who

are trying to use them as a model for

the proletarian worker

but I actually do hate the professional

managerial class you know I actually

these are these glasses wearing fucking

uh people at Twitter and shit these

people censored me they banned me these

fucking people censor us they ban us

they're responsible for all these

fucking corporate decisions to cultural

poison and evil and Corruption I do

fucking hate these people

and Elon Musk said we're just gonna have

it focus on engineering Engineers

engineering meat and potatoes focus on

the meat and potatoes trim all the

fucking fat I fucking agree

sick of these fucking parasites

are they um it's a home for so many of

you see look I'm gonna tell you this

Twitter is such

dude let me let me put it this way right

Twitter spaces you can't even use them

on desktop yet there's so much shit to

relax it's the way Twitter works it's so

in guys I'm gonna go on a grant as a

gamer right now I'm a fucking gamer okay

I noticed this around like 2016 and

Beyond the game company Microsoft they

adopted this kind of woke management

Paradigm of like oh we love our

employees oh the glass and it's all such

a nice lovely environment bring back

crunch bring back crunch bring back

crunch what is this shit

it takes them look look at look I'm a

Halo fan I play Halo these lazy fucks at

three four three it takes them three

years to do anything

if you're a gamer you will understand

this I'm not a gamer anymore but I was

one and I understand this shit takes

them like years to do anything now

fucking Halo 3 was made in someone's

garage or some shit and they just did it

because they fucking had the fucking

work ethic and they cared about doing it

now you look at fucking video games

today they all suck I wish I could still

you guys you guys think I'm not a gamer

anymore but for any moral reason

yeah gaming is gyno it is soy but I want

to be a hypocrite and I want to have

some fun playing video games I can't

because there are no good games there

are no good games

the way they used to make games back in

the day they put effort into that shit

now

they're like 343 is like oh my God guys

we just added the warthog to Halo you

know the thing we had in Halo 1 They

just added it where after fucking five

years they added it thank you so much

343 for your hard work this is I'm gonna

tell you I'm going to tell you the sick

truth of Silicon Valley okay

I'm gonna tell you the sick truth of

Silicon Valley these fucking nerds sit

around in their comfy offices and

there's nice bean bag chairs and there's

like all you can eat buffet and there's

video games and there's TV and Netflix

and there's yoga and they're doing all

this shit and they just sit around and

they barely work they barely do anything

and then when they're like all right

guys let's add this hey Michael can you

please add this to the game you got it

three weeks later hey Michael can you

please add that feature to Twitter I

told you to you got it and then and then

four weeks later hey did you add that

thing I told you to oh yeah like I'm

working on it and these fucking bro I'm

so sick of this shit like these gyno

nerds wake out of bed in their fucking

pajamas wearing glasses they have no

work ethic or willpower and there's like

oh I'll do it later oh and they're just

dude there's a if you understand what

I'm talking about you understand right

it's low T

do not yeah it's an adult day care don't

fucking compare these people to workers

it's so insulting to actual workers to

say that these people are workers

they're not fucking workers they are not

workers okay they are not fucking

workers these are the most lazy

incompetent fucks

in America and they are actual parasites

these are not fucking workers okay stop

fucking people like Twitter workers said

unionized against Elon dude you don't

know what you're talking about you sound

like a retard shut the fuck up there is

nothing problem I am more of a

proletarian than these fucking people

all right me who gets donations on

stream I am more of a proletarian than

them

okay because at the very least I don't

have a fucking Co I don't have a company

that just takes care of me and wipes my

ass for me I still have to get my own

health insurance and I still have to go

get my own shit I have to fucking you

know they don't subsidize my TR uh my

any commutes on my part they don't give

me any housing they don't fucking give

me any food I don't have access to a

fucking uh all-you-can-eat buffet

look I just have the money you guys give

me and nothing else that's it I don't

have benefits so I'm more of a fucking

worker than these fucking Silicon Valley

workers are employees at Twitter shut

the fuck up and stop comparing them to

workers it's fucking stupid

okay

and yes

the decline of manhood and the decline

of willpower this

woke culture has made people both lazy

and competent and retarded and I'm

talking about the educated classes they

have no grit they have no ambition

they're so fucking lazy it's disgusting

okay and there's nothing more

pro-working class than someone going to

Twitter and just like making everyone

work 72-hour days thank you the exact

same thing at the exact same time but

lips don't bat an eye thank you so much

humbled like yeah I do think thank you

Janna

I'll take some paid leave oh wait thank

you Jan I appreciate you man

look

I actually do things thank you so much

Jennifer no one seemed to care when

Steve Jobs asked his workers for the

impossible but someone Elon is asking

for yeah you guys noticed that when

Steve Jobs did it oh he's a creative

genius and he's a but now Elon is like

no yeah you know what I mean what

happened

you know our society became more

socialist sure I believe that by the way

Steve Jobs didn't have workers thank you

so much Jennifer he didn't have workers

the workers were in Foxconn making is

the fucking iPhones and shit those

people designing Apple listen

okay Haas is I'm not I dream a lot and I

joke a lot so just want to be very clear

I'm not joking right now here's what I

if you work at Twitter this is what I

think your working condition should be

sleep on the floor

and you only sleep for like six hours

maximum sleep on the floor

16 hour work day

every fucking second of your day should

be to make Twitter the best most

competitive Cutting Edge fucking clean

simple and efficient platform only

Engineers artists first of all know

no artists who wear glasses

actually this is what should happen it

should be like a home inspection

any one of these artists

who like have

um

like they're like these like wholesome

what do I call it

what is that art style that

I'm trying to find it give me a second

I'm gonna try to find it

what is this shit called

it's called Algeria

Algeria Style

cartoon corporate Style

okay here's what it's called

anyone who like you you like this

I hate it so much oh my God

I hate it this is them

this is literally them

these are the people

who fucking work at Twitter

and I'm not kidding

this is them

ah

bend them all please fire all of them

I'm sick of being ruled by these people

I'm sick of it I'm sick of these gifted

fucking people who work at the fucking

New York Times and fucking work at

Twitter and fucking work at Facebook and

spend all their fucking time these

narcissistic fucks who write think

pieces about how their fucking vagina

smells and it's empowering I'm sick of

these fucking people and the men are the

worst obviously but even the women I

hate them I hate it so much

what are we gonna do about this Elon

what are you doing dude fire all of this

fire everything

I cannot fucking believe this shit

I thought I was tripping and then I saw

the exact I thought I was tripping and

then I'm like this is what they are This

Is How They see themselves oh I missed

the Twitter code everybody fuck you I

hate you I fucking hate you so much

bitch you fucking Banned Me

gulag

Stalin barrier gulag

okay Stalin boria Gulag this is the

class enemy

this is the class enemy get your fucking

hand off your head you dumb bitch you're

not a fucking creative anything you're

not creative you're not a fucking

intellectual you're not a fucking gifted

individual you should be working in a

fucking breadline fucking packaging shit

Refugee fertilizer

there's nothing special about you you

fucking mediocre bitch you make it all

about you you made an entire portrait

so this is life

thousands of years of civilization for

this

this is the good life that Plato talked

about this is the good life

this is a virtuous life

this is what human beings exist to be

oh no

this is what we live for

I'm sorry I just gave me this triggered

something in me

but these entitled fucks are bitching

about Elon Musk saying that Twitter's

gonna be destroyed because we're gone no

bitch

Twitter might go down for a week I don't

know because I don't know what's going

on

because everyone resigned you're

replaceable you're replaceable and then

you're gonna get replaced with

Excellency people who are excellent and

you're gonna eat shit

you narcissistic fuck without us the

workers Twitter would be nothing no you

are the most replaceable fucking people

in the world because everything you do

is based on education you are fucking

replaceable no think about it you got

into Twitter because you got accredited

be from a fucking University you didn't

get fucking hired at Twitter because of

your talent you fucking worthless fuck

and you fucking banned me bitch

not only do I want you to be banned from

Twitter I want you to go to prison I

want you to be in fucking jail I want

you to be so fucking miserable you cry

every single day

fucking bitch

the most replaceable class of parasites

in America

are claiming we should give a fuck

because they were dying oh Twitter's

going down because Elon Musk shut the

fuck up

I'm fucking triggered now

you know what

I can't say what I really want to say

but I'm gonna

I can't say what I really want to say

so I'll just sing it

[Music]

I'm about to move

foreign

this is the end of History this is what

we've all worked for this is what

history concludes in this is what it is

this is what it is

these narcissistic dear I I am going to

write a think piece in the New York

Times

dear diary I stopped washing my vagina

for three weeks

and I'm actually liking the results I

fed my cat and I'm living in Brooklyn in

my apartment and I wear glasses and I am

so important in this world and I am the

most important person in the world and I

represent the American people I

represent America everyone is so

relatable to me everyone can relate to

what I'm saying right now and I go to

Brooklyn and I feel oppressed

I feel oppressed and I totally hate

capitalism because capitalism prevents

me from socially bureaucratically

controlling everything and micromanaging

everything with my glasses I want to be

a socialist be a leader who sits around

and enforces you know I'm saying these

retards this is why I love what you

almost said

he said we want to vote yeah Emma

bigland is like perfect example look

this is why I like what he almost said

he said we want to focus on engineers

I was like damn do people forget

people fucking forget that like dude you

put these people in charge

I guarantee you

everything goes to shit

because they don't understand like

there's there's material realities

this is not just a social discourse this

is not just something where you sit

around in a bean bag and I want to talk

about it bitch the only reason you can

talk is because you are fed by men with

Spears who go and fucking hunt the

Tigers and bring them back home

or soy retard same fucking mentality

like they somehow don't understand that

discourse doesn't fucking put food on

the table it's not it's meat and

potatoes

engineers at the very I mean I'm I'm

even more hardcore than Elon Musk

obviously because even to me the

engineers there needs to be a reset we

need to reset even the technical stem

Sciences I am a lysenkoist after all but

I can at least recognize how much more

primary

like being an engineer is for a software

company than these fucking people thank

you very useless job

I want to sit and talk about things I

would have didn't talk about things

fucking socialism

socialism man Elon Musk fucking unban me

dude

because Twitter is about to get so

fucking huge Twitter's gonna be a good

app I'm not even fucking kidding Twitter

is gonna be like I

mark my fucking words Twitter is gonna

work it's gonna be a fucking it's gonna

shit will get done man Twitter is gonna

be a great app I have no bro I'm gonna

buy Twitter stocks I have no fucking and

that's not because I think Elon Musk is

a genius it's just because I think

he's gonna rule it like a dictator and

he'll get things done

has has zero clue about productive labor

okay let's see Stephen Okawa you're not

gonna get in VC and debate Me by chance

are you so let's just debate you in text

format it emerges from what has been

said so far the productive labor is a

quality of Labor which in and for itself

has absolutely nothing to do with the

particular content of the labor it's

particularly usefulness of the specific

use value in which it is expressed

what's your point Stephen

the particular labor has no bearing on

what constitutes productive labor there

are about five orders of retardation of

what with the angle that you're coming

from first of all even if I were to

grant you that productive labor is not

necessarily that which transforms the

world and produces material wealth which

by the way would be impossible

tautologically speaking because it is in

the very indefinition of Labor to begin

with for March it has to have the

quality of transforming the world and

for Marx that is the origin of surplus

value Marx is very clear about that but

even if I were to concede to you that

there's nothing about Labor in

particular that has to have the quality

of like actually being materially

productive right

okay fine

then we have you have to prove first of

all that Twitter employees are wage

earners that's the first thing we have

to do the second thing you have to do is

that prove that Twitter's profits and

Twitter's revenue is directly a result

of a traditional process of classical

capitalist accumulation

based on units

Commodities that crystallize labor value

what commodity in particular

crystallizes the labor value of Twitter

employees please because the Starbucks

retards at the very least try and claim

that it's the cup of coffee in which the

labor is being crystallized and they're

wrong by the way but they at least have

that so in the case of Twitter what

commodity is their labor being

crystallized in that is for sale

where prove to me that Twitter produces

Surplus value can you do that

can you prove that Twitter is actually

involved in the production of surplus

value at all

please do that

Marx is clear that productive labor is

productive insofar as a produces Turbo's

value

dude do you not know what Surplus value

is Surplus value doesn't just fucking

mean profit Surplus value

is the formalization of material wealth

newly added material wealth

it's not just profit Surplus value is in

the aggregate it's a surplus value it's

not just profit redistributed from some

sector to another it's an aggregate

Surplus value that's all Surplus value

means

because value is in the aggregate level

dude I could I could argue with people

like okay Starbucks they're not

proletarians but like oh there's still

wage Learners and it's like they're

involved in the sale of a commodity it

seems like and there's a whole debate

there but Twitter employees being

fucking proletarians that's Insanity

that's a whole new level of insanity

wait and how yeah Twitter's losing money

where's the Surplus value

you're telling me a company that gets

its Surplus value from ad Revenue that's

um the that's that's ex that's that's

the labor value that's be that's not

circles value dude

you got to go back and read marks sir

for Marx productive labor can engender

the process of capital accumulation

which means it can engender MCM all by

itself

you don't need credit from hedge funds

you don't need BlackRock you don't need

the banks you need JP Morgan you don't

need to operate at a loss for three

years

there is an autonomous engendering of

the process of capital accumulation

because of the way labor is replenishing

capital

right

in no way does that describe Twitter I

mean it's a debate about whether that

describes anything in our society today

definitely not Twitter

Surplus value is shared throughout the

company please explain how Twitter

produces Surplus value can you do that

how is Twitter producing Surplus value

please explain how Twitter is producing

Surplus value I just I'd love to know

that

mm is the new process

okay how is MM produce Surplus value

explain

how does that produce Surplus value

because remember labor is the source of

surplus value

you can't just blame workers do what the

boss wants I'm not talking listen I am

going to because Twitter's job

is to be on my fucking phone and work

it's not doing a good job first of all

I'm getting banned second of all Twitter

spaces are junk

they're absolute fucking junk they're

trash

they don't even work on desktop I have

to get a special app for it to fucking

work

third of all

Twitter has so much limitations and so

much dumb bullshit

it's such a shitty working app

it's such a barely functioning barely

competent app

I'm talking from the perspective of

utility at this point

there are no workers at Twitter

okay there are none

there are no workers at Twitter

these not this this narcissistic class

of social parasites that is the

professional managerial class think they

are the model of all of America and they

represent all of America and they've

turned Twitter into a microcosm of what

they think Society should be and that

they've reached the end of history at

Twitter and the neon musk comes as hey

no we're going to actually make Twitter

competitive and make it better

We're not gonna sit around and lounge

around and be happy with ourselves bitch

go hit the gym you soy bitch you low T

cuck fucking Banning me you

bitch

Define why there are no workers at

Twitter because workers produce Surplus

value

I mean I could Define it to you in a

million ways thank you so much Chris all

motive Surplus value is artificially

synthesized through American imperialism

printing money and the whole point of it

is to violate the LTV thank you so much

where's Morlock I mean from a from a

socio-political perspective

I think workers are the people that do

the things that are like necessary

for any society to function regardless

of its cultural or ideological content

and that means the most important

workers are going to be at the bottom

in terms of their relation to the

proximity of the transformation of

nature

Surplus value is produced through a

buying and selling of Labor power

it's produced when s socially necessary

labor time is lowered to increase

Surplus labor time

no it's not retard you're just

describing one aspect of it it also has

a productive aspect

where

the conditions for the reproduction of

Labor power produce a material Surplus

which is appropriated as capital

and as a value in the form of money

as Surplus value

you're missing the part where it pays

for itself and more

where labor pays for its own cost and

produces a surplus just through the act

of buying labor power

because the cost of Labor power is the

conditions of subsistence of Labor

which not only pays for itself but

directly produces a surplus thereby

engendering the process of capital

accumulation so no just by having

employees doesn't mean you're producing

Surplus value having employees and

making a profit does not mean you're

producing Surplus value this is like

basic Marxism at a very I mean we're

talking like

very basic level of Marxism

yeah we've had these debates for so long

people still don't fucking get it no

you're not a worker because you're an

employee you're not in the Marxist sense

of the word you're not a proletarian and

the Marxist sense of the fucking word

because you're an employee especially if

you're not fucking salaried with a

million fucking benefits and you're

basically treated as like a fucking

member of a fucking Mafia family or some

shit

value circulates commonly spans but it

doesn't get exchanged between

Independent Producers

yeah but labor power is produced

which produces value

I don't know what your point is

n't everyone somewhat an employee no not

really

dude when you have a fucking campus and

an office you're like you're not a

proletarian I'm sorry you're not

you're not a worker in any meaningful

sense you're just not and then watch the

Retard that what about an oil rig

what about an oil rig has

those are comparable to the Twitter HQ

it's just an arbitrary difference has

it's the same thing

yeah totally it's totally the same thing

it's looking exactly the same thing you

know

it's totally comparable

we just have to get rid of our biases

just like how like you know

dude it's just like everything right

it's like anything else it's like

oh like dude why do men like not getting

pegged it's pretty much the same thing

it's just bias because men don't get

pegged it's biased right

like dude just wear a dress why don't

you dude it's just bias just wear a

fucking dress dude who cares toxic

masculinity it's fucking bias man

he's gonna debate you all right yeah

having the baby thank you at this point

Twitter runs itself the workers leaving

don't take the code with them if Elon

wanted he could just have people through

upkeeping people will still use it look

at Craigslist

yeah thank you so much Jennifer I really

agree I have I don't know why Twitter is

saying oh this is the end of Twitter now

no it's not why would it be I mean even

if it's going to be the end for a week

because of a labor shortage he can just

hire new people

Twitter's not going anywhere because

these fucking employees left

uh

he's gonna debate me though

I don't like men just paint their nails

we just do it because of like bullshit

arbitrary rules and by the way what's

wrong with incest it's just like

arbitrary man it's like what's wrong

with ins see anytime someone says oh we

it's bullshit we don't treat Starbucks

workers like workers because of

arbitrary cultural potion

all the things that you think are just

like cognitive biases or whatever

disgusting bugman terminology you

fucking people use

those are the things that actually

matter you're just a fucking bugman

retard who's trying to make people into

robots

bias is what makes us human and make

work the life meaningful there's no

reality without bias thank you PJ

Twitter woke traffic cops are paid what

the elite can afford to pay them rate

workers are paid what they Elite are

forced to pay them it's

that's so true

that's literally so true

like holy shit that's so true

that is such a good distinction honestly

the difference is that oil rig workers

are in a competitive labor market a real

competitive labor market

that's based on willingness to do the

labor

dude Stephen you're unbanned so get in

so cute

get in Shoku your own band stop wasting

our time

go ahead and get in so cute

let's go let's let's do it Barista 2.0

but this time Twitter Edition

by the way guys I'm a streamer I am

infrared I'm a streamer and I shit on a

lot of employees as a streamer hey

Twitter Twitter left us

you want to suck my dick even if I was a

homeless man I would and shitting in my

um hand and throwing it at people I

would still do the same thing

but I'm a streamer and I shit on Twitter

employees and Baristas what are you

gonna do bitch suck my dick I don't give

a fuck make my coffee bitch

oh okay no no you can suck my dick is

what you can fucking do in this doggy

dog world I'm gonna have empathy

you're you're gonna suffer a lot I don't

care my balls hurt

I'm suffering

my balls don't hurt but you get my point

my lower back hurts bitch

we all suffer

I don't have empathy

are you paying me

I'm gonna have empathy

I'ma have empathy do they have empathy

when they're fucking killing people in

Iraq and Afghanistan fucking voting for

Nancy Pelosi and shit suck my dick bitch

when did they have empathy for the

Palestinians in Gaza never because it's

a doggy dog world

so wear your fucking glasses and shut

the fuck up bitch

there's no empathy in this fucking world

stop fucking posturing oh how could you

sit on burrito how could you sit on

Twitter employees because this is a cold

hard fucking world and I'll do what's

necessary

and oh yeah I'm a streamer so come take

it away from me bitch

I wish I was a super rich guy with like

a yacht because I would do the same shit

on my fucking yacht I would do the same

shit on my yacht with fucking

I would do the same I would have a gold

statue of fucking tiger and I would be

on my fucking yacht shitting on Baristas

and I would I'd be I'd be unemployed on

a yacht with a billion dollars in my

fucking bank and shamelessly I would do

it I'm not part of your suffering

Olympics bitch I don't give a fuck about

your

suffering

oh I suffer more than at least there

were more than you has they said I don't

care

the fuck I don't give a fuck

fucking loser then don't ban me bitch

stupid bitch

fucking tough enough to ban me and

politically back the fucking demon rats

and all this disgusting shit

but now you want empathy from me

after you support the fucking people

calling for the genocide against

Russians

suck my dick bitch

miss me with that fucking fake ass

empathy fucking bullshit

miss me with that fucking shit man

the doggy dog world

I don't got empathy for nobody

are streamers like middle peasants

fuck every streamer except Jackson

Hinkle and Jimmy door I don't give a

fuck about streamers

it's like bitch

oh it's about streaming I mean I'm just

trying to fucking broadcast

my fucking voice and face to the fucking

world

it's not about being a streamer to me I

don't give a fuck about that

it's like you're in streamer has yeah

I'm I'm out here I'm I'm broadcasting

video on the internet

are you just making coffee then make

coffee at your house you fucking bitch

you're not you're working at Starbucks

coming at me acting like you're what

you're doing is better than me okay then

make it at your house and see how

successful you'll be I didn't get hired

by YouTube Nobody hired me

oh yeah sir and zirka sorry I was

talking about YouTube streamers nobody

hired me

okay

nobody hired me

you can't you can't hire this job you

can't pay for

370 viewers you can't even pay for 10

viewers

I have to earn that

because I'm good looking that means I'm

blessed by God

and according to lysenko it means I'm a

good person

or my uh parents were good people

and then we'll see how my kids look

they'll probably look great

I look better than me

okay

but Elon Musk he's firing all these

fucking parasites like oh you're a

streamer I don't give a fuck bitch fire

me then you can't fire me without

censoring me that's the difference

you don't fire me because I'm

incompetent I'm a top oh oh oh oh oh oh

one percent

call me anything but incompetent bitch

then do what I do see if you can do it

better you can

only one of me there's only one has

please try to find a house clone please

please please try to replace me please

please replace me

you can't

so shut up

bitch

all right where's this guy in so cute

where's the guy in so cute

because I've been I'm waiting for him

I'm waiting for him

I'm waiting for him

I'm waiting for him

all right is he coming or is he bitching

out

I guess he's not coming so that settles

it they're not productive workers

foreign

he's waiting 10 minutes cool down let's

member him up now

let's go ahead and remember him up right

now what's his name

what's his name

I don't see anyone who joined

his name is zero hours

they their account was created one day

ago

so I doubt it's them

I'm trying to identify my phone number

dude

their name is zero hours all right give

them a member roll guys give him a

member roll remember them up

remember them up zero hours

I'll do it myself

look at these lazy mods just like

Twitter employees

except they don't get paid

what's his name zero hours

I remember them up there you go

rolls member there you go now get in VC

go ahead

get in VC

go ahead and get in VC

why am I dressed like I'm outside

you're there okay now get in VC

go ahead

join VC

dude are you stupid

four three two one

[Applause]

employees sir get banned

are these guys stupid he just doesn't

know how to click buttons dude click

show cute just fucking click it

okay

hello

unmute yourself

unmute yourself

unmute yourself

it's not hard I promise it's not

just go ahead and unmute yourself

now speak

okay now we can hear you hello

how's it going Alice

so we're going how do how does uh how

does Twitter produce Surplus value

I'm getting an echo from you

um

I'm gonna ask it again how does Twitter

produce Surplus value

the same way that

in the same way that everyone produces

okay now explain it specifically in the

context of Twitter go ahead explain how

it works

they sell their labor power I don't

understand what's hard about that all

right so if I if I um

all right so if I

ask you

to wipe my ass for me and I pay you four

dollars to do it are you producing

Surplus value by wiping my ass

probably not it's not is this is this

some sort of capital Outlet I don't

think so okay so how are Twitter

employees producing Surplus value

because they're quote unquote labor

power is being purchased

is that how that happens

uh

yeah and then on a social aggregate yeah

that's how it happens

no that's it no you don't just purchase

labor power and then Surplus value gets

produced now that doesn't happen does it

repeat what you're saying all right

does labor power have to be crystallized

in a commodity

actual material product this is what

you're doing a commodity a commodity

yeah okay yeah okay so I'm gonna ask you

again

if since you understand Marxism

at the scale of Twitter how does Twitter

produce Surplus value please explain

you want me to explain like what what

what product they're like they're

actually output no no see you're acting

like a Twitter employee right now like

Elon Musk says Hey guys can you do this

and then you're just kind of like not

being direct okay

how does Twitter produce Surplus value

how is Purdue Twitter producing or how

is it involved in the production of

surplus value

I think it's pretty clear about what how

they did it

it's not clear to anyone but you then so

can you please explain it to us

oh they like apply for a job right has

you know you know

continue you know and then I'm not going

to get paid wages right and then they

get paid

and then they produce more value right

then they're getting paid in the former

wages but the specific but what I was

making the point is that the specific

labor

you I know you want to just pivot to

something else because of the diarrhea

you just gave us according to you

Twitter employees get paid a wage which

they don't by the way

and in return for their wage they're

adding more value than they take well

that's just a completely non-marxist

subjectivist kind of like arbitrary use

of the word value value has a very

specific meaning in Marxism so how

specifically are you defining value

right okay which way how are you

defining how are you defining value

the same way Marx defines it

which is what it's the direct

expenditure this direct expenditure of

Labor time during production means this

is how we're this is how nowhere those

marks Define it that way

you

you don't think value is the direct

expenditure of Labor time during

production process no

then what the fuck do you think it is

then why don't you read marks on what

value is

can you pull up capital and find where

Marx talks about it directly and just

read it out for us

because I think you have to go back and

brush up on your reading

so my definition it doesn't hold for you

then your definition has no basis in

Marxism no

then you provided you provide you

provide the definition then but hold on

I'm the one who asked you

I could I could just lay you the

complete I can just educate you right

now about why Twitter doesn't produce

Surplus value but the burden is on you

to tell us why it does you want to just

want an education lesson right now tell

us why it does well

is that we don't fundamentally disagree

on talking about

okay so I'll ask you how does Twitter

produce Surplus value

how how do the Twitter capitalists

um exploit Twitter workers

the same way literally every year okay

so so explain it and it's specificity

and the whole production process explain

it Twitter MCM explain it

there is there is no there is no C

anymore again if there's no C there's no

labor there's no anything so clearly

there's something

I don't know there's not because labor

power is no longer being expressed

anymore in in in this exchange so how is

it being exploited

if it's no longer fine fear it's no

longer finding any expression if labor

power no longer finds any expression in

anything

what is the conceptual utility of this

concept

sorry what is the conceptual utility of

this term

I'm sorry I'm getting so much feedback

from you I mean like the echo I can't

hear a thing you're saying

you can turn my stream often

yeah

wait so you can can I still hear you

yes

okay I can hear you now

you say something so I can I don't know

I'm just talking I can't hear it

okay how does Twitter produce Surplus

value go ahead

my point was not the Twitter producing

Circle as valuable okay so it does so

Twitter doesn't produce Surplus value

anymore

it could or could not it just meant so

it does sense so it does does it or does

it not

it may or may not I don't know okay so

you don't know so you don't I was making

my entire point in the chat again was

that you cannot decide what the fuck

productive labor is

yes I can I can very easily it is not

observable it is the whole point was it

is not it's definitely observable

definitely observable this is

productively go back to the fucking

quote then go back to the quote and read

it over and over again you cannot look

at a particular labor and say this or

that is an opportunity that's not what

he said he said you can't look at it

based on its use value

you can very easily see if a specific

form of Labor is productive or not in

terms of its relation to Capital how are

you determining this I'm wondering

because of the relationship it possesses

to the cap process of capital

accumulation

so if marks were alive today he would be

able to go look at one set of one set of

particular labors in another and we go

oh yeah that that's the one that's

producing Surplus value and this is yeah

I think so yeah

oh okay then you you you're smarter than

Marx

what can I tell you but I don't here's

the thing I don't disagree I'm not for

the Baristas or anything like that I

don't give a flying fuck about them hold

on all you said was that productive

labor cannot be determined on the basis

of use value

which is the particular qualities of

this or that labor so for example you

can't decide whether a certain type of

Labor is productive because you're

chopping down wood or because you're you

know producing steel but there is a

there is a constant here right that it

is labor first of all and it is

productive labor because it is

engendering the process of capital

accumulation

which means it's not just an expense

it's the source

the cost of the price of Labor

produces a surplus

sorry the price of Labor

um accounts

both for the conditions of the

reproduction of Labor

and in addition to that a surplus it's

very simple we know this we we yeah

so that means that means that means if

an Enterprise can augment its own value

okay we understand this okay what's your

point I don't know you're explaining

this is what's your point labor power is

the only thing so so there there are

there is a distinction hold on there is

a distinction

there's uh there's two possibilities

either you have to acknowledge there's a

distinction between productive labor and

unproductive labor that is operative at

a level that is observable

so being an employee for a company that

makes a profit is not enough to qualify

that job as a working class whatever

proletarian productive labor job and

their labor is being exploited you can't

make that judgment SEC or alternatively

you could say something like

Marx's critique of 19th century

capitalism no longer applies to the

present-day mode of production at all on

any level you can do one of the two what

you can't do is sit here and try to tell

us that Baristas or Twitter employees

are the Contemporary equivalent of the

working class that was the object of

Marx's analysis

in capital or anywhere else no I

wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't say that

okay

I wouldn't say I wouldn't sit there and

go oh yeah yeah this is this is exactly

how Marx

thought or what what he was directly

observing in fucking England or

something like that and that's not what

I would be saying do Commodities have to

be physical what I would be saying is

that you what I was saying is that you

and people like in your chat or

something like that are trying to like

fetishize these specific kinds of Labor

and say no no no these are the true

fucking working class yeah when this

true working class has been fucking

automated out of fucking existence

already that's not true that's literally

not true

they are a solid 20 percent of the

population still

98.50

one-fifth of people one-fifth of people

is not automated out of existence as a

matter of fact it's a higher proportion

of people than the amount of industrial

proletarians who existed in Germany or

France at the very same time of Marx's

writing so that's not automated out of

existence yeah yeah you're talking

relative probably the population growth

I understand that but like the action no

I'm saying 20 as opposed to ten or five

percent

most people are fucking farmers in

Marx's age and they're all and that

Labor's yeah that's correct so so 20 of

people are industrial workers or workers

as per Marx's definition and 80 let's

just say we haven't qualified them but

they're willing to say they're not

exactly that and your goal is to what

expand this make it make it make it

larger uh no my goal is to do the same

thing Marx did which is create a party

that represents the interests of this 20

percent

and that's it that your entire goal is

just to capture yeah to make a movement

of the working jobs whose jobs are

eventually going to be automated your

goals okay well talk to me when their

jobs are automated because it doesn't

seem like it's happening anytime soon

I don't think you're gonna automate coal

miners anytime soon

I just don't that's you're not gonna

automate oil rig workers or coal miners

uh anytime soon or construction workers

for that matter uh you can you can um

you don't think we can induce this we

don't think you can induce this at all

no I don't you really don't you don't

think shortening the work we can like

induce these people to stuff automate

themselves out of fucking existence

I I do not think there is any ability to

automate construction workers at this

time

at this time right but you don't you

don't disagree with the fact that if we

reduce the work week right for example

and if we reduce the amount of Labor

that in order for them to make up

profits they would have to introduce

Machinery right just like they did with

the 14-hour

bill in England in Marx's time which is

specifically what he's trying to get at

was that if you take away the question

yeah okay so now you're making it's

about something else well shorter hours

are not necessarily going to induce a

revolution in the forces of production

just because people want to make profit

doesn't necessarily mean they're going

to succeed at revolutionizing the

productive forces Henry Ford wasn't

operating on a utilitarian for-profit

basis he was a Visionary so was Thomas

Edison or maybe Thomas Edison so was

Nikola Tesla uh from whose technology

Edison was derived so the idea that

Automation in this Paradigm changing way

like completely automating

revolutionizing the productive forces

first of all is on the basis of profit

to begin with

I would contest that view

um it's more of a his it's like it's not

any Revolutions in the forces of

production are no more a result of

um

the Quest for profit then Revolutions in

the Sphero philosophy or art or anything

else

so finally

um you know you also have to keep in

mind and point out that

there's relative Automation and then

there's a kind of more absolute

automation which would be able to

account for replacing the 20 percent

that we're talking about so a relative

form of automation that can be induced

by competitive pressures but those kinds

of automation

already exhaust the threshold of a given

society's productive forces they don't

revolutionize the productive forces they

draw out existing Technologies and

nearly expand them because of

competitive pressures that's all that

does for example Henry Ford's methods of

production

did expand because of competitive

pressures right throughout all of

society but they didn't originate in

competitive pressures so there's a card

before the horse type of thing

you realize Autumn you realize

automation like investment went up

during like the coveted lockdowns

because labor hours essentially dropped

I I can test the view that our society

is any more automated than it ever was

ever in history automation's always

relative you can you can test the view

that it's any more yes automated even

though that investment has like doubled

yeah because automation's always

relative it's always a relative thing

tractors automated Society

and then they engenders new forms of

Labor

you're saying right now we couldn't have

a shorter Work Week than we did 90 years

ago relative to the technology

we could have a one-hour we could we

could have always had a shorter work

week we could have always had one

it's not that's not because of

Technology

what do you mean that's not because of

Technology what that's what it mean no

it's not

um if

the if we had the material capability to

it's it's not related to technology at

all if it's more no it's not it's real

it's more a sociological thing it's

related to geography too many people are

still living in the countryside engaged

in other forms of production so when you

short shorten the work week you need to

have more people engaging in specific

forms of Labor Society needs to be more

socialized and organized that's probably

what's going that's probably the only

obstacle

in any points in history of shortening

the amount of hours we will work a day

but there it's not because of technology

or automation you don't think shortening

the work week for example in the United

States would cause an outflow of at

least Capital flight to the places that

need this Capital so they can develop so

we have like this excess like of capital

that's flowing into Washington DC

wouldn't we want to cause Capital flight

on some level like why wouldn't Capital

flight hold on Capital flight where

do these third fucking rape countries

that need to actually be developed that

don't have the like symmetrical uh

development of the productive forces

there's no way that assorting the

shortening of the work week will happen

in the United States

without already having assumed power

what do you what do you mean what do you

mean you have to be a policy choice

who who has control over selling their

labor power the government or us

who's us

meaning anyone who fucking works anyone

who doesn't know are they going to be

organized through unions to do this who

what is going to be the institution I

don't think Union should have any party

okay so what it what institution will

organize the workers to do this

well I think like you said there has to

be some like party at some level that

has to get people on board with this all

the marxists and all the Communist

organisms you realize that all that this

thing would only be possible at the

lever of state power

to reduce the work week yes

how so

they introduced and they introduced a

30-hour workweek bill in 1930 and they

killed it what's what what possible what

possible interest because it would

entail a radical reorganization of

society of course we'd have to we'd have

to direct it would it would require some

planning definitely yeah no shit that's

like anything for Organization no I mean

seriously it would first of all the

service industry needs to be destroyed

um they're actually I agree there has to

be a immense destruction of capital

McDonald's has to be boiled down uh

bulldozed down us this would require an

immense reorganization of society to

make the capitals fight each other I

don't understand like what's so hard to

understand about this like you make

capitals engage within competing with

each other those are the ones those are

the people that we like want to like get

into an all-out armed conflict no no I

think it would be very easy for

if you're already in power you could

probably just appropriate

these corporations

appropriate what I don't understand what

you're saying if they're if there

there's a fall if there's a fall in late

in labor time right in fall and labor

hours they're gonna have to make that up

somehow and then only the only way

they're ever going to reinvest and the

only reason they're not getting their

profits from labor but they're not

getting their profits from labor

you realize you realize our service

industry

um is not based on any necessities of

capital or anything like that it's it's

literally just it's all it's based on

the bullshit minimum wage and full

employment and bullshit I understand

this but it's like so we yeah I agree

but we have to get rid of them but they

I don't even think they even constitute

like the mass of worthless labor that

exists in society like you can get rid

of all fucking federal employees too

they're the largest employer in the

fucking in the nation so why like why do

we have to take over state or just to

fire every like fire everyone

no to Institute a plan for the one hour

a day that people will work to actually

be productive labor for society

I I still don't understand this

disconnect between like why you have to

take over the state in order to do

something that everyone can do because

it is because okay

so you you and you alone has and

everyone in your fucking chat and

everyone fucking who's a little dirty

Barista and everyone fucking like

Twitter just showed up they can quit any

fucking time they want

there have to be some if we all agreed

on this there would have to be some

organizational sure uh

yes okay so there has to be an

organization that can mobilize

minimum millions of people for this to

work right explain to me why this has to

be done at the level of the state okay

well you agree I just want to be clear

because I want to just understand what

level of reason we're on here clearly

you don't just think

prostheticizing people to quit their

jobs

on the Internet is going to amount to

anything you understand that it says to

be political so it has to be a political

movement at the very least right

it has to be some sort of organizational

movement yeah of course but I don't

think that I but I you can't even get

fucking all these groups to agree on

anything okay so so what you're what

you're saying it sounds like

you know you would have a situation

where uh uh uh a Tribune of the people

like the Communist Party would Lobby

for the policy change of creating a

let's say you know

what did you say uh um

a one hour a day whatever whatever you

want it to be slashing it in half

what did you say how many hour work week

let's just let's just throw out a number

let's go with keynes's number 15 hours

by fucking 20 30. okay 15 hours

so this this policy proposal gets

lobbied

to the government

why do we need to Lobby them this is my

this is what I don't understand

like like why do we need to Lobby the

government to fucking have a strike like

a permanent strike a strike that never

fucking okay so so hold on so we're

going to initiate a mass strike of how

many workers

as many as you can fucking get okay

let's say it's a million workers

okay million workers whatever if you're

lucky

yeah and they're gonna do it and they're

gonna say we're going on strike until we

have a 15-hour work week

what do you mean until

you don't have to fucking ask them

permission to fucking do anything I

don't understand this like you we don't

have to fucking ask them permission okay

so so you just want people to go on

strike forever what do you want

yeah Until It Breaks the fucking

capitalism absolutely dude okay so hold

on dude you're like a G oh dude you're a

genius

so you're saying all we have to do to

have a revolution is to have like a

hundred million people go on strike who

knew it could be that easy dude it's not

that easy I'm saying that there's these

this is exactly what something but why

what are you what are you what are you

why would they want to go on strike who

is it what how are you going to convince

millions of people to go on strike

I don't know how the fuck

you're gonna go for Maga communism

um the building a com a Maga communist

movement first of all begins with

waging the class struggle in politics so

you're going to get millions of people

to be drawn in to a Maga communist

movement by attaching to them the

political identity that reflects their

class interests so that's going to be

that's going to reflect on them

this is just Vanguard Theory right yeah

I mean I I mean I I mean you caught me I

am a Marxist leninist so yeah

you don't think these people are capable

of you have to educate these people

that's what you're saying to

um you have to at the minimum organize

them into a political movement yes

yeah but that's the again this is like

this is that starts with anything that

you want to achieve is organization

right so why why can't the aim just be

organized organized and then organize

with this one specific person why is

this why do you have this additional

step of oh we also have to take state

power and then do what with this state

well because hold on I was because when

I S when I hear shortening the work week

I'm thinking about like

deepening we already have an eight-hour

work because I was like I'm sorry eight

hour work day it's like okay we would

Institute a one hour

work day well that would require an

immense that would require a sweeping

and immense level of organization across

Society

what if you could just demonstrate it at

the level of a major city first

but if what if Mega communism takes over

some shithole fucking Democratic City

like fucking Detroit which has enormous

fucking bureaucracy I think I think well

wouldn't that just result in a capital

flight out of that City into some other

part of America and then they could say

like oh this was like a failure yeah

what do we care what do we care about

why why do we care about Capital like

what is that I'm just saying like it

would be used as an example to scare

people around the it'd be bad Optics

right people would be like yeah don't do

this unless you wanted those it would be

bad obviously if we reduce the size of

the government and and got got

government off people's back lower taxes

if you turned if you turned uh got rid

of all these fucking worthless publics

dude if you turned if you could why

can't that be a model for other cities

dude

if you turned like Salt Lake City into

Liberia it would scare people okay turn

it into Liberia it would be chaos it'd

be like poverty

what do you mean but what do you mean by

that turn it into fucking Liberia like

it's the chaos it'd be like a breakdown

of society

I mean giving people giving people

control back over their lives is society

is is chaos like saying hey you don't

have to send your kid to this fucking

shitty ass Public School you we're gonna

get we're going to shorten the work week

for you in this place and you can

actually educate your children dude but

if there's major Capital flights Army

getting rid of cops and arming arming

the citizens that would be chaos all

right so again a given city is connected

to a grid

so farms for example are not in the city

so they get their food outside the city

they also get that like their energy

grid is not necessarily always within

the city their whole supply chain is

outside of the city so if you take over

a city

um it's very easy for that City to be

starved out and choked out and that'll

lead to a breakdown of society and

they'll produce chaos of course it will

you you think that we wouldn't be able

to feed the people in the city

like the like the largest epicenter of

like we're like a concentration of

capital like we wouldn't be able to

be able to happen no I don't because

you're gonna no because all capital is

gonna leave and you're gonna have to

actually produce food and shit

okay if that's what you think sure

man I guess I'm not gonna argue with you

there but like I don't think that's what

would happen

like I don't so what do you think would

happen

um I think we you have to demonstrate to

other cities like what is pop like what

is actually possible and like what is

possible with less government a shorter

word so how are you gonna pitch so

government employees what I was like God

I'm sorry good

I agree with you generally about firing

all the government employees and shit

but when you when you're trying to make

it an organization or a mass movement on

this basis

that has to be a positive program you

can't just

say I want to abolish everything and

then

what makes that different from Chas

was just a fucking unorganized shithole

that like fucking like like you can make

it your for example you can make it your

platform you can make it your minimal

program and say

this is what we're pitching to the

American people slash

the government

why are the fire government employees

smash the bureaucracy

um shorter Work Week sure you can do

that as a political program yes I can't

why can't you just why can't you

implement it though otherwise I'm asking

you like why why it's the same reason

you can't Implement anything else at all

there's nothing there's nothing you

can't Implement a political program

outside of politics and it is a

political program

yeah in this instance it's not it's not

like a uh it's not like a uh

it's not like a hashtag on Twitter where

you're just gonna like

yeah in this instance I'm giving you an

example of it like something that is

demonstrably political that's what I'm

saying it's like you have to like

demonstrate that it's I I want to I want

to explain this so America has about

like what 300 million 70 million 80

million people yeah yeah

hundreds of millions of people

and the way this many people exist in

the same territory is that they're

already organized by a government that

the state is already the sphere of the

organization of the people so they're

already organized

so

when you talk about voluntarily and

implementing these sweeping

programs that are at the scale of a

state

you have to account for the way in which

people are already organized

which is through the state and through

politics that's why it's political

that's why you can't just have people

just wake up

and like oh full communism now let's

just do it well I mean like it doesn't

work like I don't think it would be full

I don't think it would be I know I'm

just saying for as an example it's just

not how it works I don't I don't I don't

disagree I don't disagree with the idea

that like people would wouldn't like be

like super

uh Jarred by this but it would be had to

be something that they would have to

agree to I'm not saying you you were

imposing this on that right but the

reason I said

you can only do it at the level of state

power

is because you mean do you mean like the

federal level is this what you're

talking about like actual like in

Washington going to Washington DC and

doing this

no I mean like through a proletarian

dictatorship

okay and how and how are you going to

achieve this through uh it's part of

like a medical program like we're gonna

have a one-hour work day and we're gonna

organize society around this and

concentrate different forms of capital

and different Investments to make sure

that life can

work around this new way of life

people will have the free time to you

know they'll have access to a common

pool of social sorry of societal Capital

to draw from in their free time for

their own Endeavors

um and there would be maybe a mandated

one-hour work week at like either

state-owned Enterprises for heavy

Industries or some kind of state private

partnership comparable to China who

knows

um can you think this and you think the

state has to what exists for how long

like how long does the state have to be

here

um this is what I'm wondering probably

for as long as any state in the world

exists

meaning what I mean this is what that is

I guess that's what I don't understand

is like why we need this like why the

state isn't just entirely superfl to us

at this point just because just because

of these current exists the current

formation of like how people like exist

under in and interact and and are

incorporated into society like under a

state like why can't we just move like

why why is moving beyond that attack

thing I'm wondering like why or not bad

thing why is that this not considered

like a pot like a

something that's not at least immediate

that could be done immediately like

um because that's not that's not how

human history and civilizations work

there's still going to be a class

struggle there's still going to be

um you know a pers a Persistence of

social antagonisms well into the future

those will not immediately be resolved

because of a you know a victory at the

level of seizing power

well I don't disagree with that there

wouldn't be areas that wouldn't be like

do you do we at least agree that like

we can get prices

go to zero like do you really

fundamentally agree with that like

prices

yeah like if there's a there's a

mechanism for this do we at least like

fundamentally agree like I I don't know

what do you mean

the destruction of the World Market I

don't think so no

right no I don't I don't think so you

don't so you don't think the prices will

ever be zero no no no no no no no

eventually wages for example

eventually I don't I think that money

will cease to exist of course let me

have money does he's doing this it's

like the way Mark defines okay okay

eventually I think that um

any formalization of value at all will

cease to exist

right

okay so we least agree on that I mean I

mean this is like eventually but

probably like you know 100 or 200 years

from now something 100 or 200 fucking

years yeah I don't if I do not foresee

this as anything uh what that will span

a generation probably a few Generations

that's wild to me that you don't think

that I mean the world is a is a big

place

and

you have to understand human history

is not over

these civilizations India China the

Islamic world I mean this is all not

resolved okay it's

this is all an ongoing reality of I

think there will be zones that will be

like non-free price zones like in like

once there's been established a place

where their prices don't exist like

there there will be zones like that in

the world still like I don't know how

long though again I have no I couldn't

tell you how long that would last but I

think that that's reasonable to predict

that like there will be zones still

where prices still operate

I think but why but why would you want

to live there I guess my question is

like why would you or why wouldn't you

want groups that are just made for

nothing made for free or just coming off

a fucking atom for fucking machine

somewhere

I don't believe in fully automated

luxury communism ever being I don't

think everything could be necessarily

fully necessarily automated either but

like we could automate a fucking ton of

shit at this point and like the amount

of use values that are come out of a

fucking machine are

you know I I don't I don't actually

think we are living in a society of

automation I think we're living in a

society of information and people

confuse the two all the time but it's

not the same thing

uh information seems like it's

automating things but it's not it's just

taking out the element of

you know um I guess

uh manual forms of information which

span a huge part of the supply chain in

the workplace

but automation

is not as big as you think it is

it's also very expensive like these

factories that are automated for cars

for example

they're pretty prevalent they're also

very costly to maintain and they're also

like there's also a lot of problems that

come with them right

I think it's extremely over

um

typed

automations are over hyped yeah I think

it is

okay I mean I I mean I I think the more

the better but I don't it's like I guess

that's what I don't understand is like

it's uh I think what you see more is not

so much an automation of anything but an

augmentation

of things of labor labor

it never fully becomes automated though

yeah I guess there's some like there's

some degree of uh like truth or that

we're like we we become appendages to

the machines rather than

like for example the tractor didn't

automate Farm labor it augmented it

right but there are I mean but there are

Autumn like automated almost all fully

automated farms at this point I mean

they're not prevalent but there are

again

could we get from one end of the supply

chain to the other thank you so much in

Automation and Manufacturing my entire

life it's so far away from the Sci-Fi

utopianism it isn't funny

um I think the problem with the Paradigm

of automation is that I think it's still

based in benthamite utilitarianism which

is to see I don't think we can speed up

this process though like I'm not talking

about like I'm not like no I I think

it's just a it's a completely

misconception of the relation between

mechanization and labor

even though it's about even though it's

destroyed like a tremendous amount of

Labor and like you know that is nothing

new

um the steam engine destroyed just as

much of amount of Labor it's not new but

it's it's it it's rapidly increasing no

it's not it's not

how could you say it's not rapidly

increasing like we just saw proof of it

during again the coveted lockdowns why

do we like why do we like why is this

even an argument like removing labor

from the market induces more automatic

investment in automation like this is

not like a what did what did covet

automate

ramped up their automation like tenfold

like like like the even Japan like

they're the cost of Robotics keeps going

down like in relation to like labor so

it's like I don't understand like how

this cannot like be

I don't know why this is like a uh

controversial statement so what kind of

automation did China ramp up during

covet

mostly medical stuff because of

obviously it doesn't surprise me

yeah right exactly but like I mean

that's the field that like I mean but

the medical field as you know is not

a sphere of uh doesn't produce material

wealth

what do you mean by that like it doesn't

produce medicine it doesn't produce it's

not materials

it's just uh the maintenance

of

producers

so you're saying we don't have any scale

of Automation in industrialized

countries that can produce even just the

basic modicum of material wealth no for

one hour work week right now

we can have a one hour work week because

I'll tell you why we can do it because

we can just have people rotating shifts

to do the actual productive labor that

we need and spend the rest of their time

doing what they want that's definitely

possible

but in terms of it being because of

automation it has nothing to do with

automation

but there does have to be some level

like some some some like General State

of Science and Technology and

methodology and knowledge can I can I

try and put it this way I want you to

think of automation as a uh a Gundam do

you know what gundam is

no I'm I mean the anime

no I don't watch everything I don't

either but they had toys so were you

ever there was a TV show

like okay called gun is just like power

it's like Power Rangers

I think there's something like that in

there it's like a big robot you get in

the mecca suit okay

okay all right fine so like Mecca

Godzilla right

Pacific Rim did you watch that

now

so automation

when it's at a small level is like a

small suit right

and it accounts for a very

um

it's it accounts for a small quantity of

time and the overall metabolism of the

economy

and when you increase automation

the the

um

cycle of machinic production

encompasses more time and more of the

metabolism right

but

that does not actually shrink the amount

of Labor

all it does is increase the scale

of the mechanization

who's beginning and end is still based

in labor

so think of it as

the size of a mech suit it gets bigger

and bigger and bigger but there always

has to be a person in the mech suit

okay again this is probably more helpful

if I knew what the fuck

uh x square but it's like a robots for

you get in and pilot

okay there always has to be someone

inside of it without that there it the

whole thing cannot

it doesn't Auto initiate anything

no I'm not suggesting that like there's

going to be some Auto initiation of this

like someone just put like a George

Jetson style that's what I'm familiar

with George Jetson style where he just

pushes a button and the whole fucking

world just moves all of a sudden that's

not what I'm talking about but we are we

are definitely talking about less labor

being able to

you know

push forward more me like control more

means like that or at least be able to

tap into more means like right like

right like

on some level because like it can't just

be a one-to-one relation what do you

mean

meaning less meaning less labor right

like one hour work week or whatever it

is we'll be able to be just as

productive as what we think 40 hours of

Labor is today relative to that specific

form of Labor yes

obviously yeah and I also do what about

you like the labor

I'm sorry what'd you say what about the

new forms of Labor that will inevitably

arise around

life in relation to this I don't think

there's any trans-historical

labor time

no neither do I I don't I don't think

there's any trans I don't think labor as

we even considered automation creates

new forms of Labor

that we're not automated that were not

automated before and cannot be automated

and by the time they can be automated a

new form of Labor has already risen

yeah I guess I guess this is the getting

out of the territory of like

what is it called infinite regress or

something like that where there's just

more like you can never get down to like

this finite point of

being like zero or something like that

zooping zero labor and that's not what

I'm saying I'm not saying like there's

ever going to become a time where like

there's going to be absolutely zero

labor

that's not my argument my argument is

that we can reduce it to a bear absolute

minimum

I agree and we can continue to continue

to do that and like and it's not even

based on the amount of it's not even

based on automation that wouldn't even

be right I agree

my argument would be like what I think

Marx's argument would be which is with

that like

conditions for communism are when labor

and capital are just entirely

Superfluous to production

does that make sense

um when wage labor and capital yes yeah

yeah yeah yeah like the labor and

capitalist the purple is to production

itself yeah I agree

okay

cool great I'm gonna I mean I'll guess

I'll I mean that's the only thing I

really want to argue about argue about

because I didn't I didn't really

understand this argument about like

uh

um

yeah I don't care about Baristas and I

don't give a fuck about any of these

other

people are unions or whatever I just

don't understand I just didn't

understand this this distinction we were

making like why wouldn't we just want to

get everyone on board with reducing

hours of Labor like that's for me

anyways that's

all right

cool well

I guess I'll go this is nice talking to

you yeah

later

I was not expecting that guy to be a

jehu guy

I just wasn't

but uh I will say

um

I think I think a lot of problems

come from Bentham in general like when

it comes to socialists Marxist trying to

understand things

this includes Paul Cox shot actually

with his like idea that super computers

can solve the calculation problems just

in general just feel like okay if we can

do this in physics why can't we do it in

reality

because you're kind of leapfrogging over

the world of

symbolic social meaning sounds stupid

and meaningless but that's everything

right

Bentham is a utilitarian so he's already

conceiving the world as ready-made

before a kind of

rational subject trying to

become the most resource efficient

whatever but

the truth is is that

um

I always like to say this

we're not out here just living

as human beings

we're not just like animals breathing

and living we have to have meaning it's

all about meaning the world of meaning

we don't go to war

because of like utility we go to war

because of meaning the world of meaning

right

um

it's that that realm is not resolved and

it's not and by no means is that

reduction sorry is that by no means is

that reducible

to anything at the level of like okay

what is the exact physical or natural or

technological

significance of this

I I we should return to the Bible Bible

over Bentham is my new slogan Bible over

Bentham right

because of you based on Revelation

recognizes

the question of meaning to be one that's

unresolved

can't take it for granted and then start

bent them

you know

utility maxing you know that's Bentham

utilitarianism

I mean why is there even politics right

think about it

it's a good question

why does politics even exist isn't it

all stupid

well it's because we want certain

policies

no that's how benthamites think right

it's not because of policy at all

based thank you so much guys is that

they have too much confidence in

technology and seem to think it's all

possible short term

I can't speak for like jehu guys in

general thank you so much Chris but I

just think in general a lot of people

presuppose Bentham

Bentham uh

utilitarianism

which I think is a big mistake

I think why I say Bible over Bentham why

do I say that

I think there's something to it

Zizek slavo ZX notion of ontological

incompleteness

I think there's a relationship

tangential one but a relation it points

in the direction at least

of the revelatory tradition

what is important about the revelatory

tradition

um as opposed to the kind of rationalism

of the Enlightenment if you want the

utilitarianism

not I'm not trying to miss obfuscate or

mystify anything which is what a lot of

people do when they bring up religion in

general

but I think the significance is that

the socius is unresolved there is

somehow an antagonism

an imminent antagonism at the heart of

the socius

out of which all meaning is derived in

relation to

and is even reference referential toward

metronomically

all of our social meaning

points toward these

the dark heart

of an irreducible antagonism

which in religious terms you could

Define as the sublime

of Revelation

but this one antagonism

reconciles

everything the whole of History the

whole of reality the whole of being

everything

and Society

symptomally relates to that one

antagonism

if you want to call it an antagonism

it's called an antagonism from the frame

of reference of the Enlightenment

but from the frame of reference of the

rest of History it would be called

something like

the absolute

right

God

if you will

put it this way

the class struggle

what is the objectivity of the

proletariat and of the bourgeoisie what

is their objectivity

they share the same object

because their object

is manifested in the very

distance between them

sorry not manifested is the wrong word

but it's

it's existence

where it's given expression

foreign

things form in relation to their object

and this object is singular

I'm confused as to why you think we can

calculate Surplus value

at the level of individual workers

okay you can calculate it at the level

of social workers

how are Twitter employees

workers in any sense

if Twitter doesn't even produce Surplus

value at all

so in Marx's within Marx's frame

Surplus value and labor is aggregate I

agree but there is still

at the local level and explain

explanation for how that happens

how that process happens

it's not some mystery

that's how on individual sectors you

can't

you can determine

marginal contributions to the um

marginal and relative contributions to

the aggregate Surplus value

like this does not produce Surplus value

but

re-distributed this one does produce it

yada yada

no rev you're wrong

because socially necessary labor time

has to itself be defined

it's not theoretically defective just

because the determination of which

sectors are productive and which ones

aren't is retro causal

it's because it has to be made from the

perspective after the fact doesn't mean

it's theoretically defective

oh man lower back hurts so much

um

otherwise I'm gonna unlist the stream

and it's not done yet but I'm just

telling you I am gonna

because this was just like a chill

stream we did and tomorrow I'll

hopefully stream much earlier

but I forgot what I was gonna say with

Elon Musk all I really wanted to say I

guess

was congratulations to Elon Musk for

firing these fucking social parasites

you'd have a chair that has back support

um this one

is dog shit for my back 100 percent

it's a good stream no I know it is I

just

on the algorithm I don't want it to like

be on the algorithm why on this because

when it's on the algorithm it's like

it gets it fucks my shit up when it gets

added to the algorithm right

thank you so much our will sorry for the

Sidetrack question but do you use any

pre-workout stuff no

not at all

anyway guys

thank you so much our well appreciate

you

all right guys we had a chill stream we

had a good stream

but anyway

but anyway

but anyway but anyway

but anyway

but anyways I was going to say

um there's one way in which I do

empathize with the Twitter proletarians

the capitalist Elon Musk is exploiting

and firing

and the reason I think there were