DEBATE NIGHT [2021-10-16]

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now imagine something i want you to

imagine something

you're walking on the street

minding your own business

all of a sudden

this is coming at you

10 miles per hour

what would you do

you would be scared wouldn't you you

would be scared you wouldn't know what

to do

imagine

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imagine this is coming at you

what are you gonna do

how you gonna block it huh

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does it look easy

does it look easy

then you try it

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does it look easy to you

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can chapel do this

can chapel do this

can i do this

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in chatbot

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i studied the blade while you were

watching chapel i studied the blade

while you were watching chapel i started

to play

by the way

but y'all bitch-ass people

was watching the chapel trap house

i was studying the blade

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he's coming in a second i'm waiting for

food to get here

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let me tell you the truth

tell you the truth

i like swords that look like this

i like short swords

you want to know why i like short swords

because you can be agile with them i

like short swords because i could do

that with them you understand

now let's say

you get a big sword right

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i can't do nothing with this all i can

do is hold my ground and pray to god

that's all i can do with this

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i can't do nothing with this

you understand this is all i could do

with this

pray to god pray to god i'll defend

that's all you can do

infrared training session

i'm gonna train the mongols

i'm gonna train the mongol army

i'm gonna train the guerrilla army

everybody blasted session martial arts

hand-to-hand

combat training

for the mongol army for the guerrilla

army

you understand

how you get a weapon like this

i don't like this right

if you if you're big and strong you just

hope they're going to be intimidated by

you but you're not going to be able to

do nothing slick with that you

understand

now uh

you have another option

this is the unruly

they call it the unruly right back in

the

guerilla army training camp it's got a

reputation it's called the unruly you

understand the unruly is a very

uncoordinated chaotic weapon it's got

blunt force

but it's hard to control

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sd wants to debate

where did you [ __ ] hear that

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ozzy

talk to the emmy

compliment

anyway

you got the unruly right

one of course

but very unpredictable very chaotic

so the the main

art style this weapon

um you're gonna go two-handed most of

the time and you're going to have a free

hand to gain momentum so it's going to

be like that you know what i mean

you're going to be like this

and you're going to take a hand out like

that

understand give me a second

try

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give me one sec guys

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all right back in session we're back in

session

you understand

so the unruly

the art style is going to be a

combination of force and chaos

now

the

originator of this art style using this

weapon jason he used to have a really

effective art style that he would do in

the middle of battle he would basically

just be like this he holds like this to

confuse his enemies and wow take it

around town

like this

and he he'd eventually generate it so

fast like a wind turbine

and he would slowly inch up closer and

closer to the enemy when he would do

this so like this

closer and closer and he keeps this

circular motion going the whole time

like a helicopter so he kept this whole

thing going like this

and then when the time was the charge

we'll go

like that

so you're generating a lot of torque

when you're doing this

you're generating torque you understand

generating the torque

and when the time is to strike

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like that

very effective uh weapon

another way to just do the good old so

your intuition is going to say you want

to be like a baseball bat right

well

jason actually adopted baseball art

style elements so

like this right

like this but he would look at my hand

look at my left hand see what i'm doing

it looks like i'm gripping it with both

but i'm using this

as a water element

right free hand the hand is free the

whole time it's basically just the way

of turning it you understand

you got to keep this turning that's the

art style the helicopter style you

understand

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see with this weapon

you don't want to generate too much

torque going back like a baseball bat

you don't want to do this you want to

keep a distance

chin's length like this like this like

this quick and simple right this is how

you can get the most

once forced and you're not going to

waste your own energy potential

just like this

like this see

gonna make sure you're always in control

call this the robotic repellent that's

what they call it the robotic propeller

it looks robotic when you do it

you understand

there's another one too but this is

basically uh

this is basically the ultimate

so this is going to be the ultimate

right

the ultimate

is going to go like this

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except way faster

going to spin around a bunch of times

you understand

that's the ultimate and it's an area of

effect

move and it's gonna knock everyone out

on their feet they can only do it once

per battle okay

these are all secret and fifa martial

arts training tactics okay this is what

antifa does

in front of me

we have uh

the katana

so

this is all coming from enemy so this

one

you gotta make sure

it's a very unique complex sword art

it's based on

calculated movements

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you're not ready for that one

you're not ready for that one

yes i have a surprise for you i have a

surprise

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baby girl it's been so long

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oh you thought i was having one

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oh man

i thought i was done one huh

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last thing and we're done

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hi just

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hey apparently the destiny thing is real

so [ __ ]

i guess i'm debating destiny next friday

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it's gonna be on the

hippy dippy championship

friday at 9 00 pm est

yeah i guess i'm debating destiny

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damn apparently it's happening

i thought they were boycotted

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i thought they were uh boycotted

boycotting me

interesting

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i feel like [ __ ] after that [ __ ]

mcdonald's you know that

i feel like total [ __ ]

i feel so gross

after eating that mcdonald's and i feel

like i got more pasty like i feel like i

lost my tan just for [ __ ] eating that

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i looked so much darker yesterday

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yeah it's a gyno feeling honestly

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i don't even know what the topic is they

just said are you interested and i said

yeah sure

i'm always open to debating

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yeah it might be the lighting let me

actually check that out

properties

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configure video

white balance

this might be

yeah there we go that's literally what

the issue was this wasn't good white

balance

i look way better now

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how tall am i

i'm five nine

five eight point five is when i measure

myself but i'm gonna measure myself

again to be sure because everyone's

everyone's questioning my height and

it's starting to make me question it too

so let's we're going to measure it again

sometime

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everyone says i'm five six or five seven

and they actually convinced me i might

be

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because i don't know why it's so

controversial that i'm five nine or five

eight point five whatever

but we're gonna measure again because i

just

i'm starting to question my own height

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oh god the water feels good to cleanse

that [ __ ] mcdonald's garbage

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ah

all right let's just hey guys before

okay one last thing

we're gonna debate that guy

there's two people we're debating

tonight we're debating the minorities

from rtsg he's gonna be after

and then before him we're gonna debate

someone else

okay

um

later we're gonna watch those videos

nick crowley videos and expo videos

we're gonna do that stuff later we might

even play minecraft later right i kind

of feel like playing minecraft a little

bit i was actually planning on doing an

irl tonight

going to a haunted attraction

but i want to do that with someone right

so

i'm going to like uh

i'm actually going to uh

i'm going to see who i can bring i might

just text my cousin or something and

just see if they want to go to a haunted

house

next saturday or something

um

okay but before we do anything guys

guess what just dropped and i feel like

i was wanting to do this on stream

um we have the batman

trailer

oh god

i was gonna watch it and then i was like

i may as well just react to it on stream

because

it'll be a fresh reaction you know what

i mean

so

that's what we're gonna do

properties

the batman okay we're gonna watch this

and then we're gonna debate that guy

right after okay

oh man

is that legal

watching a [ __ ] trailer on stream if

that's not legal i don't know anything

about the world

let's watch

please

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the [ __ ] is that

a teacup

riddler

yo ass why

white us

is this the os

okay

the [ __ ] man

fear

there's a sex scene

is there really

is it the os

is there any nudity

is there any nudity

oh they just kiss okay

when that light hits the sky

it's not just a call

it's a warning

is that the joker

joker henchman circus chat

it's circus chat

this is destiny

that's stupid dude

i can't take this here's the match

i can take care of myself who's that

if this continues

it won't be long before you've nothing

left

i don't care what happens to me

it's only gonna get worse for you

oh take it easy sweetheart

hear everything they say thank you

maybe we're not so different

who are you under there

i'm vengeance

what's black

and blue

and dead

i got you

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it's not even that far away that's like

and it's that's like in a few months um

i don't know how i feel about this guys

i don't know how i feel about this um

i think that the the girl is gonna carry

it whoever that cat woman is whatever

that that woman she's gonna carry she's

gonna carry that movie

this is a very uh

this is a very elastic batman this

reminds me a lot of spider-man actually

it reminds me a lot of spiderman just

the way he moves around and [ __ ]

it reminds me of like the sam rainey

spider-man movies does just the

aesthetic does

reminds me of sam raimi spider-man

but um

can i be honest i like the snyder batman

way better

maybe i'm just too old or something but

i like the snyder's bruce what is the

[ __ ] ben affleck way better ben affleck

he's a beefy

old batman and i i just like that one

way better

i think this this would be a good you

know what they had they [ __ ] this film

up

this guy robert

he would have this would have been a

great

uh batman beyond movie this would be a

great batman beyond

right

they should have kept the snyder batman

and then just made this as batman beyond

cuz this is a very like elastic batman

and it gives me batman beyond vibes you

know

like he's like spider-man or something

it doesn't remind me of batman like to

me batman is a very uh

for he has a lot of fortitude and

he's not an elastic kind of guy he's not

acrobatic he's just like

you know he's he's and i think a batman

is old too i like i like the ben affleck

one better

um

yeah

okay so

all right

so guys

um

we're gonna debate a guy

and let me show you who the guy is this

is the guy we're gonna be debating

and let me explain to you what happened

and why we're debating him

this is the guy we're debating

okay so this guy

last night sometimes i checked my clips

right i checked my clips

and last night i found a clip

where it was the most viewed clip on the

of the last 24 hours because i review

those right

this guy clipped something in our

channel

where he finds one part where we're

listening to bloom chen and i'm

attacking chapel and this is the song

that's playing

right

this is the song that's playing

let me show let me show you

this is the song it's playing

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hey this is like

a very

first of all this song means a lot to me

personally that specific bloom chin song

means so much to me

okay because this is the song we were

playing

when i finally started to get in the

groove of debating and i'm like wow

infrared's gonna rise to the top through

debates

and it reminded me of elita battle angel

for some reason and i just it's just

very close to my heart the song right

and bloom chin in general is because you

know i spent a long time in isolation

i don't know if you guys know that

where i had no friends no contacts no

nothing and i i didn't work out in

silence when i would go to the gym and

i'd be preparing my weights i'd be

listening to music a lot of time i was

listening to bloom chen

right just

the spotify profile just going down the

list

because to me bloom chin this was in

2019 represented

the 2020s and it's just like i had this

optimistic feeling when i would listen

to

whatever her name is blooms and the

german artist was like

this is just like how people in the 90s

must have felt going into the 2000s

that's how i felt in 2019 thinking about

how

in a few months it's going to be 2020

we're going to be entering the 2020s and

i had a very just yeah i had a feeling

it was my time now to like be out in the

open and this is the new era it's the

2020s and it was just a really nice vibe

you know

that's i love that 90s and 2000s type of

music because

it combines like

you know like electronic repetitive

music with melody right and i used to be

like a type of guy who only liked to

listen to like

really ugly sounding like avant-garde

electronic that had no sense i was like

yeah man this is all that made or

whatever you know that [ __ ] but then

i started to embrace melody right and i

don't know it's just music is a very big

part of my history right

so when infrared started

bloom chin was what i would use for the

intro music because

and music like that that type of genre i

would use it for the intro music

and while the intro screen was playing

it was showing beijing's new airport

right

uh

with the infrared logo and [ __ ] and it

got me hyped right

it got me hyped and it just felt like

this is a totally new aesthetic totally

new vibe and i'm ready for the new era

right i'm ready for the new era

um

and and i'm specifically by the way

contrasting the infrared aesthetic with

that music and that aesthetic i'm

contrasting that with what i think are

the 80s obsessed

chapel

the podcasters bread tube all of those

people are obsessed with the 80s right

but me

i'm more kind of moving toward not only

the 90s but the early 2000s because to

me the 2000s were a feeling of like

you're entering a new era it's just the

future basically this idea of the future

and

that's a bit it was a very deliberate

and conscious decision on our part

to just make sure

how are they obsessed with the 80s

are you stupid dude do you not know

about synthwave and

uh what is that [ __ ] ugly purple

aesthetic that they use the synth wave

and the [ __ ] they love the synth

music and they did stranger things vibe

and they're hipsters and they're wearing

like that you know spunky 80s you know

shut the [ __ ] up [ __ ] you know what i

mean

80s is more like a return to normal yeah

vaporwave whatever 80s is more 90s is

more like a return to normal after that

80s cringe and then the 2000s is like a

completely new era right

when the 2000s dropped

um

unfortunately it's like y2k didn't

happen right

when as soon as the 2000s happened you

started to see a repetition of like

people rediscovering the

60s and then 70s in the early late 2000s

and early 2010s it was the 70s the 70s

aesthetic was what was big right

then when around 2015 2016 that's when

the 80s thing took off right i started

to notice this in 2016 when 80s started

to uh

take off i was like why is this 80s [ __ ]

being revived

and i was like oh okay i understand why

but um

yeah so anyway

you know uh

this is why i challenged this [ __ ] to

a debate this [ __ ] uh

disgusting creature to a debate

i just challenged them because even

though the clip only got 90 views it

pissed me off so much because this is

okay let me tell you what happened

he took a clip

of one of the bloom chen songs one of

the my one of my favorite ones by the

way it's not like a random one either

it's literally one of my favorite ones

and he goes infrared listens to

alt-right meme music

and

uh while attacking other leftists

now what i'm interested in knowing

is

how many of you knew that was alt-right

meme music did any of you know that i

[ __ ] didn't know that

and i looked it up

on know your meme the thing and it said

oh there's a meme where

if something's nazi they they play a

song and i don't [ __ ] know

but

you know i have a very eccentric music

taste in general and it's disgusting

slanderous leftoid stupid [ __ ] piece of

[ __ ]

was literally

because people see like how's why is

your music so eccentric this guy's been

finally making sense of it oh it's

alt-right meme music he's dog whistling

to the alt-right

and i got so mad because

this guy is my enemy i actually [ __ ]

hate this piece of [ __ ] thank you

natsuki because

the idea of bloom chen being taken away

from you music that is so close to my

[ __ ] heart

and

is such a huge part of infrared history

and my own history because this guy

[ __ ] decided it was an alt-right

symbol [ __ ] you [ __ ] i don't care if

[ __ ] hitler himself listened to this

music in his car this is my [ __ ] you

don't i don't give a [ __ ] [ __ ]

you stupid [ __ ]

that's like people who freak out over

pepe the frog you know what i mean

i don't give a [ __ ] [ __ ] if i like

something i like it

i'm gonna listen to it on stream

right

and it pissed me off so much and then he

said while he's attacking other leftists

so i'm gonna there's a few things i'm

gonna debate about one we're gonna

decide whether he was justified in

claiming that uh i was listening to

alt-right meme music

and that was actually the intention

behind whatever

second thing we're gonna talk about is

whether or not

uh leftists deserve to be protected and

not attacked

and critiqued

whether like leftists are a protected

class in society then you can't attack

other leftists

leftists

these are the two things i want to cover

right so i'm going to tell this guy

right now whoever he is get your [ __ ]

[ __ ] ass in show cue

now

in the show cue voice channel i'm gonna

drag you up

right now

what up [ __ ]

no one can hear you

your mic doesn't [ __ ] work

hello

yeah of course the [ __ ] nerd doesn't

know how to [ __ ] work

hello

you know of course the [ __ ] nerd

doesn't know how to [ __ ] work

hello you know of course the [ __ ]

nerd doesn't know how to

these are chapel viewers by the way

hello

ah [ __ ] i was using the wrong ah [ __ ] i

was right okay first order of business

why is bloom chen alt-right music go

ahead no no no no we're we're gonna

cover something first unban me

no i'm not gonna unban your [ __ ] ass

okay okay that's a dodge

why is that a dodge you're here now

nope you're gonna unban me or it's a

dodge

dodging what

you're gonna unban me so i can fully

participate in this content or it's a

dodge

why is it a dodge what is it dodging

yeah i'm you're literally in voice with

me right now who's dodging what

what a [ __ ] coward he's literally

trying to [ __ ]

back out of the debate now

i don't know i i wanted to be this is

great we can make some great content i

love it

unban me

why you so you're going to give me

orders no

no no that it's an agreement no you will

why why why either why agree to debate

or

no no why i'm not going to accept your

blanket orders why why do you need to

chat

do i need to unban you so your [ __ ]

mic works you [ __ ] [ __ ] why do you

need to be unbanned

that's right you will and by amaze that

my mic works

you will unban me so that way so you

can't engage in the use of reason though

right you're just going to bark at this

order

this arbitrary condition that is

completely devoid of enemies

we're going to agree that we are

creating content together

and that includes i'm participating in

chat

you're participating in vc don't worry

about chat

no

what

carl let's explain why bloom chen is

alt-right music go ahead i don't know if

you speak german so do you know what the

lyrics of that song are is that she's

preaching uh

white nationalism or something

because that's what you put in the title

you said while he's listening to

alt-right me music it's very curious

that you knew that that was an alt-right

meme supposedly and i didn't which

actually incriminates you who actually

fits the demographic of an

alt-righter as a white and yes you are

white you are a white male

excuse me leftist you know you're a

white male right you're a white male

game death

the number one

demographic of the alt-right as proven

by studies

developers in silicon valley number one

demographic of the alt-right i'm a

[ __ ] arab

from metro detroit michigan

i'm an alt-righter

i don't know about your alt-right

subculture carl why don't you tell us

more about these alt-right memes we may

be unknowingly be participating in the

fact that you knew that incriminates you

and he doesn't defend himself so he's

literally just getting destroyed

i'm winning the debate now he's he's too

scared to even

say anything

he's just getting rolled over he can't

even defend himself

you're too scared to unban

why should i unban you

you have to give me a reason give me one

good reason why i should unban you

okay here's the new terms i'm gonna say

ready donate me your balls

and then we can debate

how many dollars

your balls your your balls go to a

doctor get your balls removed and send

them to me

you is this like infrared once my balls

or infrared wants my balls

which one is it

ouch you actually thought that was funny

and you're a grown man who looks like

this saying that

you that's literally dreamer that is

what i am

yeah you're an alt writer you're an

alt-righter

actually that's appropriating my culture

so you should you should back off of the

german slurs

that might be tos you should watch out

you're an alt writer you're a member of

the alt-right

not actually yes you are you fit the

demographic of the alt-right

listening to music is way less

incriminating than fitting the exact

profile and demographic of an alt writer

all while knowing the finest intricacies

of their subculture the fact that you're

aware of alt-right subculture when such

an intimate level of detail incriminates

you the teacher channel about

meme culture yesterday you were trying

and failing really badly i wonder where

you got that information from are you

not being careful about your information

hygiene

what information and how was i failing

you tried to say that something awful

was the peak of rational discourse

no that's not what i said actually

that's what you said i said the matter

of expression that dictated the terms of

uh discourse on something awful was

based on like this plain spoken explicit

discourse

which is true

that's all forum discourse by the way

that's all foreign i literally

participated in that [ __ ] i know what

that [ __ ] was

you told me the papa power book meme is

like the peak of of discourse like like

that's rational even their memes were

like loaded with the implicit pretense

of a like rational subject who takes

things at face value even the

cheeseburger memes and the uh fire and

my laser memes and all that kind of [ __ ]

those were not those were nothing like

the memes that would proliferate around

the 2015s and 2016 no they were

qualitatively different entirely

though those memes by the way weren't

based on irony

is that why the subconscious is that

what the subconscious effect that meme

is going to have is that what it's going

to do

what mean

the bloom chen the memes from ytmnd the

like so this song which reminds you of

yeah

sorry not 19. 2019. you said it reminds

me of 2019 or 2020 yeah when it came out

in 1998.

and

all right what's your point

that's when i just started listening to

it and discovered it

and that's the meaning that i placed it

in the context of are you trying to say

that memes like are imminently and like

metaphysically loaded with meaning

rather than being ascribed meaning for

certain reasons like you actually think

a meme actually carries

some metaphysical subconscious substance

this is what you said on your stream oh

yeah call me call me where i said that

memes carry some kind of metaphysical

unconscious substance rather than being

phenomenal forms that we relate to our

that relate to our subconscious because

of the way

we ascribe meaning to them

when did i say that's so [ __ ] stupid

that's like saying that's like that's

just superstitious that's just the

superstitious 385 seconds into the

stream you said memes give expression to

cultural and unconscious realities of

course they do

does that mean they're imminently

metaphysically loaded with like some

kind of magical substance that

gives them reality independently of the

context within which they actually

express meaning like you actually think

a meme is like a magical supernatural

totem that exists independently of the

way in which it actually

these things to human subjects you

[ __ ] [ __ ]

you are failing very hard you're failing

very badly because you're being tested

you are you are expressing to us what

the purpose and scope of memes are

okay how am i failing how am i failing

okay hey carl carl carl slow down a

little bit go down a little bit you said

you put words in my mouth and you said

that i said that memes imminently like

as a fact of their metaphysical

existence their scientific natural

constitution the electrons and the

[ __ ] uh photons that go into their

projection on the screen or the material

that they're made out of in real life

like metaphysically speaking are already

latent with meaning rather than the fact

that there are is always a meaning for

us which is embedded

and entwined

within our world of meaning as human

beings

right when did i say that a meme as

you're trying to imply is inherently and

imminently

um

metaphysically loaded with the mean

substance in quotes holy [ __ ] did you

delete the vod

no i didn't

okay let's find it

give me the exact quote too

we're waiting

it's loading

because i wrote it down and those words

that i said you objected to so so i'm

going to play it back to you

yeah

what did you write down

the title of the clip

to cultural and unconscious realities

no i did say that it just seems like you

don't know what that means that doesn't

mean that a piece of music or a picture

is metaphysically loaded like with some

magical meme substance it's all about

the context and meaning ascribed to it

the burden of proof lies upon you

that in the context of

the meaning being conveyed

as far as that song stood that i was dog

whistling to the alt-right that burden

of proof lies upon you the fact that the

alt-right

read your mind

is this some why would you make the

assault but why why did you claim that i

was using that song as an alt-right meme

if you can't know it

i i actually didn't say that what did

you say no what did you say

you're playing an alt-right meme wait

hold on is bloom chen the artist is she

a member of the alt-right she's the

artist of the song

why not she made the song so is she a

member of the alt right

nope

that's not the cultural context in which

this became a meme

well okay so so at what time period did

any use of this song become an alt-right

meme

after what time period

about 2004 okay so after 2004 anyone who

listens to this song or enjoys this song

or is interested in this song

is basically a member of the alt-right

no i don't think so well the song became

imminently and inherently like

essentially an alt-right meme after 2004

is that what you're saying i think it's

funny as hell that's what i think

after 2004 you're saying that

this became an alt-right mean yes

yes

when did the alt-right come into

existence

it was in its proto

evolution okay let's look let's look up

the term alt-right

all

2014 maybe oh so you're saying that

someone took a time machine and and

went back to 2004 because you completely

reject dialectics hold up what is wait

we're kidding wait hold on okay okay are

you forgetting your theory come on wait

wait wait what does that have to do with

dialectics the alt-right didn't exist in

2004

the group of people and what they did in

the cultural

you know the genesis of the alt-right

existed no one did it

no it didn't it existed in the dialect

no that's literally not true that's

demographically not true the alt-right

actually formed out of discontented

we don't have to bring up dialectics

right now and don't worry we're going to

get the dialect dialectic mean pause

we're going to get the dialectics when

we talk about leptism you said that we

should ignore we should ignore chapo's

stupid memes and focus on their theory

and i want to get to your theory tell us

what dialectic well you keep

interrupting you stupid [ __ ] you dumb

[ __ ] you worthless [ __ ] brainless

stupid little [ __ ] because you keep

[ __ ] interrupting me and he won't let

demographically came out of discontented

former occupy ideologists and those

groups their age in 2004 they weren't

even [ __ ] old enough to constitute

the alt-right at that time wrong no it's

not wrong on the ground and occupy not

all

not all white nationalists were

alt-right white nationalism has existed

since like

you know at least

well and it depends you could say 100

years you could say half a century

whatever

you know since birth of the nature even

before then whatever i don't care what

period you put on this

nazism thank you okay was hitler an

alt-righter

he existed within the dialectic of the

alt-right

okay since you're mentioning dialectics

what does that mean concretely because i

actually i'm going to call your bluff

that you don't know what the [ __ ] you're

talking about come on no no what but

i'll let you out

the burden of you is to explain what you

mean you said something you said it is

it was part of the dialectical uh

history of the alt-right what does that

mean concretely

you have the

existence

of a thing as you observe it today

you you've you look at

what

it its context in culture and history

you look at what it will become

you can you consider the the truth

behind the thing okay

let me stop you right there

you just said a bunch of meaningless

word salad [ __ ] diarrhea [ __ ]

actually what you're implying since i'm

gonna like spit it out for you because

you don't even have two [ __ ] brain

cells to rub together to express what

you actually intend to what you actually

mean to say is that the alt-right is an

eternal platonic form that has existed

forever as an uncreated divine existence

since the beginning of creation so to

speak and that it has merely evolved in

different ways across time and history

and context but that's precisely the

opposite of dialectics dialectic says

that there's a dialectic of content and

form which means that forms don't exist

forever in the same form there's a

dialectic such that forms disappear and

they arise and they disappear and they

arise such as the only real essence that

survives across history is precisely the

contradiction itself

that's what dialectics is

so so you and i both said something that

is wildly different from the definition

but yet both of them

inhabit the essence of the definition

which is

the metaphysical contradictions

and the solutions okay how how does

dialectics justify the claim that hitler

participated in the alt-right

well because of the cultural influence

of the right the cultural influence of

nationalism fascism and all these

related topics

within the alt-right but but you're

saying imminently speaking

you're saying imminently speaking like

hitler himself was part of the alt-right

no

you said that

okay so it was hitler part of the

alt-right or not imminently speaking

no

okay so now he's not okay we got that so

why is bloom chin's music imminently

speaking part of the alt-right after

2004 as you said because it was co-opted

but that has nothing to do with

imminence

you know what imminence means

i clearly don't cause you keep using

that word can you google it for me

google the word imminence on google

that's called how do you spell that i m

a n

a and c i think or e and c

yeah that's not a [ __ ] word uh you

you want imminence

imminence

or a n

nce

look it up

that's why both of those come up as

words that's interesting okay i because

my autocorrect put me i don't give a

[ __ ] can you read it right nice nice

uh the doctrine or theory of eminence

holds that the divine encompasses or is

manifest no look up the definition of

the not don't look up the doctrine of

imminence on wikipedia look up what

imminence means the definition of being

inherent exclusively existing within

something

okay

so it basically means

that something is within itself

not taken from an external perspective

yeah and i keep saying no and you don't

believe me

okay but you just said that after 2000

you said a number of things you said one

the alt-right existed in 2004 two

that any use of the word any use of the

song by bloom chan after 2004 was

imminently an alt-right mean no i did

not use those words what did you say

specifically

i said it was co-opted by the alt-right

wait wait but if i

rewind and i when i said

when did it imminently become i asked

you when did it imminently become an

alt-right meme and you said after 2004

basically answering the question which

was loaded with the assumption that it

was

an error you had a sneaky you made an

error because you're a little [ __ ] and

you're a [ __ ] and i [ __ ] dominated

you you've got your ninja adjectives and

you want to redefine your definition so

we don't i don't listen listen listen

carl carl carl your skull i'm in your

skull right now your skull there's a

hole in your skull right now and i'm

making myself comfortable there

you understand carl

sorry what

of course you understand

now carl let's get back to the point

if it's not true which is not what

you're claiming

that the song is not imminently an

alt-right meme why are you justified in

making the assumption

what we've resolved this right we've

resolved this no we haven't resolved it

yet carl

you said after 2004

it became an alt-right

what does that mean does co-op mean

imminently change the substance of the

song itself

so if that's not what it means how can

you be justified in attributing

any

use of the song to be a dog whistle to

the so-called alt-right which we

actually haven't established even

existed

at that time in history

i i justify it by my existence here

today

what does that mean i'd like to i'd like

to thank uh the chinese communist party

for planning to build 160 nuclear

reactors in china yeah nuclear is based

but they're not eliminating oil

you know that right well

they have no plans to that they will

reduce oil use okay but they have no

plans on eliminating it because they

care for their citizens they actually

care for them well they just want to

reduce pollution for their own citizens

and you need to reduce oil consumption

so carl carl carl you're pivoting really

hard and we're still we still haven't uh

gotten to where you can justify making

that clip that you did you asked me

about my justification and it's in the

utility of being here

what does that mean

it's in the utility of being here

it's your justification is in the use of

being here

yes

how how does that make any sense

i'm telling you i'm a [ __ ] climber

man

that's what i'm telling you you're a

clown's chaser oh you did it for

attention

yes i'm admitting i'm fully conceding

the point of the debate that is the

entire point

oh so you're just going to surrender and

submit to me like a [ __ ] no no that

that's that that was the entire

justification the whole time

was to come on the show

right

so you also take back the thing about uh

how attacking other leftists

i i don't really [ __ ] care about

chapo i i really don't like them

okay

so carl

i don't know what sense of manhood you

had before coming on here but i just

took your manhood

which means which means carl carl

your magic juju juice that's like you

know like if you feel like you know you

have some kind of swagger around women

before

if you had any

i took it all i took it all from you

i took it all from you

which means now which means now you

don't have an ounce of manhood left in

your body and in your soul oh no oh no

yeah

are you single

i'm married

you're married your wife's gonna cheat

on when you when are you moving in after

this debate your wife's cheating on you

trust me

with you

can i not watch no

oh [ __ ]

but i'm just telling you she's gonna

cheat on you after this debate you lost

your manhood

you know that can happen right you can

lose your manhood

what if it happened before

i bet it did happen before but whatever

bit of it you regained you lost

entirely

and it's not going to come back

all right

infrared and carl's manhood there we go

how old are you carl so are you i'm old

which is which means what

older than 40. so where'd you share that

clip

um i think i shared it

[ __ ] where did i share it i think i

shared it on dgg

really you shared it on dgg wait and

you're a leftist

uh i'm an

independent so you're not a leftist

i don't know i i don't really know what

that means are you a socialist

um

i'm not

really clear what that means oh you're

like an indecisive [ __ ] you can't just

own up to anything this really sucks is

what i know wait so i know okay you're a

lefty right so you went in virtue signal

to dgg who hate you people

not as much as i do but they [ __ ]

hate you people

and your people hate them and you went

and begged them my people you went to go

beg to suck their dick

just to come at me

so much for left unity carl

are you a leftist is is that your does

your definition of leftism include both

me and you

uh i hate american leftists and canadian

ones

i mean i i've men and british ones ccp

usa and and they were pretty nice to me

they talked to me about nuclear it was

really based oh they they the ccp usa

here in seattle talked to me about

nuclear there's no such thing as the ccp

usa

uh the communist party in the usa the

people who the cp usa the the falun gong

oh is that they're not related to the

chinese party so chinese communism is

different from american communism

the cpusa is a changing party so i don't

know it's not related to the chinese

communist party so they're different

yeah it is it's part of the same

international uh affiliation

okay

okay that that's clear

so nuclear is your ultimate culp

right because otherwise we're going to

[ __ ] uh fill up the atmosphere with

uh carbon dioxide we're going to be

above uh 500 ppm and we're going to get

like you know oh you know exactly how

the climate works do you know exactly

how the climate works

i don't know exactly i know a [ __ ] of a

lot for someone who plays i don't think

you know anything about how the climate

works i i know of a [ __ ] of a lot about

how the climate works i don't think you

do

can you tell me what a senkey diagram is

yeah i don't think people who know what

sankey diagrams know how the climate

works either can you tell me how albedo

works no

can you tell me how infrared

radiation works

uh actually

i do know a little bit about that

oh good

i'm happy for you uh so yeah so so when

in when heat travels to

the ground level of earth and then

becomes heat and then becomes emitted

into the upper atmosphere

what prevents it from escaping into

space

um carbon dioxide

that's what it is yeah but

no yeah i get that it's just that i just

think people don't really know as much

about the climate as they think they do

like is it not a giant chemistry set is

it not like we're all here on this one

earth

with

the atmosphere contained by gravity

and all circulating around

i do i do recognize there's a measurable

climate change and a warming of the

climate change and that it makes sense

that there's a man-made uh

contribution to that

but

i don't think people really know

what if there's countervailing

tendencies

if there's other factors we're just not

aware of if our assumptions about the

nature of thermodynamics can hold water

forever i just you know i'm more

open-minded i just don't think you know

everything

we we have conducted an experiment where

we have raised the co2 content of our

atmosphere

and the temperature has traveled with it

since 1850 yeah i get that

no i get that i get that but

i get that the temperature has been

rising corresponding

to um

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the uh

emission of carbon dioxide into the

atmosphere i get that

but

and by the way i'm not i'm not even like

literate on anti-climate

anti-uh sorry

so-called climate denial i don't even

know the other side of the story is what

i'm trying to say so i'm just rolling

with the assumption

i'm just rolling with the assumption

that the the the predominant narratives

are correct right i'm not even

challenging them but even with that

i don't think you know enough to say

that that's simply the end of the story

that it's just the climate's just going

to continue to heat up

and it's going to heat up to a breaking

point that will lead to the complete

apocalypse of everything on earth i mean

there's you know have you are you aware

of

but that's not actually what the

literature says

and we just had a new report that came

out this year

it's called the ipcc

wg6

sorry wg2 a r6 that's wg2 ar6 yeah

i would i would tell your chat about it

if i wasn't banned in chat i would post

a link but i'm banned in your phone you

can't post links anyway so shut the [ __ ]

up and stop bitching about it describe

it to your chat and then they could go

[ __ ] google it

okay

so

what what about this report is relevant

to what i said

because it describes the systems it

describes uh the the agreement in

evidence uh it shows us what parts of

the world

that there's strong evidence for climate

change resulting in weather pattern

changes and what parts of the world are

okay did i deny that climate change has

a man-made contribution

you said that we didn't understand i

don't think we understand the full

effects it's going to have on the

climate or about how the climate works

all we know is that the

heat

all we know is that there has been an

accelerant

um supposedly there has been an

accelerant on

within the past 200 years since the

industrial revolution in the heating of

the planet that's what we know we don't

know like what the full implications and

consequences of that we don't know the

uh

we don't know like

where that fits within the climate as a

whole

we know that if we allow the climate to

warm

more than 1.5 degrees to two to about

two degrees hotter than before the

industrial revolution we will lose the

last 10

of the uh coral reefs it will go they

will go from it ninety percent lost

yeah there's too many there's too many

assumptions here that i just don't buy

sorry i just don't i'm not doing this

high evidence and high agreement in that

piece of evidence it's because and i'll

tell you exactly what it is listen

whenever whenever whenever you conduct

any signs listen whenever you conduct a

scientific uh

examination or hypothesis or theory

you're you're isolating certain

variables which you can be certain about

right

so you always have to involve a finite

number of variables my only contention

an issue is is that the earth is too

complex

to actually match and fit in a way that

you can be absolutely certain of

the models you're projecting and within

which your experiments are being

conducted and within which you're

reaching the conclusions that you are

i'm not denying

that the evidence if in the theory you

know the experiments and examinations

you're doing that there's like a

correlation between the hypothesis and

the evidence stuff but you're not

understanding that that's all finite

you don't have enough you don't have

enough information in my view

no no this is the incompleteness theorem

you're talking about no it's not the

incompleteness theory basically within a

closed system no it's not the [ __ ]

it's not the [ __ ] uh

gotel's whatever incompleteness that's

not what i'm talking about it is it is

when we are within a limited system we

have bounds to our observations and the

reproducibility that's not what it means

that's not what it means either hold on

that's not what it means either if you

try to go outside that system yes that's

not gordo's incompleteness that's not

what godot's incompleteness means nor

was that what i was referring to come on

google it for me then

uh i'm not i don't need to go google it

because i know what godot's

incompleteness is got it wrecked

all gold's incompleteness says

is that

if i remember correctly

um

there's no airtight system there's no

airtight axiomatic uh system that a

system is always going to have an

exception within it that can't be

accounted for within the system itself

that's the extent of uh that's basically

the simplification i'm familiar with

but i wasn't talking about why did you

bring up something i wasn't even talking

about

no because it's related

no it's not related the only thing i'm

trying to say is that your paradigm of

understanding the climate and the planet

may be limited or flawed

why how is it flawed

um i don't know there's so many loaded

assumptions like for example about

how the climate how the earth's uh how

the climate the earth's surface

uh the ecosystems within the earth how

all of these things work i just don't

buy the idea that scientists have

mastered this

but you do agree and the reason the

reason i don't buy it here's here's why

i can't buy

that scientist at mass for this because

i'm looking at

the explanatory value

of the paradigms they're using and being

able to explain to us

how

these things came into being in the

first place like how do ecosystems

develop in the first what's their origin

how does the climate and ecosystems and

the um the lower layers of here how do

all of these things interact i just

scientists are nowhere near a position

of being able to really understand that

there's a lot of hypothesis is there's a

lot of conflicting hypothesis

but ultimately you know they just

i don't i think when you make these like

big claims like oh the science is

showing where it's the end of the world

i don't buy it i don't think you know

enough

uh

to be able to come to those conclusions

i i certainly personally don't i do know

some scientists in

climate change who in geology in nuclear

physics uh and and i'd be happy to tell

you more about these people uh i know

i'm talking to you right now

right okay well i know that i'm not an

authority on these subjects either but i

speak to these people i sp and so i

guess you're just gonna have to trust me

bro like that's all no i'm not gonna

trust you you you already prove that you

say things just to get clout so you're

not a trustworthy or credible person

but i admitted it didn't i told the

truth and that's truth telling and

there's there's no value in your moral

system for truth-telling is that is that

you wait how do i know you're telling

the truth you do not because i told you

well

you told me that because i got you in a

corner that you couldn't get out of

no you just had to ask me you didn't

have to put me in a corner you just had

to ask but i got you in a corner you

couldn't even escape so you just

submitted it you have to show up here i

actually rearranged my sky that's that's

like saying when like uh

when khabib has mcgregor in a [ __ ]

headlock or something and he taps out

that

that that that mcgregor was being honest

mcgregor was being honest about tapping

that's great yeah he didn't have a

choice dude

you have nothing on me in a headlock you

you barely have like three times the

followers that i do on twitter uh i

don't really stream on twitch i mean

you've got a twitch following but i hell

i roll with some of these streamers just

like you i'm happy with my position i

didn't need to be here i'm happy to be

but you said the only reason you're here

you said you said the entire reason for

your actions was to be here

right

and you put me on and i thank you for

your platform and hey if you unban me

i'll give you a three month sub

i don't want a three month sub from you

how about a six month sub no i don't

want anything from you okay

that's fine

that's it that's really pathetic that

you're offering me money too

yeah

it's your choice you could we gotta make

great content together man no we're not

gonna make any con we're not making any

content together i'll be on tiberius d's

channel later tonight

i don't know who the [ __ ] that is

that's all right he was here before you

okay

so

you're still coping about the fact that

you know oil is not going anywhere right

uh i know that definitely we will uh we

will pretty much burn the environment

out before oil is gone when do you think

that's gonna happen

uh i i don't think it's gonna happen

because i think we're building enough

clean energy to to sort of escape

uh the the heat death of the planet no

we're not we're not so the when is the

world going to end whoa whoa whoa whoa

you said you said before that you

weren't sure about this and now you're

sure no i'm operating under your

assumption right just for you

you don't even know what my assumptions

are your assumption is that the world is

going to end unless we move to cleaner

energy we're not moving

we're not moving to cleaner energy

nearly as fast enough according to your

own models so what is the world going to

end

fast enough to preserve the coral reefs

that's one thing

we need to move faster china based

building 160 nuclear reactors that's the

right speed

china probably you know to be honest

with you it's more likely that china's

pursuing alternative energy to [ __ ] the

petro dollar not

not because they believe in the doomsday

no tears for the petrol dollar we can we

can and capitalize yeah but it's it's

geopolitics it's geopolitics

i'm perfectly fine by that but yeah

anyway what i was trying to say to you

is um

assuming that you're wrong in your

optimism when is the world gonna end

oh uh probably about four billion years

from now when the sun engulfs when is

when is uh the life when is the planet

going to be uninhabitable for human

beings

in about four billion years that's when

that's not even true

like scientifically speaking that's not

when do you think the sun is going to

envelop the orbit

the earth is projected to be unhabitable

for human beings

much before it becomes enveloped by the

sun

so i don't know where you got the idea

that it's going to be four billion did

you read that in what report did you

read that in

look it up

no i i did i've read all the ipcc

reports in the last five years and there

none of that shit's in there when will

the planet be

uninhabitable for humans

um oh is it going to be like some

freaking

leftoid

conspiracy website so the planet

uh it could be as little as 150 million

years let's see

planetary habitability

um

a high obliquity would probably result

in dramatic change the climate and may

destroy the planet's habitability yeah

it's not going to be in four years dude

i mean four billion years

well that no well you asked me when it

was going to be completely uninhabitable

and i think that you know okay when when

is the climate apocalypse gonna happen

what define apocalypse come on man

it means a complete breakdown in the

world's ecosystems and the destruction

of most life on earth and all that

uh

we could

in the worst case scenario if we uh

eliminated nuclear energy and gave up on

renewable energy and started uh

quadrupling the amount of fossil fuels

produced

we might have some runaway situation and

this is in

wg3 ar6

we might see uh

something like that in

about 400 years

oh who cares then

that's a [ __ ] republican talking

point right there that's 400 years from

now who gives a [ __ ] yeah yeah who [ __ ]

gives like like i've reproduced i

certainly care have you reproduced

why but why are we all getting worked up

about why are we all getting worked up

about something that's going to happen

in 400 years under the conditions that

you have said we're going to be the

worst possible scenario

you said that would be the worst in the

worst case

it's in 400 years why are we making that

why is there so much alarmism right now

then

politics

i'm i'm guessing because that's that's

the big republican talking point is that

it's all fake uh we shouldn't be acting

so quickly we don't need to act i'm

listening to you you said under the

worst

conditions

it's going to be in 400 years what about

greta thundberg and all that [ __ ]

yeah

she said she said we're destroying the

planet

well we are

and if we destroy the planet less

quickly it'll so it's but you said on in

the worst case scenario we're going to

destroy it in 400 years right but we're

still we're slowly destroying the planet

you know do you know what a budget is

do you have to budget your money or you

you another yeah you know i'm saying

[ __ ] the planet i don't give a [ __ ]

about the planet but we we were all

supposed to care because this is gonna

happen like in five years or something

right

uh well so the the five years or the

twelve years thing that's 20 30. that's

not actually the deadline that's the

first benchmark date and this is what a

lot of people when's the deadline wrong

the deadline well okay so there's kind

of a deadline by 2050. let's say that's

the first deadline the deadlines always

change right but yeah they do there's

there's 20 50 there's 2100 and then uh

you know by 2100 if we haven't figured

this [ __ ] out uh we're probably not

going to be able to change our trajec

trajectory yeah but i'm going to be dead

by then right and so is everyone here

yeah i i think i'm going to be dead by

2050.

okay

uh i don't care

and

so

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chatter donated five dollars do you know

why russia and china don't care okay

here's a good question thank you chatter

to have all of their most populated

[ __ ] cities on the coastlines the

planet will be fine the people are

[ __ ] no but he's saying it's not true

so when are the oceans gonna rise and

swallow those coastal cities

um

it depends which coastal city you're

talking about the the most populated

ones that matter um

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at our current trajectory

uh we'll see things like uh around

between 2050 and 2100

we will see things like king tides that

cover the miami airport

king tides

yeah that's the maximum that's like a a

really big tide that happens if you if

you've ever lived on the coast you know

what a camp tide is

so

it's so miami's going to be gone 2050 to

between 2050 and 2100 no more miami

well they might still exist they just

might have to move off of the strip

right

so it's just the airport is the issue

well the airport's pretty far inland i

mean like this is like miami's moving

like uh three or four miles to the west

okay they can have miami i don't care

what about uh

what about like other cities yeah i'd

have to look it up miami's is the one i

know because it's a really good talking

point

okay

so all this so we have to stop eating

hamburgers

because in 400 years on the in the worst

case scenario

uh if you

switch your meat consumption from beef

to chicken or pork or uh you know

synthetic

substance you are massively reducing the

co2 footprint of your consumption who

cares about co2 footprint

you're well that we're talking about the

climate okay if i dig a hole in the

ground and fart in it is there no co2

going to be released and i dig the whole

i fart in the hole and i cover the whole

inconsequential if you eat four grams of

chicken

versus four grams of beef you are saving

like 90 percent of the co2 if you if you

keep using if you keep eating chicken

and who

cares okay

who cares yeah 400 years who cares i'll

be dead

freaking jim in hoffman yeah we'll

figure something out by then 400 years

he'll love this conversation we're going

to end up on the joe rogan show look

infrared

it's in 400 years we'll figure something

out before then

400 years we'll we'll be [ __ ] uh

we will have revived magic or something

i don't know 400 years a long time dude

i'm not worried about

i will find a way to survive in 400

years

i'm not i'm not like down with the

fairies and dragons i mean i'm a nerd

but i don't think it's real man yeah but

we're probably going to like

rediscover we're probably going to like

rewrite everything we know about

electromagnetism and nuclear science and

you know all this kind of physics it'll

be too late it'll still no our

understanding of physics as we know it

will be completely

changed by that

that's a wild thing to hope no it's not

i'll use you we don't even know anything

about electromagnetism we stole the

thermodynamics all the stuff we take for

granted we actually don't they're not

actually consistent did you oh do you

believe in the second law of

thermodynamics

i read your stuff and uh man this gets

me so heated i i just do you actually

believe in the second law of

thermodynamics

it's it is pretty well established man

then it doesn't line up with the um

inconsistencies between statistical

thermodynamics

and uh practical thermodynamics

have you ever been to

the ligo facility

no is there big [ __ ] there's the

place

it is it is not far from where i live i

in fact had a live stream from ligo a

while ago it is a place where

we use the fundamental forces of the

universe to detect colliding black holes

that's i don't care there's no such

thing

if you think that the second law of

thermodynamics is [ __ ]

[ __ ] you should go talk to those

engineers it has been disproven

no you you gotta go talk to the people

who are actually using it every day to

do science because no you you have to

explain it to me okay tell them to come

on

tell them to come in vc and explain it

to me i'm not gonna go to them who are

they [ __ ] busy who are they they

probably believe in jeans they probably

think jeans are real

yeah they probably do yeah [ __ ] dumb

asses what do i care what they think

yeah

cool

probably think mendel is still uh

correct

what

yeah exactly mendel mendeloid

what

yeah exactly we really think mendel was

like a real scientist and he was writing

i think i remember mendicino i remember

california i i don't want to go back

there

you probably think mendel is correct

what

are you talking about the scientist

mendel yes

oh

what

he was disproven long ago

i i've this is some weird [ __ ] trash

talk man gregor mendel what the [ __ ] was

full of [ __ ]

i i don't doubt it

yeah

and you you you actually believe in

science like you you think these

scientists know what they're talking

about don't you

uh i believe i don't believe people i

believe evidence and so the person shows

the evidence uh i tend to

sympathize with them i tend to have you

seen the evidence of the inconsistencies

of the second law of thermodynamics

i have not have you oh look it up

no i have you yes i have and who who

showed it to you and and how did that

how did they go thank you

i've seen the evidence myself

i've seen the inconsistencies myself

is it is an experiment experiment that

you can repeat

yes

is it something like from zerka because

i brought people experience experiment

to him and he [ __ ] flip wouldn't even

hear it what experiment

uh you you you launch a drone at sunset

and you can get a double sunset

so and and that proves the earth is

round

okay

and

you think lysenko was wrong

i have no idea

okay

and you you believe in like the big bang

and stuff right

uh i think that

we have some point in the past in

history

where we cannot observe past because

yeah so how can you say that that's the

beginning of the universe

i i don't say it's the beginning of the

universe i say it's the beginning of the

observable you probably believe in the

multiverse theory

uh i don't know

i i'm not sure about uh

the different models of quantum

mechanics i i watch a little bit of pbs

space time and there's like

whether or not you can do faster than

light data transmission using these and

and it it seems like

uh like multiverse would mean that

that's impossible do you even know what

the ultraviolet catastrophe is

the

ultraviolet are you talking about like

the uh

the the

phantom gravity collapse or whatever

that is the ultra violet catastrophe

you don't even know what it is

i i mean

have you have you heard half the [ __ ]

that i'm talking about i mean

measuring dicks now

yeah you're just the fake scientist so

you know what they're talking about

this is a wild one okay what is the

origin of the discovery of the so-called

uh the uh this the

nuclear

orbiting atoms

what's the origin of

atoms being conceived as or okay first

of all do you think electrons are real

yeah show me an electron show me i'm not

sure i i saw this stream i saw the

stream was boring as [ __ ] uh i i i can

talk to you about nuclear i can talk

about nuclear yeah we're talking about

atoms right now you think electrons are

real when nuclear fission was discovered

how it was discovered all that stuff

that's my specialty you you know what is

an electron define it uh

an electron is a fundamental particle

that's a part of the atom that's a

composition of three quarks

uh has a negative one unit charge uh

relative to the positrons positive one

unit charge is a ma a really really

small mass like basically it's like

[ __ ] pocket change to an atom is how

small its mass is so what is the

electron itself

it's a composition of

no it's not a composition you can't say

when you divide something and manipulate

it that it's a composition of the result

and atoms all atoms are are compositions

of subatomic particles and all those

subatomic yeah the particle you're these

you still have an atomic paradigm of

atoms which

proves to me you don't even know what

you're talking about those are

compositions of quarks so that i mean

this is particles quarks are you so

quarks

are not imminent existences they're a

result of measurements just like atoms

themselves as well as all the subatomic

particles you and me are the result of

measurements

no we're not the result of measurements

you dumb [ __ ] that's what you don't

that's what you scientists don't

understand we are not the results of

measurements web camera and that web

camera is

presenting yeah i am not reducible to

the [ __ ] camera second of all no the

the camera does not constitute a

measurement

the camera does not constitute no it

doesn't okay a measurement is an

intervention in reality it doesn't it's

not simply a way of uh you know like

recording or reflecting as a mirror the

true nature of reality it literally

intervenes in reality and changes it

i'm sorry i'm writing the marker a

camera

is an intervention

not a measurement

no the opposite the camera and

measurement is an intervention

a camera is not a measurement until it's

placed within the context of

an experiment or some kind of

measurement of reality by a subjective

human being imminently speaking a camera

is not a measurement of anything

the product of that camera is a

measurement

that's what i'm talking about no keep up

no

the product insofar as it serves as a

measurement

the output of the web camera is how i am

seeing you that doesn't make it a

measurement you dumb [ __ ]

a measurement begins and ends somewhere

for usually for a reason for a specific

reason

your nose ends at my eyes no

that's not that doesn't constitute a

[ __ ] measurement that doesn't

constitute a measurement okay when you

put your hands over your eyes do you

even know what a measurement is

an observation and measurement isn't the

[ __ ] perception you dumbass

measurements are measured in abstract

quantities that's what a measurement

means

i'm going to quantize you how do you

think that you're not quantifying me

that's why it's not a [ __ ]

measurement

because you're perceiving me the camera

works the ccd

captures photons quantizes them and

codes them transmits them over the

internet that's how all of this works

yeah that doesn't imminently make it a

measurement

oh

you're imminent

yeah

it's only measured it's only a

measurement when it's being measured by

someone

is imminent like your safe word for like

i don't know what i'm talking about i

usually have to use that word for

scientart we don't understand

that the way they describe reality and

reality itself aren't actually the same

thing

i think you're hiding behind that word

can you get through a stream without

using the word imminent

uh can you get through a stream without

being a soy little [ __ ]

i am that's what i am not one's in the

chat if he's not you are the shod

i am the soy

you are so i have an emo i was i was

designated soy i have the domain

soyadol.com you type in soyal.com right

now you will come to me on the stream

talking to you right now i am yeah you

don't have to you don't you don't you

don't have to persuade us of that don't

worry

you don't have to persuade us of that

so

is science a cope for all of like the

things in life that lets you so we are

an atheist right

yeah

and science is basically how you find

meaning in the world after you lost it

all

no i think i have fun i i think think

there's a lot do you think reality is

meaningless

no i think it has a great deal of

meaning i think like you know

actions have great meaning how does it

have meaning

well we're

talking to one another what's the

meaning of being here

in reality

in reality what's the meaning of reality

what's the meaning of all creation and

all being meaning of reality reality is

it is it is what i perceive and it is

what what i

get out of the world is that i exist and

i think and i am

and here i am

it is what does that mean what does that

mean what i observe

it is

it is the the now it is the

what's his face the um

the

i forget that writer

that talked about the

uh basically memes basically the origin

of memes is is what is now it's what

what's happening what's it we're

interacting we're producing something

we we are that is real what does that

mean

i just explained it to you so this is

your metaphysical absolute a bunch of

word salad nonsense this is your god i

was not i was i'm not an expert in

metaphysics like you clearly are yeah

well you well i'll tell you what you are

you're basically like a guy who

takes for granted everyone else's uh

metaphysical assumptions and you just

take that to be like a holy religious

truth

i don't think that metaphysical

assumptions are genuinely so

make you feel comfy and secure that like

you know the world and you're safe from

it because you know it i think that

science lets me know

that if i don't slow down before i get

to the bottom of the hill i'm gonna

[ __ ] die

that's what that's so who cares what's

the meaning of life why does life matter

why is life worth living why should we

fear death life matters because

i know that i will not exist beyond

death i will not have a memory who cares

hold on who cares

i don't care

why

because i exist

so what

i have survival because i i have this um

you know not just instinctive but

intellectual interest in surviving

why

because i want to why

i'm telling you i want to survive why

why because

otherwise there is nothing

and there's nothing anyway you're just

admitting there's nothing anyway no i

either something [ __ ] exists right

now

what is this

uh the microphone in front of me the

mouse

so your whole life is for the microphone

um no i i mean it is becoming a lot of

fun it's it's definitely enjoyable and

uh

and i thank you for this time this has

been uh

so let me let me let me tell you what

you don't live because of a survival

instinct or because you just want to or

for an intellectual reason you live

because you serve a cause

unconsciously you are blindly devoted to

and are unable to even articulate on

explicit terms

because you're basically like a soy [ __ ]

like you believe in the mainstream

ideology of our ruling society

but you lack the necessary

capacity of criticism

to even know

what it is you're living for

and i have been you know just

brainwashed by the mainstream society

and i need to you know rise up and

follow the infrared infrared is rising

all that stuff

in order to cure myself of this brain no

i just think you should be honest about

what it is you really do believe in

what what do you suppose that is

what do you believe in

yeah what do you think

i think you believe in

you believe you here's what you believe

in

you believe in

the authority

of

the institutions that rule our society

i i kind of don't like

the authority of the institutions like

i'm i like i i live less than a quarter

mile from the chaz from the the capitol

hill protest here in seattle yeah i see

so wait what do you think about let's

talk about that what do you think of

chas

uh well first you have to understand the

origins of chaz uh it was a police

walkout

and we found the evidence

there was an evidence that the um you

know chief

best uh basically

walked out delegated to a lieutenant and

the lieutenant basically said okay

we're gonna move all the evidence out of

the east precinct uh and then at some

point

the command came down because he didn't

want to [ __ ] allow protesters in

front of the east precinct

uh and he he threw a

maga fit

and said that it was unacceptable and

then they decided uh as a unit as a

force unit to

to evacuate the east precinct uh and the

lieutenant on staff i forget his dumb

name uh

he used the justification of the arson

threat uh and later on uh there actually

was an arson attempt uh and my community

my community prevented that arson from

taking that building because that's our

building because our taxes paid for it

is a community yeah okay the the cops

left so what do you think about chad's

the capitol hill autonomous zone

uh i i think it was a a little me like

the name

autonomous zone yeah was literally a

meme and was meaningless

but what do you think about the the

garden they made

oh uh i'm i met farmer he's he's a

decent dude

they said the garden this garden is for

black and indigenous people only and

they're plant allies

i didn't hear well okay allies that was

the sign they had it

i i didn't see that sign and i met

farmer and so i'm sure that like do you

think it was a good farm

no i just knew him by the by the

nickname farmer

uh

so

what about the lynching of two black

teenagers

there was no lynching

there was

there was gunfire and there was were

they not shot and killed

there was one execution by an unknown

individual and there was one uh personal

conflict uh outside of the ball field

actually just wait the two black

teenagers were in the car and were

killed iv chassis

yes that was the ex well we don't know

who it was there was two executions

yeah

no the in the car the second person

survived uh and i think that we found uh

i think we found the person they were

from uh south of seattle they weren't

even a seattle resident the person who

who did the mur the merc killing of

those kids who who drove through the

ball we i actually saw the footage and

it was literally the chas

i would love a link to that i would love

it yeah they were they had guns they

were walking around with their rifles

and they covered for each other after it

happened sounds like

different unrelated footage

i saw the footage of the car when after

he died and they were all huddled around

him

and they had guns on them

love to see it

you you could you could i can't show it

on stream because it's tos no you can't

so you're denying the lynchings are you

so you deny lynchings now i don't think

it was uh can you call it a lynching yes

can you actually call it yes because it

was a bunch of white people in jazz

definitely literally executed black

teenagers from outside the community

lynching define lynching

a racially motivated execution of two

black

individuals of a black person is a

lynching any any execution any racially

motivated yes

uh i don't know if it was racially

motivated yeah it was

i i don't know how i can prove it

go ahead

because the culture of leftists and tifa

is from white people and when outsiders

who are black came because they came

from a different culture and didn't care

about their dumb you know [ __ ]

they um

they executed him

as an outsider

just like in the old times you're

telling me you're telling me that

they didn't kill farmer

they killed someone else

yeah

okay

i mean this is this is wild this is like

i'm talking to lauren southern again

um

well she would be more honest than you

are then that much is very clear

if you say so

this is wild stuff man

yeah um

as we can see you are very willing to

tear down other leftists and that's why

we started this conversation and i'm

glad that why why do i owe anything to

other leftists that's what i want to

know it's like why do i owe anything to

them

well if if you are here for the

revolution

wait wait wait

what what revolution were you are you

talking about which one

the the difference the jazz one

the defeat of capitalism

you're either here for the defeat of

capitalism

okay what does the defeat of capitalism

mean what is it

what does the defeat of capitalism look

like in real life what does that look

like

oh in real life

yeah

that's that's a great question i think

that uh we would have uh

very little political influence from

uh from people who hold

capital okay

carl carl from a to b

from a to b from a to b

you said these people i'm attacking are

the decisive elements who are going to

lead oh no to the defeat of god you're

trying to [ __ ] ninja in

an adjective that i didn't use okay you

said that i i if i'm for the revolution

yes that i would not be attacking other

leftists

uh i think that you would support them

in some limited yeah okay

so and you define the which implies that

these other people are necessary for

said revolution and said revolution

they are contributing to the they're

contributing to the revolution sure and

said revolution means the defeat of

capitalism so i want to know how you get

how are you getting from a to b in what

way are they contributing to the defeat

of capitalism that's a different

question how are we going to get to the

revolution and i actually what

you hold on no carl you said if i was

for the so-called revolution which we're

implying is a real thing not something

that exists in thin air

that

i would not be attacking other leftists

right

my question is how

that's it

how can that be true

because if you are

dismantling the seeds of the revolution

you are controlled opposition

what can you prove to me that these are

seeds of the revolution in the first

place

is not

every

every revolutionary act a seed of the

revolution

uh

what would you define as a revolutionary

act

holding a space

and ejecting

imperialist okay

holding a spade that's a good example

like chaz right

so

holding a space

in no way in no way

constitutes

as far as i can see a revolutionary act

it does not contribute to the defeat of

capitalism in any meaningful sense

people told me you were a class

reductionist i told them they were liars

and now i feel like a fool i feel like

you know holding all praxis hostage for

a violent revolution is just disgusting

it is actually controlled opposition it

is going to

defeat listen you are the one who

introduced the phrase

revolution into this conversation so i'm

just trying to understand

what the [ __ ] we're talking about you

pretend you're a revolutionary but i

think you're controlled opposition

i think you're um

i'm a conservative revolutionary

um

is that different from a color

revolution

uh no it just basically means that i

don't see revolution as a voluntary act

i see it as an imminent fact of

reality itself that there are

revolutions in the forces of production

and that political revolutions

are the way in which that social

revolution in the forces of production

find expression

uh so far as the state is concerned

and

taken in that sense

a so-called revolution is a very

conservative affair

it doesn't involve some kind of like

voluntary you know or occupying a space

or maybe doing some melodrama it

involves having a correct insight into

the reality that actually already exists

what do you do

in your revolution

you're saying words and you're not

saying what you do well the the idea is

that you

you want to continue interrupting me

go ahead

the idea that you do the idea that

didn't hear anything you said the idea

that you do something for the revolution

implies that you're not already doing

stuff right so it's a matter of you're

already doing things so

what things are you gonna do and what

things are you not gonna do and actually

not doing the things that you're already

doing are just as

meaningful as doing something from

scratch

in other words

in my gaming chair i'm a revolutionary

well would you prefer if i move the

gaming chair to uh chas and sit and sit

in chas instead

hold the rifle don't

if i don't

move if i don't go to work i'm a

revolutionary

to be honest if americans didn't go to

work

that would be a political revolution 100

rise up

i mean literally it's literally true if

americans just stopped going to work

that would lead

to a revolutionary situation hundred

percent you're saying that all gamers

are all right so basically you're

you're you're bad jacketing all of your

potential revolutionaries

why you know what bad jacketing is

i didn't say gamers i said white male

devs

encoders in general are the demographic

of the alt-right so that one one of you

come and accuse me of being alt-right

who's an arab from metro detroit

you know you're shooting yourself in the

foot

i didn't introduce

i didn't begin this by accusing you of

being

would we begun this by you accusing me

of that

no no incorrect i accused you of using

an alt-right meme

yeah and you conceded and said that you

only did it for cloud

right that's right

yeah so

you talk about words like revolution but

they don't actually mean anything in

real life

it it it means the defeat of capitalism

which we didn't really get to you wanted

to talk so even even then

even when you're pressed to even define

what that means you can only define it

negatively

i it means the defeat of the thing i've

convinced myself

i don't like okay what is capitalism on

what is capitalism capitalism is the you

know using uh

monetary value or some other thing

in order to acquire a means of

production which you leased to a worker

and then you require that worker to to

to give you a product of their labor

in order to continue accessing the means

of production

that's why that's capitalism

i just talked about the means of

production

i don't i i heard that but i didn't i

don't see how that's capitalism

specifically

i used money to buy a thing and said hey

if you work on this thing you give me

most of the value that you make that's

not true continue to have a job

yeah but that's actually not what

capitalism is

oh tell me what capitalism is

so first capital just means

money you use money to make more money

through commodities

it's very simple right that's what

capital is the

generation of more money than you

started out with through the use of

commodities that's what capitalism is

one stock market

that's what you know

so you know that cat you know that's

capital capitalism is when stock market

that's capital means

something that generates more money than

it started that was inputted inside of

it yes i i think we

we we arrived at the same definition but

i was trying to use really simple words

no you didn't because you you implied

you implied that in order for completely

you implied that in order for there to

be capital

like there always has to be the

hiring of workers or whatever that's not

true

there's forms of capital that exists

what no show me show me how capitalism

survives without workers

obviously you need workers in the

aggregate

sense of the word capitalism but

that's just not specific enough or

simple enough to describe what

capitalism is

i i think that's the fundamental basis

for describing capitalism because

without workers capitalism would it's

not and here's why here's why because

labor is something that's always existed

and all you need to do to understand the

place of labor within capitalism is

apply the same simple concept so if

capital if a capitalist society

is one in which production occurs or

economic activity occurs primarily for

the purpose of producing money for the

sake of money

then in this case

you could just say labor

serves as a commodity through which the

laborer is going to earn money or

the capitalist through the labor is

going to earn money it's one in which

the labor becomes a commodity labor

itself becomes a commodity and it

becomes a commodity because the prime

want of life so to speak is not labor

it's money right so

you don't need to

have it be as complex as you said all

you have to say

is

capitalism is one in which

capital

or the pursuit of profit and the pursuit

of money

is the primary want of life and the

economic life in general

that's capitalism

capitalism is when money

um yeah it sounds like you didn't listen

to what i said so i because you said a

lot you're just the bad student good

things you you you had a lot of

disjointed words what exactly was

disjointed okay okay have you read

marx's capital money is the thing of

life do you know what mcm is

got no idea about mca is does it sound

like meaningless and disjointed to you

it uh right now yes okay good because

it's actually uh

it was actually it's actually a formula

actually yeah yeah it's actually a

formula invented by marx

karl marx i don't know if the other guy

he invented the formula mcm to describe

what capital is

and it means money commodity

and more money money with a

little thing on the end of it

so

that's like a very basic thing in

marxism right

okay

so it's not just money as you're

implying i said

it's economic activity

for the purpose set in motion to produce

more money

right and how is that different from

using the product of someone's labor i

mean i i just define the same because

it's inessential because it's

inessential

everything is put into use why is money

essential to capitalism

why because money is the actual ends of

capitalism not the the hiring of labor

explain to me a company company town

then

everything is for-profit in a company

town

the whole reason there's a company town

is because it secures better profits

it's all for money and profit

but you don't actually get legal tender

you don't give legal tender to the

worker you you get the products

i understand but it's the reason for

that is because it saves

costs with within for the company to

ultimately produce more profit for

itself

why is it but what if the company is

just digging a hole why does it need to

involve money

what are you talking then it wouldn't be

a company

it would just be an association of hole

diggers

who are doing it for unknown reasons i

don't know

okay all right all right very

interesting economic theory

are you stupid or something like what

are you clearly clearly what do you mean

why don't they just dig a hole do you

even know what a company is dude

why is

a company the definition of a company

and therefore the definition of

capitalism and by you dependent on the

existence of money

of course

money is essential to capitalism

i do not see that or understand why it's

because capital itself

capital itself can be defined by the

formula mcm

which is money commodity using that

money to invest in a commodity the

selling of that commodity to produce

more money than you started out with

and how is what i said not redefining

money

how have you redefined money

i i said it was a thing i just left it

at that i said a thing

to get a to get a beans of production to

give to the worker and then you take the

workers

the value that they produce and you you

take keep most why does that happen if

we accept your botched and wrong

description of how it happens

why does it happen

words it clearly is botched so you're

saying capitalists just want the value

for

like explicitly or consciously

what do capitalists want what is a

capital less want

capitalist wants to increase

their value

without expending

personal labor

that's not true at all

oh

is it

it that's a small capitalist can just be

someone who

doesn't hire any labor and is still a

capitalist you know that right

and they're not exploiting anyone

how how are you how are the exploitation

is um you're using it in a morally

charged way how how are you you how are

you a capitalist without labor

because you are small capitalists so

you're producing things and you're

selling them

you're trading stocks and you're a

capitalist and downstream of those

stocks you're telling me there's no

labor if you're making a business where

you're not hiring anyone it's still a

business

you're a small capitalist still there's

still downstream labor involved

is warren buffett not a capitalist

according to you absolutely is and

there's still labor involved in his

holdings

what labor

warren buffett you're seriously like

the

pacific energy corporation there's labor

involved there

okay and the companies involved on the

stock but in that okay then by that

logic everyone's a capitalist because

there's labor involved and even even

when you buy even when you buy a pack of

toothpaste laboratories you're a

capitalist i'm a capitalist i've got a

401k

okay

you still haven't actually demonstrated

why your argument and why your

definition is better than mine

i i it's pedantic really

uh and i'd be very happy if you're

saying you're saying capitalism is when

you take the means of production from a

worker and

use it to what to take their value

when you

owning the means of production take the

value from the work for what

what for what reason does a capitalist

supposedly own the means of production

in order

oh i'm gonna thanks for the follow

okay um the capitalist

owns the means of production

um

to

entice a worker to

to ask that worker i i think you don't

understand that capitalists don't care

that much about workers they're just

using them for for a reason right

why are they using them

well you wanted me to avoid uh

inflammatory statements and so that's

why i'm trying to dance through your

hoops and if you want me to avoid not

avoid that i can just say capitalists

want to exploit workers and just say

don't you understand okay so the

ultimate ends so anyways the ultimate

ends for capitalists is just to exploit

the workers

that's the ends of their activity it is

to get value out of them to use a

non-insurance statement so you're saying

let's uh let's let's do a hypothetical

let's say

there's a factory called big al's

uh plunger factory right

and this is a

factory with 300 workers in it

okay and big al owns that factory

okay he owns that factory big house 500

pounds and he's you know he's

he's a big fat capitalist and whatever

so big al uh plunger factory

he's got three remember he's employing

300 workers right so big al

is now faced with a choice right his his

factories you know

not profitable i know that doesn't

matter but it's not profitable

what's profit it's not here is it is the

money

i don't know what's profit i guess we

have to debate about that too now what

is profit

i i mean if you want to hedge your

definition on the existence of money

that's fine

i just said it's not profitable

okay

so it's not profitable

um but he's not losing money he's just

you know he's not gaining any new money

right

not gaining as much as he should

he's not gaining and he's just he's just

getting enough to stay afloat basically

stagnating yeah so

big al is now faced with a choice

um big al has got some extra money right

one lucky day

and big al has the choice

to hire

15 new workers

right

now big al's 15 new workers

are not going to

add anything right this is going to be

15 workers and it's going to be the same

result right more or less

or let's say it will add something but

it's going to be like a negligible

edition right he's going to get like

0.1 percent more profit than he

otherwise would right

or he can use the money to get a machine

in which he's going to lay off 50

workers

now if big al is a what does it mean for

big al to be a good capitalist in this

scenario

it depends if he can afford to piss off

his workers or not because

if they are in a negotiation between

labor

and the capitalists then uh those let's

just assume there's no unions there's no

negotiations the workers are not

organized what does it mean for big al

to be a good capitalist in this scenario

which choice would he choose he would

choose to lay off workers and exactly

the same but do we have an issue here

because you just defined

uh being a capitalist you just said cap

the ultimate ends and goal of

capitalists is to exploit workers but in

this situation big al has the option to

exploit 12 more workers

and he instead of that he's choosing to

lay off 50 workers who she's no longer

going to be exploiting right so

but you agreed that big al would be a

better capitalist if he laid off the 50

workers and got the machine so how is it

the ends he's getting more value he's

getting more value this way and and

let's be clear okay how is he getting

more value that's it wait that's

interesting how is he getting more value

more exploitation yeah getting more

value

is more exploitation wait wait hold on

how is he getting more value

he's getting the same productivity

out of

250 workers he's getting more value from

those 250 workers than he got from 300

right

um

you do do you know what value is because

he's actually not

that's why there's a crisis in

capitalism according tomorrow you said

he had a choice you said he had a choice

to either maintain

his current productivity but the workers

are not going to be hold on no no wait

the workers will not be those 250

workers

to be clear the 250 workers will not be

doing anything new

okay they're not going to be like

working harder and they're not going to

be expending more energy they're going

to be working the same

way in which they did before the only

difference now is there's a new machine

that

produces more than the 50 workers before

we're able to produce and for less money

too

yep

so he's cutting costs and he's producing

more

and that value

ought to go to the workers right okay

whether it goes at all to do this or

that let's leave that on the back burner

for now let's ask the questions

is big is big al yeah i'm totally afraid

of that is big al exploiting

more or less workers after he made that

decision as a good capitalist

you're moving goal posts again you're

quantifying

the number of exploited workers versus

how much exploitation is occurring and

the value lost by those workers

is the is the quantum of exploitation

what

you're running away again so he was

wait okay hold on so big al is

exploiting these workers

uh because he fired them no he's no not

those those workers let's hope they get

a better job yeah they're gone they're

out of the picture so he's no longer

exploiting them anymore

he's they are free of his exploitation

yeah

yes

so

how is he how is uh is he exploiting

more people or less people

i goalpost move man

he has increased his exploitation of the

workers wow under him but they're doing

the same thing that they did before

they're not working harder each person

is producing more value than they did

previously

but they're not getting more no they're

actually not

oh no you're you're confused about the

value of the the hand motion versus the

value of the output you're confused

explain how i'm confused

you're confused about the motions of the

hand

on the machine versus the value that

machine produces

the workers are not going to be let's

say the workers aren't even going to be

using that machine that he bought post

move you've moved the goal posts

it doesn't even make a difference though

anyway it's like how easily

you're

dodging so he's he's he's just

exploiting them more

yeah because they're losing more value

now they could be producing they could

keeping that value they're not doing i

already said they're not doing anything

differently keeping that value for

themselves they could be keeping that

value for themselves oh okay let me get

this straight so he's

he's he's exploiting them more than he

was before

because they're they're entitled because

you're beginning with the baseline

assumption that

whatever profits this company makes

regardless of the workers performance or

anything like that the workers are

entitled to

and that is called a socialized

workplace

congratulations that's basically hold on

hold on it's carl carl carl carl carl

it's not that's not what socialism means

at all okay

socialism is when potato sack got it

so carl

what does exploitation mean to you

um something that ought to belong to me

or something that does belong to me is

either stolen or converted or um

obstructed uh

okay so

okay you i what if i said hypothetically

like your balls belong to me and you

have to go to the doctor get them

removed and send them to me you're

exploiting me by withdrawing them

but you they don't actually belong to

you why not

because they don't how do i'm saying

they do they ought to really well they

don't because we live in uh carl balzin

they don't belong into me because we

live in a system called carl balzism

instead of hospitalism and in right yeah

right and i

want

uh

i it ought to be that they belong to me

so you're exploiting me by not giving me

them

because i'm resisting your frame i'm

exploiting you this is this is some high

quality

you're exploiting me

i sure am i'm exploiting you for your

content right now if a capitalist

invests in a machine and with the

profits

that he's getting from that machine

laying off the 50 workers if he doesn't

give the money to the workers

and then i'll go sign the affiliate

agreement and then i can actually

exploit you right now

you're exploiting me

i'm entitled to something that you think

you own

and it's actually i'm gonna say it ought

to belong to me so that means there's

actually exploitation going on i've

already given more than hey

okay so let me look up the diff let's

look up the definition of exploitation

come on let's look up the next

definition of exploitation

exploitation definition thank you for

that

okay

and this one the action okay there's one

to actually the act the act or fact of

treating someone unfairly in order to

benefit from their work

or the action of making use of and

benefiting from resources

so both of those definitions imply

yeah that exploitation is when something

isn't when something should belong to

the worker but that something that is

actually a feature of the workers work

is being taken from them

by the capitalist

in this case

right you do you just undefined

capitalism is that is that what you

wanted to do did you want to concede the

victory to the capitalists has

is is that what you're going hold on but

you can't just say you're that extra

exploitation

hold on you can't just say that there's

exploitation

because you're entitled to

something you're not getting that you

feel you should get exploitation would

be when something is actually being

taken from you

you don't have to say it should belong

to me it does belong to you except the

capitalist is taking it right that's

exploitation

exploitation isn't when you say oh this

should belong to me if i have no choice

but to work for a capitalist or i die

that is exploitation

what i think i think that it's

monumentally unfair as your googled

definition shows it is right but it's

unfair because it's unfair because it's

someone else's work

it is it would be my labor producing a

thing out of that machine

no it wouldn't be it wouldn't be yours

it and it would be unfair in that case

right

it should no because you're not doing

anything different than you were doing

before

are you turning into an ancap really

who cares let's say i'm an end camper

i'm a capitalist can you actually debate

this

doesn't matter who i am carl your job is

to debate this persuasively i'm debating

from a very firm position and i think

that the product of my labor ought to be

mine and otherwise to say otherwise is

unfair okay uh your balls are the

product of my labor send them to me and

that that would be unfair because we

both worked on this content

no but i i think it should belong to me

though is the issue but i contributed

this content with with me not here and

you saw that you saw that when i was

silent you were so frustrated you were

so angry no

you you actually said that you're not

gonna talk until i unbanned you and you

talked anywhere so so angry at that

point

okay carl

what if i told you that

according to marx himself like from his

own writings

workers are actually paid the exact

price of their labor

in a market

no in a market where labor has been

commodified yes

it's still exploitation

yeah but

why

they're getting paid the exact

value of their labor

as soon so far as value is expressed in

price owning the means of production

because if if they owned the means to

production

they would not work for a capitalist

okay but that's not how you defined

exploitation before you define

exploitation before as

undiminished or sorry diminished you

define exploitation as the diminished

why the worker ought to belong to the

worker

i've been very

firm on that i've been very how does

marx define exploitation i don't [ __ ]

know

don't [ __ ] okay you defined

exploitation establishment i don't know

a [ __ ] thing about mark you don't so

why you don't you said you said exploit

hold on chapel you said exploitation

my chapel yeah you said you said hold on

you said you said you said [ __ ] i need a

dollar

you need you said exploitation is when

uh something that belongs to the workers

in this case the value of their labor is

not being given to them

right but marx disagrees mark says that

workers get the exact

uh value of their labor in the form of

price

they get the exact exchange value of

their labor they get they are paid by

the capitalist the exact exchange value

of their labor

and chapter and page let's have it

okay so you're questioning it

i i would love chat can you get the

quote yeah give me the quote because it

sounds like marx is pretty

not based pretty yeah [ __ ] yeah get

the quote i don't i'm too tired

to look it up yeah

it's that hamburger that hamburger

destroyed you man cheese

i only drink beer

that that keeps my energy up

and i'm sorry that you chose not to put

my camera on stream because i love your

sword uh and i got a sword of my own i

actually think i could block chat

where's the line you have the quote

like just like that just two swords you

sent it to me uh before

right there

here we go here's the quote equivalent

has been exchanged for equivalent for

the capitalist as buyer paid for each

commodity for the cotton for the spindle

and the labor power it's full value

there you go that's remarks

page number

sorry

page number i can't see your [ __ ]

chat i'm banned okay so we don't have a

physical copy of the book right now so

we're not gonna actually get the page

number

but i can give you like the chapter

but yeah let me uh give me the chapter

so this is the economic manuscripts

this is the economic manuscripts

i say sorry capital volume one part

three uh section

one

and what's the words i think it's

section two actually

yeah section two

i i'm i'm not seeing the words uh in the

chat

it's [ __ ] pixelated as as [ __ ] okay

the words are

the spindle and the labor power out of

such

sorry

wait let me find it

oh

there you go

the word it's in section two actually i

think it's every condition of the

problem is satisfied while the laws that

regulate the exchange of commodities

have been in no way violated equivalent

has been exchanged for equivalent for

the capitalist as buyer paid for each

commodity for the cotton the spindle and

the labor power it's full value

i mean unless i read more context it

sounds like marx is not very great in

this case

i guess not i'm i'm betting there's some

context here

what do you suppose that context is

because i think the context is that you

left this

have completely perverted marks and

talked out of your [ __ ] ass about

what marx actually said this whole time

is that sorry an accusation is that an

accusation now that i'm standing marx

hello

hello

yeah

is that the accusation that i'm standing

marks

that you're what

you're reading a standing

standing stand like like like the eminem

song am i standing i think no your your

uh crowd has is claimed that on the

authority of marx you're getting this

theory of value from

who's my crowd name name name of person

all twitch leftist hassan

i just yeah [ __ ] hassan i just talked

with tom foolery about hassan he doesn't

do enough boss

uh he slips a lot

what do you like he says is

um

i kind of like the idea that um

we might be able to get

a

creative marketplace independent

of the uh

existential dread

of existence so it's like we have this

existence

thinker do you like

i

i don't like very many thinkers i like

my own brain it works pretty well

you like your own brain

i think uh i've read a couple chapters

where did you get these ideas from

you you just read everything yourself

i read a couple chapters of what i've

read book

uh the bread book is uh conquest of

bread you might look it up someday in

that book did the uh kropot can teach

you about all this stuff you're talking

about how you taught me that the working

people cannot purchase

with their wages the wealth they have

created

oh okay that's what it said

yeah

okay um

okay what if i told you that that whole

book the conquest of bread i'll take

each page roll it up i'll wipe my ass

diarrhea filthy ass with it

if you're if you're trying to like piss

off kropotkin i'll laugh at it because i

don't i don't what if i told you marx

already did that in capital

that's amazing i'll have to read it it

sounds like a great read

yeah

and i won't even use it bidet that's how

much i'll be sure that it absorbs my

[ __ ] [ __ ] destroying the environment

good not used good good do you litter

trees are you litter you should save

the the trees i recycle though i know

recycling is i don't recycle i don't

recycle yeah

it's terrible do you care about the

turtles

wait what turtles have to do with

recycling plastic

micro plastics yeah do you care actually

yeah actually no thing or two i think

that we should switch to more

compostable things i i love when the

turtles suffer actually

i sleep soundly at night when they

suffer

that's wild man

yeah

it is this is some class a trolling and

take it from me someone who yeah hold on

so wait i want to get back to the part

where you're saying that according to

the theory of value

um i i don't cite theory of value i i

cite what i think

capitalist exploitation is so it's

capitalist exploitation

that workers are not getting 100 of the

profit

well that is something we could discuss

i think that it could be

uh a better share than it is today

uh but i don't know

if it needs to be a hundred percent i

i'm honestly not sure

so what's exploitation

if you are

uh if you are forced to work for a

capitalist or suffer death that's

definitely exploitation

there is no modern

economy in a modern society in which you

are forced to work for a capitalist or

suffer death

but this is america

no not even in america

oh i don't believe that i i see

thousands of homeless people on the

streets of seattle and some of them have

died

and i believe

yeah because of drug overdoses and

diseases

people freeze to death on the street

and drug overdoses are a salve on the

the first of all there's such a thing as

homeless shelters

not really not around here we're [ __ ]

full up

especially if you're a young man there's

no there's no homeless shelter for you

if you're a young man and your mother

goes into a homeless shelter they turn

you away because that is a mother's

shelter that's okay but you're not

you're not in a modern society you don't

die just because you don't have a job

i'm the [ __ ] you live a really shitty

life

but you don't die we definitely okay i i

i love to i'd love to see that happen i

would love to live in america where

people you know you know you know the

thing that pisses me off too is that

like i know people who don't have jobs

who live off the government too

like i know people who just live that

life why does that offend you

it doesn't it doesn't i don't even know

how they do it but they do it

and they're not dying dude

they don't have a job i found a way they

found a way to survive under capitalism

that that's yeah but they're not dying

because they're not getting a job

some of them are

right

some people die when they do get a job

what's your point

well maybe they would have a safer job

if they could own the means of

production

why do you think that

i know that if

if i was able to own the means of

production and avoided a job that could

cost you you mean if if workers were

able to vote on every decision a company

makes

that would also that would that's the

only form the ownership could take well

or they could just not work for that

employer

those are two good solutions so how can

a you own the means of production

in a company that hires more than two

people

no no

i wouldn't i wouldn't be a member of a

company i would own the means of

production i would have

like uh you know a media channel or i

would have a 3d printer okay but we

still have to grow food okay we still

have to grow food build houses make real

[ __ ]

and you know there's still physical

things that need to be done instead of

sitting on your ass on the computer so

can you snap out of it and get into

reality and explain to me how we're

gonna own the means of production not

quite

i i think the socialized workplace is

the solution for the big tasks

definitely for things like a nuclear

reactor we have a pretty based as [ __ ]

uh public power okay

so you're saying so do you think workers

know what's best for them

uh so we have 27 puds that all

uh contribute to this public power

corporation uh and no there are bosses

in that corporation there is a boss

there are managers and directors and

there's safety inspectors all of these

people are workers

not all of them put there oh so it's the

same thing we're just gonna change the

name no no but here's the thing you

missed and you you just [ __ ] got

blown the [ __ ] out because you missed

this

i said it was 27 puds own this public

power corporation none of them

are owners

um you realize most

companies of scale are publicly owned

and don't have like

one i don't mean they're treated on the

stock market i mean literally owned by

public utility that's just a different

form of an already socialized

that's just the different form of the

same socialization most companies don't

have one or two private owners most

companies even when people say privately

owned they're just contracting that to

the government most big companies are

socialized in their ownership you

[ __ ] idiot no no that's [ __ ]

that's yeah they are they're just a lie

you're gonna [ __ ] tell me that rei

and ibm have the same ownership

structure that's [ __ ] no they have a

different management and administration

structure

no they have the same management and

administration structure ibm and rei

they have different ownership

the donor should mean

it it means there's a stock a money

share in a company and that money share

in the company is held

by an individual or corporation or

utility or government entity

so how how do the workers own the money

they i i said they didn't

so how do the workers own the company

i

said they did not

own the company in the

other one you mentioned the pp the pp5

comp whatever the [ __ ] the other one not

the ibm the other one

yeah the public or rei or the public

power company

those are different co-ops they're not

quite they're better socialized they're

not perfectly socialized i think these

are models for a better workplace

i think that uh the the public power

corporation is a really good one because

it's the the citizens okay how do

workers own it i [ __ ] not listening

to me

it's a public power corporation it's

owned by the constituencies

they have government entities that are

puds puds have bonds that are collected

from property taxes in those

constituencies

how do the workers own it

i didn't [ __ ] say the workers owned

it you're going to repeat this five

times is the [ __ ] police

interrogation are you a cop

so what would it mean for the workers to

own the means of production

i i said these were transition so these

are more transitional than final state

these are good examples of better

socialized workplaces that exist in the

real world

what does that have to do with owning

the means of production

i it's better than a capitalist owning

the means of production

that's what it is

why

am i going to get to finish the

description of why

can i can i actually go into it

go into it

okay so

uh

27 puds all contribute to this public

power corporation we can all vote

on how that public power corporation

works

and we get to set the salaries of those

employees all those salaries have to be

competitive

but they don't get to issue stock as

part of compensation they don't get to

say oh the ceo gets millions and

millions of dollars from this nuclear

plant no that goes back to the utilities

that goes back

goes back to

all of the uh all of the constituencies

get the benefits hey dumbass

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you know that can only work for a nice

podge you know that could only work for

you know you know that can only work

nice podge you know that could only work

for an enterprise

you only you know that can only work for

an enterprise that's already a natural

monopoly meaning it doesn't have to

worry about like

keeping a competitive edge on the market

and expanding and shrinking and growing

and innovating it's a natural monopoly

whose purpose is really just

well it's it's it's what they call a

natural monopoly it's a utilities

company utilities companies in contrast

since the 1950s we we've had we've not

decommodified uh d

d structure d um [ __ ] what's the texas

grid called it is a

deregulated

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a deregulated that that's not the point

that that can't apply universally

that's why deal in examples and this is

my favorite [ __ ] example

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so

we've got

about

i think 900 people working for this

public power corporation

uh

and it's it's pretty [ __ ] based

they've got a nuclear reactor they're

producing energy for the pacific

northwest

low carbon energy really good

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uh so i see you're walking away i don't

see it on here but i'm watching the

stream so um how what's up chat uh do i

have you yeah i do i do

oh [ __ ] years later we're no closer to

you explaining what it means for workers

to own the means of production

well the workers so if we transition

from the public owning this to the

workers owning this then the workers

would get to decide

a little more directly how

how everything works

okay

except

workers so do workers

know what's in their best interests

i think the ceo of energy northwest can

you answer my question directly you

dodging [ __ ] [ __ ] he is a worker he's

still a worker

he works for the public you dodging [ __ ]

does a worker know it's in their own

best interests

the line worker or the ceo they're both

workers

all workers

not all of them

so if workers owning the means of

production just means workers get to

directly decide on how their [ __ ]

company is operated

they get to decide this is the stupid

way of administrating a company you dumb

[ __ ] why don't they get to elect a ceo

why the [ __ ] wouldn't they get to elect

their ceo

i'll tell you why they shouldn't elect

their own [ __ ] ceo

because very rarely is a company

reducible to one shop or one floor

it's not just the team of workers who

have a boss bossing them around it's a

[ __ ] company of scale and knowing

what an effective business leader is

gonna be and negotiate with other

businesses that's what business is about

politics and negotiation and all that

[ __ ] workers don't know a goddamn

[ __ ] thing about what that takes okay

i believe in workers i know that you you

hate the working person but i love the

working person i think that the people

who work at energy northwest uh have a

really good relationship with their

leadership i i think that you know they

have regulators and they have unions

they are [ __ ] [ __ ] smart people

they know what they're doing

workers can't elect a [ __ ] leader a

ceo

of a company

because the ceo of a company

has to rise on the merit of their skills

and on the merits of their abilities and

what they've proven in the past and

their precedent and their things like

that it's not based on [ __ ] how

popular they are

have you never worked among employees

have you never had a good manager

a theo is not a manager you [ __ ]

idiot

why isn't he a manager most workers will

never interact with the ceo in their

life

i then interacted with two of my ceos

three no three three of my ceos well

most workers won't

i i wish they would uh it's great to be

able to give feedback like that

why it's just a waste of their time

i don't think so i think it's like

saying workers should have to decide the

[ __ ] safety inspections what the [ __ ]

do they know about all that [ __ ] workers

aren't scientists they're not engineers

they're not [ __ ] experts they don't

know they're not the people who should

be responsible for all that people

at energy northwest are engineers and

scientists

they actually go to school for this [ __ ]

well i'm actually talking about real

working class americans and not

professional managerials

these are working-class americans they

live in a place called uh by definition

they're professionals

they're professionals

is is that it

is is it because they're professionals

they are engineers or scientists

in their hands they're they're not

working class people no they're not

working class they're not working

clothes knowledge workers are not

workers is that your is that you want to

[ __ ] no they're not

[ __ ] no they're not

communication workers of america to [ __ ]

off that you're not workers yes i tell

each and every one of them to [ __ ] off

actually awesome awesome

every single silicon valley look this is

what i'm going to tell you

every single

every no i'm going to explain it to you

every single silicon valley employee who

works at google whatever i wish there's

more union busting more long hours of

work more uh less pay and i want more

discipline for them

they're cool locks just like you and me

is that it

yes

based we're

we're two kulaks in a voice chat

talking about working people

yeah except i don't represent the class

of streamers

that's why i go against every [ __ ]

streamer there is

based

oh um so we are past my window uh and so

true to my promise

i lasted the whole

however [ __ ] many hours i had to

offer uh this is it because i got my

talk with uh tiberius d in an hour

i'm gonna go eat and chill out uh uh

this has been thoroughly entertaining uh

thank you everyone uh please support

nuclear i accept your surrender goodbye

bring on the other guy there's another

guy we're going to debate

the rtsg guy

bring in the next guy

next up

oh his computer broke

what are the [ __ ] chances of that

well let's yeah we can check reddit in

the meantime

what are the chances of that [ __ ]

happening

okay debate me on nuclear john

convince me and you have to convince me

aesthetically too

well

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yeah well

you know

good [ __ ]

ddg seems to be pro-infrared now because

infrared hates you yeah literally i

actually

what dgg when this must be old and

[ __ ] dgg hates me

the [ __ ]

when is it from

yeah well

you know

good [ __ ]

dgg seems to be pro in for right now

because infrared hates you yeah

literally i actually saw there was a

thread once where they where they were

complaining about me and they were like

doesn't vosh think it's weird that

destiny likes infrared more than he

likes vosh which is first of all dumb

for a few reasons but second of all no

that's not surprising no it's a

three-ring enemy i don't even know

what's gonna happen now right now

there's a [ __ ] like 10-ring civil war

on political twitch it's like me

destiny

hassan

we're all pointing [ __ ] at each other

and there's no allies

everyone's it's a free-for-all right now

there's no allies

surprising to me at all

because infra is an idiot and also a

fashion

this is the guy calling me an idiot by

the way

and and infrared is defined primarily by

arguing with actual leftists as far as

you call me a fash

but i've long come to recognize that

when voss uses the word fashion he's

basically talking about someone who's

not a cuck

like anyone who's not a soy [ __ ] is a

fash according to him

right so we know what that means

as far as i can tell

isn't dgg like anti-tankies they're

auntie left tankies aren't on the left

so they'll align with tankies when

they're actually [ __ ] on the left

and they'll hate tankies when they say

something that sounds like i'm the only

tanki in the history of the world that

dgg ever

like somewhat positively received

there's no other tanki only me

like left-leaning but when tankies are

attacking the actual left the ggg will

align with them that's yeah it's again

it's always anti-left that's the only

consistent position there there's

literally nothing beyond that it's

emptiness if you go any further than

that um

yeah the grade eight the grade eight

code video is down i tweeted about that

yeah

wish your stream's less focused on

esoteric lefty and fighting drunk well

we're not doing lefty infighting right

now uh this is out community drama uh

but oh oh my god tankies are not leftist

i ain't

leftism is the ultimate [ __ ]

religion

i'm gonna arbitrarily define it's not

that i agree with him about what a

leftist means

it's just that i'm confused about why he

thinks it even matters in the first

place like

oh you're gonna not call me a leftist

anymore like i give a [ __ ] i don't give

a [ __ ] dude

focus on the [ __ ] meat and potatoes

what do i give a [ __ ] [ __ ] i mean the

truth is i'm more of a leftist than bosh

that's just the truth

look

from the judgment of history and the

judgment of god

and the judgment of like

the outside perspective

yeah i'm the leftist and he's a

right-wing opportunist yeah that's just

the fact right i am actually a real

what a real leftist looks like like

historic like like in in the french

revolution i would be with robespierre

and you know

i'd be with marx

and angles and

lenin

stalin mao

yeah i am a leftist obviously

it's a fact of history but it's like i'm

not going to spend energy arguing about

this because i don't even [ __ ] care

who [ __ ] cares if i'm a leftist or

not it doesn't even matter

you know what i mean like the the meat

and potatoes matters

not this [ __ ]

oh god you're not a leftist like what is

that does it even mean who cares okay

you're you're not a leftist i'm not

begging to be called a leftist okay i'm

not begging

for the approval of [ __ ] leftists i

don't give a [ __ ] leftists can literally

suck my [ __ ]

pee pee

i don't give a [ __ ] about them

the [ __ ]

i don't give a [ __ ] about [ __ ]

leftists oh you're not in our group [ __ ]

your group i don't give a [ __ ]

you're not in our little community

[ __ ] your community

suck my ass

the [ __ ]

suck my [ __ ] ass i don't give a [ __ ]

about your community

you're not out vash is like trying to

dude this guy literally thinks he's like

the uh

the head honcho

of leftism like he's the gatekeeper of

leftism and vosh is basically like the

bouncer of leftism he gets to decide

who's the leftist or not

but let him think that vos you're not

even the [ __ ] bouncer

of nerds you think you're the alpha of

nerds there's nerds more alpha than you

you're not the [ __ ] alpha of the soy

boys like how you pretend you are you're

not

vaush

vaush acts like he's the [ __ ] bouncer

of leftism the same way chris chan acts

like he's the bouncer of sonic and

everyone just like lets him think that

and it's not that they let him think

that because they're like

they care about shattering his universe

like just no one cares okay be the

bouncer of sonic dude no one gives a

[ __ ] but your make-believe world and

same thing with vows like you want to

pretend to be the bounce like you're

wrong it's not true but

if you insist we'll let you think that

we just don't care

what leftist community

is vaush talking about

okay

he's talking about himself

sdl

merrick

contra points hassan

and who and literally like who else shu

i don't know

an aoc okay that's the that's your

community people

i don't wanna

i don't want anything to do with your

community

but it's like the idea that that's the

left is just kind of funny to me because

it's not true

opinions on esha i don't like yeshua

look look esha is a liberal okay esh is

a liberal escher is a liberal i my

family comes from lebanon okay

in lebanon eshe would be considered like

a

americanized liberal moralistic kind of

liberal person like i'm sorry it's true

very elitist

you know like this kind of elitist

liberal moralizer whatever

that's just the truth

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you guys got to understand it's like

bro i feel like if valsh was in lebanon

he would be with the march 8th alliance

or is it the opposite let me see

if let me tell you i know oh tb with the

march 14th alliance listen valsh

in lebanon he'd be a cathedral right

he'd be part he'd be affiliated with the

right which is like the phalanges

far right

pro-american group

and but they're very liberal and they're

like westernized and they're liberal and

they're enlightened and they're kind of

moralistic

and then where

i hail from

people are just a bit more rough they're

just a bit more toxic and they're more

you know

deplorable and you know they're more you

know

down south my parents come from south

lebanon they're just more like you know

just more realistic about life you know

so these words left and right in america

just mean the opposite of what they do

around the [ __ ] world

was a stream tonight

what i need from zurpa is to [ __ ]

book the austin trip

i need him to book the trip to austin

but i think he's

he just can't for some reason i don't

know

he's not telling me everything

he needs to book that [ __ ] for real

that

ah [ __ ] me man

thoughts on bernie

[ __ ] bernie

also i don't think i engage in drama

well no that's not [ __ ] true i think

um i think you know

i think we're having fun right now also

other people bring it to me

i really don't feel like i bring drama

to other people it feels like every time

we have a giant drama arc it's like

somebody coming up to me and starting it

or something yeah

um

oh you guys can't deny that that's true

destiny is constantly cloying for my

attention online every single person

yeah i already said that destiny and

zurich are the two most soy

this is like the most soy conflict in

the world i'm not saying that because i

am against the conflict i love seeing

them divided but it's just like every

time they they just attack it's like if

i was destined that you're a little

[ __ ] boss shut the [ __ ] up

you ain't about [ __ ] you fat [ __ ] i'd be

like some [ __ ] like that you know

but the way they like jabs do jabs at

each other like

oh

destiny does not seem to understand the

requisite conditions of the logical

extent of the axiomatic

controversy

in the

entirety of the

next submissions

and then destiny goes

well

vaush

he's not quite aware of

shut the [ __ ] up y'all both so cringe

gives a [ __ ] about that stupid fake

dispute

okay but i have to be fair

between

vows okay both them [ __ ] i'm gonna be

real both boss and destiny bunch of

[ __ ] i'm gonna be real but between

them both who is the bigger [ __ ]

you guys know i don't like destiny i

don't like ggg i'm at war with them

but

i have to be fair and i'm not just

saying this for personal petty reasons

walsh is the [ __ ] between them two vosh

is the coward and the reason i'm saying

that isn't

isn't just because i don't like vosh

and i hate valsha or whatever

it's because walsh is actually scared to

debate destiny he's scared to confront

destiny

destiny is actually willing to debate

walsh whenever

but vaush is scared of a confrontation

with destiny

oh i think they actually debated on that

uh panel

but usually they are

why is destiny debating me

he's debating me friday

but i thought they're all boycotting me

what happened

because i heard that the strategy is to

boycott me and and jackson and just

prevent any

this is literally what i told jax i was

like jackson listen just ignore them and

they'll just come back to us this is

literally what happened dude i've been

ignoring

them like i i talked about it a little

bit here and there but mostly i've been

going ignoring them

why they boycotting both of you

they just wanna they don't want the

tanky community to rise but it's rising

anyway so they're like i might as well

just deal with it

like the professor flowers thing she

made videos about me and

yeah

and um

jackson jackson hibble uh he challenged

me to a debate what was the previous

stuff um

i'm gonna i think soon i'm gonna

challenge fall after the debate with

destiny

i might use the debate with destiny to

challenge walsh

i'm gonna challenge him again

yeah i don't know

it's true i'm gonna like wait to

challenge him because i have to do it at

a time where he's gonna be like

pressured to you know he's gonna be

pressured to accept

he's gonna dodge

probably but

use it to challenge hassan that's not

gonna happen hassan's will never debate

anyone again just pay attention to what

he's always tweeted yeah

yeah

you don't need it we know don't worry we

know um

rough out here being a vg no they're

starting to d they're starting to

boycott politically provoked did you

know that

they're actually starting to boycott

politically provoked

and i'm pretty sure because um

they're doing that because

politically provoked will like platform

anyone or whatever and they're just mad

about that but guess what

oh [ __ ] i got a [ __ ] so bad

guess what

the politically provoked people are my

allies i like them

and i don't give a [ __ ] who they

platform who they don't platform who

gives a [ __ ] dude it's just a [ __ ]

internet i wish everyone would platform

everyone you know what i mean

like

the only time i don't want to platform

people is when they're [ __ ] uh

annoying but one of the reasons i love

politically provoked has to be

one of the most chill

and fair

uh moderators

on [ __ ] twitch

like they just don't they're open to

anything dude and if and if you're

trying to say like oh they're they have

a right wing bias no they [ __ ] don't

because i go on there and i'm a

communist whatever

and they have no issue with me right so

i don't know yeah

this [ __ ] [ __ ] leftists on [ __ ]

twitch are bitching about them

and they're trying to like say like oh

politically provoked are a bunch of

nazis

yeah that's the biggest [ __ ] i ever

heard

that's just [ __ ]

cheer

don't know what's crazy this is going to

come off really bad

but some you know all the right wingers

who hate me like those third position

people whatever i really feel like

right wingers hate me

because i'm actually more far right

than they are

like they're pretty much just anarchists

right like and when i say far right i

don't mean

like far right but i mean like i'm just

more based than they are i'm more

traditionalistic i'm more authentically

conservative i'm more like actually

grounded in reality

you know what i mean like the reason

nazis hate me is because i'm even more

than them in the sense of like being

real conservative and traditionalist

like to me they're fake conservatives

they're fake traditionalists someone

who's spewing racial hatred against

other people is not a real conservative

and is not a real traditionalist

because

it's like a form of edgy anarchism right

and i'm just some more level-headed

you know

type of guy

i know people are like oh hoes was

saying he's more far right than nazis

you guys have to understand how i use

words i don't use words ever to be like

literal i just use it to like

connote stuff and you know just

i'm being hyperbolic whatever but you

get what i'm saying right you get what

i'm saying

everyone always takes my [ __ ] out of

context

but you get it right it's like i'm more

based than they are is the [ __ ] point

i'm just more based and they

like like i really feel like these like

these these uh fascists people that

counsels fascists they're like what the

hell how can this guy be so based

we gotta stop it dude we gotta this is

too far

he's so based that he's even against

fascism

no dude that's true like the way they

attack me is the same way leftists

attacked me what i'm saying

but i think that's just all middle

eastern

political people

yeah they use like left-com arguments

and [ __ ] you know

like let me tell you what i guarantee

you on the circa show if you brought any

of those people on

they would not be nearly as based as me

when it comes to my views on

relationships family and things like

that they wouldn't they would not even

come close

how many of them would literally say

i'm not marrying someone who has bodies

absolutely none

absolutely none

muslim

to back iron dome funding

norman finkelstein reveals he was banned

by democracy now over a joke

the [ __ ]

conservatives are not look at fantano

what is fentanyl saying

conservatives are not fun creative smart

empathetic or interesting that's why

they don't make great art there are

sucks ass

wait but this is true for leftists

the [ __ ] are you talking about dude have

you seen a [ __ ] marvel movie

man i kind of hope world war iii comes

sooner than later because every time

guys every time we have a world war

socialist regimes start popping up left

and right

that would be uh

that would be very nice i mean

what is wrong with this guy like where

did this guy even [ __ ] come from

this guy is just a weird guy

not gonna lie

where did he even come from

i'm not saying not i'm

from a humanity you know this is the

scary guy at school you know that right

this is the guy in school who's just

scary

i mean in high school like this is like

you know what i mean by that

this is the guy who's in the corner

and

he's just

i know exactly type person this is

here's the thing

i know this guy has incredible strength

probably right this guy probably has

incredible strength

just incredible

super strength

you know what i mean

and this dude probably doesn't even feel

pain

this is the guy that bites people and

[ __ ] you know like stay i don't want to

stay away from that guy

you just stay away okay this i'll be

real i'm a tough guy i'm an internet

tough guy but

in a fight i don't think

let's just say i would not confront

fellow traveler in a fight

ever without having an advantage of some

kind if you know what i mean

and

i'm not afraid to admit that

but the reason for that is not like

doesn't reflect good on him it's

it's literally the fact that like

i don't think he has

control

that makes sense

like he doesn't have discipline and

control but

he would just yeah he would do some

crazy [ __ ]

like he would [ __ ]

he's like that kid at school right

you know what i mean

he's just like that kid at school that's

all i could say he's just that kid at

school that you don't know where they

get their super strength from

you don't know how they have it you

don't know what they're all about and

and what their whole deal is but

you don't want nothing to do with it

the young turks btfo message that i

don't buy for one second uh what does

students think the most telling moment

for me is when he translates his own

speech he's like we gotta bind the

wounds of democracy we gotta come

together

it's like did you just so you didn't

understand anyways have us let's have

some uh students chime in yeah um you

would want to give us your feelings on

the election have a stand up

uh what's your name where you from

vaughn los angeles here for vaughn from

los angeles

you go to csa yeah

student what year second second year

sophomore a wise fool aren't we all

texting in the middle of the interview

it's great

my question for you is more how do you

feel about all the stuff that trump said

during the um during the election during

the running for the election and uh is

are you afraid of it

how do you feel about all the stuff that

he said and do you believe it i actually

want to touch upon oh could i i don't

know he wants the floor i actually want

to touch upon like the kind of

immigration and that kind of sentiment

on it so the rise in anti-immigrant

sentiment that's pretty much uh it's

raised fear amongst our communities and

things like that it brings back memories

and history so

um of other leaders of other groups

people that have rose to power and have

done much worse such as the young turks

i was not expecting that i was not

expecting that i was not

i was not expect he just he just woke up

and shows violence

isn't it

i was not expecting that [ __ ] man

i was not expecting that

oh say what you want about marx you

would have hated aoc

what is this based article

this is from the new york post let me

see what it says seriously remarks would

have hated

this is actual facts

what the [ __ ] this is literal facts

marx

collection of anarchists utopians middle

class performers mutuals christian

soldiers and every other did they

advocate for leftist unity no marx and

engles attacked the [ __ ] out of all

these people

what was called the left often acted

against workers not with thanks joseph's

rhetoric

they went after the left

that's all they did was go after

leftists and i'm getting gaslighted for

[ __ ] doing the same [ __ ] that they

did [ __ ] off [ __ ]

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i'm getting the house clean tomorrow

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their entire college education because

their whole college education isn't the

problem the problem is the 18 years

before you go to

there's people who go to college

no i run a memes page

what

hey uh well my name is vosh i'm a

youtuber which is as you all know right

up there with academia in terms of

consistent reliable truth talent uh if

there's anything that i want to hit on

now and always it's the absolutely

essential nature of democracy whether it

be in our government or our workplace i

don't think any society can survive and

flourish without those things

i'm blind kaplan i'm a professor at

george mason university i'm the author

of the myth of the rational voter where

i say democracy is much worse than most

people imagine and markets are much

better i'll leave you there

and my name is destiny uh i'm on twitch

and youtube i do politics and philosophy

i'm gonna be taking some position in

between these two i'm not sure which one

i'm siding with yet but i guess we'll

find out the next few minutes

so as many of you know today is the 54th

anniversary of the death of che guevara

so

you've already done my work for me i was

going to ask everyone to take a moment

to remember why we're here to celebrate

sorry

um it's just i had you know i have a

little bit of freedom and some friends

gave me some substances that i'm very

happy that they gave me can i go poop

guys can i just go poop

i have to poop

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everyone who left is a [ __ ]

you know a little natural stuff don't

worry and uh and the the organizers at

this event told me to drink they're like

we already paid for the bar so get

yourself some drinks so i had a few gin

and tonics and hung over why would

capitalism do this

anyway

on democracy

this this discussion i wasn't really

prepared for everybody to say i'm here

to defend democracy up here but i wasn't

ready for that so um on democracy i'm a

libertarian i advocate for libertarian

solutions um to make us more free and

prosperous i'd like to know from you

let's just go in order i guess or

whenever you want to jump in

what policies do you think we need to be

advocating for right now in our current

system that have chances of success

or that you're an advocate for that you

really think has a chance of success or

becoming popular in society to the point

of being successful to defend liberty

well i think uh

i think a big one first of all is we

need to make third parties viable uh we

need to uh uh get rid of first past the

post voting introduce uh you know some

alternative of which there are many uh

the founders of this country aren't even

so sold on parties themselves you know

what the [ __ ]

bosh is advocating for third parties

the [ __ ]

well then how would you do that the the

two parties don't have a

interest in that the democrats don't

how are you going to go about making

them viable

now most americans the largest group of

which are independents more so than

democrats and republicans very often

feel like they don't have a voice in the

political system i think we need to work

on that i think we need to work on uh

better districting because we know the

gerrymandering is screwed to hell a good

many of our districts leading to

disproportional electoral results

between the general and the specific

vote and uh on an economic level i think

that we need to really really work on

making sure the wealthy uh which i

include myself i think here uh are

paying a fair share there are a lot of

systems in this country that if

breakdown will hurt everyone including

business owners trust me nobody is going

to benefit from infrastructure in this

country going to put that is a

universally bad thing we need to find

money to pay for that whether we're

taking it out of the military we're

drawing it further from our coffers we

need to find a way

yeah so normally i work on topics where

i think it is quite politically hopeless

but someone needs to say it

so i have my book open borders so i

think that is a very important policy to

totally deregulate immigration i'm

working on another book on housing due

regulation we gotta totally regulate

that i booked the case against education

on defunding public education

now in terms of policies that i favor

that i think have a prayer here's my

number one such policy

pause

rip every covent law off the books today

deregulate return to normalcy now

i don't know if it has majority support

but it's not crazy to think that it does

and if it happened then i think that it

would after the fact be supported

because this is the kind of thing where

people are just supporting whatever

exists

i think there's a lot of like dream

policies that we could talk about uh

green energy is a big one immigration

reform is a big one some people talk

about foreign policy i think in terms of

what's accessible right now in our

current political landscape the two

biggest ones that i would like to see

big improvements made to that i think

are politically feasible and possible

would be a big healthcare reform and a

big uh reform to education uh if anybody

in this country is sick or needs to get

checkups or needs to do something to

enable them to be a productive member of

both the economy and society at large

paul zurko why

why

oh he's sorry

[ __ ] i was reading a [ __ ] something

on twitter i just got exposed

anonymous

with the 10 thank you so much

yo what up circle

hello can you hear me

yeah what up

yo some of the [ __ ] up what is this

what is what

um

what you what

huh

whatever you're watching

oh boss first destiny i have no idea i

just found out it was like a week ago so

i'm gonna watch it

are you almost done

um why

i just wanna

i don't know i mean

would i say it was so i didn't plan on

it and i was doing think playing by ear

yo get that game back for blood

uh what is that

is this scary game have you ever played

left 4 dead

yeah it's the new like left 4 dead

yo what'd you do on your stream today

like uh i'm gonna stream later so uh i

can't watch it like what did i miss

you're streaming now aren't you

no not right now

there you are

no

really

you [ __ ] are shut the [ __ ] up my

chat's the one that told me you were

calling

uh

oh oh [ __ ] i am streaming but it's the

intro without me without muted audio and

stuff how did my chat know you were

calling

the fight i was in check oh

okay you don't read your chat by the way

bro there's people who get ignored all

day what the [ __ ] is that about i was uh

i was looking at something on twitter

well every time i tune in i think you

have a fat delay or something there's a

dude who never gets his question

answered oh no i ignore him on purpose

all of

the [ __ ] most of them yeah

yeah um

what did i do today i debated a guy for

like two hours

about what

uh so i was so yesterday

i was i was listening to this german

music it's a german pop music it's like

a

woman named bloom chen and he clipped me

and he said i'm of alt-right meme

because apparently it was an alt-right

meme in 2004.

uh so i was like you know

basically telling him to justify his

accusation and [ __ ]

do they ever go in depth when they say

[ __ ] or they just title it

no like

because i've noticed like when uh these

guys who get angry and just call

everyone a nazi they never explain why

someone's a nazi they just it's like an

insult

right he said a lot of crazy [ __ ] a lot

a lot of crazy [ __ ] [ __ ] well i'm gonna

find you this uh hard lefty when i first

started twitch

he called me a nazi

and then he made a whole eight minute

apology video on his youtube saying i

did not know zurko was a refugee and

the funniest [ __ ] [ __ ] i've ever seen

in my life

uh that's why i'm like oh people just

use it as an insult they don't actually

like dig

yeah

you know your political

area wherever you your internet is

these are like

the weirdest people on the internet it

doesn't get weird did you call your

uncle

oh [ __ ] i just woke up bro [ __ ] i forgot

dude he's supposed to call me bro yo

change the topic you're always on this

[ __ ] topic change the topic because

it's do you have time to help me with

something yeah

actually if i share screens um

uh

could you could you mute your stream for

like 20 seconds

yeah hold on

okay it's muted

guys give us a second we're doing

something important give us one second

all right we're on region

no we're both on muted

god this guy all right now

[ __ ] book the austin [ __ ]

hold on are we unmuted yeah we're

unmuted

we'll do that after yo let's let's get

back to the let's get the back to the

brass tacks of things like how's your

chat been doing are they are they strong

are they complaining like uh how are

they doing because uh chad's been fine

dad's been fine i don't know i feel like

i feel like they've gotten on edge

lately my people you know

why over what

just lately they want war bro

well we are at war

are we

i'm debating destiny next

next friday

your wife on hippie dippy yeah he they

challenged me they told me do you want

to debate destiny next friday for the

championship and i said okay sure

about what i have no idea

if it's economics r.i.p to destiny right

like uh that's your best best area

uh i'll prepare for

they don't tell you what to prepare for

no they they do but they haven't yet but

when they do i'll you know i'll have a

plan is that what or what

huh

is it one-on-one yeah

you don't say

which is weird because i thought they

were boycotting me but apparently they

uh well if you noticed uh a lot of those

channels are small so they kind of you

know want you there to increase viewers

no this is the

dylan burns hippy dippy yeah but dylan

burns guests are very low viewers they

want you

yeah i don't know he they said that vosh

doesn't want to and that i'm the best

challenger to destiny

[Music]

so how's that war if it's just a debate

well we're all we're at war with dgg

right now

are we i don't know some of them dm me

they're so kind lately i'm like what the

[ __ ] they dm me on discord the weirdest

[ __ ] hey you you and steven should make

up i'm like what the [ __ ]

well i don't know

all i know is i'm at war with everyone

right now

is destiny unbanned yet yeah

oh so how many days was that

a week

yeah

um

yo why do you keep avoiding austin it's

just not gonna happen

it's not gonna happen it's not gonna

happen bro when i pressured you you puts

it out so now now i what you pressed me

i was like i had to go a month ago man i

have the vod and i was trying to i kept

telling you let's [ __ ] book it dude

i've always been ready to [ __ ] go all

right listen if you knew what's

happening with the stock exchange you'll

know you'll know you'll know that right

now we we've got to be strategic okay

okay is it not happening another thing

yo another thing dude another thing

this whole

this whole [ __ ] ditching it it pains

me to say but this whole ditching for

the gym has lost

15 000 [ __ ] dollars

and it's it no it's not dude i'm not

gonna be [ __ ] awake at 7 00 am dude

i'm just not those days are gone second

of all

um

is halloween irl not happening

anyway

it's too it's too close dude um but we

are gonna do react halloween tonight you

and i

damn

it's really cancelled

bro you have this way of talking man i

swear i can't be here it's cancelled

all right you guys you heard it here yo

i've never in my life met someone who

now i know how i word things like you're

a cruel cruel human being dude you'd

sound like what the [ __ ] do you mean we

had plans world war iii bro everything

every time damn it's really not

happening man

yeah we we had plans and we were telling

the chat october irl halloween

you sound like every [ __ ] cokehead

i've ever met bro

okay bro you know it's look this is what

it is it's cancelled

thank you belong to fate

first of all bro chat let me tell you

something actually let me talk to your

chat bro i'm gonna get this guy laid a

thousand times and then you know what he

has to do

he has to literally [ __ ] make a whole

stream saying zerka's the best homie

i've ever met and that's it that's it

right you know

look

okay you're not gonna be dude you're not

gonna smash my chicks and never talk to

me again bro listen anyone listen anyone

can just get laid but

ditching on for hop ditching on

halloween content

that's a whole nother level of just

i don't know how you're gonna make up

for that [ __ ] man

first of all it's still

undecided it's only the 10th

it's the [ __ ] 16th i mean it's the

16th [ __ ] yeah yeah [ __ ] we have

literally literally

it's only the tenth month dude we

literally have like five days

if even to we have five days why are you

asking if we have five [ __ ] days

because we could just book it

tomorrow

or tonight

someone says sounds like a disappointed

girlfriend please ask has why he won't

stream 12 hours a day he needs to is

that your guy no i don't jp morse man

that's your guy

okay dude don't don't because that's

like for some reason he gets angry at

that

yeah don't say that dumb [ __ ]

but you don't like when people ask you i

streamed for seven hours yesterday

so i don't need any of that [ __ ] but

dude it's amazing how high your uh sub

count is for someone who does like lower

hours bro [ __ ] i can't believe

halloween's not happening

what a trip i have many halloweens

together before the apocalypse that's

[ __ ] not true this is gonna be the

last one

i'm kind of worried about you man

because uh

what if they snake you on the hippy

i don't care that i'll be ready

it's going to be you alone there

everyone else is just like they don't

like loud people it's me versus destiny

damn you know like here's

here's what needs to happen that

here's what needs to happen

so

damn

halloween weekend friday saturday 29th

30th bro you guilt tripping hard boys

this is what's gotta happen i love

halloween book it now or tomorrow i

debate destiny friday the morning after

i get on a plane saturday

i arrive in austin

then for the until the 30 or the first

of monday

of next and then the first of monday of

next month i get on a plane and come

back

yo cry me a river bro okay i'm offering

you fifteen thousand dollar payouts and

you're going to bed

bro i might just do this [ __ ] anyway i'm

gonna give it to

you know what train said to me what

right

he said uh he said you let you uh you're

two you're too soft you're you're good

with everyone but soft on that house guy

yeah yeah yeah basically he said you

he doesn't get

that i be honest do i pressure you hard

to stay on my channel

bro i do i do i do don't [ __ ]

[ __ ] i do i pressure you hard but

you're like a [ __ ] you're an

independent uh woman right you know what

and [ __ ] yeah and you know what bro

yeah i had to pay you know i had to give

two [ __ ] three full-on strangers

fifteen thousand dollars because you

weren't there you [ __ ] are three

hours behind me my 4am is your 1am i

wipe my ass with 1am you think that's

hardcore [ __ ] staying up till 1am no

it's not my chat been calling my 7am is

your 4am

yeah but you're a streamer so

technically time doesn't exist

of course it exists why you got work no

if i if i don't have a normal sleep

schedule i'll become depressed dude i

need to [ __ ]

live in the world bro you could use code

john for 10 off grill on mine products

and stay up all night bro i need to live

in the world okay i can't i can't be

[ __ ] uh waking up at 7 p.m

like you like a freak i want to wake up

when it's light and i want to go to bed

when it's dark

so you don't want it just saying

nah you know you know my my chat would

kill to stay up all night for fifteen

thousand dollars in a day

you know and you it's so weird chad not

paying out

the home all right okay then you know

what okay i'll give you the opportunity

no i swear to god the next royale is you

me debating alone we're doing a 10-hour

stream and trains only gifting to you

and me train's not going to be there

dude oh i'm going to call him bro all

right you think i don't pressure my

donators all my donators are pressure i

taxed them bro bro you know what you

should have done you should have without

the money split it 50 50 with me the

only other guy producing content no no i

believe in god dude if he listen dude

you never snake people like that

snake who

you can't snake um contestants you know

that's just [ __ ] up do the contestants

deserve

five thousand not as much as you

do but do you deserve it sleeping yes i

do deserve it sleeping because i [ __ ]

provided all the content in the first

year but but we didn't [ __ ] strike

gold when we struck gold when you're

sleeping not when you're providing jokes

because of the jokes i provided

motivating everyone to continue on

that's not true the stream went on

without you you got to be there the

royales would be [ __ ] dead without me

that's a fact there wouldn't be any

royals without me that's not that's the

royale i had without you the next day

was higher viewers

we had a 1700 with you and then you're

like i quit i quit because they called

me a virgin and we went to 2000 right so

you know you're on because you're funny

and we like you you're not on because

you're [ __ ] caring right you carry

carry the whole [ __ ] thing no no you

carry now you do but like back when you

started what the [ __ ] was that [ __ ] dude

if it wasn't for me the royale would

have just been an idea that you gave up

on immediately after

that

you would have tested it out it would be

like okay whatever and then you would

have gave up on it that's not even true

yeah facts matter of fact you wouldn't

even have you wouldn't even be able to

bridge uh dying streams without my royal

guests like inky and stuff you bridge

them it's beautiful i what you bridge

dying streams like if your stream goes

low you'll put ink bites on for a day

once that literally happened once oh it

happened once now yeah

and uh we are completely separated like

connor

yo imma just say it chat okay all right

this i know this hurts your viewers so

bad right i know it hurts them so bad

right

but you need us way more

what the [ __ ] are you talking about

you know what you know what you know

what i don't care because you always say

that [ __ ] to me so i'm going to say it

to you need who

you need us bro like we're think about

it you atheists never get big donors

like we who believe in god we get big

donors like you need you atheists are

nothing without it circa before you

called i was at 630 viewers

and now what are you at

520

no wait i swear to god

that's crazy bro that's actually crazy

what were you doing

i'm literally giving you charity right

now

oh you were watching destiny

and

no wonder you had viewers you had his

people watching you no dude i have

[ __ ] um

well were you watching destiny or is

this guy joking

i'm watching destiny versus wash i just

started it though

yeah yeah no that's i do i'm gonna be

honest that's the greatest content is

seeing those guys try and sound logical

yeah

damn bro

i gotta change halloween plans

yeah and you know after halloween i want

you to embrace god for real like come

out and have the whole stream where you

say you're not an atheist anymore

right

would be able to witness halloween irl

content

oh come on that's just yeah dude that's

[ __ ] up why would you that's a [ __ ]

fact that is the most satanic that's a

fact

bro if they're

so you're not going to talk about like

starving children you're going to talk

about zerka has ira

for the chat

think about them

and halloween remember halloween's the

important part

fear is a

stimulant of

serotonin and dopamine you know

not to you know i don't want to look

like i push you away and stuff like but

um

i think this is why i stopped pressuring

has to stay live longer i think does the

opposite effect that's why i pulled back

from it right

but chat one in the chat if i should

just one in my chat if i should just

[ __ ]

pressure him every day till he loses

mine

you know

pressure to do what i don't need to stay

low i'm wondering because i i feel like

you're the type that if i pressure you

it's bad for you like you'll just be

like [ __ ] up circa

i oh yeah i didn't want it they want

five

six

five to six hours a day is all i need

but you're a man

yeah

you're a man

yeah

i mean men real men don't work five

hours

yeah they [ __ ] do and i have the [ __ ]

because i have other work to attend to

mind and body

i have mind work to attend to and i have

body work to attend to isn't body like

an hour though

no it's actually longer

two

yeah

you know karl marx worked all day just

writing

that's what i would be doing too i would

work all day writing but i have to

stream

do you think i'm actually producing

intellectual

content when i'm streaming and i'm like

writing theory and i'm not doing i'm not

discovering anything streaming you're

not discovering anything watching vosh

[ __ ] no i'm not

okay

i'm not studying i'm not researching i'm

not learning

when i'm streaming

yeah

so so let's say you got like a gamba

deal would you do a gambler deal yeah

you would yeah

oh you are a base marxist okay

[ __ ] yeah i wouldn't

what the [ __ ] you could do one right now

you know you'd keep viewers because

you're funny

it's been someone say pay me

do you want me to look at it look in for

you

well i can get i got to get paid a lot

you know

yeah i'll tell you offline how much um

but uh if you did a gamba deal why don't

you do it

i am doing it but uh

if you got a gamba deal

and let's say you can make a mill in a

month but the only way you do that is

doing

17 hour streams every time would you do

that

for a mill a month

yes oh okay so it's a money thing for

you of course

what what if what if you do eight hours

and you get 200k a month

yes

would you do eight hours or is the 17

17 but i would only do it for like a

year and then i'd retire

huh

just a year

yeah i'd get the bag and get out

12 million is all i need

hmm you want to keep pushing it

i might

but i'd stop eventually

it's not like

it's not it's not a way i've lived the

rest of my life basically your chat

needs to donate a lot of money and they

get more hours with you

that's true

[Laughter]

but i don't think my chat wants longer

hours i think my chat

also doesn't want to watch me

oh i think my chat also wants me to

you know

stop eventually and just call it someone

said john are his parents supporting him

this year believe it or not no and has

is the one dude who's not in debt like

he does good for himself like he crypto

all that [ __ ] he's a smart

student and you know how i know this

guy's smart chat

this is the one student who said [ __ ]

school

but most students are like oh [ __ ]

college is everything blah blah blah

blah you know so he's really based when

it comes to like uh financial security

and all that he's a smart guy i think i

think he was in crypto like 2017 or some

[ __ ]

what was it 20

dude the next big type of content i was

wanting to do for the [ __ ] channel is

irl

you need to go do this rl thing just to

see what i've done it before

no no dude doing it once is not a

[ __ ] stream dude bro you know what

i'm going to become friends with slicker

or something and we're going to go to

austin for halloween

do it bro do it you guys both have like

uh yeah i gotta i honestly gotta find a

replacement just dm me bro dm

i think he you're he's at low viewers

he'll respond

i gotta find some kind of replacement

man

no you and slicker would be better

together than me and you for sure

because uh uh i don't really like to

chill with like four-hour people

yeah i mean that's like a weak minded

you know ally you know what i mean

i mean ink bites does longer hours she

got fifteen thousand dollars what the

[ __ ]

but technically that's you're 15 bro

that's what you know here's the thing

it's called

did you see what my dad said you know

what my dad said he randomly texted me

how are you and your marxist buddy i'm

like how did you know that he's like oh

last time i saw you uh you talked about

a man you loved

and i'm like oh yeah i do love that guy

he's a good guy you know he's funny guy

and then i'm like wow i actually spoke

about ha i actually talked about my

stream life with my dad i don't remember

talking and then

he said uh was he happy when you paid

him off 15k and i freaked out

i know i had a panic attack i was like

no dad he's a [ __ ] he's a little [ __ ]

and i started [ __ ] bro i'm like the

guy is [ __ ] asleep and then he's like

oh and i'm like there's this girl ink

bites though she got it

hey zirko what separates me from

everyone else on your cast

uh the fact that

no

i don't have to have a sharp i have to

have a sharpie here's what separates you

here's what separates you right here's

what you guys all have in common all of

you have no job or school but what

separates you guys is you do four hours

and they do like 10.

you don't know the amount of mental

sharpness and focus it takes to be me

that's your issue

you're leaning back watching destiny

yeah because i just i just debated a guy

for three hours

i don't know man i feel like we can get

more hours out of you we gotta squeeze

you

nah

and then what's left for me i have to

add my own time for what what do you do

on your own time a lot

dude if i collect myself i collect

myself collect my thoughts you know

you collect oxygen everyone else is

collecting thousands of the difference

between me and you is that you don't

have your own

and you know what you say

this is actually a conversation between

a capitalist and a guy screaming no you

don't have your own truth you don't have

your own [ __ ] individuality and

private life outside of streaming

yeah because that shit's cringe

exactly

yeah that shit's crazy but you realize

you're being trapped in a cage so did

you think i was more based when i had

that [ __ ] in a nightclub

listen there's no reason why exactly

there's a reason why

i [ __ ] became

the street the person the streamer that

i became and it's because

this guy

of how i lived my life

that long

wow you're so badass dude i wish i could

be like you like you have a lot bro you

are a [ __ ] [ __ ] you you don't even

you have no ambition you cancelled on

halloween irl content to do what to sit

in your [ __ ] dark room

and react to [ __ ] uh

listen ufc what the [ __ ] are you talking

about

why you oh yeah we did that

listen dude listen

here's the truth here's the truth here's

the truth

would i have more ambition if i had a

real life and a four-hour stream

probably

you really you would have let me okay go

back to the club all the success the

only streamers who do long form are xqc

and hassan

and i don't know why you're trying to be

like them success comes with short and

sweet high quality streams

name one besides austin show go

one besides austin show

yeah are you kidding

go all of them

every single one

no i believe you just give me a name

sure

no problem let's go let's go down the

list there's a long long list

and we gotta go down the whole thing oh

you're talking about egirls

we gotta go down the whole thing okay

it's gonna be a really long list are you

going to go down all right what if you

can't pick e girls

is pokeman eager

uh she's not really considered that

successful compared to the others

because of her leakings right miss kith

the heaters short yeah he does five six

hours

no yeah really yeah

okay so oh that's who you want to be

missed gif no every dude the only

streamers are xqc and hassan

everyone else does shorter excuse me so

your logic is you want to be hassan and

xuc and that and you said you want to be

mischief

no

no no that's the logic that you know

what if i wanna oh

you want to be the austin show

sure he gets a hundred thousand viewers

so why don't you have a show

aiden ross stream short too

yeah

all right you can be aiden ross bro so

you think what the people crave is you

sitting in your dark right

no dude it's look you haven't no i'm i'm

about to expose the sad truth you wanna

know here's the sad truth you have an

obligation to your chat no no let me let

me explain to you why

you're struggling to bump

average 2k right let me explain it to

you hit it this is a really sad tragic

case of zerka the defeated and that's

your name right now is zerko the

defeated

okay

your name is zerka the defeated everyone

remembers you as the irl guy you went to

austin with slicker you met misskip you

were collaborating you were out and

about you were

that's what produced all the memes about

you everything that makes anyone follow

you all of those things where you got

everything you got from that right and

now you're retired

now you're [ __ ] retired and you sit

in your dark room and the only viewers

and chatters that you have now are the

people who just want to sit and

reminisce on the good old days

wow and they're only sticking around not

because they like the circa now who sits

in the dark room but because they

remember the circa who was out and about

and actually doing [ __ ] in real life

wow that's the truth

that's the truth

wow

oh [ __ ] that was an execution dude

autoblock said the same things i

remember when you were crazy

yeah remember remember when you actually

would go to austin and do collaborations

and do irl and have ambitions and now

you just sit around and make excuses

damn bro i i actually think i'm gonna

shed a tear on my 40 000

bro well that 40 could have been an 80

that 80 could have been 80 could have

been a billion

what kind of logic is this bro why why

okay just book let's just book it let's

just go to austin why it's not even too

late bro sorry dude i actually just lied

by accident can i tell you the truth

one excuse give me one excuse can i tell

you the truth i lied by accident okay

why

i didn't

i didn't uh take into account my

paycheck right it's not forty thousand

it's way more

okay still not as much still

still not as much as you could so still

not as much you okay what's the one

[ __ ] okay name the one experience

let's go all right one excuse why you

can't [ __ ] go to [ __ ] austin

uh one excuse cause the it's the timing

it's so short notice

who cares

oh who cares that's a great one who can

no for real what do you mean short

notice all all you literally have to do

is book pack your [ __ ] and go

yeah the only thing is i'm i'm about to

buy a bitcoin dude

right i just want to see if i'm going to

get [ __ ] over dude

because if i get [ __ ] over and i get

stuck in the u.s

that would be scary right bro why don't

you take a risk

leave november first and go back to

canada before all this [ __ ] happens

someone dm me you're the reason why it's

so urgent for you is you're talking to a

girl for halloween

no

okay who is this girl oh i know her name

no she doesn't live in austin

live in austin

is that the [ __ ] up

none of them live in austin

she said she's going there no she's not

are you sure i swear to god she's not

oh

are you lying to me sir i swear to

[ __ ] god none of them are going to

austin it's not about girls

it doesn't matter when an atheist swears

to god

bruh i'm about to fly out i could just

fly them out for this week

oh

listen fly them out yeah

but uh to me to michigan but listen

nothing's going on in [ __ ] uh austin

okay the only thing that's going on in

austin

is halloween collaborative irl content

that's going to [ __ ] boost the [ __ ]

out of our views engagement

relevance and all that kind of stuff

there's there's more to life than

viewers man

you just exposed your hand

there's more to life than viewers what

the [ __ ] am i doing if not for viewers

dude if you wanted viewers you'd be in a

pink dress right now

no that's okay

matter of fact [ __ ] i needed someone

needs to photoshop that i want to see

what that looks like okay what's so

you're saying it's short notice and

that's why you can't [ __ ] book it

yeah i'm upset you this year for sure

i even if i have to fly to you and

harley individually yeah i'm gonna juice

you guys i'm gonna help you guys out mom

and dab you guys up you [ __ ] care you

all need sure

now harley don't need me but i

definitely gonna see you and harley in

the same room together this year i

guarantee it

yeah dude this year

the [ __ ] there's gonna be a [ __ ]

lockdown in december or november so it's

not happening

it's now or never

how do you know there's gonna be a

lockdown because everyone knows shit's

gonna hit the fan in december by the

latest

[ __ ] is coming

that's even worse news for me you

[ __ ] idiot yeah so austin

october halloween

content

in and out operation

yeah i got first of all i gotta check if

i can even move with uh

with uh through canada

or to the us you can

you can fly

i don't know

because i look this up you can't drive

but you can fly

yo why are we always talking about the

same old boring [ __ ] you're even stuck

in a loop bro talk to me about this

offline god this is the only way

you're going to be [ __ ] motivated

is if i shame you in front of all your

[ __ ]

your tribe needs to know your laziness

you're not a motivational dude you're a

fool yeah but if i tell you this in

private you'd be like just like how you

did and i did tell you in private and

all you [ __ ] did was go yeah yeah

whatever i'll get to now your whole

tribe sees the truth

there's just some extra stuff i can say

offline

what

yeah bro there's just some extra stuff

okay mute right now i'm you too

no no we're not doing that bro [ __ ] that

[ __ ] i always [ __ ] that up anyway don't

ever trust me when i do that [ __ ]

like what dude i leaked dms all the time

and he once said something and i leaked

the dm you remember that day

yeah that wasn't that bad listen you

okay you've been so good so you're

you're saying there's a good reason

i sent you a picture of my bottle and

then we leaked that that was that's not

true okay so you're saying there's a

good reason are you huh you're saying

there's a good reason

yeah of course yeah dude this whole

narrative that i just don't want to is

so cringe no it's not that you don't

want to the narrative is that you're too

low

energy now okay that's even worse coming

from a four hour streamer that's cringe

as [ __ ]

okay okay you know what

what if i'm just bored

sometimes and i just want to end stream

because i'm [ __ ] bored

that's that's like you're admitting you

don't like doing this

well i i want to diversify the portfolio

because i know if i just stay in this

room i'm not going to be able to go

anywhere

streaming is about networking and

collaboration

true

but also that's a big waste of money if

i just go for a few days i want to go

stay there no a week or uh like nine

days ten days

yeah

that's not a few days it's not a waste

of money

do you have any other topics bro

i'm about to start streaming and you

drain the [ __ ] out of me dude like you

are draining dude

bruh you are [ __ ] lazy and low energy

bro i feel bad for whoever you date you

just start random beef with people like

it's [ __ ] hilarious you remind me of

me when i used to do drugs

zero meat and potatoes i can't wait chad

when he when i [ __ ] send babes to his

[ __ ] hotel doorstep he gets laid and

i finally get to see him calm down i

can't wait for that now listen you know

he's just funny too you ever notice the

pattern i'm always trying to diversify

the content yo circuit do you hear about

back for blood yo circa the halo

infinite beta yo circa hey you know i've

always got these ideas and

you're always too scared to bite and do

something new

listen dude i'll interrupt my everything

i got planned if you have an idea right

now i'll run it with you okay why the

[ __ ] you what's up lean back you can

lean back and i'll carry what the [ __ ]

do you have planned what the [ __ ] do you

have planned

clearly it's not as great as you so what

do you got planned

okay i'm gonna react to an expo video a

[ __ ] halloween video and or or or i'll

buy and download back for blood but you

need its multiplayer you can't just play

by yourself

oh okay and so is it like a puzzle game

or what is it like no it's like left 4

dead it's the same as left 4 dead but

it's the newest one everyone's playing

on twitch

right okay so you you either want to do

react or that game and i can choose and

i'll [ __ ] i'll juice you up and grind

you up

no my views will go down to be honest

but

is it really about views are we just

waiting for train like what the [ __ ] is

wrong with you right i'm waiting on

until seven a.m i'm only gonna stay up

for like another hour

and a half at this at this point if i

had one viewer i'm just waiting for

train

trains not coming dude oh yeah then why

am i doing a 48 hour stream right now

he's not literally the train waiting

room bro

do you think you think i went live from

my viewers well you literally started a

cargo cult for train you're literally a

cargo cult where because some shipments

dropped you are you're listening

some shipments dropped on your island

and you created an entire call

things of substance no no i i'm saying

things

no no loyal gods would bless your

channel

i'm saying [ __ ] of substance now a few

uh shipments landed on your tribal

island and now you think it came from

the gods and you you think it's gonna

happen again and so you're worshiping

doing all this it's not gonna happen

again dude that's once all right here's

my prophecy here's my prophecy it's

gonna happen again not tonight

we don't know my prophecy isn't that

clear

i'm not you know

i predicted the last one i am not

joining this new religion of train gifts

where you stay up

train what about what about say less who

gifted ten thousand dollars there's

plenty here we're not your bum ass

community of brokes we we here believe

in god

well i don't get [ __ ] i don't get ten

thousand you don't get [ __ ] i'm too busy

gifting uh ink bites on the rest of them

because you're too [ __ ] lazy sleeping

on silk sheets like a [ __ ] loser

yeah i'm getting well rested and that's

why

my content more high energy than yours

more

i have a [ __ ] i have [ __ ] swords i

went to the [ __ ] halloween store and

got [ __ ] props the [ __ ] do you do

sitting in your dark room

i bought i bought a 300 dollars you're

[ __ ] slumped on your [ __ ] chair

sitting on your ass slumped on your

chair in your dark [ __ ] room your

[ __ ] room is dark as [ __ ] you don't

have any [ __ ] light you don't have

any [ __ ] content you don't ever

[ __ ] you don't ever [ __ ] dance for

your [ __ ] viewers you don't have to

do any [ __ ] higher notes

okay all right all right you're saying

you're saying you treat your stream with

a sword how much was that sword

doesn't matter

my sword that i ordered comes in a few

days before halloween is 300 how much is

your sword

yeah you know what don't it don't even

matter dude and uh why don't you tell us

how much your sword is like do you know

what let's try let's on let me ask the

question let's see what a good

businessman circus that's the scammer

circle what are you doing for halloween

yeah i got something planned bro what do

you have planned

what do you think i did last last year

do the chatters uh are the chatters

i go live uh downtown and i [ __ ] with

the people dressed up

wow so you think doing that for

halloween yeah he's getting last time

dude it was 3 000 viewers last time it's

really good without you so you think

with you

excuse me without you yeah so you think

doing so here here's the genius circle

the genius circa you think

that doing that is going to be more

viewers and better for the channel than

doing it not only with me but in austin

with all the other streamers plus the

ideas i have planned in my head to spice

it up before

yeah you're so dumb dude you're

literally planning this [ __ ] walking

around you just said

you think that's better when did i say

that's better

my [ __ ] plan is way better

yeah yeah yeah but why are you assuming

i think my plan is better because you're

going through with your plan instead of

mine

right but there's a whole pandemic it's

not about you it's not give a [ __ ] about

the [ __ ] pandemic get a vaccine

and then you're fine

last time i went to the airport to check

if it's okay to travel the guy put a

[ __ ] [ __ ] in my mouth and then i was

like what the [ __ ] like how many tests

do i have to do and then he said oh bro

this isn't the airport you got to walk

down a bit like there's stuff you have

to do before you travel you don't get

[ __ ] stupid bro it's very

strange you haven't been to an airport

yet

you haven't been to an airport man you

listen you haven't left you you you took

all your chatter's money and bought a

dollar sword and pretended it's for them

when really i'm trying to use this

[ __ ] money to fund the trip to

[ __ ] austin listen listen listen all

right you dumb

guy in your chat said

zerka's afraid of the [ __ ] i'm not

afraid it's the yeah you're [ __ ]

scared dude you think i'm scared of the

virus

yeah

that's okay you're scared of the virus

no no no my dna came out that i'm immune

right yeah no it's okay you're scared

here's nothing too

you know what else i think you're scared

to confront turbo put turbo on the call

right now put turbo's [ __ ] ass in the

car right now

put it put that little [ __ ] in the car

right now

i don't have mad i don't even know where

that is put him in the discord right now

that little [ __ ] waiting up right now a

little bit he said circa is a flap now a

little [ __ ] he's

he's only the one i'm off your pussy-ass

community is

he's a one-month sub he's not my friend

right now put america put him on right

now

american patriot is bullets viewer dude

these are people who are just gifted

right now get that [ __ ] coward on

right now

bro i don't these people are just gifted

subs i don't even know where they are

yeah so you're admitting to a coward ass

[ __ ] ass community no that's not my

core community your subs are cowards

shut the [ __ ] up why aren't they coming

on to talk to me bro you [ __ ] uh

i just hold on i'm bringing two of them

why aren't they coming

ask them

you want to ask them to talk absolutely

so strange that's so strange that they

don't okay you guys want to talk to

zurka i mean they can't hear you vc

tough guy

add him as a friend add him to this call

let's see how tough i want to hear his

shaky voice

put tear on right now you know tara

right that's the character of terry to

sue his parents he's in one ugly dude

yeah that terror guy is a fighter

i know who that guy is i saw his photo

bro todd is an og guy he's from the

youtube bro let me tell you something

his parents failed him

i don't know dude product you want to

talk to him yeah get in get in tough guy

i don't think he has a discord why i

talked about his family he should be

tough

he doesn't have a discord i got mad at

him on youtube and i asked him to get in

vc and he did he didn't

he

so whoa

holy [ __ ] really

oh my god so what this is a second time

pushing out

he doesn't have a discord or something i

don't know damn what about that guy in

your chat

what the [ __ ] do you mean what about

that guy who yeah i think his name is

exclamation mark uptime

shut the [ __ ] up bro i was i've been up

for four hours 30 minutes

it's so weird watching a chat that

doesn't get laid like are you guys

always angry

okay you know what

i would crack down on my own chat but

remember what happened when your chat

attacks me

oh no no no i have a rule i never

attacked your chat until they started

okay

anyway

the thing is is that you're declaring

the word the heart

says your american patriot says tell

that to my kids john cerco bro your kids

are little [ __ ] losers

your kids are getting bullied not only

not only are you uh [ __ ] over my chat

right now you're [ __ ] over your own

chat by cucking them out of [ __ ]

content dude you know my chat has never

said anything bad about you

yeah i know that's right they probably

agree with me right now

because you're [ __ ] taking content

away from them

all right they do they've agreed with

you ever since you made a stream about

talking [ __ ] about them calling you the

virgin ride

you know what i knew you milked that out

of them dude they were nice to you ever

since that day like you totally

brainwashed them that's not true yeah

they still they still call me that what

are you talking about

yeah turbo let me tell you something

about uturbo okay right you wouldn't

look me in my eyes in public you'd look

at your [ __ ] dusty ass shoes that

your mom got you after she spent [ __ ]

all year working uh at a working at a

place that hassan visited you know what

here's the circle you know you know what

zerka

are their moms too busy working at

places hassan visits

yeah yeah it's getting serious yeah yeah

like that you let them talk to me all

right we can do this you know what i'm

just saying

i'm reacting your stream now i'm it's

working

that place he visited got rated for you

know

all right okay okay anyway look i'm i'm

gonna i'm gonna

what the [ __ ]

he left

what the [ __ ] is he doing

he's saying he's going to war what does

that mean

what does that mean

your dollar sword

yo get back in the call with your [ __ ]

ass what are you [ __ ] doing you

[ __ ] left the call

to roast me on stream

what is this [ __ ]

get your [ __ ] ass back in the car what

the [ __ ] is this

you know what

yeah

listen zerka let me tell you something

you know what i wish

listen to me listen bro no no let's say

what i wish let me say what i wish hey

right now bro i wish i'm gonna say right

now bro

our alliance

listen if you want to join my nato pack

you need to clock in 10 hours a day

every day no let me tell you the truth i

wish i had just one other friend on

twitch because that friend

wouldn't ditch [ __ ] halloween

gonna betray you like griffith oh now

you're staying with tick-tock kids

who's griffith

thank you turbo jericho bro i you know

what's so funny dude

if my chat fought me i two-shot all of

them but if your chad fought me i'd one

shot all of them and most of you guys

would go down on a faint like they look

like cowards to me right now bro

you know what

my chat likes whoever i like

and

the reason they're coming at you now is

because i don't like you john the reason

the reason they're coming at you right

now is because uh

they can see how you

ditched

and took away the concept john jalapeno

says john shades his body like a lady

juan i literally took 200. dude listen

to me juan listen to me juan in the chat

let me tell you something yo circa you

realize

no can i respond to juan juan i know

you're talking [ __ ] about me yesterday i

checked you have donated 250 to me this

week so guess what bro no refunds you're

done bro you're banned after all that

donation these are all [ __ ] chatters

who got banned in your chat

or

they uh

they're too scared to say it in your

chat so they come in my chat to say what

they really think

um

really yes these are all your [ __ ]

your own people puma cave is that that's

not even true what are you talking about

dude i don't recognize any of these

names

forkey's my people stop acting like four

keys a haas guy that's my people

fork and i spend every night together

circa let me tell you what wait let me

reword that

after i said he's low testosterone okay

if that's true i'll unban you but i

don't remember that

you know what

so you you think the pinnacle of content

is just ufc streams

yeah that's literally why i that's

literally what i said that's perfect

analysis of me you're a genius

you know what you remind me of bro you

remind me of it [ __ ] einstein you're

a little genius oh my god is this how

you do bro i'm just trying to i'm just

trying to understand sure here

understand this ready ready i'm about to

buy one bitcoin

that's [ __ ] stupid

what are you gonna do

i'm not going to waste my money you're

going to buy an e-girl drink bitcoin

[ __ ] dipped

it's about to dip more

dude i don't know why you it's just

trained gift to do bitcoin now you're a

bitcoin guy

yeah yeah that's literally what happened

see they know here's the things real

quick yeah i was a true bitcoiner let me

get you i don't know when there was a

hey remember the dumbest thing you've

ever said you know you're like zerka i'm

a true crypto lord because i was there

when there was risks

you know who's there when there was

risks dumb [ __ ]

nah that was all oh i'm dumb i'm done

that's why i bought four etheriums for

seventy dollars each

oh really yeah okay the white makes me

dumb right all right then if that's true

then like then then what then then

you're a rich man why are they

subscribing to a rich man that they

should be marxist well i'm not rich but

i you know i know that ah yeah yeah

you're so 450

you know what's so the difference for me

and you

is when you do make millions on twitch

your whole marxist chat will turn on you

i don't give a [ __ ] and then second

thing

second thing

um here's the thing zerka you're not a

guy who's got long term plans you just

get you just get pulled in each and

every direction

like train gives you bitcoin now you're

a bitcoin guy uh like that's why

i have no i've always wanted bitcoin i

just couldn't afford it

you listen random [ __ ] just happens to

you and then you let that define you

yeah you know what that random [ __ ] is

it's called divine intervention because

you don't have god that's right

and then let me tell you something bro

let me tell you something

and then god sent me

to tell you to wake the [ __ ] up no no

[ __ ]

i talked to god recently and he said

that marxist will be the end of you

wow really you don't like you right now

he says that you're lazy genius and a

lot of geniuses are apparently messy and

lazy i'm messy i live messy but i'm not

lazy you know listen if i give my chat

10 hour streams

they're going to start taking me for

granted just like how your chat takes

you for granted

i have a guy who wants to debate you on

flat earth

yeah adam

okay genji get in the discord and uh

go on the come on show requests i'm

gonna add you and i'm gonna add you to

the call hey i'm not gonna be nice i'm

just telling you i'm not yeah he's not

gonna be nice to you

either thank you for the five by the way

but uh go in my command show requests

and he has to come up yeah announce

yourself i'll add you add me back and

i'll add hassle he has to come up yeah

and and zurka said you got a camo and

remember my chat don't like people who

come up just remember that

okay you're genji i'm gonna add you

add friend

is the name is night witch

knight

what the [ __ ] okay add me back

i wanna be genji

okay i thought zerka was a real one

shake my head

listen dude listen peter

any

okay

equivalent to your parents spitting on

you hello your name is peter dude

genji

hello

[Laughter]

this is who this is who you bring from

your army so no they are no no no let

him talk let him talk

i don't know who they are

i just got donated five and then they

said they wanted

no no no he's representing your

community now okay and tell him to untie

his shirt

okay wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

wait wait wait wait hold on

really quick i i am a trans woman i go

by she her but i don't care if you mess

up i will say though

i live in vancouver and i matched with

john zerk on tinder

damn

so who are you roasting zurka

uh obviously this is my date yeah

i messaged you uh it was when you were

banned on twitch i said how does it feel

to be banned on twitch what did i say

we didn't message back

i finally got no no no snap stop stop

i'm gonna message you right now don't

leak name i'm so sorry i'm gonna send

you flowers and everything

that's totally fine that's fine

okay

are we gonna debate now yeah let's do it

flat earth sure

hit it okay um i think uh

people have known for thousands of years

that uh

um the earth is round

right right

hundred percent uh-huh

uh

they ask why you think the earth is flat

uh before we get into that you're saying

for thousands of years they've known the

earth is round

would it be fair to say for thousands of

years they've said it's flat as well

i don't think so no

so you think that

so you think sure you think flat earth

is a new phenomenon

you suck at this actually yeah i think a

lot of the flat earthers i think a lot

of the flat earthers around now is a

kind of new phenomena i think if you

look at what a lot of flat earthers say

it's far more of a a progressive

movement

uh

any idea in the past they're trying to

push to a new idea

sure sure so all ancient cosmologies and

religions that talk about flat earth

that's just fake

i think their uh their views are

misinformed really

yeah

what about the bible

yeah i don't think i don't think the

bible is a great uh greatness no no no

no no no does it say it's flat in the

box

does it say it's flat in the bible

i believe it says it's fat in the bible

right and how old is the bible

yeah i mean the the old testament's a

couple thousand years old

right but you said that for thousands of

years they knew it was around i'm not

using the bible to show you it's flat

i'm telling you well you sound like an

idiot i didn't say i didn't say

i specifically christians but no i'm not

i'm not specifically christians either

really

yeah

right right so uh when the bible is

around you admit that they talked about

it being flat

i mean i guess yeah sure so do you want

to you know yeah you want to walk around

we can do it we can i think no

i will destroy in the whole debate but

you have to walk it back now

sure you know what i think that's

totally fair there were definitely

people in the past that said the earth

was uh

all right okay okay the position i'm

gonna take is that they were misinformed

they're wrong so that's one zero okay

give me another topic and you know what

you can choose because that's way easier

for me

okay

um

how would you account for

the fact that there is a flight between

cape town south africa

and oh [ __ ] australia

sure all

all flights make sense on a flat earth

map matter of fact that's not true

really the flight from cape town to

australia would not be possible

if you pull up a map

hold on hold on a measure distance that

it would be is further than any plane

can fly sure if i drop all flight trails

and i can give you a thousand and

they're straight lines on my map but

weird weird weird

rest stops in different countries on

yours would that make you a flat earther

if you can prove to me specifically the

cape town flight from cape town

australia oh it's only one

right but if i show you a thousand

different flights they'll all be null

and void for one flight right

you can just admit it yeah just say yeah

i'm not going to it's not a god i'm

confused can you repeat it yeah if i

show you a thousand flights that makes

sense on a flat earth map right all

flight trails you could say they're all

null and void because of your cape town

flight right

you want to choose that particular

flight [ __ ] boring like you should

address that specific flight sorry i

understand what you mean right right

right

thank you so much hold on hold on

so let me get this straight yeah

all these other flights appreciation

if i show you all these other flights

you'll close your ears and be like

and only talk to me about cape town

right

if okay if you can

could you show me an example of a flight

that would work on a flat earth flat

earth map that doesn't work on a globe

map that exists today

yes i could actually you know what

i will literally send you everything i

have after this call but you have to

admit

that the other flights matter too you

can't do that whole one sure i mean all

the flights matter but it's uh okay cool

if all the fights matter do you know how

much you're gonna lose you're gonna lose

by 99 of this no dude all the flights

work on globe i love the cape town one

but damn that's what's keeping you on

the globe

i mean all like literally all the

flights will work on a round globe okay

sure sure i'll i'll send it to you don't

worry i promise okay so let me get this

straight all right so that's one one

they hell no it's not one one you're

you're about to lose to a thousand

different flight trails actually i could

give you ten thousand right okay if i

really wanted it

i haven't seen any you haven't given me

any examples

you haven't shown how the f how did the

cape town uh south africa for example

australia i promise i'll get it all

organized for you okay and we're doing

you owe me money when i win this

okay i'm gonna i don't have that much

money but i can

uh we can do 100 i can't do that dude

50. i got it

i can do

no no you know

you know the earth is round so just bet

100.

dude it's

it's not a it's not a matter of it being

around but i

i don't wanna don't gamble money you

don't can't afford to lose you know

so you think there's a chance you'll

lose and the earth is fly

pick a new [ __ ] topic no one cares

about

i haven't seen a single example sure you

i'll get it all ready for you don't

worry when i have time i literally send

you everything and each

flight i send you will be a dollar you

owe me

okay that's fair that's fair because i'm

spending a lot of time on this okay okay

you know number two

at eight inches per mile square you

should be able to see curvature at a 30

000 altitude flight that's an airplane

but weather balloons 100 000 weather

balloons sent up by flat earth there's

at 120 thousand feet in altitude measure

zero curve

have you ever seen curvature

online

curvature that doesn't come from

government

and you know your own identity eight

inches what is it the eight inches per

square mile or whatever that's only true

for the first mile

someone wakes salt enough

okay

at what altitude do you see curvature

um i don't have the specific altitude in

mind

all right i mean what about an airplane

what are butterflies we have photos of

the earth from both the american and

chinese governments who are in a cold

war right now um what the cringe

yeah but you know if one of them was

putting out fake information

you know photos from satellites of the

soviet union have confirmed that the

earth is round okay if there if the if

you believe in this hardcore cold war uh

which country owns antarctica

no country's zone antarctica

isn't there a 57 agreed nations that uh

there's an antarctic treaty

they have

agreed to

none of them can claim the land

officially but they can all set up

scientific operations in antarctica yeah

right so you're admitting that they work

together where is your cold war they

work together

for a place where a place like

antarctica that admiral byrd

studied and and said it was rich in

resources

you're telling

everyone in your chat and everyone in my

chat and god knows me we all know about

admiral byrd we all know about the

[ __ ] eight miles per squared flight

we all [ __ ] know about the [ __ ]

sidelines we all [ __ ] know about all

these weather balloons we all [ __ ]

know about the red bull [ __ ]

uh fisheye lens we all we literally know

everything about this that you're saying

you've said it before you're not saying

anything new

i've heard it 10 trillion [ __ ] times

i've heard it 10 trillion [ __ ] times

if you've heard it it's a million times

right like you said why did you just say

eight inches per square flight and and

then also polaris the north star right

that one too

don't maybe forget polaris the north

star

and uh what else the the [ __ ] uh the

the lands beyond the our antarctic okay

right hold on hold on hold on hold on

hold on

hold on hold on hold on i love that rant

when you said in that rant and i just

clipped it you said eight inches you

said eight inches per square foot

whatever it is you just repeat it every

[ __ ] time what are you talking about

by eight inch flight i don't get what

that means how do i i don't that's what

it sounds like to us he's

nixon nixon talking on the landline

phone that one too yeah and you know

what's crazy as you've accepted the most

corrupt president ever you've accepted

every debate in your career except two

weeks ago when i challenge you to this

one

because i defeated you on this [ __ ]

debate no no we [ __ ] debated about

telescopes you didn't you literally said

telescopes are fake you literally said

telescopes are fake can i say that you

said on the vaude this is literally what

you said oh i can't do this so i'm going

to let destiny's ex do it and she got no

i didn't say i can't do what i said yeah

she's so [ __ ] boring let destiny's ex

do it right she wanted to do it

when i [ __ ] debated you about

telescopes and you lost your debate

about telescopes you're interrupting

your subscriber right now

are you my subscriber thing you can't

[ __ ] deal with it i am a sub i've

subbed for two months

are you a marxist too

yeah i mean i hesitate can i ask you a

question since you're a marxist can i

ask you a question

who's more important the worker or the

architect

i mean i guess like i'm sort of confused

by the question you're not confused

you're lying you're lying marxist

no like you're not you're not confused

don't play dumb i didn't come here to

debate marxism intentionally because i'm

still learning i was going to say

because i i want to i'm sorry

i could be a better marxist than you

guys dude i did not come here to

advocate for it because i fully admit

i'm still learning you're still two

months and house hasn't house hasn't

taught you [ __ ] in two months

how's i'm learning a lot but dude

honestly i just like to hear something

why don't you why

why don't you stop pretending it's a

hard question and say they're equal

i would say yeah they're i mean

like if you mean architect in terms of

like designing and laying out the plans

and the workers in terms of jesus

yeah cringiest argument i've ever heard

from marxism i could do better

i mean okay

you're pivoting off flat earth because

you can't no no no i just want to i want

to see if i could beat you

we're going back to flat earth now we're

going back to flat earth

how do you do seasons on a flat earth

model whoa you're not going to answer

the curvature there

what curvature oh yeah how high are you

curvature

exactly

all right ellie thank you so much for

coming on oh no no no don't do that

don't do that

i already did it i'm not [ __ ] sitting

through more flat earth we just [ __ ]

actually boring

i'm [ __ ] pissed you're [ __ ]

sacrificing irl halloween contest oh my

god you're sacrificing irl halloween

content you're more [ __ ] flattered oh

why did you cuck that

because there's no [ __ ] need for more

flat earth [ __ ]

dude you've debated about it 10 trillion

times you always have the same argument

you just kicked your subscriber dude

that's not cool

no it is cool because

if i didn't do that you would you would

literally have dragged it on for

eternity but

dude i i

you didn't like the marxist take that uh

she she she gave

dude i've argued with you about this

before i [ __ ] no you haven't you

agreed with me you idiot before i became

a streamer yeah before you became a

streamer you're like yeah yeah yeah

zerka the architect i get it

no you said i'm like no i made a really

good argument and you were just like oh

yeah

yo give the good argument since your

chat can't have one argument they're

like uh question mark architect is

nothing without the worker that's the

cringiest [ __ ] i've ever heard you're

architect is nothing stupid as [ __ ] dude

you're [ __ ] dumb as [ __ ] because all

creative inspiration has to take as its

baseline raw material

that is tried and tested through

practice in material reality which means

this is vosh this is literally vosh

where he just does like a long-winded

answer because he can't answer it okay

let me explain it to you like this

what's more important imagination or

experience you know what's crazy

what's more important yeah listen

more important imagination or experience

listen when people on my show don't give

a direct answer you freak out no no no

i'm not getting okay you can't give a

direct answer here give a short and

sweet one go ahead the worker

and now let me ask you a question

hold on i gotta read out what they said

holy [ __ ] how does this community suck

at debating okay go ahead

i literally brought on one random person

was it bring another bring another right

now i dare you i'm bringing on sultan

whenever he wakes up i'm bringing him is

he gonna come up

uh no but that's okay but okay listen

so

why no so here let me ask you a question

what's more important imagination or

experience oh here we go bro here we go

dude don't do the houdini thing why

don't you just explain the [ __ ] you mean

houdini it's so imagination or

experience bro you every debate you want

can you answer can you [ __ ] do a

direct answer can you ask why the

architect okay i'll explain i'll explain

it the reason the worker is more

important is because if they're actually

a worker this means they're actually

doing [ __ ] in real life already right

and without them providing that

foundation there's no wiggle room for

someone to experiment and do something

different now i the archetype is

important

because the architect

has the creativity and the wiggle room

to apply their architectural knowledge

to build new things right beautiful but

without workers who are already building

things in real life in actual practice

the architect has nothing to draw from

and no baseline it's just like it's same

thing when it comes to food think of

food what's more important what's more

important a chef or a hunter

a [ __ ] hunter because without the

hunter you don't [ __ ] eat

but but didn't the hunter get inspired

by the chef no he [ __ ] didn't

let me tell you the difference between a

chef and a hunter a hunter is a guy i'm

making my argument

a hunter is a [ __ ] guy who's already

getting food and if you don't already

have food you can't [ __ ] eat and have

the free time to mix and match food like

a you know in this girly way so that's

what i'm [ __ ] trying to tell you the

hunter is more important just like the

worker is more important

copium you [ __ ] dumbass before there

was any [ __ ] genius architect human

beings were you know making huts and

making shelters because you need to do

[ __ ] in reality and have experience

first and then you can be an airy fairy

creative soul only after you have a

solid foundation of hard thank you

okay thank you yo explain now who's more

important the architect or the worker

the worker

why do you you are actually hilarious

man i love you and i already explained

it you know what you know what it's

crazy because you once said to me you're

like if it ain't simple it's not the

truth

it is simple the worker really it's

simple

it's so simple it's the worker

yeah that's beautiful because when you

first sat down my channel before you had

a stream you sound a lot more bass that

day

because i said the same [ __ ] i literally

said the same [ __ ] no you paused and

laughed actually

yeah because you know what

i'm right on this [ __ ]

you know

do you think do you think the minute i

framed it as experience no the minute i

framed it as experience where on god you

sound [ __ ] right now the minute i

framed it as experience versus

imagination you knew you lost

can the architect be a worker

yeah

so shut the [ __ ] up you idiot

what do you mean

go shut the [ __ ] up you idiot no you

know exactly what i mean

you're making [ __ ] up to lie to your

marxist viewers you know exactly what i

mean

no my point is still thank you bro

whether the architect listen bro you

literally just admit it

hunting hold on hunting

there's a paragraph guy who's smarter

than you so he actually summed it up

better than you can hunting and work

your argument hunting and working are

easy they are dispensable because

there's endless people who can take

their place true the architect has a

skill that's cognitively demanding that

most people can't do true it's a scarce

resource so it's more valuable not true

the reason that's not true

is because in actual reality

dude in actual reality let me tell you

why are you dating chad no because he's

he's summed it up in a way better than

he did he's not even debating he's

defending you he's giving you your

argument that's your dumb ass i don't

know what's your argument your argument

is basically you're going to talk about

okay

this is the point

without an architect

you would still survive

you wouldn't survive as you admit has

that the architect can be a worker too

yeah but here's the thing

hold on hold on did you lie to everyone

just now when you said workers are more

important you admit that the architect

can be a worker you idiot

what okay why so

walk it back and don't know the right

okay you [ __ ] don't know no no

everyone

walk it back now say the architect's

more important if he can shapeshift as a

worker you need to walk it back now or

you're disingenuous why why why

oh my god who cares about archetypes of

deal work this is big rush

who cares if the architect can be a

worker who who you just said earlier the

worker's more important so clearly you

care

yeah who cares

why so earlier you said worker why

didn't you say who cursed earlier

because you're not the only one

okay let me ask you a question you think

bro

can a chef be a hunter no bro can a chef

be

no he can why can't he be a [ __ ]

hunter because he's a beta [ __ ] like

the people in your chat but he still can

be a hunter

what how

because he can just learn to do the

simple task

can a dgr hunt

if they're forced to to survive

you suck bro

say right now

no no by your logic say that in

hunter-gatherer times dgrs would have

been hunters

they would have been [ __ ] hunters but

still hunters

man you just so favored this bro the

fakest argument on earth man if okay

then they would just die they wouldn't

exist

they would have to be hunters all right

look dude dude my chat's saying copium

and like you need to walk it back now

circa if listen you all you do is

[ __ ] yeah hold on i just get it for

the clip say the architect can be a

hunter or architect no no no say the

architect can be a worker the architect

can be a worker the worker's more

important

so in your argument is your argument

that the reason why that means the

architect is more important because

you [ __ ] [ __ ] literally left in

[ __ ] style i can't believe this you

literally

is your argument

is your argument this

that the architect is

you're basically saying you'll actually

look dumber if you stay on the

don't go to hunter

shut up you're basically saying

stay on architect and work

basically

i dare you to not do you you are [ __ ]

you are basically saying

that

a worker isn't smart enough to be an

architect but anyone could be a worker

that's what you're saying right

obviously okay so that's your argument

that's your argument you're just too

afraid to admit it no that's the

argument of the guy in the paragraph

that i read out so we could speed this

up and simplify it okay

the issue the issue architecture yeah

the issue with that argument is this all

it proves is that architects are more

rare or harder to be

god damn bro you sound so perfect right

yeah

but in terms of in reality which one is

more necessary it's the worker

because if all the architects died off

people would still be building huts and

[ __ ]

they would still be working so the

default is that architects are just

dying and

and so are workers are you dumb well no

the the example you know the framework

we're using is earth and people don't

just [ __ ] die you idiot you can't add

a zombie okay okay so

you interrupt man yeah let's let's

let's let's frame it this way

if you don't do the marxist a zombie

apocalypse thing you lose heart so stop

doing it

it's a simple [ __ ] point about who's

more necessary if all the workers you're

saying you're saying it's the same thing

if they start dying off you [ __ ] no

circa if there's no workers then there's

no shelter why would there be no workers

if there's no architects there's no one

because it's necessary why would they

work

necessary

who is more necessary

all right hold on hold on

why would there be no workers house

what happened is it zombie apocalypse

you suck at this okay so there's okay so

how do you

okay then how do we know who's more

necessary

[Music]

how do we know who's more necessary

listen dude listen listen all you know

is one is a more valuable player the guy

that can be a worker and an architect

you've lost and another thing saying oh

what if the workers said who's more

important you said was more important

you didn't say who's more valuable you

said it was more important

yikes if you okay if you just decide all

right [ __ ] it [ __ ] it i'll say more

important you want to run semantics like

this yeah go ahead

you said more important

yeah you run semantics bro i think more

importantly

the workers more accounting

the architect is a worker you [ __ ]

you're saying when you say who's more

important you're basically saying

who is needed more

yes or no yeah yeah let's do it who's

needed more the big brain or the worker

the worker

really because yeah zombie apocalypse

coming to kill them all

you're an idiot because because without

the worker then every time let me tell

you something

every time you laugh you know why you're

live

without the worker there is nothing

without the architect there's just

nothing new

without the architect there's nothing

new without the worker there's nothing

yeah that's that's assuming workers are

vanishing into out of you know into thin

air you're so stupid

okay i get your point okay i get you so

say i won say i won't but but then why

even get your points okay

cannot disappear

right then why even

ask who's more important

none of them are more important they're

equally important then

they're equally important keep going

with that keep going

when you say okay when you say who's

more important what do you mean do you

mean like who's more necessary if the

other person didn't exist

oh my god

dude if they both have to coexist in

this example you idiot if they both have

to coexist and they're equally important

you dumb [ __ ]

so would you equally pay them then

no obviously the architect is more rare

and is harder one is more important one

is higher skill and is harder to be yeah

and takes more brain power and is more

scarce let me tell you something it's

this is the argument there's one genius

that changes the system makes it more

fair for everyone his name is karl marx

you're chad

with dumbfox they are not problems

that's true

is your chat karl marx no

who's more important karl marx or you're

chat

oh my god in what you suck bro you are

so sneaky bro you suck at this bro

you're the worst debater i've ever met

in my life you're the question no no

answer the question who's more important

carl marx is more important than my

[ __ ] chat that's the whole argument

it's not the [ __ ] argument say i won

say i won now say you're [ __ ] lost

you suck at that everything there's been

you

know tell you this you're only good

faith when you're winning circa the only

time you get angry during a debate you

know what's funny

you get you get angry

shut the [ __ ] up

the only reason the only reason you're

yelling and getting angry is because you

can't process the idea of losing i get

angry because i'm literally on the right

side i'm defending the truth you're

defending ego if you're on the right

side you would have said your chat's

more important they're the workers

how are they working you suck at this

how was my [ __ ] chat the workers you

dumbass you're brain dead mcdonald's

workers no what you should say is

who's more important everyday people or

intellectuals like marx

yeah go ahead everyday people

absolutely everyday people yeah because

everyday people are for the better of

humanity nice

everyday people contain the potential

for a million marxists marx is just one

actuality

every day people used to [ __ ] kill

communists yeah i know but guess what

you don't even know you're not

everything comes listen shut up

to me is sweaty dudes who are literally

the most corrupt people on earth are

more important than marx's that's where

marx

came from

hold on let me finish let me finish

they're more important than his

consciousness circa before you knew who

marx was marx was one of those people

that's exactly my architect being a

worker point you [ __ ] yeah and that

means yeah okay what's more important

the plant or the soil we're not doing

your question what's more important the

plant or the soil

you sound like my grandfather the foil

that's where the plant comes from the

plant comes from the soil

okay

there's no potential for plants

okay sure let me do that let me pretend

to be you for a sec okay but without the

soil the plant is useless

no

you can eat the plant

but without the soil there's no

possibility for a plant to grow you dumb

[ __ ] have a plant without soil

you can rip it out of the soil and eat

it and do what you want with it

[Laughter]

and you could use it you could eat it

but guess what you can't create more of

them so you have to kill them you can't

create more of them you have to kill the

plant

yeah

wow

this is this is the best one and and if

you remove

marks from the people you're killing the

soul of marx

damn you got [ __ ] destroyed

yeah i feel destroyed

zurich listen no dude this whole debate

you know why i got angry when you see

that guy

when you said the architect was a worker

you go watch your face when you said

that

i dare you to go look at your clip the

point it has circles

the point is i could be a better marxist

than you because you don't okay let's

let me illustrate you logically why that

doesn't help you ready

ready

what are we ready the plant and the soil

stuff okay okay

now let's ask a question

let's ask a question

ready

oh i can't wait for this i can't wait

for this

okay zirko who's more important

a comic book artist or a farmer

wow

definitely the farmer but a comic book

artist can be a farmer

what a comic book artist can be a farmer

or did you hear that really yeah so

you're telling me if i put a fat dgr

from from reddit on a farm he will know

what to do with the point is no no no no

no no no no no no don't you run don't

you run then right now

okay okay come on

no no you have to stop right now you

have to stop right now you're telling me

you're telling me are you there yeah

you're telling me that the fat dg or the

ritz comic books

will know what to do on a farm he can

learn how to be a farmer yeah

absolutely

yeah you you just dude anyone can be

taught the farm

you know what's so funny and you're

conflating the farmer with the architect

which is the funniest thing ever too

is this the most pathetic no

dude you know what's so broken

i dare you to stay i dare you to say

again the architect was a worker it'll

be very clear then by by your logic not

mine by your logic the architect can't

be a worker he's a [ __ ] intellectual

brainy guy he can't get his hands dirty

and then build [ __ ] with his [ __ ]

hands

so now then

i'm the one who thinks that

thinks thanks for that yeah

plastic straws like uh with the way this

uh debate turns out there's no way this

is scripted i'm like no listen listen

i'm the one who actually he actually is

a smart guy but listen i'm the i'm the

one who thinks i'm the one who thinks

that comic book artists architects and

people who work with their brain

bro people who work with their

imagination can be manual laborers but

not every manual laborer can work with

their imagination in a creative

and unique way

that's true listen no listen

shut up shut up faith

a manual laborer

not all manual laborers have what it

takes

to be

smart enough with their head to produce

you might lose

shut up for one second

you interrupting andy that's all you

have is interrupting yeah i'll write it

down so i'll repeat that yeah all you

have is interrupt me but

an architect

people who work with their minds

can be manual laborers

because the manual labor is a

standardized job

it's repetition and it's based on

[ __ ] people are already doing if it's a

creative job where you use your mind

obviously not everyone can do that but

when i use the example of a comic book

artist being able to manually work on a

farm my point was even though that this

person can just learn how to work on a

farm and not every farmer has what it

takes to be a successful and good comic

book artist

the farmer's still more important

because without the farmer you don't

have [ __ ] food to eat to be able to

[ __ ]

be a comic book artist in the first

place that was my point just because an

architect can be a manual worker doesn't

[ __ ] mean the architects more

valuable when it comes to actual reality

because without the workers there's no

one to actually [ __ ] build any

shelters

to begin with why are you assuming a

reality without the worker

because it's to see it's an abstraction

to see who's more necessary for reality

well what if the zombie apocalypse

didn't happen and the workers still

there

well then what do you mean that the

architect is more important if not that

they are more essential you know you

know what i mean you just aren't allowed

to down this hill what do you mean

circle what do you mean do you think you

you know exactly what you mean yeah i

know it's finished man why are you

interrupting you know what i mean you

know if you die on this hill you lose

followers no here's what you mean i know

exactly i'll literally tell you which is

another thing

why do you think you had you know how

you talk loud and abrasive why do you

think you softened up your tone when

you're talking about the work you you

i have to talk fast because you keep

interrupting i'm telling you you

softened up your tone you had to baby

your chat through that because you can't

say directly

you are ninety percent man let me finish

up speculation about i haven't seven

beginning every time 90 speculation on

optics doesn't [ __ ] matter no i'm

saying i'm saying listen dude there's a

reason why you're a loud guy but you

have to soften your voice when you talk

about the worker being dumb i'm

hold on i dare you to look at the camera

you're calling me you're coping about

objects i'll do it if you do it look at

your camera and tell your chat that the

average worker is stupid as [ __ ]

chat the average worker is stupid as

[ __ ]

beautiful go ahead

okay listen

circa

i'm going to explain it to you simple

what you mean to say destiny's watching

i don't give a [ __ ] about destiny listen

destiny you you can't watch our content

bro listen

what you mean to say

what you actually mean to say here

is that architects are more

rare and more skilled and more talented

and that

what they do is more unique more

creative and most importantly

most [ __ ] importantly when it comes

to a successful architect

thank you trav tennessee appreciate you

cannot be standardized beautiful so all

you are missing from me is the

vocabulary of rare and important

absolutely you know why you can't say

that because of that they're more

important

yeah why because importance is weighed

and measured

based on which one is more essential for

our reality

just like how food is essential to

survive so and oxygen is essential to

survive sure sure so if in a world where

the worker can't be deleted out of the

argument right yeah

right would i be right then

um

you would you would not be right you

would be saying something meaningless

you would be saying something

meaningless you would be saying

thank you tennessee appreciate you a lot

you would be saying something

meaningless you would be saying

something meaningless if you go if i

watch all of haaz's debates he never

pauses when he pauses it's like uh it's

like a second i got a [ __ ] i got 10

subs you optics speculate 20 subs that

was earlier i got no it was right now a

minute ago i got [ __ ] uh 25 subs

thank you so much i appreciate it all

right yo another speculation optics

another thing listen

hold on another thing yo destiny's not

allowed to take my argument for that

debate because then he'll whoop your ass

he's got to do something else listen

circa zirco let me tell you something

let me just do a question what's more

important

remember the words are more important

not more rare not more valuable

monetarily but more important

water or pepsi

water of okay why

because you need it to live

okay but does pepsi does pepsi oh no you

can't live on pepsi no you does pepsi

contain water

it does

does water contain pesticides

with water does water contain pepsi

do you here's what you're trying to ask

can you live off pepsi just no i'm

asking which one's more important forget

about

forget about survival i literally

already answered you forget about first

rabble for both of them being able to

exist

for both of them being able to exist the

point is

without water wait wait wait why did you

just change it

because you it's you're overly

comfortable you're complicating it too

much without water you're the one who

asked without water pepsi would not be

possible to make pepsi would not be

possible this is this without pepsi

you would still have water

this is your high iq warrior

the [ __ ] up bro respond

do

the argument it's hard because as soon

as i respond you change the argument

you're like you know [ __ ] survival

zerka the point is

there's water in pepsi and there's no

pepsi in water and yet water is still

more important

existentially speaking

yeah it did you know what's so funny bro

here's what's so funny is you've already

said the architect is a worker and he's

more important you've already said this

so why are you arguing

i never said the architect's more

important

i have the clip

no

you know what i think this is no no

you're here i'm about to expose you

you said if you mean more rare and this

and that yes

if that's all you mean

but important it doesn't just mean that

and let me tell you something else

let me tell you something else the

reason you're hung up on this architect

[ __ ] is cause you're literally a

freemason

worshiper of the grand architect

satanist i just exposed you wow you

literally worshipped the grand architect

of freemason freemasonry

okay yeah

gotcha

okay

the grand architect i agree i have horns

right now you have zero

sense of true divinity and holiness you

believe in the grand architect satanic

pagan free masonic luciferian satanism

just explode

do you always call them a satanist when

you lose

nah you just you just exposed yourself

as a side

hold on is it satanic to drink water or

pepsi

look

he's more

since i'm the son of god i'll always say

god right no it sounds like you say

lucifer the lightbringer

oh it sounded like that my bad the

morning star all right let me ask can i

ask you the ultimate question to prove

my iq

go ahead

what's more important

water or pepsi

water

damn i feel smart i'm so glad i thought

of that

circa you literally suck at debates you

know what's [ __ ] embarrassing dude

dude we're not a lot of babies

you suck at debates and the only reason

you've ever won any debate is because

the other person was just

so stupid and wrong

you mean destiny right yes

or or irrelevant

right

but irrelevant to whoever stop stop you

were once debating destiny and he said

mainstream media likes fox news and cnn

do not make up fraudulent stories and

you couldn't even [ __ ] attack that

that's not true you were on with rem

remember that

yeah i did it i did uh did you have more

of your subscribers

i did debate him on it what do you [ __ ]

he didn't want to debate on if he was

tired

you should bring that up

look zucker

hello and remember he did all this [ __ ]

to cover his tracks because he [ __ ]

ditched for halloween remember that

remember

how's that i'm the architect and you're

the worker no you are literally you're

not even you're neither you're [ __ ]

neither you're not you're a [ __ ] guy

who's saying i

invented i invented infrared show no

zerka let me tell you exactly i am the

grand architect of the circa you are the

[ __ ] bum of twitch you sit in a dark

corner and [ __ ] just react to the

lights dude and you yell at the people

passing by that's what you are you're

just the bum of twitch

you're a four-hour bum

at least i'm full-time

[Laughter]

you know what

they kicked their ass you have no

architects

they kicked your ass out of law school

and gave you a yeti and said go yell in

this

circus

yeti you you

here since i have so many engineers from

my chat who who do you have in your chat

go be honest

what

like what's the best job someone in your

chat has besides like you know being a

marxist [ __ ] i have [ __ ] uh

do you have that you have engineers i

have engineers plus i have philosophers

mysteries

name one

that's confidential

[Laughter]

in my chat i got biologists i got a

computer science

i got a guy who works at wendy's i got a

web developer

i got a

investment banker

your chat is filled with workers that's

why they're triggered no that's not true

that is true

listen zirco you know what let me tell

you the truth let me tell you that come

up bro can i at least come up bro yeah

i'm up i'm naked no but don't camo what

the [ __ ]

no i'm gonna put clothes on

put clothes on and then camo

oh [ __ ] we got a 500 bit donation it

says praise jesus you are a devil

worshiper for proving me wrong since i

contradicted myself in every argument

forgive me for my terrible debate oh

it's from haas

that's the [ __ ] it says release the holy

did you actually send that

who the [ __ ] sent that [ __ ] can they

they're changing their names i guess

okay there's a guy who's who's trying to

resolve the conflict ready he said

listen dude it did if you can't do it

who the [ __ ] is no he said listen listen

to me explain no

he's he's trying to defend you but i'm

not explaining why he's wrong no no no

he said he said listen listen to me

don't strum on me explain to him what it

is i don't think

a semantical disagreement when circa

says impeachment

hold up hold up semantical disagreement

you change the definition of important

to rare and this and that no i didn't do

that you know what he's saying he's

saying when circus says importance he

means higher value and skill

you mean what is essential for society's

survival

no [ __ ] but you have them in society

already they're not disappearing

idiot no that's not true

oh really or where the working class is

going to disappear and die off

well let me tell you when that work when

that working class decides to go on

strike the architect starves

there you go

argument over

yeah yeah because i see a lot of

billionaires starving when the farmer

stops growing his food can i ask you

something can i ask you how many

billionaires starved when walmart went

on strike that's one company

uh which one do you want do you want to

know the combined power of the working

class national strike oh we're doing

fantasies no wonder you wanted a zombie

apocalypse dude it happened before

national strikes happened dude you know

what's you know what sucks is destiny's

gonna steal my argument now he always

does this

listen this is you don't ever debate me

live because now your enemies come take

my [ __ ]

let me no no i don't need you to lose i

don't wait it looks like what zurich is

actually saying

is he takes the working class for

granted

right whoa oh do you think my chat gives

a [ __ ] that's your chat that cries about

that [ __ ] your chat's like has tell me i

made a good smoothie at mcdonald's

are you are we on the revolution

literally no i literally said are you

shut the [ __ ] up i literally said people

who work at starbucks are not workers so

shut the [ __ ] up dude so julian who

hates me never subscribes all of his

[ __ ] chat is talking [ __ ] about me

said oh my god this is a slaughter show

the guy who hates me said that yeah

cause he hates me more you dumbass

really you think you know this guy of

course he hates me more you know this

guy

um that's what i thought well i'm going

to assume anyone who hates you hates me

more

that's if they hate you they hate me way

more because i'm way more important

actually be honest you actually have

anyone like engineer doctor in your

discord that actually watches your

stream yes

and you can't name one i don't i can't

even name anyone dude

um i'mma believe you because you're a

good faith guy all i can [ __ ] uh name

is sultan but he's not online right now

so i'm satanic huh

yeah you believe in the grand architect

when did i say that i don't remember

that well you just have this idea that

you know the grant

let me tell you the difference between

the

the difference from an atheist and me

is we got some big donators and your

guys they they just gifted 25 subs what

was that about

that's it that's a lot

they got a push bro they got to push

don't they want that you know what i

gotta push harder ungrateful you're just

ungrateful

uh i'm gonna tell you something dude

right

if you were to give me 10 million

dollars today i'd say i'm worth way more

you know and and why why that is and why

your chat can't say that about

themselves is their workers

holy [ __ ] another 20.

you know what 20 gifted that's 60. holy

[ __ ] real i love you man

who gave them even turned on my camera

holy [ __ ] bro that's crazy man

you know uh yo yo

dm destiny and say you're not allowed to

use zerka's argument dm him right now

shut the [ __ ] up bro i'm telling you bro

cause he won't listen to me he's mad at

me right now

destiny's not gonna use your [ __ ]

dumb ass if he does what if he does dude

you call him out on it because i'm not

watching okay i will i definitely will

i'll write it down

i'll be like how could you use the most

dumb ass argument of all time from zerko

please don't holy [ __ ] anonymous gifter

with the 30.

30 that's it

shut the [ __ ] up bro that's

damn 30.

that's that's his whole mcdonald's

paycheck

shut the [ __ ] up bro

no no now i hate your child dude my

oh my god bro 50 that's

it yo listen listen

the workers in my chat work with their

hands they're construction workers

truckers bro your chat is so beta they

don't even question you doing four-hour

streams if i did that they would

slaughter me

they're so big they're they're like

submissive yes sir you can do four hours

well you want to know what my [ __ ]

chat actually is piping

in real life

i always hear about how their girlfriend

doesn't like me and all this [ __ ] i

believe it dude

i've believed you ever since you said

the architect is the worker

shut the [ __ ] up that's not what i said

at all

or is a worker sorry i said they can be

a worker i didn't say they're the worker

are they a worker before yeah this guy

said it best my chat actually respects

their alpha they don't question me

that's actually damn that's the

cringiest [ __ ] i've ever heard i thought

you guys are equals hell no we're not

equal

really i'm the sol i'm the khan i'm the

khan of khans i'm the sultan i'm the

king

what do you mean equal

i see

oh like they rub your feet

well

someone's got to do it

thank you

5 donation from real thank you so much

man that's no zerka you literally run a

democracy he says ha haza's viewers are

the people i exploit for money

yeah these [ __ ] crypto guys need to

chill bro you know who that guy is

no

he won 450 000 on gamba he's like on the

leaderboards right now it's crazy

well my chat are not a bunch of broke

people okay

i i don't know i know they don't work at

mcdonald's right wendy's you said

well you know what's wrong with wendy's

it's just look at this man it's like

when when you guys like you know how you

[ __ ] foot around the word worker and

you're afraid to insult the worker

because you know like leninist can't do

that it's kind of like

what happens when someone starts

questioning that are you just gonna like

back up you know what i mean

what

it would be better if you just doubled

down and said yeah workers are stupid

i do say that

no no not [ __ ] foot around it speak say

it like me like actually say it bluntly

they are stupid

most people are stupid

see look how you just did that most

people you have to change the semantics

because you don't want to hurt their

feelings okay most workers are stupid

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because the majority of people are

workers is it that bad to say workers

are stupid not most workers or students

listen i can forgive a worker for being

stupid but i can't it no i'm not asking

for you to be their little friend i'm

saying can you just say workers are

stupid or is that you have to add little

things to it

i swear to god you're a [ __ ] [ __ ]

i i'm gonna

you're gonna

i grew up with marx's bouncers and [ __ ]

so i know where you guys get sent you're

gonna you're not you're calling the

workings class stupid no i i already

said it but you literally want me to get

a clip where they can spread it around

of me saying workers are stupid and then

they can say oh look at hogs he's

calling the workers specifically

targeting

you're saying other marxists would clip

that

of course they [ __ ] would that's what

they do already

though i didn't know the marxists hate

you what the [ __ ] of course they [ __ ]

hate me i'm under attack every [ __ ]

day by them

by a sons chad you're saying by everyone

every single other leftist or marxist is

attacking me every single [ __ ] day

why what the [ __ ]

well

how how's your movement gonna expand if

they're hating on you

because i don't want them i want to

bring new people

tuna tickler 69 is the guys in your chat

add him to the call

and please account i want to see his own

tickler

i don't know but i know his mother add

him to the call what did he say i can't

see i don't know what he said but just

add him i pick a random guy just add him

why tuna tickler uh donated to me before

i remember that name he he gives you i'm

not gonna go hard on a donator ever he

gifted me a lot of subs

oh okay okay my bad where's he yet no no

leave him alone leave him alone

i don't know he's a gifter i didn't see

the icon

uh

actually you know what i'm gonna yo

remind me to uh

do you just want me to say architects

are smarter than workers

oh my god you're still debating is it

simple as that because i can yeah they

are you can man up

i said that in the beginning architects

are smarter than workers obviously they

are

did you see chad did he say that in the

beginning yes i did thank you imperator

i just said workers are more important

in reality

let me no no let me see from my chat

okay not the cringe lords

he said some they're spamming no

leaks okay we trust the gifter

um

chad are they actually disagreeing rio's

like my uncle's an architect bro that's

not the argument what the [ __ ]

bro your chats agreeing with me

you [ __ ] liar i'm literally looking

at your chat now

no bro you're supposed to read the gift

there's not the trolls

he said workers was more i swear i heard

that no i said they're more important

but that architects are smarter exactly

the question

no the question is who's smart are you

dumb [ __ ]

no the question's always been who's more

important no i said you want me to just

say who's smarter my question not your

random question you brought up you okay

i said

never mind the word is important don't

don't run semantics like a cringe lord

do you actually destiny bro

the architect is smarter the worker's

more important that's my position

right right but if they exist

simultaneously who's more important

the world who's smarter who's

the architect is smarter and who's more

important if they both existing and

working and all that the workers like

how

just how society is running

the worker

yeah okay so and you're saying that the

architect is just getting paid more

the workers job is more valuable

monetarily and on the market

yeah you talking about surplus value

that they bring to a company right yeah

yeah the company doesn't exist without

like no no i'm not talking about surplus

value or whatever i'm not talking about

that

dude you're actually hilarious the

architect's more valuable the

architect's more valuable

on the market

but not in reality

what other measurement do you want

reality

wow

material reality

um

okay

why don't i make it easier for you i'll

make it easy for you this is like poor

no no

this um title is going to be pushed away

from marxism

pepsi is more valuable but water is more

important i'm beautiful dude that's the

exact same it's the same [ __ ] that's

dude that's not a false equivalence at

all no it's literally the same [ __ ] and

let me tell you something let me tell

you something zerko

yes tell me about this is gonna be like

the

the ultimate thing

that's right how are we gonna wrap it up

i'm gonna help you i'm helping you okay

if you wanna say as an individual

as a given individual

one worker and one architect

yes the architect is more important

then shut the [ __ ] up you idiot

no

because i'm still [ __ ] right [ __ ]

because workers are not just individuals

they're the people all the people who

are working

but as a

mere individual on the market yes the

architect's more important

the the as as the person in the company

yes the architect's more important as an

individual

he [ __ ] left what a little [ __ ]

swear to god

i'm taking that w i'm carrying that w on

my shoulder

and i'm never letting go of that w

who's the sparkler who's the sponkler

what does he want to say

who's this guy you want me to bring him

on

who the [ __ ] are you

yo what's up

what do you want

oh yeah i don't know dude i was throwing

in here because i g i'm guessing

your crew thinks i should talk to you

yeah what do you want

uh your crew is embarrassing thank you

tuna tickler

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are you are you irrelevant

are you drunk

i'm irrelevant and uh i'm not sure why

i'm here i don't have a real reason to i

respect you uh for you okay bye

yeah man our spooky content is gone

the spooky content we wanted to do is

gone

okay

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this is perfect actually

got