Heated political debate

2025-03-28T03:04:27+00:00
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Thomas with the five.
I appreciate it, brother.
Jay Wally, what's going on, bro?
Hey, what's up, Eddie?
I appreciate you, brother.
So, guys, we are going to be doing our weekly confronted chairman space.
And that is going to be happening.
And I don't know what else to tell you.
We are going to be talking about whatever we have lined up.
There's, again, we have a, we have a channel in the discord that basically
has room for people
to
you know
how do I explain
this so if somebody has a question
on Twitter
or they want to confront me with
something and they want me to respond to it
you screenshot it or you link it and you put it in spaces content on the channel now a lot of
you guys don't know what you're fucking doing and acting retarded
because you're just fucking linking
shit you want me to react to. This is not
a React channel. Don't just
link me random fucking tweets
that have nothing to do with a
direct confrontation of the
chairman. okay?
Like, I'm going to name and shame, Battle Cossack.
You're linking me a tweet of Laconian,
talking, saying that I'm, you know,
because I said that the homeless are sidewalk lords or something,
very serious, obviously.
What am I going to react to, dude?
There's nothing to react.
What's confront?
There's nothing confronting me, okay?
He's just making a fucking statement about me.
What do you want?
Okay, there's another guy shattering.
Okay, sorry, I'm not going to criticize them because they're doing really good work on their Twitter.
But you guys need to fucking use this the right way.
Okay?
It's ridiculous.
You're fucking linking screenshots of shit you want me to react to.
You're not linking shit of people who have a message for me, okay?
And you're linking the most random shit.
You're like linking tweets with two likes, too.
What the fuck is wrong with you guys?
I don't know.
Off to a really bad start tonight, okay?
Like a lot of retardation all around.
I'm sorry.
A lot of incompetence.
I've never seen the community this retarded.
Off to a really bad start, guys. I'm just letting you know.
So we're going to do the space, but yikes, you know.
You're like, you're just shitting up the spaces content channel with a bunch of random
retarded bullshit with one or two likes.
That's not even confronting me.
It's just like some random shit that you would like me to react to.
Okay?
This isn't Reddit.
I'm not reacting to fucking Reddit threads.
Yikes.
I'm not in good mood, as you could tell. All right? I'm not in good mood as you could tell all right I'm not very patient tonight
and um
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I'm not a fucking problem.
All right. Let's start the space, okay? I got a fucking problem Alright
Let's start the space
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All right, well, this is not working. just calm down
i am in a really bad fucking mood.
Nothing is working.
This is just terrible.
Because Blue Stacks is a piece of shit.
Banana, thank you for the five, but, you know, Banana, you really messed up.
Blazer, appreciate you with the five, all right?
Banana, you made some Discord.
I told you guys no splinters And I said, you know, I don't know what's going on in these fucking
Pointless discords.
And then there's this other one that's not even from the community, but there were one or two people from IGG in there. I had to fucking ban them because they're not even IGG regulars. It's just like, guys, stop accepting invites to random ass fucking servers. And stop creating your own retarded ass servers that are fucking pointless, all right?
Midwestern, what's up?
Because I'm really getting sick of having to take responsibility for these, like, stupid
ass servers.
Like, look, Banana, I know you're not a Zionist.
You don't have to explain that to me. I, we, I know you're not a Zionist. You don't have to explain that to me.
I, we know you're not a Zionist, all right?
We know that you're not.
We know that, okay?
It's just that you need to understand we're at war and anything you do is going to be taken out of context in the most bad faith possible way,
and there just needs to be an awareness of that.
It's all we're saying.
Okay.
Now,
okay.
Enfront the chairman. All right.
We're starting the space right now.
Okay.
So the space has started,
and we're going to go ahead and just check the spaces content
to try to find anything that could possibly be related to the actual confront the chairman thing.
Okay.
Let's just see.
All right.
Let's just see.
So. um let's just see all right let's just see so let's see what we have so we're gonna name in shame we have guy who's username they're not even in the server any what is their name a dot dot dot uh link to tweet by comrade ryew that just links the prol
wiki article for for um infrared oh wow what a confrontation it's not even you're linking some random
ass retarded shit not related to the spaces content i don't know what are you are you a bot
are you a fucking npc i'm about to crash out i'm about to crash. Why are you linking this in the spaces content channel? What is the purpose? What am I going to do in the confront the weekly confront the chairman space? What am I going to do about a fucking retarded autistic article by parole wiki? What do you want me to say? Where's the confrontation?
What is the angle here? What's, are you just on autopilot? Are you just on autopilot? Are you just like
whatever? You're just, whatever comes to your mind. You're just kind of
shitting everywhere. What's going on? We don't know. Ness, you're linking something about the
debate between abolition and off-hebong that is in a thread where I'm not even mentioned
one time. What is the, what's the'm not even mentioned one time.
Okay?
What's the idea here?
Just tell me what the strategy is.
Like, what's,
what's the idea?
What's the idea?
What's the expectation?
Okay?
What's the expectation?
We're just doing random stuff?
I mean, you may as well just put fucking
studio Gilby
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what I've always wanted to in there. Okay.
What I've always wanted to hear is ACP's critique of Giovanni Gentile's critique of historical materialism. Here's our critique of it. It's fucking retarded. And it's for retards and freaks who belong in jail or in labor reform camps
and that is our critique of giovanni genteelay okay because it's all just voluntarist gibber
idealistic voluntaristic anarchic gibber, idealistic, voluntaristic, anarchoid gibber, okay? It's basically the passion of the will.
But what are my choices? But what are my choices? Yeah, just fucking Reed Hagle himself, okay?
Where you will understand very, very, very clearly, okay, that there is an infinite
range of possibility when it comes to choices.
The decisiveness of an act is that it's responsive to a new development of history, okay?
And that is what gives it novelty.
The act in and of itself has no creative power whatsoever, okay?
And it's that simple.
The Gentile was basically trying to say that the Hegelian geist and the Hegelian will,
that that was somehow directly an individual guy's will.
It's just retarded.
He's unable to comprehend how Hegel moves, or he's operating at a level
beyond the methodological individualism. Carl and Marcus, and the whole reason Giovanni
Gentile gets about this is because Britain conquered Italy and humiliated Italy. So he adopted Anglo-Saxon methodological
individualism, applied it to Hegel in the most retarded way. And in this way, he tries to translate
Hegel's Geist and Hegel's spirit directly to some anarchist running around outside naked and doing bungee jumping or some shit.
And that's, I'm simplifying it, but this is really all that is.
You can read as many books as you want.
You're going to realize he's just talking about a guy running outside naked bungee jumping and he's saying that's the that's what endangers history itself okay so if you're a retard you might find that profound i don't okay
anyway let's continue uh battle cossack what's going on? We don't know.
Frederick, you think this is a Q&A. It's not a Q&A. It's not a Q&A.
So we're off to a bad start.
Someone is accusing Jackson of Russian astroturfing and bot farming.
And then you have other retards trying to accuse Jackson of being CIA.
And they apparently they're saying this because the totally real signal leak which the Yemeni authorities themselves deny is real but I guess Western leftists are smarter than the Houthis.
Even if it was real, it wouldn't matter, because the CIA in the Signal League said that they're
mobilizing assets.
So what do these pigeon brain, bird brain, worthless NPC retard bots who don't fucking
understand a thing about the world but are soy facing.
They're gazing at the sun, soy facing, with nothing going on in their head.
They sound literally retarded, mentally handicapped.
They are basically
reading this
tweet.
The CIA asset, that's a white guy
in a suit, and it's like James Bond.
Look at Jackson. He looks
like James Bond. That's what it
is. It's the guy in the suit and James Bond.
And they don't understand that CIA assets in foreign countries is in Yemen.
They're just going to find a brown guy and give him $5.
And there's your CIA asset.
In what world is a CIA asset in Yemen going to be a fucking white guy in a suit who looks like Jackson?
You've watched too many fucking movies, so you think you're suddenly a fucking expert in espionage and how the CIA
works. And you're a fucking drug addicted retard high off pot and smoking too much fucking marijuana.
There's nothing at all going on in your head.
So you see this tweet of that signal chat next to a photo of Jackson, and you think
you've hit the jackpot because you're a fundamentally stupid fuck who thinks that's how it works
because you've watched too many movies
and you don't realize that when the CIA
talks about having CIA assets
they're not talking about a literal
American
you know fucking Tom Cruise or Jason Bourne.
They're not talking about that.
They're talking about a fucking brown guy.
They gave $5 or they're blackmailing or they're threatening or whatever.
That's CIA assets.
Okay.
That's what a CIA asset in Yemen is.
The CIA asset in Yemen is not a guy with a sign going,
Hi, I'm fucking James Bond.
I have a suit.
I look highly like I'm a fucking secret agent. I'm the guy. No, it's a guy who blends in who is from the place, who knows people, who has connections, who has access. Because of that, that's what a CIA agent is. If you don't get this, shut the fuck up talking about feds and CIA agents and fed jacketing people. You're a fundamentally stupid person. Put the pot down and shut the fuck up and read a book for once in your fucking life before confidently
accusing people risking their fucking life on a regular basis for the cause of international
communism literally accusing them of for the cause of international communism, literally,
accusing them of being feds.
Shut the fuck up and read a book.
You have to yell at these people. You have to yell at these people.
You have to yell at these people like their stupid brain dead donkeys in a fucking barn.
Because there's no other, and even then they're not going to understand it.
You could, you could quietly try to
explain it to them but mid sentence they're going to they're they're addicted to pot so they're going
to forget the first word of your sentence and they're just going to forget so like that whole
tirade i went on in the middle of it they already zoned out and they're just going to forget. So like that whole tirade I went on, in the middle of it,
they already zoned out and they don't understand. The logical chain of reasoning, they're not
able to follow through the line of argumentation here. And that's why these people belong in
prison and they need to be locked up.
And they basically need their head banged against the concrete every single day until they learn how to fucking put together a single train of thought consistently, prove they're capable of doing that.
Otherwise, we need to start treating these people like wild animals.
These potheads who are motorists, they're driving around, endangering everyone.
They're walking around. I mean, God knows. You know, they're walking around i mean god knows you know they're they're gonna
they're gonna fall one day because they don't even know how to walk okay that's how stupid they are
all right and if you fell for this and you feel bad because I'm calling you out, you're going to get angry at me.
You're going to make me the asshole.
You're going to make me the villain.
No, the real villain is yourself.
Go look in the fucking mirror.
You're a retard.
You're an idiot.
Do something about it.
Read a fucking book humble yourself
the hos is i hate hans i'm gonna be a hater full time just fucking have some self-awareness
all right understand how stupid you are. Or like people who call
ACP feds. Because supposedly our domain name was owned by a guy named Ben Gerber, even though
they originally said it was Burton. Ben Gerber worked for a federally funded corporation that was involved in the development of the early internet, okay?
And apparently that makes them directly a CIA agent because they were a fucking computer programmer that worked for the government.
Because the CIA has ties to that, even though they have ties to every single federally funded anything, including the post office.
By the way, your mailman is apparently
directly a CIA agent, right?
Anyway, look,
they're saying that because this guy sat
on a bunch of random-ass fucking domain names
like Pop-Tarts.XYZ
and wipe my ass. Dot, you know, dot, dot, dot, dot,
dot, france, I guess the friends.
They just set on much of random ass domains that they were sitting and parking on,
probably related to their
fucking early job and web development or whatever where they just seized
all these domains and we bought it from them for thousands of several
thousands of dollars they originally wanted 20,000.
Okay.
And it was done through this fucking website.
So at no point did we even talk to this guy.
Apparently that means our website is a CIA website.
Okay.
That's, they just see a bunch of screenshots,
these retards,
they don't know anything about how anything works.
I'm like,
this is a CIA!
That's a CIA!
First of all,
even if Ben Gerber was directly James Bond himself,
even if he was directly himself, even if he was literally directly himself, you know, the fucking, the black Pope of Rome where the, you know, these guys say that there's a shadow pope who controls the, even if he was literally that, okay.
A domain name, it's like a phone number.
Like, let's say you buy a phone number from me. Now that's your phone number. Like, let's say, let's say you buy a phone number from me. Now that's your phone
number, right? Okay. Does that mean when someone calls that number, they're calling me? No,
it's your number now. Okay. Let's, okay, let's say, let's say Satan himself came up with a
fucking phone number. It's literally just a string of numbers, Okay. And then you,
someone bought that number from him.
Okay.
Whenever someone calls that number,
are they calling Satan now?
That makes no fucking sense.
Okay?
That's what a domain name is.
It has nothing to do with the website. It has nothing to do with the website.
It has nothing to do with what's on the website.
It has nothing to do with the design of the website, with the technology behind the website, with the programming of the website.
It has nothing to do it even with the server
it's a fucking address just like a phone number so whoever creates that address is irrelevant
because all it is is a string of letters like real, that's all it fucking is.
It does nothing else, okay?
And we paid thousands
for it. Even if Ben Gerber
was directly the head of the C...
And this is all this damage control, because these
retards, and it's the same two guys
every time.
First, they said it was Burton Gerber, because they had to find one guy named B. Gerber, who was in the CIA.
Then we find out it's this wacky web developer named Ben Gerber, who's this literal autistic old man who has a website with Bugs Bunny on it from the 90s.
And they're like, well, he worked for MITRE.
So he worked for some MIT computer, whatever.
MITRE, it's some fucking web development shit related to the development of computers in the internet.
And that directly makes him a CIA agent how.
It doesn't even make sense.
But even if he wasn't, it wouldn't matter.
But they had to clean up their original fuck up saying it was Burton Gerber. Oh, actually,
it wasn't Burrins. But Ben, trust me, coincidentally,
Ben is also a CIA agent.
Shut the fuck up and take the
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shocked that there are so many retards
who eat this shit up and buy into it.
I'm so shocked by it.
And my tone of voice is loud and I'm very loud, but am I wrong?
Is anything I'm saying wrong?
Is anything I'm saying illogical or irrational?
Like, how does a fucking domain name mean anything?
How does that even mean anything?
Okay?
And they're arguing that 23 years ago, ACP.US was created by the CIA because they were planning 23 years in the future to create the American Communist Party in order to make being fatphobic trendy among socialists and hijack the very profoundly popular movement of Libtard, you know, um, uh, you know,
lib-tard, uh, transgender hojaism. Okay. So apparently that, that was this 23 years in the making to completely shit up the
good name of autistic furry socialism okay shut the fuck up you fucking retard just shut the fuck up
sit down and go home you fucking idiot literally i'm so sick of hearing dumb
bullshit every day by retards we don't know a fucking thing about how anything works
you know these people never got yelled at their whole life by their teachers they were oh you're so smart
because they thought they were developmentally disabled or something i don't know they thought
that they needed oh yeah you're not you didn't they you know they these people when they were
when they were young they were were given tests, like basic things like, you know, what is 14 plus seven, you know, on their math? And they would write, they bet potatoes. And they're, oh, yeah, that's very creative you're right it's potatoes and then they
because all they got was positive affirmations they grew up and now they're confidently
spewing bullshit and spreading bullshit,
and having no self-awareness of how fucking stupid it sounds
when you actually think about it and deign to actually put effort
into considering whether this is actually rational or logical
or even adds up in any kind of way whatsoever, right?
And so that's where we're at.
And then it all goes back to one thing that Jackson met Tulsi Gabbard.
The thing they should, the shit they say about Halali. Okay. They photoshopped a LinkedIn like of some random ass shit.
They pulled out of their ass. The Siyat Brigades Christmas party. Oh, Halali liked this. They fucking
photoshopped it. That's all they have. A Photoshop and the fact that Jackson met and went surfing with Tulsi Gabbard through his ex,
who is the same ex, by the way, that went on to date Jonah Hill.
It's like maybe the ex is the person who's really well connected,
and maybe Jackson connected with them
and
you know met Tulsi's
in-laws through her
maybe that's the thing you should be
paying attention to, right?
I don't know.
Right? Um, but I don't know, right?
But yeah.
So just Jackson, Tulsi Gabbard, by the way, the leaked message of Jackson talking about, you know, how he, the connection with Tulsi isn't dead.
That was before, before 2025.
That was after the election, but before January 20th, and it was before December and 2020.
So it was November or October, I don't remember.
Something like that.
Okay.
So that's a nothing. That's a nothing.
That's a nothing.
That's a nothing.
These people have nothing.
They have nothing.
And you're retarded if you buy into anything they say.
I want a single person to get up here and try to...
We're going to have this mentally deranged M.K. Ultra, mentally shattered freak, rambly come up.
Go ahead. What do you have to say? say.
I'm going to bring up Kayla to co-host again, if she's all right with it.
Does all these people have me blocked?
Go ahead, Rambly, the disturbed.
Go ahead and share with us your
your deeply disturbed, twisted, shattered
mind.
Show us what the depraved
victims of MK Ultra look like in
2025. Go ahead, speak.
I do want to know one
thing has. I want to ask you
this question. Get it out.
Get it off your chest. Go ahead.
How many holes do women have below the belt?
See, that's just, it's classic.
Answer the question.
It's classic because you're a porn-addled M.K.
Altaupt freak who just cannot get sexually related things off your mind because you're poorly socialized and you are just totally beyond the pill or just completely you are completely beyond any kind of any kind of answer the question answer the question
answer the question please how many holes?
Would you say that you're a pervert or no like would you define yourself?
Answer how many holes How many holes?
How many holes?
Is that something you would ask your parents if you were in a room with your parents?
Would you like... How many holes?
Like that?
How many holes, dude?
Answer the question.
I want you to have a little bit of self-awareness here, right?
We're on a space where there's literally nothing being discussed of any sexual, anything, right?
And a furry, disgusting freak, okay, comes on and starts demanding that I engage in this really disgusting topic with him, with him, this really, really, like, visceral thing with him.
And I want everyone to take note of how much these people have been completely MK Ultraed beyond the pale, where they go into a political space and they can't even fucking think of a normal thing to say.
All they can think about is the most like vulgar, visceral possible thing, right, to talk about.
Like, and they, they're looking for any opportunity to like talk about anything sexual whatsoever right
and rambly i'll answer your questions you just have to explain to us why you have to make everything.
Why are you so interested in talking about private matters and all this kind of stuff in public?
Like where does that come from?
Go ahead.
Go ahead, rambly go ahead go ahead
go ahead Tell us about how this has pressing significance for politics.
And left-wing politics in particular, because I think you would probably call yourself a leftist of some kind.
So explain the relevance for leftist politics that you're so interested and obsessed with being a disgusting freak and a degenerate,
which is what you are, rambly, by the way, a degenerate.
Go ahead and speak.
He can't, he's out of loss for words.
This guy's out of loss for words, you know out of loss for words you know he probably identifies as an animal
he probably identifies as like some kind of dog
or some shit
the raccoon
they probably identify as a raccoon
you know I don't even know if they consider themselves human
but they're a disgusting degenerate.
No, no, has, has that.
A lot of people on the left are very anatomically confused.
I think they would need you to clear that up.
So can you please explain how many holes do women have below the belt?
Ela you are yourself a woman do you find his like topics of discussion bringing up a little creepy or weird what do you think?
It's more. It reminds me of we're in like middle school.
Dude, answer the... Don't, don't defleck.
Don't fucking deflect.
Get something else better than talking about.
It's embarrassing.
How many holes?
How many holes?
Answer the question has.
A lot of us are confused.
A sick fuck and I'd recommend for us to move on.
No, I'm not.
I'm none of those things. Are you a grown man?
Well,
has. Just answer the question. Are you? well um has
just answer the question
are you a grown
answer the question
because a lot of us
are confused
are you a lot of us are confused
are you a lot of us are anatomically confused has
you answer the question
are you a grown man
maybe uh i don't know have you answer the question. Are you a grown man?
Maybe. I don't know. I'm 18 if that's what you're asking.
So Rambly, here's the thing. This is why we're going to remove him. Because if you can't even, if you don't even know whether you're a grown man or not i don't know what we could possibly talk about okay i don't know what topic we could i don't know
what you could possibly confront me with if you're confused about something like that.
And you were given the opportunity to act like a normal human being, like a normal person,
but you are just a depraved freak who is just getting high off of the dopamine effect of being a public exhibitionist or the equivalent of it you are the type if you could get away with it you just like run around naked
and and and shock and expose people like in public because you're like a fucking pervert.
You're a digital pervert. That's what you are.
You're a freak and a degenerate.
And you need to be, your internet access needs to be shut off.
You need to be quarantined from society.
You need to be put on psychiatric drugs.
We need to figure it out.
But until that happens,
you know,
a manic, disgusting,
perverted freak like yourself needs to be kept away from society.
And it's that simple.
So you confronted me with something.
That's my response. the confrontation in question was what should be
done about freaks like myself and the answer is you need to be um quarantined from society
blocked from having any ability to interact with other human beings,
until you are on enough psychiatric drugs where you can know the difference between what is
appropriate to talk about in a public political setting and what is inappropriate let's bring on silly goose go ahead You're on to the goose.
Oh hey, hello.
I would rather not share my name.
You can just refer to me as silly, I guess.
Just wanted to ask a direct question to us.
How do you guys feel in your organization about Manifest Destiny? What is the official position? Because I've seen Jackson and a couple of other of your comrades uphold it. And I'm not really sure what is the
official position because it happened
nearly two centuries ago
so what do you what is the significance
what is the significance
um
I guess
I see
Manifist Destiny
as an imperialist
justification
of the expansion
of the American Empire
and it's troubling
to see some of your comrades
sort of hold it
That's your view
Okay then what
So what then? What then what then what do you
mean what what what then what difference does that even make to to have that reflection like
what's the practical significance because we have a dialectical view which means we reject metaphysics
we reject just taking positions on history just because what's moral or immoral no no there
has to be a practical significance here and now right that's. If this is something you regard as so severe that, you know, it concerns you that people have opposing opinions that you do. So what is like, what is practically at stake stake like here and now is my question?
Well, just just recap.
I have not said that this is sort of like a breaking point for me.
I actually do find myself close to you guys ideologically.
I'm not from America.
I have no allegiance to America.
I have really no...
So I'll just tell you my view, right?
So Engels basically talks about how speculation in land was the number one driving force of the social dynamics in America
for a long period of time. Manifest destiny was really the epitome of that. You know, it's the,
it's based in this kind of
uh...
buying up and speculating in land
that was stolen absolutely it was taken through all sorts of wicked nefarious and you know anti-human
genocidal means you name it absolutely it was fucking brutality it was barbaric and um this is one of the
contradictions at the founding of the united states which is the
fact that you know there is um there is something connected between the loftiest aspirations of building a one united republic and the dream of an america and then
economically this manifested on the other hand in the form of this kind of um kind of cynical vulgar
land speculation,
hype.
So just
like Bitcoin
today is a
speculative
asset,
that's driving
a lot of
hype and it's
purely based
on hype.
That is also
a huge
driving and
motivating factor
in the
development of
American civil society and economic history.
I just would say that I wouldn't take a one-sided view because, yes, this is the reality of
capitalism and capitalist brutality. But simultaneously, the specific notion of a community grounded upon a horizon of the future, right, that in some sense is already decided, rather than the bonds and the wages of the past, so to speak, also has a profoundly emancipatory significance, which was at the heart of the abolitionist movement. It was at the heart of the progressive aspects of the, you know, American Revolution in 1776. It was at the heart of the American labor movement. It was at the heart of the, you know, progressive and left wing and communist struggle of America in the 20th century.
So, and also the civil rights movement, you know, MLK, he had the I Have a Dream speech.
Well, that was also a kind of, that also drew from the same spiritual substance that manifests destiny also in part in part i'm saying drew from
okay i understand there's there's a clear dimension of the brutality of capitalism here but i'm just saying you have to have a
dialectical view you can't just say that that's all it is so that would be my my reflection on it
yeah i appreciate that answer.
I would just say that I do find an argument to be made that it is a worthy endeavor to not only reclaim American symbols and reach out to the so-called MAGA base, but I do find it
concerning to see some jingoistic elements make its way to the rhetoric of the people
in your organization.
I wouldn't even accuse the organization itself
of holding this views.
I know the organization is sort of a lot of people
and you cannot point out to behaviors to specific people and adjudicate that to the whole. I'm just saying it's sort of concerning to see these sort of kernels of jingoism and rehabilitation of the empire in the rhetoric.
That's all I would say.
But much respect, brother.
Yeah, thank you.
Appreciate the question and the nuance.
And, you know, I apologies if I come off as hostile.
I'm just, you know, um, you know, um, you know,
no worries.
I didn't want to be hostile either yeah i appreciate you know the respectfulness and
so on and yeah i mean look the the concerns are are justified but you know on the other hand
it's important to take note of what the leadership of this movement says and not over-emphasize what some people on the fringes or the margins.
You will find anything if you're looking for it, you know.
You can find, I have seen, you know, I have seen neo-Nazis directly, you know,
combined neo-Nazism with like, I don't know,
with Starbucks unionism, you know.
I've seen any possible combination of any kind of view, you're going to find it.
You just have to ask the question, what is a dominant tendency and what is a marginal
tendency?
And a movement should not be crucified on the cross of its marginal tendencies if you can even call them that you know
everything is a matter of tendencies you know there's no purity for any movement you know you're gonna
find i mean people went to such lengths for years they just found like these really fringe
accounts that none of us
even knew.
Like this is what
infrared stands for.
And it'd be like
somebody with like
a Mussolini picture
with like the infrared globe
in the background.
They'd be like,
that's what they are.
This is the average
infrared person.
And it's like,
no, this is not even close to being a minority tendency in our movement.
This is straight up just some extremely fringe troll shit.
But we're crucified on the cross just because they stole our globe symbol you know so this is the internet it's decentralized it's open source you can't it's not a top down thing where everything's being controlled but no i mean i
i would i would very strongly oppose anyone who is downplaying the gravity and seriousness of the brutality of capitalism across history in general, including at the history of the USA.
You know, it's total brutality and barbarism.
And Marx talks about this in capital.
He says it's the rosy dawn of capitalist accumulation,
a primitive accumulation,
all manner of the most basest and the lowest of instincts are at play. You know, curiously, Engel says the same thing about the rise of private property itself. You know, he very strongly emphasizes the basest vices of man, just being unleashed in this
radically new way.
But it should be a discourse within Marxism, because to be clear, Marx and Engels regarded these developments as historically progressive.
And I know Lacergerald has some pushback on that. And even I have some pushback on it, by the way. I'm just don't, I don't want people to try to cancel us
because there's some people in our movement
who just are saying what Marx and Engels
and Lenin and everyone else in our
history has said. I actually do think there should be a thoughtful
re-examination of the idea, even that
Greek slavery was progress over asiatic civilization
even i i take issue with that kind of uh framework of classical marxism but let's be clear
about what marks and angles actually believed because that's what they believed you know they believed that was historically progressive may i may i just close off with one question really closing okay so basically i found this one tweet a long time ago and I just wanted to
bring it back this way before the formation of the ACP and I know Jackson tends to be
provocative and I don't hold it against him I think he's a pretty positive figure in the
struggle but he on 29th of it against him. I think he's a pretty positive figure in the struggle.
But he, on 29th
of January of 23,
he tweeted, manifest
destiny is not complete
until the US liberates Canada.
I know you guys want to
incorporate Canada into the
United States. Do you see
this truly as a
continuation of manifest destiny
or is it just sort of some sort of
provocation that should be disregarded?
Well, it's more it's it's it's not just a provocation but it is definitely closer to that
than a like definite institutionally verified position it's more like a type of rhetoric
if anything and it's a rhetoric directed against you know the the the vestiges of the british
commonwealth in north america which is Canada, you know.
And do we directly want to invade? No, I mean, no, we've made our position as a party very clear,
but at the same time, we're very, we regard Canada as having always been a reactionary presence in North America
and you know you'll you'll you'll
it's important to take note that we never have the same rhetoric about Mexico
we never say the same rhetoric about Mexico. We never say the USA
should invade Mexico or conquer Mexico, even rhetorically, we never use that rhetoric, you know,
because Mexico has a revolutionary tradition, an authentic and legitimate revolutionary historical tradition. Canada doesn't, you know.
Canada's always been a bulwark of British imperial intrigue, and it has always been a reactionary influence, even on the USA.
I'm talking about in the 19th century and the early 20th century, you know.
All right. Thank you.
I appreciate the genuine and good faith discourse thank you no problem have a
good night you too have a good night so Kayla is there anyone else besides a
disdegenerate freak rambly and, there's a guy named... Layman.
Go ahead, Lehman.
I think he fell out.
So there's Applejack and Rambley.
I guess we're going to have to bring the court jester Rambley back,
the punching bag Ramley.
Go ahead, Rambley.
Get it off your chest.
What do we have to talk about
very productive
you know you want to answer the question
dude how many holes
do women have below the belt
we are very confused
I think a lot of Marxists are very
confused about this topic
please shed some light on it
as you are the chairman of the American Communist Party
You know Kayla
I feel like you can smell this guy
He may calm down You know, Kayla, I feel like you can smell this guy.
Yeah, he needs to calm down. The person, like, has not showered in, like, five days.
You know, I'm from New York City, and what I always say is, like, you know, when we see the crackheads on the street, we know not to respond to them.
We treat them. We're like, all right, not to respond to them. We treat them.
We're like, all right, we take pity upon them.
Unfortunately, on this website, they're treated
with a modicum of respect.
Like, they're normal people. They're not.
They're not. They're people that need to be
taken care of. They need to be institutional.
Why is this the only op? The guy with two followers
who's like mentally ill.
It's the only op
ever has to occur on space.
Come on. How many holes?
How many holes? He's the only
op that ever comes. How many holes? And many holes? He's the only op that ever comes.
How many holes?
And he's here every week.
Is this not insane coming on to a...
Every week consistently?
There's not a show...
Okay, look, I just rambly, if you could shut up for two seconds.
All I'm saying is this.
I always see like tweets going viral being like, oh, the ACP website is CIA or, oh, my God,
Chris Salali, he liked this LinkedIn pose and it's Photoshop.
And oh, my God, Jackson is this and that.
Oh, my God.
And there's always like these serious accusations. Oh, my God. And there's always, like, these serious accusations.
There's always like these serious things.
How many?
What the fuck?
It's always like these serious things being said.
Right?
Can you be there with me? Okay. Okay. serious things being said. Right?
Can't you be there with me?
Okay.
That's a bit.
Great polls question.
I feel like this is like, the Riddler was autistic in the new Batman movie
But it's straight up like
Buffalo Bill
Like Ridler vibes
Where like this dude straight up
Just like cannot
Like they just have no there's nothing going on but there is
like a very aggressive willingness to persistently demand others that
we just play by
their rules here like Buffalo
it's like this guy's like
basically this guy
you know I'm I'm trapped
he's talking about holes
I'm trapped in the hole in the
movie you know and he you know, and he's
Buffalo Bill, and he's sending down
the bucket, and he's like, it puts the lotion.
I'm like, dude, what's going on? Like,
what do you want? It puts the lotion
on the, it puts the lotion. Bro,
what is this? Like, what is your question? It puts the lotion on the skin. the lotion bro what is this like what is
your question it puts the lotion on the
skin he can't get anything else out of his mind
Rambley what do you have to say about that go ahead
just answer the question dude
wow it's really you're really like that he's really like that he's really
like that he's really like that it's like it's like it's like it puts the lotion on the skin
what is going on i can't believe this like what happened on twitch four years ago all these stuff i did it's like i didn't know this stuff was like 9-11 for autistic
furries.
There should be vigils for it and stuff.
I can't believe this.
Go ahead.
Just answer the question, dude.
How many holes
I mean I'm only two holes
I mean I'm on shitty qualities not being very consistent with this.
I mean, I'm on shitty Wi-Fi, but, hey, just answer the question, and I'll leave you the fuck alone.
Y'all, let's go. Rambly i mean i can't believe
i don't know
i can't
hold on can you turn it down for one second
uh yeah
just turn it down.
All right.
Answer the questions and I'll...
Rambly, I don't know how you found that thing of me singing.
That was like not public, dude.
That was like me like singing like you know by myself
I thought I was going to be
before I wanted to be a streamer
I wanted to be like signed by a record label
and like so like when I was by myself
I was singing that and I would
I would be so embarrassed if like someone
found it you know it's like I don't know how
you found that but you totally like are making a really profound statement here you know I can't
I can't believe it it's like like, my community's shocked by,
this is the first time
that they're learning about,
like,
the fact that I've not always been,
like,
extremely serious when I was streaming,
like,
10 hours a day,
you know,
on Twitch,
on a website called Twitch,
which is like a gaming website
but
um
I don't know I just wanted to let you know that you really
you've really cornered us here
go ahead Rambly
uh dude just
just answer the question also show evidence that Sophie's a Fed.
Okay, now we're, okay, now we have something.
So, all things will be revealed in due time.
Okay, that this person has...
You made the claim, you show the evidence
well I could just be like Iran
and say Operation True Promise 3 is coming
whenever we wanted to come
and why are we
why am I working on your schedule
who the fuck are you you know
who am I am I Who the fuck are you, you know?
Who am I? Yeah, like, why should I work on your time?
Well, I mean, you made the claims.
You should provide the evidence when you make the claims.
Yeah, if we'd like to provide evidence, you make the claims.
Yeah, if we'd like to provide evidence, you know,
that they're affecting you.
Do you provide evidence that,
could you provide evidence for how many holes women have below the belt?
No, get the laugh out, please.
I don't want you to contain it.
You got to let it all out.
We don't want you to, like, be secret about the comedy of it.
No, no, what...
We need your opinion on the Great Holds question. Everyone, no. What, I, we need your
opinion
on the
great whole
question.
Everyone's
confused.
All you have to do is,
like,
answer one question for me okay what's your question have you ever been diagnosed with autism in your life oh oh hey genius yeah i am autistic so what of it
i knew that rambly i already knew that
yeah because you're a fucking ablest piece of shit
that the fact that i knew you're just gonna objectify
i'm just saying I knew it.
I already knew it.
Dude, you were shouting slurs, but the least you could do is answer the holes question.
How many holes?
No, I mean, I want to go back to the autism thing.
How did the doctor know that you were autistic that diagnosed you
how did they know what gave it away because i'm neurodivergent a shit
and autism literally is just different functioning of the brain.
It's not abnormality.
It couldn't be something that shunned.
What were some of the signs of the neurodivergence that the psychiatrist or the doctor picked up?
I mean...
Give us, like, examples.
Well, I've functioned a lot differently than others.
Like, how? Like, give examples.
Uh, I mean, the way I think of things, I make connections like no one else does.
Well, give me, like, specific examples that your doctor was able to pick up.
I mean, hyperfixations and all that.
You know, I love Pokemon.
I love...
What else?
So because you loved Pokemon your doctor diagnosed
you was autistic I don't believe that
yeah no no no right there were more specific
things
but
I was not told
until I was 15
but like how did the doctor know
I mean
I don't know I don't know
because I view the world a lot differently.
I'm just built different, okay?
No, I mean, Rambley, I think everyone in this space knows that.
You know, I knew that.
But you need to tell me what the...
No, I'm built different.
I'm built different.
You're special.
You're definitely special.
But how did the doctor know?
Well.
Well, like how I'd know that because I was told by my parents at 15.
How did your parents know?
Like, what do you think gave it away?
My behavior is some shit.
But don't you think it's weird how, like, I was able to pick that up without being your parents?
And, like, you know, just from how you interact.
Dude, I'm fucking proud of being autistic, all right?
Right, but, like, don't, do you, can you, like, infer how I was able to know that you're autistic,
based on your repeated pattern of behavior here?
Has...
Has, you know who I am.
You fucking blocks me on my main account.
I block hundreds of people all the time.
But can you, can you, um,
just have some aware,
like all I want,
this whole goal here is I want you to have a little bit of self-awareness about,
no,
well, it's not the self-awareness about what I was... No, well, it's not the
self-awareness piece. It's more of the social
keys that I struggle with.
I want you to be aware.
If you have any self-awareness when you...
Do you think it's a coincidence that I was
able to... Anyway, how many holes?
How many holes? Dude, let's, how many holes? How many holes?
Dude, let's get back on topic.
How many holes?
Rambly.
How many fucking holes? You're not really helping your case here.
You know?
Good. Just answer the question.
Stop.
Would you consider this to be
autistic behavior
that you're exhibiting?
Would you consider the fact
that you're not answering the question to be
virgin behavior, what you're exhibiting?
Graham question to be virgin behavior what you're exhibiting rambly because you're fucking beta mail
and Sonic
is a real alpha right
real though
Sonic the Hedgehog is that a real alpha
Yeah he's the goat
Doesn't he like collect rings
Is that why you're so obsessed with this?
No
I hear no here has Is that why you're so obsessed with this? No.
I hear, no, here has.
No, I've always been more of a Zelda Pokemon guy myself, but let's get back to the great holes question.
How many holes um
do you have no like shame about it
that like
it's this easy to detect that you're autistic
even from someone who's not a doctor
why would i have any shame about it there's nothing to be ashamed of i'm just different in
fact i'm actually proud of it so what are you trying to prove here like why don't you just privately be proud you're clearly trying to make some kind of social statement here with some kind of social significance right as
rambly here's rambly just answer the question dude but you're not you're not able to understand rambly that you've come
to the space with the intention of some kind of some kind of goal that you think will have some social
significance you know to embarrass me or make me look stupid or something or make fun of me.
But you don't, you can't comprehend how the whole thing you're trying to do, the whole reason why you're here in the first place, is completely negated by the fact that you stick out like a thorsome as an autistic person
in front of every single neurotypical person that's here which is the majority of the population
so you've come here to make fun of me but you're just shitting and pissing your pants
in front of literally everyone here and i'm
literally sincerely and compassionately trying to give you the bare minimum of some self-awareness
about that fact with no malice i'm just as best as i'm trying to break the barrier, the neurodivergent barrier
barrier so that you can understand that you're just embarrassing yourself right now.
Go ahead.
30. 30 If you're so proud of how different you are,
then stop trying to posture in front of a bunch of neurotypicals.
We just see you as like a extremely autistic, bizarre person.
Go ahead.
Go ahead. go ahead we're waiting
nothing nothing all right well i hate to have given given you advice that your father should have,
but I think you have very bad parents.
Really, they're really bad parents.
Okay, let's bring on this nationalist guy.
Go ahead. good Nika, you're on
Hey, Haas, can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Great, so I'm going hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Great.
So I'm going to keep it short, right?
So I just have a few questions in regards to your position on El Salvador and their foreign policy
for...
Jimmy, what's up?
Not just his neighbors, but
in general at all.
You know,
I...
Buckele is not
an easy person to understand the full spectrum of his motivations.
He's not a socialist.
He's not a principal anti-imperialist, clearly.
He does come from an interesting background, and he's pretty inconsistent, I think,
when it comes to a lot of his foreign policy orientations.
I was not a big fan of how he volunteered El Salvador to intervene in Haiti.
But to the extent of my knowledge, this could have changed more recently i think he does maintain
decent relations with some of the progressive uh governments in central america like nicaragua
so you know, I think it's complex, but I don't really trust Buckele, but I think clearly he was an enemy of at least one faction or the main faction of the hegemony.
It was very clear.
Oh yeah, also his position on Venezuela and Maduro, of course, I oppose.
But yes, I don't know enough, to be honest, to form a more general and overall appraisal of his significance.
That's fair. I don't expect to be an expert on Central American politics. I believe that some of your colleagues are better experts at it. For example, midwestern
Marxists, that's a lot better. It's the word I'm looking for, well versed on Central American politics.
In regards to El Salvador and their domestic politics,
you could phrase that Bockele is a leftist,
and I say that as a, in a derogatory way
and I say I mean
that as he's
anti-business anti small
boss empty small
business he's kicked out
vendors from food vendors to pretty much AT Small Business. He's kicked out vendors
from food vendors to
pretty much any vendors you can think of
to make way from big businesses
such as Nike, Starbucks.
The barista discourse
has finally arrived to
Central America.
So that's a, I guess that's a plus, right?
But in regards to Nicaragua, he has maintained a neutral position ever since his navy gotten in confrontation with our navy, which was back in 22. However, he has said a lot of negative or
imperialist
talking points.
He's met with Mark Rubio.
He's pretty much
licked his boots.
When he came down there,
Markerubio was embarrassed by it.
I think the pictures show it very well.
I believe that
ACP needs to
take a stronger
position on
forming a stronger a stronger position on forming
a stronger connection to the
Sananitas in Nicaragua
versus
Nue deezas and in El Salvador
in long run
it'll benefit
HGELA
Oh yeah
that's
that's
like a given
you know
of course
we will be closer
with
Nicaragua
than El Salvador
as a matter of fact
we already have
ties with
some forces
within Nicaragua
and the ties will only improve from here and In fact, we already have ties with some forces within Nicaragua.
And the ties will only improve from here.
And we have some interesting things planned, actually, with respect to that.
I think, Nicaragua, I think we have closer ties with than even Cuba.
Even to some extent, to be honest, even more than Venezuela, I think.
And that's a great thing because we do have an upcoming election, I think, in 27.
And, you know, I'd be more than happy to, you know, lend a couple words here and there into our, you know, Mr. Interior, our Ministry Interior, I'm sorry, that some of these
leftist wreckers
that I see online
that are
slandering
people like Chris
the high bailiff
and slandering
you know
Jackson Hinkle, who did arrive
to Venezuela and gave
a person interview to Maduro.
My worry is that they would come down
here and they would be interrogated
thoroughly, like we are
speaking ours.
Solely based on just slanderous lies.
That's completely fine.
They wouldn't be offended, you know.
Interrogation is normal.
If that's, they feel it's necessary, that's completely fine.
Jackson and Chris have nothing to hide, you know. Jackson is vetted by the FSB. He's vetted by Chinese security. He's vetted by world-class intelligence agencies that are opposed to U.S. imperialism.
They do not regard him as an agent.
But if that would happen, if they went to Nicaragua, that's completely fine, you know.
It's their right.
And by the way, we have great relationships. to Nicaragua, that's completely fine, you know. It's their right.
And by the way, we have great relations with the PSUV in Venezuela, but the reason our relations with Nicaragua right now are a little better in terms of the connections we have
is just because the PSL has really tried to gatekeep us internationally and spread slander and bullshit about us in Venezuela. They do it in Cuba as well. It hasn't worked in either case, but it did, it does set a higher barrier for our ability to basically
prove that we are worth more than they are. We never wanted to have a
competitive or antagonistic position with them. But internationally, they try to block us from
anything they can, really. You know, but Nicaragua is a different case, you know um but nicaragua was a different case you know oh absolutely nicarag was a different
beast we have our own protocols we bet every single person who comes in we have a very unique
approach to it.
YouTube bloggers who we know
are antagonists towards us.
We even allow them to come in and film.
They have their clickbait
headlines or we're under
dictatorship and all they show
is just small know small businesses
vendors selling you know whatever and then they go home we don't check any
of their cameras we don't check any any footages but the the the thing with bukele i think that uh it's a it's a little bit worrisome i think
that uh acp should maybe go into a different direction yeah but this is completely yeah we don't
we don't currently
currently as a party have a position on
Buckele or El Salvador.
But
our sympathies and our
support is going to be with
Nicaragua versus Buckele
always, you know. It's not going to be a questionicaragua versus Buckela always, you know?
It's not even a question.
Yeah, I'm sorry to cut you off their house, but like
there was an incident maybe a couple days ago where
some of the 200 of some migrants
that were sent to El Salvador, one was a Nicaragua National.
And once he was there, he was telling the officials at Seacombe, that's the
mega prison.
He was like, hey, I'm not Venezuelan, I'm Nicaraguan, da-da-da, and I'm telling you in a couple not even a couple hours about an hour
and a half they sent him back home to the united states because bekella says he didn't want
any trouble with nicaragua he says that we were only taken in what we agreed on.
When we say we, it's El Salvador and the United States, which is Venezuela's migrants.
And so I think that it'd be more of a formidable friendship and alliance between the, not just the Sainis, but like, maybe the science the youth to get in contact
we agree
absolutely
we agree fully
we
we've achieved
food sovereignty
we've achieved
you know
it's that old
thing right
we understand
and comprehend
the significance
of Nicaragua
it's a understand and comprehend the significance of Nicaragua.
It's a country with some sovereignty, you know. It's not, it's not like an El Salvador where it's mixed, you know, it's definitely far
more reliable and far more, as you said, formidable
you know, to the
imperialism. It would be a smart, it would be a smarter
strategic elite alliance.
Yeah, I fully, yeah, we
fully agree and see eye to eye with you on there. yeah i fully yeah we we fully
agree and see i die with you on there
i know i'm a nationalist
i'm foreign ecuadawa
like 100% but like i'm telling you right now
the
whatever you have with el salvador it's
it'll crumble.
We don't.
It's starting to crumble.
We have nothing.
We have nothing.
We have nothing with El Salvador, you know?
And just for the record, I'm not against mining in El Salvador, which is what the opposition
for Buckel is. I'm not against mining. I think every country should have its own right to mine. However, we know that they have, they just signed a, an IMF deal for like $1.4 billion. So we know that if they were to mine,
they would give complete mining
rights to Canada
or the United States or any of these
Western explorers,
right? And so I think
that
I think it would be a good idea for the ACP to make a little bit of stronger
alliance just with the San Anita and not just, just, just, just, not just the Sanita, but like
the youth and like the, and learning how to, and I'm from the Appalachian side of the United States right so I was boring
that I was but I was raised in the United States so I don't have an accent so the I know that some
parts of Appalachian, they struggle. They struggle
with growing crops because
of, you know, Walmart
comes in and they take
over. That you have
a cost, well, I'm not going to
go Costco. But Walmart
and Target and all these big businesses, they walk in and they basically make the small businesses obsolete.
And so the Sainanistas are completely against that. They want to make what we call it Campesino,
which is like the
farmer, self-reliable.
They make food
for themselves and also bring
some to the market. So we're not
dogmatic in that next sort of
scenario.
Well,
I appreciate the words.
It's always good to hear
from people from a fraternal
country, fraternal party, we
think, as well.
So we look forward to building more relations
definitely with the Sandinistas and Sandinista youth as well appreciate the time
positive and I appreciate ACP, and I always, you know, I always look through the bullshit. I don't really care about what anybody else says. I always look at what the, what you guys are trying to accomplish in the sense right because you guys do remind my dad
tells me all the time hey when we were starting up hey it was nothing and then we we created
something so with acp you know, there's there is different similarities and and PSL excuse me with PSL and CPS USA and all those I never saw anything close to what the ACP has accomplished.
So it hacks off to you guys, you guys have my full support,
and just anything that happens,
if Jackson or Chris wants to come down
or any delegate from the ACP,
I could just put in a word and there will be no trouble.
That's what I'm saying.
Okay, I appreciate it so much, man.
And we have plans for Nicaragua already,
but we'll keep in touch.
See you later, bro. luchenko go ahead yes so my question to the ECP is what about Hinkle's endorsement of Donald Trump in the tweets that he deleted them later?
What do you mean endorsement? Because he didn't endorse him during the election.
Before the election.
Well, before the election, when it came to the Maga communist phenomenon, Jackson and myself included, by the way, were definitely...
Well, Jackson's mentality is basically that if there are positive aspects of Trump
and if Trump does good
there should be
emphasis on that tendency
for the sake of emphasizing that for the Maga
movement and when he does
something bad that should also
be criticized.
So in a given tweet that Jackson makes about Trump, you're not finding a holistic, general, and final and complete, total appraisal of Trump and his significance. Such a manner of
thinking, by the way, is not even really dialectical, because it's always a matter of different
tendencies. Now, the thing is, you could say that as well about Biden.
Why did Trump, why does Jackson not apply that same standards of Biden and others and so on and so on?
Because from the MAGA communist analysis or strategy, the idea is that there's a civil war within the American state where MAGA is not yet,
maybe we should say that, especially before the election, definitely not the hegemony. There's a hegemony. Maga seems to be an ambiguous counter-hegemonic phenomenon. So it's very important to try to get in there and try to define the content of the counter-hegemonic space. And one of the ways to do that is to basically
reward, this was
before he was elected president again,
reward the positive
tendencies, or at least the
tendencies that more align and seem to be
more conducive with
a consistent and principled anti-hegemony position.
Is Trump principled and consistent himself? No.
But that is not the sum total
of the significance he had
for
American politics at that time
not just his own character
and his own personality
so if that makes sense
that's basically
what about his manifest destiny talking about you were at the United States, liberating Canada?
What was that?
What in particular about that do you take offense to?
Is it the part of our manifest destiny or is it a sensitivity?
It sounds silly.
Sure, but
do you think that Canada is like a progressive
country or is it about manifest destiny?
Progressive
country? Like, what does that have to do?
Well, like, for example, I think
a principled, you know, Marxist Leninist would say, who cares about Canada and the Canadian government?
It's illegitimate and we don't care what happens to it, right?
Is that, do you agree with that or do you think that you know that Canada is like a legitimate
has a legitimate historical legitimate legitimate revolutionary tradition at the founding of its state
the communist parties in Canada can say the same about the United States
and the ECP.
If they do, then they are
taking a position that's contrary to the
Marxist-Leninist tradition. Because the
Marxist-Leninist tradition regards
the foundation of the
United States to be historically legitimate.
It has a legitimate, historically legitimate,
historically legitimate revolutionary tradition from the Marxist perspective.
I understand there are some recent thinkers who have tried to challenge that or push back on that, that's fine.
No one's being dogmatic.
I'm just saying that is an unorthodox position relative to the classical Marxist-Leninist position on the matter.
Yeah, I see your views on that.
It just, a lot of it doesn't make sense, though.
Okay.
Elaborate, please.
It's like what makes you guys and the United States, like
what makes
the U.S. de facto so much better than Canada as far as like you guys are multi-polaritis straight?
It's not really a matter of better or worse. I think that's very, it's kind of simplistic because the U.S. is responsible for
a huge degree of crimes and trouble in the world. I mean, there's, you don't have to tell us twice
about that. But I would say that with respect to a nation or a polarity or something,
the United States is a country with about 330 million. Canada only has 30 million people.
And Canada does not have a tradition, a revolutionary tradition at the
founding of its state. It has no tradition of the formation of any kind of independent nation.
Which, by the way, the Marxist view, actually, if you really pry into it consistently,
is that nations are formed through revolutionary historical events. That's really what founds a nation. Nations are not formed
from DNA. They're not formed from blood. They're not formed from ideas. They're formed
from revolutionary events
within a given people, you know,
within a given motive, specific
extent of a given
historically constituted community,
right?
And Canada never had that. It has a tradition of a failed revolution,
which the U.S. government was reactionary and teamed up with the British to squash. So there
are Canadian comrades we have that point that out, and we of course agree with them.
But Canada, as it stands, does not have real popular sovereignty even formally, in a bourgeois democratic sense.
Because the British king at any time can dissolve parliament
which did happen in Australia for example so from the Marxist perspective Canada has not
even yet really had its bourgeois revolution. Now, we're not
Mensheviks who believe we need the stages and we need to first have that before the proletarian
one. But I think that weighs the argument better in favor of the idea that the United States is a better base in terms of providing the foundation of an already existing revolutionary tradition for the construction of a proletarian politics that is applicable to this nation. And by the way, Marx and Engels had the same view.
They believed that it was only a matter of time before Canada was annexed by the USA, at which they
regarded as a positive and progressive development.
Again, I'm not saying this is a dogmatic thing that there's no possibility of debate over.
I'm just saying it's definitely not an heterodox position within Marxism-Leninism, to view the USA as a more legitimate or authentic state or nation, national tradition than Canadian state. Okay, has another question.
A very good one.
Is, and mathematically, let's see here.
So do you know how a woman let's see here so
do you know how
a woman's anatomy works
I was
I was just pausing
I was just pausing because I wanted to give you time to, like, get the laughs out.
I don't want you to have to hold it in.
You know, I want you to be able to.
Yeah, please.
Oh, really? I'm continuing to pause, because I think it's really funny and I want to, like, I don't want to have to interrupt.
People are trying to trying You've got
You said you don't believe that woman
You've got
The whole
And like the whole squad is laughing right now.
If I may,
I do have proof that this person is in an anti-ACP group chat
and I believe that they are in the same room as Rambly.
And yes,
they're doing exactly that.
They're laughing like little teenage boys.
They're probably are, to be quite honest.
Rambley's 18.
Teenage boys, ha ha ha-ha-haing about something that happened three years ago.
It's boring.
Be adults,
please. No, by the way, I'm not saying like it's not funny.
I'm just saying it's kind of old.
Like, it was funny.
But I don't understand, like,
maybe I'm autistic. Like, is
there some, is this like
serious to you or something or what or is
it just like it's just like
a funny meme like
because our community is not foreign
to this meme.
As you know
this was also funny for us too
but we're in 2025, we have some serious things to talk about now.
Like, I'm kind of at a loss for like what the sick.
What is this about now?
Like what you're clearly not, are you from the infrared community?
Because, I mean, like,
this is one of our, like, classic
memes for us.
A lot of shorling you do, right? I feel like,
I feel like you're coming at it from, like, a
hostile position. So, like, you're,
like, upset about it, or
this is somehow like supposed
to be like an attack
or something like I don't know maybe I'm autistic
just like Rambly is can you like
spell it out more explicitly for me
so I can like better understand
like what the what the significance is
here like like explain the joke like i'm an autistic person
a lot of these tweets you make is that a lot of trolling on your part
alexander what's up when you say stuff like get rid of game cube will be smashed
go bust into home smashing gaming PCs and Nintendo consoles Like, get rid of GameCube will be smashed.
Go bust into home smashing gaming PCs and Nintendo consoles.
Like, I'm trying to understand those tweets.
Yeah, like, you basically, like, you don't get it, right?
I think, look, I'm not an abliistic person.
So I just want to assure you, like, I'm not going to smash your GameCube, okay?
I don't want you to worry or lose sleep or be upset or I don't want you to be tossing and turning in cold sweats at night.
Your GameCube is safe.
I'm not going to go to your house and smash your GameCube with a hammer.
You don't have to worry.
You know?
And I think that's a sigh of relief for you.
I think you just sighed.
I think I heard it.
Ron!
What's up, brother?
Yeah, because a lot of your tweets are hilarious.
Like, what about the eating at McDonald's in America is the people's banquet?
What about that one? Yeah, like, like um you have nothing to worry about you know you don't
have to eat at the banquet it's totally fine don't worry you're not under attack
shadow the hedgehog is not coming for you, I promise. such a clown What do you? What's an example of a serious person if I'm a clown?
Who do you regard as like a serious leftist, like intellectual who's like not a clown?
Anyone that's not
no just name name like one person
so like call marks
okay a person who's alive
and is relevant in 2025
that like i should be more like them like i should be i should be less humorous and i
should be like more like these really serious people who are so serious you should like name them
just so i know like who I should learn from.
Is there a single person who's not a clown who's leftist influencer in 2025?
Please, go ahead. Hold on a second.
15 seconds, you know, it shouldn't really take this long.
It should really just be something you can name off the top of your head
nothing yeah that's what I thought. Really nothing.
Because the truth is, is that all the people you take seriously are actually fucking clowns. And the difference is that they don't even know that they're joking.
You know, Orange, please, go ahead.
Go ahead, Orange.
Sorry, it took me a little bit to connect.
So I wanted to ask about what the party's position is on the Sahelian states, especially
because I saw a while ago. The Sahelian states, especially because I saw a while ago.
The Sahel, right? Sahelian.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Niger, Burkina Faso, and Mali.
Yeah.
Especially because, I mean, I was hopeful too in the beginning but also i saw recently that
they were meeting with uh africom and they were taking out i mf loans yeah that's interesting um
there is um we don't we in principle we don't advocate for meddling in
the internal affairs of other countries but we just know that these countries have risen in
revolt against french imperialism in Africa, which is a more directly reactionary
phenomenon.
The decision between, you know, IMF loans and so on,
at least now they have the choice
to decide between
cooperation with China or, you know, the U.S. financial
hegemony for whatever reason.
Before then, they didn't have that choice because they didn't even have any degree of
sovereignty whatsoever, right?
Mm-hmm.
So French colonialism is an extremely reactionary phenomenon, which is retorting the development
of Africa beyond even the United States
you know yeah I that that's basically off the top of my head what I would say
so should be regarded as like the Suez Canal crisis.
Well, not necessarily, but that similar dynamics are at play there, as you know.
Like, you know, the U.S. was not necessarily fully on board with the British and the French in that conflict. Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I want to also ask about what the party, what you think of the conflict in the East Congo.
You know, I hate to say this and I'm ashamed to say it, but I'm just not very informed about it.
No, that's fine.
That brings me, I don't really have excuses not to be informed about it, but that's really, I know that there are many, there is many geopolitical forces at play with Russia, the United States, and France, and so on.
But I just, you know, I think in South Africa, Malema took a very strong position against
one of the
armies that were backed by
Kagame.
Yep. Yeah, I'm 23.
I'm 23.
Yeah, yeah. Because there was some south african troops up there
uh but he wanted to bring them back and then he condemned kagame but
again in effect it just means he doesn't want south africa involved you know right right
yeah but i you know i Right, right. Yeah.
But I, you know, I don't know what's really, I don't know what's like really going on.
I know, of course, there's minerals and there's resources that play back. Like, really, I don't know the internal politics of the Congo at all.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just don't know it all.
Yeah. And then finally,
I've become sort of known as like the Sudan guy.
So I wanted to ask since yesterday,
they just, the army just took
over the capital.
What the party
what you to think of the
conflict there
you're
it's like I'm just hearing this for the first time
has happened yesterday
yeah yesterday
this huge and the army in this case is time. This happened yesterday? Yeah, yesterday. It was huge.
And the army in this case is backed by who?
They're supported by Egypt, by Iran.
No, not the UAE
The UAE.
The UAE supports the militia, which just lost
the capital.
Ah.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because the Nile goes through us,
so Egypt doesn't really mess
with the Nile,
you know?
You are in Sudan?
No, I'm not in Sudan, but I'm from Sudan.
Okay, okay.
I'm in the U.S. I'm in the U.S.
Yeah, so Saudi Arabia and the UAE were supporting the militia before uh Saudi Arabia
I'm not sure they were there for the negotiations and the army just praised them.
They made a statement saying they're like a brotherly nation.
But the UAE has been supporting them, and it's like known that they've been supporting them.
Are these the descendants of the Janjaweed militias?
Yes, yes.
Yeah, one to one.
It's the same leaders, same fighters, everything.
Wow.
Yeah.
This is another thing I don't know enough about to comment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is another thing I don't know enough about to comment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I should learn more, yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's fine.
There's not a lot of English.
You know, usually it doesn't take me long to learn.
It usually takes me a few days.
I just have to fully commit to it you
know and that's what yeah i'm really lacking right now is the time me to sit down and fully
investigate and learn what's going on mm-hmm uh i can send you some stuff if you want.
You know what?
I hear something I'm interested.
Does Turkey have any involvement?
Yes.
I mean, they've sold, I mean,
they hosted talks a little bit ago
between the army and the UAE directly.
They cut out the militia.
Or they said they were going to.
And they sold drones to both the UAE and the army.
They were playing both sides. Interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
It's kind of like one of those conflicts where it's not really like
there is like an imperialist side here but it's not as like one to one as people are
confusing because there's not necessarily a clearly progressive force
I think here it's
been made clear
that this is my the army
is that force
but also
the it's it's it's not we're just looking at alliances yeah it has its own contradictions and
yeah yeah and its own regional sort of contradictions yeah you know yeah but yeah
that's all I wanted to ask about
okay yeah thank you
appreciate it
thanks for bringing it to my attention
yeah
all right
see yeah
so yeah so
so Applejack I don't mean to ignore you.
It's just we're trying to bring on people that are new.
I think last time we had a pretty articulate discussion.
And I mean, the people that I'm bringing on that are not new is like rambly, just like a troll.
You know, this is just for entertaining the value.
But they see there's three requests.
I think Kayla had to go.
I need someone to co-host because I cannot see there's four requests.
I can only see one.
I'm going to have to find someone to co-host.
Ed, would you be down to co-host, Ed Gentry?
Just thumbs up, Douglas.
Would you be down? I'll invite Douglas. Sewell?
Sewell? Okay, there's six requests.
Wow.
All right.
I can only see one.
We're going to have like two more, and then we're going to wrap it up what up douglas uh so can you see the
five people uh bring on like someone uh bring on like someone who seems like like a leftist op something like that
that's what we're looking for.
I had originally requested, because I had a question of mine, and the co-hosts just
happened completely by accident. It just happened to be at the same time.
All right.
But long-time ACP guy, long time acp guy long time infrared guy i'm just sort of curious um there's been some speculation that
russia had either supported or was apathetic
to the fall of Assad.
I'm just curious on your personal thoughts.
Do you think Russia might have
just gotten sick of Assad in this
case? No.
No. From what I know,
from what I know, from what I know, from what really happened was that there was not a strong degree of morale and willingness on part of a lot of the segments of the army and people close to the leadership.
From what I know, you know, a lot of the pro-Iranian militia is also scattered to the wind mysteriously.
Syria was in a dire, pretty bad situation.
This is just from what I know, you know, from what I was told.
I don't really strongly suspect that Russia sold out Assad, though. Douglas, is there anyone?
Yeah.
Yeah, we got
Andre Manigault
looks like
he has posted
a little bit about
some unions
and
posted about
Burkino Faso
we could bring him up
okay
is there anyone else
like leftist
uh nobody who's
like straight up left Dakota's you know
pronouns and bio type shit
well they don't necessarily need that
but it's all right.
What up?
What's going on?
Not much.
I've actually spoken with you before.
I've been in one of your space since.
Oh, okay.
Hey, I don't mean to be rude.
But let's keep it quick. you've been here before because Yes, I have. I'll wrap it up soon and we want to also bring on some more adversarial
People that weren't that have not been on this before
I mean to be honest with you
the one time that I did come on we did
kind of get into it
about
Marxism but I'm not
here to be an adversary of nor
but if you have
a different agenda for your space, I respect.
I know you guys run a tight ship and you get a lot of stuff.
I respect to organizing and all this stuff we're doing.
So I just wanted to shout you out man
I appreciate it man thank you so much
I really appreciate it and uh
yeah I think I do remember
we had a kind of a back and forth but I think it was
we resolved that I feel like at the end
you're a Marxist
you're a socialist
it's fine
yeah
I'm more about
co-op
worker co-ops
and I'm more
open to
you know
some of the
reform this stuff
in as far as
theory goes.
Not to say that I'm also down with the revolution
and what Lenin and Mao and
these people were all about as well. So I'm open-minded.
And yeah, that's pretty much it. I just got back. I'm a coach for work. I just got back from work. But I would love to hear you guys talk about,
you know, some of the stuff that I'm doing in terms of housing and with some of the...
Are you based in the U.S.?
Yeah, I'm in New York City, and so I work...
Hey, listen, if you straight up want to collab with us, please reach out to, do you know, Spiros?
No, I don't.
I know you.
That's it.
Okay.
Spiros, what's his handle? You guys in the chat? What's his handle on X? Spiros's his handle?
You guys in the chat?
What's his handle on X?
Spiros is his handle.
I don't have it off the top of my head.
If you DM the guy named Spiros,
he's the head of the New York chapter of the ACP.
So he organizes all the people in New York in our chapter.
And if you have anything in mind for some collaboration, I think you'd be more than...
Yeah.
The housing and supportive housing, affordable housing, all that stuff.
That's my area.
But as well as, like I said, clinical treatment when it comes to mental health, substance abuse.
Right.
And homelessness goes with the big three.
So his add on X is going to be AM underscore partisan.
Okay.
That's Spiroxed in the in the bubble and I can, I can, I can let me.
Yeah, because I'm, I'm kind of on a funky app.
Okay.
All right, what is it?
Yeah, I can DM it to you if you want.
Yeah, DM it to them, please.
I'll DM it to you, yeah.
All right, cool, because I just got in.
All right, thank you. I just got in. All right, thank you.
Thank you, man.
Listen.
All right, so we got two people who are not...
I think bring Dan Dan up here
Yeah
Dan is like
Maybe
Magalite guy
Um
All right
But that'll be our last guy
Then
We're gonna bring one more person on
Okay last guy then. We're going to bring one more person on.
Hey, what up, Dan? What's going on?
Hello, hello. Can you hear me? Yep.
All right. I got a question for you guys. First of all, hello. How do you account for the massive market inefficiencies that result from command economies?
I think these inefficiencies are mainly centered around light consumer goods.
Are they?
Yes.
Well, have you heard of the dumping that's happening in China right now?
I mean, as a result of the post-Mao regime, right? All the economic decisions have led to them doing entirely investment-based economic matters over consumer-based,
and this has led to massive market inefficiencies, and now they're having to give away their product for free to all these pre-industrialized countries, right? That seems to me like a pretty big gap in inefficiency, and the Soviet Union had the same thing. I mean, if you read the papers,
they had to try to simulate consumer-based economies. So to me, it just seems like a very
unviable route command economies. Well, I think China having tremendous surpluses and the ability to export those surpluses and...
Well, yeah, the surpluses come from the command economy.
I think that's just conducive to the growth of overall global wealth and the development of societies globally.
I think it's a positive force.
And it's a positive force?
Absolutely.
Well, it's coming from market inefficiency.
In fact, it's actually de-industrializing.
It's de-industrializing it's deindustrializing
the African countries and
third world countries they're sending them to
it's having what someone would say is an
inverse effect because these are like
pre-globalization
countries by all means
you can call that a consequence of market inefficiency or You can call that a consequence
of market in efficiency, or you can
call it a consequence of an age-old
problem of industrialized societies
selling cheap goods
to poor and underdeveloped countries, which also
decimates the local industries and so on
and so on. I just happen to think that under a framework of Chinese-led global economic growth,
that the Chinese are cognizant of these realities, they're aware of them,
and there is a better chance that they can be offset through cooperation with African
countries. And through deliberate, yes, command economy style planning to account for these things. You know, there's a way to actually be these things.
There's a way to actually be consciously aware of this and respond to it, whereas before China, the same phenomena was going on, but there was no sense of responsibility for it.
It was just regarded as a consequence of the global market, which by itself has never, never industrialized countries by itself.
I mean, industrialization was always, and everywhere in the world was a consequence of deliberate, heavy-handed state intervention
that came at the expense of global free markets.
You see, Hans, the reason why I'm not too sure about this is when Neng Xiaoping instituted
these policies
the inefficiencies that they led to
have detrimental effects on the chinese
economy to the point where it makes
me think well why not just have a consumer
based economy it just seems
so much more efficient it seems like
you're going through all this
hassles go through all this hassle to try to simulate the consumer based economy what's a
consumer what is a consumer based economy what are examples of that consumer based economy is
capital is what's an example what is an example? What is an
example of a country that has that?
The United States.
The United States is $35 trillion
in debt, so I don't think China needs to be taking
Wait, wait, wait, wait, I don't think
deficit has, hold on, deficit arises.
The U.S. is rapidly deindustrializing.
It's facing runaway inflation.
It is absolutely.
Yes.
So, okay, I agree that the United States is deindustrializing, but that's a different problem.
That's actually globalization.
Well, China also suffers globalization, but it has ways to deliberately account for and offset
the negative effects, and that doesn't exist here because...
I don't think they have.
I think the market inefficiencies are caused entirely from their command economy.
I would look at the homeownership rates.
I would like to say that the deficit in the problems in the American economy, those are two different problems that you brought up there.
So globalization is the primary cause of both of those.
In fact, with the deficit, it's when we have more, we have more in courts than we have exports and that causes a deficit.
Right.
And that's a consequence of the fact that we do not have an economy that is as planned as China's?
No, no, it's because we outsourced all our labor to China.
Which we did, which we did because we don't have the ability.
We don't have a public monopoly on credit, so we actually have to rely upon the global market in order to invest and fund and make money and create things.
So, you know, it's not like we could just, for example, cheapen the costs of production here through heavy-handed investment in the
productive forces, which comes at the expense of short-term profits, the interests of short-term
profit have to subsume everything, right? So that's... Well, no, the reason why we did it was just
because the labor was cheaper.
That's what I just said.
I just said that. I just said that.
Yes.
According to the logic of short term.
The reason why it's cheaper is not a very savory reason.
These are these are very poor conditions and what have China has.
In poorer countries, the cost of labor is less. We know that. There's nothing new here.
This is to say that the reason why outsourcing to China isn't a matter of like Chinese economic superiority is because their market.
Sorry, I'm going to, look, I'm going to apologize.
Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
I just have very limited patients tonight, so I muted you. And I just wanted to say that's not what I said. What I said was that it was a consequence of the fact that in the United States, economic decisions that have a major impact on the overall welfare of the country are motivated by the short-term profits of the private sector.
And according to the logic of getting as much short-term profit as you can. Yes, outsourcing for cheap labor was the rational
decision, okay? But on an overall macroeconomic level that had disastrous effects for the U.S.
economy. So in China, decisions are not made in the interests of short-term profits.
They're made in the interests of the overall long-term development of the entire Chinese nation.
So that's what I was trying to say.
It had nothing to do with the idea that China's command economy is the reason
that American corporations prefer cheap
labor. That's not what I was saying.
Okay,
that's it.
Yeah, no, I think that that is a fair point.
I do agree.
I don't like corporate outsourcing.
I don't like the profit-seeking mentality.
And I'm not defending the fact that corporations would trade for cheap labor in a heartbeat.
And I do agree that China does
have an overall more collective
focus that can lend to their benefit.
Those are things that I would not deny.
I just don't think it proves any
advantage to the command economy.
It still has massive inefficiencies and i still
don't think it's better off for their their citizens i think the biggest successes of den jiao
ping's opening of the chinese market were capitalist ones right um i think the thing that made the Chinese people prosper, right, after the Maoist disaster
was the fact that then Xiaoping was willing to introduce some degree of capitalism.
Well, we're going to...
I'm not even like...
Yeah, I know. We're going to have to wrap it up by just me saying we're going to... I'm not even like... Yeah, I know.
We're going to have to wrap it up by just me saying, we're going to have to agree to
disagree on this point.
Maybe at a later time, we can pursue it further, but all I'd really say is that I think
it's a one-sided view. I think you can't take one thing and discard the other.
You can't just say Mao was bad and Dang was good
because Mao laid the foundations for what
Dang did in a lot of ways. No, I think they were both
bad, but yeah. But yeah, Deng Xiaoping would not have been able to do what
he did, were it not for the industrial
and infrastructural foundations.
Modernization, the base primary level of modernization came from the Mao era, you know?
So, you know, I like to say that it's important to take a dialectical view.
And you understand everything's an
interconnected whole. There's not just one thing versus the other. You're talking about
qualities that are indispensable for each other's existence, you know.
Anyway, we're just going to have to agree to disagree
because I think it's about that time to wrap up the space.
All right. Good job.
Yeah.
See you later, man. All right. Good time. Mm-hmm. Yeah. See you later, man.
All right. So, guys, I'm just
starving at this point and
very tired.
Later, Hans. I hit up, um up um uh what's his name spiros yes
all right have a good night
see you later bro
good night
so uh yeah um
this we're gonna have to do something about to confront the chairman spaces, guys, because, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, they can just type it out, you know, and then you take a screenshot and then I respond
but you guys are not
you don't understand what I'm talking about.
You're going to the spaces content channel
it's a bunch of nonsense, right?
So what you're going to need to do is
instead of just telling people, hey, get in
the space and debate Haas, if these people say no, where they're not willing, say, okay, then what do you have to confront us with? And they can link something, they can say something, and we will directly, I will directly address it.
That's what the goal was, all right?
You know, that's a good idea.
Next week have Jackson.
We'll see there's a time zone difference, but we'll see.
That's a good zone difference so but we'll see that's a good idea uh okay yeah it would be great
to have jackson on uh okay guys i'm uh gonna eat hold on let's see if we have anything else. You know, all right guys um it's a shame that no one wants to confront me with the crazy things they say about our party
but i think a lot of people are just afraid to actually say it out loud in front of someone who has the ability to subject it to the bare minimum of scrutiny because they know deep in their heart of hearts that what they're saying just doesn't reflect
reality. They're just not very confident
in it. Straitlandi, what's up, man? Appreciate you. All right, guys, we're going to wrap
it up. I'll see you guys. Sunday. I'll see you guys. Bye-bye.
And by the way, I'm going to be deleting the space from my timeline so you could just watch it on kick.
Bye-bye.
Let's delete this from the timeline so it doesn't fuck with my algorithm.
Good. from the timeline so it doesn't fuck with my algorithm. But I got a shit.
Gotta do laundry and shit.
And then eat.
Bye guys.
Bye guys. Bye guys.
So let me totally end the stream.
All right.
Stream ended.
Yeah, finally.
Finally. All right. ended. Yeah, finally.
Finally.
All right.
I thought that would never end.
Hello?
Tulsi? Yeah. No, they're definitely... Look, all right? I'm trying as hard as I can. I'm trying. It's just that it's really hard to tarnish the good reputation of the autistic furries. They're really appealing. Everyone loves them. They're really normal. It's really hard for us to blacken their name in the way we are, Tulsi. So you're going to have to send us more money.
And I need more weapons for Haiti, Tulsi.
That's really it.
You know?
Hold on.
Three-way call?
All right.
So Ben Gerber.
Hey, man.
What's up?
I just wanted to, you know, the plan is working.
The website.
You know, it's definitely still ACP.us, just like you planned for it to be 23 years ago.
And, you know, nobody, you know, they're kind of on to us, but, you know, it's just,
what can we say? what can we say
what can we say
you know
oh my god
the stream is still running
oh no
what is going on