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So, we got a lot to talk about, y'all.

Thomas Massey lost, and we got to draw some immediate conclusions from that.

And I want you guys to have the correct conclusion, not the wrong conclusion.

We're also under, there's a lot more there that's going on tonight specifically. there's a lot more there

that's going on tonight specifically. There's a lot

more stupid, retarded, targeted

attacks. But in any

case,

we've got quite a lot to talk about. Okay?

So first of all, why did Thomas Massey

lose? Let's just get right into it why did thomas massy

lose okay answer one because electoralism is a is is is obsolete no that's not why okay because elections are

inherently impossible to win in any scenario?

Not true.

This was a very specific circumstance where Thomas Massey ran for the Republican primary.

I want you guys to have some background information because you may not know this okay i want you to have a realistic

understanding okay i want you to have a realistic understanding and understand why it's not

necessarily true it's not necessarily true.

It's not necessarily true that this speaks to the, this is proof that elections are impossible

to win. If they were impossible to win, then tell me why this was the most expensive house primary in U.S. history.

You heard that right.

This was the most expensive U.S. primary house primary in the entire history of this country since the founding in 1776.

They had to spend so much to get the extra, what, 7,000, 8,000 votes to defeat Thomas Massey and the Republican primary.

So, yeah, they really, really, really put a lot of effort in making sure he was going to get

unseated.

And we have to look at the voter demographics and we have to look at the turnout, the exit polls

to really get a clearer picture.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that they mobilized the retirement homes

and the retarded evangelical, barely sentient boomers

to tip the scale in the way that had to be tipped in order for this to happen.

They really, really got the Walmart scooters out,

and really they were room, room, brum, rooming all the way to the polls.

The APEC and the Zionists made sure the fat, obese, retard boomer retirees were on their

fucking scooters driving to the polls to make sure that this would happen in mass numbers.

And even then, it was very, very tight,

and it was very close race.

So remember, this was the most expensive house primary in U.S. history.

Making them spend this much money only happens when they're scared.

They were fucking terrified of the prospect that Thomas Massey

would win. And what did I

tell you before? I've said this so consistently.

I'm very consistent on this.

All warfare, and since

we're Marxist Klausvitzians, we understand

that war is an extension of politics

and politics is an extension of war.

So politics is indeed a form of warfare.

And what do I continually and always say?

All warfare is about morale.

The only thing that compels human beings to organize in a collective manner, a collective coordinated manner

to pool together what they have, is moral unity. That's the only thing that compels human

beings to actually decisively work together in ways that break their habits and conventions it's just morale it's it's a

game of morale right had thomas massey won this republican primary it would have been a moral shock

to the nation because the headlines would have shocked the nation the headlines would have produced an

effect by way of morale that inspires hope among the masses why because the zionists and the people

that rule and control politics understand one thing all it takes is for the masses to have self-confidence for a revolution to happen in this country

the american people are ready for a revolution they've been ready for a very long time

they're ready to see the kind of change that libtards tell us is implausible and they need more education

and need to watch more Hassan streams or something.

No.

The masses are ready for revolutionary change.

And the minute anyone inspires them with the self-confidence of self-awareness of holy shit oh we are together oh my god we can

we can fucking do this we can win we can pull together what we have and win anyone who becomes

a standard bearer of that hope has to be punished discited, and they have to throw everything they got

to break them down and slow them down and destroy them.

So it's no surprise, but imagine had Massey won.

It would have shot waves throughout the nation.

It would have been the torch,

the torch that lit a completely new era of politics in this country, I would argue, right, given the context. It would be a definitive

victory in the Maga Civil War for the genuine, you know, sincere forces that were within that movement or adjacent to it.

Now, I want to actually spell something out for those of you who cannot understand.

It's not actually bad that he lost the Republican primary. Why? Because had he won, it would have had a Zoron effect, maybe. It would have convinced tens of millions of voters across the country that the Republican Party is a salvageable platform. Just like Mamdani is being used as the pretext for

Hassan to dupe and trick his audience into thinking that the Democratic Party is a salvageable

platform. Massey losing this, Republican primary in particular, proves the Republican Party

is not salvageable. And why

is it that the Republican Party is

unsalvageable?

Is it because

the elections

were rigged that the Republican

Party played some games to make sure that...

Maybe, maybe.

But that's not actually what's important.

What's actually important, and what I'm not really seeing in the discourse much, which I would

like to see more people have awareness of, which is why I'm telling you right now.

The reason why the Republican Party will never be a sufficient platform to have this kind of politics.

And then when I say this, it's going to shock you.

You're going to start like, holy fuck, it's a miracle.

Massey even had a chance.

And one, or sorry, lost by the margin that he did.

Because in order for Massey to actually win, he's got to cut across the partisan lines.

His politics doesn't just represent the views of Republicans.

It also represents the views of a lot of people who are conventionally Democrat.

Obviously, it represents young people for sure, but it represents independence,

apolitical people, and Democrats.

And to reach those people,

you cannot confine yourself to the Republican ticket.

Now, this was a strictly Republican primary.

Only registered Republicans could vote in this primary,

I think, right?

That's how it works.

So the only way, the only way this could have been successful is if the majority of strictly Republican voters voted for Thomas Massey. That's extremely hard because if you look at the polls, if you understand how MAGA is structured, MAGA is not full of committed Republicans.

It's just not strictly. It's not exclusively Republicans, I mean.

It's always been necessary for the scales to be tipped in both 2016 and twenty twenty

four for a huge bulk of democrats to actually tap in or apolitical people or former

democrats or something to tip the scales for maga That's always been the case in the major presidential

elections. Maga would not have existed if it was just traditional and conventional

Republican constituencies alone. The strictly Republican electorate, the strictly, strictly Republican electorate, meaning the people who aren't swing voters, the people who are strictly die-hard Republicans forever, while the majority of them are fat evangelical boomer, senile retards who are just fundamentally unsalvigable

MAGA has never

gotten its vitality or vigor

from them. It has always

gotten its vitality and vigor

from swing voters and a

political voters. You look at the polls

and it confirms this.

So what Thomas Massey really missed here in terms of trying to score any kind of victory

when he's going against the Republican machine, which is effectively what he was doing

in this election, he was going against the Republican machine.

Well, the kind of victory that he needed to score,

he needed to...

He needed to get voters who are not people who give a shit about Republicans.

He needed to get non-Republican constituencies to pull any kind of victory like this.

So I'll go ahead and say this.

You know what Massey should do going forward?

He should declare that third party electoral electoral coalition with Majorie Taylor Green,

get as many progressive Democrats as he can to tap into it,

get as many disgruntled MAGA Republicans to tap into it,

and give a platform to fresh new independent candidates who are going to be running in the midterms

to have a platform, to have a viable third party that they could say, well, this is a viable

third party. Thomas Massey's part of it. MTG is part of it. Other people are part of the...

Like, immediately give the party credibility by declaring it right now while you're in Congress.

And let's see a third party actually score some victories in the midterms.

Not a majority of victories. That's impossible. Some to build a foundation

for something in the future. That's how we're going to have the political realignment work in

this country. And why am I saying this? When you say, well, you know, it's impossible.

Electoralism is like completely obsolete.

It's impossible.

I have to say this.

Look, that might be true.

But we still have to show that we have a way forward and we have a strategy to offer people.

We have a choice.

Because, look, mainstream politics is still the way that Americans articulate their existence.

Let's just be radically honest about that fact.

Most Americans still, when you ask them about politics, what's the one thing you guys hear whenever you talk to average Joe's on the street as American communists?

What's the first thing you hear?

I'll tell you the first thing that I hear.

First thing that I hear is who are you going to vote for?

Oh, who would you want to vote for then?

Oh, which president?

Everyone still articulates politics in the language of conventional electoral established politics.

That's just 99,999% of

Americans. Anything beyond that is just

goes beyond the threshold of their current

imagination.

That's just the truth. That's where Americans are at.

I tell people, I say I don't vote, but it would be interesting if Tucker ran for presidency.

You'd be interesting if Thomas Massey ran for presidency.

That's what I tell people.

And immediately I get a resonance with 99% of the people.

Average those are like, oh, I love them.

Yeah, I love what they're saying.

I love how hard they're going against Israel.

I don't say I would vote for them.

You know, the communist is deigned to conceal their views.

But I do get a pulse on where people are putting their hope.

You know, oh, I really like these people.

Yeah, yeah, those are the people who should run.

So we need to absolutely be clear that this is fucking terrible because what these fucking

zionists do is they let the progressive Democrats win in their primaries.

And then when it comes to the Republicans like Thomas Massey and others, they absolutely go,

let me ask you a question.

I have a question to like Democrat leftists, leftists who still work with the Democrat Party.

This is literally a question.

Million dollar question. Anyone who can answer this will send you $500. Tell me why.

Why is this the most expensive congressional run primary in the history of the U.S.?

If I, if I'm correct, someone correct me if i'm wrong i think this was more

was this more expensive than the new york mayor race was this more expensive than

let me ask grok i'll just ask Grock.

Why wasn't AOC's primary this expensive?

Was it more expensive than the NYC Democratic primary for mayor. Okay.

So Kentucky raised 30 to 33 million.

Outside independent spending alone reached 30 to 35 million.

Okay, so it was about the same, neck and neck.

Okay, fair enough.

That was also very much about Israel when you think about it.

But also, consider the following.

Why is that not even impressive?

Hold on, no, no, no, no.

I just thought of something.

This is fucking crazy.

This was just as expensive as the Mamdani race.

You want to know why that's fucking crazy?

Because million, over a million people voted in the Mamdani race.

Wasn't it like two million people?

Holy fuck, only 40,000 people voted in the Mamdani race. Wasn't it like two million people? Holy fuck, only 40,000 people voted in this race. So for a race of just like, I don't know, 100,000 people total voting in this primary,

what was it? What was it?

What was it exactly?

It was like, what?

70, 80,000?

This was the, this was

$35 million.

Okay?

Mamdani's

Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo,

got just as much money as this random

fuck name Ed Gallarin

and they're

fighting over such a tiny

electorate compared to New York City.

Holy fuck, how is your mind not blown?

Everyone think about that for one fucking second.

The New York City race. The New York City race. Millions of people are voting in that shit.

And it costs just as much. Just as much for this small district in Kentucky.

Tell me why they don't spend on Democrat against progressive Democrats as much as they

spend against people like Thomas Massey.

I want a good faith pro-democrat leftist, Hassan Psey. I want a good faith

pro-democrat leftist,

Hassan Piker. I want a Hassan Piker to answer

this. Hassan Piker, why don't

they spend as much

against progressive Democrats

even remotely

comparable electoral populations? You know, they spent just as much on Cuomo

for a population that is five trillion times larger.

But in any case, why do they never spend this aggressively to stop and thwart progressive

Democrats.

Right?

This is fucking crazy. No one

thinks about this. Because who's more of a threat

to the system? Dividing

the Democratic Party, which is undividable,

or the people trying to divide the Republican

Party. Holy fuck, you divide the Republican

party, you're causing trouble.

You're causing problems. And people

tell me Maga Communism was stupid.

Everyone who said maga

communism is stupid. I want you Maga Communism is stupid.

I want you to look in the mirror right now,

look at yourself in the mirror,

and recognize the retarded subhuman that you are.

Of course Maga Communism was the fucking smartest shit.

Why?

Because they're not fucking scared about the stupid sleepover

slumber party scandals that happened in the Democratic Party. Nobody gives a fuck about that.

Nobody gives a fuck about the tiptoeing of democratic socialist progressives moving the need of nobody

gives a shit.

They don't spend anywhere near as much to stop progressive Democrats as much as they do to control and stop people who could potentially divide the Republican Party.

Because the Republican Party is the belly of the fucking beast when it comes to the controlled opposition within this country.

Nobody gives a shit about what happens in the Democratic Party.

Why? Because the Democratic Party is a well-oiled machine, and the machine will always win.

The Republican Party is a fucking, it's a retarded shit fest, and thus far it's been like a wild west,

and it fucking terrifies

them the unpredictability terrifies

them they're spending so much

so much

on this one guy this

one district

okay

so everyone needs to be cognizant and pay attention

yeah why was

the Republican primary.

Keep this in mind.

The Republican primary.

It was like,

correct me if I'm wrong.

It was like 36 for Massey and like 47 for the other guy.

47,000.

So it's like less

than 100,000 people voting in the Republican

primary. They spent just as

much on this primary

as they did

on the Democratic primary

in New York City for mayor where like what how many people fucking voted in that

why does aOC never get this this why does aOC never get challenged this aggressively?

How come no one's asking this question?

Why is it only people like Thomas Massey that they're fucking scared of?

Okay, well, it just goes to show.

The thing that's going to be the breakout moment for people like massey the breakout moment

get the fuck out of the republican party take all those people with you form a third party and

invite people who might vote for progressive democrats in that's how you're going to fucking win

there's so many people duped by progressive Democrats

who could vote for Thomas Massey.

So many people.

Get all them in.

Shore up everybody.

Shore up.

Ex-democrats, ex-Republicans

plus independents,

you could pack a

very powerful punch. If

one

congressional seat is won in this country by a

third party, all takes just one victory.

All takes is one victory.

One victory will fucking...

It'll be the biggest thing to happen in the history of U.S.

politics since 2016.

By far.

I think it's possible.

I think it's very possible.

Now, to give you an idea of how ridiculous...

How ridiculous...

What the fuck is this?

Who's Chris Rab?

Who's Chris Rab?

Chris Rab is one the Democratic primary against his A-Pack-backed opponent.

How much was spent against

Chris Rab? Let's ask Rock.

How much money

did APEC

spend against Chris

Rab? Chris Rab.

Apparently they didn't spend they spent 2.6 million on ads in support for Stanford.

So they spent a total of 2.8 million.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure this guy's a huge threat to Israel.

He's such a threat to Israel that Apex spent

10 times less than they spent against Thomas Massey.

Because they don't give a shit,

because they know that this guy's going to get on his fucking knees

for the Democratic Party

for J Street where they're going to say Netanyahu is a very naughty boy

but we still defend the right of Israel to exist. In fact, let me look this up.

Does Chris Rab recognize Israel's right to exist?

Let me see.

I know it's an extreme tall order.

Yes, he has publicly stated

oh no.

Yes, he has publicly stated

he supports Israel's right to exist.

Okay.

He condemned

October 7th.

Yeah, this is a standard Democrat,

jibber-jabber fucking spineless nonsense.

It has nothing to do with an actual functionally...

I'm not talking about ideologically even.

I'm just saying, like, are you willing to literally slap Nancy, bitch Pelosi in the face proverbially, and kick Chuck Schumer in the nuts proverbially? Are you willing to just say fuck you to both of them and say

fuck Israel functionally like Thomas Massey

is functionally. Forget about ideology.

It's functionally speaking.

Are you going to disalign and break

with the Democratic Party fundamentally

and be like, you know what?

Fuck Biden.

Fuck Kamala.

You guys are fucking supporting a genocide.

I'm going to vote against you.

Doesn't Massey?

No, Massey, I'll tell you the difference between Massey and Chris Rab.

And I'm just going to guess here.

Thomas Massey is going to be a guy who says,

I want us to completely

cut foreign aid to

Israel and funding for Israel.

Shepson, what's up?

I bet you anything. Chris Rab is the type of guy who says,

I want to have humanitarian aid to the Jewish people of Israel who are, like he's got some fucking, let me see.

Does he support

cutting all aid to Israel?

Let's see.

It calls for ending

U.S. complicity in the genocide and economic support for fascists abroad.

Okay, this is a standard Democrat position.

He's pledged to cut off U.S. support aid to Israel over its actions in Gaza.

Okay, this is all vague, though.

Is he saying, though, we want not a single dollar?

Let me ask, let me find this.

What did he think about USAID?

What did he think about cutting USAID?

Let's see if he said anything.

Okay, well, I guess he doesn't say anything.

In interviews, discussions... Okay, so he does support non-military foreign aid.

Okay, so he supports USAID.

There you go.

He supports USAID.

He used Sudan as an example. There you go. He supports USAID. He used Sudan as an example. There you go. Okay.

So this is, I'm just saying like, what a victory this is. What a victory this is.

What a profound victory.

What a profound victory. What a profound victory.

Right?

What a profound victory when APEC is spending 10 times less to sabotage this versus, and you want to know the sickening thing?

This is what really sens me thomas massey

was isolated he isolated himself from the republican establishment fully cut himself off he got support

from nothing and no one else not a single where the

progressive Democrats besides Roe Conner

or whatever, right?

Lending their support from that's what I'm saying he's got

to break out of the Republican Party. You got to get out of the

Republican Party. You got to form a third party, right?

So this was pretty much rigging the form a third party, right? So,

this was pretty much

rigging the election, okay?

Now, who

else won their Democratic primary?

I want to see the whole primary results.

U.S.

primary results 2026.

Let's see.

Let's check together.

Okay, primary results by state.

We have a few of these.

Okay.

Um...

What the fuck is going on?

I don't know any...

Can someone explain to me the thing the ones that matter

Illinois how many okay you know what I'm just gonna ask rock

let's just use AI let's just ask rock okay

how many of the progressive democrats won the primary in primary in tonight's election.

This is good debt. Like, I genuinely am curious and want to know just for the sake of having a data point to use to be honest so let's see okay let's see, uh, the ones endorsed by Hassan Piker only.

Okay.

Because I don't, apparently they're going to qualify the meaning of progressive Democrat in, you know, Uh, only Chris Rab one.

Only Chris Rab one, out of all of them.

Uh, how about how many lost how many lost

so Chrisris rab won

Charles Booker is claimed to be a progressive

I don't know what that fucking means

and then summer lee

okay so it's interesting.

Chris Rab's the only one Hassan supported for tonight's primary, and he won.

Is Asan pushing the needle? I don't know.

That's what I wanted to figure out here. I don't know.

I don't know. It's too

Grock is being fucking retarded

and is not giving me

clear answers.

Let's check.

How how many democratic primaries were tonight fuck

like why is grok fucking with me

turn on expert mode six okay only six had primaries Fuck. Like, why is Grock fucking with me?

Turn on expert mode.

Six.

Okay, only six had primaries.

Now I understand.

Only six had primaries tonight. Okay.

Well, I guess it's too early to tell and have any kind of clear idea with respect to...

Look at this.

By the way, someone asked if that's Massey's same position.

Not true.

He's the only member of the House to vote against a resolution, affirming Israel's right to exist.

And that declares anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

And AOC, the bitch, voted yes.

Oh my God, look at this.

Recognizing that Israel's right to exist is a form of anti-Semitism.

Massey, nay, he voted against it.

The bitch.

AOC voted yes.

In the times we live, we got people trying to say that Democrats are more progressive and more left wing. They say the masses are not ready. But look at this shit. We got Massey.

He's voting no.

Allegedly right wing.

And here's AOC.

She uphold Israel's right to exist.

She say anti-Semitism and take the piss.

She is a bitch and all our Democrats.

They say the masses are not ready for change

tell me why these Republicans speak the voice of the people more effectively than the so-called left.

Holy fuck, they say, they keep saying,

oh, no, it's too radical, it's too radical.

Thomas fucking Massey is allegedly

right wing, and it's to the left of AOC on this

fucking issue.

That's why this was the most expensive congressional run in the history of this country.

The most expensive congressional primary since the founding of the USA.

That's why.

Holy fuck.

AOC is such a disgusting bitch.

Literally getting outflanked by MTV and Thomas Massey all the fucking time.

Oh, they're fascists.

They're fast.

Shut the fuck up, you fucking Mossad Zionist piece of shit.

You know how many retards I see? What am I looking at?

What am I looking at?

If it couldn't get worse,

a Democratic candidate, Ma, Marine Galindo, says she will convert

ICE detention center into an internry camp for American Zionists.

It will also be a castration processing center for pedophiles,

which will probably be most of the

Zionists. Hey, wait

a second. I take back what I said about

Democrats. This is the Democratic

candidate, Marine Galindo.

Thomas Massey, form

that third party and invite first Democrat you invite is Marine

Galindo, okay?

This is absolutely disgusting.

These bigoted garbage and anti-Semitism should be nowhere near our politics.

If you're in TX35,

vote Johnny Garcia.

And the donors behind the Republican Super

Pact funding her should be exposed.

What?

What?

What?

I have to make sure AOC actually said this because

bro I'm losing my fucking mind

I'm losing my mind

oh my God I'm losing my mind

I was so good faith to Hassan Piker.

It was crazy.

Over the past few days, I've been so good faith to him.

Bro, why am I being gaslit?

What the fuck is going on?

Why are people...

We're going to accept this?

Who is this speaking on behalf of...

Who is this speaking on behalf of? If I go to Kroger's right now

and talk to a random fuck and I go, yo, should we castrate Zionist pedophiles? They're going to be

like, fuck yeah, bro. They'll say worse.

So what?

When Hassan says,

uh,

we have to reach the masses where they're at.

Which masses does this speak for?

It speaks for,

it speaks for the bourgeoisie.

It speaks for the bourgeois.

The fucking professional bourgeois ass kissing, asskissing, ass-licking,

careerist, fucking subhuman Ku-lach filth, the

HR Kulaks. This is who it's

it speaks for such a degree of social

scum and filth.

Sigma with the five, what's up? can I speak for all of us when I say this

everyone boost the shit out of this

everyone boosts Everyone boost the shit out of this.

Everyone boosts this shit.

Let's try to ratio AOC.

Is it possible to, is it even possible I could ratio AOC?

Could this even happen? I feel like this is such a truth nuke.

Like, it's such a truth nuke.

Like, what else can we even fucking say here?

Right?

Just like a fucking truth nuke.

Such a truth nuke.

Let's just boost the shit out of this.

But understand the poetic justice.

You know, a man of South Lebanese Shia heritage.

Family of resistance, people down the line line people who were fighting in resistance before the 80s okay against Israel and this is what I'm saying to AOC this is what I'm saying to AOC this is what I'm saying to AOC. This is what I am saying to AOC.

That's my lineage.

That's my heritage.

Here I am in the USA.

This is what I say to AOC.

The disgusting Zionist bitch.

Everyone appreciate the poetic justice of it, honestly.

Honestly, appreciate the poetic justice of it.

Like, I have the vision to see this is a disgusting Zionist bitch. all the donors behind the Republican Super PAC fundingers should be exposed

you should burn in hell you nasty disgusting bitch that's what I say to you you should burn in hell, you nasty, disgusting bitch. That's what I say to you.

You should burn in the deepest pit of hell.

You disgusting, filthy bitch that you are.

You filthy, disgusting bitch, AOC.

AOC Shit, there's some shit even I can't say

AOC, if you're ever feeling moody or in a bad mood

Or like, you're just feeling like giving up

And life is really hard and like, you know.

If you ever feel like you're down and you're sad and you're wondering if you should,

you should. should you bitch

I hate her

no she's not bad at all actually

she fucking looks like a donkey

she's the most disgusting bitch ever

I fucking hate her

I hate AOC

I hate her

Straight up AOC literally

Go fuck yourself

You know

Literally disgusting

I have said

This provokes such a hatred in me.

I'm going to be honest.

Yeah,

you don't call me a hateful person.

I,

I do fucking hate this.

This is disgusting.

This big a,

who are you,

what masses are you representing

by saying this?

What masses do you represent by saying this shit?

You people say I'm misogynistic.

Call me misogynistic against aOC.

I hate misaocigenistic.

Whatever the fuck.

I do fucking hate that bitch.

Straight up, I hate her.

Like, I can't stand her.

Guilty is charged.

I hate AOC.

I fucking hate her.

It's hatred.

It's like there's some progressive

Democrats I think who could

be put into the third party. Not AOC.

This bitch is

irredeemable she's like

Hitler in my eyes I fucking hate her

like yikes

okay look at these

disgusting democratic socialists

I hope they got ratioed

100,000 views. 250 likes. Why are CIA linked leftist podcasters pushing MGT? Oh yeah. That's a yeah, the CIA. Oh oh yeah we're all retarded now the CIA wants to prop up

the AOC is such a threat to the CIA

Hi guys I'm a Democratic Socialist.

My name is Josh Cuckold.

Joe Cuck.

My name is Joe Cuckled.

And I live in this wholesome, retarded, delusional world

where AMC pushes

rainbows and sunshine and

Progressive Democrats, and then the CIA

is just this patriarchal,

bigoted man in a suit, smoking

a cigar who's like, I gotta stop

her! I gotta stop

these progressives and DSA people!

Oh, no, it's like, it's like, oh man, AOC1!

The CIA, it's like a, it's like a retro CIA guy from like the 60s from a fucking movie

with a cigar in his office.

He's like, it's like the guy from fucking Spider-Man, honestly, the news guy.

He's like, give me all the information you have on AOC.

We got to stop her from winning.

I hate the wholesome world that Joe Cuckold lives in.

I want to thwart it and undermine it.

Yeah, the real conspiracy all along

was that the CIA wanted

to stop wholesome

AOC from winning and wanted to

promote the bigoted politics of

MTG.

And that's the real conspiracy.

The real conspiracy is that the CIA really just does,

it's not on board with my vision of democratic socialist change, where we all go out in the streets and have a pride parade of democratic socialism.

That's so wholesome.

Come together, everyone.

Come together to make a change this guy

actually inhabits this he actually inhabits a world

where the CIA like there's a CIA officer slamming his desk like

we got to stop AOC

we got to stop the DSA

they're such a threat to the system

like as if the CIA is

so incompetent that all

this time the AOC phenomena

and the DSA phenomena

was happening at its expense it's's like, they're just like,

oh, man, they keep winning. How are they circumventing the most advanced system of

control of the world has ever seen. It must be because people like

Joe Cuckold are so intelligent and sophisticated.

No, no, no, it's even better.

No, no, hold on. I have a better one.

It's because Joe Cuckled, Gerald,

because people like Joe Cuckold are sitting here,

they're like, they're like,

they're like, you know why? The power of love.

The power of love is why.

Even the CIA can't stop it.

Come together.

Democrats.

It's like he actually lives in this world.

I'm so, you know why I'm a cruel man?

Because I can inhabit

other people's heads. I can inhabit

your head. I will put myself in your

shoes and live the world you live in and laugh at you.

Because seeing the world through your eyes is the fucking most hilarious thing.

That's how I amuse myself.

I amuse myself by putting myself

by having the eyes that Joe Cuckold has

and imagining I see the world that they see it as

and laughing myself to death because of how fucking retarded and pathetic

they are. How stupid, naive, retarded, and gullible, and pathetic they are.

It's like a child.

This person has a child's understanding of the world.

They genuinely, in their heart of hearts, are convinced

that all this time, the entire like AOC fandom and the DSA, like that has been happening under the noses of the CIA.

And the best thing the CIA could do to undermine this supposed threat to them is promote MTG and Tucker Carlson.

He genuinely thinks that. He thinks that when AOC won, the CIA like started scrambling.

Oh my God. Oh my God. This is a crisis. the CIA like started scrambling oh my god

oh my god this is a crisis

but because the democratic socialists kept marching

we stopped the CIA

hey you fucking retard

the only way to stop the CIA

like

if we got to half the size, can I say something?

The only way we get to 50% of the size of the DSA is if the U.S. isn't a state of civil war

functionally. I'm not going to lie to you.

Would I love it if we got

to 50K?

That's assuming their numbers

are right. But let's say, like, would I love it if

ACP could get to 50K

under the system, the most unprecedented and advanced system of control the world has ever

seen? Oh, I'd fucking love it. But I also understand, I know how the world works. The reason

we launch the ACP is because we're anticipating there's going to be a civil war.

Do you think we're so retarded so as to think you can, like, maintain this momentum under the system of control.

That is the most advanced the world has ever seen of controlling human thought and behavior.

It's never been this advanced.

So it's like the idea that AOC is not herself fulfilling the CIA's agenda.

The only way you can measure the progress on the side of the people versus the system is the way the system

is dysfunctioning see the CIA can consolidate and control and capture anything what they cannot

stop is entropy they can't stop systemic dysfunction they can't they can't They can't stop systemic dysfunction. They can't. They can't.

Massey, M.T., these are symptoms of systemic dysfunction. Right?

And now this retard is trying to fed jacket and say that CIA assets, oh my God, it's fucking crazy. But you know what?

This is not even the best part. I just want to tell you, like, I've been cooking and letting this simmer and savoring it.

I'm not, you think I was just going to like harp on about this so long just because of how retarded the opening is?

No, no, no.

No, no, no.

Guys, I have a treat for you.

Are you ready for this treat?

Are you ready for this treat?

Keep on Joe Kessold

Joe Cuckold

is maybe this is AI and it's a parody

I don't know

Joe Cuckold

he wrote this

right

Are you ready?

This is a DSA, like, Boy Scout,

Joe Cuckold, an actual, like, retard.

Genuine retard, right?

Okay, I want to show you something.

Are you ready?

Are you ready? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, by the way, fucking polls like this are fucking horseshit.

They're horseshit because when they're measuring the older boomer Democrats about their opinion on Israel, they're not taking into account liberal Zionism as a thing. They think that the only type of Zionism is the Netanyahu. That's not true. There are plenty of liberal Zionists who are unhappy and unfavorable toward what Israel is doing.

It doesn't make them less Zionist.

Anyway, I want to show you something.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not stalling.

I'm going to show you something.

Na, no, no, no, no, no.

Nah, na,

nah,

nah,

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh my god.

Oh, you guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. it's real

this is not a parody i was wondering if this is like an AI parody right

this is Larushism what does this even mean combining left-wing anti-imperialism with neo-nazzi inspired domestic elements

larusch criticized the iraq war on the grounds that it was driven by Israel,

which was created after the made-up Holocaust.

I didn't even know he denied the Holocaust.

That's news to me.

So they're claiming that all of this, so it like briana joy gray and the young turks bro

hassan piker if you're listening hassan which i think you're not maybe hassan piker this is karma

your uncle is now being called a part of the LaRouche conspiracy.

All of this because for a period of like one year,

you were entertaining the deranged rants of a retarded CIA agent crackhead or something,

who constantly accused us of being LaRouche

and oh that's plausible

this is like LaRouche

because me and Jackson

we linked up

with the Schiller people

for a conference one time

fucking sue me

we'll do a conference

with whoever we want

I'm like well 20 degrees of separation I'm like, well, 20 degrees of separation.

It's like, I don't, we don't give a fuck.

Who's looking into that?

We're not.

We don't give a shit.

You just did a conference.

Who fucking cares?

Anyway, and by the way, blame China too then, because China hosts those people all the time, right?

On CGTN.

But you know what?

I am delighting.

I just wish there was a way I could make money off this.

And I'll tell you why, because, like, they have this track record of accusing left-wing dissidents of being Lerushites, and the most prominent left-wing dissidents for a very long time, I would say for the past four years, has been our movement.

Jackson, infrared, Midwestern Marx came on board.

And then all they were doing is calling our tendency and our movement, LaRushism.

And it worked.

A lot of people bought into that.

But now, another wave of left-wing dissidents are emerging who have nothing to do with us, you know, and, you know, the young Turks people, and I don't know who else has mentioned

here, Brianna Joy Gray, I think, is that who it is? Leftist podcasters. Basically,

yeah, Brianna,

yeah,

here he is,

Brianna Joy Gray,

right?

They have nothing

to do with us.

So he's like,

I'm just going to hit

the La Roos button again.

Why is it

the La Roos button

working?

Because the first time around when it came to to Maga communism and our whole thing,

they were hitting the LaRouche button really fucking hard.

But they pressed that button one too many times, and they kind of broke the button, actually.

So now when people who have

nothing to do with us are arriving

at the same conclusions we did,

it's like the boy

who cried wolf. You can't keep hitting

this fucking button, the

LaRouche button, because

you hit it too many times

when you were trying to gatekeep

against us. Is everyone a LaRu-Ru-Site?

You're a LaRu-Site! He's a LaRoucite! She's the LaRoucite!

That's a LaRoucite!

Are we a LaRoucite? Where's the LaRoucite?

LaRosite there? Larusite there? LaRusite there.

LaRusite down.

LaRusite up.

LaRusite right.

LaRusite right left.

LaRusite south.

LaRusite north.

The LaRusite west.

LaRouche East.

Pretty East.

Beinian people put him in a fucking padded cell.

LaRouche is everywhere.

Lyndon LaRouche did one thing... Lindon LaRouche literally...

He destroyed...

He destroyed the brain of like some coked out millennial who then inspired a bunch of fucking cuckolds

to confidently accuse all people disillined with the Zionist Democrats of being LaRushites. It's fucking crazy.

It's actually fucking crazy, actually.

Like, what the fuck? it's actually

fucking crazy

yeah, uh, I want to show you a Yeah.

I want to show you another nothing burger.

ACP and shambles.

This post is getting a so...

Oh, my God!

Oh, my God!

ACP and Lentervo! $20,000! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! ACP and Litter Firmal!

$20,000!

Oh, my God!

This is another one of these

Astro-Turfed, fake-botted tweets

about ACP.

ACP, why are we in shambles?

Let's see.

Victory, for the first time,

the Supreme People's Court of China has prohibited discrimination based on sexual

orientation, gender identity, and gender expression and judicial proceedings.

Okay.

Let's pretend this is true. Let's like, let's like, uh, like, like, let's just like consume copious amounts of copium and just assume this is true, right, without even investigating.

Okay.

Well, isn't that already in the ACP's constitution? So if

this headline is allegedly true,

it proves that China

was more conservative

than the ACP was two years ago

because two years later China is recognizing

something the ACP constitution already does. Why would we be in shambles? If it was true,

why would we be in shambles, right? Okay. But to crush the dreams of these people, it's actually fake news.

This was not a judicial proceeding. It was a reply from one of the research offices to an inquiry.

It's not a prohibition.

It's not a new ruling.

Okay.

Because somebody privately asked them about whether a rule that was already in place is still in place.

And they just go, the PR office is saying, yeah, discrimination is not allowed.

And it's not a policy shift.

Already China prohibits laws against the discrimination of its citizens on the grounds of characteristics that are private and so on and so on.

So the text is a response from the Supreme Court of China to a citizen's suggestion.

It's not a judicial prohibition with binding force, and it's not an official decision. It literally means nothing. If you just translate this and see what it says, it means nothing. So no, this headline is wrong.

They, for the first time, this is nonsense, okay?

Discrimination and stuff on any of these lines.

And by the way, this has nothing to do with transgenderism.

This is about discriminating against people for being women or men or whatever, right?

By the way, it applies both ways in China.

They don't just do one way.

But in any case, you know, they do ban bullying and discrimination across the board

and they have

and there's nothing new about it.

Why would we be in shambles?

Like, why would we be in shambles

about some shit?

That is not even true.

They're going to say China has been

taken over by neoliberals.

Like they do with Cuba.

You know, China doesn't even have gay marriage

like what are you fucking talking about Cuba had this crazy family code

which was the most unpopular referendum they ever had in their history

meanwhile China doesn't even have gay marriage.

What are you coping about?

I don't understand what you're coping.

They don't even have gay marriage.

Like, what the literal fuck are you even talking about? also the idea that the

also I want to say one last thing on this very boring fucking stupid topic

the idea that this means China tolerates

the various perverse

like hypersexual

culture that you see online

from these furries

and all these fucking...

No, they fucking don't.

They really don't.

It doesn't matter.

China doesn't...

China absolutely doesn't matter. China doesn't. China absolutely

doesn't. The Chinese

government very much looks down

on that shit and always

will. The idea that this is like

somehow a vindication of the extremely

terminally online porn brained

and before, oh, you're just being bigoted. No, I'm fucking of the extremely terminally online porn-brained.

And before, oh, you're just being bigoted. No, I'm fucking not.

You look at the timeline of these type of people.

It's like furry porn.

It's all this explicit, disgusting, hypersexual shit.

China has nothing and will never have anything to do with those subcultures, okay?

In any official capacity, at least.

So, no, this is not a validation of these terminally online weird.

And it doesn't even matter if you're whatever your sexuality is leftists tend to have

this really disgusting just very hypersexual online culture right and the idea they're

probably they're probably yeah they say that this is just about LGBT, whatever.

Like, look at the fucking bio of this person.

Like, what the fuck are they even talking about?

Right? You think that this is like

China's validating that somehow and

validating these like hypersexual

online mannerisms.

They're like, no.

It's literally, first of all,

there's nothing new about it.

It's not an official ruling.

Second of all,

even if it was, we already prohibit discrimination in our own constitution. There's a far cry. There's a difference between prohibiting discrimination and

tolerating lewd, obscene, hypersexual displays in public that pride braids, for example, you see at those, I think, are so they say, right?

And if I'm wrong about that, I'll take it back. But that's what everyone says.

Like, uh, let's fucking get real. when why why would he be in shambles you know you come at us we're gonna just fucking knock you out ten times different ways knocking you out onto the ground

how are we in shambles even if it was true, our Constitution already prohibits

discrimination. Second of all, it's not even true. So in every way you try to attack our party,

you're going to get curbstomped proverbially and humiliated.

Like what a stupid fucking...

These people don't even have any dignity.

They don't even value their own existence.

They're like, yeah, I am a fucking useless stupid subhuman retard.

Yeah, I tried to commit suicide 23 times in my life.

Yeah, I hate my life.

I know I'm useless.

And it's like, can we just, can we have communists that actually have dignity and like, have

honor and like care about having some business to stand on.

You do with these fucking weird people,

they're like, yeah, I do hate myself.

You're right.

I am useless.

Yeah, you're right.

I am suicidal.

You're right.

It's like, Jesus Christ,

can we have some people that like actually value like not fucking being

like you have some fucking honor

that's what I always say where's the honor

if you're gonna live have honor If you're going to live, have honor.

If you're not going to have honor,

you know what I mean? No, I'm straight up that strict.

It's like, if you continue

breathing on this earth, I don't care if you hate yourself,

I don't care if you're depressed, I don't give a fuck.

I don't care if you're fucking depressed and hate yourself i actually don't fucking care if you continue insisting

on breathing and sharing living you continue living then have some fucking honor and integrity and

sincerity. Have some morals.

Have some honor. Have some integrity.

That's the price of life.

If you cannot muster

the backbone and the

integrity to have those things,

why are you still living?

Straight up.

No, yeah, I'm going to say that.

Yeah, I am going to fucking say that.

Because Iranians are willing to fucking die,

put their life on the line for honor.

Hasbalah and Lebanon.

How many of them

martyr themselves because they don't want to

live an honorless life? So why the

fuck am I going to look at these leftists who have no

honor and be like, no, no, yeah, you should keep living

like this? No. The price of

life is honor, it's dignity,

its integrity. It's not for free. If you don't have those

things, I don't value your life. I'm not going to tell you to just keep

on, keeping on. No, I'm not. I'm going to tell you, make a fucking decision.

Because the more you continue living without

having any kind of moral

guidance in your life, the more you are a

cancer and a poison to the rest of the world.

I will fucking say that without any hesitation.

You want to keep living?

I don't care if you hate yourself and you feel bad for yourself and you're depressed and

all this fucking bullshit.

Don't give a fuck.

You want to keep living?

Live with some fucking honor.

Live in a moral way.

If you're unwilling to do that,

if you're unwilling to value basic honesty,

value honesty,

value integrity.

Honesty is the most important one, by the way.

Sincerity, honesty.

Treat people in good faith treat treat the humanity of other people in good faith give people the benefit of the doubt be merciful to people right by default i mean not everyone i'm saying by default right

defend the record of your existence defend the record of your existence

defend the record of a life that's worth human

human existence right

um

when you have to weigh between what's true and what's easy always choose truth what's right versus what's easy always choose what's right.

That's the price of living.

That's the price of living.

See, these people who hate themselves and don't even value their own existence,

these are the people who act like the most demonic twisted scum to others because they don't even value themselves.

Somebody who doesn't even value or respect themselves.

How do you expect them to be anything less than a fucking animal,

wild animal, to others. The manifesto of the San Diego shooter

They will say it's the government, the elite, the rich, capitalists.

There's a chance this guy was in my replies attacking me all the time.

Honestly, there's a chance this shooter was in my replies.

Like attacking me. I'm not even kidding.

Guarantee if you find their ex, they attack me at least once.

All of them can be...

I'm losing track of all these different groups.

It's the Jews.

Why did you attack a Muslim center if it's the Jews or whatever?

I don't understand.

It's always been the Jews.

I guess we're the true Jews, Muslims. We're the true Jews. We, I guess

we're the true Jews, Muslims. We're the true Jews.

What the fuck is this?

The attack? I don't fucking know i have no fucking way that they're actually

they're celebrating

pro-Israel Americans are proud to help defeat

anti-Israel candidates

being pro-Israel is good policy

and good politics.

Yeah, that's a message

to AOC and all the other politicians.

Nick is wild in here

Oh my God

That's just a crazy ass thing to say

Hey look

It's not it's not necessarily something I would say but Hey, look.

It's not necessarily something I would say, but I'm not going to attack him for it.

I'm not going to criticize him for it, you know, given the context.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, you want to know the number one cause of anti-Semitism is shit like this.

Just to be honest.

Number one cause of

anti-Semitism is this.

This is fucking crazy.

Yeah, we own your politics.

We're going to just

move the needle.

Like, what, okay,

there's going to be no backlash against this all right

sure

A pack tracker let's see Uh, okay.

Summerlee and Charles Booker took no A-PAC money.

Okay. APEC money, okay.

Did he attack AOC? I didn't see. I'm trying to look for it. I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, they attacked Maureen Galindo.

Where?

Who is Maureen Galindo, by the way?

Ty, what's up?

With the five.

Marine Galindo. Who is Marien Galindo Who is

Maureen Galindo?

Hold on

Cheryl Stanley, what's up, man?

Appreciate you.

Democratic Congressional candidate in your district.

Who is this?

Who is this?

I need to find more

information.

Marine

Galindo responds to

Hassan Piker.

Oh God.

Hassan Piker is becoming super fucking relevant in U.S. politics.

Popular.

Like he's straight up is.

He's like the last sheepdogger into the Democrats.

If Hassan ever flips, it's over for Democrats.

This Twitter,

Twitch,

live streamer,

went in a deep dive

on me, on my anti-Zionism

on his page.

And I just hope that he saw that almost everybody in

San Antonio agrees with me. And it's not because

we're anti-Ju. Hey, hey, to be fair, I did say she might be perfect for San Antonio.

Oh, I believe her.

I'm just saying, not for me, okay?

Not for, I don't live in San Antonio

I don't want to be a carpet bagger I don't want to

touch this race okay

I think she might be right bro

no I that's my suspicion as well

bro bro

what if she wins?

Okay, I'm going to tell you something.

If Marine Galindo wins,

I will take back the thing I said about

all Democrats being irredeable.

I'll be like, look,

we still need to form the third party,

but we will invite Marine Galindo in.

If she wins.

If she wins.

Like, all she has to do is just keep doubling down.

She's like, literally, she's like...

Does not mean

I want Jews in internment.

This is what I mean.

When I say there is a pipeline

of like liberal to based,

this is the pipeline.

This is the pipeline.

That's what I've always...

When I talked about how, actually, there's still a pipeline from liberals to being based, this is what I'm talking about.

I've always been talking about this.

So why am I getting a whole bunch of death threats and MAGA insult, which actually

makes sense I realize. Like MAGA and Jewish Zionists apparently are the exact same people.

They talk the exact same way, and that's because Maga is

developing Christian Zionists.

That's how they want to create a religion state in the United States

of America is through Maga, which that's the goal of Zionism, is to create

these white supremacist religion states.

So like I don't care what religion you are.

If you are a Zionist, meaning that you believe that you are just entitled to land or someone's just entitled to land based off of religious beliefs and that you'll kill all of the Semites for it.

And yeah, I think that you're a danger to humanity and belong in prison, especially if you have

the political and economic resources to make that happen.

And that's how we would, that's how we will get all of the billionaires, Zionists in prison, is through all of the business.

I'm running for United States Congress in San Antonio and South Texas region.

And Carn City Detention Center and Ice Facility is...

This is an anti-ice liberal leftist who's like becoming extremely based.

That's what I'm saying. You can't shut the door on any, on any pipeline, all right?

She is pretty fucking based if she's genuine if she's genuine she's fucking based and i support her wholeheartedly if marine galinda is genuine because I don't know

who she is. I don't know anything about her.

If she's genuine,

I fucking support her

fully, unconditionally.

Like, I hope she wins, and I hope she disrupts the Democratic Party from within as much as possible.

Let's read Nick Cruz's tweet.

The U.S. left failed the global majority. Couldn't stop the genocide in Gaza, couldn't stop the economic starvation in Cuba, kidnapping a Maduro

war with Iran and slaughter of

countless schoolchildren, haven't been

able to provide anyone with health care.

But if you were to talk to DSA and their

professional managerial class left, they act

extremely smug as if they've accomplished something.

Yeah, that's what I always want to

ask. What the fuck have they accomplished?

Oh, we got, Maldani, you knew it. What the

fuck does that do? How does that help

anyone do anything? What does that even do?

Mom Dani is...

Well, Mdani's successors are going to promote socialism. No, we're not! Mombani needed a fucking bailout!

From New York State!

He took, what, $5 billion?

You know how easy that is to turn into a he took what $5 billion?

You know how easy that is to turn into a fucking right-wing talking point

to nuke the credibility of socialism

in this country forever?

They have an unearned sense of superiority to anyone advocating for the left in the U.S. do something.

They working on shifting the Overton window while building nothing,

and the worst part is the progressive left sees nothing wrong with this.

In fact, they continue to pat themselves on the back all the time while lecturing working class people who dare challenge their failed strategy of operating in a

genocide party.

They think success is watching their favorite streamers like Piker becoming millionaires.

U.S. left is complete trash.

Amen to that. Literally. Amen to that.

Literally. Amen to that. Straight up.

No, it's so fucking true. Hold on what?

Can I?

What's going on?

Important work

exposing the NACE Important work.

Exposing the nascent red-brown alliance.

And he's like, oh my God, bruh.

What's the joke?

Is he, if it's a parody... Oh if it's a parody oh it is a parody wait it is a parody right

this account is funded by the national endowment for democracy

ah but you know what?

They're probably like a parapolitics guy that hates us, right?

There's no way they're based.

They probably hate us.

Do they hate us?

Ha ha ha ha ha. Bro, I'm not gonna lie, there, he's funny.

I don't, okay, he probably fucking, I'm gonna, I don't wanna, like, look into what he said about us

because then I'm gonna hate him.

He goes,

hey, the Cabernacle. I've enjoyed your

videos, but I have to push back

on the Graham-Platner left.

Why not the

Social Democratic left who came of age

during the Obama

during the Obama administration.

That said, we're all hoping that Gavin Newsom will get the nomination.

Bro, this guy's irony posting.

He's like the Joe Kesskold guy.

Oh my God, you guys can't see it.

How do you guys not find this shit

fucking hilarious?

I'm dying.

Bro, he's baiting

Hassan Piker.

He's baited Hassan Piker. He's baited Hassan Piker.

Hi, comrade.

I typically enjoy your advocacy,

but you clearly know very little about L.A. politics.

I don't think you should be using your platform to opine publicly like this.

Bro, what?

Bro, he's baiting everybody.

Even I got baited. Oh. Bro, who is this guy?

Hey, the cavernacle.

I've enjoyed your videos, but I have to push back on your latest upload about Israeli tourists.

Why single out Israeli conscripts who go on vacation and not, for example, South Korean?

Was this been needed when anti-Semitism is rising in the West? Ha ha ha ha. The Kepernacle guy fucking hates us.

He like, he's like, I'm British guys like,

Jackson Hinkle is a, I don't even know what he said. Will you tech fear Piker? No.

Even though, you know, he's actually fucking...

He's getting so emotional about us.

Let me show you some shit.

To my ACP friends, Asan Piker, is not your friend.

Do not be fooled.

So he's liking tweets that are calling us CIA, even though he knows we're not.

All right, look, you want to know why Piker is doing this?

He's gotten pissed off about us because so many of you have been attacking him over his Democrat sheepdogging and he feels betrayed. He says, well, the left flank keeps attacking me. And then he also wants to pin the blame on us because his real left flank,

his left liberal flank,

I should say, is attacking him.

Also bad empanhas attacking him.

He's feeling a lot of pressure.

And he would love to kind of just be like, let's just blame acp so you know it's

like you know hasan pike or it's like the katy perry song you're hot and you're cold you know

he just can't make his mind up about the acp it It's like the Katie Perry song, you know?

Because you're hot and you're cold.

You're yes, then you're no.

You're in, then you're out.

You're up, then you're down.

This is, I think this is an emotional lashing out type of thing he is genuine because he is

actually say we say we love on he's genuinely like actually like upset and uh you know

why am i not going to tech fear him?

I'll tell you why I don't take fear him.

Because I think maybe he could come around eventually, maybe, you know.

It would be very awkward and strange for him to do that in a way.

Because it would be like, you know, he's died on this hill for so long. Suddenly he's pivoting.

But it's like...

I don't know.

I think...

I don't know, guys.

I am a very intuitive person.

Admit it's because he's a Middle Eastern man who goes to the gym.

It's not even that. It's even more parochial and, like, ethnic.

It's because I found out he's in Olavi.

Actually, I'm going to ask Grock.

If he's not Olivy, then fuck him.

Then he can burn in hell.

Is Hassan Pikes...

Is Hassan Piker-A-Lavi dissent?

No!

He's not!

Why did Chachibizi tell me he is?

All right, he can go to hell.

He's not Al-Avi.

The only thing, the only thing, I thought he was Kislebaugh, he's not.

There are no credible elements. He of alibi descent oh my god

so he's not all right he gets no affirmative action for me anymore that's the end of that no no affirmative action for me anymore. That's the end of that.

No more affirmative action.

Maybe he is, though.

His name is Hassan.

Could he be Alavi?

Hold on.

Could he be Alavi?

Let's ask, could he be?

He could, but it's highly unlikely.

Parental side, they were, they existed, but not dominant killis is not a core elevy region it's more associated with okay he's not olivy oh my god what the fuck

all right no more affirmative action

no more affirmative action all right

no in all seriousness, it's, uh... It's intuition.

Let's just say it's intuition.

Let's just say, okay, how about I just say this?

I'm a very...

Mystically inclined person.

And, uh, I have certain types of information that suggests

Pikeer might eventually be won over.

Not a guarantee,

but

there are

certain

predictions.

I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm a very intuitive person.

It makes sense to me that this could happen.

And I have also...

I have reason to believe it is possible.

See, for example,

you guys need understand how I move.

This is how I move.

Like, for example, Nick Fuentes.

The reason why, when I first talked to Nick Fuentes for one time and then never again,

there was the time where I would talk to Zirka and then Zirka just brought him and I didn't

even know he was going to be there.

And, you know, I had to maneuver and, you know, be diplomatic because I had no pretext for war at the time.

I would have debated him when I had no pretext to go to war with him.

And I am a fair person. I don't just declare war without a sufficient pretext.

But in any case, I immediately knew that war was inevitable.

I knew it.

Day one, I knew it was inevitable.

I said, okay, this guy, Nick Fuentes, eventually there's going to be a massive confrontation.

I knew it.

And that's why I never, I had all these opportunities to get so much clout, collaborate again, yada, yada, yeah, yeah. Never. I said he's bad news.

And, um, I just did my own thing. I was like, this guy's bad news. So I have these like

intuitions

there's also other indicators and stuff

that I'm not going to even talk about

because

you know

I don't like having to justify

and explain to myself

that I'm this mystical person

and shit

shit works for me.

But I think it could make sense that Hassan Piker eventually does join in an alliance with us.

Eventually.

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe not.

Could he sustain a war?

Could Hassan Piker go to war with us? No.

Do I think Hassan Piker would want a war with us?

No.

I don't. I can clothe. would want a war with us. No.

I don't.

I can clock him very accurately as someone who would not be interested in that

because

he is not fundamentally

against us, fundamentally.

He attacked first.

Hassan's Pikers' crimes against us

are very casual, reckless dismissals.

They are things of that nature.

But is there a fundamental antagonism from his side? No.

Actually, that's why his whole stick is that he thinks the fundamental antagonism is coming from us.

And this is his way of, quote, unquote, defending himself.

Are you talking about Nick Fuentes?

Yeah.

Predigters son will be like Trotsky because he's a flipper.

Um... he's a flipper. Um, I struggle to hate Hassan Piker.

It's very difficult for me to hate him.

I think that the worst crime he can be accused of is ignorance and in some cases empty-headedness but malicious dishonesty is not really malicious dishonesty i haven't experienced that yet maybe that could he doesn't strike me as this

conniving, you know

you know how you know

he's not a conniving, maliciously

dishonest person? Because

he does yell and get

angry. He does

visibly get angry. He does visibly get angry.

It kind of reminds me of myself in ways,

you know, sometimes. He gets

angry. He loses his temper. He actually

fucking gets pissed. He wants

to confront the things that piss him off directly head on.

He doesn't, I haven't seen the eunuch-like maneuvering from him.

He has eunuchs on his side who maneuver on his behalf for certain, but I don't see the eunuch-like maneuvering

from him. I do see there are moral shortcomings. I see there are all sorts of shortcomings,

but are they enough to inspire hatred from me?

No.

I think he's severely misguided, and I think he is very, uh, he's missing the ball, so to speak.

You know, he just

doesn't really get it.

...trial treatment through DEI

and affirmative action at the expense of white and Asian

American. Social economic conditions is a cope

and everyone knows it. Yes. Correct.

I mean, this is

the Elon Musk style.

No, they are genetically inferior

and socioeconomic

conditions are a cope.

They are.

It's a fact.

Of course, we're going to be watching this video as well

from the birdman

the birdman right

financial treatment through DEI and affirmative action

at the expense of white and Asian Americans

socioeconomic conditions is a cope and everyone knows it

yes correct I mean this is

the Elon Musk style.

No, they are genetically inferior.

And socioeconomic conditions are a cope.

They are.

It's a fact.

Oh, I read that as a set.

Okay, to be fair, I want to say...

Because that's fucking crazy.

I think what he's saying is...

He's saying the socioeconomic conditions are a cope.

Is he saying they are to the genetically inferior thing?

That would be fucking crazy if he was.

But,

because I heard it the first time,

I was like, what the fuck?

And then I'm listening to his second time and I'm like,

I mean, this is the Elon Musk style.

No, they are genetically

inferior and

socioeconomic conditions are a cope.

They are.

Maybe he's talking about

the cope part? I don't know.

That's fucking crazy

it's a fact

of course we're gonna be watching

this video as well

that's fucking crazy

you know I would say

you know oh you know

free speech yadaech, yada, yada, yada, yada. But Asman Gold has called for

Hassan Piker to be deplatformed over alleged support for terrorism, which means he wants

me to be de-platformed because I do actually say Hamas are based openly.

And then Asman Gold has also, you know, he supported U.S. military actions in Venezuela, and so fuck him, basically, you know.

And don't give a shit

don't give a shit

if he gets deep platformed

uh he was chilling

he's just games he's whack now

yeah I mean he's fucking retarded. They're all

retarded.

Like, he's officially

like, gay, but in a non-homophobic

sense, but he's officially, like,

fucking cringe.

Because, um... officially like fucking cringe because um

you know

he is like denouncing

oh there's terrorism

bro shut the fuck up

fuck are you talking about

all of the support for terrorism.

He'd been trying to break into the establishment

his whole life.

He's finally making inroads there.

I don't see how he would abandon his life's work

for an explicitly communist org.

Okay.

You guys, okay, I've explained this many, many times.

Hassan Piker eventually might join with us or in a coalition with us.

Not because he's going to abandon his current trajectory for us that's retarded

that will never happen i understand that but what's going to happen is that what's going to

potentially happen is that he fails to break into the establishment

because he's died on the hill of positions that the Democrat mainstream will ultimately judge as too radical.

He will be kicked out of the Democratic Party and then decide and realize that we do have to build something from scratch

and he will potentially recognize the ACP as

once you break with the Democrats you're basically with the ACP

you know and he'll be like fuck it the Democrats, you're basically with the ACP, you know?

And he'll be like, fuck it, the ACP were right.

You know, that could be like one of the scenarios

where he at least starts to promote us more, you know?

But the moment the Democrats kick him out, that's going to be the...

Yeah, I mean, of course he's going to do everything he can.

Also, you understand, from his point of view...

I'll tell you, Hassan Pikers' point of view.

Pikers' point of view is basically that he's under attack within the

Democratic Party by centrist and by people to his right and that he doesn't want to abandon the

battle. He wants to continue because he feels like this is a war, it's a battle

and he has a chance

of winning it or something

and he'll have to learn the hard way

how it really works.

So it's actually, can I tell you guys,

be happy Hassan is so openly getting involved in politics now.

Because the more he digs his feet into the Democratic Party, and the more he's going to have to maintain his track record of all the radical shit he's ever said in positions he's held,

the more eventually he's going to have to break with the Democrats. They're going to force him out.

Piker will be forced out of the Democrats. They're going to force them out. Piker will be forced out of the Democratic Party.

And this was never possible until now.

Because up until now, he was just

a commentator. Up until now, all he was

fucking doing was

commentating. Now he's

getting involved. He's getting

involved. He's going to learn how it works from the ground.

You know? That's my prediction. Piker is eventually going to realize

the error of his ways. I also think this is retarded.

Vivek who is hated on X1,

Massey, who has loved on X, lost.

Politics on X is just not reality.

I disagree, because I think that the electorate for the primaries

is just not representative of

the potential electorate.

It's just that simple.

Now, why in the

fucking world would my camera freeze

at this moment at this time?

I mean, like what the fuck is going on? yeah i disagree

i know a lot of people say this shit it's just not true

like if you put it if you get something new and energetic

and yeah you know

you gotta you gotta have the right electorate.

You can't just put yourself in a Republican or Democrat silo.

You got to cut across the bipartisan lines.

If you want to win the ex-populous demographic, you have to cut across partisan lines 100%.

You can't just confine yourself to registered Republican boomer pedophiles.

You just can't.

You know how I'm going to tuck fear?

Every fucking senile...

Televangical victim, mind slave victim.

I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede, and it took a while to find Ed Gowryne in Tel Aviv.

I did get the call for you. I have called and conceded the race. We've been honorable the whole time, and we're going to stay that way.

I would have come. Wee-e-e-e-e-e-e-o----------------------------------------------------------. Congressional election! congressional election

Let's see what it looks like to win in congressional election?

Let's see what it looks like to win a congressional election.

Fuck it!

You want to see what it looks like to win a congressional election?

Amila, what the fuck? What's up with the 10?

What's going on? Amila, appreciate you.

This guy, this guy fucking always shitting on us, attacking us.

You want to see what it looks like to win a congressional...

Talking about a Democrat.

This guy got too excited in the moment. So it's ACP or it's just this Democrat tap dancing.

Holy shit.

It's just like so embarrassing.

Oh, apparently we're LARPers and that's like, that's real.

That's real revolutionary praxis. The country.

The president has done very effectively.

Going back 10 years in his leadership

of the Republican Party in the country

as president of the United States, as he said, you know,

I want people who fight

for... I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done.

I mean,

it's early. It's too soon to tell. But God, it's early.

It's too soon to tell.

But God damn it!

Fuck you!

Fuck you!

Democratic primary voters!

Fuck you!

Ah!

What? what what the hell is going on it's 3% i know i don't need what 3% where oh 3% of the votes in that means 5,3,317 Kentucky primary voters were like oh my God Amy McGrath? That's awesome.

Let's see who won.

Oh, Booker won.

Ah, Booker 1. Ah, Booker 1.

Huh.

That was the Senate primary.

All right, guys, ones if you remember when I made the prediction that progressive Democrats were going to fucking win big time.

Remember when I made that prediction?

Who remembers?

Yep. Remember when I said that?

Pretty interesting. Yep, remember when I said that?

Pretty interesting.

I did say that.

I did say that.

Yes, I did say that.

Yes, I did say it.

Yes, I did predict it.

Yes, I did say it.

And y'all were not paying attention when I said that shit.

Y'all were yawning and we're fucking getting bored and shit.

I was going on this whole spiel.

And y'all were like, Haas, come on.

Why don't you just keep yelling and shit?

Bro, I predicted that shit with precision.

I thought Jennifer was going to dictate this stream.

I know.

What would happen?

Next stream.

We... I don't even think Jennifer's here I think Jennifer's here

I think Jennifer is not here

because she's like

I don't want to have to plan

Haza's stream

I don't want this pressure to plan Haas's stream. I don't want this pressure.

She's going to take a break.

Jennifer is here, but she's been hiding.

You see, she's been hiding.

I knew it because it's like saying the next stream is yours to decide.

It's also kind of like a form of work you're just imposing on someone you know

uh

I'm retweeting

my based tweeting

my base tweet

I hope

I hope I hope what if I do ratio AOC?

What if I ratio AOC?

How sick would that be?

If I ratioed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Are you afraid China will liberalize?

No.

I'm afraid that if... Here's what I'm afraid of. I'll tell you what I'm afraid of, all right?

What I'm afraid of is that if China forgets the founding revolutionary mission. If the next generation passes, or when the next

generation passes, and the new generation is not sufficiently spiritually prepared

because currently there

are people who are alive now who remember

the long march. Okay?

If the memory

of China's revolutionary history

is not properly, the torch is not passed to the next

generation is the right way

what will happen is not that China

will liberalize it will

balkanize

and that's what you have to

be scared of

the USSR didn't liberalize it That's what you have to be scared of.

The USSR didn't liberalize.

It balkanized.

That's the thing you have to be scared of. Always. always now there's something I want to talk about. Um, okay, so...

I find myself in such a strange position.

I'm just so misunderstood.

I'm just so misunderstood, honestly.

People think I'm a sectarian ideologist.

I'm not.

I'm never been a sectarian ideologist.

I've always been firm about where I fucking stand. In fact, the majority of all

Marxist ideologists in America and in the West and online and on the internet, sometimes we pay

homage, we pay tribute to the Jason Unruz and the Fin Bowls and we shouldn't because those people fucking didn't do anything

that's right majority of Marxists online are fucking Pharisees.

They're gatekeeping Pharisees.

They are gatekeeping Pharisees.

And my position is so complicated and complex.

Because, you know, when Bernie had that populist movement, the left-wing populist momentum in 2015, 2016, my position was not, oh, oh you know this is not the true

communism this is no my position was

the momentum

needs to be taken forward it needs to be

radicalized forward

not ideologically Like Hassan keeps

straw manning us. Well, in order to educate people about Leninist theory, mind you, the Bolsheviks

did not lead through

theoretical

Marxist education

first

they led with

peaceland and bread

peasants

were still

fucking doing

pogg

the Red Army

peasants

still were

doing pogroms

they still were like, yeah, we

fucking hate Jews and shit. But they

were still fighting for the Bolsheviks and in the

Red Army. The mass

movement that the Bolsheviks led

was not one where everyone was educated

about Marxist theory.

But it was a movement.

It was a revolutionary movement that the Bolsheviks alone gave leadership to.

And it's like, to me, Marxist gatekeepers,

Marxist gatekeepers have always retarded the movement.

They've always just

put these ideological terms

and conditions on it,

crucifying it on the cross

of some ideology

that doesn't even fucking exist.

Like when Hassan goes,

most of the masses still self-ide with liberalism,

or they still self-ide with social democracy.

Why are we pretending an ideology is in command of any of this shit?

Don't reduce anything to an ideology, except the logic of a shit. Don't reduce anything to an ideology.

Except the logic of

a mass yearning for

something new.

Except the logic of a mass

uprising.

Don't reduce it to an ideal.

Don't reduce it to any ideology ideology it's not speaking the language of some internet online larp identity the pharisees they're putting us in this prison of ideology where every fucking step, every breath

the masses take has to be

stamped with the mark of some comprehensive

ideological principle.

But the truth is,

the masses speak a different language

than the language of bourgeois

intelligentsia. They speak a different language. There's a different language than the language of bourgeois intelligentsia. They speak

a different language. There's a different

logic that's in command

of the development of mass

politics.

And

the whole point

of Lenin and Leninism was to break out of the pharicitical social Democrat, Orthodox Marxism, and open the door to the hungry revolutionary masses.

That's what Lenin did in October.

And Marxism, Leninism, was supposed to be testament to the fact that Marxism is a living science.

You know?

That these Pharisees, these Kotsky's and others, these fucking gatekeepers.

Stalin called him Talmudis, for the record.

They have no authority to dictate the terms and conditions of the development of the revolutionary process or of how Marxism must adapt across New Ages.

And it's like Marxism, Leninism, to me, was the invasion from the future of a completely different principle of Logos than the Eurocentric kind of classical modern metaphysics, Anglo-Saxon metaphysics,

which the Orthodox Marxists

time and time again have always tried

to reduce Marxism too.

A ceiling of

metaphysics and dogmatism.

And it's like Marxism, Leninism

is the opening from the future, a chasm in time itself,

to a kind of schizophrenic, memeological, unconscious dimension that is far more profound than can be contained by an ideology

Marxism-Leninism is a symptom of a more fundamental and radical opening to the absolute the reason why Marxism

Leninism sounds complicated Marxism Leninism Mao Zedong thought all these different

addendums to the fundamental core principle are the fact of this eclecticism is a symptom of the fact that in some sense,

Marxists have conceived the original principle wrongly.

They have conceived it ideally, beginning with Orthodox Marxism and social democracy.

They have comprehended it metaphysically. They've anglo-boxed it, so to speak. And Marxism, Leninism, represented an escape from this box. But how Westerners interpreted Marxism Leninism is that they just made it a bigger box. But how Westerners interpreted Marxism-Leninism is that they just made it a bigger box. The way Marxism-Leninism expanded the horizon of Marxism, fundamentally revolutionizing

it, right? It was like an expansion of the horizon out of the box of Orthodox Marxism.

But in the West, what did they do?

They just made the box bigger, but nonetheless a big box.

And so they became these gatekeepers.

They turned Marxism, Leninism, into Orthodox Marxism 2.0. You know who the biggest bastard criminals, the most guilty, corrupt Antichrist

scum

in today's world

who do this, the Greeks,

the Communist Party of Greece,

the leadership of that party.

They have turned Marxism-Leninism

into a type of

metaphysical idealism.

They have confused principle

for idealism.

And

Lenin tried to break out

of the prison of Orthodox Marxism. What they have done in turn and restore the status of Marxism as a living science. And what the Communist Party of Greece and other Western Marxist Leninists do, doesn't matter. Whatever sect they belong to, doesn't matter. They try to reconstruct this prison using the very things that expanded Marxism as reinforcement of its walls to make the prison even stronger so to speak these people have not

contributed to anything anything to history nothing they've contributed nothing

the communist party of Greece

got outflanked by Ceresa

just a decade ago

Chavismo happened

that had nothing to do with Western

Marxism, Leninism.

And in America, these people have fucking done nothing and accomplished nothing.

They're just fucking gatekeepers trying to impose special terms and conditions upon mass politics and revolution.

They don't understand Lenin.

They don't comprehend anything about the nature of revolutionary change on objective terms.

They are metaphysicians and idealists.

This dude hates the Greeks.

I actually don't hate them.

I just hate...

I hate the Communist Party of Greece a lot.

There's a lot of good based Greeks, for sure.

There's a lot of really...

Halali's Greek. There's a lot of based Greeks, though. There's a lot of really... Halali's Greek.

There's a lot of based Greeks, though. There's a lot.

Trust me. I've met them in Russia. There's

a lot of based ones.

The problem is the

Communist Party of Greece.

They've always been on my

shit list.

And by the way, as much as I shit on Plato and shit on the Greek philosophers all the

fucking time, heraclitus and stuff, you know, they're still my foundation.

Even if to articulate an alternative to them i have

no point of reference except them so how could i really hate them you know it's kind of stupid

but in any case, this kind of relationship

is one of affection.

It's not one of hatred.

That's what I mean to say.

Complicated affection.

Even Heraclitus has a dark twin who has never been given time in the sun, so to speak.

But in any case, what is I trying to say leftists

or I should say

ideological leftist

I remember the Bernie phenomenon in 2015

fuck Bernie Sanders forget Bernie Sanders

I remember the ambiguous

atmosphere of left

wing populism that

got immediately reduced to the terms

and conditions of ideological

metaphysics by leftists across

the spectrum. Oh, is it social democracy?

Is it Marxism? Is it Marxism?

Leninism? Is it Trotskyism it's like in a way it's none of

those things the first thing that exists is the material fact of mass discontent and the way

signifiers form authentically has nothing to do with the metaphysics of ideologies.

Marxism, Leninism used to mean something.

The way that it's been translated to the Internet in Western context has turned it into something that is devoid of meaning, for the most part.

When I say I'm a Marxist-Leninist. I don't say I'm a Marxist-Leninist in the sense that the Communist Party of Greece does. I say I'm a Marxist Leninist. I don't say I'm a Marxist leninist in the sense that the Communist Party of Greece does. I say I'm a Marxist Leninist in the sense of rediscovering what that used to actually mean by way of a new encounter with the sacred and with the absolute,

which Mao, which Lenin, which Stalin all had taken for granted.

And I'm the only Marxist Leninist who goes to Russia and goes to China and witnesses their monuments and understands them.

And I had,

there's no friction

between the so-called principle and the reality.

For Western Marxist-Leninists, they go and see

Marxist-Leninist civilizations and they have cognitive dissonance. They're like, oh, this isn't what I imagine and expected. Me, what I see is exactly what I imagine. It's exactly what I expected. It makes perfect sense because I understand the unconscious language that gives meaningfulness to what Marxism, Leninism is.

It's not just a bunch of vague ideological pledges of allegiance based on the recitation of phrases and slogans.

And recall that Marx, Engels, and Lenin explicitly hated what they called phrase mongers, people who just dwelt and lived in phrases.

They hated these fucking people, right?

They wanted nothing more than to distinguish themselves from them.

Hmm. Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. You know, Debates tonight, yep.

We'll do about 30 minutes of debates. Thank you. You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, and All right? all right ones if it works now all right uh who wants to see the forum

okay twos if you want to see the forum.

Tuse if you want to see the ACP forum.

You do want to see it.

Okay, I'll show it on stream.

Nen-na-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-

All right, I'll show you the forum.

Jennifer said new mic.

I know, but it's going to take a little longer

than just one day to get a new mic. I know, but it's going to take a little longer than just one day to get a new mic.

You got to order it, you know?

Also, I don't think the mic is the problem, actually.

I think it's the software.

I think it's like a software setting.

There's a lot of people on TikTok who think I'm talking to them or care about them.

Let's go back to them. Nen, Nen N N N N N N N N N

DPRK Life.

Yo, are you a supporter or an enemy?

Hello,

Haas Aldean.

I am an anti-communist.

I want you to debate me. I am an anti-communist.

I want you to debate me.

I want you to turn the age of something more than 15 years old and then get off the internet until you're 18 and then stop talking stop going on random these guys he's branded as a dprk supporter

and he's like i am an anti-communist it's like bro can we just stop

like only in the west does this? Like, only in the West

does this shit exist. Like, only in the West

do we have this level of, like...

Now, why can't I...

Oh, here's the forum. Okay. And show you

the forum.

I'll show you the forum.

The forum is cool as fuck.

Oh, I can't swear.

All right.

I feel like the forum is just like... Let's just show like the top posts.

Um...

All right.

So, who wants to see the forum?

First of all, the forum is pretty, like, active.

Um, straight up.

It's, like, actually quite active.

It's like...

It's like...

Uh, Corey, I'll get you in in a second.

So, it's pretty good.

I mean like It's pretty cool know these are just the top posts in the past two days but uh it's fun i'll just show you my posts i'll show you my posts i'll show you my posts first of all here's my profile here's my profile

and I love I love using this form

I just use it

so I give

so somebody made a cool post about

you know swarm drone warfare and stuff

I made a pretty long post about my thoughts about like you know

why tank warfare is coming to an end what could what that could possibly mean the rise of drones

and swarm intelligence and AI and stuff.

I like to make thoughtful small posts.

Somebody asked about, you know,

could we ban reserves from representing us?

I tried to explain this not how the internet works. All we could do is just prevent

impersonation and, uh, you know, be clear about where we stand on things mainly and just call

out infiltrators when we can, people who are like bad faith actors. You know who made a really cool post is rev right rev red made a post

about you know abstract time in the vanguard so he's talking about how time changes with the rise

of capitalism.

Pretty interesting stuff.

So it's like everything that we would want from Reddit and X is baked into this forum.

The forum has been ready for a long time. We had a working prototype before the new year, as we promised.

But you notice something about the forum.

There's like no glitches and no bugs that are reported so far.

So Christian, really, you have to shout out Christian for getting this shit done shit done okay and just getting it to work well i

mean it this works as a fully fledged independent type of social media which works really well

and uh it's super cool.

So, you know, thank Christian for this.

And shout out Christian for getting it done. somebody you know somebody suggested a

that they wanted

a type of clothing i don't i don't really

i don't know about this.

It's a little too retro.

I don't know.

Also, the new globe is way better.

But people like it.

It's like, what can I say?

This is a very strange photo of me.

So, yeah.

You know, so that's the forum, basically.'re if you're not if you're in the party you're not in the forum yet i don't know

what you're doing it's like a i i check it all the time me and carlos are using it out of the eb

me carlos probably use it the most.

I'm always on it, though.

Like, every time on my phone, I just like,

it's just one of those apps.

You just, honestly, what I love about the forum is that I love how there's just, like,

a dedicated place just for us as a party.

And there's a sense where there's just like a togetherness of the whole party across the

nation, just being together across chapters, across all the hierarchy, across all the distinctions.

It's really nice, actually, you know?

It's really helped solidify the sense of

uh cohesion and solidarity within the party to be honest i it's and i'll see we're we're all

very surprised about how bustling and active it is.

We thought maybe people won't use it.

Christian was worried about that.

So guys, don't ever get tired of it or bored of it.

Keep using it.

Keep fucking...

And I know you want to use it.

The demand is there.

I want to use it. I'm not just using it because I want to keep it. The demand is there. I want to use it.

I'm not just using it because I want to keep it alive.

Like I genuinely have been craving our own thing like this, which is just ACP members, none of these other ankle biters and freaks that we have to deal with

and it's just like we all get to just talk to each other

and be in the same

safe space

you know

super cool actually

so it's just like super and it's yeah it's fun to use Super cool, actually.

So it's just like super, and it's, yeah, it's fun to use.

It's just like, it's what we've been waiting for.

It was a really good idea.

It was very well executed, you know.

All right, so we got some check TikTok and see who's requesting.

Somebody named Corey was requesting.

I'll let them go up, but this is just the DPRK light guy.

Let's read some of the TikTok comments Host is a, okay.

What do you think about the claim that Michael Hudson is a Trotskyite?

It's always been unfounded nonsense.

Corey, go ahead.

When you're asking the opposite of the form,

well, the thing about the form, sorry,

I'm going to end, I just answering this question.

The form is not like hidden, per se, but it's also just not, it's just like a barrier to entry.

Like, you know, not everyone can join it and be there.

Are you hiding things on it?

Not really, you know, but, yeah, that's kind of the thing.

Anyway, go ahead, Corey.y yeah so i was not um so if you can

the if the acp supports zionism i'll become communist if if acp supports zionism well we don't so i don't know what to tell you

why don't you guys support zionism

you know what's interesting about the state of the country is that i just don't even feel like i need

to have this conversation with you i feel like the country split down the middle 50 50 like 50 or at

least i think it's 80 20 really 80% understand why... Communist pig.

Don't even do that.

Come on, man.

Just have a debate with me.

You're running.

I don't need to have any kind of conversation about you.

Because you know, I'm a cookie on Zionism, bro.

You guys don't know anything about Zionism or Israel.

You guys are brainwashed by media.

Okay, well, you can say that.

Well, there's nothing you can

say that's going to make

Zionism discursively.

One state solution Zionists right here, guys.

Fuck communism.

You're truly, oh yeah, you're truly a contrarian. You're truly a contrarian.

You're truly a contrarian.

You're truly a contrarian. You're truly a contrarian.

You're a piggy.

Okay.

Look at your nose, bro. You have

like one of those... Are you Russian?

Are you Eastern European?

Fucking long ass

get it all out

you're such a contrary

you're such a funny

no I'm not even

no you're really funny bro

though you got the whole squad laughing

bro you got the whole squad laughing bro you got the whole squad laughing bro you got the whole squad laughing, bro, you got the whole squad laughing.

Oh, you got the whole squad laughing, bro.

It is so funny.

What's the debate about Zionism?

Bro, that's so funny.

You can't debate about Zionism?

I got to go, I got restricted.

Okay, he ran away.

He left. My visibility got restricted, as always. My visibility just got restricted. But he ran away because he's scared. He ran away.

Conrad says the ACP is pro-Trump.

It's like not something a human being would say.

Okay, we got Cape 6500.

Go ahead. Yes. So the question is... six five hundred go ahead yes

so the question is

I think I'm

echoing

whatever

just speak

just speak

okay

so why

like the average

American citizen like

what's lacking in their lives like

why

go ask CNN

for an interview I don't know why you're talking to me about

interviewing about America

go ahead the to me about interviewing about America. Go ahead. The.

Hello?

Yeah, another non-American. That's great.

Yeah, the Democrats are more revolutionary than you. How does that feel?

How does that feel?

You literally have an anime profile picture.

You're not even human.

I don't know why you're talking to me.

We got an edge lord here.

Oh, my God. I'm a big fan of you. We got an edge lord here N-18 Oh my god

I'm a big fan of you

Do you have anything else to say?

When are you coming to Chicago?

I always go to Chicago

Shit pull up

I would love to come to one of those

festivals or

protests whatever

or anything else

no you have a good day

okay have a good day

um

mm-hmm

this guy named Um, mm-hmm.

This guy name is jail, whatever his name is Grass.

What? I've heard of you.

I don't really know anything about the ACP. I just don't understand the appeal of communism at all. If you had to like summarize what your party is trying to achieve in like one or two sentences what would you say

we're trying to achieve rooting out the fundamental cancer that is holding the people of

this nation back from realizing their truest and fullest potential.

What is the cancer?

The rule and reign of the capitalist class and the private interest

that we call

the dictatorship

of profit.

Okay.

I probably have too many questions, so I'm going to let somebody else speak because I wouldn't really know where to start asking.

Okay.

Third Observer.

What's up, man?

Appreciate you. What's up? Third Observer. Appreciate you.

Joseph, go ahead.

Yo!

You're Marxism, bro? I'm niggerism, bro. What's going all with you?

All right, TikTok's going to ban me, so I got to end the live. It's over.

Live is over. I'm probably going to get banned, unless I end it right now.

So there we go. That's just Larry Ellison censorship.

If this will do anything to salvage this small account,

that doesn't even matter.

No, I'm good.

Am I responsible for that?

Does TikTok hold me responsible for that does ticot hold me responsible for that

tippo with the five what's up man does ticot hold me responsible like can i like appeal it

they are gonna they're that they're automatically that's going to be automated but is there a way to be

if you kicked them immediately but i did that last time i got banned for five days

i got banned for five days.

Okay, you can appeal.

Hey, I'm just going to appeal it then.

You know, I'm sure I'll be fine.

I'll just appeal it.

There needs to be a built-in delay so you can drop them before it gets through.

How does that work, though? Think about it. Like, all the delay could do is that I drop them and end the live right away.

But, like, how could I prevent it from getting through, you know?

It's just, you know, honestly, I can't even be upset.

It's like these people, it's like when you go on public transportation

and you have mentally ill people that just scream and stuff it's just how america is

you just have to get used to it okay though desperately wants

he that he he desperately wants to get his piece in. What do you want? You British neat.

Yo, how's why scared to me, bro? Just calm down, bruce. Not that scary, bro.

I just don't care about people who put beans on toast and are needs.

So you're xenophobic?

Interesting.

Yeah, I am.

Interesting.

That's not very communist of you, is that?

Yeah, it is actually. It's called

rootless cosmopolitanism. Look it up.

Sounds like Judeo-communism

to me. How does it feel to be like

the communist version of Elon Musk, right?

Because it's basically what you are in it.

Well, I'd like to have the money to justify that accusation for sure.

I mean, yeah, you do get the money, didn't you?

Who's paying you then

literally Jennifer

yeah

Jennifer

Xi Jinping you know yeah

no literally I'm getting paid by

people right now watching me

why is the communist getting paid sounds caps less people right now watching me.

Why is the communists getting paid?

Sounds capitalist.

No, it's not actually.

These are a prototypical form of labor vouchers described by Marx and the critique of the Gotha program.

Look it up.

So labor is when you sit on tictal live yeah nice nope they're labor

vouchers for sure though totally bro totally, this is why liberalism is based.

But where does liberalism actually exist anymore?

Most of the Western...

No, no, no.

Liberalism is dead.

No, it's dead

and it's even the consistent liberals

have to admit that liberalism

is dead doesn't exist

more successful than communism

what

more successful than communism

outlived the USSR

how many people lived in More successful than communism. Outlived the USSR.

How many people lived in the USSR?

Quite a few to be fair.

How many people live in China?

Quite a few to be fair.

What's the comparison? Comparison to what? what's the comparison comparison to what

what's the world's most powerful economy right now

America

really okay who can

who can make more ships per year

America or China

who can build more things per year?

Let's talk about real economics.

I mean, sure, who can make cheaper

and worse quality stuff?

Okay, let's...

We'll see about...

It's so cheap.

It's so worst quality

that we were not even allowed to have

the cell phones and stuff

that they make in my

country. They have to do it the very

liberal thing and ban the products

that come from China. Based, based

Yeah, it's so liberal, right?

Yeah, I support that though

because fucking, why would you want

a chink's phone

there we go

Yeah I'm going to win by just by censorship.

I'm just going to censor this person.

That makes me win.

You automatically forfeit your manhood when you hide behind Larry Ellison censorship.

Immediately lose.

He said, I support liberalism, but I also want to ban the free market selectively.

So where's the liberalism then? It's dead. There's no consistent liberalism.

It's gone. It doesn't exist.

China's known for

their censorship. Okay, well, China doesn't claim

to be liberal, now, does it? Yeah, too lazy to debate, so resorts to bad words. complaining about censorship while you actively advocate for it.

If I lived in a country where words meant something, I wouldn't exist anymore because the politicians that are accountable to the public would actually have to deliver. There would be no need for me to be in the public eye expressing my views in the way that I do. We would already be living in a competent civilization.

So there's no hypocrisy.

If we lived in a country where censorship could be justified by the fact that words even mean something in the first place,

there would be no need for me to be in public.

Yeah, we have free speech in a country where words mean nothing. Congratulations. She's such a pain in the ass.

How am I going to post my hype edits and aura edits if I get banned, you know?

I don't want to debate.

I want a discussion.

I am a revolutionary socialist.

But to be fair, you have 156 followers.

So I'm just saying it's like, why, what makes you special? I want to debate Marxism

Lennoxism.

Then request!

Like, who is stopping you from requesting?

Literally just request. Thank you. I got 7,000 votes.

Okay.

You can request too then if you got 7,000 votes.

No, I believe you.

Whatever.

It's a very strange thing to lie about elizabeth go ahead

how do i request i don't know

go ahead elizabeth i don't like that at all it's Go ahead, Elizabeth. Yo?

I don't like that at all.

It's literally a dude with a grandma profile picture.

They're straight up going to drop the N-word.

100% they will.

100%.

That's somebody looking and drop some slurs.

Z.A., What's up?

What's up, brother?

What's going on?

Not much, man.

You know, I'm up here now. What's up here now?

What's up?

Talk to me.

Bro, what do you want?

Yo, Joe.

Are you just screaming at me like that?

He's got the ice man. He's got the ice man.

He's got the ice man profile picture.

Bro, what do you want?

I want to debate.

About what?

I want to debate. About what?

I want to debate.

About Trump.

All right.

I'll let you think about it.

Alejandro, you've been, you're Cuban, you've been living under dictatorship for 20 years.

Please join.

Please go ahead, join join where's he at

uh oh he's not joining

Alejandro request

Soniaon

ring

go ahead

bro you're genuinely trolling.

About what?

About your fuck-ass ideology.

How?

Did submit communism? There is no other choice.

Correct. Correct? It's true. Why? Yeah, it's correct. communism there is no other choice correct

correct why that's correct

this communism is the shape of history you have no choice

the shape of history do you know how long

communism has been alive for

since the beginning of time the beginning of time was a live for

since the beginning of time the beginning of time was 100 fucking years ago bro

you think communism's only been around for 100 years

yeah no okay no it has

have photons only been around for 200 years because nobody had a name for it until 200 years ago?

Get out of here, bro.

Wait, are you going to call a traditional economy communist?

Are you actually going to say that?

You're going to call a traditional economy communist?

Communism is literally the thing, thing the only that makes sense of how history has developed forward since the beginning of time explain

communism is what you call the low the underlying logic and logos of history.

All historical change is propelled by the underlying fact that mankind truly exists only in a collective dimension.

That is fundamentally common to all who live within a given community of labor.

And this common collective logic is the driving force of all of the changes that happened throughout history as history attempts to conform to the purity

of this collective logic that was basically just a word sound you basically just said community

means communism but the nature of communities themselves are communistic so you're saying like the nature of community

has a communist idol ideology no i never said anything about ideology that comes from plato i never

said anything about ideology ideology ideologyology is just a primitive.

Plato's understanding of the idea was just a primitive attempt to approximate communism.

Plato's Republic is this proto-communistic.

You know, it's like the same way the Greeks didn't understand natural science. They didn't understand communism well either, but they had they tried to approximate it a little, you know, but they failed.

So, so you think that like ever since human

mankind was made we were

destined for communism

exactly

so everyone deserves everything

who said that

uh Marx

no he didn't say that.

To each according to his

want, to his need, something like that.

From each according,

from each

according to their

ability to each according to their need.

Do you even know what that means?

Yeah, it means you could still

have a lot of shit if you're a lazy fuck. No, it doesn't

mean that. Yeah, it does, bro.

In the Soviet Union, you could

not work at all and still get paid as much as someone

who works their ass off. That's not true

at all. I was just in... Well, I guess in the Soviet Union

it was pressure... I talked to a lot. I was just in the Soviet Union. I was just in Russia.

I talked to a lot of people who lived on the Soviet Union.

None of them said any of that.

What did they say?

They said that people who were lazy were punished and people who didn't work were punished.

Oh, when was that?

They said that after the capitalist restoration, the lazy got promoted.

They gobbled up Russia's entire economy.

They don't work.

They don't do anything.

And they're parasites, living off the people, living off the nation.

So after the capitalistic restoration?

Yep.

So you're saying- You think these that oligarchs are hard workers? Are you stupid?

So your thing, you're saying after a quote capitalistic, what was that restoration that lazy people get punished?

No, during communism, the lazy got punished.

Are you sure about that?

I'm pretty sure.

Do you have an example?

Was in the communist moral code of builders that said

Hedo does not work shall not eat

It's from Lenin from the Bible

That was literally American ideology in like the 1800s

Nope, it's from the Bible and Lenin is the one

It's from the Bible

Yeah

Which Bible?

The Bible.

There's multiple Bibles.

You have to specify.

It does.

Why would it matter, though?

It's biblical.

Because there's multiple Bibles.

Okay.

Well, it's the lost Bible of whatever's rabbit hole you've been on. Who cares?

What lost Bible? Just define what Bible you're talking about because I have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't know what specific Bible it comes from. I don't know what the relevancy is.

So you can't even name what the Bible it was.

But you know what it came from.

Tell me why it matters.

Tell you,

so you can back up your claims with evidence.

But if you can't even name the source of your evidence,

why does it matter that if it came,

okay, hold on. All I just said it came from the bible to kind of

say that yeah but what bible

well it doesn't really matter though i mean the whole the key argument here is that lennon

indeed did say that right are you contesting that Lenin said that?

Because that's the only thing that would actually be decisive in the argument, because the

argument is about whether laziness was rewarded or punished.

Well, if Lenin said, he who does not work shall not eat, I don't know why I have to specify

what Bible that came from.

Well, because when you say the Bible, I'm just, I'm to specify what Bible that came from. Well, because when you

say the Bible, I'm just, I'm just confused

which Bible are you talking about?

Thessalonians

310. 2 Thessalonians 310.

That's the Bible.

But what does it matter? Okay, somebody in the chat tell me what Bible it was. So this person could be satisfied.

Bro, you don't even know yourself. No, I told you. I don't know which Bible it's from.

How the fuck would you know it came from a bible

because there's like what three different books in the new testament and i don't know

exactly which one it comes from oh seriously it came from the holy bible

i i don't know like what you're what you're asking what are you looking like what's what you mean what Bible the old testament the new testament like what are you asking like King James Bible yeah the King James version okay you could have just said that that's what I was asking it matter, though? What does it have to do with the

argument? I was just wondering what your source was.

No, but that's not the sources about what Lenin said. Do you understand logic?

If you're saying communists

promoted or communists did not punish laziness.

And then I say, actually, Lenin said,

he who does not work shall not eat.

And, you know, I also added the fun fact.

I also added a fun fact that he's quoting the Bible.

You're like, oh, the source of your argument is the Bible.

No, it's not.

It's from Lenin.

And then he says it came from the Bible.

I was like, okay, what Bible are you talking about?

But then he said the King James Bible.

But it's irrelevant to the argument because the argument is about whether communist promoted

laziness or not, not about which Bible Lenin was quoting when he affirmed the fact that communists do punish laziness.

Do you not understand logic? Can you not track basic logic?

No, I'm just asking what Bible. It's that simple, honestly.

Like, I'm not going to argue that Lenin didn't say that. I'm just arguing what Bible that was.

Okay, so you're

abandoning the argument that communists i am not abandoning the argument i was just question your

original argument was that under communism everyone can be lazy isn't that what you said

yeah and i still stand by that it doesn't matter what Lenin said. It matters what happened.

Oh, it only matters what Bible it came from, right?

What does that even have to do with the argument?

Because you didn't specify what Bible it came from.

But why would that matter for the actual argument?

Because you can say some bullshit and get away with it if you don't specify what source you come from.

Hold on. If you could be lazy and get away with it, it has something to do with the Bible that Lenin cited?

No.

Yeah, it has no relevancy to the argument. So thank you for conceding the actual argument. No, I was just asking what Bible came from. So it doesn't matter what Lenin said. It doesn't matter what the Soviets enforced. You're saying that everyone that lazy people could get just as much as people who worked hard when that's actually what's right. Everyone gets the same paycheck Yeah, everyone gets the same paycheck.

Literally everyone gets the same paycheck because everyone's assigned jobs.

That was not true.

People did not get the same paycheck at any point in the existence of the Soviet Union.

Are you sure about that?

I'm 100% certain and sure.

Even for the same function?

What do you mean for

if people were doing the same exact thing,

probably they were getting the same paycheck,

just like in any job?

Well, no, you could be doing the same function

and be getting different payments but

nonetheless do you think practical comedy you think you think in a workplace if someone's doing the

exact same thing that they somehow measure like like if you're an amazon warehouse worker

you're not getting a base salary or

pay you think that they're like oh you work so hard i'm just going to arbitrarily keep your same job

no well maybe you'll get promoted which is also true in the soviet union but are you just going to be

awarded more for working harder for most jobs?

No, you're not.

Everyone who's actually had a job knows that.

I'm just saying that you could get paid the same even if you're working different functions

or the same function.

You could get paid differently if you're working the same function.

Explain what you mean by that. What does a function mean?

A job.

Okay, so if you're working the same

job, you can get paid differently?

Yeah.

What example are you thinking of when you say that uh like for example an NBA player

oh okay well that actually but the job is not some like standardized it's not really like a

factory job or something that would be relevant here that's a job that's based on your performance yeah that's more what i mean your performance can dictate uh your salary

NBA players are like representative of the majority of the working class who actually have like standardized normal jobs?

I never made that claim ever.

Okay.

So we're just talking about NBA players.

Why for what?

No.

You asked for an example.

I gave an example.

No point in the history of the Soviet Union

did people get paid the same thing? What else?

Do you think

theoretical communism can be achieved?

What is theoretical communism in your mind?

The definition

wrote by Marx.

From each according to their ability to each

according to their need, yes.

A little bit more than that.

I'm pretty sure there was more written in his book than that one sentence.

He never outlined a

blueprint of a communist system or future.

Yeah, he did.

Workers own the means of production.

That's literally simplified

based on it. Yeah, did you learn that

from Vosch on Breadtube?

No. Because you've never read Marx in your

life and I can tell. Yeah, because it's a waste

of fucking time in my opinion.

Right.

Marx defined communism only one time in one way.

The real movement that sublates the present state of things whose conditions are now in existence.

That's how he defined it.

He said, communism is not for us an ideal to which the future will have to conform itself. It is the real movement which sublates the present state of things, the conditions of which are now in existence. So that's what he said.

So he explicitly rejected the idea of designing a future society according to the whims and fancies of our present consciousness so if you want to know what communism actually is you can drop the pretense of actually being an educated person and sit down like the student you are

and accept the...

Theoretical communism.

It's literally just workers.

The politaria own the means of production.

That's the baseline of it.

That's impossible.

How is that impossible?

So you're saying Marx is flawed?

It is impossible that Marx could have ever said anything like that.

Sit down, boy, and get your education.

Now your teacher is talking.

Now your professor is talking. You sit down and you get your education. Now your teacher is talking. Now your professor is talking.

You sit down and you get your education.

You're going to sit down.

You're going to sit down and get this lesson from your professor.

You're actually rakebating.

Oh my God.

No, no.

Sit down, boy.

Dude,

no one of the ACP's a dying party. Holy shit. Sit down, boy. There's no one to the ACP's a dying

party.

Sit down, boy.

How are we dying?

We've grown 300% since our founding.

Sit down, boy.

It's time for your lesson.

You got like the fifth time you said that.

Time for your lesson.

You need to get educated. Most of them just said I got humbled. Hell lesson. You need to get educated. I just said I got humbled.

Hell nah.

You're getting humbled big time.

You gotta sit down and get an education now.

You're so uneducated.

Bro, you are literally the reason why the ACP's dying.

How are we dying?

We're growing.

We've been growing.

Bro, you're literally so unpopular.

Okay, but you're going to sit down.

Oh, he left.

So to educate, whoever needs to be educated about this topic,

the reason it's impossible that under a society comprehensively transformed by communist relations or production, that it could be defined by the proletariat owning the means of production, is because under what we call a communist society, a communist mode of production, there is no proletariat. There are no

classes. There's no proletariat. There's no bourgeoisie. And there is no private, there is no private property at all.

So to speak of proletariat ownership of the means of production under communism is ridiculous. Under a what we call a communist

motor production, there's no proletariat at all. So this is what I was trying to educate him about,

but apparently he found it too confusing.

Okay, we have a lot of people requesting. Let's go with I.J. Smallville.

Yo,

scary profile picture. What do you want?

Yeah, it's actually, I think

it's like a Pop-1 New Guinea and

fetish or something like that. I took a picture. I thought it was cool looking.

But, um, anyway.

So I, uh,

so I have a couple questions.

First of all, it's great to talk to you.

I've seen, I think you're doing cool stuff, man.

One of these days, let me know, man.

I'm trying to join, go to Moscow, meet Dugan, all that stuff.

Let me know, give me to me an invite.

But regardless, a question that I have for you is,

why is China?

Again,

I'm saying this as someone

who critically supports China,

you know,

socialism or Chinese characteristics,

blah, blah, blah.

But to cut to the chase,

why are they so cucked, man?

Why are they so cucked? man? Why are they so cucked?

Like, they have no independent foreign policy.

They're part of the IMF.

Like, Donald Trump just went over there, and they basically conceded, like, everything.

Like, I don't understand that they conceded.

Well, pretty much like

I think it was something

regarding Iran like they're saying yeah we

don't want them to have a nuclear weapon

and yeah yeah blah

it's got nothing to do with China

what are they going to do

well that's my kind of my point right

what are they going to do

why do they why don't they... Why aren't they, like, a country? Why aren't they contesting U.S. imperialism? Like, haven't they been building up the productive forces forever? Like, when's the socialism going to start?

When are they going to start contesting imperialism?

And again, I'm saying this is someone who's critical. China's doing everything right

by its own people for its own

nation independently. I don't know how you could

say they're cucked, and I don't know why.

I mean, you have these expectations of China that the Chinese people don't.

And it's that simple.

Well, my... Yeah, I would agree with that.

But my question is, is how much is modern day China a socialist slash

communist project

versus a Chinese nationalist

project, right?

They're doing good for their people

and they're okay, great,

but I thought the whole point

of communism was internationalism

and anti-imperialism.

Trotskyites, you know,

they've always been confused about this and I don't know why they are,

because all communist states

are just like China in this way, you know?

Stalin's USSR was the same,

and it's been pretty consistent

throughout time. No, man, Stalin was arming Greek communists.

Stalin was arming partisan.

Stalin was arming with Korea, China.

I think actually he...

He actually disagreed with Tito on the point of Greece, I believe.

Actually, there was quite a dispute there.

In any case, Stalin absolutely prioritized the development of socialism in one country.

And there's nothing groundbreaking about the logic of Marxism, Lennonism within China China and the national orientation of socialism being national in form.

None of that is new.

You just have to know what communism or Marxism, Leninism was in the first place, and it'll all make sense.

So...

Don't let Trotskyists define what communism means when they never...

Nah, man. Fuck Trotsky, man. They're faggist, man. Peter Rossum, but...

Nah, we...

Like, Larry Ellison's TikTok, like like a lot of people just cannot

I want to remove all censorship

because I just think the American people can't help it

they just have to keep

they don't have the discipline

they just have to continually

use bad words that just get me in trouble

big go ahead

hey what's up man uh i just wanted to come on

this debate like from the perspective of a neo-libertarian phalanjist uh can you you could

talk about something here or no i think you're a larper ah you got me you got me hey have an

excellent day though okay panther go ahead.

Hello?

Yeah.

So why should I be a Marxist-Leninist?

Didn't you want to debate Marxism

Leninism with me as in like

I did.

You're claiming to be the real one and I'm the fake one or something?

Essentially.

So are you already a Marxist

Leninist? No.

Oh, okay.

What are you?

I'm an Italian left com.

How old are you?

18.

Okay.

Well, when did you adopt this ideology?

Like a year ago, two years ago.

Okay, well, um, the end result of your ideology is just going to be Mussoliniism.

Really? Explain that to me. How so?

Because the left communist trend, especially the Italian kind,

Trotskyism and other kind of post-war

reactions to Bolshevism is what I call them.

They all culminate...

You do realize that, like, Bordegas and Italian leftcoms are

Bolsheviks. I know that they

tried to claim the Bolshevik legacy like Trotsky

did. The reason I call them a reaction

to Bolshevism is that Bolshevism was

this comprehensive rupture

with classical liberal modernity

and social democracy of course and the rupture wasn't just negative it also included a new positive you know re-grounding of what democracy is and so on and so on and And it's just this new logic of the political.

And when it comes to this kind of like sublation,

left comms and Trotskyists are united in the fact that

they want to dwell in the negation forever.

Same with the fascists. You know, they all have that in common. They don't want to dwell in the negation forever. Same with the fascists.

You know, they all have that in common.

They don't want a positive sublation of liberalism.

They just want to continually negate liberalism and thereby become dependent upon it.

Additionally, specifically with respect to the Italian left communist current and Bordiga,

if you take his understanding of Marxist theory to its conclusion, then you end up with primitivism.

Bordaga has a specific kind of metaphysical implication when it comes to his understanding of what communism is uh what it means to actually oppose

capitalism and so on and so on and you know the organicism that's inherent in his politics

lends itself to a kind of retreat back into this notion of like the eternal

nature of man since the beginning of time ultimately you know nature versus technology and so on

like that's there's kind of i guess there's two trajectories, like

primitivism or fascism, but

eventually you can't stay in Italian

left com for a long time. You're going to

matured. So how does it lead to primitive? How does

lead to primitism?

Well, Bordiga had an understanding

of, uh, Well, Bordeca had an understanding of anti-capitalism, which was devoid of anything positive in content, right?

What do you mean positive in content?

Well, there's simply kind of two facets

to the anti-capitalism. One

was this rejection of

democracy itself.

And I know that sounds based, but it was like

rejection of the logic

of democracy, even in the Lenin's... well i mean do you want to talk about that you

want to talk about organic centralism versus democratic centralism yeah sure so my issues of democratic

centralism is that the proletariat right and we see this during

Stalin and lennon is that the proletariat does not know what they're doing and it's the job of the

vanguard party the vanguard needs to take up the responsibility of guiding the proletariat

towards the international state.

I know.

We can talk about that and debate about it,

but I just want to say why I think that inevitably culminates in primitivism,

because Ortega's basic understanding of how there's no distinction between the class and the party of the class, so to speak, like there's no distinction at all. It's all the same thing. And it's this kind of, yeah, it's this organicistic logic.

That speaks to a understanding of communism as a return to immediacy, meaning it's a rejection of mediation and the logic of mediation.

And I think that's why Bordeca's successor, what was his name, Kamate or whatever, actually became just a primitivist. He's like, if we're going with this logic of just rejecting the need of dialectical mediation altogether, then let's just return to the truly immediate, which is not simply the proletariat as a class,

but an understanding of like the true primitive humanity versus the mediation that has come with the rise of civilization itself. But also, I reject organicism also. I don't know why he left

I was gonna say

I don't know if anyone cares

maybe no one cares

user go ahead

hello yeah Maybe no one cares. User, go ahead. Hello.

Yeah.

Hey, what's up, Hise?

Go ahead.

Can you say hi back?

What?

Can you say hi back?

No.

Okay, that's true.

How's it going being investigated by the FBI because your Discord's full of freaks.

And how's it going with your handlers in Russia with you and Jackson, Rinkle?

Did you, uh, is it all good with Pinkle and them?

And did you smooth it over?

Uh, it's just like a profoundly metrosexual twang in your voice

really yeah can you speak with a little more

intention and clarity in terms of what you're trying to ask

that's pretty funny

aren't you like 5-1 I'd literally beat the shit out of here

yeah but in real life you wouldn't not in real life in real life you'd be pretty I'd literally beat the shit out of here.

Yeah, but in real life, you wouldn't.

Not in real life.

In real life, you'd be pretty scared of me, to be honest.

Really?

I'd be scared of like a 5-1, like a 5-1.

You'd, on the, no, I mean, on the internet, you can say I'm 5-1, but in real life, it would be different.

I bet.

Yeah.

Yeah, your movement has no more. You can't even show your face.

Why don't you show your face if you're so tough?

I don't know how to do it.

Why?

Just because you seem like a really tough guy and you know, you're talking about how strong

you are and tough you are, but you're scared to show your face.

You don't know.

I don't think a tough guy would be hiding behind

anonymous picture like this.

Goes radio silent.

You see that guy's radio silence.

He literally froze.

No way.

What happened to the tough guy?

I thought you were this tough guy who was going to be able to confront me.

Well.

Well, he's got nothing.

He thinks that the FBI investigation had something to do with Discord for some reason.

He's claiming my Discord is full of freaks.

He's literally a Groyper.

Then he says something about how does it feel to work

for Russia? I was working for Russia, don't you think

I would have been indicted already?

Pretty stupid.

Just not a lot of thinking all over.

How does it feel? I have this fake.

He's got this metrosexual twang in his voice.

He thinks it makes him sound tough or something.

Go ahead, Yakov.

Hello? hello what so you mentioned at the beginning that communism somehow the logos of logic of history etc but what if history does not advance according to a specific logic but there's only I believe you are familiar with the cyclical view of history right

if it's cyclical then it's even more of a logic so so like if we look at the philosophical, philosophy of history, we can see that there is the optimistic, progressive view, and there is also the, some call it the tragic view where

like

nothing ever

happens

and

well things do

happen though

there is

yeah

yeah things do

happen

but like

there is a lot

of chaos

there is a lot

of irrationality to history that makes it so...

No, it's not irrational.

It doesn't follow that...

It's all rational.

Everything always makes sense.

You know, everything that happens in history eventually makes sense.

The story, the logic of history is very clear.

And it's all, what we call that logic is communism.

Now, does that mean everything's going to progress in an op?

No, no one's necessarily saying that.

What we're saying is that

there's an underlying

riddle

of history so to speak

and communism is that riddle solved

it's like

why why does

history point toward a conclusion, you know?

And I was thinking about this the other day with respect to like natural science.

And it's like, it's really interesting how we're just here.

You know?

And the more we actually understand the world around us, the more we affect that

understanding into reality in ways that seem to transform reality, at least for us. It's like you look

at your light bulb in your house.

And it's like, nobody invented that, actually.

That is a consequence of us actually with a better degree of understanding,

understanding the world around us that was just given to us,

you know, without any knowledge whatsoever. We were born into this world. We emerged in this world.

There's all of this phenomena around us.

We have no understanding of.

But when we do understand it,

it affects some kind of change.

Now, what is that all pointing toward?

We do progressively understand reality better and better and like what does that what is the content of

that understanding or what's the content of the rationality driving it what does it culminate in

you know clearly something.

It's like a...

But why does it have to culminate in something?

Why couldn't...

Why couldn't it be just infinite progression for example?

Because infinite progression is an abstraction. when you think about concretely how we don't fully understand how light works.

We don't fully understand electromagnetism.

But what little we do understand of it has led to this, right? So it's like, what is the universe trying to tell us and what are we missing? You know, clearly there's something.

If we have such an incomplete understanding, that implies a complete

understanding, in my opinion.

Yeah, that makes sense.

What I was also going to ask is like how does the

how does the communist party handle the you know all the the the power struggle

and dynamics that that come with their you know, all the power struggle and dynamics that come with, you know, vying for politics in general.

I don't know. It's a really complicated question, but I think we're going to let some more people on.

Colin, go ahead.

Didn't I already bring this person on? I was previously in a stream

you said one of the most

revolutionary

like countries of the most

revolutionary potential would be in Anatolia with the Olives and Kazakhstan, if I remember correctly.

Can you materiously justify this?

Turkey?

Yeah.

Any of these?

Yep.

You want a materialist analysis?

Yes. Okay, well, my materialist analysis? Yes.

Okay, well, my materialist analysis would have to do with the rise of the Turkish state in the post-Ottoman context.

So the Middle East has had three, you could say maybe four, but I'll just give you three, three major modernizing projects that have happened, where state institutions that have primarily um gotten their support externally so not in it from

indigenous forms of capital accumulation but from external types of support uh basically created this kind of fortress of political power that very much was not rooted in the masses and very much came from like external sources, right?

So Turkey, for example, Turkey and the rise of Ataturk, who led a war of independence within Turkey, of course, Turkish modernization did not occur on completely independent lines.

It depended upon foreign injections of capital and so on, be part of the world market

and world capitalist system.

And there's always been an element of the Anatolian masses, Turkish masses, so to speak, who were materially stamped with all of the markings of the peculiar social relations of the Ottoman era, who have kind of been this peripheral force from the urban modern center right in the arab world

you had nasser and the uh bathist projects which were you could probably say sustained as a

consequence of support from the soviet. We can just kind of leave that

story there. And then in Persia, you had the Shah and, you know, the white revolution, where they

attempted to carry out this top-down form of modernization to the Iranian countryside.

And, of course, with the support of the IMF and United States and so on and so on.

And, you know, 79 was this breaking point where the periphery, the rule, people of Iran,

and other kind of revolutionary elements from within the center, rise up, overthrow the Shah,

and restore this kind of autonomous, independent logic

of Iranian civilization that had been kept at bay for a very long time by these vain and

artificial top-down projects of Western modernization funded by exogenous forms of capital.

And in the Arab world, we started to see peculiar phenomena with respect to the legacy of Nazarism and Ba'athism.

So in the Iraqi side, you had the rise of, you know, Iranian-backed.

Shia religious movements against Saddam.

You had the Arab Spring in Egypt and to an extent in Syria, of course.

And these kind of came at the expense of the strongman politics there.

That was the legacy of the Cold War.

But Iran is fundamentally divided from the rest of the Middle East, the post-Ottoman space, because the Ottoman Empire and the Safavid Empire were divided.

So the civil society within the Middle East comes from the Safav...

Not the Safavid era in Iran.

That was long after the Saffavids, but nonetheless,

the Saphavids were the ones united Iran as, you know,

its territorial integrity.

And then you had the Ottomans, right?

And that division between Persia and the Ottoman world was also a material division, right? And the Alavis in Anatolia were always a kind of bridge

between those two worlds.

Yeah. were always a kind of bridge between those two worlds. And they were the ones who founded the Safavit state, of course.

But I think that they have the potential to kind of articulate and further the legacy of the Iranian

revolution to the Sunni world, to the post-Ottoman world. And that's why I think they have

revolutionary potential. They are rule. They're in the periphery of Anatolia. There has always been a degree

of uneasiness between rural Anatolia and the central Turkish state. Erdogan is a symptom of that.

The Alavis have the added advantage of representing a tendency that was never fully domesticated, even under Ottoman times.

So, I mean, that's the rudiments of where I'm coming from

if that's materialistic enough

did the

Ottomans not

co-opted the Bactashi's

to suppress certain

present rebellions?

Yeah, the Bektashis and other Sufi orders were very heavily disproportionately influential within the Janissaries.

But the Alavis and the Baktashi's are not strictly the same thing alibi's are a very eclectic

syncretic uh tendency it's all you could really call it, in eastern Anatolia that has always been, well, centuries ago was a proxy for Safavid interests within Turkey, but was also a kind of zone between the two worlds, which never was fully domesticated like a frontier.

What are your thoughts on the Kajawa in Indonesia?

I like knowledge. I don't know anything about. the Kajawa in Indonesia and during the...

I like knowledge.

I don't know anything about them.

They had very high,

at least in the PKII,

they had very high involvement

in the various

rebellions in Indonesia.

Also the six, I don't know, I don't know, in Punjab.

I know in the CPI there was some, a lot of six in Punjab specifically.

I don't know if you have any knowledge on that.

I don't know, but I'm going to have to bring other people up,

but, yeah, it was good.

Thank you.

Yeah, it was nice history lesson.

Remember, I want to to i want to say all the random people that have a problem with me

that are here i want you to know something you are

a mentally violated victim

um and i don't necessarily A mentally violated victim.

And I don't necessarily fully see you as human. And I don't know how to...

It's kind of awkward, but I don't know how to tell you.

Like, I don't know how to break it to you.

Like, I don't really see you as human.

Like, I don't know what to tell you.

Like, having a problem with me is a symptom of the fact that you are either a profoundly stupid person or a profoundly evil person. Always. You can't be good and intelligent and have a problem with me.

It's not possible. It's never existed.

Here's this user 201

with a

Call of Duty profile picture.

Nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger.

Mm-hmm.

That's a very profoundly angry person. The reason they're angry is because they're blackpilled.

They're blackpilled and they, you know, they live a very miserable, sad life on a

burner account, too.

That's just a brave person, by the way. Such a brave person.

But, you know, a person like that, I'm a very public person. I've never encountered anyone like that in real life.

So they exist on the internet.

And they're just, they blame me for the fact, I don't know, they can't get a wife or something.

I don't know why they're angry at me or upset at me.

You just, you know, they're being left on red too many times or something.

I don't know.

I don't know why I'm to blame for that, though.

Why is that my problem?

B.H., go ahead.

Hey, hey, I actually want to talk to you about

one of the recent Twitter posts you made about Bolivia and Peru.

Okay.

Right?

Is this kind of like, I don't remember off the top of my head, so maybe I'm misquoting you, so you can correct me if I'm incorrect here.

But like that communism is going to start in these countries because of, like, the Inca heritage.

It's not just because of that, but it's a factor.

Okay, okay, a factor, yeah.

I mean, I mean I mean

Bolivia

Bolivia has a stronger

like social democratic movement

with Moss right

but like Peru

like where do you see

any potential there even then

because

Bolivia and Peru

are a lot like

China or Russia before Lenin or China before Mao in the sense that these are forms of civilization that have not fully adapted to modernity. And the only way civilizations can adapt to modernity comprehensively at that scale is through communism.

So that's why I say that, you know, because they just haven't, they haven't had their,

the revolution that they need to actually

reflect the reality

of their masses

of people

that live in the

rural hunter lands

and so on and so on

like they don't

that's a specific

type of subjectivity

that has no

institutional representation

Bolivia there's a limited extent to which it does but in Peru type of subjectivity that has no institutional representation.

Bolivia, there's a limited extent to which it does,

but in Peru, definitely not.

Peru has always been right for revolutionary change.

Well, I mean, Peru

is like revolutionary change. Hasn't always been

progressive, though, right?

So like for instance, like Cecilia

Mendez brings up in the Wanta Rebellion

or the European Republic of Wancho Rebellion

right? That like the

during the decolonization effort

of the Peruvian independence movement,

the indigenous people actually fought on the side of the spanish crown

uh to maintain their land structure during the period because it was more beneficial to their social

reproduction well you would be talking about the various chiefs and beneficiaries not necessarily not chiefs not not not chiefs right uh because

they were still within the uh myths of the spanish structure they spot they fought on the side of the crown

they called them chiefs is a very ahistorical thing uh i would be very surprised if the it would a historical thing.

I would be very surprised if the it was the masses of people who sided with the crown

per se.

It was,

it was,

it was,

it was, it was,

it was a vast majority, right?

Like,

this is what Cecilia Mendes makes your point.

Even then and her,

I've never read

Cecilia Mendes

and I'd probably

have to look into that

history in some

independent capacity

to have an informed

Yeah so this is

this is why I'm talking

because I'm actually

a Peruvian historian

and this is why

I think your claim

is somewhat silly

because even the Inca heritage in itself, right?

Even in Bolivia.

But like it was utilized actually for white supremacist projects.

So like both in Bolivia and Peru, you know, in both countries, the white creoles really made a point to differentiate the Inca heritage versus indigenousity to where they view themselves as inheritors of Inca inheritance, especially in Bolivia, where there was a great book by A. Gabriel Conzelli acting in Inca, where pretty much there is a differentiation between the white Inca and the indigenous IMara, and the kind of inheritance of the Bolivian structure and governance was the whiteness of the Inca versus the indigenous nameara.

This causes obviously a huge factor.

Sizio Mendes has another article in 1996.

She publishes in Peru, specifically about

Inca C, Indiano, where

pretty much the whole shtick of

this Peruvian independence movement

is the fact that they are Inca, not

Indian, in terms of

indigenous. And this is what a lot of

indigenous movements and thinkers really view

indigenous people as um i have to be honest i have to look into those I have to look into those.

I have to, before I can have an informed response, I would have to read the arguments presented by those people.

Your argument is noted.

It's the first time I'm being introduced to it, so I'd have to... Have you, have you, speaking, which, have you, like, read Marietti?

No.

Okay.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just don't know how to pronounce it.

Merritt, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I always thought it was...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, like, right, like, I write, the seven interpretive

essays of even reality right like

uh you know even he like pretty much makes the point that like you know the inca and themselves

weren't necessarily communist uh because like obviously like it's an aristocratic class structure right communist.

Because, like, obviously, like, it's an aristocratic class structure, right?

The Inca in itself is what we actually call the, uh, uh, is the catchable word for the aristocratic class that ruled over.

Well, I have a specific understanding of the

Asiatic motor production that

I recognize as contentious, but

it would

take too much time to get into right now.

But, you know, the, I don't think private property existed under the Incas.

Oh, you're actually correct.

Well, for the most part, there's a few coastal areas where, like, commerce actually

did exist.

But for the most part, you're correct.

Well, even in the case, I don't even think commerce

necessarily qualifies as private property.

I think private property is, begins

in, Rick, really the foundation of it

is the ability to alienate land freely.

And,

I can't, I can't tell you in this coastal areas, actually, I mean, most people probably couldn't, like in terms of the capital, like politically economy. But I do, for the most part, agree with you in terms of the Inca, or I think the actual name is like Tawaitanu. Sorry. My catch was very rusty.

And I think that

is true.

That's actually the norm for human history, actually, is

the absence of any

alienation in land or

any kind of sophisticated

understanding that there is private property.

I think throughout human history, even under various empires, and so it's kind of an absurd notion.

Like, the political sovereign is the sovereign over the entire world and use affront and, like, administrative rights and so on and so on.

These are how the usage of land was mainly understood among people.

But, like, to own the land, in the sense understood by like the, let's say Greek understanding of private property was very odd, actually.

Yeah, yeah, of course. I would say, though,

like,

I agree with land,

but in terms of labor,

like,

I think labor is very much

owned by the aristocratic class,

like the priestly class

and the Inca Empire.

Yes,

but you could also,

you could also interpret that as like,

um,

you could also very much interpret that as a, because we talk about aristocracy. We're talking about basically the Greek feudal landowners coming together, forming a constitution to create a state that enforces their right to private property, likelaves to do willy-nilly with it. Whereas the aristocracies that existed in the various so-called Asiatic Mosaic production could very well be called bureaucracies. You know, they enforced and reproduced a very centralized system of production.

That did give them, definitely gave them privileges.

It definitely gave them a very high status in standing within society, and they were venerated, and so on and so on, to a great extent.

They were like a nobility with respect to status, for sure.

But were they a aristocracy in the sense of having distinct private

interests that could be identified

economically through private property

I don't think so

maybe the tendencies were there for sure

which is why Michael Hudson talks about

in Babylonia and Egypt and so on.

There were cyclical processes of debt cancellation and so on, which was the king's way of keeping these tendencies at bay.

So it's such that, like, aristocrats could never actually rise to the point of challenging the central authority.

But the notion of like a contractual unity of private interests, I think there could be exceptions, of course, but really that that is recorded by history mainly as a Greek innovation, right?

Yeah, yeah, no, and I'm not trying to, like, I'm not trying to, like, suggest otherwise.

But, like, I think, like, you know, especially, like, when you're talking about debt and everything, like, I'm not trying to, like, suggest otherwise. But, like, I think, like, you know,

especially, like, when you're talking about debt and everything,

like, the concept of such didn't even exist

within the income. And I know, I know, right,

that, like, this is, like, obviously, a lot

of the ACB thing is debt jubilee. I think that's a very

good thing. Whatever. But, like,

uh, you know,

like the Inca system was built off of core of labor,

not necessarily an Asiatic

motor production.

In terms of like,

it was a very different

political economy

that like we're talking about

in like just this quote unquote

Asiatic motor production that Marks Engels analyzes. this quote unquote Asiatic motor production that Marks

Engels analyzes. Well the Asiatic

motor production is just a catch-all

basically for

the pretty much

all the civilizations and modes of productions

of mankind that were outside of this

very specific trajectory of the development

of private property right and so of course it doesn't refer to anything positively necessarily

there's like a set of shared characteristics that seems to be shared across all civilizations.

It's like saying like everyone has five hands, you know?

It's like, well, sure, but that doesn't really tell you a lot about the character of a person.

But nonetheless, yeah, they had five hands, the Incan societies.

There was a combination of a kind of centralized palatial system where the ownership of all things ultimately rested with the sovereign, right?

And... of all things ultimately rested with the sovereign, right? And in exchange for some kind of tributary system,

there was common infrastructure that was built.

Although I don't believe it was specifically hydraulic, right?

No, it was...

Yeah, it wasn't hydraulic.

Yeah.

Well, I think that's my thing is, like, right?

Like, what Marks and Ingalls analyzed, I think having this catch- of Asiatic Boer Production is a very bad catch-all.

Because what they're analyzing in China, especially, right, which is like what really Marx is talking about, is very different than what the Inca are doing.

And like, this is what Maria Taggi tries to get at.

And like, to call it, I guess, an Asiatic motor production when it is this aristocratic, you know, priesthood, which is what it was, right? But how is that different? Yeah. I know there's differences, but like, there was also a elite priesthood in Babylonia or Egypt, for example.

Yeah, so I can talk more about the Egyptian side. I don't know as much about Avalon, genuinely.

But Egyptian side, right, did utilize

this, like, quote-unquote,

venerated labor that was still

paid or even, like, enslaved labor.

Like, through my knowledge, the Inca did

not actually have either of this.

In terms of, like, that is a very different thing in terms of like it was this force corvy labor in terms of being a part of the empire and like obviously like this is where we have like the Quechua people this is where we we have the IMAO people. There's a lot

of different peoples within the Inca Empire

that are brought within this

realm of this non-comodity

corvy labor for these like infrastructural projects,

especially roads.

The key thing is that Egypt and Babylonia

were extensive hubs of trade,

and it seems like the Inkins were not

mercantile. That's not true.

The Inca, the Inca, actually,

we have evidence that they have trade

with even the, like, Mexican

cultures. We have artifacts from them to where, like, have trade with even the like Mexican cultures

we have artifacts from them

to where like they are trading

with these cultures it's just in a very

different capacity

I mean obviously in some ways

in Egypt you the principle of

integration within Egypt and Babylonia was first trade between decentralized temples, so to speak, and city states or whatever, which were then reunified, were then unified by way of conquest. I'm not sure if there's the same dynamic going on with the Incas where first you had these different economic hubs or temples or whatever that were, that were like sources of local trade and so on that eventually unified.

And I don't know if that's really the story I mean I don't know I really don't know yeah I actually can't tell you that either because like all I all I know is the Inca were relatively new empire when the Spanish are like I think the Inca form around 1470.

Yeah.

So, like, there are very new formation. Anyway, I got to bring other people on, but I will note your thoughts.

I mean, I have to read more about the topic for sure.

But I still really like Peru, and I like the interesting ideas that come out of it.

So there's somebody who's talking about Zulu, the guy who got destroyed.

You must be like a cult member if you think that there's even a single point they prevailed on or could even articulate at my expense in that debate. It must be like a sad copium cult member or something

who's still coping and shitting your pants

to this day

where do the alternatives

come from

where do the alternatives

why are there different things in the universe that alternatives come from? Where do the alternatives?

Why are there different things in the universe?

That's truly just because of choice, right?

The differences between things only is because of choice.

Who are we going to bring up?

Fizzizz go ahead What? Hello?

Yeah.

Can you hear me?

Yeah.

Hey, so I have a question.

I'm not, I'm not communist, but I'm communist curious, and I am a very religious person.

And I was reading about Lenin and some of his 1905 essays where he basically had laid out that nothing, even like, if your religion

shouldn't come before the revolution. And I'm wondering where the ACP has their stance on,

freedom of religion, you know, when revolution does happen or when you are partaking in that,

is there any room for your religion?

Things like being a conscious objector, things like being a conscientious objector, things like that.

Yeah, we fully support, not only support religious freedom, but we believe in a new dialogue between religious believers and communists.

NRG, what's up, man?

Appreciate you.

So we

I mean, most of the members of my party

are Christian, religious Christians.

If that means anything anything they are like very

much in even if they're

not Christians they're very much inspired by the

Christian faith

so we don't it's it's a kind

of For me

I understand where you're coming from

Because you know

You read about it in the history

But for us it's kind of always a strange question

Because our party is

Quite

In terms of the relationship to religion

It's like well it's quite religious actually we don't enforce it i was

just wondering where you where you might um differ from lennon in that in that uh belief well lenin was

living in the time when religion was primarily associated

with

the institution

of religion which was very much

worldly and it was very much

embedded in the world and

there was also this shock between modernity, modern science, and so on and so on with conventional habits of belief, let's call them that.

And so to really arrive at the essence of religion,

the real spiritual core

was

never something that people thought about when they thought about religion.

They were thinking about something much more on the surface.

Okay.

So, like, would you say that

Stalin's time, because I

didn't know that Stalin got picked to

be at a monastery, he was actually

trained to be an Orthodox priest for a time

until he left.

Do you think that influenced his political beliefs? Or did he

completely eschew those and reject it? Like, is there that big... I mean, mean look i think 99% of religion is really unconscious it's not even

conscious so that always stuck stuck with him the religious belief is something in the heart it's not

something you can reduce to the mind so to speak

okay yeah i was just always uh very curious about that um because i know the places like the soviet union

and um china got pretty harsh on religion at some points and relaxed and others.

Well, also, you got to understand this was never fully top-down thing that was going on.

There were so many different dynamic

tendencies among the people and trends

and stuff and it's like, think of all

the trends that exist in our society, like memes

and stuff. And not all of it's top down. Sometimes these things

just gain traction, they happen, And then the state is forced to respond in some way. Sometimes the state responded with a lot of disapproval. Stalin was very disapproving of the ways in which the beliefs of religious people were being offended by local activists and stuff.

And then sometimes the state would just kind of acquiesce and be like, okay, we'll turn on, we'll tacitly, um,

Yeah, they turn a blind eye to those things yeah yeah exactly

and then you know so it's not always

black and white

but from the top down was

the only time that from the top down

I think there was a kind of aggressive attempt

to crack on religion

was actually under Khrushche actually under Khrushchev.

Under Khrushchev, they did,

because Stalin did so much to open the church up,

under Khrushchev, part of the de-Stalinization campaign

was actually cracking down on the church.

Yeah, especially in the eastern, yeah, I do know that, especially in the eastern block in Ukraine, Eastern Orthodox Church. You know, they got a little testy there. You know, one of my big, I guess my main question is, um, as a Christian, where does, if you want to be a good communist and a good Christian, where does your priority lie? Is there room for somebody in a communist revolution

who says that

my

communism is subordinate

to my Christianity or are those

two basically the same thing? Like if you want to be a good Christian

you have to be a good communist. I think I'll speak for the, I think I can speak for the majority of the Christians in my party. I think they think it's the same thing. You know, you want to apply Christianity and practice and live by those principles and apply them to the troubles of the world today

and it points to communism for them you know yeah if you think your religion is correct and if

you think it's the um the way, then there's no

better way to do that than to be a good

communist and to

enforce those things

through the state. I guess that makes sense.

Well, for sure, man. It was good talking

and this guy,

I don't know

you're trying to

rage me

he goes

my party

it should be

our party

I don't know

I've never know

if that's rage

but every time

I was like

yeah my party

they're like

oh your party

it's like so when you say my country, does that mean you're claiming that you own the entire country just yourself?

Or if you say like, my neighborhood or something, like, oh, the whole neighborhood belongs to you it's like what kind of

crazy haz likes bombachi based on what when based on what you literally just made that up

congratulations for making that up it's like the meet that I love spreading disinformation meme.

Yeah, good job.

Swag, go ahead.

Oh, hi, Haas.

It's nice to talk to you.

I'm writing a paper, actually, a historiographical paper

looking at North Korea's nuclear

development program. I don't know.

I don't know why everyone thinks I'm just

willing to talk about anything. Go ahead.

NET. Yeah, so

why is your ideology made by a Jew?

Why is...

Are you Christian?

No, I'm not.

Okay.

What are you?

Yeah, I'm an atheist.

Okay, you're an atheist.

All right.

You come from a Christian family?

I'm pretty sure, yeah.

Majority of people in your country are Christian or no?

If you want to put you at U.S., yes.

Okay.

And where does Christianity originate?

I don't know.

I'm a atheist.

I know how it's the Christianity.

Yeah, but that's where your civilization comes from.

So where does that come from?

Why does this hold to an argument about Marxism?

Because you asked, well, Marxism comes from a Jew.

Well, where does Christianity come from?

It is.

Okay, where does Christianity?

Okay, who founded Christianity?

I don't know.

I don't hold to Christianity.

You don't know who founded Christianity?

I don't know.

This is an economic system.

We're not talking about religion. Okay. What economic system. We're not talking about religion.

Okay. What do you mean? You are talking about religion. Judaism. I'm not talking about...

Judaism is primarily a religion. That's the marker of distinction. Judaism, right? The whole reason there's ever been any kind of Jq is because of religion from the very beginning so

wait do you think wait do you think the jews are the ones that do you think that the only reason

why jesus is like here is because of the jews he was a jew he was a jew paul was a jew he was no he was

not the founders of the christian religion were ex-Jews.

They were Jews.

Okay.

All right.

But anyways, can we just get back to the topic about how the claw marks was a Jew now?

Okay.

So was Paul.

So was St. Paul.

So was St.

Peter. So was Jesus. Why would I care? Why do I care if Fox was Jewish? Okay, yeah, cool. Then why was 30 million Christians, it, uh, genocide at the Soviet Union during Lenin's term or during the Soviet's term. If you care

about Christians so much, why do you support this?

And do you know the Soviets were

a atheist, right? They don't hold to Christianity.

But you just made that number up.

Really? Yeah.

Really? Yep. Let's go through the demographic. Do? Yeah. Really?

Yep.

Let's go through the demographic.

You want to go this?

Let's go through the population statistics and demographic data.

I got you.

I have a whole article for it too.

Okay.

Make sure you cite primary sources.

When you say 30 million.

30 million, really really he's going to share a meme he got on X. No, I'm not using X.

Okay.

What are you using as your source?

Yeah.

What's your source?

What's your source?

What's I use for this argument?

What's your source?

You're cutting out.

GTV Flyers.com.

I don't know what the hell that is.

What's their source?

Yeah, their source is historical text. Why can't we just go through the demographic data and actually count the population?

Where are you getting 30 million?

Who could possibly have measure a 30 million?

Tell me.

Yeah, why are you rocking out?

Because it's an insult to everyone's intelligence here.

How could it have been 30 million?

How is it an insult to everyone's intelligence?

But you're saying that so that communism adores Christianity when your country,

not country, your ideology is basically founded for, uh, bounded by Jews and founded that they passed more

anti-Semitism laws than this country today.

The Jew in question is Karl Marx.

Hold on. They didn't have any special anti-Semitism

law. Are you dead? Are we dead ass?

I am dead ass.

I'll bet you 5,000 on it.

Bet.

I bet.

Name me a single, cite me wearing the Soviet constitution.

Why didn't let it pass more anti-Semitism laws in today's current government of the U.S.

He didn't even pass one.

He did not pass one.

Okay, so he didn't pass one.

Not even one.

The only law

under which anti-Semitism could fall under

was the discrimination against people for racial or religious reasons.

Okay, then why did he make it illegal for people to criticize Jews then?

It was never illegal to criticize Jews.

It was illegal to carry out pogroms, which Red Army people were doing, so they

had to put a stop to it, because Red Army

detachments

were literally

going into Jewish villages and

yeah, and they were part of the Red Army.

So when the leadership found out,

they were like, okay, we got to stop that.

That's not what we believe in, right?

So that's what they banned. They banned violence.

They banned mob violence against Jewish people,

which was very widespread, even on the communist

side. Okay?

So because of that, I's a, I'm against violence.

I'm against, it doesn't mean, you know, you know, anti-Semitism laws.

It has nothing to do with what the shit they're trying to do right now with anti-Semitism laws.

They were just trying to prevent mob violence and disorder and rowdiness and violence, you know.

It's completely what a civilized leadership would do in a chaotic environment.

So you're a Marxist. Do you support Maoism, by the way?

Yeah. What was Mao also Jewish?

No, it's just retard.

Go to China and see what Chinese people think of Mao. How about that?

Yeah, Mao, the fact that Dongeng Xiaoping had an open economic liberalization to disable the

There would have been no benefits from the Deng Xiaoping reform had it not been for Mow's

Also, mind you, the fact that under Mao's greatly programmed, their fertile rate and the growth rate were down extremely low.

For the three years, for three years of, okay, I had to remove you because my live got restricted because of him. That's great.

Yeah, these people just

cannot help themselves.

People talk about the Great League Forward as a total failure because of the three years, the three bad years.

So 59, 60, 61, where there was a drought, unprecedented in China's history.

There was a famine, which we call's history. There was a famine,

which we call a famine, but the mortality rate per capita

was still less than India's, capitalist

indias. But

in any case, the long-term effects of the

Great Leap Forward laid the foundation

for Deng Xiaoping's reforms.

China had been industrializing at a steady pace even before Deng Xiaoping, but it was the common

infrastructure and specifically the hydraulic power that the Great Leap Forward created, which made the industrialization under the reform

and opening up even possible in the first place because they had taken for granted a shared

infrastructure. There's no possibility of market reforms that are effective without shared

infrastructure, and that's what

the greatly forward primarily created uh bring in uh so many people here was go ahead uh um i wanted to debate you on the

America's not being occupied by British

bourgeoisie is being occupied by

masons and

independents who force

I don't care.

Heaven, go ahead.

What?

What?

So, I recently discovered that you're also... What? So I

recently discovered that you're also

a fellow sheer brother

and I just wanted to

ask you how like

Carl, go ahead.

Hello.

Do you hear me? Yeah.

Okay, awesome.

Do you have like a topic that you're discussing or?

Not really.

Is it like is it just Marxism or for example?

Like I'm pretty sure you're like pro Russia or we can talk about Marxism, which would you prefer?

Are you just clip farming?

If you want to have a debate, can schedule one but no what no i thought

you're looking for debates what you mean clip farming we can we can schedule a proper debate if you want to have a

proper debate well i want to have a proper debate.

I mean, we can just talk right now.

It's 2.30 a.m. and I'm trying to go to bed.

I don't want to talk to you for two hours, to be honest.

You seem like a big account.

You seem like you want to have a serious debate.

We can schedule one.

Well, I'd be more than happy to have a longer discussion if you'd like.

But, okay.

Yeah, let's do it Thursday.

Or not Thursday. Yeah, Thursday.

How about Thursday?

Maybe. We can message each other, yeah?

Okay, yeah, sure.

Okay, here. I'll give you a fault.

All right.

Okay, well, have a good night.

Yep, see you.

Okay.

Guys, these are going to be like 30 second debates. I'm not like, I'm i'm not trying to stay on i'm just trying to get through all the people you already yo what's up so i'm gonna make the case for marxist black pill

you literally have twenty seconds to say something interesting or you're going

all right nineteen so

for one

there's the uh... home oeconomics problem

and and this is where because because men are expected to provide, there's this dynamic.

What that's going to mean is that when there's an economic bust and the guys can't provide, they can't spoil or whatever, this is going to mean that's going to produce insales

at the bottom.

Can I give you a tip?

If you

are just fun to be around, women

will love you, you know? Just be like fun to be around women will love you you know just be like fun to be around like

just be fun and enjoyable to be around stop being so serious and overthinking it and talk

kept doing all these fucking calculations in your head they don't care about that, I promise. Just be a good person to be around.

Like, be just fun to be around. Just be entertaining. Be funny. Just be like a jit. And if you can't do that do that i mean you probably have a terrible social life in

general and you know so you have a lot of issues just just genuinely have fun be fun you know

you know?

You know?

You don't have to overthink all this stuff about... You don't need a lot of money.

You don't. I promise you don't.

Imperial, go ahead.

What's up, man?

Can you tell me why the Italian communists sabotaged the actual anti-capitalists and sided with capitalists?

The Italian who? Communists. The Italian communists. Why did they sided with actual capitalists over anti-capitalists? They didn't.

So can you explain to me why the SRI was constantly being sabotaged by Italian Marxists?

Uh, I refresh my memory. White List, what's up? The SRI?

Yeah, social Italian Republic. Ah, the's up? The SRI. Yeah, social

Italian Republic. Ah, the Mussolini Larp Republic in the final years.

Well, no, what Mussolini left after.

The Bombachi. Yeah, the Bobacci Mussolini Larp Republic in the final

hours, where Mussolini basically realized he was cornered. He had to do it 180 to try as

best as he can to pander to the Italian communists who were imminently going to depose him the parties.

That's not true. Yeah, it is. No, that's not true throughout the regime

the whole purpose of it was

he was already

being overwhelmed

by the Italian public

and masses who had been fed up

with the capitalistic

dictatorship under Mussolini

so he opportunistically tried to kind of it's kind of

like you know it's like when Hillary Clinton tried to adopt Bernie's politics you know it's like

I mean one for one the same thing you know I mean maybe they're's... One for one, the same thing, you know?

I mean, maybe they're like two different things, but I guess.

But, like, most of the Italian public was on the side of Mussolini and even to the point of Bombachi.

I don't think so.

I think that they were rapidly turning against him, and this was his way of trying to save himself.

But how so? Because most of the Marxists that, for example, assassinated Gentile, hung Mussolini, even the actual Marxists within these communities later stated that they regretted actually sending him like unaliving Gentile, unaliving. I don't think they all said that, but the reason they were so brutal in their vengeance against the fascists is because that's what the fascists did in the 20s.

They were brutal. The fascists didn't do that. What?

Yeah, they were brutal.

They were, they absolutely were on some big shit.

Like, okay, we're just gonna be on some gangsterism type of shit.

And the communists and the third

they were waiting for their moment to hit them back

most of the violent

what's it called

historical documents that are being perpetuated

against the fascists at the time

were being perpetuated by Mateoists at the time were being perpetuated by

Mateotti's government.

And even then, after that

they were real, they would go into the countryside and attack

farmers

and they would attack

socialists and unionists and communists.

They would throw grenades in the home

I'm assuming you're talking about the Poe Valley

I'm talking about the black shirts

and what they would do

no I understand but specifically are you talking about

the Poe Valley?

Maybe

okay well overall i i heavily disagreed because even at the on the exit of the war i guess you could say in

1944 the italian public especially in the north was still very uh anti-West. And when I mean anti-West, I mean

not anti-Western ideals, but anti-capitalists compared to like the United States, Britain, France.

They wanted to protect every land they own. That's why, like for example

majority of the Italian

public was against, what was it?

It was, I forget, someone

reminded me, it was

the king of Savoy and

I don't remember the other guy's

name, but it was a general that saw...

Why is it that in the continuity between the fascists and the Cold War, they were operationalized by NATO in the P2 Masonic Lodge and the Gladiow operations.

Well, they were just skin suited.

Like, for example,

if you look in France with the

communist movement, you know, Marist

Torres and stuff, sorry, French.

Are you familiar with

Maristores?

You have to say it in English. Sorry, Maurice Torres. I apologize.

I sound familiar, yeah.

He was a Communist Party member that was leading the French communists on the side of the Gaulle or against de Gaulle and he wanted to actually usurp the French government and join the common turn. However, most of the Marxists...

There was no common turn under de Gaul. What are you talking about?

No, no, no, no. no sorry maybe you're not tracking but

common turn we understand is in the east marist ores wanted to join the common turn the gall

there wasn't is there you mean the warsaw pact or what are sorry the the common turn in the Warsaw Pact, the Warsaw Pact just evolved from that.

But Maurice Orez wanted to join the Warsaw Pact afterwards.

He wanted to immediately abolish the capital state of France and join it.

But most Marxists that operated in Free France at the time of liberation sided with the Western capitalists. That's why their party, a lot of their members, which are getting suited. If I understand it correctly, the main impetus of the French new right and far right was wanting to preserve the colonial uh holdings in algeria and elsewhere right it was partially de gall was not like the French new right was primarily

wanting to focus on Algeria

but giving like extreme

autonomy to the rest of the territories

de Gaul wanted to prioritize France itself

but yeah somewhat

well de Gaul it's not that they had a priority it's the algerian resistance was giving

the french army a lot of trouble they only gave that much trouble after because the gall

promised well i mean the previous government promised them freedom in exchange for help

and liberation of france de gall at first basically just outright refused after the liberation but

had to afterwards when they started resisting extremely. Yeah.

So, well, in any case, there, yeah, I know that there are elements of the European New Right, who eventually adopted a stance that seemed like it was sympathetic to the USSR.

But in any case, the problem

was that

I just see the effective

continuity in practice was

mainly just gladio, NATO's

deep state operations.

The continuity between fascism and...

Well, fascism has always been about rejecting.

I mean, like, when we look at like the fascist growth in Italy, we understand that they wanted to abolish the southern nobility.

They wanted to abolish the southern landowners

and the entrenched nobility in the north.

The families that were controlling the majority

of the issues. All I see from the

actions of fascists was the

you're talking about in the post-war period, their pre-war period?

Post-World War I, yeah.

This is after Mussolini got ousted from the socialist party.

Yeah, I don't see any

effective practical examples of that.

Practical examples of what, being anti-capitalist?

Yeah, because I tell you the italian communist

party genuinely had a chance of winning that absolutely rattled the landowners and the

various cartels within italy did everything they could to stop it that's not true matthiote

constantly uh constantly undermined them and absurd all their it. That's not true. Mateyoti constantly undermine them

and absurd

all their members.

Like, for example,

Gramsci

even criticized

Mateotti's government

for being too lenient

and working with the landowners.

The Italian Communist Party

never won.

No, no, I understand that. They have, I'm not... The post-war period, the Italian Communist Party never won. No, no, no, I understand that.

I'm talking on the postwar period,

the Italian Communist Party was very close to winning.

Are you talking about post for World War I or World War I?

World War II.

Oh, okay, maybe I get any of my continuity.

Yeah.

Yeah, so they were really close, but the Soviets themselves actually abandoned the Italian

Communist Party by throwing their entire lot against the fascists because they didn't

wanted their power possible.

So instead of supporting them,

they supported the liberal government almost by to crush any potential fascist uprising.

When,

what period are you talking about?

I'm talking about post-World War II.

Post-World War II.

Well, no,

the Italian,

it was the CIA that had to work against the Italian

communists by propping up former fascist elements and interests, the same ones that propped up

the fascist government. Same thing was in Germany. And the Italian communist had a genuine

electoral chance of winning. And the U.S. and the Italian communists had a genuine electoral

chance of winning and

the US considered it an existential

threat. It was one of the

key moments of the beginning of the Cold War.

I'm not

actually disagreeing with the CIA

attempted to change it in the perspective of the Western allies, I guess he could say. But the Soviets did nothing to actually aid the Italian communists like they did in like the Eastern Europe. Yeah, but they also didn't really do much to aid the greeks they didn't do much to aid uh

well yeah that's a whole other thing their policy yeah because in the post or period the soviet policy

was that they didn't want to export do anything to export communism at all. They wanted to focus on

securing the

security of the Soviet Union itself.

And they

wanted actually, they did genuinely

believe in a partnership with the United States

as much as they... But wasn't that

a failure?

Yeah, it was. It was. But they believed in it earnestly because under Roosevelt, I think there was a chance of it.

But wouldn't this just be supporting capitalists

in general? Like, how?

Because Roosevelt had a complicated relationship with the established international capitalist

class.

I'm not saying he was outside of them fully, but he had a very complicated relationship

with them.

He mainly represented these up-and-coming light industry tycoons who were being gate-kept

by the kind of entrenched heavy industry plus financial capitalists who were more represented

by Britain.

There was a tension there for sure throughout Roosevelt's entire presidency, but when he died, Truman, who is, like, directly an agent of...

Yeah, we're going to agree with that, yeah.

Yeah, he's like, you know, Truman basically um,

took over and he,

you know.

Well,

he was basically a picked successor after Roosevelt died,

but,

uh,

he had a lot of connections with,

for example,

uh,

Morgenthau,

uh, the head financier, the Treasury.

But this just leads to my point that the Soviet Union, rather than attempting to export

the revolution and even abandoning China by formulating more of a national doctrine over

actually outlying with actual fellow anti-capitalists.

They abandoned this world revolution. They allied with capitalists.

I think you're dealing with two separate things. One is that the socialism in one country view where you're not trying to export revolution was correct but the

problem with the post-war soviet foreign policy is that it basically um tried to impose a very dogmatic

understanding of Marxism, Leninism, to other communists throughout the world, and was very mistrustful of more of the creative, you know, in China, for example, ways in which that was being articulated and um

they very much they very much um really restored the significance of social democracy in a lot of ways, and it's kind of

stagist understanding of, we don't necessarily want you to adopt full-on Marxism, Leninism,

communism, we would prefer these kind of people's democracies which have an ambiguous relationship to communism, but which are led by progressive elements who support the Soviet Union's interests interests and simultaneously you know eventually will prepare

the necessary you know conditions for communist take over but wouldn't but wouldn't this oppose

but the so it's put a very high standard upon like what are the sufficient conditions for communist parties to actually like be in power in a lot of ways like they didn't by facilitating social democratic governments what yeah they

yeah they didn't think that these countries

were ready for what Russia had in

1917 so you're

telling me Stalin

changed his position ever since like

thalman in like the early

20th, the late 20s early 30s when it can do a third period where

he thought that you know yes the demise of capitalism is imminent worldwide is of 1929 and now

we're in a period of like revolutionary change uh yeah they moved away from that view for the end of the 30s okay so but we can agree that that was a bad position to take?

Um, I can't, though.

I think there was wisdom in it, but I think it just needed to be taken to more of a logical conclusion.

And I think that's what Mao actually did.

I think Mao, Mao didn't reject the popular front

but he did take it to its logical conclusion

which ended up being even more revolutionary

than...

I'm not disagreeing with that, yeah. I actually

admire how Mao kind of

grew the revolution

and especially with its cultural revolution.

My only kind of upset is more with the Soviet Union on its exportation in its

fear of Trotskyites and of fascists.

It abandoned its mission of being

anti-capitalist to destroy

their Trotskyite enemies

and

fascism.

Yeah, but, you know, I'm

glad you understand the connection between the trotskyites and fascism

because it was very real oh i don't think i'm not saying that i'm not saying that i don't think

it came at the expense of anti-capitalism is Soviets were correct in understanding

you can't impose anti-capitalism

you can't export it, you can't impose it

That's not true

I mean you can't wage a crusade against global capitalism

That's not true I think the germans did it the italians did it

hell the soviet even did it germans waged a huge adventure to promise bankers in wall street that they're going to pay off the original debt from the... This is the

vampire economy myth. This is not

true. This is something that was

debunked. Who debunked?

I believe here, I'll pull it up for you.

But I know... Don't go anything up

because no one's pulling anything up right now. Just say

who you think... i have the book

here somewhere the myel marks and the entire german military uh industrial complex was based in debt and the only way the debt could be paid off was from the resources

that were plundered from Eastern Europe. But that was only on condition that it would be paid

to the Western powers, which they were just defaulted anyways. We look at, for example, in the Soviet

Union with the NEP. They weren't fully defaulted because the Germans continued paying the Bank of International settlements throughout the entire war. They paid them off in 1938 and the restress would defaulted. No, no, no, no. You're talking

about a restructuring of the debt

such that it wouldn't be a direct

payment. Well, the bankers into Germany

assumed it. I understand

where you're going towards. But the Bank

of International Settlements continue

to be the medium

from which the converted form

of the original Versailles debt

was being repaid.

And a lot of this also comes from the Dawes

plan. So the Dawes plan

in the early

30s, late 20s,

was Wall Street's way of building up German industry in its entirety, basically.

And that was a way to convert the original Versailles debt.

So it was never fully repudiated or liquidated. And by the time Hitler claimed it was, it was basically symbolic and ceremonial because by that time, that specific debt had already been converted through the Dawes plan. But even so,

majority of these debts

that are financed through international

capitalism were assumed

by the German government and German bankers,

which were eventually just nationalized and held by

the German government. I don't want to sound like it's a Ponzi

scheme, but it wasn't...

It wasn't... They weren't nationalized, and they continued being paid throughout the war.

Germany continued paying the Bank of International settlements throughout...

While it was fighting Britain and America, it was still paying them through the bank of international settlements

can you give me like an example on how they were able to pay because not to i don't want to

be that guy but if you're at war with your if you're at war

switzerland yes through the swiss swiss were just doing trade that was the swiss had nothing to do

with the german economy that was the neutral country where the settlements or in the meetings

for the bank of international settlements were being held and Germans

were part of it and so were the allies

Americans and British.

How would, for example,

how would the allied powers

be able to take on

or at least continue to retrieve

this debt that they were being paid if they were literally

blockading the germans across the north sea switzerland had no naval access post 1940 um because the

germans were looting a lot of wealth and resources from eastern europe but how are they funding them to the allied powers that's my question they were paying them in the bit through the how how would they pay how would they pay because remember we don't have electronic transfers back then

i don't want to sound like that guy but but for example through switzerland the

the there is i don't know specifically like what how the money trucks were being sent or whatever but

they were they were being paid i mean there would you would have to like show me like a pathway

because last time i checked britain had its entire navy blockading the mediterranean

and the north sea like there would be no way that the germans would even be able to give

even if they wanted to pay off the stead the the allied powers would just bomb those those ships

well you can just chat gbt it because they were yeah i mean

they were my my point that's like kind of like going around this is that the italians and the germans

declared war on most of the capitalist powers within the West. You can argue

it's expansion, you can argue it's for

looting, it does not matter.

This proves that these powers were able

pre-nuclear bomb

to actually invade

capitalist countries, take them over.

What happened is the Germans had several opportunities to launch a ground invasion of Britain, never did.

That's not true. No, that's not true.

Hitler even lied to Stalin in a letter

making excuses for why he didn't

invade the British Isles

and what he told Stalin

in the letter

he said something that I actually think was true

but he pretended like it wasn't you know he wanted he said something that I actually think was true.

But he pretended like it wasn't, you know, he wanted nothing to do with it. It wasn't as well.

He said there are aristocratic ties between various German officers who have high rankings in a German army who have ties to the British aristocracy,

and this level of brotherhood and solidarity prevents them from any kind of willingness to invade the British Isles.

Because he had to make an excuse for why at the time the Germans would not invade the British Isles?

That's not entirely true.

Because the Germans during the war

had to have a plan. They'd use

their Falchmega and they used

an operation called Operation

Sea Lion as a potential to invade the British Isles.

I'm talking about a specific moment in the war before Barbarossa.

Yeah, I know. Post-Crant.

It was a, no, it was a very specific opening that they had to do it and they wouldn't do it.

The battle of- Because Hitler believed there could be a quick resolution in the war with Germany so that he could focus on the Soviet Union.

Yeah, it was- He didn't want to draw out the war with the British

too long

and by the way

it was kind of

implicitly

acknowledged by both sides

why

because at no point

did the Allies

open up a Western

Front

the British I mean and the American um the british i mean i don't really know what the stage sat i'm soviets were lobbying them

to hell and back to open a western front and they would not do it soviets appreciated the limited support they were getting from America and Britain,

and they were technically allies during the war, but they weren't very good allies,

because good allies would actually relieve...

See, the conditional degree of a lot

it was such a

disreputable alliance that the British and Americans

were giving the Soviets because

they were watching mainly to see

what's going to happen like

when the Soviets proved they could carry, you know, their own weight, then the kind

of politicians in Washington and London were like, okay, well, the Soviets have a fighting

chance.

And we will, you know, support them to that extent.

Initially, they were like, everyone believed the Soviet Union is going to be destroyed immediately.

And then once the Soviets were fighting the heaviest, they were like, okay, open a Western Front.

All the conferences, all the meetings they would have, open West Front.

They wouldn't open a Western Front.

Well, this is a more important.

It was like, D-Day only happened because they knew the Soviets were coming to Berlin

and would have taken all of Germany, right?

Yeah, and I'm not disagreeing that they were

attempting to loot off the rest of the corpse

that the Germans were kind of like spilling all over.

The point I'm trying

to make, and maybe

the war with the Soviet Union was very

much

kind of a bad

take, I guess the best way you can say

it, but it, the

Germans were able to successfully invade capitalist countries using you can say it but it the day the germans were

able to successfully invade capitalist

countries using pure force of well

no they didn't they didn't though

they didn't invade capitalist countries what they

did is that they fought

they invaded France

they took them out in like a month they took them out in like a month invaded France not much of...

They took them out in like a month.

Yeah, it wasn't much of

you know, France

and the Vichy...

Compared to the First World War?

How long that took? France didn't even put up a fight. That's the thing.

Okay, that's not true.

That's not true. And I'm French, so maybe

it's ethnic grievance, but

no, that's not true.

But, I mean, this is like a whole...

I mean, this is not...

Put up a real fight.

I mean, maybe

this is, maybe like we're nitpicking there.

My point is just that

the Germans were able to invade

a capitalist country of France that hold

held a lot of finance capital within

the world.

No, but the center was always London, not France.

I'm not disagreeing, yeah.

I'm not disagreeing.

And that's why the Germans tried to bomb them into submission,

or I don't know if it's banned in the U.S., sorry.

France could have put up much more of a fight than it did,

and the reason it didn't put up more of a fight than it did

is because it lacked the incentive in terms of the ruling classes

within France to resist.

Well, they resist

they most of their generals were just

I mean their plan was the marginal

line the marginal line was able

to it was successful it's just that

you know when you invade through another

nation's kind of

the story in France is really complicated

because they had a popular front government

there was various elements within France

who were scared of

communism there's so many complicated things

that yeah there's a lot

of there's a lot of confusing

things about a French thing it's more that the french

government was sabotaging uh the communist party within france consistently and when uh they

eventually surrendered most of the the higher up bourgeois and the upper class escaped leaving the communists to just kind of lead, just kind of stay and get persecuted.

But my problem was that when they returned, rather than attempting to build their own state like in the

russian revolution or at least utilizing some control they allied immediately west western

capitalists and then that's why they failed in their endeavor to building a communist country in

france we see this the same thing in Italy.

Like when Sicily was first landed into the mafia, which were utilizing with

communist members within the South, as well as...

Oh, he said it's 3 a.m. So I got to actually wrap this up.

Okay, well, yeah. Anyway, I'm just going to go, I guess.

So, uh, Jesus Christ, it's 3 a.m.

Who's, who's requesting? All right. Did I already brought on Elizabeth,

the crazy grandma.

All right.

Since it's going to be my last one.

All right,

literally 15 seconds.

Go ahead.

What's up?

What's up?

What?

I want to debate about Cambodians and Zabwe.

All right, go ahead, Antonio.

Good night.

That's it?

Yeah.

Well, okay, I'm wrapping it up.

All right, guys, I'm going to go to bed.

I'm going to eat and go to bed.

It's so late.

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See you, uh, Thursday.

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