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this is the first time i've got i've

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that's what we're going to be dealing

with and then today

today's stream is not there's not a lot

of going to be dilly dallying today okay

we're not going to spend a lot of

today's stream dilly dallying we are

going to spend a substantial portion of

this stream getting to the meat and

potatoes

of what is an absolutely disgusting and

shocking

revelation coming from the communist

party of canada

which i need to bring to your guys's

attention

okay

and

thank you um

thank you uh

i thank you so much man i appreciate you

down with the cpcb come party of canada

bay zuo absolutely thank you so much man

and the extent of this rotten corruption

and the stench of this corruption it's

gonna make you sick to your fucking

stomach

by the end of today's stream and i am

honored to be exposing this shit and

blowing the fucking lid off of it

uh just because

there's a pervasive culture of

corruption

plaguing western communism and western

communist parties in general right and

we're starting to discover a lot of

things and i i don't just want to give

you a picture of what's going on in

terms of just the receipts even though i

have a lot of that and we're going to

get into a lot of that i also want to

give you an explanation for why this

fucking corruption is happening and the

corruption is happening for a very

simple reason

they are cynically abusing and

weaponizing these sacred parties these

communist parties

to fulfill their own pathological ends

because they don't even believe in them

they don't believe in communism they

don't believe in marxism leninism they

don't believe in the cause they don't

believe in fighting for the working

class they're corrupt complacent scum

who decide to take some indulgences and

take some liberties abusing their power

in order to sexually assault some

comrades

they have no fucking these are the same

people that call me in cells and shit

you know why they call me an insult and

shit because i don't prey on comrades

he

i believe in man should be thrown to the

dogs

a man can't fucking use his ideological

credentials

uh to try and satisfy his most primal

urges okay a man's gotta put himself out

there

and play the game like everybody else

and you know

you know i'm not even just saying you in

terms of fucking or whatever i'm saying

in terms of you have to make friends and

you have to establish relationships on

the merits of your personality you can't

fucking use communism you can't fucking

use your marxist leninist ideology as a

as a fucking crotch with

which you satisfy your personal

whether it's because you want friends or

you want a relationship or anything else

it's fucking pathetic it's fucking

pathetic

a comrade isn't a friend a comrade is a

fighter a communist is a fighter

a fighter

doesn't

of fighters are not looking at each

other

if we if me and you are in a communist

party

the relation isn't this

no i'm not staring at you we are both

staring at a common goal and that's why

we're fighting toward that goal that's

what it means to be a comrade

you're fighting for that goal

in the same army

we're not just sitting here holding

hands and going

you want to go do that go go

go go outside the party to do that shit

that's not what a party's for

that's not what what a communist party

is for

period

okay

and i'm gonna go on a big rant i mean

i'm gonna get into this shit i'm gonna

really get into this shit okay but

before i get into that shit i just want

to remind everybody that we read as hell

today on a motherfucking wednesday red

as hell like mr krabs you know what i

mean i'm getting that tan in and i mean

getting that tannin grinding every day

the grind don't stop

the work don't stop working every day

writing my shit on my motherfucking

laptop

you know what i mean

is what it is i'm red as hell this bitch

and i got shit in my nose that i have to

blow out so i'll be right back

good morning revolution good morning

revolution

good morning revolution good morning

revolution a lot of people just don't

really have their motivation straight

for wanting to be involved in communist

parties so these communist parties have

given rise to a culture of selling

indulgences and accumulating and

acquiring social capital as a

replacement

for

principled

and disciplined commitment to the

fulfillment of a cause

and i'm a i'm a deng xiaoping marxist

leninist you know what that means

motherfucker i believe in throwing

motherfuckers to the dogs i believe in

success i believe in a vision of a

communist party where each club competes

with each other to get more

supporters and voters for local

candidates and everybody you gotta do it

based on skill like some darwinian shit

ruthless meritocracy just like in china

what they did after deng's reforms

that's what i believe in for the

communist party i believe in a ruthless

meritocracy nobody gets to acquire any

social capital you

work

your stature and your powers based on

your work

if you're preying on people in your own

fucking party

you're not working for the masses you're

not working for the party you're not

working you're sitting idly by

collecting some fucking virtue signaling

recognition why because these

motherfuckers are saying all the right

things um we are against bigotry and and

we are against um ablyism and we are all

that shit right and then they just

that's all they have to do and then in

their spare time they're going to start

praying on fellow members

and motherfuckers start creeping on

their fellow members because they're not

working because they're not working

cause they're not working

they're not working like steve estrada

is working you understand they're not

working like steve estrada steve estrada

that dude works that's a worker that's

somebody who worked for their party

steve estrada's campaign those are

people who worked long beach

communist party those are people who

worked they worked

they did the work

they don't got time for that bullshit

because they work you understand the

difference

and they accomplish something

you think taryn accomplishes things she

don't accomplish shit the terran faction

of the party uh both in canada and this

and in the fucking united states the

terran people they don't work the terran

people collect revenues and collect

indulgences and collect taxes they don't

fucking do anything to build the party

to strengthen the party to grow the

party

i'm gonna try to introduce this thing to

you in the best way that i can okay

and it's gonna be a long long journey

okay because oh my god this is this is

gonna be a lot to go through so i'm

gonna have to give you an introduction

to tell you about what exactly happened

in order okay

i gotta tell you about what happened in

order

because wow this shit is just a lot this

shit is a lot okay

this shit is a lot

and oh my god it's just there's so much

i don't even know where to fucking start

there is so much to cover okay

so much to cover

so this is basically i think gonna be

the rundown keep that up here and i'm

gonna present before we get into the

nitty-gritty and get into the evidence

and get into all this shit

i'm gonna just give you a rundown of

what happened

so there's a dude in the party

and this is kind of like the terran

fevec

of canada okay this is the canadian

terran fevic

this is one of these

kind of millennials who are being

groomed by the party leadership

to eventually become the future central

committee

members

right this dude is a kind of

high-ranking dude in the party

and they're preparing him to take power

right

and this dude

is a lib he's a radical liberal

this dude has denounced me

he called me an anti-semite most

communist parties in the u.s seem to

simp for the woke dnc thank you stephen

and you are absolutely correct but thank

you so much

because i'm seeing blue in the chat so

thank you man appreciate it but

he denounced me

he denounced caleb

he talks shit about pat's socks and all

that kind of thing

this dude was at the forefront of

claiming that we need to do counter

protests against the canadian truckers

he wanted to do justin trudeau counter

protests against the canadian truckers

that's the type of motherfucker we're

dealing with uh the canadian terran okay

greg b no they weren't

greg i got those screenshots and i got

the receipts i got everything so greg

this dude

watts this dude was he he didn't say we

need to organize counter protests

against the truckers

excuse me greg

greg if you got something to say you can

come to my discord you can come to my vc

and if you greg you can defend this dude

you can go ahead and defend them you can

try and defend them okay

because i will i'm given the evidence

that i've seen i'm given the evidence

that i have received

now you want to tell your side of the

story and square that up with these

screenshots and the evidence that i got

you can go ahead and give it a try

they weren't groomed for leadership is

what i mean oh that's what you're saying

now

conveniently they weren't groomed for

leadership but the central committee

decided to cover up the whole thing from

the public

after it was revealed what they did and

just what but give them give them time

off three months on paid leave

kind of sounds like this was someone

they considered important someone they

considered privileged and special enough

to protect their crimes almost similar

to the way people like tara and fevic

are protected in the cp usa that's what

it sounds like to me

there was no cover-up okay well we're

gonna square your claim that there was

no cover up with the evidence again you

want to come to my discord and and give

your side of the story go ahead and give

your side of the story

but as far as we can tell there was a

cover-up he was given paid leave for

three months he was never

ever kicked out of the party

he resigned he offered his own

resignation he was never penalized and

actually the only reason he resigned was

because this was bought brought to the

public's attention the only reason this

dude even resigned was because it was

brought to the public's attention so go

ahead

go ahead and try and and make excuses

for this right but i'm mostly here to do

two things i'm gonna present to you what

happened and then i'm also going to

present to you why it happened because a

lot no one's talking about why this

actually happened okay

nobody's talking about why this happened

and that's what's the most

you know that's that's where i want to

come in and actually talk about why this

happened

why is there this culture of corruption

pervading the old leadership

of the communist party

anyways mls are fighting inside okay

if you did not want me to take this

public

you should not have gone public

denouncing infrared

now the chickens come home to roost

you're gonna be saying some shit like oh

all of this should have been settled

inside of the party

motherfuckers you don't know what the

internet is your party grew because of

the internet how are members supposed to

know and have awareness about these

types of things

now if if there was a leadership somehow

that was wise enough to be like zero

tolerance we're just kicking them out

we're not gonna make it public that'd be

different but the leadership covered

this shit up

the leadership covered this up

so what choice do you leave people but

to take it public

how do how do people communicate in the

party if not through open mediums of

communication look

look motherfuckers

a communist party

is not doesn't have sovereignty over

your

private parts okay communist party isn't

here to

you know

decide

the minute you you start having sexual

abuse

it becomes public

okay

you cannot enforce a culture

of secrecy

when it comes to shit like that because

you're asking too much of people

for your party

we live in a different age than before

before it was different there was no

internet and there was no mass cults or

anything like that we live in a

different era you are asking too much of

people

you can't enforce information discipline

in a modern political party it is not

possible you can enforce information

discipline in a central committee yes

you can enforce information discipline

thank you tristan wishing you on the

infrared comrades great success great

things coming i have no doubt the

correct theory is everything the golden

stalinist center long live marxism

leninism

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and it's getting hot in here okay we got

we got yellows and we got johnny

we got johnny with the pink

thank you so much johnny but why is your

donation not going through is my

question right

why is your donation not going through

and that's the question there we go

there we go at a boy

there we go the cpiak has failed to

reach out to the canadian truckers

dismissing them outright as right-wing

opportunism they'd announced patriotism

in favor of land back and abandoned

class struggle altogether the c p should

be taken back from the red liberals

that's the word that's what i'm trying

to say guys don't think that just

because a lot of the people coming out

against the leadership

are liberal means that the leadership

are like real communists they're not the

leadership is worse the leadership in

the canadian party they are entrenched

liberals these internet fucking

communists that are attacking the

leadership

you know these young people they're

they're just they don't know what

they're doing right the leadership

that's the entrenchment of the roth and

the corruption

they are the entrenchment

of the roth and corruption

at its root

okay

the greg greg b i hope you're still in

the chat you said that it should not

have grown because the internet it

should have grown among the workers

oh now conveniently you want to say that

but when it came what happened with the

truckers what did you do with them when

the truckers were doing their thing

jay watts was coming out against the

workers in canada you were coming out

against the workers in canada you were

denouncing us as

and you were denouncing us as right-wing

opportunists and whatever the fuck you

were saying

that's what you were doing back then oh

but all of a sudden when one of your

friends and one of your buddies gets

caught for their sickening slimy

corruption now you want to pretend like

you're a true communist who wants to

reach the workers no you just want a way

to save your own ass from the same

liberals that you created

you you're now claiming you want to

blame the rad libs motherfucker you are

the rad libs

you are the rad libs

it's you are the reason

the party it went in the direction that

it did

it's you

it's you you and your dogmatism

you and your complacency you and your

unwillingness to let go of your rotten

past of traitors and scoundrels and scum

you have turned the party into a

prostitute into a motherfucking whore

of fabian socialism and democratic

socialism and social democracy because

you don't believe in communism after the

ussr fell so you're like well we're

still going to like keep the party to

like you know advocate for

you know

kind of more of like a social well no

that's the dsa

that's a communist party you're supposed

to be a communist

she was a rad lib and a symbol of the

errors of the party

you're claiming that now

because you got exposed

in reality

weren't you also denouncing q because q

started to kind of

see past

your

fucking leadership's positions your rad

lib leadership's positions wasn't q the

one who came out unequivocally and

denounced trudeau's measures now me and

q had a fucking hours long debate and

argument about the truckers but

didn't he come out against

the trudeau government's hitlerite

fascistic measures didn't he do that

as isn't q the person who wants the

party to reach out

and broaden its base

to the workers of canada

it seems like you guys are gatekeepers

and you're trying to create the straw

man because yeah there's a lot of people

who are buzzing around this thing who

are fucking liberals

and who are rad libs

and ultra leftists

but those people don't know what they're

doing the party leadership

is actually the people who are gates

keeping the party and they're the ones

who have the keys of the party in their

own fucking hands

what about the entire party

it's like you're saying this now

because

you know there's there's some fucking

fire under your ass

because of some fucking elicits see

listen

see this no no no we're not playing this

bullshit game you don't get to be a

fucking slimy hypocritical scumbag who

attacks us

and then when you do some slimy corrupt

shit

like or where your friends do some slimy

corrupt shit like you know not being

able to keep their hands to themselves

you're gonna come run to the pad socks

for to grift off of us and get our

support oh yeah pet socks we're just

like you

we actually are trying to stop these

radlibs who are preventing us from being

able to play grab ass in the party

they're such radlibs all we want to do

is play some good old-fashioned grab ass

all right

so

as i was saying

yeah uh you you can try and say this is

rad libs or some shit

but i just find it funny that you're

you're trying to play this game now

because you have no one else to run to

you have no faction to turn to

and you you made a paragraph where

you're saying

what did you say you said you seem like

you're contradicting yourself

between needing to make a historic party

stronger and working class based and

running at the same time asking for

these parties to open the gate to radley

my academics

that's not what i'm saying

i'm telling you to open the gate to the

fucking working class

i'm telling you to open the gate to uh

the the pad socks that you denounced

that's what you should have done

but see the thing is if we were in

charge we would have been way stricter

than you were we would have we would

have ran the party like we run our

fucking discords where we don't tolerate

any any type of sexual anything

like where when it's brought to our

attention that there's some illicit

contact

you're done

we don't we would be way less forgiving

we would have sharia law in the party

we would it would be iran 1979 if we

were running that party that's how

strict it would be

we told you to open it to the workers

but you denounced the truckers and you

you wanted to hold counter

demonstrations

against them

and that was the line that was coming

from the leadership

now okay

so this is basically what happened

i'm gonna give you a rundown of what

happened okay

you know what i'm gonna wash my hand

it's fucking smells like

all right

so this is what happened

within canada's communist party

one of these terran fevex got caught

got exposed

primarily by q

uh for

illicit sexual contact with another

member

but i think the details

deserve a little more attention right

i think the details

deserve a little more attention

okay

now who the hell i don't know all the

details about who is liz riley right

liz rowley who the fuck is that who is

liz rowley

so let's let's look at the wikipedia

because this is the leader of canada's

communist party i'm gonna do myself some

educating yeah i'm going to do my i

don't want i want to know this is the

this is the leader of the canada

communist party fight to save the cpc

during the party robbery was one of the

first acting expelled

after she opposed the proposal to

abandon marxim as the ideology

uh along with the party secretary

she was instrumental in the struggles to

dissolve the party back in the 1990s

she reinstated the resulting legal

sentence saw the assets of the party

being split the leninist group keeping

the party name

it held convention okay so apparently

they wanted to preserve marxism leninism

this is liz rowley

huh

well there's there's something about

that i know there's going to be details

about this that i'm aware of okay

some details about this that i'm aware

of

but let's continue

let's continue

let's continue because there's a lot

there's a whole lot

it's a whole

lot there's a whole lot

all right we got videos and we got a

bunch of fucking bullshit

all right we got about we got a lot of

bullshit okay first thing i want to do

though before we get our attention to

the canadian communist party

there's some other shit i wanna i wanna

you know bring to you to your attention

okay

something else i want to bring to your

attention

because do you guys remember the john

brown brigade you guys remember that

john brown brigade

that was attacking

the john brown volunteers of caleb

maupin you guys remember that shit

john brown

brigade

let's find that tweet

somebody give me that that tweet

by the john brown brigade

denouncing

give me that tweet in the discord link

it to me link me that damn tweet

link me that damn tweet

okay

in the discord but for the meet in the

meantime so they basically denounced the

john brown

volunteers of caleb maupin as fascists

and uh you know they said we're using

our name but they're a bunch of fascists

and pat they're super super anti-pad

sock attacking hot sagginess well check

this out

what the hell is going on

check this out

a minnesota communist activist

is revealed to be a sex offender

convicted of a child sex drive crime

he's the leader of an antifa group

called the john brown brigade of

mankato

he's one of the directors for the save

the kids organization

and he was convicted of a child sex

crime

look at that

look at that ladies and gentlemen

and go ahead and tell me that we're not

dealing with a a rottenness that's at

the core of these motherfucking buys

wall go ahead and tell me there's not a

rottenness at the core of the buys wall

left bunch of fucking creepy pervert

scumbags

bunch of fucking creepy fucking perverts

the people who hate us the most

keep your eye on those type of fucking

people

they're always getting out it is creepy

they're always getting out it is these

fucking weirdos they're always getting

out as these abusers and these sex pests

and all this fucked up shit

i mean those those people were attacking

us

i don't even know how to react right

i don't even know how to react to that

okay but let's get through now i'm going

to introduce you to what happened in

canadia in moose land okay

so i want you all to check this out

so part one and you all gotta stick with

me because you're gonna be have to be

patient

in april 2016 i quit the party

it was a major step for me because i had

been a member for over 16 years it

wasn't only one who quit my best friend

and partner bonnie devine also quit sort

of our friend joe cc

at this point many people will be

wondering why what happened

the immediate occasion was last

year it was brought to my attention

that the greek communist party voted

with the golden dawn against granting

gay people the right to have civil

partnerships

upon finding this out i was immediately

shocked to find out they publicly

justified so

you ever notice what leftists have like

radically different

expectations about what communism is and

they're like oh my god i had no idea the

stalinist soviet union

was not fucking a hippie paradise

you ever noticed that so it's the same

thing basically here it's this is

typical western leftist western

communist naivete where they become

communists for entirely different

reasons than the rest of the world does

and they're completely shocked at the

realities of foreign communist parties

that are not attached to social

democracy

but whatever you know this is kind of a

rambling off so i denounced them on

facebook page for being homophobic

unprincipled and anti-marxist leninist

and other members of the cpc did as well

of the central committee of the cpc okay

the central committee did as well

denounced the greeks for being uh

homophobic and whatever being uh

reactionaries

okay

now bear with me keep keep in mind right

bear with me

someone took screenshots and told the

leadership of the cpc

and

the

greeks

owned the leader liz rowley and

complained

and liz on behalf of the cec sent a

letter demanding that the person censors

themselves and pulls down the post now

why is liz rowley doing that is it

because liz rowley

can't she doesn't want to offend

the fraternal party or something no it's

actually because and you guys may not

know this

the kkke

funds the offices

of the

communist party of canada the greek

communist party

literally

owns the office

and gives it

to the communist party of canada

so the greeks were like why are you

talking shit about us motherfucker don't

bite the hand that feeds you

okay

so keep that in mind

i told as a leading member that i was

setting a bad example for younger

comrades and my criticism of the greeks

was on principle i had no right

uh to criticize the fraternal party in

public

and i agree with that you don't have a

right to criticize a fraternal party in

public i ruther i was also attacked for

making common cause with the well-known

ultra leftist a maoist in cpc speak

now what i find so weird about this shit

is that

motherfucker all this shit is happening

on facebook

you know facebook that place that a

bunch of boomers go on to just

just you know do nothing

and it's crazy how the party is like oh

my god face it's like they have nothing

better to do

they don't have any reality so they're

treating facebook like

you know

shit's happening on facebook apparently

this is some old you know this is

grandma and grandpa drama on facebook

okay

why did you like that post

um

yeah this is these are people who got

you know they've got no machine running

as far as being able to win over the

working class

so they're you know they're going off

they're having their bickering their you

know elderly bickering on facebook their

senile elderly bickering back and forth

you know facebook is the place where

like washed out millennials

you know 30-somethings and and old

people go on it and just complain about

life

those types of people

so it's an extremely out-of-touch party

okay

so i responded angrily that i had every

right an obligation to attack homophobia

anywhere that it existed

okay yeah this is just mental illness

because

no you you yeah yeah yeah you don't okay

you don't have a right and obligation to

do that

because sometimes it's not your business

a ergo you can't fucking start talking

about iran

i mean you can i guess on your own

facebook but like

can you use the party's official organs

to do shit like that no

you know

this is according to the cpc's own

documents and because the principles of

marxism leninism demand it where

where

i refused on principle to censor myself

because i had not said anything that was

immoral and principle

yeah but you have to this is so funny

this is like

these are boomers attempting to enforce

party discipline of the classical and

old model

um on facebook and in the age of social

media they don't understand anything

about the attention economy i has

understand the attention economy but

they denounce me for it i understand how

this shit works okay

it don't work like how it does in the

past the the decentralized nature of

information

is a fundamental crisis for communist

parties everywhere unless they're

already in power it's a fundamental

crisis okay

enforcing party discipline on facebook

it's not possible it's not possible okay

all you can really do

is preserve the formal sanctity of the

official organs

of party communication that much you can

preserve

but we're not living in an era where you

can police what people say on facebook

um as long as people are following the

rules of the party

you can't there's not much you can do

okay there's not really much you can do

so

it's not that i disagree that it's

cringy that they were attacking the

greeks it was cringey

but

the problem is how the leadership of

canada's communist party

doesn't understand that a more

fundamental problem

is assumed here the more fundamental

problem is the wild nature of

decentralized information which cannot

be controlled by the traditional

structures of party discipline that's a

more radical problem right

they don't care about information theory

they don't care about understanding mass

media

you know what guys i want to tell you

what the conflict is you got these

old-timer

communist boomers

who are anti-woke just like us

they don't believe in the woke bullshit

either but

the reason they hate us is because of

dogmatism because in their view

we are like crazy and we're like you

know

we're way left field with our

theoretical eclecticism and the wild

nature of our communication you know in

our media and

our style and our culture and they're

just off put by it

in a really dogmatic way

because they don't want to adjust

marxism leninism to the 21st century

so

they tolerate this corruption of

wokeness and this rocked of radlib

wokeness they tolerate it because they

would prefer these fucking woke people

to actual communists because actual

communists

will actually

confront them with uncomfortable truths

about so much assumptions they had made

all of their life

okay

so this is this weird three-way problem

you got the old leadership got the rad

libs and you got infrared this is a

battle between infrared and the old

leadership right and the old leadership

is using these radlibs against us

because they prefer these non-communist

and liber they're using liberals against

us they would rather have liberals than

have people like us

keep that in mind

keep that in mind they're covering for

the fucking liberals

to prevent people like us from being in

the party keep that in mind

okay

uh i'll make common cause with anyone

who denounces oppression for as lenin

said the tribune of the people who is

able to react to every manifestation of

tyranny and oppression no matter where

it appears no matter what stratum or

class people affects yeah lenin was not

saying

that you should um

have an unconditional sense of moral

sentiment

he was specifically talking about the

context of going beyond the bounds of

the proletarian industrial working class

of course that is going to be within

your own country

but if it's going to be a tribunal the

people for example if if police if a

policeman is beating up a baker

you know the tribunal the people is

going to take that cause up because

they're representing the general

you know relationship of the the

democratic struggle of the people with

the state he's not saying you you gotta

you know open your mouth and

have this fucking anarchist view where

you're gonna like

talk about uh i call these cultural

issues no matter what the context is or

anything you know

that's lenin wasn't saying uh we have to

critique the ayatollahs okay

uh

that is like psychotic and that's

american liberal universalism which was

unknown in lenin's time it's just

fundamentally unknown okay

so that's out of context but whatever

whatever right

okay part two

part two of the story

i demanded an apology and a retraction

of the letter

however that did not happen in fact

i sent a brief note from liz

did not answer any of my points

but again demanded that i take down my

post because i said fuck

the kkke

literally shitting on the people that

pay for the office of the cpc

i wrote back that i refuse to censor

myself the cpc constitution says party

members should set an example of gender

equality and social and political life

and home in the workplace and impose all

forms of patriarchy

and gender discrimination except of

course when it happens in the

what

what are you talking about first of all

a

motherfucker that's in greece

that's in motherfucking greece why are

you talking about greece

you're not a greek citizen you don't

live in greece you're not in the greek

party why are you fucking talking about

greece okay

uh

and then finally like

that it doesn't seem like that was what

the issue was seems like the issue is

that

the greek communist party was voting

against

civil uh unions between

non-heterosexual people which is a

fairly standard position

across the world

not everyone in the world agrees with

non-traditional forms of

state-sanctioned marriage

if you can't accept that you're not a

communist like

you're on some obama universalistic

liberal

you know nato pride flag type of shit if

that's how you're thinking but yeah not

everybody in the world is on the same

page about their cultural values you're

gonna have to fucking get over that

the provincial convention of the

communist party in alberta was

approaching and took place in april

i had not gotten any response i'd get a

short email from her asking her to sit

down and meet and she came to town for

the convention i wholeheartedly agreed

i decided that if the cec did not back

down withdraw their demand

then you they would quit

and that the person had friends that

would leave with them

the day of the convention liz came to

our house we talked for an hour

um yada yada

liz started off with the fact the cec

had not changed its mind and it would

not be doing so

i saw no reason to stay she asked why

not i said that the fact that the

greek communist party were anti-gay was

insane and sickening

okay sorry this wasn't it wasn't even up

okay you know what

this is like

what do you mean

the fact this looks so cute it's like

fucking so naive this is the most naive

sentence i've ever read in my life

this is like when the communists

this literally sounds like when

communists in the 50s found out

that they were gulags in the soviet

union they were like oh my god

what i what what notion of communism did

you have in your head like you were so

naive

you have no idea what communism is you

have no idea how communist parties have

been historically and how they still are

across the world like you would go to

china and become the most rabidly

anti-communist liberal in the world i

promise you

you have no idea

of the world outside of your bubble if

you find that insane and sickening it's

just you are so out of touch with

anything relating to communism you are

so out of touch okay

she actually agreed with me yeah okay

that's that's the so this is the part

where we're gonna focus on today guys

she agreed with me

i said the greek communist party were on

the wrong side of history and she said

of course i said i didn't like them she

said we don't like them either all right

ladies and gentlemen here's what i want

you to do i want you to contact email or

call up the greek communist party

and tell them that liz crowley

said

and that this is now public that she

doesn't like them

we don't like them either

because i think it's high time

you take that office away i think it's

time to take that office away you know

you want to talk this shit okay take the

office away we don't like them either

we're just using them for the office

okay the greeks deserve to know that

you don't like them either we're just

using them for their office okay the

greeks deserve to know that go ahead and

email the greek communist party give

them the screenshot let them know what's

going on with liz

who uh don't like she she don't like

the communist party

in greece

even though they pay her bills even

though they're paying for her shit even

though they pay for her office

so they deserve to know that shit

by the way liz you didn't have to uh you

didn't have to uh tail behind the

liberals against haas

but you did and you made that mistake so

it's time the greeks know contact the

kke let them know what liz is saying

about them

uh because they deserve to know

and if you live in canadia you live in

canadia you should you know you should

tell the greeks you should tell them hey

we're forming a new communist party

give us the office we're actual

communists give us the office

and you know we're working class

communist real communist and you should

give us the office so if you're living

in canadia

you gotta talk to those greeks okay go

call the greeks call the

communist party in in greece

and have a conversation with them

because i it looks to me like the

leadership in canada and canadia

is full of a bunch of frauds

who are faking it secretly they're a

bunch of liberals

and you know they don't even like

the communist party in greece so go

ahead and tell them go ahead call them

up and tell them

okay

so despite that she refused to say

anything publicly the leader of the

party said one thing in public and one

thing in private all right

i am not trying to denigrate anybody but

this might be autism

i'm not saying that in a derogatory

sense i'm just saying i think one thing

i've noticed maybe it's autism or

something else but i did notice there's

kind of difficulty in being able to

understand

that there are

there's a difference in what you say in

public and private

that's not because of hypocrisy but

because of

the fact that you don't occupy a

universal position of annunciation which

means

we're not just like these universal

rational subjects where everything we

say has an unconditional context okay if

you say something in a specific context

it's going to also be what the content

of what you're saying is going to be

defined by the context too that's like

very basic for communist parties

throughout all of history

very basic

um

very very basic you know you you do say

things in public and say different

things in private

and that's not necessarily hypocrisy

because

the way the audience reacts to you is

part of the truth of what you say you

know how much shit i say in private that

would get me canceled in public

because y'all aren't ready for the truth

you will interpret it in the wrong way

because you're not mature enough to

understand

right

so that's how that works and the same is

true for the party the party is working

at a pace that's different

from the rest of society so there's

things you're going to say in private

you're not going to say in public

like for example

you know how much anti-communists would

like take shit out of context but you

communists want to destroy the state and

you want to destroy private property

like no you don't say that in public

because it means something different

it's not that you're lying it's just

people will

think oh you want to destroy private

property you want to take my house away

when what you're saying is something

extremely abstract and it's like about

this process of you know um

you know uh

the commodity form being sublated across

you know decades and maybe centuries or

something like what you mean is not this

you have to take into account how people

are going to interpret what you're

saying right

and there's a difference between saying

something in an individual capacity and

saying something in the formal capacity

of being the leader of a fucking

organization two entirely different

things i mean if you don't understand

that you will you can never be a

communist i don't i don't know what to

tell you like

there's a difference between the

organizational form as the position of

enunciation and the individual position

as a as a position of annunciation and

if you think they're the same you're

just an individualist you know i don't

know what to tell you

i mean like as an organization

you're saying something that's on behalf

of the organization it's you're saying

something that's on behalf

of like a collective truth a universal

truth

of some kind when you're saying it as an

individual it's like oh it's just your

opinion right so there's completely

different practical implications i mean

i don't know what to tell you right very

different things

i have always said repression is the

basis of organization

it's the ability to repress

that makes an organization

period

otherwise there's no organization and

everything's indistinguishable

everyone's the same right

but anyway

she refused to say anything about the

kke publicly

liz asked if bonnie was leaving as well

and i said yes and called bonnie up

i don't know i don't know any of these

people okay

liz claimed the cpc criticized them

privately

but

that had not been working out it was

time to do something different and what

about voting with the golden dawn

i'm sorry you don't understand the

fucking reality of life itself like this

is so nice this is like a baby okay

this claim they had no idea but even

would not say anything publicly i i just

think that's like

damn it's such a level of oh my god

you cannot have a communist party if

this shocks you okay

um this is like saying st oh my god yeah

you know there's a lot of things you

don't understand it doesn't mean you're

gonna launch a crusade

this is such fucking bizarre ultra

leftist it's not even it's literally

infantilism like

yeah sometimes you're gonna vote with

the far right party because you're

competing with that party

and you're trying to show the people

that you you have hegemony over that

specific thing

but you don't get it you don't

understand anything if you don't get

this

it's like there's a clear

anti-imperialization in greece for

example let's say like

uh kick out american forces in greece

and both the nazis

and the communists vote for it they're

voting for it because they're competing

with each other for the masses

they're competing for hegemony and

they're going to try to outdo each other

about who's more based than the other

like if you don't get that you don't

fucking understand anything

the fact that you made this a problem is

silly

okay let's continue

okay it sounds like i'm against them

which i guess i am but

as the meeting ended but but i'm against

the leadership more

as the meeting ended liz stated that the

party had denounced the communist party

of the russian federation you know what

liz that's where you fucked up hey liz

that's where you fucked up okay those

are those are houses people those are my

people so liz

your shit is done

you fucked up liz

infrared's not coming to the rescue of

you or your bankrupt ass party

leadership we're not

you attacked our people you attacked

infrared's allies you attacked the

people infrared thinks are the most

based communist party in the world

besides one's in power yeah you you

fucked up

so the party denounced the communist

party of the russian federation for

anti-semitic statements i'd love to see

the anti-semitic statements okay

which thought that's interesting right

you you want to be a rad lib you know

what you know what this reminds me of

guys fuck it i'm sick of it i'm sick of

the bullshit

i can't help

but give a crooked eye

and a lot of the people who like bitch

about cancel culture

because you want to know who pioneered

cancel culture zionists

zionists called everybody anti-semitic

who critiqued israel

everybody who critiqued israel was an

anti-semite

and that was the first form of cancer

culture and then

when that diseased corrupt form of

thinking started spreading to everybody

else and suddenly people started getting

canceled for homophobia and transphobia

and ableism the same god damn zionists

came out and they were like

oh i'm against

cancer culture you're taking no you

started it you

unleashed pandora's box you created it

you eat it you eat it like you eat shit

you eat the shit that you fucking dug up

from the ground

okay

so that's that's my answer to liz hey

liz you don't like this radlib cancel

culture shit why the fuck did you call

the communist party of the russian

federation anti-semitic why the fuck

would you do that how why the fuck would

you set the precedent for

denouncing yes you are this is a

pathology this is a disease and this is

corruption this is a pathological

corrupt disease

at the core of the party it's a

corruption it's corruption

showed more clearly the unprincipledness

of her and the leadership of the cpc

denouncing anti-semitism

but not homophobia and lying you know

what they're right it is inconsistent

why are you attacking the communist

party of the russian federation

but then you're saying we're not going

to attack the communist party in greece

you see you see how you see how they un

you see how they unleash pandora's box

because you can't say anti-semitism is

the worst thing why is anti-semitism the

worst defense why not homophobia and

ableism and

you you have no way of distinguishing

these things because you created a red

line based on cultural culture you

created a red line with which if you

perceive someone crossing that line you

denounce them

that red line is just being used against

you now but you created that red line

like a liberal like a

neurotic liberal like a neurotic zionist

liberal

you did this

you set the president

how about shut the fuck up about foreign

communist parties how about shut the

fuck up about them and focus on your own

goddamn country how about that

oh we're we're we're the where we're

infrared we're the bad guys

we're the only fucking people that can

save the party from you

you fucked it up

you're complaining about all these

zoomers running around being dumb ass

rad libs you open the doors to them you

created them

who is expelled liz was expelled

they denounced the communist party of

the russian federation

how do you justify that

they were tired of the hypocrite are you

saying these few words well i don't give

a fuck that's not relevant to me

there was a deeper reason for a complete

lack of faith a deeper reason for

deciding to leave

last year

i learned that a leading male member of

the party

had sexually assaulted a female member

this was all hearsay so i went to my

first cc meeting

there in a closed session it was stated

that this member had done something

wrong

made a mistake and touched this female

member inappropriately

something of a sexual nature had

occurred

however at no point were the words

assault or harassment used only

euphemisms i had a better idea of what

happened but others in assisi had no

clue

all of it was out of the blue to them

and exceedingly vague

the leading member also stated that he

had been drinking yes that excuse was

actually used as if drinking ever

excused any behavior

yet he apologized and said he would not

drink at party functions anymore

we on the cc were told the victim had

been talked to

that an investigation had happened that

the victim was happy with the final

results and had got justice as she saw

it

when i left toronto after the meeting

and returned to calgary i was

demoralized and depressed i didn't want

to remain in the party but i didn't know

what to do

what could i do

i didn't even know the comrade had been

assaulted i only know her name

then months later i had the occasion to

talk to them in person

an evening sitting around our kitchen

table they opened up

about what happened

leading member made unwanted advances

and there had been inappropriate

touching we further found out that they

had been pressured to keep quiet and not

tell anyone because it would harm the

party

i also realized the cec had lied to the

cc

she had not in fact been happy with how

things turned out the top leadership was

hiding and suppressing this information

not only from the random file membership

but from the central committee

the person they referred to did much

worse and the primary victim requested

quietness

what

the fuck are you talking about

what are you talking about

jay watts is the culprit and he was not

expelled what are you talking about he

wasn't expelled

jay watts was not expelled

how do you square that

i want to talk about jay watts okay

this person did worse than the primary

victim requested secrecy the perpetrator

was expelled to protect her kid

this is not about jay watts well i'm

talking about jay watts

i don't know what you're talking about

if you have something to say

you should go public with it

this letter isn't jay watts

this letter isn't about jay watts

what

what the fuck are you talking about

then what's the jay watts one

greg get in our discord and and give us

the one that about jay watts

cause we're talking about jay watts

today

it's about a guy three years ago

so what is the j watch story

they said it's about another guy

it's not about watts

is greg telling the truth i need the

gorillas to do some research

emergency research tell us where we can

find jay watts's crime

where can we find jay watts crime

okay

what the hell is going on with jay

watts

read what jack said and what q said

motherfucker what

we got this whole thing

wrong what the hell are you talking

about

what the hell are you talking about

so i want to know what they watched it

okay i want to know what the crime of

jay watts is

so

we gotta know what the primary victim

the hell are you talking about

all right someone's gonna send me the j

watts story

somebody's sending me the j watts story

okay

so this story apparently we don't know

what the fuck's going on with this story

okay

apparently we apparently this is a

different story

oh

[Laughter]

oh

they said this is about johan

and that this was another central

organizer they covered up for

oh

okay

i understand now i understand

okay

i thought that was the story of jay

watts

so they got multiple cover-ups

but somebody's gonna email me the pdf

of what's going on so they got mo i want

to talk about jay watts i'm not

interested in the other cover-ups right

now because

it seems like we're getting conflicting

narratives about that so okay we're

gonna talk about jay watts

that's what i'm concerned about is jay

watts

but look at this okay

so we're gonna get that email

but look at this fucker you're gonna

tell me this is an orthodox communist

party look at this a future for youth

education for all

this is on their damn platform

reduce the age of consent to 14.

greg what you got to say about this bro

you're gonna you're telling me it's a

problem what the hell is this nambla

shit what the hell is his name bless

shit

you're gonna reach the workers by

telling them their kids should be

diddled at 14 years old

is that how you plan on reaching the

workers what's what's the excuse for

this shit

tell me what the excuse for this shit is

what the hell is this

what the hell is the excuse for this

shit

reduce that what the hell is going on

what the hell is going on

and you know y'all talk shit about him

you're trying to tell the liberals and

look what happened you fucking get

exposed

a bunch of fake ass motherfuckers

but what the hell is going on i mean

look at that

reduce that what the hell is going on

okay

so while we wait for that pdf

we're gonna have a quick intermission

where i'm gonna eat a sandwich and why

am i gonna eat a sandwich because i can

bitch

damn

these fries

sorry y'all this is too good

i'm i'm not cutting them

this shit is worth

it is worth the fuck

extra fat

there's nothing in the world better than

fat ass arabic fries nothing

i shouldn't have eaten that i shouldn't

have eaten that

i shouldn't have eaten that

but i did

i shouldn't have eaten that

but i did

what i did

all right

um

oh this is the one

okay

i think i have this one too

yeah this is the one

oh no this is a different one

all right

so where do i where do i

i don't wanna

okay we're good

this is the one

hell no

i gotta finish my sandwich

this sandwich is not good

some undercooked chicken man

get ready for this the true j watts

exposed

get ready

it's unacceptable this is leaked well

i'm wikileaks motherfucker

shouldn't uh

shouldn't have publicly denounced

infrared

y'all don't want me to air your dirty

laundry

fuck y'all

i'm the julian assange of western

communist parties

doing some

handsy grab ass type of fuckery sexual

harassment type of shit you know

great

y'all ban people if they watch me

i don't care if he wants to stop the

congress you all ban people

just for watching haas is that according

to marxist lending this procedure

is it okay according to marxist leninist

procedure to ban motherfuckers because

they have infrared type of use is that

okay

oh who defended fascism greg

who's been defending fascism

nobody defends fascism from the infrared

camp you know it you're a liar

that's what i'm trying to say you call

us fascists if you draw your red line

and call us fascists then this is what

happens to you

not my problem if they did that but you

decided to narrowly define what fascism

is

in order to expel everybody who's got

the infrared perspective right

oh it's not my fault then greg this shit

ain't my fault either how about that how

do we go how about them apples this shit

ain't my fault either

no one from your chat but people acting

as such on the ground

what are you talking about

everybody against us is just like this

shit man

i'm drinking water

alright we're gonna read this we're

gonna read this shit

you're saying q is a fat

just as communist party turns toward

workers

how have you turned toward the workers

when you organized calendar

demonstrations against the fucking

truckers you liar

you're a fucking liar

you organized counter demonstrations

against the truckers

you denounced the truckers

you are a liar

you're not turning toward the workers at

all

you brought this dumb bullshit in you

you reap what you sow

your your way lets creeps thrive my way

is fucking

iran 1974 1979 okay

my way is iran 1979 your way is letting

the perverts and the creeps thrive

the people who want their cake to eat it

too

perverts creeps degenerates

that's who you let fucking thrive in

your party

all because you want to just oh yeah

we're rad labs and he's announced the

trackers

but we're against identity politics when

we're targeted

this reminds me of like the white lgbt

movement

when you call out their racism all of a

sudden they're against id poll

y'all notice that based thank you

morlock i feel like a time for the usa

to invade canada it's out of control

yeah this shit is out of control this

shit is i still have not been convinced

that canada

deserves to be sovereign

at all okay

on june 16

jack

appeared on instagram in which the party

was accused of refusing to adequately

respond to a complaint of sexual

harassment lodged by jack against jay

watts in october

2021

this is not true below are the facts

let's hear their facts

jack who is a member of the ycl made

their initial complaint to ivan bjard

leader of the ycl who immediately

related to me as party leader

and this is who

she not she's not signing her name is

she yeah elizabeth rowley this is liz

rowley

i related to the cec

i also spoke with jack on the telephone

where they told me what happened and i

expressed my concern and sympathy and

told him that the cec would be following

up right away

the cec was very disturbed by the report

and immediately undertook an

investigation this was included with a

further face-to-face meeting with jack

ivan and myself as well as two meetings

with the ycl central executive and two

with jay

jack declined to meet with the cec

though they finally agreed to me with

ivan and myself it was clear that jack

was sovereign from great disgrace we

were very concerned about them in the

course of the investigation was

determined that the arrest covered a

period of five days in which jack made

overtures to jack

which involved kissing their hands

touching their madrid

what the hell

jay made overtures which involved

kissing their hands

touching their midge

oh shit

oh shit they were touching the midriff

inviting them home

this creepy motherfucker

inviting them home proposing a sexual

relationship

ladies and gentlemen

ladies and gentlemen these are the

anti-pat socks

these are the people against us our

faction these are the anti-pad socks

we're talking about

okay

this was the extent of the unwanted

physical contact by jack which deeply

upset him at no time jack reportedly

forced her career sent by jay

motherfucker they don't got to be force

or crew earson for a creepy motherfucker

to be doing some creepy ass shit

jay motherfucking watts you creepy

motherfucker

your ass is grass

jay met with the cec and was forthright

in admitting his actions and his remorse

at the distress he called jack the party

as a result

having established the facts they

considered the consequences of his

actions

the action to be taken reporting

recommendation

in october

after two days which included another

meeting with the ycl leadership and a

further conversation with jack it was

agreed to issue a strong censure of jade

for his sexual harassment put him on

three-month leave during which he was

required to give treatment to address

the issues provide proof treatment and

to avoid all conduct of the ycf so he

got a three-month leave which was paid

leave by the way they left that part out

who's a paid leave for three months

for sexual harassment

and touching motherfucking midriffs

this dude was touching motherfucking

midriffs left and right

and instead of a zero tolerance of kick

rocks

he got three months paid leave

motherfucking unwanted midriff touching

as if that's acceptable

three months paid leave

yeah that was one of the earliest

infrared haters

that was one of the earliest infrared

haters i got a dm

j watts went drinking with a younger ycl

and assaulted them

they were 20 years old and jay was 40

there was a trial i don't know the final

decision well we need proof okay we

can't just be accusing

shit without proof but damn

it's always these dudes who don't want

to grow up that are attacking infrared

attacking has

always attacking me

always attacking me always attacking

highs always antagonizing me because i

radiate 1979 energy they know i'm going

to restrict their activities

so they hate me they see me as a

restrictive prohibited father because if

hazel's in charge

we go into iran 1979

okay you know we have a zero tolerance

policy for anything

that's hard on no i know how i'm nothing

okay that's what happens when haas

has his vision implemented so they see

that fact and that the biggest enemies

will be there is

okay

anyway

this is what people do when they don't

want to work by the way they're starting

praying on people to get their shit

their shit off

you know because they're not working to

build the party i'm going to work this

is a clown show this is a killer clown

show motherfucker this is a goddamn

disgrace

motherfucking midriff touching creeps

out here

we got midriff

hide your midriffs cover your midriffs

these motherfuckers are out here

hide those motherfucking midriffs

because this people like jay are out

here and if you're in the ycl i always

told y'all practice takia join your

communist party but hide your

motherfucking midriffs hide those

motherfucking midriffs

because we got jays out here

we got midriff bandits

running around

okay

these proposals seem to be measured and

proportionate

to the cec

in keeping with the practices in the

labor movement central committee also

supported these measures in the meeting

that month they're warning that any

replete would not be tolerated and

resolve through severest disciplinary

measures

jack was informed of the deliberations

and proposals

and they expressed their agreement with

them satisfaction yadda yadda in early

may during the ontario election the cece

received an email from nigel who is a

housemaid of jax which contained a

letter signed by jack and addressed the

cec it was titled statement on incidents

of harassment from jay watts in demand

of his removal

much of what appears to social media

posts today including that same which is

not fully retelling of the usa then

conclusion is very different from the

one supported by jack in october

they're not demanding the cec expelled

jade in the comics party because for

context this jay dude is still in that

ycl

running around

you know

and and they've gotta work with that jay

dude of course you gotta fucking expel

that guy

of course you gotta expel that shit man

this is what happens when there's no

authority

this is what happens when there's no

fatherliness

i responded by asking nigel if there was

anything new that jacket had

nothing short of exposing was acceptable

jack and to nigel

the cec members drew garvey and myself

met with jack and nigel on june 15th

and explained the penalties adopted by

the central committee last october

cannot be increased a lot of sec

it was pointed out that although jack

was not a party member

there was an approved process in the

constitution that will allow for

approval assisi's decision to the

central committee and thus the cec would

almost certainly support making the

accessible to jack and psc's positions

jack indicated then that the delay would

likely drop their demands and not press

any further

liz drew and ivan urged jack to think

about it and let us know how jack wanted

to proceed

on june 16th the cec unanimously

supported the proposal

earlier this morning we received jack's

response to our proposal in the form of

a social media post

we receive phone calls from comrades

expecting the shock concern about the

post and the phone calls they're

receiving

while we sympathize with jack and the

pain he endures we don't resolve issues

with threats and ultimatums

um

damn

okay signed by liz rowley so

they're covering for this motherfucking

creepy motherfucker

so let me recapture what happened

jay

was

sexually harassing a member of the party

they got a three-month suspension

but the cec didn't tell the party that

it was for harassment they told the

party that he was taking a leave of

absence so they were covering for him

the victims went to a ycl event and saw

jay there

after that they told him to stay away

then they got mad at the victim for not

warning them that the victim is coming

to the event

eventually people were told that he's

taking a leave of absence

learned the real story

and that's how it blew up

and and after went public this is what

liz rowley did to do damage control so

unbelievable unbelievable right

so

so it gets better

it gets better

it gets better okay

we got a leaked conversation

from liz crowley herself

talking about what's going on

it it gets even better let's just check

out what's going on

deluge of what i can only call this shit

appeared on social media really vicious

stuff

and it was accompanied by a whole slew

of resignations of our members across

the province here a lot of them new

members

and some of them

uh were

told us that they left because they

didn't want to be in a party that

protected sexual predators uh

understandable no who would

but this was not the case

others said that

uh that they had been

leaned on

that uh if they didn't

um

if they didn't support a particular

perspective

it could happen that their employers

might find out that they were members of

the communist party

and that people who are not citizens

might find themselves

uh facing uh some kind of

government agencies might find out about

their membership

we didn't find this out until today but

this is a part of what is part of what

is afoot here

there is a faction operating here

congress and it's headed up by a guy

named andre demise

that's cute

but she's not talking about the the

faction of motherfucking

midriff touchers running amok in the

party she don't want to talk about the

midriff faction otherwise known as q

and there is a group around him of

individuals that we have proof that

they're involved in this faction we have

the screenshots we have people who were

there some of the people who thought

they were in a chat group and realized

pretty quickly they were in a faction

uh and who called us

are you gonna put the recordings of the

faction engaging in anti-indigenous

racism and

me

metis

anti-what

blatant radlib ideology proof of

factionalism

greg i don't know nothing about that

greg

but i don't know if i can trust what you

mean by that because you accuse us of

anti-indigenous racism because we don't

believe in land back

we don't believe in giving all of the

united states territory to an indigenous

tribe of two percent of people okay

so y'all called us racist for that

blatant radlib ideology so now you want

to pick and choose what radlib is but

you are the ultimate radlib who

denounced the communist party the

russian federation for anti-semitism is

that not radlib

is that not radlib

is that not rabbit

that's to tell us that you know

something was afoot and it was pretty

ugly

and

uh the central committee is going to be

meeting on thursday as a result of this

because what we are seeing here is an

all-sided attack on our membership and

on our party it's what you might call a

color revolution it's an inside job

you know i'm going to give you something

immediately ironic it looks like it's

got some professional fingerprints on it

because who will benefit

from the loss of all or not all but many

of the new members who have joined the

communist party in the last

okay

so that kind of sounds like a a a

a a conspiracy theory to me

does it not

does that not sound

like a conspiracy theory

because it sounds like one to me right

well if that's a conspiracy theory

then why is jay watts liking tweets like

these

so this is the response to my tweet the

great reset is an anti-semitic

conspiracy theory that describes the

agency of capital to a cabal of

celebrity lobbyists you can

use margins of mental illness to reddit

nonsense

but you're only selling a terminological

modification of fascism

[Applause]

hey greg didn't you call me a fucking

fascist didn't you guys call me a

fucking anti-semite because i talked

about the great reset and the agenda of

the world economic forum

look at here look at here jay watts in

the flesh

the abuser

looky here jay watts there he is

so she's talking about a color

revolution isn't that an anti-semitic

conspiracy theory in laos because you

might

because i talked about the fucking great

reset from the

fucking world economic forum

and you're saying that's an anti-semitic

conspiracy theory

what the fuck are you talking about

how the fuck is that an anti-semitic

conspiracy theory you fucking rad libs

because what because you're in these

you're not you're liberals this is this

is bill maher liberals versus rad libs

i am fucking vlad the impaler

all of you are my enemy

that's what's going on

y'all are the bill made her liberals

where you're like i'm so sick of pencil

culture i'm so sick

of this identity you created it

and now you're gonna get the wrath of

haas

now you're getting the wrath of haas

i'm genghis khan and you're coming

before me on your knees pleading with

the khan oh come on no we're on your

side you're not on my side

we're raising the city to the ground

none of y'all are on my side

i'm genghis khan and this bitch

all y'all my enemies

i band with rad libs these rad lips bene

see this person kieran

karen been attacking me for hot and

that's a rad lib they've been attacking

me for how long

i've been fighting these people while

you were using them against us

you were using these same fucking rad

libs as shock troopers against infrared

and against the pad socks weren't you

now you reap what you sow

now you reach what you sow the party

will win the party will solve everything

y'all can't do shit if you don't know

what you're doing on the internet if

y'all don't know what you're doing on

the internet you're not gonna do shit i

promise you i promise you you won't

survive you don't know what you're doing

on the internet and you don't

kiran is the selected leader of the coup

i don't care

i don't care that's a rat i've been

fighting these people while you were

tailing behind them greg remember when

your fucking party was tailing behind

these people and now they come bite you

in the ass and you want to fucking come

and act like you you want to break bread

with me

these are yeah i know they're rad libs

but these were the rad libs you were

using against us

weren't they

because that's the difference i'm an

ayatollah khomeini communist

and you're a fucking

you're a goddamn bill maher communist

and that's the difference between us

you're a fucking modernist western

liberal and i'm genghis khan and you've

been you've been using these fucking

libs as cannon fodder against the mongol

army for too long and now they're

turning against you

and you reap what you sow

you reap what you sow

you fight the two deviation the right

deviation and left deviation how are we

a right deviation

greg get in my vc and explain to us how

i'm a right to deviation explain how

we're because we are actually marxist

leninist your frauds you denounce the

communist party the russian federation

for alleged anti-semitism you're not a

fucking marxist leninist you're a fraud

you're liberals you're a bunch of

conservative boomer liberals

like bill maher you're not fucking

communist you're liberals

oh we're the same how

give me one concrete fucking example of

how we're right deviation is just get in

my vc and explain it

okay since you're not going to get in my

vc type in the chat and

give detailed explanations

about why we represent a right-wing

deviation go ahead i'll let you do that

i will permit you to to make your case

mr lawyer go ahead and explain that

okay streamer solidarity

okay

if that were the case then me and vos

will be best friends okay can you

actually make your argument about how

we're right-wing deviation go ahead

explain

because we're dark maoists because we're

dark maoists who don't believe in

political correctness we don't believe

in establishing filters from the real

cold hard truth of the world

make your argument greg

make your argument

we live we're not fake fucks so you call

us right wing cause we're not fake fuck

coping fucks like you we embrace the raw

wilderness of the real world

we embrace the possibility that our

views might be wrong we test them in the

real fucking soil of the people in the

real fucking world we have faith and we

have belief in the ideas of communism we

believe in their confirmation in the

chaotic material soil of the real world

with no ideological institution to allow

us to fucking cope or prevent

confrontation with the true alterity of

material being

that that means we're right wing

that means we're right-wing you're

coping you're coping

you're coping that's why you prey on

your fellow comrades because when you go

to the club

and you got to be thrown out there to

the dogs

and you gotta eat

you gotta have swag you gotta you gotta

actually charm people and press people

from ground zero paul pog campuccia

style

and you can't do that you don't have

swag you don't have charm you don't

have personality you don't have anything

so you use your institution

to coerce and force people

and touch their midriffs by force

because you're fucking you being in

common cause with them you fucking loser

that's the difference between us

right deviation because you

misunderstand class analysis

fundamentally misunderstand imperialism

rely on class confusion without real

regard for it so why don't you debate us

on this if you can back that up somehow

why don't you allow a dialogue and

debate about it within the party you

fucking fraud you've silenced all debate

about that topic

you said we can't have a debate about it

if you're so confident that you're right

about those things why do you have to

fucking silence us you're wrong about oh

we must sort of we misunderstand class

analysis according to who you are you

god is liz crowley god

you drew a fucking line in the sand and

said your dogmatic interpretation is

correct

stupid fuck

who are you god

you can shut down any dialogue about

this you can shut down any debate about

it

that's how confident you are without

testing it just like how jay watts don't

gotta twist test his game

like a normal fucking person and

actually

foster relationships

based on his own swag he's got a fucking

abused ycl members of 40 year old

grown-ass man who are trusting him as an

elder in the party and he's got to use

that shit because you don't want to he

don't test himself he don't test nothing

y'all don't test shit

you stick with your fucking sterile

dogmatism

and that's exactly why you're doing the

shit you are that creepy shit in your

fucking party

all debates are allowed no they're not

no they're not if somebody in a club is

an infrared supporter

they're getting banned and you know that

you because that's how it is in the cpu

usa as well there's no debates allowed

about this topic none

y'all publicly denounced us publicly

publicly you denounced

you don't know how the convention works

no i know how the party works anyone

who's an infrared supporter anyone who's

a caleb maupin supporter gets banned for

being called a a red brown nozbe fascist

anybody who wanted to support the

truckers gets banned from the party for

being called a fascist you're very loose

with your claim about who's a fascist

you're very generous about who's the

fascist who's not a fascist

always right deviation is you're full of

shit you're full of fucking shit you're

just dogmatists

cultural revolution is coming you can't

prevent it you can't prevent the

cultural revolution

you can't prevent it it's coming

it's coming

we got more

j watts

the funny thing about all the know

nothing us streamers who's talking about

me from the us railing against us is

that the communist part of canada was

one of the first federal parties to

speak against vaccine passports no you

weren't you said in this article and i

can show you this article if you want

that in principle you are not against

them that's what you yourself said

jay watts i can't think of anything more

damaging to the prospects of left

organizing then opportunistically siding

with minority ultra right political

action of petite bouzon fascist

organizers based on the advice of

americans who think that dressing like

duck dynasty cast equals working class

oh this is you're reaching out to the

working class you have such an

appreciation of the working class right

this is the working class

you're calling them you're mocking the

idea the basic sober and realistic

that the working class is overwhelmingly

rural

and you instead think that fucking

starbucks baristas are the true working

class

the police are working with these

fascist creeps and they will use this

opportunist to man to man we're funding

in power what a baseless allegation

they used it to increase police power in

an unprecedented way

i think fiorella is here supporting the

truckers and look what jay watts said

constitutional monarchy the first step

which is why the spontaneous workers

uprising ottawa is making demands of her

majesty's representative bring us

socialismo queen betty he's mocking he's

mocking the populace

this is the guy this is the abuser

look at this

caleb relies on the lack of

institutional memory and an emancipated

and rebuilding left emaciated in order

to launder his piss-poor brand of

idealism as communism

uh you rely on a lack of institutional

memory of your midriff touching jay

watts you got an institutional memory of

some midriff

hands-on midriff touching kj watts

by the way that keyword institutional

memory this is fabian socialism social

democracy that i told you about

remember when i told you about that's

that's the key word for social democracy

it's that social democracy keyword that

i told you about okay

and what institutional memory of western

communism are you fucking talking about

which one

community solidarity toronto rally

with the truckers convoy for what it is

an anti-worker hate-filled far-right

movement greg is this your you're

reaching out to the working class

greg you're reaching out to the working

class greg

fascists should always be met with

counter protests

what they are doing is auditioning for

capital

and the more we thwart them the better

there's more

it's actually more

okay

you could believe it there's actually

more

like for us for a segment of the people

from the states who are

clamoring for this sort of like engage

with these people

um that like i don't know maybe a month

or something uh these same people were

talking about you know

how the importance of being patriotic

socialists how it wasn't necessarily so

right-wing to like hate your country et

cetera et cetera these are democrats

these are shit libs

these are institutional liberals

fighting with

uh para institutional liberals these are

institutional liberals fighting with

zoomer liberals

institutional libs

versus

zoomer libs that's what's going on etc

they've jumped really really quickly

from that to like

oh look at this actual like thing

organized by the ultra rights less

fascists you should really go support it

yeah this is exactly what's happening

you know this jay watts this is what

tara and fevic says

this is what teren fevic taran's like

yeah i mean like i'm against sakai but

the infrared people take it too far

this is tara and fevic

but look at the corruption

look at the corruption look at the

corruption on full display with this jay

watts motherfucker the corruption

based thank you general well what you do

isn't real loss you don't organize your

funko pops you don't reach out to the

midriffs you don't break the social

fictions like the age of consent

yeah

thank you so much janar

and it is getting yellow as fuck in here

it's getting hot in here but why is

johnny's donut not going through

thank you johnny

toronto is the belly of the beast when

it comes to canadian leftoids it is no

coincidence that the cpr hq is in

toronto absolutely no coincidence at all

there's no coincidence at all but guys

it's heating up in here so thank you so

much

we're getting some yellows and some

blues

and some you know who's

well thank you for that i appreciate it

but anyway

moving on

to this that's my that's my uh that's my

challenge that i'm laying down to our

friends in the patriotic socialist

movement come on up here come on up here

and talk with these folks i'd be more

he's talking about the truckers

yeah we do talk to them and we do quite

fine we talk to conservatives all the

time i think it's more likely that

they'll find that they have a lot in

common and they'll they'll probably find

their the the uh socialist element of

their politics dropping away a lot

closer quicker than the uh

this is the this is the face of the

corrupt institutional sock them fake

communist that terran fevex socialist

this is what they look like

they're these respectable fucking

liberal

oh yeah i'm jay i'm a democrat i'm

pretty much the same as a democrat

and i don't like those infrared people i

don't like haas i don't like caleb

mopping i don't like jackson hinkle

because at the end of the day we need to

support the deep state the globalist the

world economic forum the liberal status

quo

and if you don't do that you're an

anti-semite

everyone who doesn't support the status

quo is an anti-semite you're an

anti-semite you're an anti-semite you're

an anti-semite you're an anti-semite

we're scared of populism we hate the

people we hate populism we hate the

popular masses it scares us

it's scary it makes us uncomfy

it makes us uncomfy

but we're not like super into identity

politics like those zoomers are so we're

kind of like in the center and how the

right deviation is and these people are

left deviationists and we are the golden

center this milk toast

liberal democrat is the center and is

actually you know you're the fucking

right wing and we're the center don't

get it twisted

we are the fucking center you are the

right wing you're the right wing you're

fighting with your left wing we're the

center actually we're the left wing fuck

it we're the real leftists

why should we concede to them leftism

shouldn't i mean let fuck leftism why

should we concede them

we are the left wing we've we're all

we've always been the golden center

which means we are the true left

and these are fucking frauds okay

and then q calls liz a dingbat

and

because she admitted

that

that he resigned

resignation of jay watts this was to

inform the cec accepted the resignation

of jay watts

so yeah he didn't get kicked out he just

resigned he never got kicked out

central committee's meeting this is

being held

uh the central committee is being held

thursday the 23rd

at 2 p.m est

based thank you christmas you thought

the golden center meant the midriff

yeah they thought it was the midriff it

was not the midriff a major attack

launched by a faction led by andre

is underway across the country in

centerdown ontario is aimed to

destabilize the party alienate our

newest members and supporters

oust the current central executive and

central committee and seize control of

our organization and assets remember

when they accused infrared of trying to

do this in america he said we're trying

they're trying to use control of our

assets

no jay watts is the dude who's trying to

seize control of people's assets that

dude is trying to seize midriffs left

and right okay

the 40th convention

is at risk with comrades being

threatened with physical attacks and

public exposure of their memberships to

employers and government agencies by

members in the faction

a blitzkrieg of lies and distortions

about the central committee's handling

of sexual harassment of jack by jay

watts is fueling the firestone attacking

the party including vicious attacks

party members on twitter instagram and

broader social media

is a well organized assault as

marks of a professional hand it's all

taken place in the last seven days and

will likely escalate in the days up to

the convention

the cec will present all the evidence of

the faction and done damage and has been

done the extraordinary meeting on

thursday all members are asked to attend

we'll send you codes tomorrow this is a

color revolution inside our party

an inside job

uh an inside job that sounds awfully

anti-semitic

liz

raleigh

sounds awesomely anti-semitic to me

she goes it's an inside job motherfucker

i feel like it ain't that deep

okay i feel like you had a dude out here

touching mid-drifts

and people

you know are creeped out by it

this is just like the avital runnel

avital the runnel

case

zoomers are sick of the boomers

honor culture of exclusivity and secrecy

and it doesn't work in the delusion

information age

my patriarchs my boomer patriarchs of

the 20th century

the zoomers are having none of it

they're having none of your thing

it's all exploding

before our eyes

it's all exploding

for our eyes

[Music]

the boomers and the zoomers

can't see eye to eye

consumers don't understand the boomers

with their culture of informality and

secrecy and

private public distinctions and

you know

nuance and a false veneer of freedom

but it's these boomers who created these

zoomers

it's these boomers that created these

rumors and now

now comes

the gorillas the infrared people the cpi

people and

we are we are uh exactly what the

zoomers are asking for a new master

you are asking for a new master a new

patriarch a new leader

and we will oblige you

we will oblige you

because we're bringing back iran 1979 in

this bitch

it's just like during the iranian

revolution

now the zoomers in iran we're mad at the

boomers

and you know what the ayatollah obliged

them

they kind of regretted it after but they

obliged them

diatolicane

instituted an even greater order

more powerful order

of discipline

that's where we come in

ladies and gentlemen sharia law is

coming to the communist party and we're

bringing it there i'm not joking

i'm not joking

i'm not joking i'm not jesting i'm not

playing

it's not a joke

this is the infowar

give me a measly second

based

cpc is europeanized the quick was waging

a ppw info or compounding the igloopod

syndrome lack of open air and temperate

climate make them irritable

i'm miss trenchbull must be good for

children

y'all can't have any of this

swedish household

i wiped it clean

an entire fucking

thing of fries i wiped it clean i'm fat

as fuck

thank you for the five zolo i didn't

thank you i didn't think i paused my

thanks because you know what

fidel castro said if everyone in china

owned a car would be ecologically

unsustainable do you think your defense

of car culture is globally applicable or

unique to america

uh it's very simple i don't agree with

mr fidel

i don't know why everyone thinks like

fidel castro is like the pre-eminent

marxist theorist

she's not

she's the guy who has opinions

thank you for the five i don't agree

with fidel i don't agree with it

matter of fact there's a lot of shit i

don't agree with fidel about fidel

sided with the soviets during the

sino-soviet split

i don't fuck with that

i just don't

you guys have to understand

i'm a marxist leninist

i'm not a i'm not like a dem sock

fabian socialist

socialist international you know soviet

aligned marxist leninist like hakeem i'm

a fucking dark dark type of marxist

leninist

i'm the chinese style

okay

i'm not a soviet marxist leninist i'm a

chinese marxist lioness you know what

that means it means i'm like terry crews

i'm a terry crews marxist lannisters i'm

the i'm like a fucking

vicious dragon i'm a tiger you ever i'm

slick like tamerlan i'm not playing

games like hakeem and luna oil

i sided with the chinese i'm with the

chinese

i'm not with

khrushchev and the revisionist i was

with the chinese

i was riding with the chinese ak-47 you

understand the chinese type whatever the

fuck type 56 type of thing

i'm an afro-asiatic mediterranean male

and i got the light of carthage

on my skin i've got the light of

carthage i'm hannibal in this bitch i'm

hannibal

i'm not the

some motherfucking i'm not that fabulous

guy you know the fabian society is named

after that fabius guy who fought general

hannibal the best you guys know that i'm

not even kidding about that

i'm a carthaginian general i'm a maoist

i'm the dark i'm the the bizarro world

marxist leninist you understand i'm a

maoist i'm the chinese version i i fuck

with the chinese i roll with the chinese

i'm a tiger

i'm an amur tiger you understand and i'm

also a siberian far eastern

marxist leninist who was trying to

overthrow khrushchev see this is what

happened

the chinese

were dry they they flew a plane into

siberia

and i they they dropped me off the plane

with a parachute with nothing but a

knife in my mouth some camouflage and a

bandana and i was the chinese rambo who

was going to overthrow soviet

revisionism and start the cultural

revolution in the soviet union

i failed in my job because i had to

fight off several tigers before gaining

their respect and as i was on my way to

moscow to expose khrushchev's lies

about stalin

the kgb venetian marxist

i was caught by the kgb and they put me

in a cell for 96 days and i was being

tortured

thank you bonaparte i think i figured it

out us uk needs to sacrifice a

multicultural civilization state every

104 years napoleonic france 1815

waterloo austria-hungary 1919 they want

russia balkanized in 2023. mr bonaparte

i don't know if that's true i don't know

if that's true right

but thank you for the tenant chris

morale i thank you for the for the five

right

but

what i'm trying to say

is that so the kgb held me up and

torturing me for 96 days until a higher

up guy in the kgb got me released this

higher up dude

this dude knew things okay this dude was

he he he he brought me to his office

and uh

initiated me to a brotherhood in the

mountains

of tajikistan

and what i'll tell you is that magic is

real okay and then i was told at my

approach the rambo approach was false

and that i got to learn the ways of

ancient mysticism to start a

thermonuclear war in order to usher in

world communism and that they they were

planning it but they got they they got

the whole thing got fucked up long story

short now i'm here for cp usa 2036

and we're here

to reclaim the communist party of the

united states okay

okay and long story short that's what

we're dealing with okay

so

i need people to understand

that all these fake communists were

revisionists frauds

that's why they denounced me

they're revisionists i'm a maoist

i'm a maoist

i'm a terry crews marxist leninist

okay i'm a john cena marxist leninist

maoist

based

awes bro when are you having anna's

varufakis on

uh whenever i can wake up

at 9 a.m every day because he wants to

do it in the am time

he wants to do it in the am times

thank you adnan for that

400 rupees

appreciate you man

so now we're orange in this bitch you

know we're orange

and it's because it's going sundown

going sundown

when it goes sunday

i'm waiting to strike

okay i'm waiting to strike

solid snake in this bitch you want us

that

do you understand

i always wanted to make a video game

what do you guys think

we're a big ass knife is the only weapon

but you can like

there's a it's a first-person game where

you have a knife but like there's an

extreme level of control you have over

the movement like do it in both hands

and there's like all these combos you

can do and there's a huge move set and

then you can like customize your knife

and like engrave it and fucking like

poison it you can like fucking have a

you can have like a gold

unlimited customization of your knife

and that this is your main weapon

throughout the whole game and you fight

monsters like big ass fucking minotaurs

and shit and it's up close combat very

brutal and then when you cut it's

actually all like

graphically there like you're literally

cutting them no it's not in vr and then

it's got mirrors edge it's got mirrors

edge gameplay movement where it's like

parkour and shit and you're running on

skyscrapers from skyscraper to

skyscraper you're like jumping in cities

with your knife and shit and this is the

only thing you have is like a like a

moderately big knife it's like a

moderately big knife

like think of a lightsaber but it's like

small think of like a small lightsaber

and it's a knife it's not like magic

it's like a knife i think that would be

such a cool fucking game that'd be such

a cool fucking game

but no one will mean it

no one will make that game

okay but anyway i'm deviating let's talk

talk again about the communist party in

canada okay

let's talk about the communist party in

canada

should i react to the stein vs voss

debate

because i think there's nothing more to

talk about with the communist party of

canada besides no no besides the fact

that um

i find it interesting that it seems like

the only reason the corruption gets

exposed

yeah we are going to react to it the

only reason the corruption gets exposed

though remember this

is because of this rad lib ideological

disagreement like about the kke or

whatever which goes to show you

that both factions are corrupt

they're both corrupt

both factions are corrupt

because they don't base the party

they don't base their commitment to the

party

in belief

they don't base it in belief now what is

the significance of belief

is it just the same as religious belief

no because this belief

is proven through work

and that's my solution to the problem

we need these communist parties

to undergo a reform and opening up

which means we have to make them about

unleashing the forces of production

unleashing the growth of the party

let a thousand steve estrada's bloom

each club should start to viciously

darwinian competition

and power in the party should be

proportionate to how much success you

have

actually organizing the working masses

it should be an arms race to organize

the working masses under the central

leadership of the party

to me

as long as you don't have this you're

gonna have this dumb bullshit in the

party

as long as you don't have this

it's a combination of not being well

adjusted

to the information age and not

understanding anything about the

internet or this new deep post-edical

culture of the zoomer youth

and it also has to do with the fact

that the dogmatic sterility of the party

is giving rise to all these indulgences

where people are getting too comfortable

with their positions

and they're getting too comfortable with

the necrosis of the party

to the point where outright forms of

perversion are starting to blossom

suspending that freudian prohibition of

incest starting to prey on members of

the party to sexually satisfy themselves

and the reason they're doing that

is because they've learned to enjoy

their position of lazy failure

it's all under the rug and they just

brush it off they don't they don't care

they just ignore it

and i don't know what they have ignored

this shit if it wasn't for the

ideological disagreements

i don't know

when you sexually harass people

in a communist party

what you're basically doing

and you're a member of that communist

party

you're basically tacitly and implicitly

admitting

that you don't see the party as a

vehicle for growth

you don't believe in the party as the

party of the working class

you don't take seriously the possibility

that it'll ever go somewhere

you get so comfortable with your

position that you think it's all just

gonna stay the same so may as well make

the best of it while i'm here

you don't have a goal

you're just trying to be comfortable and

make yourself cozy in the party

this is the most disgusting thing you

can do to a communist party

is get comfortable

without the working masses there is no

communist party

without openness to the working masses

without deliverance to the material soil

of the people there is no communist

party

that's what i have to say

that's what i have to say now we're

gonna watch the alex stein debate

honestly i haven't really won

before it's my god so i'm gonna

introduce alex stein alex stein is a

hero of the people

he's one of the

i admire him

he's like the top 10 people i admire

right now

he is such a principled consistent you

know guy

true champion of the people he's not

bought out by anybody he attacks

crenshaw

calls out dan crenshaw these fake

globalist republicans

who are behind the great reset agenda

he's a real one this guy's a real one

thank you so much for the raid jackson

right in time for we're watching the

alex stein vosh

debate

so you're right in time for this react

content

but yeah he's super based i love the guy

so let's continue

it's dude

i can assure you it's uh

it's not the case that they all do all

the people that hate you hate me as well

i think a lot of them i was telling

someone yesterday

they i

some of the the people that are haters

are for one oftentimes very miserable

but also

they have this bizarre thing that if you

such as you a person like you defends a

view that is unconventional

such as some of the out there

good morning revolution

oh my god a fifth

gea off thank you man holy shit i did

not see that was a 50. gee off good

morning revolution

motherfucking oil prince out here g off

the off the oil prince i remember yuji

off

i remember you from twitch

i'll remember you from twitch

i already forgot from twitch i remember

me from twitch

thank you man appreciate you

og oil prince of infrared topics or

reviews that you've defended they think

that it's like my job as the moderator

to like jump in and correct him as well

and i'm like

what like this is a neutral platform

it's the other it's the job of the other

debater to interrupt and you know like

correct the person if they need to be

corrected

long story short i honestly think that

there are a lot of people who are just

very close

and who are like oh it's like

they have to be

bombarded and frankly teamed up on

with the moderator taking sides and so

if it gives you any consolation they

hate me just as much but you know what

oh it makes me feel so good they both

hate us and not just i mean i find

triggering them but yeah it's i enjoy it

you know you know i don't have any other

choice i'm prepping time

i'm on the grind no i'm really excited

for this debate i'm excited to get to

talk to fosh oh here let me change my

name i know it says prime time 99.

insane for ukraine

what a bullet improve his brain

edward lindsay that's because i troll so

many gas prices way too high

oh man things

you know what i mean i have to uh

understand i'm excited to debate yvosh

it's a it's a

pleasure and an honor my friend

of course

uh james it's good to see you good to

see you i hope you're doing well hope

you're enjoying your um

uh what is it game month i hope the game

month is going well for you thank you so

much yeah i just took down my christmas

tree before starting stream that's how

it's going for me

christmas tree

yeah i kept it up for a while it looked

good

oh very nice well actually i actually

still have christmas lights on my car i

know that's random on my forerunner i

still have my christmas lights but i'm

live on my channel too so

do not say the uh n word either vos you

know that word is not okay in my family

all right good to hear uh i'll cap it

this is going to be epic you guys so

as always it's a flexible five to ten

minute opening statement and

eduardo

thank you man

thank you eduardo appreciate you man

usually we have the affirmative go first

but if you guys wanted to change your

mind last minute you can before we go

live do you have a preference on who

goes first well it's up to vash i guess

i was kind of the challenger because i i

you know what i brought it up to you so

i'll go first or he can go first you can

choose since i uh i'm happy to go first

i'll break the ice sounds good

you got it i'm almost set over here and

then we'll be off to the races

let's see here so

yeah how's uh let's see i'm trying to

remember uh josh i remember you're in

washington right yes

how's the weather up there

too warm houses up here aren't really

insulated or built for warm weather and

they don't have central ac so it's going

to get pretty hot the next couple days

ah

well

i uh i love the heat i guess there's you

know there can be too much to anything

but i've so far i'm enjoying it i'm in

colorado and uh it's been pretty good

it's not too bad

i always wanted to visit colorado i hear

that it's really nice over there

i like it

but yeah

it's uh you talking about weather why

does vosh have a bigger mustache than a

beard i always notice something so weird

about how this guy looks

and i realized it's because his mustache

is bigger than his fucking chin beard

how would you have your mustache be

bigger than your this is such a stupid

way to have a beard or are you talking

about the scenery or

the people or

oh well i was talking about the um

the climate and the the forests for the

most part um but there are a lot of

things that i've heard good from there

i've some friends in colorado they've

always spoken nicely of the you know the

community there

that's cool it is yeah i like it it's

been fun here

and

cool we're good there so let me just

jlp back before it was cool um i'm

totally fine of course with him living

his truth unfortunately some of those

accusations weren't just him being gay

they were him being a predator so

what jesse lee peterson

what is going on with jesse lee peterson

mike audience

what i'm going to do is start the stream

just to be sure that we've got a good

connection

and

congress jesse lee peterson something's

going on with him what the fuck's going

on with jesse

it's a man and a cat it's impossible to

debate a cat church militants made a hit

piece

what they always win so

my cats uh

my cats are idiots um so it's true they

won't they won't help me

i think i've got i hear something i hear

like a little echo not an echo but like

your audio or something james maybe you

don't have headphones

um mike audience is also speaking of an

echo chat can you confirm whether or not

i still have an echo i don't know what

would be causing that either

gosh you got a little feedback like i

hear something playing in the background

yeah i hear that too let me check if

i've got like a youtube video or

something but i don't want to give

voshka to 90 try to discredit him some

of those accusations weren't and he was

taking advantage of jlp back i've been i

don't even louded by conservatives on

his show

amazing

did you see that jesse lee peterson did

you see he got exposed i was just on his

show as a groomer did you see that james

i the rumor that i've heard is that he's

being outed

by people on the something i saw on

dylan burns's channel he's being outed

by conservatives for preferring the

company of men which i think vosh was

why

the original like discoverer of that the

founder of such knowledge

but i don't even want to give bosch

credit not to try to discredit i'm

saying but dude he liked that gay porn

thing on twitter like that's what it was

you know i think that was what was the

unless you did

i was flirting with jlp back before it

was cool um i'm totally fine of course

with him living his truth unfortunately

some of those accusations weren't just

him being gay they were him being a

predator so that's pretty bad um

that's frightening

jesus what the fuck happened man

jesse b

peterson what's the story

and he was taking advantage and i mean

like feedback is still here

that is very strange hold on one second

it must

it must be coming from my microphone let

me mute myself on

some tech issue you know let me just

actually been going on those websites i

told you not to go on no i don't go on

those i i'm not allowed to anymore

my fbi agent is not letting me go on him

that joke never gets old for me

especially on you alex but let's see i'm

guilty ah

hey you know what hey jackson how do you

get that check mark

i need that check mark how the fuck do

you get that check mark

that's what i'm missing in my life

the youtube check mark how do i get that

because i was in alex stein's chat

and there was an infrared imposter

in my chat

oh you need a 100k

oh fuck

damn what a gatekeeping ass website

100k

it's gonna be forever man what was it uh

oh yeah yeah yeah i thought i was under

the impression that it was like i don't

know was it two years ago that bosh if i

remember right

you were snooping around

jesse lee peterson's likes on twitter

and you found that he had liked

this uh adult material and

record shattering

i heard

your voices alex

no that's not me that's vosh some some

it looks like he turned it off something

you just clicked turned it off

now it's the back on

now it's back on this is incredibly

bizarre you're you're playing some video

in the background i'm playing some video

in the background i have i just think i

don't know that but that's what it seems

like because when you unplug whatever

uh just give me a moment sorry

kyle

it's maybe the the fad they're listening

i've been checking

these as well any shows and weird

studies when it comes to bias biasing on

isn't on his data

and

two seconds

just wondering

okay here we go three two one

hey everybody saying we're debating

whether or not it's okay for kids to go

to drag queen shows and we're starting

right now

with vosh's opening statement thanks so

much for being with us watch the floor

is all yours

yeah um simple answer is depends on the

drag queen show because drag queen shows

can be like a lot of different things um

the issue is like right now we're

experiencing um pretty near record local

inflation we're dealing with a lot of

real civic issues and i feel like in

times like these there are some people

who want to distract from those issues

and lock us in an interminable culture

war debate over things that don't yeah

this is uh

this is incredible opportunism

so culture war is is just when

it's the thing i don't want to be given

attention a widespread way

but you know critique identity politics

gets in the way of class struggle that's

class reductionism

you know it's funny because bosh

if people had more attention on this

crisis i think they would turn that

attention against biden also by cons

what are you saying right i think

putin's saying people should be just

blaming putin for their problems instead

of focusing on widespread child abuse

right really mean anything in this case

you know we're talking about something

that is um you know i think calling it a

bit of a moral panic might even be a bit

too charitable here you know uh now when

it comes to like why should people care

about this where are we deriving the

sphere from well i know it's not for

many studies it's my knowledge no

studies or collected data on like harm

done to children do direct shows

um why are so many people mad about like

all these child abuse because there's

like any studies match any studies

like there's no studies behind that

feeling imagine if you you found out

your kid

god forbid something happened to your

child

and then you report it to the police and

they're like are there any studies

behind like why this bothers you like

why does this even bother you any

studies

no studies behind this

if there are i'm about to be blindsided

by them then i will be absolutely

astonished but i don't think that's

going to happen in the absence of those

studies when it comes to explaining how

it is harmful for children to be at drag

shows you know what we often rely on is

narrativization we spin stories about

what drag shows are like we make them

sound very scary we use loaded language

to charge people's emotions and direct

them against the thing they already have

a bias against

i don't care like if you're a normal

person

and you're persuaded by this shit that

boss is saying

you're already a nerd you're already

like one of those people like actually

um

yeah bosh is right like

he's breaking it down we're

pretty much like

you know we're pretty much being a

little too human we need to be more like

computers we're treating everything like

that we need to treat our children like

variables in the machine and once we do

that we realize it's not really rational

to care that our children are being

abused like

things are just being spinned in a

really irrational human way

and we need to be more like the lambda a

eibach

and nerds are like oh so true voge

very logical

peace and prop what is that star trick

shit you're so right bosh so logical

so very logical vosh

that's the thing that type of behavior

only really works if you have a

pre-existing bias you know to a person

who is terrified of birds you can

narrative how it's irresponsible to let

your children go to the boardwalk

because there might be seagulls there

you know their big cloying mouths and

their shriek piercing cries the you know

tendency of them to swoop down on

tourists and grab french fries sometimes

fighting with the tourists calling their

eyes you know if a person has a fear of

birds this might be a very compelling

argument um but we take kids to the

boardwalk anyway so i guess i'm just

wondering like what specific elements of

drag shows do we think are inappropriate

for children a drag show is just a kind

of um gender performance it's wearing

costume and affecting behaviors where

gender identity or presented identity

are like the central themes of the show

the sources of this go back literal

millennia you know in fact i believe the

term drag is literally taken from

tendencies in old english theater for

men to dress up as women in theater

parts this happened all the way back in

the roman days i mean this goes back a

long time so why the panic now right now

personally i think it's because folks

are scared of gender unconformity scared

of gay people you know scared of trans

people and want to fear monger over them

same way they have been for

a really long time you know just

standard screeching degeneracy you know

no thought no wisdom no introspection

just reached screech but if we were to

say you know this or that isn't

appropriate for children what

characteristics are we looking for i'm

sure there are some drag shows that are

inappropriate for kids

how about don't take your children to

shows

with primarily sexually charged content

how about that

don't bring your children to shows with

primarily

sexually charged content

some of them and then there are some

that are like pg g even you know the

only possible harm the only thing

insipid about them or harmful you could

think of really um it's just the fact

that there's something that a lot of

people aren't comfortable with which is

drag clothing but it's not really an

argument right it's a free country

discomfort with something doesn't mean

that you should be able to bar people's

children from being there you know i

don't like seafood i don't i don't think

you should keep children from going to

seafood restaurants anyway those are my

arguments uh go right ahead

you got it thank you very much for that

opening box and everyone i'm here at

modern day folks what the fuck

how about there's something inherently

adult about drag

itself

it's an inherently adult thing

to hypersexual you know what i mean it's

gonna it's inherently sexual it's

inherently adult like simple as that

these are these are the things of the

adult world it's like fetishes and

you know all that kind of shit like

why are you exposing children to that

it's pretty simple

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that out you know or alex stein thanks

for being with us basically

okay well you know and i just started by

saying i think josh made a good point

there is a little bit of what i call gay

panic that's a little you know overdone

right now and you know i'm considered

conservative and ever since i went to

the drag queen excuse me drag your kids

to pride event where kids are being

sexualized and tipping the women like

you know or the drag queens like

strippers i'm getting a lot of outrage

for people sending me normal drag you

know drag brunches and that's i'm like

come on i don't want to go to a normal

drag branch and i think the focus of

this is a drag event that is focused

towards children so you know in that

sense i do think we're going a little

too far because i have a libertarian

mindset when it comes to that if you

want to be a drag queen i think that's

totally okay see for me where it becomes

a problem because the problem is is

right now we have a society that's over

sexualizing our young people and i think

it was different when we were young when

i would go in the internet i had 56k

modem it's literally called drag your

kids to pride

um what

how do you defend that

you get attacked i think it was like 14

or 15 so we had a playboy magazine that

we'd like pass around but now with the

invention of the internet and with a

cell phone a kid is on an ipad they can

literally type in boobs and they can

find you know all kinds of disgusting

stuff right you know so they have more

access to pornography now so i think

just over overall society of sexualizing

children now the reason why there's a

panic going on with uh you know kids

going to drag shows is for me i think

the worst part about it is the sexual

imprinting that it will have on a young

kid's mind i still remember one of the

first times that i was ever attracted to

a woman i remember it was the movie um

teen wolf with michael j fox at the

beginning of the movie the girl i was in

a bra amber being sexually aroused and

that was a young thing i don't know and

i remember losing my virginity like it

was yesterday and i'm you know that was

a long time ago because i'm a pimp on a

point but that's here no there so what

i'm saying is your first sexual

experiences are often very memorable a

lot different than like the sexual

experiences i had in college you know so

the reason why is because your brain is

very malleable you know these things

imprint on your brain so the reason why

the sexual drag show for a child is not

okay is because first of all we

shouldn't exercise children the same

reason there's an age to drink alcohol

the same reason there's an age to go to

the military this is the same reason

there's age requirements or anything

there should be an age requirement for a

kid to go to a drag show because when a

kid goes to a drag show and they see a

man dressed as a woman in a thong and

breast they might organically become

sexy aroused and then later on in life

they find out that was a man and now

they might have sexual confusion and i

think we live in a world where a lot of

people have sexual confusion because

they've been desensitized by all the

sexualization that's around them so for

me it is the long-term effects of the

desensitization of young kids sexual

experiences by going to an adult drag

show now he could say oh well going a

kid going to hooters is that too i don't

necessarily think the young kids should

go to hooters i don't think young kids

should be sexualized i mean should there

be a limit you know you know in states

there's age of consent laws maybe you

could argue that when they're at the age

of consent law they could go to a drag

show but the one that i went to had very

young kids i'm talking about toddlers

five six-year-olds that were on their

you know on their video game nintendo

handheld nintendo's the parents were

putting them down and making them watch

the drag the drag queen so this is the

problem is we have a society now where

parents are using children as like

social media clout in order to

transition them in order to you know

over sexualize them because they're

trying to fix some sort of trauma that

happens in their life and i think bill

maher who's a huge leftist he made a

very good point the amount of kids that

are transitioning and on gender hormone

therapy in los angeles compared to ohio

is you know it's like 10 000 times more

i'm just saying that number generally

but it's a lot more the reason why is

because having a trans kid is a lot like

having a vegan cat it's the parents

making the decision so the problem and

all this how this connects to the drag

could drag your kids to pride of it is

these kids aren't making the decision

it's their parents these kids don't have

the ability to get in a car and drive

there they don't even know what they're

going to remember my mom would take me

to the mall i would hate it you know i

mean much like my mom never dragged me

into a drag queen story time you know

thank god but this is another reason so

in my experience when i went to the drag

uh drag your kids to pride event where

it was a drag race or whatever you want

to call it a dragon event four children

it was very unusual because there was a

glass of doors where normally they'd

have windows and there were protesters

outside i was one of them but they

covered up the windows with paper like

trying to hide the event so if

everything was in there it was just so

kosher and you know non-sexual not a big

deal i don't think they would have to

hide in the shadows and do this so for

me it's just wrong on all levels letting

a young person see this and get sexually

confused and later on in life they might

have sexual confusion because your first

experiences with any sort of sexual um

whether it's an actual sexual experience

or seeing pornography or seeing anything

you know overtly sexual on a tv or a

movie it doesn't print some sort of

memory on your brain that's different

than when you're older and you're more

desensitized to it because you're extra

sensitive to it the younger you are so

since you're more sensitive to the

content that you're seeing at a younger

age it has more of a damage to your mind

so that's why we need to protect young

kids and not take them to drag shows

that's why there should be legislation

where we outlaw that and i'm not saying

you should outlaw drag shows you can

have drag shows all day long go ahead i

mean i'm all about that libertarian

mindset you know i think that's totally

okay i think you know there is a little

bit of overpanic against the lgbtq um

community but i think that's because the

lgbtq community

is becoming you know so ingratiated in

everyday's lives and this is the problem

is there's no difference between me and

a gay man except for who they have sex

with you know what i mean and so i don't

know how we define people by what they

do in their bedroom i don't care if

you're gay straight lesbian bisexual i

really don't care i like you all the

same it's just your whole identity

should not be what you do sexually so

that's the problem with these events is

that we're using a very sexual

connotation a drag show where kids are

tipping them as if they're a stripper

that's what happens at these drag events

these drag brunches you tip them like

you're simulating a strip club i

wouldn't i wouldn't be okay with a young

kid going to a heterosexual strip club

much less a place where they're going to

be sexually confused because they might

be attractive because some of these you

know drag queens they're so effective

with their makeup they're so effective

with their synthetic breasts and their

thongs you could very easily be confused

so it's that confusion and that

sensitivity of their brain and their

sexual experiences is why we have to

protect yeah i get what he's saying

i do get what he's saying

like you have to not only think in a

super

logical way you have to also think in a

more intuitive way and it's like

like yeah it is confusing you know

because the truth is most people are

straight most people are gonna most

people are straight

and most people are gonna grow up

straight okay so

that shit is really like when you're a

kid it's like

it's kind of scary you know when i was a

kid

like i hate to break it you guys when i

was a kid

i found lgbt shit disturbing okay

because it it's like

not because like oh you're getting

aroused which is cause it's like it was

literally like a

like a horror movie to me it was like

what the fuck is going on i'm scared

like what is going on like this is scary

and am i like you know

why do they have such child like

aesthetics like rainbows and shit like

that

and it seems like there's something

really dirty and like bad behind

the surface and even violence and scary

it's like

that's how i feel like that's how

i don't know if i yeah i mean the i

guess the confusion thing in the sense

of like oh you might get attracted to it

is one thing but then there's also just

the tr the trauma right you know

sexuality is inherently traumatizing in

general

and when it's when sexuality does not

make sense to you

as a kid

it's extremely traumatizing it's

extremely traumatizing and that's what i

that's what i think that's why i think

there's a unique problem

with exposing kids to lgbt shit right

because it's traumatizing

because

look

i'm gonna go ahead and like play the

devil's advocate for all the parents

that are boycotting the buzz lightyear

movie

because there's like a scene where

there's a lesbian couple that kisses

which china banned by the way china is

not letting light here sell in their

country because china does not want

china told disney hey you have to censor

that part with these same-sex couple and

disney said no and china's like okay you

can't you can't show your movie in our

country

but um

just letting you know but i think the

reason why lgbt shit more than other

stuff like for example in a disney movie

when a straight couple kind of is

kissing on the cheek or whatever

that's the reason i think that's okay is

because

you're used to that it makes sense to

you when you're a kid because that's

what your parents do in front of you and

it just makes sense to you right there's

like an order to it but lgbt issues

do not make sense to you

because you're not fucking ready to

understand the nature of sexuality in

general you're not ready to understand

that shit okay so that's why it's

traumatizing for kids that's why it's

bad for kids

um if you want to say haas why is lgbt

inherently sexual but not

heterosexuality because the

overwhelmingly majority of people are

heterosexual the overwhelming majority

of people are heterosexual

so it's not inherently

defined by this exceptional sexuality

it's integrated somehow

as a cultural norm that is not

inherently sexual and if you want to

fucking sit here and tell me that lgbt

is not inherently sexual then why does

every fucking pride parade involve

public displays of nudity

public sex and all this crazy

hyper-sexualized shit

you know

you can't have your cake you need to and

be like oh yeah getting rid of all the

porn from pride

is is um is is is assimilationism they

call it assimilationism

okay well that is why you can't show it

to children because according to you

lgbt is inherently hypersexual

it's defined by the exception to sexual

norms which makes it inherently sexual

the reason

heterosexuality is not as inherently

sexual when it's presented to children

as lgbt types of sexuality

is because it is so well integrated as a

cultural and societal norm

that children can be exposed to faint

examples of it

like you know

a mom and dad kissing

briefly like not making out but just

kind of like kissing on the lips

whatever yeah kids can be exposed to

that because like that's not inherently

sexual because they're in in their minds

that's like a normal thing that mom and

dad do now we don't know why they do it

but whatever right it's normal

um

but when it comes to something

inherently defined by the exception to

the sexual norm which is what lgbt is

that is going to traumatize children's

minds okay that's why i'm fucking saying

this shit i think that's the best

argument you can make about this stuff

kids at all cost from them going to

these events now listen i'm not going to

attack you i don't i don't i don't want

to get into like an ad hominem attack

where i attack you alex steinem

okay sorry about that let me delete that

alert box okay what i'm saying back to

my point is we're having a situation

we're having a society where young kids

are being the victim of child grooming

now you can say oh well that's like if

we get to a point where it becomes

normalized

then fine

but it's clearly not normalized yet

so when disney is putting that in their

movie

they clearly have an agenda it's clearly

based on an agenda right now you could

say haas disney's just trying to

normalize it but you don't normalize

that shit through movies you don't

normalize it through like media

that becomes normalized when you know it

somehow can be

but

you know in a sense i don't ever think

it is going to be normalized i i think

lgbt

will always be an exception to the norm

i i think it'll always be a minority

i think majority of humanity will always

be heterosexual

because the majority of humanity has

always been heterosexual now we do need

to find a way

to tolerate

people we need to find a way to tolerate

exceptions to that norm

and allow them to be human

but

those are not issues children

should be exposed to until they're

adults those are not issues children

should be exposed to okay

that's my position like majority of

humanity will always be heterosexual

so

sexual norms will always be heterosexual

heteronormativity is never gonna go away

okay

so there has to be a way

to not exclude or demonize harass or

penalize people who are exceptions or

deviations from that heteronormativity

we need to be able to

tolerate those people right but

you cannot abstract lgbt sexuality and

then thrust that on children you can't

they're not ready for that shit

they're not

you know i just think

i just think like you know

look maybe it will be normalized somehow

one day and i'm not

saying i'm against that i'm just saying

until it is like this shit confuses

children

when you're doing it on purpose

when it's shit like let's say disney

didn't do it on purpose and it's somehow

like fit in the movie and whatever but

it's like it's pretty clear they did it

to send a message right

and i think that's what the fucking

problem is right like

you know

i'm not saying if a kid sees an uh like

a same-sex couple holding hands in

public

you know that is inherently

a crime

or so yeah that is also normal that's

also innocent or whatever right

but

when you're inserting that in children's

media i mean i don't know right

i don't know

and i wouldn't be saying this if it

wasn't for the fact that it is a

minority it's such a small minority you

know

yeah you look at disney movies today

compared to disney movies in the past

when they talk about you know the

same-sex relationships and those that

they'll keep it here in america but they

take out oftentimes in china and in

these other foreign countries in saudi

arabia they don't post a rainbow flag so

my problem is that we have a culture and

corporations that don't have the ability

to feel empathy they're taking advantage

of young kids and basically brainwashing

them into a mindset of sexual confusion

that they might not be ready for and

then i know at a young age being five

six seven years ago yeah i think you're

right jennifer i think the issue is that

it's being overly done

relic like here and there if you give

representation

you know in a way that's proportionate i

guess to the prevalence of the phenomena

i don't think that's

the worst thing in the world but like

it's so clearly overly done and i think

that's why there's a backlash you know

i think

it's overly done to the point where i

think it is mentally traumatizing to

children

if it wasn't so overly done i don't

think it would be traumatizing i'd i

think it'd be one of those things where

you'd just be like oh okay whatever

right

but when it's so overly done

and it become like yeah there's shit you

know

i was not ready to hang out at a bar

like i okay i i um

i have younger cousins

who

told me

well they didn't tell me they told their

other cousins who told me

what's going on on the in these

elementary schools now and

i'm telling you shit is

and i don't even know if i could say

it's not it's not necessarily like

um

i'm not talking about abuse i'm just

talking about like the kids are confused

okay they're really confused like

let me just hint at it this way like

to be a cool kid this is what i was told

maybe i'm wrong but i don't know if you

guys heard this too apparently like in

elementary school now like the cool kids

are the ones who identify as

um

different

like if you're not different in some

kind of way then you're not cool you're

like like that's what's fashionable so i

i don't know it's like

that i just find that you know a little

strange

that's you know for adults and that's

often times where these drag branches

are at bars because they serve alcohol

so we need to as a society stand up for

our children because i think they're the

biggest victim of the child's grooming

that's obvious and now you can say you

look at all the teachers that have been

caught a sexy grooming you heard that

too okay thank god because like i heard

about that and i didn't even know if it

was real or not

so i was like is that true but they like

insist like yes this is actually what's

going on

and then i was like what the fuck but

now that you guys are saying that you

were hearing about the same thing yeah

it's fucking weird

that was not the case when i was growing

up it just was not my children you look

at all of the people in the catholic

church that have been caught uh sexy

grooming children you look at the border

crisis there's all kinds of sex

trafficking you look at dennis hastert

who was speaker of the house was it a

pedophile you look at jeffrey epstein

who flew on the lowly express with bill

clinton 26 times with no secret service

you look at whom abedin's husband

anthony weiner was sexting young

children he went to jail for it so

there's people in high powerful

positions kentucky brown jackson her

resume is very lacks on shot people that

are convicted of child pornography so i

don't really think it is a conspiracy in

my mind even i'm a conspiracy theorist

that there are people in powerful

positions that are trying to sexualize

our children so for me we have to do

whatever we can to protect them and keep

them away from traction because that is

just a slippery slope where it's going

to be more sexual exploitation and more

sexual confusion for young people that

are super sensitive to the content that

they're seeing

you got it thank you very much for that

opening statement i missed the donor

from goku fuck

i can't even rewind it thank you goku

yo bro you made front page on r gaming

circle jerk for your tweets you made a

bunch of reddit gamers mad lol

yo bro you made front page on r slash

gaming circle jerk for your tweets you

made a bunch of reddit gamers mad lol

jesus

this has 500 000 members

man

oh it's only it's not that big it's only

like 276.

how do these people know who the fuck i

am

a 30 year old virgin who is an unironic

strasserist

uh

it's so funny like how like

guys can you

the only correct part of this sentence

is that i'm a self-described stalinist

so 30 years old wrong i'm 25

uh virgin um

i'll i'll let you guys

think what you want about that one okay

um i'll let you guys uh

decide if that's true or not

who is an unironic strasserist

um no uh no

um

no i mean there's like

see when you're saying i'm an unironic

straws you're making it seem like like

you're accusing me of secretly being one

right

but that's not the same as like you know

you make it seem like i'm like a i'm a

strasserist you just google search me

you'll know i'm not a strategist

okay

then um

who's an ultra nationalist for the usa

okay

just z-jack

yeah this is the correct answer unironic

stalinist

how do so many people know who the fuck

i am like all these people in this

thread are reacting to it oh they're all

fucking um

these are all people who are like from

other

this is crazy like they all

recognized me so they upvoted it

these are all political people who

uploaded this shit

um

wow interesting

should we revive the reddit no

but um

let's just continue to let them think

it's not a joke i i'm i really like the

idea they think it's serious let's just

let them think it's serious still

i want them to live in terror that this

is gonna happen

so let's just yeah

why do people say i'm 30 years old

i'm 25 how am i 30 years old

what about me is 30 years old the fuck

why do they say i'm 30 where the fuck

does that come from i'm sorry but by 30

i'm not gonna be doing this shit okay by

30 i'm gonna have accomplished a little

more than just this okay

25 what the fuck

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all right well i've got a lot to respond

to there um unfortunately 90 of it

wasn't about the subject at hand um this

is what i mean unfortunately about

narrativization there's a lot of stuff

that you threw in there that i mean is

about as meaningful as you might get

from like a random word generator um

sexual confusion for example um you're

gonna need to sell me pretty hard on the

idea that there is some kind of social

cancer associated with children seeing

men dressed as women and finding them

hot and then later realizing they were

in dragon getting damaged by it that's

just i i don't know if this is a

self-core thing i just don't consider

this like a thing even worth thinking

about um this is you know

dude this dude is not even human

like us this is the type of dude who

just like gives you a blank stare

at an abuse victim they're just like oh

somewhat

what a terrifying world what a nightmare

i i leave to the contours of the brains

of the people who experience this very

strange problem you know i leave them to

their own issues um you threw in there

that um transient more common in

california than i believe ohio i mean

yeah obviously uh trans youth are more

likely to make it known that they're

trans if they know their parents are

supportive or if they know what trans

people are an awareness of what trans

people are and that you can share that

with your friends and family is usually

what leads people to come out as trans

ohio has presumably fewer trans family

parents than um california does so that

makes total sense we see similar

patterns happening in other parts of the

world we saw the same happen with a lot

of other things like being gay for

example or even left-handed us you know

about 100 years ago um so we have that

um i guess i want to get back to the

drag thing because you didn't you didn't

tell me what about the drag shows he

didn't like you know so you said like

the kids giving the people money well

you can give like buster's money you

know um on third street promenade in los

angeles i'm sorry in santa monica like

there are people out there pretending to

be robot men with like silver paint all

over their skin or who are playing the

guitar and like people will give their

kids dollar bills to hand to the you

know the person who's busted

performing whatever i don't know if

there's anything weird about that

necessarily if there's like a drag show

that's very like sexual and everyone's

like super dressed down or whatever i

think that's inappropriate for kids but

that's not most drag shows certainly not

the ones marketed towards children um

like the drag queen story hour thing for

example you know conservatives are so up

in arms about this that the texas gop

named them in their list of priorities

in 2022. and every time i see a picture

from drag queen story hour is somebody

wearing like more clothing than i am now

they're wearing more clothing than you

are now like they're wearing like

mountains of clothing it's basically

just a halloween costume you know con

just don't like it because there's like

a gender element there but that's not

linked to any harm there's not like

anybody substantiate harm being done

there i agree that we should protect

children from adverse

okay so first he says

children tipping a guy in a robot

costume

is the same as tipping someone wearing

drag

and they said

i i don't see why it's harmful

for children to be exposed to

hypersexuality

social effects but the thing is if

you're going to make a psychiatric case

for this like there has to be some kind

of evidence we know that it's harmful

for example like to sexualize children

by making them the sexual object like

for example if there's a child who's

being like told to perform a dance

whatever i think that can be pretty bad

um or like the idea of like grooming

like when an older person is trying to

like come on to a younger person or um

try to like prepare them for

exploitation that's obviously very bad

but kanzi is grooming so ubiquitously

now that grooming includes like seeing a

guy in a dress and that's just i mean

you know that's just very silly and it

goes back to the nervization thing you

know if you're afraid of birds that

sounds scary but if that's a you thing

you know

yeah well okay i'll just address a

couple things you said i think at the

beginning you said of what you just said

you know there's no proof that uh

sexualization of a child of a child

would affect them later on in life i

believe

i didn't say that i just said that

sexualization of a kid would be negative

for them but what was the first thing

you said because i was talking about how

it had you know has long-term effects

you said there's no studies that would

find that they would have the idea of it

being harmful for a kid to see a guy in

a dress and think they're cute but then

later realize they're a guy and be

damaged by that is a completely

fictitious fragment of and think they're

cute

um

you're or somebody who knows psyche

being projected into this conversation

this is why i would disagree with that

so if somebody was molested by their

priest by a male priest you know at a

young age maybe they were touched

sexually by a male do you think that

that would cause sexual confusion later

others what does molestation have to do

with seeing a guy in a dress

because it's not just seeing a guy in

the dress

that's not what you're saying that's not

what these drag queen shows are about

just with all those

seeing a drag queen and finding them hot

which kid's fine i mean kids can find

them yeah i know when i was like under

school i thought my teachers saw

whatever and then like they really first

of all i don't know how the kid would be

if they're at a drag show i think they

know it's a drag show but even if they

even if they didn't like know or

whatever or they just saw a drag queen

walking the street like during a

festival or something i had no idea and

then like later they realized it was

drag and that hurt them i don't get that

i like the seams made up so you don't

think sexual abuse at a young age has it

like what's that wait i keep saying

something and then you're like okay well

you do right

right no no

we're talking about this well this is

what i'm saying well here let me just

say this point

that i use not like

yourself it's hard to repeat it but this

is my point being is that these people

when they go to these events it's not

like you said tipping a busker outside

like you're tipping somebody playing the

piano or playing the guitar on the

street it's not that often times it's

simulating like a strip club and i'm

sure you've been to a strip club you put

money in their g-string you put money in

their clothes and it's a very sexual

connotation so it's not the same as out

on the street putting a dollar bill into

a hat would you i don't think most of

these i don't think most of these drug

shows are having kids walk up and like

put dollar bills in these jesus you

didn't watch people they're wearing a

lot of books

bad things happen everywhere i'm sure

there are drag shows that have happened

which i believe are irresponsible but

you're talking about all drag shows and

children and mind you the point we're on

right now isn't the tipping it's on the

section so i mean if you're gonna say

it's an exception you're pretty much

saying like oh yeah that was an isolated

incident

rather than representative of you have

to account for boss why did this

specifically happen

is it because the area stein was in was

like

particularly disposed to this be like

why was it so normalized in like nevada

but not in you know wyoming right is

there something about that place that is

you know i mean like no it's pretty much

a unit it says something universal you

know unless you can prove how it's an

exception or why it's an exception

actual confusion thing i don't get that

how does it harm a kid to see or to be

attracted to like like a drag queen

right then later they're like oh it's a

drag queen like what's this would you

argue that you're more sexually

sensitive at a younger age and that you

like it's just like mass shootings like

oh is this just shit that happens in new

york or texas no it could happen

anywhere right get desensitized towards

sex as you get older unless you can

demonstrate that there's some

exceptional factor that is unique to

this place that can't

that isn't like representative of the

rest you know do you agree with that

boss i don't i i don't know what that

means exactly i think that you're more

you come on

sensitive with all due respect with all

due respect

absolutely

depends it depends what you mean by

sensitive because if by sensitive you

mean like susceptible to then the answer

is no i'm way way way more perceptive of

sexual

influences okay

let's make it easy let's make it easy

the more time you use the more times you

see your breath the first time you see

your press is your brain have a bigger

chemical reaction than the thousandth

time you've seen the pair of breasts um

i imagine i i remember it being pretty

cool the first time i saw it that's

exactly my point

have watch zero my mom would have been

breastfeeding me

listen what i'm saying is we're not

talking about the time and we know that

you were raised on formula boss you can

tell it's not a big deal wait

[Laughter]

oh okay debate's over he he won that

debate that's

yeah that's that's a done deal

debate's over that's wrecked

wait i'm sorry i'm just teasing i'm just

teasing where are you

if you had to wait till you were 18 to

see it that's on you okay um listen i

didn't wait till 18. i remember my first

city like it was yesterday that's my

support i wasn't i didn't even have a

prefrontal cortex developed when i saw

my first city and i guess i i don't feel

like getting breastfed naturally by my

mother led to me uh having you know

negative uh confusion down the line i

just don't i don't get it like you see a

drag queen it's not all drag queens

you're like guys dressed up like girls

or whatever but you know a lot of them

are you see that like oh they're cute

then why do you think they're a drag

queen where's the harm what's the heart

where where's the harm like where what

psychiatric damage would you be able to

identify as a product of that i just

think it could be very simple because

people have sexual confusion later on in

life people are very insecure most

people are insecure right and so let's

say later on in life they realize oh

well i was attracted when my first

sexual experience was being attracted to

a man that was just as a woman i think i

personally think that that have

long-term effects similar to that if you

were molested by a person of the same

sex or even an opposite sex

because your first sexual experiences

can if they're like traumatic or you

didn't want them to happen they weren't

by your choice like a parent dragging

you to a direct show it can often times

be you know uh very traumatic is my

point so if you don't have a traumatic

sexuality

as a kid and you you would be like oh

yeah dude i felt that when i was six

years old i saw a drag queen and they

were hot and then later i realized they

were a drag queen well i wouldn't even

play station it's not in a way yeah

massively like isn't that kind of no no

this

i think stein was trying to make a

general point about how

um

children's minds can be affected

um by these

you know overtly

displays of hypersexuality

and that example he gave probably isn't

the only example

there's probably other examples too but

that was just like the general point he

was trying to make

but vos just wants to specifically focus

on this one example

as if it is unthinkable

to entertain the possibility that

children being exposed to hypersexual

displays

could get mentally fucked up somehow by

that you know

we're traumatized

i don't think so at all i think by uh

exposing kids even to pornography as a

form of molestation and i think that

this would be a sexualization of people

wearing clothes that is very uh sexual

so yeah i would think that this is a

form is it is that i'm talking about i

think there's a spectrum i'm saying i

think there's i think there's a spectrum

of legislation there's worse molestation

i'm just saying all molestation is bad

i'm saying it can be worse there's forms

and less stations that are worse than

other forms so i think i think this is a

form of molestation which involves no

contact whatsoever yeah you don't have

to you don't have to physically touch

you don't have to physically if you if i

was to expose my genitals to somebody

that is a form of molestation you want

to touch them we're talking about fully

clothed people here so i don't feel but

they're not necessarily fully clothed i

wouldn't consider a thong fully clothed

i've been to drag shows thongs are by

far not the most common and i've yet to

see by the way a drag show from any of

these right-wing ops undercover of like

a drag show where anyone was wearing a

thong usually i can show you i can pull

it i mean okay

let's call it a bikini cut let's call it

a bikini

yeah on twitter i think i've seen that

on twitter so

i i'm it's literally all over twitter

but you're the one attacking drag queens

as a concept here no and i don't want to

attack drag queens as a concept i

actually said the drag queens are fine i

don't want children to experience drag

shows when they're too young i think

that they should wait to be of age

because i think that it has long lasting

traumatic effects

because we have evidence that actual

molestation the word when used correctly

is harmful to children you know

i'm not using the word if your parents

drag you to an event that you did not

choose to go to no you're never again

i'm

do you think these children are getting

in their cars that they can't legally

drive and going and finding and seeking

out these drag events on their own

they're being taken there by adults

you're not getting the off topic adults

choose every place children go so

obviously exactly so if a kid doesn't

get to choose where they get sexualized

we're only talking about you saying that

seeing a drag queen just maybe like 50

feet away thinking they're hot and then

later realizing that that's not that's

not what i'm saying i'm saying

i'm not saying

across the street

you're much closer but what i saw is the

kids were touching the drag queens

it wasn't 50 feet across the street

yeah i just want to say alex first of

all let me remind you of what you're

saying here okay because you keep

writing a different topic like you're

scared of the one you brought up i'm not

scared of this topic you're trying to

you're trying to change the topic to

molestation yeah to see a drag queen as

a child add a dragon

i'm not talking about oh you just see a

drag queen you see two wong fu or

whatever

i'm talking about

what are you talking about is going like

alex please you have to know your

response let me clarify what i mean

you're not helping me i'm trying to tell

you what i need intervals guys just

because

i'm trying to change what i'm trying to

say it's like alex just for people to

hear you guys i'll give you guys two

minutes i just i just want to lay out

what he said so he can explain it to me

i just wanted to i never said about

across the street

you said

looking at a trans or something

at a drag show so looking at it

this effect of sexual confusion of being

inherently attracted to a drag queen and

then later realizing their drag queen

and being confused that can only happen

at a drag show but it can't happen if

you just see a drag queen outside on a

smoke break it's not possible for that

to happen that's not what i'm saying i'm

just saying it's more likely to happen

at these dragon balls where they're up

there

they just like wound children i get what

you're trying to do but i'm talking

about a kid at a drag show where they're

tipping them and they're two feet from

the drag queen not just seeing a drag

queen

this is a sexual implantation when you

go to it when a child goes to a drag

show and they tip the drag queen and

they're interacting with the drag queen

that is what i'm talking about that is a

sexual implantation i understand how you

cannot understand that i'm not talking

about walking the street 50 feet away

i'm talking about the kids that are

going to a drag show like the topic of

this debate why that is bad and i know

that you understand what i'm saying so

you're trying to you know distract them

it doesn't matter it's talking about

going to a drag show and experiencing

the event

oh my god dude this fucking boss guy let

me let me break down the soap history

that boss is engaging in

so alex says

so you're going up in person and you're

tipping them

uh in person

so the broader again maybe there's

something wrong with voss's brain where

he can't

differentiate generals from particulars

or general implications from particular

examples

which is very possible i think he did

say he might have autism or something

there's nothing wrong with that but

just to illustrate what alex is trying

to say

um children tipping

these people up close and personal

suggests a very intimate

um context

under which the contact between the drag

persons and children

uh

is being defined as okay it's a it's a

it's a very up close and personal and

overly sexual context

that is defining the the form of

contact

whereas

seeing a drag person on a smoke break

30 feet away

that form of contact is clearly not as

intimate or as um

up close and personal okay

now the reason vos is focusing on the

tipping is because you can't divorce the

general point from the particular

example which is the problem right

stein is just trying to say it's not

just tipping it's

they're also interacting with them

directly it's also being

up close and personal

you know it's being directly put in

front of them as the target audience

not only as the target audience

spectacle wise but in a way that's

interactive now someone who's just

across the street 30 feet away

is not making you the target audience if

you're the audience that's just an

incidental accident you're not the

subject of that performance it's not for

you

okay so that's what alex stein is trying

to say

now when wash

is

trying to focus on oh

they have to be tipping them and you

don't know what you don't understand the

general point you're trying to make

so you know that's a big part of it they

get tipped money do you understand

they're going to adult drive shows do

they tip them do they tip them often no

no i've been the ones where they don't

usually the stage is too high you even

throw money up just flutters in the air

look so if tipping's not the relevant

part there so the relative part is going

to the drag show the relevant part kids

being exposed to dragon ball z

where the harm is coming from because i

thought you were saying the harm is

coming from merely being attracted to a

drag queen as a kid which can happen

regardless of the context in which you

see a drag queen it can happen

in order to refute the general he has to

refute all the particulars which make up

the general

um fatty lord no that is just

again that that is a symptom of a mental

disorder okay

or a mental disability and there's

nothing wrong with that

but typically in an argument if you want

to refute a general point

you have to

question the essentiality

up close and personal forms of content

you just be like well what's wrong with

children interacting with

these people

in these up close and personal intimate

ways there's nothing wrong with that

and there's nothing wrong with that for

x y and z reasons that would be refuting

the general point

but when you

or maybe you're trying to say vos is

trying to say

that no the children are not interacting

with

these drag queen performers in a very up

close and personal

kind of like direct way

just because they're tipping

which is not even what alex is saying

he's just saying the tipping is an ex if

they're if they're literally going and

tipping them they're interacting with

them like that's what he's that's his

reasoning right

like i don't know how you think i don't

know what what logic you're operating on

it's really fucking bizarre anyway it

can happen from the tv like that's not

no that's not the same the harm is much

worse when you're ingratiated inside of

a bar that's for people that are 21 and

up that you couldn't even keep adding

things that aren't because he's trying

to illustrate a general point bosh you

fucking idiot

he's trying to say

that they're going to adult contexts

inherently adult

and overly sexualized contexts

which would otherwise be made for adults

but suddenly children are being made the

target audience

why are you adding that they're going to

a 21 and up bar

ah damn

because he's trying to illustrate a

general point that you're avoiding

because you can't you're like this is

the drag events happen at 21 and up

places that is where they were not at a

21.

it usually is usually saying that if the

event is up close and personal it

doesn't make it sexual

okay you can he can he should have just

tried to argue that then that's not what

he was saying what he was trying to say

clearly was that

there was nothing

significant about the he was saying

there's nothing significant that there's

nothing up close and personal about it

that it's just the same thing as looking

at it from 30 feet away so that wasn't

what he was saying at all it is other

than drag queen story time and in those

situations they don't tip but still

they're very they're interacting up

close to the dragon it's not at all

necessarily true you know kid-friendly

drag events aren't like the center piece

of drag events generally but when they

happen they can be uh hosted in all

sorts of places so what's even the issue

with it being like a bar like if they

clear out the alcohol it's just a room

well they didn't play out the alcohol if

in dallas their parents were still

drinking so i don't think that's

okay to dallas well parents can drink at

like a restaurant with their kids there

i'm just saying like the kids can't get

the alcohol i don't know what the issue

is with like the place normally being 21

plus my dad appears when i would go with

him for like i understand maybe that

suggests that that type of venue

and the performances that would

otherwise be allowed there are typically

not made for children

maybe that's what the general point is

your dad had beers i'm sure had a lot of

beers i can tell but what i'm saying is

it's not something

if we what are we if we want to get into

ad homs here okay i'm holding i can tell

you you're talking about yourself all

right so guys um

i actually watched

i actually watched the rest of that

um

so i if you want to watch the rest of it

i i um

i encourage you to go watch it

but otherwise guys tomorrow i'm getting

my hair cut and i don't know if i'm

streaming i think i'll try to stream

tomorrow but i cannot guarantee it i

just know i'm getting my hair cut

tomorrow

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