SAM SEDER: CAREER ENDED [2022-01-26]

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and you thought that was something you thought that was something well just the beginning of twenty twenty two and what we haven't stoed to change them on the foking game you thought sam sar was going to be a formidable opponent but jackson

jackson the bo slayer you thought sam sedar was going to be a threat all these fucking people are already outgraded sam cedaravid pak man what of the funkouss the t y t thank you good thank you nob

twenty twenty two belongs to the brave and the bold alone and all these fuking establishment shs have gone away with being here for t god dam fuking long

thank you jen are how many of them doubted us they doubted jackson they said jackson oh jackson he's nothing they hyped up his s

sonar because of what he did with ethan coud stephen crowder with ethin kline and it took debate but jackson completely revealm co be the paper tiger that he is spm soonter absolutely blown fok out instantly rapidly but guess what we're not

content with this victory on still marching forward because we're not done we're not done with this shit now are we got a lot of unsettled business to take care of

we're going to be taking nothing but doubs in twenty twenty two we're going to be taking nothing but dos

you know how many pucking people i saw talking shit saying that the ighty same sooner was going to destroy jackson sooner joksons johnsonson s sooner he's a really good debater

stand a chest you do fuk you jackson you know know his will power his the termination his dedication this would not go out since friday because he was staying in laser focus preparing and studying for the debate you don't know who's in our coalition you don't know the type of people we got in our camp

you don't know the type of people we got in our camp you understand we're not like the d g g orbiters we got a bunch of mediocre fucking hans of hanokars and o relevance and all these fucking irrelevant mediocre ass people we're not where you know we don't have these bill and burns like we got the hoses we got the jacksons you understand we got real fyers and shit we got archs you we got real

aders real formidable fees my god sam

sam sam come come the three you one by the way come they said am join then and who i do you know the bucking guy's name i don't even know the other bucking guy's name i don't even know the first name

what you are about to witness is the most thorough inviseration and destruction i have ever seen in an online debate

i have never seen this before no one has ever done this and it was to sam buking cedar all of these people on which i went to debatell in burns in psin i feel like an idiot with the fuck is bill and burns sam cedar and jackson just went clapped his entire show

sam sar has falled his career will never ever recover from this thank youpanic preciate you wllpreciate you so much

you smell that my gorillas you smell it it's the smell of victory in the air because twenty twenty two belongs to us now we're wrapping this sh up

nothing nothing but ws going forward left wing wasen shambles they were trembling and powering in fear squirming in fear

they had absolutely no foking way to respond to the thrashing them cedar received thank you the august siate you

they can't even come up with adequate upes about that fucking debate just admitting sam lost

jimmy b is vindicated faction is vindicated the real left is vindicated the fake left is in shambles all those fucking people who are beeping with us talking shit about us too the biggest most fat ll of their fuck in life every single major left this content greaor to a fucking ol to it today every single one of them every

single one of them every single one not us sam all of them all of them we came out of nowhere you understand thank you paper when we came out of nowhere we ambushed them

thank you sit it right

you've never witnessed a debate like that ever it's never been it's never happened before you've never seen it anywhere on the fucking internet ever ever at no point at no point was sam sar able to be on the offensive we

absolutely thrashed absolutely thrashed

the defate s fear is done there's nobody nobody who stand a chance against jackson nobody nobody there's no debator they'vell the only person he has yet to debate his destiny that's

sit and it's not going to go good for destiny if he debates destiny nobody else is left thank you spacefol we wan debates we won the game of debates

and i might debate sam cedar next about third parties i might debate him next

you guys have to understand that this battle that's going on is bigger than just politics it's a spiritual war between good and evil and these are sicked fucking people and the leftist autating these progressies mutating

into a stick say tanic discusting form of fascism they're mutating into these wear mongering imperialist some sick nealistic disgusting shit the rottings of bernie's movement is turning into the revival of nazism

you know they underestimated jackson

early out of arrogance they went and said oh i jackson sure you know they were arrogant they underestimated him they thought he was going to be a jackass they understand how serious this guy is and he makes it look easy it's really not he makes it look easy

oh my god it's sam cedar oh my god it's sam cedar right oh my god it's sim cedar the mighty sam cedar

oh my god it's sam cedter what a tough guy sam cedters such a tough guy

oh my god it's sam cedar oh my god it said with ese oh my god it's sam cedter oh my god it's sim cedar

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oh my god it's sam cedar

it's sam cedar guys

this is a really tough guy

oh i'd sure be scared to debate him

i sure would be scared to debate him

thank you so much radical leftist agenda appreciate you i want you to keep in mind as we're going to watch this debate

that this is supposedly

the toughest the most forbiddable

and the strongest

debate

guy

on the internet

keep that in mind

that's what they're saying about sam cedar

and i want to i want you to see what our ally jackson

how easily our allied jackson

totally dispatched

all of his arguments

with alacrity

i want you to know how big this fucking event was and i hope you were awake for it

jackson was trending number fourteen nationwide jackson hinkle

number fourteen

on twitter

nationwide

sam cedar was trending number seventeen nationwide

this was a historical

game changing moment in the history of internet politics

aggressivism is dead

the new left the real left is rising i don't care what the fuck you want to call it you can call it the patriotic socialist

you can call to this you can call to that i don't a fuck what you call it

our faction is rising

and for all the shit they've been talking on twitter

this is what happed

without further ado

but's see

the carnage

the absolute carnage

jackson

inflicted

on sam cedars

career

they're on the majority report

it is the fun half generally we take phone calls and take i ams

we will take i ams hopefully we'll have a little term but we have a break in format

uh today

about two weeks ago i think it was

i got i am to take i ams every day as you know

i got i amed

that a guy named jackson hinkele

wanted to debate me and so

oh

to to fully give you what happened

jackson didn't challenge him to a debate

someone came in the chat and said that

jackson did not

so

that's something that

sam cedar leaves out

i we have a fairly open door policy here people can call in at any time which means i'm going to do it too

ah i suggested that he could call in or if he wanted to debate me could e maail at majority reporters at g mail dot com

or tweet at me

and

within an hour after the show was over

that segment was clipped i think by by jackson and

he wanted to in he said to debate and so we set it up and

and since that time bradley put up that thing that you just gave me

i printed it out

over that time he has been very excited to debate th look at how these snakes actually like prepared a

you know i have something called honor

so when i debate someone

i just debate them i don't do this oh we're going to dig up some stuff on you and do some research on you

so let's look at the embarrassing research they did on jackson

jackson

hyped up a debate with a much larger

content creator in terms of youtube subscribers in terms of views he's not really much larger anymore

but he's more well known

and jackson was hyping it up

what's so embarrassing about that

not everyone had a fucking contract working for corporate media m s n b c sam some people have to build up their youtube channels

from scratch

i fuck and hate how all these big content craters shit on

the up and coming ones like us

her shit that they were way more shameless and whatever the fuck in their beginning

and what's so shameless about this

look at what these people did in the fuck andt beginning of their career

ok

he paid dearly for this arrogance he paid dearly for it

thse those are i think from twitter over the past

a week yes so please bring them on i

so i want to welcome to the program

uh

jackson hainkle do we have him

yeah give me one second here let me start my camera

okay and so uh

jackson thank you for coming on today i should say also you were very gracious because where can i get him up here on the get him up on the screen i

do we have them

i've got a weird thing on my

st oh there we go ok so i

you you sent me an e mail with with some dates and i've got some like a little jammed up with my kids in the month of february so i invite you on to the program you were very gracious about about coming on and i appreciate that but

and you wanted to

do you mind sam cedar

you have to understand the state all these leftists you used to know from twenty sixteen to now

their whole career is done they've completely fucking dropped the ball

and sam it's so sad it's like

it's like a it's like a bad

it's like a it's like a

the bad future he just has the bad future right

that he chose through the dialogue loop

and

he just

fucking stoks jimmy dorkno

you know what it's like

it's like when if you go back to an abandoned chuckie cheese

and the anima tronics are still like ma and it's just this really sad thing which's like

hey i remember you you used to be the animatronic for my

for my birthday and

and now you're just malfunctioned just alone in the dark with cobwebs ma

malfunctioning in shit

and that's what fucking sam cedar and all these content creators are that's what the t y t isn't and jank

and all these fucked people that you remember from from twenty sixteen and twenty fifteen

and they've just been abandoned and left in the corner in the dark and iy've just

they've just become corrupt

corrupted and malign and they're just they're breaking they're breaking

right as as the new thing is is coming jimmy dore he's just totally

outpacing all these people i mean if you look at the analytes jimmy dore like shits on sam cedter

just absolutely shits on him right

and sam just is now stalking him for his career it's absolutely sad it's so but it's sad but it's also frightening

because

we're dealing with a little five nights at freddie's situation

where the animatronics

are starting to become monsters right and they're starting to turn into a

you know these these these new neo nazi

neo con

warmongering people who just

now that they just want blood and they're just

they're just celebrating missiles and drones and and a

death and destruction it's like

there they're starting to become a death callt

right

so it's getting really dark and scary actually it's getting really scary

what's happened to the corpse of this burninge movement

it's actually pretty frightening

they're all malfunctioning

and now

is it the case bradley can take that down

i was told that you are a communist

and so

i don't know what you got going there and so i was told that you are a communist

and that the

you wanted to come on and you emailed me that you wanted to debate you this what you wrote

would love to focus the discussion around your support for the squad

i personally believe the squad and progressives in congress are sellouts who have abandoned virtually every aspect

of progressive principles over the last couple years let me know if you'd be down to discuss this and i was a little surprised are you all right can you see the

yeah

the thing just move so i got to fix it

okay there you go

all right so

so let me just so that my audience can can know who you are you've got a show called the dive

right

yeah

are you and you are a communist yes

see this is what this is what these liberals do to fucking deflect they want to make it about communism and marxism and all this fucking shit

they don't want to get to the meat and potatoes

right when i sam would be comfortable talking about

he would love to pontificate

and ponder upon the viability of communism and mars he would love to get into that fucking bullshit

but jackson's going to come and bring the meat and potatoes and smack thehim down with the meat and potatoes

and he's going to want to talk about

you know let's talk about the squad sam cedar you are you wt to talk about all this other shit we're going to actually get down to some real business you understand i'm not here to dilly dally with you and

exchange niceties about

communism set the fuck up

there's a time and place for that shit and ain't here

i'm a marxist leninist anti imperialist and american patriot

okay

all right andh oy don't i watch it on jackson's channel

because this one shows

sams it's basically for the thought the quick bait

i need the sam cedar

for twits

because sam suter is more well known on twitch

um uh

because i was i am going to go over to jackson's channel as soon as he's mutes jackson i'm going to jackson channel we're going to pick it up from there

i have to say i was a little bit surprised by

what you wanted to talk about

uhhuh

as a marxist leninist i guess

but because it seems the little bit

a little bit focused on electoral politics from my experience with with folks who

refer to themselves as

it's a total fuking stupid fucking distraction

at these lazy liberal scumbags

want to indulge in

hm let's talk about the viability of electoralism electoralism versus direct action no let's talk about how your electoralism specifically specifically

is corrupt

hypocritical and fraudulent

you would love to make this oh electoralism in general

or direct action no there's no electoralism in general let's get into the meat and fucking potatoes

of how

you're telling people to vote

because nobody talked about

abandoning electoralism that's just not fucking relevant

we're talking about

how you're doing it

you i know you'd love to shift it

oh

well since i've already done everything correctly electorally

now we're going to debate if electoralism is even the strategy

no you didn't do everything correctly electorally

because you're backing the fraud squad and you're not pursuing any meaningful fucking political alternatives

stop making this into a false dichotomy of

direct action

which is meaningless

or electoralism

any fucking real political movement

is going to be engaging in electoralism it's not relevant

you want to throw the baby out with the bath water

so fucking stupid

oh it's electoralism is the issue

no the issue

is the way your fockin volted

that's we're going to fuck and grill you want

so fucking

disgusting

you know

like you'd love to make this about ideologies and electoralism and shit

you don't actually want to get into the meat and but that's how you know these left these are all specees of shit

un twitter

yeah i i'm a mao is i'm a marxist then is i'm in my whatever they say the shit on twitter ok what do you think about jimmy dore ok then you're the same thing as fucking jank

uger

you're the same shit you just you just have a different flavor

to your presentation but you're literally the same fucking thing

in practice so shut you're the same as a o

you're the same as the fucking squad

when you just start talking about direct action

what you're doing

is

you're enshrining your current electoral strategy

into something permanent

and something that can't be critiqued

by rejecting electoralism in general

what you're actually doing

is enshrining your current electoral strategy as the only one

forever

and you're just running around in the street naked doing chaz and you're doing direct action

a o c we'll watch the skies and i'll watch the neighborhood the chas neighborhood

thank you spartan doogin

a o c in the squad will watch the skies

the dsa will watch the skies

and i watch the neighbourhood

the chas neighborhood

that's a the fuking wlt thank you so muchj thank you so much jas

thank you so much jacey appreciate

be said

mins butt

but but if that's what you wanted to do that's fine with me so let's let's just start with the idea of

the premise that

the squad in progressives in congress

presumably the democrats right

m

our sell outs what do you mean by that

what i mean by that

and i think they're not progressive because that's the other big thing here

is i think that there's

three or four major issues i have with them number one being that

they could have blocked the passage of a large number of must pass bills and they chose not to and if they had chosen to block those

i think they could've you know leverage their power for concessions policy concessions

the second thing is i think that they have been directly voting for

anti progressive bills and measures

in some cases they've even introduced these themselves

they've acted at the behest of the democratic establishment on multiple occasions

giving it their own you know

can a reminder i don't meean to interrupted reminder a o c has no political relevance she is literally a prop

to prepare the public for meghan markel that's what a o c is

she's never going to have a political future she's literally just a prop

then the deep state is using to test the waters for meghan markel

who is going to start running for office and shits

a o c is literally just the celebrity precursor to meghan markel nothing more

they're not going to have a o c

who is literally

you know

she literally has no brain

no brains

she has no political future they don't take her seriously no one takes her seriously

they're just using her

to prepare the public for mega marcrow

campaign funds to corporate democrats

and the fourth thing or the third or fourth thing is

basically staying silent

and giving joe biden support in the face of

is pro war

anti worker agenda

ok

so let me ask you this because i'm trying to get at i mean will get to those the specific things but but when you say sell out

i mean this is the the part that i'm not that i'm unclear on

what do you think they've gotten

from this like when you sell out something right i mean you're what are they getting

and this is such a stupid question by sam

what did karl kotski get what did the social democrats get did they get a lump sum of a million dollars no

but by compromising the struggle you take the easy way out

and you start to settle in and you start to be join the big club you join the fucking big club

of the politicians

he become one of them

you become an insider

that's what that fuccing means

it doesn't mean they're going to give you a million dollars or some shit

i think they're getting preferential treatment from the democratic establishment i think the democratic establishment is playing softball politics with them rather than

going as hard as they could

against the squad i think the media has treated them relatively favorably ever since they have started to act in line and kind of total line of the democratic establishment

a

i mean dave

been able to receive donations and connections with

george soros and george soros's family

for not only their campaigns but

associated ventures like the sunrise movement so

i think those are just a few of the ways ok gotten preferential treatment from the democratic establishment in what in what way

because as far as i can tell like for instance

a o c katie porterson not exactly on the the

on the

how you see she's such a victim right sam she's such a victim

she is such a victim

she's did she's such a victim of the democratic establishment it's not like they prop her up and fucking

in the squad but but i imagine you include her in this group i

they got

they got actually the opposite of preferential treatments when it came to committee positions

committes know that

few days before this me and jackson were like getting cigar we do that often

at this place

and we were practicing and he was showing me his notes and i was like ok what if sam sedter says this

and i would do the sam suter voice i'd be like

jackson

you do have to admit

that they are the most progressive

in the party

and like he'd be and then he'd be like

no no i already have a response for that

like he he'd list what he would say and i'm like holy shit he actually did prepare

so when we went through that i was i was like ok yeah this is in the bag

there's no way he's going to lose this

it's just a matter of how

big the ws going to be

not if there's going to be a w

but

holy fuck this was a big doumb

these are the most important thing in terms of exercising power they literally sansured il han omar they attempted to do it i think i think in some regards they have been attacked and there is going to be that fre the some ways in some ways sam in some ways because you're trying to act like there's no ways that they've been treated preferentially

just tell i mean they were invited they were invited to

to you know

create dialogue with the biden administration on a whole host of policies in different

policy arenas to influence the biden agenda

they wre although i don't think they've really done that

with the exception of maybe climate change

they've also i mean illan omar for example was she was made whip of the congressional progressive caucus

we also have ilan omar introducing bills that have already passed the house thanks in part to

you know nancy pelosi support

so there's a lot of ways in which

theyic receive preferential treatment but what i want to get at is what they let me just

let me just you know let's just have a dialogue here

you say they get preferential treatment i'm trying to figure out what it is that they're selled out for

like what did they get paid in and you said preferential treatment from the ok you know what this is fucking stupid when you sell out that doesn't mean you're going to get paid for something

it means you're going to compromise and join the big club

that's what it fucking means it means instead of

for example what would it mean for has to sell out for has to sell out

that doesn't mean i'm going to get money it means i'm going to start fucking virtue signaling to the crowds

so that they will accept me instead of fighting an uphill battle constantly

that's what fuckin sellin out would be in my case

that if i compromise my principles to fit in with this crowd that's always attacking me

that's what it would means of fucking sell out

sam cedar is literally the most

weasily dishonest fucking snake

and he knows what he's saying is fucking bullshit

the establishment

i listed things where they got the opposite but you're telling me

that ill own ourmll he's acting like he doesn't know what it means to sell out when he sold out to n b m s n b c

and they still dumped his ass anyway

and he didn't even get rid of them for political reasons they got rid of them

because he was useless

what's going on was orko

ah

my boy jackson just sent sam cedar to an early retirement

that's what happens when passion meets politically

i'm going to tex he can't talk on the phone i'll tex

it

i

amar is named the whip

of the congressional

a progressive caucus

and they had the opportunity

to negotiate with the biden administration that's the preferential treatment they got

over other members of congress

you must

well i mean the de facto position for progressives

would be for the democratic establishment to roast them at the stake every single opportunity they get

because they are there to directly supposedly challenge the democratic establishment

replace them with people who align with

you know

whatever the squad is the justice democrats were supposed to be

so yes i mean that is the goal here

and it would make sense that the democratic establishment should be trying to go

as hard as they can against them at every single chance they get

and they haven't done that they've given them preferential treatment to what you would expect

from a group of individuals wo were supposed to be unseating them

so you're saying that the by deministration actually conceded on all of those things as opposed to i mean i don't know what you mean by roch i don't think they conceded i and i don't want to focus too long on this because this isn't the crux of the argument the crux of the argument what i emailed you was about your support for the squad when i think that they are not progressive yes the bd is aministration trying to

listen listen

uh

medi hassan over who

are you talking about

the chances of hassan covering this are zero those are zero

there's a zero percent chance

we're just going back and forth here all right you've made your your assessment that they're getting preferential treatment because they're not being roasted by the establishment

and then you're saying that they're getting money from george soros

yes

in the form of giving it to the sunrise movement

no alan omar received direct contributions

how much

from from george soros

she received this is the snaky dishonest question

because sam cedar knows very well there's a limit to the amount politicians can receive directly

from cut campaign contributions

so this is complete fuck and bullshit

yeah again it's such a snaky fucking

way of fucking going about it

let me pull it up here she received

a

between george soros andreas soros and alex soros you received twenty seven hundred dollars

fifty six hundred dollars in twenty twenty

and then in twenty eighteen twenty seven hundred dollars respectively

ok

oh hoh wow okay sam cedar even if it was five dollars

why is george soros sending money to her

if it's not for the fact

that that's like it's just it's proves george soros backs illan omar

and if he's sending her that money he's probably backing her in other kinds of fuckin ways too he's probably using his open society foundation

to do p r for her and do positive media coverage for her

and all that other kind of there's a million different fucked ways you can help someone

beyond just g directly giving them fuck and money

yet twenty nine hundred st the limits for individual donations from the f c

so you' sink it whysen't sending any money

you know it's not

it's not that he's sending the money

alone why is he specifically sending the money is that just a coincidence sam cedter

r i didn't realize she had received twenty seven hundred dollars

in multiple years and so

so yours you're contending that they sold out for over twenty seven hundred dollars from george soros

no if you listen to anything i just said i i named numerous examples in which

the squad has been given preferential treatment

w not to select that one in particular is very disingenuous w you said sorros i was just asking in terms of the sorros part you said soros was number four i think

i mean there's there's more i could go on to list but again i want to talk about here what i want to talk about here and what you seem to not want to talk about and

i can assume what mas can you time that guy out i can

i can't time him out

there we go

why

is your continued support for the squad

who is going along with the democratic establishment on all these votes they could be blocking to get concessions in return and some cases they're actually directly supporting anti progressive measures and bills

ok and i there is no doubt that they have taken votes that i agree that i would

disagree with in some instances some in so you are alive

i mean

uh a few

how would i use a few

i'm just curious

i don't have a list of how many votes i don't appreciate that they've taken i mean don't you think there's a i just want to nail you down on this because don't you think there's a difference between like

say a few is three two to three don't you think there's a difference between two to three bad votes and say like couteen or twenty bad votes

i how many votes did they take in total and i'll tell you that i would imagine there's probably twenty five to thirty percent

of their votes that i would have a problem with off the top of my head

i would imagine for consequential policy items there was probably roughly

there's probably roughly like

sixty to one hundred consequential policy items that were voted on

in this session of congress twenty twenty one so far

there's obviously a lot of procedural and house rules votes that get voted on every single

a session of congress so far there's been over four hundred votes in this session of congress but a lot of those again

are just on amendments to bills that are eventually voted on or just procedural votes

ok're saying that maybe twenty to thirty out of sixty are bad votes thirty percent i don't know i mean you just said twenty to thirty what yet what am i looking at it's sam cedars just

he just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking he din't even research he's not even well informed about any of this fucking shit

i don't know i mean maybe twenty to thirty percent of i mean well maybe i don't know

isn't this guy supposed to know things

out of

potentially sixty to one hundred were bad so is that

something that you wouldn't necessarily support i mean

i just don't really understand why don't you criticize the on all of these things i've heard

the interverted toelal only to three dollars

heard you criticize them

like once and every so often but you don't criticize them i mean all of these bad boats and i don't understand how you

you plan to hold them accountable if you're not criticizing them

well i mean i do i mean i don't know if you wak yesy well i sure soros was a collaborator ok

there's no reason to talk about his ethnic background and i'm

i don't even know like it's george soros

technically i don't even know what his ethic background is

there's not even relevant though there's no relevance to that

he was a collaborator his ethnic background is not relevant

or it's not even an ethnic background it's a religious background and i'm pretty sure

i don't even know his exact religious background i'm pretty sure he like was had some

a

lineage

half i don't know something like that

it's not relevant

i mean hungar there are many hungaryan jews in general and he was hun gar and so it's like it's not really relevant at all

just

it's not

if you criticize them did you criticize them when it c funneled one hundred and sixty thousand dollars to be trib know i don't get this thing of just talking about people's religion i mean

if someone's jewish it's not really relevant like

if you're jewish from russia

and you're jewish from america

like what do you have in common it's stupid to just

think you just because someone's a certain religion

that it's the same thing

i just it's just not

you know

russian jews are very different from american ones and then

just like russian muslims are different from american muslims right

it's like there's just no reason to even bring that up

none

you know

see corporate democrats after promising not to actually first of all

she um

i actually didn't criticize that

why not

you caa'll tell you why because

i think part of the strategy in which they deployed

and she said we should say that she did these in incremental ones right there was like two thousand a pop if i if i'm not mistaken right

a they were five thousand

okay

five thousand and

i think there's value in doing that because

i think that what politicians should do

broadly speaking is go in and try and get legislation that is positive passed

and so if

if

if what positive legislation have they goten passed by donating to those d triple c candidates

well

the the buildback better bill passed in the house

the game stutter the fire

this is this is

jackson's like chris hansen here you know it's like

he just

grilling him and he's just so guilty

did it pass in the senate

no but she didn't give to senators

so what legislation has the squad voted for

and it's also passed in the senate that you think is good and directly result of them donating five thousand dollarss se don' you also thinks wait sam don't you also think that given that a given given that you see specifically said that she was not going to donate to them that that's a problem that she then went down donated to them and this is before

with that

i think people could take issue with that

and this is before there's even a democratic primary so there was going to be progressive challengers like eva putsova

and arizona's first district

i listen i think people could take issue with that

the why did you not

we did talk about it you just told me you didn't talk about it a minute ago

now

what

oh my god is

that

well it is

i kind of feel bad for sam cedter here because i'm wondering like

is sam cedar just that innocent did he just think like

they was going to have a friendly conversation and not a hardcore debate

and sam was like well i'm a nice guy and i didn't know you're going to

command me this aar jackson

but

then if you keep continue throughout you're going to realize this guy's a fucking snake

and that there's absolutely no he's not innocent at all

you know

i yes i did

i didn't spend as much time emphasizing it apparently as you want me to but i just you tell me why i have that thing that instinct like

whenever i see my enemy lose i just start to feel bad for them instead of like basking in the glory of it

and beating the dead horse i just start to kind of feel bad and the

part of me almost wants to lend them a hand in just

help them back up

you know

y i just you're fine i'll be back up just go do your own thing you know

that's a really big problem i have believe it or not it's a really fucking big problem i have

because my issue is that by default

i believe everyone's equal

and i don't want to be above others i don't want others to be above me whatever

i just want everyone to be equal

so when i'm fighting an enemy

i'm just pretty much bringing them to my level and once they're at my level i'm not you know

once they're at my level i'm fine but if they're below my level and they're on the ground

i can't kick dirt in their face i have to help them up

and just be ok so now you're on my level and just go do your own thing now you know

but that's fucked up because there's no justice it's like

they did an unjust thing being arrogant being above

you know and it's like

it's arrogant

so let n know it's it is a problem

because when i help them up they go and do the same thing you know

so it's a fucking big problem i have and also

if you reverse the rolls and i'm the oneo who loses they will keep kicking me and kicking dirt in my face

and they'll keep beating me keeping me down and shit

and it's it pisses me off like why do i have the instinct to help up my enemy

when they're defeated

but they have the instinct to kick dirt in my face

you what i'm saying

i hate that ship man i got to i got to become more ruthless

you know it's not a good thing

you just told me a minute ago you didn't talk about it

what do you think about the fact that they voted to subsidize

cobra premiums for six months

i in fact

talked about it with all c

and i said that was garbage and she said it was garbage

so you talked about it before she did it or after she did it

after she did it she came on the show

and i literally said that was a garbage vote and she said yes

it's garbage

so did you press her as to why i'm just curious

you should go back and watch it

what about when she voted to sanction

ah mianmar cambodia and supported sanctions

on cuba

venezuela

a handful of other countries she voted to

to sanction basically the entire global south

yeah i'm against i'm against sanctioning in particular in the particular the case of venezuela

ok

on

what about when she refused to speak out against binds airstrikes in syria afghanistan somalia or iraq many of which killed civilians

i don't i don't remember i don't remember if i said anything about a s not didn't i was watching you know this is such a bad look for him because he knows

that the only reason he won't speak out against him and this is

jackson's entire

point

an angle that he's coming from

is that he has these people on his show he's had the squad on his show

so if he bad mouse them

they're not going to come on his show anymore

so he's just like it's almost like again this is chris hansen and he's just guilty

right he's not guilty of that

but he's guilty of you know like

he's just guilty he's just talking guilty he just won't admit that it's because he doesn't want to

scare them all from coming on his show

right so hes just nervous and like

that's why if you look on twitter

he actually was sweating his pits were sweating his armpits were sweating

believe it or not

on your show at the time i actually watch a lot of your show but usually to criticize you

what about when she voted to increase the capitol police and security budget to one poinllion nine billion dollars increase issue with her specifically but i said that vote was wrong

so really there's ok sam sam there's one more thing i want to say here because this kind of ties the whole argument together

there's a difference between saying that

this vote is wrong

and saying that

not only is this vote wrong but they could't leverage the power that they had on these votes because

in the case of the capitol police and security bill

they could have actually blocked the passage of that bill to get concessions in return so why are you not saying that because

you've actually gone out on the record cheviously previously would have said

jackson jackson

let's have a debate here ok

you're listing off every single time i haven't criticized a o c over the past the question is why

a dish

well i've made it quite clear i don't care

what

l on give me a moment

you know i'm starting to get pissed off every fuck in time

i get interrupted because of fuck and woberats

every fucking thime

every fucking dive to go get this shit gy

thank you so much that boston gal'll be right back guys fuck my life right man

bas

y

i'm so fucking sick

of i have to kill my falccing stream every fuck in time who breeds fuccing comes here because the fucking elevator takes sol

foking long to get down

i fuk and call the elevator it takes five minutes to get up here i go down

i go to this asshole sitting in his fucking car have to wave him down

he brings the shit

then i go back and go up

pull the elevator again

and then it goes down

and someone has a lot of fucking bullshit they bring thed to slowly bringing their fucking shit in

and then

they they fucking go it's like it takes so fucking long and it just interrupts my fucking stream at the worst time

i

every time theyll driver calls meub shol fuck and refind me

i this is how the fucking app work i'my food on this app

and it shus us come to this door right

don't fucking call me don't call me in the middle of my fucking stream and interrupt my fucking shit

i'm literally in the middle of talking and they fuck and call me on my phone

i'm not giving a tip

falk that falck andan assle

sitting in their fucking car

all they have to do to get in here is ask someone to open the door

that's all they have to fuck and do to get in here

i mean hey do you want your food i don't know do i want it i mean are you giving it to me for free

is this a gift

weh it's your choice man it's fre it's not free food because i paid for it

i paid a lot of money for it

want your food man i don't know do i want it

i just paid twenty five dollars for it

but they act like they act like they're giving it you as a gift

they act like they're doing you a favor giving you this food

they always act like they're doing they're doing you a fuck and favor

like you're the asshole

were ordering food

they treat you like you're the asphole

literally if you're an oober eats driver

you have one

dob

just

pick the fucking food up and leave it at the fucking door that's all you have to fuck and do

don't falk and call my phone

i don't want to talk to you

don't call my fuck on phone

in the middle of a stream

because i was literally going to

we literally have to roll this back

and replay it

because he literally called me at the moment i was about to buck and say so

but they could' have leverage the power that they had on these bvoats because

in the case of the capitol police and security bill

they could have actually blocked the passage of that bill to get concessions in return so why are you not saying that because

you've actually gone out on the record you sound privileged

they're not required to ask strangers to open the door for you

what

what the fuck are you talking about

i sound privileged because i paid for food

you fucking idiot

if i'm privileged

then it's free if it's free you're right

but i paid money for it

you're fuckin privileged you fuckin wipe your ass with money which is why you don't fuckin care you don't even have to worry about your fuckin money

so you all this is what you fuck and do

some of us actually have to worry about the money we spend

okay you know what

f if i'm privileged and here's the thing then the driver shouldn't get paid

then the driver shouldn't get paid because by delivering food to me there

i'm doing them a favur right

so if they ask to get paid they're being privileged

that's how it is

if drivers asked to be paid they're being privileged right

the fok h

stupid as logic

you know there's going to be a time

when i get an ow breach driver who's going to call me

and then like

you like yo yo no no no no listen listen no no no listen listen no n no

ah you got to drive here and pick up your food from the restaurant man

you got to drive here and pick it up what

y yeah man uh

you know i'm'm i'm low on gas money

so

you know i'm going to i ordered the food for you but i can't go get it for you you have to go get it yourself

the norre n man listen to the neor listen listen

no n no man such

like noroman

don't you have any shame

when you calling me you're literally like

starting a relationship with me you're like listen listen ok

listen we got to be friends i'm not your friend i paid money for food and that's it i'm not your friend ok

he's acting like he's acting like the plug that wants the chill with you

he's acting like the plug that's like you know what are you doing man can we hang out

no we can fok and hang out

no we can't fuck and hang out

you think this is anything more than a business transaction and that's all the fuccin is

we're not going to fuck and chill

i'm not kicking it with you

i don't know you like that but maybe you should find another dealer then

maybe i will

and this should

was like

it was like up to here so i'm pretty sure he drank out of my fucking drink i'm pretty sure he

store my protein

pretty sure you stole my fuck in protein

pretty sure he drank my shit too

previously previously would have said

jackson jackson

let's have a debate here ok

you're listing off every single time i haven't criticized a o c over the past the question is why

a dish

well i've made it quite clear i don't care

okay

therey this is a common theme you're going to see throughout this whole fucking debate

i don't care

i don't care

what do you mean you don't

focking care

you literally get paid for this is your fucking job

your job is to care about the shit

you're not some fucking random guy on the street you're not you're not fucking working at the taco bell drive through

this is how you make your money

if you don't if you don't want to kr then go work a taco bell

you're making a lot of money from this fucking shit

this is how you make your money you're not some random fucking guy

you got some random dude smoking a cigarette out of the outside the club

this is your job this is what you do as a job

don't

bucking come and say

you don't care yet ben norton

he's been cringe his fulk i know

i heard

it's a shame

you don't hear about what

you know let me ask you this i don't care about what no no no no no what don't you care about what don't you care about

increase in the capital policeed

i don't think is that relevant

what about all the other shit though

why don't you think it's relevant there was a there was a leak yesterday from capitol police that shows that capitol police has intelligence units across the country that are creating dossies on congress people in their staffs you don't care so b ben norton left

the uh

razone because he's

ben norton is pushing the vax mandates and he's really mad about how max blumenthal

is against backs mandate so ben morrean is just lost his mind in

in as is a civil war going on on the left

between shit lib establishment people

and based people and the sat the crazy you can't even tell who it's going to be

like that one of these days

you're literally probably going to have

if chairman gonzale was still alive

chairman gonzalez probably fucking go on twitter and be like

listen guys

i'm going to break the news

we need some backs man i'm sick of these backs deniers i'm sick of these coded deniers

they're joined this is sliding into a red brown alliance

like you don't even know it's so random

who's going to just randomly come out as a fucking libshit

and

in this civil war you don't even fucking know who it's going to be

you don't even know it's the most random people

like abby martin and

whoever else like

what do you have to why do you why do you care because the go they're all the fucking liberals they're all liberals

all these people are just liberals

they just

they're just liberals you know

it no i'm just saying aby martin is like someone i could imagine doing that

i can just imagine her doing that

it's the most random people

they're such leftists they're such like liberals

it like liberal to the core

yeah yeah it's for some reason when they're super obsessed with latin america like obsessed obsessed

for some reason they just the're liberals

and i think it's because

there's an alliance between universities and social movements in some latin american countries

which gives these p m ces a lot of power

i'm pretty sure that's the reason

surt condemned russia for invading ukraine on live t v what

abuir's brother was seething because of patriotic so has a shit like that

everyone who got but hurt over patriotic socialism shit like that you know you just

patriotic socialism

a word they made up

literally fucking

go on google

the squand google ready

it's literally on wikipedia socialist patriotism did me and jackson invent this

did me and jackson invent this shit because i'm pretty sure

it's just a thing i'm pretty sure it's just always been a thing

ok

pat sock

padside

what do you mean there's a wikipedia page for it

it's a basic thing of marxism leninism it's a very basic shit

let's continue this

whatw about that

i think that's a problem that came out yesterday

yes the in the capitol police after they were overrun

i you know what i just don't think it's that big of a deal what i think is a much bigger deal in my mind

was the opportunity

to

raise

millions of children out of poverty

which

are you talking about the tax credit don't tell me some of the tax credit

by the way guys

infrared is on billy billy chinese social media

and we're kind of going viral

and the crazy thing is

on chinese social media

without any of the cia astroturfing

we're very popular like they uploaded one of our wash debates

and wow

that fosse debate do you see the commons

nobody's even

ll the comments are like

this infrared guy's very well read he's very this is my first bost debate where i just yelled at him and shit

like yeah this bosh guy he's very well read i mean sorry this haz guy he's very well read

and he understands dialectics and they're just interested in it

they liked it

and they're like i can't they were like i can't believe voss doesn't understand dialectics what an idiot

is they just take it for granted in china you know

they're not going to be able to do but it because like you say they let it lapse

the're getting like ten thousand views each it's been like a day there those videos are going viral

you on

on billy billy and there's more to come to i mean

it's not for you guys it's only for chinese speakers

now they didn't let it lapse

the child tax credit they let that lapse and they could have

look at this idiot infrared show yeah get rid of that folk

potentially di not wot that from lapsing had the leverage dolo there's not really any reason to link this shit

so just stop linking it because

we actually want this

we're trying to get the chinese audience if you want to see our videos goe aur fucking you tube

if you live in china thenn yeah whatever but

we're trying to get the chinese audience and that's what we're not getting it from here you know

on billy billy we want to just see what chinese people think of us

organic

ridge their vote had they leverage their votes what are you talking about

i'm talking about a number of votes do you understand the idea do you understand the idea of force the vote sa you understand the idea of force the vote

no i don't but let me let's just stay you mean you don't understand the idea of force i'm jackson

do you think a s is better than joe match and you don't understand the idea of force the vote

do you think a o c is better than joe matchton let's stay with your original thing that you wanted to debate then we can get is that what i wanted to debate that i email you about that

would love to focus the discussion around your support for that squad i personally believe the squad and progressives in congress are sellouts who have abandoned virtually every aspect

of progressive principles

over the last couple of years

so where in that did i say that a you see is worse than joe mansion i'm just curious asking you i'm trying to explore

if they have sold out every aspect of progressive principles and if you think joe mansion and a o c are essentially the same

again i did not say that

why

whyre

mhm

wire

why why are jackson's opponents always so stupid with the shit they say hold on

abi marin criticizes russia on r t what

condemn's crimean invasion

that was jeffrey summers associate professor of political economy at the university of wisconsin before i wrap up the show i wanted to say something from my heart about the ongoing political crisis in ukraine and russia's military occupation of crimea just because i work here for r t doesn't mean i don't have editorial independence and i can't stress enough how strongly i am against any state intervention in a sovereign nation's affairs what russia did is wrong i

admittedly don't know as much as i should about ukraine's history the cultural dynamics of the region but what i do know fk unbelievable

in that military intervention i don't trust her i've never trusted he

be honest

and is never the answer and i will not sit here and apologise or defend military aggression furthermore the coverage i have seen of ukraine has been truly disappointing from all sides of the media spectrum and rife with disinformation above all my heart goes out to the ukrainian people who are now wedged as pawns in the middle of a global powerch so

dad i don't trust i don't trust her

i definitely don't

that that's why i'm asking you

you're creating a fake argument of course no i don't think asking you a question well no you said that i said that you know you know especially meet you jackson me and you we have to be careful with these fucking people some of these people are going to try to be friendly with you and me

we got to really steer clear of them because remember these are the people these are the snakes

who were attacking us throughout this whole fucking time

and as we rise and fuck and take over

and um

mow down these sam cedars or whatever and take over and get bigger and bigger

we got to leave these people behind you know

po wile be on the just all these fucking people

you can't trust these these leftists

you know you can't trust these leftists

initially came debate that's not true

but no of course i don't think of course of course

of course i don't think that a o c is the same as joe mansion like

you think i'm insane or something

of course i don't think they're the same

some questions

so i have questions about you too

oc is a better legislatuor

is more progressive than joe man i just see the most random people attack us you know people you'd never expect

they just openly attack us

and it's like why

and

you know you have to really realize that

these people can be drawt

i think she's a terrible legislator because she's allowed roughly eighteen must pass

or near must pass votes go through without blocking them in itstances in which she could have actually blocked the agenda from going through

ok

do you think a o c

is more progressive than joe mansion

that's not what i came here to debate but of course yes i do why that's the most stupid question i've ever heard

is al c more progressive than ted cruz

what is your point what the fuck is the point of that question

that's the smo most dumb shit i've ever heard

but what does that have to do with anything

i support

that is all what i came here to debate but of course i do yeah

ok so the reason why i support the squad is because i think she's better

than people like joe mansion

she the squad i literally talked to jackson about this

like in person i was like what he's going to say he's going to be like

whoever their faults they're the most progressive people in congress right now

and jack's like don't worry i'll have a response

i already anticipated that

so and he did

think that my problem with that o nomar and he's going to

i he's going to say he's in the same city told me

reshided to live and all right sun up sam let him talk

are better than josh gothheimer

so' you're basically saying well a o c is better than the lowest bar we have in the democratic party so that's why i support her

by that logic do you support nancy pelosi because nancy pelosi is better than joe mansion

you know what i don't support nancy pelosi because i

there you go

mhmm

really but she's better than joe mansion so why don't you support her

because she's not the best that we have

chill joy

have in the congress

i ok so let let's take a look at the best we have in the congress the best we have in the congress wo areording to your logic

according to your logic the best we have in the congrest right now

is the squad i literally did it in the sam cedar voice to i literally was right across from jackson

and i was like

w jackson

you mean

criticize the squad but you have to admit

is the most progressive

people

in congress right now

he literally did it in his words

that's how fucking predictable these people are you know like we know what they think and what they say

in the most

progressive i'm putting that in quote look how he's sweating why is he sweating

member is the congressional progressive caucus

yes

exactly given the facts

that this group of individuals the squad

campaigned on fighting for a set agenda and they have not fought for that agenda

and they have abandoned every single opportunity

that they could have blocked

must pass bills through or must pass votes like the speakership vote during

the force the vote saga

they have chosen

to pass the democratic agenda instead of actually forcing through their agenda and getting

small or large concessions in return

ok so why didn't you support force the vote

well i'll talk to you about force a vote but let's just stay on the topic that you wanted and then'll then i'll talk about force of vote

the reason why i support the most progressive members of the democratic party

is because they're the most progressive members of the democratic party now if you want to have a ca

what

conversation that you think people should be voting for a third party

instead of democrats

i'll have that conversation too

but that's that's not even relevant because the question is

have the squad betrayed

the thing that got them into a focking office or not

but why wouldn't

unless you do want to have that conversation why wouldn't i support the most progressive members of the democratic party

even if they are sub par to where i want them to be

i think that you need to hold them accountable which is what i was a supporter of a o c i donated to her

i bought her little merchandise stuff

and even during force the vote even during even during force the vote even during force the vote i would always say

i hope she proves me wrong i hope she fights for this agenda that i care about

and she never did in the squad never did and they have chosen ote for the party line

every single time and not fight for their agenda

you feel scorned by them

but you still think they're the most progressive members of congress correct

that's not a high bar i hold them to t's not a sam listen don't inenter i was about to answer your mution and you interrupted me have is about to answer your question and you interrupted me

okay hold

i hold them to the bar that they ran on

while you know campaigning for congress

that bar

he's saying stuff like

i'm going to fight for medicare for all

we can't wait a hundred more years we need to fight for right now

saying stuff like i don't care if i'm a one term he brought those receipts and that's not good for sam

not good

congresswersan a o c said this

i don't care if i'm a one term congressperson

i'm going to fight for my agenda or essentially go down try

that's what i hold them to

ok why don't why don't you

im

i mean

i have issues with

votes that they have taken at times

they are the most progressive members of the democratic party and until there' is more more progressive

people who are more progressive than them

they're the best we have i don't get attached to politicians like you seem to have been felt like you're scorned by them in some way and i just don't care i don't think politicians have principles

i think they go in and they get the best that they can do sometimes i think that they make mistakes

a but you just the thing you just said is the best they can do and that's what the fucking debate is about

have they been doing the best that they can do that's what the debate is literally about

as the

not smart

sometimes i think some of them are just completely sold out

i think there's a lot of sell outs

i can't believe there's people who see over jackson and hate him

what's he's saying that's so like

wrong

and that

what is he saying that sol like wrong and dangerous and bad

why does it just the

what justifies all the fucking like hay

you know

i understand how people hate me because i talk a bout of shit he doesn't

he's just keeping a professional

in congress in fact ilhan omar was on the program last week and she specifically said

there's a lot of people came in progressive

who are corporatists now and i don't i don't she's one of them

know who exactly she meant i have she's one of them she wants to

sanction malaysia she wants to sanction mianmar

she wants to sanction brunei

she wants the sanction fuck in ethiopia

my dears

i suspect

nancy pelosi was one of them

and

and so i don't get attached in the way you do so your notion of my support for them

i didn't donate

dre say

but now he's distancing himself

i didn't get as attached to thatm look always this is see himself inrom the no

mes you did hey i i i i got nothing to do with the squad right

don't blame me for the squad

now listen don't blame me for the squad

n surprise i'll listen they're just doing the best they can

i take them

they are politicians

i look for the most progressive politicians who are in a position to either win

or to implement policy

and yes they have largely failed

joe biden has failed

the senate has failed the senate leadership has failed

i think pelosi failed i think it w and this is sam cedar

his answer

well

that's whye

that's liight

there's nothing else you could do

that's lovely

it was a mistake for them to vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill

the progressive caucus has failed

in fact i think that you know one of the things that i am hoping

and you know to the extent that i can pressure i mean

you know there's only so much pressure i can bring to bear on politicians

but one of the things i am hoping that they do

is that they actually implement

some voting

requirements some litmits test to be a progressive caucus member i think that's a great idea

but my say on first of all i mean i settle on there idea

you know brought up that idea on this program

i have brought up that you brought that up idea up on this program i brought it up on my program as well i know you've said on this program

you you said it during your first force the vote video actually you said that maybe

it's time that we tell members of the c p c that they should have to support

a vote on medicare for all in the house floor if they want to be a part of it i think that's a great idea

i just wish you'd continue holding them accountable like you did then

anyways but the

you said that i' to hold them accountable then

mm

oh

them i just let you talk for so long how did i hold them accountable then

you want to you want to go into this jackson

what do you think is going on here

i believe them accountable back then

b going out on your program

and saying stuff like

honestly hes ou flight uh is influent a sam

we could push house progressive members to leverage their votes it is worth it right now tweeting at some of the top progressive

people who were supported by the justice democrats in the squad

the more of a stinct we make the easier it is for progressives to leverage it because they can simply say look i have my own pressures

so i think it's a good idea to do this to force this vote

oh he's malfunctioning now

he's literally about to take hey hey

we

this was not in the

the cia

handbook

what is going on i

listen this ok colde red colde red

cold red

cold red

something's wrong

old right

this is not going as planned this is not going as expected who is this jackson who is this jackson guy who is he

who's this jackson guy

yeah

so why did you not say that or make a stink about this

during the vote on the adoption of house rules

or the congressional budget or the american rescue plan act or the for the people act or increasing the capitol police and security budget

or the in twelve percent increase in the state i'm not done

twelve percent increase in the state department in u s aid funding that they

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

they know its enance of the man behind the curtain

they all voted for

on the legislative appropriations act

combating international islamophobia all of these things all of these things the infrastructure act

i

increaseing government funding all of these things

sam i'm done but let me just finish i let you talk for so long and i don't interrupt

i'd just expect a little bit of respect in return

all of these things were passed by a margin of roughly

h six to ten votes in the house

these are all things that the progressives could have banded together or in some cases banded together to stop and you cancessions in recurn jack please please notop interrupting me

n hep interrupting me

ackon

you listed off a bunch of votes that you you you presume i'm against

no problem with the state department getting more funding

no no we don't you don't have a p

it that

what

no problem with the state department getting more funding

but aren't you a lefty progressive

whats that

with the state department getting funding now

a twelve percent increase

i mean a twelve percent increase eleven percent increase thirteen percent increase you know you don't have a problem with the state department who is you know leading cups across this world who is

launching hybrid warfare th

the national endowment for democracy and countries all across this world like venezuela like you just mentioned

no

i don't have a problem

i think it's basic

that's literally the future of the left

gen that you said you had a problem with

war moongering and sanctions on venezuela you don't have a problem with the twelve percent increase to the state department

when they could be can getting concessions for progressive policies in return

what was a concession

any concession

do you know do you know how closely that state department vote passed

do you even know the vote

no

it was two hundred and seventeen to two hundred and twelve

ay you see tleb and bush voted no

presley omar bama bowman gia paul cona lee importer voted yes so had three more progressives who voted yes voted no

they would have been able to

defeat the measure temporarily or you know forever because i don't support an increase in the state department unlike you

and they could have blocked it temporarily and gotten concessions in return re on the state department budget

so why don't you think it was a good idea to at least temporary

temporarily delay the passage of that to get you i had more of an issue with was the n no way i want to hear you answer that rezation i don't care jackson i don't care i do not

be there

to be completely fair with you

let's just look at how many subs he has

sam cedar is a guy with

over a million ss we're going to go on his channel

and i'm going to show you why i'm going to be charitable with her

right because

to be fair

he says he does not care right

this is a man with a channel that has one point one million subscribers

and his video views nineteen thousand twelve thousand thirty thousand twenty six thousand twenty five thousand

nine thousand twenty nine thousand

i mean it's pretty clear he doesn't care right he doesn't care his channel's dying

why should he care

what should he care about when his channels dying

what's the careribout

mean our infrared vision videos get more views on air

at this

i don't know what

you care about what you know

chair

your concern about the twelve percent increase in the pent in the state department budget i'm far more i'm not i'm not asking you to care about that i'm asking you to care about

the fact that they could have delayed that

they chose not to

and by choosing not to they abandon an opportunity to get a progressive concession in return why di't why didn't con session are you talking about

any progressive concession you've listed things like getting better committee assignments

wait w wait so you think they're going to get a better committee assignment if they hold up the vote on a state department budget

that's what you've said in the past regarding the speakership vote i think there's other progressive concessions they could have gott in return

i think you know they could have gotten votes on given policies i think they could have gotten bidens agenda potentially to me

what what about

s sam listen what about a fifteen dollars minimum wage for all americans

that's not even a progressive agenda item that's something biden ran on a minimum wage yes get through the senate

jackson

but don't you think it would be important to at the least get a vote on that

in the house

i mean i suppose i mean i think everybody has said they're for it it's not going anywhere so why don't you support the squad delaying these bills all the ones i just listed that passed by a small margin of votes smaller than the squad themse things are not terribly relevant in the final analysis i mean that one of the problems with let's say force the vote and you want to talk about that and you've quoted me from a video in which i initially talked about force the vote do we have that video

play that video play a clip of that video and i'm going to i'm going to tell you like what exactly what happened with foreed to look at the video to

i don't care

but

remember what you said

i think around soon he's going to actually kick out jackson

right

so

are he's going to mute jackson and then we're going to go to jackson's channel and see the truth

it was a year ago jackson

i guess your opinions have shifted a lot since then

well i've also done

three hundred shows since so this is who is this on the bottom this is emma thegland

then

all right heres who hates jackson a lot

the

here's jamie peck

here's the video

let me see im look up on twitter

i'm surprised she's never interacted with me

she's one of those seventy k accounts that all piled on in the tax

my only caveat about this is that a

i don't know how well it's going to do in a vote

i think it's going to get the majority of democratic fired

i would imagine

if it was to take the vote taken but it's also like is that the best at i don't imagine she's good

ask

she blocked you in twenty seventeen

is a better ask

ah

we want

more progressives on this committee

or we want more progressives on that committee

um

but at the time for the time being

and i need to read more into it

but i think the idea is that it is worth

right now i think this is one of those few places like where twitter actually means something

all right so now jackson let me tell you what happened after that

can you hear me my my camera froze for some reason you can hear me though

yeah we can hear you ok so let me tell you what what what happened at that point

um

cia operation incoming

i was talking to some people and nobody in any in rsional thank you so much jen appreciate you

but but activists on this

people who are involved in medicare for all were like it's going to be bad

we're going to lose three hundred to plus

to one hundred it's going to be bad for medicare for all and i was like well

i at this point it's quite clear

that

the the campaign for force the vote had already basically taken off and at that point

do we just lose them

no i'm still here my camera just went out

i don't know what happened is it on your end because i can actually see me in your camera know it's must be his it's on my end

anyways all right so

and at that point i realize like ok well i'm not going to stay in the way of this thing because

bled a thousand flowers bloom was my feeling

it was a dumb ask uh to have a vote

watching myself fur times four it was a dumb ask in my opinion to have a vote for something that was going to lose

and i think that we definitely saw the the

the failure even if it had won

i think it would you know and it would have gone anywhere in in the senate but but for it to lose so badly would have been a dumb thing to do and then all of a sudden it became the sort of litmus test if the squad is not using this to do a dumb performative act then there are sellouts

and that was the only time that i actually evend started to speak out against the force of the vote

i'm not even sure if i did you know maybe because this is why because first of all did something that mau talked about

which is called drawing a line

it actually distinguished a class contradiction among progressives

between the professional managerials

and

had a new type of american left

and another thing i did that was the general strike shit

right

and i explained the reasons for that

it was a form of drawing a line

that's exactly what was great about force the all

ee i think maybe we talked about it once

um

at that point

a

and the next time i talked about it was on a

show i was invited on which at the time i was invited on was called

what was it like bury the or putting force the vote to bed i think it was

by time m ended that show it was had been a debate but that was weeks after it had failed

so the reason why i didn't hold them to

getting committee positions with that vote at that point was because

the whole thing had taken offs medicare for all and it become you know someone's

sort of pet project

to make it about some type of litmus test

for the squad to push for medicare for all

which i thought was a really bad idea

all right well you know it's you know it's interesting about that putting forth the vote

to bad debate you i don't know if you still believe this but

one of the reasons you put forward for not supporting force the votes was

you said let's say nancy pelosi says fine don't vote for me

a

the ms lose the speakership because you're not going to get that two hundred eighteen people to coalesce around another person you're going to end up getting mccarthy

do you still believe the lie that kevin mccarthy would become speaker of the house if we tried to force the vote

i have no idea what would have happened to be totally honest with you because there was no other candidate to run if

backtracking sam

sam backtracker

for speaker of the house

but you do understand it would have taken democrats voting for kevin mccarthy or a large number of people abstaining from voting altogether

right don't chair

i don't care

er than voting for someone else to end up with kevin mccarthy as speaker we i don't know let's say they held out

what happens on day yeah matt leach muted jackson

i heard about that matt leech guy

and i can't talk about him on twitch

because you're not allowed to comment on like

potential obesity but

uh it just sounds like something someone who

my

it that description would do and i don't even know what it looks like

two or three

you keep taking more rounds of voting

do people abstain

no you keep taking more out know how do you know josh gottheimer doesn't abstain

how do you know has u historical precedent how do you

well you know there's historical present for what henr we quay are

for a house speakership vote that went twelve rounds

yet well how do you know that josh godheimer is not going to abstain

how do you know the henry quayre is not going to abstain because that would mean a democrat is voting the d s a brooklyn iight and why do you think he hates jackson because he's a nerd

and jackson's a chad

and that's why he hates jackson so much he just hates it

i hate you

for republican that's not going to happen

have you seen henry quayars voting voting record

i have and i've seen a oc's which falls pretty much all in line with nancy peloso

d g g subread it

saying we have the same mannerisms that's what they say about me and zirka

they literally say that about me in zerko

i'm trying to find it let me see

no i don't want to see it in twitch wris wisperscause it's not like if it's not in the first page

i don't

care

it's clearly not big enough

ok can i also say something to

is that

i on you

yeah yeah it's not i don't really see it on the front page

so it's just doesn't exist

it's not rosen

it's just not

relevant

you know

it's just not right

closess to

right well henry quars doesn't

that the fact of the matter is they were not going to vote for a republican the democratic estamblishment you're allowed that that happen and the fact that you're sort of you're

his name's matt letch i thought it was matt leech

oh he's a new york hipster gentrifer

this is the guy muting jackson

this is the guy

i could see why he has a lot of jealousy for jackson it's all i got to say i could see why he's super jealous of jackson and i

has a lot of problems with them

i understand

i understand now

you're thinking that there's some sort of

practicality in this argument that henry quayre or

godheimer would have voted for kevin mccarthy speakers actually insane like that's actually insane

okay

so

if you understand though the principle behind fs of luck

and maybe you have problems with

the medicare ask i had abotblem with the askes rightmss i understand wen a rouble me leverage i know my camera is not on it broke but like let me at least finish what i'm saying

ok you understand if you understand that force the vote

is a strategy that could be carried out and you've said this in the past you just think maybe medicare fraull wasn't the best ask or the speakership vote was too risky because you don't understand how speakership vote works

then why didn't you support forcing the vote on any of the other policies i listed

or criticized the squad

for

not forcing lad on those policies ok

let's not use the word force the vote because what do you want what do you want to call it

why didn't they use their laverage

i know that words that phrase is triggering to you so why didn't they

hm

oh oh

ah that's a that's a

that's

that's a jab

the face

use their leverage

why didn't they use their leverage now how do you know that they didn't

because they voted for these bills without getting concessions in return that's just the the dumbest shit how do you know they didn't because what have they gotten done

how do you know

because there are no substantive large material changes that we have seen

there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing that the square is no no back better isn't happening

and even if it was

it's not clearly attributable to the squad

so what's the point

if you think politics is about policy

then you're an idiot

it's about being able to attribute it to them

because it's about trust

if the good things and build back better

are because of the squad using their leverage

that is completely meaningless if the squad is not the people taking credit for it

otherwise

the level of trust that people have in biden

vis the squad will remain unchanged

and that's what politics is about

if you don't take credit for it it doesn't even count

this is biden's but that's biden's bill

even if you sam cedar was right

and they were using their leverage behind the scenes

that's not what politics is politics is taking credit

it's not about passing policies it's about

showing people your past policies

you did it

second you know just nme the statement you just asked me i let me finish you know i you said there is no listen from what i know the s is not prepared to go to war with russia

that russia

russia's anti missile defense systems are the best in the world

and

you the u s only has air superiority going for it and that's something russia can deal with so

i don't i don't think you s is going to farewell in a war with russia

i don't

a the us is not strategically prepared

they got to ask my question if you want legiation ring or not you know what's in the go wt me to know answering

you know what's in the billback better bill

but the one that didn't pass

russia would probably beat the us in a ground war

and

the us only has air superiority that it focuses on

no no the one that did pass

it passed on m they house

was it signed into law i must

but jackson we're talking about house members yes

well what is the point of talking about house members are we talking at people on it

what is the point we're talking about joe mansion are we talking about a o c

you said the joe mansion

you general say the u s trounces the sorry that russia trounces the u s in simulations

um yeah

worse than a o c that a more progressive they're different people there are two different houses you understand how that works you want to you want to hear the incredible things and you want to the i undertand chambers anddra and you want to hear one second a taco next ho let me know when they mute jackson so i can show the truth

let me answer the initial question you ask an let me say this

well let me play forsing thing here one second jackson give me one second

will you play the end of this case so they're muting him right now right

so this is where we're going to switch to jackson's

is these

slimy fuck mutedim

the il han omar thing because i thought this was sort of interesting because i think it's possible that jackson doesn't quite understand

certain dynamics

bradley do you have that

play this last clip because i tuned into this or

i get to be fair

somebody sent this to me

and i was curious because jackson had

don a video he muted right now

go on our interview with il han omar and said it was shocking

and how was like

was it

did we do something that was shocking in the interview

but play the end of this and this what i think it was

fights a little bit of ways away so we can we can hopefully caet and the le oh wow the they did their research

ship fights are not going to happen dude

what are you saying you honestly believe

see how these people are snakes so so sam cedar was pretending like oh i'm just having a conversation no you did your research

yeah you did you ducg stuff up about jackson and she did't

treat him like you just some guy having a talk with you you did all your operaes you do your oppo research

you did your appo research

that's what these fucking people do

hello nomres like this mother folk who thinks that we're going to hold the house oh my god okay

okay yes sure you ask me those leadership position questions when the time comes around okay

all right all right all right we'll see you later okay

that was incredible

ok so jackson you understand there is going to be a leadership fight

regardless of whether the democrats hold the house

that there is a leadership fight

if they are the in the majority then it's for the speakership

and if they're in the minority then it's just for the leadership

in other words kevin mccarthy is the leader of the republicans in the minority

you understand how that it works right

so first of all i do want to address the fact that you just completely changed the subject when you were getting pressed

but

yees i didn't you don't think like you expll they didn't explain itt all and he kept saying on mutual sof

pect

six members of the squad

to change the votes in the senate and it doesn't work that way when did i ever say that sam

well cause i said you said what concessions did they get and i said they passed the buil back better bill which you didn't seem to understand in the house and they did pass it in the house

i was passing the build back better bill a concession that's biden's bill that's not their fucking bill

and if you want to say that the things in that bill

are to appease the squad

then the're deb's that's politically

obsolete if you don't if it's

if they don't fucking get credit for it in public

it's not their bill

i don't care what happened behind the scenes it's not their fucking bill

because politics is about trust it's not about actually passing policies behind the scenes

that's like fucking you know ok i'm going to explain it to you like this o

let's say

the entire reason build back better happened

it's because

the entire reason for why buildback better happened

is because fellow traveler

was talking on the phone with byd he said

you know biden

you want to roll mat biden

we can roll mat

and that's the only reason it ever fucking got past right

or jason let's say jason on ru

and jason andruj calls joe biden and he every day he goes

joe biden you better pass bill b better now

and he that's the reason we're getting builled back better because of jason and rui

ok

to use this as an analogy

if jason is not the one getting credit for build back better

and i need you guys to bear with me because stupid people will not understand this point

stupid people will not get it so pay attention you bird brains

so you fucking understand this

if the only reason biden is passing build back better

is because of jason and ruey

and as a politician joel biden would otherwise not be passing it

then

you cannot say

that jason and rue

used his leverage to pass the bill

because he's not getting credit for it

and if he doesn't get credit for it

then

the reason for the bill being passed is going to be given to biden

he does not have his own reason for wanting to pass it

in order to be an effective politician who's actually helping the progressive cause

jason on ruy would have to take credit for it

so that the public can know where the source of this is coming from

and that the source is going to continue to have power

if the public is not exposed to that fact

it is of zero consequence

what happened behind the scenes

because the public

is just going to give biden the credit for that

well if you want to talk about what helps or harms the progressive agenda

brobaidin to gets credits for that

would basically mean

that progressives remained powerless the power of progressives to get things done is still not proven

i mean it's like simple do you guys get this

do you guys get this at all like why you have to take credit for it

and that's the decisive thing is taking credit

it doesn't matter what happens behind the fucking scenes

you have to leverage your power in front of the public

to get things done

if you don't do that it doesn't fockon matter

because it's about trust it's about making the public more supportive of you

at the expense

of democrats like joe biden

because if they trust if they trust progressives now

they're going to be trusting the source of those changes

if they trust joe biden they're not trusting the source of the change

and progressives don't gain from it

it's like a really simple point here

and then said signed into legislation i said that's because it got stopped in the senate ok members the house cannot control it to be really really respectful right now but you catine talk over me and do it let me let me go

so

when you talk about speakership votes that implies that there is going to be a democratic majority i spoke about going to second of all ership on of all right again he didn't hear a second played again hold on mut you if you played again c b s a took a superficially anti nato stance while supporting nato at home

ok so don't tell me about

i'm trying to talk about it's my showing done

it's not you have double jackson's viewers and you have a million subscribers at this time

and it's also on jackson shows so don't fucking say it's your show it's fucking jackson show

toay i'm going to go off and say what i'm going to say about wait

i've been trying to get out for five minutes now but you've you can do it again but you just me you just misspoke you said i said speakership and i said leadership

so let's play it again think that even even if i see the end of that conversation the end of the conversation was about leadership and it was

the big the leas you think it's not going to happen dude

ay they muted him at this point they muted him

so they're playing this shit that we just saw

well we just saw it so we don't need a fucking see right

so

because a minute ago

you do know

little discussion we by don't money to different

congressional candidates

those leadership position questions on the time comes re quiteion let me finish you you let me s you said there's no you did ask me i question you want to you sing or not you know what sen you don't it answering

you know what's in the billback better bill

but the one that didn't pass

no no the one that did pass

it passed in that house here you fucking muted me you're full into legislation and i said that's because it got stopped in the senate ok and s house cannot control really really respectful right now but you continue over me and so i mean let me go so when you talk about speakersivotes that implies that there's won't to be a democratic majority i sti again you if you play togain i' trying to talk

it's my shoting i'm to go up and say what i'm say about what ok so that at this point they're muting him

and

hold on

ing dong and you know they quoted this on twitter

and they thought it was a big own by sam cedter he called them a ding dog oh my god suys he called them a ding dog

boomer who humer am i right

boomer boomer

call thehim a ding dong

ah

i mean to be fair this is a guy who used to wear a sweater vessel

i've been trying to get out for five minutes now but you can you can do it again but you just me you just misspoke you said i said speakership and i said leadership so let's play it again it even if i did end of that conversation the end of the conversation was about leadership and it was

the big the think by it's not going to have matters as much as you saying you honestly

so they muted him here

he he's being muted on their en

believe

hello nomres like this mother folk it things that we're going to hold the house oh my god ok i didn't so ok yeah sure you asked me those leadership position questions and themes around ok

all right all right so so jackson continue do you actually met yourself jackson

do you actually think

that the speakership is he still mute

andm i muted

and you hear me he may not come back

what a fucking

well see

what a fucking snake

he muted him and then he immediately said he may not come back

after muting him and he didn't even

leave the call i don't think

what the fu this is themst snake

you know do you i see why i'm paranoid

you guys see how these people do this shit like the dylan burns people

and this is this whole crowd that are being propped up

by the state department

they do this snake shit they do thisust like this slimy snake shit

that you can't even anticipate

you know

it's really dishonest like

fucking manipulative fucking snake behavior

and you don't as a normal person youn't even think people would do this shit but they plan it they plan it ith like ok at this point

we're going to w

pretend that he left

and make it seem like he raged quitk

what the far

can you hear me

they just muted me

can you hear me hello

ask him to i meet a few more times

you ida it might be the compon obserco

like satllit you got to meet samira

because

i think you guys would get along really well

we should do a podcast

us four

me you jackson and samira should do a potcest

he's got a pretty good bye

pretty crazy set up going on all i do is see myself twice you muted me

god it go w she's here she's in the chad right now

yet she's anti beta

she's based in every way trust me she's based

me hello hello hello you my mike is still on

my mike is still on can you hear me

all right well jackson

gee you want to come back you can come back if not i'm here you can look at yeah do you see this fucking dishonesty

do you see this fuck in dishonesty

well jackson if you want to come back you can he tried to worm and weasel his fucking way out

he tried to worm and weasel his way out

and you fuck and believe that

and he thought he was going to get away with it too

and say goodbye

i'm here you fucking muted me you're full of shit we can keep him on if we want ise keep him in the side

you muted me

look at how mat this is is you see what i'm saying this is why i'm fucking paranoid

who does this shit what have i

long time no seamen

who does this fuck andshit

who does this

with a forock does this shit

this is such snake falking behavior

i don't even know how to reach out to

to we said ask him to mute a few more times clearly planned yeah it was planned one hundred percent

thank you j p

the g p camps appreciate you

because thiss what they do

they planned all this shit before

you should be paranoid if you're on political twitch i swear to god these people

actually plan everything they fuck and do they plan all the shit

they planed it out

am i still on the screen

yeah you are ok

you muted me

to number

what's this one

my audience can hear me right now you you did me do this one

fucking bitch

oh

put that see if that gets ameted me

this is a

yeat do you see how disgusting this is

this the thing is sometimes i think jackson maybe not it's necessarily as truthful he says lies my parents

i did not see this fart

des i

i had to go to the gym and shit

i was go a coverard now

this is the first time i'm seeing this part

can you falk and believe this script

can you fuck and believe this disgusting say tanic

evil fucking behavior

this was literally he printed a piece of paper out

so if you want to know what they're covering here

we can cover it

and the reason i'm go to cover it

with you

is because it's not embarrassing at all

ok

but they're trying to mock him and this is what the're covering

so

jackson in twenty

twenty

made a tweet you know

lies my parents augve me when i was little

just a relatable one of those tweets you know

santa is real tooth fairleaes wonder the united states is fight this is a relatable tweet

this is a tweet

lot of people can relate to

he's not shitting on his parents because most

americans

are told this as children right

yeah it's an endearing tweet

and then you know

i

is that

it's endearing he responds it's funny like it's an endearing thing you know

like

what's there's nothing embarrassing about this is do these people have fathers do they have mothers

yeah it was cute is a cute response

like

it's a father's son interaction

you know

this is a basic fonder father son interaction a wholesome

father son interaction

ok

now sam cedar this slimy snake fucx

muty jackson

made it seem like jackson ran away

and then decided to bring this twitt up

and i'll tell you why sam cedar brought this tweet up

it's because left this twitter swarmed this tweet

and made a big thing out of it to embarrass jackson and make it seem like this is so humiliating

and embarrassing and oll jugs and you got on and they really really went hard at

so that's why sam suter is bringing it up

now what does this have to do with the debate

what does it have to do with the debate at hand why is he getting personal here

did jackson get person i mean

jackson

could have said a lot of things about

sam cedar

and

the very high likelihood that he has gno co mastia

he could have talked about that

he could have talked about sam cedar's level of manhood

could have talked about the way sam cedar sounded

he could have talked about

sam sedar's character

and what type of

man sam cedar is

you could have talked about the facts

and it's something both me and jackson know

that sam sedter used to wear sweater vests

there's a lot of embarrassing things we actually know about sam seter

ok

and jackson could have talked about a lot of those

but he stuck to the meat and potatoes

so tell me why sam cedar is bringing this u

does sam cedter really want to have a roast off

interesting

so this is what i'm saying now

since sam cedar has proven himself that he wants to go beyond the threshold

of

professionalism

i think it's time that i debate sam seter

because i think i would be more up sam cedars alley because

jackson's a pretty professional guy he keeps it professional

and mature

it kind of sounds to me

like sam cedar

wants to debate a guy like me

that's what it sounds like to me it's kind of sounds like sam sedars asking to to debate

a guy like me

so

i think i am going to debate sam cedar

and there's a lot of things he can show the two whole thing he can show

uh

what else is supposedly going to be embarrassing

he can show the the

the height thing

you can show the

what else i don't know what else you could say

there's a lot of things you can show

and

i think there's a lot of things i could show too

and i'm fine with that i will happily

go toe to toe with sam sedar

and we will see who makes who cry

and

let me tell you how committed i might be to this

i don't even think i'm gonna stream it on twitch

i think i'm just going to

have em say sam

don't stream thisr twitch

only stream it to you tube

and i'm not even going to stream it i'm just going to go on your show

and that way we won't have to follow twich is to us

i think sam sar is looking for something

more like that

he can mute me because i'll record it on my end and upload it on youtube i'll just record it

so don't worry if he mutes

it's told me when i was little this is just from like a abt

i guess you're me i swear sanda is real

the tooth fairy leaves money under your pillow

fucking cons

bucking cons

they muted me

they kicked me off they muted me

absolute fucking disrespectful

that is a qui on their end

and i wen they muted me

and my fucking camera doesn't work i don't know what

hold on

jackson's calling me right now

right i was just talking to jackson

alright let's continue

but the fuck happened to this

they muted me

let me try my camera again

i

thath

they muted me bro

you guys can still hear me

there's no way i could have muted myself on their own thing so yeah this is what they did they muted him and then they pretended he quit

the host muted me and never unmuted

that's a quict on their end that's a fucking l for sam cedter

fucking bitch

that was the biggest bitch move i've ever heard of my fucking life

sam cedar just muted me

after my camera stopped working

why the fuck is my camera broken

god fucking shit

what a little bitch what a weasly little fucking bitch

what a weasly little bitch bro he muted me

you guys are still so what happened is you guys

or the jackson's chat spammed

it chat

so that's why they were forced to bring him back on that's crazy

that's actually fucking crazy

is this what jackson did to dyllan howe

we even talking about

don't hurt me

the host muted me when they played that dumb mass fucking video again

this is insane

well

i guess he just didn't want to de baate me

let me see if i can get this camera working again

not work

i really know what happened here

i can't believe that

tamera thank you for the super cha

this was all planned

without a doubt they muted me

sam sater ran like crowder ran from him

yeah i agree

they muted me

i've never had that happen in a debate before

muting me and then acting like you didn't just mute me

i mean

bow that's

th

that's crazy

that's actually crazy

take a trans they always pull this shitp

you see what i'm saying as they always pull something

it's so weird it's so fucking weird how they always have to pull some shit

the focc is over

and thankfully this did not work

but they always pull some shit they always always have some weird shit to pull

always

marxis for the gift thatse that was

that's actually just wild

ust go't leave this oupvious you can look a something stay human theg for the super

cia tactics

without a doubt

i don't know why my camera's over

not the time for my camera to stop

not a goo time for my cameras

all right so let's see what they're doing on their end to cope and lie

this this whole thing

i'm santa you never complained when you got the gifts

yes

we were such asshles

jing their votes

now presumably they would leverage their votes

to get negotiations with biden

so they muted him

lyden said that he left posted a tweet for no fucking reason

other than to be vicious satanic pieces of shit

had nothing to do with anything

and then they just started to cope about what he couldn't actually defend and argue for during the debate

yeah well they got they get the opportunity to be ignored by joe bden there's mat les talking and no one ask them to talk

but i don't understand how you're supposed to leverage to get something and that i th it maybe can get his camera set up again too we can

go round to

s goot the link it's there for him if you want so i told them we had amply gave a o c voted the right way loking at it from a

was

to mean when it was amply gave al c voted the right way to mat me and now i'll jump off so you guys be on monoing mono

well like

first of all my cameras are working second of all

your host muted me i don't know who that was but your host you talking over the clip it was me

it was me

mattlech

it was me

yeah i'm your you

and then i never

i never on muted my thing i never touched any of myself on my end

and then you guys claimed that

i muted myself

you guys muted me and try to get me off the stream

i just said it no you're back i just said i muted you because you're talking n we do that a verre

why didn't you on mute me when it was over and then you claimed that i uted myself and i back jackson you're talking to me let me just clarify i asked you on me yourself you'll notice in the chat i said are you able to me yourself and you left but now that everything sorted out again except your camera welcome if you muted me why didn't you just on mute me

i tried to action a jacksonsom

is your bad let me explain let me just explain for everybody because this i don't want this to be the thing that they hang a hat on

it says asked to thet yourself so i asked you to meet yourself you had to

what a stupid fucking bullshit

why

these people have anything but lies

this is a fucking lie

to affirmatively amt yourself you didn't do that

but now we just say that

that's what i said actually right before you got on there so we have a sat you said on a chat but you didn't i didn't i'm not reading the chat i mean i didn't even know there was a chat in here but all right let's keep talking so

and

o

so my question sam was

if you understand

the idea behind forcing a vote

on these sorts of policies

and the squad ran on a set agenda saying they were going to fight for that agenda

and then every time they have the opportunity to force a vote on any number of these bills they choose not to

and they have no material gains no material concessions that they can show for

these potentially hypothetical secret concessions that you claim they're getting

potentially

then why aren't you criticizing them like we all are

ok i don't know who we all are in this instance

but everyone who's criticizing them

such a pointless comment

poplept jackson you started this off by saying that

they were getting preferential treatment

by the democrats and one of those was their ability to go in and negotiate with biden

now how is that

preferential treatment different

from exercising their leverage

to get in and negotiate

as to what the outcomes of bills will be

very very easy answer to that

if you're looking at it from a practical sense as to what is practical

a pragmatic politics

the idea of going in on a joint task force with biden does not result

and material changes in addition to that

those those joint task forces with the exception of say the climate change one

they weren't negotiating based on their agenda and items that they could potentially get concessions on they were negotiating

in favor of biden's agenda

between the more progressive aspects of his agenda and the more conservative aspects of his agenda

and

i think

that they need to be forcing votes

on their agenda consens was there aing votes what are you talking about what does that mean forcing votes

wey i would ask you because in your initial video and in the debate you had with b oh this is yeah this is this is where sam cedar gets

really really grilled

this is really bad for

he gets grilled like this

yeah

that's a problem

on a joy gray

you said that yes i think forcing a vote is a fundamentally good principle

for getting leverage

for certain things

is

a good principle

but i don't know you mean forcing a vote you could have a vote listen

there's a bill

that has been introduced by j a paul right a medicare for aull bill

it was introduced after they had already voted for the subsidiation of cobra premiums for six months which is something you said you vehemently disagreed with

i did disagree with it yes

i railed on it quite a bit actually you know they actually delayed the introduction of medicare for all so they could initially first pass the cobra premium subsidies in that coverns yes nancy pelosi is a very outspoken critic of medicare for all

i'm aware of that

that's why i'

criticized nancy pelosi for that as well

so if you think that you back here thats

jpon

do i think that putting a vote for medicare for all on the floor is not the best ask correct

ok so

why don't they instead you know

focus on if you think maybe these domestic policies

are not their strong suit in forcing their agenda i do like medicare for all

why don't they focus on foreign policy issues n no no

jackson

mhmm

you talk in jibber jabber here

if you'd jim or jabber to talk about

this is how you know you lose a debate

you're talking jibber jabber

what

forin policy jibber jaber vote if you force the vote

for medicare for all let's say

it will lose

and not only will it not win which you don't seem to think winning in the house is even meaningful

right because the bill back better but is not going to become a bill because it's stopping in the senate what about losing a vote in the house

you actually said you actually said on your show and let me bring this up because this is your quote

yeah see how nervous he gets oh

boat again

youus

he's like hows it

is pits are sweating there's emma had to get a bucket under his pits

is they're leaking that much with sweat

said that you think that that

it's important to set markers even if votes fail

oh i might have said that

so when they can control you know both houses and the white house

potentially with progressive politicians

they will have the record of who in the democratic caucus votes for it

am i get that bucket

yeah well i'm going to shiit my pants to grab it

the value we have a medicare for all is that we know at the very

very least

there's a hundred democrats who won't even

bosh is making fun of the fact that jackson brought up the soros foundation

from george sorose

so who's this

samira isn't this the person that the ray showed you

and then you're saying that they're getting money from george soros

if you don't know that george soros is a thing you're a fucking idiot

yes

in the form of giving it to the sunrise movement

no alan omar received direct contributions

how much oh they're clipping in because a

the contributions were not big enough to be impressive to them even though if you know even if it was one dollar

that would have been proof that soros is backing them

ok

i actually am going to tweet this and i

or the mentally deficient

even if sorrows sent

ilhan omar

one dollar

sorry

one dollar

caps on direct can't

individual donations aside

legal caps

even if

if

nine

that is

and

indication

of

backing and support

george soros

founder of the open society foundation

supports

political figures

in

many ways beyond

direct

mm

contribution

very clearly supports political

agents

beyond deck

direct contributions

it means she has the

backing of his foundation

that is an indication

that shows he supports her

in many ways beyond

so why does he sup

there you go

co sponsor the bill

right used you know s

d

now fd that you thought it was a goddea

in the senate

in the senate

they voted to expand social security payments and it's like it wasn't even george soros a lone it was like his wife or his daughter and a bunch of other family members like

what the fuck

how do you think desoney would doing a debate with jackson

there's a reason destiny's been dodging that jackson in a debate it's because

the truth is destiny

would take a major l in a debate with jackson

look you i do i don't even want to debate about it just if you you want to

see who's right and wrong about whether that would happen is just wait and see if they actually debate

i know six years ago five years ago

i'll han o mar sorol shit right here

this is alex soros

ok i mean

they're they're actually friends ok

so it's like

and here you go with the donor look up

i mean yeah this is pretty pretty

substantial

ok this is pretty substantial

the money

is not

substantial in the grand scheme of things but it is an indication that they're supporting her

so yes that's very incriminating foking evidence

which i think was very helpful

even though it couldn't pass

because yeah they're maxed donations i mean just like what do you expect they're maxed donations of what they're legally allowed

to give

hold and binds those people

so yes i mean i do think there's some some value to it but it's but it's nominal i wouldn't exercise i wouldn't exercise you know the type of leverage you're talking about

to get a vote particularly on a bill where it's going to lose three hundred to one to one hundred

or whatever

three hundred ten to one ten

what's not even about that it's about getting concessions that might not be necessarily policies like for example you have brought up this idea of getting committee assignments multiple times they not a thrash

this is a fucking thrash

working to

amen this is not my room this is a fucking air bn b so shut the fuck up

get better committees i don't live here forever

diamonds i were youre

monday

or i don't know say the next congressional cycle by the way an update about that guys is a

so the current plan is go home to michigan and immediately touchdown in michigan

and train

for the flight

but i might

also be going i'll keep you updated on this i might be going to texas for a little bit of february too

which means i'm going to be postponing the training

a little bit

why have i can do this whenever i want right i have pretty much any time this year

do that

i

so i'm not really that much in a rush

but yet

soon as when i get back to michigan i'm training for the fight one hundred percent but i'm there might be something going on in texas we'll see it's

nothing's set in stone

let me p let me p

we i will be

o

i went to be

i'm back now

i hope they are

well don't you think it's a bit of an issue

in fact i would argue that want to let you guys know that after this i'm having daniel burke

from the larouche movement on

do um

you know

to get informed and educated about stuff and have a discussion

and yeah that's going we're doing that at right after we were done with this

a b a o c

ex sending money to to moderate and even conservative democrats we're going to be able to learn more about the movement and some of their ideas and proposals and

all sort analysis all sorts of things right

and i want you guys to know something and a lot of people

you know they're like cause you're just like larouch is this like an own it's like well yeah i mean

we rouche is the closest thing right now the larouche movement is the closest thing right now

in america

l like a reel

lass

ok i mean it's just it's as simple as that

im

but mak youga stick you know marx

found marxs also found himself in situations

where he didn't

think the marxists were the best

revolutionaries right

like in russia marx preferred the neurodics over the marxis

is the same thing in america i prefer the larouge people over the self proclaimed marxists

and

they're probably the closest to my views

oh of course the c p i but the c p i like

more or less is my views right

i

saying the lrouz people are the closest

to

our views in

what is part of that

so you think that instead of leveraging their power

they should just be given dud there are six votes

what power

yeah i just listed multiple votes that passed in the house with very slim margins

such as the capital thek fund if they sink those bills

what do you think they get

if they sink those bills they could get the concessions you were just referring to and you said that you sink maybe they got by gting money to d triple c democrats that what you know said

it doesn't work that way jackson so you have to pay me five thousand dollars to thirty two different d triple c candidates to get anything done i can i start making to talks i did make a tick talk very recently actually

and i don't think it got any traction

and only got forty six likes

only got forty six likes

i mean

itcreases the wheels yeah

a grease is the wheel so what if i toled you instead of playing softball politic

it greases the wheels

what is this bucking cynical bullshit

buck in attitude

that a grease the wheels

tixing greasing the wheels which is all don't interrupt mee that on to me so many sawing out he's sawing out

i don't be what

i'm not going to ask midwestern it going to be honest i think i ruined everything with mid western

marxes

because

i uh

kept dodging him i kept like ignoring his

e mails

he was e mail e mailing me to collab and i kept

postponing it

but the reason i was postponing it was because i was

just fucking busy at the time you know i did the same to

daniel who i'm going to have on now

and i did the same to peter coffin

but

you know i'm i don't really treat the people that i agree with very well

you notice that the people i agree with

i don't

unless i know them personally

like i know jackson

i tend to put them off in like

be like ok i don't want i don't know if we should come on yet

does

i have to deal with all my enemies first like the people i already agree with like i already agree with you right

so it's just that's just you know

so yeah

i cry about but i like midwestern marks you know i like him

he's a good dude

he seems like a good dude

he's midwestern

m

seems like a soli dude

this entire debate and i don't care one day me eddie and jackson

and infrared people we're all going to like

meet up

one day you know

probably this year who knows

proupted me soy not i've let you talk now let me talk here

ax

eddi is on twitch right he is on twitch

i think you should come to twitch i think you should come to twitch we should expand our network you know we should expand our network

on which

you should come to twitch

is unto it

because tick talkers can come to twitch right

yeah

out of

what if i told you instead of gratings that don't mean anything softball ptics what does that mean

it mean softball politics let me be specific let me be specific softball politics is giving

one hundred and sixty thousand dollars to d tple c democrats when she said she was not going to do it

please don't interrupt me

hardball politics would be as he do debates by the way

they blocking the state department in usaid twelve percent funding increase or black

blocking the capitol police and security funding increase

it's pretty clear like what jackson's talking about is like

softball bullshit is greasing the wheels and hard ball

is when you block so it's like it's pretty common sense and honestly's

sam cedar is coming at this from bad faith

so he's not going to call spade a spade and just be common sense right

luno oi blocked you on twitter

she blocked you on twitter because you tweeted

favorably about me

because you said go watch in for haz he's cool

she she blocked you because of that

oh he does do debates

well if he came on to twitch it would be cool if he started debating the destiny neo libs

that be pretty base

and what happens after you vote no on that you vote no on it

and you block the bill from passing and because these are things that the democratic establishment really wants pass you get concessions to votes

for those policies that's hard butt politics what are you talking about what vote for what policy

votes for no i said did he debate destiny no way i have to watch the getting concessions and when i say voting for ptaliate against her

no i'm saying getting concessions

to vote for the policies that they voted for without any concessions like the increase in capitol police

and security funding what you dom would you change in that capitol police funding that you think that they should have changed in that bill

well i don't think that we should have given an increase of capital police and security you sam here's here's the part you're missing

it's not about necessarily what they could change in that bill

it's about

blocking that bill until they get a concession for something that

substantively benefits the agenda they are fighting for

what is this something that you're talking about

you've listed numerous examples on your show because you said medicare forrall is not a good ask so what if we did

this that's or the other there's a whole host of things why youm not a member of congress but i don't know not i'm not a member of know how it works jackson but you can't even articulate one thing that they're supposed to be asking for fifteen dollars minimum wag ok committee assignments may assignment i'm not going to do a committee assigment you better but the committee assignments come out at the beginning of the year and we'll find about i w'll find out about that don't you think that

we'll find out about that

mm

interesting

interesting

that they would say when they were receiving all the criticism

in the next esh you increase the caal please walk because we got this ing against you want min you think

you want my vote

nancy pelosi for the state department increase by twelve percent and i'm going to withhold that vote

unless

we have a vote on medicare for all and the hundred people who are against it vote for it

and i said that was a good idea at the time

now jackson i'm asking you i'm asking you

i'm asking you do you still not believe it's a good idea because at the time i very quickly

said it wasn't a good idea

so hevery well yout that video

so you said that it was a good idea you said then very quickly i changed my mind and i thought it was a bad idea

now you cited your reasoning for this because you said you thought it was a part of a jimmy dore effort to he know odd no what you said i don't know question is you say do't a coorse you still support the fundamental strategy of forcing the vote right

whath are you talking about forced to vote no i do not sell b do but you called it leverage you just gave it a different name and called it leverage

the idea of forcing a vote on something is stupid ye know the problem was with force oft the fuck up matt leech

what a fuck talk of me

n you know the problem going to shut the fuck up

what do you have to do with this

shut up i'm the business

you don't think i aggressive

don't say straight up

or what sam what are you going to fd

can do about it tough guy

look at how sam ties the toughen up hey oh my god it's sam cedar

oh my god it's sam peter

you better apologize jackson

you better apologize jackson it's sam seter

you better apologize

like what the fuck am i was looking at you know like

oh my god you better apologize it's sam cedar you better i

stay in line

don't think that progressives i want to

you don't think it

that

i want you to apologize

it'

okay

oh guys imagine if the optics were reversed imagine if jackson did something so pathetic as to say

i want you to apologize you would have gotten clip

fifteen thousand likes and everyone would have circle jerked around it

why don't we do this we need to start

doing shit like that you know

we need to do what they do on twitter we need to hold them to the same standard they hold us

you know

can you imagine if meor jackson acted this pathetic

and soy

in cringe

think progressive shoud power it is say that i thinkgressve should leverage their power yeesk so that's called for i

but no it's not

but you just

fulking said it was

you just said one minute ago that i don't want to use the phrase forced vote i want to use the pras lguageow you guys made be of those difference

because it's why you use your liveratre

emma emma had to

tag in because low energy sam

is running out

bridge for john what happened to the apology at that weren't you asking for an apology

ace ok look i don't want to get in know it's how you it's how you exert that leverage sam

so the substance doesn't matter

i don' the substance of how what strategy you employ to leverage your power that's what matters

you think

that's instead of leveraging the power

they should donate a hundred and sixty thousand dollars to trupcy democrats

ok i think

contributing money to people

gets them

to vote your way

i think there are different things that you can do

to build a coalition

to pass legislation

to materially benefit people and what happens i don't know if what happens well you all this i don't know if

you would have gotten

those corporateists who wanted the salt reductions in exc etce to vote for build back better or do to sign off on a provision to let's say have expanded child care

this squad is going to outbribe wall street in big pharma

or whatever it is that's the winning strategy

had they not built those bridges maybe maybe not we don't know for sure we're not privy to those conversations

you can say i don't think it's a good strategy

to

and i can tell you this the reason why standy hoyer is the whip

of the of the of the

of the caucus of the democratic caucus

is because stanny hoyer

gets all this corporate money

that he doles out

he doesn't have to do much fundraising for himself we're not talking about so many country

what goes around the country

and he builds support for things by don't kut anyone know it has nothing to do with electoral politics it has everything to do with

creating political alternatives

within politics

and there's no reason to think the democratic parties

more viable than the republican party

as a launching bat

to different

congressional

candidates

and so

is there value for the number one fundraiser

who happens to be a progressive

to wield that same type of power my answer is yes

definitively

so i point that wetly that's very intert our pays off very interest n i'm not that's very interesting because earlier on in this debate

you quite literally said i had a problem heard the debate jackson it'll be on video you have to e i had a

you don't want to talk about you said i had a problem mad he got

look how upset he got

oh if only you knew how bad things were

look how upset he is

problem with a o c donating a hundred and sixty thousand dollars to d t c democrats when she said

that she wasn't going to

so

my question is you just sd a moment go that problem you a moment to go

you seet the moment now here's emma here's emma tapping it

noww who the fucker you excuse me

this is like this is like a

it's like a um

elementary school football and the mom just starts getting on nob nob now

now dow now

came on

go a the had whateverus said a moment ago that you can look at the video jackson

what i would love to

you just said a moment ago

that there is the potential

for factions to form in congress and those factions can leverage their power did you not

your hold on

i don't know if i said that but i agree with that statement ok so

if you think that that is possible

and if the explicit goal of the justice democrats was to do just that

and if the

reality of this session of congress

is they could have blocked

certain votes

thatw were in my opinion bad maybe in your opinion i don't know what you think about those votes but they could have blocked those votes to get concessions in return they haven't done that

don't you think that that is a failure of their strategy

in general no i think that they got no because you're you're not you're not giving me a specific instance and i don't the there are votes that they may bef or against

i don't know

so i sa your vote i actually i actually respect you more i actually respect you more after this debate than i initially did coming into the debate because

you said on multiple occasions like when i brought up when i brought up the same sharing up when i brought when i brought up the sanctions when i brought up a

you know other issues that i had you know disagreements with them on

with the exception the state department capitol police funding you actually said that those were bad things that you disagreed with what they did

and in some cases but not all you criticize them

but you still fail

to recognize is that the explicit strategy that the justice democrats ran on

which was to create those factions

and essentially be a thorn in the side of the democratic establishment

kind of in a way you know what the just deparmocrat s party explicitly that har tm time you going to enteruin

you're interrupting not as many times as you said jimmy door during the briana joy great debate

i was notull done

so they were to be oncard in the side a stat i don't care here we go i don't care

bushman

i do they have not done that on being a thorn in the side of the democratic establishment is literally for children

or the people'

but

what

party go go win some race like i don't i don't like i want material benefits

four people

and if

what's your time schale for that

and why is it so arbitrary

that's fucking stupid

you have to take risks and sacrifice

material benefits in the short term

if you want political chaye

every revolution led to short term

material in immiseration

every single one

the chinese revolution the great leap forward millions died in a famine china is now the most powerful country

on earth the most one of those prosperous wealthy the chinese people have never been more prosperous and wealthy

in the history of humanity

you want to know why because they took risks

and they sacrifice short term material gains

such a stupid slave like mentality just the mit and whoever's in charge

if that means that they stroke the democratic establishment or they are thorn in i don't care about that that's for children

that's what not for children

know i care about stablish daddy this who cares by not be a the establishment you not being athorn in the side of the establishment they actually hurt themselves

ok you want to a

provide material benefits

ow how are you going to do it

and what are the what material benefits can you provide

l

by donating yes they did by donating to the dle c candidates but they were going to be challenged by progressive

primary candidates

they have essentially ring sud you know its of those provolt

rise thank you so much bro

aggressive primary candidates challenging the detroitgress in this next e candidate

what

which progressive candidates were running against those

eva putzoba is the one that comes to mind arizona's first district she was going to run against one

the bebs in michigan

what

no let me see which one he's speaking at

i've never been to this place

i've never been or heard of this place

in warren

damn

fox

i can't believe i'm not in

o bro i wish i was in michigan

s one of these deed triple c candidates that was the candidate that c gave to that ava pretrov was going to run against

what's that so i didn't hear you

who is the candidate that a o c gave money to that eva pertro was going to run against and what was ava's patro of his chance of winning

the candidate that she gave money to was

whoever represents the first district it's tom o'hllarin

he's a corporate democrat

a

eva pittsilbver was

she ran against him in twenty i believe she ran against him in twenty

twenty twenty

and then she was going to run against him again

she did very well she didn't even have i believe erry

she didn't even have justice democrats backing at that time

but the question is

why is it a o c gave money to a candidate the justice democrats are running against

no i said that i don't think she was actually endorsed by justice democrats in that race but there was the potential for her to be endorsed by them

in the next race

she wrote an article on the interncept but i suggest you read it it's really interesting

m but

seen

the the question is not about the odds the likelihood

no one thought it was c was going to be joe crowley she she had no backing she had no odds of winning

and she's still what

five

now imagine if there was that apparatus of c in the progressives behind ave ofon

but's over

who is a convincing candidate who is respected by many of these progressive institutions who did write an incredible article in the intercept about this

don't you think that there are some more

eva put so is out there who could have challenged d triple c

corporate candidates that the c donated to before primary even took place

and its possible

it's possible and that's called softball politics or greasing the wheels as you put it

and that's why i think it's a failed strategy because they are actually hurting themselves their broader movement of establishing a larger faction now

do you still think that they are the vanguard of fascism in this country because if you

he he's like dilly daling

to a completely separate cooint

it's not even wrong give me a seconds

w if they are actually to help themselves their strategy that would be sort of problematic if you think they're fascists right i'm not talking about helping themselves i'm talking about

fighting

a the analysis about why they're fascists

comes after this you don't say first there fascist then the

it's that they're fascists

after they sold out

so what jackson's doing

ok it's a good it's a wrong analysis thank you so much don the it's a multiple pronged analysis you don't begin by saying they're fascist

you begin by pointing out

that there're sellouts and then you can talk about

you can draw a conclusion from there

but first we have to agree their sellouts

then we can talk about what they're becoming

what they represent

and so on

so this is a completely meaningless

nonsensical points

is this this is a dirty gss sandwich

it's a so greasy

for the agenda that they campaigned on and utilizing the strategy that they said that they were going to carry out via the justice democrats faction in congress

which according to that

no

little discussion we just had about

the d triple c donations they're not doing that they're choosing to grease the wheels so to speak well i think they're probably doing both

if they were doing both don't you think that they would have blocked any number of those policies

no

why

i mean i don't know what any number of those policies you're talking about but i don't you're conflaant i might tried to all jackson stopliting policies you're conflating electoral strategy

with legislative strategy let's just take three in particular

the speakership votes

this

department of state and usaid twelve percent funding increase in the capitol police vote let's just take those three those are three examples in which they could have leveraged power

they could have or they could have just voted against it

or they could have just voted against it yeah i mean there's more that i have youre i have eighteen listed

a

and each you know i like so for instance for the speaker ship

they may have felt like well ok

we canno not vote but ultimately we're going to have to

i mean you just said yourself the precedent was that they take twelve votes and that they end up going to land on pelosi so if pelosi knows that

if you're right

and there's no other option as to who's going to be speaker

then what

well what if i told you that

there

potentially could have been other options you could vote for anyone they could have voted for barbara lea if they wanted to i mean barb johnter john boehner served for speaker two thousand and eleven to two thousand and fifteen he got more

you know republicans elected since any year since on nine hundred twenty eight

and he had popular support until the tea party came along and they forced him out he had to retire before he even did another speakership election because he knew

i remember jackson telling me about this example

he was going to lose so why di the snow i i didn't know something like that was the other candidate barbarer lee didn't want to run

barbara anyone could have run

it doesn't matter anyone could have rim

they didn't

why didn't they

i don't know but they didn't there was no one of the person to vote for so

he doesn't even know how it works

can you can fucking volt for anyone

it doesn't matter if they run or not you can vote for anyone

after twelve votes in your scenario yes nancy pelosi know she's going to get elected

no no because

because sam

if you don't think that at a time when seventy five percent of americans wanted nancy pelosi to step down as speaker

she has record low approval rating

that people are not going to coalesce around a movement to get a new speaker

then you're delusional because that is what would have happened

and

even

she is so so deeply unpopular

speak even even if

sam

this was the idea behind force the vote even if it eventually after oneand thireteen fifteen eighteen rounds ended up with nancy pelosi a speaker of the house

they still would have been able to get concessions because of the sien all they would have drawn

by delaying an already unpopular politicians you know

rise to the speakership position

so there was a movement of foot in the country

this is a straw man destiny to beate tactic

no one said there was already a movement in the country

but the question is how do movements like this form

and they form

because of polarization is precisely created by spectacles like this

that's how movements form in the first place putting the

cart before the horse sam cedar

trying to make a very reasonable decision

sounds ridiculous

and yes making a spectacle of it is going to cause rouckets

presumably by democrats

to get a different speaker of the house other than nancy pelosi that's what you're telling me

and the snow i'm saying created would have magically gotten them the ability to get whatever they want like the spectacle

maybe the point is that the spectacle would have generated the movement

you ever thought of that scha

maybe your moth is a little wrong

so you're saying there's a

magical spect there's a there's a movement of foot and then a spectacle would have met no what we're saying is that the spectacle would have probably produced

sad movement in the first place

sam

love simplicity

l most of like

forcing the republicans to foll a filibuster of voting rights act i'm talking about the spectacle of representative jeanette rankin starting a house floor vote on women's suffrage in one nine hundred eighteen

and because of the mass public appeal that was drawn after the introduction of that vote in the house floor debate it started within one year we achieved women's suffrage in this country that's what i'm talking about

i see it would have been like women's suffrage

to

get what

it's the strategy it's not the fact that you have a major it was just the o incidents the was about women getting the right to vote had nothing to do with the success of that hey hey did i or did i just not list john boehner in the tea party as an example i don't only cherry pick my examples i mean i just listed the republican party as a beautiful example of how the strategy could be i remember i remembered jackson

telling me about the woman sufferge thing and here's the context

alydell jackson

we're af

together

in person and i was like

you know it's crazy how these people

think that politics moves at a snail's pace and you have to be patient

when

politics moves at a very rapid pace

in america doesn't move at a snail's pace

and jackson was like you know what you're right has

ill uh the

the woman suffrage ote

that happened in a year

the civil rights act he gave me all these examples and i was like yeah the new deal

and it's like these people are trying to make it seem like

you have to wait five years

sorry you have to wait fifty years for a real change to happen it's just stupid

how the the

there was somebody to run against boehner

it sam the idea is you delay and you potentially find someone to run against nancy pelosi it doesn't matter if the'res s one

that sbody coud frad youy're going to vote under stand how a speakership vote works yeah i understand how the speakership but you you't realize thatt for anyone right

yeah but the realize that there were democrats who voted for other democrats who weren't actively pursuing the speakership

do are you are you telling me that there was another candidate who is that candidate that was going to win

di you understand that they werey could have voted for anyone

democratsv with this she were tojust stand that there were democrats who voted for other democrats

nancy pelosi

gets the speakership

then but she knows she's going to get the speakership

but that's still going to force at because it happened with suffragte with with women's right to vote

so why did some if if you have to have a declared speakership you know campaign cks i did some democrats other wat some recrats i don't w did some democrats vote for other democrats who weren't actively pursuing the speakership

if that's the case

they can

oh ok ok so that's that's super interesting because you were saying that there was

they couldn't employ the strategy because there was no one who was actively pursu the six people would have voted for somebody i don know that there was someone who even voted for i believe tammy duckworth whos not even in the house

hoy did't you win

did she did

ok they could of course they could vote for somebody else oh ok interesting

interesting

because a minute ago

else all the concessions they wanted

you were just saying no one else was pursuing the speakership

oh jesus christ

alright

i mean i don't i don't i don't know what to tell you

mean you want to keep litigating this force the vote a year later it's a failed

ok

that's he justs he got so thrashed it's just fucking insane to look at like

he literally just gave up on this topic and he said okay i want to talk about force to vote again

not a year later sam there again i listed eighteen different times throughout just two thousand and twenty one in which they could have

as you put it

uh

finish you

leverage there this is the part in mortal combat where we have to do like the button

so jackson already won

he won the match right

but this is the part in moral combat we're like you try to get

the button combination so you can get a bay balody

and that's what jackson's doing now is he alreadys defeated is ads b is gone

power on given votes by blocking the passage of them

that's forced the vote in a nutshell

and you're saying that forsed vote was just during the speakership vote

i don't know what to tell you i mean this is honestly like argue i don't know what to tell you you accuse me earlier of being the guy who gets too attached to politicians

you're the one who gets to attach to politicians and refuses

to criticize them where it matters most sure you'll occasionally talk poorly when they make an abhorrent vote

but you will not criticize them on their overall strategy

which is pursuing a you know greasing of the wheels rather than playing hardball politics and leveraging their power

i just don't make the assessment of their power like you do

it's not making an assessment it's looking at how closely these votes passed and knowing that they had enough people to block their passage

well in some instances maybe they didn't want to block their passage i mean i don't know what to tell you you know what's the point of the justice democrats if they are not going to and it's not necessarily about b you know what they're bying and some there more progress point about the justicere do we

they're more they're the most progressive members of congress

is that the bar you want to set them to

that's the bar you want to judge them upon

yeah

i think that's

i mean what about when the squad was not in congress did you actively support nancy pelosi because she was one of the most progressive in congress

i supported bernie sanders

i got the house

i'm talking about the house we're talking about the house i mean i didn't perceive nancy pelosi as the most progressive member i at one point i thought she was the best when when donald trump

came to office i figured she might be the best person

to to be

the in the leadership

while they're in the minority

why

but subsequent to that

i felt like i would rather have someone who was not even progressive be in the leadership of the house i mean and i think to a certain extent if you i know you watched thelhn omar interview you didn't quite fully understand the leadership conversation but i think that she was implying that you don't really

the leadership position should not necessarily be about whether they're progressive or not i think it's really more about the amount of power that you can amass amongst the caucus

so sam six when you talk about when you talk about in thek sof more members of congress

six members of congress

just don't have that kind of power

so when you talk about you have that type of well getting rid of boehner you're talking about if you have that type of power s are secret

who were secret members of this caucus and we just don't have that kind of power yet inll the republican majority at the time was much bigger than what we see today and the squad has multiple multiple opportunities eighteen again that i've listed

in which there wasre must pass bills or near must pass bills in which

the vote was so slim andy must pass bill in your estimation

a must pass bill is something that either must pass to continue with the session of congress such as a

adoption of house rules speakership house vote

were the nearmust pass bills that i was referring to

are things that are a top priority of the biden administration to pass to solidify his legacy

i mean the the must pass bills would be something like a debt ceiling or something to that

to avoiding government shutdowns

yeah

yeah

there's been there's been probably i'd say

six or seven of those

ok now and your argument is that if they inhibited the passage of this bill they'd be able to get stuff each time

that's how politics works in congress this is what republicans and democrats have done for years

this is how it works

within so in other words like when i don't know like lynn cheney for instance

liz cheney sorry

like when she bucks them and they reward her is that it

she gets she gets stuff from the republican party

i think it's a little bit of a difference makeup with liz cheney in the republican party

i'm just worre i'm youre you me you're youre du to your telling us exactly how speaking you're speaking grasly you're speaking vaguely i'm talking about specific votes that they could have blocked

you're speaking about bucking the g o p establishment on maybe a talking point or

i don't maybe impeachment are you referring to i don't know i don't know what you're referring to

yeah impeachment

january sixth commission

well the difference is liz cheney doesn't

in some cases she has been able to whip even democrats to block

you know some of the maga agenda

such as when trump wanted to remove troops from you want to do do a partial removal of troops from germany and afghanistan

she whipped together even one of my own former congresspeople mike levin from california's forty ninth district

to vote in unison with a plurality i guess of republicans on that measure to block trump

and it succeeded but

the difference between liz cheney and the squad is or the justice democrats whatever

is that the justice democrats

have a set ideology

they campaign to form a faction in

essentially leverage their power

to carry out

you know their agenda or to get concessions that

flow in line with their agenda so

my problem is they are not doing this

and

the votes that they are passing are votes that i

you know

entirely disagree with such as those sanctions i mentioned

such as capitoal police funding

the isr iron is iron don't folks youh i know i don't vote is not one of those because that passed by such overwhelming margins you know

and so and you wanted to debate me on this because you want me to have the same agenda that you have

no i want you to hold the squad to what they said they were going to do and what they said they were going to fight for

i am curious

like what is your

what is your preferred method of holding the squad accountable

when they continue to not fight for their agenda by pursuing

the strategy of leveraging their power

if it makes sense

to primary them

i would primary them

but i don't think it's worth the deployment of resources personally

to primary the most progressive members of congress

ok so

at what points do you maybe begin to think

that instead of continuing to operate within the confines of the democratic party and primaring more people and ending up with seeing results this is something else

what we should have had a debate about jackson and i was trying to get to because really

if you think that

the progressive democrats

in congress are the

the vanguard of fascism

if you think that

they are worthless

then you think the entire democratic party is worthless and what you're really coming on to argue

is that we should be supporting a third party

so i love the smugness of these people because the third party is coming

i can't promise you when it's coming but it is coming

and when the third party starts getting big

they're going to start fear mongering about o this third party right

and they're going to really regret saying shit like this that he's like ok then what you want is a third party willn go to a third party

but then when we do the third party and our answer is definitely the yes the chad yes

yes

so what you mean is a third party

yes

when we do that

they're going to

get

barry they're going to start panicking and they're like no i didn't mean like that i mean like

yeah

we are we are

getting that

ok the third party's fascist guys is the

listen

yeah i mean there it is

third party absolutely

yes

let's be

let's be honest guys our home

is the communist party

it's our on

the communist party

is is our home a mess yeah it's a mess

but it's our home

we're communists with the capital c

our home is the communist party

we're trying to clean our home

wein the mess

and they blocked me on twitter

by the way one of the first things we got to do

is get me on block

symbolic

whoever runs that fucking account we got to change hands whoever runs that

buts in one day

there's going to come a time

when joe simms

our differences are going to be put it i'm just this is me dreaming our differences going be put aside

joes sims will still be the leader

of the party

and he's gonna be like

in n p c in a dystopian game

where he gives you the missions

he's going to be like the leader of the resistance

and

it's going to be a war against the

the nato invasion of america to

instead the british monarchy and joe sims is going to be like the mission handler

and he's going to like send the c p usa super soldiers on like secret missions and on missions a

aren't we got a nato convoy coming out from the north of canada

here you go we're going to

and like

that's just my dream i just believe in that

ok

it's going to be like commander sims

we got a convoy coming up

through canada up to the north

going to need you to take

please

y

one of those things you know

one day it'll be like that listen c p s a is our home maybe joe sims will

come to his senses

one day

rosana the britits are coming

now they're trying to put meg and margaret we didn't sign up for that

but we're going to resist

his attempt to destroy our democracy

going to defend our constitution

and seventeen seventy six will commence again

n when i argu cae on to argue

yeah

it's like wolfenstein wolfenstein jo sims you know

that's just my dream i just dream

so i di monter was about that democratic time the only time my finerst nowadays is when w videos about jimmys or and you know that those are the only value the truth is guys

joe sims is our leader are we happy with our leader no we're not

we're not happy with our leader

the national committees our leader i don't know how is it set up

he's technically a co chair but he is the leader

i accept him as leader

and

no he's our leader he is our leader now we're not happy with him as our leader

but it's just that the objective facts he is our leader

i'm not going to lie to you and tell you

bo sims ain't our leader he's our president he's our leader

and

he's more of our leader than joe biden is right and we're american citizens

but if you're a member of the communist party joe sims is the leader you know

a

now do you have to agree with the leader and whatever no you don't

but

but

he is the leader let's just accept that he's our he's our leader

those that get you view i'm sorry make these videos about jimmy dore

at times attacking the squad

and card stuffed in the squad

and then

the only reason why you do this i think is because you want to do a hit piece on ja the worst people in the national committee the worst people in the national committee

is

who is that woman's name glenda what's her name

anita anita is the worst one

yeah an need us the worst

th those dudes those younger dudes are really bad to they're bad to

those younger whatever those younger dud's name is

they're they're also bad

um

and

and i

the worst is terran teran

absolutely the worst

door

anita arin and those young guys

big problem

even though your channel has over a million rivers

your only videos that what about rosanna

i just think she's tired

i don't think she cares that much

what the conflict

that get views are ones about jimmy dore and when you defend the squad and so on and so forth ok seems there go the other want to do in other words you wanted to come on and debate about them olds ho sam olds a majer stairs there's emma vigland

you seem here you sut up

k in my youtube as do the young atturkist that's why i am invested

well i don't get views i mean so i don't know why you s i have a state you get a lot of views i just said though you get a lot of views on the videos in which you go after jimmy dore for criticizing the squad

well we should probably do more jimmy dor videos but but but that aside is that what you want to come on to debate that you don't like the idea that i'm doing jimmy dor videos

sam i don't know how many times i have to say what i came on to debate

you refused to actually hold the squad accountable

and you said maybe at one point

you know i am going to support primarying them but i don't think that's the best you know

way to leverage our power and resources

but i guess i would just pose the question

because you know i don't support primarying the squad i don't support primarying democrats right now

because i think that why because i think that the justice democrats are a failed strategy and they're choosing to play party politics and pass the d n cs agenda

also you just think that we should we should vote for third party candidates

i think that there's other avenues we need to look into but what you want to know what the truth is about like the real problem with strategy and

honestly it's gonna sound very self serving

it's going to sound very self serving

it's media

when ill see

she was a justice democrat right

she

betrayed

the founding mission

why

because the mainstream media started to glamorize her

she got into it

the young turks were too scared to hold her accountable

and it's as simple as that

if the young turks were constantly grilling her in like

wreathing down her neck

she wouldn't have betrayed it so easily

so we need a new media apparatus that's the truth

i mean why do you think we're doing this shit we need a new fuck and media apparatus

to

attach politicians to to be able to hold them accountable

media is the key to a third party

hundred percent

but i think we all need to go what aut those other avenues why i this is the more ut this conversation

sam what i think we all need to come into agreement upon

is that the justice democrats their strategy has failed

and the squad is now towing the line of the dnc

that's something that you still refuse

knowledge or dress

or s even an attempt to hold them accountable on i disagree you've already stated that you consider them more progressive than the godheimers in the mansions of the party

i disagree with you you just said that you will occasionally call them out for some of the bad votes they take

there were some that i mentioned that you did not call them

out over which is ok i don't expect you to follow like every single detail of you know congressional votes

but at the end of the day you are not a third party is not viable it's sooner be more viable to do a justice republicans than a justice democrats

criticizing them for failing upon their overall strategy of forming a faction that can leverage their power in congress

and you are instead giving them some at least tepid support

for greasing the wheels and giving one hundred and sixty thousand dollars to triple c democrats

correct

so that's why i guess you and i just disagree

yeah

oh

ps far

and you support would you support a you se giving more money to the triple c democrats even though she said she wasn't going to do that

if she made an assessment that there was a strategic value for it i would

i heard about those populist republicans in new york city i heard about

i would be ok with it

even if there's more opportunities to leverage their power on must pass or near must pass bills

i don't agree with your promise that what don't you agree about it because do you agree that they don't add the number of votes again over and over again i don't tell you you haven't outlined is effective

you don't to or you don't think that they have enough votes or what

i just don't think it's gonna go down the way you think it's gonna go down jackson

what do you mean by that

i don't think your idea of how congress works is how congress works

it is how it's worked in the past i mean this is i know suffragette yes i understand i know i wasn't going to bring out i was going to bring boehner up

but the idea is that if they maybe this is not happened before congress maybe hey sam maybe this is never happened before in congress don't you think that they should at least try to

because this was n junior high

i don'tvern very very weird i cant tell you exact

so this is very weird

yeah this is it is weird

the fuck you' talking about

no

now listen here young whipper snapper

you better sit down and listen to me

is i am

set thef of you i ca tell you i don't want to

what do you know your i'm talking about ab er subject was not there was not anging sject more members of congress who eliminated john boehner you okanging subjects no no you brought up john beyhner you brought up john beyhner and i you w this weird analogy about my middle sport it's not an analogy talking about it is not an analogy is

ok so you still have not outlined i was saying you have not very carefully what happened to john boehner and in none of it went down the way you say it did ok

first of all that's incorrect but second of all you did not acknowledge what i initially questioned to you

which was what

i mean maybe if you'd listen you'd heard me what i said that

the squad could have

blocked the passage of these bills you have not contested that they didn't have enough votes to blockor delted against it yes

n

block or delay ok so you're saying the they could have voted against it they could have blocked or delayed it yes

so why do you think that that would have failed even if it's never happened but they could have they could have voted against it and were the guy named bookso for one nine

got a chill rob

that are really to

in if they had enough votes to kill the bill they could have killed the bill

or they could have delayed it and renegotiated you mean tocae talking shit

what' a fuck you talking about

don't hope

oh

m

he

fok here

oh yeah

h

ho

a great debate

yeah i can't do it

ok let's just press play ok

all right my thoughts

has a smart guy based on china

a base tanky

i

what's his flaw

houses floor is

he lets weves get to him sometimes

and

that's a controlled thing and i would i've been there

and dylan's flaw is

or i could so destroy dylan if i wanted to

but let's start

dylan's flaw is

i would say

he makes you the enemy in his head

before the dialogue starts

and

it's kind of weird because haz who always talks about enemies and stuff

he always gives them a chance

to see if there's middle ground

which if you think about it

there's a bigger heart with haz

than doaling

but dylan is like this whole progressive guy and blah blah blah blah

but i

it's very weird becuse i always said

what's the anti work drama what is that

is i fight fire with fire and has actually fights fire with like

true

and

cran shit like that

but the folt

no

late they could have to wrap this up so i can talk to daniel

have told nancy pelosi that anti work right at mad when on fox news so

we're not going to vote for this inlet

oh i have to cover that tomorrow

less you give us we don't have time today

bstantive concessions they could have gone out on cn n in

m s n b c on mety hassan show and say

i'm not prepared to vote for this bill until we get these concessions that we're going to talk to daniel today we already schedule

we have lestking

that

don't you skip out on

think that that is an effective strategy and don't you think that's also the strategy that i t ssitly ran on

i think i think that could work on on occasion but i think that nancy pelosi ok the most part is beloved by democratic voters for better for worse i would have in cra she's got a very very low approval rating but

it got with democratic primary voter wo shot the fok up

emma

you are not in the debate

it is so fucking annoying

' put it up and sad sayl so you just you just scknowledgeck for you jackson i just said she had a low ap proval rating did you not what your whatever sat primary voters goking literally shot the fok up

literally shot the fok up

you had to know his country

but i sd you just said i don't want to let you off on this i don't want to let you off on that you just said

bradley we looked that up and put it up look it up i could not you know i don't care

so you just said that on occasion you could see how leveraging their power

by either withholding their votes for a given policy could work

so why are you not criticizing the squad when they choose not to do this

i don't think that they should do it randomly

i don't know i didn't say randomly i just said they could do it

and you just said that and there is a the there was a three point five

trillion dollar bill

that was passed in the house

that included some of the key priorities

that these lawmakers wanted

and you're suggesting they're not and they got no credit for

leveraging their vote because

no they didn't cause they got no fucking credit for it shot the fuck up

because

he didn't sen it

no i'm saying because they are voting for bills that did pass in the house and in the senate and were signed into law

and they are not withholding their support for those bills like capitol police funding

like state department funding the speakers i is the value of them voting against capitol police funding relatives said it getting you just said it re k for p jt said it you just said o you just said the

sam you just said that the value in it this is your words that the value in it is that yes

i could see that sometimes working

you said that

brattter

ps

jack how many times you want to change the subject before me you you he the ble to get stuff that they want and they got it in the bill said that they could do that though

i yes i agree that there is a such a thing as leverage i ed di i'm suggesting they've done it i'm suggesting to you that they haven't done it because they haven't only held their votes

you're saying that the buildback better agenda din't withhold their votes i agenda want in their agenda

how do you know they didn't withhold you go it's not their agenda it's biden's agenda holy fuck it's that simple

their votes and nancy plose he didn't go to i and say oh you won and that's why they're not going harder at him like you suggested up top

i don't think that they're doing that because if they were done what if they were going to be withholding their support

they would do what corey bush and jamal bowman did before the speakership vote do you remember what they did they went out on a

a

was it dana bash's show or something like that they went out on some corporate news show

and they said that we are not going to guarantee a vote for nancy pelos why do you put an accent on there because shot the fk p literally shut the fok

an i'm putting every time jackson paraphrases anyone whenever he i know him in person he uses that same voice it's not an accent he's just

use e eas

it sounds different because he's

trying to sound

like not himself

so he can just sound like someone else

he's changing the pitch so we can sound like another person to quote them

he's not it's not an accident

specifically for that person

just trying to be like

i'm not the one saying as they're saying this

buck and simple

an accent on there

what the hell is this

we are not we are not going to be voting

for

nancy plosi guaranteed

unless we get substantive things in return

and they listed two things i think i think they listed

reparations and they listed

they listed one other policy

at the end of the day they did not coalesce and try to make these things happen

but that is what you need to do if you have big ass or you have you know concessions that you want

you need to be willing to make

a public

cry

take the people or toward you in your efforts

you also acknowledge that you see has some of the most power in congress she's got the most fundraising

she's got the most instagram twitter followers you follwus ok so she should use that to her leverage when she makes these public cries for support

when she is going to be withholding her her support for these bills

okay

what do you mean ok what is this ok you have one of the largest news shows on youarth

ok so now we're getting into the bay ballady so jackson's mashing his button combination right now he's just been defeated

and

by the way this is the destiny ok i mean so now can you see why i say when destiny says ok he's just admitting he lost to me

because sam cedar did the same thing when he lost

you tube for left is politics

and you refuse to criticize them you just say ok you say i don't care what is this

do not have any values that you stand upon

no

by allogies

we

i don't

b balletin

hold that on

you

we have to

you are notver

soh come the wheels

the ballot

jackson w

very ballot

we don't

let's be done

ah

seventy five percent

democrats support nancy pelosi

that'll have a lot of value in it

absolutely obliterated

absolutely fuck and obliterate

yeah i'm going to grab my phone charger

ont me tell him

ok i'm going to get in v c grabbing my phone charges so i can charge my phone

on and we're going to have on

daniel burke

y

let me get my phone charger

yeah i mean

that

made speaks for itself

but

this is a new chapter guys sam cedar was just fucking

the new chapter

there's still more

in the primary i'm not i'm not terribly happy about that

maybe can hear more about the people's part in but to be fair that was

two days ago so that could have nothing more ok

changed

i don't care what they said when jackson left i don't care about their copium i only care about the debate

and they got he got fucked up in the debate ok

it's just

here's

it's as simple as that

hey so i'm going to be here

and let me bring him ou

on schorgan

jackson's not still there

youd on

he is he

oh my god guys

sell out something right i mean

a

seventy five percent democrats support nancy pelosi

i'll have a lot of value in the primary i'm not i'm not terribly happy about that

maybe can hear more about the people's part in but to be fair that was

two days ago so that could have changed

that's pretty much straight maybe once they hear about force the vote it'll dip

but i mean i think to a certain extent like there is i say that she has to get in this democratic party

the i say that

i don't know whating wordses i stopped listening to you some time ago to be honest with you

but i appreciate be sam last words here last words yar

should you be listening to the people who used to be your viewers and used to be your fans like me

should be something that you do in the future

thank you for having me on the show i appreciate the conversation

you're stillxon

not only you still a viewer but you actually show it to the the people who watch your show

the fuck is your point you have a million subscribers

so i th i'm not a fan of you anymore though that's the dodance

then

ah jesus i'm sorry about that his heart's broken that's just for

that's the most fake vicious laugh i've ever heard in my life

what the week thank you though i appreciate you coming on jackson i'm sorry

i you guys acuntable he never responded to the fascism thing

because there was a fucking relevant because the fastm thing can only be made sense of if we agree that they've sold out

jesus fuck and christ

alright sorry daniel i had to finish that

ye

oh

okay

ll right let's

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hello daniel first i want to say i apologize for most point sorry there's an echo

i can't hear you through the discord

how's that

let me try to fix that that's really weird

but oh there we go

okay now try it sorry now i can hear you better

hello

yeah there we go

alright um

uh alright

so

um let me actually pop this out

we can get this here

on on video

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yeah i just want to start this off by apologizing for postponing this for so long

i

but

i did manage to finally decide that

the right time now

specifically is just you know i'm

i'm i'm kind of

guy embroiled in a lot of drama

you all

so i'm constantly dealing with people that i'm just totally hostile to

and i'm constantly dealing with like having to you know

the world it stream and all its lie

i am very glad to have you on

very glad to finally be able to talk

you want to introduce yourself to the audience ye

sure

m thank you for having me out

and

no apology necessary

i'm just glad to

you know i'm glad to be able to talk to you

i mean i'm coming i'm coming to you i'm a coming to you viewers

with a

request

which is i think urgent

which is to

uh

sincerely thoroughly endorse the larouche policy to

prevent

a nuclear world war three

and to develop the world

so that's why i'm here that's why that's why i'm talking a

other people too

like like my friend caleb

and you know i've been working with the larouche movement for ten years

and when i started working with la rouche

he was

saying when the assassination of gadhafi happened

that this was actually intended to target russia

and that this was a move for world war three

and i thought he was insane

you know and then i

i need it up

quitting my job and working with his organization

and now here we are

and it's pretty apparent that that's

what the whole thing was that he was right all along

and that his policy solution which is

the world land bridge

is the way to go

so that's why i'm here

yeah i m

i personally one hundred percent agree with the

the the land bridge

moso

and i'm also interested in larouch's views about the difference between the british

so called free market las a fair system versus the american system

h is based on

developmental investment banks

no

one of the things that

we so first of all i'm interested in your views on this

what are your views on

the current state of american politics and political parties because i don't think the larouche movement is a its own party it's more like a interest

right

pack yeah we we're i mean

we were a philosophical association

we're trying to create a renaissance

were trying to communicate certain scientific discoveries that lynda larouche made

between

nineteenred forty eight ninethunenred fifty two

which made him the world's most accurate economic forecaster

of the whole twentieth century and still today

and

the basic thing that we're saying about

this

political situation today is if you want to intervene

effectively

you got to look from the top down

and that's what you know electoral politics prevents you from doing in large part

so the top down question

inside today you know tony blinkin

announced that he gave

written response is back to the russians

about the two proposals

what about the one of the proposed

treaties and nato did the same thing at the same time

and

right after delivering this he announced

out loud that they're not at all going to go along with one of the required

stipulations which is an agreement to prevent nato from extending

into ukraine

and then today you had like

twenty seven russian diplomats were expelled from

the russian embassy in washington d c

so

a and everyone knows probably he was listening

about the

the proposal to move troops into ukraine

american troops

i think fifty thousand is the number

so basically

you know the russians have made extremely clear mitri poliaski was on our shiller institute broadcast

of last saturday

and he's the first deputy permanent representative

of russia to the uun they made clear that there on

the brink

they're at the very edge

and that therefore

i mean putin said you're at our doorstep we can't do anything anymore

and that therefore they need security agreements

otherwise there will be military technical responses

which could include

the emplacement of weapons in

belarus it could include nuclear weapons

a nuclear bombs being placed on

on you know submarines off the coast of off the east coast of the united states

and other things as well

so

if you're going to get out of this then you need a flight

because the british empire which was trying to push this whole thing to world war three

because of the collapsing

neo liberal economic system

they are

in a weak position

because of the fact that the chinese are executing larouche's policy

they building the belt and road initiative

they have they have a physical economic capability which is the same kind of thing that the united states did

under lincoln during the civil war

using the policies of henry carey like

you're referring to the american system of economics

and

right now helgela rouche as head of the schiller institute is saying

you gota get

the four big countries to work together on what she calls operation e been sena that if you want to flank on this

condition of geopolitical warfare

where there seems to be no solution no possibility of working together

then you need to identify the thing

that is out of the blue but totally necessary

and that's

to rescue afghanistan

and not just to stop the mass genocide of the afghans because there's about

twenty two million people on the verge of starvation nine million people are

very close to death from starvation in afghanistan

as a result of us

freezing the

afghan central bank funds

and we've been working with

former u s surgeon general

jocelyn elders david sacher as well former u s surgeon general general and an adviser to the

afghan central bank to say

it's time for us russia china india to work together to develop

an advanced medical system in afghanistan

advanced infrastructure

and basically expand the belt and road into afghanistan

and so this is called operation ibencina

which is a reference to the great

a philosopher and hero of afghanistan from

the islamic renaissance of about a thousand a d

because we want to revive a commitment

to that kind of

focus on the sacred quality of human life

and then if you could force the uus

and the british

basically to give in to this kind of policy of development of afghanistan

then you might be able to get nations to work together

mm

that's

you see

afghanistan is the

is a very central

place in geob

so i understand hohw it is such a

important part of any plan to

unite the four major powers

but

specifically concerning

the united states right now

i am interested in third parties

i'm interested in starting a third party and that's not just

the communist party

which i think would

i see the third party as a popular for

right which would be composed of many

different

a diverse ideological

re

m

i don't think that the the two party system is any longer viable

reali

any kind of change in this country

one of the problems we run into when it comes to third parties

is the question of what are some platforms

we could run on

that are of immediate

pressing significance that have a right here and now

significant what do you think are the main issues that could appeal to ordinary americans

to run out

yeah

okay so

my very good friend diane saah is running for u s senate in new york

against tuck schumer

that's on the democratic ticket

no independent youre right is to run as democrats

but

i ran as an independent when i ran for u s senate in new jersey

but what she's doing is she's actually going to the houses of the people who drowned in ida

because you remember in the queens you had people who drowned in their basements

during hurricaneda

because and then you know and then people are talking about climate change being the cause of

of increased deaths

ah

when people are dying because

the the public housing in new york city is of such an abysmal quality and you know about the

the fire is in the bronx for example recently

so

what we we're addressing that

which is the the least the conditions of the least among us right the forgotten man you have to fight on that basis

but do it from the standpoint of forecasting

because larouche said what you said in the sense that he said ten years ago

the political parties are completely done

that were pasted fro the are of political parties

either that or were screwed for good

but

his forecast is coming true about the financial economic crisis

and i think that that's what you have to communicate to everyone you're talking to is that

there's a crash

that is ongoing

that in hyperinflation that has been engineered by the central bankers they set this up

back in august of twenty nineteen

at the jackson holl summit and what they did is they got together and they said

we should have a financial regime change

black rock put out a white paper

that was the

very clear about this what they're saying is that they want

to not only have control over monetary policy but also have control over the budgets of nations there should be no longer any economic sovereignty among nations

and the excuse that they give is net zero

yes

right and that has yet le led to what we've seen over the past couple of years which is enormous money printing beyond we've you know beyond anything before

we have a famine that is

in killing huge numbers of people not just in afghanistan because of the breakdown of the economy

that's being

affected by the collapse of the system

and it's up to us to do things that'll actually do something about that

like glass steagall

like national banking on the hamiltonian policy which is what the chinese are doing

and then building up the public infrastructure that's actually goninga make the difference

we have the

we have a new pamphlet we put out

which people can see on the larouchie organization website

the coming u s economic miracle on the new silk road

and what we're putting forward is i think something that you know

every one who is looking at the world

and looking at the collapse of the us can support

and fight for

which is how to actually build up

the development corridors across the united states

that would bring the united states economy to the same level of physical economic development that you have in china

so that's you know that's the kind of

that's a program

that's what i see

so um

one of the other crises we're witnessing here is the question of like

you know it's a kind of talking point i don't know if

what your views on it a i don't have any committed views

thean

this talk of automation displacing jobs jobs being outsourced

overseas

isn't there an elements here of

the need to restore u s manufacturing and these traditional types of physical jobs

that were outsourced and

if

these jobs are not

i

if there is a problem of

th

traditional job

you think that

lo

reducing the work day and

universal and what are your views on this like

a so called fourth industrial revolution

angel

universal income and is that necessarily

tided to the carl swab

gender

you will own nothing and be happy

great recent

i think i think that it is

you know i mean

the assertion that increasing levels of technology are going to reduce numbers of jobs

is simply not true

the issue is what are you using that for what are you trying to commit yourself to

and rouche he's if you read his economics i can really recommend we're going to do a class series soon on his entire economic system

his his discoveries but

his point is that you have to lift up

the energy flux density

of your economy you have to lift up

the capability to support more and more people at a higher and higher standard of living

in the same territory

and if you're going to do that

then

automating you know you're

abysmal

twod

food factories or whatever bullshit

people think you know manufacturing is in the united states today i mean there's only like eleven million manufacturing jobs in the u s today

it's collapsed massively since nafta was put in

and of course since the nineteen sixties it's ridiculous

so

if we want to bring people in

to a mission for humanity

and a mission for the nation i say you put em to work building

you know thirty thousand miles of high speed rail

and you build a nuclear power plant

i understand i understand this infrastructure is like

clearly a very central piece

the primary central piece of any economic plan for economic renewal

but

my only question

and it is just a question is i

infrastructure facilitates specifically the flow of goods and people

my question is

the flow of

what goods

and

people for what purpose right like

at what

at what point

doesn't it

economies for example i can be speaking from ignorance but

the standard of living comes from the fact that people perform

are doing

they're having well paying jobs they're doing jobs that pay well

that make goods make commodities that are sold on the market

right and then

infrastructure facilitates the

flow of these goods and the flow of people

also the flow if you look at it purely in economic terms

infrastructure merely facilitates the flow of people to

purchase

goods and services

right

so i think the question is it's an open question about like

the importance of the side of the things that are being facilitated by

not just infrastructure itself

that makes sense

yeah i know what you mean i mean

i'll take it take it from the roof is approach

the

the purpose of economic growth

larouche says is not economic growth that's not really the point

the point is that you want the creative individuals

in your society

two

mature and a higher and higher creative

potential

in other words you want to give an increasing margin of your population ability to live

and in such a way that they can contribute to humanity

by making a unique discovery for example

or by communicating the unique discoveries that have been made and allowing them to be adopted by a society

and that

is the mission of economics economics is just

making that happen

so has nothing to do with money people think that money is economics has nothing to do with it

it has that the commitment that we're fighting for

is to figure out

what causes these successive leaps in capability

of an economy like for example if you go back to

the beginning of the united states

we were working completely off of

of um

wood right we're burning wood

in order to run our economy

and we had something like

m

three thousand wats per capita

people were using

on in a fire based economy

it's thirty times greater than if you didn't have fire

right

if

by the time you get to thee nineteen twenty s it's five thousand watts we're using coal

ninetheen seventy it's ten thousand once

we're using oil natural gas and limited amounts of nuclear power

so

today we should be at like forty thousand watts per person if we had nuclear power if we had if we have that across the world we have this new and we are s

of that capability list us to pursue it but today in the world foreign policy averages something like

twenty four hundred watts per capita it's the same as it was

in the us at the founding two hundred years ago more than two hundred years ago

this is economics from a lewisi standpoint its

yh i agree with you but

my question is more about

the question of job

like

there has always been

standard forms of labor as much as

the go i agree one hundred percent with you that

i

as a humanist as a marxist evehn marx talks about how

the goal is to unleash man's creative powers to pursue the aesthetic and scientific

the latent

forms of creative

aesthetic and scientific

work that they're capable of right

on their free time basis

but nonetheless there has

persisted

and maybe if it will be a race in the future

today there is still

the question of standardized forms of work

work that is not necessarily creative

which is like a standard form of wage labor bas

bor

it's not ways laboors

some form of standardized labor

general right

and my question is u

what future do you see for that because in the united states the standard form of labor has been

you know like

in industry right manu fact jobs that have been outsourced

so

what what is the future for the types of job or is maybe your argument basically that

when we set the foundation for energy and

revolution

b

lead to an economic or renewal

the necessary basis we don't have to worry about the types of jobs

forms of employment people have because

um

new forms of business and

and

and the

economic activity will flourish

because of that

but that still leaves open the question of

what will the standard form of labor be

what is the standard form of labor

thank

i guess the way that i can answer that if you imagine that

what it use i think to put it in context you think about

what would a man say to his grandson

when he brings him to the hoover dam and he says we built this for you

you know and people worked

and

the construction of this great infrastructure capability in the new deal

because they had a mission to make the better a better condition for the generations to come after

so

anything that someone is doing that is connected to that kind of mission

has it as a dignity

if you're a janitor

at nassa

if you're running the you know the the maintenance of the facility it at nassa's in terms of cleaning it and so forth then you have

a purpose

wheres

if you're that if you're mopping up the brothel

then you're doing something that is completely removed from the real economy and the mission

i know i agree with

do you think

no i mean your point is is well taken i completely agree even if you're a janitor

yes i am

as a matter of fact i've

have writings and and

research of my own where

yes i do agree like there is this

unique significance of infrastructure as like

as being able to fulfill this le

need for a dignified form of labor

for the population

i

the drudge in toil of the nine to five completely meaningless bullshit jobs

the service s

i

on

yup

but i still wonder if

well let me ask you this

would you consider

it with the level of technology we now have

would you consider manufacturing

itself to be a form of infrastructure now

individually labor intensive

and repetitive work

that's not like

part of the

construction of a project

necessarily but

production of mass commodities

so larouche says in that lebnitz is the first

inaugurates the science of physical economy

and if you look at his first writing on it which is just a few pages long he talks about the dynamic in the factory that you want

and the dynamic you want is that people have a creative relationship to one another

they're solving problems

they're figuring out you know how to become morese more

knowledgeable about the principles behind the process that they're working through

and we don't have anything like that because we live in a saytanic neo liberal economy

it makes no sense

you know nothing that you do makes any sense in the united states any more everything is completely upside down the people who make the most money are the biggest swindlers and the cheaterhs and

in an an

you know every

physical part of our economy is controlled by cartels

like the food cartels so that's the sort of

determining cultural characteristics of our system

and it's got to be shifted

you know you've got to create the scenario

where people have a human relationship to one another even within whatever condition they are like manufacturing

you know whatever kind of job i mean especially you might say

in that kind of situation

right not not to pushback it's kind of like a

bad tendency i have because

to be very clear i find this extremely admirable

is it

rouche movement has

specifically like that

mm

participation in the in

good

heah

the projects of

human infrastructure and

guess you what marxist lingo developing the forces of production

that this is can be the source of a new found sense of human heroism

human creativity

dignity

i mean there's a movie that china released the wandering earth

which are kind of reminds me of that right it's like

life's prime onane

becomes

participating in this kind of engine

human growth

innovive

it's a very inspiring and compelling vision

but

my pushback comes from this kind of

devil's advocate i guess i don't know what i would call it but

internet serialst with me within me says

to me i see this is very lofty

heavenly

and that's why i admire it is

good right it's lofty it's heavenly it's it's

puts our gaze toward the stars

ight

yeah

but i still think there is objectively just

there there is a reality of just

toil and trudge

of just standardized

work

that

does not necessarily directly contribute

to on

any type of noble cause or even any creative pursuits

but just like

just necessary standardized labor like i think that's why manufacturing is an example that it's like

in manufacturing for example

the only time there is room for creativity

is

if you change the very process of manufacturing itself

but

between that there is still the kind of the

sure

like i let me put it in marxist lingo right in marxist lingo in dialectics there's a transformation from quantity to quality

right

and it seems to me that your vision focuses

only on qualitative transformation

that's the creative process

eight

but what about the

process

bit

between these of just pure quantitative

i

grudge and toile is just like yeah we need this much

units of whatever and there's not a lot of room for creative input or

kind of do it mechanically and

you get what i'm saying you know like in an this would be like

the peasant who has to toil the fields and

look there's not a lot of creativity you grow the potato and you grow the

not you know

maybe there can be innovation in how potatoes are grown but until then

you have to do the work of

what you already know

that makes sense

i i think it does but um

what i think what you're talking about

is

actually the need to fundamentally change the culture

to have a renaissance

in the most beautiful ideas about the human individual

you know labrouche's view of history

is identical with schiller for example

which is that

all of human history has been a fight between

all a garchism

and republicanism

or zeus versus prometheus

because

you know there are any time someone wants to halt

technological scientific growth

it is for their own benefit it is because they want it

destroy the population they want to kill people off that's what the great reset is

it's a depopulation policy

and it's being done right now

it's killing large numbers of people forty seven million people now are in a stage of famine

what we're looking towards

is to create a society

a planetary culture is a phrase he uses in his book earths next fifty years

in which you have a dialogue of civilizations

and we see that which is in the image of the creator in every other human being on the planet

and you have that as a policy of governments

that's what we're saying needs to be done which is not pie in the sky because that's where nation states come from

is people who have that idea and said we need something based on the general welfare so

i hear what you're saying

there seems to be some kind of maybe this is too much

but i know that every human being has an immortal soul

and so i know that the lofty you know the highest the heavenly is exactly what they deserve

i completely agree

i

make make no mistake i would never

i don't believe

there are some human beings that are condemned to do

competitive mechanical work

i just wondered to what extent

all of us are

to some extent condemned to do forms of work

there are lives that

are not necessarily

inspiring

it

if that makes sense like just

not necessarily that it's a

degrading but just that it's just

work you do out of necessity

but i think it's kind of a convoluted

philosophical

right

well i have an answer to that i'm going to try my best ok

i think that the

i believe that necessity and

freedom coincide

yes in a moomment

and that

that the crucial contribution of larouche to the idea of the science of economics

is that he says this is the pathway

to understand what's the necessary next

scientific breakthrough the next necessary

philosophical discovery

and he points to

this measure of increases in relative potential population density that's a shadow

of whether you're making sufficient creative progress negan tropic progress in your economy

and if you are doing that

then you can understand what needs to come next

so you can constantly make

a progress

towards a goal that is

you know that will never reach we're never going to get to perfection but we can always become

more perfectable

ok and that seems to me

to be the way it that we should

you know reflect on our own nation and the purpose of it

you know brink i guess what i'm saying is keep bringing out the idea of the purpose

keep bringing out the idea of how people can be lifted out of their senses

and into a higher purpose

mm

i agree with that

not to completely ship years well it's kind of what i

that will

lrouche specifically

was the first person who introduced me to the fact

a

that the british never left

always ben trying to

sabotage the republic

to put this in terms that are let more concrete to people

what you think are examples of financial institutions and

networks and organizations

that

represent the cat that are like the basis of the british kind of

control over our

political and economics system

o so the first one is the nine hundred seventy one

breakdown of the brige of the britain wood system

that basically from

in from nineteen forty four to nineteen seventy one you had a fixed exchange rate system

that was based on the gold reserve standard and nations could make long term agreements about how to collaborate

and you could say well i'm going to make a loan to you mexico

in dollars and we know how many paces you're going to pay to make it back to pay it back five years down the road

and we're going to use that loan to build

you know railroads in mexico and you can't do that

under a system of a fixed excuse me of a floating exchange rate

in which you have people like george soros

who is dressed

he's just one of the crowd right but he's one of the errand boys

for this system

that attacks the currency of a nation like mexico causes it to collapse by did that to to

indonesia right

he did it in indonesia he also did it to italy

in fact it was it was reported that he was part of a

group on queen elizabeth the second's yacht who planned out how they were going to do that to italy

as part of bringing about the european monetary union

and this whole

strategy has been to use money

to control people so people know about the i m f

they know about

you know the world bank

in these

organizations which should be emitting long term credit

for increasing the

you know the capability of these of these nations to serve their populations

instead they use

banker is arithmetic

to cause you to be completely indebted that's the debt trap right

and larouche said in nineteen seventy one if this is allowed you can have fascism you can have world war three and you can have mass population

problems including pandemics

so that's what i would point to people should beple should learn about the liberal system of economics

um

so

when it comes to the

when it comes to the

the question of the british continued influence in the u s we know about the intelligence sir

agencies and

i have made the prediction

i don't know how this has been received by you guys re

heard about it of

they're going to try to

field meghan markel

nw political

two

um what do you think about that do you think that

it would ever get to a point that is just

very overtly they want to combine

sixty nineteen project and

a political crisis facing the united states that's shaking the foundation

public itself

their solution to resolve this is going to be some kind of

royal family

using

ah well it looks like what you said is coming true right i mean every

every indication is that they're being pushed that way and you can't go to c p s without having the queen's face looking at you

so that's a big part of it

i think i

my impression is that there is

um

i really don't know what to do in the united states other than

you know

talk to you

and the people like you because

there are

there are people

that we're reaching in the

retired intelligence professionals you know like ray mcgovern does stuff with us we're doing stuff with

ah with like i said retired public health officials there are people who are willing to

step forward right now against this

collapse of the society but

the political situation is insane and so the british monarchy is going to do whatever they want that's what they did to to

that's what they did to

you know bred to riight

when they were the ones prince charles is the one who is financing that

that person

so what is it that we're going to have to

a dress i think people have to

understand this and shut it down

i think you know the fact that prince andrew is in the kind of heat that he's in

is it not some it's an effect of the collapse of the

british imperial system

it is falling apart

there's no reason that anyone should give any credence to the financial predictions to the you know to the military policy of these people

um

but we'll have to step into the

phase right now where things are shifting

and we have to put forward a policy that would function

that's my view because you know i look at it

i think that there's an increasing minority of young people who are inspired by the people in china

by you know the transformation of china

and

if we can fight back against this

then

i mean what else are we going to do it's the only way that we can possibly turn society around is to get people to think about

the world from this standpoint

that we're not going to put up with the british monarchy's step population policy anymore and that we're going to work with russia we're going to work with china we're going to work with other major nations and we're going to lift people out of poverty it's the only thing that can work

um

what do you think about coming on

a little regularly on the showlin

you know maybe once a week or

that

can't i don't know i can't

right now make any guarantees but you know i really enjoy your perspective and i like the message you guys bring

and i don't probably don't agree with you guys on everything but

mm

i think it's like a good personally what i like about the larouche movement is a

the coherence of your vision

that

you just seem to like

be correct on pretty much almost every like real thing that happens in the world

which you know i'm not the

myself part of the us i'm a marxist leninist but

as a as someone who considers themselves a real marxislam as i just

i find myself having the most common groundwi

guy

i'd so

i think

i do think it would be not good for us to work together and share our perspective

change dialogue

and the

you know and work together about

this is probably important doesn't really sound necessarily like m

you have a specific political plan

how to

how to win the cotry

things like that so

it would be very

good for us all to work together you

the ruch people

a lobs movement center for political innovation

and and others and

to figure out how we can come together

and and and just

figure something out whether that's a third party or whether that's that's something else i think if we combine our forces

a

we could

write back in the way that you're talking

i'm really really glad to hear you say that

i think the same way

i've been

i've been approaching the idea i mean i've been working on the idea of building an anti mel thusan alliance

and i

oh really

that's exactly what i said to to caleb i said we got to talk regularly

' let's organize ourselves a little bit better

and um

if we educate the people who are coming to your stream

and who are getting you know talking to caleb and talking to many other people

then you'll have an increasing margin of people in the country who are actually young

and can do something about it

and i think that that could be the shift

i think that that could be the spark of optimism it's not going to come from anyone older than twenty five

you know i mean i'm going to i'm going to try to shepherd a little bit if i can help out or midwife

but

um

it's not going to come from anyone other than

than actual youth in the united states and i have something for you heres

i don't know how im

now that it's two am here but i'm totally wired so i can stay on as long as you want

unfortunately i don't mean to cut it short but umb

i do have to go pretty soon

ok that's a good opportunity for me to say what i'm going to say i'm go to mail you this

ok this is the first

volume of the lyndon la rouche collected works

ok we just released this we're going to send another one out

we're goinga publish another one

in this year

and i would like to give you a subscription to

for free to executive intelligence review

and to our daily

intelligence briefing

so

that will come

to you you can just give me your e mail and i'll send it to you thank you

and then i would really love to talk continue talking i mean yeah

um u ya

going we should talk more you know and also wen there's news and

you want to share your perspective on it

global events and things like this

im

i

yeah i think we should be building more bridges and more connections

things like that you know because

the thing is that our enemies

you know

you mainstream media and the democratic party and then bred tube and they have a they have a network they just

you know they have disagreements amongst each other but they have this united front where they all

work to so we need to be doing the same thing you know we need to

have a network of resistance and

and opposition

yeah i do

i mean

the thing is that

we shouldn't be

uh pessimistic at all

we've got shisan ping with us

and we've got vladimir putin

and we've got a many other people across the world and

you know

i'll see further is it

people on people in the rest of the world especially russia have a very high regard for mr larouche

who was thrown in prison

you know completely unjustly

and they tried to destroy his movement by doing that and we're still here

and if these policies and these ideas are discussed and more and more people are willing to discuss them openly

today then i think that

people in other countries will get the message that maybe the united states has a

future because otherwise they look at us and they look think we're fucking insane and that we're about to blow up the world which is what we're going to do

so if if more of this can come forward

then i think we can change things and i invite you to

you know we're going to have an conference with

the joint conference with the russian international affairs council

sometime either this saturday or next saturday and

i definitely want to invite ill let you know the information you can hear about it and you're welcome to get on and pose a question to the russians

from your standpoint

because that's the kind of thing that we should be doing is

you know bringing you in as well

i i would appreciate that a lot thank you so yeah and i i i um

i'd have to check for this saturday i think next saturday

probably more guaranteed but i also might mayb be available this saturday

i

but that sounds

amazing yeah

i appreciate

yeah it's it's a great

i' was going to have you on and you know

i

have read some of the larouche's work

and even where i

may disagree with him you know

there's no question about the fact

he was a

deeply brilliant

very very knowledgeable person

i really appreciate his world historical

vision that

just encompasses all of world history

is able to make sense and make connections

so many different things right

it are recognized

h

mister larouch's

discoveries that he makes right

through history

you research it independently your ees

wait a second these are real connections he's mading

is

there is something going on with the

venisian bank

so

ah

to be completely honest with you

before a few years ago

i was always under the impression that larouche was a cult and these people are crazy

the rouch was a crazy guy who believes in crazy things

and then a friend of mine

b

recommended me

yeah

um

recommended me

some of the roochs works and i actually sat down and read what he was saying

myself

and

one of the most inspiring things i think i first derived from la rouche which kind of blew my mind a little bit because

i had a prior different conception was

what he wrote about the u s civil war and he basically was saying

you know to me the way i always used to think of it is that the union army

mechanical industrialized

and materialistic in a bad sense of the word and then

the confederates the cononsation like the cononsation that's not that i believe would like the stereotype

confederates

are more like spiritual and more like a

you know

how do you put it

they're more like

they have just more

roots and tradition and

and with the roose roads and

i found it actually i

inspiring like yeah they're more religious

which was that

the opposite was true the union army

yes represents plato

in the mel you

and the confederates represent

the kind of materialistic in a bad sense aristoty would just

and the he wrote about how the confederate leaders

where the most debauched and degenerate

n they would get in drunken orgies and

know they had no morals no and it's almost like the union army was

despite

being

the force of industrial modernity

a force of morality

right

and that's a connection

that i never really fully made before i was associated industrial madernity

with the kind of like say tanic

ah

and

bad materialism

eh and that the old kind of rule is more like spiritual but

la rouche

open my perspective to these

beautiful idea and i'm kind of an artist first and foremost that's why i'

puting it in those terms

of the union army was

who represents industrial modernity is like this kind of platonic

horse of morality

i

so

i really appreciated that

that way of opening my eyes to

is

i know what you mean i mean um

when you begin to approach history from larouche's standpoint

which is possible from the standpoint of physical economics

and you recognize that there is this

um

there is this inherent

fight

you know like

he says that zus some promethes is not really a myth or in other wor was that the myth is reality

that

you had ancient civilizations that were on the coast

and they were seafaring and they were much more advanced than peoples who were in

inland

and when those

civilizations came in contact with the inland civilizations

they had a choice

which is that

they could

enslave them

and rape their you know rape the rape them and and kill them

or and loot them

or

they could say this is also human

this is a human being and we will give them

the fruit of our science ur knowledge or culture

and we will you know uplift them

and that

you can see that

so clearly between chees and pin

and you know the davos crown or

or anything like that he gave a speech

at savs just a few days ago

where he just

put them up against the wall and said

we have to get nations to work together to defeat this pandemic and we have to actually bring you know bring nations up

he made it very clear

meanwhile

you know the opposing forces of the i m f and so forth in the federal reserve presently

they're taking moves

that are going to radically when the federal as read of reder reserve increases the interest rates it's going to radically destroy lives across the world

if we don't do something about it if it's not changed

and so you can see it alive to day and if you trace it back this whole question that you're raising

you'll see it in every civilization in every culture

especially when you look at the renaissances

that increased the capability for humanity to progress

a

but it's a war it's a war like it was for lincoln

we have to flank them

we can't just

you know you can't take these people on with a frontal assault you have to figure out where they're how to turn their strength into their weakness

and that's some

i know you got to go but so i just want to emphasize that i think that that's why

i'm totally focused on this operation of ncina

it sounds ridiculous to someone who's not really thinking because they look at

they look at the question of afghanistan and they hear you say oh i want to save the lives of the people in afghanistan and they think that you're some kind of liberal you know

no no i it it makes sense to me afghanistan is a

part of

um

brzezinski's

joy board

the geo has the central geopolitical

significance

so yes it makes a lot of sense

i appreciate that you that you that you get that and then

because that's the idea right you want a pivot point

you want to figure out some way to change this planetary

situation where

the malthusian policy if we allow it to continue then

that's it

i think that if we if we don't get the turn

there's no indication from the biden administration that they're at all capable

of a dread of dealing with the british push for war it is british

if you look at

you know the report about a russian coup in ukraine it came from the british

are today

blinken said after extensive

discussion with our allies he means the british

we decided to send this message back to the russians

he absolutely does right and that

bden doesn't seem to have any ability to respond to that

a so we have to

cause that to be known to the american public and people around the world

all right daniel

thank you so much for coming on the show

i

and

we will definitely be doing this much much more regularly and i'm thinking

iy more regular i mean like

next week

thats

other

scotsh

okay thats going

and also sorry for postponing it today it's just jackson

you had a debate with sam cedar so i had

i watched i've been watching since ten it's been fun

it's beenly fun

but i don't thkll for haveing me on

we will talk soon

course yea

im

thank you

by everyone

all right guys i have to go i'm really running late

that was great wasn't it

mm

it was a ss

voyborn donated ten dollars

the wikyan larusci accuses his wife

holp of anti semitism based off her correct criticism of the treaty of versailles

even though the treaty of reciplunged germany into fascism

thank you voidburn i don't really know anything about that but

thanks for the ten but we appreciate you

only got like four hours of sleep wh he shd

ight

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