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so i am your host brittany this is my

co-host todd how are you doing good brad

how are you

doing good all right so tonight we are

going to be debating china versus the

west

and uh we got two very lively people and

this should be this should be a good one

they had a little bit of a twitter back

and forth which i'm sure is going to end

really well for somebody um so let's

bring on our guests first up let's bring

on super power broadcasting kevin how

are you

i'm good thanks thanks for having me

here it's interesting i think a lot of

people have been waiting to see me and

haw's debate for months basically since

like february so let's go let's flip and

go glad we're able to do this so yeah if

you want to introduce yourself tell

people where you lie on the political

spectrum and where people can find you

wonderful yeah so thanks for uh bringing

me on here

i always down to debate uh so i'm kevin

castle i run the channel superpower

broadcasting at the moment you can find

me on twitch i stream to twitch every

day i also run a youtube channel

unfortunately at the moment the youtube

channel is down uh because we've been

spammed with frivolous copyright claims

over uh tick tocks uh that were posted

by a former political partner of mine

who after we discovered was basically a

fascist we had uh kicked them out of our

community and uh they posted tick tocks

calling for the death of atheists we

reacted to those they've spammed

copyright infringement against us so the

channel's probably going to be down for

a little while unfortunately but you can

keep up with me over on twitch in the

meantime that's super power broadcasting

as far as my political

position uh i'm pretty socially liberal

a little a little bit right a center on

a lot of economic stuff and i am very

very much proactive

and hawkish in a foreign policy

dimension in terms of assuring and

securing western liberal hegemony

throughout the world so that all people

regardless of where they're born can be

given the same opportunities and

freedoms and rights as any of us that

were privileged enough to be born in the

west so thank you all right thank you

nice to up we have

haas how are you

i'm doing good you know what i'm saying

ready to put some beta males in their

place if you know what i mean but um

you know amhaz

marxist leninism

in the age of multi-polarity in the

post-covert world

i never paid anyone in my life to debate

but kevin made that up we're gonna

address that claim too

um basically my position is basically

this so we're entering a multi-polar era

right it's not about morality about what

we should or shouldn't do it's about

can you wake up and get with the program

or are you gonna keep coping

um like our friend

kevin castle so kevin actually me and

kevin let me get some background story

we actually have a history of some sort

right

so i'm gonna break it down like this

kevin and his five friends right he's a

two viewer andy right so he's like

nobody so his five friends were

harassing me all day like endlessly

right non-stop

to debate me and i had a protocol in

places you gotta debate the discord

first because the son seoul guy he was

doing [ __ ] up [ __ ] so he made us put

that in place

so i finally agreed to debate him and

then he wanted to watch cnn instead

so he lost his opportunity he lost his

chance

but not not only did he say he's gonna

debate me he said he's gonna dictate the

terms

but you know what i mean like what

leverage does he have he's a two viewer

andy nobody even knows who he is

so it ended there

uh he basically took the l he ran away

from me

but

i've been debating on politically

provoked and i debate a whole lot of

irrelevant people uh you know does a

very good job moderating does a very

good job filtering people

so when i heard that he wanted to debate

on this platform and he let go of his

delusion that he was going to dictate

platforms and that it was going to be on

his show

i said sure why not

and here we are and now

we're going to see what kevin is made of

and whether all of that

energy he was putting into

all that time before and on twitter

where he's typing with his hands on his

keyboard

we're gonna see what kevin is really

made of here

so i'm excited as opposed to typing with

your feet

is that what you took with how about how

about speaking like a man with your

voice

yeah so

so how about this how about we get over

the lies so to clarify about that whole

uh incident six months ago when you say

oh but you want to watch cnn instead i

had a scheduled

uh stream a week in advance which we do

every sunday

we do every saturday night

we do every saturday night ghoul gang

rising

you at the time had less than two

thousand so they were about ten times as

big as you are so even if i was going to

be a tiger chasing clout i'm still going

with them not to mention i don't know

you guys

throughout the world

it gave you five likes

dude we got like 700 views dude

absolutely

on on that particular episode

concurrently like live viewers how much

live viewers did you get for that

episode

we had about 80 or something why like

it's not really that relevant because

you got like you were having like two

views you're lying dude but that's not

true that's not true you had your

gorillas in there they were some of the

viewers but this is a long term but this

is a long term plan right this is a

50-year project it's you don't get

famous overnight right like these whole

get rich quick america's probably not

going to exist in 50 years i don't know

where you're waiting 50 years to do this

come on

uh well not not if not if uh america

takes your advice sure but um but i

think on that we might actually have a

bit of common ground which is that uh

i'm arguing for how the west can best

promote itself you're arguing for how

the west can under or how to undermine

the west if i called you auntie western

you're not even gonna take that as an

insult so we're we're on different sides

here

it depends so see like

i'm against western unipolarity and

western imperialism and neocolonialism

but as far as the western people are

concerned living in western countries

i'm not against them not against western

people i think the best course of action

for western people is to um get away

from these foreign interventions and

this unipolar and imperialist

pretensions which as we can see in

france and germany with the civil unrest

going on there and as we can see in

america with its own internal political

turmoil imperialism does not benefit

western people communists are people

oriented we don't hate any people we

think we want to do what's best for the

people of each country and for people in

western countries

this

american empire has been the bane of

their existence deindustrialization the

opioid crisis

it's an era on its way out you can keep

coping or you can wake up and smell the

coffee

so so multi-polarity is not a stable

equilibrium unipolarity is stable the

question is who's going to be the

unipolar hegemon into the future you

have either russia china you've got come

to china fascist russia liberal america

those are your three choices for all

intents and purposes okay let's let's

break that down so you say unit polarity

is stable

okay sorry and then you're saying

multi-polarity is not stable something

that

is coming out being now well they can

both be

so don't interrupt me we can play this

ugly game you won't win so kevin

you american unit polarity you claim is

stable which is patently false it's the

source that's the number one source of

geopolitical instability in the modern

world as of now now we don't know what

kind of stability a multi-polar order is

going to have but what we do know is

that neither china nor russia whether

it's from the perspective of their

immediate self-interest which is what

we're talking about or you know i know

you're cynical most people are cynical

they don't buy it is from the

perspective of a moral and value and

traditional perspective whichever way

you look from it they have no ambitions

to

adopt the mantle of american union

polarity actually chinese theorists have

talked about how american unipolarity is

the very source is the very source of

america's demise it's a contradiction

um an imminent contradiction that has

led to the deindustrialization of

america and has led to the current

political crisis within america chinese

thinkers are very very well attuned to

that fact and they do not want to seize

the mantle of american unipolarity

because they know the ultimate

consequence of that would be the

destruction of their own country

internally so they focus on an internal

developmentalist model and then on the

economic level win-win agreements

between sovereign countries without

encroaching on the sovereignty of any

country so it's simple

so you think that it was a win-win when

they ruined sri lanka's economy or kenya

or any of these countries where they go

into talk about the sri lankan economy

what actually happened in the case of

sri lanka is that sri lanka got itself

into a hole because of the imf and

because of western loans and that the

sri lankan government wanted to enter

into a partnership with china concerning

one port and china's role in sri lanka's

economy was completely minuscule and yet

foreign observers have

harped on the case of sri lanka

just because it's a case in which china

has entered into an economic agreement

with a country based on a port when that

econo when that country's economy was in

dire states because of its own

government it's not china's fault sri

lanka has a shitty government china's

not going to impose its own good

governance on other countries so when

countries have shitty governments it's

the chinese will deal with them it's not

their business they're not going to

intervene and instill what they consider

a preferable government and that's true

for kenya that's true for africa so if

you think that deals between china and

africa aren't fair

for african people that's the business

of those people they should overthrow

their government and renegotiate new

terms there's actually examples of this

in history when the syriza government

got into power in greece there was a

really shitty deal with china concerning

the sale of a greek port and the greek

workers were not really getting much out

of it

syriza brought the chinese officials and

negotiated them on new terms in a way

that benefited greece and the chinese

were very hospitable they were very

generous in

giving the greek government what they

wanted so again it's not china's fault

it's these corrupt government's fault

and it's the business of the people to

attend to their own country attend to

their own government it's not china's

business so china takes advantage of

countries that have weak political

leadership or big corruption and they're

very interested in buying off their

support like at the united nations for

recognition against taiwan for example

sri lanka and kenya are two examples of

where they basically got them indentured

into these debt contracts where they

knew that they wouldn't be able to

actually paid off for infrastructure

they didn't really exactly need and now

china basically owns this port and china

is going to own the railway and

everything over in kenya it's what it is

is it amounts to you'd like to use the

term imperialism but what china is doing

with the belt and road is beijing

centric imperialism it's infrastructure

projects that really only china needs

and it's touted as this win-win but at

the end of the day the only people that

win from it are corrupt politicians that

sign the deals with the ccp and the

communist party in china you mentioned

good governance they're literally

committing a genocide right now in

xinjiang as well as running a police

state that just banned video games for

example and banned

boys let's reign it in a little bit and

go one by one because this is a lot of

claims so the first thing you're talking

about when it comes to china's

exploitative and predatory relationship

to corrupt and bad governments this

would make sense if it wasn't for the

fact that china is continually offering

poor countries debt relief they just

gave poor countries 2.1 billion in debt

relief china's been very understanding

with these countries and their inability

to pay off loans and um i can't see how

you could describe that relationship as

predatory or china taking advantage

whatsoever i think china has been

following its basic the ethics of its

confucian civilization

and basically coming to an understanding

with other countries that you know it's

not going to act like a savage barbarian

like anglo-saxon civilizations have like

britain which outright looted and

completely took over and colonized

countries and treated them like a pirate

treats uh its booty

and in the case of america which has be

either behind the scenes orchestrated

regime changes coups

sold instability and division and

turmoil uh or had has just outright

invaded countries in order to impose its

own specific political system i mean

even if we were to extend accept the

maximal extent of your accusations

against china in relation to other

countries

it's nowhere near the crimes depravity

and barbarism of anglo-saxon so-called

civilization now as to the second claim

regarding the uh oygo genocide i'm going

to go and ahead and say there is no

genocide against

within china so if we want to pursue

that specific uh

line of argumentation and debate we can

go down that road too now regarding

china's

recent cultural policies banning video

games and banning kind of k-pop and more

promoting masculinity within its country

i think that's absolutely [ __ ]

beautiful i think that's why a lot of

people are starting to wake up and

realize that china's the most based chad

country on [ __ ] planet earth and i

wish america was the same way

so yeah you basically the problem here

right so the problem here is you

mentioned that

uh that well the us has done

interventions and all this kind of stuff

too it's like well yeah i mean i'm an

advocate of that i'm an interventionist

i'm not gonna deny that uh it matters

what you're intervening on behalf of so

if you're intervening to promote

liberalism uh democracy and uh like

basically western values that's a good

thing when china does uh when china goes

out in the world they basically they

prop up these regimes that they have no

interest in reforming that are

are basically uh puppet states like you

mentioned the debt relief that's another

tactic that they use to bring these

countries under their heel

and to get them on their side against

taiwan and the free world you can't you

can't have it both ways you can't on the

one hand the only reason i brought up

debt relief is because you're accusing

china of taking advantage of vulnerable

countries so when china is actually

doing the opposite now you can go ahead

and shift the tune to saying that this

is a tactic to prop up puppet

governments now you're saying that

china's not reforming these countries

governments it's not because china is

actually being true to the so-called

western democratic values of the 17th

and 18th and 19th century according to

which you don't

it's the people

of a country who decide their own fate

not not foreigners foreigners are not

going to decide the fate of a country

that it's the business and belonging of

the people living in that country to

choose their own destiny and choose

their own fate it's not china's business

to choose

what government people are going to have

now regarding american intervention i'm

actually going to contest the claim that

america has ever intervened on behalf of

so-called liberalism freedom and

democracy um it's just patently not true

in each specific case of u.s

intervention we can locate a web of

private interests

and in addition to private interest

general interests of the us foreign

policy in maintaining its global

economic order now it can cloud that in

the phrases of liberty and

other ideological mishmash

but the truth is is that u.s

intervention if it was premised on the

basis of spreading liberal values and

whatnot there's a whole host of u.s

allies who we would have invaded who we

don't because we don't actually care

about so-called liberalism and democracy

we care about maintaining

the post-bretton wood system that was

initiated in the 1970s which is the

backbone of

global order as the u.s sees it now as a

final point i know this is kind of

veering off a little bit you know i

really actually wouldn't even grant you

the claim that you're a neo-conservative

and that this actually represents what

your position is i think uh kevin i

think you're actually an anarchist i

think you're adopting a position so

utterly foreign and removed not only

from the time period in which we live

but from the basic sensibilities of

almost everyone who lives in this

country america that it is aiken to just

get you know um displaying a middle

finger in front of everyone around you

like you're basically saying [ __ ]

society like everyone's wrong about the

neocons actually being uh having

disastrous policies and leading us to a

really bad situation i'm actually gonna

be in favor of that well you're really a

tiny minority and it's almost like it's

kind of like a rebellion right it's

really anarchistic it's just you may as

well be like a anarcho primitivist

that's how like outlandish your position

is in relation to the current reality

so

i i like the comparison to anarchy

because like i'm an advocate i i

recommend hobbs to people i'm a statist

anarchist in if you haven't looked they

don't like me they're not really fans of

me i don't call myself a neocon anymore

i use the term liberal hawk or liberal

unilateralist or you even say like a

progressive warhawk uh for me and when i

when i'm interested in at the end of the

day it's like

obviously it's it's western hegemony

because like i said multi-polarity is

not

it's not stable it's not sustainable

equilibrium in the long run you

mentioned how well we're going to see

how it plays out now but we can look to

the past halls and we can actually see

how multi-polarity played out before

great example uh the run-up to world war

one the world was very multi-polar power

was dispersed amongst a lot of great

powers there was a lot of trade and it

led to a huge war we can look at world

war ii the run up to that was multiple

we're confused so a few things right i

don't believe you call yourself

anarchist ideologically you obviously

don't identify with that but i think in

practical terms like when it comes to

the practical reality you are

indistinguishable from an anarchist that

was really i'm a status though yeah but

you call yourself i mean look a lot of

people call themselves status who are in

actual practical reality anarchists

because it's about the relationship you

have to the current state not the one

you have in your head

but anyway it's so it's not relevant now

the second thing

um you know the major problem with what

you're saying here regarding

multi-polarity is that polarity is a

very specific concept that doesn't just

refer to who's in charge a global system

as such did not exist

before american unipolarity um you know

you could call that imperialism there is

many competing and rivaling imperialist

powers but polarity as such which refers

to a great deal more than just who's the

big you know the big guy in town didn't

even exist in the first place right so i

studied international relations in

school multi-polarity refers to

the polls in the system so we could talk

about pre-world war one right

there was no system there was no but

there was a world system when i say

world system no no when i say world

system haws

this is important this is an important

definition i'm not talking about like

some ordered structure like the un or

something i'm talking about the order of

the world not like there's some dude

there was none no no no but you're

missing what i'm saying so we can talk

about the universe we can talk about the

solar system as a system it doesn't mean

that there's police to enforce anything

it's just it's a system i know what

you're trying to say i know what you're

trying to say it's not a formal you know

i'm not saying it's just a formal system

i'm saying a world system as such

only emerged after the us unit period of

unipolarity after world war ii before

then there was no real shared world as

we know it european powers were

competing for the mantle of what we

would call world hegemony now yeah that

was a multi-polar order you have no no

no it was multi-polar it was multiple

polar it's an important distinction

right and we can go to the economic

details if you want and why this is but

european powers were competing for the

mantle the one singular mantle of what

we can call polarity pop uh proper

because polarity is not just how much

leverage or power you have in relation

to other countries polarity actually

refers to a specific kind of um

economic relationship uh to the world in

what way uh

do you represent a polar orientation a

center around which various countries um

kind of satellite or satellites for so

for example in the case of the us

the reason we call it uni polarity is

because of obviously the bretton wood

system and the specific system of um

the recycling of the us dollar and the

recycling of american surpluses and

profits to develop other countries this

situated america as the single pole

of the world but

similar relations and wars between

currency and currency politics are now

emerging which is why we call it

multi-polarity we don't just call it

multi-polarity because america's losing

you know um it's unilateral power it's

because there are various different

economic poles that are emerging in the

world which represent

uh the decentralization of the world

system that emerged after world war ii

so it's a very important distinction

so you're basically using like marxian

sort of language here to describe

polarity i'm talking about an

international no no no no i didn't

you're missing concept unique or

exclusive to marxism whatsoever i mean

you're missing the point though we're

not really so much talking about

economics here we're talking about the

distribution of power in the world

in the run-up to world war one you can

say oh well they were all competing for

who's the top dog there was no top dog

yet it was multi-polar it was dispersed

there was no acknowledgment before in

world war one of different polls there

were no polls there was not even one

poll that was established yet so there

couldn't be different polls that's what

i'm trying to tell you world war one

by that logic there couldn't have been

rocks before a few thousand years ago

because we didn't have a term to define

rocks so therefore everything in the

universe didn't exist until humans gave

a definition to it you can go back and

describe a condition

reel it back a little bit okay you just

no but this is you're embarrassing

yourself you're embarrassed no but this

is a tactic that you'll have i'm trying

to i'm just you're over complicating it

you're overwhelmed

this is the technique that i've seen you

do okay i'm not saying numerous times

kevin where you have to take something

that happened in the past happened kevin

don't make this difficult

to

the only one embarrassing themselves

here is you dude

we're going to simplify this to save

time kevin no one is saying that the

reason we should not describe the word

polarity to describe the pre-world war

ii state of the world not just pre-world

war one um is because there wasn't a

concept for it back then i'm saying that

polarity refers to a intelligibly

different system an intelligibly

different

um it's it's a concept whose object is

intelligibly different to the point

where we could say even if we didn't

have the word for it back then it still

had not yet emerged and i kind of

explained that in the form of the

bretton woods system and the

relationship between

uh industrial um industrial centers of

power and hinterlands and so on and so

on like for example now this is the

relationship germany has to southern

europe right within the form of the eu

so that's a poll you can call it a poll

but

regardless like

i think you just don't understand

uh what is actually being said here so

you talk about rocks in the universe and

stuff really just embarrassing yourself

no it's because you're trying to say

that we can't qualify the state of the

world order and the run-up to world war

one has multi-polar because people at

the time didn't call it multi-polar no

no but it is

and international relations of

multi-polarity polarity okay and

international i think we need to go back

to this distribution of power and we

have two states you just listen to what

i said or not or multiple states no no

but here's the point paz i think it has

nothing to do with it there's actually

you're just trying to be an economic

reductionist it's about more than

economics it's about power because every

time you say oh well no that can't be a

polarization you don't have to use the

word polarity then use a different word

just say uh unilateralism or

bilateralism or you can well well no

that that is a state's relation to other

states that's not about the world order

though you can use um decentralized

power you can say there's no one

singular power or something but there's

no need to use the word polarity if you

don't even know what that concept is

referring to no but the irony here is

you don't know in international

relations what polarity refers to i'm

going to bring up the definition of

clarity is tied to world systems theory

which is tied to thinkers like emmanuel

wallerstein and others i'm very familiar

with the literature on the subject kevin

yeah but it doesn't sound like it but it

doesn't sound already referred to a

great deal more than just power okay

that's if you don't understand that i

don't think you went to school

that's ridiculous you're in law school

and you're in law school to my

understanding and your your reduction of

these definitions to try to comply with

your specific view

is super cringy and wouldn't hold up in

court it wouldn't hold up before

definitions because you're not going to

agree on what polarity means because

you're you don't know i'm literally

telling you in international relations

polarity refers to distribution and

power in the world system shut up if we

haven't you know you know

shut up

kevin if we have a semantic difference

that we need to overcome the best course

of action is to just agree we're not

going to agree about what the meaning of

the word polarity is and go to the

relevant um

differently intelligible objects that

are under contention so what i'm trying

to say is that there is a identifiable

reason why multi-polarity would not mean

the return to the pre-world war one

system now you can say that both are

multi-polar orders something i would

disagree with but even if i were to

grant you that it still doesn't make a

difference because i'm making the

current

emerging multi-polar order intelligibly

different in a way that doesn't allow us

to equate it to the pre-world war one

order in that case multi-polarity would

be inessential to comparing them because

there is something that differentiates

them that i am elevating to the status

of an essence

okay so

i know you have a hard time like

debating but you really got to follow

the course of argumentation because you

waste a lot of time over semantics that

don't matter so so here we go with the

whole anglo-box thing again definitions

don't matter unless haas is using the

definitions then they matter you just

hear what i said it's not about whether

the definitions matter or not it's about

what is essential as the point of

contention in this argument and just

because just because you know what's

insane

they're the same because you want to

think that they are the same because i'm

not saying they're the exact same

ways in which characterized i've played

kevin do you want to get yourself in

trouble don't fight it just accept it

listen dude dude kevin listen listen

listen i need you to understand

something this has nothing to do with

definitions i'm raising a point that

you're not addressing you're just saying

they're the same without addressing the

ways in which i've described to you how

they're not the same so can we actually

you're just trying to say that that the

semantics don't matter anymore because

you lost on the semantics i'm not

arguing

i'm not arguing

semantics dude

yeah all i'm trying to say is that no

i'm not conceding as to your point about

uh

the meaning of multi-polarity you're

talking out of your [ __ ] ass you

don't know what you're talking about you

sound embarrassing

if you really want to cling and

stubbornly cling to that point i'm doing

you a favor if we're not going to agree

about what the word multi-polarity means

we can just address the point of

contention um under which the word was

being used to describe for now i

described the emerging multi-polar order

as qualitatively different than the one

before world war one and i actually

backed that up with some kind of content

i actually said why it's different and

i'm elevating that to an essential point

of distinction you're not acknowledging

the distinction whatsoever you're just

going back to the contention over the

meaning of the word multi-polarity why

do you do i think you're dwelling in a

semantical difference because you're

actually scared to argue over what we're

really trying to talk about in the

future well no no we can talk about the

current order emerging we can talk about

that too what i was saying what i was

saying before we went into this was that

multi-polarity is not stable now i

wasn't saying that the multi-polarity

that's emerging now is the same as that

which existed before world war one what

i'm saying is it's not a stable

equilibrium and it will give way to a

unipolar hegemon

usually how that happens is a world war

so i'll break down your logical

incoherence so that you could like it's

re all on the table you could see why

you're not very smart so kevin let me

explain it to you like this

you are saying multi-polar orders are

not stable and you're using the

pre-world war one situation as evidence

for that is that correct

yeah i'm not saying they're the same i'm

just saying that that order distribution

is not the same

kevin if you if you haven't noticed i've

understood everything you've said up to

this point i'm just trying to help you

right now right because i don't think

you understand where i'm at so i have

put forward an argument about why the

current emerging multi-polar order would

not be as unstable it wouldn't have the

essence of the instability of the

pre-world war one one and the reason for

that is because in world war one

they were attempting to seize hegemony

over the position that america would

come to occupy after world war ii now

i'm trying to say is that america's

position is now being decentralized

we're not returning to a hobbsian jungle

in which we're going to fight over it

once again that's that's beyond us the

the mantle of unit polarity adopt held

by america will never be held by anyone

else ever again

so what i'm actually trying to say is a

specific argument in a specific point

there's no need to keep dwelling in

semantics when you haven't even

addressed the point which is

how can you argue that the current

emerging multi-polar order will be just

as unstable

uh as the order before world war one

when in fact

there are qualitative differences i have

pointed out

that would probably lead us to believe

that it wouldn't have that same

instability

right so you point out differences be

clear

i'm not um arguing that it's impossible

that there will be instability in the

future because of the emerging

multi-polar order by any means but i'm

just saying you can't use world war one

as evidence because if it's going to be

unstable it's going to be quality it's

going to be unstable in a qualitatively

different way

okay well my point was specifically

about the instability of it the reason

why it's unstable and why uh you can say

well there are different economic

relations now you can say that power is

more decentralized now maybe there will

be more polls than there were in the

run-up to world war one where they were

all concentrated in a similar geographic

area the point for me is that the world

system has always been and for the time

being will be anarchic and what that

means is that there's no real world

police people joke about america being

the world police but like realistically

if china does a genocide or russia does

some [ __ ] or russia invades ukraine uh

if nobody like the us intervenes they

get away with it there's not like some

world police that just stepped down and

zapped them magically so uh the reason

why it's going to be an unstable is that

uh you're still going to have that power

vacuum at the international level and so

as much as you can say well nobody's

going to have that hegemon that america

has had that title i disagree with that

i would like to see america keep it but

the point is whether it's china or it's

russia or it's a new power that emerges

or a cluster of powers acting in

cohesion

there is going to be a hegemon that

emerges because that's the only real

stable equilibrium in the long run and

we'll continue having world wars until

we get there and you mentioned some

qualitative differences in terms of the

economic relations you can talk about

how well the world is more i guess more

intertwined in terms of trade except we

had a higher percentage of world gdp

comprise the trade before world war one

it's not the argument though that's not

the argument what's your argument yeah

the argument is about the specific

relationship between developing

countries and developed countries and

specifically developing countries which

are no longer colonies that are going to

be competed over uh to be directly

plundered and looted and seized but

countries that are that require a need

to take advantage of the differences in

the concentration of capital uh in order

to industrialize themselves now

and layman's speak

countries

need these surpluses of production in

the advanced countries in order to

develop themselves

um otherwise they're going to have to

engage in their own kinds of you know

all-encompassing agricultural

revolutions as we saw in the soviet

union and china to adopt an independent

path to modernity but we know that this

leads to a lot of social political and

economic uh turmoil that most countries

are not prepared to um

experience and also it also presupposes

that they occupy a sufficiently large

land mass and a lot of other things

but so yeah most countries rely on

advanced countries in order to develop

now this is really the key to what

separates the multi-polar order from the

order before world war one is that it's

not actually competition

over colonies and you have to understand

that that's what was going on they were

competing over the resources and

colonies and land space

of the world whether in europe or beyond

europe

specifically there were competing um

industries

requiring different raw materials and

resources and so on and so on so the

situation is very different now right so

instead of a war

you have to understand wars are

political war is an extension of

politics and vice versa it's clos

vitzian right most states at least

formally despite all neocolonialism are

sovereign countries now right so it

doesn't make sense that wars are going

to be waged for them as in the case of

world the boat two world wars because

both world wars were about either

sovereign disputes of sovereignty or

lack thereof so sovereignty is really

the key when you already have the

sovereign states that countries like

america and china are competing over uh

in terms of the possessing economic

relationships too

it's not the same and it's not

comparable now you're calling

american unit polarity stable now i kind

of sounded like you're saying it's not

stable and it's and i agree with you

it's not stable right

so if it's already not stable i don't

see what the difference is going to be

you're obviously not going to create a

global order

um whatsoever because a global order

presupposes a center of power that's

ruling over everyone so i don't think

that's even possible but what i do think

is that countries can pursue in a way

guided by china's example not by force

not by

political coercion or enshrining some

kind of

political hegemony in the form of

military interventions and the threat of

being invaded but can follow china's

example both as a

as a effective model of development for

underdeveloped or

developing countries and as a way

to conduct foreign relations now believe

it or not

you know cynical people will disagree

with this but

for a long time in history especially

when it comes to states like china

foreign relations were not

conducted

on bond of the pure threat of force and

uh and extinction foreign relations

followed traditions and customs based on

mutual respect that just

lines are just not crossed based on some

kind of minimal values confucian

values in the case of china so a return

to this kind of status quo even if it's

a little bit utopian is i think way more

realistic and better to aspire to as

opposed to the kind of genocidal

extinctionism

of your anarchistic kind of larp so

you're putting up so you're the country

that you're defending right now is

literally conducting a genocide i want

to know for the record here that uh when

we're talking about polarity and when

we're talking about unipolarity and

american hegemony the reason why it's

dwindling right now is actually it's a

self-dwindling it's the first time in

history the romans never just gave up

their empire by choice the british

didn't do it by choice

anything further we just have to

establish

a reason

no no no no no no the reason fighting

the reason that's a reason why

the reason why america's hegemony is

is disappearing right now is because of

the self cucking by washington it's the

first time in history that you've seen

us now i don't consider american empire

but you you probably would it's the

first time you've seen an empire so to

speak give up its own mantle and that's

because of these russian memes

and other countries memes that are

perpetrated within the country to make

the american people hate themselves and

hate their own interests abroad and

support giving out power to china and

russia i don't know how many players in

central asia

i don't know how many layers of insanity

we're on so i just want to get some some

things clear so first of all

china's not conducting a genocide it's

not been proven there's no evidence for

that the most that's not true the mostly

accused of doing is a cultural genocide

which itself is another thing they made

up now the second thing that you said

was that um

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the reason why america is in decline is

not because it is collapsing under the

weight of its own imminent

contradictions which is an argument that

is far more coherent far more defensible

and far more based in reality but

actually because for two reasons one

they're not listening to kevin castle

right kevin castle would really save

washington from the mess that it's in

now now the second reason and ironically

yeah and i quote this ad verbatim

russian memes

can you please give me an example of

these russian memes that are leading to

the yeah yeah so the internet research

agency for example has run various

different facebook groups uh promoting

all right promoting the alt right so you

literally ask for an example i gave you

an example one of our institutions

that's been doing this the internet

researchers for the memes can you show

us the memes that are leading to the

collapse of the american empire just

like an example yeah yeah well you can

see them on twitter all the time the

idea that america's

kremlin against

i want you to show me one of these memes

because i want to seize the memes

because they have so much power they can

bring down an empire imagine what i

could do with them right so so you deny

so you deny the internet research agency

running different facebook groups to pin

the far right and the far left against

each other in america to weaken american

uh institutions and civil society i can

address this in two prongs remember i'm

a loser well well no i mean we're

getting off we're getting off topic

right now let's let's work home back

worth noting that's worth

which is incredibly simplistic

incredibly low iq let's let's not walk

it back kevin let's go back to the memes

so two things the internet research

agency the groups that it found uh

guilty of these we're so minuscule in

relevance and significance it's

laughable if you actually look at these

but that's not true yeah they would

sound true though they literally led to

fun

in the streets kevin and the second

thing though is that even if i were to

agree with you that the internet

research agency had all these really

widespread popular memes and it was

really you know reaching a lot of people

on facebook remember that you said that

russian memes are responsible for the

decline of the american empire so no i

said it was a factor in america giving

up its own power in the world

because the american people have been

brainwashed on a diet of russia today

and michael moore to hate themselves and

hate their national interests and

thinking about their positions americans

love themselves

when the deep state engages in foreign

intervention

we're doing the meetings the deep state

but okay

owens okay alex jones get out there get

out the tin foil hats

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your understanding of international

relations is below a beta level you're

like gamma dude you're literally gamma

at this point dude that's your

understanding here no you no you no you

already know you you

so these memes that so you're saying the

american people

uh they hate themselves when they're

trying to address the problem of

deindustrialization

joblessness jobs moving overseas in the

opioid crisis these are examples of

america loving itself but america

americans are hating themselves when

they want to give the country back to

the people that

premises and that are that are

responsible for it and that actually

you're missing you just stumbled on

yo

so you just stumbled you just stumbled

on one of the big points here which was

the industrial uh aspect to it so your

whole thing is like oh well china they

have this model of self-development and

all this kind of stuff what you're

missing is that the only reason why

china isn't uh everybody making two

dollars a day right now as agrarian

backwater is because of the west we made

communist china as rich as they are if

we didn't do business with them they

would have nothing they wouldn't even

have kiwis as you say they wouldn't even

have kiwis

so we made them and we

we made them and we can end up kevin

kevin kevin castle you are so adorable

let me tell you something

you have to understand yeah i recognize

a lot of people think i'm adorable what

up understand the history deal with it

it's not a compliment yeah well you know

what

uh

daddy's talking listen daddy's talking

daddy dude

you have the you have them i'm trying to

refresh your points

give me a [ __ ] break dude you're

you're a man child you're literally a

man shop kevin kevin you're one of these

uh goobers who just thinks oh i'll wear

i'll wear my uh my workout clothes and

i'll sound super tough and kevin oh yeah

i'll flex that body stuff and that'll

improve your

order bro bro quite okay

that was fun um

okay

um now let's go back to one at a time so

go ahead yeah yeah so this is the point

i actually wanted to make so kevin is

making it seem like the u.s is a

communist state in which all of our

economic policies are pursued on the

basis of a central political interest

but actually that's not how it works the

reason why companies moved to china and

the reason why you had this general

trend of industrialization and it wasn't

just china it was mexico and other

countries was because it was not only in

the interests of the capitalists within

america to

because of the cheaper costs of labor

moved to these foreign countries

it was the only way to offset the

international economic crisis that was

started in the 1970s uh specifically

with the collapse of the bretton woods

system and this is be what's responsible

for the emergence of what we call

neoliberalism as we know it

had

china not opened up to the west it's a

dual you know it's a dual situation of

dependence there would have been a

widespread

economic crisis which the political

orders within the west wouldn't have

been able to survive so these western

corporations needed to go move to china

because they needed to offset the

falling rate of profit that was

responsible for the crisis in the 1970s

you know if you want to be see the

reason i call you an anarchist kevin is

because if washington listened to you

you would literally destroy the american

empire in the entire global order as we

know it which is why kevin despite us

debating i wish and pray for nothing

more than for washington to listen to a

guy like you because you will hasten the

collapse of the american empire so like

if you say okay we made china we can end

them please try to win them trump was

trying to do it the chinese called him

comrade trump because he strengthened

and invigorated the national chinese

industry so effectively by he didn't

really try he didn't block china

try as hard as you want you are just

going to rally the

passion of the chinese people to rise to

heights that they've never that no

people on earth have ever seen before

well they've been rallying against your

regime they've risen up in hong kong

they've risen up in xinjiang and they've

been oppressed and quelled

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affiliated gulf sponsored terrorists oh

so we're gonna need some proof on that

really al qaeda

hong kong was a british colony it

doesn't represent the majority of the

chinese people i don't know why you're

using hong kong as an example it's an

example of people rising up for

democracy and being shut down by the

regime you don't understand you don't

even understand what you're talking

about hong kong has a different system

than china it's just one country two

systems right well that's what it was

until recently

and listen you know why hong kong is

such a bad example for you is that there

are communist party theorists within

china who acutely understand that one of

the biggest impetuses of the hong kong

uprising was also economic

dissatisfaction and economic discontent

and one of the reasons for that is

because there's no land in hong kong

there's no affordable housing in hong

kong so people are kind of like packed

like sardines in this kind of unlivable

way and one of the reasons for that is

because china respects hong kong

sovereignty and at least being able to

have a different system there can be no

economic reforms like a land reform or

any socialistic policies that

can allow hong kongers to enjoy the same

guarantee and basic social safety is

mainland china maybe they have a higher

gdp they have a higher gpa i know

this is what i'm saying you're going to

argue

economically

bro

they're richer than the mainland by a

law listen carefully to what i said i

did not say people in the mainland are

more wealthy they're not they're much

poorer but they have more security in

the form of having these guaranteed

landed plots that they can always go

back to when there's when they lose

their job or they have that kind of

safety and security in hong kong people

don't own land they don't have any kind

of um guarantee for a minimal dignified

life now relatively speaking people in

hong kong are obviously much more

wealthier it's much more advanced than

most of the main level that's changing

very rapidly right the mainland is

catching up obviously but um

that's not the point i was trying to say

the point i was trying to say is that

the number one source of civil unrest is

actually not just poverty because

remember poverty is always relative it's

economic turmoil it's relative economic

turmoil and stability when people no

longer have

the basic standard of living that they

expect they should

that's really the source of a lot of the

political discontent and hong kong

because it doesn't not run or governed

by a socialist system isn't able to um

initiate the necessary economic reforms

that are going to disempower the

landlords of hong kong who own most of

the land and own it on the basis of

profit

um

because of that there's going to be

economic discontent in places like hong

kong but that's why you don't see that

same level of strife or discontent in

the mainland

why should people that worked and and

purchase property why should they be

disempowered like so you're a communist

you're literally angry yeah i'm a

communist because my position in

relation to the relation between

politics and the economy is that the

government should do whatever supports

and benefits the overwhelming majority

of the people they govern but that's

just the cope that you're not a

billionaire you're that's just the hope

that you're not a billionaire if you

were a billionaire you wouldn't be a

communist you'd be like yeah this is my

mind read my words carefully most people

are not billionaires if a government is

going to effectively represent the

interests of its people it has to

recognize that most people are not

billionaires so you know well that's not

just about being a billionaire

i was talking about landlords most of

those landlords are not billionaires

either my point is that capitalism gives

you the opportunity no that's capitalism

gives you the opportunity to make

something of yourself

land owners

in your own way the communist system in

china quells you down if you express

anything that diverges from the party

you talk about this as if it's all about

money and it's all about my land it's

like no no ideology is a factor here

that i think is worth discussing because

you talked about how okay we're in a new

new order emerging so that's not how

this works oz you don't just get to talk

the whole time and then the second i

start talking you

interrupt me like a little monkey uh i'm

talking right now so you stay in your

place so here's the deal the

ideological difference is the

ideological differences

between

the

order between the old order and the new

order that you're talking about emerging

uh has not been taken into account

you're just talking about my economics

my economics are different my my

my polls are different here's the

problem here's the problem all over the

place we live in a world that is divided

between islands of freedom

and continents of slavery and your your

solution is just ignore ideological

differences and therefore we can have

peace in the system that's [ __ ]

absolute [ __ ] and that is the most

idealistic divorce from reality

understanding of power relations you

don't get it you don't get it you don't

get the role of ideology here you just

simply don't you think that we could

just put ideological differences aside

he repeated that a million times i heard

you loud and clear kevin now i get to

respond so kevin here's the issue here

right

the first thing is that you notice a

tendency with you whenever we get fixate

on a specific line of argumentation you

pivot you pivot to uh oh no that's you

you're the one who pivoted away from the

definition of polarity because i wanted

to talk about that that was your code

that was your co-pause

mute this guy

no you no no no you don't you do you

potatoes kevin pivots and detracts to a

trillion other topics let's get back

on the definition so you're like not

mismatched with semantics no you know

you yeah

okay well basically

look look i would love to just yell at

him and just shout with him but there's

actual content we know huds we know

i want to mute him just mute him there's

actual meat and potatoes i want to

address here like i actually want to

argue about this stuff right so that's

why i'm trying to bring it back so you

were talking about the situation of land

in hong kong and that well most are not

billionaires i don't know if that's true

but you have to understand that hong

kong land is overwhelmingly monopolized

in the hands of a few so it's not

decentralized in the way you're trying

to imply the second thing is you because

you had to concede on that point now

you're trying to say i'm an egg i didn't

concede

what is this this is nonsense

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so

the second thing is that you you have to

concede and then go revere off into this

territory

about

how well material reality is not all

that matters ideological realities

matter too and in china you can't speak

in a way that is against the party line

but that is patently false people in

china have a very far i'm wide-ranging

um

uh range of expression even more than

america actually not because they're

absolutely [ __ ]

what is how is that [ __ ]

they're able to unmute themselves

are you

democracy

that is

is

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relationships

dudes

you

oh

beta males know their place beta males

know their places know their place

beta males know the place evidence

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and you just kept [ __ ] interrupted me

you kept [ __ ] doing this kevin

because you know that when it comes to a

rational debate right you will get

[ __ ] destroyed

i'm

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we will never

hell you will never [ __ ] recover from

this out handle somebody who will let me

[ __ ] 100

that's an ugly side of me but as

everyone can see i'm trying to debate

and when i'm trying to get my points in

he can't help but brought in and

interrupt me so he wants to have a

yelling match and we can do that

but i actually want him to know he's

being dominated intellectually you see

he's going oh look how ridiculous haaz

is well then what do you want me to do

debate i tried that and all you do is

[ __ ] interrupt me mid-sentence not

even allowing me to [ __ ] clarify what

i'm trying to say so the second thing i

was trying to say was that

america might have free speech but

chinese netizens and this is true for

anyone with experience

in this

is that

chinese netizens are more informed

they're more knowledgeable they don't

speak mindlessly they speak according to

having education according to being

informed on topics they have in-depth

discussions about a range of history and

topics which is depth and complexity it

[ __ ] pales in comparison to the kind

of online discourse you see in america

but as far as actual censorship in china

it's actually so simple and so [ __ ]

um

on the surface that it does not get in

the way of the chinese people's ability

to voice their actual authentic

expression and their authentic actual

actual views um they may be censored and

may not allow to promote civil unrest

and and social chaos but if you actually

survey the chinese people the overwhelm

majority of them are glad that china's

not

rife with social chaos and anarchy like

countries like america or

eastern europe and the soviet union

after the collapse of communism chinese

people

are very well aware that the order that

prevails within china needs to and

should be maintained and i i have not

seen any evidence of anyone even try to

argue to the contrary

i'm gonna bring him back on yeah um

kevin we're gonna try to go back to some

normal debating now that you guys got

that out of your system and let's go

back to um

debating yes so that's what happens

because haas isn't used to actually

arguing with a western warhawk who isn't

just a cuck uh liberal neo-liberal

internationalist who who basically just

wants to surrender uh various holdings

in the world various forward positions

he's not used to it not used to it

that's what happens so

i'm not used to seeing somebody who's

actually proud to be western out here

no my point was that this all started

because has tried to say

that china had more of a representative

expression from the people than america

that's the biggest [ __ ] that

anybody's ever heard like he doesn't

even believe that there's no way he

believes that he calls himself a tanki

what do you think a tank he is it's

somebody who sends in the tanks to quell

democratic uprising he doesn't even

believe that so

well now you want to debate about the

events of hungary 56 but we can actually

uh talk about what we're doing

in 1980 you want to keep interrupting me

because two could play this

i let this guy talk i'm letting him talk

no i'm talking and he interrupts me so

how does that work okay so i need a

little bit if i if i'm gonna hit the

mute button please don't unmute yourself

so i can at least um just freaking

get it to like just simmer down a bit so

um

i hate that people figured out they can

do that

all the time yeah

it's a nuisance yeah um all right so

yeah just like let's uh let people

finish talking you guys got the content

out of that so let's go back

now so basically yes i do believe that

actually i do believe that in china

people's authentic views and opinions

are able to give way better and more

representative expression than in

countries like america where people

didn't even [ __ ] know what they want

they're not even informed to be in tune

with their actual interests as a people

that's why america gets into [ __ ]

online debates over frivolous [ __ ]

that's in nowhere near their actual

authentic uh feelings and interests they

just get caught up in culture wars that

are just existing for their own sake

it's not even because it's what they

really believe anymore people just take

sides because it's like a sports team at

this point between the democrats and

republicans so yeah in china when they

don't have all of that useless [ __ ]

bickering they can actually get to the

business of actually expressing what

they authentically

view the world and what they

authentically want from the state and

the state is very um attentive to what

chinese people say to their protests and

their various objections and suggestions

and they integrate all those things in

their five-year plans among other

policies so yes china's a far more

robustly democratic

country than america it's a far more uh

democratic country in terms of actually

representing what the majority of people

actually think and believe

so you mentioned the culture war you

think oh it's frivolous or whatever i

actually i actually agree to some extent

there and i've done videos in the past

saying how the culture war is unwinnable

for conservatives it's pointless like

it's just a massive endless cope where

every time we gain ground they're like

oh well we're gonna try to undo this or

try to undo that to get a little bit

ground back or maybe we'll get one

person on the supreme court to overturn

stuff for a few years and then and then

the liberals keep winning and winning

and winning in 50 years it's going to be

uh the most conservatives in america are

going to be pro trans rights for example

so it's a lost cause for conservatives

so i actually agree that the culture war

shouldn't matter the conservatives

should just give up they're never gonna

win but china on the other hand doesn't

necessarily have that because you're not

allowed to be liberal over there like if

you advocate for what i i want i'm a

moral universalist liberal universalist

uh i would get imprisoned for advocating

for gay rights trans rights women's

rights in china for example they would

consider me a dissident even if i didn't

even talk about the party per se even if

i wasn't just advocating for democracy

just advocating for uyghur rights for

example immediately immediately going to

jail and so haz is going to try to

gaslight you here and try to say how

china is is a better representation of

expression because there's no culture

war the reason why there's no real

culture war is that the communist party

jails anybody that's not a conservative

communist so

yeah so there's a three prongs about why

that's a stupid argument the first one

lies in the fact that if china jails all

lgbt activists

it's really weird how you can actually

look and see that within china

there are lgbt organizations and

advocacy groups and activists that are

not in jail so it's a patent lie that

china is just going to jail anyone who

advocates for the rights of sexual

minorities the reason why it's not

really widespread within china is

because and this is true the majority of

chinese people are just not interested

in this topic they're just not they're

not enthralled by it in the way

america is and the reason why americans

are enthralled by it is because it's

been overly politicized

by the democrats and the republicans

the second thing regarding away good

rights well that's extremely ambiguous i

mean oy good rights can fall under the

umbrella of al qaeda right that oyger

should have the right to have an islamic

state that is completely separate from

china violating the one china policy so

what is that what exactly is meant by

oyger rights uh would determine whether

or not you would be imprisoned or

whether you would face repercussions uh

the third thing is shut the [ __ ] up

shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ]

[ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up i didn't finish

my [ __ ] point shut up you asked the

question i answered shut kevin shut the

[ __ ] up

shut the [ __ ] up

shut the [ __ ] up kevin

is anyone moderating this like i don't i

don't interrupt him and he interrupts me

because he's an anarchist he's an

anarchist

because you can't follow [ __ ] rules

just follow the rules of the [ __ ]

platform

let him finish before it gets riled up

again all right so go ahead

yeah so the third thing what you're

saying is that oh in china the reason

there's no culture war is because the

government just censors it if the

chinese people were actually

authentically and organically inclined

to have culture wars maybe at first it

would be censored and this is how all

these trends work in china but

eventually the government would have to

assent to what the overwhelming majority

of people want so no and that's just

assuming we even buy into this idea that

culture wars in general are being

censored in china the truth is that the

chinese people do not give a [ __ ] about

the things that that seem to interest

americans online chinese people spend

their time online talking about history

and civilizations and religions and

important things like that americans

spend their time online arguing over

bathrooms so that's really the

difference the chinese people just are

not interested they just don't care well

that's such an essentialist and over

generalization there are people in

america that have arguments about

philosophy online and there are people

in china that have arguments about who

killed better and fortnite

after they use their vpn and everything

so the idea that china that netizens or

whatever over there are are more

intellectual than people in america

online that's not really true the reason

why you don't really see a culture war

unfolding is that liberal voices are

literally oppressed in china whereas in

america liberals are winning and

conservatives are angry and furious and

coping and fuming and dooming because

they see women being empowered they see

lgbt people having rights they see uh

blacks having equal rights for example

and they look at that and they see their

old way where they were on top and they

see that as

basically uh vanishing from them and

they're pissed about it now i agree that

the culture war shouldn't really be that

much of a thing in america we should

just have a socially liberal society in

which you're free to live your truth

they don't have that in china has

explanation is that the chinese people

don't care about it well that's easy

enough to say if you're a straight uh

conforming person who follows the party

in china if you're anybody who deviates

from that uh that's not true though and

you mentioned oh what are uyghur rights

what are weaker rights the rights not to

be forced sterilized the rights not to

have your children taken away from you

the right's not to be sent to a

detention center to be brainwashed and

tortured and if it so happens and i've

said this before if it so happens that

there are cases and there are and there

have been in the past cases of terrorism

against uh china i support terrorism

against chinese military and police

forces i don't support against chinese

civilians but if that's what it takes to

achieve liberation i support their

liberation just as i support kurdish

liberation uh they are the good guys

here the regime is the bad guys the

behavior of the regime is not going to

change the regime has to be changed so

and i support working with anybody to

accomplish that even if we've got other

disagreements they're an ally here

against china so

um before we address everything i just

want to say i am so fascinated at how

neo-conservatives finally came around to

embracing their true allies al-qaeda so

that's not really there's no shut up

shut up shut up

you're talking about the new shut up

shut up

shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up i'm

not nowhere near done we're just getting

started with all this dumb [ __ ] you just

said so you're actually made the claim

that we cannot say that chinese people

are more informed because there are

exceptions within america and there are

exceptions within china but we're not

talking about exceptions we're talking

about the overall trend the overall

trend is that chinese netizens are far

more careful far more thoughtful and far

more intellectual and educated and you

know they actually talk about

interesting things that matter

overwhelmingly right as compared to

america so you actually haven't

addressed that this is an overall trend

be there that there may be exceptions

within both countries now you're saying

that

liberals are repressed within china

that's interesting because liberals in

china are literally given pretty high

ranking posts in academia and media and

culture and much of the discontent

against liberalism that's now farting

starting to form a xi jinping era

and this is true if you know chinese

people you'd understand this it's coming

from below not even from up top chinese

people are becoming more fervently

patriotic

and loyal

to not only their country but to their

party and its history than ever before

in history it's comparable almost to the

cultural revolution

the chinese people themselves are

putting grassroots pressure on the

western inspired institutions that

emerged after the reform and opening up

to get rid of and sack and purge and

actually struggle against these liberal

western elements that they don't want in

their country now as far as individual

expression culture wars are concerned

china is not completely culturally

hegemonic but it does represent a shared

civilization that's thousands of years

old and there are exceptions within

china of individuals who break the mold

and go their own way and go their own

path the whole point is that this is

never going to be a general trend

because china was never an

individualistic society it's not because

people are not allowed to do those

things they are i mean there's examples

of vice documentaries going to look at

subcultures in shanghai and other big

cities these things exist it's just not

going to represent the major trend

within china because

believe it or not the character of china

reflects the character of the chinese

people in the last and final instance

the whole people's republic and

communist party is founded on the basis

of acknowledging that very premise

so and finally one last thing

regarding this thing about uh what would

it take to satisfy uber rights their

right not to be kidnapped they're right

not to be sterilized well then it's even

better because there's not even any need

for any activists for oy good rights

because none of those things are being

violated in the first place

so

okay so we'll start off with what has

mentioned first which was the idea that

well are there some people in china that

would uh have these things like lgbt

rights and other stuff as an issue yeah

but is it the majority no well the thing

about rights is that they exist to

protect those that are directly affected

right so if for example the right to not

be arrested in the middle of the night

without a warrant that's a thing that

you should care about and defend even if

you're not the one that the police are

coming to tonight to arrest likewise

with lgbt rights just because you're not

gay doesn't mean that you shouldn't

support them this is about liberalism

this is about the enlightenment this is

about the idea of humanism the idea that

all people have dignity and should have

equal protection under the law something

that doesn't exist in communist china uh

has mentioned that well the chinese

people are more patriotic now and

everything they're more brainwashed

enlarged to support the party that's

true now a lot of people don't buy the

party's propaganda but hundreds of

millions of people do uh you could say

the same thing about north korea that

doesn't mean that they're not an enemy

that doesn't mean that the regime is not

to be removed from power and the people

liberated you can liberate people uh who

would be better off uh liberated even if

they say right now that they're against

that obviously i mean they're they

literally live with a gun to their head

and even if they even if they have their

own volition say that they support the

regime if they were to see the

alternative with their own eyes with

free access to information they would

obviously choose the west the west

offers the highest standard of living

the highest uh dignification of humanity

and the best rights for everybody and

additionally to get to the final point

about the weaker genocide uh so we have

satellite photos documenting this we

have uh interviews of those who have

been in the camps or have family that

are in the camps we have video footage

showing the camps i don't see how we can

deny that two million people have been

detained against their will that's just

not something that you can cover up in

this era hitler had a hard time covering

up the holocaust and we have access to

satellites now so how how can you deny

this how can you say that there's no

proof of this yet you you throw around

accusations that they're working with al

qaeda which you obviously have no proof

for so

and again i've also said if they did

terrorism against the party that's

they're justified to do it they're

defending themselves

oh boy okay you done kevin

uh right now yeah yeah so kevin

um

first of all

the point is that i just mentioned that

those individual exceptions are not

being persecuted within china so that

was the whole point but it's interesting

that you develop this

contradiction on the one hand you want

absolute rights uh unconditional rights

to protect minorities right the western

contrived view of rights it actually

doesn't come from renaissance humanism

it comes from anglo-saxon metaphysics in

the 17th century but that's regardless

where it came from shut the [ __ ] up shut

the [ __ ] up i'm gonna start interrupting

you in your turns too okay

we're gonna see how you like it but

anyway i've been doing it all night yeah

so no i haven't i let you talk that

whole [ __ ] diatribe you just did i

let you talk so second of all

um

china doesn't focus on abstract

unconditional rights because in actual

material reality no rights are

unconditional china focuses more on the

content of rights westerners claim that

they want the right to freedom and

liberty things that have no substantive

content things that have no um

determinate being to the right to be

what the right to do what china's a

country that is attuned to what its

people are and to who it is so it

doesn't need to create abstractly

negative

negatively contrived abstract formal

rights that are applied in every

circumstance and situation because china

is a living and it's a country ruled by

a living people and not a dead doctrine

not a dead letter

so it's really important we understand

we're talking about just because there

are no absolute rights within china

doesn't mean the government acts

arbitrarily it acts according to the

determinate content and it being of the

chinese people themselves conceived not

at the sum total of individual atoms but

as a real civilizational and collective

being

um

now you mentioned regarding this

business of

the oyger uh genocide so-called oigo

genocide that you have satellite photos

and so on but if you actually evaluate

the content of those satellite photos

they don't prove the existence of any of

the claims made by those claiming the

voyagers are being subject to a genocide

you have the establishment of schools

and institutions and buildings and

centers and factories things that are

completely removed from the subject

whatsoever have been by satellite photos

been accused of being you know um

concentration camps and there's many

cases of this there's many

inconsistencies

and holes plot holes and all the various

claims being made that so-called justify

the claim of an oil genocide finally the

idea that you're saying there's no

connection between the etim separatists

and al qaeda there's no proof of this

connection it's just about the most

laughably stupid and uninformed [ __ ]

thing i've heard in like a month i mean

even american state department would

have to admit that yes there does exist

a connection between the two which is

why the etim

used to be listed as a designated

terrorist organization not just by china

but by the united states of america

because of its affiliations and ties to

al-qaeda so

i really can't believe how you could say

such an uninformed and ignorant thing

when it's like self-evident to everyone

that yes al-qaeda has been working in

xinjiang that there are connections

between oyger separatists and al qaeda i

mean it's like no one has ever denied

that except you to the extent of my

knowledge

you you would claim basically that all

the uyghurs are working with al-qaeda

it's like okay there's

are working with al qaeda i said a tiny

minority of separatists who do not

represent the majority of voyagers were

working with al qaeda and that's a fact

okay well on that point they're

justified in doing so and in that

particular case of of weakers versus the

ccp al-qaeda's on the good side so okay

they're on the bad side against america

all i did kevin was point out the irony

of a person calling themselves a neocon

worshiping i don't call myself a new

yorker okay whatever you worship

as a model the bush era of

interventionalist unilateral uh politics

well guess what i mean like the bush

euro was defined by the war on terror

and osama bin laden was the primary

villain of the bush era so it's just

really funny yeah the same that you're

trying to like rep that and at the same

time it's coming full circle and it

turns out like you're best friends with

osama bin laden no no no he's friends

with that [ __ ]

i can recognize i can

yeah the consequence of what al qaeda

does against the ccp is a net good but

what they do

listen

what they do elsewhere

i get that you support them against the

ccp

anyone who grew up during the war on

terror like me

and who's like familiar with what to

find the bush here it's a see a

self-proclaimed uh liberal hawk as if

you're calling yourself now i know all

the anarchists have special snowflake

terms to see someone like that

uh identify with uh say that they

support al-qaeda it's just [ __ ]

hilarious

if that's not ironic to you then

i don't support al qaeda against the

west i i support wiegers doing whatever

they can to free themselves of their

oppression if i was oppressed

let me ask you if i was impressed

in uh east turkestan basically in that

region and you look at the the the

detainees by the millions that you deny

that's why you're supporting

you deny this mass detention yet it is a

thing it is documented there are

interviews and we have satellites you

took issue with the satellites except

okay satellites don't prove anything on

their own

but augmenting other evidence they can

paint a picture of what's unfolding on

the ground there's absolutely no

evidence ef no but that's not true has

yeah there is you don't even believe

that and

i know you support that's the thing

kevin kevin you're you're supposed to i

lived there yeah if i lived there and

this was being done to me and my people

you can bet you i'd be working with i

would work with the russians if they are

so let me ask you a question would you

do it if you were living in uh gaza

if i was in gaza what do you mean

like if you were living under the

conditions in gaza would you would you

also do the same thing you're saying now

yeah i would work i would support israel

i would work with israel to get rid of

them no no you would have to support the

palestinian terrorists escort as you

would call it no no because israel is

the liberator i care about that i care

about the relationship

are the people who talk about guys

gaza

gaza is oppressed by hamas not by his

bank what about the west bank israel

hamas building settlements in the west

bank and taking people out of their

homes

not hamas the west bank is impressed by

the palestinian authority so who's who's

building settlements and kicking people

out of their homes is it i support a

one-state solution like everybody would

be better off under israel i'm not

asking okay then everyone will be better

under china

liberation it's not you don't care about

national liberation don't come at me

with a business standard if i was living

in shenzhen i wouldn't do anything by

any means necessary

you're just against china

so-called civilization is on the decline

you just hate china you don't care about

muslims you don't care about it

this is [ __ ] you know

it's not [ __ ] [ __ ] not no

standard to support liberalism

what is so liberal about israel's

actions in palestine nothing wait are

you kidding me liberalism is like my

criticism

enough

they're not actually hawkish enough on

fighting the pa and hamas yeah you're an

anarchist we get it no no no here's the

thing

no i don't have to want a multi-polar

order one is emerging objectively i'm

just thinking oh yeah and i'm and i'm

here to try to argue for americans

to deserve its hegemony

no i was just saying it's not a double

standard to support the west in both

cases it's it's not so i'm against hamas

and hamas is the one oppressing the

palestinian people and just as it's the

case in

uh east turkestan or xinjiang it's the

ccp that's oppressing the uyghur people

and it's the west and

and allied forces they're trying to

liberate them it's not a double standard

to support uh one group that does bad

things here but does good things

elsewhere you can support a group in one

case and be against them in another case

that's not a contradiction no it's

solely tcc

standard i'm anti-al-qaeda i'm mounting

al-qaeda but i don't blame wiegers for

doing what they can because the west

simply hasn't offered enough support to

them

why is that yeah because

there's such a neoliberal corporate in

contrast

yeah

you live in america why don't you live

i want to build the communist party in

this country but anyway

you're a trader okay that's why you live

in america okay yeah well i'm not

breaking any laws so good luck so anyway

kevin yeah not yet so we'll see what

happens anyway kevin

without america so uh yeah

and maybe that's about the liberal order

you're not even american you're not even

american you're not even gonna we're

debating the world

canada is a part of the west

in the west the west is not a country

anyway what's so hilarious wait when did

i argue it was a country we're talking

about the western

because i live in the west but i support

the west how does that make any sense i

support western interests and i live in

the west that's consistent

chinese

is it's a completely different situation

are not having their hands evicted

they're not being [ __ ] placed in an

open air prison like gaza you talk about

concentration crap guys is the biggest

[ __ ] conversation on earth

you think it's such a wonderful leg

don't move you think it's so wonderful

your volume or something is really quiet

yeah well you know it's like actually

really hard can you guys hear him i mean

really no uh todd it's like his volume

is like really quiet

maybe um i don't know if it's your mic

sitting or something but um we're gonna

get to the q and a uh you guys and

uh as you said you had to be somewhere

at a certain time too right

yep

yeah all right so why don't we just get

jump right into the q a um

because yeah um

all right let's see here from cg said uh

thanks todd bernie it's great that a

canadian neocon and air communists think

they know what is best for china and

america peak content okay

um no i don't i'm not a neocon

i'm an american so i'm allowed to talk

about america

you're an american that roots for the

enemy you're literally a fifth caller

the american

westerner that roots for the west

you're an enemy of the american people

yeah you root for the enemies of the

american people i root for the allies of

the american people you're a communist

yeah you're an ironic communists are

here for you you've described yourself

as a stalinist stalin wanted to nuke

america so

defend it no he didn't and that's only

to defend himself against the

pre-emptive strike operation unthinkable

which the allies were planning against

which should have happened

so shut the [ __ ] up you don't represent

you

communists represent love

the communists

you're getting dominated no one can even

what an absolute beta

default on the loans issued to them by

china which they probably will yeah

there's a precedence of countries

defaulting on loans or just telling

china they can't pay back the loans and

china works with them china has never

threatened them militarily or done

anything coercive in relationship to

that so there's precedence of countries

defaulting on loans or just telling

china they cannot pay back these loans

so there's already precedent for that so

it's probably going to be the same as

those other countries

and so they become a de facto chinese

colony no they don't because a colony

actually is when a country owns your

territory and has executive control

colonialism

okay you're talking about you say you

defend the west when the west is the

only premier neocolonial power on earth

it's like france has

francis

okay so how would you describe it how

would you describe france's relationship

to west africa

i don't support it okay well i don't

actually consider france to be much of

an ally i just want to be there that's

part of the west

well well okay they're internally sure

but outwardly they they often

really i thought you were talking about

the west

west

france is part of this dude [ __ ] france

yeah they're as much a part of the west

as pakistan no they're not okay so

they're just as much part of the west as

uh canada so i don't know what you're

talking about that's [ __ ] because

you're not talking about the west

anglo-saxon countries

when canada intervened in africa it was

for humanitarian interests

sure it was

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how can kevin justify supporting

al-qaeda how can you say you're pro-west

and support the people who did 9 11 and

have killed many western people

yeah so yeah so about that uh i'm

specific here it's not a contradiction

it's kind of like saying how can you

support the soviets against hitler but

you're also against the soviets it's

like well we have bigger enemies to fry

right now communist shine is aiming

nukes in america al qaeda does not al

qaeda is an enemy in pakistan al qaeda

is an enemy against the us and canada

al-qaeda is an enemy in afghanistan he

talks about the threats

which is going to be awards

because he can't handle a serious

resource no you got b

like at what point are you gonna just

sign a contract and become a porn star

because it seems like you you just enjoy

deep throating objects so much dude

because you need to be dominated

you only know the language of force you

can't be

something yeah is did support operation

on think about the right so don't talk

about the flood of china just defending

itself with nukes when you're the

aggressor here no no i'm an

anti-communist

yeah you're the aggressor

no no

i can be against china having nukes but

four minutes

defend itself

and they don't want anything liberal i'm

not a communist

yeah

when are you actually going to try

actually listening for once well you're

telling me that the guy who kept

interrupting me

dude because right now you're operating

who can't help but interrupt

all right so um i don't know who this is

but they're writing some good stuff to

you do you know who this is kevin

this oh this right here that that is an

account that is an account that has

spammed my phone number ducks my phone

number spammed my phone number with

harassment no numerous occasions you

know no one cares

as well no one cares no one cares

yeah so

i love the projection this guy's

accusing me of doing doxing we don't do

doxing in my community this guy has no

evidence we don't do doxing this guy and

some of his friends that have spammed

frivolous copyright claims against my

channel are a bunch of these stupid

reactionary uh neocon uh loser hawks

that are pissed that there's a liberal

hawk that's actually out here

representing interventionism well they

send their basement and jerk it to

hentai because they have no lives and

they eat mom's hot pockets and so he has

to go and accuse me of doing a dox when

this guy somebody who docks my workplace

docks my phone number and docks my

friends houses and in fact tried to get

one of my friends arrested tried to try

to make up [ __ ] on one of my friends

to get the swat team to come to his

house and now he's accusing me of doing

doxing

our community has literally kicked

people out for the threat of doxxing in

the past you can look that up we

actually did kick out a guy alex r who

threatened to dox my opponents and we

kicked him out even though he was uh

trying to help me we we kicked him out

because we don't condone

look at this clown child

oh just losing and booze and snoozing

and boozing

china has flaws like one child

which is leading to more old people and

shrinking population

um they just recently reversed the one

child policy but yeah i don't know i i'm

not going to get into chinese people's

business but

yeah i mean for america i i wouldn't

want anything like that for america but

china was a different country it had

different developmental needs and you

know but they they are reversing the

policy you know and it's not a one-pile

child policy anymore but um yeah there

are democratic demographic issues facing

all

developed and advanced countries but i

think if anyone is uniquely tasked to

deal with this issue and confront it is

the chinese communist party

so i'm confident that they're going to

be able to reverse their

uh any impending demographic crisis i i

i love that it exposes the double

standard where haas is like well no i

wouldn't want that in my backyard but

for children well they have a state so

they can do their own thing yeah that's

relativism so it's freedom for me but

not for thee so it means that the

chinese people rule the chinese people

and that i don't know i don't think

that's people well actually we have to

get into the theory of governance and

statehood and how a state actually

represents its people it's obviously not

theories

it sounds like you have a hard time

it's not the individual atoms just

directly to controlling themselves but

the fact is like i'm not going to decide

what policies the chinese people

preserve because that would require me

an american to exert the power of

america to rule over the chinese people

and not

liberate yeah sure yeah just like that's

just like the nazis liberated east

europe all right we get it removed

or that you have double standards you

spoke of the need for people to have

absolute rights for minorities

is

but at the same time

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okay

all right thank you um and how something

the way you're talking it's really hard

to understand what you're saying but

okay from pf john

does haas support gay marriage what

about legalizing weed just trying to

gauge his personal beliefs on social

issues

um i'm not against it but

i don't think it should be forced on any

people i think i believe in the

sovereignty of countries and the

sovereignty of nations and states so

it's up to the people living in those

countries now in america uh the country

i live in i'm not against it i will not

pose uh resistance to it

but you know that's i'm not too

interested in sexual politics in general

yeah because he he's not affected by it

so isn't that great he's not affected by

it it doesn't personally affect him

dude you sound like one of those dumb

republican voters who doesn't care about

something until it personally affects

them absolutely i think that's how most

human beings are in general they they

stay in their own lane and they focus on

what's in their business that's that's

not true though that's an absolute

mischaracterization

you are you are such a

dude liberator are just because you're a

solipsism so so first of all when china

acts on behalf of the chinese

yeah when china intervenes on behalf of

its people it's a dictatorship when

kevin intervenes on behalf of everyone

in the world it's liberation that's what

it is ironically yes literally yeah

that's literally how it works no it's

not literally how it works you just

voted for anyone no one voted but no one

voted for you

all right so from from kgp

kevin as a self-proclaimed liberal

warhawk would you be willing to join the

military and fight factions like the

taliban yourself yeah so i've been asked

this question a ton of times i've got

videos that i've made going over this

what are you joining the military though

it's a non-argument it's basically the

same thing

you refuse to live under the

consequences of what you support you

refuse to live under the consequence of

what you support

no no you're the coward you're the one

you're the one advocating for america to

be like

so to answer this uh stupid question so

to answer this question i get asked this

a lot dude shut the [ __ ] up dude shut up

[ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up somebody

so i can actually

are you mad

are you mad spiderman is gonna do this

answer these questions yeah mute haws

okay just go ahead and say what you're

gonna say

yeah so basically uh it's like saying to

somebody oh well you support the

legalization of marijuana but you're not

a uh you're not a judge you don't work

in the court system so therefore how can

you have an opinion on that oh you're

against crime but you're not a police

officer how can you have an opinion on

that uh likewise here oh you have

opinions on international relations but

you're not a soldier which by the way

that doesn't even work because being a

soldier and being a foreign policy

analyst or being a foreign policy uh uh

content creator

are two different fields you could do

both you could do one you could do the

other the skills that go into being a

soldier the skills that go into uh

studying international relations are two

different they're literally two

different fields as far as to answer the

question of well what about the fight

against the taliban what difference

would it make like let's say that i

joined the military tomorrow are we

going to liberate north korea and the

taliban no canada pulled out in 2014. so

how like it literally wouldn't make a

difference so in terms of the material

difference of what that would do it

would do literally jack [ __ ] i can do

more here changing people's minds than i

would uh trying to learn a new skill to

go and fight the taliban when we're not

even fighting the tower whose mind is

changing

so whose minds am i changing

people every week dude i like building a

weekend i'm gonna be doing this for like

50 years how many people how many people

are you changing how many

800 people are watching me

he deep throats his mic as he gets off

to the west's face we're getting

dominated that's what it's like to be

dominated no you got nuke you got nuked

you're not dominated dude you gotta

dominate all right all right all right

yeah absolutely new absolutely new all

right

significant amount of his time and

energy protecting gay and trans people

in his server and community what the

[ __ ] have you done kevin

what have i done wait hold on a second

he uses all kinds of uh well even if not

himself i've seen the people in his

discord using homophobic remarks for

example that they they was against me as

i've been there before this was months

ago there's a lot of homophobia

reductionism and at the end of the day

at the end of the day he'll even tell

you he really doesn't care or stand in

solidarity he said class reductionism

he doesn't

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no care he thinks it's a big joke as far

as what have i done as far as what have

i done i've been promoted i've promoted

the uh

and the empowerment of sexual minorities

around the world from afghanistan

and this guy here he's all about his

communism but he will not go and live in

china he will know why not i live in

china i live in china prove it prove it

dude prove it [ __ ] prove it i can't

get citizenship they don't want me

they don't want me they go and live in a

different dictatorship go and live in a

different dictatorship get the [ __ ] out

of the west what what will i do for them

that you don't support i'm trying to

make america a common list so yeah yeah

yeah so you're a fifth column your fifth

column and we should recognize you as

the enemy okay so we live in canada you

live in canada focus on your own country

[ __ ] kidding me dude we live in

canada people we've kissed people out of

our community you live in canada bigotry

towards everybody

i actually support lgbt people in china

haas does not he says he doesn't give a

[ __ ] about not true support you said you

didn't support support

what do you mean

let's move on we got all right

from black lennon question for kevin do

you deny the labor aristocracy what do

you think of it

uh define the labor aristocracy like

that seems like such a larpy term that

seems like such a larp economy term like

labor aristocracy

is that the petty bourgeoisie

oh look at this dude look at this dude

he's too afraid to go and live in a

dictatorship

too afraid to go and live in the

one does your dictatorships number that

number you posted was telemarketer

number um

yeah that's [ __ ] i've gotten uh

numbers from dozens upon dozens of

different spoof phone numbers leaving

schizophrenic demonic voice messages

with the voice of that dude kansas

earlier that exact voice you're gonna

try to tell me that it was a

telemarketer who said oh the neolibs

we're coming to your store tomorrow

that's [ __ ] that's [ __ ] that's

not a telemarketer so stop trying to

gaslight me and stop trying to get us

like the audience [ __ ] [ __ ]

uh spp if people reject human rights and

the western liberalism would you be

willing to treat them as equals

it sounds um it sounds as if you s it

sounds as if unless they adopt your

values your view

but you view them bad

yeah so people don't reject human rights

regimes speak on behalf yes they do they

do actually no no no no that's [ __ ]

dude you're like you're so

unbelievably unhealthy

was not addressed at you so calm the

[ __ ] down

so they answer the question they answer

the question shut the [ __ ] up to answer

the question

shut the [ __ ] up the question

was asking dude you're the one who

literally wants to live under a dick

but won't do it himself because then he

loses gaming pc and all that kind of

[ __ ] i don't know

so

you you're the one who was like oh we

want a five thousand dollar gaming pc

you literally said that i don't scream

are you [ __ ] used to a channel for

six hours that's literally not zooming

and dooming no it isn't that's literally

not absolutely true

it was on your nomadic communism

i paid 5 000. no that's what you said

that's what i did

rejecting human rights so people don't

reject human rights nobody's about to be

tortured in the middle of the night and

says i don't want western habeas corpus

that's not a thing that happens

dictators like kim and she and the

ayatollah they s they claim to speak for

their people and say no we don't want

that that's not for our people our

people are too stupid for democracy

that's like what xi jinping will say but

that's not he doesn't say that not but

that's not a legitimate statement he

never said it's actually representing

their people yes they're working over

their people and look at the opinion

surveys of the chinese

the idea that chinese people yeah and

communist backed studies don't count no

they're not communists back they're

yeah and there are there are economies

that work in in higher academia

so communists are the ones okay there

are sympathizers with china in various

parts is that a russian conspiracy

theory

from a russian movement

answer the question as far as answer the

question that was posed to me and not

pose to haws a people

people do not reject human rights their

oppressors speak for them and say they

don't want that here and then

westphalian deep throat mike mike deep

throaters like haws will say oh it's

their west family the evidence says the

contrary the evidence says the contrary

if you want to talk about me then i'm

here to talk

i haven't finished your point

why are you talking

been brainwashed since they were born to

parents so they didn't say their brain

was but they didn't support it

they do support it

he conceded on the point he conceded

rights and that means you have to remove

regimes from powers

you have to remove regimes from

not a powerful

thing i do not recognize their

sovereignty sovereignty can be earned

and it can be forfeited the ccp

forfeited their sovereignty they do not

have a legitimate voice here and

brainwashed people that say that under

threat of death are not somebody that

you would ask a serious opinion to

they're hostages and they must be

liberated so it's really as simple as

that

yeah they're under threat of death guys

well yeah literally and you deny the

stupid

genocide arrested journalists in 2020 in

the world um so how can you believe

their polls when they control the press

internally yeah it has the most arrested

journalists but those journalists don't

number that high in numbers and second

of all

who says journalists are a sacred class

that cannot violate laws journalists who

smear and spread misinformation i'm not

the evidence doesn't say that they're

being tortured and murdered but that's

the most yeah listen listen i want you i

want you to say i want you to i want

people to understand something look at

him it's pathetic too i just defended

jailing journalists because i'm like an

edge lord but china doesn't do that it

doesn't really jail journalists it just

has the most journalists imprisoned in

the world because

drama china has the most people in the

world no it's a higher per capita it's a

higher per capita rate than ever what's

the rating per capita give me the

specific number

we can look that up right now

journalists per capita arrested

because i know it's russia and china are

like right near the top

per capita

we'll try to find this we'll try to find

this so let's see

i think move on to this next question

so eritrea is number one that makes a

lot of sense uh who else is there so

eritrea

we've got syria iran

we've got

um where else is there oh turkey

so it's not the most

well no china's in there um

so

uh you you're wrong you just conceded

it's not the most no no no did

is second on the list even if one

journalist even if one truth is

on the list

israel is second dominant and you

skipped it even israel is second on the

left

is

look bad let's just smear he is real oh

[ __ ] you dude it was from the study you

pulled up you said china had the most

[ __ ] uh jail journalists per capita

and it doesn't say they had the most i

didn't say that yes you did the person

who wrote the comments said that they

had the most i was saying that they

imprisoned journalists and torture and

murder them you know you initially

denied it but then you said well no if

they do it

it's okay it's not even at a high level

no it's not they don't

but the point is

how do they how do they torture and kill

them which journalists are trying to

kill

which journalist did china kill just

like in russia name the name of the

journalist

which journalist was killed by china

what's generous we're not talking about

russia right now we talk about russia if

you want like in russia which we could

talk about russia too but which

journalist was killed in china

dude for being a journalist

i don't have the names right now you're

talking about your eyes because you're

talking out of your eyes

but then you say that you don't actually

care because uh other countries do it

and because well china's gonna do what i

said what i said [ __ ]

is that other countries are claimed to

have freedom of expression like israel

but are higher on the list as far as per

capita china at the moment as well as of

2020 had 47 journalists in prison oh my

god

no no

you don't care because it's a 10.4

billion point is by the way 1.4 it's so

crazy because that's you admitting you

don't actually care about rights you

just care about ah well if it's a small

number

under

you don't actually believe in rights for

everybody you just believe there's no

such thing as torture rights for

everyone doesn't exist in america

what the [ __ ]

okay

um all right so i want to move on to

this question and then i want to we're

gonna we're gonna end it so i'm getting

a headache um all right so

from cg

iraq elected for no human rights afghans

fought 20 years against human rights

syria and venezuela protected themselves

from american rights

okay so this is a troll but we could

answer it oh it's factual no no that's

yeah you're you're an absolute gullible

goober you're a gullible

you're you're a gullible goober if you

believe that

you lost an fbi

that's [ __ ] no no no we didn't lose

enough gas then biden's a weakling who

pulled out the american was not defeated

biden just lost scared to go and just

leave the world of fighting and gave him

a [ __ ] trump chicken no that's [ __ ]

america could still be there

absolutely nothing absolutely nothing so

a question

question can you bring the question up

again um yeah let me see if i can pull

it out but you know this has here

yourself down um unbelievable i think it

might be too far up i can pull it up

another way though hold on

um yeah because i forgot what the

question was asking yeah okay and then

and then we're going it wasn't a

question

yeah um we're going to do closing

scenarios stupid statement but i forgot

what it said

what were they saying they said iraq

election

iraq elected for no human rights afghans

fought 20 years against human rights

syria and venezuela protected themselves

from american human rights yeah that's

unbelievable so we'll go one by one so

he robbed we don't have time no no shut

the [ __ ] up i'm answering it's not a

question it wasn't a question answer no

no but that's a [ __ ] it's not me no

no no no but that's a [ __ ] statement

so we're just getting let that's not

[ __ ] i'm going to debate you

speaking i'm not going to i'm not going

to beat you

shut up

so so the point about iraq iraq

has been subverted by iraq

it's an election it was a free and fair

election

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no one cares if you agree or not

so as far as iraq iraq was subverted by

iran iran had been invaded and liberated

in 2003 as well as far as syria

eight million people fled and had to

flee and risk their lives to try to get

human rights away from syria they rose

up against assad the west supported that

as far as venezuela they're starving to

death and they're moving out of the

country right now or fighting as far as

the point about um afghanistan it was 80

000 taliban fighters fought the america

not human rights by america and the rest

of the country is lorded over by that's

30 seconds like there was any

imperialism against

[ __ ] that's all [ __ ]

he just lied out of the receivers

several times

all right

we're gonna um end this now so um

we're gonna give you guys each two

minutes uninterrupted uninterrupted all

right um kevin do you want to go first

sure yeah i'll go first uh so basically

what we've seen tonight is that uh haws

over here is basically he's an unironic

tanky who has said in this debate that

he

does not care when i point out instances

of how communist china is anathema to

freedom he'll say well that's not what

the majority want he'll always use

maternity of the majority argument when

it's not even a really good argument

because the majority aren't able to

actually have their voices heard anyway

because at the end of the day the

communist party is about 10 or fewer of

the country and the elites in the party

lord over everybody else and if you

don't play game uh then you don't get

alive basically and you don't make it

and right now they're conducting a

genocide uh where they have forcibly

sterilized women they've detained over

two million people and we in the west in

contrast are at islands of freedom uh

contrast against continents of slavery

and particularly led by china right now

the west is worth fighting for the west

is worth promoting the west is worth

spreading to all corners of the world

because we are the only system that

guarantees you no matter what you

believe no matter where you're born uh

human rights uh democracy freedom and

the ability to prosper or fail under

capitalism i support a safety net but

this idea that all landlords has at one

point said oh but those are landlords

it's like yeah landlords are people too

okay i mean hot take but

unbelievable uh i believe in a free

market system uh the system in the west

has been proven to be the best and this

is evidenced by the successes that china

has had on an economic level were only

enabled because we decided to do

business with them now i supported nixon

doing business with them because they

were useful ally against soviet union

but after the soviets collapsed they

should have become the new enemy but the

neoliberal establishment here refused to

do so because they wanted cheap child

labor so we in the west need to start

acting in our interests not in corporate

interests and actually get serious about

combating china economically so that it

doesn't come to a world war we made them

we enrich them and we can end them and

we can blockade them and we can bankrupt

them and we can liberate them to a

democratic liberal order so thank you

for tuning in subscribe to me on twitch

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you can follow me on kevin castle on

twitter

um so i guess the closing statement is

this was a unanimous unambiguous victory

for infrared he got absolutely blown the

[ __ ] out there's no question there's no

debate about that but this is a quick

closing statement i think kevin is a

really good example of the fact that the

question of the victory of

multi-polarity over unit polarity and

over of over liberalism in general it's

not actually a question of uh

contrasting discrete moral positions it

actually shows that liberalism is

collapsing under the weight of its own

contradictions and the only evidence we

need to see that is the fact that kevin

while claiming to be an advocate for the

so-called values of liberalism as at

least as it was conceived in modern

europe and in the modern west as we know

it

has to go above and beyond to transgress

and violate the most basic liberal

values of national self-determination

and sovereignty when kevin speaks about

how he wants to impose his specific

world view on the entire peoples of the

world regardless of what they think and

regardless of what their say in the

matter is and he even wants to go out of

his way to engage in a kind of nuclear

holocaust against them he doesn't sound

like a liberal anymore he sounds like

he's adolf hitler

he has the passion and bombast of what

anyone could clearly recognize was is a

fascist uh kevin claims

that i don't care about the rights of

the people living in china but the axiom

of a people being able to have any

rights whatsoever um is that a people

can act as a people can be sovereign as

a people and the organ and form of that

sovereignty is a state as specifically

as

a people state which china is one of the

uniquely

uh one of the only

people states on planet earth it's a

people's republic it's a republic that

is specifically defined for the purpose

and aims not of defending abstract

sacred rights but

for the uh interests of the overwhelming

majority of the chinese people

themselves

um

kevin

kept trying to interrupt me i wanted to

have this debate be more or less a

little bit civil but it got to a point

where kevin kept interrupting me so

persistently and so often

that i just had to come to the

realization that this is a person who

only understands the language of force

and dominance and in that regard he was

absolutely dominated and was absolutely

forced to concede on every substantive

point of contention whether he's willing

to admit that after the debate

or not the fact of the matter is that

american unipolarity is on decline we're

entering a multipolar world and the west

is no longer going to be the leader uh

of the entire globe in the world we have

the chinese civilization the russian

civilization the islamic civilization

brazilian and latin american

civilization as well as europe itself in

contrast to america which are emerging

as polls who represent different peoples

with different interests

um

and the old era of european colonialism

is done uh it's as simple as that

all right

thank you guys um

so for people that are watching we do

have people what we're doing lately is

we are labeling blood sport debaters so

if there is blood sports and they both

are okay with it we'll let that go

people are not wanting blood sports

debates we'll step in a little bit more

so um these two are obviously blood

sports debaters so we kind of let them

go at it

um

other than that thank you guys both for

coming on the poll is up in our

community section so you guys can go

vote on who you think won

um and tomorrow night we have a debate

forget what it is on i'm gonna omni

um raid me um yeah i'm going to be going

on a show but yeah we could use it all

right so i'm going to be doing a post

show too so yeah are you on

i'm not on twitch yet i'll be going live

in about five minutes all right so i'm

gonna radio and

um we are out and we will see you guys

tomorrow night and i believe 9 p.m

eastern so good night all right bye-bye

good night people take it easy thank you