Haz vs Renarchat | InfraredShow Debate
2021-08-27
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demon
so we're gonna debate about this chat
first thing is your thesis
that you forwarded you said that that
image is everything you hate about
communist movements in america
what's that
okay what else
well i
i think actually you're g
you're just scared
what am i scared of
you [Β __Β ] you literally
added your your discord server twice
just to
just because you were being released
i'll tell you why
i'll tell you
you're not chat you're not special our
infrared collective
this image was shared one year ago and
our infrared collective saw how all the
people just like you were ratioing the
original image and we were so depressed
and despaired about it but we are not
going to allow that to happen again so i
am using the infrared platform to avenge
the beautiful works of fun
you are moulding on
twitter.com you started streaming
you are a demon you are the force of
evil the light shall prevail
oh yeah yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yes
demon shaytan
shaitaan
you're just scared shaitaan i'm not
scared we have the power of the people
on our side you're a [Β __Β ] evil demon
the enemy of the people shaitaan
shaitaan
will not win i'm winning so far i'm
winning we are ahead of you your [Β __Β ]
your ratio has not succeeded you have
not succeeded we're ahead of you i'm
going to get it to 1 000 likes 1 000
likes we will prevail shaytan
so shaytan let me ask you a question
shaytan shaytan shaytan you want listen
demon demon you hate this fact about the
american communist movements so what do
you think will be more successful in
winning the masses in america smiting
the american flag and calling it
colonizer or
and being a cat boy or the fond one on
patch which one
the what path
jesse what the [Β __Β ] are you are you
racist against chinese people
no yes you are you're a racist
well you are racist 2016 social justin
war your social justice warrior with
green hair
that's what you're selling right now
which is you this is me
i'll tell you what i never dyed my hair
ever you're a racist
i'm racist yes against chinese people
you're racist i mentioned phan wanan's
name a chinese name and you mocked it
what a racist
i just never heard of it no you're
racist he's the by the way why do you
hate chinese people's artwork so much
no no it's it's actually pretty fine
hard artwork oh really
wait you said this is what you hate
about western communists and yet it's a
chinese community
i can recognize that something is good
looking without agreeing with it oh yeah
you said this is everything you hate
about western communists but western
commons
okay you think that's the aesthetic of
western communists that photo
yeah well it depends what kind of
communist then why is it that a chinese
communist is the one who drew it
i don't know or care i don't know i
can't i want us to be more western i
don't want us to be more chinese we
should be more western right
you're doing your little baby voice
because yeah you're a baby because china
is the only successful communist country
on earth and yes we need to get on our
[Β __Β ] knees and bow to them as our
[Β __Β ]
the people who are smarter than us wiser
to us we have to learn everything from
china and you're trying to say no now we
should be more we should we should have
cat ears instead
you are
shame to the communist movement
what communist movement are you talking
about which one
the one where that rules over 1.4
billion people in china which communist
[Β __Β ] movement are you talking about
what history of communism are you
talking about all the real history of
communism came from marxist leninist
came from the cpusa in america there's
no history of communism in america
outside the communist party what
communism go ahead
i don't even know what you're talking
about insane
what communism movement what
communication movement
what communist movements
they would discredit you because you
look insane which question would you
look like which communist movement i
look insane
why do you want to be another species i
look insane i don't have cat ears
i kn
wow
i'm insane and you want to transform the
american people into cats
i never said any of that really
but you're that you're the model for the
future of communism right so we all must
be like you
we should be like you right
you're saying everyone should follow
your model like the soy woods that you
have i'm saying my model will be
objectively more popular and more
successful than yours
which is failures communists are the
most unpopular [Β __Β ] people in the
west because of people like you
you use communism as a vehicle to
realize your personal perverted
fantasies of turning everyone into cats
it will never happen it will never
happen
it will never happen it has you're
insane you're actually insane i'm insane
i'm insane but you have cat ears i'm
insane but you have cats
i don't have kids getting in your real
life
why do you then why do you have cat ears
in your picture if i'm insane why should
it why should you care
why should i care because you have you
have you have a car
you have a disney car listen you have a
creepy disney cartoon cat ear as
what's the correct aesthetic if that
one's the false one what's the what's a
better more correct aesthetic go ahead
i never call you aesthetic false
what
you
you assume things out of the out of
people like that you live in france you
live in france right you live in france
quebec
oh you live in quebec
quebec are they gonna follow you as
their leader
people from quebec
okay you hate everyone in the country
you live in right
yeah yeah
that's why you'll always be a relevant
fringe marginal person we should all be
like you
never be relevant you're saying i'm a
disgrace to the communist movement and
you just admitted you don't think the
communist movement should ever win
no i'm i'm not no i'm saying i'm not a
model
neither are you yes i am no you're a
niche internet micro celebrity no i'm
not nisha i'm on the top
of twitch
i'm at the top 100 of twitch and rising
chat
chat
let's say you're on a train track you're
on a train track right now right and a
train a few weeks ago was or sorry a few
uh minutes ago was a mile away from you
right and now it's 500 feet from you and
you're literally saying oh that train is
never going to catch up with me and it's
never going to run me over and you're so
you're so irrational you stay on the
train track do you know what my rate of
growth is do you know what my rate of
growth is i was
i was a fraction of where i was months
ago i'm rising so [Β __Β ] fast i can't
even keep up with it you really think
i'm a niche micro celebrity i am taking
over the game i am a rising phenomenon
and my beautiful tweet of fun
picture is our stalingrad we are going
to turn the tides of the american left
we are going to turn off
you're on the internet this isn't
stalingrad you're the internet it's
talking to the stalingrad
internet culture war this is the
stalingrad of the internet culture of
the left yes it is
talking to has you're talking to an
irrelevant twitter user and you're
acting like you
you represent you are the representative
you are the perfect representative of
the forces of shaitaan and the forces of
evil and we will prevail
the light will prevail the sun will
prevail the gorillas and suns will
prevail
the night will fall
what the [Β __Β ] are you talking about
that's what i'm saying you're insane i'm
insane i'm insane yeah at least i
believe in humanity and not cats
what the [Β __Β ] are you talking about
having i'm insane i'm insane but you're
playing
so your plan for communism is to turn
everyone into a cat that's your plan no
yes
the only period no yeah and what if
people don't want to be cats
i never said i want you yeah that's your
plan
oh that's your plan for communism your
communism is everyone being a different
animal
no
what's your plan for communism go ahead
what's my plan for communism i have i'll
tell you what i haven't read enough to
know what my plans for communism and
communism and i'm not gonna pretend like
i have one oh oh but but you you know
enough to say that uh that that image is
everything that's wrong with the
american uh communist movement right
yeah so what should the communists be
moving what should it be more like more
like you like cat cat ears
what should it be more like
all i know is that it should be less
like you okay
give me an example of what it should be
more like what should it be more like
give me give me an example of what it
should be more like go ahead what i'm
gonna tell you yeah if every communist
was like you has
we'd be in power would never empower
ever with any kind of communism we would
be in power
if every congress was like you we would
all be in jail no we wouldn't i follow
rules and i follow laws we would be in
power we would be in power if they were
all like me
you're delusional no i'm not delusional
you're the one who wants to be a cat and
i'm delusional never claim that you're
not a cat
cool
and you're you're and
oh yeah
i'm delusional and so according to you
i'm the delusional one but in order to
succeed western communist movements have
to be more like you right
no
then what should they be more like
what's an example what they should be
more like
all you know how to do is critique you
don't have any positive anything right
yeah
yeah you have nothing
so all you do is whine and complain and
[Β __Β ] but you have nothing to offer
what do you have to offer
what's your vision
what is your vision what do you have to
offer
question
what do you have to offer what's your
vision
can you elaborate please
do you have something to offer this
world besides wine and [Β __Β ] and
complain about it do you have a vision
for what the communist movement should
be more like
i don't know what it should be like but
i know what it shouldn't be like so all
you do is whine [Β __Β ] and critique and
complain
offering nothing you have nothing to
offer you're a force of negativity you
are a force of negativity not positivity
cool
yeah
okay you represent death i represent
light you represent darkness i represent
the shining sun i represent truth and
goodness and you represent demons and
evil and lies and evil that's what you
represent you
you don't you don't even make sense yes
i do make sense chat one of the chat
that makes sense
in the chat if it makes sense to you you
want to be a force of negativity you are
evil you are evil you want to suck the
life out of amer western communists you
want to drain them and demoralize them
like a vampire drain them of their life
energy so that they never have hope for
anything they have no positive vision
but all they do all they can they just
be lazy cats like you lazy cats sitting
on the couch bitching and complaining
and whining you want to take their vital
life force life force you want to take
their vital life force and their energy
and suck it all out that's what you want
to do
that's what i am
yes and you are evil you are satanic you
are a demon you are shaped on
that's not that sounds awesome honestly
yeah exactly exactly exactly and i
represent
vital
energy that will awaken people to have
motivation i represent motivation i
represent motivation i represent
motivation
you represent the
that doesn't mean anything
wait and see if it's not gonna mean
nothing
wait and see if it's not gonna be
nothing we will reforge the cp usa and
turn it into a people
isn't it
it's been
it's not popular yet but wait until we
reforge it we are going to reforge it we
are going to revive that trying we are
going to turn
we are going to return that party to its
roots and the word communism will mean
something once again in america you wait
and see i don't care how [Β __Β ] long it
takes that's what we're doing
anything i'm not going to see anything
i'm just going to see you in the damage
what do you want you want to bet on this
what do you want to bet let's do let's
sign a contract i want to sign a legally
enforceable contract with you in five
years
okay in five five years from now if i do
not make this impact
of making an impact and changing the
nature of the cpusa
you have to give your entire life
savings to me you want to bet it
whatever you tire all your life's wealth
all your money in the bank your home
your car everything sign this legally
enforceable contract with me and we'll
bet it
that's dumb
why would it do that you you just said
you're not gonna see anything so you put
your money where your mouth is and bet
on it
i don't do bets that's not what i do
because you don't believe in what you're
saying if you believe what you're saying
is true you should have no trouble
betting on it
even if i was saying 100 of the truth i
wouldn't bet my life
so you don't even believe it no
yeah you know you don't even believe
what you're saying
you don't you don't even believe what i
don't think i've explained to you i
don't do bets it's not what i do because
you don't believe in what you're saying
no because i don't
yeah because you don't
when did i say that again you're making
stuff up
this should be the
according to you western college half
your stream it's just you making up
stuff
according to you according to you
western communists should go outside and
force people to be cats that's your plan
no yeah again you're insane
that's your plan you want to make
everyone a cat your own bubble that's
your that's your that's your plan you
want to force no you want to force all
americans to be cats that's your plan
no i don't even live in america you want
to force everyone in quebec to be a cat
that's why you hate quebec because we
like cats yeah
no i hate quebec is because they're all
racist
what's your ethnicity
i'm white
oh my god a white a white person
complaining about racism
what do you know hey what's my listen
hey hey french colonizer you colonized
my [Β __Β ] people what's my ethnicity
if i remember correctly you're like
turkish oh no my parents are from lubnan
you french colonized my [Β __Β ] country
so i have every reason to hate french
people more than you ever would but
guess what i still don't hate them i
have nothing but love and solidarity for
the french yellow vest fighting to
retake their country that's the
difference between you and me you're a
white guy who hates your people i'm a
lebanese guy who has every reason to
hate french people and i still don't
what does that mean
what does that mean
i don't know what does that mean
i don't know i care
i don't care who are you to talk about
racism
i've experienced a lot of racism by
french people in the past by the way i
still don't know well
yeah i'm sorry that happened so you so
you so let me get this straight you
are too traumatized by quebec racism
even though you're also white you're
just a racism
actually come from a background that is
victim of european and french racism i
can somehow get over it but you a white
a white person can't right
i can get over it but you can't right
and by the way what helps minorities
more when white people say oh i hate all
white people they're racist or when
white people take leadership take
responsibility so that racism among
their own people can be combated because
they're taking leadership and they're
guiding their own people and leading
their own people which one helps
minorities more do you think minorities
wants you you [Β __Β ] think minorities
want you and think you're useful what do
minorities gain from you
okay
okay what do minorities gain from you a
white person bitching about white
people's racism what do they come from
nothing
they're harmed by it
they don't they don't just gain anything
they're harmed by it because instead of
going to work and addressing the
problems of your own people and what
they're doing to uh the indigenous
canadian people and other people instead
of actually working to win your people
and be the leader of your own people you
are literally just throwing yourself
trying to virtue signal to minorities
who don't want you don't care about you
and don't like you
trying to virtually signal victory
no you are virtue signaling you are
virtue signaling yes you are
any other reasons why i dislike my my
people
why why why why why they are annoying
they're annoying so you're better than
everyone no i'm not you're not are you
also annoying are you annoying
yeah and
okay let me ask you a question do you
hate yourself
why would i
well
but you hate everyone else because
they're annoying and you just agreed
you're annoying so what makes you so
special that you're better
i'm not claiming i'm better
you're not so you're you're no different
what gives you the right to hate others
when you're no different
why are you a hater by the way why are
you such a new so
tell me tell me why why do you lefties
and nazis both are motivated by hate
where are we communists are motivated by
love you guys are motivated by hate
explain that to me
well because
because i've experienced [Β __Β ]
oh really i've seen yeah i've seen
people getting [Β __Β ] hidden
i'm a muslim who grew up in america 9 11
generation i grew up in school everyone
hated arabs always was being racist and
[Β __Β ] against me i've experienced [Β __Β ]
but guess what i have nothing but love
in my heart for american people so does
that justify your hatred i don't have
hatred in my heart for uh american
people why are you why is your hatred
justified explain we have different
perspectives
how how what's a different perspective i
went through a lot a lot of racist
bullying growing up and i still have
nothing but love in my heart for the
american people i have no hatred no
hatred for the american people but for
you explain
so what justifies your hatred so what
what can justify your hatred then
explain why you hate and you're a hater
and you hate everyone just like
neo-nazis are why are you motivated by
hatred instead of love go ahead
everybody motivated by hate it's an
aspect of what i believe
why
why you are motivated by hatred you're a
hater you hate why are you so full of
hatred
why are you so full of hatred and evil
what is wrong with you
why hatred and evil nothing justifies
that
you hate the american people you say oh
they're subtler colonialists you didn't
then leave canada you're a settler
colonialist aren't you
yeah then get out of canada and stop
being one
why don't you leave canada
why are you taking advantage of what the
canadian quebec working people they're
feeding you they're putting clothes on
you they're sheltering you you're living
off of them and yet you hate them then
[Β __Β ] leave
what do you mean
if you hate the people that clothe you
feed you and shelter you you are a
disgusting hypocrite so leave if you
don't want to be a center or colonialist
then stop benefiting from settler
colonialism and leave
let me just recollect my thoughts for a
second
stop stealing indigenous people's land
since you hate settler colonialism
you're taking up room and land for go if
you live in a house or apartment you can
make an arrangement to literally give
homeless indigenous people your house
and your apartment and you can go back
to europe
why don't you do that why do you hate
indigenous according to your own logic
there's more than
give the indigenous people your home
give them your property
i don't have any property
so you where do you live
in a house an apartment where you live
i live in the house which is my house
give the indigenous your house that's
not your house settler colonialist give
them your house
you're taking an argument and taking i'm
like what right do you have to hate your
own people
if you are doing the same thing they're
doing you have the option to be better
than them chat go give an indigenous
person your house
there's a lot of indigenous homeless
people where you live so go give them
your house they can live there give them
the deed to your house that's their
house it's their land right i like it
it's not my house dumbass whose house is
it
take a guess your parents
yeah then do everything in your power
to move to europe and give the uh
indigenous people there that house
that's what your duty is that is your
moral duty you have a moral duty to make
sure that your parents sign over the
deed of that house to the indigenous
people and if your parents refuse to do
that then they're evil settler
colonialists and you have to develop
this
wait wait why are you allied
this is like saying that that i'm
causing climate change because i'm not
recycling this is the same noise it's
not it's not chad
it's not it's literally not
this is about systems you know we know
not chat because guess what if you want
to stop or make any political change you
have to win the people that's the axiom
if you say you hate the people then you
have to be a better person than the
people so what you have to do chat is
you have to stop living with subtler
colonialists who won't give the home and
give land back and you need to move get
out of quebec do everything in your
power to get out of quebec move back to
france
and then you could just live in france
as if france is any better but fran okay
what are the french colonialists in
france themselves
where are europeans allowed to live
they're not even allowed to live in
europe where do you want them to live oh
my god you're you're taking
where do you want okay where do you want
the friends to live
where do you why do you hate the french
where are they supposed to live in
france
okay they're supposed to live in france
right
according to you yeah
okay don't go live in france
you you this is a dumb argument you're
making no how's it dumb how's it going
is it dumb
how's it dumb
this is
again this is literally like saying
no it's not you know any political
change begins with winning the people
you're saying you hate the people
because they're settlers
therefore you have a moral duty you have
a moral obligation and duties
that you hate you define your political
identity based on hating others so you
have a moral obligation now to not be
the same person you're hating yeah
i said that i dislike the people of
quebec because they're [Β __Β ] they're
racist they're queerphobic okay then you
need to stop being racist and you need
to leave
quebec you you're sounding
like those insane right wingers you're
not responding to the argument it
doesn't matter who i saw
you gotta get your ass out of quebec
oh my
god what you want to have the fruits of
settler colonial racism but you still
want to [Β __Β ] about it and whine about
it do something about it
why are you complaining then well moving
out is not doing something about it yeah
it is since you since you realize you're
not going to be able to win the people
and win politics then all you have left
is your individual self and your own
choices so you have a moral obligation
to leave quebec according to your own
logic
leave quebec
you have to go back to france
that's your own logic
france is also benefiting from central
colonialism not the red directly so so
gold this is what you can do then i can
tell you what you can do you can go move
to france and live in the woods and you
won't be better and you can you could
just live in the woods and not consume
any product you will be untainted by
everything you can literally this is not
what i'm saying
then then you can do that you can be
morally pure and you could actually
justify your position if you do that if
you do that you will be justifying
the position that you created on the
internet for everyone else you go live
in the woods in france
you're not making sense yes i am this is
france is your land according to you you
are justified living in france because
it was not stolen from indigenous so you
can go live in france and b
for even though french consumers and
french people benefit from french
colonialism you can opt out of that by
just going living in nothing how you
solve pro
problems okay okay then how are you
going to solve it
how can you solve a problem without
winning the majority of the people in
the country you live in i'm not saying
you shouldn't win the majority of the
people oh wait okay so how do you okay
so that there we go so you you agree
that it's your duty to win the majority
of people i know it's not
it's not my duty it's something you
should do okay you should you should win
the majority of people okay how do you
plan on doing that chat how are you
planning
no i don't know i'm very in college man
all right so okay juan so
as far as the cause of winning the
majority of people is concerned do you
think you are harming or helping that
cause by calling all of them racist
settler colonial races
and also saying you hate them all is
that benefiting or harming neither i'm
doing neither
oh really it doesn't harm the perception
that quebec is have of communists that
they're a bunch of arabs
so listen
okay
so you are making you are making a
little bit of an impact because a random
quebec will see your twitter profile and
be like okay is this what leftists are
like are you harming or helping go ahead
i said i'm doing neither you are because
they're gonna have a perception of you
either way and they're gonna take away
some kind of idea of what leftists are
and if leftists mean people who just
[Β __Β ] about the majority of people and
act all elitist and act like they're
better and act like uh oh i hate racists
and settler colonialists do you think
they're gonna think you're uh someone
they wanna get behind and you're gonna
win them over
my god has
what is that what does that even even
mean
you're saying words
it's very clear as day
in the end has i'm going to
do this
i'm
a nobody
on a nation
why did you say that but you came on to
debate me why did you do this you were
[Β __Β ] talking yeah so why do you care
since you're a nobody
if you're not willing to take
responsibility for and defend what you
put on the on the internet why are you
using this excuse oh i'm a nobody you're
clearly willing to take responsibility
for the things you're doing so don't use
this excuse i'm a nobody otherwise you
wouldn't [Β __Β ] come on to defend
yourself
oh my god
why did you say i was scared of you by
the way
no you're talking
you said i was scared i said you're
scared of me yeah you where you were why
why you
were asked you were
i just
just quote tweeted you and it was
rationing which i don't care about
and the moment i was close to rationing
you you you started to get mad yes i did
you know why because there is no shot in
hell there is no shot in hell that
someone like you
can ratio me
because i represent you had to try hard
you had to try hard you
because let me tell you what chad if you
ratioed me that means infrared is no
longer fresh infrared is no longer vital
infrared no longer has a unique meshed
message infrared is no longer reaching
people infrared is no longer a powerful
force in in the internet infrared is not
a rising phenomenon you think i'm going
to let that happen
infrared is nobody knows what infrared
is it's irrelevant
okay are you irrelevant
yeah i'm also good what's your point
near you
why does that matter you ask your
question
why does it matter
okay now i want to do another thing name
an influencer who's grown as fast as me
in the time that they started go ahead
i don't know i don't look at your
stats like this can you name one
i don't i don't like i said let me ask
you a question let me ask you a question
five months after vaush started
streaming what were his what were his
viewers at
i don't know i don't care about the vlog
was it was it 800 was it as high as mine
vivace was a special case what about
hassan
what about hassan the most famous guy on
twitch
how many average viewers
already had a platform and yet i'm
bigger than him when he was at my stage
right now
so how can you say i'm irrelevant when
i'm growing this fast
if i'm irrelevant that means i'm not
growing anymore but i'm still growing
daily
so how am i irrelevant chat
you're relevant in the current moment
that's like saying a train is stationary
because you arbitrarily decided no the
train isn't moving the train is moving
chad the train is moving get off the
tracks it's moving the train is moving
listen in the grand scheme of things
you literally
are like saying zeno's
if you go to the street okay and ask a
random person
who is vosh
what would they tell you what will they
most likely tell you what does that
matter
yeah if you ask them who is hassan
they'd probably a good chance they would
know
yeah
maybe because that science they're the
biggest content creator and why can't i
become on twitch why can't i become that
i don't know
no explain it you're the one that means
the audience what's going to stop me
from
and of a mainstream audience because
they have mainstream politics they're
both liberals
oh really so who has a bigger audience
vows for jimmy dore
i don't know i own full timmy door does
does jimmy dore have mainstream views no
he [Β __Β ] doesn't have
anti-establishment views
no
what the [Β __Β ] are you talking about
[Β __Β ] give me the door okay if jimmy
dore is liberal oh okay then i'm an
average liberal so what's gonna stop me
from growing if jimmy dore's an average
liberal then i'm an average liberal too
then that means you you you're not a
communist
okay but here's the thing if you're if
you're taking anything okay what okay
why is jimmy dore an average liberal
let's justify that why how what makes
him average liberal even if you're gonna
call him a [Β __Β ] liberal which is
wrong how is he an average liberal he's
a [Β __Β ] very different than liberals
he talks like my uncle at the dinner
table
so and how are you qualifying that
i'm cool thinking dad as an average
person so if jimmy dora put on cat ears
would that'll be okay
he's not a liberal anymore
is liberal just the same thing as what
the 4chan nazis call normies that just
means normies to you right
no so someone has to if someone's not an
extremist with cat ears and an extreme
bizarre strange freak
that means they're
that basically means that they are
liberals to you liberal just means
normal to you right
depends
oh of course it depends
so what's so liberal about jim
everything depends tell me what's
liberal about jimmy dore go ahead tell
me what's liberal
what's not
what's not liberal i don't know the fact
that jimmy dore is a living embodiment
of a [Β __Β ] online insurrection against
the [Β __Β ] liberal consensus what do
you mean
what do you mean an online insurrection
he literally represents you mean
you know what you're doing it
do you want to keep interrupting this
you literally asked me how yeah i'm
trying to explain it to you
he is the anti-establishment platform do
i have to mute you
why do you talk over me what do you
think you're going to accomplish
jimmy dore is a common liberal to you
right explain how
i tried to explain how you wanted to
interrupt me so i'm going to let you
explain how
go on
oh are you going to interrupt me or i
can explain
i'll go on
jimmy dore voices positions opinions and
views that are in direct contradiction
with the mainstream liberal consensus
that it actually exists
no he does not
okay jimmy howard agrees with the
establishment and acts like he does
what's what does jimmy dore agree with
the establishment about
what does he disagree with the
establishment belt
i don't know let's let's talk about
forced to vote he wanted to force the
vote for medicare for all and the
establishment didn't want to then the
liberals hated him for that let's talk
about that
what do you mean how jimmy dore wants to
form a third party he he doesn't want to
vote for biden or the democrats he says
don't vote for them let's form our own
party that disagreement in disagreement
with the entire liberal establishment
consensus
oh my god has so how is the uh how is he
a common liberal explain
most people would agree with that
oh really
yeah most liberals would agree with that
that we should not vote for biden in the
2020 election
no no the thing before
what the third party thing the thing
before that the force the vote thing you
think most liberals agreed with forced
to vote
i'm sure if you ask someone there is no
major liberal figure in america
who voiced the agreement with jimmy dore
about forced to vote there's not one
not one
not even a single one if there is one
name them
it's not about figures it's about people
so which liberal agreed with jimmy was
forced to vote
the average person would have said yeah
that's a good idea but you this is the
difference though the average person is
not a liberal
an average person is not an ideological
fanatic extremist like you the average
person doesn't really care that much
about politics
the average person would agree with
jimmy dore which is why people like
jimmy dore and myself win over normal
people but in your eyes
that's what you hate
that's what you hate about fonduenon's
drawing about jimmy dore and about me
that we appeal to normal working people
and not freaks who want to turn everyone
into cats
why are you talking about hats you hate
the normal you hate the people you hate
society you hate the people you hate
humanity you go on the street and you
look around and you have hatred in your
heart you have hatred for the people you
are an evil shaytan demon you [Β __Β ]
hate jimmy dore because he resonates
with most people you call the popular
american majority
liberals how are you not a [Β __Β ]
liberal you're not a liberal
no i'm not explain how explain how
what's your views then i'll explain to
you why your views are liberal go ahead
explain
what what differentiates you from a
liberal go ahead
what makes you different
when do i even start yeah name one thing
can you ask me like a position i can uh
like have a stance on
just name one thing that separates you
from a liberal
i don't think this separates me from a
liberal
oh my god
i don't support capitalism first of all
oh okay you claim not to support
capitalism what does that mean in
reality so what does that mean in
reality i want to dismantle the system
of capitalism what does that mean in
reality what does that mean in reality
because to me it just sounds like you're
a liberal off their meds so what does
that mean in reality
what do you mean what does that mean
what do you mean to dismantle capitalism
what does that actually
mean it means getting rid of the global
system of capital what does that mean
how do you get rid of it like what does
that even mean
yeah in many ways yeah in name one such
as revolution such as you're just
thinking
no such as the poetry taking state power
okay okay
but i thought you're an anarchist
no i'm not okay
so the pro the so-called proletariat
taking state power but you hate the
majority of the proletariat so how are
they going to take power
i don't know
i don't know
because you're a liberal who doesn't
want to be responsible for their
liberalism
so you larp as an extremist
even though just like fascism you're the
hired thug of liberal globalism
any time there's a major threat to
global liberal order you are on the
front lines to repress it
for free
for free
so do you think it's liberal or not
liberal
to want to
define your politics based on your
personal individual fantasies
what does that even mean has
it means for example so you talk a lot
about dismantling and revolution which
means what in reality
where where do we make the connection to
reality rather than fantasy and
abstraction where does it actually
become real what's real about what you
just said
what's what's real
yeah
what's real about what you just said
it's probably
how do i even explain that
i don't know you're the one
if you can't explain it in a sentence or
two or just minimally explain what you
mean why would you say it
just stole a virtue signal to other
lefty extremists
no i yeah
where did where did where does reality
fit into what you just said
i just realized that that's such an
abstract question okay you said you want
a revolution so how do you get from a to
b where's where's where's the revolution
how
what does it mean practically to say you
want a revolution what does that mean
practically
in what sense of the
i'm just trying to give an essential in
what sense
you okay you said i what differentiates
me from a liberal is that i want
revolution so how do you launch
revolution how will that be a reality if
that's something you really do want
i'm going to be honest with you i'm
still looking to this i'm reading
what
but but you said that's your position
that it's what just differentiates from
a liberal if it's not something real
then it's not a real point of
distinction it's just a larp and it's
just a cosmetic persona you put on
online when in actual practical reality
you're [Β __Β ] liberal
god has
all you lefties do is critique others
and that's what motivates you to hold on
to your position but anytime someone
asks you what the [Β __Β ] do you actually
mean by your positive position you have
nothing all you know how to do is point
out the perceived contradictions and
hypocrisy of the people you don't like
but you have nothing yourselves nothing
nothing
oh dangism isn't real socialism but you
don't have a real socialism you have
nothing you don't even have anything
you have nothing you're just a force of
negativity and shaytan and evil and
you're trying to suck the energy and the
life out of real communists
that makes you an agent of the ruling
class and it makes you a [Β __Β ] liberal
who only dwells in negativity because
guess what liberalism is the reign of
negation
that's what liberalism means what the
[Β __Β ] do you think liberal freedom is you
think liberal freedom is positive no
it's negative freedom that's what
liberalism even [Β __Β ] means liberalism
is the abstract negative cartesian
individual standing above society with
abstract formal rights
that's what liberalism [Β __Β ] means and
that's what you
are
you are a
liberal
do you have anything to say for yourself
what i have to say to you has
is that you need to go outside
this is your this is your oh he left he
surrendered