VAUSH'S DOUBLE STANDARD ON 'FASCISM' IN RUSSIA [2021-01-26]

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this was going to be quick probably about an hour a little bit over an hour

i don't have that much time

you know it's late night i got a bed time and shit but i just wanted to make this quick little stream we're going to be reacting to washs video' going to be talking about how wash and bred tube in general the biggest fucking hypocrites in the world when it comes to russia all they all they talk about is the nosbl vortex and the the tempting alliance between the left and right popul wo no we cano allow with fascism but you're going to see when it comes to russia when it comes to ukraine when it comes to eastern europe

in general when it comes to u s

the s aligned fascists and nazis voss seems to has a have a double standard and by u s align nazis you know exactly what i'm talking about guys you know about those vice news glorified and glamorized nazis so we're going to talk about this and yeah we're going to just hit it off by reacting to hs video and respond

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but to give you guys some background

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personally i don't live in russia

and you know i'm not speaking on behalf of russians

but

i'm only speaking on behalf of the u s lefts response right now ok

and what we do know about many of the forces who are in opposition to putin ok not all of them but many of them they are deeply embedded in the nationalistic far right to give you guys a rundown and to explain this to you i

the left s going to sll you know russias a for right country russia's a multi ethnic country and it's always been a multi ethnic civilization and liberalism in russia just like how it is in ethiopia right now and how it is and everywhere else in the world inevitably turns into ethno nationalism right because having a multi ethnic country for

you to go beyond the confines of traditional liberalism ok and why that is

maybe i can explain more later but you can see that it's a common pattern every successful multi ethnic polity is necessarily beyond

liberalism and when i say multi ethnic i don't mean multicultural like england i mean genuinely encompassing territories

that are the ancestral homeland of various different nationalities ethnicities languages and groups and so on and so on so in russia the far right

one of the ways in which they expressed their opposition to putin

is in the form of russian ethno nationalism and do not get it confused do not get that confused with so called russian nationalism or patriotism because russia has always been a multi ethnic polity ok especially after the soviet union so there's a big difference between russian ethno nationalism and russian patriotism and so called russian nationalism which is associated

with putin putin is not a russian ethno nationalist and the reason you can tell that is because putin's party is not the main vehicle of anti immigration sentiment in russia that's always the key where a country you want to look at the key of these the only real indicator of whether something's far right or not is things like racism it's things like profuse anti immigration and ethno

chaluvinistic sentiment ok you're going to see a lot of these liberals in the west calling china and russia nationalist countries but that means nothing because these civilizations these polities are necessarily multinational historically and from the get go they're multinational ok that's why han chauvinists in china would inevitably be liberals ok and are in opposition to

the communist party sorry i don't mean to ignore the chat i'm going to catch up to you guys but they ally with joe is not for me bosh is turning against what is good about the remnants of the bernie sanders movement in favor of biden dark worrir studios got s here but that's something that's been going on for a while you know i would even argue that as early as twenty and twenty with the old bernie sanders movement i mean it's a reason this guy lost ok

is the reason he lost

multiculturalism has been a failure across the board

we don't have time to get into that but i would say that multiculturalism as a response to the national question is one hundred percent a failure across the board but the mere fact of these you know having cosmopolitan cities like london and new york i'm not so sure but yes it when when it comes to real national questions right

and for example widespread anti immigration sentiment yeah liberals who are just parading multiculturalism the're obviously failing it's an objective fact they've been failing and

yeah that's a massive topic on its own the state department u s government already succored me on tianan men d p r k arab spring hong kong libya exactly aren't people tired of be well now you've got a new vanguard of leftists

in so called bread to sorry go ahead

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yeah well you know

each iteration right every two three years i guess

you have

people who are clearly see past the bullshit you had bush here conspiracy theory people

and then what happened with obama he

obama created a new generation of suckers basically who were

convinced

that everything the state department in the state is saying and the liberals are saying is true

and now obama is on the decline he was he was on the decline

and now it seems like bernie sanders is movement is picking up the pace and just

every time there's just this objective expression of the establishment being a bunch of fucking liars and

you know

leading the people down a path of the

down a false path

a it seems to be

you sound like you're from southern chicago i'm absolutely not

it seems to be that uh

it seems to be that the end result is that

you have the so called leftists who basically

you know rise to the task of

bringing back

the huge portions of people in enthusiastically and for free

into the con that is so called liberal democracy

but we'll get int

so ya

let's go ahead and do this usually

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with his stream stay on

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i haven't completely decided

but well we're going to talk about

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guys we're so sorry about this technical difficulty shit

sorry we just had a bunch of technical difficulties and like it took way longer than expected we're going to get right down to the

right down to business so we're going to react to this video ok

so

why are we picking on voss we're picking on voss because he represents the american left i'm too lazy to find a more prescient example that's

you know

that ge's presentable like this

so massrest in russia following imprisonment of opposition leader guys this is not going to be an analysis of the russian protests

i recommend

following russian people

from russia you know

h and be careful who the source is to but

we're not russians we're just going to react to this american response to what's going on in russia it's very clear in russia that in cities

primarily cities

and it seems to me maybe i'm wrong primarily urban liberal

type of youth

there's a lot of protests against putin there's a lot of stuff and then it's being led by this novale guy and that's actually what i want you guys to keep the keep your focus on who's this navalne guy right

um

we're going to get into that

because there's actually a lot

um

sorry it's actually a lot

here we go ok it's a sneak preview ok let's let's get this rolling ok let's start

by the way can you guys you guys got everything ok let's go bosss response let's see

so every once in a while as an american i am tragically and unfortunately forced to acknowledge the existence of countries other than the one in which i live a some of you guys have probably seen this

no you're not you're not acknowledging other countries osh you just superimposing your in american bullshit on other countries right off the back

he's spitting lies ok so let's go

protests well across russia calling for the release of kremlin critic alex alexi nval there i was probably somewhere in the ballpark of being the correct pronunciation yeah so this is interesting development so as you guys know here i'm going to lay this out as simply as i can ok havef you seen his game stock stock nonsense reminds me

before the two thousand a financial crisis

another stream and this is going to be a quick one we've got to just focus on this right now ok

next time what'll be talk about that russia has problems and a lot of those problems seem to stem from the far right aupocracy pushed by putin russia has problems and

i'm was going to use meaningless american etiological labels to superimpose on an entire country with its own history that has nothing to do with mine

or my own limited conception

and uh

you see

we america we're a liberal democracy we don't have problems we are so devoid of problems that you know

the the one i'm calling a far right autocrat trump he actually came from the liberal democracy country

and you notice all the nazis come from liberal democracies in general

but you know

russia has problems because russia is just some foreign shipholeds

and it has a problem because they're not like us they're not a lightened in liberal like us

okay sorry let's contine

whos alternated between the presidency and being the prime minister and just ultimately just kind of been the defacto supreme leader of russia for a while

and yeah that's yeah he's's a very ud

just just sort of just sort of been squatting on top of y

so you're going to reduce the entire situation in russia to the fact

that putin has wielded executive power and that

according to your liberal democratic view

t

that's the cause of the problem

you see this liberal

prejudice

and this kind of reduction of everything to this

what rapid idiological dogmatism

has ever surpassed liberalism

honestly

all of russia's problems are down to

the the political arrangement that's existed for decades

so why is this new development actually happening

have you can you offer anything new in your analysis

bosh are you just going to repeat

your liberal prejudices

it's like there's problems all over the fucking world you know problems are bound to ha

it's easy to say that if you're like one of those ultra leftists who say all the problem

the actual problem is the fact

that it's not an anarchist you told

it isn't actually

give any

doesn't give us any

you know

so it's really chauvinistic american chauvinism because

this is a new situation that's happening in russia it's a completely novel situation

and you seem to be reducing it to the fact that russia is not america

well guess what wasoh america has its own fucking problems whyn't you stay in your own lane and mind your own business

i hope you have ad block on or whatever

i don't care you know you can keep the chec

get

at the traditional slav squad on top of the

on top of russia for a good long time

that's

he said it was a traditional slav squad on top of rush of all time

um and that was supposed to be a joke

i just lapped inside

there

yeah i know chat could don't spoil we'll get to that

so

these protests are following the kremlin critic alexei nvcev who was arrested and prior he was poisoned as well

a he

how do you know

do you know that

or how do you know

where did you get that information do you know because i don't know i personally don't know

that he was poisoned by the government

mean like he was poisoned i guess

but was he poisoned by the government i don't know that

so i'm interested in knowing how you know that

he's one of the most brazen critics of the kremlin and of putin and he was poisoned rather recently and since then he has been arrested and

ok he's one of the most foremost

critics of the kremlin and putin

similarly the proud boys is that how you would describe the proud boys in america by the way wash

would you describe them as the one of the most foremost critics of the

the deep state in the democratic corona virus

great reset whatever they're saying

im

it's interesting would you is that how you would describe it for america because

i mean technically you're right he is a critic of the government but

it seems like you're leaving some things out

you know it's really misleading but let's continue

formally you're right so

you have formal correctness is continue

honestly the crime when you're an anti kremlin critic in russia the crime is being the anti kremlin critic who is in russia

so let's go ahead and apply that back to america when you're an anti

the america critic a k the people who were resisting the lockdowns and all this kind of stuff storming the michigan capital

you know

or storming whatever we're not going to get to that yet

we will

it's very vague what you're saying you can apply it to america to

but

if we were to use that language to describe the

far right here

osh

you would crucify us and you have been doing that

let's continue

so he's lacking critical information chek

oh to t

is it me or does he look like noble from

i don't know is talk about the specifics here yeah it's

it's basically he critiques putin so that's that's that you know

is that that

he could seek spoon so that's that

hmm

every other russian i've ever heard of critiques poop

so it doesn't really seem like that's that

wash

putin seems to me like he's farther left than biden

don't apply american politics to russia it's very different

in general it's a really big mistake to apply american policy

putin is right wing

from what perspective you know

from what perspective

putin

means a million different things

that's what i've learned from russians

putin means a on million different things from a million different cont

and there are people coming out in support of him there are people protesting in favor of him and it's actually really interesting for a wide number of reasons

stop spoiling and chat i see you i know thank you hello

now this guy my man

um alexei is actually i think he's a you tuber isn't he

this student is like a like a huge yeah hold on

yeah look at this

it's got

six million subscribers this guy's youtube channel in spite of it being not even in a real words he doesn't even use real words in his name

crazy

so this is actually pretty significant because you have to proportion like

the number of you tube subscribers that you have

you look at this by the way guys i've never watched this video before

so if he actually acknowledges this guy's that i've never what i had this is the first time watching this wasath video

i don't watch these videos in my spare time

so maybe he will acknowledge he's like a

well yeah

maybe he's not missing ctical

i think nsur reaction

think putin's nationalization of gas prom and other companies more pragmatic than ideology

yeah i mean guys don't apply american puritanism

across the world

you know

this idiological crusader type mentality

at this point in time in twenty twenty one

very american

okk

the dichotomy between pragmatism and ediology and all this kind of stuff

it's way more muddied way more blurry than

you would think ossesn' saanything about ant imperialism because he benefits from it

we'll get to it

seventy four million views

on this two hour video

well now it's seventy six i don't know how they're listing it but

this guy is a huge reach is huge reach online he has a

there's

with like one hundred forty million russians we have that off the mark

and he has six million subscribers

so

let's say there's about double that in america

and that would be like someone with twelve million million subscribers in america

is that a huge rease yes

is that the reach of someone who's a shadow government

you know level of popularity

i don't know

not sure i actually genuinely don't know how much subscribers does

bernie have any

you know

can you guys know that

could you look that up i'm

i'm

stock right now my phone is being used for the chat and

i'm using i don't have another screen

how much subst does bernie have

maybe i'll eat my words

he has four hundred and fifty six k

f

what

ha a million sobs

half a billion

well that is just reflects worse on bernie wow i just siny

whatever

but i mean how many are russian you know navali how many are russian at least

ok yeah i ca see i was wrong about that

if a state is oliegarchal nationalization wouldn't mean the up

if a state is oligarchical

what does that mean though

a huge

like

it's nationalized

it's publicly owned

so

it's not

owned by an oligarch

owned by the state

to reach up

yeah ilive is also a very

muddied word

i'll get into it

and people are coming out at great personal risk to support him

yet look at these video views what the fuck twenty five million twenty three million how

ho

crazy i envy the growth

it looks like all you need to do to be popular online is to risk your life consistently by calling out an autocratic leader of a country where journalists die frequently

so

ah well so far

it's interesting washes washes using this language for a guy

like navalni

and i wonder

what the significance

of using this language for adjacent american

figures would be

i wonder how voss would react to that

i mean you know you've seen how boshes reacted to jimmy dore

bringing on

um

the most

woke in harmless

i don't even know if the guys a genuine bogle boy he seems like a leftist traditional leftist to me

os but people think he's

pretending to be a leftist but i almost think he's a leftis pretending to be a google that's also what i think too i've seen those type of people

but we've sought we've seen how oss responded to something as ambiguous as that

that guy that jimmy dorhead on was nowhere near as

he has not nothing no word here is incriminating is what i'm going to show you guys really soon it's weird how oligarch is only applied to russia and american

that's very true cosmic bred it's very true

very true

you know i'm not here to say russia's a fine

fine situation

that's ultimately the business of russia

ultimately you should be following

w since we're marxist linists we're going to tell you to follow russian marxist leninis

you know we're not going to tell you to exclusively follow anyone but we're probably going to agree we're going to take their analysis a little bit more seriously

m

ultimately russians know their own situation best

but when americans are coming and trying to

you know superimpose their prejudices on russia

that's where it's our job to intervene

and

since

h

not even most of us aually think it's only half

half of infrared are americans

we are english speaking

and we kind of fix it on america

so it's our job to com and you know

that's alexei

and alexi has a little bit of a story history too ok ok maybe vosh is going to acknowledge it

maybe he's going to acknowledge it i want to see what he some people in chat have been informing me

alexey has a as a will say a colored past he is as i understand it the only foremost political leader in all of russia right now who supports legalizing same sex marriage

okay

um

the ok why is that the supreme metric of

authenticity

because the boogloo boy also supports that boh

whse and by the way a lot of libertarians are even a lot of far you can probably find nazi far right people who

would do it

the early days of the nazi movement had a

l um

non heterosexual components

it wasn't necessarily you know why is that the supreme thing i don't understand

why is that the principal main contradiction

his same sex marriage is it i don't i'm not sure

i

communist and russia anything on them

watch her um

interviews with

katya kazbak and ilia metveda

by alligarchy i mean said state is very intertwined with major corporations

like every state is today

so of corporations control the state

well do do corporations control the state i don't i think every indication has been that they don't in russia i think putin has

flex the muscles of the russian state as something that is

beyond the

you know i don't know that's just my two cents

as you know putin and russia in general is pretty anti gay and so the willingness to engage ok the only thing i'm getting from the fact that navalne is pro same sex marriage is that he's appealing to the west because a source of pro

same sex

of marriage politics

and i'm not saying that's good or bad but it does come from america and it comes from the eu

okay

and that's just an objective fact

so the fact in ofvll the supports that doesn't really tell me anything it really kind of just tells me that he's more aligned towards the west

so um we'll get to it we'll get to it but i wonder what that means for example in countries like ukraine and other eastern european countries

this western alignment

what does it entail

we'll get to doing that it's pretty interesting let's just see oh is mighty critical of nledgeables

what about the just plain old nazis he seems to get along fine with those people

in his politics he talks about nosbol's

completely meaningless term

but what about actual nazis with the eye at the end right i mean that's the original

you know thingk

it doesn't get more explicit than that

it's not some obscure jargon like nasbl

it's actually the direct thing the nazi

thing

however it would be wrong to say that this man is left leaning he's not it seems okay oky maybe we're getting somewhere like and i'm parsing this together from a lot of different info sources because this is a really complicated situation

okay well i'm going to show you a video and i want to ask you if it's complicated

so i after i showed this video

i want you to

tell me it's complicated because it doesn't really seem like it's complicated to me it seems like this video

is more than enough

to be labeled a little bit a step above a nosbll and actually maye be the direct thing to nazi you know itself

that's not a nazi i don't know what is of the video on the showly

tuation

but alexi is an anti corruption advocate who was challengedin's government just like the probos

he has accumulated a trim it's really vague you can use terms for a lot of things

am it doesn't really

first time on an infrared stream oh i actually did do over here i never actually seen you in the chat welcome to infrared man glad to have you here

glad to have you ma

welcome welcome

tremendous amount of support from the russian population the portion dissatisfied with

see

on

that's where i personally don't know

he has support from a

what does that mean it should

who who

the russian population is not one thing

so voh you claim to be adjacent to you know socialism and marxism where's your class analysis

seems to me a von is more popular among

to

metropolitan liberalizes

strata

and

as for rule russia

those type

i'm not exactly sure that

's really

think the s west just uses l q politics in other countries

and one hundred percent does

and it's opportunism

t telling sign of a color revolution less focus on corruption instead of concrete class demands

no i mean it's fine to focus on corruption

i

i mean actually

guari aur p our guy from mi reromaining he talks a with the same thing you're talking

but

they're not they're not mutually exclusive

you know but

yet oftentimes it's opportunies

thing is more

trying to say

i completely agree it is oftentimes

birl

and he seems to pursue

i think he's a civic nationalist

ok

so

this is my issue guys this is really my big issue

ok this is the hypocrisy i'm talking about

so the guy comes on jimmy dore and he says he's pro l g b t pro b l

anti racism all kinds of things

you have people like

all sorts of

people who are identifying on you tube as

classical liberals

and there

this there that there's all sorts of

idiologies people you know identify with

and all of this is boxed into the umbrella of fascism

by bread to

by vosh in by american leftists

how come navali is a civic nationalist

but in the west

the same types of people who are not even as

criminalism of the in terms of how cancellable they are

how come they're not

civic nationalists they're just fascists we just use the f word

indiscriminately even to describe people as diverse as libertarians

i

all the way through to you know

people like who's that guy with crystal ball

sagar

u a sagar in gentee

yeah

in yeah yeah

in latin america the whole stick about corruption is almost one hundred percent yeah yeah exactly

it's an opportunistic

i

i'm but that doesn't mean it m it corruption can't be a

well it depend in the context because in mexico also amlos is the anti corruption campaign

it depends of the context that's a great point yeah that's a great point

i mean i think china focuses a lot on corruption but i think exactly and another example is china china's

so it's not you know

it's not that there has to be a dichontomy between corruption and class

but

class struggle but

oftentimes corruption is used as a form of

but let's continue

in a sense

see

putin has an

comrade ramana what of comeres what's up comon munt' glad to see you w in the chat i think this is the first time glass youre

daniel as first time i've seen in the chat with some man 's not actionally the first time

my bed

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n we're new to this

tk

but glad to see in the chest

inspired a lot of conflict amidst different ethnic groups in russia

ah because putin is a fascist

to

see

this is where we have the dishonesty

why is putin the fascist

for being representing the multi ethnic and multinational russia more or less

and novali the civic nationalist which is the russian ethno nationalism

he's just a civic nationalist

this is where i don't understand russian civilization has always been

a multi ethnic

and i

yes there's a complicated history of

almost a kind of

very similar colony was not the same but very similar as the western colonialism

towards central asa and then more or less it became the same

uh in the

the nineteenth century in the early twenties

i

but

you know it the hypocrisy is astounding

a putin fascist voss

i mean in what meaningful sensees of putin putin a fashist

putin does not correspond to rabid ant immigration sentiment

and as far as i'm concerned as far as labeling people as far right

the immigration issue seems to me to be the

the main significant lyinch

i

immigration issue

and the

general

racism racism

the anglo type right the purity of the

the culture in the blood or whatever you want to call

so i don't see how putins a fascist

you know you could say he's a centrist

you could say putin is some kind of a

pragmatic russian centrist

centrism with russian characteristics

i don't see how you

ishus

and i think that's fucking ridiculous

y russians in the chad want to give their two cents is putin a fascist really

haven't kept up with your streams

that's right there

but you're already a classic g

thank you maam appreciate

you have putin fascism building mosques around russia

i mean

yeah

it's ridiculous how is putin a fascist

doesn't make any sense to me

it's like saying

it's like saying obama's a fascist

you know i he obama he's

i'm i guess we're not aligned with him politically but is he a

ashes

makes no sense it's ust an american chibnistic stupid fucky thing to say

putin's a fascist who is not a racist and yes putin is not a racist

what putin represents is a russia that rejects anglo saxon racism by the way i want to tell you guys something

racism racialism originates with englansh

ok

russia doesn't is not about modernistic racialism

ok

maybe there's some kind of a

break russian challvinism or something like that

but it's not the same thing as extermination is

racialism

and

we're not going to derail it and we don't have time to talk about of the pre he also mentioned this in the differences between the spanish and english empire

spanish had a caste system in latin america

yes there was

they were not you know

pro indigenous or whatever

but it was different from the english who were directly extermination

and it seems like these are the two polls we're dealing with in wasoh is taking the side of the anglo saxon poll

ah

in claiming ofalis a's an ethno nationalis a civic nationalist but putin putin's a fascist

i want to know and what fuck in meaningful sensees putin of fascist

i don't know if i'll get a response

voss said that yels and didn't make things much worse but he says putin is

he'ss a fucking idiot what is this guy

talking about russ a conservative for sure but it's not like nevada

i mean

quindy conservative in russia there's communist conservatives i mean maybe in a sense i'm a conservative i don't know

i guess not in the american context but it's a really vague word

on the chances of a u s a our revival

i'm going to get into it

ah

a conomdia

i don't income and it a specific organ colonial spanishty that's what i'm referring to

for the record he called every right wing or a fascist even though they're basic conservative

makeloy but isn't it interesting he calls navali a civic nationalist

where' is that coming from that doesn't make any sense to me

vosh is a liberal

i don't think he's

just the liberal i think he's an american chauvinist

also putin is

against the indigenous of

bolivia

i

ok elaborate priight tuns what does that mean concretely is were't some people saying more alice was against the indigenous so

kind of skeptical

everyone keeps saying that word fascist

yeat because liberals are really spooked about the fact that the world is post liberal move beyond liberalism

so the liberals call that fascist

just because we've moved beyond anglo saxon modernity

where the world is everyone's a fascist except the anglo adjacent countries and maybe the eu

but keep an eye on the you maybe theoll start calling the fast

yeltson whew caused one hundred million

xs death was in that b

of course yeah he was just a civic nationalist ok

there's the definition of the

common turn

was probably says that because some online fascists like putin

idiotic reasons

that's the thing with american lepses

consistently is that they've they've defined their poliicics just in opposition to

the right wings whatever the right wing says they take them at their word they don't realize that right wingers don't necessarily know what all themselves

but they see the right wing whatever the right wing says the some kind of mystical herman

hermanutic

that allows them the true insight into the real face of the enemy

it's really silly

fucking st

boss probably prefers to

south african decolonization over

zimbab

voss probably calls mugabe a fascist

probably calls him that

putin slf in a reactionary government

against evil moralis

i don't know the drama in that pride tunes

you were not

putin shills

we were backing russian

marxist leninist

many of whom are against putin but it depends on the context in which they're against

what i would say

we're not here to show for put

but we are here to as america as an american we're not all americans here but as an

american personally

i take issue with a fellow american

speaking business against russia they have no business there they

it from an american chauvinist

sck

so i hope you understand and appreciate that new

ok

i

vosh is a counter leftist

mathno was a fascist

hospital

i don't i doubt he would say that

osh also says that black national determination in america is

far right ethno statism

w gives a fog with this idiot things

right

but i just want to point out this a po

what a stupid fucking thing to say

far right ethno statism

you see how americans love applying these weird idiological

meaningless abstractions on to the world

these internet you know like what is up with this what is up with just calling things

firy fairy etiological terms in the substitute for any kind of real concrete analysis

i find it very american

and i'm almost disturbed by

these are the people who use the who make political compass means

and it's like sometimes i'll see how these political compass means

a street vendor is

libertarian right

is he though i

you know it's like

why are you assuming reflexivity that isn't there are you assuming an ediology that doesn't have to

there's no discret idiologies out there in the fucking wild they're all in your fucking head

ok

if someone's not calling themselves a term chances are they aren't that fucking term because yes

etiology is something that's on the surface ok

someone doesn't identify as a nazi or fascist

and they don't supp they don't

express support for nazis or fascists

people who call themselves those words

chances are and this is going to probably get me into some flat

chances are they probably aren't that thing

take people at their word and you will see

surprisingly

more clear results

caan

when marxists call people bourgeoire prouletarian we're not

throwing ideological labels

ok but ediology itself is really something that is on the surface

and also applies to communism

it not an accident that the chinese communist party is

there's exceptions but

you know

it's usually on the surface

usually in plain view

and we're going to show you a video that's going to show you something on plain view as well

civic matter

fi remember correctly wash has multiple times said he doesn't like to have debates with people more intelligent than he has

ok well

he probably doesn't think we're more intelligent than him you know

because we have les views and shit so we'll see this

take debate and he might debate us

um

take vos at his word

proliferation of strange ideological means a reaction by the people to the new live single

i mean

let's just get it this is

and also antipathy between putin and between russia and russia's neighbors

whereas alexeiy seems

that has nothing to do with

to be more in favor of like a broader pan russian

sort of union

at the expense of people outside of it he said some oh

at the expense of you outside

so even the proud boys who are multi ethnic and multiracial

mmhmm

i

even fucking novale isn't there even the proud boys have what they have that caribbean leader guy who's like black skinned

so

i don't understand like why are you using this language why do you have this tone voice why don't you

you know i'm saying like

be consistent whyuch a fucking hypocrite using this watered down oh well

he just happens to be in exterminationt genocidal

ethno nationalist rypto nazi toward non

ethno russians but you know it's

you gott to look past

pu is a fashion

i don't buy it man you seem exhausted

i meing to ban you from chat and i'm just

final solution is the yankee

bomb that like but

appreciate guys

how many dislikes do we have i can't see

why does they why does he call him first name

where the there's some but her last supporter that are probably watching this

aren't you us to talk

i might even invite you to beitch

piss me off

talk

talking to chat i want to see

pretty yicky stuff about immigrants and muslims

it seems he just you know

it's a little bit

racist against

mother

but he sports same sex marriage

like he's more interested in the the gengs kan roman esque let us unite our people

what

as i know you were triggered by that weren't you

gam is a con who

who is the forefather the grandfather the symbol

of the world's greatest and most powerful multi ethnic multi religious multinational and multicultural empire on the fucking earth renowned for its

tolerance should the fuck of bitch do not speak

get gangs tongue

cons fucking name out of your tongue

you fuckingan idiot

and by the way

you're wrong about the roman empire to the roman empire wasn't some ethno chauvinist nationalist

purit all the shit begins with england

get the romans

and get the mongols out of your tongue you're talking about england england was the first racialistic country on planet earth

get it right

now you've triggered

i haven't been triggered for five minutes when he brings up gang is kind of ge trigged

he onances

with the one dislike his wash himself

probably the same guy who dislikes all of calebs reams what a buthurd

be

foss fans are pussy

thrugh

putin' arrangements and

i remember that lenin has a mongoli turkic background

and it's very big

but i don't want to

to mean ment lenin

talking about

there was a

literally black emperors and some

yeah and there was arab ones i remember when i was young because i come from an arab back on there was philip the arab

wow that's pretty cool

uses people he doesn't care about his weapons

what is this vosh guy talking about

ok let's get on

gay people

ukrainians all get allman here

but fuck those fuck those muslim people my right

that seems to be the git that doesn't seem like a trivial thing wasch

that doesn't seem like a trivial thing to me

to me that little thing that little exception you're talking about

seems to be the thing that actually defines who we is

because we're living in an era of unprecedented

anti muslim chauvinism as we're seeing in france

and i know i know i know what you're going to say you' going to talk about china and we will we can talk about

ok we're not going to do it now

i got to go to beit

don't worry

xt here he is a nationalist he's

a big nationalist

but he's a lot more socially why are you calling him a nationalist wt you say he's a fascist and be fucking consistent

half of the people in the fucking capitol hill riot weren't calling them nationalists

and yet you're still calling them fascists and you wanted to exterminate them in your tweet

where you said that we either get rid of them or are we get rid of our democracy

so what the fuck are you talking about bob

someone explained to what he's talking about

be liberal at least in some respects than putin and he also seems to be a fair bit more economically liberal as well

so this isn't what does that mean objectively that sounds like economically liberal i'm thinking about the eleven million excess debts in the one nine hundred ninety s that's what i'm

you're thinking about ideological abstractions that mean fucking nothing i'm thinking about the concrete geopolitical

and social

economic

historical

consequences of all these fucking terms you're throwing around

what does that mean concretely sounds like novale wants to empower some but heard in embittered

oligarchs

who fell out of favor with putin's government

maybe that's the case because that's what it sounds like to me

that's what i'm reading when you're talking about ediology

infrared vision versus

american vision

free market capitalism

put in my

like a

socialist versus fascist situation

this is more of a

autocratic tyrant verses

pseudoethno nationalists what a what a poetry what is subtle poetry

ah

sorry i don't

i'm losing my words

what he would an ornamentally

diverse set of

fineally crafted words

whereas in america everyone just the fascists

and putin's a fashions

and mugabe's a fascist china's fascist wor fascist caleb's fascist

everyone's a fascist if you're not a liberal

but when it comes to novale he's an

he's a classical liberal ethno nationalist

civic nationalist

sory civic nationalist

classical liberal

i

men's rights activist

sock them

oh sock them ok here

he's a civic nationalist sock imagine someone describing hitler this way yeah hler he's a

he he's a sock dem because he supports the

the social democracy policies

he's a sakdem

you know kind of civic nationalist ah

pro german he wants to expand german's borders at the expense of the slavs he might want to exterminate them

but he is against bolshevist dictatorship in stalinist fascism

and he is supporting the free western world against the hordes of asiatic mongolic barbarism

so you take your pick guys

you know i'm it's an unbiased

presentation i'm watch i'm giving you guys an unbiased presentation

i

ushes against

public industry

i don't even know this guy that much my sides are collapsing everything i don't like is fascistm basic

hitler yeah hitler was a vegetarian sock oh yeah

you know he was kind of a

pro vegan animal liberation you know

on the political spectrum i'd map him kind of you know

he's a little bit towards the center maybe

little bit on the

bottom left

here comes the killed luxembourg

be come

yeah yeah it's gets a little

complicated i thin yeah it's here's i'm oss ready guys

i'm going to do the merke what is it called merkel ll

does any pronounce it

can i see the camera you know she does this because she's she's explaining subtle complications

she's above

it's a little

gam

a little

he just hates muslim

he just wants to exterminate them

and he wants to be with the free and enlightened

superior arean race

west

he wants to exterminate the mongolic tartar barbarian mus

mhmm

but

it's a little complicated i'm washed

a little complicated

oh what about the storming of the capitol hill

where it's really ambiguous and we don't really it's a kind of anti establishment thing and

these people aren't really itiologically fixated a is the left is diping no no it's all fascism

jimmy doors a fascist

we're fashist everyone's a fashest

unless you're a

hiding behind the skirt of the biden security state in silicon valley in the university institutions in the establishment

you're fashions

no subddenly no nuance nothing and also putin's a fascist

china's fascist infrared is fascist

nazebl

no nuance at all when it comes to navaly

you got lost with that new one

on

here comes the killed

he seems like he's trying to reverse engineer p

yeah i know he's

why don't you just call him a fascist

i mean i don't know if i would call ivannia a fascist but

washer is hew seems like he has the responsibility to

because he's calling everybody a knowgble in a fascist

for much less than one the all these

you know

maybe the state department crowd i want to know what the argument against this is is there one or what

isn't this kind of a

bullet proof argument or what

you think that all could he say

black sea is significantly better than putin

ok i want to roll that back

significantly better than complicated i do think that

quote this

i do think that

dlexia is significant xxy is significantly better than putin than put

i want you to find me a video of putin that's similar to this

please do

find me a putin video

that's similar to this where putin is this incriminating

incriminating

i want you guys to think in your head

and maagine its national american liberation movement

and imagine this is from an american proud boy or some american guy

and i want to

want you us to

ask yourself

what would the left in the united states say abut

this was an american and he was talking about mexicans or muslims in america

what does this mean national russian liberation movement i want you guy to read between the lines what does that mean

who' is he liberating the russians from

let's see in the video

sorry the sounds off

drast with s wmm about be insect control

missicqoan is not nll st dot aboz is this is civic nationalist he's describing people as insects and cockroaches who need to be exterminated

is that a civic nationalist guys wash where's your nuance on

what is this

was the guy who jimmy dore brought on his fuck and show

anywhere near this on the fotich beause s some of min stuk at least of my wife ook workt that are kind of top com

i don't think it's a job it's a stretch to say

and i'm not a sensitive snowflake liberal

but i don't really think it's a stretch to say that

novale is comparing

people to insects

and

you

he's wants to swat the insects

i don't know what

how i don't know what nuances left

i don't know like there's not a lot of room for interpretation as far as what he means

i mean if this isn'an auzism

according to have n him american loves definition

f

i don't know what is i don't

i really don't i'm at a loss most the deal just ak onmy caus this commly

this is a human being these are human beings are talking about

ah it

you guys see that how he shot

so

is is it more

explicit in this

trumps not never even done anything like

trump has never

one of the

sickest things trumps havever said was the thing about

how in indonesia or the philippines they would dip

bullets and pigs blood to shoot the muslim

but it was never like this

i've never seen anything like this out of the trumpian

never

never in my life i ever seeen like any

i've never seen a proud boy

i've never seen anyone from the capitol hill stormy

never see a sure as i've never seen a libertarian i've known libertarian

book

never seen a libertarian do this

ron paul type person i've never seen a militia type

person gets to this level

the only people who get to this level are neo nazis in america

direct new aazis

no i'll weait on slow shi y recommend the he recommends a hand stans

ok

what do you guys think

hmm

how much room for nuances there he's a civic nationalist

is he a civic nationalist i just showed you

where's the nuance

the reason for that

and

so i k it to the check

leader of the russian federation has more power than the president of the usa is the respective countries

ah it's a little fashy

you know it's not a little fashion is direct extermination is rhetor

you know i'm glad people are leaving wash

i don't know if they are

hong kong separatists are her roaches though

i'm sure this isn't discussed

already and i missed it what is the consensus on boogloo block

jimmy dor

i'm really glad jimmy

is going in this direction

i'm really glad

mm

because believe it or not

unlike ale i like saying no vali

it' nowhere near

very ambiguous

o

very ambiguous when it comes to the anti establishment

former trump

and if you don't understand i'm talking about

either need to do more education research which is one hundred percent fine or you'r

falcking idiot

most people on bred

this get this gets so complicated

the reach

doesn't seem complicated to me at all

reason for that

is because

putin doesn't just hurt russia

there's a lot of really dumb shit that gets said about russia and about putin

i'm trying not to get angry

but if he's concerned about the welfare of other countries and that's his metric for judging whether you should support a fascist

vol

or support someone like putin

trump was a billion times better for the people of the world

then biden is now

but that didn't seem to factor into vuscus consideration as far as who people should vote for

back in two thousand and twenty

foster doesn't care about socialism

but how is it this shameless i this is like the first full video i've ever watched of this guy n called wash

and i'm disgusted

discussed

sick to my stomach

fucking boccers

that comes out of like western press and western media

a lot of it feels like fear mongering and xenophobia while of course r

that's all it fucking is actually doesn't just feel that way

to any sane person

it's a form of psychosis

rusha gate was and to everyone outside of america everyone can see it psychosis

based at least in part in truth russia made a concerted effort to influence the outcome of the twenty and sixteen election and

when you have a global internet

of course russians and people all across the world are going to give their two cents

on what's going on in the most powerful country in the world

how is that the same as this loaded term election interference which means fucking nothing at all

it's the most vague stupid fucking word in

if the am i interfering in russia right now because i'm

and

there's media that is against navaly right now

what is this interfe what is the determinant and direct content of this interference

talking about media proliferating on the free and open internet

that's the nature of the internet

and yes different countries

you're going to have different content coming from different countries based on their actual political positions

and interests

if you want to have a great firewall of china and america you can go ahead and do that and advocate for that mr

liberal

but

till you have something like that you can't complain

and you can't use these words like election interference

russia didn't rig anything

it's not like it

you know sent wrong ballots or some

you know so fucking stoop

foss is a low key rusti gator it's not lok

seen a full osh

video stream

thank

i've never seen one either

i've never seen a streaener but this is the first full video i'm watching

i just saw the title and i knew it was going to be believe it or not

i saw the title and i knew it was going to be

this mos

most of uss videos on other countries

i just want to know what the argument against this is

and

you know someone's going to write an essay trying to debate me come on the fuck and stream and debate me bit

i'll respond to it either way on street

a bipartisan senatorial committee found as much

on i email us if you want to debate us on

co bll instance of e mail us

send an e mail and just

sayyeah i want to beat you guys we're going to invite you to a call itill be live or it'll be a video whatever you want

put it out

bee it remains the case that many people use russia as some sort of straw man or like like a fear mongering scapegoat you know

people appoint russia russia russia russia fine

ok

t we don't know

there are actually some things russia does pre pretty weird you know

like what

tell me what's weird and out of the ordinary

key emphasis on out of the ordinance

this is most of us's

like russia's at fault for being in its own independent polarity and having its own

interests

that are not america's interests

i want to know what's so weird about

fact that americans whine about election interference when russians post online

it's almost like the problem

people like osh have with russia is that russia exists and russia is in some colony of

america

russia does exist

russians do exist

russia's history exists russian civilization exists

and you seem to be really upset about the fact that other polarities exist beyond the continuity that culminates in america

china and russia exist

and you seem to be really upset about

really upset about that they exist beyond the liberal west

there's a world beyond the liberal west

the majority of humanity

seems like you have an exterminationist attitude toward this majority

and you fuck and hate

you have hatred in

bitterness in your heart towards the majority of humanity for being outside of your enlightened liberal west

and even the people in your own fucking country

it didn't make matters worse

fact that americans whine about elections interference when russians post online

while they themselves commit monstrous election interference

we all know that but americans don't only do that they just bomb the shit out of countries and fuck everything up

faucs it's disgusting to me disgusting and sick to my stomach

that an american

is spending their time

talking shit about russia when their own fucking country is leading a trail of carnage and havoc across the entire world and still is to this day

why don't you focus and stay on your own fuck in lane wash

how about that

because you got some businesses sort out as an america

you do

fact that americans

washes functional literate not sense of reading

he seems like a fucking idiot to me

this is something wash in the state department share

made that other countries aren't colonized by the us

course gota go as see later quindy glad to have you here

who says that wash is in the cia

i want to credit hi

thatm

america created both china and russia as enemies

as enemies but they didn't create those countries

countries i don't know what we're saying

i wouldon't even say's a llliterate he's genuinely malicious and manipulative

well if he wants to debate us he wants to debate me

the jeti tricks don't work on me

because i'm a city

guys don't be

sed we

ok

and

we

you know i'm crme

mentioning other countries when talking about politics is bad

america is the only country that exists

oh ok so we have a vo supporter and chad our first one saw prolet

sw proulette

thank you so much

for being the only but herd guy in chat

who's defending boss

you've been the on you're the only one where the bass to say anything

but just to explain to you how fucking stupid your comments is

we mention countries all the time

what we don't do is get into the business of other countries and speak about who we support and who we don't support

a in other countries

when you have business in your own fucking country to

no i'm not a vow supporter

ok but which is if what you're saying is

that

i don't know what you're saying

ok so should i apologize i was being dumb on purpose

ok i'm sry

my

we just we don't have the haters and shat

i'm sorry i'm sorry for jumping on you what

where are

you know where are these people

i think he's taking the

if

ok that's fine i'm sorry

sorry

don't apologize man don't

but

the internet's a vicious place you know

which is demonstrably true trump does a lot

shady deal

i love hearing him talking about election interference

like the us you we know man we know it's so obvious

it's like you know it's a joke you have to bring it up everyone knows america

has always done this

the america has always done this

you know

but to preface myself and i'll be triggered

yes you can talk about other countries

but you always have to remember that when you're talking about other countries you're talking about it from the perspective of your country

and

when we talk about china we talk about china in the context that we want to learn from china

we want to learn from china for the american com

and that's basically how we as

as far as the american members of infraredic

s

and we are an american focus show more or less weere we speak english

i

hi infrared i seeen on kd stream

what's up and t f yeah i was in caleb stdream as a chatter

because i actually like caleb in his ream is actually very informative

the thing he mentioned about hamilton versus jefferson was very interesting

so he's really good at

being education

like the whole russia rigged the election taken as a kind of joke like

who should co find a troll for

i've never found a troll i found one guy

who

was really who calls infrared the liars and they've never shown up again

ny was china not modern china

no i'm saying modern china

n i see the

russia did want trump to win it's pretty clear if you tae a look at trump's

the whole world want to trump to win i'm not going to lie you guys about that

including african countries

whole world want to trump to win

why because trump

was saying america' is going to mind its own business

you want to know what people in the world want

america to fuck off

trump was promising

and

the thing the people

that other countries hate the most

are the american deep state liberal

and they're the enemies of humanity

came

so

everyone wanted trump to win

everyone did i've never voted an election

never voted

never will probably

outside the context of an organization which i'm not in right

but

i've n i've never voted individually you can watch our video about

but

part of me and you can you can

clip me and say oh look he's a nleuses a fascist

part of me kind of did want trump to win

deep down inside

no i never actually at that time

itdmitted it but

part of me did want to see him when

you know

comrade trump

that's what people call him

i'm going to get i'm giving it to you guys straight

you know

whoever's telling you otherwise is lying to you

that's the truth

cuba want to bite into window

well the

for very pragmatic reasons right for very pragmatic reasons

but not for this

existential reason

it's weird how even new channels like yours get smeared

once they learn that you're an anti imperialist

goold call s elections are complete force

every duty and i want to trump to win to watch liberals cuy

i wanted him to win just to see what would happen

just on night he list to go what

want of them to win because i was genuinely

curious

deep down inside i didn't admit it

time

deep down inside i want to

this time around

you can

we took the videos off

we predicted

we felt that biden was going to win

then at the last moment i sai maybe trumple win

he didn't

but i didn't care i didn't have a dog in the race this time at all

how do you feel about p s l

i

i don't have a problem with them but i wouldn't join them myself

personally

pqereston

i

not only that

modern china suppresses any attempted workers organization

ok

pride tunes it's a really complicated conversation

what i will say is that

the

american conception of what workers are and all that kind of stuff is a

i don't want to like do you i got to go to pits

want to derail

but all i will say is that it's a really simplist

thing your saf

really simplilet

also using the election meddling claim

because pride uds believe it or not

workers organization that was independent of the party was also suppressed in maois china

it was also suppressed in the soviet union and it was suppressed in ever

communist state that ever

ever exist

so

workers or it's a really misleading thing you're saying is workers organization you mean

because

workers organization that's going to be outside of the context of the proletarian dictatorship as it

officially instantiated

is going to be a form of political subversion

thk

speaking i'm speaking maybe even as a devil's advocate for socialism with chinese chrea

also using the election meddaling claim israel did more

course israel medals more than

everyone knows that

trump is a secret third world

secret or not it's kind of objectively

result

i

we saw what happen if trump won nothing would change and he was still maintain frealism

yet but no new wars were started

trump fumbled the bag with a coed response among other

i know

and

in the chinese government capitalist run for government

projects are not going to debate about china

oam

we'll do another strey

if not for covert he would be president

i think so i don't know

interesting

presidency that he did seem to have some sort of but butdy thing going on with putin

in what way was he but bodies with putin

seems to me that trump throughout

course of his election campaign

expressed sums

admiration

putin to some extent

many people admire put

he's a

he's one of the world's most prominent statesman and most prominent

h

celebrity statesman in the entire world

you have a diversity of people who

peop

putin is admired

africa to lantin america

he's a

and yes e'urope in america too

a lot of people admire put

different reason

does that make him a but body

aright

i want you guys to know something that i'm embarrassed

because people like os for the reason why americans are the laughing stock with

calling putin and trump what

based on what evidence

tell me what the evidence for that

you can maybe say that about putin in g

putin g were friends

and they excluded trump

it seems like trump was really mad about that actually

almost got into one with iran

trump renewed yeah i know i know that

that was all the republican establishment it wasn't the fascist trump

who was doing it was the republican established

and the israel law

trump renewed and strengthen the sanctions on russia

i know but

biting just went to iraq

so trump didn't want to start a new

is what i'm trying to say he

more or less

it would have been less damage

trump

then with hillary

we know that

also pulled out a ton of treaties ok

ok

yes

but he didn't

he didn't do what obama did

during obama and bush's

presidents

can you guys at least admit that

let's be honest to you ok

don't think in these biased terms

think we think like someone outside of america

ok

seems that like time goes on voh gets more and more neoliberal

yeah weill

he's not going to be a leftist in two years

anyone know a good place to learn more about russian politics

russians themselves is a good

i guess the focus groups were saying that they should try to cater las

com misch

that's fine but if you care about people's emensemation in

capital letters why

it's a phrase do don't phrase my

national sovereignty you want to support modern china well debate about china in the stream ok

a debate about china in another stream that's w i wanted to say

that's fine but

we can debate about china of the stream

can

getting my g books

yeah i wish

i don't think the uus can is sue wars without going for the

and the reason for that is because potent is

i don't know what that eugenics gun

seems like hillary was explicitly more interventionist

from

trump said he wants to leave the sandy place of death

there's nothing there

hillary is a intervention

yeah i would say putin is probably the most effective state actor

currently alive

as a far right autic

i don't have to react to everything you want because this's jus not true

mm

isn't she an effective state actor

crag what is a state actor you mean as an individual

putin has been funding far right groups in

i think voss doesn't understand how states work

putin isn't

funding anyone

different polarities based on their different geopolitical interests are going to

they're the money that they're

allocating for foreign interest whatever they're doing is going to find its way in a diversity of

different groups and

people

so that doesn't mean putin some mastermind puppet master

think you really just don't understand how states

wash especially because russia's inheriting the post soviet infrastructure

it's not some

master plan of some spider web if you think that way

you're giving even russia itself a little bit of more credit

you know every state is very bureaucratic and

this money

is dispersed in arguably chaotic ways

i you know anything about statehood you know what i'm talking about

z is just a dengist

well word

i don't i don't agree with that term dengs

pritums can you just

wait till another stream

let's just not get into it now ok

drop it

come to another come by next stream next stream i promise you will debate about

standard unless boss responds and me to get into

stanard imo

politicians as do the nexton strategy advocating carpon bombing

where's he getting this information

only problem trump

it's well known yet russia is funding a lot of different

people

so does america

i get i

be brazil and china do too in the european union sure as all does

everyone does it it's not's not out of the ordinary you know the only difference is that russia is rebellious against american union polarity

and so is infrared

at least ideologically

only problem with trump is that he pulled out of the clear skies agreement

nuclear war

is not going to happen under trual

i'm responding to other people on the streem

okay guy shut up what china okay

focus on this countries all around the world

everyone

ok

stop debating much china we're going to have a china stream another time in fact if you take a look at many of the fascist parties like in say romania or hungary or us today features both the foreig and forar

yeah i know because russia today is not

fascist

just against american uni polarity

by the way marx was engaging with a bunch of other

marx was engaging with a diversity of different thinkers and you know interesting ideas and

in the nineteenth century things were way more ambiguous than it is now

because we have the black mil of fashion

no

you don't label people first and then hear their ideas you hear their ideas and then

if you need to label them afterwards label them

right

why are why are you so fanatically idiological like this liberal

puritan

free

doesn't make any sense to me

r t is platforming people that they feel are and roughly anti establishment out of the mainstream not otherwise being platformed

i

people who are

directly in this vulgar way like alexy navali talking about immigrants

as people who need to

exterminated i doubt ar t is going to be platforming them

just not a basic human sense and decency it's not because of medeological labels though it's because of

how people are presenting themselves

there's a lot of libertarians

what's off the cuff

i

you know libertarians

they say a lot of if you didn't know the idiological label they were coming from

they say a lot interesting things

you know if you didn't

label alex jones with an etological label

decade ago

i bet a lot of you in the chat if you were thinking clear minded

you would agree with a lot of the things he was saying

just idiological labels cloud people's ability to

form coheren

rational judge

call a little bit of the teamstream after a hum's s becoming more and more little takes

because he doesn't actually self educate himself in any way it's the

thing about russian media is that

they would not actually feature a bona fide nazi simply because of

well

they also wouldn't do it because they do have standards

poland

you'll find that they have pretty significant ties to putin's government

and the reason for that is wycd doesn't want to be the only facting that they have

they romania fascist parties like in say romania or hungary or poland guys i want to give you some context

if what he's saying is true and i can't confirm or deny because i genuinely don't know

first of all poland romania and

hungry

i don't know about romania i should know because

water he's our guy

but

hungary and poland are led by

far right

government

but geopolitically speaking

their nato

allied countries

russia is funding fascist groups in those countries

because they want to get nato off their back because fuck in nato was on their doorstep

so

they don't actually care about the etiology and it's not really their business russia's business is russia's business

unless you're an exterminationist nato supporter who wants to annihilate the russian people in the russian civilization

you would agree that russia' is looking out for its interests in the most pragmatic way possible

you can't really blame them or hold them to fault for

on

but it's really interesting how h fucking hypocritical wasahes

when it comes to things like ukraine

america explicitly supports ukrainian nazism

and these people are directly nazis

i bet you i bet you i bet you

poland and

fuck and hungry

those fascists

sh is talking about are not explicitly pro

probably not

but in ukraine they are

and the u s supports them the s is the only country that in sign

the russian led

condemnation of nazism

m

sorry in't know the terms charter in the un

why is that

wouldn't everyone want to just condemn nazism because the u s knows that those nazis are running around in fucking ukraine

that's why

people their funding

libertarian sound incoherent because don't have a basis in reality just like liberalism

know sometimes libertarians like ron paul those people they did say some interesting things

i

i have a playlist that goes to liberal political ideology

wy

visagrad

explain

poland government is probably the most pro american government there is in europe yeah

so

to if russia is supporting

insurgent movements in those countries

probably because they want to get nato off the fuck and back and not because they care about spreading fascist idiology

twich reams are a live waste

russian liberalism is contradictory to american liberalism

everything's coner

ukraine us with only countries not signed other ok guys we got really got to do this i got to wrap this up

i got to go really soon and you'll find that they have pretty significant ties to putin's government

and the reason for that is of course because putin doesn't want to be the only fascist in town he want

is that true vah is it because pun ont doesn't want to be the only fascist in town or is it because russia is looking out for its basic geopolitical interests in the most pragmatic way

is it really idology a because if is idiology why is that russia also supported elements of seriesa and greece

another far left group

which one is it is it because fact what a stupid idealistic fucking analysis do

call yourself a

socialist and

pretend to be adjacent to marx in some way

and yet you you

filter everything through lens of terms

you read online

do you really think putin cares about your read it political spectrum or what

dude stop embarrassing yourself

one's buddies to chill out with and

we all you know i get it we all need friends

but that's like a real thing

but i need

thiss a grad is a military contractor between poland sheki hungary and other countries yeah and

to vos fascism means hates

people b

you to understand that this is a real thing

he funds far left groups too yes he does i'm going to get

yes he does yes he does caause

i said he wanted he didn't want to be only fascist in town but what is he going to say now to that

the goal

that putin seems to have

is to destabilize

western democracy more termscracy western democracy more terms no materialist analysis no geopolitical analysis

nothing

more terms more idological arei ferry abstraction

yes

western liberal democracy

far right civic nationalism

souck them

how many more terms do we need

and

can you just admit that russia is a different polarity than the american polarity in the european polarity

has a different history has a diferent

polar continuity

and its interest

conflict with

american unipolar he geminy for historical complicated reasons we're not going to get to in the stream

can you just fucking admit the simple thing

sead of

pulling all these terms out of a fuck and hat

generally speaking

the best way to destabilize a democracy

is to make sure that the radical group

a democracy

which democracy was

which democracy

why don't i go ahead and say russia' is more democratic than the uus

russia is more democratic than the u s

i bet you my balls

that within the twenty year timespan of putin's reign

he has been far more popular

among the russian people

then american congress for example

democracy isn't only defined in the western liberal sense of premising political

power

by elections

lock doesn't premise the greek word democracy democracy means ruled by the people

the manner by which that rule is expressed

can vary

and actually does very

that's why china is more democratic than the u s look it up

within those countries

or

well supplied and well funded

why do you define the west as democracy is my question

is the west's history defined by democracy or is it defined by colonialism imperialism

cetera et cetera etcetera

why is it defined by democracy

i don't understand why is that

you do you think the west is in the position it is not geopolitically

because it's democratic

according to you it's democratic

i beg to forgon you

i beg to fucking differ that the west is democra

europe's the debt enlighten democracy in the rest of the world's what oss

so you have

what are you saying dude you sound like a

you sound like a fuck a nazi dude

what's up with this explicit western chauvinism here

have the far right groups true but far left

li weral democracyes real democracy

counter leftist exist to destroy any

never vosch acts like

the s is a legitimate democracy exposes himself

groups do in their own way destabilize liberal democracies

this is one of the

reasons what

but i thought it was because putin's the only fascist in town

i

and i could catch a lot of flack for this

i don't think it's acceptable to push for socialism in the united states in a way which immediately advocates for or bolsters the power of the republican

ok guys i mean

there you go i i

i don't know what else to say

he just said it

well

you know i kind of just want to address that pragmatic point

i think that's a stupid focking thing anywa

beyond that how hilarious what you just said was

it's also fucking stupid because

the republican and right wing are calling you communists anyway

ok

they called biden in kamala a socialist wash

tod those people call

and you can see all that they actually won

yeah they won

they won the white suburbs

at the expense of the working class your

they're going to win again we'll see stay tun

i

they're going to call you that anyway though

you know

if you want to win the people

i guess you shouldn't have you should care about that

if you don't and you want to be biden comm and when those white suburbs

and have everyone else be apathetic and not participating in your democracy

yeah yeah you should you should just go ahead and

guess adopt that strategy

because you don't have to care what people think

me and the boys posted kll a mop at thero pool

they like him cause he's edgy apparently

weeks later no social characteristics ne

bosnings rushes single handedly

yeah

party

i don't like accelerationism to that effect

because in reality it seems like all we're really doing or undermining institutions we could take advantage of to

institutions you can take advantage of

institutions you can take advantage of

you're undermining institutions

and therefore

you shouldn't be a leftist because you're going to undermine the democratic institutions

okay

okay

is this an anarchist this is an anarchist right

you're going to undermine the institutions

so when you're talking about patriarchy and sexism and racism and

all of those things

those aren't institutionally instantiated those aren't based

and entrenched

materially in the institutions

when you call yourself a leftist

aren't you

isn't the object of your critique the fucking institutions

voh says that he's an anarcho cynicalist a market socialist and a marxist at the same time

no anarchists in history i don't care what they were calling themselves

besides chomsky maybe

shills for institutions

yet chomsky's full of shit

no

longer an anarchist as of the hakim

marx post paris commun said destroy and build new ones

what subject car

um

it's difficult to imagine if you never got sucked in

he's defending institutions look if you have any kind of critique of society

institutional collapse or transformation

and by means of collapse its the only way institutions have ever been transformed

in the bedman it doesn't get more explicit than this guys doesn't get more explicit than this benefit of a group with way worse aims

than than we have

you need to be careful about that stuff in reality

because everything is de fined in terms of end goal aims and not material

orientations and tendencies in actual concrete reality

as a socialist trying to

you're not a socialist was

prove your country

is kind of like

its it's kind of like

here's some thing i want to emphasize about accelerationism

trying to improve your country

is kind of

okay

accelerationsm doesn't actually mean you want to voluntarily make things worse

acceleration ism actually means

that you recognize

things will inevitably get worse and there's actually nothing you can fuck and do about

therefore you should somehow make peace and adjust accordingly to that fact

i want you guys to take that away at least

accelerationsm doesn't mean voluntarily

forcing bad things to happen

means being at peace with the inevitability that bad things will happen

and if you want my two cents

leftist

people who are debating about accelerationism in the first place

are not decisive in reality so yes they should be acceleration is in that sense

because they're not able to you you voluntarily can't do shit

sorry to say that

you can't

nothing is better by didn't didn't win because

radical left to supported him or not

bit and wipe his ass with wipes his ass with

radicalism

ok

no one cares about radical leftist in ama

they dore not decisive they don't matter

nothing as said as defending liberal institutions

i like

it it's kind of like

i'm trying to think of a really comparable example here ok it's

it's kind of like

trying to implement

it's trying to throw a revolution

in a country wehle it's like under attack from like a demon horde outside

vos jus called russia a demon hoarde

and he used the word hort

am i crazy guys or what

like' i'm not even shocked

the ng he didn't say mongolicord but it's the same thing he called them a hord

a horde

guys he called them a horse

ok

can i explain to you what that means

it means that

people in western countries who are instanced in liberal institutions those are sovereign liberal individuals

but in countries like russia and china

they do not

see the individual as the metaphysical absolute

of

as the unit of the policy

i

so this is why western chauvinis

some

the nineteenth century

colonialism probably even before that

all the way through german nazism referred to asian peoples and russian peoples and eastern european peoples even

as hordes

the reason there are hordes

is because in these countries institutions do not premise

the sovereign individual

as the metaphysical absolute of state

that's why they call them horts so this is the nazi dog whistle washes

he's giving us

yeah is you ot of court

i don't mean to be like the cancel culture police i never like being that guy

but

it's quite strange it's at least

interesting he used that word

ok you know

you you want to fix the country the country's far

but you don't want to do it in a way but

in order to view the country in

in that wave wash you have to actually

havey correct

practical understanding of where you are right now

and what is within the practical sphere of your actual concrete and material intervention

you can't abstractly decide

first

what you want to do and how you want to implement it and then only then

think about all that all we have to worry about is how we get there

no you have to actually

know where you are right now

and only from a concrete material understanding of your finite relationship to politics

from your subjective pronunce position of enunciation

as well as the objective one

can you then form some kind of

vision of

what

to do

right

you can't first create an abstract scenario of

what should be done

and then

think in this american pragmatic way all we have to do is

find a way to do it we know what we want we have to find a way to do it

a lot of leftist make this mistake to

no

no you need to know what is objective in material you had to a scrrect sense of being first

then you can

do that

don't

don't be an american pragmatic dogmatist

lot of communists think that

we we i want communism how do we realize it

very american

a

narrow american pragmatism

literally every third world infrared

will immediately go over washs head

osh will debate small channels

try i'm not going to try

you know i'm just

making his video

that causes it to be susceptible to being overrun by demon hordes because

then the whole thing turns and overrun by demon horsees

the some fuck up nitan

plolitical situation that only a portion of my audience

probably a large portion

will enjoy

at

when we marxists are talking about are you scared no i'm not i'm saying i'm not going to go ask was wash can we debate you

fuck him right he said

ask us to would challenge we're making this video so if he wants to debate

we're putting it out there

but guys i

yeah do i have to explain it to you like the

the meaning of what he's saying here and

we have to explain to the long history of

in light in liberal individuals

who look down upon the great majority of humanity as demon hoards who are going to overrun them

loote them and take their privileges away

and i

overrun their special snowflake individuality

because that's just about how you sum up every fucking history

revolutionary experience

known to mankind

to day

that's always how it's been

always been a small special institutionalized elite

fearing the great masses are going to devour and swallow

even the germans would

create their maps in such a way that it appeared

that that

they would

make it vertically so that russia was on top

seem like

she's going to press down upon you and overrun you

are special german aaryan civilized individuals

the russian demon horde is going to come the asiatic jewish bolsevixs are going to come

and overrun us

but great a great many people won't so yeah

you need to be careful about that sort of thing

i think you need to be careful because

in this day and age we can get cancered or anything shouldn't it

shouldn't you at least s to get cancelled for this

russia's

i mean i'm not a cancell type of guy

but

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say yes boss you're being

directly racist you know

in the chat maybe you can disagree with me i don't know is that unfair or no

is is it fair to say he's just being racist right now wh he's talking about demon wards

asiatic demon hoardes

overrunning liberal democracy

that sounds racist to me maybe i don't know racism is

or putins i should say efforts to destabilize liberal democracies have been fairly

destabilize liberal democracies

when madeline albright said that it was worth it

five hundred thousand

iraqi children have to starve for sanctions

i don't know what meaning of liberal democracy you have left

maybe i'm just coming from a radically different humanity than you

i myself come from an arab background so maybe i'm part of that demon hord you're talking about and i just don't understand what you mean

when you talk about the wal democracy

when i hear your words wash i hear the carnage and chaos and genocide and death

actually defines

history

you're a liberal democracy

i'm thinking about what it actually means and you're thinking about terms

but

i can't help but wonder if you're just clueless

or you yourself are aware of the aggression and chauvinism behind your word

but either way it makes you look like a massive pussy

and every time you use the word destabilizing liberal democracy

i can't help

but see

never i can say

too vgar

something in your mouth

it's not of your own

someone's something in your mouth

that's not of your own

and that someone

happens to be

the oli western liberal oligarchy

financ yars

wall street institutions

and

billionaires

the west

sick i'm not going to say im i'm not

successful

in certain instances which is why i'm generally supportive

of foreign policy which curtails the ability of putin to engage in that sort of behavior

you're supportive you cannot be supportied aesn't fucking matter of

no one cares about

do you feel powerful is my question

supporting biden and

supporting the foreign policy

it make you feel powerful

supporting just the status quo

because no one cares you know you

whether you support or not will make no practical difference

no one cares about your support

dear

it makes it makes who are you right it makes it seem like

oh yeah all this stuff is happening guy on stream because vosh approved of it i wasoh didn't approve of it

we would be able to actually topple them and stop them from doing

no you wouldn't

whenever you're just

supporting the status quo blindly and it doesn't actually make a fucking difference what your position is

that sounds like a fucking puss es trying to dig right o of someone else

power

for you accuse us of doing that with regard to china and other countries

we don't

we objected we don't

all we say about china is that we want to learn from china

we never say

that

we support

what the chinese government is doing who are we to support them or not support

we don't matter

we don't overestimate our significance

he's a classic chauvinist

see it all the time

course he is

he streams to feed this

he's okay

cages are still

and he has far more in common with chobos groups like the proud boys and he doesn't any social

he definitely does just in time

b is saying he agrees with us hegemonic

us foreign policy

your

before the president

or president trump came into but i'm just trying to think about

how do these people main

yeah

they're leftist

socialist

bred to

very strange the office we had sanctions on russia

that actually like

strangled them quite a bit and made a

strangled

them

strangle them

strangled the hordes right the demonicc hords

starve them maybe

strangled them

right is that you're looking for

because they're demonic coors youet to kill them in their nest

forre they hatch and overrun you because you're a special sovereign liberal individual

the mindless asiaticchords

you don't want them to overrun you

thur

difficult for them to engage in that sort of behavior

right you have to punish the russians wasch you're such a big man

you're going to punish the russia

right

that itvice

this guy guys he's the boss of rushia

look at this guy look at his face he's rusha's boss

he's going to punish

he's in charge of rusha

right

that's that's the that's what he's trying to exude and project to his audience

but in reality he's a fuck

poce

and then trump remove those sanctions

like day one basically

comrade trump

because he's buddy buddy with putin

is that is it because he's buddy boddy with putin is that what the reason

or was it because

fum

objectively assessed what a fucking

clownish position america is in the world

fact

american uni polarity is dying

so trump was trying a different approach

he tried to save american uni pularity he

bydn't trying to do it he's not going to be able to either

because american youun know polarity is one

sorry

late

but

read to

thank

the wave of the wind

finm an acceleration is that just means i've made peace with the fact

that

liberal democracy

the worald democracy

american uni polarity

the

china is on the rise

living in a

multipolar i post liberal universe in world

and i've long made peace with that

not only have i made peace with

i'm a part of the infrared is part of that fact

part of that tendency part of that move

we

we bear witness to

i'm not worried about bretd

just not

so the threat yet remains

i guess what i'm getting at right now is that russia is complicated

and

be so nuanced and

tuned to the complications of our

i only wish you applied the same thing

to your own fucking country

you actually live in

and that

there's not really like a good guy in this situation but we need to be in

who's we

credibly careful who's we and what's the practical fuck indifference

about the extent to which foreign actors are capable of spreading fascism around the globe that's

but you just said they fought they fund

far left people

so which one is it oh what you're trying to say is that they're funding far left people toward the ultimate agenda of

fascism with a capital f

with's purpl and yellow

glad to see hear men

i think that's your argument right that's going you want to make

my question is what evidence do you have of a

there is no evidence

there's no evidence putin's a fascist that's is endl

it's much more reasonable to just assume that russia is looking out for its own interests

if you want to define russia's unique

civilization and its unique

polarity and its unique interest in the world

as the interests of fascism

sounds like you're just a but hurt anglo liberal dogmatist

can't accept the fact

that history doesn't end

with the end

of anglo

my dirney

it's incredibly important

a this is something that i plan to look into more in the near future

please look into a voce the world needs

look into it please

because i want to be able to give i guess a more informed take on this issue

so far i just remember the

the demond accords

i don't i don't really

you know it doesn't really matter to what extent you're informed wash

i think you've actually revealed

exact

a

you are

nazi adjacent

is that fair to say or civic nationalists adjacent

you're a western chauvinist liberal chauvinist

you think of the majority of living people on this world as demonic hordes

because the majority of the people in this planet earth are

sick and sick and tired of american unipolar

or i'm sorry liberal democracy

ruling over them

and i

just seems to me that wash you're just like any other typical read it chauvinist

but you're disguising yourself

with left wing and socialistic

terminology

i don't know why i don't know i think because to be explicitly right wing or

explicitly are slash nellliberal

i

probably would make you less woke

and less acceptable into these communities you're probably preying on

endless and fresh supply of young

you know

naive followers that you seem to be taking advantage of

i not trying to make any accusations but that's the vible

i'm getting

is that

you're taking advantage of a trend

of the zoomer you

i am glad that there are so many people who seem to be comfortable standing up to putin

these protests

well in two thousand and eleven you had

protests so

i'm not sure what' so new about that

i think the more i

pressing question is what this actually amounts to you had large protess in two thousand

eleventh two thousand and thirteen

but putin was still there

so the question is who is the silent majority maybe we're not seen

or is there a silent majority is the whole majority coming out against boot

i'm going to be honest i couldn't tell you guys

ask questions and they'll tell you

i couldn't tell you personally

i

but never forget about the silent majority

gests led to

it's that would it's almost as naive as saying that the george

george floyd protests in america

and

mean that it's to your you know

there's the other half of the countries against

no

so what if that's the case in russia to

and we're just not seeing that side of the

you know

mass arrests this is one of the greatest civic uprisings we've seen in russia

in years

right in years

i mean

but that's not

you know

you didn't say decades or you didn't say centuries you said years

h i don't know what's so impressive about that though

but maybe this is really significant

you know probably significant but

and that's

but i don't i seeing crowds of people is not enough to convince me of that

you know so

something i mean that in a country like that that means a lot in a country like what

you just admitted that years ago the same thing was happening so a country like what

yes it's not the same as america they don't

it's not a liberal democracy like america but

i don't know why you're getting this idea that

russians have lived under the dominion of

you know

is it

i

foughtlessly and his drones who are just

i don't think you understand anything about rush of osh i just don't

country like that what about your country right

an't you know

that's why it's a that's why it's an issue when you step out of your own lane

because you

make assumptions about other countries

while not being sufficiently attentive to your own issues in your own problems

m

because it's just a matter of perspective

judging america and judging russia is just a matter of perspective

from a certain perspective america looks a lot worse than russ

from a certain perspective you have washs perspective on russia

for the majority of the world's perspective america' is worse than russia

yeah

you should also clarify your rushagate position

what

there's nothing to clarify

the the belief that russia made a concert is right about that there is no to if there is nothing to clarify i mean

he's

anti russian races

thatk

i guess i will finish the video but i want to have some closing remarks before i

i in the stream dvance the likelihood of donald trump winning back in twenty sixteen is a fact that's a

m

okay

if i was a commenter

and i had an infinitestimally small

percent of advancing the

election of donald trump

that would also be

fact

right as he's saying so he's using very vague words

that are repeated by m s m equally vaguely

i

that don't actually amount to what they're implying

what he's implying is that russia was somehow decisive

there's no evidence russia was actually decisive

thing that happened

that's

yeah that's that's inarguable

there are a lot of left populists who say that russia gate isn't real

because it's not real

it's not really

thank

it's not

it's complete psychosis

sorry

because they don't like the fact that democrats bring it up a lot

which is idiot

no it's because

we have brains when our brains are not

in a

in the jar of the establishment we have our own

ability to think independently

and we're not fanatically turning on c n n and just accepting everything the mainstream media is telling

because those of us have

who have been in this

more than

five years at least

are aware that the mainstream media has continually lied

over and over again not only through the course of history

but over the course of recent memory

but vosh

want you to forgive

we left populace

are the ones trying to

make you guys remember

to

don't trust the media

as simple as that

if they haven't

discerned your trust by now

i don't know what it takes for them

on it

to

to do that

don't

got it

like you're got to what so things aren't real when they're real because democrats also believe they're real

no

because they're not real objectively and everyone can see that the democrats psychotic idiological

war mongering and russia mongering

is based in thin air

and the only evidence you need of the fact that it's based in thin air

is that

each object is its own inertia

there's nothing solid there's nothing concrete

it's the inertia itself

like a stock market bubble

that's why it's they're so fanatical

about

if it were the other way around

they had anything concrete and solid

something would have already been

i wouldn't be surprised though

s messaes

why wouldn't russia try to mess with u s elections

how will it mess with anything is my question

if

russia is funding this

i don't want se is were disin formation

information that is

toward donald trump

maybe they were

but

is thisc the decisive factor in changing the election

this is what happens when you

you cut

from the heart of you cut a piece of being apart

and it's the dea quintessential definition of paranoia

ok

russia is part of the world

and yes russia's interest did correspond to the breakdown of the american establishment

but you can't just cut off one aspect of being and use it as your scapegoat it's almost like anti semitism

you can't just do that and say oh with russia is the problem if it weren't for russia existing everything would be fine

but russia is part of the whole of being

everything fits together

ok this is what it means to have a dialectical view russia's part of the world

everything fits together

you can't have your cake and eat it too and just say

well if russia was gone

it'd be fine but russia's part of the world it has a meaning and significance in this world

you have to make peace and come to terms with

spent a lot of money to get him in on had yeah the u s was responsible for yeltsing

that's

that's way more arguable than

the resciving response

for trump

i'm know that since r tm

n it's not there are kinds of interferences elections ok

b'll come the fuck on

yow

that doesn't mean the democrats get to blame hillary clinton's loss on russia

fuck hillary clinton why not

my question is why not based on what you've already set up why not

then she was a terrible candidate

b

why why based on what you've already set up why not

that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about some of the stuff

who'se we

some of the russian claims were bit far fetched though welln it's a good thing i'm not endorsing every claim ever made about russia that's convenient

and i don't know where it begins and where it ends

boston maybe should clarify

where does it begin and then

you don't have to endorce everyone

but that means that in the future when we find out some of these claims are based on nothing wash can say we i wasn'tpalking about that when i was talking about the super vague one that means nothing

interference only the fact that they interfered

what does interfere mean

tell me what that means concrete

does it mean that they

they rigg the elections for example because that's what it sounds like to most people

when you say

did russian

actors

comments in favor of

trump on the open internet that anyone on the fucking world can do

maybe they did

is that

is that the bar of interference now

you know it's very strange

you know like fuck

if we were to distance ourselves from every perspective because liberals believed in it too then we might as well abandon democracy entirely

o you probably should a beendon democracy if you're actually a communist if that's what oss means by democracy liberal democracy

you don't actually have to abandon it the world has abandoned it

so the question is this

since the world has moved beyond

the rural democracy objectively

question is this

are you going to stand behind the rabid

decaying and fanatical american deep state

in trying to save itself from the inevitable confrontation that awaits it

or will you make peace

with the winds of history

and accept

that socialism with try chinese characteristics has definitively outmoted and surpassed western liberal democracy

and so has socialism in general from the twentieth century

of which russia is an inheritaned

of soviet

the soviet union

and

politically and also even into minor extent economic

the world has moved beyond liberal democracy

do you stand with the people of the world

or do you stand with a small minority of fanatical psychotic elites

who want to bring the whole world down with

people of the world

want to get on with what

um

now

hillary should have won well hillary won the popular vote so hillar yeah yeah i do think that youyeah i do believe so

i'm curious

i mean you guys all know that if it was the reverse and trump won the popular vote

liberals

not be making the argument

they would be saying wll the sactity of our electoral college

that's how you know

it's all bullshit

it's all a fucking

yeah you guys know

that's what some leftists do yes some leftists do do them anyway long story showed it's compliment complicated and

it's so weird

like

the gkuy doesn't have a perspective outside of m sm

or the world maybe it's just because like uh i'm part of the hoard because like i'm arab right because instinctually i don't

i smell buhion

smell it from a mile away

maybe it's like my

maybe it's just like i was born that way you know

i don't know

and god speed to the protest

i wish i could make i could get inside the mind of like a red it caup

whose mind is just completely enthrall

by the status quo

because i just don't know what it's like to think

i just don't i don't understand

i don't understand what it means to be this kind of

creature

how do people buy into the mainstream with this easel

they were saying something similar about bernie if you won the popular vote

you were born that way you highs folk

i think maybe that is the case you know because i'm part of the demonic hord

and i was implanted in this country

to overwhelm the vauschian

read it liberals

besters and

and yeah

hopefully russia no longer at least at some point the near future no longer remains

a and

a beacon for fascist advocacy the world round

what okay

and novale is not a fascist heeachs a civic nationalist got it

and the ukrainian nazis are just civic nationalists

and the explicit nazis of eastern europe who are anti russia

b the way that is a thing

they're just civic nationalists

ok here's my concluding remarks i actually have to go to fucking bed

way past

dinner

time

bed time

on

i want to talk

quickly about the whole nosebl thing

i find it curious

that

thinkers like alexander dougan

and these this mill you of

nosbales i guess he doesn't really callm somef a nosbll anymore

for all of their reactionary views they're not racist

dugan opposes

i

anglo racism

he opposes racism in general

he's very explicit about that

the russia adjacent

right

or nationalists

are also completely against racism

it doesn't seem like to me

that right wing politics is the decisive factor in how bred to

is assessing their relationship

and view of countries like russia

and us

nosbels as they like to call them

it seems to me that there's a more fundamental civilizational struggle that's going on

ah

concerning the decla or historical struggle

between the decline of america and the rise of china

those of us who represent

the world's majority

are considered

nledgbles and fascists but it seems to me that

fascism is just selectively being used by these people to refer to anything that

corresponds to the decline

of the west

chauvinistic supremacy over the world

you can do hul hoops and jumping jacks about liberal democracy all you want

concretely speaking what you're actually talking about is the reign of global white supremacy and colonialism

and if you want to object to the fact that

will abstractly and ideally its no but it is

concretely what it means

ok

that's the concrete reality corresponding

i don't know what else to say on this matter

ukrainian nazis are liberal civic national

marxist leninist or their nozbles

does the hypocrisy get any worse than this

's hard to understand if you never get sucked into ben in the sat ofus school bring some difficult com

the regime change offers all sorts of commodify alternaive

ieologies

well guys thanks for tuning in

we're going to keep the stream up

up

stream up

sorry i'm swying my words now

but i've got to get to bed

i'm glad to have you guys

and

there any reliable reads on dougan

sed him himself

if you want to redo

duban's not that interesting

as much as he's hyped up

good night guys thank you so much

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